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| [00:02:26] | antgel: | i just had a look at the 'story'. haven't internet geeks gotten over the sniping and sarcasm yet? some of this reads like youtube comments i.e. the dregs |
| [00:02:53] | AndrewNC: | antgel: you must be new to the intarwebs |
| [00:03:31] | kormoc: | Welcome to the internet. If you ever had any hope for humanity, we'll rip it apart in seconds |
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| [00:03:47] | antgel: | AndrewNC: that's twice in here today that i've been called newbie scum. i just can't believe that people can still be bothered |
| [00:04:05] | antgel: | hmm, that's my sniping and slight sarcasm contribution |
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| [00:05:11] | antgel: | hmm, apparently doing an svn up has borked my network |
| [00:05:18] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: 20+4 means the extra four pins are detachable, and you can use in either type of board |
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| [00:05:50] | AndrewNC: | antgel: you misread what I typed |
| [00:05:58] | justinh: | antgel: it's soul-destroying tripe, slashdot is |
| [00:06:13] | AndrewNC: | slashdot jumped the shark somewhere around 2000 I recal |
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| [00:06:14] | justinh: | the comments section anyway. little more than mere trollery |
| [00:06:38] | antgel: | AndrewNC: *whoosh* |
| [00:07:19] | justinh: | AndrewNC: when linux was still pure you mean? ;) |
| [00:07:36] | justinh: | before all the distros where X starts automatically came along :P |
| [00:09:17] | AndrewNC: | before jon katz wrote for /. |
| [00:09:29] | AndrewNC: | wonder if that guy is employed now |
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| [00:16:28] | justinh: | a successful dog book author now apparently |
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| [00:22:52] | mersault: | Is there any way to force a directory of videos to a specific TVDB ID with Jamu? Jamu thinks I have the wrong run of a given series (astro boy, battlestar galactica, etc) |
| [00:23:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Implemented your feature suggestion, just need to get back home to test it |
| [00:23:29] | iamlindoro: | Since now I can freely change the DB schema |
| [00:25:03] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Yes you use a jamu.conf file and add entries to the "[series_name_override]" section. See the jamu-example.conf file and wiki for details. |
| [00:27:09] | justinh: | whee a couple of twitter scripting users have got in touch to say they've changed the scripts so there'll be less #mythtv spam :) |
| [00:28:13] | wagnerrp: | well the only thing left i can think of for grabbers is insertion/updating |
| [00:28:25] | wagnerrp: | but tmdb/ttvdb dont have that as part of their API yet anyway do they? |
| [00:28:35] | antgel: | just to check – should my vdpau profile look like: |
| [00:28:46] | antgel: | if rez -> vdpau & vdpau 1 |
| [00:28:46] | antgel: | ? |
| [00:29:10] | wagnerrp: | antgel: mythtv has built in VDPAU modes, just use those |
| [00:29:29] | superm1: | RDV_Linux, this is where you go and pump mcc-jamu..... ;P |
| [00:29:48] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: What are you asking about the TVDB/TMDB apis? |
| [00:29:57] | antgel: | wagnerrp: built in modes? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU suggests i need to create a display profile |
| [00:30:17] | wagnerrp: | antgel: they were recently added to trunk, and backported to fixes |
| [00:30:40] | RDV_Linux: | superm1: I have not seen what was asked so I do not know what I am pumping ;) |
| [00:30:45] | Wicked: | hmm ive added info for a movie a few days ago to themoviedb but in mythtv the script still does not find the movie....and ive made sure the movie has a imdb entry |
| [00:30:50] | antgel: | wagnerrp: how recent? my svn 0.22-fixes is about a week old. can't svn up at the moment :( |
| [00:30:57] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: i made some mention of altering the grabber scripts to return a URL to open in mythbrowser |
| [00:31:00] | superm1: | RDV_Linux, well i saw talk of jamu.conf from mersault |
| [00:31:06] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro added it a couple minutes later |
| [00:31:29] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: i was commenting that the only thing left to do with the grabbers is to allow updating their respective websites |
| [00:31:43] | wagnerrp: | but theres no sense doing so until their APIs support updating |
| [00:31:45] | iamlindoro: | committed the grabber portion, but holding off on the code part until I have a chance to test it |
| [00:32:06] | RDV_Linux: | superm1: You are right the part of mcc-jamu that I am finishing now addresses exactly his need with a GUI interface. |
| [00:32:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: right, no updating yet, sadly |
| [00:32:21] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: However, with a link straight to the site page for it, it's the next best thing |
| [00:32:39] | wagnerrp: | antgel: it was only added a couple days ago, it may not have made it into the release version |
| [00:32:52] | mersault: | wait, mcc interface to Jamu? Awesome. |
| [00:33:22] | antgel: | wagnerrp: cheers. i'll wait until the svn server is back |
| [00:33:32] | antgel: | maybe i should just svn up now and leave it, see what happens |
| [00:33:48] | wagnerrp: | it likely has some timeout |
| [00:33:52] | Wicked: | antgel, it just times out |
| [00:34:02] | antgel: | nnggh etc |
| [00:34:04] | Wicked: | svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes': Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer (http://svn.mythtv.org) |
| [00:34:23] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: It is in two parts one to control the Mythbuntu cronn jobs and two options. The other is the ability to add/change/delete of overrides for title. Which was just what you were needing. |
| [00:34:32] | justinh: | come on guys let's get together & DDoS slashdot :D |
| [00:34:49] | justinh: | it might even take sourceforge down too |
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| [00:35:16] | antgel: | anyhoo, i re-ran configure with --enable-debug and gdb is giving me lots of #0 0x00007f4502bc810c in ?? () from /usr/local/lib/libmythavcodec-0.22.so.0. where be my debug symbols? |
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| [00:42:21] | fbnts: | Hi, I have upgraded to mythbuntu 9.10 and all appears well except that Mythtv is not full screen – It has the task bar showing at the top of the screen |
| [00:42:59] | fbnts: | I have tried the Screen Setup wizards but it still doesnt work |
| [00:43:17] | josh__: | fbnts, you have to enable "legacy fullscreen" in compiz-settings |
| [00:45:22] | fbnts: | where is the compiz-settings? Im not familiar with XFCE |
| [00:46:17] | mersault: | is the box svn.mythtv.org etc are on still accessible to admins? |
| [00:46:27] | mersault: | ie, do you guys have a con card on the sucker? |
| [00:47:24] | wagnerrp: | mersault: its not bandwidth, its CPU/memory consumption |
| [00:47:38] | josh__: | I have a small problem, apparently my pvr150 is not acting right, and after about an hour of watching it, it will cause the backend to crash. While I know the ultimate problem is the card, when the backend crashes while the frontend is trying to play, it will lock the frontend up completely unresponsive as well. |
| [00:48:23] | wagnerrp: | dynamic websites typically run out of that long before they run through their bandwidth allotments |
| [00:48:24] | mersault: | wagnerrp: time to cloud up that sucker :) |
| [00:48:49] | laga: | yeah, that sucker! d00d. |
| [00:48:50] | wagnerrp: | mersault: clouds cost money |
| [00:49:39] | wagnerrp: | and at at almost a dollar per CPU per hour on amazon, youre talking about hundreds of dollars of server costs for a slashdotting |
| [00:49:45] | wagnerrp: | perhaps thousands |
| [00:50:15] | mersault: | sorry, the hype from the engineers building our cloud at work is getting to me... |
| [00:50:35] | wagnerrp: | your engineers building your local cloud? |
| [00:50:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning you own the hardware, all the hardware? |
| [00:50:48] | laga: | that's just some micro climate |
| [00:50:59] | wagnerrp: | and you pay for the machine whether you use it or not? |
| [00:51:07] | mersault: | we get to use it for internal stuff as well, but it's for customers |
| [00:51:20] | wagnerrp: | thats not a cloud, thats just a normal cluster |
| [00:51:21] | ** mersault works for a telecom/IT firm ** | |
| [00:51:37] | mersault: | to us it's a cluster. to our customers it's a cloud |
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| [00:52:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: You wouldn't happen to know if you can plug a 4-pin ATX +12V power cable ( http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/c . . . html#atx12v4 ) into an 8-pin EPS +12V power connector on the mobo ( http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8 ) for a single-proc system running a 65W TDP CPU and expect it to work, would you? The mobo supports 160W TDP CPU's, but that's overkill. The 8-pin is ... |
| [00:52:17] | sphery: | ... basically two 4-pins with the "other half" using a different square/round configuration (but the 4-pin fits fine in the "first half" of the 8-pin connector). |
| [00:53:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: dont know, but im fairly certain you can buy adapters |
| [00:53:16] | wagnerrp: | since theyre just additional 12V lines |
| [00:53:21] | sphery: | newegg page told me the mobo needed ATX 24-pin, so I didn't realize it used EPS (though in hindsight the "supports 160W CPUs" stickers kind of imply it does) |
| [00:54:04] | sphery: | Yeah, you can. The connector will cost me a good $10, though, so I'd rather find a good deal on an 80 PLUS PSU that has the EPS connector than waste 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of a new PSU on the adapter. |
| [00:54:56] | sphery: | Some adapters go from 4-pin power connector to 8-pin power (meaning it's drawing from the same wire), others use 4-pin molex, so you could actually wire it to use different wires. |
| [00:55:22] | sphery: | Oh, btw, the adapters are anywere from $1-$5 but once shipping is added, it will be about $10 or more. |
| [00:55:44] | sphery: | I'd be more likely to wire up my own adapter than pay $10 :) |
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| [00:56:36] | josh__: | TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started, but it doenst drop me back to the menu? |
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| [00:56:50] | josh__: | frontend is completely unresponsive. |
| [00:57:05] | sphery: | josh__: can sometimes take 2min or more |
| [00:57:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: plug it in, try it out |
| [00:57:51] | wagnerrp: | i know at least nvidia cards will drop back to 2D mode without the power connectors |
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| [00:58:22] | sphery: | heh, this is the CPU power, though :)... hoping to not blow my mobo or my CPU |
| [00:58:28] | josh__: | This system is really frustrating me, yarg. |
| [00:58:43] | josh__: | my PVR150 is refusing to be the workhorse that has always been |
| [00:59:01] | sphery: | I will probably convince myself to try it... Though I /could/ use another 80 PLUS PSU (for my myth frontend, actually) |
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| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | you can always check the manual |
| [00:59:21] | wagnerrp: | it will probably tell you |
| [00:59:48] | sphery: | it's not very verbose... just says to plug in the 8-pin additional power connector for the CPU |
| [01:00:33] | wagnerrp: | what board? |
| [01:01:34] | sphery: | great, now I'm going to get all the PCChips/ECS sucks comments... :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135235 |
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| [01:01:49] | wagnerrp: | ugh... im down under an hour for laptop battery life |
| [01:01:51] | sphery: | I bought based on price. |
| [01:01:56] | brad3: | does anyone know what function/class I would use to bring up a MythTV "messagebox" (for lack of a better phrase) in a plugin? |
| [01:02:07] | sphery: | wow... new laptop time (generally better than new battery) |
| [01:02:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, considering those little nettops are more powerful than my laptop, and would cost less than a new battery |
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| [01:03:27] | sphery: | yeah, the batteries cost a fortune |
| [01:03:29] | laga: | sphery: stock battery on my c2d laptop is starting to fail. you think i should replace it? ;) |
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| [01:03:51] | sphery: | depends what "starting to fail" means |
| [01:03:51] | wagnerrp: | (last time i bought new ones) the primary was $150, secondary was $190 |
| [01:04:00] | sphery: | and how much you use battery versus mains |
| [01:04:07] | laga: | oh great, now i'm going to obsess over battery life time tomorrow. ;) |
| [01:04:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:04:39] | wagnerrp: | of course that was good for all day at school on wireless (about 7 hours) |
| [01:04:39] | laga: | i think the hard disk is not configured to spin down. no wonder i'm carrying two batteries all the time |
| [01:04:58] | sphery: | I let my last laptop battery drop to <50% of design capacity before I replaced the laptop--but I replaced the laptop because the cooling system was starting to fail (GPU would overheat and lock up) |
| [01:05:13] | wagnerrp: | i could probably stretch it out to 10hrs if i cut the screen brightness and didnt use wireless |
| [01:05:35] | sphery: | of course, I buy high-capacity batteries for my laptops (current being an exception--I got a normal and a high-cap battery because of a coupon I had) |
| [01:05:50] | sphery: | so even at <50% design capacity, I was still getting about 2hrs under battery |
| [01:06:34] | sphery: | Oh, and I always set screen to lowest brightness when on battery--and never really use wifi when on battery (since I mainly use battery on planes) |
| [01:07:11] | josh__: | sphery, my laptop does *not* like to be on battery |
| [01:07:26] | josh__: | and not because the battery is old/bad |
| [01:07:30] | wagnerrp: | im at 23Wh/58Wh and 7.5Wh/39Wh for my two |
| [01:08:20] | wagnerrp: | so well under 50% |
| [01:08:48] | sphery: | so now, newegg is going to think I'm the idiot that they thought I was... I bought all the components for a computer save the PSU--because I have PSU's I can use for it. But now because of needing the other connector, I may be buying a new PSU, anyway, so they'll think, "See, we told him so," (about the e-mail they sent after my purchase about "Shopping Helper: A few good accessories for your recent purchase" (all 80 PLUS ... |
| [01:08:54] | sphery: | ... PSU's)... |
| [01:09:17] | sphery: | might have to buy from amazon just so they don't know. :) |
| [01:09:28] | josh__: | sphery, they won't think you're an idiot, they can just now charge you twice for shipping :p |
| [01:10:44] | sphery: | heh--but I almost always have free shipping |
| [01:10:56] | josh__: | I'm seriously considering running a vanilla kernel |
| [01:11:43] | sphery: | very impressed--newegg has moved, "Energy Efficient" from nearly the bottom of their search criteria to about 1/3 of the way from the top |
| [01:12:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: your board does not exist |
| [01:12:27] | josh__: | sphery, may I have one of your old 200GB + hard drives ? :) |
| [01:13:52] | wagnerrp: | i cant find it on the ecs site |
| [01:14:14] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, apparently its a AM2+ board, not an AM3 |
| [01:14:21] | sphery: | heh, sweet... there's an 80 PLUS PSU with 4+4 12v CPU power for $44.99 with free shipping and $5 off with promo code... And it's only a 430W instead of an overkill 550W or 650W (the smallest I found) |
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| [01:14:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, yeah, AM2+ and AM3 |
| [01:15:09] | sphery: | and the promo code expires today... Nice. |
| [01:17:42] | sphery: | don't know that I like the quad 12v rails, but it will work for this system. |
| [01:18:01] | wagnerrp: | why are motherboard maker's websites so damn slow |
| [01:18:10] | wagnerrp: | theyre always painfully slow |
| [01:18:14] | laga: | ftp.asus.com – omg |
| [01:18:17] | wagnerrp: | and unnecessarily flashy |
| [01:19:19] | sphery: | no joke |
| [01:20:00] | sphery: | just found a $49.99 (free shipping) 400W 80-PLUS PSU with 8pin EPS and $20 MIR |
| [01:20:13] | sphery: | definitely better to buy a $30 PSU than a $10 converter cable |
| [01:20:47] | sphery: | (when I have only 2 more 80 PLUS PSU's and 4 systems with non-80-PLUS PSU's) |
| [01:21:30] | sphery: | single rail, so will work better for lots of 12V stuff |
| [01:21:56] | sphery: | (won't overload a one of 4 rails, type better) |
| [01:23:08] | wagnerrp: | seriously... why are they so flashy... |
| [01:23:27] | wagnerrp: | has anyone here ever gone to a motherboard website for something other than firmware/drivers/manual? |
| [01:23:55] | sphery: | heh, agreed |
| [01:23:56] | laga: | wagnerrp: data sheet. |
| [01:24:12] | laga: | well, that's the manual, i suppose.. |
| [01:25:53] | antgel: | ah, it's compile-type=debug, not enable-debug. i didn't parse TFM |
| [01:28:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: weird... http://www.ecsusa.com/ECSWebSite/Products/Pro . . . &LanID=9 says (under "Internal I/O Connectors & Headers") "1 x 4-pin 12V Connector" |
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| [01:40:32] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7528 (Backend Deadlock during rescheduling) related to the LOCK TABLES issue you saw? It sounds like gigem has a handle on it (at least from a code perspective, but thought if there was also a DB perspective, you might want to mention/discuss with him. |
| [01:41:13] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: for the slashdot-avoidance: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 06614#406614 |
| [01:43:58] | antgel: | hmm. of course, with my debug build, vdpau is "working". however it's jerking badly. 5% cpu usage though. that's tomorrow night's project... |
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| [01:46:34] | wagnerrp: | antgel: what content? |
| [01:46:57] | wagnerrp: | ive done h264 encodes where it jerks badly |
| [01:47:19] | wagnerrp: | if you get it too many reference frames, things like that |
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| [01:48:03] | antgel: | wagnerrp: i'd be lying if i said i knew offhand, but it's a BBC HD broadcast |
| [01:48:20] | wagnerrp: | that should play fine on vdpau |
| [01:48:41] | wagnerrp: | since its designed to be decoded by other similarly restrictive hardware decoders |
| [01:48:54] | antgel: | got nvidia 185.18.36 |
| [01:49:15] | antgel: | ah, it still hangs when trying to play a recorded BBC HD clip |
| [01:49:28] | antgel: | anyway it's enough for one night, thanks :) |
| [01:49:46] | sphery: | well... here goes nothing... about to test with the 4pin connector (hope I don't blow up the CPU/mobo) |
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| [01:52:23] | skd5aner: | HDPVR – records great, can't playback the recordings though :( Looks like I need to get a VPDAU capable card |
| [01:52:31] | skd5aner: | VDPAU |
| [01:54:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you need a very beefy processor to play HDPVR recordings |
| [01:55:00] | wagnerrp: | (unless youre that crackhead on the wiki recording 1080i @4.4mbps) |
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| [01:56:58] | ** Dave123 thinks he successfully upgraded ** | |
| [01:57:16] | Dave123: | vdpau looks awesome |
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| [01:58:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: how does the HD-PVR determine the bitrate? |
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| [01:58:48] | skd5aner: | is it based on the source bitrate? |
| [01:58:55] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you tell it, through the recording profiles |
| [01:59:01] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: there is no 'source bitrate' |
| [01:59:10] | skd5aner: | well – true |
| [01:59:21] | skd5aner: | thanks, didn't think to check the recroding profiles in the frontend |
| [01:59:46] | skd5aner: | been a LONG time since I've had to look at those menus :) |
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| [02:01:20] | Rigor_M: | hi |
| [02:01:32] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: is there any suggested bitrate recommendations/recording profiles for the HD-PVR? |
| [02:02:12] | Rigor_M: | is these a second site for the svn server ? |
| [02:02:13] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [02:02:18] | wagnerrp: | Rigor_M: no |
| [02:02:38] | Rigor_M: | to bad |
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| [02:02:50] | wagnerrp: | just going to have to wait for the article to push far enough off the top of slashdot |
| [02:03:10] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: I have a HDPVR and I crank the setting all the may up so that I can get the best quality. |
| [02:03:58] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: I am assuming disk space is not an issue |
| [02:05:19] | Almost: | Any advice on troubleshooting a mythdora 10 fresh install with no sound (either in mythtv or external to the app) |
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| [02:09:12] | antgel: | wagnerrp: i sorted it. only 128MB allocated to onboard graphics in BIOS *blush* |
| [02:09:50] | antgel: | it looks great without any VDPAU deinterlacer, guess that means that the deinterlacer in my TV is decent |
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| [02:10:17] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: well, disk space is a little bit of a precious commodity right now, got less than 10% free, just added 2 additional HD tuners AND the HDPVR |
| [02:10:19] | antgel: | now must really get to bed, why do i *always* stay up too late |
| [02:10:33] | skd5aner: | I'll have to bump it down at least a little until I get a VDPAU card |
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| [02:12:54] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Do you record at 720p or 1080i or a mixture. I force my STB to only send 720p so I balance between disk space and quality. |
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| [02:15:43] | lotia: | congrats to the developers on 0.22. |
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| [02:17:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: in case you wondered, it's a negative on 4-pin cable to an 8-pin mobo. seems to check it first |
| [02:18:09] | sphery: | so, ordering a new PSU and will upgrade one of my non-80 PLUS PSU's earlier than anticipated |
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| [02:23:05] | Rigor_M: | Is there a given reason for the downtime for the website ? |
| [02:23:16] | mangus580: | I was just wondering the same thing |
| [02:23:20] | iamlindoro: | Slashdot |
| [02:23:35] | Rigor_M: | the website is hosted there ? |
| [02:23:49] | iamlindoro: | no, the website is being demolished by the readers thereof |
| [02:24:03] | iamlindoro: | google "slashdot effect" |
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| [02:24:35] | Rigor_M: | ok, i'll go read on that |
| [02:24:45] | gizmobay: | Is there a themes IRC channel? |
| [02:24:54] | iamlindoro: | #mythtv-theming |
| [02:25:00] | gizmobay: | thanks |
| [02:25:02] | iamlindoro: | which is about writing themes, not for user questions |
| [02:25:08] | iamlindoro: | (which would belong here) |
| [02:25:17] | gizmobay: | okay |
| [02:25:35] | Rigor_M: | the themes for 0.22 looks great.. |
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| [02:26:26] | superdug: | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mythtv.org |
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| [02:26:28] | superdug: | :-( |
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| [02:27:14] | superdug: | okay ... |
| [02:27:17] | superdug: | now it works again |
| [02:27:30] | wagnerrp: | add an apache directive that blocks everyone with a referrer at slashdot.org |
| [02:27:45] | wagnerrp: | that way it just looks down for the slashdotters |
| [02:27:51] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: Any chance you could look at and go "huh?" at http://pastebin.com/m14a90430 |
| [02:28:23] | Dibblah: | ... One of my complaints with Myth logging is that the QUERIES are not as useful as the... well. responses. |
| [02:28:55] | Dibblah: | Yes, it's not right. I know that. |
| [02:30:10] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: sphery may be the best person to take a look, he just understands the QSQL internals way, way better than I |
| [02:30:30] | iamlindoro: | I am happy to try to help, he may just be able to help much more constructively |
| [02:30:47] | Dibblah: | It's just inheritance that's tripping me up at the moment, I believe. |
| [02:31:01] | Dibblah: | ... My ::next never gets called. |
| [02:31:59] | sphery: | Dibblah: would probably be fine--though a real performance hog... Probably want to use QSqlQuery::record() to get information about the fields, though. |
| [02:32:33] | superdug: | Does anyone know of a place with pre-built OSX .22-release builds? |
| [02:32:37] | Dibblah: | Sure – I don't care _too_ much about the performance, since -v database, extra is required. |
| [02:32:47] | sphery: | right... |
| [02:32:54] | sphery: | that's why it would be fine |
| [02:34:13] | Dibblah: | How do I get a record object, though? I looked at that and gave up :( |
| [02:34:25] | ** Dibblah is not good with proper languages :( ** | |
| [02:35:04] | Dibblah: | QSqlRecord record=record(); |
| [02:35:07] | Dibblah: | Doh. |
| [02:36:14] | sphery: | query.record(), but yeah |
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| [02:38:43] | Dibblah: | There is no query object in next() |
| [02:39:30] | sphery: | Dibblah: also, I think it's calling your function without any problems--but your "if (VB_EXTRA & VB_DATABASE)" is always false. VB_EXTRA and VB_DATABASE are just the values in the enum used to define/specify logging at that level. You need to & them with the actual log level variable (whose name I don't know, but is probably in mythverbose) |
| [02:39:43] | sphery: | ah, yeah, so, it's this. |
| [02:39:50] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I just found it :) |
| [02:39:53] | sphery: | (since you're in MSqlQuery) |
| [02:40:04] | sphery: | so no need for query. |
| [02:40:14] | syncmaster4: | upgraded to 0.22 (great job on that!!) but cannot record any more. I've been searching for the past day and a 1/2 but the slashdot traffic makes it difficult. Any pointers? |
| [02:40:32] | sphery: | syncmaster4: look at the backend log files and fix the issues it mentions |
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| [02:41:13] | syncmaster4: | MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: StartEncoding failed |
| [02:41:16] | syncmaster4: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [02:41:35] | syncmaster4: | I've found a few references but no solutions |
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| [02:43:38] | Dibblah: | mythdbcon.cpp:469: error: no match for call to ‘(QSqlRecord) ()’ |
| [02:43:53] | Rigor_M: | the www seems to b working but the svn.mythtv.org is still down |
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| [02:44:51] | Dibblah: | Okay. I have output, it seems to work acceptablyish. Of course, the queries will get mangled by thread contention :( |
| [02:45:42] | Dibblah: | It would be nice to be able to get a unique connection ID. |
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| [02:47:50] | syncmaster4: | spherry: you are referring to mythbackend.log, correct? |
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| [02:53:32] | sphery: | Dibblah: each thread should be using different MSqlQueries... do you have a current pastebin |
| [02:54:11] | sphery: | syncmaster4: yeah, mythbackend log file... I don't know what that issue is. Usually see that typeof stuff when setting up non-ivtv cards as ivtv or ivtv cards as V4L |
| [02:54:31] | sphery: | Dibblah: (current pastebin of your patch) |
| [02:54:44] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.com/m491b5bf |
| [02:54:59] | Dibblah: | Not patch, just the raw text. |
| [02:55:09] | sphery: | that works |
| [02:56:14] | sphery: | Dibblah: the QSqlRecord record = record(); didn't work? Have the full error text? Might just need an #include |
| [02:56:30] | Dibblah: | mythdbcon.cpp:469: error: no match for call to ‘(QSqlRecord) ()’ |
| [02:56:37] | Dibblah: | I already have the include |
| [02:56:45] | sphery: | which is line 469? |
| [02:56:51] | sphery: | the commentded on? |
| [02:56:59] | sphery: | one |
| [02:57:01] | Dibblah: | Yeah |
| [02:57:27] | Dibblah: | #include <QSqlRecord> |
| [02:57:39] | Weezey: | fast forwarding isn't very smooth upon upgrading to .22, anything I need to check/change? |
| [02:57:59] | sphery: | Dibblah: try QSqlRecord record=QSqlQuery::record(); |
| [02:58:45] | Dibblah: | Aha! Thank you! |
| [02:58:48] | sphery: | Dibblah: as for the thread contention, are you actually seeing mixed up results? If so, that probably means we have some issues in other code |
| [02:59:16] | Dibblah: | The threads in the pool aren't serialised, are they? |
| [02:59:42] | Dibblah: | I don't believe I am, but need to check. It's rather verbose :) |
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| [02:59:53] | Dibblah: | And it's 3AM. Oops. |
| [03:00:02] | mangus580: | is there a favored method of transcoding for a portable format? |
| [03:01:18] | sphery: | Dibblah: yeah, the QSqlQuery (and, therefore, the MSqlQuery wrapper) /is/ the connection and is used only by a single thread--we ask for one, use it, finish using it, return it |
| [03:02:05] | sphery: | so there shouldn't be thread issues--if there are with your patch, they existed before and should be causing all sorts of problems since it's not designed for multithreaded/multi-statement use |
| [03:02:48] | Dibblah: | Now I'm completely confused. |
| [03:03:06] | Dibblah: | make distclean / make / make install is not changing the behavior of the code. |
| [03:03:20] | Dibblah: | A debug print is still happening. |
| [03:03:32] | Dibblah: | ... Which I removed about 20 minutes ago :( |
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| [03:04:02] | syncmaster4: | sphery: ok, thanks for the input. I"ve found a few posts about the same issue but no solutions. Do you think I can correct through myth-setup? This was working and stable on 0.21 and everything else seems fine (previous recordings work great). I can cat /dev/video0 successfully. |
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| [03:05:42] | sphery: | syncmaster4: is this with the PVR-350 TV out? |
| [03:05:46] | skd5aner: | Quick question – what breaks if you change the channel number? I wanted to update some of my QAM channels from something like 220__7 to just 220 |
| [03:06:02] | skd5aner: | I did this via the channel's table in mythweb |
| [03:06:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: absolutely nothing--channel number and channel name/description are user-editable user data, not used by myth |
| [03:06:22] | sphery: | just don't change freqid |
| [03:06:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: the only purpose of channel number is to allow you to change to a channel in LiveTV mode by hitting buttons on the remote (i.e. without going through the EPG) |
| [03:06:58] | Dibblah: | Wow. It just appears to work, thanks to your serious wizardry :) |
| [03:06:59] | sphery: | so channel number is just a "for LiveTV users only" thing |
| [03:07:09] | skd5aner: | sphery: That's what I thought, but when I went into mythtv-setup on my SBE, when i went to exit it said something about a recording that was supposed to record on a channel number that wasn't there (or something) |
| [03:07:11] | sphery: | all else is just display-related usage |
| [03:07:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: chances are you didn't change your starting channel in your input connections or video source or wherever |
| [03:07:52] | sphery: | so it's still referring to an old-numbered channel |
| [03:07:58] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.com/m5f4ccb40 |
| [03:08:02] | sphery: | just go to mythtv-setup and fix that by selecting a valid one |
| [03:08:18] | sphery: | Dibblah: what's performance like? |
| [03:08:22] | skd5aner: | Ahh – if that's the starting channel, then easy fix |
| [03:08:25] | syncmaster4: | sphery: yes – PVR-350 |
| [03:08:34] | Dibblah: | Actually, it's surprisingly not too nasty. |
| [03:08:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: easy fix – thank you again sir! |
| [03:08:59] | sphery: | Dibblah: also, use, "if (print_verbose_messages & (VB_DATABASE|VB_EXTRA)) |
| [03:09:02] | Dibblah: | I don't see that there should be any difference without -v database,extra |
| [03:09:04] | sphery: | pretty sure that's right |
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| [03:10:18] | sphery: | Dibblah: that way it should only go into that conditional/look at all the values when both VB_DATABASE and VB_EXTRA are applied |
| [03:10:30] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [03:12:02] | sphery: | actually, I think I'm wrong on that.... |
| [03:13:51] | sphery: | that would actually enter it if either is set... |
| [03:15:43] | sphery: | Dibblah: we'd actually need: if ((print_verbose_messages & (VB_DATABASE|VB_EXTRA)) == (VB_DATABASE|VB_EXTRA)) |
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| [03:16:27] | Dibblah: | Are you sure? print_verbose... is only set when VB_EXTRA is set, isn't it? |
| [03:16:40] | Dibblah: | Otherwise, other code in mythdbcon is wrong too... |
| [03:16:49] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait – it is. :( |
| [03:16:52] | sphery: | isn't print_verbose_messages always set |
| [03:17:16] | sphery: | it's the value of all the specified verbose flags we're using for this run, right? |
| [03:17:25] | Dibblah: | if (print_verbose_messages & VB_DATABASE) |
| [03:17:25] | sphery: | which code in mythdbcon is wrong? |
| [03:17:32] | Dibblah: | From ::exec |
| [03:17:37] | Dibblah: | Oh! |
| [03:17:41] | Dibblah: | No, you are right. |
| [03:17:46] | Dibblah: | Of course. |
| [03:18:01] | Dibblah: | The print_verbose... is the current verbose flags. |
| [03:18:16] | sphery: | yeah, that's only working on VB_DATABASE... the VB_EXTRA is what's making it confusing/more complex. |
| [03:20:39] | Dibblah: | Also, we're not setting forward_only on these queries. |
| [03:21:01] | Dibblah: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qsqlquery.html#setForwardOnly |
| [03:21:26] | Dibblah: | On the datasets of Myth's size, though, I doubt it really matters :) |
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| [03:23:18] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: What is the issue? |
| [03:23:45] | bubba_: | my setup: storage server (nfs) with video files |
| [03:24:02] | bubba_: | and a backend with 2x frontends none on the backend |
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| [03:24:13] | RDV_Linux: | I will contact you in a pm just a second |
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| [03:24:17] | bubba_: | k |
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| [03:25:22] | Dibblah: | sphery: Thanks! http://pastebin.com/m64727daa |
| [03:25:42] | Dibblah: | No perf impact without extra. |
| [03:25:47] | sphery: | did you get my question about whether you can tell what values mean? |
| [03:25:58] | sphery: | or did it get lost in the netsplit? |
| [03:25:59] | Dibblah: | It's the same as the bind order. |
| [03:26:38] | Dibblah: | However, now I have the record object, sure. |
| [03:26:45] | sphery: | yeah, but with a query returning lots of rows, by the time we get to the end and with all the other output in the logs, it could be confusing |
| [03:27:15] | sphery: | especially if other queries are executing in other threads and outputting their values (which might have been what you were talking about when you mentioned threads--if so, I misunderstood) |
| [03:27:51] | sphery: | It would be nice if we could get the connection ID, but it seems that only MDBManager has that |
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| [03:28:43] | Dibblah: | No... |
| [03:28:53] | Dibblah: | There is one in the object itsself. |
| [03:29:05] | sphery: | in the MSqlQuery? or the QSqlQuery? |
| [03:30:29] | Dibblah: | MSqlQuery has the last query... |
| [03:30:55] | Dibblah: | As in the text of it. |
| [03:31:38] | sphery: | ah, that would be lots of extra log output writing that for each row--especially with the BUSQ :) |
| [03:32:02] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [03:32:04] | sphery: | probably good enough without it... if we need it, we can maybe add a way to get some kind of ID |
| [03:32:12] | Dibblah: | I think I've taken this as far as I can :( |
| [03:32:17] | sphery: | it looks good |
| [03:32:57] | sphery: | I probably won't take the ticket right away--will let someone else take a look (like jan neg, perhaps) to get another pair of eyes on it |
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| [03:33:03] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.com/m536e551e |
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| [03:33:08] | sphery: | if no one else does, I may take it |
| [03:33:19] | sphery: | I like it... |
| [03:33:35] | Dibblah: | Bugged me for some time that the important bit – the results of the query – were not in the debug logs. |
| [03:33:47] | Dibblah: | And you had to fiddle and guess. |
| [03:34:06] | sphery: | yeah... I like that it's not for -v database (which is already overly verbose), but is for -v database,extra |
| [03:34:45] | Dibblah: | Output looks like http://pastebin.com/m42162e6b |
| [03:35:13] | sphery: | nice... not too bad |
| [03:36:01] | Dibblah: | Maybe we need an extraextrareadallaboutit flag? |
| [03:36:51] | sphery: | those cases where we abuse the next() (and don't loop, but just assume, "It's only supposed to be one value, so I'll just do next() once and get the value," should be nice and confusing to someone following the logs--and not seeing, "MSqlQuery::next() – End of results" for the query :) |
| [03:37:17] | sphery: | lol, good flag name |
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| [03:37:55] | sphery: | Dibblah: are you making a ticket for it? |
| [03:38:08] | sphery: | or, I suppose that might be hard, now, with website issues :) |
| [03:38:10] | Dibblah: | Will do... |
| [03:38:13] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [03:38:20] | sphery: | whenever Trac lets you ;) |
| [03:38:33] | Dibblah: | No, whenever I manage to crawl out of bed. |
| [03:38:48] | Dibblah: | That's the only problem with getting "interested" in a problem :( |
| [03:38:56] | sphery: | probably a good idea to wait--website issues may clear up by then |
| [03:39:00] | sphery: | no joke |
| [03:39:23] | sphery: | other problem is that you end up having >1122 recordings unwatched/undeleted because you spent free time coding instead of watching recordings |
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| [03:39:51] | sphery: | 1134 right now... |
| [03:39:58] | ** sphery goes to watch & delete some of them ** | |
| [03:40:05] | Dibblah: | :) Night! |
| [03:40:16] | sphery: | night--and thanks for the patch |
| [03:40:37] | Dibblah: | You wrote half of it :) |
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| [03:40:57] | sandeen: | ... is there no way to delete one specific capture card? mythtvsetup gives me the option to delete -all- .... |
| [03:41:06] | Dibblah: | press d |
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| [03:41:32] | sandeen: | hah, awesome :) thanks |
| [03:41:37] | sphery: | Dibblah: I didn't do that much--besides, the blank paper problem is /much/ harder to solve |
| [03:42:44] | syncmaster4: | sphery: it is a pvr-350; delete and re-install? |
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| [03:49:08] | sphery: | syncmaster4: using the PVR-350 TV out or using a real graphics card |
| [03:49:51] | syncmaster4: | sphery: pvr |
| [03:50:40] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/271732#271732 perhaps... Though, really, your best bet is to get a real video card and don't use the PVR-350's TV out (it's an anachronism, anyway--serves no purpose with modern computers) |
| [03:50:59] | sphery: | and the PVR-350 TV out support in Myth is basically bitrotting code with no maintainer |
| [03:51:05] | sphery: | so if it doesn't work... |
| [03:51:13] | syncmaster4: | sphery: I'm finding this issue is not just 350 but probably x50 related; http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 61?page=last |
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| [03:51:47] | syncmaster4: | playing video is fine (previously recorded), I can't record new shows |
| [03:52:13] | sphery: | you upgraded the DB you had working on 0.21-fixes? |
| [03:52:44] | syncmaster4: | Yes, no errors and everything else seems to work. Upgraded centos 5.4 from atrpms |
| [03:52:46] | sphery: | and didn't reconfigure cards? If that's the case, do the capture cards portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 . If that doesn't fix it, I have a feeling it's the PVR-350 TV out stuff. |
| [03:53:18] | sphery: | i.e. if it is just a PVR-x50 thing it's that you have the wrong inputs configured because you're using a newer version of the driver |
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| [03:53:44] | sphery: | so you need to delete /all/ capture cards (otherwise you won't delete all the broken stuff) and then re-create the capture cards and re-connect inputs |
| [03:53:51] | sphery: | you won't lose /any/ channels or video sources that |
| [03:53:53] | sphery: | way |
| [03:54:04] | squish102: | can anyone give me a hint to what "events/1" is when i look in top. it always seems to be consuming 25% cpu |
| [03:54:13] | sphery: | you only lose the capture card itself (which takes all of 10 seconds to re-create) |
| [03:55:17] | syncmaster4: | Ok, go I'll run through the link you provided first and if that doesn't do it I'll delete the card from mythtv-setup |
| [03:55:40] | clever: | syncmaster4: i think its the events thread (kernel driver thingy) on the 2nd cpu core |
| [03:56:18] | sphery: | syncmaster4: the delete capture cards stuff is probably easier to do, so I'd do it first |
| [03:57:06] | syncmaster4: | clever: *gasp* only one core... Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| [03:57:27] | syncmaster4: | sphery: ok, I'll do that and let you know what happens |
| [03:57:33] | sphery: | that was for squish102 , though, right, clever |
| [03:57:40] | squish102: | clever thanks |
| [03:57:41] | clever: | syncmaster4: not shure on the details of that threat, but id check dmesg to see if its spewing warnings |
| [03:59:16] | squish102: | dmesg seems to be spewing nothing? /var/log dir seems stable, cant see anything new added in the last minute |
| [04:00:08] | clever: | then maybe an existing device is spewing events |
| [04:00:16] | clever: | are you hammering the space key to make top update more? :P |
| [04:00:58] | squish102: | lol |
| [04:01:21] | squish102: | i cannot think of any new device i have plugged in... could it be usb devices too? |
| [04:01:31] | mangus580: | I am confused... in 0.22 how can you choose a show in the schedule to watch in live tv |
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| [04:02:43] | squish102: | i'm gonna try reboot |
| [04:02:45] | high-rez: | Is the SVN server having issues? |
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| [04:04:01] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: yes, a milliion geeks clicked at once, and then the server was silenced |
| [04:04:38] | high-rez: | :) |
| [04:04:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Wait a sec, I didn't click on it! |
| [04:05:17] | high-rez: | 1,000,001 |
| [04:05:52] | high-rez: | so much for my i'll upgrade after work plan |
| [04:05:52] | high-rez: | :D |
| [04:06:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | bummer... missed the Leno show tonight because channel 7 moved their broadcast frequency.. bums... |
| [04:07:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, saw that ticket earlier. if gigem's patch doesn't solve the issue, I'll mention the preparelock issue. need to get rid of that lock in trunk anyway, so could backport the un-static fix and then totally remove the lock in trunk. |
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| [04:07:20] | sphery: | high-rez: packages should still be available from major distros |
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| [04:08:01] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: cool... I didn't remember the details, but figured you'd know what's up/whether your research into the issue applied. |
| [04:08:24] | high-rez: | not so much from gentoo i think |
| [04:09:03] | sphery: | heh, well in that case, "there are distros that have it pre-built for you." |
| [04:09:10] | high-rez: | its all good. ill mess around tomorrow :) |
| [04:09:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | we'd need a backtrace from the user showing us locked in our prepare, that would indicate the preparelock issue. it could be that, I'm not discounting it, just giving gigem's patch a try first since the user did debug it to that lock. |
| [04:10:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:10:14] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: ive got a svn dump from trunk from a couple days ago if you want to try it |
| [04:10:20] | sphery: | not questioning your judgment--just wanted to make sure you saw it |
| [04:10:24] | wagnerrp: | along with an ebuild to use it with |
| [04:11:13] | sphery: | I have -fixes r22766 |
| [04:11:39] | sphery: | which is right before all the stuff I backported :) |
| [04:11:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | not thinking the judgment part. :) just explaining reasoning in case I forget about it later and you have to remind me. :) |
| [04:11:57] | sphery: | from 11/07/2009 04:37 PM |
| [04:12:17] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: sounds good... now that it's in my IRC logs, I can actually remember it :) |
| [04:12:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | my memory only goes back 5000 lines. :) |
| [04:12:55] | sphery: | heh, I have logs going back a few years |
| [04:13:23] | sphery: | 279MiB worth, it seems |
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| [04:17:20] | wagnerrp: | now i remember why gentoo switched from subversion exports to the zip files from track |
| [04:17:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre getting mirrored on the gentoo servers, so there is no load on mythtv's |
| [04:17:56] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:18:04] | sphery: | I didn't realize that |
| [04:18:52] | wagnerrp: | i remember hearing that explanation months ago, but forgetting it |
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| [04:19:44] | wagnerrp: | although i guess if high-rez couldnt pull the package, they havent done it yet |
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| [04:26:18] | high-rez: | spherry: I was told if I sucked up enough, I might be able to convince you to hook me up with a copy of your tree. ;) |
| [04:26:35] | high-rez: | s/spherry/sphery/sorry |
| [04:26:59] | wagnerrp: | actually... what would be more up-to-date? -fixes 22766? or trunk 22729? |
| [04:27:09] | wagnerrp: | (ive got the latter) |
| [04:27:21] | high-rez: | Isn't the tag revision independant? |
| [04:27:41] | high-rez: | I would think 22766 :) |
| [04:28:40] | wagnerrp: | trunk is trunk, everything gets put in trunk |
| [04:28:44] | wagnerrp: | -fixes is just small things that are getting backported (slowly) from trunk |
| [04:29:40] | wagnerrp: | so sphery's may be a newer copy, but mine might have more 'fixes' in it |
| [04:30:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | technically, yours might have less broken things in it, since fixes should go in trunk first and then be backported/merged. :) |
| [04:30:11] | wagnerrp: | anyway, sphery, dont worry about it, im just sending him mine |
| [04:30:34] | high-rez: | right now there's no active feature development in trunk right? |
| [04:31:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | high-rez, no, there are new features being added, there have been since the -fixes branch was created over a month ago |
| [04:31:40] | wagnerrp: | let me know if you want ebuilds to go along with those |
| [04:31:47] | sphery: | heh, just noticed the discussion |
| [04:31:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/over/around/ :) can't recall exact date. |
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| [04:32:26] | sphery: | so in trunk, there's completely changed audio handling, there's behind-the-scenes screen loading |
| [04:32:37] | sphery: | all other trunk-only things are much smaller changes, IIRC |
| [04:33:08] | high-rez: | Ehh, it's all going to the staging system first anyways. |
| [04:33:15] | sphery: | but if you want my -fixes r22766, I can make it available |
| [04:33:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, those are the only major things I can think of. daniel's patch today for the OSD menu thing was middle-sized. |
| [04:33:34] | high-rez: | Learned my lesson: stage and test, if all is good, then and only then push to the system the wife uses. :) |
| [04:34:15] | ** sphery still has to test the overridden settings/settings cache changes, too--I think that we can now disable overrides within a session ** | |
| [04:34:31] | sphery: | high-rez: always a good plan |
| [04:34:58] | xris: | grumble. all of the sound on my mythbox just went away |
| [04:35:17] | ** mag0o points to the mute button ** | |
| [04:35:26] | mag0o: | :) |
| [04:35:28] | xris: | wish it was that simple |
| [04:35:49] | wagnerrp: | sadly, for me it is |
| [04:35:50] | xris: | been having trouble with some fedora libs lately. first gnome-terminal stopped working, now it's probably something with pulseaudio |
| [04:35:54] | sphery: | xris: did you check out to see if pulse is being re-enabled? |
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| [04:36:22] | high-rez: | I wrote a perl script that uses the lirc module – so that when you hit the power button on the xbox remote it'll do killall -9 mythfrontend && killall -9 mythbackend (they run in a loop). |
| [04:36:41] | wagnerrp: | 'why is there no sound?' 'because its muted...' 'but its not muted' 'no, the receiver, the sound goes through the receiver' '<grumble...>' |
| [04:37:13] | high-rez: | I wish my sound went through a receiver. I've got a creative 5.1 speaker setup that I use – till I can convince the wife I need something louder. :) |
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| [04:38:50] | wagnerrp: | xris: there is sound, you just cant hear it because you just fired your gun into a closet |
| [04:40:26] | high-rez: | xris: This is how I deal with problems like yours: http://pastebin.com/mef1abc4 |
| [04:40:31] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
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| [04:44:36] | xris: | actually... I upgraded the firmware on my TV. had to reset the *name* of the hdmi1 input to "hdmi dvi pc".. and then sound comes back |
| [04:44:53] | xris: | yay samsung. |
| [05:00:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:01:06] | sphery: | kind of like how they have a special "no processing" override if you change the name of the input to "Game" (to allow less latency when playing video games) |
| [05:01:58] | sphery: | we could do the same--if the hostname is masterbackend, then the system is the master backend. |
| [05:02:04] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:07:24] | Gumby: | what if you set the hostname ot masterbated |
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| [05:35:18] | syncmaster4: | sphery: no luck with the pvr-350. I found this but not sure I can use it w/ the 350: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406661 |
| [05:39:41] | sphery: | syncmaster4: that sounds like the problem. I don't know CentOS/ATrpms, so you'll have to figure that part out |
| [05:39:57] | sphery: | ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406812#406812 part) |
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| [05:41:57] | syncmaster4: | ok, i;ll check into it tomorrow – bed time. thanks for all your help |
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| [05:47:55] | sphery: | good luck |
| [06:00:37] | BlueCamel: | so, all happy with vdpau/0.22/190 now |
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| [06:21:34] | Wicked: | hello all. i have my achived tv episodes arranged like "/tv/show/season#/shows.mpg" when getting info for the shows it will download artwork for the show...and for the season...but when browsing the main tv folder the show does not have any artwork...is it possilbe to tell myth to use some kinda artwork for that? |
| [06:21:53] | Wicked: | i mean it sets artwork for each season folder...just not the main folder for the show |
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| [06:32:28] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: 'folder.jpg' |
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| [06:33:10] | Wicked: | hmm. so you can only manually do this? |
| [06:34:52] | wagnerrp: | i believe it chooses the first image from the first folder, all the way up the directory structure |
| [06:35:06] | wagnerrp: | so it should still pull an image |
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| [06:36:57] | wagnerrp: | no... you need a folder.jpg |
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| [08:08:51] | mzb: | congrats to devs for current ... looking very nice |
| [08:09:31] | mzb: | all the fanart changes I previously setup on the main FE (and forgot about) suddenly working (in recordings as well) |
| [08:09:36] | mzb: | looks *great* |
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| [08:10:17] | mzb: | is there a plan afoot to support playback of iso's prior to release of 0.22? |
| [08:10:37] | mzb: | _or_ is there an accepted method of getting around it? |
| [08:11:00] | justinh: | 0.22 is released already |
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| [08:11:18] | justinh: | ".:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.22 .:." |
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| [08:11:47] | justinh: | I hear there are top men working on ido support in SGs. TOP. MEN. |
| [08:11:54] | justinh: | s/ido/iso |
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| [08:13:55] | justinh: | anyhoo the plan is for somebody to get ISO support (among other things) into 0.23 |
| [08:17:23] | justinh: | !trout pla |
| [08:17:23] | ** MythLogBot slaps pla with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [08:17:45] | justinh: | stop fricking spaming twitter with news of your recordings man! |
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| [08:38:15] | justinh: | rm -rf /mythic/themework |
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| [08:38:17] | justinh: | AGAIN |
| [08:45:16] | wagnerrp: | so... nothing with the Henry Jones reference? |
| [08:45:56] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the americans are all asleep, and the brits have better things to do than hop on IRC in the morning |
| [08:46:31] | justinh: | who now? |
| [08:47:50] | wagnerrp: | Henry... Jones... Junior |
| [08:47:59] | justinh: | still none the wiser |
| [08:47:59] | wagnerrp: | you werent talking about someone named after the dog were you? |
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| [08:49:41] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097576/quotes#qt0357981 |
| [08:49:48] | justinh: | ahhh |
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| [08:51:13] | ** justinh kicks firefox in the nuts ** | |
| [08:51:35] | wagnerrp: | whats it not doing now? |
| [08:51:44] | justinh: | just working |
| [08:51:48] | wagnerrp: | btw, your foot's on fire |
| [08:52:02] | justinh: | everything else with it is fine, apart from the workingness |
| [08:52:03] | Gumby: | I thought fire only came out the other end |
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| [08:52:20] | wagnerrp: | there's fire in them loins |
| [08:52:36] | justinh: | and there I was thinking nothing could ever suck more than konqueror |
| [08:52:53] | mzb: | justinh, thanks. Wondered if I'd missed anything |
| [08:53:11] | mzb: | either way ... is there an "accepted" workaround for iso's? |
| [08:53:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, use direct file access |
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| [08:53:26] | wagnerrp: | the old method |
| [08:53:28] | justinh: | mzb: yeah. don't put em in a storage group |
| [08:53:30] | wagnerrp: | still works just fine |
| [08:53:54] | mzb: | play with external player? or just _not_ in storage group? |
| [08:54:01] | justinh: | the latter |
| [08:54:05] | mzb: | that's ... different |
| [08:54:16] | justinh: | i.e. NFS or whatever |
| [08:54:20] | mzb: | I've got avi's and mpegs and iso's all mixed |
| [08:54:38] | wagnerrp: | so just use the old method for all of them |
| [08:54:38] | justinh: | maybe time to move the ISOs then :) |
| [08:54:53] | mzb: | yeah, thinking about it :) |
| [08:55:00] | mzb: | but not as nice to browse |
| [08:55:01] | justinh: | but since you're having to set up NFS for one thing... |
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| [08:55:21] | mzb: | already got nfs ... but this is for the main FE |
| [08:55:34] | justinh: | all SGs would do is *save* users from having to set up shares. if you already have em.. what do you really gain? |
| [08:55:36] | mzb: | no need for mythvideo on most of the other FE's |
| [08:56:09] | mzb: | ok, so if I just remove the video storage group I should be right? |
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| [08:56:26] | justinh: | I dunno what removing a group would do |
| [08:57:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, if you remove the 'Videos' group, mythvideo will wipe them from the database on the next scan |
| [08:57:14] | mzb: | I can see I'm either going to make browsing more difficult (separate dirs for different types), or lose all my metadata |
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| [08:57:59] | mzb: | although I thought I heard the word "relocation" being mentioned in relation to jamu recently |
| [08:58:13] | wagnerrp: | if you know mysql, you can alter the entries manually and keep all your metadata |
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| [08:58:38] | mzb: | I do, but ... |
| [08:58:42] | mzb: | hmm |
| [08:59:09] | wagnerrp: | remove the host, and prepend the full path to the storage folder |
| [08:59:21] | mzb: | yep |
| [08:59:47] | wagnerrp: | and full paths for all the images (file videos and SG images dont mix) |
| [09:00:18] | mzb: | iso images? |
| [09:00:25] | wagnerrp: | image images |
| [09:00:33] | wagnerrp: | coverart, fanart, banners, ... |
| [09:00:50] | mzb: | um, I think they are already |
| [09:01:20] | mzb: | I'll give it a go ... and think about reorganising them a bit while I'm there |
| [09:01:29] | mzb: | thanks both for your help |
| [09:01:51] | mzb: | ... might play a bit of TORCS first though ;) |
| [09:02:03] | mzb: | (while the cat's away;) |
| [09:02:27] | justinh: | while the cat's away, play with the cat from next door? |
| [09:02:57] | mzb: | lol |
| [09:03:40] | mzb: | haven't met any of them yet ... but no, not feeding/stroking two pussies |
| [09:03:49] | mzb: | been there in a past life :| |
| [09:04:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:04:04] | mzb: | (scratches to prove it;) |
| [09:05:21] | ** mzb resumes lap 8/41 ** | |
| [09:06:30] | justinh: | ooo eck. Better tell my wife to give Google a miss today. Big Bird is in the banner |
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| [09:09:18] | jca: | Anyone tried to put mythtv on a samsung tv? |
| [09:09:30] | justinh: | sigh |
| [09:09:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the guy on here recording to /dev/shm |
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| [09:10:24] | justinh: | oh is that cos some tvs run 'linux' as in the kernel & a whole load of closed source binary blobs to drive the hardware? |
| [09:11:02] | justinh: | I'd give anybody trying to do that slightly higher than a snowball's chance in hell, but I wouldn't bet my house on it ever working |
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| [09:11:41] | justinh: | FWIW, would *you* wanna risk bricking your teevee? |
| [09:14:14] | justinh: | personally, I can't wait to see the next linux wristwatch. that could surely run a myth frontend. Y'know, cos it runs linux! |
| [09:15:31] | justinh: | btw I'm not saying that having a myth frontend built into & running on the teevee wouldn't be a great idea. It blimmin would – but it's just not a very realistic proposition what with the state of manufacturers being tight-lipped about drivers & all |
| [09:16:03] | wagnerrp: | best youre going to get is a moded case that has an ION built in |
| [09:16:29] | wagnerrp: | easiest would be on ION or macmini strapped to the VESA mount on the back of your TV |
| [09:17:29] | justinh: | why hide a mac mini? ;-) |
| [09:17:36] | wagnerrp: | there are some all-in-one units that would work |
| [09:17:51] | wagnerrp: | but then youre paying $1000 for a $200 TV and a $250 PC |
| [09:17:59] | justinh: | those teevees with built-in PC harware. heh |
| [09:18:16] | justinh: | PCI-e cards on flexi cables. niiiice |
| [09:18:34] | wagnerrp: | justinh: because it doesnt match anything else next to your tv? |
| [09:18:55] | justinh: | nothing I've got goes with modern TVs :-( |
| [09:19:07] | wagnerrp: | either you just have a solitary TV on a wall (and you dont want a weird funky box underneath it) |
| [09:19:18] | justinh: | where nowadays you can have any colour so long as it's fugly shiny black plastic |
| [09:19:36] | wagnerrp: | or you have a TV next to a bunch of AV equipment, receiver, dvd player, cd player, whatever.... and you want a PC that looks like those other parts |
| [09:20:37] | justinh: | keep seeing all these catalogues with teevees in em. every last stinking one of them is that cheap looking shiny black stuff |
| [09:20:38] | wagnerrp: | either way, the macmini follows neither convention, and deserves to be hidden/disguised just as any other PC |
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| [09:22:12] | justinh: | heh manufacturers still make other colours – they're just not as widely available at the big consumer sheds |
| [09:25:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they need a big shiny plastic bezel anyway |
| [09:26:07] | justinh: | some don't |
| [09:26:07] | mzb: | friend of mine appears to be finally going back to (?) mythtv (not sure if related to my mention of tv + dimming;)) |
| [09:26:17] | wagnerrp: | i mean they should be able to make one with a quarter inch bezel |
| [09:26:33] | mzb: | says he's got half-a-dozen iMac G5's |
| [09:26:39] | wagnerrp: | all you need is a bit to hide those ribbon cables and excess board on the edge |
| [09:27:10] | wagnerrp: | mzb: supposedly those old G5s are marginally capable of anything HD |
| [09:27:17] | wagnerrp: | they usually choke on HD MPEG2 |
| [09:27:44] | mzb: | afaik, 720p is as good as it gets in .au |
| [09:27:54] | wagnerrp: | resolution doesnt matter |
| [09:28:03] | mzb: | k |
| [09:28:07] | wagnerrp: | although the fact that it is progressive does help since you dont have to deint |
| [09:28:11] | wagnerrp: | its all in the bitrate |
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| [09:28:26] | mzb: | make that almost no HD in .au ;) |
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| [09:28:52] | justinh: | I dunno which is worse. interlacing or non-fluid motion |
| [09:29:21] | wagnerrp: | but seriously, stop making these infinitesimally thin TVs, and get rid of the bezel |
| [09:29:42] | wagnerrp: | stuff enough structure behind it that you dont need much bezel |
| [09:30:02] | justinh: | there's not even any point modern TVs being thin in my house |
| [09:30:13] | justinh: | least not in my livingtoom |
| [09:30:22] | wagnerrp: | stuff some downward firing speakers behind it, and duct it out the bottom |
| [09:30:24] | justinh: | toom? room |
| [09:30:30] | [Peter]: | justinh: I have a 50 fps 720p channel, it's awesome :) |
| [09:30:39] | mzb: | they all want to approach the "moving-picture-device that hangs on the wall" |
| [09:30:42] | [Peter]: | justinh: later revisions of myth is not able to play it any more though |
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| [09:30:47] | justinh: | or have a big box with nice proper speakers inside :D |
| [09:31:04] | wagnerrp: | quarter inch around all the sides, half inch on the bottom for the speaker duct |
| [09:31:08] | justinh: | ahh proper speakers in teevees. I remember them |
| [09:31:19] | wagnerrp: | or yeah.. assume anyone buying a high end TV is going to have a receiver |
| [09:31:51] | wagnerrp: | seriously, who spends $3K-$4K on a TV and doesnt buy a $K or so of audio equipment |
| [09:31:57] | justinh: | funny thing.. actually not funny just strange. Monitors with digital inputs get taxed more than TVs with the same inputs |
| [09:32:17] | justinh: | in.EU |
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| [09:36:50] | wagnerrp: | 'according to data from a uk-based helpline, men are significantly less likely to have read the manual before calling tech support' |
| [09:37:36] | `oobe`: | i think that is most likely true |
| [09:37:48] | justinh: | men phone tech support? heh real men don't |
| [09:37:50] | wagnerrp: | being a 'man', i know ive got that same i-can-do-it-without-help attitude |
| [09:38:04] | wagnerrp: | and try to jump into things without reading the manual |
| [09:38:14] | justinh: | I'm weird |
| [09:38:22] | justinh: | I RTFM before I even buy the damn thing |
| [09:38:28] | wagnerrp: | that follows to reading the manual, reading other material, and doing everything in my power to solve it on my own before asking for help |
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| [09:38:54] | justinh: | before I even thought about installing linux I RTFM |
| [09:39:00] | justinh: | on mythtv for about a week |
| [09:39:24] | justinh: | that *is* definitely weird :) |
| [09:39:40] | wagnerrp: | it really baffles me why people struggle so with mythtv installs |
| [09:39:44] | justinh: | but I'm quite proud of not being a 'real' (mysogynist, ignorant) man :) |
| [09:40:11] | wagnerrp: | surely i spent several weeks trying to get everything working the first time through |
| [09:40:25] | wagnerrp: | but for the life of me, i dont remember what i had struggled with |
| [09:40:38] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I spend about a day playing with mythbuntu a while back, trying to be a 'user' |
| [09:40:50] | eFfeM: | hi, is there a way in the frontend to add channels in an easy way that are found by xmltv (and for which I still have to enter the frequency); I know this can be done through mythweb, but that is not running on this system, and I can't find how to do it in the frontend |
| [09:40:56] | justinh: | eFfeM: no |
| [09:41:13] | wagnerrp: | and now that i know what im doing, and can have mythtv up and running from a fresh database in about 10 minutes, i have no idea what tripped me up |
| [09:41:38] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I remember what tripped me up. the database stuff. oh and mixed package versions |
| [09:41:59] | eFfeM: | justinh: ok, thanks, is there an easy way to do this from setup then (or how do people generally do this) |
| [09:42:11] | justinh: | somehow got 0.16 & 0.15 crossthreaded |
| [09:42:16] | wagnerrp: | i think i struggled with drivers |
| [09:42:19] | justinh: | eFfeM: mythtv-setup |
| [09:42:34] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know why i would have, even back then getting ivtv running amounted to adding one line for modprobe |
| [09:42:48] | justinh: | oh and drivers. patch -pl < patch.txt l is not a number. Yes it ****ing is! look at it.. looks like a 1 to me! |
| [09:43:06] | wagnerrp: | i think i struggled with database permissions, but then i dont know why that would trip me up, seeming so simple to me now |
| [09:43:17] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I had to patch the 2.6.9 kernel to get my dvb tuner to work :) |
| [09:43:39] | justinh: | it ended up being about a fortnight of very late nights |
| [09:43:49] | ** wagnerrp didnt even start using linux until like 2.6.12 ** | |
| [09:43:51] | justinh: | but most of that was waiting for the 800Mhz machine to stop emerging world |
| [09:44:02] | eFfeM: | justinh: i tried mythtv-setup, i know the channel setup menu and can add an individual channel there manually, but could not find a way to import them from the list from xmltv (and no idea how to bind the manual channels to xmltv either) |
| [09:44:21] | justinh: | eFfeM: you don't add channels through xmltv |
| [09:44:24] | justinh: | jees |
| [09:44:40] | justinh: | add the channel in mythtv-setup, put the xmltvid of the channel in the channel editor |
| [09:44:46] | eFfeM: | justinh: maybe i phrased it correctly |
| [09:45:11] | wagnerrp: | i installed it once or twice in the 2.4 times, but i really had no use for it back then |
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| [09:45:30] | justinh: | if you have any channels in your xmltv config which don't show as valid xmltvids in the channel table when you run mythfilldatabase it'll add them & you will see EPG data for them but they will be utterly useless otherwise |
| [09:45:33] | eFfeM: | justinh: ah ok, this is just the opposite of mythweb where I could get a list with the channels from xmltv and fill in a frequency\ |
| [09:45:51] | justinh: | depends what kind of setup you have |
| [09:46:08] | justinh: | if digital TV, add xmltvids to the channel information |
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| [09:46:14] | eFfeM: | justinh: this is analog |
| [09:46:25] | justinh: | whatever that is ;-) |
| [09:46:53] | eFfeM: | justinh, will give it a try, thanks alot |
| [09:47:29] | justinh: | we need people in every non-SD supported country helping come up with new means to set up channels |
| [09:47:50] | justinh: | but prolly by the time people get working on it, analogue will all be dead anyway :) |
| [09:48:22] | ** eFfeM thinks analog might be around for quite a while especially in cable networks ** | |
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| [09:48:44] | justinh: | nah |
| [09:48:56] | wagnerrp: | full broadcast transition is still several years off for many countries |
| [09:49:41] | justinh: | a lot of providers can't wait to get control of the when/where/how we watch again |
| [09:49:45] | eFfeM: | well here in NL analog broadcast is gone, but every cable operator still distributes as analog as otherwise lots of legacy equipment does not work any more |
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| [09:50:12] | justinh: | over here no cable customer ever *owns* any equipment |
| [09:50:15] | wagnerrp: | should get to renting that CAM while you still can |
| [09:51:04] | eFfeM: | justinh, legacy equipment as in TV, VCR, DVD recorder etc |
| [09:51:38] | justinh: | analogue cable over here was never tunable by domestic equipment anyway |
| [09:51:42] | eFfeM: | if you buy a TV here it will still have an analog tuner |
| [09:52:29] | eFfeM: | justinh: here we just get an analogue cable input from 44–860 Mhz or so |
| [09:52:36] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how long it will be until they start dropping NTSC tuners from sets |
| [09:53:00] | eFfeM: | so the TV will do the tuning and you can connect multiple TVs without having to use setup boxes or so |
| [09:53:39] | wagnerrp: | settop |
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| [09:53:49] | eFfeM: | oops, yes |
| [09:55:01] | justinh: | over here it was never in the clear, so even if you could tune it... |
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| [09:58:55] | eFfeM: | originally cable here was just antenna replacement, so instead of having your own, you would get the whole band from a central antenna, at some point they started adding sat channels transcoded to PAL in the analogue freq range so users could view some sat channels with a regular tv without needing a sat tuner or so, nowadays everything on our cable comes from sat or from direct connections, but it it still analog tunable |
| [09:59:31] | eFfeM: | btw anyone an idea what is wrong if I get: DTVParamHelper::toString() index out of bounds during a channel scan |
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| [09:59:59] | justinh: | yes. analogue scanning is broken in 0.22 |
| [10:00:40] | eFfeM: | hmm |
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| [10:06:09] | Dibblah: | justinh: I'm inordinately proud. |
| [10:06:20] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.com/m536e551e |
| [10:06:42] | Dibblah: | Shouldn't be, of course – It's moderately incomplete – but still useful for debugging stuff. |
| [10:08:20] | justinh: | cool |
| [10:08:32] | justinh: | they'll make coders of us yet |
| [10:08:53] | Dibblah: | That's with lots of sphery's help, of course :) |
| [10:09:08] | justinh: | this theme is doing my blimmin head in |
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| [10:10:59] | Dibblah: | Concept? |
| [10:11:12] | ** Dibblah thinks he may be confused over the players... ** | |
| [10:11:48] | Dibblah: | Being up until 3:30 doesn't help either ;) |
| [10:12:09] | Dibblah: | Getting "interested" in a problem is great, but... |
| [10:12:18] | justinh: | I had a late night & I was up again at 6am |
| [10:12:36] | justinh: | just trying to theme the popups now |
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| [10:13:12] | Dibblah: | ... You don't happen to know if the popup keyboard needs a mythUIed screen, do you? |
| [10:13:15] | justinh: | looks like I've not got the hang of inheritance with windows |
| [10:13:24] | justinh: | probably does |
| [10:13:46] | Dibblah: | Hmm. But mythbrowser has been done. |
| [10:13:57] | ** Dibblah needs to look a little deeper. ** | |
| [10:14:02] | Dibblah: | ... Later. |
| [10:14:24] | Dibblah: | I don't think anyone with bounce trac permissions is on :( |
| [10:14:51] | justinh: | <window name="basepopupmenu"><yadayada /></window> <window name="foobar" from="basepopupmenu" /> doesn't seem to be working |
| [10:15:30] | Dibblah: | Eh? Isn't that circular? |
| [10:15:51] | justinh: | how so? |
| [10:16:17] | Dibblah: | ... I don't think I understand the format. |
| [10:16:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:16:36] | Dibblah: | But putting the from in the end tag looks... Wrong. |
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| [10:17:21] | ** Dibblah thinks he may be getting old. ** | |
| [10:17:36] | Dibblah: | I'm considering printing out mythdbconn.h/cpp |
| [10:17:50] | Dibblah: | ... But I don't have any greenstripe. |
| [10:19:46] | justinh: | sigh. you try to save yourself a bit of effort & editing time by using inheritance & it doesn't work as expected |
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| [10:22:41] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Myth is locking too much. |
| [10:22:52] | Dibblah: | "/// \brief QSqlQuery::prepare() is not thread safe in Qt <= 3.3.2" |
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| [10:51:06] | justinh: | arghhh why isn't some stuff being centered?! |
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| [10:52:40] | justinh: | is inheritance partially broken or what? |
| [10:52:46] | antgel: | if i enable EIT to augment my xmltv grabber, will the EIT overwrite the (more detailed?) xmltv info, or will it only come into play when there are schedule changes etc? |
| [10:52:59] | justinh: | you don't wanna do that |
| [10:53:03] | justinh: | seriously |
| [10:53:18] | justinh: | you can't mix sources like that yet |
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| [10:53:35] | antgel: | fine, i just heard that it might be possible to combine them e.g. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396017 |
| [10:54:10] | justinh: | believing what we see on the -users list is the first step towards insanity |
| [10:57:31] | justinh: | nobody whose opinion I value suggested that mixing sources like that is a good idea on that thread |
| [10:57:38] | justinh: | i.e. nick morrot didn't say it |
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| [11:01:48] | antgel: | trying to scan for ITV HD. have read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/403417 (o_O) and scanned as per the last post. dialog up with "found 388 off-air channels". gives me option to delete all, set all invisible, and ignore all. what do the second and third options mean? |
| [11:02:04] | justinh: | what do you think they mean? |
| [11:02:11] | justinh: | ignore all means do nothing |
| [11:02:27] | justinh: | set all invisible means insert them into the db but make them invisible |
| [11:02:44] | antgel: | ah. that's what i want then, then i can make it visible via mythweb |
| [11:02:53] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [11:03:26] | justinh: | I think ITV HD should give everyone their money back anyway |
| [11:03:32] | antgel: | well, i don't want to delete all, and i don't want to do nothing. i want ITV HD |
| [11:03:57] | antgel: | well yes, but i splashed out on this DVB-S card and i'm getting my money's worth. i don't want to actually *watch* it :P |
| [11:04:37] | antgel: | i mean, who'd have thought the x-factor was manufactured, fixed crap that is obviously nothing to do with music or talent |
| [11:04:50] | justinh: | xfactor is shown in HD? |
| [11:05:12] | justinh: | saw a bit when my wife watched it on sunday. gawd almighty. blocko-vision |
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| [11:05:53] | justinh: | prompted me to run ffmpeg -i on the recording. 705x576 at 2Mbits/sec :-/ |
| [11:06:03] | antgel: | that's well HD! |
| [11:06:20] | justinh: | nah that was the SD from freeview of course |
| [11:06:41] | justinh: | just wondering if they put it on 'HD' |
| [11:07:51] | justinh: | infact wondering what they put on their 'HD' channel full stop |
| [11:09:37] | antgel: | i don't know or care. what i do know is that my first BBC HD experience yesterday was "are you an egghead?". |
| [11:09:40] | antgel: | *shudder* |
| [11:10:08] | antgel: | hmm, i would now appear to have lots of channel numbers with underscores. what did i break? |
| [11:12:22] | justinh: | I don't mind that when Dermot presents it. But Jeremy Whine.. makes me want to punch the telly |
| [11:12:38] | justinh: | as for the eggheads themselves.. bunch of smug aunts |
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| [11:13:33] | antgel: | the best bit is when they "elaborate" on the answer e.g. "i know this because we went caravanning last year and i had to fix the portaloo" |
| [11:14:02] | Dibblah: | justinh: Did you finally stick with Karmic? |
| [11:14:20] | antgel: | *sigh* so many questions. what's an "off-air" channel? |
| [11:14:20] | Dibblah: | Maybe we should all join the Karmic Koala Klub. |
| [11:14:21] | justinh: | not finally stuck with anything yet |
| [11:14:43] | justinh: | curse all these plain English descriptions of things! |
| [11:15:01] | justinh: | they are KIDDING |
| [11:15:30] | justinh: | satruday 7th November on ITVHD: FA Cup Live. and at 4.05PM, Revenge Of The Sith. LOL |
| [11:15:50] | justinh: | and tonight, two shows. one at 7.30pm & one at 9pm |
| [11:15:53] | justinh: | gee thanks ITV |
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| [11:16:07] | justinh: | only one on wednesday & one on friday. |
| [11:16:11] | justinh: | ROFL |
| [11:16:56] | justinh: | as many as THREE shows in HD on Sunday though. Football, Doc Martin & more football. |
| [11:17:14] | ** justinh cancels ITV ** | |
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| [11:24:36] | antgel: | you can't, it's free, bwahaha |
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| [11:25:15] | justinh: | tell ya what though I'm not surprised anymore why they don't make a big fuss about ITV HD :P |
| [11:25:43] | Dibblah: | It's not free. |
| [11:25:57] | Dibblah: | You rent it using your eyeballs as currency. |
| [11:26:03] | justinh: | between all the FTA channels there's maybe enough content to provide ONE 24H HDTV channel |
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| [11:28:11] | Dibblah: | B-b-b-but... There's Life, Earth, ... |
| [11:28:14] | Dibblah: | All BBC... |
| [11:28:16] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [11:31:32] | lyricnz_: | y |
| [11:31:40] | lyricnz_: | dang, wrong window :) |
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| [11:35:20] | anenigma: | anyone had any luck w/ getting youtube XL (http://www.youtube.com/xl) in mythbrowser? running trunk, it loads fine (flash preview things work fine), but I can't get the menu selector on the right to go anywhere |
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| [11:50:21] | antgel: | would love to know, what's an "off-air" channel? |
| [11:52:08] | justinh: | a channel which is not on air |
| [11:52:30] | antgel: | as in, it should be part of my EPG but is not broadcasting at the moment e.g. BBC4? |
| [11:52:31] | justinh: | i.e. it's listed in the DVB tables but not actually broadcasting right at this moment |
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| [11:52:36] | pak0: | hi all people |
| [11:52:38] | pak0: | good morning |
| [11:52:47] | antgel: | justinh: ta |
| [11:52:52] | justinh: | what *else* could 'off-air' mean? |
| [11:53:18] | pak0: | i`m looking on Troubleshooting for recording unavailable error and no lucky =( |
| [11:53:41] | antgel: | justinh: frick knows. i don't assume anything with myth-related stuff |
| [11:53:58] | justinh: | antgel: heh. it's duckloads more logical than it used to be |
| [11:54:12] | justinh: | and the remaining mad things are being mopped up |
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| [12:06:15] | pak0: | any suggest for buy an dvb-s/t card and with two turners for mythtv?, hvr4000 works fine? |
| [12:07:04] | antgel: | pak0: i believe it should – am using a nova hd s2 here which i think has the same chipset |
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| [12:08:19] | janneg: | pak0: the tuners on the hvr4000 can't be used simultaneously |
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| [12:20:29] | hashbang: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Cowbutt#.2Fetc.2Fphp.ini # teehee, just discovered and fixed this config bug! |
| [12:23:04] | pak0: | thank you janneg |
| [12:23:19] | pak0: | antge1 i`m looking for nova hd s2 |
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| [12:25:01] | dchurch: | hi all |
| [12:29:27] | dchurch: | hmmm |
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| [12:37:25] | styelz: | hello.. |
| [12:37:35] | styelz: | q. ive cleared out my channels and did a full rescan, (using HDHRun) and now I cant get the backend setup to scan it crashes the setup app at around 53% into the scan. anyone got any hints |
| [12:38:08] | styelz: | myth 0.22 |
| [12:38:36] | styelz: | fixes22594 |
| [12:39:00] | styelz: | backend wont start if i have hdhomerun ancoders in the encoders list also |
| [12:40:50] | pak0: | i have to do anything for capture hdtv on 5.1 channels? i want to test if the only channel here have this |
| [12:41:10] | pak0: | i can watch hdvt on spain, only one channel here =(, and only can watch on stereo output |
| [12:41:26] | pak0: | have spdif working well with passtrought |
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| [12:49:52] | mzb: | is there anything wrong with the svn server atm? |
| [12:50:01] | mzb: | I'm getting strange errors |
| [12:50:26] | mzb: | last one was: Could not read status line: Connection reset by peer |
| [12:50:30] | mzb: | (have been others) |
| [12:51:29] | dchurch: | I think it's busy |
| [12:52:09] | mzb: | I'm getting that impression ;) |
| [12:52:19] | dchurch: | Is there a way to run extrenal scripts from the OSD menu does anyone know? |
| [12:52:26] | dchurch: | external* |
| [12:52:31] | justinh: | no theres no way |
| [12:53:17] | mzb: | but you *can* run an external script from a "file" in mythvideo |
| [12:53:39] | mzb: | not _from_ exactly |
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| [12:55:19] | pak0: | there is no way, i have installe myth on two disk for testing... i have same config... but in one i watch tv w/o lost of signal, and in the other i have a little lost of signal, the pixels when you dont have very good signal, but signal its ok... |
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| [12:59:43] | mzb: | $ while ! svn up; do "Retrying svn up"; sleep 3; done |
| [13:00:10] | Dibblah: | you killed svn! You bastard. |
| [13:00:17] | mzb: | heh |
| [13:00:28] | Dibblah: | 3 seconds? |
| [13:00:30] | Dibblah: | Really? |
| [13:00:35] | Dibblah: | Why would you do that? |
| [13:00:38] | mzb: | haven't tried it yet |
| [13:00:50] | mzb: | just thinking aloud |
| [13:00:50] | Dibblah: | Please don't do it that way. |
| [13:00:53] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [13:00:57] | mzb: | :) |
| [13:01:00] | Dibblah: | 60 _at least_ |
| [13:01:02] | mzb: | ok, np |
| [13:01:18] | justinh: | well, if he did everybody here could ping him repeatedly :) |
| [13:01:50] | mzb: | hmm |
| [13:03:11] | antgel: | i configured xmltv rt uk for freesat. if i tell it that i want to select channels manually, will i be able to get EPG data for the other channels at astra 28.2E (i.e. non-freesat-epg ones)? |
| [13:03:47] | justinh: | no idea |
| [13:03:58] | justinh: | I make my own xmltv config files these days |
| [13:04:08] | mzb: | I have a stop/uninstall/clean/update/configure/build/install/start script ... which has failed a couple of times tonight, so pondering on how to avoid WAF--- from svn up failures |
| [13:04:28] | justinh: | you want WAF – don't auto svn up |
| [13:04:32] | [Peter]: | angtel: I can get EPG data for all channels on my satellite without being able to decode them |
| [13:05:01] | mzb: | sleep 500 would be fine for the purpose (with a counter of course!) |
| [13:05:05] | antgel: | [Peter]: is that with EIT or xmltv? |
| [13:05:07] | mzb: | s/300 |
| [13:05:12] | [Peter]: | antgel: EIT |
| [13:05:41] | antgel: | [Peter]: ah – i'm using xmltv as i'm led to believe it has "better" data and justinh warned me against trying to combine it with EIT |
| [13:05:43] | mzb: | any point in trying svn atm? ... it doesn't seem to get far |
| [13:06:11] | antgel: | mzb: probably not, in my opinion |
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| [13:06:46] | mzb: | based on? |
| [13:06:51] | antgel: | did myth lose the ability to play an audio CD? i can see "play dvd" and "import cd" but no "play cd" |
| [13:07:04] | antgel: | mzb: i'm having no luck :) |
| [13:07:23] | GreyFoxx: | What's an Audio CD? |
| [13:07:31] | mzb: | ok, I'm talking about the server, you're probably talking about something else |
| [13:07:32] | GreyFoxx: | That ting one makes mp3s/oggs from ? |
| [13:07:34] | justinh: | there are only around 30 channels worth having on freesat, if that |
| [13:07:36] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [13:07:49] | antgel: | GreyFoxx: the one that isn't lossy ;) |
| [13:07:57] | justinh: | configuring xmltv via the config script would take ages |
| [13:08:18] | mzb: | s/as lossy |
| [13:08:38] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah right, wavs are lossy too, they are just further up the chain closer to the source :) |
| [13:08:52] | ** mzb throws another vinyl record on the fire ** | |
| [13:08:57] | justinh: | your ears are lossy |
| [13:09:02] | GreyFoxx: | If it isn't live, it's lossy ;) |
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| [13:09:39] | justinh: | cables are lossy. air is lossy |
| [13:09:41] | justinh: | what a loss! |
| [13:10:03] | mzb: | ear-hairs create loss! |
| [13:10:05] | mzb: | ;) |
| [13:10:24] | antgel: | so now we know all about lossy, and have learnt a bit about sarcasm along the way, may i assume that playing an audio CD is no longer supported? |
| [13:10:57] | mzb: | lossless isn't supported either |
| [13:11:09] | justinh: | flac is |
| [13:11:14] | justinh: | just no seeking within flac files |
| [13:11:18] | GreyFoxx: | Dunno, its not a function I ever used to notice. I don't remember anyone specifically saying it was being removed though |
| [13:11:26] | justinh: | nor me |
| [13:11:48] | antgel: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic#Playback suggests that it's supported |
| [13:11:49] | ** mzb was attempting a joke ... but ...nm ** | |
| [13:13:03] | antgel: | ah, media-library -> listen to music -> menu -> from CD |
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| [13:13:44] | justinh: | wonder if flac seeking has been fixed upstream yet |
| [13:14:08] | mzb: | had to give up the music CD's years ago ... stolen along with the rest of the contents |
| [13:14:15] | antgel: | hmm, no fricking output. maybe i need to configure mythmusic |
| [13:14:17] | mzb: | ah well, times change |
| [13:14:24] | justinh: | somebody bothered to steal CDs? |
| [13:14:46] | mzb: | several hundred |
| [13:14:58] | mzb: | and it was >10 yrs ago ;) |
| [13:15:04] | justinh: | must've taken some effort |
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| [13:15:30] | mzb: | yep ... stump-heads across the hall |
| [13:15:35] | antgel: | they are heavy in large numbers |
| [13:15:56] | justinh: | I have quite a few hundred CDs in my attic |
| [13:16:05] | justinh: | and vinyl 12" singles |
| [13:16:18] | antgel: | the default media paths are so random! |
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| [13:18:17] | mzb: | now I'm just happy to work on the music video collection ... less involvement, money, commitment ... and dare I say it ... love |
| [13:19:04] | justinh: | http://imagebin.ca/img/iQW2Yw.png |
| [13:19:45] | justinh: | ffs why do I always paste urls in the wrong window |
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| [13:28:57] | ** justinh smacks firefox in the chops for the 4th time today ** | |
| [13:29:09] | antgel: | is ITV HD still on channel 10150? comes up as ITV Anglia S for me |
| [13:29:18] | justinh: | firefox is already running. close it or restart your system. Good grief |
| [13:29:34] | justinh: | brb while I erm.. restart |
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| [13:52:51] | mchou: | haha |
| [13:53:00] | mchou: | that must be windoze advice |
| [13:53:11] | mchou: | from the mozilla folks |
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| [13:56:16] | pak0: | can i do a fine tuning of my channels? i hate that little lost f signal, i think my dvb-t dont work very fine under mythtv |
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| [13:59:34] | justinh: | you can't fine-tune dvb |
| [14:00:06] | justinh: | I think your signals are too weak for your tuner cards |
| [14:00:13] | justinh: | but they are fine for your TV |
| [14:00:31] | justinh: | tuner cards are usually not as good as the tuners built into TV sets |
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| [14:01:06] | pak0: | i have tested all, changed the connections, installed amplifier... i dunno what more can i do =((( |
| [14:01:32] | pak0: | i have called a cable technician too and they say all on my cable its ok |
| [14:01:36] | pak0: | =/ |
| [14:02:15] | justinh: | dvb-t with cable ? |
| [14:03:06] | pak0: | apologyze about my english |
| [14:03:15] | pak0: | i say cable but i referred to the connection |
| [14:04:02] | pak0: | cable= cord? wire? |
| [14:04:18] | pak0: | i only have tdt, no cable television |
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| [14:21:01] | pak0: | and... if i buy another card? |
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| [14:25:33] | mzb: | pak0, if you buy another card ... you mean _instead_of_ ? |
| [14:25:59] | mzb: | another card would require splitting the signal ... if it's already weak then that would be a problem |
| [14:26:35] | mzb: | a replacement card might be an idea ... but probably cheaper to check your wiring & signal strength (etc) AND YOUR AERIAL! ;) |
| [14:27:11] | mzb: | eg: have you used quad-shielded cable? |
| [14:27:48] | pak0: | yes |
| [14:27:51] | mzb: | what signal strength are you getting from each multiplex? are they different? |
| [14:28:02] | pak0: | i have called one thecnician and my signal strenght is 100% |
| [14:28:33] | pak0: | i have tested one card with chipset of philips and that with af9015, with the latest drivers from v4l |
| [14:28:45] | mzb: | are you tuning to VHF, low=band UHF or high-band-UHF ... do you have a GOOD aerial to suit? |
| [14:28:55] | pak0: | in the two cards i have a little lost of signal =7 |
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| [14:29:08] | pak0: | i have a very good aerial signal |
| [14:29:21] | pak0: | and tested with uhf and vhf |
| [14:29:24] | mzb: | ok ... so maybe it's too strong for the card |
| [14:29:29] | pak0: | i have more lost of signal in uhf |
| [14:29:35] | mzb: | try an attenuator |
| [14:29:41] | pak0: | an attenuator? |
| [14:29:49] | pak0: | never ear about that |
| [14:30:08] | mzb: | small f-type socket/plug arrangement .... usually available in 3dB or 6dB |
| [14:30:11] | pak0: | then i can test that idea this afternoon |
| [14:30:12] | mzb: | BUT |
| [14:30:21] | pak0: | but? |
| [14:30:23] | mzb: | before you go that far, have a look at: |
| [14:30:29] | mzb: | $ femon -H |
| [14:30:34] | mzb: | (think it's capital H) |
| [14:30:47] | mzb: | when you're tuned in to a problematic multiplex |
| [14:31:08] | mzb: | that will show you your signal strength .... err ... to some extent |
| [14:31:34] | mzb: | many of the drivers don't have it set right ... so hard to tell exactly |
| [14:31:44] | pak0: | status SCVYL | signal 69% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [14:32:01] | mzb: | but if signal or VER fluctuate, that's a problem |
| [14:32:06] | pak0: | i have this report alot of times |
| [14:32:10] | mzb: | looks ok |
| [14:32:16] | mzb: | not _great_ |
| [14:32:19] | pak0: | all time repeat 69% the same line |
| [14:32:29] | mzb: | that's good |
| [14:32:35] | pak0: | then, the atenuator dont its the solution? |
| [14:32:39] | mzb: | could be better |
| [14:32:46] | mzb: | hard to say |
| [14:33:12] | mzb: | got a splitter? |
| [14:33:43] | pak0: | yes |
| [14:34:01] | pak0: | i can repeat fmeon -H directly |
| [14:34:03] | pak0: | wait |
| [14:34:25] | pak0: | i`m watching one channel from vhf now, no lost of signal |
| [14:34:30] | pak0: | signal strenght 99% |
| [14:34:33] | mzb: | then put it in before the card ... if the numbers go the wrong way then redu |
| [14:34:35] | mzb: | huh |
| [14:34:39] | mzb: | after splitting it? |
| [14:34:41] | pak0: | excuseme |
| [14:34:45] | pak0: | lost of signal here too |
| [14:34:55] | pak0: | i have the signal splited now |
| [14:34:59] | mzb: | ok |
| [14:35:24] | mzb: | tuner 1: status SCVYL | signal 24% | snr 100% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [14:35:44] | mzb: | tuner 2: status SCVYL | signal 25% | snr 100% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [14:36:11] | pak0: | status SCVYL | signal 82% | snr 0% | ber 0 | unc 326 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [14:36:17] | pak0: | there is mine w/o split now |
| [14:36:27] | pak0: | snr is? |
| [14:36:31] | pak0: | noise? |
| [14:36:37] | mzb: | hmm ... unc is up, but signal higher |
| [14:36:37] | ivor: | signal to noise ratio |
| [14:36:40] | mzb: | signal to .. |
| [14:36:45] | mzb: | *sigh* ;) |
| [14:36:54] | pak0: | what is unc? |
| [14:37:18] | mzb: | uncorrected errors? |
| [14:37:25] | pak0: | i dunno xD |
| [14:37:44] | antgel: | am looking at the channel editor in mythweb. is there any way to see the actual frequencies from within mythweb? if not, and they're in the database somewhere, is there anything in mythweb that relates specifically to tuning info? |
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| [14:38:06] | antgel: | i.e. can i change anything, channel number, callsign etc, and it will still refer to the same channel? |
| [14:38:12] | ** antgel needs a break ** | |
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| [14:39:46] | mzb: | pak0, try an attenuator ... stranger things have happened ;) .... if you reckon you've got MASSIVE signal then it could be overloading the card |
| [14:40:20] | pak0: | hmmm |
| [14:40:23] | mzb: | they're not too expensive, so if it doesn't help then it's not a great loss |
| [14:40:28] | pak0: | ok |
| [14:40:47] | justinh: | antgel: mplexid isn't viewable or editable from mythweb |
| [14:40:59] | pak0: | i have one amplified, i have buyed one time, and i have to removed because the technician says this is overload on signal |
| [14:40:59] | justinh: | mplexid links to the dtv_multiplex table |
| [14:41:14] | justinh: | which is where the frequencies are stored |
| [14:41:30] | justinh: | and we don't go editing stuff there ourselves |
| [14:41:47] | pak0: | this afternoon i buy one atenuator and come back to say the experience |
| [14:41:49] | mzb: | if it doesn't work, it should prove that your card isn't getting too much (of a good thing;)) |
| [14:42:02] | mzb: | if you can, try different bands, too |
| [14:42:14] | pak0: | now is time to snap see tyou later and thanks to much for your support |
| [14:42:17] | mzb: | eg: compare VHF to UHF |
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| [14:42:23] | mzb: | k |
| [14:42:26] | pak0: | same lost of signal mzb |
| [14:42:35] | pak0: | just tested jumping to vhf to uhf |
| [14:42:39] | mzb: | compare with attenuator |
| [14:42:50] | mzb: | I assume you have a multiband antenna |
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| [14:54:46] | antgel: | justinh: ta |
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| [14:57:56] | GreyFoxx: | Awesome, my 5 year old is going through all of her videos in mythvideo and downloading the metadata for them because she likes having the screenshot there :) |
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| [14:59:49] | squidly: | lol GreyFoxx |
| [15:00:01] | squidly: | GreyFoxx: how many movies is that? 10k or 20k? |
| [15:01:27] | Floppe: | I cant get storage groups to work for mythvideo screenshots :/ |
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| [15:09:06] | Jonny0stars: | Hello, Just a quick question about the best way to transcode recordings to xvid or something similar |
| [15:10:10] | tank-man: | correct |
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| [15:13:04] | GreyFoxx: | squish102: she has hundreds of archived TV shows and a couple dozen movies |
| [15:13:05] | justinh: | the best thing to do is just cut them & use 'lossless' mpeg2 transcoding |
| [15:13:15] | justinh: | and not to use xvid. bleugh |
| [15:14:54] | squidly: | GreyFoxx: lol |
| [15:15:12] | squidly: | GreyFoxx: you archive the tv shows then put them in the Myth Video? |
| [15:15:33] | squidly: | or just copy them out and rename them? |
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| [15:18:42] | ** Essobi whispers 'Anger is a gift.' ** | |
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| [15:20:52] | GreyFoxx: | squidly: Ripped from DVD box sets, recodings commercial clipped and copied and some transcoded |
| [15:21:02] | GreyFoxx: | so basically all options over time |
| [15:21:06] | squidly: | ahh okies |
| [15:21:17] | ddettman: | jya aren't you in australia? 2 am ? |
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| [15:21:39] | jya: | I am... just got back home from a trip |
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| [15:22:37] | justinh: | ahhh soon be hometime :) |
| [15:22:50] | Dibblah: | Ah, bollix. |
| [15:23:00] | Dibblah: | I can't bend things to my will. |
| [15:23:35] | ivor: | pah. hometime? tsch. |
| [15:23:49] | justinh: | ivor: were you in at 6.50am? |
| [15:24:15] | ivor: | why were you? :) |
| [15:24:36] | justinh: | why not? |
| [15:24:42] | justinh: | means I get to go home early |
| [15:24:53] | justinh: | <3 flexitime |
| [15:25:29] | justinh: | in from 7am to 3.30pm, half hour for lunch == 30 mins flexitime accrued :) |
| [15:28:49] | ivor: | used to have 7 starts but no more. |
| [15:29:25] | ivor: | these days in at 7.45... off at half six |
| [15:29:31] | justinh: | ouch |
| [15:29:49] | ivor: | plus 1 and a half hours commute each way. |
| [15:30:01] | ivor: | thats the bit that ruins it |
| [15:30:03] | justinh: | last time I complain about my job for a while then |
| [15:30:25] | ivor: | complain? you're always saying how much fun it is. |
| [15:30:26] | justinh: | 35 miles each way for me but thankfully it's generally only about 30–35 mins :) |
| [15:30:56] | justinh: | speaking of which... be nice to take the dog for a walk in daylight for a change |
| [15:31:10] | ivor: | daylight? |
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| [15:31:25] | ** ivor scampers off to find a window ** | |
| [15:32:33] | dchurch: | if I wanted to add/exchange menu options on the OSD menu, where in the code would I start looking? |
| [15:32:41] | mzb: | finally got a complete checkout ... now I can leave it to build & shutdown ... and I can go to bed! |
| [15:39:44] | Dibblah: | ... I'm trying to improve DB logging. |
| [15:39:58] | Dibblah: | At the moment, it's not clear which log message goes with which connection. |
| [15:40:20] | Dibblah: | I _think_ that all of the required data is actually accessible, I'm just fiddling with it. |
| [15:41:13] | Dibblah: | Fortunately, I have a test laptop :) |
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| [15:50:09] | antgel: | my system jerks with even temporal 1x on vdpau. would i be better off going to vdpau slim (bob) or just letting my tv deinterlace? |
| [15:51:21] | antgel: | or is it a case of "try it and see?" |
| [15:54:19] | Dibblah: | Try it and see. If you're using TV-out, whatever you do will be wrong. |
| [15:58:55] | antgel: | HDMI. letting the tv do the job actually looks really good, at least to my uncultured eyes *shrug* |
| [16:00:17] | ivor: | mutter. vdpau... vaapi... XvBA... mutter |
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| [16:01:56] | antgel: | damn, i deleted channel 9575 and now can't watch tv as it wants to start on the previously-used channel |
| [16:02:15] | antgel: | mythtv-setup asks me if i want to correct it, i say yes, then it does nothing |
| [16:02:58] | antgel: | got it :) |
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| [16:25:56] | Rigor_M: | 0.22 is out, is it stable to be used for the everyday uses ? |
| [16:26:48] | laga: | no |
| [16:26:58] | laga: | they just made a release to screw people over |
| [16:27:17] | Rigor_M: | that wasent what I ment :P |
| [16:29:08] | PeaceKeeper: | I am running it and I am happy |
| [16:29:44] | Rigor_M: | cool |
| [16:29:51] | PeaceKeeper: | i dont have a trick setup (pvr-150 / pvr-250/ air2pc / hdhomerun) and I an very ahppy so far |
| [16:30:47] | Rigor_M: | i'm compiling as we peak, I have a HD-PVR. |
| [16:31:10] | Rigor_M: | speak* |
| [16:31:12] | PeaceKeeper: | I want one :( but I can not spend 200 right now |
| [16:31:29] | mangus580: | I would need an HDTV before I bothered with the HD-PVR LOL |
| [16:31:30] | PeaceKeeper: | Need a good rebate or something for me to jump in |
| [16:31:33] | Rigor_M: | yeah, its not mine heheh |
| [16:32:07] | Rigor_M: | I have a sat PVR receiver and I need to off load the recording onto the Mythtv |
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| [16:33:03] | mangus580: | I gotta say... I am stoked about getting myth fully setup in our house |
| [16:33:16] | Rigor_M: | but I have to tell you, it does a great job for 720p recordings. |
| [16:33:34] | Rigor_M: | mangus580 why is that ? |
| [16:33:51] | mangus580: | just soooo much better than our POS cable company dvr |
| [16:34:12] | Rigor_M: | oh yeah, you go that right |
| [16:34:13] | mangus580: | and I might actually get to watch tv now LOL |
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| [16:35:24] | Rigor_M: | Is there a feature on 0.22 to move the recording onto another directory that can be played with myth-video ? |
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| [16:56:12] | Rigor_M: | is it possible to connect a 0.21 frontend on a 0.22 backend ? |
| [16:57:20] | janneg: | no |
| [16:57:47] | Rigor_M: | ok, thanks |
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| [16:59:43] | dchurch: | it is, but with a LOT of trouble – the best bet is to upgrade all to 0.22 – I had the same trepidation, but it was unfounded – 0.22 is stable and very nice; I'm certainly glad I did the upgrade. |
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| [17:00:13] | Rigor_M: | yes |
| [17:00:29] | dchurch: | just go for it – you won't regret it. |
| [17:00:58] | Rigor_M: | my trouble is, i'm using miinimyth for the frontends but they are still at RC1 release for the 0.22 and I had some trouble connecting it to my 0.22 test server. |
| [17:01:47] | Rigor_M: | Pablo is doing a great job with minimyth. I'm sure that the 0.22 stable release will be out soon tough |
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| [17:03:17] | dchurch: | I'm afraid I know nothing about minimyth |
| [17:04:10] | Rigor_M: | no problem, that was my based tought about my last question, did a 0.21 FE could connect on a 0.22BE ;-) |
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| [17:19:44] | dchurch: | do you know what I need to compile from source? |
| [17:19:51] | dchurch: | gcc presumably. |
| [17:19:52] | wagnerrp: | justinh: looks like youre safe... BBCs compression/encryption drive has stopped |
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| [17:36:33] | dmz: | howdy y'all, just upgraded to 0.22 and noticed that in every theme i try I can't delete recordings from the recording menu anymore; anyone have any tips/suggestions? |
| [17:37:56] | wagnerrp: | why not? what is it doing instead? |
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| [17:42:04] | dmz: | there just isn't any option to delete |
| [17:42:24] | wagnerrp: | the menus have been split into 'i' and 'm' menus |
| [17:42:30] | dmz: | ah |
| [17:42:31] | wagnerrp: | delete is in the 'i' menu |
| [17:42:42] | dmz: | so i have to reprogram my remote to have i bound to something |
| [17:43:18] | wagnerrp: | regrettably, yes |
| [17:43:33] | wagnerrp: | however for most people, 'i' will be a fairly commonly used button, and already bound |
| [17:43:49] | dmz: | i've hit every button on my streamzap remote and no i menu |
| [17:43:49] | clever: | Dibblah: already in here |
| [17:44:06] | Dibblah: | So why continue when asked nicely twice? |
| [17:44:18] | clever: | Dibblah: was waiting for ph8 |
| [17:44:27] | clever: | cant talk to him here if he isnt here |
| [17:44:42] | Dibblah: | Shame. |
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| [17:49:41] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [17:50:17] | wagnerrp: | that one took some still... |
| [17:50:21] | wagnerrp: | skill... |
| [17:50:27] | whoDat_: | is there documentation on the new way the channel editor works? |
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| [17:51:33] | Jonny0stars: | I just finished installing NUVexport but now when I run it I get – Found 156 files, but no matching database entries |
| [17:51:53] | Jonny0stars: | --debug provides no more information |
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| [17:59:02] | whoDat_: | this is a good question. can't wait for it to be answered. http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . scanner.html |
| [18:00:34] | Dibblah: | The old way was more broken. |
| [18:00:54] | Dibblah: | It essentially just overwrote what you had – xmltvids and all – with blank entries. |
| [18:01:02] | Dibblah: | Or duplicated the entries. |
| [18:01:27] | Dibblah: | And there is essentially 0 chance of it being answered on a forum. |
| [18:01:40] | whoDat_: | overwrote what? how is it finding the channel twice? |
| [18:02:07] | whoDat_: | lol, and why do you say that? ;) |
| [18:02:30] | Dibblah: | Overwrote entries in the channel table. |
| [18:02:39] | Dibblah: | Now, it prompts. |
| [18:02:57] | Dibblah: | If the stream either gives conflicting – or no – channel numbers, it'll ask you. |
| [18:03:10] | Dibblah: | Rather than making stuff up. |
| [18:03:25] | whoDat_: | ahh |
| [18:04:11] | Dibblah: | The old scanner committed stuff as soon as it saw it, with no validation (essentially) |
| [18:04:31] | whoDat_: | I am trying to get my head around the whole.. broadcast #, logical #, xmltvid, (i think there are more).. |
| [18:04:32] | Dibblah: | The new scanner waits until the end of the scan. |
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| [18:05:10] | whoDat_: | k that makes sense |
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| [18:05:39] | whoDat_: | but i was prompted litterally like 50 times |
| [18:05:57] | wagnerrp: | thats going to happen with digital cable |
| [18:05:58] | Dibblah: | What would you prefer? |
| [18:06:03] | whoDat_: | it should have a 'suggest all' feature maybe. |
| [18:06:13] | whoDat_: | instead of having to hit suggest for every single channel |
| [18:06:20] | whoDat_: | well, have both options. |
| [18:06:43] | wagnerrp: | keep the channels in your database, but hidden |
| [18:06:48] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv will never ask you about them again |
| [18:06:48] | pak0: | hi there i`m back |
| [18:07:20] | pak0: | no lucky with the atenuator... signal strenght is reduced to 50% but still having a little lost of signal |
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| [18:20:21] | Jonny0stars: | Does anyone use nuvexport? |
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| [18:24:27] | Jonny0stars: | Just wondering what version is current and if 0.5 0.20080311 is broken |
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| [18:28:28] | sphery: | Heh, speaking of the <video> tag panacea: "What about replacing the flash player with the HTML5 <video> tag for supported browsers? I was playing around last night and got a simple test working. Granted, it wasn't a "live" stream from the nuv file. I had to run ffmpeg2theora on the video file to create an .ogv file first. |
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| [18:34:06] | whoDat_: | where in the channel editor do i see the 'logical channel numbers' that would be the same channels I would see on my digital tv if I had it pick them up directly instead? |
| [18:34:07] | Malard: | all the browsers support h264 over ogg |
| [18:34:20] | Malard: | except safari i think |
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| [18:45:04] | lightpriest: | am I the only one mythtv-backend segfaults while running the nightly mythfilldatabase? |
| [18:45:13] | lightpriest: | that is 0.22 |
| [18:45:25] | lightpriest: | the packaged ubuntu 9.10 |
| [18:46:17] | antgel: | lightpriest: not a specific reply but have you checked the bug database or run it under gdb? |
| [18:47:02] | lightpriest: | i've searched google and only saw old versions similar problems that were fixed by mysql's "repair table" |
| [18:47:05] | lightpriest: | what's gdb? |
| [18:47:08] | kormoc: | the backend segfaults or mythfilldatabase segfaults? |
| [18:47:15] | sphery: | whoDat_: channel number. Edit it as desired. If the values are not the same as what you would see if you plug in to your digital TV, that just means that myth was unable to pull enough info from the stream to get the number, so you have to manually edit it. (Generally, when this happens, it uses a # in the number to indicate it's broken and needs fixing: 2#1 for example) |
| [18:47:17] | kormoc: | lygtfy.com?q=gdb |
| [18:47:24] | lightpriest: | :) |
| [18:47:39] | lightpriest: | i think it's mythtv |
| [18:47:55] | kormoc: | think or know? |
| [18:48:10] | lightpriest: | there's this crash daemon in the new ubuntu |
| [18:48:34] | lightpriest: | and it reports mythtv-backend crash, but in the crash details I can see mythfilldatabase related data |
| [18:48:40] | lightpriest: | so, no I don't really know |
| [18:48:41] | whoDat_: | sphery: how do I know what channel I am looking at though? |
| [18:49:00] | lightpriest: | well if i'm the only one then it's probably a problem with my configuration |
| [18:49:10] | sphery: | whoDat_: use the frontend channel editor--go to LiveTV, watch a channel to figure out what it is, then hit e |
| [18:49:20] | sphery: | then edit number |
| [18:49:24] | whoDat_: | other than having to just watch it until i can figure it out that way... lol |
| [18:49:27] | lightpriest: | I have a self created xmltv script so logically speaking, it should be there :) |
| [18:50:31] | whoDat_: | sphery: i have to figure out like 50 channels that way though |
| [18:50:40] | lightpriest: | whoDat_, that's what I did ;p |
| [18:50:53] | sphery: | well, if the info isn't in the stream--or at least not in the stream in a supported format... |
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| [18:51:05] | sphery: | whoDat_: if you're using Comcast cable in the US, check out scte65scan |
| [18:51:11] | sphery: | it might be what you need |
| [18:51:16] | whoDat_: | sphery: because it found a bunch of dupes (i already have all my channels added for the pvr-500, then added the hdtv55000 |
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| [18:51:39] | sphery: | whoDat_: you /must/ have your digital and analog channels separate in different video sources |
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| [18:51:46] | whoDat_: | sphery: nah, I am time warner cable |
| [18:51:49] | sphery: | whoDat_: because they're tuned differently |
| [18:51:52] | antgel: | i'd appreciate some help setting up itv hd. i've looked for the famous 10510 channel number in mythweb, and it's not there. |
| [18:52:21] | antgel: | i've tried "scan of single existing transport" and the messages indicate that no new channels have been found |
| [18:52:35] | kormoc: | famous? |
| [18:52:36] | whoDat_: | sphery: i created a whole new video source for the 5500. are you saying it should not have found dupes? |
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| [18:53:04] | antgel: | kormoc: yes, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_HD (first paragraph) |
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| [18:53:37] | sphery: | whoDat_: I'm saying that the channels in the 5500's video source are /not/ dups of channels in the PVR-500's video source |
| [18:53:40] | kormoc: | huh |
| [18:54:02] | janneg: | antgel: I think you have to scan when ITV HD is active |
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| [18:54:30] | Douglas77: | lightpriest: Programs should never crash, no matter your configuration :) |
| [18:54:41] | sphery: | kormoc: did you notice the -dev list today, in "[mythtv] mythweb, html4 vs xhtml vs html5" ( http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-November/066625.html )? We should quote our conversation here from last night. :) |
| [18:55:07] | sphery: | kormoc: basically, "What about replacing the flash player with the HTML5 <video> tag for supported browsers? I was playing around last night and got a simple test working. Granted, it wasn't a "live" stream from the nuv file. I had to run ffmpeg2theora on the video file to create an .ogv file first." (in case you can't get to the page) |
| [18:55:09] | lightpriest: | Douglas77, I'm aware of that ;p |
| [18:55:10] | whoDat_: | sphery: all i see when i edit the channel is the channel number (which mythtv merely suggested anyway).. and the xmltvid .. which is blank. i wanted some kind of 'primary key', if you will, lol.. that is the REAL hard and fast identifier of the channel, to tie it back to ...something.. maybe the schedules direct listing. |
| [18:55:13] | lightpriest: | that's what I trying to solve |
| [18:55:16] | antgel: | janneg: not that i don't appreciate your help, but how sure are you? mother would like something recorded tonight *rolls eyes* |
| [18:55:41] | kormoc: | sphery: haha, nah, I haven't really had the time to catch up |
| [18:55:44] | sphery: | whoDat_: the channel ID is /not/ user editable. Changing it will break your data |
| [18:56:12] | sphery: | the real "unique identifier" is what channel you're watching--i.e. what you see before you hit e |
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| [18:56:42] | sphery: | whoDat_: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| [18:57:09] | whoDat_: | sphery: i changed the channel numbers to match what they would be on my cable box dvr. i shouldnt have done this, your saying? |
| [18:57:54] | sphery: | You can edit channel numbers--those are user-editable user data. channel ID's, however, are not editable (thus the reason the UI /never/ shows them to you) |
| [18:57:54] | justinh: | chanid is not the channel number |
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| [18:58:34] | whoDat_: | sphery: oh, okay. chan ID is specific to mythtv, though, right? just it's primary key for the channel |
| [18:58:41] | sphery: | yes |
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| [18:58:56] | whoDat_: | yeah i dont mess with those |
| [18:59:33] | sphery: | really all you should ever mess with on channels is channel number, channel name/description, callsign, xmltvid |
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| [18:59:54] | whoDat_: | so why did it find dupes when i did a channel scan, even though i gave that input connection its own dedicated video source |
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| [19:00:29] | sphery: | kormoc: though I would love to have the trash--I mean Flash--stuff removed from MythWeb, I don't see the <video> tag being able to help those users who want Flash (i.e. Windows users) |
| [19:00:45] | sphery: | whoDat_: what do you mean by "dups" |
| [19:00:57] | sphery: | what makes you think you have dupes? |
| [19:01:16] | orko: | hi. i transcode my mpeg2 recordings to mpg4 to transfer them over wlan |
| [19:01:33] | orko: | but when i want to play them they stutter. the mpg2 run well |
| [19:01:41] | whoDat_: | sphery: I am also wondering why mythtv doesnt pick up the 'logical channels' of my digital qam-256 feed the same way my tv picks them up? |
| [19:01:49] | orko: | can i somewhere select different player settings for mpg4 ? |
| [19:01:55] | kormoc: | sphery: we could try http://code.google.com/p/video4all/ |
| [19:02:25] | orko: | if i play them locally, not transfered via wlan, i meant. |
| [19:02:33] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, cool |
| [19:02:39] | whoDat_: | sphery, as far as the dupes, this exact same issue : http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . scanner.html |
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| [19:02:47] | devinheitmueller: | whoDat_: do you *actually* mean your TV, or do you mean your cable box? |
| [19:02:50] | kormoc: | still, need to support creating dual output formats |
| [19:02:51] | justinh: | orko: get less sucky wireless perhaps? ;-) |
| [19:02:55] | kormoc: | and no iphone support |
| [19:03:03] | devinheitmueller: | .... because the cable box finds out the channel numbers via on out-of-band tuner. |
| [19:03:15] | whoDat_: | devin: tv. |
| [19:03:27] | devinheitmueller: | interesting. |
| [19:03:37] | orko: | justinh: i do not transfer them. i watch them on the box where they are stored. the mpg2 run well mpg4 stutter. |
| [19:03:42] | sphery: | and it's still possible it's using an unsupported mechanism for broadcasting the info--like SCTE65 |
| [19:03:57] | devinheitmueller: | I guess the MythTV channel ATSC scanner doesn't extract PSIP info or SCTE65. |
| [19:04:29] | justinh: | orko: so you managed to make mp4 files with a higher bitrate than the mpeg2 files? lol |
| [19:04:43] | whoDat_: | on my cable box, the digital broadcast channels (in hd) are 403–411 .. on the tv directly they are 3.1,5.1.. up to i think 66.1 or what not. |
| [19:04:49] | orko: | i dont think so. mpg4 are half the size |
| [19:05:01] | orko: | somehow the player does not play them well. |
| [19:05:07] | orko: | i dont know why |
| [19:05:10] | sphery: | whoDat_: the problem is that the new channel scanner isn't getting enough information. Most of what it tells you isn't really true. I think it's doing everything fine--just finish things up and all will be fine.\ |
| [19:05:23] | justinh: | orko: not enough CPU? |
| [19:05:31] | kormoc: | orko: 1. We don't support WAN playback of video files here, 2. It's likely your hardware, 3. See #1 |
| [19:05:35] | dustybin: | moar cpu |
| [19:05:47] | kormoc: | ooh, wait, wlan, not wan |
| [19:05:50] | orko: | kormoc: i do not playback them over lan. i play them locally |
| [19:06:05] | kormoc: | so then you don't have enough hardware to play them back |
| [19:06:09] | wagnerrp: | ooh, wait, neither, neither are supported |
| [19:06:13] | orko: | i have a mpg4 hardware decoder. when using mplayer the run well |
| [19:06:28] | sphery: | "mpg4 hardware decoder"? |
| [19:06:29] | Jonny0stars: | Can anyone help me with nuvexport? I cant get past "Found 155 files, but no matching database entries" |
| [19:06:54] | orko: | sphery: isn't it called so. i chip that does all the encoding instead of cpu |
| [19:07:01] | kormoc: | Jonny0stars: nuvexport only works with recordins inside myth |
| [19:07:09] | kormoc: | orko: encoding != decoding |
| [19:07:09] | sphery: | Jonny0stars: likely you need to specify information about which database to use--it sounds like it's using the wrong one |
| [19:07:21] | orko: | oh, mistyped. sorry |
| [19:07:34] | wagnerrp: | you have a mpeg4 hardware encoder accessibly in software? |
| [19:07:37] | wagnerrp: | in linux? |
| [19:07:45] | sphery: | plextor? |
| [19:07:51] | Jonny0stars: | The script is running on the back-end so I don't know why it would using the wrong database (there is only one) |
| [19:07:55] | justinh: | sounds like another unsupported feature |
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| [19:08:02] | orko: | wagnerrp: i dont know what you mean. i have a via sp 13000 board |
| [19:08:07] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [19:08:07] | sphery: | or long-ago supported |
| [19:08:15] | orko: | usiong openchrome drivers |
| [19:08:18] | sphery: | orko: is it the plextor? |
| [19:08:19] | whoDat_: | sphery: okay. yes your right, I have most of them working by brute force.. ie watching the channel to see what it is, and then manually setting the channel number, channel name, etc. thought i was taking the hard way about it though. I thought there should be some unique way of identifying the channel, be it 'logical number', 'broadcast number', 'frequency', 'xmltvid', 'transport number'.. or what not.. and trying to exactly figure out each of those terms. |
| [19:08:21] | Jonny0stars: | kormoc: Do you mean i have to execute nuvexport from mythtv? |
| [19:08:24] | justinh: | then the mp4 isn't what the via chip can decode |
| [19:08:37] | wagnerrp: | ... moar CPU |
| [19:08:40] | justinh: | the range of formats those crap things support is very very short |
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| [19:09:04] | orko: | justinh: aah ok. |
| [19:09:06] | sphery: | whoDat_: myth uses all the info it gets to determine the channel number. If myth didn't figure it out, it doesn't have the info anywhere, so you need to do it manually. |
| [19:09:12] | orko: | but even then shouldn't the cpu be enough |
| [19:09:28] | justinh: | orko: not those boards |
| [19:09:30] | sphery: | depends a lot on bitrate and resolution |
| [19:09:33] | Jonny0stars: | sphery: If that is the case how can I supply database information to the script |
| [19:09:34] | wagnerrp: | depending on the codec/bitrate, but generally no |
| [19:09:41] | whoDat_: | sphery: what is the 'edit transports' button for in the channel editor? |
| [19:09:47] | sphery: | 160x120@38kbps should work :) |
| [19:09:50] | justinh: | they cope ok with low res xvid/divx |
| [19:09:58] | justinh: | about 1Mbit/sec |
| [19:10:04] | orko: | sphery: mplayer plays it back in normal "speed". |
| [19:10:06] | justinh: | CPU-wise |
| [19:10:09] | sphery: | whoDat_: it allows users to break their channel/tuning? |
| [19:10:15] | kormoc: | orko: and you're playing it back with what? |
| [19:10:17] | whoDat_: | lol |
| [19:10:35] | justinh: | and the mpeg decoders were generally only any use for up to resolutions of 1000xsomething |
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| [19:10:39] | orko: | what ever mythtv uses. i dont know. i go to recodings and press play. |
| [19:10:40] | whoDat_: | sphery: well, when i go in that, it has a list of frequencies.. is each row in that a seperate channel or what? |
| [19:11:00] | justinh: | orko: my epia m10k wouldn't play transcoded SDTV |
| [19:11:04] | sphery: | I don't know. It's something you should never have to edit. |
| [19:11:11] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: each is a separate physical channel |
| [19:11:13] | whoDat_: | fair 'nuf ;) |
| [19:11:24] | wagnerrp: | to which the digital subchannels are referenced to |
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| [19:12:06] | ** sphery has never entered that page in Myth ** | |
| [19:12:19] | orko: | if i disable the interlacers, then mpg4 works well and mpg2 does stutter |
| [19:12:27] | skd5aner: | hmmm – I've mysteriously lost analog audio from my SPDIF, but passthrough works fine |
| [19:12:34] | whoDat_: | wagner: so when the channel scanner said 'found 10 channels in...whatever' it meant it found 10 logical channels in one of the rows on that list? |
| [19:12:41] | justinh: | orko: also, xvmc never offered mp4 decoding support on those boards in linux anyway |
| [19:12:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: trunk or 0.22-fixes? |
| [19:12:45] | justinh: | orko: IIRC |
| [19:12:50] | skd5aner: | 0.22-fixes |
| [19:13:04] | skd5aner: | sphery: I'm not sure it's just myth either |
| [19:13:19] | skd5aner: | I did not make any changes, but I did reboot |
| [19:13:22] | sphery: | just curious |
| [19:13:35] | sphery: | I don't have any guesses what would cause it |
| [19:13:49] | skd5aner: | sphery: can't decide if I want to jump to trunk or not, for now I'm sticking to fixes :) |
| [19:14:19] | justinh: | wonder if Sunacle are ever gonna stop trying to offload OO & Yahoo toolbar on users |
| [19:14:21] | sphery: | I highly recommend -fixes for anyone not actively developing on trunk (and for those who are, I recommend -fixes on production and trunk on a dev system) |
| [19:14:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, alsamixer looks good, not sure what the deal is – these kind of things are always "fun" to troubleshoot |
| [19:14:25] | whoDat_: | sphery: I also guessed when i used 'qam-256' and 'cable' instead of qam-512 or cable-lo or what not. |
| [19:14:32] | sphery: | /especially/ with the 4-month release plan we have |
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| [19:14:43] | orko: | justinh: so i will try deconding in another standard. i need half the size mpg2 has. to watch vai wlan |
| [19:14:55] | justinh: | sigh |
| [19:15:02] | sphery: | whoDat_: you want cable full and qam-256 is the most likely one for the US. so you probably did right |
| [19:15:28] | sphery: | orko: or you could get a real computer and an ethernet cable :) |
| [19:15:29] | justinh: | I find wireless performance in linux on my notebook to be absolutely pathetic. I can be in the same room as the router & get like 64KB/sec |
| [19:16:00] | orko: | wlan is ok. draft-n is enough if i have mpg4 |
| [19:16:09] | justinh: | IN THEORY it is, yeah |
| [19:16:18] | sphery: | I find wireless performance in Linux and Windows to be spotty/temperamental/not-reliable/wildly-varying-in-bitrate-over-time |
| [19:16:23] | justinh: | real world results differ *wildly* |
| [19:16:47] | orko: | justinh: i can just tell for me. work very well and no cable needed. |
| [19:16:53] | sphery: | Your Footage May Vary |
| [19:17:10] | sphery: | (as mileage would be a pipedream :) |
| [19:17:11] | justinh: | I've seen test results where they sat a wireless card within feet of a router & got pathetic speeds |
| [19:17:30] | sphery: | gotta give those signals enough time to bloom |
| [19:17:43] | justinh: | orko: so maybe it's not your WLAN. it's more likely the pee-poor CPU |
| [19:18:01] | justinh: | drop the bitrate some more |
| [19:18:08] | justinh: | maybe the resolution by half |
| [19:18:18] | justinh: | deinterlace it when you transcode |
| [19:18:21] | orko: | justdave: ok i will try. thanks for help. cu |
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| [19:18:40] | sphery: | oobe: or just get a real computer (and, maybe, an ethernet cable) |
| [19:18:44] | antgel: | hmm. that's interesting. having spouted on about how i didn't need deinterlacing when watching BBC HD, i've just put on some SD TV and i'd like to take that comment back |
| [19:18:45] | justinh: | it's very hard not to be patronising to these buggers |
| [19:19:23] | oobe: | sphery, what are you talking about? |
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| [19:19:53] | antgel: | justinh: ITYM "beggars" or "fuggars" |
| [19:19:57] | justinh: | oobe: y'know, with like an AMD or Intel CPU. Something which has a speed that equates to its clock speed |
| [19:20:22] | justinh: | oobe: it'll come down to something that eats more than 5 watts ;-) |
| [19:20:24] | pak0: | just buyed a new usb dvb-t and now are my children testing |
| [19:20:33] | pak0: | no loss of signal seems |
| [19:20:35] | oobe: | i wasnt involved in the convo guys |
| [19:20:56] | justinh: | oobe: long story short, Epia system too underpowered to play transcoded recordings |
| [19:21:06] | justinh: | bing! next... |
| [19:21:07] | pak0: | before i have used a pci dvb-t kworld with little lost of signal |
| [19:21:22] | pak0: | but that two cards, the usb and the pci works with dvb-usb-af9015 firmaware |
| [19:21:29] | justinh: | the mpeg2 decoder on those things is brilliant when it works, given certain limitations |
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| [19:21:39] | pak0: | why the pci have lost of signal and the usb dont have it? |
| [19:22:05] | justinh: | reduces CPU load from like 99% to 15% playing a DVD |
| [19:22:37] | justinh: | with the wind behind it, going downhill |
| [19:22:46] | sphery: | oobe: sorry, that was for orko who left as I was hitting tab/complete |
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| [19:23:04] | justinh: | ahh now I gets it. I'm getting a cold :-\ |
| [19:23:10] | sphery: | stupid auto-complete^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hme |
| [19:23:51] | justinh: | still, if I feel ill enough to stay off work tomorrow, just think of all the theme I can get done :D |
| [19:23:52] | oobe: | thought so sphery could of assumed it was for my reconnects and disconnects though :P |
| [19:24:29] | sphery: | heh, well, it's my generic advice, anyway, so feel free to make it apply to your situation |
| [19:24:33] | antgel: | it would seem that VDPAU Normal is too much for my geforce 8200/8300 to come with, when fed a 1080i source. bit disappointing as i thought from the wiki it would handle temporal. i'll try VDPAU slim |
| [19:24:35] | sphery: | maybe I should have been a psychic... |
| [19:25:06] | justinh: | sphery: nah, not generic enough |
| [19:25:29] | sphery: | well, I'll keep working on my act, then :) |
| [19:25:45] | sphery: | antgel: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22466 |
| [19:26:00] | sphery: | specifically, "VDPAU Slim: use Bob 2X with skip chroma option, with One Field as fall back, to be used with nvidia cards >= 8200" |
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| [19:26:56] | justinh: | my new backend box with its 8400GS can't play BBC HD |
| [19:27:06] | ** sphery really likes how jya included "Sample" in the profile group names in [22466]. I wish all the other examples ones did so, also (so people were less likely to edit them directly). ** | |
| [19:27:32] | justinh: | haven't played with it that much – maybe ubunuts has messed with cpu speed controls by default |
| [19:27:50] | antgel: | sphery: thanks. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/386030 "Depends what sources you are planning on playing back, as long as you |
| [19:27:53] | sphery: | I might have to make a "copy-on-write" implementation for Playback Profile groups |
| [19:27:54] | antgel: | configure VDPAU correctly as per the wiki - |
| [19:27:56] | antgel: | oops |
| [19:27:58] | antgel: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU, you should be OK playing back HD (1080i) |
| [19:28:01] | antgel: | material with the Temporal x2 deinterlacer on an 8300. " |
| [19:28:23] | skd5aner: | OK – this is just bizarre. Go to bed last night, everything works, wake up and now I have no analog audio via SPDIF, even though my receive changes to "stereo PCM" when playback starts |
| [19:28:32] | skd5aner: | this happens outside of myth too, for example in firefox |
| [19:28:33] | justinh: | antgel: yeah but BBC HD got way more complex recently |
| [19:29:02] | antgel: | justinh: and allegedly worse, if you believe the blogs etc |
| [19:29:19] | sphery: | and it will always vary, but basically, the 8200 is on the /very/ low end of the spectrum |
| [19:29:23] | sphery: | (it seems) |
| [19:29:50] | antgel: | i wonder what the difference between bob and temporal is in practice. anyway, this is the card i've got and i'm sticking with it |
| [19:29:50] | skd5aner: | I switched over to my STB, which is hooked up to the receiver via SPDIF/Component passthru on the HDPVR, and it receives a PCM signal just fine |
| [19:29:55] | justinh: | can't actually remember if mine is 8200 or 8400. see how much I care? lol |
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| [19:30:10] | Jonny0stars: | Nuvexport still wont connect to the DB and i have tried the config on the backend and it works fine |
| [19:30:15] | justinh: | antgel: temporal > bob |
| [19:30:35] | justinh: | I never had any complaints with bob til I saw the greedy 2x deinterlacer |
| [19:31:22] | antgel: | what i don't understand is that BBC HD looks great without any deinterlacing. it's only with SD content that i see the need for deinterlaing |
| [19:31:52] | antgel: | ooh, ITV HD should be "broadcasting". i'll try scanning for it |
| [19:32:12] | dustybin: | justinh: my video has never looked so smooth, ticker boxes, and film credits are rock solid smooth, i have never seen anything like it |
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| [19:32:50] | Jonny0stars: | I have just tried the latest SVN build and it still gives me Found 155 files, but no matching database entries |
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| [19:33:50] | dustybin: | my current video playback profile is the default .22 settings, it says CPU+ |
| [19:34:12] | dustybin: | i havent a clue what de-interlacing method im using |
| [19:35:04] | dustybin: | my mythtv box res is 720 x 576, so maybe i should look at the |
| [19:35:31] | dustybin: | if rez < = 720 x 576 & > 0 0 > ffmpeg & XVideo ? |
| [19:35:36] | dustybin: | whatever that means in english |
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| [19:37:14] | pak0: | i use now nvdpau perfil for watch all channels |
| [19:37:14] | dustybin: | holy lord, i just selected VDPAU and the video is still playing o_) |
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| [19:37:31] | pak0: | work better for me, slim dont work fine for hd channels on my pc |
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| [19:37:34] | dustybin: | i dont even have a 9 series nvidia card |
| [19:37:40] | dustybin: | just a 5 series |
| [19:37:53] | dustybin: | the video looks dodgy |
| [19:37:56] | jduggan: | then it fell back |
| [19:38:00] | jduggan: | and didnt use vdpau |
| [19:38:04] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:38:07] | jduggan: | :p |
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| [19:38:16] | justinh: | Jonny0stars: so maybe it's not found the right database credentials |
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| [19:39:09] | justinh: | you might also consider whether or not you actually have xvid encoding support – and mp3 encoding support on your distro. last time I looked *buntu didn't |
| [19:39:17] | dustybin: | my video renderer is xv-blit and that works superb for me |
| [19:39:33] | antgel: | for pete's sake, still can't locate itv hd |
| [19:39:45] | dustybin: | MY GOD |
| [19:39:54] | dustybin: | i dont have any de-interlacers selected at all!!! |
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| [19:40:01] | dustybin: | and i dont have any problems either |
| [19:40:11] | dustybin: | how the hell does that work |
| [19:40:18] | antgel: | here's what i'm doing |
| [19:40:40] | antgel: | Scan of single existing transport 11426330 / 27500000 (59) (2315). |
| [19:40:41] | antgel: | Found 674 off-air channels (ignored all). |
| [19:40:41] | antgel: | Found 10 new non-conflicting DVB channels (ignored all even though i had previously inserted them) |
| [19:40:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: output to an interlaced TV? |
| [19:40:50] | dustybin: | yes |
| [19:40:51] | whoDat_: | is there a way to change what physical channel a specific entry in the channel editor is pointing too? |
| [19:40:55] | dustybin: | to a CRT |
| [19:40:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: that's probably why. ;-) |
| [19:41:08] | whoDat_: | or add a new channel? |
| [19:41:10] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: im using a special box what converts VGA >> RGB SCART |
| [19:41:25] | Jonny0stars: | justinh: Its got nothing to do with xvid encoding support or mp3 support, Im not sure what you mean by database credentials either |
| [19:41:33] | antgel: | justinh: do you have ITV HD working? |
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| [19:41:42] | skd5aner: | Hmmm – I'm wondering if this is what I'm encountering: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/25632 :O( |
| [19:41:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Do you have a custom modeline to drive the TV at PAL frequencies, or does the box do that for you? |
| [19:42:04] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: yes |
| [19:42:09] | dustybin: | i will paste it |
| [19:42:28] | justinh: | Jonny0stars: if nuvexport can't find the database... |
| [19:42:49] | justinh: | antgel: I don't have HD end of. yet. No immediate plans either. Nothing worth having yet IMHO |
| [19:42:51] | dustybin: | i have lots of modelines |
| [19:42:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Ok, so then that 'box' probably isn't doing anything more that generating the composite sync for the SCART connection. |
| [19:43:04] | antgel: | justinh: but you're always going on about bbc hd |
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| [19:43:10] | Jonny0stars: | justinh: Perhaps its not finding the database but how would i ever know? |
| [19:43:12] | justinh: | always? |
| [19:43:28] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: in .21 when i turned off de-interlacers, i would get all sorts of problems every now and again, i dont have any problems at all now |
| [19:43:30] | justinh: | Jonny0stars: because generally in the past you had to configure it |
| [19:43:41] | dustybin: | no wonder why my video looks good |
| [19:43:57] | justinh: | Jonny0stars: nowadays it prolly looks in 'usual' places for the database details |
| [19:44:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: that's probably because you're feeding your TV an interlaced signal, which is what it's designed for, so it 'just works'... ;-) |
| [19:44:11] | justinh: | e.g. ~/.mythtv/config.xml or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:44:19] | justinh: | if those details are wrong... |
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| [19:44:31] | dustybin: | J-e-f-f-A: its the best picture ive ever had using mythtv |
| [19:44:40] | Jonny0stars: | ah i dint check mysql.txt |
| [19:44:45] | dustybin: | picture + smoothness of everything |
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| [19:46:05] | oobe: | anyone here use wireless with ath9k i found this patch that works really well to fix dropouts |
| [19:46:42] | Jonny0stars: | justinh: That seems correct as well |
| [19:46:54] | Dagmar: | I prefer to just stay the eff away from Atheros |
| [19:46:57] | Dagmar: | Much easier |
| [19:48:03] | skd5aner: | ok guys – figured out my audio issue, just wanted to pass it on for posterity sake... |
| [19:48:39] | skd5aner: | apparently, there's some weird audity where alsa can sometimes (rarely) lose PCM audio after playing AC3 audio through SPDIF |
| [19:49:07] | skd5aner: | had to go into alsamixer, DISABLE IEC958, then re-enable it |
| [19:49:25] | skd5aner: | Never had this problem show up before... very odd |
| [19:49:28] | Dagmar: | What's an audity? |
| [19:50:05] | skd5aner: | lol – mental slip – oddity :) |
| [19:50:12] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [19:50:25] | skd5aner: | sometimes my fingers have a brain of their own :P |
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| [19:51:34] | skd5aner: | Been using SPDIF for over 4 years now, only issue used to be configuration, but it's fairly straight forward anymore – so I was kind of baffled by this |
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| [19:53:22] | skd5aner: | So – next step for my .22 w/HD-PVR system to be happy is a VDPAU card |
| [19:53:25] | Dagmar: | http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-multimedia-stat . . . l?adid=17653 <-- purty |
| [19:55:43] | wagnerrp: | is that a dual 5.25" bay? |
| [19:58:24] | justdave: | is there a way to set a thumbnail on a folder in MythVideo 0.22 that only has other folders in it? (it seems to take the thumbnail from the first video in that folder, but that obviously doesn't work if there's no videos directly in the folder) |
| [19:59:27] | justdave: | I have hierarchical folders, and the category ones all show up with a big "?" in black and white where the thumbnail would be |
| [20:00:23] | justdave: | mythtv wiki is obviously getting slammed today, it's a crap shoot if I can get the pages to load (tried to look there first) |
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| [20:04:50] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It looks it, but it's black, not silver like my case |
| [20:04:51] | Jonny0stars: | Ok i have made sure all of the config files are correct for mythtv but i still get the same error message |
| [20:04:54] | gravy: | oobe: I have one in my eee 701 |
| [20:05:27] | gravy: | although it's working fairly well under ubuntu 9.10 |
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| [20:08:26] | Jonny0stars: | mythbackend.log gives me MainServer::HandleAnnounce; Monitor adding: blu3cat2 as a client (events: 0) which seems fine to me |
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| [20:16:25] | ** Jonny0stars bangs head against desk ** | |
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| [20:23:37] | Jonny0stars: | Well is there a way I can supply nuvexport with a file and have to transcode it that way |
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| [20:35:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I saw this & thought you might find it mildy amusing http://bit.ly/20e4QA |
| [20:37:01] | dustybin: | haha |
| [20:37:16] | laga: | LOL |
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| [20:45:42] | Jonny0stars: | I managed to fix it :-) |
| [20:46:22] | Jonny0stars: | The error it was giving me was back to front it actually meant it couldn't find any files dues to a misconfigured storage directory |
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| [20:59:28] | Wicked: | you guys consider suing slashdot and digg for ddos? |
| [20:59:30] | Wicked: | ;o |
| [20:59:46] | Wicked: | been unresponsive for like 36+ hours |
| [21:01:43] | skd5aner: | looking for some recording rule advice... |
| [21:02:29] | skd5aner: | Want to record a show, it's on an analog channel and a digital channel (recorded via HD-PVR/STB) |
| [21:02:55] | skd5aner: | My HD-PVR can record both analog channels and the digital channel |
| [21:03:18] | skd5aner: | I've set up the rule so that it records the show I want on "any channel", and to prefer the HD-PVR input |
| [21:03:27] | skd5aner: | however, it's defaulting to the analog channel |
| [21:03:58] | skd5aner: | I'd prefer to 1) No remove the analog channels from the video source that that the HD-PVR is capable of recording those if/as needed |
| [21:04:19] | skd5aner: | and 2) Not modifying the channel priorities (unless that's on a per-source basis) |
| [21:05:03] | skd5aner: | I suppose that might be the answer, making the analog channels on the HD-PVR's source lower priority. Can you modify that per source? |
| [21:06:46] | skd5aner: | and the answer is yes :) |
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| [21:07:01] | skd5aner: | now to see if I can craft up a SQL statement to do this for me |
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| [21:18:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: Make sure you read (and understand) all of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html before changing any input or channel priorities. You really don't want to change them ever. They don't change where things get recorded so much as which things get recorded (i.e. there is only /one/ priority), so changing their priorities may mean you miss recording your favorite show ever and instead record some OK show. It ... |
| [21:18:12] | sphery: | ... sounds like the problem is that your inputs aren't connected properly--and if they were, it would record on the right input. |
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| [21:20:32] | skd5aner: | sphery: here is the SQL statement I was crafting, UPDATE channel SET recpriority = -1 WHERE chanid BETWEEN 3001 AND 3199 |
| [21:20:50] | skd5aner: | those are all the analog and digital channels (but non-HD) |
| [21:20:56] | skd5aner: | let me check out the docs |
| [21:21:26] | sphery: | you're better off with recpriority set to 0 |
| [21:21:33] | sphery: | you need to connect your inputs in the order desired |
| [21:21:50] | sphery: | so if you prefer the HD-PVR, connect it first |
| [21:21:52] | skd5aner: | hmm, so, a couple quick questions... |
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| [21:22:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'll be back in a half hour or so... |
| [21:22:52] | skd5aner: | Actually, I've got QAM, Analog, and HD-PVR. I'd like QAM to record first if possible, then HD-PVR, the analog |
| [21:23:09] | skd5aner: | sphery: ok, I'll catch you later – still not sure tuner order is the answer (I'll explain why later) |
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| [21:47:32] | sphery: | skd5aner: So that means you'd have to connect your QAM input(s) first, then your HD-PVR input(s), then your analog input(s). And it's input order, /not/ card order. |
| [21:47:51] | sphery: | cards can be defined in any order |
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| [21:50:24] | skd5aner: | Correct, that's good info to have |
| [21:50:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: as a matter of "exercise" I tested out changing the channel priority |
| [21:50:48] | sphery: | do you still think it's not order, though? |
| [21:51:12] | sphery: | In the simplest cases, channel priority will do what you expect. In others, it won't. |
| [21:51:15] | skd5aner: | here's why I think, even after thouroughly re-reading the docs, why I think it's the right move in this case :) |
| [21:51:30] | skd5aner: | Analog Tuners – tune Channels 2–99 |
| [21:51:41] | skd5aner: | Qam Tuners – about 20 or so channels in the 200s |
| [21:51:48] | sphery: | which is why most think that they want channel or input priorities when they don't (then they complain when things don't work the way they expect later--when they hit that more complex situation) |
| [21:52:11] | skd5aner: | HDPVR – Tunes Channels 1–999 (whatever I get in between) – inclusive of all the channels that Analog and QAM tuners can tune |
| [21:52:16] | DjMadness: | is there any way to force mythfrontend to start when i am using the same server as an pulseaudio server ? |
| [21:52:43] | DjMadness: | "AudioPulseUtil, Error: Sound server is not local, can not suspend." (yet its on the same machine) |
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| [21:53:22] | skd5aner: | so, the show I want to record is on FX, which is on analog 45 and digital (HD) 267 |
| [21:53:51] | skd5aner: | Analog can tune 45, but HD-PVR's video source can tune both 45 and 267 – QAM can't, it's 5C |
| [21:54:33] | skd5aner: | So, regardless of input/tuner order, I have set the rule to prefer using the HD-PVR |
| [21:54:57] | skd5aner: | the HD-PVR is free at the time, but is chosing by default to record channel 45, when I want it to record 267 |
| [21:54:59] | sphery: | DjMadness: that's a completely unhandled situation. Feel free to modify the code /iff/ there's a way to request suspending of PulseAudio for a networked server--yeah, the message is confusing because it uses the local system as the network server, but it's because it's using the networked Pulse that it doesn't work. |
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| [21:55:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: why even include the analog channels in the HD-PVR video source, then? |
| [21:55:56] | skd5aner: | I was able to test this out, but lowering the rec priority for channel 45 in video source 3 (which is only used for the HD-PVR), and then kicked off --resched |
| [21:55:58] | sphery: | if you have one that's available both analog and digital through the HD-PVR, just delete all the analog ones |
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| [21:56:07] | skd5aner: | when I did, it switched to use 267 |
| [21:56:24] | skd5aner: | sphery: yes – that would be /another/ option too :) |
| [21:56:27] | DjMadness: | sphery: it does work... but i am forced to edit config file, shutdown pulse, start mythfrontend, edit config file start pulse. its just starting the frontend thats complaining. was wondering if there was a way to override it. |
| [21:56:56] | sphery: | if you /have/ to have both the analog and the digital version of it in the HD-PVR video source, then what you're doing is fine, but you're better off getting rid of it--unless there's /any/ reason you can think of that you'd actually want to use the standard-def version of the channel through the HD-PVR |
| [21:57:11] | skd5aner: | but, what I ended up doing, rather than deleting/hiding those channels on the HD-PVR video source was lowering the rec priority for all channels 1–199 on that video source |
| [21:57:37] | sphery: | DjMadness: all I can say is: libs/libmyth/audiopulseutil.cpp line 165 |
| [21:57:46] | sphery: | DjMadness: if you can make it better, we appreciate the patch |
| [21:58:05] | skd5aner: | sphery: true – my thought was why limit if I didn't have to, the likelyhood of me needing to use teh HD-PVR to record those channels is almost nil, but this way – those channels are there if needed |
| [21:58:05] | sphery: | DjMadness: or, if you want it to actually work, fix the pulseaudio output itself so it doesn't need to suspend Pulse |
| [21:58:13] | sphery: | i.e. so that Myth actually works with Pulse |
| [21:58:37] | DjMadness: | sphery: will see what i can do.. and if not its patch worthy for the main, someone could download it. |
| [21:58:43] | sphery: | skd5aner: and they slow down the scheduler and they make browsing the guide more complex and ... |
| [21:58:59] | sphery: | IMHO, if you don't use it, don't waste myth's time (or yours) on it :) |
| [21:59:22] | skd5aner: | I might move in that direction – I know that's the "big hammer" approach, and it might be the right one |
| [21:59:29] | sphery: | DjMadness: the plan is to eventually support Pulse--but not until Pulse can do what we need |
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| [21:59:44] | skd5aner: | I'm happy to say that the recpriority did indeed do what I thought it would though, which was a nice learning excercise if nothing else |
| [21:59:56] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:00:19] | skd5aner: | sphery: one other question regarding tuner/input order |
| [22:00:27] | DjMadness: | sphery: ye ofcource, at least it "can" work atm... might be able to make a hack-patch to make it function for my needs. |
| [22:00:52] | skd5aner: | I know you, like most devs, don't really use live TV, but I tend to use it when we have guests over or just want to surf |
| [22:00:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I stand corrected--using channel priority is fine if you happen to have redundant/useless channels on a single video source :) |
| [22:01:38] | skd5aner: | right now, my MBE has my 2 QAM tuners (with 4 virtual tuners each) and 3 Analog tuners (PVR 250 and 500 |
| [22:01:49] | skd5aner: | and my HD-PVR is hooked up to my SBE/FE |
| [22:01:52] | sphery: | DjMadness: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7525 + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7496 |
| [22:02:02] | DjMadness: | skd5aner: using mythtv my self mainly for livetv... so i can use dvb on an old crt tv :) |
| [22:02:18] | skd5aner: | the HD-PVR was added lastm and is the tuner in the list |
| [22:02:52] | skd5aner: | everytime I start LiveTV, it wants to use the HD-PVR, and I'd like to prevent that from becoming the default tuner for live TV – how can I do that beyond reordering the tuners? |
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| [22:02:59] | skd5aner: | does Live TV always pick the last tuner in the list? |
| [22:03:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: guessing what the question will be, but... LiveTV /always/ chooses the lowest-numbered (best) /local/ input then falls back to non-local if not available *unless* you enable "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" in which case it /always/ chooses the highest-numbered (worst) input |
| [22:03:56] | sphery: | skd5aner: you should /really/ do the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:04:11] | sphery: | skd5aner: you will /not/ lose any video source information (including channels or channel priorities or ...) |
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| [22:04:27] | DjMadness: | sphery: thx, ill look at them :) |
| [22:04:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: you will only lose your capture cards, then you can recreate them, then connect inputs in the desired order |
| [22:04:56] | sphery: | skd5aner: so, by your experience with LiveTV, you've enabled, "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" |
| [22:05:31] | sphery: | not that you completely lose the "prefer local inputs" with "Avoid conflicts..." enabled, too |
| [22:05:36] | skd5aner: | OK – that was a guess I had, that it'll pick a local tuner first (since this is the only one) AND even if it wasn't, since it's last in the list it'll be picked because I do have "avoid conflicts" enabled |
| [22:05:39] | sphery: | so, yeah, with that enabled, it always picks the last input |
| [22:06:04] | sphery: | yeah, the local tuner doesn't apply with avoid conflicts, but otherwise, exactly right |
| [22:06:10] | skd5aner: | perfect – I'll read through that and get it re-ordered a bit more properly |
| [22:06:39] | skd5aner: | sphery: I wish there were more folks/devs like you in the myth community |
| [22:06:53] | sphery: | basically, the only important info in there (once you know how to connect inputs in the proper order) is "Delete /all/ capture cards" (and /not/ "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>" |
| [22:07:05] | sphery: | heh, you mean with no life and lots of time? |
| [22:07:33] | skd5aner: | sphery: not only are you knowledgable (like a lot of the folks), but you're very unselfish and extremely helpful to everyone |
| [22:07:34] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:08:09] | sphery: | well, I appreciate your saying so, but I think the other devs are like that, too--they just may not spend as much time on here to help out, so you may just not notice :) |
| [22:08:11] | skd5aner: | anyway – just my way of saying thanks :) |
| [22:08:20] | sphery: | you're welcome, and I hope it helps |
| [22:08:31] | skd5aner: | yea, not trying to single anyone else out as being the opposite |
| [22:09:06] | skd5aner: | lots and lots of good folks here |
| [22:09:25] | skd5aner: | OK – two more things for you, related to the subject |
| [22:09:46] | sphery: | cool |
| [22:09:47] | skd5aner: | 1 – I think I have a bug report, but wanted to see if it's just me or if you might be able to reproduce it easily before I submit |
| [22:10:01] | skd5aner: | I can NOT get Y or C to work within Live TV |
| [22:10:05] | skd5aner: | they are bound properly |
| [22:10:11] | sphery: | great... always nice to get a sanity check before making a new ticket |
| [22:10:27] | sphery: | they're bound to what? |
| [22:10:35] | skd5aner: | and have worked prior to my upgrade to .22-fixes |
| [22:10:40] | skd5aner: | let me double check |
| [22:10:40] | sphery: | chances are you need to make a /new/ key bindings for NEXTCARD and use it |
| [22:10:43] | sphery: | the way they work changed |
| [22:10:54] | skd5aner: | I see |
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| [22:11:47] | sphery: | NEXTSOURCE = Y, NEXTINPUT = C by default |
| [22:12:02] | sphery: | NEXTCARD can easily be mapped to, i.e. Alt+C and then used instead |
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| [22:12:25] | skd5aner: | Y is currently bound to VIEWCARD |
| [22:12:50] | skd5aner: | Well – let me start over |
| [22:12:54] | skd5aner: | there is "TV Frontend" |
| [22:12:58] | skd5aner: | and "TV Playback" |
| [22:13:06] | skd5aner: | what is appropriate? TV Playback? |
| [22:13:33] | skd5aner: | NEXTSOURCE = Y (does nothing) |
| [22:13:43] | skd5aner: | NEXTINPUT = C (does nothing) |
| [22:13:48] | skd5aner: | both in TV Playback |
| [22:13:59] | skd5aner: | NEXTCARD is not bound |
| [22:14:24] | sphery: | bind NEXTCARD to something and test that it works |
| [22:14:37] | skd5aner: | will do – should the other's do anything though? |
| [22:17:16] | skd5aner: | also, does the frontend need to be restarted after modifying keybindings? |
| [22:17:25] | sphery: | the NEXTSOURCE/NEXTINPUT have to choose a channel and are probably affected by the bug at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6208 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7197 (and/or http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7411 ). The first 2 are fixed in trunk, but not 0.22-fixes, yet. |
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| [22:17:56] | sphery: | depends what bindings you modify... I would suggest restarting just to make sure it works. |
| [22:19:30] | skd5aner: | hmm – it doesn't appear to be working |
| [22:19:34] | skd5aner: | let me try a few other things |
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| [22:20:13] | sphery: | skd5aner: are you building myth yourself? If so, testing with the patch for #6208 / #7197 would be good. |
| [22:20:18] | skd5aner: | That'd be why – mythweb didn't save the keybinding change, will do it from the frontend |
| [22:20:20] | sphery: | i.e. it could also be affected by them |
| [22:20:30] | sphery: | ah, yeah, use mythcontrols to remap |
| [22:20:48] | sphery: | mythweb also does not check for conflicts, so you can break all sorts of things using it to remap keys |
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| [22:21:08] | sphery: | i.e. there are only about 5 keys on the keyboard open for binding even with just the default bindings |
| [22:21:38] | skd5aner: | I know – it's kinda funny |
| [22:21:40] | clever: | ive found it a pain to find an unused key for binding to the remote |
| [22:21:49] | clever: | the remote config shouldnt go thru the keyboard system |
| [22:22:10] | clever: | mplayer's design is alot more sane, where buttons map directly to functions within the program |
| [22:22:26] | justinh: | but where are your patches to fix it? |
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| [22:22:31] | sphery: | I always go with Alt+ or Ctrl+ just ecause of that |
| [22:22:43] | clever: | sphery: ah, never thought of that |
| [22:23:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: no dice, saved the setting as ctrl+c within mythcontrols, restarted frontend – no response |
| [22:23:23] | skd5aner: | I do have .22-fixes from source |
| [22:23:36] | sphery: | Try applying the patch for #6208, then |
| [22:23:53] | skd5aner: | I've always been fairly weary of applying patches, let me give it a shot |
| [22:24:02] | antgel: | freudian spelling |
| [22:24:16] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22346?fo . . . mp;new=22346 |
| [22:24:22] | skd5aner: | yea – I'm good at that :P |
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| [22:25:03] | skd5aner: | sphery: dumb question, can I wget that or will the redirect mess it up? |
| [22:25:30] | sphery: | wget is fine--just do a -O 'changeset-22346.patch' |
| [22:25:48] | sphery: | might also have to do a dos2unix afterwards (Trac for some stupid reason uses DOS line feeds) |
| [22:25:48] | skd5aner: | can I apply this to the frontend only? |
| [22:26:33] | sphery: | should work, but if it doesn't, please try applying to all systems before thinking it proves that's not it :) |
| [22:27:06] | skd5aner: | k – getting dark and I've gotta get the dog outside – brb |
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| [22:36:06] | darren: | hi all, i've attempted an upgrade to mythbuntu 9.10 to get mythtv .22, however i've been having a lot of issues. i would rather just upgrade the mythtv install in my existing 9.04 install. i have so far been unable to work out if there is any way to use synaptic to perform this upgrade or if i need to completely remove .21 and compile .22 from scratch? any advice would be greatly appreciated. |
| [22:36:34] | iamlindoro: | darren: The folks in #ubuntu-mythtv would be better equipped to answer that question |
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| [22:36:45] | darren: | iamlindoro: thanks :-) |
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| [22:36:49] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:37:56] | AtomicSpark: | So my friend has an old TiVo box. Can he install MythTV or something like it onto it, so he doesn't have to sign up for the service? Or are non-commercial DVRs pretty much limited to real computers? |
| [22:38:21] | iamlindoro: | AtomicSpark: can't do anything with tivo hardware besides tivo |
| [22:38:35] | iamlindoro: | no support for the closed API hardware used on it to play video |
| [22:38:44] | iamlindoro: | and audio |
| [22:38:54] | AtomicSpark: | Yeah. I was thinking it over. It probably stores its "os" on a ROM chip. |
| [22:39:01] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [22:39:10] | Dagmar: | No one uses ROM anymore. |
| [22:39:23] | AtomicSpark: | I have some gathering dust in my closet :P |
| [22:39:45] | Dagmar: | So put a jewelry hook on them and sell 'em on ebay as retro jewelry |
| [22:39:53] | Dagmar: | That's all they'll be good for anymore |
| [22:41:11] | AtomicSpark: | Well I guess I should just ask my real question. My friend set up a home video servalence thingy and apparently the cameras are multiplexed over coax cable. He started asking me about DVRs because he had aquired a TiVo box. I told him he could probably just use an old computer + tuner + MythTV and the like. |
| [22:41:30] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [22:41:34] | Dagmar: | The TiVo won't be much use to him |
| [22:42:04] | AtomicSpark: | Heh. Figured as much. |
| [22:42:16] | laga: | i also want a servalence thing |
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| [22:45:18] | justinh: | heh. cameras multiplexed over a coax cable. pfft |
| [22:45:42] | wagnerrp: | that cant be cheap |
| [22:46:02] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually seen a piece of equipment that will run on something other than channel 3 or 4 |
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| [22:46:10] | justinh: | cheap DVRs generally have one video decoder & they mux the camera inputs onto it |
| [22:46:20] | Dagmar: | Your country aired a seance for Michael Jackson. The credibiliy of your entire nation is now in qustion |
| [22:46:45] | skd5aner: | sphery: tv_play.cpp already has that line removed in the version I have checked out from .22-fixes |
| [22:47:03] | justinh: | Dagmar: your country created Michael Jackson. heh |
| [22:47:17] | antgel: | hmm, mythcommflag just about killed my cpu whilst i was trying to watch something i'd recorded. cpu usage is generally about 6%. when mythcommflag was running, i noticed my cpu was at well over 100% usage (top) and mythcommflag was at about 46%. any way to make mythcommflag a bit "nice"r? |
| [22:47:27] | sphery: | skd5aner: hmmm... maybe it was fixed before the -fixes split |
| [22:47:57] | sphery: | antgel: there's a setting where you specify how nice user jobs are |
| [22:49:20] | Dagmar: | justinh: No, actually as far as I'm concerned "African-Americans" did |
| [22:49:21] | skd5aner: | Still not getting any response from anything bound to NEXTSOURCE, NEXTINPUT, NEXTCARD |
| [22:49:38] | wagnerrp: | wow... real life pipboy.... http://gizmodo.com/5401391/ |
| [22:49:59] | skd5aner: | Would anyone care to test and see if any of those bindings are working for them in Live TV in .22-fixes? |
| [22:50:09] | antgel: | sphery: i'll check out www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs. what's weird is that is a dual core cpu, with only 6% usage originally, i don't understand why mythcommflag had such an impact |
| [22:50:19] | justinh: | Dagmar: much as I'd like to do something about the human leech they call Derek Accorah, I can't. Likewise, Sky TV |
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| [22:51:03] | skd5aner: | antgel: I had a recording last night where mythcommflag was using 70% CPU in TOP with a nice of 17 (low CPU on that backend), it was fubaring up my ATSC playback on that device |
| [22:51:24] | skd5aner: | I turned it off and will just let the MBE handle commflagging |
| [22:51:32] | justinh: | don't go tarring all UKers with the same brush. We don't go round blaming merkins for everything Bush did |
| [22:51:41] | justinh: | & everything Obama's not gonna do :) |
| [22:51:50] | antgel: | CHANGE |
| [22:52:06] | sphery: | skd5aner: OK, having looked at the code, it looks like someone disconnected them. There's already a ticket at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6472 |
| [22:52:39] | wagnerrp: | we have 'hope' that hes not just another politician |
| [22:52:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: I had marked it red in my folder meaning that I figured it was user error, but on further inspection, it seems it was actually disabled recently. |
| [22:52:53] | wagnerrp: | considering how fine and upstanding the last several to have come out of Illinois have been |
| [22:53:03] | sphery: | skd5aner: until then, use the MENU |
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| [22:53:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks! |
| [22:53:19] | sphery: | then = whenever I (or someone else) get around to looking at it |
| [22:53:34] | antgel: | skd5aner: yes, it seems that mythcommflag is niced by default, although i have to verify that. maybe i'll get these things to run in the early hours. i mean, BBC HD doesn't even *show* commercials |
| [22:53:45] | sphery: | skd5aner: thanks for running tests for me, though, as a sanity check |
| [22:53:48] | skd5aner: | sphery: let me know if there's anything else I can do to help out with troubleshooting (unfortuantely, my skills fall short of submitting a patch) :) |
| [22:54:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you think 5 of 6 governors going to jail is too many? |
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| [22:54:23] | justinh: | antgel: you know there's a 'commfree' setting for every channel right? |
| [22:54:41] | antgel: | justinh: :-O clearly not. when did that beauty appear? |
| [22:54:57] | justinh: | as in 'commercial free' as in "doesn't show commercials" or rather "don't bother commercial flagging anything from this channel" |
| [22:54:58] | sphery: | skd5aner: I likely will--I can't really do LiveTV on my dev box and don't have multiple inputs/sources/cards for testing, either |
| [22:55:03] | justinh: | oh since about 0.14 or so |
| [22:55:04] | antgel: | justinh: beautiful |
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| [22:55:19] | antgel: | heh, i never noticed that. er, $some_excuse |
| [22:57:32] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I lived in Chicago and other parts of Illinois for a few years. Needless to say, I was not a fan of any of the politicians there |
| [22:58:26] | sphery: | yeah, and many of those same governors lived in Chicago and then used state tax dollars to fly the private jet to Springfield for work |
| [22:58:56] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [22:59:09] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Because we don't shoot them enough |
| [22:59:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont care if you could fly the jet just for the hell of it |
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| [22:59:18] | wagnerrp: | thats a LONG commute |
| [22:59:27] | skd5aner: | Well, it was the Chicago politics I hated even more – Kind Daley and his circus of thugs |
| [22:59:29] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre talking at least an hour for any plane flight |
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| [22:59:52] | Dagmar: | It's not about representing a district. It's about ruling over a portion of the population. |
| [23:00:06] | skd5aner: | I'm sure if Chicago could legally secede from the rest of the state, it would |
| [23:00:12] | Dagmar: | If you had to actually live there you might suffer the repercussions of your actions. |
| [23:00:17] | Dagmar: | That's not the way rulership works! |
| [23:00:19] | skd5aner: | why do you think it's surrounded by draw bridges :) |
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| [23:02:09] | skd5aner: | Anyway – I leave the state, greatful to get away from the politics, then they elect one of their own to the white house – no escaping I guess |
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| [23:03:46] | pak0: | i think i have my issue solved |
| [23:03:57] | skd5aner: | pak0: what was the issue? |
| [23:04:29] | pak0: | my dvb-t kworld pc160 dont take very good signal, have a little lost |
| [23:04:47] | pak0: | on 9.04 have same issue but only can use one turner |
| [23:05:05] | pak0: | now we can use the two tuners but w/o perfect signal |
| [23:05:29] | pak0: | just buyed one dvb-t on usb, that use same firmware, dvb-usb-af9015 |
| [23:05:40] | pak0: | and i can wach all channels with perfect quality |
| [23:05:53] | pak0: | its recommended to update the entry of this card on wiki of mythtv? |
| [23:06:24] | pak0: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Kworld_DVB-T_PC160-2T |
| [23:06:47] | pak0: | now supports two tunners (tested by me xD) but signal dont take ir perfect |
| [23:07:03] | pak0: | have alot of pixels (when you dont have perfect signal on dvb-t) |
| [23:07:34] | ivor: | it's a wiki, edit away. |
| [23:08:35] | pak0: | i think this can help another people really? |
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| [23:09:40] | pak0: | now i have to learn how to edit the wiki xD |
| [23:10:48] | pak0: | dont work with opera? lol |
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| [23:12:13] | pak0: | ill try it with firefox, but need someone to watch my update because my english is a little low |
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| [23:15:19] | skd5aner: | pak0: it SHOULD work with Opera (I'm guessing?) but the website is under heavy load right now so it may not be loading properly |
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| [23:17:03] | pak0: | yes, now i can edit with opera, its what you say |
| [23:17:09] | pak0: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Kworld_DVB-T_PC160-2T |
| [23:17:13] | pak0: | is that correct? |
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| [23:23:03] | pak0: | this is incredibly, the two cards have the same chipset, afatech, and the two cards load the same firm, af9015, but one have perfect signal and the other have alot of pixels |
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| [23:23:46] | pak0: | one is usb and cost 45? and works fine (conceptronic) and the other is pci and have alot of pixels (kworld) |
| [23:23:47] | pak0: | why? |
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| [23:24:10] | Dagmar: | Because you're buying crap |
| [23:24:22] | pak0: | can be a problem under the pci port? error on motherboard? need to update bios or edit manually IRQs? |
| [23:24:47] | pak0: | the kworld pc160 cost 37? and have two turners and support for HD |
| [23:24:57] | Dagmar: | Swap what slot they're in. If they still malfunction, doing all that will make just as much sense as it did before |
| [23:25:15] | Dagmar: | You paid for crap, you got crap. |
| [23:25:15] | pak0: | the conceptronic cost 45? have one turner and, dont say it on the case, but support too HD channels, but only have 1 turner |
| [23:25:19] | Dagmar: | No big shock there. |
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| [23:25:36] | pak0: | crap? |
| [23:26:21] | pak0: | xD google translator works fine xD |
| [23:26:47] | pak0: | but that kworld under windows work very fine! dont can be the driver or firmaware under mythtv? |
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| [23:27:17] | Dagmar: | MythTV doesn't make drivers. |
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| [23:27:38] | Dagmar: | MythTV doesn't make firmware, either. |
| [23:28:48] | laga: | it says "Made in Isaac's basement" on this card?! |
| [23:29:31] | whoDat_: | hmm this is odd. when changing channels using the hdtv5500 (SD) sometimes it doesnt go full screen, just puts a smaller video in the top left and leaves the previous channel i was on frozen in the rest of the screen. |
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| [23:29:46] | ExElNeT: | any idea what went wrong here? http://pastebin.com/m1d4c8e72 |
| [23:30:03] | ExElNeT: | if i use the same line from a terminal, it works just fine |
| [23:30:12] | NightMonkey: | Heya, all. Anyone have war stories of 0.22 and the PVR-350 (for recording and playback)? I'm thinking of taking the plunge and upgrading. |
| [23:30:38] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Yes. contact whoever built your binaries, or remove your "custom" commflag job |
| [23:31:44] | ** skd5aner is amazed that people still use the PVR 350 for playback ** | |
| [23:31:58] | iamlindoro: | PVR-350 specific code in .22 is unchanged |
| [23:31:59] | dmz: | i just upgraded my ubuntu with a 350 and a minimyth box with a 500 and both upgraded fine |
| [23:32:03] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: custom commflag? what custom? this is just a script which starts mythtranscode --honorcutlist. it works fine when using from a terminal |
| [23:32:08] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Line 2 indicates pretty clearly that you either did something weird to how it calls the commflagger, or that your commflagging program is _very_ broken |
| [23:32:09] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: the call must be wrong somehow |
| [23:32:13] | iamlindoro: | though you should expect that the TV-out specific code for the PVR-350 in myth will likely be removed for .23 |
| [23:32:24] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Obviously |
| [23:32:43] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: My guess is something sub'd _'s for spaces |
| [23:32:57] | brad3: | does anyone know what function/class I would use to bring up a MythTV "messagebox" (for lack of a better phrase) in a plugin? |
| [23:33:14] | iamlindoro: | brad3: which box? |
| [23:33:21] | iamlindoro: | OK/Cancel? |
| [23:33:23] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Actually my guess is that the 'removecommercials' script is laughably broken |
| [23:33:26] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: /home/mythtv/bin/removecommercials %DIR% %FILE% %CHANID% %STARTTIME% |
| [23:33:36] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: thats directly from the sql tables |
| [23:33:45] | brad3: | i'm not sure which box, i just want to bring up a box filled with text to alert people to something (and probably an okay button with it to close?) |
| [23:33:59] | Dagmar: | "Nov 10 15:31:50 fw ntpd[9237]: kernel time sync status change 4001" <-- this is from my syslog. It's just as meaningful. |
| [23:33:59] | iamlindoro: | brad3: MythConfirmationDialog, which can be OK/Cancel or OK only (takes a bool on whether to show the cancel) |
| [23:34:08] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: /home/mythtv/bin/removecommercials /mnt/onecanfail/mythtv/recordings 18500_20091107201400.mpg |
| [23:34:11] | ExElNeT: | 18500 20091107201400 |
| [23:34:13] | ExElNeT: | this works fine |
| [23:34:13] | brad3: | niiiice! i knew there would be something |
| [23:34:20] | brad3: | you rock as usual iamlindoro |
| [23:34:26] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:34:36] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Then tell us how from there it gets to seeing "18500" as an argument by itself |
| [23:34:45] | iamlindoro: | brad3: Should be tons and tons of examples if you grep the code, it's very easy to use |
| [23:34:50] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Actually read your own pastebin output |
| [23:34:50] | brad3: | one other question, completely off topic, so please ignore if you wish :) |
| [23:35:19] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: yeah take a look at the quotes ' |
| [23:35:20] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Line 2. It's meaning is very specific |
| [23:35:35] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: the quotes are fine |
| [23:35:48] | Dagmar: | Ah then you dont' have a problem anymore |
| [23:35:52] | Dagmar: | Glad we could be of help |
| [23:36:16] | brad3: | i am using QFile to open a text file and read some data out of it, and i tried to use QFile file("~/bleh.txt"); But Qfile doesn't seem to recognize the ~. Is there a way i can get it to recognize, or another function to find what the value of ~ should be? |
| [23:36:27] | Dagmar: | You might want to _get rid of the embedded newline_ |
| [23:36:34] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro, dmz: Thanks. Yeah, I know about the code-purge. However, I think that was also said for 0.22. :) I just don't have the $$ right now to go HD. |
| [23:36:42] | Dagmar: | So again, line 2 of your pastebin output says it all |
| [23:37:25] | Dagmar: | brad3: There are environment variables |
| [23:37:30] | Dagmar: | brad3: "~" is not one |
| [23:37:33] | ** NightMonkey thanks the devs for keeping the PVR-350 code for 0.22. ** | |
| [23:37:54] | iamlindoro: | brad3: QDir::homePath() |
| [23:37:57] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Spot anything unusual with this log? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/7539/myth.log |
| [23:38:01] | brad3: | perfect |
| [23:38:01] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [23:38:03] | brad3: | thanks guys |
| [23:38:21] | Dibblah: | That's been annoying me for _ages_. |
| [23:38:24] | brad3: | expect to see a rocking plugin from me, sometime in 2014. :> |
| [23:38:28] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: the problem is not the script if it works otherwise with the exact same options. its somewhere with the call from mythtv. ... hmm the newline... |
| [23:38:37] | Dagmar: | brad3: ...although I really wish it was the OS parsing that and not the shell. You are far from the first person to fall prey to that |
| [23:38:39] | iamlindoro: | brad3: Have to keep in mind Qt is cross platform, so ~ would not be safe off of POSIX |
| [23:38:40] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: dont expect it to last a lot longer |
| [23:38:53] | wagnerrp: | the first kernel/driver regression, and it will probably get dropped |
| [23:39:02] | brad3: | so i should probably stay away from it? |
| [23:39:08] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: yes, like I said... Line 2 is a dead giveaway you've got an embedded newline in there, and when you *pasted* the command the newline also showed up |
| [23:39:13] | iamlindoro: | brad3: ~ yes, but that's why homepath exists |
| [23:39:18] | wagnerrp: | its effectively unmaintained at this point |
| [23:39:30] | Dagmar: | brad3: Grab the value of $HOME and prepend it |
| [23:39:43] | iamlindoro: | brad3: QString myPath = QDir::homePath() + "/bleh.txt"; |
| [23:39:44] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Roger. |
| [23:39:48] | brad3: | ahh got it, read that wrong. thanks iamlindoro |
| [23:39:50] | Dagmar: | ooo even better |
| [23:40:20] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Sweet crap that's long... Gimme a few |
| [23:40:30] | iamlindoro: | brad3: On windows will give you "C:/Documents and Settings/Brad/bleh.txt" and on Linux will give you "/home/brad/bleh.txt", etc. |
| [23:40:33] | Dibblah: | Nah. It's just showing _real_ verbosity :) |
| [23:40:42] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: i have been editing this statement a few time before coming here... maybe phpmyadmin is doing shit |
| [23:40:43] | Dibblah: | Look at the ticket for details. |
| [23:41:09] | iamlindoro: | brad3: To be compliant with how we do it, though, you want something like: |
| [23:41:11] | Dibblah: | Simple enough change, it's probably a little incorrect – I do not know if it's properly thread safe. |
| [23:41:25] | iamlindoro: | QString myPath = QDir::homePath() + "/.mythtv/MythBrad/bleh.txt"; |
| [23:41:29] | Dagmar: | ExElNeT: Considering that the line break happened at the same place it's screwing up your script call, I doubt it. Why exactly is the default invocation not enough for you? |
| [23:41:40] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: you should probably consider upgrading in the near future... $150 gets you a machine that will play everything short of HDPVR/bluray in software, and everything else in hardware |
| [23:42:04] | brad3: | ok, will do that. definitely want to be compliant. hope to make it in mythtv, somewhere way off into the future. |
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| [23:42:28] | iamlindoro: | brad3: What are you reading from the text file? |
| [23:42:40] | iamlindoro: | brad3: hopefully not settings-- for those you want to use the dB |
| [23:43:12] | ExElNeT: | Dagmar: you mean just calling transcode? |
| [23:43:57] | brad3: | basically, i'm trying to make a plugin out of the Integrate XM Radio into Myth scripts that some people wrote (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Integrate_XM). To do that I have to use curl to interact with the XM Radio website to log in and get a cookie, so i can pass the stream off to mplayer/xine |
| [23:44:03] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Ah, but then I'd also need to get an HD TV. And upgrade my sat subscription. Does $150 get a full backend/frontend machine? Is there a specific machine you have in mind? |
| [23:44:27] | brad3: | so i have to read a file to get information that curl sends back (because as far as i can tell, i can't get output of a command from myth_system, only exit code) |
| [23:44:32] | iamlindoro: | brad3: IS there a reason to use curl instead of QHttp? |
| [23:45:00] | iamlindoro: | brad3: QHttp would allow you to pull the address straight into a QBytearray and would be much, much cleaner with no external files |
| [23:45:01] | brad3: | there was before that comment.. i didn't know QHttp existed. i will go read up on it tonight. |
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| [23:45:05] | ** NightMonkey is presently an SD luddite with an SD sat subscription. ** | |
| [23:45:07] | wagnerrp: | $150 gets you a new microatx AMD/nvidia motherboard, midrange dual core processor, and 2GB of memory |
| [23:45:09] | brad3: | i will definitely check it out |
| [23:45:16] | wagnerrp: | plenty for a fe/be combo |
| [23:45:46] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Wow, I've been overspec'ing what I'd need to deal with HD. |
| [23:45:49] | wagnerrp: | if you need support for a machine with no HD inputs (VGA/DVI/HDMI), youll have to get a discrete video card, tack on another $25-$30 |
| [23:45:58] | iamlindoro: | brad3: cool-- AFAICT that's what you want-- there are very few reasons you would ever want to spawn external processes... usually just for grabber scripts, and that's only because you want to make a modular system that others can write scripts for |
| [23:46:01] | brad3: | on the settings front, i do have some settings, and i plan to use the db.. just haven't got around to it |
| [23:46:16] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: do you use VDPAU? |
| [23:46:26] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: sometimes, but not full time |
| [23:46:31] | dustybin: | ok |
| [23:46:34] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: it all depends on what you consider HD |
| [23:46:48] | brad3: | iamlindoro: speaking of that, i wanted to ask, will the internal player handle a mms://stream, or is that something i would have to write extra code for, if i wanted to not pass off to mplayer or xine? |
| [23:47:01] | wagnerrp: | ATSC/QAM stuff is decode-able by just about anything built in the last five years |
| [23:47:12] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Can't see a thing wrong with that output, I mean other than you're trying to punt db backups to /root which might not work depending on who's running the backend |
| [23:47:23] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: 1080i? |
| [23:47:24] | dustybin: | does QT 4 support the ability to make icons zoom in and out nice and smoothly? |
| [23:47:24] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR and bluray content is significantly more intensive, but can now be handled with hardware decoding in nvidia cards |
| [23:47:25] | iamlindoro: | brad3: Pretty sure it won't at the moment, though occasionally there is talk about making it handle streams like that better |
| [23:47:33] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Cool. It fits in, then! |
| [23:47:40] | brad3: | i thought so, but a guy can dream ;) |
| [23:47:44] | wagnerrp: | NightMonkey: its more a function of codec and bitrate than resolution |
| [23:47:54] | Dibblah: | You didn't even notice that the verbose output included the sql query responses? ;) |
| [23:48:00] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Qt is not our UI toolkit, so irrelevant |
| [23:48:09] | dustybin: | ohh |
| [23:48:38] | Dibblah: | However, it makes it easier to steal stuff from qt4... ;) |
| [23:49:18] | iamlindoro: | To answer the question you should have asked, no, MythUI does no animation or zooming outside of flipbook animation |
| [23:49:23] | iamlindoro: | yet |
| [23:49:58] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Honestly, I never look at the logs with that much verbosity. |
| [23:50:17] | dustybin: | my friend has a xbox 360, i like the ways the menus move smoothly and things zoom in and out |
| [23:50:42] | NightMonkey: | wagnerrp: Ah, yes, I see what you're getting at. For SD, I (and my SO) have been spoiled by the PVR-350's high fidelity. So, I'd look for high fidelity on the next HD-focused FE/BE, too. |
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| [23:50:45] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: The pre-patch myth output makes debugging a nightmare through a ticket. |
| [23:50:55] | Dibblah: | The response to a query is never logged. |
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| [23:51:11] | iamlindoro: | NightMonkey: the PVR-350's TV output is vastly inferior to even the cheapest of current graphics cards |
| [23:51:20] | Dibblah: | So you have to ask for a log, then an SQL dump of the relevant tables. |
| [23:51:22] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: For TV? |
| [23:51:25] | iamlindoro: | yes, for TV |
| [23:51:38] | sphery: | dustybin: that's because you haven't actually tried to /use/ the menus on the XBox 360. It's slow and annoying--the UI is way behind where you are. |
| [23:51:42] | dustybin: | graphite feels like iamlindoro is in my bedroom with me :D |
| [23:51:49] | iamlindoro: | I shudder to think |
| [23:52:05] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: I have total fidelity between my sat input and what's displayed via the PVR-350. (I'm doing s-video) |
| [23:52:17] | dustybin: | sphery: i didnt actually use it, i just liked the look of the smoothness of it |
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| [23:52:31] | iamlindoro: | Heh, not sure what "total fidelity" would be, but everything I've already said remains true |
| [23:52:39] | iamlindoro: | a modern GPU has much more capable TV output |
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| [23:54:25] | iamlindoro: | At the time of its release ~8 years ago, the PVR-350 was great-- but none of the devs have one and the code has been unmaintained for a while, so we're likely to pull the code soon |
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| [23:54:53] | iamlindoro: | especially as there's an X driver the user can use if they really want to go on using it, they don't need myth specific code for it |
| [23:55:10] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: In this case, fidelity = perfect copy of source, as seen on my 32" Sony WEGA TV. |
| [23:55:29] | iamlindoro: | NightMonkey: It's *not* a perfect copy of the source, though, it's a very lossy one |
| [23:55:46] | NightMonkey: | iamlindoro: I record at very high bitrates. |
| [23:55:58] | iamlindoro: | analog output from your STB, so quality loss there, then compression artifacts when then card encodes it, then another analog conversion on the way out |
| [23:56:14] | iamlindoro: | high bitrates don't eliminate the numerous D/A/D/A conversions, or compression artifacts |
| [23:56:28] | iamlindoro: | not all the compression artifacts, anyway |
| [23:56:51] | WattoDaToydarian: | I have a playback box that is only controlled with a remote and I am looking for a solution to playing video files from a dvd-r disc. Before .22 I was using autofs and mythvideo but now mythvideo doesn't see the autofs's folder. Can anyone recommend a solution that would work well? |
| [23:56:54] | iamlindoro: | as mentioned, you can probably go on capturing with it for a while, but the output would improve significantly with a modern GPU versus the PVR-350 tv-out |
| [23:58:37] | Dibblah: | Hrm. |
| [23:58:42] | Dagmar: | There are two reasons to use a PVR-350. |
| [23:58:43] | Dibblah: | I would disagree. |
| [23:58:49] | Dagmar: | 1. You only have ONE free PCI slot. |
| [23:58:50] | wagnerrp: | WattoDaToydarian: assuming you stuck with the old method of direct file access by the frontend in mythvideo |
| [23:58:59] | wagnerrp: | it will function exactly the same as the old mythvideo |
| [23:59:01] | Dagmar: | 2. If you do any more cutting your mom will ship you off to military schoo.. |
| [23:59:21] | Dibblah: | Interlaced -> deinterlaced -> scaled -> interlaced -> SVideo is _nasty_. |
| [23:59:35] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use transient media with autofs, you either have to rescan to get the new content, or you have to run in 'browse' mode |
| [23:59:36] | Dibblah: | Which is _all_ that modern cards can do. |
| [23:59:51] | WattoDaToydarian: | wagnerrp, you would think so but for some reason mythvideo won't show the autofs folder |
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