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Sunday, October 4th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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EnterUserName:

hello

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EnterUserName:

is anyone using nuvexport with jaunty

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EnterUserName:

i tried ffmpeg version 0.5

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EnterUserName:

i've tried trunk

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EnterUserName:

anyone?

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iamlindoro:

It would likely be wiser to describe a problem rather than ask for a volunteer from what would already be a limited number of people

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EnterUserName:

Well the problem is nuvexport keeps dying with this error messageav_interleaved_write_frame(): Error while opening file

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EnterUserName:

when i try to use xvid option

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Greek-Boy:

anyone got their HD PVR to blast and receiver IR in ubuntu? I found patches on the wiki but they talk about fedora, nothing mentioned about ubuntu. Hopefully the lirc patches and driver patches are sufficient to make it work.

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: you nee dto get and patch the driver and get and patch lirc

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android60:

for the image gallery and music, I have all my stuff stored on the backend and I can't seem to get it to show up on the frontend machine. any suggestions?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so "The National Parks: America's Best Idea" was transmitted with three audio tracks-- English, Spanish, and a music only track

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iamlindoro:

would be nice if more shows paid that level of attention to audio

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android60:

heh I saw that on earlier

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

android60, needs to be mounted via NFS/SMB/whatever on the frontend, and you need to set the path in those plugins' settings

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sacul:

my mythtv can't find any of the videos in my /home/<username>/Videos directory.. can anyone help me?

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iamlindoro:

a) Have you set the mythvideo videos directory to point at that folder? b) Assuming you are running .21, have you entered the video manager to scan the videos? (Utilties/Setup->Video Manager)

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mzb:

is it possible to run pre/post scripts when watching a recording?

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iamlindoro:

mzb, not presently

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sacul:

iamlindoro: yes and video manager says no videos found.. running whatever version is in the karmic repos

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iamlindoro:

sacul, Then you're not running the realse, you're running the dev version

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iamlindoro:

which means you're on the hook to be following our dev lists, and should already know what changed

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

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Greek-Boy:

R: How do I figure out for which version of lirc those patches are intended for?

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: they are for the latest version

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sacul:

iamlindoro: you are beautiful.. thank you

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Greek-Boy:

R: 0.8.6?

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** wagnerrp wonders where sacul got picks of iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

Oh you know it's true

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mzb:

iamlindoro, I'm on a mission which needs to be accomplished for WAF+++ (automatic light dim/bright;)) ... suggestions on where to start?

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mzb:

(ie: where does the internal player get called?)

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** sacul can tell iamlindoro is beautiful on the inside without pics **

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wagnerrp:

mzb: as of right now, you can have something repeatedly poll the position of the frontend socket

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wagnerrp:

if it enters one of the playback modes, dim the lights

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mzb:

no I can't ... the py_wii will barf

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wagnerrp:

although thats certainly a horrible hack

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wagnerrp:

and yes... the one connection only issue

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mzb:

yep

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** mzb goes hunting **

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_ben:

automatic light dim/bright?

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_ben:

as in room lights?

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iamlindoro:

mzb, look at the internal_play_media and player registration in mythfrontend/main.cpp

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mzb:

k, thanks

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** iamlindoro calls no hacksies **

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iamlindoro:

and for external players, playercommand.cpp in mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Any applied solution will need to handle both, and be "pretty"

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

would elegant do? ;)

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iamlindoro:

elegant would do :)

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[R]:

who thought its a good idea to have people not work on the weekend

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[R]:

damnit, i want an answer from my vidoe card manufactuer

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[R]:

i shoudln have to wait till monday

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mzb:

ie: check db for matching requirements pre&post (video type, category, length, rating ... ) and then execute a command ... *sounds* simple enough, but we'll see ;)

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mzb:

a "hello world" in the mythfrontend logs would be sufficient for starters ;)

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mzb:

hmm, not looking good so far. Where do I find TV::StartTV ?

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mzb:

grepping the source reveals no definition (that I can see)

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KS0FT:

hello when i click on 'Watch TV' from the myth front end on my ubuntu desktop, it just goes black, no error message or anything

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** mzb wonders if fundamentals are working against him **

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KS0FT:

any idea?

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iamlindoro:

mzb, You don't want to put it in the start TV function

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[R]:

KS0FT: what errors is mythfrontend reporting

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[R]:

(like i asked you like 5 hours ago)

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wagnerrp:

did you actually check for error messages? or did you just assume since nothing popped up in your face, there were none?

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[R]:

what erros are mythbackend reporting

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: checking the logs

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mzb:

um ... any particular reason why?

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mzb:

(even if I could find it;)

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iamlindoro:

it should go in the internal_play_media function, and post scripts should go in the player teardown. In MythVideo, it's more complicated to handle post scripts, as we don't get anything back when the external players close

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mzb:

not worried about external players as they can always be wrapped

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KS0FT:

R – I can't see any error messages

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iamlindoro:

good, then internal_play_media and the teardown of the player in tv_play.cpp

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KS0FT:

where are the mythtv error logs?

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mzb:

k

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wagnerrp:

KS0FT: typical culprits are incorrectly set up tuners (either incomplete, or with no channels, or an invalid starting channel) or file permissions (either on the dev node, or the recordings directory)

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wagnerrp:

maybe try... /var/log/mythtv?

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justinh:

KS0FT: depends on your install

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wagnerrp:

/var/log is always a good place to start for that sort of thing

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Greek-Boy:

R: Which directoy do I apply those patches in? /usr/src ?

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.883 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.883 Using protocol version 40

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:59.086 DPMS Deactivated

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.027 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.028 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.038 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.039 DPMS Reactivated.

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iamlindoro:

bahhhhh

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iamlindoro:

paste......BIN

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iamlindoro:

mythtv.pastebin.ca

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iamlindoro:

and frontend logs are useless

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.883 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.889 adding: jupiter as a client (events: 0)

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.890 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:57.894 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:59.004 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:59.005 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:59.019 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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dustybin:

oh dear

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:53:59.020 NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

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KS0FT:

VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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iamlindoro:

oh for crying out loud

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.030 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:54:39.036 Finished recording Unknown: channel 1006

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iamlindoro:

STOP PASTING IN THE CHANNEL

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KS0FT:

2009-10–03 19:56:07.868 Expiring 0 MBytes for 1006 @ Sat Oct 3 19:53:57 2009 => Unknown

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iamlindoro:

go to mythtv.pastebin.ca, anything you paste should go THERE... then return with the link to your paste. Sheesh

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_ben:

heh

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KS0FT:

okay acknowledged, sorry about my lack of irc etiquette

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justinh:

a gentle kick maybe?

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Greek-Boy:

damn

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Greek-Boy:

KS0FT. pastebin man

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justinh:

it's in the frickin channel topic

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Greek-Boy:

whas wrong with u

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mzb:

iamlindoro, that doesn't take into account livetv, right?

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iamlindoro:

mzb, it takes into account any use of the itnernal player, live included

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mzb:

k,

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** mzb goes back to the source **

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iamlindoro:

You can also, if you like to keep it simple, do evrything in tv_play.cpp

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mzb:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

There are many places to put it all, but I'd put it in the init and teardown of the player

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mzb:

tv_play.cpp is *huge* !

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[R]:

thats what she said

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mzb:

I've got no idea where to start .... I'll just keep reading until the obvious hits me

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mzb:

(or an answer falls from the heavens)

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iamlindoro:

All you really need to worry about is TV::TV and TV::~TV

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justinh:

gah. so far on & yet I still know jack about code

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iamlindoro:

Good for you it's exceedingly well commented

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iamlindoro:

actually, TV::Init may be better than TV::TV

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justinh:

iamlindoro: had a thought about maybe slapping more in the struct than just rotate – like maybe alpha. it's not playing. not that I'd want to make such a sweeping change (well maybe if I could get away with it)

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KS0FT:

Okay here is my log ----> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1591543

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I think that makes sense, personally

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KS0FT:

If anyone would care to assist I would appreciate it

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[R]:

KS0FT: you see the error... you should rpobably do what it says

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mzb:

why? (although I kinda see the logic of init vs...)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it might make sense if a grownup does it ;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, Because Init creates the window-- you could theoretically run your pre-script in TV::TV and still have the player fail to init

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KS0FT:

R – I'm checking it out now, nod

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mzb:

ah

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iamlindoro:

which means your lights will go off for a playback that never happened

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[R]:

KS0FT: my name is not R... its [R]

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

yep, yep

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Heh, rules me out then :)

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laga:

[R]: which is a PITA to type or to tab-complete

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justinh:

iamlindoro: been wondering. wtf are you gonna do when you finish everything you want to do with mythtv?

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mzb:

and that's handy ... those two functions are next to each other ;)

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[R]:

laga: well then i guess people shouldn't expect me to help them if i can't see them talking to them

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** mzb puts an elegant hat on ;) **

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laga:

[R]: good thing i don't need your help ;)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I don't anticipate running out of things to break and fix again ;)

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justinh:

hahaha

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laga:

justinh: work is never over :)

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justinh:

oh it is. it's over when you say it is

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[R]:

laga: because hitting [ and then r and then tab is soooo complicated...

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justinh:

the hardest decision I ever made was to stop, and it's still difficult staying off

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laga:

[R]: with my keyboard layout, it is

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iamlindoro:

more difficult to justify having dev conversations in random other channels because you don't want to hear from various people when you ask a question/suggest something

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iamlindoro:

"Hmmm, this seems like a MythUI thing, I'll go say it in #mythtv-theming"

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[R]:

laga: well that sucks for you i guess

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KS0FT:

SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz

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justinh:

I admit I've been unfaithful though, but suffice to say that mythtv is still the daddy. For one thing, the 'competition' just don't blimmin work for me. lol

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I've used the competition, and made it work, I just see a lot more potential for what *I* want it to do in Myth

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justinh:

yeah well with so much hidden away in other programs, it's damn hard work.. and therefore not worthy ;)

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laga:

[R]: na, i'm fine :)

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mzb:

iamlindoro, ok, so a pre-script really needs to be called after mainStack->AddScreen in TV:Init, right?

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[R]:

laga: i didnt chose this nick to annoy people... but just knowing it does... makes me feel taht much better

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iamlindoro:

mzb, the safest time to call the script would be just before the init returns true, as that means it's going to honest-to-goodness try to play it

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laga:

[R]: i'm not annoyed. there are much better things on the internets to be annoyed about :)

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mzb:

oh ... so after mainLoopCondLock.unlock ?

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[R]:

laga: i once had a chan op in some random channel here /msg me every so often automated like letting me know i shoudlnt have [ in my nick... i would just laugh and close the window

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mzb:

it looks like the window can be deleted but init will still return true ... ?

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justinh:

[R]: so why DO you do that? Is it to appear higher up the list of users or something?

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[R]:

justinh: the story i tell people now is that it stands for rbox (which is the hostname of my computer)

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[R]:

justinh: but originally it was just cuz my nick was R and i coudnlt' use it on some network i forget which... and i just thought hey... lets just use [r]...

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iamlindoro:

mzb, I'm not writing it, you are :) Experiment :)

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KS0FT:

[R]: Hrm still same problem, different log entry -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1591552

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[R]:

KS0FT: what kind of tuner do yo uhave?

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mzb:

hmm ... err ... Init might not be so good ... it's doesn't know anything about the programme

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iamlindoro:

If you continue to pick 10 lines of log that seem interesting, you will be waiting a long, long time

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iamlindoro:

mzb, why would it need to?

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KS0FT:

[R]: Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1600 PCI

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mzb:

ie: length, category, eye colour ;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, why would it need to know those things for a pre/post script?

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mzb:

ie: different dim levels depending on category

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mzb:

(eg)

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[R]:

KS0FT: and you followed the directions on the wiki?

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iamlindoro:

mzb, then back to the internal_play_media, which gets a pginfo object

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mzb:

eg: dim to 10% for an X-rated movie, but only to 50% for a G

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

and post?

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iamlindoro:

or to whatever screens call the internal player and use pginfo

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mzb:

k

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iamlindoro:

there's a million ways to do it, but you'll need to actually grok how it fits togetehr to make this work

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iamlindoro:

And I don't work cheap ;)

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KS0FT:

[R]: Well, I believe so, if it is a failsafe wiki then I obviously missed something – which wiki precisely are you referring to?

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mzb:

yep, I'll have to poke and prod it a bit to see how the insides work ;)

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[R]:

KS0FT: the myth wiki...

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mzb:

but ... it's a nice day and I've got heaps of jobs to do in the blue room. I'll have a think about it while I'm there. Thanks iamlindoro

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mzb:

(inc: think about what I actually want it to do, etc)

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mzb:

eg: specific recording match, category match ... etc

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** mzb goes off to start line-trimming and mowing **

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KS0FT:

[R]: well then yes

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[R]:

if it doesnt work... obvilsuy not

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[R]:

so i suggest you go back

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[R]:

and re readi t

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KS0FT:

that's weak, but okay

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[R]:

lol

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mangus580:

evening guys

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mangus580:

got a question

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mangus580:

trying to setup the frontend on a second machine

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mangus580:

have it loaded and installed, but when I try to run the frontend, I get tossed into the setup wizard.... where first it states no upnp servers found, followed by unable to connect to the database

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mangus580:

did I miss a step someplace?

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[R]:

is your database server bidning to the public ip

[01:32:25]

justinh:

yeah you've a) forgotten to enable logins from external machines to the mysql server b) mythbackend is still running on 127.0.0.1

[01:32:27]

[R]:

is your backend set to not 127.0.0.1?

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mangus580:

backend is not set to 127...

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mangus580:

I dont know on binding to the public IP

[01:32:52]

mangus580:

what exactly do you mean by that?

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justinh:

the LAN ip of the backend & mysql server machine

[01:33:09]

justinh:

not public IP as such

[01:33:35]

mangus580:

its not a public IP

[01:33:43]

mangus580:

everything else on the server works ok

[01:33:50]

Dagmar:

Alright, use a NETWORK CAPABLE IP ADDRESS.

[01:33:58]

mangus580:

but....

[01:34:08]

Dagmar:

127.0.0.1 IS NOT ONE.

[01:34:08]

mangus580:

it 'might' have 2 different mysql servers running

[01:34:17]

mangus580:

that just occured to me

[01:34:18]

Dagmar:

Then call someone who is a competent admin to help you.

[01:34:33]

mangus580:

is there a way to set myth to a different mysql port?

[01:34:34]

justinh:

mangus580: check you can log into the mysql server on the backend machine (since people generally run them on the same box)

[01:35:21]

mangus580:

justinh: what would be the easiest method to check this?

[01:35:23]

justinh:

might have 2 mysql servers? you either have or you don't have. If you don't know, you should take a step back

[01:35:42]

mangus580:

well, it occured to me as I was typing that, that it indeed does..

[01:35:44]

Dagmar:

...and get a grown-up to help you

[01:35:55]

mangus580:

well that is if myth sets up its own

[01:36:04]

Dagmar:

Otherwise *listen* when we say you can't use 127.0.0.1 for the backend and have anything remote work.

[01:36:18]

justinh:

myth does NOT set up a mysql server

[01:36:19]

Dagmar:

No, it doesn't matter if "myth set up it's own".

[01:36:30]

justinh:

it doesn't even initialise the mythconverg database itself

[01:36:34]

Dagmar:

If you're competent, surely you can tell whether or not or how many instances of mysqld are runnign.

[01:36:39]

mangus580:

Dagmar: I find your remarks quite rude, I am a quite competent when it comes to computers just not sure how myth is setup

[01:36:42]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you should follow instructions.

[01:36:45]

mangus580:

and its NOT using 127.0.0.1

[01:36:58]

Dagmar:

I'll repeat.

[01:37:01]

Dagmar:

Follow instructions.

[01:37:10]

mangus580:

so if myth doesnt use its own db server, I should be able to see the table in phpmyadmin

[01:37:15]

justinh:

so the frontend & backend on the same machine.. which mysql server do they connect to?

[01:37:22]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you're wasting time asking questions you don't intend to listen to the answers for man and we'll get nowhere.

[01:37:40]

justinh:

whichever one that is, make sure you can log into it from the new frontend

[01:38:00]

justinh:

using the same credentials the original FE/BE uses

[01:38:01]

Dagmar:

freaking web cripples

[01:38:10]

mangus580:

justinh: the frontend on the same machine works fine

[01:38:15]

justinh:

well duh

[01:38:35]

mangus580:

ok, I misunderstood what you said then

[01:38:49]

mangus580:

they connect to the server on the same machine they are on

[01:38:57]

justinh:

right

[01:39:13]

justinh:

on the NEW frontend, make sure you can log into the mysql server the original myth system uses

[01:39:35]

mangus580:

and how do I go about that?

[01:39:42]

justinh:

e.g. mysql -u mythtv -pTHEPASSWORD mythconverg -h $thehostIP

[01:39:59]

Dagmar:

if it didn't find any upnp servers and the backend is supposedly running, then two things are likely

[01:40:07]

Dagmar:

1. The backend is still set to use 127.0.0.1

[01:40:11]

justinh:

if that doesn't work then it's likely the main mysql server is also not networking

[01:40:24]

Dagmar:

2. You don't have a route from that machine allowing it to treat multicast traffic as local traffic

[01:41:00]

Dagmar:

When the backend starts, if it's bound to 127.0.0.1, it _disables_ the uPnP code.

[01:43:00]

mangus580:

justinh: thanks, now I need to figure out why the mysql server is refusing connections

[01:44:21]

justinh:

prolly configured to skip-networking

[01:45:03]

justinh:

comment out skip-networking in /etc/my.cnf or whetever it is on the distro you use

[01:45:15]

AndrewNC_:

I think it may be time to admit that 1tb is not enough storage for my htpc

[01:45:22]

Greek-Boy:

I can't get my HD PVR to blast and receive IR. the only patches available seem to be for Fedora :-(

[01:45:47]

justinh:

or bind-address as it is these days. anyway read /etc/mysql/my.cnf or so

[01:46:01]

[R]:

Greek-Boy: the patches are for the kernel and lirc... not for a distro

[01:50:42]

Greek-Boy:

well in that case i guess my kernel is slightly too old

[01:50:46]

Greek-Boy:

2.6.28 on ubuntu

[01:51:00]

Greek-Boy:

i think those patches are meant for 2.6.30 or 2.6.31

[01:51:36]

AndrewNC_:

amazon has 1tb hitachi 7200rpm 16mb cache drive, or 1tb WD caviar green 32mb cache drive both for 80$... how are hitachi drives these days?

[01:52:31]

[R]:

Greek-Boy: yup

[01:52:45]

[R]:

AndrewNC_: zipzoomfly has 1tb for $70

[01:52:56]

AndrewNC_:

free shipping?

[01:52:57]

[R]:

the caviar green

[01:53:01]

[R]:

$70 total

[01:53:29]

Greek-Boy:

:(

[01:53:33]

AndrewNC_:

nice... though I do suffer from the geforce8300 sata bug with my current wd green :(

[01:53:49]

Greek-Boy:

it seems 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 is not available for ubuntu yet

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Greek-Boy:

not as stable anyway

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Greek-Boy:

well

[01:57:19]

Greek-Boy:

i'm upgrading to karmic and giving it a try

[01:57:25]

Greek-Boy:

[R] hope it works :-)

[01:57:37]

Greek-Boy:

[R]: are u using an HDV PVR?

[01:58:36]

AndrewNC_:

zzf is out of stock for half their 1tb+ drives

[01:59:14]

Heliwr:

you may want to hold off on that karmic upgrade, I just did so this morning and now my mythtv backend is hooped – mysql-server doesn't want to install correctly for some reason

[01:59:36]

AndrewNC_:

1.5tb seems to be same cost per gig... may as well make the most of the 10w and hd bay

[02:00:41]

jams:

man these python bindings for the frontend are not liking me

[02:01:13]

jams:

like 1 out 20 times will work correctly for doing anything

[02:01:20]

[R]:

Greek-Boy: yup

[02:01:56]

jst_home_:

jams: does the python bindings connect with telnet like the perl ones do?

[02:02:06]

Dagmar:

Heliwr: I'm sure there's something more specific than "some reason"

[02:02:35]

Greek-Boy:

[R]: Which distro u on?

[02:02:41]

[R]:

Greek-Boy: ubuntu

[02:02:43]

Heliwr:

I'm sure there is, but I haven't found the answer to that yet :P

[02:02:55]

jams:

yeah

[02:03:05]

jams:

well no they don't use telnet

[02:03:15]

jams:

but they use the remote interface

[02:04:04]

Greek-Boy:

well, i'm taking my chances and upgrading to karmic beta

[02:04:14]

Greek-Boy:

to get lirc working with my HD PVR

[02:04:17]

Greek-Boy:

:-)

[02:04:28]

Greek-Boy:

[R]: which version of ubuntu are u on?

[02:05:00]

[R]:

its 9.04

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[02:12:17]

jams:

at least the peice i'm trying to use does

[02:12:59]

mike_hurley_1:

anybody have issues with mythfrontend not getting lirc events until the frontend's been up a minute or two? during the time it doesn't work in mythfrontend my irexec commands still work.

[02:13:22]

mike_hurley_1:

i saw only a mention of gnome-screensaver being a possible cause, but it still does that with gnome-screensaver disabled

[02:13:59]

Dagmar:

That would be proof that most of the people blaming gnome-screensaver for their problems are idiots.

[02:14:01]

sphery:

disabling or not disabling gnome-screensaver made absolutely no difference at all even when we did have a bug

[02:14:19]

sphery:

it was the mere existence of the gnome-screensaver-command binary that was the issue

[02:14:52]

sphery:

so the only way you could get around the issue with the buggy version was to get rid of (rename/move/...) gnome-screensaver-command

[02:15:04]

sphery:

but, in this case, I seriously doubt the issue is that old bug

[02:15:33]

mike_hurley_1:

ok, the remote was working ok until about a week or two ago

[02:15:43]

sphery:

how are you starting mythfrontend?

[02:15:45]

mike_hurley_1:

ok as in immediate, it works ok once it starts working

[02:15:46]

sphery:

via mythwelcome?

[02:15:55]

sphery:

or starting automatically when X starts

[02:15:56]

mike_hurley_1:

uh...the default way that mythbuntu installs with

[02:16:02]

sphery:

or just starting with a terminal?

[02:16:14]

sphery:

I don't know *buntu, so ...

[02:16:42]

mike_hurley_1:

what files can I look at to tell you?

[02:16:42]

sphery:

does this mean you start X and mythfrontend starts and it doesn't work for a couple minutes

[02:16:48]

sphery:

tell me what you see

[02:17:01]

sphery:

frest boot

[02:17:04]

sphery:

fresh login

[02:17:05]

mike_hurley_1:

so mythbuntu boots the kernel and auto logs in and auto starts mythfrontend

[02:17:08]

sphery:

what happens before

[02:17:31]

sphery:

ok, then we need to stop mythfrontend and leave X running

[02:17:35]

sphery:

can you do that?

[02:17:39]

mike_hurley_1:

sure

[02:17:50]

sphery:

if so, then go to a terminal and run mythfrontend and see if it happens

[02:18:06]

sphery:

if so, then exit it and start mythfrontend.real and see if it happens

[02:18:06]

mike_hurley_1:

i'm actually on the box with ssh

[02:18:24]

mike_hurley_1:

is there a way to get ssh to allow me to kick off mythfrontend without saying "protocol not specified"

[02:18:31]

mike_hurley_1:

if i sudo it from ssh, it works fine

[02:18:50]

mike_hurley_1:

mythfrontend killed

[02:19:17]

sphery:

who normally runs mythfrontend?

[02:19:24]

mike_hurley_1:

user "mike"

[02:19:37]

sphery:

sudo to that user, then: export DISPLAY=:0 && mythfrontend

[02:19:47]

sphery:

sudo -i

[02:20:04]

sphery:

(unless you're already logged in as mike--and, really, it would be sudo -u mike -i

[02:21:01]

mike_hurley_1:

xprop: unable to open display ':0'

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mike_hurley_1:

i can vnc into it...any idea what i'm missing to allow this to work from ssh?

[02:21:27]

sphery:

no idea

[02:21:34]

sphery:

like I said, I don't know Ubuntu

[02:21:50]

Dagmar:

Just have X start it

[02:21:53]

mike_hurley_1:

so start the frontend again from a terminal?

[02:21:54]

Dagmar:

Problem solved.

[02:22:11]

Dagmar:

Go into /etc/X11/xinit and look for xinitrc

[02:22:16]

Dagmar:

That controls what runs when X is started

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mike_hurley_1:

sphery: you had me kill the frontend, it's killed, what next?

[02:22:20]

sphery:

the whole point here is to see if he gets the issue when he doesn't use the autostart stuff

[02:22:34]

sphery:

then start mythfrontend from a terminal and test the remote

[02:22:56]

sphery:

I'm assuming when you killed the frontend, it didn't kill X, right

[02:23:03]

Dagmar:

If he makes X start mythfrontend *only* then there will be NO "startup stuff:"

[02:23:24]

sphery:

there's still the X startup, too

[02:23:42]

sphery:

(and possible GNOME/KDE applets or whatever they're called starting up)

[02:23:46]

Dagmar:

Yes, this is why I said /etc/X11/xinit, not /root/.xinitrc or any of the other user-specific files

[02:23:50]

sphery:

basically, I want to start it from a "steady state"

[02:23:53]

Dagmar:

They ALL hook from that script

[02:24:32]

sphery:

X startup meaning spinning the discs reading files from the drive that make up the X app

[02:24:44]

sphery:

not meaning X session/init stuff

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Dagmar:

Whatever man

[02:25:11]

Dagmar:

It's not like I haven't built graphical workstations up from scratch for the last fifteen years or anything

[02:26:13]

jams:

wagnerrp- you see this alot when trying to use the Frontend class of the python binding http://pastebin.com/m54cff8a

[02:26:26]

Dagmar:

The /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is where X looks before it does anything else

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sphery:

Dagmar: I'm talking about a system that's sitting there idle

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mike_hurley_1:

sphery: mythfrontend's response to the remote is the same after killing/restarting

[02:26:57]

sphery:

starting X takes some effort

[02:27:08]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: OK, now try the same, but this time run mythfrontend.real

[02:27:10]

mike_hurley_1:

so it doesn't respond for a couple minutes then works fine

[02:27:37]

Dagmar:

sphery: I haven't been in front of my myth box to start it in months

[02:28:00]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure by now the batteries are out on the wireless keyboard plugged into it

[02:28:33]

sphery:

that explains why you don't seem to realize that when X starts, it reads the hard drive and uses more CPU than after X finishes loading

[02:29:21]

Dagmar:

Whatever

[02:29:48]

Dagmar:

If you intercept things at that script file, literally *nothing* happens once the screen appears

[02:30:02]

sphery:

basically, I just want a system sitting there idle when he starts it so nothing is happening when mythfrontend starts

[02:30:18]

sphery:

except, of course, starting mythfrontend

[02:30:22]

Dagmar:

So tell me

[02:30:38]

Dagmar:

If one puts mythfrontend into /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and only that...

[02:30:44]

Dagmar:

WHAT ELSZ COULD POSSIBLY START AFETR IT

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sphery:

before it

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sphery:

X

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Dagmar:

X is fully initialized when it comes to xinitrc

[02:31:17]

Dagmar:

dbus and all that stuff has nothing to do with X

[02:31:39]

sphery:

and, on my system, LIRC is fully initialized and taking commands before xinitrc

[02:31:41]

mike_hurley_1:

sphery: starting mythfrontend.real has the same behavior

[02:31:47]

sphery:

and on my system, lirc works when mythfrontend starts

[02:32:01]

mike_hurley_1:

and on my system it used to work ok

[02:32:08]

sphery:

so, I'm assuming something about his system is different from the ordinary

[02:32:40]

Dagmar:

sphery: No, really? What magic did you use to make that happen? Perhaps it was _having lircd running_

[02:32:53]

Dagmar:

lircd is not dependent upon X

[02:33:08]

Dagmar:

lirc works fine whether or not X is even installed (within reason)

[02:33:19]

Dagmar:

s/lirc/"lirc"/;

[02:33:25]

mike_hurley_1:

lircd is running

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sphery:

mike_hurley_1: if that's the case, then it's not a situation where LIRC isn't ready when it starts, it's not a situation where the *buntu mythfrontend startup mechanism starts mfe too soon, and it's not a situation where the *buntu start script (mythfrontend, which calls the real binary) causes issues

[02:33:53]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: but I can't tell you what it /is/

[02:34:08]

sphery:

Dagmar: that's what I'm saying, when it works, I know exactly why

[02:34:26]

sphery:

the issue here is not my working system, though, but trying to figure out what would make his system not work

[02:34:31]

mike_hurley_1:

what's odd is i use the down button the remote which of course the down arrow key and i'll press that a few times it'll sit then about 45s later it goes into mythgallery

[02:34:33]

Dagmar:

So what crazy talk is this about thing happening before/after xinitrc

[02:34:47]

Dagmar:

Let's see... so far we...

[02:34:53]

Dagmar:

1. Don't know when lircd is being started

[02:35:01]

mike_hurley_1:

i then press back and when it goes back to the main menu the remote's working

[02:35:01]

Dagmar:

2. Don't know where it's listening

[02:35:12]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: that sounds like it may be an issue with the media monitor

[02:35:24]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: do you have a CD in the drive or a flash drive in or something?

[02:35:27]

mike_hurley_1:

the log says it can't find what i think are my card readers

[02:35:36]

mike_hurley_1:

but why's it going into mythgallery?

[02:35:40]

Dagmar:

mike_hurley_1: Don't interpret, pastebin

[02:36:45]

mike_hurley_1:

i have the standard mythfrontend log piped into less

[02:36:52]

mike_hurley_1:

is there a way to have less dump to a file

[02:37:01]

Dagmar:

Yes, replace it with tee

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mike_hurley_1:

without rerunning mythfrontend

[02:37:21]

Dagmar:

...or just pipe it into a file to begin with and then tail that file

[02:37:22]

mike_hurley_1:

essentially tell it to buffer dump

[02:37:25]

Dagmar:

No.

[02:37:58]

mike_hurley_1:

does it help to know that during the time the remote doesn't work in mythfrontend, my irexec commands work?

[02:38:12]

Dagmar:

See, my money's on this being a problem with hal

[02:38:21]

mike_hurley_1:

i have the "Blue" button set to reboot the machine which works immediately

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Dagmar:

You've already dropped enough hints about it being busy trying to read nonexistant media

[02:39:25]

mike_hurley_1:

i'm going to rerun the frontend to get a log

[02:39:34]

mike_hurley_1:

what verbose level or just use standard?

[02:40:48]

sphery:

if the input to less is a file, hit s filename

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sphery:

to save

[02:41:04]

sphery:

if it is a pipe, not a file

[02:41:54]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: it sounds like it's just the mediamonitor scanning all the things on that removable disc, finding images and taking you to mythgallery

[02:42:31]

Dagmar:

...which would explain quite clearly why Myth would ignore the heck out of the user

[02:44:56]

mike_hurley_1:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1591630

[02:45:16]

mike_hurley_1:

it's a log through the remote starting to work so about 2 minutes of events

[02:46:08]

sphery:

the only real solution is to eject whatever removable media you have when you start myth

[02:46:47]

mike_hurley_1:

the dvd-rom drive is empty and the card reader is empty

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sphery:

I'd recommend turning off all the media monitoring stuff (but I don't remember where to do so--just think it's like 2 separate switches that both seem like they'd be enough individually) and testing

[02:50:01]

sphery:

it may just be misinterpreting what it finds and thinking something else is a removable drive

[02:50:38]

sphery:

I think there's a place you can specify where your removeable devices are, but I don't know where that is, either (and it may have a bad value in it)

[02:51:50]

iamlindoro:

I think it's the inverse of that-- you can specify those to ignore

[02:52:12]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, Media Monitor

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm in way over my head here... I completely disabled media monitoring years ago...

[02:52:56]

iamlindoro:

You can just uncheck "use new media" if you've got it checked

[02:53:21]

iamlindoro:

"This will cause MythTV to jump to an appropriate plugin when new media is inserted"

[02:53:46]

mike_hurley_1:

keyboard input does nothing as well

[02:54:01]

mike_hurley_1:

actually now that you mention it i checked that box while rummaging through options a week or two ago

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mike_hurley_1:

is media monitoring a broken feature?

[02:57:27]

wagnerrp:

i need to stop reading through the python docs

[02:57:40]

wagnerrp:

its making me want to rewrite large chunks of the bindings

[02:59:02]

iamlindoro:

no, media monitoring works fine when you configure it properly

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Dagmar:

"configure it properly" being the sticky part

[03:02:14]

mike_hurley_1:

disabling media monitoring fixes it!

[03:05:45]

sphery:

mike_hurley_1: Yeah, I wasn't saying it was broken--only that it isn't useful to me (as I don't play DVD's/CD's/... with Myth).

[03:06:25]

mike_hurley_1:

yeah, i tried but apparently my dvd reader is a cheap piece of crap that likes to spin up loudly and play choppy

[03:06:27]

Dagmar:

So like, this would have become immediately apparent had mythfrontend been launced from /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc even once

[03:06:47]

mike_hurley_1:

how so?

[03:06:56]

sphery:

It's a designed-in feature that when you have media inserted upon startup that it will scan it and start the appropriate plugin. If the media happens to be slow to read, it takes a while

[03:07:44]

sphery:

well, to me, it wasn't even apparent when we tried starting mythfrontend and mythfrontend.real from within a terminal--it was only when he mentioned its going to mythgallery that I realized what was happening

[03:08:00]

mike_hurley_1:

so what's messed up on my system that the monitoring hangs and goes to mythgallery when there's nothing to see/load?

[03:08:11]

sphery:

so it wouldn't have been any more apparent to me what was happening no matter how he started mythfrontend

[03:08:21]

mike_hurley_1:

shouldn't the media scanning be in a separate thread from the main UI?

[03:08:32]

sphery:

it is

[03:08:38]

mike_hurley_1:

so why's it hang the main UI?

[03:08:58]

sphery:

but when the idea is to start the plugin that makes sense for the media, it can't start the UI (the plugin) until it knows what's on the media

[03:09:52]

mike_hurley_1:

because it would be odd to start using the main ui and then suddenly jump to a more specific one

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mzb:

iamlindoro, rather than writing a function to sort through a myriad of options, I think it's probably better to just execute pre/post scripts (if set) and pass the details to the script

[03:11:50]

iamlindoro:

mzb, That was my supposition earlier ;)

[03:12:14]

mzb:

yep .. took me some mowing to get that far ;)

[03:12:19]

mzb:

I'll get back to that later ... time to do some digging

[03:12:22]

iamlindoro:

I know how that is :)

[03:13:47]

Dagmar:

It's a feature that the last time I checked was dependent upon other things which are started by the window manager's special session manager

[03:13:48]

mike_hurley_1:

thanks guys

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Dagmar:

If you kill all of that stuff of by simply having X only run the frontend, none of it'll work anymore

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Dagmar:

...which considering that it causes weird things like that, suits me fine that I've got it basically cauterized here.

[03:16:18]

sphery:

mzb: are you working on pre-/post-playback script functionality

[03:16:32]

sphery:

mzb: if so want to make a generic event architecture? :)

[03:16:51]

Dagmar:

It'd be better if the media monitor functionality were moved out into even shell scripts called from hal *and* dbus

[03:17:04]

Dagmar:

Then they wouldn't _block_. Myth could just listen to dbus's short little messages

[03:17:11]

sphery:

Dagmar: the media monitor is in myth

[03:17:22]

sphery:

so it's not disabled if you start myth through xinit

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Dagmar:

Don't wanna hear it

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Dagmar:

You were trying to say it keeps the hard drive spinning

[03:18:22]

Dagmar:

...and "oh no wonder you think that if you're never in front of the machine"

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mzb:

sphery, I'm planning on working with pre/post-playback ... not into the working stage yet (as such) ;)

[04:23:10]

mzb:

I'm not sure if a "generic event architecture" is within my mental capacity ... but feel free to explain the theory and I'll take it onboard

[04:23:26]

mzb:

s/mental capacity/coding skills ;)

[04:23:42]

mzb:

although I can certainly have a bash at it

[04:24:12]

mzb:

from the feedback (WAF) I've had so far it's going to be one of those things that just *has* to be done :))

[04:25:43]

mzb:

sphery, do you want to go as far as dbus signalling, or do you prefer another method?

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mzb:

my plan so far is just to hack in something like the custom player functionality.

[04:27:08]

mzb:

eg: pre_playback.sh %TITLE% %CATEGORY% %RATING% %LENGTH%

[04:28:35]

mzb:

I reckon that the effect of a 700W soft-start/stop X10 dimmer would be quite spectacular ;)

[04:29:09]

Dagmar:

I suppose you'd probably want to go ahead and be diling the fire department for starters.

[04:29:11]

mzb:

the only thing I'd be missing then (well, apart from 5.1 audio ... etc) would be a large screen ;))

[04:30:28]

mzb:

Dagmar, can't think why I'd want to do that (automatically;))

[04:31:41]

mzb:

google for an LD11 and you'll work out what I'm talking about

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Dagmar:

Oh thta's a new model

[04:33:31]

Dagmar:

I thought they fell a couple hundred shy of that maximum you cited

[04:34:20]

mzb:

no, got the real thing ... and only 4 lights on it (2 of which can be independently switched)

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mzb:

ie: 60W x 4 ... might go further later on ... not sure

[04:35:09]

Dagmar:

You've got a hell of a lot of headroom for it

[04:35:17]

mzb:

:)

[04:35:25]

Dagmar:

700W with the "normal" dimmers == *POOF*

[04:35:39]

mzb:

4x 100W is starting to feel realistic ;)

[04:35:46]

mzb:

yep

[04:36:07]

mzb:

iirc most of the little ones are rated at about 300W

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mangus580:

guys, looking for a simple opinion....

[04:36:29]

mangus580:

would I be better off building my own box for a frontend... or starting with an old xbox?

[04:36:39]

** mzb feels wary of simple questions **

[04:36:55]

mangus580:

mzb: I didnt say simple questino... simple opinion!!

[04:37:03]

mzb:

ah

[04:37:20]

mzb:

simple opinion: depends on your definition of "old"

[04:37:26]

mzb:

ah

[04:37:27]

mzb:

xbox

[04:37:32]

mangus580:

heh

[04:37:41]

mangus580:

well... pre 360?

[04:37:44]

mangus580:

something 'cheap'

[04:37:45]

mzb:

no .. build new, and be able to watch HD

[04:38:05]

mangus580:

I dont have anything HD capable at the moment, so I dont care for HD

[04:38:13]

mangus580:

and $ is an issue :-)

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mzb:

you already have other FE/BE ?

[04:38:57]

mangus580:

yes... its on my server, and will live in the basement

[04:39:05]

mangus580:

I am looking for a FE for the living room where the TV is

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mzb:

I can imagine that you'll put a year or or into getting the xbox to play, and play nicely ... and then decide to throw it out in favour of HD playback without headaches ;)

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mangus580:

ok

[04:40:01]

mangus580:

figured I would ask, since its a nice self contained box... and the wiki says they can be used

[04:40:31]

mzb:

yeah, but by the time you get it working it will be even more redundant than it is now ;)

[04:40:46]

mzb:

but really, you should ask an expert ;)

[04:40:59]

mangus580:

so just round up a motherboard, and such that I have kicking around, and build something :-)

[04:41:32]

mzb:

and if it's too noisy then mount it under the floor ;)

[04:42:00]

mangus580:

what are the min specs for a frontend?

[04:42:04]

mzb:

(or too big, too ugly ... or anything that might give WAF--)

[04:42:11]

mzb:

for SD?

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mangus580:

SD?

[04:42:43]

mzb:

as opposed to HD

[04:42:47]

mangus580:

yeah

[04:42:48]

mzb:

my first FE was an overclocked p3–650, but I wouldn't suggest you go there

[04:43:01]

mzb:

worked, but painful

[04:43:06]

mangus580:

:-)

[04:43:17]

mangus580:

so like an Athlon XP1800 would be fine

[04:43:44]

mzb:

then I went to an Dell optiplex p3–1000 ... not a bad box ... fairly quiet

[04:44:12]

wagnerrp:

anything mid-to-high P3 or better is good for standard-def mpeg2

[04:44:13]

mangus580:

I was hoping to make something fanless.... but I doubt that will happen

[04:44:25]

mzb:

and then to an EPIA M10000 ... which is slightly harder to setup, but much smaller

[04:44:38]

mzb:

yeah, fanless will probably cost you $

[04:44:41]

wagnerrp:

a high end P3, or P4/AthXP would be needed for SD mpeg4

[04:44:58]

mangus580:

even just for playback?

[04:44:59]

wagnerrp:

and a midrange P4/AthXP would be needed for SD h264

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wagnerrp:

just for playback

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mangus580:

k

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** mzb hands the "simple opinion" flag to wagnerrp and goes back to gardening **

[04:46:05]

wagnerrp:

you can probably get by with less

[04:46:34]

wagnerrp:

but those are safe minimums for very generalized terms describing content

[04:47:05]

wagnerrp:

if you want to provide bitrates, codecs, settings, resolutions, interlacing... the requirements can be narrowed further

[04:47:17]

mangus580:

I havent figured that much out yet!

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wagnerrp:

a full system capable of playing back nearly all the content you will come across will run ~$200

[04:48:44]

wagnerrp:

making it quiet, and getting all the accessories you may want for a frontend will bring up closer to $300

[04:48:49]

wagnerrp:

and that is for a full system

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wagnerrp:

with new hardware, that can still be purchased retail

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mangus580:

well, I have 2–3 boards with xp1800's on them

[04:49:26]

mangus580:

and at least 2 cards capable of s-video out (although some are all-in-wonders)

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wagnerrp:

those should do perfectly fine with any standard definition content

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mangus580:

some ram... and a random HD

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wagnerrp:

dedicated frontend should have at minimum 512MB

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mangus580:

also considered an old thinkpad t23

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wagnerrp:

you can have less, but it is not recommended

[04:50:25]

mangus580:

but that might be a little light on cpu

[04:50:26]

wagnerrp:

similarly, you can often get by on ATI hardware, but it is not recommended

[04:50:39]

mangus580:

yeah, learned that with my fc11 desktop last night

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wagnerrp:

a t23 is a tualatin?

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mangus580:

trying to set it up

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wagnerrp:

1.13GHz or so?

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mangus580:

1.2 I think?

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mangus580:

p3 I am pretty sure

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wagnerrp:

a tualatin is a late core P3

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mangus580:

gotcha

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mangus580:

sounds about right

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mangus580:

it has a bad LCD adn keyboard

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mangus580:

so it would make a decent setup... even has the svid

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wagnerrp:

that should play any standard definition mpeg2 or mpeg4

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mangus580:

k

[04:52:01]

wagnerrp:

will probably choke on h264 dvd rips and the like

[04:52:05]

wagnerrp:

depending on your bitrate

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wagnerrp:

assuming the radeon or r128 drivers support Xv

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wagnerrp:

no Xv support? all bets are off

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mangus580:

yeah

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mangus580:

I should probably just use the desktop parts I got

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mangus580:

I got one another ?

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mangus580:

how can I setup the backend to auto start on boot?

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mangus580:

the info in the documentation seems to be out of date (has a bad link thats required)

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wagnerrp:

set up an init script to do so

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mangus580:

got a link to a faq or wiki to tell me how to do so?

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wagnerrp:

most distros that have a copy of myth in their package manager will have one of these already set up

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mangus580:

yeah... sad to say not my setup

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mangus580:

unless its just not active

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mzb:

iamlindoro, am I right in thinking that internal_play_media is only for videos, as opposed to recordings?

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henkpoley:

I should have taken a picture of the insides of my myth system, don't even know if the humongous Scythe Ninja leaves any room for a graphics card now.

[07:20:35]

wagnerrp:

because it was designed to ATX standards

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wagnerrp:

and there is an expected amount of space between the socket and the first expansion slot

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matey:

hallo

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wagnerrp:

arrr matey

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matey:

ahoy

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matey:

what is it with the kaffeine channel file? is it just me or did they change the format or does mythtv not accept it anymore?

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wagnerrp:

myth's channels.conf import capability has been in some form of brokenness for a long time

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wagnerrp:

and its not a 'kaffeine channel file', but rather the dvb-utils channel file

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matey:

yeah

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matey:

hmm

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matey:

is the pin code required for local connections?

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matey:

im a little unsure if my frontend is connected

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matey:

maybe there are different levels of being connected

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wagnerrp:

the pincode is required for UPNP autodetection of the backend by the frontend

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matey:

i got no errors, i can see the weather, even the epg data, but scheduling a recording has just no effect

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wagnerrp:

it prevents you from having to set the initial DB settings when starting a frontend for the first time

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matey:

not sure if i was ever prompted to ente

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wagnerrp:

aside from that initial setup assistance, it is never used again

[08:16:32]

matey:

r, but i guess i have

[08:16:39]

matey:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

if you are running your frontend as the same user as the backend on the same host

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matey:

i am

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wagnerrp:

the database access file will have already been setup

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wagnerrp:

and the frontend would not have had to go looking for it

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matey:

yes its all there

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matey:

and i some things do work

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matey:

and its not complaining about mysql or whatever

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matey:

i can even make a channel scan

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matey:

does that sound like front-end or back-end problem to you?

[08:20:20]

wagnerrp:

if you are making new schedules, and the scheduler is not picking up new programs

[08:20:28]

wagnerrp:

the tuners are likely not connected

[08:20:38]

wagnerrp:

meaning a backend issue

[08:20:48]

wagnerrp:

such as, the backend not running

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wagnerrp:

did you start the backend after closing mythtv-setup?

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matey:

yeah, i think so

[08:22:31]

matey:

oh

[08:22:32]

matey:

hm

[08:22:33]

matey:

well

[08:22:46]

matey:

now i started it while the setup is running

[08:22:53]

matey:

that was probably stupid

[08:23:17]

matey:

but the backend was running, how can i see the weather and epg data otherwise?

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wagnerrp:

because all plugins run entirely on the frontend

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matey:

oh

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matey:

i didnt know that

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matey:

well anyways

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matey:

i think it checks right after launching the frontend wether it is connected

[08:25:46]

matey:

i know theres errors like: "are you sure the backend is running and the ip is correct " and so on

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matey:

what did you mean by "the tuners are not connected"?

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wagnerrp:

if you are making schedules, and nothing is getting scheduled

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wagnerrp:

the backend has decided those tuners are unusable for whatever reason

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matey:

and apparently they are

[08:28:10]

matey:

cause i cant watch tv with them

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matey:

it gives me an error

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matey:

maybe i picked the wrong device type or so

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matey:

but why the hell would the channel scan work then?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs for an error

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matey:

hm

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any reason you know of why 'videocategory' is off in its own lookup table, unlike genre/country/cast which have separate list and crossreference tables?

[08:48:08]

matey:

http://nopaste.info/44a95afd32.html

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matey:

mind take a look?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, seems each 'video' is only allowed one category, so theres no need for a crossreference table

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wagnerrp:

well you see that line 18? theres your problem

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, you failed to set an IP in the two IP boxes, first page, first bullet, in mythtv-setup

[08:51:24]

matey:

i have done that

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matey:

well

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wagnerrp:

rather, 17, 19, 20, 21... not 18

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matey:

not for the master

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matey:

cause i dont have one

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matey:

what?

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wagnerrp:

the master is the primary backend

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wagnerrp:

how can you possibly not have a primary backend?

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matey:

oh

[08:52:19]

wagnerrp:

even if you only have one, even if it controls nothing else, it is still the primary

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matey:

weird

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matey:

my bad then

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matey:

i always thought of a master as another backend

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matey:

thanks

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matey:

why not 18?

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wagnerrp:

the lines

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wagnerrp:

17 had a blank where it should have had an ip

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matey:

oh

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wagnerrp:

19–21 spelled out your exact problem

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matey:

didnt know you were refering to the lines

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matey:

the ports of the backend and master backend are the same, is that supposed to be like that?

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wagnerrp:

those two lines just decide who gets to be the master

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wagnerrp:

only one backend runs on a machine

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wagnerrp:

but if BackendServerIP == MasterBackendIP, the backend makes itself the master

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matey:

thats good

[08:59:23]

matey:

another question, can i remove a tv card (video source), not sure how to describe that

[08:59:48]

matey:

i added a different device type earlier, cause i assumed i had picked the wrong

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matey:

so now i got twp

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matey:

two

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matey:

but it only offers to remove all

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wagnerrp:

'tv card' != 'video source'

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matey:

its a tv card

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wagnerrp:

your video source is... your video source

[09:01:23]

wagnerrp:

that would be your cable provider, or broadcast stations in your area

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wagnerrp:

is is the list of channels that you can expect to receive from that medium

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wagnerrp:

your video source exists independently from your tuner cards, and can be attached to one or multiple video cards

[09:02:16]

matey:

i added a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

you can remove all your tuner cards, and add them all back, without ever touching your video sources

[09:02:48]

wagnerrp:

to delete a single tuner card, select it in the list in mythtv-setup, and hit 'd'

[09:02:59]

matey:

oh

[09:03:02]

matey:

yeah

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matey:

anyways

[09:03:17]

matey:

still cant watch tv

[09:03:53]

matey:

now it just goes black returns to the screen with the thing

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs again

[09:04:03]

matey:

ill go check the logs again

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matey:

http://nopaste.info/ldcd0437b8.html

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wagnerrp:

snafu

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matey:

http://nopaste.info/1dcd0437b8.html

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matey:

master backend tried to connect to itself

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like you fixed the IP, without restarting the backend

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wagnerrp:

no, you did restart it

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what you could have done that would result in the backend trying to connect to itself

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matey:

it kills the backend when i enter setup

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matey:

so how would that be possible?

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wagnerrp:

no, ubuntu kills the backend when you enter the setup

[09:15:23]

wagnerrp:

thats not typical mythtv behavior

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matey:

well then its ubuntu

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matey:

im watchin tv!

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laga:

go read a book? ;)

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matey:

no way..

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matey:

not before i have setup my remote

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matey:

and the tv output

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matey:

maybe im too demanding

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mzb:

ok, I've got a very basic hack to do pre/post scripts (per frontend) by modifying internal_play_media in mythfrontend/main.cpp

[10:44:51]

mzb:

however, that only works for videos, not recordings

[10:45:23]

mzb:

can anyone point me in the right direction for the function to modify for recording playback?

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mzb:

(livetv would be next)

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mzb:

startPlaybackWithGroup ?

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mzb:

except there's no recording info in that function

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justinh:

mangus580: OI! No private messaging without asking. That violation of IRC ettiquette always results in people appearing on my ignore list no matter what

[10:50:12]

justinh:

I don't get paid enough to offer one to one help

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Lagroth_:

hello

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mzb:

um ... come to think of it, I don't need recording info :|

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justinh:

mzb: problem solved then :)

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Lagroth_:

Does anyone know where I can find some info on getting sound to work in mythtv? My Google skills are exhausted.

[10:52:29]

mzb:

justinh, yes, quite ;)

[10:52:39]

justinh:

Lagroth_: give some details here & people may be able to help

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Lagroth_:

kk, Just install kubuntu 9.01. I added MythTv via apt-get. Sound seems to work for all my other programs but not MythTv. I've tried fiddling with the mythtv set-up options. What else would be most helpful? (hardware?)

[10:55:12]

justinh:

which version of mythtv?

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_ben:

how are you outputting sound?

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Lagroth_:

I'm not sure how to check the exact version, but I'm pretty sure it 0.21

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justinh:

does 9.01 use pulseaudio? mythtv won't be happy with that

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Lagroth_:

sound is froma single 3.5 mill jack on my motherboard

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justinh:

and when you say 'sound' do you mean you don't hear ANY sound – from TV, videos or music?

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justinh:

this kind of info is important

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Lagroth_:

I already removed pulseaudio (sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio)

[10:58:03]

Lagroth_:

hmmm I might have to go get a video file

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justinh:

do you have a tuner card? is that what you mean – no audio in 'watch tv' ?

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justinh:

*details*

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justinh:

having to press people for info is tiresome :)

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Lagroth_:

yes i have a nova-T 500 tuner card and live tv looks fine

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Lagroth_:

GA-MA78GPM-Ds2H motherboard

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Lagroth_:

using the onboard sound

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justinh:

right, so it's not a problem capturing audio cos the sound is in the streams with the video

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Lagroth_:

as far as i can tell alsa is working for my other programs

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Lagroth_:

yeah, tuner card does that

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justinh:

so far so good

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Lagroth_:

I did have until last week mythbuntu 8.10 installed on the same hardware

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Lagroth_:

it worked fine

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_ben:

pastebin the output of `aplay -l`

[11:00:21]

Lagroth_:

copy and paste is fine?

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justinh:

*pastebin*

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justinh:

e.g. mythtv.pastebin.ca

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_ben:

i just wonder if myth is trying to output to a different output than you are trying to use

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Lagroth_:

I'm sorry I don't understand

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Lagroth_:

'aplay -l makes sense, but what is pastebin?

[11:01:26]

_ben:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca

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_ben:

copy and paste into there, submit and share the link

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justinh:

pastebin is a website where you paste stuff so you don't flood the channel & piss everyone off

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Lagroth_:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1592215

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Lagroth_:

ahh thanks

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justinh:

another detail. HDMI audio?

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_ben:

I'd perhaps try changing Audio output device in setup->general to ALSA:plughw:0,1

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mzb:

starting mythfrontend with "-v all" would probably pinpoint the issue pretty quickly

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_ben:

true

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Lagroth_:

not hdmi audio, just a normal headphone jack

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justinh:

god not -v all

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justinh:

you don't need 'all' to diagnose this

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Lagroth_:

-v all here we go

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Lagroth_:

woha

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justinh:

-v playback for starters

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mzb:

yay ... pre&post for videos, recordings _and_ livetv ... right, time to setup heyu proxies ;)

[11:05:33]

Lagroth_:

this looks promising "AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 2116 need 6144"

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justinh:

Lagroth_: nope

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Lagroth_:

it repeats a few times with -v all

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justinh:

which device is it trying to use

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Lagroth_:

=(

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justinh:

cos whichever it is, it's the wrong one

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Lagroth_:

do these two lines help? "Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 48000" "Opening ALSA audio device 'default'." or should I pastebin more?

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justinh:

so it's set to use ALSA::default

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Lagroth_:

yup

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Lagroth_:

there are a few other options

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justinh:

remember the output of aplay -l, how no device was called 'default' ?

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justinh:

making the default setting mythfrontend uses something that can only be set when you follow an audio setup howto page in the mythtv wiki is broken

[11:10:28]

justinh:

VERY broken

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_ben:

Heh

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Lagroth_:

i.e the three names where "ALC883 Analog" "ALC883 Digital" and "ATI HDMI"

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Lagroth_:

were*

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justinh:

it's bloody ridiculous

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_ben:

anyhow, changing your output to ALSA:plughw:0,1 should fix it

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mzb:

fwiw, I use ALSA:default on this machine (workstation) _and_ it has pulseaudio

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justinh:

Lagroth_: you'll have to actually type that into the selection boc

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justinh:

*box

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justinh:

mzb: yeah but on systems where the output isn't called that...

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mzb:

this is Jaunty

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justinh:

whatever the f*ck Jaunty is

[11:13:09]

mzb:

latest version of Ubuntu

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mzb:

unless I've missed a recent release ;)

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Lagroth_:

I'll go type that into setup->general

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justinh:

ah 9.04. I hate their naming scheme

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_ben:

Yeah, is a bit stupid

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mzb:

to make that even more confusing, this is multiseat ... so two sound cards ;)

[11:13:47]

justinh:

a bit? ffs

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justinh:

anyway.. time to go do something less boring instead

[11:14:29]

mzb:

and even worse ... aplay -l shows no default

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mzb:

ie: pulseaudio takes care of it (afaik)

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Lagroth_:

I typed that into the audio page under audio output device and no luck

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Lagroth_:

fixed it, i needed analogue so

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Lagroth_:

ALSA:plughw:0,0

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Lagroth_:

thanks so much guys

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Lagroth_:

man I need to do some more reading on alsa

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Lagroth_:

Cheers

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_ben:

Hm, i've got this issue where i have to turn on the tv before the mythbox in order to get output over hdmi – don't suppose there's a way to work around this?

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laga:

there is

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laga:

xorg.conf fiddling

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_ben:

ok, cool

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dustybin:

monit keeps on restarting my backend

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dustybin:

the mythbackend log says this: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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dustybin:

lots of those, there are no error message

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dustybin:

there is lots of free space

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dustybin:

i forgot about this log: cat /var/log/mytherror.log

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mzb:

you beauty! ... auto-dimming lights here I come ;)

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AndyCap:

mzb: uh, what?

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mzb:

I've added some pre+post commands for playback

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AndyCap:

aha. :)

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mzb:

eg: play recording and lights are dimmed, end recording playback and lights come back up

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mzb:

now all I need is a big screen ;))

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AndyCap:

mzb: what do you use for controlling the lights?

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laga:

mossberg 500

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AndyCap:

harr harr

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mzb:

x10 + heyu

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AndyCap:

laga: how do you get them back? :)

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mzb:

for the lights themselves (in this room) I have an LD11 module

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laga:

AndyCap: time travel

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laga:

sheesh

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mzb:

(700W dimmer with soft-start/stop)

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AndyCap:

laga: ah. duh.

[12:47:44]

** lyricnz kicks his dvico dual digital's. Uuguhg **

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mzb:

controlling heyu remotely is going to be interesting ... without a 2nd CM11

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mzb:

ah stuff it ... quick script ;)

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AndyCap:

control it remotely how? it only handles one "control interface" at a time?

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AndyCap:

next: an ikea tupplur and a x-10 blind motor.

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tmkt:

Morning

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mzb:

rofl ... well that works (well enough for now) ... totally decadent!

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mzb:

AndyCap, atm I'm just running a script on the FE through SSH on the pbx (which runs heyu and has the CM11)

[13:03:16]

mzb:

in theory it might be easier to put my 2nd CM11 on the FE (when it arrives)

[13:03:45]

mzb:

*or* repair my RF transceiver so that the FE can send via the cm19a plugged into it ;)

[13:04:51]

mzb:

now to bring the lights up for a short period when movement's detected during playback ;) (ie: going to get a beer from the fridge)

[13:05:30]

mzb:

hmm ... might have to use another sensor

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AndyCap:

mzb: not to mention pausing mythtv. :P

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AndyCap:

that won't get annoying. :P

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dustybin:

mzb: i use heyu

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dustybin:

mzb: i setup the myth menu so i have the options to turn my sub on/off + lights / on / off + fan on /off

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mzb:

hmm ... pausing ... nope that won't happen as the telnet socket is permanently in use by py_wii

[13:12:37]

lyricnz:

What's the "correct" way to deal with DVB, where channel scan finds dozens of channels that are duplicates/test patterns. Delete channels? Not assign channel numbers, and set UI to ignore those? Other?

[13:12:50]

mzb:

dustybin, I've got remotes, sensors and switches for that ... not sure I want it in the mythtv menu as well ;)

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mzb:

also have RF wireless thermostats for ceiling fan and heater (only fan is wired up so far)

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AndyCap:

hmm,

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mzb:

I'd need to buy either expensive RX/TX stuff to do the digimax otherwise, _or_ buy a security panel (SC28)

[13:14:29]

AndyCap:

that sounds a little dangerous. what if your heater misses an off signal from the thermostat?

[13:14:59]

AndyCap:

or does it retransmit regularly?

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mzb:

it does a keepalive-styled thing

[13:15:18]

mzb:

(5 mins iirc)

[13:16:02]

mzb:

and besides, if it gets too hot and bursts into flames the ceiling fan will turn on and make it worse ;))

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mzb:

hehe

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AndyCap:

haha, reminds me of an old story in Unixworld.

[13:16:57]

AndyCap:

where some guy controlled his lights with a shell script to emulate inhabitants while on vacation.

[13:17:33]

AndyCap:

unfortunately the intervals got short and shorter until his house looked like a disco and his neighbours called the cops.

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mzb:

lol

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AndyCap:

"Explaining it to the police was .. intersting"

[13:18:42]

** mzb imagines trying to explain *anything* in his house to the police **

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AndyCap:

you have 20 seconds to comply!

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mzb:

heheh

[13:22:03]

mzb:

"Well it's like this, officer. The automatic irrigation system turned on 30 minutes after dawn as there's been no rain for 3 days. However, the water seeping down the hill finally made the wall of the house collapse. The draft from the hole caused the heater to turn on, which caught fire from leaves blowing onto it. The ceiling fan then turned on and fanned the blaze while the mythtv system attempted to play randomly through 1500 music

[13:22:03]

mzb:

videos causing the lights to flash on and off..."

[13:22:19]

mzb:

I can just imagine how much worse that story might actually be ;)

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AndyCap:

haha. :

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mzb:

ps: 1500 missed calls from my alarm system

[13:23:19]

AndyCap:

Damnit! NetworkComputing stole the unixworld archives.

[13:23:19]

mzb:

heh

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mzb:

guess I'd better put in a "hole in wall" sensor ;)

[13:24:27]

mzb:

ps the heater is 3.5kW ... going to cost a bit to control

[13:25:08]

mzb:

(or thereabouts)

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mzb:

idea is to keep all the controls as normal, but switch the supply

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AndyCap:

hmm, are you sure it will handle that well?

[13:26:13]

mzb:

which is going to take a 63A relay! (I'm told)

[13:26:33]

mzb:

yeah, just leave it on medium I guess

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AndyCap:

ah, because you have such a wussy voltage.

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dustybin:

mzb: remote, sensors and switches ? what is the sensor used for? alarm?

[13:26:57]

mzb:

wussy? 240VAC?

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AndyCap:

so your heater takes 15kW?

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AndyCap:

mzb: should have had 400V on the larger circuits. :P 230 is for the living room.

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mzb:

dustybin, there are two types of PIRs here. One lot is for the alarm system, which is X10-capable. The others are X10 MS14A's ... movement only (although because of the way I've wired things up I can actually trigger the alarm panel)

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

mzb: i can control zoneminder via my phone using asterisk

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mzb:

I was told I'd probably need 40–60 ish amp relay for the heater

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dustybin:

mzb: i can also control X10 via my phone

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mzb:

ah, yes ... got to get into zoneminder ... I've been modifying USB webcams with that intention

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mzb:

via app or cmd line?

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dustybin:

zoneminder is excellent, usb cams are good enough, the cheapest way of doing it

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mzb:

apart from "normal" computers I've also now got 2x routers with USB ports ... you get the idea ;)

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dustybin:

mzb: what app?

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mzb:

to control via phone

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mzb:

or .. web interface?

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dustybin:

mzb: i ring my voip number, i press a few digits to get into a secret menu

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mzb:

oh ... of course ... an IVR

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dustybin:

then i can control zoneminder + x10 via the menu

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mzb:

yes, neat

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dustybin:

yes

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dustybin:

please choose a following option. 1.. zoneminder on 2.. zoneminder off 3.. x10 on 4.. x10 off

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mzb:

hmm ... better make a plan for that ;)

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dustybin:

its ideal if you are away from computers and just have a cellphone

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mzb:

I've been toying with a myth jabber bot

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mzb:

I guess I could get it to do that too

[13:33:30]

mzb:

I was using the inbuilt IM client on the phone ... so all the right alerts and things

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mzb:

nokia e51

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dustybin:

aye nice

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mzb:

but having both would be good

[13:34:13]

dustybin:

logically, you can just email your cellphone with any server information you fancy

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mzb:

the mobile phone is essentially an extension of the house (even when I'm not home;))

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mzb:

I have asterisk too

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AndyCap:

mzb: heh. I think I saw one of the fedora developers basing his home automatio on jabber

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mzb:

gawd

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mzb:

MOAR BUTTONS! ;)

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AndyCap:

Mark J Cox.

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mzb:

I've got 2x keychain remotes which are pretty cool ... currently only used for play/pause/stop/prev/next with music videos

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mzb:

(X10 remotes)

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dustybin:

ok

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mzb:

hopefully nobody else in the neighbourhood ends up with x10 too :)) ... I'm using a *lot* of house codes ;)

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mzb:

only a filter away though, I guess

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smithna:

Does anyone know if jamu (coming with 0.22) can download mpaa ratings from IMDB? I know it requires the perl script, and I know themoviedb doesn't have mpaa ratings yet...

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dustybin:

iamlindoro said there is a release date for .22, i wonder where it is hiding

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laga:

real soon now.

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dustybin:

laga: rsnapshot is working perfectly, excellent

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dustybin:

laga: it backs up my home box, and 2 remote servers

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: Jamu must conform to MythTV standards and use TMDB as its source for metadata. You can enable a secondary source for metadata in the jamu configuration file. See details in the jamu-example.conf file. It may not get what you want but may be close.

[13:43:19]

mzb:

time to watch a movie ... and test these light scripts ;)

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dustybin:

hey on mzb

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dustybin:

heyu on mzb

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mzb:

hehe

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mzb:

heyu dim me

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mzb:

doh!

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smithna:

RDV_Linux: from the wiki: "You must have the python IMDbPy library v3.8 or higher installed." (no, I don't have a clue why)

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smithna:

And I got error messages until I installed it....

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dustybin:

these hard drives are mythtv .22 ready! http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158614

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: When you are running any interactive (-MI) option and are selecting the IMDB number for a movie the movies are found/displayed using IMDbPy library.

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: In the future (post 0.22) IMDB#s will no longer be used to ID movies. At that time IMDbPY will no longer be required, but until then ...

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smithna:

Why are imdb id required now?

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dustybin:

my mythbackend keeps on crashing:

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dustybin:

[4784864.026862] mythbackend[16368]: segfault at 9e0ce0f5 ip b5b04ea9 sp ad7fd294 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[b5a96000+155000]

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dustybin:

libc-2.7 ...

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: IMDB#s had always been used to ID movie metadata. The movie metadata grabber in MythVideo (tmdb.pl) still uses IMDB#s which themoviedb.com supports as one method for movie lookups.

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: As with all releases some changes make it and some are pushed off until the next release, This is one of those being pushed off.

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smithna:

Ok, cool

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smithna:

On the subject of Jamu... Will it retroactively fix genre? I see the config file allows you to restrict the genre list from TMDB (as there seems to be 1M of them listed there), but am unsure if it will fix what's already in the DB.

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smithna:

Especially, as the wiki says to fix that after you mass update.

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: Jamu will only add genre that is not associated with a movie but does not change any existing data. The config option you refer to is due to the crap spewed as a genre from TMDB. P.S. TMDB is in the process of fixing that in the next v2.1 API.

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: If you have a trouble some movie you can use MythVideo to reset that movies metadata and then download the metadata again which may fix things.

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smithna:

RDV_Linux: Then shouldn't the wiki tell people to fix that option prior to running the mass update?

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: The wiki reference is only about reducing or customizing your genres. Personally I have never altered that config option as I like it the way it is.

[14:03:36]

RDV_Linux:

smithna: You could change it before a mass update but would you really know what to change before you see your metadata?

[14:05:42]

smithna:

RDV_Linux: You could eliminate/combine things like Animation vs Animation Fillm, remove Noir combos, etc

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: You are bringing up the same complaints you see on the TMDB forum. Jamu generally only reflects the data it gets from the source. The config feature you have referred to was added to counter a overtly grievous situation.

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: My understanding is TMDB is making the change you have mentioned.

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smithna:

Any idea when API 2.1 will be finished?

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smithna:

BTW: from my reading — it doesn't look like MPAA ratings will make it into that version

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RDV_Linux:

smithna: I doubt API 2.1 will be done soon as I think they are busy trying to deal with the current load issues. Nothing a Web site hates more than success ;)

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smithna:

lol

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gbee:

I really hope Travis isn't going to include only MPAA ratings instead of the generic 'rating system' + 'rating value' that I suggested

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gbee:

MPAA only is next to useless

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: I have no idea. In general I only visit the forum to see if any progress is being made on the v2.1 api so I can move jamu to that version.

[14:35:30]

gbee:

I've not really read the forums for weeks now, too busy

[14:35:37]

_ben:

is it possible that the 'rescedule' event resets the shutdown time when using mythwelcome?

[14:35:43]

smithna:

either way, the parental controls in 0.21 aren't useful in 0.22 unless you manually add the data to the database (guessing not a lot of people want to do that)

[14:36:27]

gbee:

we'll see, Travis is not American so he probably understands why an MPAA only addition to the API would be a missed opportunity

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Would you please look at the error in this trace. It involves MythDB.py, I am sure that the user has a legit error but the "raise" error seems to have an issue. Tell me if you think if MythDB,py has an issue.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31723580/Traceback.txt

[14:38:37]

gbee:

I really wanted a rating statetype in 0.22 so we could use country specific images, but without the data it's not really that useful

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Travis is Canadian I think. We are inundated with US standards so he may not see things as you are expecting.

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_ben:

ah, so it could be EIT that resets the shutdown timer

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: pretty sure he's Australian or maybe a Kiwi

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: I thought I saw that he moved back to Canada (Alberta) from Australia within the last few months. In that forum post he said he was a native Canadian.

[14:43:04]

gbee:

"From: Calgary, Canada" .. guess not, wonder where I got that impression from

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: ahh, ok he just lived over there

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_ben:

ah, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3597#comment:7

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: the error string works just fine

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wagnerrp:

the best i can tell, the user has some mangled config.xml

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wagnerrp:

such that one of those dict fields is not a string

[16:03:36]

wagnerrp:

but rather some DOM instance

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RDV_Linux:

Yes the config.xml is the likely config issue. It seems that users that upgrade to the 0.22 Mythbuntu do not have config.xml files.

[16:04:57]

RDV_Linux:

Thanks for your help

[16:05:03]

wagnerrp:

they have to have a config.xml

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will not work without one

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wagnerrp:

if it doesnt have one, it will write it

[16:05:23]

RDV_Linux:

There were two of these errors reported with identical trace backs

[16:05:54]

wagnerrp:

well then theyre running JAMU in an environment without the proper 'MYTHCONFDIR' set

[16:06:22]

RDV_Linux:

A possibility, I will pass that on.

[16:06:33]

wagnerrp:

that was probably the reason for the half-dozen folders the old bindings searched through for the mysql.txt

[16:07:01]

wagnerrp:

a work around for people's broken systems

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RDV_Linux:

thanks again

[16:07:34]

wagnerrp:

just have them symlink their ~/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv or whatever

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wagnerrp:

i was suggested by sphery to just use those, since thats where mythtv pulls from

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wagnerrp:

we might want to rethink that if this is going to become a problem

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: no, it has to have found the XML file, and read the XML file

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wagnerrp:

because one of those values is an unprintable instance

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wagnerrp:

'None' prints just fine

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wagnerrp:

it got far enough to try to connect to the database with the data it had

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RDV_Linux:

Any more suggestions on how a user fixes the issue?

[16:13:39]

wagnerrp:

and failed for the same reason that the error failed

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wagnerrp:

we need to see the actual config.xml

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wagnerrp:

ive got to go... pick my sister up from a flat tire

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RDV_Linux:

I will pass that on

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tyce:

.

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GThang:

Can someone answer a simple(?) question about UPnP in MythTV? ... "Can it transmit live video via UPnP?" :)

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iamlindoro:

no

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GThang:

'k :(

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matey:

is there a quick way to delete all the useless channels?

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iamlindoro:

drop database mythconverg;

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iamlindoro:

in trunk, you can delete many channels quickly from mythweb, or in the channel editor by highlighting a channel and pressing "d" in the channel editor in mythtv-setup... the latter should work in .21 also

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matey:

it prompts me to confirm

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matey:

takes ages

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iamlindoro:

so.... do so?

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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matey:

its like 5000 channels

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jduggan_:

oh ubuntu trunk builds how thee fail me

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iamlindoro:

Where does one get 5000 channels?

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matey:

sattelite tv

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iamlindoro:

oh well, best of luck then

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matey:

i wouldnt mind spending a few hours or even days deleting the crap, but they add and move channels almost every day

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jduggan_:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/399192 <- is this still ongoing? im up to 22179 and still seeing duplicates in mythweb upcoming

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darkdrgn2k:

Hey guys, im trying to figure out the best encoding format to convert my iso dvds (way to many of them and not enough space) so im doing MKV h264

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darkdrgn2k:

tried avg bitrates of 1800 and 2000, compaired to the original they seem to be wased out a little

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darkdrgn2k:

(black is not black but slightly brigter)

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darkdrgn2k:

and it seems that the 2000 bitrate is more washed out then the 1800

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darkdrgn2k:

is constant Bitrate better then AVG bitrate?

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brad2:

hey guys, is anyone having audio problems on the latest version of trunk? playback of HDpvr recordings no longer have sound for me

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tzanger:

good morning

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tzanger:

quick question: if I have high-def content on the backend but one of my frontends is standard-def only (say NTSC svideo out) — is it computationally expensive for the frontend to transcode? i.e. do i need a beefy front-end to handle playing the content on a regular shitty tv?

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tzanger:

I know the backend won't do it for the front-end but I am not aware of how computationally expensive it is to do the conversion

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tank-man:

wouldnt the video on the frontend be reduced in size? no trascoding needed

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brad2:

anyone recognize this error message "[aac @ 0x6135d40]channel element 1.0 is not allocated

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brad2:

" ?

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Dagmar:

Of course not

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Dagmar:

Have you Googled it?

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Dagmar:

tzanger: It's not worth worrying about. Displaying HD on an SD display is _less_ work than displaying it on an HD display.

[17:16:39]

Dagmar:

If the thing can play HD at all, it's not going to be a problem.

[17:18:55]

tzanger:

Dagmar: the frontend is relatively weak CPU; I'm not really asking it to display HD, but it's got to interpret the HD content in order to pick out enough pixels to display SD

[17:20:54]

brad2:

hi dag: i googled it but didn't find anything, for some reason on the newest version of trunk, my box doesn't like HDPVR audio anymore

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brad2:

it's odd

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brad2:

i'm sure it's me doing something wrong, just not sure what :)

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darkdrgn2k:

ok guys quick question

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Dagmar:

tzanger: Then you get to fall back on what we've been saying on the wiki and the mailing list and in here. 2.6Ghz core *minimum*

[17:24:48]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you'd better have support for hardware accelleration

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tzanger:

Dagmar: okay, that's what I was wondering

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darkdrgn2k:

when i do AC3 pass thruogh to my receiver, sometimes it takes a few seconds for it to pick up that it's a digital signal going out, and it tries to play it as PCM (loud pulsating static). Then from time to time the audio cuts out for a split second (the digital light disapears from the receiver for that brief moment). It doesnt alway happen at the same time (retryig to play the recording few times if its really bad may r

[17:25:00]

darkdrgn2k:

any ideas

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Dagmar:

brad2: You fail at Google then. I found lots of things

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tzanger:

the frontend needs to be able to handle HD content, even if displaying it SD

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darkdrgn2k:

my setup: CPU ---[HDMI]-- Tv ----[Optical]---- receiver

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RDV_Linux:

brad2: I am using the latest version of trunk and HDPVR recordings have sound for me.

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jst_home:

same here

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Dagmar:

brad2: Only thing I can figure is that didn't maintain the same build method as the last time and you now either have a broken aac decoding library, or possibly you didn't get myth linked to it this time around

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abqjp:

Based on that error, brad2 still has his setup using AAC audio instead of AC3. I have not tried AAC audio in almost a year.

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brad2:

dagmar: thanks i will try that

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brad2:

abqjp: where in the settings do you switch over?

[17:30:57]

Heliwr:

hello, anyone here have experience with failed db schema upgrades?

[17:31:24]

Dagmar:

You get to restore your last backup of the database.

[17:31:35]

Dagmar:

Since you didn't make it, you might want to hope Myth made one

[17:31:46]

Dagmar:

If it didn't, then you get to erase the database and start oevr.

[17:31:59]

Heliwr:

I have, but myth 0.22 won't work with db schema 1214

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Dagmar:

I am, of course, assuming that the thing does not work anymore due to the failed database change, or you wouldn't even be asking about it

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Heliwr:

I have tried letting both mythtv-setup and mythbackend so the upgrade, and both run fine until db schema 1230 and fail

[17:33:50]

Heliwr:

is there a list of the db schema changes? I could try to manually do the 1230 -> 1231 step and let mythbackend take over from there

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Dagmar:

It'll show up in the log if you turn logging detail up a bit hint hint

[17:36:25]

Dagmar:

Why do you think _manually_ doing it will make a lick of difference?

[17:36:33]

Dagmar:

It's not like MythTV can typo.

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Heliwr:

oh, I know why this particular step failed – it tries adding a duplicate column default_authority to table channelscan_dtv_multiplex

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar has a point, its probably a relationship failure, or data already in the database not quite correct

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darkdrgn2k:

Heliwr: remove the coloumn and try again? (assuming you dont NEED the info in the coloumn)

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Heliwr:

I drop the table and restart backend but the upgrade still fails and backend shuts down

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Heliwr:

sorry, drop the column

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darkdrgn2k:

you cant just do that LOL you gatta restore the backup first :-P

[17:38:14]

Dagmar:

I didn't say this, but if the database is in the state it should be in _after_ the failed step in the upgrade, incrememnt the schema number manually

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Dagmar:

You will defintiely want to restore the backup tho

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Heliwr:

I could try that, but I don't know that the added column is the only thing intended for 1230 -> 1231

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Dagmar:

Cuz _now_ what happens might be more intersting than you want

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: ooooo thats a resky proposition...

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darkdrgn2k:

kinda like when mythbusters take the safly of stuff.. and then see what happens :-P

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Heliwr:

I'll try restoring again and dropping the column from the fresh restore

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darkdrgn2k:

saftey even (i need new batteries :( )

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Heliwr:

no go, that column doesn't yet exist in 1214

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: It "should" be "safe", "in theory", "if and only if" the database is actually already in the state the next issued change would expect

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Heliwr:

how would I manually increment the db schema?

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darkdrgn2k:

Heliwr: if you wanan play dangerous... backup your database, create a new one, update it, then re-import the data from the old one (good luck)

[17:44:12]

Heliwr:

I don't really want to play dangerous, if anyone has any safer suggestions I would love to try them out – but my system is unusable at the moment as myth 0.22 won't stay running with db schema 1214

[17:44:14]

Dagmar:

Well, you can pick and choose which data to reimport as if you were migrating to a new fronend/backend

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Dagmar:

That's documented on the wiki as to which tables

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Dagmar:

I think I'm done with IPv6 talk for the day

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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Greek-Boy:

Is it ok for MythVideo to use a secondary back-end for storage?

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Greek-Boy:

and then configure front-ends to list movies from both back-ends

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antgel:

hi all. i last built a myth box a few years ago, now i want to build a couple more for my parents. when i built mine, nvidia video with their binary drivers was considered the "best" option (don't remember why). is radeon now viable or is nvidia still better for this application?

[17:56:04]

antgel:

(i'm struggling to find a motherboard with hdmi and nvidia both onboard)

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Dagmar:

You still want nVidia.

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Dagmar:

In particular, you want something like an 8400.;

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Dagmar:

The key thing being you need support for VDPAU now (forget XvMC unless you're only going to be playing back SD MPEG forever)

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antgel:

ah yes, XvMC – that was it

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Dagmar:

Yeah, none of the newer cards support accelleration through that mechanism

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Dagmar:

This will tell you *most* of what's what http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidia_Cards

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antgel:

okay well that's good info, thanks. i hope to find something with onboard support for this

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Dagmar:

Tehre's boards with 8400 chipsets onboard

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Dagmar:

newegg. If nothing else, use it for it's search engine

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antgel:

\o/

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antgel:

it seems that the 8200/8300 is the onboard version of the 8400 – just trying to find out exactly what the differences are

[18:08:21]

Dagmar:

They're the cut-rate chipsets

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** Heffalump is trying to find a replacement motherboard for one that died and is completely at sea :-( I'm probably going to have to replace the CPU+RAM with it (since the old ones were Pentium-M/DDR) so I just need to find something quiet. **

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Dagmar:

They won't do VC-1, which shoudlnt' really be a problem unless you get a Bluray drive AND hell freezesover

[18:09:26]

Dagmar:

You will not be playing bluray disc under Linux anytime soon.

[18:10:04]

Dagmar:

Not as long as patent attorneys are allowed to roam the earth's surface freely.

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antgel:

bluray is not on their (or my) radar :)

[18:12:37]

antgel:

i think this looks like a juicy option: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160925

[18:13:25]

darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: do people really use VDPAU

[18:13:25]

Dagmar:

Should work fine

[18:13:30]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k; Yes

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darkdrgn2k:

like is it a GOOD option

[18:13:45]

darkdrgn2k:

i was told "screw vdpau and invest in a decent cpu instead)

[18:13:49]

Dagmar:

It's a _buggy_ option, but it's also the ONLY option for some people

[18:14:07]

Dagmar:

...because they aren't willing to shell out for a 4Ghz core machine

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darkdrgn2k:

how bout a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+

[18:14:46]

Dagmar:

Should I care?

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darkdrgn2k:

no

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Dagmar:

I don't have any h.264 content I can't play

[18:14:54]

darkdrgn2k:

i do cause that what i have :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

ooo.. :-P ok

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darkdrgn2k:

what you runnin?

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antgel:

Dagmar: thanks a lot for your help, i'll be back in the coming days most probably :)

[18:15:40]

Dagmar:

I mean, basically dude, it seems to me like you're arguing that people should't try to use an inexpensive and more efficient solution to a specific type of computational problem.

[18:15:54]

Dagmar:

...simply on the basis of it's not perfected yet.

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darkdrgn2k:

actually im not arguing,, just asking..

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Dagmar:

Okay, my mistake then

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darkdrgn2k:

the argument i was given is by the them vpau is perfected

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antgel:

when you say buggy, how buggy is it? i was going to build around 0.21-fixes with the VDPAU patch

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Dagmar:

It's a bit buggy still, but it's going to be a much better solution in the long run

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darkdrgn2k:

processors will be so cheap it will be like XVMC

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Dagmar:

cheap is one thing... not making a lot of heat, which leads to cooling requirements, etc etc is another

[18:17:17]

darkdrgn2k:

hmmm very good point...

[18:17:26]

Dagmar:

...and when you're talking about a box that'll probably be running 24/7 or close to it, $50 can get sucked up REAL quick

[18:17:45]

Dagmar:

My new box managed to actually pay for itself. Well, "new"

[18:18:00]

darkdrgn2k:

hmmm wierd...

[18:18:18]

darkdrgn2k:

im only up to like 200kWh over 5 months..

[18:18:37]

Dagmar:

Juice must be cheaper there than it is here

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Dagmar:

I'm shelling out close to $130/month at peak times

[18:19:08]

darkdrgn2k:

well i havent seen my hydro bill yet

[18:19:10]

Dagmar:

...but then I have a LOT of shit running

[18:19:15]

darkdrgn2k:

(dam billing department screwd up..)

[18:19:16]

mtrelins:

hi guys, i am having the jittery video problem but when i pause live tv it goes away, any idea how to fix?

[18:19:20]

darkdrgn2k:

so ill get a big one since may..

[18:19:25]

mtrelins:

searched google, found no real fixes

[18:19:28]

mtrelins:

cpu usage is low

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darkdrgn2k:

but i put one of those "kill a wat" clones on it...

[18:19:50]

Dagmar:

They need to make those cheaper

[18:19:52]

darkdrgn2k:

and itcounts like 230kwh for the whole entertainment unit (LCD TV, sorround sound and myth box)

[18:19:55]

Dagmar:

I want like four of them

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mtrelins:

has anyone fixed the jittery video problem or at least narrowed it down? my backend is a phenom x3 2500 with sata raid, very low utilization (5% or so while recording/watching tv), my frontend is an amd 64 x2 3ghz, also low cpu utilization

[18:21:57]

darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: then again i dont play any 243 content... :-P yet

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vhann:

Is the FM input on a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 only used to connect a remote ?

[18:27:55]

Dagmar:

Uhhh no?

[18:28:08]

Dagmar:

...mainly because it can't be used for that.

[18:28:19]

vhann:

Dagmar: Ok, what is it used for?

[18:28:19]

Dagmar:

You plug in the FM antenna there.

[18:28:33]

Dagmar:

I would have thought something, like maybe the documentation, would have hinted at that.

[18:28:49]

Dagmar:

...or maybe the little antenna icon engraved into the backplace next to the socket.

[18:28:53]

mtrelins:

does anyone use a hauppauge wintv hvr 1600? what native resolutions does it encode well and work with mythtv?

[18:28:59]

Dagmar:

s/backplace/backplate/;

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vhann:

Dagmar: Where can I find that documentation, I only find quick install guides on Hauppauge website

[18:29:36]

vhann:

Dagmar: Also, the backplate only reads 'FM input' next to the socket

[18:29:46]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, I'm pretty sure that doesn't say "Shove whatever will fit into the holes. It'll work for sure!"

[18:30:07]

Dagmar:

There's a degree to which you're expected to know your ass from a hole in the ground, man.

[18:30:19]

Dagmar:

Crass that sounds I know, but at least it's honest.

[18:30:24]

vhann:

Dagmar: I never said so either, I'm trying to figure out what it is used for

[18:31:07]

vhann:

Dagmar: From what you tell me, I understand it is used for Over-The-Air capture is it?

[18:31:26]

Dagmar:

It's used for FM _radio_

[18:32:02]

Dagmar:

NTSC broadcast uses the exact same mechanism as bog-standard FM radio to transmit it's audio.

[18:32:41]

Dagmar:

So, it's basically a no-brainer for NTSC tuner card makers... They add a circuit for a loop antenna of a given size, flip a few bits here and there, and the card can pick up TV and radio both.

[18:33:01]

Dagmar:

Note: Radio will only work on the first tuner, and myth doesn't support it yet since it kinda requires video that the FM tuner won't be providing

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Dagmar:

...it also keeps you from using the first tuner for watching TV while you listen to the radio.

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vhann:

Dagmar: Ah ok, I kinda understand now, thanks a lot

[18:33:26]

Dagmar:

...for reasons that will become obvious if you think about it a little

[18:33:53]

Dagmar:

I was about to start doing something to make that work, but then, I live in Nashville.

[18:33:58]

Dagmar:

Music City USA my white ass

[18:34:08]

Dagmar:

Clearchannel has destroyed all the utility in radio

[18:34:36]

vhann:

Dagmar: If I understand you correctly, the difference between Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 and PVR 150 is only a FM radio tuner, right?

[18:34:47]

mtrelins:

dagmar, do you know of any solutions to the 2009-10–03 15:51:37.833 NVP: prebuffering pause

[18:34:48]

mtrelins:

2009-10–03 15:51:37.912 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: still around?

[18:35:02]

Dagmar:

Here there is country, country, oldies, country, country, and more country, a "classic rock" station, and a college radio station

[18:35:15]

mtrelins:

i get those and my myth servers are fine barely breaking double digit usage

[18:35:15]

Dagmar:

mtrelins: Ignoring it works well for me

[18:35:30]

mtrelins:

you get those too?

[18:35:43]

Dagmar:

mtrelins: Not everything you see in the logs means anything useful. Some of it's JUST basically the program chattering about things that don't affect anything

[18:35:53]

mtrelins:

those do affect things

[18:35:57]

mtrelins:

when the video stutters/jitters

[18:36:01]

mtrelins:

the log file shows that

[18:36:12]

Dagmar:

The only thing that's a _bad_ effect that sometimes accompanies it is documented on the wiki, i.e., turning on aggressive audio buffering

[18:36:22]

mtrelins:

if i pause live tv for a few seconds, it stops

[18:36:25]

mtrelins:

i did that

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mtrelins:

my cpus are not locked up

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Dagmar:

Then you're done. It's time to figure out why your machine can't keep up, or buy a new one

[18:36:46]

mtrelins:

lol i just bought them dude

[18:36:49]

Dagmar:

So what

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mtrelins:

4gb ram in the myth server, 3 cores 2500+

[18:37:18]

mtrelins:

100mb switch to the amd64 3ghz machine with 2gb ram

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mtrelins:

all sata

[18:37:21]

Dagmar:

I can go buy a set of tires, but that doesn't mean I should drive them on the loop at the local speedway or go off-roading with them

[18:37:27]

mtrelins:

that should be ok for 480x480

[18:37:31]

wagnerrp:

there is no triple core processor rated on that 'AMD-PR' scale

[18:37:40]

mtrelins:

look at the pheoms

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Dagmar:

Ah then you don't have any problems. Glad we could be of help.

[18:37:42]

mtrelins:

phenoms

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mtrelins:

all the stuff on the wiki was for "if your cpu is maxed out"

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mtrelins:

but i'm looking at "top" on both machines

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Dagmar:

Lies.

[18:38:23]

mtrelins:

and the usage is low

[18:38:46]

Dagmar:

There's a whole long page of things to try, and only 2–3 of them address pegged CPU usage

[18:39:00]

mtrelins:

is there a way to make myth force a wait of like 2 seconds on a change of channels?

[18:39:00]

wagnerrp:

mtrelins: do you mean theyre '2.5GHz'?

[18:39:03]

Dagmar:

I have edited the section about networking issues _recently_

[18:39:11]

wagnerrp:

because 2.5GHz and 2500+ are two completely different things

[18:40:03]

Dagmar:

Notably, 2500+ probably isn't playing single-sliced h264 1080

[18:40:12]

brad2:

okay i think i may have tracked down my program.. the mythtv executable for some reason isn't getting updated (it's still from a month ago), while all the other ones (mythbackend, etc.) are from today

[18:40:18]

mtrelins:

[ 0.252844] CPU0: AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor stepping 02

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mtrelins:

[ 0.340648] CPU1: AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor stepping 02

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mtrelins:

[ 0.432590] CPU2: AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor stepping 02

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brad2:

now i just gotta figure out why it isn't getting updated :)

[18:40:29]

mtrelins:

seems to be triple core 2.6ghz

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darkdrgn2k:

my single core 5200+ didnt play h264 :-P

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: a 2.5GHz AMD isnt going to be playing full bitrate HDPVR either

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Dagmar:

brad2: I blame the administrator

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brad2:

dagmar: i do to

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brad2:

:)

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brad2:

doesn't stop me from trying to fix my problem and get better though

[18:41:11]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Actually, it should

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: do you actually care what the resulting file size is?

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Dagmar:

brad2: Lemme guess. You're using `make install`

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brad2:

yes

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adac:

Was wondering if this device http://www.amazon.de/Western-Digital-TV®- . . . b_pc_title_0 could act as a thin client. So boot from the mythtv server...

[18:41:56]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: ???

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: the new architectures can manage 13.5mbps per core?

[18:42:11]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It's taken a LOT of beating on to make happen, but I've managed to get files that should have been equivalent to that playing on this 2600+ with a 2.4Ghz core

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wagnerrp:

last i checked my 2GHz 939 couldnt manage more than ~8mbps

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Dagmar:

Either that or I was misled about what comes out of the HD-PVRs

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wagnerrp:

but that was several generations ago

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brad2:

dagmar: i do a make distclean;./configure;qmake;make;make install should i go a different route?

[18:43:04]

Dagmar:

s/2600+/4600+/;

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: youre ripping DVDs to h264, and wondering what bitrate you should be running as

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mtrelins:

oh i would like to say that if i watch these in Watch Recordings, they don't skip, even the ones that skipped during LiveTV

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[R]:

adac: you would have to talk to WD about that...

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wagnerrp:

do you actually care what the resulting file size is?

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Dagmar:

brad2: Yes. At the last step, take a slight detour. mkdir /tmp/foo && make DESTDIR=/tmp/foo install && cd /tmp/foo && tar -cf packagename.tar .

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Dagmar:

er ../packagename.tar . (although it won't put the tar in itself, it's smarter than that)

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adac:

[R] do they have an irc channel? ;)

[18:44:07]

[R]:

adac: lol

[18:44:42]

adac:

[R], I just fell in love with that device.... :)

[18:44:51]

Dagmar:

brad2: That way you get all the files in a tidy little ball, and you will be able to see what's going where, make a list of which things to remove to cleanly get them back OUT, as well as just untar that in / to drop them into the live fs

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: because if you dont care about maintaining file size

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[R]:

adac: why... its most likely a proprietary piece of crap

[18:45:12]

brad2:

dagmar: got it, thanks for the advice, i will give that a try

[18:45:14]

wagnerrp:

just set the quantizer to 20 or so, run it single pass, and be done with it

[18:45:14]

Dagmar:

brad2: Or if you don't like that mess, figure out how your distro's package manager works. Way easier way to eliminate that issue

[18:46:02]

adac:

[R], but it is tiny cheap and able to run linux oh and it plys full hd

[18:46:05]

adac:

*plays

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[R]:

adac: its able to run linux?

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[R]:

adac: define "full hd"

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Dagmar:

mtrelins: If your machine skips during LiveTV but not when it's just playing back then the issue is obvious. Your hardware can't keep up.

[18:46:29]

adac:

1080p

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mtrelins:

what's a good bitrate for dvd quality?

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[R]:

adac: and how does it accomplish that?

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Dagmar:

mtrelins: You need to make sure your machine isn't somehow using the wrong SATA driver or something

[18:47:15]

mtrelins:

which machine, the recording machine or the viewing machine?

[18:47:20]

adac:

[R], good question

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mtrelins:

if i watch them as a recording

[18:47:33]

mtrelins:

then they are fine

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mtrelins:

but livetv can't handle it

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Dagmar:

mtrelins: Being that you've told us nothing about your setup other than "IT R NOT WORKING HALP" it's anyone's guess

[18:48:07]

[R]:

adac: well if you cn boot linux on it, and you can load up drivers for a usb network adapter... you can do wahtever you want to it

[18:48:24]

mtrelins:

mythtv-backend: amd phenom x3 (yes, three cores), 2.6ghz

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Dagmar:

For all I know you've got your tuner in the frontend going, streaming data to the backend remotely, which then streams it back to the frontend over cat 3 cable you found in a dumpster and a ten dollar "switch"

[18:48:57]

mtrelins:

encoder cards: hauppauge 1600 (2)

[18:49:34]

Dagmar:

Here's an idea. Move everything to one machine, then get it working, THEN try putting together a remote frontend

[18:49:35]

mtrelins:

ram: 4gb, raid 1 wd 1tb sata drives, using the mobo raid

[18:49:43]

joakim:

hi all how do I kill a remote tv viewing , the fuse went in one of the kids rooms and now it still looks one of the recivers..?

[18:49:50]

mtrelins:

ok

[18:49:54]

mtrelins:

good idea

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mtrelins:

thanks

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Traveler7:

hello

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wagnerrp:

mtrelins: what codec?

[18:50:27]

mtrelins:

mpeg-2 hardware encoder

[18:50:29]

Gumby:

what tuner would you guys recommend for analog cable

[18:50:38]

Dagmar:

joakim: Ugly this might be, but if there's nothing being _recorded_ right now, just restart the backend

[18:50:52]

Traveler7:

I have mythtv installed ona new installation of debian lenny with a card asuss saa7134, and I have problems with sound in recorded programe, in live view is ok

[18:50:57]

wagnerrp:

mtrelins: id advise running somewhere around 6mbps-8mbps on those

[18:50:59]

Dagmar:

joakim: iirc there's still an issue with frontends "going away" and the backend having no idea of knowing

[18:51:01]

Traveler7:

in the logs appears ...2009-10–04 19:50:57.263 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor

[18:51:02]

adac:

[R], you are right. Guess I need to buy it and try it out

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mtrelins:

ok

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Traveler7:

2009-10–04 19:50:58.003 SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates.

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Dagmar:

joakim: Considering that generally it ceases to be an issue when that frontend comes back up...

[18:51:28]

Traveler7:

2009-10–04 19:50:58.103 NVR(/dev/video1) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 32000kHz/16bits/2channel

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Traveler7:

2009-10–04 19:50:58.104 NVR(/dev/video1) Error: Could not detect audio blocksize

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mtrelins:

stupid question but with my jerky playback on live tv (without pausing) ... could bitrate be a factor?

[18:51:44]

Traveler7:

2009-10–04 19:50:58.133 NVR(/dev/video1) Error: /dev/null: error setting audio input device to 32000 kHz/16 bits/2 channel

[18:51:54]

Dagmar:

Traveler7: So go back into the setup menus and put the audio back to 44.1/48k

[18:52:06]

Traveler7:

I have searched this errors on google but I can't find information about this error

[18:52:15]

Dagmar:

It's in plain English.

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laga:

plain wat?

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Dagmar:

laga: Exactly.

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Traveler7:

where I have to change this configuration

[18:53:22]

Traveler7:

?

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Dagmar:

Traveler7: You have a framegrabber card for capture, right?

[18:53:51]

adac:

[R], But I may wait for the next version which should be out soon. It has network connection, so I wouldn't have to struggle with USB to LAN

[18:54:11]

Heliwr:

I found a listing of all the sphew, finally got the db schema up to 1244 with a lot of manual tweaking in mysql – I found the list of sql commands for each schema version if anyone is interested

[18:54:18]

Dagmar:

That first line you pasted is talking about the _input_ device, i.e., the thing that's trying to record your audio.

[18:54:35]

mtrelins:

dagmar: what else could i possibly tell you about my systems? they are on a 100mbit switch

[18:54:36]

Heliwr:

wow, sorry for the sentence structure fail

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[R]:

adac: it would just be a better solution to get something a little less propreitary

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Dagmar:

When you set it up in mythtv-setup, you told it to record at 32k and it _can't_

[18:55:28]

Dagmar:

Traveler7: ...probably the chipset on your sound card that you're trying to record with can only record at either 48k or 44.1k. Try 48k first

[18:55:46]

joakim:

Dagmar, i tried to start up the fromt (damn DiNivo Mini I cant typ properly) end again but it didnt help :( hmm.... guess I have to re start later tonight then ... thanks for the tip :)

[18:55:53]

Dagmar:

You will not be saving any *reasonable* amount of disk space

[18:55:54]

adac:

[R], Yeah I see. But for a thin client (I want to boot from mythv server) the price is just awesome

[18:56:50]

Dagmar:

joakim: Bummer. Well, it's at least really easy to restart the backend. If nothing's being recorded, just login there, kill the backend process and restart it (or use the init script)

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joakim:

Dagmar, I know its not hard but I have some recording going right now and was hoping to see some tv at the same time, Iá¸¿ using the novo T-500 card by the way and its very good if you ask me :)

[18:59:52]

[R]:

adac: i doubt you'll be abel to get myth compiled for it

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Dagmar:

joakim: Cool. I remember when those cards were only barely functional

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Traveler7:

With 48 the error persists, dagmar, what is framegrabber? How can i know if I have this?

[19:01:47]

adac:

[R], yeah probably true

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Dagmar:

I will never understand why people insist on buying a device that was manufacturer by a company that's going to spend as little money as possible on it, and then try to replace it's software with somethuing unoptimized and expect it to still work

[19:03:00]

Dagmar:

Oh yeah, probably for the same reason they'll ask on IRC before they'll do any Googling

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laga:

Dagmar: people get what they pay for :)

[19:03:53]

joakim:

Dagmar, besides from now and the few times I have had to restart when the PC and card is warm (it doesnt start correctly then) it has worked perfect (running mythbuntu 9.04))

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adac:

Dagmar, Well I ggogled a lot couldn't find anything, so I asked here. what is the big deal?

[19:04:45]

Dagmar:

adac: That you should probably know better than to expect it'll work

[19:05:38]

adac:

Dagmar, Well that is what I'm trying to achieve ;)

[19:06:19]

Dagmar:

So Google first

[19:06:51]

adac:

Dagmar, I did.

[19:07:05]

Dagmar:

Besides which, if it WORKS why screw with it

[19:08:44]

mtrelins:

2009-10–04 12:07:40.340 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

[19:08:52]

mtrelins:

can i enable that but still run myth as the same user?

[19:10:53]

adac:

Dagmar, why use mythtv when Tivo works...:P

[19:10:58]

Traveler7:

I have tried with 44.1 and 48

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Traveler7:

and the error is the same

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Traveler7:

SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. // 2009-10–04 21:10:01.516 NVR(/dev/video1) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 32000kHz/16bits/2channel //

[19:11:42]

joakim:

Dagmar, thanks for the help

[19:11:45]

Dagmar:

Traveler7: You need to actually tell it which device to record from CORRECTLY

[19:11:46]

Traveler7:

In capturers appears in sounde device none, and in video device /dev/vbi1, It is correct, Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

What type of tuner card do you actually have?

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Traveler7:

sorry dagmar, What I have to do?

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Traveler7:

is is an asus saa7134 analogic card

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Dagmar:

We're just going to ignore for the moment that you thought it would record some audio when you told it there was no audio recording device

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Traveler7:

?

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Dagmar:

You should start by reading the MythTV installation documentation that talks about connecting the little cable between your framegrabber and sound card and says explicitly how to configure your sound card to handle recording the audio.

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Traveler7:

when I try to view and listen tv online it is all correct

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Traveler7:

but when I record a program image is correcte but tehre isn't audio and appears last 3 errors

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Traveler7:

sound cable is connecte to motherboard

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Dagmar:

So you seriously don't see a problem with telling it to record audio from /dev/null

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mtrelins:

he should change his audio device

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mtrelins:

lol

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mtrelins:

configs man

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Traveler7:

in captue card in device sound I can't change there isn't any avaialbe sound option, only no sound

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Traveler7:

in this machine actually I have mythubuntu working correctly but I 'm tryyin to install on a new hard disk with debian lenny

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Traveler7:

and the problems is with soundonly, but I don't know what can I do

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Traveler7:

Any idea?

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mtrelins:

are you able to play sound on that computer?

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Traveler7:

yes

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Traveler7:

and live tv online without record works correct

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Traveler7:

I don't understand because in capture, in sounde device appear no soudne device

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Traveler7:

in mythubuntu confiugration appears /dev/dsp, it is normal?

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vhann:

Is there a way to delete only 1 capture card in mythtv-setup ?

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Dagmar:

vhann: If you didn't find one, then it doesn't exist

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matey:

vhann: try to press "d"

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vhann:

matey: Thanks, it worked :)

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matey:

i got that information in here like 3h ago :)

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Dagmar:

Traveler7: You need to read the installation documentation

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Dagmar:

I'm just not even bothering with mythbuntu users who didn't read any documentation, ever again

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Traveler7:

I have solved SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates this error

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Traveler7:

but other three I cant' solve

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Traveler7:

I have read information but I'm not sure if the probloem is in capture option of myth-setup

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Traveler7:

it is correct htat sound device appear none

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Traveler7:

?

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vhann:

Can someone explain me what a 'tuner' is on the Hauppauge PVR 500 ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500h . . . auge_PVR-500 )? Seems like it is different from a socket?

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Dagmar:

It's a tuner.

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Dagmar:

It's got it's own special fancy entry in the tuner card type drop down wot talks about x50/150 MPEG cards

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Dagmar:

Since that's a dual tuner model, you tell it you have two of them.

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Dagmar:

Nothing much to it.

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Dagmar:

That card is literally two sets of PVR-150 electronics and one PCI bridge on a single PCI card.

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ikkeT:

out of quriosity since this is in mythtv frontwebpage... what benefit would sched direct bring to scandinavian users who get listings free from xmltv and ota? not flaming here...

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ikkeT:

just qurious

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Dagmar:

ikkeT: Well, you could probably fap to listings of US broadcasters if you really, really wanted to

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Dagmar:

Just don't tell us about it if you do

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ikkeT:

fap?

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Dagmar:

Hmmm...

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Dagmar:

I dunno if I should recommend Googling _that_ word or not

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vhann:

Dagmar: Ok, so basically I could be recording from a VCR with the coax input and recording from my Bell PVR with S-Video at the same time, right?

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Dagmar:

It's slang for "spanking the monkey"

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ikkeT:

:)

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Dagmar:

vhann: So long as you don't try to do both on the same set of inputs

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Dagmar:

ikkeT: There's nothing really that SD is going to do for you outside of the US

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Dagmar:

vhann: If you don't see two s-video inputs on the back of your machine, you're missing a little backplate piece with some molex connectors that give you the second set of non-RF inputs

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Dagmar:

A lot of people wind up with refurbs that are missing that extra piece

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Dagmar:

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/getpartsonline_2075_209468079 <-- like this

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mtrelins:

what does this mean?

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mtrelins:

2009-10–04 12:33:36.894 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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ikkeT:

Dagmar, thanks, thats how it was at the beginning, just wondered if something had changed. they had a vote on the web page for us non-us people

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Dagmar:

With just that alone, you have an FM tuner input for radio (which works on the first tuner only), the coax connector for cable TV (which goes to both tuners), ONE s-video input, and ONE composite/L/R input

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ikkeT:

haven't reallly followed that.

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vhann:

Dagmar: Is the link you provided of the card MISSING something or of the full card? Because I think mine is exactly like in your link

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vhann:

Dagmar: Oh sorry, hadn't read your last reply before replying myself

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Dagmar:

Yeah I'm looking for a pic of the other piece

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Dagmar:

If I were home I'd just snap a pic of mine

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Traveler7:

solved, i ndebian lenny you have to install oss-compat and then appears /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1

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Dagmar:

Ah here http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 0White%20box

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Dagmar:

Damn I hate their URLs

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Traveler7:

I have tried sound appears but is not correct it seems that has high speed for example 2x

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Dagmar:

Anyway, if you punch PVR-500 into NewEgg they have a picture of the thing you need if you want to use the second tuner for any non-RF video input

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Traveler7:

any idea?

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Dagmar:

Somewhat obviously, it's not all that hard to make your own

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_ben:

How do people handle mythfilldatabase on a backend that isn't on constantly?

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vhann:

Dagmar: Hum, thanks but seems like this is not my problem then: In mythtv-setup, I get /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 in combo boxes...

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Dagmar:

Erratically?

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[R]:

_ben: myth hanldes it fine by itself

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Dagmar:

vhann: Whta's not your problem?

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_ben:

[R]: even tho you specify a time the backend runs it?

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[R]:

_ben: i have ti set to use the time specified by the grabber... but it always seems to run after the fact when i turn the computer on

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Dagmar:

vhann: That's basically what you *should* see. One for each tuner device

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_ben:

ah cool

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wagnerrp:

_ben: your xmltv provider may tell mythbackend when it should next run mythfilldatabase

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vhann:

Dagmar: Well, I can record VCR from coax (view it in liveTV) but don't see my Bell PVR output from S-Video (I use /dev/video1 for both)

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, you have to run it on cron

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Dagmar:

vhann: This is because video1 is the SECOND tuner

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vhann:

Dagmar: And S-Video can only work with 1st tuner?

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Dagmar:

I thought we just covered how you can't use non-RF inputs on the second tuner without that little daughter backplate.

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wagnerrp:

vhann: do you have a cardinput set up to use the s-video input? or are you still trying to tune on the tuner?

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Dagmar:

wqagnerrp: He's flat out trying to tune on the wrong tuner

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wagnerrp:

when you set up card inputs on step 4 in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

it should have listed multiple inputs for each analog card

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wagnerrp:

one tuner, and one or more video inputs

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Dagmar:

S-video will work on both tuners, IF YOU HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL HARDWARE

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vhann:

Dagmar: Sorry, English is not my main language (so I take it's a PEBKAC case here :p )

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Dagmar:

The coax input will work regardless for either tuner because it's split internally.

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Dagmar:

vhann: no problem then

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Dagmar:

vhanne: You need the little teeny extra card if you want to use tuner1 for composite or s-video

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Dagmar:

The s-video and composite inputs that are directly on the card only go to tuner0

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vhann:

Dagmar: In fact, I just want it to work (the goal here is to re encode VHS to DVD and the same for the Bell PVR)

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wagnerrp:

no, they go to encoder0

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Dagmar:

Okay so tell it to record from s-video on tuner0 then

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vhann:

Dagmar: Thanks, I'm to try using tuner0 for both

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wagnerrp:

on the PVR cards, you have a tuner, two svideo inputs, and two composite inputs, all switched into one encoder

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wagnerrp:

(on the 500, thats all duplicated)

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Dagmar:

You're being picky about nomenclature when the non-native english speaker already "gets it"

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: im trying to be specific about nomenclature because of that

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_ben:

Also, I get this with the grabber, "Failed to fetch icon from 'http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.da . . . e.jpg'"

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_ben:

clearly a broken URL. where does this config live?

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Dagmar:

Well then let's just call it "video0" and be done with it

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Dagmar:

...because you should have scrolled up to see that he was plugging the s-video into the first input, and trying to record on the second.

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Dagmar:

Very irksome that places sell the thing without even mentioning there might be a daughter card missing

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vhann:

YES! It works, thank you so much Dagmar (and wagnerrp for precisions :p )

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wagnerrp:

i guess the daughter card gives you access to the second set of inputs on an encoder?

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wagnerrp:

since the PVR cards list four video inputs, but only have two on the back port?

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Dagmar:

It gives you *connections* for the second set of non-RF inputs

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wagnerrp:

i know my 150s still have that header on them

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Dagmar:

Hold up. I find you pix

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wagnerrp:

ive see it, i know what it looks like

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Dagmar:

It's a pvr-500

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wagnerrp:

but in mythtv-setup, it detects a tuner, and four video inputs for my 150

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wagnerrp:

while there are only two video inputs on the back

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Dagmar:

It detects two 150's

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wagnerrp:

i presume the other two are accessible through the header

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Assuming this URL is pasteable... http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 0White%20box

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Dagmar:

You won't be using composite or s-video on /dev/video1 without that bit

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Traveler7:

solved

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean on my backend, with one 150, /dev/video0 lists two svideo inputs, and two composite inputs

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Traveler7:

I have Change 48k to 32

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Traveler7:

and now all it works

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Dagmar:

It's gone mad then

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Traveler7:

thans dagmar

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wagnerrp:

one of each to the back panel, one of each to the header

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Dagmar:

I've no idea why it would think there'd be two

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Traveler7:

thanks

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Dagmar:

It wouldn't be terribly complex circuitry, but I didn't think they had the cability of using a second set of inputs

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Dagmar:

On the 500 it can just becasue well, it's got two whole PVR-150's on it basically

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Dagmar:

If even those can switch between inputs it'll be handy to know about

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Dagmar:

I figured they'd have dropped the switching components from the design to save some money when going from the 250 to the 150

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vhann:

Dagmar: Is it me or can you plug up to 2 "daughter" cards in the PVR 500 (from what I see, there are 2 A/V headers on the card)?

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Dagmar:

vhanne: The one furthest from the backplate is the one you want IIRC

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Dagmar:

I have it plugged in at home but I'm not there

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Dagmar:

I wound up staring closely at the card to figure it out because it's not effing documented anywhere

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Dagmar:

This is also where I came to the conclusion that they literally just put two whole 150's on the card, added a PCI bridge, and called it a day

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Dagmar:

Spending hours looking up parts

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Dagmar:

If you're brave, there should be no side effects from moving that header while the thing is running

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vhann:

God do I love "BSD wtf" :D

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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vhann:

the 'wtf' program

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vhann:

You give it an acronym as argument and it spits out its meaning

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wagnerrp:

seems to not exist on my BSD box

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vhann:

wtf first appeared in NetBSD 1.5.

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vhann:

quoted from the manpage

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wagnerrp:

ah, net... im running free

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wagnerrp:

youve got your 500 running under net?

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Dagmar:

http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/os_cars.jpg

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vhann:

Well, on Slackware, the package containing it is 'BSD Games' so I assumed...

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Dagmar:

eh?

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vhann:

wagnerrp: Nah, I'm using my laptop (which is running Slackware 13.0) while the mythtv server is running Debian Lenny

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I'd completely forgotten there was anything else in bsdgames that wasn't `fortune` or "crap"

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jams:

wagnerrp- did you see my note from yesterday about the python bindings

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** wagnerrp is absolutely amazed at the amount of weight solaris carries **

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wagnerrp:

jams: no... on trac?

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vhann:

Dagmar: Well, back then I checked around and games such as 'hunt' are kinda funny actually

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jams:

wagnerrp- you see this alot when trying to use the Frontend class of the python binding http://pastebin.com/m54cff8a

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jams:

i get that error like 19 times out of 20

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wagnerrp:

is that about the class not creating if you are in playback?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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jams:

i'm just trying to send it a jumppoint

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Dagmar:

vhann: If i had my way PV would have moved fortune into bash's package and just threw away the rest of Y

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wagnerrp:

i have it expecting a certain string from the frontend, to identify that it is indeed a frontend, and not some other random open socket

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wagnerrp:

only for some reason, that string is not the same when youre in playback mode

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jams:

but i'm not in playback mode, just sitting on the main menu

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wagnerrp:

oh? ive only noticed it during playback

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, ill need to fix that

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wagnerrp:

and its a known issue (if perhaps not as well understood as i thought)

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jams:

ok

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vhann:

Dagmar: Haha yeah, fortune is awesome. But even if Y is useless, I still have fun using those programs seldomly

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wagnerrp:

jams: do you have any other programs accessing the socket interface?

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jams:

i had a telnet session open, but it was idle and had been for some time.

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vhann:

Dagmar: like doing something like 'xrandr -o left && banner "Vhann is awesome"' or such things :p

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wagnerrp:

the frontend socket only allows one concurrent connection

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wagnerrp:

if you already have something connected, further connections will fail

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jams:

yeah and it kicks the other one out

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jams:

so when i connected with the python bindings the telnet session would have been disconnected.

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jams:

well i guess it disconnects the first one, but the 2nd doesn't connect

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jams:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

it all around doesnt work properly

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jams:

well let me try with nothing connected

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wagnerrp:

Pluto did not pay for the capability of multiple concurrent sessions

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wagnerrp:

anyway, Captain Murdoch has a patch to allow multiple sessions

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wagnerrp:

but its not on his high priority list to get it cleaned up and committed

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jams:

same thing occured with no previous connections

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jams:

ah well, it's a known issue i guess

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wagnerrp:

restart the frontend fresh, and see if the bindings will connect

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jams:

nope

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jams:

according to the myth log the connection established

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin the first bit of text it returns when you connect over using telnet?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it establishes a connection just fine, but the bindings do not recognize the frontend as being a frontend, so it errors

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jams:

http://pastebin.com/m4f8f47bb

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wagnerrp:

jams: theres no '#'?

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wagnerrp:

it continues trying to read until it finds a '\r\n# '

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wagnerrp:

a terminal newline, and a fresh prompt

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jams:

yeah there is a #

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jams:

it didn't make it the paste

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wagnerrp:

with a space?

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jams:

yes there is space

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jams:

http://pastebin.com/m59d27688

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, there was some other error with one of the 'get's, where it was chopping off the front of the lines

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jams:

i added the h

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darkdrgn2k:

ok stupid question, whats a good avg bitrate to set a PVR150 for to get good analog SD video recorded?

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wagnerrp:

id say 6–8mbps

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gbee:

the defaults?

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, theres not visibly significant increase in quality

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wagnerrp:

im using 6600, which looks noticeably better than the default 4400

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darkdrgn2k:

ok...

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darkdrgn2k:

any idea why my colours may be offset a little (left edge of objects has a green glow)

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gbee:

heh, then the default is too low :)

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laga:

also depends on the amount of noise on the line etc ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i may just have noisy cable

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wagnerrp:

i might be able to get by with much lower bitrate were i using svideo instead of the tuner

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darkdrgn2k:

im not sure about that.

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darkdrgn2k:

same casble to the tv has no problem

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darkdrgn2k:

baa this is only temporary till they make me swich to diginal

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: its a known issue, entropy is hard to compress

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darkdrgn2k:

then im SOL

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wagnerrp:

by definition, entropy is uncompressible

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: so 6600 avg whats for max

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wagnerrp:

i just bumped 50% up from the defaults

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darkdrgn2k:

dam what was defaults :-P

[20:33:13]

darkdrgn2k:

ok got it

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darkdrgn2k:

woudl low bitrate also contribut to the picture being very dark

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm wonder why i get dark sceans almost black then

[20:34:09]

wagnerrp:

there should be some brightness and contrast settings

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if those work with the mpeg encoders, or just v4l framegrabbers

[20:34:31]

laga:

try to get your TV/monitor tuned first with some test screens

[20:34:40]

laga:

reminds me, still need to verify that segfault on my checkdisk

[20:36:09]

darkdrgn2k:

arg i just added video directory groups

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darkdrgn2k:

and all my files are msising meta/info

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iamlindoro:

because they are, for all intents and puposes... new files

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: makes sense... now i just gata find how to remap them in the databasde ;)

[20:37:55]

darkdrgn2k:

(i see the dups in the database)

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm thats interesting

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darkdrgn2k:

gui "meta" search said faield but still downloaded the poster

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iamlindoro:

It didn't download

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iamlindoro:

it found the existing image on your disk

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darkdrgn2k:

?

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darkdrgn2k:

differnt folders

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darkdrgn2k:

old one was /mythtv/Video/.Poster/xxx.jpg

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't matter

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darkdrgn2k:

new one is "xxx_coverart.jpg" located in /mythtv/Video_Extras/coverart

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iamlindoro:

if the local folder path exists in the DB, it'll check it after failing on the SG path

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iamlindoro:

ok, then maybe it did

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darkdrgn2k:

lol i been having lots of wierd problems with the meta downlaod

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darkdrgn2k:

(i know its wip)

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iamlindoro:

Not really, not any more

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iamlindoro:

it's pretty much as it will be in .22

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iamlindoro:

More likely you're expecting it to "just work" without rescanning from scratch

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darkdrgn2k:

ok cause every time i do it heres what happens

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darkdrgn2k:

"No Matches were Found" but it reset the name wihtout _ for spaces

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darkdrgn2k:

second time... it works

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iamlindoro:

that means a) you are using file browse mode and trying to grab metadata for those files (which are not in your db), or what I said above

[20:43:27]

iamlindoro:

if you want it to work properly the *first* time, turn off file browse mode, clear your metadata, scan from scratch, and reload all your metadata

[20:44:03]

darkdrgn2k:

how do you turn off file browse mode

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darkdrgn2k:

nm foung it

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darkdrgn2k:

ok how do you add the rest of the files to the system?

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Dagmar:

Pour them in carefully using a funnel.

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iamlindoro:

You need to read the mythvideo .22 transition guide

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darkdrgn2k:

10–4

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darkdrgn2k:

i think i need to wipe my video and start from scratch :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the best way to reset metadata?

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darkdrgn2k:

delete from videometa

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darkdrgn2k:

delete from videometadata

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** dustybin looks forward to setting up .22 with a fresh new db **

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cityLights:

is 0.22 out for testers?

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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dustybin:

cityLights: nope

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cityLights:

i.e stable?

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wagnerrp:

trunk has always been available

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dustybin:

trunk is?

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wagnerrp:

0.22 has not been branched yet

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cityLights:

do u know when it will?

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wagnerrp:

ive heard one more week

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gbee:

heh, if it was stable why would we need testers?

[20:48:18]

dustybin:

i have to admit, this film looks excellent: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/Computers/M . . . 120250_paMgC

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dustybin:

*theme

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darkdrgn2k:

it does but thers one bug with it

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darkdrgn2k:

actualy its not with it.. its with openGL that u need to use to use it

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dustybin:

aye ok

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darkdrgn2k:

it usses 99% cpu... when it just sits there idle :'(

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dustybin:

eeeek

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[R]:

i dunno... i tried graphite... not that big of a fan of it

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dustybin:

darkdrgn2k: is that a bug?

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darkdrgn2k:

dustybin: its a bug but not with the theme..

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darkdrgn2k:

dustybin: its a bug in opneGL using negative cords i beleave

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dustybin:

oh

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_ben:

woo

[20:50:09]

_ben:

xmltv working

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darkdrgn2k:

u HAVE to use opengl with it.. qt doesnt draw it right

[20:50:19]

darkdrgn2k:

but if you use gl you get 99% ussage

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darkdrgn2k:

so everythign is slightly slower then it should be

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dustybin:

darkdrgn2k: this has nothing to do with mythtv or the theme, this is down to opengl ?

[20:50:38]

laga:

for the love of $deity, can you please try to spell properly?!

[20:50:46]

laga:

thanks!

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darkdrgn2k:

dustybin: so i been told

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dustybin:

hopefully it will get resolved in time

[20:51:45]

darkdrgn2k:

dustybin: i been waiting for a few months now.. and heard nothing

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dustybin:

blimin heck, there is a massive #opengl channel on freenode

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darkdrgn2k:

its the only theme so far (afaik) that uses fan art

[20:54:13]

iamlindoro:

Lots of themes using fanart now, though not all released

[20:54:39]

iamlindoro:

Take, for example: http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/ or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Blue_Abstract_Theme

[20:54:47]

iamlindoro:

And even Terra is some spots

[20:55:09]

darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: ok yeh thats right terra does..

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darkdrgn2k:

i really like yours.. just that dam cpu problem :-S

[20:55:54]

iamlindoro:

Meh, I'm on to the next one, which amusingly doesn't use negative coordinates so far and thus doesn't need GL

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darkdrgn2k:

:-P whats teh next one?

[20:56:22]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/

[20:56:46]

darkdrgn2k:

oo that one..

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darkdrgn2k:

looks nice

[20:57:13]

** dustybin notices frugal sans font **

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Some typography expert, try again

[20:57:43]

gbee:

iamlindoro: yeah, sorry, don't think I'll have the negative coords problem solved for 0.22

[20:58:03]

iamlindoro:

gbee, S'ok

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gbee:

I've just had enough, want to do something easy for a while

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: oh yes, the 'a' looks different

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iamlindoro:

I completely understand :)

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darkdrgn2k:

:-P

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a way to clean up the video database

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darkdrgn2k:

(ie remove files that were moved or deleted)

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wagnerrp:

one scan will flush out the data for any non-existent files

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darkdrgn2k:

great good to know :)

[21:05:55]

wagnerrp:

its always been that way (of course before it would ask before deleting orphaned video entries)

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[R]:

mythvideo in trunk really confuses me

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh i know.. i gues thats why i was douting it :-P

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wagnerrp:

[R]: explain?

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[R]:

like it was ahrd to make it pick up new files

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darkdrgn2k:

click scan?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you have to tell it to scan, instead of just going into the video manager

[21:08:00]

wagnerrp:

you also have to exit, and re-enter mythvideo to have it flush out the existing list

[21:08:08]

wagnerrp:

(maybe, i dont know if that has been fixed yet)

[21:08:10]

_ben:

laga: you about?

[21:08:15]

M0nk3Ee:

hello all, I have managed to install the latest development trunk version of mythtv on my server and its working great (i just followed one of the howto)

[21:08:15]

[R]:

i dindt play around with it much

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[R]:

first thing is to get stable playback

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M0nk3Ee:

now my seperate system running a frontend is not working anymore because its an old version

[21:08:29]

laga:

_ben: yes

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[R]:

M0nk3Ee: the versions need to match

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M0nk3Ee:

can anyone tell me what i would need to do to compile just the frontend on that box after rmoving all the old debs

[21:08:53]

wagnerrp:

M0nk3Ee: you dont

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wagnerrp:

compiling the backend takes all of under a minute, and a couple MB for the binary

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_ben:

laga: cool, remember I asked about tweaking xorg.conf so it always outputs to the tv rather than having to have the tv on then turning the computer on – can you give any specifics for me to google on?

[21:09:19]

wagnerrp:

there is marginal reason to not include the backend binary

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wagnerrp:

so support for '--frontend-only' has been disabled in the configure script

[21:09:53]

M0nk3Ee:

okay, on my server it took about 45 minutes to compile the mythtv part of the svn

[21:10:05]

M0nk3Ee:

its not a very quick machine but it runs it just ;)

[21:10:06]

laga:

_ben: i imagine the mythtv wiki has something on that issue. maybe the easiest thing to do is to dump the EDID from the TV and force X/the nvidia driver to use that edid

[21:10:23]

darkdrgn2k:

awsome, now the videos are woking if only i could fix that dam AC3 problem :-S

[21:11:15]

darkdrgn2k:

but no one seems to know why :-S

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_ben:

laga: cool, ta – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nvidia-cards_and_n . . . efore_the_TV

[21:13:39]

wagnerrp:

M0nk3Ee: nearly all of the compiling of mythtv is done in the support libraries

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wagnerrp:

on a 45min compile, the binaries take up less than the last 5 minutes

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M0nk3Ee:

aahh... ic

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M0nk3Ee:

wagnerrp, this is the guide i followed to get it working on my server: http://www.thesh17.com/wp/2007/12/27/installi . . . n-on-ubuntu/

[21:16:49]

M0nk3Ee:

if i follow that again i will end up with the server part installed on my front end box

[21:16:54]

M0nk3Ee:

which bit would i change?

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Dagmar:

You'd have a grown-up do the typing

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kormoc:

Server part?

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Dagmar:

If you have the instructions that say how to install it all, SURELY you can figure out what they do

[21:18:04]

wagnerrp:

M0nk3Ee: no, you install the whole thing, and the default plugins

[21:18:16]

wagnerrp:

as mentioned, there is no 'server version'

[21:18:37]

wagnerrp:

no backend-only, no frontend-only, its all or nothing

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M0nk3Ee:

oh okay, then just disable the backend from staring up and reconfigure the front end

[21:18:52]

Dagmar:

KNew you could do it

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M0nk3Ee:

thx

[21:19:41]

wagnerrp:

hes a real boy now!

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kormoc:

Now now, be nice to the ESL folks

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M0nk3Ee:

ESL?

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wagnerrp:

well judging from his whois, one would hope hes EFL folk

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wagnerrp:

of course we have kids over here speaking only Ebonics or... *shudder* Klingon

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kormoc:

You know, more and more often I get that wrong...

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darkdrgn2k:

is there a keyboard shortcut to download metadata :-p

[21:24:13]

wagnerrp:

hes on a pair of class Bs registered to somewhere in Telford in Shropshire, UK

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kormoc:

M0nk3Ee: ESL is English Second Language

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Dagmar:

He didn't seem ESL to me, which is why I suggested he could probably figure it out

[21:24:47]

Dagmar:

I was already looking at the instructions

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M0nk3Ee:

I'm no where near shropshire,

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm nm found it

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kormoc:

M0nk3Ee> okay, on my server it took about 45 minutes to compile the mythtv part of the svn

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kormoc:

that struck me as ESL style

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Dagmar:

They were high-level enough that he had to know something or he wouldn't 'ave been able to get them to work

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laga:

it'd be really nice towards the ESL folks if people were spelling properly

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** laga where ESL folks == me ;) **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, looking at documentation before coming in here already puts you a cut above average

[21:25:53]

Dagmar:

yep

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jduggan:

telford?

[21:26:51]

** jduggan guesses entanet **

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jduggan:

wholesalers

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jduggan:

of adsl

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wagnerrp:

jduggan: yep

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jduggan:

also, class b? what are we? 1991? :P

[21:27:11]

_ben:

not just adsl

[21:27:23]

jduggan:

_ben, sure, they do all sorts, but theyre big on dsl

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wagnerrp:

jduggan: would '/15' be better?

[21:27:33]

jduggan:

wagnerrp, sure :)

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kormoc:

laga: funny enough, I place you above the majority of EFL folks :)

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laga:

kormoc: aww :)

[21:36:04]

jduggan:

any brits recording flashforward?

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jduggan:

preferably using eit from dvb-s for listing data

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laga:

gbee: sigh. remember that mythdvd bug report about my "checkdisk" dvd? i brought it to my place. turns out the case is empty

[21:38:13]

darkdrgn2k:

ok i created a folder in the root dir of my video storage group

[21:38:17]

darkdrgn2k:

put some times in there

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darkdrgn2k:

i do a scan for chagnes

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darkdrgn2k:

the folder does not apear

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gbee:

laga: oh well

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M0nk3Ee:

jduggan, i'm recording it but using radiotimes for the data

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laga:

gbee: maybe next term ;)

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jduggan:

M0nk3Ee, im using 'subtitles then description' for checking duplicates, its recorded 2 showings of episode one and wants to record a third this evening

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k, You need to *read* *the* *transition* *guide*

[21:42:24]

iamlindoro:

We are way too busy working on the release to keep tutoring people running the dev version without keeping up with what has changed/current bugs

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jduggan:

the description is identical, ive just change it to 'description' and its fine, just wondered what you were using and if you had duplicates

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M0nk3Ee:

i'm using dvb-t, have subs / description and using radio times, so quite different but i don't have any duplicates

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M0nk3Ee:

any brits had much success with iplayer integration?

[21:51:02]

Dagmar:

Read their ToS first.

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antgel:

i'm considering adding another backend to my setup. is there any difference from the end-user POV (i.e. not the admin), between adding another tuner to my existing backend, or adding it to a machine that's currently just a frontend – making that a backend as well?

[21:52:21]

** antgel reads up **

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antgel:

there's a release on the way? \o/

[21:52:34]

[R]:

antgel: no

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[R]:

antgel: tuners are tuners, it doesnt matter where they are

[21:52:57]

antgel:

[R]: wonderful. just how it should be :-D

[21:55:46]

_ben:

So, if i use WOL (frontend waking up a backend), will mythwelcome on the backend start mythfrontend on said backend automatically?

[21:55:46]

antgel:

so let's take the scenario where a backend is recording, and i'd like to watch live tv on the same box, it will give me the option to watch live tv from a tuner in backend B, and stream the live TV across the network? truly fantastic

[21:55:48]

darkdrgn2k:

OMG deleting actualy deletes the file?!?!?

[21:55:51]

antgel:

my parents are going to love this

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gnarface:

antgel: a basic type of client – server architecture enabling a feature the industry calls "network transparency" is commonly built into non-microsoft products ;)

[21:58:06]

[R]:

_ben: why would you want to start a frontend on a backend?

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[R]:

antgel: it wont give you options... it'll just work

[21:58:41]

_ben:

[R]: basically, combined front/back in the living room – standalone frontend in the bedroom

[21:58:47]

[R]:

_ben: oh!

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[R]:

_ben: i think the frontend might acgtually start in that situation

[21:59:16]

_ben:

Yeah, thats my thinking too

[21:59:31]

_ben:

maybe i need to disable the mythfronend start then

[21:59:34]

antgel:

[R]: yes, when i said give me the option, i meant it as a sort of implicit thing :)

[22:00:12]

antgel:

gnarface: my next question was how to integrate mythtv with active directory :-P

[22:00:47]

darkdrgn2k:

antgel: WHY would u want or need that?

[22:00:49]

gnarface:

hah don't uh quote me on this but uh... LDAP

[22:01:01]

darkdrgn2k:

antgel: not like myth has any user authentication....

[22:01:13]

darkdrgn2k:

(aside from backend pin)

[22:02:49]

darkdrgn2k:

your time would better be spent getting blueray working in linux

[22:02:52]

antgel:

you know a lot about mythtv, but little about the meaning of a smiley

[22:02:54]

darkdrgn2k:

and porbaly a greater chance of success

[22:03:01]

antgel:

or maybe i'm not funny

[22:03:07]

Dagmar:

I don't think he'll get the sarcasm.

[22:03:28]

Dagmar:

antgel: You're not funny.

[22:03:32]

darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: well if some one comes out and says "i want to commit sucide :-P" you dont take it as sarcastic!

[22:03:39]

Dagmar:

I *just* saw that you mentioned AD

[22:03:49]

Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Of course you don't.

[22:04:06]

Dagmar:

It's WAY more entertaining to relay that message to the appropriate authorities and let them overreact.

[22:04:15]

darkdrgn2k:

:-P

[22:04:17]

darkdrgn2k:

true...

[22:04:17]

antgel:

*snort*

[22:04:21]

Dagmar:

AD tho?

[22:04:33]

Dagmar:

I'd stab you in the rectum with a spiked club.

[22:04:43]

Dagmar:

...and it wouldn't be cruel enough.

[22:04:47]

antgel:

some people like that stuff

[22:04:49]

darkdrgn2k:

LOL can you imagine.. storing backend pins in AD...

[22:04:56]

Dagmar:

We're saddled with AD here and it's *shit*

[22:04:59]

darkdrgn2k:

thats something microsoft would think up of

[22:05:08]

Dagmar:

microsoft didn't think it up

[22:05:27]

Dagmar:

They just drew up a fancy non-compliant kerberos implementation.

[22:06:02]

Dagmar:

Someday, people will invent a machine that can reach across time into the distant past...

[22:06:10]

Dagmar:

...and then the "inventors" of AD will be brought to justice.

[22:06:28]

darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: almost reminds me of Front Page Extesnions... the didnt even remove the companie's initials from the )_VTI_ directories after "adapting" their technology

[22:06:33]

gnarface:

i'm weak in MS technology – can someone clarify for me... active directory == ypbind/NIS for windows but badly implemented?

[22:06:54]

darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: AD is a over complicated implementation of LDAP+DNS

[22:07:15]

gnarface:

aah

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Dagmar:

...with Kerberos tokens thrown in for giggles.

[22:07:20]

darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: with some Kerbos and such for token authentication (NTLM).. Its essentialy the sucessor to NT 4 domains

[22:07:27]

antgel:

right, my actual question is – i used an antec fusion for a build a few years ago – is it still a great choice at the price point? anything else to look at that's horizontal, with a VFD, and perhaps a remote control? (the remote with most DVB-T cards is pretty poor)

[22:07:27]

gnarface:

yuck

[22:07:40]

** antgel wishes he'd never mentioned AD **

[22:07:52]

antgel:

OFF-TOPIC! OFF-TOPIC! :-P

[22:08:01]

laga:

antgel: current antec fusion comes with a remote, doesn't have a PSU

[22:08:04]

Dagmar:

antgel: It's still practically all Antec in that space, but they've got some better ones now

[22:08:14]

darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: and like all microsoft products, one little thing goes wrong, the whole thing breaks with a random hexadecimal error... IF you can find it

[22:08:38]

wagnerrp:

antgel: silverstone has a large line of HTPC cases

[22:08:42]

wagnerrp:

thermaltake has a couple

[22:08:47]

antgel:

laga, Dagmar: interesting – i'll check it out

[22:09:28]

wagnerrp:

the silverstone ones are pretty nice, arguably similar build quality to Antec

[22:09:40]

wagnerrp:

for some reason, i have an unfounded dislike for all things thermaltake

[22:09:42]

antgel:

wagnerrp: yes, silverstone seemed like the obvious alternative, but they have so many to choose from, and what with me being lazy and all... seriously on first glance, the antec looks a little sleeker (as sleek as a frigging big thing like that can be)

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darkdrgn2k:

arg stupid videos

[22:10:08]

darkdrgn2k:

the duplicated on me

[22:10:12]

darkdrgn2k:

so i deleted the duplicates

[22:10:16]

darkdrgn2k:

and it actualy deleted my video files

[22:10:45]

wagnerrp:

bye bye video library

[22:10:52]

darkdrgn2k:

**SNIFF**

[22:10:56]

laga:

ouch

[22:11:02]

darkdrgn2k:

worst part is i dont know WHICH ones they were

[22:11:03]

wagnerrp:

how much?

[22:11:16]

darkdrgn2k:

luckly only a hand full

[22:11:21]

gnarface:

wait you can undelete maybe?

[22:11:27]

darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: undelete in linux?

[22:11:29]

wagnerrp:

depends on the FS

[22:11:39]

darkdrgn2k:

e

[22:11:40]

gnarface:

i thought it was on by default in ext3 and up

[22:11:40]

wagnerrp:

and the amount of disk activity

[22:11:41]

darkdrgn2k:

ext3

[22:11:54]

darkdrgn2k:

disk activity was minimum

[22:12:04]

gnarface:

and in reiserfs you could enable it if you had undel installed before the ... mishap

[22:12:12]

gnarface:

i thought at least

[22:12:13]

darkdrgn2k:

ok hwo do you undelete then?

[22:12:18]

antgel:

is the v2 antec fusion hardware fully supported in linux? web search is unclear

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Dagmar:

darkdrgn2k: Basically, the rule of thumb is "if you have to ask, you can't"

[22:13:07]

Dagmar:

antgel: Check imon space

[22:13:11]

darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: *SIGH* yeh i know

[22:13:24]

gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html this suggests its possible but it looks scary to me :(

[22:13:30]

darkdrgn2k:

i just never looked into it cause i was todl.. you CANT

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antgel:

Dagmar: thanks

[22:13:56]

Dagmar:

It's possible, but mainly you have to have some tools already installed that generally no one has installed.

[22:14:14]

Dagmar:

Installing the tools generally ensures you destroy the crumbs and traces those tools need.

[22:14:19]

Dagmar:

Therefore, if you have to ask, you can't.

[22:14:35]

fabio_27:

hi, i'm trying to get my knc one dvb-c tv station working. i did a channel scan with w_scan which worked flawlessly. Now i'm trying to watch one of those using czap -a 0 -r -c channels.conf "Channel Name" and mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0. But mplayer just gives me Playing dvr0 and TS file format detected but no video

[22:14:39]

fabio_27:

any ideas?

[22:14:49]

Dagmar:

No one wants to walk someone through the nightmarish bullshit that it turns into unless one was ready to undelete in advance.

[22:15:00]

gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: i recommend alias rm='rm -i'

[22:15:18]

darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: wast through consol.. was through myth..

[22:15:28]

gnarface:

oh sorry

[22:15:38]

gnarface:

wasn't paying attention myb ad

[22:15:39]

gnarface:

my bad

[22:15:41]

darkdrgn2k:

its ok

[22:15:47]

darkdrgn2k:

but thanx for the sgestion

[22:15:57]

darkdrgn2k:

i gatta do that on my servers :-P

[22:16:00]

darkdrgn2k:

good precaution

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Dagmar:

The merciful thing to do would be to submit a patch so that instead of unlinking the files, MythTV first checks to see if `shred` is available and then uses that if it can.

[22:16:48]

Dagmar:

...so that we could say for sure "Yep, there's no way to get that file back."

[22:16:51]

darkdrgn2k:

stupid double scan duplication bug :-S

[22:17:52]

darkdrgn2k:

meh the files are gone..

[22:17:59]

darkdrgn2k:

im not gonne be grepping for a 4 gig iso :-S

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gnarface:

does anyone know how to share a terminal with a luser peer using ytalk?

[22:21:58]

gnarface:

(sorry not a mythtv question)

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darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: no but u can do it with screen i think

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clever:

gnarface: you could use ssh and screen, but they would have full control (not that safe)

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Dagmar:

What do you mean by "share a terminal"

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Dagmar:

Are you talking about just _using_ ytalk?

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gnarface:

no not just straight-up ytalk session

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clever:

gnarface: vnc can be setup as view only, but depending on setup it may use more cpu

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Dagmar:

You don't "share" terminals with ytalk then. That's called "getting your ass rooted"

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gnarface:

i see

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Dagmar:

Use GNU screen if you want a split-vt kind of thing

[22:23:41]

Dagmar:

...or snooptty

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gnarface:

well what i was looking for was just a way so that i could have a spectator watch me compile and install something

[22:23:48]

gnarface:

... without needing X

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gnarface:

or vns

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Dagmar:

ttysnooping then

[22:23:54]

gnarface:

i mena vnc

[22:24:06]

gnarface:

thanks

[22:24:31]

Gumby:

hi all. can anyone tell me what the best (or one of the best) analog (or hybrid analog) tuners is these days. And are they much better than the pvr150 or 250?

[22:25:52]

Dagmar:

gnarface: http://www.google.com/search?q=ttysnoop

[22:25:57]

Dagmar:

It's kinda an OLD utility

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fabio_27:

no idea?

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gnarface:

Dagmar: thanks that is perfect

[22:26:13]

Dagmar:

Expect the documentation to have a bit of a "how can you NOT already know how to do this" tone

[22:26:33]

Dagmar:

...because basically when that tool came out we were still working on PREVENTING users from being able to do that. heh

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darkdrgn2k:

when ripping DVDS to MVK should i de-interlace them?

[22:26:56]

gnarface:

Dagmar: i know enough of the basics about ssh and stdio that i know i should be embarrassed about not already knowing how to do this

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: hell no unless you stored interlaced video on your dvd for some bizarre reason

[22:28:27]

Dagmar:

I've been at this a loooong time and I barely rememeber. I'd have to look it up or fumble through it.

[22:28:28]

gnarface:

afaik commercial dvds are all progressive by nature

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Dagmar:

It's not something one does often

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gnarface:

i have seen some commercial dvds that were poorly or inaccurately (perhaps entirely inappropriately?) de-interlaced but it was all stuff that was originally broadcast/cable tv content, anime and cartoon network collections and such

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pyther:

Hello

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gnarface:

that stuff sometimes looks better passed through a deinterlacer but i'm not sure it even actually counts as interlaced

[22:31:29]

pyther:

Is it possible to not have mythtv disable channels in HD?

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pyther:

*display

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jduggan:

you can set it to not visible

[22:32:19]

jduggan:

?

[22:34:35]

pyther:

jduggan: are you suggesting that to me?

[22:34:42]

jduggan:

pyther, sure

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fabio_27:

czap actually gives me FE_HAS_LOCK which should be a good sign not=

[22:34:54]

fabio_27:

?

[22:35:23]

pyther:

jduggan: what would I set to not visable?

[22:35:32]

pyther:

I'm pretty new to myth

[22:38:11]

jduggan:

pyther, the channel

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jduggan:

you can do it in mythtv-setup

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pyther:

okay thanks

[22:38:38]

jduggan:

or easier, if you have mythweb do it under channel info, untick the box in the visible column

[22:39:00]

pyther:

okay I"ll play around, that should turn off HD?

[22:39:18]

jduggan:

not 'HD' but any channel you have that is HD

[22:39:23]

jduggan:

you can untick

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jduggan:

if you dont want HD just dont add the channel?

[22:39:59]

pyther:

Most of the local channel are in HD

[22:40:04]

gbee:

it's impossible to edit channels in mythweb if you've got more than a hundred or so, can't submit that many fields in a form

[22:40:13]

jya:

hi there.. the metallurgy themes in trunk/myththemes is it the OSD or the full themes or both ?

[22:40:14]

pyther:

and I want to watch them, but my cpu can't keep up with it

[22:40:39]

gbee:

jya: both, although the ui theme hasn't been entirely ported to mythui yet

[22:40:51]

pyther:

So I was wondering if it was possible to watch them in standard definition

[22:41:17]

gbee:

pyther: no, that's not possible

[22:41:35]

jduggan:

pyther, best you can do is transcode

[22:41:36]

jya:

gbee: I wondering how to package that one... the file structure is rather different than the other. Used to be dirname or dirname-osd

[22:41:53]

pyther:

jduggan: after I record it right?

[22:41:58]

jduggan:

pyther, yea

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pyther:

Meh, that won't work because it can't even record the channel correctly

[22:42:29]

gbee:

you need to decode the video to scale it (which mythtv would do automatically) but since your cpu is too slow to decode

[22:42:45]

gbee:

if it can't decode HD mpeg2 then it's probably a very slow system?

[22:42:51]

laga:

jya: why don't you work with the ubuntu mythtv packagers?

[22:42:59]

pyther:

yeah it a sempron +2200

[22:43:07]

pyther:

and the tuner doesn't have a decoder on it

[22:43:21]

pyther:

so between the two only non-HD channel are somewhat watchable

[22:43:21]

gnarface:

hmm. that doesn't seem so slow to me

[22:43:27]

jya:

they already have their packages, and I wanted to update my system now, don't feel like waiting

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gbee:

pyther: digital? You should be able to play mpeg2 HD with that easily

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gnarface:

pyther: what video card?

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pyther:

gnarface: none, I'm using mythfrontend on a different machine

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gnarface:

pyther: if you're having trouble with mpeg2 at practically any resolution with a semperon i'd kinda suspect your video card is from the 90's or improperly configured

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gnarface:

oh over the network is something different entirely

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pyther:

gnarface: but I recorded a channel and it was skippy

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pyther:

hence it was recording on the machine with the tuner

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gnarface:

are we talking a wireless network you're streaming over ?

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pyther:

I think it is because I have a cheap POS tuner, that uses the cpu

[22:45:45]

pyther:

gnarface: I tried wireless, but also tried a 100Mbps cat5e cable

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pyther:

with no noticable differnce

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gnarface:

802.11b wireless would explain the problem on its own

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pyther:

the cpu is at 100% on the master when watching any channels

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gnarface:

yuck thats not right

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gnarface:

pyther: which capture card did you have in there did you say?

[22:47:42]

pyther:

a kworld atsc 115

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pyther:

I think the capture card is my problem

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[R]:

atsc is digital

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[R]:

its not gonna be using cpu

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darkdrgn2k:

ok, i have a onboard HDMI connector on my board NVidia MCP78chipset. When i play audio that has AC3 passthrough, my reciever keeps trying to play the audio as PCM for a while (producing pulsating "digital" static), and finally catches that it is digital, and plays fine. From time to time it will cut out for a fraction of a second (digital logo disapers from the display sound cuts out, and then comes right back) some time

[22:48:32]

wagnerrp:

the capture card just captures a digital transport stream

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pyther:

because I can watch the record file, with out the master server going over 50% cpu

[22:48:36]

darkdrgn2k:

my setup: PC---[HDMI CABLE]----TV----[OPTICAL CABLE]-----Receiver

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wagnerrp:

there is no way it could be the problem

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt do anything

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: unless the drivers are buggy...

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pyther:

wagnerrp: does a digital signal require greater processing speed?

[22:49:21]

darkdrgn2k:

pyther: no less...

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: and then he would have *no* video, instead of poor playback

[22:49:38]

wagnerrp:

a digital signal requires next to no processing capacity

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: analog needs conversion to digital... digital already comes in done...

[22:49:53]

pyther:

Hmm...

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darkdrgn2k:

kinda like ethernet...

[22:50:04]

wagnerrp:

no, analog need compression from raw

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pyther:

Because non-hd channel are playable, HD channels just become really skippy

[22:50:17]

wagnerrp:

the card does the A/D conversion in hardware

[22:50:24]

wagnerrp:

(as that sort of thing can only be done in hardware)

[22:50:45]

darkdrgn2k:

true...

[22:50:59]

wagnerrp:

pyther: chances are that sempron is just too slow to decode HD mpeg2

[22:51:09]

pyther:

That is what I'm guessing

[22:51:11]

pyther:

:(

[22:51:16]

wagnerrp:

you can try using xvmc to aid playback

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: backend and frontend on teh same pc?

[22:51:25]

wagnerrp:

assuming you have a nvidia card

[22:51:48]

wagnerrp:

you can try turning off deinterlacing

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pyther:

darkdrgn2k: no frontend is on a atom laptop, but that isn't the problem because I recorded a show at it was choppy

[22:52:12]

wagnerrp:

so... youre not trying to play back video on the sempron?

[22:52:17]

pyther:

No

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darkdrgn2k:

the banckend doesnt need to decode teh MPEG2 then...

[22:52:23]

wagnerrp:

then why even mention it?

[22:52:34]

darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: hes paying HD video on an atom...

[22:52:47]

wagnerrp:

yes, the atom is a world of fail

[22:52:51]

pyther:

I attempted to record a show

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pyther:

and it was slow

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wagnerrp:

ION can do hardware decoding through vdpau

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darkdrgn2k:

true... but i dought hes doing that

[22:53:10]

wagnerrp:

but the Atom is only marginally capable of playing back ATSC

[22:53:13]

darkdrgn2k:

pyther: i'd try doing a recording outside of myth...

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: and see what happens

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wagnerrp:

and any deinterlacing will put it right over the top

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[R]:

ah atom isn't gonna have any trouble playing xvid rgith?

[22:54:01]

darkdrgn2k:

[R]: depends on bitrate

[22:54:02]

wagnerrp:

[R]: depends on the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

but probably not

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[R]:

low bitrate, low resolution

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darkdrgn2k:

then no

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pyther:

darkdrgn2k: what program would you suggest (command-line only)

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pyther:

my onboard video won't work with X

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: vlc or mplayer .. and to tune azap i beleave is the ATSC tuner

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darkdrgn2k:

umm actualy

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darkdrgn2k:

ezer then that

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darkdrgn2k:

you have to get a channel file..

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pyther:

darkdrgn2k: I already have a channel file

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darkdrgn2k:

then use azap with -r (i think) to lock onto the channel

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darkdrgn2k:

then you can just CAT one of the devs...

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darkdrgn2k:

thats it

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darkdrgn2k:

so its aszp -r..... then once its lockd put it int h backround

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darkdrgn2k:

and you can just cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > file.mpg

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pyther:

ok, let my try that

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: you got an asus m3n-ht?

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darkdrgn2k:

M3N78-VM

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pyther:

gnarface: I get an empty file

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: same chipset as my m3n-ht i think

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darkdrgn2k:

did u lock

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pyther:

yes

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darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: quite possible..

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther did u use the -r option

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darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: anhy idea what could be the probl

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pyther:

no :P

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darkdrgn2k:

make sure u do -r

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darkdrgn2k:

-r prepares teh stream into dvr0

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darkdrgn2k:

so then you could even do mplayer /dev/....dr0 :-P

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: not really but that audio chip really misbehaves on me with concurrent recording/playback or multi-program concurrent playback access if i use 'hw' as my devices instead of 'default' and hell if i know why. just delete your asoundrc too – that isn't gonna help one bit

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pyther:

darkdrgn2k: that works

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pyther:

let my try with a different channel that I know is HD

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darkdrgn2k:

gnarface: its jsut so weird... the beginig of an ac3 stream it doesnt know its didigta... it has to guess

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darkdrgn2k:

i even tried

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darkdrgn2k:

slave.pcm "hdmi:AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2"

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: i've heard many people suggest that OSS has no problems, it seems to me to just be an alsa thing, but i want 5.1 audio ...

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darkdrgn2k:

oss doesnt do 5.1?

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gnarface:

not last i checked

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gnarface:

admittedly its been a couple years

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darkdrgn2k:

but it will pass AC3 digitaly as 5.1 no?

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pyther:

darkdrgn2k: I am able to record and it plays fine on my atom

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pyther:

using your method

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: whats the CPU like when its recordding

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gnarface:

darkdrgn2k: if you're using the digital out i have no experience with it. i send the 6-channel mini-headphone jacks directly to my speakers

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pyther:

4–6%

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pyther:

very low

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm ok..

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh im not doign that :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

mos tof my stuff is digital passthrough

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darkdrgn2k:

and thats wher its dieng

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gnarface:

no experience

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pyther:

So I wonder why it is so slow in myth

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gnarface:

but that sounds weird to me

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darkdrgn2k:

it is...

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darkdrgn2k:

pyther: u doign any transcoding?

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pyther:

err, how do I tell?

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pyther:

I'm not sure

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darkdrgn2k:

if you are not sure then probably not....

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[R]:

i've always been a believer that 64bit just isn't worth it... does it really not matter?

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gnarface:

pyther: aka line-doubling or deinterlacing?

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pyther:

It is going over the network connection, but... when I had myth do a schedualed recording, the recording was really choppy

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pyther:

gnarface: I don't think so, I pretty much used the defaults

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gnarface:

[R]: depends on whether you can envision a use for more than 4GB of physical RAM on your computer. If you can, then its worth it ;)

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gbee:

definitely faster

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[R]:

so its just the ram limit when it comes down t oti t?

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gbee:

no

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gnarface:

no there is more to it

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darkdrgn2k:

ARG... i hate glass

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gnarface:

64 bit chips actually run 32 bit programs faster because it can process two 32-bit commands at a time through its 64-bit registers

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darkdrgn2k:

if i put my antenna on the other side of my window.. i get signal.. but on this side.. i get nodda :-S

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gnarface:

but the addressing capabilities of 64 bit chips should not be trivialized

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pyther:

So why would myth take up so many resources?

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gnarface:

having 16GB of ram and 8 cores can be a lot of fun

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[R]:

gnarface: i'm not tlaking about 64bit vs 32bit chips...

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[R]:

gnarface: i'm talking about using 32bit kernel/userland vs 64bit kernel/userland

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gnarface:

OH

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wagnerrp:

gnarface: if utterly useless for most tasks

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gbee:

[R]: the question is, what is it about 64bit that makes it harder than 32bit and therefore 'not worth it'

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gnarface:

well interface 64-bit userland response crap will actually seem slower initially on a 64-bit chip compared to 32-bit userland

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gnarface:

but only superficially and overall work throughput is significantly increased i would think

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pyther:

Anyone?

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[R]:

gbee: nothing is harder... i guess not wroth it is a bad choice of words

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gbee:

gnarface: my experience suggests otherwise, I got a noticeable speed bump when I first switched to a 64bit environment and I know plenty of others said the same

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[R]:

gbee: i geuss especially on myth... for deskstops back when flash was a problem and what not... it mattered

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gbee:

we've had 64bit flash for a couple of years now etc, there really isn't any difference in app availability etc

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gnarface:

gbee: you have to run the alpha version of linux flash, but it mostly works :(

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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pyther:

Hmm odd, now the sernver is staying at about 11%

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pyther:

Would wireless be to slow to stream over?

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SpaceBass:

I'm having some challenges with mythweb – I cannot download asx streams and the flash video isnt working (says stream not found)

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gbee:

gnarface: alpha? nu-uh

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SpaceBass:

I think its a permissions issue on my recording directory – its 775 but the group is "mediausers" does it need to be mythtv?

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gnarface:

gbee: did they release the non-alpha already? this is the one i'm using http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

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gbee:

in this case alpha is just a tag they've stuck on it to limit uptake, but it's actually the same as the 32bit plugin, same code, but built for 64bit

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gbee:

it's as stable and works just as well as the 32bit version in my experience too

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gbee:

I actually suspect that their 64bit plugin is just the 32bit one with a 64bit wrapper

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SpaceBass:

anyone have any suggestions on my mythweb issues?

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wagnerrp:

anyone around using mythvideo under trunk, without storagegroups?

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[R]:

me

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[R]:

SG for mythvideo ounds interseting though

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wagnerrp:

could you run 'select distinct host from videometadata', and give me the result?

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wagnerrp:

is it just an empty string?

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[R]:

that would require me turning on my mythbox

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[R]:

sorry :(

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wagnerrp:

your sql server isnt online?

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[R]:

my mythbox is down until i can figure out my stupid vdpau crap

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wagnerrp:

bleh... guess ill just write it and figure out what doesnt work later

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

everyone likes coding based off assumptions

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[R]:

i do it all the time

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darkdrgn2k:

ok it seems that ever since i created video gourp

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