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| [00:08:27] | mzb: | I'm *still* have issues with one particular DVB transport. |
| [00:09:00] | mzb: | I have 100% signal, 0 BER and 0 UNC and the recordings are perfectly viewable. |
| [00:09:37] | mzb: | However, recordings on one particular transport fail to trancode in any way. |
| [00:10:04] | mzb: | error is: Deadlock detected. One buffer is full when the other is empty! Aborting |
| [00:10:56] | mzb: | the only way I've found around the problem is to demux the recording, then requantise the video and and the audio back in ... all very tedious on a 5 hour recording! |
| [00:11:04] | mzb: | any suggestions/fixes? |
| [00:11:05] | iamlindoro: | ollllllld bug, #2077 |
| [00:11:23] | iamlindoro: | (the transcode part) |
| [00:11:24] | mzb: | I've not noticed this issue before |
| [00:11:39] | mzb: | (lossless transcode) |
| [00:12:30] | iamlindoro: | still #2077... |
| [00:13:22] | mzb: | yep, I think I've read it before |
| [00:13:29] | mzb: | real PITA |
| [00:14:15] | mzb: | the link to your user page not working? |
| [00:14:29] | iamlindoro: | works AFAIK |
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| [00:16:33] | mzb: | err .. |
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| [00:17:15] | mzb: | you reference it in the ticket: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Iamlindoro |
| [00:17:36] | iamlindoro: | I referenced it ages ago, after which the wiki has been upgraded twice |
| [00:18:38] | mzb: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Iamlindoro |
| [00:18:39] | mzb: | ok |
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| [00:21:02] | Seventoes: | so can virtual tuners be used to record shows on 2 different channels at the same time? |
| [00:21:18] | iamlindoro: | so long as the two channels are on the same multiplex |
| [00:21:28] | Seventoes: | what's that mean? |
| [00:21:47] | iamlindoro: | it means they're transmitted on the same frequency |
| [00:22:01] | Seventoes: | oh.. so i couldn't like record from comedy central and scifi at the same time? |
| [00:22:14] | iamlindoro: | only if they were on the same multiplex |
| [00:22:23] | Seventoes: | how do i find out if they are? |
| [00:22:44] | iamlindoro: | By looking at the frequency information for the channels |
| [00:22:58] | jduggan: | you want default-information originate |
| [00:22:58] | iamlindoro: | for non-PSIP channels, the whole number channel number will tell you |
| [00:23:02] | jduggan: | oops |
| [00:23:13] | iamlindoro: | 105–1, 116–3 = not on the same mux |
| [00:23:21] | iamlindoro: | 105–2, 105–11, on the same multiplex |
| [00:23:56] | jduggan: | virtual tuners work well for back to back recordings also |
| [00:24:35] | Seventoes: | thats my problem, one ending at 11:30 and another starting at the same time, different channels though |
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| [00:25:49] | Seventoes: | oh nvm the one that's conflicting is a repeat of an episode from earlier... i'm all good :P |
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| [00:28:49] | mzb: | iamlindoro, running mpeg2fixup now ... thanks. I might set it up as a user job to be automatically run on *some* recordings ;) |
| [00:29:49] | mzb: | very noisy ;) |
| [00:29:55] | iamlindoro: | mzb, I haven't looked at that in a really long time, it may or may not work for you-- but good luck all the same |
| [00:30:05] | mzb: | thanks, looks like it's working |
| [00:31:03] | mzb: | I'll pastebin it if I manage to come up with anything vaguely like an improvement (or attach it to the ticket, perhaps?) |
| [00:31:55] | iamlindoro: | mzb, my confidence in #2077 being solved is at an all time low :) |
| [00:32:35] | mzb: | really? not good |
| [00:32:50] | iamlindoro: | It's been around for years |
| [00:33:14] | mzb: | hmm |
| [00:33:24] | mzb: | I don't think the issue is going to go away |
| [00:35:14] | mzb: | I get the impression from the ticket that it's something to do with the broadcaster changing audio/video params during transmission ... right? |
| [00:35:33] | mzb: | if so, can those changes be detected? |
| [00:35:52] | mzb: | (either during recording or post-processing) |
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| [00:44:31] | mzb: | iamlindoro, out of interest, why don't you use ffmpeg to demux? |
| [00:44:46] | iamlindoro: | because on the files in question, it used to crash |
| [00:44:50] | mzb: | eg: ffmpeg -i input.mpg -vcodec copy -f mpeg2video ES_Video.m2v -acodec copy -f mp2 ES_Audio.mp2 |
| [00:44:52] | mzb: | ah |
| [00:44:56] | mzb: | hmm |
| [00:45:11] | mzb: | I wonder if that's changed |
| [00:45:32] | mzb: | hmm |
| [00:45:39] | mzb: | Commercial flagging failed for with error 9 |
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| [00:48:03] | mzb: | ah, and the file has been truncated to ~1.5 hrs |
| [00:48:48] | mzb: | ok, I'll worry about that later ... time to see if it will cut |
| [00:50:55] | mzb: | nope, something screwy going on there |
| [00:51:31] | mzb: | my fault, output file already exists ;) |
| [00:51:59] | mzb: | trying again |
| [00:53:41] | mzb: | apart from the commflag error I can't see any obvious reason why the recording would be truncated by your script |
| [00:54:01] | mzb: | maybe it wasn't as long as I thought it was ;) |
| [00:54:08] | mzb: | nope ... not transcoding |
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| [01:01:06] | mzb: | no, definitely doesn't work. I might try adding a requant during the mux |
| [01:01:22] | mzb: | ... after I've finished fixing the shower... etc/etc.. |
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| [01:24:04] | RCWiles: | good evening |
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| [01:39:08] | ** RCWiles scratches his head. perhaps it's a multiplexer table issue ** | |
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| [01:47:08] | RCWiles: | anyone here using the HDHR? |
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| [02:24:15] | RyeBrye: | People who join the chat room, ask a question, and then leave within 20 minutes after getting no answer must not know much about IRC |
| [02:24:18] | RyeBrye: | (or weekends) |
| [02:30:54] | Shadow__X: | RyeBrye: almost as if those people think they deserve and immediate answer |
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| [02:31:29] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... sometimes on a week day you can get lucky and get fast responses |
| [02:31:55] | Shadow__X: | also how you ask the question |
| [02:32:35] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. "Anyone here running MythTV with a tuner?" |
| [02:32:47] | ** RyeBrye leaves after 30 seconds no answers ** | |
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| [02:49:20] | iamlindoro: | Bah, TV is crap tonight |
| [02:50:06] | hads: | Anyone know where in the XML the selected color is defined in Terra? |
| [02:50:52] | hads: | I'm guessing one of the values in base.xml but which one I'm not sure. |
| [02:51:15] | iamlindoro: | There's a selected item for every base widget class |
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| [02:51:46] | iamlindoro: | moreover, it doesn't have to be in base.xml, it can be on the individual screen itself |
| [02:52:03] | iamlindoro: | so find the widget you are specifically looking for, and see if it inherits from a base widget |
| [02:52:07] | iamlindoro: | then change the base widget |
| [02:53:24] | hads: | Cheers, I'm hunting through video-ui at the moment. It seems in Terra most of the colors are defined in base, so it's just a matter of finding which one. |
| [02:54:18] | iamlindoro: | well, it's not defining "colors" per se |
| [02:54:43] | iamlindoro: | you define widgets, the colors can be accomplished by using images, shape widgets, font color definitions, etc. |
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| [02:55:05] | iamlindoro: | you don't just assign a selected "color," you have to use a widget in the selected state what contains that color in some way |
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| [02:55:57] | hads: | True, if it is indeed a color that's making the color rather than an image or something :) |
| [02:56:56] | hads: | Cheers. I'll keep poking around. |
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| [03:11:02] | bobbies: | has anyone ever had a problem like this? I cannot watch live TV but I can setup a recording through mythweb and it does record just fine. |
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| [03:25:31] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: seagate 1tb hard drives make me sad i think you pushed your bad life off onto me |
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| [04:09:07] | mzb: | what's the equivalent of a requant option for ffmpeg? (ie: re-encode video without loss) |
| [04:10:10] | mzb: | (for mpeg2) |
| [04:10:34] | [R]: | huh? |
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| [04:14:18] | mzb: | make that requant=1 |
| [04:14:22] | mzb: | clearer? |
| [04:14:39] | mzb: | sameq ? |
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| [04:19:18] | mzb: | trying: -vcodec mpeg2video -sameq |
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| [04:22:41] | mzb: | Shadow__X, I don't have a problem with my 3x 1tb seagates. One of the 3x 500GB seagates appears to be having problems though :| ... still, warranty is a wonderful thing ;) |
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| [04:29:24] | wagnerrp: | requant? never heard of it |
| [04:29:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode has that ability built in |
| [04:30:18] | mzb: | this is re: #2077 |
| [04:30:59] | mzb: | iamlindoro's mpeg2fixup doesn't work for me |
| [04:31:24] | mzb: | I've found that demux, then mux + requant video is required |
| [04:31:56] | mzb: | (using projectX and avidemux) |
| [04:32:07] | wagnerrp: | and you cant use mythtranscode because? |
| [04:32:15] | mzb: | #2077 |
| [04:33:06] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats the problem im having with on of my recordings... |
| [04:33:16] | wagnerrp: | an episode of house from a couple weeks ago |
| [04:33:24] | wagnerrp: | transcode just stalls |
| [04:33:27] | mzb: | I have gone to extreme efforts to eliminate all other problems |
| [04:33:57] | mzb: | ie: signal strength is 100%, ber 0, unc 0 |
| [04:34:10] | mzb: | this issue is _only_ on one transport |
| [04:34:40] | mzb: | and makes it impossible to do anything with recordings from that transport ... other than watch or delete ;) |
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| [04:35:42] | mzb: | -sameq doesn't appear to be like a requant ... requant is sufficient (and much faster) |
| [04:36:00] | mzb: | looking for a better way to mux & "requant" simultaneously |
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| [04:37:21] | mzb: | for a small recording it might not matter, but -sameq on a 5hr recording is going to be painful (at 25–28fps!) |
| [04:42:06] | mzb: | ps: the main purpose of this quest is to feed my ever-growing collection of music videos (~1500/230GB) |
| [04:42:28] | mzb: | although there are *some* movies that I'd like to cut ads from |
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| [04:46:03] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of music videos... |
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| [05:03:00] | strex: | So I installed .22 from source and now when trying to play livetv or recorded I get this: http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=c6ayy |
| [05:03:34] | strex: | suggestions greatly appericated. |
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| [05:06:40] | [R]: | looks like you dont have any video outputs enabled |
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| [05:27:19] | strex: | umm, R, i've enabled all that was possible at compile time, but xv is telling me it's disabled. but ther is no option to enable it (at compile time) plus I've verified that xvmc is loaded and works. |
| [05:27:51] | mzb: | wagnerrp, yeah, collecting for a while now ;) ... got to the point of having buttons on an RF keychain remote specifically for starting/stopping/pausing/skipping playback of them |
| [05:28:11] | mzb: | probably watch more music videos than anything else (inc. recordings) |
| [05:28:19] | mzb: | use it like a radio ;) |
| [05:28:57] | mzb: | to put the collection into perspective, I recently wrote a script to strip the audio and convert it to 44kHz |
| [05:29:18] | mzb: | the result was ~10GB of 256kbit mp3s |
| [05:30:53] | mzb: | (she went on a trip for the weekend and wanted the *current* collection on her mp3 player) |
| [05:31:17] | mzb: | mp3fs looked interesting to modify but the script was easier ;) |
| [05:33:44] | mzb: | this is all still based on: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cutting_Music_Videos |
| [05:33:52] | mzb: | but a lot more complicated script now |
| [05:34:42] | mzb: | I now have a single user script "Cut to videos" and it determines the right thing to do depending on music/documentary/movie/children ... etc |
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| [05:34:52] | mzb: | but the same principle applies |
| [05:36:57] | mzb: | scored ~5hrs of INXS last night ... don't mind a bit of INXS ;) |
| [05:37:13] | mzb: | http://www.abc.net.au/rage/archive/s2716059.htm |
| [05:41:56] | mzb: | ps: it's not all modern stuff either ... got videos ranging from 50s onwards ;) |
| [05:42:20] | mzb: | (although they probably weren't classed as "music videos" then ;)) |
| [05:42:57] | mzb: | eg: one of my favourite oldies is "House of the Rising Sun" :) |
| [05:43:10] | mzb: | interesting clip |
| [05:44:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, music videos didnt really start until the 80s |
| [05:44:22] | mzb: | absolutely |
| [05:44:35] | wagnerrp: | you had a couple 'music movies' before that, where there was a movie based around a whole album |
| [05:44:51] | wagnerrp: | but other than that, it was just the band up on stage |
| [05:45:18] | wagnerrp: | perhaps with one or more bimbos dancing |
| [05:45:21] | mzb: | so the earlier ones are usually just "live studio recordings" ... but "House of the Rising Sun" is different ... there's (SLOW) choreography ;) |
| [05:45:49] | mzb: | if you're referring to The Wall I've got some of that too ;) |
| [05:46:14] | wagnerrp: | the wall, tommy, yellow submarine |
| [05:46:21] | mzb: | kk |
| [05:46:22] | wagnerrp: | of course then there was the Monkeys garbage |
| [05:46:28] | mzb: | pfft |
| [05:46:53] | mzb: | yeah, doesn't get recorded :) |
| [05:47:31] | mzb: | I probably should put more work (back) into the metadata so I can do stuff like "50's nights" ;)) hehe |
| [05:47:46] | strex: | So I installed .22 from source and now when trying to play livetv or recorded I get this: http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=c6ayy |
| [05:48:49] | mzb: | strex, : "Not compiled with any useable video output method" doesn't sound good ... thought of starting with a current (working) release? |
| [05:48:49] | wagnerrp: | strex: post your config.ep |
| [05:49:07] | wagnerrp: | mzb: 0.22 is in RC currently |
| [05:49:14] | wagnerrp: | meaning its *supposed* to be working |
| [05:49:20] | mzb: | uhuh |
| [05:49:32] | strex: | yea wagnerrp i get ya |
| [05:49:40] | mzb: | my point remains :) |
| [05:49:47] | strex: | I can find my config.ep where? |
| [05:50:13] | wagnerrp: | 0.22-fixes/mythtv/config.ep |
| [05:52:08] | wagnerrp: | you have the binary drivers for your graphics card installed? |
| [05:52:11] | mzb: | if I want to sit on the (0.22) branch should I stop holding onto (the) trunk yet? |
| [05:52:29] | wagnerrp: | switch? |
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| [05:52:53] | wagnerrp: | oh... that was a really bad joke |
| [05:53:01] | mzb: | err ... I'm more concerned about retaining 2 years of recordings metadata ;) |
| [05:53:16] | wagnerrp: | yes, if you intend to switch to -fixes, now is a good time |
| [05:53:19] | ** mzb decides that drinking warm beer doesn't improve the quality of his humour ** | |
| [05:53:31] | wagnerrp: | likely, any time up to a few weeks after release will be a good time |
| [05:53:52] | mzb: | k, I'll wait until I can be bothered then |
| [05:54:11] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 will get released |
| [05:54:13] | mzb: | I assume that code hasn't *actually* forked/branched yet |
| [05:54:19] | strex: | wagnerrp: how much of the file do you need (it's huge) |
| [05:54:24] | wagnerrp: | the first batch of fixes will get backported into the -fixes branch |
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| [05:54:32] | mzb: | ah ... ok |
| [05:54:46] | mzb: | that explains it better (for my poor old brain), thanks |
| [05:54:51] | wagnerrp: | and a few weeks later, the devs will be all rested up and start the next round of internal changes that will break backwards compatibility |
| [05:55:11] | mzb: | yep |
| [05:55:35] | wagnerrp: | namely, further updates to the UI, migration of other core plugins over to the new UI, merging of video content into one shared structure |
| [05:55:49] | mzb: | now that I've got voice announcements (and hope to get callerid working again), I'd like to concentrate on other toys for a little while ;) |
| [05:56:16] | wagnerrp: | if you want callerid, it may be worthwhile to continue tracking trunk |
| [05:56:24] | mzb: | *sigh* ;) |
| [05:56:36] | mzb: | I've done naughty things with cepestral voices (a couple of years ago) ... |
| [05:56:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if gbee intends to backport the popup widget back to 0.22-fixes when he gets it written |
| [05:56:59] | mzb: | but among other things, "phrases" are cached ... very handy |
| [05:57:10] | mzb: | *bugger* ! |
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| [05:57:12] | mzb: | lol |
| [05:57:24] | ** mzb dreams of a ... ** | |
| [05:57:25] | wagnerrp: | stuff that will let you pop up the caller id stuff anywhere, not just during video playback |
| [05:57:48] | ** mzb changes his mind and goes back to preferring instability and constant changes ;) ** | |
| [05:58:07] | mzb: | that'd be right ... exactly what I want |
| [05:58:26] | wagnerrp: | of course be warned that the other plugins will likely be in various states of brokenness during the rewrite |
| [05:58:46] | mzb: | ok ... forget sitting on a branch (except for friend's box) ... I'll keep climbing trunk ;) |
| [05:58:47] | wagnerrp: | as will recordings and mythvideo |
| [05:59:01] | mzb: | meh ... rarely use mythvideo |
| [05:59:07] | wagnerrp: | and recordings? |
| [05:59:24] | mzb: | err ... well that might be a little tricky for WAF ;) |
| [05:59:27] | wagnerrp: | what do you use for those music videos? |
| [06:00:08] | mzb: | um ... an "empty" pls file with a custom command that fills the pls and then plays it with mplayer (or whatever) |
| [06:00:34] | wagnerrp: | just seems it would be SO much easier to manage in mythvideo |
| [06:00:50] | mzb: | random playlist? |
| [06:01:07] | mzb: | (agreed) |
| [06:01:21] | wagnerrp: | there is no 'random' playback in mythvideo |
| [06:01:21] | mzb: | however ... a remote button to turn it on/off is nice ;) |
| [06:01:34] | wagnerrp: | however there is a 'play whole directory' function |
| [06:01:40] | mzb: | well there's why I don't use it |
| [06:01:45] | mzb: | random is essential |
| [06:02:13] | mzb: | (my script shuffles the list and adds it to the playlist ... a repeats that five times) |
| [06:02:48] | mzb: | I've even changed methods of "random" over time. The initial method wasn't good enough. |
| [06:02:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, id just switch to -fixes and leave it there for now |
| [06:03:09] | mzb: | yeah, sounds like I might have to |
| [06:03:26] | wagnerrp: | theres going to be some pain with trunk in the next to months |
| [06:03:30] | mzb: | I'll have to use voice announcements instead of callerid popups ;) |
| [06:03:46] | mzb: | big changes coming, huh? |
| [06:03:47] | wagnerrp: | (aforementioned recording/mythvideo merger) |
| [06:03:57] | mzb: | ooh |
| [06:04:07] | mzb: | didn't realise it was a merger |
| [06:04:14] | wagnerrp: | well not exactly |
| [06:04:26] | mzb: | does that include media in general, or just "videos" |
| [06:04:30] | wagnerrp: | like i said, there will be an internal structure for 'video' |
| [06:04:55] | mzb: | I assume this is something to do with the recent "mythtv internal player is now the default" mindset? |
| [06:04:56] | wagnerrp: | and then recordings will add its information on top of that, mythvideo will add different information on top of that |
| [06:05:06] | mzb: | nice |
| [06:05:11] | wagnerrp: | no, not at all |
| [06:05:16] | mzb: | oh |
| [06:05:38] | mzb: | so it's *all* good ... lots of bonuses all around |
| [06:05:46] | wagnerrp: | more of a 'why maintain two different data structures, when a lot of mythvideo can be consumed by functionality already in mythtv' |
| [06:06:10] | wagnerrp: | its a general streamlining |
| [06:06:52] | mzb: | sounds like I'll have to run a trunk box for fun (or *my* personal use ... as opposed to *ours*) |
| [06:07:36] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt been decided what exactly is going to happen |
| [06:08:10] | wagnerrp: | there was discussion several months ago, but it dried up as it got pushed off to 0.23 |
| [06:08:45] | mzb: | well, having changed my mind 3 times in as many minutes I think I'd better sit my system(s) on the 0.22 branch |
| [06:09:07] | wagnerrp: | heres a proposed schema for it... http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/videofile.schema |
| [06:09:32] | mzb: | yeah, ok ... sounds like the two main things I wanted 2 years ago are eventually going to happen :) |
| [06:10:21] | mzb: | but in the interest of WAF, I'd better branch |
| [06:11:20] | mzb: | I do, however have spare tuners, drives and machines (and a socket on the splitter;) .. so I'd best make a trunk machine for the garage, methinks ;) |
| [06:11:52] | wagnerrp: | although it would be interesting if that was made a general purpose 'mediafile', instead of 'videofile' |
| [06:12:04] | mzb: | absolutely |
| [06:12:45] | mzb: | "audio only" {+ play visualisation on no video} would be great |
| [06:12:47] | wagnerrp: | but that would result in a considerably more invasive rewrite |
| [06:13:00] | mzb: | start as you mean to finish ;) |
| [06:13:59] | mzb: | the ability to shuffle through an mp3 AND video collection of music would be brilliant |
| [06:14:26] | mzb: | (and have callerid popups throughout ;))) |
| [06:15:07] | mzb: | combine this with pre/post scripts and my life is set |
| [06:15:24] | mzb: | btw, the lights dimming works really well |
| [06:16:29] | mzb: | I've got a stick-on-wireless switch that sets lights on/off/bright/dim ... *AND* (depending on the current state) locks/unlocks that state |
| [06:17:02] | mzb: | ie: so you can *lock* the lights on "medium" without playback affecting them |
| [06:17:11] | mzb: | (for the next hour;) |
| [06:17:34] | mzb: | the voice feedback is simply for debug atm ... very handy |
| [06:17:55] | mzb: | press "Lights On" ... and hear/see "Lights On" |
| [06:18:28] | mzb: | press "Lights On" again ... and hear "Lights hold" (1hr timer to revert to automatic) |
| [06:18:58] | mzb: | press "Lights On" again ... and hear "Lights automatic" (controlled by motion or tv ... tv overrides motion) |
| [06:19:07] | mzb: | complicated, but getting there |
| [06:20:01] | mzb: | (and that's only one button out of eight, on a single switch ... doesn't include motion sensors, remotes, manual switches, computers, schedules, dark sensors ...) |
| [06:20:06] | mzb: | heaps of fun ;) |
| [06:20:48] | mzb: | I'm not sure if she's even needed to press a light switch in the last few weeks |
| [06:20:53] | mzb: | she says no |
| [06:21:01] | mzb: | so I must be getting close ;) |
| [06:21:20] | mzb: | it's the "fine tuning for custom situations" that's complicated ;) |
| [06:31:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah, lighting controls are going to be rough without some extra fancy stuff |
| [06:31:25] | Dagmar: | If you've been getting high GAF I'd say you're doin' great regardless |
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| [06:37:57] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: when you wanted to move metadata grabs to the backend, what was your intent? |
| [06:39:13] | wagnerrp: | add a socket function that could call arbitrary shell commands? or add a plugin interface to the backend, and a new mythvideo-backend library add additional socket functions, and handle metadata? |
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| [06:42:59] | mzb: | Dagmar, she's not the sort to give WAF+, but lack of WAF- means it must be working ... combined with "No, I haven't had to touch a light switch" just blows me away ;) |
| [06:43:53] | mzb: | I've even combined all that with an "overcast" flag ... on the off-chance that it's a dark+horrible day and it's dark prior to dusk |
| [06:44:16] | mzb: | hard work with only 16 flags + 16 timers ;) ... I'll have to optimise later ;) |
| [06:46:45] | mzb: | to give you an idea: http://openpaste.org/en/17410/ |
| [06:46:52] | mzb: | (WIP) |
| [06:47:41] | Dagmar: | let's see if comcast can stop sucking for a few minutes |
| [06:48:00] | Dagmar: | Ah very nice |
| [06:48:01] | wagnerrp: | something worth recording at quarter till 3 am? |
| [06:48:05] | mzb: | current method of "announce" from x10 controller to mythtv is with ssh, but I think I'd prefer to use SIP/VOIP paging (autoanswer), we'll see |
| [06:48:37] | Dagmar: | I wish they would be a LITTLE more helpful to homebrewers with those things |
| [06:49:02] | Dagmar: | They just about make it easier to build your own damn computer interface |
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| [06:49:21] | mzb: | recently managed to score a RAIN8 controller in a kit (I wanted the RF transceiver) for less than the price of the receiver! So absolutely extending the use of "All House Codes" ;) |
| [06:49:44] | mzb: | (keeping in mind I'm using both 310MHz and 433Mhz sensors) |
| [06:50:13] | mzb: | original RRP for the kit was au$400! |
| [06:50:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, For now the idea is to make all basic metadata handling functions generic, ie a function to return an image, a binary, or text, and put them in libmyth so that any frontend, plugin, or the backend can call them at will |
| [06:51:43] | iamlindoro: | essentially build the framework to add metadata download to any plugin, and to have the BE download images/etc. for recording programs |
| [06:51:43] | mzb: | I've also scored a cheap CM11 which I've plugged into the mythtv FE/BE, so I'm considering the idea of using (at least) one set of "house codes" just for messaging ... not sure |
| [06:51:50] | wagnerrp: | ok, so you would just have a function to call an arbitrary shell command |
| [06:52:15] | Dagmar: | [For messaging to what tho |
| [06:52:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, not exactly |
| [06:52:24] | wagnerrp: | i assume at that point, the shell command would be in charge of inserting into the database, and downloading content as well? |
| [06:52:30] | mzb: | ooh ... speaking my language there ;) |
| [06:52:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how otherwise you would make that generic |
| [06:52:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, no |
| [06:53:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, what's not clear? You wouldn't specify a shell command, but you would specify a DB value that referred to one |
| [06:53:43] | ** mzb begins to wonder if the only WAF+ he ever gets is related to cooking food ** | |
| [06:54:30] | iamlindoro: | and no, the shell command would not handle the downloading/inserting/or anything of the sort |
| [06:54:37] | iamlindoro: | none of the commands would need to change in any way |
| [06:54:46] | mzb: | why specify a DB value *if* the only outcome is going to be the execution of a command? |
| [06:54:56] | mzb: | nm |
| [06:55:07] | iamlindoro: | they'd just pass the information back to the metadata class, which would download it and return it according to the function called |
| [06:55:34] | wagnerrp: | mzb: so you dont have a function on an freely open socket, able to execute any command on the remote host |
| [06:55:39] | ** mzb 's brain doesn't work as fast as it used to ;) ** | |
| [06:55:39] | iamlindoro: | QString MetadataStringFunction(QString dbvalue, QStringList args) |
| [06:56:06] | iamlindoro: | so you pass in the db value, and the arguments you'd like to pass to it, and the metadata class returns the text output of that query |
| [06:56:11] | wagnerrp: | ok, so it would just call the command remotely, and return the response back to the plugin |
| [06:56:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why that would be significantly different from just doing everything on the frontend |
| [06:56:34] | iamlindoro: | the response goes to the metadata class, which handles it and returns the finished product |
| [06:56:38] | mzb: | Moloko – This Time Is Now |
| [06:56:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, the point isn't to move it to the backend |
| [06:56:54] | mzb: | slowmo ... *sigh* |
| [06:57:11] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, the point is to make it generic enough that any plugin, or the frontend, or the backend can use it without reimplementing metadata handling in every spot |
| [06:57:25] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [06:57:41] | iamlindoro: | Such that you could add download of all metadata to, for example, the scheduler, in a dozen lines of code |
| [06:57:51] | iamlindoro: | or add metadata grabbing to mythgame in 30–40 lines, etc. |
| [07:00:12] | iamlindoro: | A better example would be MythUIImage MetadataImageFunction(mythvideo.FanartCommand, QStringList() << inetref) |
| [07:00:28] | iamlindoro: | pass that command, the metadata function returns a totally downloaded, ready to use image |
| [07:00:43] | iamlindoro: | rather than having to write all the download/etc. code youself |
| [07:02:03] | mzb: | ps: flag16 "dark override" should probably be called the "showoff tv dimming function" ;) |
| [07:02:23] | dustybin: | heyu mzb on |
| [07:02:47] | mzb: | hey alloff dustbin ;) |
| [07:02:54] | mzb: | hey alloff dustybin ;) |
| [07:02:58] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [07:03:01] | ** dustybin turns off ** | |
| [07:03:17] | wagnerrp: | quick, someone mute him |
| [07:03:24] | ** mzb turns on and off at the same time ** | |
| [07:03:32] | ** dustybin goes into mute mode ** | |
| [07:04:10] | mzb: | heyu xpreset mzb 32 |
| [07:04:26] | ** mzb turns slightly dim(mer) ;) ** | |
| [07:05:01] | mzb: | ah, even better: |
| [07:05:06] | mzb: | heyu kill_all_hc |
| [07:06:47] | ** wagnerrp finds this whole object-oriented thing frightening ** | |
| [07:08:01] | ** wagnerrp sees the irony in that having ended up as 'the python guy' ** | |
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| [07:12:52] | ** mzb wonders if wagnerrp is interested in his python/jabber additions (WIP) ** | |
| [07:13:08] | wagnerrp: | additions to mythtv? |
| [07:13:19] | dustybin: | mzb: how about a mythtv x10 plugin? |
| [07:13:30] | mzb: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [07:13:45] | mzb: | dustybin, um ... what are you after? :) |
| [07:13:57] | dustybin: | x10 + AV = a good mix |
| [07:14:03] | mzb: | agreed |
| [07:14:29] | mzb: | I was told to submit my patch because other things are on the way ... out of my hands now |
| [07:14:48] | ** dustybin digs out C64 BASIC and starts coding Myth X10 plugin ** | |
| [07:15:25] | mzb: | #7257 iirc |
| [07:15:32] | dustybin: | 10 REM ********** Myth X10 Plugin (C)opyleft dustybin **************** |
| [07:15:37] | mzb: | hehe |
| [07:16:24] | ** mzb gets ready to cook overn baked chips + BBQ porterhouse ... no plugins for those yet! ** | |
| [07:16:47] | wagnerrp: | aaggh |
| [07:17:02] | wagnerrp: | damned directory-less tar |
| [07:17:18] | wagnerrp: | what are those called? |
| [07:17:29] | wagnerrp: | the ones that spill their guts into the current directory |
| [07:17:46] | dustybin: | mzb: this is the kind of code what could be used with mythweb: http://domus.link.co.pt/ |
| [07:18:01] | mzb: | yes, was using it |
| [07:18:38] | dustybin: | aye me too |
| [07:19:27] | mzb: | still installed but don't find it that useful now |
| [07:19:35] | mzb: | good to start with schedules & triggers |
| [07:19:37] | dustybin: | we already have a nice zoneminder plugin, x10 is the missing link |
| [07:20:02] | mzb: | hmm ... perhaps we should have a go at that, then? |
| [07:20:16] | dustybin: | erm.. yes.. |
| [07:20:19] | mzb: | I've got a broad range of gear (so far) |
| [07:20:38] | dustybin: | i will need to learn how to code first |
| [07:21:05] | mzb: | um ... how about we feed each other ideas and work from there? |
| [07:21:18] | wagnerrp: | well, we have 'a' zoneminder plugin, i dont know if i would call it nice |
| [07:21:22] | dustybin: | OK |
| [07:21:31] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: it works well |
| [07:21:32] | mzb: | good ideas tend to generate their own code ;) |
| [07:21:50] | dustybin: | mzb: heyu will be doing all the work anyway |
| [07:21:56] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i was rather dismayed at how spartan zoneminder is |
| [07:22:00] | mzb: | totally |
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| [07:22:31] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: the plyugin or the software? |
| [07:22:39] | wagnerrp: | what software? |
| [07:22:44] | dustybin: | zm |
| [07:23:02] | wagnerrp: | its a motley assortment of binaries, some shell script glue |
| [07:23:05] | wagnerrp: | and a basic web app |
| [07:23:12] | dustybin: | 1.24.X is a lot faster and slicker than pervious versions of zm |
| [07:23:29] | dustybin: | a lot of stuff had been re-written for the 1.24.x release |
| [07:23:53] | wagnerrp: | something like that should be one monolithic executable |
| [07:24:09] | wagnerrp: | and should have some sort of communication protocol for running on multiple machines (like myth) |
| [07:24:09] | dustybin: | im not sure how things are meant to be coded |
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| [07:24:21] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [07:24:38] | ** dustybin wonders if there are any other linux cctv projects out there ** | |
| [07:25:25] | wagnerrp: | i may have a different viewpoint if i could actually get zoneminder to work with my webcams |
| [07:25:32] | wagnerrp: | but i was not at all impressed by it |
| [07:26:03] | dustybin: | ok |
| [07:26:11] | wagnerrp: | i half see zoneminder as the mythtv rewrite in 1800 lines of perl |
| [07:27:29] | mzb: | have been told to start cooking, so must go ... hmm .. except .. |
| [07:27:30] | wagnerrp: | anyone on here know their way around upnp? |
| [07:27:41] | wagnerrp: | (inner workings, not end use of) |
| [07:27:41] | [R]: | i've been trying to watch this dvd for the past 2 hours... the sound/video is all out of whack... its in 7.1 audio... and it looks like there is no stereo track... mplayer can play it in stereo though... and its synched... does anyone know what i cna do?> |
| [07:28:04] | mzb: | dustybin, can you shoot me a description of what you'd like, and how you'd expect it to work? |
| [07:28:28] | mzb: | yay! ... mzb get's handed his (lost) hat |
| [07:28:53] | mzb: | FELT, if you must know ! |
| [07:28:59] | mzb: | bbl |
| [07:29:05] | dustybin: | mzb: let me write a nice clear draft and i will msg you :) |
| [07:29:32] | hads: | I prefer 'motion' to ZM myself. |
| [07:29:44] | dustybin: | never heard of motion |
| [07:30:23] | hads: | It's a daemon which detects motion and generates events. No frontend or anything. |
| [07:30:32] | dustybin: | http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome |
| [07:30:40] | wagnerrp: | technically, zoneminder has no frontend either |
| [07:31:38] | [R]: | no one has tried a dvd with 7.1 sound? |
| [07:31:40] | GlemSom: | I don't quite understand why MythTV will ONLY support UDF ISO's? What is wrong with using regular ISO 9660 format? |
| [07:31:55] | wagnerrp: | DVDs dont have 7.1 sound |
| [07:32:04] | wagnerrp: | so yes, no one has tried one |
| [07:32:17] | [R]: | then does myth just hate this dvd? |
| [07:32:21] | [R]: | cuz it claims its 7.1 |
| [07:32:42] | hads: | motion will call scripts on motion detection and record movies or add entries to a database etc. |
| [07:32:54] | [R]: | when i go to "select audio track" |
| [07:32:56] | [R]: | it says "7ch" |
| [07:33:05] | wagnerrp: | DVDs can only have PCM, MPEG2, AC3, and DTS audio |
| [07:33:15] | [R]: | "English AC3 7ch" |
| [07:33:17] | wagnerrp: | the former, limited to 2.0 |
| [07:33:21] | wagnerrp: | the latter limited to 5.1 |
| [07:34:40] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'Surround EX' which allows receivers to split a 5.1 mix out to 7.1 |
| [07:34:54] | [R]: | why does myth claim its "AC3 7ch" |
| [07:35:03] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [07:36:38] | [R]: | well maybe i'll make a backup of this dvd and look into it one day |
| [07:36:44] | [R]: | but i just want to frekain watch the stupid thing right now |
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| [07:55:18] | mzb: | hads: with x10 motion detectors I'm considering that I don't need the software to spend all it's time trying to detect it (anymore;) |
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| [08:06:01] | hads: | mzb: Depends what you want to do though i.e. fire off a script to upload a capture offsite etc. |
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| [08:39:40] | SteveHill: | This may be the wrong group, but I did something that broke my mythtv frontend from playing recordings under ubuntu jaunty. |
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| [08:40:10] | SteveHill: | Can anyone help me with a troubleshooting scheme? |
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| [08:54:45] | stoffel: | SteveHill: just tell us about your problem. if someone can help he will answer |
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| [10:25:35] | mzb: | hads, yep, an x10 trigger should be good enough for that |
| [10:26:04] | mzb: | assuming the x10 device _and_ the cam device still have power |
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| [11:32:42] | dustybin: | how can one optimize and speed up mythconverg ? |
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| [11:52:18] | oobe: | dustybin, im sure devs already do there best to make the db clean and fast |
| [11:54:14] | justinh: | there's a script called optimize_mythdb.pl or something |
| [11:55:56] | oobe: | yeah true |
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| [11:56:48] | oobe: | i was thinking he already heard of that plus im not entirely sure what it does |
| [11:58:06] | dustybin: | Horizon is back UK people! set your myth boxes to record this coming Tuesday BBC2 9pm :D |
| [11:58:19] | justinh: | well if he was taking a snipe at the devs for sloppy db arrangement he needs a slap |
| [11:59:17] | jduggan: | hmmmmmm |
| [11:59:23] | oobe: | i dont think he was im just saying if there already doing there best what can i do or him |
| [11:59:46] | jduggan: | just noticed ive been getting duplicates of match of the day |
| [12:00:16] | jduggan: | titles the same, description has a 'followed by national lottery update' on the saturday night show, is there any way to filter that? |
| [12:01:20] | jduggan: | its not marked as a repeat |
| [12:01:33] | jduggan: | (the sunday morning show) |
| [12:03:17] | oobe: | unless you set you rules to record one showing only or the guide data differs in one way then no |
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| [12:03:54] | oobe: | there is a show i record that has identical descriptions but the episodes differ and i had to tell it to record anyway |
| [12:05:05] | jduggan: | yea its no biggie to delete |
| [12:05:09] | jduggan: | its better than missing an episode |
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| [12:05:10] | jduggan: | :P |
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| [12:10:23] | dustybin: | when i do a channel scan myth detects a hidden channel with a serial number: |
| [12:10:28] | dustybin: | 12866 |
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| [12:12:12] | justinh: | ITV2 |
| [12:12:31] | dustybin: | ITV2 was already detected |
| [12:12:32] | Mike is now known as Guest26660 | |
| [12:12:47] | jduggan: | Five ? |
| [12:12:53] | dustybin: | five already detected |
| [12:13:12] | justinh: | there are two |
| [12:13:16] | justinh: | one works. one doesn't |
| [12:13:16] | dustybin: | oh |
| [12:13:43] | dustybin: | im back to using xmltv, EIT has been bombing my backend out lately |
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| [12:16:00] | Guest26660: | Has anyone upgraded to 0.22 and had problems with the front-end not starting? |
| [12:16:36] | Guest26660: | I'm Mike BTW, not sure why name got changed... |
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| [12:16:49] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [12:16:55] | Guest26660 is now known as Mike | |
| [12:16:57] | jduggan: | because the nick is registered and you didnt identify |
| [12:16:58] | oobe: | Guest26660, this is most likely caused by leaving .21 themes |
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| [12:17:17] | oobe: | delete your .21 themes folder or move it then install .22 themes again |
| [12:17:25] | Mike is now known as Guest81417 | |
| [12:17:36] | jduggan: | or try -O Theme=terra |
| [12:17:47] | Guest81417: | Thanks Duggan. I did delete the themese folder and then upgraded themes. |
| [12:17:58] | oobe: | yeah that will work as a test |
| [12:18:13] | jduggan: | thats no problem, 81417 |
| [12:18:48] | gbee: | -O theme=Terra |
| [12:18:52] | gbee: | case sensitive |
| [12:19:21] | Guest81417: | Let me try that again and see what happens. Afraid that I've made so many updates now that I may have to wipe it. The back-end is now giving me errors with my login. Thanks guys. |
| [12:19:32] | gbee: | -O Theme=Terra |
| [12:19:34] | oobe: | dustybin, unless you missing a specific channel i would ignore the hidden channel |
| [12:19:53] | gbee: | like I said, case sensitive ;) |
| [12:20:28] | jduggan: | hmmm |
| [12:20:29] | jduggan: | in that case |
| [12:20:33] | jduggan: | the wiki needs changing |
| [12:20:53] | jduggan: | the example to override a theme is -O Theme=lowercase |
| [12:21:08] | jduggan: | or, you mean the theme name itself |
| [12:21:12] | jduggan: | rather than the override option |
| [12:21:15] | oobe: | i just tested -O Theme=terra and it works |
| [12:21:15] | justinh: | the theme name |
| [12:21:18] | justinh: | or both |
| [12:21:23] | oobe: | so does -O theme=terra |
| [12:21:33] | jduggan: | try -O theme=Terra |
| [12:21:35] | gbee: | -O Theme=Terra |
| [12:21:40] | gbee: | CASE SENSITIVE |
| [12:22:28] | jduggan: | =terra works here |
| [12:22:32] | jduggan: | but Theme is sensitive |
| [12:22:51] | gbee: | shouldn't, it probably appears to work because Terra is the default |
| [12:24:16] | justinh: | has to be spelled right too :P |
| [12:24:18] | jduggan: | ah |
| [12:24:23] | jduggan: | yea it was falling back to default |
| [12:24:27] | jduggan: | just tested with another theme |
| [12:24:34] | jduggan: | i stand corrected =] |
| [12:24:55] | oobe: | gbee, yea you are right i just tried specifying somthing else with incorrect case and it loaded terra too |
| [12:25:42] | Guest81417: | Did not work for me. |
| [12:25:48] | gbee: | reason is that the setting specifies the folder of the theme, not it's name |
| [12:25:53] | Guest81417: | Got this error: error while loading shared libraries: libraw1394.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [12:26:16] | Guest81417: | Checked package manager and it is installed. Reinstalled to no avail. |
| [12:26:59] | laga: | Guest81417: what distro are you using? |
| [12:28:47] | Guest81417: | Started: Mythbuntu 9.04, Myth 0.21. Updated MythTv to 0.22 from MythTv site files. Have since updated Ubuntu to 9.1 latest available. Using Jean-Yves repositories now. |
| [12:29:21] | laga: | if you have trouble using jean-yves' repository, please go complain to him directly |
| [12:29:43] | laga: | he's here as jya |
| [12:30:05] | Guest81417: | No thaving problems with them. They are what got the computer back to working. Only MythTV is problematic thanks. |
| [12:30:43] | oobe: | you cant upgrade from jya's repo to .22 |
| [12:30:54] | oobe: | cause the version numbers dont match |
| [12:31:17] | Guest81417: | Thanks that answers my question. Guess I should have checked here first. Thanks guys. |
| [12:31:27] | ** laga blinks ** | |
| [12:31:29] | oobe: | check your frontend and backend binaries are .22 |
| [12:31:39] | oobe: | mythfrontend --version etc. |
| [12:32:37] | oobe: | Guest81417, ls -lt /var/backups to see if you have recent db backups of .21 |
| [12:32:50] | gbee: | jya's packages aren't reporting --version correctly |
| [12:34:15] | oobe: | if you do i would consider purging all mythtv packages then restoring then installing myth from the weekly builds then upgrading using dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos |
| [12:35:03] | oobe: | also make sure you get the newest deb of mythbuntu-repos from the auto builds page on the mythbuntu site |
| [12:36:04] | Guest81417: | Yes, I have my backups. I will try this ans see what happens. Thanks again for the help. |
| [12:38:05] | Guest81417: | BTW, before I go, just noticed something. I did not upgrade FROM JYA's rep to .22: started from 0.21 and his repositories were the last I used after everything started breaking. System is now stable just this porb with Myth. Will try your rec's. Thanks again. |
| [12:38:39] | oobe: | np |
| [12:40:34] | oobe: | but his repos are .21 |
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| [12:41:58] | tommck: | anyone in here know why I can't just tell XOrg to give me "generic" 1080i? My $20 DVD player can work with my TV fine. Why does it take an astrophysics degree to get XOrg to work with it? :) |
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| [12:43:23] | gbee: | probably because you've read a 5–10 year old howto and are using a distro with no proper GUI configuration tools |
| [12:43:41] | tommck: | hehe.. I'm using ubuntu Jaunty.. |
| [12:44:01] | gbee: | heh, I was right |
| [12:44:04] | tommck: | problem is that my monitor (TV) doesn't give proper EDID info.. so it has to be ignored |
| [12:44:36] | tommck: | I might swap out the video card with another I've got lying around... might have better luck... |
| [12:44:44] | gbee: | just select a resolution of 1920x1080 in whatever setup tools Ubuntu offers, end of story |
| [12:44:56] | gbee: | you don't want to be manually editing the xorg config |
| [12:45:06] | tommck: | I don't even get a text screen |
| [12:45:11] | jduggan: | it doesnt offer a mdoe thats not provided by edid |
| [12:45:13] | tommck: | my TV just gets a "no signal" |
| [12:45:16] | jduggan: | which is his problem |
| [12:45:30] | jduggan: | i have the same problem with intel driver |
| [12:45:35] | jduggan: | i couldnt get a working modeline |
| [12:45:47] | jduggan: | even though nvidia-settings can get a modeline working just fine |
| [12:45:55] | gbee: | tommck: are you should EDID is wrong? Seems unlikely to be honest |
| [12:46:00] | jduggan: | so i bought a cheap nvidia card |
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| [12:46:10] | jduggan: | gbee: EDID is frequently wrong |
| [12:46:52] | jduggan: | they'll edid burned into a prom can get distributed in all sorts of models of the same brand |
| [12:46:59] | jduggan: | s/they'll/the/ |
| [12:47:21] | tommck: | gbee: I know it's wrong... OLD TV that _claims_ it only does 640x480, but I've been doing 1080i on it for 6 years |
| [12:47:36] | tommck: | I just decided to upgrade to jaunty and the old xorg doesn't work now.. .grrr |
| [12:47:37] | gbee: | fair enough |
| [12:47:50] | tommck: | the card's an FX 5200 |
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| [12:48:02] | brad2: | morning gang |
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| [12:48:23] | tommck: | do ATI cards work well now? Back when I started using Myth, ATI cards were a no-no |
| [12:48:42] | tommck: | crap.. brb... |
| [12:49:00] | gbee: | just in my experience a lot of people think that the EDID is wrong, when it's actually correct (e.g. insisting that a 720p set should accept a 1280x720 modeline instead of the correct 1366x768) |
| [12:49:50] | jduggan: | my tv only returned two modelines from edid, 1920*540 and 540*something |
| [12:49:55] | gbee: | or even stranger, trying to force 1080 on an SD CRT (no really) |
| [12:49:59] | jduggan: | both were wack modelines and the tv didnt even display them |
| [12:51:34] | gbee: | or they've got an HD tv which is fully capable of 1920x1080 with _digital_ inputs, but something entirely different with the VGA input (hence why I'd always recommend using HDMI over VGA) |
| [12:51:42] | jduggan: | my tv is an old 1080i/720p probably 5/6years old, its got a vga port which only does 1024x768 which the tv stretched into widescreen |
| [12:52:10] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:52:14] | jduggan: | thats a common mistake |
| [12:53:05] | tommck: | back |
| [12:53:40] | tommck: | well, mine can only do 1080i and 480i... but it doesn't send back anything useful to the machine at all |
| [12:53:53] | tommck: | so, what's the verdict on ATI Radeon boards nowadays |
| [12:53:55] | tommck: | ? |
| [12:53:57] | jduggan: | my experience with nvidia-settings has been very good |
| [12:54:14] | tommck: | jduggan: I get NO UI... can't run that app |
| [12:54:24] | gbee: | mostly there is a burnt-in impression that you need to use custom modelines to get a monitor/TV working correctly, which was probably true 7/8 years ago, but for many it's simply not the case |
| [12:54:27] | jduggan: | tommck: vnc |
| [12:54:51] | tommck: | jduggan: I ssh'd into the machine... nvidia-settings doesn't help me though |
| [12:54:51] | jduggan: | tommck: X probably still started and you can vnc into the box and get your desktop |
| [12:55:00] | tommck: | jduggan: no.. X failed to start |
| [12:55:05] | jduggan: | oh, interesting |
| [12:55:18] | gbee: | e.g. in the wiki you'll find a tonne of modelines for Sony Bravia TVs ... sets that I know from experience report correct and optimum modes via EDID |
| [12:55:47] | tommck: | gbee: I know... I've done all this before... took me a week to get it working... now, the old xorg.conf that worked for 6 years no longer works |
| [12:55:55] | jduggan: | gbee: yea modern sets dont have as many problems as my 6 year old toshiba |
| [12:55:57] | jduggan: | ;P |
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| [12:56:29] | tommck: | this is a first generation rear projection HDTV – no DVI, no HDMI, just Component and VGA |
| [12:57:52] | tommck: | nobody's got an opinion on ATI cards? |
| [12:57:54] | jduggan: | the easy solution isnt the cheap solution |
| [12:58:03] | jduggan: | get a newer tv :) |
| [12:58:18] | jduggan: | tommck: ATI is like marmite |
| [12:58:18] | tommck: | yeah... I would.. but... I have a wife :) |
| [12:58:20] | brad2: | does anyone know if you can change playback profiles on the fly with a key? Or do you always have to go back into setup? |
| [12:58:23] | tommck: | define: marmite |
| [12:58:33] | jduggan: | tommck: you either love it or hate it |
| [12:58:48] | tommck: | jduggan: why would you love or hate it? |
| [12:58:50] | jduggan: | tommck: but nvidia at this stage is much better |
| [12:59:18] | gbee: | tommck: just making general observations for the benefit of all users who care to listen at this point :) It's a little like trying to turn a cruise ship in a Fjord, everyone here thinks they know what they know and no-one is going to convince them they've got it wrong |
| [12:59:33] | jduggan: | there are success stories with ati but way more with nvidia and it offers vdpau right now |
| [12:59:52] | jduggan: | but if you like ati then go for ati ;P |
| [12:59:52] | tommck: | well, I have a stack of nVidia cards... 7600GS w/ 512MB , FX 5200 w/ 128MB, EN6600 w/ 256MB, .. |
| [13:00:09] | gbee: | yes, you and jduggan are an exception to the rule and there are probably many others |
| [13:00:20] | tommck: | gbee: yeah, I understand.. but I'm a pretty thorough obsessive geek :) |
| [13:00:34] | tommck: | any reasons to choose one of those cards over another? |
| [13:01:19] | gbee: | I liked my ati card and it did a brilliant job on my HD frontend, but in the end vdpau swayed the decision in Nvidia's favour |
| [13:01:25] | jduggan: | tommck: all of those cards are older generation so you probably wont benefit |
| [13:01:32] | jduggan: | by chosing that over an ati |
| [13:01:33] | jduggan: | =] |
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| [13:02:35] | tommck: | jduggan: I also have an ATI X1300 w/ 256mb |
| [13:02:53] | tommck: | it's an AGP motherboard, so I'm a bit limited... I also have this stack of AGP boards, so... |
| [13:03:26] | gbee: | you still need a recent generation ATI card for official support (binary driver), otherwise you are stuck with the OSS drivers which are decent-ish but probably won't ever support ATI's version of VDPAU (the official driver doesn't yet, but may in the future) |
| [13:03:55] | tommck: | is there anything I can buy that's AGP and "nice" on the nvidia side? |
| [13:04:16] | gbee: | give the ATI card a try, you've already got it so why not? |
| [13:04:37] | gbee: | is anyone making AGP cards anymore? |
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| [13:05:52] | ** tommck just found an additional 7600GS, and an ati radeon 9600 xt w/ 128mb ** | |
| [13:06:17] | tommck: | I think I'm gonna drop in the 7600GS first... might have better luck.. who knows? |
| [13:08:21] | tommck: | I wish I could replace this TV, but it doesn't seem right to replace a 65" HDTV |
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| [13:09:15] | resno_: | good morning/afternoon/night, depending on where you are. |
| [13:10:22] | ** tommck scratches his head... dropping in the 7600gs stops the boot process somewhere (no UI and no ping response kinda makes it hard to diagnose...) ** | |
| [13:10:41] | jduggan: | tommck: you dont have a generic monitor to test? |
| [13:11:52] | tommck: | jduggan: I do, but I'm lazy :) |
| [13:12:32] | tommck: | jduggan: how does that help me get the TV to work though? |
| [13:14:31] | jduggan: | do any of these cards have dual output? |
| [13:15:15] | tommck: | jduggan: DVI/VGA/Svideo? or dual-head (vga + vga)? |
| [13:16:01] | tommck: | I still find if funny that a $20 DVD player just works in 1080i |
| [13:20:42] | gbee: | tommck: how is the DVD player connected vs the PC? $20 DVD player is also designed for just one thing, connection to a DVD – PC on the other hand, especially using older graphics hardware ... |
| [13:21:02] | tommck: | It's not... but... why isn't there a "just give me NORMAL 1080i" setting? |
| [13:21:17] | gbee: | whoops ... connection to a TV, not DVD |
| [13:21:39] | tommck: | I understand, but, if the signal is THAT standard, then why the hell is there any issue at ALL about mode lines? |
| [13:21:52] | gbee: | tommck: because old graphics cards don't know what that means? It's not a mode offered by a monitor ... |
| [13:22:10] | gbee: | TV != monitor |
| [13:22:29] | tommck: | gbee: how are TVs and monitors different to you? |
| [13:23:02] | tommck: | gbee: obviously, there's a standard range of signals... if the DVD player can just output it, how is there not a standard VESA mode spit out by the nvidia driver that is just "standard 1080i" mode that just works? |
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| [13:23:44] | gbee: | because older hardware never expected to be connected to a TV, 1080i is a TV standard not a VESA one |
| [13:24:35] | tommck: | gbee – ok... and, how hard is it to take a graphics card, which FAR surpasses TV resolution capability, and define a single mode that emulates that VERY standard signal?? |
| [13:25:01] | gbee: | in fact it's not a resolution that was very interesting to anyone but those in TV, 1920x1080? It's not a standard 16:10 or 4:3 aspect ratio used by monitors |
| [13:25:18] | gbee: | tommck: it's not – buy something made in the last 3 years |
| [13:25:20] | laga: | tommck just discovered modelines. ;) |
| [13:25:36] | gbee: | modern cards, especially connected using HDMI don't have these sorts of problems because they now expect to be connected to TVs |
| [13:25:43] | tommck: | laga: huh? I've known about them forever, but I just think it's asinine that we have to step down to it |
| [13:25:50] | tommck: | gbee: you're not getting the point |
| [13:26:09] | laga: | nvidia does have a modeline pool which AFAIK comes with 1080i modelines |
| [13:26:15] | ** tommck LOVES the solution of "just buy something new" ** | |
| [13:26:48] | jduggan: | tommck: the point is that your hardware is old, when they were manufacturered it was a fairly new concept of connecting your tv to your PC and thus they simply doesnt support the standards (modelines) of TVs |
| [13:26:58] | jduggan: | s/doesnt/dont/ |
| [13:27:16] | tommck: | jduggan: and, the drivers are NOT that old... and the standard is older than BOTH pieces of hardware.. so where's the problem? |
| [13:27:28] | laga: | i think the problem is in you bitching |
| [13:27:36] | gbee: | especially not HD tvs, Nvidia has offered SD standard modelines for a while now, as simple as defining whether you were using PAL or NTSC |
| [13:27:42] | tommck: | ahh.. it's gang up on the one person who complains about something time... fun |
| [13:28:02] | jduggan: | tommck: if you know of another reason they dont work, feel free to let me know |
| [13:28:36] | gbee: | tommck: who are you complaining to? We can't change what Nvidia are doing now or have done with hardware in the past? |
| [13:28:37] | tommck: | jduggan: why is it so simple for the manufacturer of a DVD player to make it work with my horribly old equipment? |
| [13:28:48] | gbee: | standards |
| [13:28:59] | laga: | if it doesn't work, then it is because it does not know the modeline. maybe you have to force it. usually it boils down to the TV not giving out correct EDID. which is usually solved by byuing a newer TV which has proper EDID support or simply forcing a modeline |
| [13:29:04] | tommck: | gbee: I know, but you're acting like it's a rational situation... we have a ferrari that can't be driven to the corner store for milke |
| [13:29:10] | jduggan: | tommck: your DVD player expects to be connected to a TV and thus has a modeline database matching the TV |
| [13:29:17] | laga: | tldr; your TV is a piece of shit and your monitor fucked up the EDID. the video card is not to blame. |
| [13:29:21] | tommck: | laga: my DVD player doesn't need EDID |
| [13:29:40] | gbee: | tommck: the problem is your insistence of seeing a monitor and a TV as the same thing, they're not |
| [13:29:43] | tommck: | jduggan: my EXACT point! Where's the STANDARD modeline database that just WORKS? |
| [13:29:45] | laga: | yes, because it will output a compatible mode by default |
| [13:29:50] | tommck: | gbee: how are they different? |
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| [13:30:04] | gbee: | different standards .... |
| [13:30:15] | gbee: | we're going round in circles now |
| [13:30:31] | ** gbee gets off the carousel to do something productive ** | |
| [13:30:49] | tommck: | a Video card not being able to just work with a TV is the same as a missle that can't kill a single human being... it's stupid |
| [13:31:21] | tommck: | this is an Xorg/driver issue, since this works in .. other operating systems with much less tweaking, of course |
| [13:33:10] | tommck: | of course, the best solution here is that I should spend thousands of dollars... nope.. .nothing to complain about here... I must be an ass, since I don't think it's OK that this doesn't work out of the box... stupid, ignorant me should just get out the credit card... |
| [13:34:12] | gbee: | Modes "1920x1080" |
| [13:34:28] | gbee: | if that doesn't work then contact nvidia's support |
| [13:34:53] | jduggan: | tommck: the other problem is youre ranting at us and we have no control over these vendors infact we're in the same boat as you and the only solution is to buy new :) |
| [13:35:32] | tommck: | jduggan: I only ranted at you guys because you act like it makes sense... it doesn't. It's actually laughable that it doesn't work out of the box.. |
| [13:35:50] | gbee: | literally the only addition you _should_ need is the above line in the xorg config |
| [13:37:04] | tommck: | I have Modes "1920x1080" "720x480" "640x480" and I get nothing... oh well.. I'll go figure it out myself |
| [13:37:07] | gbee: | tommck: it can't work out of the box if the EDID is broken, which you are saying that it is (you haven't mentioned how the DVD player is connected, but I assume it's not by the same input type as the PC, so it's probably getting valid edid) |
| [13:37:24] | tommck: | gbee: it is the same exact input |
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| [13:37:32] | gbee: | which is what? HDMI? |
| [13:37:35] | tommck: | component |
| [13:37:42] | tommck: | the TV doesn't support HDMI |
| [13:38:44] | tommck: | that's why I find it so unreal... the DVD player gets no info either, but just spits out the signal... I just wish it was that simple with the much more powerful video card |
| [13:39:10] | gbee: | right, then even more than before, simply using "Modes '1920x1080"' should work, that uses the built-in modeline found in current nvidia drivers |
| [13:39:48] | tommck: | yeah... I think I will contact nvidia to ask them what the deal is.. maybe they'll have a suggestion, though it'll probably take forever |
| [13:42:53] | gbee: | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_6 . . . pter-19.html |
| [13:43:26] | tmkt: | justinh: around? |
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| [13:59:39] | dustybin: | does the 'use on air guide' tick mean use EIT for that channel? |
| [13:59:46] | dustybin: | on mythweb |
| [14:00:17] | gbee: | yes |
| [14:00:29] | dustybin: | one needs to be careful, making sure that XMLTV channels have use on air guide unticked, otherwise one will get database problems |
| [14:00:43] | dustybin: | like i just experienced.. |
| [14:01:28] | dustybin: | i want to use EIT for radio listings + XMLTV for TV listings |
| [14:02:17] | dustybin: | am i right in thinking that 'use on air guide' will not work unless you have ticked [] Perform EIT scan in the video source setup? |
| [14:05:25] | dustybin: | 'if this is enabled the data in this source will be updated with listing data provided by the channels themselves 'over-the-air' |
| [14:06:32] | dustybin: | lets try it |
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| [14:12:04] | dustybin: | a lot of mythtv settings require things to be done in a exact order or they wont work! |
| [14:15:13] | dustybin: | nope it doesnt work: |
| [14:15:14] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/49410/plain/49410 |
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| [14:33:16] | jduggan: | undefined symbol: vdp_device_create_x11, any dev care to explain to me what might trigger that |
| [14:33:40] | jduggan: | what lib is the symbol from |
| [14:34:36] | jduggan: | vdpau? |
| [14:34:52] | jduggan: | hrmz, i dont even have a playback profile that uses vdpau |
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| [14:41:30] | jduggan: | mythbuntu problem really – but in any case, im setting the decoded and renderers, but when i playback its resetting it, what causes that? |
| [14:41:39] | jduggan: | s/decoded/decoder/ |
| [14:42:50] | dustybin: | when mixing xmltv and EIT should one setup 2 video sources for each ? |
| [14:45:13] | oobe: | tommck, is you tv even capable of 1080 since it doesnt have hdmi i think its possible |
| [14:46:07] | Hodapp: | well, 1080 over component or VGA can be done |
| [14:46:20] | jduggan: | dustybin: youd need two video sources |
| [14:46:36] | dustybin: | right ace |
| [14:49:01] | oobe: | yea im sure it can |
| [14:49:24] | oobe: | but really how many native 1080 tv's dont have hdmi? |
| [14:50:42] | gbee: | early adopters were bitten (as usual) |
| [14:54:30] | tommck: | oobe: yeah, it's a 1080i TV... |
| [14:55:04] | tommck: | also, I actually got it working again... somehow, installing the nvidia driver using Envy worked, even though it's the same driver version (supposedly) |
| [15:07:36] | oobe: | ok nice |
| [15:08:17] | dustybin: | jduggan: it worked!!! thanks for your help :) |
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| [15:20:40] | tarvid: | For myself, I am happy to build my own boxes but I am looking for appliances to recommend to others |
| [15:21:09] | gbee: | ok, this is seriously strange, two of my machines have suddenly lost the ability to read SD cards, they just don't see them yet they are running two different distros and the cards themselves work fine in the camera(s) |
| [15:22:03] | dustybin: | gbee: mounting using vfat? |
| [15:22:23] | tarvid: | Which platform? On Linux you can watch syslof as the cards are inserted |
| [15:22:24] | wagnerrp: | they dont show up... no device node to mount |
| [15:22:39] | gbee: | no seeing them at all, it's not a question of mounting them |
| [15:22:49] | dustybin: | gbee: check dmesg when you insert one |
| [15:22:58] | gbee: | *sigh* |
| [15:23:00] | wombo: | where they unmounted correctly the previous time? |
| [15:23:14] | wagnerrp: | they dont show up |
| [15:23:17] | wombo: | windows handles that fine, but linux seems picky |
| [15:23:19] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with mouting |
| [15:23:25] | wagnerrp: | no dev nodes |
| [15:23:26] | wombo: | ahh |
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| [15:23:36] | tarvid: | have you tried reboot and power bounce? |
| [15:23:58] | ** iamlindoro suspects gbee suddenly realizes this was the wrong place to air his problem ** | |
| [15:24:08] | gbee: | aye ;) |
| [15:24:33] | tarvid: | Undoubtedly a hal/dbus issue |
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| [15:26:21] | gbee: | kernel |
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| [15:27:21] | tarvid: | yes but dynamic which is indicated by fact they used to work |
| [15:27:28] | wagnerrp: | think the UPNP stuff in the perl bindings *ever* gets used? |
| [15:27:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, nope :) |
| [15:28:39] | iamlindoro: | Think the bindings as a whole are underused |
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| [15:28:47] | iamlindoro: | hopefully at elast on the python side that's going to change now |
| [15:28:52] | wagnerrp: | well im just thinking of that case for autoconfiguration of livecds, like the ubuntu guys wanted |
| [15:29:02] | gbee: | or not kernel, it works in a laptop using 2.6.29, but not in either my netbook running Ubuntu w/ 2.6.28 or my desktop running Mandriva w/ 2.6.29 |
| [15:29:05] | gbee: | very strange |
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| [15:29:21] | wagnerrp: | if UPNP would be useful, or if it wouldnt really matter because you still have to give it a pin |
| [15:29:23] | ** gbee wonders who sabotaged his SD card slots ** | |
| [15:30:29] | gbee: | heh, and it does work in the netbook when I use a sub card adapter, just reinforcing the theory that something strange is going on |
| [15:30:35] | dustybin: | #mythtv-users 'the home of witty banter' |
| [15:30:38] | tarvid: | have you looked in a mirror lately? |
| [15:30:43] | gbee: | same adapter fails with the desktop |
| [15:31:19] | wagnerrp: | just wondering, because i found some python UPNP tool |
| [15:31:21] | tarvid: | paste the syslog/dmesg entries when you insert the card, and lsusb -vvv |
| [15:31:32] | wagnerrp: | which i could probably cannibalize in an hour or two |
| [15:32:06] | gbee: | tarvid: I'm not an idiot or newbie, there are NO entires in the logs, the machines just aren't seeing anything happen |
| [15:33:47] | gbee: | iamlindoro was right, this was entirely the wrong place to mention it, not because it's OT but because everyone assumes you don't have a clue ;) |
| [15:33:50] | tarvid: | then you have a hardware problem. I have seen usb ports, ethernet ports etc. go away |
| [15:34:15] | tarvid: | a reboot/bounce is usually effective |
| [15:34:35] | gbee: | jeeze, feel like I've just walked into PC World and asked for advice |
| [15:35:06] | tarvid: | you have defined the problem as insolvable |
| [15:35:36] | gbee: | now your catching up ;) |
| [15:36:09] | tarvid: | in which case no one can help you |
| [15:36:15] | dustybin: | gbee: try it on another machine |
| [15:36:15] | gbee: | I didn't mention it because I needed help, it was just an anecdote, stream of conciousness etc |
| [15:36:54] | tarvid: | Words without thought do not heaven go. – Hamlet |
| [15:37:02] | gbee: | dustybin: you're so far behind it's probably 2008 right now? |
| [15:37:10] | dustybin: | eeek |
| [15:37:28] | jduggan: | lolol |
| [15:38:38] | justinh: | wow. never seen hamlet quoted in here. you must be really smart |
| [15:38:47] | gbee: | might just have to stop hanging out in -users, it's almost as bad as the -users mailing list |
| [15:39:05] | justinh: | did you try turning it off & back on again? :P |
| [15:39:06] | sid3windr: | justinh: to myth or not to myth, that is the question |
| [15:39:13] | tarvid: | so I'll report my previous question – any recommendation on a MythTV appliance |
| [15:39:27] | justinh: | tarvid: no such thing IMHO. next |
| [15:39:45] | justinh: | people sell ready-made myth boxes but none are pre-configured |
| [15:39:52] | tarvid: | That might be a recommendation for Apple TV |
| [15:40:01] | gbee: | justinh: ohh ... why didn't I think of that? :p |
| [15:40:28] | iamlindoro: | NO APPLE TV BAD BAD TOUCH BAD TOUCH |
| [15:40:31] | justinh: | maybe. if the question was "I'd like an overpriced underpowered white toy for playing SDTV" |
| [15:40:40] | gbee: | justinh: iirc the guy in NZ pre-configures for his customers, at least with sensible defaults for that locale |
| [15:41:08] | tarvid: | Competing with a $100 tab for DirecTV |
| [15:41:13] | tarvid: | per month |
| [15:41:26] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is not a cost saving measure |
| [15:41:50] | sid3windr: | hahaha |
| [15:41:52] | sid3windr: | you can say that again |
| [15:41:56] | tarvid: | Another recommendation for Miro on a Dell Studio 17 |
| [15:42:01] | sid3windr: | the hardware i've bought since switching to myth |
| [15:42:04] | gbee: | but it can be, in the extreme longterm |
| [15:42:05] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [15:42:21] | gbee: | we'd just not recommend it as such |
| [15:42:27] | tmkt: | it is for me..with ota...saving 80/month and tv is bareable |
| [15:42:32] | jblack: | myth can certainly be a cost saving measure. just takes restraint |
| [15:42:40] | jduggan: | hrm |
| [15:42:42] | justinh: | yeah but OTA DVRs are surely available |
| [15:42:43] | jduggan: | well thats funny |
| [15:42:50] | jduggan: | i find getting a decent myth setup expensive =] |
| [15:42:53] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:43:11] | iamlindoro: | indeed, I amend my previous statement-- myth can be a cost saving measure if you have no standards |
| [15:43:19] | justinh: | in all I'#ve spent about the same as 4 top-end freeview DVRs |
| [15:43:39] | ** iamlindoro waits for someone to tell him he has no idea what he's talking about and to try rebooting the box ** | |
| [15:43:46] | jduggan: | heh |
| [15:43:47] | jblack: | imlindoro: there is no need to be insulting |
| [15:43:58] | Hodapp: | iamlindoro: You have no idea what you're talking about. Try rebooting the box. |
| [15:44:09] | jduggan: | well i saw that coming |
| [15:44:11] | jduggan: | =] |
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| [15:44:32] | Hodapp: | iamlindoro: Er, wait, I made a mistake. I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| [15:44:37] | justinh: | I've had all the 'top end' DVRs for freeview now. Every last one of them suck because they lack TWO very simple featrues |
| [15:44:40] | justinh: | *features |
| [15:44:51] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, nobody is insulting you-- you have it right-- if you can buy adequate hardware ONCE and then wait a very, very long time, then you can save money in the long run |
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| [15:45:05] | tarvid: | and those are? |
| [15:45:14] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, Regrettably 99.99% percent of people trying to make it a cost saving measure underbuy, and then buy again... and again... |
| [15:45:21] | jduggan: | iamlindoro: i believe that was aimed at jblack? :) |
| [15:45:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [15:45:30] | justinh: | arbitrary time skipping & a half-decent UI |
| [15:45:50] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [15:45:54] | sid3windr: | you hurt his feelings! |
| [15:46:16] | tarvid: | what's wrong with fisher-price UIs? |
| [15:46:23] | justinh: | they look like ass |
| [15:46:56] | tarvid: | true – these boxes are for waiting rooms and staff lounges |
| [15:47:02] | tarvid: | they might be suitable |
| [15:47:16] | gbee: | IMHO it's possible to save money with myth, my setup combines HD DVB-S + DVB-T DVR, with a full media centre in a single box – as a single off the shelf product that doesn't exist and as separate components it would consume 4–5x the same and cost a little more |
| [15:47:33] | justinh: | no, they just look loke crap. |
| [15:48:20] | justinh: | I mean graphics look like they were done by a 5 year old, colours picked by a blind fool... |
| [15:48:39] | gbee: | but is the small cost saving worth the time I initially spent setting it up? Probably not (nevermind the hundreds of hours I've since spent on development) |
| [15:48:40] | justinh: | eye-pullingly bad. Like GANT |
| [15:48:48] | sid3windr: | yeah, that's myth, now what's wrong with the dvr's! |
| [15:48:49] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [15:49:33] | justinh: | saw my Dad's PVR this weekend. Delete a show. PLEASE WAIT. PLEASE WAIT. PLEASE WAIT. PLEASE WAIT |
| [15:50:05] | Hodapp: | My grandfather had his PVR break, so the company sent him a "new" one which was just a refurb. |
| [15:50:13] | justinh: | aww |
| [15:50:16] | Hodapp: | But they didn't clear out all the old recordings first. |
| [15:50:58] | Hodapp: | It had something like 200 recordings of some preacher, all of which my grandpa had to delete individually, after bitching at customer service and finding it had no batch-delete. |
| [15:53:13] | justinh: | SKY DVRs can delete all your recordings after a spell of weather :D |
| [15:53:18] | justinh: | even PPV :D |
| [15:53:29] | jduggan: | haha |
| [15:53:32] | jduggan: | ive not seen that |
| [15:54:02] | justinh: | pretty much as soon as the unit's out fo warranty |
| [15:54:07] | jduggan: | lol |
| [15:54:17] | justinh: | £70 call-out fee |
| [15:54:45] | justinh: | engineer comes out, resets the box, it wipes all the disk. Yay! |
| [15:56:18] | justinh: | so did any other UK peeps notice the massive pixellation in FlashForward last Monday? |
| [15:56:45] | jduggan: | nope |
| [15:56:51] | jduggan: | but im using dvb-s |
| [15:57:03] | iamlindoro: | justinh, The bitrate here has been absymal too |
| [15:57:04] | justinh: | seems folks in different areas experienced it according to DigitalSPy forums |
| [15:59:20] | justinh: | started to lose me even without the picture nasties |
| [16:00:46] | iamlindoro: | I love David Goyer (who wrote The Dark Knight) but I am really struggling to stick with it |
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| [16:01:35] | jduggan: | i enjoyed the opening two episodes |
| [16:01:44] | jduggan: | but the third didnt keep me entertained |
| [16:01:49] | jduggan: | the fourth hasnt aired here yet |
| [16:01:50] | justinh: | I'll give it another two, then junk it |
| [16:04:19] | justinh: | must be about the first time anything like this has aired more or less across the world at the same time |
| [16:04:28] | jduggan: | yea |
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| [16:07:58] | tommck: | I have a master backend (no frontend), a slave backend (w/ frontend) and a frontend only box... When something is recording on the slave and I try to watch it on the frontend-only box, it only gives me the "details" and "delete" options. I thought it was supposed to automagically stream to me if the drive wasn't mounted locally.... No? |
| [16:09:01] | jduggan: | theres a setting |
| [16:09:06] | jduggan: | always stream from the backend |
| [16:09:23] | tommck: | I thought that was an override |
| [16:09:34] | tommck: | the default being "sometimes?" |
| [16:10:23] | tommck: | that setting is on, by the way... still doesn't seem to work :( |
| [16:10:33] | tarvid: | Thanks for the insights. Off to glue this proposal together. |
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| [16:11:09] | Lunar_Lamp: | Are there any preferred remote/receivers for mythtv? I know that basically anything that lirc supports will work, but are there any favourites here? |
| [16:12:00] | jduggan: | everybody has their own opinion but fwiw, i've had good experience with the mce remote+receiver |
| [16:14:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | Thanks jduggan :-) |
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| [16:25:27] | gbee: | I think the original MCE remote is perfect, but when looking on Ebay recently it doesn't seem like you can get them anymore |
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| [16:30:33] | pac1: | I've set up a username and password for mythweb, but it keeps getting rejected. It seems to recognize the username. but the auth fails. |
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| [16:33:50] | gbee: | rofl, someone trying to run MythTV on a Sheevaplug ... why do people insist on torturing themselves? |
| [16:34:44] | gbee: | not that I mind, that is until they come to us expecting support or changes to the code to accommodate their delusions |
| [16:35:06] | iamlindoro: | gbee, worse than trying to run it... trying to COMPILE it there, too |
| [16:36:42] | iamlindoro: | I like the link to the the docs at a 192.168... address |
| [16:38:57] | gbee: | fwiw I've nothing against people getting myth to run on low power devices, although I'd sooner they concentrate their efforts on portable media players etc but unless they come bearing patches which don't simply disable functionality or add more settings ... |
| [16:39:38] | dustybin: | if i use xmltv + EIT it means i lose a tuner for the majority of my channels, not good :( |
| [16:40:02] | jduggan: | why would you lose a tuner |
| [16:40:35] | gbee: | e.g. you'd need to reduce memory consumption a little to run on most of these things, so I'd welcome patches which solve the memory issue in a _clever_ way without degrading performance or making the code unmaintainable |
| [16:41:26] | dustybin: | jduggan: i have 2 video sources, 1 xmltv, 1 EIT. 1 tuner is assigned to xmltv the other tuner is assigned to EIT (for radio channels only) |
| [16:41:58] | gbee: | then again, with a resolution less than SD, memory consumption would naturally be lower on an iphone or n800 (just not low enough for the paltry amount found in those devices) |
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| [16:42:07] | dustybin: | so that means all my tv (xmltv) channels only get 1 tuner, the other tuner is used for EIT, radio channels |
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| [16:46:55] | tommck: | my HDHomerun won't tune a channel for a recording... it is attempting to tune "13_1" .. but the channel is "13–1" ... I look in mythtv-setup and all the channels are "x-y", not "x_y" any idea where it's getting the "_" ? |
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| [17:28:31] | gandalfcome: | my mythfilldatabase doesn't run automatically. I'm on mythbuntu any idea? |
| [17:28:48] | Dagmar: | Tell it to then. |
| [17:29:10] | oobe: | use cron |
| [17:29:21] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [17:29:31] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu should have that set up automatically |
| [17:29:46] | wagnerrp: | if for reason it is not, you need to talk to them |
| [17:29:56] | wagnerrp: | chances are, it is already set in cron, but broken for some reason |
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| [17:32:16] | gbee: | do not use cron to run mythfilldatabase, it's completely unnecessary, mythbackend will run it if you leave that setting enabled in mythtv-setup |
| [17:33:05] | gbee: | the difference is that mythbackend will do it intelligently at the best time to avoid load on the remote servers but cron won't |
| [17:33:27] | [R]: | and the backend will also run it if you missed the time because the it was turned off |
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| [17:35:17] | gandalfcome: | gbee: so I where's the setting in the backend |
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| [17:35:33] | mag0o: | hmm, is it possible to load the qtlook.txt into qtconfig? |
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| [17:36:37] | Dagmar: | Not for you |
| [17:36:44] | gandalfcome: | gbee: I had a look in the general setup but didn't find it. |
| [17:37:00] | Dagmar: | gandalfcome: Good thing there's a lot more setup menus than just that one, then |
| [17:39:11] | iamlindoro: | it's in the frontend |
| [17:39:28] | iamlindoro: | yes, yet another setting hidden in the frontend to confuse people about what mythtv-setup is actually for |
| [17:39:52] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->General |
| [17:39:54] | iamlindoro: | last page |
| [17:40:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro: well guess that's changing tonight :) |
| [17:40:16] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:41:52] | gandalfcome: | iamlindoro: The last page is job queue. It's not on there. what am I doing wrong? |
| [17:42:10] | iamlindoro: | you're still in mythtv-setup |
| [17:42:12] | Dagmar: | Pushing the wrong buttons, apparently. |
| [17:42:14] | iamlindoro: | not the frontend |
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| [17:42:46] | Dagmar: | The settings is in amongst the frontend settings menus. |
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| [17:45:27] | gandalfcome: | I'm on the backend running mythtv-setup.Is that the wrong place. Sorry guys, a bit lost here. |
| [17:45:36] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [17:45:40] | iamlindoro: | run the frontend |
| [17:45:51] | iamlindoro: | Then: Utilities/Setup->Setup->General |
| [17:45:53] | iamlindoro: | last page |
| [17:46:44] | gandalfcome: | its not installed on this machine. I do need to install it to run mythfilldb automatically. On the backend? |
| [17:46:52] | iamlindoro: | any frontend |
| [17:46:58] | iamlindoro: | on any machine |
| [17:47:43] | gandalfcome: | and that will set it on the backend. will that change in 0.22? |
| [17:48:10] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:48:17] | iamlindoro: | yes, it will set the backend, no it will not change in .22 |
| [17:48:27] | gandalfcome: | well thanks guys that helps me a lot. |
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| [18:02:57] | oobe: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6975 apply's cleanly to to 22 fixes so im thinking i may keep applying it to fixes after .22 is released |
| [18:03:58] | stoffel: | any non-us users of 0.22-rc1 here who could check a possible translation problem? |
| [18:05:56] | oobe: | a lot of non us people still speak english |
| [18:06:11] | oobe: | infact i think there are a few in england too |
| [18:06:12] | iamlindoro: | a lot of US people speak non-english |
| [18:06:29] | iamlindoro: | which is not to say they necessarily speak any other language |
| [18:06:40] | oobe: | heh |
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| [18:10:34] | stoffel: | well, with a language setting other than english, can somebody go to the EPG and select a show thats scheduled for recording and check if the menu that appears is still in english? |
| [18:12:09] | stoffel: | i mean the menu that offers 4 options "Don't record" "Never record" "Manual override" and "Edit Options" |
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| [18:13:25] | justinh: | English is a lot like democracy. It's not everywhere yet but the USA is trying its best |
| [18:13:43] | gbee: | it's untranslated with French, must have been missed by lupdate somehow |
| [18:14:15] | stoffel: | gbee: but i find those strings in the .ts file, maybe they are used identically in other locations |
| [18:14:34] | gbee: | odd, they are translated in the code |
| [18:14:49] | stoffel: | gbee: same for german and czech |
| [18:15:15] | gbee: | just noticed something, mind trying a patch? |
| [18:16:03] | gbee: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1627557 |
| [18:16:34] | gbee: | think I'll stick with French, maybe some of it will sink in |
| [18:18:02] | stoffel: | i'll try. trunk is still compatible with rc1 i hope |
| [18:18:14] | gbee: | yeah, it should apply without hassle |
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| [18:31:19] | stoffel: | gbee: doesn't compile/link: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1627577 |
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| [18:32:03] | oobe: | wow the same HD content uses 85% of one CPU when using High Quality playback profile and uses 3% when using VDPAU that's massive |
| [18:32:12] | oobe: | i never checked it before |
| [18:32:26] | [R]: | well thats because nothinig is happening on the cpu when you are using vdpau |
| [18:32:34] | oobe: | i know |
| [18:32:44] | oobe: | but i havent tested it |
| [18:33:09] | sphery: | and because the High-Quality deinterlacers are /extremely/ high CPU deints |
| [18:33:22] | gbee: | stoffel: ok, I'll take a closer look in a minute |
| [18:33:25] | oobe: | im thinking about getting a 8400gs pci for my pentium 4 box which could actually use it i wanted to see vdpau in action before i went to the effort |
| [18:33:30] | sphery: | whether the VDPAU ones you've chosen are equivalent, I couldn't tell you |
| [18:33:45] | [R]: | oobe: so i've tread reviews people use them just fine... i think i just got a bad egg... cuz mine sucks |
| [18:34:08] | oobe: | i had to change deinterlacers a few times before it looked ok |
| [18:34:36] | stoffel: | gbee: ok |
| [18:34:38] | oobe: | [R], there are so many factors |
| [18:34:52] | [R]: | oobe: huh? |
| [18:35:12] | oobe: | what do you mean by bad egg? |
| [18:35:17] | oobe: | the video card? |
| [18:35:24] | [R]: | yeah |
| [18:35:32] | brusca: | I would like to test if my hardware is working. Platform = debian lenny, card=pinnacle pctv rave. dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m717b6f32 |
| [18:35:51] | oobe: | cause its not just that it's the drivers and the content and the playback profiles |
| [18:36:10] | [R]: | i have a computer with a pci express 8400 |
| [18:36:13] | [R]: | and it works just fine |
| [18:36:17] | oobe: | same here |
| [18:36:19] | [R]: | i put the pci 8400 and it sucks it up |
| [18:36:30] | [R]: | therefore the problem is the card |
| [18:36:43] | oobe: | i have no problem with my 8400 |
| [18:37:03] | oobe: | im using 190 nvidia drivers from the site |
| [18:37:09] | oobe: | i.e not repos |
| [18:37:25] | oobe: | some of the repos dont clean out old drivers properly |
| [18:37:41] | oobe: | ls -l /usr/lib/*vdpau* |
| [18:38:05] | oobe: | showed me some of my libs were incorrectly linked to wrong old drivers |
| [18:38:13] | oobe: | once i corrected that i had no problems |
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| [18:39:10] | oobe: | also when using vdpau frontend logs didnt tell me it was using them and everything was fine unless i ran mythfrontend -v playback |
| [18:39:26] | oobe: | but if there were problems it would tell me |
| [18:39:42] | oobe: | so i found it hard at first to relise it was working |
| [18:40:33] | brusca: | should i add a video source in the mythtv-backend to do a simple test if my hardware is functioning? |
| [18:40:59] | [R]: | what hardware do you want to test? |
| [18:41:07] | Dibblah: | brusca: I would suggest following an install guide, rather than doing stuff and hoping it works. |
| [18:42:39] | brusca: | see my previous question. I followed a guide for debian-etch, but the guide doesnt give detailed info on the backend configuration. Where can I find more info? |
| [18:43:08] | [R]: | brusca: thats what the mythtv documenation is for... |
| [18:45:15] | strex: | so I recently compiled .22 from source and now when I play LiveTV or recorded I get http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=gpl6v |
| [18:45:46] | [R]: | pretty sure i already answered this like yesterday |
| [18:45:50] | [R]: | 2009-10–17 17:04:00.741 VideoOutput, Error: Not compiled with any useable video output method. |
| [18:46:28] | strex: | I see that, but it's not like I've Disabled anything on the command line. |
| [18:46:57] | [R]: | sounds like either your playback profile is wrong |
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| [18:46:59] | [R]: | or you horribly miscompiled it |
| [18:47:28] | strex: | it's just a straite ./configure nothing special. |
| [18:47:52] | [R]: | and? |
| [18:47:57] | [R]: | that doesn't mean its compiled properly |
| [18:48:19] | strex: | so how would you recommend I compile it properly? |
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| [18:48:58] | [R]: | well it depends on what the output of configure was |
| [18:49:34] | fabio_27: | hi, is it normal that the livetv picture is shaking a little bit up and down when mythtv is deinterlacing? i'm viewing this on my LCD computer screen. |
| [18:49:34] | Casper0082: | strex: when you do configure, what shows up as "no" for video output support? Missing lib me thinks |
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| [18:49:59] | strex: | Casper0082: I was thinking the same thing.. |
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| [18:51:30] | strex: | http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=olr5v |
| [18:52:08] | strex: | xv support == no is my guess. |
| [18:52:52] | strex: | any clue what depends are needed to get xv and xvmc in there? |
| [18:53:06] | Casper0082: | strex: I forget what I used when I compiled. libxv-dev libxvmc-dev maybe |
| [18:54:08] | strex: | nada |
| [18:54:26] | Casper0082: | strex: You have both of those packages installed? |
| [18:54:53] | strex: | those packages don't exist, not installable. |
| [18:55:00] | Casper0082: | hrmm, one sec |
| [18:55:08] | strex: | at least not from my repo's |
| [18:55:34] | Casper0082: | what are you running? |
| [18:55:57] | strex: | mythdora |
| [18:57:14] | strex: | it's 10.21, |
| [18:57:55] | Casper0082: | libXvMC-devel |
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| [18:58:29] | strex: | Awesome, just installed. |
| [18:58:38] | strex: | trying a compile again. |
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| [18:59:36] | strex: | There we go, full XvMC in config output now. I'm sure it will work now, Thanks Casper0082 |
| [19:00:35] | Casper0082: | strex: no prob. That should at least be a start :). |
| [19:01:27] | strex: | Casper0082: agreed, now to get lirc (painintheass) working :p. |
| [19:02:14] | Casper0082: | strex: This might be outdated, but it shows some of the libs you <might> be missing. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Fedora |
| [19:03:08] | Casper0082: | err, nevermind. You already have lirc support from the configure I saw |
| [19:03:52] | strex: | Casper0082: it's cool, thanks any ways. |
| [19:04:42] | Casper0082: | strex: no prob |
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| [19:11:54] | sphery: | mag0o: Huge thanks. If gbee doesn't get to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7364 today, I'll take a look at the qtlook.txt changes you did for Terra later today and do up some screenshots for him to approve before committing it. |
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| [19:12:26] | gbee: | sphery: just commit, not bothered what the settings screens look like |
| [19:13:16] | gbee: | once maybe, but not now |
| [19:14:22] | sphery: | gbee: cool... I'll do that later today. Can I consider it a bug fix, too? (As without it, we're likely to get a /lot/ of complaints about settings/mythtv-setup.) |
| [19:14:33] | sphery: | So I'd love to put it in -fixes, too |
| [19:15:22] | gbee: | sphery: -fixes is fine |
| [19:15:32] | sphery: | great |
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| [19:15:38] | gbee: | well where it really belongs |
| [19:18:09] | iamlindoro: | we should see if we can convince daniel/chutt to release, I don't want one commit resetting the clock yet again |
| [19:18:21] | iamlindoro: | And I have four pending for -fixes |
| [19:18:43] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't want it to delay the release. |
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| [19:26:16] | mag0o: | yw sphery – i went through and tried to make it where the buttons were obvious as to which ones were selected/enabled/disabled |
| [19:26:26] | mag0o: | and changed a few of the font colors to match the overall theme |
| [19:27:45] | [R]: | i just saw the most awesome commit message... moving the mythfilldatabase optinos from the frontend to mythtv-setup |
| [19:27:46] | sphery: | nice--above and beyond my just wanting it to be clear which is selected |
| [19:27:58] | sphery: | did you end up hand-editing or using qtconfig? |
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| [19:28:03] | sphery: | (just curious which was easier) |
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| [19:28:39] | mag0o: | hand editing |
| [19:28:57] | mag0o: | couldn't figure out how to use qtconfig (didnt put much effort into figuring it out though) |
| [19:29:14] | mag0o: | i do have a qtconfig.txt that has what i found out commented in it |
| [19:30:30] | sphery: | cool--I hope you can delete it soon (i.e. that we get rid of qtlook.txt and all the non-themed stuff soon) |
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| [19:31:20] | sphery: | mag0o: I like it. It looks good (way better than anything I came up with when I tried editing it). |
| [19:31:52] | DarkFoxDK: | Hi, I'm having a hell of a time finding a linux compatible external (USB/Firewire) DVB-C tuner... It seems the only ones that I can buy in denmark are Hauppauge WinTV HVR-930C, TerraTec H5, TerraTec H7 and Technotrend CT-3650... I tried searching for info on them, but it's hard to find out if they work or not.. |
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| [19:38:07] | Hiisty: | is there any pci-dcb-c-cards with cardslot? |
| [19:38:36] | [R]: | Hiisty: linuxtv.org has a list of cards that work |
| [19:39:07] | Hiisty: | ok, i'll take a look |
| [19:40:08] | DarkFoxDK: | Hiisty: Technotrend C-1501 Seems to be one that works. |
| [19:40:26] | hads: | Most if the technotrend stuff works well. |
| [19:40:50] | Dagmar: | Have fun finding drivers |
| [19:41:05] | hads: | I think we've sold the S-1500 and T-1500 but not the C |
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| [19:54:33] | DarkFoxDK: | how about the TechnoTrend TT-Connect C-1200 USB ? |
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| [20:06:40] | gbee: | *sigh* |
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| [20:13:36] | oobe: | i thought this http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22514 made it so you can login multiple times to network protocol but when i tried to test using nc localhost 6546 the second login freeze's |
| [20:13:51] | oobe: | am i misunderstanding the feature? |
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| [20:15:05] | swerve: | my myth backend died today, not sure what was wrong |
| [20:15:16] | swerve: | i just kept getting a message saying the module had died or something... wasn't able to save it |
| [20:15:29] | [R]: | thats why it supports logging... |
| [20:15:44] | swerve: | i reloaded the ivtv module, restarted mysql, myth-backend in various combinations |
| [20:17:15] | oobe: | are you using .21 ? |
| [20:17:20] | swerve: | checking log now.... |
| [20:17:52] | swerve: | log is empty – last entry for log.1 is 2008–04 :P |
| [20:18:25] | [R]: | sounds like thats not the log it was using then... |
| [20:18:33] | swerve: | v. 0.21.20080304–1 on debian |
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| [20:18:53] | swerve: | i don't know, it just says /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [20:18:57] | swerve: | is there another one? |
| [20:19:29] | swerve: | rebooting "fixed" it, btw – no guarantee it won't happen again until i can find the problem |
| [20:19:29] | [R]: | "it says"? |
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| [20:20:00] | swerve: | yes, the file talks to me through it's name, it's quite an advanced technology |
| [20:20:04] | swerve: | its* |
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| [20:20:18] | ** stuarta upgrades prod setup to 0.22 RC ** | |
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| [20:21:15] | swerve: | personally I don't really care – I'll just reboot if/when needed |
| [20:22:09] | swerve: | thought someone might be interested to know there could be a bug, but with "it says" level of comments, i guess not ;-) |
| [20:23:14] | stuarta: | so far you've managed to tell us zero information that we could use to help diagnose your problem |
| [20:23:25] | iamlindoro: | we would be interested in bugs, but given the diagnostic information sounds like the reporter has a major head injury, we're not |
| [20:23:52] | ** stuarta wills his computers to build faster ** | |
| [20:23:54] | [R]: | if i have a DVD that doens't play very well in myth... should i file a bug report with some verbose logs? |
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| [20:24:32] | gbee: | which version? |
| [20:24:41] | _ben: | [R]: if you do, post the URL to me cos I have teh same issue and might need to add some info |
| [20:25:03] | iamlindoro: | We have a number of DVD related tickets open, I'd be surprised if they weren't the same/probably all related |
| [20:25:08] | [R]: | _ben: i dobut you have the same issue |
| [20:25:20] | [R]: | iamlindoro: this one the audio shows up as "English AC3 7ch" |
| [20:25:25] | [R]: | and its way out of sync |
| [20:25:43] | swerve: | lol – i actually have had head injury, along with cognitive issues from chemotherapy to treat thyroid cancer |
| [20:25:44] | iamlindoro: | yep, we have a DVD audio sync/speed issue tickets |
| [20:25:54] | [R]: | iamlindoro: but what about the "AC3 7ch" thing? |
| [20:25:54] | _ben: | Yeah, i have that |
| [20:25:56] | swerve: | but that has nothing to do with empty logs |
| [20:26:08] | iamlindoro: | [R], Very likely/possible that you've just noticed an element someone else didn't |
| [20:26:17] | iamlindoro: | but seems the same root issue |
| [20:26:23] | [R]: | hrm |
| [20:26:30] | [R]: | well i probbly arne't gonn have time for a while |
| [20:26:35] | swerve: | and snotty users ;-) |
| [20:26:43] | [R]: | myabe when i get some time i'll look through the tikcets |
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| [20:34:20] | oobe: | swerve, sorry to hear about your conditions its an unfortunate coincidence what they are trying to say is that you need to be more verbose when reporting issue's |
| [20:34:42] | oobe: | i.e learn how to read logs post them in pastebin.ca |
| [20:35:21] | Dagmar: | swerve: You realize of course that the head injury excuse is something literally no one else in the channel ever gets to make |
| [20:35:28] | Dagmar: | You should feel pretty superiour about that, actually. |
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| [20:37:28] | nespinosa: | Hi, when I use the match words recording option, it does not function for words with french accent as Pérou. Do you know how to do. Thanks in advance. |
| [20:38:15] | sphery: | nespinosa: in 0.21-fixes or trunk? |
| [20:38:31] | justinh: | or 0.22-fixes ;-) |
| [20:38:38] | Dagmar: | Sounds like charset issues |
| [20:38:39] | sphery: | (or, I suppose in a version pulled from the 0.22-fixes branch,) |
| [20:38:41] | ** stuarta waves to justinh ** | |
| [20:38:59] | nespinosa: | I have the 0.21 version I think (mythbuntu 8.04) |
| [20:39:05] | sphery: | nespinosa: if 0.21-fixes, just wait until 0.22 is released, then upgrade |
| [20:39:12] | justinh: | is it Friday yet? |
| [20:39:36] | sphery: | nespinosa: I can't verify that it works in what will be 0.22, but I can guarantee it won't ever work in 0.21-fixes and below. |
| [20:39:48] | sphery: | nespinosa: 0.22 should be released within days, too |
| [20:40:52] | nespinosa: | what is strange is that when I 'test' for the recording match word, it finds a recording |
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| [20:43:00] | nespinosa: | Anyway, thanks for the information. |
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| [20:47:16] | sphery: | nespinosa: right, there's a bug, but the whole charset handling stuff has changed so much in trunk that when it was first reported a few months ago, it wasn't worth looking into for a version that was soon to be replaced |
| [20:52:57] | nespinosa: | sorry for my poor english but what do you mean by trunk ? |
| [20:53:26] | _ben: | trunk is the latest code |
| [20:53:36] | nespinosa: | Ok, thanks |
| [20:53:44] | _ben: | trunk can be branched to versions, e.g. .21 |
| [20:53:45] | sphery: | right, development version that becomes the next release |
| [20:53:49] | _ben: | or .22 |
| [20:54:37] | _ben: | the equiv in hg is tip isn't it? |
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| [20:57:08] | hads: | Yes, in SVN it can be called whatever. |
| [20:57:22] | _ben: | Yeah |
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| [21:20:56] | jeremyrainman: | Anyone around? |
| [21:21:13] | justinh: | no |
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| [21:21:26] | jeremyrainman: | That's a shame |
| [21:22:33] | justinh: | well, rather than asking if anybody is around why not try asking a proper question? |
| [21:23:25] | jeremyrainman: | Well, there's a presumption there |
| [21:23:36] | jeremyrainman: | that someone who is around would actually want to take the time to answer |
| [21:24:10] | jeremyrainman: | making that presumption |
| [21:24:14] | justinh: | a question which could well have already been answered satisfactorily had you asked it in the first place |
| [21:24:17] | justinh: | sheesh |
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| [21:25:30] | jeremyrainman: | Has anyone experienced a very strange sound issue. I get audio (even 5.1) from live TV just fine from most programs, however, some programs are now entirely muted, and I'm watching football all day here, and half the commercials are muted |
| [21:25:57] | jeremyrainman: | My stereo (getting SPDIF via optical from the PC) demonstrates that it's getting a signal during these times, but it's all muted. |
| [21:26:11] | justinh: | which version are you using? |
| [21:26:15] | jeremyrainman: | of Myth? |
| [21:26:36] | oobe: | lol yea |
| [21:26:39] | jeremyrainman: | .21 |
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| [21:27:14] | oobe: | during playback your should be able to select audio channel of the livetv |
| [21:27:24] | oobe: | e.g mp2 or ac3 |
| [21:27:30] | oobe: | just press the m key |
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| [21:28:07] | jeremyrainman: | ya, that doesn't give you many choices... english ac3 or spanish. |
| [21:28:37] | jeremyrainman: | or rather, it's not giving me many |
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| [21:30:08] | oobe: | in setup / general settings / there should be enabled spdif passthough |
| [21:30:25] | oobe: | you can expiriment with various audio settings there |
| [21:30:35] | oobe: | such as ac3 passthough |
| [21:30:36] | jeremyrainman: | It is |
| [21:31:15] | oobe: | ok i cannot advise you on the specific setting you need but i suspect there is somthing you can change in those settings |
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| [21:31:55] | oobe: | record a sample that has the issues you are talking about then use that to test until you can hear audio in each different ad |
| [21:32:03] | jeremyrainman: | k, difficult to understand why half-audio could be muted due to a setting in there |
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| [21:35:22] | oobe: | also worth mention disabling ac3 passthrough might work |
| [21:37:13] | oobe: | disabling internal volume controls needs to be set when using passthrough |
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| [21:39:16] | jeremyrainman: | disabling ac3 works, but of course returns me to stereo only. |
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| [21:41:29] | oobe: | i cant tell you anymore than that im afraid |
| [21:42:28] | jeremyrainman: | I appreciate it! |
| [21:44:59] | jeremyrainman: | on the upside, I get automatic muting of some commercials |
| [21:46:01] | oobe: | does that still happen after disabling ac3? |
| [21:48:32] | justinh: | might be that some ads only have stereo audio & blank ac3 audio streams |
| [21:49:23] | jeremyrainman: | Disabling ac3 returns all output to a simple stereo, and audio returns to things that were previously muted |
| [21:49:46] | jeremyrainman: | I'd believe that justin, because this issue didn't exist for me only a month or so ago |
| [21:50:04] | jeremyrainman: | seems like some of the broadcasters are jostling their compression/streams around |
| [21:52:45] | dustybin: | jeremyrainman: do you suffer from aspergers syndrome? |
| [21:53:06] | iamlindoro: | oh for crying out loud |
| [21:53:20] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: his nick says 'rainman; |
| [21:53:24] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, you really seem *determined* to make this channel despise you |
| [21:53:41] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't you enjoy having people like, or at least tolerate you for once? |
| [21:53:47] | _ben: | why is he not banned? :) |
| [21:53:52] | iamlindoro: | if so, step one is shutting the eff up |
| [21:54:00] | Dagmar: | dustybin: What's his nyn got to do with Asperger's? |
| [21:54:04] | justinh: | worse people are not banned. I'm still here |
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| [21:54:07] | iamlindoro: | _ben, overly permissive channel |
| [21:54:26] | _ben: | pfft, it's lucky I'm not an oper on this network :P |
| [21:54:29] | ** justinh suspects mchou is a pseudoymn of the project leader ** | |
| [21:54:37] | jeremyrainman: | No dusty, though I don't know why you'd assume that, since Rainman did not suffer from aspergers. |
| [21:54:55] | dustybin: | oh i thought he did |
| [21:55:26] | Dagmar: | That's because your'e a f**king moron, d. |
| [21:55:52] | jeremyrainman: | it's a common mistake people make. some researchers believe that Rainman actually would have been a career IRC troll had IRC existed in that day. |
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| [21:56:14] | justinh: | so does this mean that dustybin is actually a trash receptacle? |
| [21:56:40] | justinh: | better change my nick to reflect this "you are your IRC nick" |
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| [21:57:41] | _ben: | Right, bedtime |
| [21:57:43] | _ben: | nn |
| [21:58:00] | justinh: | good plan. lots of looking busy tomorrow |
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| [22:28:40] | iamlindoro: | were it that were true |
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| [22:50:04] | jams: | wonder if that was an invite to ban him |
| [22:50:08] | jams: | for two weeks |
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| [23:01:00] | puff: | Hi, I have a couple questions. I'm not sure they're entirely appropriate, some of them are tivo-related, as I'm moving off tivo to mythtv. |
| [23:02:24] | puff: | I've built a mythbuntu box. I have some .tivo files I've downloaded from my old tivo. I've read that they're basically mpeg files. They're quite large, typically about 4GB. |
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| [23:03:11] | puff: | a) what do I need to do to process them so I can watch them on mythtv, do they really need to be that large, or can I shrink them significantly without losing noticable quality? |
| [23:03:42] | puff: | b) if they answer is "yes, they need to be that large", is 4GB per hour a good rule of thumb for disk space consumption (on non-HD content, of course)? |
| [23:03:47] | Dagmar: | 1. You can't, TiVo won't let you. |
| [23:04:01] | Dagmar: | 2. Read the docs on the mythtv wiki |
| [23:04:02] | puff: | No, I've downloaded them already. |
| [23:04:17] | puff: | c) if I want to write a show out to DVD, what should I use? |
| [23:04:45] | puff: | I've downloaded them to my ubuntu box via the web interface (which took forever). |
| [23:05:04] | Dagmar: | You'll want to start with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview and then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| [23:06:41] | puff: | mytharchive looks neat. |
| [23:08:30] | xand: | puff: see if mplayer can play them. if so you could use mencoder to compress them. |
| [23:08:47] | xand: | and mythvideo or whatever it's called to watch them with mythtv |
| [23:09:11] | puff: | Interesting. |
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| [23:09:57] | xand: | I use "mencoder -oac copy -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=1200" to get reasonable quality compression |
| [23:10:04] | oobe: | does anyone when i try to apply this change http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22514 to 22 fixes i get build errors? |
| [23:10:21] | xand: | not really an mencoder expert though |
| [23:10:39] | oobe: | i am thinking it was implemented after the 3 modified files were changed |
| [23:11:21] | oobe: | if i can just get a diff i can make a patch that apply's to svn 22 |
| [23:11:48] | puff: | xand: Would the results play on awindows box?b |
| [23:12:01] | dbsuprhro: | correct place to ask for help with release-0-22-fixes build errors? |
| [23:12:09] | xand: | puff: sure |
| [23:12:17] | puff: | Cool. |
| [23:12:22] | xand: | at least with vlc or mplayer, dunno about other software. |
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| [23:20:10] | wagnerrp: | so where did he go? |
| [23:20:27] | wagnerrp: | he asked if he could ask a question, and then left before he could even get an answer to that? |
| [23:20:47] | puff: | Who? |
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| [23:20:50] | wagnerrp: | less than one minute? |
| [23:20:54] | wagnerrp: | dbsuprhro |
| [23:21:00] | puff: | Odd. |
| [23:21:15] | Dagmar: | I think he answered his own question. |
| [23:21:20] | wagnerrp: | he came in here an hour ago, asked if this is where to get help for 0.22, and then left a minute later |
| [23:21:28] | Dagmar: | This isn't the place to ask if your attention span only lasts a minute |
| [23:22:09] | wagnerrp: | and he *left*, its not like his machine crashed or something |
| [23:22:12] | wagnerrp: | hes still on IRC |
| [23:23:01] | oobe: | maybe he just wants to know if he needs to ask a question if this is the right place |
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| [23:23:17] | wagnerrp: | but he left before anyone could answer |
| [23:23:28] | puff: | xand: Hm....: Too many video packets in the buffer: (1046 in 8405100 bytes). Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed? |
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| [23:23:42] | Dagmar: | ...with an attention span that short it's rather more likely he needs someone to tell him to install the -devel packages |
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| [23:26:17] | wolfspirit: | does anyone know where to find the frequency id of a channel? I'm trying to add a channel manually since one channel didn't come through on the scan. I have the xmlid and other info, I just need the frequency |
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| [23:26:37] | Dagmar: | The FCC usually knows. |
| [23:26:43] | Dagmar: | ...and their stuff is indexed by Google. |
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| [23:34:14] | wolfspirit: | Dagmar: have you ever searched for it before? I was trying to search for it using WLWTDT and haven't found anything yet |
| [23:34:15] | gbee: | maybe the guy just answered his own question, sometimes all it takes is saying it out loud to break a mental block |
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| [23:36:14] | oobe: | http://s4.tinypic.com/334lzxj_th.jpg |
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| [23:38:48] | wolfspirit: | I found this link: http://www.noard.com/tvchannels.htm and it says: "ANALOG FREQUENCY - Visual Carrier &nb sp;77.25 MHz Aural Carrier 81. 75 MHz" |
| [23:41:54] | Dagmar: | That's nice, dear. |
| [23:42:01] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/widgets.png |
| [23:42:02] | wolfspirit: | heh |
| [23:42:10] | iamlindoro: | A menu should not take a whole day's work, but at last I think I'm happy |
| [23:42:43] | [R]: | iamlindoro: lookin pretty sweet |
| [23:42:46] | wolfspirit: | nice.. pretty slick |
| [23:42:51] | wagnerrp: | music at 48khz? |
| [23:42:54] | Dagmar: | So, unless we just happen to live next door to you, why the hell would WE ever search for the station? |
| [23:43:04] | Dagmar: | ...let alone why the hell would we *know* it |
| [23:43:26] | Dagmar: | Next time ask us to help find your keys |
| [23:43:38] | wolfspirit: | why are you such a jerk? |
| [23:43:47] | Dagmar: | Why are you whining, again |
| [23:44:11] | wolfspirit: | I was asking for help yesterday in here and you gave me more sarcastic responses.. I'm just trying to get myth setup |
| [23:44:20] | wolfspirit: | that's what this channel is for, to help others |
| [23:44:56] | Dagmar: | Most people would say there's a difference between helping and doing someone's crap for them. |
| [23:45:19] | Dagmar: | When you're asking people _around the globe_ about your local broadcast channels, you're just asking someone to Google for you. |
| [23:45:40] | wolfspirit: | dude.. I'm not asking for someone to do it for me.. I'm asking for help in understanding what the hell the frequency ID is even supposed to be.. I'm new to this stuff |
| [23:45:42] | Dagmar: | Now I ask again, why the hell would anyone in here have known what you were wanting? |
| [23:46:08] | Dagmar: | Before you get all pissy with me, take a moment to consider that I might damn well be right and the question was silly |
| [23:46:47] | hads: | Dagmar is always right. |
| [23:46:59] | wolfspirit: | I'm looking in the mythconverg database at the channel table and the other channels have numbers for frequency such as 75, 80, etc. I assume it has something to do with the cable high channel that was being scanned but I'm in the dark on this |
| [23:47:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do online music stores do 48khz? or is that DVD-A? ive just never seen anything other than 44.1 |
| [23:47:56] | Dagmar: | We told you yesterday, THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN "5–1" AND ANY GIVEN FREQUENCY. |
| [23:49:38] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, rip/encode mistake |
| [23:50:02] | Dagmar: | Logical channel numbers are entirely a fiction |
| [23:50:05] | wagnerrp: | seems the next X360 update is going to break any 3rd party memory modules |
| [23:50:20] | Dagmar: | They do not map to any specific frequency the way "channel 4" does on the knob on your old analog set |
| [23:50:38] | wagnerrp: | does microsoft just sit around dreaming up ways to screw over users? |
| [23:50:48] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: When their users are dirty pirates? |
| [23:50:57] | Dagmar: | Well, even when they're not... It's Microsoft. |
| [23:51:02] | wagnerrp: | what purpose other than a money grab could there be to intentionally breaking those |
| [23:51:07] | Dagmar: | Duh. |
| [23:51:10] | Dagmar: | Again, it's Microsoft. |
| [23:51:45] | wagnerrp: | but microsoft doesnt offer a competing product |
| [23:52:01] | [R]: | I have 12 DVB-T/S devices, each set for 10 Encoders – MythTV is patched is allow upto 10 virtual encoders per device, this means I have 120 encoders in total (as shown in MythWeb status). |
| [23:52:01] | [R]: | WTF |
| [23:52:01] | Dagmar: | The thing doesn't need extra memory. |
| [23:52:02] | wagnerrp: | so theyre destroying the market, rather than cornering it |
| [23:52:25] | wolfspirit: | Dagmar: I know... I got all of my channels working finally (it was the firmware) but there is one missing: NBC for my area, which happens to be channel 5... I don't care if it's called 5_1 or Dagmareatspoo I'm just trying to get it in and the scanner didn't find it so I'm trying to add the channel manually. I have ALL the info EXCEPT for the frequency number but I have no clue on what that should be. schedules direct does |
| [23:52:31] | wagnerrp: | you have twelve tuners???? |
| [23:52:47] | wagnerrp: | in god's name, why? |
| [23:52:49] | Dagmar: | wolfspirit: Well maybe www.rif.org will help you then |
| [23:52:50] | [R]: | wagnerrp: thats from the ML |
| [23:52:52] | poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@adsl-68-126-5-207.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:52:52] | iamlindoro: | Someone trying to start their own cable co |
| [23:52:59] | [R]: | iamlindoro: haha |
| [23:52:59] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro++ |
| [23:53:29] | iamlindoro: | There are also some hospitals and hotels using myth... but something along those lines I'd guess |
| [23:54:48] | wagnerrp: | just how do you have 12 tuners in one machine? USB? |
| [23:55:11] | iamlindoro: | guess so, or maybe one of the PCIe->PCI boxen |
| [23:55:21] | [R]: | or it could be multiple bakcends |
| [23:55:43] | wolfspirit: | there are dual tuner cards too.. it's probably possible |
| [23:55:57] | wagnerrp: | thats still six cards in one box |
| [23:56:19] | wagnerrp: | that means EVERY slot filled, including the one intended for video |
| [23:56:27] | Dagmar: | It's rather likely it's another person trying to partner with one of those cool "No we're not really streaming pirated television" companies |
| [23:56:47] | iamlindoro: | wolfspirit, since he said DVB-T/S, it's likely they're HVR-4000s |
| [23:56:48] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I have bad feelings about a box with six PCI cards in it all going ata once |
| [23:56:52] | iamlindoro: | which is indeed dual tuners |
| [23:57:00] | iamlindoro: | so 6x of those, I'm betting |
| [23:57:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 3000/4000 cards were just tri-/quad-mode cards |
| [23:57:43] | wagnerrp: | a single hybrid tuner |
| [23:58:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Thought it would do T and S at the same time, but maybe you're right |
| [23:59:28] | oobe: | is this a feature or a fix i think it should apply to fixes http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22514 |
| [23:59:42] | wagnerrp: | looking at the card currently |
| [23:59:51] | wagnerrp: | there certainly appear to be two separate tuners on the board |
| [23:59:59] | wagnerrp: | but the site makes no mention of 'record two things at once' |
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