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| [00:00:26] | Josh_: | so you'd install it, add support for it in the kernel, than add it as a Digital capture card with a corresponding source in 'mythtv-setup' |
| [00:00:50] | syamajala: | do i need a cable box too though? |
| [00:01:33] | Josh_: | syamajala, Not for digital tuners. You'd be limited to what your cableco broadcasts "in the clear" – usually only the "Must Carry" channels |
| [00:02:38] | syamajala: | so what if i have a cable box then? |
| [00:03:06] | Josh_: | syamajala, then that card would do you no good. Is it an HD box? |
| [00:03:44] | syamajala: | well i could connect it to an hd box |
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| [00:05:07] | Josh_: | syamajala, Regardless what cable box you have, the only outputs that Myth and Linux can do anything with are the Component (Blue, Green, Red) RCA jacks, and the Composite (Yellow, White, Red) jacks |
| [00:05:18] | Josh_: | Those are Digital and analog outputs, respectively. |
| [00:06:22] | meshe: | and firewire and coax |
| [00:06:35] | Josh_: | In order to get HD into your Linux PC, your only options are the Component jacks attached to an HD-PVR, or using a digital tune |
| [00:06:48] | wagnerrp: | (or firewire) |
| [00:07:10] | Josh_: | Wouldnt firewire only get you the "must carry" channels? |
| [00:07:37] | Josh_: | ones not flagged, something something. |
| [00:07:45] | syamajala: | hmm |
| [00:07:59] | syamajala: | so what about not using a cable box and using an antenna? |
| [00:08:29] | Josh_: | syamajala, Then you 'd get broadcast channels. Usually the same as the "Must Carry" that you'd also recieve on cable. |
| [00:09:13] | syamajala: | ok |
| [00:09:18] | syamajala: | so maybe this card isn't worth it |
| [00:09:59] | Josh_: | syamajala, it's a cheap way of getting a few HD channels into your Myth box. |
| [00:11:03] | syamajala: | but i would still need another tuner too |
| [00:11:56] | syamajala: | actually i do have an ati tv wonder ve laying around somewhere |
| [00:12:13] | Josh_: | syamajala, You more than likely won't get all the channels you currently recieve on your set-top box with ANY card – analog nor digital. |
| [00:12:57] | Josh_: | Personally, I use a combination of a HD-Homerun, an HVR-1600, and a PVR-150 attached to my STB. |
| [00:13:37] | Josh_: | The channels I *can* get in HD I can pull with the HD-Homerun, otherwise it'll use the standard definition set-top box. |
| [00:13:56] | Josh_: | At least until I can afford an HD-PVR |
| [00:15:14] | syamajala: | so if i just wanted sd channels i could use the tv wonder ve and a cable box? |
| [00:15:29] | syamajala: | i know the ati card works with myth i've used it before |
| [00:15:41] | Josh_: | syamajala, one way or another, I think you can. |
| [00:15:47] | syamajala: | but i only used the composite in |
| [00:15:53] | Josh_: | What kind of inputs does the TV-wonder have? |
| [00:16:08] | Josh_: | S-Video would be your best standard-def connection. |
| [00:18:06] | syamajala: | coax and composite |
| [00:18:16] | Josh_: | Okay, Composite then. |
| [00:21:21] | syamajala: | maybe i'll try it out |
| [00:21:59] | Josh_: | syamajala, You should also be able to get a fair amount of channels with an analog tuner, eg, the PVR-150 |
| [00:22:11] | Josh_: | No set-top box needed. |
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| [00:30:10] | syamajala: | i guess i'll see what i get without a box then with my tv wonder ve |
| [00:30:56] | Josh_: | syamajala, you'd get the same channels with an analog tuner as you would get with an analog TV. |
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| [00:44:12] | syamajala: | so my best bet is to use an analog tuner with a cable box? |
| [00:44:26] | syamajala: | i hooked up the tv wonder ve and just used xawtv to see what i would get |
| [00:44:53] | syamajala: | wasn't much... |
| [00:46:48] | Josh_: | syamajala, you don't need a 'tuner' per se to connect to your cable box. It would probably be the easiest method of connection |
| [00:47:02] | syamajala: | about 16 channels |
| [00:48:45] | Josh_: | eww |
| [00:50:03] | syamajala: | well i already have this card |
| [00:51:05] | Josh_: | As long as it's got linux support, it will do fine for standard def. |
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| [00:57:47] | syamajala: | so i should use composite out for the cable box |
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| [00:59:05] | MaxeyPad: | i've been trying to figure this out...I have set the directories in mythtv where the video files are however when I go into myth I still cannot see the files. How can I force mythtv to pickup these files and index them or do whatever needs to happen |
| [01:00:00] | MaxeyPad: | also what is a really easy to setup remote with mythtv |
| [01:00:17] | Josh_: | MaxeyPad, go into "Watch Videos" and press M, then scan for changes. |
| [01:00:20] | Hiisty: | MaxeyPad: press m and choose scan |
| [01:00:48] | Josh_: | syamajala, Personally, I would. |
| [01:01:03] | Josh_: | syamajala, it's the best form of interconnection you've got. |
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| [01:07:52] | syamajala: | lets see how well this works |
| [01:08:57] | syamajala: | the only downside to this ati card is there is no hardware encoder for recording |
| [01:14:28] | syamajala: | it works ok and it looks good |
| [01:14:51] | Josh_: | Good! Now set up LIRC so you can change channels :) |
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| [01:28:52] | syamajala: | i don't have a remote and i'm probably not going to use myth on this system permanently |
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| [01:47:01] | syamajala: | so now that i understand how it works and stuff i guess i'll order what i need to fix up my core 2 duo system |
| [01:48:36] | syamajala: | it needs a new mb |
| [01:49:02] | syamajala: | i probably won't get that hauppauge card |
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| [02:10:44] | Kanerix: | is it possible to run the initial mythtv backend configuration on a headless system through SSH? When I try, it complains that it can't connect to the X desktop. |
| [02:12:43] | Kanerix: | VNC isn't available |
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| [02:20:01] | crankydillo: | Hi, can anyone tell me how to change the encoding for videos in mytharchive? I haven't been able to do this since upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 and mythtv 0.22. Thanks. |
| [02:23:01] | MaxeyPad: | what are some remotes that are really easy to use with mythtv? |
| [02:26:04] | GreyFoxx: | Just about any are usable, BUT the MCE remotes tend to be really easy to setup |
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| [02:35:21] | sphery: | Kanerix: ssh -Y <hostname> , then run mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [02:36:50] | Kanerix: | I'm ssh'ing from windows... |
| [02:36:55] | Kanerix: | putty |
| [02:37:03] | Kanerix: | sorry about the delayed response |
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| [02:38:36] | Kanerix: | but I take it you have to have a GUI window to configure it no matter what? |
| [02:39:19] | sphery: | Kanerix: yeah |
| [02:39:32] | Kanerix: | That sucks. Alright |
| [02:39:35] | sphery: | cygwin or other X server required |
| [02:39:55] | sphery: | or just boot up an Ubuntu LiveCD |
| [02:40:06] | Kanerix: | actually I do have linux on my laptop... that might work |
| [02:40:13] | sphery: | any X server works |
| [02:40:33] | sphery: | (well, I'm sure there's some min version, but I doubt you could find something old enough to not work :) |
| [02:41:12] | Kanerix: | heh |
| [02:42:07] | Kanerix: | does mythtv do video transcoding? |
| [02:42:23] | sphery: | off-line (not real-time) transcoding, yeah |
| [02:42:29] | sphery: | but not to "usable" formats |
| [02:43:00] | sphery: | i.e. it transcodes for the purpose of cutting commercials or reducing file size, but with an intention to do further playback in Myth |
| [02:43:33] | sphery: | you get either MPEG-2 (if you start with MPEG-2 and use lossless transcoding to cut commercials) or a NuppelVideo container with MPEG-4 or RTJPEG video inside |
| [02:43:52] | sphery: | If you want something else, you'd need to use something else--nuvexport, transcode, ffmpeg, mplayer, ... |
| [02:44:28] | sphery: | Or just buy a 2TB HDD for $139.99 and don't worry about transcoding. ;) |
| [02:44:45] | Kanerix: | heh that's not the problem |
| [02:45:14] | sphery: | for some device, like iphone or whatever playback? |
| [02:45:26] | Kanerix: | I've got a PS3 in the bedroom that I'd like to pass video to. I was (apparently) mislead into believing that mythtv could transcode and serve to the PS3 |
| [02:45:47] | sphery: | I think MythTV can serve as a UPnP server for the PS3 |
| [02:46:13] | Kanerix: | the PS3 has somewhat limited decoding capability, and I have a wide variety of video and audio formats |
| [02:46:18] | sphery: | I know MS forbids playback of any "non-blessed" video in MPEG-2 format through its UPnP server, but I think the PS3 works |
| [02:46:39] | Kanerix: | microsoft? as a server? heh |
| [02:47:20] | sphery: | ah, well, with TV, you only get 2 possible formats--MPEG-2 (for /any/ useful setup) or NUV with MPEG-4/RTJPEG, and no one really gets NUV, anymore, so format's not a problem |
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| [02:47:22] | Kanerix: | my server's running suse 11.1 and it is where I have the video and audio currently stored |
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| [02:47:40] | Kanerix: | ah yeah |
| [02:48:09] | sphery: | yeah, I meant MS's UPnP client won't take MPEG-2 from a non-MS UPnP server. WMP and MCE can transcode MPEG-2 on the fly (given sufficient processor) so they can turn it into MS-approved DRM'ed video |
| [02:48:16] | Kanerix: | if I put the TV card into the server, I would be able to watch live TV (or near enough) on the PS3? |
| [02:48:37] | sphery: | LiveTV and UPnP don't really work, but you could start a recording and watch as it records |
| [02:48:56] | Kanerix: | ah ok |
| [02:49:01] | sphery: | Only problem is that I think currently the UPnP server scan only happens once every 30mins, so you may have to wait a bit... |
| [02:49:12] | sphery: | until then it won't know there's a new recording |
| [02:49:12] | Kanerix: | can you force the scan? |
| [02:49:17] | sphery: | Don't think so |
| [02:49:36] | Kanerix: | ah sucky |
| [02:49:42] | sphery: | it's basically the opposite of the MythVideo video scan--with the opposite problems |
| [02:49:46] | Kanerix: | okeydokey |
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| [02:50:40] | Kanerix: | Maybe something like mediatomb would work better for the videos I've already got then and I can set up mythtv later... |
| [02:50:45] | Kanerix: | thanks mate |
| [02:52:17] | sphery: | MythTV is really designed as an all-integrated media center--versus a media server |
| [02:52:31] | sphery: | so for giving media to non-Myth stuff, other programs may be better |
| [02:52:38] | Kanerix: | aye |
| [02:52:45] | Kanerix: | I guess that wasn't clear to me |
| [02:52:46] | Kanerix: | thanks |
| [02:53:05] | Kanerix: | do you recommend a decent media server, perchance? |
| [02:53:10] | Kanerix: | preferably on linux ;) |
| [02:53:33] | sphery: | I don't know any... I just use Myth (since I just want the TV stuff) |
| [02:54:54] | Kanerix: | yeah I've got TV series and DVDs I've ripped that I'd like to be able to just store on the network and watch as I please |
| [02:55:17] | Kanerix: | physical media is cumbersome and gets lost easily |
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| [03:40:59] | Timmymayes: | I have a 64 bit processor but i am using 32 bit ubuntu do i want to use the i386 or the amd64 packages |
| [03:42:24] | Dassu: | i386 |
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| [03:45:32] | Timmymayes: | thanks |
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| [03:47:06] | Mode for #mythtv-users by irc.freenode.net : +v iamlindoro | |
| [03:48:08] | iamlindoro: | not that you should even be aware of that choice since you should just be apt-getting it |
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| [03:53:17] | Timmymayes: | well |
| [03:53:25] | Timmymayes: | # Christian Marillat's packages (mplayer, lame) |
| [03:53:25] | Timmymayes: | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| [03:53:25] | Timmymayes: | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| [03:53:27] | Timmymayes: | oops |
| [03:53:27] | Timmymayes: | sorry |
| [03:53:38] | iamlindoro: | You shouldn't be using those with ubuntu |
| [03:54:09] | iamlindoro: | You should be using the ubuntu specific ones packages by mythbuntu (Which you can use on any ubuntu install, not just mythbuntu) |
| [03:54:15] | Timmymayes: | oh ok |
| [03:54:26] | Timmymayes: | i couldn't find anything but the mythbuntu |
| [03:54:35] | iamlindoro: | Especially as the mythbuntu guys have finally gotten rid of the horrible broken legacy of the debian packages |
| [03:54:44] | iamlindoro: | the mythbuntu packages are the ones you want |
| [03:54:56] | Timmymayes: | all of them? |
| [03:55:15] | iamlindoro: | just the "mythtv" metapackage |
| [03:55:31] | iamlindoro: | and if you like, mythbuntu-control-center to help you setting it up |
| [03:56:08] | iamlindoro: | ideally you are doing this with apt-get |
| [03:56:15] | iamlindoro: | and not trying to install debs |
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| [03:56:27] | Timmymayes: | using the synaptic package manager |
| [03:56:50] | iamlindoro: | that will do |
| [03:58:14] | Timmymayes: | will i need to configure my hauppauge 2250 seperatly? |
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| [03:58:26] | wagnerrp: | separately from what? |
| [03:58:34] | Timmymayes: | from the mythtv setup |
| [03:58:48] | wagnerrp: | you need to install drivers for it, beyond the v4l-dvb stuff that comes in the kernel |
| [03:59:01] | wagnerrp: | but the only setup you should need to do is just the standard means of adding a card in mythtv-setup |
| [03:59:20] | [R]: | i got a new case for my backend... but it's psu only has a 20 pin connector and my motherboard has a 24pin connector... i just read that it might work... this is a 4 year old p4 style celeron with just 1 hard drive, an hdpvr, and a digital tuner... should i be okay just using the 20 pin connector or should i replace the psu? |
| [03:59:58] | wagnerrp: | best option, just buy a nice new quiet high-efficiency PSU |
| [04:00:08] | wagnerrp: | second option, buy a 20-24-pin adapter |
| [04:00:08] | [R]: | well its a backend for a closet |
| [04:00:11] | [R]: | so i don't care about noise |
| [04:00:23] | wagnerrp: | just splits off the extra 12V/ground lines |
| [04:00:33] | [R]: | this site i'm reading says you can just plug it straight in |
| [04:00:40] | [R]: | and as long as the board doesnt try to draw too much curren,t its ok |
| [04:00:43] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt recommend the latter on a high wattage CPU |
| [04:00:52] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt know about that, never tried |
| [04:01:01] | [R]: | is a p4 style celeron a "high wattage cpu"? |
| [04:01:04] | wagnerrp: | however i do have two machines running with adapter cables |
| [04:01:22] | wagnerrp: | depends on the core and clockrate |
| [04:01:26] | [R]: | 3ghz |
| [04:01:33] | [R]: | if i'm gonna do anything... i'll just replace it with the psu from my desktop |
| [04:01:44] | [R]: | which is going to be out of commision until i replace the ram which is going into my new frontend |
| [04:04:09] | sphery: | The P4 is actually the reason for the inclusion of the extra 4 pins |
| [04:04:45] | wagnerrp: | the later Prescotts anyway, those were space heaters |
| [04:05:22] | [R]: | well i have the seperate 4 pin thingy |
| [04:05:24] | sphery: | oh, wait, the 4-pin connector was P4, the 20-pin main power was extended to 24-pin main power for PCIe |
| [04:05:25] | [R]: | that is for the cpu |
| [04:05:33] | [R]: | well this doenst have pcie |
| [04:05:48] | [R]: | stuff i'm finding on google says it should be fine w/o an adapter |
| [04:05:52] | sphery: | but still, a mobo designed for 24-pin power probably wants 24-pin |
| [04:06:19] | sphery: | http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/c . . . ml#atxmain24 |
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| [04:09:14] | sphery: | anyway, best solution is a PSU with a 24-pin main connector and a 4-pin ATX power connector if that's what the mobo wants. And, if you replace a cheap old non-80-PLUS PSU with an 80 PLUS, you'll likely save enough to cover the cost, anyway (assuming a running-24/7 myth box) |
| [04:09:40] | wagnerrp: | if you live near a Frys, you can pick up a nice one for $20 |
| [04:09:54] | [R]: | i'm not averse to replacing |
| [04:10:00] | [R]: | but if it works... |
| [04:10:10] | [R]: | if it doenst work, i'll just pull the psu from my desktop |
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| [04:14:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you notice that newegg now has 4 AMD 45W procs? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc= |
| [04:14:31] | sphery: | all single cores, though |
| [04:14:46] | wagnerrp: | theyve had 45W SCs for a while |
| [04:15:09] | sphery: | yeah, they had 2 for a long time |
| [04:15:10] | sphery: | now 4 |
| [04:15:17] | sphery: | don't even know which are new, though |
| [04:15:31] | sphery: | think it's the semprons, but I don't remember |
| [04:15:47] | wagnerrp: | meh... i have no desire to ever buy another single core processor |
| [04:15:52] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:15:58] | sphery: | not really worth it |
| [04:16:34] | wagnerrp: | its worked for the last 7 years |
| [04:17:23] | wagnerrp: | no, i take that back... forgot i bought a 3000+ in mid '06 |
| [04:18:22] | luux: | mm.. wouldn't want to go back to 1 proc :( |
| [04:19:33] | luux: | even smartphones are getting multi-core |
| [04:20:12] | ** luux wonders if mythtv is threaded ** | |
| [04:20:36] | wagnerrp: | certainly |
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| [04:28:43] | sidd: | hi, has anyone used rpmfusion myth 0.22 with fedora 11? |
| [04:29:09] | [R]: | do you have an actual question... |
| [04:30:34] | sidd: | [R]: have installed myth on two fedora 11 machines, from rpmfusion. cannot change channels on both of them. |
| [04:30:49] | sidd: | infact, even mythfilldatabase crashes 4 times out of 6. |
| [04:30:53] | sidd: | segmentatino fault. |
| [04:30:56] | [R]: | you're going to have to define "cannot change channels" |
| [04:31:03] | [R]: | if you are getting a crash, you should file a bug report |
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| [04:31:51] | sidd: | [R]: just want to know if it is something i am doing or has it been seen by others so that i can downgrade to myth 0.21 that i have working on one machine |
| [04:32:11] | [R]: | well things should never crash... |
| [04:32:16] | [R]: | so if its crashing, thats bad |
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| [04:33:18] | iamlindoro: | erm... that's how we get 2/3rds bad bug reports |
| [04:34:21] | iamlindoro: | sounds an awful lot like you have old and new Myth libs mixed on the machine... but only a backtrace will tell for sure |
| [04:34:38] | iamlindoro: | well, an ls libmyth* in the right lib dir would tell, too |
| [04:34:47] | iamlindoro: | but a backtrace will be a lot mroe specific if that's not it |
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| [04:35:22] | iamlindoro: | back to the boob tube |
| [04:35:48] | sidd: | [R]: cannot change means mythbackend says "MythSocket(8c47f68:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected." |
| [04:36:07] | sidd: | and myth frontend says something similar for ReadStringList |
| [04:36:25] | sidd: | it only happens when i change channels. the first channel plays fine. |
| [04:36:34] | sidd: | iamlindoro: how do i get a backtrace? |
| [04:36:36] | [R]: | sidd: wow... tahts screwed up |
| [04:37:37] | sidd: | [R]: yup. and it is only happening in the f11+rpmfusion myth 0.22. doesn't happen in F11+compiled myth0.22 or F11+rpmfusion myth0.21 |
| [04:38:08] | sidd: | just downloaded f12. has anyone tried myth on that. if yes, i can go ahead with my installation and save a lot of time |
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| [04:41:37] | wagnerrp: | woo! supposedly fbsd8 added whatever nvidia was complaining about the amd64 not having and preventing official drivers |
| [04:42:07] | Timmymayes: | anyone know the "card type" for a hauppauge 2250? Is it an ivtv mpeg-2 encoder card or an analog recorder |
| [04:42:16] | wagnerrp: | neither |
| [04:42:23] | wagnerrp: | it is two separate DVB tuners |
| [04:42:35] | Timmymayes: | cool |
| [04:42:51] | wagnerrp: | under linux, it will show up as two independent cards |
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| [04:46:38] | Timmymayes: | Frontend ID Could not get card info for card #0 subtyp |
| [04:46:52] | wagnerrp: | did you install the drivers for it? |
| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | thats one of the cards that YOU have to install the drivers |
| [04:47:04] | Timmymayes: | oh ok |
| [04:47:05] | wagnerrp: | your distro will not do it for you |
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| [04:47:53] | wagnerrp: | actually, it seems the drivers went into mercurial in september |
| [04:48:05] | Timmymayes: | what is mercurial |
| [04:48:11] | Casper82: | 2250 is in v4l-dvd now |
| [04:48:13] | wagnerrp: | so if your distro has a recent package for v4l-dvb-hg, it should contain the drivers |
| [04:48:26] | Casper82: | dvb too :) |
| [04:49:26] | Timmymayes: | i do not see that package in the package manager |
| [04:49:32] | Timmymayes: | but there is hg-buildpackage |
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| [04:49:46] | Timmymayes: | and it says its a suite to help with debian packages in mercurial archives |
| [04:50:41] | wagnerrp: | thats not at all what you want |
| [04:50:51] | Timmymayes: | it was the only thing that looked close |
| [04:51:08] | iamlindoro: | What that means is that you will need to compile your driver |
| [04:51:14] | Casper82: | libv4l-0? I'd have to log into my myth machine to verify |
| [04:51:23] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:51:23] | Timmymayes: | i have that |
| [04:51:26] | Timmymayes: | and its already installed |
| [04:51:38] | wagnerrp: | follow the instructions on the site, download the source from the repository, build and install |
| [04:51:45] | Timmymayes: | will do |
| [04:51:47] | wagnerrp: | you will need a viable kernel source tree for that latter bit |
| [04:51:58] | Timmymayes: | i think i am going to actually hold off till this weekend |
| [04:52:05] | wagnerrp: | with a .config that matches the kernel you are currently running |
| [04:52:09] | Timmymayes: | i have a space pc that i'm going to get working as a dedicated box |
| [04:52:12] | Timmymayes: | spare* |
| [04:52:36] | Timmymayes: | i was just kind of probing into it to get an idea of how much work it was going to be |
| [04:53:15] | wagnerrp: | depends on how fluent you speak linux |
| [04:53:21] | Timmymayes: | What i want to do ultimately is have this spare box running mythtv just for recording & file serving purposes and have xbmc as the front end on mine and a roommates pc |
| [04:53:47] | Timmymayes: | i can do must stuff if i have a little direction. Not at the level where i know all the aspects on my own though. |
| [04:53:54] | wagnerrp: | understand that xbmc is currently a very limited frontend for mythtv |
| [04:54:05] | Timmymayes: | in what ways? |
| [04:54:44] | wagnerrp: | you can watch recordings, and you can watch livetv |
| [04:54:51] | wagnerrp: | i do not believe it has any capability for scheduling |
| [04:55:13] | wagnerrp: | and they tend to run fast and loose with socket/schema revs |
| [04:55:36] | wagnerrp: | it will gladly run old code on a new database, and hose it up |
| [04:56:11] | Timmymayes: | well |
| [04:56:55] | Timmymayes: | you can modify recordings through a built in webserver/site right? |
| [04:57:17] | Timmymayes: | or i could vnc and update recordings on myth directly |
| [04:57:22] | wagnerrp: | there *is* mythxml, but its very poorly documented |
| [04:57:27] | Timmymayes: | k |
| [04:57:29] | wagnerrp: | but youre probably talking about mythweb |
| [04:57:34] | Timmymayes: | yeah |
| [04:57:42] | wagnerrp: | which is just a standard webapp run through apache |
| [04:58:01] | Timmymayes: | my friend back home uses it. I just got the 2250 a month and a half ago and i was using windows with beyondTV |
| [04:58:17] | wagnerrp: | do realize that card is digital only |
| [04:58:21] | Timmymayes: | but my friend mentioned how awesome myth is and im a fan of linux in geneeral |
| [04:58:31] | Timmymayes: | well |
| [04:58:57] | Timmymayes: | in beyondTv i had the QAM channels and the "normal" channels but i think they were all digital |
| [04:58:59] | Timmymayes: | i have cox |
| [04:59:07] | Timmymayes: | and i think its digital |
| [05:01:07] | Casper82: | QAM is digital. |
| [05:01:17] | Timmymayes: | what about the non QAM channels? |
| [05:01:41] | wagnerrp: | theyre not digital, you cannot receive them with that card |
| [05:01:51] | Casper82: | For more reading on installing v4l-dvb: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_ . . . vice_Drivers |
| [05:01:52] | wagnerrp: | (under linux anyway) |
| [05:01:53] | Timmymayes: | is that mythtv specific? |
| [05:02:01] | Timmymayes: | ok |
| [05:02:08] | wagnerrp: | linux specific, lack of drivers |
| [05:02:18] | Timmymayes: | so hopefully one day it will have them |
| [05:02:31] | Timmymayes: | or will it never happen |
| [05:03:03] | wagnerrp: | takes someone with the skill and motivation |
| [05:03:14] | wagnerrp: | and the latter is steadily dropping for analog cards |
| [05:03:54] | Timmymayes: | what about the encrypted channels... |
| [05:04:03] | Casper82: | Is analog really used with cable anymore (minus grabbing data from a stb)? |
| [05:04:20] | Casper82: | If it's encrypted, you can't get them without a stb |
| [05:04:22] | wagnerrp: | sure, but again, thats steadily dropping |
| [05:04:34] | Timmymayes: | whats stb |
| [05:04:40] | Casper82: | set top box |
| [05:04:42] | wagnerrp: | comcast has started dumping about half their analog lineup as they roll out their DTAs |
| [05:04:57] | wagnerrp: | stuff like verizon fios offers no analog |
| [05:05:02] | wagnerrp: | qam only |
| [05:05:06] | Casper82: | aye, I am comcast and all my analog channels are now on qam |
| [05:05:13] | Timmymayes: | I used to work in dispatch at Cox Communication Las Vegas and i distinctly remember being able to register the serial # of a cable card and allowing HD access |
| [05:05:29] | Timmymayes: | it didn't happen often as it was back when it was a lot newer technology |
| [05:05:51] | wagnerrp: | Timmymayes: and you still have to have drivers for such cards |
| [05:06:03] | Timmymayes: | i know |
| [05:06:07] | wagnerrp: | which will never happen under linux without some serious rev-eng work |
| [05:06:26] | Timmymayes: | i'm just saying once i have the 2250 working will i be able to register it with cox and get those channels? |
| [05:06:33] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:06:36] | Casper82: | nope |
| [05:06:40] | wagnerrp: | as you said 'cablecard' |
| [05:06:45] | wagnerrp: | the 2250 is not a cablecard tuner |
| [05:06:47] | Timmymayes: | oh ok |
| [05:06:54] | wagnerrp: | cablecard being a slotable CA module |
| [05:07:25] | Timmymayes: | seems dire |
| [05:08:40] | Timmymayes: | maybe i'll just fork over the $100 for beyond tv use it as a backend to record the shows and dump them into my fileserver and encode from there |
| [05:09:53] | [R]: | PXE booting over wifi sucks |
| [05:10:05] | Timmymayes: | off to test backup pc, back in a few |
| [05:10:36] | wagnerrp: | s/sucks/impossible/ |
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| [05:10:49] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'm proof of concepting some stuff in a virtual machine on my laptop |
| [05:12:24] | wagnerrp: | why not put the tftp/nfs server on your laptop? |
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| [05:13:34] | [R]: | because my other computer was already set up with everyhting |
| [05:14:03] | wagnerrp: | its all of 2 minutes to set up the new machine |
| [05:14:08] | wagnerrp: | (i know, i did it last night) |
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| [05:14:50] | [R]: | yeah i know |
| [05:14:51] | [R]: | i could |
| [05:14:54] | [R]: | but i didn't |
| [05:15:00] | wagnerrp: | enable inetd, uncomment the tftp line, add a nfs export, then you just have to copy the files |
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| [05:22:58] | qupada: | I'm getting tens of thousands of instances of this error http://pastebin.com/m4464d2c6 in my logs when mythcommflag runs after a recording. I suspect it's just choking on our screwy DVB codecs, is there any way to turn off commercial flagging short of setting the flag command to /bin/true? I don't seem to be able to find one |
| [05:23:33] | wagnerrp: | you can turn commflagging on/off per record rule and per channel |
| [05:23:53] | wagnerrp: | well you enable it on the record rule, you disable it on the channel |
| [05:24:50] | [R]: | how bad is comm flagging on a 3hz celeron for hdpvr recordingds gonna be? like how slowly |
| [05:25:32] | abqjp: | 3hz? Gad, it would take a year to flag a single show! |
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| [05:25:37] | wagnerrp: | *very* slow, depending on bitrate |
| [05:25:56] | [R]: | grrr |
| [05:26:21] | wagnerrp: | that chip might handle 4–5mbps decoding in realtime, so halve that for the commflagger |
| [05:26:56] | fridge_sm: | I just upgraded to 0.22 today, very nice — except that my jump points don't work during TV playback. Any ideas? I can't find any info in the mailing lists, so I'm wondering if this is unique to my setup. |
| [05:27:04] | [R]: | so 6x slow? |
| [05:27:13] | [R]: | if i understood you and did the math correctly |
| [05:28:34] | wagnerrp: | yes, painfully slow at full bitrate |
| [05:31:08] | qupada: | wagnerrp: Ah, thanks for that. I must have missed the 'commercial free' option |
| [05:31:44] | fridge_sm: | for example, while I'm playing a show, if I hit the key for jumping to the main menu, it does absolutely nothing — this also happens if I do "jump mainmenu" from the telnet port |
| [05:32:29] | abqjp: | How does the celeron compare to a full core2? A 3GHz core2 can comm flag in real time at full *progressive* bitrates, but not with interlaced content. |
| [05:33:02] | wagnerrp: | probably about half the performance of one core |
| [05:33:35] | [R]: | i have a 2.13ghz core2 |
| [05:33:48] | [R]: | but won't be abel to use it for a while |
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| [05:49:59] | mchou: | web site is jammed hard |
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| [08:31:17] | loki_666: | hi |
| [08:31:33] | loki_666: | 'im having an issue with acpi wakeup |
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| [08:31:56] | loki_666: | the wakeup is working fine when i set it manually |
| [08:32:26] | loki_666: | and i can see mythbackend setting it correctly for my next scheduled recording |
| [08:33:10] | loki_666: | but somehow just after this an other call to my script which set the acpi wakeup is done with some stupid value |
| [08:33:40] | loki_666: | could it be the call to mythshudown --shutdown? |
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| [08:59:43] | xris: | black friday deal: HDHomerun Networked Dual Digital HDTV Tuner for $119 with coupon EMCMMNV69 at newegg |
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| [09:28:52] | mzb_: | ah, that's better: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg |
| [09:29:00] | mzb_: | (although not technically correct;)) |
| [09:29:19] | mzb_: | fixed the contrast/brightness flickering at the same time ;) |
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| [10:00:19] | justinh: | wonder what kind of idiocy today will bring |
| [10:02:08] | ivor: | FRIIIIIDAY |
| [10:02:09] | ivor: | way |
| [10:02:11] | ivor: | yay |
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| [10:02:18] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [10:03:15] | gbee: | top tip, if using vdpau stay clear of 190.42 :P |
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| [10:04:28] | [Peter]: | gbee: hm.. I use it with VDPAU, haven't had any real problems |
| [10:04:34] | [Peter]: | gbee: what's broken? |
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| [10:05:18] | gbee: | performance |
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| [10:09:14] | justinh: | think that's what's on my new box |
| [10:09:34] | justinh: | the one wot sometimes plays HD fine, other times fails to init the hardware |
| [10:11:11] | justinh: | how do you find out which version is installed? ubuntu's driver manager only says 190 |
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| [10:17:32] | justinh: | ahh 190.42 IS what ubunuts is calling '190' |
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| [10:17:56] | Led-Hed: | HDHomeRun or HVR-2250? |
| [10:18:09] | justinh: | huh? |
| [10:18:22] | Led-Hed: | looking for opinions |
| [10:18:36] | justinh: | depends if you want a real dual tuner or not |
| [10:18:41] | Led-Hed: | both are on sale right now |
| [10:18:44] | zuul: | Hi all. I'm having some problem finding all channels (Freeview, UK, London) after upgrading mythtv (mythbackend says version 22594). |
| [10:18:52] | zuul: | I’ve Googled, read documents, tried rescanning in loads of different ways and am currently trying to figure out how it works under the hood with dvb-tools. |
| [10:18:56] | Led-Hed: | justdave_, which is not the 'REAL' dual tunner? |
| [10:19:10] | Led-Hed: | oops. I always do that |
| [10:19:18] | zuul: | I must admit I'm running out of ideas. |
| [10:19:21] | Led-Hed: | justinh, ^^ |
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| [10:19:52] | Led-Hed: | sorry about that justdave |
| [10:19:58] | justdave: | not that the lack of _ will help anyone's autocomplete ;) |
| [10:20:08] | Led-Hed: | :) |
| [10:20:15] | Led-Hed: | just me being lazy |
| [10:20:16] | justdave: | happens all the time, I'm used to it :) |
| [10:20:23] | justinh: | the HVR cards are hybrids |
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| [10:20:29] | sid3windr: | ubunuts, heh. |
| [10:20:42] | justinh: | so any 'dual' capacity of most of them means you get analogue or digital |
| [10:20:45] | Led-Hed: | justinh, right, I'm not interested in the analog portion of the card |
| [10:20:45] | justinh: | not two digital |
| [10:20:55] | zuul: | The channel scan has always worked flawlessly in other versions and locations. I was a bit stunned when loads of channels were missing this time around. |
| [10:21:02] | Led-Hed: | justinh, the 2250 has 2 digital |
| [10:21:31] | justdave: | you'd think one of these days the irc client software would get smart with the autocomplete and start matching the most-recent person to talk that matches instead of the first one alphabetically. |
| [10:21:40] | justinh: | Led-Hed: so the question *really* is do you *need* the tuner to be network connected? |
| [10:21:48] | justinh: | i.e. do you have enough PCI slots? |
| [10:22:08] | justinh: | or in the case of the 2250, PCIe |
| [10:22:37] | Led-Hed: | justinh, I have enought PCIe slots (x3), but I'm not sure on the state of the 2250 linux driver |
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| [10:22:48] | justinh: | so ask in #linuxtv |
| [10:22:51] | justinh: | sigh |
| [10:23:03] | justinh: | seek and ye shall find |
| [10:23:05] | Led-Hed: | the HDHR is plug-n-go so thats nice also. |
| [10:23:23] | justinh: | zuul: increase the tuning delay setting, & signal timeout |
| [10:23:30] | justinh: | to *ludicrously high* values |
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| [10:24:07] | justinh: | zuul: either that or add one multiplex yourself (get the freq from a dvb-utils scan) & then scan existing transports |
| [10:24:31] | justinh: | the new scanner hasn't exactly filled me with confidence |
| [10:26:22] | justinh: | have to rescan *again* in 5 days' time anyway :-\ |
| [10:26:45] | mzb: | me too (.au) |
| [10:27:24] | justinh: | tried w_scan but I didn't have *all* *night* |
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| [10:30:47] | zuul: | justinh: OK, thanks! I'll do some reading up on how to adjust that and perform the scan again. I'll keep you posted. |
| [10:30:54] | justinh: | jesus. how broken is mythtv-setup in the mythbuntu theme? |
| [10:31:26] | [Peter]: | why is mythtv-setup themed at all |
| [10:31:46] | Led-Hed: | so it looks consistent |
| [10:32:24] | [Peter]: | Led-Hed: it only makes it less usable and a drag to use over network connections |
| [10:33:12] | justinh: | oh yeah we go. another moan about mythtv-setup needing a real screen |
| [10:33:12] | Led-Hed: | I dont see how a themed mythtv-setup would make it less usable. |
| [10:33:18] | justinh: | yeah well we've not had anyone submit patches to make it all web-based OK |
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| [10:33:58] | ** Led-Hed is still on 0.21 so he may be speaking out of his ass ** | |
| [10:34:00] | mzb: | ncurses "theme" would be nice ;) |
| [10:34:05] | justinh: | heh my theme is utterly broken in mythtv-setup too |
| [10:34:06] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [10:34:12] | justinh: | mzb: screw that. web based or bust |
| [10:34:24] | mzb: | meh ... |
| [10:34:30] | justinh: | that's the big man's plan apparently. no evidence of anybody having done anything with it yet |
| [10:34:42] | justinh: | nor will there be. until such time as somebody does |
| [10:34:46] | mzb: | can't see the point of graphical setup if it's not integrated |
| [10:35:22] | justinh: | it's all gash qt widgets anyway |
| [10:35:28] | justinh: | so it's not that themable |
| [10:35:46] | ** mzb selects "NULL" theme ** | |
| [10:35:53] | mzb: | (for setup;)) |
| [10:36:05] | mzb: | like my lcd splash? |
| [10:36:18] | justinh: | some of the channel editor stuff is mythui'd now |
| [10:36:37] | [Peter]: | Led-Hed: pretty much all themes makes the Qt controls unreadable |
| [10:36:41] | justinh: | [Peter]: no, qt makes the Qt controls unreadable |
| [10:36:48] | mzb: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg |
| [10:36:57] | mzb: | nice to be able to setup on that ;)) |
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| [10:37:14] | mzb: | but might be asking a bit much |
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| [10:37:33] | justinh: | meh. scanner is still FUBAR in trunk |
| [10:37:46] | justinh: | 5 seconds tuning timeout, 1 sec tuning delay... |
| [10:37:50] | justinh: | nothing found at all |
| [10:38:18] | mzb: | I had hoped to do a fade-effect, but the dongle was giving me the ... *cough*... so I stopped |
| [10:38:33] | [Peter]: | justinh: that might be so, I'm just saying that it'd be a lot more useful as a normal windowed application using the standard color scheme. the fullscreen part makes it a bitch if you have a list of transports in a web browser |
| [10:38:38] | mzb: | that's the "boot" screen (if you like) for the lcd, fwiw |
| [10:39:04] | justinh: | [Peter]: it's no fricking use whining about it is what I'm saying. nothing gets done that way |
| [10:39:14] | justinh: | this is gonna need a ticket |
| [10:39:20] | mzb: | (looks better than "LCD2USB v1.0a") |
| [10:40:17] | [Peter]: | justinh: I don't agree with your position that every discussion in here about how something could be improved is whining |
| [10:40:37] | justinh: | [Peter]: but it won't acheive *anything* just talking about it |
| [10:40:51] | justinh: | other than finding people who either agree with your or disagree |
| [10:41:07] | [Peter]: | justinh: no, it won't. But if there's a discussion first, chances are you'd get more input in the ticket that gets created afterwards |
| [10:41:10] | ** mzb takes a seat to watch the show ** | |
| [10:41:18] | justinh: | *actually* *doing* gets results quicker |
| [10:41:30] | Led-Hed: | xris, you still awake? |
| [10:41:34] | justinh: | and FWIW tickets never need 'me too' reports |
| [10:42:15] | gbee: | [Peter]: we have a plan to replace mythtv-setup, no discussion needed, just someone to follow that plan |
| [10:43:30] | mzb: | hehe "7two on 62" ... duh |
| [10:45:21] | Led-Hed: | for those interested, Here are Neweggs Black Friday Promo Codes. |
| [10:45:21] | Led-Hed: | http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Nov-0-20 . . . -_-PromoWord |
| [10:46:27] | justinh: | scan is totally screwed up thanks to freeview having a redundant mux round here |
| [10:46:48] | justinh: | assuming you *know* the f***ing frequency it's on |
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| [11:04:25] | justinh: | FFS I give up on rescanning in trunk even |
| [11:05:13] | justinh: | added all the transports on the freqs I KNOW work,did a scan of existing transports. loads of channels found but one unused transport |
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| [11:07:07] | justinh: | if it can't get this right the program is doomed. never mind web based setup |
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| [11:07:40] | zuul: | justinh: I rescanned (signal tmo 1,000->5,000 and tuning tmo 3,000->10,000) but I unfortunately got the same limited number of channels. |
| [11:08:37] | zuul: | justinh: As for adding a multiplex... do you have any more hints where I can start reading up on doing what you suggest? |
| [11:09:05] | justinh: | dvb-utils scan |
| [11:09:15] | justinh: | which TV region are you in btw? |
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| [11:11:09] | zuul: | justinh: Do you mean defining a new transport based on the definition files that "scan" uses (uk-CrystalPalace in my case)? |
| [11:11:36] | justinh: | yes |
| [11:11:46] | justinh: | but you should only need define the frequency |
| [11:12:25] | justinh: | ahh the fricking -users list was WRONG |
| [11:12:33] | zuul: | europe-west (?) |
| [11:12:49] | justinh: | mister authoritative "here are the frequencies for winter hill's transports". Bastard |
| [11:13:05] | justinh: | zuul: being that the UK is in Western Europe, yeah |
| [11:13:24] | justinh: | no I didn't mean frequency TABLE |
| [11:13:30] | antgel: | justinh: didn't you know not to trust -users :P btw, swapped out the hard disk, and system is running more reliably now, also quicker to respond to user events \o/ |
| [11:13:37] | zuul: | I've used "scan -a /dev/dvb/adapter0/ /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-CrystalPalace > channels.conf" with the same result as MythTV. |
| [11:14:09] | justinh: | zuul: then you won't get any more joy til you fix your aerial and/or tuner and/or cabling |
| [11:14:37] | justinh: | if dvb-utils scan fails, mythtv ain't gonna find what it can't |
| [11:14:58] | zuul: | I'm not sure how to adjust the signal/tuning timeouts when using scan, though. |
| [11:15:06] | justinh: | you don't |
| [11:15:17] | justinh: | never seen a need to either |
| [11:15:36] | justinh: | it just works, when mythtv-setup doesn't |
| [11:16:27] | justinh: | I don't get how dvb-utils scan works so well consistently and er... |
| [11:17:22] | justinh: | prolly a lack of people reporting issues, and the only uk dev who knows the dvb code well enough is just one man |
| [11:20:51] | justinh: | here we go again. deleted all transports, all the channels are gone.. timeouts all maxed out. full scan |
| [11:21:39] | justinh: | but it'll screw up if it works, cos there's that duplcated BBC mux still |
| [11:22:10] | zuul: | justinh: So it may very well be as simple as poor reception? |
| [11:22:16] | justinh: | yes |
| [11:22:32] | justinh: | if scan is failing to pull everything in, certainly |
| [11:22:43] | zuul: | justinh: I've got a stand-alone freeview (on the same coax cable) that finds all channels and works like a charm, though. |
| [11:22:44] | antgel: | so next time i moan about itv hd, you won't just say "duh, scan for it"? |
| [11:22:51] | justinh: | antgel: sshhh |
| [11:22:58] | antgel: | *snort* |
| [11:23:14] | justinh: | zuul: oh on the same coax, just a passive splitter? way to halve the signal |
| [11:23:27] | justinh: | try with the tuner card being the only device on the coax |
| [11:23:47] | justinh: | and FYI PC tuners are SHITE compared to real tuners |
| [11:23:59] | justinh: | sensitivity, immunity to interference...etc |
| [11:24:06] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [11:24:28] | justinh: | so that the freeview box gets a good signal is nice, it can be irrelevant |
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| [11:24:52] | justinh: | it only proves you *can* get freeview |
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| [11:25:06] | justinh: | going downhill, with a high wind behind you |
| [11:25:25] | justinh: | antgel: FWIW scanning fer it WAS supposed to 'just work' |
| [11:25:33] | justinh: | (when it's active) |
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| [11:26:53] | zuul: | justinh: OK, that's a very be a good test – tuning with the hauppauge being the only thing connected. I've actually not tried that yet. |
| [11:27:17] | zuul: | I did try with a few different setups, but never with the tuner card as the only connected device. |
| [11:27:48] | justinh: | zuul: every time you split an aerial coax once to two devices it HALVES the signal – and that assumes the splitter has no loss |
| [11:27:52] | zuul: | I'll have to try it when I get home though. I'm doing everything remotely at the moment. |
| [11:28:12] | justinh: | unless you use an *amplified* splitter of course |
| [11:28:24] | justinh: | or what they call 'distribution amplifier' |
| [11:28:42] | justinh: | aka powered splitter |
| [11:29:13] | justinh: | if it's just a dumb metal or plastic & metal thing that doesn't take any power it's *passive* and will (at best) halve the signal |
| [11:32:12] | justinh: | I used to have an aerial in the attic just for the mythtv box but the coax buried in the wall failed. So I split the main aerial downstairs & send it into a 4-way distribution amp in the computer room where the backend is |
| [11:35:26] | Dibblah: | Mmm. The Acer 5739G is really surprisingly nice for the price :) |
| [11:35:49] | gbee: | Dibblah: thank you |
| [11:36:16] | Dibblah: | Shame it's going to be the GFs, but hey. That's the price you pay for harmony. |
| [11:36:17] | Dibblah: | ? |
| [11:36:42] | gbee: | for changing the subject |
| [11:36:45] | Dibblah: | ... Bloody annoying to fit the bluetooth card, though :( |
| [11:37:08] | Dibblah: | You don't like coax distribution? |
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| [11:37:46] | justinh: | I don't like how the scanner is broken either, but I know it's 'known about' & will likely be fixed. Just damn frustrating |
| [11:37:54] | gbee: | I don't like the prospect of having to kick someone |
| [11:38:52] | mzb: | justinh, inductive splitter? |
| [11:39:32] | Dibblah: | What about it? There's no magic in inductance. |
| [11:39:49] | justinh: | mzb: active splitters/DAs are the only splitters worth having unless you're splitting a cable feed with plenty of welly behind it |
| [11:40:13] | mzb: | "normal" splitters are resistive ... that's where the big loss comes from |
| [11:40:23] | justinh: | inductive splitters are lossy too |
| [11:40:33] | zuul: | justinh: I'm definitely going to try with only the DVB-T card connected. It that works, then I'll look into getting a amplified spliter. |
| [11:40:35] | justinh: | just *less* lossy than resistive ones |
| [11:40:44] | mzb: | but not _as_ lossy ... not that I know where to get them here (any more) |
| [11:40:51] | zuul: | justinh: The one I have now is definitely a passive one. |
| [11:41:10] | mzb: | I use a 4-way resistive ... no amplification |
| [11:41:29] | justinh: | and you *can* get away with it if the signal is strong enough to start with |
| [11:41:47] | mzb: | I also have a secondary antenna direct to a single tuner (different transmitter/direction/frequency) |
| [11:41:48] | justinh: | but signal thresholds, tuner sensitivies.. all variables you can bank on to chuff things up |
| [11:42:38] | justinh: | LOL. full scan failed to find anything. timeouts all fully cranked up |
| [11:42:42] | Dibblah: | Uhm... Have a look at the prices for amps on ebay. |
| [11:42:49] | Dibblah: | They're cheap. |
| [11:43:09] | justinh: | yeah the rubbish passive ones are like £5 at B&Q |
| [11:43:24] | justinh: | you can get a 4-way amplified one for a little more than that |
| [11:43:27] | mzb: | *assuming* you've got an appropriate aerial in good condition and facing the right way (!!!) the most likely problem is going to be (poor) cable (assuming no joins or splits) |
| [11:43:44] | justinh: | mzb: assuming nothing. the UK digital network is a mess |
| [11:43:45] | Dibblah: | Mmm. 2.1Ghz CPU, nvidia GT240M GPU – 17w @idle, WITH the screen on. |
| [11:43:45] | mzb: | so testing on a single tuner (without split or joins) is a good plan |
| [11:43:55] | Dibblah: | From the wall. |
| [11:44:25] | justinh: | blimey |
| [11:44:38] | ** mzb hides the 3phase ** | |
| [11:44:49] | mzb: | heh ... 17W isn't much |
| [11:44:49] | Dibblah: | I don't understand. |
| [11:44:52] | justinh: | nice if you can get vdpau to work consistently |
| [11:45:01] | Dibblah: | The LED screen is just about free. |
| [11:45:09] | ** mzb was trying to imply that all his machines chew power ** | |
| [11:45:12] | Dibblah: | ie <1w at lower brightness. |
| [11:45:26] | Dibblah: | justinh: This isn't going to be a Myth machine ;) |
| [11:45:31] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:46:13] | justinh: | wonder wth is stopping the scanner getting a lock when a scan of an existing transport works |
| [11:46:24] | mzb: | I've probably got routers that use more than that ;)) |
| [11:46:28] | justinh: | in theory it's the same deal.. but obviously isn't |
| [11:46:42] | justinh: | tuned scan fails for the same reason apparently |
| [11:47:03] | Dibblah: | -t? |
| [11:47:16] | Dibblah: | And is it a new card? |
| [11:47:43] | justinh: | what I'm doing here is pretending to be a new user scanning his channels |
| [11:47:53] | justinh: | I know the card works. I know *I* can get channels scanned in |
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| [11:48:20] | justinh: | trying to find out what works & what doesn't work |
| [11:48:33] | justinh: | then I'l try to find out *WHY* |
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| [11:55:39] | justinh: | ooo just thought of another use of twitter for mythtv |
| [11:56:19] | justinh: | @juskimythtv RECORD BBC ONE 18:00 18:30 |
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| [11:56:28] | justinh: | could be faster than firing up mythweb on a mobile phone |
| [11:56:41] | justinh: | hmmm |
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| [11:57:42] | justinh: | need to filter for a valid 'from' though, don't want just anybody messing things up. unless that's easy to spoof |
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| [12:00:18] | justinh: | seem to be getting an awful lot of "gesture right" messages out of mythtv-setup & I'm not even touching the mouse |
| [12:00:50] | rooaus: | justinh: I seem to remember someone saying something about deleted transports not being completely deleted, so rescan doesn't work properly or something. But thought it was fixed... maybe try ensure tables are cleared out before scan. (I haven't read scrollback may not fully understand your issue) |
| [12:01:14] | justinh: | I'm trying to reproduce issues & find out how to solve them |
| [12:01:47] | justinh: | I know what works for me in trunk to get all my channels in. manually add transport frequencies & then scan existing transports ignoring signal timeout. that works |
| [12:02:24] | justinh: | but a lot of people will have trouble doing that, won't know the 1st thing about transport frequencies.. and shouldn't be expected to know..etc |
| [12:02:36] | rooaus: | sounds like it could be the issue, I wonder is sphery has logs for #mythtv? |
| [12:02:54] | rooaus: | aka waybackmachine |
| [12:03:04] | justinh: | I truncated the dtv_multiplex table. and the channel table |
| [12:03:18] | justinh: | it times out consistently even when I do a tuned scan |
| [12:03:30] | justinh: | whereas scanning *known* transports doesn't. |
| [12:03:41] | justinh: | and it locks within a second |
| [12:04:12] | justinh: | so you'd think that a timeout setting of 2 secs & a tuning delay of 1 sec would cover it but no. nor with settings all maxed out |
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| [12:05:16] | rooaus: | hmmm, it is worth fixing, scanning issues suck for users. |
| [12:05:16] | justinh: | ordinarily I might think "yeah, so, I know how to make it work" but jees not being able to scan and find ANYTHING with default settings.. it's gonna cause trouble IMHO |
| [12:06:13] | justinh: | it's not even that it's tuning to a mux & not parsing it. There is no lock on a signal at all |
| [12:06:20] | justinh: | where there IS a signal :) |
| [12:06:59] | rooaus: | remember when I first started with myth, had to build tuner modules and patch kernel etc., couple that with dodgy scanning in myth and it took a bit to get right |
| [12:07:02] | justinh: | unless the dvb driver I'm using is borked, but then how come scanning known transports works? |
| [12:07:31] | justinh: | tune to a freq. wait a wee while for lock. parse the stream. bingo. right? |
| [12:07:48] | justinh: | no lock, time out..move to next freq. wait a wee while for lock, parse the stream... |
| [12:09:07] | rooaus: | from a vague part of my memory there are also issues for some cards with the auto params passed to cards, some require some minimum specified params, not all though. Could that be a difference? I |
| [12:09:56] | justinh: | shouldn't be |
| [12:10:09] | justinh: | all I do when I add transports is enter the frequency |
| [12:10:20] | justinh: | everything else I leave as auto |
| [12:11:55] | justinh: | you know the theory we oft repeat here..if it works with dvb-utils & other apps – i.e. it works IN LINUX you're good for it in mythtv too ;-) |
| [12:13:52] | justinh: | and even if it is a 'broken' driver, the question will always crop up "muh so why are other apps okay?". Which I think is valid |
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| [12:16:18] | rooaus: | absolutely |
| [12:16:25] | rooaus: | I may have to rescan here some time soonish, I will pay some attention as it is so long since I had to worry about it. I am pretty sure I had to specify more than the freq, possibly 1 (or 2) others, might have been b/w and fec. |
| [12:17:26] | justinh: | that is CRAZY |
| [12:17:47] | justinh: | I deleted the card. added the card again. So all the timeout values were the defaults |
| [12:18:02] | justinh: | tried a tuned scan on a mux I know works. failed |
| [12:18:51] | justinh: | increased the signal timeout to 7 secs & tried again. works straight away. it didn't have to wait 7 secs to get a lock. < 1 second |
| [12:18:55] | justinh: | so timeout = 1 second. FAIL |
| [12:19:07] | justinh: | timeout > 1 second, gets a lock in < 1 sec |
| [12:20:18] | rooaus: | interestingly the au-Melbourne scan tuning file specs the stuff I thought I had to set instead of auto, didn't need to all of them. Could other apps use something similar? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1689440 |
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| [12:23:06] | justinh: | signal timeout 2000ms,tuning timeout 1750ms (default) tuning delay default |
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| [12:23:09] | justinh: | WORKS |
| [12:23:46] | justinh: | try a full scan now with those timeout values |
| [12:23:59] | Thom-: | hello guys, could anyone tell me what the normal share folder for mythtv is? I have in /usr/local/share/mythtv and /usr/share/mythtv mostly the same files.. one of them is from the package and the other is from the make install, but I don't know which one :/ |
| [12:24:14] | justinh: | I mean with some cards maybe the default settings will just work & users would be none the wiser |
| [12:24:49] | justinh: | Thom-: if you didn't use a custom --prefix when you ran configure, /usr/local/share/mythtv is the one you made |
| [12:25:00] | justinh: | generally |
| [12:25:12] | Thom-: | justinh, thank you, i used the configure without a --prefix |
| [12:25:19] | justinh: | if not, I'd think the modified dates would give you a clue ;-) |
| [12:25:46] | Thom-: | aww i didn't thought about that... that could have been the simplest solution |
| [12:25:48] | justinh: | hope you uninstalled any packages before building mythtv yourself btw... |
| [12:26:06] | rooaus: | if on debian system you can use apt-file show /my/file/name to find out which package might have installed it |
| [12:26:19] | rooaus: | or what justinh said :) |
| [12:27:20] | Thom-: | i did not uninstall any packages... i thought that might remove my mysql database and therefore all of my configurations |
| [12:27:21] | Thom-: | :/ |
| [12:27:26] | Thom-: | was that stupid? |
| [12:27:39] | justinh: | well, back up the database FIRST :) |
| [12:27:54] | justinh: | which btw you should be doing on a regular basis automatically anyway |
| [12:28:07] | justinh: | if you value having a working mythtv system that is |
| [12:28:16] | Thom-: | hm, should i remove the packages now, or is it now too late? |
| [12:28:42] | justinh: | Thom-: not stupid as such no.. but it can cause problems when you forget & later end up with mixed versions of stuff |
| [12:28:53] | justinh: | less so when the prefixes are different but still... eew |
| [12:29:37] | Thom-: | yeah i know... well i'm using linux now for 3 days, so i thought it harms possibly more if i remove anything |
| [12:29:42] | justinh: | should be ok to uninstall mythtv packages |
| [12:33:02] | justinh: | hmm. tuned scan now works. full scan still no worky. time for lunch |
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| [12:36:25] | rooaus: | time for bed, cheers |
| [12:37:31] | simonckenyon: | justinh: being a h/w person do you know what are the regs (CE etc.) about the max size of air vent holes in a computer case? building another one as my christmas project (out of wood) |
| [12:37:33] | rooaus: | Thom-: By the way, that should have been "apt-file search filename" not show, sorry |
| [12:39:02] | Thom-: | rooaus, thank you, I've been already looking for such a function |
| [12:40:33] | rooaus: | if you use it you have to run apt-file update after install, otherwise it won't find anything :) |
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| [12:41:24] | Thom-: | so.. i've removed now the old packages... i hope i didn't kill my whole system :D |
| [12:42:03] | rooaus: | if you backed up the DB you should be right. Are you using a debian based system? |
| [12:42:09] | Thom-: | yes |
| [12:42:11] | Thom-: | mythbuntu |
| [12:42:25] | Thom-: | well, it removed my init.d scripts, but i should be able to repair it |
| [12:42:57] | rooaus: | you can try "dpkg --get-selections | grep myth" to see if there are any *myth* packages still installed |
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| [12:49:49] | justinh: | simonckenyon: not so much the max size of vent holes – it's more about whether or not a 'standard finger' can fit in a hole & come to harm |
| [12:50:12] | justinh: | but from an EMC perspective a wooden box is no use whatsoever :P |
| [12:50:29] | justinh: | (electomagnetic compatibility) |
| [12:50:37] | justinh: | *electromagnetic |
| [12:51:07] | simonckenyon: | justinh: is there a definition of "a standard finger"? |
| [12:51:20] | rooaus: | I am holding one up now :P |
| [12:51:28] | rooaus: | j/k |
| [12:51:28] | simonckenyon: | very funny |
| [12:51:31] | justinh: | it's pretty much just a regular finger IIRC |
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| [12:51:57] | justinh: | but unless you're selling it, just make it safe for whoever will be using it |
| [12:52:10] | justinh: | regs don't apply to anything home-made |
| [12:52:12] | simonckenyon: | i've seen for sale metal mesh for use in computer vents which has 1/4 inch holes |
| [12:52:39] | simonckenyon: | i realise that the regs don't actually apply – but would like to (at least) try to be compliant |
| [12:53:34] | simonckenyon: | you never know – the design might turns out to be so abso-bloody-lutely fantastic that i might be able to sell them |
| [12:53:55] | justinh: | compliance testing costs a packet |
| [12:54:24] | simonckenyon: | i realise that – but there is this "self certification" lark – or so i've read |
| [12:54:33] | justinh: | selling home made stuff to the public is a minefield |
| [12:55:23] | rooaus: | unless done in China, then some of that isn't so much testing as give them money, they certify your product. |
| [12:55:35] | simonckenyon: | anyway – thanks for the pointers |
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| [12:55:50] | justinh: | you can self-cert but by God you have to know what you're doing |
| [12:56:10] | simonckenyon: | of course – this *is* a case for a mythfrontend |
| [12:56:59] | justinh: | if you're just making the case for somebody else to assemble, you're offloading responsibility to somebody else ;-) |
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| [12:57:46] | justinh: | if you can't poke a finger inside & get electric shocks, maimed or burnt it'll be fine :) |
| [12:57:54] | justinh: | oh and if it can't catch fire |
| [12:58:12] | simonckenyon: | i was thinking that myself – here's a wooden box – just might happen to fit a mini-itx motherboard |
| [12:58:26] | simonckenyon: | wood. fire. no chance. |
| [12:58:40] | justinh: | wood isn't great for PC cases |
| [12:58:46] | justinh: | just like perspex isn't |
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| [12:59:16] | justinh: | high speed electronics operating at radio frequencies need to be screened, ideally |
| [12:59:22] | Thom-: | my mythtv package started the frontend with "mythfrontend --service", but with the latest version from the trunk the --service parameter doesn't exist anymore.. .does anyone know what the parameter did? |
| [12:59:27] | simonckenyon: | i've built several out of wood – the mythfrontend in my bedroom is MDF |
| [12:59:44] | rooaus: | seriously though, about the finger... think of a small child as they are very curious and even if you don't have kids someone might visit. |
| [12:59:52] | justinh: | Thom-: it was a wrapper script ;-) |
| [13:00:03] | simonckenyon: | i would love to make it out of cast aluminium – but that is beyond my abilities |
| [13:00:09] | justinh: | Thom-: in the real world mythfrontend is the mythfrontend program |
| [13:00:20] | justinh: | in *buntu package land it's a wrapper script |
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| [13:00:49] | justinh: | simonckenyon: and no doubt beyond your budget too |
| [13:01:34] | Thom-: | justinh, mhm i don't know what the difference is, but i hope it will work without the parameter in the same way |
| [13:01:40] | Thom-: | at least it starts |
| [13:01:53] | simonckenyon: | i've been reading http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/ |
| [13:02:51] | justinh: | Thom-: the script is just a wrapper which calls mythfrontend.real – which is infact just mythfrontend the program |
| [13:02:55] | rooaus: | the mythbubntu packages have a script called mythfrontend that calls the binary mythfrontend.real (or similar name), when built from source the binary is called mythfrontend. They also did something similar for mythbackend. |
| [13:03:13] | Thom-: | strange? |
| [13:03:24] | justinh: | Thom-: no not really. they had their reasons |
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| [13:04:09] | Thom-: | as i'm using mythbuntu too maybe i should ask them for the reasons |
| [13:06:36] | Thom-: | hm but it works perfectly right now |
| [13:06:36] | Thom-: | :D |
| [13:06:52] | Thom-: | thanks justinh and rooaus... i now have a clean mythtv installation |
| [13:07:14] | justinh: | there'll be an inquiry into why the packages weren't good enough for you. Oh yes |
| [13:07:17] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [13:08:29] | Thom-: | hehe i'd like to have the possibility to change something in the code |
| [13:08:40] | justinh: | cool |
| [13:08:56] | rooaus: | np, remember what justinh said about backing up your DB. Especially as there is no downgrade of DB schema version if you decide to not build from source (probably only an issue if you are building trunk). |
| [13:09:00] | Thom-: | i may be a newbie, but i'll learn the system |
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| [13:10:03] | rooaus: | night all |
| [13:10:08] | Thom-: | night |
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| [13:11:04] | justinh: | Thom-: I strongly recommend everybody backs up their DB on a regular basis. Not hourly, daily will do – find a balance between hassle, storing the backups & how many recordings you can stand to lose ;-) |
| [13:11:37] | justinh: | accidents can and do happen. esp. when things like the partition the db is stored on gets full, and mysql crashes |
| [13:12:07] | Thom-: | is there a good mysql backup tool? |
| [13:12:32] | justinh: | the majority of DB corruption you'll run into will be repairable though in my experience.. just not the kind of crash I just described ;-) |
| [13:12:48] | justinh: | there's a mythconverg backup script kicking around in contrib now |
| [13:12:54] | justinh: | you should have it |
| [13:13:06] | justinh: | in mythtv/contrib – where you got the source :) |
| [13:13:23] | justinh: | I use automysqlbackup.sh – have used it for years now |
| [13:15:01] | Thom-: | mhm that script doesn't exist in the contrib folder |
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| [13:20:21] | justinh: | heh I thought they'd be in contrib. they're not. yet. |
| [13:20:26] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [13:21:43] | Thom-: | thank you justinh :D with my luck the database will destroy itself within a few hours if i don't backup it regulary |
| [13:21:47] | justinh: | oof. 1.5TB HDD @ aria.co.uk for £59.95 (plus vAT I presume) |
| [13:22:17] | justinh: | 2TB for a shade under £110 inc VAT now |
| [13:22:40] | gbee: | makes the 1.5TB better value :) |
| [13:22:59] | gbee: | 1TB was going for £55 recently |
| [13:23:10] | gbee: | s/recently/last week/ |
| [13:23:27] | justinh: | makes me sick. paid about £70 each for my 1TB HDDs |
| [13:23:46] | justinh: | the curse of the early adopter |
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| [13:24:33] | justinh: | so... going back to this scanning deal. can't really get any debug out of mythtv-setup – since it's not even getting a lock none of the usual suspects (siparser, NIT etc) will be any use |
| [13:28:32] | justinh: | do any of the parameters interact – say if you increase the tuning delay is that going to effectively reduce the signal timeout value by being included or is it in addition to it? |
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| [13:41:50] | justinh: | damn. a mux found at 754000000. there is no mux there |
| [13:42:21] | justinh: | the card is AFC'ing the offset out |
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| [13:56:41] | justinh: | hahahaha love it http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a1 . . . pg-case.html |
| [13:59:16] | Dibblah: | -v channel |
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| [14:00:54] | justinh: | I'll see what info that gives me in a sec |
| [14:01:04] | justinh: | can't see it being any use since I don't even get a lock |
| [14:01:49] | justinh: | I got *one* good result with all the channels it should find but at least one mux freq. was wrong |
| [14:01:56] | justinh: | now I can't reproduce it |
| [14:02:37] | Dibblah: | Channel includes initial tune. |
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| [14:04:33] | justinh: | arghh no lock again |
| [14:04:48] | justinh: | same values that worked before |
| [14:05:02] | Memphisau: | hmm |
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| [14:05:58] | Dibblah: | Pastebin? |
| [14:09:51] | justinh: | pastebin what? |
| [14:13:30] | justinh: | wow |
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| [14:16:26] | justinh: | uhh it's setting the trans. mode to 2k by the look of it .. that might be gonna totally break in december |
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| [14:21:59] | justinh: | Dibblah: this is a channel which *should* lock : http://pastebin.ca/1689580 |
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| [14:24:12] | justinh: | amazing. a tuned scan seems to work, and it's using AUTO for everything rather than passing parameters |
| [14:24:32] | oobe: | i just finished watching alias in seqential order |
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| [14:27:45] | justinh: | so, I assume that the scanner is getting 8Mhz, 2k etc from a table somewhere, me having said UK in the preferences |
| [14:30:18] | oobe: | have you tried using a channel.conf made by tzap that works perfect for me i did it today using latest 22 fixes build |
| [14:30:27] | justinh: | that is NOT the point |
| [14:30:42] | justinh: | I'm trying to find out why the builtin scanner is tripping up |
| [14:31:10] | justinh: | I know how to make scanning work in this case but I'm looking for WHY it's not working in the first place most users will try |
| [14:32:23] | justinh: | if there's an internal scanning tool there should be no need to import conf files :) |
| [14:32:48] | justinh: | if one doesn't work, get it fixed rather than work around it |
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| [14:34:24] | oobe: | yeah i have to admit i never tested the internal scanner as i just want it to work fast and accurately |
| [14:34:42] | justinh: | MUH |
| [14:34:55] | justinh: | the point is, the internal scanner should be fast & accurate :) |
| [14:35:07] | oobe: | yeah i get it now |
| [14:35:50] | justinh: | so I'm here trying to get my head around what's up |
| [14:36:05] | justinh: | least in this case- which for all I know isn't a real case |
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| [14:39:32] | oobe: | this is my annoyance http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7322 |
| [14:40:00] | oobe: | and this one http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3014 |
| [14:40:46] | oobe: | me go do poo in toilet |
| [14:41:18] | Elwell: | hey folks, I'm trying to use tv_grab_comniner – it's setup and works on the commandline but when I run mythfilldb I get http://pastebin.com/d34cac18a. What do I need to run with --configure tv_grab* or some myth component? |
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| [14:43:45] | justinh: | means you've not configured the grabber correctly, or at all |
| [14:44:01] | justinh: | or myth is set to use the wrong grabber |
| [14:44:19] | oobe: | Elwell, in mythtv-setup section 3 i think tell it to use tv_grab_comniner for each tuner device |
| [14:44:42] | Elwell: | hmm – trying to configure grabber within myth hung. I'll try again |
| [14:45:13] | oobe: | what country are you in |
| [14:45:17] | Elwell: | .ch |
| [14:46:03] | oobe: | you might want to symlimk tv_grab_comniner to /usr/bin/tv_grab_ch |
| [14:46:35] | justinh: | it prolly didn't hang |
| [14:46:51] | oobe: | or that |
| [14:46:55] | justinh: | you might just have missed the part about grabber config opening in another window you have to change to |
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| [14:48:03] | Elwell: | yeah I'm running over a tunneled X+ssh connection just now |
| [14:48:12] | Elwell: | somewhat laggy |
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| [14:59:43] | Dibblah: | justinh: That doesn't make much sense. |
| [14:59:53] | Dibblah: | It looks like a successful tune... |
| [15:00:07] | Dibblah: | (with a rather large offset, but still) |
| [15:00:43] | Dibblah: | Weird. This laptop has one USB port that's also an SATA port. |
| [15:01:04] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [15:01:07] | sid3windr: | that's newskool! |
| [15:01:18] | sid3windr: | usb for the power, sata for the transferspeed :) |
| [15:02:28] | Dibblah: | Nah – Looks like you can only use one at a time. |
| [15:03:07] | sid3windr: | not if you have the right connector |
| [15:03:10] | sid3windr: | on your external drive |
| [15:03:19] | sid3windr: | (afaik) |
| [15:12:21] | justinh: | Dibblah: the offsets are plus & minus 166khz |
| [15:12:31] | justinh: | which is right |
| [15:13:18] | justinh: | just had a hack at the scan wizard defines to set stuff to auto like in a tuned scan which works. see if that helps any |
| [15:14:23] | justinh: | Dibblah: and yes a successful TUNE – as in change the frequency Kenneth |
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| [15:14:31] | justinh: | but it's not got a LOCK |
| [15:14:47] | Dibblah: | Anything after that in the log? |
| [15:14:55] | Dibblah: | sig means it's got a signal. |
| [15:15:04] | Dibblah: | And sig disappears from the waiting line. |
| [15:15:05] | justinh: | but no lock |
| [15:15:41] | justinh: | I don't follow |
| [15:16:22] | Dibblah: | ... Is that the end of the log? |
| [15:16:38] | justinh: | no it's just that recurring for every channel & offset |
| [15:17:00] | justinh: | until it ends with no channels found |
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| [15:20:09] | justinh: | well, changing the parameters hasn't done it any good |
| [15:20:20] | justinh: | so what else makes a full scan different to a tuned scan? |
| [15:20:56] | Dibblah: | Full believes the SDT (istr) |
| [15:21:22] | Dibblah: | Can break with repeaters, I think. |
| [15:21:52] | justinh: | there's no SDT to follow if it doesn't even lock ;-) |
| [15:22:05] | justinh: | there's something more fundamental |
| [15:22:07] | justinh: | must be |
| [15:23:27] | Dibblah: | Are you sure it doesn't get a lock on the first channel? |
| [15:23:40] | justinh: | absolutely |
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| [15:23:49] | justinh: | this is a tuned scan |
| [15:23:50] | justinh: | 2009-11–27 15:22:35.017 SM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen() Match() Wait(Sig,) |
| [15:23:54] | justinh: | 2009-11–27 15:22:35.128 DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): UpdateValues — Signal Locked |
| [15:24:19] | justinh: | the top line is the first one where Wait(sig) is mentioned |
| [15:24:39] | justinh: | so it's got a lock in approx 100ms |
| [15:25:21] | Dibblah: | No – I mean it reads the NIT |
| [15:25:21] | justinh: | http://pastebin.ca/1689642 |
| [15:25:31] | Dibblah: | And then ignores everything else. |
| [15:25:35] | justinh: | it can't read the fscking NIT |
| [15:25:38] | oobe: | what happens if you increase the signal timeout |
| [15:25:41] | justinh: | it doesn't get a lock on ANYTHING |
| [15:25:59] | justinh: | a full scan doesn't find an active signal anywhere on the whole band |
| [15:26:09] | justinh: | but when I do a tuned scan it does |
| [15:26:35] | Dibblah: | I know that full scan used to be borked. |
| [15:26:40] | justinh: | finds the 1st one – the frequency I enter. AND the other muxes presumably from the NIT |
| [15:26:50] | Dibblah: | What about 'scan all known transports'? |
| [15:26:55] | justinh: | that works |
| [15:27:31] | justinh: | I know what WORKS damnit. I want to know why full scan isn't working so I might look into it and/or help fix it |
| [15:28:07] | justinh: | because expecting users to know the ins & outs of DVB is frankly outrageous. It'd be much nicer if the first thing most users try just worked :) |
| [15:28:38] | Dibblah: | No argument here. |
| [15:28:48] | justinh: | so this isn't me having a problem with scanning & becoming frustrated at not being able to get channels in |
| [15:28:49] | Dibblah: | However, simpler may just be rip out the complexity. |
| [15:28:55] | justinh: | I'm putting myself in the users shoes |
| [15:29:17] | Dibblah: | Ah, right – You don't mean tuned scan, do you? |
| [15:29:29] | justinh: | tuned scan. she worky |
| [15:29:30] | Dibblah: | You mean the "scan entire band" thing. |
| [15:29:38] | justinh: | FULL SCAN. Yes :) |
| [15:29:45] | Dibblah: | Many apologies. |
| [15:29:49] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [15:29:58] | justinh: | np |
| [15:30:05] | justinh: | one of them days eh ;-) |
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| [15:35:20] | justinh: | so I dunno. thought I was onto something with the parameters |
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| [15:42:11] | Kanerix: | holy netsplits, batman |
| [15:44:31] | justinh: | aye |
| [15:46:40] | ThisOneGuy: | totes |
| [15:46:41] | justinh: | wonder if setting heirarchy to auto helps any |
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| [15:55:10] | justinh: | arghh still no lock |
| [15:55:22] | justinh: | wonder if there's something it should be doing between changing frequencies |
| [15:55:42] | ViaNocturn85: | anyone able to point me to a setup guide for use with my Pinnacle PCTV 150e? |
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| [18:04:27] | sphery: | wow... "FREE DOUBLE memory upgrade from 4GB to 2GB ($80 value)" — now that's a deal. Pay for 4 and get 2. |
| [18:05:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:08:11] | meshe: | that's a great black friday sale |
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| [18:08:29] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [18:10:29] | sphery: | Anyone wanting to take them up on it: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/co . . . =dv6z_series |
| [18:10:47] | sphery: | (it actually does 2–4, but they're kind of promoting it poorly) |
| [18:11:17] | wagnerrp: | and 2GB of memory is not an $80 value |
| [18:12:32] | sphery: | yeah, not even with SODIMM |
| [18:12:49] | meshe: | DDR3 maybe |
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| [18:21:17] | Thom-: | does anyone know why mythtv's internal player is using the "analoge subtitle" properties for .srt files instead of the ATSC properties? |
| [18:21:50] | Thom-: | at least in those you can choose the text enlargement.. |
| [18:21:55] | sphery: | because the SRT support needs updating? |
| [18:22:25] | sphery: | i.e. it's an afterthought because absolutely 0 TV broadcasts provide SRT files. |
| [18:22:43] | Thom-: | yes, but all downloadable tv series does |
| [18:22:58] | sphery: | well, I've never found a site where it's legal to download TV series |
| [18:23:06] | sphery: | but assuming you have, then just write a patch to fix it |
| [18:23:21] | Thom-: | in germany it's a grey zone |
| [18:23:32] | sphery: | well, please don't speak gray here, then |
| [18:23:48] | sid3windr: | grey! |
| [18:24:20] | sphery: | but the point stands--someone needs to write support for it, because, after all, my EIA-708 captions /inside/ the recorded ATSC work well enough |
| [18:24:47] | sphery: | (well enough means they need work, too, but it's low on my priorities since I also have EIA-608 captions in side the same recorded ATSC shows) |
| [18:25:33] | Thom-: | what would be the best approach to start with a better srt implementing? |
| [18:25:41] | Thom-: | using the atsc code instead of the analoge one? |
| [18:25:54] | sphery: | I don't have any idea how the SRT code works, so you'd have to find it, then see what needs fixing, then fix it |
| [18:26:04] | sphery: | or find it, then find where it came from, then update to a newer version |
| [18:26:04] | GreyFoxx: | just an fyi I've seen several scripts that will ready the vbi/cc info out of a recording and stuff it into a srt file |
| [18:26:30] | Thom-: | i'm sorry i dont even know what atsc really is ;) is it some digital subtitle standard in the us? |
| [18:26:45] | wagnerrp: | its our version of DVB-T |
| [18:26:48] | GreyFoxx: | kinda like dvb-t for the us |
| [18:26:49] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm not saying we shouldn't support it--just that most developers don't have a need to since they tend to record shows where the captions are already in there |
| [18:27:13] | sphery: | and I'm guessing those who transcode don't worry about preserving captions |
| [18:27:17] | Thom-: | yes, i'd love to learn to code that |
| [18:27:23] | sphery: | (I always use captions, but I don't transcode) |
| [18:28:12] | Thom-: | well, so i'll just have to learn how the subtitle implementation in mythtv works |
| [18:30:35] | sphery: | Oh, and FWIW, the OSD stuff is being completely rewritten, now |
| [18:30:47] | sphery: | though updating the parsing code shouldn't be affected |
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| [18:31:27] | Thom-: | you mean in the actual trunk or what? |
| [18:31:55] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/libmythui-osd |
| [18:32:11] | sphery: | It's the UI portion of the OSD that's changing |
| [18:39:36] | Thom-: | i usually code under windows – can you recommend a dev ide under linux? |
| [18:40:07] | Thom-: | except for eclipse... |
| [18:40:12] | wagnerrp: | well crap... now that mythtvfs on the wiki is making me want to whip something together using the python bindings a fusepy to do file transfers |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to just dumb local access |
| [18:42:36] | wagnerrp: | looks like maybe 20 minutes of work |
| [18:44:09] | sphery: | I don't get mythtvfs--why not just use symlinks and |
| [18:44:13] | sphery: | get multiple view |
| [18:44:18] | wagnerrp: | that was my comment |
| [18:44:46] | wagnerrp: | but it could be very useful if it supported access over the backend socket |
| [18:44:49] | sphery: | and for some reason, people on -users list are saying that mythrename.pl --link is disfavored and mythtvfs is the preferred solution???? |
| [18:44:51] | wagnerrp: | rather than just local file access |
| [18:45:02] | sphery: | that would be interesting |
| [18:45:20] | sphery: | good for multiple backends with disconnected file systems |
| [18:45:57] | sphery: | though I kind of like seeing only the local files (as if I'm copying a 6GiB file, I'd prefer to copy it across the 'net only once instead of in 2 hops) |
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| [18:46:29] | wagnerrp: | well it would be intelligent, using local access if available |
| [18:47:00] | sphery: | yeah, but I'm saying that not having access to the file if not local means that /I/ don't have to be intelligent |
| [18:47:06] | sphery: | and check to see where it exists before I copy it |
| [18:47:19] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [18:47:34] | sphery: | of course, I mainly just copy files from my production box to my dev box for testing, so... |
| [18:47:54] | sphery: | (have been taking DVD's on trips since they're much less heat strain on the laptop) |
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| [18:48:20] | wagnerrp: | less strain than using the hard drive? |
| [18:48:40] | sphery: | so, neither the wiki nor the mythtvfs home page say anything about mythrename.pl, so I have no idea why users say it's the preferred approach |
| [18:48:46] | wagnerrp: | i find that hard to believe |
| [18:48:54] | sphery: | less heat strain caused by decoding and displaying HDTV versus SDTV |
| [18:48:59] | wagnerrp: | (see the discussion post) |
| [18:49:01] | sphery: | SDTV is a doddle |
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| [18:49:59] | wagnerrp: | where have people been talking about mythtvfs, the wiki post is the first ive heard of it actually |
| [18:50:09] | sphery: | yeah, your comment is good--just wonder where stuff like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406957#406957 comes from |
| [18:50:42] | sphery: | "In any case; from everything I have read mythtvfs is the preferred way of doing this now. you mount a mythtvfs instance on a mountpoint and creates what appear to be symlinks to your recordings." |
| [18:51:16] | wagnerrp: | why cant you use fuse over samba? |
| [18:51:52] | sphery: | they say benefits are that it a) doesn't "flog your system" and b) is real time ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406101#406101 ) |
| [18:52:19] | sphery: | Though, since mythtvfs would be querying the DB on /every/ access (including tab-filename-completion), I'd think it would be /much/ worse than a static view |
| [18:52:43] | wagnerrp: | ok... i have my system set up to run every 5 after, two instances of mythrename.pl |
| [18:52:51] | wagnerrp: | with over 100 recordings |
| [18:53:34] | wagnerrp: | and i see no CPU spikes |
| [18:53:37] | sphery: | Mine runs 5 instances every 3min after with >1150 recordings (on 2 separate backend hosts with disconnected file systems) |
| [18:54:03] | wagnerrp: | i do have a spike every 3 hours, not sure what that is |
| [18:54:05] | sphery: | and mine is on an Athlon XP 2400+ and Athlon XP 2000+ and both the master and remote backend run it at the same time |
| [18:54:24] | skd5aner: | Hey everyone |
| [18:54:35] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is the 30min avg |
| [18:54:38] | sphery: | and if you used http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5379 , you could use inotify/dnotify/whatever to make mythrename.pl real time, too |
| [18:54:43] | wagnerrp: | rather worthless if im running it every 30 minutes |
| [18:55:10] | sphery: | I do see a spike when it runs, but it's not a big deal |
| [18:56:13] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt use it just because of that filename structure they use |
| [18:56:23] | wagnerrp: | its awful |
| [18:56:40] | skd5aner: | a while back, I know there were specific optimzation flags recommended for mounting NFS shares, but I think I've caught some word that the defaults are recommended – is that correct? |
| [18:56:41] | wagnerrp: | im surprised it doesnt risk hittin the 255 character limit |
| [18:57:11] | sphery: | I need to get my current project done so I can fix mythrename.pl. It will a) remove the rename actual recording files support (allowing only rename to "standard" filenames) to close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7535 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4932 and b) add http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5379 (filename) and chanid/starttime support (for user jobs) and c) (to be continued) |
| [18:57:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, it does hit the 255-char limit--that's what 4932 is about |
| [18:57:38] | sphery: | and if you have a Windows file system, you have a 256char path limit, so if your view dir is way down deep... |
| [18:57:55] | sphery: | that's why I'm removing the rename recording file support :) |
| [18:58:38] | sphery: | c) make it so that it always does links unless you specifically ask it to rename to standard names |
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| [19:02:28] | wagnerrp: | any sense letting one delete recordings through such a system? |
| [19:02:54] | wagnerrp: | it seems useful at first glance, but i fear it would only end in tears |
| [19:03:01] | sphery: | through the bidings system, it's your call |
| [19:03:22] | sphery: | I think it would make accidents far more likely |
| [19:03:36] | sphery: | errant wildcards or copy/paste errors or ... |
| [19:03:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the other thing, its all using the bindings so there is hardly ever any need to update it |
| [19:04:00] | sphery: | but I'm sure that XBMC would love you for it |
| [19:04:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why mythtvfs wasnt built against the myth libraries |
| [19:04:28] | sphery: | what? design it appropriately? |
| [19:04:44] | sphery: | that's for lusers who aren't smart enough to re-invent the wheel. |
| [19:05:18] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
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| [19:05:38] | wagnerrp: | well its 3 years old, so the python stuff wasnt around |
| [19:05:47] | wagnerrp: | but they should still have been able to link into the libraries |
| [19:06:55] | sphery: | yeah, gmyth has been around for a long time--even if not well loved |
| [19:08:46] | wagnerrp: | should probably have a DB table to store filename formats |
| [19:09:06] | wagnerrp: | so you can do multiple from one FS mount |
| [19:10:00] | wagnerrp: | no, people might want to have different mounts in different locations |
| [19:10:17] | sphery: | I'd say leave it out of the DB |
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| [19:10:29] | sphery: | if it's not proper Myth, it doesn't belong in there |
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| [19:10:40] | sphery: | configuration file would be fine |
| [19:13:38] | Thom-: | guys, maybe a stupid question, but how can i produce a debug output for the code? like echo filename, but maybe in the logfile? |
| [19:13:57] | wagnerrp: | what about caching? keep a database query around for a minute before marking it stale and refreshing the recordings list? |
| [19:14:53] | sphery: | Thom-: use: VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, QString("Your message here: %1").arg(variable_value)); |
| [19:15:04] | Thom-: | thank you sphery |
| [19:15:19] | sphery: | Thom-: also, it seems you may have just wanted SRT subtitles to be /rendered/ differently (i.e. if you're not saying that the SRT file format is different) |
| [19:15:31] | sphery: | if so, that's a whole different thing from what I thought |
| [19:15:50] | sphery: | I'm sure there's a valid reason they're rendered as |
| [19:16:00] | sphery: | "normal" captions rather than EIA-708 captions |
| [19:16:20] | Thom-: | yes, but the normal captions system is a little bit simple |
| [19:16:25] | sphery: | probably because they don't have the info that EIA-708 captions have (and provide only the type of info that EIA-608 provides) |
| [19:16:29] | Thom-: | you can't even change the fontsize |
| [19:16:32] | sphery: | right |
| [19:16:37] | Thom-: | so thats my first try |
| [19:16:38] | sphery: | as that's not allowed by the spec |
| [19:16:38] | Thom-: | bigger fonts |
| [19:16:40] | Thom-: | :D |
| [19:17:03] | Thom-: | why should it not be allowed? |
| [19:17:04] | sphery: | the spec basically says to make them somewhere between 1/15 and 1/21 the screen height |
| [19:17:13] | sphery: | because it was designed in 1921 |
| [19:17:27] | wagnerrp: | is that why they use a video feed for subtitles now? to get around the spec? |
| [19:17:41] | sphery: | EIA-708 was designed in an age where computers and fonts actually existed (OK, so a bit of an exaggeration on the timeline for EIA-608) |
| [19:17:48] | Thom-: | yes, but why not implement a method to let the user decide himself? |
| [19:18:01] | sphery: | because we have EIA-608 support |
| [19:18:08] | sphery: | not "what we felt like" support :) |
| [19:18:35] | wagnerrp: | the user cant be trusted? |
| [19:18:35] | Thom-: | I'm sorry i don't know anything about the standards |
| [19:18:42] | Thom-: | in germany you mostly don't get any subs from the tv |
| [19:18:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the EIA-608 and EIA-708 captions are still captions. DVD's used images because it was simpler to implement while allowing infinite control by the production co |
| [19:19:01] | Thom-: | all what we use is the subs on our dvds and mostly srts |
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| [19:19:29] | sphery: | Germany has DVB subtitles in their DVB--which are images (and, therefore, can't be changed by the users) |
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| [19:20:07] | wagnerrp: | left to their own devices, the user would somehow find a way to render as 100pt wingdings |
| [19:20:13] | wagnerrp: | and then come in here looking for help |
| [19:20:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:20:40] | sphery: | yeah--though they can change fonts with EIA-708 |
| [19:20:58] | sphery: | the changing of font size is allowed, but not required by the 708 spec (we don't yet support it) |
| [19:20:58] | janneg: | we have also teletext subtitles |
| [19:21:04] | Thom-: | ok besides of the standards – in windows you can use directvobsub for subtitles and you get really good looking subtitles |
| [19:21:09] | Thom-: | yes, but who uses them? |
| [19:22:13] | Thom-: | is there not any analog tool like directvobsub for the linuxworld?= |
| [19:22:14] | sphery: | I'm guessing that as long as you did a new path for SRT subtitle rendering (i.e. didn't change around the EIA-608/708 stuff), you could do most anything you wanted with them |
| [19:22:21] | sphery: | adding support for color/font/size/... |
| [19:22:33] | Brad-D: | I have two backends now (master and slave). I have all my transcoded videos on the slave backend in various storage group directories (/videos1, /videos2/, etc). When i use mythfrontend on the slave backend machine, it connects to the videos and lists all the subdirectories under the video directories. But when I mythfrontend on the master backend, it lists all the /video1, /video2, etc. directories (and then i can select to |
| [19:22:33] | Brad-D: | go into the subdirectories). Is there a way I can fix this? |
| [19:22:52] | sphery: | but you'd have to ask someone who knows more about the captions/OSD renderers/playback stuff in Myth |
| [19:23:12] | sphery: | and, if it's just rendering, it /will/ be affected by the OSD rewrite |
| [19:23:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: caching results makes a lot of sense |
| [19:23:51] | Thom-: | do you know how far the osd rewrite development is? |
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| [19:24:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im just wondering what a reasonable time limit would be |
| [19:24:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also, when I (read Captain_Murdoch--who seems to have already started and is nearing completion) finish the event subsystem, you would be able to react to new recordings/LiveTV without even using inotify/dnotify |
| [19:25:10] | sphery: | (that being my way of saying, I think he's basically done it, but if he hasn't, I will) |
| [19:25:44] | wagnerrp: | it that something that would be pumped over the backend socket? |
| [19:25:55] | SirColin: | hi could someone tell me how to remove all recording, I have nuked the file but the old deleted stuff still shows in recordings |
| [19:25:57] | wagnerrp: | something the bindings would need to start listening for? |
| [19:26:08] | sphery: | right |
| [19:26:45] | sphery: | though, really, only a bindings app that's connected would be really listening |
| [19:26:55] | sphery: | so you'd write your fuse app to listen for it |
| [19:27:19] | sphery: | or, you'd just run mythrename.pl --link one or more times as a result of the event |
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| [19:27:39] | sphery: | (it will allow users to run random scripts as a result of events) |
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| [19:29:17] | Thom-: | does anyone know a good "how does the make and make install stuff work under linux" tutorial? I'd like to try the changed code without killing my now well working mythtv installation |
| [19:29:42] | sphery: | SirColin: Enter Watch Recordings, select the recording (if in 0.21-fixes, wait a few seconds), then INFO|Delete |
| [19:29:56] | sphery: | then it will ask you if you want to delete it, and say yes |
| [19:30:33] | sphery: | Thom-: since it's all a single install, it's going to overwrite it |
| [19:30:43] | sphery: | so, you'll affect the real install |
| [19:30:56] | sphery: | there are tricks you /could/ use to load different libs, but it's not worth the effort |
| [19:31:09] | Thom-: | so how do you do it? on a second machine? |
| [19:31:13] | sphery: | best solution is development on a separate dev box |
| [19:31:13] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:31:30] | sphery: | I have 3 myth systems for production and a single box for development |
| [19:31:36] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i should force some hash into the filename format |
| [19:31:58] | wagnerrp: | just to ensure the name is something identifiable, regardless of what format the user chooses |
| [19:32:15] | Thom-: | i only have two pcs... and if i remove windows on the other one my girlfriend will let me sleep on the couch for the next months |
| [19:32:16] | Thom-: | :D |
| [19:32:35] | wagnerrp: | run a virtual machine? |
| [19:32:53] | wagnerrp: | although youre doing all frontend stuff |
| [19:32:57] | wagnerrp: | that wouldnt be pretty |
| [19:33:39] | sphery: | dual-boot |
| [19:34:11] | wagnerrp: | all that time on the couch will give you more time to program! |
| [19:34:59] | Thom-: | :D but if she stops cooking for me i will starve |
| [19:35:20] | Thom-: | yeah dualboot may be the best idea |
| [19:35:49] | wagnerrp: | use chroot |
| [19:35:57] | wagnerrp: | just create an additional install |
| [19:36:01] | wagnerrp: | in some other directory |
| [19:36:18] | wagnerrp: | when you want to use it, mount /dev and /proc in there, chroot, and run |
| [19:37:08] | Thom-: | mhm you mean a complete ubuntu install for example? |
| [19:37:17] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
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| [19:38:25] | Thom-: | ok i'll better read the chroot documentation |
| [19:38:25] | Thom-: | ;) |
| [19:38:45] | wagnerrp: | read the gentoo install docs |
| [19:38:54] | wagnerrp: | that process is just standard installation procedure for gentoo |
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| [19:50:14] | skd5aner: | is this guide still good/relavent: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Performance |
| [19:50:54] | justinh: | a good deal of it |
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| [19:51:08] | Dagmar: | A lot of it's just silly talk |
| [19:51:24] | justinh: | look at the history link & see what the last changes were |
| [19:51:35] | Dagmar: | Such as the chicken-bone rattling involved in "combat fragmentation" |
| [19:51:43] | justinh: | heh yeah there is that |
| [19:52:44] | Dagmar: | Unless you've done something really wrong from the outset, a filesystem that keeps a bunch of >Gb files isn't going to fragment significantly anytime soon |
| [19:53:07] | skd5aner: | eh – was just seeing if I should update my /etc/fstab |
| [19:53:16] | skd5aner: | haven't looked it in like like ~3 years |
| [19:53:21] | justinh: | depends what kind of throughput you have & what sort of size variation |
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| [19:53:41] | justinh: | on a 2 year old partition with 50% free space I had about 90% fragmentation |
| [19:54:01] | skd5aner: | 192.168.1.200:/mythtv/recordings/area1 /mythtv/recordings/area1 nfs soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,async,nfsv |
| [19:54:01] | skd5aner: | ers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp |
| [19:54:12] | Dagmar: | ...and by "90% fragmentation" what exactly do you mean? |
| [19:54:13] | skd5aner: | that's what I've got in my SBE/FE |
| [19:54:25] | skd5aner: | for my recordings directory |
| [19:54:26] | Dagmar: | If 90% of the files had at least one discontiguous segment, who cares |
| [19:54:43] | Dagmar: | If 90% of all reads are non-contiguous, god hates you somehow |
| [19:56:16] | Dagmar: | The atime thing is pretty close to useless tho |
| [19:56:17] | skd5aner: | sorry – I guess I didn't realize the wiki article covered more than NFS |
| [19:56:27] | skd5aner: | that's really what I'm focusing on right now :) |
| [19:56:48] | Dagmar: | You can use bonnie++ to mess around with your NFS tuning |
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| [19:59:49] | sphery: | Dagmar: that "keeps" them won't fragment. That makes multiple multi-gigabyte files concurrently over a period of an hour or so /will/ fragment. |
| [20:00:17] | sphery: | multiple file systems /is/ a good way to prevent fragmentation |
| [20:00:40] | Dagmar: | I wasn't saying it didn't |
| [20:00:52] | sphery: | ah, wasn't sure which part was the chicken-bone rattling |
| [20:01:11] | sphery: | maybe you meant the xfs specific stuff? |
| [20:01:38] | sphery: | or the description of the effects |
| [20:01:46] | Dagmar: | Description of the effects. |
| [20:01:51] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [20:02:05] | sphery: | ok, this time I /really/ have to go... later all |
| [20:02:05] | Dagmar: | Disk head switch/seek times now are *nothing* like they used to be |
| [20:03:25] | iamlindoro: | $49 iPhones at AT&T right now for anyone interested |
| [20:03:49] | iamlindoro: | Had been meaning to replace my busted-ass phone for a while, $49 for an iPhone 3GS doesn't seem bad |
| [20:04:03] | iamlindoro: | (refurb) |
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| [20:04:42] | iamlindoro: | And maybe then I'll work on proper Myth iPhone features :) |
| [20:05:07] | CoreDump|home: | if you are into the Google stuff, be sure to check out an Android phone |
| [20:05:34] | iamlindoro: | Unless they've got a $49 phone right when I need one, it's unlikely ;) |
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| [20:05:40] | M0nk3Eee: | Hi all, I have installed the mythtv 0.22+fixes from ubuntu repo and am having a problem with certain channels repeating. It seems to repeat when it is about to go to commercial break or the program is about to start again. It seems to do it with E4 and e4+1 the most.... . any ideas? |
| [20:05:47] | [R]: | does anyone here do net boot their frontend? |
| [20:06:11] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: seems your seektables are borked. run mysqlcheck etc |
| [20:06:14] | justinh: | [R]: yes thanks |
| [20:06:33] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: 200 android phones in the works over the next 3 years – I would expect you should be able to find a subsidized android phone for <$50 pretty easily, pretty soon |
| [20:06:34] | [R]: | justinh: i'm using ubuntu and in their init scripts it makes a call to ipconfig and it hangs for me... do you know anything about that? |
| [20:06:58] | justinh: | [R]: can't remember, but I had to jump through some hoops to make it work |
| [20:07:00] | iamlindoro: | But I'm perfectly happy with the iPhone, so....? |
| [20:07:05] | M0nk3Eee: | the database is the same one i have been using since .18 which i guess has been upgraded with all the upgrades i have done over time |
| [20:07:10] | skd5aner: | ... just sayin; |
| [20:07:16] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:07:18] | [R]: | justinh: i figrued out the hoops i have to jump through and it works... but i dont like how i made it work |
| [20:07:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro: apple is evil, google is evil.. but which one is better ? ;-) |
| [20:07:36] | justinh: | [R]: I don't care how I made it work :) |
| [20:07:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:07:43] | M0nk3Eee: | on thing that did happen recently in the uk which maybe has an impact is that we had to do a freeview retune recently since the channels switched frequencies, could that be part of the problem? |
| [20:07:58] | iamlindoro: | I am about as interested in phone wars as I am in distro wars |
| [20:08:08] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: the channels would either work or not. not almost |
| [20:08:15] | M0nk3Eee: | after i did the rescan i then went into the channels table and had to edit the numbers again |
| [20:08:17] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: check the db integrity, seriously |
| [20:08:26] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: could be a TZ discrepancy too |
| [20:08:30] | M0nk3Eee: | oh okay will do |
| [20:08:36] | justinh: | or just *time* itself between the BE & FE |
| [20:08:48] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: does ordinary seeking work ok? |
| [20:09:10] | M0nk3Eee: | when you say seeking you mean just fast forwarding and rewinding when watchin live tele? |
| [20:10:12] | justinh: | yeah and arbitrary skipping like going 5 right arrow |
| [20:10:24] | justinh: | and no I meant watching recordings |
| [20:11:10] | M0nk3Eee: | it works fine on channels without any problem, i havn't tried recording stuff from the channels that keep repeating |
| [20:11:51] | M0nk3Eee: | I think its just one channel that is repeating possibly two |
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| [20:14:55] | justinh: | get that mysqlcheck going. see what state the recordedseek table is in |
| [20:15:28] | M0nk3Eee: | justinh i have just run a mysql check on mysqlconverg and the only table that has an issue is weatherdatalayout and i think i know why that is, i messed it up i think when playing with something |
| [20:15:34] | M0nk3Eee: | all the other tables come back okay |
| [20:15:40] | justinh: | ok then |
| [20:15:40] | wesw02: | I just upgraded to 0.22 and after multiple attempts to migrate my database I abandoned and started from scratch. Now that I have everything up and running I'd like to migrate the contents of my "oldrecorded" table to the new database. Is it safe to just import the contents from the old table or has the schema changed in relation to "oldrecorded" |
| [20:15:51] | justinh: | grrr |
| [20:16:04] | M0nk3Eee: | i just typed mysqlcheck mythconverg -u blah -p blah |
| [20:16:11] | RoccoSiff: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1690004 < I cant get my technisat S2 card working |
| [20:16:21] | RoccoSiff: | Im guessing its the drivers, but Im lost at what to do |
| [20:16:21] | justinh: | RoccoSiff: see #linuxtv |
| [20:16:27] | RoccoSiff: | alright, thanks |
| [20:16:44] | Brad-D: | iamlindoro: Is there a way I can get mythvideo to not display the storage group directory names? (as they are essentially just containers) I have one mythfrontend that does this, and one that doesn't. Can't figure out how to change for the life of me |
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| [20:16:53] | justinh: | don't expect a lightning fast response in #linuxtv though |
| [20:17:05] | justinh: | Brad-D: it's theme dependent |
| [20:17:22] | Brad-D: | justin: really? hmmm i think i'm using graphite for both themes |
| [20:17:23] | RoccoSiff: | Im not in a hurry |
| [20:17:29] | Brad-D: | i will check that out |
| [20:17:30] | justinh: | Brad-D: pretty sure |
| [20:17:49] | justinh: | I think it's the "breadcrumbs" textarea |
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| [20:18:26] | Brad-D: | thanks, that definitely helps |
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| [20:20:07] | iamlindoro: | Sounds more like using file browse/flat view on one of the frontends |
| [20:20:12] | iamlindoro: | some combination of both |
| [20:20:21] | Brad-D: | err i just checked breadcrumbs, and it shows the path to the directory you are in? my problem is that one frontend it shows folders of all storage groups (e.g. /videos1 /videos2 /videos3), and the other frontend just shows the contents in the storagegroup folders |
| [20:20:24] | Brad-D: | ahh that makes sense |
| [20:20:28] | Brad-D: | i think i was messing around with that |
| [20:20:31] | M0nk3Eee: | i was running an svn version of mythtv that i had compiled before you released the stable version of .22 and this is when the problem happened with the repeating channels. I came into this channel and someone said that it was a bug that they new about, they told me to upgrade to the latest svn which i didn't do at the time but when i saw that .22 had then hit the ubuntu repos i thought that would fix it but upgrading to that so i removed the compiled v |
| [20:20:33] | Brad-D: | will go check |
| [20:21:05] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: ubuntu repos were probably older than the fixed version |
| [20:21:40] | Brad-D: | iamlindoro: also i may have found a small bug in mythvideo (but also could be a bug between chair and keyboard). this morning i deleted all my storage groups, and tried to go into mythvideo. It was segfaulting for me every time, but as soon as i added a video storage group it was fine again |
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| [20:21:59] | Brad-D: | not sure if you check for a valid storage group before entering mythvideo |
| [20:22:09] | Brad-D: | just a thought, i can test more thoroughly if you think it is worthwhile |
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| [20:22:55] | M0nk3Eee: | the version in the repo is 0.22.0+fixes22594 |
| [20:23:37] | Dagmar: | Argh. |
| [20:23:44] | Dagmar: | Some of the stuff on this opimization page is just wtrong. |
| [20:23:52] | Dagmar: | "Under some circumstances, X can use huge amounts of CPU. This can be fixed in some cases by increasing its priority above the base value of 0 (i.e. to a negative value). E.g. renice -10 [pid for X] |
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| [20:25:07] | justinh: | hmm this scanner issue is strange |
| [20:30:32] | iamlindoro: | Hahahahoh please PLEASE let this happen: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/ . . . run-in-2012/ |
| [20:33:31] | M0nk3Eee: | if my version installed from the repos is 0.22.0+fixes22594 how can i tell if that is the stable version most likley to fix my problems? |
| [20:33:35] | iamlindoro: | because I would love not to have to worry, at all, about the republican ticket |
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| [20:34:18] | i_is_cat: | anyone know why when i press buttons on my remote which should be mapping to irexec, it just gives me this: MythMainWindow, Warning: Attempt to convert LIRC key sequence '/usr/local/bin/chan_ch' to a Qt key sequence failed. and does nothing? |
| [20:34:25] | M0nk3Eee: | does the 22594 represent something to do with the version from the svn? |
| [20:34:41] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [20:36:04] | i_is_cat: | irexec was working for powering on/off my tv but i wanted the tv button on the remote to launch mythfrontend in case it crashes. irexec *was* started in rc.local and the power button worked fine that way but the tv button wasnt doing anything i found out it was trying to launch mythfrontend without a display set |
| [20:37:07] | i_is_cat: | so i tried making a little script to set the display and then launch the frontend but then i got no output from irexec at all so i changed irexec from loading in rc.local to the autostart of xfce and now im getting the weird myth error when i press power and tv |
| [20:38:06] | i_is_cat: | the weird thing is that if i launch irexec manually the power and tv buttons work but if it starts in rc.local only the power button works and if it starts in xfce autostart it worked the first time and now it just gives me that error |
| [20:38:07] | Dagmar: | Apps which will attach to X must be started by the user that started X. |
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| [20:38:14] | Dagmar: | X will by default reject connections from other uids. |
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| [20:38:49] | i_is_cat: | so then shouldnt irexec being launched by xfce's autostart attach it to X? |
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| [20:39:22] | Dagmar: | If you're using XFCE's autostart stuff to start the frontend, use it to start irexec as well |
| [20:39:24] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: the jamu cron job (why is it enabled by default?) messed up all my titles this morning :/ |
| [20:39:49] | i_is_cat: | i actually made an irex and put in export DISPLAY=:0 and then the irexec command and i use irex to launch it so shouldnt that work? |
| [20:40:01] | i_is_cat: | Dagmar, i did and thats whats giving me these myth messages |
| [20:40:23] | Dagmar: | irexec doesn't attach to X for one thing. |
| [20:40:39] | i_is_cat: | ya i didnt think so which is why i made irex with the display exporting |
| [20:40:45] | Dagmar: | DISPLAY=:0.0 will likely nee to be in the environment of the process (mythfrontend) that it starts, however. |
| [20:40:52] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: That was the choice of the Mythbuntu folks. They were having success with Jamu. What options messed up your titles? |
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| [20:41:15] | i_is_cat: | ok i'll try 0.0 |
| [20:41:16] | justinh: | curses. bloody channel icons |
| [20:41:16] | Saviq: | -M |
| [20:41:38] | i_is_cat: | i just killed mythfrontend and now my tv powered on and off and on and off and on and off and on and off |
| [20:42:00] | Dagmar: | i_is_cat: If it doesn't, make irexec launch mythfrontend in such a way that you get a _log_ of what happened |
| [20:42:00] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: and that's gentoo, btw |
| [20:42:07] | i_is_cat: | its like myth is diverting the signal or something |
| [20:42:22] | Dagmar: | i.e., `DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend 2>&1 > /tmp/irfoobarlog.txt` |
| [20:42:26] | justinh: | it's mythblockingfield in effect |
| [20:42:38] | i_is_cat: | ok ill try that |
| [20:42:40] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: The most recent Jamu release v0.6.0 adheres to the MythVideo standard of using the TMDB title for Movies. Gentoo I did not know there were any conjobs set up by any one. |
| [20:42:48] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: it reset all titles for movies and series that had all metadata correctly filled |
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| [20:42:56] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: there are not |
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| [20:43:39] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: So I am a little confused. Who set up the cronjob on your system if it is not Mythbuntu? |
| [20:43:56] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: Evil hax0rs |
| [20:43:57] | Saviq: | the gentoo ebuild, I suppose |
| [20:44:06] | wagnerrp: | Saviq: it did not |
| [20:44:19] | wagnerrp: | not unless that was something done very recently |
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| [20:45:06] | Saviq: | wagnerrp: [ Searching for file(s) /etc/cron.daily/mythvideo in *... ] |
| [20:45:06] | Saviq: | media-plugins/mythvideo-0.22_p22864-r1 (/etc/cron.daily/mythvideo) |
| [20:45:49] | i_is_cat: | fudge.. need a keybr0ad lol |
| [20:45:51] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Second Jamu is is only following MythVideo standards for title names. Previously for v0.6.0 it was doing that for TV Series and only in the last release changed to add movies. |
| [20:46:03] | wagnerrp: | yep... the official ebuilds do not install jamu as a cron |
| [20:46:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: linux faeries! |
| [20:46:46] | wagnerrp: | so either youre using someone's third party stuff, or you added it yourself |
| [20:46:55] | Saviq: | http://gentoo-portage.com/media-plugins/mythvideo |
| [20:47:09] | Saviq: | wagnerrp: see the last one |
| [20:47:12] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I was approached by a person last week who wanted to add Jamu cronjobs to Gentoo just like was done with Mythbuntu. |
| [20:48:08] | justinh: | is all this wise, with the current load situation? |
| [20:49:01] | wagnerrp: | huh... wonder why grep didnt find that |
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| [20:49:47] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Are the new titles correct according to TVDB and TMDB? If they are then that would be the same result as if you used MythVideo to load your metadata. |
| [20:50:00] | Saviq: | Saviq: no, they're filenames |
| [20:50:41] | justinh: | rrrrr. still no scanning joy with a full scan. timeout values immaterial. gonna try with another card see if it's driver-ish |
| [20:50:42] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Check the jamu version ./jamu -v you should be using v0.6.0 |
| [20:50:47] | Saviq: | and I use a custom script that loads polish titles and stuff, jamu should use whatever is set in the settings table, no? |
| [20:50:53] | justinh: | either way it doesn't bode well for mister noob |
| [20:51:10] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: 0.5.9 |
| [20:51:54] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: There is no setting to to change the behaviour away from what MythVideo would do. |
| [20:52:30] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: in mythvideo you can specify your own script for downloading posters / metadata |
| [20:52:47] | Saviq: | that is set to ttvdb.py / tmdb.pl by default |
| [20:53:10] | Saviq: | but if the user changes it, Jamu should use those... |
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| [20:53:57] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Jamu does not directly use either of those scripts but does use the same api to TMDB and TVDB that those grabber scripts use. |
| [20:54:28] | Saviq: | yes, and that, IMO is a problem – why not use those set in the database? you're integrated into Myth anyway |
| [20:55:02] | Saviq: | and anyway if a video has inetref and season / episode, it should never rewrite those values |
| [20:55:21] | Saviq: | only grab metadata and posters for these |
| [20:55:57] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: From what you just wrote you should not use Jamu as you want your own script. Jamu only changed title not inetref/season#/episode# |
| [20:56:46] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: it must've changed them, 'cause I had it all ready yesterday |
| [20:56:52] | Saviq: | and today they're gone |
| [20:57:04] | Saviq: | Jamu is the only suspect, sorry :/ |
| [20:58:05] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: If you are capable of writing your own script it should not be too hard to get your titles back. Jamu does not support your own grabber scripts over the processing emulation of MythVideo. |
| [20:59:17] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: ok it didn't change inetref, but episode/season number, yes – as it didn't consider my files to be tv series (we talked yesterday about the folder patch) |
| [21:00:20] | M0nk3Eee: | what i don't understand with my problem of the repeating live tv is, how does mythtv know that its just about to cut to a break or the program is just about to start again, i didn't think it did any commercial flagging in real time. |
| [21:00:46] | M0nk3Eee: | my commercial flagging is set to run as a job after midnight |
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| [21:01:19] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Funny you ask about the patch as I am testing it now but it is considered and enhancement and will only be added to trunk but not fixes. If it is accepted at all (not my call). |
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| [21:02:52] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: I'm not complaining, the script definitely is great for many people, I just was devastated by the fact that it didn't take what was already in the database but reinvent the wheel completely :/ |
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| [21:03:07] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: it's not a commercial skipping issue AFAIK |
| [21:03:23] | Saviq: | even if it used ttvdb / tmdb, it should use data already available in the database |
| [21:04:14] | justinh: | aha! doing a full scan with a different dvb-t tuner with all default settings & it just works |
| [21:04:27] | justinh: | a non-issue. junk card. Avermedia junk |
| [21:05:08] | justinh: | well, maybe a broken driver |
| [21:05:23] | iamlindoro: | Saviq, It sounds like you have an issue with your packager, not Jamu |
| [21:05:35] | Saviq: | iamlindoro: yeah, that, too |
| [21:05:44] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: There is nothing I can say but that is how Jamu works. As I wrote above jamu may not be for you. |
| [21:05:46] | iamlindoro: | If it was made a non-optional cron job, that's your packager's problem, not RDV_Linux's |
| [21:06:10] | iamlindoro: | It's a script precisely because it's the user's responsibility to research it and decide whether or not to use it |
| [21:06:57] | iamlindoro: | And how it should or shouldn't behave is up to the person writing it, who wrote it for their own use. It works fine for him, if you want it to work a different way, the source is yours to do with as you please |
| [21:08:12] | justinh: | SO. 'broken' driver or whatever, the issue is going to appear for some unlucky users. Document around it or dig deeper? CBA to do either right now |
| [21:08:43] | Saviq: | iamlindoro: yes, you are right, of course, I just wanted to know, really, that it actually is the default behavior |
| [21:08:49] | M0nk3Eee: | just found another channel that has the same problem, virgin1 and virgin+1 does anyone know of anything these channels have in common? |
| [21:09:09] | justinh: | M0nk3Eee: hardly anyone here even uses livetv |
| [21:09:20] | M0nk3Eee: | when i say these channels i mean virgin1 virgin+1, e4 and e4+1 |
| [21:09:36] | M0nk3Eee: | aahhh.. i c |
| [21:10:09] | justinh: | and if you've previously been told the bug is fixed in a later version, get a version which has a rev of at least that |
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| [21:11:04] | justinh: | gawd, I've wasted all day looking at the scanning 'problem' & it turned out to be the crappy card. BAH |
| [21:19:05] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: maybe jamu should only act on the database if it found a match on either thervdb or themoviedb? that would greatly reduce the risk of mistake |
| [21:20:14] | jarle_: | animated video preview is not enabled in 0.22, or is it just a theme issue? |
| [21:20:32] | iamlindoro: | s/not enabled/doesn't exist/ |
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| [21:21:29] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I do not know what to say. Invoking jamu to get meta data IS inferring permission to update your data base. |
| [21:21:55] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: but if it didn't find a match, why should it? |
| [21:22:59] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: The match was the inetref number. With the -M option and you did not have a inetref number the video gets skipped. |
| [21:23:48] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: that was not the case for me, has that changed in 0.6.0? |
| [21:24:17] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: it didn't update any inetref number for me |
| [21:24:33] | Saviq: | it just reset the titles and episode / season numbers |
| [21:26:33] | Saviq: | that's really why I'm talking to you here – the behavior is completely weird for me – I simply suspected it of being a bug |
| [21:26:38] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: The change in v0.6.0 is that the Movie meta data title is forced to be the TMDB title rather than the video file name. I am not sure what happened when jamu does not support your TV Series file naming convention. The issue here seems to be more around jamu getting launched without your permission. |
| [21:27:52] | Saviq: | nvm, I won't bother you again |
| [21:32:53] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: You are not bothering me but I did run out of answers. |
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| [21:33:56] | quantum__: | I just upgraded my version of mythtv and I am getting the following error: ot allowed to upgrade the database. Skipping backup. |
| [21:33:56] | quantum__: | mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libmyth-0.22.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZNK10QByteArray7indexOfEPKci |
| [21:34:01] | Saviq: | but that one's simple – if jamu does not find a match on either thetvdb nor themoviedb, why does it modified this record at all? |
| [21:34:06] | Saviq: | s/does/did/ |
| [21:34:15] | quantum__: | the GUI doesn't even start |
| [21:34:26] | Saviq: | or s/modified/modify/ |
| [21:34:34] | quantum__: | seems like it killed the backend daemon after this, any body know how to fix this? |
| [21:34:42] | wagnerrp: | quantum__: have you restarted your backend? |
| [21:34:52] | quantum__: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [21:35:12] | wagnerrp: | if you are getting that error, you have never run a copy of the 0.22 backend for it to update the database |
| [21:35:23] | wagnerrp: | or, you have, and the update has failed for one reason or another |
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| [21:35:27] | wagnerrp: | usually database curruption |
| [21:35:44] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Unless I set up a test to see what/why that emulates your set up I cannot give you and answer at this time, |
| [21:35:45] | quantum__: | wagnerrp: there used to be a database repair script let me try that |
| [21:36:08] | wagnerrp: | there was an optimize script, never a repair script |
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| [21:38:23] | quantum__: | it is saying something about not allowed to upgrade database |
| [21:38:29] | quantum__: | /E_V_E_R_Y_T_H_I_N_G_2/usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.20.2/contrib/optimize_mythdb. pl |
| [21:38:42] | quantum__: | tried the optimize script but that didn't work |
| [21:39:02] | quantum__: | ran fine but still getting the error about not allowed to upgrade databsae when I run the frontend |
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| [21:40:28] | quantum__: | seems like when you upgrade to the new versoin you pretty much have to create a new databsae |
| [21:40:59] | wagnerrp: | only if your database no longer conforms to the schema for whatever reason |
| [21:41:57] | quantum__: | o.k. well let me try to make a new one and see if that resoves it |
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| [21:43:08] | eternaljoy: | With MythTV, how do I get my Ubuntu and Laptop to pick up all the TV channels without any hardware and antenna plugged into my Laptop? |
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| [21:45:34] | S2: | eternaljoy, you could ask a friend to scan for you :) |
| [21:45:45] | eternaljoy: | eh? |
| [21:46:29] | iamlindoro: | eternaljoy, MythTv is a Digital Video Recorder-- you will need tuning hardware and access to an antenna feed |
| [21:46:39] | iamlindoro: | it's not just a conduit to download shows or something |
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| [21:46:58] | quantum__: | is there a script to create a database on version .22 of mythtv. there used to be a mc.sql script |
| [21:47:09] | iamlindoro: | quantum__, it's still the same old mc.sql script |
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| [21:47:19] | iamlindoro: | in the database/ directory of the source |
| [21:48:09] | quantum__: | iamlindoro: can't find it where is it for you?' |
| [21:48:30] | quantum__: | should be in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.22 |
| [21:48:32] | iamlindoro: | in the database/ directory of the source |
| [21:48:37] | meshe: | updatedb && locate mc.sql |
| [21:48:47] | iamlindoro: | Have no idea what the above directory is, sounds like pacakged stuff |
| [21:48:54] | quantum__: | I installed from rpms |
| [21:49:00] | iamlindoro: | it's right at the top of the myth source |
| [21:49:41] | luux: | any plans to expand database choices just like Amarok and in general to use oracleDB sqlite postgres couchdb etc???? |
| [21:49:53] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [21:50:03] | luux: | :( |
| [21:50:06] | luux: | why? |
| [21:50:16] | iamlindoro: | Because myth is infinitely more complicated than Amarok |
| [21:50:45] | iamlindoro: | and has thousands of different queries tailored to MySQL, not to mention at least one that most lightweight SQL packages don't have the performance for |
| [21:51:09] | iamlindoro: | It would be a near total rewrite of all the database code, for no-to-little gain |
| [21:51:30] | luux: | alright. |
| [21:51:43] | meshe: | good answer :) |
| [21:53:05] | Brad-D: | iam: Does this mean we can't expect some sort of Wine/MS Access combo in the near future? :> |
| [21:53:21] | meshe: | as much as it sounds like a to write your sql to be totally portable, it's not fun at all |
| [21:53:22] | quantum__: | still getting New database detected. Skipping backup. |
| [21:53:22] | quantum__: | mythtv-setup: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib64/libmyth-0.22.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZNK10QByteArray7indexOfEPKci |
| [21:53:26] | iamlindoro: | I will set this channel on fire |
| [21:53:38] | ** Dagmar hands iamlindoro some accellerant ** | |
| [21:54:08] | meshe: | ummm, mysql runs on windows if you need it too |
| [21:54:08] | Dagmar: | Gotta make it go quick, or the tear down we'll have to do before Starbucks can move in will cut into profits. |
| [21:54:17] | Dagmar: | meshe: Or if you hate yourself |
| [21:54:23] | quantum__: | don't understand what this means. seems like there is something very wrong with mythtv |
| [21:54:25] | Dagmar: | quantum__: You just built that didn't you |
| [21:54:26] | meshe: | Dagmar: there is that |
| [21:54:41] | quantum__: | Dagmar: no, just installed it from the rpm package |
| [21:54:55] | Dagmar: | There's some slight differences between the default Win32 build of mysql and the typical Linux install of it that can cause some fun all by themselves. |
| [21:55:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: is that some reference to them taking your stapler away? |
| [21:55:21] | Dagmar: | quantum__: JOY! You didn't have any other versions of it installed before? |
| [21:55:36] | quantum__: | Dagmar: yes I did and it worked fine |
| [21:55:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, if so, unintentional |
| [21:56:13] | wagnerrp: | thought you were acting like the guy from office space |
| [21:56:20] | dserban: | Oooh a red stapler! |
| [21:56:26] | meshe: | i think the fire comes after he gets moved to the basement |
| [21:56:32] | ** luux is lost ** | |
| [21:56:37] | quantum__: | is it a real pain to build mythtv from the source code? |
| [21:56:46] | wagnerrp: | not at all |
| [21:56:51] | meshe: | no |
| [21:56:51] | luux: | no, emerge mythtv done |
| [21:56:56] | dserban: | wasn't the stapler the straw that broke the camel's back? |
| [21:56:58] | wagnerrp: | './configure; make; make install' and youre done |
| [21:57:26] | meshe: | no, i thought it was the paycheque that broke him |
| [21:57:29] | quantum__: | luux: is there an rpm for the source? |
| [21:57:46] | luux: | quantum__: no clue about Suse |
| [21:57:54] | Brad-D: | quantum: there are also some extremely helpful tutorials on the mythtv wiki. I use the Fedora/Mythtv/SVN howto regularily |
| [21:57:54] | wagnerrp: | paycheck, then basement, then stapler |
| [21:57:54] | dserban: | riiight... |
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| [21:58:01] | luux: | I am using gentoo. |
| [21:58:03] | quantum__: | luux: Fedora |
| [21:58:18] | quantum__: | o.k. le me see if I can find the svn repository |
| [21:58:28] | meshe: | lol |
| [21:58:31] | quantum__: | or the wiki howoto |
| [21:58:45] | meshe: | quantum__: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [21:59:04] | meshe: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki |
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| [22:07:31] | eternaljoy: | With MythTV, how do I get my Ubuntu and Laptop to pick up all the TV channels without any hardware and antenna plugged into my Laptop? |
| [22:07:57] | eternaljoy: | iamlindoro: ok ty |
| [22:08:31] | eternaljoy: | iamlindoro: I have a USB TV tuner.. will that do? |
| [22:09:13] | iamlindoro: | if the tuner is supported in linux, and supports your local TV standard, and you have an antenna or cable to connect to it, sure |
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| [22:10:40] | justinh: | *without* the tuner plugged in? in our universe you have to have all the hardware present & correct |
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| [22:11:20] | iamlindoro: | you're welcome, dickface |
| [22:12:21] | justinh: | just wondering how anyone would get mythtv to pick up all the channels without any hardware just by plugging the antenna into the laptop |
| [22:12:46] | iamlindoro: | justinh, oddly, I answered that one for him like 20 minutes ago (with more or less the same answer) |
| [22:12:55] | iamlindoro: | then he cut and pasted it again... and then read the response |
| [22:12:58] | iamlindoro: | kids these days |
| [22:13:06] | justinh: | IRC is too easy |
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| [22:33:47] | wagnerrp: | whats with all these people making wiki accounts and not actually contributing anything? |
| [22:35:10] | wagnerrp: | i mean out of 100, better than have have not edit anything |
| [22:35:16] | wagnerrp: | and one single person has a user page |
| [22:35:52] | wagnerrp: | half |
| [22:36:55] | justinh: | that is one hell of a lot of new accounts |
| [22:38:52] | Dagmar: | That's spammers, biding their time |
| [22:40:38] | wagnerrp: | wonder if you can put in some sort of rule, completely unused accounts get terminated after two weeks |
| [22:40:49] | wagnerrp: | and what good is 'biding their time' going to do anyway |
| [22:40:59] | wagnerrp: | they spam, they get terminated, end of story |
| [22:41:08] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter how old the account is |
| [22:41:50] | wagnerrp: | theres no 'oh, he was around for four months, maybe he didnt mean to advertise for viagara' |
| [22:42:31] | Dagmar: | When they spam they then only have to do half the work at once |
| [22:43:01] | wagnerrp: | but they have all the work to do at some point or another, so whats the poin |
| [22:43:15] | Dagmar: | It doesn't slow them down doing the spamming _when_ they do it |
| [22:43:33] | Dagmar: | They seem to like to get as many shots at being seen by Google at one time as tehy can |
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| [22:43:59] | Dagmar: | If people are taking five hours to take the bulk of them down, that means if they want to make the biggest splash for pagerank, they have to get everything done in that time frame |
| [22:45:04] | Dagmar: | I saw 'em doing it with DLG's wiki |
| [22:45:35] | wagnerrp: | and i suppose that way they can get more in before having IPs banned |
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| [22:46:42] | Dagmar: | One might not immediately ban a whole netblock if one doesn't look closely to see that the other five accounts that match from there haven't been naughty yet, too |
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| [22:52:49] | Dibblah: | Yup. Pagerank doesn't decrease as quickly as it increases. |
| [22:53:01] | Dibblah: | So the more "hot" links they can create at once, the better. |
| [22:53:15] | Dibblah: | Of course, it's not quite as simplistic as that, but... |
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| [22:54:24] | Elwell: | ls -l |
| [22:54:28] | Elwell: | sorry |
| [22:54:50] | iamlindoro: | . |
| [22:54:51] | iamlindoro: | .. |
| [22:54:55] | iamlindoro: | midgetporn/ |
| [22:54:58] | iamlindoro: | grannyporn/ |
| [22:55:06] | wagnerrp: | passwords.txt |
| [22:55:10] | laga_: | mythuiporn/ |
| [22:55:14] | Dibblah: | rule34/ |
| [22:55:22] | justinh: | hannamontanavids/ |
| [22:55:30] | Dibblah: | Ewwww. That's sick. |
| [22:55:32] | iamlindoro: | Yay, this game is fun |
| [22:55:36] | rooaus: | laga_: oooh, mythuiporn/coverflow |
| [22:55:36] | Elwell: | rumbled |
| [22:55:53] | justinh: | SClubKidsMusic/ |
| [22:56:01] | wagnerrp: | leave hannah montana alone.... *sobs* |
| [22:56:15] | Elwell: | X-Factor_entry_folder/ |
| [22:56:20] | Dibblah: | Please. That's worse than lazytown. |
| [22:57:09] | justinh: | oh crap. I forgot about that |
| [22:57:19] | justinh: | saw a clip on Mister Brooker's show. SCARY |
| [22:57:24] | wagnerrp: | i never understood all those lazytown memes |
| [22:57:44] | Elwell: | 's ok – I've just spent 10 mins re-running mythfilldb --file ... till I realised the reason CBBC wasn't showing anything right now was cos its night time... |
| [22:57:50] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [22:57:55] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: That's a GOOD thing. |
| [22:58:18] | justinh: | I saw a few clips on Screenwipe a few months ago. I still have nightmares |
| [22:59:00] | Dibblah: | http://www.zimbio.com/Julianna+Rose+Mauriello . . . azytown+sexy |
| [22:59:07] | justinh: | I dunno much about kid psychology but I'd bet its preachy nature doesn't get through to anybody |
| [22:59:23] | Dibblah: | The _scary_ bit is that that's so high in the google search. |
| [22:59:48] | justinh: | that's erm.. nasty |
| [22:59:57] | justinh: | and worrying |
| [23:00:10] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [23:00:27] | Dibblah: | I would say "kids today", but it's not the kids I worry about. |
| [23:00:46] | justinh: | objectification. get em young |
| [23:01:42] | Dibblah: | On the plus side, the GFs new laptop is almost done. |
| [23:02:18] | justinh: | I love a lot of the new kids shows. they're fascinating |
| [23:02:43] | Dibblah: | Iiiiiit's.... Mr ???? |
| [23:03:10] | Dibblah: | Fumble? |
| [23:03:17] | justinh: | prolly not seen enough of them to know that :) |
| [23:03:35] | Dibblah: | You don't know Mr Tumble? |
| [23:03:49] | Dibblah: | I don't even have kids and I know Mr Tumble. |
| [23:04:03] | justinh: | nope |
| [23:05:54] | justinh: | maybe have to correct myself.. not a *lot* of them then |
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| [23:15:06] | neztiti: | guys any help here? using myth 21 |
| [23:15:11] | neztiti: | DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [23:15:20] | quantum__: | I am trying to compile mythtv, but I get error you must install lame mp3 encoding library. I did yum install lame, but still no luck getting it to run |
| [23:15:37] | quantum__: | what rpm do I actulaly need for it to myth to compile correctly |
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| [23:19:49] | clever: | quantum__: you need the lame dev files |
| [23:20:37] | clever: | it might be in the lame-dev package |
| [23:20:38] | S2: | neztiti, you can ignore the error if you don't have disecq |
| [23:21:06] | neztiti: | S2: how?? |
| [23:21:34] | S2: | neztiti, don't look at it :) |
| [23:21:45] | neztiti: | S2: i cant import channels too |
| [23:22:42] | neztiti: | S2: i have twinhan card dst |
| [23:24:00] | S2: | neztiti, can't you scan for channels? |
| [23:24:07] | S2: | what's the error you get? |
| [23:24:11] | neztiti: | no |
| [23:24:33] | neztiti: | i use ubuntu 9.04 |
| [23:26:09] | neztiti: | S2: http://pastebin.com/m40b4aa5e |
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| [23:29:02] | Dibblah: | neztiti: Do you have a dvb-s card? |
| [23:29:23] | neztiti: | yes |
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| [23:30:06] | Dibblah: | In which case, you need to set up your diseqc configuration ;) |
| [23:31:25] | Dibblah: | http://support.openmedia.co.nz/mypvr/support/ . . . reeview-dth/ |
| [23:31:30] | Dibblah: | Step 5, ish. |
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| [23:36:43] | neztiti: | Dibblah: i did m8 – me not new using mythtv |
| [23:36:59] | neztiti: | its new ubuntu |
| [23:37:00] | Dibblah: | You didn't save it. |
| [23:37:16] | neztiti: | w8 man |
| [23:37:22] | Dibblah: | next – not back on the dvb settings page. |
| [23:41:21] | neztiti: | wow i think no space here with the harddisk |
| [23:42:13] | neztiti: | Dibblah: http://pastebin.com/d7a31867e |
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| [23:57:21] | justinh: | Dibblah: see my comment re the scanner? tuner and/or driver is a PoS |
| [23:57:38] | justinh: | Dibblah: tried my other spare tuner – a USB one & it's tickety boo |
| [23:58:18] | justinh: | all default parameters, no ducking about it just works. so sod it :) |
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