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Thursday, October 8th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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oobe:

does anyone know if this still works on .22 http://www.mythtv.com/wiki/Automatic_Parental . . . ture_request

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oobe:

i tried it but it didnt seem to work

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iamlindoro:

It'll work fine if you have a grabber that returns ratings

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iamlindoro:

tmdb/tvdb do not

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iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, you're looking at the hack

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iamlindoro:

who knows/cares

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iamlindoro:

That instantly makes your mythvideo unsupported/able

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oobe:

yeah well after it didnt work i dropped my database then restored a backup i made an hr earlier

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oobe:

cause i wasnt sure if it would not only not work but mess things up later on

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AgentHeX:

this is strange. i'm now trying to use the analog tuner, and every channel comes up as 0% signal. *YEEEARRRGH!!*

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

when's 0.22 coming out?

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iamlindoro:

Tuesdayish

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Hilikus:

niiiice

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Hilikus:

will it make it to ubuntu 9.10? probably not eh?

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tmkt:

hilikus

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wagnerrp:

the ubuntu beta has been using trunk for some time

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tmkt:

should be

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tmkt:

the beta version of 9.10 have it

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tmkt:

using it now..only issues i have are with lircd, and lcdproc

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not shipped with 9.10

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Hilikus:

what issues with lircd?

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tmkt:

remote isn't working

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wagnerrp:

and 0.22 can be added to the repository whenever they please

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iamlindoro:

Which has nothing to do with Myth, for the record

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tmkt:

seems like its an issue with lirc 0.85

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Hilikus:

you know why? is it your particular remote?

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tmkt:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/386229

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tmkt:

might be that

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Hilikus:

myth packaging doesn't have anything to do with myth?

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tmkt:

Hilikus lirc has nothing to do with myth

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Hilikus:

oooh lirc

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Hilikus:

i see

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iamlindoro:

And for the record again, yes, myth packaging has nothing to do with myth

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Hilikus:

what is the current lirc version in 0.21?

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iamlindoro:

since we have no control over what some Yabo does with the code

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tmkt:

lirc on mythbuntu 9.04 worked great on my hvr-1600

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, Myth doesn't *have* lirc versions

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iamlindoro:

Myth isn't lirc

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Hilikus:

there's no myth module linking to a lirc lib or something?

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tmkt:

i'm giving lirc 0.86 a shot right now

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, nope

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Hilikus:

i see

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iamlindoro:

Myth accesses the lirc API, which is independent of version

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Hilikus:

well, obviously when you use a library you access the API, that doesn't mean it doesn't link to the library

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tmkt:

only myth issue i've had with 0.22 thats included in the 9.10 beta..is a SQL error on mythexport install

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, How many times do I have to say that? Myth has no concept of LIRC versioning and anyone's LIRC issues have *0* to do with myth

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Hilikus:

i know the issues have 0 to do with myth because the pertain the internals of lirc, but when a program links to a library (obviously using it through an API) there has to be versioning conditions, otherwise i could link to ANY version of lirc. btw APIs are never independent of versions. api's change

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Hilikus:

anyway, i get your point which is the important thing

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Hilikus:

tmkt: did you install 0.22 from scratch or upgraded?

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tmkt:

installed mythbuntu 9.10 from scratch

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tmkt:

kinda.. did a database backup and restore to not lose my recordings

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tmkt:

was adding a new 1.5TB drive in at the time also, so timing was good

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Hilikus:

is it possible to migrate from 0.21? or i need to just uninstall 0.21 and install 0.22?

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Hilikus:

i mean, upgrate

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Hilikus:

worst case i can migrate dumping the DB like you said

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tmkt:

yeah..

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tmkt:

you can..

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tmkt:

but the clean install worked much better

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Hilikus:

how so?

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pyther:

I used avidemux to convert a mpeg to avi, but the audio and video aren't in sync

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tmkt:

Hilikus: i had issues with a theme i was using

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tmkt:

then i started getting lockups everywhere

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tmkt:

lockups all disapeared with the clean install

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mzb:

pyther, demux the video first, or don't use avidemux ;)

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mzb:

(I've gone the latter for most editing)

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pyther:

mzb, how do I demux the video first?

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mzb:

ProjectX ? ... but you'd think that aviDEMUX would be able to do it ... I've never tried.

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pyther:

Hmm, I wonder why the audio and video was so much out of sync

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mzb:

dvb?

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mzb:

each broadcaster will probably be different, too

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pyther:

The video and audio in fine in the orginal mpeg file

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pyther:

*is

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mzb:

yes, because they get synced on playback

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mzb:

(afaik)

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mzb:

but when you edit with avidemux that offset is lost/moved ... or something ... ask an expert

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pyther:

I see

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mzb:

doing it by ear (in avidemux) doesn't work for me ... takes too long and is never right

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pyther:

so I need to demux it and then what? Remux it? (noob here)

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pyther:

Its a pain in the ass to transcode this damn files

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pyther:

nuvexport always fails, plus the mythbackend machine is way to slow

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mzb:

demux, load the video into avidemux and select audio as the mp2 file

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wagnerrp:

buy more hard drives?

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mzb:

what are you trying to do?

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mzb:

got to be quick ... baby awaits

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pyther:

mpg2 or nvu to avi

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mzb:

hint: fix your reception :)

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pyther:

I have digital (ATSC)

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pyther:

not much I can do to fix it AFAIK

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mag0o:

well, still crashing on me with removing packages and /var/lib/libmyth* – http://notes.lynchmv.com/gdb.txt

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mag0o:

goes in to mythvideo just fine, i browse around the videos, then try to exit from videos and it hangs

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, Open a ticket against the UI Library with all the above info, and a log with -v file,extra

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mag0o:

k

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mag0o:

iamlindoro: i did add some new images to the theme i'm building today, could they be the culprit? Just regular png's

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, really doubtful, it's wrapped up in working through the image load threading Captain_Murdoch has been at all week

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mag0o:

ok, i got to thinking about if i changed anything and thats all i could come up with

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iamlindoro:

It's almost certainly not you, and your segfault is identical to those I was working through with CM

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iamlindoro:

if you're up to date, the best you can do is submit the bug and let him or gbee figure out what's up

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Captain_Murdoch:

did you pastebin a backtrace?

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mag0o:

k, i did svn up after i removed everything and stuck mythbackend --version at the top of the gdb.txt

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mag0o:

ticket 7271

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mag0o:

has backtrace and -v file,extra attached

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. thanks.

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dashcloud:

hi, are there any issues using mythrename.pl with storage groups? (using --link)

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wagnerrp:

no

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dashcloud:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

aside from the links will only work on systems with NFS access

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mersault:

I tried to watch some recorded TV for the first time in a few days tonight, and it wouldn't play anything. I checked the logs, and I see it looking for '1571_20091007190000.mpg', but that file doesn't exist. I do however see some files recorded today ('1091_20091007000500.mpg', for instance). What the heck happened?

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wagnerrp:

they are merely file system links, the files are not transferred over the backend

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Wicked:

hmm..mythcommflag is still running on this backend...when its supposed to be running on my server

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Wicked:

my server is running mythjobqueue...but for some reason its not doing anything

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[R]:

there is a setting

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wagnerrp:

do you have jobs set to only run on the system that recorded them?

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[R]:

that...

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wagnerrp:

do you have those jobs disabled on that system?

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

i thought i did

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wagnerrp:

do you have a limit of time that it can run on

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Wicked:

is it in mythtv-setup? or settings under mythfrontend?

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Wicked:

no limits

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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Wicked:

hmm ok.

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Captain_Murdoch:

mag0o, what theme was that?

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Wicked:

i got some recordings tonight...so will prob have to wait until later before i can stop the backend

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Think it's his own theme he's working on

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, just curious if that tickled something that other themes don't.

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iamlindoro:

Very possible

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pyther:

I need some help

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pyther:

I have a video that is 704x480

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pyther:

What is the best way to resize it?

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pyther:

Or should I just leave it the way it is?

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[R]:

why do you want to resize it?

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iamlindoro:

why would you resize it?

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iamlindoro:

it's bad enough as is

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pyther:

I dunno why I want to resize it

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iamlindoro:

In that case, problem solved!

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pyther:

It'd be nice to make it play in full screen

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iamlindoro:

So play it at full screen

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pyther:

lol

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pyther:

Easy enough

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pyther:

Now hopefully I'll be able to watch my movie tomorrow!

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pyther:

Now that I learned how to demux and cut commercials using project X

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iamlindoro:

Why not use myth's internal commercial cutting and transcode?

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iamlindoro:

No need to go to projectx/avidemux unless there's a really good reason for it

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pyther:

I want an avi file that I can watch on my laptop

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pyther:

As on Tuesdays and Thursdays I'm at my university for 12+hrs

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iamlindoro:

Why would the container prevent you from watching it?

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iamlindoro:

MPG is a way more portable container than AVI

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pyther:

iamlindoro, size

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iamlindoro:

container doesn't reduce size

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iamlindoro:

unless you mean you're transcoding, which has nothing to do with AVI

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pyther:

The options at which it get encoded at does

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pyther:

no?

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iamlindoro:

AVI, MPG, NUv, etc. are just containers

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iamlindoro:

they have no bearing on what the format of the actual video or audio are

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iamlindoro:

so going from MPG->AVI doesn't buy you anything

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iamlindoro:

but going from a high bitrate to a low bitrate does

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pyther:

Ahh ok

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pyther:

But then why does 1500 bitrate look pretty decent?

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pyther:

I mean I really can't tell the difference between the two

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iamlindoro:

going from an inefficient codec to an efficient one you can recoup some bitrate, and not being terribly discerning

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iamlindoro:

Personally, No codec would have enough efficiency, even at standard definition, to look OK at 1500 Kb/s

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iamlindoro:

but to each his own

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pyther:

Could it have to do with the size of my monitor that I'm watching it on?

[02:43:11]

iamlindoro:

probably not-- it's probably far more of a personal tolerance

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iamlindoro:

You look at enough material for long enough and you start to develop low tolerance for macroblocking, transcode artifacts, etc.

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iamlindoro:

IF it makes you happy, that's more than enough

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iamlindoro:

The only person it has to satisfy is you

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pyther:

ahh, I'm use to watching static, prior to the ATSC switch over

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jeffery:

Is there a setting in mythtv that I can randomise the input tuners?

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sphery:

jeffery: what for?

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jeffery:

sphery: just for fun.... nah I thought maybe I can randomise the tuner selection because the first tuner always gets picked if there are not more than one recordings to perform

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sphery:

jeffery: yeah, it's designed to always use a specific order to allow you to always use your best input for recordings (and work your way down through worse inputs)

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sphery:

there's really no way to randomize them other than moving them--i.e. either reboot and let udev randomize the device names if they're all the same or physically move cards...

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jeffery:

sphery: no harm, just was curious if there was a setting

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resno_:

i am in between two mind sets and i would like you guys to help me decide. i need to get a new hard drive for my mythbox. my current motherboard only supports ide. should i splurge on a new motherboard and let it use sata, etc or just get a new ide harddrive.

[03:22:00]

sphery:

resno_: Getting a reasonably-priced and reasonably-sized PATA HDD is very difficult these days. I ended up getting a PCI SATA card with a SATA HDD so I could buy big/cheap HDD's.

[03:22:34]

resno_:

sphery: where did you get the card? ebay? newegg?

[03:23:16]

sphery:

newegg

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sphery:

I got an PATA/SATA combo card figuring I can use it for SATA in my old systems, then when I upgrade, I can use it for PATA in the new systems

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resno_:

yea that makes since, and the convertors look cheap enough

[03:24:43]

sphery:

This is one of the cards I got: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132009

[03:25:38]

resno_:

thanks.

[03:25:45]

resno_:

another question i am looking at booting my frontends through netboots.

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sphery:

I didn't get the converter--I don't know how good they are, but a lot of people I talked to mentioned that they tend to fall out/get disconnected

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resno_:

i was reading on pxelinux is it hard to set up?

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resno_:

ill stick to the actually controller card then...

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sphery:

the SATA card I got was easy... just plugged it in and it worked

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sphery:

oh, but you were asking if pxelinux is hard to set up

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sphery:

that I don't know

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resno_:

thats the system to use to do netbooting right?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

best bet is probably to get a distro that's set up for that

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resno_:

do you have seperate front ends and backends?

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sphery:

ask on here when others are around--there are quite a few using netboot

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sphery:

I have a single dedicated frontend

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sphery:

and 2 dedicated backends

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resno_:

ah i see

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resno_:

you can use the card to connect external sata drives?

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mersault:

wtf? all of a sudden my frontend won't play recordings. when I try to watch a recording, the backend says it's looking for '1571_20091007190000.mpg', but that file doesn't exist. and no matter which recording I try and watch, it always tries to play this one.

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resno_:

sphery: can you use the controller card to boot off?

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sphery:

resno_: haven't tried, but assuming your mobo BIOS supports booting off cards, should be able to

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resno_:

sphery: ah, i see. feels good getting everything together and without busting the bank :)

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resno_:

sphery: what is considered enough space? i know thats a terrible question. the hd pricing keeps making me want to inch up another few hundred gb.

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resno_:

looking to start at 500gb for now

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wagnerrp:

changes in storage group directories take a restart of the backend, right?

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wagnerrp:

im debating whether the bindings should be capable of affecting some change that requires a restart of the backend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: officially, yes, but in actuality, may not

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sphery:

resno_: I wouldn't get less that a 1TB HDD if buying new

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resno_:

sphery: really... that big?

[03:44:31]

sphery:

mainly because Myth can actually use the space and the price isn't much different from a 500GB

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wagnerrp:

thats about the low price point

[03:44:44]

wagnerrp:

above and below that, drives cost more per GB

[03:45:08]

wagnerrp:

1.0 and 1.5 are the sweet spot for economy currently

[03:45:25]

wagnerrp:

leaning more towards the 1.5s

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sphery:

resno_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317 for $5 off with promo code EMCMLLT64 (and free shipping for a total price of $79.99 for 1TB)

[03:46:21]

wagnerrp:

if you wait around, you can usually find one around 70

[03:46:39]

wagnerrp:

ive twice seen a dell deal where they were selling a pair of seagate 1.5s for $200

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tzanger:

good evening

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resno_:

evening to you. night to me ;)

[03:47:17]

tzanger:

I have two backends; is it possible to configure the slave backend to NOT store content (and have all content stored on the master backend, even if the slave backend is the one that recorded the content) ?

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tzanger:

resno_: oh it's 23:47 here :-)

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clever:

tzanger: just dont add storage groups to the slave

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clever:

and nfs mount the master's storage

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: mount your recording directory over NFS, and tell the slave to record to that directory

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tzanger:

clever: hmm, I didn't know I had storage groups on the slave backend :-)

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wagnerrp:

clever: you still have to use SGs

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: okay

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clever:

wagnerrp: if you dont add any, it defaults to the ones on the master

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resno_:

wagnerrp: do you by chance use netboot?

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clever:

which you mount via nfs

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sphery:

tzanger: and you probably want "Master Backend Override: If enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory. Useful if you are using a central storage location, like a NFS share, and your slave backend isn't running."

[03:48:43]

wagnerrp:

tzanger: mythtv needs local file access, so however you want to provide that file access to the slaves...

[03:48:45]

tzanger:

it's odd... the slave is a (much) faster machine, both have gigabit cards, but the frontend has a lot of trouble playing content off the slave backend

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wagnerrp:

resno_: yes, why?

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: the frontend definitely doesn't have direct access to the salve backend's storage in this case

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clever:

tzanger: the frontend may be streaming it thru the slave, which is then streaming it from the backend

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resno_:

wagnerrp: i was curious about how easy/hard is was to setup and run? versus booting off an hd.

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clever:

tzanger: which would double the load on the slave and cause extra delays

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wagnerrp:

tzanger: not a problem, on the backends need file access

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wagnerrp:

only

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tzanger:

clever: in my case I would have thought hte frotnend was streaming it directly from the slave

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clever:

tzanger: master backend override (see above)

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tzanger:

clever: indeed, will try that, thank you

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wagnerrp:

resno_: follow any of the guides online, its fairly easy to set up

[03:50:26]

wagnerrp:

especially if you already have DHCP set up

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resno_:

dhcp through the server or a router?

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clever:

static dhcp, thru anything

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wagnerrp:

preferably DHCP server on a router

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wagnerrp:

err... on a server

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wagnerrp:

unless youre running some hacked firmware on your router, it wont have the capability to send the necessary data to the clients

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tzanger:

hmm the slave backend here does not have any storage groups defined

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clever:

most modern routes can do static dhcp, where it would let you fix the ip it gives to a mac

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resno_:

wagnerrp: i figured youd say that..

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clever:

though mine dumbly reboots whenever i change those entrys

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tzanger:

I also do have master backend override set on this slave

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clever:

causing everything to go down

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resno_:

wagnerrp: do you think its a worthwhile setup for one or maybe two frontends?

[03:52:24]

wagnerrp:

even then, does dnsmasq support netboot?

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wagnerrp:

resno_: i find it easier to manage than having to supply a disk to each one

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clever:

i have ~4–5 seperate systems setup to netboot from the same root image

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wagnerrp:

to add another frontend, just copy the directory, add an entry in the dhcpd.conf, and boot it

[03:53:48]

clever:

though there are many small problems i had to hack around to make them share

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wagnerrp:

or if you want to get fancy, you can make your own startup scripts to allow you to run off the same share

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clever:

copying the dir as wagnerrp said would be simpler

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wagnerrp:

or if youre running ubuntu, (and possibly other distros) there is a facility to set most of this stuff up for you automatically

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clever:

one of the things ive yet to fix, is letting anybody non-root unmount or eject disks

[03:54:50]

clever:

my /etc/fstab file cant be shared(or all hell breaks loose) and using a symlink breaks the memory of who mounted what

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resno_:

wagnerrp: do you know what its called in ubunutu?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

i just know theres some automated tool

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wagnerrp:

that sets up a single master share

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wagnerrp:

and AUFS overlays for multiple clients

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clever:

yeah, aufs would help alot

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wagnerrp:

which gets some users into trouble because they have no idea what that means

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clever:

then its not exactly sharing writes

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wagnerrp:

"why are my settings not being kept???"

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resno_:

what does aufs do?

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wagnerrp:

union

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resno_:

went to google and dont see anything helpful...

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clever:

resno_: lets you overlay several file systems on the same mount point

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wagnerrp:

overlays one filesystem on top of another

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resno_:

gotcha.

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wagnerrp:

so you can see files on the lower, but you write to the upper

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clever:

one common usage is to overlay a tmpfs (in ram) on a read only cd

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clever:

for livecd's

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resno_:

are the system requirements any different? ie) ram?

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clever:

so the whole cd will store the read-only files(faster boot, less ram waste) but it acts read/write

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wagnerrp:

for a diskless frontend?

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tzanger:

hmm

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resno_:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

you have no disk, so you have no swap

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tzanger:

on the slave backend, do I *want* master backend override? I'm having some trouble understanding what the help is actually saying

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wagnerrp:

you probably want additional ram, so you dont risk an overrun

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clever:

tzanger: master backend override is a global option, its turned on for everything

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wagnerrp:

moreso if youre running a tmpfs overlay

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tzanger:

"if enabled, the master backend will stream and delete files if it finds them in the video directory"

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tzanger:

clever: hmm

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clever:

basicaly, it makes the master do all the streaming/deleting

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tzanger:

clever: I just set up a storage group (the nfs-mounted dir on the master backend, where I want all recordings) — master backend override souldn't matter anymore

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clever:

instead of the slave that made the file

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clever:

so you can have the slave write to the master's disk, and then shut the slave off

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clever:

and still play/delete stuff

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tzanger:

clever: hmm. in theory I do NOT want that then... maybe the problem is that the master backend's in the way right now

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wagnerrp:

in the way?

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tzanger:

clever: ahh, yeah I don't care so much for that. the only reason the slave is there in the first place is because the master doesn't have a pcie slot

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wagnerrp:

all your files are on the master

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clever:

if a slave record to the master disk, the file will be 'owned' by the slave

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wagnerrp:

so you *want* the master to do all the streaming

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clever:

and the slave would be the one to delete things

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: NOW they are; I just set up a storage group on the slave which is the master's storage dir nfs mounted

[04:00:13]

wagnerrp:

so your slave has its own disk?

[04:00:13]

tzanger:

wagnerrp: before the slave would have been storing locally

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: yes it does

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clever:

my setup is a little ass-backwards

[04:00:42]

clever:

the 'master' (with mysql) is network booting from a slave

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wagnerrp:

well then storing files to the master over NFS is not going to improve things any

[04:01:29]

tzanger:

wagnerrp: the issue that I'm struggling with is that playing back content stored on the slave seems to stutter pretty badly, even thought he slave is much faster than the master. all three (frontend, master and slave backend) are on a gigabit lan and all three have gigabit cards

[04:01:36]

tzanger:

wagnerrp: recording I'm not worried about, it's the playback

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wagnerrp:

what content? what frontend?

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wagnerrp:

disk contention is likely not your issue

[04:02:09]

tzanger:

I also think that the issue MAY be that the slave backend is doing the EIT crawl when I'm playing content off it and the ATSC driver is stalling the system

[04:02:22]

tzanger:

especially waiting to tune weak channels

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wagnerrp:

EIT? ATSC? wha?

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: HD content

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wagnerrp:

you should NOT be grabbing EIT data on an ATSC tuner

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wagnerrp:

it just should be done

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wagnerrp:

never, never, never

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: hmm okay, I will disable that, but can you tell me why? I do get (very short) guide data on these channels

[04:03:26]

wagnerrp:

and the frontend hardware is...?

[04:03:40]

wagnerrp:

tzanger: you have an SD account, right?

[04:03:43]

tzanger:

wagnerrp: AM2, M2NPV-VM running minimyth

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: yes I do

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wagnerrp:

well the SD data will tend to not match up exactly with your EIT data

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wagnerrp:

which will ruin the scheduler's capability to do any sort of old recording matching

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wagnerrp:

and for that privilege, you get all of a couple hours of data

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: hm, good to know :-)

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tzanger:

I've disabled it now

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wagnerrp:

well any AM2 chip should play any ATSC content without issue

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre using the proper nvidia drivers with that board

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wagnerrp:

(and Xv is working)

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: yes, the minimyth distro does have nvidia support, although M2NPV-VM is a little old for the really nice hardware accel

[04:06:44]

wagnerrp:

go into the playback profiles, and set it to 'Slim'

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tzanger:

I was having some trouble understanding that as well actually

[04:07:15]

tzanger:

is it just speed/quality tradeoffs?

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wagnerrp:

the only real 'quality tradeoffs' in mythtv are the deinterlacers you use

[04:08:22]

wagnerrp:

single or dual core?

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tzanger:

so what do the playback profiles do?

[04:08:43]

tzanger:

single core; it's just a sempron 3400+

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wagnerrp:

playback profiles let you set other decoders, such as xvmc or vdpau

[04:09:11]

wagnerrp:

and they let you set different deinterlacers depending on the resolution

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tzanger:

ahh

[04:09:28]

wagnerrp:

you should be using Xv (not XvMC)

[04:09:31]

tzanger:

I have a nice nvidia card in antoher PC that *does* support vdpau

[04:09:36]

tzanger:

just haven't got around to using it yet

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: I'll check and see what it's using. Why not XvMC?

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wagnerrp:

you have enough power to not need it

[04:10:03]

tzanger:

the idea with this system (at the time I bought it a few years ago) was silent operation

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wagnerrp:

and XvMC causes a number of annoying limitations to the UI

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tzanger:

the motherboard has fan speed control and I gave it a huge copper heatsink (AM2 heatsink+fan for a 1U install, then replaced the blower with a really quiet fan)

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tzanger:

wagnerrp: I did not know that either

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tzanger:

wow I'm getting a really good education tonight, even though I've been using myth for over 4 years now

[04:11:03]

wagnerrp:

a 3400 will have no problem with decoding, and should have no problem with whatever deinterlacer you give it

[04:11:46]

wagnerrp:

longer than i have....

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tzanger:

it's been largely wife-approved too

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tzanger:

*especially* the commercial skip :-)

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: any example you can think of that causes the code to wait until a MythDialogBox exits?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, Depends where you're seeing it-- if you just queued up a bunch of threaded image loads and they haven't finished yet, Myth now puts a hold on exiting the screen until the threads complete

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elmojo:

just within the main mythfrontend program

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iamlindoro:

ie open mythvideo, blast down the list, and immediately hit Esc

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elmojo:

trying to replace that stupid Qt bookmark popup

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iamlindoro:

ah, so a literal mythUI MythDialogBox

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elmojo:

yes

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iamlindoro:

that would be well received :)

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iamlindoro:

No, not aware of anything that should delay that

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iamlindoro:

what are you seeing?

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elmojo:

I'm seeing the video start and then when I exit I see the dialog box

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sphery:

are you saying that it's not currently waiting and you want to see some code that does wait so you know how to program it?

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elmojo:

yes

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, and you have to esc out of it?

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elmojo:

yes, escape out of the video

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elmojo:

I want the dialog box to show, wait for input, then play the video

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iamlindoro:

okay, so the mythdialogbox comes up, you select an option, and then watch the video, and when you come back it's still up?

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sphery:

elmojo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/368263#368263

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iamlindoro:

or you press play, it plays the video, and when you come back, see the box?

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sphery:

the latter, I'm pretty sure

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iamlindoro:

yeah, sounds like

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sphery:

the dialogs don't block--and can't

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elmojo:

plays video first and when I come back I see the box

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iamlindoro:

yeah, see above

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sphery:

the thread I linked was the last good discussion of it

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sphery:

though that was a tougher case because it was code before myth had really started

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elmojo:

sphery: thanks, I'll have a read

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elmojo:

guess I need to figure out how to "listen for the dialog completion event"

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sphery:

elmojo: I was going to say you should look at how he fixed it when he modified it to use events, but he just reverted the change and went back to non-mythui.

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sphery:

so, I don't think any "modal" mythui dialogs exist in trunk, yet.

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wagnerrp:

how would you search for not a title in mythweb?

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wagnerrp:

i want to block a certain title from searches

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, i can just omit categories

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sidh:

greetings everybody

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sidh:

yesterday i was near to have a working HTPC when i installed kaffeine(to test dvb-t) , which smashed up my audio settings, and only audio was available with mythtv apps, but no sound with vlc/mplayer and so on, while i was investigating , some people told me that pulse audio stuff (that are dependancies of kaffeineis known to have problem with Mythbuntu (and mythtv in general), so my question is: where is the advantage to make a special mythtv distro ,

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[R]:

sidh: what?

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sidh:

is there some mythtv distro , that have repositories that only contains packages that don't put trouble in the distro. I mean ifaik mythbuntu doesn't install any pulse audio stuff by default in the install, whereas ubuntu does (which is a good choice imho) , so why putting in mythbuntu repositories packages that install pulseaudio stuff as dependancies , or more why pulseaudio is available in mythbuntu repositories?

[08:05:29]

sidh:

(which is a good choice == no pulseaudio stuff)

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[R]:

sidh: wtf?

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[R]:

sidh: if you dont want pulseaudio... don't install it

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sidh:

[R]: it installs as dependancies, that is not coherent for a distro that has trouble with pulseaudio, it is not coherent

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[R]:

so then dont install the app that depends on it...

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sidh:

make a distro with repositories of another distro is quite .... STRANGE

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[R]:

sidh: huh?

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Dagmar:

sunsite.unc.edu/ibilio.org

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Dagmar:

It's not strange.

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sidh:

ubuntu is a general distro , so having troubles and conflicts with available package is normal, but when there is a "fork" or an decision to make a specific distro for a task (multimedia e.g.) you have to choose very carefully which package you make available in the repositories of this distro , and which you don't make availaible, or else there is no benefits comparing to install a ubuntu with myth packages and dependancies...

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[R]:

sidh: they all use the same repos...

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[R]:

sidh: but pulse is crap to begin with... people who donj't use mythtv have problems iwht it

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[R]:

sidh: there is no difference between mythbuntu and ubuntu and installing mythtv

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Dagmar:

Oh yes there is

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sidh:

[R]: that is what i complain about

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Dagmar:

MythBuntu has stuff to help you be less screwed if you don't read any instructions.

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Dagmar:

"less" screwed.

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[R]:

Dagmar: you can instll those packages into "regular" ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Not "working fine" but merely "less not working"

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sidh:

making a distro like that , there could be as many distro than there is linux users

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Dagmar:

You have to be literate to know where to get those tho

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[R]:

Dagmar: its all the ubuntu repos...

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sidh:

one VIMBuntu, one EmacsBuntu, one NanoBuntu, on GeditBuntu

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[R]:

sidh: i'm sorry... do you have a point?

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sidh:

as i asked before , among the 3 main mythtv distro , is there one that is coherent?, or are they all made in the same way ?

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[R]:

all the "mythtv" distros are just regular dists with mythtv preinstalled

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[R]:

sidh: if you dont know what you are doing... you shodulnt' be screwing around with your pacakges

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sidh:

what a wasted time

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[R]:

?

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sidh:

[R]: no there should not be available package that screw around with your specifik distro (but i realized mythbuntu has nothing specifik, it is just "marketing")

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sidh:

specific

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[R]:

sidh: solution: don't install anything

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[R]:

problem solved

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[R]:

sidh: if you had a special dist JUST for myuth... it woudlnt have any extra pacakges avialbvle

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[R]:

so dont install stupid nonsense

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[R]:

and you'll have the samet hting as a dist JUST fpor myth

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sidh:

YOU really don't want to understand

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sidh:

COHERENT

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[R]:

lol

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sidh:

if one choose to make a dedicated distro, one have to make specific repositories that only contains packages that are known to work well with that specific distro

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sidh:

you know, it would be strange to have KDE4.X availabel for maemo project or embedded device with few hardware ressources, so they don't put kde4.x stuff in maemo repos, that is the same for mythbuntu, if mythbuntu would want to have a real reason to exist in comparison with ubuntu + mythtv package

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[R]:

if you insist on complalinng about how much you think mythbuntu sucks... i'm sure they have their own channel you can yell at t hem in... and i'm sure you can also creat your own dist just overnight with whatever you want

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[Peter]:

sidh: why whine about it? just don't use it if you don't see the point

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sidh:

[Peter]: Yes, now i've been told how is it easy to promote a new Linux Distro as you just have to invent a new name, i will be more carefully next time

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purefusion:

any known issues using x64 versions of ubuntu?

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justinh:

purefusion: why not ask in #ubuntu?

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purefusion:

justinh: because I'm not asking about ubuntu somuchas mythtv

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justinh:

"09:45 < purefusion> any known issues using x64 versions of ubuntu?" didn't include mythtv in the question

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purefusion:

I recall someone mentioning some sort of mythtv issue with x64

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justinh:

I recall someone mentioning some sort of mythtv issue with all kinds of stuff in here :P

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justinh:

why not try it & see how it goes? ;-)

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justinh:

unless you have squillions of ram there's prolly not much point even bothering with x64#

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[Peter]:

probably not even then

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justinh:

and even then, a mythtv system doesn't necessarily need *that* much ram

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[Peter]:

unless you plan on using processes that use more than 3GB

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justinh:

I'm still surprised that the transition to 64 bit hasn't been quick or absolute. How long have 64-bit CPUs been around now?

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[Peter]:

it's just not that useful to regular users yet

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[Peter]:

you get pretty far with just PAE-support

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justinh:

yeah there aren't many apps which need vast amounts of ram

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justinh:

not even mythfrontend running at 1080P with lots of fanart images & a fancy theme AFAIK

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simonckenyon:

i found a discussion from a few years ago asking about running mythfrontend on a dreambox. with the dm500 clones selling for less than $80 i was wondering if it was possible

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justinh:

hahahaha

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justinh:

you'd probably have to modify mythfrontend so much it would no longer be mythfrontend

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justinh:

see the main problem with those kind of things is the extremely limited amount of ram they have

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gbee:

besides which, the subject of dreambox is a touchy one because so many people use it to steal Satellite

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justinh:

oh and hacking the mpeg deocder support into mythtv might be 'fun'

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quicksilver:

so I rebuilt a few of my recordedseek tables the other day using mythcommflag --rebuild

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justinh:

gbee: don't forget cable

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quicksilver:

and it "sort of" worked.

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quicksilver:

the recordings have seek tables now

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quicksilver:

but the scale is all wrong

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quicksilver:

1 hour recordings think they are 1 minute 49 seconds long

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quicksilver:

my 'jump back' 5 seconds button jumps back, well, whatever that corresponds to

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quicksilver:

about 2.5 minutes or something

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justinh:

every time I go to a market round my way they've got those 'linux' STBs, preinstalled, pre-scanned. Sickens me to the stomach

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gbee:

justinh: trading standards don't get out much around your way?

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justinh:

apparently not

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justinh:

there's a hell of a lot of dodgy console games & DVDs too.. not even presented hush-hush. All completely upfront like it's normal & ok

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justinh:

remember the 1st time I ever went to Bowlers in Manchester. Quite an eye opener seeing people fill a van with pallets of blank media & duplicator towers

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justinh:

there's not been a raid on Bowlers for ages apparently. They used to send the warez vendors scurring away spilling the contents of their pirate-laden cases. Quite a sight :P

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quicksilver:

did they place the intro from only fools and horses while doing so?

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quicksilver:

s/place/play/

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justinh:

there's a road outside the place & it was lined on both sides for about 100 yards in either direction with people flogging dodgy software & DVDs

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justinh:

only ever saw the likes of that when I visited Beijing. nowadays they're all inside the place flogging the stuff for a fiver a pop

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justinh:

not a bad return on your investment is it

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justinh:

ffs. vibration testing house has sent pics of the units I've got in for evaluation to show which screws came loose. 352x257 resolution. Yeah, really ****ing helpful man

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simonckenyon:

i was asking because they are cheap pieces of hardware – anyway, there are lots of easier ways of nicking content

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justinh:

it'd certainly be nice to have a low power, very cheap, good looking frontend capable of playing HD. but the DM500 et al are only SD capable

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justinh:

and they've got as good as no ram

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justinh:

which kind of precludes a really good looking interface

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justinh:

maybe one day if somebody was to build a upnp player which didn't have a UI that sucked ass

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jduggan:

# Space Used by LiveTV: 362 MB <- hey thats a pretty low amount :)

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simonckenyon:

well at $80 including shipping i might just give it a go anyway

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jduggan:

im slowly getting out of that channel surfing habbit

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justinh:

I don't think upnp will ever offer anything like the flexibility mythfrontend offers us. Not even close

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justinh:

heh even the DM8000HD only has 256MB RAM

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justinh:

eew. 7-segment font on the default DM UI

[11:02:54]

justinh:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/dreambox%2 . . . enshot-3.jpg

[11:03:02]

justinh:

I like the text font though

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gbee:

ion based system seems to be the way to go atm, cheap, extremely small and powerful with connectivity that I don't expect you'd find on a dbox etc

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justinh:

for those of us with streams resilient enough for VDPAU to play :)

[11:04:39]

justinh:

still got my fingers majorly crossed. I know I'm a cynic but that doesn't mean I *want* VDPAU to suck on any level

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gbee:

it's stabilised pretty nicely, not quite as good as ffmpeg but good enough

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jduggan:

ive givin up on my q35 dvi out

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jduggan:

i bought an intel board with integrated dvi hoping i wouldnt need to get an extra video card

[11:07:47]

jduggan:

but i cant get a modeline working on my tv

[11:07:57]

jduggan:

nvidia drivers work ootb

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jduggan:

:(

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justinh:

I could live with the occasional wibble. Freeview STB users have to put up with them. And Sky plus just skips 30 sec chunks

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gbee:

or a couple of hours in a bad storm

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justinh:

thing about the open source drivers is, I'm surprised they're not better than they are – I mean they've got all the specs & stuff at their fingertips

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justinh:

(intel)

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** jduggan wonders how cheap he can get a vdpau card from *gulp* pcworld **

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pmhahn:

Hi. The MythUPnP-Server seems to assume, that MythVideo is installed. I get the following error

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pmhahn:

Error preparing query: SELECT filename, title, coverfile FROM videometadata

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jduggan:

justinh, i was hanging about in #intel-gfx, looks like its being worked on and they have mpeg offloading working already in their test environments, i believe theyre working on h264 etc

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pmhahn:

Table 'mythconverg.videometadata' doesn't exist

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pmhahn:

latest MythTV from svn-trunk

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justinh:

jduggan: I just mean working on an "everyday, playing video in sync on a 2D surface" level

[11:16:32]

jduggan:

yea the future looked promising for integrated intel gpus

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jduggan:

but nothing impressive has come

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_ben:

i dunno

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_ben:

they have made good progress

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mzb:

any point in adding a link to a short "look, my lights dim when playing recordings" video in the ticket for pre/post-playback commands?

[11:17:24]

justinh:

mzb: won't harm

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justinh:

helps sell it

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mzb:

k, can you check it works for you? I had problems re-encoding the audio (probably not important) ??

[11:18:10]

justinh:

anyway, it stands a much better chance with a patch attached ;-)

[11:18:28]

justinh:

sure

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mzb:

already done

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mzb:

k, thanks ... <1 min upload remaining

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mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . on_playback/

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mzb:

grr

[11:20:55]

mzb:

same thing, but not my intention ;)

[11:21:00]

mzb:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . VI_1243.xvid

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justinh:

oo a whole 50k/sec

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justinh:

KB, mind

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jduggan:

180 here

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mzb:

hmm

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jduggan:

:P

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jduggan:

in stealing the bw

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mzb:

patch has been attached to #7257, but no config as sphery is planning to implement an event-based system

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jduggan:

nice

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_ben:

needs slower dimming :p

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jduggan:

problem i have with that

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jduggan:

is i wont always want to dim the lights

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jduggan:

so personally id reserve a button to switch on/off

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mzb:

I have a switch on the wall that allows for "override"

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mzb:

and motion sensors as well (tertiary)

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mzb:

the "on" switch also toggles lock/unlock of the wall-switch setting

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jduggan:

motion sensors? nice

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justinh:

you could've at least tidied up first :P

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jduggan:

haha i was thinking that

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jduggan:

:

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jduggan:

P

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_ben:

what do you use for a front end?

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mzb:

I've got 3 attached to an X10-capable alarm system for which an X10 powerline transformer was never sold here. I bought a US version and swapped the transformers.

[11:27:14]

justinh:

the heatpipe looked a bit hot in that clip ;-)

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mzb:

meh ... working on the stove at the moment ... it blew up last night ... so you're lucky even to see the floor ;)

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gbee:

I can just imagine it now, you press play just as wife/girlfriend/other walks into the room .... crashing sound and cursing ... lights fade up to find SO face first in the carpet having tripped over in the dark

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mzb:

that's only one bar out of three on the heater (800W each x3 ++ a fan heater) ... 3.5kW total

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justinh:

I'm one to talk. My computer/music room is a bomb site

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mzb:

hehe @gbee

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mzb:

the other 6 motion sensors are from the US with a modifed TM-751

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mzb:

so 9 in total so far

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mzb:

movement + lighting logic is rather interesting to programme with only 16 flags, 16 counters and 16 timers ;)

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mzb:

(also having irrigation, heating, cooling, .... etc)

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mzb:

ps: I can also control all this from a keychain remote ...inc "next song" for the music videos ... so there's a fair amount of room for control options ;)

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justinh:

X10-colonix modules?

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justinh:

or *garden* irrigation

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justinh:

lol

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mzb:

X10-mind-readers are the next option ... ie: ${WOMAN} wants to visit the smallest room without turning the lights on ... hmmm ... hard to anticipate with programming alone ;)

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mzb:

yes, garden irrigation with rain sensor ( 0.99 cents!! )

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mzb:

bought most of this stuff really cheap

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jduggan:

we have these 16port sensorprobe units in work, they do all sorts of sensors, we use them for water, heat + humidity but they do light/airflow/motion aswell, and not expensive

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jduggan:

you can poll them via snmp

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justinh:

give her jewelry with RFID tag inside (don't tell her). that way when she wanders from room to room leaving lights on everywhere she's been you can save the planet

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mzb:

ah ... and I thought her carrying her mobile would be easier ;)

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jduggan:

and even set some of the ports as contacts to some homemade device

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jduggan:

with rj45

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jduggan:

and set triggers

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justinh:

who makes them jduggan ?

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jduggan:

akcp

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mzb:

I've wired up 5 doors so far with concealed reed switches and I've got an old parallel port I/O card I intend to use with them (along with other stuff)

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jduggan:

we use them for temperature probes in the datacentre and also water probes around the aircon valves and joints

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justinh:

not expensive eh?

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mzb:

got a circuit so that I can combine the card and the alarm without interference

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jduggan:

justinh, well they do various models :)

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justinh:

http://www.openxtra.co.uk/sensorprobe8

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jduggan:

8ports for 1000quid

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justinh:

!

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mzb:

don't tell me how much ... I hate to thin/..... too late

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justinh:

more fun to hack an openwrt router & muck about with USB/onewire modules

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justinh:

not to mention WAY cheaper :)

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jduggan:

hehe

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mzb:

I haven't wired the whole house, mind you

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mzb:

USB/onewire ?

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justinh:

guy at work is doing that. following his progress closely

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jduggan:

i want to do a homebrew alarm system

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justinh:

he was all 'mythtv sucks, wah' til he tried MCE a while back

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** mzb has a number of openwrt routers in use **

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jduggan:

even if i just get an SMS or video feed

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justinh:

jduggan: it's all cheap enough now you don't need to

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jduggan:

justinh, i havent researched it enough, but id like to be able to trigger external scripts etc when events happen

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mzb:

yeah, I got *given* a GE Interlogix Simon 3 (talking + phone access + X10) ... I'm sure you'd get something better for actual $ ;)

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justinh:

personally the only photo I want to see of somebody breaking into my house would feature a trapdoor opening & impaling the c*** on spikes

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mzb:

jduggan, external events like motion sensors?

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jduggan:

mzb, yea

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mzb:

with this system, as it's X10 capable, you just allocate an X10 house/unit code to each sensor and it sends the signal ... my computer takes care of the rest

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justinh:

*usable* CCTV needs either a) 24/7 operator/ motion sensor network controlling PTZ cameras or b) megapixel res cameras. Both options need serious night time illumination

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mzb:

I'd bet that there are better alternative available, though (than the Simon3)

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jduggan:

yea im not paying for redcare on this

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jduggan:

:P

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justinh:

and *not* IR illumination either if you want it to be any use for say, finding out what colours were really there

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jduggan:

yea our whole datacenter is ir illuminated cctv, theyre pretty poor in the dark

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mzb:

I've got a box of USB webcam with the IR filters removed for that purpose ... you get what you pay for, but I hope that it'll work well enough for what I want

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jduggan:

its all homebrew (ish), 32 cameras in 2x euresys picolo 16port cards

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mzb:

(and a $50 experiment is probably worth the effort)

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mzb:

32!

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** mzb feels slightly less insane ;) **

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jduggan:

yea its covering about 120racks of kit, to

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jduggan:

and no watermarking on the video

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mzb:

ok ... so before I get further distracted by local events, is the dimming "thing" a fair idea?

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jduggan:

so it cant even be submitted to court (apparently)

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jduggan:

im not clear on the laws

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jduggan:

but i believe video must be watermarked to prove it wasnt tampered or somesuch

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mzb:

(in spite of the dimming being too fast for some, and there being too much mess in the room ;)

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jduggan:

mzb, seems fine to me =]

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mzb:

thx jd

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justinh:

jduggan: CPS isn't interested in CCTV evidence for all but the most major of cases anyway

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justinh:

so if you get burgled, chances are any CCTV images won't be used

[11:47:00]

jduggan:

given the nature of kit we have

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jduggan:

police/nhs/banking

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mzb:

${WOMAN} has been watching tv in bed of late, so I've not been able to impress here with it much ... system only works when it's "dark" (set at sunset minus 30 minutes;)

[11:47:18]

jduggan:

i think they would use it

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mzb:

s/here/her

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jduggan:

but then maybe this watermark thing would cause problems ;P

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justinh:

jduggan: yeah depends on the value/severity

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mzb:

for me, a picture of the crim means I know who to send the BOYZ after ;)

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justinh:

cos for it to be used for evidence purposes it has to be proven to be forensically sound

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jduggan:

yea

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mzb:

stuff the law ... they're always going to find an excuse to get out of it ... at every level

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justinh:

the DVRs we make watermark every image with an encrypted doodah unique to every machine & indeed every picture

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justinh:

indelible

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justinh:

which is why using generic MPEG for CCTV purposes is a bit pointless. You can't watermark it in such a way that it couldn't be changed

[11:50:07]

mzb:

cricket bats and shot guns

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mzb:

vs

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mzb:

kneecaps

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mzb:

problem solved

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jduggan:

for residential cctv sure

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jduggan:

but when youre doing it in a multimillion pound `compound`

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jduggan:

its a bit of a cheap approach

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jduggan:

:p

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justinh:

jduggan: you know that securitas robbery? our CCTV gear. Installer set the framerate on the cash counting area cameras to 1PPS

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mzb:

in that case s/cricket bat/stainless steel truncheon/ ;)

[11:51:55]

jduggan:

justinh, heh

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justinh:

one frame a table is clear. next frame there's a big F.O. hammer. next frame it's clear again

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mzb:

PPS?

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justinh:

and too wide angle a lens on the loading bay camera, meaning that PAL recoding meant the number plate couldn't be resolved

[11:52:45]

justinh:

pics per sec

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mzb:

uh

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justinh:

storage time is everything to these muppets

[11:53:05]

mzb:

sounds a bit slow

[11:53:21]

justinh:

mzb: duh yeah :)

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mzb:

:)

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jduggan:

MOAR storage

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jduggan:

:P

[11:53:51]

mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

customers are now wanting more & more storage to cover themselves

[11:54:25]

justinh:

not so much against crime – more to protect themselves from litigation

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mzb:

I've got a local "alarm" installer talking to me occasionally about DVR's ... and he talks about 250GB drives ... *sigh*

[11:55:01]

justinh:

e.g. shopping centres & public spaces keeping footage to disprove injury claims etc

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mzb:

I've demonstrated it to him big time by building him a mythbox with (his own) 250GB drive

[11:55:46]

jduggan:

mzb, hah

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justinh:

one area where the customer really does want high framerate recording.. airports & casinos :P

[11:56:06]

jduggan:

ive recently hit the issue of small drives now im recording HD content

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mzb:

even worse since he asked for an upgrade to a dual tuner ;)

[11:56:29]

justinh:

we had one customer buy as many DVRs as he had cameras just so he could get 25PPS per camera

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jduggan:

320gb in raid 1 was fine for SD.... but man last night i ended up with 13gb free

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mzb:

(ps: justinh, this is an M10K btw ;)

[11:57:02]

justinh:

mzb: I know, I know. You did all the legwork, killed livestock etc & it 'just works'

[11:57:08]

jduggan:

justinh, surprised these dvrs arent coming equippeed to link to an external storage array

[11:57:12]

jduggan:

-e

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mzb:

yep ... lots of sacrificial lambs involved ;)

[11:57:27]

justinh:

jduggan: our CEO didn't believe in the concept of external storage really

[11:57:46]

justinh:

and when he did, we had SCSI. we dumped that without any realistic replacement

[11:57:53]

justinh:

no SAS, not even USB

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jduggan:

justinh, from a business point of view you'll make more selling another DVR box, but one day someone will do it

[11:58:15]

jduggan:

iscsi attached or something

[11:58:24]

justinh:

nah from a biz point of view we can make more money selling network storage I reckon

[11:58:28]

justinh:

more profitable

[11:58:47]

justinh:

margins on the DVR kit aren't as high

[11:59:01]

mzb:

or when WAN/MAN network is cheap enough you can give the drives up completely ;)

[11:59:08]

jduggan:

yea you can get deals with people like dell and rebrand their arrays

[11:59:16]

jduggan:

make a fortune on an array and not have to do the legwork

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justinh:

jduggan: god no, not with our CEO

[11:59:30]

justinh:

has to be HIS idea

[11:59:34]

jduggan:

lol

[11:59:45]

justinh:

he dreamt up this 2U box which holds FIVE sata disks

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justinh:

FIVE

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justinh:

!

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mzb:

speaking of which, my monthly bandwidth allowance has just doubled ... nice :)

[12:00:11]

justinh:

all mounted flat, with ducted cooling & dedicated fan per disk. utterly retarded

[12:00:22]

mzb:

(naked ADSL _or_ FTTH can't be that far away now;)

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

plan was to use SATA out of band signalling to control the fans & read the unit status. til we found out the SiL controller was another SiL PoS

[12:01:16]

jduggan:

mzb, i dont get an allowance, i just get throttled for the evening if i use x GB between 7-midnight

[12:01:22]

jduggan:

or something like that

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justinh:

oh and the HDDs are swappable. get this. With the unit powered up, you slide the drawer out & unclip the HDD

[12:01:37]

justinh:

you MOVE the disks when they're powered up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jduggan:

i dont care enough to remember

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mzb:

opposite sides of the planet? ;)

[12:01:44]

jduggan:

LOL

[12:01:54]

jduggan:

in a caddie? is this a new concept to him?

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justinh:

caddies? they're for golfing man

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justinh:

;-)

[12:02:19]

jduggan:

or caddy

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jduggan:

whatever the spelling is :)

[12:02:38]

jduggan:

mzb, didnt you guys just get a new undersea cable

[12:02:42]

justinh:

we all pitched in design ideas. all rejected

[12:02:44]

mzb:

yep

[12:02:52]

mzb:

hence the double allowance

[12:03:06]

mzb:

through Guam iirc

[12:03:12]

jduggan:

yea

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justinh:

most hinged around 3U with vertically oriented disks on hotswappable caddies & load controlled cooling. Oh no

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** mzb remains plugged in while he walks to the beer fridge **

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mzb:

(hotplugging not required) ;)

[12:03:45]

justinh:

the guy is an idiot & our jobs are all in his hands. hey ho. Same old story wherever there's a PHB

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jduggan:

yea

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justinh:

around the time we moved there was a very apt Dilbert cartoon about a company moving premises

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mzb:

*got* to get used to these lights turning on ;)

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justinh:

"five minutes from the CEO's house". We couldn't have made it up

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** mzb remembers to attach the link to the ticket **

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mzb:

hehe ... ah well, I'm sure a few of the devs already know I'm nuts ... at least the rest will know now, too ;)

[12:11:02]

mzb:

ps the dim is not as severe as the video might suggest. Level starts at "comfort" and dims to "low" ... it's just that the camera exaggerates the transition.

[12:11:22]

mzb:

ie: low != off

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mzb:

may be I should have used higher levels for the demo ;)

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justinh:

time to go buy some lunchies

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mzb:

ooh .. Bathurst means I've (only) been using mythtv for 2 years ... still, it's an anniversary of sorts ;)

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** jduggan doesnt get it **

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mzb:

watching an 8hr race "live" without adds (0.95% playback + smokos ;))

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mzb:

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/bathurst1000/

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jduggan:

ah

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mzb:

but this time ${WOMAN}'s netball gets recorded at the same time (in HD iirc)

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jduggan:

looks like what we call touring cars

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jduggan:

although they dont have v8 engines

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jduggan:

;P

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jduggan:

usually 2.0 turbo iirc

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mzb:

yeah, they got banned here ;)

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mzb:

s/:)/:(

[12:28:25]

mzb:

the Nissan GTR had a lot to do with that

[12:29:37]

mzb:

but Bathurst is good to watch regardless of the stupid rules to keep out real competition ;)

[12:30:49]

justinh:

wow. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8295387.stm

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mzb:

and it's a hard habit to break ... I've watched Bathurst live since I was ... well ... let's say it was decades ago ;)

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jduggan:

i get in and out of racing

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jduggan:

i watch the f1 alot and touring cars

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jduggan:

but i can go a season and not be bothered by it

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justinh:

usable pictures taken from 26 miles away. wtf!

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mzb:

composite, but still ... huge distance

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jduggan:

A similar system to Raptor was used on a flight over Southampton, during which the jet's camera was able to zoom in on the Big Ben clock tower in London.

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jduggan:

jesus

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justinh:

must need a bitch of a DSP to pull that out

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mzb:

10K camera, 5.99M dsp? ;)

[12:37:58]

justinh:

ha-ha "Millions of people love Torchwood and would probably pay 10 bucks an episode rather than two bucks,"

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sid3windr:

so

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sid3windr:

do you really write "sais" in english?

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justinh:

$10 an episode? get bent, BBC Worldwide

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sid3windr:

I guess not, as in the next line it's "says" again.

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sid3windr:

you don't need to be able to spell to work at BBC! :)

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justinh:

hmm more than the price of a cinema ticket to watch something at home over the internets on a much, much smaller screen. Wonder what planet these execs live on

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henkpoley:

Meh I'm seeing tearing on mythtv playback (DVB-C MPEG2, SD content)

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justinh:

fix the intel video driver :)

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henkpoley:

OpenGL vsync is enabled in mythfrontend

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henkpoley:

justinh: me ? I have an nVidia 6150

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justinh:

with vdpau? AFAIK you need that disabled

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justinh:

ah

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henkpoley:

6150 does not do VDPAU

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sid3windr:

justinh: I'm sure millions of people would pay $10 per episode.

[12:43:25]

justinh:

sure :)

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sid3windr:

as I see it, that's only 10/millions per person!

[12:43:48]

sid3windr:

even at one million people, one pound could get you a hell of a lot of episodes :>

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henkpoley:

I bet I'll just 'force' XV vsync enabled in nvidia-settings

[12:44:42]

henkpoley:

But some kind of playback debug output from the frontend would be nice

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justinh:

welcome to the world of video playback on computers at refresh rates not compatible with TV

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

vsync on my intel powered laptop is non-existent, even in Windows :(

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justinh:

everything tears

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henkpoley:

Just forced my card to 50Hz (PAL), assumed some of the problem was it choosing a higher-is-better-60Hz

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henkpoley:

Heh, the frontend doesn;t like it if you switch vsync settings in the nvidia driver mid playback ;-)

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henkpoley:

Next thing, get my remote working again

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henkpoley:

Probably Xorg doesn't grab the data of the "keyboard" the card exposes

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justinh:

hmm. some of these new themes are giving me mixed feelings about the use of transparency over artwork backgrounds

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justinh:

ENOTENOUGHCONTRAST

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simonckenyon:

could not agree more

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simonckenyon:

nvidia not developing chipsets any more

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simonckenyon:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353939,00.asp

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mag0o:

i know what you mean justinh, im making one and trying to ensure readability instead of pretty

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mag0o:

well, some pretty, but readability is top priority

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henkpoley:

Ah, apparently /dev/event/eventX isn't there anymore... I wonder where the saa7134 driver leaves the keypresses now

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gbee:

justinh: I share that concern which is why I don't see myself making much use of fullscreen backgrounds in any theme I create, don't think they really work that well in Terra although I have allowed for it to be enabled easily

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gbee:

think whatever I do next will use vignettes or less than full size fanart

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mag0o:

well, im still getting the "QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure" with the 222304 and disabled threading, but it is only crashing/dumping randomly

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mag0o:

had to ctrl+c gdm to get it to dump

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mag0o:

oops gdb

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mag0o:

Captain_Murdoch: i can't get mythfrontend to crash using Terra, so I'd be willing to say it is the theme i'm working on

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simon___:

hi, I'm using ubuntu and want to buy a tv card to watch and record tv programs :). can anyone help me what product I can buy so it is supportet under linux?

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simon___:

:)

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gbee:

mag0o: still a code bug, a theme shouldn't be able to crash the frontend

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gbee:

so don't go throwing away your theme

[14:23:28]

gbee:

we just need to know what theme you are using because it makes it easier to reproduce and understand the bug

[14:23:30]

mag0o:

i did attach all of the requested info to the ticket as requested, but that's not to say my theme isn't bad

[14:23:33]

mag0o:

:)

[14:24:20]

mag0o:

im not trashing it, but it gives me good reason to go over it again and see what i did

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simon___:

can anyone provide me with a list of recommended hardware?

[14:24:48]

simon___:

:)

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mag0o:

simon___: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recommended_Hardware

[14:25:43]

iamlindoro:

mag0o, Nothing you do in your theme should be capable of causing the crash

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simon___:

mag thank you!!

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, that is to say, he wants to see it to solve the issue, you shouldn't need to change the theme

[14:27:04]

justinh:

using backgrounds/transparency is fine if you make sure there's enough contrast to ensure readability IMHO

[14:27:49]

justinh:

but grey text on a translucent black background over bright colours.. hrmph

[14:27:55]

mag0o:

oh yes, i completely understand that – i guess it may be worth noting that i also no longer see the plot on mythvideo gallery view

[14:28:05]

mag0o:

and i don't remmeber moving that around

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justinh:

didn't take me long to lose the plot when I was theming either ;-)

[14:28:52]

mag0o:

but the data is still there as i can se eit with I > video info > full plot (or whatever the exact path is)

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gbee:

mag0o: check that it's called 'description' and not plot, we renamed a few things to be the same in all screens

[14:29:27]

** mag0o kicks self again for skimming over commits, and welcomes you guys to kick me too :) **

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** iamlindoro kicks mag0o **

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mag0o:

that would be it

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, That's not the only one that changed, nor the only screen, either, so be sure to check those commits

[14:30:16]

justinh:

bah it's easy to miss stuff even when you're an avid reader

[14:30:42]

justinh:

from now on, whoever commits a UI change should make scripts to fix all themes :-P

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mag0o:

lol

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justinh:

oh wait, that might include me again one day. sod that

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simon___:

if my laptop has an ati graphic card, is this a problem?

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simon___:

for using mythtv?

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gbee:

a changelog specifically for UI changes might be a good thing

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gbee:

simon___: no

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simon___:

cool :)

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gbee:

simon___: as long as there are working drivers which include XV (xvideo) support

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simon___:

gbee: I have ubuntu linux...

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Captain_Murdoch:

mag0o, so just to confirm, do you have any issues when running Terra, or do the lock and segfaults only occur with your theme? I downloaded it and will take a look, but want to verify what I'm looking for.

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mag0o:

Captain_Murdoch: only with my theme, I can go in and out of mythvideo (gallery) just fine using Terra

[14:41:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

and no lock messages either?

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mag0o:

correct

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justinh:

that'd be worrying. as others have no doubt said already at worst it should fall back to default xml

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mag0o:

want a frontend log using terra?

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, that's ok.

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mag0o:

k

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Captain_Murdoch:

just wanted to verify that there were no issues in terra, so I could insert some debug and see where they pop up in your theme to try to track down the problem.

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henkpoley:

Can mythfrontend nowadays listen to key events like "KEY_VOLUMEUP", instead of only KEY_UP, KEY_P(etc.)

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justinh:

are there keys known as KEY_VOLUMEUP ?

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henkpoley:

0x0025 = 115 # KEY_VOLUMEUP

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justinh:

weirdness

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henkpoley:

115 is the event number for VOLUMEUP

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justinh:

you can try assigning extra keys in mythcontrols

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henkpoley:

0x0025 is the 'raw' value from my keyboard

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henkpoley:

justinh: it used to not work when I tried in 2004 or so

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henkpoley:

Tried around 2006 too (I believe)

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henkpoley:

I wonder where you'd need to add those values

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justinh:

if they're actual valid keys... they would just work I'd think

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justinh:

unless mythcontrols is filtering codes

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justinh:

or unless qt is

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henkpoley:

At least input-utils knows about them

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justinh:

it's down to qt being able to handle them .. or at worst mythcontrols filtering them out

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justinh:

you should be able to add a binding to a function in mythcontrols

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henkpoley:

mythcontrols does not seem to filter, at least not on KP_ or KEY_ values, it seems

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gbee:

QT has support for a raft of media keys, but considering there is no standard you still need to remap some using xmodmap

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gbee:

and mythcontrols doesn't seem to handle them, that's probably a mythcontrols bug

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henkpoley:

or input-utils, directly into the kernel, like I do to replace them with normal abc-keys that myth knows.

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justinh:

never seen any merit in those 'multimedia' keyboards

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mkrufky:

lets say theres some patches floating around that say...... enable analog for card X and dont affect any other cards adversely .... would said patch get accepted into 0.22 ?

[15:04:09]

justinh:

mkrufky: nope. feature

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justinh:

not bugfix

[15:04:30]

mkrufky:

actually... bugfix for a feature that SHOULD work but doesnt because mythtv does not comply to the spec

[15:04:45]

mkrufky:

im not kicking and screaming, tho — mythtv ROCKS for me

[15:04:50]

justinh:

you have til tuesday :)

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mkrufky:

(i think analog is for losers — but there are a ton of losers out there)

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henkpoley:

justinh: the remote of my tv-card is hardly a multimedia keyboard ;-)

[15:05:24]

justinh:

I think you'd be more than lucky to get it included either way

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justinh:

mkrufky: anyway you need to talk to an organ grinder, not a monkey ;)

[15:06:37]

mkrufky:

yeah i know

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mkrufky:

its not my patch anyway

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justinh:

but don't hold your breath is all I'm saying :)

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mkrufky:

but it fixes certain cards that received a HIGH volume of complaints in the past few months about not working for mythtv in analog mode, but works in EVERY OTHER app

[15:07:20]

mkrufky:

cough cough .... not to mention any names ....

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janneg:

mkrufky: yes, seen it on devin's blog

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

no offense ... i say a lot, but i really love mythtv

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henkpoley:

mkrufky: mute for saa7134 cards ? ;-)

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janneg:

assuming the patch is ready before 0.22

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justinh:

I thought v4l muting was fixed ages ago

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mkrufky:

janneg: should i send him your way for this?

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mag0o:

am i imagining it, or did mythweb automagically pick my 'movies' recording group when i went to schedule a movie to record?

[15:09:10]

henkpoley:

that's at least something that has never been fixed because "v4l2 should just not mute it when we haven't set the volume"

[15:09:11]

mkrufky:

janneg: he hacked somethign togther and its working .... but i think he wanted to clean it up before submission

[15:09:34]

janneg:

yes, either in in #mythtv or #v4l

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mkrufky:

awesome, thanks janneg

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henkpoley:

justinh: fixed somewhere in the last year? I have been using DVB-C lately

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justinh:

henkpoley: no idea when. before 0.21 I thought

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justinh:

wouldn't know, not being a framegrabber user

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henkpoley:

Ah well, `v4lctl volume 80% && v4lctl volume mute off` in the rc scripts works too ;-)

[15:11:45]

justinh:

but I know I've not seen anybody here with a non-muting sound problem for a while, and before 0.21 they were quite common

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henkpoley:

:-)

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jya:

jcristau: I've repackaged the libvdpau bit so it uses a .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz bit as requested; http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/rel . . . ntu9.diff.gz and http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos/rel . . . .orig.tar.gz

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justinh:

ROFL http://xkcd.com/644/

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clever:

http://xkcd.com/646/

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clever:

laptop sales do increase that:P

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justinh:

I don't link the lame ones

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clever:

ok, then i'll link something mythtv related:P

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clever:

http://www.labnol.org/software/old-linux-comp . . . -baby/10420/

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justinh:

oh god not that again

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

people linking to that were billing it as 'mythtv babysitter'

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clever:

http://hackaday.com/2009/09/08/arduino-crib-rocker/ this one isnt linux based, its using more apropriate hardware

[15:27:51]

clever:

and the 'mythtv babysitter' is likely to wire the kids brain to think cdrom drive == sleep

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clever:

so he is likely to fall asleep every time he tries to put a cd-rom in his pc:P

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justinh:

it'll serve him right. By the time he's old enough cdrom should be well obsolete :P

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clever:

blu-ray uses the same basic mechanism to load disks

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mersault:

My recorded programs have stopped working correctly recently (I hadn't tried to watch recorded TV since last week, when it worked fine). Checking the log on the backend, I see that it's trying to play the wrong mpg file, and no matter which program I try and play, it always tries to play the same (incorrect and non-existent) file. Anyone ever experience this?

[15:30:38]

clever:

mersault: what is the incorrect file?

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mersault:

clever: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1571_20091007190000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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clever:

ah, not what i was suspecting

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mersault:

what do the first 4 digits in that filename represent?

[15:34:31]

clever:

channel id

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clever:

probly channel 571 on tuner 1

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mersault:

hmmm.... interesting

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mersault:

if I renamed my tuners, could I expect this to have happened?

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clever:

nope

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mersault:

okay. now, why would it always be trying to play the same file?

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clever:

it stores the filenames in the 'recorded' table, and renaming tuners wont break it

[15:36:12]

clever:

check your time zone setup

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clever:

run 'date' on the front and backends

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justinh:

mersault: I suspect when you enter the watch recordings screen it's looking for the same file every time

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mersault:

clever, the dates are correct and synced to the same NTP source.

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clever:

mersault: but what about the timezone config?

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clever:

mythtv is sensitive to timezones

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mersault:

America/Toronto

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mersault:

both instances

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clever:

and both show the correct hour?

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mersault:

yup

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justinh:

yawn. must be hometime

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mersault:

justinh, is correct in that it's always trying to play the same file. I've tried to watch several different shows, but in the backend log it always says it's looking for the same file

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clever:

mythfrontend -v network,database

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clever:

watch the logs while you try to play various files

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clever:

(frontend log)

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justinh:

mersault: paste a good amount of log output in a pastebin like mythtv/pastebin.ca

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justinh:

frontend log

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mersault:

alright, gimme a minute to collect the log and paste it

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hednod:

after rebooting my mythtv box the frontend is going blank after cache the theme — how do i manually change the theme to see if my theme is just corrupt?

[15:42:43]

hednod:

the mythfrontend log is not pointing to any problems, short of

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hednod:

2009-10–08 18:35:41.171 The theme (Pear-odyTV-wide) is missing a themeinfo.xml file

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mersault:

justinh, clever, http://pastebin.com/d1354fd35

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mersault:

hednod, you could try just deleting the existing theme cache by removing ~/.mythtv/themecache

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hednod:

tried that already

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mersault:

hmmmm.... you could probably try creating a new user account and launching the frontend there, just to test.

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mersault:

unless you want to go spelunking in mysql.

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hednod:

spelunking it is

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mersault:

good luck!

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hednod:

i hope thats all thats wrong

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hednod:

but i'm not getting any other kind of debugging messages to indicate a problem otherwise

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mersault:

you can launch the frontend with extended debugging

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hednod:

know the syntax?

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mersault:

mythfrontend -v network,database gets you network and database logging, there are other flags

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clever:

mythfrontend -v help

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hednod:

well i removed the theme folder for that theme, enabled full debugguing, and restarted mythfrontend

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hednod:

it finishes caching the theme, then sits at the background image.. no menu loads

[16:00:26]

hednod:

and again mythtvfrontend.log does not show errors to indicate why

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Override_settings

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hednod:

unfortunately that won't help me since i've established its not a theme issue

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hednod:

and since its not out putting any errors

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hednod:

i'm going to have a hell of a time figuring out what is wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: Have you tried 'blue' or 'gant', etc to determine it's not a theme issue?

[16:04:49]

hednod:

i let it go back to the default theme

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hednod:

and it clearly changes themes

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hednod:

but it never loads the mythtv menu

[16:05:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

perhams the theme painter?

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hednod:

if the opengl painter was not working I would think it would not get as far as loading tghe background amd showing me the theme caching status

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: sounds like missing fonts... search the threads for "corefonts"

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mersault:

Anyone have any idea as to why my frontend/backend keeps looking for the same (non-existent) file no matter which recording I try and play?

[16:09:50]

hednod:

J-e-f-f-A: xorg is finding the fonts from the corefonts package, that doesn'st seem to be it

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j-rod:

fuckit.

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wagnerrp:

this might interest some people... lenovo Q700 (E5200/4GB/320GB/slot DVD) for $380

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j-rod:

Broadcom Crystal HD decoder support Coming Soon

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wagnerrp:

looks to be about 2" wider than a mac mini

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Greek-Boy:

Which lirc driver to I select during installation for an HD PVR? I have already run the patches...

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: Then I'm out of ideas...

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hednod:

J-e-f-f-A: me too, for now. I'll strace it if have to catch what its last actions were before it hung, but not now.

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janneg:

j-rod: anything official yet? or still waiting for broadcom?

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J-e-f-f-A:

hednod: what changed before the reboot?

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gbee:

j-rod: meh, old news

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gbee:

:p

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resno:

i was talking wagnerrp last night, and wanted to make sure i got the concept right. i thought it was possible to have a diskless (no harddrive) frontend, while it boots the os would be run off of ram.

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resno:

i would be using pxelinux.

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: Yes, it's possible, and many folks are doing it... (I am not at this time, but am intrigued by it...)

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: i went to the ubutunu irc and they lead me to installing on hard drive through it.

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: so i just wanted to make sure, i was thinking of everything right

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wagnerrp:

resno: running off ram is a bit more difficult

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: have you checked out the wiki article? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Diskless_Frontend

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wagnerrp:

running off a dedicated NFS directory is very simple

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clever:

ive tried converting a normal livecd to a ram running one

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clever:

without rebooting:P

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clever:

so far, all ive done is royaly screw up the env and had to reboot

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

that's way too much trouble

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mchou:

boot off a usb pen drive

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clever:

nfs boot is fairly simple

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mchou:

no configuration necessary

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clever:

ive even setup 1 laptop to act as a netbooting server, for another laptop

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clever:

so i can run 2 laptops from a single linux hdd

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mchou:

nfs you gotta customize init

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mchou:

total PITA

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wagnerrp:

no you dont

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clever:

i edit one file in the initrd config

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clever:

then it does everything else for me

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wagnerrp:

you just add a couple args to the kernel command line

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wagnerrp:

make sure the kernel is compiled with nfsroot support

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

t/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf

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clever:

MODULES=netboot

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clever:

BOOT=nfs

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clever:

done :P

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clever:

stock ubuntu kernel

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mchou:

dude, dont be daft

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mchou:

what about nfs root init?

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wagnerrp:

what about it, its all taken care of automatically

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clever:

the initrd will contain all the userspace tools needed to mount nfs

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clever:

and a dhcp client

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mchou:

oh lord

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: actually, no i had not thanks for the link

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wagnerrp:

literally, all i have to do is add a few args to the dhcp server, or to the pxelinux config

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mchou:

you guys are being intentionally dense

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wagnerrp:

and it boots

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep

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clever:

and if i use a custom kernel (gentoo in my case) i dont even need a initrd

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mchou:

I'm not talking about _booting_ over nfs

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wagnerrp:

we are

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wagnerrp:

what the hell are you talking about?

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mchou:

I'm talking about initrd and the nfs boot image

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mchou:

all that shit needs to be customized

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wagnerrp:

why?

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wagnerrp:

ive never had to touch either to get nfsboot working

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mchou:

why deal with that crap when you just boot off usb flash?

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clever:

usb drives wear out

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clever:

usb drives arent shared between every frontend

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mchou:

wear out?

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mchou:

wtf?

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clever:

write limits

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mchou:

it's frigging read only

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clever:

you can only rewrite the data so many times before you kill the sector

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mchou:

oh lord

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wagnerrp:

USB drives just die

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clever:

then say goodbye to changing the mysql config or image theme caches :P

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mchou:

which part of RO dont you get?

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wagnerrp:

IME, flash drives die long before they get anywhere near the write limits

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wagnerrp:

even if theyre RO

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mchou:

it's clear to me you guys have NEVER run nfsroot

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clever:

mchou: ive got nfsroot on 4–5 of my systems

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clever:

including my master backend

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mchou:

you dont even understand the the boot image needs customization

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clever:

ubuntu automates all that for me now

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wagnerrp:

so if were not running nfsroot, what exactly are we doing?

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clever:

and ive manualy set everything up with gentoo before

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wagnerrp:

because there sure arent local disks on my machines

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clever:

i often boot linux on my dads work laptop

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resno:

so whats the verdict? or should i just with a disked frontend?

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: Clearly you're booting off of the same cosmic rays that are powering the machine. :D

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you're smoking dope, because you didnt even KNOW what I was referring to

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clever:

without touching the encrypted windows drive

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sphery:

I'm really glad I don't live in the UK. How many days in a row has it been that they've needed to rescan? (Based on getting, "Re: [mythtv-users] Anyone in UK – Don't forget to do your DVB-Tretune today." every day for the last week+)

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jduggan_:

sphery: uh, just once ?

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jduggan_:

afaik

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jduggan_:

not that i use dvb-t personally

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jduggan_:

dvb-s is way more reliable for me :)

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sphery:

jduggan_: Yeah, it was a comment on the fact that the subject hasn't changed and still says, "Don't forget to do your DVB-T retune today."

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sphery:

bad joke

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sid3windr:

where do you want to retune today!

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jamesd__:

can you resan me now?

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Greek-B0y:

iamlindoro: are u around man?

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resno:

would this computer make a good frontend? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetail . . . Combo.262083

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AndrewNC:

why only 500gb? no gpu?

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resno:

AndrewNC its going to be a frontend only

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clever:

for a frontend, even a 10gig drive would be overkill

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jamesd__:

andrewNC why would he even need 500GB for a front end... less would be just as good but only saves a few dollars so why go smaller

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clever:

depending on how you set it up, you may not even need a drive at all

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clever:

though you could always shove the disk into the master and just call it free storage

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resno:

clever: the plan was to move on the master

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clever:

?

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: I'm not a fan of the Intel Graphics... I'd lean towards NVidia.

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resno:

clever: the hd

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clever:

ah

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yfaykya:

What tables does the channel-scanner use and change? I am not able to scan and keep channels (freesat) so I think I will drop these tablesa

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resno:

clever: i guess you cant read my mind ;)

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clever:

yfaykya: mythtv-setup -v database

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yfaykya:

and see if a backend restart recreates them and sorts it. Thanks

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AndrewNC:

ah, frontend, right

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resno:

amd chips are generally cheaper right?

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resno:

do they still run hot?

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AndrewNC:

no, I have a 45w 4850

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AndrewNC:

heatsink is cool to the touch

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AndrewNC:

and fanless

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clever:

AndrewNC: ive got a pentium downstairs

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clever:

fan froze up:P

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clever:

isnt toast, but the fan/heatsink are relatively warm

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gbee:

resno: for the last few years, at least in my experience Intel chips have been the hot ones (go back to the P4s and they doubled as heating for the entire house)

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: was that your Pentium 266? ;-)

[17:44:38]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: no, it was the 133mhz

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clever:

its primarily NAS for mythbackend

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resno:

gbee: really? that hot?

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs hysterically as he was going to say 133... ;-) **

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gbee:

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more AMD users here than Intel

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i was trying to retire it, until i ran out of pata ports

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resno:

amd is a whole nother world to me, so what are good cpu stats for a frontend?

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clever:

then i just shoved the drive wherever it would fit:P

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gbee:

resno: you've heard of the China Syndrome?

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** J-e-f-f-A only has one Intel box – unless you count the wife's mac... **

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resno:

gbee: no

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clever:

gbee: lol, the cpu better not do that

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gbee:

traditionally it referred to the theory that a nuclear reactor in meltdown would burn straight through the planet to China – it's never happened with a reactor, but I'm sure a few Intel processors have made the journey

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resno:

haha

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clever:

ive got an intel based GPU in my celeron box

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resno:

so what is a good amd processor for a frontend?

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resno:

"good"

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kormoc:

A Intel one ;)

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gbee:

4850e – Only they don't make them anymore :(

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gbee:

45W of dual core 2.5Ghz goodness

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resno:

how about an amd procsssor they make ;)

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loki_666_:

hi, is there a way to run a command when mythbackend starts?

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gbee:

beautiful processor

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kormoc:

loki_666_: add it to the init.d script?

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clever:

loki_666_: i think theres an option for that in the area of automatic startup/shutdown

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clever:

scripts to run on startup

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loki_666_:

thanx will check

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resno:

is the amd anthlon x2 5000+ a good processor?

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Dagmar:

The bacon-flavored one is my favorite of those

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Dagmar:

The roquefort one, on the other hand, is complete shite. Stay away from it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: I dunno about the 5000, but I run a 6000 X2 in my backend, and a 4800 on my test backend. ;-)

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jamesd__:

x86 (AuthenticAMD 40F33 family 15 model 67 step 3 clock 2600 MHz)

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jamesd__:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+

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sphery:

resno: the 65W 5000+ (or 5200+) is great

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jamesd__:

works great for me, though its not a frontend...

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sphery:

resno: my favorite is the 45W TDP 240e, 245e, or 250e--which won't be released until the 22nd

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resno:

is the ghz rating accurate when compared to intel?

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restorer:

I'm still running an Opteron 140, overclocked somewhat

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resno:

i remember hearing the ratings arent spot on

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Dagmar:

Unless you're buying quad core phenoms, the _price_ range is the accurate number

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jamesd__:

my mythtv box is a opteron 180

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Dagmar:

All throughout the middle the units that are closest to each other in price are closest in performance

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Dagmar:

The "ghz rating" is as accurate as any ballpark performance estimate will ever be.

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restorer:

oh, my mistake, it's a 144

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Dagmar:

...while simultaneously being just as fucking meaningless as "2.0ghz"

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sphery:

as accurate as guaging a car's speed by the redline on its tachometer :)

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restorer:

but running almost as fast as that 180; I've had it running faster ;)

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resno:

im just trying to get a grip on amd, is that "rating" comparable. ive heard that amd didnt want you gauging that because, the have higher l2 cache or something

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sphery:

resno: the 5000+ will handle HDTV MPEG-2 playback (at least all ATSC HDTV), but will almost definitely not be able to handle high-resolution/high-bitrate H.264 (HD-PVR) decode

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gbee:

resno: the cpu's were recommending are fast enough to decode 1920x1080 h.264 video encoded to the highest standards, which is all that really matters for a frontend

[18:01:18]

sphery:

I have a 5000+ in my dev box

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AndrewNC:

ghz numbers are meaningless now

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: I haven't tried any H.264 or MPEG4 HD recordings on my systems yet to say how well they work with just software decoding... But I plan on using VDPAU decoding myself.

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gbee:

sphery: the 4850e handles BBC HD well, so no reason that the 5000/5200 wouldn't similarly deal with high quality broadcast h.264

[18:02:31]

sphery:

resno: comparing between Intel and AMD is a black art...

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restorer:

speaking of which, is it worth it to me to upgrade my 939 processor and RAM, or would it still be cost-effective to upgrade to another socket (which means motherboard, CPU, and RAM)

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Dagmar:

This is why I look at the price

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sphery:

gbee: oh, good to know... I haven't actually tried it (don't have any such H.264)

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restorer:

especially with regards to mythtv and dual core

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sphery:

Dagmar: +1 price

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AndrewNC:

price and power/heat

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Dagmar:

At the extremea there's variance, but all along the middle if one costs $99 and the other costs $99, they probably put out the same horsepower

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sphery:

Dagmar: actually, I look at TDP, then within that, I look at price (because TDP relates to the "consumables" price)

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gbee:

sphery: not so sure about bluray quality now that I think about it ...

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Dagmar:

Yeah lately I mainly worry about heat and power HONGAREE

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gbee:

in comparison my old Athlon 1.6Ghz single core could do 1080p mpeg2 standing on it's head

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sphery:

gbee: maybe not yet, but as we get mt-decode, etc, it will be fine :)

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sphery:

gbee: Athlon 64 1.6GHz?

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AndrewNC:

sphery: ffmpeg close to release on that?

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gbee:

yeah, Turion too

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AndrewNC:

scaling on vdpau sucks, I'd rather not use it for < 1080

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sphery:

as an Athlon XP 1800+ probably shouldn't have been able to do that

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sphery:

yeah, that would owrk

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gbee:

for a while I was transcoding from h.264 to mpeg2 just so I could watch BBC HD on the laptop

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sphery:

resno: if I were buying today, I'd probably go with the 5000+ or 5200+ or the 240 or 245 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . N=2010340343 50001028 1445932490&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&ActiveSearchResult=True &Order=PRICE

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sphery:

basically, they're all 65W TDP AMD procs. The Regors (240/245) are AM3 and the 5000+ is an AM2+ and the 5200+ is an AM2, so mobo choice may have an effect on decision

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sphery:

usually, you'll either have an AM2 or AM2/AM2+ or AM2+/AM3 mobo

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resno:

sphery: thanks for clarity.

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Dagmar:

If you're buying one now, they're mainly all going to be able to take just about anything

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Dagmar:

AM2+ boards can handle AM3 CPUs

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sphery:

resno: Oh, and you can't really get a 45W TDP AMD proc right now. It seems AMD is holding off on the release until Win7 release day.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eek, sphery is gonna yell at me when I share that my Athlon 64 x2 6000+ CPU is 125W!!!!! (/me ducks)

[18:11:49]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: I have the same in my frontend

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sphery:

bought it before my power company started hiking the price on electricity (back when it was $0.08/kWH)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Oh is that why we can't find anymore chips like the 4850e?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... ;-) I just figured mr "80Plus" and mr "Kill-o-Watt" was gonna yell at me... ;-)

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sphery:

I'm replacing systems

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: My electricity is $0.105/kWH

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sphery:

Dagmar: yep. The 240e/245e/250e (dual-cores) and 6x0e (quad-cores) will likely be released on the 22nd along with a raft of tri-cores (including 45W and 65W ones).

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Dagmar:

Cool

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restorer:

hm, I guess now that it's gotten cooler, I can bump my speed back up to 2.6 or so

[18:13:41]

Dagmar:

I was worrying they had maybe decided to walk away from that market, but I love the two 4850's I have

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Dagmar:

That's a _really_ sneaky stunt to pull

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sphery:

Dagmar: agreed... I bought a 5050e and will never go back.

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sphery:

45W ftw!

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sphery:

and it really runs at a lot less than that--even maxed out

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AndrewNC:

you you folks enable the cpu scaling?

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sphery:

I don't

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AndrewNC:

I had to disable it for IGP and the hvr2250 tuner

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** J-e-f-f-A doesn't. **

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sphery:

but I also (waste money) run(ning) BOINC/SETI@home

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sphery:

which costs me a couple bucks a month per processor

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clever:

in run that some days

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AndyCap:

sphery: but will pay off big time when the aliens come to destroy the earth after we say hello

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AndrewNC:

I should measure the difference with the ol' kill-o-watt

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clever:

AndrewNC: there is a noticable difference between idle and 100% load, and also when changing the cpu freq (when posible)

[18:18:14]

sphery:

AndyCap: I, for one, welcome our Alien overlords!

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J-e-f-f-A:

"All your base are belong to us!" ;-)

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AndyCap:

but if you're concerned about money a 0.0001 powerfactor psu is better than a 0.9999 one. :)

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sphery:

AndrewNC: yeah, my kill-a-watt is what woke me up to how much my computers were costing me

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** J-e-f-f-A still hasn't put his kill-a-watt on his backend.... **

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mersault:

virtualization, ftw

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J-e-f-f-A:

... But his C2D 2200 frontend uses about 45W for SD viewing, and 70W for HD ATSC 720P viewing...

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J-e-f-f-A:

... My son's PS3 uses WAY MORE than that! ;-)

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Dagmar:

Yep

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clever:

my 1.6ghz P4 uses the most power

[18:24:46]

clever:

and makes the most noise

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: how much power does a PS3 really draw?

[18:25:23]

CyberKnet:

I've always wondered what my computer being on all the time costs me, but never enough to spend the $20 to find out.

[18:25:23]

AndyCap:

0.2 killawatts?

[18:25:25]

sphery:

Yeah, the Ez-Bake architecture used by the P4 chips was quite power hungry

[18:25:35]

clever:

AndrewNC: 1.21 jigawatts? :P

[18:25:42]

sphery:

but it cooks a mean mini-cake :)

[18:25:57]

AndrewNC:

CyberKnet: a lot of libraries have a kill-o-watt for checkout

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clever:

sphery: i should try that some time:P

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AndyCap:

ooh, maybe it's my extended ps3 usage that accounts for the spike for august

[18:26:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I didn't put the kill-o-watt on it directly yet, but a 400W power inverter in my truck wouldn't even turn it on...

[18:26:21]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: whoa

[18:26:33]

CyberKnet:

AndrewNC: I would never have thought of that.

[18:26:33]

sphery:

AndyCap: gotta get a PS3 Slim

[18:26:33]

AndrewNC:

i think my frontend is about 150$ a year

[18:26:33]

sphery:

(or whatever they're calling it)

[18:26:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: It's my understanding it's around 300W

[18:26:38]

sphery:

AndyCap: you can give me your old PS3 :)

[18:26:42]

AndyCap:

well, it runs hotter than my projector so I wouldn't be surprised.

[18:26:43]

AndrewNC:

CyberKnet: should be obvious, libraries = hippies = green = too cheap to buy their own

[18:26:47]

AndyCap:

sphery: hah, you wish.

[18:26:54]

CyberKnet:

AndrewNC: lol

[18:27:07]

sphery:

AndyCap: just trying to save you some money

[18:27:23]

mchou:

AndrewNC: bah, the power co. should let people check them out

[18:27:41]

mchou:

AndrewNC: hippies or no hippies

[18:27:57]

AndrewNC:

mchou: they do, but only in your aggregate monthly billing

[18:28:11]

AndrewNC:

you gotta pay 20$ if you want appliance level metering

[18:28:12]

clever:

loading my spreadsheet...

[18:28:32]

CyberKnet:

heh heh heh

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AndyCap:

hm, must be something else too.

[18:28:40]

AndrewNC:

I discovered my radio alarm clock doesn't draw enough to even be detected by the kill-o-watt

[18:28:48]

AndrewNC:

and an external firewire HD is about 10w

[18:29:00]

clever:

AndrewNC: same for my dvd player/speaker amp, when its off

[18:29:07]

AndyCap:

and an 800W psu is overkill :)

[18:29:10]

jimbolaya:

Hello all. After extensive looking around and finding the question often asked, but never (so far) answered, or finding documentation saying it can't be done (or any saying how to do it), how do I stream outside of an ssl protected mythweb setup?

[18:29:14]

clever:

almost no standby current

[18:29:22]

AndrewNC:

clever: my next measure after a week long htpc measuremnt is the sony receiver

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clever:

AndrewNC: yeah, mines a sony also

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CyberKnet:

jimbolaya: Oh, I know I've seen that answered.

[18:29:55]

CyberKnet:

jimbolaya: I want to say it is in the MythWeb readme

[18:30:05]

AndrewNC:

clever: I'm writing a lib to control rs232 enabled sony receivers

[18:30:10]

CyberKnet:

or the sample lighttpd / apache config files

[18:30:11]

clever:

ok, $13.94/month for the dehumidifier

[18:30:17]

AndrewNC:

if yours has a rs232 port

[18:30:18]

mchou:

AndrewNC: actually, Ijust checked my library....They have meters given to them by the power co.

[18:30:24]

clever:

$11.26/month for the P4 oven

[18:30:34]

AndyCap:

AndrewNC: what kind of lib?

[18:30:35]

clever:

$5.85/month for the deep freezer

[18:30:41]

AndrewNC:

mchou: I knew those librarians and big power were in kahoots

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clever:

$6.37 for the acer (2.9ghz celeron)

[18:30:57]

jimbolaya:

CyberKnet: Hrm. There's stuff to set up streaming outside of password protection. I guess the real question is what's the minimum I have to have in the non-SSL virtual host to make streaming work?

[18:31:06]

clever:

nearly everything else is under $5/month

[18:31:14]

mchou:

AndrewNC: nah, I think the power co just figured that's easiest for them to distribute

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AndrewNC:

AndyCap: linux lib, I plan to write a cmd line front end and also an alsa plugin to intercept volume cmds sent to a SPDIF port

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CyberKnet:

jimbolaya: I'm sure I saw something in there about streaming outside of SSL

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Isn't that in one of those files?

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clever:

AndrewNC: nice, mines a dav-hdx466

[18:32:15]

AndrewNC:

clever: does it have a serial port on the back?

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kormoc:

we have force non-ssl for streaming, aye

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CyberKnet:

Hmmm... I'll have to call my library to ask – searching there website shows no hits

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clever:

AndrewNC: dont think i saw one, but its burried too much to check

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: It's documented in the readme or something, isn't it?

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AndrewNC:

I think they tend to only put them on the high end ones for integration, my da7-es was a hand-me-down (free!)

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AndyCap:

don't remember what sonys have it. just that the bastards have rs232 on us models and not european

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AndyCap:

so the 2400 one in us has and the european one does not

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AndrewNC:

interesting

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AndyCap:

sony got stricken from the list of elegible recivers for pulling stuff like that

[18:33:51]

AndyCap:

:)

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clever:

AndrewNC: http://stw.ryerson.ca/~j2nglee/Picture%20002.jpg

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: the release PS3 is just under 200W at full load

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AndrewNC:

I was talking to someone in here the other day about a hdmi CEC homebrew

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wagnerrp:

the new Slims fall well under 100W

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_ben:

crikey

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AndrewNC:

nice box

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clever:

AndrewNC: there is some kind of expansion port for attaching a range of things

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... still pretty high... I wonder why it didn't like my 400W power inverter... tried it with a 300W and it didn't work either... Must not like the sudo-sine-wave output from a car DC->AC power inverter...

[18:35:46]

clever:

AndrewNC: one addon was some special input for linking it directly to a pc, and another was for wireless speakers

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I've heard that the ps3 slim doesn't play many (if any?) PS2 games, but the original one does...

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: none

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: no idea, it has a switched mode power supply, so it should work just fine with a square wave

[18:36:58]

wagnerrp:

right the slim has no backwards compatibility

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AndrewNC:

clever: might be the s-link, which is different

[18:37:11]

wagnerrp:

of course the last couple generations of PS3 have not had it either

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: and the original model is several, not sure if the last US fat had it

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j-rod:

narf. scrollback buffer too small, whoever said something to me, I missed it...

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AndrewNC:

I dunno if they are still using rs232 on hdmi generation stuff

[18:37:35]

wagnerrp:

the original model had full compatibility

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: "full" :P

[18:37:53]

AndyCap:

AndrewNC: Custom Installers will want rs232 still.

[18:38:06]

AndyCap:

the whole cloak and dagger industry.

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wagnerrp:

the second and maybe third revs had partial compatibility, where the graphics chip was there but the EE was emulated

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, they had nothing

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AndrewNC:

AndyCap: yeah, it definitely seems that way

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no... full, they actually had most of a PS2 soldered onto the side of the mainboard

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: "full" :-) it had the parts but not the soul, so not everything worked

[18:39:56]

wagnerrp:

the only major thing i heard that didnt work was you could not connect the PS2 guitar hero guitar to the PS3

[18:40:03]

wagnerrp:

because it didnt have the little power button

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sphery:

but now with the PS3 Slim, they're making a lot of the PS2 games available for download (even though it lacks PS2 compatiblity)

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AndrewNC:

they emulate right?

[18:41:12]

sphery:

kind of like MS's backwards-compatible (ports) of XBox games for XBox 360

[18:41:16]

AndyCap:

sphery: hmm, that would be nice. only seen PS1 mostly now.

[18:41:31]

AndyCap:

which incidentally is epic fail if you have 1080i support enabled in the settings.

[18:41:32]

sphery:

yeah, starting with PS1, then going to PS2, I guess

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AndyCap:

oh, and some psp/ps3 games.

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sphery:

Though you PS3 owners need to start a letter-writing campaign to convince Sony to give previous owners of the PS2 games a steep discount on the downloaded one

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mchou:

sphery: stop joking around

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wagnerrp:

theyre not already at a steep discount, being 5–10yr old games and all?

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AndyCap:

sphery: Or just accept the steep discount on ps2 machines. :)

[18:43:02]

AndyCap:

which are a bargain, and there's still new titles for it.

[18:43:45]

AndyCap:

oh well, when are Konami going to release a DSM/DDR for PS3

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sphery:

wagnerrp: even so, those who have previously purchased them should get a discount of the discounted price :)

[18:44:25]

sphery:

though AndyCap's solution is probably the cheapest

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AndyCap:

and of course, you don't get to boot linux on your ps3 slim so bye bye mythfrontend for the weirdos who wanted that. :P

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sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, but it wasn't really Linux--too much reliant on sony's distro and not enough hardware access

[18:45:45]

sphery:

I'm glad they took out that part--and I'm a huge fan of GNU/Linux

[18:45:52]

wagnerrp:

you could run ppc builds of other distros on it

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AndyCap:

sphery: fedora ran fine.

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AndyCap:

but hardware access is a biggie.

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AndyCap:

who cares about a lame PPC running linux. :)

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sphery:

I thought it only did Yellow Dog

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AndyCap:

sphery: nope

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sphery:

heh, I like PPC

[18:46:35]

AndyCap:

sphery: well, you probably have a decent ppc

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wagnerrp:

sphery: there are guides for installation of several different distros

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** J-e-f-f-A liked PPC too, but could never afford one for his Amiga... :-( **

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sphery:

ah... still, the hardware was all locked up, so...

[18:47:08]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to a single, stripped, dual execute core

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AndyCap:

NOOOO! the slim could fit in one unit of my shelf instead of hacking it

[18:47:50]

wagnerrp:

was the hardware even locked up? or was it really just the RAMBUS interface to the GPU?

[18:47:52]

AndyCap:

it being just 29cm wide. Anyone still want to trade? :P

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j-rod:

sphery: yeah, we actually have PS3's in house here to make *sure* Fedora ran on PS3

[18:48:37]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, there was an api for the cell at least, don't know about gfx. and there still is a hypervisor underneath?

[18:48:39]

wagnerrp:

i was under the impression it was just RAMBUS not wanting to relinquish control

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j-rod:

of course, as of Fedora 13, ppc won't be built as a primary arch anymore

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AndyCap:

j-rod: and, when it wasn't testing the latest release? :)

[18:49:24]

j-rod:

AndyCap: its "well utilized". :)

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AndyCap:

heh

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sphery:

j-rod: guess that means IBM will be pushing Novell/SUSE?

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AndyCap:

j-rod: what about s390x? :)

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AndyCap:

(also a rather underwhelming experience)

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wagnerrp:

are they dropping support for PPC? or all of POWER?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: what is the difference?

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AndyCap:

are there any non-ppc power arch machines?

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wagnerrp:

PPCs are the same basic architecture as the POWER4s

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wagnerrp:

but there were still a lot of differences between them, and there have been three new architectures since then

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AndyCap:

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/software/linux/ Both Red Hat and Novell SUSE... So the marketing department hasn't gotten the message yet.

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sphery:

well, F13 is a ways off still

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AndyCap:

and that's not red hat.

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sphery:

though it's possible RHEL will still be doing power stuff for a long time

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AndyCap:

may contain forward looking statements and traces of nuts.

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Dagmar:

Nuts may have once existed near where this food product was packaged.

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AndyCap:

well, back to doing something useful for society and seeing if I can get this HID emulator thing going.

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j-rod:

sphery: nah, ppc is still fully supported in Red Hat Enterprise Linux

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j-rod:

as is s390x

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j-rod:

and fedora for both will still get built

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j-rod:

just not as a primary arch

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j-rod:

so a build failure or some component not working on an arch that 0.1% of users use doesn't hold things up for the other 99.9%

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j-rod:

of course, it means less exposure to endian issues

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AndrewNC:

if RHEL wont compile on my casio wristwatch, no one should have it

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sphery:

ah, makes sense

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jimbolaya:

Is it possible to install mythweather on my Ubuntu backend for mythweb without installing mythtv-frontend?

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mersault:

Anyone here have any ideas why my system keeps trying to play the same file, no matter which recording I try and play?

[19:16:18]

mersault:

The file it keeps looking for doesn't even exist.

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sphery:

jimbolaya: might be easier to run apache on your mythbackend or mythfrontend host and set up your "real" web server to proxy it

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clever:

jimbolaya: apache can also proxy sub-folders

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henkpoley:

Is there a global switch for (disabling) commercial detect ?

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henkpoley:

I once enabled it to see if it was any good here in The Netherlands, but basically I never remember to use it, nor does it work that well

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janneg:

henkpoley: yes, iirc in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Does the actimeo=0 on the TV recordings dirs make a difference in responsiveness, or is it only the $HOME/.mythtv that matters?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think it can make a difference when we generate previews, but we don't normally stat recording files when drawing the screen, so I don't think there's a big impact there.

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** Captain_Murdoch doesn't think we stat recording files when loading their previews, but he's not 100% sure. **

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sphery:

henkpoley: in mythtv-setup, there's "Allow Commercial Detection jobs", but disabling that will just tell that host not to run the jobs, but if your rules specify that flagging should be done, the jobs will still go into (and litter) the queue. "Run commercial flagger" sets the default value used by new recording rules, but won't affect existing rules. While you /could/ change "Commercial Flagger command" to /bin/true so ...

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sphery:

... flagging doesn't do anything, that's an ugly hack and it will be up to /you/ to remember to fix it if you ever want flagging enabled... Best bet is to fix your rules.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Just wondering... If we need to change the info about using actimeo=0, we should probably figure out what to tell Robert. :) http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.10

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sphery:

I don't have a setup where I can test it.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd say that we change the recommendation. We can set it low, but also mention that in the case of LiveTV or watching a recording that just started, it may cause delays since nfs clients my not see the files immediately.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I set mine to 1, and that helped a lot since we're hitting the image cache on disk numerous times every time we load a screen or change the item in a buttonlist, etc..

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's for /home on my diskless clients.

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx WD 1.5 TB for $99 for 10 more minutes

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sphery:

any chance NickF from the list is here?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: puny! ;)

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sphery:

resno: 10.08 15:51:14 < RyeBrye> http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx WD 1.5 TB for $99 for 10 more minutes

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: Not when you buy 10 of them! ;)

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brad2:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: But why buy 10 of them when you can buy 10 2TBs? ;)

[19:52:53]

iamlindoro:

(or 11, in my case)

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brad2:

jesus

[19:53:01]

brad2:

hahaha

[19:53:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: actually, you only need to buy 7 1/2 2TB's

[19:53:14]

brad2:

how many shows do you have capped?!?!

[19:53:18]

mag0o:

ok, either im in the wrong field, or nobody else is married with kids

[19:53:22]

iamlindoro:

brad2: "lots"

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RyeBrye:

I just bought 2

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehe... 2 of your 2TB drives exceeds my current 3.5TB setup... ;-)

[19:53:47]

iamlindoro:

mag0o: No kids means no writing themes for children, either ;)

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sphery:

brad2: doesn't help that he has Blu-Ray rips wasting all his space

[19:53:53]

mag0o:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

s/wasting/enriching/

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henkpoley:

Hmm, mythwelcome now says it is fetching the program guide, does that also apply to EIT ? (my XMLTV source does not appear in the process list)

[19:54:00]

resno:

sphery: thanks :)

[19:54:05]

brad2:

ahh, i've never actually watched a blu-ray vid before

[19:54:07]

brad2:

are they worth it?

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brad2:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Worth it to me

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iamlindoro:

720x480 looks like poo on my 106" inch screen :)

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sphery:

resno: but if you're not ready to buy yet, they have similar deals relatively frequently

[19:55:08]

resno:

sphery: ah, ill wait a bit then.

[19:55:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, the pixels are good, but 20GB for a 2hr movie is a bit(rate) overkill :)

[19:55:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery: 20GB would be small ;)

[19:55:24]

sphery:

really

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RyeBrye:

I'm thinking of using them partially as a backup solution for family photos and crap I would be sad if I lost that is currently just sitting on one HD in an older machine... I was thinking of RAID-1'ing them, but I think I'll just setup some partition on the drive for crap I want to back up and then set up some manual rsync job that runs nightly to back up that crap rather than using RAID-1.

[19:55:31]

sphery:

I thought I was guessing on the high side

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sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

for me--and MPEG-2--2hrs should be 16GB or less (often 12GB)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Some examples: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1604978

[19:56:35]

sphery:

though my ABC station is still using about 3GiB/hr (Fox up'ed theirs, though, from 3GiB/hr to 6GB/hr)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so that's why I saw your name mentioned in the latest quarterly from WD in the profit projections section

[19:57:28]

iamlindoro:

They invite me to all the sales conventions

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

and most of those movies are likely less than 2hrs, right?

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sphery:

probably averaging more like 90mins

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iamlindoro:

meh, who knows, I don't watch that crap, just collect it

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Less than two generall, yeah

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sphery:

hah

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Do you (as an actual NFS user) want to mention the recommendation to Robert (or change the section--whichever is more appropriate)? Thanks. :)

[20:00:37]

jimbolaya:

Could I add a section like this?

[20:00:37]

jimbolaya:

NameVirtualHost *:8080

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jimbolaya:

[20:00:37]

jimbolaya:

ServerAdmin me

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jimbolaya:

############################################################################

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jimbolaya:

# If you intend to use authentication for MythWeb (see below), you will

[20:00:40]

jimbolaya:

# probably also want to uncomment the following rules, which disable

[20:00:42]

jimbolaya:

# authentication for MythWeb's download URLs so you can properly stream

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jimbolaya:

# to media players that don't work with authenticated servers.

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jimbolaya:

#

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jimbolaya:

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jimbolaya:

Allow from all

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iamlindoro:

oy

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jimbolaya:

</LocationMatch>

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jimbolaya:

#

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jimbolaya:

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jimbolaya:

Allow from all

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jimbolaya:

</LocationMatch>

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jimbolaya:

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jimbolaya:

Order allow,deny

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jimbolaya:

Deny from all

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iamlindoro:

jimbolaya: It's really really bad form to paste into the channel.... you need to use pastebin

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sphery:

pastebin!!!

[20:01:08]

jimbolaya:

# Turn on the rewrite engine

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jimbolaya:

RewriteEngine on

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jimbolaya:

# Redirect /pl/ requests to the perl cgi handler.

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jimbolaya:

RewriteRule ^(pl(/.*)?)$ mythweb.pl/$1 [QSA,L]

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jimbolaya:

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jimbolaya:

SetHandler cgi-script

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jimbolaya:

Options +ExecCGI

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jimbolaya:

</Files>

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clever:

yes yes, ive memorized that before:P

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jimbolaya:

</Directory>

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jimbolaya:

Er. sorry. That probably wasn't cool.

[20:01:27]

iamlindoro:

wheeeeeee

[20:01:28]

jimbolaya:

OK. I'll have to figure that out.

[20:01:30]

iamlindoro:

not at all cool

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sphery:

jimbolaya: http://pastebin.ca/

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jimbolaya:

http://pastebin.ca/1605001

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resno:

sphery: .ca? are you cananda?

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Mister:

hello i have installed mythbuntu and mythtv have only a black screen with a recangle

[20:04:37]

wagnerrp:

pastebin.com mangles patches?

[20:04:51]

sphery:

right, just a good pastebin

[20:04:56]

wagnerrp:

it add line numbers or something?

[20:04:57]

Mister is now known as nick_name

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sphery:

and pastebin.org got hacked a while back

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nick_name is now known as nick-name

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sphery:

don't know if it's still broken

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clever:

sphery: i always use privatepaste.com

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Nick-Name:

do someone know the error?

[20:05:58]

wagnerrp:

huh?

[20:06:15]

sphery:

seems pastebin.org is still hacked--based on the NSFW ads

[20:06:15]

wagnerrp:

you just joined, what are you talking about?

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resno:

Nick-Name: does that even make sense

[20:06:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

what error, I.D.10.T ?

[20:06:25]

sphery:

and the full screen popup on first click

[20:06:37]

clever:

sphery: ouch

[20:07:02]

resno:

PC LOAD LETTER!

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sphery:

Nick-Name: you probably have an AMD graphics card, right?

[20:07:19]

sphery:

Nick-Name: is the user formerly known as Mister

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Nick-Name:

so i installed mythbuntu. when i make backend setup i will only see a black screen with a rectangle....and than i have make a reboot, gnome i can see correct but mythbuntu not

[20:07:53]

sphery:

Nick-Name: you probably have an AMD graphics card, right?

[20:07:57]

Nick-Name:

yes mister is a registered nick... not my :)

[20:08:06]

wagnerrp:

that usually indicates using the OpenGL painter, with non-functional OpenGL

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Nick-Name:

7000 ve, yes

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wagnerrp:

if you cannot use opengl, you must use the qt painter

[20:08:29]

resno:

ah, i had that same problem with running on my laptop

[20:08:30]

sphery:

Nick-Name: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164

[20:08:30]

wagnerrp:

until you get into the frontend and change that

[20:08:40]

wagnerrp:

you can force it with '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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sphery:

Nick-Name: need to export those vars for both mythtv-setup /and/ mythfrontend

[20:08:58]

sphery:

wagnerrp: this is probably the video driver bug

[20:09:20]

wagnerrp:

the 7000s are still covered by the fglrx drivers?

[20:09:29]

wagnerrp:

i figured a card that old would have to use the radeon drivers

[20:09:35]

sphery:

broken GL should still show a screen/window with color and/or text (but maybe slowly)

[20:09:36]

Nick-Name:

when i use the driver i, i think it havent a 3d acceleration, then i must installed other grfapic driver

[20:10:06]

sphery:

try the mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt , too

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen Mesa manage to render mythtv

[20:10:23]

sphery:

I've done it

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sphery:

just /very/ slow

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wagnerrp:

i just end up with a crapflood of error messages on the console

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wagnerrp:

of course that may be due to VNC not even loading mesa

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sphery:

I think, technically, the bug that's fixed by those vars is in the Mesa lib and since nvidia doesn't use it, nvidia isn't affected

[20:11:30]

sphery:

but FOSS drivers and Intel and ATI proprietary are

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Nick-Name:

mythtv-setup doesnt work, too

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wagnerrp:

thats because they all use the same drawing libraries

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wagnerrp:

all UIs with mythtv will be similarly affected

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resno:

Nick-Name: as previously stated issue this command from terminal 'mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt'

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sphery:

export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 & export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 & mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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Nick-Name:

resno i have try it

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Nick-Name:

aso without x?

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sphery:

/with/ those vars?

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sphery:

you need X

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wagnerrp:

and you need bash

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sphery:

but: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 & export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 & mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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Nick-Name:

mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt have i try, the same problem

[20:13:33]

wagnerrp:

or some bourne-like shell

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sphery:

Nick-Name: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 & export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 & mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

[20:13:45]

Nick-Name:

i try

[20:16:07]

Nick-Name:

doesnt work, too

[20:16:10]

Nick-Name:

:(

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sphery:

Nick-Name: OK, then: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 & export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 & mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=opengl

[20:18:03]

jimbolaya:

OK. I've figured out why I'm confused.

[20:18:03]

jimbolaya:

I've got both "Force HTTP for streams:" checked and I've set "Force HTTP/HTTPS port for streams:" set to 8080, but the streaming links still have port 8443 set as the port:

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jimbolaya:

http://myhost.org:8443/mythweb/pl/stream/2063/1254988980

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wagnerrp:

8443? not just 443?

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Nick-Name:

ahh it works :)

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Nick-Name:

mhh not realy i see the mian menue, but when i want to configure i thee a screen with black and grey reactangles

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jimbolaya:

Yeah. Thats because I'm running a couple of web servers behind my home firewall. The mythtv box is one of them.

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dustybin:

Micro Man on BBC 4 right now is a cool film about Clive Sinclair

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Nick-Name:

whats wrong? sphery+

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sphery:

Nick-Name: no idea... basically some kind of X/video driver problems

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sphery:

that's as much as I can tell you

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Nick-Name:

how can i use a other drivver? i have read the readon driver should work, where can i fill in? do you know it?

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wagnerrp:

if youre running ubuntu, you should already be running the radeon driver

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu wont use fglrx unless you specifically tell it to, and read some big popup about proprietary drivers

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AndrewNC:

vanilla c == the devil

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Nick-Name:

do mythbuntu not used the mesa driver?

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Dagmar:

hhaahha

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Dagmar:

No.

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Nick-Name:

the old version 7.10 use it, i think

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Dagmar:

Mesa isn't your friend unless you have a lot of spare CPU

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wagnerrp:

Mesa is an opengl library, not a driver

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wagnerrp:

mesa is what gets used when your drivers do not provide their own opengl interface

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Dagmar:

"Mesa: Bringing you the 3D technology of the 80's, today!"

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Nick-Name:

ah ok... than my mistake ;)

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Nick-Name:

so i think mythbuntu wont work for me? :(

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wagnerrp:

it should work just fine, if you continue using the qt painter

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Dagmar:

You might as well buy a TiVO then

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Nick-Name:

how?

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Nick-Name:

sorry i am new in linux ;)

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wagnerrp:

the commands sphery gave you, just that short time ago

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wagnerrp:

oh... the attention span of the young...

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Nick-Name:

with this command i can the the main menü, but when i go in gernal settings i cant the it agong not

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Nick-Name:

again

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wagnerrp:

the problem with ubuntu/mythbuntu is that they wrote wrapper scripts around the normal mythtv functions

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sphery:

he gets the main menu with OpenGL after setting the env vars

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Nick-Name:

sorry i dont understand

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sphery:

he gets only a black square with Qt painter with or without the vars

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wagnerrp:

ah, seems the last set did use opengl

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wagnerrp:

nevermind me

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sphery:

so he has broken video drivers, but I don't know how broken

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sphery:

how meaning "in what way"

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wagnerrp:

you really shouldnt be using 7.10

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wagnerrp:

is that even 0.21?

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wagnerrp:

or still 0.20.2?

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Dagmar:

We covered the "download the latest MythBuntu ISO" thing a few nights ago

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Nick-Name:

no i have the new version, the old version 7.10 works with the ati driver when i right remeber

[20:33:49]

wagnerrp:

honestly, do you need this set up in the very near term?

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Nick-Name:

9.04 i have

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wagnerrp:

i would suggest wait a week

[20:35:07]

wagnerrp:

0.22 should be out early next week, and 9.10 should be out in the near term as well

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Nick-Name:

okay, and than it will work?

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wagnerrp:

if the problem still exists on a 2yr newer version, go to #ubuntu-mythtv, link to that article, and ask them what scripts you need to change to set those variables permanently

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wagnerrp:

youll probably set them in your system profile, your local bashrc, or the wrapper scripts

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wagnerrp:

theyll tell you which one is most proper

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Nick-Name:

ok i understand. so i will hope the newer distri will work :)

[20:38:18]

jimbolaya:

After looking at the page source for the recorded programs page, I think I've figured out the issue.

[20:38:38]

Nick-Name:

can i tests the beta, and when the final is out i can updatet, or sould i wait?

[20:38:49]

wagnerrp:

seems the final release wont be until the end of october...

[20:39:04]

jimbolaya:

Here's the link to the streamed file:

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jimbolaya:

http://myhost.org:8443:8080/mythweb/pl/stream . . . 54960000.asx

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xris:

jimbolaya: you have two ports listed, that's bad

[20:41:32]

jimbolaya:

I come into my home router using https://myhost.org:8443, which gets directed to my myth server, sitting at port 443.

[20:41:50]

jimbolaya:

for some reason, the mythtv scripts don't chop off the trailing port #.

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iamlindoro:

Wow, Hulu Desktop for Linux

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Nick-Name:

so mutch thanks for your wait, i think i wait for 9.10 and hope the best

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Nick-Name:

good night

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iamlindoro:

Cue "how to spawn Hulu Desktop for Linux from the menu" in 3...2...

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Nick-Name:

the first wait i mean help :D

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sphery:

iamlindoro: That's Hulu /Desk/top. Don't you /dare/ think about running that on your Myth box.

[20:45:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

after all, the cable co's don't want you to drop your subscriptions

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wagnerrp:

obviously meaning theres no lirc support

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sphery:

so, is the SNL shot on that page really a good choice for a generic marketing page?

[20:46:26]

sphery:

I mean, think about the name of that skit...

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wagnerrp:

of course the page does have promo shot with a remote, so who knows..

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sphery:

uh, that's for people who lean back in their office chairs, not for the couch!

[20:47:08]

wagnerrp:

oh! 'lirc 0.8.2 or higher'

[20:48:07]

sphery:

and my Athlon X2 6000+ can't even do full screen Hulu, so "Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz" is probably a bit underpowered

[20:48:21]

wagnerrp:

wow... five threads they had to answer and close when they added linux support

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sphery:

full screen 1080p, that is

[20:48:32]

wagnerrp:

apparently linux users cannot use the search button

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Dagmar:

Those people aren't linux users.

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Dagmar:

They're windows users who've strayed from the flock.

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wagnerrp:

and now green tea is all over my keyboard

[20:51:39]

wagnerrp:

thanks

[20:51:43]

wagnerrp:

thanks a lot

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

Things like this wouldn't happen if you'd drink coffee.

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wagnerrp:

no, because then i would have hot fluid coursing through my nasal cavities

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wagnerrp:

and instead of typing to complain, i would be rolling on the ground in pain

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, so it's *iced* green tea...

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Dagmar:

There'd be no complaining on IRC, so no problem

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wagnerrp:

no, just regular temperature green tea, a couple hours out of the fridge

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jimbolaya:

I just tried running it on RHEL_5 x86_64 and got "huludesktop: symbol lookup error: huludesktop: undefined symbol: g_strcmp0"

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wagnerrp:

but... they dont have a RHEL version

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wagnerrp:

oh the folly of pre-compiled binaries

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jimbolaya:

I know, but sometimes it works.

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J-e-f-f-A:

this is apparently one of the "some times" that it's not working...

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jimbolaya:

Yah. Well RHEL_5 is usually 1–2 years behind the cutting edge.

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jimbolaya:

Gaim is still the default. No Pidgin for me.

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wagnerrp:

did they get sued by AOL? i never did hear the reason for the name change

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jimbolaya:

I think they were trying to avoid getting sued by AOL.

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Dagmar:

It was an amicable change since they already had more amusing graphics and nomenclature in mind

[21:01:31]

Dagmar:

AOL had doubts, the Gaim guys had doubts, and the pigeon theme was funny

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wagnerrp:

it couldnt have possibly been as funny as pigeon shipping

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jimbolaya:

I suspect it was also a play on pidgin (as in pidgin english) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin

[21:03:15]

Dagmar:

Yes, exactly.

[21:03:23]

Dagmar:

They're pronounced almost identically

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Dagmar:

...and there's the obvious pun.

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bbeattie:

In current release there's a binary file mythtv that you can use to directly playback video clips. I don't see the same in svn head. Is it no longer possible to do play files directly with any provided binary?

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wagnerrp:

bbeattie: you were never supposed to use it

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kormoc:

bbeattie: it's mythavtest

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wagnerrp:

it was meant as a diagnostic test

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wagnerrp:

and now its named as such

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bbeattie:

any reason it shouldn't be used?

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wagnerrp:

any reason it should be used?

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iamlindoro:

bbeattie: The primary reason it was changed is that new users would "apt-get install mythtv" and then run "mythtv" when they should run "mythfrontend". It can be run, but in troubleshooting scenarios you lose some of the in-context debugging info so we just try to minimize its use by people who don't know better

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bbeattie:

testing to see how well it plays video clips without rescanning for new files

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wagnerrp:

i mean its just direct access to the AV code, very bare bones

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wagnerrp:

if youre using it for testing, thats fine

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bbeattie:

sounds good. thanks

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wagnerrp:

but it was never meant as a real media player (i.e. mplayer)

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yfaykya:

is there a known segfault issue submitting channel icon choices back to services.mythtv.org?

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sphery:

yfaykya: yep

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sphery:

I think your specific one is being looked at, too

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wagnerrp:

looks like its nitrogen day tomorrow

[21:17:00]

wagnerrp:

guy next door rolls out his LN2 tanks for a refill, so we lose a parking spot

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sphery:

yfaykya: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7259

[21:17:29]

yfaykya:

sphery: Thanks – Do you think would another bt help?

[21:17:56]

sphery:

Liquid nitrogen: now that's something I could get N2.

[21:18:04]

yfaykya:

Hmmm mythtv.org seems to be down now. Might explain some of it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://www.reed.edu/apply/student_life/favorite_traditions.html

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sphery:

yfaykya: pretty sure he got passed your bt

[21:18:24]

sphery:

by someone whose been looking at school websites

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: fourth one down

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AriX_:

Hey, how's 0.22 coming? It sure has been a while :p

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janneg:

yfaykya: probably only trac

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wagnerrp:

AriX_: scheduled for next tuesday

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yfaykya:

sphery: Huh? this is the 1st time I've seen it

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AriX_:

wagnerrp: Awesome! :D

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AriX_:

Very excited

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AriX_:

Are the changes all caught up on the wiki?

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sphery:

yfaykya: ok, maybe that was someone else's

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wagnerrp:

i work with a guy who went to Reed

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wagnerrp:

ah, no... different Reed

[21:21:20]

wagnerrp:

no, not a Reed... Reed is a highway near here, he went to some other R school

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wagnerrp:

mmm... its raining AND foggy

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wagnerrp:

going to be a fun drive home

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kormoc:

Least it's not raining frogs

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oobe:

hey iamlindoro that bug where it makes me start with metalurgy no matter what my default theme is went away after my last build

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sphery:

oobe: wonder if you had the random theme checked or something

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oobe:

nah i didnt

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oobe:

i also tried a few things

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oobe:

so i renamed metalurgy and it stopped happening

[21:36:12]

oobe:

then this morning i built trunk and installed the latest metalurgy afterwards and it now is alright

[21:36:26]

oobe:

its just a fluke thing

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wagnerrp:

metalurgy still works under trunk?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: gbee is mid-MythUI port of it

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wagnerrp:

ah

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oobe:

metalurgy with banner and poster art http://insidiousramblings.com/images/metalrec.png

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oobe:

http://insidiousramblings.com/images/metalrec1.png

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oobe:

i made those screens to show gbee yesterday but he hasnt been around

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oobe:

just an ideaa

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iamlindoro:

your webserver is broke ;)

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iamlindoro:

youch, at least fit them in the boxes ;)

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kormoc:

his webserver is mythtv-usered

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

could you adjust that 'preview box' depending on the aspect ratio?

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iamlindoro:

The floating images bursting out of the text boxes are not very pretty-- but up to you

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: not ATM

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wagnerrp:

you couldnt set two different images to be used based off the aspect, like you do the buttons above?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

the buttons above are statetypes-- now what you could do to "fake it" is to make the background image part of the above statetype-- BUT the wide statetype is practically never active so it would never for, for example, in the US.

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wagnerrp:

youre currently inside the dusty bin?

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wagnerrp:

living in a dumpster now?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i was talking about 'faking it', using the background as a statetype

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iamlindoro:

s/never for/never work/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The trouble is the widescreen statetype is never in any of our guide data to key off of

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iamlindoro:

plus, the videoprops are a single state, that is chosen by priority, so even if you *did* have the wide state, it would get overridden by HD1080, HD720, or HD states

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wagnerrp:

no indication of widescreen? or no indication of aspect at all?

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iamlindoro:

no indication of aspect that is trustworthy/available

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iamlindoro:

and even if you were going to hope that you had the wide one, if it was also 1080i/p, 720p, or HD, it would get ignored anyway

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iamlindoro:

it would be a lot more useful to add an adaptive attribute to the shape widget

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iamlindoro:

so that you could key it off an imagetype and have it scale accordingly

[21:47:49]

iamlindoro:

and texture fills for shapes :)

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iamlindoro:

that would be awesome

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hednod:

J-e-f-f-A: many system libaries, but mythtv was rebuilt after all of those changes, just not restarted

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oobe:

i havent seen a theme that changes the preview box size based on aspect ratio

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iamlindoro:

oobe: because it's not presently possible/there's not valid data upon which to do so

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oobe:

those pics were just a hack to see what gbee thought about it since its his theme

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oobe:

i know what you mean about the pics not being centred properly there was no way of getting the to fit in the text boxes without resizing everything in an ugly way

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iamlindoro:

floating images are uglier than resizing the text

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oobe:

iamlindoro, im using your video-ui.xml in metalurgy too it looks nice

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iamlindoro:

whatever works for you

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oobe:

how is my webserver broken?

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jduggan_:

slow

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jduggan_:

?

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oobe:

slow is slow

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iamlindoro:

yes, it took several minutes to load the images

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

thats not broken

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oobe:

just slow

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oobe:

torrents stop in 4 mins

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wagnerrp:

thats not broken, thats just a dozen users all pounding it for a couple lossless pngs

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wagnerrp:

(or *gasp* torrents)

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** kormoc evil eyes oobe **

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oobe:

wagnerrp, exactly

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sphery:

aren't all PNG's are lossless?

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sphery:

though some may be uncompressed "for speed"

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CyberKnet:

twmu

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CyberKnet:

however, iafw

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wagnerrp:

but kdshls

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

(I am frequently wrong)

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wagnerrp:

and the other one?

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CyberKnet:

that was my understanding

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sphery:

understanding was something I completely lacked before you explained your initialisms

[22:01:09]

CyberKnet:

I'm in a tech chat room. It's my obligation to use acronyms nobody has ever heard and expect everybody to know what they mean.

[22:02:28]

gbee:

yes, PNGs are always lossless

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CyberKnet:

PNG ftw

[22:03:16]

gbee:

they were the antedote to years of jpeg nastiness and even worse gifs, sadly jpeg is still in wide circulation

[22:03:25]

sphery:

seems PNG has lossy cousins, and there are encoding hacks that lossify images to make them compress better with PNG's lossy – http://membled.com/work/apps/lossy_png/

[22:03:34]

sphery:

but a "real" PNG would be lossless

[22:04:11]

sphery:

but for some of those 10MP photos, PNG would be quite huge.

[22:04:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ah... now I see why you made that comment about hulu about an hour ago... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

woah... WTF???

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wagnerrp:

e16 was terminated after 46 days because im out of swap space?

[22:05:21]

wagnerrp:

but theres 750MB of physical free

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: maybe there wasn't before it was terminated? (ie: maybe *it* was using it all?)

[22:06:14]

wagnerrp:

why would a very light window manager be using that much memory

[22:06:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... other than a memory leak, I couldn't think of any reason...

[22:07:01]

wagnerrp:

that was the only thing that got terminated

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wagnerrp:

i should probably consider repartitioning this thing with some swap space

[22:07:33]

sphery:

maybe it achieved true enlightenment, became sentient, and started to expand before the OOM killer eradicated it

[22:07:57]

sphery:

sounds like the Linux kernel just averted judgement day

[22:08:08]

wagnerrp:

BSD

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wagnerrp:

the daemon prevented the end of the world

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sphery:

heh

[22:08:26]

wagnerrp:

odd turn of events

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sphery:

I forgot you were a shark-attack survivor

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wagnerrp:

eh?

[22:09:30]

sphery:

http://xkcd.com/349/

[22:09:40]

wagnerrp:

oh, well i havent updated it yet

[22:09:51]

CyberKnet:

Just read teh linux kernel judgement day comment. I about spat on my keyboard. :)

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet: What's that one?

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wagnerrp:

see previous comment about ubuntu users just windows users who have wondered from the flock

[22:10:43]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: sphery's comment, right above?

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CyberKnet:

sphery's one just now about achieving true enlightenment

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iamlindoro:

ha

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CyberKnet:

I think iamlindoro thought I meant a judgmenet day comment in the linux kernel code.

[22:11:29]

iamlindoro:

Something along those lines, I'm popping in and out so didn't have context

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: just do a swap file, there's no performance penalty for them anymore

[22:15:50]

CyberKnet:

learn something new every day

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CyberKnet:

I didn't know that.

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kormoc:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326

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kormoc:

been that way for years

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CyberKnet:

how about that.

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CyberKnet:

<-- uninformed

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kormoc:

only real reason to use a swap partition anymore is for suspend to disk

[22:17:43]

sphery:

kormoc: but, I run a lean, mean, machine with my atom processor and 256MB of RAM, so I have no need for a swap file

[22:17:56]

CyberKnet:

The badly fragmented part is worth taking into consideration for existing systems...

[22:18:02]

sphery:

on an unrelated note, Graphite has a bug and keeps crashing my frontend

[22:18:06]

kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: men, if it's fairly empty (90% or less) it shouldn't be a problem

[22:19:00]

CyberKnet:

I will definitely consider this for the next box I build.

[22:19:10]

CyberKnet:

Which hopefully won't be for a long time. ;)

[22:19:29]

** CyberKnet imagines creating a swap file on an in-memory file system **

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CyberKnet:

heh

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kormoc:

you wouldn't be the first one :P

[22:19:50]

sphery:

sounds like a clever idea

[22:20:04]

CyberKnet:

I wonder what happens when it goes to page the page file...

[22:20:26]

kormoc:

it *is* getting more common to put swap on a SSD if you have the space

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CyberKnet:

Wouldn't that burn through your write operations faster?

[22:20:58]

CyberKnet:

I mean, I see how it would be faster, and that's a good thing...

[22:21:20]

CyberKnet:

but I'd hate to expend such an expensive disk faster – although it may be a noop given the number of write cycles it has vs mtbf

[22:21:45]

CyberKnet:

unless mtbf was based on write cycles... aah heck, I need to stop and go hoem.

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kormoc:

it's better for a prod server to cost more in replacement hardware then to slow down during a extra busy time :)

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CyberKnet:

indeed...

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CyberKnet:

well, I'm out. There's a hell-storm about to hit Tulsa and I want to be home before it does.

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CyberKnet:

adios amigos

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** kormoc waves **

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oobe:

iamlindoro, this looks better? http://insidiousramblings.com/images/metalrec2.png

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kormoc:

that poster on the left is bothersome to me

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oobe:

theres no space for it but i like it

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AndrewNC_:

yeah, that overlap is incongruous

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AndrewNC_:

I'd say resize it to fit, or at least mask it off

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mersault:

Anyone here able to assist me with figuring out why my frontend won't play recorded programs anymore? It appears that the frontend can't pull any media from the backend, but I can telnet to ports 3306 and 6543 from the frontend to the backend and get a response.

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clever:

mersault: mythfrontend logs, read them

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mersault:

clever, if you want to provide a second pair of eyes for them, here: http://pastebin.com/d721047a5

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clever:

mersault: lines like #2168 are sent over the mythtv protocol

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clever:

so the ports are working fine

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clever:

#

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clever:

2009-10–08 18:24:23.517 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1091_20091007000500.mpg

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clever:

#

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clever:

that is likely your problem

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clever:

2009-10–08 18:24:23.517 TV: StartPlayer(): took 3780 ms to start player.

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mersault:

yes, but I had a matching decoder on saturday (presumably, since I successfully watched TV then)

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clever:

ive had that come up randomly before, but i never tracked the exact cause down

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clever:

it fixed itself every time i restarted the frontend, so i couldnt track it down

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mersault:

restarting hasn't resolved it for me

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mersault:

is it possible that something on the backend is the culprit/

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mersault:

?

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clever:

try playing the file in an external player

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mersault:

clever: it works if I use VLC on the backend

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gbee:

have to take back what I was saying about vdpau, it's still not ready :/

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sphery:

mersault: do you have NFS mounts of your recordings directories on your frontend? If so, either unmount them or check the box "Always stream...from backend" or whatever

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mersault:

sphery: alright, I did both, actually. same behavior

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mersault:

the problem is that it's always trying to play '1571_20091007190000.mpg', which doesn't exist

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mersault:

no matter which show, which episode, or which preview it is trying to load, it's ALWAYS looking for that file.

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sphery:

mersault: and you're starting mythfrontend program?

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sphery:

mersault: not the mythtv program

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mersault:

yes

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mersault:

is there a mythtv binary? I know there's mythbackend, mythfrontend, and myth-setup are the primary ones, in addition to the helper apps....

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mersault:

I guess to be clear, I'm running 0.22-fixes

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iamlindoro:

no you're not

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mersault:

not -trunk or anything like that

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mersault:

sorry, 0.21-fixes

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mersault:

mythbuntu 9.04, to be really specific.

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sphery:

the mythtv binary was a test app, not something to run

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sphery:

mersault: When does it try to play this file? On startup or not until you hit Watch TV or when you try to play a recording or ???

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mersault:

not on startup. when I enter 'watch recordings', it tries to stream that file for ANY program that I linger on. If I'm fast and just skip down and play something at random, it will try and play it like I've selected it... basically, any time it tries to stream media from the backend, it's going to try and stream 1571_20091007190000.mpg

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wagnerrp:

2.6.30 seems to be using.... ALSA 1.0.20?

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mersault:

I'm spelunked a bit in the mythconverg DB, and the rows in recorded all have the correct values in basename, so I don't know why it's stuck on this one (non-existent) filename. (I've only done selects on the DB, so we can't blame DB corruption caused by me)

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sphery:

mersault: only 1571 stuff I'm seeing is a LiveTV chain. I think you have a "stuck" LiveTV session.

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sphery:

mersault: shut down the frontends and then all backends, then restart the master backend, then other backends, then the frontends

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mersault:

how can it be stuck through reboots of both the frontend and the backend?

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mersault:

only one of each. and I've done a full powercycle of everything.

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sphery:

then try a DB repair

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sphery:

run optimize_mythdb.pl or click the Repair Database button in mythweb settings

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mersault:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/d23fe357

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mersault:

repair: all ok. optimize, all okay. extended check; all okay.

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sphery:

mersault: that's likely a preview generator error

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sphery:

meaning you have a missing file or filesystem permission problems or something

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mersault:

hmmm....

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mersault:

alright, time to try something crazy. gonna mount the volume on another host, and nfs mount it in the backend

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sphery:

mersault: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT title, subtitle, recgroup FROM recorded WHERE basename = '1571_20091007190000.mpg';"

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sphery:

then find that recording in Watch Recordings and then see if it's gone

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mersault:

I can't really move around watch recordings, because it can't stream any files and it blocks on interface changes

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sphery:

you should be able to move around if you stay in the left list

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sphery:

can try Delete Recordings, instead, too

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sphery:

though the left list may not help if you've disabled summary info

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sphery:

er, if you haven't enabled, "Show group summary: While selecting a group, show a group summary instead of showing info about the first episode in that group."

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sphery:

turns out it's not on by default

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sphery:

so can enable that, then the left column is easy to move through

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sphery:

then you only have to wait a few seconds on each record in the list of recording in that group

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sphery:

much faster

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mersault:

if you're right about the filesystem, and you may very well be, since I just tried to mount the NFS export from the host and can't, then I'm going to try something a little more, radical

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sphery:

ok, that's probably good, too, in case filesystem is hiding that recording from myth

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sphery:

that way you can actually fix it rather than deleting it

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mersault:

alright, that didn't work, but I need to go to dinner

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mersault:

bbiab

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gnarface:

anyone know what AMD C1E is?

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