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Monday, November 23rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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brad3:

damn, xmradio changed their login routine

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pyther:

What do I need to do to use the mythtv 0.22 fixes?

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brad3:

hi pyther, are you compiling it yourself? Or trying to use some packages?

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pyther:

I'll have to compile it myself

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brad3:

in the shell, go wherever you want to put the source code, and use the following:

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brad3:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes/ mythtv-0–22

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brad3:

as shown here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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pyther:

so is mythtv-fixes just patches or is it the whole tree?

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brad3:

that would get the whole tree for you

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pyther:

And is that considered stable?

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brad3:

yes i believe so, it is an official release

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Wicked:

the release-0–2*-fixes is the "stable" version currently availible

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brad3:

i have been using .22 (before release for about 2 months), and love it

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brad3:

it's a quantum leap forward (in my opinion)

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Wicked:

i agree its alot nicer then 0.21

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pyther:

I have a two bugs in 0.22

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pyther:

I'm hoping .22-fixes fix the problems

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Wicked:

what bugs?

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pyther:

Transcoding loosely fails for me and the frontend won't close, it hangs whenever I try to close it

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Wicked:

ah. i have not experienced either of them.

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pyther:

Nothing major, but annoying non-the-less

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Wicked:

indeed

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pyther:

mythtv-fixes shouldn't require a database update should it?

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Wicked:

um well

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Wicked:

it updates the database schema...but using the same mysql version is fine

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Wicked:

err well...if you updating from 0.21 -> 0.22

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mrand:

Howdy all... I verified that auto-expire rather than delete is enabled, but I can't seem to locate the group of deleted shows. Any hints?

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AndrewNC:

I've noticed that on some channels commercials are like 1–2 seconds out of audio sync, whereas the program (NFL broadcast) is only 100ms off... is this some weird muxing thing from the broadcaster?

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pembo13:

is there any way to get a notification for mythbackend when it crashes

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pembo13:

?

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pembo13:

that way i can take action before i miss hours of recordings

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kormoc:

by checking the process list for a valid process?

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kormoc:

pgrep mythbackend?

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pembo13:

kormoc: so i have to setup a script to do this?

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pembo13:

ie. myth doesn't come with some notification system?

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kormoc:

nope, as we fix the crashes we know about rather then try to work around them

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Captain_Murdoch:

-users question, but "while /bin/true; do mythbackend ; echo "mythbackend restarted" | mail youremail@yourdomain.com ; done

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: we're in -users :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah. :)

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pembo13:

kormoc: well i mean, as an end user, you can imagine the priorites are a bit different

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Captain_Murdoch:

too many windows open.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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pembo13:

tonight for example, myth died

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kormoc:

hiding the issue rather then reporting it doesn't help the end user

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pembo13:

and i only notice when i try to connect with myth front end to watch 4 shows that were to be recorded

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kormoc:

so wrap it in a loop like Captain_Murdoch showed?

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pembo13:

kormoc: right... but .. where is it reported

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pembo13:

that's what i'm asking

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kormoc:

by following the bug reporting guidelines in the wiki?

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pembo13:

it doesnt' send out an email, a wall message or anything

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

but it can (see solution above)

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pembo13:

ok i don't think you're getting what i'm saying

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Captain_Murdoch:

if it died, how can we send out one. that's up to the script running mythbackend (usually provided by the distribution your're running unless you compile yourself)

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch has already given you the 'script' to email you when the backend crashes and it even restarts itself

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iamlindoro:

Or even better, figure out why your backend is falling over and correct that instead

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pembo13:

iamlindoro: i wasn't really asking for an auto restart function, just a tell me right now function

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kormoc:

pembo13: so remove the while, do, and done from the command and enjoy

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iamlindoro:

Right, just saying said notification would be unnecessary if you just track down what's wrong with your hardware/signal/config and fix that instead

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pembo13:

iamlindoro: so planning for a crash/bug is not adviceable?

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I run trunk and update daily, and I never have a backend crash

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pembo13:

iamlindoro: is this useful to you guys: http://fpaste.org/doR6/ ?

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The_Ball:

pembo13, have a look in your kernel log (run dmesg) make sure you're not running into paging issues or other strange messages

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kormoc:

pembo13: given it's showing that mysql crashed... not really

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kormoc:

(and we don't really support mysql issues)

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pembo13:

kormoc: well... i wouldn't have taken the time to paste it if mysql had crashed

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pembo13:

... unless mysql has an auto restart feature i don'tknow about

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kormoc:

"Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.2' (101)"

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** kormoc shrugs **

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pembo13:

kormoc: yah... mysql is on a seperate machine, neither the logs or it's current status shows a crash

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kormoc:

so then it's a network issue between them

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pembo13:

kormoc: doesn't myth normally try more than once to connect to the db?

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pembo13:

kormoc: i haven't had any network issues that i know of

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kormoc:

the log you posted shows that myth failed to start because it couldn't connect to the db server and couldn't find a upnp master backend, it actually didn't crash, it just exited

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kormoc:

on startup, nope

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kormoc:

it tries once before moving on

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

that's weird... i can't imagine what would be different from any other time i started this box

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pembo13:

do i need to do anything about this? : the program '/usr/bin/mythfrontend' called 'udevinfo', it should use 'udevadm info <options>', this will stop working in a future release

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wagnerrp:

not update to said future release

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: so this isn't goign to be changed in mythfrontend and I shouldn't file a bug?

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wagnerrp:

it will be fixed in mythfrontend when it becomes an issue

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

how can I determine which versons of mythfrontend are compatbile with which versionf od the Video schema?

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pembo13:

one frontend instance is asking to upgrade from 1016 to 1028, while a first never mentioned it

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pembo13:

while a first mythfrontend instance* never mentioned it

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iamlindoro:

You *must* run identical versions across the entire network

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wagnerrp:

0.21-fixes wants 1016

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iamlindoro:

there is no cross compatibility

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wagnerrp:

0.22-fixes wants 1028

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wagnerrp:

trunk wants 1029

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wagnerrp:

choose one and stick with it

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iamlindoro:

1031 ;)

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** iamlindoro bumped it twice this weekend **

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wagnerrp:

oh? couple more bumps from the grabber stuff?

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pembo13:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

hash stuff

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pembo13:

i have two diff. machines

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wagnerrp:

ah right, forgot about that

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pembo13:

i have the same version on both boxes, but apperently different releases

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pembo13:

ugh

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iamlindoro:

That would be *not* the same version, then

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pembo13:

iamlindoro: well, version in terms of what rpm -qi prints out

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iamlindoro:

broken packaging aside, they are not at all the same version

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iamlindoro:

20 months apart, in fact

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

wil have to cleanse one box

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pembo13:

any suggested sources to get mythfrontend for Centos?

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wagnerrp:

sources? the only sources are the official source release on the webpage and the subversion repository

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pembo13:

repositories

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pembo13:

i had Atrpms, but the version they have wants to upgrade my database

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mazda01:

need help with mythrename.pl. i am getting the following error: This host not configured for myth.

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mazda01:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for dell in the settings table.)

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mazda01:

i goggled it and can't seem to find an answer. I defined 2 directories in the SG and I only record to the default SG. can anyone help me?

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pembo13:

i'm having a hard time matching mythfrontend verisons

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pembo13:

rpmfusion has 0.22–0.5.rc1

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pembo13:

atrpms has mythvideo-0.22–221

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pembo13:

and i can't tell what the uquivalence is

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wagnerrp:

rc1 is the RC, not the release

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wagnerrp:

and 221 is a completely meaningless number outside atrpms

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pembo13:

i was afraid of that

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pembo13:

will try to figure out what this 221 thing means

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pembo13:

rpmfusion chang elog says that 0.22–0.5.rc1 is tracking 0.22-fixes

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pembo13:

but it didn't ask to upgrade my video schema to 1028

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wagnerrp:

it is tracking -fixes

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wagnerrp:

rc1 came out of -fixes

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wagnerrp:

its just a very old version of it

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wagnerrp:

prior to release

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, could you possibly help me out with my mythrename.pl issue stating that my recordfileprefix isn't defined in the settings table?

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wagnerrp:

i can only imagine you are running a very old copy of mythrename, prior to the use of SGs

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pembo13:

wagnerrp: i see.... so basically rpmfusion is just way behind

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mazda01:

looking at the settings table, it appears that I have double of every setting. this must have occured when I moved my db from an old host (old hardware also) to a new host (new hardware) i got help from people here and thought I had this straightened out. guess not

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wagnerrp:

i see no mention to that value in either mythrename.pl or the perl bindings

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wagnerrp:

and i only have one instance of it in my database, from a machine name that no longer exists

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wagnerrp:

from my old naming scheme, back before SGs were around

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, oh, that may be it also. it's dated 2-28–06 and created by xirs. where can I get a new one?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.pl

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mazda01:

thanks, found one there dated 2008-02–17. will try it

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mazda01:

appears to be working. no errors yet and it's still running. thanks so much!

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mazda01:

as a side question, should my settings table even have those duplicate items for my old host as well as my new hosta?

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mazda01:

hosta=host

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wagnerrp:

there should not be duplicates

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wagnerrp:

however, since its an aged setting no longer in use, theres no reason to worry about it, or try to look through code that may no longer even exist to figure out why it happened

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mazda01:

i didn't think there should be duplicates. that stinks! just looking through 3 different pages in my settings table, every setting has something for host="dell" and another settings for host="core2duo". DARN, i spent hours with someone when I made the DB move and i vaguely remember a step that dropped the settings table. wonder why it didn't happen

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wagnerrp:

the location of your db makes no difference to the data inside the db

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wagnerrp:

and the backend settings can be recreated in short order, no sense bothering moving them

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mazda01:

not only was it a DB move, but it was an upgrade from mythtv .20 to mythtv .21-fixes if I remember correctly so it was kind of confussing to a none-mysql user.

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mazda01:

here's a pic, http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot15q.png

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, is that bad for when I upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 and mythtv .22?

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wagnerrp:

no, those are different settings for different machines

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wagnerrp:

its only bad if you have multiple entries with the same value and hostname

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wagnerrp:

i surely hope 'dansdell.getmyip.com' resolves to an internal address

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wagnerrp:

and no it doesnt... you should probably fix that

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wagnerrp:

phpmyadmin has no purpose being accessible over the internet

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wagnerrp:

also, you shouldnt have pirated copies of movies open in images that you post in here

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wagnerrp:

multiple, i might add

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looking back through the commits logs, you need to bump the backend protocol rev as well (and the perl/python bindings)

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wagnerrp:

for 22886

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jfry_:

can someone help me, I had to restore and old DB backup and now I need to add recent recordings into it... however myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is giving me headaches. Is there a better way?

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oobe:

jfry_, do you have a backup of your recent recordings database

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oobe:

if so you can restore that then dump just the recordings tables individually then restore the old database then restore the recordings.sql tables

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jfry_:

no... thats the issue... I lost my db and restored a month old version so I had most of my recording schedules and history... but I have recorded many shows since that I want to be able to watch.

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oobe:

jfry_, then you have to add each recording manually or delete them its easier just to delete them there is an article online about adding recordings manually

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oobe:

you can use myth find orphans to delete them or atleast find the recording files that do not exist in the database

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justinh:

the moral of the story is to back up the database *regularly*

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oobe:

yeash

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oobe:

this is in my crontab 0 8 * * * perl `/usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl --compress bzip2`

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oobe:

jya, can i pm you i have a question about the patches you use for avenard repos

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RoccoSiff:

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jya:

cobe: sure

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justinh:

RoccoSiff: why do you want to know?

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RoccoSiff:

if it works with mumudvb and mythtv

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RoccoSiff:

I need something that can stream a whole transponder

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justinh:

wth is mumudvb?

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RoccoSiff:

MuMuDVB is a program who can redistribute a stream from DVB on a network, in multicast or in HTTP unicast. Its main feature is to take a whole transponder and put each channel on a different multicast IP.

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justinh:

linuxtv.org's wiki will tell you if it works in linux or not

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justinh:

and if it works in linux you can use it with mythtv

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clever:

that sounds like something the myth devs have done with vlc

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justinh:

clever: shut up

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justinh:

if streaming a whole mux across your network is the aim, mythtv is not for you

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justinh:

what I think clever meant was "somebody tried streaming dvb over a network with VLC & got myth working with it. YMMV greatly"

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justinh:

everybody we've seen in here since then has had problems because they don't know what they're doing

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clever:

it wasnt over the network, it was for localhost

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clever:

to emulate multirec before the support was in properly

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laga_:

that was Greek-Boy

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laga_:

err, GreyFoxx

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justinh:

yes I know that. In theory it would've worked over the network BUT YMMV like I said. Evidently true because the handful of people we've had in here trying this 'IPTV' method have all fallen flat on their faces one way or another

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justinh:

in this context 'mythtv developer' means 'somebody with a clue'. Doesn't mean it's officially condoned ;-)

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jasa:

Hey, small issue on OpenSUSE 11.2 and using the 0.22 release packages.

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jasa:

Or i should give a new consideration towards the issue really now.

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justinh:

don't tell me. the right arrow button no longer does anything when you've selected a recording in "watch recordings"

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justinh:

jasa: if you don't *say* what the problem is nobody is gonna be able to help

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jasa:

Yeah, i think it's some problem that of that mythbackend actually.

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jasa:

I can't get it to run as service so one can connect frontend after reboot or so.

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justinh:

laga_: btw any idea wtf ubuntu have done to buttonmapping in xorg? It's not working at all. Has it been replaced with something else?

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jasa:

I need to open console always to start backend to make frontend to work.

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justinh:

jasa: sounds more like a distro problem. Like mythbackend can't start because a service it relies on hasn't started yet. Check your logs

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justinh:

or it's a user problem. not having the right permissions etc

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justinh:

check the logs

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jasa:

Im thinking of that can one put multiple users in the MBE_USERS= with "," ? -.-

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justinh:

check the logs

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justinh:

after you boot up & find that mythbackend hasn't started check mythbackend's log for clues.

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jasa:

Yeah, NO UPnp backends found.

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justinh:

no

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jasa:

I cleared the log and make the start of it

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jasa:

*made.

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justinh:

look for ERRORS

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jasa:

Failed to init MythContex.

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justinh:

pastebin the log

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justinh:

by that I mean go to mythtv.pastebin.ca & upload the log file

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justinh:

or whatever your favourite paste service is

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jasa:

Yeah, im still somewhat trying to figure the thing of actually.

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justinh:

let US figure it out. we've seen this kind of thing before

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justinh:

otherwise we'll be here all fricking week

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jasa:

I think there could be some small thing i was indeed wondering, would need to clear the old database i had and make totally new.

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

just put the log into a pastebin

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justinh:

we'll take a look

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justinh:

there will probably be a simple reason why mythbackend is failing to start at boot time

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jasa:

It would seem it fails to either communicate with mysql or similiar, even when they are started.

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jasa:

Should clear the old databse mostlikely and start new one.

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

when you try to start mythbackend in a terminal, which user are you doing that with?

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justinh:

mythtv or your own username?

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jasa:

It works for normal users and root too, tried that.

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justinh:

does the init script run mythbackend as root?

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jasa:

Anything works ... but the thing is it doesn't work as service at boot time.

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jasa:

Yes

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justinh:

you sure?

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justinh:

it really shouldn't

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jasa:

MBE_USERS='root'

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justinh:

sigh. stupid way to do things

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justinh:

so, it seems that maybe mythbackend init script is starting before mysql is running

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justinh:

or networking. or both

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jasa:

That would be simple answer but the problem seems to be somewhat on the init itself, program works flawlessly.

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justinh:

yes of course

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justinh:

but if the init script for mythbackend comes up before a service it depends upon it will fail

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justinh:

when you run the init script after you have logged in, the services needed for mythbackend are running

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justinh:

but at boot time they are not. simple

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justinh:

some distros allow you to change the order of init scripts. if you can find out how to do that for opensuse, make mythbackend start after mysql & networking

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** justinh wonders is opensuse have got something like ubuntu's awful network manager **

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justinh:

so it's not a mythtv problem, we know that much now

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justinh:

if it starts fine when you run the init script after you log in, it's not a mythtv problem

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justinh:

and if you haven't change the running order of any init scripts, you should go hassle whoever made the mythtv packages for opensuse

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jasa:

No the problem is purely that of the init script.

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

you said you can run mythbackend fine from the init script after you have logged in

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jasa:

True, it's a custom package from those new repos.

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jasa:

No mythbackend as a program, not init.

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justinh:

is that right? you run the init script from a terminal and mythbackend starts ok?

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jasa:

like i type mythbackend on other console it starts and works, /etc/init.d/myhbackend start doesnt.

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justinh:

you should have been more clear earlier

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jasa:

I do not see any hardcoded things on the init either.

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justinh:

so does anything appear in the mythbackend log after you run /etc/init.d/mythbackend start ?

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jasa:

It just whines it can't connect.

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justinh:

let me see the log

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jasa:

And only hardcoded thing on init is that of group of "video" required and checked too it's fine.

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justinh:

LET ME SEE THE LOG

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justinh:

FFS you're whining about stuff not working. I'm asking to see the log. You don't show me the log so I can't see what is going wrong

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CShadowRun:

THE LOGS LUKE, USE THE LOGS

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justinh:

you know what. Screw it. Help yourself. You guys who have to be pressed for every last bit of information are a total waste of time

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jasa:

justinh, yeah sorry, i guess it's only so small and minor thing that i haven't noticed somewhere, but it's most likely cause of those custom packages they supply for the new version not yet released on normal ones.

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jasa:

Like orginally they didn't have the config files on the pre-made packages ... -.-

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justinh:

I know your English isn't very good. I've been patient. But I asked to see the log more than 15 minutes ago

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jasa:

It's pretty much only ... -> 2009-11–23 12:39:46.220 UPnPautoconf() – No UPnP backends found

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jasa:

2009-11–23 12:39:46.221 No UPnP backends found

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jasa:

No UPnP backends found

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jasa:

And would i like to configure databse.

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justinh:

the moral of this tale is to always run mythtv-setup as the user mythbackend will be running as, or its mysql login details will be conspicuous by their absence

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jasa:

Yeah, i'll go happy as it is currently, could be fixed now too, made totally new database and checked the settings somewhat in the frontend on where it connects at.

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jasa:

I would still claim kaffeine as supreme cause of the simplicity it doesn't need the databases for just watching but it's only simple to run to watch thing without web capabilities and recording settings for something that comes someday around.

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jasa:

Now i should try to get the web interface with the apache and start whining even more. = p

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AndyCap:

justinh: somebody set up you the bomb?

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justinh:

quite

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justinh:

oo Virgin 1 will be showing Warehouse 13 next year

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iamlindoro:

Leaving one to wonder what the British people did so wrong to be subjected to that show

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justinh:

can it be much worse than Dawson's Creek in space?

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justinh:

(Defying Gravity)

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justinh:

wonder when Chuck comes back

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justinh:

hmm. my cunning plan to use backgrounds in the programme finder buttonlists has been scuppered

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justinh:

be nice if inkscape's tiled clone allowed pixel offsets rather than percentages & exponents

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ivor_:

justinh: feeling the love for inkscape yet?

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justinh:

I like it. It was like at first sight

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justinh:

don't *love* it though

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justinh:

there's not much software I do love ;-)

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ivor:

must say I was pretty impressed when I tried to use it for some icons a while ago.

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justinh:

OMG. The drawn background lines up exactly with the mythui shapes

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justinh:

hate to say this but I keep running into limitations even in mythui

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justinh:

but knowing the way it works I doubt it'd have been easy to make a buttonlist with unpopulated items look the same

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justinh:

wonder if it'd be easy to add an <unpopulated> statetype

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tyce:

anyone having this issue? evertime I update my video list, the frontend dies.

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squidly:

tyce: check your logs

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justinh:

no! nobody evah chex da logz!

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jasa:

Heh. = )

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jasa:

I actually was wondering small thing around, it shows on the mythtvsetup all the channel names correctly but on the frontend the osd sometimes show those with the database number i guess like "1500" instead with name.

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jasa:

I tried that of swapping the callsign and number thing on setup in the frontend didn't change anything around.

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jasa:

Also this icon choosing is somewhat stupid, they couldnt be shorted already by someone on some internet server around where it just would get those and put automaticly.

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iamlindoro:

shows what you know, it does get the icons from the internet, but no software can read your mind, nor can it account for differently named channels in thousands of different locales

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iamlindoro:

but from reading the backlog, seems "somewhat stupid" is the name of the game with you

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justinh:

we need more, and bigger clue bats

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jasa:

= )

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: see comment from last night

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iamlindoro:

I saw it

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wagnerrp:

although you probably want to check with Captain Murdoch first

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justinh:

I frongled about tvsetup-mythtv and clue none I had database renewed immediate

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wagnerrp:

ok

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justinh:

icon now loady although channel different some clue please

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justinh:

maybe we should have #mythtv-users-EN & then the rest of the world can have this channel

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justinh:

leave them all together

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iamlindoro:

frongle frongle

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jasa:

Well the thing on is that well it could be somewhat automated on cases of where choose an icon for channel *** and there we have it, only icon it finds and it is with same name as the channel name.

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justinh:

there's a list of distros in my mind where users from said distros must be avoided at all costs

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justinh:

Centos is top of the list. OpenSUSE is next

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jasa:

justinh, you can't leave we all must come around to bother you. = p

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jasa:

justinh, now how i get the channel name show in the OSD instead of the position like "1500". = p

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iamlindoro:

jasa: I don't mean this as an insult, but your english is extremely difficult to understand, so anything you say is like reading tea leaves

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jasa:

Simple terms of OSD (On screen display) shows = ABC .... NOT shows = 123

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Dibblah:

The OSD shows either.

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Dibblah:

Try changing the OSD theme to one which has the channel name / callsign.

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Dibblah:

... And make sure you have filled in the callsigns with the "letter" versions of the channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... Brought my test 0.22-fixes box over to a friend's house to see what was available on his QAM cable, what a fiasco... Couldn't get anything to tune for the first 2 hrs... had to boost the timeouts up to 8 and 10 seconds... And then couldn't tune consistently... ugh...

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devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: Out of curiosity, which tuner product were you using?

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J-e-f-f-A:

(And I didn't realize the HD-3000 I had in there required different firmware for the QAM tuning...

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: A HD3000 and a 1250 (PCIe)

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devinheitmueller:

hmmm...

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devinheitmueller:

You had issues with the 1250 too?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... And haven't had any problems at my house, but only with ATSC as I don't have cable. But my signal strength is probably stronger there...

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** devinheitmueller 's ears perk up at the notion that somebody had ClearQAM tuning problems with the HVR-1250 since he recently made some changes that could improve tuning support on that board. **

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: I currently have SD Dish Network – 3 receivers feeding S-Video and Analog audio into Hauppauge PVR-500 and 250, plus a HDHomeRun for ATSC HD.

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devinheitmueller:

Are you running a relatively recent version of the v4l-dvb tree? Which distro are you on?

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iamlindoro:

I use an HVR-1250, but have always found it rock solid

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: Within Myth? ^ Oh, Fedora 11, and I haven't updated the kernel in a month or two.

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iamlindoro:

And not even with that new a v4l-dvb

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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devinheitmueller:

Well, there was an *extreme* tuning bug with the s5h1409 driver at one point, where sometimes it would take 800ms to tune, sometimes 3000ms to tune, and sometimes tuning would fail entirely.

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devinheitmueller:

I fixed that a while ago.

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devinheitmueller:

I have a 1250. I really should see if those ClearQAM fixes improve the situation there.

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jasa:

HVR-4000 no complains today, some firmware pages gone down, need to google for right one.

[16:26:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: It seemed to be fine some times... but then when it failed, it would 'stick', and I couldn't even tune 'good' channels after that...

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devinheitmueller:

interesting.

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jasa:

Highest firmware version = fail.

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: i haven't noticed any issues with ATSC, but it is my test box, so I haven't been using it that much.

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devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: the fixes I did a couple of weeks ago were *only* for ClearQAM.

[16:27:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: Ok. ;-)

[16:27:38]

devinheitmueller:

In the current tree though, I enabled them *only* for the HVR-1600, until I had a chance to test them with the 1250 and 1800.

[16:27:44]

** J-e-f-f-A should just bite the bullet and switch over to FiOS TV... ;-) **

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devinheitmueller:

Well, FIOS does ClearQAM, unless you use an HD-PVR.

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: you and me both

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wagnerrp:

oh wait, only those meddling apartment dwellers have it around here

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: They do have some Clear QAM in my region (same as Jarod) ;-) And from what he says too, several of the channels are in the clear over Firewire too.

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wagnerrp:

dirty phone companies and their housing density mumbo jumbo

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devinheitmueller:

Well, for FIOS it is my understanding that *only* the must-carry channels are in ClearQAM.

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devinheitmueller:

I haven't tried it though.

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devinheitmueller:

I actually already have FIOS. I should probably bite the bullet and just get the FIOS cable option too. I am confident that if I did the ClearQAM performance would improve *considerably* for certain cards.

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: Same here, I have FiOS Internet, but haven't switched to the TV yet.

[16:32:49]

devinheitmueller:

I get very good reception for ATSC, and don't watch much TV to begin with.

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: I'm considering getting a Hauppauge 950Q for my mythtv dev system (notebook)... is that a good choice or do you recommend a different USB based tuner?

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: yeah, My ATSC reception is good 95% of the time. But I'm in New England, and there's lots of tall trees here, so it can vary and be 90% signal one day, and in-and-out of 40–60% another day with wind/rain, etc.

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devinheitmueller:

I did the 950q support for Myth a few weeks ago. There is still an outstanding issue if switching back and forth between analog and digital modes.

[16:34:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

elmojo: I've also got a 950 (non-Q) on my box, seems to work fine for ATSC so far...

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devinheitmueller:

I don't have many trees obstructing my access to the broadcast source: http://www.devinheitmueller.com/dsc00801.jpg

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elmojo:

awesome.. thanks.. I'll stick with the 950Q then

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devinheitmueller:

J-e-f-f-A: the original 950 is a totally different hardware design, which does not have the issues the 950q does.

[16:35:26]

devinheitmueller:

I would *not* recommend the 950q at this point for MythTV.

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devinheitmueller:

... until I get around to fixing the problem switching back and forth between analog and digital.

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wagnerrp:

although lacks QAM

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devinheitmueller:

If you are planning on using it for analog only, or for digital only, then you would probably be fine though.

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elmojo:

what if I don't used the analog?

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wagnerrp:

and generally V4L tuners are recommended against anyway

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: the 950Q *does* do QAM. The older 950 does not.

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elmojo:

ok, cool... it should be fine for me then

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: it works pretty good for digital only.

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elmojo:

awesome.. that's what I want it for

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: right

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: sure, then go for it.

[16:37:34]

devinheitmueller:

... and if you are using Karmic, you won't need to find/download/extract any firmware.

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: thanks for your advice and more importantly the driver :)

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: np.

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elmojo:

using Karmic on my notebook so it sounds like a perfect fit

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that would be the ideal use case.

[16:38:55]

devinheitmueller:

(since that's what I use regularly and do all my testing with)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: re: 950 vs 950Q – yeah, I knew it didn't do QAM, that's why I didn't bother to bring it to my buddy's house. ;-) and I hadn't realized it was an entirely different design than the "Q" version.

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the 950 is em2883/lgdt3303/xc3028 and the 950q is au0828/au8522/xc5000.

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wagnerrp:

well at the very least, they must have swapped out for a different tuner for QAM support

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wagnerrp:

(which i would presume is what has trouble flipping between modes)

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yup. The ClearQAM is the big feature that distinguishes the products from a marketing standpoint.

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J-e-f-f-A:

devinheitmueller: Well, at least they had the brains to add a 'Q' to the product number...

[16:43:07]

devinheitmueller:

No kidding.

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devinheitmueller:

Their products names are already quite confusing.

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devinheitmueller:

I swear I really should write some sort of "Guide to choosing an ATSC/QAM tuner product" on the KernelLabs blog....

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orogor:

hi here

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orogor:

anyone has a suggestion frm the logs as why iptv doesnt works ? http://pastebin.com/m95254e6

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th1_:

hi

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th1_:

is it possible to have a tuner marked for "Never record only use for LiveTV"? I want to add a USB-DVB tuner to my Frontend box (and run the backend there too but only for that tuner) and then I'll never get annoying conflicts again

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th1_:

but I don't want it to think it can record from that tuner ever .. because that box is NFS boot and I just flick the power switch when not watching TV

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iamlindoro:

th1_: no, not possible

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th1_:

ok thanks I'll not waste my money then ;)

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CShadowRun:

When i have a series downloaded onto my mythtv box, i constantly forget which episode i'm on. Is there anything mythtv can do to help with this? :)

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th1_:

CShadowRun, hmm doesn't it show an icon on the unwatched ones?

[17:17:51]

CShadowRun:

it does that now? cool

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CShadowRun:

i still havn't been able to get the new version to pick up on my media for some reason, i stuck a video in /var/lib/mythtv/videos, but it doesn't appear in my media library

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th1_:

dunno about the new version but in the old one you had to open preferences->Video Manager for it to rescan that dir

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CShadowRun:

yea i've been doing that, and it still doesn't see it

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th1_:

then I don't know ...

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CShadowRun:

yea, it's weird (:

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CShadowRun:

:(*

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th1_:

I'm only going to upgrade when 1) questions like that stop appearing every 5 mins and 2) I have a free weekend :)

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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jarle:

CShadowRun: you need to update your library from the menu within mythvideo.

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CShadowRun:

ah

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CShadowRun:

why isn't the updates automatic on that, anyway?

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jarle:

CShadowRun: dunno...

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th1_:

CShadowRun, I guess it takes a long time to scan if you have tons of video files like me

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th1_:

it could do it in the background once in a while though.. like some mp3 players do

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CShadowRun:

well yea, the video viewer is basically a file browser...no reason why it can't just index folders as you enter them

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CShadowRun:

nautilus manages that, and it generates thumbnails too

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th1_:

I guess some people use different ways to organize their vids .. so it uses the database and that has to be in sync with the file system, hence the updates

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CShadowRun:

yea

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MaxeyPad:

//arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/inside-minwin-the-windows-7-kernel-slim s-down.ars

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Hoxzer:

I think that would be awsome news for gaming

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Hoxzer:

for server. LOL

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skimj:

CShadowRun: One thing that you can do is menu-apply filter-unwatched. That will hide all of your videos that have been marked as watched. (sometimes I have to manually mark something as watched when the flag doesn't get set, i.e. exiting before the end of the video).

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skimj:

That'll work the first time. I guess that you'd have to mark everything as unread if you were working through the series a second time

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whoDat_:

running the latest xbox build, using myth:// protocol to my mythtv box and getting "Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 50!" although I read the latest xbmc works with mythtv .22?

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CShadowRun:

skimj: nice, ty

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iamlindoro:

whoDat_: We don't provide support for third party frontends here, you need to ask them about it

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: lol, they said the same thing about third party backends.

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iamlindoro:

They are the ones purporting to offer myth support, if they don't want to support it then they shouldn't include it

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** Captain_Murdoch pictures some user going to Netflix for Mythflix support or to Google for mythbrowser support. **

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iamlindoro:

Wheee! Image Download handling in MythVideo moved into its own code

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iamlindoro:

Which is a big hunk of the work towards making it generic

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brad3:

stupid XM changed all their streaming code

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brad3:

doesn't seem to work with mplayer anymore

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brad3:

foiled again!

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Dubstar_04:

mythvideo wont show "folder.(png|jpg)" images??

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iamlindoro:

sure it will

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iamlindoro:

Are you in file browse mode?

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Dubstar_04:

i dont know

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Dubstar_04:

do i need to be?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

you need not to be

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Dubstar_04:

neither works, and i checked the spelling

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iamlindoro:

works fine here

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Dubstar_04:

ummm...

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elmojo:

J-e-f-f-A: do you have an indoor or outdoor antenna?

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jarle:

Any suggestions as to which is the better dvb-s2 card for linux? (TerraTec Cinergy S2 PCI CI or Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-HD-S2?) Is there other cards I should look at?

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whoDat_:

.part

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justinh:

jarle: finding one supported in linux is the first step

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justinh:

there's no real 'better' but FWIW I've not heard people say nice things about terratec stuff

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devinheitmueller:

Hey, if I wanted to play around with the channel scanner, is there any sort of "test harness" command-line application that can be used? Or is the channel scanner functionality only available through the mythtv-setup GUI?

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devinheitmueller:

Just to be clear, I'm talking about the core of the MythTV channel scanner. I am *very* well aware of scan, dvbscan, and w_scan.

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J-e-f-f-A:

elmojo: Outdoor. 70-mile rated – towers are about 25 miles from my house.

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: there's something on the commandline allegedly

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J-e-f-f-A:

emo

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J-e-f-f-A:

elmojo: (oops) – We have some pretty tall trees in my area – 60–70' tall, dense leaves. In rain & wind, the signal strength can vary greatly. It's fine usually, but occasionally drops enough to become 'pixelated' and/or lose the signal completely for a short time.

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elmojo:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, tall trees in my area too, but mainly just pines so no dense leaves

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: Yeah, I saw that from an email thread currently going on mythtv-users. However, I was curious if anyone knew what the actual tool was.

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: it's not even documented AFAIK

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: Yeah, that's why I figured. I was kind of hoping I could mention it and some developer would just say, "oh yeah, it's called 'foo'..."

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: at a push mythtv-setup --help might say

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orogor:

anyone has a suggestion from the logs as why iptv doesnt works ? http://pastebin.com/m95254e6

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justinh:

009-11–23 17:59:48.580 IPTVFeedRTSP:Failed to setup: video MP2T : SETUP: cannot handle response: RTSP/1.0 402 Payment Required – seems pretty damn clear

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stevieman:

Is there a guide to adding divx and/or xvid transcoding? I want to convert some of my recordings to divx or xvid to take up less space

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stevieman:

I'm running mythbuntu .22

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Captain_Murdoch:

stevieman, a User Job via the JobQueue. there are scripts and pages on the wiki covering that I believe.

[19:38:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

I've encoded most of my daughter's TV shows to h264 w/o commercials using an external script.

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stevieman:

Captain_Murdoch: Thanks, I'll have another peak, I didn't find anything but that was atleast a week ago before my daughter arrived :)

[19:38:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

search for nuvexport, mencoder, and 'x264' and you might find something.

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stevieman:

it's crazy that Thomas the tank Engine take up 1 gig for 30 mins :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

if not, search the mailing lists, I know scripts have been posted before that do what you're looking to do.

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justinh:

see? IPTV is not the future for accessible linux-friendly teevee. About time somebody got it

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stevieman:

Also I've noticed that on some channels the video is crazy, like the video is being shifted to one side and up (or down) the 'frame' of the video is black and the video wraps. eg video shifts up and to the left, the left side wraps to the right and the top wraps to the bottom and there is a black box around the shifted video where the edge of the screen would be if the video didn't shift. Anyone ever see anything like this?

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justinh:

stevieman: people with broken video drivers maybe?

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stevieman:

justinh: it only happens one a few channels though, other channels and video's work fine

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: sounds like a frame alignment problem. What capture card are you using?

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justinh:

framegrabbers suck

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stevieman:

devinheitmueller: I have a PVR-150

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: it's not so much that framegrabbers suck, it's that the drivers usually have to be *much* more complicated that the ones that just deliver MPEG packets.

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devinheitmueller:

Ah, so he's not even using a framegrabber.

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stevieman:

Is it possible that my machine might be busy doing something else causing the video to be all wonky?

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justinh:

not really

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stevieman:

I don't know what it would be doing, just a thought

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: well, not really.

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justinh:

Are all the video capture profiles now defaulting to full PAL/NTSC res?

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: in the case of devices like the PVR-150, it just delivers MPEG packets, so frame alignment usually sin't an issue.

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dan4dm:

hi – is there a "best" place to look for a .lirc/mythtv file for my NOVA-T500

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devinheitmueller:

Could be the decoder is not being properly programmed, such as the video standard not being set correctly.

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stevieman:

justinh: as far as I can remember, yes.

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dan4dm:

? my current one seems to have become garbled after upgrade

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: are the colors wrong too? Or is the frame just misaligned?

[19:49:44]

justinh:

dan4dm: just DIY. never hurt anybody

[19:49:51]

devinheitmueller:

stevieman: why don't you post a screenshot, so we can see the actual issue.

[19:49:59]

stevieman:

I should note that I've really only noticed this on recorded shows because I don't watch Treehouse myself.

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justinh:

dan4dm: check all the buttons work with IRW first

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stevieman:

Devin: colours are off to when the video jumps

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dan4dm:

justinh: thanks. irw output is fine

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: when you say the colors are off, do you see lots of weird purple/green?

[19:51:05]

justinh:

dan4dm: so it's just a simple matter of matching button names to functions in lircrc

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: Yeah, please post a screencap so we can see for ourselves.

[19:51:18]

justinh:

and restarting mythfrontend so it picks up the changes

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stevieman:

devinheitmueller: Not really, but I've noticed colours dropping

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dan4dm:

restarting mythfrontend? i thought restarting lircd would be the thing to do (maybe that's why i've not been able to get it working)

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stevieman:

devinheitmueller: Let me see if I can get a screen shot via VNC

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: ok

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justinh:

dan4dm: no. changes to the lircrc file won't be picked up until you restart mythfrontend

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justinh:

cos it's only read when MFE starts :)

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stevieman:

got one, just need a place to post it

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justinh:

imagebin.ca ?

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dan4dm:

justinh: thanks. i misunderestimated how it works

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

people need to use Bush-isms in real life more often

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dan4dm:

:)

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iamlindoro:

fool me twice.... can't get fooled again

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dan4dm:

Mission Accomplished

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stevieman:

Here's the screen cap http://imagebin.ca/view/6fS-14Yi.html

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dan4dm:

^ (with the remote i mean)

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** devinheitmueller looks **

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justinh:

eew

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devinheitmueller:

Looks like the start of frame is wrong.

[20:04:09]

justinh:

frame sync problem. wtf

[20:04:39]

justinh:

have you split the video to the pvr card by any chance?

[20:04:44]

justinh:

like if it comes from a STB?

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, are you perhaps in PAL mode instead of NTSC?

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: it'd screw the colour too probably

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iamlindoro:

Wait, TV isn't supposed to look like that? Here I was thinking it was all just a complex brain teaser

[20:05:23]

stevieman:

nope, straight to the 150 card

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I saw a screenshot recently which made me think that actually

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stevieman:

it is split earlier but that was done by the cable company

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: As you stay on the channel, does the horizontal black bar move around, or is it always misaligned in the exact same place?

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justinh:

no I was talking about the context of capturing component or svideo split to 2 devices

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stevieman:

it jumps around like crazy, my sone keeps telling me the TV is broken

[20:06:51]

justinh:

macrovision perhaps?

[20:06:53]

stevieman:

oh ok justinh,

[20:07:18]

justinh:

then again it's not gonna be a premium channel on analgog

[20:07:28]

stevieman:

justinh: possible but I'd be surprised on a kids channel and not elsewhere

[20:07:38]

devinheitmueller:

hmmm.... weird.

[20:07:57]

justinh:

just hook up yer video waveform monitor and/or vectorscope & take a look at the sync levels

[20:08:01]

stevieman:

ah, good old murphy's law

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justinh:

oops. I forgot not everybody has access to that kind of stuff

[20:08:29]

justinh:

:D

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: nope.

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stevieman:

justinh: oh darn, I just sent those in for annual waveform and vector recalibration :)

[20:09:33]

justinh:

stevieman: you don't have any other tuner cards do you perchance?

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: Is this coming off of the tuner input? Or are you using composite or s-video?

[20:09:43]

stevieman:

Could I have screwed something up by telling myth it is a commercial free channel and it's trying to remove the commercials?

[20:09:52]

devinheitmueller:

stevieman: nah.

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justinh:

stevieman: nah this is something wrong with the tuner or the signal. or the channel itself

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not remove the channels, it simply flags them so the frontend can choose to do so

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stevieman:

it's comming off an s-video from my nvidia card

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: coming off the coax into the pvr antenna/cable input AFAICT

[20:11:12]

devinheitmueller:

stevieman: You mean you have the s-video from some nVidia card connected to the s-video input on the tuner?

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stevieman:

sorry, I have the coax going in to the PVR-150 card, then the s-video going out to the TV from the nvida card.

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: ok, that makes more sense.

[20:12:57]

stevieman:

sorry I misunderstood

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orogor:

anyone has a suggestion from the logs as why iptv doesnt works ? http://pastebin.com/m95254e6

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stevieman:

orogor: line 129 says you have to pay

[20:25:27]

orogor:

well i zapped throught a few channels and maybe there were a few a pay ones

[20:27:26]

orogor:

line 180 to 200 might be more what it usually looks like

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stevieman:

orogor: I've never used IPTV but that line stuck out

[20:28:04]

orogor:

i noticed it too

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orogor:

i hope devs have iptv

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wagnerrp:

i actually dont believe any of them do

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stevieman:

So my TV format is set to NTSC and the Channel Frequency table is set to us-cable

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stevieman:

might I need to fine tune the frequency of the channel?

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: doubtful. Really the problem seems to be with the video decoder not seeing the vertical sync pulse.

[20:47:38]

devinheitmueller:

... and it's not clear why that would happen.

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stevieman:

is there a fix for that?

[20:47:48]

stevieman:

oh

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stevieman:

can I supply logs or anything to help figure things out?

[20:48:34]

devinheitmueller:

You can try to send some email to the linux-media mailing list, and maybe Hans or Andy will have some idea what is going on.

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And4713:

wha..oh

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And4713:

not me hah

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devinheitmueller:

And4713: Unless you are Andy Walls, no, not you. ;-)

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stevieman:

dev: I'll find the linux-media mailing list on the wiki?

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: http://linuxtv.org/lists.php#dvb

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stevieman:

devinheitmueller: thanks, I'll drop them a line, still confused why it's only certain channels

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devinheitmueller:

stevieman: those channels probably deliver a weak signal.

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stevieman:

dev: that is very possible

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sphery:

wagnerrp: there was a valid reason for the API change mentioned in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7648 , right?

[20:58:28]

sphery:

Only asking because I'd like to close the ticket as invalid--after all, we /never/ promised bindings API compatibility across MythTV versions.

[20:59:05]

sphery:

(and, as I see it, the changes to the bindings API actually allowed you to make the Python bindings go from mostly useless to better than the Perl bindings)

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wagnerrp:

nope, was just changing everything to that 'BACKEND_SEP.join()' syntax, and didnt really think it through completely

[21:00:28]

wagnerrp:

although his syntax in the patch is broken as well

[21:00:49]

wagnerrp:

it should be 'str(recorder)' instead of '"%s"%recorder'

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sphery:

ok... I just figured it was a "things have to change or we can't make progress" kind of thing

[21:02:01]

wagnerrp:

i changed it to a much cleaner syntax, i just didnt make sure to keep variable types the same

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sphery:

If someone uploads a fixed patch and no one gets to it before me, I'll commit (along with a mention that we don't guarantee API compatibility across versions).

[21:02:44]

wagnerrp:

give me... 30 seconds

[21:02:47]

sphery:

but it will be a while as my systems are unavailable

[21:03:01]

sphery:

(while = week or so for me)

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wagnerrp:

well... a bit more, i have to check out a copy of -fixes

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sphery:

"[mythtv-users] For HD Myth users, what is/was your cost?" -> I happened to an $800 in hard drives sitting around unused, and a high-GHz dual-core-based system, with current NVIDIA graphics card that I had bought to use as a $200 paperweight, and a $40 ATSC tuner card, a $100 HDHR, and 2 $160 HD-PVR's that I bought because they looked cool. Since they were all here unused, my system was free. Myth is so much cheaper than any ...

[21:07:00]

sphery:

... other solution, and I recommend anyone who's thinking of a DVR choose Myth if cost is their only concern...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the update

[21:10:22]

itscrimetime2:

nice sphery

[21:10:40]

sphery:

itscrimetime2: btw, that was all facetious...

[21:10:52]

itscrimetime2:

?

[21:11:06]

sphery:

It was my way of saying that thread is making me really nervous about users getting into Myth for all the wrong reasons.

[21:11:20]

HypNoMadic:

If I'm using the most recent trunk, am I too far ahead of .22-fixes to be able to succesully go from trun to fixes?

[21:11:26]

itscrimetime2:

yeah

[21:11:47]

sphery:

IMHO, Myth is a high-end, luxury DVR and if you try and piecemeal it with the "throw together whatever stuff you have on hand" approach instead of purpose-designing the system, you're bound to end up disappointed.

[21:11:56]

itscrimetime2:

isn't mythtv a full media system

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iamlindoro:

HypNoMadic: Trunk no longer uses a compatible database with .22, so yes

[21:13:03]

iamlindoro:

You would need to restore a database from somewhere around the time of .22 being released to make the switch

[21:13:25]

sphery:

And, I have spent /significantly/ more on my Myth system than I would have spent just renting DVR's from the cable co. The only money I'm saving is the cable service subscription, since I chose not to support the local cable monopoly, so I'm doing without all the cable channels and using OTA only. However, that has nothing to do with Myth.

[21:13:31]

HypNoMadic:

iamlindoro: good to know, thanks.

[21:13:35]

iamlindoro:

np

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itscrimetime2:

yeah well sphery i got alota money in my system

[21:14:34]

itscrimetime2:

that life lol

[21:14:35]

sphery:

HypNoMadic: meaning, also, you should choose to use either -fixes (for any "production" quality system) or trunk (if you're doing development and can't find another development-only system) since switching back and forth isn't really possible, now.

[21:15:07]

sphery:

itscrimetime2: Yeah... For me, it's money well spent, but Myth isn't a "cheap" solution.

[21:15:34]

itscrimetime2:

yeah defently not a cheap solution..

[21:15:50]

itscrimetime2:

i have 1 mythbox and 1 linuxmce box

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sphery:

however, it is Free (with a capital F)!

[21:16:05]

itscrimetime2:

yeah

[21:16:50]

itscrimetime2:

if u wanta do a proper mythtv you gona spend atleast 900.00 on a box

[21:18:07]

Makere:

not really?

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sphery:

Yeah, I'd say minimum for a combined frontend/backend box is: $200-$250 for CPU/motherboard/RAM/case/PSU, $50 per tuner, $100-$150 for a 1–2TB HDD.

[21:18:49]

Makere:

I think you can save some if you get cheapo vdpau graphics

[21:19:01]

Makere:

and then just very cheap cpu

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itscrimetime2:

well it won't do hd very well

[21:19:19]

Makere:

does well enough

[21:19:32]

itscrimetime2:

well okay

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sphery:

So if you want a single tuner system, it may only cost you $350 for the Myth system. It would be more if you have to get HDTV from cable (using HD-PVR) (not to mention the cost of the cable sub).

[21:19:47]

Makere:

you can also get one of those mobos with 9400GT integrated

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sphery:

Oh, and mine was assuming a mobo with integrated GPU

[21:20:03]

Makere:

alright

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bob__:

hello, since yesterday I appear to have no tv guide information. I don't even know where to look to fix this. it's always worked, I've tried updating to .22 but it's still the same. Anyone else experienced this?

[21:20:10]

itscrimetime2:

well in my mythbox i have about 1k in it

[21:20:21]

sphery:

If you only have 1TB of storage on an HDTV box, you don't get much storage

[21:20:28]

Makere:

my mythbox was 1K, and it has 6TB storage

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sphery:

IMHO, you should have at least 1TB per tuner

[21:20:36]

sphery:

(for HDTV)

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Makere:

plus it's not really dedicated for myth

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itscrimetime2:

yeah

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Makere:

could have cheaper parts

[21:21:08]

Makere:

it all depends how much you record

[21:21:36]

Makere:

I have yet to fill the 1TB that has my mythtv recordings, videocamera backup plus the tv shows I dload

[21:21:37]

sphery:

well, if you're not recording everything you watch, you're not doing it right, but that's a whole other argument :)

[21:21:56]

sphery:

(and please don't mention download tv shows)

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Makere:

I don't watch tele much honestly lol

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sphery:

yeah, that's fine

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itscrimetime2:

well i put in a msi dual core motherboard with ddr3/8 gigs ram/2 firewire cards/pentuim d 3.2ghz/a risingcore htpc case/10tb hdds

[21:22:26]

sphery:

but if that's the case, a $6/mo DVR from a cable co will be /significantly/ cheaper than Myth.

[21:22:52]

dan4dm:

myth is nice and configurable so it's capable of more than just the luxury end... needs to be backed by hardware still

[21:23:04]

sphery:

If you have $1000 in your box and you figure even $10/mo for the DVR from cable co, that's 100mos to pay back initial cost, which is over 8yrs

[21:23:28]

itscrimetime2:

well it not about the money

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sphery:

yeah, and that's my point

[21:23:36]

itscrimetime2:

it is about how it works

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sphery:

the thread makes it seem like it's about money

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dan4dm:

we just use bbc+freeview, $0/mo, so it'll take a while to earn its keep ;)

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itscrimetime2:

it great media

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itscrimetime2:

system

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itscrimetime2:

lol

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sphery:

true

[21:24:41]

itscrimetime2:

i like mythtv but i also like my linuxmce box

[21:25:00]

sphery:

But someone going into it thinking it's a way to get a cheap DVR is likely to spend some small amount of money and get all the wrong stuff, then have to start over with new hardware and end up paying a lot more than if they just did it right the first time

[21:25:04]

itscrimetime2:

it does more but still uses mythtv part for tv

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sphery:

and, if they're really just trying to save money, they're likely to be very upset/disappointed in the process

[21:25:23]

itscrimetime2:

yeah

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dan4dm:

yeah

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itscrimetime2:

if they want a nice media system then mythtv is way to go

[21:26:08]

sphery:

agreed

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justinh:

and if they want an ugly home automation system which needs really expensive parts to work.. they can buy one & pay somebody a lot of money to install it for them

[21:28:03]

itscrimetime2:

i have tested alota systems from mythtv/linuxmce/media portal/sagetv i tell ya out of all mythtv has best for media system and linuxmce is over all best for automation but it is still young needs more time yet..

[21:28:53]

justinh:

I've tried 'other' media systems too. There's really no comparison

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itscrimetime2:

yeah

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itscrimetime2:

mythtv has best gui

[21:29:43]

itscrimetime2:

sagetv has windows and it lags to hell

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HypNoMadic:

Do any of the other new themes other than Graphite support fanart?

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justinh:

sage's ui also sucks donkeys

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itscrimetime2:

yeah it lags to hell

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justinh:

HypNoMadic: mythbuntu for one

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dan4dm:

that's interesting. not really tried others, so i don't know. tried xbmc?

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sphery:

HypNoMadic: blue-abstract ?

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sphery:

or maybe "future" blue-abstract

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itscrimetime2:

xbmc sucks

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justinh:

xbmc != media center. For my money a 'center' has to do teevee recording

[21:30:35]

itscrimetime2:

it only made for vdr

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dan4dm:

ok

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itscrimetime2:

sat not cable

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itscrimetime2:

unlike mythtv it does all

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itscrimetime2:

cable/sat/ota

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itscrimetime2:

and so on

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justinh:

HypNoMadic: my next theme will, but only on one screen. Absolutely no point in putting fanart behind a gallery or list view

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justinh:

oh wait, no. I pulled it. now only in the details screen. heh

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HypNoMadic:

ok thanks, I like blue-abstract already and mythbuntu would look nice with some fanart behind it

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justinh:

mythbuntu already supports it

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justinh:

least here it does

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justinh:

for all the point there is when most of the screen is covered in item buttons

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HypNoMadic:

Mythfrontend becomes super slow it runs for more than 24 hours, but once I get a recording to play,even HD playback is perfect, if I exit the frontend and re-start it, it's super speedy for about a day, then it slows down again

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devinheitmueller:

HypNoMadic: perhaps a memory leak?

[21:57:17]

devinheitmueller:

HypNoMadic: might be interesting to see what the RAM utilization is before restarting it next time (compared to what it is as startup)

[21:58:45]

HypNoMadic:

devinheitmueller: that's what I thought at first but I've monitored the memory usage and it never grows out of control

[21:59:02]

devinheitmueller:

Have you looked at the CPU utilization before the restart?

[21:59:13]

devinheitmueller:

How about file handle utilization?

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HypNoMadic:

CPU utilizaion is never more than 10–20% either, which has me scratching my had as to what's causing the slow down

[22:00:41]

HypNoMadic:

what is file handle utilization and how would I monitor it?

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devinheitmueller:

ls /proc/<pid>/fd

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devinheitmueller:

... where <pid> is the PID of the mythfrontend

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devinheitmueller:

Could also be I/O (try running iostat)

[22:02:45]

devinheitmueller:

... or connections to the mysql database.

[22:02:55]

HypNoMadic:

should there be 100 items in /proce/PID/fd/ ?

[22:03:10]

devinheitmueller:

Seems like quite a few.

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devinheitmueller:

Is it slow now?

[22:04:07]

devinheitmueller:

Try this: ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd and pastebin the output

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HypNoMadic:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1684332

[22:05:06]

devinheitmueller:

Well, that doesn't look very good.

[22:05:43]

devinheitmueller:

Looks like 482 file handles. I would guess that you definitely have a filehandle leak.

[22:05:55]

HypNoMadic:

I also suffer from the <defunct> myth processes, but each defunct mythfrontend has its own PID

[22:06:03]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, that's different.

[22:06:29]

devinheitmueller:

This looks like something is choking trying to access your ALSA audio device, and not properly handling the exception condition.

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devinheitmueller:

Someone like iamlindoro might be better suited to provide some insight as to what can cause that sort of leak.

[22:07:30]

HypNoMadic:

devinheitmueller: weird, sound works great once I get playback to start

[22:07:38]

devinheitmueller:

... or sphery...

[22:07:40]

HypNoMadic:

thanks for the insight though, I think you're on to something

[22:08:12]

devinheitmueller:

HypNoMadic: fortunately, it seems readily reproducible in your environment, so it shouldn't be too hard to track down.

[22:09:33]

sphery:

using PulseAudio?

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HypNoMadic:

I uninstalled it a long time ago but maybe there are reminent startup scripts out there

[22:10:27]

HypNoMadic:

I'm definately not interested in using pulseaudio, Alsa is fine with me

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sphery:

analog or digital audio out?

[22:11:34]

HypNoMadic:

digital sdpif output

[22:11:58]

sphery:

trunk or 0.22-fixes?

[22:12:00]

HypNoMadic:

maybe the configure script is picking up on the pulseaudio dev package that's still installed and compiling it into myth?

[22:12:04]

HypNoMadic:

trunk

[22:12:56]

sphery:

No, compiling Pulse support in (either the 0.22-fixes and below pulse-disabling support or the experimental pulse suport in trunk) shouldn't be a problem if you're not actually using pulse

[22:13:03]

orogor:

anyone has a suggestion from the logs as why iptv doesnt works ? http://pastebin.com/m95254e6

[22:13:06]

sphery:

so it's more likely the major audio rework that went into trunk

[22:14:26]

sphery:

HypNoMadic: definitely interesting... will need to be investigated

[22:14:30]

justinh:

009-11–23 17:59:48.580 IPTVFeedRTSP:Failed to setup: video MP2T : SETUP: cannot handle response: RTSP/1.0 402 Payment Required – seems pretty damn clear

[22:14:35]

justinh:

orogor: ^^^^^ for you

[22:14:58]

justinh:

I said that a few hours again damnit

[22:15:01]

HypNoMadic:

sphery – any suggestions? I could submit a bug report if it would help, but my WAF factor has gone through the floor now and she's about to kill me

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sphery:

wow... someone is actually doing a "let my computer automatically pay-per-view for my IPTV" service...

[22:15:29]

frode`:

Hi, is it possibly to run trunk frontend on directfb or some other non-X display?

[22:15:39]

justinh:

frode`: not really no

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orogor:

justinh, haa no

[22:15:59]

justinh:

orogor: haha no what?

[22:16:02]

orogor:

<orogor> well i zapped throught a few channels and maybe there were a few a pay ones

[22:16:02]

orogor:

<orogor> line 180 to 200 might be more what it usually looks like

[22:16:31]

sphery:

HypNoMadic: no ideas at this point... if you can run it for a couple of days and see if the number of open filehandles is more reasonable on restart and always bad when performance slows, then upload a file containing the output of the commands like devinheitmueller had you run to a bug report, that would be useful

[22:16:37]

justinh:

why the hell are there gaps?

[22:16:48]

sphery:

I don't think there are any others tickets that reported that issue

[22:17:14]

devinheitmueller:

HypNoMadic: might also be useful to include the output of the command "arecord -l" and "arecord -L", since that will tell the developers about your ALSA setup.

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sphery:

HypNoMadic: also, make sure you include mythbackend --version output in the bug report and attach the debug output in its own text file rather than pasting it into the ticket description (which will make a hard-to-read mess)

[22:17:41]

orogor:

also i think that the playlist from hard drive broke and it works via http only

[22:17:47]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: do you know if the mythfrontend log reports any errors in the sound setup by default?

[22:17:57]

justinh:

one day somebody might actually get IPTV worky

[22:18:00]

sphery:

it would report major ones

[22:18:12]

HypNoMadic:

sphery: Wil do, and I'll keep my eyes on the file handle utiliziation between stopping/starting the frontend, thanks everyone

[22:18:18]

justinh:

orogor: there certainly aren't any obvious clues in that log

[22:18:23]

devinheitmueller:

HypNoMadic: ok, would suggest you include your mythfrontend log as well.

[22:18:43]

justinh:

orogor: using a proper frontend?

[22:18:54]

orogor:

the only shipped with ubuntu

[22:19:01]

justinh:

and wtf is with the blank lines in the log?

[22:19:01]

orogor:

the only one shipped with ubuntu

[22:19:07]

** devinheitmueller acknowledges that he is by no means familiar with the internals of mythtv debugging... **

[22:19:12]

sphery:

HypNoMadic: might need some -v stuff to get more audio errors... But, yeah, a short mythfrontend log at default verbosity (-v important,general)--from startup to playback--would be useful to start with

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orogor:

i did tail -nf 1000 , then addded blank spaces to isolate stuff

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justinh:

orogor: prolly need to see the log from when mythbackend starts

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justinh:

gonna give up asking to see log

[22:31:42]

justinh:

for good

[22:32:18]

orogor:

justinh, http://pastebin.com/m78983ef2

[22:32:30]

orogor:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart && tail -fn 1000 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log > ./mythlogs.txt

[22:32:34]

orogor:

that s the file i sent you

[22:33:56]

justinh:

so. you have a dvb tuner too eh

[22:34:25]

orogor:

about 20 channels on the dvb and 400 on the iptv

[22:34:34]

justinh:

and myth is set to start on a channel on the wrong source, maybe

[22:34:45]

justinh:

so you have 2 'video sources' ?

[22:34:47]

orogor:

hence why i wan t sure devs had iptv

[22:35:04]

justinh:

what do devs have to do with it?

[22:35:07]

orogor:

yes, and each can record 2 instances

[22:35:37]

orogor:

upgraded ubuntu yesterday ,iptv wasnt working , spent 1 day reconfiguring the iptv channels

[22:35:48]

orogor:

and still it doesn t worksd at all

[22:35:50]

justinh:

*A* developer said he'd tried the IPTV stuff. As an experiment on the same machine

[22:36:08]

justinh:

does it work outside of mythtv?

[22:36:20]

orogor:

sure

[22:36:35]

orogor:

like 3–4 channels at a time in sd

[22:36:40]

justinh:

somebody needs to document this stuff properly

[22:36:56]

justinh:

there's less information for it than for dvb-s. Now that's saying something

[22:37:11]

orogor:

i agree

[22:37:42]

justinh:

are you actually using a freebox source?

[22:38:02]

justinh:

just wondering cos it'll be the 1st time I've heard of anybody doing it

[22:38:07]

orogor:

well other french isp are coming to iptv too so maybe it will become used by a lotof peoples and fixed by a lot of peoples

[22:38:13]

orogor:

i use it

[22:38:56]

orogor:

i met like 3–4 peoples in that channel using it

[22:39:18]

justinh:

heh

[22:40:10]

orogor:

well not recently ...

[22:40:50]

orogor:

actually las time i can remember was like 3 years ago and the time before maybe 5 years

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justinh:

does it work if you set it to just record one stream from the iptv source?

[22:48:13]

orogor:

i used watch tv

[22:49:20]

orogor:

haaa maybe you re ight

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orogor:

i have 1 recording that wored today

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orogor:

i d say it s rather odd

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justinh:

for all we know iptv might be broken in 0.22 & nobody knows yet

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orogor:

id say in some cvs version of 0.22 it partially broke

[22:55:48]

orogor:

syntax broke iam almost sure

[22:56:15]

orogor:

or local playlist

[22:56:32]

orogor:

reinjecting tv guides while watching dr house :)

[22:59:36]

orogor:

justinh, do you know about icons in mythtv ?

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orogor:

like when you finish setting up your icons it says tha it can upload he info for other persons to use , how is that used?

[23:02:39]

justinh:

the info about the icons you pick can be uploaded to a mythtv.org server to help others find icons in future

[23:03:18]

iamlindoro:

Also, we use it to get your IP and steal your credit card number

[23:03:21]

justinh:

so if more people pick a given icon for a certain channel, that icon could be shown to others with the same channel first. As far as I know

[23:03:53]

justinh:

reminds me I wanted to look at the icon search code to find out why spaces in the channel name break it

[23:05:08]

orogor:

may i suggest using somethign like a fuzzy searc match and get the higher score the default sugestion?

[23:05:43]

justinh:

you can suggest all you want

[23:06:08]

justinh:

I don't think the icon reporting stats are even used yet

[23:06:21]

orogor:

thats what i was fearing

[23:08:01]

orogor:

how does it works it s like if the callsing matches a file in the icons folder,t he it s automatically set for the channel icon ?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any suggestions on how to handle this rewrite of the bindings? (7264)

[23:09:13]

justinh:

orogor: I don't know

[23:09:51]

orogor:

spent 2 hours yesterday for setting a few hundread icons ,i dont want to do that again and i d prefer scripting to rename my icons or something

[23:09:53]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm of the "apply it an break backwards compatibility" mindset

[23:10:05]

wagnerrp:

i was planning on just helping doug get his stuff updated, and deal with individual users as they pop up

[23:10:22]

sphery:

yeah, anything in the tree would need to be updated at or around the same time as the bindings

[23:10:23]

wagnerrp:

but i could probably implement most of the old functions wrapped around the new code

[23:10:29]

sphery:

others can come later

[23:10:37]

justinh:

orogor: FWIW doing it with only about 30 icons was a PITA

[23:10:48]

justinh:

I don't plan to do it again

[23:10:49]

justinh:

ever

[23:11:05]

sphery:

If you could do a really clean implementation of backwards compat (i.e. like a "compat" lib), it would be kind, but I don't think it's necessary

[23:11:19]

sphery:

I'd almost prefer your spending your time on more useful things, though :)

[23:11:22]

orogor:

haaa how about we exchange , i did set maybe 200–300 ?

[23:11:45]

sphery:

of course, my approach is a bit more hard-line than some of the other devs, so they may disagree

[23:11:48]

orogor:

just 30, i wouldn t bother scripting

[23:11:56]

wagnerrp:

well i could just move the current bindings over to a 'old' folder, and just require people change their scripts to import 'oldMythTV' instead of 'MythTV'

[23:12:09]

justinh:

orogor: my xmltv grabber can get icons anyway

[23:12:22]

sphery:

but would that mean 2 places to update as Myth changes?

[23:12:26]

sphery:

if so, I'd say not worth it

[23:12:37]

sphery:

the compat lib would only ideally exist in a single release

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sphery:

and, IMHO, if you give someone an "easy out", they take it. Regardless of how much you yell, "deprecated," few will update their scripts until the compatibility lib is removed

[23:13:49]

sphery:

which is why I don't really think the compatibility is worth the effort

[23:13:54]

orogor:

i use mc2xml

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wagnerrp:

heh, the bindings are using a 'depreciated' mysql module already

[23:14:13]

justinh:

problem here is that searching for "BBC ONE" finds every icon with 'BBC' in the name :\

[23:14:15]

orogor:

the usual french grabber is poo , it basically never woked

[23:14:20]

justinh:

orogor: naughty

[23:14:46]

justinh:

I hope MS sues mc2xml out of existence :)

[23:14:52]

dustybin:

justinh: it finds every single BBC icon, apart from the proper grey BBC 1 icon

[23:15:02]

justinh:

it's red

[23:15:04]

justinh:

RED

[23:15:07]

dustybin:

oh :O

[23:15:16]

justinh:

maybe grey on your TV

[23:15:24]

dustybin:

i was using wrong one

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orogor:

justinh, why so?

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justinh:

orogor: because *stealing* data from microsoft is STEALING

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dustybin:

justinh: your missing the graham norton show :D

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justinh:

dustybin: you're missing somebody pouring petrol through your letterbox

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well its probably going to cause a lot of problems when i do release it

[23:16:43]

dustybin:

jeeze :(

[23:16:44]

wagnerrp:

its a BIG shift from functional code to data/object oriented code

[23:17:17]

sphery:

justinh: but someone told me that information wants to be free

[23:17:45]

tzanger:

heh

[23:17:53]

sphery:

justinh: so, I just assumed that meant that everyone who copyrights any work at all wants the whole world to steal it

[23:18:03]

justinh:

heheheh

[23:18:39]

justinh:

well, windows users have a big culture of theft

[23:19:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I think *buntu is using the python bindings in their scripts a lot, right? If so, it might be nice to check with them/give them some advance notice of it, too

[23:19:10]

justinh:

only difference with OSS is – it can't be stealing cos it's given away

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justinh:

anyway.. Zzzzzzz

[23:19:38]

sphery:

gn

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Wicked:

hello all...i kinda have a random question regarding mythtv...mythtv is aware of what revision from svn it is...how exactly does it know what revision it is? is it a variable in the code?..im trying to grep through the src to find out how it does it

[23:20:35]

sphery:

Wicked: it's a mess :)

[23:20:50]

Lexridge:

I finally got v.22 built and working. One problem though....the holding down the right cursor key to FF through a recorded program does not work as it did in .21.

[23:20:58]

sphery:

Wicked: there's a script, version.sh, that's executed by a Makefile created by qmake using information in version.pro

[23:21:02]

Wicked:

well im trying to figure out how i can make my own java program aware of what revision it is.

[23:21:07]

Lexridge:

it goes about 2 minutes, then stops.

[23:21:08]

Wicked:

ah i see

[23:21:17]

sphery:

Wicked: that script basically creates a ".cpp" file that has a couple of DEFINEs in it

[23:21:36]

Wicked:

yea. i found that cpp file..so its generated from version.sh at compile time

[23:21:56]

sphery:

and, if the user does an svn switch to switch a working copy from trunk to -fixes or vice versa, it's not updated, so it says the wrong information in --version output

[23:22:07]

Wicked:

ah gotcha.

[23:22:11]

sphery:

if you can come up with a better way, we'd /love/ to have it

[23:22:12]

orogor:

Wicked, mythbackend --version

[23:22:40]

orogor:

there s a Library API : 0.22.20091023–1

[23:22:58]

Wicked:

sphery, heh. im prob gonna go off what you guys are doing for my own project.

[23:23:05]

Wicked:

was just curious how you all did it.

[23:23:08]

sphery:

Wicked: the way it works, now, it allows different revision information for different apps (i.e. mythavtest, mythfrontend, mythbackend) because a user may svn up in on dir and not the main dir

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Wicked:

ah right

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sphery:

there was a huge thread on the dev list about it

[23:26:11]

Wicked:

ah. ill have to go dig it up

[23:26:33]

sphery:

had to account for all sorts of things (building outside of a working copy, no svn tools installs, ...)

[23:27:38]

Wicked:

ah. well in my case its a small project that...ill pretty much be the only user of it..so i dont need to cater to alot of needs from other people. so i can prob get away with a dirty hack

[23:27:40]

sphery:

I can't find it on initial look, but I remember the thread

[23:28:01]

Wicked:

yea. no worries. ill try to dig it up in a little bit

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justinh:

damn theme. won't let me sleep til I do some more

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iamlindoro:

Can't sleep, theme will eat me

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justinh:

realised my old nemesis the buttonlist code wants to see me again. I don't want to see it

[23:52:56]

justinh:

oh go on, just whack another state in I think.. yeah right. Forgetting I don't do *understanding* code

[23:53:33]

justinh:

arranging shapes in inkscape is much easier than code wrangling after all

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