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| [00:01:15] | pyther: | If I am transcoding and then I have a recording set to take place, will the recording have a greater priority than the transcode? |
| [00:02:25] | kormoc: | depends? |
| [00:02:48] | pyther: | What does it depend on? |
| [00:03:19] | kormoc: | what you set the priority of the transcode job to be |
| [00:05:14] | pyther: | kormoc, I'm not sure, I just selected it to transcode |
| [00:05:33] | pyther: | I pressed m while playing the video, and selected transcode |
| [00:07:33] | jamesd2: | pyther, recording uses hardly any cpu.... so it shouldn't be an issue, i have had 2 hd recordings + a transcode happening without any issue |
| [00:08:30] | pyther: | okay cool |
| [00:09:02] | pyther: | I'm on a sempron +2200 right now, but I'm watching a show and everything seems okay |
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| [00:15:54] | octon: | Hey all, I'm seeing intermittent problems with recordings being aborted, I haven't been able to figure out why the aborts occur, but what would be useful is if there was a way to force myth to retry aborted recordings. |
| [00:16:01] | octon: | Anyone have any ideas? |
| [00:16:09] | kormoc: | read the logs? |
| [00:17:12] | octon: | Yeah been through them but can't see anything relevant, some times its down to myth crashing, but my monitor daemon restarts myth but the recording isn't resumed. |
| [00:17:13] | Dagmar: | It always will as far as I know |
| [00:17:36] | Dagmar: | You can hard power off the machine in the middle of a scheduled recording, and when it reboots if the show is still on, it'll start a new recording segment for it. |
| [00:17:37] | octon: | It always will, resume? |
| [00:17:55] | Dagmar: | I know for awhile I had an issue with PCI latency that was making the PVR-500 hard reboot the machine. |
| [00:18:13] | Dagmar: | Thrilled me to no end to see recordings in 4–5 pieces sometimes |
| [00:18:27] | wagnerrp: | hopefully at the commercials? |
| [00:18:30] | octon: | Yeah ... so that's the weird thing, resume starts in some cases but not others, but a manual resume works. |
| [00:18:42] | octon: | LOL ... I have a few of those. |
| [00:18:49] | gbee: | it won't always, if there are only 5 minutes left of an hour long recording, I don't know what the logic is but at some point it does give up |
| [00:19:22] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Right in the middle of the jail scene in Bloodrayne actually |
| [00:19:31] | gbee: | maybe it won't always bother if the programme is repeated, I really don't know, the behaviour's not documented |
| [00:19:34] | Dagmar: | I was like "Wow it's like my girlfriend is in the card" |
| [00:19:58] | wagnerrp: | im sure thats for the best... relieving you from having to watch it |
| [00:19:59] | Dagmar: | It might not bother because when it comes back up the database is bufu |
| [00:20:19] | octon: | bufu? |
| [00:20:21] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That girl is HOT |
| [00:20:39] | Dagmar: | octon: Broken Unbelievably For Umm... |
| [00:21:07] | ** Dagmar whistles nonchalantly. ** | |
| [00:21:07] | wagnerrp: | well sure, but theres better places to find kristanna loken |
| [00:21:15] | octon: | I rebuilt the data base 2 months ago, draging along only the essentials. |
| [00:21:51] | wagnerrp: | like termi... err, no.... painkil.... no.... |
| [00:21:56] | wagnerrp: | ok, youve got me |
| [00:22:02] | Dagmar: | hehehe |
| [00:23:06] | octon: | She was a bit to dominant on T3 for my liking, but each to their own. |
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| [00:23:23] | Dagmar: | I can handle her, er... it |
| [00:24:01] | octon: | Being a shape shifter would be interesting! ;) |
| [00:25:09] | octon: | So does anyone have any ideas of what I can look for to diagnose why the aborts are occuring? |
| [00:25:25] | wagnerrp: | well thats odd... the commflagger for heroes seems to have stopped |
| [00:25:33] | Dagmar: | octon: The backend logs and the kernel logs |
| [00:25:35] | kormoc: | octon: the logs? |
| [00:25:49] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It's probably caught up to the point in the LIVE BROADCAST |
| [00:26:07] | kormoc: | octon: you'll just have to increase the verbosity but they should tell you |
| [00:26:13] | wagnerrp: | it catches up, and pauses? it doesnt just keep going at a reduced rate? |
| [00:26:25] | Dagmar: | Dunno. |
| [00:26:32] | Dagmar: | Wait and see if it starts up again |
| [00:26:33] | gbee: | octon: check kernel logs too (dmesg etc) |
| [00:26:42] | Dagmar: | It might well be stopping until the top of the next whole minute for all I know |
| [00:26:51] | Dagmar: | I just know for sure it can't commflag material not yet broadcast. |
| [00:27:13] | gbee: | octon: which kernel? what version of myth? |
| [00:27:59] | octon: | myth 0.21, ubuntu 8.10, which is: |
| [00:28:31] | octon: | 2.6.27 |
| [00:28:35] | gbee: | ok, not the issue I was thinking of then |
| [00:28:36] | kormoc: | there's also a chance that there is nothing wrong and your 'restart if gone' monitor is causing it |
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| [00:28:52] | crankharder: | myth will automatically "record new and delete old" w/o me enabling that option on every recording schedule, right? |
| [00:29:10] | wagnerrp: | nope, have to enable it on each |
| [00:29:17] | octon: | It looks like the problems are crashes in mythbackend. |
| [00:29:20] | kormoc: | if it was the default, why would it not be checked by default? |
| [00:29:21] | octon: | mostly. |
| [00:29:38] | gbee: | backend crashes with 0.21 (especially a recent 0.21) are rare |
| [00:30:12] | octon: | gbee: Do you know if that is true if you have image previews being generated. |
| [00:30:13] | octon: | ? |
| [00:30:24] | crankharder: | even without setting a number of recordings to keep? |
| [00:30:39] | kormoc: | the image preview is a different thread, to prevent it from bringing down the backend |
| [00:31:02] | gbee: | octon: preview images are generated by a separate backend process, even if they crash they won't take out the main backend process |
| [00:31:04] | kormoc: | what it does do is at times lock the backend up so that to monitoring scripts, it appears dead and so they restart it incorrectly |
| [00:31:21] | Dagmar: | Neotron: It's not quite that simple |
| [00:31:37] | octon: | kormac: That wouldn't necessarily stop it bringing down the backend, unless it's a separate process .. right? |
| [00:31:37] | kormoc: | crankharder: then it'll just record as many as it can |
| [00:31:57] | gbee: | not even a separate thread, an entirely separate process – but if your restart script is looking for a crashed mythbackend process it might be mistaking the preview gen one? |
| [00:32:31] | gbee: | it's also worth considering the possibility of hardware faults (faulty memory/overheating) and you should really check whether you are running the latest newest version of 0.21 available to you |
| [00:32:58] | octon: | gbee: I'll double check the myth version |
| [00:33:59] | octon: | I believe the monitor looks at the mythbackend.pid file, so it shouldn't be mistaking the process. |
| [00:34:12] | gbee: | anything below 19000 is way too old, but really you should be looking for something above 20000, we're currently over 22000 |
| [00:35:18] | crankharder: | kormoc: and whatever show is the oldest... k, ty |
| [00:36:33] | gbee: | octon: consider running without the monitoring script, IMHO those things do more harm than good – my production backend hasn't crashed in over 18 months |
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| [00:37:06] | gbee: | if current 0.21-fixes crashes then it means no-one has reported the bug so we haven't be able to fix it :) |
| [00:37:59] | octon: | gbee: I'm running 0.21, but I don't know the patch level ubuntu ships currently. |
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| [00:39:03] | gbee: | hmm, laga's hiding |
| [00:39:38] | octon: | gbee: Does a crash in SqlDataBase::KickDatabase mean anything to you? |
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| [00:42:09] | mag0o: | possible bug in mythvideo – when playing the first video that has a video set to automatically play after it is done, if you exit early, saving a bookmark (thus, wanting to stop the playback completely, ideally) the 2nd part of the video begins playback |
| [00:42:22] | gbee: | octon: there are many versions of 0.21, although no official point releases fixes continued to be applied to 0.21 regularly until last month |
| [00:43:16] | antgel: | is 0.22 svn in a usable state for reasonably competent users? i don't mind dealing with the odd glitch, but if it's going to crash left, right and centre, i'll build 0.21-fixes. NB this is for a new install |
| [00:43:29] | jblack: | All these ATSC locks with timeouts. I wonder what those are. |
| [00:43:31] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, feature request, MythVideo has no way to know whether you quit playback or waited for it to finish |
| [00:44:04] | wagnerrp: | 'hard drive not installed' |
| [00:44:16] | wagnerrp: | whoops... seems like my hard drive fell out into my laptop bag |
| [00:44:35] | mag0o: | gotcha |
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| [01:02:17] | mag0o: | thanks for 7049 sphery :) |
| [01:03:12] | ** mag0o is hoping he's getting irc -> user correct ** | |
| [01:03:14] | Rodya: | Does anyone have a Hauppauge 1250 (that the driver lists as a 1270) working? I can't get mine to actually scan channels =/ |
| [01:04:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Yes, I have one on my trunk test box. |
| [01:04:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for looking... Guess you didn't record the episode on its original airdate. It had seriesid SH726133 (which is right for The Office). |
| [01:04:59] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, any ideas for how I can get it working (the command scan just gives me a warning about not being able to tune to a different frequency when i try to scan and mythtv-setup never gets any locks) |
| [01:05:12] | sphery: | mag0o: You're welcome... I wanted to do a better fix--such that even if there was a too-close-to-end bookmark, you'd be given time to react, but it requires too many changes, so I went with the simple fix that should fix the issue completely for your usage. |
| [01:05:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: in my oldrecorded, I see both seriesid's-- SH726133 and the trunc'ed programid EP00726133 |
| [01:05:54] | mag0o: | that'll be a +++ for waf :) |
| [01:08:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Let me see if mine scans.... I may have used the HD-3000 or HVR-950 for the scan before... |
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| [01:09:05] | octon: | gbee: thanks for the help, I'll try disabling monit. |
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| [01:10:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: It doesn't show signal strength in the myth scanner, but does lock on and find channels. |
| [01:11:20] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, mine does show signal strength when scanning, but doesn't ever lock =/ |
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| [01:11:51] | ctpaterson: | Does anyone know if there's a configurable way to increase the timeout before myth will give up on accessing a liveTV file? I'm getting frequent failures when going to liveTV, switching channels, and program rollovers. |
| [01:12:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Well, that's strange. I'm running Fedora 11 with trunk built a few days ago... 22174 |
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| [01:13:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: I should say I'm only using it for ATSC. |
| [01:13:20] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, me as well, I guess I should try building it from source |
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| [01:16:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: You running trunk? I had this card working on my 0.21-fixes box before, then upgraded to a HDHR to free up a PCIe slot for a raid card. |
| [01:16:34] | ctpaterson: | Could anyone tell me if there is or is not a way? Perhaps what I'm asking can't be done? |
| [01:16:41] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, I was running 0.21 from the arch linux repository, but compiling from svn now |
| [01:17:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Is this a 'production' system, or are you just getting started? |
| [01:18:11] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, just getting started |
| [01:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Ok... ;-) Trunk is going through alot of changes at the moment in preperation for the 0.22 release (very soon)... So you may run into issues here and there. Sub to the dev list and watch the commits... ;-) |
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| [01:20:02] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, thanks for the tip =) |
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| [01:30:36] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, well, it still lists each channel as timed out, no signal, and im getting no locks (but the interface for all of the configuration is much improved, lol) |
| [01:35:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: I don't remember if it needs firmware or not – I didn't think so, but check for a dmesg via "dmesg |grep -i firmware" |
| [01:35:57] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, didn't show anything |
| [01:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: and you've rebooted fairly recently, right? |
| [01:37:47] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, I had some trouble getting my system to detect the card correctly initially, so I ended up rebuilding the v4l-dvb kernel modules, then, of course, I had to restart and dmesg showed it detecting the card (this was maybe 4 hours ago) |
| [01:38:24] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, it wasn't a hard reboot, though, which I can do if you think it will help |
| [01:38:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: You don't have to re-boot – just wondering if the dmesg log has rolled or not... ;-) |
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| [01:39:32] | brad3: | i'm trying to "edit recording" to remove commercials from a recording, and myth seems to be missing my cut points by half a second or so. anyone have any ideas? |
| [01:40:08] | brad3: | probably user-error, but any tips would be appreciated! :) |
| [01:40:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Rodya: Give that a shot... then do the dmesg command looking for 'firmware'... IIRC the 1250 doesn't need a firmware file, but if it does and it's not in place, it won't tune/scan... ;-) |
| [01:40:30] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, alright, brb =) |
| [01:46:54] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, nothing with 'firmware' in dmesg output |
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| [01:53:53] | Rodya: | J-e-f-f-A, any other ideas? |
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| [01:59:29] | brad3: | when creating cutlists for a hdpvr myth recording, can you only create a cutpoint on a keyframe? |
| [02:00:27] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:00:35] | wagnerrp: | you cannot create cutlists for a hdpvr recording |
| [02:01:10] | wagnerrp: | rather, you can create them, but you cant do anything with it inside mythtv |
| [02:01:41] | wagnerrp: | not without transcoding to something less efficient, and less transferrable, than h264 |
| [02:03:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Are you planning on dealing w/ the python exception thing on your big python ticket? |
| [02:03:16] | iamlindoro: | (BTW, most discussion ever on not-really-a-bug, btw) |
| [02:03:25] | iamlindoro: | s/, btw// |
| [02:03:34] | brad3: | what does everyone use for their lossless transcode and commercial remove on hdpvr recordings? |
| [02:03:43] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: the change mentioned in ubuntu-mythtv-dev has already been made |
| [02:03:50] | wagnerrp: | but as far as im concerned is not a solution |
| [02:04:01] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason that should fix anything |
| [02:04:11] | wagnerrp: | but then again, theres no reason why the bug should be happening |
| [02:04:19] | wagnerrp: | so i still have no idea what is going on |
| [02:04:26] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I record at 720p and use avidemux with great success. |
| [02:04:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, What's the ticket # on your python bit? |
| [02:05:11] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Doing tonight's show as we speak. |
| [02:05:22] | wagnerrp: | the one ive been using previously is 6885, but this is close to a full rewrite |
| [02:05:54] | brad3: | rdv: how do you tell which show is which in the mythtv directory structure? |
| [02:06:02] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, OK, let me know when/if you update the ticket w/ a patch that includes the fix so I can close the new ticket as dupe |
| [02:06:33] | iamlindoro: | As it is it's already dangerously close to a FRWOP |
| [02:06:47] | iamlindoro: | since it's asking for the message to be reported more nicely, but is still a failure |
| [02:06:48] | wagnerrp: | when i do, its not going to be a patch |
| [02:07:02] | wagnerrp: | ill just dump on the new files |
| [02:07:14] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I have a userjob that moves and renames the movie or show into an edit directory. It even checks if another show is being recorded and transfers in a way not to thrash the drive. |
| [02:07:49] | brad3: | rdv_linux: ah cool, is that something you might be willing to share? :) |
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| [02:08:36] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I have nautilus scripts that I use to start avidemux and the do the post provessing into an mkv. Sure you can have everything. I assume you are running trunk? |
| [02:08:51] | brad3: | rdv: yes |
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| [02:10:52] | ** mag0o got FRWOP'd earlier ** | |
| [02:10:59] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: First thing is to check that you have a proper version of avidemux. You must be using this or higher Avidemux 2.4.3 (r5256) |
| [02:11:31] | brad3: | just installed 2.5.0.9 |
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| [02:12:46] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Sounds good although I have not tested with that version. Let me get a archive together for you. You will need to edit the directories for you installation. |
| [02:13:04] | brad3: | thanks, i appreciate it! and whenever you have time is good |
| [02:13:18] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: This will take a while so hold on. |
| [02:13:30] | JokerNfear: | hey guys im having a problem with cbmcmyth and a backend server im getting an error connectiing to database ..im thinking my DB is set 127.0.0.1 and need to chang eit to the ip addy how can i do this? |
| [02:13:31] | brad3: | silly question.. my starting format seems to be .mpg is that what your starting format is? Why are you converting it into mkv? |
| [02:13:34] | Wicked: | RDV_Linux, if you dont mind could i also take a look at your scripts? |
| [02:13:43] | Wicked: | they sound interesting :) |
| [02:14:25] | squish102: | JokerNfear i think that is in mythsetup |
| [02:14:41] | JokerNfear: | yeah i changed the 2 in general to the IP but im still getting the error |
| [02:14:45] | JokerNfear: | i rebooting also |
| [02:15:04] | JokerNfear: | rebooted and configured the xbmc with ip's user/pass |
| [02:15:10] | oktiv: | good evening all. i've just one question tonight. is there a way to have the system ask for confirmation when exiting live tv? since the buffer is lost when you go to the main menu of myth, a confirmation would be nice. |
| [02:15:34] | Wicked: | also does anyone know how usable trunk is? i know its getting close to release....and im getting anxious....too early to replace my 0.21-fixes? |
| [02:15:50] | iamlindoro: | JokerNfear, we don't provide help for unofficial frontends here, you'll need to ask in the XBMC channels |
| [02:15:59] | Wicked: | oktiv, yea. there is. i forget where...but i just enabled it |
| [02:16:09] | JokerNfear: | k |
| [02:16:57] | oktiv: | i know there is a confirmation for exiting the system al together, but that's the only one i've seen |
| [02:17:18] | Wicked: | nah. it asks what you want to do if you hit exit... |
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| [02:17:39] | Wicked: | you can even have it come up at the end of a recording asking what you want to do..like delte the recording or save position. |
| [02:18:18] | oktiv: | Wicked: is this in recordings? or live? |
| [02:18:35] | Wicked: | in live tv it asks if you want to exit live tv or not |
| [02:18:41] | Wicked: | in recordings it asks more. |
| [02:19:06] | oktiv: | cool, thats what i'm looking for. i'm digging around now |
| [02:19:10] | Wicked: | id go check but i have mythtv setup to output to my projector and its not on and takes a few mins to warm up |
| [02:19:24] | Wicked: | its in the settings somewhere ;o. i wanna say in tv settings |
| [02:19:46] | Wicked: | iirc itll be something along the lines of "prompt somethig something" |
| [02:20:34] | oktiv: | prompt at end of recording? |
| [02:20:39] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:20:40] | Wicked: | try that |
| [02:21:27] | oktiv: | just above that checkbox is a dropdown for action on playback exit!!!!! |
| [02:21:41] | Wicked: | ah |
| [02:21:48] | Wicked: | that sounds like it :) |
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| [02:22:10] | oktiv: | "always prompt (including live tv)" looks promising |
| [02:23:06] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:23:07] | Wicked: | thats the one |
| [02:23:10] | Wicked: | i just checked |
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| [02:23:30] | Wicked: | i just switched it to output to this monitor instead of the projector |
| [02:24:45] | oktiv: | it's nice that hitting escape on the popup returns to the show instead of menu! ahhhhhhhh, the girls next door is on |
| [02:24:56] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [02:25:16] | Wicked: | its not possible to use both 0.21 and 0.22? |
| [02:25:37] | wagnerrp: | sure you can, they just cant share data |
| [02:25:45] | wagnerrp: | and its difficult to put them on the same system |
| [02:25:56] | Wicked: | yea. thats what i would be doing. |
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| [02:26:03] | Wicked: | i just really wanna try out 0.22 hehe |
| [02:27:32] | iamlindoro: | so wait a week and try it when it exists |
| [02:27:46] | iamlindoro: | since there's no .22 this week, and there will be one next week |
| [02:27:50] | Wicked: | yea i know. im just getting anxious ;o |
| [02:29:19] | oktiv: | thanks wicked for getting me on the path |
| [02:29:28] | Wicked: | no prob :) |
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| [02:32:07] | oktiv: | see yall in 24 hrs or so |
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| [02:34:19] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: sure it may as late as tomorrow before I get it all together as I need to write up a README to make sure you fix up and put the scripts in the right places. |
| [02:34:58] | Wicked: | RDV_Linux, ok awesome. i idle here so i should be around. just give me a holler :) |
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| [02:36:07] | iamlindoro: | Well, I know I threw a lot into my backend, but this is ridiculous: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1596560 |
| [02:36:17] | iamlindoro: | That is by FAR the fastest transcode I've ever done |
| [02:37:06] | Wicked: | nice |
| [02:40:00] | wagnerrp: | well 65MB/s for a copy and a small bit of reprocessing isnt all that impressive |
| [02:40:52] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Sorry, but lossless transcode of a whole 3 minute show in 5 seconds in impressive to me no matter what |
| [02:41:05] | iamlindoro: | but thanks for being the internet curmudgeon, guess someone had to be |
| [02:41:09] | mag0o: | im more concerned with 192.168.0.99 as the backend ip, i figured everyone was like me and used multiples of 5 |
| [02:41:13] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | 30 minute? |
| [02:41:38] | iamlindoro: | 30, yes |
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| [02:53:57] | squish102: | iamlindoro what are you doing with that video? Transcoding a video to what? |
| [02:54:20] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 to mpeg2 |
| [02:54:26] | wagnerrp: | lossless comm clipping |
| [02:54:32] | squish102: | oh ok |
| [02:55:32] | squish102: | so reading in a stream and chomping out some portions |
| [02:56:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if anything exists that could do a real transcode of 30 minutes of anything in 5 seconds |
| [02:56:26] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you knew the frame order ahead of time, and could run each block concurrently |
| [02:56:29] | clever: | core8duo? :P |
| [02:58:42] | brad3: | iamlindoro: is this one of your hdpvr recordings? What do you use to transcode avidemux? |
| [02:59:02] | wagnerrp: | its an mpeg2 recording |
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| [02:59:43] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I cut loss less but if I want to transcode I to a smaller file I use Handbrake. |
| [03:01:13] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I would only use Handbrake after using avidemux to do the loss less commercial cuts. |
| [03:01:50] | brad3: | rdv: playing around with avide right now. i seem to get a green window, until i play through the video.. is there some way to scan the video, so it knows what is in each frame without playing it? |
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| [03:15:13] | brad3: | RDV_Linux: when you are editing your hdpvr caps in avidemux, do you have "i-frames"? I only seem to have b and p frames, which avidemux isn't liking too much, lol |
| [03:16:00] | wagnerrp: | you MUST have i-frames |
| [03:16:20] | wagnerrp: | a video without i-frames could not be seeked around |
| [03:16:42] | wagnerrp: | similarly, you could not clip anything without transcoding the entire thing |
| [03:16:58] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: All I do is load the video, let it index the video and hit yes two times then mark a and b and crtl-x to cut and then save as an avi file |
| [03:17:37] | brad3: | rdv: and you are loading a .mpg file? |
| [03:17:37] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: avidemux takes care of the rest |
| [03:18:07] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Yes a straight hdpvr MythTV recorded file. |
| [03:19:00] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Avidemux is set as audio and video copy with output as an avi |
| [03:19:43] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Must be a 720p recording 1080i does not work |
| [03:19:58] | brad3: | oh, that might be it |
| [03:20:02] | brad3: | how do i tell the difference? |
| [03:20:33] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I set my STB to only output at 720p |
| [03:20:40] | wagnerrp: | is it large? or largish? |
| [03:21:05] | brad3: | 2.3gb for 30mins |
| [03:21:12] | wagnerrp: | i mean the frames |
| [03:21:14] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: use "ffmpeg -i filename" |
| [03:21:49] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: That is most likely 1080i |
| [03:21:55] | brad3: | one sec, don't have ffmpeg installed :) |
| [03:22:31] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Must have ffmpeg to use the scripts I will give you |
| [03:23:08] | brad3: | http://pastebin.ca/1596637 is the result |
| [03:24:32] | brad3: | Video: h264, yuv420p, 1920x1080 that's probably 1080i? |
| [03:24:42] | wagnerrp: | that it would be |
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| [03:25:13] | brad3: | do most people record in 720p? am i just wasting space as this level? |
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| [03:25:43] | clever: | shit |
| [03:25:50] | clever: | found out why the cpu fan wasnt rattling |
| [03:25:54] | clever: | totaly frozen |
| [03:26:03] | gnarface: | eject, eject, eject!! |
| [03:26:09] | clever: | guess its optional :P |
| [03:26:15] | clever: | its only 133mhz |
| [03:26:23] | gnarface: | hah oh |
| [03:27:02] | clever: | its not even a P2 |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | i had a 200 with a crappy heatsink that still managed to be fanless |
| [03:28:50] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: I record at 720p top save disk space and when it up scales on my TV I do not see much difference. I asked the same question and the answer is 1080i is better for sports. |
| [03:29:05] | clever: | my 486sx doesnt even have a sink |
| [03:29:15] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, the opposite |
| [03:29:26] | iamlindoro: | 1080i is better for drama, 720p is better for sports |
| [03:29:43] | brad3: | iamlindoro, what do you record in? how do you do your lossless transcoding? |
| [03:29:43] | wagnerrp: | drama is slow, where interlacing matters less |
| [03:29:52] | wagnerrp: | you want progressive for fast motion in sports |
| [03:30:01] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Ok the memeory is failing. brad3 trust their word over mine ;) |
| [03:30:08] | iamlindoro: | I record at the output resolution of the box, leaving the resolution decision to be made by the channel |
| [03:30:54] | wagnerrp: | although if you look at most dramas, theyre usually doubled or TCd from 24fps anyway |
| [03:31:34] | wagnerrp: | either you get full frames repeating in a 2/3 pattern |
| [03:31:44] | wagnerrp: | or you alternate between progressive and interlaced from telecining |
| [03:35:00] | brad3: | iamlindoro: and then how do you do your commercial cutting? |
| [03:35:53] | iamlindoro: | The only way to do so is what RDV_Linux explained to you |
| [03:36:04] | iamlindoro: | so when/if one does so, it's the only option |
| [03:37:30] | brad3: | is there anything you can do, if you recorded something in 1080i, to convert it to 720p, so that the avidemux route works? |
| [03:38:14] | iamlindoro: | You can transcode anything you like, but at that point the whole point of lossless is ruined |
| [03:39:53] | brad3: | thanks for the info guys |
| [03:46:09] | mag0o: | hmm, im updating my svn build and im getting http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1596682 when compiling mythplugins (i did do a make clean) |
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| [03:46:33] | mag0o: | user error or app error? |
| [03:47:10] | iamlindoro: | user error |
| [03:47:27] | mag0o: | ...figures... |
| [03:47:28] | mag0o: | :) |
| [03:47:33] | iamlindoro: | you are building against out of date mythtv libs, or you have not done make install on your mythtv directory before trying to build plugins |
| [03:47:39] | mag0o: | ahhh |
| [03:47:42] | mag0o: | that would be it |
| [03:47:58] | mag0o: | i was building all of my packages then going to upgrade them |
| [03:51:19] | mag0o: | so, you know themeing *and* building, awesome :) |
| [03:52:39] | iamlindoro: | Can't theme something you can't build ;) |
| [03:52:48] | mag0o: | rut-roh |
| [03:53:07] | mag0o: | well, i can build it, but cant do much fixing on it |
| [03:57:47] | mag0o: | yay, plugins built |
| [04:09:35] | iamlindoro: | Ooof, Heroes was 34 minute after cutting out commercials this week |
| [04:10:16] | jpabq: | I thought you gave up on Heroes? |
| [04:10:32] | iamlindoro: | Giving this season a chance, and my GF likes it |
| [04:11:06] | jpabq: | Ah, that excuse! |
| [04:11:41] | iamlindoro: | I just hate seeing values like that, makes me wonder if I cut out a whole segment or something |
| [04:11:56] | iamlindoro: | Could be the old Myth not knowing how long anything is bug, though |
| [04:12:22] | iamlindoro: | and per ffmpeg, it is :) |
| [04:12:24] | iamlindoro: | 41 minutes |
| [04:13:54] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: 34 out of a 60 min show sound way off I will but my recording to compare |
| [04:14:34] | iamlindoro: | 41 per ffmpeg |
| [04:14:36] | iamlindoro: | which is more likely |
| [04:19:27] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I got 42:12 |
| [04:19:56] | iamlindoro: | that can be down to subtle differences in editing (I got 41:50) |
| [04:19:58] | iamlindoro: | so that's fine |
| [04:20:26] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I agree in the subtle difference comment |
| [04:20:48] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: more tomorrow |
| [04:22:09] | dserban_: | What's the holdup on .22? |
| [04:22:19] | ** dserban_ awaits a week to be added to the release ** | |
| [04:22:25] | ** dserban_ gets nominated to finish it ** | |
| [04:22:31] | ** iamlindoro tears up next week's calendar ** | |
| [04:22:34] | dserban_: | hah! |
| [04:22:35] | dserban_: | :) |
| [04:29:13] | dserban_: | Has anyone attempted to do a tmdb.pl type script for the game metadata in myth? |
| [04:33:00] | sphery: | not yet, but iamlindoro could tell you all about what it should be like/what site to use... |
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| [04:33:41] | iamlindoro: | It should use the same values as tmdb.pl and ttvdb.py for consistency |
| [04:33:45] | iamlindoro: | ie Title: |
| [04:33:47] | iamlindoro: | Subitle: |
| [04:33:48] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [04:34:00] | iamlindoro: | for anything that has a strict analogue in TMDB/TVDB |
| [04:34:06] | sphery: | dserban_: ^^^ |
| [04:34:22] | iamlindoro: | anything new can be a new value, ie System: Publisher: etc. |
| [04:34:54] | iamlindoro: | And someone is welcome to start on such a thing (I suggest mobygames) but it won't work until I finish the generic metadata stuff and plug it in to MythGame |
| [04:34:59] | iamlindoro: | which should hopefully be by .23 |
| [04:35:02] | iamlindoro: | ok, afk |
| [04:36:56] | dserban_: | hmm |
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| [05:06:21] | dserban_: | moby games looks like a good start, I just hate writing a web scraper, as it can break quite easily. Wish I had xml feeds from somewhere, I'd be done the script in an hour, now if anyone wanted it to do anything meaningful... then maybe a couple of months... :) |
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| [05:46:01] | android60: | how long does it take for live tv recordings to expire and get deleted? |
| [05:46:28] | dserban_: | nevar! Many hard drives go to the grave! BEWARE! |
| [05:46:42] | iamlindoro: | 24 hours or until you need space, whichever comes sooner |
| [05:46:43] | dserban_: | Rather: It depends. |
| [05:46:55] | iamlindoro: | the 24 hours is also the default, which can be changed |
| [05:47:23] | android60: | where can it be changed? I looked all over |
| [05:48:04] | iamlindoro: | TV Settings, General |
| [05:48:24] | android60: | ok, guess i missed it |
| [05:49:02] | android60: | My 1 hour clear qam recording is 6.1gb. I don't have analog going yet. Will analog recordings be as large? and also do you guys leave your recordings alone or do you convert them? |
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| [05:49:19] | wagnerrp: | that all depends on you |
| [05:49:30] | wagnerrp: | you *can* record analog at 14mbps |
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| [05:49:57] | wagnerrp: | but generally, people do somewhere between 2–7mbps for standard definition capture |
| [05:50:04] | wagnerrp: | or 7–13mbps for HDPVR capture |
| [05:50:23] | android60: | ok, and is that on the card settings? |
| [05:50:37] | wagnerrp: | recording profiles, frontend settings |
| [05:50:51] | android60: | Like i said, don't have analog yet. waiting on http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=788 |
| [05:50:54] | android60: | ok thanks for the info |
| [05:51:51] | wagnerrp: | analog audio? |
| [05:52:00] | android60: | the encoder fix he is hoping to get to |
| [05:52:06] | android60: | encoder/driver** |
| [05:52:07] | wagnerrp: | thats an mpeg card, it should just dump an mpeg stream |
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| [05:52:36] | wagnerrp: | (not knowing any of the actually driver internals) audio on that card should 'just work' |
| [05:52:56] | android60: | so your saying 1800 analog should work fine? |
| [05:53:00] | android60: | ftl "With any luck I may also have time to track down the MythTV encoder related issue, something that’s been in my todo list for a long time." |
| [05:53:01] | iamlindoro: | HVR-1800... it of the driver bug |
| [05:53:05] | wagnerrp: | in linux, i thought so |
| [05:53:09] | iamlindoro: | not 1800 |
| [05:53:13] | iamlindoro: | you're thinking 1600 |
| [05:53:20] | iamlindoro: | 1800's driver still broken |
| [05:53:33] | wagnerrp: | but like iamlindoro (and the blog) mentioned, theres a bug in the driver that prevents it from working with mythtv |
| [05:53:57] | android60: | ya, and thats wht one of the driver devs is hoping to fix in the upcoming weekds |
| [05:54:24] | android60: | hopefully anyway |
| [05:54:44] | wagnerrp: | im more interested in getting analog on the 2250, to be honest |
| [05:55:17] | android60: | whats the diff between 2250 and 1800 |
| [05:55:31] | android60: | feature wise |
| [05:55:42] | wagnerrp: | not quite double |
| [05:56:11] | android60: | ? |
| [05:56:24] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 has a digital tuner, and an analog tuner tied to an mpeg encoder |
| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | the 2250 has a pair of hybrid tuners each tied to an mpeg encoder |
| [05:56:59] | android60: | oh. that is nice |
| [05:57:17] | android60: | so only digital works on it right now? |
| [05:57:33] | wagnerrp: | out of curiosity, anyone know if you can use video capture on the 2250, while using digital on both tuners? |
| [05:57:47] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:04:25] | sidh: | greetings gentlemen |
| [06:05:37] | sidh: | i had no sound on my system and i bougth a terratec sound card whichshould be recognized on linux |
| [06:06:10] | sidh: | lspci -v says : |
| [06:06:13] | sidh: | 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH Device 1144 |
| [06:06:41] | wagnerrp: | so you have the proper cmedia drivers compiled for alsa? |
| [06:06:42] | sidh: | i tried all the alsa output in settings/setup menu |
| [06:07:00] | sidh: | wagnerrp: how can i verify that ? |
| [06:07:00] | wagnerrp: | specifically the CM8738 chip listed |
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| [06:08:16] | wagnerrp: | look in /lib/modules/<kernel string>/kernel/sound/ |
| [06:08:17] | sidh: | snd_cmipci <- listed by lsmod |
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| [06:09:43] | wagnerrp: | looks right |
| [06:09:48] | sidh: | ls /lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/sound/drivers/ |
| [06:09:52] | sidh: | mpu401 opl3 opl4 pcsp snd-dummy.ko snd-mtpav.ko snd-mts64.ko snd-portman2x4.ko snd-serial-u16550.ko snd-virmidi.ko vx |
| [06:10:11] | wagnerrp: | well if you have that module loaded, you obviously have it |
| [06:10:15] | wagnerrp: | no sense looking for it |
| [06:10:52] | sidh: | wagnerrp: maybe it is because it is not the mobo sound card but an added one |
| [06:11:13] | sidh: | sorry for annoying with that wagnerrp , but i'm used with oss and bsd system |
| [06:11:15] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt matter, as long as ALSA is set up to use that card as default |
| [06:11:23] | sidh: | rarely deal with alsa |
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| [06:12:12] | sidh: | is there some alsa command to initialize |
| [06:12:19] | wagnerrp: | ive got some 'alsaconf' that manages what card gets used as default, but that may be a gentoo thing |
| [06:12:42] | wagnerrp: | if the module is loaded, the card is working |
| [06:12:59] | wagnerrp: | now its just a function of making sure it is the default card |
| [06:13:17] | sidh: | no alsaconf on mythbuntu, maybe alsactl |
| [06:13:17] | wagnerrp: | and i dont really know how to tell you to do that |
| [06:13:34] | wagnerrp: | ALSA is quite the mess for configuration |
| [06:13:35] | dserban_: | sidh, can you confirm that you can pull up alsamixer? |
| [06:14:00] | wagnerrp: | alsamixer will list the current default card at the top of the terminal |
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| [06:14:39] | sidh: | dserban_: i can confirm |
| [06:14:49] | sidh: | yes and it is not the good one |
| [06:15:22] | sidh: | we are near the solution |
| [06:20:21] | sidh: | ok itried the following (i'm rebooting to test now) |
| [06:20:25] | sidh: | asoundconf list |
| [06:21:04] | sidh: | it lists 2 card : SI7012 (old ) , CMI8738 |
| [06:21:27] | sidh: | then : asoundconf set-default-card CMI8738 |
| [06:21:45] | sidh: | and sudo alsactl store |
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| [06:32:38] | sidh: | IT WORKS WITH THIS METHOD |
| [06:33:13] | sidh: | last thing to investigate: why it takes so much time whan dvb-t channel zapping |
| [06:33:22] | sidh: | s/whan/when |
| [06:49:05] | dserban_: | what's a good channel to discuss codecs/transcoding/merging/splitting/ripping/writing media? :s |
| [07:02:21] | sidh: | what are the specific word to google for this problem : time interval while changing channel with dvb-t card |
| [07:02:59] | iamlindoro: | "Give up now" and "welcome to mythtv, that's just how it works" |
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| [07:48:44] | jst_home: | does anyone know if someone's working on a commercial flagger that could use more than one cpu at a time? |
| [07:50:36] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
| [07:52:00] | wagnerrp: | its not like commflagging is time critical |
| [07:52:32] | [R]: | realtime flagging... |
| [07:52:58] | wagnerrp: | any halfway decent processor should manage realtime commflagging on anything but h264 content |
| [07:53:16] | jst_home: | yeah, and to have commercials flagged earlier for recordings... In particular, for 1080i recordings it takes its sweet time on a single cpu |
| [07:53:31] | jst_home: | right, I've got nothing but h264 here |
| [07:54:05] | wagnerrp: | the decode prior to commflagging is not handled multithreaded? |
| [07:54:20] | wagnerrp: | well... i guess it would only be for sliced content |
| [07:54:25] | wagnerrp: | which seems to be rare for recordings |
| [07:54:33] | justinh: | not in Europe |
| [07:54:43] | justinh: | broadcast h.264 is generally slicey :) |
| [07:54:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought i heard BBC HD was unsliced |
| [07:55:03] | wagnerrp: | but i guess theres lots of h264 DVB sources |
| [07:55:07] | justinh: | it *was* sliced |
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| [07:55:32] | justinh: | hence all the fuss about getting multithreaded decoding into 0.21 :) |
| [07:55:46] | justinh: | how quickly people forget |
| [07:55:51] | jst_home: | all my content is coming from an HD-PVR, I don't know what sliced vs not means here, so I don't know what I've got... |
| [07:55:53] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, its probably a fairly simple tweek to get multithreaded decoding into mythcommflag |
| [07:55:58] | justinh: | jst_home: non-sliced |
| [07:56:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah... HDPVR, youre SOL until the ffmpeg-mt stuff comes through |
| [07:56:21] | jst_home: | ah, ok... |
| [07:56:26] | justinh: | jst_home: just means the stream is capable of being decoded by multiple processes on the fly :) |
| [07:56:34] | wagnerrp: | or someone decides to mix VDPAU into mythcommflag |
| [07:56:40] | justinh: | eesh |
| [07:56:51] | jst_home: | ah, interesting |
| [07:57:06] | jst_home: | are there speculations as to when ffmpeg-mt stuff is coming out? |
| [07:57:07] | wagnerrp: | specifically, that the video is split into multiple independent domains, that can be decoded independently |
| [07:57:25] | jst_home: | makes sense |
| [07:57:39] | wagnerrp: | ive heard the ffmpeg-mt stuff may be ready in time for sync into 0.23 |
| [07:57:42] | justinh: | jst_home: not only that but you'll have to wait for the mt stuff to be incorporated into ffmpeg proper, then wait for mythtv to sync with it |
| [07:57:56] | jst_home: | right, ok |
| [07:57:58] | jst_home: | thanks guys |
| [07:58:04] | justinh: | so around the beginning of next year. Ish |
| [07:58:18] | jst_home: | cool |
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| [07:58:35] | ** jst_home needs to get to bed... ** | |
| [07:58:37] | justinh: | commflagging. Pah |
| [07:59:32] | wagnerrp: | has anyone actually tried pulling uncompressed video back out of VDPAU? |
| [08:00:03] | justinh: | tbh it's more likely a job for CUDA |
| [08:00:26] | justinh: | doubt there's any access to uncompressed video once it's been decoded |
| [08:00:30] | wagnerrp: | well... then you have to write a decoder inside CUDA, instead of taking one already put together |
| [08:00:58] | wagnerrp: | i thought there was some allowance to pull the decompressed 'textures' back out of the card |
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| [08:01:20] | justinh: | if there is, why is anybody bothering about HDCP in the windows driver? ;) |
| [08:02:03] | wagnerrp: | probably because the windows driver locks out access to that |
| [08:02:13] | justinh: | maybe |
| [08:02:31] | justinh: | realtime commflagging anyway. FFS. total misuse of a PVR :P |
| [08:03:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont know... ill often start watching a show about halfway through |
| [08:03:31] | clever: | youd need to decode the stream in vdpau twice |
| [08:03:39] | justinh: | thankfully our ad breaks are all pretty much the same length :D |
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| [08:03:50] | clever: | one decoder working near the tail end to flag ahead of you |
| [08:03:53] | justinh: | 4 mins, give or take a few seconds either way |
| [08:03:58] | clever: | and a 2nd decoder for actual playback |
| [08:04:08] | justinh: | clever: bloody hell. good point |
| [08:04:31] | clever: | so youll need double the power in the card, or 2 cards (maybe one in the backend) |
| [08:04:46] | justinh: | which'll be why nobody's bothered even looking at it yet.. or summink |
| [08:04:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont think VDPAU supports multiple streams at the moment |
| [08:05:00] | justinh: | last I heard it was close |
| [08:05:18] | wagnerrp: | and as far as the decoder, there is no 'double the power' |
| [08:05:26] | clever: | also, ive heard that parts of the flagger are designed to review the entire file before flagging |
| [08:05:27] | wagnerrp: | they all seem to have the same decode performance |
| [08:05:32] | clever: | so it cant work well in real time |
| [08:05:50] | justinh: | but it sounds so cool! |
| [08:06:02] | justinh: | never mind if it really works or not, it's DIGGable :P |
| [08:06:12] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but decoding 2 streams at once would be double the load, is 1 1080 only 50% loading it atm? |
| [08:06:27] | justinh: | clever: always depends on the stream complexity AFAIK |
| [08:06:33] | clever: | that too |
| [08:06:45] | clever: | but its a bit of a black box, so you cant get a GPU usage % |
| [08:07:03] | wagnerrp: | clever: but its not the GPU doing it |
| [08:07:05] | justinh: | there are those people who care about livetv, and those who don't. I mean like they REALLY don't, and wish people would stop wasting precious development time on it |
| [08:07:32] | Eldegast: | I have a question about 0.22, I just upgraded yesterday to avenards trunk and noticed I can delete files in mythvideo but the files are owned by the user myth but the script that deletes the file needs the file to be owned by mythtv, anyone know what script is being used so I could modify it a bit ? |
| [08:07:43] | clever: | justinh: ive edited my menu xml to remove livetv from the main menu |
| [08:07:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: quiet you... almost finished implementing livetv in the python bindings |
| [08:07:55] | justinh: | same with commflagging, until such time as somebody reworks it to find commercials on UK channels |
| [08:08:03] | justinh: | Eldegast: there is no 0.22 |
| [08:08:19] | justinh: | Eldegast: there is no 'script' which deletes files |
| [08:08:41] | justinh: | the user you run mythfrontend as has to have permission to modify files in order to erm.. modify them. Or it can't |
| [08:08:42] | wagnerrp: | and if the files are not owned by the user running the frontend, thats up to you to fix |
| [08:09:24] | justinh: | or in the case of storage groups the delete would be performed by the backend.. and the user mythbackend runs as must have permission to modify/delete files |
| [08:09:36] | Eldegast: | Ok |
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| [08:09:52] | wagnerrp: | (not that im actually doing to do anything with livetv through the bindings, i more want it to test that channels can still be tuned successfully) |
| [08:09:54] | Eldegast: | justinh I think your last message answers my question |
| [08:09:56] | justinh: | personally I think putting file deletion in mythvideo is a mistake |
| [08:10:09] | Eldegast: | How so ? |
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| [08:10:35] | justinh: | do I really need to explain my misgivings about allowing any user to delete files as they see fit? |
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| [08:11:10] | Eldegast: | I suppose not, still I find it practical |
| [08:11:19] | Eldegast: | if not secure |
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| [08:11:21] | justinh: | right now all my media is shared from the backend machine and mounted read only on the frontend |
| [08:11:37] | justinh: | no need to fix permissions to preserve anything :) |
| [08:12:07] | justinh: | we could add a setting to disable mythvideo deletion ability I guess, but we don't need more frickin settings :) |
| [08:12:53] | justinh: | then again, my wife doesn't delete stuff when she's watched it so I don't expect to have many problems with disappearing videos |
| [08:13:46] | Eldegast: | Same here, but I guess a few years my children might by "accident" |
| [08:14:11] | justinh: | just make sure there's no way for em to do it & they won't ;) |
| [08:14:25] | Eldegast: | Anyone else running .22 from avenards trunk ? |
| [08:14:38] | justinh: | there is NO .22 |
| [08:14:42] | Eldegast: | how so ? |
| [08:14:55] | justinh: | because 0.22 will be the NEXT RELEASE |
| [08:14:59] | justinh: | which hasn't happened yet |
| [08:15:13] | justinh: | anybody calling it 0.22 is wrong. It's TRUNK |
| [08:15:24] | Eldegast: | ok so just avenards trunk then |
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| [08:16:35] | justinh: | you obviously have some other issue you need help with, and jya isn't here right now |
| [08:19:03] | Eldegast: | Not really anything major, wondering if the qmutex problem was fixed in the latest rev. |
| [08:19:16] | wagnerrp: | what problem would that be? |
| [08:20:03] | justinh: | readers of the -dev & -commits mailing lists would be more clued up – which really ANY user of trunk should follow |
| [08:20:47] | justinh: | and, and all users of trunk should follow those lists religiously |
| [08:21:50] | Eldegast: | I'll have a look at those, thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| [08:22:24] | Eldegast: | I usually use release level stuff but wanted to try trunkk because life vfelt too simple |
| [08:22:40] | justinh: | I wish all the packages of trunk would FOAD tbh |
| [08:23:00] | justinh: | like it's that much time & effort to build it yourself. Meh |
| [08:23:46] | justinh: | There's an argument in there somewhere about exposing trunk to more testing, but I doubt anybody has seen many good bug reports from those kind of testers |
| [08:24:21] | wagnerrp: | i like one i saw on the ubuntu list earlier today |
| [08:24:40] | wagnerrp: | 'my backend and frontend differ in backend protocol revision' |
| [08:24:53] | justinh: | lol. they had it coming |
| [08:24:55] | wagnerrp: | that was a ticket, in their bug tracking system! |
| [08:25:18] | wagnerrp: | how does that person not get bitchslapped, and their internet rights revoked |
| [08:25:34] | justinh: | hmmm. Be pretty hard work to make that happen in a packaged environment |
| [08:25:48] | wagnerrp: | they updated one, but not the other |
| [08:25:51] | wagnerrp: | two different machines |
| [08:26:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nah, that kind of thing gets you fellated over at Canonical towers |
| [08:26:22] | justinh: | "thankyou for your valid contribution" |
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| [08:26:35] | justinh: | "your opinion matters to us" :P |
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| [08:32:09] | justinh: | maybe ultimately the friendly, moral high-ground route will win. I for one hope it doesn't :P |
| [08:34:54] | justinh: | ho ho ho. confusion on the -users list about 'connecting the video source to the tuner(s)' |
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| [08:35:35] | justinh: | must be our British (logical) way of thinking. He thought the helpful guy meant the coax cable, not the 'input connections' setting |
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| [08:35:46] | wagnerrp: | bah!... 20 minutes wasted trying to figure out why something wasnt working |
| [08:35:52] | wagnerrp: | it was pulling the wrong variable |
| [08:36:04] | justinh: | what's with all the xbmc people sitting out in here these days? |
| [08:36:19] | wagnerrp: | devs or users? |
| [08:36:23] | justinh: | both |
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| [08:37:06] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [08:37:28] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [08:37:35] | wagnerrp: | he had just previously quit |
| [08:37:46] | wagnerrp: | i thought he poped in here on mention of xbmc |
| [08:37:54] | justinh: | that's all they seem to do. like an XBMC advert or something |
| [08:39:51] | justinh: | hmmm. that mythtv twitter script is only a user job. How disappointing |
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| [09:16:25] | PhoenixMage: | Hey guys |
| [09:16:39] | PhoenixMage: | Does MythWeb trunk support storage groups? |
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| [09:33:37] | prupert: | hi, hope this isn't a sill question, I've tried searching on the wiki and through the mailing lists but haven't found an answer yet. Is there a config file for mythcommflag that is user editable and if so, where is it stored? |
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| [09:35:51] | justinh: | there are no config files for any mythtv functions |
| [09:36:20] | justinh: | all mythcomflagging methods are hard coded & we merely choose which methods are employed |
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| [09:37:15] | prupert: | oh, ok, fair enough, I'll use comskip instead then, I just wanted to check, since mythcommflag is better intergrated. cheers for the answer |
| [09:37:34] | justinh: | whut? |
| [09:37:47] | justinh: | comskip? |
| [09:38:02] | prupert: | yeah, its a Windows app, but you can use it via Wine apparently |
| [09:38:05] | justinh: | meh |
| [09:38:09] | justinh: | 4 right arrow |
| [09:38:13] | justinh: | 4 right arrow |
| [09:38:24] | prupert: | http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/ |
| [09:38:24] | justinh: | saves loads of time, works 95% of the time :) |
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| [09:38:47] | justinh: | and that actually works on UK channels like ITV? |
| [09:38:50] | prupert: | lols, I guess so, but hey, its keep me busy during the evenings messing with configs |
| [09:38:55] | justinh: | and FIVE? |
| [09:38:58] | prupert: | yeah, it is actually not so bad |
| [09:39:09] | prupert: | there is a special UK-based config avaialble |
| [09:39:21] | prupert: | that generally works ok |
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| [09:39:36] | justinh: | needless to say, if any devs in the UK gave a toss about commflagging it'd already have been addressed :) |
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| [09:40:23] | prupert: | i guess so, it isn't really so much of a problem, as we have much less adverts than in the USA, i guess advert skipping is more a hobby than a necessity in the uk |
| [09:40:39] | justinh: | hobby? ROFL |
| [09:40:56] | justinh: | take up stamp collecting or train spotting instead. more kudos there |
| [09:41:11] | prupert: | I loves me some config editing, same goes for trying to get ffmpeg or mencoder to play nice – you can always improve it |
| [09:41:20] | justinh: | or just plug yer brain in & watch less commercial TV :D |
| [09:41:52] | prupert: | sadly BBC programs have gone so down hill, the only good stuff is only on commercial TV |
| [09:41:59] | justinh: | I disagree |
| [09:42:18] | justinh: | but I'm a snob & I always have been :D |
| [09:42:26] | prupert: | really, you ever seen Strictly Come Dancing... |
| [09:42:30] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:42:37] | justinh: | like I said I'm a snob ;-) |
| [09:42:48] | prupert: | aha, you have been spared then ;) |
| [09:42:50] | justinh: | saturday night TV is for people who are too sad to go out |
| [09:43:09] | prupert: | or too old – and have kids – like me |
| [09:43:20] | justinh: | put me down if that ever happens. I mean it |
| [09:43:31] | PhoenixMage: | Why do I get multiple instances of the same show through UPnP on Windows Media Player |
| [09:43:33] | justinh: | there's always something better to do than watch telly :) |
| [09:44:02] | prupert: | believe me, it will, you think you are all young and full of energy, then you hit 30, you make wierd noises whenever you bend and nappies rule your life |
| [09:44:07] | justinh: | I hoped that SCD would crash & burn but it seems that some people actually remember ballroom dancing |
| [09:44:12] | justinh: | what? |
| [09:44:15] | justinh: | I'm 37 |
| [09:44:15] | gbee: | because WMP sucks? |
| [09:44:35] | prupert: | ahh, bugger, you make me feel old now and I'm only 32. oops |
| [09:44:41] | PhoenixMage: | Valid assumption |
| [09:44:44] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:45:02] | justinh: | my wife is old before her time too, don't worry about it |
| [09:45:27] | prupert: | @PhoenixMage – have you tried using XBMC to access UPnP to see if the same thing happens, just and idea |
| [09:45:31] | justinh: | I should have spotted the signs when I met her. She read 'Take a break', not Heat magazine :P |
| [09:45:49] | prupert: | LOLS Take A Break, you should have run a mile!! |
| [09:45:59] | PhoenixMage: | No, I havent |
| [09:46:02] | PhoenixMage: | I'll do that |
| [09:46:09] | justinh: | yeah but on the plus side she's not a shallow money grabbing snake with tits |
| [09:46:25] | prupert: | its got decent UPnP support I think, so that should help you work out if it is WMP or Myth |
| [09:46:31] | justinh: | ;) |
| [09:46:31] | justinh: | ahem |
| [09:46:33] | PhoenixMage: | Any takers on if Storage groups work in mythweb trunk |
| [09:46:36] | PhoenixMage: | ? |
| [09:46:42] | justinh: | WMP does indeed suck |
| [09:46:59] | justinh: | Nero's Upnp thingy sucks less but that's not saying very much |
| [09:46:59] | prupert: | that's a benefit I guess |
| [09:47:05] | justinh: | showcenter or whatever |
| [09:48:38] | prupert: | Righty, time to go, thanks for the advice justinh – and I clearly gotta get out more ;) |
| [09:49:00] | justinh: | get a season pass :P |
| [09:49:06] | justinh: | have it stamped in advance |
| [09:49:26] | prupert: | 10 4 |
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| [09:51:35] | justinh: | PhoenixMage: I suspect not. How would they? Mythweb always just used to link to video files. And the flash player still only operates on recordings |
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| [09:57:55] | PhoenixMage: | justinh: yeah, but it shows the thumbnails |
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| [10:48:51] | justinh: | oh noes! tickets for this year's LRL have sold out |
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| [10:49:21] | portablejim: | My mythtv has stopped working. I can now only get partial locks for channels. Recordings do not record (the files are not there). Anybody have suggestions as to how to get it working? |
| [10:49:48] | justinh: | sounds like a tuner card driver or a signal issue to me |
| [10:50:21] | justinh: | missing firmware? upgraded the kernel & didn't rebuild home-made modules? etc etc etc etc |
| [10:51:45] | justinh: | no suggestions on how to get it working without an appraisal of what is actually wrong with it |
| [10:52:26] | portablejim: | landed in #mythtv and was reminded to come here. But gbee did suggest re-scanning. I'll try that. |
| [10:53:10] | justinh: | no mention of what you've changed, updated, tried so far etc. Yay |
| [10:53:42] | portablejim: | as to what is wring with it, I was looking for some diagnostic tips (e.g. where the log file is). |
| [10:53:54] | justinh: | log file location depends on your distro |
| [10:54:00] | justinh: | usually /var/log/mythtv |
| [10:54:33] | justinh: | but as I said it's probably hardware or tuner related. unless you just need to rescan. |
| [10:56:18] | justinh: | diagnosis tips: try another program & see if stuff works in that. If yes, then you have a mythtv related issue. If not, then it's the hardware/firmware. This isn't rocket science |
| [10:57:00] | portablejim: | Somehow I had missed the log folder. |
| [10:57:03] | justinh: | we recently had a big rehash of channel lineups in the UK. maybe you were affected too, but you never said where you are |
| [10:57:41] | portablejim: | Australia. |
| [10:58:03] | justinh: | the point I'm trying to get across here is that you really should give a little more background to the problem if you want folks to help as much as possible. Vague questions lead to similarly vague (or no) responses |
| [10:58:36] | gnarface: | ooh ooh i love jumping into the middle of the argument without reading the back log |
| [10:58:48] | justinh: | what argument? |
| [10:59:10] | justinh: | helping people out here is tough enough without having to squeeze info out of people :P |
| [10:59:28] | portablejim: | Not having the log file made my very much in the dark as to what the problem was. |
| [10:59:36] | gnarface: | portablejim: what he is saying is that your problem would be obvious if your father had slapped you enough as a child |
| [10:59:54] | justinh: | gnarface: no I'm not. jesus |
| [11:01:33] | justinh: | I'm saying be less vague when you ask for help. To everybody |
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| [11:06:33] | portablejim: | I think I will purge mythtv and reinstall. I have no clue what the problem is. |
| [11:07:22] | portablejim: | What will purging the installation delete? |
| [11:07:31] | justinh: | that won't necessarily solve anything |
| [11:07:41] | justinh: | infact it's more than likely it will NOT solve anything |
| [11:07:53] | gnarface: | *sigh* see they really don't get it justinh |
| [11:08:05] | gnarface: | portablejim: plug your gamecube into the capture card then fire up tvtime |
| [11:08:14] | gnarface: | if that works then the problem is mythtv |
| [11:08:18] | gnarface: | otherwise your hardware is jacked |
| [11:08:29] | justinh: | portablejim: I assume you're using dvb-t yes? |
| [11:08:34] | portablejim: | yes. |
| [11:08:44] | justinh: | portablejim: stop mythbackend, install kaffeine & see if you can use that without any problems |
| [11:09:43] | justinh: | and erm.. pop the output of the backend log into a pastebin. Users often complain they can't see anything wrong in their log files. Let us be the judge of that, having had the experience of seeing lots of log output |
| [11:11:48] | justinh: | the problem here is, so many things might be wrong. you don't know what's wrong, we certainly don't know what's wrong either but by working through the problem methodically (wooo big word) it shouldn't be too tricky |
| [11:12:14] | portablejim: | How much log output do you want? (it is 122MB). |
| [11:12:26] | gnarface: | what the hell? |
| [11:12:27] | justinh: | since the last time it was restarted |
| [11:12:38] | gnarface: | not using logrotate? |
| [11:13:11] | justinh: | or wipe the log file & restart mythbackend |
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| [11:13:35] | justinh: | or, start mythbackend & tell it to log to a more local place |
| [11:13:58] | gnarface: | hahaha |
| [11:14:04] | gnarface: | ok portablejim lemme show you a trick |
| [11:14:06] | gnarface: | open a terminal |
| [11:14:20] | justinh: | /quit |
| [11:14:20] | gnarface: | then type: tail -f [logfile] |
| [11:14:24] | justinh: | damn spacebar |
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| [11:14:41] | gnarface: | once you've done that, |
| [11:14:50] | gnarface: | stop then start mythwhatever |
| [11:14:54] | gnarface: | and do whatever it was that was failing |
| [11:15:00] | gnarface: | keep an eye on the terminal |
| [11:15:14] | gnarface: | paste anything that the tail -f job outputs while you're doing it into pastebin |
| [11:15:45] | gnarface: | wait till justinh gets over his rage and comes back then show him the link |
| [11:15:47] | gnarface: | ok? |
| [11:16:31] | gnarface: | that should be the first step for just about any debugging effort |
| [11:16:38] | gnarface: | tail -f [logfile] |
| [11:16:41] | gnarface: | you just need to know the log file |
| [11:16:54] | portablejim: | Found the bloat. Same error repeated more than 5000 times. |
| [11:17:44] | gnarface: | fyi there is an option *somewhere* to have your loggers ignore repeated messages and just say the message once then it would auto-enter a line like "(last message repeated 5000 times)" |
| [11:17:56] | gnarface: | i'll leave finding it as an exercise to the reader |
| [11:19:34] | gnarface: | also, never tail your logs as root unless you trust everyone in the world |
| [11:20:16] | mzb: | portablejim, have a look for femon |
| [11:20:41] | mzb: | ps: I'm .tas.au ... if you're not averse to chatting to the poorer of my two hears ;) |
| [11:20:50] | mzb: | s/heads ! |
| [11:21:12] | mzb: | iirc, femon is part of dvb-utils |
| [11:21:22] | portablejim: | Lots of Repeated log mesages. Lots from when I was playing with the database connect settings, which just made it break more. |
| [11:21:37] | mzb: | manually tune with tzap on command line, then in another shell run femon for that tuner |
| [11:22:39] | mzb: | if your tuner (or the code for it!) returns meaningful data about thing like LOCK, signal strength ... etc ... then it's something in mythtv rather than a large bird sitting on your aerial ;) |
| [11:23:00] | mzb: | if the former then rescanning will help |
| [11:23:15] | mzb: | if the latter then build yourself a HEAVIER AERIAL ;) |
| [11:23:18] | mzb: | brb2 |
| [11:24:14] | portablejim: | does the following code mean anything special?: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [11:24:41] | gnarface: | it clearly means *something* special |
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| [11:28:09] | mzb: | not as far as you tuning issues go |
| [11:28:50] | mzb: | s/your |
| [11:29:12] | ** mzb pours more red wine into the keyboard for lubrication ** | |
| [11:29:16] | portablejim: | log down to 131Kb. |
| [11:29:31] | mzb: | femon |
| [11:29:35] | mzb: | + tzap |
| [11:29:43] | mzb: | after a "scan" |
| [11:30:51] | mzb: | ie: use command line to find out if the error is at the software end (mythtv-related) or at the hardware end (tuner, firmware, aerial, splitter, wet string has dried out) |
| [11:31:50] | mzb: | => by using other (very basic) software |
| [11:32:20] | gnarface: | xawtv tvtime? |
| [11:32:32] | gnarface: | vlc? |
| [11:32:43] | gnarface: | cat /dev/video0? |
| [11:32:45] | mzb: | scan + tzap + femon |
| [11:33:16] | portablejim: | what is the first thing you want me to do? |
| [11:33:28] | mzb: | if he's talking about partial locks then he's talking digital ... he's .au so it's DVB-T |
| [11:33:47] | mzb: | $ scan ${INSERT ARGS HERE} |
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| [11:34:00] | gnarface: | man scan? |
| [11:34:02] | mzb: | $ scan ${INSERT ARGS HERE} > my_channel_test.conf |
| [11:34:42] | mzb: | $ tzap ${FORGET THE ARGS} my_channel_test "ABC" |
| [11:34:45] | mzb: | (or similar) |
| [11:34:55] | mzb: | then go to another shell and do |
| [11:35:27] | mzb: | $ femon -a ${adapter number} -H (or similar) |
| [11:36:03] | mzb: | if that shows LOCK and good signal strength then you've got other issues (possibly the mythtv scanner) |
| [11:36:26] | portablejim: | I don't know which one to do, as no scan file matches my location. |
| [11:36:55] | simonckenyon: | then try w_scan |
| [11:37:02] | mzb: | anything nearby will do (ie: the same state) |
| [11:37:21] | gnarface: | austrailia has states? |
| [11:37:52] | simonckenyon: | as justin might sat – wtf? |
| [11:38:00] | mzb: | eg: if your aerial is pointed at a digital relay rather than the main transmitter mythtv will get confused (something to do with UK DVB devotees believing that .au use techniques "outside the standard" ... I believe) |
| [11:38:05] | simonckenyon: | s/sat/say/ |
| [11:38:15] | portablejim: | they are all on the coast. I am inland (~500km). |
| [11:38:25] | mzb: | do it anyway |
| [11:38:36] | mzb: | state/town ? |
| [11:38:57] | gnarface: | i always liked "province" |
| [11:39:02] | portablejim: | Dubbo NSW. |
| [11:39:07] | mzb: | it's only an "initial tuning file" ... not set in concrete |
| [11:39:30] | mzb: | so use an "initial tuning file" from the closest you can find |
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| [11:41:42] | portablejim: | results of scan: ERROR: initial tuning failed |
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| [11:42:43] | mzb: | try as root |
| [11:43:56] | portablejim: | no different. |
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| [11:44:50] | mzb: | and you've had dvb-t working before in mythtv? |
| [11:44:58] | mzb: | what about on a set top box? |
| [11:45:46] | mzb: | I get the impression that Dubbo has a low power digital relay in the High UHF band ... you have a band 5 (?) antenna? |
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| [11:47:27] | portablejim: | Myth tv working before: yes. antenna type: Not sure. set-top-box: no. |
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| [11:49:12] | mzb: | you have no other method of testing that the aerial is still working? |
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| [11:49:49] | portablejim: | Our normal tv works fine. |
| [11:49:55] | justinh: | and before *what*? when? |
| [11:50:26] | justinh: | is your TV digital? does it have a dvb-t tuner integrated within it? |
| [11:51:24] | mzb: | what was the command line you used for scan? |
| [11:51:59] | gbee: | could be the card has failed, it happens – just ask stuarta |
| [11:52:07] | portablejim: | Before="a few days ago". The only Digital TV receiver is my TV tuner. |
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| [11:52:49] | justinh: | what about if you try making sure that the dvb-t card is the only thing connected to the aerial? trying a different cable.. |
| [11:53:05] | mzb: | what was the command line you used for scan? |
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| [11:53:34] | portablejim: | sudo scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au- > Desktop/my_channel_test.conf |
| [11:53:57] | mzb: | au-${WHAT} ??? what is the "WHAT" ?? |
| [11:54:15] | ** mzb wonders if this "before a few days ago" has anything to do with the sudden loss of reception ** | |
| [11:54:20] | justinh: | digital TV services always seem to be in flux. it could be that your local multiplexes have moved & are outside the range your aerial is sensitive to |
| [11:54:33] | justinh: | or a mouse may have chewed through the coax |
| [11:54:36] | mzb: | reverse your changes (ie: unplug splitters and go back to what you had) |
| [11:54:39] | portablejim: | sudo scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/au-Sydney_Kings_Cross > Desktop/my_channel_test.conf |
| [11:54:46] | mzb: | NO |
| [11:54:52] | mzb: | country ... CLOSER |
| [11:54:57] | mzb: | not city |
| [11:55:27] | justinh: | just saying is all. without eliminating all the possibilities ;-) |
| [11:57:17] | mzb: | :) |
| [11:57:58] | mzb: | or ... wet string has dried out ... bird has sat on aerial ... or user has added splitter for the new device added "a few days ago" ! ;) |
| [11:58:41] | justinh: | or user has done $somethingelseheforgottotellusabout |
| [11:58:53] | justinh: | need input :) |
| [11:59:05] | portablejim: | the setup is exactly the same. |
| [11:59:32] | mzb: | portablejim, have a try with WaggaWagga or Newcastle |
| [11:59:48] | justinh: | we'd always like to assume that things have stayed the same – which would probably be logical to you – but believe me there's often a lot of info people leave out – which after a couple of hours turns out to be the source of their problems all along ;) |
| [11:59:59] | mzb: | what happens when you do a channel scan in mythtv? |
| [12:00:20] | mzb: | (it's prudent to point out the bleeding obvious just in case;) |
| [12:01:06] | mzb: | particularly as I want to watch Transformers ;) [and I don't need good/bad reviews about it PRIOR TO WATCHING IT ... thanks!] |
| [12:01:54] | mzb: | (it started hours ago, but I decided to have a bath with an empty beer barrel that I've been .... I'd better leave that there ;)) |
| [12:01:57] | justinh: | there are better ways to waste 90 minutes or so |
| [12:02:10] | mzb: | movie or bath? |
| [12:02:21] | mzb: | 11pm ... time to wind down :) |
| [12:02:29] | justinh: | I'd much rather bathe in beer than watch transformers ;) |
| [12:02:33] | mzb: | (ie: waste time) |
| [12:02:34] | mzb: | hehe |
| [12:02:50] | mzb: | yeah ... so you see I've already done the first one :) |
| [12:02:53] | portablejim: | where are you mzb? |
| [12:02:56] | mzb: | what's left? |
| [12:02:58] | mzb: | .tas.au |
| [12:03:00] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:03:44] | mzb: | btw justinh ... the pre/post-scripts work _brilliantly_ for dimming :) |
| [12:03:47] | justinh: | I think the movie would be improved significantly by not having Le Boef in it, and more nekkid chicks |
| [12:04:09] | ** mzb starts thinking about getting out of his chair ** | |
| [12:04:20] | mzb: | more? |
| [12:04:27] | justinh: | ok then. ANY |
| [12:04:33] | mzb: | bugger ;) |
| [12:04:46] | justinh: | least none were in the cut I've seen |
| [12:04:57] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [12:05:11] | justinh: | hey with all this digital malarkey they could so easily do different rated versions in a snip |
| [12:05:24] | mzb: | it's a bit like listening to the results of the race before it's finished :| |
| [12:05:47] | justinh: | what do you expect in a 12 rated film? ;-) |
| [12:05:52] | mzb: | so now I know there are no naked chicks ... less to look forward to now :) |
| [12:05:56] | portablejim: | scan trying WaggaWagga and Newcastle both failed. |
| [12:06:12] | mzb: | I suspect your issues are elsewhere |
| [12:06:15] | justinh: | oo threaded mythui image loading |
| [12:06:38] | justinh: | portablejim: try to borrow a dvb-t STB for half an hour & see if it works on the same aerial connection |
| [12:06:49] | justinh: | or see if you can take your box to a neighbour & try there |
| [12:07:06] | mzb: | *and* write down the frequencies + signal strength for each channel ;) |
| [12:07:09] | justinh: | with all these unknowns you're totally in the dark & there's not much anybody can do |
| [12:07:52] | portablejim: | mythtv shows it hovering round 10%-20% |
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| [12:08:04] | justinh: | right now it looks like a) a problem with the aerial and/or cabling; b) the tuner card c) drivers/firmware etc |
| [12:08:32] | justinh: | what mythtv gets from the tuner card driver about signal quality is more often than not a lie |
| [12:08:46] | portablejim: | I won't loose much nuking mythtv and starting again. |
| [12:08:55] | justinh: | you'll be wasting your time |
| [12:09:14] | justinh: | nuking mythtv will achieve *nothing* if basic stuff like dvb-utils scan doesn't work |
| [12:09:34] | justinh: | the tuner card could be FUBAR for all you know right now |
| [12:10:21] | mzb: | portablejim, what tuner(s) are you using? |
| [12:10:23] | justinh: | honestly you'll be better off establishing some known quantities first |
| [12:10:30] | mzb: | agreed |
| [12:11:28] | justinh: | my backend fell over last year & when it came up the signal was all over the place. First thing I checked was the new aerial connecting cables I'd made a few months earlier. Turned out to be those. They just failed |
| [12:11:53] | justinh: | always look for the most simple solution first :) |
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| [12:12:21] | mzb: | are you using something nice and stable like a DTV1000T, or something more "unusual" like a Dvico DualDigital 4 (v2) ... or even worse, a cheap USB tuner from DealsDirect|DealExtreme |
| [12:12:34] | portablejim: | Asus MyCinema U3100 Mini USB DVB-T Digital TV Tuner (see http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV_Ha . . . ital_tuners) |
| [12:12:46] | mzb: | I'm familiar with it |
| [12:12:58] | mzb: | done a kernel upgrade recently? |
| [12:14:04] | mzb: | re-checked your connections? (the connector on the U3100 is ... let's say ... a bit weak) |
| [12:14:07] | justinh: | it's possible automagical updates can do that kind of thing |
| [12:14:28] | justinh: | which is why my backend has about 50 million updates waiting :P |
| [12:14:44] | mzb: | :) |
| [12:14:52] | justinh: | but hey, it ain't broken |
| [12:15:03] | PhoenixMage: | Whats the difference between running another box as a slave backend and just running a front end off your master? |
| [12:15:10] | mzb: | well, the mythtv portion of it isn't ;)) |
| [12:15:34] | justinh: | heheh |
| [12:15:36] | justinh: | true |
| [12:15:46] | portablejim: | not sure. I keep my computer up to date. I'll try a later kernel. |
| [12:15:51] | justinh: | freenx server keeps leaving processes lying around after it |
| [12:15:52] | portablejim: | *earlier |
| [12:15:54] | justinh: | arghhh |
| [12:16:10] | PhoenixMage: | portablejim: I am using the U3100 |
| [12:16:19] | PhoenixMage: | Kernel is 2.6.31 |
| [12:16:26] | justinh: | did you do an update just before it broke? You said nothing had changed – if that's the case it'll be something else to blame |
| [12:16:41] | PhoenixMage: | Acutally I am running 2 of them |
| [12:16:44] | justinh: | or maybe you updated a while ago & hadn't rebooted until just the other day |
| [12:16:47] | PhoenixMage: | work great :) |
| [12:16:59] | ** mzb 's second head grows bored and directs first head to get shared backside onto the couch ** | |
| [12:17:06] | portablejim: | see you in a bit. |
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| [12:17:28] | PhoenixMage: | so, whats the adv of running a slave backend? |
| [12:17:29] | ** justinh goes back to getting blood out of the stone. seems much easier ** | |
| [12:17:38] | mzb: | MOAR TUNERS |
| [12:17:45] | mzb: | (and/or storage) |
| [12:17:50] | GreyFoxx: | PhoenixMage: more pci slots, more cpu for commercial detection, more storage |
| [12:18:05] | mzb: | what he ^^ said ;) |
| [12:18:06] | PhoenixMage: | ok, thanks |
| [12:18:15] | justinh: | then again if all my tuners went dead I've no way to verify what happened either |
| [12:18:27] | justinh: | should prolly invest £20 in a freeview STB at some point |
| [12:18:42] | mzb: | I've got DVB tuners coming out of my ears now |
| [12:18:48] | PhoenixMage: | Is it possible to setup multiple transcode profiles? So for example I am can take a show to transcode for me to play back on my ipod? |
| [12:18:48] | mzb: | (and STB's) |
| [12:18:56] | justinh: | I've got more tuners – they're in a box in the attic |
| [12:19:03] | mzb: | PhoenixMage, user jobs |
| [12:19:12] | PhoenixMage: | cool thanks |
| [12:19:17] | PhoenixMage: | I'll look into it |
| [12:19:49] | simonckenyon: | w_scan will search the entire DVB-T spectrum and create an initial tuning file |
| [12:19:56] | mzb: | eg: I have "Lossless transcode" (even though I have "High Quality" set to lossless) and "Cut to videos" |
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| [12:20:34] | PhoenixMage: | mzb: you using flac for audio or something? |
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| [12:20:49] | mzb: | DVB-T == mpeg2 |
| [12:20:51] | PhoenixMage: | or analogue tuners? |
| [12:21:35] | PhoenixMage: | mzb: yeah, I know thats why I am confused as to why you are lossless transcoding |
| [12:21:52] | justinh: | 'lossless transcode' actually isn't quite what it sounds like. It's cutting an mpeg file with the minimum of re-encoding |
| [12:22:00] | mzb: | it's *fast*, I've got heaps of space .... |
| [12:22:06] | justinh: | i.e. almost lossless ;) |
| [12:22:27] | justinh: | it also does away with redundant streams in the file |
| [12:22:33] | portablejim: | Still does not work,even after going to an earlier kernel. |
| [12:22:33] | ** PhoenixMage wonders if MythVideo will play a ripped blu-ray he just made ** | |
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| [12:22:45] | mzb: | err ... in my case the user job "Lossless transcode" *is* lossless ... no transcoding as such ... just cutting |
| [12:22:55] | justinh: | portablejim: does dmesg report any problems with the dvb-t tuner driver? |
| [12:22:57] | PhoenixMage: | portablejim: What are you getting in dmesg in regards to the u3100? |
| [12:23:07] | mzb: | it's not the same as High Quality transcode (with high quality set to lossless) |
| [12:23:07] | PhoenixMage: | I compiled my own kernel for u3100 |
| [12:23:17] | justinh: | mzb: still lossy at boundaries that don't adjoin keyframes |
| [12:23:31] | mzb: | *blink* more often ;) |
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| [12:23:51] | justinh: | but only lossy in the sense it's being reencoded |
| [12:24:08] | PhoenixMage: | portablejim: run 'dmesg | grep -i asus' |
| [12:24:31] | mzb: | ooh .. suspended power switch |
| [12:25:08] | portablejim: | last line: dvb-usb: ASUS My Cinema U3100 Mini DVBT Tuner successfully initialized and connected. |
| [12:25:25] | mzb: | ls -l /dev/dvb/*/frontend0 |
| [12:25:49] | portablejim: | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 3 2009-10–06 23:24 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [12:26:20] | PhoenixMage: | portablejim: is your mythtv user in the video group? |
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| [12:26:52] | justinh: | tried making sure the PC tv tuner is the only thing on the aerial cable yet? how about moving it so there's less wire between the PC & the aerial? |
| [12:26:59] | mzb: | try scanning at other times of the day |
| [12:27:25] | justinh: | also, it's worth checking the tv company's engineering work info pages if they have em ;) |
| [12:27:31] | mzb: | (particularly as you're on a low power digital relay) |
| [12:27:40] | mzb: | hehe |
| [12:27:52] | justinh: | all these unknowns a STB would flatten in a few minutes :) |
| [12:28:12] | justinh: | I don't say this stuff for the sheer fun of it ya know |
| [12:28:48] | mzb: | "Snowy off sick (Bathurst weekend). Repair of damage to transmitter from bird guano delayed indefinitely." |
| [12:29:32] | portablejim: | I home an idea that may work: install the vendor software on a windows box and plug in the stick. |
| [12:30:06] | justinh: | if that doesn't work you're still none the wiser though |
| [12:30:29] | justinh: | and FWIW I've never met a linux driver less reliable than the windows version. Least not when it comes to TV tuners |
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| [12:30:52] | mzb: | if it does work, it at least proves that his aerial (kinda) works ;) |
| [12:30:59] | justinh: | true |
| [12:31:29] | mzb: | so apart from wasting (my!) time, it's not a *bad* idea ;) |
| [12:31:38] | ** mzb leaves the house ** | |
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| [12:32:53] | portablejim: | I found with my last Tv tuner (PCI) that mythtv was able to pick up 2 channels. Plugged it into a Windows box and all the channels (~8–10) were picked up and named. |
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| [12:33:42] | justinh: | yes but there are some stupid defaults with *some* linux tuner drivers |
| [12:34:05] | justinh: | like not enabling the feature it needs to work (Nova-T500 LNA activation for example) |
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| [12:37:07] | portablejim: | Maybe the first symptoms that something was going wrong, might help diagnose the problem. |
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| [12:37:44] | justinh: | oh, so it's not as if it's just stopped working all of a sudden? |
| [12:38:17] | justinh: | then again if the signal quality was deteriorating over a short period of time it doesn't narrow it down any |
| [12:38:36] | justinh: | it could still be the aerial, cabling or the tuner. pretty much rules out the software though |
| [12:39:05] | portablejim: | I found that I could not play recordings because the files were not there. |
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| [12:40:04] | justinh: | no further fowards |
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| [12:40:48] | justinh: | I mean if recordings were increasingly glitchy/blocky up until the day it failed totally... |
| [12:40:59] | ** mzb finds cheese, salami (!) and biscuits .... I'm out of here! ** | |
| [12:43:19] | portablejim: | Yes. I remember the last show I watched on it, it took 5–10 seconds to stabilise after fast forwarding through the ads. |
| [12:43:46] | ** PhoenixMage is hungry ** | |
| [12:44:21] | justinh: | try the stupid stuff like moving the PC to the first aerial socket in the house |
| [12:44:22] | justinh: | try different cables etc |
| [12:44:37] | justinh: | short of getting hold of a different tuner it's your only hope |
| [12:44:56] | PhoenixMage: | portablejim: what kernel are you running? |
| [12:45:16] | xand: | I have to use a signal booster to get freeview working |
| [12:45:27] | portablejim: | Linux version 2.6.28-14-generic (buildd@yellow) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3–5ubuntu4) ) #47-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jul 25 01:19:55 UTC 2009 |
| [12:46:33] | portablejim: | xand: where are you? |
| [12:46:40] | PhoenixMage: | thought of trying a livecd in the machine like mythbuntu to see how it goes? |
| [12:46:54] | xand: | in kent, and the tv signal is crap |
| [12:47:31] | justinh: | xand: it was working up until a few days ago |
| [12:47:39] | portablejim: | xand: kent?? |
| [12:47:52] | xand: | ... |
| [12:47:52] | justinh: | UK |
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| [12:48:05] | xand: | blame the weather :p |
| [12:48:30] | justinh: | blame the southerers not wanting high powered TV transmitters cos it'll spoil the view :P |
| [12:48:33] | justinh: | NIMBY! |
| [12:48:52] | xand: | no |
| [12:49:02] | xand: | it's because of the french |
| [12:49:14] | xand: | the power is turned down to avoid interfering with their tv |
| [12:49:33] | justinh: | well, serves you right for living there :P |
| [12:49:52] | justinh: | can't they repel the radio waves with garlic or something? |
| [12:50:21] | justinh: | xand: actually, blame the govt. and OFCOM. Mostly OFCOM :) |
| [12:50:55] | justinh: | if it wasn't for them we'd still be able to rely on good ole 4 channel analogue |
| [12:56:26] | gbee: | digital is IMHO good, but the way the transition is being abused by broadcasters to screw over viewers on quality/reception etc .... |
| [12:57:08] | gbee: | for that and many, many other offences I'd line OfCom up against the wall and they wouldn't be offered a final cigarette |
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| [12:57:56] | justinh: | time was when they'd consult techy nerdy geeks on the best course of action & actually do what they suggested |
| [12:58:25] | justinh: | we might only have 20 or so tv channels but they'd all at least be really good from a tech. quality standpoint |
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| [12:59:20] | gbee: | and 20 would be more than enough if you didn't allow crap like gambling/shopping and Sky channels |
| [13:00:04] | _ben: | i see we have vermin media crap on freeview now |
| [13:00:53] | Dibblah: | EIT checksums are used, but is there any other form of data validation on EIT data? |
| [13:00:57] | justinh: | virgin1 is neat. at least they show Chuck |
| [13:01:12] | gbee: | actually, I'd given Virgin a break, they are actually showing decent stuff like Chuck, whereas Sky Three is a waste of space |
| [13:01:13] | _ben: | no subtitles/captions tho |
| [13:01:17] | justinh: | when that ends though... |
| [13:01:22] | Dibblah: | Just wondering if we're seeing corrupted data causing backend crashes. |
| [13:01:37] | _ben: | gbee: but, road wars?! |
| [13:01:42] | Dibblah: | (Ticket 7251 |
| [13:01:47] | justinh: | _ben: no worse than ****ing SCD |
| [13:01:55] | justinh: | no worse than ****ing X-Factor |
| [13:02:43] | justinh: | Dibblah: my BE was more solid than a rock hard immovable thing til I started using EIT data. possibly coincidence & maybe not relevant since I use -fixes anyway |
| [13:03:20] | Dibblah: | Nothing much has changed in EIT handling in trunk. |
| [13:03:33] | gbee: | and generally I don't have a problem with Virgin, they don't phone up every week to sell me things I don't want like Sky or try to muscle other broadcasters around, snatch popular shows from terrestrial etc |
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| [13:04:00] | gbee: | Sky are bullies and I don't like bullies |
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| [13:04:14] | _ben: | i switched from EIT to xmltv, very cool |
| [13:04:52] | justinh: | gbee: and they don't have a sales force of liars going from door to door |
| [13:04:59] | justinh: | Sky do |
| [13:05:20] | gbee: | plus Virgin give me beautiful cable broadband instead the inferior ADSL |
| [13:05:23] | justinh: | I wanna catch them at it again & get evidence |
| [13:06:04] | _ben: | I'd take ADSL over vermin media's internet anyday |
| [13:06:26] | gbee: | justinh: aye, Sky aren't above lying habitually |
| [13:06:59] | justinh: | _ben: pah. steady as anything here. |
| [13:07:17] | justinh: | but then my area was one of the first in the country to get cabled internet |
| [13:07:30] | justinh: | living near manchester does have some advantages. |
| [13:07:54] | gbee: | I'd not swap cable for ADSL even if it was half the price and twice the speed (not that it will ever be faster) |
| [13:07:55] | _ben: | gun crime and cabled internet, you sure know how to sell an area :p |
| [13:08:23] | justinh: | gun crime? nah |
| [13:08:39] | justinh: | nothing on a par with birmingham or london |
| [13:09:30] | Dibblah: | Ewww. Unless I'm misunderstanding this, the EIT code trusts everything. |
| [13:09:55] | Dibblah: | No checking that starttime < endtime, starttime >now, etc. |
| [13:09:57] | justinh: | I thought it at least did CRC checks. sure I've seen fails in my logs |
| [13:10:01] | Dibblah: | It does. |
| [13:10:10] | justinh: | ahh I see what you mean now |
| [13:10:12] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:10:16] | Dibblah: | But the chance of passing a CRC is _very_ high. |
| [13:10:20] | justinh: | no sanity checking at all? |
| [13:10:29] | Dibblah: | If there is, I'm missing it. |
| [13:10:52] | Dibblah: | EITHelper::AddEIT |
| [13:11:01] | justinh: | or is the sanity checking done by code which actually does the updates? |
| [13:11:18] | Dibblah: | Uh. Ew? |
| [13:11:20] | Dibblah: | memcpy(tmp, eit->Descriptors(i), ev.desc_length); |
| [13:11:34] | Dibblah: | Yes, let's just trust the length given in the table. |
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| [13:12:10] | justinh: | couldn't that er.. lead to nasties like leaks? |
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| [13:12:51] | justinh: | actually I'll STFU about it cos I didn't get off my arse & write it, plus it's outside my remit |
| [13:13:07] | Dibblah: | And copying beyond the end of a buffer, etc? |
| [13:13:31] | justinh: | segfaulty? |
| [13:13:55] | gbee: | memory corruption, leading to segfaults |
| [13:14:47] | Dibblah: | Sorry – I'm not actually a code guy, so I'll but out here. |
| [13:14:57] | justinh: | wonder whatever happened to those nice freeview 'playback' features people made a song & dance about a while ago |
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| [13:15:15] | justinh: | from both sides – we were promised series links, trailer flags & all sorts |
| [13:15:42] | justinh: | AFAIK the series marking is in mythtv now but I've heard no tell of trailer metadata yet |
| [13:16:30] | justinh: | like what Sky do with their green button stuff – except myth would be able to use it while you're watching a recording ;) |
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| [13:16:59] | Dibblah: | gbee: It'd only really be stuarta / danielk22 on this, wouldn't it? |
| [13:17:54] | gbee: | janneg too, possibly |
| [13:20:12] | justinh: | hrm. no mention of freeview playback phase 3 since 2008 |
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| [13:22:16] | justinh: | gah. it got rebranded |
| [13:22:19] | justinh: | freeview+ |
| [13:24:03] | justinh: | and in the process they forgot all about the trailer link idea. BAH |
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| [13:33:40] | portablejim: | Windows did not find any channels. Have to sleep on it (the problem, not the tuner). |
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| [13:33:42] | janneg: | Dibblah: starttime vs. endtime sanity checking is unnecessary, eit has only starttime and unsigned length |
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| [13:34:50] | Dibblah: | Given the volume, I'm not so sure about explicitly trusting the input if it passes CRC. |
| [13:35:33] | Dibblah: | However, I'm finding the code rather difficult to follow, so can't get a good view of exactly what it's doing :( |
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| [13:41:58] | simonckenyon: | the eit stuff is very hard to follow – the freesat stuff was a nightmare |
| [13:42:18] | brad3: | morning guys |
| [13:42:49] | justinh: | simonckenyon: yeah but *they* made it a nightmare by encrypting it |
| [13:44:01] | simonckenyon: | well actually huffman encoding it in an undocumented way – not really encrypting – thankfully |
| [13:44:05] | justinh: | hmm maybe trailer linking isn't dead after all |
| [13:44:21] | justinh: | meant to say obsfurcating ;) |
| [13:44:31] | simonckenyon: | better |
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| [13:44:47] | simonckenyon: | i thought i saw stuff go in a while back that handling the linkage info |
| [13:45:06] | simonckenyon: | ugh s/handling/handled/ |
| [13:45:13] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Did you see jpabq got your favorite buttonlist patch working? :) |
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| [13:45:25] | tmkt: | hola..just upgraded from -fixes to trunk |
| [13:45:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: no. autowidth? |
| [13:45:32] | tmkt: | mythtv fe starts up and crashes |
| [13:45:34] | tmkt: | any ideas? |
| [13:45:39] | iamlindoro: | justinh, width/height/etc, yeah. http://www.fecitfacta.com/vbl-2.png |
| [13:45:52] | justinh: | I doubt he got my patch working somehow :P |
| [13:46:03] | iamlindoro: | heh, well "a" patch anyway |
| [13:46:25] | justinh: | still just a patch up to now? |
| [13:46:50] | justinh: | bloody hell. eat *that* XBMC |
| [13:47:01] | iamlindoro: | yes, not even submitted yet, but working well from my toying w/ it |
| [13:47:06] | iamlindoro: | very well, in fact |
| [13:47:14] | justinh: | can I see it? |
| [13:47:34] | iamlindoro: | justinh, He didn't post it publicly so you'll have to ask him |
| [13:47:41] | justinh: | fir nuff |
| [13:48:11] | iamlindoro: | XML docs on it here, though: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pending_MythUI_Patches |
| [13:49:25] | justinh: | very well thought through |
| [13:49:42] | tmkt: | the first time the front end ran..it asked me to update the db schema... it did that..and now it refuses to start |
| [13:50:14] | iamlindoro: | have only tried the "stack" style so far, but when used, it all "just worked," though it does mean thinking through placement of buttonlists a bit more |
| [13:50:35] | justinh: | iamlindoro: well yeah. and it prolly won't work well for grid based layouts :P |
| [13:50:36] | Dibblah: | tmkt: Which installation instructions are you following? |
| [13:50:52] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Guess he spent a substantial amount of time making it do just that |
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| [13:51:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro: but as with a few mythui features, it's possible to make a complete & utter arse of things if you really try hard enough ;) |
| [13:51:43] | justinh: | iamlindoro: wha? he made it work for grid based layouts too? |
| [13:51:50] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [13:52:05] | justinh: | how the effinelle? ;-O |
| [13:52:21] | iamlindoro: | not that I have experimented with it yet, but I got the sense that the big holdup was his getting grid looking right |
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| [13:52:33] | justinh: | way I wanted to do it would've worked sure.. but it'd have been awful |
| [13:52:34] | Dibblah: | jya: Is it only for AC3 encoding? My receiver only does DTS :( |
| [13:52:56] | resno: | hello, where can i find the features slated for .22? |
| [13:53:02] | tmkt: | Dibblah: there are installation instructions? |
| [13:53:02] | justinh: | ah well. played a small part in sowing the seed, if not the solution :) |
| [13:53:05] | jya: | Dibblah: sorry what's that ? |
| [13:53:12] | justinh: | resno: mythtv wiki release notes |
| [13:53:20] | Dibblah: | Audio reencoding – Does it only do AC3? |
| [13:53:38] | jya: | if upmixing stereo, then yes |
| [13:53:53] | jya: | What kind of weird receiver is that ? |
| [13:53:59] | tmkt: | looked for some upgrading instructions |
| [13:54:34] | Dibblah: | SR-7200 |
| [13:54:54] | Dibblah: | tmkt: Are you upgrading from 0.21 to trunk? |
| [13:55:03] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [13:55:07] | tmkt: | -fixes to -trunk |
| [13:55:29] | Dibblah: | The schema update takes a significant amount of time – And if you have interrupted it, you will be left with a database that is unusable, ISTR. |
| [13:56:24] | tmkt: | how do i know if it is doing anything? is there a progress indicator for the schema update? |
| [13:56:29] | tmkt: | when i started up the fe |
| [13:56:37] | tmkt: | i had the option to upgrade the schema i said go ahead |
| [13:56:45] | tmkt: | then waited 2 minutes...and then the fe crashed |
| [13:56:59] | justinh: | resno: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22 |
| [13:57:17] | Dibblah: | How much RAM / swap on the FE? |
| [13:57:28] | resno: | justinh: thanks, i was looking at .21 and didnt realize it |
| [13:58:13] | jya: | Dibblah: The Marantz SR-7200 does AC3 as per its manual |
| [14:00:16] | tmkt: | dont care too much if the schema is all mest up |
| [14:00:24] | tmkt: | would just like the fe to come back up so i can start up again |
| [14:00:44] | jya: | seems you have to manually switch between DTS and AC3 though... I got the manual from there: http://us.marantz.com/c_sr7200_man.pdf |
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| [14:01:13] | justinh: | eew. no auto selection? heh |
| [14:02:26] | jya: | I can't say I've ever seen a receiver that doesn't do Dolby Digital if it had a digital input, provided that DD is compulsory for DVD or BR |
| [14:02:40] | simonckenyon: | last night – after a long struggle – i finally got my sony bd remote to work – not quite used to not having to point the remote at the box – i am best pleased |
| [14:03:13] | Dibblah: | I tried. Feeding it an AC3 stream doesn't appear to work. :( |
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| [14:03:58] | tmkt: | mythtv-setup does the same...critical error on startup – crashes |
| [14:04:10] | Dibblah: | Doh. SR6300. |
| [14:04:56] | jya: | Dibblah: I'd be interested to know how ticket #6975 works for you... and getting some feedback if you have issues, as I intend to commit it when 0.22 is out the door |
| [14:05:00] | justinh: | simonckenyon: I don't really have to point my remote at the box either. and it's IR :) |
| [14:05:25] | tmkt: | not sure if it has to do with me running mepo theme or not |
| [14:05:38] | justinh: | tmkt: probably |
| [14:06:10] | tmkt: | how do i disable the mepo theme? is that in the db? tried moving ~/.mythtv to .mythtv.old |
| [14:06:39] | Dibblah: | jya: I'll have a look after a while. |
| [14:06:39] | justinh: | rm -rf / |
| [14:06:50] | simonckenyon: | i have a diddy little logitech surround sound thing. it kept getting confused by the IR from my other remote. anyway, the response is very fast |
| [14:06:56] | tmkt: | k |
| [14:07:08] | justinh: | or just run myth with -O Theme=ThemeName |
| [14:07:13] | justinh: | :) |
| [14:07:13] | simonckenyon: | justinh: don't make suggestions like that – somebody might actually do it |
| [14:07:19] | justinh: | simonckenyon: boo hoo |
| [14:07:41] | tmkt: | what would be a valid theme for 22.. "Terra" ? |
| [14:07:45] | simonckenyon: | have you ever done it – not very pleasant |
| [14:07:59] | justinh: | simonckenyon: yes. it was a fun lesson to learn as an early gentoo user |
| [14:08:26] | justinh: | two weeks of working hard every night to get the tuner working & everything else, and then another week to repeat it all. heh |
| [14:08:35] | simonckenyon: | being a tad older than the rest of ye – it was a long time ago for me |
| [14:08:35] | Dibblah: | Terra should work. |
| [14:08:51] | justinh: | though at least 48 hours of that was compiling it on my 800mhz athlon |
| [14:09:02] | tmkt: | that was it.. |
| [14:09:19] | tmkt: | so...note...dont use mepo when upgrading from 21 to 22 |
| [14:09:30] | simonckenyon: | you should try a netbook |
| [14:09:35] | justinh: | there was a rumour mepo was going to be updated for trunk but nobody has seen any evidence |
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| [14:11:17] | tmkt: | no need with the beauty themes like tera and graphite |
| [14:11:28] | justinh: | with all the nice new stuff in mythui I don't see any merit in extending the life of 0.21 compatible themes |
| [14:11:42] | justinh: | and hopefully nor will anybody else |
| [14:12:22] | tmkt: | yeah...just something to add to the release notes |
| [14:12:29] | tmkt: | change to a different theme before trying the upgrade |
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| [14:12:47] | justinh: | might be time to start testing the themeinfo.xml data eh |
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| [14:15:37] | ** motd2k tunes his quit message just for justinh ** | |
| [14:15:45] | jya: | justinh: I had adapted mepo to trunk ... But few things were broken still , and I couldn't be bothered finishing it |
| [14:17:00] | justinh: | if the main menu xml is ok, mythfrontend *should* fall back to working default xml files for other screens |
| [14:17:19] | justinh: | but if a theme is just gonna be a customised menu, why bother at all? |
| [14:17:54] | tmkt: | channel scanner seems to work great |
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| [14:18:42] | justinh: | huh? 'according to some reports Five are considering moving to a subscription model' |
| [14:18:53] | justinh: | on some forum somewhere. no factual basis found yet |
| [14:19:54] | justinh: | http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcaste . . . referrer=RSS |
| [14:20:06] | justinh: | then again, ITV are 'considering' it too |
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| [14:22:10] | Dibblah: | AndNothingOfValueWasLost? |
| [14:22:40] | justinh: | Flash Forward? Which I've still not watched yet |
| [14:22:40] | motd2k: | is there anything on five worth subscribing to? |
| [14:23:09] | justinh: | cost mooted is a min. £1 per month. hardly worth investing in a CAM etc |
| [14:23:42] | justinh: | god, imagine.. a card/cam per channel. EEW |
| [14:24:15] | justinh: | has fail written all over it. or hey – a whole new receiver! |
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| [14:28:23] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Are you saying having to have a CAM array in the closet could somehow be un-user-friendly? :) |
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| [14:28:51] | justinh: | quite possibly |
| [14:30:06] | justinh: | on the plus side, anyone encrippling new services on freeview will have Sky's backroom cracking team on the case, trickling out fixes into the underground, like they did to topple OnDigital (Allegedly) |
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| [14:30:56] | justinh: | sorry, that was allegedly the same israeli firm who Sky contract to do work on their own encryption tech. Coincidence? LOL |
| [14:31:15] | ** Dibblah is very surprised by NDS. ** | |
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| [14:31:27] | Dibblah: | Only the camcrypt cracked – Not the actual codestore. |
| [14:31:47] | justinh: | conspiracy theories abound there |
| [14:32:13] | justinh: | some say Murdoch has enough clout to actually keep the truth off the internet |
| [14:32:15] | Dibblah: | All of the other techs have been fully compromised, including nagra3. |
| [14:32:36] | justinh: | it sounds a little bit far-fetched, yet not.. all at once |
| [14:33:47] | gbee: | was that rumour, I thought I remembered reading something more solid than that |
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| [14:34:21] | justinh: | there's a lot of mythology surrounding NDS too. Lots of FUD aswell |
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| [14:35:49] | motd2k: | gbee: dish networks sued nds if that's what you mean |
| [14:36:15] | justinh: | I know somebody who knows somebody on a very underground hacker forum & even they don't know much about it |
| [14:36:29] | justinh: | so it's either very well hushed up or just hasn't been done yet |
| [14:37:21] | justinh: | anyway, so long as they have 'A' method I doubt anybody will graft a way to bust it properly |
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| [14:43:36] | jams: | i need to find/buy a good chair. I'm tired of all the cheap ones that just dont' seem to fit right. |
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| [14:44:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: im happy with my rental plan from Staples |
| [14:45:13] | _ben: | herman miller are very expensive but it's the only chair you'll ever buy |
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| [14:50:34] | jams: | _ben- used an Aeron for a while, but didn't find it that comfortable. |
| [14:50:38] | gbee: | ... so if you've previously owned a chair you're not eligible to buy one? :p |
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| [14:54:49] | tmkt: | key bindings different with v0.22? watching tv right now...[esc] up arrow/down arrow..none are doing anything |
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| [15:00:33] | wagnerrp: | the only significant change was the behavior of 'm' and 'i' |
| [15:00:50] | iamlindoro: | and neither of them in playback |
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| [15:04:25] | motd2k: | i need to go to the gym to fit my aeron again |
| [15:04:29] | motd2k: | lol |
| [15:05:16] | wagnerrp: | how is it that XKCD readers dont understand the current comic |
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| [15:05:42] | wagnerrp: | im looking at the forum entry for it, and half the comments on the first page are 'i dont get it' |
| [15:06:00] | jams: | seems pretty straightfoward to me |
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| [15:07:57] | wagnerrp: | apparently a good deal of the readers dont understand what RPN is |
| [15:10:04] | gbee: | don't understand, or have simply never come across it before? |
| [15:12:08] | wagnerrp: | never even heard of it |
| [15:12:58] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of it, but ive never understood why it existed |
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| [15:13:29] | wagnerrp: | ive never had the desire to manually keep track of stack order as im typing out a calculation |
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| [15:17:15] | Crypia: | To use IR with an HDHR, what should the frontend setting for "LIRC Daemon Socket" look like? |
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| [15:31:20] | Crypia: | What should the frontend setting for "LIRC Daemon Socket" look like to use IR/LIRCD with the UDP driver and an HDHR? |
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| [15:40:12] | mcbane: | hi |
| [15:40:31] | mcbane: | what svn version would you recommend to compile at the moment? |
| [15:40:36] | PeaceKeeper: | Anyone load .22 on Centos? I want to load .22 to help test / maybe help patch. |
| [15:40:59] | ** cesman wonders the last time mcbane was on The Simpsons... ** | |
| [15:41:18] | PeaceKeeper: | My machines is currently CentOS 5.3 and I was not sure if that is a good OS to help test. |
| [15:41:34] | mcbane: | that guy is actually spelled McBain ;) |
| [15:43:39] | cesman: | :-) |
| [15:43:56] | sphery: | mcbane: the -fixes branch is always the best choice unless you want to help fix bugs |
| [15:44:24] | sphery: | Going from 0.21-fixes to 0.22 (when released) should be relatively painless (as long as you don't corrupt your DB) |
| [15:44:38] | mcbane: | sphery: actually I have a bug which causes 0.21-fix to segfault |
| [15:44:47] | sphery: | i.e. if using Gentoo and just getting started do /not/ use the -latin1 USE flag for MySQL |
| [15:44:47] | mcbane: | so I thought I try something new ;) |
| [15:44:56] | sphery: | which bug? |
| [15:45:18] | mcbane: | mythtv-setup segfaults if I try to do a channel scan |
| [15:45:32] | sphery: | then you need to do: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [15:45:40] | sphery: | in 0.21-fixes and all will be fine |
| [15:46:00] | sphery: | it's a known race condition that's worked around by not using multiple cores (only in mythtv-setup where the cores aren't helpful, anyway) |
| [15:46:04] | mcbane: | I read about it, but this is a 600 mhz amd mobile with a single core. Nevertheless I tried and failed |
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| [15:46:48] | sphery: | well, if you're not doing 0.21-fixes, then the only newer is trunk |
| [15:46:56] | sphery: | and, with trunk, your mileage may vary |
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| [15:47:34] | mcbane: | I take my chances :) |
| [15:48:08] | sphery: | but 0.22 should be realeased soon, so you'll have to decide if you want to start with the unstable version (and read -commits and -dev lists so you don't waste dev time with invalid/duplicate bug reports) for a week and then switch to 0.22-fixes... |
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| [15:52:39] | wagnerrp: | PeaceKeeper: the only real problem with using CentOS is the old kernel version |
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| [15:52:56] | wagnerrp: | youre running a several year old kernel, meaning youre missing a lot of the new driver updates |
| [15:53:05] | mcbane: | I think I will try the trunk and switch to stable when it's out. If I use the --prefix option it should do no harm |
| [15:53:32] | wagnerrp: | mcbane: why not just wait a week? |
| [15:53:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: and ancient python, apprarently |
| [15:53:56] | iamlindoro: | which makes running some of RDV_Linux's scripts out of the box a bit of a challenege AIUI |
| [15:54:02] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [15:54:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, anything prior to 2.2 will be completely broken with the new bindings |
| [15:54:43] | wagnerrp: | of course that was 8 years ago |
| [15:55:35] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, anyone running 2.6 or better will get complaints about the bindings being depreciated! |
| [15:55:47] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Are you slamming the work of one of the script Monkeys? And now I need to look up AIUI. |
| [15:55:49] | mcbane: | because I need to set it up and running till friday. |
| [15:55:55] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it |
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| [15:58:26] | wagnerrp: | thats another thing i should do, mute that mysqldb depreciation warning |
| [15:59:00] | wagnerrp: | end users dont care, and the problem is known |
| [16:01:49] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: not at all, I'm slamming CentOS users |
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| [16:02:25] | PeaceKeeper: | wagnerrp: Humm ok |
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| [16:02:38] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: As usual I was only jesting ;) Now back to my Banana. |
| [16:02:42] | PeaceKeeper: | iamlindoro: why you not like CentOS? |
| [16:03:28] | iamlindoro: | because the latest version of CentOS uses sufficiently old packages/python as to make running Myth's new features properly a near impossibility |
| [16:03:29] | wagnerrp: | PeaceKeeper: because it uses old programming |
| [16:03:45] | wagnerrp: | which is perfectly fine, and even desirable for a robust server |
| [16:03:50] | wagnerrp: | less so for something like mythtv |
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| [16:05:17] | PeaceKeeper: | agreed |
| [16:05:27] | PeaceKeeper: | OK so I guess I need to find a new Distro |
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| [16:11:04] | AndrewNC: | fedora or ubuntu seem to be the reasonable choices |
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| [16:12:09] | PeaceKeeper: | I dont liek the upgrade treadmill |
| [16:12:18] | PeaceKeeper: | :( But I might go with fedora |
| [16:12:29] | AndrewNC: | I'm using fedora 10, i'm pretty happy with it |
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| [16:12:46] | simonckenyon: | having tried a lot of different distributions – i do like gentoo – but then again i am oldschool |
| [16:12:47] | PeaceKeeper: | Is that the latest? |
| [16:12:54] | AndrewNC: | fedora 11 is latest |
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| [16:13:43] | PeaceKeeper: | I liek gentoo, but the install did not justfiy the performance to me. (just was not that much better) |
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| [16:14:02] | PeaceKeeper: | mythtv running ok on Fedora 11? |
| [16:14:05] | wombo: | Mythbuntu are doing a pretty good job packing up Mythtv |
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| [16:14:16] | simonckenyon: | don't install it for the perfomance. install it for the "no dependency rubbish" |
| [16:14:19] | AndrewNC: | fedora and ubuntu are nice because of package management and lots of users = lots of answers to questions |
| [16:15:34] | simonckenyon: | to be honest – the reverse is a valid reason for using gentoo – you really have to know what you are doing to install it – so the clueless quotient is a bit lower |
| [16:16:24] | PeaceKeeper: | Gentoo "no dependency rubbish" is nice |
| [16:16:44] | AndrewNC: | depends on your existing skillset and available time, if you know what ou are doing and have time to pickup what you dont |
| [16:16:59] | AndrewNC: | PeaceKeeper: yum and apt make dependency hassles very rare |
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| [16:17:39] | simonckenyon: | but you do get a lot of "have you installed the -dev package?" |
| [16:18:08] | AndrewNC: | not in my experience |
| [16:18:34] | simonckenyon: | we had at least one on this channel today |
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| [16:20:25] | CyberKnet: | only time i needed to specifically install a -dev package on mythbuntu was when I wanted to compile the kernel module for the HVR-2250 |
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| [16:20:32] | maty: | hy |
| [16:20:43] | CyberKnet: | needed the kernel headers |
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| [16:21:26] | AndrewNC: | CyberKnet: think I ran into the same thing, not a big deal |
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| [16:21:46] | maty: | how long is the delay to switch channels on a seperate BE/FE setup over wlan? |
| [16:21:57] | simonckenyon: | well i'm not on a mission to convert people to gentoo – it just serves mu purposes very nicely – that is all |
| [16:22:08] | AndrewNC: | of course, anyone who really knows what they are doing starts and pc build by constructing a chip foundry... |
| [16:22:29] | simonckenyon: | maty: few seconds – depends on hardware at both ends |
| [16:23:02] | simonckenyon: | AndrewNC: no – but i did build a couple of PC cases out of wood – does that count? :-) |
| [16:23:38] | maty: | hmmm :( |
| [16:23:52] | simonckenyon: | maty: how long? |
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| [16:24:21] | maty: | i dont know, havent built it yet |
| [16:24:34] | maty: | and if its that long, i dont think i will |
| [16:25:09] | simonckenyon: | maty: that is why people say "don't watch live-tv" – the delay doesn't bother me because i change to channels based on what it says in the EPG |
| [16:26:00] | simonckenyon: | remember that myth records to disk and streams off that recording – always – so there is a lot going on in the channel change |
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| [16:27:35] | maty: | well |
| [16:28:31] | maty: | that requires thinking about what to watch |
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| [16:29:08] | maty: | which i guess im not willing too half of the time |
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| [16:29:23] | sphery: | maty: a) use channel browse mode in LiveTV, b) don't use LiveTV (and use Myth as a DVR(ecorder)), or c) choose something other than Myth (and lose all the benefits of being able to sit down and just choose what to watch from the library of recordings you have) |
| [16:29:24] | simonckenyon: | well best of luck in your quest |
| [16:30:05] | maty: | i got used to the delay |
| [16:30:09] | sphery: | maty: the whole idea of Myth is to record anything you /might/ possibly decide to watch--it's not a VCR, so you don't have to record only what you think is great |
| [16:30:23] | maty: | but i wouldnt want it to be longer |
| [16:30:30] | sphery: | I delete entire seasons of shows without watching them |
| [16:30:57] | sphery: | but in the event that I run out of stuff to watch, I have stuff that's better than whatever garbage happens to air when I sit down |
| [16:31:01] | simonckenyon: | sphery: how much disk space do you have? |
| [16:31:07] | sphery: | 6.5TB :) |
| [16:31:10] | maty: | haha |
| [16:31:34] | simonckenyon: | i thought i was sad with 2.5 |
| [16:31:43] | sphery: | but with standard def, even 1TB is a ton of storage... I have about 1.5TiB free right now and have almost 1000 recordings |
| [16:32:11] | sphery: | sad thing is there are quite a few people in here whose systems make my 6.5TB seem paltry |
| [16:32:28] | sphery: | 973 programs, using 4.6 TB (1 month 12 days 16 hrs 11 mins) out of 6 TB (1.4 TB free). |
| [16:32:29] | maty: | i got 100gb |
| [16:32:36] | sphery: | (where those numbers are TiB, not TB) |
| [16:33:01] | maty: | and without hd im doing good so far |
| [16:33:17] | maty: | you guys record hd or what? |
| [16:33:22] | simonckenyon: | i had a raid 5 system – but i bought 10 disks together and they all failed within a month of each other – lost a lot that day |
| [16:33:40] | sphery: | yeah, I wouldn't want less than 500GB for SDTV, but you can get by with only 100GB--after all TiVo users have done it for years :) |
| [16:34:00] | sphery: | maty: yeah, /all/ of my recordings are digital recordings and >90% are high-definition |
| [16:35:02] | sphery: | But, with 1TB HDD at $60–70 and 1.5TB at $90-$100, it's getting cheap enough to have some real storage--even on an SDTV-only system--so you can record all sorts of stuff |
| [16:35:22] | sphery: | and watch TV on /your/ schedules (not the network's) and skip commercials and timestretch and ... |
| [16:35:46] | simonckenyon: | sounds like mythtv might be worthwhile after all :-) |
| [16:36:21] | sphery: | I think I'll keep using it :) |
| [16:36:29] | simonckenyon: | same here |
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| [16:36:54] | sphery: | btw, simonckenyon , I'm pretty sure the initial position of the cursor in the storage group editor is a bug--just haven't figured out what's causing it |
| [16:37:15] | sphery: | meaning I'll likely be fixing it soon enough |
| [16:37:33] | simonckenyon: | it happens if there is nothing defined – suspect it might be a corner case that was not tested |
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| [16:38:12] | sphery: | yeah, we seem to have issues in several places--possibly due to settings breakage from the Qt4 port |
| [16:38:25] | sphery: | several places within the SG editor, even |
| [16:38:25] | simonckenyon: | no big deal – just confusing – and we are about to get gazillions of new users when the (windows) release comes out |
| [16:38:43] | sphery: | yeah, and the whole settings thing needs fixed, anyway |
| [16:38:54] | sphery: | it /should/ probably be a blocker, but no one wants to look into it |
| [16:39:01] | sphery: | So, I'll look at it today... |
| [16:39:07] | simonckenyon: | SG would be so cool if it did .iso files – that is what all my videos are |
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| [16:39:16] | maty: | windows backend? |
| [16:39:20] | simonckenyon: | there are bigger bugs to fix that that |
| [16:39:26] | simonckenyon: | no windows backend – just frontend |
| [16:39:47] | simonckenyon: | well i could be wrong |
| [16:39:51] | sphery: | ISO's require hacks--libdvdnav only works with block devices, so the current approach is NBD |
| [16:40:11] | maty: | windows backend would be nice |
| [16:40:11] | sphery: | not pretty enough to make it in during the feature freeze, but will probably be there for 0.23 |
| [16:40:13] | maty: | err |
| [16:40:14] | maty: | fe |
| [16:43:12] | simonckenyon: | sphery: could not find my way around the code – did not realise the restriction was in libdvdnav |
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| [16:44:00] | sphery: | yeah--or possibly only the libdvdcss stuff--I've heard both mentioned |
| [16:44:25] | sphery: | but I'm pretty sure it's actually in libdvdnav |
| [16:45:42] | sphery: | now that I've done a google search, I'm about 99.9% positive it's a restriction in libdvdnav (which means it's /also/ a restriction in libdvdcss), but ... |
| [16:46:42] | simonckenyon: | oh well – just means i cannot use all that janu goodness – or run mixed windows and linux frontends – the full path is in the db |
| [16:47:09] | simonckenyon: | or i could be completely wrong as usual |
| [16:47:11] | sphery: | Ubuntu is setting up SG's for all "normal" video files |
| [16:47:38] | sphery: | but then using the MythVideo (local) directory list for the DVD drive |
| [16:47:56] | simonckenyon: | if you don't have iso's – everything is just hunky dory |
| [16:48:01] | sphery: | could do the same, and store your ISO's in an NFS-mounted share in the local dir list |
| [16:48:23] | elmojo: | sphery, iamlindoro: just to be sure – if I covert to using storage groups then playback will use native mythtv streaming even if the file exists locally (via nfs, samba) |
| [16:48:42] | simonckenyon: | 95% of my stuff is .iso files |
| [16:49:36] | sphery: | elmojo: pretty sure it will use local access if the hostname is the same as the local host's, might actually use local access anyway if you have NFS mounts (unless you set "Always stream ... from backend") |
| [16:49:54] | sphery: | elmojo: though all of that is just a guess as I haven't played with any of it |
| [16:49:56] | elmojo: | k, thanks |
| [16:50:22] | sphery: | simonckenyon: ah, yeah, if the majority is ISO's, then you will lose out on the SG goodness. :) |
| [16:50:31] | simonckenyon: | will go home now and have a fiddle – i was put off my the full paths in the db |
| [16:50:42] | sphery: | unless you apply the NBD patch (which will probably make the rounds shortly after 0.22 is out) |
| [16:50:55] | sphery: | the full paths in the DB will be fixed for 0.23 |
| [16:50:56] | elmojo: | the Internal player seems to have issues when playing back very high bit-rate videos across nfs and samba mounts |
| [16:51:02] | simonckenyon: | what NBD patch? |
| [16:51:13] | sphery: | the one that Grey Foxx was working on |
| [16:51:25] | sphery: | not ready, but will probably make the rounds... |
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| [16:51:35] | simonckenyon: | says he hunting through mythtv mailing list |
| [16:51:58] | sphery: | TTBOMK, it never got mentioned on the list |
| [16:52:12] | sphery: | was mentioned (and possibly some pastebin links) on #mythtv and possibly here |
| [16:52:27] | sphery: | but it was months ago, so the pastebin links are probably dead |
| [16:53:28] | simonckenyon: | ah well – roll in .22 is all i can say – seems like stuff is queueing (sp?) up behind the release |
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| [16:54:39] | sphery: | OK, now I'm thinking it's libdvdread (always forget about that one) that's got the block device requirement |
| [16:55:15] | sphery: | so, libdvdread->libdvdnav->libdvdcss, means the bottom most one requires the NBD hack |
| [16:55:46] | sphery: | er, actually, libdvdread->libdvdcss->libdvdnav |
| [16:55:55] | sphery: | gotta decrypt to navigate :) |
| [16:56:18] | simonckenyon: | assuming that they are encrypted dvds |
| [16:56:23] | sphery: | right |
| [16:56:31] | Dagmar: | " |
| [16:56:37] | Dagmar: | "NBD hack"? |
| [16:56:57] | simonckenyon: | i've started something now – time to go home |
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| [17:00:22] | sphery: | Dagmar: allows mythbackend to make an ISO available as a network block device so a remote frontend can access it as if it were a DVD drive, so it can be played using libdvd* |
| [17:00:29] | Dagmar: | Ahhhh |
| [17:00:44] | sphery: | something of a hack because of security and "not yet done" issues |
| [17:00:51] | Dagmar: | Oh just you wait |
| [17:01:00] | Dagmar: | That sounds like lawyer bait of some form or other |
| [17:01:07] | Dagmar: | ...but still, it's going to be useful |
| [17:01:57] | sphery: | well, it doesn't do any de-CSS stuff |
| [17:02:27] | Dagmar: | Oh that won't stop them |
| [17:02:30] | sphery: | It just allows unencrypted DVD playback across the network. Still need libdvdcss if you want to do encrypted. |
| [17:02:47] | Dagmar: | DVD menuing is separate from decryption and they'll sue people over that |
| [17:03:35] | sphery: | well, on the bright side, it won't make it into 0.22, so... :) |
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| [17:10:27] | squidly: | sphery: is there a way I can rip a dvd from my frontend to the backend using the SG in 0.22? |
| [17:11:09] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [17:12:55] | squidly: | with 0.22 how are dvd's intended to be ripped? The old way and moved or what |
| [17:13:41] | iamlindoro: | DVD ripping is only supported locally |
| [17:13:54] | iamlindoro: | SG support in mythvideo is not finished, and is on an "as is" basis |
| [17:14:10] | squidly: | iamlindoro: ok I thought so |
| [17:14:13] | iamlindoro: | what works, works, what doesn't, doesn't, and the informed user can choose to use what they like |
| [17:15:03] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I didn't think it was built to work over the network, any plans on building that or what? |
| [17:15:20] | iamlindoro: | Maybe eventually, but that is well towards the end of priorities |
| [17:15:56] | squidly: | kk |
| [17:16:10] | squidly: | so I'm on to another method of ripping :D |
| [17:17:12] | iamlindoro: | Or just set your local video directory setting to a network mounted copy of your SG, rip, done |
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| [17:20:15] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I did that but it listed 2 copies of the movies |
| [17:20:16] | squidly: | lol |
| [17:20:29] | iamlindoro: | how long ago? |
| [17:20:37] | squidly: | like 2–3 weeks ago |
| [17:20:42] | squidly: | have not had time to work on it sence then |
| [17:21:03] | iamlindoro: | duplicate issues should have been solved, but whatever, DVD rip is low priority for me TBH |
| [17:21:21] | squidly: | yea doing it though the frontend is low pri for me right now too |
| [17:21:53] | CyberKnet: | Curious whether folks in here on the whole use 5400 or 7200 rpm drives in RAID setups... |
| [17:22:09] | justinh: | what setups now? ;-) |
| [17:22:18] | squidly: | CyberKnet: I use what ever I have |
| [17:22:19] | CyberKnet: | I'd always used 7200 since I thought I would need the throughput with two HD and two SD sources... |
| [17:22:34] | justinh: | raid is for valuable data, not teevees :) |
| [17:22:35] | squidly: | most newer drives are 7200 |
| [17:22:36] | CyberKnet: | though rarely will three be in use at once, let alone four. |
| [17:22:48] | squidly: | justinh: raid0 can speed up drive access |
| [17:23:13] | CyberKnet: | squidly: yeah, a lot of the 1/1.5tb deals I've seen on drives lately have been 5400rpm – trying to determine if that might bite me in the behind ;) |
| [17:23:17] | justinh: | hmm. because video bitrates can be as high as 50Mbits/sec? |
| [17:23:38] | squidly: | justinh: lol |
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| [17:24:06] | squidly: | justinh: multiple devices accessing the same array can produce 50M/s access |
| [17:24:23] | CyberKnet: | That's what I was thinking ... just one HD source is ~18mbps |
| [17:24:24] | justinh: | in what kind of scenario? lol |
| [17:24:31] | justinh: | in a home network? sheesh |
| [17:24:54] | iamlindoro: | squidly: WHAT? |
| [17:24:58] | squidly: | justinh: yea. Though my raid array is doing torrents and myth to several frontends |
| [17:25:04] | iamlindoro: | If you have > 25 frontends |
| [17:25:10] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [17:25:14] | squidly: | haha |
| [17:25:15] | iamlindoro: | HD video is #-4 MB/s |
| [17:25:18] | iamlindoro: | er 3–4 |
| [17:25:26] | justinh: | yeah all those ubuntu ISOs can get heavy |
| [17:25:29] | justinh: | :-/ |
| [17:25:35] | squidly: | justinh: lol |
| [17:25:44] | justinh: | FYI I'm giving you a getout so you don't hang yourself in a logged channel |
| [17:25:48] | CyberKnet: | 18 megabits per second – 2.225 megabytes per second |
| [17:25:55] | CyberKnet: | 2.25 even |
| [17:26:08] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: figures based on maximal bitrate, Blu ray |
| [17:26:38] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Are you talking megabits or megabytes? I get MB/Mb/mb mixed up... |
| [17:27:17] | squidly: | justinh: I know that. Also I know most drives wont push that much data. Actually going 50Mb/s required someone to hit 400mb/s |
| [17:27:23] | CyberKnet: | I could easily see HD doing 3–4 megabytes per second at the maximal end. |
| [17:27:38] | justinh: | squidly: over-engineering for the sake of it IMHO. carry on |
| [17:27:51] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Point being Raid )/fast drives are more or less useless unless you have *dozens* of frontends |
| [17:27:56] | iamlindoro: | er RAID 0 |
| [17:28:03] | squidly: | justinh: I usualy over engineer most of my stuff :D |
| [17:28:16] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: agreed. I do RAID 5 for redundancy. |
| [17:28:16] | justinh: | and then you go & spoil it all by putting it on a network :P |
| [17:28:48] | squidly: | that is what I do as well for my torrents/movie arrays. also it allows me to expand as I get new drives :D |
| [17:28:54] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: whether or not RAID speeds up access or throughput is not a priority for me, I just don't want to lose TV :) |
| [17:29:23] | kormoc: | !trout squiidly torrents are forbidden in here |
| [17:29:23] | ** MythLogBot slaps squiidly with a torrents are forbidden in here trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [17:29:39] | justinh: | file squirrels intrigue me. why do they feel the need to keep absolutely everything? And *have* absolutely everything? |
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| [17:29:41] | squidly: | kormoc: ubuntu torrents and legal torrents! |
| [17:30:12] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: I was just trying to guage whether 5400rpm drives would give less enough throughput that I might be concerned about recording two hd and two sd sources simultaneously. 5400rpm can reduce cost significantly. |
| [17:30:36] | kormoc: | justinh: well, being a semi-file squirrel, my data is all there is of me, without it, I'd be lost... |
| [17:30:49] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Really, really unlikely |
| [17:30:52] | CyberKnet: | justinh: file squirrel? |
| [17:30:59] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Gotcha. |
| [17:31:08] | justinh: | CyberKnet: yeah they hoard absolutely everything :) |
| [17:31:18] | squidly: | CyberKnet: like iamlindoro 25+ frontends ;D |
| [17:32:01] | iamlindoro: | or two, but close enough |
| [17:32:06] | CyberKnet: | justinh: Are you saying that RAID5 for TV is file squirrelling? |
| [17:32:52] | ** kormoc taps his foot waiting for the 2 tb wd blacks to drop down in price to a reasonable amount ** | |
| [17:32:52] | iamlindoro: | RAID5 for Myth recording drives may or may not be squirreling, but it *is* a horrible idea |
| [17:33:03] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: because? |
| [17:33:06] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo, OK, but recording... no es bueno |
| [17:33:24] | CyberKnet: | Not debating here, but curious as to your reasoning... |
| [17:33:30] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Because you thrash on *all* those drives every time you record something |
| [17:33:43] | CyberKnet: | You would prefer mirroring? |
| [17:33:45] | kormoc: | DELETE FROM oldrecord WHERE (chanid, starttime) = ANY (SELECT chanid, starttime FROM recorded); |
| [17:33:52] | kormoc: | boom, they'll rerecord now! |
| [17:33:53] | squidly: | and shorten the life span of the drives |
| [17:33:59] | iamlindoro: | No, I'm saying you'll wear out the drives right quick that way |
| [17:34:14] | iamlindoro: | Better to use SGs for recordings, and move anything you care to keep into Mythvideo |
| [17:34:19] | kormoc: | it's why I keep a 2 year max on all my hardware |
| [17:34:21] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: Not everything re-records in a timely fashion. |
| [17:34:21] | iamlindoro: | where you'll write once, and leave it alone |
| [17:34:45] | kormoc: | CyberKnet: imho, if I haven't watched it in a timely fashion, it didn't matter that much to me |
| [17:34:59] | iamlindoro: | I once accidentally ended up with 50 recordings :) |
| [17:35:07] | iamlindoro: | when I neglected my maintenance |
| [17:35:28] | ** kormoc has around 650 in default and 250 in deleted ** | |
| [17:35:32] | CyberKnet: | You use MythVideo to watch your recorded TV? |
| [17:35:35] | iamlindoro: | 26 right now and I already feel like I'm drowning |
| [17:36:03] | squidly: | iamlindoro: only you use your mythtv sysetm huh? no kids or wife or anything like that? |
| [17:36:04] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: I watch my shows, setting cutpoints as I go, then lossless transcode anything I'm going to keep and move it to MythVideo |
| [17:36:25] | CyberKnet: | oh. i have about 90-some recordings right now. |
| [17:36:33] | CyberKnet: | I don't necessarily watch everything right away. |
| [17:36:36] | iamlindoro: | squidly: Girlfriend, Dog, one of which doesn't use the myth box |
| [17:36:51] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Even in that instance, if I know it's something I'll keep, I'll move it to MV and catch up later |
| [17:37:07] | iamlindoro: | As of now I have a MythVideo that's as pretty or prettier than Watch Recordings, so nothing is really lost :) |
| [17:37:11] | squidly: | iamlindoro: ok. My fiancee loves her "Reality" tv so I have that chewing up diskspace quite a bit |
| [17:37:18] | squidly: | I ususaly end up with about 100 recoarding |
| [17:37:32] | kormoc: | solution, get rid of the fiancee |
| [17:37:42] | ** kormoc dusts off his hands ** | |
| [17:37:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/vbl-2.png |
| [17:37:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/galleryimproved.png |
| [17:37:48] | iamlindoro: | Not much lost by moving it :) |
| [17:38:07] | CyberKnet: | Here's a dumb question ... can I use a user job to move something to RAID storage and still have it be in the Recorded TV screen, but not have MythTV use the RAID5 device to record new TV to? |
| [17:38:21] | CyberKnet: | keeping stuff in the RecordedTV screen versus MythVideo |
| [17:38:37] | iamlindoro: | Probably doable, though I'm not sure you gain anything from that |
| [17:38:46] | CyberKnet: | I mean, I'd be happy to write the perl script that performed the action... not asking someone else to code for me. |
| [17:39:04] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: I use the DVR menu layout, I'd like to keep stuff in the RecordedTV screen. |
| [17:39:18] | iamlindoro: | Media Center menu theme FTW ;) |
| [17:39:34] | CyberKnet: | heh. |
| [17:39:41] | iamlindoro: | and not just 'cause I wrote it |
| [17:39:57] | iamlindoro: | but because I happen to think it puts all the important stuff at the top and hides the rest |
| [17:40:18] | squidly: | i'm trying to find the new themes for 0.22 I like them :D |
| [17:40:28] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: should have laga run the menu mapper on it |
| [17:40:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | CyberKnet, just create an 'Archive' (or whatever name you want) Storage Group pointed at that directory. then in your user job, move the file from the regular dir into that directory and Myth will happily find it when you go to play back the recording. you can always use the myth_archiv_job.pl script in contrib which does the same thing already. just delete or comment out hte part that does the linking back to the origin |
| [17:40:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | al directory since that's not needed anymore with Storage Groups. make sure your backend can read/write the new directory so that files can be streamed and deleted as necessary. |
| [17:40:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: isn't it jam s who does that? |
| [17:41:01] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [17:41:02] | kormoc: | likely |
| [17:41:14] | kormoc: | Today is not my day |
| [17:41:18] | iamlindoro: | all good |
| [17:41:19] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Speaking of which, would you object to my removing the symlink line from myth_archive_job.pl |
| [17:41:35] | CyberKnet: | Captain_Murdoch: very nice, thanks for the tip. |
| [17:41:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, no, feel free, or make it an option if you want. |
| [17:41:48] | sphery: | is there ever a reason to make the link? |
| [17:42:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | not really, none that I know of |
| [17:42:17] | sphery: | I'll go the easy route, then. :) |
| [17:42:25] | iamlindoro: | heh, you'll find out when someone caterwauls on the list when you change it |
| [17:42:34] | sphery: | guess so |
| [17:42:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | they can use an old copy. |
| [17:42:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: what trade-offs exist currently between using files versus storage groups with MythVideo? |
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| [17:42:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | does the current version support SGs? |
| [17:43:04] | iamlindoro: | "OK, which one of you B****es took away size:small?" |
| [17:43:06] | sphery: | but if that someone is using 0.18.1, they can just use a version from closer to their version of Myth |
| [17:43:31] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: the current version of archive_job? |
| [17:43:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah |
| [17:43:36] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [17:43:51] | sphery: | no, it doesn't... I could hack in some bindings usage that gets the list of SG dirs, etc |
| [17:44:02] | sphery: | the hardest part, though, is figuring out what host we're currently on |
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| [17:44:21] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: In short, no playback of ISO from SGs, and no use of external players |
| [17:44:24] | sphery: | (i.e. because there's the LocalHostName unique identifier/override and stuff) |
| [17:44:24] | squidly: | storage groups dont really require you to use nfs on between your frontend and backend |
| [17:44:28] | tmkt: | any idea what would be causing random lockups with v0.22? |
| [17:44:35] | ** Captain_Murdoch can't remember the code he wrote. it doesn't really need to support SG's since it takes a dirname and filename as options. ** | |
| [17:44:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: There were previously many more limitations, but most of them have been solved in the past month or two |
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| [17:44:44] | kormoc: | tmkt: the lack of it's existence perhaps? |
| [17:44:52] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: those are not disadvantages for me |
| [17:44:58] | Dagmar: | Come on |
| [17:45:01] | Dagmar: | That's only a minor hindrance. |
| [17:45:04] | sphery: | tmkt: if truly random, perhaps it's cosmic rays--they're at an all-(recorded-)time high right now due to the solar minimum |
| [17:45:05] | Dagmar: | Just look at E3 coverage. |
| [17:45:11] | tmkt: | that was my guess |
| [17:45:16] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:45:27] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: If you can live with those, then it's pretty much all advantages from then on |
| [17:45:32] | tmkt: | so i put the server in a lead walled room |
| [17:45:37] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: neither the Internal player or other external players can play back high bitrate videos via nfs or samba |
| [17:45:38] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: My favorite is the "zero conf" frontend |
| [17:45:49] | kormoc: | tmkt: superman will break in to see what you're hiding |
| [17:45:54] | tmkt: | at the bottom of the SNO observatory in sudbury |
| [17:46:01] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I dunno, I used to do so without issue, but... |
| [17:46:10] | tmkt: | backend working great |
| [17:46:13] | iamlindoro: | I continue to not have issues with those same files via SG |
| [17:46:46] | sphery: | tmkt: or in the middle of a neutrino detector |
| [17:46:48] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: bottom line is that I've never had issue with mythtv streaming while nfs and samba have sucked for me |
| [17:46:58] | sphery: | they do a good job of shielding those things from cosmic rays |
| [17:47:03] | tmkt: | thats the SNO |
| [17:47:08] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: so the SG feature is a big deal for me |
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| [17:47:11] | tmkt: | Sudbury Neutrino Observatory |
| [17:47:13] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Cool-- so as long as you don't need to play back DVD rips, and use Internal, you should be in good shape |
| [17:47:17] | tmkt: | bottom of an old mine shaft |
| [17:47:35] | sphery: | tmkt: ah, didn't notice you mentioned that already |
| [17:47:48] | kormoc: | sphery: but then a stray neutrino can cascade into the plasma stream and cause a temporal anonymity which flips a bit to 0.5! |
| [17:47:51] | tmkt: | ok..thinking of doing a clean install of mythbuntu 9.10 beta – a wiki someewhere showing me what to backup so I dont lose my recordings? |
| [17:48:01] | iamlindoro: | Being able to plug in a new frontend, give it a working config.xml, and already have mythvideo and Recordings work is huge to me |
| [17:48:05] | sphery: | woah... that would be bad... |
| [17:48:16] | iamlindoro: | not that I add frontends often, but I do care about the user experience |
| [17:48:22] | sphery: | tmkt: do a full backup, as at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [17:48:28] | tmkt: | ok perfect |
| [17:48:33] | sphery: | tmkt: on the new system, ideally do a full restore |
| [17:48:48] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: the Internal player wasn't an option last week due to the bugs I've been resolving |
| [17:49:03] | sphery: | tmkt: and it's easiest if you use the same hostname for old/new systems--otherwise, you may need to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend after restoring the old backup, but /before/ starting /any/ mythtv apps |
| [17:49:12] | tmkt: | nah..same hostname |
| [17:49:15] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: now everything is playing fine for me |
| [17:49:19] | tmkt: | dont want to do anything to complicated |
| [17:49:21] | sphery: | best approach, by far |
| [17:49:27] | tmkt: | just know that the update-manager -D |
| [17:49:31] | tmkt: | messed things up pretty good |
| [17:49:46] | tmkt: | remote isn't working anymore |
| [17:49:51] | tmkt: | and everything is freezing up |
| [17:50:19] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: nice :) |
| [17:50:58] | CyberKnet: | I mentioned a new version of MythTV coming out to my wife. She threatened to kill me if I so much as thought about upgrading ;) |
| [17:51:11] | iamlindoro: | So you told her to get you a sandwich? |
| [17:51:13] | CyberKnet: | to her, upgrade == Extended TV Outage – based on previous history. |
| [17:51:17] | tmkt: | Cyberknet show her the screenshots |
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| [17:51:21] | tmkt: | and the videos |
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| [17:51:43] | CyberKnet: | tmkt: We used atrpms bleeding on Fedora up to a few weeks ago, so we've seen some SVN stuff – it's all very nice. |
| [17:51:53] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [17:51:58] | CyberKnet: | I really liked Terra |
| [17:52:19] | sphery: | CyberKnet: or print out a large picture of the screenshots and tape it to the TV screen... Then, if it takes a while, you can just say that she must be using it wrong if it doesn't do anything... |
| [17:52:21] | tmkt: | i love graphite |
| [17:52:28] | tmkt: | terra is beauty also |
| [17:52:30] | tmkt: | can't decide |
| [17:53:01] | iamlindoro: | with any luck you will have many, many more options for .23 |
| [17:53:15] | iamlindoro: | You should have at least five choices early in .22 |
| [17:53:19] | squidly: | :D |
| [17:53:30] | squidly: | I should try my hand at theming |
| [17:53:32] | CyberKnet: | The theme designers have been doing amazing jobs. |
| [17:53:45] | CyberKnet: | much props to them – it's a hard thing to do for most of us. |
| [17:54:10] | iamlindoro: | squidly: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [17:54:25] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: It's a hard thing to do for the theme designers, too :) |
| [17:54:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I just decided to get smart and run iperf between my frontend and my backend and I'm getting ~ 10 Mbits/sec |
| [17:54:51] | elmojo: | awesome! |
| [17:54:56] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Much props and kudos to them for making things that allow me to enjoy MythTV so much. |
| [17:58:08] | CyberKnet: | One thing that always irked me in the Recorded TV screen was if a recording didn't record all the way for some reason it still shows the original time period. So maybe you intended 1:00pm-1:30pm, and recorded from 1:00pm – 1:16pm ... can I modify the theme to show the actual end time instead of the intended end time? |
| [17:58:59] | iamlindoro: | You could put recstarttime and recendtime in |
| [17:59:17] | iamlindoro: | versus starttime and endtime |
| [17:59:31] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... maybe I'll mess around with that. It's very infrequent that it would help (usually when I've been hosing with the backend) but it would definitely help on occasion. |
| [17:59:45] | CyberKnet: | Is there an reason to prefer starttime and endtime over recstarttime and recendtime? |
| [18:00:21] | iamlindoro: | many people would prefer not to see their pre-roll/postroll/whatever delay MBE had in getting the recording started |
| [18:00:30] | CyberKnet: | that makes sene. |
| [18:00:44] | iamlindoro: | to me, 9:53:27–10:01:15 makes less sense than 9:00–10:00 |
| [18:01:06] | gbee: | but you can edit the theme to change that should you want |
| [18:01:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Oh, speaking of ready for deletion--MythTV is no longer on page 1 of Google results for "Apple trailers" now that we've removed the content from the page that linked and explained usage of the script that violates the Apple website ToS |
| [18:01:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I was mentioning that to him |
| [18:01:18] | gbee: | oh, iamlindoro already said that |
| [18:01:36] | iamlindoro: | sphery: what a shame ;) |
| [18:01:39] | CyberKnet: | gbee: Yes, thanks. I wasn't trying to suggest that someone else should modify themes to suit me – I hope it didn't come across that way. |
| [18:01:53] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Don't think it came across that way |
| [18:02:09] | CyberKnet: | Oh, and I just found the theme xml reference for the recordings screen |
| [18:02:42] | iamlindoro: | Yes, we're trying to make sure good, up to date, and easy references for MythUI are available |
| [18:02:51] | gbee: | with mythui I'd encourage people to make custom changes to themes to suit their own tastes, it's certainly better than adding dozens of settings to do the same level of customisation and not difficult |
| [18:02:54] | sphery: | I'm actually glad that Dagmar was thinking outside the box and actually removed the content from the page (even though it hadn't been deleted, yet). |
| [18:02:57] | CyberKnet: | I really appreciate it. It's very detailed. |
| [18:04:22] | CyberKnet: | Oooh, a progress bar to show free space. Now that would be nifty on the recordings screen. The things you learn you can do... :) |
| [18:04:46] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: http://www.fecitfacta.com/vbl-2.png bottom left |
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| [18:05:08] | sphery: | bottom left or /very/ bottom left (vbl?) :) |
| [18:05:17] | iamlindoro: | heh, variable buttonlist |
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| [18:06:06] | kormoc: | just need to get the buttons to be variable and justinh will kiss ya |
| [18:06:21] | sphery: | which would be a variable-button list? |
| [18:06:33] | kormoc: | likely |
| [18:06:38] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: They are, in that screenshot |
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| [18:06:50] | sphery: | ooh, they are |
| [18:06:53] | kormoc: | ooh! |
| [18:06:55] | iamlindoro: | jpabq wrote the patch, that screenshot is from my testing of it last night |
| [18:07:12] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Yeah, that's what I was envisioning. |
| [18:07:15] | kormoc: | teach me for not looking at the link |
| [18:07:36] | sphery: | teach me for not being observant enough to notice that they're actually variable |
| [18:07:42] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:07:55] | sphery: | It just looks so good, I don't see the details |
| [18:08:02] | iamlindoro: | yeah yeah ;) |
| [18:08:06] | CyberKnet: | what exactly is the button list in that screenshot? |
| [18:08:24] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: There are two, right and left... literally, a list of buttons |
| [18:08:48] | sphery: | the one on the right has variable-sized buttons |
| [18:09:00] | gbee: | CyberKnet: right hand side, the list of recordings, let hand side the list of titles |
| [18:09:00] | iamlindoro: | the right list has a variable size selected item, which is not possible in the current code, but opens all sorts of awesome possibilities |
| [18:09:04] | CyberKnet: | I get it now, thanks. |
| [18:09:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Fixes the lack of a variable-sized button? |
| [18:09:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: hahahahahaha |
| [18:09:31] | CyberKnet: | "is not possible in the current code" ... but is with the patch, I take it? |
| [18:09:43] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: correct |
| [18:09:50] | CyberKnet: | Will that patch make it for .22? |
| [18:09:58] | gbee: | variable bit being illustrated by the selected button being larger than the rest (but not overlapping, which was possible previously) |
| [18:10:02] | sphery: | It's a FRWP (Feature Request With Patch) |
| [18:10:21] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: No, but hopefully for .23 |
| [18:10:26] | gbee: | CyberKnet: no, we're in feature freeze and it's just too invasive |
| [18:10:28] | CyberKnet: | gbee: Yeah, I'd never noticed before that all buttons in a button list had to be the same size. |
| [18:10:32] | Dagmar: | So it's only a matter of time before someone makes a mac kicker theme |
| [18:10:45] | CyberKnet: | aah. Hopefully we're not looking at another 10 month cycle for .23 :) |
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| [18:11:01] | sphery: | I'm envisioning the MePo guy whailing on an Apple computer... |
| [18:11:09] | CyberKnet: | Not that I'm complaining – I didn't help :) |
| [18:11:21] | gbee: | CyberKnet: not quite, Terra makes a lot of use of larger selected buttons, but does it by having them overlap their neighbours |
| [18:12:07] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: Plan is for a much quicker next release |
| [18:12:15] | sphery: | gbee: and using negative offsets? |
| [18:12:18] | gbee: | CyberKnet: probably February |
| [18:12:21] | sphery: | (=OpenGL painter only?) |
| [18:12:50] | gbee: | sphery: aye, but negative offsets aren't an issue unless they are off the screen negative :) |
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| [18:13:30] | gbee: | well I hope, I've certainly not had any complaints about Terra yet |
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| [18:13:50] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [18:14:12] | gbee: | and if I do, I might cry |
| [18:14:49] | gbee: | want to move on and not be continually fighting fires in old code |
| [18:14:55] | justinh: | why does everybody want to copy the mac? as if they're always right by default |
| [18:15:20] | squidly: | justinh: ?? |
| [18:15:35] | squidly: | oh the comments about Mac's |
| [18:15:53] | justinh: | shiny gets boring fast |
| [18:15:54] | squidly: | that is enuogh of a reason for me to NOT use an apple comp |
| [18:17:32] | Dagmar: | People can't come up with their own ideas. |
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| [18:18:13] | justinh: | yeah but just trying to ape shiny graphics.. I mean if somebody pulled off an appletv UI copy in mythtv I wouldn't like it |
| [18:18:31] | sphery: | Pear-wide? |
| [18:18:38] | iamlindoro: | Pearody |
| [18:18:42] | sphery: | that's it |
| [18:18:49] | justinh: | depends which areas.. but the stupid spinning thing with four menu items sucks |
| [18:19:18] | justinh: | or was that something else.. frontrow? |
| [18:19:23] | justinh: | anyway.. |
| [18:19:35] | iamlindoro: | frontrow, yeah |
| [18:19:52] | iamlindoro: | but no obscene parody names of that, please ;) |
| [18:20:05] | justinh: | back alley? |
| [18:20:13] | justinh: | back passage? |
| [18:20:23] | iamlindoro: | ...trow |
| [18:20:32] | justinh: | touche! |
| [18:21:09] | justinh: | really have been curtailing my use of the c word lately if I failed to spot that ;) |
| [18:21:28] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:21:28] | justinh: | and not just by replacing it with the word 'aunt' |
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| [18:22:39] | iamlindoro: | I get the impression it's considered substantially less obscene over there |
| [18:23:00] | iamlindoro: | I would say that here it far outstrips the f-bomb in pure nasty meanness |
| [18:23:02] | ** elmojo screams help! ** | |
| [18:23:25] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: my main frontend is toast |
| [18:23:33] | justinh: | iamlindoro: no, it's the other way around. f is way too commonplace so you 'c' to stand out |
| [18:23:48] | justinh: | for emphasis, as it were |
| [18:23:52] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: whahappen? |
| [18:23:56] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I remember you installed some ion-based ASRock |
| [18:24:05] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Yeah, just saying it's really not something said even in casual swearing here |
| [18:24:17] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: how did you like them? |
| [18:24:33] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I thought it was a nice system, and I thought the build quality was very good |
| [18:24:45] | justinh: | I blame Charlton Brooker :P Though he never actually says it.. it's C-bleep |
| [18:24:47] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I'm not 100% sold on VDPAU as the one and only effective renderer in a system, though |
| [18:24:55] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I think the PS or motherboard hit the bucket – either way I can't fix it cause it's a very old SFF system |
| [18:25:45] | justinh: | they were always prone to that risk elmojo |
| [18:26:02] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I've been happy with VDPAU but understand/agree with your opinions about it |
| [18:26:03] | justinh: | non-standard stuff always was & always will be |
| [18:26:34] | justinh: | I'd love to have a spare £250 to whack on one of those diddy asrock units. and another £500 for a spanky new telly |
| [18:26:39] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: That said the box at least has two cores so there's some hope for it taking up some slack when ffmpeg-mt is merged |
| [18:26:42] | elmojo: | justinh: I know – the question is now but another proprietary SFF or build one |
| [18:26:57] | elmojo: | s/but/buy/ |
| [18:27:08] | justinh: | oh wait, I'm still hung on whether HD is really worth having or not while I'm so interested in content having narrative |
| [18:27:36] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before *most* content is HD. Maybe then |
| [18:27:42] | iamlindoro: | So Heroes is only managing to be 60% asscrap this season, rather than the traditional 100% |
| [18:27:46] | elmojo: | iamlindor: I'm tempted by the Acer Revo here -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103228 |
| [18:27:59] | elmojo: | just because it's cheap – but no DVD drive and single core |
| [18:28:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I gave up on season erm. two I think |
| [18:28:07] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Single core, though... If VDPAU can't handle something, you're humped |
| [18:28:21] | elmojo: | also wondering if I can run Temporal or Temporal Spatial on HD 1080i or not |
| [18:28:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it'll be like having an epia frontend playing mpeg2 sdtv! |
| [18:28:53] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:29:01] | elmojo: | pretty sure worst case I could enable skip_chroma option and get VDPAU Temporal 2X working |
| [18:29:05] | justinh: | will it play? will it not play? Prace bet now! |
| [18:29:05] | iamlindoro: | wonder how many people will be angry with me for breaking MythVideo for them this release |
| [18:29:14] | elmojo: | no matter what I'm not going back to Bob |
| [18:29:21] | iamlindoro: | "My EPIA can't use Graphite + fanart!" |
| [18:29:28] | iamlindoro: | well boo friggidy hoo |
| [18:29:37] | EvilBob: | elmojo: and I am glad, I did not want you back... |
| [18:29:40] | EvilBob: | ;^) |
| [18:30:04] | elmojo: | hehe |
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| [18:30:36] | EvilBob: | Damn "Bob" highlight |
| [18:30:39] | EvilBob: | hehe |
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| [18:35:34] | justinh: | Oh yeah I know what I want next.. http://www.thebreakdown.co.uk/2009/10/05/get- . . . -the-launch/ |
| [18:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Hey guys, for some reason after an update to current trunk I can't create links with myth_archive_job.pl... What's up? |
| [18:37:58] | sphery: | symlinks were deprecated in Linux 2.6.23, so we removed their use... |
| [18:38:16] | PeaceKeeper: | no more symlinks! |
| [18:38:18] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:38:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Wondered if you would see that or if people would actually think I was asking |
| [18:38:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:39:01] | AndrewNC: | justinh: what is that, moby made a lightbrite? |
| [18:39:01] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok I am downloading Fedora 11 |
| [18:39:07] | sphery: | the all-seeing spErY(E) |
| [18:39:08] | PeaceKeeper: | I will load up test machine tonight |
| [18:39:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: That was a bit of a stretch ;) |
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| [18:40:19] | sphery: | Yeah, I should have chose my nick better all those years ago... :( |
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| [18:40:28] | iamlindoro: | and you dropped your "h" ;) |
| [18:40:36] | sphery: | oops, can't spell |
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| [18:41:46] | justinh: | AndrewNC: moby's more an abacus kinda guy, I think |
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| [18:47:24] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: re: myth_archive_job.pl, I may put in SG support to replace --directory (and maybe a few other bindings things), but it will depend on how long some of my other things (fixing broken DB's) takes--and if I don't get it done by 0.22 release, there's a good chance I'll concentrate on frontend/backend integration of recording/video file moving |
| [18:47:24] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: are those ASRock IONs mini-itx form factor? |
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| [18:47:37] | AndrewNC: | I wonder what percent of irc netsplits are due to illicit activity |
| [18:48:01] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Not having measured I can't be sure-- seemed ever so slightly smaller, but I don't know |
| [18:48:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, ok. |
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| [18:48:49] | AndrewNC: | I'm writing a control library for my sony amp over rs232... is there any real reason to enable .5db volume increments? |
| [18:49:20] | iamlindoro: | extreme analness? :) |
| [18:49:34] | squidly: | lol |
| [18:49:52] | squidly: | AndrewNC: will that link direcly in to mythtv or how will you set up the control for it? |
| [18:49:55] | AndrewNC: | that is my thought... reading between the lines of the sony press doc it is marketing feature anyay |
| [18:49:56] | kormoc: | I demand IEEE 754 floating point volume control |
| [18:50:04] | squidly: | I'm doing something similar for my LG tv |
| [18:50:19] | AndrewNC: | squidly: my goal is to write a alsa control plugin, so volume adjustment in mythtv "just works" |
| [18:50:35] | AndrewNC: | intercept the vol adjustments for the spdif output |
| [18:50:35] | squidly: | AndrewNC: ahh coolness |
| [18:50:50] | AndrewNC: | but alsa is strange and foriegn to me, lions tigers and bears |
| [18:50:52] | sphery: | good approach |
| [18:51:01] | justinh: | sure? I thought alsa is dead |
| [18:51:02] | sphery: | can you actually read current values from it, though? |
| [18:51:11] | sphery: | i.e. does it tell you what the volume level is? |
| [18:51:23] | justinh: | and FYI the 'slider' on the SPDIF output really isn't a volume control |
| [18:51:25] | squidly: | I'm actually doing somehting a bit different because I need power control, volume and input settings |
| [18:51:26] | AndrewNC: | the amp? yes I can read over the serial link |
| [18:51:30] | justinh: | it's generally a source selector |
| [18:51:32] | AndrewNC: | query on/off status, etc |
| [18:51:43] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:51:48] | kormoc: | "Are you on?" "No....." |
| [18:51:51] | sphery: | wonder if my (old) Sony STR-DE935 can do that |
| [18:51:59] | AndrewNC: | apparently, the amp has 3 seperate 12volt trigers that can be signaled to "raise curtains" or "turn off lights" etc, neato |
| [18:52:04] | ** kormoc imagines shifty eyed amps ** | |
| [18:52:11] | squidly: | lol |
| [18:52:12] | AndrewNC: | sphery: it have a db9 rs232 port? |
| [18:52:19] | sphery: | no idea |
| [18:52:48] | AndrewNC: | I think sony kept the same protocol among receivers |
| [18:53:07] | AndrewNC: | how old? my da7-es is about 7 years-ish (just pre-hdmi) |
| [18:53:12] | sphery: | looks like only S-link |
| [18:54:02] | sphery: | heh, http://www.cern.ch/hsi/s-link/ |
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| [18:55:53] | AndrewNC: | s-link is related to hdmi CEC right? |
| [18:56:22] | sphery: | it's an /old/ proprietary control mechanism used by Sony |
| [18:56:31] | sphery: | so if all your stuff was Sony, it worked together |
| [18:56:49] | justinh: | out of band signalling is evil IMHO |
| [18:57:01] | justinh: | a bastard to grasp on stuff like HDMI too |
| [18:57:07] | sphery: | I'd equate it more to IR remote over a cable |
| [18:57:17] | justinh: | still OOB signals though |
| [18:57:35] | justinh: | get into that, mister homebrewer! |
| [18:57:36] | sphery: | though it is bidi |
| [18:57:51] | AndrewNC: | I want HDMI CEC via linux :-( |
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| [18:57:58] | justinh: | I want ponies |
| [18:58:01] | AndrewNC: | http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=STRDE935 |
| [18:58:04] | AndrewNC: | lol, worst pdf manual evar |
| [18:58:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:58:30] | AndrewNC: | they have dishonored all of their ancestors with that pdf |
| [18:58:40] | sphery: | wow |
| [18:58:46] | sphery: | it's really bad |
| [18:58:57] | sphery: | I think I'd actually find reading my paper copy easier |
| [18:59:06] | justinh: | AndrewNC: you just have to work out how to send out of band signals over HDMI, after working out the protocol with a massively expensive analyser |
| [18:59:06] | sphery: | (and it doesn't have the redacted stuff :) |
| [18:59:09] | AndrewNC: | it is a scan of a photocopy of a fax of one they pulled out of a garage sale |
| [18:59:31] | AndrewNC: | justinh: the protocol is documented, I just need hardware that supports it |
| [18:59:39] | justinh: | what what what?! |
| [18:59:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did i see you mention a couple days ago that ALL entries in mythvideo now use relative paths? |
| [18:59:43] | sphery: | AndrewNC: told you it was an old reciever--seemingly it was made before computer-based word processing... |
| [18:59:44] | justinh: | they *documented* it?! |
| [18:59:50] | wagnerrp: | both storagegroup and local content? |
| [18:59:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: no, just those hosted in SGs |
| [19:00:03] | AndrewNC: | it is just a dedicated pin that uses some protocol I forgot |
| [19:00:06] | justinh: | that sounds like they actually want it to succeed on some level. Bloody weird |
| [19:00:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: no, all of them do |
| [19:00:12] | AndrewNC: | some guy sells a usb box to tap into it |
| [19:00:28] | sphery: | iamlindoro: where the relative might be relative to VideoStartupDir dirs |
| [19:00:29] | justinh: | this is planet Earth still right? |
| [19:00:37] | AndrewNC: | however, I have no idea (or doubts) that nvidia hardware supports it, or has driver access |
| [19:00:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Erm... where do you get that idea? |
| [19:00:57] | wagnerrp: | it was some comment about using a preceding '/' in the path to determine the difference |
| [19:01:07] | justinh: | AndrewNC: so it's not using OOB signalling? didn't think there were control signals on HDMI |
| [19:01:11] | wagnerrp: | but now that doesnt work because no filenames will start with a '/' |
| [19:01:16] | justinh: | I'm happy to be wrong :) |
| [19:01:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: a preceding / is just proof that it's a local file, since filenames of local stuff are absolute |
| [19:01:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: from the code I modified in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21924 |
| [19:01:35] | AndrewNC: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#CEC |
| [19:01:50] | AndrewNC: | industry standard av-link protocol |
| [19:01:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: That's not in videometadata |
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| [19:02:12] | justinh: | heh. always the pessimist, me :D |
| [19:02:25] | justinh: | one wire bidi. Nice |
| [19:02:31] | AndrewNC: | all brands have their own flavor it seems |
| [19:02:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ah, yeah, that's filemarkup (or whatever)... nvm |
| [19:02:39] | ** iamlindoro grumbles ** | |
| [19:02:47] | AndrewNC: | but their is a move to standardize the command sets |
| [19:02:49] | iamlindoro: | sass talk me about MythVideo when you don't even use it... |
| [19:02:54] | justinh: | AndrewNC: wiki article seems to say same protocol different names |
| [19:03:13] | sphery: | I'm just trying to spread rumors which you'll be attempting to quash for the next 12mos |
| [19:03:21] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
| [19:03:33] | iamlindoro: | I heard the DB backup script corrupts databases |
| [19:03:36] | AndrewNC: | the protocol is the same, but I think that the commands to do things differ |
| [19:03:37] | iamlindoro: | and knocks up your daughter |
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| [19:03:52] | AndrewNC: | e.g. telnet is telnet, but telnet to mythtv does one thing, port 80 another |
| [19:03:54] | wagnerrp: | so... videometadata still uses absolute paths then |
| [19:04:00] | justinh: | AndrewNC: lol. poweroff on Sony == burn the house down on Samsung? |
| [19:04:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: for locally hosted files, yes |
| [19:04:07] | AndrewNC: | likely ;-) |
| [19:04:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: hey, I didn't say yours didn't work... |
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| [19:04:24] | AndrewNC: | but even still, just write plugins for each, I'd take it |
| [19:04:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yeah yeah ;) |
| [19:04:37] | ** justinh can see it now. exclusions in home & buildings insurance if you use OSS at home ** | |
| [19:04:53] | justinh: | AndrewNC: maybe bind it to external lookup tables or scripts :) |
| [19:05:17] | justinh: | mzb has been playing with putting pre & post play scripts in mythfrontend |
| [19:05:25] | AndrewNC: | yeah, nothing impossible... that usb box is like 100$ tho, too pricey I think, I got no info from nvidia |
| [19:05:52] | justinh: | $100 for something with a micro in it? bet there's a DIY project before long |
| [19:05:53] | wagnerrp: | i can use parentheses to separate parts of 'where' clauses right? |
| [19:05:56] | AndrewNC: | firm I used to work for placed many hardware engineers at nvidia, so maybe I can get some contacts and sleuth out info |
| [19:06:00] | sphery: | I should look into getting one for my TV (which has a /very/ well documented serial-control protocol |
| [19:06:08] | wagnerrp: | like 'where <blah> or (<blah> and <blah>)' |
| [19:06:12] | sphery: | getting one = generic A/V control software |
| [19:06:13] | justinh: | AndrewNC: bet the pin isn't even wired up |
| [19:06:25] | AndrewNC: | justinh: probably not, but just to know definitively would be nice |
| [19:06:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep |
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| [19:07:16] | justinh: | aren't those one wire xceivers like $2 a pop? ;-) |
| [19:07:39] | AndrewNC: | you'd need the hdmi jacks, and pass through wiring |
| [19:08:22] | justinh: | not hard |
| [19:08:27] | justinh: | butcher a coupler |
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| [19:09:07] | justinh: | so where's the protocol actually documented? |
| [19:09:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, Trac is up and down like a roller coaster |
| [19:09:54] | AndrewNC: | dunno, but wikipedia says it is, so it must be true |
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| [19:10:34] | justinh: | so I searched on av link protocol documentation & google says "Tip: These results do not include the word "documentation"" |
| [19:11:26] | AndrewNC: | google has been doing that to me all the time lately |
| [19:13:06] | AndrewNC: | if you come up with a protocol and a homebrew design, I'll help out :-) |
| [19:13:53] | AndrewNC: | the hdmi docs include CEC info, if you can find a freely available copy |
| [19:13:58] | sphery: | AndrewNC: this guy has links to some S-Link stuff: http://www.brian-patti.com/s-link/ |
| [19:14:40] | sphery: | though I think it's all reverse-engineered stuff |
| [19:14:46] | sphery: | and probably not generically useful |
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| [19:17:42] | AndrewNC: | looks like no 120hz refresh rate in hdmi1.4 |
| [19:18:16] | AndrewNC: | sphery: think I've seen that before, unrelated to their rs232 protocol tho |
| [19:18:33] | AndrewNC: | there is a pdf and an xls on the net from the sony japan engineers that wrote the protocol |
| [19:19:10] | AndrewNC: | tough to grok engrish descriptions of bit fiddling, but I've gotten most of it sofar |
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| [19:19:59] | AndrewNC: | lol, that slink sight isn't y2k compliant :-P |
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| [19:24:36] | sphery: | yeah, I just need to get a new receiver, but I'm deferring purchase until I decide what I want |
| [19:26:07] | AndrewNC: | got this one free from my dad when he upgraded, works great |
| [19:26:31] | AndrewNC: | just no hdmi |
| [19:35:27] | justinh: | bet we have hdmi specs at work |
| [19:36:23] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: which VDPAU deinterlacers did you use on those ION systems? and did they place MPEG2 1080i? |
| [19:36:50] | iamlindoro: | Think I set Temporal 2x and Advanced 1x |
| [19:37:03] | iamlindoro: | and I didn't notice any issues w/ 1080i MPEG-2 |
| [19:38:03] | CyberKnet: | sphery: What kind are you after? |
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| [19:39:15] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: excellent – running 0.22? |
| [19:39:26] | iamlindoro: | no, just trunk ;) |
| [19:39:32] | elmojo: | sorry! |
| [19:39:37] | elmojo: | jumped the gun |
| [19:39:56] | justinh: | seeing a lot of time-travellers these days |
| [19:40:30] | sphery: | CyberKnet: that's the problem--I don't know what I want at all |
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| [19:40:51] | justinh: | freakin asus futurenet motherboards with their flux capacitor based vcore regulators |
| [19:41:00] | sphery: | and it will likely have a lot to do with my next TV selection, so I'll probabyl delay until I replace my TV |
| [19:41:14] | sphery: | (which probably won't happen until SED (or NED) is available) |
| [19:42:16] | justinh: | guys at work have been waffling about buying LED Tvs.. they're kinda mistaken I think ;) |
| [19:42:17] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Aaah. I also am looking, though with a focus on "can't afford anything" |
| [19:42:38] | squidly: | sphery: ned? |
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| [19:44:24] | sphery: | squidly: Right-diddly-O... |
| [19:44:30] | flexy: | I have a season of Family Guy as avi files. They play with mplayer and ffplay. But myth internal player plays them without sound. Should I make a ticket or just forget that warez is not working... :) |
| [19:44:37] | PatrickD`: | how would I go about changing a channel? my cable channel 5.3 shows up as schedulesdirect channel 5.1 |
| [19:44:46] | sphery: | SED is a simplified version of NED |
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| [19:45:08] | justinh: | flexy: maybe you should get mythtv built with the right audio codec support |
| [19:45:23] | justinh: | or re-rip your FG collection |
| [19:45:24] | sphery: | really, both SED and NED are FED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_emission_display |
| [19:45:39] | sphery: | Up with FED. Get FED up! |
| [19:46:53] | justinh: | flexy: ffmpeg -i $filename will tell you the audio codec used |
| [19:46:57] | flexy: | justinh: according to mplayer commandline output, they are "Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 24000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 48 kb/s" and for example music player plays mp3 files OK. |
| [19:47:19] | justinh: | mp3, 24khz? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW |
| [19:47:36] | justinh: | methinks mplayer lies |
| [19:47:39] | justinh: | try ffmpeg |
| [19:47:54] | flexy: | sorry, that output was from ffmpeg |
| [19:48:12] | sphery: | So, NED = Motorola's name for FED ("Nano-emissive display") and SED is Canon's simplification of FED ("Surface-conduction electron-emitter display") |
| [19:48:44] | sphery: | I'd actually be happy with any FED, but SED and NED seem to be the most likely to be seen soon |
| [19:48:59] | justinh: | so the problem might be that the audio samplerate is retarded |
| [19:49:22] | flexy: | I agree, it seems a bit odd. :) |
| [19:50:41] | justinh: | so dump the files & re-rip em :) |
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| [19:52:23] | flexy: | that is a wise thing to do. I was just thinking that if it is easy to fix, maybe some one capable wants to do it. I really can't code myself. Just take backtraces when I get a chance... |
| [20:00:31] | flexy: | well... |
| [20:08:00] | AndrewNC: | don't look at me, took me an hour to figure out how to print a signed byte via printf :-P |
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| [20:08:08] | flexy: | to another matter. I'm seeing white levels burned (fully saturated) in some places. Myth does not make any modifications on dvb recordings, does it? |
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| [20:09:06] | sphery: | flexy: none at all during recording |
| [20:10:01] | sphery: | flexy: you may have specified either a filter on playback or Xv color controls (hit F during playback and you can adjust--if your video card supports them, and many new ones don't) or video card controls (like nvidia-settings) |
| [20:10:12] | flexy: | sphery: right, I suspected it. |
| [20:11:06] | flexy: | I'm using vdpau and I should not be using any playback adjustments... |
| [20:11:08] | sphery: | so, you can play back in a different app on a different computer/monitor (ideally completely different setup with different video card and/or OS--or at least distro) and see if it's likely your system config or the video itself was badly encoded |
| [20:11:25] | sphery: | still look at nvidia-settings |
| [20:11:33] | sphery: | gamma and brightness and ... |
| [20:12:06] | flexy: | I did actually just that. screen captured from mplayer on my laptop. gimp showed what the eye telled me too |
| [20:12:43] | flexy: | and I have used spyder to make an icc profile to fix the colors... |
| [20:13:17] | flexy: | I'm just little unsure if vdpau follows icc profile |
| [20:14:12] | flexy: | I have done a really dark icc profile, I must check with that if vdpau "obeys" it |
| [20:14:44] | flexy: | menus, picture gallery atleast obeys it |
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| [20:15:06] | juju_: | hello |
| [20:15:16] | flexy: | Is it possible that cable provider over saturates the signal so badly... |
| [20:17:44] | justinh: | with dvb you get what you get |
| [20:18:06] | flexy: | yeah, I know. Just can't believe that provider makes this kind of shit |
| [20:18:08] | justinh: | so if it looks like ass that's what's broadcast |
| [20:18:12] | flexy: | take a look at the screenshot |
| [20:18:19] | flexy: | just a moment |
| [20:19:11] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked and brad3: Where you guys looking for the scripts to go with my HD-PVR loss less edit process? |
| [20:19:20] | flexy: | http://www.4shared.com/dir/18685654/d0534a68/sharing.html |
| [20:19:38] | juju_: | I try to play audio cd with mythmusic, but I'm facing a little problem: the sound stutter... it appears every 15 seconds, when the drive read a chunk of data. It seems that the drive is reading data too late so there is nothing to output before the next chunk has been read... |
| [20:19:45] | juju_: | Anyone encountered this problem ? |
| [20:20:02] | flexy: | take a look at the overalls... Knight in shiny armor :D |
| [20:20:06] | justinh: | wtf is that 4shared crap?!! |
| [20:20:43] | flexy: | a free file sharing site I've used to make some big files available |
| [20:20:43] | justinh: | does look a bit overblown, but I've seen much, much worse |
| [20:21:12] | justinh: | looks like they're overprocessed it a tad for 'hd' |
| [20:21:41] | flexy: | yeah |
| [20:21:47] | justinh: | and I hope I never see that site again in my life. eew |
| [20:21:56] | flexy: | :D |
| [20:22:13] | justinh: | because uploading files is so difficult they have to bend over backwards to make it look like a windows95 explorer |
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| [20:22:42] | flexy: | ok... :) I've just been happy that I don't have to pay for it :) |
| [20:22:51] | justinh: | they should pay you |
| [20:23:06] | flexy: | it was the first free file sharing server I found when I searched it in a hurry :) |
| [20:23:10] | juju_: | And yes, before you ask me, I see the FAQ and I disabled direct ac3 output, agressive sound buffering, etc. |
| [20:24:39] | flexy: | justinh: is it normally so that they do not even come to close to full saturated values on broadcast tv? |
| [20:24:59] | justinh: | back when broadcast standards actually meant something yeah |
| [20:25:37] | justinh: | but that was before digital TV |
| [20:26:09] | flexy: | ok, I thought I remembered something like that. |
| [20:26:36] | AndyCap: | flexy: then again, who knows what happened to the signal before your provider inserted it into your digital stream |
| [20:26:56] | flexy: | I must be checking for this at all other channels also... And make a complaint to provider. But I'm sure it leads to nothing. They have marbles for eyes... |
| [20:27:25] | AndyCap: | flexy: nah, they have no incentive to care. |
| [20:27:26] | flexy: | AndyCap: true. but they still are providing it. should make sure that it has some quality... |
| [20:27:39] | AndyCap: | flexy: why? :) most people still pay |
| [20:28:03] | AndyCap: | and they probably have a regional monopoly so. |
| [20:28:14] | flexy: | yeah, I know. I tried to complain of a pay-tv channels, which had black bars on every side... vertically and horizontally |
| [20:28:56] | AndyCap: | flexy: well, they probably think it only has bars on two sides. :) top and bottom. |
| [20:29:05] | jduggan: | hey, for any brits that didnt realise.. trueblood is airing on c4 tomorrow night, set your recording schedule up :) |
| [20:29:11] | AndyCap: | :) but you went and bought a 16:9 tv. |
| [20:29:16] | flexy: | they just did not understand. perhaps myth was not able to zoom the picture (and lose the resolution) like commercial dvb receivers. and those marble eyes did not see anything wrong with their zoomed pictures... |
| [20:29:48] | AndyCap: | most annoying feature of the cable provider here. sending 16:9 channels in 4:3 letterbox. |
| [20:30:02] | AndyCap: | Yay! |
| [20:30:16] | flexy: | yeah, 16:9 50". 4:3 picture should have bars, but just on sides. not top and bottom too... |
| [20:31:10] | AndyCap: | flexy: not if the 4:3 picture contains 16:9 letterbox from an analog signal they just mpeg encoded and stuffed into the stream.. and probably oversaturated it along the way for good measure. :> |
| [20:31:14] | AndrewNC: | AndyCap: just "zoom" |
| [20:31:46] | AndyCap: | AndrewNC: that doesn't change the fact that they provide crap. |
| [20:31:51] | AndrewNC: | I believe mfe has a feature to autodetect that and zoom |
| [20:31:52] | flexy: | AndrewNC: and lose the resolution. but then again, it's already lost when they packaged it so.. |
| [20:31:55] | AndrewNC: | no, that is true |
| [20:32:10] | justinh: | AFAIK F1 coverage is shot by one company & distributed to whoever pays for it |
| [20:32:15] | meshe_: | makes me glad I don't pay a monthly cable bill, i'd cancel it otherwise |
| [20:32:22] | AndyCap: | but I suspect they think it's incentivizing purchase of HD |
| [20:32:42] | AndyCap: | at extra cost, extra boxes and extra encraption of course. |
| [20:32:44] | flexy: | justinh: that should be just that. but in which format do they distribute it? |
| [20:32:58] | justinh: | proper HD no doubt |
| [20:33:15] | justinh: | very high bitrate, pristine quality I suspect |
| [20:33:21] | flexy: | justinh: OK, then they reencode it here |
| [20:33:33] | AndyCap: | heh, garbage in = garbage out does unfortunately not mean gold in = gold out. |
| [20:33:42] | flexy: | it's normal SD resolution here. Might even be interlaced... |
| [20:34:08] | justinh: | depends – they have different rates for HD/SD I expect |
| [20:34:25] | flexy: | Stream #0.0[0x130]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576 [PAR 64:45 DAR 16:9], 4900 kb/s, 25 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc |
| [20:34:37] | flexy: | SD resolution here |
| [20:34:59] | AndyCap: | flexy: beside, you know who people will blame for crap picture. :) the content producer with their logo on the screen. |
| [20:35:14] | flexy: | AndyCap: true. |
| [20:35:27] | flexy: | but shit slides downwards |
| [20:35:35] | AndyCap: | hmm, I'm in the wrong line of business. |
| [20:36:39] | flexy: | customer complaints to the seller. |
| [20:36:52] | flexy: | seller complaints to importer |
| [20:36:55] | flexy: | etc |
| [20:37:27] | justinh: | customer complains to the seller. end of |
| [20:37:44] | flexy: | that is the way it goes. actually. |
| [20:37:47] | AndyCap: | flexy: cable provider only needs one or two good looking channels to remain blameless. the rest they can compress the heck out of and customer blames discovery instead of cable provider. |
| [20:37:59] | flexy: | when they get the monthly payment, they are satisfied |
| [20:38:22] | AndyCap: | no, no, channel X is fine, must be discovery that's crap. |
| [20:38:40] | brad3: | RDV_Linux: Yes I would love to see them |
| [20:38:47] | dustybin: | when i hit this command as root: ipcs, it shows mythtv has lots of entries, what does it mean? |
| [20:39:33] | AndyCap: | dustybin: it means it is time for you to read "man ipcs" and man ipc |
| [20:39:43] | flexy: | :D |
| [20:39:56] | dustybin: | aye ok, i thought maybe my mythtv is leaking memory as there are loads of entries |
| [20:40:03] | juju_: | anyone for an audio cd stutter problem ? |
| [20:40:33] | RDV_Linux: | brad3: Here is a link to an archive containing all scripts and a README on the process and how to set it up. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tz0dweklyjd |
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| [20:40:42] | justinh: | juju_: try a lens cleaner |
| [20:40:44] | flexy: | dustybin: I have actually no idea. But I would think that perhaps myth uses many threads? |
| [20:40:52] | brad3: | rdv: thanks bro, you are awesome! |
| [20:41:08] | justinh: | or maybe a higher spec DAC. Or some feet for the PSU & amplifier. Those vibrations cause jitter |
| [20:41:29] | juju_: | justinh: :) there's no problem with other players such as mplayer and xine |
| [20:41:37] | dustybin: | flexy: i havent a clue |
| [20:41:45] | flexy: | dustybin: neither do I :) |
| [20:42:05] | justinh: | juju_: they must have the special insulating feet :) |
| [20:42:29] | juju_: | justinh: too bad mythmusic miss it ;) |
| [20:42:45] | AndyCap: | justinh: or denonlink cable with clock to prevent jitter |
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| [20:48:03] | flexy: | hmmm. Is it possible to screen capture directly from FE? |
| [20:48:22] | justinh: | there's a keybinding for it somewhere |
| [20:48:36] | flexy: | justinh: what format does it output? |
| [20:49:16] | justinh: | png IIRC |
| [20:50:15] | flexy: | right. I must find the keybinding... I'll try to get some material to make a useless complaint of the over exposed channels |
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| [20:55:38] | sphery: | flexy: in trunk you can use the ScreenShot jump point for GUI screenshots (and playback screenshots with some video renderers) |
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| [20:55:59] | sphery: | flexy: in -fixes, you only have the SCREENSHOT keybinding which works only in playback, but works for all video renderers |
| [20:56:09] | flexy: | sphery: I'm using trunk |
| [20:56:22] | sphery: | (i.e. works by grabbing the frame from the video, not using the rendered video) |
| [20:56:35] | sphery: | then just map a key to the jump point and enjoy |
| [20:56:37] | flexy: | do you remember if it works with vdpau? |
| [20:57:14] | sphery: | never knew if it does :) |
| [20:57:25] | sphery: | I can barely spell VPDUA |
| [20:57:46] | flexy: | :D |
| [20:59:00] | flexy: | is the screenshot directory set in mythtv-setup? IIRC there is some storage group named screenshot or something |
| [20:59:34] | jams: | it's in the frontend |
| [20:59:39] | sphery: | flexy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 92813#392813 |
| [20:59:41] | jams: | general i ithink |
| [21:00:46] | flexy: | ok, thanks |
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| [21:01:10] | sphery: | jams gave the where, the post gives the "when it applies" |
| [21:03:31] | flexy: | right |
| [21:11:19] | CyberKnet: | see you guys tomorrow. I'm leaving early :) |
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| [21:16:59] | sircolin: | how can I tell mythtv that the backend ip has changed please ? |
| [21:17:31] | sphery: | which backend? |
| [21:17:44] | sphery: | the best way is to run mythtv-setup and change it in there |
| [21:18:13] | sircolin: | thank you I take it that's from the terminal ? |
| [21:18:33] | sphery: | if you didn't install mythtv-setup on a dedicated frontend-only system and you can't spare the 5MB of extra drive space required, you can do it with mythfrontend -p |
| [21:18:50] | sphery: | from the terminal should work |
| [21:19:02] | sphery: | though I can't guarantee your distro doesn't expect you to do it some other way |
| [21:19:24] | sphery: | sircolin: note, though, if you changed the hostname /and/ the IP address, you have a lot more stuff to fix up |
| [21:19:34] | sphery: | best bet is to never change hostnames |
| [21:19:35] | sircolin: | thanks I installed back and front on 1 box then a front end on another than my switch blow up lol |
| [21:20:26] | sircolin: | hostname remains just dhcp assigned a new ip |
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| [21:22:26] | mangus580: | hey guys, pros/cons of diskless front end |
| [21:24:07] | flexy: | it's diskless |
| [21:24:43] | kormoc: | Pro, it's diskless, Con, it's diskless, Neutral, it's diskless |
| [21:25:08] | juju_: | bye |
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| [21:25:35] | flexy: | I had once diskless FE. was it .18 or .19 at that time. |
| [21:26:11] | flexy: | It was a bitch to set to boot via net. When I got it to do so, it worked ok |
| [21:26:30] | flexy: | IIRC |
| [21:27:16] | jduggan: | pro is quiter, lower power, con is that its more work to optimise for speedy boot ups |
| [21:27:33] | flexy: | well, the biggest pro is the possibility to make it very small, but then again, being diskless does perhaps not make it so much smaller... |
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| [21:31:33] | mangus580: | so in a FE box that I plan to put in the basement and run cords up through the floor... its probably not worth going diskless? |
| [21:32:12] | jduggan: | no |
| [21:32:17] | jduggan: | id say nope |
| [21:32:19] | GreyFoxx: | For a FE only machine I see no reason to not go diskless. |
| [21:32:38] | Hiisty: | stupid question, i have one program that i can see on mythweb "upcoming" -page. it has status "still recording" that is failed and i would like to remove that entry, i can't remove it from mythweb, so my question is in which table that entry is stored |
| [21:32:44] | mangus580: | if I use disk... whats the OS of choice? |
| [21:32:49] | Hiisty: | it isn't in "recorded" |
| [21:32:57] | GreyFoxx: | mangus580: Go with whatever distro you are most familiar with |
| [21:33:06] | GreyFoxx: | it wil lsave you headache |
| [21:33:28] | mangus580: | kinda what I was figuring GreyFoxx |
| [21:34:23] | GreyFoxx: | Otherwise you end up just getting recommendations of what the other person likes and you get stu cking learning their distro :) |
| [21:35:09] | mangus580: | agreed |
| [21:35:30] | mangus580: | well, the server uses fedora 10 |
| [21:35:35] | mangus580: | so I should probably use that |
| [21:35:42] | mangus580: | is it possible to make it boot right to the FE? |
| [21:36:15] | flexy: | yes |
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| [21:36:18] | flexy: | fix inittab |
| [21:36:22] | mangus580: | k |
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| [21:36:35] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure you can. but not knowning the workings of Fedora I couldn't tell you exactly how. How I do it in Slackware I'm sure is quite different |
| [21:36:37] | flexy: | 3:23:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin=mythtv tty3 |
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| [21:36:58] | flexy: | I have that line in inittab |
| [21:37:05] | Hiisty: | anyone? |
| [21:37:09] | matey: | hi |
| [21:37:19] | flexy: | then something in .profile of the user mythtv |
| [21:37:45] | flexy: | + something in .xinitrc |
| [21:37:51] | mangus580: | I will have to read up on it |
| [21:38:06] | mangus580: | actually going to use fedroa 11... since I have had MUCH better luck with ATI vid cards on F11 |
| [21:39:10] | flexy: | do you want those files for getting it up at boot? |
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| [21:39:38] | mangus580: | well, if you are worried they wont work for fedora... I should probably go read some first? |
| [21:40:01] | flexy: | I'm not worried |
| [21:40:11] | flexy: | it's pretty straight forward, I think |
| [21:40:46] | flexy: | paste? no? |
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| [21:43:35] | mangus580: | I am not linux guru enough to know really :-) |
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| [21:44:03] | gnarface: | if you're using a graphical login manager like xdm or something like that you may need to set it in ~/.xsession instead of ~/.xinitrc |
| [21:44:34] | gnarface: | i think |
| [21:45:12] | gnarface: | inittab can be relevant too but i've never tried that |
| [21:46:30] | flexy: | I'm not using graphical login manager. It's a dedicated myth box |
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| [21:49:26] | Hiisty: | can someone give me a pointer where i should start solving my problem? |
| [21:50:17] | gnarface: | flexy: you just want myth to launch for every user after you log in? |
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| [21:50:35] | mangus580: | what do you guys use for video cards to the tv? (of course, you guys are prolly all HD) |
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| [21:51:32] | gnarface: | or was that mangus580's problem? |
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| [21:52:59] | sircolin: | Nova t 500 on ubuntu with 9400gt |
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| [21:53:32] | mangus580: | gnarface: thats my problem |
| [21:53:36] | flexy: | gnarface: no, myth launches at every boot. there is no one to log in, this box is just for myth. it's connected to my tv. no other way to watch tv here... :) |
| [21:53:46] | mangus580: | but... lets not dwell on it yet... I dont even have the FE box setup yet ;-) |
| [21:53:48] | flexy: | nvidia here |
| [21:54:02] | mangus580: | step one is setup the box |
| [21:54:10] | mangus580: | step 2 is figure out how I will get my vid output! |
| [21:54:24] | mangus580: | I might have to go steal a video card back from my parents... |
| [21:54:35] | mangus580: | as I just gave them a decent Nvidia with Svideo out last week |
| [21:54:44] | mangus580: | (and it didnt help their issue) |
| [21:55:10] | sircolin: | call it routine maintenance lol |
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| [21:55:16] | mangus580: | heh |
| [21:55:43] | mangus580: | their HD slingbox died... so I was trying to set them up with boxee for now |
| [21:55:52] | mangus580: | boxee wont play worth a darn on the box they were using in the kitchen |
| [21:56:19] | flexy: | it seems that screen capture puts 2 files out for every key stroke |
| [21:57:21] | sphery: | flexy: up to 5 |
| [21:57:38] | flexy: | wanted behaviour? |
| [21:57:48] | ** sphery says as if that's a good thing or as if it was designed like that ** | |
| [21:58:15] | sphery: | no, it's a bug, but not high priority (as many don't even know about the jumppoint) |
| [21:58:32] | flexy: | ok |
| [21:58:37] | flexy: | :) |
| [21:59:38] | flexy: | it's kind of shitty to not able to code... and I don't have time to learn. |
| [21:59:41] | xris: | Hiisty: in case you didn't get a reply... just restart the backend. |
| [22:00:39] | RDV_Linux: | It looks like a trunk compile error was introduced somewhere between r22266 and r22279 (r22279 just failed). http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1599714 |
| [22:01:01] | Hiisty: | xris, thanks i'll try that when it is in idle |
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| [22:03:34] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: probably [22279] |
| [22:04:08] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Thanks I guess I will just wait until it is fixed. |
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| [22:06:11] | xris: | Hiisty: the "currently recording" status in mythweb comes straight from the backend. sometimes it just gets confused and needs a kick. |
| [22:06:51] | portablejim: | ahy hints to solving "timeout scanning — no tables"? |
| [22:06:54] | portablejim: | *Any |
| [22:07:05] | Hiisty: | xris: ok, i was browsing trough database to see where that entry is. |
| [22:07:46] | sphery: | RDV_Linux: should be fixed |
| [22:07:53] | sphery: | errant paren |
| [22:08:07] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Thanks again |
| [22:08:15] | sphery: | thanks for pointing it out |
| [22:08:45] | xris: | Hiisty: the "currently recording" stuff wouldn't be in the database because it's a live status |
| [22:09:08] | sphery: | oops... I copy/pasted the wrong changeset number in the commit message. |
| [22:09:31] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Did I rush you? ;) |
| [22:09:38] | xris: | sphery: svn pe revprop -r 12345 svn:log |
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| [22:11:07] | sphery: | xris: if I do that, though, does it require re-syn'ing trac? |
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| [22:13:01] | sphery: | re-sync'ing, that was |
| [22:13:09] | xris: | sphery: it does. but then at least the svn logs are correct |
| [22:13:28] | sphery: | won't break the repo? |
| [22:13:34] | xris: | no |
| [22:13:37] | sphery: | ok, thanks |
| [22:13:38] | xris: | I've done it many times |
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| [22:13:50] | sphery: | I'll fix it and one other typo of mine on an older message :) |
| [22:13:57] | xris: | trac caches the old log message and doesn't bother to re-grab it again |
| [22:14:08] | sircolin: | anyone have mythphone working with an asterisk ? |
| [22:14:10] | xris: | and I don't think we've ever done a full svn re-sync (we probably should) |
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| [22:15:46] | justinh: | sircolin: wave byebye to mythphone ;) |
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| [22:16:06] | sircolin: | I know it suck's |
| [22:16:27] | justinh: | no, it's not gonna be in 0.22 |
| [22:16:59] | sircolin: | It's a shame I have found nothing to replace |
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| [22:17:24] | sphery: | xris: Ah, so it fixes SVN, but Trac just doesn't realize that it has the message wrong. Cool. Thanks. |
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| [22:19:17] | xris: | sphery: exactly |
| [22:19:44] | sphery: | now all my messages are correct per SVN, and only Trac users can see my mistakes :) |
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| [22:22:01] | sircolin: | if I uncheck ubuntu desktop in system roles will it remove the task bars at the top and bottom of my screen whilst in myth |
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| [22:28:05] | clever: | sircolin: thats the wrong way to fix it |
| [22:28:22] | clever: | sircolin: you just need to properly set mythfrontend as fullscreen |
| [22:29:10] | sircolin: | im looking for that/a option but can't seem to locate it |
| [22:30:45] | clever: | sircolin: in the width/height controls |
| [22:30:51] | clever: | and turn off windowed mode |
| [22:30:51] | sircolin: | ty |
| [22:31:17] | clever: | if its covering every last pixel of the screen, it sets itself as on top |
| [22:31:23] | clever: | so it can cover gnome-panel |
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| [22:31:41] | sircolin: | great |
| [22:32:27] | clever: | the other option, is to modify things so gnome-panel and friends dont startup (uses less ram), but thats more complex and limiting |
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| [22:42:16] | justinh: | wow. flashforward was something else |
| [22:44:15] | sphery: | lot of potential, but probably won't acheive said potential? |
| [22:45:03] | justinh: | yeah and to add insult to injury Sky will probably snipe S2 from under Five's nose |
| [22:46:05] | justinh: | if theres even a season 2 |
| [22:46:49] | sphery: | is Sky for-pay or something? |
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| [22:47:26] | sircolin: | has anyone tried get iplayer |
| [22:48:43] | justinh: | sphery: yeah |
| [22:48:57] | justinh: | sircolin: yeah. it rocks on my cable box :D |
| [22:49:06] | sircolin: | what do you think I have just got I installed |
| [22:49:37] | justinh: | good for catching stuff I didn't find out about in time to myth it |
| [22:49:55] | sircolin: | can we play .mov's with mythtv outta the box |
| [22:50:48] | justinh: | .mov? anything ffplay could deal with when mythtv was last synced to ffmpeg |
| [22:51:21] | justinh: | in other words just about anything assuming myth was compiled with all the right options |
| [22:52:16] | sircolin: | I've not had time to look at the options yet but I did notice it encoded into .mov that was my reason for asking |
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| [22:53:28] | Mister: | hello, i want to update mythtv 7.10 but i cant. where is a source witch have gutsy packages? |
| [22:53:55] | Dagmar: | That's because there's no MythTV 7.10 |
| [22:54:00] | Dagmar: | ...unless you wait about 30 years |
| [22:54:23] | Dagmar: | You probably want to ask the Ubuntu people that. |
| [22:54:28] | justinh: | unless you mean mythbuntu. in which case you need #mythbuntu |
| [22:54:42] | Mister: | yes, i mean mythbuntu of xourese |
| [22:54:49] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:54:54] | jduggan: | justinh, your comment about flashforward... are you saying its worth me watching? |
| [22:54:58] | jduggan: | :P |
| [22:55:02] | Dagmar: | jduggan: Maybe |
| [22:55:09] | Mister: | mythbuntu says i should ask here ;) |
| [22:55:16] | jduggan: | thanks justinh |
| [22:55:32] | Dagmar: | Mister: Then ask them again |
| [22:55:46] | kormoc: | Mister: why would they point you here? |
| [22:55:46] | Dagmar: | We're not googling for you |
| [22:55:47] | sphery: | jduggan: do like I do and record every new series each season, but watch shows from last season. That way, anything that's cancelled within the first season you can just delete so you don't waste your time. |
| [22:55:50] | justinh: | wrong answer. ubuntu folks know how best to update ubuntu |
| [22:56:07] | Mister: | ok ;) pherhaps he think i mean mythtv and not mythbuntu ;) |
| [22:56:09] | kormoc: | I'd say to fdisk /dev/sda and install a real distro, but that's just me ;) |
| [22:56:10] | justinh: | sphery: new series don't get marked properly with our native xmltv |
| [22:56:26] | Mister: | i search for it but i dont foudn an official mirror.... |
| [22:56:28] | sphery: | justinh: can use the new title search to find new series |
| [22:56:34] | justinh: | jduggan: best thing I've ever seen on Five |
| [22:56:34] | Dagmar: | Mister: Looks like you're out of luck then |
| [22:56:46] | sphery: | justinh: shows you any title that hasn't been seen in >11mos |
| [22:56:59] | justinh: | sphery: hmm. trouble is it'll find all kinds of junk |
| [22:57:04] | sphery: | er, I mean, hasn't been seen /for/ 11mos |
| [22:57:24] | Mister: | :( |
| [22:58:08] | sphery: | wait, isn't "all kinds of junk" just a description of the program listings in general, though? |
| [22:58:08] | justinh: | might have to figure out a custom rule. if (new) and duration > 40 minutes and channel = X Y OR Z NOT AA ... |
| [22:58:22] | kormoc: | Mister: well, really, it should be no surprise, if the folks who develop mythbuntu don't have sources, we're not the group to know/fix that... |
| [22:59:06] | Dagmar: | Just download the most recent MythBuntu ISO and be done with it |
| [22:59:07] | kormoc: | http://gizmodo.com/5358305/kymera-magic-wand- . . . ates-quickly |
| [22:59:17] | Dagmar: | If you're unwilling to do anything for yourself, that's as good as it's going to get. |
| [22:59:34] | justinh: | sphery: mythweb's new titles & premieres search doesn't pull much up |
| [23:00:00] | kormoc: | yeah, it's broken right now justinh |
| [23:00:33] | sphery: | justinh: never used the mythweb one, but I know how the frontend one works |
| [23:01:04] | sphery: | basically looks for any shows not listed in olprogram\ |
| [23:01:07] | justinh: | don't think I've ever tried it in MFE. buried under all them menus |
| [23:01:30] | justinh: | keep meaning to sort them out sometime |
| [23:01:35] | sphery: | yeah, somewhere like Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Searches|Title Search or something |
| [23:03:09] | justinh: | new titles :) |
| [23:03:57] | kormoc: | Mister: stop talking in #mythtv, and we told you, if there's no official sources for the upgrade, there's no sources for the upgrade. Download a new mythbuntu iso and use that |
| [23:04:39] | Mister: | the new version wont work with the old tv driver... i try it |
| [23:04:55] | kormoc: | So why are you attempting to update if you know it won't work? |
| [23:05:02] | Mister: | so this version work only for me, but okay, when teheres no official packedes |
| [23:05:55] | justinh: | woo handy search cheers sphery |
| [23:05:59] | Mister: | i have tryed it, i think the old grfaphic drivers wont work with the new version and my old graphiccard |
| [23:06:08] | justinh: | found some more goodies on BBC FOUR |
| [23:06:18] | justinh: | ahh ATI. Bless |
| [23:06:37] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: have you noticed focus issues when launching the Internal player from within MythVideo? |
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| [23:06:44] | sphery: | justinh: enjoy... and spread the word to the rest of the third world (those without Schedules Direct) :) |
| [23:06:50] | justinh: | sphery: heh. |
| [23:07:00] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, only when I the Qt bookmark popup pops up |
| [23:07:04] | iamlindoro: | er when the |
| [23:07:09] | justinh: | I still can't help thinking we need to get our heads together & come up with a recommendation system of some kind |
| [23:07:35] | Mister: | can i pherhaps use a 9.04 packed sources, i want to install wome packed, or will this dont work? |
| [23:07:36] | justinh: | never thought I'd buy into that way of thinking but here I am |
| [23:07:42] | elmojo: | elmojo: k – ah, so once it converted we should be fine? |
| [23:07:43] | sphery: | justinh: perhaps using NNTP? |
| [23:07:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [23:08:22] | sircolin: | "Kymera Magic Wand Universal Remote" looks like a sex toy to me lmao |
| [23:08:35] | justinh: | sphery: I dunno, just a general headsup kinda thing would do for the time being |
| [23:08:44] | justinh: | doesn't have to be autorecord |
| [23:09:10] | sphery: | So, I've been trying to start work on a patch for fixing an issue in a ticket, but I can't find that ticket, and I've spent about 2 1/2hrs looking/getting distracted by other tickets... |
| [23:09:59] | Mister: | or can i used the cd for sources? |
| [23:10:32] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, would be nice... Probably would only go into official Myth if it used services.mythtv.org, but we'd need to get code written for the services website to do that |
| [23:10:56] | justinh: | heck I'd even pay a small fee for it :) |
| [23:11:32] | sphery: | justinh: I don't know if thetvdb.com has some "If you like this, you might like that" type stuff, or if so, if it's available through the API. If so^2, then might be able to get it into a script. |
| [23:12:25] | justinh: | might be kinda coolish |
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| [23:14:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Fixing user's bug reports 3 hours after they're submitted is setting a very bad precedent. It's also making the rest of us look really bad. |
| [23:14:26] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [23:14:33] | iamlindoro: | OCD |
| [23:14:37] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, especially with the planned features for updating/submitting info to tmdb and thetvdb |
| [23:14:43] | iamlindoro: | can't stand to see a bunch of MythVideo bugs even if they aren't labeled as such |
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| [23:15:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I've spent almost that long just looking for a ticket I'm trying to work on--and I still haven't found it. |
| [23:16:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I have two more on the way, too ;) |
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| [23:18:12] | justinh: | not only that but implementing feature requests. FFS should be a hangable offence |
| [23:18:16] | justinh: | :P |
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| [23:19:14] | justinh: | and that guy who whined about the lack of threaded image loading.. two days later it's sorted? I get the feeling this isn't the same dimension I grew up in |
| [23:19:53] | ** mzb warps back into #mythtv-users ** | |
| [23:20:11] | justinh: | next thing we know there'll be regular news updates on the mythtv.org site keeping folks up to date with stuff |
| [23:20:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh, The only unfortunate issue with that is that people get the sense that discourteous whining is rewarded |
| [23:20:55] | justinh: | by that point I hope to be back in my own universe where mythtv is by developers for developers :P |
| [23:21:07] | mzb: | stuff like a release schedule? ;) |
| [23:21:18] | justinh: | iamlindoro: essentially that's what I'm saying :) |
| [23:21:46] | Mister: | bye |
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| [23:22:14] | iamlindoro: | I 'm glad we now have it, and myth is soooo much better off for it, but I hope those folk don't think that their protests made it happen... even though I know they do |
| [23:22:25] | sphery: | wonder if Mister ever made it to #ubuntumythtv or #mythbuntu... |
| [23:22:43] | iamlindoro: | All of that hard work followed by a thread not two hours ago bitching about the UI speed, btw, having nothing to do with fanart/etc. |
| [23:22:50] | iamlindoro: | To which I respond |
| [23:23:07] | iamlindoro: | STFU, you stupid sacks of crap |
| [23:23:10] | meshe_: | he was in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [23:23:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, all due to broken video driver installations |
| [23:23:22] | sphery: | meshe_: ah, good... maybe they can help him |
| [23:23:34] | justinh: | he said they sent him here |
| [23:23:37] | sphery: | best bet is probably, backup DB, install current MythBuntu, restore DB, enjoy |
| [23:23:38] | iamlindoro: | and whoooooopps it was user setup |
| [23:23:52] | meshe_: | nah, noone answered and he left there too |
| [23:23:53] | iamlindoro: | good thing he didn't write a bitchy e-mail to the list in haste... oh wait |
| [23:23:58] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you know what I said. my wireless sucks in linux ;) |
| [23:24:03] | mzb: | oh, so the multi-threading was developed as a result of the bigger/better gui ? (and single threading not loading fast enough) ??? |
| [23:24:06] | sphery: | what? "Thanks that was the answer. I'm using the nvidia 185 drivers but I was using the QT painter. Once I switched to the openGL painter screen changes are fast. " |
| [23:24:14] | sphery: | How could Qt painter be slow |
| [23:24:23] | Spida: | anybody seen complete system-freezes with lirc and the igorplugusb driver? |
| [23:24:25] | justinh: | mzb: point being there were less images to load so it wasn't as noticable |
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| [23:24:33] | sphery: | maybe if--as he claims--he's using a QuickTime painter, it could be slow, but Qt painter shouldn't be slow |
| [23:24:47] | sphery: | it isn't for me--even over X forwarding |
| [23:25:07] | justinh: | qt painter is marginally slower than gl but not in terms where you'd notice in normal use |
| [23:25:25] | justinh: | like holding an arrow down & seeing how much of a blur it all is ;) |
| [23:25:26] | sphery: | mzb: multi-threaded image loaded was developed as a result of "always part of the plan" |
| [23:26:26] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, to me, the difference in blurring is hard to see... |
| [23:27:09] | iamlindoro: | blue-abstract-wide proves that there's no widget that can't be built out ot the Graphite button graphic :) |
| [23:27:20] | iamlindoro: | It's a textedit! It's a button! It's a progress bar! |
| [23:27:35] | iamlindoro: | (It's all the same copy of Graphite's button!) |
| [23:27:35] | justinh: | is that how he got it down to a 2k tarball? |
| [23:27:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: that's why they use Graphite in pencils--so you can draw /any/ kind of widget |
| [23:28:05] | iamlindoro: | here it is as a progress bar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Blue-abstract_music-player.png |
| [23:28:07] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [23:28:11] | iamlindoro: | as a button and as a buttonlist: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Blue-abstrac . . . e-editor.png |
| [23:28:47] | iamlindoro: | Don't have a screenshot, but it's the textedit too :) |
| [23:28:54] | justinh: | whuh? what size is the source image? |
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| [23:29:04] | iamlindoro: | 250x50 or so |
| [23:29:12] | justinh: | ah |
| [23:29:15] | iamlindoro: | and the wide version may be 350x50 |
| [23:29:27] | justinh: | stretching images is bad though |
| [23:29:31] | justinh: | IMHO |
| [23:29:39] | iamlindoro: | apparently creating them oneself is much, much worse :) |
| [23:29:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you've gotta get him started playing with Inkscape |
| [23:29:50] | justinh: | esp ones with rounded corners, but he gets away with it cos the radius is so small |
| [23:30:24] | iamlindoro: | Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery-- I might be more irked if I wasn't already on to the next greatest thing |
| [23:30:30] | iamlindoro: | as it is, more power to him |
| [23:30:57] | justinh: | nobody bothered to rip off any of my themes :( |
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| [23:31:24] | iamlindoro: | BS |
| [23:31:31] | justinh: | then again maybe nobody dared |
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| [23:31:37] | justinh: | I'm a c*** |
| [23:31:39] | iamlindoro: | blue-a-w is a half-copy of blootube |
| [23:31:45] | iamlindoro: | and he admits it in the themeinfo |
| [23:31:55] | iamlindoro: | pearody was also a copy of one of your themes |
| [23:32:05] | iamlindoro: | and some other one someone did was a copy that violated the license IIRC |
| [23:32:10] | justinh: | was it? I thought it was ripped off mythcenter |
| [23:32:15] | iamlindoro: | some ripoff of Glass |
| [23:32:33] | ** iamlindoro can hunt down the mythtvtalk thread if needed :) ** | |
| [23:32:49] | justinh: | complete blank on that for some reason |
| [23:33:51] | justinh: | heh. searched on license violation & found the pearody thread |
| [23:35:26] | sphery: | so, iamlindoro keeps updating Graphite, so I have to imagine that all the people who are using Graphite to make their themes have to keep starting over... |
| [23:35:37] | Dagmar: | We can make it worse for them |
| [23:35:38] | justinh: | good god how did I forget about that?! |
| [23:35:44] | iamlindoro: | haha, naw, they're well beyond Graphite now |
| [23:35:48] | Dagmar: | There's plenty of ways to use Perl to make XML into human-unreadable |
| [23:36:22] | justinh: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/6697- . . . ml#post27390 – and I wasn't a total c***. Excellent |
| [23:36:46] | iamlindoro: | IIRC, I was ;) |
| [23:37:00] | justinh: | nah |
| [23:37:20] | iamlindoro: | No, apparently I was nice too |
| [23:37:31] | justinh: | the abortion I alluded to which borrowed graphics & used them badly was xface |
| [23:38:23] | iamlindoro: | Ah, well that one had some funny stuff like the backwards video camera, but I thought it looked like it had promise |
| [23:38:44] | iamlindoro: | I still like Arclight better, but... ;) |
| [23:40:06] | justinh: | one day more people will be on board with the whole 'it's on the internet so it's free' thing being *wrong* |
| [23:40:56] | justinh: | hey does anykey_ know about the buttonlist patch? |
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| [23:41:05] | iamlindoro: | Don't know |
| [23:41:11] | justinh: | he started the ball rolling on that |
| [23:41:26] | mzb: | what aspect ration is that theme? |
| [23:41:31] | mzb: | (Blue Abstract) |
| [23:41:36] | justinh: | 16:9 of course |
| [23:41:38] | iamlindoro: | 16:9 |
| [23:41:42] | iamlindoro: | like ALL themes :) |
| [23:41:51] | mzb: | ok |
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| [23:42:11] | justinh: | this is the age of Aquarius, not the golden age of 'fullscreen' :P |
| [23:42:26] | mzb: | just looking at the page, I was getting the impression there were now three classes: narrow, wide and very-wide ;)) |
| [23:42:27] | iamlindoro: | MOAR PILLARBOXZ |
| [23:42:42] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [23:43:18] | mzb: | my head probably hasn't popped back into shape yet ;) ... I'm sure it'll look 16:9 after my 2nd coffee |
| [23:44:15] | sphery: | very-wide for the cinema-aspect TV's (like the Philips 2.33:1 (21:9) "Ultra widescreen" – http://www.cinema.philips.com/ ) |
| [23:44:18] | justinh: | somebody will have to issue a patch for 2.35:1 (or whatever) displays I'm sure |
| [23:44:31] | iamlindoro: | no patch needed AFAIK :) |
| [23:44:40] | sphery: | just new themes? |
| [23:44:45] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
| [23:44:56] | justinh: | and OSD themes? ;) |
| [23:45:02] | sphery: | so, are there any 4:3 mythui themes (other than default)? |
| [23:45:17] | sphery: | which isn't really mythui so much as just "better than nothing" |
| [23:45:19] | justinh: | nope |
| [23:45:25] | sphery: | heh funny |
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| [23:46:12] | sphery: | so, I presume that may mean that all the artistically-talented Myth users have already upgraded to widescreen TV's to appreciate the artistic aspects of good picture quality |
| [23:46:18] | justinh: | even OLPC machines are widescreen innit |
| [23:46:24] | iamlindoro: | 4:3 theme for myth read like a list of AAA Games on Linux |
| [23:46:36] | sphery: | AAA? |
| [23:46:50] | sphery: | oh, triple-A |
| [23:46:51] | sphery: | got it |
| [23:46:55] | sphery: | like the best |
| [23:47:04] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:47:28] | justinh: | tuxracer?! No love for it? |
| [23:47:44] | justinh: | you must hate freedom |
| [23:47:49] | sphery: | There's breakout and <quietly>GIMP</quietly> |
| [23:48:37] | sphery: | http://roosterteeth.com/archive/episode.php?id=118 |
| [23:49:20] | iamlindoro: | tuxracer is the GANT of Linux games |
| [23:49:35] | iamlindoro: | You can get Doom 3, that's like MythCenter |
| [23:49:47] | sphery: | What's the Graphite equivalent? |
| [23:49:51] | iamlindoro: | grep |
| [23:49:56] | sphery: | nice |
| [23:49:56] | iamlindoro: | grep-phite |
| [23:49:59] | sphery: | I like grep |
| [23:50:15] | sphery: | it and find tend to be my favorites |
| [23:50:20] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:50:52] | sphery: | sometimes I play with them for hours |
| [23:51:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thoughts: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6833 |
| [23:51:21] | wagnerrp: | jya: you around? |
| [23:52:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I think trac is a slow, dirty whore, is that a thought? |
| [23:52:24] | justinh: | I hate how my wife prefers mepo to glass-wide |
| [23:52:41] | mzb: | wagnerrp, I've got that pre/post playback working beautifully ... not sure if it's elegant though (and I've not done anything for "pause") |
| [23:52:44] | justinh: | grounds for divorce in this house |
| [23:53:00] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Just let her know that as of next week, Meepie is DEAD |
| [23:53:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, still not ticket |
| [23:53:09] | iamlindoro: | er no |
| [23:53:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I'll doctor the graphics |
| [23:53:22] | wagnerrp: | jya: whenever you get back, you put together a handful of functions for MythVideo.py |
| [23:53:47] | wagnerrp: | im doing a complete rewrite of that module to try to get into 0.22 |
| [23:54:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, trac is really making my finding this one ticket really hard |
| [23:54:20] | wagnerrp: | i rewrote the old commands to use the new ones for backwards compatibility |
| [23:55:14] | wagnerrp: | but if you use those a lot, would you might checking to see if it breaks anything with your stuff before i put it on trac? |
| [23:55:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Well, he used google and his brain, how could he go wrong? |
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| [23:56:16] | iamlindoro: | sphery, close, suggest reopening if still a problem in .22? |
| [23:56:31] | iamlindoro: | All the .21 tickets should have been closed back when anyway, no? |
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| [23:58:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: was it related to the driver bug (which is mentioned in another ticket)? |
| [23:59:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: there are a couple of others that mention the whole close-card-before-channel-change thing, so let me ref them |
| [23:59:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Sorry, don't know about that particular hardware |
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