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| [00:07:19] | justinh: | oo found a UK channel icon pack. Looks like a 5 year old did it in MS Paint |
| [00:07:23] | skd5aner: | hmmm, looking at lyngsat, and I don't see transparent pngs for the majority of the primary network icons? |
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| [00:08:15] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, What network? |
| [00:08:22] | skd5aner: | ahh – I think I see it now |
| [00:08:24] | justinh: | if there's an H above the thumbnail, there's a PNG available |
| [00:08:36] | skd5aner: | "Hi-Resolution Version" |
| [00:08:47] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:08:51] | skd5aner: | yea, I see it now, perfect – thanks |
| [00:09:16] | iamlindoro: | guess I could tar up my pack, there's a few hundred of them |
| [00:09:22] | iamlindoro: | and it's most of the common stuff in the US |
| [00:10:24] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: OOOHHHHHHH |
| [00:10:34] | skd5aner: | :D |
| [00:11:02] | skd5aner: | I would be happy, but I'm wondering – what if I manually edited the master_iconmap.xml file, and included the links directly to the hi-res ones? |
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| [00:11:20] | skd5aner: | then, folks could use that file and download them themselves if they wanted |
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| [00:11:30] | skd5aner: | would take FOREVER for me to do, but hey – if others would find it useful |
| [00:11:53] | iamlindoro: | Nah, the better way to deal with it is just to modify the myth script on services.mythtv.org to pull in the PNGs when available |
| [00:11:57] | psm321: | how does mythtv decide if two different chanid's are the same logical channel (for display in the program guide and scheduling) |
| [00:12:03] | iamlindoro: | master_iconmap is two ways of getting icons ago |
| [00:12:14] | iamlindoro: | and we don't want to go back that way, and definitely don't want people trying to use it |
| [00:12:18] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: anyway I could help to do that? |
| [00:12:20] | iamlindoro: | www.fecitfacta.com/US_transparent_icons.tar.gz |
| [00:12:40] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, Don't think so, think we just need xris to find some time to look at it, but he's got a little one on the way |
| [00:13:00] | iamlindoro: | that's 143 of the US icons w/ transparency... should cover most common channels |
| [00:13:07] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, I figured it's probably very low priority for him – if there's anyway I could do some of the workd, I'd be happy to |
| [00:13:09] | justinh: | psm321: callsign & channum |
| [00:13:22] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, no, it's all behind the scenes stuff on Myth's services server |
| [00:13:48] | psm321: | justinh: so both have to match? |
| [00:14:35] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: well, I won't beg to do a lot of hard work, just trying to help ease some of the heavy lifting if possible – understood it's a service on the servers |
| [00:15:02] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, are you a perl guru? It's not up to me to decide who does it |
| [00:15:03] | skd5aner: | thanks for the icons! |
| [00:15:04] | justinh: | whoah http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=BB . . . width=1000px |
| [00:15:55] | iamlindoro: | justinh, among others, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:BBC_logos |
| [00:15:57] | psm321: | justinh: thanks :) |
| [00:16:22] | skd5aner: | Honestly – I am not, but I can always do the labor intensive stuff of getting a good portion of US based icon URLs from lyngsat |
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| [00:16:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, It's not a labor intensive process, it's a perl guru job |
| [00:17:06] | skd5aner: | yea, automation would be nicer |
| [00:17:09] | skd5aner: | np :) |
| [00:17:12] | iamlindoro: | The script is a scraper/parser that is run periodically |
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| [00:18:44] | skd5aner: | does the service index/parse/scrape any of the Hi-Res iconds at all now? It looks like they all fall under http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/... |
| [00:19:09] | pak0: | i can?t find a guide for watch hdtv on 5.1 |
| [00:19:16] | justinh: | even better! http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl . . . ew&go=Go |
| [00:19:20] | justinh: | eat that lyngsat |
| [00:19:41] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, Honestly, this whole conversation has been had at least twice before, I'm not eager to rehash it-- no, it does not parse any of the PNGs right now |
| [00:19:42] | justinh: | gah. spoke too soon |
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| [00:19:55] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: np, just curious |
| [00:19:58] | pak0: | i can watch movies with dts and 5.1 w/o prblem, but where is any guide for hdtv? or its a problem of alsa? |
| [00:20:23] | skd5aner: | appreciate you packaging those ups |
| [00:20:26] | iamlindoro: | it needs to be done by a myth dev, and that means waiting for someone with the expertise and access to the services stuff to do it-- that is not me, and it's not just a general public task either |
| [00:20:34] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:20:36] | justinh: | need to pick apart a pdf to get the vectors. hmm |
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| [00:21:36] | skd5aner: | yup, got it. Just know that when it was a client based list I submitted 3–4 patches to update the .xml lists, I know that's old-school/deprecated now and sounds like I can't really "better" the process with the new architecture |
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| [00:22:18] | skd5aner: | cool, well – off to update the icons manually :) |
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| [00:25:13] | dustybin: | justinh: if the pdf contains fonts, sometimes its a good idea to outline the pdf before hand using enfocus pitstop (acrobat pro plugin) |
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| [00:30:26] | iamlindoro: | Wow... so my local cable co launched *76* new channels over a month ago and SD hasn't caught up |
| [00:30:37] | sphery: | encrypted or not yet? |
| [00:32:59] | iamlindoro: | They're encrypted, but I could still tune them if I had listings/the channels existed at SD |
| [00:33:11] | iamlindoro: | frustrating to find out > 30 days after the fact that I should have had all these new channels |
| [00:35:02] | brad2: | holy crap! I actually wrote network code that logged into a website |
| [00:35:02] | iamlindoro: | Amusingly when they moved certain channels they took them away from my lineup... but didn't add where they went |
| [00:35:07] | brad2: | i never thought that would work, haha |
| [00:35:28] | wagnerrp: | well you know... people have only been doing so for 15+ years :P |
| [00:35:49] | iamlindoro: | way to stomp on the success of others |
| [00:35:57] | iamlindoro: | you're just on fire with that kind of stuff today |
| [00:36:08] | wagnerrp: | more of a dont sell yourself so short |
| [00:36:25] | iamlindoro: | sounded derisive from here |
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| [00:36:45] | justinh: | inkscape has managed to get most of them :) |
| [00:36:52] | wagnerrp: | didnt mean to be, i apologize if it did |
| [00:38:06] | Josh__: | Is there a guide somewhere documenting the difference between ATSC, DVB, and MPEG channels all found with a channel scan from an ATSC tuner over terrestrial cable? |
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| [00:43:26] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, noone called you _mchou_, you're still in the clear :) |
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| [00:43:55] | psm321: | iamlindoro: SD is missing a bunch of HD channels from my lineup... doesnt matter to me tho cause I don't get HD |
| [00:45:06] | iamlindoro: | something is definitely broken in getting new channels from TMS-- Zap2It gets their listings from the same source, so if they have the channels, TMS has them... |
| [00:45:42] | psm321: | did you try the refresh lineup button? (i didnt) |
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| [00:46:13] | iamlindoro: | psm321, the issue at *at* Schedules Direct, not on my myth box |
| [00:46:17] | pak0: | i need Setup alsa to re-sample audio to 48000Hz. for watch hdtv on ac3? |
| [00:46:30] | psm321: | iamlindoro: yeah SD has a button that says something like that |
| [00:46:37] | psm321: | forgot the exact words |
| [00:46:54] | iamlindoro: | I'll have a look |
| [00:47:06] | psm321: | "Re-Add All Lineups" |
| [00:47:10] | psm321: | its a link not a button |
| [00:47:19] | psm321: | "Due to a rare software problem, if you think you're missing some stations, try to Re-Add your lineups" |
| [00:47:51] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, well the channels didn't appear, and it reset all my channels that I had disabled |
| [00:47:58] | psm321: | oh |
| [00:48:00] | psm321: | sorry :( |
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| [00:48:19] | iamlindoro: | s'ok, was worth a try |
| [00:51:17] | iamlindoro: | psm321, Actually, that did do the trick, another refresh and they appeared |
| [00:51:21] | iamlindoro: | so bravo and thanks :) |
| [00:54:40] | psm321: | nice :) |
| [00:54:46] | psm321: | i wouldnt have though to do it twice |
| [00:54:52] | psm321: | np |
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| [00:56:25] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thanks again for the icons, they're coming in handy for sure – I'm finding a couple more Hi-Res for some channels my provider (TWC) has, not sure if you'd be interested in any of those? |
| [00:57:51] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, I've got 100% of my icons, thanks |
| [00:57:57] | iamlindoro: | (for the offer) |
| [00:57:59] | defaultr0: | wagnerp, I was able to find the stream. However, it will only play in windows media player. I'm not sure if there is a handshaking going on or could be user-agent |
| [00:58:36] | skd5aner: | np :) |
| [00:58:54] | defaultr0: | wagnerrp, I'm going to sniff the traffic later :) |
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| [01:17:52] | antgel: | anyone here using ron frazier's mythimon.pl display app? it's telling me Error: myth frontend network control port does not appear to be enabled at MythMonitor.pm line 299., but i *have* enabled it and lsof -i:6546 confirms that. |
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| [01:21:25] | antgel: | ah, got it. i was running mythimon.pl with sudo to get it to connect to /dev/lcd0, which is crw-rw--- root:root permissions. i did a chmod a+rw /dev/lcd0 and now i can run mythimon.pl without sudo'ing |
| [01:21:47] | Josh__: | CRAP, still getting the same error, "Error opening jump program file" |
| [01:22:00] | antgel: | i don't like that though, i wonder if it's more acceptable to e.g. make udev give /dev/lcd0 mythtv group read + write permissions |
| [01:22:46] | Josh__: | wait a second, I'm running mythbackend inside of gdb |
| [01:22:49] | Josh__: | let me try it solo |
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| [01:25:56] | Josh__: | haa |
| [01:26:13] | Josh__: | I get that error when running mythbackend inside of gdb, but by itself I get no error |
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| [01:30:21] | wagnerrp: | oh well thats fantastic |
| [01:30:27] | wagnerrp: | my PVRs are working again |
| [01:30:39] | brad2: | woot woot, i managed to get cookies! |
| [01:30:50] | wagnerrp: | that means they just magically started working again, through no success of my own |
| [01:31:04] | wagnerrp: | (not a good thing) |
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| [01:34:44] | mangus580: | hmmm this should be fun |
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| [01:36:38] | Josh__: | I wish I could figure out what was up with these digital tuners |
| [01:37:08] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I wonder if our problems are related? |
| [01:38:03] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, here's an excerpt of my backend log when tuning a channel on my HDHR |
| [01:38:06] | Josh__: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1669206 |
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| [01:49:20] | justinh: | whee got virtually all the freeview logos as svg now :) |
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| [01:58:46] | Josh__: | grr, this is so frustrating... |
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| [02:00:28] | wagnerrp: | oh god, flash forward started with a montage today |
| [02:00:44] | wagnerrp: | i thought we got past those 20 years ago |
| [02:01:06] | kormoc: | So they're back in fashion |
| [02:01:06] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: thats what i was seeing last night, yes |
| [02:01:38] | wagnerrp: | now around 3am, i did have some network problems, and restarted my HDHR |
| [02:01:46] | wagnerrp: | perhaps that fixed whatever was going on |
| [02:02:15] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I just unplugged/replugged my HDHR just now. |
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| [02:12:17] | Josh__: | apparently that fixed the logfile craziness |
| [02:12:34] | Josh__: | but it still takes FOREVER to start livetv, compared to when I first switched to 0.22 |
| [02:12:52] | wagnerrp: | using vdpau? |
| [02:13:37] | wagnerrp: | it probably takes a second or so to prep that |
| [02:13:39] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, no. |
| [02:13:50] | Josh__: | let me time it. |
| [02:14:12] | wagnerrp: | i hardly use livetv to notice a difference |
| [02:14:57] | Josh__: | 30 secs from pushing livetv to actual video start |
| [02:16:11] | Josh__: | Is there a ./configure solution for a PC running pulseaudio? |
| [02:16:28] | Josh__: | short of removing all traces of pulse, (which I would like to do, just no time at the moment) |
| [02:17:01] | wagnerrp: | if you compile on a machine with pulseaudio installed, it will automatically install with pulseaudio 'support' |
| [02:17:13] | wagnerrp: | support being the ability to disable pulseaudio and access alsa directly |
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| [02:17:40] | Josh__: | but it doesnt disable pulseaudio, just complains about how support was compiled in, but this machine is running pulseaudio, and dies. |
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| [02:18:42] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, is that as designed? |
| [02:18:57] | sphery: | support not compiled in, but the machine is running it, right? |
| [02:19:07] | wagnerrp: | it would only complain if it were incapable of disabling pulseaudio |
| [02:19:26] | sphery: | yes, for a network pulse server, it will complain |
| [02:19:35] | sphery: | (even if that "remote" server is on the local machine) |
| [02:19:39] | Josh__: | sphery, I dont have a network pulse server (to my knowledge) |
| [02:19:40] | Josh__: | oh |
| [02:19:49] | Josh__: | It's default ubuntu desktop, |
| [02:19:59] | sphery: | probably not a network setup, then |
| [02:20:32] | Josh__: | It was working fine until I updated this thing to karmic |
| [02:20:58] | Josh__: | karmic broke a bunch of myth-related stuffs |
| [02:25:22] | Josh__: | uh-oh. |
| [02:26:05] | Josh__: | now the frontend keeps shutting down, during the MythVideo Schema |
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| [02:29:36] | Josh__: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1669248 |
| [02:29:43] | Josh__: | # |
| [02:29:43] | Josh__: | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 26761, errno = 32 |
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| [02:34:10] | skd5aner: | wow, even with iamlindoro's help – it's taking forever to get the hi-res channel icons |
| [02:38:03] | Josh__: | skd5aner, I'd be happy just getting video to the frontends. |
| [02:38:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: means you have too many channels |
| [02:38:32] | sphery: | my OTA channels wouldn't take long to cover :) |
| [02:38:35] | wagnerrp: | 'high-res' being what? |
| [02:38:44] | Josh__: | I'm not sure if it's just the version of ubuntu-server I am running, but this thing is EFFING slow. |
| [02:41:09] | wagnerrp: | you know... ill admit to being a bit aggressive on the road |
| [02:41:22] | wagnerrp: | but on the way home tonight, someone cut across three lanes of traffic to cut me off |
| [02:41:28] | wagnerrp: | making me hit my breaks hard |
| [02:41:43] | wagnerrp: | so at the first chance, i zipped around him, and hit the gas |
| [02:41:52] | wagnerrp: | he flashed his brights at me in disapproval |
| [02:46:30] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, did you flash a bag of marbles out the sunroof in agreement? |
| [02:46:52] | wagnerrp: | see... now youre thinking |
| [02:46:55] | Josh__: | :) |
| [02:47:10] | Josh__: | It was an old motorcycle trick. I always kept a bag of marbles handy. |
| [02:47:14] | wagnerrp: | toss something at his BMW coupe going 50mph in the left lane with no one in front of him |
| [02:47:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, but he had a sports car, he was supposed to be in the left lane |
| [02:47:51] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, if you throw the whole bag, they think it's buckshot |
| [02:48:22] | Josh__: | then they call the cops and you get pulled over for discharging a firearm :) |
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| [02:48:34] | Seventoes: | is there no way to watch netflix streaming movies on myth? |
| [02:48:55] | Josh__: | Seventoes, AFAIK, the only platform you can watch netflix streaming movies on is Windows. |
| [02:49:08] | Seventoes: | boo |
| [02:49:11] | wagnerrp: | no, netflix uses silverlight, using capacity that moonlight does not have |
| [02:49:24] | wagnerrp: | so even using a browser is not an option |
| [02:49:34] | Seventoes: | :( |
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| [02:58:48] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I've stopped getting the prebuffer error, but the video is still FULL of artifacting, then failes with "video frame buffering failed too many times |
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| [03:07:27] | ** Josh__ debates how hard it would be to switch back to 0.21 ** | |
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| [03:20:20] | wagnerrp: | very |
| [03:20:38] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: try upgrading your firmware |
| [03:20:39] | Josh__: | i'd just set up a new database |
| [03:20:53] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 runs a much newer version of hdhr libraries |
| [03:21:03] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, just did, still putting out gibberish |
| [03:21:07] | wagnerrp: | try upgrading to mid-august |
| [03:21:15] | wagnerrp: | or downgrading, i suppose |
| [03:21:20] | Josh__: | the latest firmware was Oct, 2008-ish |
| [03:21:36] | wagnerrp: | but the libraries are dated august 24 (i believe) |
| [03:22:08] | Josh__: | updating the libraries? or the firmware? |
| [03:22:20] | wagnerrp: | the libraries are hardcoded into mythtv |
| [03:22:24] | Josh__: | apparently the changelog says latest firmware is 2009-10–24 |
| [03:22:28] | wagnerrp: | downgrade the firmware |
| [03:22:49] | Josh__: | there's a aug 06, and an Aug 30 |
| [03:22:58] | Josh__: | I'm thinking Aug 06 2009 |
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| [03:24:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:24:20] | wagnerrp: | the library sync was aug 23 |
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| [03:25:36] | Josh__: | well, crap. |
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| [03:25:46] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:25:49] | Josh__: | Apparetnly silicondust doesnt cache their old versions? |
| [03:25:54] | wagnerrp: | need a copy? |
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| [03:26:27] | Josh__: | Please? |
| [03:26:47] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/hdhomerun_atsc_ . . . 20090806.bin |
| [03:26:57] | Josh__: | and they've got the /hdhomerun/ folder locked down so I can't browse, either |
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| [03:28:23] | Josh__: | okay, new (old) firmware installed. |
| [03:29:31] | mangus580: | any of you guys heard of the iMON IR setup? |
| [03:29:51] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, it gets a channel lock quick like, the OSD fades away, and I'm still sitting at a black screen waiting for video |
| [03:30:01] | Josh__: | and now video has appeared, but it's horrible. |
| [03:30:56] | Josh__: | same as before. |
| [03:31:17] | Josh__: | I wonder if I set up a backend on my laptop and see if it acts the same. |
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| [03:56:43] | wagnerrp: | anyone seen fringe tonight? |
| [03:57:09] | iamlindoro: | nope, couple more hours |
| [03:57:27] | wagnerrp: | anyway... beginning of the show, theres a carpark |
| [03:57:30] | wagnerrp: | just wondering what it is |
| [03:57:34] | wagnerrp: | its been used so often |
| [03:57:46] | wagnerrp: | was used in the dark knight, was used in dead like me |
| [03:58:02] | wagnerrp: | was used in several other movies and shows that i cant think of off hand |
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| [04:05:48] | wagnerrp: | yep, season 2, death defying... same car park |
| [04:06:12] | Josh__: | um. |
| [04:06:58] | Josh__: | I want to backup the entire contents of my 800GB "data" folder to my new 1TB drive. What's the best way to get all the files over, in one pass (without leaving the dotfiles, if any) |
| [04:08:55] | wagnerrp: | why dont you want hidden folders? |
| [04:09:10] | wagnerrp: | folders/files |
| [04:09:16] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I do want them. I don't want to leave them behind |
| [04:09:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, without |
| [04:09:48] | Josh__: | if I were to do a cp -R /shared/* /mnt/bigassdrive, it would leave the dotfiles behind |
| [04:11:07] | Josh__: | aha |
| [04:11:11] | Josh__: | cp -rp |
| [04:11:40] | wagnerrp: | -r is the same as -R |
| [04:11:49] | wagnerrp: | -p just preserves file permissions |
| [04:11:57] | Josh__: | hmm. |
| [04:12:01] | Josh__: | oh, I see now. |
| [04:12:26] | Josh__: | mabye something like 'cp -R /shared/*.* /mnt/bigassdrive |
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| [04:12:39] | wagnerrp: | if you just copy the directory, it will copy the whole directory and all hidden files |
| [04:13:00] | wagnerrp: | however if you copy 'directory/*'... thats where you lose the hidden files |
| [04:13:04] | Josh__: | ahh |
| [04:13:07] | Josh__: | so.. |
| [04:13:17] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: do you know anything about the imon remote controls? |
| [04:13:18] | Josh__: | cp -R /shared /path/to/dest ? |
| [04:13:32] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: not a bit |
| [04:13:35] | mangus580: | k |
| [04:14:21] | wagnerrp: | anyway, in the latter, bash expands the star, and leaves out the hidden files |
| [04:14:36] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do something like that, you need to provide a regexp |
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| [04:22:22] | wagnerrp: | well now this is really bugging me... i want to know what that car park is |
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| [04:26:07] | elmojo: | Josh__: cp -av /shared /mnt/bigdrive should work |
| [04:26:28] | elmojo: | you don't need the the 'v' but it's nice to see what's going on |
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| [04:31:26] | elmojo: | in fact I highly recommend using '-a' since it preserves all the file attributes such as ownership, etc |
| [04:32:42] | wagnerrp: | '-a' is equivalent to '-rp' |
| [04:35:41] | elmojo: | this is true |
| [04:45:30] | elmojo: | anyone else notice some e-mails from the mailing lists not make it to them |
| [04:45:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:45:50] | elmojo: | I've found some threads on gossamer that never made it to me |
| [04:45:52] | wagnerrp: | screwes with threading |
| [04:45:54] | elmojo: | including ones I sent |
| [04:46:09] | wagnerrp: | and occasional dropped commit messages |
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| [04:46:17] | elmojo: | wonder if it's due to the recent server problems |
| [04:46:26] | wagnerrp: | nope, been happening for months |
| [04:46:46] | elmojo: | ah, ok... haven't been paying as close attention until recently |
| [04:46:48] | wagnerrp: | months that ive noticed anyway |
| [04:47:13] | elmojo: | hard to reply to gossamer threads :) |
| [04:47:53] | elmojo: | wonder if the ones I don't receive no one else receives |
| [04:48:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and if you reply without the proper header, im putting you on the burn list |
| [04:48:19] | elmojo: | please don't set me on fire |
| [04:48:26] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:48:59] | elmojo: | or tell iamlindoro to do it |
| [04:49:04] | wagnerrp: | accidentally accused Captain Murdoch of that a while back, before noticing i had just never received the email it referenced |
| [05:06:00] | mangus580: | ok, quick question |
| [05:06:14] | mangus580: | where are all the frontend settings stored? (ie, if I wanted to rebuild my frontend box) |
| [05:06:23] | wagnerrp: | the database |
| [05:06:33] | wagnerrp: | ALL mythtv settings are in the database |
| [05:07:01] | mangus580: | so if I start the box from scratch, and name it identical (same hardware and everything – just a clean drive and new install) it should pick up where I left it? |
| [05:07:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:08:00] | mangus580: | cool... |
| [05:08:07] | mangus580: | gonna try that to get this damn IR working LOL |
| [05:13:28] | elmojo: | jya: did 190.42 work better for you |
| [05:13:55] | jya: | vdpau-wise, better than 185.18.36, not as good as 180.60 |
| [05:13:56] | elmojo: | or is it still unstable like everything since 185.x |
| [05:14:07] | elmojo: | stable? |
| [05:14:11] | jya: | I still get occasional lock up |
| [05:14:17] | elmojo: | yuck |
| [05:14:22] | jya: | but with 180.60, I get heaps more opengl crashes |
| [05:14:43] | elmojo: | which card are you using? |
| [05:14:47] | jya: | like you play mythmusic with some of the libvisual animation, it will crash a lot |
| [05:14:52] | jya: | 8600GT and 9400GT |
| [05:15:25] | jya: | with 180.60 ; starting mythtv 0.22 , 4 times out of 5, it will crash at startup, but after that it's rock solid |
| [05:15:43] | jya: | with 190.42 it starts instantly, but occasionally locks up with vdpau playback |
| [05:15:48] | elmojo: | I got a PCI 9400GT running 180.60 |
| [05:16:21] | elmojo: | how much memory? |
| [05:16:32] | jya: | if it works fine for you keep it, 190.42 is a bit more resilient to stream corruption |
| [05:16:41] | jya: | 512MB on both card |
| [05:16:54] | jya: | but I used to have a 8600GT with 256MB, was working fine with 0.21-fixes and vdpau |
| [05:17:13] | jya: | so unfortunately, no perfect solution with nvidia |
| [05:17:23] | elmojo: | I seem to have rare issues but nothing like you've experienced |
| [05:17:31] | jya: | I'm running 190.42 right now, because I like mythtv to start right away |
| [05:17:45] | elmojo: | don't blame you |
| [05:17:59] | jya: | not get segfault in libgl like I get in 180.60 |
| [05:18:29] | jya: | I've also noticed with 190.42, that sometimes, but not always, I get tearing |
| [05:18:53] | elmojo: | I just installed MythTV on my notebook which has a Quadro NVS 135M with 256 MB and 190.42 locked X up repeatedly |
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| [05:19:38] | elmojo: | 180.60 seems much better but I had to ditch OpenGL and switch to Qt painter or the OSD wouldn't paint |
| [05:20:30] | elmojo: | actually with 180.60 some subtle tearing will occur on rare occasions but restarting playback usually clears it up |
| [05:21:41] | elmojo: | anyways thanks for the info... I was curious since I'd heard about your battles with Nvidia drivers |
| [05:22:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why the scheduler is failing on thursdays |
| [05:22:26] | wagnerrp: | im recording from three channels, and i have three tuners |
| [05:22:40] | wagnerrp: | but im getting conflicts |
| [05:24:58] | wagnerrp: | will mythtv not schedule a second tuner if there already is one on the mutiplex? |
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| [05:26:41] | elmojo: | jya: one more thing to note... I did read recently one of the Nvidia devs say to not enable UseEvents which for the longest time was necessary for performance reasons |
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| [05:27:40] | jya: | UseEvent in 185.xx does nothing |
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| [05:27:52] | jya: | in 190.xx it makes your system crawls |
| [05:28:10] | jya: | so the answer from nvidia is not use it, because at best it does nothing |
| [05:29:39] | ** wagnerrp considers additional tuners... ** | |
| [05:29:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you record everything, how many did you end up needing? |
| [05:30:41] | sphery: | I have 4, but I'm getting a couple of conflicts a week |
| [05:30:52] | sphery: | Trauma being one (but not a problem since it was cancelled :) |
| [05:31:16] | psm321: | how would i go about figuring out why a tuner is unavailable? (i just added a slave backend for the first time... its registered with the master i think, but all its tuners are showing unavailable) |
| [05:31:17] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if bumping up additional virtuals would help things |
| [05:32:10] | psm321: | hmm |
| [05:32:13] | psm321: | 2009-11–13 00:30:42.625 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 7 |
| [05:32:23] | psm321: | thats from the master backend |
| [05:36:15] | psm321: | hmm n/m i think i figured it out (maybe) |
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| [05:40:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm not using multirec/virtual tuners--but it won't help with any of my conflicts |
| [05:44:53] | working_chump: | Hello all. I have a strange case since upgrading to Mythbuntu Karmic last week. The mythtv internal player cannot detect sound in tv recorded from one of my tuners (HAP 1600). It works fine live but sound is not detected after recording is completed. VLC is able to play it the final MPG (reports codec as mpga) but mplayer and xine cannot find sound. Any ideas on where to start trouble shooting? |
| [05:50:00] | psm321: | i'll just say this in case someone is searching the logs later... my problem was that i failed to read directions and added the new backend (and thus the new tuners) while the master backend was running |
| [05:52:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well thats the thing, i shouldnt have any conflicts, they should be taken care of by multirec |
| [05:55:13] | psm321: | so for OTA digital, am i supposed to let schedulesdirect fill in my channels, or do a channel scan and then mythfilldatabase will tie it to the write datadirect id? |
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| [05:56:06] | wagnerrp: | for OTA digital, you must do a manual scan |
| [05:56:32] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will try to match up named channels as best it can, but you will likely have to fill in some XMLTV IDs yourself |
| [05:57:12] | psm321: | thanks |
| [05:58:07] | psm321: | and then --remove-new-channels? (i'm doing that anyways for caching on comcast) |
| [05:58:50] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will never (and can never) add new channels to a digital lineup |
| [05:59:48] | psm321: | ok cool :) |
| [05:59:51] | wagnerrp: | only reason to use --remove-new-channels is when you dont have control over the list of what channels your listings provider gives you for an analog lineup |
| [06:00:52] | psm321: | k thanks |
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| [06:13:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i had mentioned that trying to commercial clip on a machine marginally capable of decoding was painful |
| [06:13:25] | wagnerrp: | turns out that has nothing to do with it |
| [06:13:47] | sphery: | drive problems? |
| [06:13:49] | wagnerrp: | its equally slow on CPU or VDPAU |
| [06:13:52] | wagnerrp: | its the network |
| [06:13:55] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [06:27:33] | psm321: | when mythfilldatabase fetches from schedulesdirect, it gets data for all sd lineups? |
| [06:28:24] | psm321: | i get "This DataDirect listings source is shared by 4 MythTV lineups" even though 3 of mine are one sd lineup and the fourth is a different sd lineup |
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| [06:35:47] | wagnerrp: | cats sublimate |
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| [06:43:37] | psm321: | wagnerrp: it picked up all my channels :) |
| [06:43:58] | psm321: | now i just need to figure out why my channel scan didnt find all the channels that my previous install on that box had |
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| [06:55:50] | sphery: | psm321: it's just telling you that it will cache the data after download so that it doesn't end up downloading the same data 3 time |
| [06:56:09] | sphery: | probably says, "We should use cached data for this one," after that |
| [06:56:24] | sphery: | or "We should keep data around after this one" |
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| [07:35:07] | Despo: | Hi all! |
| [07:35:47] | Despo: | What is the minimum kernel version to use if i whant to install MythTv 0.22? |
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| [07:37:38] | sphery: | Despo: You should be good with any (reasonable) kernel version that has support for your desired hardware (including TV capture card and, likely, video card drivers--assuming you use proprietary drivers) |
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| [07:42:31] | wagnerrp: | mmm... |
| [07:42:41] | ** wagnerrp watches mythcommflag run at 200MB/s ** | |
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| [07:48:16] | wagnerrp: | hopefully zfs gets fixed in freebsd 8 |
| [07:48:39] | wagnerrp: | under 7.2, the ARC gets filled up and then it runs like a dog until a reboot |
| [07:49:02] | wagnerrp: | functionally limiting me to about a month of uptime on my file server |
| [07:49:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I left an in for you and the Python bindings on the thread [mythtv-users] Changing channels online via webpage |
| [07:50:25] | wagnerrp: | cant mythweb already do that? |
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| [07:50:47] | wagnerrp: | i mean it has remote control through the telnet socket |
| [07:50:52] | wagnerrp: | nothing more i can provide than that |
| [07:50:55] | sphery: | he's trying to change his STB channel through a web page |
| [07:51:03] | sphery: | without an IR blaster/firewire |
| [07:51:51] | sphery: | basically the external channel change script gets myth's chanid and he needs to use it to get the starttime and title of the show |
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| [07:52:21] | sphery: | where I'm sure he can figure out "starttime closest to now"--so just needs the listings for the channel |
| [07:52:45] | sphery: | I recommended MythXML's GetProgramGuide, but didn't know if you had something in the bindings for that |
| [07:52:58] | Desp75: | Is it possible to mythtv backend on ubuntu 8.04 LTS? |
| [07:53:11] | wagnerrp: | ive not touched anything mythxml |
| [07:53:25] | wagnerrp: | you can pull a programinfo structure over the backend |
| [07:53:41] | wagnerrp: | or you can pull the guide data from a channel from the database |
| [07:54:15] | sphery: | yeah, I meant "something in the bindings" being some way to get guide data through the bindings |
| [07:54:49] | sphery: | Despo: should work fine, but you may be limited in how new a version of Myth you can use based on what packages they have available |
| [07:55:51] | sphery: | Despo: keeping it in here... I don't know details |
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| [07:56:36] | sphery: | Despo: might want to try in #mythbuntu or in here when some *buntu users are around |
| [07:56:49] | Desp75: | Ok... I used to run mythubuntu 9.04 but upgraded it to 9.10... Witch messed up my loopback adapter... |
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| [07:58:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: when you call the channel changer, has the recording already started? |
| [07:59:25] | wagnerrp: | i mean can i do a 'QUERY_RECORDER <n>[]:[]GET_CURRENT_RECORDING'? |
| [07:59:49] | wagnerrp: | then the follow up to that would be can i get the recorder index from the channel change script? |
| [07:59:53] | Desp75: | well its a kernel issue.. It seems like kernel 2.6.31 has some changes in how the dvb card is accessed... |
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| [08:00:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: don't know if it's there yet--still changing the channel |
| [08:00:40] | Desp75: | well its a kernel issue.. It seems like kernel 2.6.31 has some changes in how the dvb card is accessed... |
| [08:01:03] | wagnerrp: | i mean if you *could* do that, it would by far be the easiest route |
| [08:02:18] | sphery: | to get the card in use, you'd have to set a command-line arg or different channel change script per capture card and then the script would have it available |
| [08:03:02] | wagnerrp: | well that could be done easily enough |
| [08:03:08] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [08:03:21] | wagnerrp: | since you would need to do that for multiple STBs anyway |
| [08:03:25] | sphery: | but I don't know when the recording becomes official |
| [08:03:48] | sphery: | i.e. might not be a current recording until after the recorder starts |
| [08:04:14] | sphery: | would be worth a try if you feel like explaining it to him |
| [08:04:16] | wagnerrp: | well if the recording *has* started, its one simple call to get all the data you need |
| [08:04:34] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, there is a canned query that gets one day of guide data from a channel |
| [08:04:40] | wagnerrp: | but it takes a couple seconds to run |
| [08:04:50] | wagnerrp: | and then you still have to search through to find the proper time |
| [08:04:55] | sphery: | the mythxml one might be quicker, then |
| [08:04:59] | sphery: | it allows you to specify a range |
| [08:05:13] | Desp75: | sphery: well its a kernel issue.. It seems like kernel 2.6.31 has some changes in how the dvb card is accessed... |
| [08:05:19] | sphery: | (of time) and allows you to specify a chanid and number of channels |
| [08:05:31] | wagnerrp: | well could direct sql, its just the canned query uses a full day as the range |
| [08:05:38] | sphery: | Desp75: I really don't know anything about *buntu |
| [08:06:03] | Desp75: | Ok.. Thanks anyway... |
| [08:06:08] | sphery: | good luck with it |
| [08:06:12] | sphery: | I wish I could help |
| [08:06:13] | Desp75: | ty! |
| [08:06:41] | sphery: | the mythxml approach is probably better than his using direct xml |
| [08:06:55] | Desp75: | sphery: what distro are you running? |
| [08:06:58] | sphery: | (if it's hidden in the bindings, it's not such a big deal) |
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| [08:07:14] | sphery: | Desp75: I'm not a good person to ask that question |
| [08:07:21] | sphery: | I'm using the worst possible distro for MythTV |
| [08:07:30] | sphery: | that's as much as I'll tell you |
| [08:08:26] | sphery: | (and my distro is going to cost me a couple weeks of my time for an upgrade starting sometime after I receive a PSU for a replacement computer tomorrow) |
| [08:08:42] | Desp75: | Ok |
| [08:08:50] | ivor: | sphery: worst possible disto... sounds intriguing. |
| [08:08:59] | sphery: | it's /very/ true, too |
| [08:09:01] | Desp75: | Do i need QT4 to run the 0.22 backend? |
| [08:09:07] | sphery: | yes |
| [08:09:16] | Desp75: | :( |
| [08:09:19] | sphery: | 0.22 and above are Qt4 and 0.21-fixes and below are Qt3 |
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| [08:09:43] | sphery: | hey, but no worries, I've been busy patching Qt4 to make it work almost as well as Qt3 did :) |
| [08:09:59] | Desp75: | Ok so i need a distro with kernel <= 2.6.30 and QT4 |
| [08:10:54] | sphery: | might also want to talk to some other *buntu users to see if they know of a workaround or fix for the issue you get with newer kernels |
| [08:11:16] | Desp75: | Been looking at forums with no luck... |
| [08:11:58] | Desp75: | Well... I have to work now.. thanks for the help! |
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| [08:13:01] | ivor: | sphery: so whats the distro then.... |
| [08:13:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [08:13:20] | sphery: | I build my own from source. |
| [08:13:37] | ivor: | aha. high five. me too. |
| [08:13:41] | sphery: | in 1999 it was Linux From Scratch, but I decided they didn't do it right, so it's diverged wildly |
| [08:14:21] | sphery: | I really believe it's a huge waste of time, but I'm obsessive enough that I'd rather waste the time than settle for a distro that doesn't do everything the way I want it. |
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| [08:16:55] | wagnerrp: | and they call us gentoo'ers mad |
| [08:16:59] | ivor: | sphery: do you do any of the "package" management techniques? |
| [08:17:16] | sphery: | only the "in my own head" one |
| [08:18:26] | ivor: | yeah, wondered about trying something like the new group for each package.. but just keep sources directory with original tarballs instead to keep track. |
| [08:18:29] | wagnerrp: | i think i should go to bed |
| [08:18:33] | sphery: | I have an XML file with all the info about all the packages I install with name/version/homepage/download location/license/comments/commands used to install it and order of installation |
| [08:18:37] | sphery: | all done by hand |
| [08:18:42] | wagnerrp: | ive got to be at work to show one of the new faculty around in 6 hours |
| [08:18:43] | justdave: | ooh, mythbrowser actually does flash in 0.22. nice. |
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| [08:18:59] | sphery: | put it in xml figuring I could create a nice UI for it--but I still use vi as the UI :) |
| [08:19:09] | ivor: | sphery: I used jhalfs to bootstrap the last build I did then manual from there on. seemed to work pretty well. |
| [08:19:38] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [08:19:52] | sphery: | yeah, mine is very different from LFS, anymore |
| [08:19:56] | sphery: | even the base |
| [08:20:00] | ivor: | saved a lot of time from the first one I did. and the main lfs is pretty straightforward |
| [08:20:40] | ivor: | all good fun on a rainy day. :) |
| [08:20:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [08:21:27] | ivor: | on the other hand I disagree its the worst distro for myth. :) at least you know what versions of everything you've got without any distro oddities. |
| [08:21:56] | wagnerrp: | can you call it a distro? |
| [08:22:08] | ivor: | sure. |
| [08:22:22] | sphery: | the downside is the time it takes and knowing that switching to an "every man" distro would lose all the customization and intimate understanding of your own system that you've grown accustomed to |
| [08:22:22] | ivor: | I can call it anything I want. :P |
| [08:24:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: plus you end up intimately knowing those 'every man' distros anyway, with all the support you give out |
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| [08:24:46] | sphery: | I will admit that LFS users generally blame themselves when things don't work; whereas, another "build it yourself" distro's users tend to blame everyone/everything except themselves--and many of them have no qualms about flipping switches they don't understand |
| [08:25:25] | sphery: | not all users of that distro, but the vast majority of them--the 95% who shouldn't be using that distro |
| [08:25:30] | ivor: | -funrollloops FTW! |
| [08:25:31] | justdave: | how does one type in a text field in mythbrowser? most of the myth interface, you tab into a field and hit select and it pops up a keyboard |
| [08:25:42] | justdave: | doesn't seem to work in mb |
| [08:25:52] | wagnerrp: | should be whatever your 'select' key binding is |
| [08:26:00] | sphery: | I like the strawberry -funrollloops best |
| [08:26:12] | sphery: | and the ones with jokes printed on them |
| [08:26:19] | wagnerrp: | man, i havent had fruit rollups in so long |
| [08:26:22] | justdave: | I tried youtube first, it's the search box on youtube. |
| [08:26:27] | justdave: | maybe their autocomplete is screwing with it |
| [08:26:31] | wagnerrp: | what was that off-brand kind of like them? |
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| [08:26:41] | wagnerrp: | but that tasted disgusting |
| [08:26:51] | justdave: | if I type on the keyboard, it works, as long as it's not a key bound to a remote button |
| [08:27:36] | sphery: | justdave: I may have been doing things wrong--as I never used MythBrowser until about 2 months ago--but when I did, I saw http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7363 |
| [08:28:56] | justdave: | ah, nice. |
| [08:28:57] | sphery: | in other words, I've never seen it work in my life, so I don't know that I was attempting to use it properly |
| [08:29:30] | wagnerrp: | man... it takes so long to check the commflags on two dozen recordings, i should just download them |
| [08:29:30] | justdave: | oh well, only have a couple sites that are useful on a TV anyway, I'll just keep using my Prism apps for those for the time being. |
| [08:29:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the sunkist ones? I liked those--they were more like fruit instead of like candy |
| [08:30:09] | wagnerrp: | it i wanted to eat fruit, i would eat fruit |
| [08:30:22] | wagnerrp: | you were eating a fruit roll up because it was half sugar |
| [08:30:36] | sphery: | I liked it for the texture |
| [08:30:45] | justdave: | bluetooth keyboards for the win |
| [08:30:50] | sphery: | (and funny enough, I last had a fruit rollup yesterday :) |
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| [08:31:11] | wagnerrp: | although i wouldnt bother pealing the crap out |
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| [08:31:21] | wagnerrp: | i would just roll it into a ball, and suck on it for a half hour or so |
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| [09:32:44] | oobe: | im trying to setup mythtv on slackware but it has mysql 5.1 installed will this still work if so do i have to do anything special |
| [09:33:09] | oobe: | i tried restoring my database and starting the backend but it says it cant connect |
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| [09:33:33] | mchou: | myth with mysql 5.x works |
| [09:33:57] | mchou: | if you're having trouble it aint due to the SW |
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| [09:52:20] | justinh: | hostname changed? ip changed? |
| [09:53:41] | justinh: | oobe: hostname changed? ip changed? |
| [09:54:03] | oobe: | no but i think it could be the password i only created the user mythtv |
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| [09:54:30] | oobe: | mythbuntu auto magics it all for me and i havent used slackware for years |
| [09:54:41] | justinh: | hrm now how would somebody go about checking mysql login credentials? hmmmmmmm.... |
| [09:54:45] | oobe: | i installed slackware current today and im happy with it |
| [09:54:59] | oobe: | justdave, good point im tired |
| [09:55:04] | oobe: | i mean justinh |
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| [10:06:06] | oobe: | mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv-passwd mythconverg works |
| [10:06:19] | oobe: | so i guess it must be somthing else |
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| [10:09:02] | ** justdave is tired, too ** | |
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| [10:14:37] | grokky: | Mmm. Enabling jya's auto refresh rate support results in long delays exiting playback – of anything. |
| [10:14:48] | grokky: | I suspect I'm special. |
| [10:17:21] | justinh: | hmm. just thought, since this theme is by me for me, why even bother having icons for stuff I don't need to know about? Like subtitles & junk. Heh |
| [10:20:57] | justinh: | ah sod it. I can't be arsed with this anymore |
| [10:22:03] | ivor: | justinh: heh. in friday mood? |
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| [10:23:22] | dustybin: | justinh: if you make a theme only for you, that means nobody will complain / give you hassle, surely that would be boring? |
| [10:23:35] | justinh: | dustybin: **** off |
| [10:23:43] | dustybin: | :D |
| [10:24:26] | justinh: | dustybin: when you actually have something to offer the community other than your pointless aunting ramblings be sure to let me know |
| [10:24:40] | dustybin: | i think themes should have 2 versions, 1 version designed for low res CRT, and one for hi-res |
| [10:24:50] | dustybin: | i always have font problems with most themes |
| [10:24:50] | justinh: | I think you should go back o my list |
| [10:25:11] | dustybin: | justinh: i am in the process of building a theme |
| [10:25:37] | justinh: | inkscape is bloody useless at defining absolute sizes |
| [10:25:45] | justinh: | drawing one fricking icon is taking forever |
| [10:26:07] | dustybin: | http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/ |
| [10:26:11] | justinh: | edit a dimension to make it 50 pixels. ooh look it's now 50.234567 pixels |
| [10:26:50] | justinh: | nevermind that though, see how many cool effects inkscape has. Wooooo! |
| [10:27:10] | justinh: | doesn't matter if the image is the wrong size when it's all effected |
| [10:27:19] | justinh: | bloody open source |
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| [10:27:43] | justinh: | dustybin: yeah like I can afford Illustrator. Tosser |
| [10:27:54] | dustybin: | justinh: i can't afford it either |
| [10:28:03] | ** justinh reports dustybin to FACT ** | |
| [10:28:07] | dustybin: | :D |
| [10:29:12] | justinh: | as for having 2 versions of a theme.. if your setup isn't retarded it should just scale properly. If your DPI is set right etc |
| [10:29:42] | justinh: | never had any problems with 16:9 themes on a 4:3 resolution for 16:9 TV cos I set my DPI right |
| [10:30:06] | dustybin: | i use a 720x576 modeline, im not sure what my DPI is, ill check my xorg, at the moment i need to manually edit the OSD theme to reduce font size |
| [10:30:30] | dustybin: | i use a 16:9 crt |
| [10:30:52] | dustybin: | a lot of text ends in blah blah blah... |
| [10:31:13] | justinh: | anyway I'm developing the theme on a linux box. illustrator was dog slow enough on windows last time I tried it |
| [10:31:34] | dustybin: | Option "DPI" "100 x 100" |
| [10:31:47] | justinh: | that's wrong then |
| [10:31:56] | justinh: | you need to tune it |
| [10:32:20] | jya: | grokky: when you exit playback, it returns to the resolution you've set for the GUI... auto refresh doesn't change anything there... |
| [10:32:28] | dustybin: | jeeze i been using that setting for years, i sure i read somewhere that was correct |
| [10:32:50] | justinh: | dustybin: yeah it's right when the aspect ratio matches the display aspect ratio |
| [10:32:57] | justinh: | (of X) |
| [10:33:51] | justinh: | ach to hell with it. I'll just port glass-wide to mythui |
| [10:34:06] | justinh: | all this freedom to lay stuff out differently is all well & good but... |
| [10:34:18] | dustybin: | justinh: if you need any help with vectors, send me the artwork |
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| [10:39:13] | grokky: | jya: you may be right. My apologies. I just changed my rates back to manual config and its still doing it. It must have been another change I made around the same time. |
| [10:39:44] | jya: | yes, the code for auto-refresh is only used when you start playback |
| [10:39:48] | jya: | not when you leave |
| [10:39:57] | grokky: | which included moving from a trunk version a few weeks back to 0.22-fixes and messing with my lirc config. possibly something else, |
| [10:40:02] | grokky: | I was a bit tipsy when I did it. |
| [10:40:18] | grokky: | and know I'm a bit tired. Been up since 5am. |
| [10:40:23] | Dibblah: | Drunken upgrade fever. Always a good start. ;) |
| [10:41:07] | grokky: | I was drinking beer to counteract the heat. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :) |
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| [11:01:33] | pak0: | i dont remember what i have to do for the famous error: you should have received a channel lock by now. |
| [11:01:51] | pak0: | if i change the input works, but i think i have all time one input locked or something |
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| [11:12:05] | dustybin: | i never knew about this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size |
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| [12:42:36] | justinh: | wow I can see why Defying Gravity was canned |
| [12:42:56] | gbee: | except it wasn't |
| [12:43:31] | justinh: | it wasn't? |
| [12:43:35] | gbee: | nope |
| [12:44:09] | dustybin: | justinh: what DisplaySize / DPI setting do you use in your xorg.conf, i'm sure you have a similar setup to mine |
| [12:44:16] | gbee: | it was a short series by US standards and they decided to split it into two parts – viewers in the US were apparently so confused by this that they assumed it had been cancelled |
| [12:44:31] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:44:50] | justinh: | dustybin: bear in mind that nvidia drivers ignore DISPLAYSIZE these days |
| [12:45:16] | dustybin: | justinh: does that mean you use OPTIONS "DPI" instead? |
| [12:45:27] | justinh: | no, I have Intel |
| [12:45:32] | dustybin: | ok |
| [12:45:41] | justinh: | <font name="infoyellow" from="info"> |
| [12:45:41] | justinh: | <color>#FFFF00</color> |
| [12:45:44] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:45:50] | dustybin: | no matter what DPI setting i put in, nothing seems to happen |
| [12:46:02] | justinh: | DisplaySize 400 225 |
| [12:46:08] | justinh: | that's what's in my xorg.conf ^^ |
| [12:46:22] | dustybin: | same goes with DisplaySize, nothing happens |
| [12:46:33] | gbee: | on the one hand I could easily criticise DG, but part of my really likes it too, the plotting/scripting (ignoring the melodrama) isn't nearly as bad as most 'popular' US sci-fi |
| [12:46:42] | gbee: | and it looks spectacular in HD :p |
| [12:46:49] | justinh: | and because the intel driver refuses to run at 720x576 for some inexplicable reason I'm forced to use 800x600 |
| [12:47:02] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [12:47:18] | justinh: | gbee: I've got through the first 2 episodes ok. It's no FlashForward. By that I mean it's providing me with a reason to watch more |
| [12:47:26] | dustybin: | looks like im stuck with fonts what dont scale |
| [12:47:38] | justinh: | FlashForward SUCKS |
| [12:48:26] | justinh: | my wife's been watching that 'Collision' effort on ITV. I've been dipping in. Interesting premise but it flashes all over the place |
| [12:48:26] | gbee: | I've not even started watching FlashForward, the few seconds I have seen don't really draw me in either |
| [12:49:02] | gbee: | perhaps unfairly I decided no to record Collision because it was on ITV1 |
| [12:49:03] | ivor: | justinh: I watched 5 minutes of collision. decided it was dire. |
| [12:49:05] | gbee: | not |
| [12:49:39] | justinh: | gbee: it's not bad for ITV but that ain't saying all that much |
| [12:50:12] | justinh: | ivor: not even worth enduring when it's aitch dee? lol |
| [12:50:35] | ivor: | only reason I gave it 5 minutes. :) |
| [12:50:40] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:51:03] | justinh: | it's too transparent. Like all ITV drama output |
| [12:51:36] | gbee: | perhaps it's nothing new and it's just my imagination, but aren't these media-types at the BBC/ITV etc all getting much worse? |
| [12:51:49] | justinh: | FF has me gagging to know wth the 'experiment' angle is but they |
| [12:51:52] | gbee: | Did anyone happen to see Points of View last week? |
| [12:51:57] | justinh: | won't let it out. |
| [12:52:07] | justinh: | nope. must be on iPlayer |
| [12:52:51] | justinh: | ugh. Jeremy Whine presents it now? :-( |
| [12:53:27] | gbee: | the head of HD and BBC Drama are so far detached from reality it's just impossible to believe |
| [12:53:34] | ** justinh whacks pulseaudio ** | |
| [12:54:38] | justinh: | ruh? still no sound. hrm |
| [12:54:42] | gbee: | to hear them try and defend their choices, they are even more deluded than the Prime Minister |
| [12:55:12] | justinh: | if they stop chasing ratings they'll have my unending support for the license fee |
| [12:55:46] | gbee: | "reducing the bitrate of BBC HD (by 40%) had no effect on quality" |
| [12:55:57] | justinh: | okay what magical incantation am I missing to get audio in flash video players? |
| [12:56:23] | gbee: | "HD isn't about sharp pictures" |
| [12:57:18] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:57:26] | gbee: | and as for the Drama guy, who defends spending 40% of the drama budget on Soaps ... |
| [12:57:55] | gbee: | justinh: which flash plugin are you using official or open source? |
| [12:58:03] | justinh: | official AFAIK |
| [12:58:19] | gbee: | no idea then, you need an Ubuntu bod |
| [12:58:28] | gbee: | just works for me |
| [12:58:52] | gbee: | I'd just check that all the audio outputs are unmuted |
| [12:59:50] | justinh: | I started firefox while mythfrontend was running. maybe that's it |
| [13:00:41] | Dibblah: | You're not running... Pulseaudio, are you? |
| [13:01:18] | gbee: | justinh: it shouldn't |
| [13:01:34] | justinh: | still no audio. it's been working though |
| [13:02:13] | Dibblah: | Again, the default on Ubnut is to run everything through PA. |
| [13:02:26] | Dibblah: | So if PA is paused, which Myth does on startup,... |
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| [13:06:26] | justinh: | nope. restarted it, still the same. no audio from anything |
| [13:09:50] | dustybin: | justinh: check the pulse audio preference file in your /home, there might be dodgy stuff inside it |
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| [13:20:20] | justinh: | sod it. removed pulseaudio |
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| [13:22:19] | dustybin: | i am so close to buything monitor, perfect for creating themes: http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?P . . . c2fa8204f2a0 |
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| [13:23:54] | justinh: | whee. all audio works now. alsa rocks |
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| [13:33:26] | dustybin: | are DPI settings ignored if one uses custom modelines? |
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| [13:43:34] | pak0: | i`m looking all the morning about the error "you should have received a channel lock by now." |
| [13:44:11] | pak0: | i have all working fine, but when i start mythfrontend and go to watch tv, i have this error, i have to swithc to another input and work, but dont work the first input |
| [13:45:28] | ivor: | so the inputs broke. whats connected to it? |
| [13:45:57] | pak0: | the input say_ you should have received a channel lock by now. |
| [13:46:14] | pak0: | is a dvb-t with 2 turners, and one works fine, and the other say all time you should have received a channel lock by now. |
| [13:46:38] | pak0: | i have restart cpu, have the latest firmaware, no more strenght signal problem, and this is the last error i have |
| [13:46:55] | ivor: | one input to a dual tuner card or a card with two inputs |
| [13:48:12] | pak0: | sorry, my english is too low hehe, one input for one dvb-t on pci with two tuners |
| [13:48:27] | pak0: | i say bad the spec |
| [13:48:57] | pak0: | http://www.smithieuk.co.uk/product-catalogue/ . . . rld-pc160-2t |
| [13:48:59] | pak0: | that card |
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| [13:50:53] | ivor: | can you tune on each tuner with tzap? |
| [13:53:55] | pak0: | i can test it, let me see what command i have to use |
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| [13:56:30] | justinh: | isn't that one of those tuners that needs its LNA activated in a modprobe option? |
| [13:57:48] | pak0: | no |
| [13:57:54] | pak0: | uses af9015 firmware |
| [13:58:13] | pak0: | i think no, i only have needed to update to the latest v4l and replaced af9015.fw |
| [14:00:37] | pak0: | i`m learning how to use tzap |
| [14:00:38] | pak0: | wait |
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| [14:11:41] | pak0: | main:2273: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy |
| [14:11:45] | pak0: | googling now :) |
| [14:12:14] | wagnerrp: | something already has it open and locked |
| [14:12:32] | gbee: | heh, shock discovery on BBC News, an iPod + Dock costing £250 doesn't come remotely close to beating a 10–15yr old hi-fi on audio quality |
| [14:13:10] | pak0: | mythbackend is stoped |
| [14:13:24] | dustybin: | at last, i managed to get options "DPI" working with my nvidia card, my i can change the size of the fluxbox fonts, however, my mythtv theme seems to ignore the DPI settings of xorg?! |
| [14:13:43] | gbee: | people have been critical of iPod's audio since day one, hasn't stopped it being the 'must-have' mp3 player |
| [14:13:46] | wagnerrp: | gbee: thats a shock? reviewers have been saying that about the ipods for years |
| [14:13:53] | gbee: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [14:14:44] | gbee: | and you could shout it from the rooftops, the average consumer still wants what their friends have |
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| [14:15:22] | dustybin: | ohhh graphite is ignoring the DPI, mythbuntu theme detects my DPI |
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| [14:16:43] | pak0: | omfg!! |
| [14:17:26] | pak0: | i`m very stupid, please excuseme about that |
| [14:17:50] | gbee: | dustybin: fonts? graphite/Terra use pixel sizes so DPI is irrelevant, the text will always be scaled correctly |
| [14:17:54] | pak0: | my children forgot to shutdown her computer and still all time in locking one adpater on master backend |
| [14:18:07] | pak0: | now all work fine |
| [14:18:27] | pak0: | i have to lock her cpu for automatic shutdown or something =( |
| [14:18:39] | gbee: | the mythbuntu theme uses point size, which is supposed to be scaled irrespective of _system_ DPI but clearly that's not the case? |
| [14:19:20] | wagnerrp: | ooh... i get to go on the hunt for missing files again |
| [14:19:45] | wagnerrp: | my export to mythvideo script usually works |
| [14:19:55] | wagnerrp: | but sometimes, the recordings just.... disappear |
| [14:20:08] | wagnerrp: | i dont know where it puts them, or why it puts them somewhere other than the proper place |
| [14:22:01] | dustybin: | gbee: why do lots of fonts in graphite fall off the edge of the screen? ie. when i hit 'watch tv' it says 'Please W..' intead of 'Please Wait' |
| [14:22:25] | Dibblah: | pak0: There's a timeout on live TV thing, configurable only through the database. |
| [14:22:45] | gbee: | dustybin: what resolution? |
| [14:22:52] | dustybin: | 720 x 576 |
| [14:23:02] | gbee: | easy, that's not 16:9 |
| [14:23:13] | dustybin: | ohhh |
| [14:23:54] | dustybin: | gbee: does that mean i need to use a 4:3 theme? |
| [14:24:27] | wagnerrp: | seems ill have to make a rule for V |
| [14:24:32] | wagnerrp: | ttvdb is not finding them properly |
| [14:24:32] | Dibblah: | You don't have to, no. |
| [14:24:48] | Dibblah: | However, it won't be visually consistent. |
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| [14:24:55] | Dibblah: | As you have seen. |
| [14:25:09] | Dibblah: | I have a similar problem. |
| [14:25:37] | Dibblah: | I have a 1024x768 screen (not really, but that's the res it's running at), but it is widescreen. |
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| [14:25:51] | Dibblah: | Fiddling with DPI doesn't appear to help. |
| [14:25:52] | dustybin: | ok |
| [14:26:05] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I had "V (2009)" added to both tvdb and jamu's example conf file before the first episode. |
| [14:26:09] | gbee: | it's why aspect ratio for a theme (not used for anything in particular) is separate from the resolution in themeinfo.xml |
| [14:26:18] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: It was committed |
| [14:26:31] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: yeah, i havent updated that file in a while |
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| [14:26:59] | wagnerrp: | i have it automatically pulling from ~/.mythtv/ttvdb.conf |
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| [14:27:13] | gbee: | we assume square pixels when scaling etc |
| [14:27:13] | wagnerrp: | might be better to pull it from the example in /usr/share/ |
| [14:27:34] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: The fanart for V is excellent and was just added a week ago. |
| [14:27:42] | gbee: | and we scale for the resolution, not the aspect you happen to be stretching that to |
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| [14:28:46] | gbee: | so who's writing the patch to 'export' recordings to mythvideo? |
| [14:28:57] | wagnerrp: | the patch? |
| [14:29:09] | GreyFoxx: | I thought iamlindoro had someting for that |
| [14:29:18] | GreyFoxx: | or maybe he was working on it |
| [14:29:23] | dustybin: | maybe i should set my res to: 1024 x 576 |
| [14:29:33] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro does/did, but canned it |
| [14:29:47] | wagnerrp: | i have a user job up that ive been using |
| [14:30:34] | wagnerrp: | the expectation is that if the internal rework of video objects goes through, it will be fairly simple to implement in code |
| [14:30:50] | wagnerrp: | and hes waiting for that to do anything |
| [14:32:02] | dustybin: | im now testing blootube 4:3 theme, if i go into the program guide, i can still see lots of fonts ending bleeding off the edge |
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| [14:32:16] | dustybin: | all the channel names are too big |
| [14:32:40] | dustybin: | the top description also bleeds off with '...' |
| [14:33:16] | dustybin: | my res is: 720 x 576, my DPI is 100 x 100 |
| [14:34:12] | dustybin: | maybe im missing proper fonts?! |
| [14:35:15] | ** dustybin installs msttcorefonts ** | |
| [14:35:32] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: i should start adding spaces when i reference your stuff... |
| [14:35:41] | wagnerrp: | no sense alerting you if the problem is through my own fault |
| [14:36:53] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Do not worry multiple times I see a reference to my stuff but find a response is not necessary. |
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| [14:39:19] | mtnbkr: | hello everyone... I am having a problem with a mythtv frontend complaining about different timezones... Both machines are set tot he same timezone and are synced via NTP... Any help here? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1669930 Thanks! |
| [14:42:38] | gbee: | sphery: ^^^ |
| [14:44:36] | ivor: | i guess its because the zoneids dont match. |
| [14:46:07] | Dibblah: | mtnbkr: The offsets match, the zones do not. |
| [14:46:16] | Dibblah: | Change the actual zones. |
| [14:47:20] | mtnbkr: | the zones on both machines (gentoo) are the same /etc/localtime is EST5EDT and system is configured to use EST5EDT (in /etc/conf.d/clock) |
| [14:47:29] | ivor: | no they're not. |
| [14:47:54] | ivor: | one is pointing to 'America/New_York' |
| [14:48:36] | ivor: | or if both links are pointing to the "EST5EDT" file, then the contents of one are wrong |
| [14:49:32] | mtnbkr: | ivor: I just verified that the /etc/localtime file on both machines is a copy of the /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST5EDT file which is why this is confusing. where does mythfrontend get it's timezone info from? |
| [14:49:54] | Dibblah: | Are both Gentoo instances emerged at the same time? |
| [14:50:15] | Dibblah: | ie do the actual files in zoneinfo match? |
| [14:50:45] | mtnbkr: | yeah, just updated mythtv today on the server and client. I am triple checkng the zone files... brb |
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| [14:56:47] | mtnbkr: | /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST5EDT files were same size (not that that really matters) on both machines, but were emereged a slightly different times... I rm'ed the /etc/localtime files on both machines and instead symlinked /etc/localtime to the EST5EDT files and restarted the mythbackend — same issue. Where in the world can the mythfrontend client be getting America/New_York (I never use that zone and always specify EST5EDT) |
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| [14:57:27] | ivor: | whats the $TZ env? |
| [14:58:00] | mtnbkr: | echo $TZ is empty on both machines |
| [14:59:12] | mtnbkr: | TZ="EST5EDT" mythfrontend fixes problem... client starts and works |
| [14:59:23] | justinh: | ok I've officially had it with inkscape |
| [14:59:41] | mtnbkr: | still wonder where mythfrontend is getting America/New_york though |
| [15:00:09] | ivor: | time to start grepping. :) |
| [15:00:16] | justinh: | they added a bunch of effects. whee. did they fix the text font selection? Nope. did they mend the weird parameter randomisation thing?? Nope. grrr |
| [15:00:33] | mtnbkr: | ivor: or strace'ing |
| [15:02:11] | mtnbkr: | AH!! |
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| [15:03:38] | mtnbkr: | I seem to have an old (leftover) /etc/timezone file... THAT is what mythfrontend was looking at. |
| [15:03:53] | justinh: | and why the hell doesn't Gill Sans look like Gill Sans here? |
| [15:04:14] | mtnbkr: | still have no idea how America/New_York would be in there. I never choose chat. :) Thanks everyone... |
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| [15:12:35] | brad2: | hey guys, if i use the following code to connect a signal ( connect(m_sitesList, SIGNAL(itemClicked(MythUIButtonListItem*)),this, SLOT( siteClicked(MythUIButtonListItem*))); ) is there a way I can disconnect that itemClicked signal, and then connect it to something else? |
| [15:14:19] | justinh: | try #mythtv :) |
| [15:14:38] | brad2: | thanks, didn't realize there was another chan :) |
| [15:15:11] | brad2: | how are you doing this morning justin? |
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| [15:25:02] | gbee: | justinh: text font selection seems fixed for me with 0.47 |
| [15:27:39] | gbee: | sphery: any thoughts on just warning when the timezones don't match but the times do? Or going through the frontend and replacing the bits which use the frontend time with the backend time instead? |
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| [15:29:57] | dustybin: | justinh: do you use a widescreen theme on 720 x 576 ? |
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| [15:41:04] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: do you have a widescreen tv? |
| [15:41:20] | justinh: | dustybin: I said I did. I have said on countless occasions |
| [15:41:57] | justinh: | oh wait not 720x576. 800x600 because the stupid intel driver won't allow 720x576 |
| [15:43:05] | ivor: | justinh: tsck. you need a decent driver. |
| [15:44:24] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: I have a widescreen crt, xorg is using a 720x576 modeline, my DPI is 100x100, I am unable to find a 4:3 or widescreen theme what shows fonts properly |
| [15:44:45] | wagnerrp: | if you have a widescreen tv, you should use a widescreen theme |
| [15:44:48] | dustybin: | i am using non-free nvidia driver so i cannot use DisplaySize |
| [15:45:06] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: but my resolution is not widescreen, as gbee pointed out, 720x576 |
| [15:45:07] | justinh: | you can still force non-square pixels though |
| [15:45:14] | dustybin: | ohhh |
| [15:45:16] | dustybin: | i just realised |
| [15:45:24] | dustybin: | you can set 1 res for GUI and 1 for TV |
| [15:46:14] | dustybin: | at the moment i am using 720x576 for both GUI and TV, maybe i should try 1024 x 576 for GUI |
| [15:46:42] | dustybin: | i dont want to move away from 720x576 for TV as that is the broadcast format |
| [15:46:58] | justinh: | makes no odds if you have to deinterlace anyway |
| [15:47:12] | dustybin: | justinh: i dont de-interlace! |
| [15:47:24] | justinh: | eew |
| [15:47:46] | dustybin: | my picture looks like a STB |
| [15:47:55] | justinh: | so how does myth guarantee the field order? |
| [15:48:04] | justinh: | I mean it can't, so it won't |
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| [15:49:29] | dustybin: | i need to first create a new 1024x576 modeline for the GUI |
| [15:50:06] | ** dustybin starts to feel excited ** | |
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| [15:58:07] | jduggan: | excited about? |
| [15:58:14] | iamlindoro: | shiny things |
| [15:58:17] | iamlindoro: | puppies |
| [15:58:24] | iamlindoro: | candy from strangers |
| [15:58:27] | justinh: | ponies! |
| [15:58:34] | iamlindoro: | you know, the normal sort of stuff that excites dustybin |
| [15:59:40] | ** wagnerrp prefers not to consider why ponies 'excite' dustybin ** | |
| [16:01:13] | wagnerrp: | why f-myth-users.... why do insist on replying to threads sans the 'Re: ' |
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| [16:04:31] | justinh: | this inkscape snapping this is retarded |
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| [16:14:37] | sphery: | gbee: we can't just warn if times match and time zones don't because though times are the same now, they won't necessarily be when DST starts or 2 years ago when DST ended or ... I.e. we really don't care what time zone the user is in--only that the master backend and all other backends/frontends agree on what localtime is now and for all times in the past and present. That's why we need to know the time zone ID (from ... |
| [16:14:43] | sphery: | ... zoneinfo) rather than just the time zone name (Eastern Standard Time or British Standard Time or whatever) like we'd get from localtime_r(). |
| [16:15:04] | wagnerrp: | wow... "starting next week, youtube's hd mode will add support for viewing videos in 720p and 1080p" |
| [16:15:41] | wagnerrp: | i shudder to think what 1080p at youtube bitrates would look like |
| [16:16:10] | sphery: | gbee: the real fix is (the task at) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5853 . I can play around with actually setting the time zone from within the app, but didn't want to do that since mythfrontend and mythbackend can spawn other processes that need the same time zone info as the master backend and figured it was best for users to just set up their systems right :) |
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| [16:55:50] | ivor: | aargh. bloody apps that accelerate scrolling after a set time.... just as I'm highlighting to the bit I want... whoooosh. |
| [16:57:27] | gbee: | aye, hate that, someone added it to mythmusic a couple of years ago |
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| [16:58:12] | gbee: | just as you reach the area of the list you wanted you are suddenly 10 pages past it |
| [16:58:32] | ivor: | just took three attempts to highlight |
| [16:58:33] | ivor: | mutter |
| [16:58:57] | iamlindoro: | What's more, I've heard complaints that it's *only* in MythMusic, and that it should be everywhere |
| [16:59:15] | iamlindoro: | Presumably from the people stealing thousands of movies (the same people who need "regular mass metadata updates") |
| [16:59:30] | ivor: | neve mind... I'm in a good mood. it'll take more than that to annoy me. a whole day of hacking yay. |
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| [17:02:30] | justinh: | better filtering >>>> fast scrolling |
| [17:02:38] | gbee: | hey, kicking off thousands of users who pirated games worked well for the XBox, maybe we should consider it for MythTV, as a bit of public service MythVideo wipes any pirated content it finds |
| [17:04:01] | iamlindoro: | It's always annoyed me somewhat, the number of people who claim to need mass metadata handling but to be on the up and up-- every show I care about watching I move to mythvideo, and I have never been inconvenienced in the least by having to pull down metadata for them... and I watch/preserve a fair amount of TV |
| [17:04:27] | justinh: | maybe a lot of people buy preloaded HDDs from ebay |
| [17:04:41] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:05:16] | justinh: | when I first got broadband I was a pipe leech I have to confess |
| [17:05:23] | lotia: | gbee: iamlindoro: with respect. if you look at the the DMCA and how various laws have been written, there is a very blurry line between what is considered pirating and what is considered timeshifting. |
| [17:06:00] | iamlindoro: | lotia: erm, timeshifting is *not* downloading content of the internet |
| [17:06:06] | iamlindoro: | That's "bank account shifting" |
| [17:06:17] | iamlindoro: | as in, the money comes out of someone else's bank account, and you get a movie |
| [17:06:32] | iamlindoro: | also, this is not up for discussion, channel rules |
| [17:06:42] | gbee: | the more people try to justify stealing, the more militant I find I become |
| [17:07:14] | justinh: | there's not much keeping content creators from barring even timeshifting so we all have to be careful |
| [17:07:34] | justinh: | sony vs whoever notwithstanding. that's ancient history now |
| [17:09:09] | lotia: | iamlindoro: i'm certainly not trying to justify it. all i'm trying to suggest is that matters aren't copmletely black and white. |
| [17:09:21] | justinh: | lotia: in here they are |
| [17:09:25] | iamlindoro: | They are to me, and MythVideo is mine, all mine |
| [17:09:52] | iamlindoro: | And it'll parse out nonsense like "-x264" and "DvDRiP" over my colde dead body |
| [17:09:58] | iamlindoro: | s/colde/cold/ |
| [17:10:25] | justinh: | maybe the leeches should man rename :P |
| [17:10:50] | brad3: | ahaha |
| [17:11:00] | gbee: | ten years ago yes, I did download a few mp3s, this was before there were any legal download services and I resented paying £15 for an album with one decent track and 11 tracks of filler, the amount of music I bought legally outweighed that a 3–4x, since legal alternatives have arrived I've deleted/replaced everything I downloaded |
| [17:11:31] | gbee: | IMHO there has never been justification for illegally downloading films or TV series |
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| [17:13:07] | justinh: | if only we didn't have to access online content in a browser here |
| [17:13:52] | justinh: | cable ondemand is ok but.. the STB could do with having at least a 1Ghz CPU for the UI/middleware |
| [17:14:22] | justinh: | though I suspect they're doing a lot of it at the headend because 32MB RAM isn't enough either |
| [17:14:51] | justinh: | ahh IPTV.. whatever happened to that |
| [17:15:12] | gbee: | the thing about Films/TV Series is that in addition to appearing *free* on television (if you have the patience to wait) they can also be bought on DVD, if you don't mind the quality (and those pirating films/tv clearly don't) then the recent wave of legal online browser viewed content is another avenue |
| [17:15:13] | lotia: | paranoia on the part of the content providers and distributors. |
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| [17:15:53] | gbee: | cable ondemand is good if it carries what you want, I've often watched films that way |
| [17:16:08] | justinh: | £3.99 for a film in SDTV quality is a bit steep though |
| [17:16:11] | sphery: | and the quality of DVD is much, much greater than the quality of NTSC/PAL and the quality of HDTV is not /that/ much greater than the quality of DVD |
| [17:16:21] | gbee: | justinh: compared to renting the DVD? |
| [17:16:34] | sphery: | (So, IMHO, DVD quality or better is all good enough) |
| [17:16:43] | lotia: | sphery: i beg to differ. if you have a relativly lightly compressed signal HV destroys DVD. |
| [17:16:47] | Mandingo-Laptop: | hey all i have a question |
| [17:16:53] | Mandingo-Laptop: | im new to myth so |
| [17:16:55] | justinh: | HV? |
| [17:17:00] | lotia: | HD even :) |
| [17:17:05] | gbee: | and it's half the price of watching it in a sticky cinema seat with some idiot's phone ringing |
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| [17:17:15] | Mandingo-Laptop: | installed the latest cx18 for my hvr-1600 |
| [17:17:20] | justinh: | gbee: it should be legal to punch those people |
| [17:17:21] | sphery: | lotia: no, it only adds a little bit of definition... it's better, but the jump from NTSC to DVD was a /much/ bigger jump in quality |
| [17:17:37] | sphery: | where for "DVD" I mean 720x480 progressive scan |
| [17:17:37] | Mandingo-Laptop: | but when i go to watch myth i have a black screen |
| [17:17:42] | justinh: | when I saw DVD I was like Ooooo, it's as good as teevee |
| [17:17:42] | GreyFoxx: | A guy I know literally takes a cellphone jammer to the movies with him. Once the previews start he turns it on :) |
| [17:17:51] | GreyFoxx: | illegal, but he doesn't care :) |
| [17:17:56] | Mandingo-Laptop: | if i hit pause i see a paused image |
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| [17:18:05] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: they should license them & put them in the cinemas |
| [17:18:11] | brad3: | greyfoxx: hahah that is awesome |
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| [17:18:18] | sphery: | I'll admit that 352x240 DVD (especially interlaced) is horrid |
| [17:18:27] | sphery: | and worse than NTSC |
| [17:18:28] | justinh: | 352x240? WTH?! |
| [17:18:30] | lotia: | my work involved uncompressed HD video. and it was pretty jaw dropping. lossy mpeg2 hurts things a lot. |
| [17:18:31] | brad3: | Greyfoxx: Now if they could only invent a "Stupid people talking" jammer |
| [17:18:37] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, fortunately no one uses it |
| [17:18:39] | Mandingo-Laptop: | hit play nothing happens and if i change channel i get 1 sec of video then black |
| [17:18:47] | justinh: | brad3: it's called duct tape |
| [17:18:49] | sphery: | at least, not for legal/commercial DVD's |
| [17:18:52] | GreyFoxx: | brad3: yeah. After he spent 1 moving constantly listening to someone texting and answering calls even after being asked not to he bought it online |
| [17:19:14] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: I agree |
| [17:19:16] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: dealextreme.com ftw :D |
| [17:19:28] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: yeah that's where he got it :) |
| [17:19:31] | sphery: | Mandingo-Laptop: which key for pause/play? |
| [17:19:37] | GreyFoxx: | And I agree, movie theatres should be a cell dead zone |
| [17:19:38] | justinh: | I've been tempted many times |
| [17:19:55] | Mandingo-Laptop: | +sphery the play button |
| [17:20:03] | sphery: | which is mapped to what key |
| [17:20:11] | justinh: | gbee: when we go it tends to be on a wednesday night. hardly anybody in |
| [17:20:14] | Mandingo-Laptop: | pause and play |
| [17:20:19] | sphery: | i.e. could be P or Ctrl+P |
| [17:20:27] | justinh: | Mandingo-Laptop: look in your backend log for clues |
| [17:20:30] | sphery: | pause and play aren't keys |
| [17:20:58] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i get nothing when it starts though |
| [17:21:02] | Mandingo-Laptop: | just a black screen |
| [17:21:13] | sphery: | if nothing happens when you're paused and you hit play, either you have invalid button mappings or you have broken video drivers/card/... |
| [17:21:39] | Mandingo-Laptop: | should i get an image when myth starts |
| [17:21:48] | Mandingo-Laptop: | no live tv |
| [17:21:50] | sphery: | Mandingo-Laptop: on the /keyboard/ (not remote), hit P to pause. Then try hitting P to play. If that doesn't do anything, hit Ctrl+P to play |
| [17:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Mandingo-Laptop: What command are you running |
| [17:21:53] | Dubstar_04: | can anyone help me with uk freeview channels from the winterhill transmitter? |
| [17:21:57] | justinh: | are you just running 'mythtv' ? |
| [17:21:58] | iamlindoro: | are you running "mythtv" |
| [17:22:10] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: see the -users mailing list thread about it |
| [17:22:12] | Mandingo-Laptop: | yes |
| [17:22:16] | Dubstar_04: | I have tried this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 40?page=last |
| [17:22:25] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: I can't believe it's taking you this long to get around to rescanning etc |
| [17:22:27] | iamlindoro: | well there's your problem, you probably want to read the docs ;) |
| [17:22:32] | iamlindoro: | "mythfrontend" |
| [17:22:45] | Dubstar_04: | Ive been trying for a few days |
| [17:22:53] | sphery: | we should really rename the mythtv A/V test program |
| [17:22:59] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: the main BBC mux moved from 754166670 & a whole lot besides |
| [17:23:03] | Dibblah: | It's already done. |
| [17:23:07] | Dibblah: | sphery: |
| [17:23:08] | sphery: | I know... |
| [17:23:12] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [17:23:17] | Mandingo-Laptop: | sorry but im new to myth so if you could bear with me |
| [17:23:24] | sphery: | it was either say that or "We should really make everyone upgrade to 0.22" |
| [17:23:35] | ** Dibblah releases a bear for Mandingo-Laptop ** | |
| [17:23:39] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: in 0.22 I had no joy til I added a mux myself & scanned all muxes via that rather than doing a full scan |
| [17:23:48] | ** justinh beers with Mandingo-Laptop ** | |
| [17:23:53] | Mandingo-Laptop: | the p on the keyboard does the same as the remote |
| [17:24:05] | justinh: | oh *bear*. BAH |
| [17:24:13] | sphery: | Mandingo-Laptop: yeah, you're not the first to do that--it actually makes sense that that's what you would do. So much so that we finally changed the name of that app to mythavtest so that it wouldn't happen anymore. |
| [17:24:16] | iamlindoro: | Mandingo-Laptop: We're saying you're starting the wrong program |
| [17:24:30] | iamlindoro: | (though you may have picked that up by now) |
| [17:24:31] | sphery: | Mandingo-Laptop: yeah, if you start the right program, things will work properly |
| [17:24:38] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: would you mind giving a quick how to? |
| [17:24:38] | Mandingo-Laptop: | no its myth frontend that is started |
| [17:24:47] | justinh: | sphery: good grief. you think the settings revamp thread is long ;-) |
| [17:24:52] | iamlindoro: | not if you're running "mythtv" it's not |
| [17:25:11] | Mandingo-Laptop: | when it startes it says watch tv |
| [17:25:16] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i select that |
| [17:25:23] | iamlindoro: | Ah, then read your backend logs |
| [17:25:25] | Mandingo-Laptop: | then blackscreen |
| [17:25:39] | iamlindoro: | presumably you've run through all of mythtv-setup, and done all the steps |
| [17:25:41] | Mandingo-Laptop: | let me take a look at that |
| [17:25:45] | Mandingo-Laptop: | yes |
| [17:25:48] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: I deleted all my channels. I deleted all transports. I added a new transport which I found the frequency for the main BBC mux. then I went back to the scanner in the channel editor & did a scan of all transports. badabing |
| [17:25:51] | Mandingo-Laptop: | card is seen etc... |
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| [17:26:34] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: I then had to put right all the icons, xmltvids.. make channels invisible.. etc. Was a proper ballache |
| [17:28:26] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: can you remember the frequency off hand? |
| [17:28:39] | Mandingo-Laptop: | just tail the end of the log |
| [17:28:49] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: no but I can find it |
| [17:30:05] | justinh: | 802000000 |
| [17:30:19] | justinh: | allegedly |
| [17:30:35] | sphery: | I'm so disillusioned... I thought with Python you could just do "import ReturnProperExitCode;" |
| [17:30:48] | Dibblah: | Is it sad that I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-1AbKshXw |
| [17:30:56] | Dibblah: | And thought – Wow, beautiful vid. |
| [17:31:00] | justinh: | or maybe 801833000. I think 0.21's scanner believes the tuner driver |
| [17:31:03] | Dubstar_04: | I have tried that, it just fails |
| [17:31:16] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: tell it to ignore the timeout then |
| [17:31:27] | justinh: | and increase the card's tuning delay to 1sec |
| [17:31:29] | Dibblah: | (It's safe for work, unless your boss thinks you're into true geek porn) |
| [17:31:33] | Mandingo-Laptop: | can i post the tail of the log in here |
| [17:32:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:01.718 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 11.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [17:32:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | tony@dcerouter:/var/log/mythtv$ tail mythbackend.log |
| [17:32:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:00.598 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback |
| [17:32:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:00.599 adding: moon58 as a client (events: 0) |
| [17:32:42] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:00.603 TVRec(22): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [17:32:43] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:00.609 TVRec(22): HW Tuner: 22->22 |
| [17:32:45] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:01.716 |
| [17:32:47] | justinh: | oh ffs |
| [17:32:47] | Mandingo-Laptop: | Not ivtv driver?? |
| [17:32:49] | Mandingo-Laptop: | 2009-11–13 12:32:01.718 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 11.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [17:33:02] | justinh: | use a pastebin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [17:33:11] | Mandingo-Laptop: | sorry |
| [17:33:40] | justinh: | when you set the tuner card in mythtv-setup did you change the tuner type from V4L to ivtv mpeg2 encoder? I guess not |
| [17:34:09] | Mandingo-Laptop: | let me check i thought i did |
| [17:34:26] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i selected the pvr 250 |
| [17:34:30] | justinh: | Dibblah: nice video. why do they lift the chip & plop it back down again? |
| [17:34:42] | sphery: | Mandingo-Laptop: post a large bit of the end of the log at http://pastebin.ca/ |
| [17:34:51] | Mandingo-Laptop: | k |
| [17:35:03] | Dibblah: | AFAIK, they don't it's just placed on top of the solder paste. |
| [17:35:19] | Dibblah: | And as the solder paste melts, the flux boils off. |
| [17:35:40] | sphery: | and gets stored in a capacitor |
| [17:36:20] | GreyFoxx: | Is thre a proper way to tell my new ubuntu desktop to use the installed nvidia proprietary drivers or can I just edit xorg.conf ? :) I assume I shouldn't use the nvidia x config tool :) |
| [17:36:57] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: Still no joy, If I do a full scan it finds most of the channels but tells me they are 'conflicting' |
| [17:36:59] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: I think it just *does* when you install it via the driver manager |
| [17:37:15] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: did you delete all the channels? |
| [17:37:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Last time I instlled the nvidia drivers on an ubuntu system, using their package management, I needed to run nvidia-xconfig before they would work |
| [17:37:34] | justinh: | btw I backed up my db first & dumped dtv_multiplex & channel tables separately |
| [17:37:43] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, I installed it via the softwre center app and isn't using it |
| [17:37:47] | Dubstar_04: | justinh: in the channel editor? yes |
| [17:38:03] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: ok, I'll give that a shot. I had just feared it would break some "ubuntu"ism |
| [17:38:29] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: don't think so (not that I noticed, anyway) |
| [17:39:22] | Mandingo-Laptop: | sphery http://pastebin.ca/1670191 |
| [17:39:48] | Mandingo-Laptop: | my card is set as the mpeg-2 pvr-500 |
| [17:40:06] | sphery: | and what card do you actually have? |
| [17:40:14] | Mandingo-Laptop: | hvr-1600 |
| [17:40:29] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i followed the wiki on how to set up |
| [17:40:31] | sphery: | is this 0.21-fixes? |
| [17:40:58] | Mandingo-Laptop: | .21 yes fixes not sure |
| [17:41:30] | sphery: | the "Not ivtv driver??" says something is misconfigured |
| [17:41:44] | sphery: | I don't know whether it's problems loading your ivtv driver or your ivtv firmware or ... |
| [17:42:03] | Mandingo-Laptop: | i did compile the lastest from the site |
| [17:42:08] | Mandingo-Laptop: | cx18 |
| [17:42:10] | sphery: | or maybe you've set up the digital tuner of the HVR-1600 as the ivtv card |
| [17:42:24] | sphery: | and didn't set up the analog tuner? |
| [17:42:32] | Mandingo-Laptop: | no i set both |
| [17:42:37] | sphery: | (or set them both up as PVR-500?) |
| [17:42:45] | sphery: | only the analog tuner should be set as PVR-500 |
| [17:42:54] | Mandingo-Laptop: | that is how it is |
| [17:43:22] | Mandingo-Laptop: | digital is dvb |
| [17:44:45] | sphery: | I don't know what it could be. My best guess is that if it's a problem in Myth, it's the input connections configuration. I'd recommend both the video sources and capture card portions of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 to clean out all the current config and then reconfigure properly |
| [17:45:20] | Mandingo-Laptop: | ok i will try that thanks |
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| [17:46:39] | sphery: | if that doesn't help, I'd look at the non-MythTV HVR-1600 analog configuration... |
| [17:46:48] | sphery: | i.e. make sure it works outside of Myth |
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| [17:52:41] | wagnerrp: | any suggestions on how to bottom align two monitors in Xorg? |
| [17:52:56] | wagnerrp: | so far, im coming up far short with absolute positioning |
| [17:53:25] | Mandingo-Laptop: | sphery ok os myth works fine on the system with the card in it but my other computers no |
| [17:55:05] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i got it working with nvidia metamodes |
| [17:56:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, "coming up short" when aligning monitors... |
| [17:57:18] | ** wagnerrp did not intend any pun, and is now confused ** | |
| [17:57:45] | sphery: | one image shorter than the other... |
| [17:57:46] | sphery: | nvm |
| [17:58:55] | wagnerrp: | this is actually a bit awkward, one monitor twice the size of the one next to it |
| [18:00:48] | gbee: | wagnerrp: in xorg, vs nvidia-settings? |
| [18:01:07] | gbee: | nvidia-settings would be the easy way assuming it's an nvidia card |
| [18:01:22] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-settings still only allows you to top-align monitors |
| [18:02:01] | Josh__: | So I screwed up over remote display and selected spanish (or something) as my default language. What table is taht setitng located to change it back? I can't seem to get it to come back up via GUI. |
| [18:02:10] | wagnerrp: | even after setting an offset in nvidia-settings, it didnt take and i still had to edit the xorg.conf directly |
| [18:02:22] | justinh: | Josh__: mythfrontend --reset |
| [18:02:24] | wagnerrp: | remote display.. like a remote frontend? |
| [18:02:26] | Josh__: | awesome |
| [18:02:35] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, ssh -Y -l username host |
| [18:03:03] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: in that case, its just taking the default settings for that hostname |
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| [18:03:26] | wagnerrp: | unless you did not have a config.xml for that username, and redid the whole mysql setup to generate one |
| [18:04:26] | wagnerrp: | i just noticed something a bit funky with the backend status page |
| [18:04:41] | wagnerrp: | the popup boxes, the blue text is not blue, just transparent |
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| [18:05:00] | wagnerrp: | well... blue when viewed through mythweb anyway |
| [18:05:37] | wagnerrp: | so the if there is text beneath the popup, the popup text appears garbled |
| [18:05:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that is how its actually coded, or just some firefox rendering issue |
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| [18:16:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is mythxml all performed through GET, or would i ever have to generate POST data? |
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| [18:19:01] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you're going to make a lot of people happy with the "direct" settings for MV feature... nice work! |
| [18:19:47] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Thanks... maybe we can get people really on board with it and "go wide" with the idea |
| [18:20:17] | wagnerrp: | direct? |
| [18:20:32] | ** wagnerrp goes to check trac... ** | |
| [18:20:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Nah, #mythtv |
| [18:20:56] | Greek-Boy: | awww man |
| [18:21:09] | Greek-Boy: | /etc/init.d/nfs-common is missing :-( |
| [18:21:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: More or less, in MythVideo, MENU->Settings->All the MythUI'd settings screens as individual options |
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| [18:21:42] | wagnerrp: | ah, right.... remember discussions in the direction previously |
| [18:22:00] | Greek-Boy: | i'm loving .22 |
| [18:28:25] | Josh__: | I'm having an issue loading remote frontends. WIth a fresh DB, if I attempt to load a remote frontend, it attempts to upgrade the MythVideo schema, then times out and lags until the process dies. If I connect with a local frontend, it processes the upgrade successfully and continues on |
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| [18:38:11] | Dubstar_04: | I have managed to get all the channels in a scan but the bbc channels wont work now!! |
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| [18:48:03] | dustybin: | justinh: can you pickup new freeview channel G.O.L.D |
| [18:48:23] | iamlindoro: | sounds like porn |
| [18:48:51] | dustybin: | Television X is porn |
| [18:49:36] | iamlindoro: | also sounds like porn |
| [18:49:55] | wagnerrp: | only one X, must be softcore |
| [18:50:19] | dustybin: | indeed |
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| [18:57:44] | Josh__: | I'm banned from #mythtv ? |
| [18:57:58] | Josh__: | Weird, that's the first time I've tried to enter that channel. |
| [18:58:40] | gbee: | bloody ubuntu, prompted me to install an updated kernel and promptly broke wireless |
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| [18:59:07] | gbee: | time after time it gives me reasons to hate it |
| [18:59:53] | Josh__: | gbee, agreed. |
| [19:00:17] | dustybin: | god knows why people choose ubuntu for a tv server |
| [19:00:34] | Josh__: | gbee, ubuntu prompted me to update to 9.10, and promptly broke most of my lib symlinks. |
| [19:01:01] | gbee: | I never have these problems with Mandriva and that's not fan boy talk, it's just a fact |
| [19:01:16] | dustybin: | I never had those problems with debian |
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| [19:01:43] | gbee: | Mandriva just happens to be my point of reference, I'm sure there are other equally competent distros out there |
| [19:01:44] | pak0: | hi all, good afternoong |
| [19:01:48] | jduggan: | ive just taken it up on its offer to upgrade to karmic |
| [19:01:59] | jduggan: | so lets see how much fun thats going to be |
| [19:02:30] | gbee: | I don't even know where to start with Ubuntu to get back to a working version :( |
| [19:02:51] | pak0: | im looking on documentation, how can i disconnect clients when lock my cards on main mythbackend, or another process such ass xbmc loking my cards |
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| [19:03:24] | pak0: | i have to do it manually or i have to configure something? |
| [19:04:10] | iamlindoro: | pak0: You can't disconnect clients from myth. If some third party frontend is leaving cards in an unusable state, that's something you should speak to them about |
| [19:05:15] | Josh__: | gbee, you're having better luck that me, I've been fighting this thing for the past 2 weeks |
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| [19:06:23] | Josh__: | it seems to work fine with backend/frontend on my laptop |
| [19:06:45] | pak0: | restarting the computer dont solved my problem, or restart mysql or restart mythtv |
| [19:06:59] | Josh__: | but as soon as I try to watch tv from the livingroom HTPC, (laptop still MBE), errors upon errors and eventually the frontend shuts down |
| [19:07:10] | pak0: | i can do anything with phpmyadmin under my db? same as disconnect some clients after x minuts? |
| [19:07:27] | ** gbee really wants a Netbook centric version of Mandriva ** | |
| [19:08:01] | iamlindoro: | pak0: again. No. |
| [19:08:26] | ** jduggan really wants to not have to get a monitor up into the loft to see why this backend didnt reboot =] ** | |
| [19:08:41] | iamlindoro: | Myth relies on the frontends to be compliant. If the frontend is breaking card access, speak to the frontend author(s) |
| [19:08:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: pretty sure it's all GET |
| [19:09:25] | pak0: | i have the same problem with remotes frontends |
| [19:09:35] | pak0: | the best problem is the remote of my children |
| [19:09:49] | pak0: | i hate that cpu hehe |
| [19:10:34] | gbee: | live tv? |
| [19:10:57] | pak0: | yep, under mythfrontend on remote cpu |
| [19:11:14] | pak0: | starts good, but, when he leave from myth, block one card |
| [19:11:15] | gbee: | sphery: where did you expose the idle timer setting? |
| [19:11:29] | wagnerrp: | xbmc cant use tuner cards anyway |
| [19:11:33] | gbee: | leaves? hmm shouldn't be causing a problem |
| [19:11:36] | sphery: | gbee: idle timer? |
| [19:11:41] | sphery: | for the LiveTV? |
| [19:11:44] | justinh: | dustybin: G.O.L.D. is a paid-for channel. And it's junk |
| [19:11:50] | gbee: | yeah, that was you wasn't it? |
| [19:12:06] | sphery: | yeah, it's in TV Playback settings |
| [19:12:29] | sphery: | so mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|TV Playback |
| [19:12:34] | gbee: | sounds like that's not really what pak0 needs anyway, seems he has some sort of driver issue |
| [19:13:00] | sphery: | first screen, it looks like |
| [19:13:37] | justinh: | G.O.L.D. aka Only Fools & Horses channel |
| [19:13:59] | pak0: | hehehe |
| [19:14:09] | ** gbee tries to make something descriptive from the acronym, but fails ** | |
| [19:14:16] | justinh: | btw gbee been making some spanking nice svgs of freeview channel icons :) |
| [19:14:30] | justinh: | better than lyngsat's junk |
| [19:14:37] | pak0: | i dont want to touch more my drivers, just update all and have latest firmware |
| [19:14:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ill add a mythxml class, but im going to keep everything using db calls for now |
| [19:15:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool |
| [19:15:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont see much use in carrying around both just because some of the access can run through the webserver |
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| [19:15:25] | sphery: | right... ideally, the client direct DB access will disappear |
| [19:15:40] | sphery: | though I think--for the sake of everyone's sanity--I'm not going to touch embedded MySQL 'til after 0.23 release |
| [19:15:50] | sphery: | have an easy release after a touch one |
| [19:15:52] | sphery: | tough |
| [19:16:02] | wagnerrp: | well at the moment, everything either calls the DB to find the backend IP/port, or is using more complex access than mythxml affords |
| [19:16:39] | messerting: | Hi, I'm playing around with current svn of release-0-22-fixes, and get this error when trying to configure the plugins: Failure to open file: /usr/local/src/mythtv/release-0-22-fixes/mythplugins/mythgallery/mythgallery//Ma kefile |
| [19:16:51] | messerting: | anyone got a hint to help me out here? |
| [19:17:02] | messerting: | I used "./configure --libdir-name=lib64" |
| [19:17:30] | messerting: | The offending command seems to be "/usr/bin/qmake-qt4 -unix QMAKE=/usr/bin/qmake-qt4 -o Makefile mythgallery.pro" |
| [19:18:19] | messerting: | ai, seems I found it: the Makefile is owned by root... |
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| [19:18:43] | pak0: | changing the ip of master backend should be sufficient for disconnects all people really? |
| [19:19:53] | wagnerrp: | pak0: changing that will do nothing until the program is restarted |
| [19:20:01] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to do specifically |
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| [19:20:41] | pak0: | disconnect all clients, or make free my dvb-t card |
| [19:22:00] | sphery: | pak0: that has nothing to do with myth |
| [19:22:09] | sphery: | if some non-Myth client is using your card, Myth can't use it |
| [19:22:34] | sphery: | if you're saying you don't want Myth to always use your card, enable "Open DVB Cards on Demand" (or whatever the setting is called) on the card configuration |
| [19:22:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want to disconnect clients, you just have to log in and terminate them |
| [19:23:33] | wagnerrp: | if you ever need to use a tuner card outside of myth, you need to let myth know that tuner is no longer available |
| [19:23:56] | wagnerrp: | either by telling the backend directly, or by using an EXECTV entry in the menu xml |
| [19:26:41] | pak0: | but where can i watch the clients connects? |
| [19:27:22] | pak0: | (if you want to disconnect clients, you just have to log in and terminate them) <-- i`m looking for how i do that |
| [19:27:57] | iamlindoro: | pak0: Third time, you cannot log in to anything and terminate client sessions in mythtv |
| [19:28:13] | wagnerrp: | 'ssh <machine>; killall mythfrontend' |
| [19:28:37] | wagnerrp: | but that will not free up tuner cards, unless the frontends are actively in a livetv session on the card |
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| [19:30:11] | pak0: | i have one tuner locked now |
| [19:30:30] | pak0: | i have restarted the other computers and dont solved my problem |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | locked in mythtv? or locked in the DVB API? |
| [19:31:23] | sphery: | ah, ticket #7519 --todays "user support in the bug database" |
| [19:32:46] | justinh: | speaking of icons, does anyone have a clue why mythtv-setup's icon grabber has issues with channel names containing spaces? |
| [19:33:35] | pak0: | when i enter under mythfrontend and select wathc tv i only can select one source, the other is locked |
| [19:34:16] | sphery: | justinh: because it's sorely in need of a complete rewrite |
| [19:34:23] | sphery: | perhaps? |
| [19:35:11] | messerting: | for the record – I cleaned up the tree (ie. took ownership of the files) and everything seems to work as it should. :) |
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| [19:41:58] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, you around? I might have an example of a tv series that's failing with jamu. |
| [19:42:11] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: yes |
| [19:42:30] | mersault: | it's always sunny in philidelphia |
| [19:42:51] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Give me the exact file name and I will try here |
| [19:43:04] | mersault: | "It's Always Sunny In Philadelpia – 1x01 – The Gang Gets Racist.avi" |
| [19:43:16] | mersault: | I've tried it both with and without the apostrophe |
| [19:43:22] | mersault: | I suspect it's an escaping issue |
| [19:43:29] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: ok will give it a try back in a bit |
| [19:44:28] | mersault: | great |
| [19:45:12] | seanius: | i can play sound with mplayer and -ao pulse, but i get nothing from mythtv, anyone have some pointers? |
| [19:47:53] | gbee: | nuke pulse |
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| [19:48:31] | seanius: | one solution, i suppose |
| [19:49:03] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I tried Jamu, ttvdb and looked on TVDB itself and the TV series "It's Always Sunny In Philadelpia" is not found by any of them. As I suspect "Philadelpia" should be "Philadelphia" |
| [19:49:55] | mersault: | heh, sorry to bother you with my typo |
| [19:50:13] | gbee: | I might have a spare tac-nuke in a drawer somewhere |
| [19:50:27] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: It was a bit funny though ;) |
| [19:50:47] | mersault: | as long as you see it that way |
| [19:50:55] | mtnbkr: | Hello everyone... Just upgraded to 0.22 and can not seem to record anything nor watch live tv... I get this this error message on the back-end: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. |
| [19:51:38] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I only caught the issue when messaging you back and see the Philadelphia had a spelling error. |
| [19:52:25] | mersault: | RDV_Linux: I think they should just rename the show to it's always sunny in philly and call it a day |
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| [19:53:28] | mersault: | oh, will it matter if I have the apostrophe in the name? the apostrophe tends to screw up bash auto complete, etc |
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| [19:56:26] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Not with jamu or searching as far as I have seen. Jamu does comparisons by stripping punctuation and forcing lowercase. |
| [19:56:38] | mersault: | great |
| [19:58:15] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: MythVideo has an even better comparison method but Jamu would need users to add an additional python package before it jamu could use that method. |
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| [19:58:32] | seanius: | gbee: gone but still no love. i suspect it's actully an alsa issue as i'm trying to send audio over my hdmi connect |
| [19:58:54] | mersault: | RDV_Linux: what about spinning jamu into it's own package, at least for mythvideo |
| [19:59:08] | mersault: | er, mythbuntu |
| [19:59:35] | gbee: | seanius: ah, have you selected HDMI in the mythtv audio configuration? |
| [20:00:07] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: The future of jamu for 0.23 is questionable and depended on how much of its functionality is absorbed into MythVideo. |
| [20:00:20] | seanius: | gbee: i've tried alsa:hdmi, but i get a "no such file or directory" opening it |
| [20:00:25] | seanius: | hold on i'll get the actual msg |
| [20:01:19] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I am in the process of writing a mcc-jamu plugin for Mythbuntu to allow GUI configuration and control of the cron jobs. |
| [20:01:23] | mersault: | RDV_Linux: ah, understood. I'd love to see more of it in mythvideo proper. no more CLI stuff to make it happen (not that I mind the CLI, but it's not as user friendly) |
| [20:01:58] | seanius: | 2009-11–13 21:01:47.652 AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(hdmi): No such file or directory |
| [20:02:03] | seanius: | 2009-11–13 21:01:47.652 NVP(0): Disabling Audio, reason is: snd_pcm_open(hdmi): No such file or directory |
| [20:02:46] | seanius: | i don't have anything special besides what i got out of the box wrt asoundrc etc |
| [20:03:25] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I had originally only expected Jamu to help users get their metadata fast then MythVideo was to take over for new additions. So I am all for the direction to MythVideo. |
| [20:04:00] | gbee: | hw{0,1 |
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| [20:05:31] | nicholas_: | I've just upgraded to 0.22. find how I can get fanart in the background for Graphite theme in 'watch recordings'. Like this – http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Gallery.html#0 |
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| [20:05:45] | nicholas_: | I mean, "I'm trying to find out how.." :-) |
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| [20:06:58] | wagnerrp: | nicholas_: the theme will automatically try to find any matching fanart from the mythvideo fanart folder/sg |
| [20:07:05] | RDV_Linux: | nicholas_: Check out Jamu and the -MW "Scheduled and Recorded" options, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu |
| [20:07:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont know the exact file syntax its looking for off hand, but as RDV_Linux stated, JAMU will automatically grab it for you |
| [20:07:43] | nicholas_: | ah, no UI in myth-frontend yet |
| [20:08:20] | RDV_Linux: | nicholas_: Specifically wiki section http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Scheduled_and_Recorded |
| [20:08:30] | nicholas_: | many thanks |
| [20:08:33] | nicholas_: | 0.22 really looks great :-) |
| [20:08:46] | iamlindoro: | Or use mythbuntu and they set it all up for you lickity-split :) |
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| [20:09:41] | nicholas_: | heh, I'm pure Debian... |
| [20:09:54] | seanius: | word |
| [20:10:05] | RDV_Linux: | nicholas_: Heed iamlindoro's words as another good option. Also make sure you read the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [20:10:07] | justinh: | meh distro fanboiz |
| [20:10:27] | seanius: | nicholas_: fwiw christian marillat is getting the 0.22 packages setup in debian-multimedia now if you're interested |
| [20:10:39] | nicholas_: | seanius, they are the ones I'm using right now |
| [20:10:42] | nicholas_: | seanius, work great |
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| [20:11:05] | RDV_Linux: | nicholas_: The transition guide will help you understand how to get your directory settings right the first time. |
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| [20:13:28] | seanius: | justinh: i prefer zealot rather than fanboi :) |
| [20:15:01] | wagnerrp: | thats somehow better? |
| [20:15:26] | wagnerrp: | 'fanboi' usually just means theyre an idoit |
| [20:15:33] | wagnerrp: | 'zealot' means theyre completely nuts to boot |
| [20:15:56] | Greek-Boy: | /etc/init.d/nfs-common is missing, i can't get it to install from package. i'm getting pissed off now |
| [20:16:01] | Greek-Boy: | must be some bug |
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| [20:16:15] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: thats a distro thing |
| [20:16:20] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, okay here's another question for you. Futurama was produced in four seasons, but aired in five (and out of order). TVDB lists them in the way Fox aired them, but I've ripped mine from the DVD's, which were released based on the production seasons. |
| [20:16:22] | seanius: | i'd like to think that zealot implies being a bit more informed/knowledgable :) |
| [20:16:34] | wagnerrp: | ask someone who understand your distro why that file does not exist, or what you should be using instead |
| [20:16:37] | mersault: | There's got to be enough futurama fiends that are so mythtv devs that there's a solution to this |
| [20:16:45] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: Yeah I know, I just upgraded to Karmic |
| [20:17:08] | seanius: | Greek-Boy: if you can remove the package and purge it it should fix itself the next time you install it |
| [20:17:27] | wagnerrp: | mersault: thetvdb supports multiple different orderings on the webpage |
| [20:17:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if there is any such capacity within the API |
| [20:18:11] | mersault: | wagnerrp: hey cool, I hadn't noticed those links. very cool. |
| [20:19:33] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, is there a way to specify in the config file that jamu should use the dvd order for a given tv show? |
| [20:20:07] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: No |
| [20:20:44] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Jamu is a slave to the sources TVDB/TMDB |
| [20:20:46] | Greek-Boy: | seanius i tried it, will try again |
| [20:22:16] | wagnerrp: | looks like ttvdb does offer access to the alternate orderings within the API |
| [20:22:25] | wagnerrp: | although i wouldnt know if the library youre using does |
| [20:22:54] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: It does but that information is not always there. |
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| [20:23:51] | wagnerrp: | right, but that could be something done on a per-series basis |
| [20:23:54] | mersault: | is it possible to add it as a series option in the config file? |
| [20:24:02] | wagnerrp: | like the series:seriesid matchings |
| [20:25:40] | wagnerrp: | an idea for a future capability anyway.... mersault could just rename his rips to match |
| [20:25:41] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: It could if you have the time and the skills. For me there are other priorities right now. |
| [20:27:12] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: You may want to mention this case to iamlindoro as her would be the one making the MythVideo metadata changes in 0.23 |
| [20:27:21] | RDV_Linux: | s/her/he/ |
| [20:27:35] | mersault: | will do |
| [20:27:57] | iamlindoro: | It's unlikely I'm going to deal with alternate ordering any time soon |
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| [20:29:53] | iamlindoro: | There are way too many "actually interesting" tasks to work on |
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| [20:30:59] | mersault: | understood. I guess I was hoping it might just be low hanging fruit. |
| [20:31:43] | iamlindoro: | nope, would require a lot of rethinking for little/no return |
| [20:34:35] | justinh: | dah dah dadada. bashin deh iconzzzz yeah |
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| [20:35:04] | justinh: | I should get a job with KDE. my icons don't suck as hard as theirs |
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| [20:37:14] | brad3: | damn xmRadio, why will you not bend to my will?! |
| [20:37:42] | jerkface: | hi, is there a way to mark recordings as watched from the watch recordings screen in 0.22? |
| [20:38:01] | jstgtpaid: | Got a quick question... How does one change the theme from the command line? I can't get into myth because the theme is not working... |
| [20:38:08] | jerkface: | the right arrow used to bring up a menu but now it doesn't |
| [20:38:29] | seanius: | \o/ got sound workin with a small asoundrc tweak |
| [20:38:38] | wagnerrp: | jstgtpaid: '-O Theme=<whatever>' |
| [20:38:56] | wagnerrp: | remember, command line options do not change the option, they are a one-time override |
| [20:39:27] | jstgtpaid: | sorry for the complete ignorance... what is the first part of that command; mythfrontend? |
| [20:39:42] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:40:05] | jerkface: | anyone know? |
| [20:40:11] | jstgtpaid: | Thank you so much! you are awesome! |
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| [20:41:07] | justinh: | jerkface: press INFO, erm.. it's in there somewhere IIRC |
| [20:42:07] | wagnerrp: | why do most terms default to black text on white background? |
| [20:42:15] | wagnerrp: | its absolutely horrible on the eyes |
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| [20:50:17] | Makere: | because white on black is the most readable format |
| [20:50:36] | wagnerrp: | no, its not |
| [20:50:55] | wagnerrp: | evidenced by the fact that it strains the eyes so much |
| [20:51:05] | wagnerrp: | your eyes do not like high contrast such as that |
| [20:52:02] | wagnerrp: | light gray on dark, or dark gray on light is significantly more readable |
| [20:52:22] | wagnerrp: | even white text on black is more readable than black on white |
| [20:52:27] | devinheitmueller: | Gee, have you ever noticed that all the non-unix operating systems that actually care about it being easy on the eyes have chosen the exact opposite – black on white? ;-0 |
| [20:52:54] | wagnerrp: | its never white, its always a light gray |
| [20:53:05] | sphery: | I use Black on LightYellow |
| [20:53:44] | sphery: | in here I have white text on black, though :) |
| [20:53:45] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: sorry, I never did the pantone color calibration for my monitor. :-) |
| [20:53:54] | wagnerrp: | the eye cannot handle white for long periods of time |
| [20:54:30] | sphery: | maybe that's what allows me to stop reading this channel after a while |
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| [22:10:06] | jerkface: | justinh, thanks! |
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| [22:10:12] | messerting: | I've just installed a new harddrive on my combined FE/BE system. It works just fine, but every time i start mythfrontend, it asks for the correct device for the optical drive |
| [22:10:12] | messerting: | and I can't seem to find the setting for it |
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| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | i'm streaming a MKV HD file from backend to frontend over a NFS share and the movie can't be played properly, it starts and stops |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | hmmmm |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | they MKV is on a XFS share |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | oh i forgot, the disk is being scanned for bad sectors. maybe that's the culprit, hope so... |
| [22:10:17] | justinh: | but HD doesn't come in mkv format. wtf |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | it does.. |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | MKV is a better container than AVI for HD Content |
| [22:10:17] | justinh: | no broadcast mkv. no disc content is mkv.. |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | i'm using mythvideo dude |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | its not broadcast |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | so you transcoded a recording, BR/HDDVD rip? |
| [22:10:17] | Wicked: | dont hdpvr's output mkv? |
| [22:10:17] | justinh: | nope |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | it was done by someone else... |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | assuming you did it properly, (didnt run painfully low bitrate), its possible your computer is just too slow |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | 'course it was |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR outputs mpeg2 |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | since it was "done by someone else," we don't support it here |
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| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | (h264 in an mpeg2 container) |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | by the way, my videos are not pirated |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | my friend took from BR to MKV |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | from your BRs? |
| [22:10:17] | sphery: | from his friend's, of course |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | no |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | mine |
| [22:10:17] | Greek-Boy: | i dont have the time to rip |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | so that them back and tell him to do it properly |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | another happy customer, next! |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean, it only takes like an hour or two |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | he's a busy man |
| [22:10:17] | iamlindoro: | busy busy |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | 95% of that time, youre off doing something else |
| [22:10:17] | ** sphery believes that "resource expenditure" is a very important qualifier in fair use ** | |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | you pop in the disk, and copy a single file... nothing more two it |
| [22:10:17] | wagnerrp: | s/two/to/ |
| [22:10:17] | sphery: | i.e. if you're not expending some resource (tons of paper, tons of quarters at the library photo copier, tons of your own time), you're exceeding fair use |
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| [22:10:19] | sphery: | (where "tons of time" in the case of ripping a DVD or BR is relative) |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want, you can spend another 30 seconds to set up mkvmerge to remux into an mkv |
| [22:10:19] | steevc: | My Myth setup has got messed up. Trying to get it working again. Need to set up channels again, but the Video Sources screen is playing up. Managed to tell it what chans I wanted then it went blue and didn't save them |
| [22:10:19] | sphery: | but of course, if you let a friend do it, then you don't both have to buy a copy of AnyDVD HD |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | now youre up to about 1.5 minutes total per rip |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | i wonder if MythVideo supports Blu-ray |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | then i'll buy a bluray reader |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo supports bluray video files just fine |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | So you don't own a blu ray reader, but have disks |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | riiiiiiiiiight |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | lucking fiars |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | but there is neither a useful decryption library, nor a bluray menu library in linux |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: assuming these are properly ripped bluray disks, its very possible you just dont have the hardware to play them back |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: I'll let you know right after the disk utility is done checking the drive for bad sectors |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | that 30–35mbps h264 rapes just about anything short of a quadcore |
| [22:10:19] | Wicked: | VDPAU does wonders though :) |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | the front-end i am trying to use is a acer revo |
| [22:10:19] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: wow, is it really 30–35mbps? 1080i ATSC is only 19.2 and that is MPEG2 (as opposed to h.264) |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: iamlindoro would have more experience with this, but the multi-disk releases generally just have the film on one disk. running 30–40GB for a 2 hour film |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, one disk for the film in every case I've seen-- that's about the right average, with a peak close to 50 |
| [22:10:19] | devinheitmueller: | weird. |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: on the other side, someone who doesnt know what theyre doing with an h264 encoder can make garbage nearly unplayable under VDPAU and other hardware decoders |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | 1080i MKV's are about 8 to 10 GB |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | 720p's are 4 to 6GB |
| [22:10:19] | justinh: | wonder what it was like in the olden days when you needed hardware help to play dvd mpeg2 |
| [22:10:19] | ** wagnerrp admits to rolling out a handful of those from DVD rips ** | |
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| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | see... there you go... doing it wrong |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | Pieces of string are 6–8 inches long |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | why are you transcoding from h264 to h264? |
| [22:10:19] | iamlindoro: | oh wait, I thought we were doing meaningless pieces of information |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | (or vc1) |
| [22:10:19] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: I actually had a dxr3 card. You plugged your video card and monitor into it, and it injected a video overlay of the video. |
| [22:10:19] | wagnerrp: | and why would you spend DAYS transcoding something just so you can drop the resolution and spend more money in electricity than you would in additional hard drive space? |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | well |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | its my friend... |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | i'll speak to him |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | but they look super good... |
| [22:10:19] | Greek-Boy: | almost as good as br |
| [22:10:19] | sphery: | Yay! I have the power |
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| [22:10:24] | sphery: | (supply) |
| [22:10:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: 80+ I presume... ;-) |
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| [22:10:25] | wagnerrp: | youre saving maybe $1.50 in hard drive space by transcoding to the lower size/bitrate |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: of course... |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | and has an 8-pin EPS +12V connector (which none of my others do, but my new mobo needs) |
| [22:10:25] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: My back-end can only store 2TB |
| [22:10:25] | Greek-Boy: | i already have about 50 movies in my br collection and growing... |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | so the 80 PLUS that was in the system whose mobo/CPU/RAM are being replaced (after dying) goes to another system without an 80 PLUS |
| [22:10:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Humm... I haven't seen those yet, but haven't bought a new MB for the last year or two... (I'm due...) |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | waiting on UPS was driving me craxy |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | yeah, it's a mobo that supports 160W CPU's--but I'm using a 65W CPU in it, so I don't need EPS, but... |
| [22:10:25] | wagnerrp: | while its going to cost you close to a dollar in electricity for that 720p transcode, nearly two for the 1080p transcode |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | mobo won't work without it |
| [22:10:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or cost his friend that much |
| [22:10:25] | wagnerrp: | ah yes... the friend |
| [22:10:25] | Greek-Boy: | i'm activation that VDPAU on the acer revo and see how it will run the MKV now |
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| [22:10:26] | benkevan: | What Card are you guys using for HD? I ditched Myth a long time ago due to the lack of overall HD input cards, but they seem to be more plentyful now.. just wanted to know what input devices y'all are using for HD |
| [22:10:26] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners have been around for the last half of the decade |
| [22:10:26] | Wicked: | i think the only real solution for capping hd content is the HDPVR |
| [22:10:26] | wagnerrp: | and have been cheap for several years |
| [22:10:26] | wagnerrp: | however there are still no 'HD cards' |
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| [22:11:13] | benkevan: | Still only the HD-PVR? :( .. damn |
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| [22:11:50] | wagnerrp: | what was the reasoning for making the HDPVR a box, rather than a card? heat output? |
| [22:12:38] | mchou: | cause you can use it on a lappy? |
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| [22:14:15] | sphery: | heh, after waiting a whole week for the new PSU to arrive, I look at it and feel a sense of deja vu... Turns out that the 80 PLUS PSU in /this/ computer has a 4+4 pin EPS +12V cable (but only needs a 4-pin ATX +12V cable)... I could have swapped the PSU in this machine with the PSU from the other machine a week ago... |
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| [22:15:32] | sphery: | I actually looked in there a week ago, but looked for an 8-pin cable--versus checking to see if there was an extra 4-pin connector dangling off the connected 4-pin connector... |
| [22:21:41] | defaultro: | hey mchou, I got a good deal on power supply and casing on Craigslist. I was able to saved about $80-$90. It's going towards i7 :D |
| [22:22:06] | mchou: | linky? |
| [22:22:19] | defaultro: | what linky? |
| [22:22:21] | wagnerrp: | you shouldn't be spending $80-$90 on a power supply for mythtv |
| [22:22:25] | mchou: | what psu? |
| [22:22:32] | defaultro: | no, psu is $25 |
| [22:22:35] | defaultro: | it's with me now |
| [22:23:08] | defaultro: | the total cost was a combination of psu and case I chose in newegg |
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| [22:23:19] | mchou: | defaultro: I'm not even convinced you needed another PSU |
| [22:23:31] | defaultro: | mchou, I need the other machine running too |
| [22:23:42] | mchou: | 5 yr. old PSU probably would have worked just fine |
| [22:23:54] | mchou: | ok, then that's fiar |
| [22:24:00] | defaultro: | that's true but if I get that one, I won't have any for my mythtv anymore |
| [22:24:08] | mchou: | fair* |
| [22:24:09] | defaultro: | yup |
| [22:24:26] | defaultro: | some people in craiglist just wants to get rid of stuff |
| [22:24:33] | defaultro: | I got it brand new |
| [22:24:44] | mchou: | yeah, banned xboxes are going for a song |
| [22:24:49] | defaultro: | :) |
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| [22:25:12] | defaultro: | now, I can't decide if I should order the cpu/mobo now or wait for thanksgiving sale :D |
| [22:25:16] | steevc: | why is my Scan for channels button disabled? |
| [22:25:46] | mchou: | defaultro: you can go to fat wallet and check out some black friday deals already posted |
| [22:25:53] | defaultro: | ah |
| [22:25:55] | defaultro: | going there now |
| [22:26:16] | mchou: | defaultro: I suspect this year black friday is a fizz out |
| [22:26:50] | mchou: | BB has no real B&M competitors left |
| [22:27:07] | mchou: | no need for them to have doorbusters anymore |
| [22:27:34] | mchou: | especially with the stampede death a few years ago |
| [22:28:02] | defaultro: | k |
| [22:28:15] | defaultro: | i think it happened in NY |
| [22:28:18] | defaultro: | Wal-Mart |
| [22:28:25] | mchou: | oh yeah |
| [22:28:34] | defaultro: | here in our area, people aren't wild :D |
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