| Wednesday, November 11th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:11] | wagnerrp: | because you have either not rescanned, or you are not in browse mode |
| [00:00:14] | wagnerrp: | do one of those two |
| [00:00:20] | wagnerrp: | exactly the same as with 0.21 |
| [00:01:09] | WattoDaToydarian: | wagnerrp, i'll try browse mode. I am interested in a better solution though if ya got one... |
| [00:01:31] | wagnerrp: | those are currently the only two solutions, and were previously the only two solutions |
| [00:01:38] | iamlindoro: | s/browse mode/file browse mode/ |
| [00:01:46] | NightMonkey: | Dagmar: Heh, #1 is true for my setup. Still rocking a Shuttle SN41V2G2. |
| [00:01:58] | iamlindoro: | browse mode = a layout in mythvideo, file browse mode = view all files in the filesystem |
| [00:02:18] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: those prices were assuming you could use a microatx board, the miniitx stuff is considerably more expensive |
| [00:02:26] | WattoDaToydarian: | but in terms of autofs is that a good choice? |
| [00:02:46] | iamlindoro: | if you don't want to scan, the one and only choice is to use file browse mode |
| [00:02:51] | iamlindoro: | same as always |
| [00:03:13] | WattoDaToydarian: | is autofs what your gys use? |
| [00:03:15] | wagnerrp: | the method to scan has changed, but the behavior is exactly the same |
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| [00:06:27] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: after filling all spaces with letters, saving and then removing them i got rid of the linebreak and it works now. thanks! |
| [00:07:03] | Dagmar: | np |
| [00:07:13] | Dagmar: | Thank you for actually listening |
| [00:07:32] | Dagmar: | There's other people who come through here who would have been all "THER R NO BROKE LINS IN MAH STUFF U R LIRE!" |
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| [00:08:04] | Dagmar: | I spend vast amounts of time working with shell scripts and other glue code |
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| [00:11:17] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: well my first guess was a linebreak... but it seems that i was unable to fix it with phpmyadmin :=) |
| [00:12:09] | ExElNeT: | btw i guess mythtv can handle mkv just fine? so i might convert my recordings to mkv? |
| [00:12:13] | Dagmar: | This is why you should not use phpmyadmin for anything |
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| [00:13:33] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: well the source was initially some mythtv gui ^^ |
| [00:14:20] | Dagmar: | It didn't embed newlines in your fields. |
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| [00:16:17] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: it did or i did and it helped me by doing so |
| [00:16:51] | Dagmar: | If MythTV's own interface embedded random newlines in stuff, we'd SURELY have seen it long before now |
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| [00:17:42] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: nah it just allowed me to produce this error :=) its all fine |
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| [00:19:09] | squish102: | anyone have a WinTV-HVR-950 usb tv tuner running in mythtv? on clearQAM? |
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| [00:23:34] | wagnerrp: | squish102: the HVR-950 does not support QAM, the HVR-950Q does |
| [00:24:00] | squish102: | ok i think the one on special is the Q :) |
| [00:24:21] | wagnerrp: | the non-Q version is rather hard to find anymore |
| [00:25:12] | squish102: | i have run out of pci slots, but there is a special on that usb tuner |
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| [00:33:35] | hachi: | hey all... I'm trying to find a page that I thought was on the wiki |
| [00:33:53] | ** sphery wonders why when a show has foreign-language conversations subtitled with the subs in the video frames the captions (audio described) often end up on top of that--i.e. "[speaks in foreign language]" on top of the subtitles... ** | |
| [00:34:07] | hachi: | it was about the problem of having HD channels and SD channels, and getting mythtv to pick the right one when you say you want to record a program |
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| [00:34:33] | sphery: | hachi: you should connect your inputs in the order you want them to be used |
| [00:34:38] | hachi: | I'm running into an issue where I must pick "Record this show on any channel" in order to let mythtv pick the HD one when it can |
| [00:34:54] | hachi: | that's gonna be an interesting problem to fix |
| [00:34:58] | sphery: | best information is http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html (the entire section 12) |
| [00:35:08] | hachi: | my setup's been runniing for a long while, and I bought the HD card second |
| [00:35:34] | sphery: | hachi: ah, you mean if you use "this channel" rules, it applies to the wrong one? "this channel" = "this callsign" in myth |
| [00:35:38] | FluxD: | Hey there was a link in the FAQ or something that linked to system config people used for mythtv but cant find it now Anyone have it? |
| [00:35:41] | hachi: | yes |
| [00:35:47] | sphery: | so if you want 2 channels treated as identical, give them the same callsign |
| [00:35:48] | hachi: | and the callsigns don't line up because like |
| [00:35:56] | hachi: | SyFy HD is 3 hours shifted from SyFy HD |
| [00:35:57] | sphery: | (callsign is user-editable user data, so change it to whatever) |
| [00:36:13] | sphery: | and if that's the case, you need to use "any channel" rules |
| [00:36:24] | sphery: | really, though, "any channel" is almost /always/ the right approach |
| [00:36:26] | hachi: | this is fine, it works correctly, sorta |
| [00:36:33] | hachi: | the problem I have with it is |
| [00:36:39] | hachi: | the choice is 'any time on any channel' |
| [00:36:45] | sphery: | if the SyFy HD is 3hrs later, you'll need to lower the priority of the "Syfy" channel |
| [00:36:57] | hachi: | so that means it likes to record all early seasons of like... House |
| [00:37:05] | hachi: | if I ask mythtv to record house |
| [00:37:13] | hachi: | I had this happen with the show "Burn Notice" |
| [00:37:21] | sphery: | then use a filter |
| [00:37:28] | hachi: | filter? |
| [00:37:33] | sphery: | there's a filter to exclude unidentified episodes (generics) |
| [00:37:33] | hachi: | is this a trunk feature? |
| [00:37:37] | sphery: | and one for new episodes only |
| [00:37:47] | hachi: | cause I don't remember this being in.... oh my |
| [00:37:51] | hachi: | .22 is finally release |
| [00:37:55] | hachi: | I didn't even notice |
| [00:38:18] | sphery: | or, my favorite approach, go through your upcoming recordings once every 2 weeks and mark all the repeats that you've actually seen as "Never record"--i.e. tell Myth which ones you've actually seen |
| [00:38:25] | sphery: | I did that and caught up with Simpsons |
| [00:38:37] | sphery: | Now Myth knows I"ve seen every episode of Simpsons ever aired |
| [00:38:49] | hachi: | I need to worry about the upgrade it seems |
| [00:39:04] | sphery: | all of the functionality I mentioned is in 0.21-fixes, too |
| [00:39:54] | sphery: | "New episodes only", "Exclude repeat episodes", "Exclude generic episodes", "Exclude repeat and generic episodes" |
| [00:40:01] | hachi: | I don't remember there being anything in the mythtv interface about episode numbers or whatever |
| [00:40:12] | hachi: | I'm looking now |
| [00:41:00] | hachi: | oh my |
| [00:41:03] | sphery: | I never said, "episode numbers" |
| [00:41:04] | hachi: | thank you sphery |
| [00:41:08] | hachi: | no, I see it |
| [00:41:12] | sphery: | but yeah, all of what I said is there |
| [00:41:40] | sphery: | really, the "any channel" rules (which are also any time) are what 99.99999% of all rules should be |
| [00:41:49] | hachi: | yeah, I agree |
| [00:42:08] | hachi: | how does it calculate 'new episodes' |
| [00:42:12] | sphery: | using "this channel" or "timeslot" really has no benefits compared to "any channel" done right |
| [00:42:42] | hachi: | sphery: agreed, I see this in mythweb... I'm gonna have to find it in the settop interface |
| [00:43:13] | ghoti: | What do people think of HD antennas? Worth the money, or would it be a better investment to donate to a torrent site and download the TV? |
| [00:43:28] | sphery: | hachi: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 44702#244702 |
| [00:43:42] | sphery: | ghoti: discussion of stealing TV is a bannable offense here |
| [00:43:43] | wagnerrp: | youre asking if you should pirate content? |
| [00:43:50] | wagnerrp: | in a logged channel, against channel rules? |
| [00:43:53] | hachi: | fish, I would rather buy an antenna myself |
| [00:44:34] | sphery: | ghoti: buy an antenna--and generally an antenna labelled as "HD" is a UHF only antenna (so one that's not labelled that way may actually be better) |
| [00:44:41] | ghoti: | I've been thinking of getting an antenna, since afaict the local cable provider is reducing their clear stuff even further. |
| [00:45:02] | sphery: | I said goodby to cable and satellite years ago and never looked back |
| [00:45:45] | sphery: | all the money I save by using an antenna for free-to-view OTA content I can then spend on DVD's of the shows I like that are on cable only (i.e. Stargate shows or BSG or ...) |
| [00:46:06] | sphery: | and donating money to a torrent site is /still/ stealing content |
| [00:46:24] | ghoti: | I've read that outdoor antennas are *always* better than indoor ones ... which makes sense I guess. Can you recommend a good place to read reviews? I don't know how to distinguish the useful Google results from the not-so-useful ones. |
| [00:46:56] | ghoti: | ya, true... It's just a bit of a pisser that so little of the content I want is available over the media I want. |
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| [00:51:33] | ghoti: | wagnerrp, obviously I wasn't seriously expecting anyone to recommend illegal acts. bad attempt at humour, sorry. |
| [00:51:55] | WattoDaToydarian: | wagnerrp, I can not get mythvideo to show my autofs folder at all |
| [00:52:13] | sphery: | wondering what that site like antennaweb is... Anyway for the US, there's http://antennaweb.org/ |
| [00:52:30] | WattoDaToydarian: | I did enable file browse mode |
| [00:52:47] | iamlindoro: | WattoDaToydarian: Is your local video folder pointed at wherever you mount your autofs stuff? |
| [00:53:07] | sphery: | ghoti: most anything you find at http://avsforum.com/ would be useful info |
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| [00:53:11] | FluxD: | Any suggestions for a good card within 100 $ that can do HDTV capture? |
| [00:53:15] | ghoti: | sphery, thanks, I'll do some reading there. At the very least, I'll learn more about what questions to ask. |
| [00:53:39] | sphery: | ah, and the better than antennaweb site is http://www.tvfool.com/ |
| [00:54:05] | ghoti: | FluxD, pcHDTV claims to be $99. |
| [00:54:10] | WattoDaToydarian: | iamlindoro, yes I have my videos folder with files that are already on the hdd and a subfolder for autofs. it's setup the exact same way that I used for .21 |
| [00:54:25] | sphery: | (antennaweb is basically CEA supported, so really pushes stuff from vendors who pay for CEA membership) |
| [00:54:35] | FluxD: | ghoti, I was looking at hd homerun but there is a problem with encrpyted channels can pchdtv handle that? |
| [00:54:46] | squish102: | FluxD i just picked up a usb tuner that i hope will work... for $35 free shipping |
| [00:54:51] | hachi: | none of the cards really can |
| [00:55:03] | FluxD: | squish102, oh link ? |
| [00:55:09] | squish102: | http://www.nero.com/enu/promo-nero-liquidtv.h . . . ;utm_id=8764 |
| [00:55:09] | ghoti: | sphery, great, thanks. BTW, I'm in Ontario (Rogers territory). |
| [00:55:15] | squish102: | 50% code |
| [00:55:45] | sphery: | ghoti: ah, and they're reducing the unencrypted channel count up there, too? that's too bad--thought it was only US cable co's |
| [00:55:53] | squish102: | FluxD looks like it should work |
| [00:56:00] | FluxD: | squish102, is that pci ? |
| [00:56:10] | squish102: | based on reports that it is a 950Q |
| [00:56:15] | squish102: | no usb |
| [00:56:24] | ghoti: | FluxD, my cable company at least doesn't provide any mechanism for any but their own PVRs to access encrypted channels. The only option I can imagine is a tuner with NTSC capture, which is obviously not HD quality. |
| [00:56:33] | squish102: | i have run out of pci slots :( |
| [00:56:49] | ghoti: | Are there any HDMI capture cards with Linux support? |
| [00:57:06] | wagnerrp: | with linux, yes.... with mythtv, no |
| [00:57:08] | FluxD: | ghoti, I dont have any device between my tv and cable does that mean its all unencrptred? |
| [00:57:12] | wagnerrp: | there is one blackmagic card |
| [00:57:20] | wagnerrp: | but it does not support HDCP capture for obvious reasons |
| [00:57:28] | ghoti: | blackmagic is the one I was thinking of. |
| [00:57:52] | wagnerrp: | and you would still have to deal with real-time compression of some 1.5gbps of video data in software |
| [00:58:11] | ghoti: | it's always annoying when DRM stops one from doing things legally. |
| [00:58:34] | wagnerrp: | no, its sheer CPU requirements stopping you from doing things |
| [00:59:43] | WattoDaToydarian: | anyone know how to change the default settings for new clients? |
| [00:59:50] | ghoti: | As long as a stream could be copied and stored, the CPU requirements can be deferred in batch jobs, BTTV-style. |
| [01:00:44] | wagnerrp: | but the stream cant be copied and stored |
| [01:00:52] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about an absolutely immense amount of data |
| [01:01:03] | ghoti: | well, true... |
| [01:01:07] | wagnerrp: | several GB per minute |
| [01:01:26] | wagnerrp: | an hour show would burn through ~350GB |
| [01:01:39] | wagnerrp: | and you would have no choice but to run RAID0 to capture it |
| [01:02:27] | ghoti: | I could live with that if I could then transcode it. Of course, I'd much rather just get the original stream. |
| [01:04:54] | WattoDaToydarian: | anyone know how to open a video file using the mythtv internal player? in .21 there was a mythtv program that did it... |
| [01:05:11] | wagnerrp: | mythavtest |
| [01:05:18] | wagnerrp: | it was renamed to what it actually is |
| [01:05:26] | wagnerrp: | only intended to be used for testing and debugging |
| [01:05:31] | GreyFoxx: | WattoDaToydarian: Are you testing something or want to use it for mythvideo |
| [01:05:31] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [01:05:46] | wagnerrp: | if you meant for mythvideo, use 'Internal' |
| [01:06:40] | WattoDaToydarian: | i want to play video files on my desktop. I had a open with command that used mythtv so when i double click it opened videos with the mythtv player |
| [01:07:01] | wagnerrp: | 'mplayer' |
| [01:07:34] | WattoDaToydarian: | i find the mythtv player works better |
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| [01:08:07] | wagnerrp: | well then as mentioned, its 'mythavtest' |
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| [01:08:37] | WattoDaToydarian: | yup thx. any word on how to change the default settings for new clients? |
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| [01:09:26] | iamlindoro: | mythtv became mythavtest because people kept trying to use mythtv as a command line player and that's discouraged, as it's only intended for debug purposes |
| [01:09:41] | skd5aner: | good decision |
| [01:10:18] | WattoDaToydarian: | will it cause a problem with my mythtv system using it that way? I find it works perfectly |
| [01:10:31] | iamlindoro: | also because people figured "mythtv" was the correct program to run after they installed mythtv, rather than mythfrontend |
| [01:10:40] | WattoDaToydarian: | ahh |
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| [01:12:01] | iamlindoro: | it's fine to use it, the name change was because we wanted people to have to make a conscious decision instead of using it by accident |
| [01:12:09] | ghoti: | so ... I'm trying to wrap my head around the various pieces that go into an HD tuner. Can someone tell me if this is right? MPEG2 video forms an ATSC which ... is carried via QAM, but that's where I don't get things. Do I need to know any of this when shopping for an HD antenna? |
| [01:12:38] | iamlindoro: | ghoti: That's pretty wrong already :) |
| [01:12:58] | ghoti: | excellent. :) |
| [01:13:03] | WattoDaToydarian: | HD uses UHF get that |
| [01:13:20] | WattoDaToydarian: | ... in simple terms |
| [01:13:29] | ghoti: | (simple – thanks) |
| [01:13:31] | iamlindoro: | MPEG-2 is a video codec. ATSC is the name of the American broadcast digital video standard. QAM is a *cable* (non OTA) modulation method |
| [01:13:43] | ghoti: | Ah.. |
| [01:14:08] | ghoti: | So ... QAM represents a mechanism for encoding a number of ATSC streams, one for each channel carried? |
| [01:14:17] | iamlindoro: | In short, ATSC specifies MPEG-2 video and AC-3 audio, carried via 8VSB modulation. and no, you don't need to worry about any of this when shopping for an antenna |
| [01:14:32] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [01:14:54] | iamlindoro: | QAM is a modulation. Used in digital cable broadcasting. *not* in OTA |
| [01:15:06] | iamlindoro: | If you are getting over the air signals, there is no QAM involved, at all |
| [01:15:18] | iamlindoro: | Cable = QAM modulation |
| [01:15:23] | iamlindoro: | OTA = 8VSB modulation |
| [01:15:27] | ghoti: | ya, I got that part. So it looks as if 8VSB would be the OTA modulation. And ATSC is carried via 8VSB over the air. |
| [01:15:29] | ghoti: | Right? |
| [01:15:30] | WattoDaToydarian: | i read you the first time lol |
| [01:15:49] | iamlindoro: | ATSC is a standard, not an item |
| [01:16:08] | iamlindoro: | American digital OTA broadcast conforms to the ATSC *standard*, which means it is 8VSB modulated |
| [01:16:16] | ghoti: | okay then, "And ATSC signals are carried via 8VSB over the air." ? |
| [01:16:24] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [01:16:43] | iamlindoro: | Those signals are MPEG-2 video and Ac3 audio in a MPEG TS container format |
| [01:16:52] | awalls: | www.atsc.org standard A/52, IIRC |
| [01:17:04] | ghoti: | ya, I got that too... I was reading wikipedia pages for these. |
| [01:17:08] | iamlindoro: | again, none of this is relevant to shopping for an antenna, per se |
| [01:17:24] | WattoDaToydarian: | see -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC#Modulation_and_transmission |
| [01:17:34] | ghoti: | iam, okay, to be honest, I want to learn about this for more than just knowledgeable shopping. ;) |
| [01:17:51] | iamlindoro: | that's orthwhile, just saying it's not a "need to know" for the antenna |
| [01:17:53] | iamlindoro: | er worthwhile |
| [01:18:32] | WattoDaToydarian: | I personally recommend the DB-4 or DB-8 antennas if you have some room for them |
| [01:19:10] | iamlindoro: | Well, it's tought to recommend an antenna without having knowledge of his situation |
| [01:19:16] | iamlindoro: | those are multidirectional antennas |
| [01:19:29] | iamlindoro: | his particular situation might need a different antenna design |
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| [01:20:06] | WattoDaToydarian: | yeah perhaps, however the DB ones are great overall as far as I can tell |
| [01:20:17] | ghoti: | Hmm, and I'll need to poke at those links that came up earlier in order to determine how many sources I need to consider. |
| [01:20:21] | ghoti: | I suspect there's at least 2. |
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| [01:20:56] | iamlindoro: | ghoti: It's all going to come down to how far your antennas are from you, and whether or not they are in the same basic direction |
| [01:21:04] | awalls: | If you're way out on the fringe, like me, you'll want a highly direction antenna and a UHF/VHF amp. |
| [01:21:16] | awalls: | /drection/directional/ |
| [01:21:16] | ghoti: | iamlindoro, so ... reading the specs for the HD-5500, I don't see any reference to 8VSB. Is that a cable-only encoder? |
| [01:21:24] | iamlindoro: | if they are very close, but in all directions, an onmi may work... if they are quite far, but in one basic direction.... what awalls said :) |
| [01:21:34] | ghoti: | I'm in a big city, with HD broadcast from a very large tower. |
| [01:21:40] | iamlindoro: | ghoti: the HD-5500 will do ATSC/8VSB |
| [01:21:58] | ghoti: | It does? I must be blind, I didn't see 8VSB on the spec page. |
| [01:22:03] | ghoti: | Only QAM64 and QAM256 |
| [01:22:07] | WattoDaToydarian: | ya you only need to look for ATSC |
| [01:22:07] | iamlindoro: | And though I have one and love it, I would probably buy an HDHomeRun if I was going to buy now-- and if you have to have internal, but an HVR-1250, which works great and is half as much |
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| [01:22:43] | iamlindoro: | s/but an/buy an/ |
| [01:23:26] | dontpanic: | iamlindoro: You have an HD-5500 ? |
| [01:23:33] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [01:23:48] | iamlindoro: | Works great, it's just that there are much less expensive options that work just as well now |
| [01:23:49] | dontpanic: | Do you have it working for your Analog channels, or just digital? |
| [01:24:03] | iamlindoro: | Ew, I'd never use a framegrabber for analog |
| [01:24:38] | dontpanic: | Well, I wanted it to be a Tivo-like device. :) |
| [01:24:53] | dontpanic: | What would you use for analog? |
| [01:25:10] | iamlindoro: | a PVR-150, PVR-500, or for a current board, an HVR-1600 |
| [01:25:25] | iamlindoro: | the HVR-1600 gets you analog and digital, and hardware mpeg encoding for the analog |
| [01:25:30] | ** iamlindoro has to get on the plane now :) ** | |
| [01:25:33] | dontpanic: | Oh, by framegrabber, you mean the hardware, not the softwary. |
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| [01:25:39] | dontpanic: | kk, l8r2 |
| [01:25:45] | awalls: | Have a nice flight |
| [01:26:03] | awalls: | By framegrabber he meant uncompressed video |
| [01:26:13] | awalls: | hardware |
| [01:26:50] | dontpanic: | I also have to go (my pizza is waiting for me). Thanks for the info. |
| [01:27:05] | ghoti: | Whoa, hvr-1250's are cheap on ebay. Wasn't expecting a $20-$40 price range. |
| [01:27:25] | ghoti: | iamlindoro, thanks very much for your advice. |
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| [01:32:41] | oobe: | anyone know why this has been happening when i try to watch recordings btw streaming in mythvideo works fine cause i dont use SG's for mythvideo http://pastebin.ca/1665781 |
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| [01:34:00] | oobe: | updated http://pastebin.ca/1665785 |
| [01:34:48] | rooter7: | Just compiled 0.22-fixes 22788M, and my reward is when running mythfrontend: "Floating Point Exception." |
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| [01:35:48] | rooter7: | How to troubleshoot? |
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| [01:37:06] | WattoDaToydarian: | rooter7, if you use Ubuntu you can get up to date pre-built packages... |
| [01:37:15] | unimaginative: | grin. |
| [01:37:16] | unimaginative: | mythbackend[7231]: segfault at 58 ip b76b682d sp aa7ed3e0 error 6 in libmythtv-0.22.so.0.22.0[b7487000+a1e000] |
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| [01:37:42] | pyther: | Hello |
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| [01:37:53] | pyther: | mythfilldatabase seems to just hang sometimes |
| [01:38:10] | pyther: | Which then prevents the system from shutting down |
| [01:38:23] | pyther: | Is there any way I can figure out why its hanging |
| [01:39:44] | rooter7: | WattoDaToydarian: I can't. Must patch for R5000. Anyway I run Debian. |
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| [01:40:50] | WattoDaToydarian: | rooter7, yeah I got no clue i'm just a user... |
| [01:41:08] | rooter7: | Just reset frontend appearance settings, but no dice. |
| [01:41:54] | WattoDaToydarian: | well good luck gys I g2g |
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| [01:55:07] | styelz: | anyone know why my hdhomerun would be causng the backend to fail ? and doing a fresh channel scan on hdhomerun device also quits mythtv-setup at 53% into the scan |
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| [01:58:10] | styelz: | 2009-11–11 12:57:51.169 HDHRSH(12105400–1): Tuning channel :711500000 (was none) |
| [01:58:10] | styelz: | Segmentation fault |
| [01:58:47] | jtmoney: | is there a way to reset my recordings database? whenever i go to "watch recordings", i see about 10 or so livetv recordings, all of which are invalid and cannot be deleted |
| [02:00:31] | styelz: | here is a -v all output from mythbackend if anyone is interested http://pastie.org/693059 |
| [02:03:27] | styelz: | jtmoney: not sure, i use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to rebuild the db from the dir. |
| [02:04:33] | jtmoney: | styelz: thanks |
| [02:04:38] | styelz: | you should be able to delete them under Manage Recordings > Delete Recordings |
| [02:04:45] | styelz: | in the fonrtend |
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| [02:05:40] | jtmoney: | styelz: yeah, that doesn't work :( ... i'll try the perl file |
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| [02:13:33] | styelz: | hm, check the permissions on the files maybe |
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| [02:13:56] | styelz: | make sure they are owned my mythtv |
| [02:14:02] | styelz: | my/by |
| [02:18:06] | jtmoney: | they are |
| [02:18:14] | jtmoney: | still working with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [02:18:18] | jtmoney: | thanks for your help |
| [02:20:50] | jtmoney: | ok, it found a bunch of matches |
| [02:20:56] | jtmoney: | but the old "recordings" are still there |
| [02:21:02] | jtmoney: | maybe i need to restart mythtv-backend |
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| [02:22:43] | sphery: | styelz: 0.22-fixes or 0.21-fixes? |
| [02:23:14] | styelz: | sphery: 0.22.0+fixes22594 |
| [02:23:26] | styelz: | am i out of date |
| [02:23:32] | sphery: | jtmoney: you can always delete recordings even if they're not there--use INFO (I) to bring up the popup |
| [02:23:57] | sphery: | styelz: I know some HDHR stuff went in to fixes, but not sure which rev |
| [02:24:08] | sphery: | might work better with a newer rev |
| [02:24:10] | styelz: | ok i will have a look for that |
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| [02:24:29] | sphery: | just thought it might be the same old 0.21-fixes race condition for multi-core/multi-proc systems |
| [02:24:36] | sphery: | but since it's not 0.21... :( |
| [02:25:55] | styelz: | strange, if i imprt the channels from my backup, for the hdhr |
| [02:26:01] | styelz: | it works fine |
| [02:26:22] | sphery: | why are you rescanning, then? |
| [02:26:30] | sphery: | why didn't you just upgrade the backup |
| [02:27:20] | styelz: | i did, but i needed to change some things that were bugging me.. and started again with 1 input source |
| [02:27:25] | styelz: | instead of 2 |
| [02:27:34] | styelz: | i have 2 pci encoders and a hdhr |
| [02:27:43] | sphery: | oh |
| [02:31:22] | styelz: | thing is, i cant scan for the hdhr channels |
| [02:31:34] | styelz: | it seg faults the setup app at 53% in |
| [02:31:50] | styelz: | lucky for backups |
| [02:32:17] | styelz: | and when the hdhr tries to use a channel scanned on the pci card , the backend segfaults |
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| [02:44:45] | styelz: | video source/ not input connection |
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| [03:09:14] | FluxD: | Hey there was a link in the FAQ or something that linked to system config people used for mythtv but cant find it now Anyone have it? |
| [03:09:55] | wagnerrp: | system config? |
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| [03:13:52] | Gnarl: | Does anyone know how to fix mod_rewrite? |
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| [03:15:28] | jtmoney: | sphery: tried to delete using the i key... that didn't work either |
| [03:16:20] | unimaginative: | woot, I got the backend to crash again! |
| [03:16:24] | sphery: | jtmoney: with the i key you should get a popup that gives 2 options--view details and delete |
| [03:16:27] | sphery: | is that what you got? |
| [03:16:34] | unimaginative: | coldfire.myftp.org/~fuxxy/gdb.txt |
| [03:16:48] | jtmoney: | no |
| [03:16:59] | jtmoney: | play from... add to playlist... mark as watched... |
| [03:17:27] | sphery: | jtmoney: exit Watch Recordings, go back in, highlight the recording, wait about 5 seconds, then hit I... Don't hit /any/ keys while waiting |
| [03:17:38] | jtmoney: | k one sec |
| [03:17:55] | sphery: | jtmoney: you're probably hitting it when it's trying to regen a preview and the preview generator breaks the "not available" detection |
| [03:18:45] | sphery: | unimaginative: is that from a coredump? |
| [03:18:58] | sphery: | the Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) looks messsed up |
| [03:19:14] | jtmoney: | can't get it working |
| [03:19:18] | sphery: | ah, that was an interrupt/continue |
| [03:19:24] | jtmoney: | there has to be a way to just wipe this part of the database |
| [03:19:46] | sphery: | jtmoney: are the files on disk? |
| [03:19:49] | jtmoney: | or wipe the entire database |
| [03:19:55] | sphery: | you can find the filename with the U (DETAILS) key |
| [03:19:57] | jtmoney: | yeah, but none of the ones that are listing |
| [03:20:01] | jtmoney: | *listed |
| [03:20:11] | sphery: | what's that mean |
| [03:20:13] | jpabq: | ghoti, I just skimmed the above conversation, so you may have already been told this, but.... When buying an antenna you need to find out if your local stations are all UHF or if you also need to hand the hi-VHF range. Most cities have gone just UHF, but some (like mine) still use the hi-VHF range as well. |
| [03:20:17] | sphery: | you have missing file or you don't |
| [03:20:34] | wagnerrp: | 'congressman howard stern' on V tonight.... is that supposed to be a reference to someone? |
| [03:20:34] | sphery: | jpabq: and mine :) |
| [03:20:37] | jtmoney: | i have some new recordings which are on the hard drive but are not listed under watch recordings |
| [03:20:46] | jtmoney: | and all the things under watch recordings are not on the hard drive |
| [03:21:04] | sphery: | jtmoney: for finding the others, use MENU and then /both/ Change Group Filter and Change Group View |
| [03:21:05] | jpabq: | sphery, you probably have twice as many stations as I do, too! |
| [03:22:12] | sphery: | heh, I get "all" of them — NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW, MyTV, 3x PBS, and some Pax/Ind stuff |
| [03:23:17] | jtmoney: | sphery: THANK YOU |
| [03:23:18] | sphery: | unimaginative: anyway, I can't see any segfault in that backtrace--just an interrupt and a continue |
| [03:23:19] | jtmoney: | that worked |
| [03:23:56] | jpabq: | I would not mind have 3x of all of them, so I could choose one that doesn't screw up the show with "local" weather. "local" meaning anything within a 400 mile radius. |
| [03:24:05] | Wicked: | im trying to figure out why tmdb.pl wont find movies that i have added to themoviedb. Sometimes its giving me a "File does not exist: at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl line 335" which is something to do with xml...i have XML::Simple installed for perl. But its working fine for other movies..its just a few movies it refuses to find. |
| [03:24:28] | Wicked: | i install tmdb.pl using this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
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| [03:24:46] | sphery: | jtmoney: for the missing files, you should find their names (use U to get the details), then touch 1021_20091109201324.mpg (with appropriate filename) in one of the directories in the default storage group. If you do, myth will get rid of them. And do not delete files outside of myth in the future. |
| [03:24:58] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: what version of mythtv are you using? |
| [03:25:11] | Wicked: | 0.22-fixes |
| [03:25:18] | sphery: | Wicked: that error is typically caused by network issues with tmdb.org |
| [03:25:19] | wagnerrp: | so... why did you install it? |
| [03:25:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery, Wicked: the tmdb grabber still uses the old imdb ids |
| [03:25:47] | Wicked: | yea i know. the movies im trying to find contain them |
| [03:25:50] | wagnerrp: | if you have a movie where someone has not referenced the imdb id, the tmdb grabber will fail |
| [03:26:01] | sphery: | right, and you need to populate the imdb number at tmdb.org |
| [03:26:03] | Wicked: | this movie has a imdb reference id |
| [03:26:35] | sphery: | but the specific error you mentioned, "File does not exist: at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl line 335" is due to network issues |
| [03:27:00] | Wicked: | ok well i wasnt sure if it was related or now |
| [03:27:07] | sphery: | basically, we get nothing back from tmdb, so the xml file with the data doesn't exist and we get a garbage error message |
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| [03:27:09] | wagnerrp: | anyway, as mentioned, 0.22 comes packaged with tmdb.pl |
| [03:27:22] | Wicked: | hmm |
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| [03:27:32] | wagnerrp: | there were some recent changes to the way the grabber works, i dont know if they are in fixes or not |
| [03:27:51] | Wicked: | how come for some movies it grabs the data fine right away..then if i try another movie that i know exists on tmdb..it fails |
| [03:27:53] | sphery: | only trunk |
| [03:27:53] | wagnerrp: | however its very possible the version that works with 0.21 does not work with 0.22 |
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| [03:28:19] | sphery: | 0.21 and 0.22 versions are the same. trunk is different |
| [03:28:26] | Wicked: | i see |
| [03:28:59] | sphery: | but, basically, IME, the tmdb site is overtaxed and you end up getting varying success |
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| [03:29:44] | sphery: | if it /always/ (over many hours/days of attempts) fails on a specific video, though, it may just be problems with the site--i.e. send the API request using a browser and you'll probably get nothing/garbage back |
| [03:30:14] | sphery: | if that's the case, you need to file a bug report |
| [03:30:20] | sphery: | at tmdb, not myth |
| [03:30:35] | sphery: | you can get the URI and the API key from the script itself |
| [03:30:45] | unimaginative: | sphery, hmm, I went to the server and did a 'ps auxww | grep myth" and didnt find anything |
| [03:32:05] | sphery: | well you have 2 stack traces and the only signals are SIGINT and SIGCONT |
| [03:33:09] | sphery: | I'd guess based on where the interrupt/continue happened that it found during startup that there was a problem and shut itself down. check the logs |
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| [03:34:26] | sphery: | if not, it seems that the stack was pretty well messed up after the interrupt, so it may have crashed and/or gdb may have crashed, but there's no output showing myth's crash |
| [03:34:41] | sphery: | (which is why I'd assume gdb crashed, itself) |
| [03:35:09] | unimaginative: | coldfire.myftp.org/~fuxxy/myth.log |
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| [03:36:54] | unimaginative: | http://coldfire.myftp.org/~fuxxy/myth.log |
| [03:37:11] | sphery: | hmmm... nothing interesting there |
| [03:37:19] | unimaginative: | meh, I dunno. |
| [03:37:36] | unimaginative: | I do have a hard drive going bad, mabye I can chalk it all up to that. |
| [03:37:43] | sphery: | yeah, see if it happens again and if so if you can get a better stacktrace |
| [03:37:44] | unimaginative: | no debugging for me until that drive is replaced |
| [03:37:48] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [03:38:04] | unimaginative: | This box won't let me run the gdb command as user 'mythtv' either |
| [03:38:12] | sphery: | yeah, drive issues come first--then debugging |
| [03:38:53] | unimaginative: | Yeah, one of the partitions on that bad drive is my / |
| [03:39:51] | unimaginative: | I know the drive's going bad because (1) it's been showing symptops, POST issues, etc. |
| [03:40:09] | unimaginative: | and (2) my 6 drive raid5 keeps kicking that one partition out of the array |
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| [03:46:35] | Led-Hed: | HVR-2250? how hard is this card to setup in Ubuntu 9.xx? |
| [03:46:53] | unimaginative: | Led-Hed, I have no experience with that card. Check the wiki ? |
| [03:46:59] | wagnerrp: | i believe you still have to use 3rd party drivers with it |
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| [03:47:18] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, same driver as the 1250? |
| [03:47:24] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:47:37] | wagnerrp: | the 1250 has been in the kernel for the better part of a year |
| [03:48:13] | Dagmar: | Doh! The PS3 now supports NetFlix |
| [03:48:15] | Led-Hed: | ok. I saw that it was a Daul tunner, and was hopeful that it would be an easy install |
| [03:48:24] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: in a manner of speaking.... |
| [03:48:50] | wagnerrp: | you pop in the disk, and it plays NetFlix in a java applet as part of the PS3's BDLive capability |
| [03:48:51] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I'm going to assume it'll do at least as much as a web browser on their site |
| [03:49:25] | Dagmar: | Why would you worry about how a rental disc from NetFlix works |
| [03:49:31] | Dagmar: | It's a normal DVD |
| [03:50:13] | wagnerrp: | it just seems.... wrong, to have to get up and put a disk in the system in order to use streaming internet video |
| [03:50:30] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [03:50:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont care how it works, but the fact that you need a disk ruins it for me |
| [03:50:49] | Dagmar: | Wow. They should have mentioned that in the email then |
| [03:51:00] | Dagmar: | I'm baffled as to why the support can't be bloody loaded into the hard disk |
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| [03:52:23] | Led-Hed: | thanks again wagnerrp. Night all |
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| [03:59:44] | wagnerrp: | im only assuming that the netflix stuff is implemented in bdlive instead of native code, because if it were native code, there would be no reason why it couldnt be loaded onto the hard drive |
| [03:59:55] | wagnerrp: | but i wonder if that means it works on any networked bluray player |
| [04:00:13] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK it's a CD to avoid a license agreement they made with Microsoft for same on 360 |
| [04:00:47] | wagnerrp: | but they expect to have an internal solution late next year |
| [04:00:58] | wagnerrp: | does that mean the xbox agreement was only 2-years long or something? |
| [04:01:09] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [04:08:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22791/ |
| [04:10:07] | wagnerrp: | release date is in addition to year? |
| [04:10:12] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [04:10:28] | iamlindoro: | technically year could be phased out now |
| [04:10:33] | iamlindoro: | but I'll do that at some later date |
| [04:10:54] | iamlindoro: | ie phased out as a DB field, and built from releasedate |
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| [04:13:19] | iamlindoro: | would be a lot more fun to test if TMDB's web wasn't broken right now :) (the API is fine though) |
| [04:14:01] | wagnerrp: | its always broken.... |
| [04:14:29] | wagnerrp: | although at least now they tell you its broken |
| [04:14:36] | wagnerrp: | instead of just getting arbitrary ruby errors |
| [04:15:00] | iamlindoro: | e-mailed back and forth with Travis a bit just before the release, he has a much more robust solution coming online this month |
| [04:15:07] | iamlindoro: | and the new API will be pretty slick |
| [04:15:08] | iamlindoro: | there |
| [04:15:10] | iamlindoro: | er |
| [04:15:28] | iamlindoro: | there's a fair chance tmdb.pl will be replaced altogether for the new API, but we'll see |
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| [04:18:21] | matmatmat: | can someone help me with a video-card problem here? |
| [04:18:42] | wagnerrp: | what specifically |
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| [04:20:31] | matmatmat: | i got a wintv nexus-s, its a technotrend-tt based card, and i updated mythubunto to karmic, now it doesnt work anymore |
| [04:20:45] | matmatmat: | the driver is found, but no source |
| [04:21:14] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? if you have the kernel module built and loaded, there is no need for the source |
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| [04:21:38] | matmatmat: | source as in video source |
| [04:21:39] | iamlindoro: | not to mention that not being a video card |
| [04:22:03] | matmatmat: | tv card i mean |
| [04:22:27] | wagnerrp: | video source is unrelated to your tuner cards |
| [04:22:39] | wagnerrp: | in your case, your video source would be your satellite provider |
| [04:23:24] | matmatmat: | maybe you can find a better way to put it in words, but mythtv finds the driver, cant record though |
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| [04:23:50] | wagnerrp: | you said video source, the video source is an abstracted 'source' of content |
| [04:23:56] | wagnerrp: | your channel lineup is bound to a source |
| [04:24:05] | wagnerrp: | and then you can connect as many tuner inputs as you want to it |
| [04:24:24] | wagnerrp: | step 3 in mythtv-setup |
| [04:24:36] | wagnerrp: | the parts dealing directly with tuner cards are steps 2 and 4 |
| [04:24:47] | wagnerrp: | capture cards, and input connections, respectively |
| [04:25:21] | matmatmat: | i cant select a source |
| [04:25:41] | matmatmat: | that is my problem |
| [04:25:53] | elmojo: | sphery: how long does it take the ML to bounce an e-mail back if it's down? |
| [04:25:56] | wagnerrp: | where, in step 4? |
| [04:26:03] | wagnerrp: | you cannot bind a tuner input to a video source? |
| [04:26:24] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: if the mailing list is down, it wont bounce back |
| [04:26:36] | wagnerrp: | it takes until your outbound SMTP decides to do so |
| [04:27:13] | wagnerrp: | it will usually keep retrying on the order of several hours before bouncing back |
| [04:27:26] | wagnerrp: | and may continue to do so afterwards |
| [04:28:36] | elmojo: | k, makes sense |
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| [04:31:27] | matmatmat: | the setup runs fine until channel scan |
| [04:31:43] | matmatmat: | my problem is not mythtv related, the tv card just doesnt work |
| [04:32:15] | wagnerrp: | try scan/dvbscan in the dvbutils package |
| [04:32:19] | matmatmat: | channel scan says cant access the card |
| [04:32:23] | wagnerrp: | see if it can successfully pull one off |
| [04:32:36] | wagnerrp: | does the card actually exist? nodes in /dev/dvb? |
| [04:32:57] | matmatmat: | no |
| [04:33:29] | sphery: | elmojo: the OOM-killer bounces are pretty quick |
| [04:33:32] | matmatmat: | can it be there under a different name? |
| [04:33:55] | wagnerrp: | it will either be scan or dvbscan, i dont know what the package name under ubuntu is |
| [04:34:51] | matmatmat: | hm theres no package like that |
| [04:35:00] | matmatmat: | ill look around a bit |
| [04:35:11] | wagnerrp: | does the dev node show up? |
| [04:35:25] | mangus580: | hmmmmm I need a bigger hard drive! |
| [04:35:27] | wagnerrp: | should be a folder, /dev/dvb/adaptor0 |
| [04:35:36] | matmatmat: | theres no dvb folder |
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| [04:35:51] | wagnerrp: | matmatmat: then the driver is not loaded properly, or not at all |
| [04:36:05] | matmatmat: | what can i do about it? |
| [04:36:16] | wagnerrp: | try 'dmesg' to see if there are any errors reported |
| [04:37:00] | matmatmat: | hm my display buffer is too small |
| [04:37:16] | wagnerrp: | 'dmesg | less' |
| [04:37:18] | matmatmat: | do you know how to make it bigger? |
| [04:37:20] | matmatmat: | oh.. |
| [04:37:56] | matmatmat: | doesnt help |
| [04:38:02] | matmatmat: | but i found somethin |
| [04:38:11] | matmatmat: | firmware |
| [04:38:21] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean doesnt help? you couldnt have possible scanned the whole kernel log that quickly |
| [04:38:34] | matmatmat: | i installed one, but looks like i should have renamed it too |
| [04:38:54] | matmatmat: | doesnt help = its too much text |
| [04:39:00] | matmatmat: | i cant read the top part |
| [04:39:14] | matmatmat: | cause i cant scroll up |
| [04:39:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, the actual logs themselves have cycled over |
| [04:39:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it only keeps so much in memory |
| [04:39:46] | matmatmat: | i have a problem with terminology |
| [04:40:48] | matmatmat: | dmesg is interesting |
| [04:41:01] | matmatmat: | i didnt know i have cd-rom installed in that computer |
| [04:41:17] | wagnerrp: | you will probably have better luck getting the card working in #linuxtv |
| [04:41:28] | matmatmat: | ill get it working |
| [04:41:37] | matmatmat: | just have to rename the firmware i guess |
| [04:41:53] | wagnerrp: | also... http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/FF_Rev._2.1_DVB-S_Cards |
| [04:44:59] | mangus580: | why cant I get mythweather to find a location for me? |
| [04:45:18] | wagnerrp: | the scripts can be very picky about location |
| [04:45:30] | mangus580: | hmmm |
| [04:45:46] | mangus580: | they are in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts (on fedora) |
| [04:46:02] | wagnerrp: | for instance, you may want to use large nearby cities, airports, full names, etc.. |
| [04:46:22] | mangus580: | ahh, that location |
| [04:46:28] | mangus580: | I tried the large nearby city |
| [04:47:15] | wagnerrp: | i ended up having to use my local three-character airport code |
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| [04:47:27] | mangus580: | lemme try that |
| [04:48:28] | mangus580: | that did it... and of course came up with 27 results LOL |
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| [04:50:18] | mangus580: | interesting... some scripts work like that, others dont |
| [04:51:42] | mangus580: | Maps dont work with that :-( |
| [04:51:46] | matmatmat: | cross your fingers |
| [04:51:55] | DjMadness: | It seams theres been some changes since 0.21, i am unable to update the list of video's i have manually put into a folder. I have set the folder in video settings, but i keep getting "No files found" how can i force an update in 0.22 ? |
| [04:52:34] | wagnerrp: | in any mythvideo screen, hit 'm' |
| [04:52:39] | wagnerrp: | first option on the list |
| [04:53:41] | DjMadness: | thanks, all i needed :) damn thats much better than before |
| [04:54:17] | DjMadness: | used to be go through setup etc.. (hence why i was lost :P) |
| [04:54:47] | wagnerrp: | read the mythvideo transition guide |
| [04:54:52] | wagnerrp: | theres been a lot of changes |
| [04:56:27] | DjMadness: | doing it now :) ye ive noticed lots of changes in 0.22 its getting very very good... cant wait till the 0.23 themes however :D |
| [04:56:50] | matmatmat: | no luck :( |
| [04:57:08] | matmatmat: | is bttv my capture card? |
| [04:57:25] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: yes |
| [04:58:00] | matmatmat: | i dont see any errors |
| [04:58:04] | wagnerrp: | bttv is a framegrabber |
| [04:58:04] | matmatmat: | in dmesg |
| [04:58:12] | wagnerrp: | you have a digital card |
| [04:58:17] | matmatmat: | and ivtv? |
| [04:58:28] | matmatmat: | anyways |
| [04:58:31] | wagnerrp: | mpeg encoder... pvr150/250/350... |
| [04:58:44] | matmatmat: | theres no dvb directory in /dev |
| [04:59:01] | matmatmat: | can it have a different name? |
| [04:59:14] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [04:59:38] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: for analog cards do a, if you have dvb... well you'll need to install your kernel modules ls /dev/video* |
| [05:00:04] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [05:00:34] | matmatmat: | theres no video |
| [05:01:41] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: witch card do you have ? (sorry i have come on a bit late (bnc like interface)) |
| [05:01:55] | matmatmat: | hauppauge wintv nexus-s |
| [05:02:04] | matmatmat: | a technotrend tt-series card |
| [05:02:08] | matmatmat: | err |
| [05:02:17] | matmatmat: | i mean |
| [05:02:22] | matmatmat: | premium line series |
| [05:02:25] | matmatmat: | or something |
| [05:02:47] | mangus580: | wow, this weather is really kicking my ass |
| [05:04:10] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: have you searched for it on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki ? |
| [05:04:17] | matmatmat: | AV7110 Chipset with STV0299 Frontend |
| [05:05:51] | DjMadness: | searching... need a moment... very slow internet |
| [05:06:14] | matmatmat: | doing so now |
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| [05:07:24] | mangus580: | well I suppose at least it kinda works in mythweb.... |
| [05:12:13] | matmatmat: | i dont need mythweather at least, its raining onto my roof light for hours now |
| [05:12:21] | mangus580: | LOL |
| [05:12:39] | mangus580: | even funnier... |
| [05:12:54] | mangus580: | my 18 hour forecast... shows night icons for day... day icons for night |
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| [05:13:03] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: have not been able to find anything with the info you provided |
| [05:13:12] | DjMadness: | mangus580: lol |
| [05:14:32] | tyce: | can anyone tell me if I'm missing something simple when it comes to fanart in recordings... It works fine on my backend machine, but not on my frontend. I've got my frontend pointing to the same dir via an nfs mount |
| [05:15:59] | Dagmar: | They need to have the same fully qualified path as well |
| [05:16:17] | matmatmat: | hm whatever |
| [05:16:23] | matmatmat: | i'm hungry |
| [05:16:41] | mangus580: | good job matmatmat... now I am hungry too! |
| [05:16:51] | tyce: | right, they do... backend points to /mnt/arc/artwork which is the nfs export |
| [05:17:05] | tyce: | the frontend goes to same place |
| [05:19:13] | Dagmar: | Okay then it comes down to making sure the uid the frontend is running as can read it |
| [05:19:25] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, you get to check everything again |
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| [05:22:18] | tyce: | well I've even tried just scp'ing everything over and chown'ing it to my user |
| [05:22:20] | mangus580: | hmmm now to figure out why mythvideo doesnt get the vid info |
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| [05:22:50] | Dagmar: | So check your frontend's config |
| [05:23:02] | mangus580: | it 'appears' correct |
| [05:24:13] | tyce: | is ok to have all the artwork in one dir, or does it have to be placed in separate locations (ie: fanart, banners, coverart, etc...) |
| [05:24:45] | wagnerrp: | i believe everything will revert to coverart if you dont have folders for the other ones |
| [05:25:00] | wagnerrp: | i know it will revert to the base video directory if you have none of them |
| [05:25:42] | tyce: | in mythvideo, it all works right... posters, fanart, etc... |
| [05:25:51] | tyce: | with it being in the same location |
| [05:27:31] | matmatmat: | whats fanart? |
| [05:28:27] | matmatmat: | can mythtv rip dvds? |
| [05:28:30] | tyce: | the background image |
| [05:28:48] | sid3windr: | fanny art |
| [05:29:14] | wagnerrp: | no, fanny art is why mythtv supports parental controls |
| [05:29:42] | matmatmat: | wth is fanny art |
| [05:29:56] | wagnerrp: | porn |
| [05:30:19] | Dagmar: | "fanny" means a whole 'nother thing outside the US |
| [05:30:20] | matmatmat: | whats the art part about? |
| [05:30:27] | Dagmar: | matmatmat: It's artistic |
| [05:31:02] | matmatmat: | werent you talkin coverart or something? |
| [05:31:08] | wagnerrp: | in the US, 'fanny' can refer to 'butt' |
| [05:31:20] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr said 'fanny art' |
| [05:31:33] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to 'fanart' |
| [05:31:34] | Dagmar: | In the US, fanny generally does refer to the butt. |
| [05:31:39] | Dagmar: | It's a term one's grandmother might use |
| [05:32:27] | matmatmat: | which leads me to the question again, does mythtv rip dvds? |
| [05:32:53] | wagnerrp: | MTD does, part of mythvideo, formerly of mythdvd |
| [05:33:01] | matmatmat: | oh |
| [05:33:04] | matmatmat: | neat |
| [05:33:07] | matmatmat: | thanks |
| [05:34:46] | iamlindoro: | tyce, Are you using themes that support fanart in Watch Recordings on both sides? Do you have the remote frontend's artwork directories pointed at the correct location? Those are set per-frontend |
| [05:35:04] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [05:37:07] | matmatmat: | this is getting weird |
| [05:38:39] | matmatmat: | damn ubuntu |
| [05:39:50] | tyce: | iamlindoro: using the mythbuntu theme, but have also tried it in graphite. and yes, I believe it's pointed the right place |
| [05:40:20] | iamlindoro: | tyce, There's some misconfiguration afoot, as the configuration you speak of works fine |
| [05:40:51] | iamlindoro: | you can try running at a higher verbosity level and seeing what directory listing it returns when it goes hunting for images |
| [05:41:00] | tyce: | :( strange part is that it works currently for one show (NCIS) |
| [05:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Well if it works for one show, then you likely have some sort of naming conflict/issue |
| [05:41:55] | iamlindoro: | That would have been relevant information 20–30 minutes ago, btw |
| [05:42:23] | Dagmar: | It could be a demonic infestation. |
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| [05:42:50] | DjMadness: | anyone else have any issues with subtitles in mythvideo ? i am trying to play an avi file witch has external subtitles (.srt) the filename is the same as the avi. both the osd menu (if its surpost to be there) or the shortcut does not do anything. and the subs work in mplayer |
| [05:42:58] | tyce: | sorry... just noticed it as I was flipping thru the recordings (currently sitting at 212) |
| [05:43:04] | wagnerrp: | cant very well exorcise hardware, it just has to be burned |
| [05:43:11] | iamlindoro: | heh, "surpost" |
| [05:43:22] | iamlindoro: | something on top of a post, likely |
| [05:44:01] | iamlindoro: | DjMadness, does the filename have more than one "." in it? |
| [05:44:10] | iamlindoro: | (and it's, "supposed") |
| [05:44:32] | DjMadness: | iamlindoro: nopes. its in format moviename.avi moviename.srt |
| [05:44:38] | DjMadness: | ah thx... i kinda suck at spelling ;) |
| [05:44:57] | iamlindoro: | DjMadness, SRT subtitles do not appear in the menu-- what shortcut button are you pressing? |
| [05:45:38] | iamlindoro: | ... |
| [05:45:39] | DjMadness: | the same shortcut button i am using for subtitles in livetv... (ive changed the shortcut button) leme see its name in shortcuts list |
| [05:45:50] | iamlindoro: | no, just wnat to know what button you are pressing |
| [05:45:52] | iamlindoro: | please |
| [05:46:04] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [05:46:09] | iamlindoro: | can't ever get a simple answer |
| [05:46:11] | DjMadness: | well the same button as "T" |
| [05:46:29] | DjMadness: | witch i googled for. |
| [05:46:34] | iamlindoro: | "which" |
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| [05:46:55] | ** iamlindoro hopes that english is his second language ** | |
| [05:47:05] | ** DjMadness needs an automatic dictionary in hes irc client ** | |
| [05:47:09] | DjMadness: | < denmark :P |
| [05:47:12] | iamlindoro: | "his" |
| [05:47:28] | iamlindoro: | well at least that's some excuse ;) |
| [05:47:48] | iamlindoro: | Better than my Danish :) |
| [05:47:52] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, Danish |
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| [05:49:08] | DjMadness: | :P |
| [05:50:02] | iamlindoro: | anyway, subtitles work fine as long as the filename doesn't have more than one period in it |
| [05:50:11] | iamlindoro: | And yes, T is the default key to load them |
| [05:53:06] | DjMadness: | okeys... i guess ive remapped the wrong key... (though the same key works for live tv subtitle changing) |
| [05:53:10] | iamlindoro: | also assumes you're using text format subtitles, and not bitmapped ones |
| [05:54:27] | DjMadness: | looks like text format to me (dont think mplayer would handle bitmapped anyways) |
| [05:54:37] | iamlindoro: | mplayer does handle bitmapped |
| [05:54:49] | iamlindoro: | they handle several subtitle formats we do not |
| [05:55:18] | DjMadness: | well i dont see anything "binary" in the file... only pure clean text |
| [05:55:55] | iamlindoro: | *shrug* works great here |
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| [05:56:03] | iamlindoro: | so you either have a file naming issue or a file format issue |
| [05:56:20] | iamlindoro: | Just tested, and looking at an SRT file as we speak |
| [05:56:34] | matmatmat: | someone wanna take a look into my kernel log? #linuxtv is sleeping, and maybe im just missing something |
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| [06:00:11] | mangus580: | movie posters, screenshots, TV banners, and fanart directories on the remote frontend settings... |
| [06:00:20] | mangus580: | do they need to point to a shared folder on the backend? |
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| [06:01:21] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to carry around multiple copies for each frontend |
| [06:01:27] | matmatmat: | i think my dvb device is called video0 |
| [06:01:29] | wagnerrp: | or you can just put them into storage groups |
| [06:01:36] | DjMadness: | matmatmat: doubt it |
| [06:01:37] | wagnerrp: | video0 is analog captur |
| [06:01:47] | iamlindoro: | If you are using Storage Groups for MythVideo, the local settings are not necessary at all. If you are using local storage, they need to point at the same path on all frontends, and must all contain the same content, usually accomplished with an NFS or SAMBA mount |
| [06:01:53] | wagnerrp: | dvb will be /dev/dvb/adaptor0 |
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| [06:02:12] | matmatmat: | fuck me |
| [06:02:18] | matmatmat: | now theres a dvb folder |
| [06:02:23] | iamlindoro: | matmatmat, language |
| [06:02:24] | wagnerrp: | watch the language |
| [06:02:45] | mangus580: | so if I am using storage groups... leave allt he settings blank? |
| [06:02:54] | mangus580: | (for directories) |
| [06:02:57] | matmatmat: | yeah will do |
| [06:03:18] | matmatmat: | still doesnt work tho |
| [06:03:42] | iamlindoro: | mangus580, If you are *only* using storage groups for video, yes... you could put anything you want there as the settings will never get used in that case |
| [06:04:02] | mangus580: | ok |
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| [06:04:10] | mangus580: | what triggers the scripts to go get the info about the videos? |
| [06:04:41] | iamlindoro: | The person in the chair |
| [06:05:02] | mangus580: | ok.... and how is that done? :-) (some things I cant seem to find in the docs) |
| [06:05:12] | iamlindoro: | read the mythvideo transition guide |
| [06:05:21] | iamlindoro: | please |
| [06:05:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [06:05:57] | iamlindoro: | in short, highlight a film, press W, wait patiently |
| [06:09:32] | mangus580: | is there a way to 'mass load' them all? |
| [06:09:45] | mangus580: | (or to have a script run nightly to update them?) |
| [06:09:53] | sid3windr: | that I'd like |
| [06:10:01] | iamlindoro: | I am not answering any more questions that I spent time answering in the transition guide |
| [06:10:04] | iamlindoro: | including that one |
| [06:10:09] | mangus580: | ok :-) |
| [06:10:22] | mangus580: | did you answer the xml warning in there too? |
| [06:10:41] | iamlindoro: | That wasn't even a question |
| [06:10:46] | mangus580: | ok |
| [06:10:55] | mangus580: | I am getting xml errors... I will research it |
| [06:11:03] | iamlindoro: | what errors? |
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| [06:12:47] | mangus580: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2164939/xml.jpg |
| [06:13:17] | iamlindoro: | you do not have the prerequisites to run the grabber script installed |
| [06:13:27] | iamlindoro: | or the ones you have installed are broken |
| [06:13:33] | iamlindoro: | so it's your packager and/or distro's fault |
| [06:13:44] | mangus580: | figures LOL |
| [06:13:52] | mangus580: | oddly, it got the first couple still |
| [06:14:33] | iamlindoro: | because it's a warning and not an error |
| [06:14:41] | iamlindoro: | you should still fix it to avoid the popups, though |
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| [06:17:39] | mangus580: | reading the guide..... basically for mass gathering, I need to setup Jamu? |
| [06:17:57] | iamlindoro: | yes. But I strongly suggest just doing it from the UI instead |
| [06:18:13] | mangus580: | I got a ton to do manually that way LOL |
| [06:18:21] | iamlindoro: | you only do it *once* |
| [06:18:24] | mangus580: | getting a ton of 'not found' too |
| [06:18:37] | DjMadness: | iamlindoro: still no luck... ill try some other film and subs, hopefully i'll get lucky |
| [06:19:41] | iamlindoro: | mangus580, Also covered in the guide... Making me impatient with you here |
| [06:20:07] | matmatmat: | yay |
| [06:20:11] | matmatmat: | its working |
| [06:20:13] | mangus580: | still readding... it was more a comment than a plea for help |
| [06:20:17] | matmatmat: | only kaffeine is not |
| [06:20:21] | matmatmat: | happy day |
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| [06:23:53] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [06:23:59] | sid3windr: | dl.dropbox is a reported attack site :> |
| [06:27:16] | matmatmat: | ya |
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| [06:27:38] | matmatmat: | and im still hungry |
| [06:30:10] | mangus580: | hmmm looks like I need to go through a bunch of my movies and rename them to not hav hte year in them |
| [06:36:01] | sid3windr: | why would you have them year in the name? |
| [06:36:18] | mangus580: | thats how I got some of them |
| [06:36:55] | wagnerrp: | how you 'got' them? |
| [06:37:14] | mangus580: | well... instead of digging out the old VHS... and ripping them to the computer |
| [06:37:20] | mangus580: | I went and grabbed them via torrent |
| [06:39:39] | ghoti: | jpabq, thanks for your antenna pointer. I see from tvfool.com that some of the channels I may want are indeed in "VHF Hi". But I also see some in "VHF Lo". Are these likely to be SD broadcasts? Or perhaps also sent in UHF? I'm not entirely sure of the callsigns, but I expect if I can get "CFTO-DT" in UHF, I can forego "CFTO-TV" in VHF. Does that make sense? |
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| [06:48:44] | jpabq: | ghoti, digital (ATSC) will not go any lower than hi-VHF. So, if you have lo-VHF it must be analog (NTSC). |
| [06:50:29] | jpabq: | ghoti, I have the Winegard HD7694P which has worked very well for me. I have clear line-of-site to the towers, and they are only 15 miles away. |
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| [06:51:20] | jpabq: | ghoti, I am guessing that you are correct about CFTO-DT being the ATSC version of CFTO-TV. |
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| [06:58:58] | sphery: | mangus580: please don't discuss downloading of copyrighted content in here |
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| [07:01:55] | ghoti: | Thanks jpabq. I'm perhaps 8km (5 miles?) from the primary tower, though I'm at the bottom of a hill that's in the way. Another large number of channels get broadcast from a source 90 degrees in another direction, 50km LOS. |
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| [07:02:41] | ghoti: | As for antenna brand/model ... there are way too many reviews out there, and each model seems to have something special about it. I have no idea whether a Winegard would work better for me than a Channel master; I suspect I have alot more reading to do. :/ |
| [07:03:24] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt be necessary to tell you not to admit to illegal activities in a logged channel |
| [07:03:35] | wagnerrp: | especially when you havent even bothered to mask your login |
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| [07:14:30] | ghoti: | If I have multiple back-ends, is it advisable to make one of them a "master" back-end, give it storage, and run a database on it? Or can I safely have all back-ends use an existing database and large NAS for storage? |
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| [07:14:50] | wagnerrp: | you have one master backend, the rest slaves |
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| [07:15:00] | wagnerrp: | you can distribute storage among them as you please |
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| [07:15:11] | wagnerrp: | and the database is independent, it can be put wherever you like |
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| [07:15:43] | ghoti: | Okay. And for storage, can the master backend just use the NAS? I've got lots of disk there, accessible via NFSv3... |
| [07:16:58] | wagnerrp: | each backend must have direct file access to storage |
| [07:17:12] | wagnerrp: | if that is via NFS, that works fine |
| [07:17:18] | ghoti: | Ah, okay. |
| [07:17:30] | ghoti: | So "direct" just means "mounted" in this case. |
| [07:17:35] | wagnerrp: | and each backend must have its own storage group set up |
| [07:17:38] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [07:17:57] | wagnerrp: | direct, through the file system... as opposed to indirect, through mythproto |
| [07:18:06] | ghoti: | Oh, er, I don't know what a storage group is yet. |
| [07:18:08] | ** ghoti reads more ** | |
| [07:21:24] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are just a shared mechanism for listing storage directories in mythtv |
| [07:21:43] | wagnerrp: | it allows you to specify multiple directories, which can be used for load balancing during recordings |
| [07:21:44] | ghoti: | ah. okay, that makes sense. Except that it seems that if a particular back-end is tied to its storage group, multiple back-ends would not be able to access each others' content. Is that true? |
| [07:21:53] | wagnerrp: | as a replacement for requiring a single large RAID array |
| [07:21:57] | sphery: | really you should only define the storage group on the master backend |
| [07:22:13] | sphery: | defining SG's on remote backends just overrides the definition from the master |
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| [07:22:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i thought you had to define one for each machine which would be recording |
| [07:22:23] | sphery: | and if they're identical--same directory--no need to override |
| [07:22:35] | sphery: | nope, they're "inherited" from the mbe |
| [07:22:46] | ghoti: | I have 12TB of storage in ZFS on a FreeBSD-based NAS. I'd prefer to store stuff in one place. |
| [07:23:03] | [R]: | 12tb scares me |
| [07:23:12] | wagnerrp: | what tuners do you have? |
| [07:23:16] | ghoti: | ya, well, I'm not planning to USE it all.. :) |
| [07:23:17] | sphery: | my 6.5TB is almost full |
| [07:23:43] | wagnerrp: | my 5.25 is beyond full |
| [07:23:49] | wagnerrp: | im offloading stuff to old disks |
| [07:23:52] | [R]: | ghoti: what kind of checksumming/redudancy does that zfs provide? |
| [07:23:56] | ghoti: | I've got a couple of old Hauppauge tuners and a possibly-broken HD-5500 that needs testing. And I'm shopping for an antenna and may get other toys. |
| [07:24:11] | wagnerrp: | [R]: similar to raid5/6 |
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| [07:24:29] | [R]: | so can you only lose 1 drive at a time? |
| [07:24:39] | wagnerrp: | 1/2, depending on the level |
| [07:24:41] | ghoti: | [R], my zpool is currently set up with 2 spare 1.5TB drives, and some of the critical data is stored twice in the pool. |
| [07:24:56] | wagnerrp: | ghoti: you might try your hand at getting those hauppauge tuners working under freebsd |
| [07:25:06] | [R]: | i was talking to someoen once |
| [07:25:07] | wagnerrp: | there are drivers available for them, but ive never managed to get them to work |
| [07:25:21] | wagnerrp: | either way, i still have my tunerless freebsd nas as my master backend |
| [07:25:29] | ghoti: | wagnerrp, I had them working under FreeBSD a while back, but what I'm really after is HD these days. |
| [07:26:05] | ghoti: | oh! So ... the master back-end is not a tuner for you. That ... is interesting. |
| [07:26:26] | ghoti: | Can different back-ends run different versions of Myth? The FreeBSD port is only up to 0.21 I think. |
| [07:26:48] | ghoti: | (I don't know what's fixed yet in 0.22; haven't looked that far yet.) |
| [07:27:27] | [R]: | the version has to match |
| [07:27:32] | ghoti: | tnx |
| [07:29:06] | ghoti: | wagnerrp, I see, so your master backend acts basically as the source for SG inheritence on the tuners? |
| [07:31:15] | wagnerrp: | no, because i have SGs defined on my SBE as well |
| [07:31:28] | wagnerrp: | but apparently i can delete them, since its the same path on both |
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| [07:33:26] | ghoti: | so aside as acting for a home for a capture device, what's the purpose of an additional SBE? Can one BE launch transcode jobs on another BE, for example? |
| [07:33:42] | justdave: | is the RSS feed for release-0-22-fixes commits on trac broken or is Firefox's auto feed discovery getting the URL wrong? |
| [07:33:51] | wagnerrp: | the MBE provides all scheduling and UPNP services |
| [07:33:59] | wagnerrp: | SBEs do nothing but provide additional tuners |
| [07:34:04] | ghoti: | gotcha. |
| [07:34:13] | justdave: | if I go to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-22-fixes I get stuff, but when I click the RSS icon in the url bar, I get an empty feed |
| [07:34:18] | wagnerrp: | if you want to run transcode jobs on additional machines without tuners, run mythjobqueue |
| [07:34:36] | sphery: | for me the SBE's provide IDE/SATA ports to plug in additional HDD's |
| [07:34:40] | wagnerrp: | all backends contain a jobqueue |
| [07:34:50] | sphery: | (as well as PCI slots for capture cards) |
| [07:35:29] | ghoti: | sphery, how are you managing your disks? Lustre or equiv, or can the MBE decide where to store stuff somehow? |
| [07:36:56] | sphery: | ghoti: I use completely separate disks and completely separate filesystems. Multiple disk solutions are actually bad for Myth |
| [07:37:33] | justdave: | if I increase the limit 10x, it takes 10 times as long to generate the feed, so I assume that means it's going through the motions on the back end and the output is just broken |
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| [07:37:48] | sphery: | Myth automatically balances filesystem (I/O) usage and by having more filesystems than capture cards, you eliminate the terrible fragmentation you get when recording multiple multi-gig recordings concurrently over the course of an hour |
| [07:38:54] | ghoti: | I think that won't be a problem with an NFS-mounted ZFS pool, though I guess I'll want to play with it... |
| [07:39:07] | sphery: | justdave: I don't know any details, but I do know mythtv.org has been having server issues and they've been disabling and reconfiguring things to try to figure out where the problem is... so, that might not be enabled/working now |
| [07:39:43] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that mythtv frequently syncs the filesystem, which means you can end up with heavy fragmentation |
| [07:39:53] | wagnerrp: | although i have no idea how ZFS deals with fragmentation |
| [07:40:15] | justdave: | ah, that would make sense – drop the rss temporarily if they think people hitting it is pulling the server down |
| [07:41:03] | justdave: | sounds like something I would do :) |
| [07:41:09] | ** justdave is a sysadmin at his day job) ** | |
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| [07:43:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: even without the sync, you'd get fragmentation as the data is dumped slowly over the course of an hour or more and the filesystem can't preallocate exactly the right amount (not even Myth knows how much space will be required when it starts recording) |
| [07:43:59] | ghoti: | ZFS is a COW FS, but it apparently tries to avoid fragmentation by writing different objects to different parts of the pool. I'll look in to it more. |
| [07:44:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so if i just let my SBE inherit my SGs from my MBE, my MBE will be listed as the owner on all those recordings? |
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| [07:45:06] | wagnerrp: | so it will stream from the MBE, rather than the SBE? |
| [07:45:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, the recording host is always the owner |
| [07:45:55] | sphery: | it's just that if you don't define an SG on an SBE, the SBE gets the exact same list of dirs for the given SG |
| [07:45:58] | ghoti: | sphery, can that be changed? What if the recording host is down? Another BE should be able to provide the stream... |
| [07:46:21] | ghoti: | I mean, aside from tuners, if multiple SBEs have identical database and FS access... |
| [07:46:23] | sphery: | i.e. defining an SG's dirlist on an SBE just overrides the global definition |
| [07:47:05] | sphery: | ghoti: if you have all your data in a filesystem accessible from the master backend, you can use the master backend override and it will allow the mbe to serve the files |
| [07:47:20] | ghoti: | ah, perfect. tnx. |
| [07:47:32] | sphery: | ghoti: but if you have an NFS mount of the filesystem on your frontend machine, the frontend will always read the file directly |
| [07:47:39] | sphery: | unless you tell it to always stream from the backend |
| [07:47:55] | sphery: | which you don't need to do if you want to be able to shut down backends and still play their recordings |
| [07:48:00] | sphery: | so you can just use the NFS |
| [07:48:06] | sphery: | or you can use the master backend override |
| [07:48:26] | sphery: | this is what I like to call "The web of confusing settings" |
| [07:48:34] | ghoti: | Ya, I'm picking up on that. |
| [07:49:10] | ghoti: | I suspect I'll be pointing mplayer at items in a "pretty" folder more often than not. |
| [07:49:18] | sphery: | but, hey, we have to keep all the settings that were ever added to Myth because there's one guy who uses that one that no one else cares about |
| [07:49:42] | ghoti: | #ifdef |
| [07:49:44] | sphery: | and he's unwilling to consider doing things differently (even if different can provide a better configuration) |
| [07:51:02] | ghoti: | well ... I'd better head for bed. |
| [07:51:34] | ghoti: | folks, thanks so much for this. |
| [07:52:15] | ** ghoti is consistently amazed at the helpfulness of anonymous strangers in irc. ** | |
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| [08:03:22] | wagnerrp: | hes not anonymous, just well rounded |
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| [08:26:19] | matmatmat: | hm my channel scan wont work |
| [08:26:27] | matmatmat: | i think it never has |
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| [08:43:16] | lyricnz_: | I cant find one channel that I know is there. Suspect local wierdness with dvb/drivers :( |
| [08:43:48] | lyricnz_: | Does mkrufky come here anymore? |
| [08:44:29] | wagnerrp: | !seen mkrufky |
| [08:44:29] | MythLogBot: | mkrufky was last seen 15 days 7 hours 55 minutes 36 seconds ago |
| [08:45:01] | lyricnz_: | Hmmm, not so much then :) |
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| [09:31:23] | mahdi_ja: | hi all. |
| [09:31:44] | mahdi_ja: | i have 9 camera which connected to my system with dvr card. |
| [09:31:53] | mahdi_ja: | can i monitor these with mythtv. |
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| [09:35:33] | sid3windr: | with reasonable certainty I can tell you mythtv is not what you're looking for |
| [09:35:59] | mahdi_ja: | sid3windr: there is any free software for this in linux. |
| [09:36:37] | sid3windr: | dunno |
| [09:36:40] | sid3windr: | zoneminder? |
| [09:38:22] | mahdi_ja: | sid3windr: thank you. |
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| [11:17:15] | chelz: | is anyone else having the site and wiki lag really badly for them? |
| [11:18:31] | antgel: | yes |
| [11:20:56] | chelz: | what is the reason? :( |
| [11:21:39] | gbee: | slashdot, increased wiki traffic since the release of 0.22 etc |
| [11:21:39] | antgel: | slashdot effect. it's better than it has been |
| [11:22:31] | chelz: | oh dang. i didn't know about any release. i just finally got around to planning an htpc. |
| [11:22:50] | chelz: | is it advised to mythbuntu users to install the new release? |
| [11:23:12] | antgel: | i'd advise anyone to use 0.22 over 0.21, many improvements |
| [11:23:56] | chelz: | cool |
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| [11:29:15] | gbee: | those 0.22 may be less stable than 0.21-fixes at least for the first few weeks until the wider testing shakes out any bugs that were missed in the RC stages |
| [11:34:45] | sid3windr: | it's not like you can get .21-fixes up and running in a few first weeks anyway :> |
| [11:35:40] | antgel: | *snort* |
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| [11:53:37] | chelz: | say i wanted to run and go into something like XBMC using just an IR remote, does mythtv have support for doing that or is there some other recommended way? |
| [11:55:18] | tank-man: | you have to setup your remote (lirc) for that |
| [11:55:43] | tank-man: | sounds possible/doable |
| [11:56:57] | gbee: | alternatively you can add custom menu options, but what you are proposing sounds pretty clumsy |
| [11:57:09] | chelz: | the only experience i have so far of a media center experience is through XBMC on an xbox1 where launching another application was as simple as clicking on it and holding down certain buttons at once would go back to xbmc |
| [11:57:48] | chelz: | ah so i guess what i'm thinking of isn't that popular |
| [11:59:08] | gbee: | MythTV tends to build in functionality rather than requiring external applications |
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| [12:00:18] | tank-man: | chelz, not a lot of people do that cause using xbmc would probably just be duping functions |
| [12:02:45] | chelz: | ah |
| [12:03:27] | chelz: | something like a game it probably can't include the functionality of, say stepmania for example. i sure hope there's been some work into switching in and out of other apps. |
| [12:03:47] | chelz: | is mythbuntu or mythdora generally recommended? |
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| [12:06:40] | chelz: | oh also in terms of boxee and netflix support, which is probably the main reason i'd need to switch out of mythtv ever. then some stepmania. |
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| [12:08:47] | gbee: | mythgame, mythflix |
| [12:09:08] | gbee: | not sure where boxee fits in |
| [12:16:42] | chelz: | ah thanks :) |
| [12:16:55] | bedlore: | I assume its okay to paste a single long line here? |
| [12:17:24] | chelz: | mythgame looks cool and i wonder if netflix is or ever has tried to break compatibility with the netflix features around |
| [12:17:33] | chelz: | plugins rather |
| [12:18:34] | gbee: | which bit of netflix were you using? The current plugin was created before they stopped offering video streaming, it's just a queue management app and basic at that |
| [12:18:46] | bedlore: | what would cause this issue? 2009-11–11 22:46:10.570 ERROR when trying to delete file: myth://192.168.1.99:6543/1033_20090821183000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [12:19:43] | gbee: | bedlore: the file has been manually deleted, or the recording failed for some reason before it was even created – file system permissions maybe |
| [12:20:57] | gbee: | chelz: chances are you also want to look at mythvideo |
| [12:21:54] | antgel: | i'm trying to insert ITV HD manually now, as i can't seem to locate it via a scan. i'm reading http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/403417. in the thread, it says look for channel number 10510, yet in the sql queries given, there's no 10510. how come? |
| [12:22:49] | gbee: | antgel: it's there 10510 |
| [12:23:10] | antgel: | gbee: i'm a doofus |
| [12:23:21] | antgel: | serviceid, yes? |
| [12:23:26] | gbee: | yup |
| [12:24:04] | gbee: | if not then you need to scan that multiplex specifically, inserting stuff manually into the database isn't a good idea |
| [12:24:21] | gbee: | same multiplex as ITV 1 CI (Channel Islands) |
| [12:24:28] | antgel: | when i do select * from dtv_multiplex where transportid = 2315;, i get a line returned. also select * from channel where callsign = 'ITVHD'; returns a line. i think i just need to update the latter with the correct foreign key mplexid |
| [12:25:12] | gbee: | the scan won't populate the name/callsign with "ITV HD" they are attempting to hide the channel |
| [12:25:13] | antgel: | gbee: my sql-fu is reasonably good. as i said ^^, i think both lines are in there, but for some reason the mplexid isn't correct in the channel table |
| [12:25:39] | chelz: | ah |
| [12:26:26] | chelz: | i hadn't heard anything about netflix stopping offering video streaming. perhaps they changed formats |
| [12:26:39] | gbee: | antgel: it's not a question of sql-fu, it's just really easy to miss required info or get it wrong, scan should work |
| [12:26:53] | antgel: | gbee: well, i've scanned several times, as per the thread, and i can't see channel 10510. select * from channel where serviceid = 10510; returns nothing |
| [12:27:09] | chelz: | grr site lag |
| [12:27:17] | antgel: | i scanned last night, services set to all, on the relevant transponder, and it just doesn't seem to happen for me |
| [12:27:27] | gbee: | chelz: sorry, I meant 'started', the plugin was written 3/4 years ago as a way to manage your rental selections |
| [12:27:30] | antgel: | gbee: ^^ |
| [12:27:39] | chelz: | ah |
| [12:27:42] | chelz: | ok :) |
| [12:27:43] | gbee: | antgel: 0.21 or 0.22? |
| [12:28:00] | antgel: | gbee: 0.22-fixes |
| [12:28:35] | bedlore: | how do I go about debuging this issue, I had to rebuild my debian OS and now everything in MythTV is working except watching live TV (and it can't record live TV now too) but I can watch existing recordings. |
| [12:28:45] | bedlore: | in the logs I get nothing |
| [12:29:20] | antgel: | gbee: there isn't a lot of feedback from the channel scan, what can i do if it doesn't happen for me apart from shrug my shoulders? |
| [12:29:31] | antgel: | bedlore: does the tv card work with other apps? |
| [12:29:40] | bedlore: | antgel: yes |
| [12:29:48] | gbee: | I don't think Netflix's T&C allow third party applications to use their streaming service, may be wrong, doesn't interest me any as a) I don't live in the US b) I already record more TV each week than I have time to watch c) not that interested in a crappy quality streaming services like iplayer/hulu/netflix |
| [12:29:57] | antgel: | bedlore: can you do a channel scan in mythtv-setup? |
| [12:30:06] | bedlore: | antgel: yes |
| [12:30:45] | gbee: | antgel: if we're not picking up ITV HD with a scan in 0.22 then it's a regression, can you open a ticket and whoever picks it up will tell you what info they need |
| [12:30:52] | gbee: | ? |
| [12:32:28] | antgel: | bedlore: have you tried mythfrontend -v playback? |
| [12:32:37] | bedlore: | no |
| [12:32:41] | bedlore: | I'll try now |
| [12:32:47] | antgel: | gbee: i guess i can do. i always assume that i'm doing something wrong when it doesn't work ;) |
| [12:33:22] | antgel: | gbee: i'll take a database snapshot now as well, incase the dev needs it |
| [12:33:36] | gbee: | I can't remember if I specifically checked ITV HD when testing the DVB-S scanning a few weeks ago |
| [12:34:35] | antgel: | gbee: FYI http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1666362 |
| [12:34:40] | gbee: | I can see why it may fail to insert it, it's effectively disguised as a non-video channel, but you should still be prompted |
| [12:34:47] | bedlore: | antgel: cool, I have an error now :) TV Error: Failed to get recording show list |
| [12:35:05] | antgel: | bedlore: i have no clue at this point but someone else might :) |
| [12:35:22] | bedlore: | thanks, at least I have something to google now |
| [12:35:24] | gbee: | unless you've checked the 'ignore non-video channels' option, or whatever it's called |
| [12:36:34] | antgel: | gbee: no, i specifically scanned "all" as apparently it's MHEG. i was prompted to insert 30 MHEG channels or something but apparently it didn't put two and two together |
| [12:37:22] | antgel: | oh trac, you are so weird |
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| [12:43:55] | antgel: | gbee: just one thing. the first result in http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1666362 was inserted by xmltv with no channel number, as i had channel=hd.itv.co.uk in my .xmltv file. could the existence of that line somehow stop the myth channel scanner putting two and two together? |
| [12:45:05] | gbee: | antgel: possible, I'm not completely up to speed on the new scanner logic |
| [12:45:38] | antgel: | i doubt it does stop it. usually in that scenario, i get the channel duplicated in the listing |
| [12:46:08] | gbee: | scanner was completely re-written in 0.22 |
| [12:46:48] | gbee: | you can't rely on behaviour in 0.21 as an indication as to what the new scanner might do |
| [12:47:20] | chelz: | gbee: all the netflix stuff is for my mom. i'm hoping to set her onto better sources for movies once we have something better than our current home theatre device, a tivo. |
| [12:47:20] | antgel: | i think i saw that in 0.22 as well. pretty sure in fact |
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| [12:54:21] | antgel: | gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7546 |
| [12:54:48] | gbee: | thanks |
| [12:54:55] | antgel: | thank *you* |
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| [13:06:04] | justinh: | well seems like asking people to desist from using #mythtv in their twitter scripts is futile. thanks for ruining a good resource folks |
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| [13:07:34] | chelz: | i was actually surprised to see #mythtv dedicated to development discussion instead of general support |
| [13:07:59] | chelz: | usually when something gets sufficiently popular it has to use a -dev channel |
| [13:08:16] | justinh: | I mean the hashtag not the IRC channel |
| [13:08:28] | justinh: | #mythtv the irc channel came before this one |
| [13:09:34] | chelz: | oh i thought somehow the hashtag was directing people to the #mythtv channel somehow |
| [13:10:55] | ** gbee is clearly falling out of touch with the youth of today ** | |
| [13:11:02] | gbee: | hashtag? |
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| [13:12:09] | gbee: | no wait, I don't care |
| [13:14:27] | gbee: | chelz: it's become a matter of principal and not a little stubbornness that #mythtv remains the developer channel, the more people request/demand/whine that it should be #mythtv-dev the less likely it is to ever happen, can't be seen to give into the mob |
| [13:14:47] | gbee: | users are a little like terrorists in that way ... |
| [13:15:45] | justinh: | gbee: it's a good barometer IMHO, but made totally useless by user job scripts :-\ |
| [13:16:03] | chelz: | i only speak in support of pragmatism. time that is taken to direct uninformed users to another channel is time wasted. but not my call to make. |
| [13:16:48] | justinh: | resistance is futile, both sides say :) |
| [13:17:19] | gbee: | like queing to go through metal detectors and x-ray at the airport |
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| [13:28:53] | ivor: | hmmm. http://www.eldy.eu why limit that to the elderly. I can think of a few linux users who'd be better off with that. |
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| [13:37:52] | antgel: | why is the option to automatically run mythfilldatabase in the frontend? feels more like mythtv-setup material |
| [13:39:27] | antgel: | and does it mean that my frontend has to be running? is crontab the preferred method? |
| [13:41:49] | mchou: | no |
| [13:42:05] | antgel: | no to what? |
| [13:42:09] | mchou: | iirc mythfilldb gets run by the backend |
| [13:42:21] | antgel: | even though the setting is in the frontend? |
| [13:42:23] | mchou: | you dont need it in crontab |
| [13:42:36] | mchou: | assuming you're in the US |
| [13:42:51] | mchou: | elsewhere it might be a different story |
| [13:43:17] | antgel: | .uk, but i don't see why it would matter |
| [13:44:04] | mchou: | it matters because myth deosnt have "direct" support for d/l data in certain locations |
| [13:44:17] | mchou: | doesnt* |
| [13:44:58] | mchou: | all that stuff varies by country and even tv provider |
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| [13:46:47] | mchou: | it doesnt really matter which machine runs mythfilldb as long as it can talk to the machine that the DB is on |
| [13:47:40] | mchou: | so by default most folks run it on the backend |
| [13:55:10] | justinh: | don't think that setting is going to stay in mythfrontend for much longer, if it's not already moved ;-) |
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| [14:29:46] | iamlindoro: | justinh, it's already moved |
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| [14:40:00] | rooter7: | 2009-11–10 19:13:41.272 MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT keylist FROM jumppoints WHERE destination = 'Burn DVD' and hostname = 'cygnus' ;" |
| [14:40:01] | rooter7: | Floating point exception |
| [14:40:25] | rooter7: | 0.22-fixes svn |
| [14:40:41] | rooter7: | Debian Testing |
| [14:41:29] | rooter7: | Backend starts and runs fine, but not mythfrontend. |
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| [14:45:55] | rooter7: | Where can I ask a question like this? |
| [14:45:59] | justinh: | eew http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/10/revie . . . v_navigator/ |
| [14:46:23] | justinh: | rooter7: is there even a hostname 'cygnus' ? |
| [14:47:15] | rooter7: | Yes, that's the HTPC I'm using. |
| [14:47:51] | justinh: | maybe the query isn't the problem |
| [14:48:02] | rooter7: | It just drops dead at that point. |
| [14:48:02] | justinh: | or even the result of the query |
| [14:48:13] | justinh: | try with -v all – or is that with it? |
| [14:48:17] | rooter7: | No idea what comes next. |
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| [14:48:25] | rooter7: | Yes, that's with all |
| [14:48:43] | justinh: | might be helpful if you could pastebin the whole output |
| [14:49:11] | justinh: | as in, paste the whole output into mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [14:49:23] | rooter7: | I've pored through it, and this is the first indication of trouble, but I'll try to pastebin. |
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| [14:54:23] | rooter7: | Bah, the file's larger than 150,000 bytes. |
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| [14:55:02] | justinh: | anyway that division by zero error is coming from somwehere |
| [14:55:43] | justinh: | you might have to get a backtrace via gdb which means building mythtv with debugging support enabled |
| [14:55:53] | rooter7: | OK. I've turned off all the fancy options like faac, etc, but no improvement. |
| [14:55:54] | justinh: | if your packages don't have it available |
| [14:56:34] | rooter7: | And I figured out how the new way to compile plugins and installed those, no improvement. |
| [14:57:26] | rooter7: | Should I fight it out on mythtv-users, or just wait for a newer version? |
| [14:57:43] | justinh: | try to get a backtrace & then try here again |
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| [14:58:05] | rooter7: | Are there instructions? |
| [14:58:16] | justinh: | yeah in the official docs |
| [14:58:24] | justinh: | the troubleshooting section IIRC |
| [14:58:40] | rooter7: | OK, thanks Justin. |
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| [15:07:55] | bedlore: | anyone know what might cause a HDHomerun to be "unavailable" even though setup can scan |
| [15:09:51] | jackflap: | So, this may be a bit of an obscure question, but here goes: |
| [15:10:05] | jackflap: | I want to have two custom menu options that start MythVideo, but that default it to different paths on the filesystem. |
| [15:10:14] | jackflap: | Naturally, I'm using the browse files mode, and I'm currently setting actions on the menu options that update the 'settings' table, altering the VideoStartupDir row with the relevant path before running MythVideo. |
| [15:10:21] | jackflap: | However, once the VideoStartupDir row is updated, I need to restart MythTV before MythVideo will adjust it's startup path. Is there any way to reload the VideoStartupDir when I click on the menu option while MythTV is running? |
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| [15:21:41] | ivor: | hmmm think it's reached that time to uplug all the cables underneath my desk and untangle them. |
| [15:22:18] | danielk22: | ivor: blue smoke? :) |
| [15:22:41] | _ian_: | danielk22, what do you mean by xmltv? sorry for the newbe question |
| [15:23:01] | ivor: | danielk22: just tried to extract a cable.... |
| [15:23:11] | ivor: | all rather knotted. |
| [15:23:17] | danielk22: | _ian_: are you in the US or Canada or elsewhere? |
| [15:23:55] | danielk22: | _ian_: Outside the US and Canada XMLTV is the suite of programs used to get TV Listings into MythTV. |
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| [15:25:41] | janneg: | danielk22: outside of the US xmltv rarely includes channel numbers |
| [15:26:13] | _ian_: | danielk22, im in the Philippines. I do not want TV Listing. I just want to scan the available channel |
| [15:26:47] | _ian_: | danielk22, and in version .22 scan for channel is disable. any tips? |
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| [15:27:31] | janneg: | _ian_: you will be asked for channel information if you import tv listings with new channels |
| [15:28:53] | _ian_: | janneg, what do you mean? what I did is a create Input connection but the button for scan for channel is disable. |
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| [15:29:49] | janneg: | _ian_: the scan for analog channels is broken in 0.22 and thus disabled |
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| [15:30:58] | _ian_: | janneg, oh this is bad :( |
| [15:31:21] | _ian_: | janneg, so no option but to go back to the lower version? |
| [15:31:56] | _ian_: | janneg, or are there work around for this bug? :) |
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| [15:38:50] | danielk22: | _ian_: the easiest thing to do would be to just install 0.21 and scan there, then upgrade to 0.22 — the channels will be preserved. |
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| [16:09:10] | jackflap: | is there any way to clear the settings cache from the command-line? |
| [16:09:38] | jackflap: | (without restarting mythtv) |
| [16:14:04] | justdave: | so, what's the recommended way to quit out of Myth over VNC these days? 0.22 appears to trap Alt-F4 and prevent it from working these days. |
| [16:14:22] | justdave: | Alt-ESC, Meta-ESC, and Control-ESC all seem to get eaten by gnome |
| [16:14:37] | justdave: | if I set it to just ESC, it's too easy to quit from it accidentally |
| [16:15:22] | justdave: | (i.e. with a remote control – rather not be able to quit from it with the remote :) |
| [16:15:56] | wagnerrp: | switch to something non-gnome that doesnt trap them |
| [16:16:05] | wagnerrp: | run in a window from a command line so you can just Control-C |
| [16:16:29] | justdave: | yeah, I was just going to say, bet the official answer is "don't use gnome" :) |
| [16:16:45] | justdave: | mythbuntu uses xcfe by default, probably for that or similar reason I suppose |
| [16:16:52] | wagnerrp: | not the official answer, just thinking of options |
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| [16:17:30] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu defaults to xfce because gnome is massive and completely unused on a dedicated fe/be |
| [16:18:47] | justdave: | yeah, don't use it outside of myth often, but when I do I like being able to find things :| never really figured out xcfe yet (haven't really tried, to be honest, maybe I should one of these days) |
| [16:19:28] | justdave: | for as infrequently as I do it, it's probably not too big a deal to go into the prefs and set it to ESC, then go change it back away from that after I'm done. |
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| [16:20:31] | justdave: | usually just every week or two when I check for package updates |
| [16:22:52] | Douglas77: | Hi everyone, it looks like mythvideo's tmdb.pl stopped working — the API of themoviedb is now at version 2.1, tmdb.pl stilll looks for e.g. /2.0/Movie.search?title=foobar&api_key=c27cb71cff5bd76e1a7a009380562c62, which results in a 404 |
| [16:23:30] | Douglas77: | Where can I find the svn version? |
| [16:24:41] | wagnerrp: | tmdb was down last night for updates |
| [16:24:50] | wagnerrp: | looks like tmdb.pl will need to be updated before it works again |
| [16:25:25] | Douglas77: | ok, just replacing the base URL in the script didn't work *g* |
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| [16:26:26] | wagnerrp: | see if theres a ticket on trac for this, add one if there is not |
| [16:26:38] | wagnerrp: | hold on |
| [16:26:58] | wagnerrp: | no, the site is just still down, and now the API along with it |
| [16:27:09] | wagnerrp: | wait until the site comes back online before doing anything |
| [16:27:58] | wagnerrp: | the API server seems to currently be the generic CentOS 'apache works!' page |
| [16:28:18] | justinh: | ahh that's what's wrong with tvdb.com then |
| [16:28:18] | Douglas77: | Oh, ok, this explains the 404 :) |
| [16:28:30] | wagnerrp: | justinh: tmdb |
| [16:28:40] | Douglas77: | Ok, I'll wait, and if it's still broken afterwards, I'll create a ticket. Thanks! |
| [16:28:42] | justinh: | muh |
| [16:28:51] | wagnerrp: | thetvdb just seems to be slow |
| [16:29:43] | wagnerrp: | Douglas77: you probably dont need to bother with a ticket, the mythvideo dev already knows updates will need to be made to tmdb.pl for the new API |
| [16:29:44] | justinh: | do they have a donate page? |
| [16:29:56] | wagnerrp: | however hopefully, the old API will remain active for the time being |
| [16:29:57] | justinh: | they bloomin well need donations to beef things up |
| [16:30:04] | wagnerrp: | tvdb or tmdb? |
| [16:30:10] | justinh: | both :) |
| [16:30:27] | wagnerrp: | im looking at tvdb's donate page, tmdb... have to see when the page comes back online |
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| [16:32:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Am I reading this right that the python bindings need to have protocol and DB schema versions manually bumped any time they change? |
| [16:32:56] | iamlindoro: | If so, I need to bump both |
| [16:33:09] | defaultro: | good morning folks. Is it worth waiting for NewEgg's Cyber Monday? Do they really have good prices? It will be my first time. |
| [16:33:17] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: protocol, db schema, and mythvideo db schema... correct |
| [16:33:27] | iamlindoro: | yucky yucky |
| [16:33:29] | iamlindoro: | okay, fixing now |
| [16:33:40] | justinh: | themoviedb.org guy says he's spending about $315 a month of his own money. sheesh |
| [16:34:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: the idea being that if they require a manual bump, one goes in and makes sure the bump hasnt broken any of the canned queries |
| [16:34:15] | justinh: | talk about an ideal application for p2p services |
| [16:34:16] | wagnerrp: | if all you did was add rows, it should be fine |
| [16:34:21] | wagnerrp: | s/rows/columns |
| [16:34:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, confirmed that everything (seems to) still work last night |
| [16:34:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: RDV_Linux: fix committed in 22792 |
| [16:35:10] | wagnerrp: | fooey... just updated to 22791 last night |
| [16:36:56] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Thanks will resync again. |
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| [16:37:53] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv schema has changed? not mythvideo? |
| [16:38:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I bumped both |
| [16:38:14] | iamlindoro: | and indicated such in the commit message |
| [16:38:44] | wagnerrp: | im looking back for the commits that actually did the change |
| [16:38:58] | gbee: | heh, M$ have booted 600,000 xbox users off Live for using modified consoles |
| [16:39:05] | iamlindoro: | daniel recently updated the schema (yesterday) and I added new DB stuff for MV last night |
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| [16:40:41] | wagnerrp: | ah, cardinput.... nothing in the bindings that touches that |
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| [16:41:56] | Dubstar_04: | I am trying to update my mythiplayer plugin to work with 0.22, however I have a problem. The internal player is called and starts behind the ui and never receives focus. |
| [16:42:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just bumping the schema in the bindings shouldnt cause any trouble |
| [16:42:19] | wagnerrp: | Dubstar_04: youre running it with 'Internal'? |
| [16:42:33] | Dubstar_04: | yeah |
| [16:43:30] | wagnerrp: | mythiplayer opens a standalone instance of flashplayer, linked directly to the URL of the program |
| [16:43:54] | wagnerrp: | it does not use the mythtv player, and shouldnt have a place to even set one |
| [16:44:20] | wagnerrp: | you need to be running a window manager for focus to shift properly to an external program |
| [16:44:39] | wagnerrp: | or, you can alter the code in mythiplayer to call mythbrowser, rather than the external player |
| [16:44:40] | Dubstar_04: | hang on... I have my own mythiplayer plugin, I have never seen this one you speak of!! |
| [16:44:55] | wagnerrp: | http://code.google.com/p/mythiplayer/ |
| [16:45:36] | Dubstar_04: | ha ha, ive never seen this!! |
| [16:45:40] | gbee: | it doesn't use internal? is using the swf or the flv? |
| [16:45:47] | Dubstar_04: | does this work with 0.22? |
| [16:46:07] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [16:46:30] | wagnerrp: | last updated 2008, probably not |
| [16:47:26] | gbee: | Dubstar_04: what api does the UI for your plugin use? |
| [16:48:28] | Dubstar_04: | umm... not sure |
| [16:48:37] | Dubstar_04: | how can i tell |
| [16:49:05] | gbee: | libmyth or libmythui? What does the xml look like? |
| [16:49:47] | Dubstar_04: | <mythuitheme> |
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| [16:50:09] | mellofone: | does anyone know where the logging options for a backend are stored? |
| [16:50:33] | wagnerrp: | mellofone: theyre not stored anywhere, they are specified on the command line when you run the backend |
| [16:50:41] | mellofone: | the daemon itself seems to log to the log file properly, but if i check the Backend Logs section of mythweb, it errors out |
| [16:50:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning, they will be in whatever script/program runs the backend |
| [16:50:58] | gbee: | Dubstar_04: they all say that, <image or <imagetype? |
| [16:51:08] | wagnerrp: | the backend logs in mythweb are something different from the terminal logs |
| [16:51:22] | mellofone: | ok, so what should be in the logs shown in mythweb? |
| [16:51:30] | mellofone: | it used to work, back when I had like 0.16 or something |
| [16:51:35] | mellofone: | then I changed the backend, and I think that stopped it |
| [16:51:41] | Dubstar_04: | gbee: libmyth then |
| [16:51:43] | wagnerrp: | the database logs |
| [16:51:45] | mellofone: | I just kind of ignored it, but wondered what could have happened |
| [16:51:50] | wagnerrp: | mellofone: have you updated mythweb? |
| [16:52:12] | mellofone: | yup, I just upgraded to .22 in both the backend and mythweb |
| [16:52:20] | gbee: | Dubstar_04: ok, so you need to update the UI to libmythui for 0.22 compatability |
| [16:52:34] | Dubstar_04: | gbee: I am in the process of updating the whole thing |
| [16:53:11] | gbee: | yeah, the video won't appear in front of the UI until it's updated |
| [16:53:37] | Dubstar_04: | I have actually gotten rid of almost the whole ui so far and intend to replace all the images with shapes |
| [16:54:34] | mellofone: | wagnerrp: good, you are stumped too, it's not just me :) |
| [16:55:00] | wagnerrp: | im stumped because you havent really given any information |
| [16:55:10] | wagnerrp: | if mythweb is not working, you need to check the apache logs |
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| [16:55:19] | iamlindoro: | Dubstar_04: Well, the UI and the theme are abstracted from one another-- use of images/shapes/etc. should be left to the themer-- the UI itself in MythUI defines the required UI elements like buttons, buttonlists, and any truly required text areas, and the themer decides how those look/where they go/etc. |
| [16:56:10] | mellofone: | no no |
| [16:56:13] | iamlindoro: | Depending on how much there is going on the the UI, it could be quite simple or quite complicated-- if the plugin is based on an existing plugin, you might look at how the conversion to MythUI worked for what it is based on |
| [16:56:19] | mellofone: | everything works fine, recording, mythweb, scheduling, the works |
| [16:56:30] | mellofone: | just not the "Backend Logs" section in mythweb |
| [16:56:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, but no mythweb logs |
| [16:56:36] | iamlindoro: | ie if it's based on MythNews, check out the MythNews MythUI conversion to get a general sense of where to go with it, etc. |
| [16:56:36] | wagnerrp: | that is the database log |
| [16:56:40] | mellofone: | if I click that, it comes up empty |
| [16:56:43] | mellofone: | so what should be in there? |
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| [16:56:56] | wagnerrp: | completely independent from the backend log file and verbosity specified on the command line |
| [16:57:14] | wagnerrp: | if there is nothing in that table, there will be nothing in those logs |
| [16:57:35] | wagnerrp: | if there is something in that table, you need to check the apache logs to see why mythweb's database query failed |
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| [16:57:42] | mellofone: | ok |
| [16:58:07] | mellofone: | I'll search the table list and see if there is anything obvious |
| [16:58:19] | gpd: | suggestions for why I am no longer able to record bbc1/2 ? Get empty files... |
| [16:58:32] | iamlindoro: | the channels moved and you didn'tt rescan, usually |
| [16:58:34] | gpd: | trying to do full channel rescan goes straight to 'finish' |
| [16:58:48] | wagnerrp: | then apparently your tuner is no longer working |
| [16:59:26] | gpd: | wagnerrp: do you mean hardware? i have two cards and both show same effect... |
| [16:59:37] | wagnerrp: | have you updated anything recently? |
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| [16:59:54] | mellofone: | looks like the mythlog table is completely empty |
| [17:00:19] | gpd: | nothing that isn't in the usual repositories on ubuntu 8.10 |
| [17:02:01] | gpd: | s/8.10/9.04/ |
| [17:02:05] | Douglas77: | I just donated 5$ to themoviedb.org guy: http://www.themoviedb.org/content/Donate |
| [17:02:27] | wagnerrp: | the page is back up so as to donate? |
| [17:02:32] | dmz: | ok so i've converted to 0.22 and now can't get tmpdb.pl to work; i am getting that 2.0/Movie.search doesn't exist |
| [17:02:34] | dmz: | any suggestions? |
| [17:02:35] | gpd: | is there a way to do channel scan other than in the mythtv-setup pages? |
| [17:02:49] | wagnerrp: | dmz: tmdb is currently down |
| [17:02:53] | Douglas77: | The donation page works, haven't checked out the other parts :) |
| [17:03:00] | dmz: | well that explains a lot |
| [17:03:08] | wagnerrp: | still says its undergoing maintenance for me |
| [17:03:10] | dmz: | any reasons? |
| [17:03:56] | wagnerrp: | oh, i guess that 'page is down for maintenance' is just a suggestion that you do not continue onto the normal site |
| [17:04:10] | wagnerrp: | well thats certainly funky |
| [17:04:17] | dmz: | ah looks like they changed their format |
| [17:04:34] | dmz: | it's no longer 2.0/Moviesearch, it's 2.1//Movie.search/en/xml/APIKEY/ |
| [17:04:35] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the API servers are down, its a known/non-issue |
| [17:05:41] | Douglas77: | dmz: Exactly, but it doesn't give any results back right now, so we'll have to sit still and wait :) |
| [17:06:08] | wagnerrp: | neither the old 2.0 format, nor the new 2.1 format work |
| [17:06:22] | ** gpd is tempted to upgrade to ubuntu 9.10 as system is busted anyway... ** | |
| [17:06:26] | wagnerrp: | although it looks like it will be up soon |
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| [17:06:55] | dmz: | will tmdb need to be updated? |
| [17:07:01] | dmz: | or will it "just work" when ready? |
| [17:07:07] | wagnerrp: | hopefully the 2.0 mode will continue to work |
| [17:07:23] | gbee: | the 2.0 api should continue to be valid |
| [17:07:28] | wagnerrp: | looks like the 2.1 method is live |
| [17:08:07] | gbee: | Travis is really shooting himself in the foot, he's been offered support from SD more than once |
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| [17:08:30] | gbee: | wonder if the new API includes certification |
| [17:08:38] | dmz: | another question; should I migrate all my videos into a storage group? is that necessary for the fun fanart & other stuff to work? |
| [17:08:47] | wagnerrp: | certification? |
| [17:08:55] | gbee: | wagnerrp: MPAA etc |
| [17:09:21] | mangus580: | dmz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [17:09:29] | wagnerrp: | i see no references to such a thing |
| [17:09:30] | mangus580: | tells there i think |
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| [17:10:00] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: no, themoviedb is currently down for updates, causing the tmdb.pl grabber to be broken |
| [17:10:11] | dmz: | when is 0.23 scheduled? |
| [17:10:25] | wagnerrp: | feature freeze next february |
| [17:10:25] | dmz: | mangus580, so yes i "should" migrate video into strorage pool |
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| [17:10:33] | mangus580: | when did that happen? |
| [17:10:43] | gbee: | although I strongly pushed for him to support a universal certification/rating system based on a locale provided by the grabber e.g. those in the UK would get BBFC ratings |
| [17:10:46] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind, didnt see his second question |
| [17:10:49] | dmz: | so 3–4 months until i can play ISO files & external video players |
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| [17:11:04] | wagnerrp: | dmz: you dont need storage groups for anything |
| [17:11:13] | wagnerrp: | the only thing they allow you to do is not run NFS |
| [17:11:14] | dmz: | what about cover art/fanart/etc |
| [17:11:28] | gbee: | are we ever going to support external players + remote storage groups? Seems like a natural point to drop that nonsense |
| [17:11:31] | dmz: | it seems that the local frontend settings are overriding the use of groups for those |
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| [17:11:38] | wagnerrp: | will all function with the old settings fields if you fill them in |
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| [17:11:56] | dmz: | so if i remove the old settings it'll use the storage groups for fanart/etc? |
| [17:11:58] | wagnerrp: | gbee: if you get ISOs working over SGs, its fairly trivial at that point to support external players |
| [17:12:12] | gbee: | wagnerrp: granted, but why bother? |
| [17:12:14] | wagnerrp: | dmz: if you define the necessary storage groups |
| [17:12:27] | wagnerrp: | and rescan (flushing all existing metadata in the process) |
| [17:12:31] | dmz: | yes they are defined; just trying to get them to work :) |
| [17:12:41] | wagnerrp: | do you have ISOs? |
| [17:12:47] | Douglas77: | tmdb 2.1 seems to be up and running, returned data is formatted differently though :( |
| [17:12:49] | dmz: | a few but i can convert to AVI |
| [17:12:55] | dmz: | if i want to watch them |
| [17:13:09] | wagnerrp: | Douglas77: yeah, went live about 10 minutes ago |
| [17:14:20] | dmz: | vncvso under general settings for video, remove any listings for "Directory that holds movie/TV".... stuff (make them blank) and it'll use storage groups if they exist |
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| [17:17:23] | dmz: | and is there a menu option to have it get art/etc for tv recordings or is that "automatic" |
| [17:17:44] | wagnerrp: | 'w' grabs data, or you can go through the menu |
| [17:17:55] | wagnerrp: | if you want massed grabbing, you need to use jamu |
| [17:17:57] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yes, ratings/certification is in the 2.1 API |
| [17:18:34] | dmz: | wagnerrp yeah i got the video side; what about recording details (series / fanart / etc) for recordigns, not videos |
| [17:18:42] | wagnerrp: | looks like the movie i searched doesnt have the rating specified |
| [17:18:46] | wagnerrp: | got a '0.0' |
| [17:18:48] | dmz: | wagnerrp and jamu only works if videos are in storage pools |
| [17:18:58] | iamlindoro: | dmz: wrong |
| [17:19:07] | dmz: | which is wrong? |
| [17:19:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro: system based, or US-centric? |
| [17:19:14] | iamlindoro: | Jamu works just fine with local storage |
| [17:19:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee: That I don't know |
| [17:19:25] | wagnerrp: | jamu only works on the local storage |
| [17:19:31] | dmz: | iamlindoro ok what options should i pass to it? it doesn't seems to find the videos |
| [17:19:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: also wrong :) |
| [17:19:44] | wagnerrp: | you can run it with storage groups, but then you still have to run it on the machine holding the storage |
| [17:19:48] | iamlindoro: | Jamu works fine with both Storage Group and local video storage |
| [17:19:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: didnt let me finish |
| [17:19:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: that part is true :) |
| [17:20:04] | wagnerrp: | it only works with local files |
| [17:20:13] | gbee: | since MPAA ratings are useless anywhere else in the world (US censors have very different values) |
| [17:20:14] | dmz: | i must have missed something then |
| [17:20:44] | Douglas77: | I started adapting tmdb.pl, have to leave now though, so if someone wants to continue hacking: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1666704 |
| [17:21:30] | iamlindoro: | don't waste time with tmdb.pl |
| [17:21:40] | iamlindoro: | it will likely be replaced for the 2.1 API |
| [17:21:44] | iamlindoro: | s/likely// |
| [17:22:27] | wagnerrp: | any particular reason? or it will just be easier to rewrite it than clean it up? |
| [17:22:39] | iamlindoro: | Among other things |
| [17:22:47] | gbee: | iamlindoro: the old tmdb.pl queried more times than really seemed necessary because we were working to the assumption that the imdb id would always be used instead of using the tmdb numbers, did that ever get fixed? |
| [17:22:59] | iamlindoro: | New script will also include support for IMDB->TMDB number transition |
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| [17:24:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Well, it still runs two queries internally to get everything, but I have reduced the hits on their server by 2/3rds in trunk-- and the replacement script will smoothly transition everyone to tmdb numbers and return all results available instead of just the IMDB ones |
| [17:24:04] | dmz: | whenever i try to run jamu i get "No valid video files found" but i don't see an option to tell it where the local files are, if i try to use a path it wants to copy; any suggestions? |
| [17:24:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro: iirc it used to be three queries, but I could be wrong |
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| [17:25:36] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Well, depends how you look at it-- right now there are three *total* queries to get *everything*, 1) a search for the film, and 2) two internal queries to return all info including the fanart, poster, etc. |
| [17:25:42] | gbee: | well maybe search + 2 for data |
| [17:25:49] | gbee: | heh, yeah |
| [17:26:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Versus the .22 version which is A search, a data query, a fanart query, a poster query, etc. |
| [17:26:33] | gbee: | doesn't that increase the load? |
| [17:26:40] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
| [17:26:44] | gpd: | is .22 worth the upgrade in the face of spouce angst? |
| [17:26:58] | gbee: | gpd: only you can answer than question |
| [17:27:02] | gbee: | that |
| [17:27:06] | iamlindoro: | gbee: the new improvements in trunk substantially improve it, though |
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| [17:27:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee: And we'll have it down to two queries by .23 |
| [17:27:19] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: You can tell what directories Jamu is looking at by running "./jamu -Mf". You will get a long list in alphabetical order but look for "mythvideo" that will list the video directories, |
| [17:27:19] | wagnerrp: | gpd: load up a test box, try it out for a bit |
| [17:27:22] | iamlindoro: | a search, and a grab |
| [17:27:25] | gbee: | ok, I'll take your word for it |
| [17:27:43] | gpd: | wagnerrp: it is a shame that the .22 frontend is not compatible with .21 backend for testing... :( |
| [17:28:08] | gpd: | wagnerrp: but yes – can try it without any TV feeds i guess |
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| [17:29:04] | wagnerrp: | well this is interesting.... |
| [17:29:38] | wagnerrp: | apparently when you use those exoskeleton suits, your brain automatically recognizes that your legs are doing nothing, and cuts circulation/oxygen to them |
| [17:30:14] | wagnerrp: | so when you take it off after prolonged use, your legs are weak and useless for a couple minutes |
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| [17:31:35] | squidly: | wagnerrp: really? |
| [17:31:38] | squidly: | wow that is nuts |
| [17:31:47] | squidly: | perhaps they need to set set to offer minor resistance |
| [17:34:18] | laga: | wagnerrp: url? |
| [17:34:39] | wagnerrp: | http://gizmodo.com/5401918/ |
| [17:35:31] | laga: | neato |
| [17:36:11] | dmz: | what does this mean? Warning: There were no missing interef video files found |
| [17:36:46] | wagnerrp: | dmz: all your content has already been grabbed |
| [17:36:58] | wagnerrp: | metadata for all, so nothing to update |
| [17:37:16] | dmz: | hmm i have a bunch of stuff w/no meta data; I assume can i force it to redo |
| [17:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Or you're trying to run an interactive session and everything already has an inetref |
| [17:37:36] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: It means that you are using interactive mode (-MI) and you already have all your TVDB/IMDB number set. I you want to just update the metadata then run (-MV) options |
| [17:37:59] | dmz: | ah got it; thanks |
| [17:38:14] | RDV_Linux: | s/I you/If you/ |
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| [17:40:13] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: You may be getting less metadata then you expect because of issues with your video file names. Adding the -V (verbose) option will give you a lot of information to analyze, |
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| [17:40:33] | gpd: | rescanned but still not getting lock on BBC1 :( |
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| [17:41:26] | gpd: | any other digital switch over stuff that might be causing grief? |
| [17:41:46] | gpd: | most channels seem ok – not bbc1/2 |
| [17:42:04] | gpd: | regular tv also had same problem but rescan fixed that |
| [17:47:26] | BlueCamel: | I thought I was buying a remote. Turns out I bought a keyboard/mouse. |
| [17:47:49] | BlueCamel: | ARC-1100 remote is really a IR keyboard/mouse combo |
| [17:51:40] | dmz: | :( images.thetvdb.com not found :( |
| [17:51:47] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Golffies |
| [17:51:52] | iamlindoro: | Wow, that's a pretty bug Myth gettogether |
| [17:52:28] | dustybin: | all i need is a chair and a new 1080 monitor |
| [17:53:04] | laga: | um, that's damn awesome! |
| [17:53:06] | laga: | iamlindoro: i' |
| [17:53:14] | laga: | d love to have an office like that |
| [17:53:40] | wagnerrp: | fourth picture, what is that rag that guy has around his neck |
| [17:54:00] | wagnerrp: | its like something to protect his shirt from the greasy headphones |
| [17:54:37] | Dubstar_04: | any shed anymore light on this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 40?page=last |
| [17:54:38] | iamlindoro: | dmz: Your copy of Jamu is old |
| [17:55:14] | Dubstar_04: | those frequencies dont seem to find any channels |
| [17:55:38] | wagnerrp: | 24" 1080p dell for $180... |
| [17:55:50] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: As iamlindoro wrote you need to update your install. Are you using Mythbuntu? |
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| [17:56:36] | wagnerrp: | and several bluray on amazon for $9-$10 |
| [17:57:20] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: If you are using Mythbuntu you can get all the 0.22+fixes through this official Mythbuntu link: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
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| [18:00:49] | dmz: | RDV, i'm not using mythbuntu; but i am using ubuntu :) |
| [18:02:11] | iamlindoro: | regardless, if you got myth as a package, you should use the nightly build from above |
| [18:02:22] | dmz: | any idea if the mythbuntu stuff can work on my existing box or should i build a new one as mythbuntu & migrate it |
| [18:02:31] | dmz: | ok let me find nightly build stuff |
| [18:02:32] | iamlindoro: | because ubuntu/mythbuntu pushed out prerelease software with multiple issues, especially a nasty bug with Jamu |
| [18:02:38] | dmz: | ah |
| [18:02:40] | iamlindoro: | dmz: Just click RDV_Linux's link |
| [18:03:04] | iamlindoro: | And yes, the ubuntu mythtv packages are provided by mythbuntu, so same things |
| [18:03:05] | dmz: | i did but wasn't sure what i was gettig from there :) |
| [18:03:31] | dmz: | i gues i need the mythbuntu repo package |
| [18:03:31] | iamlindoro: | you download the autobuild deb and install it, and it will ask you if you want the nightly builds of fixes or trunk, you choose fixes |
| [18:03:42] | iamlindoro: | then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, and you should end up with current .22-fixes |
| [18:03:58] | iamlindoro: | which should also include current jamu |
| [18:04:10] | dmz: | 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 so it's not that version then |
| [18:04:12] | iamlindoro: | (which will solve your image.tvdb.com issue, but also a much nastier issue in your copy of Jamu) |
| [18:04:44] | dmz: | cool thanks |
| [18:04:55] | iamlindoro: | Your current version is about 50 bugfixes ago |
| [18:06:46] | dmz: | so i assume i don't want to try 0.23 yet |
| [18:07:12] | gbee: | 0.22 has been out 3 days ... |
| [18:07:33] | ** laga hugs gbee ** | |
| [18:07:50] | dmz: | :( it doesn't have any updates after running update/upgrade :( |
| [18:08:55] | iamlindoro: | dmz: #ubuntu-mythtv will be a better place to follow up, but I'd suspect something went wrong in installing their autobuild package |
| [18:09:07] | dmz: | probably |
| [18:09:15] | iamlindoro: | You installed, it popped up a menu asking if you wanted to use fixes or trunk, etc.? |
| [18:09:16] | dmz: | i'm just gonna grab the files off repo manually |
| [18:09:29] | dmz: | it actually didn't ask about fixes or trunk; only about 0.23 or 0.22 |
| [18:09:43] | iamlindoro: | okay, they probably changed the language since last I looked |
| [18:10:11] | dmz: | yeah it asked about version (22/23), repo (us/uk/etc) and if i wanted to activate ppa |
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| [18:10:43] | iamlindoro: | dmz: What version of ubuntu are you running? |
| [18:10:54] | iamlindoro: | Maybe the auto builds only work with the current version |
| [18:11:06] | dmz: | i see what it is |
| [18:11:18] | dmz: | i'm on 22594, the mythbuntu release is 22550 |
| [18:11:24] | iamlindoro: | anyway, the long and the short is that you want a released version of .22, which yours is not |
| [18:11:48] | dmz: | i'm on karmic |
| [18:11:56] | dmz: | just did the upgrade last night |
| [18:11:57] | iamlindoro: | more specifically, you want one >- 22766 |
| [18:12:01] | iamlindoro: | er >= |
| [18:12:07] | dmz: | i don't see that in their list :( |
| [18:12:42] | iamlindoro: | TTBOMK they produce builds nightly |
| [18:12:53] | iamlindoro: | possible the mirror in question isn't getting updated? |
| [18:12:56] | iamlindoro: | ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [18:13:51] | superm1: | latest build is 0.22.0+fixes22783–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu4 for karmic |
| [18:14:02] | superm1: | i see it on the PPA mirror. are you on a different one? |
| [18:15:13] | ghoti: | Has anyone here built a front-end on a beagleboard? |
| [18:16:42] | ghoti: | just wondering if there's enough CPU to make it practical. |
| [18:16:44] | dmz: | ah i see; i'm using old legacy stuff; not specific "mythbuntu" but the mythvideo & all other stuff; guess i need to redomy myth box |
| [18:17:36] | superm1: | dmz, just apt-get update/upgrade and you'll get the newer builds |
| [18:17:44] | superm1: | no needs to redo the whole box |
| [18:18:05] | superm1: | the idea with those nightly builds is that you can track 0.22-fixes |
| [18:18:44] | dmz: | superm1 i'm not running mythbuntu; just ubuntu with the myth packages installed; so it doesn't have the nightly packages there only mythbuntu (from what i'm seeing) |
| [18:19:09] | superm1: | dmz, those packages on the autobuilds can be used on an ubuntu box |
| [18:19:44] | superm1: | mythbuntu and ubuntu use the same base repos for the OS |
| [18:19:52] | dmz: | superm1 i know; i am very very familiar with deb formats; the problem is for some reason the karmic has 22594 version |
| [18:20:07] | superm1: | i know, 0.22 wasn't ready when karmic launched |
| [18:20:24] | superm1: | that's why there are newer versions available on the auto-builds |
| [18:20:30] | dmz: | so i can't update/upgrade becuase it doesn't seem to see the 22766 version out there |
| [18:20:45] | superm1: | which mirror did you pick from the auto builds? |
| [18:20:50] | superm1: | it's possible that there is a mirror problem |
| [18:20:51] | dmz: | US |
| [18:21:02] | superm1: | and you've ran apt-get update since then? |
| [18:21:03] | dmz: | deb http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/trunk-0.22/ubuntu karmic main |
| [18:21:05] | dmz: | yes |
| [18:21:19] | superm1: | okay, run "dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos" and pick the PPA |
| [18:21:30] | superm1: | i'll investigate the US mirror and see if something is broke later today |
| [18:21:30] | ghoti: | what's the preferred linux+myth solution if I'm starting from scratch? mythbuntu? knopmyth? mythdora? Are there real benefits to installing the packages myself on a "stock" install of some distro? |
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| [18:21:42] | dmz: | http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ . . . tu2_i386.deb |
| [18:21:44] | dmz: | 22550 |
| [18:21:54] | dmz: | it odesn't have 22766 or what it's suppose to have |
| [18:21:57] | dmz: | guess i'll try another mirror |
| [18:22:01] | superm1: | Yeah, it sounds like something went wrong with the US mirroring |
| [18:22:18] | superm1: | last time that happened it was because / filled up, hopefully that's the only problem :) |
| [18:22:33] | dmz: | any idea who runs the mirror? |
| [18:22:41] | superm1: | its actually hosted on atrpms |
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| [18:23:11] | superm1: | but i manage the mirroring cron job and stuff |
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| [18:24:03] | ExElNeT_: | any idea on this one? http://pastebin.com/m513a9697 the format line in mythtv.py seems wrong. |
| [18:24:05] | superm1: | oh wait, US, actually that's daviey. mine is de now |
| [18:24:18] | superm1: | i'll ping daviey |
| [18:24:31] | dmz: | that got it |
| [18:24:35] | dmz: | changed to only ppa |
| [18:25:12] | dmz: | hate sounding like a neophite when it was not me :) |
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| [18:28:37] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: That was a fix that needed to get backported to -fixes, which is now done. Current fixes has the typo fixed |
| [18:28:58] | iosonoio: | hi! i'm wondering how can setup mythtv to auto download the epg. I can't get it work xmltv |
| [18:29:29] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: or simply fix the typo for yourself locally: |
| [18:29:29] | iamlindoro: | - string += BACKEND_SEP + locale.format("%0.6f" %self.stars) |
| [18:29:30] | iamlindoro: | + string += BACKEND_SEP + locale.format("%0.6f", self.stars) |
| [18:30:50] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: yeah i already did that... :=) |
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| [18:31:10] | iamlindoro: | Heh... "I attempted to install the linked MythTV binary and Norton Antivirus flagged several of the DLLs as trojan horses. Can somebody else test the installer and see whether it's a false positive or in fact a virus?" |
| [18:31:22] | iamlindoro: | This is what happens when you let third parties distribute binaries.. |
| [18:32:04] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: now i am here: http://pastebin.com/m60fa8741 |
| [18:32:40] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: Never even heard of the script you are using, so I can't really help you.. except to say that you need to have a UTF-8 locale set up and appear not to |
| [18:33:14] | iamlindoro: | ie you're trying to export a character that your locale settings can't represent |
| [18:33:47] | ** ghoti yearns for good ol' 7-bit ASCII ** | |
| [18:33:54] | dmz: | hmm my wife won't like me, jamu didn't find any match for "Oprah Winfrey" :( |
| [18:34:24] | iamlindoro: | dmz: She gets mad when you don't read the docs too? I like her already :) |
| [18:34:30] | dmz: | :) |
| [18:34:34] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: the script: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6680 ok i ll check my encoding |
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| [18:34:51] | dmz: | ok which docs should i read then :D |
| [18:35:02] | iamlindoro: | dmz: Oprah Winfrey at tvdb = "The Oprah Winfrey Show" |
| [18:35:10] | iamlindoro: | so read the jamu docs regarding title overrides |
| [18:35:21] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: locale |
| [18:35:32] | dmz: | ah :) |
| [18:35:36] | iamlindoro: | actually, the jamu and mirobridge wiki give pretty good tips on settings locale, too |
| [18:35:48] | dmz: | i have read about title overrides |
| [18:35:54] | dmz: | just didn't know that was one of them :) |
| [18:36:00] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: Did you check if TVDB even has it? The tite there is "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and do what iamlindoro just wrote |
| [18:36:22] | dmz: | i didn't check; this is new for me :) |
| [18:36:26] | dmz: | thanks |
| [18:36:34] | iamlindoro: | It's okay, you just have to pay it forward |
| [18:36:36] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: Damn users ;) |
| [18:36:41] | dmz: | :) |
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| [18:36:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, help with Jamu newbies so that RDV_Linux, me, and wagnerrp can take a vacation :) |
| [18:36:52] | dmz: | don't worry when someone asks that quetsion in 3 days i'll be here to asnwer |
| [18:37:10] | RDV_Linux: | In a mental facility ;) |
| [18:37:19] | dmz: | isn't _everyone_ (other than developers) new to jamu? |
| [18:37:44] | EvilGuru: | Although I doubt Mythbuntu will ship with 0.22 until quite some time, how hard is the 0.21 => 0.22 upgrade process, DB and config wise? |
| [18:38:03] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: No there is a growing army of the disenchanted ;) |
| [18:38:11] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: Mythbuntu already ships with (almost) .22 |
| [18:38:25] | dmz: | heh, i'm not disenchanged; actually i like the challenge and it gets me away from real work for a bit |
| [18:38:29] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro: Is that 9.10? As if so I'll upgrade my 9.04 box |
| [18:38:32] | iamlindoro: | it's a few days shy of the release, but it's awful close-- and they're shipping nightly builds of .22-fixes |
| [18:38:34] | dmz: | who wants to buidl firewalls & monitor IDS when you can tune mythtv |
| [18:38:48] | RDV_Linux: | dmz: Totally joking. |
| [18:39:02] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: Yes, 9.10.. but if you upgrade, please please immediately enable their nightly fixes PPA and update, because there are crucial fixes there |
| [18:39:50] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: locale is fine now... still the same error :/ |
| [18:40:07] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: If you get the same error, then your locale is not fine |
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| [18:41:28] | dmz: | is graphite the only theme that supports all the fanart/banners/etc so far? |
| [18:41:36] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: locale is fine... ;/ maybe i ll reboot the machine later |
| [18:41:49] | justinh: | dmz: nope |
| [18:42:03] | dmz: | which others can i try? |
| [18:42:16] | justinh: | blue-abstract-wide |
| [18:42:22] | justinh: | mythbuntu |
| [18:42:35] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: No, seriously. If you're still getting the error, then your *locale is not fine* |
| [18:42:37] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro: Sounds great, I'll do that in the next couple of weeks |
| [18:43:31] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: maybe... thats why i ll try a reboot later ... http://pastebin.com/m5eacba8e |
| [18:43:46] | iamlindoro: | Arclight! |
| [18:43:56] | justinh: | hrm. think I might rip out all the preview graphics in Concept's button lists |
| [18:43:56] | iamlindoro: | I think Arclight makes the bestest use of all the artwork, evar! |
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| [18:44:38] | dmz: | lol...just caught the art for colbert report |
| [18:44:59] | iamlindoro: | The one with him as the WoW character, with the sword? |
| [18:45:28] | dmz: | yeah |
| [18:45:46] | iamlindoro: | Funny what you get sometimes :) |
| [18:46:07] | iamlindoro: | Also irritates me what some people upload as fanart for some less popular series (particularly cooking shows) |
| [18:46:55] | Dagmar: | Is there a URL for that? |
| [18:47:06] | ExElNeT_: | some people have wives :=P |
| [18:47:43] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/79274-3.jpg |
| [18:48:10] | justinh: | tv cooking shows. meh |
| [18:48:36] | dustybin: | does any other pvr out there use fanart? |
| [18:48:57] | dustybin: | windows mce? |
| [18:48:59] | iamlindoro: | SageTV does in their "alternate" interface |
| [18:49:04] | iamlindoro: | but that's basically it |
| [18:49:09] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:49:16] | dustybin: | nice |
| [18:49:41] | ** dustybin submits fanart patch to windows mce svn ** | |
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| [18:50:47] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: do you run svn server for themes? |
| [18:50:54] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [18:51:02] | dustybin: | interesting |
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| [18:51:30] | justinh: | dustybin: I told you already, you don't have the know-how :P |
| [18:51:32] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: do you test your themes on a crt ? |
| [18:51:38] | dustybin: | heh |
| [18:51:38] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [18:51:43] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:52:00] | dustybin: | i wonder what percentage of mythtv users use crt |
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| [18:52:06] | justinh: | I do, but only because *I* still use a CRT |
| [18:52:11] | dustybin: | i do to |
| [18:52:26] | ghoti: | dustybin: I only got an LCD TV 2 months ago... |
| [18:52:30] | dmz: | what? no fanart for aqua teen hunger force! |
| [18:52:32] | dustybin: | nice |
| [18:52:59] | justinh: | nice if you like LCD TVs:) |
| [18:53:06] | dustybin: | my next mission will be setting up a svn server for local use |
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| [18:53:25] | Dagmar: | Wow. |
| [18:53:28] | Dagmar: | That Colbert fan art is win |
| [18:53:29] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [18:53:53] | justinh: | still have yet to be sold on the whole artwork thing |
| [18:54:12] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/log.png |
| [18:54:14] | iamlindoro: | Proof! |
| [18:54:36] | dustybin: | haha interesting |
| [18:54:44] | justinh: | be nice if I had frickin PLOT info in my metadata first. grrr |
| [18:55:02] | dustybin: | what advantages does one have when using svn for local use? |
| [18:55:14] | justinh: | dustybin: what do you think? jees man |
| [18:55:21] | justinh: | version control is version control |
| [18:55:21] | dustybin: | ive never used it |
| [18:55:36] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:55:44] | justinh: | means you get to keep every single revision you ever check in |
| [18:55:49] | ExElNeT_: | hmm whats happens if two subsequent recordings overlap each other on the same channel by a few min? e.g. setting earlier start and end? |
| [18:55:58] | justinh: | and if you check in regularly enough, that could be every little change |
| [18:56:08] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:56:43] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: If you don't have more tuners, or if there aren't other showing, you get a conflict |
| [18:56:46] | justinh: | hmm I do have plot info for some videos. maybe the text area name changed |
| [18:56:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: description |
| [18:57:03] | iamlindoro: | justinh: changed to make textarea namings consistent |
| [18:57:20] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: where are all your warez in the dock? |
| [18:57:26] | justinh: | heh I just checked the db & figured it'd changed |
| [18:57:31] | iamlindoro: | ie instead of plot some places and description others, description across the board |
| [18:57:45] | justinh: | iamlindoro: fair nuff |
| [18:57:58] | justinh: | description being more generic :) |
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| [18:58:04] | iamlindoro: | description textarea The plot/description of the selected item N |
| [18:58:07] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:58:25] | iamlindoro: | (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video-ui.xml) |
| [18:58:40] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: well i dont have a conflict... |
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| [18:58:57] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: congrats, then? |
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| [18:59:32] | justinh: | hmm this PBB screen is way too busy now |
| [19:00:45] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: I got the e-mail re: possible scanner loop, just haven't had a chance to take a look yet, only got back into town last night-- not ignoring you |
| [19:01:12] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: not really since there should be one :=) so mythtv does not have this cool feature to handle this situation by sharing the overlapping minutes? |
| [19:01:23] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [19:01:43] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: Depends on the tuner device-- beleive with the right settings there is limited softpadding ability with digital tuners |
| [19:01:43] | ExElNeT_: | i guess not... so there must be something wrong with my setup... |
| [19:02:01] | justinh: | MOARTUNERZ ! |
| [19:02:18] | iamlindoro: | But trust that the scheduler is smarter than most of the people in the channel, so if it says you have no conflict, the odds are you really have no conflict |
| [19:02:19] | Dagmar: | All that will do is guarantee that one recording will definitely have stuff on it that it doesn't need |
| [19:02:20] | justinh: | because NO TV ever runs on time 100% of the time |
| [19:02:24] | Dagmar: | _Set your clock correctly_ |
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| [19:02:49] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: its dvb-s(2) with two satellites... (1 device) but mythtv displays two devices in mythweb ;/ this might be the problem |
| [19:02:54] | justinh: | BBC channels used to til they palmed off playout to Red Bee media :-\ |
| [19:02:54] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: don't worry only cc'ed you as I was sending off-list, I was planning to look at it or at least get him to give useful info |
| [19:02:55] | Dagmar: | ...as in set up NTP to manage your clock. Problem solved |
| [19:03:29] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Cool, thanks |
| [19:03:52] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT_: MythTV displays two devices because two encoders is the default for multirec capable cards |
| [19:03:56] | ExElNeT_: | my clock is fine. ntp fine |
| [19:04:13] | ** justinh longs for the show start/end flags of DVB-T to be integrated with xmltv EPG data ** | |
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| [19:04:39] | ** iamlindoro strongly suggests waiting and seeing what it does-- which is likely exactly the right thing-- sphery knows how the global/rule specific padding works with digital cards better than I, he can probably explain it ** | |
| [19:04:39] | ExElNeT_: | iamlindoro: so my card rocks? (1 card 1 cable 1 switch 2 satellites) |
| [19:04:56] | iamlindoro: | No, your card behaves exactly as every other digital device does in Myth |
| [19:05:30] | justinh: | ExElNeT_: by default each digital tuner behaves as TWO devices which can use channels from the same transponder |
| [19:05:43] | justinh: | you can change that up to five – or more if you hack the code |
| [19:05:50] | dmz: | hey y'all, thanks for helping i can now play w/what fanart & other stuff can do |
| [19:06:12] | justinh: | so if the overlapping recordings are on channels from the same transponder, there'll be no conflict :) |
| [19:06:33] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: so my card records those two shows a few minutes simultaneously? |
| [19:06:39] | justinh: | yup |
| [19:06:49] | justinh: | depending on the padding type |
| [19:06:58] | ExElNeT_: | cool. ok wahts padding? |
| [19:07:09] | justinh: | padding is start early / end late |
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| [19:07:16] | iamlindoro: | which can be a global or a rule specific value |
| [19:07:24] | justinh: | hard padding is where you set start eary/end late on a recording rule |
| [19:07:25] | iamlindoro: | each of which behaves differently |
| [19:07:33] | justinh: | soft padding is where you set a global setting IIRC |
| [19:07:47] | justinh: | or maybe the other way around |
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| [19:48:51] | wagnerrp: | justinh: thats the basic premise behind software-driven tuners |
| [19:50:05] | whoDat_: | anyone ever use the svideo port on hd-5500? |
| [19:50:12] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to |
| [19:50:27] | whoDat_: | why? |
| [19:50:39] | ExElNeT_: | sphery: ah ok... well i have a nice sql statement which does this for me... the per rule thing :=) |
| [19:50:53] | wagnerrp: | the hd-5500 is a framegrabber |
| [19:51:29] | whoDat_: | I have video working but not audio |
| [19:51:54] | trumee: | /msg NickServ identify qwerty |
| [19:52:19] | justinh: | /msg nickserv ghost trumee gwerty |
| [19:52:20] | wagnerrp: | i see london, i see france, i see trumee's password |
| [19:52:21] | sphery: | ooh... I could become trumee, now |
| [19:52:27] | trumee: | :) |
| [19:52:42] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: and how does that effect my use of the svideo port? |
| [19:52:52] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: the audio issue is one of the tribulations that all mythtv framegrabber users suffer |
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| [19:53:18] | whoDat_: | lol |
| [19:53:18] | wagnerrp: | if youre just doing this for a one time thing, capture a VHS tape or something, go for it |
| [19:53:25] | justinh: | hmm I made an animated pacman type icon. wonder what I can uise that for |
| [19:53:27] | wagnerrp: | if you want permanent analog, get a PVR card |
| [19:53:33] | wagnerrp: | mpeg encoder |
| [19:53:44] | trumee: | ok doing this solved the problem http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379594#379594 |
| [19:54:01] | trumee: | can imdb fetch posters from tmdb> |
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| [19:54:41] | wagnerrp: | trumee: imdb pays for posters, why would they get them from tmdb? |
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| [19:54:48] | whoDat_: | hmm |
| [19:55:14] | whoDat_: | wagner: are you ultimately getting at the fact that the video files will be larger from the hd-5500, or what? |
| [19:55:15] | trumee: | sorry, my bad. can mythweb fetch posters from tmdb. |
| [19:55:46] | wagnerrp: | trumee: at the moment, i do not believe so |
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| [19:56:23] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: what im ultimately getting at is that if you intend to capture analog for use with mythtv, you dont want to have to dick around with a framegrabber |
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| [19:57:43] | ghoti: | wagnerrp, so if one wanted to convert a pile of video tapes, it would be better to get something like a Hauppauge 150 than to framegrab and transcode? |
| [19:58:20] | ghoti: | how much of a quality difference is there between software that runs on a chip versus ffmpeg/mencoder ? |
| [19:58:21] | whoDat_: | wgnerrp: hmm it didn't seem that hard to set up, I already have video working. |
| [19:58:38] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: you already have video working, now you have to do audio |
| [19:58:50] | wagnerrp: | does the chip have onboard sound capture? |
| [19:59:06] | wagnerrp: | do you have to route it through your sound card? (limiting you to a single tuner per PC) |
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| [19:59:16] | wagnerrp: | what drivers do you need for it? |
| [19:59:27] | wagnerrp: | what OSS dsp input does it get routed through? |
| [19:59:40] | trumee: | /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -M "Australia" , Unable to contact themoviedb.org while retrieving movie list, stopped at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl line 329. |
| [19:59:46] | trumee: | what does that mean? |
| [19:59:55] | iamlindoro: | curse these plain english error messages |
| [20:00:03] | iamlindoro: | it means it was Unable to contact themoviedb.org while retrieving movie list |
| [20:00:06] | Dagmar: | reeding iz hard? |
| [20:00:07] | wagnerrp: | ghoti: technically, ffmpeg and a framegrabber may very well be better quality than a PVR card |
| [20:00:18] | iamlindoro: | ie, can't contact TMDB |
| [20:00:24] | wagnerrp: | i certainly have heard disparaging remarks about the tuner quality on the PVR cards |
| [20:00:38] | wagnerrp: | but its all about ease of use |
| [20:00:48] | trumee: | but the website works? |
| [20:00:49] | wagnerrp: | with the PVR cards, you 'cat' it to an mpeg file, and youre done |
| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | thats it |
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| [20:00:59] | iamlindoro: | trumee: the website and the API are independent of one another |
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| [20:01:07] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: okay. so I would have to route it through the sound card, and then choose alsa:default for the card in mythtv-setup, rather than /dev/dsp1? |
| [20:01:08] | iamlindoro: | we don't scrape the web site, we access the API |
| [20:01:21] | trumee: | so the api is broken for now? |
| [20:01:25] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: in the frontend, that is audio output |
| [20:01:32] | iamlindoro: | s/broken/down/ |
| [20:01:33] | wagnerrp: | you need to set up the input for the card in mythtv-setup |
| [20:01:57] | iamlindoro: | trumee: strongly, strongly advocate donating to TMDB to improve this kind of situation in the future |
| [20:02:06] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: i have a pvr-500, but i want to use both it's tuners. i read somewhere i cant use both the tuners and svideo off it all wired up at once. |
| [20:02:27] | Dagmar: | People read a lot of things. |
| [20:02:29] | wagnerrp: | the pvr-500 has two inputs |
| [20:02:30] | Dagmar: | Most of them are bullshit. |
| [20:02:50] | Dagmar: | If you want to try to record from three things at the same time on a card that only has two tuners, you have failed. |
| [20:02:57] | Dagmar: | Turn in your computer operator's licence. |
| [20:03:03] | wagnerrp: | you can record two of whatever you want, simultaneously |
| [20:03:04] | gbee: | if you haven't already, donate $5–50 dollars to TMDB, there isn't anyone here who can't afford it |
| [20:03:34] | ** iamlindoro donated $100 early this year ** | |
| [20:03:34] | wagnerrp: | two things off the tuner, two things off the capture inputs, or a mix, it doesnt matter |
| [20:03:48] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: in other oords, i dont think i can set up all 3 input connections at once for the pvr-500 in mythtv-setup (tuner 1, tuner 2, and svideo 1) |
| [20:03:55] | wagnerrp: | you just need a daughter card to access the second encoder (and bypass the second tuner) |
| [20:04:24] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: you put them into an input group, so mythtv knows not to use both at the same time |
| [20:04:35] | Rigor_M: | Hi, If I'm going to have only 1 frontend on my network, is it better to have the backend + frontend on the same machine ? |
| [20:04:35] | wagnerrp: | mythtv may do that automatically, i dont know |
| [20:04:42] | ** gbee also donated earlier this year, although he can't remember the amount ** | |
| [20:05:06] | wagnerrp: | gbee: they running out of time to pay bills or something? |
| [20:05:19] | iamlindoro: | gbee: wonder is people would get PO'd if I mentioned that we should support the sources on the list |
| [20:06:07] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: okay. i dont mind if i cant record svideo and both tuners all at the same time. i thought hooking up svideo completely disabled one of the tuners. must have read it wrong. |
| [20:07:03] | wagnerrp: | no, you can switch between inputs at will |
| [20:07:05] | gbee: | I'm thinking that SD should offer a mirror for subscribers |
| [20:08:16] | sphery: | the biggest problem is the copyright questions |
| [20:08:21] | gpd: | i am lost – still no bbc1/2 despite successful rescan on both my dvb-t cards – wtf ave they done to the signals!? |
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| [20:09:29] | iamlindoro: | gbee: We had e-mails back and forth with the tvdb guys, but I think xris/SD have some concerns re: legitimacy of the content |
| [20:09:37] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Ones that I don't forsee us ever overcoming |
| [20:10:01] | iamlindoro: | Sent a message re: supporting the grabber sources to the list, they can hang me for it if they like |
| [20:11:15] | whoDat_: | wagner: so i could technicly get away with using my sound cards aux input, and still use svideo from the 5500.. since the pvr-500 tuners dont need the sound card... right? |
| [20:12:06] | wagnerrp: | you could, but the recommended course is just to buy more PVRs |
| [20:12:32] | gpd: | there was a switch on Nov 4/5 of my transmitter – winterhill – most posts say that rescan fixes – but my mileage varies :( |
| [20:12:45] | Dagmar: | Rest assured that tmdb is just waiting to be slapped down by lawyers |
| [20:12:48] | Dagmar: | "Fan art" or not |
| [20:12:54] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: no more available slots |
| [20:13:03] | whoDat_: | unless.. you mean a usb pvr ;) |
| [20:15:12] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Thankfully it's not hosted in the US, and the site runners aren't american |
| [20:15:25] | iamlindoro: | So if anyone did want to go after them, they'll have a much harder time of it |
| [20:15:56] | gpd: | looks like i have multiple entries for the same channel in my channel sql table |
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| [20:18:44] | gpd: | fyi: reason for not being able to scan was MONIT restarting backend... |
| [20:19:15] | gpd: | deleted freeview – which removed all channels from mysql table |
| [20:19:22] | gpd: | fingers are now crossed |
| [20:22:19] | Dagmar: | If things go smoothly tonight I'll write up how to set up NTPd in the wiki |
| [20:25:14] | gpd: | fix0red! :D |
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| [20:36:40] | matmatmat: | whats hotkey to fast forward in mythfrontend? |
| [20:37:54] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [20:39:16] | matmatmat: | whats so funny about that question |
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| [20:40:46] | justinh: | gpd: you just got round to rescanning now? jees man |
| [20:41:13] | justinh: | gpd: they've moved all the muxes around. the main bbc mux is no longer at 754166670 |
| [20:41:15] | sphery: | matmatmat: ignore me if you got the answer when I was netsplit, but use MythControls (Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys) to find out. |
| [20:41:34] | justinh: | gpd: there's a users ailing list post about it |
| [20:41:38] | sphery: | matmatmat: it's in TV Playback context |
| [20:41:50] | justinh: | heh ailing list. I like that typo |
| [20:42:07] | sphery: | justinh: heh, "users ailing list"--that's where users post complaints about whatever's ailing them? |
| [20:42:33] | justinh: | gpd: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . hill;#406140 |
| [20:43:27] | iamlindoro: | Love that the "TMDB is down oh NOES!" thread came immediately upon the heels of a call to support them |
| [20:43:35] | justinh: | gpd: in my case I deleted all my channels & transports, then did a full scan. ended up with six muxes instead of just five |
| [20:44:16] | justinh: | if only there were a lawyer who could say yay or nay re mirroring tmdb & tvdb |
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| [20:44:44] | justinh: | gpd: where the extra one (yes, now there are only five) is not wanted cos they'll be dumping that on 2nd Dec |
| [20:44:49] | sphery: | what's up with the call to support them? doesn't anyone believe in the ideals of free software, anymore--you know, that you steal all the data and movies and ... that you can get your hands on |
| [20:44:54] | justinh: | turning it over to 'HD' |
| [20:44:59] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's exactly opposite the ideals of free software |
| [20:45:08] | justinh: | sphery: free as in not pay for anything :) |
| [20:45:17] | justinh: | a la what 95% of all windows users do |
| [20:45:38] | sphery: | that's a good point... it seems that Windows is more of a "free" operating system than GNU/Linux |
| [20:45:44] | justinh: | windows is a free OS dontcha know |
| [20:45:46] | sphery: | I guess we'll just have to settle for being "Free" |
| [20:45:55] | Dagmar: | Well, it's free if you pay attention |
| [20:46:00] | justinh: | Photoshop.. free! |
| [20:46:07] | justinh: | Adobe premiere.. free! |
| [20:46:23] | Dagmar: | Microsoft gave away slightly more than 2,318 licences for Windows 7 Professional here a couple of weeks ago |
| [20:46:27] | sphery: | All the movies/TV ever made.. free! |
| [20:46:43] | Dagmar: | They're so interested in getting people using Windows 7 they were actually having "install fests" on college campuses like this one. |
| [20:46:51] | justinh: | Dagmar: they inadvertently gave away quite a lot a while back |
| [20:46:54] | Dagmar: | If you brought your machine in on the right day, they would actually install Windows 7 for you |
| [20:46:58] | ** sphery assumes MS didn't give licenses for movies or music or scraping IMDB or ... ** | |
| [20:47:07] | Dagmar: | justinh: eh? |
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| [20:47:20] | justinh: | Dagmar: yeah MSDN passes |
| [20:47:27] | Dagmar: | What abvout them? |
| [20:47:37] | Dagmar: | MSDN subscribers have always had access to free everything |
| [20:47:43] | Dagmar: | MSDN on the other hand, is far from free |
| [20:47:47] | justinh: | yeah but these were free subs |
| [20:48:01] | Dagmar: | Ooo |
| [20:48:15] | Dagmar: | I didnt' know they gave away a bunch of free subs |
| [20:48:17] | justinh: | they got on top of it after a couple of days, but not before I snagged a few ISOs & licence keys |
| [20:48:18] | Dagmar: | Someone should tell me next time |
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| [20:48:35] | justinh: | last one I tried activated just fine too |
| [20:48:37] | Dagmar: | ISOs I can get. Licences are another matter |
| [20:49:05] | justinh: | when I say a while ago I think it was back in May/June sometime |
| [20:49:19] | Dagmar: | I'm in the process of collecting a set of Windows 7 ISOs so I can compare the various editions of the DVDs |
| [20:49:48] | sphery: | in "[mythtv-users] How to avoid upgrade headaches", "So I was wondering, what do you guys do to avoid this constant "upgrading" problem." --> where's f-myth-users reply, "I'm still using MythTV 0.18.1"? |
| [20:50:15] | justinh: | hmmm something is telling me inkscape isn't the best program to be working on animated icon sequences with |
| [20:50:32] | Dagmar: | That depends |
| [20:50:37] | gbee: | no? |
| [20:50:43] | sphery: | justinh: blender! |
| [20:50:47] | justinh: | if you just want rotatating thingies.. sure |
| [20:50:54] | gbee: | guess it depends on the sequence |
| [20:50:57] | Dagmar: | If you don't mind exporting frame by frame and then stitching them together with something else, it's great |
| [20:51:11] | sphery: | justinh: you could make an elephant... with a dream... hmmm. |
| [20:51:11] | justinh: | I was trying to get a little pacman to eat a dollar sign |
| [20:51:16] | justinh: | tricky ;) |
| [20:51:25] | Dagmar: | If you just want to rotate something, export one image extra jumbo sized as PNG and then do the rest in Gimp |
| [20:51:46] | justinh: | nah there's tiled clones for that in inkscape |
| [20:52:06] | justinh: | and of course group it with an invisible rectangle & centered |
| [20:53:35] | sphery: | floating point exception in the MythNews DB schema upgrade? |
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| [21:04:23] | Rigor_M: | Hi, If I'm going to have only 1 frontend on my network, is it better to have the backend + frontend on the same machine or still have 2 machines ? |
| [21:05:15] | wagnerrp: | Rigor_M: its all personal preference |
| [21:06:21] | Rigor_M: | ok, but I mean, for performace wise |
| [21:06:28] | Rigor_M: | performance* |
| [21:06:48] | wagnerrp: | what performance are you looking for, specifically? |
| [21:07:24] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners and mpeg encoders take next to no processor |
| [21:07:36] | wagnerrp: | scheduling takes power, but only in short bursts, and infrequently |
| [21:07:42] | wagnerrp: | commflagging and transcoding takes power |
| [21:07:56] | Rigor_M: | In my current setup, I have a dual core Atom with HyperT for the backend and a dualcore Atom with Nvidia and VDPAU enabled frontend. |
| [21:08:31] | Rigor_M: | I wont commflag and transcode. I can do the transcode on another machine if I need to |
| [21:08:53] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to manage much in the way of commflagging or transcoding with either of those machines |
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| [21:09:09] | Rigor_M: | I have a couple of 1080p film, they work great on the VDPAU enabled machine |
| [21:09:11] | Wicked: | my back/front end is also my desktop and it all works fine...only thing that kinda sucks is when transcoding or commercial flagging....it uses alot of cpu. |
| [21:09:11] | justinh: | sphery: these icons will have better dialogue than that bloke wot says "emo" |
| [21:09:59] | sphery: | heh. I still haven't watched Elephant's Dream |
| [21:10:04] | sphery: | I'll have to do that soon |
| [21:10:18] | iamlindoro: | It's 10 minutes of your time you'll never get back |
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| [21:10:45] | Dagmar: | sphery: I am SURE you'll be able to spot the problem with it's design once you've submitted yourself to it's tender mercies |
| [21:11:13] | Dagmar: | Basically, hundreds of people were allowed to diddle, fiddle, putter, and fine-tune every little detail and then add more detail |
| [21:11:30] | Dagmar: | At no point, however, did anyone ever become charged with overseeing questions like: |
| [21:11:34] | Dagmar: | "Is this interesting?" |
| [21:11:39] | Dagmar: | "Does this make any sense?" |
| [21:11:46] | Dagmar: | "What the hell are we doing again?" |
| [21:12:42] | Dagmar: | Big Buck Bunny did not suffer from this |
| [21:13:13] | Rigor_M: | the transcode is transforming the MythtV format to another format right ? (just to be clear) |
| [21:13:26] | Dagmar: | There is no 'mythTV" format |
| [21:13:37] | Rigor_M: | well the MPEG2 format |
| [21:13:47] | Dagmar: | "the transcode" does whatever you set it up to do, which could even be "a whole lot of nothing" |
| [21:14:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode will do lossless mpeg2 to mpeg2 for commercial clipping |
| [21:14:18] | wagnerrp: | or it will do lossy (anything) to mpeg4 in a nuv |
| [21:14:54] | Rigor_M: | ok, basically, a feature I dont use but can be very pratical ;-) |
| [21:15:06] | wagnerrp: | the lossless is very quick, lossy is not |
| [21:15:21] | justinh: | practical – yeah if you like your video grungy |
| [21:15:26] | wagnerrp: | and there is limited utility in transcoding all your stuff to nuvs |
| [21:16:01] | Rigor_M: | Is there a adventage to turning the files into nuvs ? |
| [21:16:15] | iamlindoro: | 100% more Nuppel |
| [21:16:21] | wagnerrp: | you get to not play them in any other system, hardware or software |
| [21:16:47] | justinh: | and going from a lossy format to an even more lossy format is.. erm.. yeuch |
| [21:16:51] | Rigor_M: | so short answer is: no hehe |
| [21:17:23] | wagnerrp: | i.e.... 'limited utility' |
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| [21:19:19] | Rigor_M: | I watch, record playback and listen to videos on my NAS server, so I think that in my case, on dont need a power house.. the Atom processor with nvidia VDPAU could do the trick in a BE/FE solution. |
| [21:19:20] | henkie_: | hi, i recently installed mythtv 0.22, and browsing through the programming guide is really slow, is there some way to speed this up? |
| [21:19:40] | henkie_: | i already ran mysqloptimize, but that didnt do the trick |
| [21:20:08] | iamlindoro: | You have icon permission/mount issues |
| [21:20:18] | wagnerrp: | Rigor_M: commflagging will be slow, but otherwise you should be fine |
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| [21:20:38] | Rigor_M: | I flag the commercial |
| [21:20:44] | wagnerrp: | of course youre not currently using any system with considerable power in your current setup |
| [21:20:53] | wagnerrp: | so it wont make any significant difference |
| [21:20:53] | Rigor_M: | I like commercials *joke* |
| [21:21:11] | iamlindoro: | your channel records point at the absolute path for the icons, but the backend/frontend cannot find them. Mount them in that location in all locations. An outside chance that you have icon cache permissions issues, but likely the former |
| [21:21:20] | Rigor_M: | woups, I mean, I DONT flag the commercials |
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| [21:22:18] | wagnerrp: | why not? the commflagger should work about as well on canadian broadcasts as US ones shouldnt it? |
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| [21:22:50] | Dagmar: | It'll just be inexplicably behind a US comflagger |
| [21:24:11] | Rigor_M: | wagnerrp thats a good question, I guess I never activated the feature.. I could as well try it and see what power it consumes on the cpus |
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| [21:25:46] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mythtv default to commflagging all recordings? |
| [21:26:50] | Rigor_M: | it does ? |
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| [21:27:32] | Rigor_M: | while its recording or after ? |
| [21:27:35] | sphery: | there's a per-backend setting to allow commflagging, there's a per-recording-rule setting to enable commflagging, and there's a per-channel setting to mark channels commfree (and override the host/rule commflag settings) |
| [21:27:36] | Dagmar: | After |
| [21:27:44] | Dagmar: | You have a flip a bit to make it do them aggressively in realtime |
| [21:27:47] | sphery: | though it can be while recording |
| [21:28:03] | Rigor_M: | its nice to know |
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| [21:28:37] | ]Oscar: | mythvideo & storage group: to work, i must install mythvideo also on MBE, correct? |
| [21:28:59] | sphery: | I don't see the setting for near-real-time flagging, anymore |
| [21:29:51] | Dagmar: | ]Oscar: For what reason? |
| [21:30:13] | sphery: | ah, found it... still there |
| [21:31:00] | ]Oscar: | I don't know, I supposed that.... to access video from a FE that doesn't have mounted the NFS export, for example... |
| [21:31:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats because youre still watching your three year backlog |
| [21:31:31] | justinh: | don't think you need mythvideo installed on a backend for that |
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| [21:31:40] | justinh: | but even if you do.. so what? |
| [21:32:02] | wagnerrp: | when you have straight months worth of recorded content, its not such a pressing issue |
| [21:32:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah... real-time flagging isn't important to me (though I do have it enabled, because, why not) |
| [21:32:15] | sphery: | after all, I'd /never/ run myth on an underpowered system |
| [21:32:15] | ]Oscar: | I was just reading this: "advantages: No need to set up network mounts of any kind. " on MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [21:33:10] | wagnerrp: | i just wish they would make mini-itx systems as cheaply as they make micro-atx ones |
| [21:33:45] | wagnerrp: | ive got several tvs id like hooked up to myth, none of them needing tuner cards |
| [21:34:31] | justinh: | ]Oscar: apart from for ISO files |
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| [21:36:15] | ]Oscar: | justin: yes. but the question is: how does it works? I supposed that content is server from a correspondent mythvideo plugin on the MBE, where the SG definition reside... |
| [21:36:41] | wagnerrp: | no, it just uses the built in capacity for storage groups |
| [21:36:58] | wagnerrp: | the same thing that will stream recordings from the backend |
| [21:37:21] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple additional commands to get directory listings for doing a scan |
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| [21:37:44] | wagnerrp: | and its bidirectional, so it can upload images to the remote storage group |
| [21:38:26] | ]Oscar: | wagnerrp: so,.. I don't need the plugin on MBE, I can just define the SG, ad automagically it works? |
| [21:39:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no plugin on the BE, just define the necessary storage groups in mythtv-setup as per the transition guide |
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| [21:39:41] | ]Oscar: | ok. thanks :) |
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| [21:57:52] | wagnerrp: | heh... according to alexa.org, mythtv.org dropped to 1/3 its average site rank as a result of the slashdotting |
| [21:58:26] | sphery: | site rank showing usage? |
| [21:58:51] | wagnerrp: | site rank being 1-inf, 1 being the most visited website |
| [21:59:05] | mangus580: | keep in mind, alexa only tracks (from what I read) users visiting, who have the alexa toolbar |
| [21:59:13] | wagnerrp: | went from 50–60k down to 20k |
| [21:59:25] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:59:40] | sphery: | and with the website issues, that's pretty impressive |
| [22:00:56] | wagnerrp: | seems were big with the 25–34 crowd |
| [22:01:19] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats the crowd young techie crowd that has money to spend on computer hardware? |
| [22:01:36] | wagnerrp: | ...get rid of that first crowd |
| [22:03:08] | sphery: | versus the crowd that has no money that uses an alternate media center that has no qualms about supporting piracy? |
| [22:04:02] | justinh: | erm.. they actually say on their forum that they don't condone any illegal activity |
| [22:04:37] | wagnerrp: | well the only difference between those crowds are the tuner cards, which are relatively cheap in comparison to several computers and vast amounts of hard drives |
| [22:04:37] | wagnerrp: | and the TVs... |
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| [22:05:44] | wagnerrp: | they have built in support for playing media from zip/rar archives |
| [22:05:50] | wagnerrp: | how is that not condoning illegal activity? |
| [22:06:08] | iamlindoro: | And the parsing of common theft groupnames out of filenames |
| [22:06:33] | iamlindoro: | and the parsing of nfo files |
| [22:06:48] | iamlindoro: | and the inclusion of scripts that violate ToS |
| [22:06:54] | justinh: | doesn't mean they condone illegals |
| [22:07:05] | wagnerrp: | well the ToS stuff technically isnt illegal |
| [22:07:08] | justinh: | just means they're not hard-line anti |
| [22:07:17] | justinh: | and the ToS stuff is out of the window apparently |
| [22:07:34] | iamlindoro: | justinh: IMO when you add features that specifically enhance the enjoyment of thieves, you're complicit |
| [22:07:51] | justinh: | til the lawyers go after em.. the jury is out :) |
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| [22:08:16] | wagnerrp: | rather, features that would be of no use to anyone but thieves |
| [22:08:30] | sphery: | justinh: I think you mean, "they actually say on their forum just enough to CYA" |
| [22:08:33] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There's illegal, and there's morally questionable |
| [22:08:38] | iamlindoro: | IMO neither is acceptable |
| [22:08:50] | iamlindoro: | It's not enough to do what's legal-- you have to do what's *right* |
| [22:09:21] | sphery: | If you always do what's right, there's no piracy /left/... |
| [22:09:28] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [22:09:31] | iamlindoro: | yarrrrrr |
| [22:10:22] | wagnerrp: | well if you always do 'whats right', there would be a lot of burned out mansions |
| [22:11:57] | justinh: | time to watch this week's dozeworthy FlashForward |
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| [22:12:35] | wagnerrp: | are you ahead or behind us? |
| [22:12:41] | justinh: | behind |
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| [22:14:38] | sphery: | watching a recording fromwhen there was a storm in the viewing area and they keep cutting to the weather center. The last one cut there for >5mins, then returned the the "regularly-scheduled programming" /immediately/ when the commercial break began. |
| [22:14:55] | iamlindoro: | Ah, helpful for when you want historical weather reports |
| [22:15:04] | sphery: | and here I thought the show was the regularly scheduled programming |
| [22:15:31] | sphery: | heh, yeah--the weather info is useless |
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| [22:18:39] | gbee: | well that's interesting ... Dollhouse failed to record on Monday, recorder issue, no problem because there was a repeat on Wednesday (today) ... only it's no longer there |
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| [22:19:09] | sphery: | gotta love those last-minute broadcast schedule updates |
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| [22:22:29] | gbee: | looks like they've dropped the repeats entirely, you either see it on Mondays or not at all |
| [22:22:40] | gbee: | s/see/record/ |
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| [22:23:00] | gbee: | ah well, wasn't really getting into it anyway |
| [22:24:25] | wagnerrp: | man, if only mythtv had recording sharing |
| [22:25:21] | Phluid: | is tmdb down or just me? |
| [22:25:53] | wagnerrp: | their 2.0 API (the one mythtv uses) is not currently online |
| [22:26:09] | Phluid: | okay, thank you |
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| [22:27:40] | ** kormoc proposes changing the topic to "Yes, it's just you, and no, we won't change it" ** | |
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| [22:31:30] | iamlindoro: | So, thoughts-- What about in MythVideo, if a query for a show fails, having the grabber optionally return the URL to create the record, and present the user with the option-- if the user chooses to do so, spawn MythBrowser and go straight to the create link for that item. |
| [22:35:34] | sphery: | I like it |
| [22:35:55] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, me too... |
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| [22:36:39] | kormoc: | And suddenly TMDB is full of adult videos... |
| [22:37:56] | wagnerrp: | im thinking there should be some 'allow creation' option, a global toggle to show that popup |
| [22:38:06] | wagnerrp: | but to be honest, its been a long time since ive seen one tmdb didnt have |
| [22:38:26] | wagnerrp: | the occasional popup would be a bearable annoyance |
| [22:38:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: You get a popup when a query fails anyway |
| [22:39:05] | iamlindoro: | This would just change the content of the popup and present the option to prevent it in the future |
| [22:39:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought you only got one when it crashed |
| [22:39:13] | sphery: | no new settings, please! |
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| [22:39:24] | iamlindoro: | Nope, you get a "no results found" or somesuch |
| [22:39:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, that was the other problems |
| [22:40:19] | wagnerrp: | well theres also the issue of false negatives |
| [22:40:38] | iamlindoro: | Sure, but nothing a stern warning on the popup can't mostly solve |
| [22:40:39] | wagnerrp: | movies that use a word instead of a number, or are missing an apostrophe or something |
| [22:40:42] | sphery: | kormoc: oh master of all things PHP and MythWeb... pleae lend me your wisdom to help me figure out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407161#407161 |
| [22:41:02] | ** iamlindoro wonders if someone is just trying to play devil's advocate or something ** | |
| [22:41:07] | sphery: | kormoc: is that some kind of SELinux type "you can't change the TZ under which your program runs" thing? |
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| [22:41:23] | wagnerrp: | i mean the popup should have a couple options, 'do nothing', 'pop up grabber website', 'alternate word search', 'direct id entry'.... |
| [22:41:27] | Dagmar: | SELinux won't block that afaik |
| [22:41:30] | sphery: | i.e. user's system is configured to disallow feature then complains when feature doesn't work |
| [22:41:38] | sphery: | something seems to be blocking it |
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| [22:41:54] | sphery: | if no SELinux, then some PHP security or Apache security or ... |
| [22:41:59] | Dagmar: | "'EST/-5.0/no DST'" is not a valid timespec at all |
| [22:42:16] | sphery: | yeah, there's that, too |
| [22:42:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Anyway, when you create a movie at TMDB, it already searches and says, "is your movie one of these?" |
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| [22:42:43] | wagnerrp: | oh, was not aware of that |
| [22:42:49] | Dagmar: | It looks like it's just complaining that the user set a foolishly wrong timespec to me |
| [22:42:52] | sphery: | and that's something that could only be reported by mythbackend as the time zone if the user did something stupid--like put an invalid TZ spec in a TZ variable |
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| [22:43:00] | kormoc: | sphery: uhh... |
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| [22:44:02] | Dagmar: | Well, it looks like Bobby at least didn't use two impossibly stupid user/pass combinations |
| [22:44:12] | Dagmar: | ...I just hadda try |
| [22:44:42] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:44:51] | sphery: | I just replied asking if he set a TZ value |
| [22:45:34] | sphery: | I'll bet that he did because some cluele^H^H^H^H^H^Husers in the mythbackend CPU usage thread were saying that the CPU usage is due to not having TZ set properly. |
| [22:45:44] | Dagmar: | Could be worse |
| [22:46:12] | sphery: | when, really, IMHO, it looks like a broken libc... Wonder if eglibc--Debian/Ubuntu's new "Forget Ulrich" libc--is broken. :) |
| [22:46:41] | sphery: | broken libc causing the 100% CPU usage on idle |
| [22:46:55] | sphery: | not relating to this TZ strangeness in MythWeb |
| [22:47:00] | Dagmar: | Oh, I can't easily respond to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407180 but perhaps someone should point out to Brian that /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is perfectly usable still |
| [22:47:37] | sphery: | but there's absolutely no reason to set a LocalHostName override |
| [22:47:39] | Dagmar: | Actually, I'll email him now that Iv'e figured out how to get teh email out |
| [22:47:57] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but his carp is that it's doing this on a "per user" basis instead of a "per machine" basis |
| [22:48:20] | sphery: | it's only for people who are too lazy to run mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname='old' --new_hostname='new' |
| [22:48:46] | sphery: | no, he was using a single shared HOME dir on all his hosts and he set an override in it |
| [22:48:55] | sphery: | so all of them were trying to use the same hostname |
| [22:49:00] | sphery: | (which is a recipe for failure) |
| [22:50:00] | sphery: | oh, I see--he did complain about that in his response |
| [22:50:14] | sphery: | I ignored that part and just saw the "yeah, that's what I want" |
| [22:50:52] | sphery: | he really just needs to not define LocalHostName |
| [22:50:58] | sphery: | he doesn't need--nor want it |
| [22:51:23] | Dagmar: | That's one issue I went and looked at the source for early on |
| [22:51:40] | Dagmar: | ...pursuant to the goal of "drop-in" mythtv packages for Slackware |
| [22:52:41] | clever: | Dagmar: can i PM you? |
| [22:53:00] | laga: | please, i want that exchange in public |
| [22:53:19] | clever: | laga: but its not mythtv related:P |
| [22:54:00] | Dagmar: | clever: Perhaps |
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| [22:57:40] | sphery: | kormoc: so, broken PHP config is the current theory on the list. He should be setting php.timezone and reporting back. |
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| [23:00:36] | wagnerrp: | looks like my mythbackend (5050e) is idling at about 80W, seems a bit high |
| [23:01:00] | kormoc: | sphery: well, I'm wondering what his backend is sending too, as the warning is due to not having a valid timezone in his php.ini, but the error setting is from the backend string |
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| [23:02:40] | sphery: | kormoc: the only way he could get that bogus string from myth's detection is if he set that value in TZ or /etc/timezone or /etc/sysconfig/clock |
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| [23:08:54] | kormoc: | sphery: is there a easy way to check? |
| [23:09:22] | sphery: | I'm having him run the perl script that gets the output of QUERY_TIME_ZONE |
| [23:10:16] | Dagmar: | sphery: If he set something mangled in /etc/timezone he deserves what he gets |
| [23:10:25] | Dagmar: | You're supposed to just COPY the glibc-provided timespec file there |
| [23:10:33] | Dagmar: | copy, not symlink |
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| [23:11:12] | sphery: | /etc/localtime is usually a copy of the Olson DB/zoneinfo file |
| [23:11:43] | sphery: | /etc/timezone is a Debian distro text file that just has the name of the time zone to use (and, really, nothing else) |
| [23:11:48] | Dagmar: | doh yeah my mistake /etc/timezone |
| [23:11:55] | Dagmar: | er localtime |
| [23:11:58] | Dagmar: | Damnit I need food |
| [23:12:01] | Dagmar: | can't think straight |
| [23:12:39] | sphery: | yeah, but still, if there's garbage in there, it would be bad (though he shows TIMEZONE="Canada/Eastern" in /etc/rc.conf --whatever that is) |
| [23:12:51] | sphery: | did Debian/*buntu change where they're storing their currently configured time zone? |
| [23:13:07] | Dagmar: | No, I just get stupid when my blood sugar is low |
| [23:13:20] | sphery: | do youknow what rc.conf is doing having a TIMEZONE in it? |
| [23:13:31] | Dagmar: | /etc/localtime is glibc-space stuff |
| [23:13:40] | Dagmar: | sphery: Probably keeping the human-readable timespec |
| [23:14:10] | sphery: | seems to be an arch thing |
| [23:14:11] | sphery: | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rc.conf |
| [23:14:19] | Dagmar: | Some distros like to set both the /etc/localtime thing and TZ just to make sure both mechanisms are covered, since some software just looks for TZ |
| [23:15:09] | Dagmar: | TZ as an environment variable is still a useful thing to check for the reason that just because the machine is in California and |
| [23:15:24] | Dagmar: | "lives in" PST, doesn't mean the user give a crap what time it is in California since they're in New York |
| [23:15:36] | Dagmar: | ...so they might well have stuffed a TZ into their .profile that sets their local time zone |
| [23:16:13] | Dagmar: | They login, they do things, everything shows them their local time which has meaning, while simultaneously never getting muddled up about what time it actually is |
| [23:18:06] | sphery: | yay, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22800 ... now people with stolen subtitles that came with their stolen videos can use those stolen subtitles |
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| [23:18:39] | Joshhhhhh: | Would you guys suggest ubuntu server or debian-unstable for a mythtv backend? |
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| [23:18:50] | Joshhhhhh: | I've finally decided to migrate away from gentoo |
| [23:19:06] | Dagmar: | Personally? Neither, but of the two the _stable_ one is more likely to be useful |
| [23:19:34] | jduggan: | why not mythbuntu? |
| [23:19:35] | Joshhhhhh: | Dagmar, _stable_ ? I'm assuming youre' referring to Debian? |
| [23:19:38] | sphery: | I highly recommend against Debian for MythTV |
| [23:20:00] | Joshhhhhh: | sphery, that's what I was thinking, I read lots of issues with Debian. |
| [23:20:09] | Joshhhhhh: | Then again, there's lots of issues with Gentoo, as well. |
| [23:20:38] | sphery: | 90% of the reason for running Debian is to adhere to their ideals of free and open and not-patent-encumbered stuff. By the time you add all the stuff to Debian to allow Myth to work, you've violated all of those ideals and are basically left with Ubuntu. |
| [23:20:45] | sphery: | So, just use *buntu, instead |
| [23:21:10] | sphery: | and, MythBuntu is definitely a good way to go for Myth + buntu |
| [23:21:46] | Dagmar: | Joshhhhhh: The really obvious flaw I see in your plan is picking a distro with the word "UNSTABLE" in the title. |
| [23:21:50] | Dagmar: | That word has meaning, you know. |
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| [23:22:23] | Dagmar: | Not only is there not even an implicit "guarantee" of uptime, it means that a developer can and will break things in order to push along to greener pastures and better mechanisms |
| [23:22:44] | Dagmar: | "unstable" is a keyword you should never match with "production" |
| [23:23:01] | Joshhhhhh: | Dagmar, amidst all the vaugeness, which one are you calling "unstable"? |
| [23:23:07] | Dagmar: | The one YOU called unstable |
| [23:23:09] | Joshhhhhh: | Just to clarify. |
| [23:23:11] | jduggan: | lol |
| [23:23:14] | sphery: | as many apps/desktops/development platforms as there are that need to determine the system's time zone rules, it's amazing there's no standard function to do so |
| [23:23:24] | Joshhhhhh: | Dagmar, oh, meh. |
| [23:23:30] | Dagmar: | "Would you guys suggest ubuntu server or debian-unstable for a mythtv-backend?" |
| [23:23:41] | sphery: | i.e. Myth has its own detection, GNOME/KDE have their own detection, Java/PHP/... have theirs |
| [23:23:46] | Dagmar: | They put the word "unstable" in the variant's title for a reason. |
| [23:23:47] | wagnerrp: | !trout Joshhhhhh short term memory |
| [23:23:47] | ** MythLogBot slaps Joshhhhhh with a short term memory trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [23:24:06] | wagnerrp: | maybe MythLogBot can beat some into you |
| [23:24:09] | Joshhhhhh: | So debian is out. |
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| [23:24:29] | Joshhhhhh: | I've just never gotten on the right terms with ubuntu |
| [23:24:38] | Joshhhhhh: | Mabye ubuntu-server would be better suited. |
| [23:24:45] | benklop: | is there a list somewhere of the fixes in since the RC? |
| [23:25:22] | wagnerrp: | benklop: the commits list on trac |
| [23:25:34] | Dagmar: | ubuntu-server of perhaps (perhaps!) debian-stable |
| [23:25:40] | Dagmar: | s/of/or/; |
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| [23:25:51] | sphery: | "What I consider as a real improvement on the other side is a reference to all corresponding headers of other projects and not the inclusion within the own development directory structure. In this way a more modular design could be achieved. This implies an easier dependency resolution and the assignment of package specific feature inclusion like implemented by Gentoo with their USE-flags." |
| [23:25:57] | sphery: | yeah, right |
| [23:26:02] | benklop: | wagnerrp: sorry, i don't use trac much.. forgot :-P |
| [23:26:11] | sphery: | let everyone + dog compile their own ffmpeg/libav* stuff... that will work just great |
| [23:26:33] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [23:26:45] | Dagmar: | I think the word I'm looking for is "Failtacular!" |
| [23:26:48] | sphery: | benklop: the short version is, "fixes MythTV" |
| [23:27:07] | sphery: | i.e. if you're running an rc, you really should upgrade |
| [23:27:19] | sphery: | there's a reason that those rc's aren't the release version :) |
| [23:27:52] | gbee: | sphery: -users list again? Didn't I cover this the other night, the 0.01% of people who think it's a good idea vs the rest who would absolutely hate it |
| [23:28:13] | sphery: | gbee: it's #7548 |
| [23:28:39] | gbee: | yeah, just got the email |
| [23:28:53] | sphery: | don't know the validity of the proposed change to fix the Gentoo brokenness, but the "also" at the bottom is wrong |
| [23:29:22] | ** gbee is back to hating Gentoo and Gentoo users ** | |
| [23:29:52] | sphery: | it almost sounds like the guy is saying that on Gentoo, for some reason it's using the system-installed headers to build Myth and it breaks things. |
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| [23:30:44] | kormoc: | it's cause he's using a hardened profile, which is designed for firewalls/webservers/etc |
| [23:31:01] | kormoc: | standard desktop profile shouldn't have that issue |
| [23:31:11] | sphery: | kormoc: #7548 is? |
| [23:31:17] | kormoc: | afaik, aye |
| [23:31:41] | gbee: | kormoc: if you want to expand on my reply, then please do, it could use a more informed and less instinctual response |
| [23:31:45] | sphery: | where were you a few days ago when someone was in here complaining of that same problem and an inability to build Myth on Gentoo x86–32 |
| [23:32:02] | kormoc: | likely fighting dirc to stay connected to my channels |
| [23:32:46] | ** sphery is confused by Arch Linux ** | |
| [23:32:56] | iamlindoro: | gbee, hahahahahaahahahahah |
| [23:33:06] | sphery: | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TIMEZONE says to change time zone by copying the zoneinfo file to /etc/localtime |
| [23:33:08] | iamlindoro: | " No ... no, no no" |
| [23:33:20] | sphery: | but http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rc.conf shows putting a TIMEZONE variable in /etc/rc.conf |
| [23:33:20] | Rigor_M: | if the guy cant build Myth on gentoo then he's doing something wrong.. I have 0.22 BE on Gentoo and its working great |
| [23:33:48] | jams: | sphery- change it in rc.conf..the sysinit scripts will do the copy if required |
| [23:33:50] | Dagmar: | What? |
| [23:33:52] | sphery: | kormoc: it does look like it nees a reply |
| [23:34:02] | Dagmar: | Someone on Gentoo doing something wrong? Unpossible! |
| [23:34:07] | sphery: | jams: so arch doesn't use /etc/timezone or /etc/sysconfig/clock? |
| [23:34:09] | dustybin: | ricers! |
| [23:34:14] | Dagmar: | sphery: there's no conflict |
| [23:34:18] | gbee: | tired of people who seem determined to make life as hard as possible for themselves and want to drag the rest of use along for the ride |
| [23:34:22] | jams: | sphery- /etc/localtime |
| [23:34:29] | kormoc: | sphery: you need to do both |
| [23:34:30] | sphery: | jams: perfect... then our detection will work |
| [23:34:31] | Rigor_M: | the guy should not use gentoo if he dosent know what the f** hes doing |
| [23:34:50] | Dagmar: | Rigor_M: That would eliminate at least a third of all Linux users |
| [23:35:13] | kormoc: | gbee: nah, if he brings it up more, forward him to bugs.gentoo.org, it should go there anyway |
| [23:35:30] | kormoc: | 95% of gentoo users shouldn't use gentoo... |
| [23:35:34] | sphery: | kormoc: we do parse /etc/timezone (for Debian-based) and /etc/sysconfig/clock (for Red-Hat-based), but wanted to make sure we could handle however Arch does it. |
| [23:35:56] | sphery: | assuming you were talking about those when you said we need to do both |
| [23:36:01] | dustybin: | i got a compile error with the latest svn 22800 http://paste.debian.net/51337/plain/51337 |
| [23:36:05] | kormoc: | sphery: both arch and gentoo should have a /etc/localtime and a setting in rc.conf |
| [23:36:07] | kormoc: | aye |
| [23:36:12] | sphery: | dustybin: did you make distclean |
| [23:36:22] | dustybin: | ill do it again |
| [23:36:24] | Dagmar: | sphery: Why would a troll do that? |
| [23:36:33] | dustybin: | im not a troll |
| [23:36:35] | sphery: | kormoc: but if the init scripts update /etc/localtime, we're good |
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| [23:36:44] | Dagmar: | dustybin: And I'm not a solid object |
| [23:36:53] | kormoc: | sphery: they would, aye, as would timezonedb updates |
| [23:37:06] | dustybin: | Dagmar: i need a chair so i can sit on my desk and do some proper work |
| [23:37:20] | jpabq: | I see that "Dollhouse" has been cancelled |
| [23:38:06] | Dagmar: | I find this saddening. |
| [23:38:09] | Dagmar: | Not the cancelling... |
| [23:38:23] | Dagmar: | The fact that this news has appeared in four IRC windows almost simultaneously. |
| [23:38:35] | Dagmar: | Typically this only happens when someone flies a plane into a building or the pope dies. |
| [23:38:41] | Dagmar: | Geee-e-e-e-eks. |
| [23:39:09] | jpabq: | And proud of it! |
| [23:39:27] | kormoc: | and saddened by it |
| [23:39:43] | Joshhhhhh: | "meh" |
| [23:39:47] | dustybin: | i just did a distclean |
| [23:39:50] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/51338/plain/51338 |
| [23:40:22] | sphery: | dustybin: 0.22-fixes or trunk? |
| [23:40:34] | dustybin: | .22 fixes |
| [23:40:39] | dustybin: | i would never touch trunk |
| [23:40:40] | Joshhhhhh: | Broken QT install? |
| [23:40:53] | dustybin: | dunno i will check |
| [23:41:03] | Joshhhhhh: | mythmainwindow_internal.h:10:21: error: QGLWidget: No such file or directory |
| [23:41:50] | dustybin: | libqt4-opengl-dev was missing.. |
| [23:41:54] | dustybin: | let me retry |
| [23:42:15] | dustybin: | thats better |
| [23:42:16] | Dibblah: | apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [23:42:20] | Dibblah: | or whatever. |
| [23:42:29] | dustybin: | i dont like doing that, that will install QT 3 stuff |
| [23:42:38] | Dibblah: | And watch as it pulls in 90% of the known universe. |
| [23:42:45] | dustybin: | heh |
| [23:42:58] | laga: | Dibblah: and some of multiverse, on ubuntu... |
| [23:42:59] | Dibblah: | Not if you're running Karmic, it won't. |
| [23:43:20] | dustybin: | there seems to be a conflict in debian lenny with 2 versions of mesa |
| [23:43:20] | superm1: | although keep in mind there's packages for intrepid, jaunty, and karmic of 0.22 already done... |
| [23:43:47] | Dibblah: | But using the packaging system would be too easy. |
| [23:44:07] | Dibblah: | You don't feel like a man unless you've waded ankle deep in conflicting dependencies. |
| [23:44:14] | dustybin: | nvidia-gx and libgl1-mesa-dev conflicts with libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev what .22 requires |
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| [23:44:22] | Dibblah: | See? |
| [23:44:27] | superm1: | are you on debian? |
| [23:44:31] | dustybin: | yes |
| [23:44:44] | superm1: | oh, christian just published packages for 0.22 there too |
| [23:44:49] | superm1: | go use those :) |
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| [23:45:06] | dustybin: | superm1: where? |
| [23:45:13] | superm1: | debian multimedia |
| [23:45:33] | dustybin: | i would never install .22 packages |
| [23:45:37] | dustybin: | or any mythtv package |
| [23:45:42] | superm1: | why? |
| [23:45:52] | dustybin: | but it would be handy for a build-dep maybe |
| [23:45:54] | sphery: | why do so many (gmail, it seems) users reply to messages and get their own replies quoted in with the message to which they're replying? |
| [23:46:00] | Dibblah: | ... Because he likes to live on the dribbling edge. |
| [23:46:10] | superm1: | takes the pain out of building and they tend to integrate nicer with the system |
| [23:46:20] | dustybin: | mythtv has far too many changes |
| [23:46:29] | superm1: | and if you want to live on the edge, that's why a lot of us packagers have repos set up that do daily builds for you |
| [23:46:38] | sphery: | frequent changes are a great reason to use packages |
| [23:46:39] | dustybin: | i like stable on edge |
| [23:46:42] | dustybin: | not trunk on edge |
| [23:46:44] | Dibblah: | Personally, I let the package system manage the deps and do a manual build. |
| [23:46:46] | styelz: | i like drugs |
| [23:46:46] | sphery: | if things didn't change, they'd be unnecessary |
| [23:46:58] | Dibblah: | ... Since I don't think Ubuntu tracks my patches yet. ;) |
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| [23:47:32] | wazquis: | I just got a HD channel and it's too heavy for my CPU to handle – I have an AMD 4850e (2500MHz) I bought because of it's low power usage but aparantly it's too slow for handling HD videos from DVB-C. Does MythTV 0.22 support multithreading or is the only way around this to buy a faster processor and if so, what should I get? |
| [23:47:39] | iamlindoro: | styelz, Apparently so does dustymoron |
| [23:48:48] | sphery: | wazquis: faster processor, VDPAU-supporting GPU, or wait for multithreaded decoding to a) hit ffmpeg, b) get merged into Myth |
| [23:49:12] | sphery: | wazquis: or you might be able to get it to work if you choose your playback profile carefully |
| [23:49:15] | Dibblah: | wazquis: Myth does multithreading, but only with certain recordings and only with certain deinterlacers. |
| [23:49:24] | sphery: | carefully means, "Change the playback profile group to Slim" |
| [23:49:27] | Dibblah: | ... Best bet is a GT220. |
| [23:49:43] | gbee: | wazquis: I have a 4850e, more than fast enough for h.264 assuming it's sliced |
| [23:49:56] | Dibblah: | 10w increment over i945 chipset graphics, VDPAU, ... |
| [23:50:06] | sphery: | wazquis: if you have MPEG-2 HDTV< the 4850e is probably fine--for H.264, it depends on how it's encoded (as gbee mentioend) |
| [23:50:35] | wazquis: | sphery: I should have VDPAU on everything |
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| [23:50:48] | wazquis: | gbee: how can i test if it's sliced? |
| [23:50:53] | Dibblah: | VDPAU only works on nvidia cards. |
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| [23:50:58] | sphery: | if you're getting issues with VDPAU, then you likely just need to disable the frequency scaling on your processor |
| [23:51:01] | superm1: | dustybin, there are daily builds of -fixes and -trunk on mythbuntu.org/auto-builds (although i dont know if they'll work on debian) |
| [23:51:04] | gbee: | yeah mythtv has supported multithreaded decoding (partial) of H.264 for the last two versions at least, you need to set the number of cores in the video profiles |
| [23:51:18] | superm1: | if they dont work on debian, it's probably not much work to get them working there |
| [23:51:30] | sphery: | wazquis: i.e. VDPAU does /not/ like frequency scaling on AMD CPU's as it scales the memory speed |
| [23:51:32] | dustybin: | superm1: its ok, shes nearly compiled now :D |
| [23:51:37] | Dibblah: | gbee: Which stops being multithreaded with anything apart from bob (ISTR) as a deinterlacer. |
| [23:51:45] | wazquis: | sphery: AHA! That's a new one! |
| [23:52:12] | wazquis: | I have been checking that the processor would run at full throttle and it did...but just a sec, i'll disable the throtteling and test |
| [23:52:24] | sphery: | wazquis: though, really, you can use processor frequency scaling (and get low-power usage when not playing back) and use Slim and do software decode |
| [23:52:25] | gbee: | wazquis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#CPU_Frequency_Scaling |
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| [23:52:59] | sphery: | question becomes, which costs more power--software decode for the 2hrs of TV per day or running the proc at full speed for 24hrs per day |
| [23:53:12] | sphery: | (2hrs of TV you watch per day) |
| [23:53:15] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [23:53:24] | gbee: | sphery: compromise is to just bump it up from 1000Mhz to 1800Mhz |
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| [23:54:04] | gbee: | but that sucks, the scaling stuff should account for bus usage and not just cpu |
| [23:54:07] | sphery: | still, I'd say a Kill-a-Watt or equivalent is mandatory--if really concerned about the power usage |
| [23:54:18] | sphery: | versus just buying "low power" because it says "low power" |
| [23:54:31] | wazquis: | sphery: yea :/ |
| [23:54:40] | sphery: | i.e. making sure you keep up those Carbon-Placebos |
| [23:54:46] | Dibblah: | Or, trust random people on the internet. That always works out well. |
| [23:55:00] | gbee: | however I find that the 4850e is more than fast enough for the H.264 HD available over here |
| [23:55:05] | ** Joshhhhhh owns a Carbon Credit printing press. ** | |
| [23:55:11] | wazquis: | sphery: maybe some automaticly detection of HD videos and disabling CPU scaling in those cases... |
| [23:55:48] | clever: | or maybe, fix the throttling to do its job |
| [23:56:02] | sphery: | or just run mythwelcome and when you start mythfrontend, have it run a script that disables the CPU freq scaling then starts mythfrontend (and enables freq scaling when mythfrontend exits) |
| [23:56:03] | clever: | check the options for powernowd |
| [23:56:07] | sphery: | I'm guessing you could do that |
| [23:56:28] | sphery: | clever: the throttling is doing its job--it just doesn't increase proc frequency when RAM bandwidth is maxed |
| [23:56:45] | clever: | sphery: ah, the problem is the ram getting maxed out? |
| [23:56:47] | sphery: | i.e. proc at 2% of 1000MHz but RAM bandwidth maxed out |
| [23:56:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:56:52] | clever: | ahhh |
| [23:56:53] | wazquis: | sphery: didn't do the trick... |
| [23:57:03] | clever: | so the usage is outside the view of powernowd |
| [23:57:03] | mzb: | this is where my pre/post-playback method might come in handy |
| [23:57:07] | sphery: | wazquis: try Slim playback profile |
| [23:57:14] | sphery: | if it works, start from there, then adjust |
| [23:57:17] | wazquis: | okay |
| [23:57:22] | gbee: | vdpau is pretty pointless if you have to entirely disable frequency scaling to use it |
| [23:57:50] | clever: | gbee: dont have to fully disable it, just increase the lower freq bound when playing |
| [23:58:07] | gbee: | !trout clever |
| [23:58:07] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
| [23:58:10] | gbee: | !trout clever |
| [23:58:10] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
| [23:58:13] | clever: | just enough that the ram has enough bandwidth |
| [23:58:14] | gbee: | !trout clever |
| [23:58:14] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
| [23:58:25] | clever: | or just trout me a few times :P |
| [23:58:31] | clever: | that will surely fix it |
| [23:59:07] | gbee: | I wrote the wiki on this subject, you were just feeding back to me what I'd said not 4 minutes earlier |
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| [23:59:34] | clever: | i didnt have the time to re-read the last hour of backlog to see if anybody said what i was about to type |
| [23:59:42] | wazquis: | sphery: didn't help eighter |
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