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| [00:09:33] | sphery: | So, only 2 duplicate indices in all of Myth--one in MythTV and one in MythVideo (I didn't check/don't use MythFlix or MythZoneMinder, though) |
| [00:10:11] | sphery: | So it was the one I knew about and the one from #7436 |
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| [00:11:35] | sphery: | So, I can't really justify not making it work even for users who don't have the dup/manually dropped it. I think you only get the MV one with some upgrade paths, anyway (not new DB's), so I'll have to handle it properly, anyway. |
| [00:14:36] | Josh_: | hmm. |
| [00:14:51] | kormoc: | sad |
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| [00:18:38] | tmkt: | sphery: then will it be removed from the theme, along with video manager? |
| [00:19:04] | sphery: | probably not for -fixes, but maybe for 0.23 |
| [00:19:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: is self correcting noise really noise? ;) |
| [00:19:59] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, It's embarrassment at the very least :) |
| [00:20:24] | sphery: | kormoc: not if you send the special "recall message" IRC command |
| [00:20:45] | sphery: | just like all those "recall message" e-mails we occasionally get in the lists :) |
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| [00:21:24] | Josh_: | sphery, so it's okay to drop that index manually? |
| [00:21:56] | sphery: | I wouldn't do it until the final commit goes into trunk so you can see whether I decided to handle it or not |
| [00:22:02] | Josh_: | sphery, ok. |
| [00:22:15] | kormoc: | any why do you care? The overhead it is causing is likely so little... |
| [00:22:30] | sphery: | dropping the index will save you all of /maybe/ 8kB |
| [00:22:37] | sphery: | of HDD space, that is |
| [00:22:53] | sphery: | and really only if you happen to have many recording groups with passwords defined |
| [00:23:15] | Josh_: | What would be the suggesed mythbackend log setting to help debugging the flash player? |
| [00:23:27] | kormoc: | none, check the apache logs |
| [00:23:30] | Josh_: | sphery, okay then, if it's not that big of a deal. |
| [00:23:34] | Josh_: | kormoc, ahh |
| [00:23:38] | Josh_: | kormoc, no wonder! |
| [00:23:42] | sphery: | actually, I'm guessing it will save you no HDD space as the file is likely much smaller than your filesystem's minimum unit |
| [00:23:47] | sphery: | whatever those are called |
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| [00:24:30] | sphery: | cluster? |
| [00:24:42] | kormoc: | block? |
| [00:24:48] | sphery: | perhaps... |
| [00:25:31] | kormoc: | so it is a cluster |
| [00:25:36] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_%28file_system%29 |
| [00:26:14] | sphery: | cool... |
| [00:26:38] | sphery: | I was pulling from my ages old DOS neurons for that one |
| [00:27:41] | sphery: | seems block also applies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_(data_storage) |
| [00:27:49] | sphery: | the terminology is a cluster |
| [00:27:58] | sphery: | (different definition) |
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| [00:32:00] | sphery: | So, I actually have 4096-byte blocks on my 16GB filesystem with the MySQL data with default-chosen block size (ext3), so it's possible it may free up a block or 2 by dropping the redundant index. |
| [00:33:19] | sphery: | still would likely need a /lot/ of password-protected recording groups, though, to see a change. |
| [00:34:46] | ** iamlindoro sets HTML on fire ** | |
| [00:35:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:37:49] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Why doesn't it do all the things I want it to do, properly, without me learning it??? |
| [00:37:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: if you made a theme that was on fire, people might actually be willing to pay for it |
| [00:38:03] | iamlindoro: | alas |
| [00:38:06] | kormoc: | 3d fire |
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| [00:38:12] | sphery: | animated, of course |
| [00:38:15] | kormoc: | totally |
| [00:39:34] | wagnerrp: | not yet, but you can at least to video fire |
| [00:39:39] | wagnerrp: | s/to/do/ |
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| [00:42:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/stupidHTML.png |
| [00:42:09] | iamlindoro: | There, best I can do for those screens for now |
| [00:42:10] | sphery: | I heard that the Havok engine can do fire. Why don't we just use that for Myth? |
| [00:42:25] | kormoc: | totally |
| [00:42:41] | kormoc: | and to watch a recording, you have to whack a headcrap with a flaming barrel |
| [00:43:08] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:43:40] | sphery: | and it would likely start a big "my engine is better than yours" flamewar with the people who like the other engine... whatever it's called |
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| [00:57:58] | wagnerrp: | whats with the jaggies on that font? |
| [00:58:32] | sphery: | think that's because of the HTML widget |
| [00:58:40] | sphery: | just a guess, though |
| [00:58:52] | sphery: | either that or it's a cheap font that's not worth $20 ;) |
| [00:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Yes, something internal to the webbrowser widget |
| [01:00:01] | iamlindoro: | dunno if, since Paul wrote it as a standalone program, he isn't doing all the font handling stuff we do internally |
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| [01:01:42] | wagnerrp: | this is an attempt to display additional arbitrary information, outside the purview of mythui? |
| [01:01:43] | sphery: | sure, just try and convince the -users list that it's not a cheap-o font |
| [01:02:04] | sphery: | no, it's the Program Details screen--the one you get with U in Watch Recordings |
| [01:02:29] | wagnerrp: | why would it run through html? |
| [01:02:51] | Josh_: | Looks like the flowplayer swf app in mythweb needs a version bump. I was getting an error "Failure to load resources error 2124" when attempting to watch a video, upgraded flowplayer to the newest (3.1.5) and it works now. |
| [01:03:21] | sphery: | got a patch? |
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| [01:04:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, The theoretical reason is that there are craploads of information of variable lengths and sizes, making HTML the best choice-- to which I say every other spot in Myth has variable length text and we make due there |
| [01:06:10] | Josh_: | sphery, I don't think a patch is really needed, just upgrade flowplayer-3.1.1.swf and flowplayer.controls-3.1.1.swf in mythweb/moduels/tv/ to the newest version. |
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| [01:10:51] | sphery: | oh, I see |
| [01:11:41] | sphery: | I've never used the flash stuff, so I assumed there was more to it |
| [01:12:36] | Josh_: | sphery, the player itself is fairly simple, it seems. However, mythweb transcodes the recording before playback, so that may cause some problems. |
| [01:15:41] | kormoc: | that resource error should only happen if the thumbnail generation takes longer then 30 seconds to complete |
| [01:16:06] | Josh_: | kormoc, hmm. It didn't wait no 30 seconds |
| [01:16:20] | Josh_: | kormoc, it popped that message immediately after loading the recording |
| [01:17:37] | Josh_: | bah, i think I see what happened. |
| [01:18:23] | Josh_: | yeah, I upgraded versions, and mythweb couldnt find flowplayer-3.1.1.swf, so it fell back to the default flash player |
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| [01:26:32] | Josh_: | kormoc, weird. Looks like it's generating the thumbnail, but it's not being loaded correctly by the flash player |
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| [01:33:48] | Josh_: | oooh |
| [01:34:14] | Josh_: | Deleted all my "Family Guy" recordings from mythweb, it deleted the files but not the metadata |
| [01:34:44] | Josh_: | wait |
| [01:34:47] | Josh_: | Files still there. |
| [01:34:51] | Josh_: | sigh. |
| [01:34:55] | Josh_: | so it didnt do anything |
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| [01:39:21] | Josh_: | sigh. |
| [01:39:25] | sphery: | Josh_: happens when mythbackend can't delete the files--like when there's a permissions issue or mythbackend can't find the file or similar |
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| [01:39:58] | Josh_: | sphery, I think it actualy did delete the file, because now I can't delete the file from a frontend. |
| [01:40:43] | Josh_: | sphery, still checking |
| [01:40:46] | sphery: | you can always delete from a frontend |
| [01:40:54] | sphery: | just use INFO|Delete... |
| [01:41:09] | Josh_: | sphery, or just the "D" key – right? |
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| [01:41:12] | sphery: | INFO should give you a "Not Available" popup if the recording isn't there |
| [01:41:26] | sphery: | I can't guarantee that D works if the file's not there |
| [01:41:42] | Josh_: | sphery, see, that's it. |
| [01:41:51] | sphery: | but I'd guess it is and the same issue that's preventing you from deleting it through mythweb is preventing deleting it through mythfrontend |
| [01:42:11] | Josh_: | sphery, I delete the recording from a frontend, and it goes away, but when I leave / re-enter the recordings screen, it's back |
| [01:42:25] | sphery: | because in both cases (all proper cases, actually), it's actually mythbackend that does the delete |
| [01:42:34] | sphery: | yeah, that's because the backend can't delete it |
| [01:42:37] | Josh_: | sphery, all the backend is doing is complaining about "file not local: '/path/to/filename'" |
| [01:42:41] | sphery: | permissions/SG/hostname/... issues |
| [01:42:45] | Josh_: | hmm |
| [01:42:45] | sphery: | look at the backend log |
| [01:42:50] | sphery: | which you did |
| [01:43:05] | Josh_: | oh JESUS |
| [01:43:16] | Josh_: | dont know how it happened |
| [01:43:20] | sphery: | mount not mounted? |
| [01:43:21] | Josh_: | but SG "Default" is now owned by apache:apache |
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| [01:43:30] | sphery: | or that :) |
| [01:43:35] | sphery: | anyway, glad you found it |
| [01:43:52] | Josh_: | sphery, I was worried |
| [01:44:50] | Josh_: | sphery, that also explains why only half of my program thumbnails were being generated |
| [01:46:03] | Josh_: | I WONDER |
| [01:46:08] | ** Josh_ tries the flash player again ** | |
| [01:47:00] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:50:53] | Josh_: | bwahaha |
| [01:51:18] | Josh_: | funny how things work with the correct permissions :) |
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| [01:56:07] | baxter_kylie: | Hi. Can anyone tell me what files control the db creation / alteration in the source? I'm having a rough time understanding the layout of all of it. |
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| [01:57:47] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? exploratory? or to actually do some work/modification? |
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| [02:04:00] | Josh_: | sphery, the players work now, but the files I want to delete still refuse to be deleted |
| [02:05:19] | sphery: | remember the backend user does the deleting, so it has to have read, write, and execute permissions on the directory |
| [02:05:43] | sphery: | execute to get there, read to see if the file exists within it, and write to delete the file |
| [02:06:11] | sphery: | and even parent directory perms can come into play |
| [02:06:18] | Josh_: | sphery, permisions on all my SGs are drwxr-xr-x, owned by mythtv:video, mythbackend is running as user 'mythtv' |
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| [02:07:32] | Josh_: | gonna have to start the backend with different logging options |
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| [02:11:20] | highzeth: | sphery: that didnt take long, we can scratch nfs from the list I think. Same err as before, random channel again. With actimeo=0 in mount. |
| [02:11:45] | sphery: | :( |
| [02:11:59] | highzeth: | aye, oh well, atleast we know that much ;) |
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| [02:12:45] | sphery: | might want to try the patch they're discussing in #mythtv for now, too--as that may fix the #7381 portion of the issue (LiveTV/recording-in-progress stuff) |
| [02:18:49] | highzeth: | my plane leaves in 5 hours, I have to give that sleep thing a go, will keep an eye on #7381 while away. thx so far =) |
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| [02:27:27] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
| [02:28:09] | wagnerrp: | Fillion is (almost) wearing his serenity outfit in Castle tonight |
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| [02:30:41] | OpenMedia: | Anyone here tried a database upgrade from a 0.20 schema into 0.22. |
| [02:31:17] | wagnerrp: | should work fine |
| [02:31:20] | OpenMedia: | Ive had some issues where the backend couldn't upgrade the schema, and I had to bump the version number manually. |
| [02:31:23] | OpenMedia: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d5bf8d587 |
| [02:31:29] | wagnerrp: | that is a very bad thing |
| [02:31:46] | OpenMedia: | Checked out the SQL and it appeared to return the correct results. |
| [02:36:06] | sphery: | OpenMedia: if you're bumping version numbers manually, you're breaking your data |
| [02:36:09] | Josh_: | I'm still having problems deleting recordings.. – wait |
| [02:36:17] | Josh_: | OOOOH |
| [02:36:26] | Josh_: | they're deleteting, but slowly apparently |
| [02:36:33] | Josh_: | I think I have that checkmark ticked |
| [02:36:50] | sphery: | slow deletes rocks for ext3 (useless with some file systems) |
| [02:38:24] | sphery: | OpenMedia: you should go back to your backup of the 0.20 database and upgrade to SVN/0.22-fixes revision 22550 or higher |
| [02:38:27] | OpenMedia: | sphery: I checked out the SQL for each of my failed upgrades and none of them would have changed any data in my environment. |
| [02:38:32] | sphery: | I think you're using an old version |
| [02:38:44] | sphery: | OpenMedia: still, if it doesn't just work, don't trust the upgrade |
| [02:39:54] | sphery: | OpenMedia: if you go back to your backup and use r22550 or higher, it should just work--unless there are data/schema issues |
| [02:41:23] | OpenMedia: | Currently using mythtv (0.22.0~zrc1–0ubuntu1) karmic based of the rc1 snapshot |
| [02:42:14] | sphery: | what svn revision from: mythbackend --version |
| [02:42:38] | sphery: | it's definitely older than the one I mentioned |
| [02:44:10] | OpenMedia: | MythTV Version : |
| [02:44:11] | OpenMedia: | MythTV Branch : tags/release-0-22-rc1 |
| [02:44:17] | OpenMedia: | Yeah it is an older revision. |
| [02:44:25] | sphery: | :( they haven't fixed their build script, yet, it seems |
| [02:44:35] | sphery: | oh, they took it from tags... |
| [02:44:37] | sphery: | that's just wrong |
| [02:45:23] | sphery: | it would be r22453 |
| [02:45:35] | sphery: | and you'd be missing a huge number of important bug fixes found during the RC testing |
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| [02:46:33] | Josh_: | exit |
| [02:46:56] | OpenMedia: | I'll have another try with a more recent snapshot... |
| [02:47:19] | sphery: | OpenMedia: yeah, your best bet is to find a build from release-0-22-fixes branch |
| [02:49:15] | OpenMedia: | sphery: Yeah issue was fixed in r22550. |
| [02:49:21] | OpenMedia: | Just taking a look at the source now. |
| [02:51:45] | sphery: | OpenMedia: yeah, the empty query stuff was, but since there may be other SQL that should have executed after the empty string, it's pretty important to use a version that can handle the empty string properly |
| [02:52:01] | sphery: | i.e. where you bumped the version, some stuff may not have been executed |
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| [02:52:40] | sphery: | I highly recommend going back to a 0.20 backup and doing a complete upgrade to make sure your data is good |
| [02:53:22] | OpenMedia: | sphery: I checked the SQL manually to confirm I needed none of the changes for 1170 1176 and 1198 |
| [02:54:13] | OpenMedia: | But I'll make a comparison when I get a more recent snapshot up and running. |
| [02:54:49] | sphery: | OpenMedia: but you may need those changes for the upgrade to 0.23 to succeed |
| [02:54:59] | sphery: | so, basically, you may have just created a ticking time-bomb |
| [02:57:43] | OpenMedia: | change 1170 only applies if you have ATSC tuners |
| [02:58:02] | OpenMedia: | change 1176 removes FIREWIRE tuners |
| [02:58:25] | OpenMedia: | and 1198 removes HDTV tuners. |
| [02:59:07] | sphery: | It's your data, so it's your choice, but I've told you the proper/supported fix. |
| [02:59:11] | OpenMedia: | Based on the data in my backup none of these would apply. |
| [02:59:58] | OpenMedia: | sphery: Hey I appreciate the help and I'll re-try once I get an updated build. The Mythbuntu guys have just releases a r22594 build today. |
| [03:00:37] | sphery: | cool. that' has a lot of important fixes since the rc1 tag |
| [03:01:37] | OpenMedia: | Just looking at the list of fixes at the moment. You're not kidding.. |
| [03:03:17] | OpenMedia: | Really need the bunch of H.264 related fixes.. |
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| [03:05:08] | paul3v: | Yay vlc finally plays smoothly without crashing |
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| [03:38:19] | Josh_: | sphery, that bedroom frontend is acting up again |
| [03:38:37] | paul3v: | So now my tv tuner works with vlc, but the audio doesn't work with mythtv |
| [03:38:51] | Josh_: | sphery, int he livetv EPG, EXTREMELY sluggish, taking 1–2 MINS to co up or down in the menu |
| [03:39:29] | sphery: | Josh_: and you've check the usual--channel icons are properly defined (or empty) and accessible/readable? |
| [03:39:35] | iamlindoro: | icon mount issue |
| [03:39:46] | sphery: | but I used more words... |
| [03:40:15] | paul3v: | I'm excited the video plays super smooth now ;) |
| [03:40:24] | sphery: | also, I think there's a problem with bob deint that can cause that (though deint should be disabled when in the EPG, now, for that reason) |
| [03:40:33] | Josh_: | so I just need to disable icons in general then. to me, if a few are missing , it's outrageous for the thing to go completely unresponsive |
| [03:40:51] | sphery: | but would be worth changing to a "simple" (kernel, linear blend, ...) deint just to test |
| [03:41:15] | sphery: | Josh_: you need to tell myth which ones you have and not lie about it |
| [03:41:45] | sphery: | i.e. space = "I don't have one" and /path/to/icon.png means "the file /patch/to/icon.png exists, is readable, /and/ is a valid image file" |
| [03:41:50] | Josh_: | sphery, it's not an issue about 'lying' about it, it was all done in mythtv-setup |
| [03:42:15] | sphery: | if they're all defined properly, then icons won't cause it to slow |
| [03:42:48] | Josh_: | sphery, I didnt have the patience for every one, the ones that it couldnt find through the automatic thing I didnt worry about seaching. |
| [03:43:23] | sphery: | that doesn't mean you need an icon for every channel--it just means you have to have the icon path set to the empty string (not space, but it was easier to type) instead of a path to a missing file |
| [03:43:53] | Josh_: | sphery, say I just want to disable all channel icons. |
| [03:44:30] | Josh_: | sphery, there needs to be a space or will a simple "" do? |
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| [03:46:14] | sphery: | no space |
| [03:46:20] | sphery: | it might actually be "none" |
| [03:46:27] | Josh_: | sphery, iamlindoro set all the channel icons to "", EPG is still acting stupid. |
| [03:46:52] | sphery: | make it none |
| [03:46:57] | Josh_: | sphery, kk |
| [03:47:04] | sphery: | but you'll have to restart mythfrontend |
| [03:47:14] | Josh_: | sphery, oh? |
| [03:47:44] | Josh_: | wow, telnet interface is even slow |
| [03:47:46] | sphery: | well, myth doesn't really expect data to change out from under it |
| [03:48:17] | Josh_: | dont want to just kill mythfrontend, and it's not responding to commands... |
| [03:48:22] | Josh_: | but video is still playing |
| [03:49:20] | sphery: | there seems to be a focus issue that can occur in some (unknown/not-well-understood) situations |
| [03:49:24] | sphery: | might just be that |
| [03:49:46] | Josh_: | sphery, focus would make telnet interface unresponsive? |
| [03:50:05] | sphery: | no |
| [03:50:10] | sphery: | I thought you meant keyboard |
| [03:50:21] | sphery: | don't know what would cause network control issues |
| [03:50:58] | Josh_: | now that I've killed the frontend, it will most likely come back acting fine. |
| [03:52:16] | paul3v: | IF I have a dvb-t usb card receiving atsc, what type of sound device should I be using? |
| [03:53:14] | Josh_: | sphery, still acting slow.. I think the valid entry for no channel icon is "" |
| [03:53:26] | sphery: | it's none--I checked the code |
| [03:53:48] | Josh_: | well then the EPG is still very unresponsive |
| [03:54:01] | sphery: | paul3v: with ATSC you'd only use the audio output, so you could use OSS (/dev/dsp) or ALSA (ALSA:default) |
| [03:54:09] | Josh_: | with three defunct processes. |
| [03:54:46] | paul3v: | Ok, I'll try that, thanks :) Sound works with VLC so it's just a config issue at this point. |
| [03:54:59] | sphery: | Josh_: did you also make sure you're not using a 2x deint or bob? Use a simple one like kernel or one field or linear blend |
| [03:55:08] | Josh_: | sphery, let me check |
| [03:55:20] | paul3v: | BTW, I fixed instability/choppy video. Just downloaded and installed the latest ATI prop. drivers and they work wonderfully |
| [03:59:41] | Josh_: | sphery, frick. I can't see where the cursor is .. the button highlights on this theme are so subtle... |
| [04:01:21] | sphery: | Josh_: what rev? you need to use r22570 or higher |
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| [04:02:30] | MrMonkeyMan: | I have a core 2 duo 2.5ghz and just a basic intel integrated GPU... should this be enough power for an HDTV signal? |
| [04:02:45] | Josh_: | sphery, I'm using what was available on svn in the 0.22-fixes branch as of yesterday |
| [04:03:15] | Josh_: | sphery, All the playback profile modes were set to bob interlacer, I set to one field, let's see what happens. |
| [04:04:27] | sphery: | Josh_: wanna get me a screen shot of your setup screens so I can see what's happening? |
| [04:04:39] | Josh_: | sphery, still slightly sluggish, but bearable |
| [04:04:45] | sphery: | 22570 went in at 10/22/2009 02:20 PM EDT |
| [04:04:46] | Josh_: | sphery, I can, but that'll be a job for tomorrow |
| [04:04:53] | sphery: | thanks |
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| [04:05:15] | Josh_: | I'm running.... |
| [04:05:30] | Josh_: | 22563 |
| [04:05:40] | sphery: | ah, well, there's the problem :) |
| [04:05:46] | Josh_: | so mabye I'll recompile tomorrow also. |
| [04:05:58] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [04:06:04] | Josh_: | thanks, bbl |
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| [04:06:11] | sphery: | just making sure that my fix worked |
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| [04:06:35] | Seventoes: | how do i get my recordings to not delete themselves after being watched? |
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| [04:07:01] | sphery: | Seventoes: they never delete themselves after being watched |
| [04:07:17] | Seventoes: | mine aren't showing up in Watch Recordings after I watch them |
| [04:07:19] | Seventoes: | :( |
| [04:08:04] | ** sphery guesses that you need to Change Group View and click the box next to Watched ** | |
| [04:09:15] | Seventoes: | show watched programs is on :-/ |
| [04:10:20] | sphery: | when do they disappear? |
| [04:10:22] | sphery: | immediately? |
| [04:10:43] | Seventoes: | no not immediatly |
| [04:10:53] | Seventoes: | next day seems like |
| [04:11:08] | sphery: | is your recordings filesystem full? |
| [04:11:31] | Seventoes: | not at all |
| [04:11:37] | Seventoes: | wait maybe |
| [04:11:40] | Seventoes: | hmm |
| [04:11:47] | sphery: | because either a) they're LiveTV (in which case they're always deleted after 1 day) or b) your filesystem is full and you've enabled autoexpire on the recordings |
| [04:12:12] | sphery: | (and you should have autoexpire enabled on at least /some/ recordings because filling up the filesystem is A Bad Thing) |
| [04:12:16] | Seventoes: | ohh mythbuntu 9.04 made a seperate partition... i gotta set that as my recordings path... wheres that setting at? |
| [04:12:37] | sphery: | mythtv-setup, Storage Groups, change the directory list for Default |
| [04:12:39] | Seventoes: | i installed 9.10 over 9.04 so it's not using that partition automatically |
| [04:12:47] | Seventoes: | thanks :D |
| [04:12:52] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [04:13:01] | sphery: | myth is much better when you actually have room for the recordings :) |
| [04:13:24] | Seventoes: | lol :D |
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| [04:15:25] | Seventoes: | how do i mount a filesystem on boot? |
| [04:17:50] | iamlindoro: | by adding it to your fstab |
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| [04:49:57] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: heh, [22604] --and I thought I had broken my dummy tuner config (at least having it broken made it a lot easier to test the Qt theme stuff for #7382) |
| [04:50:16] | sphery: | now that it's fixed, the patch I'm working on for LiveTV should be easier to test. |
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| [05:03:35] | OmniCitadel: | running the mythbuntu the xfce menu bars auto hide while in mythtv but in gnome the bars do not auto hide, I have googled but it seems like none of which I have found are the issue any suggestions? |
| [05:04:50] | iamlindoro: | Turn off/remove compiz |
| [05:05:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I'm using that to try to debug #7381. :) think I may have found a bug in mpegts.c |
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| [05:10:14] | sphery: | heh, I'll need it for #7406 --I wasn't looking forward to figuring out why my recording wasn't working, anymore |
| [05:11:34] | OmniCitadel: | ok visual effects are disabled and system has been rebooted, that did the job iamlindoro thanks a bunch |
| [05:12:00] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [05:12:43] | OmniCitadel: | now I just need to figure out how i messed up my front end after installing the hulu integration LOLz |
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| [05:17:46] | OmniCitadel: | hahaha forgot to close the text line got to love simple html syntax and vodka |
| [05:20:26] | OmniCitadel: | WOW all I have to say is wow Hulu integrates so well into myth... and ideas on how to A) audo maximize and B) get back to myth front end? |
| [05:21:28] | [R]: | how are you integrating hulu? |
| [05:22:54] | OmniCitadel: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hulu_Desktop_Integration |
| [05:22:57] | jya: | iamlindoro: I've sent you a patch to fix the truehd audio click and static |
| [05:23:40] | iamlindoro: | jya, Thanks, I'll test it |
| [05:24:11] | jya: | I have a similar patch to fix playback of such audio in mythmusic ... the problem was the same |
| [05:27:20] | jya: | motion in the star trek rip isn't that smooth, like they did a very cheap transfer to 60Hz ... it stutters a bit |
| [05:27:57] | [R]: | OmniCitadel: how is that integration? |
| [05:28:01] | [R]: | thats just starting an external program |
| [05:30:03] | OmniCitadel: | [R]: Its not all that bad nearly looks intigrated to the default theme... And thats all I was talking about... I just need to figure out how to exit the hulu desktop back to the mythtv front end and upon launch auto full screen |
| [05:31:25] | iamlindoro: | jya, my results match yours, Star Trek plays properly, TDK not so |
| [05:31:39] | iamlindoro: | jya, thanks |
| [05:31:52] | jya: | and where you used to have static ? |
| [05:32:46] | iamlindoro: | Didn't have static, I had clicking (fixed), stutter(TDK, not fixed) and slowed down/warped audio on the trailers |
| [05:32:54] | iamlindoro: | (which I didn't re-test) |
| [05:33:02] | jya: | the trailers is a different story ... |
| [05:33:30] | jya: | it plays fine here with either libfaad or the ffmpeg internal aac decoder |
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| [05:35:21] | iamlindoro: | I compile with libfaad here, but still seeing slowed down/warped audio |
| [05:35:45] | jya: | you're in stereo or 5.1 audio ? |
| [05:36:09] | iamlindoro: | stereo.... but I just switched to .51 and it plays properly (even though I'm only using stereo out) |
| [05:36:20] | iamlindoro: | er 5.1 |
| [05:36:27] | jya: | libfaad doesn't downmix 5.1 to stereo properly, you'll be missing the surround audio and center channel |
| [05:36:39] | jya: | that could be what you're seeing |
| [05:36:42] | iamlindoro: | switch back to stereo and the warping comes back |
| [05:36:55] | jya: | multi channel AAC playback on a stereo system with libfaad is bad |
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| [05:37:45] | jya: | the downmixing is done properly by the ffmpeg internal aac decoder (but the channel order is incorrect) |
| [05:37:58] | jya: | channel order isn't an issue if stereo output however |
| [05:38:10] | iamlindoro: | I don't really need anything special offered by libfaaad, I suppose I could stop compiling against it |
| [05:38:14] | iamlindoro: | er libfaad |
| [05:38:31] | jya: | I use libfaad to get the LATM/AAC decoding ; which only works against libfaad |
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| [05:39:03] | jya: | I'd say if you have a stereo system, don't need LATM/AAC ; compile without libfaad |
| [05:39:14] | jya: | if 5.1 , use libfaad |
| [05:39:41] | jya: | hopefully the issue of channel ordering will be fixed after the next ffmpeg resync ; it has been fixed since |
| [05:40:07] | iamlindoro: | cool, will keep my eyes peeled then, thanks for the help |
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| [05:48:50] | EnderTheThird: | Hey all. Strange thing popped up today: When I go to "Watch Recordings", it tells me "No Recordings Present..." but I can see and schedule recordings from Mythweb. FE access to video library is fine, it just seems to be the recordings that I can't access. |
| [05:49:09] | EnderTheThird: | This is r22600 on 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 |
| [05:50:45] | oobe: | go to livetv and hit R |
| [05:50:56] | oobe: | then go back to recordings menu and see if it shows up |
| [05:51:14] | EnderTheThird: | Did that earlier with no luck. Same thing now. |
| [05:51:37] | EnderTheThird: | Shows up in Mythweb. It's recording everything fine; I just can't play them from the FE, heh |
| [05:51:37] | oobe: | are you using storage groups for recordings |
| [05:51:39] | OmniCitadel: | mythvodka only works with bbc now right? no native hulu support right? |
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| [05:52:13] | oobe: | i have no idea about mythvodka its only for UK and USA ppl |
| [05:52:22] | EnderTheThird: | Let me check |
| [05:52:35] | oobe: | i would love to see if it could be modded to support local tv streams |
| [05:52:59] | oobe: | but i dont watch my local ones anyway |
| [05:53:23] | EnderTheThird: | Another weird thing, if I press "M" to change filter, it shows all of my recordings under All Programs, it just won't show them in the UI when I select that or any other filter |
| [05:53:50] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [05:53:56] | oobe: | then that is the problem |
| [05:54:24] | EnderTheThird: | Go on. :) |
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| [05:56:03] | EnderTheThird: | oobe: Were you saying that to me? |
| [05:56:17] | oobe: | go to setup / utils / playback settings / page 5 |
| [05:56:24] | oobe: | sorry had to look at it |
| [05:57:04] | oobe: | change the Default group filter |
| [05:57:33] | EnderTheThird: | It's on All Programs now |
| [05:57:41] | oobe: | should work then |
| [05:57:48] | oobe: | what was it before |
| [05:58:01] | EnderTheThird: | It was already on All Programs. |
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| [05:58:19] | EnderTheThird: | If I change the filter group in Watch Recordings, it still doesn't show me the recordings. |
| [05:59:19] | oobe: | hmm that's what i thought the problem was but seems like it is somthing else |
| [05:59:20] | EnderTheThird: | Tried Default as the Default Group filter too --> no dice. |
| [05:59:59] | EnderTheThird: | Gonna check mythtv-setup for anything funky. Maybe I password-protected it or something by accident. |
| [06:00:15] | oobe: | try checking remember last filter then press the M key and set it to all programs |
| [06:00:24] | oobe: | then when you go back it it may remember |
| [06:00:50] | EnderTheThird: | It's set to remember |
| [06:01:05] | EnderTheThird: | still nothing |
| [06:02:35] | oobe: | ok well on mine i have no password all programs as filter and all 3 unchecked except for show filter name instead of all programs |
| [06:03:12] | oobe: | if this isnt the issue then it is possibly misconfigured storage groups |
| [06:03:30] | oobe: | but i dont see how the recordings could exist if that were the case |
| [06:03:42] | EnderTheThird: | I removed a tuner earlier today, but I don't see what that could have changed. I removed it in mythtv-setup |
| [06:03:51] | EnderTheThird: | Yeah, it's very weird. |
| [06:04:05] | oobe: | did you re add the tuner? |
| [06:04:08] | EnderTheThird: | Unless maybe myth doesn't have access to the recordings folder (which I would think would prevent recording there too though?) |
| [06:04:28] | EnderTheThird: | I removed 2 tuners, added one of them back (forgot which was which so that was easier). |
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| [06:06:00] | oobe: | actually thats the best way to do it anyway |
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| [06:06:15] | oobe: | you cant delete one tuner you *have to delete both |
| [06:06:37] | EnderTheThird: | I had 2 tuners (an HDHR) that I never deleted/re-added while doing that |
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| [06:07:04] | EnderTheThird: | I could delete all tuners and re-add them, though I don't see HTF that would help, lol |
| [06:07:08] | oobe: | maybe its changed in 22 then |
| [06:07:21] | oobe: | no i dont either |
| [06:07:33] | EnderTheThird: | I only removed my 2 PCI tuners and re-added the one I still had in. |
| [06:08:03] | jya: | what exactly is Hulu that keeps popping up ? their site doesn't let me stream the videos from outside the US |
| [06:08:09] | EnderTheThird: | Oh, and this happens regardless of which FE I use (the FE/BE server, or my desktop FE) |
| [06:08:43] | EnderTheThird: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulu |
| [06:09:44] | oobe: | what recoring groups do you have |
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| [06:10:59] | EnderTheThird: | Groups or Profiles? |
| [06:12:18] | EnderTheThird: | The Groups (like from the Group Filter in Watch Recordings) include Crime, Crime Drama, Sitcom, etc. |
| [06:13:05] | oobe: | groups |
| [06:13:16] | oobe: | try setting it to somthing else |
| [06:13:50] | EnderTheThird: | Tried all of them. Nothing. |
| [06:14:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | does it just display "all programs" and that's it? |
| [06:15:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | EnderTheThird, ?? |
| [06:16:11] | EnderTheThird: | It says "No Recordings Present..." Doesn't indicate the group in watch recordings (at least for this theme --> Graphite). |
| [06:16:11] | EnderTheThird: | Tried some other themes just in case. Same thing. |
| [06:16:32] | EnderTheThird: | Captain_Murdoch: If you mean when I go to Change Group Filter, no. It shows all the groups for my recorded shows. Even has the count for the # of recordings. They just won't show up. |
| [06:16:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | make sure you have some items selected in the view menu. 'M', 'Change Group View', then select 'Titles' |
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| [06:16:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds like you unchecked Titles. |
| [06:16:57] | EnderTheThird: | Nope, it's checked. |
| [06:17:05] | EnderTheThird: | Tried checking all of them too, but still nothing. |
| [06:17:45] | OmniCitadel: | Ok well I know this is not quite the place but every time Hulu desktop comes to a commercial break (in full screen, have not tested window mode) it freezes I have to exit out of hulu desktop and then relaunch and then the commercial plays just fine... (even if I jump to full screen before the commercial starts) any ideas |
| [06:19:49] | EnderTheThird: | And I'm using only a single storage group for recordings, so it's not getting confused with where they're stored or anything. |
| [06:19:59] | EnderTheThird: | I'm stumped. I don't even know what to check, lol |
| [06:21:29] | EnderTheThird: | Get this when running mythbackend from a terminal and accessing from my desktop FE: "ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '8110_20091026175219.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found" |
| [06:22:29] | EnderTheThird: | I checked the recordings SG. Deleting a SG from mythtv-setup won't delete any files/folders from that folder, will it? |
| [06:22:36] | EnderTheThird: | I can remove it and re-add it |
| [06:23:11] | oobe: | sounds like the frontend thinks the file is on a remote host |
| [06:24:02] | oobe: | check ~/.mythtv/config.xml and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [06:24:16] | oobe: | and see if you have localhost or your hostname or ip |
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| [06:24:40] | EnderTheThird: | But I get the same result whether I'm on my desktop FE accessing my server BE, or if I'm on my server accessing the BE locally |
| [06:25:33] | oobe: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml should have the ip of the backend or hostname |
| [06:25:47] | oobe: | if it doesnt then that is most likely the culprit |
| [06:25:54] | EnderTheThird: | It has proper backend IP |
| [06:26:22] | EnderTheThird: | .mythtv/mysql.txt and .mythtv/config.xml |
| [06:26:24] | oobe: | did you setup a slave backend |
| [06:26:40] | EnderTheThird: | Nope. |
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| [06:30:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you're getting that GetPlaybackURL error, it means the backend can't find that file. are you sure it is in one of the directories in your storage group? run the backend with "-v file" and it will show you all the directories that it searches for the file in. |
| [06:32:05] | EnderTheThird: | Ahhh: "Checking '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' for '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/8110_20091026175324.mpg" |
| [06:32:46] | EnderTheThird: | Hmm, it does that for all of them though, prepending the directory and whatnot |
| [06:33:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, probably should update that message a bit to make it more clear. |
| [06:33:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | so did it list the directory the file was in or did it not find it? |
| [06:35:02] | EnderTheThird: | http://pastebin.ca/1644763 |
| [06:35:23] | EnderTheThird: | Line 57 has me confused, saying it's "Local" |
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| [06:36:03] | EnderTheThird: | But it gets the space total/used/free right, so it must be finding it on my BE and not looking for it on my desktop FE |
| [06:36:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's part of the storage group scheduling code. it assumes the filesystem/directory is local unless it matches certain criteria (ie, fstype = nfs, cifs, etc.) |
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| [06:37:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | so is the file actually in one of those directories it checked or where is the file? |
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| [06:38:17] | EnderTheThird: | The file's it's failing to find aren't in my recordings folder |
| [06:38:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | was that a livetv file? it tried to search the LiveTV Storage Group first and that didn't exist so it fell back to searching Default. |
| [06:38:21] | EnderTheThird: | *files |
| [06:38:33] | EnderTheThird: | It probably was, looking at the timestamp |
| [06:38:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | did you have a LiveTV storage group before? |
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| [06:39:27] | EnderTheThird: | I only have a Default SG in mythtv-setup, not one for LiveTV. Don't think I had one set up before this happened either. Should I? |
| [06:40:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, it will always fall back to Default if you don't have a LiveTV. |
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| [06:40:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | some people like to put LiveTV on local storage while Default is on NFS or put LiveTV on a small drive with the recordings on separate larger drives. |
| [06:40:54] | EnderTheThird: | Got ya. Alright. |
| [06:40:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | you need to look int he logs and find out where those files were put when they recorded. it should have printed a message showing whre the file was going to be put. |
| [06:41:05] | ** Captain_Murdoch has to run or I'd help more. 2:41am here. ** | |
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| [06:41:20] | EnderTheThird: | Same time here. I should be studying for an anatomy exam but this thing is pissing me off, lol |
| [06:41:44] | EnderTheThird: | Thanks for trying though! |
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| [08:51:02] | OmniCitadel: | so I am still having issues with hulu desktop freezing at every commercial break |
| [08:51:54] | Dibblah: | So ask Hulu support? ;) |
| [08:52:30] | OmniCitadel: | I have tried all... additionally it appears to be happening at every "video transition" including different playlist changes... I dont now what is happening but it requires closing hulu and starting it back up, which it starts showing the commercial and then going back to the show it left off. |
| [08:52:48] | OmniCitadel: | Dibblah: I would assume this has been asked before |
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| [08:53:16] | OmniCitadel: | after all I am not comcast support but I know enough to redriect smpt to port 587 |
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| [08:57:41] | tjcarter: | fail: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/e . . . ble-fail.jpg |
| [08:59:23] | Dibblah: | Yeah. I had an interviewer ask about 10 years of Active Directory experience – In 2002. Windows 2000 was first available in 99. |
| [09:01:46] | tjcarter: | I recall a job desc asking for 10 years of Java experience. |
| [09:02:08] | tjcarter: | I read soon after that Java 1.1 was available |
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| [09:09:57] | justinh: | bum. frontend isn't waking up when I STR |
| [09:10:16] | justinh: | think I might need that BIOS update. grrr |
| [09:10:52] | mchou: | hah |
| [09:11:07] | mchou: | it just occorred to me |
| [09:11:13] | mchou: | occurred* |
| [09:11:19] | mchou: | OJ |
| [09:11:27] | mchou: | Oracle Java |
| [09:11:33] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:11:45] | mchou: | good for breakfast |
| [09:12:02] | mchou: | if the glove fits.... |
| [09:12:12] | Dibblah: | justinh: Odd... ISTR it working without it. But you just BIOS flash from a netbooted DOS image – Or a USB key, or whatever :) |
| [09:12:21] | tjcarter: | mchou: you must switch to OpenSolaris? |
| [09:12:38] | mchou: | tjcarter: you got it |
| [09:12:40] | justinh: | it suspends fine, just can't get it to wake :( |
| [09:12:52] | Dibblah: | Even with the power button? |
| [09:12:55] | justinh: | might have to do away with the power LED too, the flashing would annoy me |
| [09:13:01] | ** tjcarter laments the loss of ZFS as a replacement for FAT32 as an interchange FS ** | |
| [09:13:08] | Dibblah: | Check into the /proc/acpi/wake |
| [09:13:27] | justinh: | pressing the power button turns off the power when it's suspended. then it reboots |
| [09:13:32] | mchou: | tjcarter: apple cut the nose off to spite their face |
| [09:13:33] | tjcarter: | If Oracle GPL'd ZFS tomorrow, Linux people would turn up their noses at it |
| [09:13:43] | tjcarter: | Apple was stupid to drop it |
| [09:13:45] | Dibblah: | /proc/acpi/wakeup, even. |
| [09:14:18] | Dibblah: | justinh: In the BIOS, you probably have the power button setting in the BIOS set to instant off? |
| [09:14:32] | justinh: | changed it to 4 sec delay. same deal |
| [09:14:47] | Dibblah: | Err... Ah. Bollix. |
| [09:14:54] | Dibblah: | Are you using VGA out? |
| [09:14:55] | mchou: | anyways, are there any real projects using java these days? |
| [09:14:59] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:15:08] | Dibblah: | Anything connected to VGA out? |
| [09:15:13] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:15:33] | Dibblah: | Must be the same deal with composite out, then. |
| [09:15:56] | Dibblah: | That's the only bug I've found that's really annoying with these boards. |
| [09:16:03] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [09:16:27] | Dibblah: | Anything connected to VGA, it does exactly what you see :( |
| [09:16:34] | Dibblah: | Reboot on resume. |
| [09:16:51] | Dibblah: | Not a driver issue as such – Happens from raw linux. |
| [09:17:04] | Dibblah: | Sorry :( |
| [09:17:06] | justinh: | so anything on svideo, composite or VGA it reboots on resume? |
| [09:17:17] | justinh: | WTF point is that?! |
| [09:17:33] | Dibblah: | I don't know about svid, composite. I only know it happens on VGA. |
| [09:18:02] | justinh: | heheheh that's shite |
| [09:18:07] | Dibblah: | Try it. Swear a lot if it is the case. I know I did. |
| [09:18:18] | Dibblah: | If you use an external card, it works fine. |
| [09:18:19] | mchou: | tjcarter: you get your pace firewire working? |
| [09:18:24] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [09:18:32] | justinh: | intel strikes again |
| [09:18:34] | Dibblah: | I am guessing that the vbios is doing something very wrong. |
| [09:18:44] | tjcarter: | mchou: nope |
| [09:18:51] | justinh: | not to worry, I'll try to make the boot faster instead then |
| [09:18:58] | mchou: | tjcarter: you are failbus |
| [09:19:09] | tjcarter: | mchou: I haven't had time to work on it |
| [09:19:21] | mchou: | tjcarter: my statement stands |
| [09:19:28] | mchou: | tjcarter: FAILBUS |
| [09:19:30] | justinh: | think this'll be taking a flyer when I get HD then |
| [09:19:40] | Dibblah: | justinh: Unfortunately, the common BIOS editing tools from Phoenix do not recognise the BIOS. |
| [09:19:50] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [09:19:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: essentially, I have to track down all the tools, which exist no longer on their upstream site (now squatted) |
| [09:19:59] | Dibblah: | ... So there's no way to unpack / view the source code. |
| [09:20:08] | Dibblah: | Okay, there's no easy way. |
| [09:20:08] | justinh: | oh I'm not arsed about that |
| [09:20:23] | tjcarter: | mchou: I've got most of them now, but ... I haven't had time to mess with it in days =( |
| [09:20:37] | mchou: | tjcarter: that's bullshit man |
| [09:20:42] | justinh: | it got me out of the Epia hole & has been good in service so far :) |
| [09:20:49] | mchou: | libiec has test-mpeg2 |
| [09:21:07] | mchou: | tjcarter: I just looked |
| [09:21:10] | tjcarter: | mchou: Not on KnoppMyth |
| [09:21:24] | mchou: | wtf are you talking about? |
| [09:21:29] | tjcarter: | and um, the upstream site for libiec is squatted. |
| [09:21:38] | justinh: | hmm. might try karmic netbooting on this FE – could be less hassle than piddling around |
| [09:21:43] | ** Dibblah didn't realise that the mini2440 used 2mm pitch IDC connectors :( ** | |
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| [09:21:47] | mchou: | tjcarter: no, it's still on sourceforge |
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| [09:21:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: that's not the link on the wiki |
| [09:21:59] | tjcarter: | or in google |
| [09:22:14] | mchou: | tjcarter: dont be an ass |
| [09:22:17] | Dibblah: | justinh: Good luck. I only got it to work after hacking around upstart scripts. |
| [09:22:20] | tjcarter: | also, I have that and have run it, it didn't work |
| [09:22:25] | tjcarter: | I need all the OTHER tools |
| [09:22:51] | Dibblah: | (2.6.31 appears to not be able to mount NFSRoots RW) |
| [09:22:57] | mchou: | tjcarter: dont try to even change the subject |
| [09:23:00] | Dibblah: | Which really confuses upstart. |
| [09:23:02] | justinh: | oh FFS |
| [09:23:22] | mchou: | tjcarter: what other tools? |
| [09:23:30] | tjcarter: | mchou: I followed the wiki's instructions |
| [09:23:33] | justinh: | will linux ever be completely non-retarded? |
| [09:23:42] | tjcarter: | I don't know. |
| [09:23:49] | tjcarter: | That's why I haven't had time |
| [09:23:54] | tjcarter: | test-mpeg2 doesn't work. |
| [09:23:56] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [09:23:56] | justinh: | sod it then. to hell with updating |
| [09:24:02] | mchou: | tjcarter: which wiki you referring to? |
| [09:24:20] | Dibblah: | Netbooting is pretty much niche, though ;) |
| [09:24:25] | tjcarter: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire |
| [09:24:35] | justinh: | still, a kernel not being able to mount NFS rw.. WTF? |
| [09:24:49] | Dibblah: | And it's partially my fault – I haven't bothered submitting a bug report. |
| [09:24:50] | justinh: | or is it more a case of 'it's disabled for your own good' ? |
| [09:25:08] | Dibblah: | I think it's just a bug. Haven't looked too hard. |
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| [09:25:24] | tjcarter: | also, if I issue the recommended plugctl commands, my box starts "skipping" on HD channels |
| [09:25:41] | tjcarter: | solved by power cycle until command is reissued |
| [09:26:48] | mchou: | that wiki is full of crap |
| [09:27:02] | mchou: | you dont need plugctl to set it Active |
| [09:27:13] | mchou: | P2P, that is |
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| [09:27:28] | tjcarter: | Basically, I don't understand this stuff. I can follow the wiki's instructions, but they don't work. I don't know what I'm doing, and people usually tell me how stupid I must be for not being able to follow it.. |
| [09:27:36] | tjcarter: | So I haven't had time to figure it out on my own |
| [09:27:55] | mchou: | dude, it aint even this hard |
| [09:28:24] | mchou: | just hook a firewire camera to the firewire port |
| [09:28:34] | tjcarter: | well, test-mpeg2 records nothing and I don't know what to check even |
| [09:28:36] | mchou: | see if it captures. end of story |
| [09:29:19] | mchou: | or hook a mac to it |
| [09:29:40] | mchou: | no need to compile world |
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| [09:29:54] | tjcarter: | like can this box actually record off firewire? |
| [09:30:07] | tjcarter: | It used to record from a Scientific Atlanta box just fine. |
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| [09:30:32] | mchou: | tjcarter: that's what you're tring to find out |
| [09:30:53] | mchou: | tjcarter: and the interwebs said it's been done |
| [09:31:16] | mchou: | tjcarter: there shouldnt even be a freaking question |
| [09:31:24] | tjcarter: | so why does a FW camera matter at all? |
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| [09:31:34] | tjcarter: | the host records FW |
| [09:31:40] | tjcarter: | but not from these cable boxes. |
| [09:31:57] | mchou: | the host records firewire? |
| [09:32:07] | mchou: | how did you verify that? |
| [09:32:07] | tjcarter: | Off SA3250HDs, yes. |
| [09:32:13] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:32:17] | tjcarter: | I used to have them. |
| [09:32:27] | tjcarter: | worked great |
| [09:32:50] | tjcarter: | Moved, now have Comcast. Comcast gave me these things. They don't work, and I can't get a single error message out of anything I've tried. |
| [09:33:05] | tjcarter: | 6200ch changes channel, that's all I got. |
| [09:33:09] | mchou: | dude, how do we know you didnt upgrade something like the kernel or the firewire stack on that box since then? |
| [09:33:48] | tjcarter: | Because I'm using standard unmodified R6, and other people have R6 working with FW. |
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| [09:33:54] | mchou: | tjcarter: stop bitching and verify, dammit! |
| [09:34:21] | tjcarter: | you can tell me to do that all you want. I still don't KNOW HOW TO VERIFY A DAMNED THING |
| [09:34:34] | mchou: | I told you already |
| [09:34:41] | mchou: | hook a dv camera to it |
| [09:34:45] | tjcarter: | I don't have one. |
| [09:34:55] | mchou: | beg borrow or steal |
| [09:35:18] | tjcarter: | I live alone and don't know anybody who has one. |
| [09:35:41] | tjcarter: | are you saying it's impossible firewire is just turned off? Because I think it is. |
| [09:35:54] | mchou: | oh lord |
| [09:36:01] | tjcarter: | I'm getting the same results I did on channels not enabled on the SA3250 |
| [09:36:12] | mchou: | that's what the diagnostic screens are supposed to tell you |
| [09:36:12] | tjcarter: | 0 length mpeg2 files |
| [09:36:16] | mchou: | wtf |
| [09:36:19] | tjcarter: | what diagnostic screens? |
| [09:36:30] | mchou: | diag screen on the STB |
| [09:36:37] | mchou: | wtf man |
| [09:36:41] | tjcarter: | ...and I would get one how? |
| [09:36:57] | tjcarter: | Nobody's ever said anything about diagnostic screens |
| [09:37:31] | mchou: | tjcarter: dont be a tard |
| [09:37:36] | mchou: | I just did |
| [09:37:44] | mchou: | no fscking google |
| [09:37:49] | mchou: | now* |
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| [09:38:51] | tjcarter: | I am there |
| [09:38:59] | tjcarter: | present channel is encrypted according to this |
| [09:39:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:39:09] | mchou: | 5C |
| [09:39:21] | mchou: | turn it to PBS |
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| [09:39:42] | mchou: | that should never be 5C |
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| [09:39:58] | tjcarter: | Portland was supposed to have almost nothing 5C |
| [09:41:02] | tjcarter: | Encrypted. |
| [09:41:05] | shady` is now known as shady | |
| [09:41:10] | tjcarter: | Every single channel is 5C. |
| [09:41:10] | Dibblah: | Well, there goes your "essential services checked with google" plan ;) |
| [09:41:13] | mchou: | there's you answer |
| [09:41:21] | mchou: | your* |
| [09:41:21] | tjcarter: | I'll call the bastards. |
| [09:41:31] | mchou: | screw calling |
| [09:41:47] | mchou: | go down to the local office with fisticuffs :) |
| [09:41:49] | Dibblah: | The box just outputs nothing with a 5c channel? |
| [09:41:56] | Dibblah: | That's not very helpful... |
| [09:42:08] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: my SA3250HD did the same on all but 4 channels |
| [09:42:16] | tjcarter: | but that was a different provider |
| [09:42:38] | shady is now known as Shady | |
| [09:42:41] | mchou: | tjcarter: I'm not kidding about fisticuffs |
| [09:42:58] | mchou: | tjcarter: make sure you bring the relevant FCC code |
| [09:44:25] | tjcarter: | ah, no, I was off by one |
| [09:44:32] | tjcarter: | PBS is not encrypted |
| [09:44:40] | tjcarter: | it doesn't record though |
| [09:45:03] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:45:09] | mchou: | dood |
| [09:46:01] | mchou: | stop babbering |
| [09:46:07] | mchou: | blabbering* |
| [09:46:20] | mchou: | if it aint 5C it's goona record |
| [09:46:38] | Dibblah: | mchou: Where's the need to be so confrontational ;) |
| [09:46:39] | mchou: | we know firewire port is active cause you can change channels on it |
| [09:46:55] | tjcarter: | -rw-r--r-- 1 tjcarter tjcarter 0 2009-10–27 02:46 test.mpg |
| [09:47:13] | Dibblah: | tjcarter: Which firewire stack? |
| [09:47:20] | tjcarter: | how do I check? |
| [09:47:24] | Dibblah: | ISTR Myth not working with the newer one. |
| [09:47:29] | Dibblah: | Kernel version? |
| [09:47:43] | tjcarter: | 2.6.28-LinHES |
| [09:48:32] | Dibblah: | Hmm. No, maybe not. |
| [09:48:40] | Dibblah: | //www.mail-archive.com/atrpms-devel@atrpms.net/msg00307.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/atrpms-devel@atrp . . . sg00307.html |
| [09:48:49] | mchou: | Dibblah: cause tjcarter is being a lamer...."nobody told me about diag screens...," "it doesn't record though" |
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| [09:49:13] | Dibblah: | Where's the documentation he should be following? |
| [09:49:37] | Dibblah: | 0 byte files == it's not recording. |
| [09:50:00] | tjcarter: | LinHES R6 FW claimed to work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility |
| [09:50:22] | mchou: | Dibblah: where's the documentation? it's all there on google |
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| [09:50:51] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: The only documentation I've found is the Myth Wiki. Which is wrong. |
| [09:51:06] | Dibblah: | tjcarter: That's a shame. |
| [09:51:20] | tjcarter: | It generally is |
| [09:51:22] | Dibblah: | Someone really should make the wiki writable or something. |
| [09:51:30] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:52:00] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: well I can't write it because I don't know what to write. |
| [09:52:22] | Dibblah: | That, also is a shame :( |
| [09:52:39] | Dibblah: | I have no real experience to offer. |
| [09:52:55] | tjcarter: | I haven't had time to figure out what it is I didn't know for about a week now because, well, I have a life and need a job. |
| [09:53:02] | Dibblah: | The closest I have come to firewire is an external drive box. |
| [09:53:07] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [09:54:24] | tjcarter: | Still think the right solution is HDMI capture card or a way to use a CableCard. |
| [09:54:28] | mchou: | tjcarter: post a pic of the diagscreen |
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| [09:57:08] | tjcarter|2G: | http://is.gd/4E3sl |
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| [09:58:09] | mchou: | weird man |
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| [09:58:46] | mchou: | Is that PBS? |
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| [10:02:04] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [10:02:39] | tjcarter: | On an encrypted chan, the N/A's are different |
| [10:02:55] | tjcarter: | the channel number's there, for example |
| [10:02:56] | mchou: | where's the diag screen that gives status of firewire port? |
| [10:03:40] | tjcarter: | says it's enabled |
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| [10:04:51] | tjcarter|2G: | http://is.gd/4E449 |
| [10:06:01] | mchou: | haha |
| [10:06:06] | mchou: | linux ohci |
| [10:06:17] | mchou: | I told ya that box has open source |
| [10:06:43] | tjcarter: | you did |
| [10:06:45] | tjcarter|2G: | http://is.gd/4E4eZ |
| [10:06:54] | tjcarter: | QUITE a diagnostics menu too |
| [10:07:28] | mchou: | so this thing has a cablecard in it |
| [10:07:35] | tjcarter: | It does |
| [10:07:46] | ** tjcarter wonders if it can be rooted ;) ** | |
| [10:07:54] | mchou: | does it have an esata connector? |
| [10:08:00] | tjcarter: | Nope |
| [10:08:08] | mchou: | that's too bad |
| [10:08:09] | tjcarter: | and its USB and Ethernet connectors are disabled |
| [10:08:32] | tjcarter: | shame eh? ;) |
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| [10:08:53] | mchou: | anyway, I dont think there's anything wrong with the STB |
| [10:09:19] | mchou: | I'm 99.99% certain PBS is active on firewire port |
| [10:09:37] | mchou: | it's your mythbox that's screwed up |
| [10:10:31] | tjcarter|2G: | http://is.gd/4E4wg |
| [10:10:32] | tjcarter: | compared with another channel |
| [10:11:53] | tjcarter: | there's possibility that my test-mpeg2 is wrong API for my libiec? |
| [10:11:59] | mchou: | what's the channel affiliate on 711? |
| [10:11:59] | tjcarter: | it compiled |
| [10:12:26] | mchou: | compiling doesnt mean it works |
| [10:12:30] | tjcarter: | Trading Spaces is on, and the box says "HDT" |
| [10:12:49] | tjcarter: | oh this is interesting, here's 712: |
| [10:13:01] | mchou: | I have no idea what affliate that is |
| [10:13:16] | tjcarter|2G: | http://is.gd/4E4HJ |
| [10:13:32] | tjcarter: | 712 is a local channel |
| [10:13:40] | tjcarter: | and it's not 5C |
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| [10:13:59] | mchou: | right. that's correct behavior |
| [10:14:35] | tjcarter: | and now I go back to 710 (PBS) and it shows the number instead of N/A |
| [10:15:07] | mchou: | that probably a bug |
| [10:15:13] | mchou: | that's |
| [10:16:10] | mchou: | I'm sure the STB firewire is working |
| [10:16:22] | tjcarter: | It claims to be |
| [10:16:23] | mchou: | no need to read the riot act to youu cableco |
| [10:16:31] | mchou: | your* |
| [10:16:51] | tjcarter: | I need firewire_tester, that should also be in libiec's source |
| [10:17:02] | tjcarter: | or not? |
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| [10:17:05] | mchou: | you dont need firewire tester |
| [10:17:39] | mchou: | all you need is plugreport and testmpeg2 and 6200ch |
| [10:17:57] | mchou: | the first two are in libiec |
| [10:18:04] | tjcarter: | I have plugreport |
| [10:18:10] | mchou: | and we know 6200ch works |
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| [10:19:02] | tjcarter: | http://pastie.org/671389 |
| [10:19:35] | mchou: | yeah |
| [10:20:12] | mchou: | your libraw and libdv is bobably screwed |
| [10:20:18] | mchou: | probably* |
| [10:20:47] | tjcarter: | but reported to work for others |
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| [10:21:19] | mchou: | that's the real reason nobody else responded to you |
| [10:21:27] | mchou: | everyone else has it working |
| [10:22:01] | sid3windr: | is it out yet! |
| [10:22:47] | tjcarter: | well I can tell you right now, so much of this is encrypted that there's no point in fixing it |
| [10:23:03] | tjcarter: | every single channel appears encrypted except the networks I don't watch, and OPB |
| [10:23:20] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:23:29] | mchou: | what were you expecting? |
| [10:23:41] | tjcarter: | Portland was reported to be almost entirely UNencrypted. |
| [10:24:05] | mchou: | Portland is a big place |
| [10:24:26] | tjcarter: | Comcast is Comcast though |
| [10:24:28] | mchou: | it's probably not just one headend |
| [10:24:31] | mchou: | no |
| [10:24:39] | oobe: | ytrewq is qwerty backwards |
| [10:24:43] | mchou: | comcast is not comcast everywhere |
| [10:24:53] | tjcarter: | I suppose I could complain, but I doubt they'd fix it |
| [10:25:02] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:25:10] | tjcarter: | I have a PVR-500 though |
| [10:25:13] | mchou: | they "fixed" it all right |
| [10:25:20] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [10:25:21] | Dibblah: | You certainly could complain. |
| [10:25:30] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: They'd probably ignore it though |
| [10:25:30] | Dibblah: | If you don't value your time. |
| [10:25:45] | Dibblah: | ... Because they don't value your time. |
| [10:25:45] | mchou: | Dibblah: he has no cause for complaint |
| [10:25:49] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: I actually have a guy who would take the complaint seriously |
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| [10:26:13] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: He'd probably give me an account credit and offer me a CableCard if I bought a TiVo.. |
| [10:26:17] | tjcarter: | =p |
| [10:26:21] | mchou: | Dibblah: everything is working the way it's supposed to. the locals are NOT encrypted |
| [10:26:22] | tjcarter: | Just one problem with that |
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| [10:26:30] | tjcarter: | ...I'd have to use a TiVo ;) |
| [10:27:28] | tjcarter: | all right, I'm going to set up the PVR-500 then |
| [10:28:12] | mchou: | tjcarter: what's your zip code? |
| [10:28:16] | tjcarter: | Is that Hauppauge USB-mpeg4-component thingy reasonably stable yet? |
| [10:28:19] | tjcarter: | 97205 |
| [10:29:19] | mchou: | tjcarter: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1008357 |
| [10:29:48] | mchou: | tjcarter: the channels with pics are not encrypted |
| [10:30:29] | tjcarter: | wow |
| [10:30:35] | Dibblah: | That looks like some high quality programming, right there. |
| [10:30:35] | mchou: | poor guy |
| [10:30:37] | tjcarter: | I'm better off with that than I am with FW |
| [10:30:46] | Dibblah: | /sarcasm |
| [10:30:56] | mchou: | you shoulda done your homework |
| [10:31:19] | mchou: | like you get a total of 7 1080i channels :) |
| [10:31:53] | mchou: | umm, 5 |
| [10:31:57] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:32:11] | mchou: | that's a freaking DESERT |
| [10:32:43] | mchou: | rednecks in trailer parks getter better quality programming :) |
| [10:33:25] | mchou: | tjcarter: where you get your info that most protland was unencrypted? |
| [10:33:26] | tjcarter: | There's a lot more HD content on the box |
| [10:34:01] | mchou: | 720p is also HD...just didnt have time to count those :) |
| [10:34:03] | tjcarter: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility |
| [10:34:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:34:26] | mchou: | tjcarter: wth is wrong with you? |
| [10:34:34] | mchou: | you trust wikis??? |
| [10:35:29] | tjcarter: | Most of the HD content offered requires a CableCard |
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| [10:36:05] | mchou: | tjcarter: that info was from _2007_ |
| [10:36:10] | mchou: | wth man |
| [10:36:27] | mchou: | 5/19/07 Dave Comcast DCT3416 Portland, Or Some Some 5c encrypted HD Channels at the moment... oddly, PBS for one.. |
| [10:36:52] | mchou: | I dont see how you got "most" from that entry |
| [10:37:37] | tjcarter: | BTW, many of the channels listed there are encrypted here |
| [10:38:29] | mchou: | tjcarter: that islicondust site is clear QAM |
| [10:39:21] | tjcarter: | Isn't that what my cable box would see? |
| [10:39:25] | mchou: | firewire/stb may have more constraints |
| [10:39:29] | mchou: | no |
| [10:39:39] | mchou: | cause cablecard has more smarts |
| [10:39:47] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [10:39:59] | mchou: | lock you out of stuff that you arent subscribed to |
| [10:40:07] | tjcarter: | Ahha |
| [10:40:26] | tjcarter: | I might have to get myself a HDHR then |
| [10:40:49] | mchou: | dont bother |
| [10:41:07] | mchou: | even clear qam is probably going away soon |
| [10:41:32] | tjcarter: | hm |
| [10:41:42] | mchou: | you'll be able to get all 7 channels from QAM :) |
| [10:41:47] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [10:42:12] | tjcarter: | well I can change channels with 6200ch |
| [10:42:46] | tjcarter: | I could get one of those Hauppauge boxes for one of the tuners |
| [10:42:56] | mchou: | hah, that's fi=unny |
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| [10:43:09] | tjcarter: | does that not work yet? |
| [10:43:09] | mchou: | I used to live in your neighborhood |
| [10:43:19] | tjcarter: | Middle of downtown Portland? |
| [10:43:32] | mchou: | actually, farther west |
| [10:43:54] | tjcarter: | I live at SW 12th and Jefferson |
| [10:44:03] | tjcarter: | You don't get much more right downtown. |
| [10:44:27] | mchou: | you dont like near hopping NW 23rd? |
| [10:44:35] | mchou: | live* |
| [10:44:50] | tjcarter: | I could take a streetcar? ;) |
| [10:44:55] | mchou: | used to go to Papa Haydns each weekend with my g/f |
| [10:45:04] | tjcarter: | I live ON the streetcar line |
| [10:45:17] | mchou: | screw the streetcar |
| [10:45:26] | mchou: | streetcar is lame |
| [10:45:38] | mchou: | I bike faster than the streetcar |
| [10:45:43] | mchou: | in the rain |
| [10:45:54] | tjcarter: | Well, I don't drive, and it's hard to use a cane on a bike |
| [10:46:06] | mchou: | what? |
| [10:46:14] | mchou: | You blind? |
| [10:46:17] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [10:46:26] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:46:36] | mchou: | you've gotta be kidding me |
| [10:47:04] | tjcarter: | http://twitter.com/tjosephcarter |
| [10:47:06] | mchou: | how the hell you reading what I'm typing now? |
| [10:47:40] | tjcarter: | I'm sitting 6" from light-on-dark 1cm tall letters |
| [10:47:48] | tjcarter: | taller than that |
| [10:47:54] | Dibblah: | Blind doesn't mean what everyone thinks it does. |
| [10:48:00] | Dibblah: | It's not binary. |
| [10:48:03] | tjcarter: | if I were more tired than this, I'd turn on a screen reader |
| [10:48:11] | mchou: | Dibblah: no, I'm not a fool |
| [10:49:07] | mchou: | tjcarter: so seriously, how big is your TV? |
| [10:51:32] | tjcarter: | mchou: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236047 |
| [10:52:15] | mchou: | you serious??? |
| [10:52:19] | mchou: | that's it? |
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| [10:52:23] | tjcarter: | screen for one |
| [10:52:45] | tjcarter: | I sit right in front of it, it's on a desk |
| [10:52:47] | mchou: | I'm not blind and my TV is bigger than that :) |
| [10:53:04] | tjcarter: | Well, my TV sits on a desk next to my workstation |
| [10:53:11] | mchou: | and I STILL cant make out text |
| [10:53:16] | tjcarter: | I live downtown, I don't have an apartment, I have a shoebox |
| [10:53:30] | tjcarter: | I have to get pretty close to make out text |
| [10:53:38] | tjcarter: | why do you think I use Myth? I made it talk. |
| [10:53:51] | mchou: | what? |
| [10:53:59] | Dibblah: | And that'd be why you need firewire. |
| [10:54:04] | tjcarter: | it's a hell of a hack |
| [10:54:06] | mchou: | how do you make myth talk? |
| [10:54:16] | Dibblah: | Or some form of direct stream output. |
| [10:54:24] | tjcarter: | mchou: I made it speak menu items, etc |
| [10:54:44] | mchou: | tjcarter: using what tools? |
| [10:54:52] | tjcarter: | gcc ;) |
| [10:55:03] | tjcarter: | I have an oldskool serial speech synthesizer |
| [10:55:13] | tjcarter: | An old DECtalk |
| [10:55:47] | mchou: | I dunno dude |
| [10:55:53] | tjcarter: | it's very incomplete |
| [10:56:02] | mchou: | pvr150 would be terrible for text |
| [10:56:09] | tjcarter: | it is. |
| [10:56:31] | mchou: | although svideo on pvr150 isnt too bad |
| [10:56:34] | tjcarter: | I can't really read most subtitled programs |
| [10:56:45] | mchou: | the tuner on pvr150 is unusable |
| [10:56:57] | tjcarter: | The tuner on my pvr500 is def unusable |
| [10:57:24] | mchou: | yup |
| [10:57:39] | tjcarter: | both are snowy without an amp |
| [10:57:57] | tjcarter: | WITH an amp, tuner 1 is overdriven, and 2 is snowy still (WHAT!?) |
| [10:58:14] | tjcarter: | They're supposed to get the same signal, right? |
| [10:58:19] | mchou: | that's cause of the internal splitter |
| [10:58:32] | tjcarter: | It's not a very good splitter. |
| [10:58:48] | mchou: | hauppauge makes some bad junk |
| [10:59:47] | tjcarter: | The S-Vid isn't bad at all |
| [11:00:00] | mchou: | tjcarter: so you work at intel, nie, or OHSU :) |
| [11:00:04] | mchou: | nike* |
| [11:00:13] | tjcarter: | Presently unemployed |
| [11:00:20] | mchou: | doh! |
| [11:00:22] | tjcarter: | Looking at the VA |
| [11:00:53] | mchou: | tjcarter: you used to be with one of those organizations though :) |
| [11:01:09] | tjcarter: | I used to be discriminated against by WOU. |
| [11:01:14] | mchou: | cause portland west side is a 3 company town :) |
| [11:01:22] | mchou: | WOU? |
| [11:01:28] | tjcarter: | Just moved here 3 weeks ago |
| [11:01:54] | mchou: | what's WOU? |
| [11:02:01] | tjcarter: | Western Oregon University |
| [11:02:09] | tjcarter: | studied to be a Special Education teacher. |
| [11:02:20] | mchou: | and? |
| [11:03:29] | tjcarter: | They sent out an email to all the school districts about how they had to postpone the (trumped up) disciplinary action that would be one step from expulsion because they had to refer the matter to the Oregon University System's legal team. |
| [11:03:53] | tjcarter: | My employment prospects as a teacher are nil. |
| [11:04:04] | mchou: | what? in reference to you specifically? |
| [11:04:10] | tjcarter: | yes. |
| [11:04:53] | mchou: | what did accuse you of? |
| [11:05:02] | mchou: | what did WOU accuse you of? |
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| [11:06:21] | tjcarter: | cheating, breaking the chain of command, endangering children, being mentally unstable, revealing confidential information, and being incompitent because of blindness. |
| [11:06:32] | mchou: | oh jeez |
| [11:06:52] | mchou: | they threw the kitchen sink at you |
| [11:06:55] | tjcarter: | yup |
| [11:07:06] | Dibblah: | But apart from that, they thought you were a good teacher? |
| [11:07:14] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:07:58] | tjcarter: | The confidential information I revealed was that I was left alone ON MY SECOND AND THIRD DAYS OF OBSERVATION with kids whose names I didn't know, against TSPC regulations. |
| [11:08:16] | tjcarter: | I didn't use names |
| [11:08:20] | tjcarter: | I didn't know names ;) |
| [11:08:29] | Dibblah: | Oh, right. It's a protection thing. |
| [11:08:33] | tjcarter: | So how could I have revealed confidential information? |
| [11:08:48] | Dibblah: | ie an established person did something wrong, you get the blame. |
| [11:09:11] | tjcarter: | The established person was asked to do something wrong. |
| [11:09:24] | tjcarter: | By the university faculty |
| [11:09:46] | tjcarter: | Proof? I have an email where they discuss doing the same with another teacher in another school and district. |
| [11:09:50] | mchou: | so seriously, you get a lawyer? |
| [11:10:05] | mchou: | tjcarter: cause it sound like an easy win |
| [11:10:10] | mchou: | sounds* |
| [11:10:10] | Dibblah: | It's not. |
| [11:10:14] | tjcarter: | that wouldn't fix it. It'd get me paid, but it wouldn't get the problem fixed for the next guy. |
| [11:10:34] | Dibblah: | Easy wins only exist in the case where you have more money than whoever you're suing. |
| [11:10:53] | mchou: | Dibblah: not necessarily |
| [11:11:15] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: They've lost three Office for Civil Rights complaints in 18 months and settled a lawsuit for discrimination for $300k with another guy. |
| [11:11:27] | mchou: | The uni could try to drag this out but all tjcarter has to do is go public |
| [11:11:41] | tjcarter: | Oh absolutely. |
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| [11:11:59] | tjcarter: | But I've got my second OCR complaint filed |
| [11:12:08] | tjcarter: | that'll do more to fix the university than a lawsuit would |
| [11:12:11] | mchou: | 2nd? |
| [11:12:15] | tjcarter: | I want it fixed, not a payout |
| [11:12:20] | mchou: | what was the first? |
| [11:12:36] | tjcarter: | Yeah, they settled OCR complaint #1 and promised to stop and fix what they'd done. |
| [11:12:57] | mchou: | tjcarter: lol. that's how you got on their shit list :) |
| [11:13:00] | tjcarter: | I've got solid proof they retaliated instead, which itself is a complaint. |
| [11:13:11] | tjcarter: | Oh I was on the shit list before the first complaint |
| [11:13:28] | tjcarter: | the first complaint was over all of that. |
| [11:13:37] | mchou: | tjcarter: man, I feel for ya |
| [11:14:12] | mchou: | tjcarter: I bust outta dodge cause the whole state gave me the heebeejeebees |
| [11:14:39] | tjcarter: | As California goes, so goes Oregon |
| [11:14:42] | mchou: | tjcarter: Oregon is a frigging third world countrty inside the US |
| [11:15:03] | mchou: | country* |
| [11:15:39] | mchou: | roads in mexico are in better shape |
| [11:15:43] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [11:15:51] | tjcarter: | truth |
| [11:15:55] | mchou: | I'm not kidding about that |
| [11:16:25] | mchou: | and then they had no sales tax |
| [11:16:31] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:16:37] | tjcarter: | and ridiculous property taxes |
| [11:16:42] | mchou: | yup |
| [11:17:40] | mchou: | I mean I dont understand how you can stand to stay there |
| [11:18:00] | mchou: | especially now since your career has been dreailed |
| [11:18:07] | mchou: | derailed* |
| [11:18:09] | tjcarter: | Katie |
| [11:18:14] | tjcarter: | she is here. |
| [11:18:20] | mchou: | yeah well |
| [11:18:32] | tjcarter: | I'm going into a new career =) |
| [11:18:41] | tjcarter: | Law. =D |
| [11:18:52] | mchou: | tjcarter: yes, I figured that much |
| [11:20:06] | mchou: | Portland State doesnt have a law school :) |
| [11:20:34] | tjcarter: | LC does |
| [11:22:13] | tjcarter: | And um, I'm done with OUS. |
| [11:22:19] | mchou: | So you're first year? |
| [11:22:19] | tjcarter: | LC's a private university |
| [11:22:36] | tjcarter: | not even that yet, I'll start next year. |
| [11:23:03] | mchou: | alright man |
| [11:24:10] | mchou: | make sure to stop at Papa Haydn's |
| [11:24:22] | mchou: | great desserts there |
| [11:24:33] | tjcarter: | =D |
| [11:24:48] | tjcarter: | Ideally though, I would love to get away from the coasts |
| [11:24:59] | mchou: | screw that |
| [11:25:08] | mchou: | coasts are where it's at |
| [11:25:18] | mchou: | Even Chicago has coast |
| [11:25:31] | tjcarter: | if by it you mean the crazy people |
| [11:25:38] | mchou: | no |
| [11:26:08] | mchou: | crazy people in Oregon |
| [11:26:16] | mchou: | crazy people in WA |
| [11:26:18] | tjcarter: | Seen California lately? |
| [11:26:27] | mchou: | I'm in CA |
| [11:26:40] | mchou: | CA is san by any yardstick |
| [11:26:44] | mchou: | sane* |
| [11:27:14] | mchou: | Our roads are maintained |
| [11:27:22] | mchou: | near 10% sales tax |
| [11:27:30] | tjcarter: | They're paying teachers with IOUs, letting rapists out of prison, and you have Nancy Pelosi. |
| [11:27:53] | mchou: | so? |
| [11:28:10] | tjcarter: | You don't see any of that as a problem? =D |
| [11:28:28] | mchou: | no, that's hyperbole |
| [11:28:39] | mchou: | rapists outta prison |
| [11:28:47] | tjcarter: | And your environmentalist governor flies a private jet to and from work at taxpayer expense. |
| [11:29:18] | mchou: | I didnty vote for the governator |
| [11:29:30] | mchou: | he also used to drive a hummer |
| [11:29:36] | tjcarter: | Al Gore should slap him silly. (But he'd have to slap himself) |
| [11:29:42] | mchou: | he's no environmentalist |
| [11:29:54] | tjcarter: | Neither's Al Gore if you ask me. |
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| [11:30:19] | tjcarter: | Ol' Al's a business man. A very successful one, too. |
| [11:30:43] | mchou: | man, you have a lopsided sense of sanity if you think republicans are a better alternative |
| [11:30:53] | tjcarter: | Nope, hate the GOP |
| [11:31:03] | tjcarter: | They're scumbags |
| [11:31:13] | mchou: | why dont you go on a deer hunt with Cheney |
| [11:31:23] | mchou: | in montana |
| [11:31:27] | tjcarter: | But that seems to be a pretty universal problem in Washington today |
| [11:31:29] | mchou: | no coast there |
| [11:31:45] | tjcarter: | Trust me, you have no idea how funny Montana is. |
| [11:32:02] | tjcarter: | And you wouldn't understand =D |
| [11:32:06] | mchou: | no, I'm just using that as an example |
| [11:32:08] | tjcarter: | Katie would. |
| [11:32:30] | tjcarter: | I'm thinking Washington seems like a good possibility |
| [11:32:53] | mchou: | I suggest you read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond |
| [11:33:43] | mchou: | tjcarter: he lays out in very plain terms if montana were an island they'd be Easter Island. |
| [11:33:56] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [11:34:18] | tjcarter: | If I could stand the sun there, I'd move to Denver |
| [11:35:01] | mchou: | seriously, you wanna get away from crazies move to canada |
| [11:35:47] | tjcarter: | It's crossed my mind |
| [11:36:41] | tjcarter: | You know that two-dimensional political spectrum thing? |
| [11:36:57] | mchou: | yeah? |
| [11:37:08] | mchou: | the four squares bs |
| [11:37:20] | tjcarter: | (liberal/conservative, populist/libertarian) thing |
| [11:38:15] | tjcarter: | I score right on the Y axis, with slight leanings toward libertarianism based on my distrust and disdain of political parties |
| [11:38:27] | mchou: | screw that |
| [11:38:45] | mchou: | libertarianism is a cop out |
| [11:38:54] | tjcarter: | I didn't say I was a libertarian |
| [11:39:03] | mchou: | I know you didnt |
| [11:39:16] | tjcarter: | I score slightly that direction because I think democrats and republicans are scum |
| [11:39:37] | mchou: | then come up with a better alternative |
| [11:40:11] | tjcarter: | I have: I am registered not affiliated with a party, and I'm voting for individuals, not parties. |
| [11:41:11] | mchou: | that's fine as long as the individual you vote for have clout |
| [11:41:38] | mchou: | in practice it hardly ever works out that way |
| [11:41:57] | tjcarter: | I think it's going to start working that way |
| [11:42:11] | tjcarter: | Lot of people are leaving both parties right now |
| [11:42:17] | mchou: | even in parliamentary systems you have to build coalitions |
| [11:42:24] | tjcarter: | true |
| [11:43:25] | mchou: | and there's no way I'd trust raging rethugs to build coalitions that's not some version of the Taliban |
| [11:44:03] | tjcarter: | GOP cannot gain power |
| [11:44:13] | tjcarter: | but Dems can't keep it |
| [11:44:35] | mchou: | Dems dont have to keep it |
| [11:45:09] | tjcarter: | I think if Dems lose the Senate, that should do nicely. |
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| [11:45:26] | mchou: | it's clear you look at history since after WWII |
| [11:45:36] | tjcarter: | Nope |
| [11:46:00] | tjcarter: | Mostly I've been looking at history prior to 1812 lately |
| [11:46:14] | mchou: | democrats have improved the contry. republicans have the dragged the country in the wrong direction every time |
| [11:46:27] | mchou: | country* |
| [11:46:39] | tjcarter: | The best thing for this country since WWII has been gridlock |
| [11:47:00] | mchou: | what gridlock? |
| [11:47:09] | mchou: | you're citing civil rights |
| [11:47:23] | tjcarter: | House D, Senate R, President D = Nothing moves unless both parties agree. |
| [11:47:29] | tjcarter: | That worked |
| [11:47:52] | tjcarter: | I don't think that's going to happen this time. |
| [11:47:53] | mchou: | that mostly came from Democratic party |
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| [11:48:50] | tjcarter: | I think the senate is going to be D/R split, with a significant number of I. |
| [11:49:01] | tjcarter: | House is gonna stay D |
| [11:49:34] | mchou: | yeah, I as in lieberman |
| [11:49:43] | tjcarter: | I'd vote for him. |
| [11:49:48] | mchou: | hell no |
| [11:50:26] | tjcarter: | That's the great thing about this country, you don't have to vote the way I do. =) |
| [11:50:40] | mchou: | damn right |
| [11:51:51] | mchou: | teh only good the republican adminstrations ever did was freeing the slaves |
| [11:52:03] | tjcarter: | If Powell dumps the GOP and establishes the right opinions on some things he's not offered opinions, I would consider voting for him. |
| [11:52:19] | tjcarter: | He seems to be opposed to the GOP on ... most everything at this point. |
| [11:52:32] | tjcarter: | I don't know why he's still got an R affiliation |
| [11:52:37] | mchou: | Powell lost credibility since he became a Bush patsy |
| [11:52:49] | mchou: | he's damaged goods |
| [11:53:04] | tjcarter: | He quit because he wasn't gonna be a Bush patsy |
| [11:53:16] | mchou: | there was a time where I might have voted for him but we've gotten beyond that now |
| [11:53:56] | mchou: | tjcarter: no, his speech re Iraq and nukes at the UN made him a patsy |
| [11:54:10] | mchou: | that was before he quit |
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| [11:54:24] | tjcarter: | He was probably ordered to give it |
| [11:54:32] | mchou: | screw that |
| [11:54:42] | mchou: | he should have left before then |
| [11:54:58] | tjcarter: | If he knew otherwise, he should've |
| [11:55:31] | mchou: | considering he was ayt My lai he should know better than to follow unlawful orders |
| [11:55:40] | mchou: | at* |
| [11:56:38] | tjcarter: | Personally, Tom DeLay should've gotten the Obama appointment even in spite of his legal problems because you're not going to find someone clean with the right experience |
| [11:57:04] | tjcarter: | But they decided he was damaged goods and got someone else |
| [11:57:14] | tjcarter: | How'd that work out for 'em? |
| [11:57:27] | mchou: | Tom Delay?? |
| [11:57:35] | mchou: | are you kidding me?? |
| [11:57:42] | tjcarter: | He was Obama's first pick |
| [11:57:54] | mchou: | right |
| [11:58:10] | tjcarter: | He was the right guy for what Obama wanted to do |
| [11:58:42] | tjcarter: | And it's not like Obama hasn't named not-so-clean people to other positions... DeLay was the first though. |
| [11:58:44] | mchou: | right guy?? Tom Delay is a Birther |
| [11:59:02] | tjcarter: | And Obama's safe-schools guy is a NAMBLA poster boy. |
| [11:59:33] | tjcarter: | In terms of stupid associations, I'd rather have the Birther |
| [12:00:10] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:00:54] | tjcarter: | I'm pretty sure the birthers are harmless |
| [12:00:57] | mchou: | you'd choose a certified crazy over someone who professed to be gay? |
| [12:01:11] | tjcarter: | Over someone affiliated with NAMBLA, yes. |
| [12:01:15] | tjcarter: | I don't care that he's gay |
| [12:01:29] | mchou: | think about this |
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| [12:01:34] | tjcarter: | I do care that he's got connections with Pedophiles-R-Us |
| [12:01:54] | mchou: | why did the republicans get voted out of the Senate? |
| [12:02:05] | tjcarter: | They were corrupt mofos |
| [12:02:20] | mchou: | in Bush's 2nd term? |
| [12:02:36] | mchou: | corrupt in exactly which ways? |
| [12:03:17] | tjcarter: | #1, they didn't stop the war spending. |
| [12:03:31] | mchou: | nono |
| [12:03:32] | tjcarter: | That was enough to fry 'em |
| [12:03:40] | mchou: | at a more basic level than that |
| [12:03:45] | tjcarter: | Iraq was a joke, nobody believed that. |
| [12:03:47] | mchou: | Mark Foley |
| [12:04:02] | tjcarter: | Not in 2006 at least |
| [12:04:09] | mchou: | then the shoe tapping |
| [12:04:31] | tjcarter: | haha I remember that shit |
| [12:04:36] | tjcarter: | Ridiculous. |
| [12:05:15] | mchou: | lemme clue you in |
| [12:05:36] | mchou: | more republicans get caught doing gay pedophelia |
| [12:06:02] | mchou: | democrats just have affairs with members of the opposite sex a la Clinton |
| [12:06:18] | mchou: | look it up ! |
| [12:06:43] | tjcarter: | um, Foley wasn't involved in pedophilia |
| [12:06:52] | tjcarter: | he was doing an intern. Just a male intern |
| [12:07:13] | mchou: | it was a congressional page |
| [12:07:24] | ** chainsawbike thinks if he started following politics he would immediately move to a deserted island in the middle of the ocean just to aviod it ** | |
| [12:07:44] | mchou: | tjcarter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley |
| [12:07:59] | mchou: | tjcarter: second paragraph |
| [12:08:38] | mchou: | correction: congressional pageS |
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| [12:09:29] | tjcarter: | ah, teens, you need to be specific. People use that to refer to 18/19 year old |
| [12:09:39] | mchou: | so? |
| [12:09:51] | mchou: | that's the age of consent? |
| [12:10:17] | tjcarter: | If they're over the age of consent, he's a scumbag, but not a pedophile. |
| [12:10:27] | mchou: | nono |
| [12:10:33] | mchou: | you dont get it |
| [12:10:53] | mchou: | how old were they when the started getting those suggestive messages? |
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| [12:11:25] | tjcarter: | If they were under the age of consent, he should be in prison. |
| [12:11:40] | mchou: | hah |
| [12:12:30] | mchou: | Florida, where the fix was in |
| [12:12:36] | tjcarter: | And anyone who supported him despite evidence of what he was doing (some did, I recall) SHOULD have been voted out. |
| [12:12:42] | tjcarter: | If he wasn't, he SHOULD be. |
| [12:13:05] | mchou: | "More pages came forward, alleging a history of inappropriate conduct by Foley dating back at least 10 years. Foley had been warned about the matter in 2005 by another House Republican and the House Clerk. Through his lawyer, Foley insisted he was not a pedophile and asserted that he had not "had contact" with a minor. This implied that though he did not sexually assault any male interns, he did not explicitly deny sending them solicitous and sexu |
| [12:13:05] | mchou: | text-messages; thus sidestepping the question of whether he should have apologized (in public or in private) to the interns who had complained about him." |
| [12:13:58] | tjcarter: | Those people who kept it quiet are worse than Foley IMO |
| [12:14:11] | tjcarter: | if they KNEW and kept it quiet... |
| [12:15:19] | tjcarter: | That's the thing, the party is corrupt. Dems are corrupt too. |
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| [12:16:15] | tjcarter: | Look no further than Murtha for an example on the left. |
| [12:17:46] | tjcarter: | This is why I hate them both |
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| [12:26:15] | mchou: | tjcarter: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html |
| [12:26:32] | mchou: | "ABC News now has obtained 52 separate instant message exchanges, which former pages say were sent by Foley, using the screen name Maf54, to two different boys who began their exchanges with Foley at the age of 16 and 17, and continued through the age of 18." |
| [12:27:05] | tjcarter: | Most places the age of consent is 16, I don't know about Florida |
| [12:27:13] | tjcarter: | even so, the man makes my skin crawl |
| [12:27:47] | mchou: | tjcarter: Florida is 18 |
| [12:27:56] | tjcarter: | Then he should go to jail. |
| [12:28:06] | mchou: | So why didnt he? |
| [12:28:24] | tjcarter: | He's a politician/scumbag (same difference) |
| [12:28:33] | mchou: | nono |
| [12:28:47] | tjcarter: | Someone protected him. |
| [12:29:19] | joe2371: | The interfering invisible hand of the NAMBLA lobby. |
| [12:29:30] | mchou: | cause the State of Florida decide not to prosecute him, citing "lack of evidence" |
| [12:29:58] | tjcarter: | sure there was. |
| [12:30:09] | tjcarter: | And I'm the easter bunny. |
| [12:30:33] | mchou: | "Florida Law (Section 800.04, Florida Statues) regarding lewd and lascivious behavior carries a mandatory sentence. This law has turned many teenage boys into sexual offender. If there is physical contact....not sexual intercourse (battery)...between a girl under 16 and a boy 16 or over, The girl or her parents can charge the male and have him arrested. Consent is not considered, just the ages of the participants." |
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| [12:31:54] | tjcarter: | That seems not to apply here. The pages were 16. |
| [12:32:18] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:32:33] | mchou: | it doesnt apply because it mentions opposite sex |
| [12:32:54] | mchou: | Mark Foley crafted that law |
| [12:33:07] | tjcarter: | that's not the law, that's an interpretation |
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| [12:33:33] | tjcarter: | http://www.flsenate.gov/STATUTES/index.cfm?Ap . . . 00/Sec04.HTM |
| [12:34:02] | tjcarter: | (a) "Sexual activity" means the oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another or the anal or vaginal penetration of another by any other object; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose. |
| [12:34:56] | mchou: | tjcarter: my point was mark Foley crafted that law |
| [12:35:10] | mchou: | leaving age loopholes |
| [12:35:47] | mchou: | fox guarding the henhouse |
| [12:35:53] | tjcarter: | read the law |
| [12:36:01] | mchou: | or in this case roosterhouse :) |
| [12:36:18] | mchou: | I did |
| [12:36:27] | mchou: | I just read it |
| [12:36:27] | tjcarter: | this seems to define age of consent at 16 |
| [12:36:51] | mchou: | no it doesnt |
| [12:37:02] | mchou: | "800.04 Lewd or lascivious offenses committed upon or in the presence of persons less than 16 years of age.-- " |
| [12:37:32] | mchou: | that law is distinctly different from age of consent |
| [12:38:28] | tjcarter: | It criminalizes sexual activity for those under the age of 16 |
| [12:39:02] | mchou: | "794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.--" |
| [12:39:10] | mchou: | that's age of consent |
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| [12:39:36] | tjcarter: | http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm . . . 94/SEC05.HTM |
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| [12:40:40] | mchou: | so what's the age of consent according to that law? |
| [12:41:05] | tjcarter: | 18 for a person over the age of 24. |
| [12:41:20] | mchou: | exactly |
| [12:41:28] | mchou: | Foley was over 24 |
| [12:41:33] | tjcarter: | 16 for a person under that age, except as provided by 800.04 |
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| [12:41:43] | mchou: | stating texting when pages were 16 |
| [12:41:48] | mchou: | started* |
| [12:41:52] | tjcarter: | Then he should go to jail. |
| [12:42:06] | tjcarter: | And whoever protected him deserves the same. |
| [12:42:10] | mchou: | tjcarter: not according to 800.04 |
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| [12:42:43] | tjcarter: | actually, not under 794.05 either |
| [12:42:49] | mchou: | tjcarter: that's what I meant about the fox guarding the roosterhouse |
| [12:42:50] | tjcarter: | emails aren't sex. |
| [12:43:09] | tjcarter: | however, sexual harassment laws would apply |
| [12:43:20] | mchou: | correct |
| [12:43:53] | tjcarter: | 110.1221 Sexual harassment policy; executive agency rules.--It is the policy of the state that sexual harassment is a form of discrimination. The department shall adopt uniform sexual harassment rules applicable to all executive agencies. The rules must define the term "sexual harassment" in a manner consistent with the federal definition. |
| [12:44:11] | tjcarter: | That's not helpful. |
| [12:44:13] | mchou: | that's civil, not criminal |
| [12:44:33] | tjcarter: | Right. |
| [12:44:43] | tjcarter: | And I hope those pages sue the feck out of him. |
| [12:44:59] | mchou: | nope |
| [12:45:20] | mchou: | what's the statute of limitations? |
| [12:45:20] | tjcarter: | we wouldn't necessarily know if they have. |
| [12:45:41] | mchou: | on civil cases |
| [12:46:13] | tjcarter: | For emails alone, probably not long enough |
| [12:46:24] | mchou: | exactly |
| [12:46:45] | mchou: | Foley knew what he was doing |
| [12:47:22] | tjcarter: | Well, we can always hope he wakes up in a bathtub full of ice one day with a message telling him to call 911 |
| [12:47:41] | mchou: | who'd want his kidney |
| [12:47:47] | mchou: | he's ghey |
| [12:47:51] | mchou: | aids :) |
| [12:47:52] | tjcarter: | who said the item removed would be his kidney? |
| [12:48:45] | tjcarter: | I'd suggest removal and flushing. |
| [12:48:57] | mchou: | bobbitsized |
| [12:49:07] | tjcarter: | if he wants it back, he can go looking in the sewer where he belongs. |
| [12:50:46] | mchou: | anyway, get the hell out of Oregon |
| [12:51:01] | mchou: | those Mega Churches are creepy |
| [12:51:19] | mchou: | they span fully city blocks |
| [12:51:25] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [12:51:38] | mchou: | I'm not joking about that |
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| [12:51:50] | tjcarter: | My church is actually pretty small |
| [12:52:33] | mchou: | mega churches to me are an indicator of a very sick society |
| [12:52:49] | tjcarter: | That Osteen guy scares me |
| [12:53:04] | mchou: | I have now idea who he is |
| [12:53:08] | mchou: | no* |
| [12:53:16] | mchou: | and I dont want to know |
| [12:53:28] | tjcarter: | I think he's based out of Colorado |
| [12:53:49] | tjcarter: | You think Oregon's churches are big? |
| [12:53:54] | mchou: | suffice it to say if you see "There will be Blodd" that pretty much tells the whole story :) |
| [12:54:32] | tjcarter: | oh, Texas |
| [12:54:33] | mchou: | Blood* |
| [12:54:50] | tjcarter: | televangelist |
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| [12:55:54] | mchou: | lemme put is this way. Around Portland it felt like there were two churses per capita |
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| [12:56:02] | mchou: | churches* |
| [12:56:09] | tjcarter: | I lived in Monmouth |
| [12:56:15] | tjcarter: | there were 8 churches in Monmouth |
| [12:56:19] | tjcarter: | NO grocery store |
| [12:56:20] | Echelon-away: | so small churches are OK, but big churches you say are bad? |
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| [12:56:45] | tjcarter: | There's a church of scientology across the street from me lol |
| [12:58:44] | mchou: | scientiology is miniscule compared to those mega-churches around Portland |
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| [12:59:39] | tjcarter: | Mine isn't bad, and it's very old. |
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| [13:24:12] | gbee: | tjcarter: the building, or the religion (which isn't at all old) |
| [13:26:57] | tjcarter: | gbee: the building's older than the city |
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| [13:30:50] | Memphisau: | why must experimental software be soo flaky |
| [13:31:19] | Memphisau: | ubuntu karmic is at release candidate stage, but my mythtv setup with it is soo flaky since upgrading |
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| [14:13:50] | gbee: | because no-one files bugs |
| [14:13:58] | gbee: | Memphisau: ^^ |
| [14:14:22] | gbee: | it's rock solid for the devs and they can't fix issues they don't see |
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| [14:27:59] | j-rod: | damn. I'm definitely going to have to spend some time getting familiar with osx-packager.pl now |
| [14:28:34] | j-rod: | linux is teh suq |
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| [14:48:16] | gbee: | :p |
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| [15:06:17] | resno: | hello everyone! |
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| [15:07:03] | Memphisau: | greetings |
| [15:07:25] | resno: | how goes it? |
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| [15:13:39] | Dorgo: | hi all. so i just setup my first mythtv box. mythbuntu 9.10 mythtv 2.2 |
| [15:13:39] | Dorgo: | I added all the directories that have existing video files to the 'Videos' storage group on the backend and then scanned for changes in MythVideo but can't see any files. |
| [15:13:39] | Dorgo: | what am i doing wrong? |
| [15:13:53] | Dorgo: | mythtv 0.22 |
| [15:15:45] | Beirdo: | OK, bot upgrade time |
| [15:16:09] | Beirdo: | not much of an upgrade, but it's now in git... no more svn |
| [15:16:18] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo :) |
| [15:17:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [15:17:45] | CyberKnet: | And that concludes my patch (recited line by line to IRC) to fix every known bug and feature request in MythTV |
| [15:17:45] | CyberKnet: | Hope you got it logged. |
| [15:17:56] | CyberKnet: | :) |
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| [15:18:39] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [15:18:50] | CyberKnet: | how goes it G-man?/ |
| [15:18:50] | Beirdo: | forgot to rebuild after the git commit. |
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| [15:19:02] | Beirdo: | busy as heck :) |
| [15:19:03] | CyberKnet: | Is Puerto Rico agreeing with you? |
| [15:19:40] | Beirdo: | mostly. the refinery fire was not amusing though |
| [15:19:41] | CyberKnet: | I seldom see you active in here any more – though admittedly I was gone for a *long* time |
| [15:19:50] | Beirdo: | now our gas prices will go up for sure |
| [15:19:52] | CyberKnet: | (was at a job that didn't permit IRC at work) |
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| [15:20:02] | Beirdo: | so am I... currently |
| [15:20:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:20:04] | CyberKnet: | How is married life treating you? |
| [15:20:14] | Beirdo: | pretty well... mostly |
| [15:20:36] | Beirdo: | got only a few more months before I apply for naturalization :) |
| [15:20:37] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [15:20:45] | CyberKnet: | I never did apply |
| [15:21:03] | Beirdo: | I don't want to deal with perpetual green card renewals |
| [15:21:13] | CyberKnet: | They get quite expensive. |
| [15:21:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, they do. |
| [15:21:29] | CyberKnet: | I thought about it, but right now I don't want to let go of my Aus citizenship |
| [15:21:33] | Beirdo: | I'd rather plunk the $1000 or so for the citizenship |
| [15:21:37] | Beirdo: | you don't have to |
| [15:21:46] | Memphisau: | australia ftw |
| [15:21:50] | Beirdo: | unless Australia forces you to |
| [15:21:53] | CyberKnet: | You give an oath affirming that you will. |
| [15:21:54] | Beirdo: | Canada doesn't |
| [15:22:03] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [15:22:03] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: Sydney expat :) |
| [15:22:17] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: My oath is solemn, I couldn't give it in bad faith. |
| [15:22:21] | Beirdo: | actually, it doesn't say you need to drop citizenship |
| [15:22:27] | Memphisau: | Brisbanite here |
| [15:22:27] | CyberKnet: | It doesn't? |
| [15:22:31] | Beirdo: | it says you are to be loyal to the US |
| [15:22:34] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: Sorry ;) |
| [15:22:46] | wombo: | Can I be an expat to0? (Melb living in Perth) |
| [15:22:47] | Beirdo: | they WANT you to go the extra step, but it is NOT a requirement |
| [15:22:57] | Beirdo: | and Canada for one doesn't honor that oath |
| [15:23:06] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Hmmm... I strongly thought t hat USA didn't recognize dual citizenship |
| [15:23:18] | Beirdo: | if I want to drop my Canadian citizenship, I have to do so in person at a Canadian consulate |
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| [15:23:23] | Memphisau: | nah my mate is a dual citizen |
| [15:23:24] | Beirdo: | they most certainly do |
| [15:23:28] | Memphisau: | well a couple are |
| [15:23:33] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Australia requires me to pay a fee to drop my citizenship! |
| [15:23:34] | Beirdo: | they don't promote it, but they recognize it |
| [15:23:44] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:24:04] | CyberKnet: | I can't see why someone would pay a fee to no longer be a national of a foreign country |
| [15:24:07] | Beirdo: | half my cousins are gual citizen |
| [15:24:13] | Beirdo: | dual rather |
| [15:24:24] | Beirdo: | but they were born into it |
| [15:24:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | CyberKnet, I don't think the U.S. does honor it, but that doesn't matter much if Canada does. :) |
| [15:24:35] | Beirdo: | as will be any children we have |
| [15:25:08] | CyberKnet: | Australia honors dual citizenship, so if you are born t o australian parents in the USA, and then move back to Australia you can claim your australian citizenship and still retain USA citizenship |
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| [15:25:10] | Memphisau: | 1 guy got it because both his parents were americans who moved to australia (I think they did eventually get australian citizenship), the other guy's father was an american pilot who knocked up his mother in saudi arabia, anyway they won't let him apply for temporary work visa because he was entitled to citizenship, they basically forced him to become a citizen, so that he could work there if needed |
| [15:25:14] | Beirdo: | Captain_Murdoch: they do honor it, but they also say if you are a US citizen in the US, they don't care about your other citzenship, theirs trumps it |
| [15:25:26] | ** Captain_Murdoch is U.S-ian and /me's wife is Canadian living in the U.S. ** | |
| [15:25:40] | Beirdo: | so they kinda don't :) |
| [15:25:56] | Beirdo: | fun isn't it? |
| [15:26:10] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm planning to go through with it |
| [15:26:22] | CyberKnet: | http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html |
| [15:26:24] | CyberKnet: | interesting! |
| [15:26:26] | Memphisau: | the guy with the american dad doesn't need to drop his austrlaian citizenship though |
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| [15:26:32] | CyberKnet: | completely contrary to what i had read before |
| [15:26:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, time for passport renewals next year. |
| [15:26:36] | Beirdo: | and I'd love our kids to be born in Ireland so they get automatic EU citizenship :) |
| [15:26:49] | CyberKnet: | firmly states that the USA recognizes dual nationality, but does not encourage it |
| [15:26:58] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: aye :) |
| [15:27:10] | Beirdo: | they don't really want you doing it, but it's not illegal |
| [15:27:34] | Beirdo: | I'm past the draft age anyways, so there's no harm |
| [15:27:38] | Memphisau: | what are the benefits of being citizens in more than 1 country, besides being able to get multiple passports etc. |
| [15:27:42] | Beirdo: | hell even on aa green card they can drafy you |
| [15:27:47] | CyberKnet: | americans that apply for foreign citizenship with the "intent" of relinquishing their USA citizenship do lose their USA citizenship |
| [15:28:00] | CyberKnet: | past draft age. Thank Goodness. |
| [15:28:19] | Beirdo: | yeah. it's up to the original country to decide how to deal with it |
| [15:28:19] | Memphisau: | what's the deal with the draft over there anyway? |
| [15:28:21] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: voting |
| [15:28:40] | Beirdo: | not jsut voting... the hassle factor disappears |
| [15:28:44] | Memphisau: | hmm, unfortunately in australia it's mostly the idiots that vote |
| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | and paying $1k every 10 years or so to maintain residency sucks |
| [15:29:14] | tjcarter: | I never registered with selective service |
| [15:29:26] | tjcarter: | But I'm so 4F that I'm 5F. ;) |
| [15:29:40] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I thought it was only $0.5k ... |
| [15:29:53] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: but I've been wrong already once today, so ... :) |
| [15:29:54] | Memphisau: | so can they draft you into services in the US? because I was under the impression they couldn't.. |
| [15:30:34] | tjcarter: | Memphisau: you are required to register with selective service, which if a draft were instituted would have you listed as available to be drafted. |
| [15:30:34] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: You can get drafted here in the USA under a certain age – I think it takes an act of congress though |
| [15:30:39] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: $750 last time |
| [15:30:50] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: youch. I guess it went up since I paid it in 2001 |
| [15:30:58] | Beirdo: | and it increases every time |
| [15:31:40] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Because they raise the prices, or by design depending on number of renewals? |
| [15:31:43] | Beirdo: | but I'm past "selective service" age, so they won't be drafting my fat ass |
| [15:31:47] | Memphisau: | that's interesting, so basically, 'we reserve the right to draft you' but don't as a general rule |
| [15:31:50] | Beirdo: | not sure there |
| [15:31:53] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: aye |
| [15:32:03] | tjcarter: | I'm blind, so I didn't bother to register =D |
| [15:32:07] | CyberKnet: | selective service age is like 26 ... right? |
| [15:32:45] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [15:32:52] | Memphisau: | don't think I'd wanna serve in the armed forces |
| [15:33:07] | Memphisau: | but I have done my civic duty this year atleast |
| [15:33:15] | Beirdo: | I'm working for a defense contractor anyways |
| [15:33:27] | Beirdo: | although not on a defense project |
| [15:33:34] | Memphisau: | got put on a jury for an 8 week trial (only lasted 4 weeks however) |
| [15:33:43] | Beirdo: | we'd be the last people who they'd pull in |
| [15:35:04] | tjcarter: | Memphisau: Did the case get dismissed or did they just plow through it more quickly than expected? |
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| [15:35:20] | Memphisau: | case was dismissed |
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| [15:36:07] | Memphisau: | there's a link here: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23 . . . 3102,00.html if you're interested |
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| [15:38:08] | Memphisau: | suffice it to say, I now know way too much about hospital charts |
| [15:38:30] | Beirdo: | BTW: the new home of the bot: |
| [15:38:45] | Beirdo: | http://github.com/Beirdo/beirdobot |
| [15:38:59] | Beirdo: | code-wise... and I'm using assembla.com for tickets |
| [15:39:04] | CyberKnet: | how is HavokMUD going? |
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| [15:39:28] | tjcarter: | mchou: Democratic scumbags have voted to give ACORN regulatory authority over financial institutions. Despite all of the evidence of massive illegal behavior all over the country. Your pet party is as slimy as the GOP, and that's proof. |
| [15:39:33] | Beirdo: | on holed :) |
| [15:39:37] | Beirdo: | hold rather |
| [15:39:48] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Why so? |
| [15:39:50] | Beirdo: | I'm rewriting it threaded, from scratch |
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| [15:40:06] | Beirdo: | but have far too many other things on the go (paid!) so it keeps getting pushed off |
| [15:40:23] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Aaaah. Weren't you previously based on another MUD's code? |
| [15:40:31] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [15:40:49] | Beirdo: | I want to rid ourselves of their crap code completely so we can be completely GPL |
| [15:40:56] | CyberKnet: | A venerable goal |
| [15:41:06] | CyberKnet: | What license was their code under? |
| [15:41:07] | Beirdo: | and use plugins |
| [15:41:10] | Beirdo: | and maybe even scripting |
| [15:41:13] | Beirdo: | Diku |
| [15:41:24] | Beirdo: | i.e. no commercial use at all, ever |
| [15:41:32] | CyberKnet: | See... I just couldn't use code with a license that sounded like dick-you |
| [15:41:43] | CyberKnet: | It just says going in that you're going to get hosed ;) |
| [15:42:07] | Beirdo: | it's from a Danish university that originally wrote the mud... 20 or so years ago |
| [15:42:43] | CyberKnet: | Yep. At least GPL doesn't preclude commercial use. |
| [15:43:07] | CyberKnet: | It might make it difficult with a traditional softare business model, but not impossible. |
| [15:43:21] | Beirdo: | exactly. |
| [15:43:31] | Beirdo: | but you can charge people to play on your GPL mud |
| [15:43:34] | Beirdo: | if you want |
| [15:43:41] | CyberKnet: | Indeed. |
| [15:43:42] | Beirdo: | or accept donations |
| [15:43:52] | CyberKnet: | You can't do that with Diku licensed code, huh? |
| [15:43:55] | Beirdo: | both of which aren't kosher under Diku |
| [15:44:23] | Beirdo: | anyways, havokmud will be on github soon too |
| [15:44:39] | Beirdo: | I like git. :) |
| [15:44:55] | CyberKnet: | Never used git |
| [15:45:12] | Beirdo: | it's decentralized which is a big change from svn |
| [15:45:53] | CyberKnet: | that's what I hear |
| [15:45:58] | Beirdo: | written originally by Linus Torvalds for use for the Linux kernel |
| [15:46:00] | CyberKnet: | we use svn here at work |
| [15:46:11] | Beirdo: | so do we, and it's suitable for work |
| [15:46:12] | jams: | the only thing I dont' like is it works on the entire repo as one object vs file by file |
| [15:46:26] | Beirdo: | as there you WANT to have centralized version control |
| [15:46:42] | Beirdo: | jams: yeah, that's kinda annoying at times, I agree |
| [15:47:14] | Beirdo: | but forking a project... way easier with git :) |
| [15:47:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:47:29] | jams: | no doubt |
| [15:47:33] | Beirdo: | which one fool is paying me to do |
| [15:47:48] | Beirdo: | the original is in svn, my fork is in git |
| [15:47:52] | jams: | it's not a major thing, but like you said it's annoying at times |
| [15:47:58] | Beirdo: | and I merge in their changes all the time |
| [15:48:49] | Beirdo: | a pointless project, but hell, I'm getting paid to rename a project, essentially |
| [15:49:06] | Beirdo: | a fool and his money are soon parted |
| [15:50:01] | CyberKnet: | Is the source project PearPC |
| [15:50:01] | CyberKnet: | ? |
| [15:50:03] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [15:50:20] | CyberKnet: | Or maybe the destination project is RebelEFI ... :) |
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| [15:50:50] | Beirdo: | nah, it's a Firefox extension |
| [15:51:07] | CyberKnet: | people do crazy things. |
| [15:51:12] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [15:51:13] | CyberKnet: | so ... day off today? |
| [15:51:36] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [15:51:41] | Beirdo: | on a conference call |
| [15:51:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:51:59] | CyberKnet: | employer doesn't allow IRC at work, yet here you are on IRC... |
| [15:52:05] | Beirdo: | using WebShell to use the linode |
| [15:52:19] | CyberKnet: | well of course. They didn't say *anything* about WebShell! |
| [15:52:22] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [15:52:41] | Beirdo: | shhh |
| [15:52:48] | Beirdo: | it's https :) |
| [15:52:54] | CyberKnet: | no, it's spelled ssh, not shhh |
| [15:52:55] | CyberKnet: | :D |
| [15:53:12] | Beirdo: | yeah well |
| [15:53:33] | CyberKnet: | Still using that PAP2 you sold me. Going strong. |
| [15:54:12] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [15:54:16] | Beirdo: | CTCP VERSION reply from BeirdoBot: beirdobot — GIT Version v0.4-4-g94c5b9b |
| [15:54:20] | Beirdo: | muhahahha |
| [15:54:20] | CyberKnet: | Though I'd like it better if Vonage would give me the SIP creds so I could trunk FreeSwitch to the line directly ;D |
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| [15:54:50] | Beirdo: | no more SVN version number |
| [15:55:04] | Beirdo: | that says it is 4 commits past v0.4 |
| [15:55:13] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: More than one person works on BeirdoBot? |
| [15:55:16] | Beirdo: | and the final commit number |
| [15:55:32] | Beirdo: | well, xris worked on the web side |
| [15:55:42] | Beirdo: | a few years back now |
| [15:55:42] | CyberKnet: | aah |
| [15:56:12] | Beirdo: | I was thinking of putting Ruby scripting in. LUA is sucky :) |
| [15:57:02] | CyberKnet: | ruby scripting into beirdobot? |
| [15:57:21] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:57:29] | Beirdo: | it has a LUA scripting interface now |
| [15:57:40] | CyberKnet: | is it scratch code, or is it a fork of something? |
| [15:58:00] | Beirdo: | beirdobot? 100% mine |
| [15:58:18] | Beirdo: | the web interface is 100% xris' (based on old mythweb, I think) |
| [15:58:20] | CyberKnet: | So ... you prefer to script than code? |
| [15:58:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thehdroom.com/news/See_the_First_9 . . . _ABCs_V/5859 |
| [15:58:35] | iamlindoro: | (In case anyone feels like a 9 minute preview) |
| [15:58:46] | Beirdo: | no, but it makes for easier extendability so you don't need to recompile |
| [15:59:18] | CyberKnet: | plugins do that for you though, don't they? |
| [15:59:40] | Beirdo: | yes, but you'd need to compile them :) |
| [15:59:46] | Beirdo: | other users may not want to |
| [15:59:53] | CyberKnet: | other people use beirdobot? |
| [16:00:45] | Beirdo: | not to my knowledge... yet |
| [16:00:52] | Beirdo: | but I'm sure it could happen |
| [16:00:54] | CyberKnet: | optimist :) |
| [16:01:03] | CyberKnet: | well, at any rate, I was just curious |
| [16:01:10] | Beirdo: | someone here a few days ago was interested |
| [16:01:21] | Beirdo: | but my trac site is inaccessible to the world |
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| [16:01:34] | Beirdo: | as my web server that redirects to it is pooched |
| [16:01:40] | Beirdo: | reboots every 6 minutes |
| [16:01:48] | CyberKnet: | Hey, it's your code. You're entitled to do whatever you like, and I'm not saying it's a bad idea :) |
| [16:02:02] | Beirdo: | giving options is a good thing :() |
| [16:02:14] | CyberKnet: | if it takes 5 minutes to reboot, then that's really bad. :) |
| [16:02:21] | Memphisau: | quick question: which filesystem should I use, 160GB sata drive, running ubuntu 9.10 (mythbuntu-desktop shall be installed afterwards) should I use Ext4 or xfs? |
| [16:02:38] | Memphisau: | system is x86–64 running AMD64 version |
| [16:02:49] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: drive will be used for what purpose? OS, data store, ? |
| [16:03:29] | Memphisau: | mythtv backend/frontend in same machine |
| [16:03:50] | CyberKnet: | but what is going on the disk? |
| [16:03:59] | CyberKnet: | Just the OS, OS+Video, just video ... |
| [16:03:59] | Memphisau: | I ask, because the previous setup had occasional pauses in playback, and if possible I'd like to remove those (it was formatted ext3) |
| [16:04:07] | Memphisau: | OS + video |
| [16:04:12] | CyberKnet: | large files can take a long time to delete under ext4 iirc, XFS is much better choice for things that will have large files like video. |
| [16:04:12] | NetShadow: | Are you not doing a separate partition for the video files, just one big root with everything in it? |
| [16:04:34] | Memphisau: | well I could do a 30 + 130 scheme I suppose |
| [16:04:49] | NetShadow: | that would be best, ext3/4 for the OS, and XFS for the videos |
| [16:04:51] | wagnerrp: | under ext4? i thought 4 was supposed to fix that |
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| [16:05:06] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Oh, perhaps so then |
| [16:05:15] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I guess I didn't recall correctly then |
| [16:05:27] | Memphisau: | does /boot need to be a separate partition? |
| [16:05:29] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Was that an ext3-only problem? |
| [16:05:46] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: It doesn't have to be, but I usually do from force of habit. |
| [16:05:49] | NetShadow: | Memphisau: depends on the distro and version |
| [16:05:58] | Memphisau: | ubuntu 9.10 amd64 |
| [16:06:07] | Memphisau: | I wouldn't assume so anymore, sounds like a legacy thing |
| [16:06:16] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: it is certainly an ext3 problem... 4, i dont know |
| [16:06:17] | Memphisau: | I remember having to do that on prior linux OS's |
| [16:06:23] | NetShadow: | Yeah, anything newer shouldn't need it |
| [16:06:45] | Memphisau: | so yeah, 30GB Ext3, ~130GB XFS, ~2GB swap (rough partition sizes) |
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| [16:07:12] | NetShadow: | LOL, I'm STILL having to support RHAS2.1 boxes at work with the ol separate /boot |
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| [16:07:18] | Memphisau: | actually come to think of it, I do have a spare 250GB drive (actually 2, but 1 of them has bad sectors and will need to determine which :D) |
| [16:07:21] | NetShadow: | Memphisau: yah, sounds good |
| [16:07:38] | Memphisau: | might add that 250GB later though |
| [16:07:50] | CyberKnet: | I found an old PATA 160GB drive last night that was presumed dead, and when I tested it was in working condition |
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| [16:08:09] | CyberKnet: | soem files thought lost were able to be recovered. Hooray for being lazy and not throwing out "dead" drives. |
| [16:08:26] | Memphisau: | am I wierd for preferring text based installations (not to the extent of gentoo, but ubuntu alternate) |
| [16:08:33] | NetShadow: | LOL, i've got a stack of drives in a closet that I have no idea what's good bad or ugly |
| [16:08:56] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: *shrug*. I think you're weird for going Ubuntu over Mythbuntu – so I couldn't begin to comment on text installs. :) |
| [16:09:38] | NetShadow: | Memphisau: not weird, everyone has their preferences. I do 99% of my work in an ssh session |
| [16:10:13] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: But the real cake-taker for you being weird is staying in Brisbane when Sydney is just mere hours away and obviously so much better! |
| [16:10:16] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [16:10:50] | Memphisau: | should I put the whole /var directory on the XFS partition, or just /var/lib/mythtv? |
| [16:11:21] | NetShadow: | I'm not an ubuntu guy, but isn't mythbuntu just ubuntu with all the myth packages and deps installed? Kinda like fedora <--> mythdora? |
| [16:11:22] | CyberKnet: | I only put the recordings directory onto a separate partition |
| [16:11:34] | Memphisau: | CyberKnet: the reason I live in Brisbane is that I'm a poor uni student, living with the parents while studying |
| [16:11:40] | Memphisau: | can't really afford to live away from home |
| [16:11:41] | CyberKnet: | (I have two storage groups, so two different directories under /var/lib/mythtv) |
| [16:11:46] | wagnerrp: | Memphisau: well that goes with the assumption that you think terabytes of data should be kept in /var |
| [16:11:55] | CyberKnet: | Memphisau: Aaah. Your time will come. All good things end up in Sydney. |
| [16:12:03] | Memphisau: | lol, possibly |
| [16:12:16] | Memphisau: | I'm not sure, thinking of going bit more abroad |
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| [16:12:31] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: isn't it the ubuntu/mythbuntu way to store the video files there? |
| [16:12:33] | Memphisau: | I'm doing electrical engineering / IT double degree |
| [16:12:40] | CyberKnet: | I mean, I know we have choice and all.. |
| [16:12:44] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: yes it is |
| [16:12:55] | Memphisau: | so Electrical Engineering should be able to take me internationally at some point |
| [16:12:58] | Memphisau: | Canada looks nice |
| [16:13:02] | NetShadow: | Memphisau: I just make a /storage directory and mount my big ol XFS partition there and adjust myth to match |
| [16:13:30] | CyberKnet: | under fedora I had a /video mountpoint. Under Mythbuntu I decided to stay mainstream |
| [16:14:04] | Dibblah: | You did what everyone else does and called it /porn ? |
| [16:14:09] | CyberKnet: | under the idea that the less distance I put between my system and their default configuration, the less trouble I should have later. |
| [16:14:10] | NetShadow: | LOL |
| [16:14:19] | CyberKnet: | Dibblah: no comment. |
| [16:14:44] | CyberKnet: | (this channel *is* logged, and who knows how much my wife googles CyberKnet) |
| [16:14:45] | Memphisau: | Yeah I am of the same persuasion in this case, keep it simple (stupid?) |
| [16:15:07] | Memphisau: | so will google return results from this chatlog? |
| [16:15:16] | CyberKnet: | indeed. |
| [16:15:31] | CyberKnet: | search for viddypow – it's a this-chatroom-only term afaik |
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| [16:17:10] | Memphisau: | Did you mean: vidpow Top 2 results shown |
| [16:17:11] | Memphisau: | lol |
| [16:18:02] | Memphisau: | it's true: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [16:18:06] | Memphisau: | haha |
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| [16:18:14] | CyberKnet: | viddypow = VDPAU |
| [16:18:15] | Memphisau: | it feels like i'm on TV |
| [16:18:28] | Memphisau: | yeah I thought it may have been related to VDPAU |
| [16:18:43] | Dibblah: | You're being broadcast to the interwebs. Wooo. |
| [16:18:55] | Memphisau: | indeed, make the bot say something :P |
| [16:19:23] | Dibblah: | !seen common_sense |
| [16:19:23] | MythLogBot: | common_sense was last seen 35 days 3 hours 26 minutes 55 seconds ago |
| [16:19:37] | Dibblah: | Not that common, then, is it? |
| [16:19:39] | Memphisau: | hmm |
| [16:19:45] | CyberKnet: | !slap Memphisau internet-broadcast |
| [16:19:54] | ** CyberKnet wonders if he hosed that up ** | |
| [16:20:00] | CyberKnet: | !trout Memphisau internet-broadcast |
| [16:20:00] | ** MythLogBot slaps Memphisau with a internet-broadcast trout on behalf of CyberKnet... ** | |
| [16:20:00] | wagnerrp: | there is no slap, only trout |
| [16:20:10] | CyberKnet: | yeah, I hosed it up. oh well. |
| [16:20:32] | wagnerrp: | once you realize that, you will realize that you have only slapped yourself |
| [16:20:39] | CyberKnet: | Indeed. |
| [16:20:58] | Memphisau: | !trout CyberKnet |
| [16:20:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps CyberKnet with a trout on behalf of Memphisau... ** | |
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| [16:21:48] | Memphisau: | anyway, enough of this |
| [16:21:53] | CyberKnet: | indeed. |
| [16:22:42] | Memphisau: | when I'm watching livetv, where is that getting written to normally? /var/lib/mythtv? (running mythbuntu) |
| [16:22:50] | CyberKnet: | I think so. |
| [16:22:56] | CyberKnet: | You can look in your storage groups |
| [16:22:58] | CyberKnet: | and see for sure |
| [16:23:07] | Memphisau: | well can't anymore, just formatted :p |
| [16:23:19] | CyberKnet: | then I suppose it doesn't really matter, eh? :) |
| [16:23:23] | wagnerrp: | where ever your 'Default' group is, assuming you dont have a 'LiveTV' group |
| [16:23:37] | Memphisau: | not really, just making sure I'm targetting the problem well enough |
| [16:24:14] | Memphisau: | which was the previous setup sometimes paused for a few seconds with disk activity, causing an annoying break in playback of a few seconds and a "prebuffer pause" line in the log |
| [16:24:34] | Memphisau: | I think the problem mostly occurred when the disk was getting near full |
| [16:24:38] | CyberKnet: | Are you going to use that 250gb drive separately for video, or partition? |
| [16:24:51] | Memphisau: | I'll add it as a storage group later |
| [16:25:05] | Memphisau: | it's currently part of a raid array, which is going to be dissassembled shortly |
| [16:25:10] | Memphisau: | when I can get around to it |
| [16:25:39] | Memphisau: | 2 drives 250GB raid0, 1 started failing, so it was time to move that data somewhere else |
| [16:26:05] | CyberKnet: | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TBA7qgQfRQo/R4VDje2 . . . uitround.jpg |
| [16:26:22] | Memphisau: | fortunately 1TB drives are fairly cheap now, and so it's not that hard to get 400 odd GB of space available |
| [16:26:23] | wagnerrp: | my grandpa had one of those |
| [16:26:31] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was the most retarded joke i had ever heard |
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| [16:26:42] | Memphisau: | TUIT? |
| [16:26:44] | tjcarter: | Memphisau: $75 on Newegg |
| [16:26:52] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: No, that title belongs to: A man walked into a bar. Ouch. |
| [16:26:55] | Memphisau: | ~$100 at a local store here |
| [16:27:10] | CyberKnet: | can't newegg from Australia, can you Memphisau? |
| [16:27:20] | Memphisau: | little bit cheaper if I wanted samsung disks |
| [16:27:32] | Memphisau: | not sure about newegg, always been able to get what I want here |
| [16:27:34] | ** CyberKnet chooses WD's lately. ** | |
| [16:27:48] | tjcarter: | CyberKnet: Those green drives are useful |
| [16:27:57] | Memphisau: | yeah, bought 2 of them a few days back |
| [16:28:08] | tjcarter: | CyberKnet: and given the value of the USD, it might be cheaper to get it from the US ;) |
| [16:28:09] | CyberKnet: | tjcarter: You used them for video storage under mythtv? |
| [16:28:12] | Memphisau: | 2TB raid0 array ftw :D |
| [16:28:46] | tjcarter: | CyberKnet: I have. They're quiet. |
| [16:28:51] | CyberKnet: | raid 0 = jbod? |
| [16:28:58] | tjcarter: | stripe |
| [16:29:00] | Memphisau: | nah raid 0 = striping |
| [16:29:00] | CyberKnet: | tjcarter: no performance penalty? |
| [16:29:12] | CyberKnet: | stripe without parity? |
| [16:29:13] | tjcarter: | CyberKnet: Of course there is, it's a 5400 RPM drive. |
| [16:29:19] | Memphisau: | JBOD is just a concatenation of the drives into 1 long continuous drive |
| [16:29:32] | tjcarter: | CyberKnet: But it's fast enough to handle a couple simultaneous streams |
| [16:29:42] | Memphisau: | aren't the greenpower drives meant to use a variable spindle rate? |
| [16:30:08] | tjcarter: | It's basically 5400 RPM. |
| [16:30:09] | CyberKnet: | tjcarter: thinking about getting some of those next time instead of 7200 rpm drives I have traditionally gotten for video storage. |
| [16:30:12] | wagnerrp: | supposedly they just run a constant 5900rpm |
| [16:30:14] | tjcarter: | I think it does vary |
| [16:30:17] | wagnerrp: | same as the seagates |
| [16:30:47] | wagnerrp: | and using raid0 or jbod for mythtv is just foolish |
| [16:30:50] | tjcarter: | wagnerrp: seagates at 5900? |
| [16:30:50] | CyberKnet: | I could do without having to use my HDDs as a heat source to warm the room. |
| [16:30:52] | Memphisau: | hmm, well I got 2 of the 1TB drives and put them in a raid0 array |
| [16:30:53] | Memphisau: | fairly fast |
| [16:30:57] | tjcarter: | wagnerrp: what what what? |
| [16:31:06] | Memphisau: | pulls ~190MB/sec sustained reads |
| [16:31:14] | Memphisau: | maybe 200MB/sec |
| [16:31:17] | wagnerrp: | tjcarter: yes, seagate makes low power 5900rpm drives, similar to the greens |
| [16:31:19] | CyberKnet: | no reason to use raid0 or jbod when we have storage group that do the same without risking all your data at once |
| [16:31:37] | wagnerrp: | Memphisau: and what good does that do when youre using data streams at 2MB/sec? |
| [16:31:44] | Memphisau: | yeah, but I'm not using this for my mythtv needs |
| [16:31:58] | CyberKnet: | I can see if you want to go raid 5 and add a drive of redundancy – but even then you're risking all your TV if two drives go out. |
| [16:32:07] | Memphisau: | mythtv tends to get second or third generation old hardware from me |
| [16:32:08] | CyberKnet: | (I choose to take that risk, personally) |
| [16:32:11] | tjcarter: | I'm looking at building a RAID-z iscsi device |
| [16:32:28] | ** CyberKnet googles RAID-z ** | |
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| [16:32:36] | Memphisau: | yeah I'm not worred about the risk per se. all my TV shows will be available between my mates |
| [16:32:37] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: software raid of ZFS |
| [16:32:44] | Memphisau: | many of whom have more storage than I do |
| [16:32:53] | tjcarter: | which generally kicks the crap out of hardware RAID-5 |
| [16:33:23] | wagnerrp: | only because you generally put it on very manly hardware |
| [16:33:40] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the advantage of raidz over raid5 is a variable stripe size |
| [16:33:41] | tjcarter: | define manly hardware? |
| [16:33:45] | wagnerrp: | each file gets its own stripe |
| [16:33:50] | tjcarter: | so no write hole |
| [16:33:56] | Memphisau: | excess testosterone in the water cooling? |
| [16:33:58] | wagnerrp: | thats not the write hole |
| [16:34:21] | wagnerrp: | theres no performance loss from having to read-calculate_parity-write for every single file |
| [16:34:28] | tjcarter: | the variable stripe size allows for no write hole |
| [16:34:43] | wagnerrp: | the write hole is when you write to the array, and then crash before you have a chance to update the parity |
| [16:34:49] | Memphisau: | lol, burst rate from this array is 2020MB/sec, I think intel is fudging those figures a bit by caching in the driver |
| [16:34:52] | Memphisau: | or southbridge possibly |
| [16:34:53] | wagnerrp: | causing a consistent file system, but an inconsistent array |
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| [16:36:09] | ** CyberKnet thinks he will just go with storage groups of mirrored drives next time ** | |
| [16:38:12] | Memphisau: | well I hope all the hardware on this box works under x64... :S |
| [16:38:41] | Memphisau: | namely TV card, usb remote and optical audio might take a bit of muscle to get going |
| [16:39:26] | wagnerrp: | considering the source is available for all those things, 64-bit linux is generally no problem to manage |
| [16:39:33] | Memphisau: | yeah |
| [16:39:40] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to wait for someone else to compile the source for you |
| [16:40:02] | Memphisau: | I probably will though |
| [16:40:23] | Memphisau: | tried gentoo before, that was a bit much for me |
| [16:40:32] | Memphisau: | but I do run a kernel I compiled myself on my laptop running ubuntu |
| [16:40:53] | CyberKnet: | for the purpose of? |
| [16:41:16] | Memphisau: | getting the graphics card to work |
| [16:41:23] | CyberKnet: | good reason then :) |
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| [16:41:49] | Memphisau: | I have an asus laptop, which asus did the disfavour of providing a very dodgey layout of devices; memory wise |
| [16:42:28] | Memphisau: | basically I needed to patch in a thing that made sure that ubuntu left 512MB of continguous space in the address space, so that I can load my graphics card |
| [16:43:30] | Memphisau: | and no bios options for memory remap, windows doesn't seem to have an issue when it allocates the addresses, but ubuntu (and other distro's I tried) wouldn't allocate enough space for the graphics card, so conseuqently X wouldn't start properly and I'd always be dropped back to a shell |
| [16:43:50] | CyberKnet: | ick |
| [16:44:16] | Memphisau: | but it could have been avoided by a better BIOS from asus I am led to believe |
| [16:44:51] | Memphisau: | the model is an Asus G1Sn: core2 T9300, 3GB memory (2GB + 1GB), 320GB hdd, 512MB Geforce 9500M gs |
| [16:45:07] | Memphisau: | the other issue with this laptop is it will actually overheat in games |
| [16:45:26] | Memphisau: | causing the graphics driver to reset (this is in windows, don't have any games to test under linux) |
| [16:46:15] | wagnerrp: | thats terrible |
| [16:46:21] | wagnerrp: | remind me never to buy an asus laptop |
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| [16:46:32] | Memphisau: | yeah, should have gone with a dell |
| [16:46:51] | wagnerrp: | have you seen the hinges on those screens? |
| [16:46:52] | Memphisau: | but I can't complain based on features; many of the laptops and basically all of them around the price don't have bluray drives |
| [16:47:04] | Memphisau: | yeah big hinges on the studio laptops? |
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| [16:47:15] | wagnerrp: | the dell screens just flop all over the place, theyre terrible |
| [16:47:28] | wagnerrp: | no resistance on them what-so-ever |
| [16:47:40] | Memphisau: | my old Dell laptop, but didn't they change that on the Studio lines? |
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| [16:47:45] | Memphisau: | they have quite large hinges |
| [16:47:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean theyve got a good 30deg swing before they hit resistance |
| [16:48:31] | Memphisau: | damn |
| [16:49:00] | wagnerrp: | now this is people i went to college with who had them, they may have improved since then |
| [16:49:04] | Memphisau: | well I can't complain about the hinges on my laptop |
| [16:49:49] | wagnerrp: | but id like to a dell hold up as well as this thinktank |
| [16:49:57] | wagnerrp: | 9yrs old and i still carry it around daily |
| [16:50:23] | Memphisau: | yeah, dad used to have thinkpads |
| [16:50:52] | Memphisau: | went through a couple $10–12K machines |
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| [16:52:06] | Memphisau: | don't think I'm going out tomorrow somehow |
| [16:52:08] | Memphisau: | it's 3am now |
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| [16:54:23] | iamlindoro: | cbovy: The author of Jamu responded to your comment on the ticket on -dev (which presumably you are following since you are running pre-release software) |
| [16:55:37] | cbovy: | iamlindoro: I'll check. |
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| [16:56:24] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: I am also here if you want to discuss things. |
| [16:57:09] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-October/066486.html |
| [16:57:15] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: If you are Doug, I'll understand your answer. |
| [16:57:20] | cbovy: | :-) |
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| [16:59:10] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: First of all thanks for fixing Jamu. |
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| [17:01:25] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: Fixing an abort is the least I can do ;) |
| [17:01:37] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: It's just a small improvement, bu is it possible to do same regex while scanning for file matching title recorded show? Ie. I renamed recorded show in database from Face/Off to Face_Off and fanart is loaded correctly. |
| [17:02:49] | wagnerrp: | cbovy: see documentation |
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| [17:06:46] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: When you say "recorded show" I assume you are talking about a video you playback from the Watch Recordings screen. Other videos are played back through MythVideo. Which are you referring to? |
| [17:07:54] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: Watch Recordings screen. |
| [17:07:56] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: The SeriesID is only intended as a absolute-last-ditch option... I agree, the other naming options work better |
| [17:08:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, yeah, just wanted to point out that : and & are valid in filenames, although I hate them just like I hate spaces in filenames. :) |
| [17:08:54] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:09:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/[^a-zA-z0–9]/_/g might be good, but double _'s might confuse people. |
| [17:09:39] | Memphisau: | lol, who? |
| [17:09:59] | wagnerrp: | doesnt '/w' cover that? |
| [17:10:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | anytime anyone at work sends me a file to edit that has spaces in the filename, I rename the file with _'s when I send it back to them with my changes. :) |
| [17:10:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, just blowing out for readability |
| [17:11:14] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: After running Jamu -MW for the Program "Face/Off" you should have a graphic(s) that use the Programs <seriesid> in you graphics directories. |
| [17:12:25] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: This is because "Face/Off" is an illegal file name by itself. That is what was included in the Jamu fix. |
| [17:13:15] | cbovy: | RDV_LInux: I understand why / is not permitted in filenames. Let me summarize what is in my database and what files are created by Jamu |
| [17:13:21] | iamlindoro: | and if your listings provide no seriesID then Jamu can't help you (and it's not Jamu's fault) |
| [17:13:33] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: The file created: Face_Off_fanart.jpg |
| [17:13:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, on that email, I replied to yours so people following could see that they could use those if they read on. was a tossup between replying to him or you. :) |
| [17:13:47] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: no worries |
| [17:14:22] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: Let me do a test I will be back in a few. |
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| [17:14:59] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: In table recorded: title is Face/Off and seriesid is empty. Fanart load does look for Face/Off_fanart.jpg, but is not present. When I change title to Face_Off, fanart file does load and show perfectly. |
| [17:15:39] | iamlindoro: | cbovy: If your listings provider does not provide a SeriesID, then there is no way of fixing Jamu to help you |
| [17:15:59] | iamlindoro: | As the artwork *must* we named using either the program title or the seriesid |
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| [17:16:25] | cbovy: | iamlindoro: why do producers use / in title.... :-) |
| [17:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Since the number of programs that would both create invalid filenames AND on listings providers without SeriesID is miniscule, and because the artwork is a not-guaranteed luxury feature, this is non-fixable, non-critical, and not a bug :) |
| [17:17:05] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: See iamlindoro's comments. Jamu is working as designed. If you fool with the DB this much then put a fake seriesid |
| [17:18:32] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: Nevermind, there are not that many show which have an illegal filename character in title. Jamu correctly saves file, but frontend tries to load file with / in it. |
| [17:18:47] | iamlindoro: | tries to find, not tries to load |
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| [17:21:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, can't you just replace / with _ in your regex like you do with some other chars? |
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| [17:23:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, just the titleIn.replace() to replace space and / with the regex |
| [17:24:51] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: you saw the result of the no-autoexpire thread, right? |
| [17:25:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, glad it's not a bug |
| [17:25:31] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:25:38] | sphery: | thanks for all the time you spent on it |
| [17:25:49] | sphery: | I should have thought to ask him to repair his DB in the first place |
| [17:25:54] | ** Captain_Murdoch is tired of tracking things down for 0.22 and wants to get back to coding. ** | |
| [17:26:07] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:26:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'd have though that he would have had problems viewing the recordings list as well if it was DB issues. |
| [17:26:29] | sphery: | but sounds like you've made quite a bit of progress on #7381, so we're getting close |
| [17:26:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, hopefully RC2 tonight and release by sometime this weekend at the latest. |
| [17:27:00] | sphery: | yeah, I have a feeling he was so focused on one symptom that he wasn't looking at anything else |
| [17:27:06] | ** wagnerrp is tired of holding off a python rewrite while waiting for a new programinfo ** | |
| [17:27:19] | sphery: | I'd love to skip RC2 and just go to release |
| [17:27:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think we should have another just to be safe. if RC2 just gets retarred/renamed as gold that would be good. |
| [17:27:57] | sphery: | I think it's at the point where the remaining stuff (only big one I know of is the DVB default_authority stuff stuarta just mentioned) can wait. |
| [17:28:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | we've made some big patches to RC1 including the mythui changes I put in. |
| [17:28:27] | sphery: | and, especially if we do nightly or weekly tars |
| [17:28:44] | sphery: | true |
| [17:28:52] | sphery: | but I trust them/you :) |
| [17:29:13] | wagnerrp: | instead of having a release tar, have a weekly fixes tar? |
| [17:30:04] | sphery: | yeah, that's pretty much what I'd like to see |
| [17:30:24] | sphery: | too many users start with the broken 0.20 release tarball |
| [17:30:34] | sphery: | er, 0.21 release |
| [17:30:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | release tar will be there, but we've talked about regular -fixes tarballs as well. I like the idea of just building a -fixes tarball daily iff (if & only if) there are commits in that branch that day. |
| [17:30:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythtv-0.22-fixes-r22589.tar.bz2 |
| [17:31:16] | wagnerrp: | would be better for source distros like gentoo, which are currently pulling a zip off trac (which requires trac to generate the zip) |
| [17:31:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | or mythtv-0.22-fixes-20091105-r22589.tar.bz2 |
| [17:31:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | and mythtv-0.22-latest.tar.bz2 |
| [17:31:38] | wagnerrp: | i have to imaging thats not a small amount of the load currently on trac |
| [17:33:40] | sphery: | oh, heh, stuarta put the default authority stuff in |
| [17:33:47] | wagnerrp: | i actually wonder if its worse to pull the zip, or pull straight off svn |
| [17:35:20] | sphery: | each time I svn up, I rm -rf * && tar xf ../mythtv-trunk-...tar.bz2 && svn up && tar cf ../mythtv-trunk-...tar.bz2 and the bzip2'ing takes more time/CPU than any of the rest of the process. |
| [17:35:42] | sphery: | I'd guess trac uses gzip, though, which is more proc friendly, but I'd still bet it's quite a load |
| [17:36:09] | sphery: | I don't know, though, which is more important for Myth to conserve--OSUOSL's bandwidth or Myth's CPU |
| [17:37:34] | wagnerrp: | well there had to be some reason to switch to the compressed version |
| [17:37:43] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo ebuilds used to pull straight off svn |
| [17:41:14] | cbovy: | RDV_Linux: have to leave, thanks for fixing Jamu. |
| [17:41:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I thought it was because of issues with changes to binary files not working with their script. |
| [17:42:13] | RDV_Linux: | cbovy: np |
| [17:42:44] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine why, it literally called 'svn export' to pull the files down |
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| [18:00:59] | Memphisau: | grrr... apt-get annoys me sometimes, I go away for 15 mins and then find out it's been waiting literally the whole time for some input from me to continue |
| [18:01:35] | iamlindoro: | Clearly the fault of the program, then |
| [18:01:39] | Memphisau: | indeed |
| [18:01:46] | Memphisau: | it should preemptively know my answers |
| [18:02:02] | Memphisau: | ie. "don't you remember what I said last time?" |
| [18:02:11] | Memphisau: | of course it won't though, since I formatted that partition |
| [18:04:11] | brad2: | RDV: By any chance are you on Rogers cable? |
| [18:05:05] | wagnerrp: | signon would indicate yes |
| [18:05:24] | brad2: | ahh never thought to look at that :> |
| [18:05:40] | brad2: | RDV: You mentioned last time we talked that you force 720p from your cable box. How do you do that on a rogers box? |
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| [18:18:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro or some other dev, could i bother you for a quick fix? |
| [18:18:54] | wagnerrp: | i screwed up the locale specific float patch (period versus comma for floats) |
| [18:19:13] | wagnerrp: | line 968 in MythTV.py, the percent should be a comma |
| [18:21:14] | iamlindoro: | the second percent, presumably? |
| [18:21:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one outside the quotes |
| [18:21:24] | iamlindoro: | string += BACKEND_SEP + locale.format("%0.6f", self.stars) |
| [18:21:29] | iamlindoro: | look good? |
| [18:21:30] | wagnerrp: | thats it |
| [18:21:31] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [18:22:03] | wagnerrp: | it just feels wrong to open a ticket for one character |
| [18:22:05] | iamlindoro: | remind me after the release and I will backport |
| [18:22:12] | iamlindoro: | but committed to trunk |
| [18:22:17] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
| [18:22:27] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [18:27:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode refreshes the skiplist after a run, right? |
| [18:27:47] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [18:28:02] | wagnerrp: | i should copy that over instead of generating a new one... |
| [18:28:29] | iamlindoro: | well, to be more specific, it clears it |
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| [18:29:09] | wagnerrp: | well the keyframe index, whatever that is called |
| [18:29:19] | iamlindoro: | ah, the seektable? Yeah |
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| [18:32:08] | Memphisau: | hmm, best way to blank a hard drive |
| [18:32:16] | Memphisau: | got a couple of drives I'm taking back for warranty replacement |
| [18:32:25] | Dagmar: | dban |
| [18:32:38] | Dagmar: | i.e., "Darik's Boot And Nuke" |
| [18:32:44] | Dagmar: | You will not find better |
| [18:32:48] | Memphisau: | preferably something within ubuntu |
| [18:33:01] | Dagmar: | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/thatdevice |
| [18:33:11] | Memphisau: | it has a few bad sectors, so I don't want to spend ages retrying writes, just a once off over the contents will be enough |
| [18:33:14] | Dagmar: | ...which is basically what dban does, with a bit of fancy fancy being that it's a bootable image |
| [18:33:19] | Memphisau: | thanks Dagmar |
| [18:33:32] | Memphisau: | that's the sought of thing I was looking for |
| [18:33:47] | Memphisau: | :) |
| [18:34:00] | Dagmar: | Still, you should DL and burn a DBAN image or two while it's fresh in yer mind |
| [18:34:11] | Dagmar: | It's not like you have to update them more than once a decade |
| [18:34:29] | Dagmar: | For semi obvious reasons, the images are about a meg in size |
| [18:34:36] | Dagmar: | ...at most. |
| [18:35:04] | Dagmar: | For entertainment value I like to leave copies around malls with deceptive labeling. |
| [18:35:13] | Memphisau: | lol |
| [18:35:26] | sid3windr: | "windows 7 ultimate" ? |
| [18:35:46] | Dagmar: | "Bootable forensics toolkit" |
| [18:35:58] | sid3windr: | dan does a bit more than just zero the sectors afaik |
| [18:36:03] | Memphisau: | or make it something unobvious, something that may get left in the disc drive while they reboot, oh know.. what's this starting up |
| [18:36:06] | sid3windr: | some supposedly scientific approach to "really deleting" |
| [18:36:09] | Dagmar: | Yes, but that's all he needs at the moment |
| [18:36:19] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:36:25] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: I am *intimately* familiar with the issue |
| [18:36:34] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:36:35] | Memphisau: | I had to fix somoenes computer like that once, as I recall it wasn't starting windows, sure enough they'd left a burnt disc in the drive that had another OS |
| [18:36:39] | Memphisau: | they couldn't figure it out |
| [18:36:40] | Memphisau: | lol |
| [18:38:23] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: By the way, the bulk degausser we got in works great, but it's a little scary |
| [18:38:35] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [18:38:47] | Memphisau: | like a degaus gun kinda thing? |
| [18:39:27] | Dagmar: | It's about the size of a VCR |
| [18:40:02] | Dagmar: | ...and it'll shake your belt buckle like a well, a woman of negotiable affection who's pressed for time if you forget to carefully get rid of all yer metal stuff |
| [18:40:26] | Memphisau: | so fun? |
| [18:40:32] | Dagmar: | ...and it'll sure as hell erase disks and tapes in under a minute |
| [18:40:42] | Memphisau: | I would imagine it would be instant |
| [18:40:58] | Memphisau: | as it's the strength more so than the duration of a field that will cause the bits to flip on magnetic media |
| [18:41:04] | Dagmar: | It actually takes a pretty strong field |
| [18:41:17] | Memphisau: | it might take time to build up though, that would be why it takes time |
| [18:44:57] | Dagmar: | It's a matter of being thorough |
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| [18:45:28] | Dagmar: | Gaussian force follows that geometric dropoff thing, so something that's not right up against the platters like the heads are will require a LOT of it |
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| [18:49:17] | ope: | hi |
| [18:49:28] | ope: | from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recordedmarkup_table; how can I convert the marked framenumber into something, what projectx can understand (e.g. cutmode 0): from db I've got 0,8488,18463,37461, the hand made projectx cut/cutlist holds 115713436, 226910548 ??? |
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| [18:52:26] | Memphisau: | zero'ing that disk locked up my desktop hard |
| [18:52:34] | Memphisau: | put it those disk in a different box to try |
| [18:53:03] | Dagmar: | Doubt it actually locked up |
| [18:53:14] | Dagmar: | dd just doesn't give you any information about what it's doing |
| [18:53:23] | Memphisau: | nah, my desktop was running windows, with a virtual machine connected to the disk via esata |
| [18:53:27] | Memphisau: | the host OS locked up |
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| [18:53:38] | Memphisau: | and sound was looping |
| [18:53:51] | Dagmar: | You can also go download UltimateBootCD and then run the manufacturer's specific S.M.A.R.T. tests on teh drive, at least one of which will be a _destructive_ fitness tesrt |
| [18:54:11] | Memphisau: | nah it's fine, i'll just use one of my linux desktops |
| [18:55:16] | Memphisau: | btw, will dd try and redo anything that doesn't write? or will it just keep going |
| [18:55:32] | gizmobay: | In mythweb under recorded programs, when I click on the RSS icon it comes back and says I'm missing tmpl/rss/header.php |
| [18:56:07] | gizmobay: | In trunk, I browsed the source and didn't even see this directory |
| [18:56:20] | gizmobay: | Am I missing something? |
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| [18:57:32] | Memphisau: | seems to be doing ~100MB/sec writing per drive |
| [18:58:27] | Memphisau: | so will probably take ~2 hours :| |
| [19:00:44] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [19:00:58] | Memphisau: | yeah I'm aware of the smart self test that drives can be ordered to do |
| [19:01:09] | Beirdo: | OK, fixed |
| [19:01:20] | Memphisau: | hmm, sdc is now in the lead |
| [19:01:22] | Beirdo: | the version number was showing in a stupid way |
| [19:01:29] | Beirdo: | enough messing with the bot :) |
| [19:01:49] | ope: | anybody with projectx experience here? |
| [19:02:18] | Beirdo: | CTCP VERSION reply from BeirdoBot: beirdobot — v0.4-5-g435baac |
| [19:02:23] | Beirdo: | better :) |
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| [19:03:13] | resno: | :-/ |
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| [19:08:13] | Dagmar: | Memphisau: Actually, the tests are *not* what I'm talking about. |
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| [19:08:58] | Memphisau: | lol |
| [19:09:10] | Dagmar: | Memphisau: There's a crapload you can do at the ata command level that most people don't know about. Particularly, there's a "secure erasure" function in just about every drive made after 2002 or so. |
| [19:09:21] | Memphisau: | yeah I have heard of that |
| [19:09:25] | Memphisau: | used to work in a PC store |
| [19:09:34] | Dagmar: | Literally a one-shot command that makes the drive erase itself as well as the HPA and reserved block areas |
| [19:10:06] | Memphisau: | I dont think most OS'es expose that command to the user in any fashion though |
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| [19:10:18] | Dagmar: | It's not something they should do. |
| [19:10:24] | Dagmar: | Some idiot would click it if you made it a button. |
| [19:10:36] | Dagmar: | ...and I'll try not to hold it against you that you worked in a store. |
| [19:10:53] | NetShadow: | particularly if they made it a big red button |
| [19:11:06] | Memphisau: | it was a small computer store, not a chain |
| [19:11:28] | Memphisau: | ie. most of work was fixing windows machines and removing viruses... in many cases just doing a full reinstall |
| [19:11:53] | Memphisau: | few funny stories about computer stores you pick up though |
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| [19:13:40] | Memphisau: | imagine if they put the big red format button at the bottom of a silo, in the middle of the desert... it would be just crying to get pushed :P |
| [19:13:53] | Dagmar: | You know what an HPA is? |
| [19:13:58] | OmniCitadel: | does any one have hulu desktop working correctly? Every time I get to a commercial all i get is a black screen, then i have to change programs and then change back... its quite annoying |
| [19:14:01] | Dagmar: | (in relation to disks) |
| [19:14:16] | Dagmar: | OmniCitadel: Excuse me but wtf man |
| [19:14:16] | Memphisau: | host protected area |
| [19:14:19] | NetShadow: | with big warning signs about not pushing the button |
| [19:14:22] | Dagmar: | This isn't Hulu support |
| [19:14:33] | Dagmar: | Go to their website already |
| [19:14:39] | OmniCitadel: | Dagmar: I already have |
| [19:14:48] | Dagmar: | Then it looks like you're out of luck. |
| [19:14:52] | Dagmar: | We don't do hulu |
| [19:15:33] | Dagmar: | Their site licence forbids any kind of external interface |
| [19:15:33] | jduggan_: | OmniCitadel: #mythtv-users isnt the place for generally chitterchatter, keep OT or the nazis go crazy. |
| [19:16:18] | Memphisau: | so yeah, what about HPA? |
| [19:16:20] | NetShadow: | anyone have a suggestion on a good reliable card for QAM reception? |
| [19:16:52] | wagnerrp: | NetShadow: anything supported by www.linuxtv.org |
| [19:16:54] | Dagmar: | It's short for Host Protected Area |
| [19:16:56] | OmniCitadel: | Dagmar: this is their software, not some external interface |
| [19:17:17] | Dagmar: | Nominally you can use it to "clip out" space on a disk that the host machine might not know what to do about |
| [19:17:26] | Memphisau: | yeah I'm aware what it's called |
| [19:17:27] | Beirdo: | OmniCitadel: more importantly it's not MythTV |
| [19:17:41] | Memphisau: | yeah, some vendors put their identification data in there |
| [19:17:47] | Dagmar: | Like, if your computer is so old it can only deal with an 80gb drive you can actually tell the drive that 3/4 of it's space goes to HPA and it'll only let the PC know about the 80Gb or so it can use |
| [19:17:56] | OmniCitadel: | Beirdo: how ever it is referenced by linuxtv |
| [19:17:59] | Dagmar: | You can also use it to hide data from the cops |
| [19:18:08] | Dagmar: | ...assuming they don't have someone like me who knows how to get it out |
| [19:18:18] | OmniCitadel: | with instructions on how to tie it in to myth |
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| [19:18:35] | wagnerrp: | sadly you dont have that jumper on hard drives that gives you easy control over it any longer |
| [19:18:53] | Memphisau: | yeah, I remember there being tutorials ages ago, where many people thought they could unlock their 120GB drives to get loads of extra storage, but in truth they were just muddling their filesystems |
| [19:19:07] | Dagmar: | OmniCitadel: Yes, _their_ software. As in it's _not_ MythTV |
| [19:19:22] | wagnerrp: | apparently the seagate disk tools let you manage that |
| [19:19:22] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: What jumper |
| [19:19:33] | wagnerrp: | the 137GB compatibility jumper |
| [19:19:38] | Dagmar: | I've seen jumpers to mark a disk read-only, but |
| [19:19:40] | Dagmar: | OOoooo |
| [19:19:43] | Dagmar: | That nonsense |
| [19:19:44] | Beirdo: | OmniCitadel: would you go to a Honda dealership complaining about how your Chevy doesn't work right? |
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| [19:19:56] | Memphisau: | yeah, it's varies in size depending on the disk brand and size |
| [19:20:17] | Memphisau: | but yeah, many older ATA disks have the jumper, ie I have a few 40GB drives that let you lock it down to 8 or 32GB |
| [19:20:21] | Dagmar: | Memphisau: Well, the issue is with the number of (virtual) heads, cylinders and sectros |
| [19:20:48] | OmniCitadel: | Beirdo: can you recommend where I should go to get support, I already have a trouble ticket in |
| [19:21:11] | Memphisau: | I believe the primary reason for the lockout in that case is for compatibilities sake, on older hardware |
| [19:21:12] | Beirdo: | ummm, anywhere that's hulu-specific might be a good start |
| [19:21:27] | NetShadow: | OmniCitadel: try the forums for whatever distro you run |
| [19:21:28] | wagnerrp: | their forums would be a good idea |
| [19:21:40] | wagnerrp: | that would be hulu forums, not your distro's forums |
| [19:22:02] | Beirdo: | google would be a very good start to find hulu resources... not the IRC channel for a nominally competing product :) |
| [19:22:19] | Beirdo: | !trout OmniCitadel |
| [19:22:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps OmniCitadel with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [19:22:29] | OmniCitadel: | I would hardly call myth a competing product |
| [19:22:35] | NetShadow: | wagnerrp: only reason i mentioned distro is that hulu desktop is known not to work at all on some, like the Fedora 12 Beta |
| [19:22:54] | OmniCitadel: | I am running ubuntu.. which is a supported os |
| [19:22:55] | Beirdo: | I nominally, you silly person |
| [19:23:18] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: Well it's not up for discussion, you've been asked to take it somewhere appropriate, please do so |
| [19:23:19] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect it to, considering they released a dynamically linked binary |
| [19:23:26] | NetShadow: | OmniCitadel: Hulu's support is your only option really. Their thing is closed source proprietary software |
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| [19:23:45] | Dagmar: | What the hell does you running Ubuntu have to do with the fact that we didn't write hulu desktop. |
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| [19:23:54] | Dagmar: | ...or that it's not a supported platform for it |
| [19:24:20] | ** Beirdo hands Dagmar a trout ** | |
| [19:24:22] | Dagmar: | You should know better. |
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| [19:25:45] | ** resno blinks ** | |
| [19:25:52] | OmniCitadel: | OMG I just figured it out LOLz the commercial breaks where happening right at the same time it was saying I have been logged in for 30 days and will be logged out thus interfering with the commercial |
| [19:26:09] | OmniCitadel: | it took watching a weird commercial breaked show to display that |
| [19:26:35] | OmniCitadel: | !trout OmniCitadel |
| [19:26:35] | ** MythLogBot slaps OmniCitadel with a trout on behalf of OmniCitadel... ** | |
| [19:26:53] | OmniCitadel: | ahhh so stupid of a fix i am ashamed |
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| [19:36:59] | eFfeM: | hi, i'm trying to set up mythtv but on mythtv-setup I get: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [19:37:00] | eFfeM: | I am not asked for the password. What is wrong? |
| [19:37:25] | eFfeM: | i found somewhere a ref to mysql.txt but I do not seem to have such a file |
| [19:37:31] | wagnerrp: | it already has the password, which is apparently the wrong password |
| [19:37:39] | wagnerrp: | mysql.txt is the old file, not used for several versions |
| [19:37:39] | Dagmar: | You need to read the installation documentation |
| [19:37:48] | wagnerrp: | look for a config.xml in the same location |
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| [19:38:03] | eFfeM: | i did, but guess i think I did something wrong there (and mysql.txt was returned by google) |
| [19:38:18] | wagnerrp: | you trust google over official documentation? |
| [19:38:21] | Dagmar: | That's nice. |
| [19:38:31] | Dagmar: | Random google hits != "mythtv installation documentation" |
| [19:39:03] | Dagmar: | If you try to just slap it into working without reading the docs, YOU WILL FAIL. |
| [19:39:04] | Memphisau: | well it gets you started |
| [19:39:27] | Dagmar: | Even if you read the docs there's a good chance you'll fail unless you're really well-versed in Unix |
| [19:39:32] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: i followed the instructions, apparently somethign went wrong, then I got an error, could not find it in the doc, tried to resolve it so googled for the error |
| [19:39:36] | eFfeM: | what is wrong with that |
| [19:39:54] | Dagmar: | A lot of things until you tell us what point you were at in the install |
| [19:39:55] | wagnerrp: | did you follow the parts in the instructions about setting up a mysql user? |
| [19:40:28] | Dagmar: | "the instructions" <-- which instructions are you using? |
| [19:41:07] | eFfeM: | i was at the point where I start mythtv-setup (btw this is on a headless system so redirecting X to this system |
| [19:41:14] | wagnerrp: | namely, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [19:41:16] | Dagmar: | "the instructions" <-- which instructions are you using? |
| [19:41:28] | wagnerrp: | near the bottom of the page, that 'grant all' stuff |
| [19:41:28] | eFfeM: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
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| [19:42:19] | Memphisau: | so when there's something wierd in your setup... who you gonna call? |
| [19:42:36] | wagnerrp: | you should have been asked your mysql password at least once during setup |
| [19:43:04] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY reason why you would not have been asked is if youre using something like mythbuntu, which sets all that stuff up automatically |
| [19:43:08] | Dagmar: | Memphisau: Mainly, |
| [19:43:12] | Dagmar: | "a grownup" |
| [19:43:16] | Memphisau: | lol |
| [19:43:16] | wagnerrp: | in which case you should NOT be following the mythtv docs, but rather the mythbuntu docs |
| [19:43:24] | NetShadow: | it's in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:43:34] | eFfeM: | it has never asked the password |
| [19:43:35] | wagnerrp: | since they have automated much of the setup process, and the mythtv docs will just confuse you |
| [19:43:38] | Dagmar: | ...because people like to refuse to read docs, and then claim they did, and pout and stomp their feet when things don't work |
| [19:43:39] | Memphisau: | who's saying I'm not "a grownup" |
| [19:43:49] | wagnerrp: | NetShadow: no, thats the old file, not what mythtv currently uses |
| [19:43:58] | wagnerrp: | eFfeM: where did you get mythtv? |
| [19:44:13] | Dagmar: | Memphisau: This being one of those cases, I'm washing my hands of it |
| [19:44:23] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: compiled it myself |
| [19:44:52] | wagnerrp: | ok, then the official docs should work just fine |
| [19:44:59] | NetShadow: | wagnerrp: ahh, my bad. The packages i'm using on F11 still reference it |
| [19:45:05] | Memphisau: | lol, because I'm old enough to vote, drink, smoke (not that I choose to), vote and serve on a jury (of which I did once for 4 weeks) |
| [19:45:21] | eFfeM: | this is what I get when I run setup: http://pastebin.ca/1645531 |
| [19:45:58] | eFfeM: | guess i made a mistake somewhere in creating the database (sorry, i'm an sql n00b) |
| [19:46:03] | wagnerrp: | the only reason it would try to access mysql.txt is if it cannot find a config.xml |
| [19:46:13] | wagnerrp: | or, youre using a very old version |
| [19:46:24] | eFfeM: | i'm using 0.21 |
| [19:46:29] | iamlindoro: | tarball |
| [19:46:33] | eFfeM: | where should config.xml live ? |
| [19:46:36] | wagnerrp: | that uses config.xml |
| [19:46:41] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [19:47:13] | wagnerrp: | anyway, follow that page i linked you to |
| [19:47:17] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: i do not have a ~/.mythtv |
| [19:47:43] | wagnerrp: | in that case, mythtv-setup *should* create one and ask you for your database info |
| [19:48:05] | eFfeM: | it doesn't, above is the pastebin that I get when I run mythtv-setup |
| [19:48:16] | wagnerrp: | first, you should not be running mythtv-setup as root |
| [19:48:31] | eFfeM: | ah ok |
| [19:48:32] | wagnerrp: | this should all be done as the user you intend to run mythbackend as |
| [19:48:46] | wagnerrp: | because it does a number of checks to make sure file permissions are set up properly |
| [19:48:53] | wagnerrp: | that is all bypassed if youre root |
| [19:49:17] | Dagmar: | ...which is probably why most people run mythbackend as root. |
| [19:49:47] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, fedora is the only distro which sets it up that way by default |
| [19:50:02] | eFfeM: | ok, created a user mythtv, ran mythtv-setup again, and get the same error including the segfault |
| [19:50:24] | eFfeM: | and including the unable to connect error |
| [19:50:47] | NetShadow: | this will sound obvious, but did you run it as the mythtv user you created? |
| [19:50:59] | wagnerrp: | you are forwarding X to a different computer |
| [19:51:05] | wagnerrp: | are you sure that even works? |
| [19:51:13] | eFfeM: | NetShadow: yes I did su mythtv |
| [19:51:23] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: will retest and verify |
| [19:51:31] | wagnerrp: | run 'xterm' or something |
| [19:51:38] | wagnerrp: | make sure that pops up on the remote computer |
| [19:51:47] | eFfeM: | xcalc works and pops up remotely |
| [19:52:17] | wagnerrp: | because mythtv-setup will try its defaults, and if it cannot login, it will popup its UI and ask you how to log in |
| [19:52:41] | wagnerrp: | use '-v all' and pastebin again |
| [19:52:47] | Memphisau: | the frontend and backend setup programs can run over X forwarding |
| [19:53:24] | wagnerrp: | Memphisau: this is not X forwarding, this is just straight X |
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| [19:53:41] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/1645541 |
| [19:53:47] | wagnerrp: | forwarding implies that you have some extra program negotiating send the data to a remote machine |
| [19:54:10] | Memphisau: | hmm, fair enough |
| [19:54:49] | Memphisau: | so it's just X then, when I have a gui application running which I bring to my laptop upstairs |
| [19:55:17] | wagnerrp: | do you set the DISPLAY variable to the remote machine? or do you tunnel with ssh? |
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| [19:55:35] | eFfeM: | i set DISPLAY to the remote machine (see first line of pastebin) |
| [19:55:41] | wagnerrp: | the former is X, and X's native network transparency. the latter is forwarding |
| [19:55:41] | eFfeM: | same as I did with xcalc |
| [19:55:51] | wagnerrp: | eFfeM: i know, was talking to Memphisau |
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| [19:56:05] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: ok, sorry |
| [19:56:06] | wagnerrp: | eFfeM: i would suggest grabbing the latest copy of 0.21-fixes off subversion |
| [19:56:31] | Dagmar: | This is entirely semantics since SSH is also setting the DISPLAY variable, you just don't have to do it |
| [19:56:32] | eFfeM: | ok |
| [19:57:02] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: no it isnt, ssh is setting the display variable to some local port |
| [19:57:22] | wagnerrp: | anyway, youre segfaulting before you get a chance to open the GUI and ask you what your database information is |
| [19:57:25] | EvilGuru: | Bah: 2009-10–27 19:54:03.377 Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file for tv grab uk rt; that gives me 3 days of listings left :( |
| [19:57:48] | wagnerrp: | aside from you seeming to not have the proper permissions in mysql |
| [19:57:55] | wagnerrp: | there is something very broken with mythtv itself |
| [19:58:10] | Dagmar: | From X's point of view there's little difference tho |
| [19:58:38] | wagnerrp: | well sure, one way or another, its just opening up a socket |
| [19:59:12] | eFfeM: | wagner, if that segfaulting was for me: it already assumes a .mythtv at that line |
| [19:59:38] | eFfeM: | anyway what is the best weay to remove all of the database so I can start fresh after grabbing 0.21-fixes |
| [19:59:47] | wagnerrp: | drop database mythconverg; |
| [20:00:10] | eFfeM: | wagnerrp: thanks ! |
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| [20:01:08] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: my point was more that ssh forwarding tends to work out of the box, while GDM/XDM and the like usually restrict X to listening on localhost by default |
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| [20:07:40] | eFfeM: | last q: is mythtv.org working for you guys, it worked for me 15 minutes ago, but now not any more (although I can ping it) |
| [20:07:55] | wagnerrp: | looks down to me |
| [20:08:18] | Memphisau: | same here |
| [20:08:56] | eFfeM: | ak ok, so it is not at my side |
| [20:09:56] | squish102: | maybe they updating for the 0.22 ;/ |
| [20:10:06] | eFfeM: | :-) |
| [20:11:15] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [20:11:47] | EvilGuru: | Is it safe to rm the mythtv log files? |
| [20:12:12] | wagnerrp: | as long as the mythtv user has write access to that directory |
| [20:14:45] | EvilGuru: | Okay, as my frontend log files are at 4.2g |
| [20:15:01] | wagnerrp: | thats quite large |
| [20:15:07] | wagnerrp: | you should look into logrotate |
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| [20:15:50] | jarle: | I'm wondering, a "record any time on any channel rule", will that disable dupe checking? I have a schedule set to "Duplicate Check method: description", however it seems to record several instances of each program (The description is the same for the recorded programs). |
| [20:16:19] | wagnerrp: | jarle: duplicate checking will usually fail on generic episodes |
| [20:16:50] | EvilGuru: | I have also lost my /home/freddie/.mythtv/RT Freeview.xmltv file, how can I get the grabber to ask me for the channel info again? |
| [20:17:07] | wagnerrp: | or if youre getting scheduling data from multiple sources |
| [20:17:24] | wagnerrp: | or even across more than one channel |
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| [20:19:22] | jarle: | wagnerrp: how can this be? I mean if it is set to dupe check based on description, why will it record several programs with the same description? |
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| [20:19:58] | wagnerrp: | dupe checking is turned off on episodes listed as generic |
| [20:20:10] | wagnerrp: | there is an option not to record generic episodes |
| [20:20:21] | sphery: | jarle: if you don't want generics, you have to mark the rule, "Exclude generic episodes" |
| [20:20:24] | wagnerrp: | and the description has to match *exactly* |
| [20:20:47] | wagnerrp: | all the same punctuation and capitalization |
| [20:21:03] | sphery: | /and/ one of the 2 must have no programid |
| [20:21:20] | sphery: | otherwise, programid /will/ be used an dup matching method is ignored |
| [20:22:47] | Memphisau: | I wonder how far I can extend USB 2.0 if I use cat5 cable |
| [20:23:05] | wagnerrp: | Memphisau: 16ft from device to device |
| [20:23:12] | wagnerrp: | that is an absolute maximum |
| [20:23:15] | wagnerrp: | cant go beyond that |
| [20:23:19] | Memphisau: | hmm, what if I supplied the power rails at the remote end? |
| [20:23:52] | jarle: | sphery: I have turned on "Exclude generic episodes" now, will see if that helps.. |
| [20:24:06] | Memphisau: | I've made a 5M cable for my external hard drive before, the data seemed to work, as it would detect the drive, but it couldn't physically get the drive motors to start... shortened it to 1M and it worked |
| [20:24:06] | wagnerrp: | its based off the time for the signal to go from one end of the cable to the other, and average copper conductors |
| [20:24:23] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with power |
| [20:24:24] | Memphisau: | yeah, that's what I was considering |
| [20:24:31] | Memphisau: | what the tolerances are regarding that |
| [20:24:51] | sphery: | jarle: basically, there's no way for Myth to know if a generic episode is a repeat, so duplicate checking doesn't apply--instead, you have to specifically say, "If the listings don't know which one it is, I don't want it." |
| [20:24:58] | sphery: | it's a safety mechanism |
| [20:25:02] | wagnerrp: | USB cables that you see are longer than that are active devices |
| [20:25:19] | wagnerrp: | they have small unpowered hubs every ~15' inside the cable |
| [20:25:35] | Memphisau: | hmm, perhaps I'll try it later, see how far I can go |
| [20:25:37] | wagnerrp: | just a single-port repeater |
| [20:25:42] | Memphisau: | would probably want 15M |
| [20:26:02] | wagnerrp: | not without an active cable |
| [20:26:19] | wagnerrp: | why do you need such a long usb cable? |
| [20:26:41] | Memphisau: | but not really wanting to invest in this, as I have 20M+ of cat5e (possibly cat6) cable to use, and it would help if I can run a USB hub + 2 dvb-t usb tuners in a separate room (where the antenna is located) |
| [20:27:03] | Memphisau: | basically want to keep my mythtv backend downstairs |
| [20:27:17] | wagnerrp: | better to buy an amp and some coax |
| [20:27:29] | Memphisau: | hmm, well I'll see how I go |
| [20:27:31] | wagnerrp: | or buy a HDHomeRun which is purpose built for that |
| [20:28:07] | Memphisau: | but yeah, I have a couple of separate mythtv BE+FE setups |
| [20:28:08] | wagnerrp: | or buy a purpose built USB over cat5, which has a device at either end and a custom communication protocol over cat5 |
| [20:28:15] | wagnerrp: | or buy a active usb cable |
| [20:28:27] | Memphisau: | 1 is a standalone for the TV, the other will be networked up to everything else |
| [20:28:37] | wagnerrp: | but you will not get 45' out of a passive cable, no matter what you do |
| [20:29:00] | Memphisau: | hmm, well I'm still interested to see how far it'll go |
| [20:29:04] | Memphisau: | so will still try it :PO |
| [20:29:06] | Memphisau: | :P |
| [20:30:09] | wagnerrp: | !trout Memphisau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Cables |
| [20:30:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps Memphisau with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Cables trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [20:31:03] | Memphisau: | never heard of that breed of trout before.. |
| [20:31:17] | wagnerrp: | its like a rainbow trout, but angrier |
| [20:32:23] | jarle: | sphery: I have a title search for "Louis Theroux". I have several channels that might carry different episodes of the show. Basically I want it to record this show as long as the description does not match a previously recorded show. Problem is that right now it will record several copies of the show during at different times of the day, even if the description is *excactly* the same. I'm wondering if the dupe checking is only done once, and is not re- |
| [20:32:23] | jarle: | checked after the first event of the program is recorded? |
| [20:32:35] | sphery: | Isn't #7442 just because of the GPU video buffers? Not at all a Myth thing (and, I'm pretty sure the guy doesn't mean "start mythWEB") |
| [20:33:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.usb.org/developers/usbfaq/#cab2 |
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| [20:33:40] | wagnerrp: | they explain exactly why you should not even bother |
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| [20:36:29] | Memphisau: | challenge accepted.. |
| [20:36:46] | wagnerrp: | very well... waste your time... |
| [20:36:59] | Memphisau: | have some humour :P |
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| [20:40:27] | lydgate: | i've started getting this from mythtv-status: Sorry, failed to fetch http://localhost:6544/xml |
| [20:40:36] | lydgate: | i'm running status on localhost and have checked that it's configured to query localhost |
| [20:40:55] | wagnerrp: | can you open that page manually? |
| [20:40:59] | wagnerrp: | is your backend running? |
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| [20:41:18] | lydgate: | wagnerrp: yes, backend is running, mythweb works |
| [20:41:39] | lydgate: | let me see if i can open it |
| [20:42:04] | lydgate: | hmmm nope |
| [20:42:21] | lydgate: | what listens on that port? the backend? |
| [20:42:37] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:42:48] | wagnerrp: | the backend runs a very basic webserver |
| [20:43:02] | wagnerrp: | if you remove the 'xml', you will see the backend status page that mythweb prints out |
| [20:43:06] | lydgate: | well the port is open if i nmap myself |
| [20:43:22] | Wicked: | is it me or is mythtv.org down? |
| [20:43:30] | sphery: | jarle: if the title's don't match (the only reason I can see you'd be using a title search), the episodes are not considered duplicates. The dup-matching method is always in addition to title, so "subtitle + description" is really, "title + subtitle + description" and "description" is really "title + description" |
| [20:43:32] | wagnerrp: | not just you |
| [20:43:33] | Wicked: | the page wont load for me and when i try to svn up it just hangs |
| [20:43:46] | lydgate: | wagnerrp: yes, can see the status page without the xml |
| [20:44:01] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv page has been getting hammered off an on for the past month |
| [20:44:12] | lydgate: | oh i bet i know what it is |
| [20:44:20] | wagnerrp: | seems someone finally managed to take it down |
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| [20:44:26] | Rigor_M: | Hi |
| [20:44:27] | Wicked: | :o hammered as in ddos? or hammered as being swamped by users? |
| [20:44:32] | wagnerrp: | the latter |
| [20:44:34] | lydgate: | probably it's obeying http_proxy and trying to use the proxy server |
| [20:44:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A mourns mythtv.org ... :-( ** | |
| [20:44:35] | Wicked: | damn |
| [20:44:50] | lydgate: | which is on another host |
| [20:44:51] | lydgate: | silly |
| [20:45:00] | Wicked: | who the heck would ddos mythtv? |
| [20:45:17] | wagnerrp: | microsoft? |
| [20:45:21] | Wicked: | bingo |
| [20:45:40] | Wicked: | i would have also accepted tivo as a answer |
| [20:45:59] | wagnerrp: | tivo is plug-and-play, they dont care about mythtv |
| [20:46:08] | wagnerrp: | not a competing product |
| [20:46:13] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [20:46:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek, is the whole server down? [no trac either?!?] |
| [20:46:46] | lydgate: | wagnerrp: yep, it was http_proxy environment variable... thanks for helping me think rationally |
| [20:57:04] | Rigor_M: | while we wait for the website to come back, can someone tell me if its now possible to setup a backend only server without the help of X or rederecting the X remotely ? |
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| [20:57:33] | iamlindoro: | nope, still need x libraries installed on the backend, and at least to forward X somewhere for mythtv-setup |
| [20:57:51] | iamlindoro: | And that's unlikely to change |
| [20:58:02] | Rigor_M: | yeah, i see |
| [20:58:35] | Rigor_M: | so a basic X with fluxbox could just has well do the thing |
| [20:58:52] | iamlindoro: | Yup |
| [20:59:13] | Rigor_M: | woud of been fun to have a basic curses interface. |
| [21:00:18] | jams: | just for fun the next version will require .net |
| [21:00:42] | iamlindoro: | Focus right now is on more usability and fewer settings-- usability improvements |
| [21:01:03] | iamlindoro: | so patches that add complexity, or harm user experience, or add settings are going to have a very tough time indeed |
| [21:01:44] | iamlindoro: | and since the vast, vast majority of setups are on a system with X, or failing that, can forward X elsewhere, the burden of the extra code to maintain is unlikely to make it worth it |
| [21:02:11] | Rigor_M: | I see |
| [21:02:53] | jams: | so that means no .net? |
| [21:02:59] | iamlindoro: | jams: ;) |
| [21:03:09] | iamlindoro: | mono mythfrontend.exe |
| [21:03:11] | jams: | it's all the rage |
| [21:03:41] | Rigor_M: | Why not ask for a Java based interface while your at it ;-) |
| [21:04:28] | wagnerrp: | we already have some form of a python interface |
| [21:04:44] | wagnerrp: | although its rather cluttered |
| [21:04:56] | Rigor_M: | what dows it do ? |
| [21:05:00] | Rigor_M: | does |
| [21:05:55] | wagnerrp: | not a whole lot, seems it was abandoned in january after releasing a couple videos on youtube |
| [21:06:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | we have a telnet interface |
| [21:06:38] | wagnerrp: | i meant a whole frontend, not part of the frontend |
| [21:06:41] | Rigor_M: | telnet for the FE if I recall |
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| [21:46:22] | sphery: | Obviously the guy who whined about the schedule section of the backend status page only using half of the space didn't realize /why/ it was designed that way... |
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| [21:47:12] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 87933#387933 guy |
| [21:47:56] | tgm4883: | is mythtv.org down? |
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| [21:48:04] | Wicked: | tgm4883, yea |
| [21:48:09] | tgm4883: | bummer |
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| [22:14:36] | Jonny0stars: | Hello |
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| [22:14:58] | Jonny0stars: | I always join #mythtv first, It should be mythtv-dev or something |
| [22:15:06] | gunni: | Hi, is mythtv.org down, or just not reachable by me? |
| [22:15:28] | Jonny0stars: | Looks like its down |
| [22:15:44] | Jonny0stars: | gunni: Handy little site http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| [22:16:05] | gunni: | Jonny0stars: thx |
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| [22:17:08] | Jonny0stars: | Anyway, just a quickie. Is there anywhere in mythfrontend to find the signal strength? |
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| [22:19:12] | caballero: | !list |
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| [22:20:18] | mycosys: | any reason not to use noatime on my ext3 drives on my master backend? |
| [22:22:18] | Memphisau: | argh, my remote seems to be taking each keypress twice |
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| [22:29:26] | Jonny0stars: | It does it when your first get a lock on the channel but is the information accessible anywhere else? |
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| [22:35:30] | mzb: | Jonny0stars, if you're talking about a dvb card you can use femon |
| [22:36:33] | mzb: | it's in the dvb-utils package (or similar name?) on Debian-based distros |
| [22:36:57] | Jonny0stars: | Il look into it thanks |
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| [23:03:31] | Dibblah: | Is there a semi-supported way to run myth multihead? |
| [23:03:43] | Dibblah: | ie is anyone else doing it? |
| [23:04:11] | iamlindoro: | think Greyfoxx does |
| [23:04:34] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Finally got viddypow on both frontends :) |
| [23:04:34] | iamlindoro: | Think he has one projector/one TV running off the same box, two fronteneds |
| [23:04:50] | Dibblah: | ... It was easy back in the days of the txt file. |
| [23:05:10] | Dibblah: | I'm guessing a -O override of the hostname? |
| [23:05:41] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure about the specifics :( |
| [23:05:45] | iamlindoro: | But I expect so |
| [23:06:14] | Dibblah: | Can't see any other way to do it. I assume the -O is transitory? |
| [23:06:27] | Dibblah: | ie it doesn't tatoo. |
| [23:06:59] | Josh_: | Dibblah, that's one of the things on my todo list. |
| [23:07:11] | Dibblah: | What? Multihead? |
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| [23:07:27] | Josh_: | Dibblah, yeah. |
| [23:07:29] | Dibblah: | It's made much more complex if you want remotes on both FEs. |
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| [23:08:06] | Josh_: | Dibblah, Not really, IMO, just have to run two lircd's, each bound to a different /dev/ node. |
| [23:08:22] | Dibblah: | Uhuh. Good luck setting that up :( |
| [23:08:27] | Josh_: | Dibblah, never tried it though, I'm completely speaking through my anal orifice. |
| [23:08:41] | Dibblah: | ... You'd need to use two different devices. |
| [23:08:51] | Josh_: | Dibblah, of course. |
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| [23:08:52] | Dibblah: | ie MCEUSB / serial. |
| [23:09:02] | Josh_: | hmm. |
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| [23:09:11] | Dibblah: | Yeah. It gets nasty fast. |
| [23:09:11] | Josh_: | Dibblah, two MCEUSB's won't work you think? |
| [23:09:13] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [23:09:29] | Dibblah: | Since you can't guarantee which one will be bound where. |
| [23:09:47] | Dibblah: | (USB enumeration these days is non-deterministic) |
| [23:10:12] | Josh_: | Dibblah, UDEV hacking comes to mind, but again, talking out my ass. |
| [23:10:17] | Dibblah: | And the MCEUSB doesn't have a serial number. |
| [23:10:29] | Dibblah: | So there's no way to know which is which. |
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| [23:11:24] | Dibblah: | For me, my only difficulty should be with making sure that the touchscreen works on the right display. |
| [23:11:40] | Dibblah: | ... And switching on/off on demand. |
| [23:11:43] | Josh_: | Dibblah, my room butts up to the kids' room, and the wall my remote frontend is on is the dividing wall, don't really see the need of putting another box in the kids room for a tv they'll watch rarely |
| [23:12:23] | Josh_: | Dibblah, my LG tv seems pretty nice, its got a fully documented serial 'service' port. |
| [23:12:51] | ** Dibblah hates his bedroom TV with a passion. ** | |
| [23:13:07] | Josh_: | Dibblah, if the damn serial d-sub connecter werent so big, I could use it to control tv than with r. |
| [23:13:14] | Josh_: | s/r./ir. |
| [23:13:29] | Dibblah: | Bad edid, can't do native panel res, no discrete controls at all. |
| [23:13:41] | Dibblah: | So you can't turn it on deterministically. |
| [23:13:54] | Dibblah: | You can't change to an input deterministically. |
| [23:13:57] | mycosys: | Dibblah – one way to tell which usb is which is by the hub/controller they connect to |
| [23:14:15] | Dibblah: | Possibly. |
| [23:14:16] | Josh_: | Dibblah, my edid info works perfectly when attached via RGB, but when connected via DVI> HDMI adapter it goes to shit |
| [23:14:27] | Dibblah: | It's different EDIDs. |
| [23:14:36] | Dibblah: | Two physical eeproms. |
| [23:16:20] | mycosys: | the USB thing DOES S#!t me tho – i have 2 Asus U3100minis and 1 U3000, and want the U3000 only used if the other 2 are already in use – kinda means checkin on it every damn boot lol |
| [23:17:26] | dserban: | ok seriously... people are stupid. Why wouldn't they allow me to buy pvr-150's at $35 each? Nooooo... sold out in a day... effers. |
| [23:17:40] | dserban: | maybe I'm just stupid for not ponying up right away. |
| [23:17:58] | Dibblah: | Damn this free market economy thing! |
| [23:18:11] | Dibblah: | I bet they went to MCE users, too. |
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| [23:32:07] | Josh_: | My wife insists on watching "1,000 ways to die" |
| [23:32:11] | Josh_: | that show disturbs me. |
| [23:33:10] | wagnerrp: | would you rather be watching hannah montana? |
| [23:33:47] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, debatable. |
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| [23:34:03] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, I have two boys, thank god I'll never have to watch Hannah Montanna. |
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| [23:38:57] | wagnerrp: | whats with #7445? was the submitter on crack? or just a jackass? |
| [23:39:26] | Dagmar: | Why can't it be both? |
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| [23:42:10] | iamlindoro: | So the good news about apache taking its lunch break is that nobody can yell at me for being insensitive to other cultures |
| [23:42:20] | iamlindoro: | at least, not on the users list |
| [23:43:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | a crackass |
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| [23:45:38] | sphery: | So, has anyone gotten MythTV working with ARDS? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/amazon_mysql_cloud/ |
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| [23:46:24] | wagnerrp: | i know i need more scalability than my local mysql server can provide |
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| [23:47:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's the ultimate solution to distributed commflagging |
| [23:47:06] | wagnerrp: | i did realize no web page meant no listserv |
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| [23:47:24] | wagnerrp: | its all on one machine? |
| [23:47:38] | wagnerrp: | s/did/didnt/ |
| [23:48:00] | Josh_: | sphery, upgraded to newest -fixes, my bedroom machine still takes a dump when using channel guide. |
| [23:48:03] | sphery: | yeah, one hardware machine, many virtual servers |
| [23:48:29] | sphery: | and, from descriptions, no available RAM or swap and serious thrashing |
| [23:48:43] | sphery: | Josh_: I'm out of ideas on it |
| [23:49:02] | sphery: | I can't reproduce it, either. :( |
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| [23:50:11] | Josh_: | sphery, heh. iamlindoro suggested it was icon related, I set all the icons to "none", problem persists. |
| [23:50:53] | sphery: | yeah, it's always worth checking the simple/known things |
| [23:51:41] | sphery: | So, getting out of facebook is now harder than cancelling an AOL subscription: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/facebook_memorials/ |
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| [23:51:50] | sphery: | at least when you die, AOL gives up |
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