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| [00:00:12] | gnarface: | more on topic; just out of curiosity how does mythtv do on top of compiz-fusion |
| [00:00:12] | gnarface: | what' the word on the street? |
| [00:00:17] | gnarface: | s/what'/what's |
| [00:01:23] | kormoc: | It doesn't |
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| [00:01:47] | gnarface: | a shame |
| [00:02:14] | gnarface: | what's the barrier? (other than the obvious general statement about compiz-fusion being at best "highly experimental") |
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| [00:03:49] | kormoc: | why spend the time getting it to work when it doesn't add anything? |
| [00:05:47] | gnarface: | indeed |
| [00:05:52] | gnarface: | :( |
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| [00:15:37] | chainsawbike: | wagnerrp, i think with dri2 they will play nice but im just guessing |
| [00:18:33] | chainsawbike: | i use it with compiz atm but i get plenty of funky behaviour |
| [00:22:09] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
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| [00:30:34] | wagnerrp: | well i just ran my video export script |
| [00:30:37] | Josh_Borke: | yay! more hd channels! woot |
| [00:30:41] | wagnerrp: | and it copied the recording... somewhere |
| [00:30:45] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea where it put it |
| [00:31:04] | pyther: | Does anyone know if this is a pretty good mencoder setting? mencoder <input.avi> -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=2200 -o <output.avi>? |
| [00:32:57] | iamlindoro: | If you're trying to compress something to a low bitrate version of two crap codecs, yes ;) |
| [00:33:41] | iamlindoro: | depends what resolution you are hoping to use, and how good you want it to look in the end, but genereally speaking that will be of "OK" quality for SD material and horrendous quality for anything high def |
| [00:34:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont like this deaf chick on heroes |
| [00:34:10] | pyther: | Well it his high def stuff :-/ |
| [00:34:18] | wagnerrp: | i can watch it while doing something else if i have to read subtitles |
| [00:34:19] | pyther: | What would be better settings? |
| [00:34:22] | iamlindoro: | Then that will look absolutely awful |
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| [00:35:09] | iamlindoro: | use h.264 for video and AAC or AC3 for audio, and throw at least twice as much bitrate at it, if not much more |
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| [00:35:49] | pyther: | iamlindoro, what container? |
| [00:36:08] | iamlindoro: | MKV would be fine, or MPEG TS |
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| [00:36:25] | wagnerrp: | unless youre looking to store these things on a CD, or multiple on a DVD, dont worry about bitrate |
| [00:36:45] | wagnerrp: | set a constant quantizer and be done with it |
| [00:36:59] | pyther: | wagnerrp, so would that be a one pass? |
| [00:37:05] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [00:37:17] | wagnerrp: | set it to 20 or so (for x264) |
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| [00:37:54] | OmniCitadel: | ugh so after a reinstall i followed the same exact instructions as before for getting the capture card to install yet mythtv wont recognise this time? any suggestions? |
| [00:38:14] | wagnerrp: | the only purpose of 2-pass is to hit a desired average bitrate |
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| [00:40:49] | Josh_Borke: | OmniCitadel: does it exist in /dev/whatever? |
| [00:41:40] | OmniCitadel: | after a year of banging on linux systems I still feel like a n00b... what command should i run? |
| [00:41:46] | OmniCitadel: | to answer that questions |
| [00:42:07] | pyther: | does anyone have any suggested x264 encoding options? |
| [00:42:14] | pyther: | Should I mess with bframes, etc... |
| [00:42:14] | Josh_Borke: | ls /dev/video* or ls /dev/dvb* |
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| [00:43:40] | wagnerrp: | pyther: find a profile online intended for AVCHD, PS3, or DXVA |
| [00:43:58] | wagnerrp: | there are certain options that dont sit too well with hardware decoders |
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| [00:44:31] | wagnerrp: | so if you ever want to use something VDPAU (or VAAPI or XvBA should they ever materialize), youll want to follow those |
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| [00:45:35] | OmniCitadel: | Josh_Borke: I am not seeing it under /dev/ |
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| [00:45:58] | Josh_Borke: | OmniCitadel: then it doesn't sound like your device is being detected, check the output of dmesg (dmesg | less) |
| [00:46:43] | OmniCitadel: | not seeing any thing that strikes a note |
| [00:47:04] | pyther: | Meh this video stuff is so confusing! |
| [00:48:03] | pyther: | All these guides do a two pass :( |
| [00:48:04] | wagnerrp: | thats why most users just end up using handbrake or something that hides all those nice options from them |
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| [00:49:28] | pyther: | Hmm I might try that |
| [00:50:08] | elmojo: | anyone else noticing a constant memory leak during playback while running trunk? |
| [00:51:06] | pyther: | No! |
| [00:51:19] | pyther: | My mythbox didn't turn on :( |
| [00:52:46] | wagnerrp: | i have a user job set to leave a comment after completion |
| [00:52:58] | wagnerrp: | but it seems to be overwritten with 'Successfully Complete.' |
| [00:53:04] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to stop that from happening? |
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| [00:54:17] | pyther: | wagnerrp, do you covert you videos on your myth box? |
| [00:54:34] | wagnerrp: | pyther: i dont, i just losslessly transcode |
| [00:54:48] | wagnerrp: | i do rip dvds, but on my windows box, with megui/x264 |
| [00:55:01] | pyther: | What do you mean by losslessly transcode, nupple video? |
| [00:55:14] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 --> mpeg2 sans commercials |
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| [00:55:27] | wagnerrp: | not transcoding per se |
| [00:55:39] | pyther: | How do you do that in myth, is there a guide? |
| [00:56:00] | wagnerrp: | just clipping out the ads, and reforming any orphaned frames before the next keyframe |
| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | if you have mpeg2 video, just use 'autodetect' |
| [00:56:21] | wagnerrp: | and it automatically does lossless |
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| [00:57:59] | pyther: | wagnerrp, where do I use autodetect? I know it autodetects the commercials, but the player simply skips over them |
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| [00:58:21] | wagnerrp: | theres a howto on the wiki |
| [00:58:31] | wagnerrp: | you have to go into edit mode, to generate a cutlist |
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| [00:58:37] | wagnerrp: | the commflagger just makes a skiplist |
| [00:58:47] | wagnerrp: | basically, youre just confirming where you want to make the cuts |
| [00:58:57] | wagnerrp: | then you transcode, and it removes those areas |
| [00:59:05] | wagnerrp: | if you do have to set anything, i dont remember |
| [00:59:11] | wagnerrp: | i did it a year or two ago |
| [00:59:30] | pyther: | I found the wiki entry, I'll play with it sometime |
| [00:59:33] | pyther: | Thanks |
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| [01:13:22] | Wicked: | hmm anyone know if 0.22 is gonna be released on tues? if so...what time :) |
| [01:13:34] | Wicked: | i had heard it might.. |
| [01:14:47] | iamlindoro: | Tuesdayish, probably more like Wednesday now, and no fixed time |
| [01:14:53] | iamlindoro: | whenever it feels ready |
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| [01:15:09] | Wicked: | ok cool thanks :) |
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| [02:09:16] | MTughan: | If I edit the MySQL config to allow connections from outside the computer, I'll need to restart the MySQL daemon, right? |
| [02:10:11] | [R]: | of course |
| [02:10:17] | [R]: | you might be able to HUP it |
| [02:10:48] | MTughan: | I'd feel safer restarting than hoping a HUP reconfigures. |
| [02:11:07] | [R]: | well it would take all of 2 seocnds to see if it worked... |
| [02:11:15] | MTughan: | True. |
| [02:11:41] | MTughan: | Well, I'll wait until it's not doing anything anyway. Currently in the middle of transcoding. |
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| [02:18:00] | resno_: | hello guys, i am looking around wiki, and cant find the approved method for making it sleep. I checked here:http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.5 and this doesnt explain good enough. Are there any other resources? |
| [02:18:53] | resno_: | Or am I missing the resources I need? |
| [02:19:23] | [R]: | resno_: making "it" sleep? |
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| [02:20:03] | resno_: | yes, my current myth front and backend combo. |
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| [02:20:16] | resno_: | [R]: ^^ |
| [02:20:21] | [R]: | resno_: there are tons of article on the wiki on acpi wakeup, mythshutdown, and mythwelcome |
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| [02:36:03] | oktiv: | good evening all. i am trying to setup things so the power button on the remote surns off the screen and closes the frontend, another press would start the frontend and the screen. all of this from the writeup on the mythtv wiki "combining DPS on/off and Launching Myth" http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Customized_Remote_Control_Keys |
| [02:36:57] | oktiv: | i figure someone here has this setup since you all seem to pretty deep in it. |
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| [02:39:35] | [R]: | oktiv: and your question is... |
| [02:39:53] | oktiv: | when i hit the power button, the screen turns off but sound remains. again and the screen comes on with a big "X" (white background black font) and the sound remains. does the script look right? |
| [02:40:01] | oktiv: | sorry i type slow |
| [02:40:32] | [R]: | sounds like your not stopping the frontend |
| [02:41:41] | oktiv: | i agree |
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| [02:43:11] | oktiv: | i still a noob but the script looks to me like it's missing the frontend kill command. and i scared everyone off :( |
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| [02:47:12] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
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| [02:51:26] | android6011_: | I accidentally hit transcode on a recording on mythweb. How can I cancel it from mythweb and also, where can I find transcode settings |
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| [03:15:12] | Seventoes: | still can't get my Snapstream Firefly remote working :( |
| [03:15:26] | Seventoes: | it's not showing up in /proc/bus/input/devices either |
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| [03:26:30] | tmkt: | anyone have gmythmovies_0.3d.pl? |
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| [03:27:23] | tmkt: | link doesn't seem to work anymore |
| [03:28:47] | Seventoes: | how do i find out what version of ivtv i have? |
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| [03:29:52] | Wicked: | Seventoes, try "dmesg |grep -i ivtv" |
| [03:30:24] | Seventoes: | cool |
| [03:30:33] | Seventoes: | does mythbuntu have lirc and everything preinstalled? |
| [03:30:39] | [R]: | yup |
| [03:30:53] | Wicked: | check out there mythbuntu-control-center |
| [03:30:54] | Seventoes: | k i might get rid of my regular ubuntu and use that lol |
| [03:31:07] | wagnerrp: | ugh... an hour spent disassembling my keyboard and cleaning it by hand |
| [03:31:19] | Wicked: | ocd? hehe |
| [03:31:22] | wagnerrp: | i should have just run it through the dishwasher and baked it on low |
| [03:32:12] | wagnerrp: | have you ever seen all the crap under your keys? its disgusting |
| [03:32:18] | Seventoes: | apple keyboard ftw |
| [03:32:25] | Wicked: | i try not to look lol |
| [03:32:41] | wagnerrp: | all that hair and skin, built up over the previous two years |
| [03:32:54] | wagnerrp: | response-less apple keyboard ftl |
| [03:33:06] | Seventoes: | mines fine o.o |
| [03:41:00] | wagnerrp: | well now this is damned baffling |
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| [03:41:27] | wagnerrp: | i just moved 263GB off my raid, onto a spare drive |
| [03:41:35] | wagnerrp: | the array now has 188GB free |
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| [04:08:51] | bobc: | does anyone know the latest schedule for .22? |
| [04:08:59] | iamlindoro: | next day or two |
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| [04:11:01] | bobc: | awesome! thanks. I'm ready to switch but preferred to wait until the .22-fixes branch was ready. |
| [04:11:20] | bobc: | you guys have sure been busy iamlindoro |
| [04:11:45] | iamlindoro: | Indeed :) |
| [04:12:13] | bobc: | I appreciate the work you and everyone else has put into it |
| [04:12:25] | iamlindoro: | I'm just a small cog in a big machine, but thanks :) |
| [04:12:33] | wagnerrp: | little do you know, they all hired asians to do their coding, and theyre on a beach in fiji |
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| [04:40:00] | jya: | Any German speaking folks in here, able to do a quick 2 lines translation for me ? |
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| [05:32:53] | kormoc: | sphery: to add to your encyclopedia, I fixed my dvd playback by unsetting CONFIG_TICKLESS |
| [05:36:21] | wagnerrp: | tickless kernel means no dvd playback? what specifically was it doing? |
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| [05:38:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: it caused it to jerk, it'd play back for about .5 seconds correctly, then freeze for .2 and then speed up for .3 and repeat |
| [05:38:23] | kormoc: | and the audio would get all out of sync |
| [05:42:40] | wagnerrp: | i guess this would explain why alsa did not keep settings after a reboot, asound.conf is writable only by root |
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| [05:54:08] | sphery: | kormoc: Wanna post a comment on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6367 ? That may be what's causing the issue the reporter's seeing. |
| [05:57:03] | kormoc: | Quick comment posted |
| [05:57:34] | sphery: | thx |
| [05:58:48] | sphery: | kormoc: and thanks for the solution--I've been able to reproduce that with Myth and with other players (like xine) |
| [05:58:54] | sphery: | I'll have to try it myself |
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| [06:00:14] | Seventoes: | installed mythbuntu and got mode2 showing button presses on my remote, but irw still shows nothing |
| [06:01:11] | wagnerrp: | you must program your lircd.conf based off the information mode2 gives you |
| [06:01:29] | sphery: | mode 2 reads signals from the device... irw reads button info mapped to those raw signals based on lircd.conf |
| [06:01:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp's /always/ faster than me |
| [06:01:54] | wagnerrp: | also much more brief |
| [06:01:57] | kormoc: | That's what she said! |
| [06:02:16] | wagnerrp: | you talk too much |
| [06:02:19] | wagnerrp: | takes too long to type |
| [06:02:23] | Seventoes: | lol all right |
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| [06:53:24] | puff: | Hi, I have a mythbuntu box, I added a second SATA drive, now it boots, X works at first, mythtv startup screen starts, then it goes blank. |
| [06:53:28] | puff: | Ctrl-alt-shift-f1 gets me a console, I log in. |
| [06:53:33] | puff: | I think X is actually still running, but when I try mythtv-setup, I get "cannot open display: '' |
| [06:53:36] | puff: | If I set DISPLAY to 0.0, it says "cannot open display: 0.0 |
| [06:53:39] | puff: | /var/log/myth/mythfrontend.log sayS: ICE default IO errorhandler doingan exit(), pid = 3689, errno = 11 |
| [06:53:52] | puff: | /var/log/myth/mythfrontend.log sayS: ICE default IO errorhandler doingan exit(), pid = 3689, errno = 11 |
| [06:54:29] | puff: | /var/log/myth/mythfrontend.log sayS: ICE default IO errorhandler doing an exit(), pid = 3689, errno = 11 |
| [06:56:58] | Seventoes: | is there something i can use to generate a lircd.conf? |
| [06:57:44] | [R]: | Seventoes: you mean like the program that is clearly explained about in the lircd documentation/ |
| [06:57:53] | Seventoes: | probably something like that >.< |
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| [07:12:35] | Seventoes: | sweet.. got irw showing correct stuff |
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| [07:29:25] | loki_666: | one of my tickets was marked invalid because i could not get the backtrace, I did now... cut I cant reopen the ticket, should i open a new one |
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| [07:50:35] | Seventoes: | hrmm. i can't get my "OK" button in the middle of my arrow keys working |
| [07:50:43] | Seventoes: | it shows up with the proper name when pushed in irw |
| [07:51:04] | Seventoes: | and i have it mapped in ~/.mythtv/lircrc to the same as the 'Enter' button, which works just fine :( |
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| [08:25:41] | justinh: | hmm. whoever MSG'd me yesterday might want to try again |
| [08:25:55] | justinh: | though I was pretty sure I had all MSGs on ignore |
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| [08:54:34] | Caliban: | Hmm, how do I tag and delete a number of recordings in a single operation? |
| [08:54:58] | Caliban: | I thought '/' to tag, then 'd', but that deletes only the one under the cursor still. |
| [08:58:14] | clever: | i could use that too, each delete operation costs me 30+ seconds |
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| [09:00:47] | Caliban: | Docs seem to suggest this should work, but it doesn't. |
| [09:00:55] | Caliban: | Yes, deletes are slow. |
| [09:01:35] | clever: | in my case, i have undelete enabled |
| [09:01:49] | clever: | so every deleted file is simply moved to the 'Deleted' recording group (fast) |
| [09:02:03] | clever: | but i always use 'delete and rerecord later' so it has to reschedule each time |
| [09:02:30] | Caliban: | Why do you delete stuff you want rerecorded? |
| [09:03:01] | clever: | because i have 1.7gig free and it will totaly shit itself after recording just 2 hours |
| [09:03:26] | Caliban: | Wow. Time to watch some programmes. :-) |
| [09:03:43] | clever: | i am |
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| [09:49:16] | justinh: | ffs. home broadband has gone off again :-( |
| [09:50:32] | justinh: | Caliban: to delete multiple items, add them to a playlist then select playlist operations. deleting from there will do what you want |
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| [10:09:16] | pak0: | myth can scan for all movies on my database automatically? |
| [10:09:31] | pak0: | or i have to search the info one by one? |
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| [10:11:45] | justinh: | depends which version you run :P |
| [10:17:32] | justinh: | if you run trunk mythvideo can pull all the metadata down in one go AFAIK |
| [10:17:44] | justinh: | otherwise you're limited to using external scripts |
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| [10:20:18] | iMupp: | Good day channeldwellers :) |
| [10:22:30] | Deeefense: | Hi, is it somehow possible to use a different backend server than the one in the mysql db (its the same but i cant reach it through the 192.168... IP cause i'm not in the LAN) |
| [10:22:47] | justinh: | wtf? |
| [10:23:59] | iMupp: | Question.. (Or What's your opinion?) How big an issue is "no hardware MPEG encoder" on a modern system? I am pondering replacing my PVR-500 with a PVR-1100 as sweden is now on DVB-t so i only use the svideo-in of my PVR-500 anyway. Currently it's a C2D 2.8 |
| [10:24:08] | justinh: | mythtv isn't designed for use over WANs |
| [10:24:14] | iMupp: | I would guess it really doesnt matter much? |
| [10:24:19] | Deeefense: | justinh: i would like to controll my mythtv from a diferent internet access |
| [10:24:45] | Deeefense: | justinh: security issues? |
| [10:24:49] | justinh: | iMupp: DVB streams are already encoded. You get what is broadcast |
| [10:25:17] | justinh: | Deeefense: Yes. mythtv is not hardened |
| [10:25:27] | Deeefense: | justinh: why not using it over wans... i only want to set the record times |
| [10:25:35] | justinh: | so use mythweb |
| [10:25:36] | iMupp: | justinh: YEah, but I am refering to the alaouge side of the card (my S-video in). my PVR-500 is IVTV-based, and the 1100 is (as far as I can tell) bt878-based. My primary input is my svideo. |
| [10:25:46] | justinh: | iMupp: eew |
| [10:25:51] | iMupp: | Deeefense: Then do that via Mythweb? Works great for me. |
| [10:26:04] | Deeefense: | k .. |
| [10:26:14] | iMupp: | justinh: As in? :) |
| [10:26:18] | justinh: | iMupp: then encoding video on the fly will have an impact on CPU usage |
| [10:26:22] | justinh: | of course |
| [10:26:46] | iMupp: | justinh: I realize that.. Bur, a C2D 2.8 shouldnt really have an issue there... i would THINK? |
| [10:26:54] | justinh: | the question I would ask is: why not just get DVB-T tuners instead? |
| [10:27:04] | justinh: | iMupp: no, but framegrabbing SUCKS |
| [10:27:08] | iMupp: | justinh: One PCI-slot in my box ;) |
| [10:27:18] | justinh: | so get less lame hardware. NEXT |
| [10:27:47] | iMupp: | Nah, replacing my chassi is not in the cards right now.. I like it :) |
| [10:28:02] | iMupp: | the BOARD has PCIe16, PCIe1, 2xPCI |
| [10:28:12] | justinh: | anyway why replace a card with an inferior model? |
| [10:28:38] | iMupp: | justinh: to be able to access the DVB that i USED to pick up via RF... |
| [10:28:45] | justinh: | it's not as if you can use DVB-T AND analogue video inputs at the same time on those stupid HVR cards anyway |
| [10:28:51] | iMupp: | But, i suppose i could get a DVB-T usb-stick instead. |
| [10:29:11] | iMupp: | justinh: Huh? You sure? I tohught the Analouge/DVB-sides ver independant? |
| [10:29:39] | justinh: | not on THAT card |
| [10:29:59] | iMupp: | Right... HVR1100-idea is officially scrapped. Thanks. |
| [10:30:20] | justinh: | hybrid cards generally only let you use one part of the card at a time |
| [10:30:29] | justinh: | which is why they SUCK IMHO :P |
| [10:30:50] | justinh: | there are one or two which work as 'dual' tuners though |
| [10:31:00] | justinh: | but not the HVR-1100, not the HVR-1300 |
| [10:31:35] | iMupp: | And, the 1100 was in a sale-bin.. I could have picket it up for $20-or-so |
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| [10:33:25] | iMupp: | Right.. PVR-500 stays, and I'll look for a DVB-T-USB. |
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| [10:38:08] | justinh: | there are some dvb-t PCI-e tuners which work in linux now ya know |
| [10:38:30] | justinh: | see the linuxtv.org wiki |
| [10:38:51] | ** stuarta waves ** | |
| [10:39:03] | ** justinh waves at stuarta ** | |
| [10:42:08] | justinh: | bah. When vermin meeja works it's great. when it goes down, by God it's down :-( |
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| [10:50:31] | justinh: | a street round the corner from my house has been dug up – bet that's got something to do with the TV, internet & phone being knocked off |
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| [11:05:18] | PhoenixMage: | Does mythtv support Storage Groups |
| [11:05:19] | PhoenixMage: | ? |
| [11:05:26] | PhoenixMage: | Or if not, will it in the future? |
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| [11:09:26] | PhoenixMage: | sorry I meant mythweb |
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| [11:56:15] | justinh: | PhoenixMage: Probably a safe bet that it will in future support SGs |
| [11:56:32] | justinh: | as for *when*... that's anybody's guess |
| [11:57:20] | justinh: | nobody really uses flash streaming or video links do they? ;-) |
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| [12:02:59] | justinh: | hey maybe somebody could write a FUSE module to use mythtv storage groups |
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| [12:22:22] | Caliban: | justinh1: thanks for the tip. Strange that you need to tag, add to playlist and then delete, rather than just tag and delete. But thanks, anyway. |
| [12:24:33] | justinh1: | tagging IS adding to the playlist AFAIK |
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| [12:25:37] | justinh: | I use it all the time. Be careful if you use ext3 & haven't enabled slow file deletes though. Wiping out hundreds of GB in one go can result in IO-boundedness :P |
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| [12:27:12] | justinh: | hmm. No use getting into FlashForward, it would seem. It's cancelled |
| [12:28:37] | justinh: | or not. bloody 'friend' winding me up. Bastard aunt |
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| [12:31:26] | tmkt: | :D |
| [12:31:34] | tmkt: | had me pissed off again for a few seconds |
| [12:32:30] | justinh: | episode 3 was a bit Zzzzzzz I thought |
| [12:33:16] | justinh: | and blighted by pixellation. Transmission problems with Five apparently since it affected more than one area :-\ |
| [12:34:34] | justinh: | repeated on Friday IIRC |
| [12:36:10] | justinh: | seems Five are beginning to seriously encroach on ITV1's ratings. Muhahahaha |
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| [12:39:37] | tmkt: | yeha...the 2nd one..for some reason i'm missing about 20 minutes of it in the recordings |
| [12:40:02] | tmkt: | when they go into the doll factory |
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| [12:40:12] | tmkt: | and then the girl cop gets shot |
| [12:40:18] | tmkt: | have no clue what happens after that |
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| [12:44:11] | ExElNeT: | is it possible to show categories in the tree view on the left hand site? |
| [12:50:10] | mag0o: | ExElNeT: if you're referencing mythvideo, yes, it is possible, but would require whoever wants it moved to rewrite the xml that draws the categories to place them on the left hand side |
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| [13:58:35] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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| [14:03:46] | resno: | hello |
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| [14:14:59] | mkrufky: | is it tuesday yet? |
| [14:15:01] | justinh: | it's all gorn quiet, said Custard |
| [14:15:14] | justinh: | mkrufky: it is, but IT isn't Tuesday anymore :P |
| [14:15:21] | mkrufky: | yeah i figured |
| [14:15:35] | mkrufky: | HAD to ask tho, of course ;-) |
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| [14:19:18] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, FWIW It's looking more like Wednesday (or at the outside, Thursday) now :) |
| [14:19:50] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, Not because there are any big outstanding issues, but because there were one or two biggish fixes yesterday that people want to see in action for a day or two |
| [14:20:10] | mkrufky: | wow awesome |
| [14:20:25] | mkrufky: | i figured NOT tuesday could mean something like......... next tuesday |
| [14:20:26] | mkrufky: | or |
| [14:20:30] | mkrufky: | next month |
| [14:20:34] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [14:20:40] | janneg: | mkrufky: in a couple of days, we fixed yesterday a couple of bugs and will wait to see if it has ill effects |
| [14:20:49] | mkrufky: | very nice |
| [14:20:59] | ** anykey__ wonders if livetv VDPAU gets fixed :( ** | |
| [14:21:29] | janneg: | anykey__: unlikely if it's not fixed now |
| [14:21:44] | mkrufky: | who invented SALT bagels? i need to go drink the entire water cooler, brb |
| [14:22:45] | janneg: | and I wouldn't count on thursday I would say before next tuesday, probably this week |
| [14:23:11] | janneg: | I don't know where the tuesday came from. it was not my proposal |
| [14:23:56] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Think it was inferred from the freeze Sunday, release a few days later |
| [14:24:04] | iamlindoro: | er branch |
| [14:24:22] | mkrufky: | lol thats ok ... so long as its before january ill be happy |
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| [14:27:14] | janneg: | iamlindoro: yes, it was possible interpretation. There was probably a "if we think it's ready" in there |
| [14:29:17] | iamlindoro: | indeed :) I'm not stressed out, another few days won't kill anyone at this point |
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| [14:33:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro: pity ;-) |
| [14:33:09] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [14:33:27] | justinh: | I mean pity some more wait won't kill anybody |
| [14:33:49] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I understood ;) |
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| [14:34:13] | justinh: | well, that's another perspex bracket made to support the junk sata adapter board in a product |
| [14:34:15] | iamlindoro: | Which would be okay only if I was allowed to make the list |
| [14:34:48] | justinh: | see if it survives vibration testing longer than 30 seconds tomorrow |
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| [14:35:24] | highzeth: | Are there known issues with the scanner in trunk? It fails with a cannot get lock when trying to add spesific transponder(s), Ive only tried S2 transponders. They lock fine using scan-s2. |
| [14:35:49] | janneg: | people will die if we postpone the release |
| [14:36:01] | janneg: | but I doubt we can blame it on the release |
| [14:36:50] | janneg: | highzeth: which card? which transponder? |
| [14:38:10] | resno: | is acpi wakeup the best method to make my power hungry computer sleep? |
| [14:38:19] | resno: | best = most recommended |
| [14:39:38] | highzeth: | janneg: Tevii S460 & TT-S2–1600 both display the same behaviour, Canal+ HDTV transponders only; http://cp.ohhh.no/p/m39eb316c. Using latest v4l-dvb. |
| [14:39:41] | justinh: | whichever one works! |
| [14:40:20] | resno: | justinh: there are just so many steps to get it working... why cant myth do it for me.... ;) |
| [14:40:26] | justinh: | if any of the methods works reliably at all, that is |
| [14:40:49] | justinh: | it's a bit like asking "what should my favourite colour be?" otherwise |
| [14:40:52] | resno: | is just a case by case basis? |
| [14:42:34] | resno: | how long have you all be working/deving with myth? |
| [14:43:06] | janneg: | highzeth: which parameters do you use in mythtv's scan dialog. the frontend of whose cards is a little bit picky in DVB-S2 mode and may need fully specified parameters |
| [14:44:41] | highzeth: | I use them "as-is", I did try w & w/o spesifying FEC, didnt make a diff. Or am I missing something? =) |
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| [14:45:22] | justinh: | new WD media player thing.. has a "clunky and inconsistent" UI. Pity, the screenshots look ok |
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| [14:50:28] | justinh: | won't be buying any more '3' credits when these run out. Meh |
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| [14:53:41] | janneg: | highzeth: you have to specify the FEC and I think the modulation too, and setting the modulation system to DVB-S2 |
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| [14:55:12] | justinh: | heh. that's the home internet back on I think |
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| [14:56:57] | highzeth: | janneg: I'll give it another go now, thx |
| [14:59:26] | highzeth: | janneg: modulation you say, where is that set? Almost seems to me that the Tevii is detected as a dvb-s only. I got freq, polarity, sr, fec & inversion options only. |
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| [15:01:12] | janneg: | highzeth: you can't use DVB-S2 transponders then, which mythtv version do you use? |
| [15:01:56] | ExElNeT: | mag0o: ah ok so i have to modify which xml? i mean atm its only displaying one folder but no category at all... |
| [15:02:30] | justinh: | depends which view you're in! |
| [15:02:33] | highzeth: | janneg: r22380, wiped all tuners after upgrade from -fixes, re-added them. |
| [15:02:36] | justinh: | gallery view, tree view... |
| [15:03:14] | ExElNeT: | justinh: meant me? tree view... i would like a treeview with categories on the left |
| [15:03:18] | ExElNeT: | or right.. |
| [15:03:24] | highzeth: | janneg: Had to fix the db(latin1) before it upgraded, could that be affecting this in any way? |
| [15:03:25] | ExElNeT: | but left would be more common |
| [15:03:46] | janneg: | highzeth: is the card reported as DVB-S2 or DVB-S? which kernel/dvb drivers if not from the kernel |
| [15:04:13] | janneg: | highzeth: no especially not if you recreated the capture cards |
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| [15:04:40] | justinh: | ExElNeT: so you need to edit video-ui.xml |
| [15:05:25] | highzeth: | thats the funky thing about the Tevii, its reported as a DVB-S in the dvb/tuner dialog, but in the v4l dialog its reported with full name and DVB-S/S2. |
| [15:06:21] | highzeth: | janneg: tried under .28, .30 kernels and with latest v4l-dvb hg |
| [15:07:09] | highzeth: | the tevii is detected as a dvb-s2 in for instance tvheadend, and works a-ok with above transponders and channels there |
| [15:07:10] | ExElNeT: | justinh: okj thanks |
| [15:07:15] | ExElNeT: | btw whats the default theme? |
| [15:07:23] | janneg: | plain .28 wouldn't work, with .30 or latest v4l-dvb hg it should be detected as DVB-S2 |
| [15:08:42] | highzeth: | janneg: thats the thing, its detected as DVB-S2 in other s2api applications, so Im a bit stumped. =) |
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| [15:09:50] | simonckenyon: | is there anythin in particular that we should be testing prior to "the release"? and does it have a trendy name like all the other FOSS projects do these days? |
| [15:10:25] | wagnerrp: | 'all other foss projects' meaning 'ubuntu'? |
| [15:10:37] | simonckenyon: | and the kernel |
| [15:10:45] | wombo: | Trendy name = 'Mythtv 0.22' |
| [15:11:18] | simonckenyon: | oh all right – just thought it might be good for some column inches |
| [15:11:25] | wagnerrp: | 'new hotness'? |
| [15:13:35] | justinh: | who's seeking publicity? |
| [15:13:35] | janneg: | highzeth: I know that the Tevii works, are you sure you recreated the card with .30? |
| [15:14:05] | highzeth: | yessir, both under .28 & .30(used latest v4l-dvb in both scenarios) |
| [15:14:55] | highzeth: | MBE runs .28, SBE's run .30, have swapped hw between em to verify outcome |
| [15:14:58] | simonckenyon: | ok – it was a bad idea |
| [15:15:32] | justinh: | simonckenyon: you can do whatever you want to help promote mythtv. chances are nobody will take any notice or thank you for it :) |
| [15:15:36] | resno: | wagnerrp: everyone else has some sort of naming convention for releases, maybe we should jump on that bandwagon |
| [15:15:53] | justinh: | maybe 'we' don't have a say :P |
| [15:16:17] | justinh: | well, 'we' could have a say if 'we' forked it |
| [15:16:34] | wombo: | lol, just for the purpose of giving it a name |
| [15:16:46] | justinh: | lamner things have happened |
| [15:17:01] | justinh: | that really would be a 'friendly' work I bet lol |
| [15:17:34] | resno: | heh |
| [15:17:44] | justinh: | e.g. reciprocating project names.. get rid of them |
| [15:17:55] | justinh: | i.e. LAME et al |
| [15:18:02] | resno: | can yall help me with an unreleated bash command? |
| [15:18:17] | wombo: | just name each release after a devs nick |
| [15:18:25] | rwat: | is there known to be any problem with 2.6.31–13 on ubuntu? |
| [15:18:28] | wombo: | resno, ask away |
| [15:18:40] | wombo: | rwat, what is the problem? |
| [15:18:42] | rwat: | not getting a lock |
| [15:18:51] | rwat: | dvb |
| [15:19:01] | wagnerrp: | since when does the kernel get named? |
| [15:19:03] | wombo: | I havent had that problem and im running Mythbuntu 9.10 beta |
| [15:19:18] | resno: | i asked on ubunutu irc, but got less then a response... |
| [15:19:21] | resno: | ive written this bash script to excute these two commands into seperate terminals instances but it only runs on the one i called the script from. http://paste.ubuntu.com/292435/ |
| [15:19:31] | wombo: | resno, try #mythbuntu |
| [15:19:48] | wagnerrp: | resno: thats the exact script? |
| [15:20:00] | resno: | wombo: yes, thats what ive written? |
| [15:20:16] | resno: | never written a bash script before |
| [15:20:20] | wagnerrp: | you have to find some flag in gnome-terminal that lets you execute a list of commands |
| [15:20:27] | rwat: | I tried 2.6.28 and all the devices are not properly made – /dev/dvb0.frontend0 etc |
| [15:20:41] | resno: | wagnerrp: ah, thats what i was missing... |
| [15:20:43] | wagnerrp: | for instance "gnome-terminal -c 'cd <whatever>; python manage.py runserver'" |
| [15:20:46] | rwat: | that is fine in .31 but it just doesn't work :( |
| [15:21:00] | wagnerrp: | or you need to have it call another script containing those commands |
| [15:21:34] | wagnerrp: | you may also need to background it |
| [15:21:42] | wagnerrp: | so the script doesnt block, waiting for it to close |
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| [15:22:13] | wombo: | rwat, im currently running -11 and it all seems ok |
| [15:22:29] | CShadowRun: | Is there anything specific i should look for in a drive for a mythtv box besides cheap, large? |
| [15:22:37] | wombo: | rwat, try asking in the #mythbuntu channel they might know |
| [15:22:46] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: thats about it |
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| [15:22:59] | j-rod: | if its in the living room, quiet also helps |
| [15:23:02] | wombo: | CShadowRun, Cheap, Large sometimes also Reliable and quite |
| [15:23:04] | rwat: | wombo: is that 2.6.28–11 or 2.6.31–11? |
| [15:23:09] | wombo: | 31–11 |
| [15:23:20] | rwat: | ok thanks |
| [15:23:41] | j-rod: | rwat: is there any kernel where your device *does* work? |
| [15:23:47] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: you may want to pick up some of the 'green' or otherwise low RPM drives |
| [15:23:50] | j-rod: | might be a newly-support and/or poorly supported device |
| [15:24:04] | wagnerrp: | especially if this machine is going to sit in your living room next to your TV |
| [15:24:10] | CShadowRun: | yea, most drives have 3 years manufacturer warranty anyway, and it's going in a basement backend |
| [15:24:13] | CShadowRun: | ooo, green |
| [15:24:28] | themadhatter: | hey all |
| [15:24:37] | rwat: | j-rod: device worked fine before upgrade to karmic |
| [15:24:52] | wagnerrp: | low rpm drives just run at about half power |
| [15:25:01] | themadhatter: | qq, if i have a myth box back end, how many front end machines are able to watch tv from that box? |
| [15:25:02] | wagnerrp: | meaning a decent amount less heat you have to deal with |
| [15:25:11] | j-rod: | rwat: what device, and what kernel was working? |
| [15:25:22] | themadhatter: | and can they all be watching different channels |
| [15:25:23] | resno: | wagnerrp: have you used any green drives? |
| [15:25:29] | CShadowRun: | half power is good |
| [15:25:30] | wombo: | themadhatter, thats the idea |
| [15:25:33] | wagnerrp: | themadhatter: as many frontends as your network can support will be able to watch recordings |
| [15:25:44] | wagnerrp: | only as many frontends as you have tuners will be able to watch tv |
| [15:25:54] | wombo: | ^^^ better response than mine |
| [15:25:55] | wagnerrp: | resno: no, not personally |
| [15:26:00] | justinh: | livetv is overrated |
| [15:26:07] | wagnerrp: | i did have an old 5400RPM 120GB drive |
| [15:26:13] | mag0o: | ive got one of the wd green 1tb drives |
| [15:26:41] | resno: | mag0o: do they look/act any different from a non-green drive? |
| [15:26:55] | wagnerrp: | slightly slower response time |
| [15:27:00] | rwat: | j-rod: device is a cheap kworld dvb tuner, using the dibusb driver |
| [15:27:08] | wagnerrp: | youre talking a couple extra milliseconds |
| [15:27:11] | wombo: | rwat other chan |
| [15:27:17] | mag0o: | i havent noticed anything different, but i dont do anything special either, just record to it and watch from it |
| [15:27:25] | wagnerrp: | so its better to choose a file system that has a longer write cache |
| [15:27:25] | resno: | wagnerrp: each millisecond counts! |
| [15:27:47] | themadhatter: | wagnerrp: so each front would need its own tuner? would the front end still be able to watch tv over the network or does it connect to the backend with coax or something else |
| [15:27:52] | wagnerrp: | resno: only if youre doing a bunch of small I/O |
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| [15:28:13] | wagnerrp: | themadhatter: this is all listed in the documentation |
| [15:28:18] | resno: | wagnerrp: i was kidding. |
| [15:28:19] | wagnerrp: | one livetv session per tuner |
| [15:28:37] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv connects over whatever form of *reliable* network you want |
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| [15:29:09] | wagnerrp: | if your video bitrates are low enough for token ring, then sure, you can connect to your backend using coax |
| [15:29:26] | resno: | wow, token ring. |
| [15:29:46] | wombo: | My work still builds coax networks, all the time :) |
| [15:30:02] | wombo: | gotta love 1 inch coax cables that litterly dont bend |
| [15:30:12] | justinh: | litterly. lol |
| [15:30:16] | wombo: | hehe |
| [15:31:43] | wagnerrp: | themadhatter: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview is a good place to start |
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| [15:33:20] | ExElNeT: | justinh: hmm after looking into the code im not sure where to start... how can i find out which part of the xml belongs to the view on the left side...? (where you can prolly scroll through folders if selected) |
| [15:33:49] | wagnerrp: | ExElNeT: weve got a special channel for you... #mythtv-theming |
| [15:33:49] | mag0o: | ExElNeT: <window name="tree"> |
| [15:34:07] | justinh: | yeah take it to the channel I'm not in :) |
| [15:34:18] | mag0o: | /sajoin justinh #mythtv-theming |
| [15:34:37] | justinh: | !trout mag0o |
| [15:34:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps mag0o with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [15:34:46] | mag0o: | :) |
| [15:35:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh: (Reading the scrollback) You mean joining a project's IRC channel isn't enough to be a part of the "we"? What is this world coming to??? ;) |
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| [15:36:57] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I'm pretty sure registering your nick with freenode is enough to get a full core dev vote on any project, right? ;) |
| [15:37:01] | wagnerrp: | maybe they just refer to themselves in the plural |
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| [15:37:24] | wagnerrp: | theyve got multiple people up there in that brain |
| [15:38:15] | justinh: | maybe folks have seen 'people' in here refer to themselves & fellow devs as 'we' so assumed... |
| [15:38:50] | justinh: | hahaha like mythtv is some kind of democracy :P |
| [15:39:18] | wagnerrp: | its a devrocracy |
| [15:39:29] | justinh: | which it is, in the same way the Freemasons are a democracy :P |
| [15:39:54] | wagnerrp: | 'do as "we" say or "we" hit you with a hammer'? |
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| [15:40:12] | wombo: | Is that the same the the DPRK is democratic? |
| [15:40:53] | themadhatter: | wagnerrp: thanks! |
| [15:41:07] | ExElNeT: | mag0o: ah thanks... by try and error i found out its called videotree, but apart from changing the way it looks im not sure how to change the input from files to categories... :=) |
| [15:41:30] | wagnerrp: | wombo: sure, they just have a strange counting mechanism |
| [15:41:57] | wagnerrp: | everyone votes, and those ballots get burned in a fire, and some mad midget smells the smoke and make a decision |
| [15:42:39] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT: What version of myth are you running? |
| [15:43:32] | ExElNeT: | iamlindoro: 0.21 |
| [15:43:44] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT: Then the short answer is you cannot view by category |
| [15:43:48] | wagnerrp: | theres no point theming against 0.21 |
| [15:43:58] | iamlindoro: | It is possible in the soon-to-be-released .22 |
| [15:44:04] | iamlindoro: | and doesn't require theme manipulation |
| [15:44:34] | ExElNeT: | iamlindoro: ok ... that was my first guess... maybe i ll just update to upstream... |
| [15:44:44] | tmkt: | next tuesday? |
| [15:44:51] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT: Youreally really ought to wait until .22 is actually released |
| [15:45:03] | wagnerrp: | they were shooting for this tuesday |
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| [15:48:17] | resno: | ive written this bash script to excute these two commands into seperate terminals instances but it only runs on the one i called the script from. http://paste.ubuntu.com/292435/ |
| [15:48:22] | resno: | sorry wrong window |
| [15:48:40] | iamlindoro: | oobe: I think you have version and milestone confused when opening tickets-- version is where you should put "head", milestone is meant to be when we intend to have it fixed-- setting it is like telling us when we should have it done by, oh, and that we should get you a coffee too |
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| [15:50:09] | ExElNeT: | iamlindoro: well the question is if working with an unsupported stable is better than working with a near to be unreleased unstable... |
| [15:50:37] | iamlindoro: | ExElNeT: Getting a browse by category is *not* a good reason to switch to development code |
| [15:50:43] | iamlindoro: | it's not released yet for a reason |
| [15:50:58] | iamlindoro: | And on something so trivial, you can wait the three to four days it will be until it's released |
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| [15:53:31] | ExElNeT: | iamlindoro: well, this might be a minor reason, but paired with some other issues it might be worth it... :=) maybe i ll just wait... |
| [15:53:55] | iamlindoro: | You should. By the time you accomplished the upgrade, you'd have to repeat it again as the final version would be out |
| [15:54:13] | iamlindoro: | (should wait, that is) |
| [15:56:02] | ** j-rod upgrades almost daily right now... ** | |
| [15:57:31] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: You are a different class of user ;) |
| [15:57:55] | j-rod: | true |
| [16:00:27] | j-rod: | hrm, going to have to update my build scripts shortly... |
| [16:00:57] | j-rod: | and push f10 and f11 updates-testing 0.22 builds |
| [16:02:17] | resno: | do yall think the update will break my myth? .21? |
| [16:02:29] | resno: | yall... i sound so country |
| [16:02:35] | sid3windr: | yes yes yall |
| [16:03:04] | iamlindoro: | resno: why would an upgrade break your setup? the only way that could happen would be if your personal setup was broken to begin with |
| [16:03:48] | iamlindoro: | Myth is designed to upgrade to newer DB schema/backend protocols, and one of the devs has done a buttload of work to make sure even broken DBs can make the upgrade-- but if it's well and truly screwed up, the upgrade failing wouldn't be myth's fault ;) |
| [16:03:54] | resno: | iamlindoro: the reason i ask is becuase i did an OS upgrade once and it broke a whole bunch of other things. so i was curious how myth and linux would run. |
| [16:04:31] | ** j-rod soccer & ** | |
| [16:04:49] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't have any control over how your OS upgrade goes ;) |
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| [16:05:04] | resno: | iamlindoro: true. |
| [16:05:04] | iamlindoro: | Nor does it have any control over what some yahoo packager decides to do |
| [16:05:25] | sphery: | that dev still has a lot of work to do, as the post "corrupt data – mythtv .21 -> .22-trunk" on -users list happened to point out... |
| [16:05:32] | iamlindoro: | but myth, in and of itself, is capable of cleanly upgrading-- assuming the thing it's trying to upgrade from isn't hopelessly screwed |
| [16:05:36] | resno: | just wondering if the irc line will jump on release day |
| [16:05:51] | sphery: | yep, if your database is done properly, it will upgrade properly |
| [16:06:21] | sphery: | but, the best approach is to wait until release, then use all the resources/combined information from all the users who are doing the upgrade at the same time as you |
| [16:06:39] | resno: | i dont intend to jump the official release. |
| [16:06:43] | sphery: | that also means you'll have to read the messages on the -users list while upgrading, but for a couple days... |
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| [16:17:36] | iamlindoro: | branchity branch branch |
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| [16:18:27] | wagnerrp: | i imagine im not going to be liked around the house if i dont migrate over to 0.22-fixes |
| [16:19:28] | wagnerrp: | the recording/video stuff is probably going to cause significant breakage |
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| [16:25:51] | Josh_Borke: | hm, jrod maintains mythtv in fedora? |
| [16:26:05] | GreyFoxx: | I think so |
| [16:26:44] | Josh_Borke: | that's cool :D |
| [16:27:07] | Josh_Borke: | it's my platform of choice, so now i know who to contact |
| [16:28:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure he'd love that |
| [16:29:06] | iamlindoro: | I bet he'd probably much prefer that bugs/support requests be lodged through their bug trackers/support forums than being personally contacted |
| [16:29:08] | Josh_Borke: | me too, it's a good thing i don't like to really talk to people about my problems :D |
| [16:29:33] | Josh_Borke: | job well done doesn't mesh into a bug imo |
| [16:30:03] | iamlindoro: | You could post one of those on their forums, too ;) |
| [16:30:27] | iamlindoro: | Personally, I start ignoring people who make unsolicited contact, YMMV |
| [16:30:33] | wagnerrp: | so 22424 is it? |
| [16:30:38] | oobe: | iamlindoro, can i change the ticket or is that a comment for future reference |
| [16:30:47] | iamlindoro: | oobe: for future reference |
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| [16:31:31] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Could be, though nobody has declared it the actual release just yet |
| [16:32:42] | oobe: | thanks |
| [16:32:48] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:34:00] | oobe: | did it seem reasonable apart from that or is more info required |
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| [16:50:24] | walidus_: | hi who can help me with my mythTV configuration? |
| [16:51:02] | resno: | walidus_: dont ask to ask. just ask! |
| [16:51:58] | tmkt: | walidus_: iamlindoro |
| [16:52:30] | walidus_: | in backend with my configuration setup found some channels, but in frontend my device is unavailable |
| [16:52:38] | ** iamlindoro glares at tmkt ** | |
| [16:53:05] | walidus_: | device was tested on tvtime, it's working |
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| [16:53:43] | walidus_: | device – analog tv tuner – avertv hybrid volar hx |
| [16:53:59] | wagnerrp: | you are running the backend? |
| [16:54:52] | wagnerrp: | your backend is run by a user with permission to access the device? (preferably the same user that ran mythtv-setup) |
| [16:55:57] | walidus_: | in top it's "mythtv-setup.real" |
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| [16:56:17] | walidus_: | there is found channels |
| [16:56:22] | wagnerrp: | then you need to talk to #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [16:58:11] | sphery: | walidus_: if you still see mythtv-setup.real running, it means you're likely not running mythbackend |
| [16:58:28] | sphery: | exit mythtv-setup and let it restart mythbackend |
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| [17:00:48] | walidus_: | sorry my mistake |
| [17:01:26] | walidus_: | my user is in video group witch has permissions |
| [17:01:38] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu does a lot of stuff that is meant to automate setup and make things easier on the users, but at the same time it makes things harder to people not familiar with that system |
| [17:02:18] | highzeth: | janneg: another oddity; http://cp.ohhh.no/p/md354bfc it works tho, 1w, 5e, 13e & 19.2e switches with no hickups in livetv |
| [17:03:15] | highzeth: | janneg: regular 4/1 DiSEqC(1.0) setup on that tuner |
| [17:03:22] | wagnerrp: | oof... killed a machine |
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| [17:16:48] | gbee: | don't know how many of you are Mac users, but if you are thinking of upgrading to 10.6 you might want to read this first – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm |
| [17:17:04] | gbee: | </public_service_announcement> |
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| [17:17:40] | laga: | gbee: i haven't had that much fun in a while... |
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| [17:20:15] | iamlindoro: | Come on now, you can't expect them to test sure wild permutations as a second account |
| [17:20:24] | iamlindoro: | s/sure// |
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| [17:21:16] | justinh: | s/sure\ wild\permutations\ as\ a\second\ account// |
| [17:21:29] | iamlindoro: | ha |
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| [17:21:44] | gbee: | both Apple and MS are having a _really_ bad day, coincidentally for the same reason :) |
| [17:21:50] | laga: | MS? |
| [17:21:57] | justinh: | the perils of shared code? :-P |
| [17:22:13] | wagnerrp: | gbee: theres a difference |
| [17:22:26] | wagnerrp: | MS lost the 'cloud' data, Apple deleted it off the actual device |
| [17:22:50] | gbee: | they own the company that wrote software for the Sidekick, and they lost all their users data (photos, emails, address books etc) |
| [17:22:54] | justinh: | well, nobody can get it right *all* the time |
| [17:23:14] | sid3windr: | well, you can't expect them to take backups of their systems |
| [17:23:31] | wagnerrp: | no, they just lost the online backup, users' devices are still perfectly functional otherwise |
| [17:23:37] | laga: | ah, danger |
| [17:23:41] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well sure if you want to be picky, but then the sidekick doesn't store that data locally (only temporary caches) |
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| [17:23:52] | justinh: | serves em right for being smug mac owners IMHO |
| [17:23:53] | Dagmar: | Just... don't let the battery die. |
| [17:23:54] | wagnerrp: | oh? didnt know that part |
| [17:23:57] | Dagmar: | ...and don't reset it. |
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| [17:24:16] | Dagmar: | Whatever's on your phone is all you get to keep |
| [17:24:19] | gbee: | wagnerrp: users are fine so long as they don't let the battery die or remove it ... |
| [17:24:20] | justinh: | jealousy plays a part in my dislike of mac fans. Jealous I don't have that much disposable income |
| [17:24:25] | Dagmar: | I suppose Paris Hilton is glad. |
| [17:24:39] | gbee: | but only for data they viewed recently and which is therefore cached |
| [17:24:47] | wagnerrp: | right, they get to keep whatever is on their phone, i figured that would be nearly all the content for most people |
| [17:24:58] | wagnerrp: | but the phone only has a small amount of internal memory? |
| [17:25:10] | justinh: | depends |
| [17:25:11] | AndrewNC: | justinh: I think many "mac user" mac owners have massive debt |
| [17:25:12] | gbee: | wagnerrp: apparently, small volatile memory |
| [17:25:22] | mgisbers is now known as mgisbers_away | |
| [17:25:27] | justinh: | no flash? heheh fail |
| [17:25:35] | gbee: | which you'd think would be very bad for power consumption |
| [17:25:38] | wagnerrp: | sounds like my Palm |
| [17:25:51] | wagnerrp: | of course that will run for months if i dont use it |
| [17:25:59] | laga: | justinh: the ihpone doesnt have flash either.. |
| [17:26:03] | justinh: | see, all these cloud evangelists might actually start seeing sense |
| [17:26:19] | wagnerrp: | laga: youre claiming the iphone has 8/16GB of RAM? |
| [17:26:20] | kormoc: | AndrewNC: Massive Debt eh? |
| [17:26:31] | justinh: | I doubt it though, since cloud stuff is the best thing since sliced bread |
| [17:26:35] | justinh: | allegedly |
| [17:26:36] | wagnerrp: | oh... no adobe flash |
| [17:26:38] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [17:26:46] | justinh: | and anybody who disagrees is a heretic :P |
| [17:27:27] | wagnerrp: | i still dont understand how the 'cloud' is any different from a normal data center |
| [17:27:39] | laga: | wagnerrp: i was j/k |
| [17:27:42] | wagnerrp: | youre just not renting space on someone else's data center |
| [17:27:43] | gbee: | as if I'd ever trust my data to someone else (especially not firms like Google who just want to rifle through my laundry) |
| [17:27:51] | wagnerrp: | laga: right, i didnt get the joke at first |
| [17:28:06] | kormoc: | AndrewNC: So I have a Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, iPod Touch, and not a single one was on credit, so I doubt you can attribute my debt to my apple hardware/software |
| [17:28:10] | gbee: | wagnerrp: it's mostly just spin |
| [17:28:36] | laga: | kormoc: if you had bought beige x86 boxen, you could have paid off your debt ;) |
| [17:28:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: why not put it on credit? |
| [17:28:37] | justinh: | next-big-thing-itis I call it |
| [17:28:46] | justinh: | like virtualisation |
| [17:28:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: I don't have enough credit for a single machine, yet alone all of them :P |
| [17:29:03] | AndyCap: | of course, only Vendor X has the cloud, Vendor Y has imitation cloud |
| [17:29:05] | gbee: | kormoc: but you paid the food bills on credit because buying all that Apple hardware used all your cash? |
| [17:29:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, you did it all at once |
| [17:29:24] | wagnerrp: | i mean assuming you pay off your card at the end of the month |
| [17:29:32] | wagnerrp: | credit is basically a FREE one month load |
| [17:29:34] | kormoc: | laga: heh, nah, when I got the Mac Pro, I did the numbers, was pretty much the same as if I'd build it myself with similar hardware |
| [17:29:35] | AndrewNC: | kormoc: I didn't say "ALL" mac user types, and I own several Apple devices as well on no debt |
| [17:29:37] | wagnerrp: | there are no downsides |
| [17:29:39] | Dagmar: | Only if you have AMEX |
| [17:29:44] | kormoc: | gbee: heh, nah :) |
| [17:29:45] | wagnerrp: | *loan |
| [17:30:13] | justinh: | if I still lived with my folks (HA!) I could have all kinds of stuff :P |
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| [17:30:15] | AndrewNC: | I was refering to the hipster "in your face I'm a mac user" types |
| [17:30:15] | justinh: | damn mortgage |
| [17:31:00] | AndrewNC: | justinh: yeah, mortgage is equal to hardware candy store each month |
| [17:31:35] | AndyCap: | of course, now you can get AppleCredit® |
| [17:31:55] | AndrewNC: | AndyCap: that has been around for years |
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| [17:32:46] | AndrewNC: | my first mac purchase was back when I had no credit history, so they declined me, I said fine and paid cash |
| [17:33:17] | AndrewNC: | rep called a week later saying they would qualify me for a lesser purchase, I told him I alread bought the powerbook |
| [17:33:36] | AndrewNC: | apparently the call center did not script for that event... |
| [17:33:42] | AndyCap: | Hehe |
| [17:33:45] | wagnerrp: | you should have taken the hint, youre not good enough for an apple... :P |
| [17:33:59] | Hodapp: | I have never bought anything on credit... I probably should build up a credit rating at some point though. |
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| [17:34:15] | Saviq: | guys is there a way to trigger auto expiration of recordings? I have 100GB set in the preferences, plenty of recordings marked for auto expiration and suddenly 17GB free :/ |
| [17:34:23] | AndrewNC: | using an amazon card as a charge card = free books |
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| [17:49:32] | justinh: | Saviq: the default is to start expiring at a 1GB threshold |
| [17:49:54] | Saviq: | justinh: yeah I know, but I have set the 'additional free space' to 100 |
| [17:50:12] | justinh: | might need a BE restart to take effect |
| [17:50:22] | Saviq: | and anyway yesterday it didn't even start expiring at 1GB |
| [17:50:31] | Saviq: | it filled my fs to the brim |
| [17:50:51] | Saviq: | had to remove some of the oldest by hand |
| [17:51:04] | Dagmar: | It does afaik |
| [17:51:13] | Dagmar: | You removed files by hand? |
| [17:51:17] | Saviq: | no |
| [17:51:20] | Dagmar: | As in you manually rm'd them? |
| [17:51:31] | Dagmar: | "<Saviq> had to remove some of the oldest by hand" |
| [17:51:38] | Dagmar: | Don't do that |
| [17:51:41] | Saviq: | through webmyth |
| [17:51:46] | sphery: | Saviq: it only expires when recording |
| [17:51:47] | Saviq: | mythweb or whatever |
| [17:51:53] | sphery: | so if something else is filling your filesystem... |
| [17:51:54] | Saviq: | sphery: oh? |
| [17:52:02] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:52:10] | Saviq: | that might explain this a bit |
| [17:52:12] | Dagmar: | Ah more "why isn't the backend psychic" errors |
| [17:52:27] | Saviq: | but still, it was recording several other shows today |
| [17:52:41] | sphery: | Saviq: actually, more specifically, it only expires when recording to /that/ filesystem |
| [17:52:42] | Saviq: | and didn't expire any |
| [17:52:46] | Dagmar: | Let us know when it fails to record because it gets a write error on a full disk |
| [17:52:48] | Saviq: | yes, I only have one |
| [17:53:00] | sphery: | Saviq: are your shows actually marked to allow autoexpire |
| [17:53:15] | Saviq: | Dagmar: it did |
| [17:53:20] | Saviq: | sphery: yes |
| [17:53:27] | Saviq: | and many of the watched |
| [17:53:51] | Saviq: | shouldn't be relevant, though, because I don't have the 'watched before unwatched' set |
| [17:54:00] | Dagmar: | fun. |
| [17:54:11] | Dagmar: | Mine's been expiring things on it's own fine for over a year |
| [17:54:45] | wagnerrp: | was there a schema bump i missed somewhere in the last hundred revisions? |
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| [17:55:02] | sphery: | Saviq: and when you go into your mythfrontend Information Center|System Status and select Autoexpire List, you see a bunch of recordings listed? |
| [17:55:24] | Saviq: | sphery: yes |
| [17:55:41] | Saviq: | a whole bunch of 'em |
| [17:55:54] | sphery: | and in your master backend log, do you see any errors? |
| [17:56:27] | sphery: | or other backends, actually... if no errors, you'll need to run the backend(s) with -v important,general,file |
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| [17:56:37] | wagnerrp: | i was testing a new frontend setup |
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| [17:56:50] | wagnerrp: | i have one generic image, that i clone out as needed |
| [17:57:07] | wagnerrp: | and have it pull its respective overlay on boot after cloning, and restart |
| [17:57:24] | wagnerrp: | i had also upgraded to 22424, and the frontend could not connect to the database |
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| [17:57:35] | Saviq: | sphery: ok, I will try to get it shout about expiration |
| [17:57:46] | wagnerrp: | something about too many connection errors, and the host was blocked from the server |
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| [17:59:52] | Dagmar: | CTCP TIME him |
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| [18:11:20] | Saviq: | sphery: oh I think I found the problem... "[...]in use by truncatingdelete[...]" |
| [18:12:14] | Saviq: | but the file isn't there – it must've been interrupted or something |
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| [18:15:41] | frankRas: | i have a big problem with diseqc and mythtv 0.22 22415 i'cant scan the secon position wit scan-s2 i can it but mythtv-setup only scan the first position (astra 19.2) the second is (astra23.5) i have found a much on google but nothings seams to help. |
| [18:16:01] | frankRas: | is some one here how can help, sorry for my bad english, im from german |
| [18:16:12] | frankRas: | hi @ all :-) |
| [18:16:16] | laga: | frankRas: try #mythtv-de |
| [18:16:25] | frankRas: | lol nice ^ |
| [18:16:28] | frankRas: | ^^ |
| [18:16:51] | Saviq: | sphery: yup, now it's expiring fine |
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| [18:18:27] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [18:18:35] | iamlindoro: | So someone just added this to the feature request page |
| [18:18:46] | iamlindoro: | * Front-end setup to set screen dimensions. If a TV/monitor reports the wrong dimensions via EDID the only way to fix this currently is to edit xorg.conf to add a DisplaySize entry. |
| [18:18:54] | iamlindoro: | "Requiring users to edit xorg.conf is cruel & unusual punishment. Include a couple of boxes on the Setup>Appearance menu defaulting to 0 for X & Y dimensions. If zero accept what xorg says, if non-zero take these dimensions when scaling TV display." |
| [18:18:56] | iamlindoro: | ummm |
| [18:18:58] | kormoc: | or run the wizard... |
| [18:19:02] | iamlindoro: | has this person ever USED myth? |
| [18:19:05] | iamlindoro: | EXACTLY |
| [18:19:32] | kormoc: | It's a cruel and unusual punishment to have his ideas inflicted on our wiki |
| [18:19:48] | resno: | some people are just dumb |
| [18:19:57] | kormoc: | %s/some/all |
| [18:20:10] | kormoc: | or rather %s/some// |
| [18:20:18] | ** kormoc isn't feeling so nice today ** | |
| [18:20:37] | iamlindoro: | I get a sammich for lunch with bacon in it |
| [18:20:39] | iamlindoro: | you should have one |
| [18:20:44] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:20:45] | ** resno blinks at kormoc ** | |
| [18:20:59] | kormoc: | I could walk to Ralphs and get Egg Salad + Bacon... yum yum yum |
| [18:21:00] | resno: | a "smammich"? |
| [18:21:13] | kormoc: | resno: what the ladies make in the kitchenich |
| [18:21:14] | iamlindoro: | no, a sammich |
| [18:21:23] | puff: | Any idea on my xorg problem? |
| [18:21:41] | puff: | Er, X problem, actually. |
| [18:22:05] | kormoc: | puff: modify line #57 of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.I.dont.even.know.what.you.are.asking.about |
| [18:23:15] | ** resno thinks someone isnt being nice today ** | |
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| [18:23:48] | kormoc: | resno: to be fair, there's nothing in the scollback for the past hour... |
| [18:23:50] | iamlindoro: | The channel name doesn't start with #ubuntu, we don't do nice ;) |
| [18:23:51] | puff: | I installed mythbuntu on a box with a 250 GB drive. It's still fairly tabula rasa. Then I added a 1 TB drive, formatted it, added it to fstab, rebooted. |
| [18:24:27] | puff: | X started, I got the mythtv loading screen, then the screen went dark. I could still switch to a text console. |
| [18:24:29] | laga: | did you add your drive to xorg.conf, too? |
| [18:24:32] | resno: | haha |
| [18:24:43] | resno: | what os do most people here run? |
| [18:24:49] | laga: | linux |
| [18:24:52] | puff: | So I'm not sure whether myth is hung, or X is hung or what. |
| [18:24:59] | resno: | laga: clever. |
| [18:25:04] | laga: | puff: look at the logs in /var/log/ |
| [18:25:05] | kormoc: | puff: so check the x logs? |
| [18:25:11] | gbee: | well accurate ;) |
| [18:25:13] | laga: | puff: mostly Xorg.0.log and mythtv/ |
| [18:25:16] | kormoc: | resno: oh noes, you summoned the beast! |
| [18:25:19] | iamlindoro: | resno: Why is taht clever? linux is the OS that most of us run |
| [18:25:20] | resno: | ok, which distro then. |
| [18:25:36] | AndrewNC: | fedora |
| [18:25:38] | kormoc: | resno: there isn't a single one, we're all different |
| [18:25:46] | laga: | i'm not different |
| [18:25:56] | Spida: | we are all different |
| [18:25:58] | kormoc: | resno: I'm Gentoo, there's a pile of Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Knoppix, etc |
| [18:26:01] | resno: | ah, thats what you all send us to our respective distros? |
| [18:26:05] | iamlindoro: | You're all special, just like everyone else |
| [18:26:10] | iamlindoro: | a/s/l? |
| [18:26:10] | resno: | for distro help? |
| [18:26:12] | kormoc: | resno: if it's a distro problem, then yes, that's why |
| [18:26:14] | gbee: | a smattering of Mandriva |
| [18:26:29] | wagnerrp: | mandriva is still around? |
| [18:26:35] | gbee: | some masochists with DSL etc |
| [18:26:44] | ** Spida waves the debi(li)an flag ** | |
| [18:26:45] | gbee: | wagnerrp: haha |
| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | i havent heard much from it since they renamed from mandrake |
| [18:26:57] | AndrewNC: | anyone running slackware? |
| [18:26:59] | resno: | kormoc: i used gentoo at one time, but i didnt think it booted with a gnome or kde. |
| [18:27:16] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I'll fork mandriva, ship it with a bunch of tasteful nude lady wallpapers, and call it "Womandriva" |
| [18:27:24] | gbee: | wagnerrp: it's a connoisseurs' distro |
| [18:27:39] | Spida: | resno: that was (at the time I used it) a question of configuration (and compiling *eg*) |
| [18:27:40] | ** mag0o wants to be different, just like everyone else ** | |
| [18:27:46] | iamlindoro: | or be misogynistic and ship it with a bunch of photos of traffic collisions and call it Womandriva |
| [18:27:59] | kormoc: | resno: until you install gnome or kde, that's true |
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| [18:28:20] | puff: | laga, kormoc Nothing visible in the Xorg log. |
| [18:28:29] | mag0o: | AndrewNC: me and Dagmar run slackware that i know of |
| [18:28:39] | ** wagnerrp wonders how you can trademark a poisonous plant ** | |
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| [18:28:52] | puff: | wagnerrp: You can't. |
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| [18:29:28] | AndrewNC: | iamlindoro: that name is trademarked by the city of Boston |
| [18:29:32] | puff: | wagnerrp: you can, however, trademark a word that sounds and looks a lot like the name of a poisonous plant, but isnt' quite. |
| [18:29:34] | resno: | kormoc: how do people get settled on a distro? they seem so random and scattered. |
| [18:29:46] | iamlindoro: | I keep meaning to try Mandriva... Used to use Mandrake religiously but I build a new system so infrequently that the opportunity hasn't presented itself |
| [18:29:51] | AndrewNC: | resno: assigned at birth |
| [18:30:07] | wagnerrp: | resno: it was close enough to how freebsd behaved that i was happy |
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| [18:30:10] | AndrewNC: | you get your ssn, barcode, and GNU/Linux distro |
| [18:30:13] | puff: | wagnerrp: Trademark law is surprisingly practical, most of the time. It's specific to industry, and often to geographic region. |
| [18:30:44] | resno: | AndrewNC: thats great. |
| [18:31:28] | mag0o: | my barcode rubbed off |
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| [18:31:45] | puff: | resno: Distro to distro mostly boils down to four things, in no particular order: installer, configuration management, drivers, and file system layout. Five things if you include default choices of desktop GUI, etc. |
| [18:32:17] | wagnerrp: | 'package manager' is included in 'installer'? |
| [18:32:30] | ** iamlindoro thinks it boils down to package mangement, package management, package management, and package management ** | |
| [18:32:35] | puff: | resno: No, package management is part of (most of) configuration management. |
| [18:32:37] | kormoc: | resno: I used a pile of distros before I found Gentoo, I just wasn't happy with my current one and decided to give another one a try, then I found Gentoo and was happy |
| [18:32:45] | puff: | Then, in the corporate world, you add the factors of enterprise support and an enterprise-compatible release scheme. |
| [18:33:06] | iamlindoro: | kormoc has since tried Ubuntu, and that's when he became *really* nasty |
| [18:33:13] | kormoc: | Yeah, funny that... |
| [18:33:15] | puff: | iamlindoro: And I agree, for me, package management swamps most other factors. |
| [18:33:35] | puff: | I use ubuntu on my laptop and debian on my server. |
| [18:33:42] | resno: | many years ago when I first came to linux , i used red hat 6.0. |
| [18:33:43] | AndrewNC: | Ubuntu is the Prius of linux distros |
| [18:34:03] | puff: | resno: Don't be ashamed, many people started out that way. |
| [18:34:05] | resno: | AndrewNC: what do you mean the prius? |
| [18:34:06] | AndrewNC: | resno: I just came across and threw away some redhat 6 cdrs |
| [18:34:12] | wagnerrp: | youre calling ubuntu over/under-engineered to a fault? |
| [18:34:15] | puff: | resno: Just kidding, but only half so. |
| [18:34:19] | AndrewNC: | resno: see southpark prius episode |
| [18:34:53] | kormoc: | resno: the SP episode has the world choking to death on SMUG from the prius owners |
| [18:35:02] | puff: | resno: He's implying that ubuntu users are succumbing to a fad mentality and guilty of smugness, much like, say, apple users, or ruby developers. |
| [18:35:17] | resno: | ah, i see. |
| [18:35:23] | AndrewNC: | puff: epic lol for addding ruby devs! |
| [18:35:32] | kormoc: | It's true, Ruby is just a fad |
| [18:35:45] | puff: | I have to say, though, I've been using debian for something like 10+ years. I tried ubuntu because of the scars I had from my first attempt to use debian on a laptop. |
| [18:35:46] | kormoc: | it's taken them over 20 years to get anywhere, it's not going to last at the pace they're going |
| [18:35:48] | puff: | And it really impressed me. |
| [18:36:01] | wagnerrp: | everyone knows emerald is a much better language |
| [18:36:25] | iamlindoro: | How about Emeril? |
| [18:36:29] | puff: | One of the guys behid flickr did a speech at djangocon that was fun, titled "10 reasons why Django will fail" or something like that. |
| [18:36:35] | iamlindoro: | Instead of a carraige return, you use a BAM! |
| [18:36:53] | wagnerrp: | but thats only for making food, not web pages |
| [18:36:58] | resno: | puff: was that taped anywhere? id like to see that |
| [18:37:01] | puff: | One slide of which was, "not smug enough", followed by a slide explaining where all the smug when, "Ruby on Rails dev team using all the smug on the internet" |
| [18:37:06] | puff: | It was. |
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| [18:38:36] | gbee: | the really funny thing for me about Ubuntu (aside from the hype/community fud) didn't really do _anything_ that wasn't already being done in other distros, for those coming from Gentoo or Fedora I'd agree it probably seemed like a big change but other boutique distros like Mandriva had been improving/simplying configuration and the user experience for years (Mandriva wasn't the only one, it's just the one I can relate from personal experience) |
| [18:39:35] | gbee: | in fact Ubuntu was until the last year playing catchup with other distros in terms of usability |
| [18:39:39] | puff: | Well the big difference is that the ubuntu people built a debian-derived distro withOUT pissing off the debian folks. |
| [18:39:55] | puff: | And in fact feeding patches and fixes back into the debian repos. |
| [18:40:05] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [18:40:12] | puff: | They also committed to providing enterprise support. |
| [18:40:20] | justinh: | hardcore debian folks get miffed at any little thing |
| [18:40:24] | puff: | justinh: Yeah. |
| [18:40:38] | puff: | justinh: Specifically, I'm referring to the relationship between the ubuntu maintainers and the debian maintainers. |
| [18:40:39] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:41:02] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:41:21] | justinh: | I don't care less what it is, so long as it works & isn't a PITA to get working |
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| [18:42:20] | gbee: | justinh: I'm likely to just stick with Mandriva for exactly that reason, it works for me, I know it and I don't have time to waste sampling all the other distros every time a new one is released |
| [18:42:52] | Dagmar: | You run Mandriva? |
| [18:42:54] | resno: | To be honest, I choose ubuntu because it was the "popular" choice. |
| [18:42:55] | puff: | resno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk&am . . . yer_embedded |
| [18:42:55] | Dagmar: | Weird. |
| [18:43:18] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu seems to be the recommended choice for people who know nothing about linux |
| [18:43:19] | justinh: | what put me off mandriva when I first saw it was KDE |
| [18:43:30] | justinh: | though I didn't realise it at the time |
| [18:43:32] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, its just what you know and are comfortable with |
| [18:43:52] | resno: | wagnerrp: ouch that hurts... |
| [18:43:55] | puff: | wagnerrp: And what has good configuration (aka package) management, and good drivers, and good supportl |
| [18:44:05] | wagnerrp: | resno: it was not an insult |
| [18:44:05] | justinh: | gnome-desktop is broken on my backend machine. tried removing the user switching applet. whoops |
| [18:44:16] | gbee: | the one time I really gave Ubuntu the benefit of the doubt it bit me hard ... that was enough to guarantee that I'll not trust it on my desktop again for a long time (netbook/mythbuntu aside) |
| [18:44:22] | wagnerrp: | if your used to debian, ubuntu is a decent choice |
| [18:44:25] | puff: | I once chose to run, wtf was it, fedoracore? Whitebox? Some knockoff redhat. |
| [18:44:38] | puff: | On an important box, because that important box was being maintained in a data center full of redhat boxes. |
| [18:44:38] | justinh: | well, mythbuntu != ubuntu , as good as :) |
| [18:44:39] | wagnerrp: | if youre used to redhat/fedora, ubuntu would not be a good choice |
| [18:44:41] | puff: | So. |
| [18:45:15] | resno: | what is centos based from? |
| [18:45:23] | resno: | red hat? |
| [18:45:23] | iamlindoro: | RHEL |
| [18:45:27] | gbee: | I hate gnome, irrationally I suppose |
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| [18:45:44] | justinh: | is there any DE which doesn't try to ape windows? |
| [18:45:44] | puff: | Has redhat/fedora ever straightened out their package management? I thought they were, then talked to a friend last night who has to use redhat a lot for work, and apparently it still sucks. |
| [18:45:48] | wagnerrp: | its basically a static version of RHEL |
| [18:45:55] | puff: | justinh: bonce. |
| [18:45:59] | puff: | justinh: Er, bounce, that is. |
| [18:46:07] | justinh: | never heard of it |
| [18:46:20] | wagnerrp: | probably in a year or so, theyll update to 2.6.35 or whatever, and stick with that for a couple more years |
| [18:46:36] | Dagmar: | puff: Define "sucks" |
| [18:46:53] | justinh: | would ubuntu bundled with bounce be called BUBUNTU? :-P |
| [18:47:15] | Dagmar: | If your friend is a lazy git who can't be bothered to think, he's probably saying all sorts of things about it |
| [18:47:37] | justinh: | looks like google hasn't heard of this 'bounce' either :-\ |
| [18:47:50] | AndrewNC1: | Fedora 10 package management works fine for me |
| [18:48:19] | resno: | is it worth venturing into another distro? or should i stay where i am happy? |
| [18:48:20] | puff: | Dagmar: dependency whack-a-mole, no centralized package repository, etc. |
| [18:48:29] | puff: | resno: Where are you? And what makes you happy? |
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| [18:48:35] | Dagmar: | puff: Your friend needs to stop pretending he's an admin then |
| [18:48:41] | resno: | puff: I am using Ubuntu. |
| [18:48:59] | AndrewNC: | Fedora has centralized package repositories |
| [18:49:06] | justinh: | resno: do whatever you want. YMMV |
| [18:49:14] | Dagmar: | "Dependency whack-a-mole" is exactly the sort of claim people make when they're upset that they have to think for themselves |
| [18:49:44] | Dagmar: | ...and like AndrewNC said, they've absolutely got central repos. |
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| [18:50:00] | Dagmar: | Make your friend take their NSCE already |
| [18:50:04] | justinh: | ugh. so many DEs still relying on bloody awful menus |
| [18:50:18] | Dagmar: | s/NSCE/MSCE/; |
| [18:50:33] | gbee: | resno: I was about to say that if you are happy you should stick with what you have, but then I realised that it's easy to be _resigned_ to flaws if you've never experienced something better and you might mistake that for being happy |
| [18:51:47] | resno: | gbee: what distro are you currently using? |
| [18:52:09] | laga: | gbee: that was deep |
| [18:52:10] | kormoc: | resno: it's always worth trying out new things, but ultimately, it's happiness that counts |
| [18:52:28] | kormoc: | laga: sounds like relationship advice to me |
| [18:52:36] | puff: | Dagmar: So is anything *in* those centralized repositories? |
| [18:52:39] | resno: | do most oses.... distros have livecd isos? |
| [18:52:56] | kormoc: | Most of the big ones do |
| [18:53:02] | justinh: | I don't have a massive beef with KDE as such, just that the file browser sucks & I'm no fan of the default terminal either.. as for the web browser.. yikes :-( |
| [18:53:08] | Dagmar: | puff: Oh, you mean like _everything_? YES. |
| [18:53:11] | kormoc: | but really, with how customizable things are, that's typically not the main issue |
| [18:53:17] | justinh: | but then gnome has the utterly risible Totem |
| [18:53:18] | puff: | resno: You still haven't answsered the second half of my question. |
| [18:53:22] | Dagmar: | Redhat has had their own RPM repo for freaking ages |
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| [18:53:50] | gbee: | justinh: the old file browser or the new one? |
| [18:53:52] | puff: | Yeah, that's what I thought, so why is dependency management still unsolved? |
| [18:54:09] | resno: | puff: everything works fine. there have been issues. but i guess its fine. i have generally been a windows user..... |
| [18:54:09] | Dagmar: | There's even been special-purpose search engines like rpmfind.net just for searching it and the various mirrors of the redhat forks |
| [18:54:23] | Dagmar: | puff: because your friend is an idiot |
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| [18:54:27] | puff: | resno: no, no, what are *you* looking for out of life? |
| [18:54:27] | Dagmar: | Not to mince words |
| [18:54:28] | justinh: | gbee: dunno what 'old' is. still 3.4 or something here |
| [18:54:44] | puff: | Dagmar: So far, based on behavior displayed... |
| [18:54:53] | resno: | puff: uh... not sure i know where this is going... |
| [18:55:02] | Dagmar: | He's probably making this claim because he doesn't like that package foo has packaeg bar, baz, ding, wingwon, and zippy as dependencies, and he's decided that package zippy "doesn't belong" |
| [18:55:18] | puff: | resno: You asked if you should switch. The answer depends on what possible benefits you could get from switching, which depends on what you want out of life, etc. |
| [18:55:20] | gbee: | justinh: they introduced dolphin as the new file browser in KDE 4, it's pretty different though I've not formed an opinion on whether it's better |
| [18:55:24] | Dagmar: | puff: So make him cite a _specific_ example of a failure |
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| [18:55:44] | Dagmar: | You will likely find he's complaining about the dependency flags on some package from some random non-redhat distro |
| [18:55:47] | AndrewNC: | dependencies are installed fine on my Fedora 10 setup |
| [18:55:49] | gbee: | and as for konqueror, does anyone use really that instead of firefox or Opera? |
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| [18:56:21] | puff: | What's that line from that song... the Geeks say, "Hey, that's half the fun!" |
| [18:56:22] | puff: | Yeah, but I got a girlfriend, and things to get done, |
| [18:56:30] | AndrewNC: | I've never had yum fail to find a dependency |
| [18:56:39] | Dagmar: | I run a distro that doesn't track deps for you |
| [18:56:46] | Dagmar: | We've just expected to know what we're doing. |
| [18:56:48] | Dagmar: | Imagine that. |
| [18:57:01] | Dagmar: | Expecting a system administrator to know how to adminstrate the system. |
| [18:57:08] | Dagmar: | The absolute cheek! |
| [18:57:11] | AndrewNC: | Dagmar: people who dont know what they are doing often blame the tools |
| [18:57:16] | justinh: | might be KDE4 here then :-\ |
| [18:57:45] | Dagmar: | AndrewNC: This is why I don't care to hear claims that RedHat has dependency issues--when I know for a fact that they look for unbound dependencies |
| [18:58:09] | iamlindoro: | 22 tickets for .22... ah, symmetry |
| [18:58:22] | puff: | justinh: Ah, not bounce, bumptop. Sorry. |
| [18:58:46] | AndrewNC: | iamlindoro: i saw 22-fixes branch was created... time to uncork the champaign? |
| [18:59:01] | iamlindoro: | AndrewNC: Naw, it's just the branch, haven't called the release just yet |
| [18:59:10] | iamlindoro: | couple days most likely |
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| [18:59:34] | gbee: | Dagmar: so much of this FUD comes from people's one-time experiences 10–15 years ago "Redhat? Yeah I used that (in 1993) it was dependency hell!" |
| [18:59:40] | AndrewNC: | so it is like governor elect |
| [18:59:51] | Dagmar: | Even then they were probably talking through their hat |
| [19:00:07] | gbee: | iamlindoro: more like a week, RC today and final release probably next Monday/Tuesday |
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| [19:00:11] | AndrewNC: | gbee: I installed redhat 4, couldn't get tcp over PPP working, fedora is crap!!! |
| [19:00:43] | AndyCap: | gbee: I used SLS, didn't support my S3 graphics card, linux sucks |
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| [19:01:39] | ForsGump: | Tseng Labs rules.... linux drools ! |
| [19:02:07] | resno: | i didnt mean to start a distro war! |
| [19:02:25] | ** iamlindoro sighs and wishes he had grabbed a bunch of those LucasArts adventures on CD ROM when they can free with $Everything ** | |
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| [19:07:09] | justinh: | ugh. 'three dee' desktop. MEH |
| [19:08:30] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: heh, too late now. even the lucasarts archives are getting old |
| [19:08:58] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: I still have multiple copis, but you can never have too many CD-ROM versions of LOOM |
| [19:09:16] | iamlindoro: | you never know when you will need to educate some youngster about Bobbin Threadbare and the pattern |
| [19:09:52] | mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers | |
| [19:12:41] | resno: | iamlindoro: what are you considering some youngster? |
| [19:13:10] | Dagmar: | Gotta get 'em in the van somehow. |
| [19:14:23] | justinh: | wtf? mythfest in the UK, oct 31st? |
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| [19:14:31] | iamlindoro: | Anyone younger than me, less experienced than me, or who doesn't know the things I think they should know |
| [19:14:33] | iamlindoro: | duh |
| [19:14:56] | resno: | iamlindoro: are you 45+? |
| [19:15:19] | iamlindoro: | irrelevant |
| [19:15:27] | resno: | heh... never heard of loom before |
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| [19:15:34] | resno: | or Bobbin Threadbare |
| [19:15:35] | Dagmar: | resno: You ever wanted to see what your intestings looked like up close? |
| [19:15:43] | Dagmar: | s/intestings/intestines/; |
| [19:15:52] | resno: | sure |
| [19:15:58] | resno: | but not really |
| [19:16:05] | mag0o: | whats the ; for on that replace? |
| [19:16:09] | resno: | i like them better when i cant see them |
| [19:16:14] | AndyCap: | Oh, the there was a show about it. |
| [19:16:19] | AndyCap: | mag0o: the sign of a perl programmer |
| [19:16:21] | mag0o: | have i been missing a cool feature all along? |
| [19:16:26] | mag0o: | hehe, i was thinking sql |
| [19:16:55] | AndyCap: | Yes. Inside Nature's giants! |
| [19:17:50] | Dagmar: | Yes because apparently only perl people know you can make sed do more than one operation per invocation. |
| [19:18:09] | Dagmar: | But you just keep on running sed twice when you only need to run it once |
| [19:18:41] | oobe: | does branches/release-0-22-fixes mirror trunk atm |
| [19:18:47] | Dagmar: | sed 's/0x00//g s/WINDOW/cat/g' -> causes sed: -e expression #1, char 11: unknown option to `s' |
| [19:19:28] | justinh: | oobe: man diff |
| [19:19:30] | iamlindoro: | oobe: They are the same code for the moment but will not remain so for very long. If you want to end up on the release now is the time to switch |
| [19:19:50] | oobe: | thats what i was worried about |
| [19:20:07] | ** mag0o hunts for that thread about switching from svn to release ** | |
| [19:20:10] | oobe: | ok im dloading it now was gonna diff it afterward justinh |
| [19:20:42] | oobe: | so from now on i will build 22-fixes iamlindoro |
| [19:20:53] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a plan |
| [19:21:38] | justinh: | if there really IS a 'mythfest' at the end of the month they've cut it fine if they want anybody to turn up :-( |
| [19:22:01] | ** iamlindoro calls mythfest at his house, 5PM tonight ** | |
| [19:22:10] | mag0o: | now, thats cutting it close |
| [19:22:43] | justinh: | way beyond cheap train travel point, unrealistic for hotel bookings.. yada yada |
| [19:22:53] | iamlindoro: | Think awithers and I may actually live < 60 minutes from one another |
| [19:23:24] | ** iamlindoro proclaims his area the MythVideo capital of the world ** | |
| [19:23:51] | ** Hodapp proclaims nobody wants what his area is the capital of ** | |
| [19:24:10] | ** mag0o lives around the corner from the meth capital of the US ** | |
| [19:24:11] | iamlindoro: | animal husbandry? |
| [19:24:40] | Hodapp: | iamlindoro: Nope. But if you go about 50 miles south, you might find a bit of that. |
| [19:25:23] | mag0o: | hmm, the svn switch seemed easy enough |
| [19:25:53] | iamlindoro: | mag0o: So don't want to track dev for .23 and really spice up childish, eh? :) |
| [19:26:08] | mag0o: | switching at home, keeping svn on the laptop ;) |
| [19:27:27] | justinh: | gonna wait for iamlindoro's last commit (which breaks everything) to be reverted before I upgrade when 0.22 is out :P |
| [19:27:55] | ** iamlindoro wonders if justinh knows something he doesn't ** | |
| [19:28:05] | iamlindoro: | Are you from the future? |
| [19:28:30] | iamlindoro: | I seem to recall my last commit changed some help text ;) |
| [19:28:40] | justinh: | heheh |
| [19:29:32] | justinh: | ahh that 'mythfest' is at a little known thing called 'webnights' in an even less known place called 'Fleet' |
| [19:29:37] | justinh: | I think |
| [19:29:46] | iamlindoro: | webights, eh? Sounds like an awesome place to meet chicks |
| [19:29:59] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:30:07] | iamlindoro: | webnights, that is |
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| [19:31:07] | justinh: | there's always geekup in mancyland for that. still seems to be all about web developers though :-\ |
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| [19:33:48] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so all the Myth "news" sites seem to have given up the ghost |
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| [19:34:38] | iamlindoro: | Exciting "breaking" news from January |
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| [19:36:17] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtvnews.com/2008/12/02/preview-of-mythtv-022/ Ah, memories |
| [19:36:27] | iamlindoro: | Let's step back down memory road and burn the houses of the douchebags |
| [19:37:14] | iamlindoro: | "One user is saying on the users mailinglist that the new UI screens feel snappier than the old screens. Maybe because rendering them is offloaded to the GPU." |
| [19:37:19] | iamlindoro: | Well there's a gem |
| [19:37:55] | iamlindoro: | We went and got hardware UI decode while I wasn't looking ;) |
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| [19:42:21] | resno: | awesome |
| [19:42:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, no, mag0o needs to track -fixes for a while so I can put childish on my daughter's FE. |
| [19:42:57] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: heh :) |
| [19:43:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's the only reason I fixed that bug that was plaguing him... j/k |
| [19:43:44] | iamlindoro: | So you're saying she doesn't want to use my exciting next theme, InfoCom-wide? |
| [19:43:44] | mag0o: | haha |
| [19:43:57] | Wicked: | where will the release announcement hit 1st? |
| [19:43:59] | iamlindoro: | Everything rendered in green and black ASCII |
| [19:44:06] | iamlindoro: | Wicked: mythtv.org |
| [19:44:08] | Wicked: | id like to follow something and be the 1st to know |
| [19:44:17] | Wicked: | ok so someone will change up the frontpage. |
| [19:44:19] | mag0o: | glad you liked it Captain_Murdoch |
| [19:44:22] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:44:56] | Wicked: | ....cant wait guys! you guys rock for all your hard work :) |
| [19:44:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, actually, she hasn't watched a thing since I installed the JumpStart PreSchool CD for her in a WinXP AOE image over the weekend. |
| [19:45:27] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:46:19] | oobe: | mag0o, where can i find this childish theme |
| [19:46:26] | oobe: | its yours? |
| [19:46:42] | mag0o: | its in the works |
| [19:47:08] | mag0o: | my first try at a theme and it's coming together slowly |
| [19:47:20] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [19:47:21] | oobe: | nice one |
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| [19:48:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | we need a (few) good kids theme(s). I mentioned the other day in #mythtv that I'd like to see the OSD theme recommended by the UI theme. I'd also like to see the menu recommended. So a kids theme could have a minimal set of menu items on it. |
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| [19:49:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | right now I'm running my own hacked menu on my daughter's FE. has 3 items on it. :) recordings, videos, and gqview since she likes to scroll through pictures. |
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| [19:49:58] | oobe: | thats a good idea |
| [19:49:59] | mag0o: | im going along those lines too for displayed info |
| [19:50:06] | wagnerrp: | not mythgallery? |
| [19:50:15] | mag0o: | like, as a parent, in mythvidoe all i care to see is title, rating and runtime |
| [19:50:22] | mag0o: | (along with poster/fanart) |
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| [19:50:31] | mag0o: | with runtime being most important ;) |
| [19:50:46] | iamlindoro: | mag0o: Subtitle/season/episode might be well advised, though |
| [19:50:57] | iamlindoro: | mag0o: As a lot of folks will have their kids favorite shows on there |
| [19:51:05] | mag0o: | true |
| [19:51:11] | oobe: | does anyone know if its possible to reset my playback profiles to original settings |
| [19:51:31] | oobe: | using an sql dump or somthing |
| [19:51:32] | PeaceKeeper: | oobe: list the CPU ++ thing? |
| [19:51:55] | oobe: | yea all those profiles have been modified over time |
| [19:52:05] | PeaceKeeper: | if you delete them all the defualts come back |
| [19:52:10] | PeaceKeeper: | at least in the GUI |
| [19:52:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, she's used to gqview since she uses it on the old 486 laptop I let her play with. |
| [19:52:49] | oobe: | PeaceKeeper, if i e.g deleted CPU ++ it would return? with default settings |
| [19:52:54] | PeaceKeeper: | IE: CPU++ CPU+ etc. Delete them all finsihs config, then come back in |
| [19:53:11] | PeaceKeeper: | You have to delete them all for the defaults to come back, but yes |
| [19:53:27] | oobe: | what if i left custom ones |
| [19:53:33] | PeaceKeeper: | I have personally dont it on .21-fixes and it works |
| [19:53:34] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: she can use it with a remote? |
| [19:53:37] | oobe: | that i made myself |
| [19:53:38] | ** Captain_Murdoch has to retract. she's used to Win95 and AceeDsee (or whatever it is called) on my old laptop and since gqview is almost identical, she likes gqview. ** | |
| [19:53:40] | PeaceKeeper: | I think you have to remove all |
| [19:53:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, keyboard |
| [19:53:43] | wagnerrp: | or you have a keyboard connected |
| [19:53:44] | PeaceKeeper: | then readd the custom |
| [19:53:44] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:54:06] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [19:54:22] | PeaceKeeper: | I have done this on .21-fixes and it works great |
| [19:54:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | have a dual-boot PXE-only FE that boots Linux by default, but WinXP via AOE for things like the JumpStart CDs. |
| [19:54:33] | oobe: | was thinking i could just drop the tables and find an sql file with them to dump back in |
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| [19:54:55] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: WinXP over AOE rocks huh ? I love it at home for my Wife's machine |
| [19:54:56] | PeaceKeeper: | That might work too, but I have not tried it |
| [19:55:13] | wagnerrp: | oobe: most likely candidate would be a 'delete from settings where value like "%something%";' |
| [19:55:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | even uses a kid-sized $2.99 Sesame Street mouse that I picked up off geeks.com a few years back. |
| [19:55:42] | ** j-rod debates what to do with spare 1.5T hard drive... ** | |
| [19:55:50] | GreyFoxx: | send it to me ? |
| [19:55:51] | GreyFoxx: | ;) |
| [19:56:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | GreyFoxx, yeah, working great here. both of my main FE's also have a WinXP AOE image. even at 100Mbit on one of them its still decent speed. |
| [19:56:12] | iamlindoro: | pfft, that tiny thing? ;) |
| [19:56:12] | wagnerrp: | where would the initial alsa state be stored? |
| [19:56:13] | oobe: | wagnerrp, what do you mean? |
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| [19:56:17] | j-rod: | well, its a cold spare for my 4x1.5T array, so I want to keep it nearby |
| [19:56:34] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: I found the ones I did up to be faster via AOE than when the drive wsa local for most operations |
| [19:56:36] | wagnerrp: | oobe: i mean you would run that command in mysql to wipe those entries |
| [19:56:45] | j-rod: | but I'm tempted to use it somewhere else |
| [19:56:53] | tyce: | when readin femon's output, can someone explain the meaning for the values for signal and snr? |
| [19:57:08] | oobe: | wagnerrp, yeah but i need to have a copy of the profiles to dump back in |
| [19:57:09] | tyce: | ie: status SCVYL | signal 100% | snr 42% | ber 0 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [19:57:17] | j-rod: | since the last time I had a spare drive for an array laying around, none of the drives ever gave out |
| [19:57:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: be honest most of the 'news' sites relating to mythtv concentrated on non-news & user speculation :-\ |
| [19:57:25] | wagnerrp: | oobe: i thought you wanted to revert back to the originals |
| [19:57:39] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Let's not forget 80% misinformation |
| [19:57:43] | oobe: | yeah i do |
| [19:57:53] | GreyFoxx: | 19% misunderstanding |
| [19:58:03] | oobe: | so deleting them all will work ? |
| [19:58:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | GreyFoxx, possible. these things boot up quick. The AOE server is my wife's main box, dual core with 4GB of RAM, so it's probably serving up blocks faster than local might on one of these systems. |
| [19:58:08] | justinh: | and certain podcasts don't help either :( |
| [19:58:09] | j-rod: | 0.5% crack-riddled vitriol |
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| [19:58:22] | oobe: | i dont need a copy of the originals to dump back into the db |
| [19:58:27] | justinh: | and there's only one way to guarantee *correct* information is put out there. do it yourself |
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| [19:59:22] | iamlindoro: | justinh: possible second answer, set fire to anyone distributing wrong info? |
| [19:59:28] | wagnerrp: | oobe: if you dont have anything, mythtv will use its stored defaults |
| [19:59:37] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [19:59:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro: there's always that, the more pleasurable route |
| [19:59:44] | j-rod: | yo, I herd mythtv was gonna support cablecard |
| [19:59:53] | ** wagnerrp gets the matches ** | |
| [20:00:08] | oobe: | so PeaceKeeper is right thanks guys |
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| [20:01:11] | kormoc: | j-rod: really? That's awesome! *posts to digg and friends* |
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| [20:02:32] | iamlindoro: | I heard we were scrapping the frontend |
| [20:02:46] | iamlindoro: | and using $FlavorOfTheDay |
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| [20:03:23] | mag0o: | mmm, strawberry chocolate |
| [20:03:23] | kormoc: | Microsoft bought us, we're changing to MCELNX |
| [20:03:23] | wagnerrp: | well there is the random theme option |
| [20:03:54] | GreyFoxx: | nah, lets port to Xenix. I've still got a 386 around somewhere |
| [20:03:56] | mag0o: | i thought MS voted to rename it LNXSUX |
| [20:04:19] | j-rod: | you guys use Linux?!? |
| [20:04:29] | wagnerrp: | MS turned it into a car, and called it the 6000 LNXSUX |
| [20:04:56] | ** j-rod starts rsync'ing 216G of data... ** | |
| [20:05:10] | mag0o: | that the NT source code? |
| [20:05:48] | j-rod: | ew. no. |
| [20:06:20] | iamlindoro: | 6 of my Blu rays? ;) |
| [20:06:46] | j-rod: | BackupPC data, actually |
| [20:07:12] | j-rod: | reshuffling storage and operating systems a bit |
| [20:07:44] | j-rod: | (still no windows involved) |
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| [20:24:00] | oobe: | does anyone know how to have mythvideo show episodes in the correct order even if they are name differently i.e Hustle_-_2x06_-_Eye_Of_The_Beholder.WS_PDTV.m00tv.[www.the-realworld.de].avi |
| [20:24:01] | oobe: | hustle.s02e01.ws.pdtv.xvid-river.[BT].avi |
| [20:24:22] | justinh: | oh you silly asshat |
| [20:24:22] | wagnerrp: | oobe: you get kicked |
| [20:24:31] | oobe: | why? |
| [20:24:36] | justinh: | look at the filenames |
| [20:24:37] | oobe: | pasting 2 lines? |
| [20:24:39] | wagnerrp: | no pirated content in here |
| [20:24:51] | oobe: | ok |
| [20:25:04] | justinh: | now unpaste them from the logs |
| [20:25:06] | oobe: | but you understand my question |
| [20:25:09] | justinh: | oh, wait.. you can't |
| [20:25:14] | oobe: | :P |
| [20:25:22] | justinh: | rename them yourself you lazy lazy arse |
| [20:25:30] | wagnerrp: | so one, dont pirate content |
| [20:25:38] | resno: | slapped with the trout thingy |
| [20:25:40] | wagnerrp: | and two, make sure they are name formats supported by mythvideo |
| [20:25:47] | wagnerrp: | !trout resno |
| [20:25:47] | ** MythLogBot slaps resno with a trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [20:25:57] | wagnerrp: | that one? |
| [20:26:00] | oobe: | wagnerrp, they both are name formats supported |
| [20:26:02] | justinh: | sure there's some other player apps which strip those parts of filenames out somewhere.. but not here :P |
| [20:26:15] | oobe: | however they appear in the incorrect order |
| [20:26:20] | oobe: | based on file name |
| [20:26:26] | iamlindoro: | Let me say that the official policy as long as I have my kung fu grip on MythVideo is that not one step will be taken to make live easier for dirty thieves |
| [20:26:40] | iamlindoro: | s/live/life/ |
| [20:26:57] | mag0o: | yeah! take a bath first!!!!!!1! |
| [20:27:03] | wagnerrp: | oobe: there is a big list of formats that mythvideo will recognize, and pull title/subtitle/season/episode from the filename |
| [20:27:04] | kormoc: | oobe: there is no way, nor will there be a way anytime soon |
| [20:27:11] | justinh: | if it was me I'd try renaming the, & rescanning |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | since those are not in the correct order, mythvideo did not recognize them |
| [20:27:20] | justinh: | s/the/them |
| [20:27:30] | wagnerrp: | so obviously they are not in a supported format |
| [20:27:54] | oobe: | yeah justinh thats what i have been doing using bulk rename tools |
| [20:27:55] | justinh: | must be all the leet.pDTV.PIR8.xvid.w00t.avi in the filenames |
| [20:28:29] | oobe: | but those 2 eps were a small sample but some directorys would be very tiresome to do |
| [20:28:32] | justinh: | bulk rename tools? WHUT?! |
| [20:28:41] | Dagmar: | So pirate from more organized people. |
| [20:28:46] | justinh: | cut down on yer piracy mate |
| [20:29:01] | oobe: | and in .21 it didnt seem to effect the listing order once the title was set |
| [20:29:04] | kormoc: | this thread of converstation stops now |
| [20:29:21] | kormoc: | we don't care, we don't support, we don't condone, we don't, we don't, we don't |
| [20:29:34] | Dagmar: | ...and we think you're an asshole. |
| [20:31:52] | jams: | that last commet was so not required |
| [20:31:59] | laga: | pluralis maiestas++ |
| [20:32:11] | oobe: | wagnerrp, btw all my eps are recognised its just they sometimes appear out of sequence in video list or gallery however the grabber script pulls data for each |
| [20:32:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this is a family channel.... hes a rectal sphincter |
| [20:32:53] | jams: | not even that..it just wasn't needed |
| [20:33:45] | iamlindoro: | Having different naming schemes for episodes in MythVideo is fully supported, it's just a matter of the right settings... but to be frank, it would bother me to help given the above information |
| [20:34:22] | iamlindoro: | As it would make me feel like my work to make it do so made life easier on people who reflect badly on all of us-- so you're on your own |
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| [20:36:16] | resno: | i doesnt matter much, but i am surprised you all take such a hard stance on that stuff. |
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| [20:36:23] | resno: | s/i/it |
| [20:36:36] | resno: | i think its great. |
| [20:36:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not want to be affiliated with piracy |
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| [20:36:51] | wagnerrp: | why is that surprising? |
| [20:36:53] | resno: | i totally get it. |
| [20:37:00] | Dagmar: | ...and in general, peiople need to f**king pirate less. |
| [20:37:28] | Dagmar: | I hail from a time when if you moved a Gb of warez in a night, you were serious business |
| [20:37:40] | Dagmar: | ...and *I* think people are way out of control. |
| [20:37:52] | Dagmar: | You don't see someone with 3–4 pirated movies anymore. |
| [20:37:59] | Dagmar: | It's freaking DOZENS if not hundreds now |
| [20:38:00] | justinh: | it *does* matter, in a *logged* channel of a particularly high-profile linux PVR project |
| [20:38:14] | Dagmar: | Whole terabytes of mp3's which is just retarded |
| [20:38:21] | justinh: | Dagmar: I've seen 1.5TB HDDs for sale, full of 'stuff' :-( |
| [20:38:35] | justinh: | anytime I see them on ebay I report them |
| [20:38:36] | kormoc: | botkits? |
| [20:38:44] | wagnerrp: | where do you even find terabytes of music you want to listen to |
| [20:38:49] | resno: | justinh: how can someone sale somethign they stole? |
| [20:38:49] | iamlindoro: | Let's note, though, that resno was encouraging our stance and not questioning it, so no need to get worked up at him :) |
| [20:39:00] | mag0o: | resno: was that you looking for the wakeup help? |
| [20:39:21] | resno: | mag0o: yes, but i am away from home atm. |
| [20:39:38] | resno: | mag0o: i was thining about using acpi wakeup |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | it's this whole culture of getting stuff cos it's there. I don't get it, never have. They're always whining they've maxxed out their broadband usage too. talk about protesting too much :) |
| [20:40:11] | mag0o: | k, at the bottom of the wiki wakeup page, another user reports success with the board you mentioned, but turning off HPET in the bios |
| [20:40:12] | kormoc: | and talk about ADD, when a billion hours of music isn't enough |
| [20:40:21] | _ben: | anyone having problems with the screen setup wizard thing? |
| [20:40:25] | justinh: | I've been thinking about putting my backend to sleep lately too |
| [20:40:39] | _ben: | the sleep stuff rocks |
| [20:40:42] | justinh: | _ben: such as – you can't make the screen bigger after resizing it? |
| [20:41:04] | _ben: | i get the triangles in the right place and it makes the picture smaller than what i specified |
| [20:41:10] | justinh: | _ben: that'll be a design feature. COUGH. which is why it has the 'reset' function |
| [20:41:11] | resno: | i cant stand to let a machine run thats not donig anything at the mement |
| [20:41:18] | _ben: | justinh: Obviously. |
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| [20:41:32] | Dagmar: | Being someone who owns about three times their own weight in vinyls and CDs, I think it's pretty offensive |
| [20:41:54] | justinh: | because I wasn't gonna get into changing the whole UI code to use the whole screen but only draw on some of it ;-) |
| [20:42:14] | resno: | mag0o: i didnt mention my board, i think that was someone |
| [20:42:42] | resno: | Dagmar: vinlys? what are those... |
| [20:42:48] | ** resno snickers at old tech ** | |
| [20:43:01] | justinh: | it's not hard to own your own weight in vinyl though |
| [20:43:03] | Dagmar: | They're the things people who actually know music and have hand-eye coordination play with |
| [20:43:27] | justinh: | 200 12" singles gets you that if you're not a big slobby blob ;) |
| [20:43:29] | Dagmar: | justinh: Yeah but three times that makes moving it around problematic |
| [20:43:39] | justinh: | makes storing it problematic |
| [20:44:25] | justinh: | started re-buying stuff in digital form rather than waste time sorting & recording vinyls |
| [20:44:46] | resno: | plus they had to be stored perfectly to maintain accetable sound |
| [20:45:05] | justinh: | nah. acceptable is just playing back without jumping :) |
| [20:46:06] | justinh: | whereas with mp3, acceptable == > 192kbps |
| [20:46:09] | ** kormoc eyes his tube amp ** | |
| [20:46:11] | resno: | its funny, even though records and cds are different they still face the same problem, scratches |
| [20:46:33] | justinh: | and disc rot. oh wait vinyl doesn't |
| [20:46:33] | kormoc: | Hard drives don't fair so well when scratched up too |
| [20:46:37] | justinh: | lol |
| [20:46:57] | wagnerrp: | are you known for opening them up and keying them? |
| [20:47:17] | resno: | doesnt just opening one up kill them? |
| [20:47:21] | justinh: | nah |
| [20:47:25] | wagnerrp: | not immediately |
| [20:47:30] | justinh: | depends where you do it ;-) |
| [20:47:32] | resno: | ive always heard dust particles can kill them, etc. |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | it can, but doesn't mean it always will |
| [20:48:04] | wagnerrp: | but if you dont open it in a clean room, you do risk dust on the platters causing a head crash |
| [20:48:55] | justinh: | the vents on HDDs are fallible, so sometimes you end up with particles inside no matter what |
| [20:49:09] | resno: | ah, so tape them shut! |
| [20:49:22] | justinh: | then pressure differences can kill them |
| [20:49:23] | resno: | ;) |
| [20:50:41] | resno: | ill just buy a solid state. wont have worry about all that stuff |
| [20:51:40] | Dagmar: | The little bit of HEPA filtering cloth is there to keep enough dust out |
| [20:51:48] | Dagmar: | You don't need a clean room to open one safely. |
| [20:52:07] | Dagmar: | If you don't care if the drive lives beyond the end of the month, you can open 'em up any time. |
| [20:52:34] | resno: | i actually had an hd fail and im sad to let it go. it wasnt *that* old |
| [20:52:46] | Dagmar: | If you *do* care, you can make a suitably clean area with a cheap 20 gallon plastic aquarium, a $35 HEPA air filtration machine, and some duct tape |
| [20:53:15] | resno: | Dagmar: seems like youve done it before |
| [20:53:23] | wagnerrp: | and gloves taped to the end of garbage bags? |
| [20:53:34] | Dagmar: | resno: Yep |
| [20:53:50] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: no, you just don't touch the platters with your bare hands |
| [20:53:57] | Dagmar: | ...and you don't touch the heads *evar* lol |
| [20:54:19] | resno is now known as bryan|away | |
| [20:54:21] | ** mag0o removes his hand from his head ** | |
| [20:55:01] | Dagmar: | I sat in on a few data recovery lectures to find out how to avoid needing three drives to do data recovery. ;) |
| [20:55:25] | ** sid3windr touches an album from the platters ** | |
| [20:55:25] | sid3windr: | ha! |
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| [20:57:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | _ben, which part of the 'sleep' stuff are you using, where everything goes down or just slaves that aren't in use (assuming you're on trunk) |
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| [21:02:51] | _ben: | I just have a combined front/backend configured to turn off/on as appropriate – works a treat |
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| [21:44:40] | joe2371: | I just added an HVR-1600 to the MBE and its only tuning B&W images with a lot of noise. Am I right in remembering there is a simple fix? |
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| [21:52:07] | Dagmar: | If you're tuning analog you're getting more than most people. |
| [21:52:12] | Dagmar: | IIRC analog support is currently broken |
| [21:52:27] | joe2371: | OIC. Yes, I am. |
| [21:53:03] | iamlindoro: | not on the 1600 |
| [21:53:11] | iamlindoro: | 1600 analog should be ok, it's the 1800 w/ broken analog in Myth |
| [21:53:55] | resno: | ive always heard the 1600 was recommended for use with myth |
| [21:53:58] | joe2371: | Well, this is a 1600 for sure. It's PCI. the 1800 is PCI-express, no? |
| [21:54:16] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [21:54:30] | jya: | Any Germans speaker able to translate two sentences for me ? |
| [21:54:34] | iamlindoro: | it's more likely you a) scanned for channels, which you should never do, and b) did so with the wrong frequency table |
| [21:55:10] | janneg: | jya: which ones? |
| [21:55:29] | joe2371: | aha. a) is true. b) may or may not be true. I used "cable" or "us-cable". |
| [21:56:06] | joe2371: | Perhaps my scanned frequencies are slightly off? |
| [21:56:15] | iamlindoro: | you shouldn't have scanned at all |
| [21:56:21] | joe2371: | what then? |
| [21:56:32] | iamlindoro: | for analog, in the US, you should be fetching the channels from listings source (Schedules Direct) |
| [21:57:21] | joe2371: | I see. So what now? Delete the video source, create a new one with SD only, and don't scan this time? |
| [21:57:25] | Dagmar: | http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html This may help (sort of) sort the freq table issue |
| [21:57:40] | iamlindoro: | joe2371: yes |
| [21:57:45] | Dagmar: | You can spot ranges of channels which should be worse/better with a little poking around |
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| [22:00:29] | sphery: | joe2371: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [22:02:07] | joe2371: | yes, that does look handy. thanks. |
| [22:02:24] | joe2371: | I would not have thought to delete all video sources. |
| [22:03:37] | sphery: | delete all makes sure you clean up everything that was wrong |
| [22:03:39] | joe2371: | gah! in fact, having added a card, it seems I would also be wise to delete all capture cards. The digital side of the 1600 bumped the numbering of my 2200's in /dev/dvb/. |
| [22:03:42] | sphery: | easy to leave some wrong stuff in there |
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| [22:04:05] | sphery: | the input connections should be created in the order of preferred usage |
| [22:04:22] | sphery: | so if you want the analog side of the HVR-1600 to be last, it needs to be connected last |
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| [22:04:47] | joe2371: | connected? or added in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:04:50] | sphery: | want it to be /used/ last |
| [22:04:58] | sphery: | connected in input connections in mythtv-setup |
| [22:05:04] | joe2371: | ah, ok |
| [22:05:09] | sphery: | i.e. create cards in whatever order you like |
| [22:05:16] | sphery: | but connect inputs in the order they should be used |
| [22:06:42] | joe2371: | for the moment, I'll have the digital side of my 1600 unused. Am I right in thinking I should create the source for it, but just leave the input set to none? |
| [22:07:17] | sphery: | don't create the "capture card" (in mythtv-setup) if you're not connecting a source to it |
| [22:07:22] | joe2371: | ah, ok. |
| [22:07:31] | sphery: | likewise, don't create a video source if it's not connected to any sources |
| [22:07:35] | sphery: | myth doesn't like that |
| [22:07:51] | sphery: | it may work today but could just stop working at any time without changes (nothing more than a restart) |
| [22:10:50] | joe2371: | it is par for the course when playing with software with a major version number less than one. ;-) |
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| [22:25:36] | mzb: | joe2371, udev rules for symlinks? |
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| [22:26:14] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindo i started my server and noticed one of the drives is dead (bah you seagate) how can i tell which physical one it is |
| [22:30:59] | iamlindoro: | smartctl -a /dev/sdwhatever |grep -i serial |
| [22:31:09] | iamlindoro: | if it still works enough to get a serial, you'll know which |
| [22:31:19] | iamlindoro: | otherwise, same command on all the others and process of elimination |
| [22:31:24] | Shadow__X: | yeah surprisingly its completely dead |
| [22:32:33] | Shadow__X: | eh i gues process of eliminitaion i do see your point about seagate thats the only hard drive to fail on me ever withoutt a real reason |
| [22:34:35] | Shadow__X: | thanks for the help now i will have to scan each one |
| [22:34:49] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:38:35] | Shadow__X: | atleast i found it it was the first one mounted in the cage with no other sata drive connected but that one it hangs in bios on that port |
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| [22:38:53] | Shadow__X: | is that how your failures where |
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| [22:40:37] | iamlindoro: | no, my failures were of the click click bzzzzt variety |
| [22:41:26] | Shadow__X: | ah thats always fun this drive spins up but bios doesnt see it |
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| [22:44:42] | ** sphery still has a click-click-click-clack HDD that's been running that way for a year now ** | |
| [22:45:16] | Shadow__X: | yeah i have a 3gb WD that still runs that has been clicking for years |
| [22:46:57] | iamlindoro: | I have a 3 GB WD too |
| [22:47:07] | iamlindoro: | it's just attatched to my 1997 GB one |
| [22:47:14] | iamlindoro: | er attached |
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| [22:48:48] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [22:49:03] | sid3windr: | I think you mean 2.9GB and 1700GB :> |
| [22:49:11] | sid3windr: | /nick sid1024windr |
| [22:49:24] | sid3windr: | my old maxtors still work |
| [22:49:27] | iamlindoro: | depends which OS you ask |
| [22:49:32] | sid3windr: | 5.25" fullheight 650MB maxtors <o/ |
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| [22:49:37] | iamlindoro: | My math is right under the latest Mac OS X :) |
| [22:49:38] | sid3windr: | esdi, too |
| [22:49:39] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:53:51] | ** jamesd2 waits for someone to mention mfm or rll drives... ** | |
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| [22:56:31] | Dagmar: | I still think someone should have told people to STFU about 1024 vs 1000 |
| [22:56:57] | Dagmar: | 1024 is a very round figure in the base-2 that computers care about |
| [22:57:37] | jamesd2: | Dagmar, well install a 1.5TB drive and the diference is quite astonding... |
| [23:00:42] | sid3windr: | cribbybytes |
| [23:06:36] | iamlindoro: | So, did everyone get their Windows Se^H^H^H^H MythTV .22 launch party kits? |
| [23:06:56] | resno: | a party? |
| [23:07:11] | MTughan: | There were parties? |
| [23:07:14] | resno: | is it real or virtual? |
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| [23:07:24] | resno: | ill fly to another country for a party ;0 |
| [23:07:27] | resno: | ;) |
| [23:07:28] | iamlindoro: | MTughan, can't be past tense for something that hasn't happened |
| [23:07:37] | kormoc: | There's always a party in Rio! |
| [23:07:39] | MTughan: | s/were/are/ |
| [23:07:50] | iamlindoro: | Sure, there's a party at my house 5PM today |
| [23:07:54] | ** kormoc gets out the baloons and streamers! ** | |
| [23:07:59] | MTughan: | Timezone? |
| [23:07:59] | iamlindoro: | 53 minutes to find out where I live and get here... GO |
| [23:08:07] | resno: | iamlindoro: i am on my way! |
| [23:08:08] | iamlindoro: | PST, but no more hints |
| [23:08:23] | MTughan: | So we've got 50 minutes, eh? |
| [23:08:24] | sphery: | ah, it's already 7:08, so I missed iamlindoro's party |
| [23:08:35] | iamlindoro: | you weren't invited anyway |
| [23:08:38] | MTughan: | sphery: PST, so take off 3 hours. |
| [23:08:38] | sid3windr: | 5PM is like 16 hours away! |
| [23:08:40] | sphery: | oh... |
| [23:08:48] | iamlindoro: | I'm still mad about all those promised patches ;) |
| [23:08:51] | resno: | sweet my computer just turned it self on :)... acpi wakeup is coming along nicely |
| [23:08:51] | ** kormoc knows iamlindoro lives in a abandoned nuclear silo ** | |
| [23:09:10] | iamlindoro: | the important thing is who lives in the crawlspace |
| [23:09:11] | sphery: | I thought it was a gas station called Paradise Falls |
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| [23:10:07] | sphery: | er, shopping mall, maybe |
| [23:10:13] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/crawlspace.png |
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| [23:10:39] | ** kormoc never leaves ** | |
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| [23:11:12] | AndrewNC_: | kormoc is like the knight in Indiana Jones 3 |
| [23:11:47] | kormoc: | If I get to drink from that holy grail... worth it! |
| [23:12:03] | iamlindoro: | sheesh, a gratuitous kaylee shot and not a word from kormoc |
| [23:12:05] | iamlindoro: | are you ill? |
| [23:12:38] | sphery: | he said he'll never leave your crawlspace |
| [23:12:58] | ** kormoc wonders if iamlindoro's screen needs cleaning ** | |
| [23:13:13] | sphery: | he's distracted by the party planning |
| [23:13:19] | kormoc: | Ahh |
| [23:13:24] | sphery: | He's cutting up the gouda cheese |
| [23:13:36] | sphery: | (for all you How I Met Your Mother fans...) |
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| [23:13:37] | kormoc: | Well gouda for him |
| [23:14:08] | sphery: | I just hope he remembers to tell the Belgian waffle story |
| [23:14:46] | kormoc: | http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/34602.html |
| [23:14:50] | kormoc: | that's just... wow |
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| [23:17:09] | iamlindoro: | I can't help but feel I am missing something about this show |
| [23:17:14] | iamlindoro: | maybe I should watch it sometime? |
| [23:17:21] | iamlindoro: | Feels like it's too late to start |
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| [23:17:31] | sphery: | it's the new Friends, I've heard |
| [23:17:43] | Dagmar: | *vomit* |
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| [23:24:13] | resno: | question about setting acpi wakeup. about sudo visudo part. |
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| [23:24:27] | resno: | i issue the command but it looks like it needs me to pass a parameter |
| [23:24:49] | resno: | opps. never mind |
| [23:25:26] | AndrewNC_: | man, I hate those forum douches that put EVERY detail of their AV setups in their sigs just to corrupt any chance of google search success |
| [23:26:07] | resno: | AndrewNC_: are you telling me you dont care about the machine that i have running myth? |
| [23:26:54] | kormoc: | I will tattoo how much I don't care on your forehead if you wish to be reminded of the fact every time you look in a mirror ;) |
| [23:27:06] | AndrewNC_: | resno: nor do I care about the TV model, the brand of cables, the zip ties used to order the cables, or the coasters on your end tables |
| [23:27:09] | Dagmar: | AndrewNC_: Just tell them that people would probably respect them more if they just went ahead and put a link to a picture of their penis in their sig |
| [23:27:26] | Dagmar: | Then everyone would know why they bought such-and-such brand of crap. |
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| [23:28:14] | AndrewNC_: | it makes sense in maybe a forum on classic car restoration, but not in anything computer/av |
| [23:28:20] | Dagmar: | let's face it, they're trying to compensate for having a small wang and everyone knows it |
| [23:28:38] | Dagmar: | What they don't realize is that they're trying to do this in a forum that's probably 95% men, which means they're gay. |
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| [23:28:55] | Dagmar: | ...because that would be the main reason other men would even give a damn. |
| [23:29:36] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [23:29:58] | wagnerrp: | 'cat /dev/video0 test.mpg' is definately not a command you want to run |
| [23:30:03] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [23:30:09] | Dagmar: | `stty reset` |
| [23:30:17] | AndrewNC_: | ouch |
| [23:31:10] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, im just getting static out of both of my tuners |
| [23:31:31] | AndrewNC_: | if films are traditionally shot at 24fps, why would bluray content be at 23.976? |
| [23:31:46] | Dagmar: | Because it's easier |
| [23:31:52] | AndrewNC_: | easier where? |
| [23:31:58] | wagnerrp: | to display on TVs |
| [23:31:58] | Dagmar: | Wikipedia has your answer, probably rather near the word 'telecine' |
| [23:32:05] | Dagmar: | EASIER THAN ME EXPLAINING IT TO YOU. |
| [23:32:08] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [23:32:10] | AndrewNC_: | nice |
| [23:32:14] | wagnerrp: | TVs dont run at an exact framerate |
| [23:32:18] | AndrewNC_: | I know that |
| [23:32:24] | Dagmar: | Once you've finished wading through it, you'll agree with me. |
| [23:32:30] | AndrewNC_: | but why not just store at 24 then do the goofy scaling from there |
| [23:32:38] | Dagmar: | Read up on it. |
| [23:32:48] | AndrewNC_: | I'll re-read the wiki article... ;-) |
| [23:33:03] | AndrewNC_: | however, some blurays are at 24 exactly, to mix things up |
| [23:33:11] | Dagmar: | Suuuure they are |
| [23:33:34] | wagnerrp: | anything to look for in dmesg as to why im getting static? |
| [23:33:42] | Dagmar: | Anything out of the ordinary |
| [23:33:46] | wagnerrp: | i havent had to do anything with these cards in over two years |
| [23:33:47] | Dagmar: | I doubt it'll be subtle |
| [23:34:01] | Dagmar: | Did this just suddenly start happening? |
| [23:34:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, updated an image, and rebooted |
| [23:34:31] | wagnerrp: | however its the same exact kernel as was previously working |
| [23:34:38] | Dagmar: | Joy |
| [23:34:45] | Dagmar: | Plug the coax into a TV. |
| [23:34:53] | Dagmar: | You might not have cable anymore. It _does_ happen |
| [23:35:03] | wagnerrp: | there are four lines running off an amp |
| [23:35:09] | AndrewNC_: | well I assume it is computationally expensive to slow a film 1/1000 in realtime vs mastering |
| [23:35:10] | wagnerrp: | two are plugged into the two 150s getting static |
| [23:35:15] | wagnerrp: | one into a tv im currently watching |
| [23:35:21] | wagnerrp: | and one into a 1250 that works just fine |
| [23:35:25] | Dagmar: | AndrewNC_: Take your crazy to Wikipedia please |
| [23:35:51] | wagnerrp: | so unless those two ports on the amp just happened to go bad at exactly the same time, the input signal is fine |
| [23:35:56] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Something rather obvious should appear in dmesg then |
| [23:36:09] | AndrewNC_: | nothing there I didn't already know, just remaining irritated at the historically imposed format variety |
| [23:36:21] | Dagmar: | Probably something like "mah firmwares! they r gone!~" |
| [23:36:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a possibility |
| [23:36:33] | Dagmar: | AndrewNC_: Ignorance causes pain. |
| [23:37:45] | wagnerrp: | yep, here we go |
| [23:37:58] | wagnerrp: | ;encountered bad packet header, corrupt or not a hauppauge eeprom' |
| [23:38:06] | AndrewNC_: | I just think it is interesting they kep that historical oddity when moving to a format that would almost entirely be used on modern equipment |
| [23:38:25] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, i havent actually tested those cards on this kernel before |
| [23:38:34] | wagnerrp: | havent had anything to record analog all weekend |
| [23:38:37] | Dagmar: | Yeah, god forbid you actually suspect that you have some of the basics wrong |
| [23:39:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Either somefin' broke the kernel interface or you mysteriously blew up two cards |
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| [23:43:25] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: If it's any consolation, my PVR-500 si still fine at 2.6.31.1 |
| [23:43:35] | Dagmar: | s/si/is/; |
| [23:43:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this is some blend of 2.6.30 |
| [23:44:03] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, i dont think ive tested since upgrading from 2.6.27 |
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| [23:50:08] | Dagmar: | I can't think of anything offhand that _should_ have changed, but I'd check the relevant eeprom options |
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