Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 17th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:31]

ernstp:

S2, here's a bigger log I posted before http://paste.ubuntu.com/320396/

[00:00:37]

ernstp:

S2, about 15

[00:02:49]

S2:

ernstp, no clue.sorry.

[00:02:52]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythtwitter.ogg

[00:03:18]

ernstp:

S2, oki, thanks for having a look

[00:03:19]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@213.171.132.58) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[00:03:44]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:04:04]

ernstp:

S2, do you know if a) you can read EIT from the channel you're watching b) you can scan multiple channels for EIT data at the same time?

[00:04:49]

S2:

a) mythonly scanns eit data when in idle

[00:05:17]

S2:

b) some channels send eit data for other channels as well

[00:05:25]

mikeones (mikeones!n=mikeones@pool-71-252-209-129.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has quit ("leaving")

[00:05:33]

mikeones (mikeones!n=mikeones@pool-71-252-209-129.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:05:34]

ernstp:

S2, true! but I think it did update while watching on my mythbuntu 8.10 setup...

[00:06:14]

S2:

maybe if you have two or more tuners.

[00:06:37]

S2:

i don't think myth scanns eit data while watching. at least mine never did.

[00:07:14]

ernstp:

mine wasn't doing it on mythbuntu 9.04 anyway

[00:08:14]

S2:

is mythubuntu on 0.22?

[00:08:18]

S2:

or 0.21?

[00:09:22]

mathmoi:

s2 : the 9.10 version is on 0.22.

[00:10:12]

S2:

k. i am running 0.22 on hardy and i'm really happy. i won't switch :)

[00:11:03]

ernstp (ernstp!n=ernst@c83-254-157-23.bredband.comhem.se) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[00:11:11]

christ_ (christ_!n=Billybob@CPE00e04b0b7799-CM00111a59bdac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:12:07]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@mithrandir.anu.edu.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:12:59]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has quit ("leaving")

[00:13:03]

CrazyFoam (CrazyFoam!n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[00:13:57]

mathmoi:

When a recording is scheduled, I get a message saying the recorder failes and I find this error in the log file :

[00:14:00]

mathmoi:

2009-11–16 18:59:33.536 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

[00:14:14]

mathmoi:

anyone have an idea to what could be the problem?

[00:16:53]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[00:18:15]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[00:19:44]

nighthawk_ (nighthawk_!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:22:34]

abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@97-119-175-45.albq.qwest.net) has quit ()

[00:25:10]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B97F5B.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:29:31]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:29:50]

christ_ (christ_!n=Billybob@CPE00e04b0b7799-CM00111a59bdac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:30:50]

S2 (S2!n=quassel@host199-110-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:34:03]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:35:23]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:39:43]

nighthawk_ (nighthawk_!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:39:53]

nighthawk_ (nighthawk_!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:40:29]

nighthawk_ is now known as AndrewNC

[00:40:56]

AndrewNC:

I'm getting this output from mythtv-setup -v most when trying to run channel scans http://pastebin.com/m6ba5f91f

[00:44:55]

AndrewNC:

looks the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/452779

[00:45:23]

Dagmar:

There is little point in attempting to scan analog NTSC broadcast frequencies

[00:45:55]

Dagmar:

The problem is much more easily solved by letting the listings service populate the channel database.

[00:46:47]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.207.101.dyn-cm-pool-54.hargray.net) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[00:47:28]

Dagmar:

There's also the small matter of that the cards can't tell if they're seeing a "signal" or just some electrical noise

[00:47:37]

AndrewNC:

so it is an unsupported feature?

[00:47:55]

Dagmar:

I'd say it's a misused feature

[00:48:19]

Dagmar:

It matters for digital channels--those can be identified as a coherent signal by virtue of seeing orderly digital data.

[00:48:54]

cocoa117 (cocoa117!n=cocoa117@80-47-148-200.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:48:54]

AndrewNC:

the scan "wizard" allows one to select a v4l device

[00:50:14]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.207.101.dyn-cm-pool-54.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:50:16]

Dagmar:

So?

[00:51:07]

Dagmar:

The frontend config pages will let you "select" /dev/urandom as an output device.

[00:51:14]

Dagmar:

That doesn't necessarily mean it'll make any sounds.

[00:51:43]

clever:

i would rather make urandom an input

[00:51:44]

AndrewNC:

I have 20 year old tv's that can scan analog signal and detect available channels, I'm not so sure the "digital only" statement is valid

[00:51:49]

clever:

then id atleast get some sound:P

[00:52:19]

Dagmar:

I can put this another way

[00:52:23]

AndrewNC:

and mythtv-setup succeeds for the first 6 channels before it starts throwing those erros messages

[00:52:30]

Dagmar:

If you were letting the listings service populate your channel database, you'd already be done.

[00:53:36]

AndrewNC:

I'm not disputing that, however it does cost money for those, and I'm not ready to spend this evening just to overcome a bug

[00:54:33]

Dagmar:

Trial accounts are free.

[00:54:39]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, The channel scan button (from the listings source) is disabled with analog card in .22 because analog channel scanning is broken

[00:54:50]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, You're working around the disabling, but it's still just as broken

[00:54:56]

iamlindoro:

you'll need to fetch channels from your listings source

[00:55:07]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: I see... I was not familiar with that method of scanning

[00:55:25]

Dagmar:

I could swear I just mentioned it.

[00:56:01]

AndrewNC:

dagmar: what you said was subtly different than what iamlindoro stated

[00:56:30]

AndrewNC:

broken =/= impossible

[00:56:33]

Dagmar:

I'm sure. We both speak english but the odds of us using the exact same sentence are pretty low.

[00:56:44]

Dagmar:

What the hell ever

[00:57:01]

Dagmar:

Here's a montrously large hint

[00:57:01]

AndrewNC:

;-)

[00:57:01]

Dagmar:

http://www.sfr-fresh.com/linux/misc/mythtv-0. . . . rhelpers.cpp

[00:57:10]

Dagmar:

Notice that NTSC does NOT APPEAR IN THERE

[00:57:48]

Dagmar:

...and again, it's impossible for those cards to tell if what they're looking at is a "picture" or just some noise.

[00:57:59]

AndrewNC:

I wouldn't expect so, DTV != NTSC

[00:58:21]

Dagmar:

Oh so _now_ you notice that the message you were getting contained "DTV" right there in it?

[00:58:34]

AndrewNC:

I'm not sure you are on the same subject I'm on

[00:58:53]

AndrewNC:

i'm using an analog card, and it IS able to scan some channels

[00:59:13]

AndrewNC:

however it fails after about a half dozen with toString errors

[00:59:30]

AndrewNC:

partial success contradicts your assertion of impossible

[00:59:41]

Dagmar:

Bullshit.

[00:59:52]

Dagmar:

Go read the ivtv docs if you still doubt it

[00:59:59]

Dagmar:

Go read the specs on the _card_ and how it operates

[01:00:49]

AndrewNC:

I've got 5 results on screen, how did they get there?

[01:01:02]

Dagmar:

Just because something doesn't explode in your face immediately doesn't make it a "partial success"

[01:01:14]

truxartis (truxartis!n=me@ppp-70-247-67-80.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:01:18]

Dagmar:

Tell ya what

[01:01:29]

Dagmar:

You fix it, THEN you can "prove" me wrong.

[01:02:10]

AndrewNC:

so regarding the 5 results, pure chance?

[01:02:29]

Dagmar:

I'm not wasting any more time discussing this.

[01:02:49]

Dagmar:

Disconnect your coax and repeat the process if you like.

[01:02:52]

AndrewNC:

I'll get a screen cap if it'll make you feel better

[01:05:24]

Dagmar:

*sigh* another monkey in the ignore list

[01:06:43]

AndrewNC:

it never ceases to amaze me that people will argue that you cannot get results that are right infront of you

[01:08:56]

Guest42434 (Guest42434!n=David@nat/ti/x-iawquxemvvvsurdk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:13:23]

AndrewNC:

I'm guessing the failure messages are from the scan going beyond the frequency range supported by the card

[01:15:46]

Josh____:

whoever said debian is a hard distro to run myth on, I disagree completely. It was relatively painless to set up, and I only had to enable one third-party repo.

[01:16:23]

AndrewNC:

Josh__: I would expect the person that said that found debain hard in general

[01:16:24]

Dibblah:

... It's broken. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6530#comment:10

[01:16:52]

Dibblah:

I don't see how you're getting the scan button for an analog source?

[01:17:07]

AndrewNC:

Dibblah: that lines up with what I saw on the mythbuntu ticket

[01:17:18]

AndrewNC:

mythtv-setup

[01:17:24]

awalls (awalls!n=awalls@01-038.155.popsite.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:17:34]

Dibblah:

The button should not be enabled...?

[01:17:58]

GhanBuriGhan (GhanBuriGhan!n=todd@184.sub-75-237-216.myvzw.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:18:05]

AndrewNC:

channel editor, I select the video source name and then go to teh scan screen

[01:18:25]

AndrewNC:

are the few hits that come up just sheer accident?

[01:18:29]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: It's like when people use a bit of plastic fork to trip the door sensor on the microwave so they can dry their hair faster.

[01:19:07]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: The scan is only disabled for true analog cards.

[01:19:14]

Dibblah:

Not pvr cards.

[01:19:44]

Dagmar:

They don't appear to be able to scan reliably either from what I can tell

[01:20:03]

Dagmar:

I managed to get several streams of nothing but snow out of mine

[01:20:21]

Dagmar:

...and I couldn't find anything in the API to report strength

[01:20:41]

Dibblah:

Yeah, it looks like it hasn't been rewritten at all since the scanner rewrite.

[01:20:53]

Dibblah:

For the pvr, it does report lock.

[01:20:57]

AndrewNC:

and yet here I am a monkey with a microwave...

[01:21:01]

Dibblah:

ie valid sync.

[01:21:36]

Dibblah:

AndrewNC: Do the scanned channels work in mythtv?

[01:21:45]

AndrewNC:

yes

[01:22:11]

AndrewNC:

correction, one was a false positive

[01:22:57]

AndrewNC:

I'm just going to assume "broken clock, twice a day" on the ones that worked

[01:23:13]

Dagmar:

Euw! her foot came off

[01:23:18]

Dibblah:

It sounds possible.

[01:23:21]

Josh____ (Josh____!n=fuxxy@c-98-201-31-24.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:25:12]

AndrewNC:

looks like SD is the only available frequency source then

[01:26:04]

abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:26:16]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: I like the menu in those screenshots... very nice

[01:26:20]

AndrewNC:

I eliminated the groundloop from my catv wiring (bad splitter), so one success will have to be enough for this evening

[01:26:49]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Still playing around with that part, but thanks... was mostly just to show the little twitter client

[01:32:00]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit ()

[01:34:02]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:37:11]

GhanBuriGhan (GhanBuriGhan!n=todd@184.sub-75-237-216.myvzw.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[01:38:20]

Wicked:

hmm. on themoviedb someone uploaded a large png for the movie poster...but mythtv seems to yack on the picture saying "libpng warning: Ignoring bad adaptive filter type libpng error: IDAT: CRC error"...so i just downloaded the png from the site and converted it to jpg...but i cant seem to figure out how to delete the old png from the moviedb

[01:40:27]

awalls (awalls!n=awalls@01-038.155.popsite.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[01:43:17]

Dagmar:

Now that I've secured mine if anyone's shopping for a cheap replacement flat panel, Buy.com has an AOC 21.5" that does 1920x1080 for $130

[01:48:15]

JJ1 (JJ1!n=jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:55:33]

AndrewNC:

Wicked: it might be in the theme cache

[01:56:02]

AndrewNC:

otherwise delete it from the location you specified for metadata

[01:56:32]

Wicked:

well like.. on themoviedb there are now 2 identical posters..the original png that seems to be messed up...and my new identical jpg...i think it would be best if the old png was removed from themoviedb's servers...but i cant seem to edit it like that

[01:56:50]

AndrewNC:

oh, I see what you mean

[01:57:04]

Wicked:

i only have a option to "view all" or "upload poster"

[01:57:21]

Wicked:

and this movie is weird...i cant look at the history...or who made the entry

[01:57:24]

AndrewNC:

email the admins noting the issue with the png

[01:57:29]

earlneath999 (earlneath999!n=paul@124-168-147-201.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:57:41]

Wicked:

yea. ill do that now

[01:58:22]

earlneath999:

hi can I get some help with a problem post upgrade to ubuntu karmic that I cant find an answer for on the mailinglist archive

[01:59:42]

AndrewNC:

earlneath999: are you asking if you can ask a question?

[02:00:38]

earlneath999:

heh yeh my first time on IRC. I can watch recordings but not make new recordings or watch live tv. my asus usb tuner is recognised and I can tune the tuner just not watch channels

[02:01:08]

Dagmar:

So what do the logs say

[02:01:19]

Dagmar:

We need a bot that just says that whenever someone new enters the channel

[02:01:26]

earlneath999:

wasnt a problem with 9.04 so I must have something wrong in setup.

[02:01:27]

Dagmar:

It'll be the right thing, what, 80% of the time?

[02:01:51]

AndrewNC:

were you able to scan channels etc in mythtv-setup?

[02:01:59]

earlneath999:

scanning channels works fine

[02:02:11]

earlneath999:

which logs can I look at to give you info on what they are sayin

[02:02:14]

AndrewNC:

can you tune anything with mplayer or some other app?

[02:02:28]

Dagmar:

The backend logs, obviousl.

[02:02:29]

earlneath999:

havent tried other app I can look at now hold on

[02:02:35]

Dagmar:

s/obviousl/obviously/;

[02:02:36]

AndrewNC:

the backend and frontend both output logs, I don't know where they are on ubuntu

[02:02:56]

earlneath999:

I will have a look for those and see what they say

[02:04:29]

earlneath999:

regarding mplayer I just had a quick look and cant figure out how to watch dvb through that. watching old recordings on mythtv front end is not a problem and normal videos is not a problem with xine, xbmc etc

[02:05:07]

AndrewNC:

you need a channels.conf (I forgot how one generates that, try google) and then dvb://stationName argument for mplayer

[02:05:29]

Dagmar:

Guess how much I care

[02:06:35]

Dagmar:

I can just about promise you that the backend logs are saying things which will be far more useful for fixing the problem than ANYTHING you might have done with mplayer, X11, your mouse, handguns, or the color chartruese.

[02:06:57]

AndrewNC:

if the logs dont give any clue on the issue than mplayer tuning will help you determine if it is an issue with myth config or the tuner

[02:07:02]

earlneath999:

ok heres my frontend log

[02:07:04]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:36.481 TV: Attempting to change from None to Watching WatchingLiveTV

[02:07:05]

Dagmar:

Well, maybe chartreuse.

[02:07:05]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:36.502 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1)

[02:07:05]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:36.503 Using protocol version 50

[02:07:05]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:36.504 Spawning LiveTV Recorder — begin

[02:07:05]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.155 Spawning LiveTV Recorder — end

[02:07:05]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.156 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

[02:07:07]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.157 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

[02:07:09]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.157 TV Error: HandleStateChange(): LiveTV not successfully started

[02:07:11]

Dagmar:

ONE...

[02:07:11]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.157 We have a RingBuffer

[02:07:13]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:37.207 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

[02:07:13]

AndrewNC:

earlneath999: use pastebin

[02:07:15]

earlneath999:

2009-11–17 13:05:52.379 Deleting UPnP client...

[02:07:18]

Dagmar:

NOT THE FRONTEND LOG

[02:07:25]

Dagmar:

2. Don't FLOOD the channel

[02:07:58]

AndrewNC:

http://pastebin.com/

[02:08:17]

Dagmar:

The frontend doesn't have a damn thing to do with tuners or scheduling or writing recordings to disk.

[02:08:49]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:09:19]

earlneath999:

sorry first time on irc. noted – will use pastebin to put up backend log

[02:09:30]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:10:19]

antgel (antgel!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:15:22]

earlneath999:

http://pastebin.com/d6d53609e

[02:15:36]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@excalibur.csse.unimelb.edu.au) has quit ("Leaving...")

[02:15:41]

earlneath999:

maybe a permission error from when I added a new drive?

[02:15:54]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[02:15:59]

AndrewNC:

there ya go, permission denied

[02:15:59]

Dagmar:

Right there on line nine/10

[02:16:14]

earlneath999:

maybe a permission error from when I added a new drive?/

[02:16:17]

earlneath999:

oops

[02:16:22]

Dagmar:

The user running the backend no longer has permissions to write to where you're storing recordings

[02:16:23]

eddief (eddief!n=eddie@pool-68-161-207-20.ny325.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:16:28]

Dagmar:

Clear as day.

[02:16:38]

earlneath999:

yup thanks looks clear

[02:17:09]

earlneath999:

I

[02:17:19]

earlneath999:

ill try 777 with that dir then take it from there

[02:17:28]

Dagmar:

Gods no

[02:17:47]

Dagmar:

Just look at what uid the backend is running as and chown the storage directory to that

[02:18:01]

AndrewNC:

666 should be sufficient if you dont want to chown it

[02:18:01]

Dagmar:

777 is pretty much _always_ the wrong answer

[02:18:05]

earlneath999:

ok thanks dagmar

[02:18:26]

earlneath999:

i look at top to see that, yes?

[02:18:27]

Dagmar:

You may have to repeat a similar process with mysql and it's directory

[02:18:31]

earlneath999:

aha

[02:18:49]

earlneath999:

bear with me we are outside my comfort zone here!

[02:19:03]

Dagmar:

You might want to read a basic linux tutorial sometime

[02:19:11]

AndrewNC:

if you installed via package user is probably mythtv

[02:19:23]

earlneath999:

yes it is remembering it all that is the problem when you dont use it regularly

[02:19:24]

Dagmar:

It's not like it would take more than an hour of reading to become moderately familiar with how Linux machines work

[02:19:25]

AndrewNC:

and take dagmar with a grain of salt, he is an internet super hero with patience for no one

[02:19:33]

Dagmar:

Nonsense.

[02:19:38]

earlneath999:

:-)

[02:19:39]

Dagmar:

Being good with computers isn't about remembering stuff.

[02:19:47]

Dagmar:

It's about being able to FIND said stuff quickly when you need it.

[02:20:14]

earlneath999:

i thought thats what irc was for :-)

[02:20:15]

Dagmar:

You just need to remember where/how to look things up and the remembering stuff part will just happen on it's own over time

[02:20:25]

earlneath999:

sure thanks

[02:20:31]

Dagmar:

No, IRC is for people to demonstrate how badly they need to turn off the TV and read a book.

[02:20:42]

Dagmar:

Ho ho. ;)

[02:22:11]

earlneath999:

im not seeing mythtv backend on top is there another way of seeing the uid it is running?

[02:22:41]

Dagmar:

yes.

[02:22:49]

iamlindoro:

ha! http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythtwittertimeline.png

[02:23:51]

mag0o:

such talent!

[02:24:23]

mag0o:

someone double this guys pay ;)

[02:24:50]

earlneath999:

what would that way be Dagmar?

[02:24:52]

iamlindoro:

heh

[02:25:57]

Dagmar:

earlneath999: ps -C mythbackend -o user=

[02:27:01]

** mag0o learns something cool sometimes **

[02:27:25]

AndrewNC:

mythtwitter, oh noes

[02:28:09]

earlneath999:

thanks – sure enough its mythtv and I can now watch live tv@

[02:28:11]

earlneath999:

yay

[02:28:14]

earlneath999:

!

[02:28:19]

earlneath999:

thanks for your help

[02:29:05]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:29:49]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:29:56]

earlneath999:

next : how to master sed and awk in one easy lesson

[02:30:04]

earlneath999:

:-)

[02:30:20]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: if one were to reorganize their mythvideo library, do you recommend a particular approach for maintaining metadata, or just rescanning everything?

[02:30:33]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:36:47]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[02:44:07]

Dagmar:

This truxartis dude better fess up what he's up to

[02:45:02]

truxartis:

hi dagmar, is wanted to say how funny that line was.. " that should be the banner" (do what the logs say)... but this damn client is stupid

[02:45:25]

truxartis:

apo for the beeps

[02:46:12]

Dagmar:

Ah the beeps aren't an issue. I dont' have them.

[02:46:30]

Dagmar:

The versioning and then the unnanounced dcc chat attempt looked very fishy tho

[02:46:41]

Dagmar:

<-- fought in the EFnet Wars.

[02:46:43]

Dagmar:

heh

[02:48:27]

truxartis:

i guess you could say i was 'monkeying' around

[02:52:30]

poodyp1 (poodyp1!n=mythtv@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:56:52]

joat (joat!n=joat@ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[02:59:26]

joat (joat!n=joat@ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:07:06]

Phluid (Phluid!i=Phluid@host-103-44-2-96.midco.net) has quit ()

[03:08:37]

mathmoi:

Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed <-- I got this in the log file and can't records program, but can watch live TV. Anyone know what might be wrong?

[03:15:16]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc1-mfld11-0-0-cust667.nott.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net")

[03:20:50]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@70.157.64.132) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:26:00]

christ_ (christ_!n=Billybob@CPE00e04b0b7799-CM00111a59bdac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[03:26:10]

christ_ (christ_!n=Billybob@CPE00e04b0b7799-CM00111a59bdac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:29:08]

AndrewNC (AndrewNC!n=nighthaw@c-24-128-157-168.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[03:33:28]

[R] ([R]!n=rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:40:42]

earlneath999 (earlneath999!n=paul@124-168-147-201.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:43:43]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: how well does gmail handle mailing lists for you?

[03:44:02]

elmojo:

thinking about moving over to it instead of yahoo

[03:44:44]

iamlindoro:

It does a pretty nice job, I have it do a lot of the organizing automatically

[03:44:57]

Dagmar:

It keeps mail sorted just fine

[03:45:02]

Dagmar:

You dont' wanna know how many lists I'm on

[03:45:47]

elmojo:

cool

[03:46:21]

elmojo:

wondering if everyone is suffering from the sporadicly missing ML e-mails

[03:47:11]

iamlindoro:

I don't suffer when I miss e-mails from the list ;)

[03:47:17]

elmojo:

hehe

[03:49:42]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=quassel@pool-98-114-177-10.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[03:57:47]

gunni_ (gunni_!n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-248-51.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:59:44]

jst_home_:

anyone here know how to write a custom recording schdule that would find an record at most n shows per day by title?

[04:00:05]

jst_home_:

there's the "find and record one showing of this title each day." schedule option

[04:00:13]

jst_home_:

but I'd like two, or some other number

[04:00:19]

jst_home_:

can one do that with a power search?

[04:02:45]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@CPE-121-222-128-175.lnse1.woo.bigpond.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:02:56]

jst_home_ is now known as jst_home

[04:06:09]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@81.173.251.229) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[04:06:12]

leoncamel (leoncamel!n=leoncame@58-3-132-221.ppp.bbiq.jp) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[04:06:41]

leoncamel (leoncamel!n=leoncame@58-3-132-221.ppp.bbiq.jp) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:14:06]

wagnerrp:

looks like you need to put some language filters on that thing

[04:14:53]

wagnerrp:

real english only

[04:15:23]

wagnerrp:

WTF does 'hahahaha mari awali pagi hari dengan gosip' mean?

[04:15:50]

rooter7 (rooter7!n=carl@96-26-202-116.sea.clearwire-dns.net) has quit ("Konversation terminated!")

[04:17:15]

Dagmar:

It means hes too drunk to type on his fancy "das keyboard"

[04:25:22]

[R] ([R]!n=rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has quit ("Leaving")

[04:37:25]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:40:53]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@CPE-121-222-128-175.lnse1.woo.bigpond.net.au) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[04:50:22]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!n=pintlezz@190.244.73.136) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:52:27]

mangus580:

wagnerrp: remember the tearing I was talking about lastnight on mythbuntu via VM?

[04:53:29]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[04:54:57]

eddief (eddief!n=eddie@pool-68-161-207-20.ny325.east.verizon.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[05:07:46]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@70.157.64.132) has quit ("Leaving.")

[05:24:49]

Lexridge (Lexridge!n=lexridge@75.108.69.120) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:27:31]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-157-64-132.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:30:05]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@CPE-121-222-128-175.lnse1.woo.bigpond.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:44:38]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-35-133-84.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:48:23]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@68.147.3.121) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:51:48]

sphing (sphing!n=sphing@216-243-5-45.users.condointernet.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:54:20]

sphing:

is there any documentation on how to turn the output of hdhomerun_config into a channels.conf?

[05:55:53]

Lexridge (Lexridge!n=lexridge@75.108.69.120) has quit ("Leaving")

[05:56:07]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-157-64-132.int.bellsouth.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[05:58:05]

wagnerrp:

sphing: what would be the purpose?

[05:58:36]

wagnerrp:

a channels.conf is to allow applications to tune channels on cards using the DVB subsystem

[05:58:36]

sphing:

mythtv scan isn't working as well

[05:58:52]

sphing:

ok, let me rephrase... how can I import channels from hdhomerun_config

[05:59:45]

wagnerrp:

i have a script up on trac that does that, but im pretty sure its broken

[05:59:49]

sphing:

I have no problem doing sql inserts, I just can't find documentation on the data model

[05:59:51]

wagnerrp:

ive never actually used it

[06:00:11]

wagnerrp:

whats wrong with the channel scanner?

[06:00:21]

sphing:

it's just not picking up certain channels... :(

[06:00:34]

wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

[06:00:37]

sphing:

22

[06:00:59]

sphing:

I've had some success going back and only scanning the channels I know have video

[06:01:04]

sphing:

but sometime still it doesn't get them all

[06:01:36]

wagnerrp:

the channel scanner in mythtv should be doing exactly the same thing as that in hdhomerun_config

[06:01:54]

wagnerrp:

all its doing is hooking into an API, and grabbing what the HDHR sends it

[06:02:12]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:02:14]

sphing:

at least in my case, it's not

[06:02:45]

sphing:

I've bumped up the timeouts, still it doesn't pickup them all up... for example channel 92 has 10 subchannels

[06:02:51]

sphing:

none were picked up by the full scan

[06:03:09]

wagnerrp:

were they encrypted subchannels?

[06:03:11]

sphing:

if I full scan again, but limit the range to just channel 92 it'll probably pick it up

[06:03:34]

sphing:

no, hdhomerun_config picks up as unencrypted and vlc streams them

[06:03:58]

sphing:

to be fair... it's actually hdhomerun_config_gui, not the commandline app if that matters

[06:04:19]

wagnerrp:

then the scanner should have picked them up as unidentified SCTE channels, and asked you to name them

[06:04:59]

sphing:

it didn't... because it did in fact find some unindentified SCTE channels and it did ask me to name them

[06:05:02]

sphing:

but none on channel 92

[06:05:53]

sphing:

hmm, interesting... hdhomerun_config doesn't pick up channel 92... but the gui does

[06:08:33]

sphing:

sure enough, if I manually limit the full scan range to just channel 92, it picks up all 10 channels

[06:09:03]

wagnerrp:

so the libraries themselves are somehow broken

[06:09:20]

wagnerrp:

not sure what to tell you about that

[06:10:05]

wagnerrp:

ugh... yet another wootoff

[06:10:11]

wagnerrp:

they just keep coming

[06:14:19]

sphing:

wagnerrp: so the theory is the scanning libs are busted? from siliconvalley

[06:14:52]

wagnerrp:

if youre getting different results from the command line and gui tools, theres something wrong

[06:17:20]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:17:54]

sphing:

yup I definitely am

[06:18:29]

sphing:

well that makes me feel better... myth is right and silicondust is busted

[06:26:04]

truxartis (truxartis!n=me@ppp-70-247-67-80.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net) has quit ()

[06:27:48]

[R] ([R]!n=rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:33:57]

banyan:

wow, the libmyth* libraries do like to do some text relocation! selinux doesn't like 'em much.

[06:35:27]

k-man:

how do you move recordings you want to keep to mythvideos?

[06:37:56]

banyan:

I don't transcode personally but I think if you do a transcode the shows might (?) get moved. Then again you might have to manually copy them from your recording directory to your mythvideo directory.

[06:38:22]

k-man:

banyan: yeah, that manual bit is what I was wondering about :)

[06:38:32]

wagnerrp:

if you use mythtranscode, the files are moved in place of the old ones

[06:38:42]

wagnerrp:

the only thing that may change is the extension (mpg to nuv)

[06:38:49]

banyan:

Do you know where your system is set up to save your recordings?

[06:38:55]

k-man:

wagnerrp: but they don't get moved from recordings to video right?

[06:39:01]

k-man:

banyan: yeah

[06:39:02]

wagnerrp:

correct

[06:39:39]

banyan:

and do you know the directory your system is set up to use for mythvideo?

[06:39:45]

k-man:

banyan: yea

[06:40:00]

banyan:

and the name of the actual recording you want to save?

[06:40:15]

wagnerrp:

k-man: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6680

[06:40:58]

k-man:

thanks wagnerrp

[06:42:12]

wagnerrp:

be sure to update the respective database fields for your directory structure

[06:42:25]

wagnerrp:

and note that tv export will be broken so long as ttvdb remains down

[06:43:28]

wagnerrp:

be sure to grab the right version, '12' is the last one compatible with 0.22-fixes

[06:43:35]

banyan:

Is there a better method than just cp-ing the file from the recording dir to the video dir?

[06:43:48]

k-man:

oh, ok, thanks wagnerrp

[06:44:10]

k-man:

wagnerrp: oh, just noticed that its your baby :)

[06:44:25]

wagnerrp:

banyan: you can script it up (see above link), but its still nothing more than a file copy

[06:44:54]

k-man:

how long is ttvdb likely to be down?

[06:44:56]

wagnerrp:

k-man: well original idea goes to iamlindoro... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6158

[06:45:31]

wagnerrp:

i just didnt want to block my interface for several minutes as a file was copied off nfs, and then back again

[06:45:33]

k-man:

wagnerrp: do you think your script will be included with myth someday?

[06:45:45]

wagnerrp:

likely not

[06:46:08]

banyan:

It'd make a nice menu selection... "Save to mythvideo"

[06:46:13]

wagnerrp:

there are some possible updates to the internal recording structure

[06:46:33]

wagnerrp:

if those go through, mythvideo will likely add such support internally

[06:46:48]

wagnerrp:

banyan: it is a menu selection, youre supposed to add it as a user job

[06:47:16]

banyan:

I suppose mytharchive would also help but maybe that's not a going concern

[06:48:05]

wagnerrp:

k-man: this must be run on a machine housing the mythvideo storage

[06:48:25]

wagnerrp:

(or at least one with nfs access to mythvideo)

[06:48:33]

k-man:

wagnerrp: oh... ok, thanks for the info

[06:48:43]

k-man:

gtg – ttyl guys, bye

[06:48:46]

wagnerrp:

it will pull from any backend over mythproto

[06:48:56]

wagnerrp:

but i didnt see any purpose to allow saving too mythproto

[06:49:17]

wagnerrp:

doesnt make sense to do two network transfers

[06:50:42]

banyan:

This is a pretty awesome app, just because of how it's well structured. Other PVR systems don't seem to have a frontend you can run remotely.

[06:51:45]

wagnerrp:

well that was one of the initial design concepts back in 2002

[06:51:54]

wagnerrp:

but other DVRs are starting to pick up that capability

[06:52:31]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@220.233.86.111) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:53:05]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@70.240.234.22) has quit ("My hovercraft is full of eels")

[06:53:08]

banyan:

Anyone have opinions on how many frontends a backend could simultaneously service at ntsc resolutions?

[06:53:29]

wagnerrp:

depends entirely on your disk and network capability

[06:53:42]

clever:

banyan: ive had ~5 frontends playing at once, with a 400mhz P2 backend (which was also playing ntsc)

[06:53:58]

banyan:

assuming gigabit lan?

[06:54:07]

clever:

100mbit is what i tested with

[06:54:16]

banyan:

or some wicked transcoding?

[06:54:19]

wagnerrp:

one hard drive will easily manage 15–20 SD streams

[06:54:41]

wagnerrp:

but recordings are a bit more tricky, they will tend to fragment badly if you have several on a single drive

[06:54:50]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-35-133-84.netcologne.de) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[06:55:20]

wagnerrp:

an NTSC (SD) recording will be somewhere between 1–3GB/hr depending on your recording settings

[06:55:36]

wagnerrp:

HD will be more like 4–8GB/hr

[06:55:42]

banyan:

have you got your system set up for hi def yet?

[06:56:02]

wagnerrp:

so youre looking at <6mbps for SD, <20mbps for HD

[06:56:24]

wagnerrp:

estimate what you need based off that

[06:57:23]

banyan:

I would imagine 5 at a time would be not too taxing except for the storage end of it.

[06:57:57]

banyan:

huh, can myth handle multi backends?

[06:58:04]

wagnerrp:

even 5 HD streams, youre looking at ~10MB/s

[06:58:17]

wagnerrp:

trivial for a modern hard drive, even considering seek times

[06:58:37]

wagnerrp:

myth can handle as many slave backends as you want

[06:58:57]

banyan:

That would help.

[06:59:07]

wagnerrp:

the only real limit on that is scheduler considerations

[06:59:37]

wagnerrp:

and its really channels and schedules that really hit it hard, not tuner count

[06:59:57]

banyan:

so one specific show doesn't get set to record on one specific backend?

[07:00:10]

wagnerrp:

no

[07:00:17]

wagnerrp:

you have a tuner pool

[07:00:27]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv will try to choose the best one

[07:00:45]

banyan:

Ah, gotcha. But the storage of the recording is local to the tuner I would assume.

[07:00:46]

wagnerrp:

generally that will be the first one in the list with that channel

[07:01:05]

wagnerrp:

each backend can have its own local storage

[07:01:05]

[R] ([R]!n=rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has quit ("Leaving")

[07:01:12]

wagnerrp:

or can use shared NFS storage

[07:01:19]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@CPE-121-222-128-175.lnse1.woo.bigpond.net.au) has quit ()

[07:01:34]

clever:

one of my slave backends only uses the hdd for swap, not booting or storage

[07:01:50]

wagnerrp:

thats a lot of swap

[07:02:00]

clever:

wagnerrp: it also holds win xp

[07:02:32]

banyan:

I've stayed on ntsc because every hd option I have is locked down by the provider who insist you use their own box which is locked down like fort knox.

[07:03:43]

banyan:

So short of stacking hd boxes to a depth equal to the number of hd tuners I decide to get, and doing some really gruesome things with lirc, I don't really see how that's ever going to happen.

[07:03:52]

clever:

wagnerrp: the alsa drivers on there have also gone tits up, so no more capture (good thing really, its a frame grabber) and no more playback

[07:04:16]

wagnerrp:

whois doesnt show anything... odd

[07:04:23]

wagnerrp:

anyway, im assuming youre in the US?

[07:04:46]

banyan:

I might have to strongly consider just buying the cable company's hd pvr, blah.

[07:05:00]

banyan:

who, me? Canada, Calgary.

[07:05:18]

wagnerrp:

close enough

[07:05:35]

wagnerrp:

broadcast will all be free, easy enough

[07:05:51]

wagnerrp:

cable, you can get a clearqam tuner

[07:06:10]

wagnerrp:

over here, you wont expect to get much more than the local broadcast channels

[07:06:16]

wagnerrp:

probably the same for you

[07:06:37]

banyan:

The cable companies see the switch to HD as a way to finally be able to really cash in on everything you want to watch.

[07:06:37]

wagnerrp:

you have firewire, again... dont expect much out of it

[07:06:50]

wagnerrp:

and you have a HDPVR, analog capture off the STB

[07:07:10]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is the only HD capture solution available to mythtv

[07:07:25]

wagnerrp:

(as opposed to digital tuners, which do not capture video)

[07:07:26]

banyan:

clearqam? I may not understand what you're getting at, but my LCDs only find the music stations in a digital station scan.

[07:07:32]

banyan:

Everything else is encoded.

[07:07:40]

wagnerrp:

then thats all you would get with a digital tuner in mythtv

[07:07:42]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:08:57]

banyan:

I think the STB solution, with the output of the STB going to a capture card, would have to be the way I'd go. And since they cripple the STB's ethernet and serial ports, I'd have to fake out a remote to change channels, ecch.

[07:09:22]

banyan:

It's not a multiplexed source anymore really.

[07:09:35]

wagnerrp:

at least over here, they are required to give you a box with active firewire on request

[07:09:40]

wagnerrp:

and you can use that to change the channel

[07:09:49]

banyan:

where is 'over here'?

[07:10:01]

wagnerrp:

south-of-the-border

[07:10:56]

wagnerrp:

our cablecos dont have to provide anything unencrypted over firewire, but they at least have to give you that functional port

[07:11:08]

banyan:

ah. We should probably lobby to get the same kind of thing. The likely restrictions would be on everything that isn't also freely broadcast over the air, like hbo, that sort of thing.

[07:12:40]

banyan:

It seems like some d-bag is always trying to take every technological advancement and turn it into a way to keep people from doing things they used to be able to do. It's making me a little cynical about the digital world!

[07:13:07]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121.73.114.254) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:13:26]

banyan:

e.g. bluray being hard to unauthor, camera phones that your phone provider makes you pay to get the pictures out of...

[07:13:44]

okolsi (okolsi!n=mythtv@unaffiliated/okolsi) has quit ("leaving")

[07:13:45]

banyan:

all that dmca kind of stuff.

[07:13:53]

chainsawf (chainsawf!n=chainsaw@121-73-114-254.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:16:38]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:19:27]

pheld (pheld!i=lxcpai@81-31-227-239.net.nc-systems.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:20:29]

banyan:

I think some marketing greaseball has it figured that I'll have to buy two stb's to do any useful capturing, which they won't be making it easy to do in the first place.

[07:22:38]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:22:49]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:28:25]

chainawbike (chainawbike!n=chainsaw@121-73-114-254.cable.telstraclear.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:52:50]

XLV_ (XLV_!n=XLV@dsl-88-218-54-223.customers.vivodi.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:56:55]

jedix (jedix!n=jedix@bas10-ottawa23-1128687769.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:58:22]

pedro (pedro!n=bob@64-126-54-49.dyn.everestkc.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:59:09]

XChatMav (XChatMav!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:59:38]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[07:59:48]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:00:43]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121.73.114.254) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@220.233.86.111) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@68.147.3.121) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

hachi (hachi!i=hachi@207.7.148.208) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

eNeRGi (eNeRGi!n=nrgizer@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ff7bc300-137.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

CyberKnet (CyberKnet!n=CyberKne@ip72-213-131-207.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@217.162.243.40) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

[n0b0dy] ([n0b0dy]!n=jhr@98.201.21.8) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

bobc (bobc!n=bob@64.126.54.49) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

seanius (seanius!n=seanius@66.93.22.232) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@beer.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:43]

sulx (sulx!n=sulx@85.23.15.158) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@87.194.109.4) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@93.93.128.87) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@87.117.230.229) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

rhpot1991 (rhpot1991!n=rhpot199@ubuntu/member/rhpot1991) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@66.42.240.2) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:45]

laga (laga!n=laga@85.214.53.74) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[08:00:47]

pat_ is now known as pat

[08:01:12]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:06]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:30]

hachi (hachi!i=hachi@shego.kuiki.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:36]

eNeRGi (eNeRGi!n=nrgizer@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ff7bc300-137.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:52]

laga (laga!n=laga@h1626373.stratoserver.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:55]

[n0b0dy] ([n0b0dy]!n=jhr@c-98-201-21-8.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:02:57]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@217-162-243-40.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:03:01]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:03:09]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:05:26]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:05:29]

rhpot1991 (rhpot1991!n=rhpot199@arctangent.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:05:32]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:06:14]

CyberKnet (CyberKnet!n=CyberKne@ip72-213-131-207.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #Mythtv-Users

[08:06:25]

mgisbers is now known as mgisbers_away

[08:06:54]

laga (laga!n=laga@h1626373.stratoserver.net) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:06:55]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:06:55]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:06:56]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:06:57]

laga_ (laga_!n=laga@h1626373.stratoserver.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:06:58]

quicksil1er (quicksil1er!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:06:58]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:07:04]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121.73.114.254) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@217-162-243-40.dclient.hispeed.ch) has quit (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision))

[08:07:04]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@220.233.86.111) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@68.147.3.121) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

sulx (sulx!n=sulx@85.23.15.158) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@66.42.240.2) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@87.194.109.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@87.117.230.229) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

laga (laga!n=laga@85.214.53.74) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@93.93.128.87) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

seanius (seanius!n=seanius@66.93.22.232) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@217.162.243.40) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:04]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@beer.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:07]

laga (laga!n=laga@85.214.53.74) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[08:07:07]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@87.117.230.229) has quit (Connection reset by peer)

[08:07:09]

anykey__ (anykey__!n=guedel@217-162-243-40.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:15]

sulx1 (sulx1!n=sulx@85.23.15.158) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:16]

Winkie_ (Winkie_!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:21]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:25]

wagnerrp_ (wagnerrp_!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:32]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:07:57]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@87.194.109.4) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:08:20]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@220.233.86.111) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[08:08:20]

seanius (seanius!n=seanius@66.93.22.232) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:08:30]

sulx (sulx!n=sulx@85.23.15.158) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:08:31]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@68.147.3.121) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[08:08:33]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@93.93.128.87) has quit (SendQ exceeded)

[08:08:42]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@beer.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:08:46]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@66.42.240.2) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:08:47]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@217.162.243.40) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[08:08:59]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com) has quit (Killed by orwell.freenode.net (orwell.freenode.net (CShadowRun[n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com] Ghosted sagan.freenode.net)))

[08:09:21]

CShadowRun (CShadowRun!n=cshadowr@cshadowrun.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:10:36]

jedix (jedix!n=jedix@bas10-ottawa23-1177650485.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:10:45]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:11:09]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@beer.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:11:27]

seanius (seanius!n=seanius@cobija.connexer.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:15:37]

mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers

[08:16:00]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:16:01]

AnNahar:

hi friends

[08:16:09]

AnNahar:

i cant upgrade to .22 because database issue:(

[08:16:32]

AnNahar:

new version: 1216

[08:16:32]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 02:16:24.672 DB charset conversions update failed! Your database seems to be partially corrupted. Please move the backup to a safe place. Your database must be fixed before you can upgrade beyond 0.21-fixes. Please see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding for information.

[08:16:32]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 02:16:24.673 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.

[08:16:32]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 02:16:24.673 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema.

[08:16:54]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:17:24]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:18:33]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@213.171.132.58) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:22:49]

chainsawbike (chainsawbike!n=chainsaw@121.73.114.254) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[08:29:12]

mzb:

J-e-f-f-A, new LCD working well. Have changed to a new custom char set for bignums (ie: clock). Added day/month/date to time screen, and set Time to same priority as Channel screens.

[08:29:33]

mzb:

fiddling with backlight, we'll see how it comes out

[08:30:08]

mzb:

(lcd2usb doesn't seem to like being on 1000 ... still getting a backlight pulse from LCDd somehow)

[08:30:45]

AnNahar:

hello?

[08:32:04]

anenigma (anenigma!n=enigma@203-214-45-231.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:33:32]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:34:10]

univate (univate!n=chris@124-171-189-241.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[08:34:27]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@0x5da34bca.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1105.sdnqu1.customer.tele.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:40:08]

mzb:

And4713, error message looks pretty obvious to me ... check the link provided

[08:40:40]

And4713:

haha, swing and a miss

[08:41:00]

AnNahar:

mzb: help

[08:41:02]

AnNahar:

i cant upgrade

[08:41:26]

And4713:

add another N mzb

[08:42:36]

AnNahar:

there's no way to fix the database without blanking it?

[08:42:46]

mzb:

oops, sorry ... crying baby, woman preparing food ... other stuff going on

[08:44:44]

And4713:

(:

[08:45:08]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@ip503c5d4c.speed.planet.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:46:13]

octavsly (octavsly!n=nlv10904@static.ip-80-255-245-177.signet.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:47:01]

anenigma_ (anenigma_!n=enigma@203-214-96-197.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable))

[08:47:02]

And4713:

heh, Id hardly call messing around with my wine configuration a needs 100% attention activity, its cool

[08:50:10]

univate (univate!n=chris@203-214-93-173.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:01:52]

DGnome (DGnome!i=mindre@mupp.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:08:27]

justinh (justinh!n=justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust69.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:11:19]

DGnome:

Hi! Does the mythtv freebox-recorder support multiple udp-streams, separated by portnumber, on the same ip? I have two vlc:s providing streams at 127.0.0.1:1234 and 127.0.0.1:1235 which mplayer can play just fine, but mythtv fails to tune and doesn't say much at all in the backend log.

[09:11:54]

DGnome:

Oh, left out the fact that mythtv can tuner the first stream at port 1234

[09:11:58]

DGnome:

-r

[09:12:15]

waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@CPE-124-176-59-252.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:14:18]

justinh:

DGnome: try with more verbosity

[09:16:48]

DGnome:

justinh: channel?

[09:17:07]

justinh:

most first

[09:18:10]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:18:13]

DGnome:

mmmkay, no errors yet.. lets try watching

[09:19:35]

justinh:

IPTV features are about the most undocumented, after DVB-S

[09:20:21]

justinh:

the wiki looks like it provides info, but what's there doesn't go very deep. that's obvious

[09:20:41]

Mandingo-Laptop (Mandingo-Laptop!n=IceChat7@c-98-249-137-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:20:57]

Mandingo-Laptop:

question guys

[09:21:12]

Mandingo-Laptop:

not sure where im going wrong

[09:21:18]

Mandingo-Laptop:

but i have a script that uses an sql insert to imput my card information

[09:21:21]

DGnome:

okay, I can see were entering LiveTV, setting channel 2 (the faulty one), then a lot of other messages from IPTVChan & co.

[09:21:36]

justinh:

Mandingo-Laptop: well, for one thing we don't support manual DB mangling here

[09:21:48]

Mandingo-Laptop:

hhhmm

[09:22:01]

Mandingo-Laptop:

just want to know y this stopped working for me in .22

[09:22:20]

justinh:

DGnome: every capture source needs a video source connected to it or it won't work

[09:22:50]

justinh:

DGnome: ordinarily video sources carry more than one channel. I take it you're trying to put one channel per VLC stream

[09:23:02]

Mandingo-Laptop:

when i manually add my card through sql i can see paremeters fine but the backend doesnt see the cards

[09:23:02]

DGnome:

justinh: yes and yes

[09:23:22]

justinh:

DGnome: so one VLC server instance per port? You need a video source for every 'card' like that

[09:23:33]

DGnome:

justinh: ah! thats it

[09:23:35]

justinh:

Mandingo-Laptop: so add the cards *properly*

[09:23:57]

justinh:

Mandingo-Laptop: stop trying to hack your way around. Mythtv has a GUI for a reason

[09:24:20]

justinh:

if your backend has no monitor, fine. Use freenx, vnc or X-forwarding

[09:24:35]

Mandingo-Laptop:

i am runnina a script for a reason i know about the gui but that is not an option for me right now

[09:25:22]

DGnome:

justinh: my setup now is one input source for two streams, I'll separate them...

[09:25:23]

justinh:

Mandingo-Laptop: well, you're not gonna get help for it. Sufficient to say your script has stopped working because the db schema & table layout has probably changed since it last worked

[09:26:06]

grndslm (grndslm!n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[09:26:48]

justinh:

FWIW at least *try* X forwarding or something

[09:27:21]

justinh:

there are good reasons nobody here encourages manual DB manipulation

[09:27:34]

hads (hads!n=hads@argon.nice.net.nz) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:28:16]

Mandingo-Laptop:

well can you just answer if something has changed with the db why it has stopped working

[09:29:25]

Mandingo-Laptop:

ok ill try thanks

[09:29:57]

grndslm (grndslm!n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:30:30]

Elwell:

hey folks, where do I set preferred language for audio?

[09:31:14]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-209-80-20.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:31:16]

sphery:

think it uses the same language you set as the Guide Language

[09:31:23]

sphery:

just a guess, though

[09:31:52]

jca (jca!n=jca@87.72.7.157) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[09:33:10]

bumblebee (bumblebee!n=bumblebe@2001:888:155c:0:0:0:0:13) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@2001:5c0:1500:800:0:0:0:1) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

MilkBoy (MilkBoy!n=milkboy@v6.yone.fi) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

bagpuss_thecat (bagpuss_thecat!n=bagpuss_@2001:41c8:1:5253:0:0:0:2) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

wagnerrp_ (wagnerrp_!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

joat (joat!n=joat@ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

poodyp1 (poodyp1!n=mythtv@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

oobe (oobe!n=none@insidiousramblings.com) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Mandingo-Laptop (Mandingo-Laptop!n=IceChat7@c-98-249-137-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

gpd (gpd!n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Makere (Makere!i=makere@bx.fi) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Heliwr (Heliwr!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

brad2 (brad2!n=brad@bas6-toronto63-1128541367.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Casper0082 (Casper0082!n=Casper@70.20.147.78) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=RobertLa@pool-173-69-204-119.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

rooaus (rooaus!n=cameron@ppp118-209-104-210.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

_abbenormal (_abbenormal!n=abbenorm@216.109.197.30) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

knightrage (knightrage!n=kevin@c-98-244-85-211.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Elwell (Elwell!i=elwell@freenode/staff/elwell) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Tomasu (Tomasu!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:10]

Makere_ (Makere_!i=makere@bx.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:33:11]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

elmojo (elmojo!n=tralph@cpe-024-163-063-165.nc.res.rr.com) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

SubSpawn (SubSpawn!n=spawn@sin.khk.be) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

Thomas- (Thomas-!n=tomas@krixor.xy.org) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

Shred00 (Shred00!n=brian@d67-193-197-208.home3.cgocable.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

Lunar_Lamp (Lunar_Lamp!n=Lunar_La@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

Josh_Borke (Josh_Borke!n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

zand (zand!n=zand@unaffiliated/xelam) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

nrpil_ (nrpil_!n=nrpil@cc1201712-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

sid3windr (sid3windr!i=luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:11]

_charly_ (_charly_!i=kroseneg@sunrise.schmidham.net) has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[09:33:29]

zand (zand!n=zand@unaffiliated/xelam) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:34:28]

Tomasu (Tomasu!n=moose@S010600195b863efb.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:34:51]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:34:56]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:34:58]

Heliwr (Heliwr!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:35:08]

univate (univate!n=chris@203-214-93-173.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Network is unreachable)

[09:35:21]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@ip503c5d4c.speed.planet.nl) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[09:35:55]

gpd (gpd!n=gpd@www.grahamdavies.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:35:57]

wagnerrp_ (wagnerrp_!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:00]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:02]

slayven (slayven!i=slayven@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:08]

sid3windr (sid3windr!i=luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:08]

Elwell (Elwell!i=elwell@freenode/staff/elwell) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:14]

Lunar_Lamp (Lunar_Lamp!n=Lunar_La@chat.planetarion.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:19]

SubSpawn (SubSpawn!n=spawn@sin.khk.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:45]

nrpil (nrpil!n=nrpil@cc1201712-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:51]

Dibblah:

"Mandingo-Laptop: these guys are being dicks over in myth"

[09:36:58]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:36:58]

Dibblah:

Well, he's off my christmas list.

[09:37:59]

Elwell:

gah. lost connection – did anyone answer re language (if so, can you repost please)

[09:39:01]

hads:

22:31:16 <+sphery> think it uses the same language you set as the Guide Language

[09:39:29]

Thomas- (Thomas-!i=tobj@krixor.xy.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:39:41]

Elwell:

nope – I got the french version of 'the interpreter' recorded the other night (yes I am aware of the irony...)

[09:39:55]

Elwell:

and guide is in english

[09:40:28]

hads:

Pass

[09:40:37]

rooaus (rooaus!n=cameron@ppp118-209-104-210.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:40:45]

Shred00 (Shred00!n=brian@d67-193-197-208.home3.cgocable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:40:47]

poodyp1 (poodyp1!n=mythtv@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:40:52]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:06]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@ip503c5d4c.speed.planet.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:08]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:18]

Casper0082 (Casper0082!n=Casper@70.20.147.78) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:24]

Elwell:

meh. in which case I think I may be needing a ir-blaster and a video capture card to use existing STB

[09:41:31]

busybee (busybee!n=bumblebe@2001:888:155c:0:0:0:0:13) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:46]

joat (joat!n=joat@ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:41:59]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:01]

oobe (oobe!n=none@insidiousramblings.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:03]

waxhead (waxhead!n=pete@CPE-124-176-59-252.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:06]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=RobertLa@pool-173-69-204-119.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:06]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:06]

brad2 (brad2!n=brad@bas6-toronto63-1128541367.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:07]

elmojo (elmojo!n=tralph@cpe-024-163-063-165.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:07]

knightrage (knightrage!n=kevin@c-98-244-85-211.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:10]

Josh_Borke (Josh_Borke!n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:42:16]

_abbenormal (_abbenormal!n=abbenorm@216.109.197.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:43:01]

waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@CPE-124-176-59-252.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:45:48]

DGnome:

justinh: I separated the streams into two playlists, recorders, inputconnetions and so on.. I now have two "cards" and still only the forst stream works... Any ideas?

[09:45:54]

univate (univate!n=chris@203-206-242-192.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:48:49]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:50:39]

DGnome:

one difference hits me in the eye, first stream prints out IPTVSM()::... and second streams prints out DTVSM()::... in the backend log..

[09:51:31]

quicksil1er is now known as quicksilver

[09:51:58]

DGnome:

nope, nothing there..

[09:53:50]

hads (hads!n=hads@argon.nice.net.nz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[09:54:10]

Thomas-_ (Thomas-_!i=tobj@krixor.xy.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:54:52]

rgd (rgd!n=rgd@81.144.136.164) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:55:46]

MilkBoy (MilkBoy!n=milkboy@v6.yone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:56:37]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has quit ()

[09:57:54]

xukun (xukun!n=xukun@84.24.233.251) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:58:03]

xukun:

can somebody help me setting the modlines in xorg.conf for my tv? I would greatly appreciate for any help you can over

[09:58:29]

Thomas-_ (Thomas-_!i=tobj@krixor.xy.org) has quit (Client Quit)

[09:58:47]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[09:58:59]

pizdets (pizdets!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:59:40]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:00:11]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:02:19]

pizdets (pizdets!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[10:02:26]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:06:07]

andreax (andreax!n=Andreaz@tmo-100-162.customers.d1-online.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:07:32]

DGnome:

getting nowhere with this network recordes business... Can anyone recommend any best practices for acquiring two udp streams, 127.0.0.1:1234 & 127.0.0.1:1235, into mythtv?

[10:07:37]

sphery:

elmojo: You record the language that's encoded in the broadcast of whatever showing you record--myth can't request a specific language. Myth will /choose/ the language of preference if it's among the languages in the recording.

[10:07:51]

sphery:

Elwell: ^^^

[10:08:54]

sphery:

Elwell: if you meant that you had multiple different showings of the episode and they had different languages in them and Myth recorded the wrong one, that means you need to fix your recording rule to tell it to record the one with the language you want.

[10:08:56]

hpeter (hpeter!n=hpeter@250-203.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:09:05]

Elwell:

hmm. ok. will retest. (mostly films in evening that have french + english)

[10:09:41]

sphery:

if it chooses the wrong language and there are multiple audio tracks, hit + to switch tracks

[10:10:08]

sphery:

the tracks may not be properly labelled, so it may not choose the right one

[10:10:10]

Elwell:

ah cool – so it records >1 track? excellent thats what I was hoping

[10:10:39]

sphery:

it records whatever is broadcast

[10:10:48]

sphery:

(assuming it's digital)

[10:10:51]

Elwell:

next problem is getting more than 'now and next' EPG (EIT only has some channels for 7 days)

[10:11:04]

Elwell:

yeah – dvb-t

[10:11:05]

sphery:

if analog, it records whatever is piped to the audio input specified in the recording profile

[10:11:06]

Elwell:

ta

[10:11:26]

sphery:

good luck with that--I don't know EIT (kind of useless here in the US)

[10:11:52]

Elwell:

I think I'm going to have to do some xmltv merging from >1 source

[10:12:09]

sphery:

tv_cat is your friend

[10:12:25]

sphery:

but don't use xmltv and eit on the same channels--it will cause tons of problems

[10:12:34]

sphery:

each channel should use either eit or xmltv

[10:12:58]

Elwell:

Given the poor quality of EIT I suspect I'll use xmltv for all

[10:13:12]

Elwell:

tv_cat – Concatenate XMLTV listings files.

[10:13:14]

Elwell:

bingo

[10:13:17]

sphery:

yeah

[10:13:39]

Elwell:

This tool is rather useless, but it makes a good testbed for the XMLTV

[10:13:42]

Elwell:

module.

[10:13:44]

Elwell:

:-)

[10:16:51]

Elwell:

has anyone used a Tivo (series 1) remote with an MCE usb dongle? (migrating from tivo->myth)

[10:17:26]

Elwell:

and I need some sort of remote for my shiny new zotac board

[10:25:41]

grndslm (grndslm!n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[10:26:16]

grndslm (grndslm!n=grndslm@174-126-14-4.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:33:35]

hipitihop (hipitihop!n=denis@203.132.229.35) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:34:22]

justinh:

DGnome: problem is, you're trying to use an almost undocumented feature so we're all in the dark

[10:34:56]

xukun (xukun!n=xukun@84.24.233.251) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:35:19]

DGnome:

justinh: I jsut managed to make it work with two streams, one playlist, one input connection chain :)

[10:35:40]

justinh:

wth are you trying to do anyway?

[10:36:33]

DGnome:

make one recorder have access to miltiple channels.. and for making a "offline" mythtv demo

[10:36:44]

justinh:

to me, IPTV is like Santa Claus. It doesn't exist :)

[10:36:52]

sphery:

Myth already has multirec support

[10:37:04]

sphery:

and Myth already supports "dummy file" tuners

[10:37:42]

DGnome:

This is also useful for other kind of media, so I wanted to try using udp-streams

[10:39:07]

DGnome:

anyway, I can now stream stuff from point N to mythtv :)

[10:39:20]

justinh:

so anyway, if you're seeing a different kind of message in the log about the 'same' kind of tuner source maybe you're configuring it wrong

[10:39:34]

Winkie_:

does mythtv support multiple viewers viewing the same channel from the same tuner?

[10:39:38]

Winkie_:

cause i remember i had problems with that

[10:39:44]

Winkie_:

but i need to re-add mythtv to our network

[10:39:47]

justinh:

Winkie_: yes you just all watch the same recording

[10:39:57]

Winkie_:

justinh: but can they do it without going to the recordings?

[10:39:59]

justinh:

no

[10:40:01]

Winkie_:

oh

[10:40:06]

Winkie_:

well that's pointless for me i'm afraid

[10:40:17]

justinh:

what is it with all the silly stuff today?

[10:40:18]

DGnome:

justinh: nah, I was just misunderstanding the output :)

[10:40:29]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:40:38]

Winkie_:

justinh: not particularly silly, would come in useful in larger implementations

[10:40:47]

justinh:

pfft

[10:40:53]

Winkie_:

but most people use it with only a couple of clients and a couple of tuners i guess

[10:40:56]

sphery:

Winkie_: if they were all watching the same LiveTV channel, then what happens when one user on one frontend decides it's boring and changes the channel?

[10:40:57]

justinh:

livetv is useless anyway

[10:41:15]

Winkie_:

sphery: then mythtv allocates the person changing a new tuner, and siwtches him to that

[10:41:27]

justinh:

assuming there are enough tuners

[10:41:37]

** waxhead has 6 these days **

[10:41:38]

Winkie_:

indeed, if not an error message can be displayed or whatever

[10:41:42]

sphery:

Winkie_: that's why /1/ user gets a tuner for LiveTV (and /full/ control of that tuner) and all other users either need there own tuners or have to watch the recording

[10:42:06]

Winkie_:

sphery: ok but that's not any use to me i'm afraid

[10:42:13]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[10:42:21]

sphery:

then, if the LiveTV owner changes the channel, the recording ends and other users either have to find the next recording in the chain or stop watching/watch something else

[10:42:24]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:42:37]

Winkie_:

sphery: yeah exactly, it's hardly the ideal user interface

[10:42:45]

sphery:

it is ideal

[10:42:51]

Winkie_:

i beg to differ

[10:42:57]

sphery:

because that way no one else can break my LiveTV session

[10:43:08]

Winkie_:

but with proper logic, they cannot anyway

[10:43:10]

sphery:

and besides, capture cards cost, what, $1.50 now?

[10:43:20]

sphery:

Winkie_: patches welcome

[10:43:32]

Dibblah:

There are use-cases.

[10:43:34]

Winkie_:

sphery: yeah i looked at patching it a while ago, but it seemed i'd have to rewrite quite a large amount

[10:43:35]

sphery:

but LiveTV is a waste of time/effort

[10:43:44]

Winkie_:

and tuners are not that cheap when you're talking dvb-c etc

[10:43:46]

Dibblah:

For example, kitchen TV + main TV

[10:43:58]

Winkie_:

and livetv is exactly the opposite of a waste

[10:44:06]

Winkie_:

imho of course

[10:44:12]

sphery:

then why are you using MythTV

[10:44:18]

sphery:

MythTV is anti-LiveTV

[10:44:26]

Winkie_:

i'm not actually using anything anymore, but that's not very reassuring

[10:44:29]

sphery:

MythTV is a DVR(ecorder)

[10:44:33]

Dibblah:

sphery: That's probably a bit strong.

[10:44:40]

Winkie_:

yeah i gotta say

[10:44:44]

Winkie_:

dvrs aren't anti livetv

[10:44:47]

Winkie_:

they work in synergy with it

[10:44:47]

sphery:

I mean the whole concept of recoridng is anti-livetv

[10:45:05]

Winkie_:

yeah i disagree entirely, sorry

[10:45:24]

sphery:

only because you haven't yet seen how to really use a DVR

[10:45:32]

Winkie_:

haha

[10:45:44]

Dibblah:

The current devs use livetv _very_ rarely.

[10:45:47]

Winkie_:

well i worked for a company that did large scale DVR for a number of years

[10:45:52]

sphery:

but if you like to waste-your-LifeTV watching things on the network's schedule...

[10:45:57]

Dibblah:

Which means that it may work – or it may not.

[10:46:10]

Winkie_:

sphery: so what you're saying is that you don't use livetv, and so i probably shouldn't or don't or something

[10:46:18]

justinh:

shouldn't

[10:46:22]

Dibblah:

It's unfortunate, but that's the current state.

[10:46:23]

Winkie_:

sorry to tell you, but many many people still like to sit down and say 'hey i wonder what is on'

[10:46:26]

Winkie_:

and then flip through the channels

[10:46:33]

Winkie_:

hell i have access to 4od, iplayer and a pretty big library

[10:46:37]

Winkie_:

and i still just stick livetv on

[10:46:41]

justinh:

MEH

[10:46:42]

Dibblah:

Winkie_: Sure. And there's _nothing_ wrong with that use-case.

[10:46:44]

justinh:

we don't care

[10:46:53]

Winkie_:

Dibblah: excellent :)

[10:47:01]

Dibblah:

However, in Myth, it is not a well trodden code path.

[10:47:02]

sphery:

In MythTV, LiveTV provides absolutely no benefits and only limits capabilities. My thoughts: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302

[10:47:14]

Winkie_:

Dibblah: oh i'm aware of that, i had a look at things ages ago

[10:47:34]

Dibblah:

And to get livetv right is _very_ complex.

[10:47:35]

Winkie_:

sphery: well if you want mythtv to be adopted etc then you can't just ignore livetv

[10:47:36]

justinh:

record more. waste less of your life watching shite

[10:47:38]

Winkie_:

that is my opinion

[10:47:54]

Dibblah:

It's _not_ being ignored.

[10:47:55]

Winkie_:

Dibblah: indeed, i appreciate there are many issues

[10:47:59]

Dibblah:

It's just not a focus.

[10:48:29]

Winkie_:

well, i can't comment on current mythtv, as my version installed is probably quite old

[10:48:37]

Winkie_:

0.21 in fact

[10:48:38]

beatbreaker (beatbreaker!n=AndyMike@c211-30-15-33.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:48:52]

Winkie_:

but i'm just saying that this is a particular situation that livetv is quite important

[10:48:57]

Winkie_:

not trying to tell you what to do :)

[10:49:11]

Winkie_:

i'm gonna go down and make sure stuff is plugged into my myth box actually, brb :D

[10:49:13]

justinh:

people thought there wasn't a use for this new thing 'television' once

[10:49:35]

justinh:

so folks will eventually stop wanting to feed off the network TV teat sooner or later

[10:50:11]

sphery:

I just don't get why people would think LiveTV has /any/ benefits. Guess it's just from lack of understanding of features/capabilities/usage of MythTV....

[10:50:28]

justinh:

I think it's just from a lack of having used mythtv really

[10:50:34]

sphery:

yeah

[10:50:45]

** quicksilver just doesn't get why anyone is so blind they can't see livetv has at least some benefits. **

[10:50:50]

sphery:

though many on -users list still cling to it

[10:51:00]

quicksilver:

sure, your arguments are valid – there are lots of advantages to scheduling.

[10:51:11]

quicksilver:

but sometimes, people just want to watch this, now

[10:51:14]

** sid3windr agrees with quicksilver :) **

[10:51:14]

justinh:

even pausing for 15 mins then watching & skipping ads.. you catch up eventually & lose all the benefit

[10:51:16]

quicksilver:

and why shouldn't they?

[10:51:33]

justinh:

just schedule a recording & watch it 'live'

[10:51:44]

sphery:

quicksilver: so, if you want to watch it, tell Myth to record it, and if you want to watch it while it's recording, watch the in-progress recording

[10:51:50]

quicksilver:

but I didn't decide I wanted to watch it until 5 seconds ago

[10:51:58]

quicksilver:

and I want to watch it now

[10:51:59]

sphery:

that way, when you get delayed in traffic, you don't miss the first 20mins

[10:52:01]

quicksilver:

what's wrong with that?

[10:52:12]

justinh:

scheduling the recording takes less time to do than waiting for livetv to start

[10:52:13]

sphery:

and /because/ you got delayed in traffic, you can skip 20 mins of commercials

[10:52:15]

quicksilver:

why shouldn't people be spontaneous

[10:52:31]

** justinh sets fire to all the livetv believers **

[10:52:41]

hadeees (hadeees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:52:43]

sphery:

"spontaneous" meaning "indecisive" or "passive"

[10:52:56]

sphery:

because you can spontaneously start a recording

[10:53:35]

justinh:

what point is there in having a DVR if *all* you're gonna do is be a couch zombie?

[10:53:43]

quicksilver:

I'm not saying it's all I'm going to do

[10:53:51]

quicksilver:

99.9% of the TV I watch is scheduled recordings

[10:54:02]

** Elwell really wants to hack his netgem iplayer to see if he can use it for myth frontend **

[10:54:15]

quicksilver:

but that doesn't mean there is *no* value in saying "Oh, children in need is on BBC1 tonight, let's turn that on"

[10:54:21]

justinh:

wonder whatever happened to the effort to make livetv better anyway.

[10:54:21]

GreyFoxx:

LiveTV serves 2 purposes imho. For the "I'm so bored and have nothing better to do than surf channels since I watched all my recordings" crowd, Or for "dude you gotta check out channel X now. Your on TV!" type thing

[10:54:32]

justinh:

quicksilver: CiN is an ideal thing to record for later watching

[10:54:32]

Winkie_:

yeah i'm agreeing with quicksilver here

[10:54:44]

Winkie_:

you guys are all saying "you should do things my way"

[10:54:49]

justinh:

skip all the ducking useless whiny heartstring pulling segments

[10:54:51]

Winkie_:

and quicksilver is saying "i prefer things my way"

[10:54:55]

justinh:

SO?

[10:55:03]

Winkie_:

so don't discard people's preferences because of your own

[10:55:12]

justinh:

why not? this isn't a democracy player

[10:55:23]

quicksilver:

I read mike's (sphery's?) email link and I do agree with basically all his arguments

[10:55:27]

Winkie_:

that's not what democracy means

[10:55:39]

quicksilver:

I just don't agree that you can draw the conclusion "...and therefore livetv is useless"

[10:55:40]

sid3windr:

I don't get what the difference is between scheduling a recording and starting to watch it immediately, or use livetv

[10:55:46]

sid3windr:

except that livetv requires a lot less effort

[10:55:54]

justinh:

laziness :)

[10:55:57]

sid3windr:

exactly

[10:55:57]

Winkie_:

sid3windr: well for example, you can't change channels once you're watching the recording

[10:55:59]

Winkie_:

i would wager

[10:56:03]

grndslm:

this channel is cracking me up

[10:56:04]

Winkie_:

there is a massive annoyance

[10:56:06]

sid3windr:

Winkie_: I use livetv :)

[10:56:10]

sid3windr:

I'm asking the other side ;)

[10:56:11]

justinh:

short attention spans, ADD etc

[10:56:21]

Winkie_:

sid3windr: oh well i'm just pointing out a problem :)

[10:56:31]

justinh:

you can see what else is on without even changing channel, apparently

[10:56:36]

Winkie_:

i mean if it was completely integrated so that hitting livetv immediately recorded etc

[10:56:43]

Winkie_:

that would be neat

[10:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

It does

[10:56:50]

grndslm:

dur

[10:56:50]

sphery:

if you want to watch the show, why would you change channels?

[10:56:54]

GreyFoxx:

LiveTV isn;t truly live

[10:57:00]

GreyFoxx:

It's recorded and you watch the recording

[10:57:00]

sphery:

but, if you're watching the show and you want to flip to another recording, do it

[10:57:03]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: i know there's a buffer, but it doesn't change you to watching the recorded stream as people are suggesting

[10:57:11]

GreyFoxx:

Yes, it does

[10:57:12]

Winkie_:

well, last time i used it

[10:57:15]

grndslm:

livetv is for sports

[10:57:16]

grndslm:

that's it

[10:57:16]

quicksilver:

Winkie_: livetv is just watching a recording

[10:57:20]

quicksilver:

Winkie_: (but it's a hidden one, by default)

[10:57:22]

Winkie_:

yes i'm aware of the technical aspect

[10:57:25]

sphery:

just like I mentioend in that post--flip/flopping between multiple news channel recordings in progress so you can ignore the boring/stupid stuff

[10:57:30]

Winkie_:

but on livetv, for example, i can change channels

[10:57:34]

Winkie_:

and it will stop the recording

[10:57:43]

Winkie_:

if i was to be explicitly watching the recording as someone suggested

[10:57:43]

justinh:

WTH are 'channels' anyway?

[10:57:47]

Winkie_:

i probably could not change channels

[10:57:47]

justinh:

I watch *shows*

[10:57:48]

GreyFoxx:

Actually it will stop THAT recording and start a new one

[10:57:51]

grndslm:

#mythtv-users is like a channel

[10:57:54]

waxhead (waxhead!n=pete@CPE-124-176-59-252.lns3.dea.bigpond.net.au) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[10:57:58]

GreyFoxx:

Winkie_: Yes that is true

[10:58:09]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: see if that was better integrated, there would be virtually no room for complaint

[10:58:10]

sphery:

there's even a button you hit to go to the previous recording you were watching

[10:58:17]

sphery:

so you can flip back and forth between 2

[10:58:22]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: patches accepted i guess :D

[10:58:27]

GreyFoxx:

Always

[10:58:40]

Winkie_:

i should put some time into it, but i'm always working on other stuff :(

[10:59:14]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@mithrandir.anu.edu.au) has quit (Excess Flood)

[10:59:49]

GreyFoxx:

I don't see what needs to be better integrated. If you want the ability for 100 people to watch the same channel at the same time BUT leave open the chance for some/all of them to change channels then just make themall use LiveTV and have enough tuners

[10:59:57]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@mithrandir.anu.edu.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:00:16]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: uh, so buy 100 tuners, ie 13 full computers worth?

[11:00:20]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: doesn't sound very economical

[11:00:37]

sphery:

enough tuners is the answer to 99% of the problems users have

[11:00:51]

Winkie_:

yes, and enough power is the answer to 99% of all computer problems

[11:00:53]

** sid3windr has only 4 tuners **

[11:00:54]

GreyFoxx:

Hey, you are the one that wanted to let them all to be able to change to different channels, that requires enough tuners

[11:00:57]

sid3windr:

(for 2 people)

[11:01:02]

GreyFoxx:

How would you do that without enough tuners?

[11:01:03]

sphery:

tuners are cheap compared to extremely complex logic that tries to outthink users

[11:01:09]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: actually that's not what i require :)

[11:01:14]

sid3windr:

you only need as many tuners as there are channels

[11:01:24]

sid3windr:

livetv should/could recycle a tuner if 2 people are watching the same channel ;)

[11:01:27]

Winkie_:

sid3windr: actually clients

[11:01:30]

sid3windr:

dunno if it does that, probably not

[11:01:33]

sid3windr:

but it could.

[11:01:33]

Winkie_:

sid3windr: that's exactly what i want

[11:02:03]

GreyFoxx:

Sure, how seriously how often in real world usage where you have more than 2 watchers in the house willthat happen?

[11:02:15]

sid3windr:

:)

[11:02:19]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: it's happened enough that i am here talking about it

[11:02:27]

sid3windr:

I sometimes watch the same thing as my wife, while we're on different floors

[11:02:34]

Winkie_:

my house has 3 people, and we all wanted to watch top gear

[11:02:37]

sid3windr:

funny thing is that's usually a scheduled recording too :]

[11:02:40]

Winkie_:

:)

[11:02:54]

sid3windr:

but I don't only use myth as pvr

[11:03:07]

sid3windr:

also as sharing station for a combo of analog+dvb-s+dvb-c+dvb-t+stored media

[11:03:16]

sid3windr:

otherwise I need a few decoders per tv

[11:03:20]

sid3windr:

with this, all goes into one box :)

[11:03:22]

GreyFoxx:

Last time I watched more than 5 minutes of LiveTV was during the Obama election results :)

[11:03:23]

sphery:

sid3windr: so you're watching LiveTV on your client and I am on mine (on the same system). I get bored with my show and flip over to the channel you're watching, so Myth sets it up so we're sharing the tuner (how efficient we now are!). Then, a recording begins and takes up the only other free tuner--the one I was using. Then, I hit channel up because I decide this show is boring, too... What happens now?

[11:03:38]

Winkie_:

sphery: you get an error message

[11:03:40]

Winkie_:

saying "No free tuners"

[11:03:42]

sphery:

why me

[11:03:43]

Winkie_:

or similar

[11:03:44]

sphery:

why not you

[11:03:49]

sid3windr:

sphery: the same as what happens now... "all tuners are in use" :)

[11:03:50]

Winkie_:

sphery: because you changed channel

[11:03:51]

sid3windr:

ah

[11:03:58]

sid3windr:

for that we can make a "supremacy" field in the user database!

[11:03:59]

sphery:

maybe I started watching LiveTV before you

[11:04:05]

sid3windr:

or override with a parental lock code :]

[11:04:11]

Winkie_:

sphery: that's irrelevant, the last thing you want to do is interrupt other users mid stream

[11:04:12]

GreyFoxx:

That's not very user friendly.... cause grandma isn't gonna understand why it wourked 2 minutes ago but not now...this myth shit is broken... I want a new one!

[11:04:14]

Winkie_:

yeah without at least some notification

[11:04:26]

sid3windr:

sphery: so, moar tuners, obviously

[11:04:27]

sid3windr:

:)

[11:04:31]

Winkie_:

GreyFoxx: if you think that's not user friendly, but navigating to watch a recording in progress to watch a single channel is

[11:04:34]

Winkie_:

then i don't know what i can tell you

[11:04:40]

sphery:

basically, the different problems that come up are so numerous and complex that explaining to users how it works would be impossible

[11:04:41]

Winkie_:

grandma's head would have exploded before she reached the recordings menu

[11:04:45]

sphery:

so, yeah, more tuners is the ansewr

[11:04:48]

Winkie_:

sphery: i disagree entirely

[11:04:58]

Winkie_:

they're not numerous and complex, they obey some simple rules

[11:05:11]

Winkie_:

some of which can even be set as options :o

[11:05:12]

sid3windr:

we're digressing into 2 different things here though :>

[11:05:23]

sphery:

Winkie_: so write a patch such that when someone enters liveTV, they're given the option to watch any recordings in progress

[11:05:26]

kothog (kothog!n=kothog@unaffiliated/kothog) has quit (No route to host)

[11:05:29]

antgel (antgel!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:05:41]

Winkie_:

sphery: yep i should check it out, it looked pretty horrible last time i looked

[11:05:50]

Winkie_:

but that's cause i am a Perl programmer most of the time :D

[11:05:52]

sphery:

(I'd be all for that patch--as it would help lessen the importance of LiveTV :)

[11:06:47]

Winkie_:

the issue is whether mythtv stores enough information interally, and whether the recording interface can be mixed with the livetv one

[11:06:53]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has quit (Success)

[11:07:38]

sid3windr:

hmm

[11:07:50]

sid3windr:

for something completely different, how can I set the "fill" to "full" by default?

[11:08:02]

justinh:

find the setting, and set it

[11:08:06]

sid3windr:

dah. ;)

[11:08:12]

sid3windr:

that was indeed my plan

[11:08:17]

sid3windr:

just wondering if anyone knew where the setting was ;)

[11:08:21]

sphery:

IMHO, having a) enough storage and b) enough tuners is the answer. I set up my system so that it records /every/ new series (save reality TV) that's aired each season (plus all the ones I've decided to watch). So, at the beginning of the season, I set my schedules. Then, if shows are cancelled or everyone says they're stupid, I delete them without watching and delete the schedule. If they're not cancelled--and especially if ...

[11:08:27]

sphery:

... everyone says they're worth watching--I'll watch them. Generally, I don't start a show until at least 6mos after the premier.

[11:08:36]

sid3windr:

I'm all for "settings" but the location of different things in myth are not all that logical

[11:08:37]

Winkie_:

sphery: yes that is the ideal solution, to have infinite tuners and infinite storage

[11:08:46]

sid3windr:

that said, I should probably upgrade to .22 one of these days

[11:08:47]

sphery:

With this approach, I have more TV than I can watch (currently >1140 recordings unwatched) and never waste time on LiveTV

[11:08:48]

Winkie_:

it's always the ideal solution :)

[11:08:53]

Winkie_:

i would like to have infinite ram

[11:08:55]

justinh:

sid3windr: probaly under appearance settings, cos that's where I wouldn't put it

[11:08:58]

Winkie_:

but i have to use shared memory :)

[11:09:01]

sphery:

infinite isn't necessary

[11:09:05]

justinh:

sid3windr: I've decided to skip 0.22

[11:09:09]

sphery:

there's not infinite stuff broadcast

[11:09:18]

sid3windr:

justinh: oh, going for .21 for another 2 years? :)

[11:09:20]

sphery:

and, really, there's far more broadcast than I will ever watch

[11:09:21]

sid3windr:

s/for/with/

[11:09:25]

justinh:

sid3windr: probably

[11:09:31]

Winkie_:

sphery: there are a couple hundred channels on some of my streams

[11:09:39]

sphery:

so, basically, you record everything you might /possibly/ ever want to watch and either watch it or delete it

[11:09:43]

Winkie_:

but the maximum tuners available is 4 or 8, depending on your dish

[11:09:45]

sphery:

(or let myth delete it for you)

[11:09:53]

Winkie_:

so yes, idealy that would be the best solution

[11:09:59]

Winkie_:

but if it requires > 8 tuners you need a new dish

[11:10:00]

justinh:

Winkie_: how much of it is WORTH having though? Very little

[11:10:06]

sphery:

exactly

[11:10:11]

Winkie_:

justinh: that's not for any of us to decide

[11:10:15]

Winkie_:

that's for whoever is watching

[11:10:25]

justinh:

WTF are you doing that 'us' isn't YOU ?

[11:10:35]

sphery:

I take a very liberal scheduling approach because I have 4 tuners and only OTA channels (big 6 networks)

[11:10:38]

Winkie_:

justinh: i work as a consultant

[11:10:42]

Winkie_:

not for mythtv

[11:10:43]

Winkie_:

but it comes up

[11:10:49]

sphery:

and I have 6.5TB of storage for my TV

[11:10:57]

Winkie_:

my dad wanted to do it in his house, 7 or 8 TVs, 4 tuners absolute max

[11:11:08]

Winkie_:

i only have 3tb :(

[11:11:09]

sphery:

but if you have other constraints, you limit your schedule to the stuff that's more likely to interest you

[11:11:10]

justinh:

sigh

[11:11:23]

Winkie_:

sphery: yeah i know i'm not disagreeing that that is the ideal

[11:11:29]

Winkie_:

but unfortunately it is not practical for many people

[11:12:07]

justinh:

so mythtv wasn't ever intended to be a high-end streaming DVR app with added moon on a stick

[11:12:25]

Winkie_:

justinh: why not? it seems it has all the frameworks there

[11:12:28]

nrpil (nrpil!n=nrpil@cc1201712-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) has quit ("leaving")

[11:12:39]

nrpil (nrpil!n=nrpil@cc1201712-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:12:42]

Winkie_:

hell with better integration into xbmc i don't know anything that would beat it

[11:12:42]

justinh:

because the majority of use cases are *sane* and more importantly *real*

[11:12:49]

justinh:

oh here we go

[11:12:59]

justinh:

XBMC la la la la la la

[11:13:06]

Winkie_:

haha have i hit a nerve?

[11:13:14]

Winkie_:

and my use cases are both real and sane thx :)

[11:13:33]

justinh:

oh btw mythtv would be much better if XBMC recorded TV. yeah yeah

[11:13:43]

justinh:

way to win people over

[11:13:51]

Winkie_:

i don't get it

[11:13:54]

Winkie_:

xbmc won me over

[11:13:54]

sphery:

but it has bling

[11:13:56]

Winkie_:

and so did mythtv

[11:14:02]

Winkie_:

i would like to see both working together

[11:14:07]

Winkie_:

becuase then it would be the best of both worlds

[11:14:07]

sphery:

and it has bittorrent support

[11:14:12]

justinh:

I would like to see hell freeze over

[11:14:15]

justinh:

I want a pony!

[11:14:31]

sphery:

and it parses metadata out of the filenames of my illegal downloads of copyrighted content

[11:14:46]

justinh:

I was right. today *is* super retarded Tuesday with added flames

[11:15:19]

Winkie_:

so i'm gathering that you guys hate xbmc for some reason

[11:15:46]

justinh:

no, you should take away from this that suggesting a path for a project to take, when you've done nothing.. is counterproductive

[11:16:19]

sphery:

XBMC is fine for people who want XBMC. But XBMC is an apple and Myth is an orange.

[11:16:46]

sphery:

(or vice versa--I don't care which Myth is, in case some people think I slighted XBMC)

[11:16:49]

Winkie_:

justinh: not at all, why do you think people do focus groups and usage surveys

[11:17:02]

justinh:

Winkie_: mythtv doesn't

[11:17:05]

Winkie_:

hell i am doing one right now for a new product :)

[11:17:10]

Winkie_:

justinh: well that's not my problem :D

[11:17:13]

justinh:

some mythtv devs care a damn what users think. most don't

[11:17:22]

Winkie_:

sphery: i know what you're saying, but i see it as biscuits and cheese

[11:17:29]

Winkie_:

they're nice on their own, and great together

[11:17:42]

Winkie_:

justinh: well you can't have a go at me for that :)

[11:17:45]

justinh:

Winkie_: FWIW I've never got XBMC to play a single file in linux or on windows

[11:17:51]

justinh:

not a single one

[11:17:57]

Winkie_:

justinh: then you are doing something drastically wrong

[11:18:00]

justinh:

if it even ran on windows

[11:18:02]

justinh:

I installed it

[11:18:19]

justinh:

click setup.exe. bandbing. go to find the files.. I see them. they won't play

[11:18:33]

Winkie_:

excellent, i'm not an xbmc developer so i would go complain at them

[11:18:49]

Winkie_:

i've had pretty much zero issues with it througout

[11:18:49]

justinh:

I would, if I was more than curious about it

[11:18:54]

Winkie_:

on 20ish linux boxes and a few xboxes

[11:19:00]

Winkie_:

don't think i've touched it on windows, for obvious reasons

[11:19:01]

justinh:

it was great on the xbox

[11:19:20]

justinh:

well apart from the skins, but I'm not going near one of those

[11:19:36]

Winkie_:

skins generally don't work on xboxes due to cpu and memory limitations

[11:19:46]

Winkie_:

which kinda sux but that's what you get for using a 700mhz celeron :p

[11:19:50]

justinh:

I meant PM3

[11:20:23]

Winkie_:

do you mean you hate the skin, or it didn't work?

[11:20:25]

justinh:

oh so is that why it sat there hogging 50% CPU on my C2D 1.6Ghz laptop running at 1280x720?

[11:20:27]

Winkie_:

cause it works for me, but is kinda uggly

[11:20:37]

justinh:

anyway, I'm not a fan

[11:20:41]

Winkie_:

obviously

[11:20:58]

Winkie_:

but your criticisms are irrelevant, because all i said was that better integration would make the combination unbeatable

[11:21:04]

justinh:

but I've seen enough of it to see what the appeal is.. but NOT for a mythtv frontend

[11:21:28]

Winkie_:

i can't think of any other system i've used, even commercial ones that are anywhere near it

[11:21:32]

justinh:

no scheduling capability, no arbitrary skipping, no timestretching

[11:21:41]

Winkie_:

justinh: yeah exactly that is the issue

[11:21:51]

justinh:

and the UI sucks IMHO

[11:22:07]

Winkie_:

justinh: check out mediastream or aeon

[11:22:17]

justinh:

they change the look, sure

[11:22:26]

Winkie_:

they change the UI

[11:22:36]

justinh:

but not the way navigation works, how the media controls work etc

[11:22:49]

Winkie_:

you probably didn't import your stuff into the library

[11:22:54]

Winkie_:

which makes things very very nice

[11:23:01]

justinh:

nope

[11:23:11]

Winkie_:

yeah it's a bunch of work to do

[11:23:16]

Winkie_:

and i don't think you can add mythtv stuff automatically

[11:23:20]

justinh:

look – you've got your opinion. I've got mine. it's not changing on your say so

[11:23:41]

Winkie_:

well don't act as if i'm some sort of xbmc defender bot then :p

[11:23:41]

justinh:

I'm no mythtv fanboy either btw

[11:23:51]

sid3windr:

sure you are.

[11:23:53]

sid3windr:

:>

[11:23:54]

gbee:

guys OT – suffice to say the developers of MythTV wouldn't be working on it if they thought XBMC was any good

[11:23:56]

Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust655.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:23:57]

justinh:

I'm bloody not

[11:24:04]

Winkie_:

gbee: well they're different worlds

[11:24:13]

Winkie_:

i mean mythtv does practically nothing that xbmc does and vice versa

[11:24:16]

justinh:

if I was I'd be all over 0.22. And I'm not

[11:24:16]

Winkie_:

other than generic 'playing things'

[11:24:24]

justinh:

Winkie_: wrong

[11:24:31]

Winkie_:

justinh: hmm?

[11:24:45]

justinh:

metadata collection? etc etc etc

[11:24:51]

justinh:

they have plenty in common

[11:25:18]

sid3windr:

jamooooo

[11:25:18]

Winkie_:

hmm, perhaps i am not remembering that

[11:25:44]

justinh:

anyway, looks like today is one of those days where a permanent channel ban wouldn't go down badly

[11:26:01]

Winkie_:

lol

[11:26:01]

sid3windr:

there's always /quit ... :p

[11:26:54]

justinh:

oops i forgot, you virtually have to be saddam hussein to get banned from IRC

[11:27:22]

_bt (_bt!i=foobar@unaffiliated/bt/x-192343) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:27:50]

gbee:

nah, you have to be at least Tony Blair or George Bush

[11:28:05]

gbee:

ol' Saddam would be fine

[11:30:35]

justinh:

like a moth to a flame, me & trolls

[11:32:01]

Winkie_:

lol if i was trolling i wouldn't have been anywhere near as nice

[11:32:10]

Winkie_:

i would have been telling you that my way is the only way :p

[11:32:23]

justinh:

:-S

[11:32:54]

justinh:

anyway, all this talk is completely *pointless*. things are the way they are. end of

[11:33:17]

justinh:

wishing for things here ain't gonna make anything happen

[11:34:46]

beatbreaker (beatbreaker!n=AndyMike@c211-30-15-33.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has quit ("Leaving")

[11:35:07]

justinh:

this made me laugh yesterday btw "The launch of Freeview HD consolidates the UK's position as a global leader in the deployment of digital television services"

[11:35:54]

gbee:

justinh: you know what's really sad?

[11:36:00]

gbee:

it might actually be true

[11:36:22]

justinh:

a global leader, many years behind the rest of the world

[11:36:33]

justinh:

first to roll out dvb-t2 maybe. leading in that

[11:37:00]

gbee:

as bad as we're being screwed on things like quality, I've seen much worse :(

[11:38:46]

justinh:

last test clip I found won't play at all on my new box.. well not in any fluid manner so I can't comment on how BBC HD looks now

[11:39:47]

gbee:

to be fair it's still not as bad as the US HD clips, but it's a step down from where it was

[11:40:23]

gbee:

my comment wasn't really about HD but about the quality of all channels in general

[11:40:47]

justinh:

hmmm. you might be right

[11:41:03]

justinh:

even ITV isn't as bad as most american free TV I've seen

[11:41:28]

justinh:

and american stuff isn't the worst in the world by *any* stretch of the imagination

[11:42:14]

justinh:

hell even Sky can only dream of being Fox news :P

[11:43:27]

justinh:

Winkie_: you know what really bugs me about live tv? How anybody puts up with it. I tried it once

[11:44:15]

Winkie_:

justinh: did you grow up with sky plus or something?

[11:44:20]

justinh:

lol

[11:44:32]

justinh:

no, I grew up with THREE channel TV

[11:45:04]

Winkie_:

i think it was always 4 when i was young

[11:45:07]

Winkie_:

i remember the 5 turnon at least

[11:45:21]

justinh:

I meant what bugs me is that livetv in mythtv is just so.... HNNNNNNNNNNG

[11:45:38]

Winkie_:

oh well i don't watch that much tv

[11:45:43]

Winkie_:

but it seemed fine

[11:45:47]

Winkie_:

turn it on, select channel

[11:45:51]

Winkie_:

pause while going for a piss

[11:46:08]

justinh:

surprised that the apparent volume of people who use it haven't had a collective head knocking together & tried to get to the root of the issues

[11:46:34]

gbee:

I don't get why anyone would waste their time with LiveTV anymore

[11:46:52]

justinh:

I tried it the other week when I was testing my tuners on the new backend box. it's still awful

[11:46:55]

Winkie_:

because some people don't see it as a waste of time

[11:47:02]

justinh:

ruh-roh

[11:47:15]

gbee:

but it is ...

[11:47:23]

Winkie_:

not to them

[11:47:26]

gbee:

anyway, lets please stop this

[11:47:28]

GreyFoxx:

some people think global warming is a myth too

[11:47:31]

GreyFoxx:

;)

[11:47:44]

justinh:

it is. climate change isn't though :)

[11:47:45]

Winkie_:

yes but i don't think there's an empirical basis for livetv being a waste of time

[11:47:54]

GreyFoxx:

I don't wanna go to work today

[11:47:56]

Winkie_:

it's a matter of opinion

[11:48:05]

Winkie_:

some people like just turning the tv on and finding something to watch

[11:48:13]

justinh:

bickering about it has been a waste of all our time

[11:48:15]

Winkie_:

i mean usually i don't, so i can't really comment on their mindset

[11:48:19]

Winkie_:

haha

[11:50:14]

gbee:

trawling/channel flipping, watching hours of adverts and what, to watch maybe an hour of entertaining TV for every two-three hours sat in front of the box? Life must be pretty empty if you can _choose_ to waste time like that

[11:50:30]

quicksilver:

OK, here is a use for LiveTV

[11:50:37]

quicksilver:

Sometimes we get a babysitter

[11:50:40]

quicksilver:

she wants to watch TV

[11:50:41]

Winkie_:

gbee: many people do this with friends

[11:50:46]

quicksilver:

I don't want to teach her how to use myth

[11:50:50]

Winkie_:

gbee: that makes things a bit different :)

[11:50:54]

quicksilver:

I just want to say "this is the channel change button, enjoy"

[11:51:12]

Winkie_:

quicksilver: well mythtv can do that now?

[11:51:16]

Winkie_:

at least, i think it can!

[11:51:25]

quicksilver:

sure, it's OK

[11:51:28]

gbee:

Winkie_: unconvinced – I don't see how it really changes anything :)

[11:51:30]

quicksilver:

I don't have a big problem with LiveTV

[11:51:48]

gbee:

quicksilver: so just switch over to the TV and bypass the MythTV box altogether

[11:51:58]

quicksilver:

I have a big problem with people suggesting I'm somehow inadequate, or sufferring from ADD, or have an empty life, just because I see a use for livetv

[11:52:09]

quicksilver:

gbee: MythTV is our DVB-T decoder.

[11:52:13]

Winkie_:

gbee: sit down with some friends, some beers and some food and start discussing things :)

[11:52:25]

justinh:

Winkie_: that's what pubs are for

[11:52:26]

quicksilver:

gbee: my only tuners are tuner cards

[11:52:52]

gbee:

Winkie_: sure, but watch something worth watching or do that down the pub

[11:52:57]

Winkie_:

justinh: and there's usually live tv in pubs :p

[11:53:17]

Winkie_:

gbee: sounds like a waste of time to me :D

[11:53:41]

justinh:

Winkie_: I don't go in pubs where there are televisions :P

[11:54:19]

justinh:

watching sport... now there's a waste of time & a half

[11:54:32]

Winkie_:

justinh: i guess, there are bars around here without TVs but i don't think any pubs

[11:55:15]

** justinh whacks puddles_pc with a hammer **

[11:55:26]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:55:43]

gbee:

you know what? This is a waste of time ...

[11:55:44]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust513.leic.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Gone")

[11:56:11]

quicksilver:

a wise observation indeed.

[11:56:34]

Winkie_:

haha

[11:57:17]

justinh:

he's right, of course

[11:57:19]

justinh (justinh!n=justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust69.manc.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[11:58:07]

quicksilver:

It's officialy! #mythtv-users is now the exclusive domain of the livetv-sympathisers! The livetv-doubters have left the building.

[11:58:12]

quicksilver:

;)

[11:58:25]

Winkie_:

victory

[11:59:45]

Dibblah:

Meh. LiveTV is a waste of time.

[11:59:54]

Dibblah:

However, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't work.

[12:00:14]

Dibblah:

There are only a couple of real bugs left, though.

[12:01:24]

pheld (pheld!i=lxcpai@81-31-227-239.net.nc-systems.no) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[12:01:30]

quicksilver:

Certainly it works well enough for my very limited use of it.

[12:01:34]

Winkie_:

well i originally made a point i'vem ade before, which is that i would like to see the ability to automatically watch a recording rather than assigning another tuner if a user is already watching that particular channel

[12:01:41]

Winkie_:

but i appreciate that nobody is going to write it for me unless they want to

[12:01:54]

Winkie_:

but i was never saying that in the first place, just voicing my opinion :)

[12:02:19]

quicksilver:

I'm not sure I understand. You mean you when the recording starts and you're already watching the channel you want the option to "keep watching it while it records" ?

[12:02:26]

quicksilver:

(that's already one of the options)

[12:02:39]

Winkie_:

quicksilver: no, what i mean is that say user a is watching bbc 1

[12:02:41]

Winkie_:

on tuner 1

[12:02:47]

Winkie_:

and user b tries to watch bbc 1

[12:02:50]

Winkie_:

at the moment he would watch on tuner 2

[12:02:56]

quicksilver:

oh I see, yes.

[12:03:04]

Winkie_:

i would prefer to keep tuner 2 free

[12:03:09]

quicksilver:

I agree that would be a clever trick.

[12:03:34]

Winkie_:

yeah, i've come across a couple of situations now where there would concievably be more users and TVs than tuners

[12:03:38]

octavsly (octavsly!n=nlv10904@static.ip-80-255-245-177.signet.nl) has quit (Connection timed out)

[12:03:49]

Winkie_:

but in all of those situations the other users would be watching only a small number of channels in total

[12:06:05]

Winkie_:

I had a look at the code a while ago, but I am not a C/C++ programmer and I didn't look at enough to get a good understanding of it

[12:07:46]

XLV_ (XLV_!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit (Connection timed out)

[12:09:14]

pat (pat!n=pat@203.171.82.242.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[12:09:55]

pat_ (pat_!n=pat@203.171.82.242.static.rev.aanet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:12:34]

Dave123 (Dave123!n=dave@cpe-74-69-108-236.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[12:12:54]

Dave123 (Dave123!n=dave@cpe-74-69-108-236.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:18:57]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has quit ()

[12:25:05]

** mzb raises a hand for LiveTV ... gets daily use during "ABC for Kids" **

[12:34:41]

mzb:

... and occasional use with guests who don't understand the concept of mythtv, but insist on watching "Football" or "Big Brother" live ... *sigh*

[12:34:49]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@109-109-73-141.broadband.customer.telefiber.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:36:53]

mzb:

this often has the strange (and possibly undesirable) side-effect of MoWAF (Mother of Wife Acceptance Factor;)))

[12:37:51]

_bt (_bt!i=foobar@unaffiliated/bt/x-192343) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[12:40:24]

mzb:

imo LiveTV is also a good diagnostic tool (for various reasons)

[12:42:52]

** mzb also does not use a STB **

[12:43:26]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has quit ("leaving")

[12:43:48]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:45:12]

_abbenormal is now known as _abbe

[12:46:11]

_abbe is now known as _abbenormal

[12:48:30]

Shred00 (Shred00!n=brian@d67-193-197-208.home3.cgocable.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[12:55:17]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:01:41]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev")

[13:03:58]

octavsly (octavsly!n=nlv10904@static.ip-80-255-245-177.signet.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:04:17]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:11:07]

Greek-Boy (Greek-Boy!n=email@41.188.154.137) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:26:32]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!n=pintlezz@190.244.73.136) has quit (Connection timed out)

[13:27:02]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!n=pintlezz@190.244.73.136) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:29:40]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:31:32]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:35:56]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@mithrandir.anu.edu.au) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[13:45:33]

JJ1 (JJ1!n=jjensen@jeffjensen.dsl.visi.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[13:47:25]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev")

[13:52:45]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:53:59]

Scopeuk (Scopeuk!n=scopeukf@cpc1-mfld11-0-0-cust667.nott.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:01:25]

justinh (justinh!n=justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust69.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:28]

leoncamel (leoncamel!n=leoncame@58-3-132-221.ppp.bbiq.jp) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:12:04]

leoncamel (leoncamel!n=leoncame@58-3-132-221.ppp.bbiq.jp) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:14:16]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit ()

[14:20:44]

davidm (davidm!n=David@nat/ti/x-iqifqgmrxouwgkgs) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:21:12]

davidm is now known as Guest78736

[14:23:32]

hadeees (hadeees!n=hadees@72-48-75-59.dyn.grandenetworks.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[14:24:32]

rxt0 (rxt0!n=rxt0@200.87.221.3) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:31:31]

devinheitmueller (devinheitmueller!n=devinhei@208.51.239.218) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:37:05]

JJ1 (JJ1!n=jjensen@mail.intertech.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:37:05]

rooter7 (rooter7!n=carl@96-26-202-116.sea.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:37:40]

JJ1 (JJ1!n=jjensen@mail.intertech.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[14:38:12]

rooter7:

Increasing the number of channels and timeslots in my EPG, I am able to do this with the grid, but not the challellist or times.

[14:40:08]

Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust655.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("Leaving.")

[14:42:35]

antgel_ (antgel_!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:43:45]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev")

[14:45:09]

rxt0 (rxt0!n=rxt0@200.87.221.3) has quit ("Leaving")

[14:53:18]

antgel (antgel!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[15:01:10]

Heliwr (Heliwr!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[15:05:02]

PeaceKeeper (PeaceKeeper!i=PeaceKee@12.148.112.253) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:10:05]

rooter7 (rooter7!n=carl@96-26-202-116.sea.clearwire-dns.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:10:08]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-35-129-181.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:10:26]

justinh:

rooter7: the number of buttons you can fit in the timeslot & channel button lists is area height (or area width) divided by button height (or width) plus spacing

[15:10:30]

justinh:

damnit

[15:10:41]

justinh:

anyway it's not blimmin rocket science

[15:11:10]

leoncamel (leoncamel!n=leoncame@58-3-132-221.ppp.bbiq.jp) has quit ("leaving")

[15:18:40]

Josh_Borke:

justinh: it's not rocket science only because you forgot to include units ;-)

[15:19:21]

Dibblah:

And... He left.

[15:19:28]

Dibblah:

Making it all pointless.

[15:19:55]

Josh_Borke:

let's be honest, it would have been pointless had he been here

[15:21:31]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@rrcs-24-153-239-108.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:22:35]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:29:35]

justinh:

if he's not got it yet I doubt he ever will

[15:32:00]

justinh:

anyway the good news is the lab is starting to look a bit more tidy

[15:33:12]

rooter7 (rooter7!n=carl@96-26-202-116.sea.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:33:39]

justinh:

omh he's back

[15:33:50]

justinh:

rooter7: the number of buttons you can fit in the timeslot & channel button lists is area height (or area width) divided by button height (or width) plus spacing

[15:34:49]

justinh:

so if the buttonlist area is 100,200 you could fit ten 100x10 buttons with 10 pixels spacing

[15:35:54]

justinh:

kind of

[15:36:43]

justinh:

so to make more items fit the area, make each one smaller (!)

[15:36:54]

Josh_Borke:

NO WAI!

[15:37:28]

justinh:

WAI!

[15:37:34]

justinh:

I can haz MOAR ITEMZ

[15:38:25]

rooter7:

OK. So <channels wouldn't work in the channellist.

[15:38:44]

justinh:

ruh?

[15:39:45]

rooter7:

I tried to graft the <channels> setting into the channellist, hoping it would increase channels.

[15:40:03]

justinh:

no

[15:40:22]

justinh:

the number of visible items is defined by the area and the size of each button item

[15:41:17]

rooter7:

OK, I'll try to figure out what you mean.

[15:41:28]

justinh:

rooter7: each channel in the list is a button ok?

[15:41:39]

rooter7:

Ya.

[15:41:40]

justinh:

in the channel list

[15:41:42]

justinh:

right

[15:41:46]

justinh:

every button has a height

[15:42:01]

justinh:

the total area of the buttonlist is defined

[15:42:05]

rooter7:

But there's <area>, <textarea>, etc.

[15:42:27]

justinh:

there are areas *within* the button

[15:42:51]

rooter7:

Oh man...

[15:43:58]

rooter7:

So <textarea> must be the space for the text within the <buttonarea>?

[15:44:11]

mrand_ (mrand_!i=4acbf184@gateway/web/freenode/x-xfkbezkrosdtzmkb) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:44:15]

rooter7:

So somehow I need to make more buttons, for 10 channels?

[15:44:24]

justinh:

no you need to make the buttons smaller

[15:44:25]

justinh:

FFS

[15:44:27]

gizmobay (gizmobay!n=gizmobay@ip98-165-206-1.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:44:51]

justinh:

and adjust the size of stuff inside each button smaller accordingly

[15:44:56]

mrand_ (mrand_!i=4acbf184@gateway/web/freenode/x-xfkbezkrosdtzmkb) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:45:18]

justinh:

I give up

[15:45:22]

justinh (justinh!n=justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust69.manc.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:45:22]

rooter7:

So <buttonarea> is 0,0,180,330, I need to reduce the 180?

[15:45:43]

rooter7:

Well, dammit.

[15:49:05]

Dibblah:

... Yes, I think so.

[15:49:23]

Dibblah:

Try it and see :)

[15:50:43]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:51:14]

rooter7:

Now my frontend cannot see the database...

[15:52:59]

maddslacker:

I'm running Mythtv .022 on Slackware linux. When I watch live tv or mythvideo I have to hit menu and set the aspect ratio and fill each time I watch. SO, I found the global setting for that in 'appearance' but when I set it there, anything I try to watch plays sound, but the viceo is stuck on 'Please wait...' and the video never plays

[15:53:02]

wagnerrp_:

rooter7: #mythtv-theming does exist for this purpose

[15:53:12]

maddslacker:

*0.22

[15:53:16]

wagnerrp_:

why am i 'wagnerrp_'....

[15:53:39]

mangus580:

because you are not cool enough to be wagnerrp today

[15:53:44]

wagnerrp_:

ips didnt change...

[15:53:57]

wagnerrp_:

thats usually the only reason i reconnect

[15:54:00]

mangus580:

I have had that happen before

[15:54:01]

maddslacker:

heh /nick ftw

[15:54:39]

wagnerrp_:

maddslacker: i know how to change it.... but generally the fact that it did change in the first place means bad things happened

[15:55:02]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp_, I don't follow, do you mean the fact that it's not displaying correctly on its own?

[15:55:35]

wagnerrp_:

i mean something caused me to disconnect and reconnect quickly, which caused a new name when the old one was taken

[15:55:54]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp_, oh, you mean your IP vs nick,,,gotcha

[15:56:04]

poodyp1 (poodyp1!n=mythtv@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[15:56:43]

Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust655.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:57:08]

poodyp1 (poodyp1!n=mythtv@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:57:28]

wagnerrp_ is now known as wagnerrp

[15:57:37]

maddslacker:

there he is...wb wagnerrp .. heh

[15:57:41]

wagnerrp:

doesnt seem to be anything wrong

[15:58:01]

Dubstar_04:

has anyone experienced colour inversion recently?

[15:58:13]

wagnerrp:

anyway... changing the default aspect ratio caused playback to subsequently stall?

[15:58:22]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, you could have had a network blip and your real nick didn't let go for a few mins

[15:58:27]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@68-189-95-197.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:58:47]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, correct, setting to 'nothing' makes it work, and I can set it correctly per video as it plays

[15:59:01]

wagnerrp:

maddslacker: well more often than not, those network blips result from my ISP cycling my IPs

[15:59:10]

wagnerrp:

hence my concern

[15:59:30]

maddslacker:

I am running it over an old nvidia card with s-video to an LCD tv, could that be causing display issues of this kind?

[15:59:51]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, i've never had my IP changes cause chat errors, so that is weird

[16:00:12]

wagnerrp:

assuming youve got the proprietary drivers installed, and are using Xv, it should be fine

[16:00:37]

maddslacker:

I do have the proprietery driver, but I need to check on Xv

[16:00:46]

maddslacker:

unless that's default, as I haven't changed it

[16:00:59]

wagnerrp:

thats the default

[16:01:08]

maddslacker:

ok, then I'm using it...heh

[16:01:09]

wagnerrp:

make sure youre using the 'slim' playback profile

[16:01:19]

maddslacker:

ok I will have to check that

[16:01:34]

maddslacker:

is that under the playback options, or in setup?

[16:02:12]

wagnerrp:

setup, tv settings, playback settings

[16:02:25]

wagnerrp:

err... just 'playback'

[16:02:35]

maddslacker:

yup, that's where I though you meant\

[16:02:35]

wagnerrp:

third page

[16:02:42]

maddslacker:

what does that option do?

[16:03:42]

wagnerrp:

slim is just a very basic setup that should work for most users

[16:04:00]

maddslacker:

cool

[16:04:10]

maddslacker:

as long as I can set 16:9 and fill, i'm happy

[16:04:16]

maddslacker:

everything else is working famously

[16:04:23]

wagnerrp:

you may want to set a button to 'w'

[16:04:40]

wagnerrp:

'w' cycles through the aspect ratio, and does metadata grabs in mythvideo

[16:04:40]

maddslacker:

not a bad idea, actually

[16:04:58]

maddslacker:

my MCE remote has no shortage of extra buttons

[16:05:24]

maddslacker:

now that I think about it, mythvideo playing avi fiels comes up correctly, it's live tv and recorded that's at issue

[16:05:26]

rooter7:

Nah, setting <area> and <buttonarea> doesn't work.

[16:05:32]

wagnerrp:

there should be some 'dvd angle' button on there

[16:05:45]

maddslacker:

so maybe it's just the way it is interpreting my cable feed or something

[16:05:57]

maddslacker:

yeah, there is

[16:05:58]

wagnerrp:

do you have a 4:3 or 16:9 tv?

[16:06:05]

maddslacker:

16:9

[16:06:10]

maddslacker:

LCD flat panel

[16:06:18]

wagnerrp:

and youre capturing from an analog tuner?

[16:06:39]

maddslacker:

what's funny is the default view is displayed as squished 4:3. so I literally set 165:9 and it looks normal

[16:06:42]

maddslacker:

yes, analog

[16:06:52]

maddslacker:

*16:9

[16:07:02]

hpeter (hpeter!n=hpeter@250-203.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch) has quit ()

[16:07:05]

maddslacker:

anyway, and the fill is just to push it out to the edges of the screen and use all the space

[16:07:40]

wagnerrp:

ok, so its just displaying letterboxed content at 4:3, and you want it to auto-expand out to full screen

[16:07:51]

maddslacker:

exactly

[16:08:15]

maddslacker:

so menu, aspect, 16:9 works perfectly, but the global setting of the same results in video not displaying, if that makes sense?

[16:10:44]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-98-148-122-5.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[16:10:55]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-234-22.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:15:08]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, so after I try slim, can we point to the s-video vid card possibly? I was looking to upgrade to one with HDMI anyway

[16:15:23]

wagnerrp:

it shouldnt matter

[16:15:34]

wagnerrp:

check your frontend logs to see if its complaining about something

[16:15:58]

mangus580:

wagnerrp: working with newegg to swap my motherboard now... goodbye scan converter! :-)

[16:16:08]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, good idea

[16:16:18]

maddslacker:

I also like setting the 'w' key idea

[16:16:48]

mangus580:

I wish I could set the default aspect ratio :-(

[16:17:23]

rooter7:

Well, it's starting to look like I'm too stupid to decrypt this program guide button size problem.

[16:17:30]

mangus580:

LOL

[16:17:47]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:17:56]

rooter7:

... at least without the secret chart showing what the numbers set.

[16:21:27]

Dibblah:

rooter7: You are modifying and then reloading the frontend, right?

[16:21:50]

rooter7:

Y.

[16:22:13]

rooter7:

<area> seems to be the total space all the buttons are in.

[16:22:31]

Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples

[16:22:42]

Dibblah:

(Assuming you're on trunk or 0.22)

[16:22:50]

mag0o:

and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development

[16:23:00]

rooter7:

... but <buttonarea> simpley does not control the size of the buttons, and <multiline> simply does not make channel names single line.

[16:23:32]

rooter7:

Y, 0.22-fixes.

[16:23:34]

mag0o:

i'd start at that link i posted

[16:23:40]

stoffel (stoffel!n=quassel@p57B4C419.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:23:40]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stoffel

[16:23:44]

rooter7:

Will do, thanks.

[16:25:36]

rooter7:

<buttonarea> does seem to be the setting to make actual buttons smaller. But it simply does not work.

[16:25:38]

MythBork (MythBork!n=B@74-136-124-49.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:26:11]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:26:52]

mag0o:

no, buttonarea allows one to specify the portion of the buttonlist which is taken up by the buttons themselves (from the wiki)

[16:27:20]

rooter7:

Well this sounds like the button size.

[16:27:40]

rooter7:

... which I need to reduce so I get more channels on one page.

[16:28:07]

MythBork (MythBork!n=B@74-136-124-49.dhcp.insightbb.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[16:28:11]

Thelasko (Thelasko!n=lasko@d47-69-134-111.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:28:36]

octavsly (octavsly!n=nlv10904@static.ip-80-255-245-177.signet.nl) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[16:29:25]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, I found that slim setting and trid it out on my laptop here at work

[16:29:35]

maddslacker:

I'll make that change at home on the real system and see what it does

[16:30:05]

Thelasko:

any Mirobridge users here?

[16:30:11]

maddslacker:

and on a related note...laptop with core 2 duo, two screens and mythtv combines well with a data cetner environemtn with no coworkers present :D

[16:33:34]

rooter7 (rooter7!n=carl@96-26-202-116.sea.clearwire-dns.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:34:27]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:38:34]

gunni (gunni!n=quassel@xdsl-84-44-134-118.netcologne.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:38:56]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[16:39:07]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:40:26]

Thelasko:

Anybody know what directory mirobridge downloads files to by default?

[16:40:57]

wagnerrp:

it should download them to one of your storagegroup directories

[16:41:02]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Yes

[16:41:16]

Thelasko:

so /var etc.

[16:41:28]

wagnerrp:

so where ever you told mythtv to record to normally

[16:41:35]

Thelasko:

good

[16:41:45]

Thelasko:

because miro wants to download to /home

[16:41:49]

Thelasko:

but I don't want that

[16:42:01]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Be more specific as Miro downloads to its own directories and MiroBridge creates symlinks for MythTV

[16:42:46]

Thelasko:

where are the actual videos stored that are downloaded by mirobridge?

[16:42:50]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Configure Miro itself to download to a specific directory

[16:43:12]

Thelasko:

I don't care about symlinks, I care about drivespace

[16:43:50]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Actually MiroBridge triggers Miro to download as if you were opening the Miro GUI itself.

[16:43:52]

Thelasko:

I only have 1GB allocated to /home and 14GB to /var

[16:43:59]

Thelasko:

ah,

[16:44:21]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Please read my reply. Configure Miro to download where ever you want.

[16:44:30]

Thelasko:

So I should change the miro directory to /var.../mythtv etc

[16:44:33]

Thelasko:

okay, thanks

[16:44:58]

Thelasko:

it won't break mythtv?

[16:45:14]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: No

[16:46:16]

stoffel (stoffel!n=quassel@p57B4C419.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[16:46:18]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Miro is independant of MythTV while MiroBridge "bridges" the two without altering Miro in any way.

[16:48:02]

S2 (S2!n=quassel@host199-110-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:48:50]

Thelasko:

Would recordings or videos be more appropriate for mirobridge?

[16:49:03]

Thelasko:

i.e. where does it link to by default?

[16:50:15]

iamlindoro:

Pretty sure that's all covered in the mirobridge wiki page

[16:50:24]

iamlindoro:

just because it's long doesn't mean you shouldn't read it ;)

[16:50:28]

Thelasko:

no, it's definitely not

[16:50:34]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Keep the MIRO download directories independent of ALL Mythtv directories. MiroBridge reads the MythTV db to decide where the symlinks should go.

[16:50:37]

Thelasko:

I read the whole thing

[16:51:12]

iamlindoro:

Once the Miro updates are complete Miro Bridge:

[16:51:12]

iamlindoro:

adds new videos to MythTV's "Watch Recordings" screen

[16:51:13]

iamlindoro:

moves watched videos to MythVideo

[16:51:13]

iamlindoro:

removes from MythVideo videos that have been expired/removed by Miro

[16:51:17]

iamlindoro:

That would be in the *first heading*

[16:51:27]

iamlindoro:

Seems pretty clear about what it does

[16:52:11]

Thelasko:

no, it doesn't actually say what it does with the files

[16:52:16]

Thelasko:

just where it puts them in the menu

[16:52:37]

iamlindoro:

"During processing cover art and screen shots may be copied or created but video files by default are symlinks to the Miro's video. This means no redundant video files and no additional disk space used for video files."

[16:52:40]

iamlindoro:

You mean like that?

[16:52:44]

iamlindoro:

In the third paragraph?

[16:52:57]

Thelasko:

must have missed that

[16:53:02]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Please follow what I wrote and you will not mess up either Miro or MythTV

[16:53:25]

Thelasko:

okay, so I need to create a new directory in /var for miro videos

[16:53:38]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: Sounds like a plan

[16:53:42]

andreax (andreax!n=Andreaz@tmo-100-162.customers.d1-online.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:54:53]

gunni_ (gunni_!n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-248-51.netcologne.de) has quit (Success)

[16:55:35]

mgisbers is now known as mgisbers_away

[16:55:58]

hume (hume!n=magnus@84-217-48-93.tn.glocalnet.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:57:50]

hume:

hi.... is there a way I can do a fresh search for channels, but keep or save the settings I have right now?

[16:58:23]

hume:

I am afraid to loose what I have, I am really searching for one more channel that me and the provider not really agree on where it is....

[16:59:26]

DarK`` (DarK``!n=d4rk@91.178.195.192) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:00:05]

teknopagan (teknopagan!n=justin@74.7.161.194) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:00:25]

jpabq- (jpabq-!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ("ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net")

[17:00:25]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:00:28]

abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ()

[17:02:48]

DarK`` (DarK``!n=d4rk@91.178.223.87) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:05:21]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:06:01]

jpabq- (jpabq-!n=jpabq@c-98-230-202-207.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:08:24]

erik_____ (erik_____!n=erik@c-c46b70d5.020-77-6b73642.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:12:42]

wagnerrp:

hume: make a dump of the 'channel' table

[17:13:20]

stoffel (stoffel!n=quassel@p57B4C419.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:13:21]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stoffel

[17:15:54]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-209-80-20.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit ()

[17:16:39]

abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@97-119-175-45.albq.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:28:14]

wagnerrp:

someone needs to explain to Brianboonstra the concept of the 'preview' button...

[17:29:11]

Heliwr (Heliwr!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:33:37]

PeaceKeeper:

thetvdb.com back?

[17:33:42]

wagnerrp:

kinda

[17:33:48]

wagnerrp:

it was up earlier today

[17:33:50]

maddslacker:

that reminds me

[17:33:53]

** PeaceKeeper checking forums :) **

[17:33:55]

wagnerrp:

but they had discovered some database corruption

[17:34:01]

PeaceKeeper:

ahhh

[17:34:03]

maddslacker:

is that why my info downloads in mythvideo don't work?

[17:34:04]

wagnerrp:

so they took it down and are doing a complete rebuild

[17:34:07]

wagnerrp:

make a dat or two

[17:34:14]

PeaceKeeper:

so API working agian?

[17:34:15]

wagnerrp:

maddslacker: for TV shows, yes

[17:34:21]

wagnerrp:

no, its all down currently

[17:34:27]

PeaceKeeper:

ok

[17:34:28]

wagnerrp:

(except for the forums)

[17:34:34]

PeaceKeeper:

then I wait some more :)

[17:34:58]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, I'm having an issue with avi movie files, specifically

[17:35:06]

maddslacker:

oh, question was tvdb, nm..different issue

[17:35:16]

wagnerrp:

avi movies != tv.... you should be able to use the tmdb grabber just fine

[17:35:33]

maddslacker:

but yeah, my movie files on my hard drive play jsut fine, but no info gets downloaded...it's all blank

[17:35:40]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, I agree..but I can't...heh

[17:35:44]

wagnerrp:

assuming you dont have some non-sensical name that mythvideo cannot parse

[17:35:55]

iamlindoro:

Metadata downloads are not automatic

[17:36:04]

wagnerrp:

hit the 'w' key

[17:36:12]

iamlindoro:

(with a film highlighted)

[17:36:12]

maddslacker:

ok one sec, I'll test it

[17:36:13]

wagnerrp:

or go through the 'i' menu

[17:36:35]

iamlindoro:

and no "x24 dvdrip yomomma" stuff either

[17:36:38]

maddslacker:

I have tested the names, tested the connection to tmdb, etc

[17:36:41]

iamlindoro:

MythVideo doesn't speak thief

[17:36:46]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@109-109-73-141.broadband.customer.telefiber.no) has quit ("Leaving.")

[17:37:06]

maddslacker:

iamlindoro, not having that conversation right now

[17:37:26]

iamlindoro:

Jus telling you it won't work if that stuff is in there

[17:37:29]

iamlindoro:

happily

[17:37:49]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, tried it on a movie file titled "French Kiss.avi"

[17:37:52]

maddslacker:

no luck

[17:38:22]

maddslacker:

same for "Blade Runner.avi"

[17:38:28]

wagnerrp:

works fine for me

[17:38:33]

iamlindoro:

0113117:French Kiss (1995)

[17:38:35]

maddslacker:

would the release year in the file name help at all

[17:38:37]

iamlindoro:

Works fine here

[17:38:38]

teknopagan (teknopagan!n=justin@74.7.161.194) has quit ("Leaving")

[17:38:53]

iamlindoro:

No, no years in titles

[17:38:54]

iamlindoro:

just titles

[17:39:15]

maddslacker:

ok one sec

[17:39:17]

iamlindoro:

You can check out the frontend logs (or better, post them here for me to view them)

[17:39:37]

iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl -M "French Kiss" returns the above

[17:39:43]

wagnerrp:

(pastebin them and post the url here to view them)

[17:39:52]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@ip503c5d4c.speed.planet.nl) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:39:56]

iamlindoro:

^ indeed

[17:40:02]

maddslacker:

no change removing the year from the title

[17:40:24]

maddslacker:

is there a way to run the lookup from the cli and see the output directly?

[17:40:32]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, where are those logs written to?

[17:40:33]

iamlindoro:

tmdb.pl -M "French Kiss"

[17:40:34]

wagnerrp:

see iamlindoro's command above

[17:40:36]

iamlindoro:

I just did

[17:40:38]

iamlindoro:

works fine

[17:40:39]

maddslacker:

oh, I see it now

[17:40:52]

wagnerrp:

maddslacker: depends on how you ran it

[17:41:19]

wagnerrp:

but first guess would be /var/log/mythtv/

[17:41:22]

** maddslacker trying to rememebr the path to tmdb.pl script...heh **

[17:41:39]

wagnerrp:

/usr/[local/]share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Movies/tmdb.pl

[17:41:59]

maddslacker:

yup, just found it...heh

[17:42:55]

maddslacker:

hmm, I might have a missing dep

[17:42:57]

maddslacker:

could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX

[17:42:57]

maddslacker:

0113117:French Kiss (1995)

[17:43:18]

iamlindoro:

s/might//

[17:43:18]

wagnerrp:

is this a source install or package?

[17:43:43]

maddslacker:

source

[17:43:58]

maddslacker:

but compiled via a slackbuild

[17:44:16]

maddslacker:

was it missing an option in ./configure perhaps? or is this a perl versioni issue

[17:45:32]

PeaceKeeper:

How do special episodes word for ttvdb? Like the Doctor Who special Wars of Mars (if it ever plays here :( )

[17:45:41]

iamlindoro:

Season 0

[17:45:46]

PeaceKeeper:

Ahhh

[17:45:47]

wagnerrp:

configure does not special dependency checking on anything besides compiled code

[17:45:59]

wagnerrp:

if youre missing stuff for scripts, it wont tell you

[17:46:31]

mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers

[17:46:32]

maddslacker:

it looks like a very specific perl file issue, let me google that

[17:47:40]

clyons (clyons!n=clyons@unaffiliated/clyons) has quit ("Leaving")

[17:48:47]

oobe:

maddslacker, im using current and have no problems with tmdb.pl mind you i installed perl modules missing for other things before i tested

[17:49:06]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, I'm installing perl-xml-sax from my dsitro, it appears that I have a version, possibly bundled with mythvideo?

[17:49:11]

maddslacker:

oobe, yeah, my thoughts too

[17:49:26]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:49:37]

Essobi_ is now known as Essobi

[17:49:44]

iamlindoro:

mythvideo doesn't include any third part perl modules

[17:49:48]

iamlindoro:

party

[17:49:53]

oobe:

non off my scripts work before i did that

[17:50:42]

stoffel:

maddslacker: you might try this: http://perl-xml.sourceforge.net/faq/#parserdetails.ini

[17:50:52]

maddslacker:

besides perl-xml-sax and its one dep, any others I should grab?

[17:51:26]

maddslacker:

stoffel, heh, that's what the google told me too, thus my grabbing it frlom distro as I mentioned above

[17:51:29]

maddslacker:

great minds and all that

[17:52:02]

rgd (rgd!n=rgd@81.144.136.164) has quit ("When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net")

[17:52:14]

wagnerrp:

great minds think differently

[17:52:22]

oobe:

maddslacker, what i did for some of my grabber modules is run the script then look at what is missing then cpan them one by one

[17:52:28]

wagnerrp:

if they all thought alike, there would be no innovation for them to stand out in history

[17:52:40]

maddslacker:

oobe, good call

[17:53:19]

maddslacker:

theoretically, I could have done this on ubuntu and apt-get install all_the_stuff_I_need

[17:53:24]

maddslacker:

but where's the fun in that? heh

[17:53:28]

meek_ (meek_!n=quassel@c114-76-89-108.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:08]

maddslacker:

bingo, that fixed the some_movie.avi one

[17:55:10]

maddslacker:

thanks guys

[17:56:06]

oobe:

i just stopped using ubuntu

[17:56:23]

maddslacker:

I used it for a couple years back when I needed evolution-exchange for work

[17:56:24]

oobe:

easy to install and setup nightmare to maintain

[17:56:28]

maddslacker:

agreed

[17:56:47]

hume:

wagnerrp, thx (about channel table)

[17:56:49]

oobe:

i havent used slackware since 9.X

[17:56:55]

maddslacker:

I actually installed it on the new myth box at hoe cuz slackware wouldn;t play nice with my raid controller

[17:56:58]

oobe:

i tried 10 and 11 though

[17:57:11]

maddslacker:

oobe, you should check it out, 13 x86_64 is awesome

[17:57:32]

oobe:

yeah i would but i already installed the x86

[17:57:35]

maddslacker:

heh

[17:57:44]

oobe:

i used to spend hrs testing different distros and build

[17:57:52]

maddslacker:

I have 64 on my laptop and it is very solid, home is x86 due to older P4

[17:57:54]

oobe:

its lost its charm

[17:57:58]

maddslacker:

agreed

[17:58:08]

maddslacker:

I have like 2 I go to for different things

[17:58:19]

maddslacker:

i.e. slackware for desktop and stripped down headless servers

[17:58:26]

maddslacker:

centos for full-blown servers

[17:58:28]

oobe:

thats actually why i install slack cause i know it will stay stable till i decide to install somthing else

[17:58:44]

maddslacker:

oobe, good call, /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts$ ./fetch_poster.py --help

[17:58:44]

maddslacker:

You need to install the IMDbPy library from (http://imdbpy.sourceforge.net/?page=download)

[17:58:53]

** maddslacker nods about slack **

[17:59:10]

maddslacker:

with kde 4.3 it makes a fantastic daily desktop for my work/personal laptop

[17:59:10]

keith4:

where can I grab the updated imdb scripts?

[17:59:23]

iamlindoro:

We don't do imdb scripts any more

[17:59:35]

iamlindoro:

they're kaput

[17:59:37]

keith4:

damn. i'm getting "<p>" for some metadata fields, these days

[18:00:12]

oobe:

maddslacker, isnt 13 using kde 4.2?

[18:00:28]

maddslacker:

oobe, sorry yes, -current is on 4.3

[18:00:44]

maddslacker:

my "production" myth box is at 13.0, laptop I keep on -current

[18:01:32]

maddslacker:

iamlindoro, I can neither confirm nor deny that mythvideo will or won't pull movie info for a movie that is or is not out on dvd yet

[18:01:41]

maddslacker:

<<

[18:01:41]

maddslacker:

>>

[18:02:20]

** maddslacker is compiling the rest of the perl stuffs **

[18:02:25]

iamlindoro:

Implied piracy is against channel rules too

[18:02:58]

maddslacker:

heh, I just hit escape in kwrite, as if I was in vi

[18:03:00]

iamlindoro:

And nobody ever said it wouldn't work if it wasn't out on DVD, TMDB is a general information resource, not just for video files

[18:03:01]

maddslacker:

old habits

[18:03:25]

maddslacker:

<iamlindoro> MythVideo doesn't speak thief

[18:03:34]

iamlindoro:

Which is true, it doesn't

[18:03:37]

maddslacker:

implied i guessis a better description

[18:03:54]

iamlindoro:

Won't parse or help you deal with leetspeak filenames

[18:03:57]

maddslacker:

but it grabbed star teek french kiss and balde runner text info

[18:03:59]

iamlindoro:

I suggest you drop this subject

[18:04:01]

maddslacker:

which is what's in my folder

[18:04:09]

maddslacker:

now working on the posters

[18:09:38]

maddslacker:

heh, kinda cool I didn't even have to restart mythfrontend once I installed the perl stuffs it just starts working

[18:09:58]

meek (meek!n=quassel@c114-76-71-126.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:10:28]

oobe:

maddslacker, could you do me a favour and keep note of what modules you need to install i want to package them and i forgot to take note

[18:10:52]

maddslacker:

yeah, in fact I'm doing just that cuz I'll have to recompile at home (x86 vs 64)

[18:11:14]

oobe:

i want to make a slackware mythtv repo

[18:11:24]

maddslacker:

mmmm, that would be nice

[18:11:26]

oobe:

hopefully with a setup script

[18:11:39]

maddslacker:

IIRC everything i've needed was on slackbuilds.org exept ivtv

[18:11:42]

oobe:

one that setup sql and mythweb

[18:12:16]

oobe:

i know but would be good to have somthing for people who just want things to work oobe

[18:12:37]

maddslacker:

yeah, mysql was kind of a PITA

[18:12:47]

oobe:

yea exactly

[18:12:48]

maddslacker:

oh, and I just had to grab imsbperl or whatver is was

[18:13:06]

maddslacker:

http://imdbpy.sourceforge.net/?page=download%29

[18:13:11]

maddslacker:

that one...not on slackbuilds

[18:13:47]

oobe:

i came accross a mplayer svn slackbuild in google not from the official site

[18:14:18]

oobe:

and it missed a / and ended up chmoding all of my binaries so i had to reset all the permissions

[18:14:19]

Guest78736 (Guest78736!n=David@nat/ti/x-iqifqgmrxouwgkgs) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:14:21]

maddslacker:

I use the default build but with the codecs package and of course the dvd libs

[18:14:35]

oobe:

was nasty

[18:14:40]

maddslacker:

seems to work ok that way so I haven't messed with it further

[18:14:48]

oobe:

user was permission denied for everything

[18:14:51]

maddslacker:

oh crap, it did that?

[18:14:53]

maddslacker:

yuck

[18:15:00]

maddslacker:

wow

[18:15:13]

maddslacker:

that wold totally suck

[18:15:21]

oobe:

yea

[18:15:33]

maddslacker:

like where's my backup suck

[18:15:34]

maddslacker:

heh

[18:15:38]

oobe:

sort of thing that would of caused me to reinstall years ago

[18:15:42]

maddslacker:

yeah

[18:15:52]

maddslacker:

it is fixable, but would be very tedious

[18:16:07]

Hadaka:

if I want to upgrade a backend from 0.21 to 0.22, do I just install the new version and start it and everything is fine?

[18:16:07]

oobe:

i chmodded some things manually

[18:16:43]

oobe:

but then decided to reinstalled a Xaps and kde again with installpkg *.tgz

[18:17:05]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-151-254-100.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:05]

maddslacker:

oooh, nice catch

[18:17:12]

maddslacker:

yeah those build scripts will handle all that

[18:17:28]

maddslacker:

it's almost as if Pat knows what he's doing..heh

[18:18:02]

maddslacker:

oobe, that IMDBpy also needs setup tools which it grabs for you, but it's a perfect candidate for a slackbuild

[18:18:03]

S2:

Hadaka, yes!

[18:18:20]

S2:

Hadaka, that's how i did it, and it actually worked.... :)

[18:20:23]

maddslacker:

in frontend, in mythvideo files selection screen, what's the keystroke to fetch posters?

[18:20:33]

maddslacker:

I did 'M' already

[18:20:46]

maddslacker:

errr, 'W' I mean

[18:21:05]

S2:

is svn.mythtv.org down?

[18:22:07]

oobe:

yea its W

[18:22:34]

mag0o:

oobe: i did keep some notes on my latest svn/.22 build – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Lynchmv#relev . . . are_packages

[18:22:34]

maddslacker:

it thinks I already did that though, before I installed the rest of my scripts

[18:22:44]

maddslacker:

will restarting the frontend rescan that info automagically?

[18:22:51]

mag0o:

minus the perl modules

[18:25:11]

maddslacker:

oobe, still not grabbing posters, where can I look for errors?

[18:25:18]

Mandingoceo (Mandingoceo!n=IceChat7@c-98-249-137-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:18]

davidm1 (davidm1!n=David@nat/ti/x-aowrcvmdvwljoxgx) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:50]

Mandingoceo (Mandingoceo!n=IceChat7@c-98-249-137-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:25:53]

oobe:

check the frontend logs if you are running it from there

[18:26:08]

oobe:

then copy and paste the command in console

[18:26:13]

maddslacker:

nm, I ran it by hand...missing python-mysqldb

[18:26:22]

maddslacker:

which I have on the box at home ironically

[18:26:25]

hume (hume!n=magnus@84-217-48-93.tn.glocalnet.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:26:26]

oobe:

mag0o, thats interesting thanks nice write

[18:26:57]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0EAF02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:27:14]

mag0o:

i *think* that's all i used, but i can go back and check my source dirs to see if i missed anything

[18:28:02]

iamlindoro:

imdbpy.py is not a grabber script for use in mythvido

[18:28:06]

iamlindoro:

mythvideo

[18:28:10]

iamlindoro:

use tmdb.pl

[18:28:13]

Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=sandal@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust655.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:28:32]

iamlindoro:

If you've switched the commands to imdbpy, you've broken your config

[18:29:33]

maddslacker:

i was in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts..saw it there and ran it by hand to look for errors

[18:29:46]

maddslacker:

so it's not switched to that in the config at all

[18:30:09]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@5356ECF3.cable.casema.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:30:36]

iamlindoro:

Fact remains that it is no use to anything in the UI, an unrelated to your poster download issues

[18:30:44]

maddslacker:

k

[18:30:55]

iamlindoro:

make sure you're still using tmdb.pl in the UI, run a query, and read the frontend logs

[18:31:11]

maddslacker:

frontend ot mythtv-setup?

[18:31:16]

maddslacker:

*or

[18:31:40]

iamlindoro:

what would mythtv-setup have to do with frontend metadata grabbing?

[18:31:56]

maddslacker:

you said check the settings to make sure it's using tmdb vs imdb

[18:32:16]

iamlindoro:

right... and mythtv-setup is backend setup... sooooooo

[18:32:24]

Gumby (Gumby!n=gumby@unaffiliated/gumby) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:32:30]

maddslacker:

ok, well I'm new to this so a little patience please

[18:32:55]

maddslacker:

and yes, all settings still point to tmdb.pl

[18:33:08]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=RobertLa@pool-173-69-204-119.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[18:33:13]

iamlindoro:

so go try to download a poster, and read your frontend logs

[18:33:15]

yunosh (yunosh!n=jan@horde/jan) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:33:24]

maddslacker:

yup, headed there no

[18:33:26]

maddslacker:

w

[18:34:05]

yunosh:

hi, is it expected behavior that graphite doesn't have any icons in the main menu, or am i missing something?

[18:34:15]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:34:15]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[18:34:58]

wagnerrp:

graphite has no icons in the main menu

[18:35:09]

yunosh:

k

[18:35:42]

maddslacker:

iamlindoro, where is the default location for the frontend logs?

[18:35:59]

yunosh:

is graphite the only theme that shows art in the recordings screen?

[18:36:04]

wagnerrp:

maddslacker: i told you like half an hour ago

[18:36:16]

iamlindoro:

there is no default-- frontend logs spew out to the console you run the frontend in, or wherever your distro might decide to put them

[18:36:17]

wagnerrp:

there is no default location, its entirely up to how you started the frotnend

[18:36:20]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, yeah but a lot's happened since then ;)

[18:36:21]

iamlindoro:

often in /var/log/mythtv or so

[18:36:29]

maddslacker:

I'll run a find

[18:37:35]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, and not just myth suff, i'm also at work

[18:38:34]

Defense|Twin (Defense|Twin!n=jepz@e177228052.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:39:27]

maddslacker:

ok so there is no /var/logs/mythtv, nor is there anything jumping out at me in my home directory

[18:39:36]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, do I need to start it with a switch for logging?

[18:39:49]

ikkeT (ikkeT!n=ikke@xdsl-205-40.nblnetworks.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:39:57]

wagnerrp:

if you have no logs, then it is just logging to the terminal

[18:40:04]

maddslacker:

figures

[18:40:09]

wagnerrp:

if you have no terminal, then you have to close mythfrontend, and run it from a terminal

[18:40:39]

maddslacker:

well I ran ./tmdb.pl -P "French Kiss" from tcli and it returned nothing

[18:40:44]

maddslacker:

i'll try launching from the term

[18:40:50]

maddslacker:

like you said

[18:40:59]

wagnerrp:

where did you get '-P' from?

[18:41:12]

maddslacker:

the mythfronted setup page

[18:41:25]

wagnerrp:

i guess that was the old syntax....

[18:41:43]

wagnerrp:

are you using 0.22? or trunk?

[18:41:57]

ikkeT:

has anyone figured out good tricks to convert latin1 strings to utf8 in mixed mythconverg db?

[18:41:59]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, if it were in mythfrontend , you would be runnin 0.22

[18:42:19]

maddslacker:

i am

[18:42:26]

ikkeT:

like good sed oneliners?

[18:42:28]

maddslacker:

http://pastebin.com/d652a548f

[18:42:49]

maddslacker:

I think I see the issue

[18:42:57]

wagnerrp:

you cant run sed on a mysql database

[18:43:18]

ikkeT:

sure you can, just dump it , sed, and push back

[18:43:38]

wagnerrp:

well then thats not a database, thats a bunch of sql commands

[18:43:46]

ikkeT:

maybe there would be some native commands in sql too...

[18:43:58]

ikkeT:

but i figure that would be the easiest way...

[18:44:04]

wagnerrp:

mysql only has limited regex support

[18:44:17]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, the directory the script is trying to download coverart to doesn't exit

[18:44:20]

maddslacker:

d'oh!

[18:44:28]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=RobertLa@pool-173-69-204-119.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:44:42]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, it should have created it in that case

[18:44:54]

ikkeT:

in my case most pre 22 stuff is in latin1 and post 22 is in utf8

[18:45:12]

maddslacker:

I agree, but no biggy, I'm creating the directories now

[18:45:38]

ikkeT:

so i figured sed would perhaps be the best for rescue, unless someone has better way...

[18:46:01]

maddslacker:

yay

[18:46:05]

maddslacker:

we have images now

[18:46:08]

maddslacker:

thanks again!

[18:46:18]

maddslacker:

so I guess I don't need any of the imdb deps after all

[18:46:32]

maddslacker:

the imdb specific ones anyway, I still needed the perl-xml stuff

[18:47:10]

thefRont (thefRont!i=xelerato@suffers.from.internal-bleeding.de) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:48:01]

ikkeT:

what is recordedseek table in mythconverg?

[18:48:13]

ikkeT:

the size is ~30 megs

[18:48:16]

wagnerrp:

it holds the seektables

[18:48:27]

wagnerrp:

indexes of your keyframes in all your recordings

[18:48:34]

thefRont (thefRont!i=xelerato@suffers.from.internal-bleeding.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:48:35]

wagnerrp:

allows exact seeking

[18:48:48]

ikkeT:

hmmm, any way to get rid of obsolete stuff in there?

[18:49:17]

ikkeT:

or will it create new ones if I just drop it? it makes db huge.

[18:49:24]

wagnerrp:

it will be deleted by mythtv when you delete recordings

[18:49:36]

maddslacker:

per recording though, right?

[18:49:57]

wagnerrp:

you end up with several thousand entries for each recording

[18:50:16]

maddslacker:

among other things I'm sure, is that how it does the commersial skip on playback?

[18:50:17]

ikkeT:

i bet i don't have that much of recordings. currently it has 632 768 rows in it

[18:50:32]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[18:51:56]

ikkeT:

i have 224 recordings vs. 632k entries in recordedseek.

[18:52:13]

ikkeT:

should it have 224 entries in both?

[18:52:44]

wagnerrp:

no, you have one entry for every keyframe in every recording

[18:52:48]

Gumby (Gumby!n=gumby@unaffiliated/gumby) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:52:59]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:53:07]

ikkeT:

ok

[18:54:19]

ikkeT:

so ~3k keyframes per recording. maybe it's ok.

[18:54:54]

ikkeT:

it looked like suspiciously big table

[18:59:17]

Thelasko:

RDV_Linux: Thanks alot! This works brilliantly!

[18:59:22]

Thelasko (Thelasko!n=lasko@d47-69-134-111.try.wideopenwest.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[18:59:33]

maddslacker:

ok one final questio, I have weird symbols in place of apostrophes in the film description text

[18:59:41]

maddslacker:

is that a UTF-8 or similar issue?

[19:00:11]

RDV_Linux:

Thelasko: np

[19:00:49]

cynicismic (cynicismic!n=rclark@94-194-202-107.zone8.bethere.co.uk) has quit ("leaving")

[19:03:24]

davidm1 is now known as David_TIer

[19:05:02]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B97F5B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:06:33]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@rrcs-24-153-239-108.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving.")

[19:06:46]

SubSpawn (SubSpawn!n=spawn@sin.khk.be) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:07:48]

meek (meek!n=quassel@c114-76-105-0.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:09:03]

maddslacker:

oobe, you still want my final slack package list for mythtv and mythplugins?

[19:09:33]

oobe:

yea

[19:09:45]

oobe:

i was more worried about perl dependencies

[19:09:57]

maddslacker:

http://pastebin.com/d5dbd4a0c

[19:10:03]

maddslacker:

that *should* be everything

[19:10:03]

oobe:

thanks

[19:10:24]

maddslacker:

I went doen the imdb rabbit hole, but that should be everything for tmdb.pl use

[19:10:26]

maddslacker:

np

[19:13:26]

PeaceKeeper:

Does JAMU get recorded info to? (like backgrounds)

[19:13:56]

wagnerrp:

only with the proper flag, and only for items recorded or scheduled to record

[19:14:16]

maddslacker:

oobe, that IVTV slackbuild is old and 3rd party, but I've run it on an x86 and a 64 bit machine with no issues

[19:14:30]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:14:54]

oobe:

cool

[19:14:56]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-127-227-175.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:15:04]

RDV_Linux:

PeaceKeeper: See: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Scheduled_and_Recorded

[19:15:29]

PeaceKeeper:

THank you :) looking now

[19:15:37]

RDV_Linux:

PeaceKeeper: Do not use it right now as TVDB is down and the timeout in jamu is very, very long

[19:15:51]

maddslacker:

oobe, also, those are in proper install order ;)

[19:15:55]

PeaceKeeper:

ok :D

[19:16:11]

oobe:

nice

[19:16:45]

antgel_:

have an antec veris rm200 remote control. everything is working properly, apart from the up/down/left/right pad is very sensitive, and is causing myth to appear unresponsive. irw reports many KEY_DOWN etc events even when i press the button for a short time. how can i work around this issue?

[19:17:10]

maddslacker:

oobe, what about a slax liveCD with myth + mysql preconfigured...sort of like mythbuntu?

[19:17:37]

oobe:

maddslacker, i wouldnt want to make a distro

[19:18:01]

oobe:

just an extra repo that makes mythtv setup as easy as a myth distro

[19:18:10]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@68-189-95-197.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:19:03]

maddslacker:

oobe, have you used slax? what I mentioned would actually be pretty straightforward

[19:19:16]

oobe:

years and years ago

[19:19:18]

maddslacker:

but yeah, one spot with all the stuffs packaged would be ftw

[19:19:35]

** mag0o envisions slackpkg install mythtv **

[19:19:53]

oobe:

idea is if someone wants to install slax they can use the repo or slackware offical

[19:19:53]

maddslacker:

the new version of it lets you convert slack tgz packages into slax lzm modules and if yo drop them into the module directory they install at boot time

[19:20:08]

maddslacker:

mag0o, heh, I think that's the idea

[19:20:10]

oobe:

sounds easy

[19:20:38]

oobe:

or slapt-get install since it handles dependencies better

[19:20:41]

maddslacker:

yeah, aside frlom myth, I definitely recommend playing with slax, it's come a LONG way

[19:20:50]

mag0o:

rocket science sounds easy too, put fuel at the end of a cylinder shaped thingy, and light it

[19:20:55]

maddslacker:

slapt-get is depracated and breaks stuff now

[19:21:12]

oobe:

really i been using

[19:21:13]

maddslacker:

mag0o, except I have actually done what I said ;)

[19:21:17]

mag0o:

:)

[19:21:36]

maddslacker:

slackpkg is much better, except for the lack of dep checking of course

[19:21:46]

maddslacker:

which is a design choice by the slack devs btw

[19:21:52]

ikkeT (ikkeT!n=ikke@xdsl-205-40.nblnetworks.fi) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[19:22:38]

meek_ (meek_!n=quassel@c114-76-89-108.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:23:15]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:23:33]

oobe:

i enabled a gnome repo in slapt-get and it installed the dependencies when i installed gedit and abiword

[19:23:41]

maddslacker:

eww, gnome

[19:23:42]

maddslacker:

heh

[19:23:45]

oobe:

but i had to make a few symlinks

[19:23:57]

oobe:

note i didnt install gnome

[19:24:16]

maddslacker:

mostly slapt-get can break some /etc/rc.d config fiels and of couirse the kernel if you don't blacklist it

[19:24:24]

maddslacker:

yeah, any of gnome is as evil as al lof gnome

[19:24:25]

maddslacker:

heh

[19:24:28]

oobe:

not that theres anything wrong with gnome

[19:24:36]

maddslacker:

yrah, I jsut don't prefer it

[19:24:38]

Heliwr_ (Heliwr_!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:25:44]

oobe:

how do i blacklist kernel

[19:26:01]

oobe:

btw it may not affect me since im using latest stable vanilla

[19:26:41]

maddslacker:

if you lock to a version no issues, if you run -current could bugger it up

[19:26:58]

maddslacker:

and I don't remember, I literally haven't used slapt-getin years

[19:27:16]

maddslacker:

doesn't zenwalk use slapt-get under the hood of their gui package manager?

[19:27:16]

errr-or (errr-or!n=chatzill@tmo-100-108.customers.d1-online.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:28:04]

oobe:

well when i was using slack swaret and slapt-get were both new and last time i checked neither were updated but on the slapt-get site now there was a slackware 13 package

[19:28:38]

oobe:

so it seems it is being updated

[19:28:49]

maddslacker:

yeah, swaret is totally dead, and I *think* zenwalk is keeping slapt-get alive

[19:34:00]

robthebob (robthebob!n=rn114@cpc2-oxfd12-0-0-cust353.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:34:42]

Heliwr (Heliwr!n=Heliwr@S0106000000000001.vs.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:34:43]

Heliwr_ is now known as Heliwr

[19:34:53]

antgel_:

have an antec veris rm200 remote control. everything is working properly, apart from the up/down/left/right pad is very sensitive, and is causing myth to appear unresponsive. irw reports many KEY_DOWN etc events even when i press the button for a short time. how can i work around this issue?

[19:35:59]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@5356ECF3.cable.casema.nl) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[19:39:41]

rn114 (rn114!n=rn114@cpc2-oxfd12-0-0-cust353.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:40:50]

dougl (dougl!n=doug@S010600242b3f511f.wp.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:45:03]

robthebob (robthebob!n=rn114@cpc2-oxfd12-0-0-cust353.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[19:51:33]

stoffel (stoffel!n=quassel@p57B4C419.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:51:36]

oobe:

antgel_, you can change the amount of receptiveness in lircrc

[19:52:18]

oobe:

i.e

[19:52:19]

oobe:

begin

[19:52:19]

oobe:

prog = mplayer

[19:52:19]

oobe:

button = replay

[19:52:19]

oobe:

config = seek -10

[19:52:19]

oobe:

repeat = 1

[19:52:20]

oobe:

end

[19:52:35]

oobe:

the key is the repeat function

[19:53:01]

wagnerrp:

oobe: use pastebin

[19:53:13]

oobe:

yea

[19:53:19]

oobe:

being lazy sorry

[19:53:43]

justinh (justinh!n=justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust69.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:59]

gpd:

if I want hd channels do I need to cave and buy Sky+ HD? :(

[19:56:19]

justinh:

gpd: depends which HD channels

[19:56:31]

gpd:

BBC HD?

[19:56:34]

justinh:

there's only a small handful of FTA HD in the UK

[19:56:50]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[19:56:56]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@129.62.210.176) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:57:01]

justinh:

BBC HD is FTA. All you need right now is a DVB-S tuner, dish & LNB pointed at Astra

[19:57:03]

gpd:

watching attenborough's life and wondering if HD is /amazing/ compared to my nova-t dvb card...

[19:57:26]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:57:37]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@129.62.210.176) has quit (Client Quit)

[19:57:51]

gpd:

i have a sky dish pointed at sky... so i could buy a dvb-s hd card and be done?

[19:58:05]

justinh:

just dvb-s right now

[19:58:23]

justinh:

the HD is in the stream. you don't even need a tuner with 'HD' in its spec or in its name even

[19:58:43]

justinh:

prolly better to go for a dvb-s2 card for futureproofing though

[19:58:56]

gpd:

any particular recommendations for a dvb-s2 card? hauppauge?

[19:59:03]

justinh:

BBC HD is on a DVB-S transponder at the moment but that might change in future

[19:59:21]

gpd:

WinTV Nova s-plus?

[19:59:36]

justinh:

the BBC HD channel is the one with the most stuff on it ATM too IIRC, next to Sky junk I mean

[20:01:10]

gpd:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novahds2.html <-- guess i should research this one

[20:01:54]

justinh:

prolly well supported already. check the usual place (linuxtv.org wiki)

[20:02:20]

David_TIer (David_TIer!n=David@nat/ti/x-aowrcvmdvwljoxgx) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:02:36]

gpd:

do you know what the resolution of freeview dvb-t bbc versus dvb-s hd would be?

[20:02:41]

mchou (mchou!n=quassel@unaffiliated/mchou) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:02:48]

gpd:

is dvb-t bbc 1024x576?

[20:02:54]

antgel_ (antgel_!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[20:03:15]

justinh:

720x576 anamorphic

[20:03:20]

gpd:

on a 23 inch lcd it is not clear why you would want anything higher..

[20:04:11]

gpd:

720x576 is essentially DVD quality... correct?

[20:04:31]

pulaski (pulaski!n=quassel@adsl-99-185-247-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:04:52]

justinh:

gpd: lower than DVD bitrates, but yeah

[20:05:13]

justinh:

gpd: even on a 32 inch screen it's unlikely you'd see much benefit at reasonable viewing distances

[20:05:13]

pulaski:

hello, does anyone know the package name for the mythtv installer?

[20:05:29]

gpd:

hmm... 80 quid for that card above... plus might need CPU upgrade for the frontent... ho hum

[20:05:43]

justinh:

gpd: or just a £30 Nvidia card

[20:05:58]

oobe:

pulaski, you didnt ask you question in a non vague way

[20:06:11]

gpd:

already have a nvidia 7300 in there – so might get away with it

[20:06:29]

gpd:

pulaski: package name? what distribution?

[20:06:29]

jarle:

http://svn.mythtv.org/ seems to be timing out on me, what is the link for 0.22-fixes svn?

[20:06:56]

pulaski:

oobe: I apologize, I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic koala

[20:07:01]

justinh:

gpd: nah, 8200 minimum

[20:07:22]

justinh:

pulaski: surely apt-get install mythtv would pull it in

[20:07:33]

justinh:

pulaski: they'll know for sure in #mythbuntu

[20:07:39]

oobe:

pulaski, i think you want mythbuntu-control-centre

[20:08:07]

meek_ (meek_!n=quassel@c114-76-95-236.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:08:33]

pulaski:

oobe that's it! thanks

[20:09:45]

gpd:

justinh: that's just a little annoying... but point taken

[20:10:52]

oobe:

a 7300 would do fine unless you want vdpau

[20:11:14]

gpd:

out of interest – i have never used / seen sky+ – would it be a horrifying shock from mythtv?

[20:11:27]

** maddslacker is doing battle with the ati tv womder 600 USB that just arrived **

[20:11:30]

gpd:

or is it mostly a religious matter?

[20:11:49]

justinh:

gpd: yes. it's bloody awful

[20:12:07]

justinh:

gpd: your recorded programming appears in 'the guide'

[20:12:18]

justinh:

there's no filter/search

[20:12:31]

gpd:

sounds fairly abominable.

[20:12:51]

justinh:

gpd: when they roll the keys, you have no option but to delete recordings you wanted to keep

[20:12:57]

justinh:

cos you can't watch em

[20:13:12]

justinh:

a mate of mine is on his 5th Sky+ box now

[20:13:32]

justinh:

oh and not only do you need a valid subscription to play recordings – you need a good signal too

[20:13:48]

gpd:

ok – first things first – buy a LARGE LCD TV, then DVB-S2, then see if 7300 can cope... cash--

[20:14:12]

justinh:

gpd: the card won't help one iota

[20:14:16]

gpd:

justinh: thanks – good ammunition

[20:14:33]

gpd:

which card?

[20:14:34]

justinh:

gpd: for muggles it's the best thing since sliced bread

[20:14:46]

justinh:

gpd: the 7300. no use for HD accelerated playback AT ALL

[20:15:11]

maddslacker:

oobe, that file list I posted earlier..you know IVTV is only for the hauppauge cards, right?

[20:15:14]

gpd:

i have an 8800 GTX on another machine – but that runs at 300 WATTS.. :(

[20:15:30]

oobe:

maddslacker, and some others but yea

[20:15:46]

oobe:

i dont think i would bother packaging but you never know

[20:15:51]

justinh:

gpd: prolly overcooking it ;-)

[20:16:22]

gpd:

justinh: any idea what screen size 720x576 starts to look crap? 46 inches too big?

[20:16:36]

justinh:

depends on viewing distance

[20:16:42]

justinh:

and the bitrate of stuff

[20:16:42]

gpd:

impossible question i guess – HD will alwayus be better...

[20:17:02]

justinh:

ITV looks like arse on our 32" set peaktime saturday night

[20:17:26]

maddslacker:

oobe, there are a lot of those pvr cards out there still though

[20:17:37]

oobe:

yea

[20:17:46]

second-nickname (second-nickname!n=name@p50899021.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:18:17]

oobe:

i cant test the packages though plus i dont want to be fixing things left and right

[20:18:50]

maddslacker:

yeah

[20:19:29]

gpd:

justinh: any clue if a recently working SKY dish will work without modification with that DVB-S2 card?

[20:20:03]

justinh:

should do

[20:20:11]

errr-or (errr-or!n=chatzill@tmo-100-108.customers.d1-online.com) has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091109134913]")

[20:21:16]

gpd:

justinh: thanks for your help.

[20:21:37]

mobius111001 (mobius111001!i=0c826d91@gateway/web/freenode/x-tyhvqpzpiydgdjhc) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:21:58]

justinh:

np

[20:22:11]

mobius111001:

can anyone tell me, are you able to use mythtv to stream netflix similar to a roku box?

[20:22:26]

meek (meek!n=quassel@c114-76-105-0.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Connection timed out)

[20:22:30]

wagnerrp:

mobius111001: not possible

[20:22:53]

maddslacker:

mange acct only

[20:22:55]

maddslacker:

*manage

[20:23:11]

mobius111001:

wagnerrp i was figuring that was the answer, but had to ask the question. thank you for the confirmation.

[20:23:14]

wagnerrp:

it will not be possible until moonlight gets the same video playback capability as silverlight

[20:23:26]

wagnerrp:

or until netflix provides an officially licensed client

[20:23:29]

maddslacker:

and then M$ will move the bar again

[20:23:42]

mobius111001:

very true maddslacker

[20:26:22]

pulaski:

Hello, I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic koala, I recently installed mythtv in a couple of steps. I believe I began by using apt-get to install the mythbuntu-control-center, then apt-get install mythtv. I have found mythtv to be to cumbersome for my old box and a bit of overkill for simply watching dvds through an external player. Now I wish to remove the whole works. I removed the two packages I had installed but the MythTV

[20:26:22]

pulaski:

Frontend (MythTV Veiwer) remains. Does anyone know what that package called so I may remove it?

[20:27:06]

maddslacker:

pulaski, run synaptic and search on mythtv

[20:27:18]

maddslacker:

uninstall any packages that indicate they are still there

[20:27:24]

second-nickname:

someone here who can guide me through setting up mythtv (with Nova HD S2) ? had some troubles within my last try (no signal, time out)

[20:27:41]

second-nickname:

oh and sorry, i forgot to change my nick ;)

[20:27:50]

mobius111001 (mobius111001!i=0c826d91@gateway/web/freenode/x-tyhvqpzpiydgdjhc) has quit ("Page closed")

[20:28:24]

dan4dm (dan4dm!n=dan@danstowell.demon.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:28:30]

justinh:

pulaski: jees that was a quick turnaround

[20:28:36]

pulaski:

maddslacker: Thanks

[20:28:50]

justinh:

anybody coulda told you mythtv is top-heavy for just watching DVDs

[20:29:13]

pulaski:

justinh: Yeah but I'm grateful for how helpful these irc channels really are.

[20:30:26]

meek (meek!n=quassel@c114-76-95-236.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:30:36]

justinh:

prolly the shortest-lived myth install evah!

[20:30:41]

meek_ (meek_!n=quassel@c114-76-95-236.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:31:32]

second-nickname is now known as ChrisSim

[20:31:55]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@93-125-156-206.dsl.alice.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:32:17]

maddslacker:

pulaski, and to your issue, try VLC for dvd watching

[20:33:19]

wagnerrp:

or a hardware dvd player, or rip them and store them to a hard drive

[20:33:44]

** maddslacker gives up on the USB tuner and goes to lunch :( **

[20:33:46]

wagnerrp:

having to get up and walk over to the box to put in a dvd is rather counter to the purpose of mythvideo

[20:35:18]

pulaski:

maddslacker: Thanks. I was just glad to get xawtv to work for me. I may try to find a package to install VLC. wagnerrp: I'm really not interested in keeping my own copies of dvds, thanks anyway for the suggestion.

[20:35:31]

messerting (messerting!n=messerti@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:35:51]

antgel (antgel!n=topdog@78-105-205-147.zone3.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:41:27]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-209-80-20.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:46:14]

pulaski:

Thanks to all, I have successfully completed my task .... by now

[20:46:21]

pulaski (pulaski!n=quassel@adsl-99-185-247-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has left #mythtv-users ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.")

[20:47:08]

jarle:

is svn.mythtv.org down or is it just really busy?

[20:48:35]

meek (meek!n=quassel@c114-76-95-236.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (Connection timed out)

[20:53:49]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@0x5da34bca.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1105.sdnqu1.customer.tele.dk) has quit ("Leaving")

[20:56:16]

maddslacker:

jarle, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/svn.mythtv.org

[21:00:04]

ChrisSim:

does anyone know a reason why mythtv cant find any channels for me ? I'm using a WinTV Nova HD-S2 with an updated firmware (as google said to fix this issue, but it still doesnt work for me :( )

[21:02:38]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@ppp118-209-80-20.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:02:45]

jarle:

ChrisSim: are you scanning from mythtv-setup?

[21:03:01]

ChrisSim:

yes i do

[21:03:30]

ChrisSim:

yes if you mean backend setup

[21:04:16]

dan4dm:

hi folks – on mythtv trac, how does one register? i see "Login" link (top right) but not "Register"

[21:04:45]

jarle:

ChrisSim: Your signals are good? You can see that it is scanning transports, but not finding any channels?

[21:05:53]

wagnerrp:

jarle: its been down all day

[21:06:22]

jarle:

wagnerrp: it just go up!

[21:06:41]

jarle:

wagnerrp: as we're speaking...

[21:06:50]

ChrisSim:

signal strength is about 75%, Signal/Noise is on 0%

[21:06:52]

wagnerrp:

still down for me

[21:07:33]

ChrisSim:

but there is a signal on the sat wire

[21:07:34]

jarle:

wagnerrp: I had several times out connections, but just now it suddenly succeeded

[21:08:39]

tedeems (tedeems!n=tedeems@cpe-071-070-136-219.nc.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:09:09]

jarle:

ChrisSim: You should check to see if you can scan in other software, or using any of the dvb-utils

[21:09:38]

ChrisSim:

so its a mythtv bug ?

[21:10:14]

jarle:

ChrisSim: I'm just saying that you should configure that your hw is working before looking at the sw

[21:10:45]

ChrisSim:

hardware is working fine on Vista, so it shouldnt be a hw bug

[21:11:05]

iamlindoro:

he means that your hardware is working in linux

[21:11:32]

ChrisSim:

it should work out of the box, but i will check that now ;)

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro:

confirm it works elsewhere in linux. If it does, then you can look at myth configuration. If the configuration ends up being correct, *then* we look at myth.

[21:12:20]

maddslacker:

speaking of out of the box, this new ati tv womder usb I just boight is ticking me off

[21:13:05]

ChrisSim:

but i remember that i had that problem some weeks ago, while setting up mythtv with another card

[21:15:53]

tedeems (tedeems!n=tedeems@cpe-071-070-136-219.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:18:07]

PeaceKeeper:

Humm "Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (m)" has me stumped.

[21:18:18]

PeaceKeeper:

I dont know where it is getting m from :(

[21:18:35]

tedeems:

mythvideo isn't able to grab fanart, etc... for a tv series (futurama) thetvdb seems to be back up, any idea what's going on?

[21:19:36]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:19:53]

AnNahar:

help friends

[21:20:03]

AnNahar:

i cant fix my database so i can upgrade

[21:20:09]

AnNahar:

mysqldump output:

[21:20:09]

AnNahar:

mysqldump: Got error: 145: Table './mythconverg/credits' is marked as crashed and should be repaired when using LOCK TABLES

[21:20:12]

jarle:

ChrisSim: try installing Kaffeine and see if you can tune in it.

[21:23:36]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@68-189-95-197.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:27:32]

ChrisSim:

i did so, seems to be a hw problem ...

[21:28:08]

ChrisSim:

now i wish back my old ubuntu 9.04 system ... never change a running system :D

[21:28:22]

jya (jya!n=avenardj@60-242-40-141.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:28:44]

ChrisSim:

even my skystar 2 stopped working ...

[21:30:13]

jarle:

ChrisSim: so, what seems to be the problem?

[21:30:30]

PeaceKeeper:

setenv hostname fixed my issue

[21:32:02]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:32:26]

ChrisSim:

no signal :-/ i think i made a mistake during updating the cards firmware

[21:33:49]

justinh:

ChrisSim: you don't actually flash dvb tuners with firmware

[21:34:11]

justinh:

firmware is just microcode which the driver loads onto the card

[21:34:48]

jarle:

before I "make install", any known issues updating from mythtv 0.21 to 0.22?

[21:34:50]

davidm1 (davidm1!n=David@nat/ti/x-klrkaeiahhzefyzr) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:35:49]

ChrisSim:

i know, but before i installed the firmware there was a signal noise, now there is nothing ..

[21:36:06]

tedeems (tedeems!n=tedeems@cpe-071-070-136-219.nc.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:36:21]

jeffjeffdejeff (jeffjeffdejeff!n=richard@87-194-206-174.bethere.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:36:43]

Phluid (Phluid!n=T@host-103-44-2-96.midco.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:37:36]

dserban (dserban!n=dserban@S010600195b2f0f96.ok.shawcable.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:37:55]

ChrisSim:

ok thanks for your help, but for me its time to sleep ... see you soon ;)

[21:38:05]

jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all – i really need some help please. firstly some lager, then some advice on why i can't watch tv all of a sudden using myth 9.04. i have lots of recordings that have been deleted from my recordings folder, but still show in the frontend menu (i can't delete these for some reason). i also can't find an option for the log grabber – has it disappeared? please, any help greatfully appreciated

[21:38:25]

Gumby (Gumby!n=gumby@unaffiliated/gumby) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:38:51]

[21:39:16]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust513.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:39:16]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

[21:39:45]

justinh:

SD is fine fullscreen gbee

[21:43:21]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:43:25]

dustybin:

justinh: what theme do you use at home? are any of the fonts truncated?

[21:43:46]

justinh:

dustybin: you *honestly* think I'd tolerate THAT? ROFLMAO

[21:43:57]

dustybin:

i have for 2.5 years...

[21:44:04]

dustybin:

option DPI does nothing at all

[21:44:07]

justinh:

gbee: frickin weirds. It's fine now

[21:44:15]

maddslacker:

welp, I got my new tuner working in kaffeine, now for mythtv...

[21:44:26]

justinh:

dustybin: then you need to use a wide aspect mode

[21:44:27]

jeffjeffdejeff:

join #mythbuntu

[21:44:40]

justinh:

1024x576 or so

[21:44:49]

dustybin:

right ok

[21:45:08]

gbee:

DPI is irrelevant from 0.21 onwards

[21:45:50]

dustybin:

ohhh

[21:46:31]

dustybin:

ModeLine "1024x576pali" 19.7 1024 1058 1138 1263 576 581 585 625 -hsync -vsync interlace

[21:46:37]

** dustybin tests **

[21:49:47]

CrazyFoam (CrazyFoam!n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:50:02]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:51:00]

justinh:

hmmm. UK needs to hurry up & make much more HD content

[21:51:01]

grantm (grantm!n=grant@68.142.138.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:51:08]

justinh:

me want my aitch dee tee vee!

[21:51:16]

dustybin:

the modeline works: dimensions: 1024x576 pixels (260x146 millimeters)

[21:51:45]

dustybin:

however, it doesnt cover the screen, i got a 4:3 image pushed to the left side

[21:51:57]

justinh:

if the new box moves downstairs when this room becomes a nursery (eek!) I could just run cables into the livingroom. mheheheheheh

[21:52:46]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:54:02]

justinh:

and that was weird in mythfrontend log. go to play a HD test clip a few times – half the time it was saying it couldn't initialise the hardware

[21:54:22]

justinh:

but quit frontend & try again it was fine. weirdness

[21:55:07]

dustybin:

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:55:15]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has quit (Client Quit)

[21:55:21]

dustybin:

i just reset the screen wizard, now none of the fonts are truncated!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:55:44]

dustybin:

i cannot believe i was living like that for the last 2.5 years

[21:55:57]

dustybin:

thanks :D

[21:57:06]

gbee:

justinh: I still maintain that HD really only matters for things like scenery (mountains/valleys/trees/flowers) or wildlife docs – really doesn't enhance my enjoyment of normal drama or stuff which is mostly set indoors (natural light seems to play a big role)

[21:57:34]

gbee:

but special effects in something like Defying Gravity look 10 times better

[21:57:39]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:57:39]

olesalscheider (olesalscheider!n=desktop@xdsl-78-35-129-181.netcologne.de) has quit (Operation timed out)

[21:58:35]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:58:49]

AnNahar:

ugh! people are purple in my myth again

[21:58:51]

AnNahar:

how do i fix that?

[21:58:53]

ivor:

gbee: beg to differ. :)

[21:59:32]

gbee:

ivor: someone has to, but that doesn't mean I'm not right ;)

[21:59:40]

** mag0o read that as 'people are purple in my mouth again' **

[21:59:58]

AnNahar:

:)

[21:59:58]

gbee:

sports maybe, but I'm not a sports fan

[22:00:03]

AnNahar:

someone in here told me how to fix it before

[22:00:08]

devinheitmueller:

sounds like YUYV/UYVY colorspace is inverted. Which card is it? And I'm assuming this is analog?

[22:00:12]

AnNahar:

but it went back to it on the upgrade

[22:00:19]

AnNahar:

wintv pvr 150

[22:00:19]

laga_:

AnNahar: fix your MMX support

[22:00:20]

AnNahar:

or something like that

[22:00:23]

laga_:

or don't run on ARM

[22:00:28]

laga_:

or fix hue

[22:00:28]

AnNahar:

laga_: wrong on both

[22:00:34]

mag0o:

hehe, run on LEGs

[22:00:36]

AnNahar:

devinheitmueller: i fixed it before

[22:00:47]

AnNahar:

it got messed again on upgrade to .22

[22:00:48]

cdpuk (cdpuk!n=chris@cdpuk.cdp.me.uk) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:00:51]

gbee:

nvidia driver bug was doing that again recently with XV

[22:01:04]

devinheitmueller:

annoying.

[22:01:19]

laga_:

mag0o: yeah :P

[22:02:30]

gbee:

AnNahar: xvattr -a XV_HUE -v 0

[22:02:39]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:02:25.874 Couldn't upgrade video database schema, exiting.

[22:02:39]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:02:25.874 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'.

[22:03:58]

AnNahar:

gbee: it's some setting in mythtv that i fixed before

[22:04:19]

gbee:

AnNahar: try that first

[22:05:50]

gbee:

there are a dozen different causes, only one of which is mythtv config related and even that only affects the PVR-150, you can't assume that it's the config

[22:06:14]

AnNahar:

gbee: i mean i had the same symptom before and someone told me some hue or some thing in here

[22:06:16]

AnNahar:

and it fixed it

[22:06:41]

gbee:

just try the xvattr line, humour me

[22:06:49]

AnNahar:

gbee: im installing xvattr now

[22:06:50]

AnNahar:

:)

[22:07:36]

pizzledizzle (pizzledizzle!n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:08:14]

gbee:

if you've done a straight upgrade it shouldn't have wiped/overwritten the old setting so it would be unlikely that the mythtv config is the problem this time

[22:09:10]

AnNahar:

Found Xv 2.2

[22:09:10]

AnNahar:

XV_HUE set to 0

[22:10:05]

AnNahar:

gbee: would you know why it's not upgrading part of my db?

[22:10:08]

AnNahar:

x

[22:10:15]

gbee:

no

[22:12:35]

AnNahar:

Database error was:

[22:12:35]

AnNahar:

Table 'mythconverg.videocountry' doesn't exist

[22:12:35]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:12:26.059 Couldn't upgrade video database schema, exiting.

[22:12:35]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:12:26.059 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'.

[22:12:36]

AnNahar:

ugh

[22:12:49]

messerting (messerting!n=messerti@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[22:12:49]

AnNahar:

do i need to create that table?

[22:13:04]

dan4dm:

AnNahar: i saw that exact issue on the mailing list about a day ago

[22:13:25]

dan4dm:

apparently it's cos you (in the past) used mythvideo and myth... mythsomethingelse which are now merged

[22:13:37]

dan4dm:

anyway search the mailing list cos the answer was there v v recently

[22:13:54]

AnNahar:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462

[22:15:25]

Makere_:

has the pulseaudio support been fixed yet?

[22:15:29]

Makere_ is now known as Makere

[22:15:34]

Makere:

I cba to try it

[22:15:36]

Makere:

:S

[22:15:38]

AnNahar:

doh!

[22:15:41]

AnNahar:

it didn't fix it

[22:15:47]

AnNahar:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement

[22:15:47]

AnNahar:

Database error was:

[22:15:47]

AnNahar:

Duplicate column name 'tc_param'

[22:15:50]

dan4dm:

doh

[22:17:28]

stinger15 (stinger15!n=stinger@d91-128-36-12.cust.tele2.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:17:31]

AnNahar:

any ideas?

[22:20:23]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust513.leic.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Gone")

[22:20:38]

superdump (superdump!n=rob@unaffiliated/superdump) has quit ("WeeChat 0.3.1-dev")

[22:21:56]

AnNahar:

dan4dm: any ideas?

[22:22:24]

AnNahar:

should i delete one of those columns?

[22:23:05]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:22:12.744 Upgrading to MythVideo schema version 1002

[22:23:06]

AnNahar:

2009-11–17 16:22:12.789 DB Error (performActualUpdate):

[22:23:16]

AnNahar:

i never really use mythvideo

[22:23:23]

AnNahar:

can i just blank that table and it recreate or something?

[22:23:24]

AnNahar:

\\

[22:25:24]

jeffjeffdejeff:

anyone any idea why anytime i record something, it shows up twice in my recorded programs list?

[22:27:02]

ernstp (ernstp!n=ernst@c83-254-157-23.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:27:10]

AnNahar:

gbee i still have purple people in myth

[22:27:17]

ernstp:

how do I merge channels from xmltv and from dvb-scan?

[22:27:26]

ernstp:

they show up as different channels

[22:30:39]

AnNahar:

someone said you have to enable "use xv picture settings" in tv settings

[22:30:40]

AnNahar:

but i dont see that

[22:38:17]

devinheitmueller (devinheitmueller!n=devinhei@208.51.239.218) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:40:09]

stinger15:

[22:40:11]

dan4dm:

AnNahar: i don't know

[22:40:34]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=quassel@pool-98-114-177-10.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:42:47]

stinger15:

same happens if i try to enter file types in the media settings

[22:43:01]

erik_____ (erik_____!n=erik@c-c46b70d5.020-77-6b73642.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:48:31]

S2 (S2!n=quassel@host199-110-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:48:31]

dan4dm (dan4dm!n=dan@danstowell.demon.co.uk) has quit ("leaving")

[22:49:45]

justinh:

stinger15: look in the output of mythfrontend for clues

[22:51:28]

PeaceKeeper (PeaceKeeper!i=PeaceKee@12.148.112.253) has quit ("www.mattsshack.com - Dec 11 - 13 Rock Band for Wishes!")

[22:53:46]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:57:24]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@67.199.187.50) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[23:00:00]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@67.199.187.50) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:00:06]

jeffjeffdejeff (jeffjeffdejeff!n=richard@87-194-206-174.bethere.co.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[23:01:22]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0EAF02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[23:06:54]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has quit ()

[23:07:41]

maddslacker:

ok so I have my new ati tv wonder USB 600 working perfectly in kaffeine, so I know the driver and hardware are ok, but when I try it in Mythtv, I can scan channels in setup,, but when I try to watch in frontend I get a black screen with no sound, and then it will no longer work in any other app until I reboot **without allowing mythbackend to start

[23:09:44]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@93-125-156-206.dsl.alice.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:10:02]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B97F9D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:13:02]

yunosh (yunosh!n=jan@horde/jan) has left #mythtv-users ()

[23:15:58]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit ("Leaving.")

[23:20:38]

gizmobay (gizmobay!n=gizmobay@ip98-165-206-1.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:23:00]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@93-125-156-206.dsl.alice.nl) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[23:23:18]

MavT (MavT!n=Maverick@93-125-156-206.dsl.alice.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:24:30]

stinger15:

no one an idea?

[23:24:48]

gizmobay:

I missed the question

[23:25:03]

stinger15:

my mythvideo closes if i try to open it

[23:25:16]

stinger15:

[23:25:21]

wagnerrp:

have you recently update mythtv?

[23:25:26]

stinger15:

yes

[23:25:28]

stinger15:

0.22 trunk

[23:25:35]

wagnerrp:

have you recently updated mythvideo to match?

[23:25:49]

wagnerrp:

your logs will likely say something about a library mismatch

[23:25:50]

stinger15:

yes but how can i check if its ok?

[23:26:14]

wagnerrp:

update mythvideo/mythplugins to match the specific version, and as close to the same revision of mythtv as you can

[23:27:02]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B97F5B.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[23:27:07]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, did you see my USB tuner question?

[23:28:25]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@93-125-156-206.dsl.alice.nl) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:28:29]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0EAF02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:28:50]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:29:36]

gizmobay:

stinger15, run the FE from a terminal and see what error it gives you

[23:30:28]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[23:30:56]

stinger15:

yeah im in the middle of an -v all log

[23:31:06]

stinger15:

but thats to much info

[23:31:12]

stinger15:

i try with -v general

[23:31:23]

stinger15:

or is there a special -v mythvideo?

[23:33:04]

rn114 (rn114!n=rn114@cpc2-oxfd12-0-0-cust353.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:34:05]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=smileyfa@CPE0016b6062e69-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:34:08]

gizmobay:

I bet just running mythfrontend will tell you

[23:34:57]

justinh:

what I said too. wasting your time

[23:35:32]

stinger15:

after the line loading video-ui.xml

[23:35:40]

stinger15:

its saying nothing

[23:35:54]

wagnerrp:

maddslacker: no i did not

[23:35:59]

justinh:

what theme do you use?

[23:36:21]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/d48cafc6d

[23:36:30]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:36:33]

stinger15:

tried the terra and bloetube

[23:37:01]

dansushi (dansushi!n=dan@147.4.211.192) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:37:25]

wagnerrp:

no idea

[23:37:29]

justinh:

bloetube as you call it is frigged. you may aswell delete it

[23:37:38]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@24.153.239.108) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:37:42]

stinger15:

ok terra shoud be ok?

[23:37:49]

justinh:

should be

[23:37:55]

stinger15:

i try

[23:38:06]

wagnerrp:

terra is a new theme, blootube is an old one

[23:38:15]

wagnerrp:

opposite sides of the UI rewrite, and there is no backwards compatibility

[23:38:16]

justinh:

old/dead

[23:38:21]

rushfan (rushfan!n=rushfan@155.33.149.241) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:38:54]

justinh:

no video-ui.xml in it though so it should work

[23:39:25]

lcase (lcase!n=lcase@p5B0EAF02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit ()

[23:40:27]

maddslacker:

heh, I use the default blue one

[23:40:36]

maddslacker:

it works, and easy to navigate

[23:41:54]

justinh:

blue is also dead

[23:42:13]

justinh:

so you had a problem installing the themes

[23:42:34]

maddslacker:

justinh, it is? I mean the default one at install

[23:43:02]

justinh:

it was the *old* default and is now deprecated

[23:43:22]

justinh:

a very long time ago it was the default

[23:43:28]

justinh:

unless you mean the mythbuntu theme

[23:43:30]

maddslacker:

so when I clean install 0.22, I'm getting a default deprecated UI? wth?

[23:43:39]

justinh:

mythbuntu?

[23:43:47]

maddslacker:

no

[23:43:52]

maddslacker:

mythtv from source

[23:44:06]

justinh:

NO blue theme is the default

[23:44:08]

maddslacker:

oh, MythCenter...that's the one

[23:44:13]

maddslacker:

but it *is* blue...heh

[23:44:15]

justinh:

hasn't been a blue theme being default for a long time

[23:44:31]

** maddslacker looks again, it's definitely the color blue **

[23:44:44]

maddslacker:

not called that, I just meant "the one that is the color blue"

[23:44:45]

justinh:

mythcenter isn't the 0.22 default either

[23:44:49]

justinh:

and never was

[23:44:57]

stinger15:

not working on terra!

[23:44:59]

maddslacker:

well, I instralled and opened it and that came up

[23:45:10]

maddslacker:

ohh wait,

[23:45:12]

maddslacker:

you're right

[23:45:24]

maddslacker:

it was terra

[23:45:25]

justinh:

terra is 0.22's default theme

[23:45:28]

maddslacker:

which is butt ugly

[23:45:42]

justinh:

not as ugly as mythcenter

[23:45:47]

maddslacker:

but I immediately changed it to mythcenter

[23:45:48]

stinger15:

and not working...

[23:45:54]

maddslacker:

meh, mythcenter is plain and easy to navigate

[23:46:04]

maddslacker:

mythcenter works fine for on two pc's

[23:46:08]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:46:19]

justinh:

if you have problems with any theme from the ones provided from source, then you had a problem installing the themes

[23:46:29]

justinh:

because they all work just fine

[23:46:32]

stinger15:

some other ideas?

[23:46:32]

maddslacker:

agreed

[23:46:37]

maddslacker:

I've tried all the included ones

[23:46:44]

maddslacker:

and they all worked

[23:46:50]

justinh:

install the themes again

[23:46:55]

stinger15:

i did

[23:47:07]

AnNahar:

hi

[23:47:10]

justinh:

and if there's nothing in the frontend log..

[23:47:15]

justinh:

nobody can help

[23:47:16]

AnNahar:

i upgraded to .22 and people's faces are blue

[23:47:18]

maddslacker:

welp, I'm outta here...time for home and supper

[23:47:34]

maddslacker:

wagnerrp, iamlindoro thanks for the tmdb help

[23:47:38]

justinh:

AnNahar: your video drivers are broken. get unbroken video drivers

[23:47:46]

AnNahar:

justinh: what?

[23:47:51]

AnNahar:

justinh: it's only with mythtv

[23:47:52]

justinh:

video drivers as in VGA card

[23:47:56]

AnNahar:

and it's only after the upgrade to .22

[23:47:59]

justinh:

still the same answer

[23:48:01]

stinger15:

#/usr/local/src/mythtv/themes i did here make install somethin else todo?

[23:48:15]

AnNahar:

justinh: doubt it. i had this problem with a previous upgrade and a change in mythtv fixed it

[23:48:16]

maddslacker:

stinger15, ../configure && make

[23:48:19]

maddslacker:

sudo make install

[23:48:32]

justinh:

AnNahar: still the same answer

[23:48:39]

AnNahar:

justinh: it's the wrong answer

[23:48:43]

AnNahar:

it wasn't a video driver thing last time

[23:48:45]

justinh:

no it isn't

[23:48:48]

maddslacker (maddslacker!n=corey@63.150.163.134) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:48:48]

AnNahar:

i just don't remember which setting it was

[23:48:52]

justinh:

you need working Xv

[23:48:58]

AnNahar:

i have working Xv

[23:49:05]

justinh:

sure?

[23:49:10]

AnNahar:

yup

[23:49:19]

justinh:

don't believe you

[23:49:24]

AnNahar:

well, this is useful

[23:49:28]

justinh:

ATI card?

[23:49:33]

AnNahar:

anyone else remember the setting you adjust?

[23:49:37]

AnNahar:

justinh: no

[23:49:43]

justinh:

nvidia?

[23:49:53]

AnNahar:

yup

[23:50:00]

javatexan (javatexan!n=mia@24.153.239.108) has quit ("Leaving.")

[23:50:01]

justinh:

with binary nvidia driver?

[23:50:08]

AnNahar:

yup, the same one that worked prior to .22 with mythtv

[23:50:14]

justinh:

as in the closed source one..

[23:50:21]

justinh:

dunno then. should just work

[23:50:31]

AnNahar:

justinh: it's some setting they told me to adjust before that fixed it for me

[23:50:35]

AnNahar:

i cant remember which one it is

[23:51:01]

justinh:

xv picture controls perhaps

[23:51:07]

AnNahar:

i read that i should turn that on

[23:51:11]

AnNahar:

but i dont see where in settings it is

[23:51:23]

justinh:

not that mythtv stores changes to the hue setting AFAIK

[23:51:46]

justinh:

it's in utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback of course

[23:51:52]

AnNahar:

i looked there

[23:52:06]

AnNahar:

i dont see "xv" listed

[23:52:09]

AnNahar:

just enable picture controls

[23:52:12]

AnNahar:

whcih i assume is the same

[23:52:22]

stinger15:

unable to load windows 'gallery' from video-ui.xml

[23:52:45]

stinger15:

after reinstalling an using terra

[23:52:45]

justinh:

stinger15: theme installation problem

[23:52:45]

stinger15:

k

[23:52:58]

stinger15:

some advices what i can do?

[23:53:21]

AnNahar:

ok, so it may just be with live tv

[23:53:22]

AnNahar:

or mostly

[23:53:56]

justinh:

stinger15: reinstall the theme, make sure you got the latest -fixes source

[23:54:05]

stinger15:

maybe some qmake problems? i am on karmic

[23:54:35]

justinh:

AnNahar: "Enable picture controls"

[23:54:51]

justinh:

AnNahar: either that or your capture card settings are borked & you use a framegrabber

[23:55:19]

AnNahar:

yeah, i just adjust hue

[23:55:19]

AnNahar:

it was at 50%

[23:55:21]

AnNahar:

that seems to fix it

[23:55:22]

AnNahar:

lowering it

[23:55:41]

stinger15:

ok il try it tommorow thank you 4 your help

[23:55:43]

justinh:

so do you use analogue tuners?

[23:56:10]

AnNahar:

me?

[23:56:14]

justinh:

duh

[23:56:31]

AnNahar:

justinh: you could have been talking to stinger

[23:56:38]

justinh:

this is wasting time

[23:56:49]

AnNahar:

justinh: what are you talking about? i already fixed it

[23:57:16]

justinh:

you're welcome then

[23:57:35]

AnNahar:

what? you didn't help

[23:57:43]

AnNahar:

i found the hue setting hitting keys on the keyboard

[23:57:47]

AnNahar:

you kept telling me something was broken

[23:58:01]

ernstp (ernstp!n=ernst@c83-254-157-23.bredband.comhem.se) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[23:58:04]

justinh:

something is probably still broken

[23:58:40]

justinh:

you shouldn't have to mess about with the hue control for video to look normal

[23:58:40]

AnNahar:

justinh: apparently you weren't familiar with the issue when it came up in .21

[23:58:40]

stinger15 (stinger15!n=stinger@d91-128-36-12.cust.tele2.at) has quit ()

[23:58:41]

AnNahar:

where you had to increase it to 50%

[23:58:45]

justinh:

if you have an analogue tuner however, and its hue control is out of whack by default ...

[23:58:46]

AnNahar:

apparently they fixed it in .22

[23:59:06]

justinh:

AnNahar: looks fine on my 8400gs in 0.22

[23:59:09]

AnNahar:

so i moved it back to where it was before

[23:59:15]

justinh:

no dicking about with the hue control there

[23:59:22]

AnNahar:

justinh: are you following the conversation at all?

[23:59:28]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@68-189-95-197.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:59:30]

justinh:

yes

[23:59:30]

AnNahar:

several versions ago a lot of people had to increase the hue

[23:59:36]

AnNahar:

what i just did was put it back down to normal

[23:59:37]

AnNahar:

sheesh man

[23:59:40]

AnNahar (AnNahar!n=fadx@97.80.33.201) has left #mythtv-users ()

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (225):