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Sunday, November 15th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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Shadow__X:

when using the vdpau setting under playback settings is cpu ussage supposed to be hovering around 30–50 percent no correct?

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GreyFoxx:

It depends. If it for some reason falls back to software decoding it could be, or if it's a lower end box you could be seeing cpu decoding the audio

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Shadow__X:

GreyFoxx: ah ok so log digging would explain it correct? because its a core 2 duo 3ghz box i feel like thats beefy enough

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GreyFoxx:

logs are you friend

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GreyFoxx:

run mythfrontend with -v playback and see what you find

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Shadow__X:

but i do have to say great work guys mythtv feels a whole lot better

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Shadow__X:

so thank you everyone for your hard work

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mangus580:

so this scan converter sux :-(

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Josh__:

Weird. I've got the device driver for my MCE reciever loaded, it appears to detect and install fine, but there's not /dev/lircX device.

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Josh__:

How can I figure out what dev node is being assinged to my USB device?

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wagnerrp:

Josh__: its one of the options for lsusb

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Shadow__X:

GreyFoxx: so its using the ffmpeg 264 codec is that why its using so much cpu?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: they generally do

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: I didnt think it was gonna be THIS bad :-(

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wagnerrp:

people usually dont

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wagnerrp:

what resolution are you trying to run it at?

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre not downscaling the UI from 1024x768 to NTSC or something are you?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: well the monitor is 1280 x 1024 and the hd material is either 1080p or 720p

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Shadow__X:

and some 1080i

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: ^^^

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Shadow__X:

ah sorry wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: when using VDPAU, the CPU should be hovering around 30–50% on a late model pentium 2

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Shadow__X:

hmm so its obviously not using vdpau if its around 50–70 percent for some material and its a c2d3ghz

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mangus580:

have it set at 1024x768

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wagnerrp:

remember that the video output is only going to be 480 lines

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wagnerrp:

so try a more sensible resolution

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Josh__:

grr. I can't find anything.

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mangus580:

so like a 640x480?

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wagnerrp:

probably a better choice

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Josh__:

I'm thinking this device is being detected as a raw HID device, but I cant prove it.

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mangus580:

k

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mangus580:

this stupid thing has all sorts of adjustments on it

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mangus580:

that do NOTHING

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mangus580:

hmmm that might be better

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Josh__:

Huh? /dev/pts/0 appeared after I plugged in my USB reciever?

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Josh__:

I think that was just coincidence

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despo:

is there a text based backend-setup?

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wagnerrp:

'mysql'

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despo:

:) not for a noob then

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wagnerrp:

not for anyone, really

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despo:

ok...

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GreyFoxx:

there is no curses based install

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GreyFoxx:

and pretty much never will be

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, the backend can be set up in just a couple of minutes, and only needs to happen once

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wagnerrp:

and you can do it on a remote X server, or over VNC

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Josh__:

and can be done remotely.

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despo:

ok... Running back an forward to the basement right now... But i'll activate VNC then...

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despo:

Thanks!

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GreyFoxx:

just ssh in and do it remotely ;)

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groogs:

do sound settings changed in the frontend setup menu take place right away, or does the frontend need to be restarted?

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wagnerrp:

right away

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despo:

Grey: how do i ssh in to X?

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wagnerrp:

-X or -Y, your choice

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GreyFoxx:

you don't, ssh into the box, and run x11vnc, then vnc to the box

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wagnerrp:

or open your local X server for remote access

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wagnerrp:

and set the display to your local machine and server

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wagnerrp:

theres several ways to go about doing it

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despo:

ok... vnc sounds like it's for me...

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Josh__:

Hmm. newer version of lirc fixed my problem :)

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Josh__:

Um, someone told me once before, How do I keep mythfilldatabase from re-adding channels I've deleted?

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wagnerrp:

remove them from your listing provider

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GreyFoxx:

that's what I did

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GreyFoxx:

went to schedulesdirect.ors page and removed them from my setup there

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wagnerrp:

or use '--remove-new-channels'

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Shadow__X:

GreyFoxx: so i have looked in the logs and when i goto open one of the videos i see it uses the ffmpeg libavcodec and the specific codec is h.264 am i missing something

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: aside from the color... that made a HUGE difference

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Josh__:

hmm.

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Josh__:

Mythtv doesnt like my PVR-150 anymore?

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Josh__:

ffs

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merkur2k:

i have a mthtv install that i upgraded from .21 to .22 today, and selecting a different theme does not do anything (Terra is still used). any idea what to look for?

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gizmobay:

I'm using ALSA. Is there an advantage of installing pulse audio?

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justinh:

NO

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Dagmar:

Does your life lack for significant quantities of pain?

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Dagmar:

Most people just get some razor blades and start slicing

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justinh:

nothing but disadvantages as far as life as a mythtv user is concerned

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merkur2k:

have i managed to run into a problem that nobody else has experienced?

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: what theme are you selecting, specifically?

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merkur2k:

any others that i have installed, none of them have worked

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wagnerrp:

name one

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justinh:

gah what is it with this guidegrid widget? It just won't do my bidding

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mangus580:

always come in with a wise crack eh Dagmar?

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merkur2k:

Minimalist-wide. metallurgy. blootubelite-wide

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Dagmar:

mangus580: When someone's too lazy to do their own research, they get whimsical, not technical answers.

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wagnerrp:

none of them work, and mythtv intentionally reverts back to terra as the default

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justinh:

the 1st & last one will not work with 0.22

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JimKusz:

Hi all: how do I clear a "stuck" job from the job queue? I shut down my myth system during a commertial flagging. Now the job queue shows that its still running, but it doesn't know where.

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gizmobay:

that's kind of what I thought

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mangus580:

just poking fun Dagmar

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mangus580:

btw... did you get my msgs last night?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: is the updated metallurgy in -fixes?

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clever:

if you restart that backend it should resume the job

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justinh:

wagnerrp: AFAIK yes

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was just trunk since it was unfinished

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JimKusz:

My attempts to stop it through the watch recordings info screen (job options -> stop comm flag) has no effect. In the job queue in system status, attempts to stop/remove it there have no effect either.

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merkur2k:

I cannot stand Terra :(

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Dagmar:

mangus580: I *never* check privmsg buffers

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: so pick one of the other compatible themes

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wagnerrp:

theres about half a dozen available by now

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merkur2k:

is there a list of said themes somewhere?

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Dagmar:

I figure if something _matters_ people will use NoteServ.

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mangus580:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

or write a theme

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mangus580:

I got my remote working finally

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JimKusz:

This is a problem because 1) I cannot start really comm flagging the recording; and 2) myth won't shut down as it thinks its busy.

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wagnerrp:

theres a handful of themes that come with mythtv

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mangus580:

I found in the manual for the remote... how to unlock and change the cable box code

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wagnerrp:

terra and mythcenter are part of the main install

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mangus580:

which let me set it to the one listed in the conf file for that remote :-)

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wagnerrp:

graphite and mythbuntu (anything else?) are part of the themes package

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mangus580:

so now its working all but like 3 buttons that that lesser model remote didnt have

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merkur2k:

interesting, graphite did not get installed

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wagnerrp:

theres another one released to the mailing list a couple weeks ago

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merkur2k:

i wonder if it didnt upgrade the mythtv-themes package...

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wagnerrp:

and metallurgy is at least partially converted

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Dagmar:

"i wonder" means "I never bothered to look"

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wagnerrp:

dont know the status on that one off hand

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merkur2k:

well if there was any sort of useful error message at all then maybe i would have

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wagnerrp:

you did read the upgrade/release notes right?

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wagnerrp:

the ones that say the UI has been completely rewritten, and the old themes dont work

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merkur2k:

ive been too busy fixing postinst scripts for .22

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merkur2k:

since nobody seems to care what happens in older releases like ubuntu intrepid

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Josh__:

sigh.

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Josh__:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/local/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x09b9f009 ***

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Themes

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merkur2k:

i did see mention that .22 specific themes dont work on .21, but not the other way around

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JimKusz:

Is there a command like command I can use to edit/kill jobs, or a directory I can go to to delete jobs?

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wagnerrp:

JimKusz: as in mythjobqueue jobs?

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JimKusz:

wagerrp: yes.

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

the only way to terminate them is through the info center in the frontend

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JimKusz:

wagnerrp: so how do I kill/remove a job that has gotten "stuck"? The info center thinks the job is running, but it isn't. I tell it to stop through the info center, and nothing happens.

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wagnerrp:

kill the executable manually

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JimKusz:

Its perpetually stuck at 15%. I can't stop the job through the recording either (it gives me the option to, but nothing happens). Its "lost" what machine the job is running on too.

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JimKusz:

its a comm flag job, and the mythcommflag executable is NOT running...

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JimKusz:

(hence the problem)

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wagnerrp:

well the only thing left is to delete the entry from the database, or set it as errored/completed

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wagnerrp:

you need to know a bit of sql for that one

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wagnerrp:

although the jobqueue should go around and mark that as failed

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JimKusz:

Ok...I've done some sql stuff, but usually find myself needing phpmyadmin for most sql stuff.

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JimKusz:

How long should it take / do I need to restart to make it do that?

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wagnerrp:

it should happen as soon as the job terminated

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JimKusz:

What happened was I rebooted my system while it was commflagging the program. When it came back up, it still thought the program was being commflagged, even though it never restarted the flagging.

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JimKusz:

Its been in that state for over 30 minutes now.

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wagnerrp:

nothing else in the queue?

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JimKusz:

Nope.

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wagnerrp:

'delete from jobqueue;'

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merkur2k:

the themes wiki page has broken links and makes no mention that some of the "official" themes listed wont even work with .22

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wagnerrp:

just wipe it clean

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: all the themes listed there work

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merkur2k:

i lick on the link for metallurgy and it states it is for .21

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wagnerrp:

you may just have old copies of mythcenter and metallurgy

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merkur2k:

click even

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wagnerrp:

because that page has not been updated recently

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Dagmar:

We don't want to hear about your depraved web surfing techniques

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JimKusz:

wagnerrp: thanks; that fixed the problem!

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merkur2k:

click on the one for mythbuntu and it gives a 404

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iamlindoro:

.22 lmetallurgy lives in svn, not a site

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe that author is even doing the rewrite for that theme

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iamlindoro:

er metallurgy

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iamlindoro:

as does mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

and metallurgy is only partially ported

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro great work on graphite

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, thanks, though the followup is much nicer ;)

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merkur2k:

are there any .22 compatible themes that dont display recorded tv in that retarded horizontal format?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, the one you're about to write

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iamlindoro:

let us know when it's done

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Josh__:

*chop chop*

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merkur2k:

wow, you guys are awesome

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wagnerrp:

looks like the mythbuntu theme is vertical

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wagnerrp:

as is mythcenter

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iamlindoro:

sorry, but opinions that something is "retarded" without any work to back them up are... RETARDED

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wagnerrp:

and blue-abstract

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** Josh__ hands iamlindoro a bag of marbles **

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iamlindoro:

seriously, some people were tragically underbeaten as children. If you don't like something, you don't like it. It doesn't make it retarded, and it doesn't make it okay to go on the internet and say it's retarded

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merkur2k:

i think its just as retarded to wipe out a whole bunch of great themes just because someone couldnt bother to work out backwards compatibility, but whatever

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iamlindoro:

I think it's retarded to pass judgment on something you knwo nothing about

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: its not that someone couldnt bother to do backwards compatibility

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wagnerrp:

in fact that old themes still worked well through the 0.22 dev cycle

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wagnerrp:

it was purposefully removed to make a clean break from the old themes

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Josh__:

merkur2k, Sometimes things need to be axed for progress. In a year from now you'll be back bitching about how noone ported the 0.22 themes to 0.23.

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iamlindoro:

Backward compat is impossible. That's like saying it's retarded that XBMC themes don't work on myth-- it's 100% new UI code

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iamlindoro:

so write some theme, go use another piece of software, or hang in there and let the people actually doing to work to do it for you like always

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wagnerrp:

the old UI was very restrictive, resulting in the old themes consisting of largely the same visual elements

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: so i decided to use storage groups for the metadata after i already downloaded some could you please tell me how to reset all of it to download in the storage group now

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the backgrounds and icons were different, colors were adjustable, but there was a lot similar between all of them

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Shadow__X:

its setup in the backend and frontend now and new images are downloaded there

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clever:

iamlindoro: its not imposible, we could have kept the old ui code and doubled the bloat :P

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Shadow__X:

should i simply copy them over?

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justinh:

backwards compatibility is what held back mythtv ui development for years

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wagnerrp:

a clean break forces people to be creative, do new things

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, highlight the item in question, INFO->Metadata Options->Reset Metadata

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wagnerrp:

and the horizontal layout is just the first big thing that was never capable with the old UI

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merkur2k:

but they were very functional and intuitive. i guess "pretty" trumps "functional" tho. something that xbmc seems to propagate

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, or change the local storage dir, then rescan

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justinh:

anybody who themed for the old ui code knows what a PITA the old code was and MAN am I ever glad it's almost all gone. hard-coded junk all over the place

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iamlindoro:

merkur2k, It has nothing to do with pretty versus intuitive-- new themes can be just as intuitive-- we just don't have *8 bloody years* worth of themes written yet

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justinh:

and yes it's maybe fair to say the new themes have gone a bit crazy with new ideas

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justinh:

but if you don't like em, this is open source!

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iamlindoro:

There are going to be wild themes, conservative themes, and everything in between-- but if you're not writing anything to improve the selection, you get to sit and enjoy whatever we feed you, thanks

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wagnerrp:

terra and graphite were as much a learning experience, trying to figure out what should be done with the new UI as anything else

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JimKusz:

Quick question: I've been using xine as my dvd playback program for a long time (been using myth ~6 years). Is that still recommended, or is the internal player now similarly good?

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Josh__:

It's the same old scratched record. Complain about something you havent helped contribute, drop the name of X similar package, then get mad and leave.

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justinh:

if you want a theme to look like the sh1tty old ones you can make it so

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merkur2k:

i actually do have fixes i would give back, but avenard seems to have no repository and no bug tracker of any sort

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merkur2k:

not theme related, but still

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: if you have fixes, put them in trac

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Josh__:

JimKusz, internal player is awesome.

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justinh:

just trying to find excuses. they always do :-\

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JimKusz:

Josh__ what do I put in the player box, or do I just leave it empty to use internal?

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Josh__:

Use "Internal", case sensitive.

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merkur2k:

they are related to ubuntu packages, i am not even sure if thats avenard specific or you guys

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JimKusz:

Josh__: Thanks!

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wagnerrp:

avenard needs no repository or bug tracker because he is a dev

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justinh:

so they're not even code fixes then?

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wagnerrp:

his builds are just up-to-date binaries for mythbuntu users

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merkur2k:

right, not code fixes. must be useless then

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wagnerrp:

if theyre not code fixes, what are they?

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merkur2k:

there are problems with the postinst script in the mythtv-database and mythplugins avenard packages

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wagnerrp:

theres C/Qt code, theres theme code, theres shell code, theres add on script code, theres init script code

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wagnerrp:

but its all code

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wagnerrp:

then you should probably post them to ubuntu's bug tracker, for the mythbuntu guys to see

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merkur2k:

ive already put workarounds in our code but i will try to do that

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merkur2k:

i am also having problems with vdpau. by all accounts my hardware should support it just fine (nvidia 8200 IGP) but if i enable it i get all sorts of stuttering and low framerate no matter what settings are chosen

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merkur2k:

if anyone has any ideas what to look for there

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Josh__:

merkur2k, I've been told to set the playback profile to 'slim', but I make no promises that that's even correct

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jya:

Anyone has the skiploop h264 patches updated for 0.22-fixes ?

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jya:

was given a copy last week, but can't find it anymore

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sphery:

is there an updated one on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653 ?

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jya:

nah, not the one... it had to be updated for the new VDPAU display profile ... came into it because he reported that somehow the vdpau profiles changeset broke its built. but really it was his patch

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justinh:

jeees. vdpau not too good with dvb-t mpeg2 where software is fine

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jya:

justinh, what do you mean not too good ?

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jya:

works very well here ...

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justinh:

I mean bad blocking

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justinh:

corruption...

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Josh__:

has anyone tried debugging 0.22-fixes? Every time I load mythbackend inside gdb I get the error "Error opening jump program file", but if it's ran on it's own it works fine?

[02:21:29]

justinh:

eew actually I take that back. squeaks & all kinds of crap in this recording

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justinh:

yeah this tuner has higher BER figures than my production ones, heh

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justinh:

and mega cheap coax cable .. plus it was hastily made

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wagnerrp:

merkur2k: your graphics chip is very slow

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wagnerrp:

video DECODING gets done on dedicated hardware, but DEINTERLACING gets done with the graphics shaders

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wagnerrp:

your graphics chip is going to have very poor deinterlace capability

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wagnerrp:

there should be three VDPAU modes, you need to choose the lowed

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wagnerrp:

lowest

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wagnerrp:

its intended for that low end chip that cannot manage much in the way of deinterlacing

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justinh:

good grief wth point is there in mythbuntu theme supporting fanart if it's just gonna cover it in translucent black boxes?

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Josh__:

Apparently my problem is related to the perl lirc channel changing script

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justinh:

well, time for bed. another 3 hours theme work clocked up today.

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: if I dont have a PCI slot... aside from a junk scan converter... got any ideas for TV?

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mangus580:

composite or s-video

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wagnerrp:

a new tv, or a new motherboard

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mangus580:

kinda what I figured

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mangus580:

any pci video card with S-video.... should have better quailty then?

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wagnerrp:

if youre playing standard def content

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mangus580:

yup

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wagnerrp:

IMO, the 8-series nvidia have very good svideo outputs

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mangus580:

I might just ride it out... and get a HD tv :-)

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wagnerrp:

but a PCI video card will not manage HD video

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mangus580:

understood

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wagnerrp:

720p is closing in on the limits of the bus

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mangus580:

this board has HDMI on it sadly

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wagnerrp:

and 1080i/p exceeds it

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mangus580:

wonder if newegg will take my MB back and trade it for this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500036

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mersault:

is thetvdb back up yet?

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wagnerrp:

have you tried the page?

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mersault:

just timed out finally. anyone know what happened?

[03:15:08]

wagnerrp:

havent heard

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mangus580:

yeah, newegg will take the board back

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mangus580:

think thats what needs to happen

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: what do you think of this card?

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mangus580:

odd

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mangus580:

cant paste

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iamlindoro:

mersault, This isn't a new thing, this is how it is on the weekend

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iamlindoro:

weekends

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iamlindoro:

free, popular service, operators paying out of pocket to keep it up

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iamlindoro:

unless one of those three things changes, I wouldn't expect anything to change

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wagnerrp:

well usually it gets slow, not be down for extended periods

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Not so, it's quite often down like this

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mangus580:

http://www.tinyurl.com/mangusvid

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mangus580:

that card

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wagnerrp:

for nearly two days?

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iamlindoro:

only made worse by the deluge of tens of thousands of myth users, many of which are running *daily* "updates"

[03:23:16]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yep

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iamlindoro:

always starting on a friday evening and most often ending on Sunday afternoon or monday morning

[03:23:39]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that jam u cronjob is likely very bad for them

[03:24:18]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: fanless is better, 512MB is better... but that card should work just fine

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mangus580:

having a hard time finding a PCI-x16 thats fanless low profile

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127454

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mangus580:

thnks

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wagnerrp:

ive not heard much about the 210

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mangus580:

that one doesnt have s-vid

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wagnerrp:

but it has more capable decoders and scalers, and is certainly more powerful than the 8400

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wagnerrp:

oh! didnt even notice

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mangus580:

has hdmi

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mangus580:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, nothing low profile and fanless on newegg

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[R]:

what tyep of card?

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wagnerrp:

nvidia, fanless, low profile, svideo

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[R]:

the sparkle 8400

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[R]:

it comes with a bracket

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[R]:

althoug thats pci

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wagnerrp:

not on newegg

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[R]:

i got mine on newegg

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wagnerrp:

not even the old PCI version

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wagnerrp:

not any longer

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[R]:

unless tehy aren't stelling it anymore

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[R]:

wtf

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[R]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187057

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[R]:

that says low profile ready

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[R]:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187042

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[R]:

thats the one i have

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt look through the other tv-out options

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mangus580:

thats perfect

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[R]:

although to be honest... i dont know if its mmy shitty via chipset or what

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[R]:

i've heard lots of people on the ml love that sparkle 8400

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mangus580:

little pricey by my 'current standards' but its gotta be better than the scan converter I have now

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[R]:

but it works like crap for me

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wagnerrp:

id grab this one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121344

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mangus580:

even better

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wagnerrp:

lesser powered than the 9400, but neither are going to manage all the deint filters

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mangus580:

again... better than what I got LOL

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[R]:

i thought the advanced 1x or wahtever it is the 8400 can do was fine

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wagnerrp:

[R]: i mean theres no advantage of getting the more expensive 9400, than the 8400

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[R]:

i'd still be interested in trying tog et my tv to deint

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[R]:

but i gave up on it

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mangus580:

either of you guys mess with firewire on the STB?

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[R]:

i tried like 3 times

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[R]:

gave up

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[R]:

with my hdpvr

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[R]:

i don't care anymore, although doing channel changing over firewire would be cool

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mangus580:

what cable company?

[03:45:53]

[R]:

but the blaster works just fine for me

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[R]:

cox

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mangus580:

what couldnt you get it to do? anything?

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[R]:

it woudln't see it on the bus at all

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mangus580:

ahh

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[R]:

i called them up to complain and she was like

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[R]:

"firewall? i'll transfer you to the internet department"

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mangus580:

LOL

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[R]:

i was bustin

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mangus580:

how do you like the HD-PVR?

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[R]:

she had to talk to her supervisor for like 10 minutes but eventually came back and said its enabled

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[R]:

but they dont support it... so theres not much i can do complaining wise

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[R]:

i loove it

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[R]:

but i had issues with vdpau... so my box is down now

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mangus580:

got just the one?

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[R]:

trying to decide what to do

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[R]:

yeah... i only have 1 cable box

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[R]:

but i have a QAM tuner

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[R]:

so i can watch/record locals at the same time as the hdpvr

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[R]:

which is all i need really

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mangus580:

friend of mine wants to set up... but wants 2 cable box streams (to match his current dvr)

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mangus580:

so he is going to need two HD-PVR's

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mangus580:

$$$$$$

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jpabq:

ECS NSGT220C-1GQS-H might be an interesting choice, when you can actually buy one. There is also a 512MB version.

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[R]:

well i totally scored

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[R]:

i got mine for $175

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mangus580:

nice

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the 220 is getting to be the recommended card for VDPAU

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jpabq:

I paid full price for my first HD-PVR, but the second one was free :) I won it in a contest.

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mangus580:

nice

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jpabq:

Actually, you might be able to win one in a contest. It is one of the prizes in the mythtv theming contest....

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mangus580:

alas... creativity isnt my strong point ;-)

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jpabq:

mangus580, as far as I know, NO ONE has entered the contest yet. You might be able to win with out any creativity ;-)

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mangus580:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

well there are still almost 4 months left

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

what if only 1 person does it... but the theme sucks?

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wagnerrp:

then they win first prize

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

and second and third go unclaimed

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mangus580:

I wish I had pushed my buddy before on the motherboard issue

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mangus580:

I wouldnt be using this silly scan converter now

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[R]:

mythtv is an expensive hobby

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mangus580:

but he was paying!

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dustybin:

the 3rd prize goes to dustybin who contributed nothing

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mangus580:

so I had to go with him

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[R]:

i think i'm just gonna chalk my sparkle video card up to lost money and just go for the zotac

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mangus580:

we sacrificed the pci slot in trade for an external power supply

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mangus580:

[R]: send it to me!

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mangus580:

will I care about VDPAU? LOL

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[R]:

if i'm gonna get rid of it

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[R]:

i have to try to recoup some of the cost

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mangus580:

understood :-)

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mangus580:

what is VDPAU?

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[R]:

decoding for hd and such

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mangus580:

not needed here :-)

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[R]:

i think its just my crappy via chipset sucks

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[R]:

cuz i've heard lots of complaints about them

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wagnerrp:

video decode and presentation api for unix

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jpabq:

mangus580, it is the API that allows myth to offload video decoding to the graphics card. Decoding H.264, MPEG2 and such.

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mangus580:

not really important for SD?

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[R]:

well if your cpu can handle the decoding

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[R]:

then no

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jpabq:

correct

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[R]:

if your cpu can't decode the mpeg2... then its still good

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mangus580:

Atom 330

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jpabq:

Buy why would anyone still be stuck with SD?

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mangus580:

cant afford (wife wont let me either) an HD tv

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[R]:

i dont know what a 330 can do

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jpabq:

mangus580, Atom 330 with the ION chipset? If so, it has VDPAU.

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mangus580:

yup

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mangus580:

its a zotac board

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jpabq:

Atom 330 with ION can do HD just fine.

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wagnerrp:

but it has no svideo

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[R]:

i want the zotac

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[R]:

but i can't decide between the single core or dual core

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mangus580:

you got it wagnerrp!!

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mangus580:

go dual

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mangus580:

duals rule LOL

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[R]:

hows the single core iwht myth? i've heard its a littl sluggish

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jpabq:

Always nice to have an extra core for "other" processes to run on. However, I am pretty sure people have said that a single core atom with VDPAU works fine.

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mangus580:

I have this board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500027

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[R]:

i'm not sure what "other" processes i'd be running

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[R]:

if i got the zotac i'd make my current board my backend

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mangus580:

hoping to swap it for this board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500036

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jpabq:

Heh, have you looked at top? Linux, by it's very nature, runs many processes at the same time.

[04:03:15]

[R]:

well yeah

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[R]:

but if you have a dedicated frontend

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[R]:

not much is actively running

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mangus580:

yeah, this is just my frontend

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mangus580:

my backend is on an asus xp1800 setup LOL

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jpabq:

We have a few of these at work: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 08-_-Product

[04:04:07]

jpabq:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 07-_-Product

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jpabq:

Very well designed little boxes.

[04:04:32]

jpabq:

very quiet.

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JimKusz:

magus580: I'm currently running a zotac Ion board with HD content :)

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mangus580:

I have a different friend using a Zotac 220 Ion for HD

[04:05:24]

JimKusz:

(without vdpau, I could not watch channels that didn't have any subcarriers (too high quality); with vdpau, no problems.

[04:05:43]

JimKusz:

Although I still haven't been able to do hulu on it (too underpowered)

[04:05:59]

JimKusz:

I don't know the model of the zotac board, but its got the single core 1.6Ghz atom on it.

[04:06:08]

jpabq:

Hulu uses flash, right? VDPAU won't help with flash.

[04:06:10]

mangus580:

Yeah, thats the Atom 220

[04:06:36]

[R]:

mangus580: the 220 with myth? how does he like it?

[04:06:36]

JimKusz:

Yep, hulu uses flash...I was commenting that there's not enough cpu power in the Atom cpu to run hulu/flash.

[04:06:40]

wagnerrp:

jpabq: not yet... but the next flash player is supposed to use it

[04:06:44]

Josh__:

So the change-channel-lrc.pl script is causing my PVR-150 not to work.. The script itself actually works though. Is there a script that breaks off as a thread so it doesn't stall the video building process?

[04:06:55]

mangus580:

[R]: he says its 'ok' works better with 0.22 he says

[04:07:06]

[R]:

i dont know if i'm gonna hate myself if i get the single core

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mangus580:

not sure its worth the $ savings though

[04:07:12]

[R]:

its only like $20 extra or something

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, given macromedia/Adobe's track record with unix, I would not expect that any time soon. There is always hope, I guess.

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jpabq:

wagnerrp, or, is it nVidia that is adding the support for flash?

[04:10:21]

wagnerrp:

nvidia cant touch flash, its all up to adobe

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Sedorox:

ok.. the corrupt database thing is confusing me... everywhere on the page is saying it shoudl be latin1.. not utf8... then one little paragraph says it it's a .22 DB.. it SHOULD be utf8... what should it be for a brand new (merging in old DB) .22 setup, which according to the status, is already utf8

[04:13:09]

jpabq:

sphery is the authority, but I am pretty sure that when upgrading *to* 0.22, it is expecting the DB to be latin1, and it will convert it to utf8 as part of the upgrade process. It gets very confused if it is already utf8.

[04:13:32]

sphery:

exactly

[04:14:18]

Sedorox:

ok, it seemed reading it that it was suppose to be utf8 after 0.22 and latin1 before it..

[04:14:19]

sphery:

if it's a 0.21-fixes "old DB", it should be latin1, if it's 0.22-fixes "old DB" it should be utf8

[04:14:41]

sphery:

basically, Myth takes care of changing it for you

[04:15:47]

Sedorox:

hmm... ok.. I'm running mythtv-setup... tries to upgrade the schema, then fails telling me to goto the fixing corrupt database encoding wiki page... and on the status line.. everything is utf8.. so I'm guessing I need to convert the db to latin1?

[04:16:16]

sphery:

can you post the log output of mythtv-setup

[04:16:25]

sphery:

http://pastebin.ca/

[04:16:28]

Sedorox:

sure

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wagnerrp:

is the acer revo actually fanless?

[04:17:53]

mangus580:

I almost got a Revo

[04:18:08]

wagnerrp:

i mean its got a nice vent up top

[04:18:22]

Sedorox:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1671804

[04:18:22]

wagnerrp:

does it just use natural convection currents?

[04:18:29]

mangus580:

we passed on the revo because its only a single core

[04:18:35]

wagnerrp:

so the thing burns out if you lay it on its side

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sphery:

Sedorox: that's not a corrupt DB encoding issue. That's likely a missing table.

[04:19:02]

Sedorox:

ah.. hmm

[04:19:25]

Sedorox:

wonder if the dump/restore didn't fully complete

[04:19:35]

sphery:

Sedorox: if you want to filebin.ca your DB backup (PM me with location if you don't want to paste it here), I can look at it

[04:20:17]

sphery:

how did you do the dump?

[04:20:33]

sphery:

using mysqldump or using a backup script, and if the backup script, which one?

[04:20:42]

mangus580:

wagnerrp: not really sure

[04:20:57]

mangus580:

I put together this dual core setup for like $300

[04:21:06]

mangus580:

it has a cpu fan, but not really sure it needs it

[04:21:15]

Sedorox:

mysqldump... as I brought my entire mysql setup over (setup a testing server for moving to 0.22)

[04:21:35]

sphery:

but it went to a sql backup, not binary file restore?

[04:21:53]

sphery:

i.e. you didn't just copy /var/lib/mysql/ over or whatever

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Sedorox:

ended up in a .sql file

[04:22:00]

Sedorox:

no

[04:22:06]

sphery:

ok

[04:22:07]

Sedorox:

I know thats not good to do :p

[04:22:16]

mangus580:

interesting... the scan converter is better on some shows than other

[04:22:22]

sphery:

yeah, would have made missing tables less surprising

[04:22:42]

Sedorox:

--opt -A > file ... then did mysql -u root -p < file

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Sedorox:

after file transfer

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Sedorox:

if you really want to see the other crap in the DB (44megs total, seems a little small...), I can send it along

[04:27:28]

sphery:

is it gzip'ed?

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Sedorox:

no.. I can tho

[04:28:00]

sphery:

if you gzip it it will only be about 15MB

[04:28:14]

sphery:

and I can take a look and see what's missing/how to fix it

[04:28:51]

sphery:

if I don't look, the best I can say is to use the "partial corruption fix" at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . 2_corruption

[04:28:59]

sphery:

(which links to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406111#406111 )

[04:30:19]

Sedorox:

hmm ok

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sphery:

Sedorox: which Qt version are you running? 4.4.x or 4.5.x?

[04:48:28]

Sedorox:

4.5.3

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sphery:

ah, so I think I stand corrected...

[04:51:17]

sphery:

give me a minute and I'll finish the tests

[04:51:19]

sphery:

what distro?

[04:51:24]

Sedorox:

gentoo

[04:51:25]

Sedorox:

ok

[04:51:51]

Sedorox:

it is possible I'm missing a package... so far I've found a few that aren't pulled in that are needed...

[04:51:57]

Sedorox:

i.e. corefonts

[04:52:26]

alex87:

hey guys, i have just setup mythtv but it says that it is using all active inputs, but there are no recordings. tv is working with me-tv. any ideas?

[04:52:50]

wagnerrp:

me-tv?

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alex87:

wagnerrp, another video viewing app, so my tuner appears to be setup properly

[04:54:20]

wagnerrp:

is it open currently?

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alex87:

wagnerrp, no, i exit out of it before trying mythtv

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wagnerrp:

have you checked the logs?

[04:55:14]

wagnerrp:

backend, specifically

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alex87:

wagnerrp, i'll have a look

[04:57:11]

sphery:

Sedorox: yeah, you definitely have charset corruption in there.

[04:57:27]

sphery:

Sedorox: unfortunately, Qt 4.5.x breaks the test for "simple corruption"

[04:57:32]

sphery:

let me do a manual test

[04:57:50]

Sedorox:

lol, the joy of being on the latest packages...

[04:57:59]

Sedorox:

ok, or let me know what I can do on my end

[04:58:09]

Sedorox:

it isn't the live system, so it isn't hurting much

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sphery:

Sedorox: on the bright side, you've always used Gentoo for your mysql server

[04:59:51]

sphery:

Sedorox: the "simple" fix works

[05:00:02]

sphery:

Just upgraded your full DB

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sphery:

You just need to set up your MySQL server properly for 0.21-fixes http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . onfiguration

[05:01:14]

sphery:

then do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . _backup_file --but after you cut out all of the non-MythTV backups

[05:01:21]

Sedorox:

hehe yes, I've used Gentoo since '01 or '02.. altho this DB hasn't been around that long :p

[05:01:30]

Sedorox:

kk

[05:01:36]

Sedorox:

thats good to hear :)

[05:01:36]

sphery:

then drop the DB and restore the "fixed" backup

[05:01:46]

sphery:

it will magically convert everything to the format that it was supposed to be in.

[05:02:07]

sphery:

yeah, total corruption is easy... partial corruption is the "start over with just the recordings"

[05:02:32]

sphery:

basically follow the instructions on the corrupt DB page in the wiki and it will fix it.

[05:02:36]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding

[05:02:55]

Sedorox:

kk, do I need to modify the backup? from what your saying it doesn't sound like I need to...

[05:08:18]

Sedorox:

lets see what the results are

[05:11:45]

JimKusz:

Hi all: I upgraded to .22 today. I also use HDHomeRun as my tuner. In mythsetup, I edited the tuner settings and enabled multirecord to 2

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Sedorox:

sweet, thank you sphery it is now upgrading

[05:12:27]

JimKusz:

Now, I've got 6 tuners defined: 8,9 are my origional tuners (don';t know why it started with 8); but now each tuner appears to be duplicated twice.

[05:12:43]

JimKusz:

Is this "normal" or "correct"?

[05:14:16]

Sedorox:

sphery: thanks again for the help!

[05:15:44]

sphery:

Sedorox: cool... glad you got it working. enjoy--and remember you can change your server configuration back, once you run mythfrontend (to upgrade the schemas for all the plugins).

[05:15:55]

sphery:

i.e. go back to UTF8 for mysql server

[05:20:57]

alex87:

i changed my theme to media centre and now i can't access a lot of menus, can i reset the settings?

[05:21:57]

iamlindoro:

alex87, All the menu items are still there, they're just in different locations-- that's what a menu theme *is*

[05:22:11]

iamlindoro:

Advanced->Utilities/Setup->Appearance

[05:22:28]

alex87:

iamlindoro, i cannot access the last page to change the appearance back

[05:22:48]

iamlindoro:

??

[05:22:58]

iamlindoro:

No idea what you are saying

[05:23:51]

alex87:

iamlindoro, it's not letting me access the setings. in the log i'm getting lots of "Error: failed to stat /dev/bdi" errors

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iamlindoro:

Those errors have nothing to do with menus

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iamlindoro:

And I have no idea what "it's not letting me access" means

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alex87:

iamlindoro, well it just freezes. the only reason i think it might be related to the theme is that it started happening right after i changed

[05:25:32]

iamlindoro:

Nothing to do with menu theme

[05:25:48]

sphery:

is #7572 just a guy who doesn't know what multirec is about

[05:25:50]

iamlindoro:

And likely everything to do with you enabling media monitoring, if you're getting spammed with failed to stat errors

[05:25:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yes, closed it

[05:26:01]

sphery:

(or who didn't realize that 0.22 now supports multirec on HDHR?)

[05:26:11]

iamlindoro:

yes

[05:26:18]

sphery:

any Debian users here?

[05:26:26]

sphery:

Is there a separate package for Qt OpenGL?

[05:26:39]

sphery:

Perhaps #7573 is just missing dependencies.

[05:27:01]

sphery:

someone in here had the same issue a few days agod

[05:27:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: you're so on top of things

[05:27:38]

sphery:

and I thought I was quick at getting to that one

[05:27:46]

iamlindoro:

like a ninja

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Wicked:

im on ubuntu if you want me to check

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sphery:

if they have a separate one, the debian might, too

[05:28:17]

alex87:

iamlindoro, oh, i didn't think i enabled it. is there a way to disable it without using the gui?

[05:28:23]

sphery:

It was Joshhhhhh with the error in here

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Wicked:

i see "an OpenGL 3D viewer library based on Qt4"

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sphery:

what's the package name?

[05:28:49]

Wicked:

libqt4-opengl-dev

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sphery:

thx

[05:29:00]

Wicked:

aptitude search qt|grep -i gl

[05:29:19]

Wicked:

np

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alex87:

exit

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brad3:

wow, unetbootin is pretty cool

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daimoh:

after a bit of a disaster, i had to re-install myth, and went 0.22 while i was at it. Problem is, now mythweb won't work

[05:46:45]

daimoh:

Unable to connect to the master backend at 192.168.2.100:6543.

[05:46:45]

daimoh:

Is it running?

[05:46:51]

daimoh:

anyone got any ideas?

[05:47:36]

daimoh:

i'm running on a "fresh" (ish) ubuntu 9.10

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groogs:

daimoh: is mythtv-backend running? is it listening on port 6543? is that the right ip?

[05:54:26]

daimoh:

groogs – yep, it's running...

[05:54:32]

daimoh:

uhm... checking port now

[05:54:36]

groogs:

do you have a firewall on/blocking that port/ip?

[05:55:05]

daimoh:

jee.. connection refused to that port

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Wicked:

apache logs?

[05:55:14]

daimoh:

you might be onto something here ;)

[05:55:22]

groogs:

daimoh: try telnet localhost 6543

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daimoh:

groogs: yeah, connection refused

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groogs:

or netstat -n -l | grep 6543 (which will tell you what's listening where)

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groogs:

eg, i have : tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

[05:56:17]

Wicked:

lsof -i :port# ports too

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Wicked:

*works too

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daimoh:

nothing is listening there

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daimoh:

$ sudo service mythtv-backend start

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daimoh:

start: Job is already running: mythtv-backend

[05:57:43]

daimoh:

that's how i figure mythtv-backend is already running, but... well, maybe it's not.. seeing as nothing is listening on 6543?

[05:57:59]

groogs:

IIRC, there is a setting in backend setup that tells it if it should listen for mythweb ?

[05:58:07]

daimoh:

oh is there? hmm

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Wicked:

might want to check out the wiki page for mythweb

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Wicked:

i dont use it myself so i cant really help

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groogs:

so i dunno if this is the right place to ask or not, but i'm having a problem with lirc.. pvr 150, kernel 2.6.31-14-generic (ubuntu 9.10 + mythbuntu). was working yesterday – in syslog, i can see lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61 lirc_i2c: chip 0x10020 found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge PVR150) .. today i only get the lirc_dev line, and there is no /dev/lirc0

[06:02:29]

groogs:

i've tried rmmod/modprobe lirc_dev and lirc_i2c .. and still lirc_i2c gives me no output to dmesg or syslog

[06:03:51]

wagnerrp:

groogs: mythweb connects to the backend socket and database just like any other frontend

[06:04:24]

wagnerrp:

there is no setting that would specifically tell the backend to allow mythweb, any more than it would allow the perl/python bindings or a third party frontend

[06:05:05]

groogs:

ok.. daimoh might want to check what port its configured to use, in that case

[06:05:21]

daimoh:

groogs: yeah, it's definately 6543

[06:05:40]

daimoh:

groogs: and.. i checked the config, it was config'd to listen on 127.0.0.1, but i've updated it now

[06:05:55]

wagnerrp:

you need the master and local backend IPs both set to a routable IP, and you need to make sure the backend is running

[06:06:20]

wagnerrp:

the port doesnt matter, because mythweb will just pull the port it should use from the database

[06:07:21]

wagnerrp:

set those IPs, restart the backend, and everything should 'just work'

[06:07:22]

daimoh:

how can i check it's actually running?

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wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep mythbackend

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daimoh:

$ ps ax | grep mythbackend

[06:08:24]

daimoh:

27101 ? Ss 0:00 /bin/su -c /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log mythtv

[06:08:26]

daimoh:

27116 ? S 0:00 sh -c /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtvmythbackend.log

[06:08:28]

daimoh:

27117 ? R 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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daimoh:

I assume that's good...

[06:09:42]

daimoh:

last couple of lines in the mythbackend.log are

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daimoh:

2009-11–15 17:08:55.562 New DB connection, total: 3

[06:09:47]

daimoh:

2009-11–15 17:08:55.599 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.2.100

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daimoh:

which is good... i would imagine

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wagnerrp:

looks good

[06:10:15]

mangus580:

wagnerrp: I am finding my picture quality isnt the scan converter so much

[06:10:18]

wagnerrp:

careful with those pastes, two line maximum

[06:10:25]

mangus580:

its more my tuner Ithink

[06:10:29]

mangus580:

or the combo of the 2

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[06:11:31]

telebrett:

Is anyone else having problems with the mythlcdserver in 0.22?

[06:11:32]

mangus580:

crazy ?? about 0.22

[06:11:53]

mangus580:

in 0.21.... you could be watching live tv, go to schedule, find a show, and hit the M key and it would change to taht show

[06:11:58]

mangus580:

that no workie in 0.22

[06:12:10]

mangus580:

how can you choose a show in the schedule and tune to it with 0.22??

[06:12:19]

wagnerrp:

ive hardly used livetv, never used the EPG

[06:12:25]

wagnerrp:

so i dont know how it is supposed to behave

[06:12:27]

daimoh:

my frontend won't connect either – i figured it would be easier to get mythweb to connect in the first place, but.. well.. i guess not.

[06:12:45]

wagnerrp:

are they using the same database?

[06:12:50]

daimoh:

if nothing is listening on 6543, but mythbackend is in the "ps ax" list, what can I do?

[06:13:01]

daimoh:

wagnerrp – yep, both at mythconverg

[06:13:12]

wagnerrp:

on the same sql server?

[06:13:27]

daimoh:

yeah, only have the one

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daimoh:

i'm using ubuntu 9.10 (the new one) – is there some way it could be blocking all incoming connections or something? how can i check for that?

[06:18:01]

wagnerrp:

this is a remote mythweb and remote frontend?

[06:18:12]

Dagmar:

Stop, drop, and roll.

[06:18:17]

Dagmar:

It's hard to go wrong with that.

[06:18:22]

Dagmar:

...and if that doesn't work, duck and cover.

[06:18:27]

daimoh:

yeah, my frontend is remote, but mythweb is running on the same box as the backend

[06:18:28]

mangus580:

LMAO Dagmar

[06:18:48]

wagnerrp:

its doubtful ubuntu has default firewall rules

[06:19:02]

wagnerrp:

however the default mysql server probably does not allow external connections

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Dagmar:

Almost certainly it does nto.

[06:19:36]

Dagmar:

There are, to my knowledge, exactly zero distributions that ship MySQL with a config that enables network access by default.

[06:19:49]

daimoh:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

*cough* FreeBSD

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Dagmar:

I'm sure they don't.

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wagnerrp:

I'm sure they do

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Dagmar:

That would be (OMG!) less secure than the crappiest Linux distro

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daimoh:

i have bind-address = 192.168.2.100 in my.cnf

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wagnerrp:

expecting that the average user who installs and runs mysql has some sense of security?

[06:22:11]

daimoh:

and i can connect from a different box to port 3306

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daimoh:

which makes me thing mysql is listening on 3306 and ubuntu is happy to allow that to connect.

[06:22:35]

wagnerrp:

well anyway, i dont remember ever having to touch mysql and tell it to listen on the network

[06:23:02]

daimoh:

so the backend is running (as per ps ax) but there's nothing listening on port 6543

[06:23:13]

daimoh:

(as per netstat)

[06:23:28]

Dagmar:

Hey, here's an idea.

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mangus580:

uh oh

[06:23:38]

Dagmar:

You could always use netstat as if you had more sense than a turnip.

[06:23:40]

mangus580:

here it comes...

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Dagmar:

It *will* tell you all sorts of wonderfully informative thing about processes if you ask it nicely.

[06:24:13]

Dagmar:

Like, say... netstat -tunap

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daimoh:

netstat -n -l | grep 6543

[06:24:39]

Dagmar:

If you continue to just cut and paste something you saw somewhere on the web without investigating, you'll forever stay in the dark

[06:25:04]

wagnerrp:

well some people are afraid of the light, it burns their skin

[06:25:15]

daimoh:

i've been at this all day, i've been reading all sorts of things, i'm out of ideas

[06:25:22]

telebrett:

Anyone object here if I create a bug with the mythlcdserver only display the current date and time. ie does not display any menu commands or the current music item?

[06:25:35]

telebrett:

Yes I have investigated and can include a log from the mythlcdserver as well.

[06:26:10]

wagnerrp:

like my old roommate, he didnt tan, he lobstered... so he moved to Arizona

[06:26:21]

wagnerrp:

crazy albino

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Dagmar:

Lemme guess, Phoenix?

[06:26:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just outside

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Dagmar:

Hah

[06:27:08]

Dagmar:

Yes, I have been told that Phoenix is where the loons who like hot weather go.

[06:27:22]

Dagmar:

Just like San Fran is where the loons who like cold weather go

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wagnerrp:

scottsdale, actually

[06:27:30]

Dagmar:

...and Seattle being where the rain fans go.

[06:28:15]

wagnerrp:

Buffalo where the winter hermits go?

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: you in buffalo?

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daimoh:

so... how else can i tell if the backend is running? I've tried "ps" (which says it is) but nothing is listening on 6543

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wagnerrp:

'honey, theres 10ft of snow in the driveway, im taking the day off work'

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: no

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mangus580:

you made that reference like you had experience ;-)

[06:29:23]

wagnerrp:

i watch the weather channel

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mangus580:

:-)

[06:29:38]

mangus580:

buffalo aint got nothin on us ;-)

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wagnerrp:

they seem to like the, 'at least youre not in buffalo, they got another 6ft of snow today'

[06:29:56]

wagnerrp:

'oh, you are in buffalo? poor bastard...'

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mangus580:

hehe

[06:31:16]

wagnerrp:

i dont know how they manage it up there

[06:31:18]

mangus580:

we like snow around here :-)

[06:31:24]

mangus580:

its just part of life

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wagnerrp:

we get three inches of white death around here, and theres a run on milk and bread at the supermarket

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mangus580:

for 3 measily inches?

[06:31:52]

wagnerrp:

god knows why they just buy milk and bread

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mangus580:

that doesnt start until about 3' here

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wagnerrp:

people around here are ignorant, they dont learn

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mangus580:

heh

[06:32:36]

wagnerrp:

they see snow, and they panic

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mangus580:

happens here too, the first flakes every year

[06:33:11]

wagnerrp:

just like how ever day, they drive home, go around the hill on the highway, stare into the sun, and hit their breaks

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mangus580:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

every... day.... they dont learn to just buy a pair of sun glasses, or maybe just flip that visor down

[06:33:34]

mangus580:

as if just once.... the sun might not be there

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wagnerrp:

but hey, at least we dont have SUVs driving off bridges and crushing scooters around here...

[06:38:31]

** wagnerrp prods Dagmar **

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mangus580:

whys that? no scooters?? LOL

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banyan:

Hello all! I'm just checking on the status of Myth in Fedora 12 — has anyone got the beta F12 running and does all seem well? Or should I sit back and wait a month?

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: you might have to prod him harder than that

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** wagnerrp tosses another SUV in his general direction **

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mangus580:

is there a story behind that?

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wagnerrp:

a short one

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mangus580:

I got time :-)

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wagnerrp:

a SUV drove off a bridge

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poodyp:

went around a gentle turn and flipped over

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wagnerrp:

he happened to be on the highway beneath

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mangus580:

oops!

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wagnerrp:

no, around here we just have stupid drivers doing stupid things, who then flash their brights at me in disapproval when i subsequently speed past them

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mangus580:

LOL

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poodyp:

wagnerrp: do you live in Los Angeles by any chance?

[06:53:52]

wagnerrp:

far from

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mangus580:

I suspect east coast for him

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mangus580:

prolly DC area?

[06:54:20]

wagnerrp:

still several hours away

[06:54:27]

wagnerrp:

im in the boring midwest

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mangus580:

ahh

[06:55:05]

wagnerrp:

no crazies, no particularly bad weather, just race riots

[06:55:12]

mangus580:

eww

[06:55:35]

mangus580:

southern ohio? LOL

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poodyp:

I bet the drivers here are worse

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wagnerrp:

cops shoot a 'good kid' fleeing at night, with a laundry list of misdemeanors, so theres a riot

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daimoh:

turns out the backend was crashing – Nov 15 17:56:08 jupiter kernel: [24048.899916] mythbackend[30605]: segfault at beed8f8c ip 0183d1c5 sp beed8f90 error 6 in libQtCore.so.4.5.2[179e000+22b000]

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groogs:

is there any way to change the default storage options for a new recording? eg – i always set it to some # limit episodes, and delete oldest.

[07:00:18]

wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

most people end up using mythweb for scheduling, since it gives easier access to these settings

[07:01:36]

groogs:

i really like the regular ui for that, except for the defaults anyway

[07:01:51]

groogs:

but yeah, i understand it's even easier with mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ping?

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mangus580:

is there a 'slideshow' type feature for image display in the mythfrontend?

[07:07:14]

mangus580:

(ie.... rotate pictures every 5 seconds? or such?)

[07:07:48]

wagnerrp:

there is mythgallery, but i dont know if it does automatic slideshows

[07:08:47]

mangus580:

dont see one

[07:08:53]

mangus580:

thats a bummer

[07:09:06]

mangus580:

I have a computer in our kitchen/dining room that I use as a picture frame

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mangus580:

but its crappy

[07:09:17]

mangus580:

and the kids also watch tv from a tuner card on it

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mangus580:

would like to switch it to myth

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wagnerrp:

mythgallery could use a significant rework

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_ian_:

irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE dish 1 with this command the IR emmiter blinks put it does not change my channel in setup box. any tips?

[07:09:54]

wagnerrp:

right now, its a fairly simple file browser

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mangus580:

yup, I see that

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_ian_:

any gurus here? :D

[07:12:38]

Dagmar:

shirik: I think the answer is "swimmingly"

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wagnerrp:

you message to the wrong channel more than anyone else ive ever seen

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mangus580:

mythmusic is pretty cool

[07:15:12]

mangus580:

bedtime here though

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mangus580:

Dagmar: thanks again for the help last night

[07:15:24]

Dagmar:

No problem

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: I might stick with the scan converter for now... unless my buddy is willing to help swap the board with newegg (since he ordered it)

[07:16:06]

mangus580:

after watching some videos (non-mythrecorded stuff) I realized its not that bad

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mangus580:

just needs some color adjustment

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mangus580:

I could prolly live with it fo rnow

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mangus580:

later

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Dagmar:

Get some NTSC bar charts

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Dagmar:

Granted, it'll only stay perfectly calibrated for about ten minutes, but it never hurts to recenter things every once in awihle

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mangus580_zzz:

heh

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Dagmar:

'There may be some in the wiki

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Dagmar:

I don't remember whether I uploaded my work after I went nuts on the giant CRT here or not

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mangus580_zzz:

you act like I know how to read... and know where the wiki is... ;-)

[07:17:53]

mangus580_zzz:

LOL

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mangus580_zzz:

later

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Dagmar:

I cracked the fscker open and adjusted some stuff I'm sure the manufacturer would rather I hadn't.

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_ian_:

anyone knows how to set codeset in lirc?

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metalac:

weird problem, if i leave the frontend on over night and try to watch live TV and/or recordings all I get is black screen and need to kill the frontend, this started happening after 0.22 upgrade, any idea of what might be wrong? don't see this problem during the day only when the box is not in use for extended period of time

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wagnerrp:

kill the frontend? not the backend?

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metalac:

wagnerrp: well i restart the backend too

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metalac:

but i guess for recordings watching backend is not really in play right?

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wagnerrp:

depends, did you set the settings that forces all playback to be routed through the backend, always?

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metalac:

don't even know there is such setting, so i'm assuming it's set to whatever the default is

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wagnerrp:

which would be not

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wagnerrp:

assuming the frontend has file access, and proper permission, it will default to opening the file directly

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banyan:

anyone have an opinion on f12 myth readiness?

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wagnerrp:

does fedora 12 have qt4?

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grung0r:

matalac: has the frontend crashed? or is it just not displaying anymore?

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fstxx:

nuvexport: I get black borders top/bottom, is it possible to crop these?

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_ian_:

hello ppl.

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dan4dm:

oh my goodness, mythbuntu 9.04 => 9.10 upgraded in about an hour, all looking happy. woo!

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decke:

wagnerrp: looks like we have ivtv on FreeBSD now ...

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dan4dm:

hey wait a minute, where's the settings option gone from the frontend menu?

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decke:

wagnerrp: http://svn.bluelife.at/index.cgi/packages/revision/?rev=543

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dan4dm:

hm the "utilities/setup" option reappeared, why wasn't it there at first? hmmmm

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antgel:

about to set up my first slave backend. have read docs but just wanted to check – basically i can clone my existing backend disk, alter the IP settings in mythtv-setup, and the DBHostName in mysql.txt, configure tuners in mythtv-setup, and i'm good to go?

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antgel:

er, and alter /etc/hostname and /etc/network/interfaces as well :D

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dan4dm:

my remote isn't having any effect after 9.10 upgrade. wiki says to run lircd with -L logging option. but the new lircd doesn't recognise an -L option :(

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hume:

hi... I seem to have some problems – I was upgrading my server to ubuntu karmic and it crashed, so now I am in the situation of having done a fresh install of ubuntu karmic, and needing to install mythtv, using my old database and mythtv-folders, and I run into troubles

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hume:

first, when checking the database through phpmyadmin (mysql is installed), i get errors when checking privileges on the mythconverge database: #1054 – Unknown column 'Event_priv' in 'field list'

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hume:

anyone knows of this?

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dan4dm:

hume: this channel's not feeling v busy at the moment.

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hume:

i can see that.....

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Dibblah:

hume: You need to drop the database THEN restore it.

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Dibblah:

Restoring a 0.21 schema backup over a 0.22 database will not work.

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hume:

Dibblah, how do you mean...? if I drop it, how can I restore it then?

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Dibblah:

Have you just done a dist-update?

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Dibblah:

(effectively)

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hume:

ah...it is a problem of having 0.22 installed now, and the database being 0.21?

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Dibblah:

ie not backed up anything before the update?

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hume:

the upgrade-process crashed.... so I have the files, saved on another hard drive, and then have done a fresh install of ubuntu

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hume:

i did not do a database backup, no

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dan4dm:

my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf tries to include "/usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500" but no such file exists – do i need to fetch that file from somewhere?

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hume:

Dibblah, do you get the picture of my situation?

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Dibblah:

hume: You MAY be able to do a chroot into the old environment, backup the database, then restore it properly in Karmic.

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hume:

Dibblah, no, the old environment does not exist anymore, it did not work to do that. So what I have is the files (a copy of /var and /etc), and then a fresh and clean ubuntu.

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dan4dm:

aha! the file is in a new place "/usr/share/lirc/extras/more_remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat50 0"

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Dibblah:

Fairly sure you can't properly restore by just copying the database files.

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Dibblah:

(Across mysql versions, I mean)

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hume:

Dibblah, yes – so: if I can install the old version of mysql, and maybe mythtv, then it might work?

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Dibblah:

Install a chroot and do it there.

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Dibblah:

Then do a proper DB backup + restore on the real host.

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hume:

ok...can you say more on how you mean? never done this before

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jarle:

I have a huge problem with my mythtv system. I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10, only to discover that I could not use the supplied 2.6.31 kernel with my setup. Trying to boot kernel 2.6.30, the devices in /dev/dvb/ is not created! Anybody able to help?

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Dibblah:

hume: look up debootstrap

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Dibblah:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot

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hume:

ok..thx....when you say DB backup and restore, do you mean an export through for instance phpmyadmin?

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Dibblah:

I mean a mysqldump. Have a look at the "backing up and restoring the database" section of the wiki.

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Dibblah:

There's also a recent post from the users mailing list with someone else in exactly the same state.

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Dibblah:

"On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Damian Haslam "...

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dan4dm:

presumably using the db backup perl script would work

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hume:

ok..thx

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Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407880

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Dibblah:

(They solved it)

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antgel:

dan4dm: did you build lirc from source or install from distro packages. what does locate hauppauge |grep lirc report?

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zeltak:

hi guys. anyonw knows of a simple remote control (just pause... play etc..) for symbian s60V5 (touchscreens)?

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dan4dm:

antgel: i've solved it now, thanks – but i've been sticking to distro – started with mythbuntu-jaunty and today just pressed the big Upgrade button to karmic

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dan4dm:

antgel: the config file had moved from "remotes" to "extras/more_remotes"

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dan4dm:

ok well it looks like i'm safely up to 0.22 now – any cool new things worth knowing? IIRC there's supposed to be decent podcast support in 0.22 isn't there?

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antgel:

bloody wifi

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jarle:

which part of the /dev/dvb/ structure does mythtv use? only frontend or dvr?

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mchou:

it definitely uses fe

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mchou:

not sure about dvr

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** jarle is struggling to figure out why his 2.6.30 kernel will not create /dev/dvb/ correctly... **

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mchou:

what card?

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jarle:

mchou: terratec dvb-s 1200

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mchou:

I'm not familar with that card

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jarle:

mchou: it works just fine in kernel 2.6.31

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mchou:

but i bet firmware loading was fail :)

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jarle:

mchou: seems to be something not working with udev (or something in the 2.6.30 kernel)

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mchou:

check dmesg first

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jarle:

mchou:

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jarle:

DVB: registering new adapter (TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S)

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jarle:

DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (ST STV0299 DVB-S)...

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jarle:

seems to be ok?

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mchou:

no

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mchou:

that doesnt say anything about firmware (assuming firmware is necessary)

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mchou:

firmware loading might use a callback

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jarle:

mchou: I have never needed to install any extra functionality for my cards, they have always worked 100% with just the plain kernel..

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mchou:

so what's wrong with using 2.6.31 then?

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jarle:

mchou: I have a program that will not work with this kernel.

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jarle:

mchou: so, until that is fixed I need to use pre-2.6.31 kernel

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mchou:

then recompile mercurial dvb drivers under 30

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jarle:

mchou: problem being that ubuntu 9.10 has kernel 2.6.31 as default

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mchou:

who gives a damn

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jarle:

mchou: mercurial dvb drivers?

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mchou:

from the dvb repos

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mchou:

aka latest and greatest

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jarle:

mchou: My mythbox has been down all weekend because of this so this is really getting to me...

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mchou:

stop whining

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mchou:

this aint rocket science

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jarle:

mchou: I'm just wondering why this has been working just fine with kernel 2.6.18, and kernel 2.6.31 but not 2.6.30?

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mchou:

beats me

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mchou:

I'd chalking it to differnt driver changes

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mchou:

I think you also happen to be going about this the wrong way

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mchou:

what program are you using that would stop working under 31?

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jarle:

mchou: a program one is not supposed to discuss in this channel...

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's funny

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mchou:

serves you right

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mchou:

your dvr deserves to be down

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jarle:

mchou: I pay for all my programs

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** mchou hopes it gives you hemorrhoids **

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mchou:

that's what t hey all say

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mchou:

they*

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jarle:

mchou: in some countries this is actually the only way to have a working mythtv setup. Too bad some people fail to see this...

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mchou:

you norweigians should stop watching TV and go create some females

[16:14:07]

mchou:

I keep hearing stories about how women there have become scarce

[16:15:41]

mchou:

at the rate you guys are going, you'd be extinct way before 2012 :)

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JimKusz:

Hi all: I'm having trouble getting mythwelcome and auto-shutdown/wakeup working correctly.

[16:21:19]

JimKusz:

I can manually set a wakeup time and have the system wake up reliably, and mythwelcome will reliably shut down the system. The problem is it will NOT set the wakeup time.

[16:22:02]

JimKusz:

I've run mythshutdown -v important,general --setwakeup 2009-11–15:10:00 manually, but it actually doesn't actually run the mythwelcome command to set the wakeup time.

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mchou:

JimKusz: how are you setting the wake time in myth?

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wagnerrp:

if you want auto-wakeup to work, you do not shutdown using mythwelcome

[16:22:24]

wagnerrp:

you simply exit the frontend, and let the backend shutdown as it pleases

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JimKusz:

This is linhes (knoppmyth renamed), and it provides a script "mythwelcome-set-alarm.sh" which sets the wake time using time_t by catting it into /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

[16:24:30]

JimKusz:

I can manually call mythwelcome-set-alarm.sh with the wake time in time_t format, and it will work. It appears that mythwelcome is just not executing it.

[16:25:10]

mchou:

I suspect locale time vs GMT time issue.....

[16:25:34]

JimKusz:

wagnerrp: I've considered having the backend set the wake time manually, but that bypasses some features of mythwelcome like scheduled periods of on (for example, to ensure mythfilldatabase gets called daily even though I'm only recording 2–3 days a week)

[16:26:49]

JimKusz:

mchou: that's what I thought origionally, but when I looked, the rtc alarm was not getting set to anything. I even tried calling mythshutdown --setwaketime with a time manually adjusted for DST/UTC, and still the mythwelcome-set-alarm.sh was never called

[16:28:48]

mchou:

it's possible

[16:28:58]

mchou:

use the source luke

[16:30:20]

JimKusz:

I just did more through debugging, and it appears mythshutdown is setting a db setting "MythShutdownNextScheduled", but it is not setting the rtc script...Is it supposed to do it then, or does it wait until shutdown to set the alarm?

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_ian_:

is it possible to hide other menus?

[16:30:57]

wagnerrp:

_ian_: what do you mean?

[16:31:46]

wagnerrp:

you can edit the menu xml files, and remove certain menu entries, but things like setting screens are hard coded

[16:32:15]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, let say i do not want to show the manage recording.

[16:33:44]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, ok ill try to look up the xml files :)

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wagnerrp:

its in /usr/[local/]share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/library.xml

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wagnerrp:

defaultmenu is the default, if you changed mythtv to use one of the other menu layouts, change the folder accordingly

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wagnerrp:

oh, manage recordings.... that will be in mainmenu.xml

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to remove that?

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, its for my kids :) i do not want them to program there own.

[16:36:28]

zeltak:

hi guys..anyone knows of a remote for mythtv fo nokia phones?

[16:36:34]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, so i have to program using web clieat.

[16:36:50]

wagnerrp:

you can still pull up the EPG in livetv to program

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, and disable it in there box.

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[16:37:17]

mangus580:

you know... I was going to ask... is there a way to password protect the settings menu?

[16:37:26]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, what do you mean?

[16:37:42]

wagnerrp:

you go into livetv, open up the program guide

[16:37:50]

wagnerrp:

and then you can seek around and create new recordings

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, i also want to remove the live tv :)

[16:38:29]

wagnerrp:

same file

[16:38:40]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, they can only watch recorded :)

[16:39:13]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: no

[16:39:43]

wagnerrp:

you *may* be able to work the sql settings such that the frontend is read-only

[16:40:01]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know how the frontend will take that

[16:40:12]

wagnerrp:

it may decide to crash if it is refused write access when it wants it

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, yah you have a point.

[16:41:03]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, so they only have a read-only access to the mysql database

[16:41:58]

wagnerrp:

that was actually directed at mangus580, but you may as well just remove the settings menu entry

[16:42:40]

wagnerrp:

keep a copy of the original to move back in place if you ever want to make changes to it

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, i got it :) is it possible have a sort of parental control. like this set of recording can not be seen.

[16:47:34]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, is that possible?

[16:47:54]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has parental control, when the listings provider supports it

[16:48:12]

wagnerrp:

you can set a PIN for access to content above a certain level

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mangus580:

I just want to lockout the settings so the kids dont accidentally mess something up

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, what do you listing provider?

[16:49:06]

wagnerrp:

listings provider... wherever you get your guide data from

[16:49:18]

wagnerrp:

schedules direct, or some xmltv grabber

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_ian_:

mangus580, i think you can have 2 mainmenu.xml. if you can to change a setting copy the menu with the setting

[16:50:04]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, oh ic. we do not have that in our country.

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mangus580:

_ian_: not a bad idea

[16:50:30]

wagnerrp:

_ian_: if you do not have a listings provider, mythtv is nearly worthless

[16:50:43]

mangus580:

the 6 year old is probably fine

[16:50:44]

wagnerrp:

EIT data from the broadcaster counts as well

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mangus580:

its the 3 year old that I worry about

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wagnerrp:

mythtv also supports multiple menu layouts, which you can override with a option override on the command line

[16:51:46]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if you can actually add new layouts, but you can certainly replace one of the old ones

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mangus580:

thats probably the easiest way to do it

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, i think its not worthless it can still record your tv shows :)

[16:52:06]

wagnerrp:

_ian_: but at that point, it is no better than a VCR

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mangus580:

although every time I restart myth, my screen position gets messed up

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, yah you have a point :)

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wagnerrp:

although if youre outside the US, you probably have at least a halfway decent EIT feed from your broadcaster

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, I will ask our broadcaster

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, i am not really familiar with this.

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wagnerrp:

just turn on support in mythtv, see what you get

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wagnerrp:

not sure how to do that exactly, ive never worried about it

[16:56:43]

wagnerrp:

EIT data in the US is almost non-existent

[16:56:52]

wagnerrp:

you dont often get more than the current show

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, what are you using?

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct

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mangus580:

what is EIT data?

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wagnerrp:

EIT is a data stream transmitted within the TV broadcast

[16:58:29]

wagnerrp:

providing some amount of listings data

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, can schedules direct be used in the philippines ?

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mangus580:

gotcha

[16:59:05]

wagnerrp:

no, US and canada only at the moment

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, thats bad :(

[16:59:37]

_ian_:

wagnerrp, any other solution? :)

[17:00:16]

wagnerrp:

http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php?topic=3229.0

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, can i use this in mythtv?

[17:01:36]

wagnerrp:

mythtv can use any compliant xmltv grabber

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, this good :)

[17:02:11]

_ian_:

this is good :)

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_ian_:

wagnerrp, thanks for the tip

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wagnerrp:

first page on a google search for 'philippines xmltv provider'

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despo:

Hi all!

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despo:

When i watch live-tv and press "r" for record, exit frontend and then go back to live tv all my buttons are dissabled and i can't exit, stop recording... I cant do nothing...

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despo:

after a minute or so the buttons come back to life.... Strange

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despo:

Well it even looks like alt-tab twice works...

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hume:

hi....I am having troubles with mysql – cannot stop the mysql-server on a ubuntu karmic brand new installation – anyone got advice on what to check? just installed it, sudo apt-get install mysql-server, and get errors on services mysql start

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th0br0:

hello, are there any statically linked builds of the mythbackend available?

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hume:

I am trying to upgrade my mythtv-installation...

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despo:

...

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iamlindoro:

Heh, bad ass, and starts tonight: http://www.duckydoestv.com/2009/07/24/preview . . . ded-trailer/

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, long time no see!

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kormoc:

Heh

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kormoc:

yeah, well, there was a bit of a fight with dircproxy and my channels and I finally gave dircproxy the boot

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wagnerrp:

took him this long to paddle back in from the mid-pacific

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unique:

so im trying to configure my shutdown/reboot.. and i have show quit and shutdown and then for Halt command i have halt... but my computer is still not turning off

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unique:

i tried shutdown -h now i tried sudo halt ... sudo shutdown -h now

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wagnerrp:

is it shutting down, just not powering off?

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unique:

nothing is shutting down

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unique:

im using mythbuntu... and not even mythtv closes

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unique:

it just ignores my command

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laga:

did the defaults work?

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unique:

the default before i changed was just "halt"

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unique:

and that didnt work

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unique:

if i have it on reboot.. then that works... but i want it to shutdown

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unique:

there is reboot script that i did not change..

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sphery:

unique: sudo poweroff , perhaps? (sorry if that's a repeat--something weird happened and my scrollback cleared, so I'm thinking I hit up arrow/enter instead of sending)

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Lexridge:

what's up folks?

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Lexridge:

I'm having database problems. My record schedule is blank, even when I add new items. Where should I start looking?

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wagnerrp:

make sure your tuner cards are listed as connected

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp. If the tuner cards were not connected, would I still be able to watch live tv? because I can.

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Dagmar:

Check the backend log

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Lexridge:

also, I'm just looking at my db backups....up until 11–09, the backups were over 19MB, recent backups are only 745 bytes....humm

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wagnerrp:

well thats likely a permissions issue

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Dagmar:

So it looks like it's time for you to go run some tests to make sure your databases weren't torched.

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wagnerrp:

mysqldump doesnt have the permissions to access the database, so its just dumping an error message to the archiver

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wagnerrp:

or the same result from db corruption

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Lexridge:

oh....lemme see what the short files looks like

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Dagmar:

How to repair a mysql database is documented on literally thousands of places on the internet.

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Dagmar:

...and there is more than just mysqlcheck involved.

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Dagmar:

Probably got something to do with how many people abuse mysql and break it

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Lexridge:

I'm sure.. I'm certainly not a mysql expert by any means.

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Lexridge:

I do have some weird stuff in my backend log

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Lexridge:

Perhaps I should just try restoreing a known good backup from a week ago?

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Dagmar:

Well, by "abuse" I am including "crashing one's machine and not sanifying the databases before trying to use them"

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Lexridge:

I did have a power outage last week....that was probably the culprit

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Dagmar:

Oh sure

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Lexridge:

The outage outlasted the UPS

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Dagmar:

I'm quite certain you'll have no problems determining which was the last good copy being that you didn't have a clue anything was wrong until this day

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Dagmar:

*hinthint*

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Lexridge:

Well, I have not watched any tv in a week.

[19:40:44]

Lexridge:

Been out of town

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Dagmar:

Look into repairing the db before you restore

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Lexridge:

Here is what my backups look like

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wagnerrp:

generally a UPS is not intended for backup power

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wagnerrp:

rather, just enough to get the generator going, or otherwise power down the machine

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wagnerrp:

thats why you only get enough energy to run at the rated power for a couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

thats why you get something like apcupsd or nut to manage powerdown for you

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Lexridge:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1672467

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wagnerrp:

and on a proper battery, it will do powerup as well

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Lexridge:

Yea, I know. Stupid me

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wagnerrp:

still on 0.21?

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Lexridge:

yea, with patches

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: could be worse

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wagnerrp:

our admin set up a UPS for the master nodes at work, but never had automated shutdown

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wagnerrp:

so the machines would run, drain the battery, and then die

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Lexridge:

ouch!

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wagnerrp:

when i finally got around to fixing it

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wagnerrp:

the batteries had been completely trashed by repeated deep cycling

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wagnerrp:

so the machines cant even shut down in time before losing battery

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Lexridge:

that's bad

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Lexridge:

I run a 30Kw UPS at work. It's a BEAST!!! :)

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Dagmar:

Time to call up the electric company and berate someone

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Lexridge:

weighs in at 2800lbs

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wagnerrp:

yeah... weve got the better part of a MW coming into the facility, it should be more stable than it is

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Dagmar:

We have 4 larger than that

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Dagmar:

...and we're adding a fifth.

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Dagmar:

I wish to be far, far away should any of them have a "catastrophic" failure

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wagnerrp:

we use almost 100kW on our own, and the experimental lab has several 200kW+ electric heaters

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jduggan:

nice, i bet your dick is huge

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Dagmar:

jduggan: It can block out the sun.

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Lexridge:

lol

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Dagmar:

So watch your mouth or I'll blight your crops.

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Lexridge:

our 30kw runs the datacenter, master control, and production control (news control) and is still only at 50% cap

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Lexridge:

that is actually amazing to me

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Dagmar:

With any luck when they install the fifth, it WON'T be a debacle like last time when they miscalculated what the flooring could handle.

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Lexridge:

all this digital equipment uses far less AC than our old analog shit

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Dagmar:

I just about called the operation off mid-move because I thought we were about to have someone crushed to death

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Lexridge:

yikes!! the floor gave out?

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Dagmar:

It's freaking terrifying to see five guys shifting a multi-ton UPS the size of a small van around, and _each and every floor tile it crosses_ starts buckling and crumpling.

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Lexridge:

yea, we broke MANY tiles moving ours in. Probably 20–30 at least

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Lexridge:

but that was becasue the tiles were half-assed when they were installed, I believe

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wagnerrp:

what? tiles? poured concrete all the way!

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jduggan:

we have two 500kva systems, theyre all on teh ground floor in our plant room

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Dagmar:

Yeah turns out that having that load resting evenly across many times is a far cry from it being distributed among three dolly jacks

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jduggan:

suffice to say its a concrete floor

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Solid flooring in a datacenter?

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Dagmar:

Nooo

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Dagmar:

Gotta have raised tiles for air

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wagnerrp:

what? air? no... just cut another hole in the wall and install a second AC

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Lexridge:

Our datacenter is an elevated wood floor with ceremic tiles and removable steel floor panels for cabling

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

I SO wish our stuff were that simple sometimes. Hehe

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wagnerrp:

were aero engineers, we cant be bothered with silly things like proper HVAC installation

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Dagmar:

hehegh

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Lexridge:

lol

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Lexridge:

how can I select all in VIM so I can copy my backend log?

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Lexridge:

nm, I justdo it in kate

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Dagmar:

shifty click dragging?

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wagnerrp:

gvim might have something for that, but vim wouldnt

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Lexridge:

too big to drag

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you could, I dunno, attempt to _read_ some of it

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wagnerrp:

considering its a terminal app, and wouldnt have any concept of a X clipboards

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Dagmar:

Either way, it's a safe bet you should just run the two relevant repair tools on your databases and be done with it

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Dagmar:

All we're likely to see from the backend log is a bunch fo complaining that mysql was refusing to take updates

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Lexridge:

ok

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Lexridge:

I assume I can find this information on the mythtv wiki?

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Dagmar:

Like I said earlier...

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wagnerrp:

im surprised flywheel backups havent gotten more common

[19:55:13]

Lexridge:

flywheel backups?

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Dagmar:

There's literally THOUSANDS of pages on the internet that tell you how to repair broken MySQL databases

[19:55:26]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: 1. They're heavy.

[19:55:31]

Lexridge:

Looking for them now

[19:55:31]

Dagmar:

2. When they fail, they terrify people.

[19:55:38]

wagnerrp:

compared to several tons of batteries?

[19:55:40]

Lexridge:

yea, they do

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Dagmar:

IAWK put four in their Seoul and Taipei facilities turing the dot-com boom

[19:56:02]

Lexridge:

wow, .22 is out?

[19:56:04]

Lexridge:

cool!

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Dagmar:

One of them failed in the first week in Taipei.

[19:56:19]

Lexridge:

looks like I have some updating to do once I fix my database

[19:56:21]

Dagmar:

I was told it made a sound like reality was tearing.

[19:57:01]

Lexridge:

will an svn update on .21 automatically put me to .22?

[19:57:04]

Dagmar:

The thought of that big of a weight slipping it's restraints and going amok like a giant child's spinning toy... *shudder*

[19:57:26]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: You'll prolly want 0.22-fixes instead of 0.21-fixes

[19:57:36]

Lexridge:

ok

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wagnerrp:

as commented way back... 'still on 0.21?'

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Lexridge:

Yea, I remember seeing that, but you guys are all running .3 beta...that is what I thought you meant

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Dagmar:

o.O

[19:58:38]

Lexridge:

I cant get the beta to compile....missing to much shit in FC8 lol

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Lexridge:

for that matter, .22 may have changed enough that it wont compile on this old system

[20:00:00]

linxeh:

hi there – is there any way to tell whether my hauppage nova 500td card is using its amplifiers or not ?

[20:00:39]

wagnerrp:

if it has amplifiers, it is using them

[20:00:48]

wagnerrp:

its very unlikely a card would have a variable amp

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linxeh:

wagnerrp: right. you have one of these do you ?

[20:01:01]

wagnerrp:

no

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Dagmar:

Mainly because we know better

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dustybin:

is there any witty comments in the mythtv source code?

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linxeh:

wagnerrp: apparently the LNA amps are off by default. you have to enable them with a module config option, and I'm not convinced the option made a difference (so I dont know if it is off or on)

[20:02:03]

linxeh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_No . . . tu_9.04-9.10

[20:02:32]

Lexridge:

does .22 support VDPAU?

[20:02:40]

wagnerrp:

well thats just funky

[20:02:48]

wagnerrp:

i dont know why they would allow a user control over that

[20:03:35]

wagnerrp:

i mean if its an almost certainty that the card wont work without it, why allow it to

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linxeh:

yeh, I should check the module source I guess

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Lexridge:

is mysqlcheck the program I want to use? There is a lot of confusing information out there.

[20:09:35]

Lexridge:

looks like I need to specify each table too. that sucks!

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Lexridge:

oh, here's a problem!!! My / drive is 100% full!!!

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Lexridge:

and my system messages log is 24GB in length!!! holy shit!

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Lexridge:

all smb errors

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Dibblah:

Well, logrotate might be a good plan.

[20:18:05]

Lexridge:

I use log rotate

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Lexridge:

all the other messages.x are under 100k

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wagnerrp:

our internet at work crapped out last week due to that

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wagnerrp:

months of network logs piled up and filled the hard drive

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wagnerrp:

admin turned it on to figure something out, and forgot about them

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Lexridge:

I deleted the 23GB messages file, I have stopped the backend, and mysqld. Now running myisamchk *.MYI

[20:24:49]

Lexridge:

but I think this will only check the tables, not repair them

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Dagmar:

read further.

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Dagmar:

There's two layers of organization to the table files

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Dagmar:

...and there's a tool to fix each of them.

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Lexridge:

ok

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Dagmar:

There's no excuse for saying "I think this will only check"

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Dagmar:

You've got man pages you can easily consult.

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Lexridge:

looks like this might take a while to run also

[20:26:22]

Lexridge:

I know

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Lexridge:

I'll let this run through and see what it reports first

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Dagmar:

NightHawkTheSane: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus . . . bumId=619531

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Dagmar:

damnit

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Dagmar:

stupid lag

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brad2:

hey guys, does anyone get "Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 thread didn't exit" when closing mythfrontend?

[20:28:04]

messerting:

brad2: yes

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messerting:

every time (:

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brad2:

is that something buggy with my system? Or everyone gets it?

[20:28:26]

Dagmar:

I'll let you know when I close it

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Dagmar:

s/when/if/;

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Dibblah:

brad2: Do you have any mythfrontend zombies while it's running?

[20:28:51]

brad2:

sorry i'm not familiar with what you mean, what is a mythfrontend zombie?

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messerting:

I get it every time, and don't see any zombies with 'ps'

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messerting:

0.22-fixes from svn here

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wagnerrp:

heh... my backend log is 2.6GB

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wagnerrp:

probably why 'less' sits there calculating indefinately whenever i try to open it

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hume:

hi....I get an error on my frontend, saying that frontend runs network protocol 50 but server runs 40. what do I need to upgrade? both are ubuntu karmic packages, 0.22.0

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wagnerrp:

the backend and frontend must be of the same protocol and schema revision

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wagnerrp:

and ideally, of the same svn revision as well

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: It's fixed.

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Lexridge:

thank you!!!

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hume:

wagnerrp, yes.. but they are both ubuntu package 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 – should that not make use the same protocol? how can I fix it?

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wagnerrp:

hume: the only way you could have that issue is if you are still running a 0.21 backend

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wagnerrp:

either the update failed

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wagnerrp:

or you have not restarted the backend to grab the new binary

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hume:

wagnerrp, ok....rebooted the server, now it seems to work, thx

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have needed to reboot

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wagnerrp:

restarting mythbackend should have been sufficient

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Lexridge:

damn, v.22 requires qt4.4. I only have qt4.3

[20:53:43]

Lexridge:

last time I built qt4, it took forever + two days.

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wagnerrp:

aww come on.... i can do qt4 in like 8 hours on my old laptop

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Lexridge:

lol, I may have exaggerated a bit

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Lexridge:

my backend is a single core slow machine.

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wagnerrp:

it says 4.4 is a requirement?

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Lexridge:

yea

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wagnerrp:

(my laptop is a single core slow P3)

[20:55:57]

Lexridge:

MythTV switches from Qt 3.4 to Qt 4.4 libraries [16790]

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wagnerrp:

i thought i remember running 4.3x a long time ago

[20:56:27]

wagnerrp:

might have been 4.43

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i wont argue

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Lexridge:

Here what my cpu is in my backend: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+

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SeveredCross:

That's not *that* slow.

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Lexridge:

maybe a bit faster than the p3

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SeveredCross:

It's mostly that, well, Qt kinda stinks.

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wagnerrp:

uh huh...

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SeveredCross:

Plus, it's C++, so compilation is hella-slow.

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SeveredCross:

(Mostly kidding about Qt stinking, but C++ compilation is known to be slow)

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Lexridge:

I'm gonna try to build it with 4.3, just to see what happens

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wagnerrp:

your distro doesnt do binary packages?

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Lexridge:

didnt get very far: Qt4.4 or newer is required to build MythTV

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Lexridge:

I have Fedora core 8....no longer supported

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SeveredCross:

Why not upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

SeveredCross++

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Lexridge:

I will eventually

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wagnerrp:

that eventuality is at hand

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SeveredCross:

FC11 has been stable for a while now, no?

[20:59:53]

iamlindoro:

even if you got it built on FC8, your python is WAY to ancient to take advantage of new grabber scripts

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Lexridge:

I will try to build a qt4.4 RPM on my quad core, then install it on the backend

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iamlindoro:

w/to/too/

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Lexridge:

oh, never thought of that

[21:00:13]

Lexridge:

will CPAN be my friend?

[21:00:20]

wagnerrp:

CPAN for python?

[21:00:20]

Lexridge:

oh, that perl

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Lexridge:

nm

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Lexridge:

I was confused lol

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wagnerrp:

thetvdb grabber script is developed on 2.6, and really only tested as far back as 2.5

[21:01:09]

wagnerrp:

it may work on 2.4, but its very possible it wont

[21:01:21]

iamlindoro:

won't

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iamlindoro:

2.5+

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wagnerrp:

well there you go

[21:01:37]

Lexridge:

looks like I have 2.5.1

[21:01:47]

wagnerrp:

!trout Lexridge upgrade

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** MythLogBot slaps Lexridge with a upgrade trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

[21:01:59]

Lexridge:

I hate fish!!

[21:02:04]

wagnerrp:

the time is nigh!

[21:02:15]

Lexridge:

Would CentOS be a good choice?

[21:02:25]

wagnerrp:

you want to *upgrade*

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justinh:

starting to get sick of this theming lark again. Already :-\

[21:02:33]

Lexridge:

or would it's python be too old as well?

[21:02:43]

wagnerrp:

everything on CentOS is old

[21:02:50]

wagnerrp:

its intentionally designed that way

[21:03:04]

Lexridge:

I know, but the new 5.4 just came out.

[21:03:20]

SeveredCross:

Hahah, great line(s) right there.

[21:03:27]

Lexridge:

hell, I have centos installed on a server here. I will check it

[21:03:30]

SeveredCross:

"Would CentOS be a good choice?" – "You want to *upgrade*."

[21:03:32]

wagnerrp:

and the new 5.4 is still running off the same 2.6.18 kernel and old patched packages

[21:03:35]

Lexridge:

as soon as it gets booted

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SeveredCross:

Lexridge: Go for Mythbuntu?

[21:03:37]

iamlindoro:

CentOS is a *bad* choice

[21:03:43]

iamlindoro:

still can't use any grabbers

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Lexridge:

ok

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wagnerrp:

when 6.0 comes out, it may be a good choice for a year or two

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Lexridge:

Fedora 12 comes out tuesday. Perhaps I should try that

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wagnerrp:

but then the work to maintain mythtv on it will start to increase just as before

[21:04:34]

Lexridge:

yea, I see your point

[21:04:42]

Dagmar:

You *could* always just install freaking mythbuntu

[21:05:07]

Dagmar:

Since you're clearly looking for someone to do the heavy lifting for you, I fail to see why you'd bother picking a distro that only does some of it

[21:05:14]

Lexridge:

Well, I have used redhat since Redhat v5....so I am familar with it.

[21:05:33]

Lexridge:

mythdora might be a better choice for me

[21:05:53]

SeveredCross:

Yes, except Mythbuntu does literally all the hard work for you.

[21:06:00]

linxeh:

if you've been using redhat since v5 you will be easily able to adapt to mythbuntu

[21:06:19]

Lexridge:

I just hate sudo under ubuntu

[21:06:26]

linxeh:

sudo rocks

[21:06:30]

Dagmar:

So don't use it

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justinh:

easy to undo that

[21:06:43]

Dagmar:

...and in the future, you should probably keep such idiotic opinions to yourself.

[21:06:52]

Lexridge:

Someone said all you need to do is set a root password...is that true?

[21:06:59]

SeveredCross:

Lexridge: Believe so, yes.

[21:07:02]

SeveredCross:

Actually.

[21:07:03]

Lexridge:

in ubuntu that is

[21:07:03]

justinh:

sudo has probably stopped a lot of people harming their own installation

[21:07:06]

SeveredCross:

No, you change one line in sudoers.

[21:07:17]

Lexridge:

ok

[21:07:23]

Dagmar:

If you don't know what the f**k you're doing so that you don't need sudo, then YOU NEED TO BE USING SUDO.

[21:08:00]

justinh:

yeah I learned that being rooty all the time is bad. the hard way

[21:08:06]

Lexridge:

I know wtf I am doing, believe me.

[21:08:11]

linxeh:

sudo is just a good idea period

[21:08:14]

Lexridge:

I dont log in to x as root, ever

[21:08:15]

Dagmar:

Bullshit.

[21:08:21]

SeveredCross:

BTW, here's why Ubuntu's sudo is good: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo

[21:08:28]

linxeh:

we use it on all our redhat boxes

[21:08:30]

justinh:

Dagmar: it's his funeral. just promise not to help him scrape up the mess later :)

[21:08:37]

Dagmar:

If you had to _ask a question like that_ about sudo, then you dont' know what the hell you'

[21:08:39]

Dagmar:

re doing.

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Dagmar:

justinh: I am quite sure I'll be laughing at him later.

[21:09:00]

Lexridge:

I didnt ask a question, I just stated that I hate sudo

[21:09:12]

Dagmar:

Yes, and that's a dumbass thing to say if I ever heard it.

[21:09:29]

justinh:

how I laughed when I rm -rf'd / on my first ever gentoo install. it was about 5 days old

[21:09:34]

Dagmar:

...and you DID ask another dumbass question: "<Lexridge> Someone said all you need to do is set a root password...is that true?"

[21:09:43]

SeveredCross:

Not to mention that it defeats the purpose of sudo.

[21:09:47]

Dagmar:

If you have to ask that, you should be using sudo because you don't know what the hell you're doing.

[21:09:51]

Dagmar:

Okay wait, that's being nice

[21:10:07]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't be using sudo, you should get a grown-up to help you

[21:10:13]

Dagmar:

That's being honest.

[21:10:38]

Lexridge:

Well, being that I have never used ubuntu, I have no clue about ubuntu. Every dist is somewhat different

[21:11:01]

Dagmar:

That lack of knowledge represents a complete disinterest in spending the five minutes necessary to read enough documentation so that you actually have a knowledge of what sudo is meant to do.

[21:11:25]

justinh:

oh man I *hate* what I did to video-ui.xml

[21:11:30]

Dagmar:

Right! So let's compound things further by exposing that you don't know what you're talking about with respect to Linux in general.

[21:11:32]

Dagmar:

Great plan.

[21:11:58]

Lexridge:

Being that redhat/fedora has never used sudo, I would have no reason to be familiar with it.

[21:11:58]

Dagmar:

sudo is the same on every fscking distro and platform that I've seen, and I've seen a lot of them.

[21:12:13]

Lexridge:

I'm sure it is

[21:12:27]

Dagmar:

You're pasting these statements from some joke guide on trolling, aren't you

[21:12:30]

Dagmar:

No one can be that stupid.

[21:13:01]

SeveredCross:

Hmm.

[21:13:13]

SeveredCross:

Considering I have a box I'm currently logged into where sudo asks for the root password.

[21:13:20]

SeveredCross:

I think *you're* the one who's trolling.

[21:13:26]

Dagmar:

I am damn sure that sudo has shipped out with Fedora for the last ten years at least.

[21:13:27]

Lexridge:

If you guys like sudo, great. I just happen to like root. I am entitled to that.

[21:13:28]

SeveredCross:

So no, it's not the same on every distro.

[21:14:07]

Lexridge:

yes, sudo is included with fedora, but why use it when I have a root account?

[21:14:08]

Dagmar:

If you think that the comparison of 'root' and 'sudo' even makes a lick of sense you've probably still got a ways to go before you've made it clear just how little you actually know.

[21:14:21]

Dagmar:

The question is, how long before your hands get worn out

[21:14:41]

Lexridge:

??

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Lexridge:

from typing and retyping sudo?

[21:14:58]

Lexridge:

lol

[21:15:01]

Dagmar:

SeveredCross: Really? Some people are shipping something that didnt' come from courtesan?

[21:15:20]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: No, from trying to defend the dumb things you're saying by saying even more dumb things.

[21:15:38]

Dagmar:

If you'd quit digging, the dirt would soon stop falling back on your head.

[21:15:39]

SeveredCross:

AFAIK, most distros besides Ubuntu have sudo asking for the root password.

[21:15:57]

SeveredCross:

All SuSE baseds, and I think Red Hat baseds as well.

[21:16:09]

Lexridge:

actually, sudo does not ask for the root password, only the user's password.

[21:16:14]

Dagmar:

SeveredCross: Are you even aware that whether or not sudo asks for a password is entirely dependent on how it was set up?

[21:16:36]

Lexridge:

i didnt know that....I thought it was always for the user's pw

[21:16:52]

SeveredCross:

I've been trying to see the differences between my sudoers on my laptop and the sudoers on the SuSe box.

[21:16:57]

SeveredCross:

But I'm having some trouble connecting to it at the moment.

[21:17:03]

SeveredCross:

(Just lost my connection)

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Lexridge:

which would imo, make sudo dangerous since any user could have root access using sudo.

[21:17:59]

SeveredCross:

Well, no.

[21:18:03]

SeveredCross:

Generally, only the first uer is set up.

[21:18:05]

Dagmar:

pfft

[21:18:06]

Lexridge:

but that is probably an incorrect statement

[21:18:16]

SeveredCross:

Or a particular group.

[21:18:18]

Dagmar:

It's generally not useful to have sudo asking for anything other than the user's password

[21:18:22]

Lexridge:

since I dont use sudo, I dont know anything about it

[21:18:53]

wagnerrp:

if you have the root password, you should just be using root to do root things

[21:18:56]

SeveredCross:

On this machine, the admin group can run sudo, with their own password.

[21:19:09]

Lexridge:

ic

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wagnerrp:

sudo's intent is to allow users to perform tasks that would have otherwise required the admin

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Dagmar:

I remember having seen it setup to ask for the destination uid's password, I never bothered to look into whether or not that was a patch done against it, or sudoers magic

[21:19:32]

Dagmar:

I didnt' think it was useful at the time

[21:19:36]

wagnerrp:

the admin can delegate certain tasks to certain users, and lighten the load on themselves

[21:20:08]

Lexridge:

that could be useful perhaps

[21:20:09]

SeveredCross:

Ah, add 'rootpw' in /etc/sudoers, to the Default line.

[21:20:51]

Dagmar:

What wagnerrp talks about is probabl 99% of the reason audo was written.

[21:20:55]

Dagmar:

s/audo/sudo/;

[21:21:15]

Dagmar:

Things like having a secretary being able to reset passwords, without giving her the ability to accidentally erase the machine.

[21:21:16]

wagnerrp:

the use of sudo on ubuntu and such only makes sense if youre trying to have a multi-user system, and you dont trust the other users

[21:21:30]

Dagmar:

Oh, and to LOG that said assistant administrators did something when they did it.

[21:21:33]

Dagmar:

Accountability is one of the big three

[21:21:53]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, you know they're using it to protect users from themselvees.

[21:22:03]

Dagmar:

...which is sad, but at least they try.

[21:22:19]

Dagmar:

It would be more helpful I think if they'd explain up front how they're abusing sudo

[21:22:40]

Lexridge:

I actually know a guy who refuses to log in as anything but root. I have tried for years to get him to stop, but no dice!

[21:22:59]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: An empty filesystem will eventually teach him for you

[21:23:03]

wagnerrp:

the other 1% of reason for sudo is if you want to run automated tasks that require root access but dont want to store the root password in the script

[21:23:12]

Dagmar:

Empty or full. One of the two generally happens.

[21:23:29]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: *facepalm* i keep forgetting about that

[21:23:31]

Dagmar:

heh

[21:23:32]

wagnerrp:

and dont want to screw around with setuid stuff

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Lexridge:

I just put the task in the root crontab

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Dagmar:

I've written small C programs just to exec as a wrapper like three times

[21:23:54]

Lexridge:

that way no pw is necessary

[21:24:32]

Lexridge:

then if the script needs to run as a different user, I just add su -c to the crontab

[21:26:18]

Lexridge:

btw, python on CentOS is really old...2.4

[21:26:33]

wagnerrp:

yes, that was one of the reasons against centos

[21:26:41]

Dagmar:

one of the many

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Lexridge:

Guess I need to reinstall this system and blow centos out

[21:27:21]

Lexridge:

I installed it a while back, but have never used the machine yet...it is a replacement for my main puter, which is starting to develope cap issues.

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Lexridge:

I have a stupid question....Why when I render two HD files at the same bitrate, one in 720p, the other in 1080i. They both end up the exact same size.

[21:30:07]

iamlindoro:

because... that's what bitrate is?

[21:30:19]

SeveredCross:

^^

[21:30:19]

Lexridge:

25mb

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iamlindoro:

Size over duration

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iamlindoro:

bit...rate

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Lexridge:

25Mb/s

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iamlindoro:

right.

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iamlindoro:

same bitrate means same size

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SeveredCross:

Actually.

[21:30:50]

SeveredCross:

Not at different resolutions, no.

[21:31:06]

Lexridge:

I thought the resolution would play something into it as well.....guess not

[21:31:06]

iamlindoro:

like asking "why when I cut a 6 inch piece of string and a six inch piece of rope, are they the same length?"

[21:31:16]

wagnerrp:

and dagmar is vindicated

[21:31:18]

iamlindoro:

SeveredCross, Actually, yes, at any resolution

[21:31:19]

SeveredCross:

Higher res->more macroblocks->more things ot encode->bigger file at same bitrate.

[21:31:25]

SeveredCross:

iamlindoro: I call shenanigans.

[21:31:31]

iamlindoro:

SeveredCross, Then it's not same bitrate

[21:31:43]

SeveredCross:

Yes, it is? 25 Mb/s is 25 Mb/s.

[21:31:46]

iamlindoro:

*variable* bitrate would produce different sizes-- but then it's not the same bitrate

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SeveredCross:

Bitrate is independent of resolution.

[21:32:10]

wagnerrp:

youre now arguing with yourself?

[21:32:11]

Lexridge:

that makes sense.

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justinh:

and reducing bitrate doesn't affect quality no matter what. The BBC says so

[21:32:30]

Lexridge:

the bbc says that?

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Lexridge:

they are idiots then! lol

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wagnerrp:

their actions sure do

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iamlindoro:

SeveredCross, If you use VBR, and encode two resolutions, they're not the same bitrate in the end-- they're two bitrates with the same peak bitrate

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justinh:

they reduced the bitrate of BBC HD & have said it hasn't affected the quality

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SeveredCross:

iamlindoro: I didn't say anything about VBR.

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Lexridge:

I was not using VBR....everything is fixed

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iamlindoro:

SeveredCross, bitrate is *only* an expression of number of bits per unit of time

[21:33:16]

SeveredCross:

iamlindoro: I'm making the argument that at the same constant bitrate, two files with different resolutions but equivalent running times, will encode to different resolutions.

[21:33:24]

iamlindoro:

no, they won't.

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wagnerrp:

so youre saying to 25mbps CBR files of the same time with different resolutions will be different sizes?

[21:33:32]

SeveredCross:

Actually...now that I think about it, you're right. And I proved it to myself earlier.

[21:33:49]

iamlindoro:

A constant bitrate means that for identical durations, at ANY resolution, they will ALWAYS be the same size

[21:33:52]

SeveredCross:

2009 Nov 15 16:31:47 SeveredCross: Bitrate is independent of resolution.

[21:33:59]

SeveredCross:

The bits just get spread over more blocks.

[21:34:15]

Lexridge:

so the framerate would be moot as well.

[21:34:22]

SeveredCross:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

file size = bitrate * time

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wagnerrp:

it cant get any more simple than that

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Lexridge:

We run both our Fox and CBS at 15.6Mb/s, and the 720p FOX looks MUCH better during football, or any sports than the 1080i does

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wagnerrp:

thats because its progressive

[21:35:43]

Lexridge:

yes

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wagnerrp:

no combing on high motion scenes

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iamlindoro:

and 60 fps

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iamlindoro:

versus 60 fields/30frames

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Lexridge:

the difference is unbelievable. If CBS would allow it, I would downconvert them to 720l

[21:36:21]

Lexridge:

720p

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Lexridge:

or cross-convert actually

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SeveredCross:

I'm actually waiting for my first capture card to come in the mail.

[21:38:00]

Lexridge:

anyone using the dual HD tuner by Hauppauge? I cannot remember the model number...HVR2020 maybe. Been thinking about getting two of them.

[21:38:16]

SeveredCross:

ATI HDTV Wonder, because I'm cheap.

[21:38:17]

wagnerrp:

2250

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Lexridge:

to replace this 1600 and 350 cards

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wagnerrp:

works for digital, not analog

[21:38:28]

Lexridge:

yea, 2250

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Lexridge:

no analog at all?

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Lexridge:

hummm.....

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wagnerrp:

1080i is better for low motion dramas, like nearly all of CBS's content is

[21:39:04]

wagnerrp:

furthermore, its all TC'd content

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SeveredCross:

That's why I went with the ATI card--the Hauppage cards that were fairly cheap didn't do analog.

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SeveredCross:

And here at the University, all we get is Analog.

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wagnerrp:

so you *could* drop it back to 1080p24, and broadcast it like that

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wagnerrp:

the ATI card is utter crap for analog

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SeveredCross:

Well, nuts.

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp, but I would need to do h264 for 1080p, and my encoders are mpeg only

[21:39:58]

wagnerrp:

video quality not withstanding, it is a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

and as such, a complete PITA

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SeveredCross:

Ah, so my box needs to be able to encode quickly enough?

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: 1080p24, mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

that TC'd 1080i60 stream just has duplicated fields off the original 1080p24 content

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Lexridge:

I cant imagine 1080p/24 would look good at 15.6mb/s

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wagnerrp:

so its actually LARGER than the progressive version

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Lexridge:

using mpeg, that is

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wagnerrp:

the ATSC spec allows for 1080p24

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know how device support would be

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Lexridge:

yes, by my encoders may not.

[21:42:45]

Lexridge:

I could log into them now and fiddle with it, but I dont want to fsck things up during nfl football lol

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Lexridge:

that tends to really piss off our viewers

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SeveredCross:

You guys use Unix-based encoders?

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Lexridge:

Linux based encoders, actually

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SeveredCross:

Dang.

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Lexridge:

adtec brand

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wagnerrp:

likely with custom drivers for custom hardware encoders

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Lexridge:

no doubt

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wagnerrp:

so hardly linux

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SeveredCross:

Eh.

[21:44:32]

SeveredCross:

Maybe not GNU/Linux.

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SeveredCross:

But Linux no less.

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wagnerrp:

they run linux in the same sense that tivo runs linux

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Lexridge:

here is what we use: http://adtecinc.com/products/mediaHUB-HD422/index.html

[21:45:12]

SeveredCross:

Meh. I'm not a purist.

[21:46:06]

Lexridge:

and also their matching multiplexers

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Lexridge:

they use the 2.6.12 kernel

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wagnerrp:

SeveredCross: just commenting that the fact that it runs linux doesnt mean you can just hack in whatever functionality you please

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Lexridge:

no, it doesnt

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SeveredCross:

Isn't that exactly what it means?

[21:47:26]

SeveredCross:

Isn't half the point of Linux that you can make it do damn near anything you please?

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Lexridge:

this is embedded linux. I have no clue what cpu is inside them. I should ssh into it and find out.

[21:47:58]

laga:

no, i think that was netbsd. ;)

[21:48:00]

wagnerrp:

the point is that the manufacturer can make it do anything they please

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wagnerrp:

they dont have to give the end user any real access beyond their version of the linux kernel source, as per the GPL

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Lexridge:

loooks like it will do 1080p

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Lexridge:

I'll play around with that this week.

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: obviously you should consult someone who actually knows what theyre talking about before doing anything

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wagnerrp:

IRC doesnt count

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Lexridge:

Yea, I will call adtec before making major changes

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justinh:

top gear! w00t

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hume:

if I want to re-scan for channels, but save the channels and channel-info I have right now, how can I do that?

[21:51:46]

Dagmar:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

i mean CBS to see if thats allow, someone who knows something about TVs to see if they can play back the content

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Lexridge:

they also do h264 now....I must need a firmware update first.

[21:52:14]

wagnerrp:

the ATSC spec allows for 1080p at framerates other than 59.97, and h264 encoding

[21:52:21]

Lexridge:

but I'm sure very few tvs support h264 presently

[21:52:21]

wagnerrp:

but that doesnt mean playback devices support it

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Lexridge:

yes

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Lexridge:

beleive me, if I change something and our signal can not be received by some viewers, we will know about it very quickly

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Lexridge:

every phoneline will light up almostly instantly!

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Lexridge:

\been there, done that lol

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wagnerrp:

i really want to know why there are no consumer-grade atsc/qam modulators

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Dagmar:

"It's like magic! I push this button here... and all the lights on that phone over there come on and start flashing!"

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Lexridge:

There is one, actually....I just saw it on amazon.com

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Lexridge:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i remember seeing one several months ago, for like $350

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defaultro:

Good afternoon folks. Question about RealTek ALC889A. Will spdif passthrough work with this audio device? I remember using nforce driver but I'm not sure what my old mobo had

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wagnerrp:

but a single one

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Lexridge:

yea, that was around the price of it

[21:55:41]

Lexridge:

still expensive

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wagnerrp:

and its hardware that could be managed for like $50

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Lexridge:

yup

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Lexridge:

I would love to have a qam encoder here.

[21:56:20]

Lexridge:

they will get cheaper soon

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wagnerrp:

but they havent gotten cheaper in 10 years

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Lexridge:

http://zeevee.com/connected-home

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just found it

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wagnerrp:

looks like analog only

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wagnerrp:

i could see the point for no hdcp, but no dvi doesnt make much sense

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Lexridge:

yea, no DVI input

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wagnerrp:

and only 720p

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Lexridge:

i see that

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Lexridge:

and $400 still

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Lexridge:

ouch!

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wagnerrp:

well if youre looking to upgrade an existing multi-room distribution system, $400 isnt that bad

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wagnerrp:

certainly beats having to pull multiple hdmi plugs

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Lexridge:

you would think someone could build a PCI express QAM encoder card for ~$100

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Dagmar:

Hahahah no

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wagnerrp:

you *could* hack one onto an existing video card, they have enough power for it

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Lexridge:

well, no, depending upon how many channels you wanted to encode.

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Lexridge:

I would need three here, and $1200 is just too much

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wagnerrp:

theres some madman who turned an old radeon into a QAM modulator, using the red video output off the VGA port

[22:01:55]

Lexridge:

nice!

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Dagmar:

So that explains what's wrong with Comcast around here

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wagnerrp:

not QAM, DVB

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, wasn't it a DVB-T emitter?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

http://bellard.org/dvbt/

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wagnerrp:

seems that and http://fabrice.bellard.free.fs/dvbt/ are the same site

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Lexridge:

looks like an interesting project

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Lexridge:

looks like the resulting signal is COFDM and not 8vsb

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iamlindoro:

He's also the ffmpeg founder

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Ojg:

Ive just installed 0.22 and im having some problems with MythVideo when i enter the "watch videos" it wants to scan everytime and i have all my videos on a fileserver so this takes a few min everytime in 0.21 this was not the case, is it possbile to disable the autoscan ?

[22:06:20]

Lexridge:

COFDM will not work with standard USA tvs

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Dagmar:

Ojg: Yes.

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wagnerrp:

well as i commented last time, absolutely genius, and completely insane

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iamlindoro:

On the contrary, MythVideo, does no autoscanning of any kind

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Ojg:

Dagmar, where ?

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iamlindoro:

Sounds more like you are using file browse mode-- MENU->Disable file Browse Mode

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Dagmar:

Somewhere in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo will wait a couple seconds as it grabs a list from the database

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iamlindoro:

but hey, what do I know about MV anyway

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Lexridge:

later guys...dinnertime.

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wagnerrp:

should leave tech support to the actual developers... :P

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I'm happy to have you around providing good info :)

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wagnerrp:

ugh... all my anti-static bags are for either from hard drives slightly too small, or motherboards much too large for video cards

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Dagmar:

Wrap 'em in tinfoil then

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Ojg:

iamlindoro: gj, you were right quite odd though as i remember file browse mode should be disabled by default :S

[22:15:15]

wagnerrp:

it should be

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iamlindoro:

Ojg, I do know my way around MythVideo, I do

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wagnerrp:

however selecting modes through the menu is now permanent

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Ojg:

=)

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wagnerrp:

if you chose it once, it will continue doing that until you disable it

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt that way in 0.21 was it?

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Ojg:

nope

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, correct

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Ojg:

might have pressed it by mistake anyway thx, that was the only querk i got when i upgraded my system, no problems compiling or installing, the new themes are really nice aswell =)

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wagnerrp:

Ojg: now were just waiting on variety

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iamlindoro:

Ojg, Glad you are enjoying it, thanks

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Ojg:

iamlindoro: its awesome been running mythtv for a few years now

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wagnerrp:

wow... looking at that zvbox atsc modulator

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wagnerrp:

the only difference between the $400 version and the $1000 version is the latter supports component video

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michaelm:

After scanning for digital channels and adding them I have a bunch of channels in my channel guide now. When I tune some unavailable channels it is like my tuner becomes hung. I can't tune any channels after that until I reboot my computer.

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michaelm:

Does anyone have any ideas on a way to reset the tuner without rebooting the computer? I am trying to go through and delete the bad channels but it is taking a really long tie.

[23:29:17]

michaelm:

time.

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michaelm:

I'm using a kword 115 card.

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wagnerrp:

if you tune an unavailable digital channel, mythtv will hang trying to access the stream, and will eventually time out, dropping you back to the main menu

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michaelm:

I really can't type today. Kworld 115.

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that the unavailable channel is now set as the default channel

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wagnerrp:

so you go into that channel when you start livetv back up

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wagnerrp:

however rebooting shouldnt fix that

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michaelm:

I have already reset the starting channel on the backend and it still won't tune anything.

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wagnerrp:

you would either have to wait for a recording to change the channel, or go into mythtv-setup and change the initial channel yourself

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michaelm:

I get "Error opening jump program file" every time I choose watch TV.

[23:31:38]

michaelm:

I know it has reset because when I choose Watch TV it starts on a good channel. But it is never able to tune it.

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michaelm:

If I reboot the backend computer it works fine.

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michaelm:

The error I get in the frontend when I tune a "bad" channel is "Video frame buffering failed too many times" then it drops be back in to the dashboard.

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michaelm:

Then any channel I try to tune after that (including good ones) brings up the error "Error opening jump file"

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michaelm:

Anyone have any ideas on what would cause this or how to reset things without rebooting?

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wagnerrp:

heh... seems forums.thetvdb.com is still up, even though the main site is down

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michaelm:

Is anyone here running the .22 frontend on OS X? Does your channel guide work?

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wagnerrp:

according to the forums, wherever the server is located, someone showed up with a bunch of machines and blew out some power circuit

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michaelm:

Mine comes up behind the video so I can't see what I am doing in it.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: "blew" it?

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Dagmar:

Time for them to get the hell out of that data center and over to somewhere that's properly managed then.

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wagnerrp:

http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&a . . . art=10#p9322

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Dagmar:

"One of the customers at that location turned up 9 blades last night and blew 2 circuits. They've been working since late last night trying to resolve the issue. The new circuit won't be installed until Monday. We'll know more in a bit."

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Dagmar:

Yes, definitely time to go somewhere else.

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Dagmar:

The people in that datacenter are both irresponsible and unqualified.

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine theyre paying *anything* for co-loc at somewhere with that kind of response time

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Dagmar:

You DON'T put freaking bladecenters in enclosures or on power circuits that don't have enough power to drive the thing fully-loaded.

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Dagmar:

That's just freaking stupid.

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Dagmar:

So, if it's taking this long to fix, they didn't just pop a circuit breaker--it wounds like they cooked wires.

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wagnerrp:

dont those things generally have hardwired 30A plugs for that reason?

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Dagmar:

That's even _more_ amateurish.

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wagnerrp:

something intentionally incompatible with the generic NEMA 15A

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and if someone was an idiot and hooked up a bladecenter to just ONE of those, that would be one reason for failure

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Dagmar:

They require 21A per PSU

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laga:

21A per PSU? nice!

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Dagmar:

They things use LOTS of power

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wagnerrp:

laga: its a blade, each PSU is powering 10 or so servers

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wagnerrp:

theres 2–3 for redundancy in an 8U or so chassis

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Dagmar:

Four actually

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wagnerrp:

is it a 2+2 kind of thing?

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

four supplies, each capable of powering half the system

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Dagmar:

I could swear they "double sized" ones were more like 12–14u, but I can't remember for sure

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iamlindoro:

So the new TVDB API will allow referencing by TMS seriesID

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Dagmar:

I just remember having to basically rob power from two other circuits to get the one we brought in to eval up

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iamlindoro:

cue the raping of TVDB by some greedy Myth user bent on populating the whole guide with images

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Dagmar:

The airflow in the things is like standing next to a double-barreled hair dryer

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michaelm:

Is there another Linux app that will let me test an my HD tuner besides Myth?

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wagnerrp:

a 12u chassis almost seems pointless

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wagnerrp:

i mean at that point, the blades are wider than the rack theyre mounted in

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wagnerrp:

it would be cheaper and denser just to stick with a bunch of 1Us

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Dagmar:

This one had two sets of blades. Not just the "usual" 8 or 10

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wagnerrp:

unless its like two rows of 10" blades

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Dagmar:

We've got lots of the single-row ones here

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Dagmar:

The double-height monster turned out to be more dense than we could reasonably handle

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