| Monday, November 9th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:19] | williammanda: | this is the error from the FE log: |
| [00:00:24] | williammanda: | 2009-11–07 18:24:04.882 RingBuf(myth://Videos@192.168.1.100:6543//var/lib/myt . . . os/Antz.VOB) Warning: Peek() requested 2048 bytes, but only returning 0 |
| [00:00:36] | williammanda: | 2009-11–07 18:24:04.882 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://Videos@192.168.1.100:6543//var/lib/mythtv/videos/Antz.VOB |
| [00:01:31] | iamlindoro: | You ran a version of Jamu on your videos that was broken. This has been fixed in both trunk and -fixes. You need to clear your metadata and reload it to get the files to play, and not run Jamu on them again until you have updated to current fixes |
| [00:02:48] | williammanda: | how do you run jamu? I don't remember ever running it. |
| [00:03:03] | iamlindoro: | If you are running mythbuntu, they apparently run it via cron by default |
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| [00:05:26] | mzb: | it's been a while since I've used mytharchive. Can't seem to get it to find my recordings (on a remote machine). |
| [00:05:54] | mzb: | tried NFS mounting them to make sure, but still don't appear to be winning |
| [00:06:12] | mzb: | is there a '-v' switch that can help me here? (or anything else?) |
| [00:07:39] | mzb: | "Either you don't have any recordings or no recordings are available locally!" |
| [00:08:00] | wagnerrp: | youve mounted them in the exact same path as the master? |
| [00:08:24] | williammanda: | To clear the metadata...goto video manager>select "I">metadata options>reset metadata..is this correct? |
| [00:09:01] | mzb: | doh ... missed a trailing number in the path .. thanks wagnerrp |
| [00:09:24] | iamlindoro: | williammanda: no, that won't reset the filename/host... you will need to move the files, scan, move them back, and rescan |
| [00:09:44] | iamlindoro: | williammanda: This is a disadvantage of mythbuntu having distributed a prerelease vrsion of .22 |
| [00:10:38] | iamlindoro: | williammanda: Hopefully they will catch up and push out a current/release copy of .22, but until they do, people with locally stored files, a video storage group defined, and Jamu running via cron are going to have their DB broken |
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| [00:11:57] | williammanda: | can I just rename the existing /var/lib/mythtv/videos folder to something else and create a new one? |
| [00:13:32] | iamlindoro: | you can rename the folder if you want, but you will need to scan afterwards to remove the offending records to fix this |
| [00:13:42] | williammanda: | ok ty |
| [00:14:05] | iamlindoro: | and then to be safe, need to remove the video SG if you are not using it, or simply update to a current version of .22, which contains a fixed copy of jamu |
| [00:15:38] | williammanda: | ty that worked perfectly |
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| [00:17:58] | mzb: | hmm: when running mythreplex = "replex version Myth-Internalmythreplex: unrecognized option '--fix_sync'" |
| [00:18:09] | iamlindoro: | williammanda: Just make sure you remove the Jamu cron job or the video storage group, otherwise it'll break your DB record again by morning |
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| [00:19:30] | mattsshack: | can someone point me to the how-to on starting mythfrontend with fluxbox? |
| [00:19:33] | mattsshack: | please |
| [00:19:44] | wagnerrp: | how do you start fluxbox? |
| [00:20:23] | mattsshack: | gnome-session |
| [00:20:44] | wagnerrp: | oh... so you cant just add another line in .xinitrc |
| [00:21:02] | mattsshack: | .xinitrc in the /home/mythtv dir? |
| [00:21:16] | wagnerrp: | that gets called if you run 'startx' |
| [00:21:21] | wagnerrp: | but not if youre using gdm |
| [00:21:29] | mattsshack: | ahh |
| [00:22:08] | mattsshack: | i just use gnome-session because gdm is so easy on auto login |
| [00:22:25] | mattsshack: | I am just doing what i know how to... :) |
| [00:23:15] | wagnerrp: | this is a mythtv-only box? |
| [00:23:22] | wagnerrp: | you boot into mythtv, and thats it? |
| [00:23:30] | mattsshack: | yes |
| [00:23:41] | mattsshack: | it a backend / frontend |
| [00:24:09] | wagnerrp: | create a ~/.xinitrc, just a basic script you want run when you start X |
| [00:24:09] | kizi: | i have one question... is it possible to disable all of that program info thingy in mythtv? |
| [00:24:19] | wagnerrp: | ending with 'exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend' |
| [00:24:44] | ** mzb rediscovers google and finds --fix_sync issues ** | |
| [00:24:53] | wagnerrp: | add a line to /etc/inittab like 'c8:2345:respawn/sbin/mingetty --autologin mythtv tty8' |
| [00:26:02] | kizi: | as i have an analog tv card, but there aint a program list for my country, for analog tv stations... |
| [00:26:05] | wagnerrp: | and add a couple lines in ~/.bash_profile |
| [00:26:10] | wagnerrp: | case "`tty`" in |
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| [00:26:20] | wagnerrp: | *tty8) startx; logout ;; |
| [00:26:22] | wagnerrp: | esac |
| [00:26:45] | kizi: | and i cant seem to start mythtv becuz there aint any program info for my channels... |
| [00:27:11] | wagnerrp: | you now have a terminal dedicated to mythtv, and if mythfrontend fails, it will be automatically started up again |
| [00:27:29] | wagnerrp: | kizi: did you run mythfilldatabase? |
| [00:27:43] | mattsshack: | c8:2345:respawn/sbin/mingetty --autologin mythtv tty8 (?) tty8 ? |
| [00:28:04] | mattsshack: | not question you :) just wondering why 8 |
| [00:28:19] | kizi: | wagnerrp, yes i did |
| [00:28:35] | ** mzb rebuilds mythtv on his workstation ** | |
| [00:28:44] | wagnerrp: | distros usually already have text terminals at 0–6 or 7 |
| [00:28:51] | wagnerrp: | whatever is your first free terminal is fine |
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| [00:31:13] | mattsshack: | ok brb :D |
| [00:31:21] | mattsshack: | time to try |
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| [00:37:57] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Thank you for adding the first bit of sane/relevant response to that ticket-- I was inches from locking it and will only do so if more stupidity ensues |
| [00:42:45] | mzb: | hmm, 27 deg C at 11:42am ... not sure if such a great day for rebuilding :| |
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| [00:44:31] | mzb: | make that 29.6 |
| [00:45:15] | kizi: | 29°C i wouæl |
| [00:45:22] | kizi: | i would kill for that temp now |
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| [00:45:50] | kizi: | as its just about freezing here |
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| [00:46:42] | kizi: | 00:45:59.143 TV Error: Failed to get recording show list | how to fix this error? |
| [00:47:48] | mzb: | I guess I prefer fairly hot to really cold, but my body (and computers) don't necessarily agree ;) |
| [00:48:21] | kizi: | hehe |
| [00:48:30] | mzb: | looks like it's only going to get worse unless a sea breeze comes in early: http://www.weatherzone.com.au/station.jsp?lt= . . . &list=ob |
| [00:48:42] | kizi: | most of the time i prefer the cold though |
| [00:48:55] | kizi: | but its nice sometimes to have hot weather |
| [00:49:30] | kizi: | well we have been lucky these past 2 summers... got 30°C on one day last summer |
| [00:49:43] | kizi: | (thats the highest temp ever recorded here :P ) |
| [00:50:15] | mzb: | gee |
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| [00:51:08] | mzb: | we're the "cold state" ... highest I remember was something like 37.6 |
| [00:51:10] | mattsshack: | I am back . Got it working! thank you! |
| [00:51:31] | mattsshack: | Now I am down to my last issue (lirc) :) |
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| [00:51:56] | mzb: | (recall seeing seeds pods drying on bushes and popping like crackers;) |
| [00:52:01] | mzb: | s/seed |
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| [00:52:30] | kizi: | mzb, well im almost exactly on the other side of the globe compared to u:P |
| [00:52:50] | kizi: | ( Iceland ) |
| [00:53:03] | mzb: | brr :) |
| [00:54:03] | kizi: | hehe |
| [00:54:17] | ** mzb remembers to make ice cubes for 4 yo (thanks for the reminder!) ** | |
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| [00:54:31] | kizi: | hehe |
| [00:55:04] | kizi: | but man this hellish problems with mythtv are making me crazy.. |
| [00:55:22] | kizi: | have been trying to get this to work for now 2 days |
| [00:56:16] | mattsshack: | kizi: I am with you |
| [00:56:24] | mattsshack: | kizi: been a crazy weekend |
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| [00:58:43] | RobfrHalifax: | Hi |
| [00:59:16] | mzb: | 2days? meh ... you've only had a taste :) |
| [00:59:48] | mattsshack: | I am having trouble with lirc on my pvr-150 |
| [00:59:50] | mattsshack: | uggg |
| [01:00:04] | mzb: | eg: I _now_ need to upgrade the MBE as well :| |
| [01:00:06] | mattsshack: | I am not sure how to troubleshoot it but irw does not work |
| [01:03:59] | RobfrHalifax: | I've installed MythDora, but the video hangs on startup (xorg.cong/driver issues I'm guessing). I've tried Ctrl-Atl bksp at the black screen, but nothing happens. Anything else I can try troubleshooting-wise? |
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| [01:05:21] | mzb: | RobertLaptop, start the frontend with -v all (or -v playback) and tail the logs (from a remote machine) |
| [01:05:42] | mzb: | not sure how the frontend is started with mythdora so either work it out or find an expert ;) |
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| [01:06:40] | RobfrHalifax: | As this point I have a black info screen with some info re: network card at the top. I don't have access to a command prompt... |
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| [01:07:32] | mzb: | doesn't give anyone a lot of info to help you |
| [01:07:49] | RobfrHalifax: | Let me try again. |
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| [01:08:38] | RobfrHalifax: | System boots, sstandard screen appears listing all of the services that are starting up (lots of [OK |
| [01:08:51] | RobfrHalifax: | ]'s |
| [01:09:00] | RobfrHalifax: | Screen goes black |
| [01:09:13] | RobfrHalifax: | Info on network card appears at the top |
| [01:09:43] | RobfrHalifax: | Network card info indicates a connection has been established |
| [01:10:25] | RobfrHalifax: | Then that's it. No hd activity. Black screen with the last info message at the top. |
| [01:12:30] | RobfrHalifax: | Ctrl alt del gracefully shuts the system down, services stop, etc |
| [01:12:48] | RobfrHalifax: | Is there any way to interrupt the boot process? |
| [01:13:25] | mzb: | err ... add a "1" to your kernel params when you boot |
| [01:14:01] | mzb: | you can do SysRq codes, but I don't recall how to do those (or if they're applicable) |
| [01:14:19] | RobfrHalifax: | np |
| [01:14:21] | mzb: | the "1" is the runlevel |
| [01:14:40] | RobfrHalifax: | I'll reinstall and try differwent video drivers |
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| [01:17:07] | mattsshack: | found my issue ... lirc_i2c is not loading at startup |
| [01:17:21] | mattsshack: | now I need to find out how to do that before lircd starts |
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| [01:32:14] | antgel: | have finally got my dvb-s card and hdmi audio working with mythtv \o/ |
| [01:34:46] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: np, a working patch should settle things down :) |
| [01:35:11] | ** mzb notes that update to head fixes sync issue with mythreplex ** | |
| [01:35:59] | antgel: | however, the dvb-s channel numbering is a mess. using freesat here in the uk. |
| [01:36:42] | antgel: | have noted solutions such as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Channel_Assignments &ndash ; is that the least clunky way? also, how come even though i clicked "free only" in the scan, it's picked up all kinds of crap? |
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| [01:42:43] | BlueCamel: | the Mythbuntu 9.10 + JYA repo update has been a fail |
| [01:43:02] | jya: | what does that mean a fail? |
| [01:43:11] | BlueCamel: | X keeps crashing during video playback. |
| [01:43:24] | jya: | and what's the cause ? |
| [01:43:34] | jya: | X just crashes? |
| [01:43:51] | BlueCamel: | Not sure? X crash is my current best guess for what I'm seeing. |
| [01:44:07] | BlueCamel: | watching pre-recorded show with vdpu normal profile at 1080i playback |
| [01:44:26] | BlueCamel: | ~10min screen goes blank or a solid freeze of video |
| [01:44:30] | jya: | i'm willing to bet that it has nothing to do with my repo ... if it crashes, you have another problems ... |
| [01:44:36] | jya: | what drivers are you using? |
| [01:44:37] | BlueCamel: | I agree |
| [01:45:07] | BlueCamel: | I'm going to install fresh 9.04 mythbuntu then update to your jya 0.22 |
| [01:45:20] | BlueCamel: | it was nvidia 1.90 from your repo |
| [01:45:28] | jya: | sounds like killing a mosquito with a bazooka |
| [01:45:38] | BlueCamel: | :) |
| [01:45:48] | wagnerrp: | 190... and why not just use mythbuntu 9.10? |
| [01:45:49] | jya: | if it crashes or hang ; you will have an error somewhere |
| [01:46:13] | jya: | wagnerrp: 9.10 only comes with 185.xx ; and mythtv requires 185.xx |
| [01:46:31] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [01:46:38] | BlueCamel: | mythfrontend log? Hmm, let me see if I can brin git up in single user mode and find some logs to pull off before i BAZOOKA it |
| [01:47:06] | jya: | check just dmesg to start with and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [01:47:30] | jya: | wagnerrp: so if you want to install other drivers than the one that ships ; it will automatically deinstall mythtv |
| [01:47:32] | jya: | a bit of a pain |
| [01:47:54] | jya: | especially as 185.18 is so unstable with vdpau ; so many complete lockup |
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| [01:52:32] | BlueCamel: | VDPAU error: display pre-empted. aBORTING PLAYBACK. |
| [01:52:38] | BlueCamel: | heh. |
| [01:52:48] | BlueCamel: | those caps weren't right :) |
| [01:55:59] | antgel: | i'm considering adding a second backend to my system, for DVB-T (my existing backend is DVB-S). would i install another xmltv grabber to run on the other backend for the DVB-T channels? |
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| [02:03:09] | BlueCamel: | k. tared up /var/log for later review and dpkg-l. |
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| [02:12:38] | BlueCamel: | so, doesn't look like an X crash. |
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| [02:12:46] | BlueCamel: | some some type of vdpau fail |
| [02:13:18] | BlueCamel: | on the 9.04 + 1.90 + jya 0.22-fixes load if it happens again I'll get verbose logging |
| [02:14:10] | wagnerrp: | 190 |
| [02:14:13] | jya: | BlueCamel: a display pre-empted is a nvidia driver error ; but it shouldn't lockup your X and default to software playback |
| [02:15:23] | BlueCamel: | the log indicates it tried to restart, you're right |
| [02:15:56] | BlueCamel: | however, there were multiple AVSync errors that also aborted playback followed by a second pre-empted error |
| [02:16:49] | BlueCamel: | I didn't give it more than ~30 to 40 seconds before I killed it |
| [02:16:51] | jya: | still no reason to crash X |
| [02:17:12] | jya: | hold a sec; is your X crashing, or just that mythtv is waiting ? |
| [02:17:15] | BlueCamel: | not seeing anything in Xorg.0.log to indicate it was an X crash |
| [02:17:31] | BlueCamel: | so I think this was just the video layer within Myth that coudln't recover |
| [02:17:57] | wagnerrp: | the 'myth is waiting' thing is some sort of race condition in the UI code isnt it? |
| [02:17:59] | jstgtpaid: | I am new to mythtv. I setup a backend server w/a 1212 capture device. Everything seems fine, but when I go to watch live tv it says please wait then returns to the menu. Any ideas where I can start trouble shooting? |
| [02:18:21] | wagnerrp: | jstgtpaid: mythtv is failing to record |
| [02:18:27] | wagnerrp: | either the device is not set up properly |
| [02:18:42] | wagnerrp: | or you have file permissions issues on the recording device, or on the storage directory |
| [02:18:48] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs for more information |
| [02:19:01] | jya: | So why call it a X crash when it clearly isn't? it's not hard to check |
| [02:19:01] | jstgtpaid: | cool... where are those logs located? |
| [02:19:10] | wagnerrp: | try /var/log/mythtv |
| [02:19:16] | jstgtpaid: | thanks |
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| [02:21:04] | BlueCamel: | <BlueCamel> Not sure? X crash is my current best guess for what I'm |
| [02:21:05] | BlueCamel: | seeing. |
| [02:21:13] | BlueCamel: | ^^ it was my first guess pre-log review :) |
| [02:21:28] | BlueCamel: | ESC wouldn't exit video playback in that state |
| [02:21:46] | BlueCamel: | it was like a non-responsive box, though I didn't try ssh. |
| [02:22:28] | BlueCamel: | still could be an interaction between X in Karmic + 190 nvidia |
| [02:22:36] | BlueCamel: | *shrug* not sure. |
| [02:26:04] | jstgtpaid: | You are right wagnerrp... I don't think I have it setup right... Mythbuntu put in an include file for my lircd.conf that points to a dish lirc file. But I get the following error |
| [02:26:07] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 20:38:31.091 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [02:26:07] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 20:38:31.346 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument |
| [02:26:07] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 20:38:31.397 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 3. Reverting to kState_None |
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| [02:31:49] | jstgtpaid: | Do I need to run mythfilldatabase everytime I go into the backend configuration and change something |
| [02:32:16] | [R]: | no |
| [02:32:25] | jstgtpaid: | tks |
| [02:32:26] | [R]: | unless you change somethign dealing with yoru sources |
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| [02:39:39] | jstgtpaid: | I get a permissions in my log when I try to watch tv (new install). What permissions should be set on the /etc/lirc/lircd.conf file? What user does mythtv run as? I am using mythbuntu. |
| [02:40:25] | mzb: | ok, managed to get mythburn working nicely, but the result is a DVD with colours as purple/pink ! |
| [02:41:04] | mzb: | s/mytharchive |
| [02:41:21] | squidly: | mzb: never really had a probelm with mytharchive |
| [02:41:43] | [R]: | jstgtpaid: what? |
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| [02:43:05] | mzb: | squidly, I've never had one like this before |
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| [02:43:16] | jstgtpaid: | R: sorry... When I try to watch tv it fails and goes back to menu. When I check /var/logs/mythtv/mythbackend.log I see a permissions error with the lircd.conf file |
| [02:43:35] | wagnerrp: | jstgtpaid: lircd.conf is the remote control, unnecessary for operation of mythtv |
| [02:43:56] | [R]: | jstgtpaid: a "permissions error" you say? |
| [02:44:47] | jstgtpaid: | Yes... permission denied. Here is the error messages... |
| [02:44:49] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:25.495 TVRec(1): Changing from None to Watching WatchingLiveTV |
| [02:44:49] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:25.565 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [02:44:49] | jstgtpaid: | sh: /etc/lirc/lircd.conf: Permission denied |
| [02:44:49] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:26.006 ret_pid(4615) child(4615) status(0x7e00) |
| [02:44:49] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:26.070 ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 126 |
| [02:44:50] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:26.125 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 3. Reverting to kState_None |
| [02:44:52] | jstgtpaid: | 2009-11–08 21:33:26.182 TVRec(1): Changing from Watching WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [02:45:04] | [R]: | jstgtpaid: not to flood this channel, thanks |
| [02:45:13] | [R]: | jstgtpaid: looks like you have a channel change script that doesnt work |
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| [02:47:11] | jstgtpaid: | sorry about the 'flood' mythbuntu picked that lirc file and it appears to be a dish file (which is my sat provider) However, the error seems to indicate that it can't connect to the file for a permissions reason... |
| [02:47:25] | Led-Hed: | Any recomendations for a good & inexpensive OTA HDTV Capture Card? |
| [02:48:03] | [R]: | jstgtpaid: i just tolod you exactly what is wrong... |
| [02:48:28] | jstgtpaid: | ok... I will look for another file... tks |
| [02:48:50] | [R]: | Led-Hed: linuxtv.org has cards that work... anything that you can find that does atsc and is listed on that site will work |
| [02:49:10] | Led-Hed: | [R], ok, thanks |
| [02:49:14] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: the only 'HDTV Capture Card' supported by mythtv is the HDPVR |
| [02:49:19] | wagnerrp: | youre probably looking for a digital tuner |
| [02:49:26] | wagnerrp: | digital != HD |
| [02:49:29] | wagnerrp: | tuner != capture card |
| [02:50:05] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, I just installed an outdoor medium/long range antenna |
| [02:50:14] | Led-Hed: | sorry |
| [02:50:17] | Led-Hed: | you are correct |
| [02:50:35] | Led-Hed: | I need a tunner |
| [02:50:44] | wagnerrp: | no problem, just being a bit pedantic |
| [02:51:49] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, any recommendations on an ATSC Tunner? |
| [02:52:16] | Led-Hed: | HD Homerun looks cool. but seems like a lot of extra network traffic |
| [02:52:27] | wagnerrp: | ive got a HVR-1250 and a HDHR, both work great |
| [02:52:37] | wagnerrp: | the 800i is supposedly a good card, if you can find one on sale |
| [02:53:02] | wagnerrp: | theyre not commonly available anymore, and are generally ~$70 (up from the sale price of $25) |
| [02:53:17] | [R]: | Led-Hed: so get a 2nd nic and hook it up with a crossover... |
| [02:53:42] | Led-Hed: | [R], thought about that, but I'm almost out of slots |
| [02:53:45] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about a maximum of 38mbps for the HDHR |
| [02:53:56] | Led-Hed: | I know |
| [02:54:13] | Dave123: | hi all, is there a place where I can see all the icons where the Channel Editor pulls from? |
| [02:54:35] | [R]: | Dave123: where it downloads it to or from? |
| [02:54:56] | Dave123: | from |
| [02:55:01] | [R]: | it uses lyngsat i think |
| [02:55:05] | Dave123: | ok |
| [02:55:20] | Dave123: | where does it download to? |
| [02:55:28] | [R]: | ~/.mythtv |
| [02:55:52] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, the HVR-1250, is the NTSC part of the card hardware mpeg or just frame grabber? |
| [02:56:00] | Dave123: | ok cool, i'd like to change several of the icons but do not know what they are called |
| [02:56:20] | [R]: | well the full path is in the editor and the db |
| [02:56:32] | wagnerrp: | framegrabber, and non-functional under linux |
| [02:56:37] | Dave123: | yes but i do not know what to edit it to |
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| [02:57:52] | [R]: | a diffetnet file...? |
| [02:58:03] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, is the HVR-1600 (HW MPEG) supported? |
| [02:58:19] | mzb: | hmm ... maybe I've been screwing with the video settings ... input file looks purple (now) |
| [02:58:21] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:58:26] | Led-Hed: | cool |
| [02:58:32] | Led-Hed: | thanks |
| [02:58:48] | elmojo: | anyone recommend a certain usb-stick ATSC/QAM tuner? |
| [02:59:00] | Dave123: | ok maybe im asking the wrong question. in 0.22, how do i get it to show alternate icons for channels that I can search for? I can do it for ones with missing icons by default |
| [02:59:10] | elmojo: | thinking about the Hauppauge 950Q |
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| [03:02:37] | Led-Hed: | thanks wagnerrp & [R]. later |
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| [03:03:39] | robbiet480: | hi there, i have looked through docs and the mailing list for hours and cant figure this problem out. i just started using mythtv today with a DCH3416 (comcast). i was just using it to setup everything for the box that was gonna replace it a DCH3200. i replaced the box and i lost all video and audio. i have tried manually adding in vendor and model id's to 6200ch.c and removing/readding inputs and basically every and anythin |
| [03:03:39] | robbiet480: | could find. i have logs available of course and are ready to try anything to get this to work again! thanks! |
| [03:04:06] | kormoc: | Are you sure the 3200's port is active? |
| [03:04:16] | robbiet480: | yes i confirmed on both ends |
| [03:04:27] | robbiet480: | in the diagnostic GUI on the STB and plugreport |
| [03:05:04] | dashcloud_: | elmojo: I've had good luck with the HVR-950q (ATSC/QAM usb tuner)- you just need to download the appropriate firmware for it |
| [03:05:38] | wagnerrp: | and you have to not mind having a big stick hanging off the side of your computer |
| [03:05:41] | bobbies: | what is the command to run myth with output to the command line, I'm trying to find out why I cannot watch livetv |
| [03:05:55] | wagnerrp: | 'mythbackend', 'mythfrontend' |
| [03:06:58] | bobbies: | wagnerrp: um I mean like error reporting that will help me figure out why I cannot watch live tv |
| [03:07:22] | robbiet480: | brb quickly |
| [03:07:23] | robbiet480: | sorry |
| [03:07:24] | wagnerrp: | '-v list' |
| [03:07:31] | bobbies: | thanks |
| [03:08:03] | bobbies: | unknown argument for -v |
| [03:08:11] | wagnerrp: | '-v help'? |
| [03:09:37] | bobbies: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [03:11:35] | elmojo: | dashcloud_: thanks for the info – I'm definitely leaning toward that one now |
| [03:12:00] | robbiet480: | back |
| [03:12:02] | bobbies: | Does this error output mean anything to anyone? When I try to watch Live TV myth .22 tries to launch livetv then kicks back to the main menu http://pastebin.com/m7d75d926 |
| [03:12:09] | robbiet480: | kormoc: you think you might be able to help |
| [03:13:07] | robbiet480: | or anyone |
| [03:13:15] | robbiet480: | could you help me fix my issues w/ a DCH3200 |
| [03:13:43] | Wicked: | hmm browsing the channel guide is insanely slow...i hit up or down and it takes about 1–2 mins to move one spot |
| [03:14:09] | Wicked: | and i see lots of "2009-11–08 22:13:47.785 Failed to save to /home/mike/.mythtv/channels/espn.jpg" in the output from mythfrontend |
| [03:15:49] | robbiet480: | anyone think it would be good to totally start from scratch |
| [03:15:55] | robbiet480: | and in fact just use the svn version |
| [03:16:17] | sphery: | Wicked: put the channel icons on your backend and make sure it has permission to them |
| [03:16:35] | Wicked: | hmm how exactly would i do that? |
| [03:16:58] | sphery: | you can use channel_icons.pl to download the icons |
| [03:17:04] | sphery: | in contrib |
| [03:17:21] | Wicked: | hmm. but where do they go on the backend? this is the back/front end |
| [03:17:28] | sphery: | same exact place |
| [03:17:31] | wagnerrp: | frontend only |
| [03:17:36] | sphery: | /home/mike/.mythtv/channels/espn.jpg |
| [03:17:50] | wagnerrp: | the frontend wont grab them from the backend will they? |
| [03:18:08] | sphery: | now the backend sends them out to frontends which cache them locally |
| [03:18:16] | Wicked: | hmm. wonder why it isnt doing it. im running mythfrontend as mike... |
| [03:18:50] | wagnerrp: | the other mike must be psychic |
| [03:18:53] | sphery: | the problem on a combined frontend/backend is that the icons that exist at that location were downloaded by mythfilldatabase (likely running under mythbackend) as the backend user and the frontend user doesn't have permission |
| [03:19:25] | sphery: | so the frontend requests the image, gets it from the backend, tries to save it, but the backend's copy exists there (and the frontend can't use it), so it errors and doesn't work |
| [03:19:47] | Wicked: | the folder its trying to save to is empty. the /home/mike/.mythtv/channels |
| [03:19:52] | sphery: | needs to be readable by the user running the backend and the frontend |
| [03:20:09] | sphery: | and all directories in the path leading up to it must be executable by both users |
| [03:20:43] | sphery: | so that means the backend user tried to save it as a result of running mythfilldatabase, but couldn't, but it's still in the db, so it causes problems |
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| [03:20:54] | robbiet480_: | whoops sorry |
| [03:21:04] | Wicked: | hm so wht would be the best way to do this? use that perl script to download them to /home/mike/.mythtv/channels/ ? |
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| [03:21:26] | robbiet480: | so could someone help me or not? |
| [03:21:34] | robbiet480: | DCH3200, having issues, wont connect video/audio |
| [03:21:45] | sphery: | Wicked: yeah, and verify permissions to make sure both frontend and backend can access the files |
| [03:22:10] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure the icon downloading in setup has issues (and crashes) |
| [03:22:18] | sphery: | so the perl script is probably best |
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| [03:23:55] | Wicked: | ok. cool running that script now |
| [03:23:56] | Wicked: | thanks |
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| [03:26:50] | DjMadness_: | I seam to be having troubles, DVB-C tv often gets garbled picture (some of it does not encode) and durring that often i get some sort of squeek noise. the only thing i think can be relevant is http://pastebin.ca/1662923 due to when i am playing the same channel in mplayer there is no problem at all |
| [03:28:27] | kusznir: | Hi all: I have a myth .21 + vdpau patches install, and its segfaulting on vdpau playback of recorded programming (but plays liveTV content just fine) |
| [03:28:55] | kusznir: | Is there any fix? (I run LinHES, and presently, it looks like .22 is not a viable option) |
| [03:29:44] | sphery: | 0.22 is viable on other distros :) |
| [03:29:48] | DjMadness_: | kusznir: have you tried with the latest version 0.22 ? |
| [03:29:49] | robbiet480: | arghhh |
| [03:29:53] | robbiet480: | no one can help me |
| [03:29:56] | robbiet480: | with a DCH3200 |
| [03:29:58] | robbiet480: | that cant connect |
| [03:30:04] | kusznir: | I have not tried with 0.22 yet. |
| [03:30:46] | DjMadness_: | kusznir: it can be downloaded from the mythtv website, compilation is quite simple. or you could find a binary for your distribution. |
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| [03:31:04] | Wicked: | hmm when running that perl script it only found 14 icons....i think it thinks it has icons already |
| [03:32:10] | bobbies: | Does anyone have any idea why I cannot watc live tv? I can set recordings via mythweb and watch recordings but I cannot watch livetv |
| [03:32:59] | DjMadness_: | bobbies: are you currently recording ? |
| [03:33:40] | bobbies: | DjMadness_: No but e me double check |
| [03:34:10] | DjMadness_: | bobbies: also check the mythtv log both for the client and the backend... |
| [03:34:17] | sphery: | Wicked: any channels for which you have no icon must have the icon path set to none |
| [03:34:25] | bobbies: | No not recording anything right now |
| [03:34:47] | bobbies: | Are the logs in /var/log? |
| [03:35:11] | DjMadness_: | bobbies: the backend is in /var/log/mythtv and frontend is just enough to run it from a console |
| [03:37:37] | Wicked: | hmm. |
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| [03:38:07] | BlueCamel: | when exiting mythfrontend I get "Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit" |
| [03:38:15] | BlueCamel: | Anything seen before or to care about? |
| [03:38:58] | sphery: | Wicked: btw, the location the icon needs to be in is the one that's in the DB... It might not be /home/mike/.mythtv/channels--if your backend and frontend run in environments with different HOME directories |
| [03:39:21] | iamlindoro: | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/09/03522 . . . 022-Released |
| [03:39:25] | iamlindoro: | finally hit /. |
| [03:39:26] | Wicked: | sphery, hmm crap. how can i find out where they need to be? |
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| [03:39:48] | sphery: | the script will update the db location... |
| [03:40:17] | bobbies: | what permissions does my Livetv directory need? Apparently I don't have permissions to write to the directory. Even though the users running myth owns the directory |
| [03:40:21] | Wicked: | ok cool |
| [03:40:25] | sphery: | my recommendation is to make a dir that's /not/ in a home dir and specify it--so, like /srv/mythtv/channel_icons/ or /var/lib/mythtv/channel_icons or whatever (i.e. alongside your recordings dirs) |
| [03:40:39] | Wicked: | ah |
| [03:40:40] | sphery: | Wicked: you'll need to put in an arg to specify the directory |
| [03:40:41] | Wicked: | good idea |
| [03:40:45] | Wicked: | yea |
| [03:40:46] | sphery: | use --help to find the arg |
| [03:41:00] | robbiet480: | DCH3200 help please? anyone? im desperate! |
| [03:41:05] | Wicked: | yea. thanks. i was looking through there earlier |
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| [03:44:14] | DjMadness_: | bobbies: the user mythtv is running as (probally mythtv if default) example chown -R mythtv:users /mnt/data/ && chmod -R 750 /mnt/data change with your own dirs, and its probally safer to use other permissions but those will work |
| [03:44:30] | DjMadness_: | great.... some just are not patient enough |
| [03:47:31] | Wicked: | hmm weird i restarted it using a diff icon folder...and it worked for a few icons..its now erroring out |
| [03:47:41] | Wicked: | Use of uninitialized value $data in pattern match (m//) at channel_icons.pl line 387, <STDIN> line 1. |
| [03:47:46] | Wicked: | its also going way way slower now |
| [03:48:54] | sphery: | well, until you get all the icons specified in the db to match up with the ones on disk (meaning any nonexistent ones marked none), it will be slow |
| [03:49:54] | Wicked: | well before it was flying along getting icons and it would occasionally ask me for input...but now when it asks for input..its taking ~1–2 mins to process my input |
| [03:50:27] | Wicked: | or it will say "Found unrecognized channel:...." and hang for 1–2 mins before displaying the results |
| [03:50:41] | sphery: | oh, the script is slow... don't know why that is |
| [03:51:15] | Wicked: | yea. its weird. it was working fine...now its slow and it errored out finding a icon it had previously found |
| [03:51:52] | Wicked: | now it found it after rerunning the script |
| [03:52:01] | Wicked: | idk maby the website it gets data from is slow |
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| [03:55:55] | Wicked: | this is now gonna take hours at this rate...its been 4+ mins since it said it found a unrecognized channel...but it has not displayed anything to me...and it does this for every music channel....there like 30+ channels |
| [03:56:34] | kormoc: | Wicked: website just got slashdotted, wait a few hours/days |
| [03:56:58] | Wicked: | the icons are hosted on mythtv.org? |
| [03:57:10] | kormoc: | the webservice to map the info to the icons is |
| [03:57:11] | iamlindoro: | no, but the index of them is |
| [03:57:28] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [03:57:31] | Wicked: | makes sense now |
| [03:57:34] | DjMadness_: | anyone here from denmark using xmltv ? if so witch grabber are you using ? |
| [03:57:51] | kormoc: | Witch?!?! BURN THEM! |
| [03:58:14] | iamlindoro: | I use a witch grabber to grab them pre burning |
| [03:58:56] | kormoc: | Explains the random black cats that follow you around |
| [03:59:22] | DjMadness_: | ok sorry, wich... i suck at spelling... |
| [04:00:03] | kormoc: | %s/wich/which/ |
| [04:01:04] | iamlindoro: | I personally haul them in on a winch |
| [04:01:30] | iamlindoro: | a winch which I made from a wicked witch |
| [04:01:41] | mangus580: | so I am confused.... |
| [04:01:50] | mangus580: | I have set my 'video' directory in the setup on my frontend |
| [04:01:54] | mangus580: | and yet no videos show up |
| [04:02:11] | kormoc: | and you haven't read the docs |
| [04:02:23] | mangus580: | oh boy, here we go again |
| [04:02:28] | sphery: | kormoc: ah... 2+2... I didn't think of that. |
| [04:02:53] | iamlindoro: | mangus580: Did you scan for videos? Have you read the .22 transition guide? |
| [04:03:03] | sphery: | (didn't put together the slash-dotty-website-slowness and the slow script) |
| [04:03:16] | mangus580: | I have not seen the transition guid, no |
| [04:03:34] | mangus580: | and I just found the scan now that you mentioned it |
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| [04:18:46] | sphery: | mangus580: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide (and for now--with the heavy slash-dotting, you might want to just search Google for it and use the cached version) |
| [04:22:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv post on slashdot? |
| [04:22:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [04:22:58] | wagnerrp: | cue the 'why doesnt eveyone just use xbmc/boxee' posts... |
| [04:23:33] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:23:35] | k-man: | yeah, the mythtv site seems to be struggling with the load |
| [04:23:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, yeah |
| [04:23:49] | k-man: | i tried boxee – it was crap |
| [04:23:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: "Not trying to create flamebait, But honestly does anyone still use it. Everyone I know has ditched it (including the die hard fans that put me onto it in the first place) due to the hideous complexities in keeping the damn thing running and the endless complaints from "she who must be obeyed" because MythTV box has once again died in the arse during her favourite POS drama show. personally I use XBMC now." |
| [04:24:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: A response to that is: "Given XBMC is not a DVR, and MythTV is, yes, those of us who don't steal our content still use MythTV." |
| [04:24:34] | iamlindoro: | funny how my mythbox never ever ever crashes and I track trunk... hmmmm |
| [04:25:07] | wagnerrp: | my frontend crashes occasionally |
| [04:25:12] | k-man: | iamlindoro: i use .21 fixes and its pretty damn stable – in years past i did have problems with the backend dying from time to time, but recently i never have a problem |
| [04:25:19] | wagnerrp: | plus im getting hit with that UI 'waiting' bug currently |
| [04:25:29] | wagnerrp: | but i cant recall the last time my backend crashed |
| [04:25:37] | iamlindoro: | k-man: Backend death is almost invariably a user-caused issue |
| [04:25:39] | k-man: | wagnerrp: whats the ui waiting bug? |
| [04:25:54] | wagnerrp: | you exit playback, and it gets caught in that loading page |
| [04:26:08] | iamlindoro: | That's not to say that we couldn't do better to avoid it, but a properly set up backend is practically uncrashable |
| [04:26:10] | wagnerrp: | some kind of race condition or other |
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| [04:26:13] | k-man: | iamlindoro: i think it was caused by poor DVB-t signal (no confirmation on that, just gut feeling) but since i moved and got a better tuner, its been really stable |
| [04:26:24] | iamlindoro: | k-man: Glad to hear it's working well of late |
| [04:26:56] | k-man: | mythmusic does crash come to think of it |
| [04:27:17] | k-man: | i used to have scripts to restart the backend in case of a crash, but that is no logner necessary, but i still need it for the frontend |
| [04:27:23] | k-man: | due to mythmusic |
| [04:28:21] | wagnerrp: | ive got my frontend hardwired to a terminal, so the system automatically restarts X in the even of a crash |
| [04:28:39] | k-man: | wagnerrp: thats an interesting approach |
| [04:28:50] | kormoc: | same here |
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| [04:29:08] | k-man: | i found i didn't like that approach because if something breaks the frontend for some reason, you get into this loop of x and mythtv trying to restart all the time |
| [04:29:33] | kormoc: | your init should detect and rate limit it |
| [04:29:39] | wagnerrp: | one line in inittab, a couple lines in .bash_profile, and a .xinitrc |
| [04:29:58] | wagnerrp: | every so often i break something that causes such a loop |
| [04:29:59] | k-man: | what wm do you use? |
| [04:30:11] | wagnerrp: | init automatically terminates the terminal after 10 tries or so |
| [04:30:13] | k-man: | wagnerrp: how do you deal with that? |
| [04:30:19] | k-man: | ok |
| [04:30:22] | kormoc: | I use evilwm now-a-days |
| [04:30:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont, system does automatically |
| [04:30:46] | wagnerrp: | ive been having some issue with evilwm, where it doesnt terminate when X goes down |
| [04:31:06] | wagnerrp: | might have to do with the server coming back up so quickly |
| [04:31:20] | wagnerrp: | but it gets caught doing something, and goes to full CPU |
| [04:32:26] | k-man: | i noticed a comment in the theme competition about target feature freeze date for .23 is feb? that seems quite soon |
| [04:32:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:32:55] | wagnerrp: | the 0.23 cycle is not expected to be long |
| [04:32:56] | k-man: | why is that? |
| [04:33:16] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 had the qt4 migration, and the UI rewrite |
| [04:33:22] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 is going to be primarily tweeks |
| [04:33:26] | k-man: | ok |
| [04:33:32] | wagnerrp: | adding a couple UI widgets, some animation |
| [04:33:33] | k-man: | .22 was setting up the new groundwork |
| [04:33:34] | k-man: | ? |
| [04:33:40] | wagnerrp: | updating various plugins for the new UI |
| [04:33:48] | k-man: | ah, ok |
| [04:34:53] | wagnerrp: | consider 0.22 was something like 7500 commits |
| [04:35:00] | k-man: | right, thats big |
| [04:35:05] | wagnerrp: | out of less than 23000 total |
| [04:35:20] | k-man: | that's an interesting stat |
| [04:39:54] | iamlindoro: | Slashdot users should go mod up the few sensible comments in that thread :) |
| [04:40:00] | iamlindoro: | (I've never had a login) |
| [04:40:21] | wagnerrp: | ive got no mod points |
| [04:42:03] | wagnerrp: | you know, i almost always had mod points for most of a year |
| [04:42:09] | wagnerrp: | but its been several months since ive had any |
| [04:45:14] | robbiet480: | hey i got a kinda bit of static at the top of the screen somtimes. i dont really know how to explain it lol |
| [04:45:32] | robbiet480: | it comes and goes |
| [04:46:38] | wagnerrp: | in the video? or in the UI? |
| [04:47:58] | robbiet480: | video |
| [04:48:10] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
| [04:48:19] | robbiet480: | digital |
| [04:48:21] | robbiet480: | firewire |
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| [04:48:46] | wagnerrp: | then its your cable-co's problem |
| [04:48:57] | robbiet480: | wagnerrp: i didnt have this with their DVR before |
| [04:49:12] | wagnerrp: | it is *very* unlikely you are getting data loss between the STB and your computer |
| [04:49:16] | iamlindoro: | It's VBI |
| [04:49:27] | iamlindoro: | nobody's fault, and not a bug |
| [04:49:35] | robbiet480: | iamlindoro: what? |
| [04:49:46] | wagnerrp: | arguably... its your cable co's fault |
| [04:49:47] | iamlindoro: | Vertical Blanking Interval... Closed Caption |
| [04:49:52] | robbiet480: | oh |
| [04:49:58] | robbiet480: | anyway to fix it |
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| [04:50:06] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't appear in your STB because they overscan it to make it invisible |
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| [04:50:11] | wagnerrp: | VBI, its additional data transmitted in the overscan area of a analog signal |
| [04:50:12] | iamlindoro: | so the solution is to do the same in Myth |
| [04:50:16] | robbiet480: | iamlindoro: ah |
| [04:50:27] | iamlindoro: | Go to the playback options and set it to scale video playback up by 1–2% |
| [04:50:32] | wagnerrp: | the fact that they are transmitting such a signal digitally is crap |
| [04:50:32] | robbiet480: | *going* |
| [04:50:42] | robbiet480: | wagnerrp: it is a comcrap signal :D |
| [04:50:48] | wagnerrp: | there are other, better mechanisms available |
| [04:51:11] | robbiet480: | iamlindoro: wheres playback options/ |
| [04:51:20] | robbiet480: | whoops |
| [04:51:22] | robbiet480: | nevermind |
| [04:51:58] | robbiet480: | iamlindoro: im at where i think i need to be |
| [04:52:00] | robbiet480: | 4 options |
| [04:52:07] | robbiet480: | vertical/horiz scaling |
| [04:52:09] | robbiet480: | scan displacement x/y |
| [04:52:18] | robbiet480: | is that right? |
| [04:52:28] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that is the correct spot |
| [04:52:42] | robbiet480: | ok |
| [04:52:54] | robbiet480: | change both vertical/horiz scaling to 1? |
| [04:53:08] | iamlindoro: | Don't make me hand hold you :) |
| [04:53:14] | iamlindoro: | try something, adjust, try something |
| [04:53:14] | robbiet480: | lol |
| [04:53:16] | robbiet480: | allright |
| [04:55:28] | robbiet480: | ok |
| [04:55:29] | robbiet480: | next question |
| [04:55:39] | robbiet480: | oh wait nevermind answerd it myself |
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| [05:08:09] | robbiet480: | allright so |
| [05:08:12] | robbiet480: | heres the next question i got |
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| [05:08:32] | robbiet480: | it looks like im having interlace issues because i have somewhat wavy lines on my picture |
| [05:09:36] | robbiet480: | wow and now the whole picture is shaking |
| [05:14:45] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: from reading the Slashdot article it seems people would love MythTV if all configuration options were removed :) |
| [05:15:02] | iamlindoro: | The Ford Model T of PVRs! |
| [05:15:15] | iamlindoro: | You can hve any color you want, as long as it's black |
| [05:16:01] | robbiet480: | hey so |
| [05:16:11] | robbiet480: | iamlindoro: can you help me with my whole picture being shaky by any chance? |
| [05:16:13] | robbiet480: | i just googled |
| [05:16:15] | robbiet480: | couldnt find it |
| [05:16:21] | iamlindoro: | Change your deinterlacer |
| [05:16:30] | robbiet480: | ah |
| [05:16:30] | iamlindoro: | Playback profiles |
| [05:16:36] | iamlindoro: | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1436 . . . cid=30028708 |
| [05:16:39] | robbiet480: | allright |
| [05:16:44] | iamlindoro: | Someone mod up the response to that |
| [05:16:48] | iamlindoro: | the second response |
| [05:17:05] | iamlindoro: | The one that says the myth devs are cool guys and sexy ;) |
| [05:17:47] | wagnerrp: | its them hawt legs from all that running |
| [05:21:34] | iamlindoro: | and biking and swimming! |
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| [05:27:57] | Essobi: | .... |
| [05:28:58] | wagnerrp: | damnit jim, this is irc, not pacman |
| [05:30:11] | Essobi: | hehehe.. good one. |
| [05:32:50] | sid3windr: | aww :( |
| [05:32:53] | sid3windr: | you guys made a release |
| [05:33:04] | sid3windr: | now will I have horrible pain in upgrading? :> |
| [05:33:25] | iamlindoro: | If all goes according to plan, yes |
| [05:33:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, they want to cause you pain |
| [05:33:49] | wagnerrp: | those meddling devs... |
| [05:33:54] | kormoc: | You'll have to sacrifice a goat to the great penguin in the sky |
| [05:36:29] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [05:37:47] | purserj: | or at least manage the change to minimise the affect on the WAF |
| [05:37:51] | Essobi: | g'damned sky penguins. |
| [05:38:54] | kormoc: | Language... |
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| [06:40:12] | defecatn: | hi. can anyone maybe tell me where i may be going wrong with mysql? I have a ubuntu 9.10 system. I commented out bind address in my.cnf. did grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; in mysql and no dice |
| [06:40:22] | defecatn: | I can't connect from any front end on the network |
| [06:40:46] | [R]: | what happens when you try to use the mysql program |
| [06:41:42] | defecatn: | you mean on the server? |
| [06:42:05] | [R]: | well seeing as the frontend is the one having trouble connecting... |
| [06:43:16] | oobe: | maybe you are using a firewall too ? |
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| [06:43:35] | oobe: | sudo iptables -L |
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| [06:43:46] | defecatn: | okay might have the wrong pw |
| [06:43:51] | defecatn: | let me try it |
| [06:43:58] | defecatn: | i guess ubuntu auto generates some random one |
| [06:44:04] | defecatn: | i'm use to mythtv/mythtv |
| [06:44:58] | oobe: | it does indeed generate a random password |
| [06:45:12] | defecatn: | didn't do it remotely |
| [06:45:17] | oobe: | you can find it out by check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt on the backend machine |
| [06:45:42] | oobe: | also you can reset it by typing sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common |
| [06:46:46] | defecatn: | how do you enable networking connections with mysql? is it as simple as allowing the ports and commenting out bind-address in my.cfg? |
| [06:48:53] | oobe: | http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/77173 |
| [06:49:51] | oobe: | defecatn, i dont know what i do is use mythbuntu-control-centre then check enable mysql over ethernet |
| [06:52:21] | defecatn: | i wish i had that option:( |
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| [07:07:34] | portablejim: | Can anyone help me with stopping my tv picture from skipping. I have a quad core system (Ubuntu 9.04, 64-bit) and have set the files to be saved in /dev/shm and the profile to CPU++. |
| [07:08:18] | wagnerrp: | youre recording to /dev/shm? |
| [07:09:39] | portablejim: | yes. since one possible cause was a slow hard disk (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Pr . . . #I.2FO_Wait) |
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| [07:09:55] | wagnerrp: | no, no possible cause was a slow hard disk |
| [07:10:02] | wagnerrp: | consider the bandwidths youre talking about |
| [07:10:22] | wagnerrp: | the MOST you will ever record is something like 3MB/s |
| [07:10:33] | portablejim: | well filesystem anyway. |
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| [07:11:08] | wagnerrp: | if your filesystem is so fragmented that you cannot handle that speed, you just need to reformat and try again |
| [07:11:43] | portablejim: | I reckoned that is I write to RAM I can definitely rule out IO wait. |
| [07:12:28] | wagnerrp: | change your playback profile to 'slim', see if you still have issues |
| [07:13:10] | wagnerrp: | aside from that... what are you recording? what tuner card? what processor specifically? what file system? |
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| [07:13:29] | wagnerrp: | did you manage to get your hard drives stuck in PIO mode? |
| [07:14:13] | wagnerrp: | what video card? have you installed the proprietary drivers for it? |
| [07:15:44] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed... |
| [07:15:58] | portablejim: | Tuner: sus MyCinema U3100 Mini USB DVB-T Digital TV Tuner (http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV_Ha . . . ital_tuners) |
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| [07:16:09] | portablejim: | *Asus |
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| [07:18:29] | justinh: | you're writing to RAM? |
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| [07:20:28] | justinh: | portablejim: if you've got a nvidia video card you should be using the nvidia binary driver. whatever video card you have it should support a minimum of Xv |
| [07:20:45] | portablejim: | MY log file keeps putting out (@ >10 lines per second) things like "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]ac-tex damaged at 10 34", "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]00 motion_type at 0 30", "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]invalid mb type in B Frame at 6 10", "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]mb incr damaged", "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]skipped MB in I frame at 14 19" and "[mpeg2video @ 0x7ffbed934e70]slice mismatch" |
| [07:21:03] | justinh: | so corrupt mpeg streams from the tuner. |
| [07:21:10] | wagnerrp: | if the frontend is claiming the mpeg file is damaged, the mpeg file is probably damaged |
| [07:21:36] | wagnerrp: | either broken drivers dropping data, or a poor signal |
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| [07:21:43] | justinh: | when you said 'skipping' what did you mean? |
| [07:22:05] | justinh: | does the picture go very blocky from time to time? |
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| [07:22:38] | wagnerrp: | weird 'chirps' in the audio? |
| [07:23:03] | justinh: | if so, you have issues with signal quality |
| [07:23:12] | portablejim: | Things ranging from parts of the picture being blocky, to the whole picture getting blocky for a second with the sound stopping. |
| [07:23:26] | justinh: | yeah. signal |
| [07:23:36] | justinh: | run femon & gimme a couple of lines from it |
| [07:24:06] | justinh: | femon is usually in dvb-utils or somesuch package if you don't already have it |
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| [07:25:12] | justinh: | btw you're not using the crappy little stick antenna those things generally come with, are you? |
| [07:25:37] | portablejim: | no I am not. |
| [07:25:45] | portablejim: | femon output: http://paste2.org/p/506524 |
| [07:25:52] | justinh: | chances are you wouldn't get anything with that anyway ;) |
| [07:26:19] | justinh: | see those blips in BER? there's your problem |
| [07:26:20] | portablejim: | that's what I found. |
| [07:27:02] | justinh: | signal level is on the low side too I think |
| [07:27:23] | portablejim: | so the solution is a signal amplifier and/or a filter? |
| [07:27:36] | justinh: | possibly |
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| [07:27:59] | justinh: | depends where the noise is coming in |
| [07:29:04] | portablejim: | thanks. I will change the recording to stop using RAM. |
| [07:29:08] | portablejim: | Bye. |
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| [07:29:38] | justinh: | oh well. you just missed the part where I was gonna tell you about the possibility you might have to enable the low now amp on the tuner |
| [07:29:51] | justinh: | s/now/noise |
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| [07:39:40] | justinh: | good grief. empathy is useless. can't even see if I've got new emails |
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| [07:45:41] | justinh: | sigh. somebody having trouble with their backend recording from a V4L device: "my backend is a PII 266 with 64MB" |
| [07:45:45] | defecatn: | crap i'm getting this now on the local ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [07:45:50] | defecatn: | and this on the frontend |
| [07:45:52] | defecatn: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.137' (using password: YES) |
| [07:46:14] | defecatn: | justin a true classic:) |
| [07:46:22] | defecatn: | not much fun to workon i'm sure |
| [07:47:07] | justinh: | defecatn: can you log into the database from a terminal? |
| [07:47:26] | justinh: | i.e. mysql -u mythtv -p$password mythconverg ? |
| [07:47:57] | justinh: | where $password is the mythtv mysql user password |
| [07:48:31] | justinh: | and when you say you're getting that error now, do you mean it was working up til now? |
| [07:49:16] | defecatn: | justinh no. seems to be hosed |
| [07:49:18] | defecatn: | nah new system |
| [07:49:24] | defecatn: | old hd died on me |
| [07:49:38] | justinh: | new system but? |
| [07:49:53] | defecatn: | whelp new hd/install |
| [07:49:56] | justinh: | new install? |
| [07:50:01] | justinh: | ahh |
| [07:50:03] | defecatn: | i can't get into the database i guess unless i'm root |
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| [07:50:16] | justinh: | could just be a simple privs issue then |
| [07:50:44] | defecatn: | does this look right? |
| [07:50:49] | defecatn: | grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.137%" identified by "2GbkkgOF"; |
| [07:50:50] | defecatn: | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| [07:50:55] | defecatn: | shouldn't it effect a row? |
| [07:51:06] | justinh: | it hasn't the times I've done it |
| [07:51:10] | defecatn: | okay |
| [07:51:13] | defecatn: | i took out the last % |
| [07:51:23] | defecatn: | this is frustrating:) |
| [07:51:40] | defecatn: | i opened 3306 and 6543/6544 |
| [07:51:45] | justinh: | you DO have a mythconverg database don't you? |
| [07:52:14] | defecatn: | yeah. |
| [07:52:32] | defecatn: | mythweb works etc |
| [07:52:43] | justinh: | sheesh. this box was sluggish as hell. killed firefox, now it's nice & happy again |
| [07:52:53] | justinh: | mythweb still works? |
| [07:52:58] | defecatn: | i guess it's a good thing that i can't get to the database on the backend box either |
| [07:53:02] | defecatn: | unless i'm root |
| [07:53:04] | defecatn: | yeah it's working good |
| [07:53:12] | justinh: | is that using root or something? |
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| [07:53:26] | defecatn: | dont think so unless ubuntu 9.10 has it to |
| [07:53:35] | defecatn: | how do you check if the pw ubuntu generated is right? |
| [07:53:42] | defecatn: | or is there a way that i can change it? |
| [07:53:50] | justinh: | changing it is easy enough |
| [07:53:54] | defecatn: | for mysql |
| [07:54:01] | justinh: | I bloody hate how they do that |
| [07:54:13] | defecatn: | yeah i just want mythtv/mythtv |
| [07:54:14] | justinh: | there's no fscking NEED for it to be a randomised password |
| [07:54:25] | justinh: | well there IS, okay but not in the vast majority of cases |
| [07:54:54] | justinh: | grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.137" identified by "mythtv"; probably |
| [07:55:12] | defecatn: | btw i have some hacked lircd 8.6 driver that allows a extra serial blaster to control the same type of box if anyone needs it |
| [07:55:17] | defecatn: | source that is |
| [07:55:28] | defecatn: | just let me go add that |
| [07:57:07] | justinh: | arghhh killall empathy |
| [07:57:42] | justinh: | if there are two packages to choose from why does the distro always choose the least popular/useful? ;-) |
| [07:57:53] | defecatn: | myth@myth-desktop:/etc/mysql$ mysql -u mythtv -h 192.168.0.1 -p mythconverg |
| [07:57:54] | defecatn: | Enter password: |
| [07:57:56] | defecatn: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.1' (using password: YES) |
| [07:58:00] | defecatn: | man this thing is going to be the death of me |
| [07:58:04] | justinh: | nah |
| [07:58:11] | defecatn: | that's on teh host |
| [07:58:16] | defecatn: | i figure it should work there first |
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| [08:00:53] | justinh: | is mysql running bound to 127.0.0.1 or the LAN IP? |
| [08:01:18] | defecatn: | i have two nics but it's bound ot the local. 192.168.0.1 |
| [08:03:10] | defecatn: | hmm ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [08:04:07] | defecatn: | okay i may have gotten something |
| [08:05:20] | defecatn: | waiting for the front end to fire up to test |
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| [08:07:25] | defecatn: | is there a easy way of adding old recordings back into the database without a backup? |
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| [08:08:00] | justinh: | mythrebuilddatabase.pl |
| [08:08:09] | justinh: | but it's not ideal |
| [08:08:11] | jst_home: | anyone here ever seen a hung mythbackend with 27 threads waiting on a lock in TVRec::SetFlags()? |
| [08:08:26] | justinh: | and I wouldn't run it without taking a backup first |
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| [08:08:35] | jst_home: | something doesn't seem quite right... |
| [08:09:46] | defecatn: | whelp i can logon from another box using mysql |
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| [08:10:51] | defecatn: | in webmin looking at it though it says permissions none though even though i've told it all |
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| [08:36:56] | justinh: | is the wiki down, or is it just me? |
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| [08:43:51] | justinh: | nope it's like me today. a bit slow |
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| [08:50:33] | tank-man: | so much hate for mythtv that I see in comments on slashdot.org |
| [08:51:32] | justinh: | always is |
| [08:51:41] | AndyCap: | Congratulations. :) |
| [08:51:45] | defecatn: | really? what is the general opinion on the dislike? |
| [08:51:58] | justinh: | too hard to set up |
| [08:52:25] | justinh: | that it's not a single click install is beyond a lot of people's comprehension. poor buggers |
| [08:52:42] | tank-man: | + jerks on irc and mailing list (not) helping |
| [08:52:51] | AndyCap: | Like: "endless complaints from "she who must be obeyed" because MythTV box has once again died in the arse during her favourite POS drama show. personally I use XBMC now" |
| [08:52:56] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [08:53:14] | justinh: | and the usual "will not make my beans on toast" crap |
| [08:53:21] | tank-man: | that was a troll comment, XBMC doesnt even record |
| [08:53:28] | AndyCap: | tank-man: so? |
| [08:53:51] | AndyCap: | a lot of people think they're equivalent unfortunately |
| [08:54:02] | tank-man: | so if mythtv dies in the middle of the drama show, how does switching to XBMC help record their fav drama show |
| [08:54:13] | justinh: | a lot of people think they're entitled to a free lunch unfortunately |
| [08:54:52] | justinh: | and if $whoever in IRC or on the ML doesn't pander to their every stupid whim... |
| [08:55:07] | AndyCap: | dude, WTF?? "Technically speaking as XMBC main forte seems to be media shifting which is allowed under fair use versus MythTV which records transmitted content (as well as media shifting) which typical is not allowed, then MythTV is more the tool of the, avast yeah 'lan'lubbers." |
| [08:55:55] | defecatn: | once mytthtv is setup though it's great |
| [08:55:56] | AndyCap: | so the idiot's saying mythtv as a recorder is a tool of piracy, while xbmc which only plays, ho-hum. "media-shifted" files is not |
| [08:56:00] | justinh: | AndyCap: yeah, not remember the test-case where Sony had this 'beta' thing that shared teevees on the internets & the supreme court ruled it was fair use? |
| [08:56:06] | [Peter]: | " |
| [08:56:06] | [Peter]: | " |
| [08:56:06] | [Peter]: | Clearly you haven't dealt with MythTV. The myth is that you get to watch and record TV. The reality is you spend all your time fiddling with it and cursing at it until your head is so bloody from banging it up against a brick wall that you give up and decide to give up TV altogether. |
| [08:56:13] | defecatn: | man i should have suck with ubuntu 8.04 lts |
| [08:56:13] | [Peter]: | :D |
| [08:56:25] | justinh: | this is why I generally ignore /. |
| [08:56:37] | justinh: | because the comments section is chock full of retards |
| [08:56:41] | justinh: | and not in a nice way |
| [08:57:20] | justinh: | esp. once a fanboy flamewar kicks up. man |
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| [08:58:13] | justinh: | now if we could motivate everybody who manages to use mythtv without much event to comment. that might amount to something |
| [08:58:26] | justinh: | but IMHO you'll never see it happen. happy people tend not to comment |
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| [08:59:37] | justinh: | like a moth to a flame.. agrghhh... |
| [08:59:49] | justinh: | must.. resist.. urge to read.. comments.. |
| [09:00:51] | defecatn: | mythtv never gave me a issue after it was setup |
| [09:01:01] | defecatn: | unless hard ware died |
| [09:01:52] | justinh: | hahahah classic tard : "Really, if the version numbers are going to be this meaningless for tracking significant changes they should at least name them or come up with some other system. Something that let's people get interested and involved in the project and excited about the new release." |
| [09:02:10] | justinh: | WTF do numbers have to do with getting people involved? |
| [09:02:35] | tank-man: | you know, xbox went from 1, to 360, we need stuff like that |
| [09:02:56] | tank-man: | </sacasm> |
| [09:02:57] | justinh: | when's MythTV E125673581275378 coming out??! |
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| [09:05:18] | justinh: | whee that has to be the most positive slashdotting of mythtv I've ever seen |
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| [09:07:00] | defecatn: | i can even get onto mysql with windows but not the damn box that i need to connect to it |
| [09:07:02] | defecatn: | haha |
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| [09:11:43] | justinh: | love how none of the real critics want to use a proper name |
| [09:11:50] | justinh: | AC – I agree mythtv sucks! |
| [09:12:01] | justinh: | AC – I agree with your previous agreement of the suckage! |
| [09:12:22] | justinh: | AC – I totally concur with the above. They devote more time to hawking money out of people for EPG data!!!! |
| [09:13:11] | defecatn: | i'm betting the majority of the posters don't even use linux |
| [09:13:11] | justinh: | wonder how much it'd really rag people off to just thank them for their valuable input & move on |
| [09:14:14] | justinh: | I |
| [09:14:35] | justinh: | duh. I'm betting the majority of complainers spend half an hour trying to make it work without even reading the docs |
| [09:15:15] | defecatn: | are you guys using .22 or earlier? |
| [09:15:47] | justinh: | we're all too aware that people tend to associate the mythtv distros with mythtv in general too, so if they fail with Knoppmyth or mythbuntu it's mythtv's fault |
| [09:15:58] | justinh: | not using 0.22 yet |
| [09:16:08] | justinh: | might even be leapfrogging it actually |
| [09:17:40] | defecatn: | i'm kind of thinking about trying to get .21 working with ubuntu 9.10 |
| [09:18:11] | defecatn: | little things like mythweb with .22 seem way slower |
| [09:18:26] | defecatn: | and i had .21 up for a good amount of time without a issue |
| [09:19:28] | justinh: | I doubt they really are slower |
| [09:20:00] | defecatn: | might have been the computer |
| [09:20:08] | defecatn: | i miss my old fedora core 2 box |
| [09:20:09] | [Peter]: | mythweb in 0.22 is fast for me |
| [09:20:30] | defecatn: | it was fast compared to my later installs with mythtv |
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| [09:20:55] | defecatn: | i know this sounds like a very stupid question but where does myslq log? |
| [09:21:03] | defecatn: | the logs in var/mysql don't seem to have much in em |
| [09:21:09] | defecatn: | i want to see where it's going wrong |
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| [09:24:56] | defecatn: | WARNING: mysql.user contains 3 root accounts without password! |
| [09:25:01] | defecatn: | should I even worry about that? |
| [09:25:29] | lozarythmic: | depends on what databases those root accounts have access to |
| [09:27:12] | defecatn: | trying to figure out how to make mysql log to see why the front end isn't connecting |
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| [09:39:29] | justinh: | I wish all the idiots using twitter scripts on their backends would use a different fscking tag |
| [09:39:33] | justinh: | grrr |
| [09:39:52] | oobe: | twitter scripts? |
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| [09:40:08] | justinh: | "puddles_pc #MythTV Playing: Scrubs My Fifteen Minutes/My Day Off/My Nickname/My Own Personal Jesus" |
| [09:40:20] | justinh: | "puddles_pc #MythTV Recording: Samantha Who? Pilot/The Job" |
| [09:40:29] | justinh: | chuffing tag spam |
| [09:41:03] | oobe: | this appears on there twitter page? |
| [09:41:32] | justinh: | appears in all #mythtv search results |
| [09:41:51] | justinh: | so rather than just following the puddles_pc feed, they're spamming tags |
| [09:42:16] | justinh: | then there are the folks who're using ! as a tag. |
| [09:46:25] | oobe: | so you are saying if you search twitter for #mythtv all you find is ppl's playback status |
| [09:46:45] | justinh: | not all, but a lot |
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| [09:49:24] | oobe: | i dont have twitter account |
| [09:49:32] | oobe: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/StatusOSD.pl |
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| [09:49:43] | justinh: | myers. apparently some people are above it or something :) |
| [09:50:41] | justinh: | looks like the new search should be "mythtv -"0.22 released" -japes_systems -mythtv_tmentele -puddles_pc -tvshowsrt -mykee98 -callmegar -ffluvsmythtv" |
| [09:50:56] | justinh: | not many people to message to try & get them to change the tag |
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| [09:52:56] | justinh: | bloody slashdot |
| [09:54:13] | justinh: | seems the people using the twitter script thing don't do all that much recording though |
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| [09:58:28] | gunk: | the comments on any software release on slashdot these days will be 55.5% complaints about the software itself, and 35.5% complaints about 'every minor update for every obscure program' being posted |
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| [10:00:39] | laga: | and the rest? 'epic lulz'? |
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| [10:04:00] | AndyCap: | Hahaha "XBMC won't record your tv shows, but it does act as a basic frontend. It can connect to a MythTV backend and stream live tv and recordings (without a plugin)" |
| [10:04:31] | justinh: | as far as I'm concerned, XBMC even running is a myth |
| [10:04:50] | justinh: | but I've heard it actually works on other people's systems so it's not all bad |
| [10:05:09] | AndyCap: | Anyhow, time to plan the purchase of a new backend. :) |
| [10:07:32] | AndyCap: | btw, what do people do to make mythtv crash? I can't say that's been a prominent problem for me. |
| [10:08:10] | justinh: | dunno |
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| [10:08:40] | justinh: | maybe they all use it with 3rd party unsupported patches like sassy kay |
| [10:08:52] | justinh: | oops. sass-sea |
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| [10:09:42] | AndyCap: | bad hardware or feeding it crap dredged from the bottom of the p2p networks? |
| [10:10:47] | justinh: | watched "the thick of it" yesterday. punchline of the show "Come on, it wasn't that bad. I didn't come in your mouth ffs" |
| [10:10:56] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [10:11:26] | justinh: | remind me not to watch that show while eating in future |
| [10:12:47] | justinh: | AndyCap: it's comedy about a goverment minister's office |
| [10:14:08] | AndyCap: | Heh. any autoerotic asphyxiation yet? |
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| [10:17:00] | justinh: | what a strangely accurate view the rest of the world has of UK politicians |
| [10:18:33] | AndyCap: | Heh, I see windows users still bet on cablecard coming to their rescue |
| [10:19:10] | justinh: | rescue from £3.99 a show downloads? |
| [10:19:44] | justinh: | paid-for TV series content on itunes makes going to the cinema look like good value for money |
| [10:19:47] | AndyCap: | 4 quid per episode? ouch |
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| [10:22:19] | AndyCap: | oh well, can't say I've ever been on itunes. |
| [10:22:22] | justinh: | well no. $1.99 |
| [10:22:26] | justinh: | even so |
| [10:22:31] | AndyCap: | or ITMS that is. |
| [10:22:41] | justinh: | that's £1.99 here I think |
| [10:23:01] | justinh: | 2 quid for an hour long show minus ads (42 mins?) |
| [10:23:09] | AndyCap: | ah, yes, the handy 1:1 exchange rate |
| [10:24:49] | bewsher: | Hi All. Quick question: running 0.21, when a recording is auto-expired it is deleted, but the PNG stays behind. Has this happened on anyone elses machines or is it just a local problem. |
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| [10:25:30] | bewsher: | or perhaps it used to be a problem but it's been fixe...? |
| [10:25:33] | bewsher: | fixed* |
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| [10:43:31] | bewsher: | Hi All. Quick question: running 0.21, when a recording is auto-expired it is deleted, but the PNG stays behind. Has this happened on anyone elses machines or is it just a local problem? Or perhaps it used to be a problem, but it's been fixed now? |
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| [10:44:21] | justinh: | wow there's an echo in here |
| [10:44:31] | justinh: | a paraphrasing echo |
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| [11:56:22] | justinh: | dan dan dannnnnn.. flashin duh jay tag oh yeah |
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| [12:09:42] | ** gbee calls for Nurse Ratched ** | |
| [12:10:13] | hipitihop: | anyone know if a given IR receiver is receives codes from any remote ? and if so, what do I use to se what codes another remote is sending and being received. I know IRW but that seems to only see the original remote |
| [12:11:44] | justinh: | some IR receivers only work with codes from the original remote |
| [12:11:58] | justinh: | stop lircd, try irrecord & see if it can learn the other remote |
| [12:11:59] | hipitihop: | maybe I should rephrase the question. I have a Antec Veris Basic which is an IMon based receiver and remote. The remote is very basic and I also have a nicer remote that came with my LG plasma which apparently is a universal |
| [12:12:39] | justinh: | ah. then you probably need to find out if that remote can emulate the imon remote |
| [12:12:56] | hipitihop: | so does IRW show ALL butten presses received or only those configured by the lirc setup ? |
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| [12:14:53] | hipitihop: | well I'm prettey sure it should be able to emulate it but I was hopping for a couple of extra buttons so I can bind them to extra functionality |
| [12:15:46] | hipitihop: | alternatively, is it possible to configure lirc with my standard imon remote for special key combinations or how long a key is pressed perhaps ? |
| [12:16:26] | hipitihop: | I guess the first step is to go off and find out how to get the LG to emulate the iMon. |
| [12:17:09] | justinh: | irw only shows buttons for the set of remote codes set in lircd.conf |
| [12:18:01] | hipitihop: | hmm, that explains why nothing else shows when I press buttons on teh LG even though I can see the receiver's led blink in response |
| [12:18:09] | justinh: | you might be better off getting a 'real' universal remote of some sort |
| [12:18:25] | justinh: | depends though – some TV remotes really are proper uni remotes |
| [12:19:14] | hipitihop: | well assuming the LG is one as it claims in the manual... is there a lower level prog similar to IRW which shows what is being received and then from that could setup extra keys/codes in lircd.conf |
| [12:19:37] | justinh: | not really |
| [12:19:54] | justinh: | assuming the code set is compatible with the receiver, irrecord might work |
| [12:20:23] | hipitihop: | hmm, I gues the receiver would only be watching for a certain range |
| [12:20:29] | justinh: | use it to learn all the LG remote's 'DVR' or whatever buttons & use that as the basis for a new lircd.conf file |
| [12:21:09] | justinh: | dunno if the imon remote receiver can but many do |
| [12:22:45] | hipitihop: | sounds interesting and promising, I'm reading up on irrecord. thanks a bunch justinh |
| [12:23:03] | hipitihop: | btw, are you based in aus by any chance |
| [12:23:11] | justinh: | nope |
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| [12:23:21] | justinh: | uk :) |
| [12:23:29] | oobe: | me am based in aus |
| [12:23:59] | hipitihop: | np, just looking for a local user to also get help on local epg supplier sheperd. |
| [12:24:22] | hipitihop: | hey oobe, so what epg are you using ? |
| [12:24:28] | oobe: | shepherd |
| [12:24:49] | oobe: | it has a pretty straight forward setup guide plus there are loads of threads on whirlpool forums about it |
| [12:24:52] | hipitihop: | and you using that for cable or digital |
| [12:25:00] | oobe: | digital fta |
| [12:25:04] | oobe: | i dont use cable |
| [12:25:50] | hipitihop: | oobe, yes I followed th enromal install from there but mythfilldb seem to barf somewhere so never puts anything in the DB... so I only have the standard digital epg for 7–8 days |
| [12:26:07] | justinh: | wheee URC-7781 is JP1 compatible. Bye bye Harmony! |
| [12:27:41] | hipitihop: | mythweb status always just says "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2009-11–09 22:04 and ended on 2009-11–09 22:04. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. There's guide data until 2009-11–17 20:30 (8 days)." |
| [12:28:04] | hipitihop: | and I have no idea which log would make me any wiser |
| [12:28:21] | oobe: | all that means is you ran mythfilldatabase more than once in a day |
| [12:28:35] | oobe: | tv_grab_au --configure |
| [12:28:48] | oobe: | that should allow you to add sources |
| [12:29:00] | hipitihop: | oobe, so how many days do you get from shepherd ? |
| [12:29:00] | oobe: | for foxtel or whatever |
| [12:29:09] | oobe: | 7–8 |
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| [12:30:12] | hipitihop: | oh, so it may indeed be working as you say and just complaining it is running more then once.... so why is backend running it more then once or will that be causd by me rebooting the machine a few times |
| [12:30:41] | oobe: | i dont know |
| [12:30:55] | oobe: | i assumed you did it manually |
| [12:31:08] | hipitihop: | nope |
| [12:32:06] | oobe: | so do you have cable? |
| [12:32:58] | hipitihop: | no, purely digital at the moment |
| [12:33:09] | oobe: | then its all most likely working ok |
| [12:33:47] | hipitihop: | I was assuming the 7–8 days I laways have was being pulled off the digital feed via the tuner |
| [12:34:03] | oobe: | you mean epg |
| [12:34:04] | oobe: | no |
| [12:34:41] | hipitihop: | yes I mean the schedule EPG but no idea if mythtv is smart enough to do that |
| [12:35:23] | oobe: | i think it is but australia doesnt have 1 weeks worth of accurate EPG info |
| [12:35:59] | hipitihop: | so you are suspecting that 7–8 days it is reporting is indeed coming from the shepherd feed ? |
| [12:36:08] | oobe: | yes |
| [12:36:34] | hipitihop: | well there you go, maybe I'm worrying about nothing... thanks for enlightening me |
| [12:37:05] | oobe: | np |
| [12:38:11] | hipitihop: | so tomorrow I'll go and play with irrecord, now that I have painfully got my iMon working. ... and then I have to figure out why importing a DVD seems to go till the end and then fails somewhere with an orphaned vob file. |
| [12:38:41] | hipitihop: | I'll be almost fully functional then with my new setup. |
| [12:40:50] | hipitihop: | anyone know what version of mythtv the linuxMCE distro is using ? |
| [12:41:33] | ** hipitihop bids goodnight to the residents. ** | |
| [12:43:37] | justinh: | probably 0.21 if you're lucky |
| [12:43:44] | justinh: | last time I looked it was still 0.20 |
| [12:46:40] | oobe: | the old installer for linuxmce used to wipe your partition tables and format without confirmation |
| [12:48:19] | justinh: | and? |
| [12:48:20] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [12:50:11] | oobe: | who would make an installer like that unless they were lazy and stupid |
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| [12:52:44] | justinh: | people who want completely automated homes are lazy? :-O |
| [12:53:21] | justinh: | less negative than lazy & stupid, I just tend to think arrogant ;-) |
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| [12:53:58] | ExElNeT_: | where can i set my own transcode script? |
| [12:54:07] | justinh: | user jobs |
| [12:54:15] | justinh: | see the wiki page about user jobs |
| [12:54:31] | justinh: | IGNORE the part of the page where it recommends you hack the user job directly into the database |
| [12:54:32] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: thanks |
| [12:54:55] | justinh: | somebody ought to have been shot for that |
| [12:55:17] | gbee: | huh? Just remove that bit from the wiki |
| [12:56:04] | oobe: | well i think justinh's solution is better |
| [12:56:26] | justinh: | IIRC it was from somebody who should know better, too |
| [12:57:23] | justinh: | arghh bloody slashdot! |
| [12:57:40] | justinh: | whose idea was it to announce the release on there anyway? |
| [13:00:04] | justinh: | where can we slashdot slashdot ? ;-) |
| [13:00:48] | ExElNeT_: | so if i add a job, what will happen when i select transcode? |
| [13:01:06] | justinh: | you need to use job controls |
| [13:01:07] | lyricnz: | I bet a bunch more people arrive from slashdot, could get a little uptake... |
| [13:01:09] | justinh: | not transcode |
| [13:01:34] | justinh: | you really need to read the wiki page about user jobs |
| [13:01:46] | justinh: | not that you'll likely be able to today :-( |
| [13:03:06] | ExElNeT_: | yeah hehe... its a bit slow.. |
| [13:03:31] | lyricnz: | I don't suppose "we" (hahah) can make a readonly/static copy of wiki, for the /. crowd? |
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| [13:05:39] | lyricnz: | some ugly comments in the slashdot post... |
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| [13:09:15] | ExElNeT_: | well the gui only allows 4 jobs, that might be the reason for the sql hacking |
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| [13:11:19] | justinh: | it won't allow you any more than 4 jobs end of story |
| [13:11:51] | justinh: | so no. and there's never any excuse for manual database hackery |
| [13:13:37] | ExElNeT_: | well disabling eit for 1000 channels is really fun without hacking sql... |
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| [13:14:52] | justinh: | it shouldn't be policy to encourage manual DB hacking |
| [13:15:22] | justinh: | if something needs hacked manually, then the setup process has to be improved |
| [13:15:50] | justinh: | but we've not seen many RFCs on subjects like that |
| [13:16:57] | justinh: | and another thing – there's no way to edit channels en masse yet, but user jobs have a GUI :) |
| [13:17:34] | justinh: | that'd be a good thing for mythweb actually. a 'global' tickbox above the main ones in channel setup |
| [13:17:58] | ExElNeT_: | hehe yeah ... select all select regex... something like that |
| [13:18:07] | justinh: | no regex |
| [13:18:16] | justinh: | at least not for the end user |
| [13:18:35] | ExElNeT_: | well searchstring with regex capability like grep |
| [13:18:56] | justinh: | seen the custom rule screens? ugh |
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| [13:22:26] | BlueCamel: | I think my vdpau/X crashing from last night was due to a bios change I made |
| [13:22:52] | BlueCamel: | setting either Performance Defaults, or, 512MB RAM for the ION on the ASRock 330 |
| [13:23:00] | BlueCamel: | I need to test more to confirm. |
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| [13:29:02] | hashbang: | BlueCamel: performance=mild overclocking, based on the manual for my Asus P5Q |
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| [13:29:30] | BlueCamel: | hashbang: i'm *guessing* that includes some better RAM timings |
| [13:30:27] | hashbang: | ere, justinh, you might know; when a DVB appliance suggests retuning because channels have changed, is that because of some flag that's been set, or just that it's noticed that broadcast callsign/service IDs don't match those currently stored? |
| [13:30:41] | hashbang: | BlueCamel: yeah, out-of-spec timings, I would expect. |
| [13:30:41] | BlueCamel: | I don't have time before work, but later I plan to first confirm it by replicating the crash with Perf timings and then go back and see exactly what they change in bios between defaults and perf |
| [13:30:46] | justinh: | I presume it's the latter |
| [13:31:00] | oobe: | http://twitter.com/mythtv_tmentele |
| [13:31:07] | justinh: | it's a while since I saw a spec |
| [13:31:08] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: hmm the jobs are nice... is it possible to hide the defautl transcode button? |
| [13:31:22] | justinh: | ExElNeT_: yes, if you edit the c++ code :P |
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| [13:31:43] | hashbang: | justinh: right. My Panasonic TV is prompting twice a day since just before the mplex shuffle a couple of months or so back. But it made me wonder if MythTV could do something similar... |
| [13:32:01] | justinh: | it could, ever so easily |
| [13:32:20] | justinh: | but the frontend isn't where mythtv-setup gets run is it |
| [13:32:24] | hashbang: | justinh: if somewrone wrote a patch. :-) |
| [13:32:27] | justinh: | necessarily |
| [13:32:53] | justinh: | I bloody hate rescanning |
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| [13:33:27] | hashbang: | justinh: the backend could notice callsign/service IDs don't match and rescan, possibly sending a message to FEs for user confirmation |
| [13:33:53] | justinh: | extensions to the protocol for edgy case like freeview. doubt it |
| [13:34:29] | justinh: | if freeview would stay the same for five bloody minutes! ducking aunts |
| [13:34:41] | kizi: | ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [13:34:41] | kizi: | Perhaps you should read the installation instructions? |
| [13:34:42] | hashbang: | justinh: so it'd be fully automatic or nothing... |
| [13:34:51] | kizi: | im getting that in mythbackend.log |
| [13:34:56] | BlueCamel: | Hmm, apt-get update is holding back libmyth-0.22–0 |
| [13:35:01] | justinh: | kizi: perhaps you should read the installation instructions |
| [13:35:09] | BlueCamel: | installing it wants to install libvdpau1 as well |
| [13:35:16] | kizi: | justinh, i have already done that |
| [13:35:36] | justinh: | kizi: and apparently not understoof something but continued anyway ;-) |
| [13:35:38] | kizi: | and i have already selected the capture card in mythtv-setup |
| [13:36:01] | justinh: | there are a number of steps in mythtv-setup, all numbered. all must be completed |
| [13:36:04] | justinh: | ALL |
| [13:36:07] | justinh: | no shortcuts |
| [13:36:12] | kizi: | I HAVE DONE THAT |
| [13:36:16] | kizi: | ALL of them |
| [13:36:41] | justinh: | apparently not. oh well have fun with that |
| [13:36:58] | kizi: | thanks for NOT helping :D |
| [13:39:21] | hashbang: | justinh: new smut channel TMTV and new Sky3/Virgin1/E4 channel VIVA |
| [13:39:40] | justinh: | that what TMTV is? |
| [13:39:51] | justinh: | new Sky3 channel? |
| [13:39:55] | hashbang: | apparently – http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/ . . . m=1255994387 |
| [13:39:56] | justinh: | new Virgin1 channel? |
| [13:40:05] | hashbang: | no, VIVA is a Sky3/V1 clone |
| [13:40:06] | justinh: | I know about Viva. It replaced TMF |
| [13:40:12] | hashbang: | http://uk.viva.tv/shows |
| [13:40:18] | justinh: | it's bollix is what it is |
| [13:40:31] | hashbang: | heh, yeah. That's another way of saying it. :-) |
| [13:40:32] | justinh: | more UK Men & motors but with muzak |
| [13:40:58] | justinh: | I'll stick wi me BBC Four ta :) |
| [13:41:14] | hashbang: | for me, really only BBC4 and Film4 are the only worthwhile additions above analogue. |
| [13:41:31] | quicksilver: | justinh: is tehre a cheat sheet anywhere which reminds me what steps I need to take after a rescan? |
| [13:41:35] | hashbang: | s/analogue/BBC2 and Channel 4/g |
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| [13:41:42] | quicksilver: | I always forget and end up mucking around in the DB until I remember again |
| [13:42:01] | kslater: | mythtv.org server getting slashdotted at the moment |
| [13:42:19] | hashbang: | quicksilver: check that channels are in the right positions, no dupes, adjust xmltv file for new channels? |
| [13:42:22] | justinh: | s/slashdotted/attacked\ by\ morons |
| [13:42:28] | kslater: | hehe |
| [13:42:36] | kslater: | the downside of a new release |
| [13:42:50] | justinh: | check channels, put xmltvids back, put icons back, adjust xmltv config.. |
| [13:43:04] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [13:43:13] | justinh: | set channels with xmltvid to useonairguide=0 |
| [13:43:23] | justinh: | set the shite channels to invisible |
| [13:43:26] | justinh: | yada yada |
| [13:44:02] | justinh: | then pull your hair out wondering why there are duplicate channels & it turns out there's an extra mux |
| [13:44:24] | justinh: | there should only be 5 but there are still 6.. oooo it's fun |
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| [13:45:06] | justinh: | whee looks like OFCOM have kyboshed the bbc's plan to huffman encode freeviewHD stuff |
| [13:45:21] | justinh: | which will no doubt bugger up their licencing deal |
| [13:45:43] | justinh: | s/huffman\ encode/chocolate\ fireguard |
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| [13:46:13] | ivor: | yay, but then, you think... they probably would have done the bare minimum to protect it without really meaning it. |
| [13:46:21] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:46:22] | justinh: | exactly |
| [13:46:28] | ivor: | so perhaps there#d have been more content. |
| [13:46:30] | justinh: | and now people have scuppered that |
| [13:46:58] | justinh: | it took all of what.. no time at all to work out freesat |
| [13:47:24] | ivor: | there was something to work out? :) |
| [13:47:32] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:47:46] | justinh: | they slipped it in under the door |
| [13:47:58] | justinh: | whereas the freeview deal got mention in the press |
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| [13:48:12] | justinh: | bloody freetards |
| [13:48:51] | ivor: | the trouble with HD..... |
| [13:49:02] | justinh: | wonder how come none of these issues were relevant before. |
| [13:49:09] | ivor: | is I end up watching stuff I normally wouldn't.... just to soak in the 1080 goodness. |
| [13:49:11] | justinh: | look at NICAM, teletext etc.. |
| [13:49:22] | ivor: | mmmmm. Antiques Roadshow HD. :) |
| [13:49:26] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:49:34] | ivor: | can't help it. |
| [13:49:42] | justinh: | oh I could |
| [13:50:28] | ivor: | pah |
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| [13:51:14] | justinh: | heh. just had a look at a colleague's new NMT box |
| [13:51:27] | justinh: | its UI is snappier than xbmc is on my C2D laptop |
| [13:51:43] | justinh: | and mythtv, come to think |
| [13:52:00] | justinh: | blatant rip-off of the appletv GUI though |
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| [13:52:39] | quicksilver: | orbs' default UI looks like a ripoff of mythtv's ui |
| [13:52:43] | quicksilver: | who'd have thought anyone would do that ;) |
| [13:52:47] | justinh: | £80, has USB & all the usual. HDMI out AND allegedly downsamples 'tru hd' audio to DTS |
| [13:52:57] | justinh: | orb? |
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| [13:53:33] | justinh: | oh that stupid placeshifting thing. meh |
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| [13:59:43] | justinh: | wonder if Logitech's crummy software has a 'reset to factory' thing for when I put my harmony on ebay |
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| [14:07:22] | brad3: | justin: i'm curious why are you putting your harmony on ebay? I love my harmony! |
| [14:07:32] | justinh: | I hate my 515 with a passion |
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| [14:07:46] | justinh: | I'm a DEVICE remote guy not an ACTIVITIES remote guy |
| [14:08:05] | brad3: | ahh |
| [14:08:21] | justinh: | muh, I'm too stupid to know which button I have to press to make my remote the TV remote |
| [14:09:02] | justinh: | there are basically three activities we need remotes for in our house. none of them involve needing to invoke much brain power |
| [14:09:37] | brad3: | i do kinda like the activities buttons. it's not that i'm too stupid to know the buttons, it's that hitting "Watch TV" is much easier than turning on the tv, switching it to component 1, turning on the amp |
| [14:09:47] | brad3: | my laziness loves the one button hit instead of 3 :) |
| [14:09:52] | justinh: | the slowness of it all frustrates me |
| [14:10:00] | brad3: | ahh, makes sens |
| [14:10:01] | justinh: | and the amount of time it gets it wrong |
| [14:10:03] | brad3: | sense |
| [14:10:31] | brad3: | gets it wrong? I know my remote had a bit of trouble with the tv initially |
| [14:10:41] | justinh: | and if you get sick, go to device mode to correct what it screwed up (usually the TV input) it messes everything up |
| [14:10:49] | brad3: | but i tweaked the delay it waits between button pushes (For a power on) |
| [14:10:58] | brad3: | and that fixed 99% of my problems |
| [14:10:59] | justinh: | yeah – making it slower. BUhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [14:11:06] | brad3: | haha true |
| [14:11:26] | justinh: | and the remote is generally sluggish compared to a real remote I find |
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| [14:13:07] | brad3: | i think it could be which remote you have as well |
| [14:13:12] | brad3: | i have the 3something i think |
| [14:13:20] | brad3: | i got it when dell was having a ridiculous sale |
| [14:15:54] | justinh: | they're all basically the same AFAIK |
| [14:16:06] | justinh: | different number of devices/activities supported |
| [14:16:32] | justinh: | I love how customisable it is but at the same time I utterly despise the software & the limitations it imposes |
| [14:17:22] | justinh: | just give me discrete device buttons & a much lower inter-button delay & I'll stick with it |
| [14:19:11] | justinh: | I really like my OFA-6 JP1 remote but it's about 3 buttons short of perfect |
| [14:19:20] | justinh: | & the battery cover is broken |
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| [14:21:44] | justinh: | bloody hell mythtv comes in for stick about the GUI but this.. http://www.tivo.com/assets/images/abouttivo/r . . . Actor_HD.jpg |
| [14:22:00] | justinh: | bleugh |
| [14:22:35] | justinh: | and bleugh http://www.tivo.com/assets/images/abouttivo/r . . . Guide_HD.jpg |
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| [14:24:29] | justinh: | oh now pla's myth box is at it on twitter |
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| [14:51:10] | BlueCamel: | I'd like a ZMS-08 chip please :) |
| [14:51:32] | justinh: | sigh. editing default widgets is a PITA |
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| [15:01:45] | tmkt: | morning |
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| [15:02:50] | justinh: | does live preview works? lol |
| [15:04:24] | iamlindoro: | ENGRISH FAIRL |
| [15:04:30] | Malard|Work: | ? |
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| [15:05:49] | justinh: | eeeey iamlindoro. :) How do you go about editing common widgetry? do you shove a definition somewhere other than base.xml while you make changes then put it into base.xml later? |
| [15:06:44] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Guess I never really thought of it-- To date I've just sort of suffered through the reloads until I had the widgets where I wanted them, but I guess there's something to be said for what you're saying |
| [15:07:03] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:07:11] | justinh: | figured you mighta had a faster way already |
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| [15:07:45] | justinh: | does the reloading keybinding still work? |
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| [15:08:07] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Graphite was a design process mess, I added things as I found that I needed them-- for Arclight I designed all the widgets first and translated them to XML before I laid out a single page... has been much more pleasant |
| [15:08:21] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [15:08:23] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I was broken up until a few weeks ago, but I think sphery may have fixed it |
| [15:08:36] | justinh: | it or you? ;-) |
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| [15:08:53] | brad3: | iamlindoro: you are designing another theme? exciting! Do you have any screenshots? :) |
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| [15:09:09] | iamlindoro: | brad3: Yep, http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/ |
| [15:09:38] | justinh: | only one response to my plea for twitterers to stop using mythtv as a tag in their *spam* scripts |
| [15:09:44] | justinh: | and even that wasn't positive |
| [15:10:10] | justinh: | way to devalue a useful service guys :( |
| [15:10:13] | brad3: | iam: looks cool nice work as always |
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| [15:10:37] | iamlindoro: | brad3: Thanks, it has changed a fair amount since some of those screenshots but I am much happier with it than Graphite |
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| [15:11:44] | brad3: | is it someting i can try in .22? Or is that discouraged? |
| [15:11:54] | justinh: | trunky only |
| [15:12:12] | brad3: | k |
| [15:12:13] | iamlindoro: | brad3: It's built on some MythUI stuf that is only in trunk, and some patches that aren't even applied yet, so it'll be .23 only |
| [15:12:14] | justinh: | like my next one will likely be |
| [15:12:25] | justinh: | my next and only |
| [15:12:35] | Dibblah: | "Since you have the same crashing with SageTV and MythTV, I would be tempted to say that the only point in common those 2 have is : YOU. |
| [15:12:35] | Dibblah: | I would not let you touch my setup" |
| [15:13:14] | iamlindoro: | brad3: I actually have all but ~6 windows themed already (out of >100) but I want the next few months to tweak it/polish... I have a feeling having a long "tweak" period will benefit everyone |
| [15:13:16] | justinh: | full of love those slashdotters ain't they |
| [15:13:35] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: I do enjoy the annual proclamation of our irrelevance |
| [15:13:37] | justinh: | iamlindoro: 1.0 forever! |
| [15:13:52] | Dibblah: | In some ways, it's true. |
| [15:14:01] | justinh: | irreverence you mean :P |
| [15:14:04] | brad3: | iamlindoro: a long tweak period is probably a good idea. Let me know if you ever want help beta testing it |
| [15:14:06] | Dibblah: | "I fiddled with it until it did things the way I wanted it to". |
| [15:14:41] | justinh: | it can't have been that bad on /. since i don |
| [15:14:43] | Dibblah: | However, that took too long. So I dumped it and now use YaaarMediaPlayer |
| [15:14:46] | justinh: | don't feel very de-motivated |
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| [15:15:15] | iamlindoro: | We'll gain back users if we solve the configuration and settings problems... there's a constant influx of people interested in Myth, retention is our problem |
| [15:15:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro: WHO CARES? I mean really? |
| [15:15:39] | iamlindoro: | I care, at least a little |
| [15:16:03] | justinh: | the project has never cared much officially. I think some saw that as a problem |
| [15:16:06] | iamlindoro: | *I* would like to be able to recommend Myth to more friends, but that means being able to say in good conscience that they could easily set it up and maintain it |
| [15:16:28] | justinh: | one thing struck a chord inthe /. comments today |
| [15:16:35] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I think that that atitude is changing for the beter somewhat, at least with a few of us... which is not to say that the tippy-top cares at all AFAICT |
| [15:16:36] | justinh: | next next next next next next FINISH |
| [15:17:06] | justinh: | the settings revamp ideas will fair shake things up IMHO |
| [15:17:18] | justinh: | nicely so, and not just from a being nicer to noobs PoV |
| [15:17:18] | ** iamlindoro hopes to have MythVideo "next free for two-three" ** | |
| [15:17:30] | justinh: | next free? |
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| [15:18:12] | justinh: | nope, can't get my head around that |
| [15:18:24] | justinh: | I get the two-three bit |
| [15:18:35] | iamlindoro: | Hope to convert all available settings to MythUI, ripping out as many as possible as I go, meaning breaking them into bite sized pieces |
| [15:18:46] | justinh: | ah |
| [15:18:49] | iamlindoro: | and make them all available from MythVideo itself without finding them in the menu |
| [15:19:01] | iamlindoro: | so no "next next next finish" |
| [15:19:12] | justinh: | could we have all mythbackend settings put into mythtv-setup then? ;-) |
| [15:20:05] | iamlindoro: | gbee moved a few of them a week or two ago |
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| [15:20:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: pulling that stuff out might actually make it a mite easier for multiuser stuff |
| [15:21:19] | justinh: | heh. press menu while on the main menus. 'switch user'.. LOL |
| [15:21:34] | justinh: | gonna need that by the time I have kids |
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| [15:25:09] | justinh: | mythui conversion of settings is also going to mean no more trying to tell whether a 3 pixel square is highlighted or not :D |
| [15:27:12] | justinh: | oh crap. Did I just fall for an old trick, in hosting the blue-abstract-wide tarball? NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| [15:30:37] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: And the legally required consultation period for the settings revamp is over. So get to it ;) ;) |
| [15:30:58] | iamlindoro: | heh... I'm out of town... but will probably start late this week when I go home :) |
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| [15:32:09] | justinh: | hometime :) |
| [15:35:02] | Dibblah: | Personally, I'm wondering if it's necessary to configure the backend _at all_. |
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| [15:35:41] | Dibblah: | For true digital inputs (DVB-s/c/t / ATSC + friends) |
| [15:35:52] | Dibblah: | 1. Autodetect cards. |
| [15:36:15] | Dibblah: | 2. Scan (from either a channels.conf or fixed frequency) |
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| [15:36:30] | Dibblah: | Job done. |
| [15:36:52] | Dibblah: | Now, on startup, the tuners are enumerated and you try to tune each one to the available sources for it. |
| [15:37:20] | Dibblah: | Connect up each one that tunes. |
| [15:38:00] | Dibblah: | Listings still need associated with inputs, of course... |
| [15:38:18] | Dibblah: | And it doesn't work at all for analogue. |
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| [15:51:38] | Coded1: | is it possible to set up myth on a dual monitor rig? I want to have one monitor(tv) for myth exclusively and leave my main monitor to surf on |
| [15:55:09] | Thomas-: | Coded1: sure, you need to configure your X environment for this |
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| [15:59:14] | Coded1: | Thomas, any chance I can use all 3 monitors, (DVI,VGA,S-Video) ? or is that just wish ful thinking |
| [15:59:15] | Coded1: | ? |
| [15:59:57] | Josh_Borke: | myth wouldn't prevent you |
| [16:00:03] | Josh_Borke: | just run myth as a separate x session |
| [16:00:05] | Coded1: | i figure I would have to get into some nasty X stuff to set up 2 sessions anyway |
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| [16:01:56] | Coded1: | any one know of a howto I could look up? |
| [16:05:40] | Dibblah: | NVidia cards at least only support 2 concurrent outputs. |
| [16:05:53] | Thomas-: | Coded1: http://www.google.se/search?q=X+over+multiple . . . enSE275SE275 |
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| [16:06:24] | Dibblah: | You will have to set "separate X screens" in nvidia-settings, then figure out how to ONLY get the input you want into the frontends that are running. |
| [16:07:25] | Huijari: | hmmh. two hours till my next scheduled recording. i wonder whether i could update to 0.22 before it :P |
| [16:07:43] | Dibblah: | DISPLAY=:0.1 MYTHCONFDIR=/root/.mythtv-second mythfrontend |
| [16:08:24] | Dibblah: | Will give you separated configuration directories – Into which you need to put mysql.txt files. |
| [16:09:14] | Dibblah: | The files have to have "LocalHostName=frontend-other" in them. |
| [16:09:25] | Dibblah: | ... Obviously, pick your own identifier. |
| [16:12:46] | Huijari: | meh, neither arch nor mint has 0.22 in their repos yet. i guess i'll wait |
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| [16:15:29] | superm1: | Huijari, you can probably use the mythbuntu auto-builds on mint since it's an ubuntu based distro |
| [16:15:34] | superm1: | http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [16:15:47] | superm1: | that will get you 0.22 builds for anything that was 8.10, 9.04, or 9.10 based |
| [16:17:13] | Huijari: | and aur probably has 0.22 for arch |
| [16:17:29] | Huijari: | my backend is arch and frontend mint |
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| [16:51:24] | honk: | heya, I'm currently trying to fix the mysql encoding. when using the restore script, I'm getting an error about duplicate entries: http://nopaste.info/b80d54d425.html |
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| [16:51:56] | honk: | I'm kinda at a loss here – importing the same file via the mysql does work but messes up the umlauts in my db :| |
| [16:52:07] | Dave123-work: | hi all, is it me or is the mythtv.org site slow? |
| [16:52:14] | wagnerrp: | being slashdotted |
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| [16:52:49] | Dave123-work: | wagnerrp: ah, okay |
| [16:53:00] | Dave123-work: | did see the article on /. this moring |
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| [16:59:33] | gravy: | I have a problem with master backend deleting files on a remote smb share. |
| [16:59:43] | gravy: | I can delete the files from master backend via command line |
| [16:59:55] | gravy: | here is the error in the log from mythbackend |
| [17:00:05] | gravy: | mythbackend: Delete Recording: File /media/mythtv-freenas/The Jay Leno Show – 2009-09–16, 10–00 PM – Untitled.mpg for chanid 1006 at Wed Sep 16 22:00:00 2009 could not be deleted. |
| [17:00:16] | gravy: | and then: |
| [17:00:25] | gravy: | eno: Text file busy (26) |
| [17:00:58] | wagnerrp: | why not use NFS? |
| [17:01:55] | gravy: | always had problmes with it. SMB seems much more tolerant of reconnects etc. |
| [17:02:07] | honk: | no ideas? :/ |
| [17:02:30] | gravy: | my slave backend is also mounted via smb, and no probs, although possibly it deletes its own files locally |
| [17:03:29] | gravy: | does myth use a different method (for lack of a better word) of deletion that the command line (rm /path/file) ? |
| [17:03:49] | wagnerrp: | they both use some basic sys calls for deletion |
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| [17:04:56] | wagnerrp: | however if you are hosting the files on a machine that supports NFS, you should be using NFS |
| [17:05:11] | wagnerrp: | NFS will reconnect gracefully as soon as the server comes back online |
| [17:05:28] | gravy: | i guess i can try it again, but I've learned the hard way to go away from it |
| [17:05:39] | wagnerrp: | (although your server should not be going offline) |
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| [17:05:59] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to use wireless or something like that are you? |
| [17:06:02] | gravy: | i would have hanging mounts, couldn't stat/ls, would cause probs with other systems |
| [17:06:03] | gravy: | no |
| [17:06:14] | gravy: | it's actually a 24/7 freenas |
| [17:06:19] | wagnerrp: | right, it would do that if it lost access to the server |
| [17:06:25] | wagnerrp: | network outage, or a down system |
| [17:06:29] | gravy: | on the same ethernet switch |
| [17:06:32] | gravy: | right |
| [17:07:01] | wagnerrp: | barring those two physical failures, there is no reason NFS should be failing in such a manner |
| [17:07:16] | gravy: | but should a switch become unplugged / machine go down... i haven't experienced it always gracefully recovering |
| [17:07:29] | gravy: | i would have to manually umount -l / mount |
| [17:07:46] | gravy: | or it would all go to crap |
| [17:08:13] | wagnerrp: | i manage some 700 or so diskless nodes at work, and they all gracefully reconnect to root when the server comes back online |
| [17:08:21] | wagnerrp: | as far as i remember, im just using the default settings |
| [17:08:33] | wagnerrp: | however.... freenas runs on freebsd |
| [17:08:42] | wagnerrp: | i have had some problems with the freebsd nfs server |
| [17:08:45] | gravy: | yeah, iirc the |
| [17:08:47] | gravy: | right |
| [17:08:51] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive had problems with nfs reconnecting |
| [17:09:04] | gravy: | although i had also tried before i had the freenas with fedora to fedora |
| [17:09:06] | clever: | basicaly, the fsid is assigned when you put the line in exports |
| [17:09:13] | gravy: | back in say fedora 8/9 days |
| [17:09:15] | wagnerrp: | for some reason the pre-forked nfs daemons all lock up |
| [17:09:16] | clever: | and because of my hacks to the server, it got changed on each bootup |
| [17:09:24] | clever: | so the clients couldnt reconnect |
| [17:09:37] | clever: | i had to add fsid=123 inside exports (and keep them unique) |
| [17:09:43] | wagnerrp: | and it requires the nfs server to be restarted |
| [17:09:54] | clever: | yes, but once done it may prevent further problems |
| [17:10:11] | gravy: | sometimes the master backend would get so screwed up it couldn't even shut down. I'd have to hold the power button |
| [17:10:12] | clever: | if everything is already killed because of those problems, it wont hurt |
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| [17:11:36] | gravy: | and if you restart the NFS server you could screw the other couple of machines that are connected |
| [17:11:42] | gravy: | not to mention the manual nature of it. |
| [17:12:08] | gravy: | except for this problem (which may or may not be SMB/CIFS related) mounting everything smb has worked flawlessly |
| [17:12:09] | wagnerrp: | you dont screw up the other machines, they simply reconnect a couple seconds later |
| [17:12:10] | clever: | the server usualy tries to keep them static for you |
| [17:12:17] | wagnerrp: | although i cant argue the manual nature |
| [17:12:26] | clever: | but in my case, it couldnt |
| [17:12:42] | gravy: | sure, it *should* be ok. Hopefully it comes back in time for any remote file operations to not block and hose those systems |
| [17:13:19] | wagnerrp: | i ended up simply adding a cronjob to restart nfs at 3am |
| [17:13:39] | gravy: | It is worth a shot. At least it could tell me where to focus my debugging – on smb or elsewhere |
| [17:13:59] | wagnerrp: | use nfs for something innocuous |
| [17:14:06] | wagnerrp: | let it run for a couple days |
| [17:14:18] | justinh: | if you really must use SMB, use something else :) |
| [17:14:29] | wagnerrp: | if you ever notice it stop working, log in with ssh and check the status of the 'nfsd' processes |
| [17:14:57] | wagnerrp: | they should be listed as 'I' or 'Is', if they are 'S', then you are experiencing the same problem i was |
| [17:15:29] | wagnerrp: | i think the problem may have actually been in combination with a particular version of the linux kernel |
| [17:15:44] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.27 or something |
| [17:15:49] | clever: | S and S< here, and things are working fine |
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| [17:15:58] | wagnerrp: | i havent noticed the problem in the last several months |
| [17:16:10] | wagnerrp: | and havent been running that cron job |
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| [17:16:34] | gravy: | clever: "S<" here too |
| [17:18:59] | gravy: | gotta step out, but I should be able to remount the thing quickly as NFS and at least test deletion |
| [17:19:55] | gravy: | maybe just doing that once a month until i figure it out... I've got a bunch of crap that needs to expire filling up that remote drive |
| [17:21:50] | ** honk throws a waterbaloon filled with frustration at sphery ** | |
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| [17:37:45] | gravy: | deletion appears to be working through NFS |
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| [17:39:50] | wagnerrp: | deletion only wasnt working through nfs because something hadnt cleaned up an access lock |
| [17:39:57] | wagnerrp: | err... samba |
| [17:41:52] | wagnerrp: | did you happen to have the folder open in explorer on a windows box? |
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| [17:42:59] | ** j-rod debates... another zotac board, or the asus board... ** | |
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| [17:44:01] | wagnerrp: | what do you want it for? |
| [17:44:33] | j-rod: | I want a board w/a usable expansion slot so I can put in a firewire card |
| [17:45:01] | wagnerrp: | zotacs dont have expansion slots do they? |
| [17:45:07] | j-rod: | there's a new one that does |
| [17:45:14] | j-rod: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500036 |
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| [17:45:25] | j-rod: | x16 pcie |
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| [17:45:55] | j-rod: | overkill for an x1 pcie firewire card... |
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| [17:46:11] | wagnerrp: | no one makes an ION with firewire? |
| [17:46:17] | laga: | youcould torally put a 8400 in there for VDPAU. ;) |
| [17:46:22] | j-rod: | not that I've seen |
| [17:46:30] | laga: | ugh. spelling. |
| [17:46:37] | honk: | laga: kinda pointless when the board comes with a 9400 onboard, dont you think? |
| [17:46:43] | j-rod: | laga: um... yeah, what would be the point? :) |
| [17:46:56] | j-rod: | 9500 or 8600+, sure, *maybe* there's a point |
| [17:46:59] | laga: | well, it being pointless was the point of my pointless joke |
| [17:47:04] | j-rod: | heh |
| [17:50:39] | gravy: | not open anywhere else... possibly Freenas's CIFS could be wrongly locking it, although this still raises the question of why I could delete it with 'rm' |
| [17:52:32] | j-rod: | asus board probably makes more sense, given that I have zero need for yet another 802.11n mini pcie card |
| [17:53:16] | j-rod: | and have plenty of pci firewire cards, vs only one or two pcie |
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| [18:00:24] | dustybin: | mythtv .22 has done something great with my video, mythtvs output is now exactly the same as a STB |
| [18:01:01] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 does exactly nothing to the video |
| [18:01:15] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: maybe i had the wrong settings in .21 |
| [18:01:28] | Dubstar_04: | what revision is the release of 0.22? |
| [18:01:33] | whoDat_: | With .22 mythtv-setup is asking me to 'scan for channels' when trying to use the 'fetch channels from listings source' button. this seems pretty odd? I dont want to do a hard scan, I only want the channels i chose from my schedules direct source. |
| [18:01:52] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: digital or analog? |
| [18:02:05] | dustybin: | my osd looks nice and sharp and stable |
| [18:02:07] | whoDat_: | digital.. dvbinput |
| [18:02:12] | wagnerrp: | scan |
| [18:02:59] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: i dont want to mess up my channel table with a bunch of channels I dont want, is why i am hesitating. |
| [18:03:18] | dustybin: | im going to start working on a theme what will be ready for .23, the first thing to decide is a name :D |
| [18:04:18] | dustybin: | even before i start creating the artwork, i will need to decide on how i want it to work |
| [18:04:27] | dustybin: | the function is even more important than the artwork |
| [18:04:42] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: why does it require a scan first? |
| [18:04:50] | justinh: | what will. lol |
| [18:04:53] | justinh: | WHICH will |
| [18:05:27] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: you only need to scan for channels if you dont already have existing channels |
| [18:05:39] | wagnerrp: | and SD does not provide sufficient information to tune a digital channel |
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| [18:06:31] | dustybin: | is there a legal way to grab music cover artwork like how the imbd script works? |
| [18:06:53] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:06:58] | dustybin: | dam |
| [18:07:04] | dustybin: | no such thing as music fanart? |
| [18:07:09] | clever: | dustybin: stick the cd in your scanner |
| [18:07:12] | wagnerrp: | any idea where winamp gets their data? |
| [18:07:25] | justinh: | well, the only apps which grab album artwork use the amazon API which is obliged to show you 'buy me' ads |
| [18:07:28] | wagnerrp: | either amazon or gracenote, i dont remember |
| [18:07:38] | wagnerrp: | and winamp shows no 'buy me' ads |
| [18:08:12] | whoDat_: | so..scan...frequency table: cable, Qam-256, channels 2–20? (On schedules direct all channels i want are below 70 in broadcast channel column) |
| [18:08:29] | whoDat_: | err i mean scan 2–70 |
| [18:08:45] | wagnerrp: | whoDat_: youre scanning digital cable? or youre scanning broadcast? |
| [18:09:01] | wagnerrp: | if youre scanning digital cable, then the channel numbers on SD are exactly meaningless |
| [18:09:10] | justinh: | winamp is the bloated kitchen sink of all music players |
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| [18:09:31] | whoDat_: | digital |
| [18:09:49] | dustybin: | mythtv needs bbc iplayer + spotify plugins :D |
| [18:10:01] | whoDat_: | wagnerrp: schedules direct lists the logical as well as the broadcast channel numbers |
| [18:10:12] | wagnerrp: | for braodcast, not cable |
| [18:10:34] | justinh: | dustybin: spotify? yeah cos we all need spotify :-\ |
| [18:10:46] | dustybin: | justinh: its good, the ads are minimal |
| [18:10:46] | justinh: | iplayer should work in a browser anyway |
| [18:10:55] | justinh: | it's NOT good. It's OK |
| [18:11:00] | dustybin: | heh ok |
| [18:11:10] | justinh: | file under FRWAP |
| [18:12:09] | whoDat_: | I use broadcast, even though I am getting the channels through my cable line? |
| [18:14:10] | sphery: | honk: those /are/ actually duplicate entries (lines 5 and 6 of your nopaste). There's a 41-char index on people.name, so they're identical (regardless of the ending). You'll need to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406111#406111 |
| [18:14:21] | dustybin: | does iamlindoro run his own svn server from home for themes? |
| [18:15:26] | sphery: | Malard1: assuming those are all MythWeb issues, your best bet is to ask kormoc--he knows MythWeb and where it's going /and/ he understands PHP :) |
| [18:16:24] | justinh: | dustybin: last I heard he didn't |
| [18:16:35] | justinh: | I used to though. doubt you could set one up |
| [18:17:06] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [18:17:53] | ** justinh wonders what fail-wide is going to look like ** | |
| [18:20:09] | sphery: | justinh: btw, the reload theme stuff should work (both the jumppoint and the USR1 signal |
| [18:20:11] | ** justinh curses /. for the umpteenth time today ** | |
| [18:20:39] | ** dustybin bookmarks http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development ** | |
| [18:20:43] | justinh: | sphery: ta |
| [18:20:51] | justinh: | dustybin: better if you cache it :P |
| [18:21:04] | dustybin: | heh |
| [18:21:49] | sphery: | oh, and in fairness, I may have fixed it, but I did so with Capt M's patch :) |
| [18:22:07] | justinh: | heh. I'm happy so long as it saves me some time |
| [18:22:10] | wagnerrp: | 'fail-wide'? i was thinking something more in keeping with the trashcan theme |
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| [18:22:48] | justinh: | btw don't bank on using the shape widget for progress bar fill images. won't work |
| [18:23:12] | justinh: | good job I'm going with really clean & simple lines |
| [18:23:21] | justinh: | shiny is dead |
| [18:24:45] | wagnerrp: | c'mon, lens flare makes everything better |
| [18:25:02] | dustybin: | are you guys talking about gimp and inkscape ? |
| [18:25:13] | justinh: | and wtf is it with lens flare in FPS & racing games? do people have fskcing cameras for eyes?! |
| [18:25:14] | dustybin: | or are we talking photoshop and illustrator? |
| [18:25:25] | justinh: | dustybin: gimp? ROFLMAO |
| [18:25:41] | justinh: | inkscape only |
| [18:26:03] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:26:13] | dustybin: | you will need some kind of bitmap editor for backgrounds |
| [18:26:20] | justinh: | anyway only nutters care what you use to produce images |
| [18:26:30] | justinh: | dustybin: wrong again! |
| [18:26:33] | wagnerrp: | justinh: about as sensible as the AI in said FPS games taking cover behind explosive and volatile materials |
| [18:27:02] | dustybin: | inkscape / illustrator are perfect icon tools |
| [18:27:23] | dustybin: | vectors ftw |
| [18:27:43] | justinh: | illustrator is about $whateveritcosts too expensive for the job |
| [18:28:10] | Makere: | piratebay |
| [18:28:11] | dustybin: | yep, its as expensive as my legal version of windows |
| [18:28:18] | justinh: | and it can't output proper SVG to save its life |
| [18:28:33] | wagnerrp: | Makere not in here |
| [18:28:36] | Makere: | piratebay, "it's not too expensive", .org |
| [18:28:41] | Makere: | :) |
| [18:28:45] | dustybin: | justinh: illustrator has a ton of colour profiles |
| [18:28:59] | justinh: | which matter because? |
| [18:29:06] | justinh: | oh yeah now I remember. They don't |
| [18:29:48] | ExElNeT_: | i guess mythcommflag is working with some scoring model to combine all available methods. is there a way to adjust this scoring model? |
| [18:30:27] | justinh: | yup. dig into the source & patch it |
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| [18:30:34] | justinh: | there be dragons, beware |
| [18:31:31] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: so no config file, or mysql table... ;/ |
| [18:32:06] | justinh: | neope |
| [18:32:13] | justinh: | config file? lol |
| [18:32:23] | justinh: | this isn't some random windows app |
| [18:32:33] | sphery: | nothing in the registry? |
| [18:32:35] | justinh: | oh wait they use the registry |
| [18:32:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:32:50] | justinh: | the 200MB config file |
| [18:32:54] | sphery: | win.ini is so Windows 3.1... |
| [18:33:12] | sphery: | s/config file/single-point-of-failure/ |
| [18:33:52] | justinh: | it might be nice if somebody was to erm.. abstract out the commflagging stuff & make it more configurable & extensible |
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| [18:34:23] | justinh: | having it all hard-coded is a bit... black magic & voodoo |
| [18:34:55] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: yeah a bit... |
| [18:35:12] | justinh: | not that it's a big deal. why waste so many CPU cycles when you can just hit your 'skip' button & miss the ads without fail? |
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| [18:35:41] | justinh: | or 4 right arrow :) |
| [18:35:44] | justinh: | or 5 right arrow |
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| [18:36:01] | justinh: | better than auto commskip, whoops.. how far's it overshot? Whoah.. |
| [18:36:23] | justinh: | be nice if commercial TV would just FOAD |
| [18:37:45] | justinh: | "It would be nice |
| [18:37:46] | justinh: | to be able to turn on autoskip for the channels where commercial |
| [18:37:48] | justinh: | detection is good, and leave it off for the rest" |
| [18:38:01] | justinh: | myers. Somebody never heard of marking a channel commfree |
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| [18:44:55] | dustybin: | i have thought of name for theme: simplex |
| [18:44:58] | ExElNeT_: | well i would like a similar network to spam detection. sharing commercial cutlists would be cool |
| [18:45:44] | ExElNeT_: | low traffic high gain :=) |
| [18:46:17] | leprechau: | so...quick question if I have a package that builds mythtv itself from the .21-fixes branch ... will that work with plugins built from trunk or does the mythtv and plugins branches need to match? |
| [18:46:55] | justinh: | oh not this again. ffs. P2P commflagging is a major failed idea |
| [18:47:00] | wagnerrp: | the plugins MUST be compiled against the libraries from mythtv |
| [18:47:14] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: why? |
| [18:47:49] | wagnerrp: | the broadcaster and all the cablecos will all be slightly offset |
| [18:47:51] | justinh: | timing differences, yada yada yada yada |
| [18:48:06] | wagnerrp: | and its only good for a small geographic area |
| [18:48:22] | wagnerrp: | you would be able to share commflagging with the perhaps dozen people in your area on your cableco |
| [18:49:29] | ExElNeT_: | well it would be easy to recognize exactly 1 frame in the video source. this frame could be used to adjust the timing... or not? |
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| [18:49:44] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, okay...so if I am building my own mythtv and plugins myself...if I build mythtv from .21-fixes and plugins from trunk would that work? or would they fail? |
| [18:49:59] | dustybin: | here we go: http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/1092 |
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| [18:50:09] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: only if they run the same binary revision... which they dont |
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| [18:50:18] | wagnerrp: | you will have different APIs that they are hooking into |
| [18:50:39] | leprechau: | okay...so that answers it...the plugins and mythtv branch versions need to match |
| [18:50:42] | ultra-: | hey, does anybody here know a good home automation controller besides vera? |
| [18:50:46] | wagnerrp: | not to mention trunk runs qt4 |
| [18:50:50] | ultra-: | rather, recommend one |
| [18:50:53] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 runs qt3 |
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| [18:55:44] | ultra-: | is there a channel here that is more general talk about home automation? |
| [18:55:57] | ultra-: | not lmce |
| [18:56:24] | justinh: | maybe HA'ers meet in #reallife |
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| [18:57:28] | ultra-: | hmm, i'm banned from there but i've never been ther |
| [18:57:34] | ultra-: | must be some general ban |
| [18:58:05] | justinh: | there's #ukha in the UK, not on freenode though |
| [18:58:16] | ultra-: | efnet? |
| [18:58:29] | justinh: | nixhelp apparently |
| [18:58:37] | ultra-: | ok thanks |
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| [19:01:38] | justinh: | heh. "of course the day mythtv 0.22 is released their stupid svn server breaks". He means the day slashdot said it was released |
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| [19:04:26] | wagnerrp: | must be below my filter level |
| [19:04:42] | justinh: | you should see my search string. jees |
| [19:05:17] | justinh: | I found the people whose boxes are spamming today & asked them nicely to change the tag |
| [19:05:44] | justinh: | mythtv -"0.22 released" -japes_systems -mythtv_tmentele -puddles_pc -tvshowsrt -mykee98 -callmegar -ffluvsmythtv :) |
| [19:05:54] | DjMadness: | does anyone know what i can do about this ? "AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error" i dont actually care about the video getting small issues, but the sound issue comes out with loud noices. i am using dvb-c (mplayer seams to be handling it better so i am thinking i need to set something up in mythtv) |
| [19:06:44] | DjMadness: | a more detailed log is here: http://pastebin.ca/1663772 |
| [19:07:25] | honk: | sphery: thank you. :) |
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| [19:09:23] | antgel: | hi all. is gnome screensaver supposed to be disabled by myth? mine is kicking in after the 1 minute as set. yes, i could disable it, but i want it there for when the box isn't using myth |
| [19:10:51] | superm1: | there is a bug with newer gnome-screensaver versions that --poke isn't working |
| [19:10:57] | superm1: | it's not a myth bug, but a gnome-screensaver bug |
| [19:11:22] | superm1: | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/428884 |
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| [19:13:11] | Huijari: | gah, can't wait, i'm installing 0.22-fixes daily build packages |
| [19:13:31] | antgel: | superm1++ |
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| [19:21:00] | sphery: | honk: you're welcome... good luck--and let me know if you have any issues |
| [19:22:23] | justinh: | bah opengl over freenx :-( |
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| [19:24:15] | ctpaterson: | I've heard that "they" recommend I used ALSA to manage my sound on my system instead of PulseAudio. I've re-installed mythtv on top of Ubuntu 8.10...it's working well, but there are a couple of goofy behaviours with audio that I'm trying to work out. Should I attempt to wrestle PA to where it needs to be, or should I just jump ship and replace it with ALSA? |
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| [19:27:26] | antgel: | is the myth wiki down? |
| [19:27:51] | wagnerrp: | its being slashdotted |
| [19:28:38] | antgel: | ? |
| [19:28:52] | wagnerrp: | slashdot, its a geek website |
| [19:29:09] | kormoc: | antgel: it's under a lot of load and thus very slow/almost down, give it some time and it'll hopefully be back |
| [19:29:09] | antgel: | yeah, but how can a website be "slashdotted"? |
| [19:29:10] | wagnerrp: | they posted an article about 0.22, so all the geeks now hammer the myth webservers for the next day or two |
| [19:29:16] | antgel: | ahaha |
| [19:29:31] | justinh: | moronicles |
| [19:29:34] | ** kormoc guesses antgel is new ** | |
| [19:29:53] | antgel: | kormoc: EINCORRECT |
| [19:30:19] | antgel: | but i don't read slashdot, my real life is too hectic for such pursuits |
| [19:30:21] | kormoc: | being slashdotted was common back in the late 90's, seems silly for someone not new to not know what it means |
| [19:30:44] | antgel: | i don't conform |
| [19:30:50] | mag0o: | nor confirm |
| [19:30:55] | laga: | do you cut yourself? |
| [19:31:15] | antgel: | yes, but not intentionally |
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| [19:31:38] | antgel: | actually i cut myself with a screwdriver when building this mythbox |
| [19:32:21] | ** antgel takes advantage of google cache ** | |
| [19:33:00] | skd5aner: | antgel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect |
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| [19:34:05] | DjMadness: | antgel: quite easy... it gets posted to slashdot... and a few hundred thousand open the website at once reading about it, downloading etc. ;) |
| [19:34:36] | antgel: | so mythtv.org basically runs on a pile of shit :P |
| [19:34:52] | kormoc: | First. Language, watch it or be banned |
| [19:35:13] | kormoc: | Second, no, it's a pile of static html, not even dynamic, just too many connections at once for a single box to handle |
| [19:35:20] | DjMadness: | dunno... the line probally gets overloaded... not everyone has nice tbps lines ;) |
| [19:35:33] | kormoc: | Feel free to donate extra hardware if you want it to handle it better |
| [19:35:38] | antgel: | kormoc: :P means i'm jesting |
| [19:35:43] | ** antgel guesses kormoc is new ** | |
| [19:36:14] | kormoc: | I don't care if you were jesting or not, it was uncalled for and against channel policy |
| [19:36:49] | DjMadness: | feel free to put up some hardware your self for a mirror... i am quite sure the devs would not mind. |
| [19:37:29] | antgel: | jesus, i was joking. unfortunately i have no more spare hardware or resources to donate, than the average joe |
| [19:38:45] | laga: | if you do not know what the slashdot effect is, you're not qualified to judge web server hardware. one of the easy rules i live by. ;) |
| [19:38:53] | antgel: | i'd very much like to see myth have a higher profile, maybe 0.22 is going to do it |
| [19:38:59] | kormoc: | laga++ |
| [19:39:05] | justinh: | hey if p2p was ever gonna be useful surely web hosting would be ideal |
| [19:39:20] | justinh: | s/useful/truly\ legit |
| [19:39:22] | laga: | justinh: we should host the mythtv website using bittorrent over the nttps |
| [19:39:26] | laga: | err, nntps |
| [19:39:35] | skd5aner: | antgel – see, the internet is a bunch of tubes... |
| [19:39:37] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:39:42] | antgel: | *snort* |
| [19:39:51] | antgel: | s/tubes/tools/ |
| [19:39:54] | antgel: | can i say that? |
| [19:40:09] | Dubstar_04: | anyone got any tips for scanning dvb-t in the uk? the channels are all messed up!! |
| [19:40:21] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: winterhill huh |
| [19:40:29] | Dubstar_04: | yep |
| [19:40:29] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: see the -users list thread about it |
| [19:41:18] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406140 |
| [19:42:03] | antgel: | damn, the google cache isn't helping – perhaps it doesn't cache everything and needs to go straight to mythtv.org for bits |
| [19:42:15] | justinh: | gawd, that design feature in the screen size wizard isn't going unnoticed |
| [19:42:21] | kormoc: | Language... and click the 'text only' link in the upper right |
| [19:42:44] | justinh: | language warnings for 'damn' now? |
| [19:43:00] | ctpaterson: | antgel: cache isn't a mirror...you can use it for a page, but not to navigate. |
| [19:43:17] | kormoc: | justinh: it's considered by the FCC as a curse word |
| [19:43:18] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:43:27] | justinh: | seriously? lol |
| [19:43:33] | sphery: | antgel: Google cache also doesn't include images... Click on the "text-only version" link at the top |
| [19:43:43] | antgel: | wow, i've been popping in here for years on and off enjoyably, and now been warned twice in ten minutes for my potty mouth |
| [19:43:46] | justinh: | in a country where it's ok to buy all manner of weapon hardware at Walmart.. |
| [19:43:53] | antgel: | er, is potty allowed? |
| [19:43:55] | antgel: | kormoc: thanks |
| [19:44:01] | sphery: | but we have a 3-day waiting period... :) |
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| [19:44:23] | antgel: | ctpaterson: indeed, not working though |
| [19:44:24] | justinh: | I think even I could wait 3 days before gunning down a post office |
| [19:44:55] | skd5aner: | kormoc: I do not think "damn" is conisidered vulgar by any of their vulgarity rules, however g*d damn is |
| [19:44:57] | kormoc: | google's cache doesn't cache images, so they still try to load unless you click the 'text only' link |
| [19:45:07] | antgel: | a useful tip |
| [19:45:17] | kormoc: | skd5aner: that'd be silly, as the bleep the damn but not the god |
| [19:45:19] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:45:40] | sphery: | kormoc: I love it when the bleep the audio but don't bleep the captions :) |
| [19:45:41] | skd5aner: | I agree – but again, this is the FCC, didn't say it made sense :) |
| [19:46:03] | skd5aner: | and, on the radio, I hear lots of songs where they bleep out God, but not Damn |
| [19:46:06] | sphery: | I guess vulgarity rules are different for captions (or just aren't checked by the FCC :) |
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| [19:47:04] | justinh: | ahh I remember the user request for that $deity-bothering DVD censorship 'feature' over at mythtvtalk.com |
| [19:47:13] | whoDat_: | wonder why the google cache of mythtv.org is also unresponsive. isn't it supposed to be a cache? ;) |
| [19:47:15] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:47:18] | kormoc: | That was awesome |
| [19:47:29] | kormoc: | whoDat_: click the 'text only' link in the upper right... |
| [19:47:56] | justinh: | they really hated me suggesting that *they* did the parental control. still, be a great way to watch classic movies real fast. |
| [19:48:03] | whoDat_: | oh, so images are not cached. k |
| [19:48:10] | antgel: | roflmao |
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| [19:49:02] | sphery: | wow... 3 times in 4 minutes... |
| [19:49:03] | justinh: | how long would Reservoir Dogs be when it's played on the PuritanDVD player ? ;-) |
| [19:49:17] | kormoc: | twelve seconds |
| [19:49:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: lol |
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| [19:49:20] | sphery: | lots of repeating "Google cache doesn't cache images... click the text-only link" |
| [19:49:31] | kormoc: | "Mr. Green, Mr. Blue, Mr. Green, Mr. Orange" |
| [19:49:40] | justinh: | sphery: that's a glitch in the matrix. agents are massing |
| [19:49:47] | kormoc: | Mr. Black and Mr. Pink aren't allowed after all |
| [19:49:53] | ctpaterson: | "Why do I have to be Mr. Pink?" |
| [19:49:55] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:49:55] | ctpaterson: | roll credits |
| [19:49:59] | sphery: | too bad Neo isn't here... |
| [19:50:20] | justinh: | he could be, but I make him invisible with /ignore *Neo* |
| [19:50:27] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:50:39] | kormoc: | Smart man |
| [19:50:55] | ** sphery finally admitted he won't get around to making a "fix DB charset encoding corruption issues" script ** | |
| [19:50:58] | justinh: | I've never encountered any Neo* nick'd user who had ANY kind of clue whatsoever |
| [19:51:12] | sphery: | what a weight off my shoulders... |
| [19:51:29] | justinh: | sphery: fixing gentoo? yeah that'd be quite a job ;-) |
| [19:52:24] | kormoc: | Let them stay broken, if they can't fix it with the existing docs, they shouldn't be using Gentoo! |
| [19:52:36] | ** kormoc starts up the "Less Gentoo USers" movement ** | |
| [19:52:41] | sphery: | heh, was just planning to fix corrupt database data, but that was even too much |
| [19:53:17] | sphery: | kormoc: did you see the -dev list post about MythWeb and HTML5/XHTML |
| [19:53:24] | justinh: | guess I'd better not try to restore my 2003 DB backup then |
| [19:53:31] | kormoc: | sphery: nope? I've majorly behind |
| [19:53:42] | kormoc: | sphery: thread url? |
| [19:53:56] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/406628#406628 |
| [19:54:11] | sphery: | probably only thing really important for you to catch up on--it's the one that's offering help/patches :) |
| [19:54:19] | kormoc: | heh |
| [19:54:32] | kormoc: | Everything else is purely html 4 strict other then that single page... |
| [19:54:35] | sphery: | he's here, too -> Malard |
| [19:54:42] | kormoc: | Malard: Ping |
| [19:54:48] | sphery: | Malard, meet kormoc . kormoc, meet Malard .\ |
| [19:54:52] | justinh: | is html5 real? |
| [19:55:02] | kormoc: | justinh: it's mostly settled out, aye |
| [19:55:04] | justinh: | I mean supported by browsers n stuff |
| [19:55:14] | sphery: | justinh: I heard it will make it so that Hulu just works because it has a video tag... |
| [19:55:23] | justinh: | wow. the all-powerful tag |
| [19:55:31] | sphery: | (and the content owners will /never/ have second thoughts about losing their obfuscation/DRM) |
| [19:55:33] | justinh: | is that like python's 'import' thing? |
| [19:55:43] | sphery: | I think so |
| [19:55:55] | sphery: | It was probably designed by a snake, er, Python dev |
| [19:56:03] | kormoc: | justinh: it's about, oh... 2% supported |
| [19:56:08] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:56:14] | sphery: | and there's no specified video CODEC/container |
| [19:56:30] | sphery: | so different browsers choose different ones |
| [19:56:35] | kormoc: | Yup! |
| [19:56:41] | sphery: | I wonder if MS will choose Ogg Theora? |
| [19:56:44] | kormoc: | It's awesomely ineffective |
| [19:56:52] | justinh: | sigh. |
| [19:56:58] | kormoc: | sphery: nah, they settled on their own msmpeg-4 I believe |
| [19:57:06] | justinh: | the universe had high hopes for html5 too |
| [19:57:12] | justinh: | world+dog |
| [19:57:16] | sphery: | that's totally contrary to MS's entire history of supporting open standards |
| [19:57:19] | sphery: | strange |
| [19:57:22] | justinh: | moon on a stick etc |
| [19:57:40] | sphery: | justinh: I think with the Canvas you /could/ do a nice moon on a stick |
| [19:58:10] | Wicked: | damn slashdot! |
| [19:58:24] | Wicked: | ...websites still slow as heck |
| [19:59:01] | justinh: | I find heck offensive |
| [19:59:17] | Wicked: | lol? |
| [19:59:22] | Wicked: | how is heck offensive? |
| [19:59:42] | justinh: | it's the name of my religion's deity |
| [19:59:59] | sphery: | So, I hate Google's "auto-suggest" feature. I start to type something in the box, but my typing is faster than my reading, so by the time I read that the one just below the text box is the one I want, I hit down, enter. But, since it continually changes which is on top as you continue typing (figuring, oh, if he didn't select me when I was on top and added another character that still matches me, he must want something else), ... |
| [20:00:05] | sphery: | ... by the time I select what's on top, it's something else (usually wrong) |
| [20:00:20] | Dibblah: | ... Disable it, then. |
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| [20:00:33] | Dibblah: | "just log into the nice Google server" |
| [20:00:39] | sphery: | Dibblah: the problem is that I'd have to log in to do that |
| [20:00:40] | Wicked: | um your joking right justinh? sarcasm doesnt go well over irc |
| [20:00:41] | Dibblah: | Then we'll log all of your queries. |
| [20:00:47] | sphery: | exactly! |
| [20:00:56] | sphery: | Do no evil--other than being evil. |
| [20:00:56] | Dibblah: | Ahem – I mean, we'll allow you to save your preferences. |
| [20:01:01] | justinh: | Wicked: course I'm ****ing joking |
| [20:01:03] | justinh: | :) |
| [20:01:04] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:01:12] | sphery: | hecking joking? |
| [20:01:25] | Wicked: | of course thats what he means |
| [20:01:31] | justinh: | anyway T9 dictionary swearing/cursing is more fun |
| [20:01:55] | sphery: | Santa vaca! (for all you Penn & Teller fans out there) |
| [20:02:11] | justinh: | wish we could get Penn & Teller here |
| [20:02:26] | justinh: | nearest thing to them we have is Derren Brown |
| [20:02:41] | justinh: | and he's not funny or controversial (any more) |
| [20:02:53] | Wicked: | i love there show |
| [20:03:02] | justinh: | then again, Jon Stewart is going that way |
| [20:03:17] | Wicked: | cant you rent the dvds" |
| [20:03:44] | sphery: | justinh: you (having artistic abilities) should really do up a page on HTML 5 using <canvas> to make a moon on a stick ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial ) |
| [20:03:59] | sphery: | I'd read it :) |
| [20:03:59] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:04:19] | justinh: | I have enough distractions, what with trying to theme & all |
| [20:04:30] | sphery: | yeah, that's actually /far/ more appreciated, too |
| [20:04:43] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [20:04:48] | justinh: | er I mean trying to not theme because I said repeatedly how I'd *never* do it again, EVER |
| [20:04:49] | Dibblah: | Ah, Google. |
| [20:04:51] | Dibblah: | http://ubuntusatanic.org/ |
| [20:04:55] | Dibblah: | <nsfw> |
| [20:05:02] | Wicked: | i wish i was artistic....but i suck at graphics. |
| [20:05:04] | Dibblah: | Cute, though. |
| [20:05:12] | Wicked: | else id give the theming comp a go |
| [20:05:39] | justinh: | bump mapped wallpaper. mmmmm |
| [20:05:50] | Wicked: | was it in here someone was using http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html for pen testing? |
| [20:06:01] | Wicked: | hanna montana linux |
| [20:06:02] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:06:12] | Wicked: | best target system ive seen people use for pen testing. |
| [20:06:24] | justinh: | send in the trademark lawyers! |
| [20:07:58] | justinh: | hannah montanna & tux the special needs penguin. dear lord |
| [20:08:28] | Wicked: | LOL |
| [20:08:42] | sphery: | got DoS'ed by a W3C web page for the WhatWG spec |
| [20:08:51] | sphery: | stupid JavaScript graphics |
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| [20:10:06] | honk: | sphery: do I see this right? I have to set up pretty much everything from zero when doing a partial backup? including channels and storagegroups? |
| [20:10:13] | sphery: | yep |
| [20:10:16] | sphery: | it goes fast, though |
| [20:10:21] | Malard: | hello |
| [20:10:22] | honk: | no it doesnt |
| [20:10:24] | sphery: | first time is hard... 2nd time is much easier |
| [20:10:35] | honk: | It takes ages to set up the channels |
| [20:11:14] | justinh: | hrm. Need to make some images since we can't mask images with shapes yet |
| [20:11:39] | honk: | isnt there a way to just selectively empty the offending tables instead? |
| [20:11:53] | sphery: | honk: do a backup first and use the backup script to /also/ do an XMLTV id backup |
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| [20:12:41] | sphery: | honk: the problem is that all the data in the database is cross referenced from various other tables and you can actually have corruption that's not identified by the upgrade |
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| [20:13:57] | sphery: | honk: the XMLTV ID backup is just a sql script that restores XMLTV ID's to the channel with the same callsign as before. If your callsigns don't match up, there's additional information in the backup (plain text file) that you can use to create your own update. |
| [20:14:20] | honk: | yeah so basically I have to start all over |
| [20:14:36] | honk: | seriously.. worst upgrade experience ever ;) |
| [20:15:07] | sphery: | honk: out of curiosity, what distro are you now using for your MySQL server and have you ever used other distros in the past |
| [20:15:15] | sphery: | kormoc: FWIW, Malard has come back :) |
| [20:15:29] | kormoc: | Aye, we're chatting privately ;) |
| [20:15:47] | sphery: | cool... just making sure you found each other :) |
| [20:15:48] | honk: | gentoo. and I've never run the backend (including mysql) on any other system (same hardware, same distribution) |
| [20:15:49] | sphery: | thanks |
| [20:17:23] | ** honk masks 0.22 ** | |
| [20:18:55] | sphery: | Yeah, well, there was a MySQL configuration requirement that no one had identified prior to this upgrade and Gentoo is the distro that didn't meet that requirement, so it /will/ be a bad upgrade experience for users who ran with a "misconfigured" MySQL server. (Where "misconfigured" simply means that the database was configured in such a way as to corrupt MythTV data. This does not imply Gentoo did anything wrong as no one ... |
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| [20:19:02] | sphery: | ... took the time to figure out why there were problems with MythTV when used with databases hosted by Gentoo systems with MySQL installed with the default Gentoo configuration--which differed from the MySQL default configuration. Gentoo didn't do this to you. No one is to blame...) |
| [20:19:12] | sphery: | (hope that's enough disclaimers to prevent any further blog postings about how I'm blaming Gentoo) |
| [20:19:41] | honk: | sphery: I do realize what the problem is. but telling me to start over from zero is not a solution to that. |
| [20:19:49] | honk: | it's not even a workaround. it's just crap ;p |
| [20:20:49] | skd5aner: | does anyone know if you can power on/off an STB via firewire |
| [20:21:40] | kormoc: | depends on the STB |
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| [20:22:23] | skd5aner: | kormoc: SA3250HD – was able to just compile and get the channel changing script working from contrib |
| [20:22:30] | sphery: | honk: it's not starting from zero as you maintain all your not-recreatable data |
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| [20:22:45] | honk: | sphery: actually it is |
| [20:22:49] | sphery: | honk: and, yes, it's crap, but I--who do /not/ have the issue with my database--have put /too/ much time into fixing it already |
| [20:22:52] | honk: | all I retain is my recordings |
| [20:23:04] | sphery: | honk: and not a /single/ affected user has submitted any code to fix the broken databaswes |
| [20:23:30] | sphery: | honk: you retain recordings, recording metadata, and recording history |
| [20:23:37] | sphery: | honk: /everything/ else is recreatable |
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| [20:24:31] | honk: | which is starting over from zero and just keeping the files |
| [20:24:47] | sphery: | honk: /and/ it take a lot less of my time to have you just reconfigure than for me to create a releasable-quality application/script that fixes /every/ possible DB corruption issue as every single DB has a different usage history (meaning some may have used multiple differently-configured distros for their MySQL servers) |
| [20:24:49] | kormoc: | sphery, wagnerrp, oh hey, you guys are the ones always having the slow browser issues, care to pop over to kormoc.com and click the reader links on the right bar and let me know if it's smooth on your systems and overall feel? |
| [20:25:28] | honk: | sphery: yeah, that's why you have to drop storagegroups e.g. |
| [20:25:42] | honk: | they're totally gonna be crossrefereced ;P |
| [20:25:44] | honk: | whatever |
| [20:25:53] | sphery: | storagegroups is a tiny table |
| [20:26:00] | honk: | I'm fed up for today. and probably for the next year or so until gentoo drops the .21 packages out of portage |
| [20:26:05] | sphery: | how many groups and directories are you actually using? |
| [20:26:13] | honk: | who cares? |
| [20:26:26] | honk: | the question should be: why do they not get ported over? |
| [20:26:43] | honk: | yes, I can recreate that pretty easily. just like anything else. |
| [20:26:45] | sphery: | I could reconfigure my entire 2-dedicated-backends and 1-dedicated-frontend system in about 1hr |
| [20:26:48] | honk: | it'd take a day or two |
| [20:27:37] | sphery: | honk: if /someone/ writes code to fix all the possible problems created by silent corruption of DB data, I will be happy to patch Myth or add it to contrib or ... |
| [20:27:41] | sphery: | I just gave up--I don't have the time to do it myself |
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| [20:27:58] | honk: | sphery: I'm not blaming you personally :) |
| [20:28:39] | honk: | but not being your fault doesnt make it any better |
| [20:28:59] | sphery: | yeah, and I apologize for taking it personally... I just really don't like the fact that everyone's complaining and no one is stepping up to do anything about it |
| [20:29:12] | sphery: | and so I kind of feel like everyone else is expecting me to do it |
| [20:29:35] | honk: | yeah, that's what you get for writing "poke me in a mail" in a wiki artikel that explains how to fix it ;) |
| [20:29:44] | skd5aner: | sphery: the joys of open source! |
| [20:29:46] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:30:06] | sphery: | I'll admit there's some logic to my being a good candidate for doing it--as I have spent a ton of time getting to understanding it--but now, I don't have any more time to spend on that issue |
| [20:30:39] | honk: | well.. you might wanna spend some time on the howto.. adding that link and some explanations e.g. ;) |
| [20:30:48] | honk: | (if you dont wanna get as many users complaining =)) |
| [20:31:04] | ** laga expects fecal matter to start hitting the ventilation device ** | |
| [20:31:15] | laga: | honk: since you have plenty of time, why don't you just DIY? ;) |
| [20:31:33] | honk: | why? because I have to spend the next week or so reconfiguring my backend. sorry ;) |
| [20:31:46] | honk: | and all of that in between recordings, too ;P |
| [20:32:21] | sphery: | honk: if you do take the approach I recommend and do the partial restore, please let me know how long it really takes to get things up and running, again. |
| [20:32:36] | sphery: | I really think it will be a lot shorter than you expect |
| [20:32:48] | sphery: | and if it is, I'd really appreciate your telling others it's not as bad as it seems |
| [20:32:54] | honk: | yeah well, I wont do that |
| [20:33:04] | whoDat_: | Is there a good sight that lists QAM channels for time warner |
| [20:33:09] | honk: | I'll definitely go and dump the database manually and restore what seems to be safe |
| [20:33:15] | honk: | (channels, storagegroup, settings, ...) |
| [20:33:17] | ** sphery wonders how many people are making things worse by breaking their DB's instead of fixing them properly ** | |
| [20:33:58] | sphery: | and all because they /assume/ it will take too long to go through the 6 steps in mythtv-setup after doing a partial restore |
| [20:34:04] | ctpaterson: | sphery: as someone whose DB has silently corrupted a couple of times, and who dickers around to get it working again, I'd appreciate it if you could point me to what page you guys are talking about... |
| [20:34:30] | sphery: | once you do those 6 steps, the defaults for the frontend are fine for 99% of users and--even for those who want other defaults--can be used until you flip the switches you want to flip |
| [20:34:34] | honk: | sphery: you're the one who assumes that everyone gets proper channel metadata from their sources :] |
| [20:34:40] | honk: | I have to set up every single channel manually |
| [20:34:46] | honk: | cuz it just doesnt work |
| [20:36:23] | sphery: | honk: do an XMLTVID backup and look at all the useful data you get from the dump... you can use that to reconfigure your channels |
| [20:36:37] | honk: | ... |
| [20:36:47] | honk: | <honk> whatever |
| [20:36:50] | honk: | <honk> I'm fed up for today. and probably for the next year or so until gentoo drops the .21 packages out of portage |
| [20:37:12] | honk: | I'll definitely not mess with my backend in such a profound way on a weekday |
| [20:37:33] | messerting: | So, I've just added a new harddrive to my backend (jfs in a lvg). Can I simply add a new storage group and point the new drive, and everything will go smooth? :) |
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| [20:38:03] | shadash: | WooHooo Release Release Release |
| [20:38:30] | shadash: | now will work like magic! |
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| [20:38:37] | shadash: | everything |
| [20:38:49] | sphery: | honk: or, for ATSC channels, you can do: ysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -Be 'SELECT CONCAT('\''UPDATE channel SET xmltvid ="'\'',CONCAT(xmltvid, CONCAT('\''" WHERE atsc_major_chan = "'\'', CONCAT(atsc_major_chan, '\''" AND atsc_minor_chan = "'\'', CONCAT(atsc_minor_chan, '\''";'\''))))) AS "-- xmltvid backup" FROM channel;' |
| [20:39:09] | sphery: | or make your own "backup" of xmltvid's for non-ATSC channels |
| [20:39:28] | honk: | sphery: like I said.. not today |
| [20:39:36] | honk: | I'll tell you how long it took though :} |
| [20:39:38] | shadash: | Question... Is wifi able to be used for HD between a frontend and a backend? (Small 3 room condo) |
| [20:40:08] | ctpaterson: | shadash: wifi what? I run wireless G and it struggles with SD... |
| [20:40:16] | sphery: | likely no... with N, possibly, with G will be on the edge of usable (if you don't mind occasional issues) and with b, never |
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| [20:40:39] | shadash: | interesting |
| [20:40:52] | sphery: | though even with N, you're better off just going wired--as then you won't have issues due to random signal issues |
| [20:40:57] | shadash: | will this help? dd-wrt |
| [20:41:07] | ctpaterson: | shadash: No |
| [20:41:28] | sphery: | and, especially if you have multiple systems passing the HD data, wireless won't work (as, TTBOMK, it's basically shared bandwidth for all clients) |
| [20:42:25] | shadash: | ugh... Wireless is my only option other than ethernet over coax |
| [20:43:02] | shadash: | no attic to run wires through. So unless I want to rip appart walls... |
| [20:43:56] | Dibblah: | Take up fishing. |
| [20:44:03] | ctpaterson: | shadash: You could try N and compress your stuff...but it's still something of a crapshoot, and kinda rules out Live TV. |
| [20:44:29] | ctpaterson: | shadash: I think my G would do better but for the dozen or so other networks I see bouncing around the air. |
| [20:44:42] | shadash: | I've seen that mplayer can buffer if needed |
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| [20:45:07] | Dibblah: | mplayer can buffer if told. |
| [20:45:12] | shadash: | wifi needs to be faster |
| [20:46:30] | Dibblah: | wifi is plenty fast. |
| [20:46:36] | Dibblah: | It needs to be more resilient. |
| [20:47:16] | shadash: | obviously it's not fast enough to push HD from a frontend to a backend |
| [20:47:34] | Dibblah: | "obviously"? |
| [20:47:50] | shadash: | according to sphery |
| [20:47:58] | jstgtpaid: | can mythtv use the IR blaster on the hauppauge 1212? |
| [20:48:03] | Dibblah: | It _can_ be. |
| [20:49:34] | shadash: | Is it possible to bond two different ethernet connections to two wifi routers then receive at another system? |
| [20:49:39] | sphery: | there was a lot more to my response |
| [20:49:57] | shadash: | yea but the gist was it's not a good idea |
| [20:50:07] | sphery: | but I wouldn't use wifi for HDTV/myth--especially with multiple myth systems involved |
| [20:50:14] | sphery: | yeah, I'll agree with that gist |
| [20:50:16] | shadash: | I'm not looking for something to tinker with |
| [20:50:36] | sphery: | shadash: there's also the idea of running cables around walls if you don't want to go into them |
| [20:50:58] | shadash: | too easy |
| [20:52:18] | sphery: | I ran mine through (though I had an attic, so it was easier) |
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| [20:56:41] | Huijari: | damn, mythtv.org is running damn slow |
| [20:57:04] | Huijari: | s/damn/awfully/2 |
| [20:57:26] | skd5aner: | OK – got a question for you regarding using a data source for 2 different kinds of inputs |
| [20:57:53] | shadash: | sphery: Have you ever heard of nic bonding 2 different wifi routers between a fe + be? |
| [20:58:09] | shadash: | would that double the speed? |
| [20:58:12] | skd5aner: | One tuner, QAM – scanned for the channels, and have the datasource tied to that input and added the XMLTV IDs and callsigns |
| [20:58:13] | sphery: | haven't heard anyone talk of doing that |
| [20:58:43] | sphery: | I feel wifi is only useful for web browsing and e-mail, though--anything where network reliability is important, I keep as far away from wifi as possible. |
| [20:58:46] | skd5aner: | second tuner is an HD-PVR, that is recording from my STB – can I use the SAME datasource, but import the channels from schedules direct? Or do I need to use a different data source? |
| [20:59:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: a Video Source in myth is simply a list of channels available to an input. |
| [21:00:24] | sphery: | skd5aner: so if your list of QAM channels is identical to the channels you get from the HD-PVR, you use the exact same video source (/not/ another video source using the same schedules direct lineup, but the same video source) |
| [21:00:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: if any channels differ, you /must/ have separate video sources |
| [21:01:08] | skd5aner: | hmmmmm – so, I think they differ, let me try to clarify why I think that |
| [21:01:09] | sphery: | skd5aner: if the channels are all available on the same lineup but some are DRM'ed or whatever, you need 2 different video sources |
| [21:01:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: /but/ you can use the same Schedules Direct lineup on both video sources |
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| [21:01:47] | sphery: | i.e. the DRM'ed ones are only available to the HD-PVR |
| [21:01:58] | sphery: | then the list of channels is different |
| [21:02:12] | skd5aner: | k – let me do a little thinking about this before I ask the next question :) |
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| [21:02:28] | sphery: | :) |
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| [21:03:51] | skd5aner: | sphery: right now I have 2 video sources |
| [21:04:02] | skd5aner: | Analog and Digital |
| [21:04:26] | skd5aner: | Analog shows my "basic" cable lineup, and I use it for my analog tuners (250s and 500s) |
| [21:04:46] | sphery: | and each video source uses a separate TV lineup at schedules direct? |
| [21:04:58] | skd5aner: | yes, correct |
| [21:05:03] | sphery: | sounds good so far |
| [21:05:47] | skd5aner: | Digital, for now, shows my entire digital lineup – basically ALL channels the provider has and is used for my QAM tuners (HD5000s) |
| [21:05:53] | skd5aner: | been setup that way for a couple of years, no problmes |
| [21:06:21] | skd5aner: | Just added an HDHR a few days ago too :) |
| [21:06:47] | skd5aner: | anyway, used the channel scanner to scan for the 20 or so QAM channels I have, then manually added the callsign and XMLTVID for those channels |
| [21:07:05] | skd5aner: | the channel number does NOT align to the listing, it's something like 225–7 |
| [21:07:17] | skd5aner: | which might align to the listing as 225, for example |
| [21:07:39] | skd5aner: | I don't know if it's appropriate to change the channum for the QAM tuners or not |
| [21:07:53] | skd5aner: | So – that's everything I have used for a couple years now |
| [21:08:11] | sphery: | if the way the channels is tuned differs, you can't share video source, either |
| [21:08:33] | sphery: | so since the HD-PVR almost certainly uses an external channel change script, you'll need a different video source for it |
| [21:08:36] | skd5aner: | At this point, I want to add my HD-PVR to my STB, using firewire to change channels – got the firewire channel changer working fine, but now I'm trying to understand how I should use my sources |
| [21:08:53] | skd5aner: | someone at the door, brb |
| [21:09:15] | shadash: | sphery: using multiple wifi routers and bonding 2 ethernet connections on both the FE and BE is possible. http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/stati . . . er-howto.php section 13.2. Looks like the technique is used in clusters. I'm surprised nobodies tried it with wifi |
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| [21:09:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: and, since the HD-PVR might be able to get more channels than the QAM tuners (which only get unencrypted digital) get, you'll likely need another video source for it, anyway. Though you /can/ re-use the Schedules Direct lineup in it and it will only download once. |
| [21:10:16] | sphery: | shadash: I should mention when I said I've never heard of anyone doing that, I meant specifically in a Myth context. I really haven't investigated whether anyone has done it in other contexts. |
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| [21:12:07] | skd5aner: | sphery: OK, thanks – so I'm good on the SD side of it, but within myth I can create another video source, and tie it to the exhisting SD lineup, then use the source for the HD-PVR |
| [21:12:23] | mersault: | Quick Jamu Question: If I'm moving files around with the -M flag, and a file already exists, will jamu overwrite the file? |
| [21:13:31] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Do you mean the file already exists in the destination move directory? |
| [21:13:38] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, yes. |
| [21:13:50] | mersault: | specifically, a file of the same name. |
| [21:13:54] | sphery: | skd5aner: exactly |
| [21:14:49] | mersault: | I have a few shows where I have an SD and an HD copy of it. If I've previously run used the -MF switch, then they'll have the same filename. If I now merge the directories, do I need to make sure to mv the SD files first, so the HD ones will remain? |
| [21:14:55] | defaultro: | help folks, I'm confused on nvidia cards on newegg. Some cards say OpenGL 2.1 and some cards shows OpenGL 3.0. What is that? |
| [21:15:11] | tmkt: | how often does jamy run anyhow? |
| [21:15:56] | sphery: | defaultro: Myth doesn't do much with OpenGL--and really nothing going beyond OpenGL 2.1. |
| [21:16:12] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I will give that a quick test and get back to you. When I have HD versions and transcoded version I pit them in different sub directories. |
| [21:16:27] | defaultro: | k |
| [21:16:28] | sphery: | the OpenGL video renderer might eventually use some OpenGL 3.0 stuff (really OpenGL 2.1 with a couple of extensions that are made mandatory in 3.0), but it's not a well-loved renderer |
| [21:16:34] | skd5aner: | sphery: I guess the only question I have is so long as the XMLTVID is the same, the scheduler will understand that it's the same network rather than multiple showings? |
| [21:16:37] | sphery: | and generally you're better off never touching it |
| [21:16:53] | sphery: | skd5aner: s/xmltvid/callsign/ |
| [21:17:02] | sphery: | skd5aner: in Myth, same callsign = same channel |
| [21:17:04] | skd5aner: | both, that's what I mean |
| [21:17:09] | skd5aner: | oh – ok, my bad |
| [21:17:27] | RDV_Linux: | tmkt: Assuming you are not using Mythbuntu Jamu will run at the frequency you set up a cron job |
| [21:17:39] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, I have been doing that, but it's getting messy. I've decided to merge SD and HD together. I've got "SD" rips that look better than "HD" rips, etc, so there's no point in separating based on resolution. |
| [21:17:40] | sphery: | yeah, the xmltvid is irrelevant to scheduling--though it is used in listings population, which are used in scheduling--it's just the callsign that needs to be the same |
| [21:18:09] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I still need to do a test to give you a definitive answer. |
| [21:18:29] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, okay, I'll hold off on any series with overlapping files for now. |
| [21:18:38] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks – going off to play and set this thing up, I'll report back in a few |
| [21:18:44] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [21:21:30] | tmkt: | ah..using mythbuntu |
| [21:21:58] | tmkt: | RDV_Linux: so how often does it run on mythbuntu? |
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| [21:23:56] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I did a test and the file you are moving WILL overwrite a file with the same name in the destination directory. Therefore use with caution. |
| [21:24:35] | tmkt: | hourly it seems |
| [21:25:04] | sphery: | So, my replacement-computer parts were just delivered--and to my astonishment, newegg /still/ doesn't have the 45W dual-core AMD procs in stock. I really expected them to become available right after I settled on a 65W. |
| [21:25:14] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: Jamu has many functionalities, and mythbuntu runs them at varying intervals |
| [21:25:33] | iamlindoro: | the hourly is likely only to be the "Watch Recording" polling, nothing to do with MythVideo |
| [21:26:04] | tmkt: | the mythvideo cronjob running jamu cron.hourly |
| [21:26:09] | tmkt: | but definitly must be off |
| [21:26:14] | RDV_Linux: | tmkt: Mythbuntu has three Jamu cron jobs option (-MW) updates your Scheduled and Recorded graphics hourly, (-M) maintenance hours once a day, (-MJ) Janitor runs once a week, |
| [21:26:25] | tmkt: | takes a week or so for stuff to get updated |
| [21:26:25] | tmkt: | ah |
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| [21:27:26] | sphery: | kormoc: btw--I got distracted in other conversations--those Reader links seem to work fine for me. It's really only the JS-pushing-graphics that's slow on my system. And, now it's not as bad because I have a /much/ more powerful processor (Athlon X2 5050e compared to Sempron 3300+), 4GB RAM (compared to 512MB), and actually have the ATI proprietary drivers installed (until I get a project done which my replacement computer ... |
| [21:27:33] | sphery: | ... will allow me to do without preventing my working on Myth :) |
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| [21:28:20] | kormoc: | sphery: heh, fair 'nuff |
| [21:28:20] | RDV_Linux: | tmkt: Once you manually run a Jamu -MI session to do a mass update of your metadata and graphics, you should use MythVideo 'w' to update newly added videos. |
| [21:28:22] | sphery: | kormoc: for example, http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ DoS'ed my box until 5min after I clicked the X on the window in which I opened the page. |
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| [21:29:17] | sphery: | even my X input was broken--I'd hit a key and the release event would get processed long after the actual release causing keys to repeat 30 times or whatever |
| [21:29:24] | kormoc: | sphery: that *slaughters* my browser... wow... |
| [21:29:42] | sphery: | (I'm using all the premptible stuff--won't be on my next kernel)) |
| [21:29:55] | ]Oscar: | I'm going crazy trying to compile mythvideo: http://pastebin.com/m7748acf0 |
| [21:29:58] | skd5aner: | sphery: mind if I ask you another question, this time regaring input groups? Is this anything I should consider using (for any reason)? |
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| [21:30:09] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, cool. will move with caution (basically, do the SD shows first, then the HD ones over top) |
| [21:30:23] | sphery: | kormoc: so, maybe WhatWG should be WhatTF? |
| [21:30:25] | skd5aner: | I think the answer is that it's not needed |
| [21:30:53] | iamlindoro: | ]Oscar: MythTV .22 doesn't compile against Qt3... bu you're trying |
| [21:30:55] | iamlindoro: | er but |
| [21:30:57] | RDV_Linux: | tmkt: The Jamu (-M) maintenance really only picks up the stray graphic or metadata for videos you already updated through MythVideo or the initial mass update. |
| [21:30:57] | iamlindoro: | "Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b)" |
| [21:31:06] | iamlindoro: | "root@oscar-be:~/mythtv/release-0-22-fixes/mythplugins# export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3" |
| [21:31:08] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
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| [21:31:29] | iamlindoro: | You need to be using qmake from Qt4 and if exporting a Qtdir is necessary, it needs to be Qt4. |
| [21:31:38] | ]Oscar: | iamlindoro: but in makefile there are many call to qt3 stuff,... isn't it? |
| [21:31:40] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Yes move with caution. |
| [21:32:03] | iamlindoro: | ]Oscar: The makefil is generated at compile time-- it refers to Qt3 stuff because you're trying to use qmake from qt3 |
| [21:32:19] | ]Oscar: | I tryed to remove all qt3 libs from system... but got errors like "file not found" looking for qt3... |
| [21:32:29] | ]Oscar: | uhm,... |
| [21:32:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: you'd only need input groups if recording from one input made recording from another impossible. For example, if you have found that your STB outputs HDTV via Component, but only for some channels, but outputs SDTV via composite for all channels to which you subscribe, then you might set up a PVR-150 to record from the same STB using Composite inputs as you have connected to the HD-PVR using Component inputs. Then, ... |
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| [21:32:45] | mersault: | If I want jamu to pick up graphics it failed to pick up the first time (for instance, images.thetvdb.com was not returning images for a while, etc), what switches would be best? -MUd |
| [21:32:46] | ]Oscar: | the makefile is generated with qmake? |
| [21:32:46] | sphery: | ... recording from the HD-PVR (and using that STB) would prevent recording from the PVR-150 using that STB, so you'd put both those inputs in a group together |
| [21:33:06] | iamlindoro: | ]Oscar: Yes. |
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| [21:33:47] | ]Oscar: | so, i can remove all qt3 again from system, do a distclean (in mythplugin), redo configure and qmake, right? |
| [21:33:58] | iamlindoro: | You ran qt3's qmake against the .pro file (which you never should do in the first place), which produced a broken makefile, which produced a broken compile |
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| [21:34:01] | skd5aner: | sphery: k – I was able to pull up the documenation via google cache – so that confirmed my assumptions, thx |
| [21:34:06] | iamlindoro: | Don't use qmake at all |
| [21:34:07] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: switches "-MV" which is regular maintenance that I have just discussed with tmkt |
| [21:34:29] | iamlindoro: | ./configure --disable-all --enable-mythvideo |
| [21:34:30] | iamlindoro: | mak |
| [21:34:31] | iamlindoro: | make |
| [21:34:34] | iamlindoro: | that's it |
| [21:34:43] | sphery: | ]Oscar: to fix it you'll have to fix the problem (i.e. make it use Qt4) /and/ make distclean in your working copy /and/ run: find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R . |
| [21:34:51] | skd5aner: | j0scar: as iamlindoro said, don't use qmake – I learned this the other day, it was the OLD OLD OLD way of doing it |
| [21:34:52] | ]Oscar: | distclean is enought to clean all? |
| [21:34:57] | ]Oscar: | ok |
| [21:35:14] | iamlindoro: | ]Oscar: *usually* enough to distclean, but you may have to searh for and rm the Makefiles if it's not |
| [21:35:19] | sphery: | not enough--need the extra find -delete/svn revert |
| [21:35:24] | ]Oscar: | sorry, but in alll readme that's the way to compile it :( |
| [21:35:31] | sphery: | in the event you did a qt3 compile it's not enough |
| [21:35:33] | ]Oscar: | sphery: ok |
| [21:35:33] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Make sure you sync you as jamu had a committed change which should eliminate the graphic download issues with tvdb |
| [21:36:07] | RDV_Linux: | s/sync you/sync up/ |
| [21:36:22] | sphery: | sync you very much |
| [21:36:37] | iamlindoro: | But it's such a time sync |
| [21:36:44] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, yeah, I found a forum thread and was linked to a more recent copy. I'm running mythbuntu, but don't see an updated mythvideo package. |
| [21:37:35] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: I have the answer for you use these Mythbuntu PPA: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [21:38:26] | shadash: | iamlindoro: have you heard of anyone bonding 2 different wifi routers for additional speed from a BE to a FE? |
| [21:38:27] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Those are nightly builds that include all 0.22+fixes |
| [21:38:28] | skd5aner: | sphery: can you clarify re: "extra find -delete/svn revert"? Are you saying make clean/make distclean isn't sufficient when doing and svn up and recompiling? |
| [21:38:54] | iamlindoro: | shadash: Nope |
| [21:39:22] | skd5aner: | s/and/an |
| [21:39:25] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: He's saying once you have attempted to compile against qt3, certain Makefiles are wedged in there |
| [21:39:30] | ]Oscar: | it's going on! its' compilig! :) thanks a lot! :) |
| [21:39:33] | shadash: | I think it can be done. But I can't find any documentation on it anywhere |
| [21:39:43] | shadash: | for wifi bonding specifically |
| [21:39:45] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ok, in that use case – got it |
| [21:39:49] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, ah yeah, I forgot I hadn't enabled the daily repo's on my new system (I did a fresh install rather than an upgrade) |
| [21:39:49] | iamlindoro: | ]Oscar: yup |
| [21:40:20] | sphery: | skd5aner: if you've done a compile in a working copy using Qt3 and you have a version of MythTV in your working copy that requires Qt4, make distclean isn't enough. There are some Makefiles that are left after make distclean that need to be removed |
| [21:40:27] | laga: | there is no daily repo for mythbuntu AFAIK |
| [21:40:32] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: That link came from the Mythbuntu developers and they suggested I pass it on. |
| [21:40:54] | iamlindoro: | laga: They're referred to as daily on the site now |
| [21:40:58] | iamlindoro: | (I know they used to be weekly) |
| [21:40:59] | laga: | oh? |
| [21:41:00] | laga: | neat |
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| [21:41:16] | sphery: | could probably be fixed with a) some effort and b) some qmake/.pro foo, but not that important as it will only likely affect users for this release |
| [21:41:35] | iamlindoro: | laga: Actually, I go to check now and it looks like daily has been changed again to "auto" |
| [21:41:42] | laga: | iamlindoro: snicker ;) |
| [21:41:46] | mersault: | Heh, I actually helped superm1 with figuring out how to get the repo to go daily instead of weekly :) |
| [21:41:47] | iamlindoro: | But I promise it *was* daily pre-.22 :) |
| [21:41:48] | RDV_Linux: | laga: I pointed out they still a reference to 0.21 and they fixed that this morning, |
| [21:41:53] | sphery: | now, I'm really leaving to build my replacement computer and reshuffle my network to get back to fully functional |
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| [21:45:47] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, another jamu question: how does it handle srt or sub files? does it handle them at all? |
| [21:46:31] | Huijari: | does anyone know of a svn.mythtv.org mirror? :P |
| [21:46:44] | iamlindoro: | there is none |
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| [21:48:08] | Huijari: | i found http://git.jannau.net/git/mythtv/ but i'm not able to git clone it |
| [21:48:29] | iamlindoro: | That is not a mirror |
| [21:48:38] | justinh: | blimmin inkscape getting the better of me |
| [21:48:47] | skd5aner: | Huijari: to the best of my knowledge, that's Janne's private dev tree, and would have patches in it outside of what is in trunk |
| [21:49:08] | stevieman: | last night I spent some time downloading meta-data for my movies and tv shows in mythvideo, today I noticed that all the data I had downloaded was lost. I can't find anything in the logs that might explain this. Is this something I should be concerned with? |
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| [21:49:45] | Huijari: | skd5aner: iamlindoro: ok. not that it matters as i can't clone it anyway :P |
| [21:50:23] | Huijari: | i already updated my frontend, but i guess i have to downgrade it and wait for a few days |
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| [21:50:48] | laga: | Huijari: just get the 0.22 tarball |
| [21:51:36] | iamlindoro: | stevieman: Mythbuntu? |
| [21:52:46] | janneg: | Huijari: stupid gitosis deleting/not generating git-daemon-export-ok |
| [21:53:19] | janneg: | and please use http://git.jannau.net/git/mythtv.complete/ |
| [21:53:26] | Huijari: | janneg: yeah, i figured you don't necessarily want it to be public :) |
| [21:53:27] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: The only time jamu will deal with a srt or sub files is id they are in a directory you are moving. Jamu does nothing related to metadata with those files. |
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| [21:53:46] | RDV_Linux: | s/id/if/ |
| [21:53:50] | Huijari: | but i guess i'll go with the tarball |
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| [21:54:27] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, but if I am moving them in a directory, will jamu mv and rename them similarly to their parent file? Specifically if I use the -MF options? |
| [21:54:53] | janneg: | Huijari: it's not fully public but if you want to develop and prfer git over svn please use it |
| [21:54:56] | RDV_Linux: | stevieman: Did you upgrade to Mythbuntu? |
| [21:55:47] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: move but NOT rename |
| [21:56:07] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, okay, cool. feature request? :) |
| [21:56:07] | wagnerrp: | well our admin was at the cluster to fix our internet |
| [21:56:19] | wagnerrp: | turns out the reason it had failed was because he set up some network logging tool |
| [21:56:20] | janneg: | I'm pretty sure the server won't handle the load if everyone wanting a mythtv svn checkout uses it instead |
| [21:56:35] | wagnerrp: | and after two months or so of logging, the logs had filled the hard drive and the system ceased to function |
| [21:56:59] | wagnerrp: | so the system functioning as our router refused to route |
| [21:57:29] | mersault: | logrotation ftw |
| [21:57:42] | RDV_Linux: | mersault: Right now I have other priorities than adding more features to jamu, sorry |
| [21:57:48] | Huijari: | janneg: nah. i'm just trying to install 0.22 and the easiest way would've been using an svn mirror (there's a mythtv-svn PKGBUILD available for arch linux, but not one using the tarball. i'll probably make my own PKGBUILD then) |
| [21:58:00] | wagnerrp: | not logging several GB of data with no intention of looking at it ftw |
| [21:58:36] | mersault: | RDV_Linux, understood. is there a trac or something so I can lodge it and forget about it, in case someone else (with more python experience than I) decides to take a crack at it? |
| [21:58:55] | wagnerrp: | mersault: svn.mythtv.org (once the server comes back online) |
| [21:59:00] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [21:59:09] | iamlindoro: | we don't take feature requests at svn.mythtv.org |
| [21:59:10] | wagnerrp: | if its a bug, stick it there |
| [21:59:15] | wagnerrp: | if its a feature request, put it on the wiki |
| [22:01:30] | mersault: | would intelligently handling srt and sub files be a bug or feature? moving a directory of movies and having jamu format them for you only to lose all your subtitles would be a bug in my world. |
| [22:02:26] | wagnerrp: | if jamu moves files, it should move any matching images and subtitles |
| [22:03:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: when you dont have image folders specified, and mythvideo stores the images in the videos folder |
| [22:03:19] | wagnerrp: | does it store them next to the video? or does it store them at the root of the folder? |
| [22:03:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Root of the video folder, I beleive |
| [22:03:45] | iamlindoro: | mersault: Feature request |
| [22:03:51] | wagnerrp: | ah, so it should only worry about subtitles |
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| [22:04:06] | mersault: | right, so for instance I just moved 'Legendary Weapons of China.avi' and 'Legendary Weapons of China.srt'. They became 'Legendary Weapons of China (1982).avi' and 'Legendary Weapons of China.srt', thus the subtitles won't work until I manually intervene |
| [22:04:24] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [22:04:29] | iamlindoro: | mersault: And hoping for Jamu to do so is a feature request-- it is not a bug |
| [22:04:37] | mersault: | okay |
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| [22:07:30] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: If the moved files were already in MythVideo then any existing metadata will be preserved. He is talking about moving and renaming the videos. |
| [22:08:14] | iamlindoro: | Youch, looks like the guy who is writing is own MythVideo metadata script puts a full URL in the inetref. How splendidly broken. |
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| [22:09:00] | iamlindoro: | Nothing like writing a script that makes all metadata grabbing broken in MythVideo |
| [22:09:05] | laga: | iamlindoro: not at all. using UR(L|I)S to describe resources is kinda what they were made for. it's probably not very usable, though ;) |
| [22:09:19] | iamlindoro: | laga: Uhhh that's *not* what the inetref field is for |
| [22:09:31] | laga: | iamlindoro: what is it for? |
| [22:09:45] | iamlindoro: | It's for a serialized id number such as IMDB number |
| [22:09:56] | laga: | is the grabber where it came from also stored? |
| [22:09:59] | iamlindoro: | putting anything else there prevents the grabber scripts from working |
| [22:10:01] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [22:10:43] | wagnerrp: | its for feeding to the script, if the script can handle using a full URL, it shouldnt matter should it? |
| [22:10:51] | iamlindoro: | laga: And said script is *not* a grabber script, it's more like a very broken Jamu |
| [22:10:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: because it's a mass update script, not a grabber |
| [22:11:10] | wagnerrp: | so hes just retarded |
| [22:11:15] | iamlindoro: | Meaning it inserts information that breaks *actual* grabbers |
| [22:11:23] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [22:12:06] | mersault: | I'm not familiar with the schema, but is there a field for storing a general URI for where the data came from or where the inetref is useful? |
| [22:12:30] | wagnerrp: | there are two grabbers, one for use with data with season/episode, and one otherwise |
| [22:12:39] | wagnerrp: | so effectively, you can choose one for movies, and one for tv |
| [22:12:43] | iamlindoro: | mersault: No, the URL is of no help |
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| [22:13:00] | iamlindoro: | there is no reason for it to be there, it is simply a matter of the script author having no idea what he is doing |
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| [22:13:10] | mersault: | in case someone ever tries to mount a real challenge to imdb, it would be nice to be able to know which resource the inetref it used with. |
| [22:13:47] | wagnerrp: | if you change the grabber to scrape a page given on the command line, and store the page URL in the inetref field, it will work |
| [22:13:54] | wagnerrp: | mersault: themoviedb.org |
| [22:14:13] | wagnerrp: | however for that site, and thetvdb.com, a URL is completely worthless |
| [22:14:28] | iamlindoro: | exactly-- data is grabbed through the API, not scraped from pages |
| [22:14:30] | wagnerrp: | because they work against an API completely detached from the website |
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| [22:14:48] | wagnerrp: | the only good a URL would do would be if you wanted to link mythvideo with mythbrowser |
| [22:15:55] | RDV_Linux: | I check his grabber out and I thought his auto download of subtitles was interesting. |
| [22:16:25] | sphery: | Thanks to NBC's cancelling Trauma, resolving tonight's conflict was a breeze. |
| [22:16:34] | iamlindoro: | He does a fair number of non-ToS compliant things, last time I looked any way |
| [22:16:41] | wagnerrp: | cancelled so quickly? |
| [22:16:45] | wagnerrp: | arent they only a few episodes in? |
| [22:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Need to check that again and if he's still trying to use IMDB then I'll delete the wiki page |
| [22:16:52] | sphery: | (even though NBC is airing all 13 episodes they've made, why waste a tuner recording something that's cancelled if they won't complete the story) |
| [22:17:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, less than a month in they cancelled it, but have said they'll air all 13 episodes they made |
| [22:17:22] | sphery: | http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_d . . . 16f920ec3a01 |
| [22:17:36] | sphery: | good news on chuck, though :) |
| [22:17:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, another full season |
| [22:19:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that might be an useful addition to the metadata grabber spec |
| [22:19:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [22:19:28] | wagnerrp: | feed it a inetref, get back a webpage to open in mythbrowser |
| [22:20:16] | iamlindoro: | hmm... I'll give that some thought... would probably not be too terrible |
| [22:21:16] | iamlindoro: | I figured out how to (and have done some of the work towards) cleanly more to TMDB numbers, so that should be doable in .23 |
| [22:21:17] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine it would amount to much code, mythnews does that already doesnt it? |
| [22:21:23] | iamlindoro: | er s/more/move/ |
| [22:23:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It wouldn't be too much code, no |
| [22:23:20] | iamlindoro: | doable in an afternoon |
| [22:23:45] | iamlindoro: | better to just have the result returned in the -D query, though |
| [22:24:08] | iamlindoro: | No reason to do another query when it all comes back with the initial API query |
| [22:24:22] | justinh: | ahhh can't remember how to draw non-sucky rounded triangles now |
| [22:24:33] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [22:27:59] | justinh: | iamlindoro: any ideas how I did the little triangles in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/stuff/concept2.png ? ;-) |
| [22:28:38] | justinh: | still have the original svg somewhere. somewhere |
| [22:28:43] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Start tool, 3 points, then increase the rounded box to the right of the points dropdown? |
| [22:28:47] | iamlindoro: | er Star tool |
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| [22:29:15] | iamlindoro: | (it's just to the right of the points dropdown in .47, anyway) |
| [22:29:18] | justinh: | nope |
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| [22:30:33] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [22:30:36] | iamlindoro: | Works fine here |
| [22:30:41] | iamlindoro: | just created one just like your example |
| [22:30:51] | justinh: | makes them look all rounded & crap in 0.47 here |
| [22:31:47] | simonckenyon: | is svn down again? |
| [22:32:05] | wagnerrp: | expect it to be down/slow for the next couple days |
| [22:32:16] | mersault: | how 'bout the wiki? |
| [22:32:24] | wagnerrp: | all the same computer |
| [22:32:43] | dustybin: | justinh: in illustrator, create a custom shape with 3 sides, then select effects stylize > rounded corners :D |
| [22:33:03] | sphery: | and the mailing list mail server--same computer |
| [22:33:22] | wagnerrp: | surprised the mail server has found enough resources to stay online |
| [22:33:28] | mersault: | oh, geez. alright then. |
| [22:33:44] | sphery: | I just got a reply from a user saying he found a post to which I linked him 2 1/4 hours before he sent it--and figured out that my post with the link to it didn't go through |
| [22:33:47] | sphery: | (yet) |
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| [22:33:56] | mersault: | DNS too? |
| [22:34:09] | wagnerrp: | DNS is most likely handled externally |
| [22:34:25] | sphery: | yeah, osuosl's DNS |
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| [22:34:28] | skd5aner: | Does the "visible" attribute for a channel basically disable the channel all together (including scheduling) or does it just make it invisible in the EPG? |
| [22:34:34] | k-man: | does mythtv use any kind of hardware assisted hd decoding on the mac? |
| [22:34:42] | sphery: | skd5aner: altogether--except in LiveTV |
| [22:34:48] | k-man: | in terms of HD DVB-t content |
| [22:34:52] | sphery: | i.e. doesn't exist in the guide nor to the scheduler |
| [22:34:56] | wagnerrp: | k-man: it uses OSX's version of Xv, but thats it |
| [22:35:03] | skd5aner: | sphery: except in liveTV EPG? |
| [22:35:06] | wagnerrp: | you get hardware accelerated playback, but not decoding |
| [22:35:15] | k-man: | wagnerrp: ah, ok |
| [22:35:25] | sphery: | skd5aner: pretty sure it's not in the LiveTV EPG, but you can still get there with direct channel number entry in LiveTV |
| [22:35:39] | sphery: | though I don't use LiveTV, so I can't say for sure |
| [22:35:47] | skd5aner: | k – thanks |
| [22:35:54] | skd5aner: | I got my HD-PVR "working" it looks like |
| [22:35:56] | sphery: | (guessing based on how the code is architected--and haven't actually looked specifically in the code to find out) |
| [22:35:57] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:36:03] | sphery: | great |
| [22:36:05] | k-man: | Xv = X video? |
| [22:36:15] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [22:36:21] | skd5aner: | got some sound issues, I'll have to play around a little bit more – was pretty excited that I could use the firewire to manage the channel |
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| [22:41:38] | pupjester: | hello |
| [22:41:46] | pupjester: | got a question |
| [22:42:20] | Wicked: | where do people get the movie posters / backdrops for themoviedb? ive been adding movies and its a real pita to find backdrops. |
| [22:42:32] | k-man: | it would be interesting to see graphs of the traffic spike after the slashdotting |
| [22:42:37] | k-man: | during i mean |
| [22:42:38] | Wicked: | the posters are a bit easier...but finding a backdrop thats not 800x600 is a pita |
| [22:42:48] | pupjester: | were can i find streams that work in mythtv |
| [22:43:13] | pupjester: | video type |
| [22:44:12] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: generally, they make them |
| [22:44:35] | wagnerrp: | pupjester: what do you mean by streams? |
| [22:44:48] | pupjester: | url's that work |
| [22:44:55] | pupjester: | i found 1 |
| [22:45:01] | Wicked: | what with like a digi camera and take pic of the dvd covers? |
| [22:45:02] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean |
| [22:45:02] | pupjester: | anything |
| [22:45:22] | iamlindoro: | pupjester: You really need to answer in complete, understandable sentences |
| [22:45:33] | iamlindoro: | what kind of streams? TV? web? What are you talking about? |
| [22:45:36] | iamlindoro: | Be *specific* |
| [22:45:38] | wagnerrp: | you mean a URL to download mythtv from? |
| [22:45:42] | iamlindoro: | As we are all very confused |
| [22:45:46] | wagnerrp: | some form of internet video you want to access in mythtv? |
| [22:46:08] | pupjester: | ok i am watching video streams but cant find many |
| [22:46:15] | pupjester: | yes |
| [22:46:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, what? |
| [22:46:37] | wagnerrp: | watching what video streams? |
| [22:46:40] | wagnerrp: | from some website? |
| [22:46:43] | pupjester: | yes |
| [22:46:46] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to stream stuff over mythweb? |
| [22:46:51] | pupjester: | cant find any that work |
| [22:46:56] | pupjester: | i found one |
| [22:46:57] | wagnerrp: | so you want to watch internet video in mythtv? |
| [22:47:02] | pupjester: | yes |
| [22:47:14] | wagnerrp: | your only option is mythbrowser |
| [22:47:32] | wagnerrp: | open the webpage in mythbrowser, use whatever flash player they have |
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| [22:47:55] | ** tgm4883 makes wagnerrp a certified dentist. Capable of pulling teeth ** | |
| [22:48:07] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, what about mirobridge? |
| [22:48:15] | ** tgm4883 sneaks back to work ** | |
| [22:48:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have content in a very specific format, RTMP with a m3u playlist, you can record that |
| [22:48:41] | wagnerrp: | mirobridge does not stream, it downloads content and inserts it as recordings |
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| [22:48:47] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [22:48:48] | wagnerrp: | and it is completely external to mythtv |
| [22:49:09] | Gnarl: | Hey, I've got a 22RC/ubuntu 8.10 web problem that has been plaguing me for days |
| [22:49:22] | Gnarl: | Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/fatal.php on line 23 |
| [22:49:35] | Gnarl: | any help is appreciated |
| [22:49:40] | Malard: | hi |
| [22:49:47] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, i see. I would have lumped them together (being both deal with internet tv), but I see the difference |
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| [22:50:00] | Malard: | gnarl, seems like your template is called 'tmpl' |
| [22:50:14] | Malard: | or there is a bug in it, what page are you on when you get that error? |
| [22:50:14] | Gnarl: | database setting? |
| [22:51:03] | Malard: | try http://<server>/mythweb/?RESET_SKIN&RESET_TMPL where <server> is your backend ip? |
| [22:51:26] | Gnarl: | tried that one... no go |
| [22:51:40] | Malard: | what page do you get that error on? |
| [22:51:42] | Malard: | all pages? |
| [22:51:46] | Malard: | even the homepage? |
| [22:51:47] | Gnarl: | mythweb.php |
| [22:52:19] | Malard: | okay, would appear that your template skin is set to 'tmpl' |
| [22:52:23] | Gnarl: | yes |
| [22:52:25] | Malard: | it should be 'default' |
| [22:52:30] | Malard: | i dont know where that is modified tho |
| [22:52:33] | Gnarl: | I've been trying to find out how to change that |
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| [22:52:56] | Malard: | well, it is in here: http://10.0.10.65/mythweb/settings but i dont know how you would modify it, without access to mythweb |
| [22:53:58] | pupjester: | hmmm |
| [22:54:18] | pupjester: | were can u get mythtvbrowser |
| [22:54:31] | wagnerrp: | mythbrowser, one of the official plugins |
| [22:54:40] | Gnarl: | I'm thinking it's a db connection error |
| [22:54:52] | Gnarl: | when i ln the tmpl folder to default i get |
| [22:54:53] | Gnarl: | Fatal error: Call to undefined function t() in /var/www/mythweb/modules/database/init.php on line |
| [22:54:55] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, there are a couple unofficial plugins that deal with internet streams |
| [22:55:01] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks, if I use a 64bit version of linux, does mythtv compile properly? |
| [22:55:12] | wagnerrp: | mythstreamtv, mythstreams, mythstream, mythtube, mythvodka, myth.... |
| [22:55:13] | laga: | defaultro: yes |
| [22:55:18] | defaultro: | thanks laga |
| [22:55:42] | Gnarl: | perl issue maybe? |
| [22:56:13] | Malard: | gnarl its all php, so wont be a perl issue |
| [22:56:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: r22785 |
| [22:56:53] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [22:56:53] | Gnarl: | even the .pl files in the root? |
| [22:57:04] | Malard: | well, they are called to do stuff |
| [22:57:23] | Malard: | but all the page display and the errors your getting are php based |
| [22:57:32] | wagnerrp: | cant seem to get to trac, and havent gotten the email notification yet |
| [22:57:32] | sphery: | wow, hard to keep up... ganged mode with 2x DDR2 1066 or unganged dual-channel... wonder which to use (though both should be way better performance than I need) |
| [22:57:45] | pupjester: | were do u get the plugins |
| [22:57:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22785 |
| [22:57:59] | wagnerrp: | pupjester: depends entirely on your distro |
| [22:58:07] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i mean the page just isnt responsive |
| [22:58:22] | wagnerrp: | i cant open it up to see what it is |
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| [22:59:42] | pupjester: | 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [23:00:09] | sphery: | Malard: you need to specify a value for the params... http://10.0.10.65/mythweb/settings?RESET_SKIN . . . SET_TMPL=yes |
| [23:00:13] | wagnerrp: | pupjester: you can grab the source package from the website and compile yourself |
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| [23:00:21] | sphery: | (or any other web page--just need the resets with values) |
| [23:00:27] | wagnerrp: | but your distro very likely already has a binary package for all of the official plugins |
| [23:00:30] | Malard: | sphery if thats the case, the url at the bottom of the homepage is broke |
| [23:00:31] | pupjester: | ok |
| [23:00:31] | sphery: | web page in mythweb, that is :) |
| [23:00:32] | pupjester: | ty |
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| [23:00:53] | Gnarl: | any way I could see more descriptive errors from php or apache? |
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| [23:01:02] | sphery: | oh, maybe not... might be worth a try, though |
| [23:01:03] | Malard: | Gnarl they are plenty descriptive |
| [23:01:14] | Weezey: | just updated to .22 and now I have speckles when I watch something that's not HD, they show up on the menu too |
| [23:01:18] | Malard: | the problem is that it seems like the entire mythweb package is corrupt? |
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| [23:01:46] | Gnarl: | it says what the problem is but not what is causing it |
| [23:02:01] | kormoc: | pastebn the error? |
| [23:02:02] | Malard: | well, the problem is clear |
| [23:02:11] | Malard: | it thinks the template name is 'tmpl' |
| [23:02:11] | Gnarl: | help me out here |
| [23:02:21] | Malard: | it should be 'default' |
| [23:02:31] | sphery: | Malard: there's also the option of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;' |
| [23:02:40] | Malard: | Warning: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/fatal.php on line 23 |
| [23:02:48] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [23:02:56] | sphery: | ah, that one--I think kormoc knows what's causing it... |
| [23:03:28] | sphery: | the /tmpl/tmpl part, that is |
| [23:03:39] | kormoc: | I remember fixing the only time it happened I thought |
| [23:03:41] | defaultro: | Need some advice on fan/heatsink for my i5 cpu. I was confused when someone told me to purchase ball bearing. But most I found in newegg fluid dynamic. Does it really matter? |
| [23:04:12] | sphery: | wasn't it something with using a non-root mythweb application without proper config in the apache conf |
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| [23:04:57] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: generally fluid dynamic are considered better/quieter/whatever than ball bearing |
| [23:05:20] | sphery: | like having Directory or RewriteBase set improperly or something\ |
| [23:05:34] | sphery: | Malard: ^^^ |
| [23:06:04] | kormoc: | I don't have the mental bandwidth right now to remember |
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| [23:07:05] | wagnerrp: | looks like the mailing list got taken down too... no messages in the last 40 minutes |
| [23:07:17] | defaultro: | thanks wagnerrp, I'll stick with the fan/heatsink I added then. It's arctic cooling freezer for $33 |
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| [23:07:30] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: this is for a frontend? |
| [23:07:33] | Malard: | sphery i dont know yet, give me time to learn the codebase :P |
| [23:07:47] | defaultro: | backend but also at the same time for practing my sql database |
| [23:07:53] | defaultro: | and also vms |
| [23:08:01] | kormoc: | We should actually have code in includes/template.php that if the template dir doesn't exist, fall back to default |
| [23:08:16] | defaultro: | ffmpeg too |
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| [23:08:53] | wagnerrp: | defaultro: then it doesnt really matter, because its off in some basement/closet/cabinet and you dont care how loud it is |
| [23:09:02] | wagnerrp: | you just want something that will sufficiently cool your processor |
| [23:09:03] | defaultro: | got it |
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| [23:14:16] | Gnarl: | sphery i've tried the rewritebase change in mythweb.conf, still not working |
| [23:15:50] | Weezey: | just updated to .22 and now I have speckles when I watch something that's not HD, they show up on the menu too, using nvidia card |
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| [23:18:28] | sphery: | heh: So setting the TZ environment variable to the appropriate value before starting the frontend may be another thing to try for people seeing sluggish UI performance *and* an unexpectedly high CPU usage when sitting at the main menu. |
| [23:18:45] | sphery: | really the TZ stuff shouldn't have any effect on CPU usage |
| [23:18:58] | sphery: | as it's an "at-first-connect" thing |
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| [23:24:41] | defaultro: | sorry, me again, is 400w for psu enough for this newer technology like on nvidia card, i5, capture card? |
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| [23:26:59] | Gnarl: | i'm out of ideas |
| [23:27:26] | Malard: | sorry i cant help anymore atm |
| [23:27:34] | Malard: | i am out of knowledge |
| [23:27:47] | Gnarl: | thanks for trying |
| [23:28:10] | Malard: | but you could in theory, go through all the php files and remove the '. tmpl . ' bits in the code and replace it with an explicit path to the default header |
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| [23:28:25] | whoDat_: | What is the 'edit transports' button for in the channel editor? |
| [23:29:42] | Gnarl: | i don't think that is the root issue here, I've created a link in tmpl that points to default and i get a new error |
| [23:29:48] | Gnarl: | Fatal error: Call to undefined function t() in /var/www/mythweb/modules/database/init.php on line 14 |
| [23:30:26] | Gnarl: | makes me think something is wrong with my environment |
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| [23:30:43] | Gnarl: | isn't t() built in to php? |
| [23:31:03] | defaultro: | will the psu 20+4 pin work on a mobo that is 24 pin? |
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| [23:31:18] | antgel: | oh dear. problem with vdpau on this box. tried to watch a recording and it hung at the "playback starting" screen. tried to watch live tv and the frontend crashed (nothing in the frontend log) |
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| [23:31:57] | antgel: | all clues appreciated |
| [23:32:06] | laga: | antgel: gdb |
| [23:37:24] | antgel: | laga: :-O blimey. i'll watch the programme without vdpau first (it's on for my parents). using about 63% cpu time at the moment |
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| [23:41:08] | laga: | antgel: see the manual for pointers regarding gdb |
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| [23:50:57] | hipitihop: | morning groovers |
| [23:52:22] | hipitihop: | is there anything I need to do out of the box to be able to rip/import DVD discs. It seems to go through the rip stage and then job completes and I can't find it listed anywhere |
| [23:53:04] | antgel: | ach, need to rebuild with --enable-debug |
| [23:53:09] | whoDat_: | is there someone in mythtv i can see the channel frequency, and digital logical channel (ie 5.1) of a channel? |
| [23:53:09] | ** antgel hugs ccache ** | |
| [23:53:33] | whoDat_: | I did a full channel scan and cant make heads or tails about what is what! |
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| [23:57:19] | antgel: | hmm, is svn server also getting slashdotted? :-D |
| [23:57:37] | justinh: | the whole domain is under the weather |
| [23:57:48] | antgel: | \o/ |
| [23:59:13] | justinh: | way to go, whoever submitted the 'story' |
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