Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 24th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Dibblah:

Again, it's not something that can be discussed here.

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samlander:

okies

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samlander:

sorry mang, didnt mean to strike a nerve

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tmkt:

2any idea why my remote takes a minute or 2 to start working once the fe starts up?

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Josh:

But then again, what legitamite user spells it like "dcrypt"

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Josh:

that's script kiddie talk, foo.

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samlander:

josh: one who's figners type to fast

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samlander:

fingers

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Josh:

haha

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samlander:

im a software developer by trade, i dont take kindly to pirate anything

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** Josh puts his hand down and sits back down. **

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Josh:

Can someone explain to me the difference between "mpeg", "off-air" and "dvb" channels that are all found using *one* channel scan on my ATSC HDhomerun?

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Josh:

I interpret *off-air* as static, is that correct?

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Josh:

so I don't want to add those...

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Dagmar:

Question about thie jobqueue business

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Dagmar:

Is it actually possible (or reasonable) to take the jobqueue off the backend server entirely?

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Dibblah:

mpeg = no proper service information tables – Tuned to the only existing video / audio PIDs.

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Josh:

Dibblah, Huh? So "mpeg" is bad also?

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Dibblah:

Not bad, just not standard.

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Dibblah:

Generally, AFAIK, you shouldn't see it in a real environment.

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: To what end?

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kormoc:

Dagmar: Aye, should be fine

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Josh:

Dibblah, Shouldn't see them in an _ideal_ environment, rather?

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Dibblah:

Meh. Possibly.

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Damned if I know, but someone added a mention of them to the overview page and left a seeming conflict in about them

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Dibblah:

The jobqueue is tiny.

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Dagmar:

I'm just trying to square up the documentation

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sphery:

For kormoc: http://www.coolstuffexpress.com/bacon-soap.html?feed=Froogle or, if you don't want the easy way out: http://www.blogadilla.com/2008/09/04/how-to-m . . . ctual-bacon/

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Dibblah:

It _could_ make sense to stop having a dedicated long-term thread for it, though.

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm mainly wondering if it's something that a "normal" user would consider doable

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Dibblah:

Spinning it out just makes it bigger.

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kormoc:

sphery: hahaha

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Link?

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kormoc:

Dagmar: Sure, set the max number of jobs on the backend 0 and run the job queue on another box, bingo, done

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview#Database_Server

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Dibblah:

... And make sure to disable realtime commflagging.

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Dagmar:

Obviously

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Dibblah:

Since ISTR that'd break.

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Dagmar:

I'm nt documenting how to do that tho, just trying to get rid of the conflicting information

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Dagmar:

Their existance somewhat breaks mah organizational flow

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Dagmar:

Meh I'm yanking the section for that reason

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at the gentoo hate **

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kormoc:

Gentoo doesn't even ship 5.4 afaik...

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kormoc:

or 6...

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Dagmar:

Mention of the jobqueue has no common context with the other three pieces

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kormoc:

or even 5.1

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Dagmar:

kormoc: It was pretty much always Gentoo users who were coming in here with heinously broken things because they were trying to run bleeding edge everything

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Dagmar:

By and large distros seem to know better than to ship unstable mysql packages

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kormoc:

Yeah, that's changed a fair bit over the past few months and given Gentoo doesn't even ship the stated versions, makes very little sense

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Dibblah:

Yeah. Even though they're masked AND ~, mad people still emerge them.

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kormoc:

Dibblah: they're not in my portage tree to unmask

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kormoc:

Dibblah: mysql-5.0.84.ebuild is the latest they're shipping

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kormoc:

Unless you're talking community, in which is 5.1.21, but still, fairly stable and common

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Dibblah:

And to be fair, it wasn't Gentoo that shipped the only package that managed to not include MMX.

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kshots:

I'm having a bizarre issue... I have a backend running trunk r22535... and it appears to be recording properly. However, my frontend cannot see the recordings – only the live TV stuff. Looking at my recordings folder, there are files of an appropriate length and time stamp... but nothing on the frontend

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Dagmar:

!@#!@@ the thing doesn't let me comment sections out. Ah well

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Dibblah:

("Why are all my people blue"?

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kormoc:

I don't mind the version warning, the specific gentoo point I just don't think is fair

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Josh:

Dibblah, okay, it's done with the scan. The first prompt is "16 non-conflicting ATSC channels" I'm assuming those are ideal to have?

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Dagmar:

Well, yank it thne

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Dagmar:

It's really not a big deal

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Dibblah:

Josh: I don't have ATSC, so I really can't comment.

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kormoc:

Dagmar: I'll conflict with you if I do (assuming you're actively editing), so I'll wait or if you wanted to do it, that'd be cool

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Dibblah:

I also haven't scanned since I upped to Trunk ;)

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Josh:

Just a minuite, let me post the full breakdown

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kshots:

Josh: That seems normal to me

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Dagmar:

Only reason I threw it in there is because it's more or less common knowledge that those people typify the rare bird that tries to have the highest-numbered everything possible, whether or not it makes any sense

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Okay I'll yank it then

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Josh:

Here's the full results. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1640974

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kormoc:

Dagmar: Heh, there's been less of a problem with those suckers when Gentoo went out of fashion, thank god

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Josh:

I'm assuming I want ATSC, unsure about DVB and SCTE, and I doubt I want MPEG.

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Josh:

my cableco yanked QAM programs of all but the ones required OTA.

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Dibblah:

Yeah, they're all using Ubuntu now.

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kshots:

kormoc: what would you recommend using if not gentoo? USE flags tend to be a good thing

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kshots:

as I understand it, sabayon also supports USE flags

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Dibblah:

... And moaning that Pulseaudio doesn't work when they added the my-bleeding-pulse PPA.

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kormoc:

kshots: Ooh, I love gentoo, but it's not for folks who don't want to be administrators

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Dibblah:

It's also not for folks that want instant gratification.

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kshots:

kormoc: definately true

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kshots:

So... is the issue I posted above unique, or are others seeing similar issues?

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kormoc:

kshots: sounds like you have the recording filter on the frontend set to livetv

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kormoc:

as to how to fix, sphery?

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Dibblah:

kshots: m for menu, change group filter.

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kormoc:

there ya go!

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kshots:

cool, I'll check it out :)

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sphery:

kshots: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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sphery:

I was slacking...

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kshots:

ah, got it... I didn't even realize there was such a setting – must have bumped it in my earlier fiddlings

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Josh:

WHAT?!?1

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Josh:

hah

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Josh:

the master backend's timezone ID is set to "CST6CDT", but the frontend is "America/Chicago"

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Josh:

so it wont let me connect :)

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sphery:

Josh: you need them to be the same--those 2 are different and have different times throughout history

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sphery:

Josh: the /best/ approach is to actually change the time zone on both systems to be the same. If you can't do that, you can ensure you properly configure the environment before running /any/ and /every/ MythTV app on the one that's wrong: export TZ="America/Chicago"

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RDV_Linux:

Anybody using successfully using Ubuntu 9.10 and a HD-PVR recording device? I plan on upgrading to 9.10 RC tomorrow. I assume that I will not need to compile the HDPVR driver anymore.

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Dagmar:

If you're actually in North America, then America/Chicago is technically "more correct" than CST6CDT

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux: know the kernel version?

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iamlindoro:

2.6.31, so yes

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sphery:

Dagmar: exactly--as CST6CDT is only correct from now until the last time it changed (in 2007?)

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iamlindoro:

(or rather, no, you won't need to compile)

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: iamlindoro types faster than me

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kshots:

RDV_Linux: 2.6.30 comes with the hd-pvr module built-in

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Dagmar:

sphery: Notably, CST6CDT is relatively unaffected by whatever crackheaded ideas US Senators have come up with

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Dagmar:

...and is still going to be just as valid in Mexico as it was without them.

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sphery:

CST6CDT just uses the "current" definition of when the switch to DST is made and extends it back for eternity

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RDV_Linux:

thanks. Still interested in someone that already has upgraded and has a HDPVR

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mycosys:

Hey guys – what can i pass to the frontend on the command line to make it startup on second screen – is there a command line reference somewhere?

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Dagmar:

huh?

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Dagmar:

what "second screen"

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mycosys:

the physical second display on my machine *sigh*

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mycosys:

tell it to use screen 1, rather than screen 0

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Dagmar:

The same way you always do

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Dagmar:

You set the DISPLAY= variable

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sphery:

DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend or change the "Display on screen" setting in mythfrontend settings or change the "GUI X/Y offset" appropriately

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sphery:

one of the 3 will work

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sphery:

possibly more

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Dibblah:

mycosys: The answer depends on your driver.

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Dagmar:

It all depends on how you set up X

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sphery:

not all are guaranteed to work

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Dagmar:

For this, you probably want X thinking you have two entirely independent displays

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Dibblah:

Some optionally present one big screen, some separate displays, some a mixture.

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: You can't do that with Intel, at least.

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Dagmar:

Huh?

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Dagmar:

They won't let you drive their video cards that have multiple outputs as if they were separate?

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Dagmar:

That kinda... sucks.

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kormoc:

You sure?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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kormoc:

I was fairly sure I've done that with the i810...

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Dagmar:

I mean I had to go through kind of a fight with my Vaio to get it running the external display as a second one, but I did it.

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kormoc:

ooh wait, that was the i810 + an nvidia

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Dagmar:

That thing is centrino all the way through

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Dibblah:

"No support for "zaphod mode" dualhead. This is the mode in which two..."

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Dibblah:

... Instead, only "MergedFB-style" dualhead is supported."

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Dagmar:

Zaphod mode is something else entirely

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Dagmar:

Thats' two screens, two mice, two keyboards, two users

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Dagmar:

two or more

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Dagmar:

Looks like it only affects the Xorg driver for intel.

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Dagmar:

No idea who uses that

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Dibblah:

70% of all desktops sold.

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Dagmar:

This is not the same thing as Intel's proprietary driver

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

This is the readme from the xorg shipping driver.

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

I see that.

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Dagmar:

It's not the driver Intel is shipping that I use tho'.

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Dibblah:

How exactly is it proprietary?

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Dagmar:

http://intellinuxgraphics.org/

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Dibblah:

Uhuh?

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Dagmar:

Wait that might be the wrong site

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Dibblah:

It's hosted on freedesktop.org.

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Dibblah:

I don't see how you get any more open.

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Dibblah:

0 blob, 0 glue, all open source. The bits that are released, at least.

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Dagmar:

Either way

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Dagmar:

i've got a different driver that I downloaded from Intel's site.

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Dagmar:

It's not the one Xorg ships.

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Dagmar:

It does dual-head configs

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Dibblah:

Oh. The <=i915 one.

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Dagmar:

I wonder if they merged the bloody things

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kormoc:

They did, http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.a . . . amp;lang=eng

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Dagmar:

I haven't had to screw with it in awhile because it just works

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kormoc:

down to the i810 now

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Dagmar:

If they dropped support for that then it looks like they just b*ttf*cked "70% of all desktops sold"

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Dagmar:

Go them.

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Dagmar:

Personally, I believe that 70% figure to be crap

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Dibblah:

... And since 95% of those desktops will be running Windows...

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Dagmar:

Much like the number of people who supposedly use Bing as their primary search engine

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kormoc:

and 95% of the 5% will be using mergedFB....

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Dagmar:

Microsoft rolls out an update that changes the default search provider.

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Dagmar:

Instantly they have big numbers.

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Dibblah:

Uhm... It doesn't change.

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Dagmar:

Big accomplishment getting people who barely know what a search provider is to notice, let alone switch on their own

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Dibblah:

MSN search == Bing.

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: The way they tout it to the press is as if all those people decided that Bing was better than everything else

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Dibblah:

Oooooh!

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Dagmar:

...when in reality it's just the welfare search engine.

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Dibblah:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20664

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Dibblah:

OpenGL VSync fix. Finally.

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** Dibblah should really try Karmic on these i945 frontends. **

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Dibblah:

Oh. Or install these geforce 220s that I've ordered :)

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Josh:

uh-oh

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Josh:

fuxxy@slider-ubuntu:~/release-0-22-fixes/mythplugins$ ./configure --enable-vdpau --disable-distcc

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Josh:

test: 454: 5: unexpected operator

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mycosys:

no x server – it is a windows machine – will have to hunt for an option in appearance or general i spose

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kormoc:

win32/64? there is no way to

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mycosys:

winXP

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mycosys:

32

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mycosys:

build of 20847

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kormoc:

yeah, we don't hook into the display manager to get that info

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mycosys:

it says using display 0, jus wanted to change that to 1 ;)

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mycosys:

well, if i cant i will just have to reconfigure win to treat my secondary screen as my primary – just REALLY annoying because stuff pops up on display 1

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mycosys:

hopefully someday voice recognition on lin will come of age an i can drop win – sometimes feel a bit of a hypocrite when i point out to so many peeps they can lose 'doze lol

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iamlindoro:

someday someone will actually find a use for voice recognition that is applicable to the average person... until then, no skin off my nose

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Dagmar:

If they're too damn lazy to type, they need to stay with the Fisher-Price operating system.

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sphery:

mycosys: I don't know how Windows does dual monitors, but if it's just "one big screen", just set appropriate GUI X/Y offsets (so, for a 1st monitor of 1280x1024, use X offset of 1281 and Y offset of 0 (or whatever for Y, depending on where 0 would be)

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sphery:

of course, that's assuming that the offset code isn't just #ifdef'ed out for windows

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mycosys:

I am not the average person – i am arthritic :) But machine automation via voice command is rather handy either way.

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mycosys:

sphery – can you do negative offsets?

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mycosys:

that said – didnt people once say the same thing about the mouse?

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iamlindoro:

No?

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mycosys:

one thing that S#!ts me to tears about myth in fact is the fact that full gui is needed to even run the backend config – i like to admin over ssh

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GreyFoxx:

then use vnc, xforwarding or something similar

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mycosys:

iamlidoro – yes they did – 15–20 years back

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GreyFoxx:

you don't have to physically go to the screen

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iamlindoro:

The mouse's utility was immediately obvious in a GUI. Who ever said the mouse wasn't useful?

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mycosys:

there is no reason for it tho

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sphery:

mycosys: yeah, negative works, too

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iamlindoro:

Also, voice command has been around for 15+ years... by that time, the mouse was mainstream-- voice control has not become so-- because it's a) inaccurate, and b) infinitely slower than using a mouse and/or keyboard

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't had to put a monitor on a backend other than during reinstall or hardware change in years

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mycosys:

a tcl or ncurses mythtv-setup would be at least as functional, less of a resourse hog, need negligable bandwidth and free a backend machine from needing an x-server at all

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Josh:

What's this mean? DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 3

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sphery:

mycosys: if you've seen the code for the settings, the GUI widgets are inextricably tied to the settings themselves

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Dagmar:

It's sad how many people have no idea how to export an X app over ssh

[01:17:24]

Dagmar:

Just sad

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sphery:

(of course, when we throw away all those widgets and start over, we'll do it differently)

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Dagmar:

mycosys: If you were a real admin, this would not be a problem for you.

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mycosys:

means running up an x server on this machine dude

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sphery:

Dagmar: much harder when the user likes Windows

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Dagmar:

sphery: Cygwin/X.

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GreyFoxx:

mycosys: No, not if you export to another machine

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mycosys:

i dont LIKE 'doze – jus need it

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sphery:

Dagmar: like I said, /much/ harder

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Dagmar:

It solves a crapload more problems than just a lack of VNC

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sphery:

Cygwin is not fun

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GreyFoxx:

Hell, if you Are on the local lan you do not need ssh involved

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Dagmar:

sphery: Installing it involves downloading one binary and clicking on it, and then telling it "Fill mah drive with crap"

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Dagmar:

It's far from hard, it's just ugly as hell

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mycosys:

why does it offend you dagmar that i PREFER to use the CLI and vi to admin?

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Dagmar:

mycosys: Why do you think it offends me?

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sphery:

Dagmar: well, people complain about the number of settings in Myth--with Cygwin, you get to pick every single package you want to install and they're all intertwined

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GreyFoxx:

not agreeing with your POV is not the same as being offended :)

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sphery:

but, still, harder than when you're using X

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GreyFoxx:

I use X-win32 if I have to export X to a windows box. Small, fast east to install

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GreyFoxx:

but to be honest it's rare

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Dagmar:

sphery: The last time I reinstalled it was less than a year ago. All it amounted to was clicking on the parts that got me X and then wandering off for about an hour

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GreyFoxx:

most of the time I just use leave X running on the box and use VNC

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kormoc:

mycosys: adding a second database abstraction layer for mythtv-setup is not worth the gain imho

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Dagmar:

Came back, clicked on startx.bat icon, then ran ssh out of a bash box

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sphery:

yeah, I think I'd use VNC if I were trying to put a *nix program on a Windows screen--much smaller app to install and much cleaner install

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sphery:

and since you can't compile Myth (backend or otherwise) without X, you know there's a working X server on the mythbackend system...

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Dagmar:

So then there should be no problem exporting the display to an Ubuntu LiveCD

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GreyFoxx:

AND the majority of systems are single backend/fe so it doesn't make sense to maintain another interface for the smaller percentage that have a headless BE

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

especially when X redirect and VNC are so easy for the rest of us who do have a headless BE

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mycosys:

the thing is, if you COULD go utterly headless and Xless there would likely be more – you could stick a box it the shed or wherever and never even look at the thing

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GreyFoxx:

mycosys: Mine are in the basement and I don't look at them

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sphery:

mycosys: that's what I do

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kormoc:

we are headless

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Dagmar:

There wouldn't.

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sphery:

(not shed, but other room)

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Dagmar:

That argument doesn't follow

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kormoc:

that's what X forwarding is for!

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mycosys:

but for me it isnt about being headless – it is about my nice comfy chair lol

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Josh:

the guy that maintains the lirc remotes must be pretty slow at getting updates

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mycosys:

and good keyboard

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GreyFoxx:

I control mine from X/VNC via a laptop next to my chair

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kormoc:

right, so install virtual pc and a linux image and x forward to that

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sphery:

run a VNC session on the backend and just connect to it when you want to run mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

someone maintains a list of lirc remotes ?

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Dagmar:

The majority case of users _always_ do things at the physical machine

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Dagmar:

They don't export windows to remote machines

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sphery:

I control mine from my LRC (Living Room Computer) :)

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Josh:

most users dont even know that kind of functionality is there

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sphery:

which doesn't run myth, btw

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Dagmar:

Too right

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Josh:

GreyFoxx, http://lirc.sourceorge.net/remotes/

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GreyFoxx:

Frankly there are so many terminals, laptops, pc's, and fully networked handhelds around my house I can control any machine from anywhere (even the bathroom)

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Dagmar:

I've had windows users actually try to gloat that Linux doens't have something "like VNC"

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Dagmar:

Mainly I tell them that's because our methods are more secure

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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Josh:

GreyFoxx, I sent him a custom lircd.conf for my new comcast box (I had to hack the remote to get working codes) – it's still not on theat list

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Dagmar:

..and they predate VNC by a long damn while

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mycosys:

rofl @ nothing like VNC

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GreyFoxx:

Josh: Ahhh

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sphery:

heh, I don't yet have the bathroom computer--unless I were to take a laptop in--but I do have a lot of computers scattered aruond the house'

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Dagmar:

I think I first saw XDMCP going in like '95

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mycosys:

the 1st unix GUIs were designed to be run over network

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Josh:

I have a laptop that *might* make it to the bathroom on full power

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sphery:

Josh: I sent them the DISH network one that's on the wiki that I did using info Endaf Jones posted on the list and it took them many months to actually post it

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sphery:

probably >6...

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Dagmar:

One4All == LIRC "easy mode"

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Josh:

Dagmar, no good when trying to Ir blast codes to a STB

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mycosys:

i suppose the big thing is i dont like having VNC or Xfrowarding exposed, and dont hv time for a bit to figure out x forwarding over ssh

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Josh:

mycosys, ssh -X machinename

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Josh:

that easy

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kormoc:

Josh, -Y

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Dagmar:

mycosys: There's practically nothing to figure out

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mycosys:

rly?

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kormoc:

-Y allows more features, which we need

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Dagmar:

Really.

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kormoc:

mycosys: really

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Josh:

kormoc, -X works for me

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mycosys:

what about having to enable x forwarding on the client?

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GreyFoxx:

and for vnc I just ssh in and run x11vnc -display :0 when I disconnect VNC it auto closes x11vnc (since I don't daemonize it or anything)

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kormoc:

Might be painter/qt version specific, I know I've needed -Y in the past

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Dagmar:

So long as it's enabled in your remote sshd (one line in the config) it's pretty much automatic

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Josh:

kormoc, the only time I've used -Y was when -X complained about an untrusted client

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Dagmar:

`ssh -Y mythbackendmachine.foo mythtv-setup`

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Dagmar:

Bad-da-bing, ba-da-boom.

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sphery:

Josh: right... so with -X, you lose all access to clipboards and ...

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mycosys:

well S#!t – has that become easier recently – i looked into near a decade ago an it seemed a minefield lol

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sphery:

Josh: the kinds of things you really can use effectively when using mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

Um, not without really stretching the definition of "recent"

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sphery:

since we don't have file browsers, etc. for picking all the paths

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Josh:

sphery, still.. worked for me

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Dagmar:

At least five years it's been that wasy

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Dagmar:

s/wasy/easy/;

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sphery:

Josh: clipboard could /not/ have worked

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Josh:

sphery, maybe -Y will make it a bit more responsive

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mycosys:

that would be more recent than i last tried

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mycosys:

lol

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sphery:

unless you were using a 5 year old version of ssh

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Dagmar:

It was doable with some hacks a VERY long time ago

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sphery:

no, -Y explicitly says to allow clipboard and various other things

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Dagmar:

I think they just made it a part of openssh 3.x

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sphery:

-X defaults to not allowing it

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mycosys:

ahhhhh

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Dagmar:

-X is a very strict mode

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kormoc:

ahh, looks like ssh can be compiled without the X11SECURITY extension, and if so, -X == -Y

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Josh:

sphery, I would only need to paste *from* the local (client) clipboard. I just did it earlier during mythtv-setup. No clue about copying FROM the clipboard though.

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kormoc:

the X11 client applications are treated as untrusted by default (the effects of this depend on your Xserver's security policy).

[01:33:37]

kormoc:

so could be distro dependent too

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sphery:

guess so

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sphery:

but I'm sure they do it right on OpenBSD, at least :)

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Dagmar:

You kinda shouldn't trust the remote apps that much

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tjcarter:

Gotta say, SGU is turning out to be better than I expected.

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Josh:

Hack the Gibson!

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: I want them to either explain WTF is going on in the last 15s of each show or STOP DOING IT

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tjcarter:

lol

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sphery:

Dagmar: you shouldn't trust the remote apps on /untrusted/ machines that much

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: we're still having the show's pilot

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: it's just a very LONG pilot

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Well, then prepare to get pissed about the stuff they show right about the time credits are appearing

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mycosys:

so – to get x server up on a win machine with a mingw build environment – what would be simplest lol

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sphery:

Dagmar: if it's your own mythbackend server, as authenticated by SSH certificates, and you don't trust it, you really have some problems on your network

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GreyFoxx:

Does the "Don't Record" link on the mythweb Upcoming Recordings page work for anyone? when I use it nothing seems to change. The recording is still slated to be recorded

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Dagmar:

mycosys: Slap in Cygwin/X using the "FILL MAH DISK UP!" option, or boot an Ubuntu LiveCD

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I expect tonight the ship will get power and the show will become interesting.

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use it , for it seems to no longer work for me

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Dagmar:

sphery: That's not the only thing people would ever be sshing to

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mycosys:

ewww – ok, apart from cygwin

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Josh:

mycosys, Oh, *now* you mention windows :) You should still be able to get something working with Xming & cygwin

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Dagmar:

sphery: Let's take for instance, a university lab server.

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: I wanna know what was in that little pod ship that left the show at the end of episide 1/2

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GreyFoxx:

err left the ship

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, and I /completely/ agree that if you ssh to an untrusted machine, you should use ssh -X, not ssh -Y, but for mythbackend running mythtv-setup, ssh -Y

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mycosys:

have mentioned it a bit – no voice recognition on linux ^^^^^^^^

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Dagmar:

Do I _really_ want to export a display from the remote HP/UX machine that keeps having a pirate flag appear on it's console, and just let it grab whatever resources on my machine it wants? Hell no

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: that's a good question

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: That's one of the things I'm talking about

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I'm waiting for them to shove Rush out onto a planet

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Dagmar:

They haven't explained it yet but it's _clear_ tehy're trying to hint that these people are NOT alone on that ship

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sphery:

here's a fun one for kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7393 (what in the owrld is "never delete", anyway?)

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tjcarter:

hmm

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Josh:

Dagmar, SGU == Stargate?

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sphery:

Stargate Universe

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Dagmar:

Josh: Stargate: Universe

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Josh:

ha

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Josh:

my father in law would be interested in that

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tjcarter:

Greer is beginning to grow on me

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Dagmar:

They lob a bunch of noobs onto an Ancient ship that's tearing ass haflway on the other side of the continuum

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Josh:

I might burn those episodes to disk and *ahem* watch it WITH him.

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sphery:

I've never met a Stargate I didn't like.

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Dagmar:

They have jumped into the Alpha quadrant, but with less junkie lizard men

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sphery:

I buy all the Stargates

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tjcarter:

SGU I am not sold on

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Josh:

alpha quadrant is always the ghetto of the universe, even outside of Stargate.

[01:40:29]

tjcarter:

I see the potential

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tjcarter:

but ...

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sphery:

my favorite show ever and my Myth box has never recorded a single episode of it

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: heh

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Dagmar:

Josh: Okay technically they went a lot further than that

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Dagmar:

I just don't think many people truly appreciate how damn far away that ship is

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mycosys:

Holy hell, Xming runs on WinCE??????

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Dagmar:

"runs" is such a flexible word.

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mycosys:

lol

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Dagmar:

I think once you involve "WinCE" it gets an implied upper limit of "meanders"

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mycosys:

would be VERY cool – handheld PC might be good for more than ipod duties again lol

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: anyway, I think there was a ticket in there about overrides in MythWeb not working properly, but I can't find it.

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Dagmar:

...possibly peaking out at "ambles along"

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mycosys:

ambling would be impressive for winCE – it doesnt get past stumbling generally :P

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: It may just be a display issue--i.e. if you use mythbackend --printsched it will show it's not recording that show

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Dagmar:

Anyone else watching Larry King right now?

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Dagmar:

I'm just wondering if I'm the only person who didn't know Mario apparently got his doctorate and is now fighting cancer.

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tjcarter:

okay, THAT was cool, even if it was totally predictable.

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Josh:

oops

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Josh:

mythfilldatabase attempts to use QT now?

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iamlindoro:

mfdb has always used qt

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Josh:

at the end of the inital mythfilldatabase, on my headless backend : QWidget: Cannot create a QWidget when no GUI is being used-Aborted

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tjcarter:

SGU is gonna be JUST fine.

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** tjcarter waits to be pissed off by last 15 sec **

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tjcarter:

okay, I am pissed off by last 15 sec for unusual reasons.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: i thought it was Delta quadrant

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Dagmar:

Either way the ancient ship went a hell of a lot farther

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tjcarter:

Stargate went all over our galaxy

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Dagmar:

I was never a big fan of "The Three Faces of Janeway"

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tjcarter:

although in Red Sky, we learned there was reason why you sometimes need to dial a planet from another gate.

[02:13:59]

wagnerrp:

yeah, voyage was stranded on the opposite side of the galaxy

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wagnerrp:

atlantis was in *another* galaxy

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tjcarter:

We also learned that the SGC's dialing computer is really dumb, despite being amazingly complex, and that an actual DHD is much better

[02:15:15]

tjcarter:

but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense because in Atlantis they built the Midway Station using spare gates from both galaxies that weren't in use, showing that they had much greater knowledge of the gate system--yet the SGC never got a DHD.

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tjcarter:

Presumably they updated the dialing computer quite a bit

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wagnerrp:

well they had 8 years to do it

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iamlindoro:

I still wish the ship model didn't look like an 8th grade doodling of mine

[02:16:22]

iamlindoro:

Wings! And engines! And... a stabilizer!

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wagnerrp:

you pump hundreds of billions into a reverse engineering project, youre going to get results

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well the ship *was* designed to fly

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, fly in a medium where aerodynamics are moot?

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wagnerrp:

aerodynamics are not moot in an aerobreaking maneuver

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, why would aerodynamics matter in a vacuum?

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wagnerrp:

some sort of wing shape gives you a lot more options during an aerobreaking maneuver

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iamlindoro:

especially aerodynamics that seem explicitly designed for a non-vacuum)

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wagnerrp:

(aerobreaking means a partial reentry, using the upper atmosphere to slow you before skipping back off)

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: it flew into a star?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, And why is this the first ship in stargate to need that particular feature?

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter, not everyone is in your TZ, or watching live

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wagnerrp:

well this was last week

[02:19:55]

iamlindoro:

It didn't fly into a star last week

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wagnerrp:

they hinted at it

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tjcarter:

they said it was going to

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iamlindoro:

last week ended with it pointed at a star

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wagnerrp:

ive not seen this week's either

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tjcarter:

if you're gonna fly into a star, you might want wings

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter, what's the reasoning on that one? To look neat while on fire?

[02:20:46]

wagnerrp:

if youre gonna fly into a star, it doesnt really matter what you have

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: everybody's been saying the ship's gonna fly into the star and out the other side SINCE last week.

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iamlindoro:

I bet wings melt real neat-like

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: Sure =D

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** tjcarter bolts a spoiler on to the Destiny to make it look cool **

[02:21:40]

tjcarter:

but iamlindoro has a point

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tjcarter:

they flew a CITY.

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iamlindoro:

And the shuttles (which presumably ARE for in-atmosphere use) look like the magic schoolbus

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tjcarter:

Those are real aerodynamic.

[02:22:08]

tjcarter:

haha

[02:22:12]

tjcarter:

magic schoolbus

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tjcarter:

But if you look at the destiny, its "wings" have a flat leading edge.

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wagnerrp:

ok... i cant in good conscience continue to defend the ship...

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tjcarter:

that's not gonna move air very well

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ndrwc:

relax it's just a show :P

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iamlindoro:

I don't want them to make sense... I just want them to put $10 into the production design

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tjcarter:

"If you wonder how they eat and breathe / and other science facts / Just tell yourself it's just a show / I really should relax!"

[02:24:05]

iamlindoro:

It's just chintsy

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Josh:

okay, now the new backend is complaining about how it cant find mythcommflag

[02:24:24]

iamlindoro:

I don't like that it doesn't make sense, I don't like that it looks like poo :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why they have to go all CG on these new shows

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wagnerrp:

a couple days kit-bashing will produce something just as good if not better

[02:25:02]

wagnerrp:

in a fraction of the time

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tjcarter:

The shuttles are definitely not puddle jumpers though.

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: you'd prefer bad guys made out of an upturned rubbish bin, a spyglass, and a plunger?

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iamlindoro:

EXTERMINATE!

[02:29:03]

senseibaka:

destroy?

[02:29:23]

wagnerrp:

dahlaks

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tjcarter:

EXTERMINATE THE DOCTOR!

[02:29:55]

senseibaka:

tsew tsew

[02:30:09]

tjcarter:

Daleks rock though

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senseibaka:

didn't bbc say they were going to release four specials between the seasons?

[02:30:31]

iamlindoro:

yes, and they are

[02:30:46]

iamlindoro:

culminating in a little extermination, inf fact

[02:31:02]

wagnerrp:

tjcarter: im talking about kitbashing producing things like the tumbler

[02:32:18]

senseibaka:

by my count they've only released 2 so far

[02:32:27]

senseibaka:

and the new season begins sometime next year

[02:32:46]

senseibaka:

early next year, i think

[02:33:57]

iamlindoro:

Next full season will late next year

[02:34:02]

iamlindoro:

(or 2011)

[02:34:19]

senseibaka:

ok, there's still time

[02:34:45]

iamlindoro:

remaining two are waters of mars and the Christmas Special.... That's right, the Doctor is toast on Christmas

[02:35:03]

senseibaka:

lol

[02:35:11]

senseibaka:

use him as a jam

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tjcarter:

"We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?" "Four." "You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?" "We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek. You are superior in only one resepct." "What is that?" "You are better at dying."

[02:35:54]

Dagmar:

What? Did they just air another Doctor who?!?!

[02:36:00]

senseibaka:

no

[02:36:07]

tjcarter:

Nah, that's from a couple of years ago.

[02:36:09]

senseibaka:

lol tjcarter that was from a while back

[02:36:10]

Dagmar:

Oh whew

[02:36:20]

tjcarter:

But it's a great exchange

[02:36:25]

senseibaka:

yeah

[02:36:55]

tjcarter:

You don't even have to get the joke for that to be badass.

[02:40:24]

tjcarter:

senseibaka: remember the Dalek song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAk2HjHSGbo

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tjcarter:

haha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-lJpL2oVg&NR=1

[02:43:50]

senseibaka:

tjcarter, never seen it

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Josh:

sigh, I should have saved my gentoo init script for mythbackend 0.21

[02:49:47]

Josh:

good news is that livetv works. I just need to work on importing all my recordings now

[02:52:31]

wagnerrp:

Josh: need a copy?

[02:52:44]

Josh:

wagnerrp, i would *love* a copy

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wagnerrp:

Josh: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1641108

[02:56:49]

Josh:

wagnerrp, thanks!

[03:02:02]

tjcarter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ZBrIa-hJ0

[03:02:08]

tjcarter:

that's not the least bit scary.

[03:02:53]

wagnerrp:

ah, yeah

[03:03:10]

wagnerrp:

i dont *want* the police to have the capacity to disable my car at will

[03:03:19]

wagnerrp:

or even the police through proxy of onstar

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tjcarter:

Technically they don't

[03:03:23]

tjcarter:

OnStar does.

[03:03:35]

tjcarter:

and OnStar only does it if your car is reported stolen

[03:03:48]

tjcarter:

Unless or until they start getting court orders to do it.

[03:04:02]

tjcarter:

But ... it's possible.

[03:04:11]

wagnerrp:

well they damn well better wait for a court order

[03:04:13]

Josh:

tjcarter, they don't need a court order to wiretap your phone, why should they need one to disable your car?

[03:04:58]

wagnerrp:

i mean its too easy to call someone up on a phone and impersonate a police officer

[03:05:10]

tjcarter:

Josh: that's why I tell people: Anything you were worried the last administration did or might do, you SHOULD be worried that this one can.

[03:05:16]

wagnerrp:

most hacks start by someone gleaning information through impersonation

[03:05:30]

Josh:

and now that the U.S. Government has controlling interest in General Motors, and *all* new General Motors cars since 2007-ish have came with OnStar, Who owns OnStar?

[03:05:41]

Josh:

Tell me, Please. i really don't know.

[03:05:59]

Josh:

tjcarter, shh. Even though I agree with you, I don't feel like poing the hornet's nest.

[03:06:10]

Josh:

s/poing/poking

[03:06:19]

tjcarter:

OnStar is standard on new GM vehicles, but I believe OnStar is not GM?

[03:06:33]

iamlindoro:

GM owns OnStar

[03:06:38]

Josh:

I don't think it is either, but how easily could they be bought out?

[03:07:08]

Josh:

iamlindoro, Sounds resonable, but I don't know personally.

[03:07:08]

tjcarter:

Or seized.

[03:07:16]

iamlindoro:

Josh, no, it really does :)

[03:07:25]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: Government owns GM.

[03:07:31]

Josh:

sigh. Makes me glad I don't own a GM product.

[03:07:39]

iamlindoro:

s/owns GM/owns part of GM/

[03:08:03]

tjcarter:

The thing is, cars WILL drive themselves in the next several decades.

[03:08:11]

tjcarter:

It's going to happen.

[03:08:56]

tjcarter:

Simply because the technology is only about ten years out, and once it hits, people are going to realize that if your car drives itself, you're better off letting it do so on the Interstate system.

[03:09:03]

tjcarter:

Cut your commute in half or more

[03:09:09]

tjcarter:

Probably more in any city.

[03:10:22]

wagnerrp:

i would hope if they get 'auto-drive', they would crank speeds up to 100+

[03:10:31]

tjcarter:

The car can drive significantly faster than you can and navigate traffic significantly more safely than you can because all it has to do is tell nearby vehicles to either speed up or slow down a fraction to open a diagonal lane for your car to zip over across four lanes, if needed.

[03:10:42]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt participate if they mandated you drive 55

[03:11:02]

tjcarter:

wagnerrp: no speed limit on the Interstate

[03:11:13]

tjcarter:

wagnerrp: ...but no manual driving either.

[03:11:46]

wagnerrp:

i mean if youre doing auto-drive, you can run everyone an inch or two off each other, and drag drops to next to nothing

[03:11:52]

tjcarter:

at the on ramp, your vehicle takes control and at the off ramp, you can ask for it back.

[03:12:05]

tjcarter:

yup

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wagnerrp:

but no... they would just use it as an excuse to mandate a low speed for no good reason

[03:12:55]

tjcarter:

but if you're wanted by the police, your car will take control, lock you in, and take you there.

[03:13:14]

dashcloud:

tjcarter: the better question is, what will to happen insurance?

[03:13:36]

tjcarter:

you'll require it only for manual drivers.

[03:14:03]

Josh:

dashcloud, it'll be like a intersection light malfunction. If it's the city/state/federal government's fault, then it's your fault.

[03:14:18]

tjcarter:

haha

[03:15:17]

Josh:

OMG.

[03:15:20]

Josh:

I love you devs.

[03:15:31]

Josh:

Really. EL OH VEE EE

[03:16:20]

Josh:

turns out the migration process took into account that I would be getting rid of my old storage directory, and modified all my existing recordings so they would be located in my "default" storage group

[03:16:27]

Josh:

all I had to do is drag them there and they all work

[03:16:35]

Josh:

that is (falsetto) AWESOME!

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tjcarter:

<devs> It worked? Er, um, we mean, of course it worked!

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kormoc:

That's just the way we roll

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wagnerrp:

http://nynerd.com/amazing-predator-pumpkin-carving/

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Hoxzer:

his mouth looks like a pussy

[03:40:49]

wagnerrp:

you want to try that with the teeth and fangs?

[03:41:33]

kormoc:

vagina dentata

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: "sometimes you need to risk everything for the person you love"

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Hoxzer:

(enchanter)

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kormoc:

Can't find a better (wo)man

[03:52:06]

** kormoc sings **

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[04:22:23]

jya:

iamlindoro: you got to play TRUE-HD audio track with trunk right ?

[04:23:02]

iamlindoro:

jya, I see the same issue as that ticket reporter-- the issue appeared around the ffmpeg sync and was improved, but not solved by the audio handling changes

[04:23:25]

jya:

are you using digital out ? or analog?

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iamlindoro:

analog on the system I have tested on

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iamlindoro:

have not had the opportunity to test on the other (digital out) system

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jya:

Most likely a ffmpeg issue, probably will have to wait for the next ffmpeg resync

[04:24:27]

iamlindoro:

That may be so, it did work prior to the last sync, however

[04:24:48]

jya:

with digital out, everything is decoded-reencoded as AC3 , so if ffmpeg decodes it properly , it should be fine.. but as there are issues with analog, which is purly in the hand of ffmpeg: it probably won't work either

[04:24:59]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg of the same revisions can transcode the track into a perfect wav

[04:25:03]

iamlindoro:

so I suspect the issue is ours

[04:25:48]

jya:

I'm trying to stay away from playing with ffmpeg code; last time I did that I broke HD-PVR playback :)

[04:26:40]

iamlindoro:

If ffmpeg itself decodes the audio properly, does that not indicate the problem is with our code?

[04:27:02]

iamlindoro:

(revision identical to our sync)

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jya:

could be ... our playback code is very old, calling a few obsolete APIs ... it's hard to tell where the issue could come from

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iamlindoro:

I can provide samples if that is helpful

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jya:

I need to check if I have any BD with that kind of audio track and make a dump

[04:28:38]

jya:

if you had the file already ripped, that would help

[04:29:02]

jya:

like the one you provided with E-AC3 ; that was great to test

[04:30:14]

jya:

If you could email me some links .... Now, back to do some gardening ...

[04:30:16]

iamlindoro:

I see a number of issues-- the one I noted earlier tonight is serious playback issues with The Dark Knight's TrueHD track-- this appears related to the audio changes, though: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1641174

[04:30:28]

iamlindoro:

As this worked before that ticket was committed

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iamlindoro:

Have a number of tracks that exhibit a number of issues since then-- also have some trailers w/ AAC audio which now play a very strange, distorted, slowed down version

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flexy:

I have trunk version 22523 installed now. Can I install the release candidate now, just like if I just updated trunk?

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wagnerrp:

you can switch from trunk to release from now until any point before the first schema revision

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wagnerrp:

once you alter the database, there is no (easy) way back

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iamlindoro:

Keep meaning to commit something to update the schema

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iamlindoro:

Have something pending, but I may wait on it a while

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wagnerrp:

id wait until 0.22 is out at least

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wagnerrp:

give people not paying attention a chance to migrate over, before making it difficult

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flexy:

right

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes preferable to wait until 0.22 is cut. lots of devs going back and forth between 0.22RC1 and trunk right now. :)

[04:49:30]

iamlindoro:

I think I'll wait a while longer than that

[04:49:49]

iamlindoro:

Have basic mass metadata grabbing working in MythVideo, but think I want to polish it up a bit more first

[04:50:01]

iamlindoro:

s/a bit/a lot/

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flexy:

what's the road gonna be with trunk, compared to RC1?

[04:51:24]

iamlindoro:

meaning?

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wagnerrp:

likely very bumpy

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wagnerrp:

and at some point blocked by boulders

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kormoc:

We're going to break things, and hopefully fix more then we break

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flexy:

RC1 is not getting features, just bug fixes?

[04:51:52]

iamlindoro:

yep, definitely that

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kormoc:

rc1 isn't trunk

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wagnerrp:

correct

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iamlindoro:

no more features will go into .22

[04:52:11]

wagnerrp:

0.22 has been a feature freeze since september

[04:52:36]

flexy:

I just noticed that RC1 is out...

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kormoc:

yes, you 0.22 users are/will be DOOMED TO STAGNATE FEATURES!

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flexy:

:D

[04:53:04]

wagnerrp:

the only time new features would make it into a release, is when there is a new release (i.e. 0.20.1)

[04:53:09]

wagnerrp:

or was that .2?

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iamlindoro:

.2

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wagnerrp:

and the only reason that happened was because of the migration from zap2it to schedules direct

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wagnerrp:

it couldnt wait for the next full development cycle

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flexy:

heavy new feature basket with trunk?

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kormoc:

no plans?

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kormoc:

whatever the devs want/have time to?

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iamlindoro:

flexy, We don't have homework assignments, whatever gets in is what gets in

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flexy:

right

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wagnerrp:

not so much new features, as extenuation of current trends

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: I assign you a rewrite of the scheduler to conform to SQL'87!

[04:54:46]

wagnerrp:

more stuff in mythvideo related to metadata

[04:54:55]

wagnerrp:

more stuff in the UI for more complex and diverse themes

[04:54:57]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, and if I don't do it, I just don't understand OSS

[04:55:03]

kormoc:

exactly

[04:56:05]

wagnerrp:

a possible restructuring of video handling, to allow better integration of mythvideo with the rest of mythtv

[04:56:17]

mag0o:

/me appreciates the learning remote that dish network sent with my receivers, no need to make a new lircrc!

[04:56:23]

mag0o:

damn spaces!

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wagnerrp:

(thats the big breaker to be expected in trunk)

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flexy:

so, until I see a schema revision of some kind in trac, I can go to rc1 and back to trunk?

[04:59:41]

wagnerrp:

the database is the lifeblood of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ALL information is stored there

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wagnerrp:

as long as the information is in the form it expects, mythtv can use it

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flexy:

yeah, I have got an old database

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flexy:

from .19

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flexy:

would not like to screw it up :)

[05:01:07]

wagnerrp:

presumably a text backup?

[05:01:16]

wagnerrp:

or you mean you started it with 0.19?

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kormoc:

He's the last 0.19 user!

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flexy:

0.19

[05:02:36]

flexy:

did a new installation when 0.19 was out

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flexy:

database has just been updated since, IIRC

[05:03:13]

** wagnerrp mumbles something about upgrading to linuxmce **

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wagnerrp:

well hell, ive still got a database going from a 0.19 start (or maybe 0.18)

[05:04:58]

wagnerrp:

sometime mid 2006

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kormoc:

July 4th, 2005 is my first recording with this db

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mag0o:

aww, that signifies your independance from commercial dvr's :)

[05:06:44]

wagnerrp:

my oldest recording is from 2008

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wagnerrp:

by my oldest entry in oldrecorded is july 27, 06

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wagnerrp:

dollhouse was particularly good tonight

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senseibaka:

why does SGU have such lame acting or story elements interspersed within such an awesome concept?

[06:35:04]

justinh:

I could ask the same thing about FlashForward ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, flashforward just isnt keeping my interest

[06:36:07]

justinh:

four episodes in & I dont give a damn abut *any* of the characters, not in the slightest

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senseibaka:

the only characters i give a damn about in SGU are math boy, that scientist dude, and the leader with the broken leg

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Dagmar:

He's not "math boy" he's actually a gamer.

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senseibaka:

they call him math boy

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Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, in episode 6, they flashforward to the show getting cancelled prematurely

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justinh:

lol

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senseibaka:

he calls himself math boy

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senseibaka:

yes i know he's a gamer, but he's also good at maths

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justinh:

is that like clever calling himself clever?

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tjcarter:

"The amber power LED in the front is VERY bright. So if you are going to use this with a Home Theather PC you will probably want to put some black electrical tape on it. It would have been AWESOME if it was blue instead of Amber."

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tjcarter:

what kind of IDIOT...?!

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clever:

cant change out an led?

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wagnerrp:

on what?

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: Drive cage

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Dagmar:

Hey clever

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tjcarter:

If you're complaining the LED is too bright, you are then gonna whine it's not one of those ridiculous blue lights?

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Dagmar:

Did you look into that book we talked about?

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: I don't think they understand how light works

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I think it's another d00d bl00 l3dz r0x0r!!!1!!1oen11! moron.

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

I know I'm glad that I caught my recent LED purchasing error in time

[06:47:13]

Dagmar:

I had to put some more stuff on my scooter, and almost ordered a ridiculously bright LED instead of a more reasonable one

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tjcarter:

I actually like red LEDs

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Dagmar:

A 10,000 mcd LED shining up at your face is no good for night driving

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Dagmar:

I have one in my keychain which is also a flashlight.

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oobe:

i just upgraded the firmware in my router and usually i have to restore all my settings but this time is remembered them strange

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clever:

oobe: depends on the firmware

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clever:

the new version may be compatible with the old internal format, or it may update it automaticaly

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oobe:

i guess so

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oobe:

i procrastinated doing so cause i didnt want to have to do all my rules and login info again

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Dagmar:

What kinda router?

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oobe:

plus i need to configure wep and repeaters

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oobe:

dg834

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Dagmar:

Ah

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oobe:

was working fine but im getting internet connection drop issues like every 3 or so days

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Dagmar:

Anything in the logs to hint why?

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oobe:

2 or 3 days isnt so bad but compared to 0 its a hassle

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oobe:

to tell you the truth i havent checked

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Dagmar:

Well, it could be worse I suppose

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oobe:

i assumed since i havent changed anything on my end must be my ISP's fault

[06:51:43]

Dagmar:

Most of the time it is if the circuit just momentarily goes away

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oobe:

i sent them a rude email

[06:52:16]

Dagmar:

What's making you notice that something happened?

[06:52:42]

oobe:

i have a monthly dl qouta for peak and offpeak and i used it all up cause there site reports it a day or two behind

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clever:

when mine cuts out, the ppp0 interface ceases to exist

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justinh:

I had a netgear router which kept dropping the internet connection on my cable internet. the modem was fine

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Dagmar:

You may just need to berate them for using really low PPPoE assignemnt times

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Dagmar:

Oohhh

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oobe:

i notice when im playing online poker for real money

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oobe:

thats when i get a bit shirty

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clever:

Dagmar: what are those?

[06:53:45]

Dagmar:

How long before your modem might need to renegotiate

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Dagmar:

Just like DHCP lease times.

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Dagmar:

They're not often used for PPPoE

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clever:

ah

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clever:

my pppoe link (router<->modem) seems perfectly fine

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Dagmar:

My problem was more sinister

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clever:

the problem i'm having is on the dsl layer, between the modem and isp

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oobe:

my old adsl connection use to be solid it had no data limit and no need to login via pppoe

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Dagmar:

The Motorola cablemodem I have has a bug in the firmware that makes it's HTTP interface _leak memory_

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oobe:

now with data limits and pppoe that is what makes it unstable

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clever:

ouch

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Dagmar:

I found this out while trying to get around their insistance on locking me out of the loghost option so I could have it send syslog information to my firewall

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Dagmar:

I wrote a nice perl script to scrape the log page on the cablemodem, and rejoin it to the already collected data

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Dagmar:

Hit it every minute, and in about a day and a half the thing locks hard

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clever:

and that probly made it leak more:P

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Dagmar:

Kinda damning since it did it within 10 minutes of the last time, every time

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Dagmar:

I turn off the scraper the thing is fine indefinitely.

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clever:

they rebranded the firmware on my dsl modem

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clever:

the ISP name is on every page

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Dagmar:

Turned it back on, day and a half later, locked u

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Dagmar:

p

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clever:

and 99% of the pages are missing

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Dagmar:

Silly crap like that is why I buy my own equipment

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clever:

ive pulled the manual up in google and its missing all that stuff

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Dagmar:

I definitely gave comcast an earful about turning off features on _my_ cablemodem tho

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Dagmar:

I got seriously spoiled with Speakeasy's geek-friendly plans in SF

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clever:

my dsl modem claims to also be a router

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clever:

yet i cant find the port forward page

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Dagmar:

We bought a DSL router, they came over, tested the line, asked if we needed help setting up the router, stuck around the five minutes it took for us to get it set up, and wished us a nice afternoon

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Dagmar:

Just because it's a router doesn't mean it has port forwarding features.

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Dagmar:

It just means it manages stuff at the IP level as opposed to the ethernet layer only (switch, media converters)

[07:00:00]

Dagmar:

Kind of a vote in favor of always obtaining something that runs Linux when youc an

[07:00:20]

clever:

my old dsl modem, appeared to initialy be a dumb pppoe device

[07:00:28]

clever:

until i switched my entire lan over to 10.0.0.x

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clever:

then i ran into all kinds of problems because 10.0.0.1 wasnt working

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Dagmar:

haha

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clever:

eventualy, i discovered that the dsl modem claimed that as its own:P

[07:00:56]

Dagmar:

It was using that for it's management interface wasn't it

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Dagmar:

Yep

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clever:

yep

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clever:

telnet and snmp

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Dagmar:

Cool

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clever:

i could even get the signal levels for every bit bucket

[07:01:25]

clever:

the identical info that the line tester showed

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Dagmar:

The DSL modem at my parents place, I had to lean on the manufacturer a little to get them to release source

[07:01:37]

clever:

so i could test the line without disconnecting pppoe

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clever:

i didnt have the admin pw, so it was purely readonly

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clever:

but i could actualy do usefull things thru it

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clever:

now its even worse:P

[07:03:19]

clever:

the http interface is useless, and the snmp one only works with there special windows client

[07:03:39]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, the people providing my parent's DSL decided that apparently no one needs to use the ssh interface but them.

[07:03:54]

clever:

ive never seen a router or modem with ssh

[07:04:01]

clever:

not even my switch has ssh

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Dagmar:

I don't have all the work done to "fix" that permanently yet, but I'm going to ride out there tomorrow to fix their email

[07:04:13]

Dagmar:

I might take my notebook and see if I can wing it with a hastily built cross-compiler

[07:04:43]

Dagmar:

Their tech support reps keep reflashing the goddamn thing whenever there's a line problem and it blows away my VNC tunnel

[07:04:46]

Dagmar:

THAT is annoying

[07:05:01]

clever:

lol

[07:05:06]

Dagmar:

If I could remember the name of the manufacturer at the moment I'd tell you

[07:05:09]

clever:

the reps here say everything is fine and theres nothing to fix:P

[07:05:29]

clever:

yet every now and then, it totaly drops out and i cant upload anything

[07:05:39]

clever:

which means my ACK packets dont get out

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clever:

and things randomly crash

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Dagmar:

I really didn't care for the fact that I'd go over there, fix their email or whatever, set my VNC tunnel back up, and then two months later when they have another problem, some jackass has reflashed their modem again

[07:05:58]

oobe:

Dagmar, i just noticed i can select an ip on my lan to collect syslog from my router

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Dagmar:

oobe: That is win

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clever:

could use a vpn that doesnt need ports forwarded

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clever:

like hamachi

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oobe:

windows?

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clever:

hamachi is windows and linux

[07:06:23]

Dagmar:

No, win, as in great stuff

[07:06:30]

Dagmar:

IT R FULL OF WIN as it were

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Dagmar:

So like, change one of your firewalled and/or unreachable-directly-from-the-net Linux hosts so that it spawns syslog with the -r argument

[07:07:20]

Dagmar:

THen point the syslog broadcasts from your modem at it

[07:07:57]

Dagmar:

The timestamps will be a little crazy, but you _will_ get pretty much all the log messages that way

[07:08:16]

Dagmar:

...eliminating the need to login to the modem to look at it's tiny little ringbuffer

[07:09:20]

Dagmar:

Most notably, if they login to it, do something, and then clear the logs on the modem, you still have the logs it sent you

[07:09:24]

clever:

crap

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clever:

out of disk space on the router again

[07:09:35]

oobe:

this priniple should apply http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networ . . . g-howto.html im still waiting for the page to load my net is to slow

[07:10:34]

oobe:

yeah i think that would work

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Dagmar:

I'm sure it would work.

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Dagmar:

^That guide is telling you basically the same thing as I just did

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Dagmar:

...just with a lot of spurious extra crap/

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Dagmar:

syslog and syslog-ng both use -r to tell them to enable remote syslog reception

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Dagmar:

When they're started that way they'll accept UDP messages directed to them at port 514

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Dagmar:

Maybe not the best thing for an attacker who'd like to fill your disks to know about, but useful

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Dagmar:

You will, of course, need to take into consideration how much you're having syslog actually log

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Dagmar:

Jesus that guy is a Windows user

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Dagmar:

Click on this, go into the event viewer that. Yuck

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clever:

rx: 3.56 kB/s 18 p/s tx: 0.00 kB/s 0 p/s

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clever:

Dagmar: and now the modem has failed!

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clever:

and its working again

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Dagmar:

This is why getting information about what it's doing logged _reliably_ to something is useful

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Dagmar:

I had a problem with my cablemodem's signal going to crap during a certain part of the morning every day

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clever:

i need to dysect the pppoe drivers more

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clever:

to see how it knows things have failed, and why it stops even trying to send packets

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Dagmar:

it was "around" a partiuclar time, but somewhere within a hour and a half span each morning.

[07:20:47]

Dagmar:

EXCEPT on the mornings when it was just blisteringly cold

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Dagmar:

It looked like a signal issue.

[07:21:30]

Dagmar:

The distribution amp for the building is right outside the breezeway, so I got up, and sat there in a lawn chair and waited.

[07:21:43]

Dagmar:

Nothing the first morning, but the amp was smelling funny.

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'd JUST missed the woman responsible

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clever:

woman?

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clever:

what was she doing?.....

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Dagmar:

The second morning I was up much earlier, caught a little old lady walking her dog.

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Dagmar:

The dog more or less every morning peed straight into the side of the amp cover.

[07:22:34]

Dagmar:

Gosh.

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clever:

lol

[07:22:51]

Dagmar:

I wonder what effect a big load of dog urine might have on a powered cable amp

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Dagmar:

</deadpan>

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oobe:

jeeze

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Dagmar:

I had _weeks_ of data showing the thing going down, and Comcast couldn't tell anything was wrong

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Dagmar:

She don't let her dog pee on that thing anymore, and in exchange, I don't electrify it.

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oobe:

what is a cable amp?

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wagnerrp:

an amplifier for cable?

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Dagmar:

You know what signal attenuation is, right?

[07:24:27]

Dagmar:

Wait

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clever:

there is no amp for my dsl

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Dagmar:

I'm the only person here with detailed knowledge about HFC infrastructure aren't I.

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oobe:

yea sort of

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clever:

its just raw copper to the pole, posible to the DSLAM itself

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Dagmar:

Heh

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clever:

HFC?

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Dagmar:

Okay so like the cable company's crap works based on them basically pumping out a lot of signal from one source but you basically _can't_

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Dagmar:

HFC is hybrid fiber-coax

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Dagmar:

You can't pump out the jillions of watts needed into just one bit of wire and not have it vaporize

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oobe:

so the amp amplifies the signal

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Dagmar:

So all over your city, there are these little boxes you've never noticed before that do nothing but take the upstream signal from teh cable company or cablemodem headend, choke out some noise, and then amplify the heck out of it to send everywhere else

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wagnerrp:

every so many splits, you get an amp

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Dagmar:

Apartment complexes, because they have a LOT of individual termination points, tend to have one per building of about ten to fourteen dwellings

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Dagmar:

If the place was built before a certain year, it *won't* have this integrated into the buildings, and their presence becomes obvious

[07:28:35]

Dagmar:

But basically, some time or other you've seen some weird little box sticking up out of the ground about a foot or less, maybe a foot wide and two or three feet long

[07:28:52]

Dagmar:

Just right in the middle of some bushes somewhere, not really connected to anything.

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tjcarter:

So apparently they used music in Gitmo to torture prisoners. Eminem and BeeGees. Both have got to be considered crimes against humanity.

[07:29:11]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Yeah the reports are so mixed it's hilarious

[07:29:26]

Dagmar:

Clearly the order came down to play music to a lot of people there.

[07:29:34]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: apparently so was the music.

[07:30:02]

Dagmar:

Well, there's more than a few reports of guys just plain being played music to.

[07:30:21]

Dagmar:

Like, a GI would come bring them a jam box, put a CD in it, push play, walk off. Reasonable volume.

[07:30:38]

Dagmar:

Some areas were clearly not really into the idea of torturing people

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Dagmar:

Frankly, I think it was the RIAA.

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oobe:

these are my connection info from my router http://pastebin.ca/1641294

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: I guess it's funnier if you've known the way military personell do things

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Dagmar:

Yer CO hands you a set of orders that amount to torturing people with sound, but they've fooishly done so in a way to give themselves deniability about the _torture_ part

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oobe:

Dagmar, does this info look like it should be stable

[07:34:21]

Dagmar:

oobe: It doesnt really indicate anything other than that the modem is up right now

[07:34:42]

Dagmar:

You want to get informaion about changes in the signal level or any number of transmissions errors

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Dagmar:

Basically, the idea is to NOT sit there and watch the thing for three days straight.

[07:35:58]

Dagmar:

...but get the benefit of having done so by turning up logging on the network so you can just ignore it for three days and then spend a half hour looking at logs

[07:36:29]

Dagmar:

If you could put together a script to get the last three lines of what you pastebinned, that would be useful

[07:36:47]

clever:

ive wanted to do the same thing with my old dsl modem

[07:37:01]

clever:

but you have to flip thru 5 pages in the menu over telnet to get the data

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clever:

and since they upgraded it to a faster modem, it cant show that info

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Dagmar:

The thing that tipped me off that I needed to go LOOK at the amp at that time of the morning was the oddball factor

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Dagmar:

The probem never manifested when it was below 14F

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clever:

i have a cisco switch here that fails once it warms up

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Dagmar:

There's no normal reason for that to happen for any cause other than biological.

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clever:

and its not a dog pissing on the thing:P

[07:38:06]

clever:

something inside will thermaly expand, and then disconnect

[07:38:09]

clever:

causing it to fail

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wagnerrp:

im a bit confused by my ISP currently

[07:38:10]

Dagmar:

clever: I didn't have any problems when it was much much warmer outside.

[07:38:20]

Dagmar:

Only during that time of the morning.

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wagnerrp:

theyve been rolling out DSL2 to the area

[07:38:26]

clever:

ah

[07:38:35]

wagnerrp:

and offered a bump, double the speed for an extra $5/mo

[07:38:56]

Dagmar:

All they have to do is flip a few switches

[07:39:16]

clever:

with i got the speed upgrade, they had to replace the entire modem

[07:39:17]

wagnerrp:

but in the last week or two, ive seen a bunch of phoneco vans driving around with a 'fioptic' name

[07:39:31]

wagnerrp:

if theyre switching to fiber optic, why roll out dsl2?

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Dagmar:

Might be a different company

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Dagmar:

Or who knows

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wagnerrp:

no, cincinnati bell, same company

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Dagmar:

A phone company MIGHT actually be looking to roll out more than one product a century

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Dagmar:

Hold onto your pants

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Dagmar:

Fiber's cheap

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wagnerrp:

more than one a month?

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Dagmar:

It's no harder to lay new fiber than it is to lay new copper.

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Dagmar:

Might as well do both.

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Dagmar:

I don't think I've seen anyone planting pure copper around here since I got back in 2002

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wagnerrp:

apparently theyre now providing IPTV as well

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's smart.

[07:41:46]

wagnerrp:

dropping the previous directtv partnership

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Dagmar:

Oooo

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wagnerrp:

'sorry, fioptics is not available in your area'

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wagnerrp:

i REALLY wish there was some sort of communication between utilities on this sort of thing

[07:44:10]

Dagmar:

So this is where the sneaky geek would consider finding a new apartment

[07:44:39]

wagnerrp:

last year, the gasco dug up all the streets around here replacing their natural gas lines

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Dagmar:

Dude, when Comcast rolled out cablemodems here, they started based on "Who will pay us the most money"

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wagnerrp:

that would have been a perfect opportunity for someone else to lay communications conduit

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Dagmar:

They didn't even mention it to the poorer areas of town for months

[07:45:30]

wagnerrp:

and only a couple years before that, they dug up the streets for new water lines

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Dagmar:

Yeah but do those gas lines come anywhere near anything useful to them?

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wagnerrp:

why didnt they replace the gas lines then

[07:46:02]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: they dug all they way to front yards

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wagnerrp:

we all now have some access hatch in our yard

[07:46:40]

wagnerrp:

after that, its five minutes and a ditch witch rental to get to the house

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Dagmar:

So go find some of the people who work in that department of that utility and ask them

[07:48:15]

wagnerrp:

considering they have a DSLAM about 400ft from my house (maybe 1500–2000ft of copper)

[07:48:27]

wagnerrp:

it would have been no problem hooking that stuff up to their existing network

[07:48:30]

Dagmar:

Not "why isn't this at my house" but "what areas are you currently populating and what areas are next"

[07:48:57]

wagnerrp:

yeah, already sent an email

[07:49:17]

Dagmar:

You know you're allowed to take people to lunch.

[07:49:41]

wagnerrp:

not at quarter till four in the morning

[07:49:55]

wagnerrp:

.... well, technically i suppose there will be some techs awake somewhere

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Dagmar:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

but theyll probably be wondering why im bothering them, and more importantly how i got in the building

[07:50:28]

Dagmar:

I have this crazy way of finding out what telecom companies are doing

[07:50:34]

Dagmar:

It's awesome.

[07:50:43]

Dagmar:

You just be nice to them and ask questions.

[07:50:48]

Dagmar:

In person.

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wagnerrp:

well thats how i found out when my area was getting DSL2

[07:51:36]

wagnerrp:

asked questions (while buying a replacement phone)

[07:51:49]

Dagmar:

I'll call people and try to set up a meeting.

[07:53:51]

Dagmar:

I flat out told the Comcast guy I was looking to get an apartment wherever the next place they deployed to was

[07:54:16]

wagnerrp:

looks like theyre switching everything out, VOIP phones as well

[07:55:02]

wagnerrp:

modem, FXO, and a 8-hour backup battery for both

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Dagmar:

heh

[07:55:32]

Dagmar:

Comcast had a huge number of their UPSes miswired here

[07:55:43]

wagnerrp:

sounds a bit better planned out than the 'digital phone four dot oh' crap the cableco has

[07:55:48]

wagnerrp:

you lose power, you lose everything

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Dagmar:

I and one of my friends who worked for them are the only reason they found out

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Dagmar:

No one else had power for anything, so they just didn't know the internet was gone too

[07:56:27]

wagnerrp:

not to mention the incredibly annoying ad campaign with their 'something dot oh' products

[07:56:35]

wagnerrp:

i really loathe that phrase

[07:56:42]

wagnerrp:

i dont know why, it just bothers me

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Dagmar:

Because they have no idea what it means.

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clever:

Dagmar: a few years ago, the power half failed

[07:58:01]

clever:

i read ~60v ac on the sockets

[07:58:16]

clever:

i was able to still get on the internet though, but the laptop soon died

[07:58:37]

clever:

after the power fully failed, the internet and cable also went

[07:58:43]

Dagmar:

Comcast's repeaters weren't supposed to go down when the power went out

[07:59:04]

Dagmar:

Their _monitoring_ sytsems on the other hand, went blind

[07:59:38]

wagnerrp:

ive got to shut my servers down, but ive got a good three hours of network during a power failure

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Dagmar:

Tennessee has a LOT of lightning

[08:02:26]

wagnerrp:

looks like theyre offering QAM support through that

[08:02:34]

wagnerrp:

ive heard verizon fios does as well

[08:02:59]

wagnerrp:

are they actually pumping several gbps down that line, with a modem capable of broadband modulation?

[08:03:11]

wagnerrp:

i cant imagine that equipment is cheap

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wagnerrp:

actually, this looks like its identical to the equipment verizon is using

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wagnerrp:

seems they just feed a fully modulated signal through a transducer, and amp, and onto your existing cable line

[08:23:04]

Dibblah:

Ah, patents are so fun to read.

[08:23:09]

Dibblah:

" The digital cable TV service will be lunched soon in Korea."

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clever:

probly reports back what channels your watching:P

[08:24:21]

wagnerrp:

north or south?

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clever:

thats what i was just thinking

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wagnerrp:

who are we kidding

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wagnerrp:

south already has something better, north doesnt have electricity

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clever:

good point

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clever:

but north must have atleast 1 nuclear power plant

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clever:

they need them because it makes weapons grade plutonium:P

[08:27:44]

KaZeR:

hello there. i have a little questions about scheduling : i can't find the right scheduling option to avoid recording duplicates show. i've set "record at any time" and "duplicate check method" to "subtitle and description". could it be that the show i'm scheduling doesn't have a subtitle?

[08:28:47]

wagnerrp:

there should be some option to 'filter generic episodes'

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mchou:

KaZeR: that means the subtitle/description is not an EXACT match

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wagnerrp:

youre not running two sets of listings data are you?

[08:29:55]

wagnerrp:

like a xmltv provider, along side EIT data?

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mchou:

KaZeR: there's probably spaces or some othe captialization funkiess screwing it up

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mchou:

other*

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oobe:

may internet is capped to 64kb till monday morning

[08:30:40]

oobe:

its sat 7:30 pm here

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mchou:

oobe: why is it being capped?

[08:32:45]

oobe:

http://avenard.com/iptv/Setup.html does this page load over there

[08:32:54]

oobe:

or is it just my crappy connection

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KaZeR:

wagnerrp, only one set of listing

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KaZeR:

let me double check the description

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mchou:

oobe: loads for me

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KaZeR:

mmm, i don't see filter generic episodes (i'm using mythweb)

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wagnerrp:

do you see 'filter', under 'advanced options'?

[08:37:46]

KaZeR:

ah, could it be 'exclude generic episode' ?

[08:38:01]

wagnerrp:

try various things

[08:38:20]

wagnerrp:

you may be getting generic episodes, or like mchou said, your listings provider may just be inconsistent

[08:38:32]

KaZeR:

i am the listing provider :)

[08:44:35]

KaZeR:

recordings schedule should be recomputed each time i change an option and validate my choice, or does it happens on a scheduled basis?

[08:48:09]

KaZeR:

ah, subtitle then description seems to do the trick. but only in mythtv, mythweb still use the old scheduling

[08:48:48]

KaZeR:

ah, no, it's fine now. thanks guys :)

[08:49:57]

KaZeR:

(i also set filter to none)

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oobe:

mchou, thanks i used up monthly peak dloads i got it loaded now anyway

[09:16:45]

mchou:

oobe: sounds like you've been a bad boy

[09:17:31]

mchou:

oobe: I've never even come close to peak

[09:18:21]

oobe:

well it was cause my isp said i still had 23 gig

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oobe:

and i had less than a week to go

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oobe:

so i just looked for things i didnt really need or want

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oobe:

half of it deleted before it even finished dloading

[09:19:35]

oobe:

what country are you from mchou

[09:19:40]

mchou:

US

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oobe:

oh i didnt think you had peak and offpeak limits

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oobe:

in australia broadband is very stingy

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mchou:

depends on where you live in US

[09:20:41]

clever:

ive downloaded 201gig in a month before

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clever:

i dont think i have a cap

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mchou:

oobe: that's cause you're subsidizing users in the outback :)

[09:21:14]

oobe:

i used to have unlimited before i got adsl2+ but there is no unlimted for adsl2

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mchou:

oobe: au has universal coverage for broadband, dont they? :)

[09:21:44]

oobe:

mchou, in a way your right but its mostly cause of the phone companys being stingy

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oobe:

no i dont know what universal coverage is

[09:22:15]

oobe:

there are places in au that cant broadband

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mchou:

means everybody gets it by law (as long as they pay some reasonable minimum)

[09:23:22]

oobe:

no i dont think so

[09:23:50]

oobe:

but isp's here all have to pay the telco to rent there lines for dsl

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mchou:

sheepherders in the outback dont get deprived cause they are there by themself ")

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oobe:

even if they have there own dlslams

[09:24:15]

oobe:

so i think that is the main reason

[09:24:28]

oobe:

cause of shit company called telstra

[09:24:35]

oobe:

who own all the phone lines

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mchou:

heh

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oobe:

there ad's on tv implie they invented technology they barely understand

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oobe:

i hate them

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mchou:

oobe: http://www.linuxsystems.com.au/astycrapper/astycrapper1.mp3

[09:27:28]

mchou:

listen to that when you're no longer capped

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mchou:

oobe: hilarious

[09:28:21]

mchou:

oobe: that's asterisk IP-PBX

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oobe:

ok

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[09:30:31]

oobe:

about asterisk

[09:30:37]

oobe:

how is that funny

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mchou:

dude, you gotta listen to understand

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oobe:

ok

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MrMonkeyMan:

good morning. Anyone up?

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Spida:

no

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MrMonkeyMan:

how is it going?

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oobe:

mzb is your middle name zack

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MrMonkeyMan:

going to be doing a new ubuntu 9.10 install this week

[10:19:08]

MrMonkeyMan:

would you guys suggest using .22 or .21?

[10:24:02]

oobe:

MrMonkeyMan, you wont get a choice 9.10 uses 22 only

[10:24:37]

MrMonkeyMan:

oh cool

[10:24:53]

MrMonkeyMan:

so .22 was ready enough for ubuntu

[10:24:55]

MrMonkeyMan:

thats cool

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mzb:

oobe, why?

[10:26:34]

oobe:

cause while they were planning 9.1 they assumed .22 would be released but the 9.1 release date

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mzb:

s/why ask about my middle name?

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oobe:

oh lol

[10:27:40]

oobe:

your nick mzb

[10:27:46]

mzb:

tbh, I don't have a middle name, so I like to think that "z" stands for ZERO ;)

[10:28:04]

oobe:

Marcus Zero Brown

[10:28:09]

mzb:

(two initials aren't even good enough for an old video game ;)

[10:28:23]

oobe:

oh ok

[10:28:42]

mzb:

yeah, used to use EMU (for pinball) ... but nobody knew who I was ;)

[10:29:10]

mzb:

(I used to take my own spanner and balance the machines at the local arcade;))

[10:29:18]

oobe:

who knows who you are now?

[10:29:24]

oobe:

oh wait i do

[10:29:32]

mzb:

nobody outside my microcosm ;)

[10:30:25]

mzb:

so let me ask, if _you_ didn't have a middle name, but you needed three letters to enter a high score ... what would you choose? :)

[10:31:23]

mzb:

oob?

[10:31:37]

mzb:

;)

[10:32:29]

mzb:

(I used to like finding bugs in the software/setup of pinball machines ;)

[10:32:58]

oobe:

i guess i would

[10:33:06]

oobe:

but i would probably choose poo

[10:33:09]

oobe:

or ass

[10:33:14]

oobe:

or fuk

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mzb:

heh ... yeah ... I didn't want three letters that *meant* anything ;)

[10:37:47]

oobe:

i guess

[10:38:08]

oobe:

so the z is a filler for your initials

[10:39:56]

oobe:

i would still choose fuk

[10:40:10]

oobe:

i dont think i ever had a high score

[10:50:14]

oobe:

from ubuntu <Makavel> help needed please. I mistakenly deleted my partition table. How can i restore it

[11:03:05]

gpd:

I am tempted to upgrade to Karmic – thoughts?

[11:03:26]

gpd:

It has mythtv 0.22 afaik

[11:06:28]

oobe:

no cause i havent done it

[11:06:38]

oobe:

i am waiting till it has been released

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gpd:

only 5 days though. .. :)

[11:07:24]

oobe:

last time i upgraded to the beta once release was final i couldnt get apt to install updates

[11:08:55]

oobe:

i really cant say to tell you the truth its not really a mythtv issue

[11:09:12]

oobe:

as you can use .22 in 9.04 using there daily builds

[11:10:09]

oobe:

http://mythbuntu.org/weekly-builds

[11:10:15]

gpd:

is .22 a radical change? is it shiny?

[11:10:29]

oobe:

http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds rather

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oobe:

yes it has a completly new UI plus more

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oobe:

there is a release notes page for you to read

[11:12:54]

oobe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22

[11:16:46]

gpd:

yeah – i've read all that and seen the screen shots – was hoping for a human 'feel factor' of how much of an improvement it was.

[11:18:43]

KaZeR:

i have a small issue with playback. i guess it's related to interlacing, but i can't find how to solve it: previews (like in the records view) are fine, but if i watch TV or watch a recording, then the video is displayed twice, and shrunk (i hope it's clear :) )

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KaZeR:

anyone has tips about that?

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oobe:

poor or no deinterlacing normally causes tearing in the video but nothing that sounds as extreeme as what you are describing

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oobe:

are you using the best drivers for you video card?

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KaZeR:

i'm using x11-drivers/ati-drivers-9.9-r2 and the video plays just fine using mplayer. it's only with mythtv

[11:23:55]

KaZeR:

so i guess it's rather setting-related

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KaZeR:

correct preview : http://www.kazer.org/mythtv/DSC00264.JPG

[11:32:09]

KaZeR:

wrong playback : http://www.kazer.org/mythtv/DSC00265.JPG

[11:34:18]

oobe:

KaZeR, it says you actually need to upgrade to .22 before upgrading to karmic anyway

[11:34:38]

oobe:

woops i meant to say that last thing to gpd

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KaZeR:

np :)

[11:36:21]

oobe:

yeah thats not an interlacing problem

[11:36:40]

oobe:

have you tried experimenting with different playback profiles

[11:37:02]

KaZeR:

mmm, nop. any advise about that?

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oobe:

the reason why there are so many is cause there are different displays and different source video

[11:38:02]

oobe:

so i cannot advise any specific one

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oobe:

but i can say that its easy to change and test one by one

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oobe:

utils/ setup /tv settings / playback settings / page 3

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KaZeR:

ok thanks, on my way

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oobe:

KaZeR, look at this too http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Proprietary_Driver

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KaZeR:

oh! sweet! cpu+ (default one) and cpu++ split the video, but the next one works fine

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KaZeR:

thanks :)

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KaZeR:

i'm having a look at the link

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oobe:

you will find most ppl who use ATI wish they had nvidia

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KaZeR:

hehe :) well, it was a PITA to get to work in the first place, but now i'm rather happy with it. i have my computer hooked to an amp + HDTV via hdmi, and it works quite fine

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KaZeR:

i only have some refresh glitches on HD movies

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KaZeR:

very few

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oobe:

cool

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oobe:

do you get overscanning?

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KaZeR:

overscanning?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. need a little help please. installed updates include

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jeffjeffdejeff:

..including kernel updates and my remote has stopped working. i can't see the device in /dev/input any suggestions?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

sorry, can't see my ir device when i do cat/proc/bus/input/devices

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tmkt:

how about /dev/lirc0? ?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

sorry tmkt, not sure i understand. what should i put in the terminal?

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clever:

ls /dev/lirc0

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jeffjeffdejeff:

no such file or directory

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clever:

then its not being managed by a kernel driver

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clever:

not one of the ones i'm used to

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clever:

with all the ones i'm used to (lirc_serial, lirc_i2c, lirc_pvr), they create a device at /dev/lirc0

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clever:

which lircd then connects to, and then that makes /dev/lircd

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i'm at a loss.

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mag0o:

where do i adjust the atsc scan timeouts for scanning for channels?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

should never have updated. :(

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clever:

jeffjeffdejeff: i know the feeling

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clever:

1 dist-upgrade broke lirc_i2c, so i lost my ir receiver

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clever:

the 2nd one broke ivtv, so i lost recording too:P

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clever:

i moved the card to its own box then, so i could stop rebooting the main server

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jeffjeffdejeff:

this wasn't even a dist upgrage though. did have kernel update in it though.

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

if you update the kernel, then you need to rebuild the lirc kernel drivers

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jeffjeffdejeff:

how do i do that?

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clever:

the same way you did it the first time

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jeffjeffdejeff:

is that the mercurial thing?

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clever:

?

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mag0o:

with a new, bigger (supposedly better) antenna, im getting some locks but 'timed out, no channels' – isn't it possible to extend the wait for timeout?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_ . . . vice_Drivers

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jeffjeffdejeff:

that bit?

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clever:

thats for v4l/dvb, not lirc

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jeffjeffdejeff:

:s

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tmkt:

jeef what IR?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i can't get it to display " IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver as /class/input/x" when i do dmesg

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tmkt:

http://www.nabble.com/lirc-i2c-does-no-longer . . . ml#a25884715

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tmkt:

a few problems with i2c

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tmkt:

check out #lirc

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kisak:

hello, I have an issue with mythtv failing to disable DPMS with gnome 2.26 on a couple gentoo boxs

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tmkt:

i had issues with hvr-1600..but worked with j-rod on there to get mine going

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kisak:

is this issue more appropreate here or over at #mythtv?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

they're talking about kernel 2.6.31 though. i'm using 2.6.28

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i dunno what i'm talking about anyway.

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tmkt:

jeffjeffdejeff: lsmod|grep lirc

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tmkt:

give you anything?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

sorry. will just check

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jeffjeffdejeff:

just back to the command prompt

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tmkt:

so..thats probably your issue

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tmkt:

still don't even know what kind of IR you have

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oobe:

mag0o, in section 2 of mythtv-setup

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oobe:

jeffjeffdejeff, why dont you just use the old kernel before the upgrade set to default in /boot/grub/menu.lst

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jeffjeffdejeff:

tried doing that earlier. still wouldnt work. does that mean the upgrade would have overwritten certain files or something?

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oobe:

seems strange it shouldnt

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oobe:

what tuner are you using with the IR device

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oobe:

dmesg | grep IR jeffjeffdejeff

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justinh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb0panCwX8

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justinh:

arghh. I need a proper mouse

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mag0o:

thx oobe

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oobe:

np

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oobe:

i think 2000 ms is max

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tmkt:

jeffjeffdejeff: why dont you tell us what ir you have?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

tmkt – i'd love to. i'm (in case you haven't guessed) a noob when it comes to all this. do you need to know the capture card?

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tmkt:

sure

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tmkt:

that could help

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hauppauge td500

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jeffjeffdejeff:

right, i've got irw showing input now i've booted into previous kernel. what do i do to my menu.lst to make it select previous kernel by default pleasE?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

just comment out the latest kernel details?

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oobe:

just comment out the new one

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jeffjeffdejeff:

thanks.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

well thanks for your patience guys. set it to default boot using previous kernel. will now switch off updates!

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mzb:

oobe, I'd have suggested un-commenting/activating the "saved" feature in grub

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mzb:

(as opposed to commenting)

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Josh:

The requested URL /mythweb was not found on this server.

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Josh:

Is there a way to have apache re-pull the info from the config files without actually restarting it? An -HUP mabye?

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wagnerrp:

probably not, considering it uses a process pool, rather than individual threads

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Josh:

What is mythweb's "Data directory" ?

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Josh:

oh, that must be it

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Josh:

./data

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wagnerrp:

seems a USR1 will cause the processes to terminate when theyre finished doing what theyre doing

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wagnerrp:

so they then restart with the new settings

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wagnerrp:

but that would only matter if someone is actively downloading a large file from your server

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Josh:

wagnerrp, or uploading a a large file *to* my server :) cough, torrentflux.

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Josh:

What could be a potential cause of mythweb actually showing the directory structure rather than loading mythweb.php? mind you this was a setup that had been working before the upgrade

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wagnerrp:

wait... why are you running mythweb on a remote server?

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Josh:

wagnerrp, headless backend that also runs apache2?

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wagnerrp:

then why does it take any significant time to upload something

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Josh:

wagnerrp, depends on how big that something is. and how much bandwidth you have to send it to me

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oobe:

mzb, in hieghsight there are a few ways but off the top of my head .......

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beata-:

I have my videos setup in a non storage group directory. After runing Jamu to update metadata, my videos wouldnt play. I would get a "Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()" when using -v playback. After playing around I found that if i removed the host "localhost" from the metadata table for a video it would play. Any ideas on what is wrong w/ my setup?

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wagnerrp:

jamu is adding 'localhost' to the hostname of non-SG files?

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beata-:

yea

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** wagnerrp starts digging through code **

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wagnerrp:

are these files you already had in the database?

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wagnerrp:

or files that jamu added

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RDV_Linux:

beata-: wagnerrp: Jamu would only add the hostname in from the Mythvideo settings if a Storage Group has been configured

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wagnerrp:

beata-: do you have both storage groups AND a local directory configured?

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beata-:

i have other storage groups defined ie coverat and alike but i do not have a videos sg

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RDV_Linux:

and the graphic files were being stored in a SG. I suspect this is a settings issue with local and SG setting conflicts.

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wagnerrp:

coverart and the like (in an sg) wont work and wont be used without a video sg

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beata-:

i

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Thanks that is his answer

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beata-:

ic

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wagnerrp:

local files use local artwork, sg files use sg artwork

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wagnerrp:

theres no mix-and-match

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beata-:

i thought i could mix and match

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beata-:

got ya

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beata-:

thanks

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beata-:

so i should be able to wipe out the sgs and then wipe out the metadata db and rescan and things should work fine

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Josh:

grr, I can't get mythweb to do anything but display the contents of the mythweb/ folder

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beata-:

Next question, when using the internal player for videos, i get like a foot of Black border to the left/right of my video. im running res of 1920x1080. When i use mplayer i get the full screen

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wagnerrp:

does your GUI have that black border?

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wagnerrp:

the rest of the myth interface

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beata-:

no, when doing anything else it uses the whole screen

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wagnerrp:

does the video look stretched in one or the other?

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beata-:

mplayer might be zommed in hard to tell but it looks fine

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does its best to follow any aspect ratio cues the video may have

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wagnerrp:

but its possible the video is specifying some wrong value

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wagnerrp:

mplayer may just be stretching to the full screen regardless

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wagnerrp:

in which case you *want* that pillarboxing because you have 4:3 content on a 16:9 TV

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beata-:

in the mplayer command it does have -zoom -vo xv

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messerting:

anyone knows some good *free* HD content that I can download?

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wagnerrp:

but, if you really do want to stretch everything out of proportion

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has multiple zoom modes available through the menu and the hotkey

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beata-:

you know what hotkey by chance?

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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beata-:

il lookit up

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beata-:

thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

messerting: miro may have something

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messerting:

wagnerrp: yes, thanks for the tip – will try that

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, you can stream hulu in mythbrowser

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messerting:

hm, will check out what hulu is..

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wagnerrp:

messerting: what country are you in?

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messerting:

Norway :)

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wagnerrp:

you wont have access

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wagnerrp:

(probably why youve not heard of it)

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messerting:

ok

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messerting:

I'm checking out NRK (the equivalent of BBC), and they have some free HD torrents, but most of them seems dead now

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clever:

wagnerrp: there is another aspect ratio option ive had to use on mplayer

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clever:

-monitoraspect

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clever:

by playing with that, you can fix things

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clever:

for example, i can push a button on my tv remote, and then it adds bars on the top/bottom

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clever:

sqishing the 4:3 signal to appear 16:9

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clever:

then i have to inform mplayer about the change (i think by giving 1:1), and then it displays properly

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clever:

when playing a 16:9 file and the tv set to 16:9, it seems -monitoraspect 16:9 works

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clever:

the only real bonus i can see, is that the black bars are added at the tv end, so every row of the video signal is being put to use, posibly giving better qualirt

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clever:

quality*

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beata-:

thanks clever i will try it out

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wagnerrp:

any reason to use mplayer instead of Internal?

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justinh:

course not

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iamlindoro:

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/23/hulu- . . . ription-fee/

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iamlindoro:

Ha-haaaaaa

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wagnerrp:

finally official? (as opposed to rumored)

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a yes

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iamlindoro:

Comments are hilarious

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iamlindoro:

"I use Hulu almost everyday. I can tell you for certain that I'll just go back to downloading all my shows on bittorrents if they charge. I'll be damned if I pay for shows and still have to watch commercials. That's why I don't have cable..."

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iamlindoro:

Oh, so I'll just steal them outright instead

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Dagmar:

I'll just stop using them.

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Dagmar:

I tolerate their volume level crap and the repeated need to click again because it's free

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wagnerrp:

click again?

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wagnerrp:

you have to click to resume playback after an ad or something?

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ourtv:

i still can't figure out how to create a link to boxee on .22

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wagnerrp:

add a menu entry using the 'EXEC' call

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wagnerrp:

youll have to dig into the menu layout xml

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ourtv:

wagnerrp, yeah but i can't figure it out. found instructions for .21 and it was easy. don't see instructions for .22 and it seems to be quite a bit different to my moronic eyes anyway

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pyther:

is there anyway to figure out why mythweb won't stearm anything (I'm running 0.22rc1)

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pyther:

I just get the header of mythweb to load, and then it dies

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gbee:

anyone watching ITV HD? They are showing Phantom Menace in HD and SD, because I've wondered about the visual quality of the films they are showing I recorded both and side-by-side I might tell the difference, but flipping back and forth is pretty disappointing, if I had to guess they've just upscaled the SD

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gbee:

now I don't really care about the film, I'll be deleting without watching, but is this really what passes for HD in ITV's minds?

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gbee:

films consistently look poor, several of their homegrown series too, I think I've so far seen only one thing on ITV HD which comes close to the quality of BBC HD (don't quite remember what it was though)

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gbee:

actually, the whole experience reminds me of watching Sky HD – "Eh? I've seen better looking SD"

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wagnerrp:

someone on slashdot just analogized media conglomerates to religious institutions at the advent of the printing press

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iamlindoro:

the "toggle known program" thing proposed on the list has to be the best example of "useless settings creep" I've heard in a while

[17:44:54]

iamlindoro:

Guy proposes that he should be able to set which programs in the guide he "already knows" and only display the others... This is how we have ended up with 10,000 useless checkboxes

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wagnerrp:

sure, but a canned search of anything without a matching title in oldrecorded would be interesting

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iamlindoro:

Sure, but that's easily accomplished without writing any real code

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iamlindoro:

and something easily written out on the wiki instead on contributing to more crufty code

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Makere:

hiya

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wagnerrp:

i really need to figure out where my storage space is going

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I didn't have the heart to tell the guy on the list that his "always prompt for initial recgroup" setting may go away.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: his proposal is wrong, too. The table in the DB shouldn't be called knownprogram with a column knowntitle. It should be called oldprogram with a column oldtitle.

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wagnerrp:

ive not dumped two disks (260GB each) of backups, and am still down to 150GB free

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I.e. we already have that.

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wagnerrp:

s/not/now/

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** Captain_Murdoch is afk again. **

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sphery:

Strange... I'm sitting at my computer and a piece of my ceiling (a "popcorn" from the ceiling) just fell onto my cell phone next to me.

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sphery:

(probably out of the air conditioning vent)

[17:51:01]

Makere:

anyone managed to fix a mythtv+pulseaudio stuttering issue on ubuntu? I got avenard 0.22 with vdpau, recordings record fine and the image doesn't stutter if I kill pulseaudio

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Makere:

used the settings off from mythtv wiki about pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

Makere: the solution is to... kill pulseaudio

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sphery:

in a fire!

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Makere:

but then I lose sound

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Makere:

;p

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sphery:

not if you do it right

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wagnerrp:

no, you kill pulseaudio, and let mythtv access alsa directly

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sphery:

you still have ALSA--the layer under pulse

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sphery:

too slow

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wagnerrp:

remember, pulseaudio does not actually have any hardware support

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Makere:

but I don't want mythtv to hog alsa all to itself

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wagnerrp:

you have a fully functional sound system operating underneath pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

what else would you have running besides mythtv?

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Makere:

mpd

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Makere:

for example

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sphery:

Makere: ALSA's dmix plugin handles that for you

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sphery:

and is automatically set up for any software sound cards without hardware mixing

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you should have no problem handling multiple simultaneous programs hitting alsa

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Makere:

I wonder what the hell even happened to my mythtv, it used to work just fine with pulseaudio

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Makere:

never even had to config anything

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wagnerrp:

it never worked fine with pulseaudio

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sphery:

PulseAudio isn't a sound mixer--it's a solution to an extremely rare problem (the need for networked audio)

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sphery:

it just happens to do enough other things that it convinced distro decision makers it's a panacea

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Makere:

I would use networked audio also if windows had an output to it

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wagnerrp:

there is a pulseaudio client for windows

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wagnerrp:

there are also esound and nas clients for windows

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wagnerrp:

and probably a bunch of other sound servers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if you started up a recording or LiveTV with pulseaudio enabled, it used to play just fine (as long as you didn't play much of the recording--after a while the A/V sync began to diverge, but people who "tested" it said it's fine because they didn't truly test it)

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sphery:

(that was me agreeing with you, btw :)

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wagnerrp:

right, because the ALSA calls that would have been used to maintain sync are noops

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Makere:

bleh dinovo starting to run out of battery

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Makere:

on to other topic, how do I change the "back" key from esc to backspace?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I agree, that's one of the ones on my hit list :)

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Makere:

and now restarting mythfrontend, it doesn't stutter anymore

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sphery:

iamlindoro: exactly--how could that be better than entering Watch Recordings (to whatever default groups) and then hitting a button to switch groups.

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Makere:

what bothers me the most is that it works pretty randomly

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sphery:

Makere: MythControls to edit key bindings (Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys). It's a plugin in 0.21-fixes, so you may have to install it.

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sphery:

Makere: if you mean pulseaudio works randomly, that's exactly why we explicitly don't support it.

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messerting:

I'm using "ALSA:hdmi" to output audio over HDMI to my TV, and that works fine, but the volume of my recording/livetiv is much lower than music playback and video playback

[18:02:31]

messerting:

is there a way I can adjust that?

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Zi0n:

Hello, does anyone have mythbackend set up to autoatically shut down when idle, and wake up before a recording?

[18:03:08]

Makere:

sphery: I think mythtv works randomly with pulseaudio, pulse itself works nicely with anything else except than myth

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wagnerrp:

Makere: other media players have been rewritten specifically to support pulseaudio

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sphery:

and mythtv has very different requirements from other apps

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wagnerrp:

and music players generally dont run for sufficient duration to notice any issues

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Makere:

wagnerrp: I'm using the pulse alsa thingie with MPD, and it works nicely

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wagnerrp:

basically, pulseaudio has inserted itself inbetween ALSA, and all the programs that want to use it

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wagnerrp:

and it did a rather poor job of emulating it

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Makere:

hmm, I wonder if I kill mpd, mythtv would start working

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sphery:

Who cares if you IM's beep doesn't happen within 100ms of the time it's supposed to? No one. Who cares if the audio in a recording doesn't play back within 100ms of when it's supposed to? Everyone who likes to see lips moving at the right time for the sounds they're hearing.

[18:05:56]

pyther:

Has anyone setup the mythweather plugin for 0.22rc1?

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sphery:

*** Does not apply to most Japanese movies with English audio replacing the Japanese audio

[18:06:11]

wagnerrp:

its not myth's fault for not working properly, when pulse is telling it everything is peachy

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pyther:

On the screen setup there is nothing to select screens

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wagnerrp:

Makere: it all comes down to one side will eventually give way

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wagnerrp:

either pulse will finally include full emulation of ALSA

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wagnerrp:

or someone will write a native pulse output for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but as for now, they dont mix, plain and simple

[18:07:43]

sphery:

actually, there is a pulse output for Myth--it just doesn't work properly because of A/V sync divergence

[18:08:45]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5473 (but doesn't work)

[18:09:05]

sphery:

due to pulse's lacking features

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Makere:

ah well, dunno what I did, but the sound seems to work now

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Makere:

and doesn't stutter

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Makere:

and seems to even be in sync

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sphery:

Makere: and if it occasionally mutes on you, don't blame myth

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sphery:

and tell me if it's in sync in 1hr

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sphery:

(after 1 hour of playback of the same recording)

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wagnerrp:

have other media players resorted to frequently restarting playback to work around that issue?

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sphery:

don't know how they're handling it

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sphery:

they may just let it diverge and then force the user to correct for it (most of them have keys you can hit to resync audio--like m and n in xine)

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sphery:

resync meaning adjust + or -

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Makere:

seems to be getting out of sync now

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sphery:

yeah, it can take varying amounts of time, dependent on a lot of factors (including the specific stream you're playing)

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Makere:

and now it began to stutter

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Makere:

I'm still bothered by the fact that this shit used to work in 8.10

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Makere:

and just got broken when I upgraded to 9.04

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Makere:

ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

did 8.10 have pulseaudio?

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Makere:

yes

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Makere:

or atleast I had it installed

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sphery:

pyther: I don't remember resolution nor can I find the posts, but I remember someone mentioning that (and I thought someone fixed that). Might want to try a newer revision.

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Makere:

atleast the recordings come out just infe

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Makere:

guess I'm not watching live tv then

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Makere:

fine*

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pyther:

sphery, I"ll just wait I really don't want to compile svn all over again

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Josh:

pyther, what kind of hardware do you have? the whole process on my C2D takes ~15 mins

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messerting:

I've read that trunk is going to be "pre 0.23" soon (or already is?), and I'm currently running trunk r22355. Would this be a good time to switch to -fixes branch?

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pyther:

I have a Sempron +2200 probably took me 30 minutes or so to compile

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Josh:

messerting, 0.22 hasnt even been released yet.

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iamlindoro:

trunk is already what will be .23, so if you want to go to .22, now is the time

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wagnerrp:

trunk is always trunk

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wagnerrp:

you can switch from trunk to a release at any point before there has been a schema bump

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wagnerrp:

once you update your schema, you no longer have the option to migrate to a release branch

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messerting:

ok, so I should first check if the r22355 schema is in sync with current -fixes, how do I do that? :)

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Josh:

Is there anything (rational, preferably) that i can do to speed up mysql access?

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sphery:

messerting: yes, now is a great time to go to 0.22-fixes from trunk (before the DB schema changes and you can't switch back)

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wagnerrp:

messerting: know that it is

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messerting:

ok, thanks :)

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ikkeT:

anyone here who might guess why mythtv doesn't show video subtitles correct after 21->22 update? UTF8 problem, scandic chars messed up...

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sphery:

ikkeT: are these DVB subtitles or external (such as SRT) subtitles?

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ikkeT:

sphery: yes. Actually now that I'm checking them, they seem to be iso8559–1

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iamlindoro:

that was an either or question, not a yes n

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iamlindoro:

no

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ikkeT:

sorry, external...

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ikkeT:

:)

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ikkeT:

external .mpg and .srt or .sub

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sphery:

I wouldn't be surprised if there are character encoding issues with external subtitles

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sphery:

patches would be appreciated :)

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ikkeT:

I thought I'm missing some new setting

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gbee:

shouldn't be utf-8, we can't guess/easily detect the encoding and for obvious reasons it's sane to assume utf8

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sphery:

ikkeT: all the characer encoding handling changed completely after 0.21, so there may be issues

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ikkeT:

it seems so. All program info got screwed, luckily new ones work

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sphery:

and since very few people use external subtitles, they're probably not well (if at all) tested with various encodings

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sphery:

ikkeT: if all program info got screwed up that means you had a broken configuration in 0.21-fixes

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ikkeT:

my database was utf8 and failed the upgrade

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gbee:

ikkeT: old data being messed up would probably only happen if you'd incorrectly forced utf8 storage

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ikkeT:

like mentioned in the wiki

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sphery:

yeah

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ikkeT:

sure, you are right

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sphery:

and it wasn't properly fixed

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gbee:

we told people again and again and again not to do it ... but they did ;)

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ikkeT:

i just dropped the table, and created new one with latin1

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ikkeT:

got to get it working fast :)

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ikkeT:

addicted here

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ikkeT:

:)

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sphery:

how important could a DB schema be? Not very, right?

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gbee:

Daniel very nearly ripped out the external subtitle support in 0.22, I've yet to see a compelling reason to keep it for 0.23

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sphery:

after all, it's not like someone /designed/ the MythTV application to work specifically with the MythTV DB schema. :)

[18:44:22]

ikkeT:

well, it was matter of showing all characters wrong or right, so I suppose I was forced to put it to utf8

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gbee:

no you weren't we fixed all reported character problems

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sphery:

gbee: well, all the torrent sites provide external subtitles for the illegal copies of movies and tv shows they host

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pyther:

I only have severe weather under in active screens :-/

[18:45:02]

sphery:

(therefore, I concur--lets rip it out)

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gbee:

pyther: get to the storm basement

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ikkeT:

well, I don't remember when I have done that, I've been using the database for about five years now.

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pyther:

gbee, lol, the other options won't show (0.22rc1)

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sphery:

(that's not to say that you can't make external subtitles yourself, but just how many people go to the trouble of OCR'ing and correcting subtitles for their own personal use/archival?)

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unimaginative:

I don't like this new STB, it keeps losing A/V sync

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sphery:

gbee: didn't you do a fix for not being able to add new screens in MythWeather?

[18:46:37]

sphery:

or maybe that was paul

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ikkeT:

gbee: why would anyone drop external subtitle support? it's very useful.

[18:47:25]

gbee:

some silly people insisted that character encoding problems were caused by storing the text as Latin1 in the database (it wasn't) and kept complaining but never told us which strings were being displayed incorrectly, they spread that disinformation as far and wide as they could and ruined a lot of people's databases as a result :(

[18:47:29]

ikkeT:

at least in all non-english speaking countries like finland here

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gbee:

ikkeT: useful for what content?

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sphery:

where do you get external subtitles legally?

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ikkeT:

from dvb?

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gbee:

huh?

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sphery:

in DVB they're transmitted in the stream

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gbee:

sphery: paul-h

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ikkeT:

in finland for example they show the subtitles separate from stream, like in told in standard i hear

[18:48:58]

ikkeT:

so we can select the language for subtitles

[18:49:12]

ikkeT:

very handy. can also turn them off.

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sphery:

ikkeT: but that's all in the same MPEG stream

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sphery:

not an external srt file or whatever

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gbee:

and how exactly do you sync up the timecodes against a recording? External subtitles (in .sub or .srt) have only one use that I'm aware of, stolen content

[18:49:59]

ikkeT:

yes, but if I want to archive it, I need projectX to separate mpeg and store only selected subs. at least to be compatible with other players

[18:50:26]

ikkeT:

I do that many times, and there is nothing illegal in that

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sphery:

ikkeT: but since DVB subtitles are images, you'd /also/ have to OCR the subtitles to get the text format needed for the external subtitle files

[18:50:50]

sphery:

do people really do that?

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ikkeT:

it would be great if mythtv would do it, but I assume finland is very minority in this feature

[18:51:00]

gbee:

sphery: well you can get teletext subtitles with DVB

[18:51:11]

gbee:

which are similar to CC

[18:51:12]

sphery:

ah, I thought they were always images

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ikkeT:

gbee, you are right

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ikkeT:

teletext page for each channel

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ikkeT:

so please don't advertice it been just used for illegal stuff, it's very useful

[18:52:09]

ikkeT:

i would be sad if it was dropped.

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gbee:

nah, spec calls for image based subtitles (which always render better) but since it also supports Teletext (in the video, not the TS) some places still use teletext subtitles

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ikkeT:

unless you have maintenance issues with it, or something forcing you to drop it

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gbee:

well it was maintenance that caused Daniel to consider dropping it, it was broken during the development of 0.22 and no-one was interested in trying to fix it

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gbee:

personally I'd not bother to transcode when archiving, but there we go :/

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sphery:

ikkeT: chances are, you need some tag in your subtitle file that explicitly sets the encoding

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ikkeT:

gbee: here at least there are two ways we get subtitles. Half of the channels burn them into picture before broadcast, and others do it with teletext

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ikkeT:

sphery, just doing "file xxx.srt" shows it right

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ikkeT:

i don't know how file does it.

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gbee:

qt might have some magic for detecting the most likely encoding, but it should already be doing that if we're using QFile and reading the text stream

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ikkeT:

so all in all, atm i just need to iconv all subs and they work

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ikkeT:

i thought there was some new setting i had missed.

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ikkeT:

thanks for the info

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sphery:

ikkeT: you iconv to utf-8?

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ikkeT:

sphery: if nothing else helps, that's the easiest that came to my mind immediately

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sphery:

if so, it may mean we're always expecting utf-8 and support would have to be added for other formats

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ikkeT:

for find all ; file it; if !utf8; iconv -f 8859 -t utf8;

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ikkeT:

it looks to me you always expect utf8

[19:08:20]

ikkeT:

but I admit, i updated only week ago, and haven't had time to wonder much about it.

[19:08:29]

ikkeT:

actually had no time

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sphery:

yeah, and I haven't looked at that part of the code because I have no external subtitles

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ikkeT:

i noticed translations for finnish are lacking lot of stuff. i would like to update them if i find the time.

[19:10:53]

ikkeT:

looking at svn commits, it seems there is no team for finnish translations.

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]Oscar:

I'm compiling mythtv. configure say: "XvMC pro support --> no". Which is the needed library?? I already have the libxvmc-dev

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, 'xvmc pro' refers to one specific implementation of xvmc

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wagnerrp:

either way, you probably shouldnt be using it anyway

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]Oscar:

thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

specifically, what processor do you have?

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]Oscar:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, but OS is i386

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wagnerrp:

yes, you stand to gain nothing from xvmc

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wagnerrp:

XvMC only supports partial mpeg2 decode offload

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sphery:

yeah, XvMC pro is really only on Via graphics

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wagnerrp:

while it adds all sort of restrictions to playback

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wagnerrp:

your processor is plenty fast to decode any mpeg2 you might find without any acceleration

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sphery:

and XvMC is garbage if you don't need it (and you won't with that processor)

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]Oscar:

but I have nvidia integrated video,... is not an help?

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wagnerrp:

you can certainly use it, but it will gain you nothing, and only place other limitations on playback

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sphery:

XvMC pro is not at all. XvMC only gives you limitations, no benefits.

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]Oscar:

ok :)

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sphery:

he's just too fast...

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sphery:

I never get my answer done first

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]Oscar:

and vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

oh, im slow... but youre the slowest

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wagnerrp:

what graphics chip do you have?

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sphery:

if you have a GPU that supports VDPAU, you can use it (if you're ok living under the restrictions/issues it has)

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]Oscar:

the mobo is a gigabyte ga-m68sm-s2: it has NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / NVIDIA nForce 630a integrated

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wagnerrp:

then no, no vdpau for you

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wagnerrp:

vdpau is on 8-series and newer chips

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]Oscar:

so,... no xvmc and no vdpau...

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wagnerrp:

you can use xvmc, but you dont want to

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]Oscar:

:)

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sphery:

and you won't need either unless you're trying to play back high-bitrate H.264 video.

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wagnerrp:

at which point xvmc isnt going to do anything anyway

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]Oscar:

isn't they that do deinterlace job?

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sphery:

for that, vdpau would be useful, but otherwise, you should be good for most anything

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sphery:

Myth has deinterlacing support in it--even without VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

ugh... some panel advised the white house to skip the moon and go straight to mars

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]Oscar:

:)

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sphery:

Augustine Panel?

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sphery:

if so, I hope they at least said to find the money for the Aries program

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wagnerrp:

some independent commission

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Dibblah:

Woo. I now have a USB stick that "magically" enables VT-x :)

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]Oscar:

and about audio,... configure say "yes" ok ALSA and OSS... I need something more?

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sphery:

ah, I see the headlines, now

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mzb:

]Oscar, I've got a s939 X2 4400+ ... works fine (amd64, though)

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wagnerrp:

ah, 'norman augustine'... seems so

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sphery:

]Oscar: nope, just ALSA and OSS should both be on

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]Oscar:

thanks! I'm going to compile it all! :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, Augustine panel

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sphery:

ughh... extending the life of the shuttle

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wagnerrp:

do people just not understand the worth of the moon?

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wagnerrp:

the moon is key, you cant get anywhere without the moon

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sphery:

and can't get anywhere without Aries or a brand new, built-from-scratch man-rated rocket--at least if you're talking about getting people there

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wagnerrp:

do these people think... 'oh, we reached orbit from the moon, we can do it from mars just as easily'?

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wagnerrp:

you need almost the same support structure to get off mars as you do earth

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sphery:

most info of the stories I've seen: http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-10381501-239.html

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wagnerrp:

how the hell are we supposed to get that up there

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wagnerrp:

'former CEO of Lockheed Martin'... i would expect him to know better

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sphery:

so, continuing work on Aries is bad because they don't have the money to finish it on time for the program...

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sphery:

but, if we don't use Ares, what will we use? The only other man-rated space vehicle we have is the space shuttle

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wagnerrp:

i dont care what we use to get off earth, were not going anywhere until we get a launch facility on the moon

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wagnerrp:

astronauts cannot escape orbits on electric drives, so the launch costs become absolutely absurd

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sphery:

And, IIRC, design tolerances for man-rated vehicles have to be around 200% or so compared to 130% for non-rated--or someone has to sign a waiver saying the excess tolerance is not required. Since the existing rocket designs are all designed without man-rating in mind, it either means re-designing and re-certifying (which is basically the same as building a whole new rocket from scratch) or somone putting their name on the ...

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sphery:

... line. But, since the Ares is the SRB from the shuttle, it's already designed as a man-rated vehicle, with sufficient tolerances.

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wagnerrp:

so individuals pay the russians $35M to get put on the space station, be we have to pay $50M?

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wagnerrp:

HAH, WINE is so advanced, it can now run windows viruses

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sphery:

nice

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