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Sunday, November 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

Like I said, it's not an arbitrary value-- signal is good enough to lock or it's not

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brockp:

so powered amp/splitter is what I need? My splitter must be real crap, s/n is >95% when not though the splitter,

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iamlindoro:

turning the amount to 55 wouldn't allow it to lock

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Dagmar:

Someone's greivously mistaken about the relationships between these numbers

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brockp:

what do I need to look for in a am?

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iamlindoro:

yes, your only hope if you must split is to have a powered amp

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brockp:

any recomendations?

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iamlindoro:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-Drop-Amp-BOOST-CABLE- . . . em414a1c64ea

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brockp:

thanks,

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iamlindoro:

np

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brockp:

will do some more research, thanks for the input on the s/n ratio

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wagnerrp:

brockp: 'locking' generally means it has a marginal enough signal that it has decipherable TS header packets

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get that, then there is nothing to decode/display

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, almost back to 0 recordings-- guess I'll have to actually code tonight... or play uncharted 2

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youknowme:

When I go into Manage Recordings>Delete Recordings and start rapidly deleting recordings, they disappear like they've been deleted but then they show back up again :/

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ffeingol:

I've just upgraded to .22 RC 1. I'm trying to switch to using the internal dvd player for ripped DVD's When I click on 'play' it does nothing. From the frontend log it looks like it's looking at the dvd drive and not the ripped .iso. Do I need to pass some parameter to the internal player?

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wagnerrp:

are these accessed through a local disk or nfs? or do you have them in a storage group?

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ffeingol:

local disk. Front end and back end on the same box (for now). Yes, I setup storage groups. I believe the SG's are working as I'm getting a listing of the DVD's

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wagnerrp:

so youre streaming them from the backend using storage groups, not having the frontend access the files directly....

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wagnerrp:

you should read the mythvideo transition guide, it will explain how to fix your issue

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wagnerrp:

its on the wiki, linked to at the top of the mythvideo page

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ffeingol:

I'll go read it again. yes, I've been there, just have missed sothing

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wagnerrp:

it explains plain as day what you need to do

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ffeingol:

if you say so :-) I'm still not seeing what I'm missing

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ffeingol:

I assume this is what you are referring to: SO/VIDEO_TS Playback does not presently work in Storage Groups (Fix planned for .23)

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wagnerrp:

correct

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ffeingol:

I missed the "I" in the copy

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wagnerrp:

which means you need to revert back to the old manner of accessing files

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ffeingol:

ok. Great fun and joy

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bobbies:

Is there a DB for TV shows like TMDB?

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bobbies:

Also my TMDB is not pulling the covers when it pulls the rest of the data

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wagnerrp:

bobbies: thetvdb.org and ttvdb.py

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wagnerrp:

0.22 will automatically decide which to use

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bobbies:

what about .21?

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mangus580:

evening guys

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mangus580:

building a mythtv front end box

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mangus580:

debating on the drive for the OS

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mangus580:

bouncing between a thumb drive, compact flash card, network boot, or regular hard drive

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mangus580:

you guys have a preference?

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FisherPrice701:

I +1 a small partition for the OS <20G then have all the vids etc recorded to a separate partition

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wagnerrp:

bobbies: 0.21 can only use a single grabber

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wagnerrp:

you can select what grabber that is, but there is no intelligence to decide for different media

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wagnerrp:

FisherPrice701: this is a frontend-only box, there is no vids/recordings/music/anything

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FisherPrice701:

oh

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mangus580:

thanks wagnerrp

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mangus580:

my backend is already running

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FisherPrice701:

well then that's different

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mangus580:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

i use network boot for everything

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wagnerrp:

but then i have it set up such that i can clone off new frontends in a couple minutes

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mangus580:

network boot looked too compliated for me

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mangus580:

complicated that is

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FisherPrice701:

yeah... I've toyed with the idea of selling the complete home entertainment systems complete with mythtv's in every room through dumb terminals

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wagnerrp:

a thumb drive 4GB or larger would work

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mangus580:

doesnt network boot still use something like a usb drive to get it started?

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wagnerrp:

similar with CF cards

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wagnerrp:

anything less than that, and you have to do some finessing to get modern distros to fit

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wagnerrp:

network boot starts from a EEPROM

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wagnerrp:

a small chunk of boot data soldered onto your network card

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mangus580:

right

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wagnerrp:

it does not need a usb drive to get it started

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mangus580:

i might have read something someplace that was misleading

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mangus580:

so where might I find a good network boot how-to?

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wagnerrp:

what distro?

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mangus580:

well I guess that brings up another good question... which is prefered?

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wagnerrp:

what are you comfortable with?

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mangus580:

I have used both ubuntu and fedora

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mangus580:

currently running fedora for my server

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wagnerrp:

if you have mythbuntu on your backend

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mangus580:

just wasnt sure if mythtv ran better on one vs the other

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mangus580:

backend is on the fedora server

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wagnerrp:

they have some facility to automatically set up network boot

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wagnerrp:

ive never used it though

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mangus580:

which? fedora?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if fedora has anything similar

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mangus580:

k

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu

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mangus580:

can I use mythbuntu for a front end?

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Dagmar:

Assuming you can get the same version running on the backend, sure

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wagnerrp:

you can run whatever you want, but you want to use the same version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

technically, as long as they have the same schema and protocol revision, they should work

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wagnerrp:

but its preferred to have as close to the same revision as possible

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mangus580:

I am guessing for my sanity, it might be best to use a usb drive for my front end

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wagnerrp:

its probably the simplest

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mangus580:

would compact flash be faster than a usb drive?

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wagnerrp:

only if your board has a CF slot

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mangus580:

was looking at a sata-cf adapter

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wagnerrp:

you can get a $10 CF card and a $20 adapter, or a $10 usb stick

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mangus580:

right, but if a CF and adapter is 5 times faster... it makes more sense

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wagnerrp:

is it?

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mangus580:

I dont know

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mangus580:

I am reading that CF is much faster than an SD card

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wagnerrp:

seems midrange CF cards are ~40MB/s, while midrange USB drives are ~30MB/s

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mangus580:

probably not really worth it then

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mangus580:

other than not having a usb stick out the back of the box

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FisherPrice701:

that's a big concideration

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mangus580:

my case has memory card slots, I thought of using an obscure card that wont ever use

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wagnerrp:

are they actually separate drives?

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wagnerrp:

cheaper units only have one 'drive' for each slot

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tjcarter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.d . . . mp;viewitem=

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tjcarter:

driver not included, thankfully.

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mangus580:

I guess now its down to 4gb or 8gb

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wilbur-d:

i moved to .22 yesterday and everything is going good except i can't get my frontend to add new videos. is there anything special or different with .22?

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wagnerrp:

see the mythvideo transition guide

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wagnerrp:

top of the mythvideo entry on the wiki

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wilbur-d:

ok, thanks. i'll look into it

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wilbur-d:

thanks, didn't realize you had to hit 'M' to scan for changes now

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wilbur-d:

that did it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, and it no longer prompts to delete stuff

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wilbur-d:

ah, good to know. thanks for the help. should have checked wiki first

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waxhead:

has any done an upgrade on mythbuntu yet?

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eFfeM:

hi, with my own build mythtv frontend on opensuses I get: ERROR: But MythTV has not been compiled with Pulse Audio disabling support. EXITING!

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eFfeM:

I have tried both with and without pulseaudio compiled in but this does not make a difference

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eFfeM:

anyone an idea how to overcome this ?

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eFfeM:

(opensuse 11.2 rc1, mythfronted branches/release-0-22-fixes [22680]

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clever:

uninstall pulse audio from the system

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clever:

its evil:P

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clever:

if mythtv detects any trace of pulse, it will refuse to work, it seems to cause alot of sync problems

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eFfeM:

clever: will try it is there in opensuse by default apparently (and the .21 version on the suse feed seems did work)

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clever:

pulse may not actualy be in use, just sitting there and doing nothing

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eFfeM:

it is running, i already tried to kill it but it resurfaces,will uninstall most of it (if I uninstall libpulse0 it will uninstall 119 other packages including mplayer)

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eFfeM:

clever, cool that helped!

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eFfeM:

thanks alot

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luke_:

I was running 0.22 no problems now all of a sudden when i start frontend I get: mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings

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cesman:

luke_: restart the backend

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** tjcarter restarts cesman **

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tjcarter:

cesman: I never did figure out how to restart the BE on R6

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hads:

Pulse is not evil, and, "if mythtv detects any trace of pulse, it will refuse to work" is not actually accurate.

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tjcarter:

cesman: I wanna remap some remote buttons without breaking the R6 upgrade cycle. How do I do this?

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wagnerrp:

pulse is not evil, pulse is incomplete

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wagnerrp:

but the second half of that statement is correct

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hads:

It's not.

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hads:

It was at one stage of devel but not any longer.

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wagnerrp:

if myth detects pulse running, it will try to turn it off, and failing that, will shut down itself

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hads:

So, it's not accurate.

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv will refuse to run if pulseaudio is running, its correct

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hads:

*shrug* say what you will

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: i did not discovere how to build the system in such a way that it will shut pulse off

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wagnerrp:

configure should set that up automatically if it is built on a system with the proper headers

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janneg:

eFfeM: could you try if http://www.jannau.net/mythtv/mythplugins_wo_qtopengl.diff fixes the plugins build without qtopengl?

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: configure says PulseAudio yes, but even that version failed (had to install libpulse-devel first)

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eFfeM:

janneg: will do in a bit, first breakfast

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eFfeM:

janneg: will report back

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janneg:

eFfeM: sure take your time. I won't have much time today

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mtrelins:

ok so i took the advice of someone in the channel, got playback working flawlessly on mythtv-master server, now having trouble with frame tearing on mythtv-slave

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mtrelins:

any advice?

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mtrelins:

cpu usage is low, memory utilization is low

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mtrelins:

top reports mythfrontend.real is getting 29% of the cpu (amd 64 x2 3ghz) and 12% of the ram (2gb)

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mtrelins:

internal dvd player has frame tearing too

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mtrelins:

but mythvideo does not

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cesman:

tjcarter: #linhes please

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mtrelins:

if i have 0.22 on remote frontend

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mtrelins:

can i leave 0.21 as server?

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mtrelins:

should i fresh install ubuntu 9.10 (currently 9.04)

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cesman:

mtrelins: no, you cannot

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cesman:

mtrelins: all versions must speak the same protocol

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mtrelins:

damn

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mtrelins:

best to use 64bit ubuntu or 32bit?

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mtrelins:

have 64 bit processor

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mtrelins:

any good way to back up my stuff?

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messerting:

mtrelins: you might consider mondo-rescue

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mtrelins:

for backing up my recorded tv?

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mtrelins:

my mythbackend is fine

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mtrelins:

i just want to upgrade to 0.22

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mtrelins:

and keep my recorded shows

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mtrelins:

doable?

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messerting:

mtrelins: oh, for that there are some .pl scripts I guess

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hads:

Just upgrade

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mtrelins:

i heard on the ubuntu forums not to upgrade

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messerting:

yes, mythtv will upgrade the database for you

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mtrelins:

best to do a clean install?

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messerting:

even take a backup first automatically I think

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messerting:

best to check with the gurus first

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mtrelins:

who are the gurus?

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mtrelins:

did bob2x get fixed in 0.22?

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mtrelins:

i get a split screen effect in 0.21

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cesman:

mtrelins: mythtv will backup the db for you when upgrading to 0.22

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cesman:

mtrelins: as I don't use ubuntu, I cannot give you specifics on it

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mtrelins:

ok

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mtrelins:

but iyo is it worth trying the upgrade? did some playback tweaks get made?

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cesman:

asumming to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

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cesman:

then just run mythtv-setup or the backend and it will upgrade the db for you

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cesman:

they maybe some minor configurations changes you may need to do

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cesman:

for instance, fanart, etc.

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cesman:

again, I cannot give you specifics as I don't use ubuntu

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hads:

That part isn't Ubuntu specific though.

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hads:

i.e. setting up storage groups in mythtv-setup

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cesman:

right

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hads:

There shouldn't be a problem upgrading from one Ubuntu release to another.

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hads:

But if you don't want to then you'll need to backup your database and files then restore them after reintalling.

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mtrelins:

myth 0.22 went with pgsql?

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hads:

No

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mchou:

wth is the fixation with pgsql?

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mchou:

mysql not fat enough for you already?

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mtrelins:

no i'm happy

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mtrelins:

i don't like mysql

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** hads likes psql **

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** mtrelins likes psql **

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mchou:

that doesnt answer the question

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mtrelins:

if i follow this general idea i should upgrade ok? http://www.mythbuntu.org/Upgrading

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hads:

Yeah you should be fine

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mtrelins:

i shouldn't need to upgrade ubuntu eh?

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mtrelins:

just mythtv

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hads:

You don't have to I guess.

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hads:

Though I've not tried 0.22 on 9.04 I believe it works fine.

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mtrelins:

ok

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hads:

By the way, there's also #ubuntu-mythtv for these types of questions.

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mtrelins:

oh

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hads:

:)

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Dassu:

Has somebody figured out how to make mythstream to work similar way as liveTV. I want to be able to rewind back to the spot when I started watching the stream.

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luke_:

I get: mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings

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luke_:

I restarted but same problem

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Dassu:

luke_: did you also restart backend and verify that no other program is using your TVcard ?

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luke_:

Dassu, I restarted the whole box

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phjr:

hello folks, anybody know something about mythtv-sc plugin?

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luke_:

anyone have any ideas? can I post my logs somewhere?

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]Oscar:

luke_: I'm having the same problem (version 22600), but retrying sometimes it works...

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luke_:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m158c93f2

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luke_:

if anyone can take a look I would really appreciate it, I am complete noob to mythtv

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luke_:

some of my movies have wrong artwork in mythvideo, how do i fix it?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. anyone tell me how i play a dvd on my backend from a frontend running on a different machine?

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eFfeM:

janneg: i tried your patches and all builds (except zoneminder, because it is missing some sql files but that is a different issue, and mythmusic because I need the cdparanioa lib); still need to try on the target (guess it'll be tomorrow before I can do that)

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eFfeM:

thanks alot for your patch

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Pwen:

hi all. anyone here using pulseaudio with mythbuntu?

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brad2:

hi pwen, i tried it with fedora, but it was causing me too many audio problems

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brad2:

for me it was much easier to just get rid of pulseaudio

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Pwen:

I was hoping you wouldnt say that

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Pwen:

I have everything in pulse working except actually outputting the sound to my spdif

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brad2:

i would like to follow that up with, there are people a ton more knowledgable than me in the chan

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brad2:

i'm more of a newb just trying to make myth work, so i took the path of least resistance

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Pwen:

yeah

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Pwen:

I really want to use pulseaudio – I use it with ubuntu and I like it a lot

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brad2:

what do you like about it?

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Pwen:

I can plug in my usb sound card and move the audio output over to it when I need to

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Pwen:

I can use projectm which is an audio visualisation software, great for parties

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brad2:

sounds cool, i hope you get it working :)

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Pwen:

thanks

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eFfeM:

janneg, fyi added an additional patch to ticket 7317 (concerning sysroot)

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone remember the website that was tracking ION boards as they came out? I'm looking to find a detailed list of ION based motherboards out now

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ionbased.com

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msaul_:

I installed Mythbuntu 9.10 and running on my system. Is there a bug when trying to delete a recording?

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msaul_:

In my prior version (9.04), when deleting recording, it would show disk usage...

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msaul_:

In 9.10, it seems that is just goes to view recording screen...

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iamlindoro:

Everything that was represented on the "delete recordings" screen is now representable on the watch recordings screen, thus it was removed

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iamlindoro:

including disk usage, if your themer puts it there

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iamlindoro:

Example: http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/PBB.png

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msaul_:

I'm using the Mythbuntu Wide Theme. Is there a URL with instructions on how to remove the recording?

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msaul_:

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

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iamlindoro:

press D, or press I and then scroll down to "Delete"

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iamlindoro:

where I = the default binding for INFO

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msaul_:

OK, I will give that a try... Thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

Both of those are with the recording in question selected

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iamlindoro:

np

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msaul_:

That works like a charm – thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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msaul_:

I am using Mythbuntu theme, are there any others that you highly recommend?

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iamlindoro:

There are not too many themes available for MythUI yet-- pretty much all that exist and are publicly available come with Myth at the moment

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iamlindoro:

But you can keep checking the themes page on the wiki for new ones

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msaul_:

OK, will do. I got clobbered on upgrade, but after tweaking, got new install to work. Here is a link to my blog discussing it for anyothers that have same hardware: http://murraysaul.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/my . . . -experience/

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olejl:

I have a big problem with "Video frame buffering failed too many times". every 5–30 minutes my playback exits and the error message pops up. Her I have the frontend log where this is happening 4 times during 1.5 hours. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1651596

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olejl:

I can see this message just before it starts going bad: "RingBuffer::Reset() nonzero readpos.Â toAdjust: 1 readpos: 188 readAdjust: 425638016". Have anyone else seen this?

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[Peter]:

hm, channels broadcasting in progressive modes seems to be broken with the latest 0.22-fixes. seems as video is playing half speed and the audio stutters

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olejl:

I'm running 0.22 fixes and r22642

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[Peter]:

same thing with both the standard decoder and VDPAU decoder.. deinterlacer settings doesn't seem to affect it

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OpenSourceBrad:

Hello

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OpenSourceBrad:

I've been wanting to make myself a myth-TV pc but i really don't know where to start, I was hoping to find a dedicated OC for myth-tv, could anyone help set me stright?

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OpenSourceBrad:

os*

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olejl:

I would suggest using Mythbuntu

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olejl:

OpenSourceBrad: http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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OpenSourceBrad:

Alright, do you have any tips or advice befor i venture into myth tv?

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olejl:

What are you planing to do? Watching TV only?

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OpenSourceBrad:

actully, i was hoping to find a replacement for my cable tv, Due to my home only has 2 satalight recivers

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OpenSourceBrad:

the household converted from cable to satalight

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wagnerrp:

still no svideo IONs?

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XLV:

wagnerrp, you want some ion mb/sff with svideo out?

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XLV:

you can get svideo out from vga

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wagnerrp:

no you cant

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wagnerrp:

you can get svideo out from a vga port custom wired to use a couple of the pins for svideo

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wagnerrp:

the svideo and vga signals are in no way compatible

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wagnerrp:

ive not heard anything one way or another whether any of those systems are set up in such a manner

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XLV:

no, a conversion is needed, but you can

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XLV:

google for vga to svideo converter

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wagnerrp:

a conversion... meaning a $50 scan converter that is going to look like crap anyway?

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XLV:

well, yeah, but svideo was never a quality solution

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wagnerrp:

svideo looks just fine on an old SD CRT

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XLV:

even if ion supported svideo, quality would be not good

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wagnerrp:

im just looking for a little box to put next to a couple TVs in the house

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XLV:

wagnerrp, depends.. i used it for a while connecting the htpc to a crt tv, for games/movies it was ok, for the desktop it reminded me of old amiga flickering days

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wagnerrp:

thats because its a low resolution interlaced display, of little use for desktop purposes

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darther:

Hi i need some guide to set up lirc with my homebrew receiver, which is not in list of devices... thank for reply

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wagnerrp:

what list of devices? the list of lirc supported devices?

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XLV:

wagnerrp, in any case, i dont think a 50$ converter will deteriorate the quality much

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wagnerrp:

some 'device' manager type program specific to your distro?

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darther:

wagnerrp: yes there are commercial products only. i have config file for my remote

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darther:

wagnerrp: im using mythbuntu

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XLV:

as for ions with svideo out, i dont think its going to happen, atx io panel has that much real estate to accomodate connectors, and anyways analog outs are not a high priority for manufs atm.. even on gpus many new ones dont even support tvout at all, even component out

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wagnerrp:

there has been plenty of room on every IO panel ive ever seen on an ION system

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wagnerrp:

i mean it only takes a half inch square

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darther:

wagnerrp: mythbuntu control center list of devices i mean, so can i set up it manually (edit config liles of lirc)? because "irw" command dont work now it looks like no lirc process are runnng

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wagnerrp:

you need to go to #lirc, #ubuntu, or #mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

theyll explain the proper procedure for getting a serial port receiver running

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darther:

wagnerrp: ok thanks

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messerting:

Hi, I'm using video and sound over HDMI, and things work quite well for recordings and livetv when I don't use the internal controls and set audio to "ALSA:hdmi"

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messerting:

however, if I try to play DVD (directly, or from .iso), I only get static noise

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messerting:

so, I've re-enabled the internal controls, and use "ALSA:default", and now DVD sort of works, but livetv is not that smooth anymore

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messerting:

and I get stuff like "Audio 95436648 ms behind video but already 180 video frames queued. AV-Sync might be broken."

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messerting:

the logs also show "ALSA, Warning: mmap not available, attempting to fall back to slow writes."

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messerting:

btw, I use 0.22-fixes from yesterdays svn

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darther:

must be database refreshed if i copy some new videos to its folder?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

what version?

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Memphisau:

I seem to recall my setup doing it automatically today, I've recently put 0.22 on my system

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wagnerrp:

0.21 used to automatically scan when you entered the video manager

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Memphisau:

the video manager is become irrelevant now.. apparently

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Memphisau:

*becoming

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, the video manager is obsolete, and you scan through the 'm' menu

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Memphisau:

yeah, now they want you to use menu key -> 'scan for media'

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Memphisau:

or something to that affect

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Memphisau:

I preferred the old method tbh

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wagnerrp:

they dont 'want you to'... thats just the way of doing it now

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Memphisau:

lol, fair enough

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darther:

wagnerrp: latest :)

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wagnerrp:

'latest' is a relative term

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wagnerrp:

if you mean youre running mythbuntu 9.10, then youre running 0.22 RC1

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wagnerrp:

which is now several hundred commits behind head

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darther:

wagnerrp: thats right, i only copied to video to folder throught samba and if i go throught menus no videos found

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Memphisau:

you got the right directory shared, and consequently included in mythtv?

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darther:

var/lib/mythtv/videos is shared i think its configured in mythtv also, or im wrong?

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Memphisau:

that is the default I believe

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no default directory

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Memphisau:

can you view the contents of the folder as mythtv sees it.. over smb?

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu likes to put its stuff in /var/lib/mythtv

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Memphisau:

sorry, that's the default on my ubuntu machine(s)

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darther:

how i set folders with videos to scan? i see my copied video in /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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Memphisau:

load mythfrontend

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Memphisau:

it'll be under media, videos

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Memphisau:

settings

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Memphisau:

it'll say something like 'directories that hold video'

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peoples:

hey guys

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peoples:

i use karmic and want do compile mythtv RC2 with fftw3 support , but configure dont recognise libfftw3 ?

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peoples:

libfftw3-dev is installed

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darther:

Memphisau: everything seem right i directory set up, but still no videos.. maybe codecs problem?

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peoples:

i also installed fftw3 from source but the same

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peoples:

some ideas ?

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darther:

Memphisau: but i can play that video fine with vlc outside fronted, its not that problem... so database updates automatically?

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Saviq:

hi all, is it achievable to transcode losslessly (what mythtranscode --mpeg2 does) from the UI? does High Quality / AutoDetect mean the same?

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Memphisau:

I'd have to loadup mythtv to check, but my bet is that you haven't set the directory properly, or you're trying to add more than one and using the wrong separator character

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Memphisau:

the other thing you might try is pressing menu and scanning for media when you're in the mythvideo section

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darther:

Memphisau: thank for tips i keep trying

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: do you have a good suggested reading on setting up a diskless frontend as we were talking last night?

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Memphisau:

darther: no worries, I'm heading off now anyway

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Memphisau:

darther: good luck

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Diskless_Frontend

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wagnerrp:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless

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mangus580:

thanks...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml

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mangus580:

I may have to use ubuntu... since fedora seems to be a little tougher to find info on

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wagnerrp:

http://en.opensuse.org/PXE_Diskless_Node

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Memphisau:

I've done the ubuntu one before, it's not too hard

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wagnerrp:

http://wpkg.org/Diskless_/_remote_boot_with_Open-iSCSI

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wagnerrp:

(i use some blend of that last one)

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peoples:

can someone help me with the fftw3 problem .. ? :)

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hse-hoens:

what's the best tuner card right now which will allow me to record 2 shows at the same time + does digital cable?

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sphery:

hse-hoens: what TV standard? NTSC, PAL, ATSC, DVB, ...

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hse-hoens:

don't be mad, but i don't konw :)

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sphery:

what part of the world?

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hse-hoens:

usa

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sphery:

then analog would be NTSC and digital would be ATSC (for over-the-air) and QAM (for cable)

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sphery:

so, do you want shows of digital cable at once

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sphery:

or 2 analog + 1 digital cable?

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hse-hoens:

2 digital cable shows, preferably not just ATSC but also QAM

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hse-hoens:

i.e. like usa and tnt or something

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Scuzz:

does anyone know any tuning frequencies for NA sat providors ?

[18:04:11]

iamlindoro:

You are unlikely to be able to record either of those channels with a QAM tuner

[18:04:26]

hse-hoens:

hence my question

[18:04:35]

iamlindoro:

hse-hoens, You will only be able to record what is left unencrypted, which is generally NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox

[18:04:39]

sphery:

hse-hoens: best bet is to check linuxtv.org/wiki for list of supported cards--but, as iamlindoro mentioned, you will only get unencrypted cable channels

[18:04:52]

sphery:

if you want encrypted channels, your only option is analog capture

[18:05:12]

sphery:

analog in standard def would be PVR-150 or PVR-500 and analog in high-def would be HD-PVR

[18:05:25]

sphery:

but those will require a cable box per tuner

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hse-hoens:

hmm

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hse-hoens:

that's suboptimal

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sphery:

and appropriate equipment to change channel on the cable box

[18:05:45]

sphery:

that's the price we pay for DRM

[18:05:58]

josh_:

I have three lineups, "Digital QAM", "Set-Top Box", and "Analog cable". Channel 22 is available on both the "Set-Top Box" and "Analog Cable" lineups, but on "Analog Cable" there is no feed, only static. I keep deleting channel 22 from the "Analog Cable" lineup, but it keeps reappearing the next day?

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sphery:

but the quality of HD-PVR is /quite/ good, so don't let "analog" scare you

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sphery:

josh_: for mythfilldatabase arguments setting, add --remove-new-channels

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josh_:

sphery, that'll only let mythfilldatabase only update channels that already exist, and not create new ones?

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sphery:

josh_: in mythfrontend settings in the main General settings (not the one under TV settings)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. anyone tell me how i play a dvd on my backend from a frontend running on a different machine?

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sphery:

josh_: right (though it won't update channels that already exist :)

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josh_:

sphery, huh? it won't update channels that *already* exist?

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sphery:

jeffjeffdejeff: rip the DVD to an ISO, then use an NFS or CIF mount

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sphery:

josh_: right... only updates channels when you tell it to

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jeffjeffdejeff:

seems an odd way to go about it. can't it just stream the dvd over the network?

[18:09:24]

sphery:

jeffjeffdejeff: the DVD libraries require block-level access to the DVD device

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sphery:

(where that device could be the DVD drive or the ISO rip)

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sphery:

jeffjeffdejeff: if you /really/ want to hack it, use NBD (Network Block Device)

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sphery:

*** said hack may exist in future versions of Myth, but doesn't yet

[18:10:23]

sphery:

(still a big hack)

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troldrik:

In theory you could share the dvd drive over iscsi... but the iscsi targets for lunix are rubbish.

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josh_:

sphery, so if I just add the --remove-new-channels option to mythfilldatabase, it will still run every day like it's currently configured to do?

[18:11:59]

sphery:

josh_: yeah, and it will do what it always has--with the exception that if it sees a new channel in your analog lineup, it won't add it to your video source

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sphery:

(it never added new channels to video sources hooked to digital cards)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does GreyFoxx have any of his dvd-changer stuff online?

[18:12:51]

sphery:

if you decide you want the new channel, you can just run it again without the --remove-new-channels

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josh_:

sphery, is there a way to only apply that option to the "analog" lineup only?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ttbomk, no--I think it was still way too rough

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sphery:

josh_: no, not without running separate runs of mythfilldatabase and specifying video sources for each run

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sphery:

(which would also waste bandwidth as you wouldn't get the channel sharing)

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sphery:

does your STB lineup change that often?

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josh_:

sphery, I've noticed some missing channels from the STB lineup, I expect those to be added randomly

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josh_:

sphery, I could jsut add them myself...

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sphery:

yeah, or just run mythfilldatabase without --remove-new-channels every once in a while and re-delete channel 22 from analog

[18:16:06]

sphery:

or just run mythfilldatabase without --remove-new-channels /and/ with video source specified

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josh_:

sphery, sounds good. Another note, can't I update that setting from mythweb/settings/mythtv ?

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sphery:

(to specify the STB one)

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josh_:

the "MythFillDatabaseArgs" option?

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sphery:

in theory, yes

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josh_:

sphery, but it would be better to do it through the frontend?

[18:17:06]

sphery:

well, I know the frontend approach works

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sphery:

the other may well work, too

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sphery:

but in the frontend you get a nice human-readable name and help text and ... :)

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justinh:

Wheee it's alive – now I just have to install loonix

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justinh:

went a bit mad. 4 case fans, 2x 1TB HDDs (making 4TB once I migrate mythtv across). Piddly CPU, GF8400 gfx...

[18:28:13]

wagnerrp:

4 fans? thats nothing

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wagnerrp:

and are you becoming a file squirrel too?

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justinh:

3 fans more than I'm used to putting in one box :P

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sphery:

nice... Is MythTV now doing DoubleSpace disk compression like MS DOS 6.21?

[18:29:00]

justinh:

MythStacker FTW!

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wagnerrp:

one-of-us.... one-of-us....

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sphery:

(turning 2x 1TB HDDs into 4TB just by putting Myth on there :)

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justinh:

heh no, the other 1TB HDDs are in the current backend which is miraculously still alive

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sphery:

I must have missed the commit

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_ben:

unless you have a 2TB ramdisk too :P

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sphery:

that would be fun

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justinh:

all with my wife's blessing too. She even had to ponder how old the current box is

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sphery:

until power went out... :(

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justinh:

had to fix up a PSU for this though, just some junk I had lying around. No 80+ PSUs in stock :(

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sphery:

I'll pretend I didn't hear that...

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justinh:

found an old 300W jobby with a rattling fan

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sphery:

:)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: youve never used a CPU fan before?

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justinh:

case fans I meant

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wagnerrp:

ah, so PSU, CPU, and NB not included

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justinh:

actually in terms of case fans this is *four* more than I usually fit

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sphery:

so which CPU?

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justinh:

E1500

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justinh:

crap I know but it's just a backend

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sphery:

Is that a 35W?

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sphery:

yeah, sounds fine for a backend

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justinh:

just a wee bit better than the current 2000XP in the backend now

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justinh:

65W IIRC

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sphery:

ahh... I thought it was one of the low-power ones.

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sphery:

65W is much better than th0se 125W or 140W ones :)

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sphery:

I'm still using an XP 2000+ in one backend and a 2400+ in the other

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sphery:

both 65W, it seems, so no real hurry to replace them

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justinh:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: now look what you started: [mythtv-users] mythvideo: hiding all elements on the screen to Makere background visible

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /268669.html

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justinh:

gah wth? Karmic seems to spend a lot of time doing nothing when you boot the CD

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sphery:

stupid tab/autocomplete... sorry Mak ere

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justinh:

wish they'd put something other than just a static logo on the bootsplash

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superm1:

it is supposed to pulse

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sphery:

justinh: that's when it's uploading your browsing history to Canonical :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hmmmmm never ever ever.

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justinh:

riiight

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corp186:

I just upgraded to karmic but I can't get any audio from the frontend

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superm1:

and there is certainly a lot of stuff going on at that time related to the live cd startup

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justinh:

corp186: get rid of pulseaudio

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corp186:

I enabled EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO

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corp186:

justinh, I don't really want to break ubuntu like that

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iamlindoro:

corp186, That is an unsupported configuration

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corp186:

is it really necessary?

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troldrik:

this is madding.

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justinh:

superm1: on a brand new machine it had me a little worried. just *some* text or something to show it's doing stuff

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corp186:

ok, so any idea how to remove pa?

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superm1:

seriously you dont need to "remove" it guys.

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superm1:

myth suspends it

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justinh:

gawd this machine is *noisy*

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should automatically stop pulse, and access alsa directly

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sphery:

corp186: sounds like the experiment proved it doesn't work :)

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corp186:

superm1: if it suspends it, why does it still not work?

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iamlindoro:

EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO isn't a suspension

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corp186:

I have the audio device as ALSA:default

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troldrik:

Why won't mythtv-setup .21 see channels in this dvb mux? scan/mplayer/kaffeine sees them fine?

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iamlindoro:

it's telling myth "I know you don't work with pulse, but I know better so try anyway"

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Makere:

sphery: wut?

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corp186:

iamlindoro: I only enabled that because it fixed it for someone else

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justinh:

grrr. in the partition manager it'd be *nice* to be able to enter GB

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superm1:

corp186, what were the symptoms before that?

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sphery:

Makere: sorry it was "make" + a tab in a paste subject and my autocomplete

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corp186:

superm1: no audio in the frontend

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corp186:

t

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wagnerrp:

corp186: so you changed things having no idea what they did?

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corp186:

hat's the only symptom

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superm1:

corp186, can you provide the mythfrontend log output without that turned on?

[18:43:05]

corp186:

ok, I tried setting an env var to see if things got better

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corp186:

k

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sphery:

superm1: the problem with keeping pulse and allowing Myth to suspend it is that it queues up all the audio sent to Pulse for a "grand finale" on playback exit

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sphery:

I still say, kill pulse with prejudice :)

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superm1:

sphery, yeah that can be a bit of a weird experience, but pa is so tight into gnome now that you won't have fully functional laptop hotkeys or a graphical audio mixer without it.

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sphery:

ahh

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superm1:

so i think it's best if you can workaround it's problems in myth, it's best to leave it on a gnome install

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corp186:

here's the frontend log: http://pastebin.com/d3f8b409c

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sphery:

That makes sense. I don't use GNOME (/especially/ on a Myth box), so I didn't realize how tightly coupled they were.

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corp186:

I know audio works from other programs

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its not a gnome thing, its a gnome on ubuntu thing

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

the last couple versions of ubuntu have made gnome and other applications reliant on pulseaudio

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superm1:

wagnerrp, actually it is a gnome thing upstream now in the 'gnome-media' package

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superm1:

its distros that follow tip more closely that have it though like fedora and ubuntu

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sphery:

Well, this just proves I don't know any of the 3--*buntu, GNOME, or Pulse

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wagnerrp:

superml: oh? i guess im just still running a fairly old version

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corp186:

so any ideas what could be going on?

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justinh:

why can't PA just die in a fire?

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corp186:

I had it working in jaunty, and I don't believe I did anything special there

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superm1:

corp186, so is it perhaps your settings related to what you have "upmix" set to

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wagnerrp:

is this basic analog output? or are you trying to do something fancy like spdif or hdmi?

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superm1:

or how AC3 pass through is set?

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corp186:

superm1: can you describe what you mean?

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superm1:

go into settings->general

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corp186:

I don't use AC3 passthrough

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corp186:

stereo out

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superm1:

and find the audio system page

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justinh:

have to say I like the orange-ish theme here. Better than brown :)

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superm1:

corp186, try setting max audio channels to 5.1

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corp186:

superm1: ok, you'll have to wait until my tv stops channel searching... this is all getting in the way of football :)

[18:49:15]

superm1:

and changing the upmix to passive

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corp186:

I'll try those

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justinh:

need to go in the attic to retreive my spare tuner

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superm1:

there is an open bug in ubuntu still about people who cant seem to get it working (which is probably where you found that env variable), so if you have luck with these settings, can you leave some comments on that bug too?

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corp186:

yep

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superm1:

thanks

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superm1:

justinh, if you are just setting up a fresh box for myth purposes, why not start with mythbuntu rather than ubuntu with myth added on...?

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corp186:

superm1: I'm not sure where the max audio channels is

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corp186:

I right clicked on the volume icon

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corp186:

and went to the settings panel there

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superm1:

corp186, its on that same page in mythfrontend settings

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wagnerrp:

hes talking about inside mythtv

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wagnerrp:

^^^

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corp186:

oh, in mythfrontend

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corp186:

ok

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justinh:

superm1: I have as much wrangling to do either way

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corp186:

I set it to 5.1, disabled upconvert

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corp186:

no change

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justinh:

unless mythbuntu now comes with nxserver etc ;-)

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justinh:

superm1: plus I'm not in any hurry to upgrade to 0.22RCX yet

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antgel:

hi all, am compiling 0.22-fixes for the first time. configure reports that DVB-S2 support is off – what do i need to enable it?

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justinh:

for me to start using 0.22 there has to be a theme I like, and there ain't. Yet

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superm1:

justinh, na no nxserver, but just lots of other preconfigured stuff to try so simplify things. oh and no gnome or pulse :)

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justinh:

superm1: I'll only be testing tuners with this anyway. do all my teevee in the livingroom on a real frontend :)

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superm1:

ah

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justinh:

oh come on hurry up & install already so I can ssh in

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justinh:

total waste of a 8400GS card too, this machine but nobody had anything lesser in stock this weekend

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justinh:

I'd have got a main board with onboard gfx if anyone stocked something with 5x PCI slots too

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corp186:

superm1: any other ideas on the audio?

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justinh:

wheee boot fail :-\

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superm1:

corp186, lemme see the combination i've got on my box that has gnome/pa/myth. i play ac3 streams all the time on it. "Audio output device: ALSA:default" "Passthrough: default" Max Audio Channels: Stereo Upmix Passive, and neither ac3 nor dts checkboxes checked

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justinh:

I hate how distros use UIDs for HDDs now. Grrrr

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superm1:

it's a Good thing though when you add more drives to the boxes...

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_ben:

It's a good idea.

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_ben:

Specially when you have a SAN

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justinh:

except when it can't find the HDD you installed to when you boot

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corp186:

superm1: I'm not using passthrough though

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superm1:

corp186, neither am i. this is a laptop that i have gnome/pa/mythfrontend on

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corp186:

in fact, no digital audio of any sort

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corp186:

oh

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superm1:

that exact combination is what works for me, just verified it

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corp186:

ok

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corp186:

I'll try

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justinh:

so whatever is in grub is wrong. bah

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justinh:

booting the livecd to investigate

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corp186:

superm1: so I don't even know where the passthrough option is

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corp186:

If I set my speakers to 5.1 I can get some more options

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corp186:

but it just opens up stuff for upconverting

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superm1:

corp186, http://imagebin.org/70061

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superm1:

that's on my laptop

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justinh:

wtf has happened to grub?

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corp186:

got it!

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corp186:

I set output to ALSA:surround51 (it was one of the predefined choices)

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corp186:

left speakers at 2

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corp186:

no other options set

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corp186:

I'll document in the bug in a bit

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** justinh cries **

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justinh:

ubuntu are gonna lose a user over this

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justinh:

this fricking sucks, big style

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antgel:

hi all, am compiling 0.22-fixes for the first time. configure reports that DVB-S2 support is off – what do i need to enable it?

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superm1:

what's happenning with grub? the menu is hidden by default

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superm1:

you have to hold shift to get it pulled up if you insist upon it

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justinh:

it's failing to boot cos it can't find $UID

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justinh:

where $UID is the UID of the HDD it was supposed to be installed to

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superm1:

did you perhaps intend to install grub to the partition, but had an old one lying around in the MBR?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

flattened the disk

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justinh:

shouldn't have had an MBR before anyway

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justinh:

oh. needed a powercycley rebootski

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justinh:

still with that mysterious bootsplash though. have to find out how to get that to make some noise

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superm1:

post install it's not supposed to pulseate

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superm1:

that's only for live cd

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justinh:

when *this* box reboots I want to see wth is going on :)

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justinh:

you know the white ubuntu logo on the black background before the real boot stuff? That

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superm1:

you can probably add verbose to the kernel command line in /etc/default/grub and run sudo update-grub to get more verbose output during boot on the splash

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FR^2:

hmm. is there any way at all viewing teletext in linux using a dvb-c card?

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superm1:

that or remove "quiet" from /etc/default/grub

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superm1:

i forget which one does it

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justinh:

roger :) cheers superm1

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justinh:

also sorry for the noise. I'm always twitchy with new OS

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justinh:

esp. when it's also brand new hardware. to my eternal shame

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josh_:

Is there any sort of automatic movie trailer download tool for use with MythVideo's "random trailers before videos" feature?

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justinh:

josh_ prolly not since every trailer grabber script violates somebody's T&Cs one way or the other

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justinh:

oops. contradicted myself. Yes there are scripts but they tend to be on the naughty side

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Dagmar:

Donut violate site use licences, kay?

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josh_:

bee nice tew da interwebz

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antgel:

if i build and link myth against mesa libGL, do i need to recompile when i move to nvidia binary drivers?

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sphery:

in theory, no

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sphery:

(though the opposite is not likely true)

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antgel:

okay, because having nvidia installed during my compile is causing me grief (no libGLU etc). so i'm purging nvidia for now, and will try to get a compile sorted

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antgel:

sphery: if you have any clue re my DVB-S2 compile query ^^, i'm all ears

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sphery:

antgel: sorry, I don't know the DVB-S2 stuff. It looks like it just runs a test-compile of a program that checks for FE_CAN_2G_MODULATION in linux/dvb/frontend.h .

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antgel:

sphery: that's a good enough clue, thanks. i need to upgrade my linux-libc-dev package :)

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sphery:

antgel: cool... good luck

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antgel:

damn. i need the nvidia stuff installed in order to compile vdpau.h

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antgel:

s/\.h//

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josh_:

antgel, of course..

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antgel:

ooh, that's good, i can have vdpau development headers installed without nvidia's GL

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antgel:

when i'm up and running i'll investigate how to do future compiles without mesa GL being installed

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sphery:

antgel: no you don't

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sphery:

antgel: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU

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sphery:

(but you may have figured that out--I can't tell from your comments)

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antgel:

sphery: thanks. have installed the nvidia-libvdpau packages even though i don't have the nvidia drivers installed

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antgel:

thing is – i'd quite happily compile without mesa installed – just the nvidia stuff, but it complains about libglu

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brockp:

has anyone used the scte65scan tool? and gotten it to work?

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brockp:

well work with myth that is, I have the sql it kicks out, I just don't see in the channel editor the filled in data after I run mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

does scte65scan automatically fill in XMLTV ids?

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brockp:

on the wiki, it says, "mythfilldatabase will detect the virtual channel number in the 'freqid' and/or 'channum' field of the imported SQL and fill in the xmltvid for you if you are using Schedules Direct."

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brockp:

I am not sure the order to do things in, define the capture card (hdhomerun), define the lineup, using SD, and make the connection?

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Foloex:

hello everyone

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Foloex:

could someone help me understand how to configure mythtv (on ubuntu) ? I can't get it to see my video or music (or anything at all) ...

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wagnerrp:

Foloex: mythtv does not handle video or music

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wagnerrp:

rather the plugins mythvideo and mythmusic do

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wagnerrp:

read the documentation for those

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Foloex:

that's what I meant

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wagnerrp:

you went through setup? set the directories for each? scanned each?

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Foloex:

scanned ?

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wagnerrp:

scanned

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Foloex:

I launched mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

that is for scheduling data

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wagnerrp:

for recordings

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wagnerrp:

(as the documentation states)

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Foloex:

how do I launch a scan then ?

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wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

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Foloex:

it's version 22594

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wagnerrp:

no, its revision 22594, what version?

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wagnerrp:

thats a generic subversion revision shared among a dozen different versions of mythtv in the repository

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Foloex:

it's written "MythTV Version : 22594" ...

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Foloex:

how to I get the actual version ?

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wagnerrp:

'mythbackend --version', give me the branch

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Foloex:

branches/release-0-22-fixes

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wagnerrp:

ok, go into mythvideo, hit 'm', and select scan

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wagnerrp:

go into utilities/settings, music manager, scan for new music

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wagnerrp:

the former is under 'media library'

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Foloex:

in the frontend ?

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wagnerrp:

plugins are always in the frontend

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brockp:

in dtv_multiplex what does sourceid stand for?

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wagnerrp:

there is no such concept as a backend plugin

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wagnerrp:

brockp: the source id... the id of the source...

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wagnerrp:

remember in mythtv-setup when you set up sources?

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Foloex:

if you say so... I'll be back in a few

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brockp:

so video sources? ok, thats waht I needed, thx

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mindoms:

i cant connect to the database over the network

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mindoms:

mysql -h192.168.178.201 -p -umythtv

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mindoms:

Enter password:

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mindoms:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.178.21' (using password: YES)

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Dagmar:

So feel free to set up your mysql permissions properly.

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wagnerrp:

mindoms: so obviously you have not granted permissions for that user/pass/address

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Foloex:

wagnerrp: great, I have the videos and the music ! thanks !

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mindoms:

hm. i tryed this: but problem persists:

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mindoms:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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mindoms:

oh, is see... wrong ip, damn copy/paste

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Dagmar:

Yes there's a second command that's needed

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Foloex:

wagnerrp: how can I remove directories from video group ?

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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Dagmar:

...plus it helps when you pay attention to what netblock you're using. ;)

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mindoms:

dagmar: whats that second command?

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Dagmar:

mindoms: It's the one that tells the server to re-read it's grant tables

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mindoms:

ah, i guess flush privileges;

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mindoms:

.,.. okay, it works, thanks dagmar... i really used the wrong net-segment... damnit :)

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Foloex:

wagnerrp: I used a accentuated name on one of the directorie, is there a way to delete it manually ?

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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ikkeT:

ping reynaldo?

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ikkeT:

reynaldo, are you doing finnish translations or only updating the files to match up to date i18?

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reynaldo:

I'm hubbing suomeksi and svenska translations from my company

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reynaldo:

I'm trying to do some spanish ones too, but thats entirely on my behalf

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ikkeT:

great, who is doing the finnish translations? I was updating myth the other night, and got bored at hotel and started doing finnish translations

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ikkeT:

I couldn't find any sign of group doing it. probably I was just blind.

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reynaldo:

ikkeT: a guy that works for my company

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ikkeT:

reynaldo: so is he about to update it all?

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brockp:

progress, because I had an old analog tuner, the source ID for me was 5, not 1, I matched that in the scte65scan options, and it mattched, sorta

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reynaldo:

You can submit your patches using trac and I can commit them though, having more ppl colaborating on it its beyond great

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reynaldo:

ikkeT: not sure, I have applied all what he had sent me

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ikkeT:

ok, since now that made me do useless work :)

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reynaldo:

again, if you have any changes to apply just open a ticket for them and I will gladly go over them and apply

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ikkeT:

I need to check how much I can merge the stuff I did.

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brockp:

no channel numbers match now, but Channel Name is empty, if i look in mythweb listings, I see all the shows listed, but they don't show up in the OSD when watching live

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ikkeT:

...or is it cleaner to start from scratch again. quite much changes you committed today. I don't have the stuff at home now, will check tomorrow.

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sphery:

Nice... Chuck is up to a full 19-episode season! http://www.tv.com/chuck-revived-trauma-dead-a . . . hub_stories;

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ikkeT:

reynaldo: is the guy in irc, so I could have a chat with him to avoid duplicate work?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Southland is dead, long live Southland!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but now chuck is a badass, will the show have the same charm?

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sphery:

is it dead?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I thought it was the reason Chuck was potentially coming back early?

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sphery:

ohhh

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sphery:

I forgot

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sphery:

I thought you were saying that it got picked up by another network

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sphery:

(forgot the connection that is)

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MythBork:

Hey guys. After my upgrade to 0.22 I'm having skipping/pixelization in some HD recordings via firewire from my motorola stb. I wasn't seeing this in 0.21. Has anyone seen this before and is there a fix?

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wagnerrp:

why does scrubs still exist?

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reynaldo:

ikkeT: nope, but I can give you his email

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MythBork:

because Sarah Chalke reamins hot, yet approachable.. :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I still like Scrubs

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iamlindoro:

But Yvonna Starglkhfglskghlksfghsdflgkhsdflghsdlh is hottttteer

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sphery:

even though Sarah Chalke isn't on it, anymore

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wagnerrp:

i used to watch it

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wagnerrp:

but they started having some REALLY WEIRD episodes that just put me off of the show

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ikkeT:

reynaldo: please do, i'll have a chat with him so we both save duplicate effort

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MythBork:

sphery, that's funny because all I watch are old reruns form late at night. I never even knew she left.

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sphery:

It was the perfect, yet underappreciated sitcom

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sphery:

MythBork: basically the whole cast left

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MythBork:

has anyone else seen that pixelization issue I'm having?

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sphery:

the next season is all about med school

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sphery:

different cast

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MythBork:

oh boy, sounds like they killed it

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MythBork:

oh well

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sphery:

I will still watch it

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MythBork:

I still have Fringe :)

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iamlindoro:

"V" this week :)

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MythBork:

hell yeah, V

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Oh, and Better Off Ted, with all of its original regulars, will be returning Dec 8.

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iamlindoro:

nice

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wagnerrp:

so NBC is running a show about a magic detective... who isnt really magic, or a very good detective, and is now in government work?

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MythBork:

I remember watching the original V when I was a kid and freaking out when that hot chick deep throated a gineau pig

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wagnerrp:

sounds like The Dresden Files, but awful

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wagnerrp:

and/or a darker ripoff of Psych

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reynaldo:

ikkeT: someone once told me there was some kind of finnish translation team doing loads of translations and holding review meetings and such

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MythBork:

there's something more aweful that The Dresden Files?

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reynaldo:

but I have forgotten what their name was

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wagnerrp:

i liked that show....

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reynaldo:

maybe you know?

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MythBork:

so about that pixelization....

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wagnerrp:

your cableco decide to drop their bitrate coinciding with the mythtv 0.22 release?

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive found insight to have pretty poor bitrates anyway

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MythBork:

well, my dmesg is filled with messages like this "ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received – no tlabel match"

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Dagmar:

Looks like you changed the kernel too

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MythBork:

2.6.31-14-generic

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Dagmar:

nice numbers

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Dagmar:

Very shint

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Dagmar:

s/shint/shiny/;

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you'd like some colored sprinkles to go with them

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MythBork:

?

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Dagmar:

Should I care what version of the kernel you're running?

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MythBork:

I only pasted it because you said I changed the kernel. I am running what came with the mythbuntu upgrade as far as I know

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MythBork:

Was just looking for some help. I've googled this to death and not found any clear answers. My config seems OK so I am just hoping someone might know something I don't

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Dagmar:

obgripe: Nokia clearly haven't really given a damn if you can easily find the source for Qt or not

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Dagmar:

Surely this is some kind of joke

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Dagmar:

a hundred and twenty one megabytes for the compressed source tarball?

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Dagmar:

What the f**k?

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FR^2:

Hmm. Where can I set de-interlacing to progressive permanently?

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wagnerrp:

in the playback profiles

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wagnerrp:

frontend settings

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wagnerrp:

and you dont 'set deinterlacing to progressive'

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wagnerrp:

you simply turn it on or off

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FR^2:

wagnerrp: there's also entries "...even..." and "...odd.." so it's not just "on" or "off", is it? But I still can't find it... Hmm.

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mtrelins:

how do i not make the guide show up when entering livetv?

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iamlindoro:

Turn off the option that displays the guide on entering live TV :)

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Program Guide, page 1

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mtrelins:

thanks

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mtrelins:

ok

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mtrelins:

that fixed one problem

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iamlindoro:

np

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mtrelins:

when i start w/ the guide showing or display the guide during live tv

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mtrelins:

video gets really choppy

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mtrelins:

like 1 fps

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mtrelins:

any idea?

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mtrelins:

i already have it set to display the lowest cpu guide as possible

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Dagmar:

buy moar cpu

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mtrelins:

amd x2 3ghz

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mtrelins:

i think that's enough for 720x480?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like incorrect playback profile

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iamlindoro:

or broken video driver install

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mtrelins:

ok here's the thing

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Dagmar:

Then read the wiki, there's a faq page for common problems

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mtrelins:

i use opengl as my renderer

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Dagmar:

That's one of them

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mtrelins:

only because that's how i don't get frame tearing

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Dagmar:

I use Dial soap

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Dagmar:

...because it keeps me nice and clean

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mtrelins:

i use Axe. .the women really do like it

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Dagmar:

...and I know that telling people what brand of soap I use won't exempt me from being required to look at whether or not my TV is plugged into the wall before calling for technical support o nit.

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Dagmar:

teh wiki--it calls u

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mtrelins:

i'm at the wiki

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mtrelins:

oddly, when i'm looking for common problems i can't find it

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mtrelins:

i even googled it

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mtrelins:

"mythtv common problems"

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sphery:

mtrelins: change your deinterlacer?

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sphery:

i.e. don't use bob or any 2x deinterlacer

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mtrelins:

i'm not using bob

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mtrelins:

should i turn off deinterlacing to fix the guide + live tv issue?

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mtrelins:

see if that helps?

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sphery:

change it to kernel or linear blend or one field and test

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mtrelins:

most compatible is kernel?

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mtrelins:

should i use Kernel (HW) or Kernel

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sphery:

kernel

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sphery:

no hw

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mtrelins:

if by turning off the guide when entering live tv

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mtrelins:

and i go into live tv

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mtrelins:

and it looks good

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mtrelins:

should i change OSD Renderer to opengl2

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mtrelins:

or leave it at softblend

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mtrelins:

or is this not the issue of guide + live tv

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sphery:

technically the opengl video renderer is not supported, so you get what you get

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sphery:

best is Xv or VDPAU

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mtrelins:

opengl video rendering works well

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mtrelins:

xv-blit gives me tearing

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sphery:

which means your system is improperly configured

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mtrelins:

at what level? application? driver?

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sphery:

but basically if you want to use opengl renderer, you can--but if anything doesn't work (like the EPG) when using it, there's not a lot that will be done about it until the opengl renderer is ready for use

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mtrelins:

ok

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sphery:

likely you have a bad mix of settings related to vsync

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sphery:

there's some in myth and some in nvidia-settings

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sphery:

you probably need to flip some

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sphery:

but anyway, it's quite possible that changing your deinterlacer may make the EPG usable

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sphery:

first trying kernel, then if that doesn't work, going through others

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mtrelins:

i switched back to xv-blit and the epg works fine

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mtrelins:

but now i have frame tearing

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mtrelins:

on side to side camera panning

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/277331#277331

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sphery:

and you really mean tearing and not interlacing artifacts?

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sphery:

if tearing, see that post

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sphery:

if interlacing artifacts, look at your frontend logs and see if deinterlacing is disabled

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sphery:

specifially the vsync portion of that post

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mtrelins:

tearing

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mtrelins:

a straight line looks like this on a camera pan

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mtrelins:

\

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mtrelins:

|

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mtrelins:

or like

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mtrelins:

|

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mtrelins:

|

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mtrelins:

it's hard to explain but i read the myth wiki about it

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mtrelins:

and it matches the picture example on frame tearing

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yaroslov:

My frontend is crashing with "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy"

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Dagmar:

We know what tearing is.

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sphery:

then you need to fix your vsync settings

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Dagmar:

No worries there.

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yaroslov:

nvidia driver is at the latest ver

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yaroslov:

Any ideas?

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sphery:

yaroslov: that's likely the error message that's printed after your frontend crashes for an unrelated reason

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sphery:

we'd need full mythfrontend log in pastebin

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wagnerrp:

and the version youre running

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sphery:

clear the log, then start mythfrontend, then pastebin, please

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if we're lucky, the frontend log will tell us (for 0.22-fixes and trunk)

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sphery:

I'm guessing based on that message, though, it's one of the 2

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wagnerrp:

if were lucky, it will be 0.21

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mtrelins:

is xvmc the same as xv?

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wagnerrp:

so we can ignore the problem

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Dagmar:

mtrelins: No, they're merely very related.

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sphery:

mtrelins: xvmc is Xv + some GPU math for helping decode MPEG-2 (and--with some implementations--a few other things)

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mtrelins:

ok

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sphery:

generally, XvMC is garbage, though

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sphery:

you don't want it

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Dagmar:

You want it if you don't have a _much_ newer video card tho

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Dagmar:

It's not garbage.

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sphery:

I think it

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sphery:

s garbage

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Dagmar:

I think you're probably running Gentoo.

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Dagmar:

It's hardware accelleration of mpeg decoding, which is preferable to doing it in CPU.

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Dagmar:

It's not VDPAU but it's _not_ garbage.

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sphery:

no, it's limiting the capability of MythTV to do what MythTV does well

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mtrelins:

should i just spend the 70$ and get an nvidia card?

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sphery:

it's putting artificial constraints on decoding

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mtrelins:

this ati card is pissing me off

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sphery:

when they're unnecessary because it's not 1999

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yaroslov:

http://pastebin.com/d2350be5c

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wagnerrp:

mtrelins: no, you should spend the $30 and get an nvidia card

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sphery:

yeah, $30 is more like it

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wagnerrp:

$20 if you find one with a rebate

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sphery:

unless you mean non-US-$

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mtrelins:

well i want hdmi output

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[R]:

so i RMA'd my video card and its coming on tuesday... ih ope it works

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wagnerrp:

dvi doesnt cut it?

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mtrelins:

so that's why it costs about 30$ more

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mtrelins:

well, either i get a card with hdmi for 30$ more

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mtrelins:

or get a really long dvi cable for 30$

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wagnerrp:

how long?

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mtrelins:

25 feet

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mtrelins:

it's going to a projector

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yaroslov:

wagnerrp: I'm on myth version 0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8

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wagnerrp:

ok, thats fairly long

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Dagmar:

What constraints?

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mtrelins:

is there a way i can make recorded tv only use opengl and then have Live TV not use opengl?

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sphery:

mtrelins: no--not unless LiveTV is always using a different resolution from recorded TV

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mtrelins:

it is not

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sphery:

then no way to do that

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Dagmar:

You could always do without any hardware accelleration of decoding

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wagnerrp:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . mp;p_id=2029

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sphery:

best bet... don't use LiveTV

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Dagmar:

That would be real fun, telling everyone they're now required to have a 4Ghz CPU to play back 1080i/p content

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sphery:

and, while you're at it, fix your video card config so you don't get tearing in Xv

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mtrelins:

or get an nvidia card and all my problems will be solved ? :)

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mtrelins:

any comments for video tearing on ati?

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Dagmar:

Bitching because XvMC doesn't do h.264 when that codec didn't even really exist when XvMC was first rolled out is just _foolishness_

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Dagmar:

mtrelins: It's ATI. Be careful not to allow the fire to spread when you dispose of it.

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mtrelins:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yaroslov: see above link

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sphery:

mtrelins: which, it seems you can't do if you're using the ATI proprietary drivers: "Video playback with the fglrx driver (and apparently all other ATI drivers) lack Vsync support and thus tearing. Currently there is no known workaround. The open source xf8x-video-ati has a non-composting/page-flipping fix, but not in the master branch." (from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Proprietary_Dr . . . sync_problem )

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yaroslov:

wagnerrp, ??

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yaroslov:

wagnerrp, a DVI adapter?

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mtrelins:

damnit, sphery: are you using nvidia?

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wagnerrp:

a $4 changer instead of a $30-more card

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sphery:

yeah, I have nvidia

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mtrelins:

quick poll: who's using nvidia?

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mtrelins:

everyone?

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wagnerrp:

nearly everyone

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mtrelins:

lol

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sphery:

99% of hands go up

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sphery:

(in this channel, that is)

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mtrelins:

do any of you with nvidia cards use mythgame?

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** yaroslov uses nvidia **

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yaroslov:

mtrelins, I do.

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mtrelins:

do you happen to use fceu?

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antgel:

mtrelins: back in the day, then i realised there wasn't enough hours in the day

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mtrelins:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yaroslov: i see several HDMI nvidia cards for <$50 on newegg

[22:02:38]

yaroslov:

wagnerrp, this is an HDMI problem?

[22:03:00]

yaroslov:

I'm not on an HDTV — just watching it via my LCD connected via DVI to my mythbox

[22:03:10]

wagnerrp:

oh... nevermind...

[22:03:13]

yaroslov:

:)

[22:03:16]

wagnerrp:

mtrelins: see my last couple comments

[22:03:44]

sphery:

yaroslov: did you post that frontend log to pastebin?

[22:03:45]

mtrelins:

does FCEU work smoothly for anyone at full screen?

[22:03:57]

mtrelins:

if so, plz tell me what graphics card you have

[22:04:10]

mtrelins:

(model)

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yaroslov:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/d2350be5c

[22:04:19]

wagnerrp:

*ANY* graphics card should be able to push an NES emulator

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mtrelins:

ati can't, lol

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sphery:

yaroslov: thanks... sorry if I missed it the first time

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yaroslov:

sphery, no worries

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yaroslov:

brb all

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mtrelins:

do you guys think this would work well for mythtv? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/BFG+-+NVIDIA+GeFo . . . kuId=9543461

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wagnerrp:

no

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mtrelins:

why not?

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sphery:

mtrelins: did you see wagnerrp's link to the DVI->HDMI connector?

[22:07:19]

wagnerrp:

because its horribly overpriced

[22:07:29]

sphery:

11.01 16:57:20 < wagnerrp> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . mp;p_id=2029

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wagnerrp:

that same card goes for $45 on newegg

[22:07:46]

mtrelins:

oh really?

[22:07:54]

mtrelins:

except for the price

[22:07:57]

mtrelins:

do you think it'd work?

[22:08:14]

mtrelins:

it's NVidia like you guys said

[22:08:20]

mtrelins:

and it has hdmi output

[22:08:29]

wagnerrp:

should be fine, but depending on what you want to play back, you may want to bump up to a 9500 or 220

[22:08:30]

mtrelins:

i could use a converter, but i think it would look a little ghetto rigged

[22:08:35]

sphery:

I have a GF5200, a GF6200, a GF7200 and a GF7800--they're all overkill for Myth

[22:08:47]

sphery:

(of course I don't use VDPAU)

[22:08:56]

wagnerrp:

mtrelins: you expect to ever look at the back of your machine?

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you put it back there and leave it for multiple years

[22:09:26]

sphery:

the converter is just like the end of a cable

[22:09:40]

sphery:

i.e. DVI-D and HDMI are basically the same signal

[22:09:51]

wagnerrp:

ever see the DVI->VGA adapters plugged into the back of a machine? same thing

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sphery:

click the link--it's worth checking out--especially at $3.64

[22:10:13]

mtrelins:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/BFG+-+NVIDIA+GeFo . . . kuId=8990407 wth is an HDTV output

[22:10:15]

mtrelins:

lol

[22:10:22]

wagnerrp:

sphery: not really

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sphery:

basically

[22:10:50]

wagnerrp:

the whole purpose of the adapter was because cards with HDMI outputs were $30-$40 more than ones with DVI outputs

[22:11:08]

wagnerrp:

but thats only because he was shopping on worst buy's website

[22:11:34]

wagnerrp:

theres only a couple dollars difference between the two types on newegg

[22:11:35]

mtrelins:

i'm only doing that because it's right down the street

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AndyCap:

DVI-D won't do sound though. not sure if I missed that part of the discussion

[22:11:42]

mtrelins:

and they have an excellent "rental" policy

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Dagmar:

Thre's like a billion different places to get far cheaper HDMI cables on the internet

[22:11:52]

sphery:

well, if he wants to buy from Best Buy today and get the $30 cheaper card and then get the DVI->HDMI converter...

[22:12:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: but that defeats the whole purpose of buying it today

[22:12:10]

mtrelins:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/BFG+-+NVIDIA+GeFo . . . kuId=8990407

[22:12:15]

mtrelins:

forgetting about price

[22:12:21]

mtrelins:

is that a good card for a mythtv setup

[22:12:27]

mtrelins:

with dvi to hdmi converter

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[R]:

i use an 8400gs

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[R]:

but $60 is like highway robbery

[22:12:51]

mtrelins:

[R]: what's the max video you do on your rig?

[22:12:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah, mine was $30 almost a year ago

[22:12:59]

[R]:

max video?

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mtrelins:

res

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[R]:

i belive it supports like 2048x2048

[22:13:12]

sphery:

wagnerrp: well, I figured that he could get a converter at best buy for a reasonable price

[22:13:18]

mtrelins:

what do you use it for?

[22:13:20]

sphery:

though it looks like they're around $35 there

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[R]:

1080p

[22:13:30]

mtrelins:

works flawlessly?

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[R]:

of course

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sphery:

I mean, really, who would have thought there'd be a $32 markup on a $3 item

[22:13:44]

wagnerrp:

mtrelins: any card you buy will do 1080p h264 through VDPAU

[22:13:44]

[R]:

why would i use it if it didn't?

[22:13:46]

mtrelins:

do you happen to use mythgame or emulators?

[22:13:58]

[R]:

emulators don't require fancy video cards...

[22:14:07]

Dagmar:

Excepting the card must actually support VDPAU.

[22:14:07]

Dagmar:

Ahem

[22:14:08]

mtrelins:

to do fullscreen

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mtrelins:

dagmar does the 8400 support vdpau?

[22:14:24]

Dagmar:

"Any card you buy" may not actually do any VDPAU

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[R]:

i used to run like snes emu on my matrox card

[22:14:32]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: im assuming he wont go buying a 7xxx card or 8800GTX that hasnt actually been in production for several years

[22:14:42]

Dagmar:

I'm not making that assumption.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Dagmar:

There's still plenty of cards that people can cheap out on and fail with

[22:15:10]

Dagmar:

...like every single one of them that says "ATI" on the box.

[22:15:43]

Dagmar:

mtrelins: Some do, some don't. If you want to know the difference, the wiki says which models and why

[22:15:44]

wagnerrp:

anyway, what you may want to be concerned about is that you need a 8600/9500/220 or better to manage the high end deinterlacer that comes with VDPAU

[22:16:20]

mtrelins:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

[22:16:21]

Dagmar:

The 8400 in particular has some models that will work and some that won't.

[22:16:27]

mtrelins:

it says the 8400 supports vdpau

[22:16:27]

Dagmar:

The rest aren't such a pain in the ass

[22:17:00]

wagnerrp:

no, the 8400 has some models that do full decoding on the video engine, and some that have to do the VC-1 bitstream in driver code

[22:17:02]

wagnerrp:

but they all work

[22:17:27]

mtrelins:

the g210 supports vdpau

[22:17:38]

mtrelins:

that's the original model i wanted to get before you guys told me i'd be taking it in the shorts

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Dagmar:

You prolly wanna pick from the new line if you can

[22:18:01]

wagnerrp:

yes, but as mentioned, its a bit underpowered for the 'advanced' deinterlacer

[22:18:12]

wagnerrp:

that said, im perfectly happy using temporal on my 8400

[22:18:25]

mtrelins:

what's an advanced deinterlacer

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Dagmar:

An advanced deinterlacer.

[22:18:33]

mtrelins:

and couldn't i just use software deinterlacing

[22:18:43]

Dagmar:

If you have plenty of CPU, go right ahead

[22:18:45]

mtrelins:

i have a pretty beefy processor and ram

[22:19:06]

mtrelins:

i can already run yadif 2x on my machine and no more than 30% utilization

[22:19:24]

wagnerrp:

you can use software decoding with software deint, you can use software decoding with GPU deint, and you can do hardware decoding with GPU deint

[22:19:35]

wagnerrp:

the only thing VDPAU is really needed for at the moment is h264

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wagnerrp:

either from bluray or from an HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

most processors can handle everything else without breaking a sweat

[22:20:24]

AndrewNC:

short of direct sql manipulation, is there an alternative method for changing settings via the frontend? can you do that interactively via telnet?

[22:20:47]

wagnerrp:

not interactively, but you can set them manually on the command line '-O option=setting'

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sphery:

AndrewNC: best solution is the frontend--perhaps using X forwarding/VNC/FreeNX or whatever

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wagnerrp:

thats a one-time setting, it is not stored in the database

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mtrelins:

thanks wagnerp

[22:21:12]

sphery:

AndrewNC: 2nd best is MythWeb's settings stuff

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sphery:

but the mythweb stuff is just as dangerous as direct SQL manipulation when it comes to the actual setting you changed

[22:22:02]

AndrewNC:

hmm... I haven't yet explored mythweb but maybe I should

[22:22:04]

sphery:

(i.e. you won't accidentally forget a WHERE clause or get the clause wrong, but you could put very bad things in the settings)

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AndrewNC:

so I should practice backing up and rstoring my DB a few times first? ;-)

[22:22:30]

sphery:

there's a frontend gui for chaning settings for a reason :)

[22:22:35]

sphery:

yeah, backup is good :)

[22:22:42]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[22:22:55]

sphery:

(just so I can help to get that one high on the stats page list of links)

[22:23:32]

wagnerrp:

because people who dont know about that wiki article might actually stumble upon that stats page?

[22:23:36]

sphery:

basically in MythWeb, you're given a huge list of DB settings names and their current values and you get to randomly put data in them

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wagnerrp:

and thats existing settings only, you dont get to add new ones

[22:24:07]

Dagmar:

But you can really f*ck up old ones good and proper!

[22:24:20]

wagnerrp:

and i dont think you have access to the NULL hostname settings either, do you?

[22:24:24]

Dagmar:

Sweet jesus qt4 is actually slower to compile

[22:24:39]

sphery:

so things like "NoPromptOnExit" and you figure, "Oh, that would be a boolean, so true would be don't ask."

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Dagmar:

I guess with a hundred and twenty one 2@#$@!#@! megabytes of source I shoudn't be suprised

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sphery:

and you'd be very surprised by the result

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sphery:

or there's PlaybackExitPrompt that takes any of 4 values 0–4 and you have no clue what they mean

[22:25:32]

sphery:

Dagmar: it takes forever to link...\

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sphery:

and, on the bright side, so do /all/ Qt4 programs :)

[22:25:58]

sphery:

(meaning you'll get slower myth compiles, too :)

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justinh2:

oh planet wtf again. where has ubunuts hidden the scan example files in Komedik?

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Dagmar:

sphery: The sad thing is that I'm still doing a dry run working out whether or not I know for sure what commands build it before I put it into the harness

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sphery:

Dagmar: twice the fun, then :)

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skd5aner:

I have a usability question regarding Graphite – I'm not sure if Robert is around, but maybe someone else can speak to...

[22:28:56]

jafa:

upgraded to the latest ubuntu – myth is failing to upgrade the db schema... Duplicate column name 'default_authority'

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skd5aner:

It appears to me in graphite, that if I go through a list, for example – Program Finder...

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sphery:

jafa: that means you either applied a patch that broke your db schame

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sphery:

jafa: or it means that myth was happily upgrading the DB schema and you didn't realize it and you (or something) killed the mythtv process mid-upgrade

[22:30:31]

skd5aner:

If I scroll to a show that has multiple air dates, and I scroll through the bottom of the list, it'll revert back to the list you came from rather than stop on the lest record

[22:30:55]

jafa:

I can dig through the sql... where are the upgrade scripts found?

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sphery:

jafa: best bet: if you didn't apply any patches for DVB-S2 or whatever it was that had DB schema changes in it, go back to your pre-upgrade backup

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Dibblah:

jafa: In the code, of course. :(

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skd5aner:

So "First Letter" then "Show Name" then "Air Date". if I pick "I", then "I dream of Jeannie" and scroll through the last air date record for that, the next scroll down will send me to letter J

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jafa:

installing from package, not code

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justinh2:

oh ffs ubuntu. gimme dvb-utils back. w-scan sucks :(

[22:32:04]

sphery:

all the sql is compiled in

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sphery:

no scripts

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Dibblah:

No – I mean the schema updates are not in text files.

[22:32:26]

sphery:

really, best bet is to go to pre-upgrade backup and let it /finish/ the upgrade

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skd5aner:

do you guys think that is intended? I do not see the same type of thing with Terra or Mettlurgy, they roll back to the top of that list you are in

[22:32:38]

_ben:

iamlindoro: what case was it you had again?

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justinh2:

it's themed behaviour

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sphery:

skd5aner: I think it's intended as it's a themed behavior

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skd5aner:

justinh2: I assumed that was the case

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** sphery stole justinh2's words for the end since he was faster at typing **

[22:33:11]

justinh2:

skd5aner: and he's already said it's not for changing

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skd5aner:

so – totally up to Robert if he likes it that way I'm guessing :)

[22:33:29]

skd5aner:

justinh2: that particular part or the theme as a whole?

[22:33:35]

justinh2:

not even 24 hours in & I bloody hate karmic komedian

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sphery:

you can change graphite

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sphery:

(your copy of)

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justinh2:

skd5aner: any of it

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sphery:

justinh2: is that like Microsoft Bob?

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justinh2:

so they've got 'scan' from dvb-utils right – but no frickin example files

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justinh2:

WTF use?!

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_ben:

who have?

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justinh2:

bloody ubunuts

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Dibblah:

It's there.

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_ben:

keep looking justin :p

[22:35:05]

justinh2:

not in /usr/share/doc/dvb-apps/examples it bloody ain't

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_ben:

justinh2: type 'scan'

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justinh2:

wher it used to be in /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/scan/examples

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justinh2:

DUH

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skd5aner:

what do you guys think about themes in general (Robert's, anyones) who are included in mythtv or myththemes – do you think they should evolve with the project, or only at the original authors intentions?

[22:35:56]

jafa:

restored, upgrade went 1215, 1216, ... 1230, 1231 then reported the same error

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Dibblah:

/usr/share/dvb

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justinh2:

reeking fetard

[22:36:14]

skd5aner:

I have no problem with Robert's requests and that he may want his lists to scroll a certain way...

[22:36:18]

skd5aner:

just curious in general

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_ben:

scan should return a load of lines like: file: /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-Oxford

[22:36:28]

justinh2:

yeah cos everybody opens a full height terminal

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_ben:

Naturally ;)

[22:36:43]

justinh2:

people who give outputs to bare commands three screens long should have been shot at birth

[22:37:00]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, Graphite is GPL, you can feel free to modify the buttonlist behaviors to your liking

[22:37:10]

tgm4883:

my terminal scrolls up, maybe yours is broke?

[22:37:11]

skd5aner:

Hey iamlindoro :)

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Wicked:

lol pipe it to more

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iamlindoro:

_ben, Lian Li V2000

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justinh2:

what I mean is, 500 lines is fecking unacceptable

[22:37:42]

_ben:

iamlindoro: ta – thinking about the A71F

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Wicked:

also *lots* of cli stuff outputs more then one page -_-

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sphery:

jafa: when you restore the 1214 (0.21-fixes) DB is there a default_authority column in either dtv_multiplex or channelscan_dtv_multiplex?

[22:37:58]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, Just change the <wrapstyle> for the buttonlist to items

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justinh2:

and that somehow makes it *right*?

[22:38:06]

Wicked:

yes.

[22:38:07]

sphery:

jafa: this is hitting a /lot/ of users and the error is impossible unless someone modifies the DB

[22:38:09]

justinh2:

it's rucking fetarded

[22:38:14]

justinh2:

oh wait, all linux is

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sphery:

(or kills the upgrade at the exact right time)

[22:38:15]

skd5aner:

thanks – my wife was going crazy when having to scroll through long lists

[22:38:22]

Wicked:

no. its verbose -_-

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sphery:

so I /really/ want to know what's messing with the DB schema for all these users

[22:38:33]

justinh2:

verbose by damn default :(

[22:38:35]

tgm4883:

actually, running just scan and getting that output is kinda dumb

[22:38:40]

Dagmar:

justinh2: You can leave any time

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jafa:

looks like this table is empty, might as well delete the problem column...

[22:39:04]

justinh2:

Dagmar: hey sometimes moving over to windows is very tempting

[22:39:07]

sphery:

jafa: can you help me figure out what broke your DB schema?

[22:39:18]

justinh2:

linux b#may be retarded but it never sucks as hard as windows can

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skd5aner:

I'm in the crowd that uses and likes both – so sue me

[22:39:22]

jafa:

sure

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Dagmar:

skd5aner: I'm sure you and Chris Cocker will be very happy together.

[22:39:44]

skd5aner:

ha

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sphery:

were you running with any patches or anything?

[22:39:48]

sphery:

and if so which ones?

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justinh2:

god only knows what else they moved around for shits & giggles

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jafa:

system was running Ubuntu 9.4 with latest fixes build from the mythbuntu repo

[22:40:16]

skd5aner:

justinh2: several gdm changes that really suck in 9.10

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tgm4883:

justinh, not for shits & giggles. Specifically it was to piss you off

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skd5aner:

they no longer read .xsession out-of-the-box

[22:40:37]

justinh2:

skd5aner: like it not remembering it's meant to autologin for one

[22:40:39]

tgm4883:

and by you, i specifically mean justinh

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justinh2:

oh go die in a fire

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tgm4883:

blow me

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justinh2:

if I was so inclined & I could find it

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tgm4883:

lucky this is mythtv-users, I would have bounced you for less

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justinh2:

yeah yeah

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sphery:

jafa: and you never ran with any patches--i.e. from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5603 ?

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Dibblah:

tgm4883 / justinh2: ... Please take the personality conflict somewhere else.

[22:42:35]

skd5aner:

so – on a different note, found what I think is another bug, trying to file a report, but trac is acting funking

[22:42:38]

justinh2:

oo will I get a permanent ban? :)

[22:42:43]

skd5aner:

funky :)

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** tgm4883 sighs **

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jafa:

no manual patches, but should have been 0.21-fixes latest (as of about a month ago anyway)

[22:42:59]

simonckenyon:

appears to be down again

[22:43:03]

justinh2:

do you all a favour if I did to be honest. Specially me

[22:43:22]

Dibblah:

jafa: So you have only run packaged versions against this DB?

[22:43:39]

justinh2:

arghh ffs now firefox is no longer opening. How much can one distro suck after a few hours?

[22:43:56]

Dibblah:

Never connected a patched version to the same network and had it accidentally upgrade the schema?

[22:43:58]

sphery:

I really don't see how this can happen in a non-modified DB--but it's happening relatively frequently (I've seen 3 or 4 mentions of it)

[22:44:03]

sphery:

so I'm /really/ confused

[22:44:12]

sphery:

I figured there must have been a patch out there that did that

[22:44:45]

jafa:

one machine, from mythbuntu packages, no install from source

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Dibblah:

Yup. Same here. These are with jya's packages, I would assume – But he did nothing which diddled with the schema.

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justinh2:

right. I've given karmic a fair chance. going back to an earlier version & they can go to hell with the 'improvements'

[22:45:26]

jafa:

btw – i have the root fs from before the upgrade (swapped root partitions)

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jafa:

so i can check versions etc

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tgm4883:

justinh, thanks for the constructive critism

[22:45:49]

** tgm4883 goes to hell **

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sphery:

Dibblah: I know *buntu's scripts seem to be restarting mythbackend when it dies--i.e. a DB upgrade fails, then it shuts itself down, then something in *buntu restarts it

[22:46:05]

Dibblah:

Ahhh!

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tgm4883:

sphery, that would be upstart in 9.10

[22:46:09]

sphery:

Dibblah: is it possible that they have some kind of monitor program running (monit or whatever) and it's querying on a port

[22:46:14]

justinh2:

pfft. now I can't even blimmin log out

[22:46:18]

Dibblah:

Okay, and it only keeps one DB backup.

[22:46:23]

sphery:

and it doesn't get a response and then it kills mythbackend (mid-upgrade) and restarts?

[22:46:45]

sphery:

Dibblah: yeah--that's another thing... one backup usually means by the time users figure it out, they've lost the backup

[22:46:49]

tgm4883:

sphery, or are you using 9.04?

[22:46:52]

sphery:

(the real, pre-upgrade backup)

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Dibblah:

... So the backup is actually done at a partial-upgrade point.

[22:47:05]

Dibblah:

Aaah, again.

[22:47:07]

sphery:

tgm4883: I'm not using *buntu--just asking about it

[22:47:12]

Dibblah:

Yes, if they're using monit...

[22:47:13]

** skd5aner is running 9.10 for 2 days, suffering about a day of pain in the process **

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tgm4883:

ah

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sphery:

so that may be it

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, sphery in 9.04, there is no auto-restart backend script

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Dibblah:

Then the listenport won't be up. So they will kill it partway through the schema update.

[22:47:59]

justinh2:

I installed subversion, openssh-server, erm... a couple of FF addons & dvb-apps & kaffeine. now the box is hosed. Sigh

[22:47:59]

sphery:

jafa: apologies for thinking you might have had a patched version or killed it--as it may have been your distro :)

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Dibblah:

tgm4883: Later?

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, sphery in 9.10, it uses upstart

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Dibblah:

In Karmic?

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jafa:

for this test i restored from the pre-upgrade backup, then ran mythtv-setup.real to skip all the ubuntu wrappers (so i could see the log)

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skd5aner:

justinh2: did you install 9.10 from scratch or upgrade?

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** _ben has been running 9.10 for months on end, no problems :) **

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justinh2:

scratch

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skd5aner:

and was it the standard desktop build or server?

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, still no restart script, but yea in karmic it uses upstart which would do that

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justinh2:

standard

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justinh2:

I've had it. no more of this. I don't have the time for it

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skd5aner:

hmmm – I usually run server, because it's barebones and I can piece together the items I need... not necessarily easier, but oftentimes cleaner

[22:48:43]

Dibblah:

Yeah, but upstart doesn't monitor anything apart from processes dying.

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ This should auto-restart mythbackend if it crashes

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skd5aner:

sorry – can't help you with the desktop version. I got ya, sometimes you got to cut your losses and move on

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sphery:

so, they /do/ run monit and ping the backend status port or something?

[22:49:25]

Dibblah:

Yeah, I've bashed heads with that upstart init replacement recently.

[22:49:27]

Dibblah:

No.

[22:49:32]

Dibblah:

Upstart is dumb.

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Dibblah:

(no offence intended ;) )

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tgm4883:

sphery, no, no monit

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sphery:

hmmm

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_ben:

So, I'm kinda looking for something like ZFS where i can dynamically add disks – is something like JFS going to do this for me?

[22:50:13]

sphery:

so still don't know why it might be dying mid-upgrade?

[22:50:14]

Dibblah:

Are the logs rotated?

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AndyCap:

_ben: LVM or use storage groups?

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, @ me?

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Dibblah:

Whoever – jafa, ...

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sphery:

I think the *buntu logs are just appended

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, IIRC, it's a daily rotation

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sphery:

eventually rotated

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Dibblah:

jafa: Can you host the mythbackend log somewhere so we can take a look?#

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Dibblah:

Or whatever did the schema update.

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jafa:

sure, though it is a 1-line error

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jafa:

as a quick test I deleted the column but more duplicate errors

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jafa:

(i have a backup and can restore at any time)

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sphery:

is it a 1214 schema backup?

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Dibblah:

No – I mean the entire log.

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justinh:

I know a lot of stuff gets changed in the name of progress.. but I think I'l just burn a copy of 8.04 & slap that on

[22:54:22]

Dibblah:

Including as much history as you have re schema versions (ie at least one good other startup, pre this attempt)

[22:54:22]

sphery:

if you have a 1214 schema backup, I'd love to get a copy of it to run a test upgrade

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jafa:

1214 – confirmed

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jafa:

one moment...

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sphery:

if you'd like to compress it and filebin it, I can try a test upgrade

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antgel:

does the mythtv user need to belong to the video group? mythtv-setup is complaining that it can't get Frontend ID info for my DVB card

[22:55:57]

justinh:

yup

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** Dibblah wants to know how /lib/udev is LSB compliant ;) **

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Dagmar:

It's not.

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sphery:

and FHS

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sphery:

I thought they changed it because of that?

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antgel:

by the way, 0.22 looks *juicy* :-DDDDDD

[22:56:47]

Dibblah:

And why in the name of all that is good have they "cleaned up" all of the udev scripts so they don't work with ANYTHING but the shipping kernel?

[22:56:58]

Dibblah:

That's just... Anal.

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Dagmar:

They wrote explicit kernel version checks?

[22:57:16]

Dibblah:

No.

[22:57:20]

Dagmar:

Oh, okay.

[22:57:33]

Dagmar:

You realize udev keeps getting little changes here and there, right?

[22:57:35]

Dibblah:

udev includes rules to make the /dev/dvb/* heirarchy.

[22:57:58]

Dibblah:

However, they *only* work with Karmic if you use the shipping kernel.

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Dibblah:

Same with /dev/snd

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Dagmar:

If you absolutely, positively need those, then you should be prepared to maintain a few private udev helper scripts

[22:58:25]

Dibblah:

Eh? Everything that uses DVB uses them.

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Dagmar:

So why are they not making these links then?

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Dibblah:

dvb-utils, Myth, mplayer,...

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Dibblah:

They do. If you use their kernel.

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jafa:

http://filebin.ca/mwdsry/jafa_mythconverg_20091101.sql.gz

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Dibblah:

Anything else – the udev rules don't trigger.

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Dagmar:

Ah then there's no problem. Glad to be of help

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sphery:

jafa: thanks

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Dagmar:

You gotta understand that I've been building my own kernels for over ten years and beating up udev for the last three at least

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Dagmar:

I am finding it hard to believe that this can be something they engineered into it deliberately

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Dibblah:

I don't think it is.

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Dagmar:

I can see a change in udev that requires a newer kernel happening tho

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Dagmar:

...because that's happened 3–4 times

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Dagmar:

at _least_

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Dibblah:

It's quite possibly a namespace option in the kernel that I'm missing.

[23:00:45]

Dagmar:

That's actually likely

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Dagmar:

The namespace stuff is on crack and keeps moving bits around

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Dibblah:

But I can't find it. And I know that 9.04 didn't require it.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i should still have my 1214 backup from last year

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: Did you have the same issue on upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

i recall having to wipe my people table, but that was the only issue

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_ben:

AndyCap: guess lvm might be the way to go then

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Dibblah:

Okay, so not required, then :)

[23:04:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I have a bunch of 1214 backups, but it was his--that's failing--I wanted to see. :)

[23:05:11]

sphery:

jafa: on the bright side, your 1214 backup looks good

[23:05:19]

sphery:

testing upgrade, now

[23:05:42]

jafa:

i am working my way through the errors

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justinh:

bah now I can't even find the firmware I need for the tuner card

[23:06:13]

justinh:

and guess what the technotrend website won't work in firefox

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Dibblah:

sphery: Does it have default_authority in the backup?

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sphery:

Dibblah: only where it's supposed to

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sphery:

jafa: it upgraded with 0 errors for me--something seems to be messing with your upgrade process

[23:07:23]

sphery:

jafa: are you running monit or anything?

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Dibblah:

Frontend and backend will start sequentially, but the schema update should be locked. Hmmm.

[23:08:09]

sphery:

jafa: if you really want, I can give you the upgraded DB backup, but it would be nice to know what's breaking the process)

[23:08:14]

jafa:

ps – nothing with myth or monit in the same

[23:08:59]

jafa:

possible funky version of myth shipping with Ubuntu 9.10?

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sphery:

I /think/ the upgrade code, besides doing the 5s wait to see if DBSchemaVer changes is /also/ paying attention to the schemalock, but if not, it's possible that could cause issues

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Dibblah:

5s?

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sphery:

(I haven't looked at all the new "Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1214"/"Timed out waiting." stuff that was put in

[23:10:11]

Dibblah:

Could it hit the window where it's doing the conversion to UTF8?

[23:10:15]

jafa:

apt reports mythtv 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1

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justinh:

wth? apt cache searches are returning results for which there are no installation candidates

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Dibblah:

Which takes waaay more than 5s.

[23:10:26]

sphery:

yeah, the 5s /will/ fail to detect this particular upgrade

[23:10:44]

Dibblah:

jafa: Bugger. It's a bug.

[23:10:51]

superm1:

jafa, monit isn't necessary with upstart in the system

[23:10:52]

sphery:

but I /think/ *someone* didn't actually decide he could ignore the schemalock

[23:10:58]

sphery:

if he did, we need to fix it

[23:11:18]

superm1:

jafa, upstart will monitor mythbackend and restart as necessary (in theory at least! :))

[23:11:23]

sphery:

superm1: does that mean that upstart is actively monitoring the responsiveness of the process?

[23:11:29]

sphery:

if so, that's likely the problem here

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jafa:

mythbackend is stopped

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sphery:

because during the upgrade it will be completely non-responsive (and killing it will do Bad Things)

[23:12:05]

sphery:

jafa: so you're upgrading with mythtv-setup?

[23:12:11]

jafa:

yes

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sphery:

and did you stop mythbackend in a way that upstart doesn't try to restart it?

[23:12:51]

jafa:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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jafa:

ps does not report myth

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Dibblah:

That's not upstart.

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sphery:

they link it to upstart

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jafa:

nod, but not running

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** sphery learned how *buntu does upstart from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7297 **

[23:13:47]

jafa:

try upgrading using mythbackend (manual)?

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sphery:

jafa: are you positive that no other mythtv-setup or mythbackend is running anywhere on your network?

[23:14:32]

justinh:

oh man this is beyond the pale. need the firmware. firmware downloader script is broken because the files moved. webpage won't work in firefox. Arghh

[23:14:43]

jafa:

positive, this is the only linux machine

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sphery:

if not, I'll look at the upgrade code to see if someone broke the schemalock. If so, I'll assume that works.

[23:14:57]

sphery:

hmmm... I'm really wondering why it won't upgrade properly.

[23:15:22]

sphery:

At rc1 (which I think is what 9.10 is using), the upgrade was (and is) identical

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justinh:

whoah. it's not firefox either. have they gone bellyup or something?

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jafa:

restored, repeating mythbackend update (without going through upstart)

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jafa:

error as before

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jafa:

http://pastebin.ca/1652258

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jafa:

i can pull the package source if there is something to check

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sphery:

I can't see how they'd have modified the schema update code

[23:19:19]

jafa:

checked ps before and after – nothing myth relaed

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sphery:

"new version: 1231" is suspicious--it shouldn't change the version if the upgrade fails

[23:20:05]

Dibblah:

It does.

[23:20:06]

justinh:

superm1: I take it mythbuntu comes with tuner firmwares?

[23:20:15]

jafa:

interesting... channelscan_dtv_multiplex isn't in the backup, must be new

[23:20:21]

Dibblah:

It uses it as a checkpoint, since it can't rollback...

[23:20:49]

Dibblah:

ie the schema update is not transactioned. So it updates to the last successful schema version.

[23:21:07]

superm1:

sphery, it doesn't monitor the responsiveness of the process, but it monitors if it crashes

[23:21:16]

superm1:

and will restart it if does

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superm1:

justinh, if you are missing tuner firmwares, linux-firmware-nonfree likely has them

[23:21:40]

superm1:

the hardware drivers tool is supposed to offer them to you in such situations

[23:21:47]

superm1:

they're included on the mythbuntu media, but not installed by default

[23:21:49]

k-man_:

i had this random thought the other day, would it be possible to stream the DVB-t recording directly to a TV that can do the decoding intself?

[23:22:03]

sphery:

jafa: yeah, it was added after 0.21

[23:22:12]

sphery:

channelscan_dtv_multiplex was, that is

[23:22:38]

jafa:

guess that 100% proves it is not related to the past DB history

[23:22:45]

sphery:

Dibblah: that's what I'm saying--1231 fails, so it shouldn't update to 1231

[23:23:09]

sphery:

jafa: yeah, your DB is fine (and I can give you the upgraded version if you like :)

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Dibblah:

New version is part of the error string, isn't it?

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sphery:

Dibblah: ah, yeah... you're right

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jafa:

happy to check/test anything... guessing it will be hell for you guys if every ubuntu upgrade has this problem

[23:24:51]

Dibblah:

Hmm. Should check the myth source they're using and see if there's any funky patches. :(

[23:25:22]

justinh:

aha cheers superm1 :)

[23:25:49]

superm1:

justinh, i dont have any of said hardware though. was hardware drivers not doing the trick and offering it to you?

[23:26:07]

justinh:

whatnow?

[23:26:25]

superm1:

in ubuntu and mythbuntu there is a tool called hardware drivers

[23:26:30]

justinh:

I was doing it the old fashioned way

[23:26:35]

justinh:

i.e. the way I know

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superm1:

it offers nvidia, fglrx, wl, b43, firmware and printer drivers

[23:26:56]

superm1:

it should have popped up something saying HEY YOU NEED FIRMWARE. CLICK ME. or something like that

[23:26:59]

justinh:

tested the card with scan, no dice. looked in dmesg & saw the fw wasn't loaded

[23:27:11]

justinh:

superm1: it nagged about the nvidia driver but not the dvb tuner

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superm1:

interesting, then i guess that means the logic for detecting firmware necessity might not be working for it

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Dagmar:

Wow. 116m49.258s to compile Qt4

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superm1:

is this from a mythbuntu or ubuntu install?

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justinh:

ubuntu

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superm1:

did you have multiverse enabled and an up to date apt cache when hardware drivers ran?

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justinh:

multiverse seems enabled by default

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superm1:

Ok, so was the apt-cache up to date then?

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superm1:

eg did you do updates at least once before the tool ran

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superm1:

or an apt-get update cycle at least once

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justinh:

hadn't got round to it

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superm1:

okay that's probably why

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superm1:

it needs an updated apt-cache in order to know of the existence

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justinh:

this isn't good news: my "system encountered a serious kernel problem"

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superm1:

the cache is updated for mythbuntu installs inherently (since it contains multiverse)

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sphery:

superm1: there aren't any substantive patches in Myth 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 , are there?

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justinh:

under CRDA "Error 2: no such file or directory".. huh?

[23:32:12]

jafa:

oh...

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justinh:

kernel oops. oh ffs

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jafa:

i let it install mythtv (clean), then restored my backup... the installer would have created the 0.22 tables and the restore would not have deleted them

[23:34:15]

sphery:

the installer creates 0.22 tables?

[23:34:26]

sphery:

so you restored on top of a blank DB?

[23:34:32]

sphery:

that would explain it

[23:34:42]

sphery:

you'd have to drop the blank DB, then restor

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Dibblah:

jafa: FYI – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ck.cpp#L4604

[23:35:01]

sphery:

jafa: and thank you /very/ much for helping figure this out

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jafa:

no problem, my mistake, good to understand what went wrong

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sphery:

yeah... It will make things /much/ easier for #5

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sphery:

glad you got it working--and figured it out for us

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jafa:

am i correct in thinking that there is no easy way to drop all tables without dropping the db (and pemissions)

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Dibblah:

justinh: That'll teach you for using drivers with binary blobs. Mwahahaha! ;)

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** sphery considers modifying the built-in backup script to tell mysqldump not to do "IF NOT EXISTS" on CREATE TABLES **

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sphery:

dropping DB doesn't drop permissions

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jafa:

ah, didn't know that... cool

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AndrewNC:

when using xv render path, is the high cpu usage of X reflective of xv usage?

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sphery:

jafa: you can re-create your DB with : DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE IF NOT EXISTS mythconverg; ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;

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sphery:

if you run mc.sql, it will add a new permission for mythtv/mythtv, so the above works

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Dibblah:

AndrewNC: Which video card?

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sphery:

and, no, the latin1 is /not/ a typo/mistake

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Dagmar:

wtf

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Dagmar:

Someone at Nokia needs a beating

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wagnerrp:

heh... seems i got the timezone bug last night

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AndrewNC:

nvidia driver on IGP 8300

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Dagmar:

A toolkit doesn't need to be freaking 793M in size

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sphery:

(it gets changed by any version of Myth that needs utf8)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what time zone bug?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the one where for an hour you can't start mythfrontend?

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AndrewNC:

watching 720p fox mfe ~ 30% cpu, X varries from low 20 to 90%

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sphery:

as that's the /only/ bug

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sphery:

and is still unconfirmed

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wagnerrp:

i updated and rebooted a SBE last night

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 2am

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Dibblah:

AndrewNC: Unset useevents in your xorg configuration, ISTR.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and mythfrontend didn't start

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wagnerrp:

and it must have been timed perfectly such that the MBE had cycled back while the SBE was still at 2am

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wagnerrp:

or visa versa

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, it had to be timed perfectly, because the frontend is running

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so you didn't experience an issue where for the whole "redundant" hour, you couldn't restart it?

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AndrewNC:

Dibblah: looks like I deleted that at some point, thx :)

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wagnerrp:

no, SBE started, connected to MBE, and shut down

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wagnerrp:

couple seconds later, the frontend connected just fine

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wagnerrp:

i just checked mythweb and noticed my tuners were offline

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jafa:

upgrade success!

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would happen if mfe sends the request QUERY_TIME_ZONE just before the DST switch and then checks its own stuff just after--but I will not call it a bug

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sphery:

just because if your time zone is the same but your times are not, there's a problem

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you happen to have the log showing that event?

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sphery:

I'd wonder if times are different or just UTC offset

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Dagmar:

Users need more beatin's

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sphery:

jafa: congrats!

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wagnerrp:

no, sorry... deleted it and started the backend moments before deciding they would be better to keep

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sphery:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

im reading through the frontend log currently

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wagnerrp:

seems im wrong

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wagnerrp:

i started things up 7 minutes past the changeover

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AndrewNC:

is nvidia UseEvents supposed tobe True or False, I can't recall

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wagnerrp:

and the frontend was complaining, closing, and restarting repeatedly until 1:43 when it magically decided to work

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sphery:

most likely should be True

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Dibblah:

If you have it, remove it.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which 1:43--the 2nd 1:43?

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Dibblah:

If that doesn't work, set it to true.

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wagnerrp:

the second

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wagnerrp:

i believe

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Dibblah:

If that doesn't work, set it to false.

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sphery:

do you have any of the failure messages?

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Dibblah:

If that doesn't work, google ;)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: meaning do you have any of the time-settings-difference messages? (or is this checking a monit log or something)

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wagnerrp:

now here is the really strange thing, i went down in the basement to start rebooting things at the first 1:43

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justinh:

oh shine a fricking light. does 0.21 not build on karmic or something?

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AndrewNC:

true is the one desired

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AndrewNC:

enables hardare driver callbacks instead of loop polling

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wagnerrp:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1652301

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skd5aner:

justinh: no, .21 doesn't build on karmic (at least when I tried)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and your system is using a hardware clock set to UTC, not local time?

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skd5aner:

but I also didn't try very hard to make it work either

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wagnerrp:

correct, UTC on both

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sphery:

this is a remote system?

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sphery:

not a combined frontend/backend?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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justinh:

does karmic have *anything* going for it? I mean apart from pulseaudio

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skd5aner:

he he

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wagnerrp:

apparently with a dead NTP server

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superm1:

sphery, we're trying to keep the patch load at a minimal and run as close to upstream as possible. let me get you a list of what we have

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why but this thing can never manage to stay connected

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sphery:

wagnerrp: can you please do on both the master backend and the remote frontend that failed to start: sha1sum /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York

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skd5aner:

justinh: a different shade of "brown" for the background! :D

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justinh:

ok yes for many people – but evidently not for me. time to burn a 8.04

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sphery:

superm1: nvm... we figured it out

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justinh:

I like the new desktop theme & all

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justinh:

& it's fast booting.. but umm.. I guess if I want it to be a distro I'd like I have to get my hands dirty

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sphery:

superm1: (we = jafa figured it out)--it turns out he was restoring his -fixes DB backup on top of the blank 0.22 DB that the packages gave him

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superm1:

sphery, okay well in case you're curious in the future, here's the patchset then http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . ian/patches/

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wagnerrp:

theyre different

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superm1:

sphery, oh that sounds like a mess waiting to happen :)

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sphery:

superm1: so he actually had 0.22 tables and the "IF NOT EXISTS" in the backup ignored the create table and did bad stuff

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wagnerrp:

although one being freebsd, the other gentoo, that doesnt surprise me

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justinh:

blank as in had tables but no data? eeew

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sphery:

yeah... I'm looking at mysqldump to see if I can tell it to not do the IF NOT EXISTS so that the user will get an error

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sphery:

rogjt

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skd5aner:

yea – 80% of my linux knowledge came from "why the heck won't this work" excerises

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sphery:

oops... that was right with the right hand moved one key to the right of home (or rogjt hand moved one key to the rogjt of home?)

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justinh:

man I shoulda bought a fan speed controller. this box is way too loud

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skd5aner:

what fan?

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skd5aner:

CPU?

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wagnerrp:

and the other frontend... has no logs

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sphery:

skd5aner: only 80%? You got off easy.

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jafa:

(ubuntu mythtv package creates the db and schema automatically)

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skd5aner:

haha – yea, I mean 98%

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justinh:

case fans x 4

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wagnerrp:

because 'avahi' owns the myth log directory

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skd5aner:

whoa! 4 case fans? why so many?

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justinh:

all on full pelt. wanna keep the HDDs cool

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superm1:

justdave, skd5aner wait why doesn't 0.21 build on karmic?

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wagnerrp:

WTF does avahi own /var/log/mythtv

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superm1:

i'll admit i havent tried in ages, but i didn't know of anything that changed that should prevent it

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wagnerrp:

they were cloned off the same image just last night

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wagnerrp:

i havent done anything since

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skd5aner:

superm1: I don't know – honestly, I think it might have to do with the gcc version?

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superm1:

do you have some build logs showing the FTBFS?

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justinh:

superm1: plodding through & it's failing on directfb now

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any tool for printing out these timezone bins?

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superm1:

it cant be disabled in ./configure ?

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skd5aner:

justinh: I have 2 case fans in most of mine now, intake and outtake, but generally 120mm fans

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skd5aner:

it's nice cause I can run them slower but they move more air

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wagnerrp:

we usually call them 'exhaust'

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skd5aner:

ha – yea, I know

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justinh:

sure it can be disabled

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k-man_:

has anyone tried mythtv on the acer revo r3600?

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justinh:

now I know why we had guys in here asking about that problem a while back lol

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wagnerrp:

k-man_: should work just fine

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't know of one...

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: yeah, looks like it from the specs – very tempting

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wagnerrp:

assuming you have some way to install an OS on it

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wagnerrp:

considering there is no CD drive

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sphery:

I actually looked for one , but haven't found anything

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: oh? oh... good point, never thought of that

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wagnerrp:

most distros can be installed over the network or from a USB drive anymore

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: maybe you can just connect the hdd to another computer and put the OS on that way?

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wagnerrp:

or you can just use PXE boot directly

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