Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, October 25th, 2009, 00:10 UTC

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HDLOVA:

Hey guys, which is the best HD card for myth? I can use cable card in it?

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HDLOVA:

Is Myth better than Windows Media Center?

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HDLOVA:

I love Media Center

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HDLOVA:

Is Myth better

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HDLOVA:

?

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HDLOVA:

Hello?

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HDLOVA:

Anyone is here?

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Dagmar:

If you have to ask, you need to stick with Windows.

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HDLOVA:

Hi Dagmar, you know Myth well?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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HDLOVA:

Maybe you can help?

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Dagmar:

I doubt it.

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Dagmar:

You sound like you're looking to find a salesman to convince you to "buy" MythTV and that's not happening.

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HDLOVA:

OK, maybe someone else can help

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HDLOVA:

How much is MythTV to buy?

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Dagmar:

it's free.

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wagnerrp:

$400

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Dagmar:

It's the hard disks that'll getcha

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HDLOVA:

Wow, $400 is too much, windows is even cheaper

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sphery:

and the time

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wagnerrp:

i know

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Dagmar:

That reminds me I shoudl check the mailbox

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Dagmar:

My W7 DVD is probably in it

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HDLOVA is now known as not_iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

mmm

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not_iamlindoro:

Good times

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wagnerrp:

figured as much

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Dagmar:

I'm about >< close to just looking for ways to break it to annoy the people at the office.

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wagnerrp:

didnt think to check who wasnt in here

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not_iamlindoro:

Oh I'm still here

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Dagmar:

heheh

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not_iamlindoro:

or rather, there

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not_iamlindoro:

But also here. It's complicated.

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Dagmar:

It's all about context.

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not_iamlindoro:

So, today I learned that freenode banned mibbit

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sphery:

wow

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not_iamlindoro:

which explains why we never see the wacky mibbit nicks any more

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sphery:

good thing you got your nice proxy set up

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** sphery has mythtv-setup properly falling back to a default theme when the specified theme is broken, now **

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not_iamlindoro:

So I heard

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not_iamlindoro:

you rock

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not_iamlindoro:

Yeah, proxy set up, but too lazy to ssh in to home

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sphery:

you couldn't have heard... I only had mythfrontend working, before. I /just/ got mythtv-setup work.

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sphery:

unless you're listening in on my through my mic

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sphery:

too lazy to ssh in to home to use the proxy, but not too lazy to hack my system and enable my microphone so you can listen to me...

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not_iamlindoro:

You should have the peas

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not_iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, I mean...

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sphery:

good idea... I was thinking green beans, but peas sound good.

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jams:

after 10 years of never using a Western digital I decide to give one a try. 1 hour into power on and the thing goes belly up

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jams:

guess I have another 10 years of being WD free

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sphery:

maybe you didn't get a Green one

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sphery:

I know someone who swears by WD Green

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jams:

and now you know someone who swears at WD

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I swear by $/GB

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not_iamlindoro:

22 TB, still going strong :)

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not_iamlindoro:

That's right, 22 TB, and that's why I get ALL my mass storage from the future

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jams:

you want this drive? sounds like you can use more storage.

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wagnerrp:

he only uses seagates

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** not_iamlindoro hisses, claws **

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not_iamlindoro:

Ssssssssssssssseagate

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jams:

frankly thats all I used for the last 10 years, decided to give WD a shot and end up shooting myself in the foot

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jams:

guess there was some hitachi in there

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sphery:

I have a Hitachi click-clack. I mean Deskstar.

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sphery:

(still running after a year of click-clack)

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Dagmar:

Deathstar.

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sphery:

while it's still running, I can't call it that

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Dagmar:

True

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sphery:

it's been the most prolonged HDD death I've ever experienced

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tjcarter:

Hitachi drives aren't that bad. Just don't fire a missile at their vent holes.

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tjcarter:

...don't fire a missile at the vent holes of a Seagate either. Or WD. Or Samsung. Or Fujitsu. Or ... any drive, really. =)

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clever:

how do you enforce the cpu a process uses?

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wagnerrp:

taskset

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andreax:

Hello All! Since the changing of the time here i get a crazy error from mythfrontend when i try to start. It say "UTC offset on the master backend differs from offset in this system". I wonder why and how, cause frontend and backend is running on the same box...? Master: UTC Offset: 3600, Local: UTC Offset:7200 – how can that be?

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clever:

ah

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clever:

thanks

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Dagmar:

andeax: Set the timezones to the same on both machines

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wagnerrp:

'running on the same box'

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Dagmar:

Oh.

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andreax:

Its just one pc... :)

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Dagmar:

Freaking reaboot

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andreax:

Tried already but wont heal it...

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jams:

sphery- andreax needs your help ^^^

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sphery:

andreax: are you the guy from #7418?

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sphery:

(voyo)

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andreax:

woops... Sorry i didnt look into trac for this, but no, im not.. .)

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jams:

haha for a minute there I thought the time vortex got him.

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andreax:

Hes from warsaw, im from berlin... :) But its exactly the same prob.. :)

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andreax:

The ppl should stop playing with their clocks... It makes all complicate and got not really a sense... :)

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** wagnerrp needs faster disks **

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clever:

wagnerrp: nope, didnt fix it

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wagnerrp:

whats the problem?

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clever:

i'll throw more gdb at firefox

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clever:

basicaly, 5 minutes after starting, when all tabs are still loading, it crashes

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sphery:

andreax: can you run http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . time_zone.pl and pastebin the output, please?

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andreax:

Sure, sec...

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sphery:

andreax: also, what distro are you on?

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andreax:

gentoo

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clever:

gentoo here also

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sphery:

so when you run mythfrontend and mythbackend, you're running the binary from the project, not a script?

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andreax:

urg, gimme a minute to boot the box again. the backend shut it down

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sphery:

if you start the frontend, the backend won't shut it down. ;)

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andreax:

its setup to idle for some time, then shut the pc down.. .)

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andreax:

and i run into the idle time while chatting here..

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sphery:

yeah, that was a bad joke (since you said the frontend won't start)

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andreax:

:D

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andreax:

Current Timezone Information

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andreax:

id: Europe/Berlin

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andreax:

offset: 3600

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andreax:

time: 2009-10–25T02:55:16

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sphery:

and that agrees with what the frontend said?

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sphery:

offset and ID, at least

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andreax:

For the part "Master:", yes. But not for "Local:"

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andreax:

For Local it say the offset is 7200, like in the ticket from that guy from warsaw

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sphery:

and can you pastebin the logs from starting the frontend, now? ( http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ )

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andreax:

any special loglevel ?

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sphery:

default (important,general)

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andreax:

kk, just a sec...

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sphery:

I'm wondering if Qt does something stupid, like cache the UTC offset

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sphery:

(myth doesn't)

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andreax:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1642233

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andreax:

wth?? Now it works again as it becomes 3:00am ??

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andreax:

Superb Joke.. :)

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sphery:

andreax: and you rebooted the system during that time?

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andreax:

No... :)

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sphery:

did you ever restart mythbackend during that time?

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andreax:

The time i told you, but between the time i posted the logfile and it works again not

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andreax:

Crazy...

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sphery:

so, as I see it, at the point when the time was set back to 2:00am, the UTC offset became 7200 (what your frontend was seeing)

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andreax:

And that for exactly 1 hour....

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sphery:

so, wait... when did your clocks officially fall back?

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sphery:

at 2:00am to 1:00am or 3:00am to 2:00am?

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andreax:

at 3:00 to 2:00

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sphery:

DST ended on Sunday, October 25, 2009 at 3:00 AM local daylight time

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sphery:

so at 3:00am, the offset became 3600 (and the time became 2:00am), so any app querying offset should have gotten 3600 at that point.

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sphery:

but if qt caches the utc offset, then the backend, which was running when the time/offset changed, wouldn't have gotten a new offset value

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sphery:

but if you restarted the backend, then there's no reason 2 apps running the same function should get different results.

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sphery:

unless the environments differ

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andreax1:

Its hard for me to understand why it become 7200.

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andreax1:

(Sorry ISP kicked me)...

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wagnerrp:

mixup with DST?

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sphery:

it was 7200 before the end of DST, right?

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andreax1:

Ah! True....

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sphery:

and the backend got the right value, 3600, but the frontend was seeing 7200

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andreax1:

Okay, now i understand. I was on the way it was 0 before – dont ask me why.. :)

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sphery:

which is really weird--since they're both running the same function

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sphery:

heh, yeah, it's confusing, so I don't blame you :)

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sphery:

I do the same very frequently

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andreax1:

Whole timezone/dst crap always drive me nuts.. :)

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

http://daylightspendingtime.org/

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sphery:

(from Jay Leno show :)

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sphery:

andreax: I can't explain it just now, but I'll check with others and test it on my system when I get a chance to mess with clocks

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andreax1:

hehehe, the petition is fun.. :)

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andreax1:

i totally agree.... haha

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andreax1:

Anyway mythtv heals itself, thankyou really for your kind help...

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andreax1:

I guess its time to crawl into my pillows. I got that event live for this year... I wonder what happens when we change back the clocks (or not)... :)

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andreax1:

That all reminds me everytime to that Year 2000 tests and hysteric actions.. :)

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sphery:

andreax: thanks for the report and running the tests

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andreax1:

Just tried to answer questions and clear this up... :)

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sphery:

Heh, it seems we have a 1MB memory leak each time you change themes.

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sphery:

(without restarting, that is)

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sphery:

I /think/ the 6–12MB of "possibly lost" bytes are actually just the image cache.

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noodles:

hi, where can I get beirdobot? its great

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sphery:

noodles: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/ (though it seems his trac is down, now)

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sphery:

click the BeirdoBot link

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noodles:

its not working

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sphery:

yeah, one day it will :)

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noodles:

lol

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bobbies:

I've got a setup question. I'm trying to setup a myth box using some older hardware (P4 with a few drives) the computer is also going to act as a network storage and backup. I have 4 drives, 40gb (thinking OS only) and a 120, 200 and 250 GB HD's. I'm thinking a seperate drive for live TV but is that really necessary?

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bobbies:

I should mention that I just had a mythbuntu crash and corrupt the DB because the main drive filled up

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[R]:

bobbies: just lvm it

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sphery:

bobbies: you don't want a separate LiveTV drive--LiveTV will use the same directories as recordings

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wagnerrp:

LVM what?

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sphery:

bobbies: I also recommend not concatenating drives and using separate filesystems

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wagnerrp:

LVM all those drives together into one filesystem? why would you want that?

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is perfectly capable of handling multiple recording directories

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bobbies:

I certainly don't want to LVM these drives together

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wagnerrp:

so all LVM is going to do is make your system prone to failure

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sphery:

good, you'll get better performance, less fragmentation, and less headaches that way :)

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bobbies:

Ive already gone through loosing everything when one drive dies

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sphery:

which is, again, pretty much what wagnerrp said before I finished typing...

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sphery:

Yeah, for the 2yrs I used LVM for my recordings, I couldn't sleep because of the possibility of failure. Boy was I tired when I switched to separate filesystems (about 6 months before we got Storage Groups/multiple filesystem support)

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[R]:

i've been using lvm for years

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bobbies:

[R]: You are a braver soul than I :)

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[R]:

lol

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bobbies:

So should I keep my Live Tv/recordings seperate from say downloaded content?

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sphery:

IMHO, any filesystem used for mythtv recordings (including LiveTV recordings) should be used /only/ by mythtv

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sphery:

ideally, even mythvideo videos will be placed on another filesystem

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bobbies:

Ok so for my music, pictures etc I should out them on a seperate drive (in this case)

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sphery:

that's ideal (especially if you are constantly adding new music/pictures/etc.)

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bobbies:

I'll be doing that :)

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Beirdo:

Yeah, I'll fix the machine that redirects to trac soon

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Beirdo:

sorry for the inconvenience

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Beirdo:

I'll probably just move the stupid redirect to a working machine first ;)

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sphery:

wow, that's impressive that you noticed so quickly

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Beirdo:

and actually, I think beirdobot might be my first public github project to speak of

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sphery:

guess all the mention of your nick beeped you

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Beirdo:

irssi emailed me :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

nice

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Beirdo:

anyways, I gotta pack up to go home (at my brother-in-law's)

[03:00:16]

josh:

Anyone know what the pinout for the transmitter jacks on the back of an mceusb2 reciever is?

[03:00:19]

Beirdo:

and here's hoping that nice black cloud of smoke STAYS above our town, and doesn't descend into it

[03:00:42]

Beirdo:

frigging Gulf refinery blew up here in Puerto Rico

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android6011:

i have 1 tuner, if I am watching live tv on one machine, and try to watch live tv on another, will it just be forced to watch the same thing, or will it not work at all?

[03:00:58]

Beirdo:

anyways, seeya

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josh:

android6011, if you only have one tuner, you will not get anything.

[03:01:17]

josh:

And4713, it'll just dump you back to the mainmenu

[03:01:26]

josh:

android6011, ^^

[03:01:29]

android6011:

ok thanks

[03:01:53]

android6011:

does the hvr 1600 support both analog and digital right now? and if so, can i watch analog while recording from digital?

[03:01:55]

And4713:

dump me to..oh

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And4713:

haha

[03:02:56]

josh:

android6011, I'm working on that myself currently. Supposedly both halves can work simultaneously with the current svn ivtv drivers

[03:02:57]

strex:

android6011, I believe so

[03:03:43]

strex:

android6011, I've watched digital while the other half was recording analog, that answer you're question?

[03:03:51]

android6011:

strex: sure does

[03:04:17]

josh:

android6011, what's your current cable provider?

[03:04:18]

sphery:

also, you can always watch the recording in progress when someone else has control of the tuner for LiveTV

[03:04:39]

sphery:

just go into Watch Recordings and hit MENU|Change Group Filter, then select LiveTV and select the one you want to watch

[03:05:09]

sphery:

and, if you have multirec set up and the LiveTV is using digital, you can actually watch anything else on the same multiplex

[03:05:59]

android6011:

oh ok

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android6011:

so i should have no problems with hvr 1600 then

[03:06:23]

bobbies:

thanks for the help

[03:06:28]

strex:

just make sure you get the drivers / firmware

[03:06:46]

android6011:

ya ok thanks for the info

[03:06:47]

strex:

android6011, google hvr1600 ivtv

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android6011:

how is analog quality on it?

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strex:

good, as good as analog can be.. hehe

[03:07:19]

android6011:

i have 2 other analog only tuners and they are garbage

[03:07:27]

android6011:

ha ya i hear that

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android6011:

i have hvr 1800 and clearqam channels when they have non hd programming is very lackluster

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strex:

I've got a hvr1600, 3x pvr500's.. I know what you mean.

[03:08:32]

strex:

android6011, what kind of box you watching this on?

[03:08:40]

android6011:

core 2 duo

[03:09:15]

strex:

over 2.2?

[03:09:21]

android6011:

ya

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android6011:

i think 2.4 or 2.6

[03:09:37]

android6011:

nvidia 5xxx or 6xxx onboard graphics idk. ive been considering switching it to an ion based on reviews for 1080p h264 ive seen

[03:09:38]

strex:

worth while to read mythtv's wiki on HD, it's a really helpful read.

[03:10:21]

android6011:

hd looks great for my current setup. i am only using a 22" lcd monitor with hdmi for tv. plan on getting a real tv soon

[03:11:33]

strex:

should work fine, I had speed issues when trying to watch HD from that recorder, but only because I couldn't decode that resolution fast enough. You should be fine. Hope it works out for ya.

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strex:

anyone get imonlcd's ir receiver working on fedora?

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josh:

strex, I dont use fedora, but do you have any other lircd devices on that box?

[03:22:59]

strex:

josh, I had iguanair working, but got sick and tired of it.. It ran a deamon called iguanaird which crashed like once a week..

[03:23:39]

strex:

if you can get iguanair's serial interface, you're all set. It works flawlessly and never crashed for me.

[03:24:44]

strex:

josh, what are you looking for?

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josh:

strex, I havent used the ir on my imon VFD, but I did notice that if I used the imon driver with the mceusb2 driver, neither device would work.

[03:25:46]

strex:

hmm, good to know.

[03:25:55]

strex:

did you get the VFD working well?

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josh:

strex, I get the occaisional hiccup, but the bad thing is that it requires a complete powerdown and unplug to reset

[03:27:22]

josh:

even though the box may be off, if it's still physically plugged in, it's still getting power

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strex:

josh, hmm I see. what does it do when it 'hiccup's'?

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strex:

josh, why do you need to reboot?

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josh:

strex, if the VFD display gets corrupted, the only way to reset the VFD is to unplug either the VFD, or the computer itself

[03:29:44]

strex:

josh, wow really? try restarting LCDd yet?

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josh:

strex, I'm calling it a 'hiccup' when the display gets corrupted. It most often does it after a poweroff without unplugging the actual VFD.

[03:30:13]

josh:

strex, restarting LCDd does nothing, as long as the VFD is plugged in, it won't reset

[03:30:47]

strex:

josh, damn, I'm trying to think of something that would help..

[03:32:05]

josh:

strex, I'm to the point of soldering a switch to the back of the box, that kills power to the VFD when it borks.

[03:33:00]

strex:

josh, damn..

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strex:

josh, have others reported the same problem, elsewhere?

[03:34:10]

josh:

strex, found some vauge reports. there's lots of feedback on my partiular VFD

[03:34:30]

josh:

strex, keep in mind that imon made an LCD and a VFD, they're different and IIRC, use different drivers.

[03:35:30]

strex:

josh, yea I see what you're saying. But damn that sucks..

[03:36:33]

josh:

strex, IMO, the display itself is overrated. I spent a lot of time getting it working, but once it worked, I find myself rarely looking at it.

[03:37:37]

strex:

josh, hehe, I see. I'm liking my LCD, especially with the program information from mythtv, I find it helpful..

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android6011:

what tables stores the source information

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strex:

android6011, no idea, but I'm sure logging into the db with mysqlclient or phpmysql it wouldn't be too hard to find..

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XiXaQ:

I've finally managed to get mythtv up and running.I'm using a Pentium 4, 2.9GHz with 2GB RAM as a backend with frontend. The video and audio is not in sync. Should I expect to get synced a/v when I use another client as a frontend instead?

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strex:

XiXaQ, you should be able to get both on the same machine..

[04:05:20]

XiXaQ:

ok.. What should I look at?

[04:05:20]

strex:

XiXaQ, what kind of tuners are you using?

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XiXaQ:

Pinnacle 110i

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XiXaQ:

it's an analog one.

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strex:

only one?

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XiXaQ:

yes.

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strex:

are video / audio in sync if you watch a pre-recorded show?

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XiXaQ:

with myth?

[04:06:53]

strex:

ya

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XiXaQ:

I haven't been able to watch anything else yet.

[04:07:48]

XiXaQ:

it's about two seconds out of sync, so it's very noticable, but the lag doesn't seem to grow over time.

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strex:

Try recording something (anything) and see if you get the same result when you play it back.

[04:08:50]

strex:

XiXaQ, that's good, you should also be able to adjust the AV sync from the menu options while watching the show..

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strex:

XiXaQ, I believe it's the 'm' key while the show is playing.

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wagnerrp:

XiXaQ: the video and audio is out of sync while watching livetv?

[04:19:52]

wagnerrp:

what about watching a recording?

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wagnerrp:

chances are you have a framegrabber, and have not set it up properly

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wagnerrp:

so you are playing the sound directly, but the video is lagged (because myth has a 2–4s lag depending on recording device)

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wagnerrp:

you need to make sure audio capture in mythtv is set up properly

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wagnerrp:

and that you mute the line input on your sound card, so that you dont get passthrough audio

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strex:

Thanks wagnerrp

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Josh:

Is this bad? DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 3

[04:28:21]

XiXaQ:

strex, wagnerrp: when I record, audio isn't recorded.

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XiXaQ:

can you explain these things? I have no idea what a framegrabber is.

[04:30:11]

Josh:

"conspiracy Fail" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qFdbUEq5s

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XiXaQ:

I did notice somewhere, a question to start recording x seconds earlier, or something? I think I set that to 0.

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Josh:

XiXaQ, a framegrabber is a card that does not have an onboard encoder chip. The CPU is required to encode the video on those cards.

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XiXaQ:

oh, ok. I don't think this card has any hardware acceleration, no.

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Josh:

XiXaQ, the cards with digital tuners are exempt from that description though, because the stream is already in mpeg format, all the tuner has to do is save the file somewhere, no encoding needed.

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bobc:

How do I add fanart/coverart to Watch Recordings programs for themes that support it?

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XiXaQ:

strex, wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

bobc: you simply have it, and the theme tries to match up what artwork it can

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wagnerrp:

XiXaQ: you have a framegrabber, and you have audio being passed through your tuner into your sound card

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wagnerrp:

right now, the only audio you get is what is being passed through the sound card, straight into your speakers

[04:56:43]

wagnerrp:

you need to mute the line-in, so that does not pass through

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wagnerrp:

and you need to program mythtv to use that audio capture device for recordings from that card

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XiXaQ:

but I have no echo?

[04:57:26]

wagnerrp:

ideally... you just give up and buy a digital tuner, or mpeg encoder

[04:57:40]

wagnerrp:

ive never used a framegrabber in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

so i cant really guide you through how to do it

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XiXaQ:

I don't know how to check this. It's a Pinnacle 110i. Could you check, please? :)

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bobc:

wagnerrp: I don't understand. Do I need to download it manually and put it somewhere and it will then show up?

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mycosys:

any of you guys actually used xming to access the backend config?

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wagnerrp:

bobc: it will use files in the naming scheme used by season artwork in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

or there is a mode in JAMU to automatically download images for anything you have recorded

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wagnerrp:

xming?

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mycosys:

Windows X server

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wagnerrp:

so you want to pump mythtv-setup to a remote X server, running on windows?

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mycosys:

uhuh

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wagnerrp:

because certainly youre not trying to run mythtv-setup on windows itself

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mycosys:

i know that :)

[05:02:39]

wagnerrp:

only problem i could see with that is lack of opengl on the windows x server

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wagnerrp:

meaning... 'mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt'

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mycosys:

ahhh – could be it

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bobc:

wagnerrp: I can use Jamu for files in mythvideo, just don't know of how to use it for recordings in watch recordings screen

[05:03:15]

wagnerrp:

bobc: its one of the other command line flags for JAMU

[05:03:17]

wagnerrp:

read the docs

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mycosys:

wagnerrp – _once again_ (for the nth time in the last few years) -tytytytytytytyt – YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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XiXaQ:

wagnerrp, can you recommend one then?

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wagnerrp:

for an mpeg encoder (analog), get a PVR-150 or 500

[05:13:34]

XiXaQ:

hauppage?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

for a digital tuner... cant help you there, im on a different broadcast standard and have completely different cards

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XiXaQ:

expensive?

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wagnerrp:

you can usually find them over here for $20 on ebay

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XiXaQ:

oh.

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mycosys:

do they support PAL?

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wagnerrp:

there are PAL versions, yes

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mycosys:

and do they have a composite in?

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mycosys:

or Svid

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wagnerrp:

svideo

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mycosys:

sweeet – will pass on the recommendation

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wagnerrp:

thats been the recommended analog card for the last several years around here

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mycosys:

some1 on the OCAU forum myth thread was lookin for a good capture card for his satellite box, had checked linuxtv but hadnt found out much

[05:16:54]

XiXaQ:

I found Hauppauge! WinTV-PVR-150MCE. It's about $200 here.

[05:17:19]

wagnerrp:

thats a ripoff, they were $80 retail back when they were still new

[05:18:05]

mycosys:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HP-HAUPPAUGE-WinTV-PVR . . . em3ef6eb8b2a PAL version – $35AU

[05:20:23]

XiXaQ:

http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=315272 <-- It's the same one, right?

[05:23:01]

XiXaQ:

well, the expensive one had a remote, but that shouldn't _that_ expensive.

[05:24:44]

wagnerrp:

they all have a remote

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wagnerrp:

vanilla come with a hauppauge gray remote

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wagnerrp:

MCE come with a mceusb2 remote

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mycosys:

How well do you know them wagnerrp? which of these are they? http://shop.ebay.com.au/i.html?LH_AvailTo=15& . . . auppauge+PAL

[05:29:29]

wagnerrp:

the hauppauge PVR-150 and 500

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter which variant

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wagnerrp:

PAL, MCE, whatever

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mycosys:

handy if they only giv a number like 32559 tho ;)

[05:30:51]

wagnerrp:

if it does not say PVR, dont buy it

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wagnerrp:

the standard wintv tuners are all framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

just search for 'PVR-150'

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wagnerrp:

those are some excessive shipping prices

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mycosys:

shipping to australia from US is shocking

[06:06:07]

wagnerrp:

well i presume that it defaults to shipping to australia

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mycosys:

.com.au, so yep

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wagnerrp:

i doubt many USers are buying from ebay.com.au

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mycosys:

lol

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wagnerrp:

meaning the shipping from au to au was as much as the item on most of those

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mycosys:

it isnt distance tho – it is cheaper to ship 15kg from HK is less than 1kg from US

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mycosys:

those are all from the US dude – none are from AU

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mycosys:

or from EU

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wagnerrp:

seems they are

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wagnerrp:

... ignore me...

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mycosys:

lol

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sphery:

So, I think Emmet Milbarge (actually Tony Hale playing a character named Dr Lazlo) is joining Numb3rs and Dr Larry Flint (Peter MacNicol) is leaving. Morgan Grimes' nemesis seems to be about to replace Dr Larry.

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mycosys:

just pray you never ship OS at your own cost – shipping form US is 3 times shipping form EU, and half the distance

[06:09:56]

sphery:

er, Dr. Larry Fleinhardt

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mycosys:

That woudl eb a DRASTIC change to the show's dynamic :S

[06:11:19]

wagnerrp:

i didnt think he was actually leaving

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sphery:

Have you watched Hydra, yet?

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mycosys:

?

[06:11:48]

wagnerrp:

tv show

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mycosys:

figured that lol

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sphery:

All the clues are there for the "Oh, no, he's leaving, now, and we need a 'nutty' professor to replace him."

[06:12:22]

sphery:

Yeah, Hydra is the most-recent episode

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mycosys:

ahhh

[06:12:42]

sphery:

but, yeah, if it were Larry Flint on Numb3rs it would be a whole other dynamic.

[06:13:05]

mycosys:

numbers isnt showing at the mo here – wonder when we will get it

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wagnerrp:

hey, its only sex

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sphery:

or, Larry Flynt, as the case may be

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wagnerrp:

its a latin number!

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wagnerrp:

does cincinnati really produce a bunch of whackos? or is it just two very visible ones that i think about because theyre from my city?

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mycosys:

what formats will mythvideo handle? specifically will it handle rips of dvds that are in a directory format (as on a disc, ready to burn)?

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wagnerrp:

yes, if you give mythvideo direct file access

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wagnerrp:

it will not work over storage groups

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mycosys:

how does one do that?

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sphery:

heh, it was Cynthia Jane Flynn (which is why I got the names all mixed up)

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sphery:

CJ Flynn was the victim in the episode

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mycosys:

i love lvm2

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mycosys:

am i remembering correctly that if anythign but music files are in the mythmusic directory it will IMMENSELY slow the scans?

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oobe:

mycosys, i have cover.jpg's and playlists other txt files so those should be safe

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oobe:

i cant say anything about video files

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mycosys:

ok – kevs next frustration of the the day – i have a heap of DVDs ripped into the var/lib/mythtv/mythvideo directory. They are in the standard format of a DVD, to play them you go into the directory and open the VIDEO_TS.IFO file, and navigate all the titles etc from the menu. Mythvideo does not see them at all, any clues on what i need to do?

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[R]:

make them into .iso

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mycosys:

i hoped that wouldnt be necessary, makes them a lil inconvenient to load on the win boxen on the network

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mycosys:

my housemate and fiancee arent about to go lin

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mycosys:

is there some way to get mythvideo to see the directory structure? or do i need to transcode to xdiv or something?

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mycosys:

*xvid

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oobe:

[R], is right that is the best way to navigate each dvd use a gui app like k3b

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[R]:

oobe: what?

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oobe:

about making iso's

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oobe:

that's the best way

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oobe:

mycosys, if iso's dont work with your windows apps but do with mythvideo then transcoding to xvid is an option

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oobe:

bare in mind each one will take 1 or more hrs to transcode depending on your chosen qaulity

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ourtv:

i'm running .22 and have some recordings with empty files. trouble is i don't see how to delete them. in .21 the delete recording menu would delete them. in .22 it doesn't. it just says "the File for the recording is empty" also, the delete recordings menu appears to point to the same sub menu as watch recordings

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. wonder if anyone can help me: i'm trying to use mythtv box to connect to my other ubuntu computer. I've managed to browse my mythtv box from my ubuntu machine, by going to places>connect to server. how do i do it the other way round as my mythtv box doesn't have the ubuntu menu to open the application.

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gunni:

MY frontend claims it wants to update mythconverg video scheme from 1024 to 1028, but when clicking "update" it wont update the scheme as on next start the same dialog comes up again. Can i run it manually somehow?

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mycosys:

jeffjeffdejeff – what kind of connection do you want?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi mycosys. well initially i'd like to be able to browse my ubuntu computer using thunar, but then i was thinking about wanting to be able to stream media from my ubuntu machine through to my myth machine

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i can do it the other way round at the moment, but dont know what the equivalent command/program is in xfce. in ubuntu i just go to places>connect to server and put in the ip address of my myth machine

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i can browse my ubuntu machine using the terminal, but would like to be able to drag, drop, double click etc.

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mycosys:

sounds like you want to set up samba on ur ubuntu machine, and install an SMB browser on ur mythbuntu machine

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jeffjeffdejeff:

sounds complicated.

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mycosys:

not hugely

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mycosys:

sudo apt-get install samba gadmin-samba nautilus-share

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mycosys:

that gets u samba and graphical admin tools for the ubuntu box

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mycosys:

tksmb, smbc, xsmbrowser, komba2 are among others, samba browsers u could use on the mythbuntu system

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jeffjeffdejeff:

thanks. just doing apt-get now

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mchou:

wth

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mchou:

mycosys: why would you recommend samba to someone connecting 2 unix machines?

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mchou:

mycosys: dont be a lamer

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jeffjeffdejeff:

what would you suggest mchou?

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mchou:

nfs

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jeffjeffdejeff:

what's that?

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mycosys:

yay for needing identical users etc

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mchou:

faster and lower overhead

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mchou:

dude, it's his media files

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i dont understand why i can just go to "places>connect to server" in my ubuntu machine, and there's no equivalent on myth

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mchou:

mycosys: you daft regarding identical users?

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mycosys:

apparently

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mchou:

mycosys: what is apparent is you're way out of your depth

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jeffjeffdejeff:

ok guys. i appreciate any help given.

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mchou:

jeffjeffdejeff: what the hell are you talking about? myth isn't some sorth of "file system browser"

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mchou:

sort*

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mycosys:

he is possibly right – i have only administered mixed mode networks and web servers, and only for the last couple of decades

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mycosys:

not huge on filesharing between unix machines

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jeffjeffdejeff:

well i can tell this isn't going to be very productive. thanks for your help mycosys.

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mycosys:

welcome mate – may not be the most efficient solution, but it does work, and the sameba system is already up on ur mybuntu system, which is why i assumed it was what u wanted :)

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mycosys:

would have been nice of mchou to elucidate – thought u might have got better help there – only gave 1 option cos after 20 min it looked like you were going to get none :)

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mchou:

I'm gonna point you to water but I'm not gonna bother explaining why you ought to drink

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mycosys:

or bother reading text apparently :)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i appreciate it mycosys. some people don't seem to appreciate that there are people out there who have VERY limited experience and knowledge like myself, who need it explaining to them "why I ought to drink"

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i'll seeya.

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mycosys:

take care :)

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oobe:

i would like to say one thing fart knocker

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oobe:

there are 3 better alternatives to samba

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oobe:

xfs sshfs and now myth storage groups

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oobe:

fart knocker was my one thing but then i added some other things

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mchou:

oh lord

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oobe:

:P

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oobe:

that convo looked heated i had to step in and say somthing silly

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oobe:

but he is gone now

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mchou:

all this crap is explained thoroughly explained in the myth docs

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mchou:

if he can be bothered then good riddance

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mchou:

can't*

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mycosys:

and here starts the convo on why on earth people percieve linux users to think themselves elite, better than all and see them as unhelpful, severely setting bask the cause of FOSS?

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mchou:

elite?

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mchou:

it's not elite to expect people to have read the docs

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mchou:

when he mentioned myth ought to have a menu like "places>connect to other computer" do you even know wth he's referring to?

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mycosys:

uhuh – mythbuntu

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mycosys:

vs ubuntu

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tjcarter:

mchou: you elitist! You are discriminating against illiterates! And windows users!

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mycosys:

vlear if you bother to READ

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mchou:

mycosys: I did read. he just wasnt _specific_

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oobe:

the short version is he said i have trouble using my brain properly and dont know how to do simple things or express myself in a meaningful way please help me and make it snappy

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mycosys:

oobe – i would have put it more like 'i have a life – can you lot that dont point me to the info i need to do this fairly simple task on an unfamiliar system that i am learning WHILE having a life'

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XiXaQ:

I've setup mythtv backend and frontend on the same machine. It's mythbuntu 9.10 rc. I'm able to watch video (though I have to add the channels manually by frequency) In every way, it seems to be working properly, except for audio being out of sync when watching live. I cannot see videos in the configured videos directory. I should be able to just copy files there from outside myth, right?

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oobe:

mycosys, i couldnt of said it better myself

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oobe:

XiXaQ, the videos directory is for mythvideo and yes you can copy files there yourself

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XiXaQ:

strange. I have, but I don't see any in myth. Perhaps I should try some more.

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oobe:

as for audio sync issues go to utils / setup /tv setting /playback settings and expirment with playback profiles and uncheck extra audio buffering or try checking it if its unchecked

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oobe:

XiXaQ, in mythvideo hit the M key then select scan for changes

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XiXaQ:

yes, but that wasn't sufficient. Also, sound isn't recorded when I record shows. I was recommended to mute the direct sound interface when watching tv and make sure sound was recorded and played back instead.

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XiXaQ:

strange. I see none of the files I copy, whether it's music or video.

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thenetgod:

hey?

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XiXaQ:

what kind of a question is that?

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thenetgod:

idk lol

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thenetgod:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10793964 is that a nice stand?

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thenetgod:

trying to build anice home entertainment system

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mycosys:

XiXaQ what kind of tuner are you using?

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mycosys:

and what format are the videos in?

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XiXaQ:

I'm using a Pinnacle 110i tuner and the files are in Ogg V/T

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mycosys:

you have the audio input set to the correct device and input?

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mycosys:

sorry

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mycosys:

must have

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XiXaQ:

I don't know. I think I might have configured it incorrectly since recording doesn't work.

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XiXaQ:

it's using /dev/dsp now.

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mycosys:

should be right, recording mixer set up right?

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mycosys:

using alsa?

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XiXaQ:

I don't know. I'm using mythbuntu.

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mycosys:

yep – would most likely be

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mycosys:

try running alsamixer (in a terminal), hit tab to go to capture, set the capture volume to about 90, and the input source to line in

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mycosys:

_should_ be right, but might need a different input

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mycosys:

where are you?

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mycosys:

it is one hell of a lot easier to set up digital tuning

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XiXaQ:

I'm in Norway.

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XiXaQ:

why?

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mycosys:

A DVB-T tuner would make life easier, a lot easier

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mycosys:

Using the Asus U3100mini myself – very popular over here in australia, great sensitivity and cheap as

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XiXaQ:

yes, but I don't have a few hundred dollars to throw away right now.

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XiXaQ:

I'd rather just use Windows media center.

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mycosys:

U3100mini is $60 australian

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mycosys:

would be about 40 Euros equiv

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XiXaQ:

yes, people tell me that. The cheapest tuner I can find in Norway, costs 650NOK, which is about 120usd.

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XiXaQ:

but you know... TV is just a bonus. I'd like to have a media center for other stuff as well.

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mycosys:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-U3100-MINI-USB-TV . . . em1c0d6e1fde

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XiXaQ:

myth frontend keeps crashing all the time.

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XiXaQ:

and that's hardly the tuners fault.

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mycosys:

ATI video card?

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XiXaQ:

yes, Radeon 9200SE.

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XiXaQ:

you think that could be a problem?

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mycosys:

ATI drivers for linux blow goats

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mycosys:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Proprietary_Driver might help a lil

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. anyone able to help? sound is distorted when playing music – like the volume is up too loud or the speakers are blown. (note – the speakers are fine, this is just what it sounds like)

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi again mycosys. :)

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mycosys:

hey jeff

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mycosys:

try running alsamixer in a console

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XiXaQ:

mycosys, well, I've been using this system with the open driver for a long time without any difficulties. Why should myth crash but no other apps?

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mycosys:

also try [ and ] – they control the volume in myth

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XiXaQ:

oh, I'd love to have an open media center, but I think we have a few years to go before we can have something competitive to MS's solution.

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mycosys:

when myth works it is YEARS ahead

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mycosys:

but you need hardware that suits

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mycosys:

and ATI + linux = trouble

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XiXaQ:

I don't think Linux is the problem when all other software works without any problems?

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mycosys:

if you go an NV 8xxx or newer you even get full decod acceleration

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mycosys:

different display needs, it isnt linux, it is ATI

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jeffjeffdejeff:

mycosys- excellent work. PCM (whatever that is) needed turning down. :)

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mycosys:

intel video does better

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XiXaQ:

so Myth doesn't use the normal Linux drives?

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XiXaQ:

drivers?

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XiXaQ:

or is it just that the demands are heavier than that for any other application?

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mycosys:

it uses some more demanding display access

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XiXaQ:

than what?

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mycosys:

than most apps

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XiXaQ:

anything else? I find it hard to believe.

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mycosys:

it uses XV, overlaying etc

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XiXaQ:

ok, then in order to use Myth, I'll have to buy a new computer, buy a new tvtuner, switch to a different cable network, stop using jpegs for images?

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mycosys:

wouldnt think so

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mycosys:

but the right tuner and the right video card make a big difference

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XiXaQ:

or the right operating system and mediacenter solution.

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XiXaQ:

I think It'd be easier to switch back to Windows and have it up in two hours than replacing all my hardware.

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mycosys:

you cant blame linux that ATI cant make drivers

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XiXaQ:

I'm not. I don't believe it's a driver issue.

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mycosys:

and miss out on a lot of features

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mycosys:

believe what u will

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mycosys:

but why do u think i said ATI as soon as you said mythfrontend crashes?

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XiXaQ:

I've been running this for a few years now, everything from screen capturing to heavy 3D games like Need for Speed.

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XiXaQ:

I don't know. I haven't showed to any logs to indicate it's a driver issue, have I?

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XiXaQ:

can you at least point to some evidence before you tell me to go spend all my savings on an experiment?

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XiXaQ:

and why would opening a JPEG require a new graphics adapter? If that's the case, it really is Myth's fault. I've been using image files with Linux and ATI for many years without any problems until now.

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mycosys:

would say try fglrx driver actually – have got mythfrontend working with it

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XiXaQ:

firefox doesn't require it to open JPEGs though.

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mycosys:

just recently had trouble finding an fglrx driver for 9200 and a current x server

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mycosys:

was crashing using the radeon driver

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XiXaQ:

but why doesn't Firefox crash when opening JPEGs if it's a driver issue?

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mycosys:

why dont apples taste like oranges – they are both fruit

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mycosys:

TOTALLY difent methods dude

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XiXaQ:

ok?

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XiXaQ:

why?

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mycosys:

i cant say for sure – but DO know ATI and linux, myth in particular, are trouble, but that the fglrx driver works better than radeon

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XiXaQ:

you understand why I'm reluctant to buy myself a new pc because you say ATI can't open JPEGs with Linux?

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XiXaQ:

it seems like just ... a very strange guess of some sort.

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XiXaQ:

and if Myth is the only Linux app that can't be run on ATI, then it's very tempting to think maybe Myth is the buggy app.

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mycosys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx#Criticism

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mycosys:

http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html

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XiXaQ:

yes, I know it's not popular and I wouldn't have chosen it myself, but this is what I have.

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XiXaQ:

and in all fairness, for the last few _years_, I haven't had a single problem with it until I installed Myth.

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XiXaQ:

well.. I don't seem to have a problem with it yet, except for the fact that myth frontend goes away without any complains.

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mycosys:

i sounded quite a lot like you a few years ago – i have run all sorts of hardware, pvr software, tuners, vid cards

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XiXaQ:

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that ATI is the problem.

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mycosys:

experience, and that of others

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mycosys:

i HAVE tried ATIs myself

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mycosys:

am a tech by trade, now engineering student – i have dozens of old cards salvaged

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oobe:

XiXaQ, are you using the anolouge part of that pinnacle cause if you are you need to set the sample rate to 32000 for audio to work

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mycosys:

have just gone thru trying to get myth to play nice with a 9200, fortunately my future father in law had other cards round too, and we got it up on a HD3450, tho it doesnt work as well as on an NV 6200

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XiXaQ:

oobe, ah! Thank you. But now, I'm no longer able to run the frontend at all. It just closes.

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XiXaQ:

the only thing I did, was to copy a few JPEGs to /var/lib/mythtv/pictures

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XiXaQ:

I refuse to believe that's ATIs fault.

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oobe:

have you tried running mythfrontend -O Theme=Terra

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XiXaQ:

that works.

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GreyFoxx:

Generally most peoples problems with ATI are issues setting it up, especially for TV output (if you use VGA or DVI you wont experience that) and certain things like Bob 2x deinterlacing failes with certain ATI driver versions and not others. But normal usage should not cause a crash, especially not just viewing a JPG

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oobe:

""

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oobe:

good point

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GreyFoxx:

If yours is crashing just using mythgallery to look at pictures something else is going on... Is it just myth crashing or all of X?

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XiXaQ:

I added the JPEGs back, and with that other theme, I can view them.

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GreyFoxx:

If it's just myth then check the frontends logs

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oobe:

also with reguards to your 110i tuner make sure you select the correct sound device in mythtv-setup its most likely /dev/dsp1

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GreyFoxx:

and if you can reproduce it try to get a backtrace and put in a ticket for someone to check it out

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XiXaQ:

GreyFoxx, I'd love to, but I'd also like to get things working :)

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XiXaQ:

oobe, where do I find those audio settings again? I remember configuring it, but now I can't find it :)

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XiXaQ:

GreyFoxx, only the frontend and after switching theme the way oobe told me, it's working nicely.

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oobe:

it is awkward but in mythtv-setup when you add your tuner make sure it is /dev/dsp1 for audio and in mythfrontend encoder profiles v4l make sure the sample rate is 32000Khz mp3

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XiXaQ:

done. This is exciting. :)

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oobe:

XiXaQ, i have a pinnacle 310i i set it up for test purposes only i.e its not what i use to record with but i know the analouge part of the card wont work at all unless its set this way

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oobe:

or if you have wrong sample rate it appears high pitched chip monk sounds

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XiXaQ:

oobe, it works! Thank you :)

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XiXaQ:

I have to enter all the channels manually though. That's annoying. I don't know why — tvtime is able to scan for channels.

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oobe:

yea this is a known bug

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XiXaQ:

oh.

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oobe:

in .21 you just needed to scan and it found them all

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XiXaQ:

how do I know what I'm using?

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XiXaQ:

do you think I should try with mythbuntu 9.04 instead?

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oobe:

no cause .22 will be released soon anyway

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oobe:

things like the above will be fixed soon enough

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oobe:

and you will get daily updates using mythbuntu repos

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oobe:

http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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XiXaQ:

oh, ok. Not like the other ubuntus where updates are available twice a year?

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XiXaQ:

oh, I have to add it manually?

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oobe:

so in short you will be upgrading .21 to .22 if you dont have it already

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oobe:

yeah that page gives you a deb package that sets up the repo

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oobe:

select .22

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oobe:

mythfrontend --version should confirm you are already using .22

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oobe:

but if you installed 9.10 then its not possible you have .21 anyway

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XiXaQ:

that just focused the running frontend.

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oobe:

hmm

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oobe:

mythfrontend --version

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oobe:

exit your existing frontend then

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XiXaQ:

right, I did that. :)

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oobe:

im guessing its .22

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XiXaQ:

MythTV Branch : tags/release-0-22-rc1

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oobe:

yeah ok

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oobe:

thats cool

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oobe:

install the mythbuntu repos package for daily fixes

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XiXaQ:

should I still install that repo?

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XiXaQ:

:)

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oobe:

yea that way you will get things fixed sooner

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XiXaQ:

it asks if I want _weekly_ update?

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oobe:

i cant remember the exact menu

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oobe:

but it should ask if you want .22 or 21 or trunk

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oobe:

select .22

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XiXaQ:

"Do you want to activate the Weekly Builds updates?" It's all it sais.

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oobe:

select y

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XiXaQ:

I'm asked if I want .22 or .23

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XiXaQ:

and if I want to enable testing.

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XiXaQ:

selected .22

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XiXaQ:

and not testing.

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oobe:

yea thats ok

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oobe:

i think testing is safe too it just adds extra apps

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XiXaQ:

ok, it's installed. No what?

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XiXaQ:

oh, ok.

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oobe:

but doesnt effect your mythtv version

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oobe:

but its optional

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oobe:

if you ever want to go back and change it sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos

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XiXaQ:

oh, ok.

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oobe:

so sound works ok with 110i now?

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XiXaQ:

it does!

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XiXaQ:

however, I still can't find any videos.

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XiXaQ:

do you have time and energy to help me with that as well? :)

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oobe:

sure but im guessing its not really to much problem

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XiXaQ:

tell me what to do :)

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oobe:

in setup / utils / media settings /video settings you should see a page that sets the path for your videos

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oobe:

make sure you are using that path

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oobe:

firstly are u using partitions?

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XiXaQ:

I'm using one disk for / and swap and another for /home

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oobe:

ok well using the default paths should suffice

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oobe:

my choice personally is to have the video folders in separate partitions

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oobe:

so if i ever need to reinstall its not a problem

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oobe:

i only use 20 GB for /

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XiXaQ:

that's what I had in mind as well.

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XiXaQ:

uh.. "Setup / Utils / Media Settings / Video settings"... Where do I find those? :)

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oobe:

i cant remember off hand let me check

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XiXaQ:

oh. "Storage Directories".

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XiXaQ:

you do mean in the backend, right?

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oobe:

page 1

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oobe:

no

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oobe:

mythvideo

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oobe:

but if you added storage groups for video then that may be the problem

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XiXaQ:

uh.. I don't have anything called mythvideo

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XiXaQ:

I haven't added anything. It's standard install.

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oobe:

"Setup / Utils / Media Settings / Video settings" is where you configure mythvideo

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oobe:

what does it say on page 1

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oobe:

what is the path of the video

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XiXaQ:

Where do I find those configurations?

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oobe:

Directories that holds videos

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XiXaQ:

?

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XiXaQ:

"Setup / Utils" etc. Where do I find that?

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XiXaQ:

do you mean the backend setup?

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XiXaQ:

it's configured to use /home/xixaq/Videos and that's where I've added the video files.

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messerting:

Can anyone suggest a good DAB radio that is also able to stream from mythbackend (UPnP) wirelessly over a WPA network?

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oobe:

no i mean in the frontend

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oobe:

ok when you go to mythvideo

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oobe:

press the M key and select scan for media

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oobe:

*scan for changes

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oobe:

Media Library / Watch Videos

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XiXaQ:

yey! :)

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oobe:

this page is also useful http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

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XiXaQ:

I have to refresh it manually every time?

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oobe:

if you add or remove things then yea

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oobe:

much easier than in .21

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oobe:

i heard there not running dollhouse anymore till december then season 2 maybe the last

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oobe:

http://www.afterellen.com/blog/dorothysnarker . . . t-out-sweeps

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XiXaQ:

heh, that last message made absolutely no sense to me. :)

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XiXaQ:

oh, it's a tv series? :)

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XiXaQ:

oh.. I think eveything seems to be working now. What a strange sensation. :)

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XiXaQ:

except for audio in one video, but I think it's broken. Youtube didn't handle it very well either.

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oobe:

glad i could help

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XiXaQ:

I'm really grateful! :)

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XiXaQ:

for every passing minute, I was feeling more and more stupid :>

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XiXaQ:

this log... This log will be guarded. Might even print it out, just in case. :)

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XiXaQ:

next project is to make this box use the internet connection from my mobile phone and bridge it to the LAN, using bluetooth, but that's offtopic for this channel. :)

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XiXaQ:

do frontends stream video and audio over the network, or do they connect using nfs or something? I was wondering how well it would perform over the internet?

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XiXaQ:

oh.. I'd still like to get the remote working. But that's not haste. Now I want to see if I can connect from another machine! :)

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oobe:

getting the remote to work shouldnt be too hard

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oobe:

i may not beable to walk you through each step though as they all differ

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oobe:

connecting from another computer is also easy

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oobe:

however there are many ways to do so

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Josh:

How does one "Run the database and MySQL on a different machine" ?

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oobe:

Josh, you need to install mythtv on the remote machine

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oobe:

i spose it is possible just to have mythconverg installed on the remote machine

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Josh:

I'm just wondering if that's a typo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Performance

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oobe:

what?

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Josh:

that page suggests, ver batim, "Running the database and MySQL on a different machine is another way to alleviate these issues, to ensure consistent performance."

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jams:

it can be done

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sid3windr:

shoudn't that be "running the backend and mysql on a diff.." :)

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oobe:

i see no reason to do it but i cant see why it wouldnt work

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Josh:

sid3windr, that's what I'm interpreting it to mean.

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jams:

it just a matter of changing mysql.txt or config.xml to point to the correct database

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sid3windr:

jams: I think josh knows you can run mysql on a different machine... :)

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jams:

If thats the case, then why ask about it.

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jams:

the wiki entry is about what todo when you have a low powered backend.

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Josh:

jams, I'll just let it go then. To me, it seemed that there was either a typo in the guide, or it was just plain wrong.

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jams:

it may not be wored the best, but it's still valid

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jams:

worded

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jams:

if your looking to change the wiki I would remove the words "and MySQL"

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Josh:

jams, Do I have permission to change the wiki? I'm not a dev...

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jams:

don't know

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jams:

I suppose that line may have been referring to running mythfilldatabase on a seperate machine. But really thats more trouble then it's worth.

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jams:

bah I don't know what the true intent of that sentence was

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Josh:

jams, IMO, they were suggesting to run the backend and mysql on seperate machines.

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Josh:

putting the file operations over NFS on a seperate machine would hurt performance, IMO

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oobe:

modifying my.cnf as suggested on that page has made a significant difference in mythweb speed

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jams:

josh, probably true.

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jams:

guess people read things differently. To me that sentence is fine but would be better if either database or mysql was removed.

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XiXaQ:

when you watch tv from a remote frontend and then record. Is it supposed to be stored on the frontend or the backend?

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jams:

XiXaQ- backend

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jams:

XiXaQ- all recordings, including LiveTV are stored by the backend.

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XiXaQ:

great.

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Josh:

XiXaQ, first timer?

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oobe:

i think he is

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oobe:

i wish i had of read this ages ago http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Perform . . . abase_Tweaks

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oobe:

i think i seen it before but never tried it

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oobe:

the difference is lightening fast

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Josh:

oobe, I made the change, but havent restarted my mysql server yet.

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oobe:

yeah i did

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oobe:

my backend wasnt doing anything

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oobe:

difference for me is everything loads faster in mythweb and recordings seem to load faster too

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XiXaQ:

Josh, yes, I've never been able to use it before. Got some help from people in this channel, and now it's working very well! :)

[15:08:45]

XiXaQ:

as I understand it, there should be a webbrowser somewhere, suitable for use on a tv? I can't find it though. Perhaps that's something I have to install in addition?

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Josh:

XiXaQ, that's one of the plugins – "Mythbrowser"

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Josh:

XiXaQ, what version are you running?

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Josh:

XiXaQ, most likely it's installed as a seperate package on your distro.

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oobe:

hes using mythbuntu

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oobe:

XiXaQ, an easy way to install all plugins is start mythbunut-control-centre and select and install all plugins

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oobe:

in the second section i think unless its changed

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oobe:

else you can sudo apt-get install mythbrowser

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XiXaQ:

ok, I installed it, and I find it in the "Information center".. But how do I use it? It complains about missing bookmarks

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oobe:

all that means is you cant tell it to go to a site unless you manually put the address in then bookmark it

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oobe:

its a lot easier with a keyboard

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XiXaQ:

I have a keyboard.. Heh. how do I use it? :)

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Josh:

Does the MythMusic plugin follow SGs like MythVideo ?

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wagnerrp:

not yet

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Josh:

wagnerrp, okay, so I still need my NFS mounts, at least for that

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, even the mythvideo stuff is somewhat of a 'preview'

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of stuff not working with that

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wagnerrp:

namely, anything working with dvds

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wagnerrp:

oof... filled my array moving files around last night

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messerting:

Anyone running their system (in my case combined FE/BE), on flash storage? (having recordings etc. on conventional HDD)

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messerting:

would it work, or would the logs, mysql, etc etc just tear out the flash memory all too soon?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether youre using a dumb flash card, or a real SSD with wear levelling

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messerting:

I was thinking about a cheap USB flash stick, not SSD

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messerting:

maybe not a very good idea

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messerting:

"Pulseaudio could be a nice system, all it lacks is a easy to find button to turn the whole thing off."

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XiXaQ:

damn... I can watch all my tv channels, except the cool ones. I get irrecoverable recorder errors when I try to watch them.

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oobe:

is anyone familar with nvtv?

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oobe:

i just want to know if it can work with dvi i suspect it cant

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oobe:

XiXaQ, that care you are using isnt ideal for myth its a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

hes been told

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XiXaQ:

oobe, people tell me that, but it's the one I have.

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wagnerrp:

and nvtv is just a media program, just like any other

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason why it couldnt output over DVI

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wagnerrp:

unless of course its DRM-encrippled, and requires an HDCPcapable interface

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oobe:

wagnerrp, im thinking of an nvidia app that allows you to change overscan settings

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oobe:

as seen here http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=TVOverScanHowto

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XiXaQ:

oobe, but I don't really understand it. As I understand it, myth records the tv, then the clients read from the recorded data instead of directly from the source?

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oobe:

yea

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XiXaQ:

as long as tvtime can use those channels, shouldn't myth be able to too?

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wagnerrp:

XiXaQ: correct

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oobe:

well ideally yes

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wagnerrp:

it should, yes

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oobe:

your problem may be scanning

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XiXaQ:

no, I entered the channel numbers manually.

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oobe:

you will have to recheck them then

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XiXaQ:

that is, I scanned using tvtime, then copied the channel numbers it uses into myth.

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XiXaQ:

recheck them?

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oobe:

cause if myth should get anything tvtime can

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oobe:

yeah make sure you have it in correctly

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XiXaQ:

I have.

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XiXaQ:

I receive messages like this every second:

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XiXaQ:

2009-10–25 17:44:35.007 MainServer::ANN Monitor

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XiXaQ:

2009-10–25 17:44:35.075 adding: tzcheck as a client (events: 0)

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XiXaQ:

what's that for? That is, it's written to /var/log/mythbackend.log

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oobe:

i dont know

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oobe:

doesnt look bad though

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oobe:

if i had to guess it looks like there is a time zone app setting up your guide data

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XiXaQ:

strange. I don't get any entries about the irrecoverable recording error.

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oobe:

you might in the frontend logs

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XiXaQ:

I've looked in that also.

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XiXaQ:

I looked in that first.

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lydgate:

anyone here using freeview in the uk

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lydgate:

or freesat

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gpd:

lydgate: yes freeview

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XiXaQ:

seems to have consistent problems with all the "Sx" channels, where X is a number.

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gpd:

possible faq: is 0.22 frontend compatible with 0.21 backend on different machine?

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gpd:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/MythTV-compatibility

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gpd:

that says not – so guess i belive it

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oobe:

http://kuvaton.com/browse/8941/futurepaper.jpg

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josh:

crap I think I set up my analog tuners backwards

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josh:

key i

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josh:

I guess I need to delete cardid 4, and re-create it as cardid 6

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highzeth:

any fellas with Thor 0.8W having issues with 12322000 H 27800000 3/4 today?

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XiXaQ:

hmm. The channels work fine when I enter the frequency manually, instead of entering S-channels.

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XiXaQ:

sometimes the picture gets stretched outside my screen. Any way to prevent that?

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Josh:

So I deleted the input card that correponds to cardid 4, and recreated it as cardid 6

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Josh:

How come it's still showing up 4th in the list?

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wagnerrp:

because you have four cards?

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Josh:

wagnerrp, I have 5.

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Josh:

I just want to make sure that myth attempts to use the analog tuner (cardid 5) before the STB (now – cardid 6)

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Josh:

Nope, it's still using the STB first.

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Josh:

I guess the only way to re-order the preference of the input cards is to delete them all and re-create?

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kirk:

hi. my dvb-t encoders are showing as remote (and not connected) even though I only have one backend/frontend. what makes mythtv think they are remote?

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Josh:

"Max recordings" for each of my HDhomerun's tuners should be set to "1", correct?

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kirk:

I tried deleting them and re-adding in mythtv-setup but with the same result

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[R]:

kirk: the order myth picks tuners is the order you add the inputs

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kirk:

i only have one tuner, with two frontends. which it claims is remote, even though it is not

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Josh:

[R], and there's no way to change that order once it's been established, short of deleting all tuners?

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[R]:

it has nothing to do with the tuners... i just said its the inputs

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wagnerrp:

Josh: this is on trunk?

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kirk:

i deleted all tuners and added it again. it still claims that it is remote (and not connected)

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Josh:

wagnerrp, 0.22-RC

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wagnerrp:

close enough... so the HDHR now supports multirec

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wagnerrp:

you can set max recordings to something >1

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wagnerrp:

presuming you have multiple shows on one multiplex

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Josh:

wagnerrp, what would be the max number of recordings? up to the number available on a partiular multiplex?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is artificially limited to five

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wagnerrp:

chances are, youre not going to have more than that many usable channels on one multiplex anyway

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wagnerrp:

even on digital cable

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Dibblah:

How many people here use sticky ffwd?

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Josh:

Dibblah, I do.

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Dibblah:

VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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** Dibblah wonders if sticky ffwd really needs to skip _so many_ frames. **

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Dibblah:

With VDPAU.

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Josh:

[R], So I just want to verify. I have 5 input connections, in the order listed HDhomerun0,Hdhomerun1,HVR1600(digital), HVR1600(analog), STB.

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kirk:

so, the question remains. what entry in the db makes myth think a capture card is remote?

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[R]:

josh: its the order you connect them

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Josh:

[R], Do you agree that this setup would use the STB last, if the channel required wasnt available on each of the previous inputs first?

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wagnerrp:

kirk: the fact that it is not local

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kirk:

but it is local. i only have one machine

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wagnerrp:

namely, that it is defined with a hostname as something other than the master backend

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wagnerrp:

kirk: you ran mythtv-setup on the master backend?

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wagnerrp:

and you havent changed the hostname since then?

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: You mean that you think it does need to skip so many frames? :)

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kirk:

how is the hostname of the master backend determined then? i can only see the ip

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Josh:

Dibblah, I was reading somewhere about a bug with fast forward and VDPAU.

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kirk:

wagnerrp: i ran it on master backend and hostname has not changed since. no

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: vdpau is not all powerful

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wagnerrp:

it has a limited capacity to decode video

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Dibblah:

Comparatively, it doesn't have to be.

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wagnerrp:

and for HD content, that is only a couple times realtime

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Dibblah:

(At least for mpeg2)

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Josh:

That's weird, increasing "Max Recordings" increases the number of tuners listed in 'System Status'

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wagnerrp:

meaning for mpeg2, a decent processor is actually FASTER at decoding than VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

basically, the faster you want to decode, the faster and/or larger the chip has to be

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wagnerrp:

nvidia chose something that was 'good enough'

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wagnerrp:

and all decoders in all VDPAU chips are equally 'good enough'

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wagnerrp:

(sure some are technically better because they do the VC1 bitstream decoding in hardware)

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Dibblah:

Interesting.

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Dibblah:

Hacking the code says otherwise.

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Dibblah:

(At least on a 220)

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kirk:

I just deleted and re-added my tuner on master backend again. the encoder is still showing as remote

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Dibblah:

(_for SD only_)

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wagnerrp:

for standard definition, you should be able to manage several dozen times realtime

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wagnerrp:

but whats the purpose?

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre still going to be limited to 60hz

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wagnerrp:

so you still have to drop frames

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wagnerrp:

and if youre pumping 60 completely separate frames on screen per second

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wagnerrp:

thats more than the mind can process

[19:26:36]

wagnerrp:

youll never be able to tell where you are

[19:26:40]

Dibblah:

You use sticky ffwd?

[19:26:47]

Dibblah:

I get approx 3 fps.

[19:27:00]

Dibblah:

Which is not good at seeing where you are _either_.

[19:27:15]

wagnerrp:

i get like 10fps

[19:27:25]

Dibblah:

I'm not talking 60fps*ffwd speed.

[19:27:40]

Dibblah:

(BTW, ffwd speed is actually wrong with PAL)

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wagnerrp:

when i fast forward through mpeg2 recordings, i see something like 10fps

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kirk:

any hints on how to make my remote encoder local?

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup (on the master backend), delete all tuners, and re-add them

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: Oh, bugger.

[19:43:33]

Dibblah:

You're in NTSC land, aren't you?

[19:43:40]

wagnerrp:

yes

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kirk:

wagnerrp: i have. five times now

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Dibblah:

That explains it.

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Dibblah:

rate: 25 speed: 20 skip:90

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Dibblah:

... This is based on frame rate assumptions.

[19:44:32]

Dibblah:

Let's try changing some magic values.

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Dibblah:

So what you see on non-30 f(rames)ps material is _really_ jerky ffwd.

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Dibblah:

Absolutely unnecessarily, apart from the apathy thing :)

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Dibblah:

I believe. Checking my assumptions with code now.

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Dibblah:

Nah. It's not that simple. But I see 2–3fps.

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kirk:

wagnerrp: I found the culprit. for some reason my hostname has changed from Pepperoni to pepperoni, which confused myth.

[19:53:06]

kirk:

thanks for the help

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Josh:

This is frustrating. I deleted all my cards, and entered them again, then lnked them with each of my sources in the order that i want them used. When I enter a channel both available on the STB and the analog tuner, it still uses the STB first.

[20:04:16]

[R]:

then you aren't connecting the inputs in the correct order

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Josh:

[R], "connecting inputs" == associating a capture card with a source?

[20:06:04]

[R]:

no... assocating an input with a source

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Josh:

[R], okay, in "input"

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Josh:

they are listed – and were connected – in the order I would like for them to be used.

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Josh:

and the backend is still using the STB first.

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[R]:

then myth things the channel si only available on the stb

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[R]:

thinks*

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Josh:

hmm.

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Josh:

[R], I'm tryinig to watch "channel 32", lets see what sources that channel is available on.

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Josh:

Okay, 32 is "ABC Family" available on both the "STB Digital" and "Analog Tuner" sources.

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[R]:

for myth to acknowledge the same channel is available across 2 inputs

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[R]:

the callsign has to match

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[R]:

i always make the number, the callsign, and the name match

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Josh:

[R], callsign for both is ABCF, name is "ABC Family" and number is 32

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[R]:

if you hit the switch tuner button

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[R]:

does it tune to the channel on the other input?

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Josh:

Just a second, let me start the backend back up

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Josh:

frontend segfault, one more second

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Josh:

I forget, is it Y or V?

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Josh:

looks like it's Y

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Josh:

[R], Okay, I pressed Y while watching the STB channel 32, and nothing happened at all.

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[R]:

then it ws the wrong key

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Josh:

okay, just a seond

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Josh:

I have two bindings, "Next Input" and "Next card"

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Josh:

Oh, I have one for "Next Video Source" also, but it's already bound to Y

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oobe:

Y and V are for PIP

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Josh:

oobe, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings – Y says "switch between multiple capture cards"

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oobe:

yea but while you are running pip

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oobe:

as you turn on pip

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oobe:

then switch between the tuners

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Josh:

oobe, that's all I can find regarding switching during tv playback.

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oobe:

if you want to switch tuners during playback hit the m key

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oobe:

it will show you tuners and video sources

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Josh:

okay, i switched to the Analog HVR1600 card, now I'm watching the same program on chanel 32

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oobe:

but looking at that page i was wrong you were right Y should switch tuners

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Josh:

I still don't see where the issue is

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gbee:

bindings change from version to version, I wouldn't trust a wiki page to reflect 0.22 yet

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wagnerrp:

gbee: which bindings?

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wagnerrp:

oh, keybindings

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oobe:

good point gbee

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brad2:

Does anyone have any advice on transcoding hd-pvr recordings to ipod? Should I still be using nuv-export?

[21:36:59]

Josh:

How can I make the analog portion of my HVR-1600 card use 48000 hz audio rather than mythtv's default 32000 ?

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squish102:

what schedules mythfilldatabase? is it the backend? mine for some reason stopped filling

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[R]:

squish102: the backend can... if you set it up properly

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squish102:

ok, it was working fine for over 2 years, and i wonder what made it stop

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[R]:

well it depends on how you set it up

[21:48:16]

squish102:

ok, i'll dig.. i don't remember anymore

[21:51:40]

Josh:

Grr... I know enough to know what needs done, I just don't know enough yet to do it myself

[21:52:48]

Josh:

my capturecard won't do audio if the frequency rate is anything other than 48000

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[21:53:10]

Josh:

but when I try to view something in mythtv, mythtv changes the frequency rate to 32000

[21:53:45]

Josh:

In the recording profiles, the sampling rate for the mpeg-2 hardware encoder is already set to 48000. Something's making it change

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Dagmar:

Josh: Go run mythtv-setup and make certain you're actually changing the settings for the _card_

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Josh:

Dagmar, there are no settings for the IVTV mpeg encoder cards that I see.

[21:59:03]

Josh:

so audio sampling frequency doesnt matter

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Josh:

it must be the bitrate

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Dagmar:

There _are_ settings for ivtv cards in mythtv-setup.

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Dagmar:

The cards themselves to all the encoding.

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Josh:

Dagmar, "actually changing settings for the _card_" — You're trying to tell me to verify that I'm in "2. Capture Cards", right?

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Josh:

Dagmar, because I'm only given two options, "Video Device" and "Default Input"

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squish102:

does anyone think this would be OK for a cheap FE http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119011

[22:07:29]

squish102:

$86 – Foxconn RS233 ITX-Barebone Intel 945GC 1 x 240Pin Intel GMA 950 Black & Silver Barebone – Atom 1.6

[22:10:03]

Dagmar:

Josh: I suspect you've configured it as a V4L device, which is wrong. there's a special option just for ivtv cards that says pvr-x50/500 or something like that

[22:10:28]

Dagmar:

I'm very sure there's settings for telling the card what bitrates to sample at, because I have a PVR-500 and I've wiped and reinstalled dozens of times

[22:11:00]

Dagmar:

Tell the ivtv card to encode to 48000 for _all_ it's recorder settings if your sound card can't do anything but 48k output

[22:11:13]

Dagmar:

It's not like audio takes up much space compared to video.

[22:12:34]

Josh:

Dagmar, I've cycled though all the available options, you're right, there *used* to be the one that said "PVR-x50/500", but there's no option any more that says that.

[22:12:54]

Josh:

Dagmar, there's V4L device and IVTV-based device

[22:13:18]

Josh:

Dagmar, I'm currently using the IVTV selection, and that's the one that only gives me two options.

[22:13:32]

Dagmar:

Looks like your install is broken then

[22:13:42]

Josh:

Dagmar, fresh 0.22-RC install.

[22:13:50]

Josh:

Dagmar, thanks for trying at least.

[22:13:51]

Dagmar:

...because I'm quite sure Myth has these settings

[22:14:11]

Dagmar:

I haven't done 0.22 yet at all

[22:14:22]

Dagmar:

If it's not working for you, feel free to fall back to 0.21-fixes until it's sorted

[22:14:54]

Josh:

Dagmar, It's working now. I just had to change the recording profiles for those cards to use the correct sample rate and bitrate.

[22:15:08]

Dagmar:

>.<

[22:16:12]

Josh:

Now, back to the originl problem.

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analogue:

after having googled for this extensively and checking the mailing list archives, does anyone have any tips for fix HD streams from "excessive" bufferring pauses? possibly due to too small of a REQUEST_BLOCK size during FILE_TRANSFER

[22:17:43]

Josh:

"Thank you for calling Comcast! – You may now hang up the phone...." *click*

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sphery:

analogue: did you look through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause ?

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Guest49744:

hello all, I just have a few questions if anyone has a minute

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analogue:

sphery:lemme take a look

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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Guest49744:

Basically, I want to know what the options are for directv hr22 and mythtv. Ie can I watch the channels? Can I watch HD channels? How do I change the channels?

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wagnerrp:

hr22... is a set top box?

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Guest49744:

hr22 is the directv hd-dvr

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wagnerrp:

to mythtv, there is no difference between a DVR and a STB

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wagnerrp:

since it cannot access any of the recordings on the DVR

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wagnerrp:

so, you get an IR blaster to control the STB

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wagnerrp:

(change channels and such)

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wagnerrp:

and then get an analog capture device to record from it

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Guest49744:

I don't care about the current recordings. What about hd? is it possible? From what I understand it is not

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wagnerrp:

for analog, you can use any V4L compatible capture card

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wagnerrp:

although the IVTV mpeg encoders are by far recommended

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wagnerrp:

for HD, your only option is the hauppauge HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

and then only using 0.22

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wagnerrp:

the current release version does not have support for that device

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, you either need an nvidia video card with VDPAU support, or a very high clockrate CPU to decode the recordings

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Guest49744:

ok, that's what I thought. I just wanted to talk to some people more experienced than myself to make sure

[22:39:23]

Guest49744:

what do you mean by decode the recordings?

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wagnerrp:

you want to play them at some point, right?

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Guest49744:

ok, yeah I get what you mean now

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Guest49744:

so to make sure I understand:

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR outputs single sliced h.264

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wagnerrp:

which means decoding will be single threaded

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wagnerrp:

and it takes a fairly beefy processor to do 13mbps h264 single threaded

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Guest49744:

I can connect the svideo or component or coax output of the hd22 to a capture card, use a ir blaster to control the channels and then a fairly beefy pc/video card to decode the content

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wagnerrp:

for standard definition, you would get an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 at 4–6mbps

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wagnerrp:

takes nothing to decode

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wagnerrp:

for high definition, you would get an hdpvr, which takes either a beefy processor, or a VDPAU capable video card

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Guest49744:

I already have a haupage (however you spell it) pvr-350

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wagnerrp:

that would be an nvidia 8+ series

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sphery:

PVR-350 will only do standard definition

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sphery:

as he mentioned, you need HD-PVR to do high-definition

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Guest49744:

for high definition I thought the hauppauge HDPVR is the only option?

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sphery:

right

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Guest49744:

it basically taks the component out from the hd-dvr correct?

[22:45:03]

sphery:

and if you use the PVR-350, don't use the TV out/decoder on it (it's not worth it)

[22:45:06]

wagnerrp:

correct

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Guest49744:

you mean coax out from the hd-dvr?

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wagnerrp:

component +LR audio or digital

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wagnerrp:

he means the video output of the 350

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wagnerrp:

the 350 has a hardware mpeg2 decoder and video output device

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wagnerrp:

dont use it

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sphery:

yeah, the video output of the PVR-350 is the S-Video output

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Guest49744:

ah, I gottcha. Use the output of the video card instead

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sphery:

it's garbage (since about 2001)

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sphery:

used to be useful, but not anymore

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sphery:

CPU's and GPU's can do the job it used to do much better

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Guest49744:

I have an nvidia 5200 and a built in ati card, don't remember what model the at is. I can get another video card if need be

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sphery:

5200 is good

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sphery:

as long as you have a sufficiently powerful CPU to decode your video (which, IMHO, is always best, anyway)

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Guest49744:

right now I have a amd 3200, I have another spare pc that is more powerfull also

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wagnerrp:

XP3200?

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Guest49744:

do you guys recommend the open source drivers or the proprietary ones?

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wagnerrp:

plenty for HD mpeg2, woefully inadequate for what the hdpvr pumps out

[22:49:57]

wagnerrp:

proprietary ones, absolutely

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Guest49744:

amd 939 3200

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wagnerrp:

ah... position still stands

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Guest49744:

the other pc is intel e8200

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sphery:

yeah, it takes a very beefy processor for HD-PVR output decode

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wagnerrp:

what speed is the 8200?

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Guest49744:

btw, thank you all so much for helping me.

[22:52:23]

sphery:

looks like Wofdale 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo

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wagnerrp:

that could probably manage ~12mbps, but would probably fall shy of max bitrate recordings

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sphery:

which, IIRC, would be borderline for HD-PVR output decode

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Guest49744:

IntelÂ® Coreâ„¢2 Duo Processor E8200 (6M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)

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Guest49744:

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Guest49744:

I also have a dc e8400 but it's my main machine. It runs well so I don't really want to replace it. what proc would you guys recommend if I wanted to buy a new one?

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sphery:

might need to tune your OC skills to get that one working the way you'd probably want for a Myth box with HD-PVR

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Guest49744:

less than $200 that is

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, the fastest dual core you can get is ideal for playback

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sphery:

(that one = E8200--overclocked might be good for HD-PVR)

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Guest49744:

not much of an overlcocker but might be willing to give it a try. I just don't have much time like I used to

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sphery:

The 8400 at 3GHz probably wouldn't be too bad (as long as you're not a big fan of timestretch), but I can't guarantee it. Could even upgrade the desktop and roll the 8400 down.

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wagnerrp:

when the ffmpeg-mt stuff goes through (by 0.23 if were lucky) that will change to any quad core

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wagnerrp:

but i wouldnt expect that until at least 0.24

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sphery:

from what I understand, any dual core should be fine

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sphery:

I'd expect the multithreaded stuff for 0.24, though

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sphery:

(especially if we keep to the shorter release cycle plan)

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Guest49744:

also, this brings up another question I had. If I have another box say in the bedroom does it also need to be pretty beefy also or does the main backend do the decoding?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but a 45w quad core >> 65/95/125w dual core

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wagnerrp:

all frontend do the decoding, all the time

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Guest49744:

I have no problems getting a quad core if that's the way to go.

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wagnerrp:

0.23 is expected to have an internal refactoring of recordings

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wagnerrp:

such that you can have multiple videos attached to a single recording

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Guest49744:

cool, that's what I needed to know.

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sphery:

for now, high-gigahertz cores are far more important than multiple cores

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wagnerrp:

so you could have a job running on the backend that transcodes down to something more easily playable

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sphery:

so dual core is generally a better choice, right now, for the money

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Guest49744:

cool, very good info.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: speaking of 45w, I /still/ can't find a 240e at a place I trust.

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Guest49744:

is there a way to have mythtv view content streamed from a windows 7 machine? I was just wondering since I already have one setup

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sphery:

CIFS

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sphery:

just mount a windows share and let MythVideo play the videos

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Guest49744:

so just share the file on the windows box and map it on the mthybox

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Guest49744:

cool, I read some stuff about the universal pnp that windows 7 uses and wondered if it applies to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

windows media player supports UPNP in vista and 7

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sphery:

Myth is not a UPnP client--only a server

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wagnerrp:

so recordings, videos, and music can be streamed from mythtv to any WMP

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Guest49744:

sweet

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, I'm thinking of giving up on my 240e dream and just going for a 240

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Guest49744:

here's a good review of some processors. It's amd focused, which is perfectly ok with me. http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/pr . . . _435_13.html

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wagnerrp:

Guest49744: he was waiting for the 45w versions

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Guest49744:

they are listed in the review

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wagnerrp:

and not yet available

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Guest49744:

yes, that is true

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MrMonkeyMan:

other than the HD HomeRun, which HD video capture "cards" are people using these days?

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[R]:

MrMonkeyMan: any ATSC tuner

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wagnerrp:

looks like OEMs have them

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[R]:

or QAM

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MrMonkeyMan:

can you suggest one/some that are closer to hassle free?

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR is fairly hassle free

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MrMonkeyMan:

yeah, was going to see if there was anything in the HomeRun ballpark (I made a funny)

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MrMonkeyMan:

a little cheaper would be nice

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1250 is pretty painless

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wagnerrp:

loaded the proper kernel modules and everything just worked

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MrMonkeyMan:

I see some pretty sketchy reviews on that card

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

any commentary on the digital side?

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the analog is pretty mediocre

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wagnerrp:

but thats moot, because it doesnt work in linux anyway

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MrMonkeyMan:

cool

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MrMonkeyMan:

50 is pretty reasonable as well

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wagnerrp:

ive got one, and have no complaints

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wagnerrp:

but then i had no intention of using the analog framegrabber either

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Guest49744:

anyone using bluray? If so what is the lowest processor that can handle it?

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wagnerrp:

pretty much anything quad core

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wagnerrp:

or a very high end dual core

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brad2:

wagnerrp: would you suggest quad-core for a myth box? I always thought the extra cores would be wasteD?

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Guest49744:

video card doesn't really matter correct?

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android6011:

does the backend use mencoder to record shows?

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wagnerrp:

the backend uses the backend to record shows

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wagnerrp:

Guest49744: mpeg2 is single threaded, single-sliced h264 is single threaded

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android6011:

so it has its own custom written recording functions?

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wagnerrp:

some DVB broadcasts are multi-sliced h264 allowing multithreaded decoding

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wagnerrp:

all bluray will be multisliced h264 or vc1, allowing multithreaded decoding

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sid3windr:

does decss do bluray yet?

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wagnerrp:

why would it? bluray does not use css

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wagnerrp:

and no, there is no useful BD+ decryption in linux

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Guest49744:

so a quad core will help greatly with blu ra?

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