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| [00:02:43] | paco_: | good, nice job, time to sleep now |
| [00:02:51] | paco_: | thank you for all, see you |
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| [00:15:31] | Egghead: | using jamu on myth 9.10, i now have two main dirs under videos home (watch videos menu), one is Videos and the other is storage groups. anyone know of a way to get rid of the storage groups dir? i tried rescanning empty dir then rescanning the populated dir |
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| [00:26:11] | martint: | hi to all, for those who are dev's... thank you! |
| [00:27:42] | martint: | I do have a question though, about MythVideo... in .22, I want to change the number of rows that are displayed... is that possible? |
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| [00:42:02] | MartinJT: | I'll leave this pc online so if any of you can help |
| [00:42:44] | wagnerrp: | MartinJT: that is now defined by the theme |
| [00:42:45] | MartinJT: | I'd really appreciate it... |
| [00:42:53] | wagnerrp: | if you want to change it, you have to alter the theme |
| [00:43:11] | MartinJT: | hmmm |
| [00:43:55] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 underwent a very significant rewrite, such that themes could be far more capable |
| [00:44:06] | MartinJT: | whereabouts in the theme would it be? |
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| [00:44:12] | luux: | sup |
| [00:44:13] | wagnerrp: | but certain capabilities of the user were lost in the process |
| [00:44:31] | MartinJT: | pointers is enough... I'm a programmer by trade but not done anything in myth yet |
| [00:45:02] | wagnerrp: | should be video-ui.xml |
| [00:52:46] | MartinJT: | hmmm.... nothing obvious jumping out at me.... |
| [00:53:29] | iamlindoro: | It's not as simple as changing number fo columns/rows |
| [00:53:33] | iamlindoro: | you need to rewrite the buttlist |
| [00:53:36] | iamlindoro: | er buttonlist |
| [00:54:10] | iamlindoro: | which likely means reading the theming documentation to be able to understand how to do so |
| [00:54:23] | MartinJT: | yeah... doing that now... |
| [00:54:41] | luux: | wow, nvidia engineers patch ffmpeg oO |
| [00:54:47] | MartinJT: | it's 1am though.... may have to wait until tomorrow... |
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| [01:00:58] | wagnerrp: | luux: nvidia seems to actually care about the linux market |
| [01:01:46] | wagnerrp: | although i have a suspicion that nvidia cares about the linux professional graphics market |
| [01:01:51] | wagnerrp: | and the consumer market just gets pulled along |
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| [01:14:57] | neon_: | hello, i have an aver media volar max hybrid usb tuner card, it has linux drivers ant it is install however i can't get mythtv to work, it sees it but i'm just clueless any suggestion on where i can go to read to mak eit work thx |
| [01:16:10] | wagnerrp: | does the card work in linux? |
| [01:16:21] | wagnerrp: | (is there a /dev/video0 and/or /dev/dvb/adapter0) |
| [01:17:03] | neon_: | it has linux drivers and i can get mplayer thru some commads to display the picture and sound just have a hard time switching chaneels that way |
| [01:17:27] | neon_: | /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [01:18:02] | wagnerrp: | then just add the card as a 'dvb tuner' in mythtv, and follow the rest of the steps as normal |
| [01:18:44] | neon_: | there now will try and see what happens thx |
| [01:19:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should enumerate and list all detected dvb cards when you try to add it |
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| [01:23:32] | brad2: | hey wagnerr, if i have a bunch of extra storage on another mythfrontend box, what is the best way to add it, so the backend can use it? |
| [01:23:36] | brad2: | nfs mount? smb mount? |
| [01:24:22] | wagnerrp: | move said storage onto the machine with the tuners |
| [01:24:49] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you dont want a hard drive in a frontend-only box |
| [01:25:06] | brad2: | that's what i figured |
| [01:25:18] | brad2: | now i was also thinking of adding a tuner to that box as well, and adding a slave backend |
| [01:25:34] | brad2: | does that change the equation? Or ideally, i want everything storage tuners, etc all on one box |
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| [01:26:09] | wagnerrp: | generally, you still want to record to the local hard drives if possible |
| [01:26:51] | wagnerrp: | also, its best to have recordings not be in the same directory on different machines |
| [01:27:11] | wagnerrp: | for instance, store to /media/mythbe1/recordings on one, /media/mythbe2/recordings on the other |
| [01:27:27] | brad2: | ahh i see |
| [01:27:38] | wagnerrp: | also makes it easier if you do want to share storage across NFS |
| [01:28:03] | brad2: | so it is possible to have the multiple backends (one master, one slave) that record to their own local drives |
| [01:28:08] | brad2: | would they have seperate storage groups? |
| [01:28:31] | wagnerrp: | give them each their own storage group |
| [01:28:41] | wagnerrp: | SGs are defined on a per-machine basis |
| [01:28:53] | wagnerrp: | and fall back to the MBE's definition in the event none is defined for that name |
| [01:29:04] | brad2: | got it, thanks |
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| [01:30:20] | brad2: | one last question, if i ended up putting 2 hd-pvrs on one comp, that shouldn't cause any problems? As they are doing all the encoding in the box, and just shipping it to the comp across usb? Or would 2 simultaneous usb streams cause problems? |
| [01:32:45] | wagnerrp: | they peak out at about 1.6MB/s, any USB2.0 controller should manage that without trouble |
| [01:34:39] | brad2: | great |
| [01:37:27] | MartinJT: | what's the best, easiest and quickest way to test changes to a theme? |
| [01:39:45] | iamlindoro: | by viewing the screen upon which you have made changes ;) |
| [01:40:53] | MartinJT: | i was meaning how to view the changes... i.e. dropping out of myth then going back in? or just out of the screen... |
| [01:41:04] | MartinJT: | I don't know the caching policy.. |
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| [01:42:05] | MartinJT: | also, which theme location is used... is it /usr/share/mythtv/themes/<selected theme dir>/ |
| [01:42:08] | maddslacker: | wagnerrp, hey, I found the setting a needed to get my tv and recording to display properly |
| [01:44:22] | MartinJT: | really got to get some sleep.... if anyone has thoughts/answers... please let me know... i'll leave this connected... |
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| [01:45:23] | MartinJT: | thanks for your help so far.... |
| [01:45:29] | jya: | Where is the settings to configure when to run mythfilldatabase ? it used to be in mythfrontend in the general screen... |
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| [02:08:52] | itscrimetime: | hey all |
| [02:09:24] | itscrimetime: | has anyone ever seen this error Failed to create new raw1394 handle on port 0 |
| [02:10:44] | maddslacker: | I have but it wasn't realted to Mythtv at the time |
| [02:10:55] | maddslacker: | IIRC it was a missing firewire driver |
| [02:11:21] | itscrimetime: | what driver? |
| [02:12:11] | itscrimetime: | you mean firewire drivers they all installed |
| [02:12:14] | maddslacker: | what distro? |
| [02:12:24] | itscrimetime: | kubuntu 8.10 |
| [02:15:21] | maddslacker: | from what the google says, looks like updating to a newer ubuntu may be the fix |
| [02:15:24] | maddslacker: | it is firewire |
| [02:15:35] | maddslacker: | are you using firewire in your setup? |
| [02:18:46] | maddslacker: | itscrimetime, good news |
| [02:19:05] | maddslacker: | try sudo apt-get install libraw1394 |
| [02:20:39] | itscrimetime: | i did |
| [02:20:48] | maddslacker: | no change? |
| [02:20:51] | itscrimetime: | none |
| [02:20:54] | maddslacker: | hmmm |
| [02:21:15] | maddslacker: | I remembered my issue was with kino back in the day and I had to install it for that, even though I didn't use the connection |
| [02:21:59] | itscrimetime: | bad card |
| [02:22:12] | itscrimetime: | i gona install a new one |
| [02:22:26] | maddslacker: | yeah, was gonna say that next, I have some off the wall pci one that refises to work with the correct drivers |
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| [02:24:15] | itscrimetime: | it was a bad card |
| [02:24:43] | itscrimetime: | next problem is a homerun in myth22 locks up 2 seconds after playing |
| [02:25:02] | maddslacker: | homerun? |
| [02:25:08] | itscrimetime: | yeah |
| [02:25:14] | itscrimetime: | homerun hd |
| [02:25:14] | maddslacker: | what is that? |
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| [02:25:30] | pyther: | Hello |
| [02:25:55] | pyther: | I'm not sure what happend but my mythtv frontend won't load any themes expect default, can't watch livetv, nor can it watch recordings |
| [02:26:11] | [R]: | what does it say in the log |
| [02:26:29] | pyther: | The backend log looks clean |
| [02:26:34] | pyther: | the frontend says: 2009-11–18 21:23:25.162 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, file not found |
| [02:26:35] | pyther: | 2009-11–18 21:24:03.657 GetRecordBasename found no entry for 1051 @ 2009-11–18T21:00:00 |
| [02:26:51] | pyther: | mythweb seems to see the recordings and appears to be working normally |
| [02:26:53] | [R]: | thats it? it says 2 lines? |
| [02:27:20] | pyther: | well it spits out a lot more, but those are the two that grab my attention |
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| [02:27:54] | pyther: | http://pastebin.ca/1677331 <== mythfrontend |
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| [02:30:56] | luux: | flashnews!! newsflash!! |
| [02:31:12] | ** luux <--- installing mythtv 22 ** | |
| [02:31:19] | maddslacker: | ok |
| [02:31:30] | pyther: | I can't figure out what broke it either |
| [02:31:31] | maddslacker: | pyther, i'm stumped |
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| [02:31:37] | pyther: | it was working just fine the other day |
| [02:31:42] | maddslacker: | pyther, OS updates? |
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| [02:32:19] | pyther: | libmysql |
| [02:32:25] | pyther: | maybe I need to rebuild it |
| [02:32:40] | maddslacker: | I'd think that would more affect backend, but yeah, worth a shot |
| [02:35:03] | gizmobay: | pyther, may want to run the db repair first |
| [02:35:37] | pyther: | gizmobay, how do I do that? It seems as if the db is okay (mythweb works fine) |
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| [02:37:39] | pyther: | I'll be back in a little bit there is something I have to take care off |
| [02:37:54] | gizmobay: | optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [02:38:29] | gizmobay: | but if mythweb works you may have something else going on |
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| [02:43:34] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, Any chance you'd have a moment to see if my Twitter plugin compiles successfully on your Qt 4.4 box? |
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| [02:45:59] | Guest92205: | anybody here have an hdhomerun running with mythtv 0.22? |
| [02:46:18] | HypNoMadic: | Would someone who downloads trailers with Jamu, post their jamu.conf file to pastebin please? |
| [02:46:19] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, i'm on Qt 4.5.3, is that too new to test? |
| [02:46:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, sure, not up to head newer than a week ago, but I can test with what I have. |
| [02:46:40] | HypNoMadic: | Guest92205: I'm using two HDHR's on .22 trunk |
| [02:46:51] | iamlindoro: | maddslacker, yes, too new |
| [02:46:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I'm on 4.4.3, just as a data point. |
| [02:46:59] | maddslacker: | iamlindoro, k |
| [02:47:05] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, That's what I'm looking for (fear I'd be bumping the version) |
| [02:47:26] | RDV_Linux: | HypNoMadic: You cannot download trailers with Jamu only images |
| [02:47:27] | Guest92205: | Do you have to manually change inputs? |
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| [02:48:00] | Guest92205: | HypNoMadic: Do you have to manually change inputs? |
| [02:48:07] | HypNoMadic: | Guest92205: manually change inputs? I'm not sure I understand what you mean. |
| [02:48:25] | HypNoMadic: | RDV_Linux: oh, well that explains it then, thanks |
| [02:48:32] | RDV_Linux: | np |
| [02:48:45] | Guest92205: | HypNoMadic: Say I'm recording a channel and I want to watch another channel I have to push m to change inputs before I can leave...really annoying |
| [02:50:13] | HypNoMadic: | Guest92205: I haven't had to do anything like that, try deleting them both mythtv-setup and re-adding each tuner on your HDRH maybe? |
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| [02:50:51] | Guest92205: | tried twice...How do you setup your input groups? |
| [02:51:31] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, Going to theme up the defaults really quickly just so you can test it actually runs there |
| [02:51:42] | HypNoMadic: | Guest92205: nothing was cutomized at all, I think I just added the tuners (4 or them) and then everything is the canned defaults |
| [02:52:35] | Guest92205: | do you have multirecord (2) on each input? |
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| [02:55:40] | PeaceKeeper: | ll |
| [02:55:43] | PeaceKeeper: | sorry |
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| [02:56:59] | HypNoMadic: | Guest82738: I didn't configure it and don't ever use it (not with two HDHR's) so I probably don't have it configured |
| [02:57:29] | PeaceKeeper: | Looks like after upgradeing to latest fixes on atrpm I can not longer back up livetv |
| [02:58:48] | tre: | so if something is recording on tuner one and you channel up it will auto select the input without you needing to change? |
| [02:59:38] | pyther: | Meh I recompiled and still nothing :( |
| [03:00:30] | PeaceKeeper: | Yea it look s like only live tv... |
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| [03:01:10] | PeaceKeeper: | recordings I can back up just fine. Now I need to see if there is an error long anywhere whne trying |
| [03:05:13] | HypNoMadic: | Occasionally, especially after a commercial skip, I loose sound and the video goes skippy/jerky. I can only fix it by changing the time stretch to something, then back to 1.0, any one else seeing this behavior? |
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| [03:13:30] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok the new atrpm fixes release also does not remember what channel you are on when pressing the up and down to browse through channels |
| [03:13:45] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, ping |
| [03:13:54] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, pong (but phone) |
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| [03:14:29] | jpabq: | since meta data download works again, I have the mythfrontend log you asked for. Have time to look at it? |
| [03:14:50] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, not really right now, but can look ASAP |
| [03:14:58] | jpabq: | pastbin or email? |
| [03:15:03] | iamlindoro: | either way is fine |
| [03:15:11] | jpabq: | I will email it... |
| [03:15:29] | iamlindoro: | ok, will try to look soon |
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| [03:21:35] | Cardoe_: | anyone notice an issue when trying to watch a recording the remote frontend says "Please wait" and there's no way to exit out of that without killing the frontend |
| [03:21:51] | Cardoe_: | the frontend pretty much logs that it failed to start up VDPAU |
| [03:23:54] | PeaceKeeper: | IS there a setting to rmember the channel you are on? |
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| [03:24:05] | PeaceKeeper: | Cardoe_: I have only seen that once |
| [03:24:19] | Cardoe_: | I get it everytime I leave the frontend idle for a while |
| [03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe_: ive seen it happen on VDPAU and ffmpeg, although i would see it when exiting |
| [03:24:48] | wagnerrp: | some sort of race condition in the UI code |
| [03:25:06] | wagnerrp: | seems to have been resolved in recent trunk (or at least i havent experienced it any more, when i used to see it every time) |
| [03:25:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the fix got backported |
| [03:25:38] | PeaceKeeper: | wagnerrp: do you know if there is a setting to remember the channel you are on? |
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| [03:26:27] | PeaceKeeper: | I am having trouble, if it tune to channle 40 and then press up or down it starts over at channel 4 |
| [03:26:48] | Cardoe_: | wagnerrp: any idea what the ticket # was or a ballpark commit #? |
| [03:26:51] | zurn: | faq says 3ghz for hdtv decoding (tv tuner), is that 3ghz single core, or 3ghz regardless of how many cores you have (e.g. can the processor compensate and run all other processes on other core(s) so that you record on a sub-3ghz processor? |
| [03:28:05] | wagnerrp: | i was suffering it at the build directly before the branch, 22424 |
| [03:28:19] | wagnerrp: | it no longer caused me problems at 22680 or 22729.... sorry i cant narrow it further than that |
| [03:28:26] | wagnerrp: | didnt build anything in between |
| [03:28:43] | wagnerrp: | if youre lucky, it was fixed between the two later ones |
| [03:29:05] | Cardoe_: | that's fine |
| [03:29:08] | Cardoe_: | that helps a bunch |
| [03:29:18] | wagnerrp: | this is all on trunk |
| [03:32:21] | pyther: | I'm getting "Incorrect arguments to mysqld_stmt_execute" when running mythtv-setup |
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| [03:36:33] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe_: perhaps 22552, when the recordings screen got shifted over to a threaded drawing |
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| [03:36:57] | Cardoe_: | hmm that's a good one to try |
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| [03:37:52] | wagnerrp: | 22727 seems to be related |
| [03:38:01] | wagnerrp: | and 22726 |
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| [03:39:06] | Cardoe_: | those are going to be a bit of a pain to get everyone to backport due to the ABI/API change |
| [03:39:12] | Cardoe_: | hope its not those |
| [03:39:57] | pyther: | Meh I guess mythtv is fucked on this machine for a while |
| [03:42:15] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe_: well i keep my last three boot images available, which includes all three of those revisions, try to narrow it down a bit |
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| [03:42:50] | wagnerrp: | although there it be a bit of trouble dealing with schema revs, but i believe that was just mythvideo, which i can block |
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| [03:53:33] | pyther: | Myth doesn't play nice with the new version of mysql |
| [03:53:39] | pyther: | Who can I report this issue to? |
| [03:55:38] | Cardoe_: | whats the new version? |
| [03:57:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | and what's the issue, a deadlock? |
| [03:57:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | nevermind, it's not our lock issue if it's what I see you mentioned above. |
| [03:59:52] | pyther: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7610 |
| [04:00:11] | pyther: | It seems that it breaks with the mysql 5.1.41 upgrade |
| [04:01:33] | pyther: | It actually seems to be an issue with QMYSQL3 |
| [04:01:42] | pyther: | but I dunno what QMYSQL3 is! |
| [04:01:55] | Cardoe_: | That's Qt's MySQL wrapper |
| [04:02:10] | Cardoe_: | but if you're using MythTV 0.22... you're not using QMYSQL3... |
| [04:02:21] | Cardoe_: | that's from Qt3 |
| [04:03:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | Cardoe_, I just doublechecked, we have "QMSQL3" in our QSqlDatabase::addDatabase() call, so that's probably where that comes from. |
| [04:03:05] | pyther: | Well I indeed have mythtv 0.22 |
| [04:03:25] | Cardoe_: | Captain_Murdoch: oh well there ya go then |
| [04:03:37] | pyther: | Would that cause everything to break? |
| [04:03:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | still sounds like a Qt issue since Qt calls mysql commands, we don't. |
| [04:05:22] | ** Captain_Murdoch resists asking what was broken with the MythTV box before that caused the user to want to upgrade it. :| ** | |
| [04:05:56] | Cardoe_: | I didn't know any distros were shipping 5.1.x |
| [04:06:08] | Cardoe_: | And this comes from the Gentoo guy :-D |
| [04:06:10] | maddslacker: | hehe, I have mine locked to slackware 13 and mythtv .22 |
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| [04:06:23] | pyther: | I'm using Arch Linux |
| [04:06:26] | maddslacker: | ima not change it for a long while |
| [04:06:29] | pyther: | they can be bleeding edge sometimes |
| [04:06:38] | maddslacker: | or just bleeding |
| [04:07:01] | pyther: | Actually it was an issue with the frontend that caused me to dig into the backend |
| [04:07:06] | Cardoe_: | pyther: I'd file a bug with your distro for them to test their Qt packages with MySQL |
| [04:07:39] | pyther: | But it really isn't a distro bug is it? |
| [04:08:36] | pyther: | Isn't really a qt bug? |
| [04:08:45] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, The only thing I can guess at here is locale issues on the system-- any odd/unusual locale settings? |
| [04:09:45] | maddslacker: | pyther, what version of qt? |
| [04:09:46] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, hmmm, not that I can think of. Both are set to the same time zone, and I assume both are in the "c" local, but I can check that. |
| [04:10:14] | pyther: | 4.5.3 |
| [04:10:23] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I only know that some people with non-UTF-8 locales have had weird file remove/add issues, thinking this might be similar |
| [04:10:29] | iamlindoro: | off to find some dinner |
| [04:10:29] | maddslacker: | i'm checking mine |
| [04:10:52] | pyther: | Hmm I think it might be a socket issue |
| [04:10:56] | pyther: | How can a tell? |
| [04:10:57] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, I have never messed with that stuff. I will take a look. Thanks. |
| [04:12:02] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, no problem, I hope it sends you in the right direction-- -v file,network on the backend during a scan may be enlightening for what it does, or doesn't list |
| [04:12:27] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, okay. When it is done recording tonight, I will get that log |
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| [04:13:01] | pyther: | Cardoe_, there some talk on my distro's forum so I'll see what happens in regards to that |
| [04:13:13] | maddslacker: | pyther, my qt is 4.5.3 |
| [04:13:25] | pyther: | maddslacker, you update mysql? |
| [04:13:33] | maddslacker: | lemme check |
| [04:13:58] | maddslacker: | mysql-5.1.39 |
| [04:14:09] | maddslacker: | this is my slackware-current box |
| [04:14:17] | maddslacker: | my 13 box is a bit older of course |
| [04:14:23] | pyther: | Does myth connect the the mysql.sock? |
| [04:14:49] | pyther: | "This update breaks MySQL support in PHP and Amarok. Akonadi and MythTV don't start too.All them are looking for /tmp/mysql.sock when it is in /var/run/mysql/ named mysqld.sock." |
| [04:15:02] | pyther: | So I dunno if that is the cause or if qt is the cause |
| [04:15:16] | maddslacker: | that looks like that would be it |
| [04:15:24] | pyther: | Sadly I don't have enough knowledge about mythtv and sql :-l |
| [04:15:33] | maddslacker: | same |
| [04:15:34] | pyther: | So myth looks for a socket? |
| [04:16:24] | maddslacker: | dunno |
| [04:17:51] | pyther: | Well I'll see what happens. I posted on the bug report I created so hopefully someone more knowledgeable can help me out |
| [04:18:05] | pyther: | I got to go to bed now or else I'll be a zombie tomorrow! |
| [04:19:59] | pyther: | Thanks all who attempted to help me ;) |
| [04:21:40] | maddslacker: | in mythplugins, if I'm reading ./configure --help correctly, it seems mythbrowser builds by default? |
| [04:22:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | I doubt that my playback box threaded loading affected Cardoe's VDPAU issue. that just creates a busy dialog popup, loads the recording list in the background, then displays the list. it shouldn't have any effect on playing back a recording after the screen is initially loaded. |
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| [04:26:42] | PhoenixUT: | I've been running into an occasional segfault in the backend. I haven't been able to grab a backtrace since it's really hit or miss on whether I can reproduce the problem |
| [04:26:59] | PhoenixUT: | but I've tracked the segfault down to some specific behavior in the backend log |
| [04:27:54] | PhoenixUT: | occasionally when two (virtual) recorders using multirec on a HDHR are attempting to start recording on two different subchannels I'll end up with a case like this in the backend |
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| [04:28:19] | PhoenixUT: | 2009-11–17 23:54:29.997 TVRec(5): StartRecording(705 (KPHODT)) |
| [04:28:19] | PhoenixUT: | 2009-11–17 23:54:29.998 TVRec(5): Deleting stale pending recording 5 '705 (KPHODT)' |
| [04:28:19] | PhoenixUT: | 2009-11–17 23:54:30.000 TVRec(5): Checking input group recorders – begin |
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| [04:29:06] | PhoenixUT: | the only thing I can see that could cause that is the defrererencing of the iterator in TVRec::StartRecording() |
| [04:29:29] | PhoenixUT: | it checks for cardid in the pendingrecordings map and saves an iterator |
| [04:29:54] | PhoenixUT: | but then yields to the event thread and continues to use the iterator after resuming execution |
| [04:30:07] | PhoenixUT: | in the meantime the event thread appears to have deleted the stale pending recording from the map |
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| [04:32:31] | PhoenixUT: | I might be lost somewhere, but this all I can see between the "Checking input recorders – begin" and corresponding end (which I never see) that could cause a segfault |
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| [04:35:52] | PhoenixUT: | The attempts when I am unable to cause the segfault the stale pending recordings are never deleted between entering TVRec::StartRecording() and checking the input group recorders |
| [04:36:22] | PhoenixUT: | so it appears to be specifically related to deleting entries from the pendingRecordings map |
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| [04:48:34] | tre: | with the hdhomerun do I have to create two separate video sources for each tuner or can I use the same video source for each tuner? |
| [04:48:39] | tre: | please and thanks :) |
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| [04:49:03] | borei: | hi folks |
| [04:49:25] | borei: | anybody here ? |
| [04:49:38] | PhoenixUT: | if they are connected to the same input (ie both OTA or both cable) you can use the same video source for them |
| [04:49:55] | tre: | ok thanks they are both connected to ota |
| [04:50:08] | borei: | ok, can somebody help me with on issue |
| [04:50:10] | tre: | do i leave them both as generic ? |
| [04:50:23] | borei: | i'm trying to compile mythtv against nvidia xvmc library |
| [04:50:23] | tre: | for the input group |
| [04:50:29] | borei: | but getting th following: |
| [04:50:37] | borei: | "/usr/local/lib/libXvMC.so: undefined reference to `_xvmc_create_subpicture'" |
| [04:50:46] | borei: | libXvMC.so is just symlink to nvidia library |
| [04:50:46] | PhoenixUT: | yes you don't need to do anything special with the input groups for the HDHR |
| [04:50:57] | borei: | is it well known issue or new bug ? |
| [04:51:03] | borei: | driver 190.42 |
| [04:51:09] | borei: | mythtv 0.22 |
| [04:51:29] | tre: | thanks PhoenixUT. Do you setup to use multirec (2) ? |
| [04:51:36] | maddslacker: | ok I've setup a linux web server before, including worpress, but i'm missing something onmythweb |
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| [04:52:14] | PhoenixUT: | yep I am using multirec. When you enable multirec it will create input groups for all the multirec imputs on its own so you don't have to do anything extra |
| [04:52:45] | PhoenixUT: | I don't know how useful multirec is for OTA though |
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| [04:53:07] | tre: | yeah i noticed I have a few sub channels, but not sure if they are multiplexed on the same freq |
| [04:53:15] | tre: | i'm in northern utah |
| [04:53:27] | PhoenixUT: | since the broadcaster is really only multiplexing its own stations onto the incoming frequency (HD station, SD station and maybe some weather/traffic, etc) |
| [04:53:57] | borei: | anybody ? |
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| [04:54:34] | tre: | wahoo finally got both tuners working without having to manually switch the inputs...thanks PhoenixUT |
| [04:55:12] | PhoenixUT: | sure thing :) |
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| [04:57:52] | luux: | how to pick HD ? when I play tv defaults to SD |
| [04:58:03] | luux: | I want 1080p!!! |
| [04:58:44] | sphery: | borei: oh, sorry... I see you already did |
| [04:59:10] | sphery: | borei: anyway, what are you using for the configure line? |
| [04:59:25] | sphery: | we haev several different xvmc options and many are mutually exclusive |
| [04:59:46] | sphery: | Any chance Johnny Walker or Bill Meek from the lists is here? |
| [05:00:23] | sphery: | if not, I guess I could go with some of the other Johnny Walker... |
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| [05:01:48] | ** iamlindoro meekly offers sphery some Johnny Walker ** | |
| [05:02:45] | luux: | so..? |
| [05:03:00] | luux: | how to switch to HD viewing? |
| [05:03:26] | iamlindoro: | luux, Myth doesn't have a magiv HD switch-- if the source material is HD, and your X resolution is HD, you get HD playback |
| [05:03:29] | iamlindoro: | er magic |
| [05:04:22] | luux: | I got both SD and HD sources. My card is hybrid |
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| [05:09:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro: too bad all I haev in the house is Black Label. The store on the cruise ship was out of Green Label (but they still had the /very/ low compared to home price on a sign). :( |
| [05:09:28] | sphery: | er, Blue label |
| [05:09:39] | sphery: | maybe I've had too much of that black |
| [05:09:48] | iamlindoro: | I have some green label here |
| [05:10:11] | iamlindoro: | Also some high quality stuff from Scotland when I was there |
| [05:10:14] | sphery: | green's good, too |
| [05:10:48] | sphery: | Wow.. I have to make the trip to Scotland one of these days. Closes I've done so far was a tour of the land in a /very/ well-stocked bar in NYC. |
| [05:11:07] | sphery: | had more selections of Scotch than any other I've ever been to. |
| [05:11:42] | maddslacker: | grr, ok my mythweb when pointed to the install directory displays a list of folders/fiels, when pointed to mythwe.php it displays as as text file |
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| [05:15:27] | Cardoe_: | Captain_Murdoch: so any suggestions in the playback ticket? and got a TODO list wiki or got an internal thing? |
| [05:16:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) I thought there were others reporting occasional VDPAU startup issues. sphery migth know better than me. nah, my TODO is just internal. shoulda put a smiley after that. |
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| [05:17:05] | Cardoe_: | Captain_Murdoch: I didn't mean to be rude. I was just trying to make sure it didn't slip in the cracks |
| [05:17:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've thought of posting my TODO on my wiki page or something but have never got around to it and I edit it too much locally. shoud just upload it regularly |
| [05:17:12] | tre: | anybody here use mythexport? |
| [05:17:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | nah, didn't think you were being rude. |
| [05:17:20] | Cardoe_: | sphery: ping when you get a chance |
| [05:17:20] | tre: | with 0.22 |
| [05:17:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | sorry if I came across that way. |
| [05:17:28] | maddslacker: | tre, i haven't tried it |
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| [05:18:04] | Cardoe_: | Captain_Murdoch: nah you didn't. Just never know exactly how people take something via IRC |
| [05:18:07] | luux: | got it |
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| [05:18:36] | Cardoe_: | Now I need to track down why Gentoo users with core2's can't compile MythTV when on i386 |
| [05:18:39] | luux: | but is not doing 1080p |
| [05:18:40] | borei: | sphery: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA_dynamic |
| [05:18:54] | borei: | sphery: missed your answer |
| [05:18:54] | Cardoe_: | somehow -fPIC is getting passed in |
| [05:19:40] | tre: | maddslacker, do you use nuvexport for transcoding then? |
| [05:19:52] | PhoenixUT: | Cardoe_: I had that problem when using the portage ebuilds, but since I started using MarcT's SVN ones the problem magically fixed itself |
| [05:20:14] | Cardoe_: | PhoenixUT: well yeah cause he's sed'ing out all the -fPIC out of all the MythTV .pro files |
| [05:20:35] | Cardoe_: | Which just doing that blindly isn't the right solution |
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| [05:20:57] | maddslacker: | tre, tbh the only couple of things I've wanted to export I've just run through ffmpeg |
| [05:21:02] | Cardoe_: | His ebuilds are just an old copy of mine |
| [05:21:16] | Cardoe_: | I've pointed out he should probably keep up with other fixes |
| [05:21:18] | maddslacker: | tre, you might check this out though |
| [05:21:19] | maddslacker: | http://mythrip.longstair.com/ |
| [05:21:31] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe_: last i checked, gentoo users on any processor couldnt compile on i386 |
| [05:21:41] | luux: | wait, what fixes? |
| [05:21:47] | wagnerrp: | ive got the same issues on a P3 and an AthXP |
| [05:21:52] | sphery: | borei: if you have XvMC wrapper, you need to use --disable-xvmcw |
| [05:21:52] | PhoenixUT: | yeah I actually use a local version of the two somewhat munged together |
| [05:22:06] | Cardoe_: | wagnerrp: It appears that MythTV by default always uses -march=pentiumpro for i386 |
| [05:22:07] | borei: | i have wrapper |
| [05:22:17] | luux: | I got this one ---> 0.22_p22824-r1 |
| [05:22:19] | Cardoe_: | but when we respect what users put in /etc/make.conf, there's an issue |
| [05:22:20] | luux: | is that old? |
| [05:22:27] | Cardoe_: | luux: no that's new |
| [05:22:38] | luux: | ah ok |
| [05:22:41] | borei: | i'll try |
| [05:22:44] | Cardoe_: | need to grab the NZ chan scan fix for SD |
| [05:22:49] | borei: | thanks for heads up |
| [05:22:52] | PhoenixUT: | I did attempt to fix the portage ebuild for the -fPIC problem but never actually tracked down all the ffmpeg libraries that can't be built with -fPIC on i386 |
| [05:23:00] | sphery: | borei: also, you probably just want --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA |
| [05:23:32] | tre: | maddslacker, thanks mythrip looks like a good alternative |
| [05:23:34] | borei: | yeah |
| [05:23:42] | maddslacker: | tre, friend of mine wrote it |
| [05:24:23] | Cardoe_: | PhoenixUT: wagnerrp: luux: any other issues with the Gentoo ebuilds? |
| [05:24:25] | sphery: | Cardoe_: kormoc was saying the failure on 32-bit x86 is because users are compiling using a hardened profile and that it works fine if they don't. That doesn't mean much to mean, but hope it means something to you Gentoo'ers. |
| [05:24:50] | Cardoe_: | sphery: mm it does. |
| [05:25:01] | Cardoe_: | sphery: thanks |
| [05:25:11] | sphery: | good... because that was the limit of my memory :) |
| [05:25:29] | PhoenixUT: | last time I remember having the fPIC problem I think I was just using the default desktop profile |
| [05:25:35] | PhoenixUT: | but it's been several months |
| [05:26:08] | Cardoe_: | I want to try to nail this issue down shortly and stabilize the 0.22 series |
| [05:26:44] | PhoenixUT: | I haven't run into any issues with the ebuilds other than the fPIC problem |
| [05:27:49] | PhoenixUT: | I haven't tried recently though, I can try emerging on this machine |
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| [05:30:58] | luux: | how to use VDPAU? |
| [05:32:02] | Cardoe_: | just change the video playback profile |
| [05:32:17] | Cardoe_: | There's 3 pre-defined ones |
| [05:32:23] | luux: | to what? |
| [05:32:42] | Cardoe_: | VDPAU Slim, VDPAU Normal, VDPAU High (I think) |
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| [05:33:16] | luux: | in the mythtv-setup or mythfrontend? |
| [05:33:28] | Cardoe_: | frontend |
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| [05:33:44] | Cardoe_: | Settings->Playback I think |
| [05:33:52] | luux: | k |
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| [05:37:17] | PhoenixUT: | yeah with the portage ebuilds I'm still running into the fPIC issue |
| [05:37:36] | PhoenixUT: | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=core2 -mtune=core2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| [05:37:36] | PhoenixUT: | CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| [05:37:36] | PhoenixUT: | CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" |
| [05:38:53] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe_: no, thats all i can think of, they build on my x64 boxes just fine |
| [05:39:19] | PhoenixUT: | I did notice something though.. is there a reason it builds a profile build by default? ie --compile-type=profile? just to aid in generating backtraces maybe? |
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| [05:41:16] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, Both machines have the same local: en_US.UTF-8. I tried running mythfrontend on another linux box and it does not suffer the same problem. So, there is something unique about my main mythfrontend box. It is running Fedora9 while others are at least Fedora11... |
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| [05:48:58] | Cardoe_: | PhoenixUT: yeah. its to help for getting backtraces since profile doesn't slow anything down |
| [05:49:06] | Cardoe_: | PhoenixUT: since Portage handles stripping |
| [05:49:35] | PhoenixUT: | makes sense |
| [05:50:02] | Cardoe_: | do me a favor and try 0.22_p22860 to see if it works on x86 |
| [05:50:08] | PhoenixUT: | sure |
| [05:52:00] | PhoenixUT: | do I need to grab it from somewhere in particular? not seeing it in my tree yet |
| [05:55:04] | Cardoe_: | http://dpaste.com/122283/ -> mythtv-0.22_p22860.ebuild |
| [05:55:36] | Cardoe_: | http://dpaste.com/122284/ -> files/mythtv-0.22-x86-no-fpic.patch |
| [05:55:47] | Cardoe_: | I just committed it so it should be available soon-ish |
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| [06:02:41] | PhoenixUT: | looks like I got further, but still hung up in compiling libmythdvdnav it looks like |
| [06:02:45] | PhoenixUT: | x86/yuv2rgb_template.c: In function ‘yuva420_rgb32_MMX’: |
| [06:02:45] | PhoenixUT: | x86/yuv2rgb_template.c:476: error: can't find a register in class ‘GENERAL_REGS’ while reloading ‘asm’ |
| [06:02:45] | PhoenixUT: | x86/yuv2rgb_template.c:476: error: ‘asm’ operand has impossible constraints |
| [06:03:30] | PhoenixUT: | fPIC is still passed in on the compile there |
| [06:05:55] | PhoenixUT: | sorry, it's not libdvdnav |
| [06:06:06] | Cardoe_: | can you paste it somewhere? |
| [06:06:13] | PhoenixUT: | distcc's got the log all out of order.. yeah I can |
| [06:08:32] | PhoenixUT: | http://filebin.ca/dogzzs/build.log |
| [06:10:28] | Cardoe_: | Can you try http://dpaste.com/122287/ to replace the patch? |
| [06:11:39] | PhoenixUT: | off it goes |
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| [06:16:19] | PhoenixUT: | looks like that might do it, all of the ffmpeg compiled without issue |
| [06:19:27] | PhoenixUT: | looks like that's fixed it |
| [06:19:31] | Cardoe_: | sweet |
| [06:19:41] | PhoenixUT: | don't have a backend configured on this machine but the frontend is up and running fine |
| [06:20:23] | PhoenixUT: | is this something in portage's qmake stuff that's forcing the -fPIC on? |
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| [06:26:10] | PhoenixUT: | hrmm now if I could only track down this segfault that has been haunting me I'll be a happy camper |
| [06:26:47] | luux: | which aspect ratio is 1080p? |
| [06:26:52] | PhoenixUT: | 16:9 |
| [06:27:03] | iamlindoro: | or 4:3... |
| [06:27:10] | PhoenixUT: | ha ha ha true :) |
| [06:27:10] | luux: | the thing is being displayed on a little box at the center of the screen |
| [06:27:26] | PhoenixUT: | sounds like your source isn't HD |
| [06:27:46] | luux: | ok so how can i make it full screen? my monitor is 2048x1152 |
| [06:27:57] | luux: | err.. it is |
| [06:28:23] | iamlindoro: | sigh... luux, what channel are you watching? |
| [06:28:31] | iamlindoro: | you know there is *no* broadcast 1080p, right? |
| [06:28:32] | iamlindoro: | none |
| [06:28:33] | iamlindoro: | 0 |
| [06:28:33] | luux: | /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [06:28:42] | iamlindoro: | what channel. What television channel. |
| [06:28:53] | iamlindoro: | Not "what is the dev node of your capture device" |
| [06:29:02] | luux: | mm.. I was just zapping |
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| [06:29:20] | iamlindoro: | Erm... what? |
| [06:29:29] | iamlindoro: | You don't "zap" and use myth at the same time |
| [06:29:52] | iamlindoro: | What *television network* are you recording that is allegedly provided to you in HD |
| [06:30:09] | luux: | for the stuff which i've tunned in I get tons of info-commercial channels some missionary ones wlw21 |
| [06:30:28] | iamlindoro: | *none* of that is going to be in HD |
| [06:30:49] | luux: | oh I got it, may be I didn't scan the correct frequencies. |
| [06:31:05] | iamlindoro: | Just because you have a digital tuner device does not mean the channels are provided in HD |
| [06:31:47] | iamlindoro: | You are in the USE, tuning via QAM. that means at *most* you will get network television channels and some random local access and religious programming, and if you are lucky, some other standard definition channels |
| [06:31:51] | iamlindoro: | er USA |
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| [06:32:53] | luux: | uh? you get better stuff in your country or something? |
| [06:33:03] | PhoenixUT: | so are there any Qt guru's here? |
| [06:33:13] | iamlindoro: | Has nothing to do with where I live |
| [06:33:20] | iamlindoro: | has to do with where *you* live |
| [06:33:35] | iamlindoro: | and it sounds like you think you have an "HD tuner"... and there's no such thing |
| [06:33:46] | iamlindoro: | you have a *digital* tuner... which doesn't care what resolution it's at |
| [06:34:01] | luux: | k |
| [06:34:17] | luux: | let me, re-run the scan. |
| [06:34:21] | iamlindoro: | It just takes the digital stream provided by the broadcaster and dumps it to disk-- if you believe that everything coming in that tuner will be HD, you are mistaken-- most of it won't be-- and most of what there is will be encrypted |
| [06:34:26] | iamlindoro: | and rescanning won't do anything |
| [06:34:56] | iamlindoro: | you will still be getting a bunch of low value channels, and at best, NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox in HD |
| [06:35:21] | iamlindoro: | if you were hoping to get what you get from your cable box, you will be disappointed-- you will *only* get the free-to-access, unencrypted channels |
| [06:35:43] | luux: | I knew that. |
| [06:36:13] | iamlindoro: | And mostly SD |
| [06:36:21] | iamlindoro: | and no 1080p whatsoever |
| [06:36:24] | luux: | alright. why so many choices of broadcast? us-cable-irc us-cable-hrc us-cable |
| [06:37:01] | iamlindoro: | because cable companies in the US are held to very loose standards and free to adopt any number of requency tables |
| [06:37:10] | iamlindoro: | s/requency/frequency/ |
| [06:37:13] | luux: | hey, with mythtv 0.21 I did get HD stuff. Oh an even using mplayer dvb:// |
| [06:37:44] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [06:37:58] | iamlindoro: | well back to doing something that is less like punching myself in the face |
| [06:38:13] | PhoenixUT: | you tried at least! |
| [06:38:32] | iamlindoro: | I sure did |
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| [06:41:33] | PhoenixUT: | Cardoe_: so with your updated ebuild I saw it was grabbing a .zip from the svn server. Was that true or am I just imagining things? |
| [06:41:44] | Cardoe_: | its true |
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| [06:42:42] | PhoenixUT: | so it would be possible to use those same ebuilds and just use trunk revisions to follow trunk by just changing the naming of the ebuild? |
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| [06:42:51] | Cardoe_: | yep |
| [06:42:54] | Cardoe_: | that's how I wrote the eclass |
| [06:43:04] | Cardoe_: | rename it to mythtv-0.23_alphaXXXXX |
| [06:43:09] | Cardoe_: | and it'll pull from trunk |
| [06:43:15] | PhoenixUT: | aah excellent |
| [06:43:50] | Cardoe_: | _alpha = trunk, _rc = tags, _p = -fixes |
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| [06:45:12] | PhoenixUT: | I guess i'll have to switch my machines back over to the portage versions rather than continuing with my frankenstein .ebuild :) |
| [06:48:46] | Cardoe_: | there's actually a fairly up to date trunk ebuild for just the core part |
| [06:48:51] | Cardoe_: | I can start putting some in there for plugins |
| [06:50:49] | PhoenixUT: | aah yes I see the _alpha build there now |
| [06:52:24] | Cardoe_: | I bumped it as well |
| [06:52:35] | Cardoe_: | the 22860 one I sent you is now in as _alpha22857 |
| [06:52:39] | Cardoe_: | which is the latest for trunk |
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| [07:20:45] | luux: | wow! I got one 1080p channel!! |
| [07:25:31] | kross_: | sweet! |
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| [07:26:50] | iamlindoro: | no, you don't |
| [07:26:54] | iamlindoro: | you get one 1080i channel |
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| [07:38:52] | defaultro: | evening folks |
| [07:39:40] | kross_: | howdy |
| [07:39:59] | luux: | mm.. does an LCD monitor need some sort of tunning for the DVB output? |
| [07:40:56] | luux: | i stands for interlace I believed and p for .... |
| [07:41:16] | defaultro: | my friend bought a HD PVR 1212 and hooked it to his Win7 and DirectTV. He said he set it to highest. However, he said that recorded HD show looks good but no where as beautiful when he saw it directly. |
| [07:41:50] | defaultro: | from folks who own this capture card, did you notice the same? |
| [07:41:56] | kross_: | don't use s-video cable, use component video |
| [07:42:03] | kross_: | just kidding :P |
| [07:42:09] | defaultro: | LOL |
| [07:42:16] | luux: | uh? |
| [07:42:22] | kross_: | i have the HD-PVR myself, with FIOS |
| [07:42:23] | luux: | this is a PC monitor |
| [07:42:45] | defaultro: | what can you say about the original and recorded? Do they look very similar? |
| [07:42:47] | kross_: | to me it looks damn good |
| [07:42:54] | defaultro: | ok |
| [07:43:06] | luux: | here don't be looking good |
| [07:43:09] | defaultro: | maybe, there is something wrong with the win7's captuting |
| [07:43:18] | defaultro: | capturing |
| [07:43:42] | kross_: | maybe try 1080i instead of 720p (or vice versa0 |
| [07:43:45] | defaultro: | kross, can you send me a 20 sec capture from your hdpvr 1212? I'll watch it from my mythtv box |
| [07:43:55] | defaultro: | he said, it's 1080i output |
| [07:44:40] | luux: | no, iamlindoro said the HD broadcast by studios |
| [07:44:42] | kross_: | i think i can do that, if the file isn't too big. what channel, so you can compare with your own video source? |
| [07:44:53] | luux: | I am tapping the card directly |
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| [07:45:05] | iamlindoro: | luux, neither of these guys is speaking to you |
| [07:45:08] | defaultro: | any channel, I don't have that captured card yet but I will be able to tell if it's good or not |
| [07:45:18] | iamlindoro: | They are having their own conversation, having nothing to do with you |
| [07:45:20] | defaultro: | i've been capturing hd since 2005 |
| [07:45:30] | defaultro: | even 5 to 10 secs is enough |
| [07:45:30] | kross_: | sorry luux |
| [07:45:37] | luux: | ah alright |
| [07:45:41] | defaultro: | sorry luux |
| [07:45:51] | defaultro: | get used to irc :D |
| [07:47:30] | ** defaultro wants a lot of toys next year(dslr, hdpvr1212, basement project) LOL ** | |
| [07:48:01] | defaultro: | are there any competitors now of HDPVR 1212? |
| [07:48:45] | luux: | yes my card is better. |
| [07:49:06] | defaultro: | what isyour card? |
| [07:49:09] | iamlindoro: | No. It's not. |
| [07:49:11] | iamlindoro: | FFS |
| [07:49:26] | defaultro: | what is it iamlindoro? |
| [07:49:37] | luux: | pinnacle i800 |
| [07:49:40] | iamlindoro: | He's using a QAM card... so not only not better, but not even the same purpose |
| [07:49:41] | defaultro: | oh |
| [07:49:51] | defaultro: | yeah, totally different |
| [07:49:53] | kross_: | i have one of those, too :) |
| [07:50:10] | defaultro: | kross, where you able to create some short recordings? |
| [07:50:17] | defaultro: | any 1080i will do |
| [07:50:26] | kross_: | not yet, doing something else at the moment |
| [07:50:34] | kross_: | i will in a few minutes |
| [07:52:12] | defaultro: | thanks :) |
| [07:52:21] | defaultro: | hopefully next year, price of it will go down |
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| [07:56:37] | luux: | I got 2TB formatted with btrfs |
| [07:56:53] | luux: | can I dump everything in there? |
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| [07:58:30] | kross_: | defaultro: http://download.statuspro.tv/2746_20091118235324.mpg |
| [07:58:47] | kross_: | some movie on HDNet |
| [07:59:10] | defaultro: | awesome |
| [07:59:23] | defaultro: | thanks for spending the time |
| [07:59:38] | defaultro: | 49m :) |
| [08:00:16] | defaultro: | I'm so jealous |
| [08:00:38] | kross_: | nice thing about FIOS, lots of bandwidth :) |
| [08:00:47] | defaultro: | ok |
| [08:01:02] | defaultro: | i read an article that the HD in FIOS isn't that good. Do you believe that? |
| [08:01:10] | luux: | can you hook up FIOS tv with mythtv? |
| [08:01:18] | defaultro: | Oh, I was wrong. I meant U-verse |
| [08:01:36] | defaultro: | I hate our area, only Comcast |
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| [08:04:48] | kross_: | i had dish network before fios, the PQ on fios is much better |
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| [08:05:35] | kross_: | this may sound weird, but the PQ was most improved on SD channels. on dish, they were hardly watchable on a big (42") tv. with fios, even the SD channels look pretty decent |
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| [08:06:54] | defaultro: | nice |
| [08:07:02] | defaultro: | my friend in NJ is on FIOS |
| [08:07:11] | defaultro: | how much is your monthly/ |
| [08:07:13] | defaultro: | ? |
| [08:07:46] | kross_: | somewhere around $100/month including internet |
| [08:07:53] | defaultro: | wow, not too bad |
| [08:08:01] | defaultro: | that's a good deal |
| [08:08:26] | defaultro: | i'm not sure what we're going to do so other competitors can come in. Last I heard is that the village had a contract with Comcrap |
| [08:08:43] | kross_: | sorry to hear that :( |
| [08:09:15] | defaultro: | i know. If let say, they just started 2006 since it's a new community, we have 7 more years to wait, ARGH! :( |
| [08:09:38] | kross_: | were you ableto watch that clip? |
| [08:09:49] | defaultro: | still downloading |
| [08:09:56] | kross_: | oh |
| [08:09:57] | defaultro: | download complete |
| [08:10:02] | defaultro: | just 3 secs ago :) |
| [08:10:16] | defaultro: | Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc |
| [08:10:17] | defaultro: | nice |
| [08:10:29] | defaultro: | let me sql insert it to videometadata table |
| [08:10:43] | kross_: | jsut run mythavtest <filename> to play it |
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| [08:11:27] | justinh: | seen as it seems safe to come in again... |
| [08:11:39] | defaultro: | oh, didn't know that |
| [08:11:44] | defaultro: | it's inserted :) |
| [08:11:50] | defaultro: | brb, I'll have to go down to the basement |
| [08:12:04] | defaultro: | it's going to be displayed at 120" wide :D |
| [08:12:25] | kross_: | hmm, now i'm jealous |
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| [08:12:43] | justinh: | hmm. I said safe to come in again & then someone said inserted..... 120" wide |
| [08:13:28] | PhoenixUT: | maybe not so safe afterall |
| [08:15:38] | kross_: | btw defaultro, don't try to play the file with mplayer, it won't play back properly |
| [08:15:52] | kross_: | use myth internal player |
| [08:16:14] | defaultro: | i'm back, it plays well with my mplayer |
| [08:16:24] | defaultro: | but need to check something |
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| [08:17:50] | kross_: | my mplayer never could handle interlaced output from the HD-PVR. progressive content is fine |
| [08:18:11] | kross_: | it plays back at like half framerate, causing audio to become badly out of sync with video |
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| [08:18:45] | kross_: | but mythavtest plays it back just fine |
| [08:19:03] | defaultro: | i'll try that too |
| [08:29:54] | kross_: | so what's the verdict defaultro? |
| [08:31:15] | defaultro: | I like the quality :) |
| [08:31:33] | defaultro: | that file is cpu hog :) |
| [08:31:49] | kross_: | using VDPAU? |
| [08:31:56] | defaultro: | no, my machine is old |
| [08:32:05] | defaultro: | doesn't have vdpau support |
| [08:32:19] | kross_: | yeah, 1080i h.264 is pretty cpu intensive |
| [08:32:21] | defaultro: | i'm building a new machine |
| [08:32:31] | defaultro: | what is the settting you used? |
| [08:32:42] | kross_: | highest VBR |
| [08:32:46] | defaultro: | nice |
| [08:33:03] | defaultro: | i had to -vf crop it |
| [08:33:17] | defaultro: | since I'm using an unusual xorg conf |
| [08:33:20] | defaultro: | but yeah, it's nice |
| [08:33:51] | kross_: | compare favorably to directtv direct hookup? |
| [08:33:53] | defaultro: | so how does myth change the channel on your box? |
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| [08:34:16] | defaultro: | I haven't seen the recording from my friend. I'll ask him to cut at least 10 seconds from his recording |
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| [08:34:19] | kross_: | over firewire, using the 6200ch channel changing program |
| [08:34:37] | kross_: | ok enjoy, i'm off to bed |
| [08:34:43] | defaultro: | cool, I know that code. |
| [08:34:45] | defaultro: | cool |
| [08:34:46] | defaultro: | thanks buddy |
| [08:34:59] | kross_: | np |
| [08:35:01] | kross_: | see ya |
| [08:35:08] | defaultro: | k |
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| [09:01:45] | flexxxv: | hello, may somone knows this Problem: |
| [09:02:19] | flexxxv: | teletext is too small (screen resolution does not fix that) in 0.22 |
| [09:02:40] | justinh: | wrong or missing font? |
| [09:02:55] | justinh: | and do you mean VBI teletext – the lame blocky graphics sort? |
| [09:05:20] | ** justinh watches a tumbleweed roll by ** | |
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| [09:08:04] | flexxxv: | I mean pal teletext ando i already changed the font.. no result |
| [09:08:38] | flexxxv: | do i miss the font size setting? |
| [09:08:46] | justinh: | oh well. nevermind. teletext is a dying format. Long live MHEG :) |
| [09:09:25] | flexxxv: | this is not helping me ;( |
| [09:09:51] | flexxxv: | in 0.21 it worked |
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| [09:17:13] | justinh: | did you also upgrade distro? |
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| [09:25:49] | justinh: | IIRC teletext would use the same font as CC – that needs to be a monospaced font |
| [09:25:59] | justinh: | the default is 'freemono' so make sure you have that installed |
| [09:27:15] | justinh: | good job analogue is dying. I hate teletext |
| [09:29:15] | justinh: | anyway, you're being very light on information you provide so I doubt anybody can help you further |
| [09:29:42] | justinh: | like, is the rest of the OSD okay? etc etc |
| [09:30:05] | justinh: | are graphics in the teletext too small too or is it just the text? |
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| [09:31:42] | justinh: | HAhahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/408942 |
| [09:32:31] | justinh: | "Why". I love that. Wanna reply with "BECAUSE HE CAN CAN CAN" |
| [09:44:00] | laga_: | TBH, shoulda put the reason in the commit ;) |
| [09:44:15] | laga_: | of course, anyone following -dev knows why |
| [09:45:07] | justinh: | put it in the bin next to teletext |
| [09:45:28] | laga_: | teletext is still useful here |
| [09:45:42] | justinh: | while you still have analogue, sure |
| [09:45:48] | laga_: | even with DVB |
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| [09:46:01] | laga_: | we don't have MHEG/MHP AFAIK |
| [09:46:09] | justinh: | eew |
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| [09:48:18] | justinh: | teletext *was* the best thing about TV in the 1970s though |
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| [09:52:24] | justinh: | another thing you don't mention flexxxv is whether the teletext appears on all of the screen of just a small part of it. might be a code bug, might be a font problem. You don't say much |
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| [10:05:17] | flexxxv: | i know it has to be monospaced and the font ist installed |
| [10:05:41] | flexxxv: | just using the defaul install from ubuntu packages (9.10) |
| [10:07:09] | flexxxv: | it is not just one side too smaal it is all to small |
| [10:07:32] | justinh: | so graphics too? |
| [10:07:50] | flexxxv: | what grafics? |
| [10:07:56] | flexxxv: | in teletext? |
| [10:08:05] | flexxxv: | all the same size |
| [10:08:15] | flexxxv: | all other osd is working |
| [10:08:26] | justinh: | so the teletext graphics are too small like the text |
| [10:08:33] | flexxxv: | yes |
| [10:08:44] | justinh: | so that means it's probably not a font problem |
| [10:08:52] | flexxxv: | is think so |
| [10:09:03] | ** laga_ goes to test it. ** | |
| [10:09:11] | flexxxv: | (also changed to another font i got from web (it is made for this)) |
| [10:09:27] | justinh: | are you using vdpau for video rendering? |
| [10:09:50] | laga_: | yeah. |
| [10:09:53] | laga_: | toosmall. |
| [10:10:15] | laga_: | it's rendered at approximately PAL res in the left upper corner |
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| [10:10:17] | flexxxv: | dont know (cant check know because not at home) |
| [10:10:36] | flexxxv: | changing screen resulution doesn't fix |
| [10:10:45] | justinh: | you'd know if you were using VDPAU. Jees |
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| [10:11:22] | flexxxv: | i played around with different viedeo renders and just forgot which i use |
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| [10:12:23] | flexxxv: | laga_: could you just check if the changing the video render fixes the problem? |
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| [10:13:02] | flexxxv: | at least i'm shure that it is no question of screen resolution |
| [10:13:05] | laga_: | nope, i gotta run to uni now :) sorry |
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| [10:14:09] | flexxxv: | ok |
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| [10:15:26] | flexxxv: | i'll try to change @ home |
| [10:15:43] | flexxxv: | or some her who can check this? |
| [10:17:09] | laga_: | not sure we have many females who use teletext |
| [10:17:13] | laga_: | anyways, bye :) |
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| [10:21:59] | flexxxv: | why females? |
| [10:22:11] | flexxxv: | do i miss somethin? |
| [10:23:08] | justinh: | 10:15 < flexxxv> or some her who can check this? |
| [10:23:35] | flexxxv: | i mean here |
| [10:23:40] | flexxxv: | aarrgggh |
| [10:23:58] | flexxxv: | or someone here to check this :P |
| [10:24:12] | justinh: | laga just checked for you |
| [10:24:20] | justinh: | he said it's the same on his system |
| [10:24:27] | justinh: | so it's probably a code bug |
| [10:24:44] | flexxxv: | but not with different viedeo renderings |
| [10:24:59] | flexxxv: | i'll fill out a bug report |
| [10:25:09] | justinh: | whatever video renderer you're using it'd still be abug |
| [10:25:21] | flexxxv: | yeah |
| [10:25:31] | flexxxv: | need to get to class |
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| [10:35:24] | beatbreaker: | hey question: does MythTV work with OSS? |
| [10:39:12] | oobe: | beatbreaker, yea but a lot of packages are built without oss support since its old |
| [10:39:27] | oobe: | but you can build your own dont ask me what the build deps are |
| [10:40:05] | beatbreaker: | OSS is old? |
| [10:40:12] | justinh: | ancient |
| [10:40:31] | beatbreaker: | humm, i better go back to ALSA then |
| [10:40:34] | justinh: | if you mean OSS4 I think you can use alsa emulation |
| [10:40:47] | beatbreaker: | I've been having some big problems with it recently and didn't want to go back |
| [10:41:11] | beatbreaker: | yeah i'm trying to get the emulation working but it's been a little tricky, i'm not on Ubuntu |
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| [10:50:13] | ExElNeT: | hi. is it possible to select all radio channels with sql? is there a flag or something stored? |
| [10:54:56] | ExElNeT: | and... is it possible to transfer all channels from one system to anothter system? which tables are needed? |
| [10:57:21] | justinh: | don't even go there |
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| [10:58:49] | ExElNeT: | justinh: i will since i have two systems but i dont wanna do all changes always on both systems. |
| [10:59:11] | justinh: | boo hoo |
| [10:59:25] | justinh: | nobody here recommends manual database mangling |
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| [10:59:50] | justinh: | and in the case of digital channels, your chances of screwing up are great |
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| [11:01:57] | antgel: | i might do some manual mangling to try and get my ITV HD working :D |
| [11:02:34] | ExElNeT: | justinh: well they are digital. i need channel and channelscan_dtv_multiplex ... i wonder if i need more than that... |
| [11:02:54] | ExElNeT: | a diagram would be cool :=) |
| [11:03:02] | justinh: | you need your head examined |
| [11:03:36] | justinh: | there's good reason nobody here advocates dicking about with tables yourself |
| [11:04:51] | ExElNeT: | justinh: well its just a database and a quite small one. so its not a big deal. you just need to understand the schema. and ... there are backups! :=) |
| [11:05:09] | justinh: | but still |
| [11:05:21] | justinh: | plenty of people still manage to f*** things up beyond repair |
| [11:05:26] | justinh: | and then then come crying to us |
| [11:05:43] | justinh: | and when we smack them for being stupid they cry some more |
| [11:06:06] | ExElNeT: | well like i said... there a backups :=) |
| [11:06:26] | justinh: | there's no relationship diagram for the database |
| [11:06:34] | justinh: | you have to work it out yourself |
| [11:08:12] | justinh: | if it's a new box why not just clone it? |
| [11:09:12] | ExElNeT: | doh... hmm there might be some tools for this... but they might go wrong... it's not a new one. I have one, my girlfriend has one. My channels are sorted out quite well, hers are not. She is complaining and im not... :=) |
| [11:09:56] | justinh: | AFAIK it's just channel, dtv_multiplex & videosource |
| [11:10:02] | justinh: | but it's your funeral |
| [11:10:37] | antgel: | not to be dramatic or anything :) |
| [11:10:57] | justinh: | antgel: shut up |
| [11:11:23] | justinh: | how hard can it be to tune ITV HD & you've still not managed it |
| [11:12:10] | justinh: | I still reckon it's not even worth the effort. for like one show a day or whatever it is |
| [11:12:48] | ExElNeT: | justinh: i might also create a query which adds just one channel on the given transponder, frequency and so on... :=) |
| [11:12:56] | ExElNeT: | hehe |
| [11:14:15] | justinh: | come Dec 2nd I could ban ITV in my house altogether |
| [11:14:24] | justinh: | say the switchover did it |
| [11:16:15] | antgel: | justinh: sadly, it's not for me. it's for my parents. and the sooner the mythbox is 100% sorted, the sooner i can move towards getting my life back \o/ |
| [11:16:41] | justinh: | so that's Emmerdale & The Bill in HD then |
| [11:17:38] | justinh: | they could just get a freesat DVR. Then all they have to do to watch ITV HD is press RED while watching ITV & repeat at the end of every ad break |
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| [11:29:38] | antgel: | well, the idea is that mythv *is* their freesat DVR. anyway if i'm so thick, why didn't http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7546 get closed? |
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| [11:31:06] | justinh: | maybe nobody cares about ITV HD :) |
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| [11:47:52] | Dibblah: | That ticket is not closed because I can't be bothered reconnecting my sat setup and replicating the issue. |
| [11:48:19] | Dibblah: | And it seems unlikely that anyone else is going to do it. So... Get debugging the issue. |
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| [12:01:33] | antgel: | Dibblah: well, i'm not sure how else to debug it apart from "try and scan for it". i've brought it up here and nobody had the bandwidth to assist much. i haven't yet tried the UPDATE channel SET mplexid=21 WHERE chanid = 101005;, but even if that is the problem, i don't know why it wasn't done by the scanner. if anyone can assist my debugging efforts, i've got the hardware here ready to go |
| [12:02:29] | Dibblah: | antgel: I'm assuming this is DVB-s freeview – freesat? |
| [12:03:04] | antgel: | Dibblah: yes, DVB-S freesat |
| [12:10:44] | Dibblah: | ... And you checked on the mailing list? |
| [12:10:48] | Dibblah: | "I think you will find that you need to be set for TV+RADIO or ALL in "desired services". |
| [12:10:48] | Dibblah: | Try a "Scan of single existing transport" on 11426000 Hz with "desired services" set to all. " |
| [12:11:27] | Dibblah: | And... |
| [12:11:38] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21572 was only applied to trunk, NOT fixes. |
| [12:15:03] | antgel: | Dibblah: yes to ML. tried the scans as mentioned (as per my bug report). interesting comment regarding the patch, but i just checked and it *is* in my mpegstreamdata.cpp (yes i'm running 0.22-fixes) |
| [12:17:49] | Dibblah: | Ah. 0.21-fixes, apparently, that comment was referring to. |
| [12:18:07] | antgel: | *nod* |
| [12:19:42] | antgel: | also just noticed in my sql paste: it's known that ITV HD is channel number 10510. but my channel table has it with chanid 101005. is chanid not the same as the channel number, or is something just very broken |
| [12:20:11] | justinh: | chanid is just a number |
| [12:20:31] | antgel: | also, does anyone know if it's worth working on this outside ITV HD broadcast hours, or if there will be no stream at all for the DVB-S card to lock on to. a testcard or something would be nice |
| [12:20:53] | justinh: | the stream (PID etc) is inactive when it's off air |
| [12:21:17] | jduggan: | antgel: just give up |
| [12:21:18] | jduggan: | :D |
| [12:21:34] | jduggan: | i havent bothered trying to get HD |
| [12:21:37] | jduggan: | i tried for like 10minutes |
| [12:21:42] | jduggan: | and realised it wasnt worth the effort |
| [12:21:56] | jduggan: | i dont watch The Bill... and i like to watch sport live |
| [12:22:02] | jduggan: | so theres nothing else of worth recording :D |
| [12:22:09] | justinh: | there's literally only a couple of hours (tops) broadcast on ITV HD daily |
| [12:22:29] | antgel: | jduggan: NEVER :) it should work, so i want it to work. i've invested a lot of blood, sweat and tears in this freesat setup, and i'll get it working or... not |
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| [12:22:46] | antgel: | yes yes, #itvhd-is-crap is ---> |
| [12:23:03] | jduggan: | antgel: ok, well as justinh said, youre going to go nowhere fast if you try setting it up with nothing being broadcast :D |
| [12:23:28] | antgel: | jduggan: i wasn't, just chatting about it. should really be working but somehow got sidetracked in here |
| [12:23:31] | justinh: | AFAIK they don't even have a placeholder for it when it's off-air |
| [12:23:56] | antgel: | all my attempted setup has been during THOSE ALL TOO SHORT broadcasting hours |
| [12:23:57] | jduggan: | IIRC they're going to change it to a regular channel |
| [12:24:04] | jduggan: | so thatll make it easier :) |
| [12:24:12] | antgel: | *perk* |
| [12:24:20] | justinh: | IIRC hell will freeze over one day |
| [12:24:28] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [12:24:52] | justinh: | IIRC a lot of FTV channels on Astra will move to FTA eventually |
| [12:25:58] | jduggan: | id love to see FX FTA, but i can't see that happening :) |
| [12:26:25] | justinh: | they weren't even 16:9 last time we got that channel |
| [12:26:57] | justinh: | so all the wide stuff was letterboxed & myth would show it pillarboxed. net result.. a teeny rectangle in the middle of the screen |
| [12:27:19] | justinh: | yeah you could zoom in but god that looked gash |
| [12:34:21] | jduggan: | heh @ gash |
| [12:34:52] | justinh: | hmmm. still looking for a job in the PROPER north of England. Not much doing |
| [12:35:37] | justinh: | decided 11 years is long enough to have lived in Mancyland |
| [12:37:07] | Dibblah: | You could try Scotland – But then you said you wanted a job. And that's just Not Going To Happen. |
| [12:37:30] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:40:35] | jduggan: | heh |
| [12:40:53] | jduggan: | justinh: come darn sarf |
| [12:40:55] | justinh: | no point even considering daahn sarf |
| [12:41:14] | justinh: | my house is only worth £120k so I stand no chance |
| [12:42:13] | justinh: | sigh. stuck in manchester & our kids are gonna grow up talking with a stupid accent |
| [12:42:24] | Dibblah: | Move to Glasgow, then! |
| [12:42:27] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait. |
| [12:42:27] | jduggan: | like gary barlow |
| [12:42:29] | jduggan: | lolol |
| [12:42:42] | justinh: | hopefully not as stupid as that |
| [12:42:52] | jduggan: | :) |
| [12:42:57] | justinh: | thinking about it though.. is it really any worse than geordie? Hmmm |
| [12:43:08] | jduggan: | yes |
| [12:43:12] | jduggan: | geordie is cool |
| [12:43:21] | jduggan: | manc is almost brum |
| [12:43:22] | jduggan: | :) |
| [12:43:35] | justinh: | you think. I think the likes of jimmy nail, cheryl cole, Ant OR Dec just sound thick |
| [12:43:48] | jduggan: | nah, they sound 'bouncy' |
| [12:43:49] | jduggan: | :P |
| [12:43:51] | jduggan: | fun |
| [12:44:19] | justinh: | heh you might be right there. to put on a mancs accent you have to become depressed |
| [12:44:35] | justinh: | well, frown at least |
| [12:44:49] | jduggan: | i think im going to geordie land in march |
| [12:45:12] | justinh: | I don't get back there often enough |
| [12:45:25] | justinh: | maybe if I did I wouldn't hate this place so much |
| [12:45:41] | jduggan: | someone somewhere heard it was full of loose women, so they thought it would be fun to arrange a night out up there |
| [12:46:10] | justinh: | any provincial town/city is full of loose women at the weekend. if they're drunk |
| [12:46:16] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:46:22] | justinh: | no more, no less than anywhere else I've been |
| [12:46:29] | justinh: | well apart from one place... |
| [12:46:47] | jduggan: | prague? :D |
| [12:46:57] | justinh: | starts with the letter 'M' |
| [12:46:59] | justinh: | :) |
| [12:47:06] | jduggan: | haha |
| [12:47:39] | ** Dibblah wonders why someone would want a loose woman. ** | |
| [12:47:55] | jduggan: | shrug |
| [12:47:56] | justinh: | welly top? |
| [12:48:22] | justinh: | or one of the hags from that ITV daytime chatshow? ;-) |
| [12:48:25] | jduggan: | im in a probably too long term relationship with two kids, id just be going for a night out :) |
| [12:48:41] | Dibblah: | http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/new/q . . . ve-small.jpg |
| [12:48:45] | justinh: | even if you're not single there's still the thrill of the chase |
| [12:48:53] | jduggan: | true |
| [12:48:54] | ** Dibblah wonders if he's just too perverted. ** | |
| [12:49:00] | justinh: | you don't have to *act* on anything |
| [12:49:24] | justinh: | from my DJing days, it took me ages to realise that half the time just knowing you could would've done |
| [12:49:29] | Dibblah: | (Image is SFW, unless you have a really twisted imagination) |
| [12:49:36] | justinh: | infact half the time it'd have been better lol |
| [12:51:30] | justinh: | looking at it pragmatically though. Could be worse. I mean I don't live in Wolverhampton |
| [12:51:35] | justinh: | :) |
| [12:53:33] | justinh: | Dibblah: btw newcastle drinkies-wise I don't recommend the Bigg Market. Quayside is a shade more classy – on the surface at least ;-) |
| [12:55:04] | justinh: | arghhh damn myth's xml parser which can't get by nested commented sections |
| [12:56:19] | justinh: | nothing else for it. I'll have to rip out the watermarks myself |
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| [13:10:36] | justinh: | muhahaha. bye bye lame look like drawn by a 5-year old icons |
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| [13:27:43] | ivor: | 8-year old look now? |
| [13:28:01] | Dibblah: | justinh: Which theme? |
| [13:29:22] | luux: | saddly, all of them |
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| [13:29:45] | justinh: | Dibblah: concept, which is based on glass-wide (but not) |
| [13:30:09] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [13:30:19] | justinh: | luux: oh, and your themes are probably so much more pro. Except we've never seen yours |
| [13:30:23] | Dibblah: | luux: If you're going to complain, try to fix it. |
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| [13:31:01] | justinh: | loads of linux project icons look like arse, so borrowing from KDElook.org isn't gonna help either :) |
| [13:32:37] | luux: | i'll try my best |
| [13:32:59] | justinh: | myers |
| [13:33:08] | justinh: | like nobody else ever has |
| [13:36:57] | ** justinh would mark themes down for using images of film cans, videotapes, vinyl records, film cameras... ** | |
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| [13:37:25] | itguru: | Hey everyone – I have a nooB question here – I've looked at some dvb-s cards, and most have two inputs for sat.tv – does this mean that most cards can receive two inputs? I have four feeds, and I want to be able to use all of them – so do I by two cards, or four? |
| [13:38:41] | justinh: | WTF? |
| [13:38:59] | justinh: | seen ONE instance of a DVB-S card having two coax inputs before |
| [13:39:06] | mzb: | sure that's not an input and a passthru? |
| [13:39:09] | justinh: | and they weren't independent |
| [13:39:28] | mzb: | check for Linux-compatibility first and work from there |
| [13:39:32] | justinh: | unless the tuner card says DUAL (or more) TUNER, it's only SINGLE tuner |
| [13:40:12] | justinh: | FWIW putting passthru on DVB-S cards is utterlyu retarded. You can't just chain dvb-s connections together |
| [13:40:29] | justinh: | but do it, some manufacturers do |
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| [13:43:22] | Dibblah: | You can, in very limited scenarios. |
| [13:44:39] | justinh: | yeah but you just *know* some chump is gonna loop 2 cards together ;-) |
| [13:45:46] | mzb: | I've tried modifying LCDProcClient::startChannel to add setPriority("Time", HIGH); ... which kind of works as intended ... in that the time and channel info alternate, however the time is not updated ... what can I do to fix? |
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| [13:47:00] | justinh: | ruh-roh. The end of FM radio has been officially announced |
| [13:47:43] | jduggan: | heh |
| [13:48:08] | mzb: | should I just be adding "isTimeVisible = true;" or is there more magic involved? |
| [13:48:37] | justinh: | commercial operators are moaning cos they've not been about to make it (DAB) pay. Aww. Beyond them that their content is why advertisers are shying away |
| [13:51:37] | mzb: | ah, more magic |
| [13:52:09] | antgel: | i can't be arsed to care much anyway, not as if it's good here compared to e.g. the USA. very poor "selection" |
| [13:52:52] | justinh: | there's FA selection on USA radio |
| [13:53:06] | justinh: | the band is crammed with same-sounding stations |
| [13:53:16] | justinh: | of about 4 different types |
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| [14:10:09] | antgel: | yeah but at least one of those types rocks. here it's mostly dido / britney / robbie |
| [14:10:46] | justinh: | arrrr and beeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| [14:10:58] | justinh: | yeah. yeah. yeah yeah yeah yeah. aha. yeah |
| [14:11:13] | wagnerrp: | seriously, who would intentionally call themselves 'dildo' |
| [14:11:17] | ** justinh curses Autotune ** | |
| [14:11:36] | justinh: | would rather hear Dido all day than Shakira FWIW |
| [14:11:55] | wagnerrp: | those before/after clips on autotune are amazing |
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| [14:12:27] | justinh: | I watched a vid about autotune the other day – was originally developed for processing sonar or something (!) |
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| [14:13:29] | wagnerrp: | some sort of doppler compensator when trying to match up a signature? |
| [14:13:40] | justinh: | something like that |
| [14:14:14] | justinh: | autotunethenews ftw btw |
| [14:15:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats one of the things i saw |
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| [14:16:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like it was just based around some seismic software for ground sonar |
| [14:16:48] | mzb: | brain fade beats magic after 1am ... will revisit |
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| [14:21:30] | wagnerrp: | why must people use compound large numbers |
| [14:21:59] | wagnerrp: | like '300 trillion trillion trillion' |
| [14:22:34] | wagnerrp: | i mean seriously... just use 3E38 |
| [14:22:42] | justinh: | 300 bazillion |
| [14:22:46] | justinh: | I just made that up |
| [14:23:05] | wagnerrp: | the people who dont understand that arent going to comprehend 'million trillion brazillian' anyway |
| [14:23:22] | wagnerrp: | so whats the point |
| [14:23:43] | justinh: | "US debt is a LOT" :) |
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| [14:25:33] | wagnerrp: | ugh... ping just went through the roof |
| [14:25:54] | wagnerrp: | and its stable too... 515ms +- 2ms |
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| [14:49:00] | justinh: | WTH. Jamu problem with Wipeout TV series. Somebody is *keeping* that junk?! |
| [14:54:22] | justinh: | the only thing on telly worse than Hole In The Wall :D |
| [14:54:29] | justinh: | and Dragon's Den |
| [14:54:43] | justinh: | and XFactor |
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| [14:57:49] | GreyFoxx: | I like hole in the wall, though I use to watch the original japanese version |
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| [14:57:57] | GreyFoxx: | my daughters loves it :) |
| [14:58:30] | justinh: | you've not seen the UK version & who they had presenting it |
| [14:58:30] | GreyFoxx: | Wipeout is fun. Watvching the people get beatup by the course :) |
| [14:58:33] | GreyFoxx: | true :) |
| [14:58:46] | GreyFoxx: | I've only seen the AU and US wipeouts as well |
| [14:58:56] | justinh: | Dale Winton was bad enough. now there's some no-mark bloke |
| [14:59:26] | justinh: | my wife watches it without fail. I need myth to start failing to record |
| [14:59:33] | justinh: | :) |
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| [15:12:38] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: you may watch it occasionally, but do you enjoy it enough to store it permanently in mythvideo, and run jamu on it? |
| [15:14:10] | justinh: | it'd be like archiving America's Dumbest Criminals or something :D |
| [15:14:34] | RDV_Linux_: | To set the record straight that guy has only scheduled the show Wipeout he is not to my knowledge saving the recorded show. He is trying to use the jamu option -MW which gets graphics for the Watch Recording screen. |
| [15:15:21] | justinh: | somebody bothered to make fanart? heh |
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| [15:16:43] | justinh: | hahaha apparently not |
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| [15:16:48] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: No, those are not the sort of shows I archive :) |
| [15:16:49] | justinh: | http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=84352&lid=7 |
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| [15:22:48] | justinh: | heh.. PM GB has commented that 'Jedward' are 'good at *some* things'. Yeah. Like being c***s |
| [15:24:38] | wagnerrp: | so is this just Takashi's Castle, in british? |
| [15:25:11] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [15:25:31] | antgel: | the real c***s are the public for lapping that s**t up as "entertainment" |
| [15:25:39] | antgel: | now where's my ITV HD ;) |
| [15:26:06] | justinh: | Takeshi's Castle had a UK show? LOL |
| [15:26:18] | wagnerrp: | Wipeout |
| [15:27:00] | justinh: | I've never seen TC so dunno how they compare |
| [15:27:26] | justinh: | not a patch on the Vortex thing The Adventure Game had |
| [15:27:44] | justinh: | where losers literally got teleported into the bowels of space |
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| [15:29:45] | justinh: | I mean.. this looks way more risky than some big swimming pool http://www.lets-go-retro.com/images/the_adven . . . e_vortex.jpg |
| [15:30:48] | iamlindoro: | Is that the TV version of this? http://www.videogamecritic.net/images/2600/adventure_plus.png |
| [15:30:50] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [15:31:13] | iamlindoro: | http://www.splotchy.com/sounds/a2600/adventure.png |
| [15:31:16] | iamlindoro: | bwoop bwooooo |
| [15:32:08] | itguru: | Hey everyone – I have a nooB question here – I've looked at some dvb-s cards, and most have two inputs for sat.tv – does this mean that most cards can receive two inputs? I have four feeds, and I want to be able to use all of them – so do I by two cards, or four? |
| [15:32:16] | itguru: | Or are they passthrus? |
| [15:32:39] | antgel: | is this groundhog day? |
| [15:32:56] | iamlindoro: | itguru, What was wrong with the answers you got the first time? |
| [15:33:07] | justinh: | and wtf is it about people with ' |
| [15:33:20] | justinh: | 'guru' in their nick? they never pay any attention |
| [15:33:28] | justinh: | likewise, 'expert' |
| [15:33:31] | itguru: | iamlindoro, I cleared the txt on this window by accident — and enough with the guru jokes :) |
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| [15:33:39] | justinh: | as for *Neo* ... |
| [15:33:44] | itguru: | LOL! |
| [15:33:50] | iamlindoro: | itguru, Then you should read the logs |
| [15:33:58] | itguru: | Okay, I get it – do you know how *hard* it is to answer a question?!? |
| [15:34:13] | iamlindoro: | Much harder the second time |
| [15:34:13] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
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| [15:34:16] | justinh: | itguru: unless the tuner specs say it's a dual (or more) tuner it'll just be a single tuner |
| [15:34:17] | itguru: | I mean to *ask* a question? |
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| [15:34:24] | itguru: | Everyone is like – but your a guru! |
| [15:34:35] | antgel: | *cringe* |
| [15:34:36] | iamlindoro: | asking a question is easy-- after all, you did it twice |
| [15:34:37] | justinh: | itguru: and you can't just passthru dvb-s cables |
| [15:35:30] | itguru: | justinh, which is what I thought... hmm... |
| [15:37:02] | ** itguru feels like not smart enough ** | |
| [15:37:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: they never made a 2600 console game of it |
| [15:37:39] | iamlindoro: | justinh, was only meant to be a joke |
| [15:38:02] | justinh: | I don't remember the graphics of that console being so horrendous though :) |
| [15:38:21] | justinh: | next best thing to using your imagination. ahh those were the days |
| [15:39:06] | justinh: | eew. just had a look in the default theme dir. what a bunch of rag-tag images |
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| [15:39:17] | wagnerrp: | not much you can do with just handful of KB |
| [15:40:20] | justinh: | ooo look it's mid-afternoon again |
| [15:40:47] | iamlindoro: | I wish |
| [15:41:00] | iamlindoro: | I have to head into the maw of the beast now :( |
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| [16:47:38] | maddslacker: | has anyone here gotten mythweb to work on Slackware 13 and mythtv 0.22? I get the following when I try to connect: |
| [16:47:39] | maddslacker: | require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php |
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| [17:03:01] | antgel: | am trying ron frazier's mythimon.pl LCD server. reports Error: myth frontend network control port does not appear to be enabled at MythMonitor.pm line 299. but before i go diving in, does anyone know how well this software is meant to work? |
| [17:03:15] | antgel: | NB yes, it *is* enabled |
| [17:05:04] | clever: | netstat -anl|grep 6546 |
| [17:05:18] | clever: | what does it output? |
| [17:05:33] | antgel: | clever: LISTEN. lsof -i:6546 is good as well |
| [17:06:00] | clever: | maybe the script is trying the wrong port |
| [17:06:06] | brad2: | hey guys, i bought a bunch of unprotected .m4a music files from itunes. is it possible to play those in mythmusic? |
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| [17:09:48] | antgel: | clever: it works for a while, it outputs "FIRST COMMAND RECEIVED FROM MYTHLCDSERVER". weird |
| [17:11:06] | antgel: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1677977 <-- that's the script i'm using to start it up |
| [17:11:38] | brad2: | nevermind, figured it out :) |
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| [17:19:17] | antgel: | it's trying to connect to the right port – see http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1677988 |
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| [17:24:20] | antgel: | any way i can debug this from the myth side? |
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| [17:26:14] | peoples: | hey guys |
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| [17:27:48] | peoples: | some ideas ? on my mythtv 0.22 svn: 22859 the shortcut to switch between input (Y) is not workiny anymore ? broken in 0.22 ? |
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| [17:35:39] | antgel: | ah. i *think* it's connecting once to port 6546, then the second connect fails. i wonder if it doesn't close the first connect properly. anyway i'm getting distracted from work |
| [17:35:43] | antgel: | grr |
| [17:36:56] | antgel: | -v network – just one go ;) |
| [17:38:17] | ** antgel gives up ** | |
| [17:41:28] | iamlindoro: | antgel: .22 already contains full support for the imon, why are you trying to use an external program? |
| [17:41:44] | iamlindoro: | icons included, in a much, much cleaner way |
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| [17:42:45] | antgel: | iamlindoro: i was under the impression that full imon LCD (not VFD) support was better with ron frazier's mythimon.pl as opposed to mythlcdserver. is that information out of date? :-O |
| [17:42:53] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [17:42:58] | yfaykya: | Latest trunk with patch from 7616 – ~8 secs for playback (MV)- http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1678012 (-v playback). Where should I be looking here? |
| [17:43:15] | maddslacker: | I've progressed to a new error in mythweb, but it's only slightly more enlightening: |
| [17:43:16] | maddslacker: | http://pastebin.com/d3c86d42c |
| [17:43:33] | iamlindoro: | antgel: Myth's support for the imon and its icons is far newer and more complete... not mention more acurate |
| [17:43:35] | iamlindoro: | er accurate |
| [17:43:56] | antgel: | NNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGHFFFS etc as i've spent *hours* on this but thaks iamlindoro for the info. i might add a post to ron's webpage so other souls don't get the wrong impression |
| [17:43:57] | iamlindoro: | Prior to the code being written for it, the only option was that perl script... but that was some time ago |
| [17:45:30] | iamlindoro: | antgel: Support started here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22477 and has seen numerous improvements since |
| [17:46:02] | iamlindoro: | I would go so far as to say that the script and the real code probably interfere with each other in exciting and colorful ways |
| [17:46:20] | antgel: | s/colorful/fricking wacko/ |
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| [17:48:06] | antgel: | see, i forget how much myth is still under development, and i don't really follow the nitty-gritty |
| [17:49:13] | oobe: | help me i accidentally dropped my database then i accidentally deleted all my backups then i accidentally typed rm -rf / then i accidentally burnt my computer then i accidentally ..... |
| [17:49:25] | maddslacker: | oobe, hehe |
| [17:49:29] | maddslacker: | there is a help for that |
| [17:49:40] | oobe: | i dont know |
| [17:49:42] | maddslacker: | mv shotgun head --trigger |
| [17:51:32] | oobe: | how ya been maddslacker |
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| [17:51:51] | antgel: | iamlindoro: ah, is that stuff in 0.22-fixes? |
| [17:51:55] | iamlindoro: | ye |
| [17:51:56] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [17:52:09] | antgel: | sweet |
| [17:53:34] | antgel: | iamlindoro: i'm not seeing anything that i wouldn't have seen on my old antec with imon VFD – do i need to enable some option for the extras? |
| [17:53:59] | iamlindoro: | antgel: Actually, looks like it missed the .22 branch by ~50 commits, I'm sorry :( |
| [17:54:06] | iamlindoro: | probably was within a day of that branch |
| [17:54:18] | iamlindoro: | So back to the drawing board, I guess |
| [17:54:57] | antgel: | *doh* – doesn't look like rocket science to backport, but i don't have time. guess i'll just live with it for now |
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| [18:00:48] | justinh: | antgel: oh noes. you got the impression ITV HD would work from some bloke's webpage? lol |
| [18:01:27] | antgel: | justinh: er, no. different issue |
| [18:02:27] | maddslacker: | oobe, have you gotten mythweb to work on slackware? |
| [18:02:55] | justinh: | I got mythweb to work on slack. many many moons ago |
| [18:03:28] | peoples: | can someone switch input on mythtv 0.22 ? (Y key) ? |
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| [18:03:50] | justinh: | peoples: I dunno, I don't use livetv |
| [18:04:14] | maddslacker: | justinh, I'm habing a helluva time getting it to play nice |
| [18:04:26] | justinh: | I do know that you have to have more than one card input & they all have to be bound to video sources |
| [18:04:34] | justinh: | (for it to work) |
| [18:05:17] | peoples: | yes two cards in there an bound to video sources with different nme |
| [18:05:29] | peoples: | works fine on 0.21-fixes |
| [18:05:34] | oobe: | maddslacker, yea |
| [18:05:56] | oobe: | i just used the INSTALL file in the root |
| [18:06:10] | oobe: | actually i made a config you can use |
| [18:06:24] | peoples: | but since 0.22 no way , also C shortcut won't work to show me which source i use |
| [18:07:04] | peoples: | switching input with M and choose the input in the on screen menue -> work |
| [18:07:06] | justinh: | peoples: is this like switching between analogue & digital on the same tuner or something? |
| [18:07:14] | maddslacker: | oobe, I did too, but getting what appears to be apretty common error according to the google |
| [18:07:29] | oobe: | pastebin it |
| [18:07:30] | justinh: | peoples: anyway good luck |
| [18:07:33] | maddslacker: | oobe, and I have setup a wordpress site on apache before so I'm not a cmplete n00b :D |
| [18:07:35] | peoples: | justinh: no is just switching between two cards |
| [18:08:13] | oobe: | maddslacker, im guessing you want to |
| [18:08:15] | oobe: | sudo chmod 700 /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/data |
| [18:08:15] | oobe: | sudo chown -R daemon /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/data |
| [18:08:15] | oobe: | sudo chgrp -R apache /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/data |
| [18:08:17] | maddslacker: | oobe, http://pastebin.com/d7bd25eb7 is what I get |
| [18:08:20] | justinh: | there's no point me asking any further questions. I've no experience of it |
| [18:08:38] | peoples: | ;) |
| [18:08:38] | maddslacker: | oobe, I did the last, I'l try the first two |
| [18:09:02] | oobe: | maddslacker, i was only guessing your problem is different |
| [18:09:17] | oobe: | after seeing your logs |
| [18:09:21] | maddslacker: | yeah |
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| [18:10:33] | oobe: | i can pastebin my configs for you |
| [18:10:42] | maddslacker: | please |
| [18:10:50] | oobe: | they will work if you modify the password field |
| [18:10:50] | maddslacker: | so I can compare if nothing else |
| [18:10:55] | maddslacker: | woot |
| [18:10:57] | justinh: | heheh people talk about building a mythtv system on twitter like it's some kind of fricking magnum opus |
| [18:12:54] | oobe: | justinh, it is for some ppl |
| [18:13:04] | justinh: | Gee, one day I hope to have a mythtv box </dream> |
| [18:13:18] | oobe: | ahh i dont know what a magnum opus is so i shouldnt comment |
| [18:13:40] | justinh: | its reputation still precedes it apparently |
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| [18:17:14] | justinh: | maybe when the phantom coder writes the web-based config app... |
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| [18:18:03] | oobe: | maddslacker, i will pm them to you now |
| [18:18:10] | maddslacker: | oobe, sweet, thanks |
| [18:18:43] | Thelasko: | anybody have any luck running Mirobridge as a cronjob? |
| [18:19:01] | oobe: | httpd.conf points to include httpd-mythweb.conf |
| [18:19:46] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: Pastbin the output from MiroBrideg attempt but make sure to add the -V option |
| [18:20:07] | Thelasko: | If I run it manually it runs fine |
| [18:20:27] | Thelasko: | I just can't get the cronjob to run |
| [18:20:47] | justinh: | possible it's a $HOME snafu? |
| [18:20:48] | Thelasko: | Do you still want that output? |
| [18:20:55] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: Check the wiki for various suggestions when to make a cron job work |
| [18:21:06] | Thelasko: | Yeah, I did |
| [18:21:42] | Thelasko: | The first cronjob I ran I received the, "Importing Miro functions has an issue. Miro must be installed and functional." error |
| [18:21:45] | RDV_Linux_: | Then pipe the cron output to a log file and pastebin that |
| [18:22:06] | Thelasko: | How do I do that? |
| [18:22:19] | Thelasko: | like "> "/tmp/mirobridge.log" 2>&1" |
| [18:22:20] | Thelasko: | ? |
| [18:23:08] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: Try running the environment test options as a cron job "./mirobridge.py -t > "/tmp/mirobridge.log" 2>&1" |
| [18:23:39] | Thelasko: | Okay |
| [18:23:56] | Thelasko: | Should I shorten the time period of the cronjob? |
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| [18:24:17] | Thelasko: | I don't really want to wait an hour to find out it's still broken |
| [18:24:53] | Thelasko: | BTW I also tried the string: env `dbus-launch` sh -c 'trap "kill $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID" EXIT; /the path to mirobridge/mirobridge.py -V' > "/tmp/mirobridge.log" 2>&1 |
| [18:25:00] | Thelasko: | and that doesn't even output a log file |
| [18:26:12] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: That may not be the issue. When you give the pastebin include the exact command line used in the cronjob |
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| [18:26:35] | Thelasko: | crap, I found a bug in my old code... |
| [18:27:05] | Thelasko: | I hate nano |
| [18:28:05] | Thelasko: | is there anyway I can edit this crontab file in mouspad or something? |
| [18:28:22] | Thelasko: | nano won't let me copy and paste for some reason |
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| [18:29:06] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: I am not able to help for that question |
| [18:30:04] | Thelasko: | I think I'm just not getting the command copied down right into the crontab file |
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| [18:30:54] | kizi: | thelasko, cant yuou just open the crontab file in terminal with for example: mousepad FileName ? |
| [18:31:44] | Thelasko: | I can't find the crontab file |
| [18:32:03] | Thelasko: | I think I need to be root to access it |
| [18:32:06] | Thelasko: | which doesn't make sense |
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| [18:32:18] | Thelasko: | because I can edit it with crontab -e in nano |
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| [18:32:42] | clever: | Thelasko: that command will copy it to /tmp and chown that file so you can edit it without root |
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| [18:32:56] | clever: | then run your chosen editor under your own name (so you cant hack the system) |
| [18:33:14] | clever: | and when the editor closes, it copyes the file back |
| [18:34:12] | Thelasko: | okay |
| [18:34:15] | Thelasko: | that's tricky |
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| [18:34:25] | Thelasko: | so, how do I save the file then? |
| [18:34:40] | clever: | just run crontab -e and edit that |
| [18:34:41] | Thelasko: | Save it in mousepad but not in nano? |
| [18:34:49] | clever: | you can change the editor it uses |
| [18:34:59] | Thelasko: | when I run crontab -e it automatically opens nano |
| [18:35:07] | clever: | export EDITOR=mousepad |
| [18:35:08] | clever: | crontab -e |
| [18:35:12] | Thelasko: | I tried that |
| [18:35:15] | Thelasko: | it didn't work |
| [18:35:24] | Thelasko: | wait, you need to do that on two lines? |
| [18:35:28] | clever: | yes |
| [18:35:57] | Thelasko: | nope |
| [18:36:00] | Thelasko: | that still opens nano |
| [18:36:01] | MartinJT: | are there any general linuxy type experts here... having an intermittent issue with my TV cards disappearing... |
| [18:36:16] | clever: | export VISUAL=mousepad |
| [18:36:19] | clever: | then crontab -e |
| [18:36:22] | devinheitmueller: | MartinJT: questions of that nature should be directed to #linuxtv |
| [18:36:45] | MartinJT: | okey dokey... |
| [18:36:58] | Thelasko: | clever: Bingo! |
| [18:37:19] | clever: | all clearly explained in 'man crontab' under the -e section |
| [18:39:25] | Thelasko: | sorry |
| [18:39:31] | clever: | what i generaly do, is put the export ... commands in my .bashrc |
| [18:39:33] | Thelasko: | I read all kinds of other documentation |
| [18:39:37] | clever: | so they run at login and are always set |
| [18:40:11] | Thelasko: | yeah, I should do that |
| [18:40:30] | Thelasko: | I usually don't run into this problem though |
| [18:41:35] | Thelasko: | Well, in 20 minutes I should find out if that worked |
| [18:42:02] | clever: | one thing to be carefull of is if the script outputs anything |
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| [18:42:24] | clever: | i currently have 12576 emails in my inbox |
| [18:42:37] | clever: | because crontab was sending one every 5 minutes since who knows when |
| [18:43:09] | Thelasko: | I don't think it will |
| [18:43:10] | clever: | it seems on oct 16th i ran out of disk space |
| [18:43:18] | clever: | so every job in half my crontabs began complaining |
| [18:43:23] | clever: | and it mailed me every complaint |
| [18:43:46] | Thelasko: | do you have it set to do so? |
| [18:43:57] | clever: | it mails by default on most distros |
| [18:43:58] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: Are you using Mythbuntu? |
| [18:43:59] | clever: | i usualy end the commands with >> /path/to/log 2>&1 |
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| [18:44:03] | Dubstar_04: | that will of been 43.6 days ago |
| [18:44:11] | Thelasko: | Yeah, I'm on Mythbuntu |
| [18:45:10] | RDV_Linux_: | Thelasko: Sorry I was thinking about how Mythbuntu sets up jamu which would require a different way to edit the cronjob/ |
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| [18:51:40] | Cardoe_: | does Mythbuntu add jamu to a cronjob? |
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| [18:52:36] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe_: Yes. Actual three different ones -M, -MW and -MJ The last two weekly and the first hourly |
| [18:52:49] | Cardoe_: | interesting |
| [18:53:01] | Thelasko: | I noticed it took a while to run on my machine |
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| [19:02:30] | degrade: | Does anybody use HVR-1600 with Composite input? |
| [19:03:18] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: I actually haven't tested the composite input on the HVR-1600 yet. Does it not work? |
| [19:03:19] | ltrvs: | hello, just updated to 0.22 \o/, but how do I run user jobs manually with it? |
| [19:04:14] | Dagmar: | One "side" of that card currently does not work under Myth. |
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| [19:04:21] | degrade: | I'm looking around... |
| [19:04:25] | Dagmar: | I can't remember if it's the analog or digital side tho |
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| [19:04:39] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: both sides *should* be working. |
| [19:04:55] | Dagmar: | Suuuure |
| [19:04:58] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: On the HVR-1800, there are known issues under Myth, but as far as I know the 1600 works. |
| [19:05:05] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: I use PVR-150 with RCA, however my board is burned... I need to buy a new board and I saw that the new ones haven't RCA inputs... |
| [19:05:29] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: just get a composite to s-video converter. They cost like $3.00. |
| [19:05:33] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: So, I'll try to use HVR-1600 with composite. |
| [19:05:59] | Dagmar: | Ah I see what the problem was |
| [19:06:04] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: you might want to ask on linux-media and get confirmation (since I haven't tried it yet). But as far as I know it works. |
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| [19:06:26] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: what was the problem? |
| [19:06:31] | Dagmar: | Ye olde vmalloc shortage |
| [19:06:31] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: You haven't sure about the composite, but, and S-Video? You have sure? |
| [19:06:37] | degrade: | Have you sure? |
| [19:06:53] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: yeah, the vmalloc thing is a bit annoying, but trivial to work around. |
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| [19:07:13] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: no, I am not sure. I'm currently doing a bunch of work on the HVR-1600 analog side, but haven't tested the inputs other than the tuner so far. |
| [19:07:47] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: I really think that shall work. |
| [19:07:58] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Being that this is the fifth time the issue has been in my face in two months, I'll make a note to myself to scribble something up in the wiki about it later tonight |
| [19:08:03] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: You know where to buy new PVR-150? |
| [19:08:08] | Dagmar: | Frankly, people should just buy more freakin' RAM, but that's their decision |
| [19:08:18] | Dagmar: | degrade: On the other side of someone's time machine. |
| [19:08:24] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: the PVR-150 cannot be sold in the United States anymore. You can probably get it on ebay. |
| [19:08:30] | Dagmar: | They don't make them anymore, so you're highly unlikely to find them new |
| [19:08:38] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Um, no. |
| [19:08:42] | Dagmar: | It *can* be sold in the US. |
| [19:08:49] | Dagmar: | There's no restriction against it. |
| [19:08:51] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: Cannot? Any Law? |
| [19:08:53] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but it has to have that nasty disclaimer, and they don't ship it anymore. |
| [19:09:06] | Dagmar: | There's just not as much point in trying since no one's broadacsting analog NTSC over the air anymore. |
| [19:09:16] | degrade: | Dagmar: Yes, *cannot* seems like a restriction :D |
| [19:09:26] | Dagmar: | It'll only work with people's analog cable--although that's still like 40% of households |
| [19:09:50] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I misspoke when I said cannot. |
| [19:10:18] | degrade: | Dagmar: I won't use the ATSC or Analog... I need the Composite interface at all :D |
| [19:10:34] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: Ok. Now I undestand. |
| [19:10:36] | devinheitmueller: | The ruling says "after May 25, 2007, all television equipment being sold should contain a digital tuner, or should be identified at the point-of-sale as not having one" |
| [19:10:37] | Dagmar: | GOt news for ya |
| [19:10:39] | Dagmar: | That'll be analog. |
| [19:10:53] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: The Hauppauge manual says that HPV-1600 comes with a adapter... see: |
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| [19:11:05] | degrade: | If your video device uses composite video instead of S-Video, use the supplied Composite to S-Video adapter. Plug your composite video connector (normally yellow) into one end of |
| [19:11:14] | degrade: | use the supplied... |
| [19:11:36] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: Your boards was supplied with some adapter ? |
| [19:11:53] | devinheitmueller: | Well, my board wasn't new. |
| [19:12:11] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, the website seems to indicate that they include the adapter, which is great. |
| [19:12:19] | Dagmar: | It's also weird. |
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| [19:12:30] | Dagmar: | Most of the 150's are just like the image on the MythTV wiki |
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| [19:12:53] | Dagmar: | THey'll have both a composite and an s-video input built right into them, but at least downconverting is harmless |
| [19:13:19] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: well, it's not surprising. There is only so much real estate on the PCI plate. |
| [19:13:23] | Dagmar: | If you get one that only has S-video input, the adapter (or any old adapter) should work fine |
| [19:13:50] | degrade: | yes... that's what I shall do. |
| [19:14:07] | degrade: | The model 2250 works well in Linux? |
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| [19:14:17] | martint: | anyone know anything about jamu (sorry if you've already replied... my connection dropped( |
| [19:14:18] | martint: | ) |
| [19:14:38] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: the 2250 does not have analog support under Linux currently. |
| [19:14:51] | Dagmar: | If push http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 |
| [19:14:57] | Dagmar: | er ignore the "if push" part. |
| [19:14:59] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: yes what is the issue |
| [19:15:01] | ltrvs: | and the answer to my question about manually running user jobs with 0.22 is to use 'I' key (info) in "watch recordings" view. Thanks guys ;) |
| [19:15:15] | degrade: | The better well support nowadays is 1600 ? |
| [19:15:20] | degrade: | supported. |
| [19:15:43] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: yes, the HVR-1600 is better supported than the 2250 (since it's been around longer). |
| [19:16:05] | degrade: | Good... sounds good for me. |
| [19:16:48] | Dagmar: | Someone tell me whether or not that first paragraph on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 sounds insane |
| [19:17:12] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: it's a little confusing, but it is correct. |
| [19:17:29] | degrade: | I work in a Brazilian Broadcast. We use mythtv plus Hauppauge to record our programs...24 hours by 60 days of retention. |
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| [19:17:38] | martint: | RDV_Linux_, when I run ./jamu.py -Mf I get something that says it can't access the python bindings... |
| [19:17:52] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: it should probably make clear earlier on though that the Linux driver doesn't have analog support though. |
| [19:18:16] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: It says that right at the top of the pgae |
| [19:18:17] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: pastbin the output |
| [19:18:43] | degrade: | devinheitmueller: Are you using mythtv to home or to work? |
| [19:18:48] | martint: | I can do better than that... I asked on the ubuntuforums, and it's all there... is that ok? |
| [19:19:10] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: So give me the link |
| [19:19:11] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: yeah, except it also says "Support Status: not implemented" and the paragraph goes on talking about how you can record both analog and digital at the same time. |
| [19:19:40] | degrade: | I really think that 1600'll works. |
| [19:19:41] | devinheitmueller: | degrade: I don't really use mythtv much. I work on the Linux drivers for various cards. |
| [19:19:51] | Dagmar: | My issue is with this: "Because of this, each tuner can only record from one source at a time." |
| [19:19:58] | Dagmar: | That seems entirely incorrect. |
| [19:20:09] | Dagmar: | ATSC/QAM isn't multiplexed that I'm aware of |
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| [19:20:27] | Dagmar: | Unless I'm mistaken about that, there'd be no recording groups magic with the multiplex ID |
| [19:20:30] | martint: | sorry to use the word "thing" alot... I still consider myself a n00b linux user, even though I've been using it for 2 years... |
| [19:20:30] | martint: | <MartinJT> this issue only started happening (albeit the card didn't actually find any channels) after I installed that patch... |
| [19:20:30] | martint: | <MartinJT> v4l-dvb or something... |
| [19:20:30] | martint: | <MartinJT> I suppose I'll give that a try then... |
| [19:20:31] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: Each tuner can be recording either digital or analog, and the board has two tuners. |
| [19:20:32] | martint: | <MartinJT> devinheitmueller, should I past the whole dmesg? it seems quite long... |
| [19:20:42] | martint: | sorry... stupid VNC |
| [19:20:46] | martint: | arggggghhhh |
| [19:20:54] | devinheitmueller: | martint: no, use pastebin |
| [19:21:00] | skd5aner: | Actually – I think ATSC can be multiplexed, right? |
| [19:21:02] | devinheitmueller: | *never* paste output into an irc window. |
| [19:21:03] | degrade: | I'm calling to hauppauge now ... |
| [19:21:11] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: The sentence implies that if it weren't for "this" the thing would be able to record more than one channel per tuner simultaneously, which isn't true |
| [19:21:27] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yes, there can be multiple subchannels on a single ATSC transponder. |
| [19:21:38] | Dagmar: | "this" being that the tuners are hybrid |
| [19:21:40] | martint: | no I meant to copy the ubuntuforums url... but I'm vnc'd... and it didn't come aceoss |
| [19:22:00] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: I agree the language is convoluted. |
| [19:22:23] | martint: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1330719 |
| [19:22:28] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: I think the goal was to explain that because there is only one tuner, that is why it cannot capture both analog and digital simultaneously. |
| [19:22:32] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yup, someone else said that ATSC/QAM isn't multiplexed, I was disagreing, but can't speak authoritatively about it |
| [19:23:11] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: You cannot multiplex ATSC and QAM with each other, but within a given ATSC or QAM stream, there can be multiple video streams (commonly referred to as subchannels) |
| [19:23:20] | Dagmar: | Far as I know, the analog side is framegrabber stuff for that one |
| [19:23:25] | skd5aner: | right |
| [19:23:33] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: in fact, it is common for *all* the ClearQAM channels you receive to be on only one or two frequencies. |
| [19:24:03] | skd5aner: | that is what I thought, and why multirec within myth works very well for me w/QAM-256 :) |
| [19:24:07] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: The hardware supports both a raw analog (framegrabber) and an MPEG encoder. |
| [19:24:10] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: So that card's hardware seriously somehow keeps it from using multiplexing to report more than one channel on teh same freq? |
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| [19:24:39] | Dagmar: | From where I sit, I understand most of this stuff, and if the documentation doesn't make sense to _me_ then there's a clear problem |
| [19:25:12] | skd5aner: | Dagmar: if you know your stuff, and you don't like the wiki – anyone is free to update/reword it :) |
| [19:25:13] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: I think you are a bit confused. For a given tuner, you can only be tuned to one frequency, for either analog or digital. However, for digital, it is possible that multiple "channels" are delivered on a single frequency. |
| [19:25:25] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: This I'm aware of |
| [19:25:46] | Dagmar: | skd5aner: Dude, what the hell do you think I'm sitting here lining up things to fix later tonight for? |
| [19:25:55] | devinheitmueller: | That said, you cannot simultaneously have a single tuner tuned to both an analog and a digital channel. |
| [19:26:04] | Dagmar: | I know that. |
| [19:26:19] | Dagmar: | ...and that sentence is broken. |
| [19:26:31] | Dagmar: | You *could* set a tuner to both at once, if they were both broadcast on the same freq |
| [19:26:39] | Dagmar: | All you'd get is radio garbage tho |
| [19:26:49] | Dagmar: | ...because they're on the same bloody freq. |
| [19:27:09] | Dagmar: | ...and analog would obliterate any attempt at a digital signal |
| [19:27:30] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: No, you cannot. Depending on the tuner chip, the tuner chip has to know whether to deliver analog video or digital across the IF. |
| [19:27:57] | ** Dagmar waits for you to finish reading what he typed. ** | |
| [19:28:33] | Dagmar: | A "tuner" doesn't have to know those things. |
| [19:28:38] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: I don't believe you would even get a carrier lock. |
| [19:28:41] | Dagmar: | The recieving circuits that do somethign with it do |
| [19:28:55] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: that statement is incorrect for many tuner chips. |
| [19:28:59] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Obviously because the analog would screw up the digital part |
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| [19:29:37] | devinheitmueller: | For *very* dumb tuners, it is true, but most of the newer silicon tuners have at least some demodulation circuitry on board, and needs to know the channel bandwidth. |
| [19:29:40] | Dagmar: | Doesn't matter, I know how to fix the verbiage now |
| [19:30:34] | Dagmar: | It's pointless to distinguish the bit about only one source |
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| [19:31:27] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: since your target audience is end-users, you might want to change the verbiage to provide some examples of what can be done (breaking down the two tuners). |
| [19:31:43] | devinheitmueller: | Of course, under Linux, none of it is relevant since there is no analog support. |
| [19:31:48] | Dagmar: | I can just make the verbiage not be incorrect and it should have the same effect. |
| [19:31:58] | Dagmar: | "A hybrid tuner is one that can record both NTSC and ATSC/QAM sources but shares the hardware to do so. Because of this, each tuner can only record from one source at a time." |
| [19:32:07] | Dagmar: | "This" referring to the fact that the tuners are "hybrid". |
| [19:32:07] | devinheitmueller: | The verbiage can just as easily say "this product can capture one or two ATSC/QAM streams simultaneously" |
| [19:32:47] | devinheitmueller: | True, but you should probably add that the 2250 has *two* hybrid tuners onboard. |
| [19:32:59] | Dagmar: | It's already mentioned elsewhere. |
| [19:33:06] | Dagmar: | English, I speak it. |
| [19:33:08] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [19:33:25] | devinheitmueller: | And even "hybrid" can be a bit of a misnomer, since the HVR-1600 is considered by most to be a hybrid tuner but it in fact *can* capture both ATSC/QAM and analog at the same time. |
| [19:33:33] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: I relied in the ubuntu forum post |
| [19:33:34] | Dagmar: | "Over 35 years of experience!" |
| [19:33:42] | martint: | thanks... |
| [19:35:37] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: It has two tuners. |
| [19:35:50] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: while you are there, it might make sense to also chang ethe "Support Status" from "not implemented" to "implemented for digital only – no analog support currently", or some such text. |
| [19:36:14] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: Yes, I am intimately familiar with the HVR-1600's hardware design. |
| [19:36:18] | martint: | RDV_Linux_, so I can't run on a backend only machine? |
| [19:36:34] | martint: | I've not installed the frontend on that machine at all.. |
| [19:36:37] | devinheitmueller: | However, people often still refer to it as a hybrid tuner product since it supports both analog and digital. |
| [19:36:51] | Dagmar: | re to "not implemented" are you talking about for the 2250 or the 1600? |
| [19:36:59] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: the 2250. |
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| [19:37:12] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: Jamu ONLY runs on a back end machine. |
| [19:37:12] | Dagmar: | It already says that and why right at the top |
| [19:37:36] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: Are we looking at the same page? |
| [19:37:42] | devinheitmueller: | I'm looking at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-2250 |
| [19:37:45] | Dagmar: | Gods I hope so |
| [19:37:56] | devinheitmueller: | And the second line in the table says "Support Status: Not implemented" |
| [19:37:58] | Dagmar: | Yes we are |
| [19:38:06] | Dagmar: | "KernelLabs DVB digital recording only (ATSC/QAM) – NTSC (i.e. analog cable) is NOT currently supported with the linux driver. " |
| [19:38:08] | Dagmar: | Right below that |
| [19:38:21] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: The MythDB python binding needs to use the config.xml file to access the MtyhTV data base |
| [19:38:24] | devinheitmueller: | You don't think those two statements are contradictory? |
| [19:38:54] | Dagmar: | No I think the Support Status field is being rather loosely treated as an indicator of whether or not Myth explicitly has special support for the device |
| [19:39:07] | devinheitmueller: | There is no special support required. |
| [19:39:11] | Dagmar: | For the PVR-1600 that field says "Works with MythTV 0.21, but not explicitly supported " |
| [19:40:12] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, what the hell does "explicitly supported"? Are we talking about whether an engineer is actively claiming to support it when it breaks? It works, so as far as I'm concerned that means it's supported. |
| [19:40:13] | Dagmar: | Defining "supported" is something I'm not really getting into, because to me it would make a little more sense to just ditch that field |
| [19:40:38] | Dagmar: | It would appear the main idea being "did a developer actually put code in with this specific device in mind" |
| [19:40:52] | martint: | RDV_Linux_, you can copy the xml frontend it seems... |
| [19:41:03] | Dagmar: | If other devices work by virtue of being compatible, then they're functional, but not necessariy supported explicitly |
| [19:41:13] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: There was no code required specifically for this device. The device conformed to the linux-dvb spec, so it just worked. |
| [19:41:27] | RDV_Linux_: | martint: As long as it is correctly configured |
| [19:41:28] | Dagmar: | Being that the setup program only has generic types of support to pick from, rather than a strictly itemized list by specific card type... |
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| [19:41:58] | backslash7: | Hey folks – I just installed Ubuntu and mythtv and everything is fine except that I can't scan for channels with my Hauppauge card using v4l on my analog line. |
| [19:42:00] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: So it's supported by v4l, but not explicitly addressed as a distinct card type by myth |
| [19:42:12] | devinheitmueller: | So you're saying that you think that even though it works perfectly in MythTV, that it should be considered "not supported" because no new code was required? |
| [19:42:27] | Dagmar: | If I touch *that* verbiage tho I'll have to come up with a guideline for what constitutes support and what doesn't. |
| [19:42:33] | devinheitmueller: | Lord. |
| [19:42:42] | devinheitmueller: | This is a staggeringly painful conversation. |
| [19:42:47] | Dagmar: | ...which I don't think would be as useful as replacing the damn field with one that says "WORKS OR NOT? YA-NO?" |
| [19:43:09] | Dagmar: | Yes, because you're wanting to worry about what it means on that one page. |
| [19:43:11] | backslash7: | I don't wanna use a grabber and thus have no channels available right now |
| [19:43:21] | Dagmar: | I'm worried about keeping that table consistent across all the pages. |
| [19:43:23] | backslash7: | I can't press the Scan channels button it's disabled :/ |
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| [19:43:40] | Dagmar: | I can't easily solve *that* problem, so I'm not touching that field in thsoe tables at all |
| [19:43:40] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I am concerned that less knowledgeable users will go to that page, see the words "not supported" and think that card does not work with MythTV. |
| [19:43:48] | Dagmar: | So change it |
| [19:44:08] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: The analog channel scanner is disabled in .22, as it's not finished/broken. The only option is to use a grabber or add the channels manually |
| [19:44:18] | Dagmar: | It can't be any more or less wrong pretty much unless it says "requires strawberry flavoring to work" |
| [19:44:24] | backslash7: | .............. WTF |
| [19:44:31] | backslash7: | iamlindoro: thanks for the info |
| [19:44:35] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:44:36] | backslash7: | but what the heck, really? |
| [19:44:56] | backslash7: | how do you remove functionality after an update |
| [19:44:57] | iamlindoro: | Sorry, I'll arrange for a full refund. You can speak to my manager, devinheitmueller |
| [19:45:08] | backslash7: | :/ |
| [19:45:09] | Dagmar: | backslash7: When it haasn't worked correctly in a long while |
| [19:45:16] | maddslacker: | devinheitmueller, as a new user, I read that very page and was a little mystified, but what I took away is that it should work out of the box |
| [19:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Because the channel scanner has been rewriten, and isn't done yet |
| [19:45:25] | backslash7: | It has for me a couple of months ago with a previous version |
| [19:45:36] | iamlindoro: | and approximately 0 of the devs use analog/analog+no grabber |
| [19:45:47] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: are you suggesting that I am your manager, or were you offering me a full refund? |
| [19:45:48] | backslash7: | You got a point there |
| [19:45:51] | iamlindoro: | a couple of months ago != today |
| [19:46:04] | backslash7: | today > a couple of months ago |
| [19:46:10] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I'm suggesting that you are my manager, and that you get to talk to backslash7 about his refund ;) |
| [19:46:12] | backslash7: | well, not now appearantly ;) |
| [19:46:18] | Dagmar: | backslash7: So write a scanner in perl then |
| [19:46:19] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Ah, ok. |
| [19:46:34] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Sure, refunds for everybody! Where is my checkbook? |
| [19:46:40] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Just randomly chose your name because I knew you were here :) |
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| [19:47:10] | backslash7: | Anybody know when one can "expect" the analog channel scanning to be done? |
| [19:47:11] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, I'm here, although considering blowing my brains out from this debate of what constitutes "supported". |
| [19:47:12] | backslash7: | roughly |
| [19:47:18] | Dagmar: | backslash7: When you write it |
| [19:47:20] | devinheitmueller: | backslash7: patches welcome. |
| [19:47:33] | Dagmar: | Everyone else uses a listings source to populate their channel tables |
| [19:47:39] | Dagmar: | ...because it's FASTER. |
| [19:47:42] | iamlindoro: | roughly when someone takes time away from paying the mortgage and caring for children to write scanning for cards they don't use or own |
| [19:47:43] | backslash7: | What language? Just out of curiosity |
| [19:47:46] | iamlindoro: | or when someone who does does it |
| [19:47:52] | iamlindoro: | C++/Qt |
| [19:47:52] | Dagmar: | backslash7: Any language will do |
| [19:48:15] | backslash7: | C++ cool |
| [19:48:18] | iamlindoro: | Should be added back in for .23, but who knows |
| [19:48:21] | backslash7: | What's wrong with the old version |
| [19:48:29] | backslash7: | is it bad? |
| [19:48:35] | iamlindoro: | it sucked and was impossible to improve/maintain/add to |
| [19:48:36] | Dagmar: | Have you looked at the source? |
| [19:48:57] | iamlindoro: | A channel scanner that works for every locale on earth, for every TV standard is *not simple* |
| [19:49:03] | backslash7: | Not yet |
| [19:49:15] | backslash7: | Yeah I get that |
| [19:49:21] | iamlindoro: | If Myth arbitrarily decided only to support DVB in Germany, writing a channel scanner would be easy |
| [19:49:25] | backslash7: | Are there listings for every country on earth then? |
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| [19:49:38] | iamlindoro: | doubtful |
| [19:49:42] | Dagmar: | There's listings for the US stations, and that's what matter. |
| [19:49:53] | Dagmar: | Without listings, a PVR is KINDA POINTLESS ANYWAY. |
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| [19:50:10] | iamlindoro: | But people who don't like it and aren't going to fix it are welcome to use a version that makes them happy |
| [19:50:49] | backslash7: | But just using XMLTV and fetch EPG from a web site doesn't tell mythtv the frequency of the channels does it? |
| [19:51:33] | iamlindoro: | no, but analog doesn't work that way... you just need a valid frequency table and whole channel numbers |
| [19:51:51] | iamlindoro: | which is why a channel scan for analog has *always* been a bad idea, even when it worked |
| [19:52:20] | backslash7: | I had all the channels set up in a previous installation and I still have a backup of my /usr/share/mythtv is that gonna help? |
| [19:52:22] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I'm a little surprised though that we don't use the channel scanner to filter out the channels you don't get (as opposed from having to manually remove them) |
| [19:52:25] | backslash7: | iamlindoro: oh ok |
| [19:52:53] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: /usr/share wouldn't help, no... you could go back to .21, restore a database with the channels, and upgrade and you should have your channels |
| [19:52:56] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller: a tv station isn't always on the air |
| [19:53:05] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller: scan at the wrong time, lose a channel |
| [19:53:08] | ** skd5aner tosses hat into the ring ** | |
| [19:53:09] | backslash7: | Where is that database then? |
| [19:53:17] | backslash7: | isnt it sqlite? |
| [19:53:18] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: wherever you put it |
| [19:53:20] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [19:53:22] | iamlindoro: | MySQL |
| [19:53:32] | iamlindoro: | how does one get myth set up in the first place without knowing what DB we use? |
| [19:53:34] | iamlindoro: | anyway |
| [19:53:41] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: I wasn't suggesting periodically doing a channel scan so much as at initial setup. Certainly, if your argument were true then TVs wouldn't both including a channel autoscan feature. |
| [19:53:49] | skd5aner: | - "supported" on a mythtv wiki should indicate if it "works" in myth, since there is no expectation of "support" really at all – and, on a wiki dedicate to myth, it shouldn't indicate general linux support |
| [19:53:59] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: FWIW having a v4l dev looking at myth channel changing/scanning is very, very, very welcome |
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| [19:54:11] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: And that's not a "patches welcome," it's a "please join us, you are welcome" |
| [19:54:20] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I would really like to. I've just been to busy. |
| [19:54:37] | devinheitmueller: | The fact that the analog scanning is disabled bothered me. And I could probably help out quite a bit on the digital side. |
| [19:54:53] | iamlindoro: | Just didn't want it to come across the wrong way-- your input/experience would be very valued |
| [19:54:56] | devinheitmueller: | I've just got too many people banging on me for other things. |
| [19:54:58] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller: my only tv that had autoscan would always require me to manually add stations after the auto-scan because they were too 'low' to pick up |
| [19:54:59] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [19:55:19] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: well, that is interesting. |
| [19:56:01] | iamlindoro: | I would love for myth to be able to do some auto-maintenance of channels... obviously would need to be disable-able for cases where people have off-air stations |
| [19:56:09] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: I guess your television had some sort of minimal quality standard instead of just whether it could achieve carrier lock. Most televisions I have seen will include channels that at least achieve a lock, and sometimes you have to remove ones that are really crap. |
| [19:56:30] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff, it was a very very very cheap tv |
| [19:56:30] | iamlindoro: | But channel moving/shuffling is really the elephant in the room for all homebrew DVRs... would be neat to be the ones with a solution to it |
| [19:56:38] | backslash7: | iamlindoro: channel.frm/myd/myi might that be it? |
| [19:57:04] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [19:57:12] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: yeah, it's a tough problem. You would typically want to do such an analysis in the middle of the day (since that's when most channels are on-the-air), but that's when people actually want to watch TV. |
| [19:57:16] | kormoc: | backslash7: you need to start backing up your databases correctly... |
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| [19:57:31] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: the files aren't going to be helpful, need a real DB backup, like kormoc suggests |
| [19:58:03] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: yeah... sucks to not have access to the proprietary channel mapping methods (SCTE-65 aside) |
| [19:58:09] | devinheitmueller: | yeah. |
| [19:58:23] | backslash7: | I didn't exactly prepare for the face that with the next mythtv version I won't be able to scan channels anymore so pardon me if I havent fully backed up my entire databases |
| [19:58:27] | backslash7: | I'm just trying to get my channels back |
| [19:58:43] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: *any* myth update should be preceded by a DB backup |
| [19:58:54] | iamlindoro: | and if I had my way, everyone would have nightlies too |
| [19:58:55] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: yeah, if the OOB didn't do OFDM modulation, I could probably hack an existing tuner product to read it. |
| [19:58:57] | kormoc: | check to see if your myth backed up your db for you automatically |
| [19:59:09] | maddslacker: | ok, oobe was helpful in getting my mythweb up and running, but I have an error in the'videos' link: |
| [19:59:10] | maddslacker: | Error |
| [19:59:11] | maddslacker: | Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (fchqcmlaptop). Please update your <a href="http://localhost/mythweb/settings/mythweb&quo . . . gs</a> to point to the correct location. |
| [19:59:18] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: yeah.... :( |
| [19:59:24] | maddslacker: | I've checked the directories listed and it *seems* correct |
| [19:59:35] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: You know, there is another spot where having a v4l dev's input would be helpful |
| [19:59:38] | skd5aner: | on that note, not that it impacts me, but is it clearly communicated somewhere that analog channel scanning is disabled for .22 for those folks who want to take the plunge but need to know the "risk"? |
| [19:59:46] | iamlindoro: | especially if it propogated back to a discussion on that side... |
| [19:59:49] | skd5aner: | I mean – without searching the wiki/mailing lists |
| [20:00:08] | skd5aner: | I know it's out there if you look for it :) |
| [20:00:11] | kormoc: | skd5aner: we never recommend analog scanning anyway, so... |
| [20:00:45] | skd5aner: | kormoc: yea – I've never used it, just heard it come up as a "surprise" to some folks after .22 was released and many times the answer has been to downgrade, scan, then upgrade |
| [20:01:02] | backslash7: | that would be me then |
| [20:01:07] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: We'd really, really like to have an automated detection of tuner devices.... but every time we try to figure out how best to do it, it's a nightmare of certain drivers returning some info, some returning none, etc.... do you have any notions of how we could a) autodetect the capabilities of all installed cards, and b) reconnect with the right nodes on reboot without requiring udev or module options? |
| [20:01:07] | kormoc: | actually, that's only if they *want* to scan, the main answer is to just not scan |
| [20:01:20] | skd5aner: | yup – backslash7, do you live in the US? |
| [20:01:34] | backslash7: | Switzerland which is why I make such a big deal out of it |
| [20:01:35] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, there are a few different issues there. |
| [20:01:39] | backslash7: | I really depend on that stuff |
| [20:01:42] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Maybe if the API had enforced standards regarding a query for capabilities/serial number/something like that |
| [20:01:57] | skd5aner: | Is there now XMLTV solution for Switzerland? |
| [20:02:01] | skd5aner: | now=no |
| [20:02:12] | devinheitmueller: | They do provide their capabilities consistently (and if you know of any cards that do not, let me know). Serial number is alot harder because many do not actually have one. |
| [20:02:23] | backslash7: | There is one I tried with 0.21 to fetch EPG data |
| [20:02:39] | backslash7: | Is that gonna get my channels back? |
| [20:02:56] | devinheitmueller: | The big issue I see in the application space has to do with finding the right ALSA and VBI device for analog capture, and being able to automatically associate DVB and analog devices (so myth doesn't try to use them both at the same time) |
| [20:03:49] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: yeah, finding some sort of genuinely unique attribute on the cards would at least help us solve the tuner reconnection issue... the autodetect of capabilties, maybe that's easier and we just don't know how to do it |
| [20:04:02] | devinheitmueller: | I had an extended conversation about a number of these issues at the Linux Plumbers Conference in September. |
| [20:04:24] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: so I better understand, which "capabilities" are you referring to specifically? |
| [20:05:32] | devinheitmueller: | There *are* cases where certain devices incorrectly advertise capabilities that they do not actually have, but I have been working on fixing those as I find them. |
| [20:05:40] | backslash7: | skd5aner: Do you think I can find my channels using the XMLTV fetched data? |
| [20:05:57] | devinheitmueller: | (for example, until recently all em28xx based devices would claim to have VBI support, even though it was completely unimplemented) |
| [20:06:20] | iamlindoro: | Meh, I guess it's not really your problem, that part... it's that we probe each card type and so, for example, the average hybrid card appears as v4l and DVB, with v4l being the first in the list, so the most common mistake in Mythspace is to add the card as that, since it's what myth "autodetected," even though it's wrong |
| [20:06:20] | Dagmar: | Best efffort I think would be to scan for known PCI/USB bus ids |
| [20:06:51] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: there are *hundreds* of cards out there. |
| [20:07:01] | iamlindoro: | Guess we really need to write code that can identify that the two items as one physical entity, and offer to set it up in a preferred order (with digital being the top of the tier) |
| [20:07:06] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Yes, there are. |
| [20:07:20] | Dagmar: | Thankfully, none of them should be sharing vend/prod IDs. |
| [20:07:27] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: the "mc" framework that is being built will allow association of DVB and V4L devices. |
| [20:07:36] | Dagmar: | As to which devices were assigned what /dev/nodes, that's anyone's geuss. |
| [20:07:52] | ** skd5aner is away ** | |
| [20:08:11] | devinheitmueller: | I've actually got some code that tells userland that a given v4l device is associated with a specific VBI, ALSA, and DVB device. |
| [20:08:15] | Dagmar: | You can certainly detect that there's say, a PVR-150 or a PVR-500 around and know what things it should be providing |
| [20:08:20] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: It's a long conversation and a headache every time it comes up... would just be such a nice thing for us to handle transparently to the user |
| [20:08:30] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Oh, that'll be great |
| [20:08:35] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I hear you. It is *VERY* painful for users and applications. |
| [20:08:37] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Ooooo nice |
| [20:08:57] | Dagmar: | devinheitmueller: Hows it pull that off? |
| [20:09:18] | devinheitmueller: | The lack of proper locking between V4L and DVB just makes it worse, since when people setup their config wrong it tries to use both at the same time, which causes all sorts of problems. |
| [20:09:19] | Dagmar: | I've not had time to look into finding any OS breadcrumbs to figure out where the hell it allocated resources for a device |
| [20:09:41] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: there is a new API being developed which rides alongside V4L to announce relationships between card components. |
| [20:09:48] | Dagmar: | Ahhh |
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| [20:10:00] | Dagmar: | THat would explain why I've not seen any of said breadcrumbs yet |
| [20:10:01] | devinheitmueller: | It's called the "media controller" framework. Feel free to Google. |
| [20:10:33] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Well, if it's still up in the air, some sort of physical device UUID would be welcome |
| [20:10:36] | iamlindoro: | and worth a case of beers |
| [20:10:39] | iamlindoro: | good ones |
| [20:10:58] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: yeah, I'm not sure how we can do a UUID that would work reliably with all boards. |
| [20:11:10] | devinheitmueller: | (especially when hotplug comes into play) |
| [20:11:20] | devinheitmueller: | (usb, pcmcia, etc) |
| [20:12:27] | devinheitmueller: | Many boards don't even have an eeprom, let alone a serial number. And if you do it by physical PCI slot or something, people will bitch when they pull a card and put it back in the wrong slot. |
| [20:13:05] | iamlindoro: | I could totally live with it only changing when they physically move the card |
| [20:13:19] | ** iamlindoro is very generous with other people's work ;) ** | |
| [20:13:43] | devinheitmueller: | Are you really seeing cases where the cards are moving around between boots? |
| [20:14:14] | iamlindoro: | between dev nodes? Yeah, it's a constant problem for non-udev using myth users |
| [20:14:25] | iamlindoro: | non-udev-rule-writing, that is |
| [20:14:32] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [20:15:19] | devinheitmueller: | The PCI enumeration is deterministic, so I find that a bit surprising. Are we talking about multiple PCI devices? Or is it when there are different busses? |
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| [20:15:33] | iamlindoro: | Both, but even just contained within PCI |
| [20:15:38] | devinheitmueller: | interesting. |
| [20:15:41] | devinheitmueller: | I wonder why that is. |
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| [20:16:00] | devinheitmueller: | Do they see it with multiple cards when they are the same model? |
| [20:16:05] | iamlindoro: | I had been under the impression that timing issues at startup affected the order of enumeration |
| [20:16:07] | devinheitmueller: | (like two PVR-150s)? |
| [20:16:20] | iamlindoro: | yes, AFAIK |
| [20:16:42] | justinh: | yeah even cards of the same model can wind up in a different order at boot |
| [20:16:43] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the timing on the initialization itself can effect the order in which the devices are created. |
| [20:16:45] | iamlindoro: | If everything always came up in the same order, we wouldn't have near the problem we do today |
| [20:16:47] | devinheitmueller: | interesting. |
| [20:17:11] | jams: | my pvr-500's flipped around all the time until a udev rule was created |
| [20:17:15] | iamlindoro: | which as it stands is myth randomly connecting the wrong lineups/sources to the wrong cards |
| [20:17:18] | devinheitmueller: | I have to admit, I may own something like 17 tuners, but I rarely have more than one installed a the same time. |
| [20:17:27] | justinh: | back in the day when everything was just a part on the memory map... ahh those were the days |
| [20:17:45] | devinheitmueller: | :-/ |
| [20:18:11] | iamlindoro: | autodetect is obviously secondary to myth just surviving a reboot |
| [20:18:13] | devinheitmueller: | jams: did you have more than one PVR-500, or do you mean the two tuners on a single PVR-500 moved around? |
| [20:18:26] | jams: | 2 cards..total of 4 tuners |
| [20:18:36] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [20:18:37] | backslash7: | I'm just using tv_grab_ch_search to get my channels in XML format, will this include the frequency table for my analog line so I will able to watch TV and actually receive my channels? |
| [20:18:43] | backslash7: | Or just the data & time of a program |
| [20:18:50] | jams: | the cards flipped, but the tuners on the cards always came up in the same order |
| [20:19:01] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: frequency table is set in mythtv-setup, not by your grabber |
| [20:19:04] | justinh: | backslash7: you won't get tuning info |
| [20:19:08] | jams: | if that made any sense |
| [20:19:09] | devinheitmueller: | jams: ok, that makes some sense then. I would have been confused if the tuners on a given card reversed order. |
| [20:19:18] | backslash7: | Okay. |
| [20:19:21] | justinh: | and FYI analogue scanning is borked in 0.22 apparently |
| [20:19:29] | backslash7: | Uh... I noticed that :P |
| [20:19:37] | backslash7: | That's why I'm fiddeling around with listings |
| [20:19:43] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:19:49] | backslash7: | Can anybody tell me how I can get my tuning info? |
| [20:19:56] | justinh: | xawtv? |
| [20:20:02] | backslash7: | I just wanna watch TV :( |
| [20:20:03] | jams: | devinheitmueller- wasn't a real problem until I started using composite input on just one of the cards. |
| [20:20:11] | backslash7: | xawtv? |
| [20:20:13] | iamlindoro: | Set the frequency table right, import your channels from your listings source, done |
| [20:20:14] | justinh: | hmm I'm in a remarkably good mood everything considered |
| [20:20:16] | jams: | but anyway..just saying it happens =) |
| [20:20:24] | devinheitmueller: | jams: yeah, I hear you. If you have all four tuners plugged into the same source you are less likely to notice. |
| [20:20:30] | justinh: | iamlindoro: that won't give him the info he needs to be able to tune said channels though |
| [20:20:42] | backslash7: | iamlindoro: How do I get information for the frequency table? |
| [20:20:46] | justinh: | iamlindoro: xmltv doesn't give us freq. info |
| [20:20:48] | backslash7: | Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions |
| [20:21:14] | justinh: | not stupid |
| [20:21:21] | justinh: | xawtv is a tv viewing app for linux |
| [20:21:22] | backslash7: | just... what |
| [20:21:25] | justinh: | it can scan |
| [20:21:36] | iamlindoro: | justinh: AFAIK it doesn't need to-- set the frequency table right in myth, fetch the channels from the listings source (which are just whole number values mapped to the frequency table you've set) and should be set, no? |
| [20:21:40] | backslash7: | And tell me the frequencies? |
| [20:21:56] | justinh: | iamlindoro: in europe, channel numbers != frequencies necessarily |
| [20:22:02] | backslash7: | iamlindoro: but how do I get these frequencies |
| [20:22:04] | backslash7: | mythtv used to scan it in 0.21 |
| [20:22:04] | justinh: | backslash7: yeah I think so |
| [20:22:19] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: you don't *import* frequencies, myth has hardcoded frequency tables |
| [20:22:20] | justinh: | backslash7: do you still have the 0.21 db ? |
| [20:22:23] | iamlindoro: | ie europe-west |
| [20:22:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro: channel numbers don't come with xmltv either |
| [20:22:50] | iamlindoro: | Well that's your dodgy grabber's fault ;) |
| [20:23:01] | justinh: | providers differ too much |
| [20:23:02] | backslash7: | justinh: I could find it again yes but is there no other way? |
| [20:23:12] | justinh: | backslash7: not without using another app |
| [20:23:17] | backslash7: | I don't mind |
| [20:23:32] | backslash7: | xawtv you said |
| [20:23:48] | justinh: | or downgrade to 0.21 with a new db, scan, dump the channel table & then upgrade. heh |
| [20:24:02] | backslash7: | definitely not enough time for that right now lo. |
| [20:24:10] | backslash7: | oh man this sucls |
| [20:24:11] | backslash7: | k |
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| [20:27:55] | justinh: | samsung spinpoint 1TB HDDs at ebuyer for £62 (!) |
| [20:29:26] | justinh: | maybe I'm gonna need a laptop hdd with accelerometers in future |
| [20:31:07] | justinh: | wow. wth is up with my 0.21 backend. it's falling over at 18.30pm at least once a week these days |
| [20:31:19] | justinh: | ever since the retune business the other week |
| [20:32:14] | justinh: | just seen the email from monit |
| [20:33:43] | backslash7: | I found a frequency table of my local TV provider with the MHz on it, does that help? |
| [20:33:50] | justinh: | yup |
| [20:34:31] | justinh: | configure your channel lineup with xmltv. then go back into the channel editor & add the frequencies one by one |
| [20:35:00] | backslash7: | Okay... It's still fetching the listings so I'll give it a shot in a couple of minutes |
| [20:35:02] | justinh: | or improvise a script to parse the table & insert the frequencies with that. not what I'd recommend |
| [20:35:31] | backslash7: | I don't know how to insert frequencies by command line |
| [20:35:42] | backslash7: | Could I just fill it into the mysql databse myself? |
| [20:35:49] | justinh: | you don't do it on the command line |
| [20:36:01] | justinh: | backslash7: we don't recommend people do that here |
| [20:36:14] | justinh: | mythweb isn't a bad way to do it |
| [20:36:27] | backslash7: | I mean I can't even scan for channels how much worse can it get ;) </sarcasm> |
| [20:36:38] | backslash7: | True |
| [20:36:42] | backslash7: | mythweb is pretty neat |
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| [20:37:01] | Cardoe_: | justinh: mythweb is missing 1 field for QAM256 channels |
| [20:37:06] | backslash7: | thanks a lot for your time justinh and all the other folks |
| [20:37:12] | backslash7: | brb |
| [20:37:21] | justinh: | Cardoe_: it'll be fine for analogue cable though :) |
| [20:37:27] | Cardoe_: | yeah |
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| [20:44:54] | xaxes: | hey there |
| [20:45:32] | xaxes: | Id read about mythtv 21.2 has upnp enabled.. but I cant find any configuration / upnp-server in network.. please give me a hint where to look at |
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| [20:48:16] | jams: | xaxes- it's auto enabled when the MBE ip is not 127.0.0.1 |
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| [20:49:59] | jan2600: | Hi, just upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22 and mythtv no longer records... All recordings are 376 bytes. |
| [20:50:18] | jan2600: | I've googled all the suspicious looking lines in the log, but so far no success.. |
| [20:52:18] | jan2600: | It's DVB-S, all tuners, input sources and channels have been deleted and added again from scratch |
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| [20:53:01] | iamlindoro: | Did you upgrade your distro at the same time? |
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| [20:54:33] | jan2600: | Parts of it.. It's a gentoo system and I update it regularly. |
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| [20:54:59] | iamlindoro: | It's a lot more likely that distro upgrades resulted in this than Myth upgrades |
| [20:55:08] | martint: | is there a room for general linux commands help on here??? need to do a mass rename of file to remove something... |
| [20:55:20] | iamlindoro: | martint: ##linux? |
| [20:55:23] | iamlindoro: | or #yourdistro |
| [20:55:28] | martint: | kk... |
| [20:55:30] | iamlindoro: | or #perl |
| [20:55:48] | GreyFoxx: | p |
| [20:55:56] | iamlindoro: | q |
| [20:56:23] | GreyFoxx: | r |
| [20:56:31] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [20:56:35] | iamlindoro: | ok, ok |
| [20:56:44] | iamlindoro: | let's break the vicious cycle :) |
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| [20:57:38] | xaxes: | jams: what is the mbe? |
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| [20:57:48] | iamlindoro: | Master Backend |
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| [20:58:00] | xaxes: | ah ok .. :) |
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| [20:58:23] | xaxes: | mbe is 127.0.0.1 ;) would it better to use the eth0-ip, or would this be the same? |
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| [21:00:40] | iamlindoro: | You need a "real" (non-loopback) IP |
| [21:00:43] | justinh: | just been out walking the dog. cop car was trawling the streets apparently looking for somebody. saw the somebodys, bumped into the coppers again. told em. result |
| [21:00:46] | iamlindoro: | an IP on your local network is fine |
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| [21:02:24] | xaxes: | iamlindoro: sorry, but I cant find the config-files .. can you tell me please.. or is everything in the db? |
| [21:02:30] | iamlindoro: | all in the DB |
| [21:02:40] | iamlindoro: | IP information set in mythtv-setup |
| [21:03:01] | xaxes: | okay, thanks |
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| [21:03:05] | xaxes: | goonna look for :) |
| [21:03:07] | xaxes: | brb |
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| [21:05:00] | jan2600: | iamlindoro: what could be wrong in my distro then ? in myth tuning works and receiving EIT works, but no video. Recording on the cmdline with szap works though. |
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| [21:10:16] | justinh: | jan2600: all kinds can go wrong but it's good to confirm the hardware works |
| [21:10:41] | justinh: | jan2600: check in mythtv-setup that the card config is correct etc |
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| [21:12:05] | xaxes: | iamlindoro: anything else to set up? I told mythbackend my local eth0 address, and the error about disabling upnp doesnt receive anymore.. but I cant find media server from laptop.. should I adjust ports? |
| [21:13:00] | jan2600: | justinh: I've removed the tuner, input sources, channels etc.. and re-added them. Nothing worked before I did that. |
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| [21:13:39] | justinh: | re-added.. as in rescanned? |
| [21:13:42] | mag0o: | anyone familiar with secptre digital tvs? |
| [21:13:45] | jan2600: | justinh: But now, e.g. when I go into LiveTV, I can see that tuning works (LAMC appears). Also the guide gets filled in by EIT, so myth is able to get that data |
| [21:14:35] | jan2600: | justinh: Yes, I let it scan a few transports and the channels were properly found |
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| [21:17:24] | justinh: | jan2600: anything juicy in the backend log? |
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| [21:18:20] | justinh: | eew those sceptre tvs are fug-lee |
| [21:18:42] | jan2600: | justinh: a few things, but they also were in 0.21 and didn't seem to affect anything |
| [21:18:56] | jan2600: | justinh: DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0) Warning: Unsupported fec_inner parameter. |
| [21:19:08] | jan2600: | justinh: DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks |
| [21:19:18] | justinh: | normal driver junk I guess |
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| [21:20:33] | justinh: | without seeing more log it's hard to say |
| [21:20:37] | justinh: | (in a pastebin) |
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| [21:22:42] | justinh: | does anybody have 50p to put in the meter at Freenode? |
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| [21:24:27] | jan2600: | justinh: Stream #0 pid(0x203) type(video-mpeg2 0x2) |
| [21:24:28] | jan2600: | Stream #1 pid(0x58) type(audio-mp2-layer[1,2,3] 0x4) |
| [21:24:28] | jan2600: | ISO-639 Language: code(dut) canonical(dut) eng(Dutch; Flemish) |
| [21:24:37] | jan2600: | crap |
| [21:24:47] | jan2600: | justinh: http://pastebin.com/m70d52991 |
| [21:26:02] | backslash7: | Is freqid the column where I'm supposed to enter the frequency? In mythweb |
| [21:26:25] | backslash7: | And channum is blank, is that okay? |
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| [21:26:43] | xaxes: | aargh.. thanks for your help.. but I think it depends on my local network, have two subnets =\ .. see ya |
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| [21:27:04] | justinh: | backslash7: see the column called FREQID ? ;-) |
| [21:27:20] | justinh: | put the frequency in there (in khz IIRC) |
| [21:27:55] | justinh: | or I think you can use actual frequency 'channel' numbers e.g. E23 or whatever |
| [21:28:19] | justinh: | channum should be what would normally be the channel number on the cable lineup |
| [21:28:38] | backslash7: | I have a table from my provider with columns like CH and CC both containing two-digit numbers |
| [21:28:48] | backslash7: | Not all of them have a CC though |
| [21:28:49] | justinh: | never really used analogue. I tried it once |
| [21:29:04] | backslash7: | two- to three-digit actually |
| [21:29:09] | backslash7: | ok... ill try |
| [21:30:03] | backslash7: | freqid is varchar(10) so it's most likely the EXY thing |
| [21:30:12] | backslash7: | E12 or so |
| [21:30:17] | justinh: | frequid is the actual frequency field |
| [21:30:38] | backslash7: | .. |
| [21:30:47] | backslash7: | do I have to fill in the channum field? |
| [21:30:48] | justinh: | e.g. 4000000 (khz) or the short code thing (like E12 or whatever) |
| [21:30:58] | justinh: | backslash7: if you want channels to have numbers you do yeah |
| [21:31:08] | justinh: | and it's kind of an advantage to have |
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| [21:36:19] | backslash7: | oh what a pita |
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| [21:36:34] | backslash7: | I have like tons of invisible buttons in my "video source" window in mythtv-setup |
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| [21:37:46] | justinh: | time to install those fonts then |
| [21:38:13] | justinh: | or try it on a decent resolution, or at the right aspect |
| [21:38:17] | backslash7: | justinh: I already fetched my channels with tv_grab_ch_search and added the resulting xml file to mythfilldatabase --file 1 file.xml (my first and only sourceid) |
| [21:38:40] | backslash7: | justinh: fonts look perfect, resolution is 720p, fits perfectly except these invisible buttons |
| [21:38:54] | backslash7: | justinh: could you tell me how to tell mythtv to use the channels in the database? |
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| [21:41:16] | backslash7: | my channel editor is empty |
| [21:41:40] | backslash7: | i even just tried setting up a new input connection with mythtv's xmltv grabber but it's still empty and tells me to add channels |
| [21:41:54] | backslash7: | argh now theyre gone again in mythweb |
| [21:42:30] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: ok, I had some discussion with mkrufky on some various ways we can deal with this UUID issue. I will see if I can come up with a proposal, and put you on the CC since I would definitely be interested in how consumers of the interface feel about it. |
| [21:42:53] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Absolutely, I would love to at least be a spectator to that |
| [21:43:06] | iamlindoro: | gbee ^^ maybe an interest |
| [21:43:07] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [21:43:15] | iamlindoro: | oh damn, he's not here |
| [21:43:51] | devinheitmueller: | Hey, is anybody else having trouble with VDPAU crapping out intermittently? |
| [21:44:20] | Dagmar: | I'm not having it (not using it) but I am pretty sure you're not alone. |
| [21:44:24] | backslash7: | i never should have upgraded to fucking 0.22 this sucks badly... thank you so much for your time justinh but screw this for now |
| [21:44:30] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: There's an open ticket re: 30% failure rate on VDPAU playback |
| [21:44:38] | devinheitmueller: | I setup a box with the current trunk a few weeks ago, and just got around to using it. Seems like sometimes watching livetv just doesn't work. |
| [21:44:40] | devinheitmueller: | Really? |
| [21:44:49] | Dagmar: | All I can say for certain is that it might be the power saving stuff screwing you up |
| [21:44:56] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm... ok, well that's *really* good to know. I was worried a bit it might have been my tuner card. |
| [21:45:05] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: It seems to only happen for certain people/certain hardware, but Mark (who wrote a lot of the VDPAU code) is mid-tracking it down |
| [21:45:30] | devinheitmueller: | When you say 30% failure rate, do you mean that for 30% of the population it fails 100% of the time, or do you mean that 100% of the population is seeing failure 30% of the time. |
| [21:45:41] | devinheitmueller: | Because at least in my case, it works *sometimes*. |
| [21:45:44] | iamlindoro: | I'm saying for a minority of the population it fails 30% of the time |
| [21:45:48] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [21:45:52] | devinheitmueller: | interesting. |
| [21:46:06] | Dagmar: | Someone was making a compelling argument the other night about when the CPU gets downclocked to save power, so does the memory bus, which consequently starves VDPAU |
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| [21:46:30] | devinheitmueller: | I was all excited since I was finally going to build myself a production MythTV box, and was unpleasantly surprised. |
| [21:46:38] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: For background on the issue You can look at the "30% of the time" thread on -dev/commits |
| [21:46:57] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I was going to ask for a ticket number. |
| [21:47:00] | Cardoe_: | devinheitmueller: ticket #7611 sounr about right? |
| [21:47:01] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
| [21:47:04] | iamlindoro: | seems to mostly affet those with the lower power VDPAU hardware, but that's just a conclusion I've drawn and not necessarily the case |
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| [21:47:08] | ** devinheitmueller looks. ** | |
| [21:47:44] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that looks about right. I cannot say 100% since I don't have the logs in front of me, but I think that's it. |
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| [21:48:04] | devinheitmueller: | Awesome. Well at least it's not my crap. |
| [21:48:22] | Cardoe_: | I've got an ASRock Ion 330 setup |
| [21:48:23] | mauijoe: | aloha, I need some help whith channel scanning. |
| [21:48:24] | Cardoe_: | and it happens on it |
| [21:48:34] | iamlindoro: | Well, back to making MythVideo's cast handling suck less |
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| [21:48:48] | Cardoe_: | but interestingly enough my friend with the same exact hardware and same distro and same config doesn't get it |
| [21:48:51] | devinheitmueller: | thanks for the info. |
| [21:49:35] | iamlindoro: | Cardoe_: out of curiosity, same window management? |
| [21:49:46] | Cardoe_: | should be |
| [21:49:52] | Cardoe_: | we're both using Mythbuntu on that box |
| [21:50:11] | iamlindoro: | interesting... the transitory nature of it "feels" like a video or system memory management issue, so was just curious |
| [21:52:11] | devinheitmueller: | The CPU downclocking theory is interesting, since when I was doing 950q work a few weeks ago I had not seen the issue, but I had been rebooting repeatedly. In this case the box had been powered up and idle for a couple of days before I tried it. |
| [21:52:57] | sphery: | 30% ticket -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7493 |
| [21:53:49] | devinheitmueller: | hmm... My case I thought actually looked a little more like 7611. |
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| [21:55:02] | devinheitmueller: | ... in particular the "Failed to initialise VDPAU" and the mythfrontend hanging. |
| [21:55:31] | darkfrog: | I seem to be having trouble with my HD-PVR. I keep getting Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument on the mythbackend...has anyone seen this before? |
| [21:55:32] | stefanj: | hello – anybody know if Mythbrowser will (or does) support XSLT ? |
| [21:56:27] | wagnerrp: | stefanj: mythbrowser is webkit based, so it should do anything other webkit browsers will do |
| [21:56:50] | iamlindoro: | darkfrog: did you set "always start on channel:" in mythtv-setup? |
| [21:56:58] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro: yes |
| [21:57:01] | iamlindoro: | Why? |
| [21:57:07] | iamlindoro: | Because that's when you broke it ;) |
| [21:57:16] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro: ...seemed like the thing to do? :o So leave it blank? |
| [21:57:20] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [21:57:29] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro: hehe...thank you. :) |
| [21:57:29] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: I'd guess the -v playback in #7493 is suppressing that message |
| [21:57:45] | stefanj: | I have just created a xslt style sheet which works in firefox, but not in Mythbrowser |
| [21:58:12] | devinheitmueller: | Well, now that I'm looking at 7611, it was a few weeks ago that I updated the trunk, so maybe I am inside the window in which the bug supposedly was there. |
| [21:58:13] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: i.e. the message is in important or general but because the log in #7493 used -v playback and excluded important,general , you don't see it |
| [21:58:23] | iamlindoro: | http://englich.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/xsl-t-and-qt/ |
| [21:58:29] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: ah, entirely possible. |
| [21:58:41] | iamlindoro: | In short, if your QTWebKit is < 4.5, you may not have XSLT capability |
| [21:59:02] | devinheitmueller: | I only killed about ten minutes investigating, so I hadn't tried updating to the latest trunk yet or doing any real debugging. |
| [21:59:04] | stefanj: | ah....thanks |
| [21:59:19] | iamlindoro: | and not even complete, then |
| [21:59:42] | iamlindoro: | full XSLT 2.0 will be in 4.6, which isn't out |
| [21:59:59] | stefanj: | 4.5.3 |
| [22:00:07] | iamlindoro: | Then you have partial compatibility |
| [22:00:46] | sphery: | darkfrog: "Preset tuner to channel: Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card. If so, you will need to specify the preset channel for the signal (normally 3 or 4)." |
| [22:00:57] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery already said that |
| [22:00:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a already said that trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [22:01:23] | iamlindoro: | except, you know, without all the exact correct settings names ;) |
| [22:01:46] | sphery: | yeah, and without the help text that explicitly says to leave it blank :) |
| [22:01:58] | antgel: | lirc question – does irw repeat exactly what's coming from the hardware, or what lirc passes onto the app? |
| [22:02:09] | iamlindoro: | I told him to leave it blank! And I'm better than help text |
| [22:02:11] | iamlindoro: | because of my charming personality |
| [22:02:27] | devinheitmueller: | I'm actually a little surprised the mythbackend even issued a tuning request to the HD-PVR at all, since it's capabilities indicates it doesn't have a tuner. |
| [22:02:46] | sphery: | antgel: irw interprets button presses according to button definitions in lircd.conf, not according to button mappings in ~/.lircrc |
| [22:02:51] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Oh, you'd be surprised at the silly stuff it'll do |
| [22:02:52] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [22:02:56] | devinheitmueller: | hhe |
| [22:02:58] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
| [22:02:58] | iamlindoro: | where it = mythbackend |
| [22:02:58] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [22:03:00] | antgel: | because the direction pad on my RM200 control is far too sensitive – irw reports loads of events for even a small press, and myth is behaving funny because of that. i have delay and repeat set to 0, but it's not happening for me |
| [22:03:25] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: it's the "Do what the user says instead of assuming we're smarter than the user" approach to development |
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| [22:03:49] | iamlindoro: | Which is not always the right thing to do |
| [22:03:54] | iamlindoro: | sometimes we *are* smarter than the user |
| [22:03:54] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: well, in this case it's "do what it says assuming we're smarter than the device driver". |
| [22:03:58] | iamlindoro: | s/sometimes/usually/ |
| [22:04:26] | iamlindoro: | specifially, the spinbox shouldn't appear at all if the driver reports no tuner |
| [22:05:15] | iamlindoro: | And if I hadn't already been burned on the whole setup topic this week, maybe I'd put my money where my mouth is :) |
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| [22:05:56] | antgel: | sphery: ah. ^^ that's really interesting. so irw doesn't know about my repeat/delay settings in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
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| [22:06:36] | ** devinheitmueller makes sure the hd-pvr doesn't advertise having a tuner in its capabilities.... ** | |
| [22:06:41] | sphery: | antgel: nope |
| [22:06:57] | antgel: | sphery: that makes it a bit hard to debug myth :( |
| [22:06:58] | devinheitmueller: | Nope. The driver is doing what it's supposed to. |
| [22:07:02] | sphery: | those are per-program mappings, not button defs--irw shows youall button events |
| [22:07:11] | sphery: | what's the issue? |
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| [22:07:36] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I don't doubt that-- however, I somewhat expect we're not parsing the capabilities at all |
| [22:07:39] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, we don't check "does this device have a tuner and if not, ignore user's invalid config" |
| [22:07:51] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's what I figured. |
| [22:07:55] | antgel: | sphery: even a relatively short tap on e.g. the right arrow produces output like http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1678407 |
| [22:07:59] | iamlindoro: | Setup is a sore subject for me right now |
| [22:08:09] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: so we just try, the drivers says, "it didn't work," we give the user an error, they fix the config |
| [22:08:10] | mauijoe: | both dvb-apps and mythtv channel scan report tunning failed for all astc channels. lspci sees both of my pchdatv3000 cards. ran modprobe cx8802 and modprobe cx88-dvb just to be sure. Still get tunning failure. What am I missing? |
| [22:08:18] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: ok. |
| [22:08:21] | antgel: | sphery: in myth, the menus and program guide are so unresponsive unless i'm careful to really tap the arrows lightly |
| [22:08:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and, yeah, /that's/ the right fix--fix setup to prevent the invalid config--don't try to outthink the user when there's a broken config |
| [22:08:52] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
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| [22:09:16] | iamlindoro: | and if devinheitmueller manages to get UUIDs per-device worked out, in addition to being my hero, we can really get snazzy setup going |
| [22:09:32] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I see all sorts of room for improvement here. |
| [22:09:40] | sphery: | antgel: sending 2 button presses, so when you hit right it goes right, then right (back to where you started)--i.e. in Watch Recordings with some layouts, like default |
| [22:10:20] | iamlindoro: | Though I expect the "kernel 2.3.40 or later" requirement will take a long, long, long time for use to convince certain people around here about |
| [22:10:20] | antgel: | sphery: even in the programme guide it's crap. let me bring it up on screen so i can explain further, 1 sec |
| [22:10:26] | iamlindoro: | er 2.6.40 |
| [22:10:34] | devinheitmueller: | I really should kill a weekend and just go through *all* my tuners and see what issues there are. |
| [22:11:00] | sphery: | antgel: if so, it could be a) configure your remote to support Hulu Desktop with --release and so it's doubling your events or b) invalid toggle bit settings in /etc/lircd.conf or c) invalid gap in /etc/lircrc.conf |
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| [22:11:27] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I dunno. I think that'll solve lots of support problems. |
| [22:11:56] | Dagmar: | We just gotta make sure we keep that number higher than the currently released kernel. |
| [22:12:04] | iamlindoro: | The odds of us requiring a kernel that is less than two years old are extremely slim |
| [22:12:15] | iamlindoro: | (once it were available) |
| [22:12:32] | iamlindoro: | Which means having an old manual mode setup and a "new hotness" setup side by side, yuck |
| [22:12:35] | sphery: | antgel: your gap should be in the multiple 100K range, so if it's 100000, try changing it to 250000 or even 500000 and see if it helps |
| [22:12:35] | Dagmar: | Dude, I don't know if you've noticed, but 2.6.40 is better than just less than two years old. :) |
| [22:12:44] | iamlindoro: | Well aware of that |
| [22:12:48] | Dagmar: | It's -90day warez at least |
| [22:13:00] | sphery: | antgel: those values won't be right, but you can reduce them after finding that it prevents dups until you find the right setting |
| [22:13:10] | iamlindoro: | Projecting out into a theoretical future where UUID per device capability even exists |
| [22:13:10] | antgel: | sphery: a) is greek to me, b) and c) i can check |
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| [22:13:30] | iamlindoro: | even on 0 day, you've still got a few years to wait before the Myth powers that be would allow it as a minimum |
| [22:13:32] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, if it gets bundled into the first cut of the mc framework, it may be sonner than that. |
| [22:13:52] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: You know you get me all hot and bothered when you talk like that |
| [22:13:54] | devinheitmueller: | ... and it will be controlled as a #define, so you can #ifdef in the smarter code. |
| [22:14:11] | devinheitmueller: | #ifdef HAVE_LINUX_MC_FRAMEWORK. ... |
| [22:14:11] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, it's just the bloat that makes me sad |
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| [22:14:15] | iamlindoro: | Totally doable |
| [22:14:38] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, once you cross that point, you set the minimum supported kernel and then get rid of all the legacy code. |
| [22:14:40] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: What is your timeline for the framework, anyway? |
| [22:14:56] | antgel: | sphery: okay, in the programme guide, when i press "down" hard, it goes down two channels and stops. is this looking like the gap parameter? |
| [22:14:58] | devinheitmueller: | I'm hoping to put something out for review in the next 60 days. |
| [22:15:15] | antgel: | sphery: btw, i am using the contrib lircd.conf for my remote *shrug* |
| [22:15:16] | iamlindoro: | neat |
| [22:16:07] | devinheitmueller: | I actually have a working prototype, but the big problem is because it's a new framework and we're going to have to live with it for a very long time, it has be be extensible enough for future stuff while not being released in 2030. |
| [22:16:15] | antgel: | just pressed "down" hard again, this time it went down one channel and stopped. there's no pattern to this behaviour |
| [22:16:38] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: sure, I totally understand... better to take your time now than regret it in the future |
| [22:16:48] | sphery: | antgel: I'd start with gap--it's the easiest to change/guess |
| [22:16:57] | devinheitmueller: | Well, in this context, I'm the gas and Hans is the brake. |
| [22:17:08] | sphery: | antgel: remember to restart lircd /and/ your clients when you change /etc/lircd.conf |
| [22:17:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [22:18:39] | tzanger: | good evening |
| [22:18:52] | tzanger: | I picked up a mediagate MG800HD for testing |
| [22:19:03] | tzanger: | so far it's not bad, detects myth just fine and can play the content, something my brother's popcorn hour couldn't do |
| [22:19:27] | tzanger: | is there anything in the upnp/media gateway spec that would allow myth to share the cutpoints so I could get commercial skipping with these kinds of frontends? |
| [22:19:50] | iamlindoro: | popcorn hour should be fine in .22, BTW :) |
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| [22:20:52] | iamlindoro: | Theoretically the uPnP controlpoint stuff should allow the server the present the user with a minimal interface, and turning on commercial skip is *theoretically* doable too AIUI (but a lot of work that nobody has done yet) |
| [22:22:06] | antgel: | sphery: no improvement, worse if anything. should it actually scroll the programme guide down when i hold "down" down? |
| [22:22:08] | mchou: | tzanger: where did you get the mg800hd? |
| [22:22:26] | antgel: | and i can't find documentation on "gap" |
| [22:22:31] | justinh: | antgel: if you run irw how many lines do you see per button press? |
| [22:22:52] | justinh: | and it's not gap you want to mess with in lircd.conf it's DELAY and REPEAT |
| [22:23:09] | justinh: | delay & repeat in lircrc or .lircrc NOT lircd.conf |
| [22:23:23] | tzanger: | mchou: local computer store here, didn't intend on buying it but saw it on the shelf and wondered how good it would do |
| [22:23:43] | tzanger: | it does a much better job playing the mpeg2-hd streams that mythtv records than my little am2 frontend |
| [22:23:48] | mchou: | tzanger: you didn't go for WD live? |
| [22:23:51] | antgel: | justinh: loads of lines as per my pastebin ^^. delay and repeat are currently set to 0 |
| [22:24:20] | tzanger: | mchou: didn't have one there, and as I said I really wasn't looking for it |
| [22:24:29] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: hmm interesting, okay |
| [22:24:31] | mchou: | tzanger: ok, fair enough |
| [22:24:59] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: so the upnp frontend needs to request commercial skip? can I hack in "always skip" for the backend? |
| [22:25:28] | tzanger: | mchou: is the wd live the recommended upnp fronend these days? |
| [22:25:47] | justinh: | antgel: so you need to read the lirc docs & experiment with different values :) |
| [22:25:48] | mchou: | tzanger: no, just asking is all |
| [22:26:13] | mchou: | tzanger: for $120 I dont think that's a bad unit |
| [22:26:24] | tzanger: | mchou: indeed, I remember reading about this thing now |
| [22:26:36] | iamlindoro: | tzanger: No, it'd be a boatload of work to get commercial skip going via upnp |
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| [22:26:41] | tzanger: | I wonder what another $150 buys the MG800HD |
| [22:26:48] | antgel: | justinh: i read the docs. will try again and maybe parse them this time |
| [22:26:49] | iamlindoro: | (or we'd have an option for it already) |
| [22:27:01] | mchou: | tzanger: yeah, pretty feature packed.... |
| [22:27:11] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: interesting... is the upnp spec a fairly straightforward read? I wouldn't mind looking into this a little more |
| [22:27:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro: til UPNP lives up the the first word of its name & supports embedded seektables :D |
| [22:27:47] | iamlindoro: | tzanger: I haven't read the spec, I just know the basics/named parts, so can't speak to how easy a read it is-- improvements to the server are always welcome, thgouh |
| [22:27:54] | mchou: | tzanger: nah I think some suggested implement skip as next tract :) |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | someone* |
| [22:28:08] | mchou: | track* |
| [22:28:15] | antgel: | repeat = 5, delay |
| [22:28:18] | antgel: | doh |
| [22:28:21] | mauijoe: | I have a new build of suse 11.2, mythtv .22 and channel tuning fails under both myth and dvb-apps for pchdtv 3000. What to do? |
| [22:28:24] | tzanger: | mchou: wdlive isn't 1080p for all formats, at least from my understanding of the spec page. mpeg2 (what I usually play since it's what I record ota) is 1080i |
| [22:28:33] | mchou: | tzanger: which isn't necessarily unreasonable |
| [22:28:42] | iamlindoro: | tzanger: Mark Kendall has done some work on the uPnp server lately which he has not yet committed, but I think he even had a basic UI going... it might be worth seeing what he has done/how it might interface with anything you might like to do |
| [22:28:54] | justinh: | mauijoe: if it doesn't work in dvb-apps you have no chance getting mythtv to work with it |
| [22:28:55] | antgel: | repeat = 5, delay = 10 worked well first time! \o/ another snippet for my upcoming blog on "shiznit i had to frick around with to get myth 0.22 running on my hardware" |
| [22:28:56] | tzanger: | no it's not :-) |
| [22:28:58] | tzanger: | I should take a closer look |
| [22:29:16] | iamlindoro: | tzanger: mark_k in #mythtv, usually around in the evenings of North America (he's in Asia) |
| [22:29:20] | tzanger: | I'm certainly not in love with the mg800hd it was an impulse buy and a desire to help bring up the WAF of the setup :-) |
| [22:29:34] | tzanger: | iamlindoro: excellent, thank you |
| [22:29:41] | tzanger: | hell I'm still running a very old svn trunk of myth |
| [22:29:44] | mauijoe: | my question is how to get it working. Everything worked fine until I had to rebuild my box because of a HD failure |
| [22:29:45] | mchou: | tzanger: how long have you had it? |
| [22:29:46] | tzanger: | might be worth an upgrade :-) |
| [22:29:51] | tzanger: | mchou: uh... 30 minutes :-) |
| [22:29:55] | mchou: | haha |
| [22:30:03] | justinh: | mauijoe: first of all look in dmesg for clues |
| [22:30:08] | mchou: | that's not enough time to judge |
| [22:30:21] | mauijoe: | the box sees the cards and the modules appeare to be loaded |
| [22:30:26] | justinh: | check dev nodes are created. see if it's looking to load firmware etc |
| [22:30:27] | tzanger: | mchou: absolutely right but if a wdlive is half the price and gives similar performance... |
| [22:30:42] | tzanger: | hell $300 can buy an atom sff system that can probably be a real frontend without any playing around with minimyth |
| [22:30:43] | mchou: | tzanger: agreed |
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| [22:31:02] | mchou: | tzanger: there's no way I'd buy atom |
| [22:31:28] | mchou: | tzanger: intel & nvidia would have to pay me :) |
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| [22:32:51] | oobe: | is there a way to easliy obtain the svn revision number from the mythtv source |
| [22:32:59] | mauijoe: | looks like can't find the firm ware which is in /dev/.udev/firmware-missing/dvb-fe-or51132-vsb.fw. How do I fix this? |
| [22:33:08] | iamlindoro: | svn info |
| [22:33:38] | oobe: | iamlindoro, thanks maybe i can use that for what i want |
| [22:33:45] | iamlindoro: | uhoh |
| [22:33:56] | Dagmar: | mauijoe: You install the correct firmware into the proper directory, mainly |
| [22:33:58] | iamlindoro: | you're not going to like... script and parse svn info, are you? |
| [22:35:04] | oobe: | sort of i just want to get the build number the put it into my build script each time so when it makes the packages they have the revision number |
| [22:35:19] | martint: | wheres the best place to get information theme development.... I want to try and customise a mythvideo theme |
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| [22:35:37] | mauijoe: | not sure how to install firmware. do not remeber ever having to do this b4 |
| [22:35:38] | oobe: | i need to mess around with sed which i find awkward at times |
| [22:36:06] | Dagmar: | mauijoe: Google can help you there |
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| [22:36:27] | mauijoe: | where does the firmware need to be? can I just copy the one I have or point to that directory? |
| [22:36:28] | justinh: | also the linuxtv.org wiki |
| [22:36:34] | tzanger: | mchou: really? why? |
| [22:36:34] | justinh: | /lib/firmware generally |
| [22:36:56] | justinh: | some distros may vary |
| [22:37:01] | mchou: | tzanger: underpowered, and nvidia is roach motel |
| [22:37:21] | mchou: | tzanger: too much frustration |
| [22:37:56] | Dagmar: | mauijoe: If they "what I have" is actually the correct firmware, I'd be asking why it wasn't put into the right place automatically |
| [22:37:59] | mchou: | tzanger: HW blu-ray decoder gives better PQ too |
| [22:38:21] | mchou: | tzanger: hence the preference right now for NMTs |
| [22:39:19] | Dagmar: | tzanger: Just keep in mind you're taking advice from mchou |
| [22:41:05] | mchou: | Dagmar: if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide them. Otherwise lay off the ad hominem innuendo |
| [22:41:38] | justinh: | speaking of NMTs.. somebody at work bought one the other week & it's UI actually doesn't suck too bad at all |
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| [22:42:40] | sphery: | antgel: if you go up to 500K, it won't really scroll--or will do so /extremely/ slow. |
| [22:43:11] | sphery: | that's what I meant about not the right values--will have to see if it prevents dups, then reduce to find the right value |
| [22:43:15] | justinh: | pity it's not a patch on mythfrontend for categorisation etc. just a frigging big long list :-\ |
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| [22:43:39] | antgel: | sphery: it's cool now, just had to get the repeat and delay sorted. now working like, er, a normal remote control :) |
| [22:43:47] | mauijoe: | thx for the help with the firmware. I dowloaded it from linuxtv and dvb-apps is finding my channels. |
| [22:45:47] | sphery: | antgel: cool |
| [22:46:44] | justinh: | NMTs prolly aren't much cop for the file squirrels of the world either. I mean even their gallery views are like 3x3 or 4x3 grids. no filtering. All a bit meh |
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| [23:15:20] | Keypad: | Hi, I just setup a DVB-T card, and I got everything all setup, but ive noticed the picture breaking up quite a bit. Is there anything I can do to improve this ? |
| [23:16:47] | justinh: | improve the signal quality |
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| [23:19:49] | justinh: | there's a program in the dvb-apps suite called femon which you can run to tell you what shape the signal is in |
| [23:19:51] | tzanger: | nah, I think this mediagate MG800HD is going back tomorrow |
| [23:19:58] | tzanger: | I like my real frontend too much |
| [23:20:05] | tzanger: | maybe I'll get the atom board and go minimyth |
| [23:20:24] | justinh: | it reports signal level, signal to noise ratio (SNR), bit error rate (BER) & uncorrectable error count (UNC) |
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| [23:20:50] | tzanger: | mchou: I don't need much in the way of CPU power, and if the video card's got vdpau that's 90% of it right there |
| [23:21:02] | justinh: | Keypad: BER needs to be as close to 0000 as possible. UNC should also be all zeros |
| [23:21:08] | Keypad: | justinh: in 7 it dident do it no way near as much |
| [23:21:17] | Keypad: | ah k |
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| [23:21:39] | Keypad: | im really happy that I got it working though :) |
| [23:21:42] | mchou: | tzanger: only if you dont get frustrated by vdpau bugs |
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| [23:22:22] | tzanger: | mchou: I've been running minimyth for 3y now, I think vdpau's not gonna be too much worse :-) |
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| [23:23:09] | Keypad: | justinh: could it have anything do with the codecs its using ? |
| [23:23:09] | mchou: | tzanger: dont come complaining later |
| [23:23:11] | tzanger: | I understand what you're warning me about though |
| [23:23:14] | tzanger: | mchou: :-) |
| [23:23:22] | tzanger: | this is the real reason why I went myth anyway |
| [23:23:25] | tzanger: | I want to be able to hack on it |
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| [23:33:08] | justinh: | Keypad: nope. signal quality |
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| [23:34:22] | mauijoe: | when I start mythfrontend I get an update database schema error. I run mythtv-setup, mythfilldatabase, and mythbackend and the DB still does not update the schema. What am I missing? |
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| [23:36:55] | Dibblah: | oobe: Myth build scripts do that anyway. |
| [23:37:11] | Dibblah: | Err... Oops, was scrolled back :) |
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| [23:39:30] | Dibblah: | oobe: libs/libmythdb/version.cpp |
| [23:40:04] | Dibblah: | mauijoe: What's the error? |
| [23:40:08] | Dibblah: | (pastebin) |
| [23:41:25] | mauijoe: | no clues in dmesg only what i see on the frontend gui this version of mythtv requires an updated database schema (version 30 is |
| [23:41:40] | Dagmar: | "this version"... Hmm... |
| [23:41:45] | Dagmar: | You can't mix and match versions |
| [23:42:22] | Dagmar: | You can barely deviate between SVN releases. If you're attempting to say, use 0.22 with anythign with 0.21 anything you're out of luck |
| [23:42:40] | mauijoe: | don't understand. this is a fresh build for suse from packman's repository |
| [23:43:06] | mauijoe: | said .22 |
| [23:43:14] | Dagmar: | So start the backend first |
| [23:43:27] | Dagmar: | ...and then when it errors out, see what it says |
| [23:44:06] | mauijoe: | no errors. last line: 2009-11–19 13:43:27.502 Seem to be woken up by USER |
| [23:44:22] | Dagmar: | Then you have in some way failed to update one of the two 'ends. |
| [23:44:40] | Keypad: | justinh: hmmm |
| [23:44:41] | mauijoe: | i see all the connected to dtabase lines |
| [23:44:51] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i thought the sound chip in my laptop was going bad |
| [23:45:05] | Dagmar: | mauijoe: There are two possibilities here. |
| [23:45:09] | wagnerrp: | turns out it just clips horribly when the master alsa volume >90% |
| [23:45:18] | Dagmar: | 1. You need to report a problem with the binaries to the people you got them from |
| [23:45:34] | Dagmar: | ...or 2. You failed to correctly update both the frontend and the backend. |
| [23:45:58] | Dagmar: | You don't get a schema error from the frontend and not the backend. afaik it's fairly impossible |
| [23:46:20] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Laptop speakers? |
| [23:46:26] | mangus580: | ah.... Dagmar and his wonderful wisdom! |
| [23:46:34] | wagnerrp: | headphones... the speakers are complete crap |
| [23:46:45] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Heh. Sounds like probably it's amp is too |
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| [23:47:03] | wagnerrp: | but my headphones usually sound pretty good, i was worried they were going bad |
| [23:47:14] | Dibblah: | Or, the frontend and the backend are talking to different databases. |
| [23:47:20] | mauijoe: | well i do. i will report bug to the maintainer. meantime. can i just update the front end? |
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| [23:47:35] | mauijoe: | ahhh. that might be |
| [23:47:40] | Dagmar: | It's already been said a couple of times... The frontend and backend need to be running the SAME VERSIONS of the software. |
| [23:47:42] | mauijoe: | how can I check that? |
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| [23:47:54] | Dagmar: | Do you remember setting up a second mysql server? |
| [23:47:58] | Dagmar: | Most people would. |
| [23:48:03] | Dibblah: | Make sure the frontend is not running an SQL server. |
| [23:48:14] | mauijoe: | no, only have one mysql server |
| [23:48:37] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i can bring the volume up to painful levels without problems using the physical volume buttons, but that alsa volume just adds all sort of distortion |
| [23:48:51] | Dibblah: | Does the frontend have plugins that the backend does not? |
| [23:48:54] | Dagmar: | The lack of response every time I mention that the frontend and backend have to be running the same version of MythTV is clear enough. |
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| [23:49:06] | Dibblah: | ... The schemas for those will need to be updated too. |
| [23:49:25] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Sounds pretty clear to me. |
| [23:49:31] | mauijoe: | downloade everything in mythtv repository except for python stuff |
| [23:50:02] | Dibblah: | Okay – So, when you run the frontend, please pastebin the full log. |
| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | why skip the python stuff? i mean youre talking dozens of KB of scripts, compared to a hundred MB source tree |
| [23:51:20] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That's fun. I've not seen a sound chipset that can overdrive it's own output |
| [23:51:26] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, i dont even know how you would get svn to not recurse into a directory |
| [23:51:39] | mauijoe: | http://pastebin.com/m29b46b7a |
| [23:52:28] | Dibblah: | mauijoe: You (or your distro) has specified that the frontend can't update the schema. |
| [23:52:33] | Dagmar: | Did you actually ever fully stop the backend before you did this upgrade? |
| [23:52:34] | Dibblah: | Which is somewhat unusual. |
| [23:52:36] | wagnerrp: | this is a combo machine? fe and be on one box? |
| [23:52:42] | Dagmar: | It's forking impossible, afaik |
| [23:52:54] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: It is not. |
| [23:53:25] | Dibblah: | It's apparently default. |
| [23:53:30] | mauijoe: | fe and be on same box. |
| [23:53:38] | Dibblah: | mauijoe: Can you run mythfrontend -u |
| [23:53:47] | Dagmar: | Dibblah |
| [23:53:48] | wagnerrp: | so theres no chance of having multiple databases |
| [23:54:00] | mauijoe: | new install. ran set-up, backend, then frontend |
| [23:54:09] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: It's now the default that the backend and frontend expect differing schema versions now? |
| [23:54:17] | Dibblah: | Oh god. |
| [23:54:27] | Dibblah: | No, the plugins have individual schema versions. |
| [23:55:02] | wagnerrp: | but 1214 is the primary database revision from 0.21 |
| [23:55:07] | wagnerrp: | not one of the plugins |
| [23:55:15] | Dibblah: | And the DEFAULT for the frontend (which is the ONLY thing that CAN update the plugin schemas) is NOT TO UPDATE the schema. |
| [23:55:23] | wagnerrp: | both mythtv-setup and mythbackend should have attempted a schema update were they actually run |
| [23:55:24] | mauijoe: | sweet. -u did the trick |
| [23:55:34] | Dibblah: | Thank you. |
| [23:55:52] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: Not of the plugins. |
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| [23:56:09] | Dibblah: | Since neither of those know about the plugins. |
| [23:56:19] | Dagmar: | I'm wondering why the backend didn't apparently update the schema |
| [23:56:32] | mauijoe: | now get error on backed |
| [23:56:50] | Dagmar: | mauijoe: So how did you not get the error with the backend before? |
| [23:56:54] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: right, but it was complaining about the primary schema version, not that of one of the plugins |
| [23:56:59] | mauijoe: | no |
| [23:57:10] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, this is probably why I got no response to the question about the versions and so forth |
| [23:57:10] | mauijoe: | The schema version of your existing database is newer than this version of MythTV understands. Please ensure that you have selected the proper database server or upgrade this and all other frontends and backends to the same MythTV version and revision. |
| [23:57:26] | Dagmar: | Im' out |
| [23:57:29] | Dibblah: | You have an old version of mythbackend. |
| [23:57:47] | wagnerrp: | which is why they couldnt manage to update your database when you ran them |
| [23:57:51] | Dibblah: | ls -l `which mythbackend` |
| [23:57:55] | Dagmar: | maujoe: Ignoring things when they don't make sense to you is a GREAT way to have your equipment continue to screw up |
| [23:58:15] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Having a bad day? |
| [23:58:17] | mauijoe: | didn't ignore anything |
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| [23:58:33] | Dagmar: | I could swear I asked if you were sure you actually updated everything many, many lines back |
| [23:58:53] | Dagmar: | Just trying to highlight why its' not already working |
| [23:59:13] | mauijoe: | and i said, it was a new, clean fresh install |
| [23:59:23] | mauijoe: | looks like the binary is foul |
| [23:59:29] | Dagmar: | ...which somehow has old copies of the backend? |
| [23:59:39] | mauijoe: | must be |
| [23:59:43] | Dagmar: | Find the person who made your binaries, and beat them to death. |
| [23:59:50] | Dibblah: | mauijoe: Please run the following: |
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