Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 3rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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AndrewNC:

every other wire is routed through the wall, it would be silly to ruin that effort with an IR wire

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jams:

true

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jams:

longer then a 6ft run?

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AndrewNC:

routed yes

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Wicked:

anyone else experience the into screen when starting a video sometimes gets stuck? ive had it happen a few times...one time i had to kill mythfrontend..the other time i hit a bunch of buttons and somehow it went away.

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sphery:

Wicked: yeah, it's a known issue

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sphery:

having to do with painters and a race condition on when repainting the GUI is disabled

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Wicked:

ah ok. i was just wondering if its me or if its a known thing.

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sphery:

unfortunately, there's not a known fix

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sphery:

I can't remember if that one has a ticket associated with it

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Wicked:

ah ok. well at least the devs are aware

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sphery:

and, more importantly, the devs who could potentially fix it--gbee and markk--are also aware of it :)

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Wicked:

ah. even better :)

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Wicked:

also my frontend has not done the "wont rewind" thing since you showed me that ticket

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Wicked:

not sure if its fixed..or just not being triggered.

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Wicked:

doesnt look like the ticket is closed so it must not be triggered

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** antgel is still struggling with the DVB-S2 issue **

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antgel:

let's take a step back. what dependencies do i need to configure DVB-S2 with myth? i couldn't find much in the docs

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antgel:

actually, i should fix the astra 2D issue first

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iamlindoro:

Kernel 2.6.30 (or possibly 2.6.31) and a working DVB-S2 card

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antgel:

iamlindoro: right. i have 2.6.30. my card works (i think). it's hard to know what's broken

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iamlindoro:

You can hunt back to the DVB-S2 support commit to see the kernel requirements

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sphery:

and, it seems, a system built with kernel 2.6.3x? (i.e. with system kernel headers for said kernel--and since system kernel headers need to be the same as the ones used when building glibc, that means using a system whose glibc was built with said kernel)

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sphery:

i.e. if you have a system built with kernel 2.6.26 headers and then just upgrade the kernel, it won't work

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sphery:

^^^ is my guess based on my understanding of GNU/Linux system building and the specific test being used to see if DVB-S2 is supported

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antgel:

oh, that's weird. my original configure said DVB-S2 support: no – it's now saying yes. i don't know what i installed to make that happen. let's rebuild.

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sphery:

your distro/packager may manage upgrading all that stuff for you though

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antgel:

sphery: using debian lenny with a 2.6.30 kernel from lenny-backports

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antgel:

of course, DVB-S2 support is worth sweet FA if i can't scan all the FRICKING CHANNELS

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antgel:

hmm, make's rebuilding a load of stuff – *something* must have changed

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jduggan:

what channels are you hoping to get with s2, btw?

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antgel:

BBC HD would be nice. ITV HD would be nice if i have a lobotomy. and Luxe HD for my mum

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antgel:

it's a future thing :)

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jduggan:

ok

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antgel:

but at the moment bog standard (definition) BBC1 would be nice

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jduggan:

sure right now everything fta worth watching is still dvb-s

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antgel:

or anything from astra 2D really, i mean QVC has its limits

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jduggan:

what card btw?

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jduggan:

are you definitly pointed at the right constellation? :p

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antgel:

it's a hauppauge wintv nova hd s2

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antgel:

the name just rolls off the tongue

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antgel:

jduggan: you know anything about dvb-s? i've been losing for days now

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sceo:

I've got my mythbuntu box downstairs, and I've got a regular ubuntu upstairs that has all my non-recording media on it (music library, maybe some videos). What's the best way to mount the remote drive performance-wise? NFS, Samba, SSHFS, something else?

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antgel:

jduggan: i hope so otherwise the other 20 flats are going to be cursing as well

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jduggan:

antgel, i know enough to have two regular nova-s's getting the freesat lineup and lux hd :)

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antgel:

show-off :)

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antgel:

and my new best mate :P

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antgel:

jduggan: hmm, i posted to the linux-dvb list and used x-no-archive so i can't point you at a url explaining the "issues"

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antgel:

that was clever

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antgel:

jduggan: check out http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1654047 for the gory details

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antgel:

jduggan: in a nutshell, i would *appear* to be able to receive transmissions from astras 2A and 2B, but not 2D

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antgel:

there's a loftbox as well, but afaix that just passes the signal into the lounge

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jduggan:

hmm

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antgel:

i haven't gotten round to borrowing a sky box yet

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jduggan:

presumably youve now ruled out signal problems by testing with a sky box

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jduggan:

aaah

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jduggan:

well that would be step1 iguess

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antgel:

heh i reckon, just impatient

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antgel:

don't like to have annoying problems hanging

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antgel:

maybe i should chill out

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jduggan:

no point farting with linux/myth if you cant prove its even working

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jduggan:

yea im the same :)

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antgel:

also, it's not for me, it's for my parents in their new flat, and the place is a mess still so every little bit of chaos is magnified

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jduggan:

when i set up i spent 2 days trying to align my sat, finally got a sat finder and even that was spot on

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jduggan:

still couldnt get right channels

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antgel:

i'll pop back late tomorrow night, got a gig to go to which will be a nice change from lugging boxes and building ENTIRE HTPCS THEN FINDING THE POWER SWITCH IN THE CASE WAS FUCKED AND THE CASE NEEDED REPLACING

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Dagmar:

Most people just replace the power switch

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jduggan:

turns out, i was pointing my dish the same direction as my neighbour.....theyre foreign and werent pointing at 28.8 :p

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antgel:

it was an antec fusion, all a bit bespoke

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antgel:

jduggan: what i have learnt from that is that things could always be worse, thanks for the genuine lol

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jduggan:

resorted to a compass and that highlighted my error right away :)

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antgel:

just noticed that 95% of the crap in my generally crappy channel scan comes from eurobird 1

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antgel:

eurobird1--

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antgel:

i'm trying a different firmware blob in the DVB-S2 card, just out of sheer desperation

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antgel:

as roy castle used to sing in record breakers, "desperation's what you need"

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jduggan:

lol roy castle

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antgel:

tuning failed! \o/

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antgel:

er, i mean AAARGGGH. until tomorrow

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antgel:

actually, it's a good blob this, tuning fails on *everything* so i don't need to get the eurobird shite ;)

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sphery:

Eviltwin: or if it's even tangentially related to MythWeb/Myth, you could try asking here

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Eviltwin:

Not even close

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Dagmar:

Antiarc: Torchlight? You mean like the Fate thing?

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** sphery wonders if Dagmar is sending encoded messages using #mythtv-users and the archive--and wonders for what nefarious purpose **

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oobe:

you like spy shows?

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iamlindoro:

antone can like a spy show if it starts Yvonne Strafdsjhdfsgkdjhgskjghsdfsdfkgjdshfski

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iamlindoro:

er anyone

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sphery:

agreed!

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oobe:

who is that

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oobe:

she the actress in chuck?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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oobe:

she is australian :)

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wagnerrp:

could have fooled me, with that name

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oobe:

most australians are immigrants well all really

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oobe:

1st 2nd 3rd 4th generation

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wagnerrp:

well technically everyone but africans are immigrants

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oobe:

lol africans would be too

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wagnerrp:

i thought the oldest remnants theyve found are in north africa

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oobe:

aborigines AFAIK are not from africa

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oobe:

i could be wrong

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wagnerrp:

looks like south/east africa

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oobe:

cause you going back to time before continents split i never considered it

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oobe:

going back that far we dont really know as far as im concerned

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And4713:

She is amazingly good looking

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And4713:

and actually surprisingly funny

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oobe:

she is good looking

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And4713:

she was on Craig Furgesons show

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And4713:

and it was pretty amusing

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wagnerrp:

apparently fairly intelligent as well

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wagnerrp:

so that settles it, she must be nuts

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oobe:

that doesnt prove anything

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wagnerrp:

you only get two out of three

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oobe:

i actually just said that in jest

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oobe:

i dont know what we have settled

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oobe:

but if she asked me to copulate with her i would oblige

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wagnerrp:

are you kidding, crazy sex is the best

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oobe:

heh yea

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oobe:

so why is she crazy?

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wagnerrp:

beautiful, intelligent, sane.... pick two

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oobe:

well if i had to choose

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wagnerrp:

im trying to find the quote... and failing

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oobe:

intelligence and sanity are both quantifiable where as beauty is in eye of the beholder despite her generic good looks

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wagnerrp:

here we go.... http://bash.org/?205408

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wagnerrp:

it was single, not intelligent

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oobe:

nice hope it catches on for you

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

what catches on?

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oobe:

the saying

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wagnerrp:

not my saying

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oobe:

oh ok

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ctpaterson:

After an upgrade to 9.10 (clean), I'm having a couple bits of trouble with the internal player during the playback of mpeg4 files. (1) a/v sync gets lost during any set of black frames (it eventually sorts itself out – but is distracting), and (2) the last few seconds of the video is cut off. Anyone know how to deal with these problems? Google doesn't seem to have much to say.

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Staticwave_Ace:

hello all, I was wondering, is there a more effective way to delete recordings than on a show by show basis?

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oobe:

Staticwave_Ace, you mean like select all?

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, I'm not so good with the mysql stuff

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oobe:

no

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Staticwave_Ace:

my thought is that there would be an actual mythtv commant

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oobe:

but you can select box ticks in mythweb

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Staticwave_Ace:

*command

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Staticwave_Ace:

uh, not anywhere I';ve seen

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** Staticwave_Ace checks again **

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oobe:

hmm i just checked

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oobe:

maybe i was mistake or it has changed probably just mistaken

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah

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oobe:

is the a specific title you want to delete

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Staticwave_Ace:

title = Countdown

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oobe:

you can use a progam called mythrename.pl

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oobe:

it will rename all your recordings to actual show names

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Staticwave_Ace:

delete all the files

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android6011:

so whats the eta for .23? :p

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wagnerrp:

rather... you want to link all your shows into a new folder

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Staticwave_Ace:

then use the script that corrects the database

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oobe:

then you could rm /path/to/*Countdown*

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wagnerrp:

you do not want to rename files

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unimaginative:

android6011, hopefully a lot quicker than the transition from 0.21 to 0.22

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oobe:

or mythrename.pl --link then make rm follow symlinks

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unimaginative:

android6011, 0.22 was a big jump.

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oobe:

but i dont know how to do that

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Staticwave_Ace:

oobe: yeah, thought of that one, seems very inelegent

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android6011:

ya i can tell

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oobe:

it is

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android6011:

are there any planned additions for .23 or is it to be discussed lateR?

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oobe:

but thats all i can think of

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Staticwave_Ace:

any idea how to change the expiry preferences for a mythnettv thing?

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unimaginative:

oobe, no guarantees that mythrename.pl will work on the 0.22 release candidate (assuming that's what version he's using)

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Staticwave_Ace:

since that's my major issue

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Staticwave_Ace:

it's keeping all those files

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unimaginative:

android6011, most of the work being done right now are 0.22 bugfixes. I don't anticipate any new feature work until those are ironed out.

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oobe:

unimaginative, i still use mythrename with .22 fixes and trunk prior using --link with no problems

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** kd3 cries at terra not using a wide layout for the video tree **

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android6011:

ya i figured that, i just mean in general. not that im rushing it

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unimaginative:

oobe, If youv'e tested it and trusted it, then I say go for it. I havent gone through the code yet, so I'm not that brave yet.

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oobe:

unimaginative, well i used to use it a bit in .21 anyway

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oobe:

so running it from .22 was like normal behaviour i didnt sweat it

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oobe:

maybe i should of

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oobe:

but hey it worked

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Staticwave_Ace:

oh great

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Staticwave_Ace:

mythrename starts doing stuff immediately

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Staticwave_Ace:

that's smart

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unimaginative:

back up your DB first :)

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Staticwave_Ace:

wonder what it broke

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oobe:

Staticwave_Ace, yea that sucks

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oobe:

usually it doesnt break anything though

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oobe:

check your recording dir

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah

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Staticwave_Ace:

I see renamed stuff now

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oobe:

they should all be renamed

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, I stopped it in the middle with a ctrl-c

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sphery:

skd5aner: So, my initial results seem to point to a bug in Qt4 for #7467. Looking at Qt source, now, to see if I can find a workaround.

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unimaginative:

I just wish there was a better way to control my STB.

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unimaginative:

No firewire or working USB ports , sigh.

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oobe:

wagnerrp, single, mentally stable

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sphery:

I find that if you're really nice to it and compliment it regularly, it just /wants/ to do what you want, so you don't need to force control of it...

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sphery:

YMMV, though

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unimaginative:

sphery, and if that doesnt work, give her the old steel toe.

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sphery:

heh

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

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oobe:

i didnt relise software responded to emotional manipulation

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unimaginative:

I'm almost sadistic enough to try running mythfrontend on my Vista partition.

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oobe:

unimaginative, how do you mean

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unimaginative:

oobe, not sure of the details, but I'm reading in the -users mailing list about some people compiling mythtv on windows.

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oobe:

format vista install linux cp /usr/bin/mythfrontend to /mnt/vista the ./mnt/vista/mythfrontend or install win32 version of mythtv in vista which would be my last choice

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oobe:

thats meant to be 3 choices

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oobe:

i knew what you meant just being silly

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unimaginative:

oobe, I already dualboot this laptop.

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oobe:

no really it was a joke

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sphery:

unimaginative: I think you mean masochistic--unless you're going to force someone else to do the work for you :)

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oobe:

i really dont like the idea of win32

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unimaginative:

sphery, :)

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oobe:

windows users already get enough stuff without things that are for linux users being added

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unimaginative:

I might be happy with just connecting to my MBE via upnp

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sphery:

skd5aner: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1654172 Note the "Total Results" is 20 and QSqlQuery::next() only loops 3 times--until we hit the record with bookmark = 127. This is obviously not a Myth program--just a simple program that runs a query that hits the bookmark field. So any result set with that value dies.

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sphery:

Bugs are /so/ much easier to fix when they're in Myth and not in the underlying libs.

[02:42:05]

sphery:

(TrollTech/Nokia still hasn't fixed the last bug I reported--but at least with that we were able to work around it in Myth code.)

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sphery:

unimaginative: Also, using MPC or VLC or <whatever> with a Samba mount to your backend works well--especially well if you use mythrename.pl --link to get human-readable and differently named/sorted views of the recordings and set up Samba to follow links for you.

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Der_Thomas:

Hey guys, have a question about the EXEC command in a menu:

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Der_Thomas:

I'm trying to kick off a process that takes a while to complete so I want it to rin in the background. To do this I eng the line with a &.

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Der_Thomas:

problem is that when I add it to a myth menu with the & myth crashes

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Der_Thomas:

It works fine ending the line with a ;

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Der_Thomas:

any ideas how I can run new process in the background without crashing myth?

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[R]:

have you tried making a script?

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wagnerrp:

you put a '&' in the menu xml?

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wagnerrp:

thats something that shell scripts use

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Der_Thomas:

I could make a script but I'd rather put it right in the menu.xml

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kd3:

escape it?

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wagnerrp:

not something you can use when you call a binary directly

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wagnerrp:

if you want to use '&', you need to put it in a script

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Der_Thomas:

OK

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wagnerrp:

or at least run something like 'sh "program &"'

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wagnerrp:

you may need to write a wrapper in something that provides real detaching

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Der_Thomas:

Yeah I was doing this "<action>EXEC programA& programB;</action>

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wagnerrp:

ampersand lets you background something, but you will not detach from the terminal

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Der_Thomas:

I tried <action>EXEC "programA& programB;"</action> and that didn't work

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Der_Thomas:

but if I know that I need to write a script that OK

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Der_Thomas:

jsut thought I was doing something wrong

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unimaginative:

I think I suffer from this condition. http://www.techwandering.com/2006/08/26/eutomasitad-watching-tv/

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm I have a mkv file that is playing maybe half speed.

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PeaceKeeper:

but my recordings are working fine. Can anyone help me with where should I look to help troubleshoot this?

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unimaginative:

PeaceKeeper, lots of "Prebuffering pause" in your logs?

[03:02:48]

PeaceKeeper:

humm

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PeaceKeeper:

let me look

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PeaceKeeper:

frontend logs right?

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unimaginative:

PeaceKeeper, yep.

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android6011:

unimaginative: same here

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android6011:

most people in here probably do to if you think about it

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unimaginative:

yeah, the prebuffering thing is common, I havent found the cause of mine.

[03:05:32]

unimaginative:

a couple things make it better, but not right.

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PeaceKeeper:

no no prebuffer pause

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PeaceKeeper:

I see "AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring."

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unimaginative:

PeaceKeeper, no clue..

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PeaceKeeper:

OK thx for trying

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PeaceKeeper:

:)

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sphery:

skd5aner: Definitely a Qt4 bug. The same test program run on Qt3 works fine (20 results/20 loops).

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Buds:

Hello, I created a mythtv box back a few months ago with ubuntu 9.04 and recently decided to get it running again, I did the 9.10 disro update and now i seem to have an extremely jittery picture / full static on random channels

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Buds:

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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PeaceKeeper:

I think my slow MKV playback has to do with 6 channels of audio

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PeaceKeeper:

I can not confirm that yet however (and I am not sure how to confirm it yet)

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mtrelins:

has anyone seen this?

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mtrelins:

[1863060.346254] mythbackend[24282]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007f8c10132dc6 sp 00007f8c06f9e3b8 error 6 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8[7f8c0fb09000+80d000]

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mtrelins:

[1906260.314938] mythbackend[10014]: segfault at 20 ip 00007f513106bdc6 sp 00007f5127ed73b8 error 6 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8[7f5130a42000+80d000]

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mtrelins:

[2005260.983025] mythbackend[1936] general protection ip:7f4f6b729dc6 sp:7f4f625953b8 error:0 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8[7f4f6b100000+80d000]

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PeaceKeeper:

I also notice that mythvideo has all my files listed twice when browsing the titles, so I am trying to figure that out first :)

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wagnerrp:

dont do that

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mtrelins:

me?

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wagnerrp:

yes you

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mtrelins:

sorry they are different errors

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mtrelins:

but has anyone seen that before

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wagnerrp:

two line maximum

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mtrelins:

it's killing my backend and i don't know why

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: what version of Myth?

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PeaceKeeper:

.22 RC1

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sphery:

make sure you have upmix set to Passive

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok looking

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sphery:

mtrelins: those aren't so much the errors as the result of the errors

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sphery:

mtrelins: and /very/ unlikely to be fixed--might want to consider upgrading to 0.22-fixes

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: the 2x your videos in mythvideo is because you have an invalid video SG config. read (all of) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

[03:38:50]

PeaceKeeper:

Upmix is passive. Also AC3 and DTS are passthrought Aggressive is not on

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PeaceKeeper:

2x ?

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PeaceKeeper:

it slow not fast

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sphery:

double listing

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PeaceKeeper:

but I will read :D

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sphery:

not the slow playback

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PeaceKeeper:

ahhh

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mtrelins:

does myth 0.22 balance between drives?

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PeaceKeeper:

ok sorry confussed for a sec

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mtrelins:

or should i raid my setup

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wagnerrp:

no more/less than 0.21

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sphery:

the slow playback may be due to a bad playback profile configuration, then

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sphery:

mtrelins: though it allows you to change the drive-selection mechanism

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PeaceKeeper:

ok so check SGs?

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wagnerrp:

meaning... yes it does

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PeaceKeeper:

looking at that now

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wagnerrp:

you can go fully IO-based balancing, fully space-based balancing, or somewhere inbetween

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wagnerrp:

0.21 did the 'somewhere in between'

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mtrelins:

io based so that one tuner goes to one drive?

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sphery:

though it's still not full space-based balancing

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

as it always choosed the capture card first, /then/ chooses the directory from teh available dirs in the storage group

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wagnerrp:

does it balance the number of recordings per drive? or the amount of bandwidth per drive?

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mtrelins:

would you recommend raid?

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sphery:

so it may have to write to a full filesystem even though you have others with space (potentially even if those others are in the same SG) depending on your configuration

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sphery:

mostly bandwidth per drive

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mtrelins:

so you guys think i should upgrade?

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mtrelins:

is the one with ubuntu 9.10 stable/

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sphery:

as it factors in jobs and stuff, too

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mtrelins:

the 0.22 one

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mtrelins:

?

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sphery:

0.22-fixes is not a bad idea at this point

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mtrelins:

er, stabler than 0.21?

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sphery:

if you get 0.22rc1, there are a lot of issues in it

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mtrelins:

but 0.22-fixes is good?

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sphery:

I wouldn't say stabler than 0.21, but I would /definitely/ say stabler than an /install/ of 0.21-fixes that's crashing with segfaults

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sphery:

i.e. if your 0.21-fixes is crashing, anyway, what do you have to lose

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mtrelins:

do you think an apt-get update might fix the lib-qt-mt issue?

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sphery:

(note that I'm not saying 0.22-fixes is less stable than 0.21-fixes, either)

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mtrelins:

er apt-get upgrade

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sphery:

the lib-qt-mt issue is not likely an issue in Qt

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sphery:

it's a myth issue

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mtrelins:

really?

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sphery:

if you have an old 0.21-fixes, it might fix it

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sphery:

if you have relatively current 0.21-fixes, it won't

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mtrelins:

i have the default ubuntu 9.04 one

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sphery:

it's basically using an area of memory that it shouldn't be touching

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mtrelins:

i know it's 0.21

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sphery:

this could be due to a programming error in Myth or due to memory corruption (which itself could be due to a programming error in Myth or hardware issues or cosmic radiation or ...)

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mtrelins:

mythbackend tends to die alot on me

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mtrelins:

do you think i should swap the ram?

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sphery:

but the chances that anyone will debug it at this point is about 0 since 0.21-fixes is basically dead

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sphery:

I'd first try just upgrading to 0.22-fixes

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sphery:

if you still see the issues, then maybe think about testing/swapping the ram

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sphery:

from the info you posted, there's not nearly enough data to have any idea where the problem is

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sphery:

and the info that would be required to figure it out would take a lot longer to retrieve (and to diagnose) than it's worth

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tbone:

hmm, can u point me to how i could get the fixes, I am using ubuntu karmic. Is it possible to do without compiling? Thanks

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sphery:

I think Ubuntu is packaging -fixes

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mtrelins:

so you're basically saying i'll get support on 0.22?

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superm1:

karmic proper has 22549, if you need later -fixes, visit mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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mtrelins:

;)

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mtrelins:

is 22549 pretty good?

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superm1:

its just a little after rc1

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superm1:

we'll be attempting to be pushing gold after it's been tagged

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mtrelins:

gold?

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sphery:

final release of 0.22

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mtrelins:

oh

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mtrelins:

so 22549 is close to final release?

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PeaceKeeper:

sphery: SGs fixed thx :D

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PeaceKeeper:

now to figure out slow play

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mtrelins:

do you forecast an upgrade from karmic/0.22 to final 0.22 to be difficult?

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sphery:

final release will be r22713 or higher

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sphery:

but until it's released we won't know which

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superm1:

which doesn't necessarily mean there was 200 commits to fixes however

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superm1:

because that commit number also counts the number of commits to trunk

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sphery:

upgrade from karmic/0.22 to final 0.22 should be extremely easy

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mtrelins:

yeah i'm actually a developer

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

not on myth

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mtrelins:

irl

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mtrelins:

lol @ me

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sphery:

yeah, basically, not much will change between 0.22rc1 and 0.22 release

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mtrelins:

ok

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mtrelins:

no database changes?

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Hiisty:

btw, when does 0.22 final arrive?

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sphery:

though there were quite a few bugs fixed between rc1 and rc2

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mtrelins:

should i do karmic then upgrade to rc2?

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sphery:

no database changes (unless the thing I'm working on now requires one and the devs decide it's worth it)

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superm1:

we'll have a very simple method to upgrade to final 0.22, it just be a little bit until the ubuntu paperwork to get it in gets processed

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sphery:

but it will be an nearly invisible database change

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mtrelins:

object serialization. store it all in a field lol

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mtrelins:

spare us the changes ;)

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sphery:

and cause us the pain of serialization versioning

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mtrelins:

i'm jus' teasin

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mtrelins:

keep up the good work

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sphery:

yeah, I know

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sphery:

my recommendations if you do upgrade: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405443#405443

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mtrelins:

ok

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mtrelins:

i think i'm just going to do a bunch of clean installs

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OpenMedia:

Does anyone here use the numeric accelerator keys for navigating the EPG?

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PeaceKeeper:

ahh foudn the error "AudioOutput Error: Channels count (6) not available: Invalid argument"

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OpenMedia:

It appears the option Disable “Allow channel jumping in guide” doesn't affect the behaviour in the EPG anymore.

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mtrelins:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

mtrelins: have a good (and easy) upgrade!

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mtrelins:

nah screw that upgrade business

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mtrelins:

fresh install

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mtrelins:

:)

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PeaceKeeper:

I want to do a fresh install

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PeaceKeeper:

maybe once .22 is gold :)

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sphery:

well, I meant MythTV upgrade... I'm guessing he wants to carry over his 0.21-fixes data...

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sphery:

not that it matters, now

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PeaceKeeper:

now video plays normal, but speach is slow (like monsters ROFL)

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sphery:

OpenMedia: on first glance it seems to be hooked up

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sphery:

OpenMedia: though it's possible when that screen was mythui'ed, the key handling was broken a bit

[04:02:42]

OpenMedia:

sphery: Tried a number of themes with the same issues.

[04:02:57]

sphery:

yeah, not likely a theme issue

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OpenMedia:

my own build server VM is down at the moment and I really need a current copy of the source in front of me.

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OpenMedia:

sphery: Thanks for all of the tips about my Database upgrade issue last week.

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sphery:

I can't test right now, but will try to remember to do so sometime when my system's not partially broken

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OpenMedia:

Did a comparison after running a database upgrade with a more recent 0.22 snapshot and thankfully no issues with my hacking around with schema versions.

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sphery:

you're welcome for the help

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sphery:

hope it all works for you

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Eviltwin:

So is there any good reference material for what's where in the mythconverg database?

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Eviltwin:

I'm looking to learn a bit more about it

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sphery:

(this was the empty query issue, right?)

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OpenMedia:

sphery: Yeah that issue

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sphery:

cool... glad you got upgraded ok

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wagnerrp:

Eviltwin: most of the tables are listed on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, haha @ import archive

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Eviltwin:

Nothing consolodated though?

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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OpenMedia:

Do you think that any of the verbose options for the frontend might indicate what the issue is with the hot keys

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Captain_Murdoch:

that was quick

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OpenMedia:

Or is it all too deep im MythUI.

[04:06:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, think it's OK?

[04:06:57]

sphery:

Eviltwin: once you get to the point that you know to never edit the data in the DB, then you'll know you understand it pretty well

[04:07:00]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yes, but I also think anything is better than nothing at this point

[04:07:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

ditto, I'm running out of ideas.

[04:07:31]

Eviltwin:

sphery: Not actually about editing but rather misusing the available data

[04:08:09]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, do you happen to remember what the issue was that caused the playbackbox to lose its place after exiting playback or deleting the last recording in a group? It was something to do with the flag list...

[04:08:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, don't recall.

[04:08:53]

sphery:

I have a bunch of old affected recordings and was considering doing a DB update to fix them (in trunk, not fixes, of course)

[04:09:20]

sphery:

unfortunately, all the appropriate search keywords are so common on the lists, I haven't been able to find the post where you figured it out

[04:09:44]

iamlindoro:

There was a ticket

[04:09:55]

iamlindoro:

it was just enormously poorly worded

[04:10:01]

PeaceKeeper:

"Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring." How do I find out the codec ID that is being reported?

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PeaceKeeper:

"id(AAC) type(Audio)" is the line above it. Maybe this file is just hosed....

[04:11:38]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, where are you getting your packages?

[04:11:49]

PeaceKeeper:

atrpms

[04:11:54]

PeaceKeeper:

testing

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iamlindoro:

ok, just checking

[04:12:06]

iamlindoro:

wait, so is that trunk, or -fixes?

[04:12:48]

PeaceKeeper:

mythtv-frontend-0.22–217_trunk_r22570.el5

[04:13:10]

PeaceKeeper:

that fron rpm -qa | grep mythtv-front

[04:13:46]

iamlindoro:

if it's really trunk, then you're using the new audio code and the stretched/delayed audio is indeed a bug I've noted with it

[04:14:11]

PeaceKeeper:

ahhh

[04:14:25]

iamlindoro:

feel free to open a ticket about it and attach a sample

[04:14:25]

PeaceKeeper:

I think that is .22RC1 on atrpms testing

[04:14:53]

iamlindoro:

well, .22 and trunk are both in the package name are actually mutually exclusive at this point

[04:14:58]

iamlindoro:

if it's trunk, it's that

[04:15:03]

iamlindoro:

if it's .22, heck if I know

[04:15:06]

PeaceKeeper:

I need to figure out how to cut this down to a sample :) but I will try

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PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: is that but with 6 channel or does it matter?

[04:18:17]

iamlindoro:

6 channel AAC, yes

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok then it must be that.

[04:18:37]

PeaceKeeper:

My other files play fine

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iamlindoro:

if you go to audio settings and toggle between Stereo and 5.1, it shoudl disappear

[04:18:46]

iamlindoro:

should

[04:18:55]

iamlindoro:

right now you likely have it set to "stereo"

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PeaceKeeper:

it on stero now.

[04:19:01]

PeaceKeeper:

yes

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iamlindoro:

if you go to 5.1 it should play properlyish

[04:19:13]

iamlindoro:

but will cause numerous other problems

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PeaceKeeper:

let me try

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iamlindoro:

like random AC3 channels disappearing, notably the center

[04:19:54]

iamlindoro:

note the problem I'm referring to is the slowed/messed up playback of audio while video is correct

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: mythbackend --version

[04:20:03]

sphery:

what branch?

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PeaceKeeper:

5.1 I get no audio at all

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PeaceKeeper:

MythTV Version : 22576

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PeaceKeeper:

Library API : 0.22.20091008–1

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: what revision?

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PeaceKeeper:

not sure what you want out of that. I can pastebin if you need

[04:21:34]

sphery:

er, what branch

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iamlindoro:

he wants the branch

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sphery:

library api is meaningless

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PeaceKeeper:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes/mythtv/

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sphery:

that's what we wanted

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PeaceKeeper:

ok sorry

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PeaceKeeper:

I am not complaining. So far I the .22 is great. I want to start making a theme soon. Great work and thank you to all the devs

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PeaceKeeper:

the – think

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brad2:

can anyone give me a hint about what this is doing in the code "QMutexLocker locker(&m_lock);" i see it all over the place, not sure why

[04:26:41]

[R]:

locking a mutex

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PeaceKeeper:

bbiab need to reboot, thx for your help!

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OpenMedia:

sphery: Checked that the keys are still mapped correctly in the database for browsing the EPG.

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OpenMedia:

So something is capturing the press and moving to the channel in the guide first

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brad2:

[r]: thanks, your words gave me what i needed for google searching. Should have got it on my own!

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sphery:

OpenMedia: yeah, that's what I meant by keyhandling in mythui port

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android6011:

thinking into the future, if iptv because predominant means of "tv", and say to watch tv you needed a stb from isp that got tv over internet. What direction do you feel myth would take

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android6011:

becomes**

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android6011:

hypothetically of course

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[R]:

tons of people use myth with a stb

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android6011:

true

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android6011:

so even if coax were to die i suppose tv tuners would adapt

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android6011:

well not that they havnt

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android6011:

i guess worst case scenario is it being built right into tvs, with no video out

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android6011:

there are no hdmi tuners because of hdcp right?

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[R]:

there are... but they don't do hdcp

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sandeen:

is there any option at the moment to do an automatci combined frontend/shutdown when the client has been idle for a time and no recordings are pending ..?

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sandeen:

(all the howtos say it won't shut down if a client is connected ...)

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wagnerrp:

thats why mythwelcome exists

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wagnerrp:

exit the client, disconnect from the backend, but still maintain an application with lirc control

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sandeen:

right but if you start the client from mythwelcome ... do you then have to -exit- for it to shut down again?

[04:59:18]

wagnerrp:

yes

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sandeen:

which goes back to my first question :) because, you see, my 8 year old does not turn off lights, and will not exit the mythtv client ;)

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wagnerrp:

that?.... well ive got nothing

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sandeen:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

best you can do is get some program to regularly poll the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and if it has been doing nothing for a while, kill it

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile, im going to go figure out why my alarm just went off

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sandeen:

seems like shutting down based on "idle" client (idle == nothing playing, no keypresses lately? I dunno) would be reasonable ...

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wagnerrp:

you may even be able to do something fancy, like hook into lirc itself to check for key presses

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[R]:

you could probably query x idle time

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bunnybouy:

hello

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sandeen:

if my stupid tuner cards didn't draw 12W idle I wouldn't care so much :(

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wagnerrp:

seems high

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sandeen:

I know

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sandeen:

but it's what the killawatt says

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sandeen:

2x HVR-1250's

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sandeen:

(6W each that is)

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wagnerrp:

oh, total

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wagnerrp:

well think of it another way, thats $12/yr

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sandeen:

and how many tons of CO2 :)

[05:05:25]

bunnybouy:

i'm wondering if i could get some help compiling the current stable version of mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

if you cant figure out how to compile something on your own, youre much better off with one of the pre-packaged distros

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bunnybouy:

it's a dependancy issue

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bunnybouy:

i'm told that i need to have freetype installed on my system, and i do have it, but SuSE has a way of putting things in odd places

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wagnerrp:

sandeen: some back-of-the-napkin calculation

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wagnerrp:

$12 is 120kWh, or 432MJ

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bunnybouy:

and config --help doesn't indicate if there is a config switch to indicate where the freetype library is

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wagnerrp:

guestimating off a gas turbine peak plant, that would be ~24kg of fuel

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sandeen:

wagnerrp, 105kWh/year I think ... 2 lbs co2 per kwh they say... so 200 lbs of co2 :)

[05:10:20]

sandeen:

probably about as much damage as a handful of cow farts :)

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 20kg of carbon from that fuel

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wagnerrp:

or somewhere around 70kg of CO2

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sandeen:

that's about right; coal is about 2x gas

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sandeen:

*shrug*

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wagnerrp:

or around 150lbs

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sandeen:

still why burn it all night if it's doing nothing right :)

[05:14:59]

wagnerrp:

well that little savings just puts it low on my priority

[05:15:27]

sandeen:

but how many mythboxes are there out there? :)

[05:15:29]

wagnerrp:

considering the 200W or so im already running for other needs

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sandeen:

well, anyway; wasn't asking for anyone to do work, I just wondered if there was an existingsolution for sleeping a box with a running client

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wagnerrp:

there is, but as mentioned, it needs people capable of exiting the frontend...:P

[05:16:22]

sandeen:

heh

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sandeen:

maybe I should attack it on the tuner driver end and see if I can shut off bits of the card when it's idle :) (I actually did that for the tuner already but not sure how to do the rest)

[05:17:52]

wagnerrp:

well shutting off the whole 50–100W machine would be better than shutting off those two cards

[05:18:20]

sandeen:

yes

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wagnerrp:

although its generally easier to just separate them

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wagnerrp:

let the backend come and go as it pleases

[05:18:58]

wagnerrp:

and set your remote to powerdown the computer when it powers down the tv

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sandeen:

well when they're both up, for a single frontend (I only have 1 tv) it's probably more efficient to have them in 1 box on 1 power supply

[05:20:00]

sandeen:

but I guess it complicates the shutdown

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: So, what's the (1) mean in TINYINT(1)? Does it mean that the value should only be allowed to contain a single digit? If so, why does MySQL allow values from -128 to 127?

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sandeen:

if I had 2 tvs I guess it'd be easier :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

tinyint allows the full range, the (1) just affects how data is displayed, probably doesn't affect us too much in this case. if we had tinyint(2), it should left-pad single-digit results up to 2 char widths when printed in something like the command line client.

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sphery:

if I change the column to tinyint without specifying the (1) it works

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Captain_Murdoch:

so 1 is printed as ' 1', 10 as '10'

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Captain_Murdoch:

so qt's handling of hte display width is the issue.

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Captain_Murdoch:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/numeric-types.html

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sphery:

so the bug may be in the formatValue() of QMYSQLDriver

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Captain_Murdoch:

the 2 paragraphs after the table describe it.

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sphery:

I've been on that page reading parts all evening and missed that

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, it would seem they wouldn't even use the display width in toInt(),but who knows.

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bunnybouy:

any idea of how to specify where the font library is at configure time?

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Captain_Murdoch:

heh, ~9 seconds to initially fetch the seektable while the DB/master backend is loaded down doing jobqueue jobs, but replay the same recorrding and it's 0.09 seconds since the results are in the MySQL cache.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks for the help on that ticket/issue

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Captain_Murdoch:

no problem, wanted to see if it warranted a -fixes commit.

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sphery:

I may continue to explore it... Guess I could recompile Qt4 tonight (though doing so--and doing the most current version--will trash my ccache for Myth :( )

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sphery:

I like the current no fix approach

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sphery:

I don't think it will be a common issue

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Captain_Murdoch:

ditto

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sphery:

and a hack every time we access bookmark with a comment explaining the hack seemed annoying

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Captain_Murdoch:

yep

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Captain_Murdoch:

only reason to have done that would have been to not put a DB update in -fixes.

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sphery:

I wonder if Qt4 is treating TINYINT(1) as a BIT/boolean data type (and doing so in a failure-prone way)...

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably doesn't cost much in mysql, might even get optimized out.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I'm now convinced that the only users affected are those who upgraded to trunk mythtv between http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9270 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11016 (a 6-month period from Mar to Sep 2006--all within the 0.19 to 0.20 development cycle) /and/ who still have recordings that underwent the conversions during that upgrade.

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sphery:

definitely not worth a workaround

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Captain_Murdoch:

good.

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Seventoes:

which n64 emulator is best for use with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

the one that supports lirc, or can be exited with your gamepad

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Seventoes:

so mupen? on that note, do you know if visualboyadvance supports lirc?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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Seventoes:

k

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Wicked:

mupen64 comes to mind

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Seventoes:

yup thats what im planning on using :)

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Wicked:

i bought a really nice...real cheap ps2/n64 controller to usb

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Seventoes:

same :D

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Wicked:

:)

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Seventoes:

sitting in front of me now

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Wicked:

works good for me

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Seventoes:

no controller yet though.. doh..

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Seventoes:

did it work otb?

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Wicked:

though i havent played any n64 games

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

plug n play

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Seventoes:

sweeet

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Wicked:

shows up as a joystick

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Wicked:

then you just gotta configure the app with the joystick

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Seventoes:

ftw

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Wicked:

one thing that kinda sucks...is finding working n64 controllers

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Seventoes:

haha.. i'm pretty sure i have a couple at my dads house

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Wicked:

all the ones i own are old and joystick is crap...they all tend to crap out

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** wagnerrp misses the N64 controller **

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Wicked:

the joystick like gets lose or something....but ive found using a ps2 controller is easy to get used to playing n64 games

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wagnerrp:

that whole left side went pretty much unused

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wagnerrp:

but it was just a great controller

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Wicked:

yea it did wagnerrp

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Wicked:

yea. id like to pick one up thats in good condition.

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Wicked:

but this ps2 remote will work for now.

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Seventoes:

know what the hardware reqs are for ps2 emulating?

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wagnerrp:

the ps2/ps3 remote would be great if they moved the front buttons to the underside

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wagnerrp:

you cant put two fingers on the front, and still hold it comfortably

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Wicked:

Seventoes, im not sure. but last time i looked into it...support for emulating them was not that good

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wagnerrp:

make it a big fatter, angle the handles out a bit, shift the buttons to the underside so your first two fingers can hit them while still supporting the controller

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Seventoes:

ahh k

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Wicked:

ive gotten pretty comfortable with the 360 remote ;o

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Seventoes:

anyone compile mupen64plus on 9.10 successfully? mine don'e build

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Seventoes:

wont**

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Seventoes:

uhh nvm it worked this time? weird..

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** wagnerrp wishes meth was legal, so claritin-d wasnt a controlled substance **

[07:24:24]

[R]:

lol

[07:24:31]

justinh:

I thought meth was legal. Come on. Look at GANT

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[R]:

last time i bought cough medicine... the stupid cash register said "is the customer over 18?"

[07:25:03]

wagnerrp:

just because a brit has bad teeth doesnt mean theyre taking meth

[07:25:18]

justinh:

ouch

[07:25:19]

wagnerrp:

18? not 21?

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wagnerrp:

:P

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[R]:

pretty sure it was 18

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wagnerrp:

i guess i should really wish the government flunkies would lay off the crack, and stop limiting things 'in the name of...'

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justinh:

but won't somebody think of the children?!

[07:29:19]

wagnerrp:

children take hits of meth? (is it a hit? i have no idea...)

[07:29:43]

[R]:

you smoke it

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[R]:

atleast tahts what Dog the Bounty Hunter says

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wagnerrp:

i never understood the concept of smoking drugs

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wagnerrp:

i mean theres got to be a more efficient manner of intaking it

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

injecting it

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[R]:

thats how you die

[07:32:38]

justinh:

but injecting is better! Or something

[07:32:48]

justinh:

better for the gene pool, I'd argue :D

[07:33:18]

wagnerrp:

im getting hooked on this stuff

[07:33:26]

wagnerrp:

its supposed to be one pill per 24 hours

[07:33:35]

wagnerrp:

but my nose is clogged up in 22, i want more

[07:34:05]

wagnerrp:

and youre allowed like one pack (of fifteen) a month

[07:34:19]

wagnerrp:

so the other half of the month, youre just SOL

[07:35:31]

wagnerrp:

were sorry, heres a box of tissues, go beat someone at the local legislature with it

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justinh:

ahh the problems incurred by living in the wrong country

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[R]:

why can't you just go to a differnet store?

[07:37:16]

justinh:

time to rsync ma music dirs

[07:37:31]

wagnerrp:

because you go into a database

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wagnerrp:

and bits get dropped into some tube going out to the interwebs

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justinh:

might seem like a stupid question but what about the black market? I mean Canada

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wagnerrp:

and now youre on some federal watch list for being a druggie

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[R]:

really?

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[R]:

sounds like big brother

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justinh:

sounds like the good ole US of A :)

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justinh:

and soon, here too

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wagnerrp:

next time i have to get reviewed for a security clearance (likely in my line of work), it will come up

[07:39:28]

wagnerrp:

"all i wanted was some allergy medicine, i swear"

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

the reason they didn't want commies to get a foothold – they wanted to get there first

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justinh:

wth? thought I'd veryify the movies dir rsync – there's 60 bytes difference

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justinh:

ho hum. can't grumble at 60 bytes

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wagnerrp:

see what 'df' reports

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wagnerrp:

err... du

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justinh:

that *is* du :)

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wagnerrp:

oh

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justinh:

du -c

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justinh:

du -c mythic/movies (the NFS share) vs du -c /myth/movies

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justinh:

mythic/movies is 232871960 total – /myth/movies is 232871900 total

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wagnerrp:

only 232MB? you should be able to check the files individually

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wagnerrp:

232GB.... so thats 60KB

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wagnerrp:

you store coverart in that same directory?

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justinh:

duh yeah. it's early

[07:48:03]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

probably haven't got read perms on one file or something

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wagnerrp:

diff an ls of each

[07:48:37]

justinh:

I'm not gonna quibble over it

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justinh:

I'll be getting the artwork all over again anyway

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justinh:

most of them are crummy low res IMDB offerings

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justinh:

ahh. the difference is in the '24' directory. that's going west anyway

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** wagnerrp is not aware of that phrase **

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justinh:

I'll be getting rid of it anyway

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wagnerrp:

i figured as much

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wagnerrp:

just never heard that before

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justinh:

funny thing – yesterday I referred to something as being as rare as rocking horse (crap) & my wife found it hilarious. in the 10 years we've known each other I'd never used it in front of her apparently

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[R]:

rocking horse?

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wagnerrp:

toy horse, with curved pieces of wood attached to the legs

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wagnerrp:

so you can rock

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justinh:

amazing the cultural differences that crop up in here sometimes :P

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wagnerrp:

thats not cultural, i got that one

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justinh:

like a rocking chair, but with a toy horse instead of a chair for kids to sit on

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justinh:

you just don't see them anymore. that must be what's wrong with society today

[07:57:12]

justinh:

well, that & people keep removing settings from mythtv :P

[07:58:19]

justinh:

oh sod off update manager

[07:59:16]

justinh:

one of the things i used to love about linux was that it wouldn't nag me about needing to update stuff

[07:59:55]

justinh:

still, I guess at least ubuntu don't force updates on us. Reboot in 5 minutes or else!

[08:00:05]

wagnerrp:

at least windows just goes ahead and does it... and then up and reboots

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wagnerrp:

heh

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justinh:

oops I forgot to say "yet"

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justinh:

wonder if there's any scanning info in the official docs

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justinh:

not the wiki, I mean the *real* docs

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Jester86:

hello, i have a question/problem.. my box was recording a show when it lost power and now it no longer records saying that it cannot find an active card for the recording.. any clues?

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mchou:

Jester86: reboot

[08:17:38]

Jester86:

mchou, I have.. to no avail

[08:17:53]

mchou:

Jester86: then chech the DB

[08:17:54]

Jester86:

i have deleted the cards and reconfigured them also

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mchou:

check*

[08:18:06]

Jester86:

explain please

[08:18:39]

mchou:

probably some table in db is marking the card active

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Jester86:

when i click on Watch TV i get the black screen that says "Please wait..." then it just times out and returns to the main menu screen

[08:19:38]

mchou:

but more likely since you reconfiged the cards you need to set them up in mythtv-setup again

[08:19:43]

Jester86:

mchou, how do i go about doing this please? its been a long time since I've gotten to use mythtv.. this is my first attempt after not using it for 4 yrs

[08:20:10]

mchou:

I just told you

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Jester86:

mchou, I have reconfigured/set them up in mythtv-setup already

[08:20:16]

mchou:

mythtv-setup

[08:20:24]

Jester86:

i have done that twice now!

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mchou:

well, you didnt tell me that b4

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mchou:

how was I supposed to know?

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Jester86:

i said it right after you said Jester: then check the DB

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sphery:

oh, you found #mythtv-users

[08:21:40]

sphery:

sorry

[08:22:02]

Jester86:

but at any rate.. if its not the cards then i would assume its DB related also, I just dont know how to go about fixing the DB

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Jester86:

its cool, thanks sphery

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sphery:

Jester86: you can check the DB by running optimize_mythdb.pl (from contrib) or running Repair Database from MythWeb setup under Database

[08:22:34]

sphery:

or by running mysqlcheck --repair manually

[08:23:20]

sphery:

i.e. you almost definitely have a crashed table(s) in your database and need to have mysql repair it (which all three of the methods I mentioned will do)

[08:24:54]

Jester86:

yeah, i've just never done this b4

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Jester86:

what way do you think i should go about doing it?

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mchou:

run mysqlcheck from the command line

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Jester86:

I did

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sphery:

I'm a big fan of optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

you can't just run mysqlcheck--you have to pass the appropriate command-line arguments

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sphery:

one of which is --repair

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mchou:

mysqlcheck -u username -ppass mythconverg

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sphery:

--repair\

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sphery:

or just run optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

with no args

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mchou:

no, you dont run a repair befor running mysqlcheck

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sphery:

why not?

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mchou:

because there s no need to repair if it's OK

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sphery:

and, you know what? mysql knows that too

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sphery:

so if you say repair and the table doesn't need repairing...

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Jester86:

mchou, its not working

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Jester86:

sphery, where is optimize_.. located?

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mchou:

what exactly isnt working?

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Jester86:

it says access denied

[08:30:12]

Jester86:

i have to be su?

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Jester86:

that didnt work

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mchou:

cause cause you dont have right username or passwd

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mchou:

and that's the credential for the DB

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sphery:

Jester86: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database and in case you don't know where it is on your system: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=txt

[08:31:06]

Jester86:

how can i get the right ?

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mchou:

not your linux login

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Jester86:

what is it then mchou ? can i find it in setup?

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mchou:

sigh

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mchou:

I'm not clairvoyant

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Jester86:

haha

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Jester86:

well i say the username isn't my login for linux right..

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sphery:

optimize_mythdb.pl is clairvoyant--it uses your config files to figure it out

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Jester86:

mchou, how are u supposed to figure out ur username and password if its not the username and password associated w/ my linux user?

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mchou:

you dont need to figure it out

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Jester86:

?

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mchou:

you look it up in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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mchou:

or wherever it might be stored

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mchou:

you're the dud that set it up

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mchou:

dude*

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Jester86:

I'm using mythbuntu, all i did was create a username

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Jester86:

being my linux username

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mchou:

then go ask the mythbuntu people

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Jester86:

found it

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Jester86:

thanks

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justinh:

rofl. our new PTZ camera looks like Jonny 5

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Jester86:

sphery,

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Jester86:

sphery, you still here?

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justinh:

sphery isn't the only one here capable of helping, you know

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sphery:

heh, I am here, though

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sphery:

Jester86: you can't get optimize_mythdb.pl to work?

[09:18:56]

Jester86:

all u have to do is run python opt..pl right?

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sphery:

perl optimize_mythdb.pl

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Jester86:

holy shit

[09:19:22]

Jester86:

haha

[09:19:27]

Jester86:

wow its later than i thought

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I hear you

[09:19:42]

sphery:

I should have gone to sleep 4 hours ago

[09:19:55]

Jester86:

should i have the backend off for this?

[09:19:59]

Jester86:

yeah u and be both

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sphery:

you don't need to turn off the backend

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Jester86:

reboot after having run it?

[09:20:36]

sphery:

though it wouldn't hurt to restart the backend (all backends and frontends) after fixing the DB

[09:20:48]

sphery:

rebooting is a nice quick and easy way to restart it all

[09:20:56]

sphery:

did the script complete successfully?

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Jester86:

seems to have

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sphery:

saw lots of OK's pass by?

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Jester86:

yes sir

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sphery:

great

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sphery:

so, restart/reboot and you should be all set

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Jester86:

i tried doing the other guys method too after i found where the mythbuntu guys hide everything

[09:22:02]

Jester86:

his method did not yield successful results

[09:22:04]

sphery:

yeah, either works

[09:22:18]

sphery:

but mysqlcheck is a lot more complicated to run

[09:22:34]

Jester86:

well it didnt fix the problem when i ran it :-\

[09:22:44]

Jester86:

so lets hope ur method works lol

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sphery:

however, there's one case where it's the only approach--if your settings table crashes, optimize_mythdb.pl won't work

[09:23:08]

Jester86:

bah!! neither method work!

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mchou:

lol

[09:23:20]

sphery:

did you try rebooting?

[09:23:23]

Jester86:

it just says please wait then crashes out

[09:23:25]

mchou:

classic

[09:23:25]

Jester86:

lol

[09:23:35]

Jester86:

F*CK MythTV lol

[09:23:40]

Jester86:

wheres windows MCE lol jk

[09:23:45]

sphery:

did you try rebooting?

[09:23:50]

Jester86:

yeah i did

[09:23:53]

mchou:

Jester86: I gave you pedal to metal method

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sphery:

another issue which could cause it should be solved by rebooting

[09:24:19]

mchou:

if that doesnt work it's unlikely that perl script would

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Jester86:

neither worked

[09:24:40]

Jester86:

and i've rebooted and reconfigured cards multiple times

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sphery:

*** provided that the mysqlcheck is run with the appropriate arguments

[09:25:12]

sphery:

that's just saying that it's easy to do it wrong and wonder why it didn't work

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Jester86:

and PVR150s arent hard to setup so I know I didnt mess that up lol

[09:25:18]

mchou:

sphery: what approriate arguments? username and passwd is all that's necessary

[09:25:39]

sphery:

if you just do check with username and password, it's not doing anything for crashed tables

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Jester86:

mchou, dont forget the name of the DB ;)

[09:25:40]

mchou:

sphery: that isnt rocket science

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sphery:

no, but it is a 30-minute read in the mysql docs

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Jester86:

alright well do either of you have any other ideas what could be the problem?

[09:26:09]

mchou:

baloney

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sphery:

and even you seem to not understand how mysqlcheck works

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mchou:

Jester86: yeah, you DB is fucked up

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Jester86:

haha

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Jester86:

solution?

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mchou:

windoze

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sphery:

Jester86: I'm guessing it's more likely your capture card/video source/input connections configuration

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Elwell:

Is this the right place to discuss mythbuntu?

[09:27:28]

Jester86:

sphery, I know its not them :(

[09:27:30]

sphery:

Jester86: can you pastebin a mythbackend log that shows what happens when you try to start LiveTV

[09:27:38]

mchou:

Elwell: not if your mythbuntu crashed

[09:28:08]

mchou:

Elwell: like it did for Jester86

[09:28:12]

Elwell:

mchou: :-) nope, more 'is anyone updating the installation guide, or shall I get stuck in'

[09:28:34]

sphery:

Elwell: for MythTV stuff, this is a good place. For *buntu stuff, #mythbuntu is better

[09:28:53]

Elwell:

having just installed from scratch – OK hadnrt seen that channel

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sphery:

I think it's actually #ubuntu-mythtv but it should redirect

[09:29:37]

Elwell:

it did

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Jester86:

should i run mythfilldatabase? it takes like 20–30min

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Jester86:

I ran it b4 the last reboot..

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mchou:

Jester86: mythfilldb? why would you even contemplate running that if your db is screwed?

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sphery:

shouldn't need to unless you delete your video sources

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Elwell:

ok – myth only Q then — for EIT data (only schedule source) — do I have to do anything to fill the DB?

[09:32:01]

mchou:

Elwell: where you live?

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sphery:

Elwell: nope, just enable EIT on the video source and the channels you want to use it on then wait. You may have to toggle the active/passive EIT option and/or the Open DVB card on demand option (some cards are very picky about which combination of those works)

[09:32:25]

Elwell:

mchou: switzerland, but I get dvb-t over local cable co

[09:33:14]

Elwell:

its a freecom usb stick — I knwo the windows drivers for it pick up EPG

[09:33:19]

mchou:

Elwell: OK. How far out are EITss over there?

[09:33:31]

mchou:

EITs*

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Elwell:

right now, there's nothing in myth

[09:33:48]

mchou:

Elwell: nono, in general

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Elwell:

installed laast night and left it overnight to update

[09:34:25]

Elwell:

tbh, don't know yet (only moved to new house last week and not watched TV yet!(

[09:35:06]

Elwell:

http://www.sefanet.ch/index.php?option=com_co . . . mp;Itemid=39 <-- supplier (french)

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Jester86:

sphery, where is the log?

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mchou:

Elwell: heh, at least it's not german

[09:36:23]

Elwell:

true – if I get it working, whats involved in publishing the schedules to others?

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sphery:

Jester86: probably under /var/log

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mchou:

Elwell: xmltv

[09:36:58]

mchou:

Elwell: you should check that FIRST

[09:37:54]

mchou:

I need to move to amsterdam

[09:38:29]

mchou:

100mb ethernet both directonts for 40 euros

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mchou:

directions*

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mchou:

that's crazy

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Jester86:

mchou, u still have no clue as to how to fix this?

[09:39:19]

mchou:

Jester86: I havent been following for last half hour

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Jester86:

ohh

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Jester86:

well i've "repaired" the db but no use

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mchou:

Jester86: if you DB is screwed and you have now backup then you're pretty much left with re-install

[09:40:32]

Jester86:

no way to just dump it and have it recreate?

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sphery:

I still don't think the DB is broken

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mchou:

Jester86: eithe the DB is good or it isnt. There is no "betwwen"

[09:41:02]

mchou:

between*

[09:41:08]

Jester86:

yeah but theres no way to have mythtv build a new db?

[09:41:21]

Jester86:

sphery, what can i do then?

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sphery:

you could start from scratch

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sphery:

pastebin the backend log

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Jester86:

wheres the log kept sphery ?

[09:42:06]

sphery:

11.03 04:36:36 <+sphery> Jester86: probably under /var/log

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Jester86:

oh i didnt know if mysql kept a sep log or not

[09:42:37]

Jester86:

i see their both in here tho ..

[09:42:41]

Jester86:

u want just mythtv log

[09:42:50]

sphery:

the mythbackend log

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sphery:

might be called mythtv

[09:43:36]

Jester86:

yeah i found it.. h/o tranferring it to my dropbox

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Jester86:

sphery, heres the link to my log: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2019485/mythbackend.log

[09:46:15]

mchou:

lol

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Jester86:

dropbox is a program you should all check out, its pretty awesome for filesharing between pc's.. desktop, laptop, mythbox

[09:46:43]

mchou:

screw dropbox

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Jester86:

its like ubuntu one but i like it more

[09:46:49]

mchou:

pastebin

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mchou:

has the benefit of line numbers

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mchou:

Jester86: you setup is messed up

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mchou:

line 20

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mchou:

your*

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sphery:

Jester86: it's definitely an issue with capture card/video source/input connections

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sphery:

Jester86: I recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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mchou:

line 31 too

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sphery:

Jester86: make sure you select "IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card" for PVR-150

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Jester86:

yeah thats what i've been doing :-\

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mchou:

This is just all sorts of fubar

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Jester86:

should i recreate my video sources too?

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mchou:

all to do with you capture card settings

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mchou:

your*

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mchou:

rrrrr

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sphery:

Jester86: ah, I see--that's got a bunch of old runs in it, too

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mchou:

r key seems tor work

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sphery:

Jester86: for now, don't delete the video source

[09:51:25]

Jester86:

alright

[09:51:26]

sphery:

delete the capture card

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Jester86:

i did

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sphery:

with Delete /all/ capture cards

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Jester86:

recreated them and rebooting

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sphery:

then re-create, then go into Input Connections

[09:52:13]

sphery:

then associate TWC Digital Cable with the appropriate input

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sphery:

(i.e. Composite or S-Video)

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mchou:

lol

[09:52:33]

mchou:

he has bigger issues

[09:52:44]

mchou:

like directory and file perms too

[09:52:48]

sphery:

yeah

[09:52:50]

Jester86:

digital doesnt have a card yet.. i'm only working w/ my analog cards currently

[09:53:06]

Jester86:

I think I've already fixed those issues

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sphery:

all of /var/lib/mythtv needs fixed

[09:53:22]

sphery:

you should not have any video sources defined that aren't connected

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mchou:

not according to the logs

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sphery:

you need to delete any unconnected sources

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sphery:

(same for cards)

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sphery:

If Myth isn't using it, yet, don't tell Myth it is using it.

[09:56:13]

Jester86:

i think the problems u see from the /var/lib.. mythtv is from b4

[09:57:01]

sphery:

seeing them as of: 2009-11–03 04:29:30.649 SG(Videos) Error: Group 'Videos' wants to use directory '/var/lib/mythtv/videos/', but this directory is not writeable.

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Jester86:

what i've done is mounted my external hdd and created a link that points from /var/lib/mythtv to my hdd's mythtv directory which contains all of the same data

[09:57:24]

Jester86:

hmm

[09:57:26]

Jester86:

lemme check that

[09:57:44]

sphery:

what filesystem on the external HDD?

[09:57:46]

Jester86:

everything was working fine prior to it losing power..

[09:57:51]

Jester86:

ext4 i believe

[09:57:57]

Jester86:

same as the OS itself

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sphery:

then please http://www.pastebin.ca/ the output of : ls -l /var/lib/mythtv

[09:59:48]

Jester86:

fuckin a i think i figured it out

[09:59:52]

Jester86:

lemme try this

[10:00:59]

Jester86:

FUCK i'm an idiot!

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Jester86:

thanks guys for your help.. it was def a permissions issue

[10:01:31]

Jester86:

at some point my drive went from rw to r

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mchou:

lol

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Jester86:

must have had to do w/ the sudden lose of power?

[10:02:18]

Jester86:

lemme reboot and make sure its not doing that due to how i'm having it mount

[10:03:20]

Jester86:

seriously tho, thank you guys for your help... sorry I'm an idiot!

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Jester86:

what permissions would u grant the HDD if you were me in fstab?

[10:03:57]

Jester86:

i've got rw,users currently.. should i add more?

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Dibblah:

Bloody Karmic.

[10:06:04]

Jester86:

mchou, i am so stupid haha

[10:06:07]

Dibblah:

It's forcing my drives to spin up once an hour. And with a 20 minute idle timeout, that means waaay more power :(

[10:09:06]

clever:

Dibblah: turn on block dump

[10:09:23]

Dibblah:

Yeah, I know that option.

[10:09:34]

clever:

then kill whatever service is to blame

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Jester86:

sphery, thanks for your help!

[10:09:45]

Jester86:

mchou, thanks to you also!

[10:10:08]

mchou:

Jester86: good luck

[10:10:25]

Jester86:

oh i'm fine now.. its up and running again

[10:11:00]

Jester86:

just couldnt figure out that damn permissions shit lol.. thats the problem w/ using a eSATA drive for the storage and a diff for the OS :-\

[10:11:13]

Jester86:

should just put it all on the same drive..

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Jester86:

hmm this is a new problem haha

[10:12:27]

Jester86:

when i hit guide it crashes

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

what are the odds linux will recognize my old USB 2.0 Sabrent TVBOX tuner haha

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justinh:

pretty slim actually

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sphery:

Jester86: what theme? If metallurgy, it's a known issue--use a different theme or delete the programguide-video window definition from metallurgy

[10:33:06]

sphery:

if it's not metallurgy, please let me know which it is

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justinh:

saw the mythbuntu theme properly last night. it's alright apart from the hatched background

[10:36:10]

justinh:

and the layout of the PBB screen

[10:36:18]

justinh:

and the text cutoffs

[10:36:45]

justinh:

actually there's a hell of a lot of text cutting off going on, even in Graphite

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purserj:

win 23

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Elwell:

justinh: it also seemed slower compared to the blue one

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[10:44:18]

justinh:

blue one? oo that narrows it down

[10:44:37]

justinh:

none of them seem slow on my new box :)

[10:48:42]

justinh:

definitely no 2 ways about it. I need to do a new theme

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justinh:

but for 0.23

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justinh:

think it might be time to go trunkish

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Elwell:

justinh: um, sorry (blew away frontend) the original theme – /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu

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justinh:

that's a menu, not a theme

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Elwell:

MythCenter then (grepped the wrong thing)

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justinh:

shudder

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Elwell:

hey – the test is 'is it as intuitive as our series 1 tivo' :-)

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justinh:

the test for me is.. does it look like ass?

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Elwell:

which reminds me – need a lirc receiver to wor with a tivo remote

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pak0:

hi all people

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pak0:

good morning

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pak0:

still fighting with my problem of little lost of signal on mytv

[11:09:02]

pak0:

im testing one dvb-t for usb and another dvb-t pci

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pak0:

my pci have more lost of signal, can do problems my graphic card? is near the dvb-t pci card

[11:10:36]

Jester86:

sphery, I changed stuff around and everythings working great now.. thanks

[11:11:13]

sphery:

great

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sphery:

enjoy

[11:12:07]

Jester86:

yes, its a beautiful thing lol

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pak0:

how can i refort the signal ? i have very good signal, the problem is using pci dvb-t cards? i have the same problem in two cpus with dvb-t for pci

[11:14:28]

pak0:

i dunno how i can ask better my problem, my english is too low

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Jester86:

anyone try any DVB-S cards?

[11:15:20]

pak0:

all work fine on mythtv, but tv with dvb-t on pci card have a little lost of signal, i can?t find solution on google or wiki mythtv

[11:15:40]

pak0:

jester, i have used hauppauge hvr3000 and works fine

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pak0:

but not hd support

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Jester86:

DVBs?

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Jester86:

or DVB T?

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pak0:

hvr3000 have 2 tuners, one for dvbs and one for dvb-t

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Jester86:

nice

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Jester86:

what sort of channels do u pick up via sat?

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pak0:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hvr3000.html

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pak0:

all free channels

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Jester86:

do u get many sat channels?

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Jester86:

approximate number?

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pak0:

this http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_hvr4000.html is best solution i think

[11:18:00]

Jester86:

do u get discovery channels?

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pak0:

yes

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pak0:

on spain

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Jester86:

hmm

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mchou:

pak0: pastebin lspci output

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Jester86:

have you looked into pirating at all?

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sid3windr:

lol?

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sphery:

pak0: make sure all your RG-59/RG-6 cable runs and unused splitter outputs are terminated, use only as many splitters as completely necessary, ensure you have good connectors/crimps on your cables and good connections to the cards, and use an amplifier if necessary

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sphery:

Jester86: we don't talk about pirating here

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sphery:

it's a bannable offense

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mchou:

pak0: need to see you sorry, lsmod output

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mchou:

your*

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sphery:

(and not generally a good idea in a public, archived channel)

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** justinh pirates the mythtv tarballs & puts them on the Leet Bay **

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Jester86:

i was most wondering if it could even be done w a DVB-S card since i doubt mythtv has any sort of decryption software

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sphery:

Myth has no decryption capability--it only works with unencrypted data (which can either be unencrypted to start with or decrypted by a hardware CAM)

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justinh:

ouch. we don't talk about that here either

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mchou:

speaking of which whatever happened to that single mom who owes RIAA millions?

[11:21:24]

justinh:

so you get a CI & CAM for the provider, and use a CI & CAM PER TUNER

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mchou:

neever heard peep about her after her lawyer said they'd appeal

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justinh:

no sharing

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pak0:

you need i do lsmod why?

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sphery:

though the CI & CAM aren't available to us in the US of DRM

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pak0:

all is correct

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mchou:

pak0: cause I suspect a HW issue

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pak0:

sphery, i called one technician for cable and my cable works great

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justinh:

pak0: how many times have you split the cable?

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pak0:

ok mchou, thank you for our support, one second

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Jester86:

do you guys know of any cards which would work with a cable card so I could receive my digital cable directly to the PC verses having to svid it to my card and IR blast the receiver box?

[11:22:29]

mchou:

pak0: put the output in pastebin

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pak0:

1 time only

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pak0:

ok, letme make on my htpc

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sphery:

pak0: yeah, just make sure it's working great /after/ it goes through all your cable runs/splitters/...

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Jester86:

or do you know of any TWC boxes that work as a set-top box?

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pak0:

the technician says yes

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pak0:

i can use the two cables on tv and works fine w/o any loss of signal

[11:25:15]

mchou:

pak0: so on the computer, you getting lots of pixelation?

[11:25:20]

pak0:

yes

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pak0:

in some channels yes, in others no

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mchou:

pak0: need lsmod

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pak0:

ok

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pak0:

http://pastebin.com/m12780e0d

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pak0:

you see anything bad?

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mchou:

never mind

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mchou:

my theory is incorrect

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mchou:

but it could still be a HW issue

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mchou:

something doesnt make sense in that lsmod output

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mchou:

where the hell are the modules for the card?

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mchou:

I see dvb_usb

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mchou:

but your card is not usb

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pak0:

i have one dvb-t for pci and another for usb

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mchou:

no, that's my point

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mchou:

I dont see any dvb modules for PCI

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mchou:

I could be going blind in my old age

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mchou:

but I dont see it

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mchou:

whatever your problem is its not due to hvr3000....cause it's not even loaded

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mm_:

hi

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mm_:

is it somehow possible to override menu-ui.xml of a certain theme?

[11:42:56]

mm_:

mainmenu.xml can be overridden by putting mainmenu.xml in ~/.mythtv/

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mm_:

this does not work for menu-ui.xml

[11:43:13]

Jester86:

man I may really have to set up a FTA sat system

[11:43:37]

Jester86:

i mean its.. free ;) lol

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Jester86:

pak0, what size of sat dish do you use?

[11:45:15]

mchou:

Jester86: he probably disappeared on us

[11:46:03]

Jester86:

it does seem that way

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mchou:

too busy pirating

[11:46:20]

Jester86:

but honestly.. FTA sat sounds decent.. I have two non-used dishes also lol

[11:47:18]

pak0:

normal sat, installed by canal+

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pak0:

i`m looking for one dvb-s with support for hd and where i can insert my card of canal+ and wach alll channels i have payed

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mchou:

pak0: I have no idea what HW is in you box besides USB dvb

[11:48:51]

pak0:

my usbdvb in directly to my pc

[11:48:59]

mchou:

pak0: cause pci dvb modules dont seem to be loaded

[11:49:07]

pak0:

oh, you say wath dvb-usb i use?

[11:49:20]

pak0:

npg real dvb-t

[11:49:25]

mchou:

no, I ask you what PCI dvb you use

[11:49:28]

pak0:

but the problem i think is on my dvb-t on pci

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pak0:

kworld pc160

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

wtf

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mchou:

why were you mentioning hvr3000 then?

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pak0:

because jester ask about dvb-s cards

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mchou:

fuck it dude

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pak0:

and last year i have used the hvr-3000, but i sell it

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pak0:

xD

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pak0:

im sorry to much mchou

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pak0:

my english is very low xD

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pak0:

hehehe

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pak0:

i still studing now

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mchou:

pak0: what kernel you running?

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mchou:

pak0: I see it now, line 38

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mchou:

but that's still USB

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pak0:

latest kernel

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mchou:

dont tell me latest kernel

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mchou:

tell me kernel VERSION

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pak0:

2.6.31–14

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pak0:

-generic

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justinh:

heh another complaint that arrow key accelerators have gone byebyes

[12:43:04]

sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

more a "I didn't know that I was using arrow key accelerators before", though

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justinh:

still counts

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justinh:

finding loads of truncated text :-\

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justinh:

quite disappointed with 0.22RC2 at the mo, but I only have myself to blame

[12:47:18]

Elwell:

is there a command line tool to see if I can get any EIT data from my USB tuner?

[12:47:38]

sphery:

dvbsnoop ?

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sphery:

justinh: are you absolutely certain your display aspect ratio is set properly?

[12:48:31]

sphery:

you'll get all kinds of font-sizing issues if not

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Dibblah:

Please w...

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Dibblah:

;)

[12:49:17]

sphery:

and make sure your distro isn't "helping" you out by doing things like setting the fontconfig DPI

[12:49:24]

sphery:

that will also break it

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justinh:

sphery: 16:9 with a 16:9 theme

[12:50:20]

sphery:

that's 16:9 physical aspect with a 16:9 DisplaySize and a 16:9 theme?

[12:50:21]

justinh:

oh wait, this is running wiht -geometry on a 4:3 desktop though

[12:50:32]

justinh:

you mean it's not supported? FFS

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sphery:

you can use -geometry that differs

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oobe:

pak0, you nick reminds me of a network device

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sphery:

I do 16:9 on a 5:4 display all the time

[12:51:21]

sphery:

but you have to have your 4:3 X desktop configured with a 4:3 DisplaySize

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oobe:

i havent seen 5:4

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sphery:

1280x1024?

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justinh:

yup

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sphery:

1280x1024 /is/ 5:4, btw, and if you set it as 4:3, you will get the exact issue you're seeing

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justinh:

never changed it

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sphery:

so what is your screen res?

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oobe:

oh ok i just looked it up

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justinh:

sorry I thought my res was 4:3

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justinh:

nevermind

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oobe:

they look the same to me

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oobe:

http://salestores.com/stores/images/images_747/19RCM.jpg

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sphery:

1.25 vs 1.33, so not much difference

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justinh:

gonna have to start from scratch

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sphery:

and some 1280x1024 screens are actually 4:3 aspect and others are 5:4... /most/ LCD's should be 5:4 (because LCD's generally use square pixels)

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sphery:

CRT's are often 4:3

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justinh:

this is inside a freenx session :)

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sphery:

ah, no idea how that will affect things

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sphery:

as the virtual X server (assuming that it's something like VNC) has its own settings

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justinh:

what kind of crack have all these themers been smoking?

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Elwell:

hmm. nada from dvbsnoop. most odd.

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justinh:

sooo.. I'm gonna pay for being out of the loop for so long

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justinh:

I think I'll just head straight for trunk. not much point trying to sort something out for this

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justinh:

funny thing is I really liked the majority of the screenshots I saw

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oobe:

it wont take you too long justinh

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justinh:

it bloody will

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justinh:

ok. blue-abstract is the closest I've seen to something I find palatable on enough levels

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oobe:

u will probably want to replace that backdrop images though

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oobe:

*image

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

mythbuntu is close too

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justinh:

and guess what – both of those stick to the original paradigm pretty much

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justinh:

not keen on fanart backgrounds at all

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oobe:

thats why i liked blue abstract cause it has a nice video-ui but it has the old menu that im used to using

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justinh:

context is really important

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oobe:

easy to navigate

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oobe:

do you like Graphite video-ui

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justinh:

yes

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oobe:

you can copy it into most theme dirs and it integrates ok

[13:19:51]

justinh:

there, the context is right

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justinh:

in all the views

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oobe:

but you need to comment out a small amount so the util bar mask doesnt get in the way

[13:20:30]

oobe:

i cant remember exactly what i modded but i can send you a copy

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justinh:

nah it's ok

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justinh:

I look forward to the months of fun

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oobe:

looks good with metalurgy

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justinh:

I won't be doing anything like even *most* of the screens#

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justinh:

mythmusic, mythvideo, watch recordings, the finder & the guide

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justinh:

and the menus & popups

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** ivor grumbles about the lack of small electronics shops nowadays. :( **

[13:22:21]

oobe:

you mean when you make your own theme

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justinh:

the days of me setting out to please people are gone

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oobe:

you tryed to please people?

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justinh:

ivor: Maplins used to be ok til they had the labotomy

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justinh:

oobe: yeah why else would I theme screens I never f'ing used in grayhem, blootube etc? ;-)

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ivor:

all i need is one resistor.... unfortunately it's not your normal resistor.

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justinh:

not got an RS trade counter in spitting distance?

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justinh:

or Farnell?

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justinh:

I know they charge over the odds but needs generally dictate using em

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Elwell:

ok – if I do a tzap and run dvbsnoop I can see some eit data, but nada in myth.

[13:24:49]

Elwell:

where can I turn debugging up?

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ivor:

justinh: RS I guess. but then I'll have to buy 10.

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justinh:

Elwell: so did you set myth up correctly?

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ivor:

just want one.....

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Elwell:

justinh: I *think* so, ie its ticked in video source

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justinh:

Elwell: you should have made a video source, told it to use EIT then linked that source to the card input

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Elwell:

yep

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justinh:

it takes a while for data to come through though

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ivor:

hence my despair at the lack of little elecronics shops.

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Elwell:

tuning etc works, just no programme guide

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justinh:

ivor: Newcastle on Tyne still has Aitken Bros. Still the same great shop it was when I was a kid

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justinh:

and Newcastle has 3 Maplin shops within 5 miles

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Elwell:

in Glasow the manager of 'west regent electronics' jumped ship when maplins opened there

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Elwell:

and closed that one down :-/

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oobe:

justinh, you dont use mythvideo?

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justinh:

I said mythvideo

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oobe:

yeah i know

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oobe:

just find that strange

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justinh:

no I DO use mythvideo

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oobe:

oh ok

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justinh:

I don't use mythweather, mythgame, mythmovies, mythzoneminder...

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justinh:

mythmusic, mythvideo are the only frontend plugins I use#

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justinh:

sometimes mythmovies when the grabber script works

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oobe:

well all of this will get themed by default-wide

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oobe:

and those are pretty generic templates and will fit in

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justinh:

and if I *do* ever release what I do, it'll be anonymous

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justinh:

no contact details. no email address. no credit

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justinh:

no hassle!

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justinh:

aka "great work! can you just..."

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Jester86:

holycrap.. i love mythweb.. never used it b4 lol

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justinh:

oo actually I've not installed that on the new box yet

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oobe:

i think you shouldnt do it anonymously

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oobe:

i really dont see why you cant just ignore ppl

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oobe:

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Elwell:

Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

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oobe:

see you can ignore ppl

[13:35:58]

Elwell:

hmm – mythweb doesn't like running over a SSH tunnel?

[13:38:17]

Dibblah:

Don't anthropomorphise Mythweb. It doesn't like it.

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ivor:

i see what you did there... :)

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justinh:

grrr @ some themes not having button list wrapping

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justinh:

ah I forgot flac albumart isn't supported

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Dibblah:

Bugger.

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** Dibblah gets the feeling that multirec is more trouble than it's worth :( **

[14:12:49]

Dibblah:

There is a setting that allows channel changes over inputs, isn't there?

[14:13:17]

justinh:

I thought browsing across tuners was committed

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Dibblah:

... ie the situation where the frontend is watching live TV on a tuner that happens to be in-use.

[14:14:00]

Dibblah:

So did I – But it either doesn't work or I haven't configured it correctly :(

[14:15:19]

justinh:

it might be hidden in the db

[14:15:58]

justinh:

BrowseAllTuners

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Dibblah:

svn down again? :(

[14:17:07]

anykey__:

justinh: it isn't, I think its unter Playback -> OSD

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anykey__:

first page, bottom left

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justinh:

it's in mythfrontend, globalsettings.cpp :)

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justinh:

see there I was looking for it in EPG settings for some reason

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justinh:

seen as it relates to *channels*

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Dibblah:

Why, for the love of all that is holy is there a setting?

[14:18:57]

Dibblah:

Please, show me a use-case for that being off.

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Dibblah:

And DEFAULTING to off.

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justinh:

lol

[14:19:26]

Dibblah:

Sure – In the case where you want to prefer local tuners.

[14:19:36]

Dibblah:

But... How many people are in that situation?

[14:19:41]

justinh:

why would you wanna prefer local tuners?

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justinh:

not like the network adds much lag

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anykey__:

justinh: because you don't block the servers tuners, which will then schedule a recording on a local tuner, preventing the frontend to shutdown? ;)

[14:20:56]

justinh:

muh, bloody tree huggers

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ivor:

justinh: where....

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justinh:

then again I'm one to talk, always shutting my frontend down

[14:22:39]

Elwell:

hmm, minor bug in mythweb – if the backend is down (running mythtv-setup), status won't display on web (Cannot modify header information – headers already sent)

[14:22:58]

justinh:

if the backend is down, then mythweb is no use :P

[14:23:14]

justinh:

it relies on mythbackend running

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Elwell:

justinh: indeed, but should fail gracefuilly

[14:23:56]

justinh:

it does, with an error screen telling you it can't connect to the backend

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Elwell:

*hopefully* its a fixable one

[14:24:18]

** Elwell checks out and rolls up sleeves **

[14:24:28]

justinh:

if the backend is offline there's FA you can do about it from mythweb

[14:25:30]

Elwell:

/mythweb/status is giving http://pastebin.com/d5e31ff45

[14:26:05]

justinh:

that's not supposed to happen AFAIK

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Elwell:

yeah – thats why I figured its fixable :-)

[14:27:42]

justinh:

wow that's much different to what it used to do

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justinh:

looks nicer now :)

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justinh:

grr I'd nuke svn but somebody else got there first

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drmacro:

If there is a firwire port on my cable box and I have FW and a NVIDIA 9x card on the pc, do I need a tv card?

[14:39:29]

justinh:

depends what you get out of the firewire port, I'd say

[14:39:51]

justinh:

and whether or not you're happy with whatever comes out of the port ;-)

[14:40:36]

justinh:

some people get basic digital cable out of their fw port, others get everything they pay for. some get nothing

[14:41:23]

justinh:

legally they have to provide you with at least what you can get over the air, unenrypted IIRC

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drmacro:

justinh: sure, so if there is signal there and it's something I want to record, I don't need a tv card, am I correct?

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justinh:

you don't need a TV tuner, no

[14:42:36]

justinh:

well unless you want to record *more* :)

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justinh:

it wasn't long before I found one signal source wasn't enough

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oobe:

i use tuners and dont know anything about fw out of curiosity how does mythbackend change channels on the stb to record a scheduled recording

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justinh:

oobe: firewire signalling :)

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oobe:

oh ok so myth sends a signal to the stb and the stb understands to change the channel

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drmacro:

justinh: so if I understand what I've been reading the myth backend will handle the recording from a FW?

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justinh:

in theory

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justinh:

drmacro: yup

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justinh:

assuming your STB is compatible and is actually enabled

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drmacro:

justinh: yes, well, I wanted to figure out the minimum hardware I needed to "experiment"

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justinh:

oh noes, not minimum hardware again

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justinh:

don't skimp on CPU ;-)

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justinh:

then again I think even the cheapest CPU you can buy these days can deal with mpeg2 HD

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drmacro:

justinh: minimum was the wrong word...more like: do I have enough stuff handy to try it.

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justinh:

yes, you do

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drmacro:

justinh: have you heard anybody mention their experience with Charter Digital Cable?

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drmacro:

and Myth

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justinh:

not so's I've noticed, but I'm not in the US

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drmacro:

justinh: where?

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justinh:

UK

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drmacro:

justinh: cool, spent a good deal of time in Cambridge a decade or so back

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drmacro:

justinh: so what's the story with the non-existant town shown in google maps?

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Elwell:

FYI a via eden EN12000EG isn't enough for a combined frontend/backend :-/

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

Elwell: no crap :)

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Elwell:

yeah – I originally bought it as a frontend, didn;t work, gave up, used it as a general purpose box, now back in service with myth – need to see what its best at

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justinh:

Elwell: anybody here could've told you that

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justinh:

they can work if you really know what you're doing, are persistent and patient

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Elwell:

yeah – I'm hoping it'll cope as a backend with a mac mini as a frontend

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justinh:

but it's a lot of effort for not much payout

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Elwell:

or something else as a frontend thats pretty.

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justinh:

Elwell: just so long as you never transcode or do any commflagging

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justinh:

Elwell: no box! hide the frontend

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Elwell:

in an ideal world, i'd use the wii or the ps3 as a frontend so no more boxes needed.

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Elwell:

what's peoples opinion of Atom boards?

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justinh:

great frontends if they have VDPAU hardware onboard

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justinh:

otherwise, useless toys

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justinh:

(as far as HD is concerned)

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Elwell:

woohoo! I can haz eit!

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drmacro:

justinh: so is it best to have the firwire plugged in during the install of myth (in my case probably mythbuntu)?

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justinh:

won't make any difference AFAIK. you should read the wiki pages

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anykey__:

Elwell: be aware that Myth has some stuttering issues with LiveTV + HD + VDPAU

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drmacro:

justinh: yep, I read the wiki or whatever until my eyes glaze over...then I ask questions to try to sort it all out :-(

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justinh:

drmacro: AFAIK what you need to do is run some scripts to test the hardware & connection, then you'll know it's ok to go into mythtv-setup & configure the stuff there

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justinh:

actually they're programs, not scripts

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drmacro:

justinh: thanks, I'll do some more reading on using FW with myth and see where that takes me

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justinh:

mythbuntu should come with everything you need I reckon

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justinh:

check their docs :)

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Elwell:

is there a way to prevent my logs filling with PIDInfo(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Failed to open demux device /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 for filter on pid 0x0

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Elwell:

(and 0x10,0x11,0x12)

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justinh:

yeah get a better tuner card

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Elwell:

:-)

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oobe:

Elwell, maybe there is permission to read /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0

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oobe:

*no permission

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d3f4ultr0:

morning folks, does someone have a short 1920x1080 .ts file produced by HD-PVR? I would like to test my existing machine.

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oobe:

d3f4ultr0, im sure ppl post them on the mailing list

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oobe:

but mostly ones with defects as examples

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oobe:

i spose i could make you one but 30 seconds would be around 40–1oo mg

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d3f4ultr0:

10 seconds would be good enough

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d3f4ultr0:

thank you so much :)

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oobe:

bare with me im play poker

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oobe:

be around 5 or 10 mins

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d3f4ultr0:

cool, I'll log back in since i need to change machines

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d3f4ultr0:

thanks

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ivor:

think I've got a 1080p file kicking about I used a while ago.

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ciphergoth:

going to follow the steps described here tonight, any tips anyone? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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ciphergoth:

(actually the same hardware, but a fresh OS install, from Etch to Karmic

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oobe:

ivor, when he comes back give it to him im having problems on this end with my tuner i know whats wrong but i need to reboot

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oobe:

and i cant reboot right now

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Elwell:

hardware Q – cheap, supported dvb-t cards that do HD? (>1 tuner for bonus points)?

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wagnerrp:

DVB-T cards dont do 'HD'

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oobe:

Elwell, browse the linuxtv.org wiki

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wagnerrp:

they are digital tuners

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners simply capture a pre-compressed mpeg stream

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wagnerrp:

so whatever is in the stream, you get

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oobe:

wagnerrp, is right

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wagnerrp:

so long as the signal quality is good enough that you have full data recovery, one digital tuner will capture exactly the same thing as every other digital tuner

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oobe:

its funny cause a lot of the higher end tuners boast HD support

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flexy:

I installed new mythbuntu just now. I have a problem, FE log says ~/.mythtv/channels is not writable.

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flexy:

Failed to save to /home/flexy/.mythtv/channels/logosomething.png

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flexy:

that dir has rights to write.

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gnoel:

I just installed mythtv and now I need to configure it. Is there a simple tutorial that teaches how to do that?

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Elwell:

wagnerrp: thats what I thought – was a bit confused by the distinction on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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flexy:

I have logged out also

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flexy:

I even touched the directory/test with user mythtv

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oobe:

try chown -R flexy:flexy ~/.mythtv

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flexy:

oobe: everything in that dir is owned by me. except the symlinks to lircrc and mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

flexy: the frontend isnt being run by user 'mythtv'?

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oobe:

anyway chmod a+rw ~/.mythtv/channels will definatly work

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flexy:

wagnerrp: it's run by user flexy. flexy has write rights to that dir

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flexy:

oobe: I've chmod -R 777 ~/.mythtv/channels already, it did nothing to this issue. I'm totally baffled

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oobe:

strange

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flexy:

first time with mythbuntu, so I try to keep with their setup. Been using myth several years, but with debian so far.

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oobe:

i dont use mythtv's channel icon downloader i have my own script

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flexy:

it has worked before

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oobe:

my own as in alternative not written by me

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flexy:

well, someone is taking a look at the logs at #ubuntu-mythtv

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flexy:

perhaps he has an idea

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oobe:

it is odd

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flexy:

yeah. I thought that perhaps something to do with rights. fixed everything, logged out and in... did not help

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ivor:

flexy: is flexy/.mythtv on your backend machine? and your frontend machine is looking locally?

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flexy:

dedicated box, both BE and FE on same machine

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ivor:

flexy: ok

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PeaceKeeper:

Anyone know the best way to get a sample of a 6 channel mkv file?

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oobe:

ppl broadcast mkv streams?

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PeaceKeeper:

No this is a rip I made, but I think there is a bug with 6 channel AAC.

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PeaceKeeper:

I wanted to sample it and open a ticket, however I could just rerip it this weekend.

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tgm4883:

is the dir to store channel icons configurable?

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wagnerrp:

no

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tgm4883:

ok, thansk

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wagnerrp:

wow... gbee's been busy

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gnoel:

i have a Hauppauge HVR-1800 card. the link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppage_HVR-1800 says it requires kernel recompilation.

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gnoel:

what additional options must be selected for the kernel recompilation?

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flexy:

wagnerrp: channel icons dir. not configurable. does that mean that it's not configurable in any mythtv GUI? or that it's configurable directly in database? or that it really is not, because it's hard coded in source?

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flexy:

channel icons dir, not configurable. does that mean that it's not configurable in any mythtv GUI? or that it's configurable directly in database? or that it really is not, because it's hard coded in source?

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wagnerrp:

flexy: hard coded, always in ~/.mythtv/channels

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flexy:

~ of the user running FE or BE?

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wagnerrp:

gnoel couldnt wait 10 minutes for an answer before leaving?

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wagnerrp:

all of them

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skd5aner:

flexy: I seem to recall some talk of /maybe/ moving channel icons as a blob, or into storage groups, but nothing as of yet

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flexy:

I'm having problem with mythbuntu 9.10. New installation, I took database from old installation (debian, compiled from svn sources)... Now channel icons are not written to FE users ~/.mythtv/channels/

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wagnerrp:

i believe as it stands, you have to download them individually, on each frontend using mythtv-setup

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flexy:

FE log says that it's not able to write. but the dir is with 777 rights

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wagnerrp:

(or copy them over manually)

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flexy:

ah

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wagnerrp:

flexy: most likely because it wants to store to somewhere else

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flexy:

ok, I can try that, thanks to backups :)

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wagnerrp:

you have mythbuntu, which means you have wrapper scripts around your binaries

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wagnerrp:

very possibly, it resets $HOME to something else

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flexy:

yeah, I noticed that

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wagnerrp:

say... /etc/mythtv?

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flexy:

odd... log says /home/flexy/.mythtv/channels

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wagnerrp:

well then i have no idea

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flexy:

me neither :)

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wagnerrp:

ask the mythbuntu people whats going on

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flexy:

same thing there

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flexy:

:)

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flexy:

propably I'll try stuff that I/others have thinked of... if that does not work, I'll go back to svn sources, compiling myself

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oobe:

flexy, i just relised my channel icons are not in ~/.mythtv/channels so i know it is possible to change the path

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oobe:

i use a script called shepherd that downloads channels icons for me

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flexy:

right

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flexy:

where are the icons in your case?

[17:28:19]

flexy:

I'm thinking that perhaps the logs are wrong, somehow...

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oobe:

~/.shepherd/icons but thats not the point

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flexy:

aah.

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flexy:

right

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flexy:

where to change it, that was the point :)

[17:29:08]

wagnerrp:

ok.... technically, you can have separate directories

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wagnerrp:

but the internal grabber always stores them in ~/.mythtv/channels

[17:29:36]

wagnerrp:

your shepherd grabber modifies the icon field in the channel table directly

[17:29:46]

wagnerrp:

putting its own path there instead

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oobe:

yea wagnerrp thats what im thinking

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flexy:

ok

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wagnerrp:

however there is still no 'channel icon folder' setting

[17:30:26]

oobe:

but for all we know modifying the path of the folder wont work either

[17:30:47]

wagnerrp:

it should, its a direct file access by the frontend

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flexy:

that internal grabber, who runs it? BE or FE?

[17:30:57]

wagnerrp:

it will use whatever path you give it to access

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oobe:

sudo su mythtv

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wagnerrp:

neither, its in the channel editor in mythtv-setup

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oobe:

flexy, try this to test somthing sudo su mythtv then bash && cd /home/flexy/.mythtv/channels && touch testing

[17:33:50]

flexy:

it works

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flexy:

I'm baffled

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dnewton_:

excuse my totally different topic – when watch HD channels 720p (ZDF,Das Erste,Arte) i have a perfect picture but it jumping/judders – it used to be OK – I'm using latest trunk and VDPAU – anybody got any ideas

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brad2:

dnewton: advice coming from a complete newbie, but do you have pulseaudio enabled?

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brad2:

they used to give me .22 fits in fedora 11

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brad2:

err give my .22 fits

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dnewton_:

i'm not using pulseaudio

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brad2:

hmmm

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brad2:

i'm afraid that's my only idea

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brad2:

you will have to wait for the heavyweights to wake up

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wagnerrp:

its somewhere between late morning and early evening, depending on which 'heavyweights' youre referring to

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wagnerrp:

nearly all the devs are in the US or england, with a couple more scattered through europe

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brad2:

sadly, almost everyone in the chan is a heavyweight compared to me :> but that will someday change i hope!

[17:43:06]

brad2:

perhaps this plugin i'm writing will help.. yes it's completely useless, but i'm learning alot which is neat

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wagnerrp:

the fact that you're *attempting* to write a plugin, puts you heads above most people in this channel

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flexy:

wagnerrp: I copied the old logos to new install. Now I can see one logo. So the place is right, but the internal grabber can't save them at that location...

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Josh_Borke:

dnewton_: what's the load on the machine when it stutters? did you try watching it using a different viewer?

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wagnerrp:

flexy: the only thing i can think of is that whatever the wrapper script is doing, its changing the environment such that you cannot write there

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flexy:

wagnerrp: ok. I think I can't figure that out. I'll have to check from mythbuntu channel.

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flexy:

and go back to svn sources, if this ain't fixed soon...

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mtrelins:

do i have to use storage groups in 0.22?

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mtrelins:

for MythVideo

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dnewton_:

there is very little load on the system when it stutters <10% – since it's an atom ION platform I can only watch HD with VDPAU – SD is 100% OK – 1080 on ANIXE is OK

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iamlindoro:

mtrelins: have you read the MythVideo .22 Transition Guide on the wiki?

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mtrelins:

it says i don't have to?

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mtrelins:

can i play isos then?

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iamlindoro:

Are those both questions? Because it answers both

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mtrelins:

it says i don't have to.

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mtrelins:

q:can i play isos then if i do nfs/samba?

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mtrelins:

like in 0.21

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iamlindoro:

yes

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mtrelins:

will i lose the cool new meta ability if i don't use storage groups?

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iamlindoro:

no

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mtrelins:

cool

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mtrelins:

if i don't use storage groups then i can use mplayer for instance?

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mtrelins:

but only 1 alternate player?

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wagnerrp:

you can set one default player, one default player per file extension, and one player for each file

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iamlindoro:

yes, only one alternate player, and yes, you can use it without storage groups

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iamlindoro:

in fact, you can *only* use it without storage groups

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iamlindoro:

This is *all* in the transition page

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wagnerrp:

come on, iamlindoro... we cant be bothered to read

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** iamlindoro deletes the page since nobody will read it despite begging, shaming, and protestations **

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dustybin:

who needs man pages when you have iamlindoro :D

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has man pages?

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dustybin:

oh, im not sure?

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dustybin:

man mythtv

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jduggan:

fail

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defaultro:

oobe, sorry, my other machine went nuts. Were you able to make the 10 second file from your hdpvr?

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oobe:

no sorry was gonna make a proper ts dump using my tuner but i just messed it up and need to reboot before it works again and i cant reboot right now im in a poker tournie

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

no rush

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defaultro:

are the ts dump different from different os using this same hdpvr?

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oobe:

defaultro, i cant tell you as some software re encodes

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oobe:

but if it doesnt then no

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oobe:

all its doing is capturing the same stream

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oobe:

if you did it locally using a different os u would be getting more accurate results than using my local HDTV

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wagnerrp:

why would you re-compress an already-compressed stream? especially an h264 one?

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oobe:

wagnerrp, i made no assumptions about the stream

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oobe:

we have mpeg2 streams here

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wagnerrp:

you said some software re-encodes

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oobe:

i never asked him where he is from

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wagnerrp:

im wondering why a PVR software would bother

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oobe:

and yes some windows software can record to divx

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oobe:

i havent ever used it

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oobe:

and im sure you would have to specify

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oobe:

wagnerrp, its usauly the software that comes with tuners

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defaultro:

great info

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defaultro:

I'm thinking of buying hdpvr

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oobe:

where abouts are you from

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flexy:

well well. not starting good with mythbuntu...

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flexy:

can't teach an old dog new tricks :)

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oobe:

flexy are you using 22 rc1?

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flexy:

yes

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oobe:

try upgrading to auto builds on the mythbuntu site and select 22 fixes

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flexy:

sorry, mythbackend --version says its -fixes

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flexy:

mythbuntu 9.10

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oobe:

and where is it that you see that error is it during mythtv-setup

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flexy:

just downloaded image and installed it today. I've just kept my database from old system

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flexy:

no, in mythfrontend, when starting livetv the EPG is SLOW. because of the missing logo files

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flexy:

but it can't write them to ~/.mythtv/channels/

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flexy:

even though it's world writable

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defaultro:

i'm in illinois

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unimginative:

My STB has a jack on the back for an "infrared reciever extension", Would it be plausible to plug my blaster jack into this jack and expect infrared commands to work?

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flexy:

if I provide a logo file (from old install), it is shown

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defaultro:

i saw a forum earlier about using hdpvr and mplayer via /dev/video

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flexy:

oobe: and I tried to copy all of the logos from old installs backup, but only 2 or 3 is shown... (have the right file name)

[18:49:21]

defaultro:

I have an hddvd but output is 1080i. I can't output it with a specific aspect ratio. So in order for my display to stretch or fill the 2.35 screen entirely, I add -vf crop to mplayer

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iamlindoro:

2.35 screen??

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oobe:

defaultro, why cant you use Internal player

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iamlindoro:

You have a 2.35:1 screen?

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iamlindoro:

Sure you don't mean 16:9?

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iamlindoro:

since there's only one ($10K) 2.35:1 screen

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defaultro:

oobe, I was about to ask that

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wagnerrp:

that phillips is $10K??

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defaultro:

let me show what I did and was extremely happy with the result

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defaultro:

my projector screen's physical aspect ratio isn't 16:9 but 2.35

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defaultro:

my xorg is also unusual, 1920x880 which is 2.2 aspect ratio

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: $7400, but still

[18:53:22]

wagnerrp:

ive only seen pictures of it, never an actual price

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defaultro:

I had to use my projector's size function to make the circle(from test pattern) perfect.

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wagnerrp:

i guess its so expensive because its a very low production LCD panel

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defaultro:

so here is Megan Fox original 1920x1080 file display on 1920x880 xorg. You will see side bars

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defaultro:

http://test.totalfighttv.com/v1rt/sony1272pic1.jpg

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defaultro:

I created a new file and cropped it to 1920x880, here is the result. It filled the entire screen but maintaining the normal shape, no thin or fat face. http://test.totalfighttv.com/v1rt/sony1272pic2.jpg

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defaultro:

here is an 1920x800 apple trailer. It does have top and bottom bars but very minimal. http://test.totalfighttv.com/v1rt/sony1272pic3.jpg

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defaultro:

It is somewhat called poor man's constant image height.

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iamlindoro:

You can crop in the internal player, but I can't see why you'd want to create a false 2.35:1 image

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defaultro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

personally I wouldn't throw away the image just to have what is not a real 2.35:1 signal

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defaultro:

false 2.35 because it's a different feeling when I watch. I don't see any difference in picture quality. It's still 1920 wide

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iamlindoro:

but you throw away hunks of the picture

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defaultro:

the apple trailer I showed is a real 2.35

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defaultro:

the first one were jpg pics

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defaultro:

just to show how wide it becomes

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defaultro:

and the watching is totally different

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iamlindoro:

so? Fact remains that if you scrop you are going to throw away pieces of picture on anything that's 4:3 or 16:9

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iamlindoro:

s/scrop/crop/

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

that's fine with me

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iamlindoro:

well, feel free

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defaultro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

awful idea, but it's your TV

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defaultro:

yep, I'll be missing some from top and bottom

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defaultro:

so going back to hdpvr, I was thinking of feeding it with hddvd and use mythtv or mplayer to crop it

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defaultro:

i saw a command from mplayer and it used /dev/video0

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defaultro:

oh, for those shows like heroes, fringe, fastforward, I don't crop it

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oobe:

rebooted

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defaultro:

I only do it for movies

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oobe:

got knocked out of that tourny

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

so do you think I can use mythtv to display my hddvd via hdpvr and configure mythtv to crop it

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defaultro:

right now, hddvd is directly hook to projector. I hate it because it's 16:9 :p

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oobe:

defaultro, yes

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defaultro:

can i do live without saving it?

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oobe:

yes live and recorded should playback the same

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iamlindoro:

not using internal, and even with mplayer there will be a noticeable delay

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defaultro:

that is awesome

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

you cannot

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defaultro:

?

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oobe:

oh he means with mplayer

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defaultro:

either player, why not?

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iamlindoro:

Myth records everything that goes through it, live or not

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defaultro:

oh, i remember

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iamlindoro:

and there is no way of just doing passthrough

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defaultro:

you are right iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

with mplayer, you will experience the delay of the encoder, which will be less, but still perceptible

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defaultro:

so it's fine then. So to confirm, I should be able to connect my hddvd to hdpvr and watch right?

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defaultro:

so where in myth .21 can I find the cropping?

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iamlindoro:

yes, though why you'd want to do it that way instead of simply ripping the film and watching it at actual 1080p I have no idea

[19:03:45]

iamlindoro:

TV Playback-- though .21 doesn't support the HD-PVR so minimally you need to upgrade to .22

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i'll take note of that

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defaultro:

so is hdpvr considered a channel like abc in mytht?

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defaultro:

i haven't seen how mythtv detects it

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iamlindoro:

no, it's a capture device that gets a full lineup like any capture device

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iamlindoro:

just like a PVR-150, etc.

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wagnerrp:

you plug it into your cablebox, and then use an IR blaster or firewire to change channels

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defaultro:

ah, so most people use their comcast hd box, dish box unlike what I would like to do

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iamlindoro:

correct

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defaultro:

just like my previous firewire DCT6200 setup

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defaultro:

so if hddvd, how would it be then?

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defaultro:

it's got component out(YPbPr)

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iamlindoro:

it wouldn't be like anything-- you're not going to use it in myth

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defaultro:

i'm lost, what do you mean?

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iamlindoro:

I mean you already said you intend to use it with mplayer

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iamlindoro:

thus you won't be using it with myth

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defaultro:

i can use mplayer but you said myth has crop function. I'll use mythtv instead

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defaultro:

oops

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defaultro:

i can use mythtv because you said myth has crop function. I'll use mythtv instead

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iamlindoro:

Then your menus/etc. will be on a four-8 second delay

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iamlindoro:

making them virtually unusable

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iamlindoro:

you'll hit a button and 4–8 seconds later you'll see what it did

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defaultro:

is it because of cpu intensiveness?

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iamlindoro:

no, it's because myth isn't designed to be a passthrough device

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wagnerrp:

its because the HDPVR has buffer space, and mythtv has buffer space

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wagnerrp:

totaling several seconds

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oobe:

defaultro, im sorry i said yes before about crop i was mistaken but in playback settings you can specify you aspect ratio and defaults that will make most if not all things fit your display

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defaultro:

k oobe

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iamlindoro:

oobe: Myth *can* crop

[19:09:34]

iamlindoro:

for christ's sake

[19:09:40]

oobe:

yeah but i dont know about that

[19:09:52]

iamlindoro:

ok, so if you don't know, can you let those of us that do do the helping?

[19:09:53]

wagnerrp:

defaultro: you dont want to dedicate a input in mythtv to a DVD/HDDVD/BR player

[19:10:02]

oobe:

wouldnt that require transcoding

[19:10:06]

iamlindoro:

NO

[19:10:10]

wagnerrp:

better to rip said content, store on your hard drive, and play through mythvideo

[19:10:11]

defaultro:

iamlindoro, you mentioned that everything in myth gets recorded. I won't be using it as a passthrough device. Why will still there be a 4–8 sec delay?

[19:10:21]

oobe:

oh ok no i misunderstood his question

[19:10:35]

iamlindoro:

defaultro: The delay is *caused* by everything getting recorded and streamed

[19:10:38]

wagnerrp:

defaultro: you mentioned hooking up an HDPVR to a HDDVD player

[19:10:44]

defaultro:

yep

[19:10:48]

wagnerrp:

doing such would cause a several second delay

[19:10:51]

iamlindoro:

defaultro: *Myth* is not meant to pass through video, it's meant to record it-- thus video games, and other time sensitive stuff is out

[19:11:07]

defaultro:

yes, my hddvd will act like a cablebox

[19:11:08]

wagnerrp:

because both the HDPVR and mythtv have relatively large buffers

[19:11:20]

iamlindoro:

Even in "live" mode, you are still seeing things on a 4–8 second delay

[19:11:28]

defaultro:

so everything is recorded. I can play it and won't worry if it's bit delay

[19:11:58]

defaultro:

as long as the menus are fast. From what I understood, it will hamper the moving of menus on myth

[19:12:04]

iamlindoro:

Since the menus are going to be virtually unusable, just *rip the disk* and you can output at 1080p, without the quality loss

[19:12:09]

wagnerrp:

it goes component --> hdpvr --> mythbackend --> hard drive --> mythbackend --> mythfrontend --> display

[19:12:12]

iamlindoro:

defaultro: You understood wron

[19:12:15]

iamlindoro:

g

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wagnerrp:

all those steps in there take time

[19:12:20]

defaultro:

oh

[19:12:32]

defaultro:

i guess we are talking different menus

[19:12:42]

defaultro:

i was talking about myth menus

[19:12:45]

iamlindoro:

Plus you are giving up substantial quality by being both interlaced and cutting the bitrate to a third of what it was

[19:12:54]

defaultro:

ok

[19:13:10]

defaultro:

so I guess rip and save to harrdive and play with myth

[19:13:15]

iamlindoro:

just rip the film, play it in mythvideo, and there will be no quality loss, no delay, and you never deal with foreign interfaces

[19:13:16]

wagnerrp:

correct

[19:13:24]

defaultro:

k

[19:13:32]

sphery:

Oh, btw, happy V-day, everyone.

[19:13:34]

defaultro:

i don't need to buy hdpvr with this solution

[19:13:48]

defaultro:

is it going to start today?

[19:13:52]

sphery:

yep

[19:13:59]

defaultro:

cool, almost forgot

[19:14:01]

jduggan:

V-day?

[19:14:10]

wagnerrp:

victory day

[19:14:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery: V day was 25 years ago

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PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: I opened that ticket on the AAC 6 Channel, but I have nto been able to get a sample file. I am not sure how to make a sample file from the larger file.

[19:14:29]

defaultro:

saw it around late 1980s

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iamlindoro:

Original Airdate: 1984-10–26

[19:14:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro: V-day, take 2?

[19:14:57]

defaultro:

it's been a while :D

[19:15:08]

wagnerrp:

W-day!

[19:15:08]

defaultro:

the only thing I remember is that the girl ate a rat, LOL

[19:15:22]

PeaceKeeper:

defailtro: ROFL me too

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defaultro:

maybe on V24 episode

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iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper: dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1024k count=50

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iamlindoro:

will make a 50 MB sample

[19:16:02]

iamlindoro:

depending on the container it may or may not play, so make sure the sample plays and displays the issue

[19:16:02]

PeaceKeeper:

nice let me try that!

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iamlindoro:

Then you'll need to upload it to your own web site or rapidshare or wherever

[19:16:39]

PeaceKeeper:

Ok I have a website

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defaultro:

anyways, I'll be able to save money without buying the hdpvr. I can use the money to buy a new machine instead

[19:16:56]

defaultro:

thanks for the inputs guys :)

[19:17:06]

PeaceKeeper:

no hdpvr?

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defaultro:

i just need to learn how to rip movies

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sphery:

or dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1024K count=50 to make a 50MiB file

[19:17:34]

iamlindoro:

sphery: But if they kill Wash AGAIN on this show...

[19:18:07]

iamlindoro:

Guest Starring: Scott Hylands, Alan Tudyk, Christopher Shyer, Stefan Arngrim, David Richmond-Peck, Britt Irvin, Jesse Wheeler

[19:18:09]

sphery:

I guess I'll find out in 6–12 months

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sphery:

(when I get around to watching it)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: You don't get ABC?

[19:18:18]

iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

pfft,

[19:18:24]

sphery:

Alan Tudyk! cool

[19:18:34]

sphery:

I have almost 1100 recordings to watch...

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sphery:

way behind

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iamlindoro:

I never knew you were a Serial Port

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sphery:

and I'm wasting /way/ too much TV time trying to find a stupid 45W dual-core AMD CPU

[19:19:23]

sphery:

I'm > < close to buying a 65W TDP, but really annoyed that it will cost me $20/yr more to run it

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok I made the sample file but I dont know if it works yet (not at home)

[19:19:36]

PeaceKeeper:

thx again for the help.

[19:19:48]

iamlindoro:

np

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sphery:

(ok, approx--because the 45W may actually max at 35 W or the 65W could max at 48W, but...)

[19:20:14]

sphery:

or, the 65W could max at 32W...

[19:20:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery's brain runs DOS

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iamlindoro:

no multitasking, all TV in serial

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iamlindoro:

FIFO

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sphery:

everything but the FIFO is true

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iamlindoro:

At least you don't have to watch it at 14.4 Kbps

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though my 14.4kbps modem only worked at 2400baud

[19:21:34]

PeaceKeeper:

I remember my first 9600 modem

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PeaceKeeper:

oh the days....

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sphery:

spent hours on the phone with the OEM who just kept blaming IRQ's, etc (which were right)

[19:22:31]

sphery:

then finally got fed up a year later and went out and got a USR 28.8kbps modem that I used for about 7 years after that

[19:23:14]

sphery:

pretty sure the 14.4 had a bad UART

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iamlindoro:

I spent soooo many hours on BBS', often hearing the sound of my mother picking up the phone... "Hello? Hello???"

[19:27:39]

iamlindoro:

(2400 baud, I was a high roller)

[19:27:52]

toorima:

is there any way to see what mythfrontend is playing from the command line?

[19:28:02]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: thank god for file transfers when they came out with the zmodem protocol.

[19:28:11]

wagnerrp:

toorima: check out the frontend socket interface

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: hahaha, exactly

[19:28:38]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Though amusingly, I had to find a new terminal program and spent a week trying to get it downloaded

[19:28:44]

devinheitmueller:

heh

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wagnerrp:

toorima: http://www.mythtv.com/wiki/Telnet_socket

[19:29:12]

toorima:

wagnerrp: thx man :)

[19:29:12]

devinheitmueller:

protocols with checksums are your friend.

[19:29:29]

iamlindoro:

* When the terminal program supports them :)

[19:30:31]

devinheitmueller:

My first modem was 1200bps, and I remember going to a friend's house who had a 14.4 and saying "wow, the text is going by so fast you cannot read it!"

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brad2:

i remember spending many a day on the BBS's, playing The Pit, Trade Wars, and Legend of the Red Dragon

[19:32:54]

brad2:

now those were some games ;)

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devinheitmueller:

TRADE WARS!

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iamlindoro:

LoRD

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iamlindoro:

good times

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devinheitmueller:

indeed.

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devinheitmueller:

I had to call the phone company and have 900 numbers disabled for my home phone because "friends" would come over and when I wasn't in the room they would call the 900 number to get BBS minutes.

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dustybin:

is mythtv .22 RC good enough to use in the UK, with regards to EIT

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brad2:

hahaha, those are some nasty friends

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devinheitmueller:

I put "friends" in quotes, because they obviously stopped being such when the phone bill arrived.

[19:35:33]

devinheitmueller:

I had to explain to my mother that I hadn't been calling phone sex lines (since she assumed that's all 900 numbers were used for).

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brad2:

i didn't even know bbs's had 1–900 numbers

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brad2:

i only had a local super small town bbs

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devinheitmueller:

yeah, it was a way for the operator to avoid having to deal with billing. You would call the 900 number, and you would write down a unique code that would grant you 25 hours of access, and your phone bill would be charged $10.00.

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devinheitmueller:

The BBS dialup wasn't a 900 number itself – you just called the 900 number to get the unlock code, which you would enter once you logged into the BBS over the regular dialup number.

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brad2:

ahhh that makes sense

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brad2:

sketchy friends!

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brad2:

my bbs, was really small town, so i would just phone up the guy who ran it, and begged for more minutes

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brad2:

;)

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devinheitmueller:

brad2: Yeah, I was part of several of those two. In some cases, you would offer to sysop in exchange for minutes.

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brad2:

and then MUDs came along

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brad2:

that is what originally got me into linux

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brad2:

because those darn things wouldn't run on windows for me :>

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sphery:

So, if a 45W TDP CPU uses less power than a 65W TDP CPU, it saves me money, right? So, it makes sense to buy this: http://www.xpcgear.com/amd-athlon-x2-5050e-am . . . -energy.html

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sphery:

wonder how long it will take to recoupe the $99,999.99 CPU price

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brad2:

wowsers

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brad2:

highpriced

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brad2:

haha

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tgm4883:

sphery, as with all hardware, if you wait a bit the price will come down

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tgm4883:

you might be able to find it for around $80,000

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sphery:

tgm4883: heh, I'll have to wait...

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sphery:

it's really only that price because it's an out-of-production item (that's out of stock) so they marked it way up so no one would buy it

[20:36:18]

sphery:

skd5aner: did you see my comments on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7467 ?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: I'm sorry, but I think it's important that those of us doing the committing have a discussion about this-- I'm not trying to ignore you but the distractions don't help when we already have enough trouble reaching agreement

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oobe:

wtf i wonder if that is a joke

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oobe:

the cpu price i mean

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sphery:

pretty sure it's just a "we don't have it and can't get it so don't buy it" thing

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oobe:

really or a typo

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oobe:

woops 9999999999

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skd5aner:

sphery: yes – I saw your comments on #7467 – very much apprecaited, sounds fair enough to me! :)

[20:48:09]

sphery:

cool... I doubt many people will be affected.

[20:48:26]

sphery:

I appreciate your bringing it up, though--it was a fun little diversion trying to figure out what was happening.

[20:48:45]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: understood, I've been lurking aroundabout 99.5% of the time I've been a myth user for the past 5 years, and rarely jump on IRC until recently – I just want to see this project (and community) succeed :)

[20:48:53]

sphery:

(and much easier thanks to the info you, Brad, and Kevin gave about how to trigger it--and your mention of #2293 in the ticket)

[20:49:16]

skd5aner:

ha – yea, I went back through your chat history in IRC when you were troublshooting it – sounded like fun

[20:49:25]

skd5aner:

btw – do you plan on submitting it upstream to QT?

[20:49:28]

skd5aner:

Tolltech

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sphery:

Your pointing out #2293 allowed me to figure out just who would be affected

[20:49:55]

sphery:

yeah, I had my system compiling Qt 4.5.2 all last night so that I could modify it and test the fix.

[20:50:06]

skd5aner:

yea – would be easier to have found if trac wasn't b0rked and search wasn't disabled – but thankful to have the archives to help

[20:50:21]

sphery:

it's funny, though, it's a bug in the QSqlQuery /formatting/ functions that causes it.

[20:51:09]

sphery:

I hope they'll be able to re-enable search soon. It seems like that's not the problem (as we've had problems even with it disabled).

[20:53:15]

skd5aner:

sphery: I used to update to trunk about monthly (or when things stabilized, bugs were fixed, or cool new features released) up until .21

[20:53:41]

sphery:

That explains how you got the corrupt bookmarks.

[20:53:48]

skd5aner:

however, once fixes came out, I migrated to that – actually based on your advice/feedback in IRC, when I had a problem compiling on my latest distro with AAC support

[20:54:17]

skd5aner:

the fix was in -fixes, but I couldn't upgrade past where I was in trunk due to the QT4 migration, and I wanted to avoid that until it was "done"

[20:54:38]

sphery:

yeah, I switched to -fixes on production this 0.22-dev cycle--mainly because I finally got a machine just for MythTV dev--and it's been /so/ much easier.

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sphery:

I won't be going back to trunk.

[20:54:55]

sphery:

trunk is for dev boxes in my house :)

[20:55:32]

sphery:

(I meant I switched to 0.21-fixes)

[20:55:47]

sphery:

but, anyway, -fixes is much easier to follow

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skd5aner:

yea – but -fixes wasn't an option until .20 I think

[20:56:18]

sphery:

yeah, that's probably true

[20:57:31]

skd5aner:

so – up till then, only the patient folks waiting for a release or brave souls like me who would follow trunk could get could get their problems solved

[20:57:40]

skd5aner:

I've never been a huge fan of self-patching – not sure why

[20:57:49]

sphery:

heh, seems like we actually had a 0.18 fixes – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches

[20:58:20]

skd5aner:

well, that was the only real stable version of myth

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skd5aner:

;)

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skd5aner:

you know – I appreciate sitting in the corner on the dev channel listening to the conversation you guys have been having this afternoon

[20:59:48]

skd5aner:

glad to hear some of the stuff that's coming out of it

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skd5aner:

BTW – out of curioustiy – I rarely see IJR on the lists or committing much anymore. I'm assuming real life has just got in the way, but any word about his status or future with myth?

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sphery:

he's Chu tt

[21:03:47]

sphery:

and, yeah, just busy in life

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skd5aner:

well – there you go – wouldn't have guessed :)

[21:04:53]

skd5aner:

thanks

[21:05:31]

skd5aner:

need an IRC-->Trac-->Mailing List decoding ring

[21:05:57]

skd5aner:

how about Captain_Murdoch?

[21:06:02]

skd5aner:

who's that?

[21:06:50]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

[21:07:18]

skd5aner:

gotcha

[21:08:36]

ondemik:

Hi There, I have a question. I live in Denmark, and we just had mpeg4 channels via DVB-T introduced on the first of November. There is a lot of stutter on the mpeg4 channels, the mpeg2 are still fine. Has anyone heard about similar problems?

[21:09:25]

KennyJ:

Hi guys, I'd need a bit of help here, already checked the mailinglists/forum and tried several things, yet no success.

[21:09:25]

KennyJ:

I'm running Mythtv 0.21 (backend+frontend) on the guts of a compaq laptop with an intel i8xx chipset with Celeron 1.3GHz and 256MB of RAM,

[21:09:25]

KennyJ:

on Debian Lenny and have a Plextor Convertx M402U (the hardware MPEG4 encoder chip wisGO7007).

[21:09:25]

KennyJ:

The Convertx module loads an works fine, as I tested it with the gorecord app supplied with the driver.

[21:09:55]

ondemik:

The cpu load is not anywhere near 100% and other programs like VLC will plays the recordings just fine

[21:10:05]

oobe:

ondemik, have you tryed switching playback profiles?

[21:10:29]

KennyJ:

I set up the front and backend for the convertx and can't seem to watch TV

[21:10:29]

KennyJ:

Everytime I want hit "watch TV" the screen just flickers and it goes back to the main menu.

[21:10:56]

ondemik:

yes a have tried several different one, no luck. I have three collegues at work experiencing the exact same problem

[21:11:42]

ondemik:

we have been using mythTV for a few years, so I hope we have tried the obvious things :-)

[21:13:01]

ondemik:

I get a lot of this in the console: [h264 @ 0x6626c0]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding one

[21:13:52]

KennyJ:

I run mythfrontend in console, and the debug output doesn't give me anything useful/

[21:14:07]

ondemik:

and a lot of other error messages, I can post the if anyone thinks it will be usefull

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KennyJ:

*well in xterm

[21:15:45]

ondemik:

I there anyone in here who can watch mpeg4 channels with 0.22?

[21:16:07]

oobe:

KennyJ, can you record and watch recordings ok?

[21:17:32]

KennyJ:

haven't been able to try yet, as the M402U doesn't have a TV in only comp and Svideo, so I've just been trying with the output of my dvd player

[21:18:04]

KennyJ:

I have a satellite box and I'm still waiting on my usb lirc transceiver...

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Spirits-Sight:

any ideas on how to connect a composite device to a backend for mythtv using digital tuner only there is no more non-digital in USA

[21:20:06]

oobe:

i dont understand how you cant test recordings playback

[21:20:26]

oobe:

but can try to playback livetv

[21:21:17]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Show Guide Summary is the one that toggles showing the details for the first item even when the group list is selected

[21:21:29]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: As of .22 it does nothing

[21:22:38]

jpabq:

Ok. I am on my iPhone today so don't expect me to type much

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KennyJ:

well thats the thing, live playback doesn't work, I select 'Watch TV' an the window just flickers

[21:24:49]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: thanks for clarifying that, I had just switched that on last night and didn't noticed a difference on graphite, I figured that the theme probably ignored the setting

[21:24:56]

skd5aner:

intentionally

[21:25:39]

KennyJ:

*just noticing my channels don't show up in frontend, even though they do in mythtv-setup, and I did run mythfilldatabase O.o

[21:26:07]

oobe:

mythfilldatabase just gets guide data

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oobe:

sounds like you have a problem with your video sources

[21:26:30]

oobe:

or your storage groups

[21:26:36]

Spirits-Sight:

any ideas on how to connect a composite device to a backend for mythtv using digital tuner only there is no more non-digital in USA

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oobe:

i asked you to try playing back recordings as this would he confirm it

[21:27:10]

KennyJ:

I dont have any recordings

[21:27:29]

KennyJ:

I set my storage groups to folders in my /var/lib/mythtv directory

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KennyJ:

as I ran mythfilldatabase it took almost 1.5 hours, is that maybe the problem?

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KennyJ:

but I have a lot of channels

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: are you looking forward to smooth scrolling cursors?

[21:29:44]

KennyJ:

and I'm using datadirect as a video source

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oobe:

actually you are using datadirect as a grabber

[21:37:07]

KennyJ:

yes, that's what I meant, as the grabber for my video source

[21:37:33]

Spirits-Sight:

anyone able to assist I need to know what is able to be used with a laptop so that I can access a device that uses composite cables for audio & video

[21:37:37]

KennyJ:

I just switched to directtv and am running mythfilldatabase --manual again..

[21:38:04]

oobe:

KennyJ, that wont help

[21:39:12]

KennyJ:

just wanted to run mfilldatabase, kinda seems that it's not giving the DB the data it needs, and using directtv because there are less channels

[21:40:05]

oobe:

mythfilldatabase just gets guide data thats all it does if you dont use it or do use it it wont effect your current problem

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KennyJ:

hm

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sphery:

KennyJ: anyone in the US has no need for mythfilldatabase --manual

[21:42:32]

KennyJ:

I see

[21:42:44]

KennyJ:

what could it be then?

[21:43:08]

sphery:

(unless you're using that DirecTV HTML scraper garbage that some cheapskate wrote because he preferred wasting a ton of his time rather than paying $20/yr for better-quality, and more, and more-consistent data.)

[21:43:15]

oobe:

you so far have ignored the most likely culprits that i already pointed out

[21:43:36]

sphery:

no offense to the author... I should probably say, "That someone whose time is less valuable than his money wrote."

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sphery:

so you are using Schedules Direct, so mythfilldatabase --manual is useless (though it might have broken your config)

[21:45:23]

sphery:

My guess is that you have issues with your capture card/video source/input connections configuration. I recommend doing both the Capture Card and Video Sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:45:26]

iamlindoro:

"The WAF for those themes is 0. My acceptance factor for them is also 0. They are crowded, hard to read and ugly!!!!"

[21:45:33]

sphery:

which, I think, is where oobe was going

[21:45:34]

iamlindoro:

Just makes it all worthwhile...

[21:45:37]

KennyJ:

Really? Well my card seems to be recognized in mythtv-setup, probes correctly, my storage groups are /var/lib/mythtv/rec (default group) ../tv (for live tv) and ../db_bck for database backup

[21:45:45]

sphery:

(but I didn't read all of scrollback)

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sphery:

KennyJ: just because they're recognized doesn't mean they're properly configured :)

[21:46:20]

sphery:

(configured in myth that is)

[21:46:29]

oobe:

KennyJ, check your storage groups for recordings and livetv ( i assume there ok ) check your video sources are connected and check you have scanned in your channels properly

[21:46:59]

oobe:

those are the only things that could be wrong apart from some sort of bug

[21:47:00]

KennyJ:

I checked the format: mpeg4 ok

[21:47:00]

KennyJ:

resolution: 720x480 should also work..

[21:47:09]

KennyJ:

ok

[21:50:05]

jpabq:

William (on the users list) could stand to learn how to use puctuation and paragraph breaks.

[21:50:29]

iamlindoro:

not to mention common sourtesy

[21:50:35]

iamlindoro:

er courtesy

[21:52:39]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: especially amusing in a post about how all the themes he bad mouthed are aunreadable

[21:52:42]

iamlindoro:

unreadable

[21:54:16]

jpabq:

Exactly what I was thinking

[21:54:38]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: I want so badly to respond to your response with "So you're saying it was crowded, hard to read, and ugly!?!?!?!?!"

[21:54:42]

oobe:

then how did you know he was bad mouthing :)

[21:54:52]

Spirits-Sight:

anyone able to assist I need to know what is able to be used with a laptop so that I can access a device that uses composite cables for audio & video

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jpabq:

oobe: You caught me

[21:56:11]

iamlindoro:

I translated it and told him so

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: it's a shame you cannot *smack* people over the Internet.

[21:58:19]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Well, it's only > 100 hours of my own personal time, I'm sure I couldn't have been doing anything worthwhile :)

[21:58:23]

jpabq:

I could tell it was a rant even without reading all of it

[21:58:30]

devinheitmueller:

Yup.

[21:58:44]

oobe:

devinheitmueller, or destroy there lives with identity theft ( oh wait you can)

[21:58:52]

devinheitmueller:

You can offer consulting services to him to make a theme the way *he* wants it.

[21:59:10]

iamlindoro:

I would love to do a study of which people saying they just want the old themes back are the same ones who were complaining about the lack of UI flashiness :)

[21:59:17]

devinheitmueller:

Amazing how rude people are when they don't like something they are getting at absolutely no cost.

[21:59:34]

iamlindoro:

ie "I use MythCenter, blah blah" or "I use newtheme because it's most like the old ones"

[21:59:43]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: yeah :(

[22:00:04]

devinheitmueller:

Hey, the power of open source is that if they don't like it, they are welcome to contribute to making it better. Patches are always welcome.

[22:00:23]

devinheitmueller:

otherwise, STFU.

[22:00:43]

iamlindoro:

The upcoming theme should silence some critics of the last one, but sadly nobody will ever be perfectly happy

[22:00:45]

devinheitmueller:

(I usually leave the last part off my emails to people who complain)

[22:01:12]

devinheitmueller:

Well, the reason there are different themes is to satisfy those with different opinions on "what looks best".

[22:01:25]

iamlindoro:

yeah, that's another learned behavior we need them to unlearn

[22:01:35]

oobe:

i like the screenshot of you next theme iamlindoro

[22:01:37]

iamlindoro:

what was controlled by 10,000 settings before will be largely more theme controlled

[22:02:00]

iamlindoro:

meaning if you don't like something, you change the theme or find another-- unfortunately there are only a few choices so far

[22:02:09]

iamlindoro:

oobe: thanks, it's coming along nicely

[22:02:19]

oobe:

nice

[22:02:24]

devinheitmueller:

Well, people who feel strongly enough are welcome to contribute new themes that meet their needs.

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[22:02:58]

Elwell:

is there a way to disable commercial flagging for non-asvert channels? (such as the BBC)

[22:03:10]

Elwell:

non-advert even

[22:03:19]

iamlindoro:

Elwell: Set the channel as commercialfree

[22:03:23]

iamlindoro:

in the channel editor

[22:03:26]

Elwell:

ah ta\

[22:03:30]

iamlindoro:

(it's a checkbox)

[22:03:32]

iamlindoro:

np

[22:03:38]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: yup... sigh

[22:04:03]

oobe:

iamlindoro, how do you intend to make it not look right without buying a font i dont object i just dont know how that would work

[22:04:22]

iamlindoro:

oobe: I don't intend for it to look right without the font :)

[22:04:40]

oobe:

yea i know that is what i said

[22:04:53]

iamlindoro:

it'll look like whatever it looks like, but it won't be right and will have a bunch of cut off text areas

[22:05:07]

iamlindoro:

I'm not going to actively break it if the font isn't installed, that will take care of itself

[22:05:19]

oobe:

ok

[22:05:25]

iamlindoro:

it'll revert to some random sans font installed on the user's system, which will be all cut off

[22:05:39]

oobe:

i just assumed ppl could find a similar font and add it in themselves

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jams:

iamlindoro- the phrase "replace w/ Sensible defaults" does that mean change the default value, or remove the setting and replace with a fixed value, or remove the ui setting but keep it in the db.

[22:11:01]

iamlindoro:

jams: the latter

[22:11:04]

iamlindoro:

erm

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iamlindoro:

middle

[22:11:11]

iamlindoro:

the middle one :)

[22:11:12]

jams:

hehe

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jams:

it's amazing the number of "sensible defaults" i disagree with

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Spirits-Sight:

anyone able to assist I need to know what is able to be used with a laptop so that I can access a device that uses composite cables for audio & video

[22:14:53]

sphery:

heh, yeah, I was going to argue the "remove the ui setting but keep it in the db" approach

[22:15:08]

iamlindoro:

jams: TBH I am way too exhausted with the whole topic to argue with every single person about it

[22:15:09]

jams:

sphery- i would be ok with that one

[22:15:17]

sphery:

that one is worse

[22:15:18]

iamlindoro:

we either remove most of the settings, or we're done

[22:15:21]

sphery:

then users directly edit the DB

[22:15:42]

iamlindoro:

most of these settings are trivial, stupid, not hooked up to anything, and confusing as all get out

[22:15:53]

jams:

iamlindoro- i'm not looking to argue, just making a statement.

[22:16:19]

iamlindoro:

And if we become so horribly landlocked fighting about trivial settings, we'll never fix the many things wrong with myth usabilitywise

[22:18:54]

sphery:

we need more ninja stealth developers... able to sneak a change in without anyone noticing

[22:19:15]

squidly:

sphery: I kind of like this method. Fork off ;)

[22:19:19]

oobe:

yeah in a way that pleases everyone

[22:21:02]

sphery:

my new commit messages will be "Fixes a broken thing" or "Fixes brokenness" or "Fixes a thing that needed fixing."

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oobe:

is there a distinction between the 3

[22:22:03]

oobe:

they all sound nice

[22:22:04]

iamlindoro:

hopefully not

[22:22:17]

iamlindoro:

as long as that's as far any any whiny brats read, we'll be fine

[22:22:24]

jams:

dont' forget "fix one thing, break another" !

[22:22:33]

iamlindoro:

jams: That's implicit ;)

[22:22:36]

jams:

hehe

[22:22:39]

wagnerrp:

did someone go through and paste the *same* UPNP feature request into *every* feature wishlist page?

[22:22:49]

oobe:

you could add a list of the things it breaks to the commit message to

[22:22:50]

sphery:

oobe: I was thinking the first was for actual broken things, the second was for things that don't fit my world view, and the third is just things that I'm doing because I feel like it.

[22:23:08]

KennyJ:

I redid my mythtv-setup

[22:23:11]

Spirits-Sight:

Thanks for the help folks

[22:23:27]

KennyJ:

under video source all I see is the grabber settings

[22:23:40]

** iamlindoro would be very happy if he could list the things he was breaking in advance **

[22:24:02]

KennyJ:

and under input when I scan for channels he can't open the device

[22:24:12]

sphery:

KennyJ: yeah, put in username/password, then select your lineup, then Fetch channels from listings provider

[22:24:25]

sphery:

KennyJ: you don't scan with Composite/S-Video input

[22:24:32]

KennyJ:

ahh just noticed xD

[22:24:34]

sphery:

(or HD-PVR if that's what you're using)

[22:24:44]

KennyJ:

plextor convertx

[22:24:50]

sphery:

KennyJ: re-do the Delete all video sources stuff--yours got broken when you tried to scan

[22:24:58]

sphery:

you don't have to redo the Delete all capture cards

[22:25:00]

KennyJ:

...fuck

[22:25:08]

KennyJ:

ok

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sphery:

but you hadn't set it up, yet... you barely lose anything

[22:25:17]

sphery:

which I see you've realized :)

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[22:27:02]

KennyJ:

after I set it up, how do I know it works?

[22:27:34]

KennyJ:

under channel editor -> transports

[22:27:43]

KennyJ:

he says he can't probe the source either

[22:28:18]

KennyJ:

the only config I see for source is the grabber

[22:28:29]

KennyJ:

then I add the grabber to the input I use

[22:31:51]

sphery:

arrow key accelerators needs themable scripting support

[22:32:09]

sphery:

KennyJ: there are no transports for analog

[22:32:16]

sphery:

you don't want to edit htose

[22:32:19]

KennyJ:

ah ok

[22:32:35]

Jester86:

hey guys, how can i go about setting my ip to be static.. I'm connected to a switch which is then connected to a router so setting it by the router is seemingly out of the question.

[22:32:36]

Elwell:

wow. just fired up the ps3 – nice work on the upnp stuff

[22:32:45]

KennyJ:

I set everything up now, should I run mythfilldatabase, mythtv-setup says I should

[22:32:46]

sphery:

(I don't think hitting the button breaks the channel, but it might--if so, delete the channel, then re-do the Fetch channels from listings source)

[22:33:15]

sphery:

KennyJ: yeah, basically just need to set up the grabber in the source, then do Fetch channels...

[22:33:18]

Jester86:

I need to set my main backend to a static IP so I can setup my slave backend later

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sphery:

KennyJ: after that make sure you go to Input Connections and connect the source to an input

[22:33:36]

KennyJ:

ok did all that

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sphery:

KennyJ: /then/ run mythfilldatabase

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KennyJ:

alright thanks

[22:34:02]

KennyJ:

before or after starting the backend

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Jester86:

wait, just found it :)

[22:35:15]

sphery:

KennyJ: generally before

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sphery:

otherwise the backend is kind of upset that you have no listings

[22:35:38]

sphery:

it's best to allow the scheduler to do its thing on initial startup

[22:36:13]

KennyJ:

ok, cause the deb etch howto said after O.o

[22:37:15]

AndrewNC:

why doesn't mythweb use the same codepath as mfe?

[22:38:05]

oobe:

AndrewNC, you mean install path?

[22:38:09]

AndrewNC:

no, codepaths

[22:38:15]

oobe:

oh

[22:38:31]

oobe:

forget i said anything me dont know

[22:38:32]

AndrewNC:

there is a warning that many things are not error checked and may destroy your database

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sphery:

AndrewNC: because MythWeb isn't a C++ application built using Qt?

[22:41:48]

AndrewNC:

why should that matter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93vi . . . 93controller

[22:42:42]

sphery:

patches welcomed

[22:42:50]

AndrewNC:

yeah, that's what I thought ;-)

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders who is William and what has he done to give over 4 years to this project. **

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iamlindoro:

support on the list and scripts, evidently :)

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iamlindoro:

which naturally entitles him to dride the work of others

[22:46:02]

iamlindoro:

er deride

[22:46:29]

AndrewNC:

you must have an interesting position on movie critics

[22:46:40]

iamlindoro:

4 years > 100 hours spent on a .22 theme, thus his opinion is many times more important ;)

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jams:

he has been around a long time, but frankly i don't recall much support or scripts

[22:47:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

4 years, 217 posts on -users, he's not hitting on much if this is his only email address. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

[22:48:02]

iamlindoro:

3/2008 per that

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oobe:

does anyone else here use mythtfrontend on a seperate x session?

[22:48:57]

AndrewNC:

seperate from what?

[22:49:02]

oobe:

i noticed lately when i switch back to the x screen that has frontend running

[22:49:11]

oobe:

lirc lags for a moment or two

[22:49:15]

oobe:

it never used to do that

[22:49:32]

oobe:

AndrewNC, 2 Xsessions

[22:49:45]

oobe:

one with a desktop other with mythfrontend

[22:49:47]

jams:

Captain_Murdoch- http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

[22:50:03]

jams:

he changed his email

[22:50:46]

AndrewNC:

what did this guy write that he needs to be discredited?

[22:51:08]

jams:

i don't think anybody is trying to discredit him

[22:52:35]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: As jams says, nobody wants to discredit him, but he did state he has "given four years to this project" and using it as his justification for making some thoughtless, crude, and poorly written comments about 18 months worth of work

[22:53:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

just saying he whines too much. if he wants that feature back, he needs to discuss it with the devs and come up with a solution that can be integrated back. I could picture the theme design allowing this, after all gbee is talking about on-screen buttons for 'MENU', 'INFO', etc. for touchscreen use.

[22:54:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

might be possible to say if focus leaves the right side of this list, call this callback() which in turn pops up the INFO menu.

[22:55:28]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: do you have a link to his comments?

[22:55:52]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: anything on the -users list this afternoon regarding the right arrow menu

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /268851.html

[22:56:24]

iamlindoro:

That thread

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iamlindoro:

and

[22:56:32]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /268917.html

[22:56:34]

iamlindoro:

That thread

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dustybin:

what is 0.22.1 ? how can that be started before .22 has even been released?

[23:00:27]

dustybin:

why not stick the .1 with the .22 for now?

[23:00:56]

oobe:

i dont understand that first thread i just use the I key then select delete recording

[23:01:34]

AndrewNC:

I don't see anything toughtless crude or whining in those threads, poorly written maybe

[23:01:51]

AndrewNC:

guy doesn't like a change and is voicing his opinion

[23:02:16]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: Then we'll agree to disagree

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iamlindoro:

If you don't think dismissing months upon months of work as awful/useless/misguided/etc. without having done an ounce of work yourself is thoughtless, then we have very different definitions of thoughtless

[23:03:18]

dustybin:

William sounds like a nice guy :(

[23:03:31]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: that is subjective

[23:03:52]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: I'm not interested in discussing it further, thanks

[23:04:00]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: fine by me

[23:05:59]

skd5aner:

I gotta admit, I had to teach my wife to work without the accelerator keys, and have to retrain ourselves on how we've used it for 4+ years...

[23:06:12]

iamlindoro:

That' progress for ya

[23:06:14]

iamlindoro:

That's

[23:06:30]

AndrewNC:

people complained about Windows95 too, but the start menu is still around

[23:06:33]

skd5aner:

the biggest change for me personally is not being able to hit right on a recording, then up then right, then up then enter to delet a recording

[23:06:38]

skd5aner:

I had it to muscle memory :D

[23:06:56]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Right, menu, up, select

[23:07:10]

iamlindoro:

(in a buttonlist that has wrapstyle set to items, anyway)

[23:07:34]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yup – just retraining my thumb after 4+ years of dumb button pressing the "old way"

[23:07:46]

iamlindoro:

yep, with more to come :)

[23:08:00]

skd5aner:

I'm ok with it – my wife, even surprisingly enough was ok with it, no complaints...

[23:08:06]

iamlindoro:

Can't please the people who want fancy new UI while simultaneously presevring every fiddly old UI behavior

[23:08:27]

iamlindoro:

In the end, it'll be a balance of both-- will still feel like myth, but everyone will need to adapt

[23:08:33]

skd5aner:

I just told her "themes can now be "2d" instead of "1d". They can use the x and the y axis to do things, rather than just the up

[23:09:09]

skd5aner:

she thought that was a good enough reason – "increased possibility factor"

[23:09:13]

** Captain_Murdoch just hits the button he has mapped to 'D', works from Watch Recordings and during playbck. **

[23:09:36]

** skd5aner loves how his wife has come to accept (and enjoy) her husband's myth obsession :) **

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mchou:

lol

[23:11:05]

flexy:

I had the channel logo problem with mythbuntu. Failed to save to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels/somelogo.jpg

[23:11:17]

flexy:

even though write rights are there

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skd5aner:

captain_murdoch – yea, only problem is right now I don't have the key mapped – but for the most part I'm using a keyboard right now anyway, so D is another option that works well

[23:12:09]

flexy:

I uninstalled mythtv mythbuntu packages, got svn release 0.22 fixes, compiled it and same error...

[23:12:30]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro – does the EPG in Graphite not show the channel name, just the logo?

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flexy:

skd5aner: log and channel number

[23:14:08]

skd5aner:

I obviously get the chan #s, but no name

[23:14:10]

flexy:

atleast I have it set up so

[23:14:12]

skd5aner:

flexy: log?

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flexy:

sorry, logo

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flexy:

normally logo and number, now only number, because of the problem I described now (and a couple of hours earlier)

[23:15:18]

skd5aner:

np – gotcha. Right now, my channel icons are not displaying, but haven't troubleshooted yet. Was trying to watch Live TV over the weekend, and found it hard to do with just the chan #

[23:15:52]

skd5aner:

where did you describe the problem, on list or in this channel? what was it?

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flexy:

this channel

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flexy:

I've got a old database, gathered with svn installed on debian

[23:17:40]

Josh_Borke:

skd5aner: i am envious of you and your wife

[23:17:52]

ExElNeT_:

heya. how can i configure mythtv-setup on a backend only server? i tried ssh -X but im not sure if im missing something since mythtv-setup cant find an xserver

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Josh_Borke:

ExElNeT_: did you enable X11 forwarding?

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ExElNeT_:

Josh_Borke: ssh -XY server yeah

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Josh_Borke:

on the server

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flexy:

now I installed mythbuntu and logos don't work, EPG is slow because of that. FE log says "failed to save to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels/somelogo.jpg"

[23:19:07]

sphery:

11.03 18:06:33 < skd5aner> the biggest change for me personally is not being able to hit right on a recording, then up then right, then up then enter to delet a recording

[23:19:08]

flexy:

that dir is world writable

[23:19:30]

sphery:

skd5aner: ^^^ perhaps the best way to convince users that arrow key accelerators aren't that great

[23:19:42]

sphery:

that's a long list of buttons to hit :)

[23:20:01]

ExElNeT_:

Josh_Borke: bah doh... fixed it thanks!

[23:21:03]

flexy:

I was baffled, got hints that perhaps mythbuntu wrapper scripts are borking env or something. uninstalled myth packages, got svn RC1-fixes, have the same problem

[23:21:30]

skd5aner:

sphery: haha, but yea – gotta admit, while on paper it obviously ups the button count, it was convienet because my thumb never left the d-pad on the remote

[23:21:54]

Josh_Borke:

flexy: you have to make sure the path to that directory is accessible by the user running FE

[23:22:13]

skd5aner:

I liked accelerator buttons, but it took me about 30 seconds to make peace that they are no longer around

[23:22:18]

flexy:

Josh_Borke: it is. it is world writable.

[23:22:39]

Josh_Borke:

flexy: the entire path? /home is word writable, /home/myth is world writable?

[23:22:45]

flexy:

Josh_Borke: it is in the home dir of the user running FE

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skd5aner:

I also find myself forgetting that I now have to hit ESC to get out of menu instead of left, but again – habit only

[23:23:15]

flexy:

Josh_Borke: yes, I chmod 777 a couple of times, trying to get this fixed

[23:23:18]

sphery:

skd5aner: I used them, but in retrospect their inconsistency was really more annoying than they were useful

[23:23:39]

Josh_Borke:

no clue then, that's a weird problem. if you were using fedora i'd say setenforce 0 but you're not, so nvm

[23:23:54]

skd5aner:

sphery: true

[23:24:01]

skd5aner:

well, about the inconsistency that is

[23:24:14]

sphery:

if they could be applied all through myth and be consistent, they would be great

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sphery:

but I actually used horizontal-menu themes where the left/right stuff was disabled

[23:25:08]

sphery:

it's really unfortunate that the popups in 0.22+ still basically give you arrow-key accelerator functionality :(

[23:25:24]

sphery:

(as that will make it harder for people to learn to do things "the right way")

[23:25:29]

skd5aner:

sphery: losing accelerator keys are about the lowest on my list of "complaints" ;)

[23:25:35]

skd5aner:

if at all

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sphery:

heh

[23:25:58]

sphery:

yeah, for a moment there (until you figured out the bookmark=127 thing) you lost all your recordings :)

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skd5aner:

ha – honestly, I'm just glad I was able to track that down as quickly as I did... if not, my wife would have had my head

[23:26:58]

skd5aner:

"Where did all 341 of our recordings go – bring them back, or we'll be running .21 forever"

[23:27:08]

sphery:

yeah... it wasn't really a well-trafficked thread in the archives, so I'm surprised you found it so quick.

[23:27:22]

skd5aner:

that's what -v will do for you sometimes

[23:27:27]

sphery:

I actually had it in my folder still and marked in blue/TODO because I planned to look into it

[23:27:28]

unimaginative:

If I connected the blaster port from my MCEUSB2 to the remote IR Reciever port on my STB, does anyone expect that it will work?

[23:27:47]

sphery:

the actual ticket just upped the priority on that TODO :)

[23:27:48]

skd5aner:

whenever I have a problem like that, that's unique, I try to post it just in case someone else stumbles on it

[23:28:04]

sphery:

that's good, too

[23:28:22]

skd5aner:

hey – I asked a brief question on dev channel today, but probably the wrong forum...

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sphery:

and since you brought it back up, I was able to delete that thread from my -users folder to clear out some of the backlog :)

[23:28:45]

flexy:

if I provide a wanted logo file (named the same as in one of the "failed to save" messages) then it is showed on EPG.

[23:29:00]

skd5aner:

mind taking a stab at why my other ticket was quickly fixed and applied to trunk, but not also backported to .22-fixes prior to launch? let me get the #

[23:29:32]

sphery:

yeah, it's basically because each new commit to -fixes is resetting the "let it settle" clock

[23:29:42]

skd5aner:

#7476

[23:29:47]

sphery:

so we're going to release, then backport the actual fixes

[23:30:05]

skd5aner:

np – just thought it was potentially "serious" enough

[23:30:25]

sphery:

I have a list of 5 patches in my "backport" section of my quilt series file

[23:30:32]

skd5aner:

I suppose no one in their right mind is going to run .22-straight anyway...

[23:30:44]

unimaginative:

skd5aner, hmm?

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sphery:

they all apply to -fixes (so no real backporting required) but just waiting for release

[23:30:58]

sphery:

then the distros will pick it up in -fixes

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skd5aner:

making it up – meant non -fixes

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OpenSoruceBrad:

Hello, i am having trouble setting up my Capture card for my backend, I have a en7800 gt graphics card, it comes with tv-in tv-out breakout box that plugs into the graphics card. I don't know its 'card type' or how to refer to the device.

[23:31:48]

sphery:

yeah, and I'm hoping that this time we'll either update the release tarball /far/ more often or just do a *ly "latest fixes" tarball

[23:31:56]

OpenSoruceBrad:

Ref link :http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1890 This link mentions the (VIVO) break out box

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unimaginative:

OpenSoruceBrad, first thing you need to do is find out if ithe capture part of your card is supported in linux.

[23:32:05]

sphery:

(daily/weekly/per-change-to-fixes)

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unimaginative:

OpenSoruceBrad, and that's not something you should expect someone else to find out for you.

[23:32:30]

skd5aner:

yup

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OpenSoruceBrad:

unimaginative, i understand this, but i do not know where to begin.

[23:33:08]

sphery:

OpenSoruceBrad: http://linuxtv.org/wiki

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sphery:

list of supported cards

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unimaginative:

OpenSoruceBrad, you might start by googling "<card model num> linux"

[23:33:36]

unimaginative:

or linuxtv is a good place as well :)

[23:34:01]

sphery:

or both! Google with site:linuxtv.org/wiki

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sphery:

:)

[23:34:41]

skd5aner:

hey – quick irc newb question, what's the best way to indicate you're away?

[23:34:50]

Jester86:

what ports do i need to forward to my IP thru my router for mythweb?

[23:34:58]

flexy:

skd5aner: stop writing?

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flexy:

:D

[23:35:03]

skd5aner:

haha :)

[23:35:06]

OpenSoruceBrad:

this is my problem though, I don't know what the device that plugs into my graphics card is called. =( It's unique.

[23:35:07]

unimaginative:

Jester86, port 80.

[23:35:09]

sphery:

OpenSoruceBrad: I have a feeling, though, the answer (as with most any graphics-card/tv-card combo) is "won't work on Linux"

[23:35:30]

Jester86:

unimaginative, isn't that the same port used by other stuff tho ?

[23:35:45]

unimaginative:

Jester86, port 80 is the "standard" port used for HTTP

[23:35:51]

Jester86:

I know port 6544 is MythTV Status

[23:36:03]

Jester86:

unimaginative, is there a way I could change that to something else?

[23:36:24]

unimaginative:

Jester86, sure, in the config file for your webserver (you need a webserver to run mythweb)

[23:36:25]

Jester86:

I would like to make it something that I could have set aside specifically for mythtv

[23:36:55]

Jester86:

alright unimaginative thanks.. i'm going to have to try to figure this out.. its mythbuntu so.. haha

[23:37:34]

flexy:

that my problem. It went away by providing the channel logos by myself. I would think this is actually a bug...

[23:37:52]

unimaginative:

Jester86, much easier solution though, is to forward whatever port you want mythweb to be accessable on > to port 80 on the webeserver on your local LAN.

[23:38:00]

sphery:

OpenSoruceBrad: pretty sure nvidia VIVO isn't supported in Linux. You will likely have to start at http://linuxtv.org/wiki and find a different card under Hardware Device Information: that's supported--or find a Windows DVR.

[23:38:08]

OpenSoruceBrad:

sphery, its not an analog in card, its is simply a component(yellow)/s-video in and RGB/component/s-video out. I never know what to call it =(

[23:38:30]

OpenSoruceBrad:

alright thank you sphery

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Jester86:

unimaginative, I dont think i quite follow

[23:38:41]

sphery:

the /output/ portion of the card will work fine

[23:38:58]

sphery:

I'm 99% positive the /input/ portion won't

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unimaginative:

OpenSoruceBrad, quick clarification, compoNENT is red/blue/green. compoSITE is yellow.

[23:39:18]

OpenSoruceBrad:

unimaginative, my mistake.

[23:39:22]

unimaginative:

Jester86, youv'e got a webserver on your local lan already, right? (the box you want to install mythweb)

[23:39:58]

unimaginative:

Jester86, I'd bet money that that webserver is already configured to listen to port 80, but it's only accessable to your local LAN.

[23:39:59]

Jester86:

yeah I already have apache running on the mythBox

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unimaginative:

Jester86, just forward whatever port you want to use to the box running apache, on port 80

[23:40:21]

Jester86:

unimaginative, no its accessible to the outside world i believe

[23:40:36]

unimaginative:

Jester86, let's see

[23:41:05]

Jester86:

unimaginative, pm plz?

[23:41:13]

unimaginative:

Jester86, I already have your IP, muahaha

[23:41:26]

unimaginative:

and yes, your mythweb session is already available on the interwebz

[23:41:34]

unimaginative:

good job enabling security though.

[23:41:46]

Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

u can directly see my status on port 6544 tho :-\

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unimaginative:

Jester86, is the box running apache the same box that is your router?

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Jester86:

no I have it connected to a switch which is then connected to a router

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unimaginative:

Jester86, Yes, that's correct.

[23:43:00]

unimaginative:

Jester86, is your router set up so your apache server is in the DMZ?

[23:43:18]

unimaginative:

weird that all requests are being forwarded to your myth backend.

[23:43:20]

Jester86:

no its not

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Jester86:

i have it setup for port forwarding

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unimaginative:

uPNP?

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Jester86:

ports 6543–6546 & port 80

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unimaginative:

ahh

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unimaginative:

Why are you making the 654* ports accessable to the web?

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Jester86:

b/c i was experimenting b4

[23:44:25]

Jester86:

didn't know which port i needed to open lol

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unimaginative:

Jester86, What port do you want mythweb to be available on?

[23:44:48]

Jester86:

i want to leave 6544 open to my mythserver tho b/c i can get on my cell and check it via wifi :)

[23:45:00]

Jester86:

now that unimaginative I'm not sure ..

[23:45:05]

Jester86:

i guess what would u go with?

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unimaginative:

Jester86, anything higher than 1024

[23:46:08]

Jester86:

i just opened my ports.conf file in /etc/apache2/

[23:46:22]

unimaginative:

Jester86, with your setup, it's easier than that

[23:46:28]

Jester86:

alright

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sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks for the clarification on the Apple trailers/XBMC thing. I really didn't know enough to answer.

[23:46:43]

Jester86:

so lets say 1025?

[23:46:51]

Jester86:

or wait no i'll go 6543

[23:47:12]

Jester86:

no 6545

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Jester86:

6543 acts like its actually trying to connect to something

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unimaginative:

change your port forwarding rule in your router instead of forwarding port 80, forward port 6545 on your external interface to apachebox: port 80 on your internal interface

[23:47:33]

sphery:

6543, 6544, 6546, and many others in the area are used by Myth

[23:47:49]

sphery:

unimaginative: +1

[23:48:09]

unimaginative:

Jester86, there's really no issue to change the port, unless you're just really paranoid though.

[23:48:37]

unimaginative:

Just like a second ago, I could connect, but I needed a login:password to actually get to your recordings, channels, etc.

[23:48:46]

Jester86:

yeah

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Jester86:

unimaginative, which port did you get connection thru?

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unimaginative:

80

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Jester86:

i may leave it at 80 unless u guys think I should change it

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OpenSoruceBrad:

ok, guys I just tested the cord, and it does component and composite out, I assume getting composite in would be easy (knowing that the device is operational)

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Jester86:

unimaginative, what does port triggering do?

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unimaginative:

Suppose you have a program that listens to remote requests. The first "hit" is on port 22, for example status, and then attepts to connect on another, random port.

[23:54:22]

Jester86:

hmm

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unimaginative:

port triggering is exactly that, "watch" port 22, and whatever port requested immediately afterward is automatically opened.

[23:55:02]

Dibblah:

Otherwise known as port knocking.

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Jester86:

so could i have it listen to port 6540 and connect 80?

[23:55:15]

unimaginative:

Jester86, no.

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Jester86:

fook

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Jester86:

i may just leave it on 80..

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unimaginative:

when someome attempts to connect to your webserver, it connects directly to port 80

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Jester86:

i cant see in the router how to change it

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Jester86:

yeah

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Jester86:

the only workaround i see it to change which port apache itself is using

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unimaginative:

Jester86, just wondering why you're hellbent on changing it?

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Dibblah:

Port knocking is generally not implemented on commercial routers.

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sphery:

OpenSoruceBrad: Getting composite into Windows should be easy. Getting it into Linux is a whole other challenge.

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Dibblah:

... openwrt / etc doesn't even expose it by default.

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sphery:

Port knocking should GDIAF. SPA ftw!

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Jester86:

unimaginative, at this point i'm more just not wanting to accept defeat ;)

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sphery:

http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/

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jherm:

Hey guys, running Fedora 12-Beta here (kernel 2.6.31.5–96.fc12.x86_64) and mythtv (r22713 of branch release-0-22-fixes (the tip of this branch as of earlier today)), I've installed firmware for my Hauppauge HVR-1800 and I've since reload the modules (with the firmware.) I've detected channels through mythtv-setup, but when I go to watch live TV in mythfrontend (same PC is backend + frontend) I'm getting this error: http://pastebin

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jherm:

.ca/1655725

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unimaginative:

Jester86, just keep in mind that in this case, default is a web standard.

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Jester86:

yeah

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Jester86:

i think I'm just going to leave it as is

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unimaginative:

Jester86, for example, if you're forced to run through a web proxy at a remote facility, you won't be able to connect to your mythweb instance if it's not running on port 80

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sphery:

jherm: TTBOMK, the analog portion of the HVR-1800 still doesn't work with Myth.

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jherm:

sphery: Yeah, I set it up as an IVTV MPEG2 decoder...

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sphery:

yeah, that's the analog side

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jherm:

:(

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jherm:

Yep.

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jherm:

F$*@#*

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Jester86:

hmm good info unimaginative

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