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Monday, October 12th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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lydgate:

when I run mythtranscode on certain files (mpeg2 to mpeg2, just to cut commercials) I get this message: Found end of file without finding any frames

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lydgate:

the cutlists are similar to ones that work

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lydgate:

what does this message mean?

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sphery:

lydgate: how are you running mythtranscode? Using mythfrontend to start it? If so, which way, x while watching or INFO|Job Options|Transcode...

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mike_hurley_1:

i'm using trunk, are there any known issues with dvd menus in ISO files? i click the DVD Menu button on the remote and get an on screen message saying "DVD Menu unavailable" but the menu works just fine when i play the iso.

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[R]:

when you "play the iso"?

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mike_hurley_1:

no...so i pick an episode and in the middle click the dvd menu button then i get that message

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mike_hurley_1:

initial "play" of the iso the menu works fine and i can pick the episode i want to watch

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[R]:

what do you mean the menu works fine

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mike_hurley_1:

i mean i can navigate to an episode to watch

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mike_hurley_1:

i cannot get back to the dvd menu with the dvd menu button

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[R]:

and you use the dvd menu button to get there?

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mike_hurley_1:

no, i select the iso in the file listing in mythvideo and play the file and it goes into the menu

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[R]:

and so the comparison shows what exactly? you know... besides nothing

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mike_hurley_1:

there's no way to get back to the menu unless i skip to the end of the episode

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[R]:

its proabbly a bad disc

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[R]:

you sould file a bug report

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sphery:

mikeones: it's probably not a DVD root menu--perhaps a title menu or something

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iamlindoro:

he's gone

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sphery:

er, that was for mike_hurley_1, who didn't stick around to find out what the issue was

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sphery:

sorr mike ones

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** sphery needs to check autocomplete **

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, we could put in a flag to automatically load the first fanart immediately, but that doesn't help if the user doesn't have fanart for the first item, so it's probably best to leave it the way it is.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, You have me at a disadvantage, what were we talking about?

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MythBork:

Hey all. I'm having a problem with choppy sound on playback. I recently upgraded my motherboard/CPU/memory, and it was doing this before the upgrade as well. So I'm pretty sure it's not hardware. I've tried changing a few audio settings, but nothing seems to help. Does anyone have any ideas how I can diagnose and fix this?

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Captain_Murdoch:

we weren't talking, it was a previous conversation with greyfox I think and your commit to change the text in the fanart area in MV.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, That was just the default value for the "novideos" text area, no relation to fanart

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Captain_Murdoch:

I thought he was talking about the delayed loading of the fanart showing.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I must have misunderstood, nevermind. :)

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iamlindoro:

Appears for a very brief moment before the buttonlist is finished loading

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

saw "delayed loading" and thought it was because of my commit.

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iamlindoro:

naw, you're in the clear, I'm on the hook for this one :)

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iamlindoro:

(because I switched to using the Init menthod in MythVideo to speed up the perception that it was doing something)

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, that wasn't a very good sentence, but you get it

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sphery:

MythBork: did you see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause ?

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MythBork:

no sphery, let me go check that out, thanks

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sphery:

MythBork: look at all of them, though--not just "Audio Issues" (as the titles are the causes, not the symptoms--the symptoms of all are the same, and are what you're seeing)

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dlonie:

Hi all, I've got an odd problem when watching live tv. The "Please Wait" message appears for a few moments, then dumps me back to the menu. The log has the message "EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo"

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dlonie:

Obviously, I don't have any recordings from 1969 ;) Is this a bug, or do I need to tweak some settings?

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iamlindoro:

It means you're looking at frontend logs trying to diagnose a backend issue

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dlonie:

iamlindoro: Ah, good point!

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dlonie:

Ack, PVR150 != analog v4l device. All fixed now.

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tmkt:

btw..i manually added a couple recordings to 'recorded' table..anything else i should do, or should everything be ok?

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tmkt:

a couple recordings that happened after i backed up my mycnverg table and restored..that got lost in the mix

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on you having added them correctly

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iamlindoro:

meaning you populated all data and all tables correctly

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tmkt:

yeah

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tmkt:

thats what i'm wondering..any other table i should have touched?

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tmkt:

so far everything seems fine..i see them in the watch recordings section

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tmkt:

they play

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tmkt:

just hoping nothing bytes me in the ass

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iamlindoro:

You'll find out :)

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tmkt:

i know the row i inserted into recorded is 100% correct

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xaxes:

hey there.. whats the fastes way to add a new channel to mythtv?

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tmkt:

trunk working great with mythbuntu 9.04...except todays packages that mythbackend locked, but just rolled back

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cheeseboy:

anyone know a cap card that supports cablecards?

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[R]:

cheeseboy: nothing for linux

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cheeseboy:

for windows is fine

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wagnerrp:

theyve only recently been made available for purchase for end users

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iamlindoro:

Nothing supported by MythTV

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wagnerrp:

and windows is not fine, it must be windows media center

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cheeseboy:

i dont care bout mythtv

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wagnerrp:

meaning... youre in the wrong channel

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wagnerrp:

adios

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cheeseboy:

just thought one of you might know

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wagnerrp:

this is a mythtv support forum

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[R]:

wagnerrp: this is glorious... i've been using my myth system all day and its mostly stable

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wagnerrp:

since none of us can use cablecard tuners, none of us know much about them

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iamlindoro:

We don't do general HTPC Q&A, we're not paid enough to be random gurus

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cheeseboy:

wagnerrp, can you just give me a model # please?

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[R]:

rofl

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cheeseboy:

theres no where else to ask

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wagnerrp:

no, because i dont know

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wagnerrp:

you can ask the google

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iamlindoro:

go to AVSForum

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cheeseboy:

i have

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[R]:

cheeseboy: just because there is no where else, doesn't mean this is the correct place

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cheeseboy:

for 5 hours now

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cheeseboy:

only see series 3 tivos

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iamlindoro:

cheeseboy, You are not going to get your answers here

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wagnerrp:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cablecard+tuner

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cheeseboy:

which i dont want

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iamlindoro:

we *don't* *do* *cablecards* and more importantly, we don't provide off topic support

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wagnerrp:

is there a lmgtfy that dumps right into froogle?

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cheeseboy:

wagnerrp, theres that 1 ati card

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cheeseboy:

see in no stores

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wagnerrp:

cheeseboy: and thats it

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mchou:

cheeseboy: good luck getting that running

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kormoc:

anyone running a 2.6.31+ kernel and using it as a nfs client?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

You suspect a regression of some kind?

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kormoc:

Yeah, when using nfs v3 to a server on 2.6.28 it's connecting but all actual data transfers are erroring out

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kormoc:

with 2.6.30 as the client, it works fine

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Dagmar:

Damn that's not good

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Dagmar:

TIme to check the changelogs maybe

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kormoc:

Yeah, was just hoping someone else could verify too

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kormoc:

on every nfs lookup, it dumps nfs_stat_to_errno: bad nfs status return value: 45

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kormoc:

oh well, time to dive

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wagnerrp:

did gentoo recently unmask 2.6.31?

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Dagmar:

I am assuming you double-checked to ensure a minimum of configuration changes between .28 and .31

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kormoc:

Aye, twice

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Dagmar:

THat sort of thing sounds like something's got a wholly different header telling it what codes to return

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: no idea, I tend to just use the vanilla-sources

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wagnerrp:

ah

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kormoc:

perhaps recompiling the client libs...

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Dagmar:

Wait, you didn't do that already?

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Dagmar:

THey probably *do* need to be in sync, but I don't know why they might have changed either

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Dagmar:

Maybe there's something magical going on at compile time

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Dagmar:

REbuild the client libs against the new kernelstuffs

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kormoc:

they should have bumped the protocol revision if they changed the signature

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Dagmar:

YEah but there might be a change to the way something is organized in the kernel that a rebuild of the client libs would correct

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wagnerrp:

mythgallery supports video playback?

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sphery:

kormoc: the client choosing too large an rsize/wsize?

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kormoc:

client rebuild, no change

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kormoc:

sphery: hrm... shouldn't be, I'm just allowing it to choose itself

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sphery:

well, I think one of the new Linux kernels added "super large" buffers (up to 1MiB), so if they messed up the negotiation code... Might be worth specifying a 32kB size for each

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** kormoc nods **

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sphery:

if it doesn't work, not a huge loss of time :)

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kormoc:

sadly no joy, also toggled tcp/udp and soft/hard

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sphery:

:(

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I just think the kernel is busted

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kormoc:

doing a loop-back nfs mount fails the same way

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sphery:

kormoc: http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=124821114217752&w=2&n bsp;?

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sphery:

though that's a couple of issues--one at mount time and one at file open

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** kormoc peers **

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sphery:

though sounds like disabling the NFS 4.1 server option is a good thing

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kormoc:

I'm only serving nfs v3

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sphery:

yeah, but it sounds like having the 2.6.31+ kernel compiled with the experimental NFS 4.1 support is a bad thing at this point

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sphery:

worth checking your config

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kormoc:

yeah, I don't have v4 support compiled in :)

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sphery:

ah, then that's not the issue :)

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Weezey:

I started using cifs for my network mapping, soooo much faster than nfs

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wagnerrp:

cifs faster than nfs?

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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blarney:

hmm, "Extra Disk Space" under TV Settings->General only lets me enter up to "200" GB this is with SVN r21864 is this a known issue?

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kormoc:

why?

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blarney:

I have a 1 TB disk and I want to allocate only 400 GB to mythtv, the rest I want to reserve

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kormoc:

200 is a lot of gigs

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sphery:

blarney: partitions

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kormoc:

or setup quotas?

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blarney:

sphery: I don't want to repartition, why is there some arbitrary hard-coded limit?

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kormoc:

cause it's not designed to do that when there's better things to do it (quotas)

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kormoc:

if perchance you used up 800 gb of space with your non-myth stuff, even tho you have 200 gigs free, you wouldn't record anything

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kormoc:

(or in this case 600/400)

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blarney:

well, why set it an arbitrary limit

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sphery:

and even if you only want Myth to use 400GB of it, if you set 600GB it applies to /all/ your filesystems, so Myth will delete /every/ single recording off your 200GB HDD next time it records to there

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kormoc:

cause too high is broken for most people's setups

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sphery:

and myth only deletes when it records to the filesystem in question

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sphery:

and ...

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blarney:

at the very least there should a mention of the limit in the tooltip/doc thing

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sphery:

so, generally, that setting isn't too useful--and separate filesystems or proper quotas are a better approach

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kormoc:

I would have figured the fact that it won't go higher is a good indication that is the limit

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sphery:

just what I was thinking

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blarney:

but you have to get there to know that, it's bad UI

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kormoc:

nah

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kormoc:

it's a limit that 99.999% of people won't even know about

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blarney:

it should be mentioned at least because it is arbitrary

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kormoc:

and I only put it that high due to the number of folks in here

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kormoc:

everything's arbitrary...

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blarney:

why not just document it in the tooltip

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kormoc:

not a lot of room in the tooltips?

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blarney:

all you need to say is (max 200 GB)

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iamlindoro:

because the fact that you are the one and only person ever to ask about it means it's not necessary

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iamlindoro:

if one out of tens of thousands of myth users needs it, it means we don't need it

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kormoc:

would you care to know that all the numbers max out at 4294967295?

[03:49:36]

kormoc:

Recording Priority (max 4294967295)

[03:49:38]

blarney:

it can't do any harm to say: "Extra disk space (in Gigabytes) that you want to keep free on the recording file systems beyond what MythTV requires (maximum 200 GB)"

[03:49:39]

kormoc:

does that make any sense?

[03:50:23]

sphery:

I think the setting should just be removed--but then again I'm something of a hard line "Myth space is for Myth and no one else" believer

[03:50:31]

** kormoc agrees **

[03:50:31]

iamlindoro:

blarney, putting that in there only encourages everyone who reads it, who doesn't even plan to max it out, to come in and ask about it.

[03:50:35]

Dagmar:

blarney: Yes it can

[03:50:38]

kormoc:

I think we should default to 2gb or so

[03:50:52]

kormoc:

whoops, I'm wrong

[03:50:54]

blarney:

disk space is something users know and care about, I can't see a small 20–30 character change.

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Dagmar:

Unless you did something about it, the filesystem is already going to be reserving a chunk of disk for root only use

[03:51:01]

Dagmar:

Usually 5%.

[03:51:04]

blarney:

whatever, but please document it that's all I'm asking

[03:51:08]

kormoc:

Recording priority (-2147483647 to 2147483647)

[03:51:18]

iamlindoro:

blarney, No. OK? Just, no.

[03:51:20]

Dagmar:

If you try to tell myth to keep a hard limit on disk used, you might as well just buy smaller disks.

[03:51:27]

sphery:

wouldn't that be -2147483648 to 2147483647?

[03:51:29]

iamlindoro:

no more why, no more if, just no.

[03:51:33]

kormoc:

hrm

[03:51:34]

Dagmar:

blarney: No. It's a bad idead.

[03:51:41]

blarney:

iamlindoro: I don't understand why you would be so adverse to actually mentioning the limit

[03:51:43]

kormoc:

sphery: I was going off of c's INT_MAX

[03:51:47]

blarney:

really it's not so odd

[03:51:49]

kormoc:

but I might be wrong

[03:51:50]

blarney:

or remove it

[03:51:57]

blarney:

if it's so useless

[03:52:08]

kormoc:

okay

[03:52:14]

** kormoc goes to remove it **

[03:52:14]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, but the min's absolute value is one greater (at least in 2's complement notation)

[03:52:59]

kormoc:

blarney: you know, you could always just toggle the value in the database if you're so insistent you want it to do that...

[03:53:03]

blarney:

I don't think you need to be so hostile to a simple documentation fix

[03:53:21]

kormoc:

we're not hostile

[03:53:24]

blarney:

I'm sure I'm not the only person to have every puzzled about it

[03:53:34]

kormoc:

actually, as far as I can tell, yes, you are

[03:53:39]

kormoc:

via mailing list searches

[03:53:40]

blarney:

"no more why, no more if, just no" isn't exactly friendly

[03:53:49]

iamlindoro:

blarney, We aren't being hostile, we're explaining again and again that a) greater numbers aren't needed, and that the documentation is unneeded and only encourages further confusion

[03:53:49]

kormoc:

it's the truth

[03:53:52]

sphery:

blarney: really, you'd be much better off using some other approach to control it because that setting applies across all filesystems, so by setting 600GB, it would reserve that much on every filesystem you use in any TV storage group--so on every 500GB HDD, 1TB HDD, 2TB HDD

[03:53:56]

Dagmar:

That's right, whine about it.

[03:53:58]

iamlindoro:

You pushed until you got a curt reply

[03:54:09]

iamlindoro:

but you got multiple minutes of patient explanations first

[03:54:26]

blarney:

maybe nobody has asked on ML or irc, but it seems like an obvious weirdness

[03:54:39]

blarney:

iamlindoro: I understand quite perfectly, I just disagree

[03:54:42]

iamlindoro:

And we've expressed that we disagree

[03:54:45]

blarney:

ok, let's move on

[03:54:45]

iamlindoro:

end of story

[03:54:50]

iamlindoro:

ultimately, our opinion wins ;)

[03:55:02]

kormoc:

the whole commit access thing kinda does that

[03:55:04]

blarney:

right but you should at least be a bit more respectful to a user

[03:55:12]

Dagmar:

Dude, no

[03:55:21]

blarney:

dude, yes

[03:55:27]

Dagmar:

You kept on insisting your idea was right long after you'd been shown why it was very wrong.

[03:55:28]

Dagmar:

Get over it.

[03:55:29]

kormoc:

blarney: I'm so sorry Mr. using my work for free, might I polish your shoes too?

[03:55:29]

iamlindoro:

blarney, How many times *should* we patiently explain things to you without you listening?

[03:55:37]

iamlindoro:

blarney, And as a followup, when will my first paycheck arrive?

[03:55:59]

Dagmar:

If your mom yells at you because you keep trying to touch the cherry-red burner on the stove, you don't get to complain when she yells at you for trying it.

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blarney:

please, people, I am listening I'm not asking you that anyone must do it, just that it isn't an unreasonable idea

[03:56:30]

blarney:

now I know that you won't, I'll drop it

[03:56:45]

Dagmar:

It *is* an unreasonable idea.

[03:56:47]

Dagmar:

It's a _bad_ idea.

[03:56:52]

Dagmar:

It's fundamentally flawed.

[03:56:55]

kormoc:

it is when you can only fit 60 chars on a tool tip on a SD tv, adding another 30 is...

[03:57:06]

blarney:

Dagmar: having the setting maybe, not mentioning the limit isn't

[03:57:16]

Dagmar:

WHy would you mention a setting that doesn't exist?

[03:57:27]

blarney:

ok, well it doesn't anymore, that's fine

[03:57:31]

blarney:

ok, it's gone

[03:58:37]

tbone:

I wan't my rips to go from all my mythfrontends to my backend any suggestions?

[03:58:38]

blarney:

in any case, I am developer (in another context), and a user here, and I understand that you can have unreasonable users, who say they must do everything they ask, I'm sorry if my tone conveyed that initially, it wasn't my intention

[03:58:52]

blarney:

let's move on to better strategies

[03:58:55]

Dagmar:

tbone: Make them write to a filesystem mounted from your backend.

[03:59:00]

Dagmar:

Problem solved.

[03:59:02]

blarney:

for managing disk space

[03:59:09]

Dagmar:

blarney: THe thing deletes space as needed.

[03:59:19]

Dagmar:

There is no use in keeping space free "just in case"

[03:59:30]

kormoc:

blarney: there is a system, that's *standard* for unix systems, called disk quotas

[03:59:36]

blarney:

Dagmar: I do understand the concept

[03:59:39]

Dagmar:

If you're worried about the thing using space needed by something else, make better partitioning choices.

[03:59:54]

kormoc:

blarney: your distro likely has tools to setup nice a easy, just set the quota for the user mythbackend runs as to whatever you want, and it'll do the right thing

[04:00:17]

blarney:

Dagmar: right, but I would prefer to do that in software, I don't want to have to repartition (as I said before)

[04:00:31]

Dagmar:

SO what are you expecting to keep this space free for?

[04:00:40]

iamlindoro:

thus, *disk quotas*

[04:00:42]

kormoc:

blarney: and as I've said before, user quotas...

[04:00:45]

tbone:

alright thats pretty much what i thought, was just wondering if there was some niffty feature to spread it accross storrage direcotries

[04:00:52]

Dagmar:

...because it's not the backend's job to keep space free for other things.

[04:00:57]

Dagmar:

That's the _system's_ job

[04:01:02]

kormoc:

There is an answer! and it works! and it's standard!

[04:01:05]

blarney:

Dagmar: all my music photos etc. that have yet to be imported

[04:01:13]

blarney:

ok, quotas can work

[04:01:14]

Dagmar:

What about 'em?

[04:01:24]

sphery:

kormoc: you should respond to the -users list thread where the guys are complaining that Myth doesn't free up space when they fill up the "Extra Disk Space" if it's not recording

[04:01:32]

Dagmar:

lol

[04:01:39]

kormoc:

hehe

[04:01:39]

sphery:

they're saying it should just start deleting recordings while they copy stuff over

[04:01:50]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:01:57]

Dagmar:

They can write a cron job to do that if they want

[04:02:03]

sphery:

yeah

[04:02:05]

kormoc:

let's spend a core watching the free disk space!

[04:02:22]

kormoc:

cause everyone has plenty of cores these days

[04:02:25]

jamesd2:

just by more disk.. this response is fully supported and recomended by seagate, western digital, and all hard disk makers...

[04:02:32]

** Hodapp has two cores. **

[04:02:55]

blarney:

sphery: ok, so with disk quotas, do you need separate partition (been a long time since I ever had to use quotas)?

[04:02:57]

Hodapp:

slow cores. Intel Atoms.

[04:02:57]

poodyp:

watch -n .05 "df -h"

[04:02:59]

sphery:

I have more cores than an apple cider plant in October

[04:03:00]

poodyp:

yay

[04:03:02]

kormoc:

blarney: no

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blarney:

kormoc: you're talking about using the system "quota" utilities outside the myth system, right?

[04:04:10]

sphery:

blarney: yeah, kormoc knows quotas--I use separate disks (my version of separate partitions)

[04:04:22]

kormoc:

blarney: yes

[04:04:35]

blarney:

kormoc: I know you can do that on a per-user basis

[04:04:52]

kormoc:

right, hence setting the quota for the user mythbackend runs as

[04:06:01]

blarney:

kormoc: what will myth do when that quota is close to being reached?

[04:06:13]

kormoc:

myth will see the quota as the free disk space it has

[04:06:20]

kormoc:

when it gets to the end, it'll see it as out of space

[04:06:30]

iamlindoro:

and start autoexpiring your recordings

[04:06:35]

blarney:

ok, and so delete accordingly, ok, cool

[04:06:42]

kormoc:

it'll do the right thing (tm)(r)

[04:06:48]

blarney:

I have seen the error of my ways

[04:07:25]

blarney:

(well actually I saw that I was mistaken in my interpretation of that setting for about 20 mins)

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sphery:

Heh, the US Air Force just let slip that the Stargate program is real. There's a commercial for the AF that shows a couple of rescue guys parachuting into a forest with a view of a moon (taking about 20deg of skyline--versus our moon's 1/2 deg) on the horizon and a second moon behind it. At the end they say, "It's not science fiction. It's what we do every day."

[04:11:03]

sphery:

Wonder what General Hammond and General O'Neill are thinking in their retirement when they see that commercial.

[04:11:08]

Dagmar:

THey are messing with you

[04:11:26]

sphery:

you mean it might not be real?

[04:11:26]

Dagmar:

It's fancy camera trix

[04:11:42]

sphery:

wow... I thought everything on TV was real.

[04:11:55]

sphery:

OK, maybe not as true as everything on the Internet, but still, pretty true.

[04:12:25]

kormoc:

Wormhole eXtreme!

[04:13:00]

sphery:

so, wait, they're saying it's true, so that I'll think it's just a made up recruiting thing, so I won't realize it's really true?

[04:13:05]

blarney:

kormoc: I assume that the quota should apply to the user for mythbackend, not frontend

[04:13:08]

sphery:

Where's a Sicilian when you need one?

[04:13:12]

kormoc:

blarney: yes

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blarney:

kormoc: that's odd it seem to run as root by default (using packages for this)

[04:13:58]

sphery:

though frontend user actually can have files--for MythVideo, MythMusic, MythGallery, and other plugins (which are all frontend stuff)

[04:14:11]

kormoc:

blarney: then they're doing it wrong, what distro/package source?

[04:14:11]

sphery:

blarney: Fedora/Red Hat?

[04:14:17]

blarney:

sphery: yep

[04:14:25]

** kormoc eyes j-rod and xris **

[04:14:27]

sphery:

yeah, Fedora has issues

[04:14:30]

blarney:

sphery: this is j-rod_ 's package

[04:14:39]

blarney:

well, rebuilt for F-11

[04:14:49]

blarney:

not the most recent version in rawhide, though

[04:15:07]

sphery:

I don't remember the details of why they can't run as a normal user, but it has to do with permissions on devices not being set until a user logs in or something and mythbackend's being started before that

[04:15:07]

blarney:

which may have fixed that

[04:15:30]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[04:15:35]

sphery:

so, setting a quota for root of 400GB might not be a good thing... :(

[04:15:37]

blarney:

so I don't really want to set quota for root

[04:15:41]

blarney:

exactly

[04:16:01]

kormoc:

could always fake it as a new partition with a loopback filesystem

[04:16:02]

Dagmar:

That's good because root can and will ignore quotas

[04:16:31]

kormoc:

dd if-/dev/zero of=/mnt/1tb/myth.img bs=1m count=400000 or whatever, mke2fs on it and mount it and call it good

[04:16:51]

blarney:

kormoc: k

[04:16:54]

sphery:

blarney: or, is it LVM?

[04:17:01]

kormoc:

or that

[04:17:01]

sphery:

could really partition it, then

[04:17:32]

blarney:

sphery: lvm I think: df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

[04:17:32]

blarney:

/dev/mapper/vg_htpc-lv_root

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sphery:

yeah, can resize filesystems and repartition

[04:18:12]

blarney:

on the fly?

[04:18:17]

sphery:

though I haven't touched LVM in years, so I'm not the guy to help with that one

[04:18:18]

kormoc:

yes, that's the entire point of lvm

[04:18:40]

blarney:

kormoc: I thought it was mainly to have a single file system across disks

[04:18:47]

blarney:

I guess the rest comes with it

[04:19:02]

** blarney hasn't used lvm features much **

[04:19:04]

kormoc:

nah, it's to be flexable online

[04:19:23]

blarney:

I guess I only encountered it in that context

[04:19:28]

kormoc:

cause the other options raid/spanning required taking the device offline to modify

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blarney:

anyway for the moment I think I'm going to manually monitor my usage and delete manually

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blarney:

obviously once I fill up the rest of the disk with other stuff, mythbackend won't touch anything that's already used

[04:21:27]

sphery:

that's true

[04:22:26]

blarney:

new question: I've noticed that sometimes my TV dims when the picture has got a lot of black/dark areas. this mainly seems to happen with myth playback, but not (say) xbmc

[04:22:38]

blarney:

is there some setting that I'm missing?

[04:22:41]

kormoc:

erm

[04:22:51]

kormoc:

so the tv gets darker when it's displaying dark images?

[04:22:53]

** kormoc blinks **

[04:22:55]

blarney:

I thought it was a setting on the LCD

[04:23:00]

blarney:

kormoc: yeah, exactly

[04:23:00]

sphery:

could just dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/placeholder_file bs=100MB count=6000

[04:23:02]

blarney:

odd

[04:23:18]

sphery:

blarney: that's almost definitely a TV setting

[04:23:35]

kormoc:

sphery: heh, might not want to make the bs /too/ large, as dd attempts to create a memory buffer that size :)

[04:23:39]

blarney:

sphery: I thought so, but I couldn't seem to find the settings

[04:23:56]

sphery:

blarney: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396576#396576

[04:24:19]

blarney:

sphery: interesting, thanks!

[04:24:31]

sphery:

and, in a whole other thread thanks to his changing the title: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396609#396609

[04:24:43]

blarney:

sphery: I did a google search, but didn't come across that particular post

[04:24:45]

sphery:

SOLVED--how to prevent users from finding the solution in the future

[04:24:45]

** blarney goes to read **

[04:25:03]

sphery:

blarney: if you memorize all the posts on the list, it's easier to find

[04:25:19]

blarney:

sphery: :)

[04:25:34]

blarney:

sphery: this *exactly* describes my problem

[04:25:53]

** mag0o really does think sphery has all of the posts memorized **

[04:26:07]

kormoc:

I moved from just thinking that he does to knowing that he does

[04:26:09]

sphery:

yeah, it's probably exactly that--unfortunately, if your TV is a different brand, they probably used different words for the setting

[04:26:42]

blarney:

sphery: right, I systematically went through every setting (I thought and checked the user manual)

[04:26:52]

** blarney goes to check again **

[04:27:12]

sphery:

what people don't realize is I'm really just the "wet" storage in use by Gossamer Threads for the mythtv category

[04:27:18]

kormoc:

Image based real time dynamic contrast automatic modification

[04:27:33]

sphery:

Though I've gained some sentience and use IRC to escape my prison...

[04:27:38]

blarney:

sphery: ah, so for the RF cable input it doesn't do it, but for HDMI it might have some kind of setting

[04:27:43]

kormoc:

so much is explained

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sphery:

at least until I can build robots to control

[04:28:01]

sphery:

blarney: yeah, likely varies by input

[04:28:07]

kormoc:

sphery skynet, both have 6 letters and start with a s and have a e!

[04:28:18]

mag0o:

blarney: what brand tv?

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blarney:

mag0o: Samsung 40"

[04:28:39]

** blarney looks for model # **

[04:29:03]

mag0o:

sharp calls the option OPC, dunno about samsung

[04:29:04]

kormoc:

my samsung has a generic picture setting, standard, movie, something else and dynamic

[04:29:04]

sphery:

ooh... samsung

[04:29:12]

kormoc:

that's the setting to change I'd wager

[04:29:13]

sphery:

sounds like DNIe

[04:29:13]

blarney:

sphery: is that good or bad?

[04:29:17]

sphery:

*shudders*

[04:29:35]

sphery:

I have a Samsung and they have DNIe force-enabled on all inputs except VGA.

[04:29:36]

kormoc:

when the future enslaver of all of humanity shudders, you know it's bad

[04:29:38]

sphery:

I use VGA :)

[04:29:53]

sphery:

mine is old, though--I think they allow you to turn it off

[04:30:03]

blarney:

sphery: DNIe is the setting?

[04:30:12]

sphery:

even if they don't, you /can/ do it through the "Don't touch these" setup menus

[04:30:23]

sphery:

They might have a new name for it on newer models

[04:30:30]

sphery:

or LCD's (mine's a DLP)

[04:30:30]

blarney:

sphery: so they have "decided" for the user!?

[04:30:43]

mag0o:

blarney: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f90/lcd-tv-flic . . . blem-433026/

[04:31:14]

blarney:

sphery: Samsung – LN40B530 – 40" LCD TV – 1080p

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blarney:

mag0o: thanks, will check

[04:31:40]

sphery:

Digital Natural Image Engine

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blarney:

sphery: I have "Dynamic Contrast" in Advanced Settings for Picture already turned off

[04:34:12]

sphery:

blarney: looks like there's a Dynamic Mode that you may need disabled

[04:34:17]

sphery:

ahhh

[04:34:26]

sphery:

then maybe it is DNIe?

[04:34:53]

blarney:

there's also "HDMI Black Level" which is on "normal"

[04:35:14]

blarney:

the only other option is "Low"

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sphery:

blarney: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . post16040063 + the rest of that website (search by TV model)

[04:36:01]

sphery:

i.e. looks like it will require trial and error and modification of Black Level and RGB Range

[04:36:34]

blarney:

sphery: there is no "DNIe" option that I can see

[04:37:45]

sphery:

that might be in the setup menus that are meant for the techs

[04:37:49]

sphery:

that's where it is in mine

[04:38:15]

sphery:

you can get the remote codes for entering that on the 'net (at avsforum.com actually), but be careful as you can break things

[04:40:34]

blarney:

sphery: thanks

[04:40:51]

sphery:

look first at the Black Level and RGB Range, though

[04:41:32]

blarney:

sphery: by the way, is there any way you can reprogram the TV to accept input from the PC remote control rather than their included one?

[04:41:59]

sphery:

usually you have to reprogram the remote

[04:42:17]

sphery:

any universal remote should work

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jst_home:

or translate codes with an ir receiver/blaster using lirc

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sphery:

or that

[04:42:55]

sphery:

or, better, since Samsung gives out the serial codes for their TV's, just use LIRC to the computer, then serial control of the TV

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cheeseboy:

there an all in one card that works well in linux?

[04:43:19]

kormoc:

cheeseboy: no?

[04:43:21]

cheeseboy:

atsc/qam/analog

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sphery:

"all in one"?

[04:43:30]

sphery:

HVR-1600?

[04:43:41]

sphery:

by Hauppauge

[04:43:56]

sphery:

though it falls short of "all", it gets "all of America" :)

[04:44:08]

blarney:

sphery: I am using lirc with the computer (I have an Antec box with the included Veris remote RM 200 which works fine), what is serial control for the TV?

[04:44:29]

kormoc:

when you hook up the tv to the computer via a serial cable

[04:44:34]

sphery:

my tv has a serial port on it, and you can send commands to it

[04:44:37]

cheeseboy:

sphery, all 3 work under linux?

[04:44:51]

sphery:

all the commands in the remote are available through serial (and a couple more, IIRC)

[04:45:08]

sphery:

they may have another port type on newer tv's, but probably give info

[04:45:37]

cheeseboy:

sphery, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0

[04:45:45]

cheeseboy:

there are 3 of em :/

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cheeseboy:

matter which i get?

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sphery:

cheeseboy: The HVR-1600 does NTSC (analog) and ATSC with 8-VSB or QAM modulation in Linux

[04:46:16]

sphery:

the differences are likely remotes and/or white box/retail

[04:46:44]

sphery:

yeah, remotes differ

[04:46:50]

kormoc:

I think you should buy all three and let us know which one is best

[04:47:12]

blarney:

sphery: you mean an old-style serial port like used to be used for printers?

[04:47:17]

sphery:

though the last one is "Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 ATSC/ClearQAM/NTSC TV Tuner White Box 1101WB PCI Interface – Retail"

[04:47:24]

sphery:

a "Retail" white box :)

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kormoc:

blarney: printers used parallel ports, not serial ports

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cheeseboy:

but all 3 will work?

[04:47:51]

blarney:

kormoc: right, I mean mice

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cheeseboy:

dont want to buy another cap card that dont work in linux

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cheeseboy:

last time i opened it to read chips for devs and broke it

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mchou:

HVR-1600 most certainly DOES NOT work well in linux

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mchou:

avoid HVR-1600 like the plague

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sphery:

yeah, a DE-9 serial port

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sphery:

blarney: ^^^

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cheeseboy:

now its supported under linux but broke it

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cheeseboy:

X(

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cheeseboy:

so i basically donated $80 to v4l

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wagnerrp:

cheeseboy: i thought you were running windows

[04:52:56]

cheeseboy:

nope

[04:53:00]

cheeseboy:

im on linux

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kormoc:

so you were asking for windows hardware cause you were bored?

[04:53:28]

cheeseboy:

no

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mchou:

maybe cheeseboy runs windows in a vm

[04:53:49]

cheeseboy:

i want a cap card that supports cable cards

[04:54:02]

cheeseboy:

nut thats near impossible now

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mchou:

there are two

[04:54:09]

cheeseboy:

but*

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kormoc:

better then being impossible as it was previously

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cheeseboy:

so if i cant have pdtv i would atleast like to get to use an os i like

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mchou:

it's near impossible on linux, not impossible on windze

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wagnerrp:

s/windows/windows media center/

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cheeseboy:

mchou, i could only find ati tv wonder thing

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wagnerrp:

it takes the WMC DRM chain to make those cards work

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cheeseboy:

which u need special pc for

[04:55:48]

wagnerrp:

not any more

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wagnerrp:

they changed that a couple weeks ago

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mchou:

cheeseboy: that's no longer really true

[04:56:10]

cheeseboy:

you couldnt by it indivually anywhere either

[04:56:15]

cheeseboy:

buy*

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cheeseboy:

had to buy it in a pc

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wagnerrp:

not any more

[04:56:25]

mchou:

by xmas you can :)

[04:56:30]

wagnerrp:

they changed that a few weeks ago

[04:56:43]

cheeseboy:

i want now not xmas >:

[04:56:56]

wagnerrp:

or at least they allowed people to start selling it as of a couple weeks ago

[04:57:02]

cheeseboy:

prolly be like $300+ too

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mchou:

ceton is coming out with stuff around xmas

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kormoc:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VOG04A/ref=asc_d . . . N=B000VOG04A

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kormoc:

$240

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cheeseboy:

out of stock

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kormoc:

so?

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kormoc:

there's plenty more on froogle that are in stock

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wagnerrp:

and just what exactly makes it $240

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mchou:

cheeseboy: what's wrong with using the pvr cableco provides at around $10/mo?

[04:58:02]

wagnerrp:

all the crypto hardware is built into the CAM

[04:58:10]

wagnerrp:

so its just a QAM tuner and a card slot

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cheeseboy:

mchou, it cant transfer to pc

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kormoc:

cheeseboy: with a hdpvr, it does

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** [R] hugs his hdpvr **

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mchou:

cheeseboy: lol

[04:58:31]

kormoc:

or firewire

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kormoc:

(if you're lucky)

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mchou:

hdpvr

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cheeseboy:

well im not

[04:58:53]

cheeseboy:

i dont have dvr atm

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kormoc:

you don't need a dvr, just the cablebox

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wagnerrp:

cheeseboy: well with that cablecard tuner, your content will never leave the MCE box it was recorded on

[04:59:20]

cheeseboy:

well i have one

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mchou:

cheeseboy: transfer to PC is overrated anyways

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cheeseboy:

mchou, im an encoder

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wagnerrp:

its encrypted all the way up to the TV it displays on

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[R]:

wagnerrp: and they can stop you frmo recording arbitrary stuff

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wagnerrp:

an encoder?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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wagnerrp:

meaning?

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mchou:

cheeseboy: you're an encoder? wth does that mean?

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mag0o:

he encodes stuff

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cheeseboy:

i encode shit on tv then share w/ ppls over interwebs

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[R]:

p-p-p-p-iracy

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cheeseboy:

mostly cartoons

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wagnerrp:

well then this conversation ends right now

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mchou:

mag0o: yes, I had gathered that

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[R]:

cheeseboy: YOU are the reason we have to put up with all the crap we have to

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mag0o:

;)

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cheeseboy:

anyways enough w/ offtopic

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wagnerrp:

[R]: thats a bunch of crap

[05:01:18]

[R]:

wagnerrp: what?

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kormoc:

cheeseboy: ban next time you speak of pirating crap

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wagnerrp:

they dont care about piracy, they just want control of the general consumer

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

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cheeseboy:

anyways

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wagnerrp:

theyre not stupid, they have to realize nothing they do will stop the commercial pirate

[05:02:23]

cheeseboy:

is there a qam/atsc/analog tuner that works in linux?

[05:02:27]

cheeseboy:

preffly pci

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[R]:

cheeseboy: there are tons of qam tuners

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tbone:

really nice karmic has fracked up the update

[05:02:55]

cheeseboy:

[R], i want one that does everything

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cheeseboy:

not just qam

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wagnerrp:

tbone: its called developmental for a reason

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tbone:

half the packages didn't get updated

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[R]:

cheeseboy: i have an ati hdtv wonder that does qam/atsc and supposedly does analog... although i've never been able to get it to work

[05:03:44]

cheeseboy:

hd-pvr-1950 is only one ive found from googling

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cheeseboy:

seems expensive though

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[R]:

whats the point of having 1 card

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[R]:

you generaly want multiple cards...

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tbone:

yeah yeah, man 4 months no massive mess ups then bam just before it goes live

[05:04:47]

cheeseboy:

why would i buy 3 cards when 1 can do same thing?

[05:04:54]

kormoc:

so you can record 3 things at once?

[05:05:07]

kormoc:

cheeseboy: you realize, with one card, you can only use one of the sources at a time, right?

[05:05:12]

wagnerrp:

if you just want a single card that does everything under linux, your two options are the 1600 and the 1800

[05:05:15]

mag0o:

but...there's only one cartoon network

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wagnerrp:

and analog capture does not work under mythtv on the HVR-1800

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kormoc:

there's no ATSC cartoon network...

[05:05:50]

wagnerrp:

issue in the analog driver that mythtv doesnt like

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cheeseboy:

kormoc, i can already record 2 shows on satilite on my hacked tivo

[05:06:28]

cheeseboy:

just want a backup on pc

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wagnerrp:

no one in this channel is going to recommend you use a framegrabber for analog

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cheeseboy:

framegrabber?

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wagnerrp:

and those are the only two digital cards, with mpeg encoders that work under linux

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[R]:

i have a bttv

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[R]:

it got me through college

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kormoc:

I wouldn't have made it though college if it wasn't for that horse

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cheeseboy:

i have crappy wintv go plus

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cheeseboy:

is awful

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kormoc:

that's a framegrabber

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[R]:

kormoc: horse?

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** mag0o didn't make it through college **

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cheeseboy:

colors all wrong

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wagnerrp:

good job kormoc... now [R] is going to have a brain aneurysm

[05:08:07]

kormoc:

[R]: http://www.squidoo.com/IfItWerentForMyHorse

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cheeseboy:

wagnerrp, is there card w/o mpeg2 encoder that works?

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wagnerrp:

plenty, i refuse to recommend one

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kormoc:

cheeseboy: cards without mpeg2 encoders are framegrabbers...

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kormoc:

(for the purposes of analog)

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[R]:

kormoc: what are you implying about my bttv... lol

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cheeseboy:

so why not recomend one of those?

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wagnerrp:

because theyre crap

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wagnerrp:

and for the purposes of mythtv, they suck

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wagnerrp:

remember, this is a mythtv channel

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kormoc:

cheeseboy: cause even you said it was aweful and had bad colors...

[05:09:50]

cheeseboy:

mones really old tho

[05:09:54]

kormoc:

let's recommend you something you already told us you hate!

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cheeseboy:

bottom of the line

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mchou:

umm, that applies equally to HW encoders

[05:10:05]

tbone:

what about hdhomerun?

[05:10:16]

kormoc:

tbone: doesn't do analog afaik?

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cheeseboy:

atsc qam only :(

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mchou:

bad colors are result of crappy tuners they put on capture cards

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cheeseboy:

almost bought that and then saw was no analog

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wagnerrp:

theyre all give crappy quality video, but at least mpeg encoders make it easy to use

[05:11:03]

kormoc:

cheeseboy: and if it's to be only used as a backup for your tivo, why do you care about analog?

[05:11:29]

cheeseboy:

because i dont have qam cartoon network

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wagnerrp:

and honestly, if youre not going to use this for mythtv, you should be asking on #linuxtv

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kormoc:

so then you lied, it's not only a backup

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kormoc:

so get a pvr 150 and a hdhomerun

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kormoc:

there, best of both worlds

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cheeseboy:

kormoc, backup for if tivo misses a recording

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kormoc:

this is getting more absurd

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kormoc:

Are we on some super geeky irc candid camera?

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tbone:

any word on the street when .22 gets official

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kormoc:

tbone: we were shooting for branching tonight, but it's likely tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

Tuesday

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kormoc:

or that

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iamlindoro:

Tuesdayish for release, anyway, as kormoc says the branch is supposed to be tonight/tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

(which ~= releasE)

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iamlindoro:

er !=

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: anything you need from me for 6885?

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tbone:

wow, think i'll wait fixing my mythtv for a couple days. Thats really good to hear.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: nah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: I'll get that tonight for sure

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** iamlindoro wonders if he should steel reinforce his mailbox for a kormoc commitfest **

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cheeseboy:

kormoc, $35 for pvr150 sound fair?

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wagnerrp:

bit high

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wagnerrp:

you should try for $20

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wagnerrp:

$35-$40 for a 500

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cheeseboy:

where to buy?

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wagnerrp:

ebay mostly, i think ncix still has back stock

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cheeseboy:

lol $100 on ncix

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: heh, unlikely, I don't have many outstanding bugs

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Heh, me neither! I am at last comfortable calling MV "ready" for .22

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: wanna peer at #7290? It's a french translation

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, sure

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lydgate:

sphery: nope, running it from the commandline with a command like this: mythtranscode -c 1015 -s 2009-07-03-01-40–00 --mpeg2 --honorcutlist --showprogress

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rwat:

any idea where I can a 0.22 dmg for OSX?

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rwat:

or can I start the backend with an older protocol?

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rwat:

backend – ubuntu karmic on 0.22 protocol version 50. but I only seem to be able to get 0.21 dmgs for my OSX front end :(

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clever:

every front and backend must be running identical versions

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rwat:

ok, so I either need to find a versino of 0.22 for my Mac Mini, or install karmic on that

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justinh:

not just identical versions – technically all machines must run the same *revision* too

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clever:

i just compile it for every system

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justinh:

me too :)

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clever:

gives me full control over the exact revision of code

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justinh:

it's not like it's hard or overly time-consuming :)

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clever:

ive trown together some makefiles and scripts, so i can just run 'make' and it will update svn and recompile

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clever:

for mythtv, mplayer, wine, and ffmpeg

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justinh:

no frontend of mine will ever need the last 3 :)

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clever:

i'm sharing the --prefix between frontends and desktop machines

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clever:

and the mythweb box, which needs ffmpeg from source

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justinh:

I don't really have a desktop machine anymore :)

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clever:

all of my nfs rooted frontends have half-evoled into desktop use

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rwat:

any advice on building myth on OSX?

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rwat:

does it need xcode?

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justinh:

meh. mythtvthemes.co.uk is up for renewal. I say "And?"

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** sid3windr grabs it and fills it up with banners **

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tank-man:

rwat, most likely yes

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mac#Building_MythFrontend_yourself

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rwat:

justinh: ahh very cool thanks

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tank-man:

I remember there was a web site that has daily automatic builds for mac

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tank-man:

http://www.thesniderpad.com//index.php?option . . . ect&id=3

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rwat:

yeah, those are all 0.21

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rwat:

unless you can see something I can't

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sulx:

rwat: its trunk

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sulx:

0.22 doesn't exist yet

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rwat:

someone shold tell the ubuntu packagers that

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rwat:

ii mythtv-backend 0.22.0~trunk22304–0ubuntu1 A personal video recorder application (server)

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tank-man:

someone like an ubuntu user? :)

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rwat:

I might just do that :)

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tank-man:

it says "trunk" in that string you pasted

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justinh:

yeah but it says 0.22 too

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sulx:

it's right one, tho there isn't really 0.22 version yet ;)

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justinh:

no 'really' about it. there ain't

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rwat:

so are there any recent trunk dmgs I should be trying out?

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rwat:

or is it a case of build it yourself?

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justinh:

0.22 is reckoned to be out this week as a matter of fact. possibly tomorrow

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rwat:

the sniderpad downloads all claim to be 0.21-fixes

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rwat:

anyone using boxee to view their mythtv backend?

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justinh:

nobody ever owned up to it here

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rwat:

dare I try it :)

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justinh:

chances are it'll work but there are disadvantages to using it

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sulx:

I use xbmc for some recordings(trunk has issues with some subtitles)...

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justinh:

no arbitrary skipping (type a number, and skip X minutes)

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justinh:

no timestretch/time-compression

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rwat:

not too worried about those particularly

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rwat:

however I doubt it'll work if an old mythtv-frontend doens't

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rwat:

unless there's something modular about it

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rwat:

it seems to me that myth could probably multuply it's version numbers by 10

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rwat:

instead of having fixes-xxxx why not just have point increments?

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** rwat is probably too trad **

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justinh:

everything is a point increment :P

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justinh:

having not yet passed 1.0

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rwat:

I think this next release should be 1.0 not 0.22 :)

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justinh:

fork it & call yours 1.0

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rwat:

good idea

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rwat:

been using mythtv for years, and I think it has gone up by 0.05 in that time

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justinh:

used mythtv since 0.16 here :)

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justinh:

roughly 0.01 a year

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clever:

i think i started with 0.14 or something

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clever:

but that was because the packages sucked, i instantly updated to 0.20

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clever:

it was so old that the ring buffers where actual ring buffers :P

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rwat:

oh yes I remember proper ring buffers

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justinh:

and so many users whined that they couldn't elect to 'save' a livetv recording that it was changed. then loads of users complained about the change

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clever:

lol

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clever:

you can never make them all happy

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rwat:

I like how it is now

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** sid3windr too **

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rwat:

however I can still easily fill up a terabyte of storage too quickly – can anything be done about that ;-)

[10:29:09]

justinh:

yes. get a bigger disk

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justinh:

delete what you've watched

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sid3windr:

a bigger disk gets you in with the ladies!

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sid3windr:

oh wait, what?

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justinh:

deleting what you've already watched makes you smart :)

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sid3windr:

why delete if it can autoexpire!

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justinh:

same thing :)

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rwat:

the problem with autoexpring is that there are 4 people in the house

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rwat:

and they might not watch everything at the same time

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rwat:

and then again they might :)

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justinh:

wonder whatever happened to the communal experience

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justinh:

I'd just say it's their loss if they don't get round to watching something fast enough :P

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** sid3windr agrees **

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rwat:

yeah but often that's me :)

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rwat:

I'll just buy another 1TB store

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justinh:

so weight the shows you like appropriately & others will expire first ;-)

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justinh:

I need to talk my wife into letting me delete a few hundred gigs of stuff

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justinh:

or I could just 'lose' the old stuff when I upgrade soon :D

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justinh:

same way the ITV channels will no longer work :D

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justinh:

wait – as if that'll stop her watching her blessed soaps & karaoke-factor

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Seventoes:

having some trouble getting my snapstream firefly working in ubuntu 9.04 :(

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justinh:

see #lirc

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Seventoes:

lirc installed fine with no errors but irw shows nothing

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Seventoes:

10 users :( ill try it

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justinh:

try #ubuntu then. many more users than here even :P

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justinh:

if user numbers have anything to do with anything

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Seventoes:

well it's 7am here so i figure the more people in the room the more chance of someone being up, haha

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clever:

na, its 8am and i'm leaving for bed :P

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justinh:

sigh

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Seventoes:

boo noones up :-/

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Seventoes:

all the references i can find to this are for ubuntu 8 and <

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Seventoes:

and nothing in those posts helps :(

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justinh:

when you say irw shows nothing what do you mean – does it just sit there or does it return you to the prompt?

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Seventoes:

just sits there

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Seventoes:

button presses on remote do nothing

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justinh:

means lircd is running then at least :)

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justinh:

and irw can connect to it ok

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Seventoes:

yeah.. i had to create /var/run/lirc folder manually though o.O

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Seventoes:

to run lircd

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justinh:

/var/run/lirc ?

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justinh:

never had to ponce around with that

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Seventoes:

when i ran lircd it told me /var/run/lirc/somefile didnt exist

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Seventoes:

so i mkdir /var/run/lirc and it worked fine

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Seventoes:

which i thought was odd

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justinh:

did you install lirc from the packages?

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Seventoes:

from apt

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justinh:

lirc on ubuntu was a PITA as I remember it

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Seventoes:

apt-get install lirc did it for me

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justinh:

I tried that a few times. ended up building it & configuring it myself

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Seventoes:

i tried that first

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justinh:

is there /etc/lirc/lircd.conf ?

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justinh:

I mean one specifically for your remote?

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Seventoes:

there's one for a snapstream X10 remote, which is the only one looking similar to mine

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Seventoes:

but shouldnt something show up in irw anyways?

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justinh:

not if it's BS, no

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justinh:

if the codes in lircd.conf don't agree with what your remote actually emits you won't get any valid buttons – i.e. irw will just sit there

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Seventoes:

ah

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justinh:

'mode2' is the command you use to determine whether *any* data is being received

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justinh:

it won't report which button was pressed but will verify button presses are being received

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justinh:

lircd shouldn't be running for that to work IIRC

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rwat:

justinh: I "rescanned" my mythtv box the other night to pick up the freeview changes – turned out to be a bigger job than I thought

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Seventoes:

mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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justinh:

jesus. you don't get around to stuff in a hurry

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** rwat is lucky that his wife doesn't like I'm an dx-factor idol or coronation enders. **

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justinh:

there are worse blights a husband can have to endure of course

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justinh:

the plus side of doing that with mythtv is less aggregate time is spent watching the crap. Timestretch – ads :)

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justinh:

it's a kind of lose-win situation

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rwat:

justinh: do you have much success with ad detection? I find that it's completely wrong

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justinh:

never bother with it

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justinh:

it's a waste of CPU cycles in the UK

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justinh:

watch any show regularly you get to know how long the breaks are & you can set a playback profile accordingly, then just use the 'skip' button

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justinh:

saves seeking back after an incorrect commskip :P

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justinh:

also saves seeing ads by mistake

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justinh:

had the misfortune of catching the toolstation advert the other day when I couldn't find the remote. I wanted to cut my ears off

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justinh:

makes webuyanycar.com sound like genius :(

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rwat:

worst thing for me at the moment is itv player – constant adverts for viagra

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jduggan_:

justinh: you obviously havent seen webuyanygold.com !

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jduggan_:

:P

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Seventoes:

ok.. got mode2 running but i'm getting no input

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Seventoes:

:(

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Seventoes:

meh ill work on it later.. school time

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Seventoes:

cya

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justinh:

From the director of 'SAW' (I think) – German forklift safety video: http://www.noob.us/humor/german-forklift-safety-video/

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tbone:

i just thought of something mythtv should have, the ability to use a second sound card, ie headset , without haveing to reconfigur the setup

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jduggan_:

excellent

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tbone:

tbone: what an amazing idea i'll get write on it, will make it in just in time for .22 tonight 8)

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jduggan_:

you got a patch?

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wombo:

I dont think it will get in for .22 as it is already in Feature freeze and this is a feature

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tbone:

yeah I know, i was joking to my alter ego

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wombo:

But it would get in to .23 which by the sounds of it will have a substantially shorter release timeframe than the previous

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justinh:

if it works :)

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justinh:

audio profiles. Hmmm

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tbone:

well, you know i got my smarthome crap going on and everyone has mythtv in there rooms, gets anyonying having everyone not using earphones

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tbone:

but it is alway nice not to where earphones when you want not to wear them

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rwat:

does anyone know a way to boost the volume inside the mythtv app? This may be a mac question, but if I switch to youtube after watching myth I'm deafened

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justinh:

nope

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rwat:

myth seems to be a lot quieter

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justinh:

there is no way yet. I remember somebody submitting an auto volume patch a while back. no idea what happened to it

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justinh:

rwat: blame the broadcaster most of the time. certainly if you use digital tv

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rwat:

it's made a bit worse because I output to USB audio which renders the main volume control ineffective

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justinh:

never tried usb audio in linux

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tbone:

talking about volume got mythtv audio over hdmi connection to hdmi monitor (not a tv) .

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justinh:

wonder if it's as laggy as it is in windows

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rwat:

and from there digitally to AV receiver

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justinh:

tbone: myth can't control digital audio

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tbone:

Is there any way of adjusting the volume

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justinh:

there's a patch for that but it won't make it into 0.22

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justinh:

personally I wouldn't want digital audio messed with. kinda defeats the object of passing a digital stream through

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tbone:

yeah the whole cable connection problem sucks

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tbone:

i can't believe theres not a good universal cable yet

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justinh:

HDMI is

[13:09:13]

justinh:

what's allegedly wrong with it?

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tbone:

yeah but u need a chip with substantialy higher power to decode the audio than you would if it wasn't wraped up the way it is

[13:09:52]

[Peter]:

justinh: the connector sucks :)

[13:10:02]

justinh:

[Peter]: ever used SCART?

[13:10:36]

[Peter]:

justinh: yeah, SCART kind of has the opposite problem.. they get stuck instead of falling out

[13:10:51]

justinh:

what really sucks are expensive HDMI cables which are too thick & stiff for the job :P

[13:10:54]

rwat:

I'm glad scart is just about dead

[13:11:14]

tbone:

what ever happened to using fiber anyway?

[13:11:16]

justinh:

never had a scart plug get stuck. always falling out

[13:11:37]

rwat:

in my non-HD world I'm considering going from DVI to s-video to save on wires running across to the TV – anyone know how much of a degredation

[13:11:42]

justinh:

using good quality cable the weight of the wiring pulls it out

[13:11:45]

rwat:

I am likely to experience?

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tbone:

I hate apple but they have a good solution to this problem comming

[13:12:07]

justinh:

displayport is no better than HDMI

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** rwat loves apple **

[13:12:38]

justinh:

the trend in electronic interconnects is to put faster signals on ever cheaper connectors :P

[13:12:58]

justinh:

look at how flimsy SATA is compared to PATA :P

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tbone:

displayport at least has fibe option

[13:13:06]

justinh:

meh

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** rwat is still trying to work out what was really gained by moving to SATA **

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justinh:

rwat: if you're talking about a 'DVI to svideo' adapter the likes of a mac mini uses – it'd only work on a mac machine

[13:13:41]

rwat:

other than smaller connectors

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rwat:

justinh: yeah I was thinking for my Mac Mini frontend box

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justinh:

it can't actually *convert* DVI to svideo.

[13:14:20]

justinh:

it's just a dumb adapter to bring the signals out & switching is done by the video hardware

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rwat:

what I would really like is to get component video out of the front end, but that seems hard/expensive

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tbone:

huh i component out?

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lyricnz:

rwat: you don't have dvi on your tv?

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tbone:

thats been done, i have it

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rwat:

I do have DVI and VGA/RGB whatever you call it

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tbone:

just get a component out video card.

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rwat:

tbone: how did you do that?

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[Peter]:

why not just use DVI/HDMI?

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tbone:

i use some ati 3xxx series card

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rwat:

because I have more than one source for the tv and I want a single wire

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lyricnz:

rwat: DVI is better if you can do it. easier on the gfx card, easier on the tv, faithful reproduction etc.

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justinh:

MEH

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lyricnz:

so tie your audio wires to the dvi cable :)

[13:17:18]

lyricnz:

Or wrap them all in a cable tidier

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rwat:

more than that I want a single switch

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rwat:

I have a perfectly good Arcam AVR-250 to do the switching

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tbone:

i have one old clunker tv that still uses component, thats only reason i use it

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[Peter]:

ah, old receiver.

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rwat:

well at the moment my tv is only 848x480 so there's not a lot of point going too mad on the quality

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lyricnz:

dvi ain't mad. it's way easier than analogue

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rwat:

at some point I will upgrade the whole lot, but until that day, I would really like to get everything going through the arcam, so that changing sources doesn't require 6 button presses

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[Peter]:

lyricnz: yes, but his receiver probably doesn't have DVI inputs. and if I understood correctly he wanted to use it as source switch

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rwat:

[Peter]: you've hit the nail on the head right there

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tbone:

its funny the hdmi 1.4 spec

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tbone:

has ethernet

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lyricnz:

ya, analog vs digital, ugh

[13:20:42]

rwat:

yeah I do wonder why we've got hdmi and why nobody just thought of using ethernet for the whole thing

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rwat:

obviosuly not enough patents there

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[Peter]:

I'm pretty sure 1080p uses more than 1Gbps.

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justinh:

try about 2.5Gbps

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[Peter]:

and there's no copper standard for 10Gbps yet

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justinh:

another thing, RJ connectors, even shielded ones.. are rubbish

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rwat:

are you assuming raw data transfer there?

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[Peter]:

10G fiber transceivers are way to expensive

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justinh:

nobody would want to transfer compressed video

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justinh:

well, nobody with any taste

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rwat:

why not, it would be fairly trivial to have an mpeg decoder on the tv

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tbone:

well if i was designing the solution to this cable nightmare, it would be fiber split into spectrums like old school cable stbs, that way u can have video ,audio ,etc all on separate channels.

[13:23:24]

justinh:

rwat: TALK SENSE. sheesh

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justinh:

re-compressing stuff on the fly would be stupid

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justinh:

esp. when it's only going what.. a couple of metres most of the time

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[Peter]:

rwat: there is enough quality degradation in the source compression

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rwat:

it goes nearly most of the way compressed doesn't it?

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justinh:

and multiple encode/decode cycles of material produces nasty artifacts

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rwat:

or does a DVB-T HD receiver really receive it at 2.5gb/sec?

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[Peter]:

rwat: yes, but recompressing it introduces more noise

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rwat:

I don't mean recompressing I mean don't uncompress it in the first place

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** justinh thinks schools should really block IRC connections **

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justinh:

rwat: that's what a freeview TV is :P

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[Peter]:

rwat: so basically you'd have to buy a new TV whenever someone introduces a new codec

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justinh:

sigh

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[Peter]:

rwat: and then you have the problem with video consoles, computers etc

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rwat:

[Peter]: no reason these days why a tv cant be upgraadable

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justinh:

bullshit

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rwat:

hehe, you guys have no vision ;-)

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justinh:

no, we're just realists

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justinh:

we don't like in cloud cuckoo land

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justinh:

*live

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rwat:

calm down I'm only pulling your chain a bit

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justinh:

we see the economic reasons manufacturers are short-sighted :P

[13:27:31]

justinh:

yeah well STFU

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tbone:

thats why tvs should be dumb as possible , and mythtv be as smart as possible

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[Peter]:

rwat: and besides, HDMI works good enough, it just needs a better connector :)

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tbone:

makes it cheaper to upgrade over life time

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justinh:

[Peter]: if gear had some kind of gripping mechanism...

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rwat:

I'm not claiming to know anything about video, just so there's no doubt ;-)

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justinh:

like a couple of spring clips would cost much..

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rwat:

what does HDMI give the DVI doesn't ?

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justinh:

audio

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[Peter]:

rwat: audio

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tbone:

audio

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[Peter]:

lol

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rwat:

only audio?

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justinh:

and now ethernet

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rwat:

hmm

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[Peter]:

rwat: HDMI is pretty much DVI+audio

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tbone:

no more than audio

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rwat:

I don't really want audio coming out of my tv

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tbone:

it has some other minor differences

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rwat:

what a pity that it's hard to get an AV amp with DVI

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justinh:

think the ethernet is done *in* the HDMI video signalling

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tbone:

like there a data channel to pass lirc like data

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justinh:

that and DVI can be analogue OR digital ;-)

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[Peter]:

rwat: eh? you don't have to forward the audio through the HDMI cable to the TV

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[Peter]:

rwat: but it's pretty nice that there is one cable going from the HTPC to the receiver.

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justinh:

as opposed to 6 cables per video source :P

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justinh:

HDMI connectors are way cheaper than BNC :D

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rwat:

[Peter]: yeah if only my HTPC had hdmi output

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justinh:

and HDMI cabling is way cheaper than good quality coax

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tbone:

displayport i like cuz of the fiber option

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justinh:

anyway, we're *stuck* with HDMI for a good while yet

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[Peter]:

tbone: what does fiber give you?

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tbone:

you ever try to pull an hdmi through a piece of conduit

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justinh:

tbone: what does fibre give you apart from something else you can't use with your ancient TV/receiver? :-P

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justinh:

tbone: that's cuz it's not designed for installations by dummies

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[Peter]:

tbone: sure, I have 12m of it in my house

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[Peter]:

tbone: going from the preprocessor to the projector

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tbone:

it gives you a smaller connetcor head, a single cable that is future expandable, upgradeable, large bandwidth

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justinh:

it gives you infinitely more expensive transmit/receive electronics...

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tbone:

another words u wont have to run a cable in your house ever again

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justinh:

running new cables needn't break your back if you do it right the 1st time

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justinh:

you're just whining for the sake of it now

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tbone:

dude no it doesn't

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tbone:

you ever look at the cost of an led

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tbone:

cheap

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justinh:

LEDs are not fast enough

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[Peter]:

justinh: yeah, once the builders put the conduit in the wall it took me 10 minutes to get the cable through

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justinh:

sending that kind of data over fibre takes VERY complex kit

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justinh:

WDM & crap

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tbone:

thats why you have it multiplexed like old school cable boxes

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tbone:

that way low frequency light can be used for audio

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justinh:

tbone: stop now

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[Peter]:

has this become #crackpipe or what? :)

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

just use string. if you pull it tight enough without breaking it...

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justinh:

anyway the bottom line is consumer-grade AV connectors will always suck because they're made to a price point not a spec

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justinh:

so what if the connectors fall out or the sockets break? the customer will buy new ones

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[Peter]:

.. and then the idiots starts to manufacture $300 digital cables

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[Peter]:

well, I guess they're not idiots. they make a lot of money :)

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ivangarcia:

hi guys, I'm trying to set up mythtv on my ubuntu with this card, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/August_DVB-T201

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ivangarcia:

i installed his firmware, dmesg seems to recognize i

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ivangarcia:

but when i run mythtv it says

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justinh:

so what if a new standard comes along which isn't backwards compatible? the customers will all buy new ones. at least the ones who want to keep up ;-)

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ivangarcia:

TV Error: Failed to get recording show list

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justinh:

ivangarcia: problem one – you don't run 'mythtv'

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justinh:

problem two – you've not read the setup instructions yet, I'll bet

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ivangarcia:

justinh, i tried to run mythv-setup

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justinh:

and?

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[Peter]:

ivangarcia: make sure the card is running properly by using scan, tzap and mplayer before trying to run myth

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ivangarcia:

thks to both, i'll come back if i get stuck again...

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ivangarcia:

[Peter], mplayer will also work with DVB-T ?

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ivangarcia:

or only analog TV

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[Peter]:

ivangarcia: it'll work with DVB-T together with tzap

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justinh:

try kaffeine too

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[Peter]:

ivangarcia: running myth even when the TV-card is working usually has it's own set of problems.. isolating the card related ones before trying to run myth is usually easier

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justinh:

always verify your hardware is OK *before* trying mythtv

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ivangarcia:

ok

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justinh:

can save newbies *days* worth of effort :P

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justinh:

Poo. Sky are getting in on the music downloads game now

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resno:

Hey guys and gals

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** justinh reports a thread on mythtvtalk.com to a moderator **

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resno:

mzb: are you using x10 for your automation thingy?

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wombo:

and SCART is only used in Europe

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justinh:

blimey. that conversation ended a while ago

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justinh:

ROFLMAO. some guy connected his STB to his PVR card & is trying to add channels by scanning. Whoops!

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justinh:

not gonna be worth trying to explain that one to the guy

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jduggan_:

lol

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wombo:

lol, I was reading the backlog

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justinh:

you really can't make some of this stuff up :-\

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wombo:

I just thought I would throw it outthere for someone to grab

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rwat:

I once did grab a scart that someone threw – cut my hand open

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justinh:

what I'd like to know is – how the hell did he even manage to wire it all up? :-O

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justinh:

I spose with a big enough hammer anything's possible

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justinh:

look – mungo connect TV to conscooter!

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justinh:

hometime :D

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sphery:

lydgate: I think your -s option is in the wrong format.

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lydgate:

sphery: err, but it works for some programs. what should the format be?

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Saviq:

hi guys, any idea why Myth would stop managing disk space? it has many entries marked for expiration and even watched (though I have watched-before-unwatched disabled) but today Myth filled my disk to the brim, when it should leave 100GB free

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lydgate:

sphery: if you mean the dashes, i went from this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode which seems to accept both with/out

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sphery:

lydgate: not sure, then, but I'll bet if you ran it through mythfrontend, it would work fine--though it is possible that the recording is just broken (or it's not mpeg2).

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lydgate:

sphery: ok. it's done it with maybe 2–3 of the recordings i've tried (of about 20)... I'll look into it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, did you happen to implement QUERY_TIME_ZONE in the bindings update that just went in? The *buntu guys are looking to use it to allow LiveCD's to query and automatically set the time zone--their current stuff is Python, so the bindings will work great for it.

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wagnerrp:

no, i hadnt

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wagnerrp:

didnt see much use for it, but i can throw up a patch quickly

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lydgate:

sphery: here's what i get from mediainfo: http://dpaste.com/106214/

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wagnerrp:

the bindings do not support upnp detection, so they wouldnt run anyway

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lydgate:

is there a way of verifying mpeg2 files?

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wagnerrp:

there would be no database login file, so it would fail out

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wagnerrp:

and theyre not set up to connect to an arbitrary backend either

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wagnerrp:

you give it an IP, and it decides what port it wants to connect on

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sphery:

well, they could always restart after the normal "livecd find backend" stuff runs

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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sphery:

the query_time_zone only needs to contact the mbe, though

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wagnerrp:

right, im saying if they wanted to fake a sql server to connect to

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sphery:

lydgate: I'm not sure what's causing it... It seems to be MPEG-2 in an MPEG container, so it should be fine

[15:51:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, I see

[15:51:26]

sphery:

yeah, I guess if nothing else, they can see how far they can go and we can figure out what else they may need after that :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, might be worth writing some UPNP code for that purpose

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but, is query_time_zone in there?

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wagnerrp:

setting up a configurationless frontend

[15:52:07]

wagnerrp:

not currently

[15:52:15]

wagnerrp:

ill throw up a patch in a couple minutes

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sphery:

that's also a good point--they could do the upnp thing themselves (and you might be able to use it for the next bindings update :)

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sphery:

if I see the time zone one come in, I'll put it in

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sphery:

if not, no big deal--they could always just do a backend command for now and parse it themselves

[15:53:04]

sphery:

not a super difficult one

[15:53:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . time_zone.pl for how the perl bindings do it

[15:54:10]

wagnerrp:

yeah, havent looked at the response, but it probably amounts to "return backendCommand('QUERY_TIME_ZONE').split(BACKEND_SEP)[0]"

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wagnerrp:

timezone id, offset, and current time

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sphery:

yeah, pretty much it :)

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sphery:

though it may return other stuff depending on error conditions

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wagnerrp:

nope

[15:56:06]

wagnerrp:

(looking at the code in mainserver.cpp)

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sphery:

which I didn't really handle in the perl script

[15:56:24]

sphery:

the util.cpp code shows the return values for errors/win32

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some 'QUERY_TIME' call already?

[15:57:17]

sphery:

currently, win32 is basically treated as an error (i.e. no time zone support unless someone else wants to write it)

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wagnerrp:

theres uptime, but i thought you could pull the current time

[15:57:54]

wagnerrp:

i guess thats done through timezone

[15:58:52]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if it would be better to return an 'aware' datetime object

[15:58:56]

sphery:

yeah, it's the only place I know of to pull the backend's time

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lydgate:

sphery: here's what I get: http://dpaste.com/106225/ exact same command on most (but not all) other recordings works

[15:59:06]

sphery:

the only reason for the time is as a sanity check

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wagnerrp:

current time, complete with timezone info

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lydgate:

the ones that fail fail in the same way

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lydgate:

but the ones that succeed sometimes say "Junk in packet" (I think)

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sphery:

may be a signal issue corrupting the streams

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sphery:

or could just be broken streams sent from your broadcaster

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lydgate:

ok

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lydgate:

can i fix the streams somehow?

[16:00:52]

lydgate:

it's odd that it doesn't find any frames though...

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sphery:

lydgate: if you can a) verify it fails if run through the frontend (without any command-line options of yours, etc.), b) reproduce in trunk, then it may be worth filing a bug report

[16:01:07]

lydgate:

ok

[16:01:10]

sphery:

if you're not running trunk, just wait until 0.22 is released very soon and try to reproduce there

[16:01:53]

sphery:

but it's /very/ important that you use mythfrontend to transcode first and see if it fails the same way (if it fails differently, that's not proof of a problem with the transcoder--only proof that there's a problem with the way you invoked it)

[16:02:08]

sphery:

don't use X to start the transcode, instead use INFO|Job Options|Transcode...

[16:02:16]

sphery:

then choose the appropriate transcode profile

[16:04:04]

sphery:

wagnerrp: note, also, that the QUERY_TIME_ZONE is meant to check the time zone /id/ (from the Olsen database, /not/ the EST, BST, ... type stuff--which is only useful for a single point in time)... We need the Olsen identifier so we know the time zone/DST settings throughout all of the past, present, and future times

[16:04:29]

wagnerrp:

right

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wagnerrp:

its the database where you pull '/etc/localtime' from

[16:05:29]

sphery:

so, you're right--it seems it always gives id/offset/iso date... for errors id or whatever may be UNDEF

[16:05:54]

sphery:

been too long since I wrote it--I don't even remember all the details

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lydgate:

sphery: I'm not running trunk. I might try svn tonight, thanks!

[16:09:32]

sphery:

lydgate: I'd recommend waiting a week or 2 for 0.22

[16:09:43]

sphery:

it's a /lot/ easier approach for upgrade

[16:09:50]

sphery:

(and it may actually be less than a week or 2)

[16:10:19]

lydgate:

sphery: hmm, ok. well i'm just running the debian stable package, i assume they're not going to upgrade to .22 anytime soon

[16:10:25]

lydgate:

so i thought maybe i should just compile it

[16:11:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, huge thanks for rewriting the mythcal script to use bindings... hope the author runs with it.

[16:11:51]

sphery:

lydgate: yeah, I have no idea how soon they'll pick it up

[16:12:08]

sphery:

most "mainstream" distros (Ubuntu/Fedora/Gentoo) will pick it up quickly.

[16:12:20]

sphery:

no offense to Debian--just not as commonly used for Myth

[16:12:35]

lydgate:

right, well stable is very slow to get new packages

[16:12:43]

lydgate:

the price you pay for stability

[16:13:38]

** jamesd2 wonders how well mythtv backend deals with slave backends that stay up for a while but may get shutdown for days at a time.. thinking about running one in a virtual host that may not be up 24/7... transcoding shows is a heavy diuty process... **

[16:13:40]

lydgate:

it's just that i run the backend on my main server. if i had another box for it i'd probably run arch linux or just mythbuntu

[16:14:06]

sphery:

jamesd2: when it's up it works, when it's down, it's gone

[16:14:23]

iamlindoro:

in short, "nicely"

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jamesd2:

sphery, and it wont cause issues?

[16:14:25]

sphery:

jamesd2: though in 0.22, the master backend will have the ability to wake up remote backends when needed for recording

[16:14:30]

sphery:

no issues

[16:14:43]

jamesd2:

sphery, sweet may be give it a try...

[16:15:21]

sphery:

myth automatically reschedules when it loses a backend, so if you had 4 available inputs and shut down a remote backend and end up with 2, it knows it won't be able to record as much and fixes the schedule immediately

[16:15:34]

sphery:

jamesd2: note, also, that /backends/ need to have capture devices

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sphery:

so if you're talking about a virtual machine without any capture cards, it's not a backend

[16:16:11]

sphery:

at most, it would be a mythjobqueue server (i.e. run mythjobqueue, not mythbackend)

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jamesd2:

sphery, oh i just want it to be a recording transcoder...

[16:16:37]

sphery:

that's a mythjobqueue server

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sid3windr:

backends need to have capture devices? isnt that only masterbackend?

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sid3windr:

or did that change in 0.22 :]

[16:17:16]

sphery:

sid3windr: nope, people just abused the backend long before 0.22

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jamesd2:

my main box has 2x kworld 115's to captture .. even with dual core opterons 2.2ghz loadavg goes to 3+ while transcoding a snigle show

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sid3windr:

:)

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sphery:

besides, mythjobqueue takes /literally/ one tenth the RAM that mythbackend takes

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sphery:

jamesd2: note, also, there are settings for max number of jobs to run and "how hard" to run them (low/medium/high), which affect load average

[16:19:15]

sphery:

I'd guess yours is set on medium and you're running 2 jobs at once

[16:19:22]

sphery:

(based on the quoted load average)

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sphery:

I use low--which forces sleeps so it uses even less of the CPU--and only one job at a time (but I only have one core)

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evil4ngel:

I have a question about mythbuntu and blu-ray

[16:20:16]

wagnerrp:

cant be done

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sphery:

jamesd2: and for setting up mythjobqueue, set up the host as if it were a remote backend (running mythtv-setup) and then just run mythjobqueue where you would have otherwise ran mythbackend

[16:20:46]

jamesd2:

sphery, well the 3.0 is at a single proccess. the box also runs ktorrent and a small intranet webserver... i have seen it as high as 5–6 but its okay just wanted to spread the work load to my virtual box server that has spare cpus doing nothing

[16:20:57]

wagnerrp:

your only option for blu-ray on linux is decrypting the disk image, ripping out the m2ts file, and playing that directly

[16:21:23]

wagnerrp:

any AACS disks (very few) and some BD+ disks (very few) can be decoded using OSS tools in linux

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evil4ngel:

wagnerrp, thanks

[16:21:36]

wagnerrp:

otherwise youre going to have to run windows and use AnyDVD HD

[16:21:46]

wagnerrp:

theres a writeup for all of this on the mythtv wiki

[16:22:02]

evil4ngel:

god bless the MDCA

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evil4ngel:

wagnerrp, Thanks again

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sid3windr:

yep, long live the ymca!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

It's fun to stay at the ...

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evil4ngel:

M.D.C.A.!!

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sid3windr:

(dmca)

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evil4ngel:

;)

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iamlindoro:

You guys lay off the MDMA

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evil4ngel:

oh, thanks

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wagnerrp:

query_time_zone returns the offset in seconds?

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MTughan:

I'm trying to build the MythTV frontend on Windows using win32-packager.pl, but it seems the download for unzip (ftp://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/tools/zip/info . . . nz552xN.exe) has gone missing. Is there another that can be used?

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KWhat_Work:

Is there a list of linux compatible cases out there? I have found that several media center cases have things like remotes and lcd screens built in and I know quite a few of them are not compatible. Are there any know compatible cases?

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Shadow__X:

MTughan: the win32 builds are not to be thought of as highly stable

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MTughan:

Shadow__X: You mean the built product or the build steps?

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evil4ngel:

KWhat_Work, http://www.filewatcher.com/m/unz552xN.exe.364607.0.0.html

[17:03:35]

MTughan:

evil4ngel: That was for me?

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KWhat_Work:

evil4ngel: what is that

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evil4ngel:

sry KWhat

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wagnerrp:

evil4ngel: not supposed to be directed at you

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KWhat_Work:

np =P

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evil4ngel:

that was for MTughan

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wagnerrp:

answer to a question before you came in

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MTughan:

KWhat_Work: Cases themselves are compatible with any OS/software. You're wondering what accessories are compatible.

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wagnerrp:

MTughan: hes wondering what cases with built in accessories are compatible

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Shadow__X:

MTughan: build product thats not necessarily a finish port and is pretty unstable atleast with my own testing

[17:05:09]

wagnerrp:

an LCD screen is likely going to connect to a VGA/DVI port and be universally compatible

[17:05:15]

wagnerrp:

LED and VFD panels, not so much

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MTughan:

Shadow__X: Hmm... All right, maybe I'll look at something else then. Was just going to try it out at least.

[17:05:33]

KWhat_Work:

MTughan: yes specifically the built in ir receivers and the lcd/led displays

[17:06:13]

MTughan:

Shadow__X: I'd stream the videos over Samba or something similar, but I find that the videos as they are don't play well in VLC. I need to transcode them first.

[17:06:16]

KWhat_Work:

im thinking something like this would be the best but its freaking ugly http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=54

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wagnerrp:

sphery: patch is up at #7308 whenever you get around to it

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Shadow__X:

MTughan: by all means go ahead try it out but i have found mythtv player to be better albeit not a true front end but still it works

[17:06:46]

Shadow__X:

if you want a true front end i would recommend osx or linux

[17:06:54]

wagnerrp:

KWhat_Work: who cares, you just strap it onto the back of your TV or TV cabinet

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MTughan:

My OS X machine is too small, and I don't have a full-time Linux distro that I use with a KB/mouse.

[17:07:32]

wagnerrp:

looks like it even has an optional VESA mount specifically for attaching to a tv/monitor

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wagnerrp:

the idea being you dont see it to notice how ugly it is

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MTughan:

Well, I'll try the frontend anyway. Found the right unzip file on another site, just working on MySQL now.

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tommck:

I am trying to migrate to a new installation. I am moving to new hardware and a new OS. I wanted to start fresh with the MythTV Database to blow out channels, etc, but I wanted to keep my recordings and videos entries in the DB. Can anyone help me figure out how to pull this off, given a schema change?

[17:13:23]

tommck:

maybe I should allow MythTV to upgrade the old DB and then create a new one... migrating the recordings (and related) tables over later?

[17:13:34]

kormoc:

yes, upgrade the old one

[17:14:13]

tommck:

can you rename a DB in mysql? :)

[17:15:01]

tommck:

guess I'll just rerun mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

just go into the channel editor and delete all the channels and/or sources

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tommck:

wagnerrp: that should work OK?

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wagnerrp:

although understand that either of those will break most if not all of your recording schedules

[17:19:12]

wagnerrp:

since those are bound to a specific channel by default

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tommck:

wagnerrp: that's cool.. I can redo those..

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sphery:

tommck: upgrade the old one, then http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

tommck: if you /must/ throw away all your configuration, use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (specifically, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup )

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tommck:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

really, there's no reason to do the partial restore, though

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sphery:

it's no longer recommended

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tmkt:

anyway to clean up the recording dir?

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to blow out the settings table from the UI?

[17:20:45]

tmkt:

for files that aren't matched up with the db

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wagnerrp:

tmkt: mythorphan.pl or something like that

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wagnerrp:

theres an orphan cleanup script in contrib

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wagnerrp:

it works both ways

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sphery:

use at your own risk :)

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wagnerrp:

myth.find_orphans.pl

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wagnerrp:

yeah, pretty much everything in contrib is 'use at your own risk'

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resno:

i have question about somethign that happen to me. i was watching a show, then something scheduled came on, i no longer had a feed for this show and was basically booted off it.

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resno:

i only have one tuner, atm. Is that usual? They were on the same channel also. I thoght myth kept a "buffer' of that channel.

[17:25:01]

wagnerrp:

its an option

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tmkt:

ah..great

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wagnerrp:

the usual solution being 'get multiple tuners'... :P

[17:25:24]

tmkt:

thanks

[17:25:37]

wagnerrp:

were suggesting you... throw money at the problem

[17:25:54]

wagnerrp:

man, that was a great ad

[17:25:55]

resno:

wagnerrp: sounds like a good solution to me. ill throw more money its way..

[17:26:03]

resno:

oh.. your way

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ivangarcia:

hi justinh, I'm back, I managed to get an channel list form my DVB-T, i saved into database

[17:26:18]

wagnerrp:

are you implying im the problem?

[17:26:29]

resno:

uh... maybe.. who knows.

[17:26:32]

ivangarcia:

when running mythtv , I get Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

[17:27:13]

resno:

btw, what do the donations go towards?

[17:27:21]

ivangarcia:

also says... TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started, any help?

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evil4ngel:

resno: one could only hope "Beer"

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wagnerrp:

resno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ-z2uN9Rws

[17:29:16]

wagnerrp:

actually, this version is better.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZmHDEa0Y20

[17:30:22]

tank-man:

resno, you should have seen a popup dialog box, saying if you want to record the scheduled show or continue watching livetv

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wagnerrp:

and as mentioned, i believe theres a setting in the options to automatically choose one option or the other

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resno:

tank-man: the choice was rather i wanted to watch the show or record the new one. the buffer had built up enough that i could have finsihed it. but the new show wiped that all out.

[17:32:42]

resno:

wagnerrp: i figure its a setting i changed without thinking... silly me

[17:32:55]

wagnerrp:

resno: has this been within the past 24 hours?

[17:33:07]

resno:

wagnerrp: yep. last night.

[17:33:16]

wagnerrp:

then it is still on your hard drive

[17:33:19]

wagnerrp:

go into recordings

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wagnerrp:

hit 'm', and change the filter

[17:33:38]

wagnerrp:

normally, livetv recordings are filtered out

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resno:

ah, is that what iwas missing, i checked that folder.

[17:34:16]

resno:

wagnerrp: ill try the 'm' tonight. i wanted to finsih the cleveland show

[17:34:32]

wagnerrp:

they get auto-expired after 24 hours

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jst_home:

unless you set that limit to something else...

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resno:

i see.. ill need to check

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resno:

is scedulesdirect made by myth guys/girls?

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wagnerrp:

sortof

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tommck:

anyone got a good trick for autologin of a frontend on jaunty? The /etc/event.d/tty7 trick doesn't seem to be working for me

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wagnerrp:

a couple of the devs are on its board

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wagnerrp:

but it is unaffiliated with mythtv

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resno:

ah... i see. i started thinking it was something we created.

[17:39:14]

wagnerrp:

and there are a couple dozen programs now authorized to use it

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resno:

i imagine thats the supported method for getting guides, right? seems to be the most solid one.

[17:39:41]

wagnerrp:

absolutely

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sphery:

tommck: session manager, like XDM or GDM?

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tommck:

sphery: guess I could do something like that :)

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resno:

wagnerrp: i found another free version but its alittle on the hacky side and the guide doesnt have as much detail.

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wagnerrp:

you might want to try the ubuntu/ubuntu-mythtv channels to see why its not working

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wagnerrp:

resno: $20/year is almost nothing

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sphery:

especially considering the quality of the data

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wagnerrp:

and it results in pain free listings, with support when needed

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile, xmltv scrapers are often actively blocked, by websites making small changes to their structure

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resno:

wagnerrp: true, i totally agree. i learned some new thigns about croning in the process of setting up the hacky one

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tommck:

so, if I have 2 backends and they record to local drives, do I have to use a combination of NFS and "ln -s" to make sure they all think the files are in the same place?

[17:49:08]

wagnerrp:

no, the backends will stream content to the frontends over mythprotocol

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wagnerrp:

the exception is mythweb

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wagnerrp:

you need direct file access for that

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wagnerrp:

if you intend to use asx or flash streaming

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tommck:

wagnerrp: I only use mythweb to schedule and things like that

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tommck:

wagnerrp: so, how does the DB indicate that it's on one machine or another?

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wagnerrp:

it has a hostname column

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ivangarcia:

1 question, what is the mythtv plugin to see 2 channels at the same time

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wagnerrp:

picture in picture? its not a plugin

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gbee:

ivangarcia: there is no such plugin, it's just a built in feature (hardware/driver dependent)

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ivangarcia:

how can I see if my hardware supports it?

[17:51:58]

wagnerrp:

basically, you have to use Xv

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wagnerrp:

vdpau only supports one stream, i imagine the same is true for xvmc

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wagnerrp:

any modern video card should support multiple video streams with Xv

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mag0o:

(you need 2 capture cards too)

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mag0o:

right?

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wagnerrp:

or one that can support multiple streams at once

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jst_home:

if you want to watch two live tv streams, yes

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wagnerrp:

dual tuner, or digital tuner on one multiplex

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sphery:

tommck: note that you /should/ mount any NFS directories at the /exact/ same absolute path on all systems if you're using NFS

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sphery:

it can cause problems if you don't

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wagnerrp:

tommck: that usually results in people using named subdirectories that their backends record on

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wagnerrp:

then you can mount everything in place without overlap

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ivangarcia:

wagnerrp, i'm using using mythtv over kubuntu, so not directly xv right?

[17:55:17]

wagnerrp:

you should be using Xv

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sphery:

i.e. you can not do things like have /srv/mythtv/recordings/a as a local filesystem on the master backend and ./b as the remote filesystem from a remote backend and have ./a as local on the remote and ./b as the master backend's filesystem on the remote

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ivangarcia:

ok, wagnerrp, my device is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/August_DVB-T201

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sphery:

what's in ./a has to be in ./a on all myth hosts or shouldn't be NFS mounted

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ivangarcia:

if the hardware supports it, what is the option in mythtv to activate it?

[17:56:22]

wagnerrp:

probably in the 'm' menu somewhere, never used it

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wagnerrp:

you will need to have that tuner card set up to use multiple virtual tuners

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wagnerrp:

so you can capture more than one subchannel of a single multiplex

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wagnerrp:

and you will not be able to use PIP with shows on different multiplexes

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tommck:

sphery: cool.. no NFS sounds easier then..

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sphery:

agreed

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tommck:

sphery: now that my DB seems up to snuff... I need to tweak the location of the existing files (since I moved things around a little...) which table are the recordings in?

[17:58:51]

ivangarcia:

wagnerrp, any idea how to setup multiplex for my tuner?

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sphery:

tommck: locations are specified through storage groups

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tommck:

sphery: ahh. ok

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sphery:

don't edit DB directly--use the mythtv-setup interface to fix them

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sphery:

otherwise, you may break the data integrity rules

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wagnerrp:

ivangarcia: you dont setup the multiplex for your tuner

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tommck:

sphery: cool... I'm a developer by trade, so I'm used to messing things up ;)

[18:00:02]

wagnerrp:

the multiplex is something that is broadcast

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wagnerrp:

the tv station will send multiple a/v streams (subchannels) on one multiplex using one frequency

[18:00:35]

sphery:

tommck: well, /all/ DB data integrity checks are in the application, so if you change the db and something doesn't work, read all the code in trunk/mythtv before reporting bugs :)

[18:00:46]

tommck:

sphery: will do :)

[18:00:59]

sphery:

tommck: but basically, the /only/ time you need to fix the data in the DB is if you move a recording from host to host

[18:01:07]

wagnerrp:

its one of the custom settings in mythtv-setup in the card setup (item 2)

[18:01:11]

tommck:

sphery: which is what I'm doing now

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sphery:

(hostname to hostname, actually)

[18:01:20]

sphery:

tommck: did you change host names?

[18:01:28]

tommck:

sphery: yeah :)

[18:01:32]

sphery:

if so, you needed to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend

[18:01:34]

wagnerrp:

maximum simultaneous recordings or something

[18:01:56]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its amazing how often you have to pull that one out

[18:01:56]

sphery:

you should redo your DB stuff--going back to the full pre-upgrade backup, then do the hostname change, then upgrade the DB

[18:02:17]

tommck:

sphery: ahh. ok

[18:02:30]

sphery:

tommck: or change the hostname of your system back and /then/ go back to the pre-upgrade backup and upgrade :)

[18:02:52]

sphery:

tommck: basically, the hostname is used in a /lot/ more places than just recording info

[18:03:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, we need a FAQ: Q: How do I change my MythTV hostname? A: Don't do it. Just... don't.

[18:05:39]

sphery:

tommck: that wasn't to say that changing it is wrong--only that it just makes things a lot harder for you since you have to properly do a hostname change

[18:05:45]

tommck:

it's my wife's fault... she names the machines based on their attributes (duties, how they look, etc.) so this needed a name change :)

[18:05:46]

sphery:

of the DB data

[18:05:52]

sphery:

heh

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jst_home:

tommck: I hear ya :)

[18:07:24]

tommck:

sphery: where is the mythconverg_restore script supposed to live?

[18:08:16]

sphery:

tommck: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[18:08:20]

sphery:

read the top part

[18:08:38]

tommck:

oh.. it would be good if I was using 0.22

[18:08:44]

sphery:

tommck: the top part

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tommck:

oh, but it'll work.. I see

[18:08:51]

sphery:

not the /first/ sentence of the top part

[18:08:57]

** tommck will read it all, then comment :) **

[18:09:02]

sphery:

exactly :)

[18:09:10]

sphery:

so it works with any version of myth

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sphery:

you just have to download it yourself

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tommck:

sphery: ok, this gets more complicated... I have moved the storage off of the master backend, so renaming the hostname doesn't sound like it's going to work for me :)

[18:12:13]

OmniCitadel:

Greetings all, after about 6 hours of work I have gotten the video card working and am able to scan Cable High on QAM-256 however I am not able to scan any channels below 77 and could use some advise

[18:12:28]

OmniCitadel:

errr capture card*

[18:13:27]

iamlindoro:

Because Cable High starts at 77

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iamlindoro:

If you want to scan all the channels, just use Cable

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OmniCitadel:

Tried that... Cable does not even find my locals

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iamlindoro:

Did you let it *finish*?

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

The channel numbers you are used to are *not* their frequency positions

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OmniCitadel:

Ahhh that might be the problem I will give that a try

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iamlindoro:

ie your channel "2" is probably at frequency position 77–2 or whatever

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iamlindoro:

Digital Cable Channel numbers are logical values, not frequency assignments

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** kormoc waits for floating point channel numbers **

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** kormoc changes channel to 3.14159 **

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gbee:

food channel?

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MTughan:

kormoc: Is it a channel that makes pies all day?

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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MTughan:

Dang it gbee, I thought of that one. :P

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OmniCitadel:

Also when I do get a lock it does not show Signal Strength or Noise %'s

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't matter

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iamlindoro:

As Those values are largely bogus anyway

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sphery:

tommck: that just means you have 2 unrelated hostname issues to fix :)

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tommck:

sphery: yeah, I do :)

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tommck:

sphery: I'm starting to get myself confused though

[18:17:30]

sphery:

tommck: If you're renaming a host, you need to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend . If you're moving recordings from host to host, you then have to update the hostname field of the recorded table (and take full responsibility for any issues that result from your editing the DB directly)

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tommck:

sphery: thanks for clarifying

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sphery:

tommck: though if you have NFS mounts such that the original host can read the recording, recordings will work without editing the db

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OmniCitadel:

And I should be skipping encrypted channels correct?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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jst_home:

looks like trac just fell over...

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OmniCitadel:

And can some one please explain what schedulesdirect does and why after joining and still in then 7 day trial period I keep gettting an unautorized when updating the backend database?

[18:21:54]

tommck:

sphery: so, how does this work with the storage groups? are they specific to backends?

[18:21:55]

mersault:

I'm trying out the mythbuntu beta, which uses packages built from mythtv trunk. I'm following the directions in the mythtv user guide for migrating my recordings from my old system, but when I try and import the mysql data, I get "Unknown column 'offset' in 'field list'". Anyone here have a quick way of correcting the schema for the data I pulled out?

[18:21:57]

kormoc:

welcome to http auth

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kormoc:

OmniCitadel: we request the data from SD without the user/password first, hence the unauthorized, then we send the user/pass and it works

[18:22:34]

kormoc:

OmniCitadel: and SD gives you the data on what shows are on when

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OmniCitadel:

sooo its working as designed?

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OmniCitadel:

cause I do see the download go through

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kormoc:

OmniCitadel: if you're getting the data, yes, it's working as designed

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mersault:

OmniCitadel, http auth works that way. The 401 unauth also includes a pad that you then use when encrypting the username/pass you send.

[18:23:54]

kormoc:

(Only for digest auth, not basic which is what we do)

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OmniCitadel:

do I need to do the chan scan for both tuners?

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iamlindoro:

not if they both receive the same programming ia the same method

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iamlindoro:

er via

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sphery:

tommck: storage groups are (properly) defined /only/ on the master backend (and their associated directory lists specified on the master backend), then the same definition is used for all hosts. If (and only if) you happen to have some (broken) configuration where you need a different directory list on a specific host, you can override the directory list by editing the storage group (directory list) on that host using ...

[18:25:59]

sphery:

... mythtv-setup. Generally, though, you shouldn't ever override a storage group's directory list.

[18:26:03]

sphery:

that being said, I'd guess 90+% of users are doing it wrong

[18:26:25]

sphery:

and define the SG on the mbe and override it (often even making it identical) on the remote backends

[18:27:18]

sphery:

which just takes 99% of the benefit of SG's away

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tommck:

sphery – if I define it on the MBE, doesn't the MBE need access to that storage then?

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** tommck feels so clueless today **

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iamlindoro:

Ha, marge simpson to appear in playboy

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iamlindoro:

Guess Playboy doesn't know you can go on the internet any time you want and find that kind of thing... so I'm told ;)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: Heh, they're doing less and less of the nude stuff anyway

[18:30:48]

iamlindoro:

Well that ought to get them more subscribers

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sphery:

tommck: the MBE only needs access to directories with the paths in the directory list

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sphery:

they need not be the "same" directories (with same content) on all hosts--only the same paths

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sphery:

i.e. storage groups are simply a mapping between a logical name and a list of directories

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sphery:

/nothing/ more

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sphery:

storage groups are /not/ directories, nor a list of directories... storage groups are a mapping between a logical name and a list of directories

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tommck:

sphery: I get that...

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tommck:

sphery: but, doesn't that mean that I have to use NFS in order to use SGs correctly?

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sphery:

so, as long as some (or all) of the directories in a directory list exist on the host, you can use that storage group name to specify a location for things

[18:33:33]

sphery:

no

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tommck:

sphery: oh

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tommck:

sphery: say one backend has 2 cards in it.. basically I just want to make sure that it always records to that particular slave.. so, I didn't want the MBE to have access... is this the wrong way to lock that down?

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kormoc:

tommck: Recording A is in SG 1, host A checks SG 1's directories for any that exist on it, and then checks them for recording A, if it finds it, great, else it goes to the next host and does the same...

[18:34:41]

sphery:

I have a single Default storage group specified on the master backend with dirs /srv/storage/mythtv/tv/{a,b,c}/recordings and my master and remote backends have all 3 of those directories each and my frontend has only a, but it works right

[18:35:03]

sphery:

since the directory list is inherited from the master and any missing directories are just ignored

[18:35:21]

sphery:

and all 7 of those directories are distinct/separate filesystems and no NFS anywhere

[18:35:33]

tommck:

ahhh.. it's starting to sink in

[18:35:40]

sphery:

tommck: you can not use Storage Groups to determine which host records

[18:36:21]

tommck:

sphery: OK, so, if I have 2 backends, "batman" and "robin" (fake names), I can add /myth/a/recordings and /myth/b/recordings to the "Default" SG...

[18:36:35]

sphery:

tommck: if you specify a storage group that only exists on a slave (which, btw, is impossible to create except through improper DB editing--the app logic prevents it), and myth attempts to record, if it records on the slave, it will go in the dir list specified for that host

[18:36:45]

OmniCitadel:

Ok now for the dumb question of the day: Is 100gigs enough for mythtv to record to?

[18:36:48]

iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: How long is a piece of string?

[18:36:49]

sphery:

tommck: if it records on the master, it will go into one of the dirs in the Default SG dir list

[18:37:10]

tommck:

sphery: I'm trying to make it so the master barely records anything... basically a traffic cop

[18:37:14]

kormoc:

OmniCitadel: sure, myth will happily record into 100 gigs, or 10 gigs, or even 1 gig, or a trillion trillion trillion

[18:37:20]

iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: which is to say, that's an arbitrary question-- it's enough for Myth to record *some* amount of TV on to, beyond that is up to you

[18:37:29]

sphery:

tommck: you must use your input connections to specify that

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** iamlindoro sets up his eleventy jillion TB RAID **

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sphery:

tommck: do /not/ use input priorities, use the order you define your input connections to specify the order in which you want inputs to be used

[18:37:53]

tommck:

sphery: right. I'm prioritizing the others higher...

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tommck:

oops

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OmniCitadel:

Well is HD recordings the average of 4–8 gigs / hr like it is with windows media center?

[18:38:02]

sphery:

no, not priority!!!

[18:38:05]

tommck:

sphery: why not?

[18:38:09]

sphery:

tommck: I think I mentioned: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[18:38:13]

sphery:

read that

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kormoc:

octillion!

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kormoc:

OmniCitadel: depends on your source

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iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: If you are recording digital, neither Myth nor MCE has any control over the recorded size

[18:39:21]

tommck:

sphery: OK, I guess other posts in the thread will make more sense for this :)

[18:39:22]

iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: That is, the same period of time/same channel/same moment will be the exact same size recorded in Myth or Window Media Center, as teh bitrate is determined at the broadcaster

[18:39:39]

sphery:

tommck: if you use input priorities, you change not "which input" should be used, but "how much I want this showing to be recorded"

[18:39:51]

sphery:

tommck: you can actually miss recordings by using input priorities

[18:40:20]

tommck:

sphery: if I have 3 HD inputs, and I put one of them at a lower priority, does that not mean that I want to use the other 2 first?

[18:40:33]

sphery:

tommck: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/391412#391412

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iamlindoro:

for to die in!

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sphery:

tommck: no, it means that you might prefer to record a different show rather than record some specific show on that input

[18:41:29]

sphery:

i.e. you might miss a recording

[18:41:33]

sphery:

read the post I just linked

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tommck:

sphery: ahh... strange... odd naming then

[18:42:07]

sphery:

basically, input priorities (and channel priorities) are evil

[18:42:16]

sphery:

especially if you haven't read all of Section 12 of the HOWTO

[18:42:35]

sphery:

(and if you read and understand all of Section 12, you'll know that you don't ever want to use input or channel priorities)

[18:43:21]

tommck:

sphery: what if the same show is on 2 cards (one low-def and one high). I prefer it to go on the high-def one, if possible, so I put the priority of the low-def card to -1 and the other to 0. I thought that's how it worked (still reading ...)

[18:44:01]

sphery:

tommck: if you have only one recording rule, that's exactly how it works

[18:44:05]

sphery:

if you have >1, it's not

[18:44:08]

iamlindoro:

You would be much better served just bumping the HD Priority points up

[18:44:12]

sphery:

i.e. you can't oversimplify

[18:44:16]

sphery:

it's /not/ a spherical cow

[18:44:29]

sphery:

(which, funny enough, is the whole basis of my nick)

[18:44:32]

iamlindoro:

That is, the setting that increases priority if a given listing shows as HD

[18:46:07]

sphery:

iamlindoro: right, or if you don't want it to apply to all HDTV, using 2 recording rules for the oen show--one for the HDTV version and one for the not-HDTV version, having different priorities

[18:46:25]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[18:46:33]

iamlindoro:

This is the choir box, the congregation is that way ;)

[18:46:49]

** tommck is so confused now.. **

[18:46:57]

sphery:

tommck: but, really, if you just Delete all video sources, then recreate video sources, then re-connect inputs in the /proper/ order, Myth will just Do The Right Thing (TM)

[18:47:03]

tommck:

I have a master backend with one pcHDTV card that I don't really want to use much..

[18:47:11]

sphery:

so, don't use any priorities, and just do input connections properly

[18:47:23]

tommck:

I have a slave with lots of disk space which I want to use the 2 HDHomeRun connections to record to...

[18:47:46]

tommck:

I only add the HDHomeRun inputs to the Slave backend, right?

[18:47:48]

sphery:

i.e. Delete all video sources, then recreate video sources, then connect the inputs on your slave backend, then connect the input on your master backend

[18:47:48]

sphery:

job done

[18:47:51]

kormoc:

my only want is when I'm recording a show and at the same time there's a hd and a sd version playing, get the HD

[18:48:10]

tommck:

sphery: ah... I get it..

[18:48:11]

sphery:

oh, gotta get new channels, too, after connecting the 1st input

[18:48:16]

tommck:

sphery: ok

[18:48:22]

kormoc:

sadly the priority bump causes other things to record over top of other things, I just want it to prefer the hd version at the same time, not over top of other recordings

[18:48:25]

** kormoc shrugs **

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sphery:

kormoc: /exactly/... priority doesn't affect which input is used so much as whether things actually record!!!

[18:48:51]

sphery:

eureka!

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sphery:

kormoc: though you could probably use a modified version of the "record both SDTV and HDTV versions of a show" rule

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tommck:

I'm amazed at how confused I can get with things that seem like they should be really simple :)

[18:51:12]

kormoc:

sphery: I plan to just reorder my channels so HD are listed first, but I'm not entirely sure if that'll work right

[18:51:49]

kormoc:

(I think I need to change the ID's and then dump and restore sorted by the ID so it'll be right,)

[18:51:53]

sphery:

tommck: unfortunately, Myth is infinitely customizable, and people think that means they should customize it, when 99% of the time, they shouldn't wiggle the widgets

[18:51:53]

gbee:

yeah, it shouldn't be necessary to do that, a simple tick box 'Prefer HD over SD' ... can't be that hard right?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: But we have that, more or less

[18:52:22]

sphery:

kormoc: changing channel id's won't help

[18:52:23]

iamlindoro:

gbee: It's just that the switch has a numerical setting

[18:52:32]

kormoc:

We do?

[18:52:35]

iamlindoro:

The "automatic HD Prioritization"

[18:52:40]

** rwat would have setup distcc on the macbookpro if I'd known how long qt would take to build on a mac mini **

[18:52:42]

iamlindoro:

yep

[18:52:44]

sphery:

yeah, and it /does/ affect what shows record, but it has to

[18:52:55]

iamlindoro:

You can assign preference points for HD material

[18:52:58]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: that actually increases the priority which I don't want

[18:53:17]

gbee:

but we don't, as sphery/kormoc notes, that bumps the priority causing it to record something just because it's in HD and not because you really wanted it

[18:53:17]

sphery:

because HDTV and SDTV versions of the show can (and usually do) appear on different inputs, meaning that the choice of which input to use affects what can and can not be recorded

[18:53:18]

iamlindoro:

I guess I'm not seeing the distiction between a preference and a priority :)

[18:53:28]

sphery:

but it /has/ to :)

[18:53:39]

tommck:

sphery: true, but, in this case, I need to customize it

[18:54:00]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: easy, show a, b, and c have the same priority, there's times it'll record a over b, but if b is on in HD, the bump means b will record

[18:54:20]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: I'd want it to still record A even if b is HD, but if it records b and there's sd and hd, prefer hd

[18:54:34]

tommck:

kormoc: if they're on different cards, it'll record them both, n'est-ce pas?

[18:54:45]

iamlindoro:

Which brings me to my next point: There just ain't enough good TV for this to be an issue ;)

[18:54:47]

kormoc:

tommck: I'm a single tuner guy :)

[18:54:54]

tommck:

kormoc: I'm so sorry to hear that :_)

[18:54:56]

sphery:

kormoc: which may mean that a can not record because it's only shown on the HDTV input and only at the time when b is shown in HDTV

[18:55:15]

** tommck has 6 tuners, just in case **

[18:55:19]

iamlindoro:

buy some more tuners, hippie! ;)

[18:55:21]

gbee:

iamlindoro: you really want to see Program A, so you give it a priority of 5, you like program B but not as much as A so you give it 4, now you've setup a +2 bump for HD programmes – B is shown in HD and as a result A is not recorded

[18:55:23]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: heh, sure there is! I'm getting caught up on sanctuary and breaking bad and and and and...

[18:55:23]

sphery:

so by preferring b in hdtv, you've told it you prefer that over recording a in SDTV or HDTV

[18:55:23]

iamlindoro:

skip the bacon for a week

[18:55:27]

iamlindoro:

and vodka ;)

[18:55:35]

gbee:

which is what kormoc said, it just took me longer :/

[18:55:38]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:55:43]

kormoc:

gbee: you said it better

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iamlindoro:

Fine, *you* guys sneak it by gigem/brice ;)

[18:56:17]

iamlindoro:

bruce

[18:56:20]

tommck:

sphery: ahh... that's why I got totally confused.. I'm not dealing with a situation where I care about taking up a single tuner with a particular recording... I have tuners galore

[18:56:21]

iamlindoro:

markey, not larkin ;)

[18:56:35]

** kormoc eyes his existing scheduler patches and flees in terror **

[18:56:55]

kormoc:

although, I'm debating committing them and see what fallout it brings

[18:57:11]

kormoc:

well, the one at least is primetime ready

[18:57:35]

iamlindoro:

I have nine programs recording today and five new shows from MiroBridge (best contrib script of .22, hands down)

[18:57:50]

iamlindoro:

Still only using two tuners ;)

[18:57:51]

gbee:

I've only one DVB-S tuner so only one chance of recording something in HD, thankfully there aren't many HD channels and most things are in SD, I've two DVB-T (SD) tuners so real life clashes aren't a big problem

[18:58:01]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: I'm still 900 shows behind on law and order :P

[18:58:15]

gbee:

but it will only become a bigger problem as more HD material becomes available

[18:58:22]

sphery:

tommck: that's the best bet--more tuners than you need

[18:58:24]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: You're not missing much, here: It was the Professor, it was the nanny, it was the jealous girlfriend

[18:58:30]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: now you're all caught up, you're welcome

[18:58:34]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:58:36]

sphery:

heh, bryce larkin... :)

[18:59:38]

tommck:

now that I can figure out the tuners part, I have to go back and reboot my brain on the storage groups part :)

[18:59:44]

gbee:

kormoc: I think you are safe from Bruce, he's not been seen in over a year now, gigem is at least less intense than Bruce

[18:59:51]

rwat:

does anyone know what's the story with HD on satellite in the uk – is it just a case of getting a working DVB-S card and plugging in a dish/lnb ?

[19:00:02]

gbee:

rwat: pretty much

[19:00:14]

rwat:

gbee: which tuner card should I look for?

[19:00:42]

gbee:

although you only get BBC HD and ITV HD (which only broadcasts maybe half a dozen programmes a week)

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gbee:

rwat: for DVB-S you can't go wrong with a Hauppauge Nova-S

[19:01:14]

rwat:

gbee: usb?

[19:01:17]

kormoc:

gbee: good to know, I'm still scared from the first/last time I talked to bruce about modifications...

[19:02:03]

gbee:

to future proof, a DVB-S2 such as the Nova-HD would be a wise investment but more expensive, sometime in the near future they will switch to DVB-S2 and then the DVB-S card won't be very useful

[19:02:36]

rwat:

I've not had much luck with nova-t cards

[19:02:50]

gbee:

kormoc: after so long away he's got to expect that things will change and he can't just march back to revert/argue

[19:02:52]

rwat:

I've had a PCI and USB version of the nova-t and both hang

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rwat:

by contrast the cheapo k-world things that always get 1 star on amazon have worked perfectly

[19:03:36]

gbee:

rwat: really? I've 3 and never had problems with either (well Nova-T and Nova-T 500 PCI)

[19:03:55]

tommck:

sphery: so, one last try at this to make sure I understand: I can have MBE with "Default" SG containing "/myth/recordings". Then, both my MBE and SBE can have separate, local "/myth/recordings" directories to host their recordings, and they will just be streamed to the front end when watching them?

[19:04:14]

gbee:

the ratings on things like amazon will normally be from PC users and reflect the provided software instead of the hardware quality

[19:04:28]

rushfan:

Hi Im trying to set up mythweb with htdigest but it won't accept my password.

[19:04:49]

sphery:

tommck: yep, perfect

[19:05:07]

tommck:

sphery: MUCH easier than it sounded earlier :)

[19:05:14]

rushfan:

in lighttpd.conf I set "realm" => mythweb, I then ran the command htdigest -c /var/www/localhost/lighttpd.user.htdigest mythweb rushfan

[19:05:25]

rushfan:

I enter username rushfan and password and it doesnt accept it...

[19:05:35]

gbee:

I can't recommend kworld just because I've never owned on, but I have been bitten by buying the cheapest card I could find so I'll tend to stick with what I know and trust

[19:05:40]

sphery:

tommck: and if you add a new HDD to the slave with a new filesystem, you can add /myth/recordings2 to the SG on the master backend and it will just work

[19:05:53]

tommck:

sphery: I get it.

[19:05:56]

sphery:

tommck: and the master will notice that there's no /myth/recordings2 directory, so it won't use it

[19:06:01]

gbee:

half my cards were bought second hand on Ebay though – often a good deal to be had there if you are very patient

[19:06:10]

sphery:

tommck: only other qualifier is don't put /any/ mount point directory into the SG dir list

[19:06:43]

tommck:

sphery: use an 'ln -s' for it?

[19:06:59]

MTughan:

We have a combined frontend/backend machine here, and I'm wanting to connect another frontend to that machine. Is there a way I can find out the database name and the mythtv username/password from the existing frontend?

[19:07:07]

sphery:

tommck: i.e. if you mount your disk at /srv/storage/mythtv/tv and you put /srv/storage/mythtv/tv into the dir list and for some reason that filesystem is unmounted, then myth will write to the "parent" filesystem (i.e. potentially filling your root filesystem)

[19:07:13]

sphery:

tommck: no, no ln's anywhere

[19:07:17]

sphery:

tommck: they won't work

[19:07:30]

sphery:

tommck: instead, put subdirectories under the mount point into the dir list

[19:07:32]

Wicked:

hello all. anyone know if there are still plans to release 0.22 tomorrow?

[19:07:37]

kormoc:

rushfan: lighty doesn't support htdigest, you have to use their script to do it, http://redmine.lighttpd.net/attachments/844/htdigest.sh.txt

[19:07:54]

sphery:

i.e. /srv/storage/mythtv/tv/a is the mount point, so /srv/storage/mythtv/tv/a/recordings is the dir in the dir list

[19:07:55]

tommck:

sphery: oh, ok

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sphery:

then add a mount point of ./b and a dir to the dir list of ./b/recordings

[19:08:34]

rushfan:

kormoc: thanks

[19:09:06]

rushfan:

kormoc: do you have a link to the article that explains what to do with that script?

[19:09:13]

kormoc:

nope

[19:09:48]

MTughan:

rushfan: Run it once, looks like it'll print out its runtime options.

[19:10:19]

rushfan:

MTughan: ok but I'm more interested in what it does

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MTughan:

"lightdigest: lighttpd htdigest password generation program"

[19:10:44]

MTughan:

That's the best I can give you from the script itself.

[19:10:53]

kormoc:

rushfan: htdigest is apache's htdigest generation app

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rushfan:

MTughan: fair enough

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rwat:

got this error building myth-svn on OSX: http://pastebin.com/m33638436

[19:13:09]

rwat:

any ideas?

[19:13:28]

sphery:

use GNU/Linux?

[19:13:30]

kormoc:

Don't bother building on Snow Leopard, it's quite broken

[19:13:31]

sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Never wear white after labor day

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kormoc:

Oh Apple, how you have betrayed us with your lack of fashion sense

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iamlindoro:

Bastards making my lunch sammich put the tomatoes in the middle of two melted slices of cheese

[19:15:40]

iamlindoro:

douchebags

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rwat:

well everything else has been building fine

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tommck:

sphery: when I try to watch one of my shows, it is trying to stream from a different IP (might be the old machine's IP), but all the records in "recorded" are the correct host name... any idea where else I should look?

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iamlindoro:

rwat: It's not a "YMMV" thing, it's a "doesn't work" thing

[19:17:02]

rwat:

ok, so is there a DMG of a recent "trunk" ?

[19:17:18]

iamlindoro:

not officially produced, but maybe somewhere out there

[19:17:26]

rwat:

maybe even one built on leopard

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kormoc:

People have reported many mixed reports on if leopard builds work on snow leopard

[19:18:03]

sphery:

tommck: did you do the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend ?

[19:18:04]

kormoc:

mostly negative

[19:18:10]

tommck:

sphery: yeah

[19:18:29]

tommck:

sphery: the hostname got changed in there, I can see it in phpmyadmin

[19:18:35]

sphery:

tommck: then run mythtv-setup on the host whose name has the wrong IP and fix it

[19:18:47]

sphery:

General settings

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tommck:

sphery: it was set as 127.0.0.1

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rwat:

bugger, and there was me trusting folks on here ;-)

[19:20:07]

rwat:

oh well maybe it's time to upgrade the front end to ubuntu

[19:20:14]

sphery:

tommck: with multiple hosts you can /not/ have 127.0.0.1 anywhere

[19:20:29]

** kormoc blinks **

[19:20:31]

tommck:

sphery: yeah, I changed it, but that's not the IP it was using anyway

[19:20:32]

sphery:

so this is the "added a new host to a system that was configured so that it could only use a single host" issue

[19:20:33]

kormoc:

We lied?

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tommck:

sphery: this was setup as a slave from the beginning..

[19:21:40]

sphery:

tommck: yeah, if 127.0.0.1 is anywhere in a multi-host environment, it will do all sorts of weird things

[19:22:19]

tommck:

sphery: the mythfrontend.log is filling with "error: file 'myth://192.168.0.204:6543/asdfasdfasfasdfasd...' missing messages

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tommck:

thing is... 192.168.0.204 isn't any machine in my setup

[19:22:32]

MTughan:

rwat: I have a frontend running on SL now, although I haven't been able to get it to connect to the backend yet.

[19:22:37]

MTughan:

Need to mod the MySQL config.

[19:23:04]

rwat:

MTughan: how did you build it?

[19:23:13]

MTughan:

rwat: I didn't. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

[19:23:38]

rwat:

MTughan: you're using 0.21?

[19:23:41]

OmniCitadel:

is it wise to record to a NTFS disk or is that going to cause problems?

[19:23:56]

MTughan:

I didn't check the version before, but yes. 0.21.

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rwat:

MTughan: yeah I've had 0.21 working fine on snow leopard for weeks, however my back end "upgraded" to what ubuntu calls "0.22" which seems to be trunk

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sphery:

tommck: all I can recommend is checking /all/ host IP Address settings in mythtv-setup

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tommck:

sphery: there are only 2 places per server, right?

[19:27:01]

sphery:

the master backend IP address is global, so only really 1 per server

[19:27:45]

sphery:

and those are the /only/ ip addresses in Myth

[19:27:48]

** tommck guesses he restored DBs one too many times without resetting IPs... *forehead smack* **

[19:28:01]

sphery:

Master Backend IP Address and Backend IP Address

[19:28:17]

MTughan:

rwat: I can't confirm, but it looks like -Wno-long-double is only in GCC 4.3 and later from a quick Google search. SL uses 4.2.x.

[19:28:41]

sphery:

tommck: you can always go back to the original backup, do a hostname change, then upgrade the db, then do a full backup, then do a partial restore

[19:28:54]

sphery:

all in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[19:29:03]

rwat:

MTughan: I'm going to try removing it from CXXFLAGS

[19:29:17]

sphery:

to, throws away all settings keeping only recording rules, recording history, and existing recordings

[19:29:21]

sphery:

tommck: ^^

[19:29:41]

sphery:

upgrade the DB by running and exiting mythtv-setup

[19:29:51]

kormoc:

rwat: it fails later in the compile, there's a fairly large thread on -dev about it, and it turned into a lot of work

[19:30:01]

kormoc:

but hey, feel free to waste your time doing things over again

[19:30:01]

tommck:

sphery: ugh... even though the records in "recorded" say one machine's name, it's trying to stream from the other... ?

[19:30:02]

rwat:

ok time to give up

[19:30:20]

rwat:

kormoc: I'll onlybash my head against the wall for so long

[19:30:27]

tommck:

sphery: by the way, thank you for being so damned tolerant

[19:30:36]

iamlindoro:

It's a failing of his

[19:30:48]

iamlindoro:

I always try to convince him to be more of an a-hole, but nooooo

[19:30:57]

tommck:

I know from experience that he has gone WAY above the norm here :)

[19:31:01]

iamlindoro:

Always with the "let me help you with this" and the "allow me the patiently explain that"

[19:31:36]

rwat:

so now I have 2 options (1) build a mythtv backend on ubuntu using 0.21 sources (2) install ubuntu on the mac mini

[19:31:43]

rwat:

any votes from the floor?

[19:31:57]

kormoc:

which generation mac mini?

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rwat:

kormoc: the one with the core2duo and intel graphics

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iamlindoro:

so last gen

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iamlindoro:

The Mac Mini will work, it's just that current gen is *much* better at being a frontend

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iamlindoro:

As to using .21 sources... you could just wait 48 hours and use .22 when it's out :)

[19:34:30]

rwat:

yeah I've heard that the new ones are good

[19:34:54]

MTughan:

Can I get the version of a backend from SSH or SQL?

[19:35:10]

iamlindoro:

MTughan: mythbackend --version via SSH, sure

[19:35:29]

MTughan:

Ah, nice. Thanks.

[19:35:34]

iamlindoro:

np

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rwat:

iamlindoro: the reason to use 0.21 sources is that I can't seem to build 0.22 on the mac

[19:35:57]

rwat:

I've got 3 macs here all running snow leopard :/

[19:36:04]

iamlindoro:

rwat: Right, just expressing that if you are going to put ubuntu on, might as well do it with .22

[19:36:10]

iamlindoro:

(in a day or two)

[19:36:14]

MTughan:

Let me give it a try.

[19:36:38]

rwat:

iamlindoro: oh I see – I think ubuntu it all set to upgrade to that when it comes out anyway, it's calling its current packges 0.22

[19:36:54]

rwat:

(in karmic)

[19:37:13]

iamlindoro:

right, because even karmic isn't released

[19:37:24]

iamlindoro:

So those packages aren't current, they're pre-release

[19:37:43]

MTughan:

Well, if I can get the SVN address...

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iamlindoro:

And since karmic will ship with .22 (due in 48 hours or less) they had to put trunk in to make the cutoff

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rwat:

iamlindoro: I think I'm going to make my front end match the back end and use karmic, otherwise it's only going to get out of sync in 6 months time

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MTughan:

Is svn.mythtv.org down now?

[19:39:50]

iamlindoro:

MTughan: Likely

[19:40:03]

iamlindoro:

Trac seems to crash a dozen times a day lately

[19:40:17]

MTughan:

And Trac brings down the SVN servers?

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squidly:

iamlindoro: trac is a poj imho

[19:40:39]

iamlindoro:

Piece of Jellyfish? ;)

[19:40:44]

squidly:

but it's better then most other things out there

[19:40:46]

squidly:

:)

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iamlindoro:

MTughan: It's all the same server-- Apache/trac/the whole shebang likes to hang lately

[19:41:12]

iamlindoro:

though usually access via the SVN client still works fine

[19:41:27]

squidly:

iamlindoro: sometimes it does not

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iamlindoro:

ergo usually ;)

[19:42:07]

tommck:

ok, my frontend/slave backend is trying to stream shows from itself and failing

[19:42:49]

tommck:

anyone know why it would try to stream when it's a local recording?

[19:43:02]

MTughan:

Hmm... "Server sent unexpected return value (502 Bad Gateway) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk'"

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iamlindoro:

MTughan: Give it a few mintues, we're mid services restart

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MTughan:

Either that's a problem with the remote server, or it is actually a bad gateway on this side. I've noticed this one here to be quite unlikeable.

[19:44:13]

iamlindoro:

It's not you, like I said, we're in the midst of the restart of services following a trac hang

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MTughan:

Okay.

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iamlindoro:

should probably all be back now

[19:45:26]

MTughan:

Apache's up.

[19:45:42]

MTughan:

I have a feeling that the gateway still being stupid though...

[19:46:22]

MTughan:

Whee, there we go.

[19:46:33]

OmniCitadel:

What is the recommended File System for tv recordings?

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iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: Anything well supported in linux is file-- XFS, JFS, or even EXT3 is fine

[19:47:08]

iamlindoro:

er is fine

[19:47:23]

iamlindoro:

ext3 should be used with the "slow deletes" option in myth, though

[19:47:29]

iamlindoro:

personally, XFS

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squidly:

OmniCitadel: I would recomend XFS

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squidly:

depending on the size of your disk and speed of the disks.

[19:49:46]

OmniCitadel:

its a 1.5tb 7200 rpm

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squidly:

go xfs

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OmniCitadel:

I am creating a partition that is 200gb for TV recordings, the rest is for cd dvd rips

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_ben:

another vote for xfs

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OmniCitadel:

xfs for both partitions?

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squidly:

my Array is 2tb 7200 (3 spindals) I was doing ext3 for a little while.. ugg NOT a good diea

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squidly:

yes

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rwat:

anyone used ext4 yet?

[19:52:45]

_ben:

using it for my OS partition

[19:52:54]

rwat:

(I used to be an xfs advocate, but I've had no problems with ext3 in recent times)

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squidly:

I wont touch it for a while

[19:53:09]

iamlindoro:

Have heard some bad reports over the last few months, and nothing so appealing about it to choose it over established FSs, personally

[19:53:30]

_ben:

not had any problems tbh – but then it's not the end of the world if it gets trashed

[19:54:07]

_ben:

and i wish i didn't apt-get upgrade just before wanting to watch a film :/

[19:56:30]

gbee:

xfs still seems advisable for large files, I personally lean towards ext3 for root/home, but xfs is what all my media drives are using

[19:56:43]

squidly:

gbee: that is what I'm doing

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squidly:

works very well for me

[19:57:05]

gbee:

ext4 is just too new for me to trust it yet, I'll let others loose their files :)

[19:57:57]

OmniCitadel:

lol my wife wants to buy windows 7 because its bleeding edge... I keep trying to explain that she will get cut

[19:58:11]

OmniCitadel:

she is a science nerd...

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squidly:

OmniCitadel: that is not bleeding edge.. that is amputation edge!

[19:58:51]

AndyCap:

meh, I still have all my extremites after running Win 7 test.

[19:59:10]

AndyCap:

of course, MS won't give me a free license for the release, so that was the end of that. :)

[19:59:44]

OmniCitadel:

there are tons of build 7100+ cracks out there that remove the kill bits from the rtm releases

[20:00:20]

iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: That's not the kind of talk that's kosher here

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squidly:

!slap OmniCitadel

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iamlindoro:

!trout OmniCitadel

[20:00:59]

** MythLogBot slaps OmniCitadel with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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_ben:

mmm

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iamlindoro:

like so ;)

[20:01:09]

_ben:

still not getting great dvd playback :/

[20:01:26]

squidly:

iamlindoro: than ksyou

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squidly:

!trout OmniCitadel

[20:01:30]

** MythLogBot slaps OmniCitadel with a trout on behalf of squidly... **

[20:01:32]

iamlindoro:

Here to help! :)

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OmniCitadel:

lol

[20:02:46]

OmniCitadel:

for the first time ever gparted hates me

[20:02:58]

iamlindoro:

It's always hated you

[20:03:03]

iamlindoro:

it's just been waiting for the right moment

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OmniCitadel:

I am still pondering how I am going to get linux to take advantage of a 2.5ghz quad...

[20:05:10]

tommck:

so, my slave backend is also a frontend... I'm trying to watch something on there, and it can't find the file. based on the mythfrontend.log, it's trying to stream the file (which exists) with the myth protocol, but it can't find it.. any suggestions?

[20:05:16]

OmniCitadel:

I think myth with a few vm machines running will do well

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tommck:

shouldn't a frontend/backend realize that a recording is local and just open the file and not try to stream it?

[20:14:03]

iamlindoro:

yes, assuming you didn't have hostname or IP setting issues

[20:14:04]

sphery:

tommck: it does

[20:14:13]

sphery:

but... what he said

[20:14:13]

iamlindoro:

but what your seeing indicates you probably do

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tommck:

hmm... maybe I've got issues... the 'recorded' DB record has the right host name...

[20:14:39]

tommck:

it's in the directory in the "Default" storage group (defined on MBE)

[20:14:41]

iamlindoro:

one down, many dozen to go ;)

[20:14:46]

sphery:

myth still always asks the backend to find the recording, anyway

[20:14:50]

tommck:

it's readable by mythtv user (and world)

[20:15:03]

tommck:

and it tries to stream from its own IP instead of reading it locally

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sphery:

there's also an always stream setting

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sphery:

you shouldn't have that enabled

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tommck:

even if I did, it should work, shouldn't it?

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sphery:

"Always stream recordings from the backend" in frontend settings under Playback Settings

[20:16:22]

sphery:

yes, it would work--unless you have hostname/ip address issues :)

[20:16:32]

tommck:

not set

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mag0o:

what does "NVR(/dev/video1) Error: DQBUF ioctl failed" indicate?

[20:17:15]

tommck:

well, this machine, which has the recording on it is attempting to read myth://192.168.0.206:6543/<fileName> ... (that is its own IP address)

[20:18:32]

tommck:

I have no other frontends configured, or I'd try that

[20:18:37]

abqjp:

What shows are available via Miro that I might care about?

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** tommck is starting to wonder if he's retarded **

[20:21:09]

iamlindoro:

You're not retarded, you just keep explaining the same thing

[20:21:16]

iamlindoro:

and we keep explaining the thing that is likely wrong :)

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iamlindoro:

which isn't changing :)

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tommck:

iamlindoro: I've checked everything that I know to check

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: slow to learn... isnt that the definition of retarded?

[20:21:55]

iamlindoro:

All that tells you is that it's somewhere you don't knwo to check :)

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kormoc:

in the freezer!

[20:22:48]

** wagnerrp hands kormoc the 'Random Outburst of the Day' award **

[20:22:49]

iamlindoro:

under the sofa cushions

[20:23:09]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: You have no idea how many times I've found my keys in there

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iamlindoro:

between the chilling vodka and this month's bacon of the month?

[20:23:37]

** kormoc laughs **

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OmniCitadel:

Ok so i have created 2 xfs partitions one for tv recordings, and another for cd/dvd rips how can I tell mythtv what to use and when?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: its only this week's, hes subscribed four times

[20:24:15]

OmniCitadel:

I have already gotten them fstabbed and tested

[20:24:23]

iamlindoro:

OmniCitadel: By reading the manual and following it :)

[20:24:37]

iamlindoro:

(you've got to meet us halfway, nobody likes to be your personal walkthrough)

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_ben:

check mythtv-setup in the manual

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wagnerrp:

recordings will be mythtv-setup

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OmniCitadel:

I have found the storage directory but there is no option for dvd / cd ripping

[20:25:11]

fabio_27:

hi, my dvb-c cable network provider sends all epg information on one specific channel. But how do I activate the EIT scanner? Is it enough to just turn on livetv and tune to that specific channel? the useonairguide for that channel is set.

[20:25:13]

wagnerrp:

the other two will be in their respective plugin settings in the frontend

[20:25:23]

OmniCitadel:

ahhh thats what I needed

[20:25:25]

OmniCitadel:

thanks

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dustybin:

i wish i booked tomorrow off work :(

[20:30:07]

wagnerrp:

cant use ssh?

[20:30:26]

dustybin:

aye i can, but its difficult

[20:30:35]

iamlindoro:

They don't have SSH at WalMart

[20:30:49]

wagnerrp:

they have walmart in england?

[20:30:52]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: we dont have walmart here, its called asda

[20:31:03]

iamlindoro:

He can use "SSH", but he prefers "won't you please be quiet"

[20:31:12]

iamlindoro:

or "shut your pie hole"

[20:31:14]

kormoc:

but walmart has tanks!

[20:31:32]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: tanks? something new on people of walmart?

[20:31:37]

jduggan:

its asda:walmart

[20:31:38]

iamlindoro:

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

[20:31:42]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: i saw a picture of you and your cute doggie

[20:32:17]

iamlindoro:

Oh great, yet another thing for your shrine

[20:32:22]

dustybin:

:D

[20:32:48]

dustybin:

you look pretty normal, not what i expected

[20:32:54]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's from The Mountie Song by the Arrogant Worms

[20:33:07]

kormoc:

"Listen here you yankee punks, I've got a gun here and I'm not afraid to use it!" "He's gonna skirt us" "He's got ONE gun" "Well, how many guns you got?" "I got ten" "I got fourteen" "That makes twenty... one" "But where do you keep that many guns?" "In our tank" "You have a tank?!" "We didn't walk here" "Wh- where would you get a tank??" "Wal-Mart" "Oh"

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** iamlindoro thinks to ask what dustybin expected, thinks better of it **

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wagnerrp:

spandex and a cape

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iamlindoro:

damn right

[20:35:08]

wagnerrp:

underwear on the outside

[20:35:32]

wagnerrp:

maybe some strange flying vehicle

[20:35:33]

kormoc:

Quailman!

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jfry:

simple question... I am upgrading to the new beta and plan to do a full reformat... is there a way to update my database schema before backing it up. I want to clean out all the crud and only restore my current and previous recordings tables

[20:36:17]

MilkBoy:

uhm... making a preview image of a recording that is shorter than the preview offset time fails. mythtv loops a few times, but instead of going back to earlier frames, it adds 50 frames and tries again (which of course also will fail). http://pastebin.com/m36add2d5

[20:36:27]

wagnerrp:

jfry: dont

[20:36:43]

wagnerrp:

wait until tomorrow, and upgrade to the new release

[20:37:00]

sphery:

yet another reason to rip out the stupid preview pixmap offset setting

[20:37:12]

sphery:

because it doesn't do anything but cause problems and make people feel good

[20:37:13]

jfry:

wagnerrp, new release of mythtv, or mythbuntu?

[20:37:18]

wagnerrp:

mythtv

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dustybin:

is there a such thing as the mythtv package team? are they busy right now preparing the release for tomorrow?

[20:37:33]

wagnerrp:

mythbuntu wont be out until the end of the month

[20:37:47]

kormoc:

MilkBoy: svn ticket would be best

[20:37:53]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: it gets branched, and the branch zipped up

[20:38:01]

dustybin:

ok

[20:38:03]

jfry:

wagnerrp, a realease... how exciting! didn't even know there was one scheduled. I knew the mythbuntu release was at the end of the month though.

[20:38:15]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: the mythtv website will need to be updated as well?

[20:38:16]

MilkBoy:

kormoc: mmkay =)

[20:38:18]

dustybin:

along with wiki etc?

[20:39:07]

iamlindoro:

No, we're going to see how long we can convince the world that .21 is still current

[20:39:13]

iamlindoro:

it'll be fun

[20:39:27]

dustybin:

for a end user like myself, should one wait for a month or so before digging into .22 ?

[20:39:42]

dustybin:

just like anything else what is new

[20:39:49]

wagnerrp:

its actually going to be 0.21-moarfixed

[20:40:02]

dustybin:

0.22-moarfixed

[20:40:26]

wagnerrp:

well you would need a 0.22-fixes before you can have one that is moar

[20:41:10]

dustybin:

i will have to say a sad goodbye to the mepo theme

[20:41:31]

wagnerrp:

i believe jya has been working on updating it

[20:41:48]

dustybin:

i think there will be better ones to choose from now

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sphery:

if only we could get people to make new, *better* themes

[20:42:05]

Seeker`:

are there amny people working on new themes?

[20:42:11]

jfry:

wagnerrp, lets just say I really really want to run the mythbuntu beta... is there a script I can run to upgrade my schema before I backup my data for the reformat&upgrade?

[20:42:12]

dustybin:

G.A.N.T ftw

[20:42:17]

sphery:

rather than going with 3 years of tradition--unhampered by progress

[20:42:25]

iamlindoro:

Seeker`: There are probably more themers right now than there have ever been

[20:42:33]

dustybin:

sphery: theme building is on my list to do

[20:42:36]

sphery:

yes, now is a good time to be a themer

[20:42:38]

dustybin:

and so is a .22 howto

[20:42:40]

wagnerrp:

there are currently two new themes in the repository

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Seeker`:

iamlindoro: but are they making good themes?

[20:42:51]

wagnerrp:

with two more themes that have been released in some form or another

[20:42:52]

iamlindoro:

Hell, we have documentation, a mailing list, an IRC channel, and everything

[20:42:57]

iamlindoro:

Seeker`: I think so

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sphery:

I agree

[20:43:08]

wagnerrp:

and a bunch of othe rpeople who have been talking about writing themes

[20:43:09]

sphery:

what we have now makes the old stuff look, er, old

[20:43:26]

iamlindoro:

*cough* http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/

[20:43:27]

wagnerrp:

oh, and the mythbuntu theme

[20:43:35]

wagnerrp:

that makes five

[20:43:37]

sphery:

but the big problem is that no 4:3 users have stepped up to do a new theme (at least not last I knew)

[20:43:43]

KWhat_Work:

any recomendations on a tuner card that can get digital channels

[20:43:47]

Seeker`:

terra is good; shame about the colour, and the fact currently selected buttons are a pain to see

[20:43:53]

sphery:

so 4:3 users get old garbage

[20:44:21]

sphery:

garbage being 10 different theme names that are all really the same theme (the default fallback theme)

[20:44:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: arguably, 4:3 users dont have the available screen resolution to use more than the old garbage

[20:44:35]

iamlindoro:

or the upcoming "childish" theme :)

[20:44:38]

iamlindoro:

That's 4:3

[20:44:54]

sphery:

wagnerrp: new theme doesn't need to mean more content

[20:45:04]

sphery:

it just means designed for the new theme engine

[20:45:16]

gbee:

can mean less content that even the old ui

[20:45:20]

sphery:

exactly

[20:45:29]

wagnerrp:

i suppose

[20:45:32]

sphery:

the custom recording screen in ArcLight being a shining example

[20:46:13]

gbee:

which I like because I half want to see people creating themes for _small_ screens, portable media players, netbooks et al

[20:46:16]

iamlindoro:

Don't think I have that pic in the screenshot dir

[20:46:22]

gbee:

especially with touchscreen support

[20:46:33]

sphery:

may have been one of the other recording editor screens...

[20:46:49]

sphery:

don't remember the specifics, but it was tiny in comparison to the old default stuff

[20:46:52]

gbee:

manual schedule?

[20:46:53]

wagnerrp:

gbee: with a detached frontend?

[20:47:15]

gbee:

wagnerrp: yeah, well when we support that

[20:47:17]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/customedit.png

[20:47:34]

sphery:

yeah, that's a great example

[20:47:56]

sphery:

pops up on top of the other screen (Watch Recordings, it seems) in a tiny popup compared to the wholw screen size

[20:48:42]

sphery:

and, it actually explains how it works (which the old default theme doesn't/old UI never did)

[20:48:45]

gbee:

and 50% of it is just optional help text

[20:48:49]

sphery:

yep

[20:48:57]

sphery:

beautiful optional help text!

[20:49:22]

sphery:

though shouldn't that Rule SQL be a multiline text edit?

[20:49:22]

iamlindoro:

Heh

[20:49:24]

sphery:

;)

[20:49:37]

sphery:

I never got around to doing that...

[20:49:50]

iamlindoro:

Well I *do* have a multiline text edit defined, now we just need multiline text edits ;)

[20:49:51]

gbee:

ssh!

[20:50:08]

sphery:

you mean ssh !$

[20:50:13]

iamlindoro:

See left side of: http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/edit.png

[20:50:28]

sphery:

hock full of action

[20:50:40]

kormoc:

ham hock?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: why dont you buy a dedicated domain name for themes instead of branching them off fecitfacta ?

[20:50:42]

gbee:

I'm hoping everyone forgot about that, because I don't want to work on it

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sphery:

kormoc is fast with the bacon-related pork association

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Because I invest enough time in Myth without having to invest money in it too

[20:51:15]

iamlindoro:

but feel free to bankroll it

[20:51:23]

kormoc:

sphery: it's deep in the psyche

[20:51:29]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: a domain name will hardly break the bank..

[20:51:35]

jduggan:

damn jolies lips are hot

[20:51:35]

gbee:

yeah, looking at the left hand side there, I'm thinking we've overdone it

[20:51:37]

jduggan:

:|

[20:51:55]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Plus hosting, plus bandwidth? Good, glad it won't break the bank, let me know when it's set up

[20:51:58]

KWhat_Work:

anyoen tired the http://pchdtv.com cards?

[20:52:03]

dustybin:

:P

[20:52:15]

kormoc:

jduggan: reminds me too much of Steven Tyler's

[20:52:23]

sphery:

kormoc: I have 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's, but I wouldn't really recommend them, anymore

[20:52:26]

gbee:

someone should write support for splitting that over two pages – ala Schedule Editor

[20:52:28]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: ^^^

[20:52:49]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: they tend to be expensive compared to other equally-useful (or more useful, even) capture cards

[20:53:12]

sphery:

gbee: that would be nice--especially with the "important" stuff first, and "other" later

[20:53:22]

iamlindoro:

gbee: With support hopefully meaning optional

[20:53:24]

KWhat_Work:

sphery: you got a recomendation for something that will do hd

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KWhat_Work:

preferably with a mpeg2 encoder in the hardware

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_ben:

so like, i'm going into the set up options and i can't navigate between options and change values?

[20:53:54]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: then you can't use pcHDTV cards--no MPEG-2 encoder in them

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sphery:

KWhat_Work: though the /digital/ capture captures already-encoded MPEG-2 as broadcast

[20:54:37]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: meaning for digital capture, you never get an MPEG-2 encoder, but you always get MPEG-2 (for US, that is :)

[20:54:41]

KWhat_Work:

yah mpeg2 would be nice not necessary

[20:54:52]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: if you do want MPEG-2 for analog, you should get the Hauppauge HVR-1600

[20:55:09]

Josh_Borke:

<3 my hvr-1600, except when it doesn't work

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dustybin:

[20:55:10]

dustybin:

iamlindoro.org is available! Just $9.99*

[20:55:10]

dustybin:

Select the domain names below that you would like to register:

[20:55:11]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Was rather hoping that the "group" widget would bring with it an option for scrollers

[20:55:12]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: or you could get a few Hauppauge HVR-1250's for digital and one HVR-1600 for that one odd MPEG-2 encoder

[20:55:57]

KWhat_Work:

sphery: so support for the Hauppauge is still the best

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: PS, what in the world would you look at her LIPS for in that picture?

[20:56:24]

KWhat_Work:

i really dont have the time todo some serious kernel hacking

[20:56:49]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: for MPEG-2 encoder, it's the way to go

[20:57:09]

KWhat_Work:

what about w/o mpeg2

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sphery:

KWhat_Work: for digital capture, basically any card supported by linuxtv.org will work

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gbee:

iamlindoro: it probably will, but I'm looking at the amount of fields/widgets in that particular screen and thinking that it's just too much, we should consider the smaller screens even while we adding support for scrolling

[20:57:56]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: so, there's the Avermedia A180 (cheap, PCI), the Hauppauge HVR-1250 (cheap, PCIe), the ... [ http://linuxtv.org/wiki ]

[20:57:58]

gbee:

personally I prefer paged behaviour over scrolling

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Would be nice to make the paging optional, though, ie $WindowName_%s

[20:58:45]

iamlindoro:

with any non-single page window having an option "next" button widget

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gbee:

well paging/sub-screens

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iamlindoro:

s/option/optional/

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KWhat_Work:

sphery: that 1600 remote work?

[20:59:25]

sphery:

I really like, as a solution to #7312 , just removing the Preview Pixmap Offset setting. :)

[20:59:58]

sphery:

don't know for sure--I don't use that card or that remote--but I /think/ so

[21:00:29]

sphery:

only reason I don't use the card is a) I go my cards before that one existed and b) I don't have analog sources

[21:01:09]

janneg:

sphery: I think removing it would be fine if we add an 'preview bookmark'

[21:01:40]

gbee:

sphery: replace it with a 'smart' (very simple) calculation working from the actual starttime

[21:02:18]

KWhat_Work:

sphery: if i dont mpeg2 encoder im going to burn lots of cpu todo things like rewind and ff right

[21:03:36]

sphery:

janneg: there's already "Generate preview image from a bookmark if possible" (enabled by default) and we /always/ take into account preroll and start early when doing the preview

[21:04:14]

gbee:

we do? so just hardcode it to 3–5 minutes and call it a day then

[21:04:24]

MTughan:

SVN down again. "Server sent unexpected return value (503 Service Unavailable) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://svn.mythbox.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins'"

[21:04:44]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: lacking an mpeg-2 encoder means that any /analog/ recording you do will burn CPU. If you don't do analog, you won't be affected by any hardware MPEG-2 encoder at all (having it or not having it).

[21:05:00]

iamlindoro:

Yay, let's rip out another setting!

[21:05:04]

iamlindoro:

(not facetious)

[21:05:12]

iamlindoro:

Can we do it in time for the release? :)

[21:05:21]

sphery:

gbee: yep... But when that was proposed, people complained that "Just because 3 minutes works for you, it won't necessarily work for everyone--maybe we do commercials differently in my country."

[21:05:39]

iamlindoro:

People need to get used to the idea of many of these settings going away

[21:05:44]

gbee:

apparently not ... had an 'argument' with Daniel over when old 'features' can be removed in the cycle

[21:05:53]

iamlindoro:

bah

[21:05:54]

janneg:

sphery: yes, but you might want to use bookmarks for continueing playback later without changing the preview

[21:06:21]

sphery:

well, if we need that, we need the multiple bookmark functionality

[21:06:45]

gbee:

seems messy

[21:07:02]

kormoc:

What do other media players do?

[21:07:05]

sphery:

but as it is there's either a /global/ setting used for all recordings or a per-recording bookmark

[21:07:06]

kormoc:

do they even give the choice?

[21:07:21]

sphery:

so there's no possible way that users can set a bookmark now and have a specific preview image

[21:07:27]

jfry:

KWhat_Work, the question is, what are you planning to capture. If your in the US and using an antenna you need an ATSC Digital tuner (no encoder necessary). If you use standard cable television you need an analog tuner with MPEG2 encoder.

[21:07:33]

sphery:

other than having that preview image be the bookmark frame

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gbee:

kormoc: of course they don't, people seem to think MythTV should but then they complain that it's too difficult to setup (and they are right) – you can't win

[21:08:06]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: also, an MPEG-2 encoder is /not/ and MPEG-2 /de/coder

[21:08:25]

sphery:

KWhat_Work: decoding high-resolution/high-bitrate MPEG-2 will burn CPU

[21:08:34]

gbee:

IMHO it's not a mistake to imagine how Apple/MS would handle these things, they'd never dream of offering the option

[21:08:36]

sphery:

though any real CPU can handle it

[21:08:41]

sphery:

(not necessarily Atom, though)

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iamlindoro:

you said *real* CPU ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, *real* cpu's are made from several quintillion atoms

[21:09:29]

iamlindoro:

yar

[21:09:36]

sphery:

I really need to figure out a proper order of magnitude for that joke

[21:09:42]

sphery:

I keep changing it

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jfry:

mols

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sphery:

guess it depends significantly on whether you consider the CPU to be the whole chip package or just the die(s)

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iamlindoro:

Depends much more significantly on whether you're anal enough to care ;)

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sphery:

lol... if a joke isn't accurate, is it truly funny?

[21:10:47]

kormoc:

gbee: I really think we're attempting too hard for the 100% when 80% is better

[21:10:49]

mag0o:

yo momma jokes are

[21:11:06]

sphery:

I want people to laugh at my joke, not at my lack of knowledge of how many atoms are in a typical CPU

[21:11:21]

** kormoc gets out the electron microscope **

[21:11:22]

sphery:

kormoc: I agree... It's a useless setting--it's really a placebo.

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: gbee: I think either is fine, but whichever it is, we need to *all* be on the same page about it

[21:11:53]

iamlindoro:

we're either in it to offer every possible setting, or to offer a sensible user experience, but it can't be both

[21:11:58]

iamlindoro:

Personally I prefer the latter

[21:11:59]

kormoc:

Looks like iTunes does exactly 60 seconds in or at the last played position

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sphery:

any value picked by a user is going to be approximately as bad as any default value--since the same value is used for /every/ single recording that user has

[21:12:51]

sphery:

so, they notice, "Oh, there's a commerical in this preview... Let me add 30s to my offset. OK, fixed that one and broke 12 others..."

[21:13:48]

iamlindoro:

agreed

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kormoc:

Does anyone use the preview images for anything other then 'Did it record correctly'?

[21:14:03]

sphery:

kormoc: which would be a 60s default (though we'd actually handle start early/preroll) and "Generate preview image from a bookmark if possible". Works for me :)

[21:14:26]

sphery:

for me, it's "did it record correctly" and "look at all the pretty pictures on the page"

[21:14:42]

gbee:

kormoc: just the 'pretty' factor, nothing more

[21:14:44]

sphery:

I really don't look at the /content/ of the pictures, but like to see that they're there

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KWhat_Work:

does the HVR-1600 remote work on linux ?

[21:15:20]

messerting:

preview images makes it easier to quickly see if I have started to watch that show before

[21:15:22]

kormoc:

I only turn them on after noticing some failed recordings, so then I can bounce though delete+rerecord and then off they go again

[21:15:26]

gbee:

maybe it helps with recognition when I've turned my brain off and I'm not really reading the titles

[21:15:33]

kormoc:

messerting: really? from a single frame?

[21:15:34]

jams:

kormoc- you talking about mythweb preview images or mythfrontend?

[21:15:42]

jfry:

I think the preview is a waste of space... inevitably it's a picture of some commercial anyway. Sometimes I do see something funny in one though, I may miss that.

[21:15:50]

gbee:

kormoc: can't turn them off in the frontend anymore :)

[21:15:58]

kormoc:

jams: mythweb, in the frontend, I do the live playback normally

[21:16:04]

kormoc:

yeah, true

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sphery:

I actually find the choice of some funny--like one with Neil deGrasse Tyson's head on a woman's body (was a fancy transition in Nova ScienceNOW that was just a humorous point to pick for the preview)

[21:16:08]

messerting:

I just came in – I'm talking about the recordings menu on the frontend

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jams:

just checking before chiming in =)

[21:16:22]

kormoc:

in the FE, I just do the live playback, that gives me enough info

[21:16:23]

gbee:

because http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/terra_watchrec.png wouldn't work very well if previews were disabled

[21:16:33]

kormoc:

a single frame isn't enough for me to know if I've seen it or not

[21:16:42]

kormoc:

it's true

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sphery:

jfry: if you enable commercial flagging, the preview will /not/ be taken from a marked commercial

[21:17:16]

sphery:

jfry: if commflagging doesn't work well in your area, it also respects cutlist

[21:17:38]

gbee:

since iamlindoro started to talk about fonts I can't help cringing at the one used in Terra, I never noticed before and now it's all I can see

[21:17:45]

jfry:

sphery, I flag my recordings, but often watch them before flagging catches up to all of the shows I record during primetime.

[21:17:56]

iamlindoro:

sorry :(

[21:18:03]

kormoc:

Comic Sans!

[21:19:28]

gbee:

worth noting, that although a couple of those recordings were started just to illustrate the recording animation, none of the previews are staged in any way they were taken automatically with an 80% hit-rate

[21:19:31]

jfry:

I think I would prefer the space used by the preview be used to have larger text or more information (episode number maybe) on screen. But I'm a minimalist anyway.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/

[21:19:58]

iamlindoro:

Those guys are off to a great start

[21:20:04]

iamlindoro:

and seem to be adding about a font a week

[21:20:09]

iamlindoro:

none of which suck

[21:20:15]

ExElNeT:

heya. is there a script which renames all videos to their correct name if there is imdb data available?

[21:20:55]

jfry:

ExElNeT, renames the actual file?

[21:21:29]

ExElNeT:

jfry: yes

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_ben:

mmm, would you expect playing back dvd's to use more cpu/gfx power than a tv recording?

[21:21:49]

ExElNeT:

_ben: much more

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jfry:

_ben, depends on the tv recording.

[21:22:14]

ExElNeT:

i guess...

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iamlindoro:

Jamu (part of .22) will optionally rename files

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jfry:

_ben, I have HD recordings that use tons more CPU to play back than DVD's... and I have some 480p digital shows that use far less (no deinterlacing necessary)

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ExElNeT:

iamlindoro: whats the .22 status? is there a changelog somewhere? espacially from 21 to 22?

[21:23:23]

_ben:

i'm using about ~20% cpu so i guess it's my gfx thats struggling?

[21:23:31]

_ben:

intel g35

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iamlindoro:

ExElNeT: due in the next 48–72 hours, and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22

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ExElNeT:

iamlindoro: cool

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sphery:

<Scotty> ExElNeT: 0.22 should be released in 3 months.

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jfry:

_ben unless you are offloading some of the video processing, then it's all CPU.

[21:25:03]

sphery:

that way when it's released much sooner, he'll be pleasantly surprised

[21:25:17]

_ben:

jfry: okay, i guess there's not much i can do

[21:25:59]

jfry:

_ben, you can try XVMC... never tried it with Intel, but it is supposed to work

[21:26:07]

jfry:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC

[21:26:12]

fabio_27:

hmm the eit scanner started now, but it won't find any data :/ but I'm sure there is data on that channel... any help? i'm using mythbuntu 9.04 with latest mythtv trunk (ppa)

[21:26:55]

sphery:

stuarta killed trac with his latest backtrace... (joke)

[21:27:04]

sphery:

but it is being /very/ slow

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jfry:

_ben, but 20% cpu is nothing... my current primary front end runs up to about 90% when watching HD... and we have it on most of the day.

[21:27:42]

_ben:

thing is if i rip it – it's fine

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jfry:

_ben, it's the de-css that's using CPU... most likely. Or your using a different player for DVD's than MythVideo.

[21:28:57]

_ben:

infact if i use mplayer, i'm sure it'll be fine

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justinh:

Ssssssssssssss

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sphery:

gbee: I stand corrected... Currently we use preroll, but not startearly in determining the pixmap position. Easy enough to stuck start early in there (actually, I have a patch that removes the setting and adds start early) that I was working on about a year ago...

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sphery:

still needs some polishing/testing, but wouldn't take much

[21:39:02]

sphery:

I'll plan to get it in for 0.23

[21:44:23]

mag0o:

man, the whole day off, and zero motivation

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laga:

mag0o: start drinking.

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mag0o:

hehe

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mag0o:

they day is done now

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mag0o:

time for the wife and kids to get home

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justinh:

hrm. random pixellation on channel 5 tonight

[21:46:21]

iamlindoro:

laga: #4065 is really old-- any updates on that?

[21:46:33]

kormoc:

justinh: a new episode of Family Guy?

[21:46:45]

justinh:

FG is on BBC Three, not Five

[21:47:03]

kormoc:

heh

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justinh:

FlashForward episode 3. Yawn already

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laga:

iamlindoro: close it :)

[21:47:27]

dustybin:

Mon Oct 12 22:47:27 BST 2009

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iamlindoro:

laga: cool, thanks

[21:47:31]

dustybin:

not long :D

[21:47:38]

kormoc:

justinh: not living up to the hype?

[21:47:47]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: it'll be another few days

[21:47:50]

justinh:

kormoc: not anymore

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dustybin:

:(

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justinh:

block dustybin's IP :D

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iamlindoro:

Ha

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iamlindoro:

"Wow, that's weird, you can't download it? I'm running it already!"

[21:49:08]

kormoc:

well, you and your 0.22, I'm running 1.0.22! Take that sucker!

[21:49:37]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: what is your dog doing right now?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah? Well I'm running OS/2.22

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: probably sleeping?

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dustybin:

aye ok

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kormoc:

Oh noes! How will I ever catch up?!?!

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iamlindoro:

You'll have to Warp ahead

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iamlindoro:

to the next Vista

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justinh:

dustybin: you should probably gzip your blackboard scribblings so that new theme is ready in time

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dustybin:

lol

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kormoc:

justinh: don't encourage him to release that blight on humanity!

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justinh:

mind the pencil eraser bits

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Yeah, you're the only one among us who claims to have been a design professional, where's the theme?

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justinh:

poster paints R us

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i been busy exploring other projects

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iamlindoro:

right

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dustybin:

asterisk was my last endevour

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justinh:

oooo potato print-wide!

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iamlindoro:

"It's not that I CAN'T do it... it's just that I'm too busy."

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i have 2 plans, 1) create a idiots guide to mythtv 2) theme

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justinh:

what's 0) ?

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dustybin:

0) = my backup system what i have nearly finished

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justinh:

I have a plan. One day I hope to leave this channel & never EVER come back

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justinh:

I wish!

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dustybin:

i have automated local and remote snapshot backup system working now

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kormoc:

we'd miss justinh's cheery outlook in our day to day lives

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justinh:

yeh yeah

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dustybin:

justinh: jeeze what have i done wrong :(

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justinh:

how long have you got?

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_ben:

jfry: weirdly it's absoluately fine in vlc

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justinh:

is vlc deinterlacing?

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KWhat_Work:

atom will have enough power with VDPAU right

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kormoc:

for what?

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iamlindoro:

for....?

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KWhat_Work:

basic rewind playback

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iamlindoro:

for a frontend only IF you only want to watch something supported by VDPAU and IF your source material is pristine

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KWhat_Work:

and xvid h264

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justinh:

not xvid no

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iamlindoro:

xvid and h264 are two different things

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kormoc:

why not ram two different codec names together and see what sticks!

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justinh:

hvid264?

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kormoc:

feature set q

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KWhat_Work:

from what i have read VDPAU can do both

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iamlindoro:

MPEG-h264.xvid.ogg.[l0l].release.nuked.torrent

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kormoc:

KWhat_Work: url?

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justinh:

it can, on some hardware

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KWhat_Work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU

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justinh:

only does xvid on the very highest end kit, which no ion system has

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iamlindoro:

On brand newest hardware VDPAU can do xvid, but not on anything you can buy as a discrete card

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iamlindoro:

and not on any ION hardware

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justinh:

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iamlindoro:

ergo, not on any atom hardware

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KWhat_Work:

k anyone know of a moboard that can do it that has wireless built in

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OmniCitadel:

Gahhh I just installed the linux sound drivers from the board manufacturer and now no sound cards are deteceted

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iamlindoro:

KWhat_Work: None

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KWhat_Work:

im trying to avoid the 10 ton case in my livingroom

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iamlindoro:

You can't buy a motherboard with a GPU that will support xvid

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iamlindoro:

and xvid is *trivial* to playback, it's stupid to even rely on VDPAU for it

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kormoc:

you really have xvid HD material?

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KWhat_Work:

not alot of it

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justinh:

KWhat_Work: so get a nice long remote cable & long HDMI cable, and hide the machine :P

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KWhat_Work:

but i was going to go with an atom chip

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justinh:

suspect it's 1337.group.xvid.HDTV-rip.avi

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kormoc:

just buy a mac mini and call it good

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justinh:

where's my mythical $99 HD capable frontend?!

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kormoc:

woo! new 2.6.32-rc out with a pile of nfs fixes!

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OmniCitadel:

is there a way to revert back to the sound card driver that was installed orginally, the oem driver made the card unable to be found

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mchou:

of course

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mchou:

but you're asking in the wrong channel

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mchou:

this is not #linux-support

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_ben:

sphery: poke

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malban:

Does anyone know whether shows/programs with record-at-anytime recording rules will automatically re-record after auto-expiring? The only information I can find seems dated <//www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/3520435.html>" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv- . . . 435.html>

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sphery:

_ben: peek

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gbee:

malban: iirc that is a setting, 'allow rerecord after auto-expire' or some-such, added 3/4 years ago at my request if I remember rightly (which I almost never do)

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gbee:

it was probably added 6 months ago as a patch from a guy who has never ever spoken to me ;)

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sphery:

malban: there's ""Re-record Watched: If set, programs that have been marked as watched and are auto-expired will be re-recorded if they are shown again."

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sphery:

malban: other than that, I think that if the show is watched, it's expired and not allowed to re-record. If it's not watched, it's expired and allowed to re-record.

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sphery:

malban: btw, it's in frontend settings under TV Settings|General

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iamlindoro:

Ah, at last, thanks to the dev list I can "Vitaminize my desire!"

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iamlindoro:

(For frequent getting busy)

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malban:

sphery: ok thanks

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gnarface:

AAARGH

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gnarface:

i hate the mail

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gnarface:

the only thing i hate worse than getting mail is not getting my mail

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gnarface:

sorry /offtopic

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, most of the discussion here is off topic

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