Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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_ben:

can't remember the name?

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justinh:

but bear this in mind – the look/feel of all screens except the main menus will fall back to default xml files for 0.22

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skd5aner:

yea – I meant mythui compatbile themes :)

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skd5aner:

np though, I think it's time for a change

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justinh:

because I never updated anything else in pg, pg-wide, glass-wide, blootube family & neon-wide

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freakqnc:

Anyone among the present had MythTV working ?

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iamlindoro:

_ben, Terra

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justinh:

freakqnc: no, nobody has ever had mythtv working

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justinh:

freakqnc: why not try describing what you're having a problem with so that somebody might try to help?

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skd5aner:

freakqnc: first one wins a prize!

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iamlindoro:

I just keep renewing Schedules Direct as a joke

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android6011:

ya, its fun to look at guide data and see what youre missing

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freakqnc:

Well... where to start LinHES version did not work on Virtualized env using Virtual box

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iamlindoro:

that's like not even giving it a *chance* to work

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freakqnc:

then since I have a mac I tried to run the MacOS version that I got as a compiled bin

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justinh:

freakqnc: ah well that's your fault

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freakqnc:

Clearly my fault yup..

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justinh:

mythtv needs access to *real* video capture hw

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iamlindoro:

install it properly, in a real environment, on a platform that properly runs the backend

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freakqnc:

so I got the OS X version going but after setting up MySQL I get the error: MythTV has detected that the backend server is running

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iamlindoro:

s/is/is not/

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iamlindoro:

and it's not running, because what you downloaded was the frontend

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freakqnc:

My real Video capture HW works fine and gets detected... Cable box

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freakqnc:

Samsung HT3050

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iamlindoro:

So download mythbuntu, isntall it on some dedicated hardware, and enjoy

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freakqnc:

So I need to have it running on a separate machine?

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skd5aner:

what is your "real video capture HW"?

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freakqnc:

Firewire connection to cable box

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justinh:

mythtv backend is ideally placed on a linux box

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skd5aner:

oh – ok firewrie

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freakqnc:

I know.. that's why I virtualized LinHES... but no go

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freakqnc:

yes FW conenction

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justinh:

you can make it work on osx but only for networked tuners AFAIK

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justinh:

if you even get it that far

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freakqnc:

works ok with AVCBrowser (a mac developer tool DK for irewire)

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freakqnc:

Networked tuners?

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justinh:

mythtv != AVCBrowser though

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skd5aner:

k, first off – worry about getting mythbackend working

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skd5aner:

don't even TRY mythfrontend

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justinh:

freakqnc: yeah, IPTV sources, SiliconDust HDHR ..

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skd5aner:

they can be on the same device

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freakqnc:

really they are the same? Nah... the AVCBrowser program is part of an SDK from Apple

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iamlindoro:

!= == does not equal

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freakqnc:

I see IPTV... never tried that.

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skd5aner:

you'd have to know what IPTV is to use it

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skd5aner:

you can't just chose it

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freakqnc:

sorry didn't see the ! :)

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skd5aner:

here's the point...

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skd5aner:

yes, firewire works in some cases...

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skd5aner:

but you need to get your backend up and running on a platform that can access the hardware layer – for firewire, I doubt you'll be able to do that via a VM

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freakqnc:

My simple plan would be to have MythTV become the entertainment center... or at least give that a try and see if I like how it works

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freakqnc:

well I ditched the VM option and went the OS X route

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freakqnc:

but I get MythTV has detected that the backend server is running when accessing the setup

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justinh:

yeah cos you need to *stop* the backend running while you run mythtv-setup

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freakqnc:

Although it seem to keep the changes mage anyway... infact the FIREWIRE SMT-H3050 shows up as my capture card

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justinh:

because mythtv-setup makes changes which mythbackend only reads when it starts

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freakqnc:

But the backend is not running only MySQL is

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justinh:

setup wouldn't say it was if it wasn't

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freakqnc:

I see none in my activity monitor...

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freakqnc:

yup.. not there...only the MythTV-Setup running and telling me that MythBackend is running.

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freakqnc:

There are no processes that can be ID as MBE

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freakqnc:

And Activity monitor is pretty thorough :)

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freakqnc:

therefore I can't understand what the setup program is complaining about

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clever:

ps aux|grep mythbackend

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freakqnc:

I have my local backend and Master backend set to 127.0.0.1

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skd5aner:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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freakqnc:

that was clever! I gotta get me that CLI manual :P

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freakqnc:

can I kill process #?

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freakqnc:

apparently I can't kill it

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clever:

maybbe its running as another username

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clever:

might need su or sudo, not shure what mac calls it

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freakqnc:

shows as [user] toti 6821 0.0 0.0 599780 424 s000 R+ 8:17PM 0:00.00 grep mythbackend

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clever:

thats not mythbackend

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clever:

thats the 'grep mythbackend' command:P

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freakqnc:

darn emoticons... that's a zero.zero

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justinh:

what emoticons? ;-)

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justinh:

use a proper IRC client :O

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freakqnc:

when they'll have it for mac :P

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justinh:

irssi? lol

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freakqnc:

colloquy

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freakqnc:

:P

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** iamlindoro sets people seeking troubleshooting help via personal e-mail on fire **

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freakqnc:

my bad... haven't used this thing in a while. how my irc is turned straight LOL

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freakqnc:

ckever... how do I use that grep mythbackend command?

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freakqnc:

sorry (clever)

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clever:

freakqnc: you used it right, but it will always find itself also

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freakqnc:

does that tell me that the process is running?

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justinh:

hey since my backend machine got its reboot earlier it's super duper quick

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freakqnc:

what do the info it report mean?

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justinh:

firefox is now coming up in < 2 minutes!

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freakqnc:

Oh... do you need to reboot that often? I also read that it's good to backup the machine often...

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justinh:

backup the database often

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freakqnc:

nice speed :)

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justinh:

had 6 months uptime

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justinh:

it just locked up about 7pm tonight

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freakqnc:

wow... 6 months is not often :P

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freakqnc:

I can deal with that...

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clever:

i reboot as little as posible

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justinh:

I generally take it down more often than that for cleaning

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freakqnc:

maybe every other month or per quarter then...

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clever:

ive found that i can carefully clean the system with compressed air, without turning it off

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justinh:

mythbackend sometimes falls over, but way way less than desktop apps do :)

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clever:

blasts the dust out of the fans real good

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freakqnc:

cleaning the recording?

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freakqnc:

or cleaning dust?

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justinh:

clever: not a good idea to move or even slightly jolt a machine with spinning HDDs inside

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clever:

justinh: thats why i leave it parked where it is, and just remove 1 side cover

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freakqnc:

I see... dust :) yup that's a killer

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clever:

and then gently blast all the dust out

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justinh:

oof

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justinh:

still a bad idea

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justinh:

removing a cover even

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justinh:

HDDs fail much?

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clever:

that system has never had a hdd fail

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freakqnc:

but opening and running an HDD is fuuuuun!

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freakqnc:

:)

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justinh:

YET

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clever:

freakqnc: and ive done it:P

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freakqnc:

there are a lots of stuff you can do with it... lol

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justinh:

oh come on 120MB upload I want to go to bed

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clever:

freakqnc: i polished the platter with a q-tip, while it was running

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justinh:

61KB/sec upload. grrr

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freakqnc:

that's it'll do... could you use it later?

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clever:

freakqnc: it already hit the floor hard, years before i opened it

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freakqnc:

i know Justin.... I am impatiently awating FiOS in my area

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clever:

damage within the block allocation table of the FAT

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justinh:

gonna ask for ssh into the server I think. might be more robust than FTP

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clever:

if dir tried to total the used/free space, it would hardlock

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freakqnc:

LOL... why clean polish it then? more fun to scratch it with a pin and see what sounds it makes HAHAHA!

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clever:

freakqnc: that was after i put plenty of finger prints on it, and then discovered i could still read files:P

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freakqnc:

awesome... still can read files? did you use some sort of detergent or cleaning agent on the qtip?

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clever:

nope

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clever:

and i was reading files before i polished it off

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clever:

when it was covered in prints

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freakqnc:

nice... those advertising data rescue overscare people into thinking what you did would never be possible.

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clever:

it was an old drive that wouldnt even hold 400mb

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freakqnc:

get outta here.. well wait makes sense is magnetic not optical... so fingerprints should not impede reading

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clever:

newer drives may be more sensitive

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clever:

the prints dont damage the data, they damage the reading head

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freakqnc:

newer ones are so packed even the slight move may cause corruption

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clever:

ive had several laptop drives that are >2gig fail

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freakqnc:

I have the WD2002FYPS

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freakqnc:

the are paaaacked!

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freakqnc:

old tech... used to fail even at low density... I had a 1GB SCSI 50 on my old 7600 and was gone in 3 years with no chance to recoup it

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clever:

i originaly suspected the gateway hdd's where failing because of the hdd density

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freakqnc:

leave and learn... to backup when you can :P

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clever:

until i stuck a stable 300mb drive in

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clever:

and it failed within 24 hours

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clever:

hungry bastard!

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freakqnc:

cheap power controllers on mobo

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clever:

yeah, thats probly it

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freakqnc:

a lot of systems I put together had no problems, but hdd failure and seemed to be very high if certain mobo were used

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clever:

this was an old gateway laptop

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clever:

i think its the first color laptop we owned

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freakqnc:

Asus was one of them... but that was before core duo and newer mobos

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freakqnc:

when I think that a friend still has an apple 190 with a grayscale LCD that still works I remember why I used to like mac so much :PP

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clever:

i have a working toshiba t2100, grey scale lcd

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freakqnc:

although now are coming up with lots of eyecandy in the consumer targeted range...

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clever:

ive had a hdd fail in a dell, but it was likely because i was constantly swaping it out

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freakqnc:

toshiba and fujitsu are pretty good!

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clever:

my toshiba took a soaking and didnt fully shutoff

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clever:

i got home one day, and it wasnt on irc with its bots

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freakqnc:

yeah... although it spins constantly HDDs do not like to be moved around too much

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clever:

wouldnt respond to ping

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clever:

freakqnc: i was swapping it out with the laptop off

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freakqnc:

I sure hope so :)

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freakqnc:

or it would explain why it died Hahaha

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clever:

i find that moving the entire laptop about doesnt cause any problems

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clever:

even when i pump it into a wall by mistake

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freakqnc:

My remark was about the fact that HDD are used to a lot of motion because while on they constantly spin... but as soon as one takes them around and adds other kinds of motions (non spinning one of the platters) then they start getting "motion sickness" and they are likely to even die from it! :P

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freakqnc:

by mistake?

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mchou:

so 1TB WD green HDD for $60

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freakqnc:

whaaaaa! the darn thing still complains about "could not connect to the master backend server" — is it running?

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mchou:

wonder if it's time to pull the triggah

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freakqnc:

that's a niiice price!

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freakqnc:

not even newegg has that!

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mchou:

Frys

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mchou:

going on now

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freakqnc:

I will not by buying HDDs for a while... I finally got a QNAP TS 639 Pro with 2TB drives! Yummy!

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mchou:

still, 2TB would be nice

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freakqnc:

they are still pricey and somewhat risky...

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freakqnc:

that's why I bought the enterprise grade ones (had to wait a lot and spend some more dough, but may give some additional peace of mind)

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

I dont really care if they go south

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freakqnc:

unless holographic storage goes mainstream the magnetic tech really topped out

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mchou:

I mean that will be an inconvienience but not catastohic

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mchou:

catastrophic*

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mchou:

I mean shows always repeat anyways

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walstib:

Anybody having problems compiling trunk? I'm getting: transcode.o: In function `Transcode::GetProfile(QString, QString, int, int)':

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walstib:

transcode.cpp:(.text+0x147c): undefined reference to `RecordingProfile::loadByGroup(QString const&, QString const&)'

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sphery:

walstib: likely need much more context to figure it out, but I'll guess that you have 0.21-fixes libs installed on your system

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freakqnc:

mchou: if do not care try this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145276

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sphery:

context belongs in pastebin, btw

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freakqnc:

although a little less than 3x the price it's a 2TB and is a Toshiba

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freakqnc:

sorry hitachi :P

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mchou:

desthstar

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mchou:

deathstar*

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walstib:

I had trunk compiled and installed and then got the latest from svn

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mchou:

freakqnc: only WD hdds have ever failed on me

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freakqnc:

walstib you may want to try #mythtv (that's a dev room(

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walstib:

ah, ok, thanks

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sphery:

no stay here

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iamlindoro:

don't go to #mythtv

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Dibblah:

And it's not a damn room.

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Dibblah:

This is IRC. ;)

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sphery:

walstib: please do: make -j 1 2>&1 | tee mklog

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freakqnc:

ehehe... ok

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sphery:

walstib: and then pastebin the contents of mklog

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freakqnc:

touchy! :P

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sphery:

it's not Internet Room Chat?

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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freakqnc:

that's what has been called since the dawn of IRC :)

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** elmojo laughs **

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iamlindoro:

A channel? Ummmm nope.

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freakqnc:

well let's not beaker about who killed who... it's a happy occasion! :D

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iamlindoro:

er a room

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iamlindoro:

it *is* a channel, damn my functionali illiteracy

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iamlindoro:

^^ case in point

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freakqnc:

you are right.. channel it is...

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sphery:

is functionali Italian?

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freakqnc:

no it's not...

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freakqnc:

it's functional + i

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android6011:

i dont think have my frontend on a flash drive is going to pan out

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freakqnc:

lol

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Dibblah:

Why?

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sphery:

ah, so like functionali is what you have before "an eye for an eye"?

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android6011:

well i should say "this" flash drive

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freakqnc:

in italian would be funzionale :)

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mchou:

va fungile

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mchou:

fungole*

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freakqnc:

yes and eye for and eye... it's an offer you can't refuse...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, it's what you get when you combine Yoda's grammar and a broken space bar

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iamlindoro:

sphery, functionaliam

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freakqnc:

vaffanculo... mchou :P

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walstib:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/d4cb442e5

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sphery:

heh

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Dibblah:

walstib: I saw that recently. You need to fully uninstall your packaged version first.

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freakqnc:

you are not making sense... I guess that's chinitalian?

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Dibblah:

Headers + libs.

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Dibblah:

Then make distclean in the source and rebuild (after flushing ccache)

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walstib:

Dibblah: ok, I'll look into that – thanks

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sphery:

yeah, all looks good here

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luke_:

how can i get mythvideo to search into sub-directories of my main storage folder?

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sphery:

mythvideo always searches sub directories of video directories

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android6011:

does anyone actually use a wiimote with mythtv?

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sphery:

just man up and hit the person next to you without using the remote as an excuse

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, very few updates to 0.22-fixes... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(since yesterday)

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iamlindoro:

lots to trunk

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iamlindoro:

mostly by me

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: anything you'll be backporting? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

backports suck

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iamlindoro:

unless they're bugfixes

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J-e-f-f-A:

true. ;-)

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luke_:

sphery: I can only see videos directly in my storage location, nothing in the sub directories, do i need to enable something?

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bobbies:

Is there a known problem with mythvideo getting the covers? I updated .21 to not use IMDB and it is pulling everything properly but the covers.

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobbies: I have seen similar issues with 0.22-fixes with some videos, but doing it a 2nd or 3rd time *usually* pulls it in. It just may be that IMDB doesn't have a cover for that movie...

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... TMDB

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bobbies:

J-e-f-f-A: I'll give them a few tries. It's ever movie so I don't think it's a missing cover

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobbies: Ok, It doesn't happen with *every* movie for 0.22-fixes... and I never changed my 'live' 0.21-fixes box to TMDB, so I can't check it there.

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bobbies:

cool thanks, giving it a few tries didn't make a difference. It said it was fetching poster but nothing shows up. Maybe a permissions thing? Are the covers stored seperately?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobbies: I would think they'd be in the same directory they used to be in for IMDB.

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bobbies:

J-e-f-f-A: I just got myth running so IMDB never worked for me

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobbies: ok, in that case, yes, there's a video covers directory configured somewhere – I believe it's in the setup menus within mythfrontend, let me look...

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J-e-f-f-A:

bobbies: Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> Media Settings -> Video Settings -> General Settings -> Directory that holds movie posters:

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bobbies:

thanks, I'll check to see what dir its writing to

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skd5aner:

OK... I'm about to take the plunge and upgrade to .22-fixes

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bobbies:

hmm the dir didnt exist so I created it set the permissions but still nothing :(

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anenigma:

would this channel be the appropriate place to ask about jamu.py, the mythvideo metadata fetching thing?

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: yes

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: What is the issue with jamu?

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bobbies:

arg

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bobbies:

am I missing something. The movie covers directory didn't exist so I made it then I chowned it to mythtv:mythtv but still nothing.

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anenigma:

i'm getting http://paste2.org/p/491586 with jamu. it's saying that the (fanartdir) is missing. there's a storage group set up for it, the same directory is specified in conf file

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: Looking at the paste now

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RDV_Linux:

Set your graphics directories up through mythtvsetup for storage groups or the FE for local directories. When jamu is running any myth (-M) option it does not use the jamu.conf for directories.

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anenigma:

humm. i thought i did that. i have storage groups called "Fanart","Trailers", etc, all pointing to existing and writable directories

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: Do you have a Videos storage group? Jamu can only use local directories for graphics if you only have a local Video set up in the front end.

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anenigma:

ooh. don't have a "Videos" group no. ok, i'll see how that goes

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anenigma:

yup, that fixed it, thanks :)

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: np

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RDV_Linux:

anenigma: Just a warning that if you have a FE video directory that is the same directory as your Videos storage group directory you will get duplicates. Just have the one setting per directory.

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anenigma:

ok, thanks

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mindoms:

hi. i had .21 (backed up DB), now clean installed .22.. now i wanted to insert my recordings-info back into the DB like http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 suggests. ERROR: Unknown column 'offset' in 'field list'

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mindoms:

... i guess i didnt RTFM :/

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Dibblah:

Remove 0.22, restore your backup, then reinstall 0.22.

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pac1:

mythbackend seems to be in a loop trying to upgrade from dbschemaver 1230 to 1231. What's the way out? Ubuntu 9.10 0-22-rc1

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mindoms:

dibblah, thanks... though i wanted to get rid of my previous settings. ..

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pac1:

maybe a upgrade?

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mindoms:

but.. .22 really rocks so far. swithching in dvb is faster, especially within one multiplex. and the eyecandy :)

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sphery:

mindoms: don't do a partial restore--there's no reason for it

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sphery:

mindoms: do a full restore and then go through and edit settings

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mindoms:

okay, i got it.thanks

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sphery:

the partial restore instructions are no longer there for 0.22, anyway

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sphery:

it's not a recommended action, anymore

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mindoms:

okay, thanks for the heads up. i guess it will be easier anyway. most settings are fine the way they were

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pac1:

how do you stop the backend on 9.10

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sphery:

pac1: it's automatically stopping when it fails the upgrade

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sphery:

pac1: however, your "helpful" distro is automatically restarting it

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sphery:

pac1: also, it's impossible for that column to already exist unless you broke your DB schema before the upgrade

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pac1:

ok i got it to stop.

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pac1:

now the trick is to get the upgrade to actually happen.

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sphery:

pac1: whatever you did to break your DB schema, just undo it

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sphery:

i.e. you applied some patch that changed the schema, so undo whatever the patch did

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pac1:

not sure what would have broken it.

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pac1:

seems to hang up somewhere between 1230 and 1231

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pac1:

Where is the upgrade script kept?

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sphery:

yeah, 1231 update which adds default_authority column to a couple of tables

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sphery:

and you had one of the DVB-S patches or whatever it was that had already done that

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sphery:

DVB-S2 maybe?

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pac1:

ok, so i took it out.

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pac1:

was it in more than one?

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sphery:

you need to undo /all/ the changes that went in as a result of the patch

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pac1:

unknown what they would be.

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sphery:

unknown to me, also

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sphery:

sorry

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pac1:

sow where to look for the actual upgrade sql?

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sphery:

If you like, I'll give you an empty 0.21-fixes DB, then you can use a full restore of it ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore ) and then a partial restore of your DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup )

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sphery:

you'd keep all data that's not re-creatable, but you'd have to reconfigure all of mythtv and all your plugins

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sphery:

http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconve . . . blank.sql.gz

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sphery:

if you want

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sphery:

full restore of -blank, then partial restore of yours, then start mythtv-setup to upgrade db, then configure mythtv-setup

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sphery:

then start mythbackend, then start mythfrontend and configure it and all the plugins

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pac1:

yuk.

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sphery:

that's the penalty for messing with the DB schema :)

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pac1:

who messed with the schema?

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sphery:

(or using a patch that does it)

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pac1:

not me.

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pac1:

didn't use a patch.

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sphery:

then it couldn't fail with a duplicate column name

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sphery:

unless it was upgrading and you killed mythbackend (or mythtv-setup--whichever was doing the upgrade) when it was part way through the upgrade

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sphery:

in which case, just restore the pre-upgrade backup, then start over

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pac1:

something like that occurred.

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sphery:

ok, so you should have a pre-upgrade backup

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sphery:

if you created one specifically, you can use it

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sphery:

if not, it should have created one for you

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sphery:

it would go into a dir in the DB Backups storage group, or--if you don't have a DB Backups SG defined--into a dir in the Default storage group

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sphery:

it should be called mythconverg-1214-<some date/time>.sql.gz

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sphery:

follow the directions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore to restore it

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pac1:

mythconverg-1214–20091018111913.sql

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sphery:

that would be it

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pac1:

that's way back on 1214

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sphery:

1214 is -fixes

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sphery:

aren't you just now upgrading from fixes?

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pac1:

ok.

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sphery:

1214 is 0.21-fixes, I should say

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pac1:

yes.

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sphery:

perfect (that 1214 is DB schema version)

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sphery:

not Dec 14 :)

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pac1:

ok so blow away mythconverg?

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sphery:

though that one was done on Oct 18

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sphery:

do you have a newer one somewhere?

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pac1:

no.

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sphery:

like one with today's date?

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pac1:

I could log out and go back to ubuntu 9.04 and do that.

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pac1:

pain.

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sphery:

that would be best

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pac1:

yeah.

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sphery:

otherwise, you'll lose all the data from the last week and a half

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pac1:

hate to flip back and forth. want to go FORWARD!

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pac1:

you're right.

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pac1:

later, and thanks.

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sphery:

you can back up with: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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pac1:

all set withthat.

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sphery:

cool

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pac1:

bye

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pac1:

"born to be a dba"

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android6011:

is there like a search box for myth irc logs?

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wagnerrp:

beirdo has a search feature, i dont remember how to get to it

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sphery:

android6011: there's always Google with site:http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/

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android6011:

ok thanks

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sphery:

i.e. "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS site:http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/" (no quotes)

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jya:

any sed experts here ?

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wagnerrp:

i can fudge my way though sed, but i wouldnt consider myself an expert

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jya:

I have a regular expression that works in python because there are non greedy operator

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jya:

but can't get sed to see those, it only works with greedy operator :(

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jya:

basically I was to change a configuration line like:

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jya:

dlext=word1 word2 word2

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jya:

and I want to add:

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jya:

word3 word4 etc..

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jya:

problem I'd like not to add word3 and word4 if they already exist

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jya:

with non-greedy operator I do this

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jya:

(dlexts=([a-z0–9]+ *)+?)((word3 word4)? *$|(word3 word4)? ([a-z0–9]+ ?)+ *$)

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jya:

all this work because I have a +? which is the non-greedy version of +

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jya:

been stuck on this for 2 hours :(

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wagnerrp:

the words you want to scan for are always at the end of the list?

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jya:

well, in most cases yes... But I wanted it to work if they are anywhere on the list (in the right order).

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jya:

that way even if another script mess up my config line by adding more options, upgrade would still work

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jya:

I guess I'm looking at this the wrong way round, what I could do instead is 2 sed command, first one remove the word, 2nd one add it

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wagnerrp:

this looks like it might be useful... http://osdir.com/ml/editors.sed.user/2005-11/msg00062.html

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wagnerrp:

looks like 'ssed' will work with the line you have directly

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jya:

I looked at that thread, what they do is exclude a specific character ...

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jya:

ssed isn't found on your typical machine though

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wagnerrp:

although at 3am, after several hours of digging through ppp docs, im a bit burned out to understand regexes

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jya:

:)

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jya:

I know the feeling

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wagnerrp:

youre right, it just skips the entire first chunk of the search

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wagnerrp:

why not use some in-line perl?

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wagnerrp:

thats certainly going to exist

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wagnerrp:

pipe the file in, dump the file out

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wagnerrp:

might not be as clean as sed...

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mchou:

lord

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jya:

the machine I'm using is an embedded box, no perl :(

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jya:

can always compile it for

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mchou:

jya: good for you

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mchou:

jya: no need to pollute stuff with perl

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jya:

well, give me my one-liner in sed then, problem solved :)

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mchou:

jya: why dont you give us a real example of what dlext looks like

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jya:

I gave you one above

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mchou:

I have no idea if it's an arbitrary stream or a table

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jya:

dlext=word1 word2 word2

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jya:

it's in a configuration file (text)

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mchou:

you tried sed -e?

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jya:

sed + and * repeater are greedy, -e or not

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mchou:

use backreferences and check if word2 repeats itself in the backrefernce

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jya:

.. never mind...

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EnderTheThird:

Is there a way to use commflag on things not in myth's recorded programs list?

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EnderTheThird:

I have some shows that I recorded before my DB went to crap that I didn't get transcoded after commflagging. I'd like to flag the commercials, transcode them, and then just add them to my Videos directory

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wagnerrp:

you can specify a file path rather than a chanid/starttime

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wagnerrp:

and the data gets written to filemarkup

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how much of that is actually functional

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, so I might be SOL eh?

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wagnerrp:

its really only intended to add a seeklist for files in mythvideo when using the Internal player

[07:52:26]

wagnerrp:

just use some 3rd party editor, and find the ads manually

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EnderTheThird:

If I just copy the .mpg's from the storage group to my videos folder, will I be able to watch them with the internal player or will the seek list be hosed?

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wagnerrp:

you will be able to watch them just fine

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wagnerrp:

but fastforward will have some issues

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wagnerrp:

since the internal player really expects to have that keyframe data

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EnderTheThird:

Any recommendations on said software for Linux? Never really do video editing; that's why I have myth, heh

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EnderTheThird:

No way to generate keyframe data unless it's a recording

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wagnerrp:

avidemux

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EnderTheThird:

?

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EnderTheThird:

avidemux have a gui by chance?

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag has an option to just regenerate the seek data

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wagnerrp:

avidemux is a gui app

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wagnerrp:

ever used virtualdub? its very similar

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EnderTheThird:

Whew. I've battled with ffmpeg enough (probaly < 5 times, heh) to know CLI with video is not fun for me

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, long time ago. I'll check it out

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EnderTheThird:

Mental note: If I'm not going to watch a show that night, at least verify comflagging and transcode it. Doh!

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wagnerrp:

or just make backups, or otherwise take measures such that your database doesnt get hosed

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EnderTheThird:

I do have backups. But I can't get them to show up.

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EnderTheThird:

I've tried the partial recovery on the wiki too, but I get the same problem I had before (recordings not showing up in Watch Recordings). And I've been through every Group Filter so that's not the problem (per faq mentioning it)

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EnderTheThird:

I can recover the DB and view everything in mythweb, but I can't do anything with the recordings from the FE

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EnderTheThird:

Trying to figure out how to make multiple A---B selections on here, hmmm.

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EnderTheThird:

Nevermind

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sphery:

wilbur-d: "IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card" in trunk/0.22-fixes

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wilbur-d:

thanks, i don't have that option though.

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wilbur-d:

but card does work

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sphery:

then your myth isn't compiled with IVTV support

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wilbur-d:

ok, thanks. i'll look into that. i built it from AUR (arch)

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Seventoes:

my machine is connected to my tv through a VGA to component video converter, since my TV only has that for input, is there anything i can do to fix the jitter?

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wilbur-d:

sphery, do you know the flag for that off the top of your head?

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Seventoes:

anyone know how to get a joypad's joysticks to map to the arrow keys?

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satfan39:

hi

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satfan39:

hi to everyone

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satfan39:

I am looking for support for mirobridge

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satfan39:

the thing runs ok from my terminal but crashes after a few seconds when started via crontab

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satfan39:

according to mythtv.org it could be the config.xml file that is not found

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satfan39:

but in my case the config.xml file is ok and located in the .mythtv directory

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satfan39:

this is the error message I get in the log

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satfan39:

/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/MySQLdb/__init__.py:34: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated

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satfan39:

from sets import ImmutableSet

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satfan39:

2009-10–31 09:52:01,298 – mirobridge – INFO – Using python library 'pyparsing' version 1.5.0

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satfan39:

/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythLog.py:34: DeprecationWarning: BaseException.message has been deprecated as of Python 2.6

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satfan39:

self.message = message

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satfan39:

Exception AttributeError: "'MythDB' object has no attribute 'db'" in <bound method MythDB.__del__ of <MythTV.MythDB.MythDB object at 0xb79df26c>> ignored

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satfan39:

2009-10–31 09:52:04,320 – mirobridge – CRITICAL – MythTV python bindings could not be imported

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mindoms:

imusing .22 with terra theme. is it possible to scroll in the description after pressing "i" twice?

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atterdag:

mythtv 0.22 in karmic doesnt seem to be able to find my DVB-T card. Its a double tuner Hauppauge Nova-T 500, but I see that the devices have been made by udev. However I think mythtv-setup expects to find the devices at /dev/dvb/... but in fact they are called /dev/dvb0.frontend0 and dvb1.frontend0

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atterdag:

is it in anyway possible to change the way mythtv tries to find the devices?

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gbee:

unintended side effect of new PSU and new 'green' drive is that my desktop is now beautifully quiet, barely audible and probably not even that when I get the cover back on

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pac1:

um

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pac1:

/mythconverg_restore.pl /media/video/mythconverg-1214–20091031080232.sql gets ERROR: The database does not exist.

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pac1:

but it does exist...

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kshots:

Just for reference, in case anybody attempts it... an atom 230/330 makes a rather miserable backend – it's days behind on commercial scanning

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kshots:

tends to average between 4–7 fps according to the logs... it's going to get further and further behind. I think I shouldn't have tried to get a more efficient machine when my athlon x2 died :(

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brad2:

kshot that blows, sorry to hear it!

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jduggan:

id have thought it was obvious that an atom 230/330 would make for a poor backend

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kshots:

I didn't think the backend needed to do much... I was wrong. I don't blame anyone but myself, though... just warning others

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

transcoding and commflagging are cpu whores, you might consider using a slave backend for such jobs

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kshots:

the recordings themselves are good, though... at least it gets that much right... I just have to be picky on what needs to be commercial scanned, I think

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kshots:

Can a machine that's not always on and has no encoders be a slave backend?

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mchou:

kshots: wow, that's classic. atom as backe= end :)

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mchou:

kshots: you know you can laucnch commercial flagging and transcoding jobs elsewhere from the lan, right?

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mchou:

launch*

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mchou:

kshots: they dont have to be slave backends

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mchou:

in fact they dont necessarily even have to be backends at all

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skd5aner:

good morning – what's the best way to make sure myth is complete "uninstalled" from a system (compiled from source)

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kshots_:

install from source with a package manager, and use the package manager to uninstall

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skd5aner:

ok – that would be if I had done that... but, I just used a make install

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kshots_:

well, I suppose it would depend on what options you or your distribution passed to each of the --dirs arguments during configure

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mchou:

skd5aner: make unistall?

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mchou:

uninstall*

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kshots_:

oops

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** kshots_ is embarrassed now – of course there's that **

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kshots_:

(assuming he kept his sources around)

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skd5aner:

I tried that – no rule to uninstall

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skd5aner:

:(

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brad2:

okay really silly question. I have an hdpvr. If i want to record in ac3 sound format, I need an optical cable, instead of those red and white cables?

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mchou:

skd5aner: find / -name "*myth*" :)

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skd5aner:

mchou: yea – that's what I was thinking I'm going to have to do in this case

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mchou:

skd5aner: that would give you most of the pertinent dirs

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kshots_:

the way to be sure is to look at each of the Makefile.am files, and look at all the outputs... then find them on your system

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mchou:

skd5aner: from there it would be easy

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skd5aner:

well, was able to do make uninstall on my fronted at least

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skd5aner:

thanks guys

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skd5aner:

getting ready to take the plunge to .22, want to clean things up a bit

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kshots_:

are you sure you spelled it right, then? typos can be a pain

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skd5aner:

haha – yea :)

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skd5aner:

I think I might have accidently done a make clean/make dist-clean on the source on my MBE

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mchou:

I find it hard to believe there's no uninstall target

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mchou:

that would make no sense whatsoever

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mchou:

especially since it worked on the FE

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skd5aner:

even if I did clean?

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mchou:

even if you did clean it wouldnt nuke the makefile

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skd5aner:

hmmm – not sure then mchou

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mchou:

it might clear some other stuff but it's not gonna nuke the makefile

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skd5aner:

make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop.

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skd5aner:

what window manager are you guys running

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gbee:

distclean will delete the Makefile

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kshots_:

I haven't used that feature of auto-tools much... but it's possible that after a 'make install', it creates a new Makefile that has an 'uninstall' target

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skd5aner:

gbee: ty – I think that's what I must have done – oh well, just doing it manually now

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jarle:

If I have understood this correctly, a "title search" schedule is only scheduled once a week?

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kshots_:

skd5aner: a better solution, if you know what you passed to ./configure, is to build and install the whole thing again, then run 'make uninstall'

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skd5aner:

yea – I just upgraded to ubuntu 9.10, and I was no longer able to compile the .21-fixes – there was a gcc error

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skd5aner:

using it as an excuse to switch to .22-rc2

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kshots_:

interesting... which version of gcc does 9.10 ship with, then?

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gbee:

jarle: I think that's incorrect, but I can't really be more specific because I'm really not sure which rule type you are talking about, whether it's mythfrontend or mythweb etc

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gbee:

kshots_: config.log contains the args passed to configure and ./configure --prev uses the last used arguments

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kshots_:

even after a distclean?

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gbee:

yeah, config.log isn't wiped

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jarle:

gbee: Title search in mythweb

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gbee:

of course if the last used arguments were nothing, then that's what --prev would give you

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kshots_:

ok, that sounds like his best/cleanest bet

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skd5aner:

kshots_:4:4.4.1–1ubuntu2

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kshots_:

but that still leaves the possibility that since he upgraded his distro, some of the dirs are not going to come up the same (aclocal stuff)

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kshots_:

skd5aner: ok, I haven't tried gcc beyond 4.3.4 yet

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skd5aner:

lesson learned – should have cleaned it up before the distro upgrade

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gbee:

jarle: ok, I'm not really sure how it's implemented in mythweb but on the scheduler side a search rule isn't limited to any timeframe, it has the same selection of rule types as anything else so a title search on 'News' can record just once; in a particular timeslot; on a particular channel; at any time etc

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jarle:

gbee: I have a title search set to record any time on any channel, but I am unable to limit it to only record one instant of the show. It will record the same show several times a day.

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kshots_:

skd5aner: If you're serious about installing it, you probably want to make sure you install it via your package manager, so it can keep track of everything installed

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skd5aner:

hmmmm, I'll have to read up on that. I use apt all the time, but have not tried to package anything myself

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skd5aner:

kshots_: what's the downside to *not* doing it that way?

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kshots_:

I do it all the time with ebuilds... I don't want to go through the hassle of finding every little scrap of a package to remove on upgrading

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skd5aner:

just harder to remove later on?

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kshots_:

pretty much

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kshots_:

also harder to upgrade

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justinh:

gah. backend locked up again just now :(

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justinh:

twice in 24 hours. methinks the box might be poorly

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kshots_:

also, if you build one package, building another of the same type is usually trivial

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jarle:

gbee: I have a title search for "Louis Theroux". This will match a show with the title "Louis Theroux: abcd" with empty subtitle and empty description. And it will schedule to record all repeats of this show...

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skd5aner:

so – lets say I want to checkout trunk weekly, how would hte process go? Compile trunk, package, deploy, repeat?

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kshots_:

skd5aner: close... compile trunk, package, remove existing package, deploy, repeat

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skd5aner:

ok – I was wondering about that

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skd5aner:

so, remove old, install new

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kshots_:

yeah

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skd5aner:

hmmm – I might try that out

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justinh:

syslog isn't showing anything obvious :-\

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skd5aner:

thanks

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gbee:

jarle: you need someone who is more familiar with mythweb than me

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jarle:

gbee: ok, I did not know there was a difference between mythweb and frontend schedules?

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skd5aner:

gbee: mind teaching a newb something real quick? What does make clean/make dist-clean do exactly and what are the differences?

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justinh:

both use the same syntax AFAIK

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justinh:

(mythweb & mythfrontend schedule searches)

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skd5aner:

I know from a high level the basically get rid of what you've compiled and "reset" the environment – but not sure to what extent

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kshots_:

'make distclean' is supposed to return the source back to the condition it was in before configure was run, iirc

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jarle:

I mythweb schedule can be edited and saved from the frontend...

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kshots_:

at any rate, I gotta go... good luck, skd5aner

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ikkeT:

does mythweather work for anyone outside us/uk? can't find finnish weathers...

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justinh:

nothing obvious I said. Oh yeah "Oct 31 10:25:57 mythbackend kernel: [49734.231426] mythbackend[13916]: segfault at 000038c4 eip b591a05a esp a0cfcf30 error 4"

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justinh:

the kernel segfaulted? Christ

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justinh:

hope it's not memory. DDR will cost me a fortune

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superm1:

hey guys, i've gotten this twice now since switching to a video card that supports VDPAU: "Unable to create VDPAU buffers". When it happens, myth doesn't nicely exit out of playback, but instead forces me to log out/in

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superm1:

for reference, my video card is a 9500GT, and i'm on release-22-fixes, r22594

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justinh:

time to memtest methinks, can't really be anything else since I've not changed the kernel like ever :(

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gbee:

skd5aner: basically 'clean' deletes the compiled objects/binaries, distclean does all that and removes the Makefiles and everything else created by configure (aside from the log)

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justinh:

why is there never a bloody distro cd when you need one?

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gbee:

justinh: aye, frustrating ... I've been waiting for this Mandriva DVD iso to download so I can restore my desktop :(

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[Peter]:

justinh: that's not a kernel segfault, it's the new segfault reporting. it was mythbackend that died

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all, probably a simple one for you. i'm running frontend/backend on one machine, and ubuntu with mythtv installed on another machine. having difficulty connecting to the backend. in control center, i can test the connections succesfully, but when i try to watch tv, it says "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? is the ip address set for it in the setup program correct?" any suggestions? do i hav

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skd5aner:

gbee: ty

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gbee:

distclean is normally only necessary if the architecture or linked libraries change major versions etc

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gbee:

i.e. when the Makefiles reference libraries which are no longer available or processor optimisations which aren't valid anymore

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brad2:

hey gbee, is there a way to switch between playback profiles via remote key? Or do you have to go to setup each time you want to switch?

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justinh:

[Peter]: the machine is called mythbackend

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justinh:

and it'd locked up completely

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xand:

imaginative name :p

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justinh:

yeah in hindsight, not the best name to pick

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[Peter]:

justinh: yeah, but it still was the mythbackend process that segfaulted. but I guess it could've both crashed the process and locked the system if the memory was bad

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justinh:

up til yesterday, about 6 months of uptime

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[Peter]:

mythbackend kernel: [49734.231426] mythbackend[13916]: segfault at, second mythbackend is process name

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justinh:

might finally have to concede the hardware is due for replacement – I dunno how old it is, but let's say more than 8 years

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[Peter]:

and now my backend died as well, wth.

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mchou:

it's contagious

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mchou:

wine flu on myth

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mchou:

swine*

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skd5aner:

what window managers are you guys using?

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[Peter]:

on the mythbox? none

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justinh1:

gigabyte ga-7vt board, bought it not long after I'd moved into this house so it's 10 years old now. heh

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gbee:

it took me years to infiltrate the mythtv ranks just so I could plant a timebomb in the code ;)

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justinh1:

time to find replacement gear, just incase

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skd5aner:

wine flu has a nicer ring to it

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mchou:

skd5aner: yeah, except you cant blame windoze for this

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skd5aner:

Peter – I think it's discouraged to *not* use a windows manager. I see it come up on the list all the time

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skd5aner:

I've used FVWM2 for like 5 years. But, wondering if I ought to take a look at something else.

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[Peter]:

skd5aner: ok, haven't caused me any trouble

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xand:

I don't use a window manager with mythtv either

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skd5aner:

After I upgraded to latest ubuntu, x.org/gdm/fvwm is acting a little weird

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skd5aner:

Maybe not – just repeating what I've seen on the list :)

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justinh1:

first motherboard with 4x pci slots, only 2 sata ports. ffs

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gbee:

a window manager is required if you insist on using an external video player with mythvideo, or mythgame, but otherwise you might get away without one

[15:32:55]

skd5aner:

do you run one gbee?

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xand:

I use an external video player.... mplayer... it doesn't need one

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gbee:

skd5aner: of course, no good reason not to

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skd5aner:

can I ask which flavor you choose?

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jduggan:

smokey bacon

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

hmm, breakfast at McDs sounds good

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skd5aner:

now I'm hungry :'(

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gbee:

skd5aner: kwin on my dev machine because it doubles as a desktop, whatever mythbuntu uses by default on the production frontend

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jduggan:

McDs never sounds good

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gbee:

it's not really that important, a window manager == a window manager

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mchou:

jduggan: it 's if you havent eaten for 18 hrs straight

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skd5aner:

interesting, so you basically use one of the myth-distros as your primary prod environment?

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mchou:

is*

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justinh1:

ooo 5 pci slots, 6x sata Â£57.50

[15:35:19]

skd5aner:

yea – I agree – fvwm2 has worked fine for me for 5+ years with myth...

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gbee:

skd5aner: aye, no point wasting my time with something custom, I did that for years and grew tired of it

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skd5aner:

just figured to reevalute the options again

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** xand doesn't see the need for a WM... surely it's an added complication **

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mchou:

skd5aner: this a FE only or combo FE/BE?

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skd5aner:

I have a FE/SBE and a seperate MBE

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gbee:

I'd rather spend my time writing new features than continually fixing/tweaking the combination of software etc, I'll leave that to the distro folks

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gbee:

xand: complication how?

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superm1:

gah, this is getting really annoying. i can't seem to get any reliable success with vdpau http://pastebin.com/f4326df36

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xand:

well you're having to decide which to use :p

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skd5aner:

gbee: makes since, but running ubuntu server, and tinkering is my primary exposure to the linux environment, so it gives me a chance to learn

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gbee:

only out of some mis-placed impression that there is something to choose between them (which really isn't the case for a simple use like a dedicated frontend)

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justinh1:

I hate this, having to buy hardware in a rush

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xand:

justinh1: go to pc world!!!!

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jduggan:

lolol

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mchou:

superm1: which capture card are you sing?

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jduggan:

like gbee yesterday ;p

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mchou:

using*

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superm1:

mchou, it's an hdhomerun capturing OTA content

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superm1:

i've got about a 60% success rate with vdpau on it

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justinh1:

xand: I want more than 1 pci slot

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gbee:

PC World is regressing again, for a time they were actually looking better on price and selection, but now it's worse than ever

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** xand hasn't been there in 4 or 5 years **

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mchou:

superm1: ah, too bad

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mchou:

superm1: what processor on the box?

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skd5aner:

in the states – I'm pretty much exclusive newegg.com anymore

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xand:

anymore?

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mchou:

FRYS!

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superm1:

mchou, athlon 64 3500+, nvidia 9500GT graphics

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xand:

oh, american usage

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skd5aner:

there was a frys in the city I used to live in, but I've since moved and they are not within a 1000 miles of me

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mchou:

Frys have 1TB WD Green for $60 right now

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mchou:

skd5aner: Frys has web presence now

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justinh1:

ouch. E5300 CPU, 1GB ram, 8400GT, motherboard.. total comes in at 123.74 quid

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skd5aner:

ah – cool. I'll check it out, before their website was basically just a circular for thier stores

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justinh1:

still, a cheap update. might aswell add a new case too

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superm1:

it sounds very similar to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/399387 but that's nearly a month old

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gbee:

justinh1: that's not much more than I had to pay for PSU + HDD last night, that actually sounds like a good deal in comparison

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justinh1:

and if memtest doesn't find any errors.. erm.. I've got a better desktop machine

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justinh1:

ah that 123.74 was ex vat

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mchou:

memtest is not very good at testing memory

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mchou:

it misses the most obvious test

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mchou:

justinh1: and I'm almost certain your issues are memory related

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justinh1:

yeah there's not much else it could be unless the motherboard is just dying of old age

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justinh1:

haven't looked at it yet

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mchou:

it's a simple fix

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mchou:

no need to buy anything

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justinh1:

could be swollen caps or anything. the box was long overdue its cleaning

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justinh1:

reseat the ram you mean?

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mchou:

even caps are a simple fix

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mchou:

no

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justinh1:

fire away. I'm all for avoiding spending money

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mchou:

you take an eraser to the gold contacts on the RAM DIMM

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mchou:

you have oxidization build up

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justinh1:

heh it's conceivable that the contacts are cruddy after this amount of time

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** gbee blinks **

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justinh1:

still, it's also an excuse to get new hardware, and with the blessing of SWMBO

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justinh1:

plus I can offload the old junk AGP card on ebay etc

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

nobody gonna pay anything for AGP

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justinh1:

would prefer integrated graphics, but try finding that in stock on a model with 5x PCI

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mchou:

justinh1: that's easy to find

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mchou:

Foxconn G31ax-k

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mchou:

$40 in th eUS

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mchou:

the*

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justinh1:

not at any of my local sheds

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mchou:

there's also gigabyte, but they are a bit harder to find

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justinh1:

again not at my local sheds. they're equally rubbish

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justinh1:

at least aria actually tend to have stock they say they've got though

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mchou:

dude man, just take an eraser to your ram

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mchou:

end of drama

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justinh1:

be nice if I had such a thing in the house lol

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benklop:

how does MTD read DVDs? does it use libdvdread?

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gbee:

good question

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rambo3:

thank you

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skd5aner:

in .22, do I need to --enable-libfaad to decode aac or is that option because ffmpeg libraries now can do it?

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skd5aner:

option=optional

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justinh1:

still needs enabling AFAIK

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skd5aner:

k – thx justinh, anyon else confirm?

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rambo3:

I concur.

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skd5aner:

thanks!

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justinh1:

if it's still listed in ./configure --help then I'd say a big yes

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skd5aner:

defaults to No though

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jeffjeffdejeff:

anyone able to help? have set up mythnews and have selected the feeds that i'm interested in, but i don't seem able to view them when i select them. any suggestions?

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skd5aner:

got another q :) – pulseaudio, I know that myth doesn't support it (expect experimentally), but do I need to enable pulseaudio during compiling in order for it to be able to manage pulseaudio?

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skd5aner:

in otherwords, it is disabled by default, if I leave it disabled, will myth be able to work around pulseaudio and disable it?

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skd5aner:

jeff: it might have something to do with your perl dependencies?

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skd5aner:

has mythnews ever worked for you?

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justinh1:

stupid question retail CPUs come with a fan yes?

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skd5aner:

yes

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jeffjeffdejeff:

skd5aner – hmm. sounds beyond me.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

only set it up last night.

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skd5aner:

how are you doing it? Through a myth based distro?

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justinh1:

add a new case too, hdds need more ventilation

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i was expecting a browser to pop up or something. i can see the headlines for all the selections i made

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jeffjeffdejeff:

yeah. mythbuntu 9.04

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justinh1:

got mythbrowser installed?

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gbee:

justinh1: in my experience yes, they come with a stock heatsink/fan (which is usually very decent)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hmmm. not sure i have.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

will check

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skd5aner:

hmmm – it should have everything you need then

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justinh1:

jeffjeffdejeff: you need mythbrowser installed, which needs > qt4.4

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gbee:

at least that's the case for AMD the last couple of times I bought retail vs OEM

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skd5aner:

yes – same with intel

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jeffjeffdejeff:

how do i install mythbrowser?

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justinh1:

it's years since I bought anything new apart from my notebook

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skd5aner:

alright -lunch time, brb

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justinh1:

well, just gonna call this preventative maintainance no matter what. mythtv deserves nicer hardware than a stinky old box

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eFfeM:

hi, i compiled mythtv myself but frontend complains that it is build without disable portaudio, however, I see no configure flag for it, can someone help?

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justinh1:

pulseaudio you mean

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justinh1:

time to go shopping. take a clothes peg for my nose

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eFfeM:

sorry yes, pulseaudio

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eFfeM:

how do i disable

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justinh1:

bugger they shut at 4pm. On a saturday? ffs

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rambo3:

Does anyone know how I can print out a gif so that it keeps its animation ?

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justinh1:

roflmao

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rambo3:

?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

you wanting to make a flickbook or something rambo?

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justinh1:

wha? this motherboard needs the AGP slot to be empty to get at the ram

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jeffjeffdejeff:

that sucks justinh1.

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rambo3:

jeffjeffdejeff, yes. I want the animation to be printed out same as the file. Also is mythchess done ?

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justinh1:

rambo3: mythchess was done after last time you asked for it, but I blocked your IP from downloading it

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rambo3:

You are one of those damn free masons that controll the world and are keeping us people down

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justinh1:

whoah. all the ram contacts are different shades of... yeuch. time to find that eraser

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justinh1:

there may yet be something in this folklore

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dan4dm:

anyone know if mythweather (in svn head) is using mythui?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it is

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dan4dm:

thanks. will have a look, try and learn a bit about pluginmaking from it

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iamlindoro:

Ew, don't do that

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dan4dm:

oh

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iamlindoro:

mythweather is a wreck of a disaster of a travesty of a plugin

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dan4dm:

ha! i know how to pick em!

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dan4dm:

ok, what's the cleanest example to look at pls?

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iamlindoro:

They all have their quirks-- the simplest might be mythmovies, or maybe mythnews

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iamlindoro:

There are others whose mythui implementation might be a bit cleaner, but are more complicated to understand

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: that's hillarious – I've said that a dozen times, but it seems like I could never get a dev to admit it

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iamlindoro:

Your Google Summer of Code dollars at work

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iamlindoro:

Most of us know MythWeather is ripe for a rewrite, but who has the time/interest in rewriting that POS?

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skd5aner:

I would love it to work, but the one that t'd me off the most this summer was mythmovies

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skd5aner:

we showed up the theater, based on the showtime it told us, and it was 4 hours off!

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justinh1:

so that was somehow mythmovies' fault? lol

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iamlindoro:

that has nothing to do w/ mythmovies

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skd5aner:

and of course, we didn't look at the board – we just said "give us the ticket to see blah" and they sold us the next show. We went into the theater, and it was the end of the movie

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iamlindoro:

which just presents you with the times your theatre publicized

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skd5aner:

yea, but when I went to the source, it was correct – myth was not presenting the correct times

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justinh1:

so blame the parser

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iamlindoro:

myth presents whatever it is given

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skd5aner:

I didn't research why/how it happened – just learned my lesson not to trust mythmovies

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iamlindoro:

it does absolutely zero string manipulation on that stuff

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skd5aner:

yea – proabably was the parser, or cached data, or old data, bad data – don't know

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skd5aner:

wrong = wrong either way

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justinh1:

grr why can't these computer sheds list motherboards by criteria other than socket type & cpu make?

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wagnerrp:

jeffjeffdejeff: gigabyte board?

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wagnerrp:

no... not gigabyte, MSI

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wagnerrp:

i had two MSI boards like that

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gbee:

justinh1: I reckon that if I could come up with an intelligent motherboard selection site I'd rake in the cash, just plug in the features/price you want and it would return the boards matching that and optionally just those available at certain stores

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skd5aner:

I think newegg has one, you can look at northbridge/southbridge, etc

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gbee:

taking into account rating and manufacturer quality etc

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justinh1:

yeah the thought's crossed my mind more than once

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justinh1:

for us lot the most vital is no. of PCI slots

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skd5aner:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/PowerSearch.asp . . . p;GASearch=3

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justinh1:

but you can't even narrow criteria down with LAN type, no. of sata ports or other features

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skd5aner:

it has that too

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justinh1:

skd5aner: we ain't got them over here

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skd5aner:

that's fine, but you could use their tool to narrow it down

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justinh1:

and last time I used it nobody in the UK had 2 boards I found

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skd5aner:

then find the mobo you like elsewhere

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skd5aner:

oh – just trying to help :)

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skd5aner:

that link for was AMD, you have to have a seperate link for intel

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skd5aner:

intel link, if you care – http://www.newegg.com/Product/PowerSearch.asp . . . p;GASearch=3

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justinh1:

still nice though

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skd5aner:

tons of search criteria

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wagnerrp:

wow, an i5 with 4 PCI slots

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AndyCap:

heh, a serverboard or?

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wagnerrp:

and a G35 with 5

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wagnerrp:

although that one IS supermicro

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so?

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wagnerrp:

well its a specialty board

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justinh1:

nobody in the UK seems to have a gigabyte GA-P55-UD3L or foxconn G31AX-K

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wagnerrp:

not a mainline consumer board

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wagnerrp:

MBD-C2SBC-Q-O

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: yes, but I've been mostly happy with the supermicro stuff I've tried.

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AndyCap:

another example in a foreign language. :) http://prisguide.hardware.no/cat.php?cat_id=1 . . . ng=min_price

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: ive got nothing against supermicro, i just dont see the point in buying consumer hardware from them

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justinh1:

whoah scan have a search by expansion slot #

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wagnerrp:

we have a couple i7 (not xeon) desktops and 2Us that we got from them

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wagnerrp:

and i just dont understand the purpose

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wagnerrp:

we bought six single processor 2U i7s a while back

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wagnerrp:

when for less price, we could have gotten one of their 4x2x4 superservers, and had more compute power in a single 2U box

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hehe. assuming you want all the computing power in one box as opposed to reselling computing power to hosting customers or something in units of one box

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wagnerrp:

i dont know... they just seem to half-ass things

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: its a university cluster, we have no customers

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so fire the dolt who purchased the wrong box. :)

[16:54:16]

wagnerrp:

well hes the prof in charge

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AndyCap:

"What plan, I'm set for life"

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dude1:

gettin an error trying to export video to dvd... Error: Didn't find any video elements in stream info file. (/tmp/mytharchive/work/12/streaminfo.xml

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** wagnerrp just wanted to be able to pick up 32 cores, 96GB. and 18TB in one tiny little box **

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gbee:

wagnerrp: ahh, you need time travel

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wagnerrp:

gbee: no, complaining that we should have gotten one of these... http://supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6026/SYS-6026TT-TF.cfm

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wagnerrp:

instead of a bunch of these... http://supermicro.com/products/system/2U/5026/SYS-5026T-T.cfm

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dude1:

so any ideas on that error

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wagnerrp:

never used mytharchive

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android6011:

what will a dvb-c be able to tune? encrypted digital cable i pay for? or no

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wagnerrp:

if you have a CAM, yes

[17:17:13]

android6011:

a CAM?

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wagnerrp:

conditional access module

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android6011:

I take it thats the expensive part?

[17:17:34]

wagnerrp:

its a card that you slot into a DVB-C tuner with CAM support

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iamlindoro:

As it seems like you are in North America, "nothign at all"

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android6011:

ok

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iamlindoro:

North America doesn't use DVB-C

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android6011:

oh ok

[17:18:17]

wagnerrp:

we use QAM

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android6011:

I wasn't sure. I came across http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=5353041 and it looks interesting

[17:18:28]

wagnerrp:

and while there are cablecards, and cablecard-supporting tuners

[17:18:36]

wagnerrp:

none of them support linux

[17:18:57]

wagnerrp:

(assuming you dont consider tivo, linux)

[17:19:25]

wagnerrp:

how about no open-source program will ever get access to them

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AndyCap:

CAM's will probably be a thing of the past soon too if everyone rolls out CI+

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android6011:

I take it tivo is just closed source which is why you cant just copy its functionality

[17:20:17]

wagnerrp:

correct

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I'm wondering if it's because when I type qmake mythplugins.pro, that it defaults to qt3

[17:20:44]

wagnerrp:

use of a cablecard stipulates that you maintain controlled access to the content all the way through to the screen

[17:20:55]

AndyCap:

skd5aner: do you have a qmake-qt4 perhaps?

[17:20:57]

skd5aner:

If I use qmake-qt4, lets see if that makes a differents

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skd5aner:

difference

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gbee:

you shouldn't be using qmake directly?

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gbee:

stop typing qmake

[17:21:48]

** gbee sighs **

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skd5aner:

gbee – per the documentation, it always said to do configure, qmake, then make – has that changed?

[17:21:57]

skd5aner:

it was in the documenetation for YEARS

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gbee:

./configure; make; make install

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wagnerrp:

the docs are probably outdated now

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gbee:

hasn't been true for yeahs

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skd5aner:

ok – happy to change, just saying – I was folloowing the docs

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gbee:

years

[17:22:18]

wagnerrp:

theres a lot outdated in the wiki

[17:22:29]

wagnerrp:

much more so now with 0.22

[17:24:13]

skd5aner:

I will not do qmake anymore, one less step for me – i just checked the docs on mythtv.org and looks like it no longer indicates to use qmake, so just an old habit from the old ways :)

[17:24:37]

skd5aner:

thanks for the clarification

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive EVER used qmake in reference to mythtv

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skd5aner:

btw – what does qmake do?

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wagnerrp:

its always been the standard ./configure; make

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wagnerrp:

its a prep function

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wagnerrp:

puts files in place for compiling

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gbee:

generates the makefiles

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gbee:

but configure runs it automatically with the correct path/arguments, I can't say I remember ever needing to run it

[17:29:20]

skd5aner:

k – had some fun in the wayback machine. learned this habit back in 2004, probably have done it ever since: http://web.archive.org/web/20040804191027/myt . . . HOWTO-5.html

[17:29:48]

skd5aner:

Now I know better – apprecaite the correction. Let me clean it up, and run it without qmake and see if that helps

[17:30:17]

brad2:

good to know, i've been using qmake too :)

[17:30:41]

AndyCap:

http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1575 Heh, he mentioned mythtv even though vdpau isn't released.

[17:31:27]

skd5aner:

vdpau is released? or do you mean an official release of myth which supports it (not trunk/rc)?

[17:31:57]

AndyCap:

skd5aner: the latter

[17:32:12]

gbee:

love this new PSU, it's stone cold to the touch and the fan is barely running, makes a huge change from the old one

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dustybin:

gbee: what model?

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gbee:

no idea, box is in the bin and you can't see the label once it's in the case

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jduggan:

lol

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gbee:

Antec 450W is about all I can say

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dustybin:

aye ok

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gbee:

the only Antec 450W that Ebuyer offer if you want to look it up

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dan4dm:

anyone here works on mythmusic? I see the "relative_volume" column in music_songs db tbl; it doesn't seem to be used yet?

[17:35:32]

gbee:

it's not, it was put there in ancipation of a feature that was never written

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Dagmar:

The point being?

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dan4dm:

I'm poking around thinking about how to add ReplayGain features. May try to implement it.

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skd5aner:

k – that fixed it, easiest compilation fix ever

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dustybin:

http://www.osnews.com/story/22415/Review_Hack . . . Link_DNS-323

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skd5aner:

ok – just got my .22 frontend running for the first time :)

[17:48:20]

skd5aner:

using terra – going into watch recordings menu, and it's completely empty

[17:48:44]

tmkt:

first time..

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skd5aner:

yes

[17:48:58]

tmkt:

did you have stuff in recordings before?

[17:49:11]

tmkt:

did you backup/restore your db?

[17:49:30]

skd5aner:

yes and yes

[17:49:42]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: what about it?

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dustybin:

i thought that might be good for video storage, etc

[17:50:04]

skd5aner:

if I go into the menu and filter, it shows that I have 341 recordings

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wagnerrp:

as good as any other NAS box with no room for local cache

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wagnerrp:

with 64MB ram, youre not going to be running the backend on there even if you didnt mind running the scheduler on a 500MHz ARM

[17:51:25]

dustybin:

i would use it purely for storage, nothing else

[17:51:37]

wagnerrp:

and it only supports 0 and 1

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dustybin:

yep

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: you store anything else than 0 and 1? :P

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wagnerrp:

so if youre only using it as a NAS, who cares if its hackable and runs linux?

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wagnerrp:

!trout AndyCap RAID

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** MythLogBot slaps AndyCap with a RAID trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

[17:52:16]

wagnerrp:

:P

[17:53:20]

wagnerrp:

at $120, you may as well just grab an Atom 330 and a cheap case

[17:53:28]

wagnerrp:

it will go much further for the price

[17:54:34]

eFfeM:

hi, anyone an idea how to build mythplugins without QtOpenGL ? if I run configure wth --disable-opengl I still get Makefile's that wants to link with -lQtOpenGL

[17:54:56]

skd5aner:

Hmmm, I'm not able to get anything to show up in my watched recoridngs list in .22-fixes

[17:55:08]

wagnerrp:

seems supermicro even has an atom board with two pcie and one pci slot

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dustybin:

nice

[17:55:22]

skd5aner:

I get a "sorted list is empty" in the console

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wagnerrp:

along with dual gigabit and four sata

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AndyCap:

heh, there's a nas box

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AndyCap:

as long as the atom doesn't have to do any real work

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wagnerrp:

i imagine the a DC atom has plenty of power for RAID5

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wagnerrp:

although PCIe x8 gets you a very nice hardware card

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ourtv:

i have a LOT, hundreds, of shows which are empty. how do i delete them all at once?

[17:58:13]

wagnerrp:

just seems wrong pairing a $600+ card with a $150 atom and motherboard

[17:58:50]

wagnerrp:

then again, i did that with a $80 board and a $60 ath64

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wagnerrp:

ourtv: look in contrib, theres a perl script in there to clean up orphaned files and database entries

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skd5aner:

hmmm – I think my problem has to do with this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mpty;#366940

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the only way you would get such a mismatch is if you completely hosed up your compile

[18:02:55]

wagnerrp:

you are running applications on two different sides of a protocol bump

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wagnerrp:

and somehow managed to screw it up such that it allowed such operation

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, where is contrib?

[18:04:06]

wagnerrp:

so wipe up your source tree (distclean), remove your existing install for good measure, and recompile everything

[18:04:18]

wagnerrp:

in the event youre using some 3rd party frontend, dont

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ourtv:

oic

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wagnerrp:

ourtv: contrib, its a folder that comes in the source

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wagnerrp:

if youre distro doesnt keep it in a useful place, youre going to have to dig into subversion to find it

[18:05:25]

ourtv:

wagnerrp, got it. thanks

[18:07:10]

skd5aner:

wegnerrp: I don't believe I've ever done that to be truthful, although I could see how that would cause the problem, I've never used mismatched protocal version or any 3rd party frontend

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skd5aner:

and I don't tinker either

[18:08:06]

skd5aner:

also – I just compiled the backend and frontend. I find it odd that 2 other people saw the same thing though (and one was a primary developer)

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Dagmar:

Look at the code and then tell us why it would ever complain about that unless there are two different versions running.

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skd5aner:

hey – I'm not saying it wouldn't – just telling you what while those might trigger it, I didn't do that

[18:21:49]

skd5aner:

I have 1 row in my recorded table, where bookmark = 127. Not sure why/how it got set to that – going to set it to 1 and see if that resolves it per that email thread

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skd5aner:

that fixed it

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: either your backend is sending the wrong number of fields, or the frontend is expecting the wrong number of fields

[18:28:43]

wagnerrp:

thats a static set in the code

[18:29:10]

wagnerrp:

the only way it would be off is either youre dropping data (not likely because its TCP)

[18:29:15]

wagnerrp:

or somehow you compiled it wrong

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wagnerrp:

either that, or theres a serious issue in your backend causing the connection thread to terminate

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp – the row in question is a recording from like 2005

[18:30:42]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

it will always send the same number of fields

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skd5aner:

understood, but it could have been a "127" for some reason for 4 years, but the impact wasn't seen until .22. How it got set to a 127, no idea

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skd5aner:

but back in 2005, I was probably running what .16, .17?

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter, bookmark is not transmitted in the programinfo structure

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skd5aner:

every other row (341 of them) shows either a 0 or 1 in the box

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: then why is it that the only thing I changed was that and it worked instaneously

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skd5aner:

are you running .22? if so, I bet you can replicate this

[18:33:51]

msaul_:

Hi. I installed 9.10 mythbuntu and was able to install and setup. But when logging out or rebooting system is hanging when starting NTP. Any suggestions?

[18:33:56]

skd5aner:

go into the recorded table, pick a recording you don't particular care about (or record a test one and use that)

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skd5aner:

then go in and manually change the bookmark field to 127

[18:34:37]

skd5aner:

then, go into your watched recording list and see if it'll populate

[18:34:52]

skd5aner:

I'm running .22-fixes from this morning

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Elwell_:

Hey folks, I'm about to purchase one of the new mac minis (4G, 2.53GHz, 320G disk) – Must work as a frontend, but is it also possible to use the same box with a USB dVB-T stick in as a combined backend/frontend?

[18:36:12]

Dagmar:

Probably not

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Plugh:

I have a PVR-150 and have been using MythTV last compiled from source as of 2008-03–12 (DB version 1214) under Fedora 8. All was fine with MythTV. I've just changed distro to Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic). I got the latest source, rebuilt MythTV, installed it, and updated to latest DB (1244). I like the changes in the UI but I can't get sound from MythTV anymore. No sound for live TV or previously recorded programs.

[18:36:27]

skd5aner:

Elwell: don't know, maybe but a network based tuner would probably work better

[18:36:35]

Dagmar:

Plugh: So fix sound on the system

[18:36:43]

Plugh:

Is this a problem with the latest version of MythTV or is it another example of problems caused by the use of pulse audio.

[18:36:57]

Plugh:

Dagmar, Sound works fine on my machine. Just not with MythTV

[18:36:59]

Dagmar:

Could be, although Pulse gets shut down by Myth

[18:37:45]

Elwell_:

skd5aner: trouble is right now my only possible machine to use as a backend is a low power via-eden mobo

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dan4dm:

so what does myth use for sound?

[18:37:50]

wagnerrp:

works fine for me

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Dagmar:

Plugh: I suggest you consult the documentation to make sure you told it the right sound output device and mixer

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you referring to me?

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wagnerrp:

(0.22-rc1)

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wagnerrp:

yes

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skd5aner:

hmmm

[18:38:18]

Elwell_:

(originally purchased as a frontend, but issues with the openchrome driver)

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skd5aner:

very odd then, can you try one other thing?

[18:38:45]

skd5aner:

change whatever the first row is in that table

[18:38:53]

skd5aner:

that's where mine was "127"

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I appreciate your help in trying to replicate this (or not replicate it, either way))

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dan4dm:

myth uses gstreamer? portaudio? for sound?

[18:39:39]

wagnerrp:

works fine

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skd5aner:

what theme?

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skd5aner:

I tried graphite and terra

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wagnerrp:

none, directly hitting the socket

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skd5aner:

tell ya what, let me change it BACK to 127 and see if it breaks again. I'm in the middle of recompiling, so just a min

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Dagmar:

dansushi: It uses ALSA

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Dagmar:

dam4dm: You might want to read some documentation

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wagnerrp:

ill fire up a frontend and see what happens

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skd5aner:

well... can you try it via mythfrontend --

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skd5aner:

watch recordings menu?

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wagnerrp:

well ill be damned...

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wagnerrp:

so the error is wrong

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp – I'm guessing you replicated it?

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wagnerrp:

its not what its pulling across the socket (like what the error would suggest)

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wagnerrp:

its somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

the problem is on some db call the frontend is doing

[18:41:56]

wagnerrp:

has to be

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skd5aner:

yea – I imagine so

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beavis:

hi how can I change the mythmovies settings in 0.22?

[18:43:06]

skd5aner:

I'm going to submit a bug report in a little bit – the real problem lies in how did that get populated with a "127" in the first place though

[18:43:13]

wagnerrp:

hold on a bit

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skd5aner:

np

[18:43:30]

wagnerrp:

im guessing its because the database specifies a tinyint(1)

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beavis:

I've set the path to the grabber incorrectly and now there's no place to correct it

[18:43:37]

wagnerrp:

which means 0–9

[18:43:56]

skd5aner:

yea, has that part of the schema changed in the a while?

[18:43:58]

wagnerrp:

even though that is stored as a signed byte, and can handle -127–127

[18:44:09]

skd5aner:

ah

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, i can log in to mysql and see that mythconverg is up. but when i run ./myth.find_orphans.pl --user=mythtv --pass=absouhga it doesn't let me connect.

[18:44:21]

wagnerrp:

so if the frontend gets anything 2 digits, it breaks

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wagnerrp:

ourtv: because its looking for a ~/.mythtv/config.xml (or maybe the older ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt)

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wagnerrp:

run it as the same user that typically runs mythtv

[18:45:11]

wagnerrp:

or copy that file from said user's directory into yours

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, did that first

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skd5aner:

great – now I have no audio :(

[18:47:11]

wagnerrp:

ourtv: are you running from a computer that has not been granted access to the database?

[18:47:25]

wagnerrp:

or is your database not set up for network access?

[18:48:03]

ourtv:

there's just one computer.

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: looks to be 3 digits breaks it

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ourtv:

there's net work access as far as i can tell.

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter if its all local

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, the config files have the correct user and password. how to i check that it's got network access. i assume you mean something other than the fact i'm using it for irc.

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter if youre using the local socket

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wagnerrp:

only if youre trying to connect to a remote host

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, ok. i'm not

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wagnerrp:

some distros set up sql to only listen on the local file socket and localhost

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, where is that setting?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the distro, but it doesnt matter if youre local

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ourtv:

it matters if i'm trying to connect to a remote host?

[18:57:25]

wagnerrp:

you have no specified on the line, and you are not in the myth/mysql config file either

[18:57:50]

wagnerrp:

if you were in the latter, it wouldnt matter anyway because myth could connect, meaning it was supported

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justinh:

going to scan tomorrow to pick up my new hardware :)

[18:59:40]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the only place i see that being checked is libs/libmyth/programinfo.cpp in ProgramInfo::getProgramFlags

[18:59:50]

wagnerrp:

but in that case, its just checking to see if the value is 1

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dustybin:

justinh: i found a LUG radio recording with you discussing mythtv from ages back

[19:00:01]

wagnerrp:

anything other than 1 should just result in false

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wagnerrp:

i see no reason why it would not be happy with a 3-digit value

[19:01:20]

justinh:

dustybin: THAT interview. It was videoed too. And it never happened

[19:01:56]

dustybin:

LUG radio is excellent, shame it doesnt exist anymore

[19:01:58]

wagnerrp:

never happened? as in someone pretending to be you?

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justinh:

dustybin: you never went to LRL. bunch of frickin sycophantic fanboys with BO

[19:02:27]

dustybin:

oh dear heh

[19:02:28]

Cyber-Dogg:

howdy

[19:02:42]

Cyber-Dogg:

anyone have iphone transcoding working?

[19:02:42]

justinh:

wagnerrp: no Ive tried to cast it from my memory

[19:03:18]

** dustybin stops himself from pasting the link **

[19:03:33]

justinh:

wagnerrp: basically a few weeks before the 'show' Jono Bacon posted a 'usability study' of mythtv to the ML & got a proper bollocking

[19:03:42]

justinh:

wagnerrp: I ended up getting the blunt end of it

[19:03:49]

justinh:

dustybin: post the link

[19:03:53]

Cyber-Dogg:

just curious to know if you have to have the the transcodes run as jobs and wait for them to complete before you can use it, of if it can be done like the mythweb flash stuff, where it's triggered from the page

[19:03:56]

dustybin:

http://lugradio.atchoo.org/season3/ep24/lugra . . . 706-high.mp3

[19:04:08]

justinh:

no, get the video then you see my ugly mug

[19:04:21]

dustybin:

Jono Bacon says 'the mythtv community are known to be a bunch of b*****s'

[19:04:25]

dustybin:

LOL

[19:04:37]

dustybin:

ok

[19:04:45]

justinh:

he said *developers* actually

[19:04:48]

wagnerrp:

he explain why?

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skd5aner:

you know what i can't stand – audio issues within myth – they're the worst

[19:04:49]

justinh:

I was there

[19:05:17]

skd5aner:

I upgrade to .22, audio works fine first time around – now, no audio – wtf?

[19:05:27]

justinh:

wagnerrp: because he criticised mythtv – to be fair some was justified but other parts weren't & he got properly pounced on

[19:05:59]

justinh:

and cos it all took place on the 'dev' list guess what.. all the developers are bastards

[19:07:03]

wagnerrp:

seems theres no error printing in the programinfo code, its just expected to work

[19:07:11]

cesman:

Cyber-Dogg: if you are transcoding, yes you have to wait for the transcoding to be done

[19:07:17]

wagnerrp:

so '-v all' is pretty worless

[19:07:56]

justinh:

anyway to save you listening to the thing, I got him back & said "well, users who ask smart questions" then he cut my mic off

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cesman:

Cyber-Dogg: depending on the solution you choose, you can subscribe via rss or use a web interface to playback the transcoded shows

[19:08:17]

cesman:

Cyber-Dogg: depending on your distro, it may work OTB

[19:08:21]

dustybin:

i cannot find the video anywhere

[19:08:41]

cesman:

Cyber-Dogg: for how-tos, check the wiki

[19:08:57]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: anyway, go ahead and submit a ticket if you wish

[19:09:06]

wagnerrp:

but i have expect it to get closed due to 'broken database'

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if at some point, the schems changed from a unsigned tinyint to a tinyint

[19:09:40]

skd5aner:

damn alsamixer

[19:09:43]

wagnerrp:

and was not properly converted

[19:09:56]

wagnerrp:

meaning a 0 turned into a 127

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I will in a few, if you don't mind I'd like to reference the fact that you were able to replicate it

[19:10:38]

justinh:

dustybin: http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/59

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Cyber-Dogg:

how about flvtool2?

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, that length mismatch indicates a problem with the backend socket communication

[19:11:13]

wagnerrp:

incorrect number of fields

[19:11:17]

wagnerrp:

but thats not a problem at all

[19:11:38]

wagnerrp:

its something to do with processing of an sql query somewhere in the frontend

[19:11:44]

wagnerrp:

possibly in that function i pointed to

[19:11:55]

Cyber-Dogg:

doesn't the mythweb flash player transcoder?

[19:11:58]

skd5aner:

got it – thanks again

[19:12:00]

Cyber-Dogg:

because that doesn't have to wait (or at least it doesn't seem like it does)

[19:12:29]

wagnerrp:

Cyber-Dogg: yes, the file gets pumped through ffmpeg, and straight out the http socket on-the-fly

[19:12:52]

wagnerrp:

which also means there is no seeking around beyond what you have already transcoded and transferred

[19:13:31]

skd5aner:

w00t! I now have a working .22 now! :-D

[19:13:34]

Cyber-Dogg:

can that on-the-fly be done with the iphone trancoder?

[19:13:47]

Cyber-Dogg:

I don't care about seeking really (at this point)

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Cyber-Dogg:

plus, I'd like to be able to stream live tv too

[19:14:55]

Cyber-Dogg:

can't seek ahead of that :-)

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justinh:

sigh

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skd5aner:

Now I finally get to unwrap my 2 HD-PVRs :)

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justinh:

wonder if I could get away wth just slipping the current BE HDD into the new box when I've built it, or do a proper fresh install

[19:18:33]

skd5aner:

new mobo?

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skd5aner:

I would not recommend it, but you could probably get away with it with some work

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justinh:

yeah I know it should in theory just work but in light of the current system being as unstable as a load of bollocks..

[19:19:36]

justinh:

nah, new install I think

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dan4dm:

Hmmm – just noticed that mythtv seems to reset the main alsamixer playback level whenever we start a new video – any way to stop it? (0.21)

[19:23:30]

justinh:

dare I dip my toe in the 0.22RC waters.. hmmm

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justinh:

dan4dm: stop it using the mixer altogether?

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dan4dm:

justinh: i just want the master playback level, which i set from alsamixer, not to get reset. not sure if that means a "yes" or "no" to yr question

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sphery:

wagnerrp / skd5aner : in DB schema update 1129 (1128–1129), custlist and recorded were changed to TINYINT(1). If yours isn't TINYINT, you were probably running mysqld in strict mode, so it failed (but that should have stopped upgrade). However, since you have a value of 127 (max for TINYINT), I'm assuming it worked.

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pak0:

hi all people

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pak0:

good afternoon

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sphery:

And, if it worked, I don't see how value is relevant (as it's used as a boolean)

[19:25:45]

pak0:

i have a little lost of signal when i wacht tv on mythtv, and my cable its ok

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justinh:

dan4dm: I just stop mythfrontend using the mixer altogether

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dan4dm:

there's a setting?

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justinh:

yup

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skd5aner:

sphery: change any recording's bookmark to 127...

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I'll test it later (probably won't get a chance to until tomorrow or next week)

[19:26:38]

skd5aner:

then go in and try and load the watch recordings screen in .22, nothing will load

[19:26:40]

gbee:

sphery: does programinfo::tostringlist/fromstringlist treat bools differently to ints, i.e. is it a field width issue with the protocol?

[19:26:58]

sphery:

gbee: good question

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skd5aner:

NP – I'm going to go ahead and submit a bug report fo you guys to work on

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justinh:

never know, the current backend might play ball & behave itself since I fiddled with the stick of ram

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dan4dm:

i see the "master mixer volume" setting, and various others ("mixer device: default", "mixer controls: pcm").

[19:30:40]

dan4dm:

turn off "use internal volume controls"?

[19:31:32]

sphery:

gbee: ProgramInfo::ToStringList() doesn't include cutlist or bookmark (since breaking out recordinginfo). I'm booting my dev box to look at how it's being passed, now.

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dan4dm:

oh shame. turn off "use internal volume controls" works in that the mixer isn't used, but it deactivates the volume control entirely

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dan4dm:

(which is logical; just that it doesn't solve my issue)

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sphery:

gbee: looks good to me: flags |= (query.value(11).toInt() == 1) ? FL_CUTLIST : 0; and flags |= (query.value(14).toInt() == 1) ? FL_BOOKMARK : 0;

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sphery:

I towuld just mean that if it's 127, it falsely appears as no cutlist/bookmark

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skd5aner:

sphery, wagnerrp, gbee: I've submitted ticket #7467

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sphery:

skd5aner: thanks... I'll look into it in a couple of days

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gunni:

Hi, everytime i start mythfrontend it says it wants to update the database scheme from 1025 to 1028. Mythfrontend.log only says "2009-10–31 11:21:11.605 Couldn't upgrade video database schema, exiting.

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gunni:

". Any idea?

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mindoms:

hi.is it possible to adjust the brightness in the internal player? using .22

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justinh:

well it was in 0.21

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skd5aner:

sphery: No worries, I'm working with the manual workaround of changing the value manually.

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skd5aner:

I'm just worried that if other have this value in their bookmark column, and it doesn't exhibit the behavior in .21, then you could possibly have a lot (?) of people who have problems upgrading to .22

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sphery:

on the bright side, I can reproduce it

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skd5aner:

gotta love that :)

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sphery:

makes it easier to debug

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sphery:

in theory, I should be able to "fix" it without changing the values in the DB

[19:54:36]

wagnerrp:

well that was fun

[19:54:50]

wagnerrp:

lawn mower broke a wheel, so i had to rake by hand

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wagnerrp:

and it had to happen RIGHT NOW, lest the trick-or-treat'ers see our leafy front yard

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justinh:

oooo nooooo

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sphery:

I thought leaves were on trees... We never have leaves in our yard around here.

[19:55:39]

justinh:

gawd help you if anybody was to see a stray leaf!

[19:56:04]

mindoms:

justinh: you mean: TV Playback TOGGLEPICCONTROLS Playback picture adjustments

[19:56:11]

mindoms:

only gives ma a volume bar

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justinh:

mindoms: so you've not enabled them you numpty :)

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sphery:

mindoms: that means that your video card doesn't support Xv picture controls

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justinh:

'enable picture controls'

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sphery:

or you didn't enable them :)

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iamlindoro:

YACRS

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iamlindoro:

Yet Another Completely Retarded Setting

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iamlindoro:

if it doesn't work, you don't get them... so Why TF isn't it jsut enabled?

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mindoms:

okay, i810 onboard using the intel driver... thanks, ill lookinto that

[19:57:48]

justinh:

iamlindoro: MOARSETTINZ!

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sphery:

skd5aner: probably is related--you just must have upgraded before the fix went in

[20:00:18]

jams:

that was the case when it was first introduced, but it didnt' work for all machines so it was made a config option

[20:01:12]

jams:

it's not YACRS, it's an option thas was needed.

[20:01:16]

iamlindoro:

jams, It still doesn't work for all machines-- but that's no reason it shouldn't just not work when not available

[20:01:47]

justinh:

maybe it makes ATI based machines burst into flames

[20:02:03]

justinh:

in which case, make it default to enabled :D

[20:03:00]

jams:

guess it was easier to make it an option and let the end user decide if it works for them.

[20:03:23]

sphery:

I heard that on further testing, it was found that Graphite--not Xv picture controls--makes ATI-based machines burst into flames.

[20:03:27]

iamlindoro:

the logic of that escapes me

[20:04:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I definitely agree that you should ask danielk if it can be removed. I think the need for it is OBE.

[20:04:10]

justinh:

iamlindoro: like calling 'video sources' so? l-)

[20:04:15]

sphery:

i.e. he's significantly improved the autodetection stuff

[20:04:24]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you sprinkle some graphite on any video card, its very likely to catch fire

[20:04:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

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** sphery (and BJM) seem to be the only ones who think Video Sources /is/ the right name **

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: hi again! Just wanted to let you know I'm using .22 for the first time, love graphite – have a very small suggestion

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sphery:

Linup is /not/

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sphery:

(nor is Lineup :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, that means you should closely examine your beliefs, given your only person agreeing ;)

[20:05:16]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, no thanks :)

[20:05:21]

sphery:

"Channel Groups" would be OK, but that's used by "Channel Groups" (the favorite channel lists)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: the preview image in the appearance menue for graphite doesn't do your theme justice and makes it really hard to see what the theme looks like

[20:05:29]

justinh:

don't forget the armchair devs

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sphery:

iamlindoro: this is not the first case where I'm right and the whole rest of the world is wrong...

[20:05:46]

sphery:

it happens /quite/ often, as a matter of fact.

[20:05:52]

jams:

haha

[20:05:56]

jams:

nice sphery

[20:06:25]

justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah we need a fullscreen preview button man. get to it

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** iamlindoro yawns **

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skd5aner:

haha – yea, like I said – not really even a suggestion to change the theme, just the preview image, but I know you aren't huge on themeing feedback

[20:09:32]

justinh:

the preview image size is about as big as you could get away with right now

[20:09:49]

skd5aner:

nah – not the size justinh – just the particular screenshot used

[20:09:52]

justinh:

it's more for use as a guide

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skd5aner:

it must be of mythgaller or something, as it's hard to decipher what graphite will look like at all from the preview image that is used

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justinh:

it's tiny – all it could ever give is an impression

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justinh:

if you don't have the same images it'll be totally different :P

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skd5aner:

I think the previews of all the themes are of the main menu besides "graphite"

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justinh:

send a patch :)

[20:11:50]

justinh:

how hard is it to make a screenshot?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: the problem is that with the new UI, no single image can describe the theme

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skd5aner:

justinh: I just might

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justinh:

jees half the preview images in my themes have been either wrong or totally wrong

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skd5aner:

hold up guys, I get it trust me... you aren't hearing what I'm saying, but that's ok...

[20:12:51]

skd5aner:

it's no big deal either way

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dustybin:

justinh: how the hell did you do that in front of all those people

[20:13:24]

justinh:

dustybin: there was no turning back once I agreed to it :P

[20:13:30]

dustybin:

jeeze

[20:13:38]

justinh:

I figured how hard could it be.. wow

[20:14:17]

dustybin:

that room looks hot

[20:14:35]

justinh:

dustybin: remember I was a club & bar DJ for years so hardly unaccustomed to public speaking

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dustybin:

ok

[20:14:50]

justinh:

see the hour of power video for me demoing mythtv too

[20:15:09]

dustybin:

i thought LUGs were much smaller scale, there are a lot of people there

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justinh:

there was a better one the next year though, but I cringed too much to be able to watch myself again

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skd5aner:

.22 comes with an integrated screenshot capability correct? how do you use it?

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jpabq:

justinh, I would appreciate it if you had time to play with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7461 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7462 . With your knowledge of crafting themes, you may find problems that I missed. Are you crafting any MythUI themes?

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sphery:

skd5aner: map a key to the jumppoint called ScreenShot

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skd5aner:

ty

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skd5aner:

and of course, they would be saved to...

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sphery:

skd5aner: /tmp

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sphery:

skd5aner: I think it says where in the log

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skd5aner:

yup – that was it, thanks again

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mindoms:

mindoms

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, At least you made a suggestion after I stopped caring about Graphite-- first person to suggest anything about Arclight gets stabbed in the nuts

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iamlindoro:

:)

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** dustybin looks forward to bastardizing Arclight **

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wagnerrp:

needs a better font

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** wagnerrp hides in the corner **

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justinh1:

jpabq not even gonna look. sorry

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justinh1:

oh go on then

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k-man_:

im trying to set a up .21fixes frontend on my mac to connect to my linux myth backend, but for some reason it fails to find the upnpserver -where do i set the ip of the server manualy?

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justinh1:

jpabq ahh *those* – I don't have a good dev box at the mo

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you looked

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jpabq:

justinh1:

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jpabq:

justinh1: okay.

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justinh1:

figured it might not be about actual themes as such – forgot he managed to pull off the dynamic sizing stuff

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wagnerrp:

k-man_: if it fails to find the upnp server, it will pop up asking for manual entry of the database information

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wagnerrp:

at no point do you ever define a backend to connect to

[20:38:47]

wagnerrp:

presumably this is a 0.21-fixes backend as well?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea – I happened to lurk through the arclight/font thread, that's why I'm very hesitant to say anything at all :-/

[20:40:56]

k-man_:

wagnerrp: yeah, it is, i defined the backend db server manually, as you say, but it still fails to find the backend and the logs say its trying to connect to 127.0.0.1

[20:41:08]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, Everyone's got an opinions-- usually bad :)

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wagnerrp:

k-man_: well then you need to fix that, set your backend to use a network accessible IP and restart it

[20:41:35]

wagnerrp:

first page of first item in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, That said, the preview thing isn't a big deal-- if I was worried anyone actually looked at them, I might think more about it

[20:41:56]

skd5aner:

I can't code – if I could, I'd be right up there with you submitting patches, best I can do is provide feedback for now I'm afraid

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k-man_:

wagnerrp: ah, ok, thanks

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justinh1:

jpabq my backend is in tatters, my laptop no longer boots into ubuntu & I've no time to see to both this weekend

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: that said, I might submit a patch for a new preview – you can close if you do not like, but it'll give me a sense of a trivial contribution ;)

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jpabq:

justinh1:

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, Please don't, I don't intend to change it

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jpabq:

justinh1: hey, I understand! np

[20:43:32]

justinh1:

jpabq I see your point though, somebody needs to be playing with it & putting it through its paces

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iamlindoro:

harumph

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iamlindoro:

someone *is*

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iamlindoro:

Someone has a fair amount of theme built around it

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skd5aner:

um – ok

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jpabq:

justinh1: iamlindoro has played, but just for his own context. I don't think he has specifically set out to break it ;-)

[20:45:08]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, Don't be offended, I can just tell you now I'm not going to be changing it, so would rather save you the effort

[20:45:25]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, It might be different if I felt it was a weakness-- I don't.

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: justinh1 I was just hoping for someone else to try it, because every takes a different approach.

[20:45:44]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, Was only teasing ;)

[20:45:58]

justinh1:

I'm so out of touch with theming now I dunno if I even have anything to offer

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skd5aner:

understood – I was looking at it from a consistency standpoint (all other previews are of the main menu – making it easier to compare) and also the screenshot uses the video library which from 10' away on a 50" TV is extremely hard to make out at that thumbnail size

[20:47:17]

justinh1:

well duh

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skd5aner:

it's your baby though :)

[20:47:45]

justinh1:

so many themes looked very much alike in the past, it was hard to tell some of them apart in the preview

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, paradigms need breaking

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iamlindoro:

especially as regards themes

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skd5aner:

np – apprecaite you hearing me out if nothing else

[20:48:27]

skd5aner:

at least seeing where I was coming from

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

You could write your own theme if you have any interest :)

[20:48:55]

iamlindoro:

we've got docs and everything now

[20:49:02]

iamlindoro:

and more themers are very welcome

[20:49:10]

skd5aner:

I definitely do – onlything stoping me is time and learning curve

[20:49:26]

iamlindoro:

The learning curve isn't *that* bad, and you can do it a little at a time

[20:49:36]

iamlindoro:

ask mag0o, he's new to it too but off to a great start

[20:49:40]

skd5aner:

I was the one who requested that gossamer-threads archive the then newly created theme list :)

[20:50:23]

iamlindoro:

thanks for that

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skd5aner:

anyway – back to getting my environment up and running, appreciate the help

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justinh1:

just you dare do anything like leafers-wide & you'll die in a fire

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iamlindoro:

Hell, I'll take a leafers wide over nothing at all

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iamlindoro:

gotta get the # of themers to a critical mass

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justinh1:

like winamp skins? bleugh

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iamlindoro:

And that means we'll have some whose work is atrocious too, but they can still answer questions :)

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Nickni_Name:

hello, can someone help me i cant activated tvout. when i use atitvout the tv make some "blinks" and its activaeted but nothing i see

[20:55:26]

Nickni_Name:

whats the problem?

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Dagmar:

Did you Google it yet??

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iamlindoro:

Nickni_Name, It's likely your distro's channel would be a better place to check

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wagnerrp:

Nickni_Name: nvidia video card?

[20:56:25]

Nickni_Name:

ati...

[20:56:29]

Nickni_Name:

7000 ve

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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justinh1:

to nvidia. for the win!

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Nickni_Name:

with room i can ask it with mythbuntu?

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justinh1:

#mythbuntu for that

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iamlindoro:

#mythbuntu

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Nickni_Name:

i havent a another card....

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wagnerrp:

its no longer #ubuntu-mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

one redirects to the other

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wagnerrp:

Nickni_Name: that card has long since been abandoned by ATI, and the OSS drivers are not particularly feature-rich

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wagnerrp:

pick up an old 6200AGP for $20 or so

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Nickni_Name:

with mythbuntu 7.10 it works.... but with the new version not

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wagnerrp:

well then ask the ubuntu people

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wagnerrp:

most of us in here dont use ATI for just that reason

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justinh1:

prolly a newer driver where they dropped support for your card

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wagnerrp:

(so we have no experience with them to help)

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justinh1:

they do that a lot

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they probably on support 2000 series or better in their mainline drivers

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Dagmar:

Oh here we go http://tinyurl.com/ydwsscz

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Dagmar:

Amazingly, it links back to the MythTV wiki that no one ever reads

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justinh1:

when it's there the support is actually pretty good

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Dagmar:

Throw the card aware

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Dagmar:

s/aware/away/

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Nickni_Name:

mhhhh and what i can do?

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Dagmar:

You can throw it underhand, sidearmed, or fast pitch.

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iamlindoro:

purchase a supported graphics card

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justinh1:

downgrade your drivers somehow, or get a sparkly new nvidia card for $nutmuch

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Dagmar:

Or you can _read_

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justinh1:

for $20 I'd take the latter option

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Nickni_Name:

mhhh, i would do it, but in some muntch i have pcie mainboard and than the card in trash. its not good and with 7.10 it works, so it must go in the new version, too. i think

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wagnerrp:

you currently have a PCIe motherboard?

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wagnerrp:

or are you saying you would have to buy one?

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Nickni_Name:

no... but in few munth i hope :)

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justinh1:

ebay!

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Dagmar:

Maybe some literacy will up and attack you between now and then

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wagnerrp:

you can still find older AGP nvidia cards (like the 6200)

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Nickni_Name:

and now i have a agp card, but this wont work

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: check out the login address)

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wagnerrp:

Nickni_Name: look through the ubuntu docs

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I didnt' say spelling

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wagnerrp:

figure out how to install the old legacy ATI drivers

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It took me less than 60 seconds to find the state of that card

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Dagmar:

..._and_ it was even on the wiki

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Nickni_Name:

a other question, works it to look a mpeg file with a 800mhz cpu... in 7.10 it work but this version pherhaps must have a better cpu?

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Dagmar:

Nickni_Name: You just need to buy an nVidia card.

[21:09:40]

Dagmar:

You also need to read the documentation.

[21:09:58]

Nickni_Name:

but it works on 7.10 mythbuntu and why not in 9.10?

[21:10:00]

Dagmar:

The amount of CPU power needed to play video back and to record video is written on the wiki many times over.

[21:10:09]

Dagmar:

Nickni_Name: Ask them what they did that was different

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wagnerrp:

Nickni_Name: we told you several times, ATI has abandoned support of that card

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have to figure out how to load the legacy ATI drivers in ubuntu

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Nickni_Name:

i am a beginner in linux i dont know aninthing :)

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wagnerrp:

that is if they still even work with a modern Xorg

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wagnerrp:

go to #ubuntu, they will tell you what to do

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Nickni_Name:

thnaks oi will try it :)

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wagnerrp:

tell them you need the legacy ATI drivers

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Nickni_Name:

so i say thanks and a nice evening :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: looks like british retailers are stocking the 'e' processors

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no fair... none at newegg, yet

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wagnerrp:

they DO have a 905e

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sphery:

I was planning to order on Tues and just get a 240 if the 240e is not in, yet.

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wagnerrp:

2.5GHz Phenom 2 (65W)

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sphery:

It's the 45W I liked

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dustybin:

perfect for a home server

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_ben:

Evening

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sphery:

the extra cores are kind of useless for me, so I'm not spending the extra $110 on it

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sphery:

I'll go with a 65W 240e

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wagnerrp:

plus its still 65w

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how the 2.5GHz with L3 compares to the 2.8GHz 240e

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wagnerrp:

single threaded

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wagnerrp:

thats basically the only difference between the phenoms and X2s right?

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Dibblah:

sphery: Seen SPCR?

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Dibblah:

Good resource to get an idea of power consumptions of motherboard / CPU combos.

[21:35:16]

sphery:

no, what on there?

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sphery:

Oh...

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Dibblah:

Silent PC Review

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sphery:

yeah, looking through

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Dibblah:

Forums are pretty good.

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Dibblah:

Oh, and the GT220 is quite nice :)

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Dibblah:

10w increment over i945, VDPAU with all the bells and whistles,...

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wagnerrp:

looks like its on par with the 9500GT

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wagnerrp:

a bit more power, a bit more consumption

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wagnerrp:

wikipedia reports a 58W TDP

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wagnerrp:

its not available as an IGP is it?

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Dibblah:

Not at this time.

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wagnerrp:

meaning never

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Dibblah:

As in my FE system has a I945, and with that as integrated graphics it idles at 22w.

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Dibblah:

With the GT220, it idles at 32.

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wagnerrp:

oh? well thats not bad at all... that with an atom? or a mobile CPU?

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Dibblah:

T7200

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Dibblah:

Or was it 5600?

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Dibblah:

So yeah, mobile CPU.

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messerting:

Hi, I did an upgrade of some codecs some days ago, and now I noticed that DVD playback doesn't have proper sound, only static noise

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messerting:

I use sound over HDMI to my TV

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iamlindoro:

MythTV does not use any external codecs

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messerting:

anyone knows what I can do to fix this...?

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messerting:

hm, ok

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messerting:

normal TV works, recordings and playback

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wagnerrp:

did DVD playback over HDMI ever work?

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messerting:

yes

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wagnerrp:

or are you just now noticing it for the first time

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wagnerrp:

try turning off pass through

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wagnerrp:

let mythtv decode to PCM before transmitting it

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messerting:

no – it was working before I did a "yum upgrade" on my box (stupid me :))

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messerting:

ok, will try that, thanks

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** messerting building 0.22-fixes from svn now. maybe the proglem just goes away :) **

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dustybin:

i still havent touched .22, i wonder what its like

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iamlindoro:

like .21, only .01 more.

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dustybin:

when was .21 released?

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iamlindoro:

19 or so months ago

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iamlindoro:

6000 or so commits ago

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dustybin:

will it take another 19+ months for .23 to be released?

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iamlindoro:

no

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dustybin:

how do you know?

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iamlindoro:

because I know many, many... MANY... things you don't.

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[R]:

lol

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dustybin:

aye ok :D

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smithna:

Does anyone know if parental controls work in 0.22? I am trying right now, without much sucess.

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smithna:

For example: I set level 4 to TV-MA and set Californication to that rating, but it still shows up at level 1

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iamlindoro:

In MythVideo, or elsewhere?

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smithna:

mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

If you're trying to use automatic ratings, those are related to what the grabber gives back, not what you set

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iamlindoro:

namely, for TV-MA to automatically get a Parental Rating of 4, your grabber script would need to provide a ratings value

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gunni:

Hi, everytime i start mythfrontend it says it wants to update the database scheme from 1025 to 1028. Mythfrontend.log only says "2009-10–31 11:21:11.605 Couldn't upgrade video database schema, exiting.

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gunni:

". Any idea?

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iamlindoro:

neither tvdb.py nor tmdb.pl provide ratings

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smithna:

iamlindoro: I fixed the ratings by editing the database

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iamlindoro:

smithna, well, no need to edit the DB, just use the edit metadata screen

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iamlindoro:

in mythvideo

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smithna:

BTW: setting showlevel to 0 doesn't work...

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iamlindoro:

like I said, setting the ratings locally doesn't do anything besides provide you with text rating

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smithna:

iamlindoro: way to many videos to do that effectively

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iamlindoro:

What do you expect showlevel to do?

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iamlindoro:

It works fine

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smithna:

if I have a R rated show and R is set to level 3 — the show should only show up in levels 3 and above...

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smithna:

or that's how I read the wiki

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iamlindoro:

smithna, You are not listening

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Dibblah:

Argh. bisecting v4l-dvb is _painful_.

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iamlindoro:

the ratings to level settings only get interpreted when the *grabber script* is run

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iamlindoro:

meaning the grabber must provide the rating for automatic parental ratings to get set

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iamlindoro:

none of the new grabber scripts do

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smithna:

oh.... I surely didn't catch that!

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smithna:

So, no — parental controls don't work in 0.22

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iamlindoro:

Yes, they do

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iamlindoro:

The automatic parental settings don't work with the grabber scripts *you are using* because those scripts don't provide rating info

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smithna:

Neither TVDB or TMDB provide ratings as of right now...

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iamlindoro:

parental settings and automatic parental settings are two seperate features

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iamlindoro:

both work

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iamlindoro:

correct

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smithna:

And we are not suppose to use IMDB due to TOS

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iamlindoro:

correct...

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smithna:

Making the parental control effectively (if not actually) broken

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iamlindoro:

incorrect

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iamlindoro:

there are multiple non english grabbers which provide ratings info for those locales

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wagnerrp:

it works just fine, you just dont get the settings from tmdb

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wagnerrp:

you can set them on your own

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smithna:

iamlindoro: Thanks for clearing that up.

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mortne:

Hi. I have a question regarding the Danish airborne TV signal becoming digital very soon. I hope to either get help or a pointer to a better place to ask. I am receiving DVB-T with a Hauppage WinTV-PVR-500MCE, and the specs say 'is supports MPEG-1 and MPEG-2'. Do I need anything to receive MPEG-4-channels, or will that be handled through software somehow?

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iamlindoro:

smithna, np

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wagnerrp:

mortne: the PVR line are analog cards

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iamlindoro:

smithna, I'm hoping we'll have a new grabber for tmdb for .23, which should use their soon to be released API, which will include ratings

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wagnerrp:

meaning they capture analog video, and encode to mpeg2 using an onboard encoder chip

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wagnerrp:

they do not support DVB

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wagnerrp:

you will have to purchase a DVB-T card

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mortne:

Sorry – confused myself – I have a NOVA-T500 card.. It replaced my PVR-card.

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smithna:

iamlindoro: it maybe useful to add the caveat that this needs to work via a script to the wiki

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wagnerrp:

then you can capture any compliant DVB-T stream

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wagnerrp:

the tuner card just sends a data stream to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it does no mpeg processing

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mortne:

wagnerrp: Thanks. Then I can relax again...

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iamlindoro:

So when SyFyllis HD puts these GIANT parental rating bugs in the corner at the beginning of the show, they really make it look like hell

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smithna:

Sure do...

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wagnerrp:

they dont play anything above T/PG-13 do they?

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iamlindoro:

doubt it

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ffeingol:

I just upgraded to the latest mythbuntu / mythtv .22rc1. Everything is working fine but video's. I can't get the meta data to update / save

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wagnerrp:

back out, wait several seconds, go back in

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iamlindoro:

not necessary

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That's been fixed for a few weeks

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wagnerrp:

ah, havent really been paying attention the last few weeks

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iamlindoro:

ffeingol, You need to be more specific about your problem-- what is it you are trying to do/what are you doing to get it to do so/what are you seeing

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ffeingol:

sure. I (for example) go into the front end and enter the IMDB number for the movie. Then I have it download the metadata. Looks like it's doing it but if I go back to the move list everything is all "?" with no cover art and no metadata

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iamlindoro:

Why enter the IMDB number?

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iamlindoro:

just do a search

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iamlindoro:

highlight an item, press W

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iamlindoro:

then check the logs

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wagnerrp:

its possible the TMDB api servers are swamped

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iamlindoro:

if your movies aren't named accurately, or if the film isn't at TMDB, or if TMDB doesn't have the IMDB number netered in its details screen, then it won't work

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iamlindoro:

and yes, TMDB and TVDB are very slow on weekends

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wagnerrp:

the webpage and API servers are independent

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wagnerrp:

so even if one is up, the other may be down/slow

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ffeingol:

that is why I've been entering it. So it's an exact hit on one movie (to test)

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ffeingol:

it appears to be downloading however. I can see a new file in /var/lib/mythtv/converart for example, but it's not displaying on the front end

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ffeingol:

right now I have one box that is front end and back end

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wagnerrp:

looks like the servers are down

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wagnerrp:

i keep getting failues

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ffeingol:

ok. but what's wierd is when I go back into the same video the imdb # that I entered is gone. Does it clear it out if it gets a failure on the update?

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wagnerrp:

no.... 'could not start process'?

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ffeingol:

what's the default location for the log for fetchign that data?

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iamlindoro:

It doens't have its own log, it's just in your frontend log

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wagnerrp:

try in /var/log/mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

most distros default to there, or in /var/log

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wagnerrp:

or you can just run the frontend from a terminal, and watch the output

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ffeingol:

give me s sec to try that

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iamlindoro:

ffeingol, what film?

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iamlindoro:

give me an example of something that is failing for you

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ffeingol:

one sec.

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ffeingol:

Matilda. It should be IMDB #0117008

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iamlindoro:

works fine here

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iamlindoro:

though nobody has set a plot for it

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ffeingol:

yea, I have a feeling I have something setup wrong with my new storage groups

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wagnerrp:

i should really update... havent done so in a long time

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs should be enlightening

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wagnerrp:

good day, nothing recording tonight

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ffeingol:

are you familar with the new storage groups?

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iamlindoro:

heh. Very.

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ffeingol:

ok. Let me know if I did this right then :-)

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ffeingol:

for each of the types (banners, coverart etc.) I defined the path on the back end where they should be stored

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iamlindoro:

assuming you set them up in mythtv-setup, yes

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iamlindoro:

and assuming the film is also hosted on the backend, and the video SG is set up

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ffeingol:

Yea, that is where I did it. I just left the default alone

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iamlindoro:

can't really get any further without logs

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ffeingol:

ok. going to try again

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wagnerrp:

wow, im 260 commits behind

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: all of your grabber changes are finished?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, should be for now

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ffeingol:

ok. Seems to be working a bit better now.

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iamlindoro:

ffeingol, it's very likely that ou are just seeing the sources being bogged down under traffic

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ffeingol:

Now a second question. Ever time I go back into mythvideo I have to rescan to get the movie lists. I assume that is not normal

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iamlindoro:

during the week is the best time to grab, the weekend is really tough

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iamlindoro:

ffeingol, to get new movies, or from scratch?

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ffeingol:

just go to back and see what I already have

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wagnerrp:

every time you add content, you have to rescan

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iamlindoro:

Then yes, that's not normal and indicates a database problem

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iamlindoro:

adding new content requires a scan, but existing content should persist

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ffeingol:

ok. I'll check on the db, run repair etc.

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ffeingol:

I just went into the movies via the mythweb and now the metada that 'was' there is gone LOL

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wagnerrp:

mythweb does not work with storagegroups

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ffeingol:

okie

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wagnerrp:

if you want to continue using that interface, you have to stick with the old format, or wait until mythweb gets updated to do so

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wagnerrp:

(or if you want to do so yourself, im sure the author wouldnt mind help)

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ffeingol:

Na, I typically only use web to schedule recordings. I'm just trying to avoid running back/forh across the house LOL

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wagnerrp:

well you can always run the frontend in VNC

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ffeingol:

I'm on linux-mint here so I should be able to get it put a display here

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wagnerrp:

assuming your X server is open to network connections, you can just set the DISPLAY... or you can use SSH tunneling

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ffeingol:

yea, that is what I was trying before. It's all on the LAN so I did a xhost + here and set my DISPLAY on the backend. Of course it did not work LOL

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clever:

ffeingol: most distro's run X with -nolisten tcp, so it wont work

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wagnerrp:

probably because your x-server is not permitted to receive network connections

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wagnerrp:

what clever said

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clever:

i just edit the gdm or whatever config and it goes away

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ffeingol:

yup. I'll dig more

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clever:

gdm.conf

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clever:

DisallowTCP=true

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clever:

seems its blocked here, but i dont use gdm so this config doesnt actualy matter

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wagnerrp:

"all ebuilds that could satisfy 'x11-libs/libvdpau' have been masked"

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wagnerrp:

thats been split off into its own xorg library now?

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clever:

VIDEO_CARDS="vesa nvidia"

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clever:

USE="$USE vdpau"

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clever:

thats all i need in make.conf

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wagnerrp:

i know how to fix it

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clever:

then mplayer and x all work properly

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wagnerrp:

im just surprised that i had to, meaning its no longer part of the nvidia package

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clever:

i havent updated recently

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wagnerrp:

looks like ~3 hours

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clever:

Total: 9 packages (9 upgrades), Size of downloads: 76,700 kB

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clever:

for the system group

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messerting:

hm, regarding my question about sound over HDMI from DVD, it turns out that I had changed some settings, and used ALSA:hdmi instead of ALSA:default and internal volume controls (PCM)

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messerting:

now it works, but livetv is a bit jerky for the first 5 seconds or so

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brockp:

I swear I suck at google, and looking at the menus, but didn't there use to be a slider for setting the signal threashold?

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brockp:

I just got an HDHome run and all the signals are comming in at ~55% when ran though a splitter, so myth wont tune/lock, but will without the splitter,

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brockp:

I was going to try and lower the threshold but I can't find the slider anymore!

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iamlindoro:

No, you cannot control the signal threshold-- myth won't tune/lock because it can't tune/lock, it's not an arbitrary/program choice

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iamlindoro:

need to drop the splitter, or use a powered drop amp

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brockp:

strange, maybe I am nuts then remembering seeing a slider a year ago or so,

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iamlindoro:

nope-- signal timeouts, yes, signal amounts, no

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iamlindoro:

myth locks when the API it's accessing says it's locked, we have no control over what's called "locked"

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brockp:

and this can't be set in the hdhomerun_config tool?

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iamlindoro:

doubtful-- why would you want to? If it can't lock, you can't watch

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iamlindoro:

it's not an arbitrary amount-- the hardware can either lock on the signal or it can't

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brockp:

from my reading, 65 is the threashold s/n it wants and it is getting ~%58–62 so boarderline, hopping just to have some blockyness every so often,

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