| Friday, October 23rd, 2009, 00:02 UTC | ||
| [00:02:21] | justinh: | hahaha twitter still providing gems like this: http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanL . . . 000458161906 |
| [00:05:51] | justinh: | note: I had no idea who the guy in the photo is, but I'll take everybody's word for it that it's Linus |
| [00:07:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you should have used this in your fonts argument btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDiDATbIG-o |
| [00:09:32] | wagnerrp: | what movie is that? i mean theres only been a hundred and fifty variations on the subtitles |
| [00:10:41] | Wicked: | awesome find justinh :) |
| [00:11:26] | oobe: | lol @ torrent part vid |
| [00:14:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Hahahah, that is classic |
| [00:15:04] | iamlindoro: | justinh, need to send to a few of my typographically inclined friends |
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| [00:16:59] | justinh: | stumbled on it & thought it nicely topical ;) |
| [00:19:16] | AndrewNC_: | hah, startrek line is the best |
| [00:19:51] | AndrewNC_: | or perhaps wingdings |
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| [00:20:24] | wagnerrp: | is there any real purpose to wingdings? |
| [00:20:45] | AndrewNC_: | easier to render/print than graphics? |
| [00:21:09] | wagnerrp: | the only time ive ever seen it used is during some project presentation in class |
| [00:21:29] | wagnerrp: | when they used a different version of powerpoint than the machines hooked up to the projector |
| [00:21:30] | AndrewNC_: | or 9/11 conspiracies... |
| [00:21:49] | wagnerrp: | so it defaulted to wingdings in spite of the efforts of the now panicking student |
| [00:22:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wingdings.asp |
| [00:22:19] | justinh: | making the home menu icon in blootube. wingdings |
| [00:22:32] | AndrewNC_: | wtf there are dozens of those parody clips, what movie is that from? |
| [00:22:39] | justinh: | somebody really went to town on me for that btw |
| [00:23:07] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [00:23:39] | justinh: | seem to remember somebody gave me a ribbing for subtitling a certain angry german kid video too. some people.. |
| [00:23:57] | AndrewNC_: | kormoc: some rumors depend upon people's unwillingness to open MS Word and verify |
| [00:24:54] | justinh: | the movie the hitler subs are done on is 'Downfall' btw |
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| [00:39:42] | justinh: | hmm apparently http://www.gunaxin.com/the-new-features-of-mythtv-22/29648 guy got his info from the mythui wiki page |
| [00:40:43] | justinh: | heh an actual direct quote. whoops |
| [00:41:55] | wagnerrp: | jamu is one of the top two new bits of 0.22? |
| [00:43:37] | wagnerrp: | nothing against jamu, but i think there are bigger changes than a (very large) script that doesnt even have to be used in combination with mythtv |
| [00:45:06] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Well that over hyped jamu more than a bit :( |
| [00:45:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean i see it as less a part of mythtv, and more something that can be used with mythtv |
| [00:45:34] | wagnerrp: | you even said that it was designed to be usable by the ttvdb guy outside of mythtv |
| [00:46:37] | wagnerrp: | you have some program that pings you whenever someone mentions jamu, miro, or ttvdb? :P |
| [00:46:40] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I am still reading but the actually got the acronym wrong Jamu does not end in Editor but Utility |
| [00:47:39] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Yes I am using xchat2 and the Alerts feature |
| [00:47:47] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [00:48:23] | kormoc: | it sends a text message, and if he doesn't get back to the keyboard in 10 minutes, it sends out the death droids to hunt him down, it's quite the motivator |
| [00:48:27] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I figured I could help users easier. I tend to not watch the channel while I am programming. |
| [00:49:34] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I king of bugged me see you and iamlindoro answering user questions on my utilities. I did not think that was fair. |
| [00:49:50] | RDV_Linux: | s/king/kind/ |
| [00:50:09] | wagnerrp: | ive got no problem doing it, if its something i can answer |
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| [00:55:28] | oobe: | no he means its not fair cause he wanted to answer the question |
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| [01:02:30] | oobe: | justinh, what was that prog you said that you used to make animations or could be used ? |
| [01:02:33] | justinh: | eh? |
| [01:02:47] | justinh: | oh for theme graphics? |
| [01:03:16] | justinh: | any image editor. easiest with vectors though, so inkscape. and yes you really do have to save each image file individually |
| [01:03:29] | justinh: | unless you get bizzee with the scripting |
| [01:03:53] | oobe: | ok thanks |
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| [01:04:29] | jams: | *sigh* being force to use the windows qt style is retarded. Had it just how I wanted and now it looks odd. |
| [01:06:23] | Dagmar: | So change it |
| [01:06:50] | Dagmar: | Doing anything under Linux in "windows style" unless you're trying not to confuse old people is destined to fail anyway |
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| [01:17:25] | justinh: | it's a hangover from using qt widgets in mythfrontend I think :( |
| [01:18:09] | paul3v: | Can anyone offer advice on the WinTV HVR 950? Can lock stations and view, but video is choppy and box will crash sometimes. |
| [01:20:01] | wagnerrp: | crash? like you have a kernel panic? or like you drop back to the main menu? |
| [01:20:39] | janneg: | jams: your own theme or do you have local modifications? qt widgets in Terra are unuseable with any other qt style |
| [01:21:01] | jams: | my own theme |
| [01:21:50] | janneg: | jams: otoh qt widgets will be hopefully removed before 0.23 |
| [01:21:54] | paul3v: | I'll be watching in VLC (with the choppy video) and then the screen just turns black. I can't access anything else (alt+ctrl+f1-f8) |
| [01:22:11] | paul3v: | Just completely unresponsive |
| [01:22:52] | jams: | janneg- right..i'm just thinking the qtlook setting getting the axe could have waited until the qt widgets were removed |
| [01:23:37] | Crypia: | Hello – When importing music through the frontend, the apostrophes in filenames are replaced with underscores. I see a setting to replace spaces with underscores, but no apostrophes, can this behavior be changed? |
| [01:24:24] | jams: | not that it's going to be put back cause I said something, but just something to think about when reviewing other settings |
| [01:25:21] | paul3v: | logs say "em28xx loaded successfully" |
| [01:25:23] | jams: | will just end up replacing the windows qt style with something that works. |
| [01:28:00] | Dagmar: | So complain to your distro maintainer |
| [01:28:01] | sphery: | and the qt widgets were unusable in MythCenter with any other style |
| [01:28:19] | Dagmar: | The Qt widgets in the setup menus weren't locked to anything when I last looked at thatc ode |
| [01:28:24] | sphery: | jams: you don't have to change your desktop setting, either |
| [01:28:27] | Dagmar: | They're controlled by whatever the distro set |
| [01:28:30] | sphery: | you simply have to have the Windows style installed |
| [01:28:30] | paul3v: | I can use dvbscan, azap just fine so I thought the driver was fine |
| [01:28:38] | wagnerrp: | paul3v: so this is a VLC issue? not a mythtv issue? |
| [01:28:44] | sphery: | which it should be for any Qt instlal |
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| [01:28:56] | jams: | sphery- what about changing my desktop setting? |
| [01:29:05] | Dagmar: | jams: You can do that |
| [01:29:05] | sphery: | change it how you always changed it |
| [01:29:06] | paul3v: | Right. So I realize this is a mythtv support channel but thought someone might have experience with it. |
| [01:29:08] | jams: | you mean the desktop qt style setting? |
| [01:29:31] | paul3v: | Same thing happens with vlc and mythtv. Leads me to believe it's an issue unrelated to mythtv |
| [01:29:44] | wagnerrp: | ok, so mythtv does the same thing then.... |
| [01:29:44] | sphery: | if you set your desktop to use CoolestQtStyleEver, it will apply to every app, except Myth |
| [01:30:11] | paul3v: | Yeah, choppy video and will seg fault sometimes too |
| [01:30:13] | sphery: | and since the Qt style is only really used by a couple of popups and the settings/setup stuff, it's not much of Myth that's affected |
| [01:30:21] | paul3v: | Vlc doesn't seg fault, just goes to all black screen |
| [01:30:26] | Dagmar: | paul3v: Make it happen again, then try to ssh into the machine from outside |
| [01:30:42] | Dagmar: | If you can, then the console hardware is all that's locked up, and you can be sure it's the video driver |
| [01:30:45] | wagnerrp: | chances are a problem with the driver, and mythtv and vlc just seem to handle driver faults differently |
| [01:30:48] | sphery: | jams: do you have an example of what looks odd? |
| [01:30:49] | Dagmar: | It's probably the video driver in any case tho |
| [01:30:54] | sphery: | screenshot or something? |
| [01:31:04] | paul3v: | Video driver meaning my Radeon or the usb stick driver? |
| [01:31:09] | wagnerrp: | output driver |
| [01:31:22] | Dagmar: | The driver used to _play back video_ to rather obviously, the radeon driver |
| [01:31:23] | wagnerrp: | he wants to know if its killing the entire system, or just the video output |
| [01:31:27] | sphery: | or was it in the MythVantage plugin or something? |
| [01:31:29] | jams: | sphery- nope and it's not worth the trouble. |
| [01:31:34] | jams: | I will deal with it |
| [01:31:48] | jams: | I know i'm the minority here |
| [01:31:53] | wagnerrp: | whether its a full panic, or if youre just breaking X such that you cannot exit it |
| [01:31:55] | Dagmar: | There's a lot of cases in which it's actually just killing the console but not the _machine_ as it were, so you can ssh back in from elsewhere and often slap X down to regain control of the console |
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| [01:32:33] | paul3v: | Yea, I'll try that now. Thanks for the suggestion |
| [01:32:41] | jams: | like I said earlier, just seemed like removing that setting was premature |
| [01:33:16] | jams: | and I was annoyed when screens no longer look correct |
| [01:33:17] | sphery: | I tried all 6 of the styles that ship with Qt4.x and with every single one of them at least some of the settings widgets were unusable/didn't show focus/... with MythCenter*, Terra, Graphite, Metallurgy, and Mythbuntu except with the Windows style. It's the only one where all widgets were usable in all those themes with the qtlook.txt's we have now. |
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| [01:33:53] | janneg: | jams: I guess it could have caused problems with other themes too |
| [01:34:02] | janneg: | bah too slow |
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| [01:45:36] | paul3v: | Running and ssh'd into box via iphone |
| [01:45:47] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [01:45:49] | jams: | so I really wasn't looking for an explanation as to why it was removed(i do understand) or even asking to put it back. Just raising awareness that if it affected one person it will affect others. May have been a bit harsh in my initial comment but I was annoyed when the look/feel changed for no real reason. |
| [01:46:19] | jams: | and by real I mean "I didn't change any settings" |
| [01:46:35] | paul3v: | Not crashing yet, but video was super-choppy and now just get a single picture which hasn't changed with audio |
| [01:46:45] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a second, real computer? |
| [01:47:07] | paul3v: | Ha, I have a laptop but this does the job |
| [01:48:01] | paul3v: | So, looks like it's signficantly less choppy wiht a small video size |
| [01:48:15] | paul3v: | Running amd phenom II 940 |
| [01:48:30] | paul3v: | with a Radeon HD 4850, shouldn't have any problems handling full-screen video.... |
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| [01:49:09] | wagnerrp: | that would be... lack of video drivers |
| [01:49:22] | wagnerrp: | you need to be running the proprietary ATI drivers |
| [01:49:33] | wagnerrp: | not whatever shipped with Xorg that happens to sorta work |
| [01:50:01] | sphery: | jams: yeah, didn't take it as a request to put it back |
| [01:50:16] | sphery: | jams: I just hope we get all the Qt-style-using parts of Myth out really soon, now. |
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| [01:53:19] | paul3v: | Just went to a black screen. ssh died with the screen. I noticed some shutdown-type messages flash right before it went black |
| [01:54:14] | wagnerrp: | you need to be running the fglrx drivers |
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| [01:54:30] | wagnerrp: | avoiding that, you can just buy an nvidia card and be done with it |
| [01:54:59] | paul3v: | Using "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver" |
| [01:55:19] | paul3v: | "This driver is activated and currently in use." |
| [01:55:56] | wagnerrp: | run 'xdpyinfo | head 50' and see if 'Xv' or 'Xvideo' is listed in the modules list |
| [01:56:51] | jams: | sphery- btw I never thought it changed my entire desktop setting, thought you were referring to the qtstyle option of desktop. Which didn't make sense in the context because that was no longer an option =) |
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| [01:57:33] | paul3v: | Nope |
| [01:57:52] | paul3v: | AMDXVOPL ? |
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| [01:59:39] | paul3v: | Did you mean xdpyinfo | head -n 50? |
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| [01:59:55] | paul3v: | Either way I grep'd for it and nothing |
| [02:00:15] | sphery: | if you're grep'ing, don't need the head |
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| [02:00:22] | paul3v: | Right, I know but ty :) |
| [02:00:23] | sphery: | xdpyinfo | grep -i Xv |
| [02:00:27] | Crypia: | Apostrophes in imported music filenames get replaced with underscores. There's a setting to replace spaces with underscores, but not apostrophes, can this be changed somewhere? |
| [02:00:28] | wagnerrp: | and you should be doing an '-i' as well |
| [02:00:37] | wagnerrp: | look at that, you got one! :P |
| [02:00:43] | sphery: | 1 out of 1000 |
| [02:00:46] | sphery: | not bad... |
| [02:00:46] | paul3v: | XVideo |
| [02:00:52] | paul3v: | Ah, thanks for the -i |
| [02:01:25] | sphery: | paul3v: and do you have the DRM stuff set up |
| [02:01:37] | sphery: | (Direct-Rendering Manager, not Digital Rights Managment) |
| [02:01:52] | paul3v: | Perhaps not. How do I check / what do I read? |
| [02:02:08] | sphery: | most (all?) new ATI cards require that to be working properly for Xv to work |
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| [02:02:50] | bobbies: | can someone tell me where myth stores the LiveTV files? My drive is full and I cannot do anything |
| [02:03:24] | [R]: | bobbies: in the recording dir |
| [02:03:34] | [R]: | it shuld be expiring them if you are out of space |
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| [02:04:06] | bobbies: | [R] you'd think so but it's not. |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | livetv gets deleted within one day, when you run out of space |
| [02:04:11] | wagnerrp: | which ever comes first |
| [02:04:47] | sphery: | in theory, though, if the DRM stuff wsan't working, it wouldn't say XVideo in xdpyinfo |
| [02:04:49] | bobbies: | is there a default dir for recording dir? |
| [02:04:55] | jams: | bobbies- the storage location is controlled by a setting within mythtv |
| [02:05:10] | sphery: | bobbies: In Watch Recordings, hit MENU (M), then Change Group Filter, then select LiveTV |
| [02:05:10] | jams: | the default location depends on the distro or pkg manager |
| [02:05:51] | sphery: | bobbies: once you've done that, highlight the left column (group/LiveTV) and then MENU|Add this group to the playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options|Delete (and allow re-record) |
| [02:05:54] | jams: | hopefully mysql is able to start and didn't crap out because of no drive space |
| [02:05:59] | bobbies: | +sphery: nothing is working, I can't connect to the DB, I can barely get to the desktop |
| [02:06:08] | sphery: | ah, then your db has crashed |
| [02:06:08] | bobbies: | +jams: bingo |
| [02:06:56] | jams: | bobbies- /var is the myth default but if your using a pkg manager that may not be the case. |
| [02:07:37] | jams: | suppose you could do a du to look for large dirs. |
| [02:07:39] | bobbies: | +jams: I'm running mythbuntu |
| [02:07:40] | paul3v: | So I should ensure that DRM is set up correctly? |
| [02:08:03] | jams: | bobbies- well with mythbuntu I don't know where they store things. Perhaps someone else does |
| [02:08:06] | sphery: | paul3v: it probably is if xdpyinfo says xvideo |
| [02:08:40] | mag0o: | any thoughts on a samsung PN50B550 |
| [02:08:45] | jams: | you could ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [02:08:51] | sphery: | paul3v: I'd recommend going into Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback and on the 3rd screen, change the Playback Profile group to (the default configuration of) Slim |
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| [02:14:44] | bobbies: | +sphery: There is never anyone talking in there, but I did find it /var/lib/mythtv |
| [02:15:28] | jams: | wow they keep the default location. Would not have guessed that |
| [02:16:21] | paul3v: | Ok, I'll try watching tv now sphery |
| [02:18:40] | sphery: | bobbies: did you ensure you have mysql's binary logging disabled? do you have huge log files in /var/log ? |
| [02:19:09] | sphery: | or possibly in the mysql dirs |
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| [02:23:40] | paul3v: | Ok, I can still watch live tv but it is reaaally slow |
| [02:23:45] | paul3v: | Like 5 fps |
| [02:24:26] | sphery: | hmmm... I don't know what else could cause it. any clues in the frontend logs? |
| [02:25:26] | paul3v: | lemme boot it back up and write to a file |
| [02:26:53] | paul3v: | lol |
| [02:26:57] | paul3v: | seg fault |
| [02:27:05] | Dagmar: | The video driver isn't installed properlt. |
| [02:27:18] | Dagmar: | s/propertlt/properly/; |
| [02:27:48] | paul3v: | VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'ATI Radeon AVIVO Video' |
| [02:27:49] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:32.879 OSD Theme Dimensions W: 640 H: 480 |
| [02:27:50] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:32.888 DPMS Deactivated |
| [02:27:52] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:33.199 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [02:27:53] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:33.200 New DB connection, total: 4 |
| [02:27:55] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:33.200 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [02:27:57] | paul3v: | 2009-10–22 21:21:33.200 Realtime priority would require SUID as root. |
| [02:28:02] | Dagmar: | Do not flood the channel. |
| [02:28:07] | Dagmar: | Use pastebin.ca or something. |
| [02:28:12] | paul3v: | Sorry |
| [02:28:15] | Dagmar: | Secondly, that is not useful. |
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| [02:28:44] | paul3v: | What would be useful? |
| [02:28:54] | Dagmar: | Start by pasting the output of `xdpyinfo` |
| [02:29:05] | sphery: | it does sounds like a broken install of the video drivers |
| [02:29:57] | sphery: | paul3v: BTW, please try starting mythfrontend after setting environment variables like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164 |
| [02:30:22] | sphery: | works around some driver bugs |
| [02:31:39] | iamlindoro: | xris, Could you possibly add a subscription link to mythtv-theming on the web site alongside the others? |
| [02:32:07] | paul3v: | http://pastebin.ca/1639227 |
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| [02:33:33] | paul3v: | Set those two vars, re-trying |
| [02:33:52] | paul3v: | Thanks for your help so far guys, I do appreciate it :) |
| [02:36:34] | paul3v: | http://pastebin.ca/1639236 for mythfrontend -l log |
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| [02:38:17] | paul3v: | Still same issues with new env vars |
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| [02:46:09] | paul3v: | hmm, should have purchased an nVidia card huh |
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| [02:50:18] | paul3v: | Forgive my ignorance, but if it's a video card driver issue, why did ssh go down too? |
| [02:51:38] | czth: | Is there a way to automatically update the video index (what running "video manager" does), to pick up new files? |
| [02:51:51] | czth: | E.g. a command line script. |
| [02:53:36] | Dagmar: | You like long, dramatic pauses while the machine scans your disk for video files happening every time like that? |
| [02:54:33] | czth: | well, ideally i can hook up inotify and not have much of a pause |
| [02:55:12] | czth: | since i'm already shuffling stuff around with script using (py)inotify |
| [02:55:44] | Dagmar: | 'cept Myth isn't hooking that |
| [02:55:50] | squish102: | czth, i would like to do that too |
| [02:55:53] | Dagmar: | ...because inotify won't help you on remote filesystems. |
| [02:55:54] | Dagmar: | *ahem* |
| [02:56:17] | czth: | funny that. it worked for an smb-mounted fs. but let's say i just want it locally. |
| [02:56:57] | czth: | but i wouldn't need myth to hook it, just a way to build a bridge, i.e. a way to say "add this file" "remove this file". |
| [02:59:39] | paul3v: | Thanks for your help Dagmar and sphery. I have to get going but appreciate the effort |
| [03:00:42] | sphery: | paul3v: sorry I couldn't be of any more help |
| [03:00:47] | sphery: | good luck with it |
| [03:01:04] | Wicked: | hmm seems mythgallery wont compile for me from latest svn...and i cant disable it either |
| [03:01:25] | Wicked: | if i do ./configure --disbale-mythgallery it still says its gonna build |
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| [03:03:13] | Wicked: | this is on 0.22-fixes. |
| [03:06:00] | Wicked: | :o seems one of the files is owned by root |
| [03:06:09] | Wicked: | i think this will fix it |
| [03:07:26] | czth: | looks like mythvideo has incremental scan for videos in .22 – still has to be manually triggered through AFAICS |
| [03:07:44] | czth: | and gentoo's only at .21-p20563 |
| [03:08:29] | wagnerrp: | afaics? |
| [03:08:49] | iamlindoro: | can see |
| [03:08:55] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [03:09:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythvideo's scan must be manually triggered |
| [03:09:15] | wagnerrp: | as do metadata grabs |
| [03:09:37] | wagnerrp: | if you want something automated, JAMU can be run through cron |
| [03:14:22] | czth: | yeah i just found jamu and was looking at it, seems it's only .22+ though |
| [03:14:33] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [03:14:35] | czth: | but maybe i can directly modify the videometadata and associated tables |
| [03:14:38] | wagnerrp: | however 0.22 is just a couple days away |
| [03:15:04] | czth: | i'll be upgrading when gentoo gets it. figure i might as well stay with the packages as gentoo organizes them. |
| [03:15:22] | czth: | modifying the tables could be trouble if myth caches a lot though |
| [03:15:35] | wagnerrp: | so use one of the trunk packages in portage |
| [03:15:51] | czth: | hm, good point, i'll see what they have |
| [03:16:07] | wagnerrp: | if you want to change the revision, just change the filename and digest it |
| [03:16:26] | czth: | there's a hard masked alpha... might wait a bit |
| [03:16:35] | czth: | what revision? |
| [03:16:48] | wagnerrp: | subversion revision |
| [03:17:07] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo builds are all off subversion, either on the trunk, or the 0.21-fixes branch |
| [03:18:15] | wagnerrp: | so you have removable, or otherwise transient material you want in mythvideo? |
| [03:18:57] | wagnerrp: | you can put mythvideo into 'browse' mode |
| [03:19:02] | wagnerrp: | in which case it does not use the database |
| [03:19:18] | wagnerrp: | but rather does a directory scan when you first entry mythvideo |
| [03:19:23] | wagnerrp: | enter |
| [03:19:34] | wagnerrp: | however, as a result, you get no metadata |
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| [03:24:38] | czth: | woot, updating videometadata adds stuff (just have to go out of video list and back in). |
| [03:24:55] | czth: | gotta find python's mysql module, hook it up to my inotify-using script, and bob's your uncle |
| [03:25:34] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:25:38] | wagnerrp: | use the bindings |
| [03:25:45] | czth: | which bindings? |
| [03:25:51] | wagnerrp: | python bindings |
| [03:25:57] | czth: | wagnerrp: i have programs auto-fetching shows from BT |
| [03:25:59] | wagnerrp: | they will automatically find the database, and connect |
| [03:26:04] | czth: | where can i find them? |
| [03:26:14] | wagnerrp: | very likely installed with mythtv |
| [03:26:17] | wagnerrp: | try 'import MythTV' |
| [03:26:58] | czth: | not much luck in my python3.1 install |
| [03:27:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they are for 2.x |
| [03:27:35] | iamlindoro: | erm, wagnerrp, may want to read carefully above |
| [03:27:36] | wagnerrp: | ill probably consider a 3.x compatible rewrite for 0.23 |
| [03:27:41] | iamlindoro: | he just lost his support contract |
| [03:27:53] | iamlindoro: | 20:25 |
| [03:28:03] | iamlindoro: | (I guess 22:25 for you) |
| [03:28:04] | wagnerrp: | ah, very well |
| [03:28:10] | wagnerrp: | (23:25) |
| [03:28:16] | iamlindoro: | or that :) |
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| [03:29:22] | czth: | not much different from borrowing a VHS tape of the show from a friend, as long as it's not a DVD rip |
| [03:30:03] | iamlindoro: | It's very different-- moreover, discussing anything like that here is offlimits and not up for discussion |
| [03:30:16] | iamlindoro: | (and we won't help anyone who mentions that stuff) |
| [03:30:48] | czth: | your place, your rules. neutrality would be a good idea too though. |
| [03:31:07] | mchou: | czth: man, you've been warned about this many times before |
| [03:31:22] | czth: | ummm... i have? |
| [03:31:27] | mchou: | czth: yup |
| [03:31:35] | czth: | i don't recall ever asking about it. got a log? |
| [03:31:36] | wagnerrp: | theres no point to neutrality, no one sues you for not supporting piracy |
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| [03:50:31] | oobe: | but what if a pirate broke into your house then bludgeoned you with his peg leg |
| [03:51:23] | oobe: | or gouged your eye out with his hook arrgh me matey |
| [03:51:32] | wagnerrp: | well then he likely wouldnt be sitting at home, downloading videos off BT |
| [03:51:44] | wagnerrp: | hed be in somalia |
| [03:52:15] | oobe: | oh that sort of piracy |
| [03:52:20] | wagnerrp: | or maybe the Caribbean, or somewhere in Polynesia |
| [03:52:45] | oobe: | or on a sail ship with wifi |
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| [03:53:10] | wagnerrp: | a pirate on a ship with sails wouldnt be doing much piracy |
| [03:53:13] | sphery: | do you know how much they charge for wifi on cruise ships? |
| [03:53:35] | wagnerrp: | probably 5–10x what hughesnet charges them |
| [03:53:50] | sphery: | I'm thinking in was $0.59/min |
| [03:54:59] | sphery: | $0.55/min or prepaid — http://www.royalcaribbean.com/beforeyouboard/ . . . op+10+FAQ's+ |
| [03:55:57] | oobe: | yeah that doesnt surprise me |
| [03:56:03] | sphery: | plus activation . Carnival is $3.95 activation and $0.75/min – http://www.carnival.com/CMS/FAQs/On_Board_Internet_Cafes.aspx |
| [03:56:16] | mchou: | wow, that is piracy |
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| [03:56:29] | sphery: | if all 'net were like that, people would just go out and rent/buy the movies :) |
| [03:57:01] | mchou: | indeed |
| [03:57:19] | mchou: | BYO satphone |
| [03:57:22] | sphery: | generally, though, if you're a frequent cruiser, you can get the activation fee waived (or get a coupon for it and 10min Internet or something) |
| [03:58:08] | Essobi: | WEEEEEE! |
| [03:58:14] | oobe: | wow http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_XP . . . _The_Rewrite |
| [03:58:16] | wagnerrp: | i have a cousin who went backpacking through canada, i think he said his satphone was like $2/min |
| [03:58:23] | oobe: | xp has NSA backdoors |
| [03:59:18] | sphery: | who knew Johnny Depp was such a hacker |
| [03:59:26] | clever: | oobe: never trust anything you find on that site |
| [04:00:10] | oobe: | yea but i know who maddox is and i just found other sources on nsa backdoors |
| [04:00:31] | oobe: | apparently it was since win 95 and lotus do it too |
| [04:00:45] | sphery: | "All of the security exploits are fixed now" — wow, the first 100% secure software program, ever (well, second after OpenBSD, of course) |
| [04:00:48] | oobe: | http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtrut . . . _windows.htm |
| [04:00:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery, which is dead anyway |
| [04:01:03] | iamlindoro: | I read it on /. |
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| [04:01:19] | sphery: | what? |
| [04:01:35] | iamlindoro: | OpenBSD dead |
| [04:01:38] | clever: | sphery: shure :P |
| [04:01:47] | sphery: | I'm looking on /. and don't see it |
| [04:02:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It's a mem |
| [04:02:03] | iamlindoro: | mem |
| [04:02:04] | Essobi: | ........ |
| [04:02:05] | iamlindoro: | meme |
| [04:02:07] | wagnerrp: | its said any time theres an article about one of the BSDs |
| [04:02:14] | sphery: | oh |
| [04:02:24] | Essobi: | OpenBSD isn't dead. Heh. |
| [04:02:26] | ** sphery isn't too smart ** | |
| [04:02:30] | wagnerrp: | openbsd is dead, use linux |
| [04:02:36] | wagnerrp: | netbsd/freebsd is dead, use linux |
| [04:02:41] | wagnerrp: | linux is dead, use osx |
| [04:02:41] | sphery: | I see |
| [04:02:46] | wagnerrp: | osx is dead, long live microsoft |
| [04:02:52] | sphery: | guess I don't participate in enough *BSD discussions |
| [04:02:58] | ** Essobi points the the 'Chuck' tattoo on his left arm. ** | |
| [04:03:11] | sphery: | Well, OS X has to be, what, 5 times better than OS/2 |
| [04:03:22] | wagnerrp: | 20 |
| [04:03:35] | sphery: | heh... math jokes |
| [04:03:39] | wagnerrp: | that was only half an operating system |
| [04:03:46] | Essobi: | http://www.instantrimshot.com/ |
| [04:03:56] | sphery: | we're like xkcd wannabes |
| [04:04:28] | wagnerrp: | with our kindergarten level arithmatic? |
| [04:04:34] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [04:27:52] | fbnts: | Hi, I recently upgraded to 0.22RC1 and now have a problem with mythweb |
| [04:28:22] | fbnts: | When I delete a program it disappears but when I refresh the recordings page it hasn't gone |
| [04:30:02] | [R]: | it uses ajax... there is a popup "1 action pending" or something liek that |
| [04:30:11] | [R]: | you need to wait until that goes away |
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| [04:30:16] | [R]: | (consequently... the recording will automatically disapear) |
| [04:30:41] | fbnts: | yep I do – I just sat and deleted 50 odd old recordings from June that were wasting space |
| [04:31:29] | fbnts: | The only thing I can see in the log is: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1014_20091014142800.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [04:31:45] | clever: | then it cant find the file and cant delete it |
| [04:32:07] | fbnts: | hmm, should I just go and delete the file manually? |
| [04:32:17] | clever: | does the file even exist, anywhere? |
| [04:32:35] | clever: | maybe something else already rm'd it, and buggered up mythtv |
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| [04:34:58] | fbnts: | ah, it seems to take some time to delete the actual file |
| [04:35:09] | clever: | that too |
| [04:35:15] | clever: | do you have delayed deletes on? |
| [04:35:27] | fbnts: | not sure, is that a setting somewhere? |
| [04:35:36] | clever: | yes |
| [04:35:52] | fbnts: | is that in Mythtv or ubuntu? |
| [04:35:56] | clever: | mythtv |
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| [04:36:03] | clever: | and it makes the deletes even slower |
| [04:36:13] | clever: | its off by default |
| [04:36:15] | fbnts: | ah ok, will look for that |
| [04:36:36] | clever: | but it exists, because deleting 5gig files can cripple the system |
| [04:36:47] | clever: | its there to slow things down and un-cripple it |
| [04:37:26] | Dagmar: | This is why we say not to use ext3 for the filestore |
| [04:37:36] | Dagmar: | Big deletes halt all the IO to that disk while they're journaled |
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| [04:37:41] | Dagmar: | ...and it takes a WHILE. |
| [04:37:52] | Dagmar: | JFS/XFS don't have this very irksome issue |
| [04:38:07] | fbnts: | one thing thats strange, these recordings are from June and they have the autoexpire set, is there any other reason as to why they haven't already been deleted? |
| [04:38:32] | clever: | fbnts: how much free space do you have? |
| [04:39:14] | fbnts: | 62gb on the disk that I store the recordings and 51gb on the system disk |
| [04:39:50] | clever: | auto expire doesnt usualy kick in until ATLEAST under 20gig is free |
| [04:39:58] | clever: | ive got mine set for 5gig |
| [04:40:46] | fbnts: | Its usually a few gb free but I have deleted some other video files |
| [04:41:12] | fbnts: | Its kept two series from June onwards, but all other TV recordings only last about 2 weeks |
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| [04:41:24] | fbnts: | its these two series im trying to delete |
| [04:41:43] | clever: | did you change the scheduling priorities any? |
| [04:41:46] | fbnts: | one of them is 50 episodes each are about 2gb |
| [04:41:57] | fbnts: | yep it is set to 4 |
| [04:41:58] | clever: | those may (depending on settings) effect the order it expires things in |
| [04:42:19] | fbnts: | ah, I didn't realise that, I though the priorities were just for recording conflicts |
| [04:42:20] | clever: | also check 'mythbackend --printexpire' |
| [04:42:25] | clever: | it lists them in the order it expires them in |
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| [04:42:54] | clever: | i can see a few CSI episodes at the start, because they are in the 'Deleted' group (special one) |
| [04:43:25] | fbnts: | hmm, they are not showing in the list when I do mythbackend --printexpire |
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| [04:47:43] | fbnts: | where is the setting for delayed delete? |
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| [04:50:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythtv-setup |
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| [05:47:06] | olejl: | How can I disable mythbackend during ./configure? I can't find any options for it |
| [05:47:14] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [05:47:28] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
| [05:48:07] | olejl: | because it is a frontend only |
| [05:48:18] | olejl: | but ok, I just won't use it then |
| [05:48:38] | wagnerrp: | but mythbackend adds all of a couple extra percent of compile time, and a couple extra MB of storage |
| [05:49:23] | wagnerrp: | rather inconsequential comparatively |
| [05:49:46] | wagnerrp: | the only scenario where you might want to bother is minimyth on a CF card |
| [05:49:57] | wagnerrp: | but even then, 4GB chips are now dirty cheap |
| [05:50:15] | olejl: | actually there is a switch called --disable-backend (at least configure doesn't complain about unknown option), but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| [05:50:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | make && sudo make install && sudo rm /usr/local/bin/mythbackend |
| [05:50:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | it's also unsupported. |
| [05:50:45] | wagnerrp: | olejl: there IS on, but it was disabled several versions ago |
| [05:50:56] | wagnerrp: | you have to manually go in and alter the configure script to make it work |
| [05:51:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | was there to help building/testing the Win32 builds I believe. |
| [05:51:12] | olejl: | but no worries, not a big deal, and I have plenty of storage |
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| [07:57:52] | tjcarter: | @geohot I just ordered 7 whoppers, can you guess what I'm making? |
| [07:58:22] | Seventoes: | diarrhea? |
| [07:58:32] | tjcarter: | @p0sixninja @geohot a heart condition? |
| [08:02:20] | tjcarter: | Seventoes: Windows 7 Whopper |
| [08:02:47] | tjcarter: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/art . . . Whopper.html |
| [08:02:49] | Seventoes: | a Whopper that asks to confirm every time you try to take a bite? |
| [08:03:46] | tjcarter: | and displays a popup map to the hospital. |
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| [08:19:45] | mchou: | holy crap |
| [08:19:54] | mchou: | that's nasty! |
| [08:20:57] | mchou: | That pretty much spells out the death of Microsoft right there |
| [08:21:20] | mchou: | They used to have a decent marketing machine |
| [08:21:38] | mchou: | and now that's the best they could come up with? |
| [08:23:06] | mchou: | "most bizzare cross promotional campaign ever" doesn't even begin to describe it |
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| [09:04:18] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [09:05:14] | lwizardl: | what would be the best card to get either Nvidia 9500GT, 6200, or fx5200 ? |
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| [09:05:51] | Dibblah: | lwizardl: gt220 |
| [09:05:55] | lwizardl: | i'm thinking the 9500GT card being 512MB |
| [09:06:20] | lwizardl: | Dibblah, only those 3 cards are my option need low profile card |
| [09:06:32] | Dibblah: | gt220 is available lp |
| [09:07:02] | lwizardl: | hmm ok because those are the only ones showing up on newegg as low profile pci (not pci-e) |
| [09:07:39] | Dibblah: | http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-geforce-g210- . . . ial-0948883/ |
| [09:07:42] | Dibblah: | Oh. |
| [09:07:52] | Dibblah: | Really wouldn't recommend _anything_ PCI. |
| [09:08:14] | lwizardl: | yeah but the server I was going to get doesn't have pci-e |
| [09:08:23] | Dibblah: | Server? |
| [09:08:30] | lwizardl: | yeah 2U server |
| [09:08:37] | Dibblah: | Uhmm... Why? |
| [09:08:50] | sid3windr: | heh |
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| [09:08:55] | sid3windr: | server need fancy video! |
| [09:08:56] | Dibblah: | Rackmount kit really doesn't look all that good in the living room. Trust me on this. |
| [09:09:03] | Dibblah: | And it's generally _noisy_. |
| [09:09:06] | lwizardl: | because how the setup is |
| [09:09:34] | lwizardl: | Dibblah, nope not going into home, its going to be my main media source in my shop. showing trailers, etc |
| [09:10:14] | sid3windr: | so get the 9500GT then :) |
| [09:10:16] | Dibblah: | I would then recommend rack kit even less. |
| [09:10:30] | tjcarter: | I can never watch anything about Egypt or Egyptian history anymore. |
| [09:10:33] | Dibblah: | Unless, of course, you have a rack that you need to look neat. |
| [09:10:56] | lwizardl: | this is what i was looking at http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1206 |
| [09:11:39] | lwizardl: | I have a 6ft server rack that is going to be used for the security system, POS system, routers, and modem |
| [09:14:01] | Dibblah: | You're paying $400 for them to stick a standard PC with integrated graphics into a rackmountable chassis. |
| [09:15:03] | tjcarter: | I don't care what they say, the pyramids predate Egyptian civilization and were built as landing sites for alien space craft. |
| [09:15:05] | lwizardl: | yeah but i can never find the chassis for a decent price either. |
| [09:15:21] | tjcarter: | The Egyptian gods are actually parasitic aliens. |
| [09:15:39] | tjcarter: | These are facts, and Egyptologists are just putting out a cover story. |
| [09:15:40] | lwizardl: | tjcarter, i still watch eygpt stuff alot, and i don't think they designed them first i think they had help |
| [09:16:12] | sid3windr: | such a chassis is worth 200E :) |
| [09:16:14] | sid3windr: | ehh 150 |
| [09:16:15] | sid3windr: | or so |
| [09:16:35] | lwizardl: | yeah locally places sell them for about $350–400 |
| [09:16:54] | lwizardl: | and for $300 more i can just get that machine |
| [09:17:11] | Dibblah: | A shelf and a tower case costs $40. |
| [09:17:13] | lwizardl: | tiger direct has the server for $700 |
| [09:17:25] | lwizardl: | hehe yeah could do that |
| [09:17:35] | lwizardl: | and would be lots cheaper |
| [09:18:00] | lwizardl: | i built a better machine for $280 shipped from newegg |
| [09:18:20] | mchou: | tiger direct is lame vendor too |
| [09:18:28] | Dibblah: | Other options – look at Dell / IBM / HP's online reconditioned machines. |
| [09:18:37] | lwizardl: | yeah i don't buy much from them. i use newegg mostly |
| [09:21:32] | tjcarter: | lwizardl: Yeah, and I bet you think Cheyenne Mountain was just a missile silo too ;) |
| [09:22:07] | lwizardl: | tjcarter, no but I do think we the US citizens are screwed and will continue to be such |
| [09:22:22] | tjcarter: | lwizardl: oh well don't even get me started on that, comrade. |
| [09:22:27] | lwizardl: | hehe |
| [09:22:53] | lwizardl: | but thanks guys for the information on which card would be the best option for that system |
| [09:23:13] | tjcarter: | Don't confuse my dellusions with facts and political and scientific realities. |
| [09:23:15] | lwizardl: | my main home myth box using a 7300gs |
| [09:23:28] | ** tjcarter cannot use Myth =( ** | |
| [09:23:36] | mchou: | lwizardl: you gonna do any HD? |
| [09:23:40] | tjcarter: | I have a new, unsupported cable box |
| [09:24:15] | tjcarter: | Asked for assistance with writing the patch, and got a whole lot of silence, so I'm pretty well screwed. |
| [09:24:18] | lwizardl: | mchou, haven't decided that yet but if I do it will be stuff downloaded from the net only. stuff like quicktime trailers, etc |
| [09:24:42] | mchou: | lwizardl: what's the proc on the server? |
| [09:24:53] | lwizardl: | tjcarter, my cable box will be replaced soon with a dvr box and i hope it will still have firewire active |
| [09:25:05] | lwizardl: | mchou, # AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2.70GHz Dual Core Processor |
| [09:25:13] | lwizardl: | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1206 |
| [09:25:18] | tjcarter: | lwizardl: I have firewire, but the boxes are Pace RNG 110's |
| [09:25:40] | lwizardl: | my current box is a DCT6200 Motorola Comcast HD box |
| [09:25:58] | mchou: | lwizardl: sounds like any of the ones you originally mentioned will work |
| [09:26:11] | tjcarter: | I wish I had DCT6200s |
| [09:26:13] | tjcarter: | that'd work |
| [09:26:19] | tjcarter: | RNG 110s do not. |
| [09:26:51] | mchou: | oh nasty |
| [09:27:01] | mchou: | scientific atlanta junk |
| [09:27:06] | tjcarter: | Pace. |
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| [09:27:14] | tjcarter: | SA worked. |
| [09:27:20] | lwizardl: | my issue is that my myth box I can not get to work properly with my PVR-150 and Kworld ATSC 110 card. and I haven't tried the firewire ports yet |
| [09:27:37] | tjcarter: | I had to use an external channel changer |
| [09:27:59] | lwizardl: | but i know they are active on the comcast box because i was talking with the comcast installer about what I am going to do with them, and about my anime dvd collection |
| [09:29:18] | lwizardl: | mchou, cool would that system also handle the Elephants Dream movie |
| [09:30:50] | tjcarter: | mchou: Comcast is moving to these things everywhere. |
| [09:30:52] | mchou: | I have no idea what elephant dream is |
| [09:31:14] | mchou: | tjcarter: yeah, cost cutting |
| [09:31:44] | lwizardl: | mchou, basically an open source HD Movie made in blender http://www.elephantsdream.org/ |
| [09:31:53] | mchou: | tjcarter: so RNG-110 has open source on it apparently :) |
| [09:31:59] | lwizardl: | 1080 HD i think its 1080i though |
| [09:32:15] | tjcarter: | mchou: orly? |
| [09:32:29] | tjcarter: | mchou: not enough that anybody seems to know how to make the damned thing work ;) |
| [09:32:56] | tjcarter: | mchou: Questions about it on every list, forum, wiki, and everything else out there have gone basically unanswered. |
| [09:32:59] | mchou: | tjcarter: Is the firewire port active at all? |
| [09:33:07] | tjcarter: | Myth says so |
| [09:33:13] | tjcarter: | it just can't lock or tune. |
| [09:33:33] | mchou: | tjcarter: right. channel changer. should be easy fix |
| [09:33:49] | tjcarter: | That's what I asked for help to write |
| [09:34:20] | mchou: | if comcast has that everywhere help will come soon enough |
| [09:34:39] | tjcarter: | it shouldn't be too hard to patch in channel changing to existing code if someone knows how these things work and a little more about the FW API than I do. |
| [09:34:40] | mchou: | it's not rocket science |
| [09:35:25] | mchou: | tjcarter: start with 6200ch first |
| [09:35:32] | mchou: | the source, that is |
| [09:35:56] | mchou: | should be reasonably obvious how that works |
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| [09:37:10] | tjcarter: | Well, I did fix the sa3250HD channel changer to work with multiple boxes |
| [09:37:24] | mchou: | 6200ch is pretty compact and self contained |
| [09:38:41] | mchou: | so what's the difficulty with the pace box then? |
| [09:40:34] | tjcarter: | I think I see how to add the Pace box to 6200ch |
| [09:40:47] | tjcarter: | at least, how to add its IDs to it |
| [09:40:59] | tjcarter: | how to actually get it to change channels, that I'm not sure about |
| [09:42:49] | mchou: | http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/stbfirewire/ |
| [09:44:58] | mchou: | http://admin.freytechnologies.com/forums/show . . . ;postcount=5 |
| [09:45:16] | mchou: | tjcarter: "proof" that it works :) |
| [09:46:05] | mchou: | tjcarter: iow, trivial |
| [09:48:13] | justinh: | guy just came in the lab wanting stuff out of the cleaner's cupboard. I jokingly asked if he'd offed the product manager & needed help covering it up. Caused much hilarity here, such is the gloom |
| [09:49:39] | justinh: | ahh KDE, I set your bloody password store to not need a password to open & it worked yesterday. but today you ask for a password. Git |
| [09:50:24] | quicksilver: | damn internal DVD player crashed last night and got me in trouble with wife. |
| [09:50:36] | mchou: | haha |
| [09:50:38] | quicksilver: | every time I go out for an evening something goes wrong with myth so she can't watch tv |
| [09:50:48] | quicksilver: | screen just went black and it wouldn't quite. |
| [09:50:50] | quicksilver: | quit. |
| [09:51:05] | mchou: | quicksilver: serves you right |
| [09:51:09] | quicksilver: | for? going out? |
| [09:51:16] | mchou: | dont leave the wife alone w/myth |
| [09:51:33] | quicksilver: | I think I'm going to bind one IR button to "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" and one to "sudo reboot" |
| [09:51:38] | quicksilver: | then she's got a way to get out of trouble. |
| [09:51:55] | justinh: | heh. every time I'm in an inconvenient place to take a phonecall from home the backend falls over |
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| [09:51:59] | mchou: | that's assuming the machine didnt hard lock |
| [09:52:13] | quicksilver: | justinh: I already have a cron job starting the backend every 10 minutes. |
| [09:52:25] | quicksilver: | justinh: (it silently "does nothing" if it finds a backend already running so that's ok) |
| [09:52:26] | justinh: | 10 minutes? oo no that'd be no good |
| [09:52:48] | justinh: | I tried setting up monit but I've no idea what I'm doing there |
| [09:52:49] | quicksilver: | mchou: fortunately that's rarer. I'm sure it will happen next time. |
| [09:52:58] | mchou: | quicksilver: why the hell you need a cron job for that? |
| [09:53:23] | sid3windr: | mchou: ehh, because it crashes regularly? :) |
| [09:53:33] | sid3windr: | I still have to fix mine |
| [09:53:43] | quicksilver: | mchou: because it crashes, yes. |
| [09:53:50] | justinh: | I hate the fact I'd even need it tbh. mythbackend is way less crashy than other linux apps I run and yet it invariably decides to wobble off its perch when I'm not there. Sod's law |
| [09:53:51] | mchou: | sid3windr: no, if it crashes you dont use cron to revive |
| [09:54:02] | quicksilver: | why not? |
| [09:54:08] | sid3windr: | you mean you want a looping script? |
| [09:54:20] | mchou: | because there is a better way |
| [09:54:23] | quicksilver: | which is? |
| [09:54:43] | justinh: | get the feeling I'm missing part of the conversation here.. hmmm |
| [09:55:46] | tjcarter: | mchou: so I do just need to add the IDs then? |
| [09:56:09] | tjcarter: | mchou: That should be trivial then, I'll poke at it after I sleep |
| [09:56:12] | mchou: | tjcarter: preety much since it uses the same protocol as motorola |
| [09:56:20] | mchou: | pretty* |
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| [09:56:42] | tjcarter: | the SA boxes use "close to" the same protocol. |
| [09:57:08] | justinh: | I wouldn't say MBE crashes regularly but when it does it's a PITA and for no apparent reason |
| [09:57:10] | tjcarter: | I wish I still had my firewire channel tester |
| [09:57:24] | tjcarter: | it tested each channel 002–999 =) |
| [09:57:46] | tjcarter: | returned a list of working channels |
| [09:57:55] | tjcarter: | In Portland it should work with most |
| [09:58:07] | Dibblah: | justinh: Run it under a harness. |
| [09:58:07] | justinh: | still, it's nothing like MCE's backend stuff – remember MS adding a night-time restart for it back in SP2? ;-) |
| [09:59:00] | justinh: | Dibblah: technically I should put it under the gdb microscope but it's not that much of an inconvenience |
| [09:59:10] | quicksilver: | Dibblah: yes, I could probably use start-stop-daemon's auto restart mode on it, or something. |
| [09:59:19] | quicksilver: | Dibblah: but a cron job was much easier and it works. |
| [09:59:26] | justinh: | ruh? init scripts can do that now? |
| [10:00:06] | Dibblah: | while true; do xxx is my friend :) |
| [10:00:28] | justinh: | less messy than monit no doubt |
| [10:00:42] | justinh: | some would prolly argue it's a hack but wtf if it works |
| [10:00:53] | Dibblah: | Well, I ordered a few mini2440s. |
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| [10:01:16] | Dibblah: | Hopefully I'll be able to shoehorn them into multiroom audio, etc. |
| [10:01:20] | justinh: | actually since I'm out on the hoy tomorrow eve I should see if I can sort monit out |
| [10:02:29] | justinh: | cos I don't want to have to duck out of a bar, find somewhere quiet enough & try to keep my temper while my wife logs into the backend |
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| [10:05:01] | mchou: | quicksilver: look up "respawn" |
| [10:06:05] | mchou: | quicksilver: not to mention you should figure out what the root cause is |
| [10:06:14] | tjcarter: | mchou: thanks, I was afraid I would be without Myth for like 6 months or so. More like 6 more hours while I sleep =D |
| [10:06:16] | quicksilver: | you mean the 'inittab' entry? |
| [10:06:24] | mchou: | or at least help devs to figure it out |
| [10:06:27] | quicksilver: | I've never considered using inittab to keep a daemon running. |
| [10:06:41] | mchou: | quicksilver: why not? |
| [10:06:48] | quicksilver: | mchou: every time I report an issue to a dev they say "reproduce with latest SVN or we don't care" |
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| [10:07:04] | quicksilver: | mchou: so, since I don't wish to run the latest SVN on a useful appliance, I have stopped reporting bugs. |
| [10:07:14] | mchou: | quicksilver: lol |
| [10:07:37] | mchou: | so not getting luvin from the wife is your answer :) |
| [10:07:42] | quicksilver: | well their attitude makes some sense – they don't want to waste time on bugs which might already be fixed. |
| [10:07:58] | quicksilver: | but it does mean that I can't really be helpful to them |
| [10:08:02] | quicksilver: | which is a shame, but there you go. |
| [10:08:17] | solv: | mzb, thanks for your help last night....I discovered at about 1 am it was a busted video card...it started putting random colours and crap all over the screen...swapped it out for an identical card i had at work and it runs beautifully =) |
| [10:09:11] | quicksilver: | (re: inittab) no particular reason, it just seems the wrong level of abstract. the rc?.d scripts are the normal way to run demons/keep them running |
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| [10:16:18] | justinh: | seems a certain howto I followed missed out some important info |
| [10:17:38] | justinh: | just killed the backend to test monit & it hasn't restarted it automagically. suspect the 'group' is wrong |
| [10:18:15] | justinh: | ah no, bullshit. it's actually working. phew |
| [10:18:41] | jduggan_: | out on the hoy? |
| [10:18:47] | jduggan_: | as in, getting wazzard ? |
| [10:18:48] | justinh: | I realise now that I really shouldn't have called the system mythbackend though. |
| [10:18:52] | justinh: | yup |
| [10:18:54] | jduggan_: | :) |
| [10:18:56] | jduggan_: | same for me |
| [10:18:58] | justinh: | very wazzard |
| [10:19:00] | jduggan_: | i never go out |
| [10:19:05] | jduggan_: | like twice a year |
| [10:19:11] | justinh: | not been out to play for about a month |
| [10:19:17] | jduggan_: | but i managed to get coerced into a night out in nottingham |
| [10:19:37] | justinh: | I need another night out in newcastle. bored with manchester now |
| [10:19:42] | jduggan_: | someone booked a hotel for me so i had no choice, otherwise theyd be out of pocket |
| [10:19:52] | justinh: | harsh |
| [10:21:30] | justinh: | a poor excuse though since a lot of hotels only charge for cancellations in the final 24h |
| [10:21:33] | justinh: | :P |
| [10:22:17] | jduggan_: | heh |
| [10:25:15] | justinh: | last time I stayed in a newcastle hotel was a bit scary. I was the only one from our party in my hotel. got in the lift at the end of the night & there was a guy staring at me. felt relieved when I got out of the lift keycard in hand. bastard stood in front of my door. I got the impression he wanted to have erm.. relations. Thankfully I defused the situation & nothing happened. Saw the bloke at breakfast in the morning. |
| [10:30:04] | justinh: | effing jeff. that thread is now 106 posts long on gossamer threads now |
| [10:30:27] | Dibblah: | "that" |
| [10:30:40] | justinh: | new theme on the way thread |
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| [11:05:28] | olejl: | I'm struggling with MythTV crashing during LiveTV. I have a backtrace, is there anything else that is relevant? http://pastebin.com/d20138abe |
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| [12:17:34] | GreyFoxx: | olejl: logs from the FE and BE |
| [12:17:41] | GreyFoxx: | at the time of the crash |
| [12:18:38] | olejl: | I just created a ticket in trac now. I didn't include a log of the BE |
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| [12:38:39] | justinh: | glad mythbackend isn't as |
| [12:38:47] | justinh: | ahem 'reliable' as firefox :) |
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| [13:01:45] | j-rod: | yeesh. way too much list traffic right now. |
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| [13:09:22] | justinh: | never seen as low S/N ratio either |
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| [13:11:17] | j-rod: | not helping that I seem to have duplicate messages of every single email received overnight... |
| [13:11:44] | j-rod: | ah, just mail client wankery. kill it, restart it, all better... |
| [13:11:48] | j-rod: | (relatively speaking) |
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| [13:37:35] | j-rod: | "I need to find where in MythTV to change the CPU speed profile when playback starts". jokes. |
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| [13:54:17] | justinh: | wtf? digitalspy are talking about flashforward episode 5 |
| [13:54:28] | justinh: | ep4 isn't even on til monday here |
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| [14:03:13] | justinh: | ruh? looked up the title & it IS episode 5. But I've only seen 3 eps. confused |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | wait – is this some pedantic ass calling the pilot (which AFAIK Five didn't show in the UK) episode 1? |
| [14:05:43] | j-rod: | decisions, decisions... is getting a refurb and having to wait for it to arrive worth saving $200 over just going and buying one in the store tonight? |
| [14:07:55] | justinh: | hahahaha I've actually seen 4 episodes. Oops. |
| [14:08:06] | CyberKnet: | I'd save the $200, personally :) |
| [14:08:15] | CyberKnet: | but I'm *really* cheap |
| [14:08:28] | justinh: | a refurb what? |
| [14:08:43] | ** janneg suspects a mac mini server ** | |
| [14:09:18] | j-rod: | heh |
| [14:09:24] | j-rod: | 17" MacBook Pro |
| [14:09:26] | justinh: | if it was only $20, no contest |
| [14:09:35] | GreyFoxx: | hmmmmm those WD TV units are pretty cheap... anyone here used one ? |
| [14:10:04] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: no but read plenty reviews. they look nice, ui looks nice.. very slow apparently |
| [14:10:19] | GreyFoxx: | oh? Slow to navigate ? |
| [14:10:26] | justinh: | yeah |
| [14:10:28] | CyberKnet: | not me. Thought about it, but didn't know enough about it to make an informed decision. |
| [14:10:39] | justinh: | still better than looking like ass & being slow |
| [14:10:41] | GreyFoxx: | I'm looking for a new box for my dad and it looks perfect and much cheaper than a popcorn hour |
| [14:10:46] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:10:55] | janneg: | j-rod: bah, it's beyond me who would want to use 17" laptop, even my 14" is to big |
| [14:10:57] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: cheaper & better still is the asus O!Play (although that doesnt seem to support UPnP atm) |
| [14:11:04] | CyberKnet: | love the name Popcorn Hour :) |
| [14:11:18] | justinh: | is the PH's UI nippy? |
| [14:11:36] | justinh: | starting to think all these little boxes suck in terms of operational speed |
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| [14:12:02] | j-rod: | janneg: its more of a 'desktop replacement' than a mobility thing for me, and I want MOAR PIXELS :) |
| [14:12:20] | j-rod: | though I've seriously debated the MacBook Air instead |
| [14:12:34] | j-rod: | those are damned sexy |
| [14:12:49] | j-rod: | but 1280x800 is rather limiting |
| [14:12:55] | justinh: | fo sho |
| [14:13:06] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: also WDTV version 2 is coming out (if it's not out already) |
| [14:13:26] | CyberKnet: | I have an 18.5" Vaio as a DR |
| [14:13:30] | GreyFoxx: | Main reason I'm looking is that I can get one for about $100 CDN if I want one |
| [14:13:41] | GreyFoxx: | and I am looking for a new player for my dad |
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| [14:14:03] | j-rod: | CyberKnet: do you have to carry a car battery with you to power it? |
| [14:14:17] | GreyFoxx: | he uses a old dsm-320 in his bedroom but it wont support HD so he wants something newwer for that room |
| [14:14:18] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: WDTVv1 doesnt have inet unless you hook up USB dongle |
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| [14:14:41] | mchou: | WDTVv2 has ethernet |
| [14:15:04] | janneg: | j-rod: my thinkpad has 1440x900 and for desktop replacement I would prefer a real display and keyboard |
| [14:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | of course the page I'm looking at just says direct access to internet content but doesn't say if it requires a seperate device |
| [14:15:37] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: estimated street pirce for v2 is ~US$125 |
| [14:15:43] | mchou: | price* |
| [14:16:12] | j-rod: | janneg: I have nowhere to put a real display and keyboard anymore, my office was overrun by children. :( |
| [14:16:15] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: O!Play street price is about $100 |
| [14:16:40] | j-rod: | I've got a thinkpad t61 w/1680x1050 display |
| [14:16:49] | j-rod: | but I'm long overdue for a new mac |
| [14:17:05] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: and it has a better display chip (snappier response) |
| [14:17:42] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: wall-mounts? |
| [14:17:43] | j-rod: | might offload the t61 and see about replacing it w/something smaller for when I do want to go mobile |
| [14:18:19] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: heh, I've actually been considering doing that in my bedroom w/an hdtv that I could hook my laptop to... |
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| [14:28:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/961570/ |
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| [14:29:46] | mchou: | $50. that's just crazy |
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| [15:07:18] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: No, an a/c adapter – I don't use it as a mobile device |
| [15:07:24] | CyberKnet: | bbiaf, installing more ram |
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| [15:48:23] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so the hack to add commercial skip to WMC will only do it un unencrypted content |
| [15:48:31] | iamlindoro: | er s/un / / |
| [15:48:52] | iamlindoro: | sounds... "useful" |
| [15:48:52] | iamlindoro: | *sough* |
| [15:48:53] | iamlindoro: | cough |
| [15:50:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | so... WMC records the stream encrypted, then de-crypts in hardware on playback? or ??? (not sure I understand) |
| [15:50:39] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: with a cablecard tuner, yes |
| [15:51:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, That's what I suspected, but I half expected it to decrypt it on the inbound path... humm... |
| [15:51:23] | iamlindoro: | meaning on a cablecard or similar tuner that respects the protected flags, you can't commercial skip. Ever. |
| [15:51:58] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: That would make too much sense. It takes the encrypted content, decrypts it, wraps it in a NEW layer ofencryption keyed to the specific cablecard hardware, and writes it to disk |
| [15:52:27] | iamlindoro: | Then, when attempting playback, the device has to "OK" playback with the cablecard hardware. Three guesses on what happens if you have to replace one cablecard with another |
| [15:52:31] | iamlindoro: | and the first two don't count |
| [15:53:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | somehow I'm not surprised... :-( |
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| [15:55:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... so this is basically "Broadcast Flag v2.0"??? |
| [15:56:19] | iamlindoro: | Not really, it's just how cablecard has always worked |
| [15:56:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | yucky. |
| [15:57:31] | wagnerrp: | can i reference tables in a MYSQL DELETE without deleting any content from them? |
| [15:58:38] | wagnerrp: | for instance... 'delete from credits where chanid=<> and starttime=<> and credits.person=people.person and people.name=<>' |
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| [15:59:38] | wagnerrp: | or would i have to get the person id in a separate whery |
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| [16:02:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, yes you should be able to do what you want with MySQL 5.x, see the delete docs on mysql's site on the syntax. |
| [16:02:33] | Josh: | janneg: FYI, it appears that the qt-webkit alteration that you did on configure only consisted of 3 line modifications. I couldnt get a patch to work, so I went in and did the diffs manually, it seems to be compiling on the 0.22-fixes branch now. |
| [16:03:08] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: looking at the docs now, and its saying in multiple-table syntax, all matching rows from all referenced tables are deleted |
| [16:04:01] | wagnerrp: | table references can include the table name without the query listing that table as being used? |
| [16:11:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/delete.html. 2nd paragraph says for multi-table syntax, DELETE deletes from each tbl_name the rows that satisfy the condition. In the syntax above, tbl_name is the names in the FROM part. the REFERENCES part is to let you reference other tables in your WHERE |
| [16:12:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | you should be able to "delete from a using a, b where a.id = b.id;" and have it only delete from 'a'. |
| [16:13:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | might not even need the 'a' in the using part, can't recall right now. |
| [16:13:27] | wagnerrp: | looks like i have to do a manual join of the two tables |
| [16:14:30] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from credits inner join people...' |
| [16:14:40] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
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| [16:21:47] | Josh: | I hate how excruciatingly slow my P4 2.8 HT backend compiles |
| [16:23:47] | Josh: | If you guys had an HVR-1600, and an HDHomerun, which would you use to scan for channels? |
| [16:24:09] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [16:24:48] | Josh: | wagnerrp: even if they were both connected to the same (pardon the incorrect wording) source? |
| [16:25:22] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt want to scan both at the same time |
| [16:25:27] | wagnerrp: | but either could be used for scanning |
| [16:26:15] | Josh: | I know the hdhomerun has had a lot of problems with scanning in the past, but those were hopefuly fixed. |
| [16:26:30] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [16:28:00] | dontpanic: | What is y'all's opinion of the best MythTV-modified distro (like Mythbuntu, etc...) for setting up a new installation? |
| [16:28:12] | wagnerrp: | have you used linux before? |
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| [16:29:33] | dontpanic: | wagnerrp: Yes, I'm fairly experienced in Linux. |
| [16:29:41] | wagnerrp: | what do you use? |
| [16:30:06] | dontpanic: | Eventually, I'll migrate to Sabayon, a gentoo-based distro. But I'd like to see how somebody else bundles everything and sets it up. |
| [16:30:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is complex enough, theres no sense having to learn myth AND having to learn another distro at the same time |
| [16:30:52] | dontpanic: | I've found in Gentoo-based stuff, it can be very valuable to have a working example. :) |
| [16:30:56] | Josh: | also, I want one set of channel identifiers (call them "Virtual numbers") If I have three tuners (analog, hdhomerun, and STB) is there a way to have myth either pick from the best available tuner? |
| [16:31:32] | Josh: | dontpanic: problem with gentoo is that if your build environment is borked, everything you compile from then on will be borked |
| [16:32:05] | Josh: | dontpanic: Is it really worth compiling *everything* to gain a 0.02 sec load time reduction? |
| [16:32:08] | dontpanic: | Josh: Absolutely. It can be a pain. |
| [16:32:41] | Josh: | dontpanic: I'm not trying to be a PITA, I'm going through the same revelation myself. |
| [16:32:46] | dontpanic: | Josh: Lol, I really enjoy being able to micro-configure my stuff. If I don't want Evolution, I can recompile. |
| [16:33:05] | wagnerrp: | Josh: its got nothing to do with making things run faster, rather just the fact that you have control over it |
| [16:33:36] | dontpanic: | Also, I'm a Sabayon Dev. You can d/l a Sabayon-precompiled installation and use binary packages if you like, or migrate to Gentoo-portage. |
| [16:33:51] | wagnerrp: | dontpanic: understand that the default mysql server setup in gentoo is not compatible with mythtv |
| [16:34:23] | wagnerrp: | it works with 0.21, but if you try to upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22, there is all sorts of database breakage |
| [16:34:35] | Josh: | I understand about the control, but when I as working on these qt dep problems, I was having to recompile the *entire* qt meta in order to gain, for example, qt-dbus |
| [16:34:50] | wagnerrp: | has to do with gentoo setting a non-standard language set |
| [16:34:55] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: looks like DTS-HD audio tracks don't work with mythtv currently... what do you do about them? |
| [16:35:14] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: They worked as of a few weeks back |
| [16:35:16] | wagnerrp: | Josh: i admit, i went through that with qt-qt3support, and it was quite a pain |
| [16:35:19] | Josh: | wagnerrp: Oh really?!?. I'm about to upgrade to 0.22-RC this weekend... |
| [16:35:43] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: ffmpeg parses out the DTS core, which was working, at least very recently |
| [16:35:46] | dontpanic: | wagnerrp: That's among the reasons I thought I'd install a pre-build Myth-based distro, so I can look under the hood, and also see what a working version looks like. |
| [16:36:12] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: k, I had a segfault that looked like it was due to audio decoding of a DTS-HD stream |
| [16:36:15] | Josh: | iamlindoro, dontpanic: The only box on my network that is still gentoo is my fileserver/LAMP/mythbackend |
| [16:36:31] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it's the first one I've ever tried so I guess I'm just unlucky :) |
| [16:36:31] | Josh: | erp, wagnerrp ^^ |
| [16:36:33] | iamlindoro: | Josh: Think you intended that for wagnerrp ? |
| [16:36:42] | dontpanic: | Josh: Eeek! Even I shy away from making my servers Gentoo-based. :) |
| [16:36:56] | wagnerrp: | dontpanic: well the other problem with a packaged distro is that it will not look like mythtv |
| [16:36:57] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Ah, could be-- and could very well be bugs in it, just know that (somewhat recently) is was possible |
| [16:37:09] | wagnerrp: | for instance mythbuntu has their own custom GUI config program |
| [16:37:14] | dontpanic: | wagnerrp: Really? |
| [16:37:20] | wagnerrp: | as well as wrapper scripts around the main executables |
| [16:37:21] | Josh: | dontpanic: it was originally because I could have "-X" in my USE flags :) |
| [16:37:37] | Josh: | dontpanic: of course, that was many, many years ago |
| [16:37:48] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: backtrace showed number of channels equal to some large number so apparently there is something odd going on with DTS-HD |
| [16:38:10] | dontpanic: | Josh: OK, that's a good example. :) |
| [16:38:14] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I'll do some debugging and see what I find |
| [16:38:16] | wagnerrp: | they have done a LOT of work to make mythtv automated, i assume the other distros have done similar things |
| [16:38:17] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Could also have some relation to the audio changes made a couple weeks back, which seems to have a fair number of issues |
| [16:38:29] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: so if it comes down to it you might try rolling back before that |
| [16:38:34] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I'm hanging out on -fixes for a while |
| [16:38:35] | Josh: | dontpanic: now, that has been overridden by mythtv requiring you compile a backend + frontend together :) |
| [16:38:42] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: ah, in that case you're in the clear |
| [16:38:53] | wagnerrp: | Josh: theres a page on the wiki describing how to work around the character set issues in gentoo |
| [16:39:05] | wagnerrp: | i cant seem to find it, but sphery probably has it hotkeyed |
| [16:39:10] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: so you are playing the DTS-HD tracks for your blu-rays? |
| [16:39:19] | Josh: | wagnerrp: awesome, I havent seen many 0.22 migration guides out yet |
| [16:39:21] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Well, the DTS core of them, yeah |
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| [16:39:35] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
| [16:39:44] | sphery: | but note that if your database isn't 100% corrupt, it won't wok |
| [16:39:46] | sphery: | work |
| [16:39:47] | dontpanic: | I'll be doing a clean install. My hardware is just arriving. |
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| [16:40:29] | dontpanic: | Sounds like I need to dredge up my old automated MySQL daily backup scripts. |
| [16:41:04] | sphery: | dontpanic: can use the ones that come with Myth (for Myth database): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [16:41:38] | dontpanic: | sphery: Thanks. |
| [16:42:25] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: ever get a chance to see if seeking worked better for your M2TS videos without a seek table? |
| [16:42:39] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Have not had a chance, sorry |
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| [16:43:11] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: np, I'm just curious |
| [16:43:53] | elmojo: | make sure you apply one of the fixes if you still see any issues http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7397 |
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| [16:52:03] | Josh: | Is there a way to make two tuners use the same set of channel numbers, if they are hooked to different signal sources? (I can get QAM local HD channels, but they are the same exact programming as my STB's "channel 604" – for example |
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| [16:55:39] | iamlindoro: | Scan on the QAM tuner, then change the channel numbers in the channel editor |
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| [17:02:59] | Josh: | iamlindoro: it should all the the same channel source, just different tuners.. I guess then when you pick the channel it will pick whichever source either has a higher preference or isnt used? |
| [17:03:15] | Josh: | s/whichever source/whichever tuner |
| [17:03:22] | iamlindoro: | A QAM tuner and STB should never be the same video source |
| [17:03:40] | iamlindoro: | Their channel definitions are incompatible with one another |
| [17:04:04] | Josh: | iamlindoro: hmm, okay. |
| [17:04:24] | Josh: | so different sources. It's okay to have an identical "virtual" channel number across sources? |
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| [17:04:34] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [17:05:18] | Josh: | I might actually be able to get rid of my X.1, X.2 channel designations |
| [17:06:06] | Josh: | use the STB as the primary source, (most channels) and the HD's coming in on the hdhomerun can have a higher priority |
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| [17:06:29] | Josh: | hopefully it'll switch to the HDhomerun when I select a channel that's also available on it |
| [17:07:34] | wagnerrp: | changing channels will maintain the same tuner unless that channel does not exist |
| [17:07:45] | Josh: | iamlindoro: what if I throw an analog tuner in the mix? Same channels and channel #'s as the STB, just can't recieve all of them? |
| [17:08:03] | Josh: | wagnerrp: okay, that's still okay, I'll assign a tuner preference on my recording |
| [17:08:14] | wagnerrp: | you want a separate 'source' for each separate lineup |
| [17:08:30] | fabio_27: | hi, my mythtv box was working fine a few minutes ago. but now i have played a bit with xrandr to get my tv out working. but i disabled the tv out again. i'm just using my vga monitro now. but somehow myhttv doesn't go fullscreen anymore. my resolution is 1280x1024, but mythtv some occupies only 800x600 and also sits underneath the xfce panels. any help? using 0.22-fixes and the radeon video driver |
| [17:08:32] | wagnerrp: | even if it comes from the same place, if they can only tune a subset, you want a separate source |
| [17:08:59] | Josh: | wagnerrp: awesome. And just delete the channels from the analog tuner's source that the analog tuner can't recieve? |
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| [17:09:00] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, you will need separate SD lineups for each channel subset |
| [17:09:19] | wagnerrp: | because analog tuners will automatically grab the full lineup from SD on each run of mfd |
| [17:10:00] | Josh: | wagnerrp: should be easy, I can have a broadcast-digital lineup, a "digital cable" lineup (for the STB), and an "analog cable" lineup for the analog tuner |
| [17:10:38] | Josh: | now that iamlindoh-ro suggested I can have the same virtual channel numbers across lineups |
| [17:10:39] | wagnerrp: | the STB and the HDHR can probably share the same lineup |
| [17:11:11] | wagnerrp: | lineup being a SD term, source being a mythtv term |
| [17:11:22] | wagnerrp: | but all three have different sources |
| [17:11:28] | Josh: | wagnerrp: aha. |
| [17:11:32] | Josh: | wagnerrp: in that case. |
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| [17:12:11] | Josh: | couldnt they all share the same lineup? the "digital cable" lineup for the STB will contain program data for everything that the hdhomerun and analog tuners can recieve as well. |
| [17:12:27] | wagnerrp: | no, because your analog cable and digital cable will have different lineups |
| [17:12:45] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, analog tuners will fill out the source with the entire lineup when mfd is run |
| [17:13:08] | wagnerrp: | your analog source would be given all several hundred channels of the digital lineup |
| [17:13:13] | Josh: | ahh. |
| [17:13:31] | Josh: | so the analog lineup will have to be seperate, on it's own source |
| [17:13:42] | wagnerrp: | three sources, two lineups |
| [17:13:52] | Josh: | but the channel numbers for that source can be identical to the ones currently provided on the STB's source |
| [17:14:16] | sphery: | Josh: you really don't want to specify channel or input priorities, though |
| [17:14:34] | Josh: | sphery: no? |
| [17:14:38] | sphery: | no |
| [17:14:48] | sphery: | just connect your inputs in the order they should be used |
| [17:15:23] | Josh: | sphery: assuming I get it right the first time :) If not, I'll have to delete them all and start over |
| [17:15:33] | sphery: | channel priorities are ok if done right in very extreme situations (i.e. you have an analog channel that's very static-y, but good enough you'd rather watch it than miss a recording, so you set a negative priority on it) |
| [17:15:47] | sphery: | but input priorities are something almost no user ever wants |
| [17:16:07] | Josh: | hmm. |
| [17:16:14] | sphery: | Josh: Delete all video sources followed by reconfiguring will take about 2 minutes |
| [17:16:39] | sphery: | especially once you get some good practice |
| [17:16:58] | wagnerrp: | Josh: all priorities are combined inside the scheduler |
| [17:17:05] | wagnerrp: | so take the example of a hybrid tuner |
| [17:17:07] | sphery: | or, if you're only reordering the inputs (no need for rescans), just Delete all capture cards, recreate capture cards, and reconnect inputs in order--30sec |
| [17:17:10] | wagnerrp: | does both analog and digital |
| [17:17:20] | wagnerrp: | you set the digital tuner to a +10 |
| [17:17:25] | Josh: | sphery: given my situation though, I've got a HDhomerun that gives great quality on the very, very few channels it gets, and the analog tuner with a few more channels but bad quality, and the STB, which has the most channels, but *everything* is SD |
| [17:17:37] | wagnerrp: | and you have an analog schedule at +3, a digital schedule at -3 |
| [17:17:57] | wagnerrp: | even though the analog show has a higher priority, the digital show will be at +7, and will be recorded |
| [17:18:24] | sphery: | Josh: so you'd connect the HDHR inputs first and second, then the STB's input (analog encoder or firewire) then the analog tuner |
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| [17:19:23] | wagnerrp: | the same scenario would play out with firewire and analog capture off a single STB |
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| [17:20:00] | Josh: | sphery: with that configuration, how can I make LiveTV use the STB source first? |
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| [17:20:15] | Josh: | sphery: I guess it really doenst matter though. |
| [17:20:25] | sphery: | and (extending wagnerrp's example) even if you made it +1 (or -1), it still affects what gets recorded, not where it gets recorded |
| [17:21:02] | Josh: | sphery: so tuner priorities are aimed more at show scheduling rather than tuner designation |
| [17:21:53] | sphery: | Josh: yeah, with all input priorities identical, you'll either have LiveTV using the best (lowest-numbered) input on the frontend (or lowest-numbered if none are local) first or, with "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" the worst (highest-numbered) input |
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| [17:22:07] | sphery: | so by putting your STB last, you cuold have it used with "Avoid conflicts..." set |
| [17:22:19] | Josh: | I still have persons in my household that insist on livetv, and I want to make sure that livetv usage has a minimal impact on my recordings |
| [17:22:20] | sphery: | Josh: yeah, there can be only one priority |
| [17:22:34] | sphery: | I really thought it would be Sean Connery, but he died early |
| [17:23:02] | CyberKnet: | What? Aaw come on – don't post spoilers like that! |
| [17:23:04] | sphery: | Josh: with multi-rec capable inputs, it's /much/ easier to determine which input gets used |
| [17:23:21] | sphery: | CyberKnet: oops... yeah, Highlander is probably a bit new to be posting spoilers. ;) |
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| [17:23:46] | Josh: | sphery: problem is I only have one source with multi-rec capable inputs |
| [17:23:52] | wagnerrp: | wait... he died? |
| [17:23:53] | sphery: | right, so it won't work in your case |
| [17:23:59] | wagnerrp: | then how is he in highlander 2??? |
| [17:24:02] | Josh: | the hdhomerun and the digital side of the HVR-1600 |
| [17:24:10] | sphery: | but, if you drop cable and go all OTA... ;) |
| [17:24:18] | sphery: | Don't feed the cable co's!!! |
| [17:24:23] | Josh: | sphery: then I'll have like 5 channels to pick from :) |
| [17:24:44] | Josh: | I'm still pissed about CartoonNetwork. |
| [17:24:58] | sphery: | but when you watch it, you'll be so happy thinking about how you're saving $30-$100/mo, that you won't even notice what's on TV. |
| [17:25:06] | CyberKnet: | HDPVR – it's the only way to get all the channels. |
| [17:25:20] | Josh: | sphery: all the good weekly dramas come on OTA anyway :) |
| [17:25:42] | CyberKnet: | "only" for values of X where digital cable channels are your option and are encrypted. |
| [17:25:51] | sphery: | I find that OTA + DVD's gets me all teh TV I want (actually, more than I have time to watch) and /much/ cheaper than it would be with cable to get those Stargate's, etc. |
| [17:26:00] | CyberKnet: | I would miss discovery channel a lot. |
| [17:26:09] | CyberKnet: | and I only get it SD analog right now :| |
| [17:26:34] | Josh: | CyberKnet: The HD-PVR will be my next purchase, It's hard to talk the SO out of 300$ that could be used for baby food, bills, etc. |
| [17:26:38] | sphery: | but Discovery only has 2 new shows each 6 months, anymore |
| [17:26:43] | sphery: | they just repeat them constantly |
| [17:26:48] | CyberKnet: | Josh: I be the choir |
| [17:26:50] | Josh: | *constantly* |
| [17:26:50] | sphery: | "Walking with Amoebas" |
| [17:26:59] | wagnerrp: | Josh: wait around, Dell occasionally has them for $150 |
| [17:27:03] | sphery: | Don't miss it. Friday and Saturday. |
| [17:27:14] | sphery: | *will also be on every day for the next 6 months... |
| [17:27:25] | CyberKnet: | And Shark Week. |
| [17:27:27] | Josh: | wagnerrp: WHAT? Dell sells them? I actually have some sort of discount acct with them. |
| [17:27:55] | Josh: | CyberKnet: Shark Week comes about 5 times a year now, didn't you know? |
| [17:28:05] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:28:16] | sphery: | If I wanted Shark Week, I'd just spend a week at the beach. |
| [17:28:25] | ** wagnerrp fuels up the motercycle ** | |
| [17:28:28] | sphery: | (dressed as a dolphin) |
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| [17:29:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: now if you had been watching shark week, you would know sharks avoid dolphins |
| [17:29:12] | wagnerrp: | you would never see any |
| [17:29:31] | Josh: | You should dress as a baby seal, and carry a club. |
| [17:30:01] | sphery: | heh... guess that makes sense, though--since they are the ones who provided the Earth replacment |
| [17:30:30] | sphery: | don't want to mess with that kind of power |
| [17:30:33] | Josh: | sphery: I thought it were the mice? |
| [17:30:41] | wagnerrp: | mythbusters did some thing where they had some chum out in the water, and the sharks kept hitting it |
| [17:30:43] | Josh: | sphery: the dolphins just hauled off and abandoned us. |
| [17:30:54] | wagnerrp: | they stuck a foam dolphin out next to the chum, and the sharks fled |
| [17:31:14] | sphery: | I thought the dolphins had a "Save the Humans" campaign and got a new Earth. |
| [17:31:32] | wagnerrp: | pulled the dolphin back out, and the sharks jumped on the chum |
| [17:31:35] | Josh: | sphery: mabye I havent gotten to that book yet. |
| [17:31:48] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:32:17] | sphery: | well, it seems that maybe I need to get the shark week DVD's. |
| [17:32:49] | Josh: | sphery: I'd suggest mythflix, but we havent found a way to make Instant Watch work :-[ |
| [17:32:53] | iamlindoro: | Heh... I have a 1.2 mil swim around a pier on Sunday, where two great whites have been sighted in the last couple weeks |
| [17:32:59] | iamlindoro: | mile |
| [17:33:10] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I'm not a fan of low-quality flash-based video, anyway |
| [17:33:10] | iamlindoro: | note to self: bring fake dolphin |
| [17:33:40] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Or no deodorant |
| [17:33:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: if you just dress as a shark, it will get the other contestants out of the way |
| [17:33:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13477066 |
| [17:34:09] | iamlindoro: | "Van Sommeran, working with Specialized Helicopters out of Watsonville, said, "It's a big one."" |
| [17:34:12] | iamlindoro: | awesome |
| [17:34:16] | iamlindoro: | fewer bites |
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| [17:35:19] | sphery: | I've always wonder just what makes them so great, anyway. |
| [17:36:07] | iamlindoro: | The great big hole they will take out of you? |
| [17:36:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but it will probably get you tranq'd in the process |
| [17:36:26] | wagnerrp: | oh no! we cant KILL the sharks! |
| [17:36:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:37:14] | iamlindoro: | I think the ensuing bike and run would be markedly more difficult without all the requisite limbs |
| [17:37:39] | sphery: | It used to be they didn't kill the American Alligators around here when some homeowner complained about the one who moved into the lake behind the house, but now that they're off the protected species list, they use guns instead of muzzles on long poles. |
| [17:37:51] | wagnerrp: | 'we saw about 50 to 60 strippers along the surf line before they bailed'.... where is this now? |
| [17:38:22] | mag0o: | haha |
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| [17:39:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Sharks would have no problem riding a bike: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=51730 . . . reet+sharks# |
| [17:40:09] | sphery: | I may not have Shark Week, but I know that much... |
| [17:40:39] | wagnerrp: | 'retrojunk.com'... yeah, thats about right |
| [17:40:45] | olejl: | I have a question regarding #7403 which was closed as a duplicate to #7381. Is the patch in #7381 supposed to fix this issue? |
| [17:41:01] | olejl: | I tried to apply this patch, but it didn't solve my problem |
| [17:41:19] | wagnerrp: | i recall that looking like the most retarded show i had ever seen as a kid |
| [17:42:13] | wagnerrp: | that, or maybe battletoads |
| [17:42:14] | sphery: | olejl: they're still testing, but if you were to apply it and provide feedback on how it works for you (and background--that you're the guy who opened #7403), it would actually help/speed up the testing. |
| [17:43:09] | sphery: | speaking of toads... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc |
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| [17:44:33] | wagnerrp: | is that really just 10 minutes of hypnotoad? |
| [17:44:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:44:54] | sphery: | seems to be |
| [17:45:00] | sphery: | (I just skipped through) |
| [17:45:13] | sphery: | originally thought it was a 20s clip when I linked it |
| [17:45:19] | wagnerrp: | did someone loop it? or did that actually come on one of the DVDs |
| [17:45:20] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: do you use DTS passthrough? |
| [17:46:03] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: On one system, yes |
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| [17:48:02] | mag0o: | j-rod: you around? |
| [17:48:10] | sphery: | Gotta wonder why there's not a ton of Win-7-subject spam going around now |
| [17:48:44] | wagnerrp: | because you run in predominately linux channels? |
| [17:49:03] | j-rod: | mag0o: sort of. what'd I do now? |
| [17:49:04] | Dagmar: | We're all waiting for our DVDs to come in the mail |
| [17:49:20] | Dagmar: | ...because full retail is for chumps, but it does mean that you don't have to pre-order. |
| [17:49:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just noticing that in my "catch-all" folder there's none |
| [17:49:52] | mag0o: | just had an ot question about rhel5 and heartbeat, specifically where to find an rpm for it |
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| [17:50:32] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: and everyone else just finds someone associated with a university to buy it for them? |
| [17:50:48] | Dagmar: | Pfft. Get a job at a university. |
| [17:51:07] | Dagmar: | Either way, they're selling them at a discount even to non-edu-affiliated for the first seven days. |
| [17:51:18] | Dagmar: | It's a "deal" MS has going on. buy.com and newegg are both in on it |
| [17:51:36] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That's right, with next-day shipping I paid $111 for Ultimate |
| [17:51:51] | wagnerrp: | full or upgrade? |
| [17:52:09] | Dagmar: | I'll be spending all freaking weekend backing up my xp setup to the slack disk on my myth filestore tho |
| [17:52:15] | Dagmar: | Upgrade |
| [17:52:21] | sphery: | I paid $0 for GNU/Linux. :) |
| [17:52:45] | Dagmar: | This'll probbaly be the last Winddows I buy |
| [17:52:58] | Dagmar: | ...just because the one thing I |
| [17:53:06] | Dagmar: | 've found it falls short on is ceasing to be a problem |
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| [17:53:36] | Dagmar: | WINE seems to play bloody everything nwo |
| [17:54:21] | wagnerrp: | i see $190, not $111 |
| [17:54:34] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ill probably stop by campus and pick up a copy at some point |
| [17:55:07] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Hit up e-academy |
| [17:55:22] | Dagmar: | If you have so much as a .edu email address you can probably just get it straight through them |
| [17:57:53] | Dagmar: | THe price I paid was actuallt $86. The rest was tax and shipping. |
| [17:59:03] | wagnerrp: | ill probably pay $30 on campus |
| [17:59:13] | wagnerrp: | or they may give you the shaft again, and only carry the 32-bit copy |
| [18:02:31] | Dagmar: | No, you'll pay more than that |
| [18:02:47] | wagnerrp: | think so? XP was $6, Vista $22 |
| [18:03:02] | Dagmar: | You're getting subsidized by your uni then |
| [18:03:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, one copy |
| [18:03:26] | wagnerrp: | additional for XP were $60 each, dont know about Vista |
| [18:04:14] | Dagmar: | Bitness _shouldn't_ matter, but I've not seen the media yet |
| [18:04:33] | Dagmar: | With a little luck if you don't get ultimate the media you get will be the 'Upgrade Anytime' media |
| [18:04:50] | Dagmar: | They're basically clipping out functionality for the 'lesser versions' on most of the retail discs |
| [18:05:23] | Dagmar: | So like, if you decide to upgrade from Home Premium to Professional, you just go to a website, pays the upgrade fee, and it'll grab the stuff it didn't before off the DVD |
| [18:05:59] | Dagmar: | I'd freaking hope that considering they |
| [18:06:24] | Dagmar: | re _not_ Linux and therefore not compelled to ship the OS with a heaping pile of applications (hah) that they can fit two versions of W7 on one DVD |
| [18:09:35] | wagnerrp: | just two versions on one DVD? |
| [18:10:18] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend who snagged one of the enterprise copies of 2k from his work, had four versions of it on one CD, and it only took like 450MB |
| [18:10:38] | Dagmar: | Yeah they've been shipping them like that for a WHILE now |
| [18:11:20] | Dagmar: | The retail discs you see in a store generally have one version alone, but there's lots of dev network DVDs an so on that will have all the files--they'll just install differently depending on what reg key you put in or what version you tell it to install |
| [18:11:29] | Dagmar: | I've got a disc like that for both XP and 98se |
| [18:12:01] | Dagmar: | For obvious reasons I didn't bother to get one for Vista |
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| [18:38:35] | j-rod: | mag0o: sorry, got distracted by something else... either epel, rpm fusion, dag (rpm repo) or atrpms ought to have packages |
| [18:38:51] | j-rod: | not sure exactly though, I don't run much rhel5 myself |
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| [18:43:27] | mag0o: | j-rod: thanks, i'll take a look around there (i did find some helpful stuff at gatech, so im going off of that for now) |
| [18:51:03] | AndrewNC_: | The quicklinks on the wiki mainpage contains links to registering, using a wiki, the manual of style, and other wiki functions |
| [18:51:31] | AndrewNC_: | any thoughts on having quicklinks contain links to "installing", faq articles, etc? |
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| [18:59:15] | Josh: | sphery, what were you saying earlier regarding gentoo's mysql with the -latin1 USE flag and corrupt database? |
| [19:03:01] | ** wagnerrp wonders why 'XvMC' is a popular page on the wiki ** | |
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| [19:09:39] | benklop: | hello everyone! i'm quite pleased to see there is an RC out now, and i'll be installing it pretty soon. |
| [19:10:00] | benklop: | question though – has thelist of commands for key assignments changed at all? |
| [19:10:23] | benklop: | i want to assign separate keys for browse up/down and channel up/down in live tv. |
| [19:10:34] | benklop: | as it is, that is impossible in .21 at least |
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| [19:11:15] | Dagmar: | There's a plugin to remap keys |
| [19:11:34] | benklop: | basically i want my arrow keys to browse the listings, but my channel up/down buttons to immediately change the channel |
| [19:11:38] | Dagmar: | ...but it's not just "impossible", it's simply not the wway Myth works |
| [19:12:00] | Dagmar: | I fyou want it to behave differently, you get to rewrite source code. |
| [19:12:07] | benklop: | such a mapping is not possible in .21, since there is no mapping for browse up/down, just a mapping for browse |
| [19:12:26] | benklop: | you can change the behaviour in a config dialog so that channel up/down browse instead |
| [19:12:38] | benklop: | but what i want is to have both behaviours accessible at once |
| [19:13:22] | benklop: | Dagmar: do you know if that has changed in .22? |
| [19:13:35] | iamlindoro: | it has not |
| [19:13:43] | Dagmar: | ...and it's not likely to ever. |
| [19:13:56] | Dagmar: | That represents a material change to the way channels are changed. |
| [19:14:02] | benklop: | Dagmar: if not, then i'm okay with putting in what little work would be needed (there's no way that that could possibly require major work i wouldn't think) |
| [19:14:08] | Dagmar: | It's not a matter of two buttons that are merely mapped to do the same things |
| [19:14:33] | Dagmar: | There simply ISN'T an option to select both changing immediately and browse-only |
| [19:14:59] | benklop: | Dagmar: why would it not ever? i'm merely suggesting a second option. right now there is literally no reason to use my channel up/down buttons because they do the same thing that up/down do in live tv mode |
| [19:15:14] | Dagmar: | bankflop: Someone has to give a crap first |
| [19:15:29] | Dagmar: | Why would you expect that a car maker would mount the shifter upside down on next year's model |
| [19:15:40] | Dagmar: | People don't just change interface bits for the hell of it |
| [19:15:47] | Dagmar: | It makes users and devs alike angry |
| [19:15:53] | benklop: | Dagmar: i know there isn't an option to do that.. i'd like there to be such an option. would this be a lot of work? if i coded it would it be accepted? i'm familiar with Qt4 code, so i can certainly do it |
| [19:16:11] | Dagmar: | Why are you asking me these questions? |
| [19:16:14] | benklop: | Dagmar: it's more like having a normal shifter and paddle shifters as well |
| [19:16:19] | benklop: | rather than one or the other |
| [19:16:19] | Dagmar: | You seem to think it's so simple it should already be ther. |
| [19:16:34] | Dagmar: | You're wanting a car that has both types of shifters. |
| [19:16:39] | Dagmar: | Everyone else doesn't see much point. |
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| [19:17:02] | justinh: | live tv isn't it? I rest my case :) |
| [19:17:53] | Josh: | I want my next car with the shifter on the roof. |
| [19:18:00] | benklop: | still, do you think it would be accepted if I added key bindings for those actions? even if they aren't bound to anything by default... it would just be a bit omre flexibility |
| [19:18:13] | justinh: | mythtv is going for LESS settings not more |
| [19:18:27] | benklop: | besides, myth is supremely more flexible than any car I have ever seen... |
| [19:18:34] | iamlindoro: | that said, a new keybinding that obviates the setting would be fine by me |
| [19:18:55] | Dagmar: | It makes so much sense to be able to change channels while the screen is filled with the channel listings |
| [19:19:13] | iamlindoro: | add a chanup/chandown and browseup/browsedown and remove the setting and the same time and yes, it probably has a fairly decent chance of being accepted (or at least endorsed by me) |
| [19:19:14] | justinh: | we need a new type of weapon. the "do not use livetv, it makes you waste your life" bat |
| [19:19:46] | Dagmar: | How would you like to field the complaints from users that going to the program guide breaks their ability to _back up in live TV_ |
| [19:19:48] | iamlindoro: | s/and the/at the/ |
| [19:20:16] | justinh: | Dagmar: users don't care about other users. Rule one :) |
| [19:20:18] | benklop: | iamlindoro: great. is that the sort of thing that someone new to mythtv coding but not new to Qt4 and coding in general could do? |
| [19:20:42] | benklop: | Dagmar: why would it do that? |
| [19:20:51] | benklop: | i'm not talknig about the program guide |
| [19:20:53] | justinh: | benklop: I suggest you take a look in the code to find out |
| [19:21:27] | iamlindoro: | benklop: yes. check globalsettings.cpp in programs/mythfrontend. find the setting and see the mysql value it is attached to. Then find where the setting is used in the tv code, and bind the two behaviors to two (four, actually) keybindings |
| [19:21:39] | justinh: | benklop: knowing a bit of qt4 might help but it probably won't help that much |
| [19:21:49] | Dagmar: | Doesn't matter. |
| [19:21:57] | benklop: | justinh: that's what i'll have to do alright! now that i'll be using .22, i have a much better chance of doing that |
| [19:21:59] | Dagmar: | If you have to even ask you probably can't make the necessary change |
| [19:24:18] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Added an explanation of the -1,-1 positioning to the wiki theming docs-- sorry I wasn't awake to answer about them yesterday |
| [19:24:31] | ** justinh goes to read ** | |
| [19:24:32] | benklop: | Dagmar: that's a pretty elitist and depressing statement.. I do know coding, I do know Qt4, and i've submitted small patches to kde, kdenlive, written much of QtEmu (an emulation frontend), and I don't see why i couldnt. not having looked at the MythTv code however, i have no idea what would be needed or where to start, so i thought asking was quite a good idea |
| [19:25:18] | Dagmar: | qq moar |
| [19:25:44] | benklop: | iamlindoro: thanks for the info, i'll probably get a chance to install mythtv .22 some time next week and i'll open up the code and poke around while it's compiling |
| [19:26:06] | justinh: | mythtv is an intimidating beast til you get to know it a little. the majority of the code is pretty readable IMHO |
| [19:26:07] | wagnerrp: | well i was about to remove all the mythphone links from the old release notes, but they appear to be locked |
| [19:26:49] | iamlindoro: | benklop: It should be a fairly simple change to make-- essentially setting->mysql setting value, which is then read into a variable using getsetting, and then you hunt down where the variable is used in the TV code, and write code to bind the two/four bindings to it |
| [19:27:26] | benklop: | why four? |
| [19:27:29] | iamlindoro: | (which was likely not terribly clear, but may become clearer when you try) |
| [19:27:38] | iamlindoro: | chanup/chandown, browseup/browsedown |
| [19:27:41] | benklop: | i'm sure it will be clearer then |
| [19:27:56] | benklop: | but chanup/down already exist I think |
| [19:28:09] | benklop: | i'll have to look |
| [19:28:10] | iamlindoro: | the bindings exist. They are not bound to code that does what you want |
| [19:28:16] | benklop: | ah. right. |
| [19:28:50] | benklop: | i'll give it a look in the coming days, probably tuesday or wednesday. this will be fun :) |
| [19:29:10] | wagnerrp: | is there any requirement that the wiki remain english language? |
| [19:29:26] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [19:29:31] | Josh: | haha |
| [19:29:38] | iamlindoro: | personally I think having the keybindings will make more sense to the user than having a poorly worded setting that toggles the behavior of a single key |
| [19:29:43] | justinh: | I bloody well hope there is! |
| [19:29:44] | Josh: | the mythconverg_backup.pl script crashed my backend |
| [19:29:46] | wagnerrp: | looking through the 'Special:WantedPages' page |
| [19:30:00] | benklop: | I always thought so |
| [19:30:01] | wagnerrp: | seems some russian user linked to a russian page |
| [19:30:36] | wagnerrp: | both the link, and the page that links to it, are russian |
| [19:31:01] | justinh: | which page links to it? |
| [19:31:23] | wagnerrp: | some russian page that i am incapable of typing in here |
| [19:31:57] | benklop: | iamlindoro: ok, well I 'll probably be back to ask a few questions once I start poking around in the code.. those questions ok on #mythtv, or here? |
| [19:32:45] | iamlindoro: | benklop: If they are directly relevant to "how do I..." within the myth code, #mythtv is fine-- if they are general, here may be better, just use your best judgment |
| [19:32:45] | sphery: | Josh: I'd love to see the backend log from that run |
| [19:32:47] | benklop: | iamlindoro: alright, thatnks |
| [19:32:49] | iamlindoro: | benklop: less of a peanut gallery there, but tighter rules about what is on topic |
| [19:32:53] | sphery: | (though I'm pretty sure something else crashed your backend) |
| [19:32:57] | Josh: | sphery, I've done it twice, and gotten two backend crashes. |
| [19:33:10] | sphery: | I'm actually guessing the DB upgrade stopped because you have charset corruption |
| [19:33:11] | Josh: | sphery, but this is on a 0.21-fixes backend. |
| [19:33:13] | justinh: | wagnerrp: try google translate ;) |
| [19:33:32] | benklop: | thanks! |
| [19:33:34] | Josh: | sphery, I'm not trying to upgrade, I'm running the mythconverg_backup.pl script to backup the db before the upgrade. |
| [19:33:36] | sphery: | Josh: still, please pastebin the backend log |
| [19:34:03] | sphery: | so you're running it from a terminal and your backend happened to crash at the same time? |
| [19:34:19] | sphery: | if so, run mythconverg_backup.pl --debug |
| [19:34:23] | Josh: | sphery, twice out of two tries. |
| [19:34:23] | sphery: | and post those logs |
| [19:34:35] | Josh: | just a moment please. |
| [19:35:17] | Josh: | sphery, any commandline options? |
| [19:35:19] | sphery: | only thing that I an imagine that could possibly cause that would be mythbackend's getting upset when a table in mythconverg is locked--but since MySQL was designed to handle that, it still shouldn't cause any problems in mythbackend |
| [19:35:28] | sphery: | Josh: just --debug (or --verbose) |
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| [19:37:34] | sphery: | Josh: I can tell you I've literally run the backup script 1000's of times (likely > 10K times) while my backend was running without any issue. |
| [19:38:18] | sphery: | so I'm guessing--but not guaranteeing--that something else is happening here |
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| [19:39:24] | Josh: | grr |
| [19:39:48] | Josh: | now the frontend's all mad. even though the backend is up, it's saying it's can't connect. |
| [19:40:22] | iamlindoro: | is your backend on marginal hardware? |
| [19:40:26] | iamlindoro: | ie, slow slow slow? |
| [19:40:35] | Josh: | iamlindoro, P4 2.8Ghz HT. |
| [19:40:36] | iamlindoro: | sounds like your MySQL server can't keep up |
| [19:40:52] | wagnerrp: | still better than an Atom |
| [19:41:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but so are most things |
| [19:42:07] | Josh: | this frontend has been pissing me off lately, also |
| [19:42:11] | justinh: | they should've used the name Proton :P |
| [19:42:16] | Josh: | forgetting windowmanager settings, etc. |
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| [19:42:44] | justinh: | dunno if y'all have ever seen a Proton car. |
| [19:43:14] | resno: | hey follow mythtvers |
| [19:43:24] | resno: | s/follow/fellow |
| [19:43:26] | Josh: | iamlindoro, weird. restarted with --verbose all, and it's acting 9 kinds of slow |
| [19:44:31] | Josh: | oh, no |
| [19:44:52] | Josh: | it's spawning N^9 instances of mythcommflag |
| [19:50:14] | Josh: | there it goes, woot |
| [19:50:31] | Josh: | the backend's still up |
| [19:50:43] | Josh: | but got an error displaying video on the frontend |
| [19:52:32] | justinh: | I saw that error once a while back |
| [19:52:46] | justinh: | got to the end of a recording in timestretch mode |
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| [19:53:32] | justinh: | couldn't reproduce it – but if I were you I'd check the system times if they're on different machines |
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| [19:54:36] | Josh: | well, I got my backup, that's all that matters now |
| [19:54:36] | notlistening: | Hi if i have moved the mpg filres out of the recording folder how can i then removed them from the database as mythweb still lists them? |
| [19:54:46] | Josh: | (that's one of the reasons I'm upgrading versions) |
| [19:55:15] | Josh: | notlistening, there is a script for that, can't remember the name, mythsomethingremoveorphanned.pl |
| [19:57:00] | sphery: | notlistening: mythfrontend |
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| [19:57:13] | sphery: | notlistening: Watch Recordings, find the show, INFO|Delete |
| [19:58:35] | notlistening: | oh was just after a way without the frontend but i will try that |
| [19:58:42] | ** mag0o just set up his first drbd/heartbeat mailserver ** | |
| [19:59:54] | sphery: | the safest way is through the frontend |
| [20:00:32] | sphery: | the next safest way is to put all the shows in the Deleted recording group, then use flush_deleted_recgroup.pl --force |
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| [20:01:01] | sphery: | but flush_deleted_recgroup.pl doesn't allow you to set "allow re-record" |
| [20:01:55] | Josh: | sphery, you mean Watch recordings, wait for the screenshot generation to time out, press delete, wait for the screenshot generation for the next recording to time out... |
| [20:04:45] | sphery: | IMHO, that's better than letting some script delete all my recordings. |
| [20:05:05] | sphery: | some unmaintained, legacy script that was written before storage groups and doesn't do things the proper way |
| [20:05:21] | sphery: | but, yeah, that's what I mean |
| [20:05:58] | notlistening: | roght it says the file for the recording can not be found and it does nothing |
| [20:06:04] | iamlindoro: | especially given a fairly substantial portion of the people who try to use find_orphans manage to delete their DB backups and a whole bunch of current, "good" recordings |
| [20:06:06] | sphery: | Though the preview gen shouldn't block the UI. For me, I usually wait 1s to avoid a race condition where the preview gen calls can make it think the file exists |
| [20:06:17] | sphery: | notlistening: you have to use INFO |
| [20:06:26] | sphery: | then you get 2 options "Show Details" and "Delete" |
| [20:06:45] | notlistening: | ohh |
| [20:06:47] | sphery: | you probably have to wait 1second after selecting the show, as I mentioned a moment ago |
| [20:07:05] | sphery: | and you'll probably have to restart the Watch Recordings screen now that you've done it the other way |
| [20:07:20] | sphery: | in 0.22-fixes/trunk, it's /much/ better, though |
| [20:10:11] | Josh: | sphery, okay, my UTF8 / latin1 database corruption should be fixed now |
| [20:10:36] | Josh: | AFAIK no more hangups during migration to 0.22-RC this weekend. |
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| [20:12:15] | mag0o: | whats the cmd line to start without opengl? |
| [20:12:32] | wagnerrp: | '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [20:12:51] | mag0o: | thanks |
| [20:17:25] | notlistening: | thanks sphery all sorted |
| [20:20:03] | mag0o: | i need to take a tuner out of service until i move a box, would it be best to disconnect it from a source in mythtv-setup > input connections ? |
| [20:21:28] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to re-enable it on the same hostname |
| [20:22:36] | mag0o: | yes, not actually moving the card. just dropped cable for dishnetwork and need to move the box into the closet |
| [20:22:55] | mag0o: | (move the set top box) |
| [20:23:12] | wagnerrp: | if the box is going to be offline |
| [20:23:22] | wagnerrp: | the master backend will notice the slave is offline |
| [20:23:35] | wagnerrp: | and will mark the tuners as such (and not schedule anything on them) |
| [20:23:54] | wagnerrp: | when the slave comes back online, it will rerun the scheduler with the new tuners |
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| [20:24:49] | mag0o: | ok. so with just a master backend that holds all tuners, disconnecting the tuner from the source via 'input connections' should get me covered? |
| [20:25:24] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:25:29] | wagnerrp: | oh, move the STB, not the PC |
| [20:25:48] | mag0o: | yeah, sorry i wasn't clear |
| [20:29:02] | mag0o: | would i need to rerun mfd after exiting mythtv-setup since i disconnected the source? |
| [20:29:20] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [20:29:30] | mag0o: | cool |
| [20:29:40] | sphery: | /away |
| [20:29:58] | mag0o: | -space |
| [20:30:02] | sphery: | Josh: cool... So the page worked for you? (You had total corruption?) |
| [20:30:57] | Josh: | sphery, I'm not aware of any corruption, I was just changing the character set on my mysql server because my backend runs gentoo and I'm about to migrate to 0.22-RC |
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| [20:31:44] | iamlindoro: | ruh roh |
| [20:32:05] | sphery: | Josh: oh, you'll likely soon become aware of corruption :) |
| [20:32:43] | Josh: | sphery, yeah, th |
| [20:33:09] | sphery: | anyway, good luck with it. if it's total (you've always run on a UTF-8 mysqld server), the instructions on that page work. If not, well, upgrading later will be a lot easier. |
| [20:35:46] | Josh: | sphery, from what the guide says, the root cause comes from compiling mysql on gentoo with out the +latin1 USE flag set. I'm surprised I did not need to recompile with +latin1 during the migration. |
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| [20:39:04] | kormoc: | all that flag did was set the default charset for the server, not actually add/remove any features |
| [20:39:16] | markl_: | ok my pchdtv card finally died |
| [20:39:24] | ** kormoc claps for markl_ ** | |
| [20:39:32] | markl_: | what is the best hd tuner to use these days, hd homerun? |
| [20:39:34] | Josh: | kormoc, which is what editing the my.cnf file did? |
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| [20:39:43] | kormoc: | Josh, yes |
| [20:39:57] | Josh: | markl_, any digital tuner should be fine, as long as it's supported in linux |
| [20:40:09] | kormoc: | markl_: hdhomerun is awesome, aye |
| [20:40:17] | markl_: | Josh: yeah i need some examples; i haven't researched things since the pchdtv came out |
| [20:40:24] | tmkt: | i have HVR-1600 |
| [20:40:25] | markl_: | kormoc: ok cool thanks |
| [20:40:27] | tmkt: | bought it 6 months ago |
| [20:40:28] | tmkt: | its great |
| [20:40:36] | tmkt: | use it for OTA – ATSC |
| [20:40:49] | oblib: | Are there any known issues with upconverting to 5.1 audio? I just updated my svn build (since June or so), and my sound is broken. I have an optical connection to my Dolby receiver, and now it just puts out noise when it tries to upconvert |
| [20:40:57] | markl_: | oh man i got burned by hauppauge with their wintv-hd |
| [20:41:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | markl_: I have a HDHomeRun – ATSC – works great. |
| [20:41:09] | markl_: | still kind of nervous about them |
| [20:41:11] | Josh: | I've got an ATSC hdhomerun as well. |
| [20:41:21] | markl_: | ok homerun it is, thanks |
| [20:41:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | markl_: needs a slightly stronger signal than my HD3000 or HVR-1250, but it works well. ;-) |
| [20:41:38] | Josh: | I just wish the cable consortium would suck it up and let me have one with a cableCARD slot (I know it'll never happen) |
| [20:41:55] | kormoc: | josh, hdpvr to the rescue? |
| [20:42:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: Yeah, but after the discussion earlier today about cablecards, and everything being stored encrypted... yuck... |
| [20:42:21] | Josh: | kormoc, at a cost of another $200 :) but yeah. |
| [20:42:33] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, I agree, but at least it will work? |
| [20:42:51] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, no remote frontends of course |
| [20:43:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: I wouldn't hold my breath... I'm probably going to go the HD-PVR route myself, unless I can get the channels I want in-the-clear over firewire. |
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| [20:44:58] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, Sigh. My local comcast rep wouldnt even entertain the idea of *any* ports on their STB's being live. |
| [20:45:07] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, I just wanted to change channels :) |
| [20:45:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: If you've got a HD STB, and are in the US, they *HAVE* to provide a box with a working firewire port. |
| [20:45:49] | sphery: | Josh: did your DB upgrade to 0.22-fixes/trunk complete without errors? |
| [20:45:57] | devinheitmueller: | Josh: your Comcast rep probably couldn't have even told you what firewire is. |
| [20:46:08] | devinheitmueller: | If it's not on their script, they are totally clueless. |
| [20:46:08] | Josh: | sphery, havent installed the binaries yet. |
| [20:46:19] | Josh: | devinheitmueller, I agree, but that pisses me off |
| [20:46:29] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, can you cite the law that says that? |
| [20:46:37] | Josh: | I had no idea the were required to give one. |
| [20:46:52] | devinheitmueller: | Josh: hell, many of them would deny even knowing what this "cablecard" thing is. |
| [20:46:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: It's a FCC ruling – should get lots of hits from the -users list archive on gossamer. |
| [20:46:59] | sphery: | Josh: oh, ok, I was hoping to hear it was all good, now. |
| [20:47:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: But only if you've got an HD box. If you've got a SD box, there's no such requirement. |
| [20:47:43] | wagnerrp: | an HD box? or an HD subscription? |
| [20:47:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Josh: And most of the content is likely to be encrypted, but channel-changing *should* work... |
| [20:47:54] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, when I was arguing with the helplessdesk attendant, I even offered to get the HD box. |
| [20:48:00] | wagnerrp: | you can have either without the other |
| [20:48:41] | ** J-e-f-f-A wonders what good a HD subscription do without an HD STB... ** | |
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| [20:52:00] | Josh: | J-e-f-f-A, we don't have an HD subscription, but we still get *some* HD channels that arent offered in QAM |
| [20:52:14] | Josh: | it's still a SD box, but the channel is still viewable |
| [20:52:17] | MythBork: | Hey guys, running 022 pretty nicely now. I have to show it at my user group meeting tomorrow night. One thing I knwo they are going to wan tot see and i can't figure out is backgrounds in MythVideo. Can anyone tell me how to set one? |
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| [20:52:52] | benklop: | where do mythui themes get fan art? |
| [20:52:55] | notlistening: | is a load average of 2.51 bad / good if i am running two recording with commercial flagging and a flash video playback? |
| [20:53:12] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: how many cores do you have? |
| [20:53:31] | Josh: | notlistening, 15:53:20 up 91 days, 21:01, 2 users, load average: 6.52, 6.66, 6.73 |
| [20:53:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | MythBork: Load metadata for your videos – either manually for each video (via the "I" key menu), or by using Jamu |
| [20:53:42] | wagnerrp: | are these hardware encoders? digital tuners? framegrabbers? |
| [20:53:42] | MythBork: | benklop, I wanna know how thaty works too. I have it all set up but no fan art has loaded yet. |
| [20:53:56] | MythBork: | J-e-f-f-A, tried that, nothing changes |
| [20:54:00] | notlistening: | atom 330 so dual |
| [20:54:12] | notlistening: | and a homerun |
| [20:54:16] | Josh: | wagnerrp, 3 tuners, one analog, and hdhomerun. |
| [20:54:19] | wagnerrp: | yes, that is bad... you should upgrade the processor |
| [20:54:57] | wagnerrp: | realistically, youre fine |
| [20:55:06] | Josh: | wagnerrp, who |
| [20:55:11] | wagnerrp: | the digital tuners require no processor, and the commflagging will just run slow |
| [20:55:18] | wagnerrp: | Josh: both of you, honestly |
| [20:55:23] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: If loading metadata from MythVideo hitting the "w" key is the fastest way |
| [20:55:27] | notlistening: | gicen that the flash playback is very processor intensive |
| [20:55:39] | oblib: | Anyone know how to fix 5.1 upconversion? |
| [20:55:41] | Josh: | wagnerrp, mine was because I had 12 instances of mythcommflag running simultaneously. |
| [20:55:49] | Josh: | oblib, if you find a way, be sure to let me know. |
| [20:55:53] | oblib: | Or disable it? |
| [20:56:25] | oblib: | I used to be able to just pipe the stereo sound or raw AC3 based on source, but now it looks like it's all or nothing |
| [20:56:26] | wagnerrp: | Josh: ah, that would do it |
| [20:56:27] | Josh: | Time to shut down the backend and install my new HVR-1600 |
| [20:56:27] | MythBork: | RDV_Linux, exactly where do I hit the "W" key? When I have it selected in the video manager? I've tried the "W" key in a few places but never see anything happen. |
| [20:56:34] | wagnerrp: | although the jobqueue should haev defaulted to a sane limit, of one |
| [20:57:08] | MythBork: | Josh, when I commflag HD programs that are more than 90 minutes it can take several hours if more than one is being flagged at once |
| [20:57:42] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: Within MythVideo you need to be positioned over a video file that you want the metadata for |
| [20:57:59] | MythBork: | RDV, in the gallery view? |
| [20:58:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | MythBork: Humm... You using a MythUI Theme? (IE: Terra or Graphite [i think there are others too...])? |
| [20:58:25] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: hitting w over a sub directory will not do anything |
| [20:58:27] | RyeBrye: | MythLogBot: You have to be using something like Graphite to get the fanart in mythvideo |
| [20:58:28] | MythBork: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm using the new mythbuntu theme for 0.22 |
| [20:58:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | MythBork: The 'old' themes that have not been converted to MythUI don't have the support. (Humm... I think the mytbuntu one does though...) |
| [20:58:57] | RyeBrye: | Maybe in #mythbuntu they know htf to get their theme to work |
| [20:59:11] | MythBork: | J-e-f-f-A, RDV_Linux – let me switch to Graphite and try it |
| [20:59:26] | RyeBrye: | What processor takes hours to commflag HD material on? |
| [20:59:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | MythBork: Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing the background images on the mythbuntu theme on my 0.22-fixes RC1 box the other night... |
| [20:59:42] | MythBork: | brb |
| [20:59:54] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: The 0.22 Mythbuntu theme displays all available graphics types |
| [21:00:29] | notlistening: | Another probably dumb question, in the UK we have 6 multiplexes for freeview is is possible to record more than one program off the same multiplex simultaneously? |
| [21:00:51] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: At least check your fanart graphics directory to make sure it has graphics to be displayed. |
| [21:00:59] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: yes, its called virtual tuners |
| [21:01:05] | wagnerrp: | supported since 0.20 |
| [21:01:29] | notlistening: | right i will go and look that one up wagnerrp |
| [21:01:31] | benklop: | wagnerrp: its not supported on the hdhr until .22, right? |
| [21:02:00] | benklop: | that's what I gathered from the .22 release notes anyway |
| [21:02:07] | notlistening: | ahh i am running trunk so i am fine ... but good to know all the same |
| [21:02:14] | wagnerrp: | benklop: correct |
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| [21:08:02] | MythBork: | RDV_Linux, no fanart in any themes, mythbuntu, graphite or terra. Do I need to download and assign the fanart myself? |
| [21:09:55] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: Assuming you have scanned in your video collection and configured your graphics directories you should be able to use the "w" key as previously described. |
| [21:09:58] | wagnerrp: | i believe graphite is the only one of those that actually has fanart |
| [21:10:15] | wagnerrp: | (fanart being full screen background images) |
| [21:10:56] | wagnerrp: | i would really like to know what i signed up to that is bringing me all this russian spam |
| [21:11:00] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I am pretty sure Mythbuntu also has fanart |
| [21:12:04] | MythBork: | RDV_Linux, I have configured my directories, is there a particular scan I shoudl perform other than the "scan for changes" in the video manager? |
| [21:12:47] | wagnerrp: | yes... the 'w' key |
| [21:13:09] | wagnerrp: | or you can reach the same command through the 'm' menu (or is it the 'i' menu) |
| [21:13:13] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: just as wagnerrp wrote |
| [21:13:33] | wagnerrp: | MythBork: just as RDV_Linux wrote (several times) |
| [21:14:14] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: If you are still having problems look at your FE logs to see whats up |
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| [21:15:11] | sphery: | I've always wondered why it's the W key for metadata. Seems upside down. |
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| [21:16:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That's *exactly* why :) |
| [21:16:05] | iamlindoro: | (and m is taken) |
| [21:16:10] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:16:21] | sphery: | so, do I have to stand on my head when I want to get metadata? |
| [21:16:27] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: If you are still having problems please review this page carefully: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [21:16:28] | sphery: | I haven't been good at that since I was 12 |
| [21:16:35] | iamlindoro: | if you do, it'll still be easier than .21 ;) |
| [21:16:41] | sphery: | true |
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| [21:19:11] | Josh: | ** MARK ** mythtv upgrade commencing. |
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| [21:20:17] | kormoc: | Mark? Mark who? |
| [21:20:24] | Josh: | haha |
| [21:20:35] | iamlindoro: | We have too many marks |
| [21:20:37] | iamlindoro: | and too many robs |
| [21:20:40] | iamlindoro: | and stuarts |
| [21:20:41] | Josh: | Step 1: Database backup |
| [21:21:00] | wagnerrp: | and too many christophers? |
| [21:21:12] | iamlindoro: | ooh, yeah, that too |
| [21:21:17] | kormoc: | I was first! |
| [21:21:22] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
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| [21:22:14] | Josh: | /usr/bin/mythbackend |
| [21:22:22] | MythBork: | thanks guys, got it working I had a typo in my config of where my fanart was stored :P |
| [21:22:26] | Josh: | what's the default install dir for trunk? |
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| [21:22:35] | kormoc: | same as it was for every other version? |
| [21:23:00] | Josh: | kormoc, I've always ran packaged builds, and my dev machines I didnt care where the binaries went. |
| [21:23:13] | Josh: | but I'll find out, thanks. |
| [21:23:30] | wagnerrp: | /usr/local i believe |
| [21:23:36] | Josh: | wagnerrp, correct. |
| [21:23:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp gets 10 points and is first on the board |
| [21:24:03] | wagnerrp: | sweet... |
| [21:24:06] | Josh: | FIRST POST |
| [21:24:20] | iamlindoro: | which brings me to my next point |
| [21:24:24] | iamlindoro: | don't do drugs, kids |
| [21:24:39] | Josh: | iamlindoro, drugs are bad, mmkay? |
| [21:24:41] | wagnerrp: | G.I.JOE! |
| [21:24:45] | kormoc: | But but but... crack is cool and have you seen those meth models? HAWT! |
| [21:24:59] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: as long as they dont open their mouth |
| [21:27:34] | ** AndyCap only goes for ketamine users ** | |
| [21:28:03] | Josh: | AndyCap, don't those purr a lot? |
| [21:28:49] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get my smtp server working... |
| [21:29:00] | wagnerrp: | having webmail and not being able to reply is bothersome |
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| [21:29:29] | AndyCap: | I have no sendmail and I want to post. |
| [21:29:43] | iamlindoro: | I have no mouth and I must scream |
| [21:30:00] | wagnerrp: | you can still kindof scream out your nose |
| [21:30:16] | AndyCap: | well, he was missing more than his mouth. :P |
| [21:30:52] | benklop: | anybody here actually using the hdhr for lirc w remote controls? |
| [21:31:07] | notlistening: | I am |
| [21:31:15] | benklop: | does that actually work well? |
| [21:31:38] | notlistening: | the hr s quite directional but it works find for me |
| [21:32:19] | notlistening: | it is hidden just below the samsung screen |
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| [21:33:02] | ** wagnerrp pines for HDMI-CEC ** | |
| [21:33:05] | AndyCap: | which reminds me to check if the cheap samsung has rs-232 |
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| [21:33:26] | benklop: | cool. Maybe I can do that with some cheap-ass the-device-is-missing remote at goodwill |
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| [21:33:46] | benklop: | my universal's buttons are getting harder and harder to press |
| [21:34:00] | notlistening: | I use the TV remote |
| [21:34:18] | Josh: | should there be a trailing slash on ./configure --prefix=/usr/bin |
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| [21:34:19] | benklop: | and i've never actually used lirc – I have an infared keyboard that my uniersal remote can learn from |
| [21:34:22] | MythBork: | oops, sorry guys, I bailed out before I asked my last question. I have several movies in .mkv format and now they no longer appear in mythvideo. How do I fix that? |
| [21:34:31] | wagnerrp: | Josh: doesnt matter |
| [21:34:41] | Josh: | wagnerrp, thought so, thanks. |
| [21:34:57] | android6011: | on my clearqam channels for non hd content, there is a top thin static type bar on most content. is there any way around it? |
| [21:35:28] | Josh: | wagnerrp, Now that I'm specifying --prefix=, I'm getting build errors... |
| [21:35:28] | notlistening: | also want HDMI-CEC just to switch his screen off :P what progress we have made :D |
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| [21:35:41] | RDV_Linux: | MythBork: There should be nothing wrong with mkv as long as they reside in your MythVideo path(s) |
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| [21:36:05] | MythBork: | hmmm, the are in the path, but not appearing |
| [21:36:19] | MythBork: | strange |
| [21:36:47] | MythBork: | had the same problem with another movie. Had to move it out and then back into the path to get it to show up |
| [21:36:48] | Josh: | /usr/bin/locale:28: error: expected declaration before '}' token |
| [21:36:54] | AndyCap: | android6011: overscan in the playback? |
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| [21:37:02] | notlistening: | is 0.17 better for one recording with comm flagging? |
| [21:37:06] | MythBork: | I'll try that, just thought maybe it was because they were all mkv's |
| [21:37:42] | notlistening: | as in load average not versions |
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| [21:38:15] | benklop: | notlistening: ahha, i was about to ask why anyone would use .17.... |
| [21:38:20] | android6011: | AndyCap: how can I check? |
| [21:39:03] | Josh: | Is there something I'm not understanding about --prefix ? I specify a --prefix dir (to install the binaries in) and now mythtv is not compiling. |
| [21:39:15] | benklop: | android6011: i've got that too, it's actually the analog closed captioning data |
| [21:39:24] | benklop: | at least i'm pretty sure it is |
| [21:39:31] | AndyCap: | android6011: not sure where it is in current mythtv actually, since I've switched to digital and I haven't used it |
| [21:39:53] | AndyCap: | benklop: and the broadcaster was sloppy when making the digital stream. :P |
| [21:40:40] | benklop: | AndyCap: pretty much. it's that way for just about all non-hd content here OTA |
| [21:40:57] | android6011: | ya same here, i only get the ota via clearqam |
| [21:41:09] | android6011: | except for qvchd ... |
| [21:41:18] | android6011: | like im gonna watch that garbage |
| [21:41:28] | benklop: | heh |
| [21:41:58] | benklop: | there is a filter that will put a black bar over the top multiple of 16 pixels |
| [21:42:03] | benklop: | that might work for you |
| [21:42:32] | benklop: | since i'm displaying on a SD tv, it takes up too much of the video for me |
| [21:42:59] | android6011: | ill probably just hold off with messing with settings until I get a real tv. Right now I am just using a 22" lcd monitor via hdmi |
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| [21:44:48] | benklop: | while you're at the TV store can you get me one? |
| [21:46:06] | Josh: | Is there a build option somewhere to specify who will own the binaries when they are installed? |
| [21:46:23] | Dagmar: | What? In the makefiles? |
| [21:46:53] | Dagmar: | By default, whatever uid was used to install them, owns them. |
| [21:46:54] | Josh: | Dagmar, no idea, just a stupid, stupid bat-worthy question |
| [21:48:11] | Josh: | Dagmar, but just because they are owned by root doesnt mean that they will get root priv when it is ran by a regular user, I think that's how it works. |
| [21:48:17] | Josh: | unless the binaries are setuid root. |
| [21:49:26] | Dagmar: | Josh: Umm.... that was broken |
| [21:49:45] | Dagmar: | Who owns a file has nothing to do with what uid it's run as _unless_ it's suid/sgid. |
| [21:50:07] | Dagmar: | suid/sgid is a hack/override. |
| [21:50:14] | Josh: | Dagmar, gotcha. |
| [21:52:18] | Josh: | I'm going to have a problem. In 0.21, I did not use storage groups, now, in 0.22, I will be. I want to move all my recordings from /recordings to /myth_storage/recordings and not break all the metadata |
| [21:52:42] | Dagmar: | hopefully you know some SQL |
| [21:52:54] | Josh: | Dagmar, thought so :) |
| [21:53:36] | Josh: | OR |
| [21:53:42] | Josh: | hmm. |
| [21:53:49] | Dagmar: | You could always just make /recordings the SG, but that's a guess |
| [21:54:03] | Josh: | I could set up the new recordings dir, and add /recordings to the same SG as the new dir |
| [21:54:23] | kormoc: | As long as it doesn't involve sed on /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/*.... |
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| [21:54:30] | Dagmar: | teehee |
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| [21:56:16] | wagnerrp: | you do not want to make /recordings a SG directory |
| [21:56:53] | wagnerrp: | in that scenario, either youre recording to your root partition (fail) |
| [21:57:19] | Josh: | wagnerrp, /recordings is a 300GB raid1. |
| [21:57:23] | wagnerrp: | or youre recording to the root directory of another partition, which will subsequently record to your root partition in the event the other partition failed to mount (fail) |
| [21:57:51] | Josh: | wagnerrp, how would you do it? |
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| [21:58:11] | wagnerrp: | mount to /recordings, record to /recordings/video |
| [21:58:15] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [21:58:23] | Josh: | wagnerrp, Tjat |
| [21:58:36] | wagnerrp: | so if your raid1 does not mount, your recordings directory does not exist |
| [21:58:40] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv fails outright |
| [21:58:47] | wagnerrp: | rather than filling up your root partition |
| [21:58:57] | wagnerrp: | and possibly crashing your database |
| [21:59:16] | Dagmar: | I'd like to think that the machine will immediately carp loudly if it fails to mount a required filesystem |
| [21:59:21] | Josh: | wagnerrp, that's essentially what I wanted to do, 300GB raid1, called "myth_storage", with the SG's inside. |
| [21:59:48] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: sure, if youre paying attention |
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| [22:00:06] | wagnerrp: | and/or you have it set up to mount through fstab |
| [22:00:15] | Dagmar: | Mine won't go to runlevel 4 without it, but i'm special |
| [22:00:23] | Josh: | Dagmar, I dont think I have anything in place if something fails to mount, but I do have mdadm set to complain to my phone if I drop a drive. |
| [22:00:34] | Dagmar: | Either all the required disks are mounted or it assumes it's not safe to resume normal operation |
| [22:00:45] | wagnerrp: | well yeah, my systems will drop to single user if they fail to mount something |
| [22:00:56] | wagnerrp: | but only because i mount everything through fstab |
| [22:01:09] | wagnerrp: | ive never used linux software raid, to know if thats how you do it |
| [22:01:22] | Dagmar: | It's definitely the way it works through LVM |
| [22:01:40] | Dagmar: | Stuff just goes into fstab, and when they're called the kernel knows it's supposed to go through LVM |
| [22:01:51] | Josh: | wagnerrp, yeah. software raid just gives you a volume and a disk node /dev/mdX |
| [22:02:11] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ive just always heard its bad form to record to the root directory of a partition |
| [22:02:32] | Dagmar: | It's bad in general principle to create a new directory in / without good freakin' reason |
| [22:02:34] | Josh: | wagnerrp, sounds logical, glad I'm changing it. |
| [22:02:59] | Dagmar: | I've got /storage as the sole "new" directory in / on most of my machines when there's no concrete purpose for extra disk |
| [22:03:15] | Dagmar: | It obviously has more subdirs under it, because /storage doesn't describe compartmental use |
| [22:03:23] | wagnerrp: | i just shove everything into /mnt |
| [22:03:42] | Josh: | /storage/shoeporn, /storage/treeporn, ... |
| [22:04:01] | Josh: | *grin* |
| [22:04:22] | Dagmar: | Mainlt broadcasts, recordings, audio, images |
| [22:04:51] | Dagmar: | ...as well as tarballs, packages, and /storage/tmp |
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| [22:05:56] | kormoc: | I doubt anyone has any tree people porn |
| [22:06:10] | kormoc: | at least my faith in humanity hopes not |
| [22:06:35] | Dagmar: | I have faith that someday the NRA will successfully lobby to legalize the hunting of furries for their hides. |
| [22:06:44] | Dagmar: | After all, no animals would be harmed. |
| [22:06:53] | wagnerrp: | do i have to invoke rule 34? |
| [22:07:23] | Dagmar: | It's your eyes man. |
| [22:07:34] | Dagmar: | s/It's/They're/; |
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| [22:12:15] | Dagmar: | @#!$@!$ |
| [22:12:21] | Dagmar: | Another night with shows on I'd like to watch |
| [22:12:42] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to build and test 0.22 on another machine at this rate |
| [22:12:53] | Josh: | Home cooking is killing the resturaunt industry |
| [22:13:27] | Dagmar: | So obviously the solution is to lobby against public education. |
| [22:13:36] | Dagmar: | People can't learn to cook at home if they never learn to read |
| [22:14:02] | Dagmar: | ...or restrict the sale of flour to licenced restaurants and pre-cooked food supply chains. |
| [22:14:21] | Dagmar: | It worked for tobacco |
| [22:14:38] | Josh: | Dagmar, now *that's* an idea |
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| [22:15:42] | Josh: | lets see if the new mythtv-setup upgrades my db without a problem. |
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| [22:16:01] | Josh: | I know whats-his-face was having issues of it getting past schema version 1215 |
| [22:16:12] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I figured out this DTS HD decoding problem |
| [22:16:20] | wagnerrp: | because his database was broken |
| [22:16:27] | wagnerrp: | broken long ago |
| [22:16:33] | wagnerrp: | so the backups were also broken |
| [22:17:06] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: looks like we handle the DTS core frames just fine but the DTS HD extension frame attempts to be decoded |
| [22:17:24] | Dagmar: | I'm gonna start suggesting people chekc their database sanity the moment they have a failed schema change |
| [22:17:46] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: we have a bug where when we receive an unknown DTS frame type we process anyways |
| [22:17:57] | Josh: | wagnerrp, It appears the upgrade is going smoothly. |
| [22:18:10] | Josh: | wagnerrp, did he have to wipe and start over? |
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| [22:23:02] | Josh: | wagnerrp, schema upgarded to 1244 without error |
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| [22:23:59] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, hmm, definitely odd-- just tested a DTS-HD MA track here and it's decoding properly-- must only be a problem in certain files |
| [22:24:13] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, AFAIK ffmpeg shouldn't even pass us anything besides the core |
| [22:24:37] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it's definitely passed more than core blocks |
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| [22:25:20] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, unless something has changed (or unless the file itself is broken) then that's definitely not the intended behavior |
| [22:25:34] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: at any rate, the current code will process unknown DTS blocks right now because it is missing proper error handling |
| [22:25:37] | justinh: | Josh: home cooking is killing restaraunts now? heh. Next thing we know, they'll be saying that people with camcorders are recording movies & killing cinema |
| [22:26:05] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I can provide you a patch that will tell you if DTS-HD extensions are being processed or not |
| [22:26:25] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: you may not know it since it's not certain that it will cause a segfault |
| [22:26:33] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, TBH I have too many patches to test right now :) I trust you |
| [22:27:01] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: actually could you send me a short sample if you find the time? |
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| [22:27:47] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Will try to get around to it but I will be out this weekend, so it may be at least a few days |
| [22:28:03] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: no problem |
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| [22:29:56] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: with this fixed everything in my library now plays perfectly using the Internal player... of course some of my patches are needed :) |
| [22:30:29] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: and this includes proper seeking |
| [22:30:33] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Glad to have you looking at player issues, it's nice to get this kind of help |
| [22:31:35] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: the Internal player has too many nice features to not fix these little issues |
| [22:31:44] | iamlindoro: | agreed |
| [22:31:53] | elmojo: | it really is the most advanced video player in existence |
| [22:32:06] | tmkt: | now just need the internal player to play encrypted blueray :D |
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| [22:33:51] | test3: | excuse me .. my mythtv is old .. is there a link where i can see new improovments ( of last versions) |
| [22:34:16] | tmkt: | how old? |
| [22:34:22] | test3: | 1year |
| [22:34:24] | tmkt: | new myth is amazing |
| [22:34:28] | tmkt: | ah..not that old |
| [22:34:35] | test3: | what is actual version ? |
| [22:34:44] | tmkt: | v0.21 |
| [22:35:00] | tmkt: | 22 is on the verge |
| [22:35:06] | test3: | ty |
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| [22:37:17] | test3: | i got the 0.21.20080304 .. what did 'they' invented after ? :) |
| [22:37:29] | test3: | (hi iamlindoro ;) |
| [22:37:34] | justinh: | we're all on the verge dear |
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| [22:44:21] | kormoc: | test3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22 |
| [22:44:51] | test3: | tyty |
| [22:49:17] | justinh: | hookees it's time to export questiontime from mythtv & get it into my video editor for the hatchet job |
| [22:49:45] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: curious if TrueHD is backwards compatible with AC-3 decoders? |
| [22:49:45] | Josh: | What would be an example of something that would go in the "Banners" SG? |
| [22:50:12] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: so far I haven't found anything that says it is backwards compatible |
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| [22:51:18] | pjcrux: | hello all, recently upgraded to fedora 11 and installed mythtv after installing mythtv myth-web doesn't work only displays a blank page. these are my logs. I don't know what dependency is missing. http://paste.amahi.org/f496c210a and http://paste.amahi.org/f1222ae46 |
| [22:51:26] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, no, it's not |
| [22:51:42] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: does mythtv support it properly? |
| [22:51:55] | iamlindoro: | Josh, http://www.thetvdb.com/ The images for the shows on the top page here |
| [22:52:10] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Some of that tracks better than others, but yes |
| [22:52:16] | Dagmar: | pjcrux: You don't get to just install it and it magically works on it's own. |
| [22:52:22] | Dagmar: | pjcrux: Run mythtv-setup |
| [22:52:27] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: cool, thanks for the info |
| [22:52:41] | pjcrux: | dagmar, I've used mythtv before |
| [22:52:55] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, np |
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| [22:53:16] | Dagmar: | pjcrux: Well you apparently never read your own logs before |
| [22:53:19] | pjcrux: | before when I went to myth-web the listings showed after I had done myth-setup |
| [22:53:27] | pjcrux: | only a blank webpage shows |
| [22:53:46] | Dagmar: | As to the other, install php-process |
| [22:53:51] | kormoc: | Try that again? |
| [22:54:04] | Dagmar: | l2google http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/388774 |
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| [22:54:18] | Josh: | Dagmar, I like to use "www.lmgtfy.com" |
| [22:54:33] | Dagmar: | Too much typin' |
| [22:54:41] | Josh: | haha |
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| [22:55:16] | pjcrux: | dagmar thank you |
| [22:55:21] | Josh: | so, you guys are saying that now, with the new channel scanner, there will be no difference scanning with my HVR-1600 vs my HDhomerun? |
| [22:55:36] | Dagmar: | pjcrux: No problem |
| [22:56:01] | Dagmar: | I only get bothered with people who seriously argue hard than their computer is actually turned on and so forth |
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| [22:56:24] | Dagmar: | s/than/that/; |
| [22:57:15] | Josh: | Dagmar, "Can you verify for me that the power is plugged into a working outlet?" "No." "Why not?" "Because it's too dark" "Why can't you turn on a light?""Because there is a storm and the power failed" |
| [22:57:47] | Dagmar: | You'd be amazed. |
| [22:57:51] | Dagmar: | You really would. |
| [22:58:19] | Josh: | Dagmar, I have a friend that works the Helpless Desk. I call occaisionally to yank his chain :) |
| [22:58:51] | justinh: | anybody ever asked you how much a HDD weighs when it's full compared to when it's empty? |
| [22:59:10] | Josh: | justinh, hahaha, |
| [22:59:28] | justinh: | our tech support team at work have had that one |
| [22:59:37] | Dagmar: | Josh: You know some night he's going to kill you in your sleep, right? |
| [23:00:02] | justinh: | and the cctv installer who wanted to know why the pictures he got were still only mono after upgrading the dvr to a colour version |
| [23:00:50] | justinh: | I liked this when I saw it today http://i.imgur.com/WyoOL.jpg |
| [23:00:57] | paul3v: | Dagmar: Would it be a good idea to just record video to my HDD and then play it in windows if, as you suggested, I have a problem with my video card drivers? |
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| [23:01:30] | Dagmar: | paul3v: That might well work, but you can pick up an old (or a new one actually) nVidia card for pretty cheap |
| [23:01:51] | paul3v: | Cool, thanks |
| [23:01:55] | Dagmar: | VLC can't really be trusted to play a damn thing anymore, but i'm having great success with SMPlayer (Win32 port of MPlayer) under Windows over SMB |
| [23:02:48] | Josh: | wagnerrp, what was the order you suggested I load my capture cards and sources? |
| [23:03:10] | Dagmar: | The highest-quality one first |
| [23:03:18] | Dagmar: | s/one /one/s; |
| [23:03:25] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
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| [23:09:39] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: nice patch -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6395 |
| [23:10:03] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I need to update that thing again someday soon |
| [23:10:05] | tjcarter: | So Portland, Oregon supposedly has all or nearly all channels available via firewire. I've got a Pace RNG 110 changing channels with 6200ch, but Myth gives only Partial Lock.. |
| [23:10:32] | tjcarter: | Is there a chance my FW port is not properly enabled? |
| [23:10:36] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: and I guess we don't support TrueHD passthrough... so how do you handle your TrueHD stuff? |
| [23:10:46] | tjcarter: | or is this just not going to work? |
| [23:10:48] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, correct, it's just decoded internally |
| [23:11:09] | iamlindoro: | don't think anyone in linux supports bitstreaming of the HD audioformats yet |
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| [23:11:24] | elmojo: | I guess with the new audio code recently committed you could decode TrueHD internally and then encode to AC3 |
| [23:11:34] | elmojo: | good to know |
| [23:12:06] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, you could (in theory)... I have been noticing a number of audio problems since the audio stuff was committed.. need to explore further and open some tickets |
| [23:12:10] | elmojo: | is it mandatory for HD-DVD and Bluray to provide AC-3 |
| [23:12:25] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [23:12:46] | elmojo: | but DTSHD was required for HDDVD, right? |
| [23:12:51] | iamlindoro: | TrueHD was |
| [23:12:56] | mchou: | tjcarter: it works man |
| [23:13:00] | elmojo: | oh, got that backwards |
| [23:13:15] | tjcarter: | mchou: I got channels turning, but no picture |
| [23:13:25] | mchou: | tjcarter: you probably using incompatible 1394 libs |
| [23:13:46] | tjcarter: | mchou: I'm using whatever cecil calls Knoppmyth R6 nowadays |
| [23:14:04] | mchou: | tjcarter: I have no experience w/ that |
| [23:14:20] | tjcarter: | well, presumably he knows how to match 1394 libs and Myth ;) |
| [23:14:47] | tjcarter: | but is it possible the channels are just not enabled for display? |
| [23:14:48] | mchou: | dont presume jack |
| [23:15:09] | mchou: | tjcarter: man dont be daft |
| [23:15:31] | mchou: | there is no need to use myth to verify youre firewire jacks are working |
| [23:15:39] | mchou: | your* |
| [23:15:57] | mchou: | tjcarter: go back to basics |
| [23:16:07] | tjcarter: | cecil neglected to include some of the basics |
| [23:16:14] | mchou: | tjcarter: verify and test |
| [23:16:22] | ** tjcarter pokes with fork ** | |
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| [23:17:05] | tjcarter: | it DOES work with 6200ch though |
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| [23:17:22] | tjcarter: | what that means for getting a picture out of it, I don't know yet |
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| [23:22:39] | bobgill: | Hope someone can help, trying to get mythnuv2mkv going here ( using mplayer-svn) here's output http://pastebin.ca/1640900 |
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| [23:24:02] | kormoc: | "Just use nuvexport" ? |
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| [23:25:19] | tjcarter: | mchou: apparently the links where I could actually get test-mpeg2 ... are all dead. |
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| [23:26:44] | samlander: | wow.. active channel :D |
| [23:27:41] | samlander: | what's the best distro to use with myth? mythbunto? |
| [23:28:49] | kormoc: | whatever |
| [23:29:06] | kormoc: | We don't claim any one is better then any other one |
| [23:29:14] | samlander: | fair enough |
| [23:29:26] | samlander: | i just heard about mythtv a few days ago so i am an uber nooob :/ |
| [23:29:45] | samlander: | but im trying to plan the parts together to do what i need it to |
| [23:30:21] | Dagmar: | samlander: read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [23:30:49] | samlander: | ty |
| [23:31:02] | samlander: | i was just reading through the forums :D |
| [23:31:26] | kormoc: | We don't officially have any forums, FYI |
| [23:31:46] | squish102: | samlander, i used mythbuntu, and it was a breeze to setup |
| [23:31:51] | samlander: | sweet |
| [23:32:05] | samlander: | im trying to replace my bell sat dual pvr hd receiver |
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| [23:32:21] | samlander: | the whole concept of having more capicity + bluray + net is thrilling |
| [23:32:48] | tjcarter: | mchou: MPEG2 recorded, 0 bytes |
| [23:33:33] | samlander: | i wonder if it can do real time h.264 encoding |
| [23:33:38] | samlander: | that would save on space for the hd signals |
| [23:33:49] | kormoc: | samlander: just buy a hdpvr |
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| [23:34:31] | samlander: | kormoc: i have one, im trying to build a better one :) |
| [23:34:40] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [23:35:06] | kormoc: | I'm not sure that you could build a better device then a hardware component h.264 encoder via usb... |
| [23:35:57] | samlander: | i honestly dont know what codec my reciever uses to encode the video to its harddrive |
| [23:36:00] | kormoc: | samlander: (this is the hdpvr I speak of, http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html ) |
| [23:36:21] | Dagmar: | As far as I know that's the ONLY device capable of capturing HD video without being encumbered |
| [23:36:40] | samlander: | interesting |
| [23:36:41] | kormoc: | Dagmar: he thought I ment a hdpvr cable box, not a hdpvr capture device |
| [23:36:48] | samlander: | bingo |
| [23:37:19] | kormoc: | anyway, buy that, enjoy h.264 encoding with no cpu usage |
| [23:37:43] | samlander: | :D |
| [23:38:16] | bobgill: | kormoc: Thanks, I hadn't known of nuvexport.. I only have a few pvr150s going for good ol' analog/2ch recordings.. I just want to reduce their filesizes in the interest of disk space (and I do plan to keep the recordings I have, wouldn't bother if was planning to delete later on of course). I figured mkv a good container w/vdpau now, hence I wanted to use mythnuv2mkv.. would it make more sense to just use nu |
| [23:38:35] | kormoc: | then buy a nvidia card and enjoy h.264 decoding with little cpu usage |
| [23:38:51] | kormoc: | bobgill: nuvexport is the officially supported export app, so aye, give that a go |
| [23:38:54] | mzb: | samlander, if mythtv is right for you, and you do manage to get everything going the way you like, then mythtv can change your life :) |
| [23:39:19] | sphery: | kormoc: I know what's better than "a hardware component h.264 encoder via usb": a hardware component h.264 encoder via usb 3^H^H^H^H^HSuperSpeed USB |
| [23:39:32] | samlander: | im thinking of building on an i7 box |
| [23:39:36] | kormoc: | Doh! |
| [23:39:41] | ** kormoc smacks his forehead ** | |
| [23:39:45] | kormoc: | how could I be so dense! |
| [23:39:59] | mzb: | "saving space" with real time compression is probably not a realistic expectation |
| [23:40:09] | sphery: | I have a feeling that Hauppauge will get theirs done before I get mine done, though. :) |
| [23:40:19] | bobgill: | kormoc: yup I have 8800gt, I suppose I might be confused in that I'm thinking if I can get it all transcoded to mkv, that will use vdpau, whereas divx playback would not make use of vdpau yet?? i might be wrong here |
| [23:40:46] | sphery: | does the 8800 do vdpau? |
| [23:40:54] | bobgill: | yup |
| [23:40:55] | sphery: | I thought it was the special-case 8x00 |
| [23:41:01] | kormoc: | I honestly don't think MVK is VDPAU accelerated, but I might be wrong, I know divx is (on certain cards) |
| [23:41:06] | sphery: | maybe that was just the 8800 GTX |
| [23:41:11] | samlander: | mzb: counting on it.. i promised to kick my buddy in the nuts for turning me on to this |
| [23:41:29] | bobgill: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Supported_Cards |
| [23:41:29] | samlander: | mzb: i could go and buy a new sat receiver but honeslty i want the challenge of building my own :D |
| [23:42:01] | samlander: | mzb: im looking at a radeon with an hdmi out and an audio passthrough.. gonna have to check it against the hcl same as the dual reciever card i got picked out |
| [23:42:11] | kormoc: | bobgill: so for feature set A, you don't get mvk or divx acceleration |
| [23:42:15] | sphery: | bobgill: ah, so it was the 8800 gtx |
| [23:42:17] | mzb: | love the Executive_Overview, but "Standard definition recordings will take between 1–3MB per hour" sounds a bit off ;) |
| [23:42:23] | sphery: | (and ultra and the first gts) |
| [23:42:36] | samlander: | crap.. 8 gig/ hr ?! |
| [23:42:38] | samlander: | that's awesome |
| [23:42:50] | sphery: | mzb: I used 1.15GB/hr for SDTV |
| [23:42:57] | mzb: | samlander, forget ati if you want your life to be easier |
| [23:42:59] | sphery: | (and garbage quality) |
| [23:43:03] | samlander: | i can take 8 gr an hour for hd |
| [23:43:04] | mchou: | mzb: that's not off at all |
| [23:43:09] | samlander: | my current pvr can only record 30 hrs of hd |
| [23:43:16] | sphery: | my HDTV is averaging about 6GB/hr |
| [23:43:19] | kormoc: | 600 mb/hr for SD, 1.7 gb/hr for 720p is my current settings, which I'm happy with |
| [23:43:20] | samlander: | at 8 gb/ hr i could put 125 on a TB |
| [23:43:24] | sphery: | some up to 8GB/hr, some as low as 3.5GB/hr |
| [23:43:25] | mchou: | mzb: for SD that is indeed true |
| [23:43:32] | samlander: | sphery: even better |
| [23:43:35] | mzb: | mchou, _megabytes_ per hour? rubbish |
| [23:43:36] | samlander: | kormoc: how much loss though? |
| [23:43:44] | kormoc: | samlander: not any I notice |
| [23:43:51] | mchou: | mzb: ok, you got me :) |
| [23:43:51] | samlander: | kormac: sweet |
| [23:44:11] | mchou: | mzb: thought it said GB :) |
| [23:44:15] | kormoc: | of course, I'm on a small tv and have a reputation for being blind, so... YMMV ;) |
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| [23:44:24] | sphery: | I said gb, so I may have confused the matter |
| [23:44:55] | mzb: | ok ... so now we're all talking the same units ... great page (but) ;)) |
| [23:45:03] | bobgill: | kormoc: feature set A? |
| [23:45:04] | sphery: | samlander: with HDTV, though--unless you use the HD-PVR--you don't control the bitrate (and filesize) |
| [23:45:05] | Dagmar: | mzb: The numbers are accurate. The default settings for a PVR-150/500 at 720x480 amount to 2.2Gb per hour. |
| [23:45:19] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:45:29] | samlander: | hey even at 8gb / hr im happy |
| [23:45:31] | sphery: | GB/hr |
| [23:45:37] | samlander: | that effective quadruples my current experience |
| [23:45:45] | kormoc: | bobgill: that wikipedia page lists your card as supporting feature set A, there's (currently) 3 feature sets, A, B, and C. A supports the least, for divx/mvk, you'll need C |
| [23:45:57] | sphery: | samlander: you're doing 32GB/hr, now? |
| [23:46:01] | Josh: | hmm. |
| [23:46:14] | samlander: | sphery: my bell pvr does 30hrs total |
| [23:46:21] | samlander: | im not sure what the capacity of the drive is |
| [23:46:33] | Dagmar: | sphery: not my problem if he can't read |
| [23:46:37] | mzb: | Dagmar, agreed, I generally estimate 2 _gigabytes_ per hour ... however, that pages says 1–3 _megabytes_ per hour |
| [23:46:38] | sphery: | samlander: ah, quadruples hours, not files/GB |
| [23:46:48] | Dagmar: | mzb: No, it doesn't. |
| [23:46:50] | samlander: | give or take ;) |
| [23:46:56] | samlander: | i'd be happy getting 60 hrs |
| [23:47:01] | kormoc: | With my mix of half hour shows, hour shows and movies, I'm storing ~900 shows on my 1tb drive |
| [23:47:12] | samlander: | and since i plan on putting as large a drive that will fit in there, im golden |
| [23:47:32] | mzb: | "Standard definition recordings will take between 1–3MB per hour, while high definition recordings will run upwards of 8GB per hour." |
| [23:47:34] | Dagmar: | Oh great |
| [23:47:37] | mzb: | ^^ am I misreading that? |
| [23:47:39] | Dagmar: | Some amazteur has been at it |
| [23:47:44] | kormoc: | mzb: nope |
| [23:47:54] | Josh: | So I've got essentially three types of tuners. The Digital QAM's, the STB on my PVR150, and the analog tuner of my HVR-1600. They're all connected to the same cableco. |
| [23:48:03] | Dagmar: | It also says "Standard definition recordings will typically use 1–3GB per hour, and high definition recordings will use between 4–8GB per hour." |
| [23:48:08] | sphery: | Dagmar: it's in Disk storage section (2nd mention of 1–3) |
| [23:48:08] | Josh: | Which one did you guys say I need to use a seperate video source for? |
| [23:48:21] | Dagmar: | The only person you embarrass by criticizing a wiki page is YOUR lazy ass for not correcting it |
| [23:48:34] | Dagmar: | yeah I'm going to go beat the stupid back out of the page now |
| [23:48:57] | mzb: | Dagmar, I'm not trying to embarrass anyone, I think it's a great page. |
| [23:49:02] | Dagmar: | Duplicating the same information in more than one place in an EO document is another route to fail, for this very reason |
| [23:49:19] | Dagmar: | mab: Mainly I'm peeved someone duplicated what was already mentioned and managed to get it wrong |
| [23:49:38] | mzb: | diagram is cool, too |
| [23:49:39] | samlander: | being able to record to dvd is gonna be awesome |
| [23:49:49] | kormoc: | %s/record/archive/g |
| [23:49:59] | samlander: | aye |
| [23:49:59] | kormoc: | %s/g// |
| [23:50:14] | mzb: | samlander, only _one_ large drive? ;)) |
| [23:50:38] | samlander: | it's a small form factor |
| [23:50:45] | mzb: | ah |
| [23:50:55] | kormoc: | I use a mac mini and I have my storage via usb, works fine |
| [23:51:12] | samlander: | however, once usb 3 comes out external will be just as fast |
| [23:51:13] | bobgill: | kormoc: oops you had clicked on to wikipedia page from the myth wiki.. sorry. Now I see it, however it does say that feature set A (my card's capability) supports complete H.264 acceleration.. so I am figuring mkv would be ideal ? |
| [23:51:22] | mzb: | samlander, hmm ... so you'll hide your 12-disk raid array under the lounge? ;) |
| [23:51:32] | samlander: | basement right under the tv |
| [23:51:36] | kormoc: | bobgill: mvk != h.264 afaik |
| [23:51:40] | samlander: | feed the usb cord up through a hole in the floor :) |
| [23:52:03] | kormoc: | bobgill: but I'm no MVK expert, so... |
| [23:52:05] | bobgill: | the mythnuv2mkv script does use h264 to convert to mkv |
| [23:52:13] | kormoc: | well, then there you go |
| [23:52:38] | bobgill: | hehe... well back to my [hopefully] simple error, if someone can help: http://pastebin.ca/1640900 |
| [23:53:06] | kormoc: | bobgill: well, first, line 11 says you need to install bc |
| [23:53:25] | kormoc: | start with that |
| [23:53:43] | sphery: | http://www.gocomics.com/bc/ perhaps? |
| [23:53:52] | bobgill: | oh my, i missed that lol |
| [23:54:28] | bobgill: | ok installed.. ran again, same error |
| [23:54:35] | bobgill: | minus bc |
| [23:54:38] | kormoc: | repaste? |
| [23:54:47] | kormoc: | cause I'd be wondering.... |
| [23:55:03] | sphery: | I hope he didn't install the bc I mentioned |
| [23:55:06] | bobgill: | http://pastebin.ca/1640946 |
| [23:55:15] | bobgill: | lol no.. grabbed from package manager |
| [23:55:21] | kormoc: | Option x264encopts: Bad argument b_pyramid=(null) |
| [23:55:38] | kormoc: | I'd place a dollar on that being the issue |
| [23:55:54] | sphery: | and the pyramids were build some huge number of years bc |
| [23:55:54] | kormoc: | which I was thinking was due to the missing bc |
| [23:56:00] | bobgill: | hmmm |
| [23:56:02] | ** sphery will shut up ** | |
| [23:56:15] | kormoc: | sphery: I'm just waiting for the stargate to open and swallow you up |
| [23:56:26] | ** tjcarter dials ** | |
| [23:58:29] | samlander: | what about dcrypting bev... can it be done internal? |
| [23:58:53] | Dibblah: | samlander: Not something to be discussed here. |
| [23:59:07] | Dibblah: | Take it somewhere else. |
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| [23:59:57] | samlander: | Dibblah: perhaps I was mistaken, Im not looking for unauthorized signals, Im a subscriber. As I mentioned earlier im looking to build a better box, not be a douche |
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