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| [00:01:05] | k-man_: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [00:01:40] | skd5aner: | I noticed in some of the new themes, that some items in selection boxes get truncated. |
| [00:01:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: /usr/sbin/zdump -v America/New_York |
| [00:02:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: can output that to a text file then diff |
| [00:02:12] | skd5aner: | I thought there might be a way to expand the selection, with either a dropdown box or the old method of popping them up to show all the options |
| [00:02:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'd appreciate hearing the results :) |
| [00:02:47] | wagnerrp: | so just how did avahi manage to take ownership of my /var/log/mythtv |
| [00:02:59] | skd5aner: | I think I noticed it most on the recording options "record at any time on any channel" etc |
| [00:03:11] | wagnerrp: | and more importantly, how did the one frontend take ownership back, and the other not... |
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| [00:03:42] | mtrelins: | can anyone recommend a good small form factor pci-e card? |
| [00:03:49] | jafa: | almost there... sound... not getting any sound in myth, sound is ok in Movie Player, though Movie Player won't play if mythfrontend is running. Tried both with and without passthrough. |
| [00:03:53] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot o' data... |
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| [00:04:31] | [R]: | mtrelins: that does what... |
| [00:04:31] | jafa: | ideal would be to mix 5.1 so myth can co-exist with other audio apps |
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| [00:04:41] | mtrelins: | [R] that does NVidia ;) |
| [00:04:49] | [R]: | mtrelins: does nvidia? |
| [00:04:50] | mtrelins: | i just bought a card that a guy at best buy said was sff and it's not |
| [00:04:56] | mtrelins: | yeah it's me again |
| [00:05:05] | mtrelins: | are the quadro series good? |
| [00:05:12] | [R]: | it didn't come with a low height bracket? |
| [00:05:20] | k-man_: | do you think the acer R3600 would have enough grunt to run a frontend and backend? |
| [00:05:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's a -c cutoffyear ("Cut off the verbose output near the start of the given year.") but I can't figure out how to make it work |
| [00:05:28] | wagnerrp: | mtrelins: no |
| [00:05:32] | [R]: | k-man_: what is 'the acer r3600' |
| [00:05:47] | antgel: | am reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup – just installed my first DVB-S card ever. finding it a bit confusing at step 8 – allegedly my signal in 0%. what's the best way to try the card without myth, just as a starting point – something like tvtime? |
| [00:05:50] | wagnerrp: | the quadro series are custom variants of the consumer chips |
| [00:06:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but I'd even be happy with just the output of zdump for each of the zoneinfo files (if you don't want to go through ti) |
| [00:06:12] | k-man_: | [R]: http://us.acer.com/acer/product.do%3bjsession . . . ;ctx1.att21k |
| [00:06:18] | k-man_: | oh crap, sorry about the url |
| [00:06:20] | [R]: | k-man_: you can't just tell me cpu and ram? |
| [00:06:26] | [R]: | i'm not gonna goto a link |
| [00:06:35] | wagnerrp: | but they have extra hardware and firmware that accelerates various professional 3D apps, and enabled things like quad buffering for dual-display stereo |
| [00:06:40] | k-man_: | [R]: yeah sorry, i didn't realise it was such a long URL |
| [00:06:56] | [R]: | the length of the url doesn't change my desire to go to it |
| [00:06:56] | wagnerrp: | they work just fine, but they are overpriced if youre not going to use any of those features |
| [00:07:00] | wagnerrp: | and for a mythtv box, you will not |
| [00:07:33] | antgel: | aha, the card needs firmware :P |
| [00:07:46] | wagnerrp: | zdump is going on 2.5 minutes on my file server |
| [00:07:51] | wagnerrp: | no idea what its doing |
| [00:08:07] | mtrelins: | asus, gigabyte, or msi for nvidia? |
| [00:08:16] | mtrelins: | (looking on newegg) |
| [00:08:33] | skd5aner: | mtrelins – not sure it really matters |
| [00:08:55] | wagnerrp: | buy a well known brand, preferably a fanless one |
| [00:08:58] | skd5aner: | all use the same chipset, really form factor and fan/fanless really make the bigger differences (from my viewpoint) |
| [00:09:09] | mtrelins: | low profile = small form factor? |
| [00:09:13] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [00:09:16] | mtrelins: | ok |
| [00:09:37] | wagnerrp: | according to most sane people |
| [00:09:53] | wagnerrp: | the BB guy could have been meaning it wasnt a double-height card |
| [00:09:54] | skd5aner: | yea – don't trust teh crazies |
| [00:09:59] | wagnerrp: | or he could have just been retarded |
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| [00:10:31] | mtrelins: | he looked wasted |
| [00:10:40] | mtrelins: | and i must have been wasted for listening to him |
| [00:10:40] | wagnerrp: | return it |
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| [00:10:44] | mtrelins: | oh i will |
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| [00:11:09] | mtrelins: | What Would Wagnerrp buy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127454 OR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121347 |
| [00:11:24] | k-man_: | [R]: anyway, it has 2g of ram and err.. i dunno what, but apparantly its ion based so you could do the playback ok – i don't see why it couldn't do the backend too except for space restrictions. I just realised though that it does not have 802.11n wifi |
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| [00:12:03] | [R]: | k-man_: and the processor is... |
| [00:12:17] | wagnerrp: | id go for the fanless MSI, but that heatsink looks kind of percarious |
| [00:12:19] | justinh: | superm1: builds ok with directfb disabled :) |
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| [00:12:48] | justdave: | I thought 0.21 did build on karmic |
| [00:12:53] | k-man_: | [R]: intel atom 230 |
| [00:12:55] | justdave: | jya has it in his repo, and it works |
| [00:13:19] | justdave: | (I'm running 0.21 out of avenard with karmic on one of my front-ends right now) |
| [00:13:29] | [R]: | k-man_: it probably could be |
| [00:13:30] | skd5aner: | justinh: yup – I believe that's what it got stuck on for me as well, but was migrating to .22 anyway, so I just said to heck with it |
| [00:13:52] | skd5aner: | just wanted to confirm that was the same thing that held it up for me too |
| [00:14:26] | k-man_: | [R]: one could just team it up with a nice NAS box for storage |
| [00:14:41] | [R]: | k-man_: storage has ntohing to do with it... |
| [00:14:53] | k-man_: | they are so cheap on ebay i might just get one to play with |
| [00:15:29] | k-man_: | [R]: i know – except it will be no fun running mythtv with only 500g of storage and recording DVB-T hd |
| [00:15:37] | [R]: | ONLY 500g? |
| [00:15:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [00:15:42] | [R]: | i "only" have 1tb |
| [00:15:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1652323 |
| [00:15:49] | wagnerrp: | its a big'un |
| [00:16:17] | k-man_: | [R]: actually, the cheap ones come with less, 250g i think |
| [00:16:33] | justinh: | gee |
| [00:16:33] | justinh: | makes my 4TB look a bit excessive! |
| [00:16:33] | justinh: | << file squirrel |
| [00:17:00] | justinh: | ubuntu hater, ex-developer, twitterer, file squirrel |
| [00:17:20] | _ben: | general whinger |
| [00:17:21] | _ben: | :p |
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| [00:18:45] | justinh: | myers. quite |
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| [00:19:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks |
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| [00:19:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/shiny.png |
| [00:19:23] | justinh: | what's so wrong with wanting things to work they always have done in the past? |
| [00:19:23] | iamlindoro: | This afternoon's project |
| [00:19:28] | iamlindoro: | take that naughty Qt settings |
| [00:19:35] | iamlindoro: | take that, stupid command line grabber setup |
| [00:19:46] | iamlindoro: | welcome, pretty spinbox of friendly grabber names |
| [00:19:54] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i copied the freebsd one over to my gentoo box and ran zdump... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1652327 |
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| [00:20:02] | wagnerrp: | seems the freebsd zdump is broken for some reason |
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| [00:20:23] | justinh: | iamlindoro: sweet |
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| [00:20:43] | jafa: | checking... mythtv can't coexist with pulseaudio? |
| [00:21:12] | [R]: | i just saw some commits for pulse support |
| [00:21:15] | [R]: | but pulse is crap to begin with |
| [00:21:22] | wagnerrp: | jafa: it prefers not to |
| [00:21:36] | sphery: | heh, was just about to ask about the other one :) |
| [00:21:53] | jafa: | agreed about pulseaudio, but i *really* want audio apps to work and not kill each other |
| [00:21:55] | superm1: | justinh, i wonder if anyone actually ever uses directfb in the first place |
| [00:22:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what's up with that initial partial one with -219 for the year? |
| [00:22:19] | wagnerrp: | that was from zdump on freebsd |
| [00:22:27] | wagnerrp: | thats how far it got after several minutes |
| [00:22:28] | sphery: | oh, it had date issues or something? |
| [00:22:36] | wagnerrp: | hence the '^C' |
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| [00:22:45] | antgel: | damn, now i'm getting signal strength 83%, but no lock on all the transponders i've tried |
| [00:22:47] | sphery: | seems it's not using the >32-bit aware time |
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| [00:22:54] | wagnerrp: | the second pastebin is the same file, copied over to my gentoo box, and run on gentoo's zdump |
| [00:23:31] | Dagmar: | I think it's a safe thing to say that everything that's being done with time is wrong. |
| [00:23:40] | Dagmar: | If for no other reason than it's not using epoch time when it damn well should be. |
| [00:24:03] | wagnerrp: | it would appear that my gentoo box lists the DST change as next week |
| [00:24:10] | Dagmar: | I've been lokoing through the source and I'm not amused |
| [00:24:23] | wagnerrp: | no, the freebsd box, rather |
| [00:24:26] | wagnerrp: | gentoo is fine |
| [00:24:34] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: They needed more DST to make time go faster maybe? |
| [00:24:41] | jafa: | ok, mythfrontend is now reporting that it is suspending pusle audio... still no audio |
| [00:24:57] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: If it makes you feel any better, my phone jumped back two horus |
| [00:25:00] | Dagmar: | s/horus/hours/; |
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| [00:25:18] | wagnerrp: | it would be so much cooler if it jumped an Egyptian god |
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| [00:26:11] | jafa: | "Unknown PCM digital" |
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| [00:27:24] | jafa: | set to ALSA:default... now it is happy opening audio but no sound |
| [00:27:36] | wagnerrp: | so... if zdump says its wrong, why is 'date' showing up right? |
| [00:27:47] | wagnerrp: | and why do i have a time jump in my logs? |
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| [00:30:12] | superm1: | jafa, http://imagebin.org/70061 i posted that earlier. that's what i'm using to get audio working on a karmic laptop with pulseaudio on it |
| [00:30:50] | Dagmar: | What, no ball-peen hammer? |
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| [00:31:17] | wagnerrp: | nah, the bigger one, the sledge |
| [00:31:26] | Cyber-Dogg: | anyone running daisy chained STBs? |
| [00:31:31] | Cyber-Dogg: | firewire |
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| [00:31:36] | jafa: | set to stereo, defaults as per screnshot... nadda |
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| [00:31:42] | justinh: | so, not much left to do now, assuming this box is healthy |
| [00:32:10] | Cyber-Dogg: | i'm trying to but I keep having this issue where one of the boxes resets |
| [00:32:19] | Cyber-Dogg: | full power cycle |
| [00:32:29] | Cyber-Dogg: | and it only happens when I'm recording from both boxes at the same time |
| [00:33:12] | jafa: | ah... need to set the alsa iec958 output seperatly from the normal ubuntu sound settings |
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| [00:37:55] | jafa: | sound, but 5.1 doesn't work and other audio apps stop working when mythtv is run |
| [00:38:04] | jafa: | "doesn't play well with others" :) |
| [00:38:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Those look to have the same info for 2009. As a matter of fact, the only real difference is the Gentoo one goes back to 1883 and past 2038, but the BSD one doesn't. |
| [00:39:13] | wagnerrp: | was i looking at the wrong year, i thought i saw the freebsd one list the 8th |
| [00:39:51] | wagnerrp: | i must have seen 'Mar 8' |
| [00:39:52] | sphery: | Mar 8 |
| [00:39:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:41:15] | sphery: | so, unless there's some wonkiness in QDateTime::toUTC(), I don't see what's happening |
| [00:41:36] | Cyber-Dogg: | I'm also still working on VDPAU issues... |
| [00:41:41] | sphery: | especially since the report on Trac and the one in here a week ago were on combined frontend/backend systems |
| [00:42:03] | Cyber-Dogg: | basically, if I set the playback profile to any fo the VDPAU options, I get an error int he log that says it can't find that option compiled in |
| [00:42:09] | Cyber-Dogg: | I'm on .22 |
| [00:42:23] | Cyber-Dogg: | well to be more precise... I just installed ubuntu 9.10 and then did an apt-get on mythtv |
| [00:44:34] | Dagmar: | Seems pretty clear to me |
| [00:44:48] | Dagmar: | Support wasn't compiled into that build for it. |
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| [00:45:07] | Cyber-Dogg: | so how do I get it? :-) |
| [00:45:25] | Dagmar: | You ask the people who compiled your binary. |
| [00:45:28] | Dagmar: | :-) |
| [00:45:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL |
| [00:47:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: anyway, thanks for the info... I'll look into how Qt's doing the UTC stuff to see if we're relying on brokenness |
| [00:48:35] | antgel: | don't suppose anybody here's using a hauppauge wintv nova-s2 hd (allegedly similar to hvr4000)? |
| [00:48:42] | antgel: | having trouble getting it up and running |
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| [00:50:19] | brad2: | does anyone have any reco's for a good coding editor? Right now i'm just using nano |
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| [00:52:53] | Dagmar: | vim |
| [00:53:09] | antgel: | emacs! |
| [00:53:28] | wagnerrp: | kwrite! |
| [00:54:01] | antgel: | onto other matters, how can i test this DVB-S2 card without mythtv? can't get tvtime scanner to work – what's the most basic DVB-S software around? or can someone give me a hand debugging it? |
| [00:54:11] | brad2: | hmm, guess i will try them all, lol |
| [00:54:18] | wagnerrp: | vlc can probably use it |
| [00:54:23] | antgel: | seems to me that i need the basics working before i start it with myth |
| [00:55:07] | antgel: | wagnerrp: i'll give it a shot |
| [00:55:33] | antgel: | hmm, dvb-apps and dvb-utils weren't installed, time will tell how crucial that omission was |
| [00:56:08] | wagnerrp: | completely unnecessary |
| [00:56:17] | antgel: | wagnerrp: http://davidwinter.me.uk/articles/2008/02/08/ . . . r-on-ubuntu/ |
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| [00:56:52] | antgel: | wagnerrp: ^^ made it look necessary |
| [00:57:06] | wagnerrp: | VLC, yes... mythtv, not at all |
| [00:57:16] | wagnerrp: | and its only needed for VLC to make a channels.conf |
| [00:57:34] | antgel: | so i'm trying it with VLC – i need something lighter than myth to verify that the card's working |
| [00:57:46] | antgel: | i don't remember DVB-T being 10% of the pain of DVB-S |
| [00:58:21] | antgel: | i'd be happy just to see the thing scan some channels |
| [00:59:09] | mzb: | brad2, gedit has some nice features |
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| [01:00:38] | Wicked: | brad2, nano also has syntax highlighting for most languages. hit up google to find out how to enable them. |
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| [01:04:25] | justinh: | oof. scan works but not in mythtv |
| [01:04:42] | antgel: | hmm, the 'scan' utility appears to be working for me with this DVB-S2 card |
| [01:05:07] | antgel: | i'll try and make a channels.conf, use it in $some_other_program, then come back here ;) |
| [01:05:12] | antgel: | justinh: you and me both? |
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| [01:05:32] | justinh: | and I know my stuff, believe me |
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| [01:05:58] | antgel: | justinh: er, i'm not a complete moron either |
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| [01:06:18] | lumak: | Hello everybody |
| [01:06:36] | justinh: | got a lock on something but it's not getting channels. changed the timeout & still no dice |
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| [01:06:58] | antgel: | you got a lock? lucky man ;) |
| [01:07:08] | justinh: | and now it segfaulted. oh dear |
| [01:07:31] | brad2: | mzb/wicked: thanks appreciate the advice! |
| [01:07:38] | antgel: | scan gives me a lot of "tuning failed" messages, but not on every transponder |
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| [01:08:55] | antgel: | justinh: what's your story? you upgrading or new install? |
| [01:09:44] | justinh: | installing on a new box alongside an existing system |
| [01:09:54] | justinh: | just trying out the hardware |
| [01:10:07] | mtrelins: | rad i just got a 1gb low profile asus from amazon.com for 50 bux <3 gift cards |
| [01:10:14] | justinh: | kaffeine is moaning that it can't demux the streams |
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| [01:10:36] | lumak: | Ugh... anybody know much about mythweb? |
| [01:10:43] | justinh: | tzapping BBC ONE & mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 isn't working either |
| [01:10:50] | justinh: | tzap reports a good signal |
| [01:10:53] | wagnerrp: | lumak: what do you need? |
| [01:10:57] | lumak: | more specifically getting it to work under /localhost/mythweb/ |
| [01:11:37] | wagnerrp: | that would be up to your distro, and how it handles apache |
| [01:11:40] | lumak: | I'm having issues with first, going to /localhost/mythweb/ in my browser produces a directory listing instead of going to mythweb.php |
| [01:11:44] | antgel: | justinh: what's the hardware? i'm fighting a hauppauge dvb-s2 |
| [01:12:07] | lumak: | second, I receive the message "Warning at /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php, line 23: |
| [01:12:07] | lumak: | require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [01:12:07] | lumak: | " |
| [01:12:15] | lumak: | when I go o it directly |
| [01:12:25] | wagnerrp: | you DONT go it it directly |
| [01:12:32] | wagnerrp: | NEVER NEVER NEVER |
| [01:12:33] | lumak: | ahh |
| [01:12:38] | lumak: | that would explain things |
| [01:12:39] | wagnerrp: | it is designed to run through a webserver |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | and only through a webserver |
| [01:12:48] | wagnerrp: | hence... 'web' |
| [01:12:51] | lumak: | yes yes |
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| [01:13:02] | lumak: | I'm accessing it with http://localhost/mythweb |
| [01:13:14] | lumak: | that produces a directory listing |
| [01:13:16] | ** Dagmar 's jaq drops ** | |
| [01:13:20] | Dagmar: | s/jaq/jaw/; |
| [01:13:33] | lumak: | with http://localhost/mythweb/mythweb.php, it produces the error |
| [01:13:40] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [01:13:54] | Dagmar: | There's a bare minimum of reading involved in getting mythweb to work |
| [01:14:01] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you might want to take this time to read it. |
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| [01:14:21] | antgel: | a classic RTFM with a sarcastic twist! |
| [01:14:22] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to go to any specific php file either |
| [01:14:23] | lumak: | why does everybody assume nobody reads documentation? |
| [01:14:26] | Wicked: | np brad2 |
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| [01:14:31] | wagnerrp: | you need to go to the base path |
| [01:14:31] | lumak: | I use slackware, I read everything |
| [01:14:36] | Dagmar: | lumak: because it's BLISTERINGLY OBVIOUS that you didn't read any |
| [01:14:37] | wagnerrp: | and let the redirect rules take care of everything |
| [01:14:52] | wagnerrp: | 'function.require' usually means youre missing some php extension |
| [01:15:02] | lumak: | sorry I can't form my questions to your satisfaction Dagmar |
| [01:15:15] | antgel: | lumak: because lots of people, er, don't. or are like me in that they read it but always seem to miss the small, important points |
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| [01:15:44] | Dagmar: | lumak: You're not sorry yet, but if you keep acting like that the lack of help will make you sorry |
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| [01:16:33] | antgel: | Dagmar: he said he read the docs, give the guy a break – that's more than many users |
| [01:16:45] | lumak: | What did I do wrong?... Ugh anyway I've done the standard set up and have gone through the mythweb.conf and INSTALL and READ me several times |
| [01:16:54] | lumak: | Does anybody know a better place to look? |
| [01:17:13] | Dagmar: | antgel: Actually a great many users claim to head read the docs |
| [01:17:20] | Dagmar: | s/head/have/; |
| [01:17:30] | antgel: | lumak: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb, perchance? |
| [01:17:43] | lumak: | read that too. |
| [01:17:51] | Dagmar: | lumak: Look at why Apache isn't _honoring your directives to run the main php script_ |
| [01:19:11] | justinh: | whoah nothing coming out of dvr0 with a lock in tzap. wtf |
| [01:19:19] | lumak: | hrmmms |
| [01:21:00] | antgel: | ooh, locky locky for me with szap |
| [01:21:16] | lumak: | I'm a bit confused on the access of the main mythweb.php script.... |
| [01:21:29] | wagnerrp: | lumak: that first issue "produces a directory listing' means the mythweb.conf is not being loaded properly |
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| [01:21:36] | wagnerrp: | the mythweb httpd.conf include |
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| [01:22:17] | wagnerrp: | whether though vserver, or by editing the httpd.conf directly, include that file |
| [01:22:26] | lumak: | I thought that too and as a test, attempted to put everything directly at the end of httpd.conf |
| [01:22:37] | wagnerrp: | make sure its edited such that the paths are all correct |
| [01:22:56] | lumak: | The proper way is to use an "Include /path/to/mythweb.conf" correct? |
| [01:23:03] | wagnerrp: | because as it stands apache has not been told what it is supposed to do with that folder |
| [01:23:05] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:23:46] | lumak: | something must be wrong with my directory references... |
| [01:24:26] | Dagmar: | It's like maybe 100 lines into the mythweb readme where it says to put the mythweb.conf where Apache can see it |
| [01:24:43] | justinh: | how the hell can scan work & yet tzap etc won't? weird |
| [01:24:50] | Dagmar: | Wait, not even a readme, the 'INSTALL' file |
| [01:24:55] | lumak: | most definitely is |
| [01:26:00] | Dagmar: | Now you get to deal with an onerous issue of Pat's |
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| [01:26:12] | Dagmar: | He has this thing against making scripts actually look for possible third-party hooks |
| [01:26:19] | Dagmar: | Gimme a minute here and and I'll pastebin something |
| [01:26:19] | Seventoes: | anyone have lirc working with zsnes? |
| [01:26:55] | Seventoes: | can't seem to figure out how to get my remote to be able to exit zsnes |
| [01:26:58] | lumak: | that was the other thing I figured I was missing |
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| [01:27:36] | Dagmar: | lumak: Right so... http://pastebin.com/d11bd44ce |
| [01:27:39] | Dagmar: | Note that can't be used as-is |
| [01:27:53] | Dagmar: | It's just a raw pastebin of the patch I apply to a more slimmed-down build of Apache here |
| [01:28:20] | Dagmar: | But basically, you replace @rel_sysconfdir@ with "/etc" and add that ltitle stanza somewhere in your httpd.conf |
| [01:28:44] | Dagmar: | er "/etc/httpd" |
| [01:29:03] | Dagmar: | Then you can plop mythweb.conf into /etc/httpd/conf.d and restart apache |
| [01:29:09] | Dagmar: | You will notice a LOT more functionality |
| [01:29:41] | Dagmar: | If you're wondering why I'm a little grump it's because I've spent half of today working up new builds of this crap for Slack 13 |
| [01:29:48] | Dagmar: | ...and Pat's Qt build has got me pisssed off _again_ |
| [01:30:05] | lumak: | ... I would have thought that placing it in /etc/httpd/extra/mythweb.conf and putting "Include /that" in to httpd.conf would have been enough |
| [01:30:10] | Dagmar: | I want to burn /usr/lib/qt/bin in effigy here |
| [01:30:14] | Dagmar: | With acid |
| [01:30:32] | antgel: | hmm. WTF is dbus-daemon using /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0? |
| [01:30:40] | lumak: | I'm assuming the MythWeb stuff under /var/www/htdocs/mythweb is attempting to access things under conf.d? |
| [01:30:46] | Dagmar: | lemak: You presume it actually read it. If it did, and you edited mythweb.conf in the 1–2 places, it would work |
| [01:31:05] | Dagmar: | That it didn't even try to run mythweb.conf as the index file is a telltale that you missed something and Apache didn't even read your file |
| [01:31:19] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [01:31:35] | Dagmar: | The file in /etc/httpd/conf.d is *just* for Apache to read |
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| [01:32:32] | Dagmar: | That file tells is that mythweb.php IS the index file, that PHP files are executable, the works |
| [01:32:34] | lumak: | Messing with slackware, you have to have a keen eye for what is distro specific and what you have to fudge. |
| [01:32:44] | Dagmar: | Not really. |
| [01:32:57] | Dagmar: | This will sound mean, but basically you just _have_ to know what you're doing. |
| [01:33:15] | Dagmar: | If you _don't_ you run into things like Apache not taking the new directives. |
| [01:33:33] | Dagmar: | ...and I do mean know, not merely "know of" or "have an idea about" |
| [01:33:38] | Dagmar: | It's not forgiving. |
| [01:35:05] | antgel: | PROGRESS \o/ |
| [01:36:27] | antgel: | ah. scrap ^^ |
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| [01:37:22] | antgel: | i need an Astra satellite guru, i think |
| [01:38:41] | iamlindoro: | They're asleep |
| [01:38:45] | Dagmar: | I seriously want to stab someone at Nokia right now tho |
| [01:38:54] | Dagmar: | Seriously, 736Mb for a toolkit? |
| [01:38:57] | antgel: | would appear that my DVB-S scans are picking up 2A and 2B, but nothing from 2D |
| [01:38:59] | Dagmar: | That's madness |
| [01:39:19] | antgel: | iamlindoro: they hang around here at times? jesus, i just saw the time, i should sleep as well |
| [01:39:45] | iamlindoro: | antgel, european users tend to be here during Euro daylight and evening hours |
| [01:39:46] | wagnerrp: | gpxe... i hate you |
| [01:39:56] | Dagmar: | Isn't it well _past_ the "wee" hours of the morning under where that sat provider hangs? |
| [01:40:13] | antgel: | iamlindoro: well, it is evening. in a 2am-type way. 'night all |
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| [01:41:39] | lumak: | Bah something must still be wrong... |
| [01:42:04] | Dagmar: | Ah but progress has been made, no? |
| [01:42:26] | Dagmar: | You can go to the mythweb\ directory in your browser and it at least _tries_ to run something, right? |
| [01:42:40] | Dagmar: | If it's still giving you a list of files we'll just dig deeper into Apache |
| [01:42:58] | lumak: | no.. still displays a directory tree |
| [01:43:12] | Dagmar: | Okay. so you definitely killed and restarted apache, right? |
| [01:43:14] | lumak: | I don't need to set a new DocumentRoot do I? |
| [01:43:18] | Dagmar: | Oh no |
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| [01:43:57] | Dagmar: | the custom build of apache I made here I changed _very_ little. I basically made it follow the exact same things Pat did for Slacwkare's package, putting all the files in the same place, and just added that quick patch so that it could accept mythweb in a "drop-in" kind of way |
| [01:44:00] | lumak: | I also have RewriteBase on and set to /mythweb |
| [01:44:11] | Dagmar: | I'm trying to think of a quick test to do... |
| [01:44:21] | Dagmar: | What are you doing with that directive? |
| [01:44:35] | lumak: | I tried both with and without |
| [01:44:54] | lumak: | I installed mythweb to a sub directory of htdocs |
| [01:45:28] | Dagmar: | Okay. Let's start from the top again then... |
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| [01:45:48] | Dagmar: | First thing to check is /etc/httpd/httpd.conf. You should have something very much like "Include /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf" down at the bottom of it |
| [01:46:06] | lumak: | got that and the mythweb.conf is in place |
| [01:46:43] | lumak: | mythweb.conf points to /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/data and the main bulk to /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
| [01:47:48] | lumak: | I enabled the authentication on |
| [01:48:13] | wagnerrp: | yes... gpxe, i hate you |
| [01:48:29] | lumak: | UGH... hold on |
| [01:48:45] | wagnerrp: | i had to zero out a large chunk of disk before it would 'fail' booting, and let me boot off the dvd drive with iscsi still initialized |
| [01:49:35] | lumak: | ok not like that made any difference... the password file was pointing to the wrong file |
| [01:49:51] | lumak: | it obviously isn't accessing any of my settings in the fist place |
| [01:50:04] | Dagmar: | lumak: There's an easier way to do the rewrite, once you've got apache properly crawling that directory |
| [01:50:10] | Dagmar: | http://pastebin.ca/1652405 |
| [01:50:44] | Dagmar: | lumak: No symlinks |
| [01:50:52] | Dagmar: | Many things will refuse to follow a symlink |
| [01:51:15] | Dagmar: | Plus, you'll have to edit mythweb.conf a bit anyway so a symlink could cause you grief later if something (likely you) overwrites it |
| [01:51:26] | Dagmar: | copy mythweb.conf into /etc/httpd/conf.d |
| [01:51:33] | lumak: | did that |
| [01:51:38] | Dagmar: | World-readable is fine, you don't have to chown it to apache or anything like that |
| [01:51:55] | lumak: | simlinks are turned on but all the files are physically at /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
| [01:52:37] | lumak: | ya know... I think I know what I may have done |
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| [01:53:43] | Dagmar: | Symlinks being on or not has nothing to do with how apache reads it's config file |
| [01:54:41] | lumak: | should .php files be executable? |
| [01:55:37] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [01:55:46] | Dagmar: | lumak: http://pastebin.ca/1652411 <-- should answer that question |
| [01:55:58] | wagnerrp: | they get run by apache's internal interpreter |
| [01:56:24] | Dagmar: | There's only certain contexts in which apache cares a fig about the executable bit on files and this is definitely not one |
| [01:56:25] | Cyber-Dogg: | so... I installed mythtv from apt on ubuntu 9.10 |
| [01:56:34] | Cyber-Dogg: | I think it's broken when it comes to VDPAU |
| [01:56:52] | Cyber-Dogg: | it's .22 |
| [01:57:04] | Dagmar: | ...and it doesn't have VDPAU support compiled in. |
| [01:57:08] | Dagmar: | You explained this to us earlier. |
| [01:57:21] | Cyber-Dogg: | right... but it claims that it does |
| [01:57:35] | Cyber-Dogg: | using_vdpau |
| [01:57:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | is in mythbackend --version |
| [01:58:19] | Dagmar: | So teach the backend how to play videos and you're set |
| [01:58:32] | Cyber-Dogg: | what do you mean? |
| [01:59:01] | tank-man: | he means you should be looking at the frontend |
| [01:59:01] | Dagmar: | I mean it doesn't matter what flags the backend has or doesn't have for playback unless you're using the backend for playback |
| [01:59:15] | Dagmar: | ...which you can't do. |
| [01:59:17] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL |
| [01:59:20] | Dagmar: | You are utterly looking in the wrong place. |
| [01:59:34] | Dagmar: | If the frontend doesn't have support for VDPAU, take it at it's word |
| [01:59:37] | Cyber-Dogg: | frontend has it too ;-) |
| [01:59:56] | Dagmar: | Okay so pastebin exactly what it's saying about VDPAU when it fails then |
| [01:59:56] | lumak: | bah ... well thanks everybody for your help... I think I'm calling it quits for now and will retry tomorrow |
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| [02:00:33] | lumak: | Thanks Dagmar |
| [02:00:58] | Cyber-Dogg: | http://pastebin.ca/1652416 |
| [02:01:01] | Dagmar: | lumak: If I see you again with any luck i'll have remembered the end of the URL that makes Apache cough up it's "real" config |
| [02:01:17] | Cyber-Dogg: | that has my mythfrontend --version on it and the tail of the mythfrontend.log |
| [02:01:21] | Dagmar: | server-status\ or server-info\ but one of the two requites a config file diddle to make happen |
| [02:01:36] | lumak: | later |
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| [02:01:58] | Cyber-Dogg: | BTW... that particular error was induced by my trying to play an h264 file from videos |
| [02:02:01] | Dagmar: | Cyber-Dogg: Which nvidia driver did you install? |
| [02:02:05] | Cyber-Dogg: | 185 |
| [02:02:16] | Dagmar: | Hmm... which nvidia _card_ do you have? |
| [02:02:21] | Cyber-Dogg: | I tested the h264 file with mplayer first and VDPAU works with it |
| [02:02:26] | Cyber-Dogg: | it's an onboard |
| [02:03:35] | tank-man: | does your onboard video card support VDPAU? |
| [02:03:38] | Cyber-Dogg: | 8200 chipset |
| [02:03:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | nvidia |
| [02:03:56] | Cyber-Dogg: | yes and I tested it with mplayer and it worked there |
| [02:04:08] | Dagmar: | mplayer silently failed on it I suspect |
| [02:04:10] | Cyber-Dogg: | did vdpau for the output and my cpu usage was only 2% as well |
| [02:04:37] | Cyber-Dogg: | and that was fluctuating even... 0 to 2% |
| [02:04:52] | Cyber-Dogg: | so what kind of test would be sufficient? |
| [02:04:58] | Cyber-Dogg: | to verify that VDPAU works? |
| [02:05:05] | Cyber-Dogg: | outside of mythtv I mean |
| [02:05:12] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp would know but I suspect this might be some of the "partial support" in the 8200/8400's |
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| [02:05:43] | Dagmar: | If you were playing back an h.264 file and it was in the single digits for CPU usage, you either have a Cray, some serious rootkit action, or a working VDPAU |
| [02:05:53] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL |
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| [02:06:03] | Dagmar: | ...or an movie stream sixteen pixels wide and nine pixels high |
| [02:06:10] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL |
| [02:06:14] | Cyber-Dogg: | nah... it was pretty nice file |
| [02:06:51] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, you forgot quantum computing :P |
| [02:07:01] | Dagmar: | Running the frontend with -v all might be a little spammy but migh also reveal something more useful |
| [02:07:05] | Dagmar: | Althought... |
| [02:07:12] | Cyber-Dogg: | if you're curious... http://samples.mplayerhq.hu.nyud.net/V-codecs . . . 00kbits.h264 |
| [02:07:18] | Cyber-Dogg: | that's the file I tested with |
| [02:07:18] | Dagmar: | Check to make sure the Playback Profile isn't using isn't insane |
| [02:07:45] | Cyber-Dogg: | I made my own profile, no deinterlacing |
| [02:07:47] | Cyber-Dogg: | just vdpau |
| [02:07:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | for everything >= 0 |
| [02:08:06] | Cyber-Dogg: | i'll do a -v all... see what it gives me |
| [02:08:26] | Cyber-Dogg: | i'm up for anything at this point :-) |
| [02:08:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | WTF!!! |
| [02:08:50] | Cyber-Dogg: | I think theres a permission issue of some kind |
| [02:09:03] | [R]: | no deinterlacing? |
| [02:09:08] | [R]: | yopu like watching interlaced content? |
| [02:09:28] | Cyber-Dogg: | I was going to simple setup at this point |
| [02:09:29] | Dagmar: | [R]: If his file is progressive it won't matter |
| [02:11:43] | OpenMedia: | Anyone here using GT210 or GT220 nvidia cards with VDPAU? |
| [02:12:57] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok so this is interesting... |
| [02:13:02] | Cyber-Dogg: | that file actually worked this time... |
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| [02:13:56] | fritz3000g: | Hi there. Has anyone figured out how to reconfigure xserver in Karmic? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work for me. |
| [02:14:06] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar, both the 8200 and 8400 get full h264 support |
| [02:14:10] | fritz3000g: | by which I mean it doesn't do anything at a-- just goes to the next line. |
| [02:14:20] | Cyber-Dogg: | wagnerrp: what about mpeg? |
| [02:14:22] | Cyber-Dogg: | mpeg2? |
| [02:14:28] | wagnerrp: | and mpeg2 |
| [02:14:32] | wagnerrp: | and mpeg1 |
| [02:14:46] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok... the videos I'm having problems with are fromm my STB firewire |
| [02:14:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | they play without VDPAU but not with |
| [02:14:58] | wagnerrp: | and as long as youre using drivers from the last six months, you get VC1 as well |
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| [02:16:32] | Dagmar: | only thing I can figure is to check to make sure the drivers _actually_ took hold |
| [02:16:52] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok... |
| [02:16:55] | Cyber-Dogg: | so it's owkring |
| [02:17:04] | Cyber-Dogg: | if I go to the console and run it as my user it works |
| [02:17:15] | Cyber-Dogg: | but when it runs at boot up (as mythtv I assume) it doesn't |
| [02:17:20] | Cyber-Dogg: | so permissions then? |
| [02:17:26] | Dagmar: | Probably |
| [02:17:31] | Cyber-Dogg: | and how would I address that for this? |
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| [02:17:36] | Dagmar: | Sounds like it's tied to something from pam_console support |
| [02:17:39] | Cyber-Dogg: | not sure where the files that are involved are |
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| [02:17:50] | Dagmar: | Get a log of it failing |
| [02:17:55] | Cyber-Dogg: | k |
| [02:17:56] | Cyber-Dogg: | -v all? |
| [02:17:59] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [02:18:10] | Cyber-Dogg: | k give me a minute |
| [02:18:31] | Dagmar: | If it mentions something specific and DRI-related that's failing we know what to poke at |
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| [02:19:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL... ok, it seems to be working in a ll cases now... |
| [02:19:32] | Led-Hed: | I need to get a new Tunner card (SDTV) any recomendations? |
| [02:19:38] | Cyber-Dogg: | not ging to look a gift horse in the mouth! |
| [02:19:40] | wagnerrp: | PVR150 or 500 |
| [02:19:41] | Dagmar: | Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [02:19:48] | Cyber-Dogg: | so... deinterlacing... which option should I use? |
| [02:19:53] | Led-Hed: | Something similar in function to the PVR-250 |
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| [02:20:04] | Led-Hed: | Dagmar, are they still available? |
| [02:20:16] | wagnerrp: | identical in function to the 250 |
| [02:20:27] | wagnerrp: | not still manufactured for sale in the US |
| [02:20:33] | wagnerrp: | but still available on ebay and such |
| [02:20:35] | Cyber-Dogg: | hmm... n/m I just used VDPAU high quality and that works now |
| [02:20:46] | Cyber-Dogg: | nice... 11% CPU |
| [02:20:48] | Cyber-Dogg: | thanks! |
| [02:21:25] | Dagmar: | Led-Hed: Here and there. Mainly through ebay and discount stores |
| [02:21:27] | Led-Hed: | anything newer that is supported my MythTV? Was looking on Newegg and saw the HVR-1250 |
| [02:21:54] | wagnerrp: | 1250 is a framegrabber, and analog doesnt work anyway |
| [02:22:07] | wagnerrp: | the only currently-in-production option is the 1600 |
| [02:22:26] | wagnerrp: | and the 1800... maybe... in the future... |
| [02:22:35] | Dagmar: | That really needs to be on the wiki somewhere |
| [02:22:42] | wagnerrp: | it works under linux, but there is some driver issue preventing its use with mythtv |
| [02:24:03] | Cyber-Dogg: | man I'm happy... |
| [02:24:05] | Cyber-Dogg: | thanks guys! |
| [02:24:54] | Led-Hed: | thanks for the info. I gues I'll start looking for a 150 |
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| [02:26:26] | Dagmar: | If someone wants significantly more than $50 for it, they're screwing you |
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| [02:29:02] | bobbies: | I'm running .21 and looking to add tv database support. I just finished the tmdb.pl fix and now I can't get data for TV shows that I've got. |
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| [02:31:03] | iamlindoro: | tvdb will not work with .21 |
| [02:31:15] | iamlindoro: | it uses a grabber script format incompatible with .21's MythVideo |
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| [02:31:27] | iamlindoro: | and .21 doesn't have the necessary DB information to be able to feed it |
| [02:31:39] | iamlindoro: | tvdb is .22 and higher only |
| [02:32:57] | wagnerrp: | not to mention tv data is of limited use without the season/episode data 0.22 uses |
| [02:33:43] | iamlindoro: | yep, and if you try to shoehorn it in you will end up with DB information that breaks grabber operation in .22 |
| [02:33:57] | iamlindoro: | ie if you cram it all into title, then you will have to clear all your metadata once you go to .22 |
| [02:34:37] | wagnerrp: | you run the filename processor on old titles during a schema update now? |
| [02:34:48] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [02:34:58] | wagnerrp: | so then you have to rescan regardless |
| [02:35:08] | iamlindoro: | if you want the grabber to work, yes |
| [02:35:31] | wagnerrp: | so its the same behavior, you arent breaking anything |
| [02:35:44] | wagnerrp: | you just have a lot of effort gone to waste |
| [02:35:54] | iamlindoro: | sort of |
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| [02:38:00] | iamlindoro: | so SyFyllis is cashing in on the "V" frenzy and running the miniseries this weekend |
| [02:38:39] | wagnerrp: | right now? or this upcoming weekend? |
| [02:38:53] | wagnerrp: | right now it seems... |
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| [02:39:35] | iamlindoro: | now, yeah |
| [02:40:01] | wagnerrp: | looks like its all day tomorrow and tuesday as well |
| [02:40:39] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get my PVRs working again |
| [02:45:53] | Dagmar: | They were showing it all damn day |
| [02:46:10] | Dagmar: | I think they want to present a contrast for the viewwers |
| [02:46:29] | Dagmar: | ...so that even if the plot is still ass, the production value on the new show will be so high everyone will think it's great compared to the old one. |
| [02:46:57] | wagnerrp: | but its ABC vs. NBC |
| [02:47:11] | wagnerrp: | why would scifi want to promote a show on another network |
| [02:49:48] | Dagmar: | Because like an unpopular but pretty teenage girl, they're not confident enough in their own skills so they make an easy date |
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| [02:52:15] | bobbies: | sorry I was away doing laundry, so there is no way to get TV data in .21 after applying the tmdb fix? |
| [02:52:34] | wagnerrp: | tmdb is movies |
| [02:52:41] | wagnerrp: | and was a patch for imdb, which was movies |
| [02:52:44] | bobbies: | right I know |
| [02:52:52] | wagnerrp: | there was never any previous official way to get tv data into 0.21 |
| [02:52:58] | bobbies: | yes but imdb also had tv data |
| [02:52:59] | wagnerrp: | there was a tvrage grabber |
| [02:53:08] | wagnerrp: | and tmdb has some tv data as well |
| [02:53:38] | bobbies: | apparently nothing that I have :) |
| [02:54:48] | iamlindoro: | Again, you don't have a DB strucure that supports the required fields anyway, so you don't want to do that anyway |
| [02:55:18] | bobbies: | ok if I can't get tvdb working in .21 can someone help me get the covers downloading from tmdb? |
| [02:57:09] | bobbies: | all the other data is grabbed just fine but the covers do not |
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| [03:00:08] | bobbies: | I've checked that the dir that mythvideo specifies in the setup window exists (it didn't) and that the permissions are correct (mythtv:mythtv) |
| [03:01:10] | brad2: | has anyone tried playing .mp4 files on the internal player? I'm trying to convert some of my movies to mp4 for an ipod, and thought I might as well stick them in mythtv as well |
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| [03:01:34] | brad2: | the mp4's with stereo play perfectly, but the ones with 5.1sound, the sound doesn't seem to work |
| [03:01:36] | wagnerrp: | why not use a more capable format for mythtv? |
| [03:01:50] | brad2: | i tested it in xine, and seems to play fine |
| [03:02:01] | brad2: | wagnerr: iwanted to be able to use in both myth and ipod? Is there a better format? |
| [03:02:22] | wagnerrp: | either youre going to be storing files far larger than your ipod can use |
| [03:02:25] | bfleming: | hi all, hoping to get some advice on nvidia drivers |
| [03:02:37] | wagnerrp: | or youre drastically reducing the quality of the original file in mythtv |
| [03:02:49] | bfleming: | every time I yum update my fedora (now 11) I struggle with getting the video going again |
| [03:02:55] | bfleming: | now I am stuck totally |
| [03:03:21] | [R]: | use the akmod |
| [03:03:22] | bfleming: | I have tried kmods from rpmfusion, kmdl from atrpms, and downloading from nvidia |
| [03:03:23] | brad2: | wagnerr: what do most people store there dvd's in, to use with myth? |
| [03:03:26] | bfleming: | in all cases I get |
| [03:03:41] | bfleming: | FATAL: Module nvidia_185_18_36 not found using modprobe |
| [03:03:56] | bfleming: | o |
| [03:04:00] | bfleming: | hmmm |
| [03:04:04] | [R]: | bfleming: well if you've used stuf from atrpms or from the nvidia site |
| [03:04:08] | [R]: | you've most likely screwed up your system |
| [03:04:13] | [R]: | all you need is the akmod from rpmfusion |
| [03:04:46] | wagnerrp: | most people usually use ISOs, or lossless mpeg2, or transcode to xvid/h264 |
| [03:04:50] | bfleming: | ... /etc/modules.conf had been hardcoded for 185_18_36 |
| [03:04:58] | wagnerrp: | but in all cases, they keep the original resolution |
| [03:05:06] | bfleming: | I didn't do it |
| [03:05:09] | bfleming: | o well |
| [03:05:13] | wagnerrp: | rather than drop to the half D1 iphone screen |
| [03:05:19] | wagnerrp: | or the far smaller ipod screen |
| [03:06:02] | brad2: | hmmmm, silly me i thought mp4 WAS h264. dumb. |
| [03:06:10] | bfleming: | maybe the nvidia installer (from their site) did it the last time ... |
| [03:06:11] | wagnerrp: | mp4 is just a container |
| [03:06:23] | wagnerrp: | no different from avi, mkv, or mpg |
| [03:06:26] | brad2: | yeah I am keeping my .mp4 file sizes huge (about 1gb each), but i have tons of space on my ipod touch, and only use it on airplanes when travelling |
| [03:07:00] | wagnerrp: | however mpeg4 defines multiple other formats, including one of audio and two of video |
| [03:07:23] | brad2: | wagnerrp: when people convert their dvd's to whatever respective format, do most people use handbrake? or is there a better program? |
| [03:07:25] | wagnerrp: | mp4 is part of mpeg4, but they are not equivalent |
| [03:07:53] | brad2: | this is what ffmpeg says i'm storing video as: Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 608x256 [PAR 1:1 DAR 19:8], 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc |
| [03:07:55] | wagnerrp: | that, or use MTD in mythtv |
| [03:07:59] | brad2: | whatever that means ;) |
| [03:08:12] | iamlindoro: | it means divx/xvid |
| [03:08:29] | wagnerrp: | mpeg4 part 2, specifically |
| [03:08:38] | wagnerrp: | divx and xvid are both implementations of mpeg4 part 2 |
| [03:08:55] | wagnerrp: | as is the basic mpeg4 encoder in ffmpeg |
| [03:09:52] | brad2: | so the 5.1 sound for this mp4 file, likely isn't going to work in the internal player? Or it's user-error? :) |
| [03:10:11] | wagnerrp: | 5.1 ac3 and aac both work just fine in the internal player |
| [03:10:58] | brad2: | okay, thanks for the confirmation, will keep playing with it |
| [03:12:40] | wagnerrp: | i would advise when you encode next time, that you NOT resample to 25fps |
| [03:13:05] | wagnerrp: | on this continent, 24fps is the norm |
| [03:13:36] | Dagmar: | Ignore the fractional .976 stuff |
| [03:13:38] | brad2: | okay, any other tips? I just grabbed some guys handbrake script of the net, and was playing around with it |
| [03:13:39] | Dagmar: | It's nonsense |
| [03:13:55] | brad2: | obviously i haven't hit the competence stage, still in the testing stage |
| [03:13:55] | Dagmar: | Oh, let handbrake's profiles do whatever they want |
| [03:13:58] | Dagmar: | Don't second-guess them |
| [03:14:09] | Dagmar: | They are much smarter than the average bear |
| [03:14:15] | wagnerrp: | dont second guess some random person on the internet? |
| [03:14:23] | wagnerrp: | this isnt a packaged handbrake script |
| [03:14:42] | Dagmar: | I didn't say anything about J. Random Crackhead's script |
| [03:15:06] | brad2: | J Random Crackhead's |
| [03:15:06] | brad2: | haha |
| [03:15:22] | brad2: | i will check out the handbrake profiles, thanks dagmar |
| [03:15:59] | Dagmar: | I nearly drove myself nuts trying to figure out how the hell it was properly de-telecining some DVDs |
| [03:16:18] | wagnerrp: | you want something that does as little as possible to the video |
| [03:16:36] | Dagmar: | Handbrake pretty much qualifies for that from what I can tell |
| [03:16:41] | wagnerrp: | crop, optionally resize vertically, pulldown if necessary |
| [03:16:54] | wagnerrp: | and youre probably looking at a video bitrate of ~1500kbps for h264 |
| [03:18:27] | wagnerrp: | when i let x264 do its own thing, thats about what it averages |
| [03:19:07] | wagnerrp: | somewhere between 1100–1800 depending on the grain in the film, and the resolution after cropping/resizing |
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| [03:20:32] | wagnerrp: | much higher and youre wasting data for no calculable gain, much lower and you start having a perceivable loss in quality |
| [03:21:31] | brad2: | okay giving it a go with handbrake's default ipodtouch profile. exciting! |
| [03:21:51] | brad2: | wagnerr: thanks for all the detailed info, i really appreciate it |
| [03:22:21] | wagnerrp: | as i said, the ipodtouch profile is going to resize to half-D1, and at a very reduced bitrate |
| [03:22:44] | wagnerrp: | which youre not going to want to use in mythtv |
| [03:22:53] | wagnerrp: | so just be aware of that |
| [03:23:36] | brad2: | doh, you are right |
| [03:23:39] | brad2: | going to redo, haha |
| [03:23:56] | bobbies: | I've set the permissions to 777 but I am still not getting any movies covers |
| [03:24:10] | wagnerrp: | what movie, specifically? |
| [03:25:00] | bobbies: | every movie actually, and I've verified that tmdb has the covers for the movies |
| [03:25:11] | bobbies: | wall-e for one |
| [03:25:45] | brad2: | you were right, the default ipod profile was much smaller than i wanted, but it did handle the audio properly. Time to scrap J Random Crackhead's script :> |
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| [03:28:42] | bobbies: | I noticed that in the setup that myth still says it's using imdb even though I ran the tmdb update with no errors is it possible the covers are being stored somewhere else other than /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideos? |
| [03:29:07] | wagnerrp: | if thats where you told mythtv to store it, thats where it will store it |
| [03:29:19] | wagnerrp: | the grabber script just returns a URL, not an image |
| [03:31:56] | BobLfoot: | Ok – I've read three different wikis and searched with google until I'm crosseyed. What repos contain mythtv for Centos 5? |
| [03:32:16] | wagnerrp: | you should probably reconsider running mythtv on centos |
| [03:32:51] | bobbies: | hmm, is there a log that I can see what tmdb is doing? |
| [03:33:18] | wagnerrp: | bobbies: you can crank up the verbosity on the frontend, and it will give you an idea of what it is doing |
| [03:33:27] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrrp : you know some cons I don't? |
| [03:33:44] | bobbies: | wagnerrp: how do I do that? |
| [03:33:56] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: the concept of it |
| [03:34:03] | wagnerrp: | bobbies: 'mythfrontend -v all' |
| [03:34:35] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: specifically, the fact that they continue to use 2.6.18 makes it a robust, stable platform very well suited for a server |
| [03:34:43] | bobbies: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [03:34:51] | wagnerrp: | while at the same time, makes it very ill suited for something like mythtv |
| [03:35:03] | wagnerrp: | which wants modern kernel functions, modern drivers, etc... |
| [03:35:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv itself will probably function fine |
| [03:35:20] | wagnerrp: | but you will have very limited tuner support |
| [03:35:24] | iamlindoro: | also, python too old for grabbers |
| [03:35:37] | wagnerrp: | there is that too... theyre still using 2.4? 2.2? |
| [03:35:51] | iamlindoro: | 2.2 I think |
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| [03:36:44] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ticket #7476... thanks for the commit to Graphite, but I had a type in the report... |
| [03:36:56] | skd5aner: | I put Terra, but should have put Metallurgy |
| [03:37:07] | skd5aner: | not sure if you'd like to reopen and fix that as well? |
| [03:37:32] | skd5aner: | or pass it to stewart? |
| [03:37:43] | iamlindoro: | I'll handle it |
| [03:38:29] | BobLfoot: | So better to test it on my F12Beta system then. |
| [03:38:34] | skd5aner: | k – thx |
| [03:39:02] | skd5aner: | go figure, I had a typo trying to type typo :P |
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| [03:40:33] | brad2: | bob: myth seems pretty straightforward for me on F11 |
| [03:40:58] | skd5aner: | alright good night all |
| [03:42:08] | BobLfoot: | brad2 : that's good to know just hope using network storage doesn't cause me trouble. The CentOS system has the terrabyte of drive space while the F12 box is onyl 16Gig and half of that is OS space consumed. |
| [03:42:11] | skd5aner: | checked commits – that was fast :) |
| [03:42:53] | bobbies: | does this make sense to anyone http://www.pastebin.org/50128 It's the log for the tmdb problem I'm experiencing |
| [03:42:56] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: shouldnt... i have a combined fe/be and a fe both running diskless |
| [03:43:27] | iamlindoro: | Heh... makes sense to me |
| [03:43:38] | wagnerrp: | should he be using the recent tmdb? or an older revision? |
| [03:43:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, You need to amend your tmdb.pl backport instructions for a revision before I rewrote the grabber format |
| [03:43:46] | brad2: | wagnerrp: what does your diskless frontend look like? really small? |
| [03:43:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, exactly |
| [03:44:04] | wagnerrp: | brad2: both standard mid-size beige boxes |
| [03:44:06] | BobLfoot: | thanks warnererrp – play time with F12 now I guess – especially since C5.4 crashes on dependancies. |
| [03:44:15] | wagnerrp: | one hidden under the floor, one hidden behind a TV cabiner |
| [03:44:18] | wagnerrp: | cabinet |
| [03:45:03] | brad2: | what made you decide to go diskless? Any advantage other than not having to pay for a disk? :) |
| [03:45:16] | wagnerrp: | just the latter |
| [03:45:27] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp : sorry I've been mistyping your nick, poor old eyesight. |
| [03:45:42] | wagnerrp: | didnt feel like shelling out $50/disk as my old disks started dying |
| [03:46:00] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: no matter... your client doesnt have tab completion? |
| [03:46:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: will do |
| [03:46:31] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: dooh – I'm still learning all thr tricks of irssi |
| [03:46:32] | wagnerrp: | brad2: plus with the way i have it set up, i have one single image that i use for both boxes |
| [03:46:57] | iamlindoro: | bobbies, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/22699/branc . . . ipts/tmdb.pl |
| [03:47:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery, ^^ That's probably easier |
| [03:47:18] | brad2: | wagnerrp: how does that work, you boot off the network? |
| [03:47:22] | wagnerrp: | i update the one image, clone it off for each of the boxes, and they automatically differentiate and run on their own |
| [03:47:29] | iamlindoro: | bobbies, copy down that file, overwrite the one you already copied in, make it executable, and it should work fine |
| [03:47:43] | iamlindoro: | or wait until sphery updates the page and follow the instructions again |
| [03:47:46] | bobbies: | +iamlindoro: even though Im running .21? |
| [03:47:49] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: one last question tonight – any preferences for desktop {gnome, kde, xfce, ...} when working with myth? |
| [03:47:50] | wagnerrp: | plus it lets me do things like snapshotting, revisioning, etc... |
| [03:48:04] | iamlindoro: | bobbies, yes |
| [03:48:05] | brad2: | wow sounds very cool, i will have to check it out at some point |
| [03:48:15] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: none, or something light like ratpoison or evilwm |
| [03:48:18] | bobbies: | +amlindoro: Thanks |
| [03:48:33] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: thanks and good day to all. |
| [03:48:43] | wagnerrp: | ive got a boot menu that lets me select from any of the last three boot images |
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| [03:48:55] | wagnerrp: | and for a while there, i could boot into an old 0.21-fixes install as well |
| [03:49:16] | wagnerrp: | all on a mirror, so i dont have to worry about failed disks |
| [03:49:16] | sphery: | done |
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| [03:49:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, that's what I was doing |
| [03:49:33] | brad2: | very neat |
| [03:49:33] | iamlindoro: | bobbies, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
| [03:49:38] | sphery: | bobbies: refresh the page and try again |
| [03:50:00] | sphery: | need to re-download and re-install |
| [03:50:01] | wagnerrp: | basically, it started out as 'im a cheap bastard student', but turned into ease of management |
| [03:51:18] | brad2: | wagnerr: i think i'm on the opposite end right now, i will throw money at problems to make them go away.. trying to get away from that by actually LEARNING myth and linux, instead of being a completely useless newb |
| [03:56:02] | ** Dagmar f**king faints. ** | |
| [03:56:12] | brad2: | wagnerr: hypothetically with your method, you could take a work laptop, network boot it from the backend, and then play myth on it? |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | it would take a couple minutes to set up an overlay |
| [03:57:02] | wagnerrp: | but i should be good for any x86_64 system |
| [03:57:15] | wagnerrp: | assuming driver support |
| [03:57:21] | brad2: | very cool |
| [03:57:46] | wagnerrp: | it would have to be hardwired |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | there is no network boot for wireless cards |
| [03:58:06] | brad2: | makes sense |
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| [04:04:54] | Dagmar: | Quick, someone patent that |
| [04:13:00] | bobbies: | iamlindo: Thanks for the script update, it works perfectly now |
| [04:13:17] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [04:30:42] | wagnerrp: | eew... |
| [04:30:56] | wagnerrp: | speaking of evilwm, seems i have 18 instances running on one of my machines |
| [04:31:21] | wagnerrp: | i guess when it went into the X restart cycle, the wms never terminated |
| [04:36:08] | Dagmar: | it r evil |
| [04:36:41] | wagnerrp: | and theyre all pulling their share of full load |
| [04:38:46] | Dagmar: | Egads, so they're also egalitarian? |
| [04:38:49] | Dagmar: | Burn the machine! |
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| [04:52:09] | mzb: | I've had some success with fanart ... very nice ... but I've been unable to get it to show in recordings-ui on any theme |
| [04:52:42] | mzb: | how do I debug? (or is there a magic incantation?) |
| [04:54:16] | mzb: | I have run jamu -W, and art was downloaded (apparently) |
| [04:54:47] | mzb: | I've tried Graphite and a modified Blue Abstract |
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| [05:09:53] | mzb: | ah, local mounts |
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| [05:13:49] | mzb: | that's got it for the remote FE, local FE ... ah ... got it |
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| [05:16:38] | wagnerrp: | despite my best efforts, this boot system will still occasionally just up and fail, requiring a trip to the basement to hit the reset button |
| [05:16:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand it |
| [05:18:11] | wagnerrp: | and... a second trip to the basement when it reboots, and fails to pick up a share a second time |
| [05:18:38] | Dagmar: | Douns like a race condition |
| [05:18:42] | Dagmar: | er sounds like |
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| [05:22:06] | wagnerrp: | i need to sit a camera in front of the monitor the next couple times i reboot it |
| [05:22:14] | wagnerrp: | so i can actually tell where its failing |
| [05:22:34] | wagnerrp: | as it is, i just get text flying up the screen and then kernel panic |
| [05:22:50] | Dagmar: | Do you have a laptop and a nullmodem cable? |
| [05:22:58] | Dagmar: | I've done a serial console a couple of times to cheat that problem |
| [05:23:29] | wagnerrp: | i did pick up several serial-usb adapters, and have another computer sitting right next to it |
| [05:24:16] | wagnerrp: | the other option is just to do checks on each step in the initrd |
| [05:24:30] | wagnerrp: | and have busybox drop out to a shell the moment something goes wrong |
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| [05:25:19] | Dagmar: | I dont' think you can do a serial console effectively if it has to go over USB |
| [05:25:36] | tjcarter: | is there a myth setting for what channel to start the grid on? |
| [05:25:42] | Dagmar: | yep |
| [05:25:57] | wagnerrp: | serial on the bad machine, usb on the one thats online |
| [05:26:06] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Ah okay |
| [05:26:11] | wagnerrp: | however now that i think about it, NEITHER of them has serial ports |
| [05:26:15] | wagnerrp: | so scratch that plan |
| [05:26:19] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: where? =) |
| [05:26:28] | Dagmar: | I've still got two PCI serial cards left over from some order I made with newegg where they were doing them like packing materials |
| [05:26:42] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: "Somewhere in the frontend config menus" iirc |
| [05:27:38] | tjcarter: | I think I may have just found it |
| [05:28:04] | tjcarter: | I did--I looked right past it |
| [05:29:10] | tjcarter: | WGN is presently the only channel < 100 that isn't replicated in the 700 range, and the 700 range channels are digital |
| [05:29:26] | tjcarter: | I almost turned off WGN as a channel I receive ;) |
| [05:29:45] | Dagmar: | I turned CMT off over in SD |
| [05:29:57] | wagnerrp: | hey, so did i! |
| [05:30:17] | Dagmar: | WHen I was doing the channel scan at work to make sure all our stuff was working last week, I regretted that action |
| [05:30:41] | Dagmar: | There were some hot, scantily clad women gratuitously dancing around on the screen and I couldn't login to the Myth box at home to tell it to record it |
| [05:30:49] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:31:06] | Dagmar: | That'll teach me to be judgemental about programming |
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| [05:56:24] | ** cesman thinks bit torrent got a bum rap on tonight's 60 minutes ** | |
| [05:56:36] | [R]: | what did they say? |
| [05:56:44] | [R]: | its only used for nefarious purposes by evil-doers? |
| [05:56:54] | [R]: | it funds terrorism? |
| [05:59:33] | wagnerrp: | im trying to bring my old install back online to try to get my pvr150 working again |
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| [06:00:09] | wagnerrp: | took a dozen reboots to figure out i forgot to write up a udhcpc script when moving the initrd from static to dynamic |
| [06:00:37] | [R]: | OH YEAH |
| [06:00:41] | [R]: | TO CATCH A PREDATOR |
| [06:01:05] | wagnerrp: | inferring causes from errors showing up on screen for all of a quarter second is not trivial |
| [06:01:43] | wagnerrp: | someone needs to take a bite out of that guy's arm |
| [06:02:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean the cheaters guy got stabbed, they need to take it up a notch |
| [06:03:03] | wagnerrp: | ive heard they cannot prosecute people 'caught' on that show |
| [06:03:27] | [R]: | they say all the time all the people that went to jail from being on the show |
| [06:03:30] | [R]: | at the end of the show |
| [06:03:44] | [R]: | of course its usually like 10 days or something absurd like that |
| [06:03:58] | wagnerrp: | do they ever say anywhere that the show isnt a complete fabrication? |
| [06:04:15] | [R]: | they have to say it? |
| [06:04:21] | [R]: | they've been sued |
| [06:04:27] | [R]: | why would they be sued if it was false |
| [06:04:51] | wagnerrp: | publicity stunt |
| [06:04:56] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:05:02] | [R]: | well false or not |
| [06:05:04] | [R]: | i still love the show |
| [06:07:53] | wagnerrp: | ive got a friend who had to register |
| [06:08:13] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:08:44] | wagnerrp: | him and his girlfriend, too large an age difference |
| [06:08:50] | wagnerrp: | parents found out, got pissed |
| [06:08:52] | [R]: | oh |
| [06:08:55] | [R]: | snap |
| [06:09:05] | wagnerrp: | 2 years later, laws change, and its perfectly legal now |
| [06:09:08] | tjcarter: | ahh, now see that makes program finder MUCH faster |
| [06:09:12] | wagnerrp: | but hes still on the books |
| [06:09:25] | tjcarter: | I just went and deleted all the duplicate channels offered by comcast |
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| [06:09:41] | [R]: | but stuff like that is completely different |
| [06:09:43] | [R]: | than the guys on to catch a predator |
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| [06:09:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i know |
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| [06:23:19] | Dagmar: | I'd like to wind up on that show |
| [06:23:41] | Dagmar: | ...because I'm enough of a nut that I would _really_ come over with a Monopoly set with complete and total intentions of just playing monopoly to keep someoen from bein' bored. |
| [06:24:14] | [R]: | but you wodn't be on the show unless yo uactually said you wanted to have esx in the chat... and thats all that it takes |
| [06:24:33] | Dagmar: | Okay yeah that's true. My response to that would be "HAHA you're how old? Not gonna happen" |
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| [06:25:05] | Dagmar: | I'm just a little proactive about the obsessive ones since that fifteen year old got my address from someone at the radio station, and then actally showed up at my house in the middle of the afternoon |
| [06:25:08] | Dagmar: | Having skipped school |
| [06:25:25] | [R]: | wtf |
| [06:25:41] | Dagmar: | I was like "You know what? You're skipping school and at my apartment, I'm at serious risk. We're going somewhere good and freakin' public if you wanna hang out." |
| [06:25:47] | Dagmar: | Straight to Centennial Park we went |
| [06:26:16] | wagnerrp: | the old install is running... and the 150s work perfectly under 2.6.27-r7 |
| [06:26:24] | wagnerrp: | so what did i do wrong... |
| [06:26:57] | [R]: | Dagmar: isn't that "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" still? |
| [06:27:08] | Dagmar: | [R]: I didn't contribute to it |
| [06:27:13] | Dagmar: | It was clear she had something else in mind |
| [06:27:20] | Dagmar: | I completely derailed that crap |
| [06:27:59] | Dagmar: | There'd have been a WORLD of unpleasant questions had I reported anythign to anyone |
| [06:28:20] | Dagmar: | I knew who she was because she'd called the radio station about half a dozen times during my show |
| [06:28:23] | wagnerrp: | rather enterprising for a 15yr old though |
| [06:28:41] | Dagmar: | "Stalky" was my word for it at the time |
| [06:29:09] | wagnerrp: | shes going to be super-gluing other peoples body parts by the time shes 20 |
| [06:29:42] | Dagmar: | I don't know where she is now. HOPEFULLY she at least graduated |
| [06:29:57] | Dagmar: | She ain't stalkin' me anymore and that's fine |
| [06:30:18] | [R]: | omg this is disgusting... this guy is like 50 |
| [06:30:22] | Dagmar: | I didn't even know anyone at the radio station knew my home address |
| [06:30:36] | Dagmar: | She'd done it to other guys before, apparently they thought it was funny to loose her on me |
| [06:31:07] | wagnerrp: | does he look like a hedgehog? |
| [06:31:19] | Dagmar: | More importantly is he aware of her age |
| [06:31:29] | Dagmar: | I'd ask for photo ID |
| [06:31:30] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [06:31:33] | [R]: | of course he knows her age |
| [06:31:48] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't assume that |
| [06:32:04] | [R]: | "just be friends" |
| [06:32:06] | [R]: | haha |
| [06:32:12] | Dagmar: | I mena, they're putting him on the show and that would be one hell of defamation suit if they couldn't prove he was well aware of it |
| [06:33:54] | cesman: | [R]: it was a piece on movie priracy |
| [06:34:12] | [R]: | cesman: lame |
| [06:34:29] | [R]: | people were pirating movies long before bittorrent |
| [06:34:29] | wagnerrp: | arent there one or two commercial distribution programs that use torrent? |
| [06:34:36] | cesman: | [R]: the mouthpiece for the industry made it seem as it bit torrent was the tool for priracy |
| [06:34:50] | wagnerrp: | people were pirating movies back when napster was still live and kicking |
| [06:35:03] | [R]: | atleast with bittorrent you aren't giving money to the mob |
| [06:35:56] | justdave: | so I have a bunch of video files in MythVideo that have non-ascii filenames. Both viewing the filesystem and looking at the names in the database, I see them in the correct character set. Viewing it in MythVideo lists ? in place of all the non-ascii characters. Seems like this just started happening recently – anyone know what I might have accidentally kicked to make it not show unicode fonts in the browser? |
| [06:36:44] | [R]: | wow i'm stupid... i put the bw limit on d/l... instead of u/l |
| [06:38:12] | wagnerrp: | in diff, whats left arrow and whats right arror |
| [06:38:22] | wagnerrp: | first file is stuff taken out, second file is stuff put in? |
| [06:38:28] | justdave: | left arrow is a line that was removed, right arrow is a line that was added |
| [06:38:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you should use diff -u... its much easier to read |
| [06:38:55] | wagnerrp: | but from which file |
| [06:39:01] | wagnerrp: | the taken out of the first or second |
| [06:39:07] | justdave: | it should say at the begining of the diff |
| [06:39:15] | justdave: | --- or +++ line |
| [06:40:01] | justdave: | Google's finding me a bunch of posts about fixing unicode in MythVideo in 0.16 |
| [06:40:06] | justdave: | I suspect that's not applicable anymore :) |
| [06:42:00] | wagnerrp: | seems im just missing a bunch of tuner modules |
| [06:43:10] | wagnerrp: | dont know what i need... so ill just build 'em all |
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| [06:56:44] | wagnerrp: | ugh... why are you building the whole kernel... all that crap was already built |
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| [07:22:39] | wagnerrp: | 2 hours later, and all i can is 'the cards used to work' |
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| [07:30:16] | dansushi: | Anyone have any suggestions for HDTV cards that work well with linux and MythTV? |
| [07:30:35] | wagnerrp: | info needed |
| [07:31:03] | mangus580: | any of you guys tried MiniMyth? |
| [07:32:05] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: with memory stick easily available in the several GB range, its largely irrelevant any longer |
| [07:32:36] | mangus580: | understood... I am trying to network boot with it (mostly to say I can) |
| [07:33:28] | wagnerrp: | network boot with minimyth? or network boot in general? |
| [07:33:36] | mangus580: | with minimyth |
| [07:40:23] | dansushi: | does anyone here use pcHDTV's HD-5500? |
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| [08:01:41] | purefusion: | can mythtv frontend be used with a non-mythtv backend? |
| [08:02:06] | justinh: | nope |
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| [08:02:31] | purefusion: | how about using a virtual maching backend of mythtv (say on windows)? |
| [08:02:42] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
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| [08:03:16] | purefusion: | well the only computer with a tv card is my main machine |
| [08:03:26] | justinh: | that's the silliest idea I've heard all day. I've just got up, though |
| [08:03:28] | purefusion: | my HTPC has no room for a TV card |
| [08:03:39] | purefusion: | otherwise I'd move it |
| [08:03:52] | wagnerrp: | so running mythbackend in a VM on your windows machine with a tuner card is not going to do you any good |
| [08:04:00] | purefusion: | my attempt at moving to ubuntu full-time hasn't gone so well though |
| [08:04:21] | justinh: | with you there bro ;) |
| [08:04:24] | wagnerrp: | what do you already have in your HTPC that you cant fit a tuner card? |
| [08:04:42] | purefusion: | wifi with n-spec support |
| [08:04:58] | justinh: | there's the other thing |
| [08:05:09] | wagnerrp: | the 'wifi bad' thing? |
| [08:05:17] | wagnerrp: | thats still only one card |
| [08:05:35] | justinh: | 1 PCI slot, ftw! |
| [08:06:07] | purefusion: | wagnerrp: 0 PCI slots |
| [08:06:08] | justinh: | must be a via epia or something :D |
| [08:06:16] | wagnerrp: | you didnt intentionally go out and buy the smallest, most limiting board you could did you? |
| [08:06:54] | justinh: | why buck the trend? |
| [08:07:16] | purefusion: | Zotac ION D-E |
| [08:07:18] | wagnerrp: | must be talking about one of those zotacs |
| [08:07:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [08:07:23] | purefusion: | sweet board other than that limit |
| [08:07:36] | wagnerrp: | crappy board, halfway decent frontend if you like vdpau |
| [08:08:03] | justinh: | I'm not very struck with the latest kernel karmic ships with btw. my tuner card isn't working on it |
| [08:08:06] | wagnerrp: | you cant do anything with it, besides hide it somewhere |
| [08:08:41] | wagnerrp: | the idea is you buy a handful of those to act as frontends |
| [08:08:46] | purefusion: | http://bit.ly/zionde |
| [08:08:55] | wagnerrp: | and drop a normal PC somewhere in your basement/closet to act as the backend |
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| [08:09:05] | purefusion: | what's your beefs with that board anyway? |
| [08:09:18] | justinh: | Ion isn't a very beefy CPU |
| [08:09:26] | wagnerrp: | a backed needs expansion ability |
| [08:09:27] | justinh: | i.e. without using VDPAU it's good for FA |
| [08:09:28] | wagnerrp: | that has none |
| [08:09:37] | wagnerrp: | its a decent frontend if youre using vdpau |
| [08:09:37] | justinh: | and there's no exansion |
| [08:09:48] | justinh: | *expansion even |
| [08:10:02] | purefusion: | ah, right... well I don't need it as a backend as long as I get my main PC working |
| [08:10:15] | justinh: | you *could* get a USB tuner, but I don't trust those as far as I could throw one |
| [08:10:36] | wagnerrp: | thats what kormoc is doing, but at least hes throwing a decent processor behind his |
| [08:10:44] | justinh: | *A* whole TV tuner, anyway. you'll soon regret that |
| [08:11:12] | purefusion: | yeah, I don't see the need in going USB |
| [08:11:25] | wagnerrp: | but you bought a board with no PCI slots |
| [08:11:29] | purefusion: | besides, my TV card in my main machine has two lines in |
| [08:11:40] | wagnerrp: | and your main machine runs windows |
| [08:12:08] | purefusion: | well, my wife's MiniITX machine has a TV card, but it's Mini PCI not Mini PCI Express |
| [08:12:10] | justinh: | you mean it's a dual tuner board? |
| [08:12:12] | purefusion: | so it wouldn't fit |
| [08:12:35] | purefusion: | wagnerrp: windows for now... |
| [08:12:40] | wagnerrp: | dont you have any old PC guts laying about? |
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| [08:13:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv wants dedicated hardware anyway |
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| [08:13:06] | purefusion: | er, I have one... but it's like 10 years old haha |
| [08:13:13] | justinh: | so? that;ll work |
| [08:13:18] | purefusion: | it's a beast |
| [08:13:23] | justinh: | if you don't intend to do much transcoding |
| [08:13:30] | wagnerrp: | even if you did switch to ubuntu, a backend running on your desktop is far from ideal |
| [08:13:34] | justinh: | my backend is about that old |
| [08:13:40] | purefusion: | also... it has all old connections, so I have no decent sized drives for it |
| [08:13:45] | purefusion: | everything I have is sata |
| [08:13:53] | justinh: | PCI sata card for $ |
| [08:13:57] | wagnerrp: | buy a PCI controller card |
| [08:14:00] | justinh: | $notmuch :) |
| [08:14:02] | wagnerrp: | maybe $20 |
| [08:14:03] | justinh: | what I did |
| [08:14:18] | justinh: | athlon 800XP with 2x 1TB HDDs :D |
| [08:14:21] | purefusion: | my main machine is a Quad Core 3.06GHz with 8GB RAM... it can handle a backend |
| [08:14:28] | justinh: | 800XP? 2000XP |
| [08:14:30] | wagnerrp: | no, it cant |
| [08:14:37] | purefusion: | why not? |
| [08:14:38] | wagnerrp: | because it is your desktop |
| [08:14:47] | wagnerrp: | prone to you doing bad things on it |
| [08:14:47] | purefusion: | I don't use it when watching TV anyway |
| [08:14:59] | purefusion: | define 'bad things' |
| [08:15:04] | justinh: | what wagnerrp says is true |
| [08:15:08] | purefusion: | I can dedicate ram |
| [08:15:14] | purefusion: | couldn't I? |
| [08:15:18] | wagnerrp: | plug in usb drives which cause the machine to stall for several seconds |
| [08:15:18] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:15:26] | wagnerrp: | reboot |
| [08:15:42] | purefusion: | what's the worst that either of those would do? |
| [08:15:49] | justinh: | hey, if he wants his mythtv system to be full of holes.. |
| [08:15:55] | wagnerrp: | screw up a recording |
| [08:16:03] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend is a server |
| [08:16:08] | purefusion: | not a big concern... |
| [08:16:19] | wagnerrp: | in any sensible setup, you do not run servers on interactive machines |
| [08:16:25] | wagnerrp: | it just isnt done |
| [08:16:35] | wagnerrp: | anyway... |
| [08:16:50] | wagnerrp: | our suggestion is either to use that old PC |
| [08:16:56] | purefusion: | I understand it would be far from the ideal solution... |
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| [08:17:15] | justinh: | mind you, I'm about to replace my current backend with something totally new |
| [08:17:15] | wagnerrp: | or use the old case and psu, and swap out the guts with ~$140 of low end AMD hardware |
| [08:17:23] | justinh: | that is, if i ever get the damn thing wokring |
| [08:17:25] | justinh: | *working |
| [08:18:04] | justinh: | this is the first time I've not bought AMD because I was being cheap :) |
| [08:18:06] | justinh: | *ever* |
| [08:18:21] | wagnerrp: | the recommended backend has always been some big fugly machine that you toss in a closet and dont touch |
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| [08:18:26] | purefusion: | aren't older machines less energy efficient? or is that a ...myth? |
| [08:18:36] | wagnerrp: | thats very much true |
| [08:18:37] | justinh: | they generally are, yes |
| [08:18:48] | wagnerrp: | but when a 27W P3 will get the job done |
| [08:18:49] | justinh: | but you have to spend money to save money :P |
| [08:19:00] | wagnerrp: | who needs a 'more efficient' 65W core2 or athlon |
| [08:19:40] | purefusion: | I don't even know what W it is... it's a 400 MHz PIII |
| [08:19:43] | wagnerrp: | sure, the performance per watt is far greater, but the machines going to sit there idling |
| [08:19:57] | wagnerrp: | the P3s were all 27W TDP |
| [08:20:03] | wagnerrp: | did they go as low as 400? |
| [08:20:23] | wagnerrp: | i had an old slot 1 500 |
| [08:20:29] | justinh: | eh? that must be older than 10 years |
| [08:20:52] | purefusion: | maybe it was 500 |
| [08:21:19] | purefusion: | ah, 450 |
| [08:21:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, lowest desktop chip was 450 |
| [08:21:46] | wagnerrp: | release 10.5yrs ago |
| [08:22:04] | purefusion: | at least my age guestimate was right on the money |
| [08:22:18] | wagnerrp: | nothing in between a 450MHz P3, and a 3Ghz C2Q? |
| [08:22:22] | wagnerrp: | must have been eye opening |
| [08:22:52] | purefusion: | nah, I had a few other machines in between ...laptops, desktops, etc |
| [08:23:12] | purefusion: | sold them all except for this machine (laptop) and my main machine |
| [08:23:23] | justinh: | this is ridiculous. tzap works yada yada – not getting *anything* out of DVR0 at all :-\ |
| [08:23:24] | purefusion: | and my wife has a machine too |
| [08:24:27] | justinh: | heh even catting /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 results in nada |
| [08:25:37] | purefusion: | so then, is there possibly some way to get the HTPC to have a mythtv backend that uses the main machine's TV card as something like a network TV card? |
| [08:26:07] | wagnerrp: | you *can* hack something together using VLC, but you shouldnt |
| [08:26:15] | purefusion: | kinda like the HDHomeRun, only machine based |
| [08:27:57] | purefusion: | mythtv supports incoming video streams, right? |
| [08:28:21] | wagnerrp: | in a very specific manner, to support a certain IPTV provider in france |
| [08:28:44] | purefusion: | then how does the HDHomeRun work? |
| [08:29:04] | purefusion: | (I'd get that, but it doesn't support analog cable) |
| [08:29:06] | wagnerrp: | we link into silicon dust's libraries |
| [08:29:27] | wagnerrp: | and the libraries provide communication with the device |
| [08:30:09] | purefusion: | and what's the VLC hack involve? |
| [08:30:44] | wagnerrp: | no idea, i just know someone documented a method of using VLC to pull multiple streams out of a multiplex before mythtv got multirec support |
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| [08:31:04] | wagnerrp: | basically, you end up emulating the behavior of said IPTV provider in france |
| [08:31:10] | purefusion: | ah, gotcha |
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| [08:41:06] | nblah: | I am having problems recording tv, i schedule items but they never seem to record, when i go to watch recording all i get are items i have watched on livetv in the past |
| [08:41:29] | nblah: | my recording directory is empty and has same permissions as livetv directory which has data inside |
| [08:42:18] | nblah: | i can see things under previously recorded when i go to manage my recordings, this lists the things I wanted to record however I dont have the option to playback on to re-record, delete, etc |
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| [08:44:01] | justinh: | nblah: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F |
| [08:44:31] | justinh: | oh wait – your recordings storage group is empty? oops |
| [08:45:35] | nblah: | yea if i select all programs i still only see previously watched tv |
| [08:45:49] | nblah: | which i never selected to record |
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| [09:09:22] | KaZeR: | hey guys. anyone here using iptv, or something based on m3u playlists for recording? |
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| [09:12:48] | nblah: | would you know why i get stuttering issues watching HD tv? I constantly get this in my log: 2009-11–02 08:02:55.552 NVP(0): prebuffering pause |
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| [09:18:48] | justinh_: | well, that tuner isn't working on this kernel even with drivers from Hg :( |
| [09:19:19] | justinh_: | the only option is to get the box it *was* working with down from the attic & see if it still works hardware-wise |
| [09:20:04] | justinh_: | damndest thing, scans fine but not getting anything out of dvr0 |
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| [10:15:48] | justinh: | blimmin idiot, I am. needed to use tzap -r |
| [10:16:08] | justinh: | doesn't explain why mythtv-setup failed to find any channels though, still |
| [10:18:04] | nblah: | is there a way to prevent screensaver starting when I am watching tv other than turn it off completely? |
| [10:18:19] | justinh: | mythtv should stop the screensaver kicking in |
| [10:18:27] | justinh: | by default |
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| [10:19:56] | tank-man: | works as advertised for me :) |
| [10:21:07] | nblah: | bummer, kicks in even when i am watching livetv |
| [10:21:24] | [Peter]: | I noticed yesterday that it doesn't work for the GNOME screensaver |
| [10:21:54] | justinh: | wow since I fiddled with the memory in my backend everything is starting up faster. must've been erroring all over the shop or something |
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| [10:23:22] | justinh: | k, now to see if I can get freenx working on karmic |
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| [10:31:12] | justinh: | hmmm, ever more tempted to just install mythbuntu here, then use the MCC to setup a diskless boot thing for the frontend. could be way less pain in the longrun |
| [10:32:32] | justinh: | I know my way around ubuntu & mythtv well enough to be able to restore an old db & update it to 0.22, and extras like freenx & firefox etc can easily be added |
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| [10:40:14] | clever: | justinh: or you could just do what i did for diskless:P |
| [10:40:27] | clever: | debootstrap a new root, and then diskless boot it |
| [10:40:47] | nblah: | why does my lcd never connect? I have LCDd running and all i get is the date and heartbeat on the LCD but never show info |
| [10:40:57] | nblah: | Connecting to lcd server: localhost:6545 (try 8 of 10) until it hits 10 |
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| [10:58:53] | justinh: | whee freenx is working on the new box. that was almost too easy |
| [11:00:00] | justinh: | and now I can mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 :) |
| [11:06:45] | justinh: | what's the mythtv-setup trick for tasksetting again? |
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| [11:08:47] | justinh: | ahh taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [11:10:45] | mchou: | justinh: I told you eraser works |
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| [11:16:17] | justinh: | bah still nothing picked up here |
| [11:16:21] | justinh: | the blimmin tuner works |
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| [11:17:21] | justinh: | I'll try 0.22-fixes then |
| [11:17:28] | justinh: | see if that at least does something |
| [11:19:23] | pat-: | mythtv-setup should have a wrapper script that does the taskset stuff in my opinion |
| [11:33:43] | justinh: | probably does in mythbuntu & with packages |
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| [11:35:38] | justinh: | were scanning 'fixes' backported to -fixes, I wonder |
| [11:35:49] | justinh: | if 0.22 works that'll answer the question for me |
| [11:36:15] | oobe: | do you use trunk justinh |
| [11:36:22] | justinh: | no not anymore |
| [11:36:33] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [11:36:46] | oobe: | i only just joined so i dont know what your talking about |
| [11:37:08] | justinh: | I need to fit a new hdd in my notebook so I've plenty room to play. the current non-working linux partition is only 5GB |
| [11:37:22] | oobe: | ubuntu 9.10 upgrade went really bad so i did a fresh install of jaunty |
| [11:37:36] | oobe: | pity i usually back up before upgrades |
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| [11:38:28] | oobe: | would you believe kernel 2.6.31 makes my machine unusable with my tuner |
| [11:38:36] | justinh: | I'm reluctant to move to 0.22 cos my wife really isn't struck by any of the themes. I could put up with what there is |
| [11:38:59] | oobe: | wow that is fickle |
| [11:39:10] | justinh: | she doesn't like any of the new layouts |
| [11:39:17] | oobe: | what is her favourate 21 themes |
| [11:39:29] | sulx: | justinh: mythcenter is fine =) |
| [11:39:31] | justinh: | mepo-wide but over my dead body |
| [11:39:42] | justinh: | mythcenter – over my dead body |
| [11:39:49] | sulx: | it's wife-approved :P |
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| [11:40:55] | sulx: | mythbuntu theme isn't that bad...tho mythbuntu itself is :I |
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| [11:42:38] | justinh: | I like the concept but there's too little contrast & all the buttons have backgrounds |
| [11:43:17] | oobe: | there was a mepo wide for trunk i tried to install it but it is broken now |
| [11:43:31] | oobe: | so your still using 21? |
| [11:43:38] | justinh: | like I said, mepo-wide is used in my house over my dead body |
| [11:43:46] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:43:56] | justinh: | no rush to upgrade til I've got a theme we like at home |
| [11:44:17] | sulx: | time to be creative? =) |
| [11:44:31] | oobe: | hmm you must have a dev box for trunk ? |
| [11:46:34] | oobe: | just for testing things out i mean |
| [11:46:53] | oobe: | i just assumed you used trunk |
| [11:52:19] | justinh: | just my notebook & linux doesn't work on there right now |
| [11:54:08] | oobe: | man you know how annoying the last few days were |
| [11:54:24] | oobe: | i really cant begin to describe it |
| [11:55:01] | oobe: | i really should of backed up before upgrading to karmic |
| [11:55:16] | justinh: | my first impressions of that distro have not been good |
| [11:55:38] | oobe: | the one big plus for me is very up to date apt repos |
| [11:55:56] | oobe: | the massive down side is the release cycles to often |
| [11:56:36] | oobe: | and they change things without notice to specifically enhance user experience of inexperienced users |
| [11:56:52] | justinh: | not without notice. you just never got the memo |
| [11:56:58] | oobe: | heh |
| [11:57:01] | oobe: | true |
| [11:57:12] | oobe: | wtf would they use grub2 |
| [11:57:21] | oobe: | i didnt even know it existed before karmic |
| [11:57:30] | justinh: | you mean you didn't read the planning application document at the council offices in Alpha Centauri ?! |
| [11:57:40] | oobe: | heh |
| [11:57:47] | oobe: | lol |
| [11:57:52] | justinh: | is it just me or is grub2 more like lilo than grub ever was? |
| [11:58:12] | oobe: | i really didnt take time to notice |
| [11:58:29] | oobe: | since grub already works and i am familar with it i just installed that over |
| [11:58:32] | justinh: | looks like menu.lst is gone, for 1 thing |
| [11:58:38] | oobe: | yea |
| [11:58:50] | justinh: | oh man, grey text on a teal background |
| [11:58:51] | oobe: | thing to me is it already works |
| [12:00:56] | justinh: | http://imagebin.ca/view/xQccyT.html – look at the state of that |
| [12:01:09] | justinh: | how the hell is anybody meant to read the text in the middle box?! |
| [12:02:04] | justinh: | failed to find any channels anyway. Again |
| [12:03:21] | justinh: | full scan fails. tuned scan fails. bah |
| [12:04:42] | justinh: | mythtv. fails :( |
| [12:05:53] | justinh: | crank the timeouts up to 5000ms |
| [12:06:23] | justinh: | this'll be an opportunity to submit a bug report |
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| [12:06:38] | antgel: | good afternoon all, especially those who know about the Astra satellites :) |
| [12:06:40] | justinh: | who keeps breaking the channel scanner? ;-) |
| [12:09:01] | antgel: | have just moved into a building with Sky (satellite) points in each flat, presumably via some distribution system. got a hauppauge nova dvb-s2 card here. when i do a scan, it doesn't seem to pick up any of the astra 2d frequencies, which is a shame as those are the ones i want (for freesat). any thoughts about how to debug this? i assume the distribution system makes the socket in each flat look like it has an LNB at the other |
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| [12:09:32] | justinh: | don't talk to me about scanning |
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| [12:09:44] | justinh: | try in other apps, see what they find |
| [12:09:49] | antgel: | justinh: still here from last night then? trust you have slept ;) |
| [12:10:00] | justinh: | had about 4 hours |
| [12:10:11] | justinh: | found out the card actually works though |
| [12:10:18] | antgel: | well that's what i did. i started with the lyngsat table for astra 2D and inputting frequencies into mythtv, no joy |
| [12:10:24] | justinh: | just not in any version of mythtv |
| [12:10:57] | antgel: | then used the dvb-utils scan utility, and that's when i realised that (1) the card and connection are good and (2) it seemed able to tune to everything apart from astra 2D |
| [12:11:32] | justinh: | maybe they're doing something funky |
| [12:11:51] | clever: | antgel: can you capture anything from those other signals? |
| [12:11:54] | justinh: | do you have a dvb-s stb you can try? |
| [12:12:17] | antgel: | clever: yes, i can watch qvc, sky news, luxe(!) et al |
| [12:12:21] | antgel: | justinh: i wish |
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| [12:12:58] | antgel: | the distribution point in my flat has two satellite connections, i wonder if they are the same (to use two boxes) or if there's some hidden meaning there |
| [12:13:19] | justinh: | tried the other one? |
| [12:13:24] | antgel: | i think it might be sensible to go to the cellar and write down the model numbers of whatever kit is at the other end of this point |
| [12:13:29] | antgel: | trying it now |
| [12:13:49] | justinh: | seriously though how is anybody expected to read http://imagebin.ca/view/xQccyT.html |
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| [12:14:06] | clever: | justinh: i can bearly read it, though it may be more of a theme problem |
| [12:14:13] | justinh: | yeah I know I could change the qt theme from mythfrontend but erm... |
| [12:14:20] | justinh: | this is step one. mythtv-setup :) |
| [12:14:52] | clever: | the themer may not have been willing to screw up his channel lineup by rescanning |
| [12:15:09] | antgel: | tried the other point, qvc still on, may do another scan |
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| [12:16:21] | justinh: | this is blimmin ridiculous |
| [12:16:27] | antgel: | hmm, scan has an option for -l (lnb type). wonder if that's relevant. anyway, here goes a scan in the second socket |
| [12:16:35] | justinh: | supposed 'progress'. sigh |
| [12:17:36] | justinh: | with 5s timeouts it's up to channel 50 but I *know* there's nothing on the band til channel 56 |
| [12:19:11] | antgel: | scan reports lots of WARNING: >>> tuning failed!... same as the other socket :( |
| [12:19:27] | justinh: | channel 56, 754166670 no lock on offser 1 & 2 |
| [12:19:38] | justinh: | funny, tzap says otherwise |
| [12:20:14] | justinh: | I mean if it's not even reporting a lock wtf kind of debug info can I provide? There won't be any siparser, nit etc data |
| [12:20:19] | antgel: | is there another place i should go for help with this given that it's not exactly a mythtv problem? |
| [12:20:33] | justinh: | antgel: maybe #linuxtv |
| [12:21:39] | justinh: | what the hell is mythtv-setup doing different to scan? |
| [12:21:44] | antgel: | i'll pop over later. have to go out now anyway. catch you later all |
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| [12:22:10] | oobe: | mythtv .22 doesnt seem to scan that well |
| [12:22:32] | quicksilver: | did channel 5 change chanid or mux recently? or am I just getting really bad signal on it these days |
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| [12:23:31] | justinh: | wtf? added a transport manually & it's finding stuff with a scan of existing transports! |
| [12:23:42] | justinh: | that is unbelievably broken |
| [12:24:11] | justinh: | and this is a release candidate?! |
| [12:26:01] | oobe: | i havent had problems cause i upgraded from 21 and my channels were already scanned in |
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| [12:26:25] | justinh: | yeah well I won't either, but looking at this from a newbie perspective.. jeesus effing christ |
| [12:26:40] | oobe: | yea |
| [12:26:47] | [Peter]: | justinh: import a channels.conf file :) |
| [12:26:59] | oobe: | i have tried testing the scanner and noticed it didnt work well |
| [12:27:23] | oobe: | so i tried using my channels.conf and it picked up some channels on certain transports but not others |
| [12:27:23] | justinh: | [Peter]: there's always that but ffs this stuff should work out of the box |
| [12:27:33] | justinh: | this is awful |
| [12:28:06] | justinh: | even 0.21-fixes is broken with this |
| [12:28:25] | [Peter]: | I never got 0.21 to scan for me |
| [12:28:40] | PS94: | Hi, I've having trouble getting MythWEB working. Anyone with success installing and getting MythWEB running? I use Slackware. |
| [12:28:41] | justinh: | I've been on with it all morning trying to get it to work til I had the brainwave of manually adding a transport I knew the details for |
| [12:28:42] | [Peter]: | 0.22 actually worked if I entered one transponder manually |
| [12:29:03] | justinh: | and I fricking *know* what I'm doing with this |
| [12:29:06] | oobe: | justinh, where abouts do you live |
| [12:29:20] | oobe: | like what is the large city you are closest to |
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| [12:29:31] | justinh: | manchester |
| [12:29:56] | justinh: | I think also unsetting the 'only free channels' bit had a part to play :-\ |
| [12:30:25] | oobe: | do you have dvb utils |
| [12:30:30] | justinh: | these are utter basics it shouldn't be getting wrong |
| [12:30:34] | justinh: | yeah of course I do |
| [12:30:35] | justinh: | scan works |
| [12:30:45] | [Peter]: | justinh: it's kind of bad when it's easier to scan channels with the command line tools than a GUI :) |
| [12:30:50] | justinh: | I had mplayer & tzap going before |
| [12:30:58] | justinh: | kind of bad. understatement |
| [12:32:10] | justinh: | sacking the bloody icon downloader aswell |
| [12:32:13] | oobe: | try using the transports from one of the dvb-t/uk files on your system |
| [12:32:54] | oobe: | austalians have a nice solution for channel icons |
| [12:33:15] | justinh: | did you not read that I got it working by manually adding a transport & then scanning existing transports? |
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| [12:33:50] | justinh: | but even just doing a full scan out of the box, with the defaults at sensible LOGICAL settings should produce at least *some* kind of result |
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| [12:35:21] | oobe: | i know |
| [12:35:26] | oobe: | yea i did read that |
| [12:35:49] | oobe: | but what im saying is you can get the rest of your local transports from the dvb-t files |
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| [12:36:08] | justinh: | it got all of them too when I rescanned with 'find other transports' |
| [12:36:26] | justinh: | God help a newb trying to unpick all this |
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| [12:36:57] | oobe: | or a cynical expert :P |
| [12:37:09] | clever: | i'll just refer everybody to justinh:P |
| [12:37:38] | justinh: | new users coming in are gonna have a nightmare on their hands |
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| [12:37:54] | justinh: | you can't go releasing a DVR with broken scanning like this |
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| [12:38:34] | justinh: | now before I do anything else, off I go to trac to see if there are any scanning tickets open |
| [12:38:58] | justinh: | but it's down, or just slow again. Great |
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| [12:40:57] | justinh: | somebody remind me to look again when it's up |
| [12:40:59] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [12:42:49] | [Peter]: | I guess it took the monday off |
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| [12:43:28] | justinh: | I guess not enough testers are doing it from a fresh install perspective |
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| [12:44:10] | justinh: | there might well be a known issue with scanning & a ticket open with work ongoing I dunno. no way to tell |
| [12:44:16] | justinh: | if it's in hand I'll say fair nuff |
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| [12:46:12] | oobe: | they should atleast put a text box in the scanner saying "the scanner is broken ask justinh on irc how to add transports manually" |
| [12:46:24] | justinh: | har har |
| [12:46:44] | oobe: | that would be kinda neat |
| [12:46:47] | oobe: | neato |
| [12:47:07] | justinh: | I think you'd find that a great way to keep me out of IRC channels :D |
| [12:47:42] | oobe: | you would just put on a global ignore |
| [12:47:58] | justinh: | I would just stop using IRC end of |
| [12:48:03] | oobe: | not that that would make sense |
| [12:48:47] | justinh: | I've said bad things about sourceforge in the past but maybe it's time to start thinking about it for mythtv sources |
| [12:49:06] | justinh: | let somebody else deal with the availability issues |
| [12:49:12] | oobe: | you mean svn |
| [12:49:49] | justinh: | well take yer pick. the whole domain has been flaky as hell lately |
| [12:50:40] | oobe: | i assume its from lots of ppl checking out the latest svn |
| [12:50:41] | justinh: | no svn, no bug report & no doubt I'll have calmed down enough & will stop caring about 'for the sake of the poor noobs' |
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| [12:52:16] | oobe: | you know what would be great if myth docs pointed to you on irc when scanner doesnt work |
| [12:52:35] | oobe: | then when someone asks you, you tell them go RTFM |
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| [12:52:53] | oobe: | geeze ffs RTFM |
| [12:53:07] | justinh: | there is no manual for the scanning AFAIK |
| [12:53:21] | oobe: | ok but just imagine |
| [12:53:31] | justinh: | you just have to guess |
| [12:53:53] | justinh: | but it seems the 'ignore nonfree channels' setting is doing the opposite |
| [12:54:35] | justinh: | it's easy to blame mythtv, but I know what a monumental screwup all of DVB is |
| [12:54:41] | justinh: | the 'spec' for example |
| [12:55:00] | justinh: | so software has to put in workarounds for all the perculiarities.. |
| [12:55:36] | oobe: | so are you saying if you check ignore non free channels you get free channels and vice versa |
| [12:55:41] | justinh: | all the 'special' crap that STBs take into account because they've got software which panders to the variations from the spec |
| [12:56:50] | justinh: | if it's not fixed by the time of the release I'll go into hiding |
| [12:58:02] | justinh: | I know what's wrong. we've not beered the development team anything *like* enough |
| [12:58:19] | oobe: | look whats in the topic for kde "Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4" |
| [12:58:46] | justinh: | oh you mean the generally regarded fix to mend a desktop when it breaks? :-) |
| [12:58:56] | oobe: | lol |
| [12:59:26] | oobe: | must be so common |
| [12:59:41] | oobe: | mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old |
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| [12:59:56] | oobe: | not rm -rf ~/.kde |
| [13:00:13] | justinh: | over the last couple of says I can't help get the feeling that we're moving backwards faster than things are moving forwards |
| [13:00:19] | justinh: | s/says/days |
| [13:01:00] | oobe: | its some kind of space and time continuum phenomena |
| [13:01:13] | oobe: | happens at the end of each millenium |
| [13:01:14] | justinh: | there is no spoon! |
| [13:01:19] | ** justinh goes to get a spoon ** | |
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| [13:33:32] | `oobe`: | help me my mythee teevee is brokie |
| [13:34:20] | justinh: | gonna see a lot of that soon :P |
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| [13:42:32] | `oobe`: | but really it was after my ubuntu upgrade |
| [13:44:17] | `oobe` is now known as oobe | |
| [13:45:07] | oobe: | what distro do you use justinh |
| [13:45:26] | justinh: | buntu |
| [13:45:34] | oobe: | really |
| [13:45:35] | justinh: | buggeration "2009-11–02 13:43:49.926 DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(4415) desired(4168)" |
| [13:45:48] | justinh: | I'm no fan, believe me |
| [13:45:54] | oobe: | did you upgrade to karmic yet |
| [13:46:08] | justinh: | put karmic on the new machine to try it |
| [13:46:16] | justinh: | so far I'm unmoved by it |
| [13:47:35] | oobe: | i built a custom kernel for it but that didnt my problems |
| [13:48:25] | oobe: | bugs from v4l-dvb that affect my tuner went into 2.6.31 |
| [13:48:35] | justinh: | I can't remember my launchpad details to report the issues I found |
| [13:48:50] | oobe: | did you notice grub2 |
| [13:48:55] | justinh: | oh yes |
| [13:49:07] | justinh: | first reboot after install failed |
| [13:50:00] | justinh: | how people are fawning so heavily over it I dunno |
| [13:53:04] | oobe: | i didnt notice |
| [13:53:11] | oobe: | you must read a lot of blogs |
| [13:53:36] | justinh: | not really |
| [13:54:15] | justinh: | I'm enough of a cynic to not be impressed by any OS particularly |
| [13:56:26] | oobe: | yea |
| [13:56:44] | oobe: | i think you are onto somthing |
| [13:56:50] | oobe: | i didnt relise you had a wife |
| [13:57:01] | oobe: | how long you been married |
| [13:59:49] | justinh: | 6 years a week ago last Sunday |
| [14:00:17] | oobe: | i would of never guess since you are always on here |
| [14:00:33] | oobe: | what does she say about your irc habbits |
| [14:00:54] | oobe: | brb |
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| [14:02:02] | oobe: | yay my desktop is fixed |
| [14:02:23] | justinh: | I'm always in here during working hours |
| [14:02:27] | justinh: | not much at other times |
| [14:02:35] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [14:02:42] | oobe: | you must work a lot |
| [14:02:47] | oobe: | what do you do |
| [14:02:53] | justinh: | nothing these days |
| [14:02:57] | oobe: | heh |
| [14:03:00] | oobe: | no really |
| [14:03:11] | justinh: | electronics technician |
| [14:03:14] | oobe: | oh you mean while she is at work ? |
| [14:03:15] | justinh: | but no really, sod all |
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| [14:06:05] | oobe: | unemployment is high over there right now |
| [14:06:13] | oobe: | atleast thats what im told |
| [14:07:01] | justinh: | yeah we laid people off not so long ago |
| [14:07:40] | jduggan: | im told unemployment is high |
| [14:07:43] | jduggan: | but frankly |
| [14:07:50] | jduggan: | ive not seen it |
| [14:07:55] | justinh: | everybody who got laid off is now working |
| [14:08:05] | justinh: | so things can't be that tight |
| [14:08:07] | jduggan: | i dont knwo anyone who got laid off and is not already back in employment |
| [14:08:30] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:08:46] | justinh: | anyway, what's with the scanner being so wordy these days, and wth are "mpeg channels" ? |
| [14:08:58] | justinh: | found X no. of 'mpeg channels' |
| [14:09:08] | jduggan: | yea ive seen that, always wondered |
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| [14:10:47] | justinh: | it was easier in 0.21 :-( |
| [14:11:05] | justinh: | granted it seems much more intelligent now, when it works but good grief |
| [14:11:14] | jduggan: | i had problems with the scanner myself |
| [14:11:21] | justinh: | wonder if by 'mpeg' it means 'MHEG' |
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| [14:11:33] | justinh: | if so, could do with saying 'Interactive' instead |
| [14:12:24] | justinh: | jduggan: know if there are any tickets open for scanning issues? these things are show-stoppers IMHO |
| [14:12:59] | jduggan: | there was a ticket open at the time i had problems – pretty sure it was solved, dont quote me on that though |
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| [14:25:47] | |simonckenyon|: | i wrote an article about my setup and it appeared in the november issue of what sat. only managed to get mythtv mentioned twice. |
| [14:26:06] | justinh: | lol |
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| [14:56:03] | kshots: | What's the latest revision of trunk? |
| [14:57:52] | justinh: | who knows.. svn is down |
| [14:58:34] | kshots: | ah... that explains a few things... |
| [14:58:46] | kshots: | what about the automated .zip packages for svn revs? |
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| [14:59:17] | justinh: | what automated zip packages? |
| [15:00:25] | kshots: | the gentoo ebuilds (which I modify to track current revs of trunk) download a .zip package that is built from any given version of the svn... apparently, somebody had a lot of disk space to spare. It's just the sources, though |
| [15:01:08] | kshots: | actually, it would be down too... |
| [15:01:09] | kshots: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/${MYTHTV . . . p;format=zip -> ${MY_PN}-${PV}.zip |
| [15:01:38] | justinh: | is this why trac is down? bloody gentoo users? ;-) |
| [15:02:11] | kshots: | heh, couldn't say |
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| [15:03:33] | kshots: | I figured they did that to lighten the load on the svn servers... though now that I'm seeing what was done, I'm not sure that did much of anything |
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| [15:06:25] | justinh: | hmm icon downloader seems to have issues were there are spaces in the channel name |
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| [15:09:24] | justinh: | and should OK really be the default highlighted button on delete a channel? |
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| [15:17:06] | justinh: | where is jamu in contrib? |
| [15:17:25] | oobe: | mythvideo/scripts |
| [15:17:41] | justinh: | heh no wonder. MUH |
| [15:17:50] | oobe: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ |
| [15:18:20] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: Are you using 0.22 or trunk? |
| [15:18:54] | oobe: | this is the bit where justinh says 22 still doesnt exist |
| [15:19:33] | justinh: | trying 0.22 |
| [15:19:46] | justinh: | oobe: I'm not using no steenking packages |
| [15:20:00] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: OK as jamu is currently broken in trunk. |
| [15:20:08] | oobe: | justinh, nor am i |
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| [15:20:28] | justinh: | I don't change the prefix from /usr/local |
| [15:20:29] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, it's *not* broken |
| [15:20:32] | oobe: | they are buggy by comparision |
| [15:20:53] | oobe: | i do |
| [15:20:56] | justinh: | oobe: it's not the state of the compilation, it's everything they wrap it up in |
| [15:21:02] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, It's perfectly reasonable to assume that if the user wants to use it, that they need to copy it and its deps around, just like all the other contrib scripts |
| [15:21:15] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, It's just luck that it happens to have worked without interaction to date |
| [15:21:38] | oobe: | justinh, you mean the scripts that rename mythfrontend.real |
| [15:21:45] | justinh: | I mean everything |
| [15:21:52] | justinh: | random fricking password generation, the works |
| [15:22:34] | justinh: | definitely gonna have to curl one (a theme) out |
| [15:22:44] | oobe: | i just noticed the other day you can reset the password back to whatever with sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common |
| [15:23:00] | justinh: | mythbuntu is the closest there is to a theme I really like & feel I could use |
| [15:23:05] | justinh: | but not close enough |
| [15:23:24] | oobe: | um what about Graphite |
| [15:23:30] | justinh: | what about it? |
| [15:23:48] | justinh: | I admire it for the work that went into it, and the innovation etc. it's just not my cup of tea |
| [15:23:55] | oobe: | thats the best there is i like it |
| [15:24:23] | justinh: | I don't like how the icons are laid out in watch recordings, and the menus are too stark for my taste |
| [15:24:34] | oobe: | i had an idea for a theme |
| [15:24:52] | justinh: | we don't have HD, so I care little for what resolution etc a recording is |
| [15:24:57] | oobe: | 3d speres that spin for each menu index |
| [15:24:58] | justinh: | or whether it has subs or what |
| [15:25:08] | justinh: | good luck coding that |
| [15:25:23] | justinh: | '3d' interfaces. usablity nightmare |
| [15:25:31] | justinh: | look at the original xbox dashboard |
| [15:25:34] | justinh: | shudder |
| [15:25:36] | oobe: | i will never get round to it |
| [15:26:02] | justinh: | so no, no slight to iamlindoro or any other themer. I can't change my taste or lack of it |
| [15:26:20] | justinh: | and my wife has tried other screen layouts & prefers the 0.21 way :( |
| [15:26:47] | justinh: | which means the only real way fwd for me would be to try & get collapsing areas in somehow |
| [15:26:54] | oobe: | imagine blue but animated and 3d with black background and the blue tint from pear ody |
| [15:27:20] | justinh: | by all means show a breadcrumb trail, but wasting space showing which group you're in.. meh |
| [15:27:30] | justinh: | 'animated' ? |
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| [15:28:56] | clever: | just had an idea on how to do oobe's idea:P |
| [15:29:05] | oobe: | nice |
| [15:29:07] | clever: | have a transition animation, for going between each menu |
| [15:29:09] | oobe: | i will never do it |
| [15:29:33] | oobe: | animated as in the cubes spin and float hover |
| [15:29:34] | clever: | so you can just switch from the menu, to a pre-rendered animation of the 'sphere' (or anything else) spinning to the next page |
| [15:29:44] | oobe: | when you select that menu item |
| [15:29:44] | justinh: | real 3d. jesus |
| [15:29:52] | justinh: | funny ideas. |
| [15:29:57] | clever: | my method would be easyer to add to mythtv:P |
| [15:30:02] | justinh: | less xml, more .3DS |
| [15:30:21] | oobe: | clever, i think where on the same page |
| [15:30:35] | justinh: | people have enough problems making 2d interfaces not suck |
| [15:30:50] | oobe: | ya |
| [15:30:52] | clever: | my method would just be doing fake 3d |
| [15:30:57] | oobe: | well i would of put it like that |
| [15:31:14] | oobe: | there really isnt any other kind |
| [15:31:31] | oobe: | wouldnt* |
| [15:31:43] | justinh: | we're still waiting for somebody to come along & abstract out the transitions |
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| [15:33:01] | oobe: | what do you mean |
| [15:34:36] | justinh: | I mean remove the hard-coded fade so we can have other transitions |
| [15:34:57] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [15:35:14] | oobe: | there would be ways of making it work |
| [15:35:15] | justinh: | or so the fade can at least be optional :P |
| [15:35:18] | clever: | thats part of what my idea would have needed |
| [15:35:30] | clever: | allow the transition to be selected by the theme |
| [15:36:02] | clever: | and allow the theme to select an animation |
| [15:36:02] | clever: | one contained within the theme |
| [15:36:44] | justinh: | well not having them themable is worse than not having them |
| [15:37:21] | clever: | a little bit like how dvd menu's work |
| [15:38:02] | CyberKnet: | no more options. Option overload achieved. Abort. Abort. Abort. |
| [15:38:10] | superm1: | justinh, if you had just tried the Packages, you would have had jamu already set up for you and configured in a cron job etc. |
| [15:38:21] | CyberKnet: | :P |
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| [15:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone know a minimal WM that has ameans for someone to via script or something else trigger it to flip between it's virtual desktops |
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| [15:42:25] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
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| [15:46:15] | justinh: | superm1: yeah, and I'd still be scratching my head trying to figure out wtf it's done to all the paths |
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| [15:46:25] | cythraul: | svn.mythtv.org down again? |
| [15:46:30] | justinh: | my stuff doesn't, and never will live in /var/lib |
| [15:46:44] | superm1: | justinh, everything is /var/lib/mythtv just like LSB says it should |
| [15:46:51] | justinh: | cythraul: yes |
| [15:46:59] | cythraul: | :( |
| [15:47:04] | justinh: | superm1: I don't care for that, I like friendly names |
| [15:47:34] | justinh: | there are arguments for & against packages/not packages |
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| [15:48:06] | justinh: | I didn't diss the packages – just that I like to do things my own way. |
| [15:48:07] | superm1: | besides that i'd really like to hear any other arguments. the packages are as little patched as possible so should be reflective of upstream code |
| [15:49:09] | justinh: | sometimes I think if some geeks had their way we wouldn't even be allowed to have readable filenames ;) |
| [15:49:40] | cythraul: | wondering, if anyone have that problem and if it's resolved in recent .22-fixes... i'm running .22-fixes (svn22570) and I can't scan using my hauppauge pvr-150. it starts the scan but does not go beyond the first channel... I have theses errors in mythtv-setyp log's: DTVParamHelper::toString() index out of bounds |
| [15:50:38] | justinh: | analogue scanning is indeed broken |
| [15:50:49] | justinh: | you shouldn't use analogue scanning |
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| [15:52:10] | d3f4ultr0: | good morning folks. I need some help on my old 6600GT card. I set my machine at 1920x880. Aspect ratio looks almost good but I was hoping to squeeze it more via my sony projector's SIZE button but I've reached the minimum. Is there any way we can squeeze our video output via software? |
| [15:52:23] | superm1: | is there a ticket open on the analog scanning bug? i'm surprised that's not a blocker for 0.22 |
| [15:52:26] | justinh: | superm1: that I don't use packages or mythbuntu, or theme X shouldn't be any reflection on them. it's just a personal preference :) |
| [15:52:37] | justinh: | I recommend readybuilt mythtv distros to people |
| [15:54:23] | cythraul: | just what I'm using... atrpms's (testing) for fedora 10 |
| [15:54:38] | justinh: | and btw karmic is still displaying the mysterious white ubuntu logo during boot while nothing apparently happens. only for a much shorter period since installing. have to get rid of that & just have it spit out ugly (but useful for diagnosing) text (!) |
| [15:55:03] | cythraul: | it's a bummer for the ntsc scanning... will it be corrected for the final release? |
| [15:55:07] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:55:23] | justinh: | you should be getting your channel info from schedulesdirect |
| [15:55:38] | cythraul: | I don't agree a 100% |
| [15:55:49] | justinh: | ok then. COULD be |
| [15:55:52] | cythraul: | first, you have to pay |
| [15:56:00] | cythraul: | (I already do) |
| [15:56:02] | cythraul: | but |
| [15:56:22] | cythraul: | it's nice to be able to scan. sometimes the lineup are not accurate |
| [15:56:27] | justinh: | so then you'll have to put the channels into mythtv-setup yourself by manually adding them |
| [15:56:48] | cythraul: | indeed. and I don't mind. but it's a bummer for most users... |
| [15:56:55] | cythraul: | anyway, just my two cents |
| [15:56:55] | justinh: | not really |
| [15:57:04] | justinh: | most users have gone digital already |
| [15:57:14] | cythraul: | ah, good point |
| [15:57:18] | cythraul: | but I'm in canada |
| [15:57:23] | cythraul: | and we're not 100% digital yet |
| [15:57:27] | cythraul: | most channels are |
| [15:57:28] | justinh: | hence why nobody is in a rush to fix it |
| [15:57:39] | cythraul: | yeah, I understand now. did not realise. |
| [15:58:22] | cythraul: | oh well. but there's a ticket on this, irhgt? |
| [15:58:31] | cythraul: | can't check now, trac is down |
| [15:59:34] | cythraul: | anyway, thanks man. |
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| [16:00:22] | justinh: | not that digital scanning is any better here :P |
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| [16:13:36] | justinh: | svn is back up :) |
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| [16:15:49] | oobe: | lets hammer it yay |
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| [16:30:26] | oobe: | clever, you gonna make that theme :) |
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| [17:24:49] | PS94: | Anyone with experience getting MYTHWEB working? I've been at it for several days without success. |
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| [17:25:54] | wagnerrp: | whats the problem |
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| [17:27:13] | PS94: | wagnerrp, thanks... I have MythTV working – on a single machine and got MythFrontend working from a remote machine on my home LAN |
| [17:27:40] | wagnerrp: | so you have one combo box, and one fe-only? |
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| [17:27:54] | PS94: | wagnerrp, yes — more info coming. |
| [17:28:19] | PS94: | I read the mythweb INSTALL and README files several times – no success |
| [17:28:22] | wagnerrp: | just clarifying that... as it means you have both mythtv and your database set up properly for network access |
| [17:28:46] | PS94: | wagnerrp, yes. I was able to watch LiveTV on the remote machine |
| [17:29:38] | brad2: | hey, does anyone know if the MythNews Plugin has been updated to the latest MythUI? |
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| [17:29:50] | PS94: | I enter http://localhost/mythweb.php and get Database Setup Error I'm using the stock username/password mythtv |
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| [17:30:07] | wagnerrp: | so you have that 'mythweb.conf.apache', you stick it somewhere that makes sense |
| [17:30:17] | wagnerrp: | open up your httpd.conf for apache, and include that file |
| [17:30:23] | wagnerrp: | restart apache |
| [17:30:26] | PS94: | If I enter http://localhost/mythweb/ I get a directory listing. |
| [17:30:36] | wagnerrp: | and then go to 'http://localhost/mythweb/' |
| [17:30:51] | wagnerrp: | if you get a directory listing, that means you have not included that file in your apache configs |
| [17:31:09] | PS94: | wagnerrp, I've copied the mythweb.php to /var/www/htdocs/mythweb and no luck |
| [17:31:18] | wagnerrp: | depending on how your distro is set up, you may just have to place it in the right directory for that to automagically happen |
| [17:31:28] | wagnerrp: | copied what where? |
| [17:31:30] | PS94: | wagnerrp, I've run PHPINFO and get the PHP page listing all the plugins installed |
| [17:32:04] | PS94: | I put mythweb.php in /etc/httpd/extra |
| [17:32:05] | wagnerrp: | there are only two things you have to do to get mythweb running |
| [17:32:12] | wagnerrp: | why would you do that? |
| [17:32:23] | wagnerrp: | that is your html script |
| [17:32:26] | wagnerrp: | not your config file |
| [17:33:00] | wagnerrp: | mythweb.conf.apache is the config file |
| [17:33:09] | wagnerrp: | that is what apache needs |
| [17:33:15] | wagnerrp: | so you need to put it where apache needs it |
| [17:33:21] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt touch anything else in there |
| [17:33:33] | PS94: | I put mythweb.php in /etc/http/extra because httpd.conf has an Include line pointing to the extra/mythweb.conf |
| [17:34:02] | antgel: | #linuxtv is somewhat quiet – would it be out of order to try and get some assistance here with my DVB-S2 card and astra 2D? |
| [17:34:15] | antgel: | it's really starting to get my goat |
| [17:34:56] | wagnerrp: | undo everything you have done up to this point |
| [17:35:09] | wagnerrp: | get a fresh copy of mythweb, put it into your webroot directory |
| [17:35:23] | PS94: | mythweb.conf.conf was renamed mythweb.conf – and I copied it to /etc/httpd/extra. /etc/httpd/ contains htttpd.conf |
| [17:35:39] | wagnerrp: | open the included mythweb.conf.apache, and edit those couple lines that tell you to edit if necessary |
| [17:35:47] | wagnerrp: | and move it to that /etc/httpd/extra directory |
| [17:36:33] | PS94: | wagnerrp, I've reinstalled mythweb plugin several times – and moved mythweb.conf to /etc/httpd/extra |
| [17:36:43] | PS94: | /etc/httpd/ contains httpd.conf |
| [17:36:53] | PS94: | /etc/httpd/extra contains mythweb.conf |
| [17:37:11] | wagnerrp: | ok, apache reads that httpd.conf, and only that httpd.conf |
| [17:37:36] | wagnerrp: | depending on how your distro wrote that conf file, it may auto-include all files in /etc/httpd/extra, or it may not |
| [17:37:36] | PS94: | /etc/httpd/httpd.conf contains a line I added, similar to other lines in httpd.conf "Include /etc/httpd/extra/mythweb.conf" – is that OK???? |
| [17:38:13] | wagnerrp: | chances are, that file already includes everything in /etc/httpd/extra |
| [17:38:20] | wagnerrp: | pastebin the httpd.conf file |
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| [17:39:23] | PS94: | wagnerrp, httpd.conf has all the files in extra, referred to by Include – commented out with # |
| [17:39:55] | PS94: | wagnerrp, sheepishly, how do i pastebin httpd.conf???? |
| [17:40:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [17:40:22] | wagnerrp: | follow the instructions to upload a file |
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| [17:43:23] | PS94: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1653375 |
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| [17:44:14] | wagnerrp: | ok... first, your document root is /srv/httpd/htdocs |
| [17:44:35] | wagnerrp: | so you should have mythweb in /srv/httpd/htdocs/mythweb, instead of /var/www/htdocs |
| [17:45:05] | wagnerrp: | and you should update your mythweb.conf to reflect that directory |
| [17:45:17] | PS94: | "/srv" has a symlink to "/var/www" |
| [17:45:52] | PS94: | the symlink is the way Slackware does it |
| [17:45:58] | wagnerrp: | '/srv/httpd/' is a symlink? |
| [17:46:33] | PS94: | "/srv" contains httpd -> /var/www |
| [17:47:02] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [17:47:22] | wagnerrp: | and there is no automatic inclusion... so that include line you have is necessary |
| [17:47:47] | PS94: | The Include for mythweb at the bottom of httpd.conf |
| [17:47:53] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:48:11] | PS94: | Do I need to worry about .htaccess? |
| [17:48:20] | wagnerrp: | not any longer |
| [17:48:38] | wagnerrp: | the included conf file takes the place of the old .htaccess |
| [17:48:52] | wagnerrp: | youve restarted apache after including that file? |
| [17:48:54] | PS94: | I changed the group ownership of extra to apache as specified in the INSTALL – and changed the permissions to g+rw |
| [17:49:02] | PS94: | Yes I've restarted apache |
| [17:49:24] | PS94: | I'm about to turn on debugging messages in PHP – out of desparation |
| [17:49:31] | wagnerrp: | does your web server run as user 'apache'? |
| [17:49:40] | PS94: | Yes, user apache |
| [17:50:10] | wagnerrp: | you should never directly go to 'mythweb.php', mythweb doesnt work that way |
| [17:50:21] | wagnerrp: | so if youre getting a directory listing |
| [17:50:26] | PS94: | Suprisingly there a 6 instances of apache in ps aux |
| [17:50:31] | wagnerrp: | it isnt picking up that config for some reason |
| [17:50:44] | wagnerrp: | not surprising, it pre-forks |
| [17:51:02] | wagnerrp: | has a number of server processes waiting in queue to faster respond to demand |
| [17:51:03] | PS94: | What is the proper way to start mythweb? |
| [17:51:20] | wagnerrp: | just go to 'http://localhost/mythweb' |
| [17:51:35] | wagnerrp: | the rewrite rules are supposed to take care of the rest |
| [17:51:43] | PS94: | Ah. |
| [17:52:27] | wagnerrp: | about 30 lines in, you changed the 'Directory' stanza to match where you have these files? |
| [17:52:35] | wagnerrp: | in mythweb.conf.apache |
| [17:53:04] | wagnerrp: | to /var/www/htdocs, instead of /var/www/html |
| [17:53:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, should be /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
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| [17:56:35] | PS94: | I'm getting confused... |
| [17:56:52] | wagnerrp: | mythweb.conf, the one you put in /etc/httpd/extra |
| [17:56:53] | PS94: | I should look in mythweb.conf for the Directory reference? |
| [17:57:00] | PS94: | OK |
| [17:57:30] | wagnerrp: | about 30 lines in, there are two 'Directory' entries |
| [17:58:27] | PS94: | Yes, I see – let me change the Directory line to point to the directory CONTAINING the mythweb files |
| [17:58:59] | wagnerrp: | both of them |
| [17:59:09] | PS94: | Hold on... |
| [18:00:32] | PS94: | I want to reinstall the mythweb files in /var/www/htdocs – I'm creating a directory called mythweb in htdocs and I'll make sure mythweb.conf points to the directory containing the mythweb files – namely /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
| [18:03:30] | PS94: | I just cleared out the mythweb related files/directories in /var/www/htdocs – I'm reinstalling mythweb config files |
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| [18:07:42] | Makere: | hmm, I was watching mythfrontend just fine, and suddenly I start getting writeaudio: buffer underrun, and then I started to get writeaudio: snd_pcm_state == 2 and pcm_write_func: I/O-error (-5) and lost sound :p |
| [18:08:02] | Makere: | to the logs |
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| [18:14:00] | PS94: | wagnerrp, I just finished reinstalling mythweb files – I STILL get "Index of /mythweb" – I copied a file I created phpinfo into mythweb and phpinfo works. |
| [18:15:37] | PS94: | I modified /etc/httpd/extra/mythweb.conf to have <Directory "/var/www/htdocs/mythweb" > |
| [18:16:18] | wagnerrp: | then either that file is not getting included, or its using the wrong directories |
| [18:16:51] | wagnerrp: | maybe something to do with that symlink |
| [18:16:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
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| [18:17:20] | PS94: | Before I used symbolic links – but this time I copied all files into the directory /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
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| [18:19:52] | PS94: | There is a switch in httpd.conf that controls whether symlinks are followed – but this time I'm not using symlinks – I copied all files into /var/www/htdocs/mythweb |
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| [18:23:27] | PS94: | Sound like I have a problem with apache conf? – or rewrite? It's not treating http://localhost/mythweb/ as it should – instead displaying Index of /mythweb??? |
| [18:24:02] | wagnerrp: | its not with rewrite |
| [18:24:16] | wagnerrp: | the directory rule that disables directory listings inside mythweb is not working |
| [18:24:25] | wagnerrp: | either because you told it to work in the wrong directory |
| [18:24:32] | PS94: | wagnerrp, any easy way for me to test "rewrite"? |
| [18:24:33] | wagnerrp: | or because that file is not getting included by httpd.conf |
| [18:24:50] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with rewrite |
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| [18:24:52] | PS94: | phpinfo is an easy way to test apache and php |
| [18:24:57] | PS94: | wagnerrp, OK |
| [18:25:23] | i_is_cat: | myth doesnt seem to let me delete any of my recordings all of a sudden.. i've deleted them through 2 different frontends and also on mythweb and they wont go away |
| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | its that very first line, the '-All' |
| [18:26:21] | wagnerrp: | it disables indexing, the directory listing |
| [18:26:25] | wagnerrp: | that is not getting called |
| [18:27:06] | antgel: | hmm, well that's interesting. went downstairs to the distribution point, and it seems that my satellite sockets are connected to a delta MS5024N microswitch. the switch has four inputs, vertical|horizontal x low|high freqency |
| [18:27:32] | PS94: | wagnerrp, Once I included the contents of mythweb.conf into httpd.conf – it didn't help – I could try again if you want |
| [18:27:44] | antgel: | the frequency thing rings a bell, maybe i need to get my dvb-s card to send some signal down to the switch? |
| [18:28:13] | antgel: | anyone know anything about this sort of setup? i think astra 2D is on a different frequency to 2A and 2B which would explain a lot |
| [18:28:53] | PS94: | Is there a mythweb / mythtv error log file? I could insert a bad line – and see if an error message shows up – which would prove that mythweb.conf is being called |
| [18:29:35] | wagnerrp: | usually in /var/log |
| [18:29:44] | i_is_cat: | i just tried deleting again through mythweb and the mythbackend terminal started spewing things like: MythSocket(82de298:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. |
| [18:33:16] | mishehu: | hmm I'm wondering if i_is_cat is the star of i can has cheeseburger |
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| [18:34:57] | oobe: | Makere, did u try increasing the audio buffer in playback settings |
| [18:35:25] | justinh: | hrm. cant find any 0.22RC tickets for DVB-T scanning issues |
| [18:35:49] | oobe: | that surprises me |
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| [18:35:59] | Makere: | oobe: I have that extra audio buffer thingie ticked on |
| [18:36:13] | oobe: | yea thats what i meant Makere |
| [18:38:04] | Makere: | yea :/ |
| [18:38:56] | PS94: | wagnerrp, I added a junk line into mythweb.conf and when I tried to restart httpd I got an error message that matches the junk I added to mythweb.con – so mythweb.conf IS being included and parsed. |
| [18:40:34] | Josh_Borke: | did you look at the logs? |
| [18:40:49] | justinh: | oobe: nothing for trunk either |
| [18:41:12] | justinh: | dont wanna cause un-needed tickets |
| [18:42:19] | antgel: | grr – okay, have a problem in mythtv-setup. Capture cards -> select my DVB-S card -> DiSEqC -> Unconnected. |
| [18:42:43] | antgel: | when i press enter, i don't get any diseqc settings, it just flickers and the screen stays the same |
| [18:43:16] | antgel: | deleting the card and creating a new one doesn't help |
| [18:44:01] | antgel: | how can i get into the diseqc settings? |
| [18:44:33] | justinh: | pressing select (ENTER) should do it |
| [18:44:35] | i_is_cat: | this is getting really irritating, doesnt seem like anything i do will let me delete recordings, short of manually deleting the files which i havent tried yet |
| [18:45:08] | antgel: | justinh: 18:42 antgel> when i press enter, i don't get any diseqc settings, it just flickers and the screen stays the same |
| [18:45:09] | justinh: | do the files exist? |
| [18:45:12] | i_is_cat: | mythfrontend looks like its deleting them and they're gone from the recordings list until i exit the recordings and reenter then they're all still there |
| [18:45:21] | oobe: | justinh, whats the best way to thoroughly search trac for tickets |
| [18:45:25] | justinh: | antgel: like I said, should work |
| [18:45:29] | justinh: | oobe: you can't right now |
| [18:45:34] | justinh: | search -commits |
| [18:45:37] | antgel: | have done a DELETE from capturecard; |
| [18:45:39] | i_is_cat: | mythweb seems to kill the backend |
| [18:45:49] | antgel: | justinh: well, quite. hence my question to the support channel ;) |
| [18:46:09] | justinh: | antgel: permissions? user in the video group? |
| [18:46:42] | i_is_cat: | justinh, if that files exist question was directed at me, yes i can still watch them |
| [18:47:04] | justinh: | i_is_cat: selected 'expire instead of delete' & forgot about it? |
| [18:47:31] | antgel: | justinh: don't think so, can do a "scan" as that user |
| [18:47:35] | i_is_cat: | its possible but i dont think so i'll check right now |
| [18:47:55] | justinh: | antgel: how the hell can you scan without even adding a basic LNB to that page? |
| [18:48:00] | antgel: | FFS the diseqc button worked immediately after install, and there's nothing in stderr |
| [18:48:13] | antgel: | justinh: i mean the scan command from dvb-utils |
| [18:48:17] | i_is_cat: | nope that option is not set on |
| [18:49:02] | antgel: | and suddenly it works *boggle* |
| [18:49:36] | [Peter]: | antgel: it's kind of confusing. IIRC the list doesn't have focus by default so you have to press down one time and then you can press enter |
| [18:49:54] | antgel: | jesus this is a can of worms, i have no idea what the "switch type" should be |
| [18:50:00] | antgel: | [Peter]: aha! |
| [18:50:24] | antgel: | all i know is that a sky box should plug straight in and "just work" |
| [18:50:51] | [Peter]: | antgel: my guess is that you just need a LNB with the default settings then |
| [18:51:15] | antgel: | [Peter]: that's what i had, but i've had no joy picking up astra 2D transponders |
| [18:51:19] | justinh: | which is 'basic LNB' |
| [18:51:25] | justinh: | or maybe it's not |
| [18:51:57] | antgel: | so went downstairs to the basement, and noted that they are using delta MS 5024 N multiswitches |
| [18:52:08] | antgel: | thought maybe some extra jiggery-pokery was in order |
| [18:52:30] | [Peter]: | oh.. that sounds like a lot of fun |
| [18:52:33] | i_is_cat: | ok.... i dunno wtf but now mythweb and frontend are saying 3 episodes arent there.. but the other like 15–20 are |
| [18:52:58] | antgel: | [Peter]: i've had more fun doing some other things |
| [18:54:28] | justinh: | how the heck do those switches work then |
| [18:54:30] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:54:36] | justinh: | 5 inputs to 24 outputs |
| [18:55:08] | antgel: | i think the switches are designed to allow inputs from 4 LNBs (or at least four cables) and make them look like one cable to each flat? |
| [18:55:12] | antgel: | that's a guess |
| [18:55:14] | i_is_cat: | when i delete this episode in the frontend it disappears and about 15s later it pops back up |
| [18:55:36] | antgel: | but there were 4 cables going in, vertical 0khz, horiz 0khz, vertical 22khz, horiz 22knz |
| [18:55:42] | antgel: | that is all i can tell you |
| [18:55:57] | antgel: | perhaps i should take this saga to a mailing list or two |
| [18:57:14] | antgel: | WTF, deleted the lnb and re-added it, and suddenly mythtv appears to be scanning 10758 V / 22000 which it was /not/ doing before |
| [18:57:31] | i_is_cat: | ok finally the backend seems to be giving some more useful info.. it says: delete error '/home/user/storage/episode#.mpg eno: permission denied (13) |
| [18:58:11] | antgel: | how "interesting". watch this space. :-O |
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| [19:03:41] | justinh: | bah. need to rsync my media share to the new box but it's maxing the network out |
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| [19:04:24] | brad2: | did you get a new computer justin? |
| [19:04:35] | justinh: | ahh I need the --bwlimit option |
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| [19:04:51] | justinh: | yeah figured it was time |
| [19:04:57] | brad2: | nice! what did you get? |
| [19:05:35] | justinh: | E1500 CPU, 5 PCI slot skt 775 motherboard, nvidia 8200GS, 1GB RAM |
| [19:06:02] | justinh: | and a new case, 4 fans. need a fan controller though – it's way noisy |
| [19:07:08] | brad2: | nice, and that will play hd recordings? |
| [19:07:33] | _ben: | what case did you get? |
| [19:07:51] | justinh: | some asus thing. cheap |
| [19:08:03] | justinh: | and it's for the backend |
| [19:08:43] | justinh: | couldn't get anything lower than the 8200. or was it 8400? hrm think it was 8400 |
| [19:10:26] | PS94: | test |
| [19:10:33] | PS94: | PS94 test |
| [19:10:54] | PS94: | test |
| [19:10:55] | PS94: | PS94 test |
| [19:11:05] | justinh: | kick? ;=--) |
| [19:11:19] | iamlindoro: | sibilance |
| [19:11:22] | iamlindoro: | sibilance |
| [19:11:34] | iamlindoro: | testes, testes, one, two.... three? |
| [19:11:57] | justinh: | breath pop? |
| [19:12:37] | justinh: | wow added the --bwlimit option to the rsync & it's going faster. lol |
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| [19:16:47] | brad2: | can anyone give me some mythplugin coding help? What would a line like this do: |
| [19:17:02] | brad2: | connect(m_sitesList, SIGNAL(itemSelected(MythUIButtonListItem*)), this, SLOT( slotSiteSelected(MythUIButtonListItem*))); |
| [19:17:23] | justinh: | siteslist hmmmm? ;) |
| [19:17:58] | justinh: | no, I'm no use for that question |
| [19:18:05] | iamlindoro: | brad2: when a given item in a buttonlist is selected, pass that buttonitem to the slotSiteSelected method |
| [19:18:19] | iamlindoro: | Used in other spots to change help text, etc. |
| [19:18:34] | justinh: | not much use for much lately, since I wasted most of yesterday trying to get tzap to work when I'd forgot the -r option |
| [19:18:38] | brad2: | ahh that makes sense |
| [19:18:42] | antgel: | that was so crap. it scanned again, and found the same list of channels without the astra 2D. end of tether. going to linux-dvb mailing list unless anyone has any bright ideas |
| [19:18:45] | iamlindoro: | ie if you want something to happen in the context of a particular button, that's how you'd do it |
| [19:18:48] | brad2: | so a buttonlist being selected would be hitting "ok" on the remote? |
| [19:19:00] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [19:19:11] | iamlindoro: | the above code pertains to a button in the list being highlighted, not clicked |
| [19:19:16] | justinh: | a buttonlist *item* |
| [19:19:21] | iamlindoro: | ie you are browsing through the list |
| [19:19:24] | brad2: | ahh got it |
| [19:19:27] | brad2: | thanks |
| [19:19:30] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:20:04] | iamlindoro: | actually, I'm wrong, sorry |
| [19:20:16] | iamlindoro: | yes, when a given button is clicked/selected |
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| [19:20:30] | iamlindoro: | pass the buttonlistitem to the slotSiteSelected method |
| [19:20:56] | iamlindoro: | should have read closer in the first place, sorry about that |
| [19:21:05] | brad2: | no problem, i appreciate the help alot |
| [19:21:24] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you are looking at something like mythnews |
| [19:21:27] | brad2: | also do you know if mythnews has been updated to the latest mythui code? I'm trying to make a plugin, and i'm using it as my example to work off of |
| [19:21:30] | iamlindoro: | or the browser bookmark manager |
| [19:21:33] | brad2: | great guess :) |
| [19:21:37] | justinh: | yeah mythnews is mythui'd |
| [19:21:42] | iamlindoro: | yes, myt.... yes :) |
| [19:21:57] | justinh: | think only mythmusic is left |
| [19:22:03] | iamlindoro: | everyone seems to build off of mythnews, hmmm |
| [19:22:10] | brad2: | :) |
| [19:22:20] | brad2: | well i started trying to build off of the wiki tutorial |
| [19:22:33] | brad2: | but someone in here told me it was out of date, and suggested i try to use mythnews as a template instead |
| [19:22:36] | brad2: | and voila! |
| [19:22:37] | justinh: | the wiki tutorial is out of date unfortunately |
| [19:22:41] | iamlindoro: | Well,. it's certainly the easiest to understand, I guess |
| [19:22:42] | justinh: | hellomyth |
| [19:22:55] | iamlindoro: | and... I think it might have been me that suggested Mythnews, heh |
| [19:22:56] | justinh: | mythgame is pretty simple too IIRC |
| [19:23:08] | iamlindoro: | mythgame's tree building makes me sad, though |
| [19:23:15] | justinh: | infact none of the plugins are really rocket science though |
| [19:23:24] | justinh: | except for some parts of mythmusic |
| [19:23:25] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't want anyone to use it as a model for building a buttontree |
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| [19:24:28] | justinh: | so this scanning issue in 0.22-fixes then.. if there are no tickets open what can I assume – that as far as I can remember it's noted & will be fixed soon, or.. |
| [19:25:00] | gbee: | anyone know what potential there is for dvb drivers to offer power saving states? my cards generate a lot of heat, which means cooling even when they aren't doing anything 95% of the time |
| [19:25:15] | justinh: | gbee: just 'on demand' AFAIK |
| [19:25:27] | gbee: | justinh: report all issues |
| [19:25:56] | justinh: | gbee: roger that. wasn't sure cos I think I remember a UK dev saying they'd run into issues scanning |
| [19:26:02] | gbee: | even if someone happens to be aware of it, there is no guarantee that they will remember |
| [19:26:21] | justinh: | kk. any point using verbosity if it's not even locking? |
| [19:26:55] | gbee: | you'd have to ask Daniel, Stuart or Janne |
| [19:27:19] | justinh: | full scan failed consistently, not locking on any working (in scan) mux – but managed to make it work by adding a transport manually & scanning off that |
| [19:27:42] | justinh: | and I think the 'free to air only' setting isn't working again |
| [19:28:22] | justinh: | think it's a show-stopper at this point |
| [19:28:52] | justinh: | doubt it's driver-ish either if an existing mux scan works |
| [19:28:58] | janneg: | justinh: please try increasing the timeouts of the card |
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| [19:29:56] | justinh: | janneg: took them all the way up to 5 secs |
| [19:30:16] | justinh: | existing transport scan even works with ignore timeout unchecked |
| [19:30:25] | justinh: | it's weird |
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| [19:31:38] | gbee: | starting to appreciate what a user was whining about not that long ago, the 24/7 EIT scan doesn't help with power saving |
| [19:32:19] | gbee: | although heat generation is the main concern for me since I'm having trouble keeping this case cool |
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| [19:32:43] | justinh: | it's why I looked for a board with 5x PCI slots |
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| [19:32:50] | justinh: | so I can have gaps between cards |
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| [19:33:06] | justinh: | on the plus side, silicon tuners generate very little heat |
| [19:34:22] | iamlindoro: | curse my charcoal tuners |
| [19:35:01] | justinh: | when I went into the attic to find the spare tuner I was looking for a while before I remembered it has no can |
| [19:36:07] | justinh: | gbee: maybe you need MOARFANZ :) |
| [19:36:41] | justinh: | anyway all increasing the timeout achieved was make the scan take longer to fail |
| [19:37:17] | justinh: | so janneg is there any merit in giving verbose debug for a scan where no lock is achieved? |
| [19:38:18] | justinh: | it's gone past the first mux without finding anything |
| [19:39:38] | gbee: | I was just starting to love the fact that this machine was now silent since replacing the PSU and a HDD, more fans is going to spoil it :( |
| [19:39:54] | justinh: | tuned scan with 754166670 fails too |
| [19:40:59] | gbee: | and it's not the chipset/cpu/disks or psu which are generating the heat, they are all running at very comfortable levels with minimum cooling, it's the damn tuner cards which get sufficiently hot enough to cause burns |
| [19:41:41] | justinh: | add one new transport, freq 754166670 everything auto |
| [19:42:43] | justinh: | crap I was wrong about the ignore timeout thing. had to check that |
| [19:43:48] | justinh: | but 5secs timeout wasn't enough before. hrm |
| [19:45:07] | justinh: | trying with the tuning delay bumped up some |
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| [19:49:25] | justinh: | never looked at femon during a scan before. see how reliable SNR is :P |
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| [19:59:37] | justinh: | well, scan of existing transports locks on in < 3 secs so by that rationale a timeout of 5secs should catch it |
| [20:01:45] | justinh: | increased timeout to 7 secs & a tuned scan works |
| [20:01:46] | justinh: | jees |
| [20:01:49] | justinh: | 7 secs?! |
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| [20:02:23] | justinh: | that's ludicrous |
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| [20:03:50] | justinh: | ok so that proves the scanner is ok, or will once I've tried a full scan with that timeout value |
| [20:04:20] | justinh: | 7 seconds. maybe the settings ought to be in seconds rather than ms ;-) |
| [20:05:25] | justinh: | wonder just how many cards need daft timeout values like that |
| [20:06:12] | ** sphery really wants to svn rm oldthemes/* and themes/* ** | |
| [20:06:35] | sphery: | if users want to bring them back, they're still in the repo (just earlier versions) and then we don't have users recommending using legacy themes |
| [20:06:47] | sphery: | especially when they're all just default* themes |
| [20:07:04] | iamlindoro: | Sort of disheartening to see all the people who just want the same old stuff |
| [20:07:09] | justinh: | yeah any foo can make a menu |
| [20:07:17] | justinh: | I can see both sides though |
| [20:07:33] | iamlindoro: | especially when the same people have been bitching about blingy UI's forever |
| [20:07:37] | sphery: | right |
| [20:07:40] | Dibblah: | BTW, iplayer works (mostly) in mythweb. |
| [20:07:41] | justinh: | like we've got so damn accustomed to the PBB layout it's really hard to adjust |
| [20:07:50] | sphery: | Dibblah: you mean MythBrowser? |
| [20:07:52] | justinh: | mythbrowser |
| [20:07:53] | justinh: | ? |
| [20:07:55] | Dibblah: | Ahem. |
| [20:08:02] | Dibblah: | Forgive the brainfart :( |
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| [20:08:25] | iamlindoro: | Was just discussing how we might accomplish something MythTube'y within everyone's ToS |
| [20:08:27] | Dibblah: | Yes – With QT4.4 + the flash plugin installed. |
| [20:08:30] | sphery: | yeah, I think MythBrowser (+ a mouse) is the way to go for iPlayer, Hulu, YouTube, ... |
| [20:08:33] | iamlindoro: | have a sort of plan for that, we'll see if I get the time to try it |
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| [20:08:39] | sphery: | Qt4.5, though, right? |
| [20:08:59] | Dibblah: | fullscreen doesn't work and (obviously) it doesn't honor the audio output device. |
| [20:09:12] | sphery: | and it's Flash |
| [20:09:17] | Dibblah: | sphery: Possibly. Whatever shipped with Karmic. |
| [20:09:17] | sphery: | but we can't fix that |
| [20:09:21] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [20:09:32] | sphery: | I'm 99.99999% positive it takes 4.5 for NS plugins |
| [20:09:37] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [20:09:37] | gbee: | there is an obvious answer for those that want old themes, stick with 0.21 |
| [20:09:44] | Dibblah: | Oooooh! |
| [20:09:47] | sphery: | gbee: agreed |
| [20:09:49] | ** Dibblah sees zombies. ** | |
| [20:09:52] | gbee: | no-one is twisting their arms and forcing them to upgrade |
| [20:10:05] | sphery: | gbee: though, really, I've heard that 0.18.1 is the /only/ stable version of Myth |
| [20:10:11] | justinh: | fork! |
| [20:10:23] | ** superm1 will stop threatening people who don't upgrade ** | |
| [20:10:29] | Dibblah: | My multiseat Myth works really well. |
| [20:10:33] | Dibblah: | I am shocked. |
| [20:10:38] | justinh: | the rotating shiny spinning GANT branch |
| [20:10:46] | Dibblah: | NVidia card, touchscreen on second screen, |
| [20:11:01] | gbee: | ooh, touchscreen |
| [20:11:10] | sphery: | gbee: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/321979#321979 --I guess since 0.18.1 is the only stable version, that's why he says "f-myth-users" |
| [20:11:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro: the new layouts are too much for my mrs :( |
| [20:11:17] | Dibblah: | VDPAU on primary (projector), XV on secondary. |
| [20:11:21] | sphery: | note the date on that, too... Mar 11, 2008, 12:00 AM |
| [20:11:33] | justinh: | says it took her long enough to get used to this one :-\ |
| [20:12:05] | justinh: | and she still prefers mepo to glass-wide. we need a divorce |
| [20:12:22] | gbee: | what's he recording at that time in the morning on a Sunday? seriously? |
| [20:12:27] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Meh, people just need to start theming, then they can have all the boring gnome-skin-myththemes they want |
| [20:12:32] | Dibblah: | Both work concurrently, with separate soundcards. Configuring multiseat myth is a bit confusing, though – I now have a mysql.txt for the first time in years :( |
| [20:12:57] | janneg: | justinh: that's a DVB-T tuner? I had to increase my timeouts to 1 second from 0.5 |
| [20:12:57] | justinh: | I guess until I get of my ass again... |
| [20:13:08] | justinh: | janneg: yeah. seriously |
| [20:13:16] | justinh: | avermedia super 007 |
| [20:13:41] | justinh: | but the thing is, it gets a lock within 3 secs |
| [20:13:42] | janneg: | added after that also a minimal timeout of 1 second to the scanner |
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| [20:14:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but if they're creating gnome-skin-myththemes, just /how/ many gnomes will have to die? |
| [20:14:50] | janneg: | not sure how we can fix that. the default values for new cards are obviously too low |
| [20:14:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery: As many as possible |
| [20:15:09] | sphery: | except maybe #42 |
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| [20:15:37] | justinh: | janneg: I'll persist & continue to play with different timeout settings |
| [20:16:12] | justinh: | I honestly gave up after leaving it on 5 secs, understandably ;-) |
| [20:16:29] | justinh: | I forgot about the tuning delay setting though |
| [20:16:53] | ** CyberKnet compiles FreeSWITCH while working ** | |
| [20:18:05] | justinh: | if nothing else comes out of this, I'll try to remember to add a note in the docs & wiki about the timeout values. this is gonna catch a lot of people out – though how many have cards as crap as this .. |
| [20:19:20] | justinh: | WTH? the timeouts are high, right – but when it got to channel 56 offset 2 it locked in < 1 sec |
| [20:19:29] | justinh: | which is where the very first mux is |
| [20:19:37] | justinh: | maybe it's all in the tuning delay |
| [20:20:31] | Dibblah: | It'll be the pingpong. |
| [20:20:57] | justinh: | yup. signal timeout of 1000ms & tuning timeout of 2000ms & tuning delay of 1000msec works fine |
| [20:20:57] | Dibblah: | Some drivers implement it, some don't – It attempts to get the right center frequency. |
| [20:21:48] | justinh: | yeah like the old AFC on TVs. 166khz is nothing ;) |
| [20:22:24] | justinh: | those offsets really killed my attempts to get a windows pvr working 5 years ago |
| [20:23:03] | justinh: | this really needs documenting about the tuning timeout for scanning if it's not already |
| [20:23:06] | ** CyberKnet never tried the Windows PVRs ** | |
| [20:23:19] | justinh: | showshifter. seemed like a good idea at the time |
| [20:23:28] | CyberKnet: | My brother tried BeyondTV |
| [20:23:33] | CyberKnet: | *shrug* |
| [20:23:39] | CyberKnet: | I was always happy with MythTV |
| [20:23:57] | justinh: | I never got anything to work on windows which is how I ended up here :P |
| [20:24:16] | CyberKnet: | and what a better place to be :) |
| [20:24:40] | justinh: | I say some things about linux/ubuntu & stuff but that's nothing compared to how bitter I am about windows |
| [20:24:55] | justinh: | at least when you know nothing as a noob you stand a chance of *learning* how to get it working |
| [20:25:10] | justinh: | with windows.. erm.. hrm. driver crashy? Oh well. |
| [20:25:19] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [20:26:01] | justinh: | anyway, saved a pointless ticket, and making an arse of myself again – and might stop users falling into the same hole I did |
| [20:26:12] | justinh: | everybody wins :) |
| [20:29:15] | justinh: | Dibblah: so can that AFC/AFT effect be disabled in the driver do you know? |
| [20:29:31] | Dibblah: | Again, depends on the driver. |
| [20:29:34] | justinh: | obviously depends on the driver |
| [20:29:45] | justinh: | another case of UTSL |
| [20:29:46] | Dibblah: | Some cards do it in firmware. |
| [20:30:25] | Dibblah: | However, it shouldn't extend tuning unless you're quite far from the center freq |
| [20:30:27] | justinh: | I remember myth ran into problems when it believed the tuner driver reporting what freq. it was tuned to |
| [20:30:31] | justinh: | or something like that |
| [20:30:47] | Dibblah: | ... Which may happen with cheaper cards. |
| [20:31:11] | justinh: | oh I don't think spending money guarantees 'better' hardware at all |
| [20:31:27] | Dibblah: | No, but there is a certain correlation. |
| [20:31:46] | justinh: | I've seen cx88 cards vary in price considerably |
| [20:32:10] | Dibblah: | Yes, because the stuff in the tincan is different. |
| [20:32:52] | justinh: | dunno how anybody can justify £60 for some tuners though. single tuner card with the same chipset as a £15 Maplin job |
| [20:33:15] | brad2: | man i need another hdpvr, having one just isn't enough! |
| [20:33:28] | justinh: | anyway, got to the bottom of that little niggle. now to find a new one! |
| [20:33:39] | Dibblah: | Still with Karmic? |
| [20:33:52] | justinh: | seems to be behaving now |
| [20:34:14] | justinh: | still a little annoying with its insistence on wallet passwordery & crap |
| [20:34:34] | justinh: | seen a bug open on that |
| [20:34:45] | Dibblah: | Doesn't here. |
| [20:35:03] | justinh: | you said you'd fixed it but couldn't remember how IIRC |
| [20:35:05] | Dibblah: | First prompt for password – don't enter one, click "yes, I'm sure", all OK. |
| [20:35:13] | justinh: | done that |
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| [20:35:27] | justinh: | oh the *very* first? I never got a chance – it was set as my login |
| [20:36:45] | Dibblah: | No – the very first when it tries to create a keyring. |
| [20:37:08] | Dibblah: | Not your user password. The keyring password. |
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| [20:37:46] | justinh: | pretty sure it was already configured |
| [20:38:46] | Dibblah: | On a new install, it won't be. My original install that I upgraded already had a blank one. |
| [20:42:00] | Dibblah: | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/06/cleari . . . ome-keyring/ |
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| [20:45:19] | slowone: | Hi, probably not directly related but does anyone know what kdvb-ad-1-fe-0 is? i cant find anything about it other then bug reports with google |
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| [20:46:15] | Dibblah: | dvb card 1 frontend 0. |
| [20:46:50] | slowone: | the cards show up as proccesses now? |
| [20:47:20] | CyberKnet: | Terminator of the rings :) http://www.tvovermind.com/tv-news/joss-whedon . . . nchise/12479 |
| [20:47:20] | Dibblah: | Depends. |
| [20:47:26] | Dibblah: | Some cards. |
| [20:48:02] | Dibblah: | Also, that's a name of a keylogging executable commonly used by the FBI. |
| [20:48:11] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [20:48:12] | slowone: | heh |
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| [20:48:37] | slowone: | ;p i am trying to trace down why my backend is sitting at .5 when idle... never use to do that :/ |
| [20:48:45] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Which is? |
| [20:49:02] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression they were still using DIRT |
| [20:49:32] | Dibblah: | .5 what? |
| [20:49:56] | slowone: | cpu load |
| [20:50:03] | Dibblah: | loadavg? |
| [20:50:14] | Dibblah: | loadavg != CPU load. |
| [20:50:28] | slowone: | ya (well yes io load too) |
| [20:50:31] | tbone: | hello, SO when i exit myth my keyboard gets boarked like the up arrow key goes to capture, only happens when i load myth, ideas? |
| [20:51:07] | Dagmar: | Which is it, when myth is running or when it isnt? |
| [20:51:26] | tbone: | gets borked when its running and after it exits |
| [20:51:37] | tbone: | but before entering works fine |
| [20:51:49] | Dagmar: | Sounds like osmething is wrong with X then |
| [20:52:08] | Dagmar: | If you have a "normal" keyboard, Myth doesn't (afaik) actually remap anything |
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| [20:52:42] | tbone: | ok was just checking if anyone heard of some problem here, thanks! |
| [20:52:50] | Dagmar: | Not sure what might be trying to remap keys tho |
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| [21:28:59] | wagnerrp: | has anyone else been hitting 100% cpu on the main menu of mythtv? |
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| [21:30:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah... happens with some themes and some processors |
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| [21:31:49] | wagnerrp: | just bumped myth last night, and noticed one machine had been pulling 100% for the last 16 hours in cacti |
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| [21:33:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: It's MythTV's new seasonal themes. You've chosen a winter theme that helps to keep your house warm. |
| [21:34:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, yeah, as I just posted /3/ separate things about that |
| [21:34:22] | sphery: | (the duplicate column default_authority failure due to invalid restores) |
| [21:34:27] | wagnerrp: | something to do with the 'Unknown widget type' error? |
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| [21:35:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, terra is much more behaved |
| [21:36:03] | Chaot: | hello everybody |
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| [21:36:51] | sphery: | Chaot: How did you restore your 0.21-fixed database? Binary restore (copied the binary DB data files into the mysql/mythtconverg directory) or SQL restore (using the output of mysqldump)? |
| [21:36:59] | sphery: | er, 0.21-fixes |
| [21:37:22] | Chaot: | drop database and restored it by my own mysqldump |
| [21:37:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: likely not related to unknown widget type |
| [21:38:11] | sphery: | Chaot: well, the DROP didn't work as you had a channelscan_dtv_multiplex even after the drop |
| [21:38:15] | Chaot: | the dump i created before upgrade |
| [21:38:20] | sphery: | Chaot: do you still have the 0.21-fixes backup? |
| [21:38:30] | Chaot: | yes |
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| [21:39:08] | sphery: | Chaot: please read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore and restore using the restore script. It does sanity checks |
| [21:40:00] | Chaot: | the channelscan_dtv_multiplex is a new table in 0.22? |
| [21:40:53] | sphery: | yep |
| [21:41:07] | sphery: | if it was in your 0.21-fixes schema you had patches applied that broke your schema |
| [21:41:45] | Chaot: | ok .. know i know whats the problem thank you |
| [21:42:36] | sphery: | Chaot: BTW, your timing is impeccable--I had just sent http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/20 . . . /059922.html and http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /268785.html within 30 minutes before you asked |
| [21:43:05] | sphery: | Chaot: care to explain what caused it for you? |
| [21:43:14] | sphery: | Chaot: if you did the DROP, it should have worked. |
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| [21:44:51] | Chaot: | lol thats timing thx sphery |
| [21:45:14] | sphery: | so what caused it for you? |
| [21:45:37] | sphery: | was it patches? If so, I'd be interested to know which--as we've been getting a lot of reports of this issue. |
| [21:46:41] | Chaot: | i dont know exactly i used 0.21-fixed build scripts from archlinux aur |
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| [21:47:15] | Chaot: | but i tried an early 0.22 svn version some time ago maybe there i did something wrong with the backup |
| [21:47:27] | sphery: | ok |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | if that's the case, you may have gotten the corruption I mentioned back then |
| [21:47:55] | Chaot: | yes that could be |
| [21:48:00] | sphery: | i.e. if your DB tables are the wrong version |
| [21:48:16] | sphery: | I have no idea what impact that would have |
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| [21:48:24] | sphery: | if you'd like to clean it up, you can do a "partial restore" |
| [21:48:37] | sphery: | corruption is the one reason to use partial restores |
| [21:48:52] | sphery: | I can give you a copy of a blank 0.21-fixes DB to use for your partial restore |
| [21:49:21] | Chaot: | you dont need i have one |
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| [21:50:41] | decke: | wagnerrp: i've played a bit with 0.22rc2 on FreeBSD and it compiles fine now |
| [21:51:02] | Chaot: | thx i need a new cup of coffe and try it ;) |
| [21:51:26] | wagnerrp: | you figure out why it was linking in the wrong libs? |
| [21:52:57] | brad2: | is a qVariant used so that you can hold whatever type of data you want? as opposed to specifically declaring an int? |
| [21:53:11] | decke: | wagnerrp: i've solved it a bit different ... patched configure so that it finds headers in /usr/local/include and therefor i haven't used EXTRA_CFLAGS |
| [21:53:34] | decke: | wagnerrp: just had one compile error in mythtranscode then... http://bsdpaste.bsdgroup.de/7660 |
| [21:53:42] | decke: | but that was easy... |
| [21:53:48] | decke: | just a missing include for FreeBSD |
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| [21:55:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall mythtranscode failing to compile ever |
| [21:55:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: The last guess on the 100% CPU was that it was due to some weird combination of alphapulse, shapes, and the image stuff (and potentially video drivers and/or renderers). What type of CPU are you using? IIRC, all the past ones were relatively low-powered CPUs, though some older but "real" CPU's (like Athlon XP's and Pentium 4's) did fine. |
| [21:56:04] | wagnerrp: | 5050e, full load, 1 core |
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| [21:56:46] | Hiisty: | does 0.22 frontend work with 0.21 backend? |
| [21:57:00] | wagnerrp: | went to full load when it hit the main menu |
| [21:57:05] | wagnerrp: | Hiisty: no |
| [21:57:21] | decke: | wagnerrp: programs/mythtranscode/mpeg2fix.cpp is using S_IRWXU which is defined in sys/stat.h on FreeBSD |
| [21:57:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is an all or nothing thing |
| [21:57:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: strange... it's higher powered than my CPU's that work fine. |
| [21:58:19] | decke: | svn.mythtv.org is not working for me right now so i cannot tell you when this change was made... |
| [21:58:48] | wagnerrp: | decke: apparently i had already made that change some months back |
| [21:58:51] | Hiisty: | wagnerrp: hmm there is no 0.22 on fedoras repos, if i update it with svn will it work? |
| [21:58:59] | wagnerrp: | im surprised 'svn diff' didnt pick up the change |
| [21:59:32] | wagnerrp: | Hiisty: all operational instances of mythtv need to run the same backend protocol revision and database schema |
| [21:59:39] | wagnerrp: | however you wish to accomplish that is fine |
| [22:00:11] | decke: | would be good to get that commited then |
| [22:00:16] | Hiisty: | wagnerrp: ok, i ment that will upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22 work nicely? |
| [22:00:28] | wagnerrp: | it picks up the change running diff now, i dont know what it didnt earlier |
| [22:00:52] | wagnerrp: | Hiisty: assuming you dont have any issues with your database, yes |
| [22:01:13] | Hiisty: | ok, i'll give it a try |
| [22:01:27] | wagnerrp: | remember to back up your database |
| [22:02:04] | Hiisty: | ok |
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| [22:11:35] | Wicked: | hmm. is svn.mythtv.org down for anyone else? |
| [22:12:20] | oobe: | |
| [22:13:00] | brad2: | wicked: yes |
| [22:13:03] | Wicked: | oh wait. its starting to go....very very very laggy |
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| [22:15:55] | Wicked: | hmm. any ideas what mythtv wants to enable alsa? i cant seem to find a alsa dev package in ubuntu... |
| [22:16:17] | Wicked: | i see libalsaplayer-dev, libalsa-ocaml-dev, alsa-firmware, and libclalsadrv-dev |
| [22:16:49] | Wicked: | and should i even bother with alsa if pulseaudio is supported? |
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| [22:17:22] | Wicked: | when i run configure on mythtv pulse and oss show up as yes..all others say no |
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| [22:20:38] | luker: | Hello experts, I want to cut the commercials out of my recordings. The cutlists are prepared and seem to work (commercials get skipped when watching recordings). I have successfully used ffmpeg on a file using |
| [22:20:41] | luker: | "ffmpeg -i input.nuv -vcodec copy output.mpeg" |
| [22:21:41] | luker: | mpeg is the wrong extension here, I suppose. But the test was successful since ffmpeg created a new file without displaying any errors. |
| [22:21:45] | wagnerrp: | you have a framegrabber? |
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| [22:22:21] | wagnerrp: | typically users will have mpegs from a encoder card or digital tuner |
| [22:22:38] | luker: | How do I set up Mythtv to use the ffmpeg command and the cut-list? |
| [22:22:45] | wagnerrp: | and just use lossless transcoding, using the built in mythtranscode to clip commercials |
| [22:22:59] | wagnerrp: | you have to write a script to do so |
| [22:23:09] | wagnerrp: | and then you have to add the script as a userjob in the jobqueue |
| [22:23:24] | wagnerrp: | see the page on the wiki for a list of available inputs |
| [22:24:02] | luker: | wagnerrp: What page do you refer to? |
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| [22:24:21] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue page on the wiki |
| [22:24:39] | luker: | wagnerrp: thanks |
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| [22:38:51] | d3f4ultr0: | good afternoon folks. Is it possible to feed our mythtv from outside like from hddvd, bluray, dvd player? This way, I'll be able to use my X resolution. |
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| [22:42:44] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [22:43:23] | SpaceBass: | I've got a problem with mythweb – it cannot seem to find my recorded tv shows – the flash payer says stream not found and the the asx and direct download say file not found |
| [22:43:48] | SpaceBass: | I've checked both the myth and apache logs and dont see anything glaring – I suspected that mod_rewrite was not loaded, but it is |
| [22:45:56] | xand: | SpaceBass: check that the recordings symlink/directory is correct in the mythweb data folder |
| [22:46:55] | justinh: | d3f4ultr0: you should know that's not a good idea. |
| [22:47:06] | SpaceBass: | xand, ah-ha...there does not appear to be a sym link of any kind in /var/www/mythweb |
| [22:47:14] | SpaceBass: | I thought there was supposed to be one as well |
| [22:47:20] | xand: | in the data folder? |
| [22:47:41] | justinh: | d3f4ultr0: even if it was possible to stuff HDCP protected HDMI (e.g. from a bluray player) into a PC & use it in mythtv... |
| [22:47:43] | xand: | I have /var/www/mythveb/data/recordings -> /var/lib/mythtv |
| [22:47:54] | xand: | I think |
| [22:48:03] | SpaceBass: | xand, I have that as well, but /var/lib/mythtv is empty, its not where I store recordings |
| [22:48:10] | xand: | oh |
| [22:48:21] | SpaceBass: | this was working, ... wonder if an update overwrote my settings |
| [22:48:31] | SpaceBass: | should that symlink point to my actual recordings directory? |
| [22:49:16] | justinh: | myers |
| [22:49:25] | xand: | 3mine doesn't, it points to its parent |
| [22:49:27] | xand: | -3 |
| [22:50:11] | SpaceBass: | parent? I'll try that |
| [22:50:23] | justinh: | ooo mythtvthemes.co.uk is about to be suspended. it's only been off for like.. how long? meh |
| [22:50:48] | SpaceBass: | nope, still didnt fix it |
| [22:52:14] | xand: | apache's error log should say what file doesn't exist |
| [22:52:17] | xand: | and thus where it is looking |
| [22:52:26] | xand: | well |
| [22:52:45] | SpaceBass: | xand, Id have thought so as well, I don't see anything in error.log |
| [22:53:27] | xand: | what is the actual error in browser? |
| [22:53:34] | SpaceBass: | 1081_20091101210000.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. |
| [22:54:20] | SpaceBass: | (and that file does exist in /local/media/Myth/recordings |
| [22:55:05] | oobe: | |
| [22:57:04] | oobe: | |
| [22:57:04] | oobe: | |
| [22:57:30] | iamlindoro: | oobe: are you aware you're doing that? |
| [22:57:35] | iamlindoro: | the empty sends? |
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| [22:58:06] | oobe: | yes im just being silly |
| [22:58:20] | iamlindoro: | ... super |
| [22:58:26] | oobe: | could look like a mistake |
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| [22:58:56] | oobe: | it was my cunning ruse to get attention |
| [22:58:58] | iamlindoro: | would be much less obnoxious if it had been |
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| [22:59:21] | oobe: | i know i was tempted to say woops it was a mistake |
| [22:59:50] | SpaceBass: | xand, I'd think it was a permissions issue if not for the empty error.log |
| [23:00:00] | xand: | SpaceBass: looking at the source, it gets the directory to look in using: SELECT DISTINCT dirname FROM storagegroup |
| [23:00:14] | xand: | there won't be any apache errors as it's not apache looking for the file |
| [23:00:20] | xand: | there's a perl program that does the streaming |
| [23:00:32] | SpaceBass: | i do see the error in mythbackend.log |
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| [23:02:29] | SpaceBass: | does that script run as the mythtv user? |
| [23:03:01] | xand: | umm |
| [23:04:57] | xand: | no, webserver user |
| [23:05:45] | SpaceBass: | ok |
| [23:05:55] | SpaceBass: | my myth directory is 777 anyway |
| [23:06:16] | d3f4ultr0: | justinh, just got back. Why isn't a good idea? |
| [23:06:46] | d3f4ultr0: | what if not mythtv, just use htpc as a passthrough? |
| [23:07:21] | d3f4ultr0: | it's because, my X is currently set at 1920x880. This resolution filled my entired screen as compared when I was using 1920x1080 |
| [23:08:26] | xand: | SpaceBass: well if you can do a bit of perl you could alter handler.pl to write the filename its trying to open and more verbose errors to a file. |
| [23:09:01] | SpaceBass: | sadly Im not much of a coder – but it ought to just work, there's not much custom to my setup |
| [23:09:06] | xand: | or alter the error message |
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| [23:09:22] | xand: | well you changed your storage location,it's probably that |
| [23:09:47] | SpaceBass: | but it was working for months |
| [23:09:50] | SpaceBass: | in that location |
| [23:10:23] | xand: | you didn't change anything? |
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| [23:10:57] | SpaceBass: | only thing I can think of is my weekly apt update |
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| [23:12:19] | SpaceBass: | interesting, there is an extra / in the url (removing it doesnt change anything) |
| [23:12:29] | xand: | that won't usually matter |
| [23:12:36] | xand: | unix doesn't care about them |
| [23:14:41] | SpaceBass: | hummm this is about where I get fustrated everytime I try and fix this issue :D |
| [23:14:53] | SpaceBass: | think I'll take a breather – thanks for the help and thoughts! |
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| [23:55:44] | AndrewNC: | the IR blasting capability of those MCE usb kits... does the IR thing have to be right on the receiver, or do they have a little range? |
| [23:58:09] | jams: | they have a little bit of range |
| [23:58:10] | sphery: | in theory anything that says "blaster" has a good range |
| [23:58:19] | sphery: | anything that says "transmitter" may or may not have a range |
| [23:58:29] | jams: | the cable doesn't really allow for anything but sticking it directly on. |
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| [23:59:40] | AndrewNC: | I was thinking angle it behind the stand |
| [23:59:44] | AndrewNC: | at the wall mounted tv |
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