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[00:19:18] elec: ok so mythtv frontend for windows keeps erroring saying "device has been lost and cannot be reset" .. and it wont lock onto to channel
[00:19:50] elec: i have two systems connecting to it and one (the first one i connected) seems to work relatively decent, but the second one gets that error
[00:20:08] elec: im trying to connect 1 at a time
[00:23:25] elec: [
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[00:35:33] elec: <^>
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[00:41:38] clever: how would i reference the 2nd card in alsa?
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[00:57:33] wagnerrp: would it be normal for the 1029–1031 schema update to take several minutes?
[00:57:51] wagnerrp: as far as i can tell, its just an 'alter table' to add the hash field
[00:58:08] wagnerrp: but my mysql server was running full core for several minutes
[01:00:42] iamlindoro: 1031 is a rehash of your whole collection
[01:00:49] iamlindoro: 1030–31 that is
[01:00:58] iamlindoro: so yes, several minutes is normal
[01:01:14] iamlindoro: it outputs the hashing progress the whole time
[01:01:20] iamlindoro: (on the FE)
[01:02:36] wagnerrp: yeah, but thats the FE doing file transfers and hashing
[01:02:42] wagnerrp: that shouldnt be load on mysql
[01:03:05] iamlindoro: It's doing tons of dumping the hashes into your DB
[01:03:18] iamlindoro: and not just the FE doing the hashing
[01:03:34] iamlindoro: all SG hosted file hashes are done by the backend hosting them
[01:05:54] wagnerrp: still a bit surprising that that is database limited
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[01:08:30] wagnerrp: now to figure out why the export script STILL isnt running
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[01:46:59] Cyber-Dogg: howdy
[01:47:20] Cyber-Dogg: I'm still having some firewire issues...
[01:47:34] Cyber-Dogg: I've added in what I've found here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Priming
[01:48:16] Cyber-Dogg: I have 2 STBs
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[01:48:29] Cyber-Dogg: both are DCH3200
[01:48:37] Cyber-Dogg: the 6200 channel changer works fine
[01:49:00] Cyber-Dogg: when I have myth setup to use them in broadcast mode, then it works fine for 1 STB
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[01:49:21] simplton: I used to use /bin/usr/mythtv to load livetv only. Is there a way to load straight into livetv with 0.22 ?
[01:49:45] quantum__: audio suddenly stopped working on mythtv. The last thing I did was install eclipse, and the system rebooted during power outage. I can play music from the command line with mplayer
[01:49:51] Cyber-Dogg: but, my understanding is that I need to use P2P for the boxes when daisychained
[01:50:10] [R]: quantum__: what does the frontend log say
[01:50:11] quantum__: what audio drivers etc. needs to be running for mythtv to work? How can I tell what is broken
[01:50:37] quantum__: hang on
[01:53:09] quantum__: 2009-11–24 19:51:50.438 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.
[01:53:09] quantum__: 2009-11–24 19:51:50.439 AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory
[01:53:09] quantum__: 200
[01:53:34] quantum__: NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory
[01:53:46] [R]: a) don't flood in here
[01:53:56] quantum__: sorry
[01:53:58] [R]: b) you said mplayer works... what does it's output look like
[01:55:29] quantum__: where can I past it to
[01:55:41] quantum__: ahh I see
[01:55:42] Dagmar: pastebin.ca pastebin.com
[01:55:48] ** clever points at the topic **
[01:56:02] simplton: I used to use /bin/usr/mythtv to load livetv only. Is there a way to load straight into livetv with 0.22 ?
[01:56:55] [R]: simplton: we all heard you the first time...
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[01:57:45] Dagmar: We're just wondering why you don't just use TVTime or something like that
[01:58:17] quantum__: http://pastebin.com/m74f02cdf
[01:58:50] [R]: quantum__: that doesnt look like its working to me
[01:59:45] quantum__: http://pastebin.ca/1686303
[01:59:48] Dagmar: Looks like someone's trying to play an mp3.
[01:59:54] Dagmar: They tend to be short on video content.
[02:00:18] [R]: well its failing on alsa and oss
[02:00:23] quantum__: Dagmar: no I don't get any audio on mythtv all the sudden but mplayer works
[02:00:26] [R]: so i dunno how its magically playing sound
[02:00:27] Dagmar: It would also help if you actually tried to set up the system
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[02:00:55] simplton: Dagmar: where you suggesting I use TVTime?
[02:01:05] Dagmar: [R] aRts too
[02:01:11] quantum__: sounds like I need to reinstall oss and alsa, does anyone know what packages for this?
[02:01:14] Dagmar: simplton: Because it's for watching live television
[02:01:27] [R]: quantum__: there is no package... its part of the kernel
[02:01:27] Dagmar: quantum__: You don't.
[02:01:53] brad3: well my MythXM plugin is dead, looks like it pretty explictly violates their terms of service
[02:02:13] simplton: My mythtv-backend is on separate machine
[02:02:14] brad3: ahh well, good learning experience
[02:02:22] quantum__: weird, as I said it was working, only thing that changed was I installed eclipse and some related packaged, after that audio still worked, then there was a reboot because of power outage and audio stopped working
[02:02:36] kormoc: simplton: so run the frontend?
[02:03:03] [R]: quantum__: well looks like you broke your computer... not myth
[02:03:16] Dagmar: I figure the database is trashed due to the power failure and someone probably never attempting to check the mysql databases
[02:03:38] quantum__: how do I debug this?
[02:03:44] Dagmar: ...and considering the number of web pages devoted to fixing mysql installs run by people who can't be bothered to find a $35 UPS, I'm not answering any bloody questions about how to fix mysql tables
[02:03:48] simplton: I'm opening up mythtv directly from XBMC and I want it to load directly into livetv.
[02:03:58] quantum__: why does mplayer work fine
[02:04:05] Dagmar: simplton: For god's sake why
[02:04:17] [R]: quantum__: i dont see mplayer working fine...
[02:04:27] Dagmar: What POSSIBLE objective could be sanely served by launching MythTV from within XBMC?
[02:04:58] quantum__: well I hear audio
[02:05:06] simplton: Well XBMC is a much better media player, so the only function I need from mythtv is the tv function
[02:05:10] [R]: well oss is failing miserably... and you'r emissing alsa completely
[02:05:14] [R]: so of course myth is going to fail
[02:05:23] Dagmar: simplton: You need something far simpler, like TVTime
[02:05:36] clever: simplton: you could also put a menu option in mythtv to start xbmc
[02:06:51] simplton: I consider the Live TV a part of my media center, not the other way around. I had this working before I upgraded to 0.22, just wanted to know if that functionality was still available somehow
[02:07:08] kormoc: simplton: why not just use the xbmc native myth support? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Xbox_Frontend#Runn . . . thTV_Support
[02:07:27] simplton: Because it blows, have you ever tried it?
[02:07:35] quantum__: ha I instaalled pulseaudio and mplayer seemed very happy, but mythv won't even start with pulseaudio installed
[02:07:37] kormoc: nope
[02:07:56] clever: quantum__: pulse is evil!
[02:07:57] simplton: What I had was the perfect combination between the both of them
[02:08:08] simplton: clever: You're definately right!
[02:08:23] kormoc: simplton: so run mythtvavtest and call it good, and don't run to us when it breaks
[02:10:16] simplton: kormoc: thats what I'm looking for
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[02:10:58] simplton: Don't worry bout me bugging you guys I've been using mythtv for 4 years and haven't needed help till now, thnx a mil guys
[02:11:09] ** kormoc tips his hat **
[02:11:11] clever: i think i finnaly solved my xv problems under
[02:11:17] clever: gentoo, had to turn on dma for xv
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[02:12:57] simplton: livetv loads fast, excellent!
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[02:13:17] Dagmar: Yep. That's Gentoo for you
[02:13:32] Dagmar: Allowing the clueless to disable shit they shouldn't since 1998.
[02:14:05] clever: Dagmar: it somehow turned itself back on while under nvidia, and that fixed ati
[02:14:30] wagnerrp: damn straight
[02:14:44] Dagmar: "somehow"
[02:14:45] Dagmar: lol
[02:14:59] clever: was probly the X -configure i did to get vdpau on
[02:15:18] clever: i just commented out driver "nvidia" to let the rest stick but auto-pick a driver
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[02:15:57] quantum__: yeah so this appears to be a problem with also, but how do I fix it: NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory
[02:16:18] quantum__: is there a way for alsa to recreate this
[02:16:24] clever: quantum__: alsa cant connect so itd giving up
[02:16:29] Dagmar: You run MythTV setup and tell it to use ALSA:default as the sound device, just like the documentation says to do
[02:16:39] clever: quantum__: what alsa device is it configured to use
[02:16:44] Dagmar: ...and if you're smart you REMOVE pulseaudio
[02:16:50] quantum__: Dagmar: yes that is what I have
[02:16:59] quantum__: Dagmar: yes I removed pulse audio
[02:18:06] Dagmar: So then you no longer have a problem. It should just work.
[02:18:11] quantum__: clever: alsa: default
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[02:18:27] Dagmar: I SEE A SNEAKY COMMUNIST WHITESPACE
[02:19:05] quantum__: Dagmar: dude I typed it
[02:19:31] quantum__: ALSA:default
[02:21:18] quantum__: how do I debug this, doesn't make any sense I assume something with alsa is not running, but I don't know what to check
[02:21:50] Dagmar: Some people would start by say, running mythfrontend instead of mplayer
[02:22:05] Dagmar: ...other people would read the ALSA stuff at wiki.mythtv.org
[02:22:12] Dagmar: I know I put a section in there about how to use speaker-test
[02:24:41] quantum__: Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[02:25:15] kormoc: did you compile in/load a ALSA Driver (assuming you're the gentoo guy?)
[02:25:49] kormoc: (Meaning, did mplayer fall back to oss?)
[02:26:19] quantum__: kormoc: everything was working. two events took place, installed eclipse and related packaged (everything still working without reboot). then power outage cause reboot. now audio suddenly no longer working with mythtv
[02:26:33] quantum__: can hear audio through mplayer so sound card is probably o.k.
[02:26:45] quantum__: but alsa seems screwed up with mythtv
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[02:28:21] quantum__: not sure how to figure out what is missing
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[02:28:40] quantum__: I assume an alsa driver or something is missing or not running
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[02:31:26] quantum__: ha I uninstalled eclipse and it suddenly works....whatever
[02:31:45] quantum__: anybody explain that one
[02:32:32] quantum__: I bet it was ant-apache-resolver.x86_64 0:1.7.1–7.2.fc10
[02:33:34] Dagmar: Anyone can point at a random component and blame it
[02:33:41] Dagmar: I blame the keyboard attachment.
[02:34:00] kormoc: play him off keyboard cat
[02:34:58] quantum__: yeah but it takes a certain amount of work to pick out an especially undignified component
[02:35:52] Dagmar: Try that with your car sometime
[02:36:18] Dagmar: Just pick a piece that looks odd and rip it out
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[02:36:30] Dagmar: Just because you can type does not mean you know anything about how a computer works.
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[02:41:40] _abbenormal: that sounds like me
[02:42:11] metalac: anyone knows why mythfrontend wouldn't play recordings or live tv if i live it on for a while and then come back to watch stuff? if i restart mythfrontend it works like a charm
[02:44:12] [R]: metalac: you'll have to define "woudln't play"
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[02:44:39] metalac: [R]: it gives me black screen
[02:45:02] [R]: and what does the log say
[02:45:23] metalac: nothing suspicious
[02:45:36] metalac: for liveTV it just says that it couldn't start live tv
[02:45:55] [R]: and what does the backend say
[02:46:09] metalac: didn't check the backend log
[02:46:31] [R]: of course you didn't
[02:46:56] metalac: let me check :D
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[02:48:43] Dagmar: Sounds like another Gentoo issue
[02:48:46] metalac: nothing
[02:49:07] metalac: i know it should work fine because i see it change the channel on my set top box
[02:49:25] Dagmar: If the backend says nothing then you should call the FBI
[02:49:50] Dagmar: Someone's clearly hacked into your house, taken your backend, and reconfigured your frontend to get video from THEIR equipment for some nefarious reason
[02:49:55] Dagmar: Probably a con game involving lottery numbers.
[02:50:19] Dagmar: The backend NEVER says _nothing_ when you do make the frontend watch something
[02:50:28] metalac: well it's not nothing
[02:50:32] metalac: but it's nothing abnormal
[02:50:34] Dagmar: Right.
[02:50:49] Dagmar: So how about you make an effort to answer questions accurately, and we might make an effort to give you useful information.
[02:50:49] metalac: it changes the channel and it says it fetched some packets
[02:50:54] metalac: and it's starting to record a program
[02:51:10] metalac: well somebody just had a pissy day ;)
[02:51:34] Dagmar: You'll pardon me if I object to having to ask each question multiple times in order to fix soemone else's problem
[02:51:57] metalac: nobody put a gun to your head
[02:52:10] Dagmar: ...and clearly no one raised you.
[02:52:23] metalac: nice comeback ;)
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[09:07:50] justinh: bloody hell iamlindoro your code is literally peppered with comments. this just will not do. people might be able to work out what it does! ;-)
[09:08:37] ivor: tut. honestly.
[09:09:04] justinh: s/peppered\ with/smothered\ in/
[09:09:44] justinh: I should do some work rather than try to hack icon display into the PBB
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[09:12:05] ivor: glad I dont get paid for lines of code written....
[09:12:25] ivor: yesterdays tally was -2400
[09:15:47] laga_: i wrote like 300 or so. buh for me
[09:16:34] ivor: i'm in code archaeology mode. reckon whoever wrote this was in job protection mode.
[09:16:35] justinh: I know what's gonna happen here. to use channel icons better, we really need a storage group for em. and nobody else is working on that so...
[09:17:09] justinh: but on the bright side I'll be able to borrow code in the PBB for that :)
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[09:17:49] justinh: job worth doing etc
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[09:22:27] justinh: !trout Java-update Stinking-Yahoo
[09:22:27] ** MythLogBot slaps Java-update with a Stinking-Yahoo trout on behalf of justinh... **
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[10:07:35] justinh: ooo Tivo are 'to power virgin media's new platform'
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[10:08:47] justinh: & we're getting IPTV via Cisco's Digital Headend Tech. which might mean we could stream everything we pay for to PCs. Like if hell freezes over or something
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[10:30:09] justinh: ruh-roh "We believe this international deal affords us a significant subscriber growth opportunity". sounds like VM may be moving to 'rent the STB tivo'. Bad
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[11:05:31] gbee: they already rent their existing DVR
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[11:29:35] dscoular: so how do I get mythvideo 0.22 to jump forward and back without it telling me "not flagged" ?
[11:30:05] justinh: don't use commercial skip then.
[11:30:12] justinh: seek properly
[11:30:28] justinh: gbee: I know that but sounds like it's gonna cost more
[11:31:40] gbee: dscoular: you are using the wrong seek option
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[11:48:45] justinh: Hmmm. Retro-wide. Eew
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[11:57:38] gbee: justinh: you should be more tolerant, just because people have less taste than you doesn't mean they aren't human beings too
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[12:01:32] justinh: arse. have to go home. v. bad news
[12:04:00] gbee: :(
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[14:53:34] iamlindoro: justinh, Well someone sure ought to be able to understand my code, since I sure don't  ;)
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[15:10:18] brad3: haha
[15:10:20] brad3: been there!
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[15:44:29] skd5aner: when retrieving movie metadata using tmdb.py, does the movie title still display based on the File Name rather than the title that the grabber retrieves?
[15:45:06] skd5aner: I know back in the IMDB grabber days, regardless of the filename, whatever the title was pulled back as was what was entered and displayed within mythvideo
[15:45:38] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Are using trunk?
[15:47:13] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: There is no tmdb.py in 0.22+fixes that is why I ask.
[15:48:20] wagnerrp: skd5aner: its got nothing to do with the grabber, the grabber just provides data, mythvideo decides to change the name
[15:48:36] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: In all cases where a movie grabber is used the TMDB title is used to populate the title field.
[15:48:41] wagnerrp: and at least as of a week or two ago, it still updated the field
[15:49:15] skd5aner: I'm running .22-fixes, about a week old
[15:49:15] skd5aner: version
[15:49:34] wagnerrp: its very unlikely that would have bene changed
[15:49:44] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: As of the commit yesterday Jamu is also using the TMDB title like MythVideo.
[15:50:06] skd5aner: so tmdb.pl, not .py
[15:50:57] skd5aner: Yea, I'm utilize Jamu actually, but I aks because when I go into mythvideo (using graphite), all of my metadata that has been retrieved is displayed, but the title is still shown as the parsed filename for movies
[15:51:02] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Correct tmdb.pl in 0.22 – Also before yesterday's commit Jamu was using the movie file name as the title.
[15:51:05] skd5aner: *ask
[15:52:12] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Sound like you need to re-sync to get Jamu v0.6.0 changes
[15:52:13] skd5aner: ah – so in the version I have, JAMU is populating the metadata tile as the filename, rather than populating it with the one pulled from the grabber, correct?
[15:52:29] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: a day late, a buck short ;)
[15:52:38] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: correct
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[15:52:56] skd5aner: has that been backported to the .22-fixes branch – I check commits daily, but am about 24 hours behind
[15:53:18] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: yes fixes and trunk
[15:53:52] skd5aner: great – and when I rerun the new version of Jamu in maintenance mode, will it overwrite/update the titles correctly?
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[15:55:48] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: I never noticed the issue as I change my file names to "XXXXX (XXX)" so they looked good to me. As for updating the titles only the movies with missing metadata will have their titles changed.
[15:56:37] wagnerrp: RDV_Linux: do you just need to add a channel, or do you add a source as well?
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[15:56:57] wagnerrp: i imagine the latter?
[15:57:25] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: ??? Are you referring to mirobridge?
[15:57:29] wagnerrp: yeah
[15:57:48] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: Only channel and with an icon reference.
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[15:58:28] wagnerrp: i figured mythtv would be unhappy with a channel without a source reference
[15:58:30] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: It is only for cosmetic purposes
[15:59:18] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: Makes the Watch Recordings screen look slightly better and even MythWeb when the icon is added,
[16:00:21] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: thanks. So I wonder, I could do something harsh like wiping the title from all my movies I suppose, to force it to update
[16:00:31] wagnerrp: sadly icons are not in a SG
[16:00:54] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: In MythWeb listing the "Miro" channel just shows with "NO DATA"
[16:00:55] wagnerrp: i would have to make a check to ensure youre running on the MBE before giving file access to the icons
[16:01:18] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: You could do that but please, please do a backup first.
[16:02:47] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: FYI: TV series always worked as MythVideo does and use the TV Series title from TVDB.
[16:03:41] skd5aner: interesting – I haven't done anything with TVDB yet, just movies/TMDB
[16:04:30] skd5aner: I was considering playing around with jamu -MW to see what happens, so you're saying that it'll change the title of shows automatically from TVDB data versus the SD data it already has?
[16:05:04] skd5aner: I would think, in that case, you'd want to leave the titles along to coincide with record rules, etc
[16:05:22] skd5aner: just for consistency sake
[16:05:28] wagnerrp: only with mythvideo, it doesnt touch recordings besides pulling artwork for them
[16:07:03] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: wagnerrp is correct and I will add that the image files that are downloaded have slightly different naming conventions so that they will be found/displayed in the Watch Recordings screen.
[16:07:21] Captain_Murdoch: iamlindoro, not sure if you saw gbee's comment or not, but when you merge MV over, you could put MV UI parts in mythfrontend/mythvideo instead of libmyth/mythvideo if they're easily separatable at this point, otherwise they can move from libmyth/mythvideo to programs/mythfrontend after the merge during cleanup.
[16:08:07] skd5aner: wagnerrp/RDV_Linux: thanks for the clarificaiton
[16:08:14] skd5aner: that makes sense
[16:09:18] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: For recordings EPG data rules ;) which has caused some issues for people in countries with mediocre EPG data sources.
[16:12:01] wagnerrp: but... theres no option but to deal with it, or else you end up breaking the record/duplicate rules
[16:17:25] iamlindoro: Captain_Murdoch: Started doing exactly that last night
[16:17:52] iamlindoro: So yeah, I'd like to put as much of it as possible in the right spots on the first run
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[16:52:41] Thom-: hello guys, is it possible to change the look of subtitles in mythtvs internal player?
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[17:03:31] gbee: that entirely depends on the type of subtitle (there are lots)
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[17:04:26] gbee: it tends to break down into DVB/DVD vs Teletext/CC*/SRT etc
[17:04:55] gbee: the latter being rendered by Myth and not pre-drawn
[17:06:26] Thom-: i only use srts
[17:07:49] Thom-: the standard layout is really bad to read... i before used mpc on windows which had a nicer look
[17:08:04] gbee: You can change the font but the rest you'd need to edit the code to change
[17:09:00] Thom-: is it possible to change the font size, too?
[17:09:07] gbee: iirc yes
[17:09:26] gbee: it's all under the settings
[17:09:28] Thom-: is there a wiki/forum post how to do that?
[17:09:31] Thom-: ah
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[17:10:27] gbee: "Playback OSD" Settings
[17:11:06] Thom-: thank you
[17:11:06] Thom-: :)
[17:12:24] Thom-: one more question -> is there a recommendation for an other player instead of the internal one?
[17:12:46] Thom-: maybe a how-to-use-vlc or mplayer instead
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[17:13:11] gbee: I'd stick with Internal personally
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[17:14:24] gbee: as time goes on it's increasingly unlikely that we'll keep support for external players
[17:14:50] gbee: actually, for 0.23 I'd say chances are pretty much zero
[17:15:08] Thom-: hm okay
[17:15:09] brad3: is there any documentation on what the parameters of the reg_key function do? (REG_KEY("Music", "PAUSE", "Pause/Start playback", "P"); I'm having trouble finding where it is declared in the code.
[17:15:44] gbee: brad3: context, action, description, key
[17:16:10] gbee: context means that P will only pause in the music screens, vs a global key binding
[17:16:18] jarle: How do people handle mythtv and pulseaudio? Right now mythtv disables pulse audio, so I am unable to have any sound in Miro when mythtv is running (even if the frontend is just idling in the menu, doing nothing at all...)
[17:16:34] iamlindoro: we remove pulseaudio
[17:16:45] gbee: action is the internal name, the bit we look for in the code, description is just for display to the end user in mythcontrols etc
[17:17:10] brad3: ahh got it, thanks
[17:17:12] gbee: evil, evil pulseaudio
[17:17:26] brad3: and where do i define (in my plugin) what the context name should be of the plugin?
[17:17:44] RDV_Linux: jarle: You could use MiroBridge and play all you Miro videos in MythTV. No more pulseaudio issues.
[17:18:01] gbee: brad3: when you call translateKeyPress in the keypressEvent handlers
[17:18:25] brad3: ahh silly me, i did have that written
[17:18:27] brad3: hahah, i'm a tool
[17:18:37] RDV_Linux: jarle: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge
[17:18:39] brad3: thanks gbee, much appreciated
[17:19:03] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . .html#l00251
[17:19:08] EvilBob: In MythVideo I have a few movies that will not accept the metadata, I enter the movie id from imdb and the info never shows up, is there a way to force this? I checked the troubleshooting section of the mythvideo wiki page.
[17:19:13] gbee: example there from the old mythflix plugin
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[17:20:36] iamlindoro: EvilBob: Does the film exist at TMDB? In the TMDB record, has someone entered the IMDb number? If you did so, did you wait 4–24 hours for the API to refresh?
[17:20:53] iamlindoro: If yes to all of the above, cite examples
[17:21:23] EvilBob: TMDB... not sure where I find that,
[17:21:32] gbee: www.tmdb.com
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[17:21:38] iamlindoro: themoviedb.org
[17:21:45] gbee: doh yeah
[17:22:44] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Tran . . . ubleshooting
[17:24:34] EvilBob: iamlindoro: that is not the doc I was looking at, will take a look there now.
[17:25:10] iamlindoro: same text
[17:25:17] iamlindoro: as
[17:25:18] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo#Metadata . . . ubleshooting
[17:25:22] EvilBob: yes
[17:25:28] iamlindoro: And same questions we just asked you, more or less
[17:25:38] iamlindoro: namely, " Does the film exist at TMDB? In the TMDB record, has someone entered the IMDb number? If you did so, did you wait 4–24 hours for the API to refresh?"
[17:25:48] EvilBob: The title is not in tmbd
[17:26:10] iamlindoro: then that's why you can't get metadata for it ;)
[17:26:36] iamlindoro: So you should create a nice record for it there, input the info, maybe find some nice artwork for it, etc. so that others can benefit, then come back tomorrow and it should pull in fine
[17:27:07] EvilBob: Right on, working on that now
[17:27:43] iamlindoro: Make sure you edit the details and put in the IMDB in the TMDB record, too-- it's necessary in .21 to find the film
[17:27:46] iamlindoro: er .22
[17:28:46] iamlindoro: (Which is "Movie Facts"->Edit on the TMDB page of the movie once you have created it)
[17:29:27] jarle: RDV_Linux: not an ideal solution, this is for my desktop machine where I only have the frontend running once in a while to check stuff. I have Miro running all the time (listening to audio podcasts) and I hate having to exit the frontend to be able to get any sound from Miro...
[17:29:52] EvilBob: Yeah I thought it pulled the info from imdb, thanks for the help.
[17:30:35] iamlindoro: Not any more, IMDB both asked us to not scrape the page, as well as regularly changing the structure to prevent it, so we've moved to TMDB as our primary movie grabber source
[17:30:55] iamlindoro: Which has an open API and cool artwork that IMDB lack, too
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[17:31:56] EvilBob: Makes sense
[17:32:02] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: jamu v0.6.0 worked great at filling in the titles after I manually nuked them, thx
[17:32:16] RDV_Linux: jarle: Oh well and mirobridge does not have audio cast support yet.
[17:32:51] wagnerrp: somehow, someone on the users list has managed to achieve the standard framegrabber audio bungle on a PVR-250
[17:33:17] wagnerrp: i didnt even think that was possible
[17:33:54] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Glad to hear it. You know your the first person to test that change. (just kidding ;)
[17:34:02] jarle: RDV_Linux: this setup used to work fine before upgrading to mythtv 0.22
[17:34:48] iamlindoro: feel free to contribute patches to the trunk code for supporting pulseaudio
[17:34:59] skd5aner: ;) – I'm just excited that a "feature request" that I had come up against was just committed the day before – great timing!
[17:35:02] RDV_Linux: jarle: I cannot help you there as I also nuked the accursed pulseaudio.
[17:35:09] iamlindoro: until then, Myth's only option is to suspend pulse when Myth is in use
[17:35:14] iamlindoro: or remove pulse entirely
[17:35:47] skd5aner: or disable pulse from running (which is what I did)
[17:35:47] wagnerrp: doesnt trunk try to use pulse now? (complete with a/v desync)
[17:36:21] iamlindoro: trunk does, yes
[17:36:34] skd5aner: and I don't mean disable/suspend it with myth, I mean – just stop it from running and not auto-restarting
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[17:39:46] skd5aner: I think the next thing I'll start experimenting with (after jamu -MW) is miro/mirobridge
[17:39:53] skd5aner: fun times ahead
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[17:48:11] brad3: hey gbee, i have the following code: REG_KEY("MythBrad", "CHANPULL", "Refresh Channel List", "M"). I was expecting it to fire off a CHANPULL action in the keypressevent, but it seems to fire off a MENU event. Any ideas?
[17:49:13] gbee: brad3: M is generally bound to MENU, a global action
[17:49:22] brad3: ahh i see
[17:49:27] brad3: so the global action overrides my action?
[17:49:46] gbee: that said, I was under the impression that local contexts were supposed to override global
[17:50:10] brad3: hmmm the other thing is, if i do the same reg_key, but use "C" instead of "M" it doesn't fire an action off at all
[17:50:19] gbee: appears so, but like I said, it's not what I thought
[17:50:40] gbee: brad3: well I can't explain that one
[17:50:46] brad3: it's almost like it's somehow still using the MythNews reg_key's (as i used mythnews as a starting point for my plugin) but i thought i've removed all traces of mythnews
[17:50:56] brad3: okay, will keep looking, thought i just might be missing something obvious
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[18:19:06] skd5aner: when running jamu -mw, should the result set contain imdb search results? I figured it would return ttvdb results?
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[18:20:50] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: I assume you really used -MW (uppercase) but the results may look like IMDB but the images are only from TMDB
[18:20:57] skd5aner: yes
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[18:22:18] skd5aner: ok – I'll see how it goes, thx
[18:22:27] pac0: good afternoon
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[18:24:04] pac0: how can i test why i can use only one tuner from dvb-t with two tuners?
[18:24:16] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: thanks, yea – seemed to work fine, thanks. Does TTVDB use IMDB numbers to reference the shows?
[18:24:48] iamlindoro: They use their own index/numbering system
[18:24:53] iamlindoro: which are also numbers
[18:25:23] skd5aner: do they cross-reference with IMDB?
[18:26:13] teknopagan: hiya, folks – I actually had a question about ttvdb also
[18:26:27] iamlindoro: skd5aner: no
[18:26:33] teknopagan: Can I use ttvdb.pl with myth 0.21?
[18:26:50] iamlindoro: you mean .py, and no
[18:26:53] pac0: is correct if i can only scan with one tuner?
[18:27:01] teknopagan: heh, yeah, that's the one
[18:27:05] iamlindoro: .21 lacks all the grabber logic and DB fields needed to use the TV grabber
[18:27:07] pac0: i followed all guides and dont know what are doing bad
[18:27:12] teknopagan: Gotcha
[18:27:52] teknopagan: So, if I'm currently running mythdora, is it worthwhile to upgrade to 0.22?
[18:28:24] teknopagan: To be more specific, mythdora on my backend, but not my frontend
[18:28:25] iamlindoro: Depends on you (don't think mythdora has anything to do with it, though)
[18:28:36] EvilBob: teknopagan: I think so, a few growing pains but worth it I think
[18:29:14] EvilBob: teknopagan: Not running "Mythdora" here just Myth on Fedora
[18:29:15] teknopagan: EvilBob, growing pains? What would be the major points to look out for?
[18:30:13] EvilBob: teknopagan: how themes are built changed so fewer are available, some menu changes. It is a lot cleaner to get around.
[18:30:24] teknopagan: iamlindoro, the reason I specified mythdora was to indicate that I'm running a distro tailored to myth
[18:30:40] teknopagan: better WAF?
[18:31:10] teknopagan: for 0.22 vs. 0.21, I mean
[18:34:29] skd5aner: when I run jamu -MW, it appears to me to be searching IMDB, for example – When "Saturday Night Live" comes up, I get a bunch of results from IMDB
[18:34:47] skd5aner: but when I do a /ttvdb.py -M "Saturday Night Live"
[18:34:50] skd5aner: I get one
[18:34:56] EvilBob: teknopagan: What is "WAF?"
[18:35:04] devinheitmueller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_acceptance_factor
[18:35:05] skd5aner: Wife Acceptance Factor
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[18:35:24] devinheitmueller: Holy gender bias, Batman!
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[18:35:51] GreyFoxx: But it's true a lot of the time
[18:36:12] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Yes unfortunately TMDB does not have an IMDB# for all movies, but you can add the missing ones and help everyone out.
[18:37:09] EvilBob: No idea, had to RMA mine, waiting on the replacement
[18:37:34] EvilBob: My son, age 4, is happy with it.
[18:38:14] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: you keep saying TMDB, do you mean TTVDB?
[18:38:39] skd5aner: I am now only doing TV recordings now, movies are done :)
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[18:39:45] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: I though you were still talking about movies. The -MW option searches TMDB for movies and TVDB for tv series.
[18:40:26] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: using IMDB#s for TMDB and TV Series name for TVDB
[18:41:07] EvilBob: Getting Rails errors on themoviedb.org when trying to add a new movie. guess I will wait to add some more.
[18:41:50] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: The delineation between a movie and a TV series is that you EPG data should have a subtitle (episode name) for a TV Series.
[18:42:12] gbee: be very sure that the movie doesn't exist first
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[18:43:08] tesseract_tom: does anyone know of a way I could let's say watch a movie in Mythvideo and have it launch another commandline program in the background – especially using the Internal player?
[18:43:15] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: If for instance "Saturday Night Live" does not have a subtitle then you need to add "Saturday Night Live" and its TVDB reference number to the jamu.conf file overrides section.
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[18:44:09] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Unfortunately the EPG data is not always consistent and therefore the -MW is a best guess arrangement.
[18:44:39] skd5aner: OK – I'm seeing some behavior that I don't think is quite right (but maybe it is normal?) – it just appears that all of my shows are trying to search IMDB
[18:45:05] skd5aner: I'm going to pastebin some output
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[18:45:40] skd5aner: well, before I do that – is there any way to clean out metadata for shows I've already grabbed?
[18:45:42] EvilBob: gbee: was that directed to me?
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[18:46:35] gbee: EvilBob: yes, since for a movie to be missing from TMDB is getting to be unusual
[18:46:37] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Yes go to your friendly Jamu wiki and look up the Janitor (-MJ) option.
[18:47:22] EvilBob: gbee: I searched for the DVD Title the original release title and the imdb number
[18:47:57] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: won't that just clean up orphaned files and data?
[18:48:18] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: as I read the article, it doesn't necessarily remove data from existing recordings
[18:48:28] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Yes but that is all I have to offer.
[18:48:35] skd5aner: no problem :)
[18:48:37] EvilBob: gbee: "The Healer" "Julie Walking Home" and "0246719"
[18:48:53] skd5aner: What table is the metadata for recordings kept?
[18:49:22] EvilBob: gbee: when I search for a title, and select "movies" from the results I also get a Rails Error.
[18:50:02] EvilBob: gbee: not sure how I can verify further that it is not in the db
[18:51:32] EvilBob: gbee: I already added http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/25789 some how while adding crew information the Director ended up listed as the Author, can for the life of me remove that bit.
[18:51:48] EvilBob: can't
[18:52:16] EvilBob: I have a large number of kids movies that are also not found
[18:53:15] gbee: not listed under either of the lead actors so I guess you are safe
[18:54:08] EvilBob: Yeah just wanted to provide as much correct info as I could.
[18:55:03] elmojo: devinheitmueller: just tested and your xc5000 improvements also fixed ATSC scanning for me
[18:55:25] EvilBob: iamlindoro: thanks again for your help and for being patient.
[18:55:37] iamlindoro: EvilBob: no problem
[18:55:52] iamlindoro: FWIW Traivs at TMDB is rewriting the site from scratch, the new web UI will be much different and much more dependable/usable
[18:55:55] iamlindoro: er Travis
[18:56:07] skd5aner: ahhh – here's a question for you, coverart/fanart etc that is for items in MythVideo are stored in the database, but for the watch recording menu, does it just look for a file that's named properly without storing it in the DB?
[18:56:09] iamlindoro: Thank you for taking the time to improve the info there
[18:56:18] iamlindoro: skd5aner: yes
[18:56:27] gbee: EvilBob: removed "Mikael Salomon" as author
[18:56:28] devinheitmueller: elmojo: that's good to hear.
[18:56:44] skd5aner: iamlindoro: thanks, a light bulb just came on :)
[18:57:20] EvilBob: Good, not sure if I care for the AJAX bits for entering info, not sure how that stuff works in a CLI browser, would rather deal with it that way.
[18:57:42] iamlindoro: Wellm dunno if it will be less Ajazy in its new implementation
[18:57:55] EvilBob: gbee: cool, is there a trick to it or are your working behind the scenes?
[18:58:01] iamlindoro: I wouldn't expect him to do much to cater to text browser users, but we'll see
[18:58:30] gbee: EvilBob: Cast & Crew, Edit, click the name to remove it from the list
[18:58:42] gbee: might need to be logged in
[18:58:50] EvilBob: iamlindoro: Oh the ajax stuff is pretty cool, just takes a little to get used to.
[18:59:02] gbee: I fully expect the new site to use AJAX and probably more of it
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[18:59:33] gbee: took me a while to accept by AJAX really is the future for stuff like this, the alternative is slow and clunky
[19:00:19] EvilBob: Would be awesome if one could import a tab delimited file of information
[19:00:31] Dagmar: now the real question is that have you then embraced IE as the anti-christ and corruptor of all things ajax?
[19:01:04] gbee: heh
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[19:01:40] Dagmar: ...and EvilBob a "CLI browser" can just give up on AJAX because generally you're required to be able to parse JavaScript
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[19:01:52] EvilBob: My webmail client in zimbra uses ajax, I like it enough I don't use a standalone client anymore
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[19:03:37] EvilBob: wonder if my connection being saturated could have anything to do with the lag I thought I was seeing on the site. Syncing my mirrors and did not notice.
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[19:04:25] skd5aner: OK – here's a pastebin from running jamu.py -MWV, is this normal? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/index.php
[19:05:04] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Nice site link but no data
[19:05:35] skd5aner: oops – correct link: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1687152
[19:06:06] skd5aner: A couple things, the first two shows correctly reference that they are searching ttvdb, but after that, everything search IMDB (litterally, everything)
[19:06:12] skd5aner: FYI – I'm in the US using SD
[19:06:54] skd5aner: Also every instance of direct search says this: "Direct search of IMDB # http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=So+You+T . . . ;x=0&y=0
[19:07:01] skd5aner: even if it's trying to do another show
[19:07:48] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: First thing is the -MW option does not support interactive mode so do not use options like -MWI
[19:08:02] skd5aner: I used -MWV, is that acceptable (didn't use I)
[19:08:20] skd5aner: ?]
[19:08:46] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: -MW is meant to be a cronjob were interactive mode is of no value. Let me look at the pastbin again.
[19:09:04] skd5aner: ok – thx
[19:11:00] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Your are right that it looks like you used only -MWV but the pastebin is definitely and interactive session. Check your jamu.conf to see if you have an interactive mode set in it.
[19:11:37] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: I tried on my machine -MWV and I do not get any interactive at all.
[19:11:39] skd5aner: checking – just a sec
[19:11:45] skd5aner: that's probably it :(
[19:12:40] herr_karl: hi. i cant connect over the network to the mysql server:
[19:12:42] herr_karl: $ mysql -hserver -umythtv -p
[19:12:44] herr_karl: Enter password:
[19:12:46] herr_karl: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'noname' (using password: YES)
[19:12:48] herr_karl: http://pastebin.com/m1f076b66
[19:13:22] Dagmar: herr_karl: Is this a new installation?
[19:13:39] herr_karl: mythbackend is 192.168.178.201 (name=server), network pc: 192.168.178.21
[19:13:43] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: yup, that was set to TRUE in the conf, I'm running now with it commented out
[19:13:47] herr_karl: Dagmaer: no, updated from 2.1
[19:14:40] Dagmar: Updated what from 2.1?
[19:14:58] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: for the shows that don't get interpreted as a TV series, is it possible for me to submit a patch to the conf file for those so that it helps others?
[19:15:06] Dagmar: I can't even think of what might be '2.1'
[19:15:18] skd5aner: .21 you mean?
[19:15:27] herr_karl: oh, sorry. updated mythtv from .21 ..the ubuntu 9.04 mythtv
[19:15:32] Dagmar: Ah
[19:15:39] Dagmar: You need to actually enable networking for mysql
[19:15:49] skd5aner: Dagmar: that was going to be my guess
[19:15:53] Dagmar: Literally no one ships mysql with networking capability enabled by default
[19:15:56] herr_karl: cat mythtv.cnf
[19:15:58] herr_karl: [mysqld]
[19:16:00] herr_karl: bind-address=0.0.0.0
[19:16:03] Dagmar: No, no, no.
[19:16:10] Dagmar: That file has nothing to do with it
[19:16:35] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Do you mean an override section patch to add new TV series TMDB numbers to the jamu-example.conf file?
[19:16:38] herr_karl: my.conf:
[19:16:40] herr_karl: bind-address = 192.168.178.201
[19:16:53] Dagmar: herr_karl: Rather likely they've disabled it in the mysql config. Look for the token 'skip-networking'.
[19:17:10] Dagmar: ...alternatively, run (as root) `netstat -tunap | grep mysql`
[19:17:22] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: yes
[19:17:25] Dagmar: If it's "allowed" to use the network, it'll be listening on port 3306 if I remember correctly.
[19:17:33] Dagmar: If it's NOT listening on the network that command will return nothing
[19:17:51] herr_karl: tcp 0 0 192.168.178.201:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1429/mysqld
[19:17:53] Dagmar: ...and there are other ways Ubuntu may have disabled networking for mysqld, I just can't be certain which one they used yet
[19:18:01] RDV_Linux: skd5aner: Ask iamlindoro as he is the one who would accept or reject such a patch.
[19:18:01] Dagmar: Okay, so it's listning on a TCP port then
[19:18:43] herr_karl: okay, thanks so far... any ideas?
[19:18:43] Dagmar: That would mean the problem is that your access tables _for mysql_ (i.e., the grants) don't allow yer mysql user to access it over the network
[19:18:43] skd5aner: RDV_Linux: np, will do next time I see him around
[19:18:52] Dagmar: I think running `show grants` or something like that will tell you what you need to know
[19:19:07] Dagmar: er running 'show grants' on mysql
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[19:19:33] herr_karl: this is the table in phpmyadmin...
[19:19:33] herr_karl: http://pastebin.com/m1f076b66
[19:20:01] Dagmar: I love wobbly-network days
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[19:20:47] Lt_Dan: wheeeeeeeeeee!
[19:21:30] Dagmar: Damn. Looks like only about a third of the network is really still here. If you can see this, consider yourself netsplit
[19:22:08] ** laga_ considers himself split **
[19:22:09] herr_karl: oh...
[19:22:38] herr_karl: Dagmar: funny, show grants as user mythtv brings this:
[19:22:40] herr_karl: http://pastebin.com/m5cac7571
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[19:23:14] herr_karl: hm. actually... showing the password has is probably not the best thing to do...
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[19:24:38] Dagmar: herr_karl: You're actually looking at the problem
[19:24:46] Dagmar: herr_karl: Great luck we're on the same side of the split
[19:24:54] Thom-: is it possible to compile mythtv parallel to another installed version?
[19:25:03] Dagmar: Note that it says 'mythtv'@'localhost'
[19:25:18] Dagmar: Thom-: If you have to ask you probably can't pull it off.
[19:25:19] Thom-: i have mythbuntu with a working mythtv and would like to try a compiled version (theres a patch i'd like to use)
[19:25:37] Thom-: well, I'm ready to learn
[19:25:45] Dagmar: herr_karl: Basically, unlike the unix permissions system, mysql actually cares where you connected from
[19:25:47] herr_karl: dagmar: any idea why phpmyadmin says this? same link again..
[19:25:49] herr_karl: http://pastebin.com/m1f076b66
[19:26:05] Dagmar: herr_karl: Those grants are literally only valid for the user named 'mythtv' connecting from 'localhost'
[19:26:23] Dagmar: You will want to add new grants for 'mythtv' connecting from say '192.168.%'
[19:26:44] Dagmar: Whatever your local netblock is, basically
[19:27:06] herr_karl: whell. that phpmyadmin test has this line in it:
[19:27:08] herr_karl: mythtv 192.168.178.% database-specific ALL PRIVILEGES No Edit Privileges
[19:27:30] Dagmar: So it's guessed about as many things right as it has wrong there
[19:27:41] Dagmar: ...but at least it doesn't have the bad entry enabled.
[19:27:50] Dagmar: Note that mysql treats % as a wildcard.
[19:27:55] Dagmar: Someone didn't beat their developers enough
[19:28:08] herr_karl: no problem, im behind a firewall...
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[19:28:46] herr_karl: ... i guess i introduced that % ... trying everything already...
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[19:29:43] Dagmar: herr_karl: So run the mysql command line client and add new grants
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[19:29:55] Dagmar: The output of show grants is _almost_ valid by itself
[19:30:26] Dagmar: Just change the localhost bit, paste the lines into mysql, and it'll probbaly accomplish the right thing
[19:30:29] herr_karl: Dagmar: thanks. ill try it agaein.. maybe it helps this time. ill remove just alle those mythtv related lines from phpmyadmin
[19:30:42] Dagmar: You will need to run `flush privileges;` afterwards tho
[19:31:24] Dagmar: THis actually _is_ the thing that trips up everyone who is unfamiliar with mysql when they split the frontend from the backend machine
[19:32:05] dserban: Is there a performance comparison chart for mythcommflag? In the server I was talking about last night, I have 3 options for cpu, so I'm trying to pick the best that could possibly do up to 5 jobs ... if not reduce the jobs it does concurrently, but I want to know if it can do say... 5 jobs in the span of one hour on a say... 3200+ amd64 etc..
[19:32:56] Dagmar: It doesn't work like that
[19:32:58] wagnerrp: the three options are 'all out', 'all out at reduced priority', and '20% CPU max at reduced priority'
[19:33:17] wagnerrp: the middle one is almost always the one you want
[19:33:38] Dagmar: If your jobs are commflagging five three minute broadcasts, sure.
[19:33:39] dserban: wagnerrp: you mean low/medium/high settings?
[19:33:46] wagnerrp: correct
[19:33:52] Dagmar: ...but largely things don't work like you expect
[19:34:06] wagnerrp: maybe its a framerate max, i just remember theres a forced sleep in routine
[19:34:09] Dagmar: Rest assured that under no conditions will the CPU ever use more than 100% of every core.
[19:34:12] wagnerrp: so as it will never run at full CPU
[19:34:24] dserban: Dagmar: nah, I was meaning, all 5 recorded a 1 hour show concurrently, at the end of an hour, should I max out at one concurrent job and can it get all 5 done within the next hour?
[19:34:56] wagnerrp: SD recordings? maybe, depending on codec and bitrate
[19:34:59] Dagmar: dserban: The more efficient thing will be to just set the number of jobs to the number of cores you have
[19:35:06] wagnerrp: but a 3200+ will be pressed for HD mpeg2
[19:35:12] Dagmar: Changing the number of jobs directly isn't going to affect much
[19:35:14] dserban: wagnerrp: right sd recordings
[19:35:20] wagnerrp: it certainly wont manage it at the same time as commflagging in real time
[19:35:28] dserban: Dagmar: ok, so pick a multi-core then..
[19:35:37] Dagmar: Why am I picking a multi-core?
[19:35:38] wagnerrp: expect to push through 2–3 shows in an hour on that CPU
[19:35:54] Dagmar: Do you know what process priority does?
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[19:36:05] dserban: Dagmar: yep
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[19:36:10] Dagmar: So how is this confusing you then
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[19:36:29] wagnerrp: rather, 2–3x realtime... so if theyre halfhour shows, you may very well get through them in an hour
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[19:37:10] Dagmar: The entire approach of trying to decide whether to have it do jobs one at a time or all five at once is broken
[19:37:32] dserban: Dagmar: well i don't want to starve the backend machine for processing power, all it will really be doing is serving mpeg to the front ends and mythcommflag jobs... the rest is simple, I get it, but I have different options as to what to give the backend server for cpu power and memory, I'm cheap and want to use the crappiest option I have :P
[19:37:34] Dagmar: Diddling that around will not make more than a smidge of difference for the most part
[19:37:38] dserban: and save the rest for other purposes
[19:37:46] Dagmar: What other purposes and why do you care?
[19:37:52] Dagmar: This is what _process priority_ is for
[19:38:12] wagnerrp: mythbackend on a machine with hardware/digital tuners does almost nothing
[19:38:29] Dagmar: If you have job Z which is scheduled with a very low priority and job Y which is scheduled with "regular" priority and they do the same amount of work, Y will complete first
[19:38:56] laga_: where work is defined in terms of cpu cycles
[19:39:12] Dagmar: The CPU will do Y's work until it hits some iowait or other wait condition, and then it'll do Z's work until Y's wait condition clears (oversimplified)
[19:39:41] dserban: Dagmar: I get that.
[19:39:53] wagnerrp: is this frontend decently powerful?
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[19:40:23] Dagmar: So, the only thing you accomplish by trying to shovel more jobs than you have cores onto the machine at once is to create chances for it to fail
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[19:40:32] Dagmar: Pretty much one job per core, or cores+1
[19:40:39] wagnerrp: Dagmar: or he could leave
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[19:40:52] Dagmar: drat
[19:41:00] Dagmar: That could easily be another split
[19:41:27] wagnerrp: no, he had a quit message
[19:41:32] Dagmar: Well stab him with plastic forks for that later, then
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[19:42:00] Dagmar: Although it's possible he just realized how silly his question was and quit from embarassment
[19:43:24] Dagmar: A few months back I put some people through an exercise involving a file cabinet, two telephones (unplugged) and me with a bullhorn
[19:43:35] Dagmar: I think they'll probably never be confused about process scheduling again.  :)
[19:43:41] Dagmar: "WORK FASTER! WORK NAO!"
[19:44:08] Dagmar: I'm damn sure they understand about how file I/O causes wait states now tho.  :)
[19:45:42] Dagmar: In the scenario, each person is a CPU. Their job is to retrieve a "file" from the cabinet, pick up the phone, dial the number on the file, and then say the word on the file
[19:45:53] herr_karl: okay, lol. the __identified by "mythtv";__ statement is the password, right?
[19:46:06] Dagmar: Anyone else's job, including their own, is to answer hte other phone, listen to the name of the new file, and repeat that process
[19:46:09] wagnerrp: 'mythtv' would be the password, correct
[19:46:45] Dagmar: It becomes very obvious very fast that the file cabinet is slow and is a bottleneck
[19:47:01] Dagmar: ...and that there's a maximum number of CPUs that can be useful here
[19:47:43] Dagmar: It's a bit more complex than that, but it's fun to boss freshmen around.  ;)
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[19:48:37] herr_karl: dagmar and wagnerrp ... just took me like 2 month to get that right ...  :)
[19:50:03] Dagmar: *Somewhere* on the wiki it's mentioned but I'm too busy actually working to look it up right now
[19:50:21] Dagmar: I am acutely aware of timeslicing issues at this job
[19:50:59] tzanger: Dagmar: sounds awesome
[19:51:33] Dagmar: Hmm.. Okay maybe the networking thing isn't mentioned in an obvious place on the wiki
[19:52:12] herr_karl: Dagmar: i got confused from that site. it may be outdated, but its the first hin on google:
[19:52:14] herr_karl: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[19:52:24] herr_karl: hin=hit
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[19:58:35] Dagmar: What?
[19:58:42] Dagmar: Ach. Finally I can go back to my desk. gimme a minute
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[19:59:55] gbee: "You'll also need to check that the "networking" feature of MySQL is turned on. Check that /etc/mysql/my.cnf does not contain skip-networking. If it does, either remove that line or comment it out. Also verify that bind-address is set to your IP address instead of 127.0.0.1. If you change either of these items, restart MySQL."
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[20:01:05] herr_karl: right, but nothing about identified by "mythtv" means that mythtv is the new password.. i actually thought it was the user name :)
[20:06:06] herr_karl: anyway, thanks again for helping me out
[20:06:51] Dagmar: herr_karl: If it's saying 'mythtv'@'sitename' there, there's been a miscommunication
[20:06:58] Dagmar: The passwords aren't stored in plaintext
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[20:08:15] herr_karl: not stored, but set as plaintext. by the keyword "identified by" ... did i get that wrong?
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[20:09:38] teknopagan: So, I'm also trying to figure out transcoding. Maybe it's me, but the documentation isn't all that clear on it.
[20:10:59] Dagmar: haha
[20:11:01] Dagmar: It's not just you
[20:11:23] Dagmar: Not only is the documentation a little iffy, transcoding is hideously complex
[20:11:37] Dagmar: herr_karl: I've no idea since I don't know what command you're talking about
[20:11:45] teknopagan: I thought I had my backend set up to automatically transcode, but with half-hour shows taking up 1.1GB, I'm pretty sure it's not working
[20:12:11] Dagmar: herr_karl: Looks like 'identified by' is what sets the password according to SQL docs
[20:13:01] Dagmar: teknopagan: If you picked the highest quality transcoding option, it's probably doing it
[20:13:24] herr_karl: sure. no doubt on that. i just got confused... actually thats stuff i ought to know anyway...
[20:13:34] Dagmar: It's just not going to have much effect becuase the default setting for the 'high-quality' entry (don't bother trying to rename them, by the way) is a "lossless" transcode
[20:14:08] Dagmar: Meaning it doesn't actually re-encode anything, it just lops out the parts that need to be lopped out based on the cutlist (i.e., it removes commercials and only reencodes a few frames here and there at each cut)
[20:14:28] Dagmar: So yeah, it can merrily be doing a whole lot of nothing for you by default
[20:14:33] Dagmar: ...but at least it does it really fast.  :)
[20:14:37] teknopagan: Gotcha. I'm not worried about renaming, but I'd like to get them into a more portable format and reduce file size
[20:14:46] Dagmar: So, I suggest xvid
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[20:16:04] teknopagan: OK, so how would I set that up?
[20:16:27] gbee: 1.1GB? You should try HD at 3.5GB for ~3mins :)
[20:16:33] Dagmar: You go into the setup menus and poosh bottins
[20:16:50] Dagmar: The transcoding templates are in mythtv-setup IIRC
[20:16:58] Dagmar: Reminder: DON'T try to rename them
[20:17:04] Dagmar: ...even if you find a way to do it.
[20:17:11] Dagmar: Bad Things(tm) will happen.
[20:17:27] teknopagan: Right – the db will lose them
[20:17:34] gbee: and be aware that whatever settings you chose for transcoding, you will lose some level of quality
[20:17:36] Dagmar: Oh it's way more amusing than that
[20:17:58] Dagmar: The way those transcoding profiles are referenced is a long series of poorly planned one-offs
[20:18:24] gbee: Dagmar: in the trade we call them 'hacks'
[20:18:30] Dagmar: Unless someone's fixed it, they wind up being actually bound to each individual input device and then some
[20:18:43] teknopagan: Oh, fun
[20:18:45] Dagmar: if you have three tuners, you wind up with three sets of identically-named things
[20:19:01] gbee: someone was recently looking at doing it properly
[20:19:14] Dagmar: gbee: It was a long series of "wow... that's going to be a mess to fix" when I started looking into why things went completely spare when I renamed one
[20:19:36] gbee: it's hideous, that's for sure
[20:20:46] sphery: Dagmar: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5734
[20:21:04] teknopagan: So, in the Setup -> TV Settings --> recording Profiles -> Transcoders menu, I see high, medium and low quality, but also rtjpeg/mpeg4 and mpeg2 autodetect options
[20:21:04] sphery: (guess someone cared enough to actually do something about it)
[20:21:09] gbee: there are better examples of piss poor planning
[20:21:46] Dagmar: Oh yeah
[20:21:54] Dagmar: I could tell how far each person was looking ahead
[20:22:04] Dagmar: It wasn't like the code was _bad_, just short-sighted
[20:22:06] teknopagan: I'm guessing I would want to configure high/medium/low and then choose which for each scheduled recording?
[20:22:49] sphery: or code written one way, then extended by 20 different people in 100 different changes
[20:23:22] sphery: I'd bet the current code doesn't look at all like the initial code
[20:23:28] teknopagan: Is there a way to batch transcode recordings?
[20:24:08] sphery: easiest way is to just start the transcoding on each one
[20:24:37] sphery: they get put in a queue and transcoded in order--with the number of allowed jobs determining how many are processed concurrently
[20:25:10] teknopagan: You say easiest, I hear "individually transcode 131 separate recordings"
[20:25:12] sphery: might be able to add a bunch to a playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options and find something to auto-detect transcode each of them
[20:25:28] sphery: but by adding each one individually, you can select which profile to use for each
[20:25:51] sphery: The /best/ solution, however, is to not transcode
[20:26:04] sphery: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148413 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=
[20:26:17] sphery: transcoding is a waste of energy
[20:26:18] teknopagan: I'm really only concerned about transcoding episodes of one particular show – I want to keep all episodes of Good Eats permanently, but the other shows I dump after watching
[20:26:23] sphery: kills the whales and the trees
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[20:27:00] teknopagan: heh
[20:27:03] sphery: then for permanent archival (assuming that's legal where you live), you should probably do a lossless transcode (assuming MPEG-2) and keep it in full quality
[20:27:03] gbee: disk space is probably cheaper than the electricity used
[20:27:09] sphery: gbee: definitely
[20:27:11] gbee: ok, so I just made that up
[20:27:17] gbee: but it could be true
[20:27:39] gbee: or not, but it's the principal
[20:27:46] sphery: though if you have to add new HDD's (versus upgrading a 250GB HDD to a 2TB HDD), it may be different
[20:28:02] sphery: i.e. there will be a crossover point
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[20:28:17] sphery: If you upgrade a 250GB to a 2TB, you'll likely even /save/ energy (as the new drives are more power efficient)
[20:28:50] Makere: not really
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[20:29:04] Makere: since 2TB hdd's are high on platters
[20:29:15] Makere: and with good luck you got low platter 250
[20:29:19] sphery: as are old 250GB HDD
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[20:29:41] sphery: as chances are people aren't buying new single-platter 250GB HDD's for their myth boxes now
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[20:30:01] Makere: yea but 2TB are 4 platter
[20:30:07] teknopagan: Makere, I would agree with sphery on this, considering that you would need to run 8 250GB HDDs to match the capacity of a single 2TB
[20:30:09] Makere: so 2–3platter 250 would still save money
[20:30:28] herr_karl: just tried to run mythvideo from a remote box. died with a segfault. known problem?
[20:30:44] Makere: teknopagan: but we were talking bout upgrading one 250 to 2TB
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[20:30:50] herr_karl: running .22, videos not mounted
[20:31:43] Dagmar: That would probably be why it's failing then
[20:31:43] teknopagan: True, but I always like to maintain an apples-to-apples stance when comparing
[20:32:33] skd5aner: hehe, that's funny – I save all my episodes of Good Eats too
[20:32:41] teknopagan: So, is there any way I could batch transcode? Even if it's a command-line thing, it would be better than having to manually start transcoding 131 episodes
[20:32:44] skd5aner: it's the only show that I try to keep every episode
[20:32:54] gbee: cookery show?
[20:33:00] teknopagan: right on, skd5aner – my wife gives me all kinds of crap for it, too
[20:33:06] skd5aner: gbee: yea – for nerds :)
[20:33:10] teknopagan: She's a Rachael Ray fan though
[20:33:23] herr_karl: Dagmar: okay, i misunderstood the wiki/MythVideo page.. not using storage groups, so having to mount
[20:33:28] skd5aner: http://www.foodnetwork.com/good-eats/index.html
[20:33:31] herr_karl: ...thanks again
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[20:33:40] Dagmar: *sigh*
[20:33:46] Dagmar: Foodporn is sad.
[20:33:50] justinh: teknopagan: if they're all in the same recording group just add the whole group to a playlist & select job queue on them
[20:33:50] teknopagan: gbee, it's a cooking show that explains the science behind why different cooking techniques work
[20:34:01] gbee: see with something like that the picture/audio quality isn't so important
[20:34:32] teknopagan: Playlist?
[20:34:33] justinh: teknopagan: i.e. with the rec group selected press MENU, add group to playlist. then press MENU again & select 'playlist options' & then transcode
[20:34:36] justinh: yeah
[20:34:38] teknopagan: Haven't seen that option
[20:34:44] skd5aner: gbee: agreed – I used to use nuvexport, but have had so many problems with it for the last 2–3 years that I gave up and have a ton of episodes in my SGs waiting to go elsewhere
[20:34:47] teknopagan: Oh, sweet
[20:34:57] justinh: teknopagan: I use that a lot for heavy deletions :)
[20:35:20] teknopagan: Oh, that's awesome
[20:35:31] teknopagan: I are happy now
[20:36:43] skd5aner: Yea – I typically don't like "cooking shows" or even the food network, but I like Good Eats because it's a very techical show
[20:36:43] gbee: heh, even I wasn't aware you could apply job options to stuff in a playlist and I ported that code ...
[20:36:46] teknopagan: Can't wait to see how much reduction I get
[20:37:02] justinh: gbee: there's powah in them thar playlists mon
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[20:37:10] skd5aner: usually they focus on an ingredient, or technique, and go into detail behind it
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[20:37:37] skd5aner: teknopagan: don't forget, if you transcode, it'll still remain in your watch recordings list
[20:37:43] Dagmar: Science does not need to explan why tobasco goes well with almost anything
[20:37:50] teknopagan: Imagine a cooking show that uses ridiculous props to explain the scientific principles behind, say, letting meat rest after cooking
[20:37:50] skd5aner: also, there is an option to keep the original file, which wouldn't save you any space
[20:37:58] justinh: gbee: marking a whole boatload to expire or not expire would be cool too, hence my patch from about 9 months ago ;)
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[20:38:24] teknopagan: And those props are, like, little army men assaulting a giant foam steak
[20:38:41] justinh: hmm just thought it might be kinda cool to have search results go in a playlist.. wonder if that's possible yet
[20:38:51] justinh: haven't played with 0.22 much yet to my shame
[20:39:06] gbee: skd5aner: I enjoyed an episode of a series over here where they go into detail on the production of an ingredient or food product, e.g. I'll never eat corn flakes again because they are 90% artificial
[20:39:18] justinh: lol
[20:39:24] justinh: Jimmy's Food Factory was ace
[20:39:26] skd5aner: I heard another dev the other day where they are still running .21 on their prod box, can't remember who it was... gbee maybe?
[20:39:27] teknopagan: gbee, is that Unwrapped?
[20:39:40] justinh: skd5aner: if you count me as a dev, me
[20:39:54] gbee: teknopagan: the show justinh mentioned
[20:40:10] skd5aner: justinh: you've got to commit something in the last 6 months for me to call you a dev ;) (j/k)
[20:40:17] justinh: skd5aner: looks like I'll be skipping 0.22 when I upgrade. no reason other than convenience
[20:40:20] teknopagan: Gotcha
[20:40:26] justinh: skd5aner: I did :)
[20:40:39] gbee: skd5aner: I am running 0.21-fixes on my prod box, that won't change anytime soon since I'm too busy to change it
[20:40:40] justinh: I broke mythmusic's progress bar several times :D
[20:40:47] skd5aner: hehe
[20:41:21] justinh: skd5aner: found it was broken for very long tracks
[20:41:38] skd5aner: gbee: out of curiousity, not to be nosey, but do you have to accomidate for WAF or family, or anything on your prod environment?
[20:41:42] gbee: plus it works and there is no particular feature in 0.22 that I need on that box (yet)
[20:41:46] justinh: simple c++ maths had me very confused for a while
[20:41:54] teknopagan: Is there anything about what's coming up in 0.23 in the wiki?
[20:42:07] gbee: skd5aner: not especially, I'm not married etc
[20:42:17] justinh: whatever contributors contribute in time :)
[20:42:26] gbee: but I like to keep things familiar for friends/family visiting etc
[20:42:41] skd5aner: gbee: was just curious, if you were keeping it a .21 for friends/family reasons :)
[20:42:52] skd5aner: sounds more like "time"
[20:43:17] teknopagan: Any reason *not* to go to 0.22? The interface looks brilliant, but I do have the WAF to contend with
[20:43:20] sphery: Makere: fwiw, http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/di . . . 0529369e.pdf shows 5.0W idle/6.57W operating for 7200.11's (160GB to 1TB models) and http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/di . . . 0564361c.pdf shows 4.30W idle and 6.80W operating for 1.5 and 2TB models. That's 0.23W greater usage when operating, but 0.70W less when idle.
[20:43:23] gbee: WAF or any variation of it plays no part in the decision, it's purely time and my desire not to break something to then spend hours fixing it again
[20:43:49] Makere: seagate is poop
[20:43:51] sphery: and the 7200.12's are actually new drives
[20:43:54] skd5aner: teknoppagan: I say no – was easy enough for my wife to pick up on the differences (with a 5 min demo of some of the navigational changes, etc)
[20:44:04] teknopagan: bah, Makere, Seagate is better than most
[20:44:09] sphery: but the same applies to all the other manufacturers...
[20:44:14] Makere: teknopagan: worst than most
[20:44:19] sphery: they're all just starting to focus on power usage
[20:44:21] gbee: teknopagan: I don't think there is any reason not to, but I'd always recommend waiting for a few weeks, maybe a couple of months after a release since that's when the bugs emerge and get fixed
[20:44:27] Makere: seagate = maxtor nowadays since they bought it
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[20:44:40] Makere: and maxtor = uber crap
[20:44:47] teknopagan: I look at Seagate's warranty as the deciding factor
[20:44:48] skd5aner: I've had them all – and I thikn they are almost all equally as good or bad
[20:44:48] sphery: but I guess "<whatever> is poop" is a logical argument I can't dispute
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[20:44:53] justinh: Makere: here's a fact for you – where I work we use a variety of HDD manufacturers. No one is any more unreliable than the others. They all fail sooner or later
[20:45:02] Dagmar: Except for Maxtor
[20:45:07] Dagmar: Maxtor always fail "sooner"
[20:45:12] Makere: yea maxtor just fails
[20:45:19] justinh: not according to our stats
[20:45:21] skd5aner: WD, Seagate, Maxtor, Samsung – all drives I'm running right now that I can think of off the top of my head
[20:45:25] Makere: but seagate has lots of problems which cause failing
[20:45:34] justinh: there's barely even 0.5% between them all
[20:45:38] Dagmar: Seagate has lately been plagued with a bonehead firmware issue
[20:45:39] sphery: I have 2 13.6GB Maxtors still in use
[20:45:57] Dagmar: justinh: You're not buying 'consumer' drives tho are you
[20:46:02] Makere: I prefer Samsung and WD
[20:46:06] justinh: Dagmar: pretty much are yeah
[20:46:06] skd5aner: Dagmar: very true... I think they had some 1.5TB drives that were dirt cheap because they couldn't get the firmware right for over a year :P
[20:46:08] sphery: All other 10–15GB HDD's I own failed except one Seagate 15GB
[20:46:09] teknopagan: I always buy Seagate, and have had almost no problems with early failure
[20:46:16] gbee: it's not scientific but the last drive I had fail was Seagate – I mean it when I say that's a meaningless fact
[20:46:21] Dagmar: I've got two different kiosk-like machines both with Maxtor 20Gbs that are failing
[20:46:21] justinh: Dagmar: we didn't fall for the SV type spiel they came out with
[20:46:32] sphery: I had failures of WD, Quantum, IBM, Hitachi
[20:46:37] justinh: 'optimised for XYZ' BS
[20:46:41] Makere: I used to have a seagate which was just slow and made lots of noise
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[20:46:41] sphery: I've also had failures of Seagates and Maxtors
[20:46:50] Makere: it didn't fail, it was otherwise horrible
[20:46:50] sphery: I think, "they all die" pretty much sums it up
[20:46:52] Dagmar: The only WD drives I've had fail before they were very, very obsolete were ones I threw out
[20:46:58] skd5aner: Oh yea, I've got some hitatchi drives too
[20:47:00] Dagmar: I've yet to throw out any still good Maxtor disks
[20:47:03] gbee: I'm very happy with Samsung and invariably pick their drives when it comes times to upgrade, the recent emergency upgrade was WD though
[20:47:11] teknopagan: All HDD's fail, but Seagate has the best customer service and RMA experience that I've seen
[20:47:15] justinh: put anything in 24/7 service for a few years & it'll show its age eventually
[20:47:27] sphery: I have a 160GB Hitachi that's been clicking (one to 4 clicks every 3 seconds) for over a year now
[20:47:28] skd5aner: Honestly – the deciding factor for me used to be warranty – but I think everyone is 3 years now
[20:47:28] Dagmar: person me I mistyped there.. The only WD drives I've had fail before they were very, very obsolete were ones I _dropped_
[20:47:38] Makere: I've only had to return Maxtor HDD's to warranty
[20:47:38] sphery: still works and no indication of lost data
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[20:47:59] sphery: basically, they'll all fail, though
[20:48:03] teknopagan: Heh...anyway, I'm all set for now
[20:48:05] Makere: anyways Samsung F3 looks pretty awesome if looking for 1TB drives
[20:48:07] Makere: cheapo ones
[20:48:17] Makere: cheap and fast plus pretty silent
[20:48:20] teknopagan: Talk to y'all later this week when I come back on to upgrade to 0.22
[20:48:20] skd5aner: I've got a WD drive right now that if you nudge it it will lose power – finally had to pull it out of the array because it was just constantly powering on and off anymore
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[20:48:29] justinh: maybe if more consumers knew how to treat HDDs they'd all last a bit longer :D
[20:48:32] sphery: In 1–5 years, you can tell me if it's really awesome
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[20:48:44] sphery: as until it's died, it's all just crystal-ball guesswork
[20:48:53] skd5aner: sphery: +1
[20:49:06] justinh: actually if more component sheds knew how to treat HDDs they might all last longer
[20:49:24] sphery: newegg is taking a lot of complaints about how they ship the OEM drives
[20:49:34] sphery: I've gotten a bunch without issue, though
[20:49:39] justinh: and here's your new drive sir.. whacks it down on the desk in just an antistatic bag.. "and you can give me a brand new one now please.. I'm not having that one"
[20:49:42] sphery: Of course, I don't /look/ for issues :)
[20:50:17] gbee: I still look to that Google report on HDD failure rates where they obliterated the myth about temperature etc
[20:50:40] justinh: gbee: we've seen pretty much the same kind of results in our own stats
[20:50:48] Makere: tbh I didn't read the review completely
[20:50:59] Makere: report
[20:51:14] Makere: but doubt google was running those drives over 45C
[20:51:29] justinh: heh we do. rather our customers do
[20:51:36] Makere: yea
[20:51:50] justinh: they put our DVRs in sealed metal boxes outdoors in hot countries
[20:51:54] Makere: I would see them getting affected by "extreme" temp
[20:52:00] gbee: the summary was basically some % of drives are going to fail no matter what and outside factors like temp play no real roll
[20:52:05] Dagmar: High temps will definitely murder the electronics on drives
[20:52:22] gbee: role
[20:52:28] Makere: my samsungs run around 22–26C
[20:52:31] Makere: depending the load
[20:52:34] Dagmar: They're talking about DC "high temps" which are enough to make a human sweat, but that's about it
[20:52:41] justinh: accidentally sent a DVR to 90 deg C in our environmental chamber once. It lasted 12 hours & kept going after that
[20:52:51] justinh: that was a Maxtor
[20:52:57] Makere: 90 deg C?
[20:52:57] Dagmar: You got lucky man
[20:53:02] Makere: 90C?
[20:53:06] justinh: Makere: yup
[20:53:09] gbee: Google do run drives under high temps at least experimentally in their chiller-less datacentres
[20:53:10] Makere: 90°C
[20:53:14] Dagmar: A lot of drives will just shut the hell down immediately the moment they start to hit say, 150F or so
[20:53:23] Makere: took a minute to remember the button combo for °
[20:53:25] justinh: I wasn't trained to program the chamber properly, so wrecked the test unit
[20:53:53] justinh: the front panel of the DVR got a bit.. melted. LOL
[20:54:03] Makere: I've been into a 90°C sauna, I wouldn't take a HDD with me to there lol
[20:55:21] justinh: rescued some HDDs from a DVR which was in a warehouse fire for police evidence. the drives worked for long enough for me to clone em – there was no plastic left on the DVR at all & most of the PCB was badly singed. Oh and the perps were caught & got sent down :)
[20:57:08] Dagmar: Jesus
[20:57:15] Dagmar: CNN has a story on claver's grandfather
[20:57:21] Makere: claver?
[20:57:26] Dagmar: er clever
[20:57:36] Makere: clever's?
[20:57:41] Dagmar: Apparently this dude made a full sized stagecoach out of _toothpicks_
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[20:58:06] Dagmar: When you see some of clever's solutions to problems, it'll make sense
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[20:59:29] Makere: they had this dude on news that was like 90yrs and built a house inside a mountain tunnel, then he was expanding it by blowing up parts
[21:00:00] Dagmar: His heating/cooling bills are probably miniscule
[21:00:11] Dagmar: I could deal with having my own mountain fortress
[21:00:41] Makere: I think he warmed it up with firewood
[21:00:45] justinh: yeah but how cheap are explosives?
[21:00:47] Makere: had built a chimney out of the place
[21:00:52] Makere: pretty cheap
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[21:01:39] skd5aner: a fireplace with an open chimney would probably actually COOL the place rather than heat, fireplaces like that are notorious for only producing radiant heat
[21:01:44] justinh: crap. that question just bought me a visit from the black helicopters
[21:02:24] skd5aner: but – given that hes inside the mountain, it's probably about 56 degrees year round, and he can easily use geothermal heat pumps to cool/heat the place
[21:02:30] gbee: justinh: this is the US they're talking about, where you can buy guns, ammunition and explosives along with milk at the corner store and still have change from a $1 bill
[21:02:43] justinh: ahh yes
[21:02:46] Dagmar: Actually, you can't buy explosives quite that directly
[21:03:05] Makere: you just need licenses
[21:03:10] skd5aner: Yea – it's the one thing the ATF actually regulates pretty stringently
[21:03:16] Dagmar: You can buy the things you need to make into explosives, but you'll probably get a visit from some concerned FBI agents in a few days
[21:04:12] skd5aner: Although the A the T and the F are not that hard to get :)
[21:04:22] Dagmar: Now, if you feel like being somewhat renegade about it, if you can find some leftover M-80's from the 4th there's all kinds of places that sell bags of fertilizer
[21:04:54] Dagmar: The key being to look for bags that are very obviously labeled things like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T STACK THESE MORE THAN FOUR HIGH!"
[21:05:17] Dagmar: Theyv'e got lots of lively added nitrogen in them.
[21:05:23] skd5aner: ha – or where the key ingredient is amonium nitrate (or nitrite?)
[21:05:29] Dagmar: Stuff 'em in a hole, pack 'em down good with a shovel, put in an M-80, light, RUN LIKE HELL
[21:06:03] skd5aner: then post the video on youtube
[21:06:39] Dagmar: I'd rather people didn't
[21:06:59] Dagmar: There are very few "minor" accidents involving demolitions
[21:07:33] skd5aner: Well, if your dumb enough to play around with explosives in that kind of manner, you're more than likely filming it too
[21:07:41] Dagmar: We removed a large stump from the ground once using three bags of fertilizer
[21:07:56] Dagmar: Seismologists at a nearby community college noticed.
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[21:08:23] Dagmar: At the last minute we put a big chain on the stump and tethered it to the ground with a leftover grounding stake
[21:08:43] Dagmar: This was a good thing because the entire stump made this _scary_ arc and slammed into the ground at the other end of the tether
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[21:08:59] Dagmar: At no point did we think about where that arc would terminate.
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[21:09:07] gbee: half decent seismograph would notice a lorry driving past a mile away
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[21:10:46] Dagmar: Dude we made a crater like you would not believe
[21:11:01] Dagmar: Part of the reason it was big was because there was a lot of stump involved, but still
[21:11:06] gbee: oh I can well believe that ;)
[21:11:10] Dagmar: "Adults" on the scene later practically freaked out. Hehe
[21:11:26] Dagmar: it made a BIG hole and it was a good thing we chained the stump down
[21:12:23] Dagmar: It absolutley got rid of the stump in one go tho. :)
[21:12:39] Dagmar: No stump grinding needed there.  :)
[21:14:10] Dagmar: O wait, my mistake. Three holes, two bags each so six bags of fertilizer
[21:14:21] Dagmar: We thought the explosive force of each bag wouldn't be all that much
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[21:15:18] Dagmar: Of course, if they'd simply made it easier for us to get two sticks of dynamite we'd have just used that
[21:15:38] gbee: we played with simple stuff like thermite using ingredients borrowed from the lab at school, ruined my friend's patio
[21:15:47] gbee: or more accurately, his parent's patio
[21:15:50] Dagmar: Hehe
[21:16:03] Dagmar: We were smart enough to stay in the bits of yard that were barren for that
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[21:16:37] gbee: who'd have thought that Thermite would burn through concrete slabs? :p
[21:16:47] skd5aner: never played with thermite before, but that stuff looks cool
[21:16:48] Dagmar: You don't really have to do much explaining away of a burnt bit of yard, so long as no one notices you turned it into isinglas
[21:17:01] Dagmar: skd5aner: It burns _everything_
[21:17:13] Dagmar: gbee: Anyoe with even a passing familiarity with it
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[21:17:24] gbee: I've no idea how he explained it to them, we were long gone ;)
[21:17:29] Dagmar: heheh
[21:17:54] Dagmar: skd5aner: Thermite (as far as I know) is most commonly used for "scuttling" equipment
[21:18:13] Dagmar: Let's say you have a tank, and there's a chance you might have to abandon it and you don't want the enemy fixing it up later
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[21:18:27] Dagmar: You put little containers of thermite all throughout it's inside
[21:18:50] Dibblah: Not even close.
[21:18:53] gbee: actually the most common usage is surprisingly practical – joining sections of rail track
[21:18:57] Dagmar: If you have to abandon the tank, you push a button to start a short timer and GET THE HELL AWAY
[21:19:05] Dibblah: Most common use of thermite is, as gbee said. :(
[21:19:11] Dagmar: gbee: Oh cool. I never thought to use it for something constructive
[21:19:28] wagnerrp: well you dont have to be that far away
[21:19:40] Dibblah: It produces a very pure, very hot weld pool.
[21:19:40] wagnerrp: i mean its very hot, but not very explosive
[21:19:46] gbee: using a rig and mould clamped onto the track you puddle molten iron
[21:19:46] wagnerrp: well... unless you hit the fuel tank
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[21:20:08] Dibblah: Or water.
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[21:20:23] Dibblah: Water dissociates at that temperature.
[21:20:48] wagnerrp: yeah, but it wont get to that temperature since it will flash to steam and throw everything away
[21:21:10] Dagmar: ;Oh yes. water definitely will not put out thermite
[21:21:10] Dagmar: It burns until it's done.
[21:21:21] Dibblah: Which you wouldn't describe as explosive?
[21:21:23] Dibblah: ;)
[21:21:32] Dibblah: Well, true – technically not.
[21:21:33] wagnerrp: well its not explosive on its own
[21:21:45] Dibblah: Since the wavefront is not travelling above the speed of sound.
[21:22:48] wagnerrp: well if you want to get THAT technical, with explosive/combustive
[21:23:03] wagnerrp: i just mean it wont throw stuff on its own
[21:23:06] Dagmar: it's reaction isn't particularly fast..
[21:23:09] Dagmar: It's just damn near unstoppable
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[21:23:25] Dagmar: It doesn't really expand much either... just hellishly exothermic
[21:25:09] gbee: thing about thermite is that the constituents aren't exotic, Aluminium filings and Iron Oxide (rust) normally ignited with magnesium (ribbon if you want a fuse) – it's well within the reach of any school boy
[21:25:26] Dibblah: ... Or hard drive manufacturer.
[21:25:28] justinh: for all the talk about avoiding dodgy subjects like stealing movies & teevees I think I'd tend to be more worried about this channel being noted for the current topic. lol
[21:25:46] wagnerrp: justinh: hey, at least they wont sue us!
[21:27:01] Dagmar: I made my own powdered aluminum using some beer cans and an autmotive file
[21:27:10] Dagmar: Rust is _easy_ to come by
[21:27:15] dan4dm: can i confirm pls: in 0.22 the "Watch recordings" section there's now no option to delete a recording? (IIRC it was in the popup menu in 0.21)
[21:27:18] justinh: magnesium.. hrm..
[21:27:28] justinh: dan4dm: BS. bring up the info menu
[21:27:32] justinh: or press duh
[21:27:32] iamlindoro: dan4dm: still in the popup menu
[21:27:35] justinh: duh for delete
[21:27:37] Dagmar: justinh: Holiday "sparklers" will do the trick in a pinch
[21:27:45] wagnerrp: considering your area, there should be plenty in your neighbor's front yard
[21:27:48] dan4dm: thanks
[21:28:28] Dagmar: wagnerrp: You make that joke but we did actually get our rust from part of an old car
[21:28:28] wagnerrp: heh
[21:28:42] Dagmar: Do not use thermite for tree trimming
[21:28:42] justinh: I incinerated 3 dud HDDs last Nov 5
[21:28:45] Dagmar: Just an FYI
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[21:28:58] justinh: not with thermite I might add. be nice to have though
[21:28:58] Dagmar: Trees have liquidy sap in them.
[21:29:01] gbee: justinh: well I've often thought you could do far more damage with Thermite than most of these lunatic plots we're supposed to believe were masterminded by Al-Qaeda in this country – take those doctors who filled a car with petrol, butane gas cylinders and nails ... wtf? It's the lamest idea imaginable ....
[21:29:06] dan4dm: wait, which popup menu? when i press "menu" on my remote i get "Recording list menu" but no delete option within
[21:29:18] justinh: gbee: myers, I figured the same
[21:29:19] Dagmar: The last thing you want is flaming thermite burning it's way through something that might pop like popcorn. BAD things will happen
[21:29:26] wagnerrp: that sounds remarkably similar to the ideas of using tactical nukes for ground excavation
[21:29:57] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Well, as an experiment done at a good distance, we tried to use a bit of it to start a campfire made with wet wood
[21:30:14] justinh: gbee: likewise the BS about chemical explosives in 2 parts carried onto planes & mixed in pop bottles. FFS
[21:30:19] wagnerrp: this may be a first... a website has been 'xkcd'd
[21:31:01] Dagmar: How do you get xkcd'd?
[21:31:19] Dagmar: What's SkiFree got to do with mythTV?
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[21:31:22] wagnerrp: the entire following of xkcd goes to your website to try to download skifree
[21:31:33] Dagmar: Ah
[21:31:40] gbee: justinh: just one reason that I tend to think the whole islamic terrorist 'threat' is the product of a government who wants to scare the shit out of us so we won't oppose their draconian legislation, we were both alive in this country when the IRA were detonating real massive bombs on a weekly basis
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[21:31:44] wagnerrp: oh come on... what does thermite have to do with mythtv
[21:31:46] wagnerrp: :P
[21:31:52] Dagmar: You run ihoc.net?
[21:31:55] wagnerrp: no
[21:32:03] wagnerrp: but the site is unresponsive
[21:32:11] Dagmar: Ah
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[21:33:39] Dibblah: dan4dm: There's menu and info.
[21:33:45] Dibblah: Two separate menus.
[21:33:54] justinh: gbee: aye. sad fact is though I don't think the public even needs to be fooled. they're mostly just asleep anyway. You know that Katie Price? She quit I'm A Celeb you know!
[21:34:09] dan4dm: Dibblah: ah! thanks.
[21:34:09] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Explosives are a good way of dealing with hard drives you accidentally recorded Manos: Hand of Fate onto
[21:34:21] justinh: dan4dm: I said the INFO menu
[21:34:25] Dagmar: Plus, this is the internet.
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[21:34:31] gbee: I lived in Chesire, shopped in Manchester at the Arndale centre or in Warrington etc, yet no-one was living in fear back then, my grandparents were air raid wardens in London and Liverpool during the blitz with hundreds of bombs raining down ... but we're supposed to surrender basic liberties for a few idiots who can't even tie their own shoe-laces?
[21:34:42] dan4dm: justinh: thanks
[21:34:42] Dagmar: Just be glad we're not discussing the finer points of how to make an atomic bomb.
[21:34:47] wagnerrp: no, i dont think thermite would be sufficient to cleanse that
[21:34:57] Dagmar: There's probably at least a half dozen people here who could pull it off.
[21:34:59] Dibblah: Or how to get through airport security.
[21:35:09] Dagmar: Man that's not even hard
[21:35:19] dan4dm: shame my remote only has one button "menu (i)" – time to pick a nice mapping...
[21:35:20] wagnerrp: well knowing *how* to build one is one thing
[21:35:21] justinh: Dagmar: yeah – just don't be a *passenger*
[21:35:25] Dibblah: Now that would get us into trouble for sure, with echelon watching and all.
[21:35:33] gbee: anyway, this is a subject on which I'm liable to rant for hours, so to save everyone that I'll go and watch some recordings
[21:35:44] Dibblah: Huh?
[21:35:52] Dibblah: You can watch TV with Myth?
[21:35:53] justinh: I fell asleep during Top Gear earlier
[21:35:55] wagnerrp: actually having access to the robotic machine tools, and your own breeder reactor is another
[21:35:57] Dibblah: Hmmm.
[21:36:05] Dagmar: wagnerrp: You don't need robots
[21:36:32] Dagmar: ...and in case you didn't notice, Boy Scouts have made breeder reactors before
[21:36:45] Dagmar: Like, _succesfully_ created breeder reactors
[21:36:49] wagnerrp: well you can stand at that CNC mill and operate it manually on your own
[21:36:51] gbee: justinh: heh, they're not even trying to pretend their mishaps are accidental now, it's lost something IMHO
[21:37:06] wagnerrp: yeah, i remember the story of the one who did it for a merit badge
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[21:37:12] wagnerrp: in a shed in his back yard
[21:37:17] Dagmar: Yep.
[21:37:23] Dagmar: They had to take the entire shed and store it away
[21:38:12] Dagmar: All the fancy milling is just for maximizing yeild
[21:38:26] Dagmar: Any idiot can make one big enough to level a house
[21:38:36] Dagmar: Thankfully, to date, no idiots have done this that we're aware of
[21:38:49] wagnerrp: well then youve just made a dirty bomb, hardly noteworthy
[21:38:55] Dagmar: Exactly.
[21:39:22] Dagmar: I figure if someone finds out about thermite, at least it _goes out_ after a few minutes
[21:39:28] Dagmar: ...not decades.
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[21:39:56] wagnerrp: youve got to intentionally retard a bomb to get anything under a couple kT
[21:42:10] justinh: dan4dm: or you can join the quest to help rationalise the menus in mythtv & hopefully come up with good ideas to whittle em down to just ONE menu button
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[21:42:55] justinh: one of the many things on my to-do list, but prolly my biggest pet hate to date
[21:43:27] justinh: well that & the fact there's still no Hannah Montannah theme
[21:43:58] Dagmar: Don't tempt me
[21:44:14] Dagmar: There's a Hanna Montanah Linux distribution one could _easily_ pillage graphics from
[21:44:27] dan4dm: justinh: yeah! sounds good. eventually we can just have one button that does everything
[21:44:30] dan4dm: or nothing
[21:44:33] wagnerrp: really...
[21:44:41] wagnerrp: thats it, game over... everyone go home
[21:44:49] Dagmar: If you'd like to start hearing from people needing help who are actually running Hannah Montanah Linux, just keep talkin'. heh
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[21:45:13] justinh: lol I saw that HM distro linked from somwhere the other week
[21:45:34] Dagmar: It was used for rootwarz targets at PhreakNIC this year
[21:45:39] dan4dm: does hannah montana linux come round often in here? i'm sure this is where i heard of it a week or two ago
[21:45:44] justinh: based on ubuntu I believe
[21:45:56] Dagmar: Yep. It's debianish
[21:46:15] justinh: I prolly made an exclamation about stumbling upon it
[21:46:21] Dagmar: Most people do
[21:46:23] dan4dm: that sounds right
[21:46:26] dan4dm: lol
[21:47:06] justinh: still.. Miley Cyrus would make a better mascot than a stoned looking penguin
[21:47:26] Dagmar: Hence, "Tassie"
[21:47:40] dscoular: justinh: how do I "seek" properly ?
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[21:48:08] laga_: ask your guru?
[21:48:10] justinh: dscoular: bloody hell man you take some hours to come back
[21:48:11] wagnerrp: i still say a creepy bunny would be a better mascot... http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=6174
[21:48:20] iamlindoro: By using buttons bound to the seek functionality and not the skip functionality
[21:48:29] justinh: what he just said ^^^
[21:49:38] iamlindoro: See you all in four hours when he responds to that one
[21:49:42] wagnerrp: laga_: the guru is off meditating, he gave me this hex code
[21:50:06] ** iamlindoro is strongly considering sneaking out the back door and going home **
[21:50:20] justinh: four? the questioin was like 12 hours ago
[21:50:35] wagnerrp: if you leave now, you may make it back home at normal time
[21:50:35] iamlindoro: yeah, but I figure now we've got his interest
[21:50:40] justinh: hmm I think I'm a bit tired
[21:50:58] iamlindoro: so only a four hour turnaround on an actual conversation
[21:51:03] dscoular: justinh: I'm in Australia so the timezone sucks... when you talk about seek you mean the functionality I already have bound to left and right arrow keys...where it does 3x 10x 30x 60x etc... I want to jump forward in fixed amounts.
[21:51:26] wagnerrp: type a number, hit left or right
[21:52:09] iamlindoro: dscoular: It'll only say "not flagged" if you are trying to use the commercial skip functionality
[21:52:15] justinh: the TZ sucks? but you asked a question which me & gbee responded to.. and you didn't come back for almost 12 hours. dunno wtf that has to do with the timezone
[21:52:18] iamlindoro: which is separate from the single-time-unit skips
[21:52:42] iamlindoro: You are pressing a button bound to the functionlity to jump to the next break, not a fixed incriment
[21:53:08] dscoular: justinh: sorry, I asked a question late at night... then had to go to bed before I got a response
[21:53:35] iamlindoro: You got a response *literally* 30 seconds after asking
[21:53:42] iamlindoro: you don't leave much margin for a response....
[21:53:52] iamlindoro: [07:29:35] dscoular: so how do I get mythvideo 0.22 to jump forward and back without it telling me "not flagged" ?
[21:53:53] iamlindoro: [07:30:05] justinh: don't use commercial skip then.
[21:53:57] dscoular: hmm... I waited about 10 mins my end
[21:53:59] laga_: maybe his mom called for him?
[21:54:05] dscoular: :D
[21:54:18] iamlindoro: [07:31:40] gbee: dscoular: you are using the wrong seek option
[21:54:28] dan4dm: sometimes you've got to prioritise bed over tv
[21:54:31] iamlindoro: Kinda like what we all just told you right now...
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[21:54:51] iamlindoro: sometimes if you're going to get online and get free tech support you should read the answers, especially those given within a minute
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[21:55:09] iamlindoro: oh... and he's asleep again
[21:55:11] dan4dm: iamlindoro: yup :)
[21:55:17] dscoular: gbee: so I have two sets of keys bound to commercial skip ? < > and Q and Z ?
[21:55:27] iamlindoro: gbee isn't talking to you
[21:55:36] iamlindoro: he talked to you yesterday
[21:55:54] iamlindoro: or is that conversation just getting in now?
[21:56:12] iamlindoro: like cranial time dilation
[21:58:43] justinh: what you need is some kind of time speculum, but in reverse. wait there's something wrong about that thought...
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[21:59:48] dscoular: justinh: apologies for my flawed irc netiquette...
[22:04:07] dscoular: justinh: it appears > and < are bound to "Fast Forward (Sticky) or Forward one frame while paused" and "Rewind (Sticky) or Rewind one frame while paused" FFWDSTICKY RWNDSTICKY but I still see "not flagged". I'm missing something...
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[22:07:08] justinh: you sure youre remote is using > and < though>
[22:07:10] justinh: ?
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[22:08:01] dserban: Dagmar: sorry about abruptly quittin'... conference call.
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[22:10:06] dscoular: justinh: that's what's in my ~/.mythtv/lircrc... but I can try the keyboard when I get home
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[22:10:12] dserban: Anyway, you were schooling me on process priority... I guess I was asking the wrong question. I just want to get a feel for the performace I should expect from certain cpu's for mythcommflag, I know that if you prioritize one process over another, it'll finish first, but as a general rule, I just want to know the FPS or whatever measurement I can expect from one cpu vs the other. The wiki has some information, but I don't fi
[22:10:12] dserban: nd it complete enough. Though I think I know what I'll be using for the backend machine. So the point is moot :P
[22:10:19] dserban: arrgh, too verbose again
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[22:11:45] dan4dm: ok, from inside the Programme Guide, is there a button which should take me to livetv on the currently-highlighted channel?
[22:12:15] justinh: select
[22:12:33] justinh: if you enable 'select changes channel' in the EPG settings page
[22:13:00] dan4dm: justinh: ahaaaaaaa! magic setting! thanks
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[22:15:55] dan4dm: actually that still doesn't do what i expect – does 'select' correspond to space or return on the keyboard?
[22:16:08] dan4dm: both of those still pop up the menu rather than start livetv
[22:16:34] dan4dm: maybe the channel-change action only happens if i've already gone into livetv before opening a guide?
[22:19:04] dan4dm: yes that's it
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[22:21:15] dustybin: dmesg | grep segfault returns nothing :D mythtv .22 ftw
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[22:26:46] dscoular: justinh: found the culprit... my lircd.conf has double entries... sorry for the time waste.
[22:27:17] dustybin: dmesg is full of: [1157962.633232] dib0700: Unknown remote controller key: 0000 0c f3
[22:27:37] dustybin: ive tried all sorts of methods to rid those messages, but no joy
[22:28:29] dan4dm: dscoular: hooray for fix!
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[22:29:07] Dagmar: dustybin: Have you tried smearing tuna fish on it?
[22:29:41] dustybin: im not a great fan of fash
[22:39:44] justinh: mm tuner fash
[22:40:40] justinh: smearing tuna on a remote might make the errant cat press on the buttons more
[22:41:18] justinh: or your IR receiver might just be getting interference from lights or electrical noise
[22:42:43] dustybin: hmmmm
[22:42:44] dustybin: 23558 ? S< 0:00 hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event3 /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event0
[22:43:05] dustybin: why is hal listening to my ir reciever
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[22:46:26] dustybin: justinh: there must be a way to disable the messages
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[22:48:12] dustybin: if one looks at line 549 of this code: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ . . . 00_devices.c
[22:48:44] dustybin: maybe i could just delete lines 549–551 then i will not experience those problems
[22:50:33] dustybin: lets try..
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[22:53:28] teknopagan: Uh-oh!
[22:54:00] teknopagan: When I transcode, the closed captions are disappearing
[22:55:32] teknopagan: Do I have to rip the captions out to an .srt file before transcoding, or is there something else going on?
[22:56:50] justinh: lesson to be learned here is not to transcode if you wanna keep captions
[22:57:55] teknopagan: Would've been nice to get a warning to that effect in the docs somewhere
[22:57:59] justinh: I learned another lesson a while back. you can't keep everything forever
[22:58:27] justinh: teknopagan: anybody can contribute to the docs :)
[22:59:36] teknopagan: heh – true
[23:02:50] teknopagan: OK, well, is there a way to cancel transcoding jobs?
[23:03:31] wagnerrp: in the information center
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[23:07:11] teknopagan: OK, saved all but 15 at least
[23:12:34] teknopagan: Thanks, guys
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[23:12:41] iamlindoro: Hahaha, The last time I used XChat on this laptop I was pestering about getting my MythVideo Season/Episode support in
[23:12:48] iamlindoro: now there's no living with me
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[23:13:59] oobe: as in undead
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[23:34:14] Josh_: my /tmp partition is full of a bunch of ~5MB mythtv-related files. It's only 350MB. Should mythtv be taking that much space in /tmp, or should I just make /tmp bigger and deal with it?
[23:34:56] Dibblah: "mythtv related files" meaning which files specifically?
[23:35:03] Dibblah: (pastebin if large)
[23:35:14] Dibblah: The ls, not the files themselves.
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[23:35:47] Josh_: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1687452
[23:36:31] Josh_: wait.
[23:36:35] kormoc: grabber crashes, just delete them, and they're only 1k each
[23:37:31] Josh_: awful lot of grabber crashes.. And your'e right, they're only 1k, I must have gotten them mixed up.
[23:37:48] Dibblah: Also, you're having temporary tables left behind.
[23:37:54] Dibblah: Check for mysql crashes.
[23:38:06] kormoc: could be related
[23:38:09] Josh_: no. those are 1k DIRECTORIES.
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[23:38:26] kormoc: whoops, missed the d
[23:38:57] Josh_: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1687457
[23:39:31] Dibblah: What's in one of them?
[23:39:55] Dibblah: ... Looks like something to do with data direct to me...
[23:40:16] Dibblah: ie mythfilldatabase is not completing properly.
[23:40:43] Josh_: contents of one of the folders:
[23:40:47] Josh_: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1687458
[23:41:06] Josh_: Dibblah: looking through the logfile, there are large amounts of mythfilldatabase crashes.
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[23:42:56] Josh_: memory corruption, corrupted double-linked list...
[23:43:29] Dibblah: mfdb is quite processor / memory intensive.
[23:43:38] Dibblah: If you have heat issues, it will highlight it.
[23:44:04] Josh_: heat issues? hmm. This is an EXTREMELY well ventilated case.
[23:44:22] Josh_: mabye heatsink not making good contact.
[23:44:46] Dibblah: Try running it manually and see what it looks like.
[23:45:07] Josh_: for now though, it's safe to delete all the directories?
[23:45:25] Dibblah: Yes.
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[23:48:31] dserban: so, can a slave backend simply run mythcommflag jobs?
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[23:54:48] tesseract_tom: does anyone know of a way I could let's say watch a movie in Mythvideo and have it launch another commandline program in the background when i click on it from the remote

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