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Friday, September 25th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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unimaginative:

sigh.

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** unimaginative waves goodbye to Cartoon Network. **

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kormoc:

hrm?

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unimaginative:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21313721-stu . . . k-to-digital

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unimaginative:

Comcast moved Cartoon Network to the digital tier packages, and it's not availabe on QAM.

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** paperclip pets his crappy analog cable **

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wagnerrp:

unimaginative: not sure what i would do without Venture Brothers season 4

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kormoc:

buy it on dvd?

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paperclip:

if there were an itunes-esque vendor that had reasonable season passes I'd go ala carte

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wagnerrp:

aww, but then you have to wait for it to come out

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imperfect-:

Anyone using Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex] PCTV for Mac, HD Stic

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imperfect-:

I just need sound!

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wagnerrp:

the sound is included in the mpeg stream

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imperfect-:

the mpeg strea?

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imperfect-:

I'm not hearing shit

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imperfect-:

and I dont think it's spitting out mpeg is it?

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kormoc:

imperfect-: watch the language...

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wagnerrp:

its a digital tuner, audio and video come pre-encoded in an mpeg TS file

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imperfect-:

im currenting using tvtime for testing

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imperfect-:

i see video just fine

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imperfect-:

just no sound

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wagnerrp:

tvtime cannot use digital tuners

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kormoc:

try mplayer?

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wagnerrp:

tvtime is for framegrabbers only

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imperfect-:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

and you should not be using that card for analog

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wagnerrp:

s/card/usb stick/

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imperfect-:

How come?

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imperfect-:

works fine

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wagnerrp:

because it is a framegrabber

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kormoc:

http://www.pctvsystems.com/Products/ProductsN . . . Default.aspx

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wagnerrp:

if you want analog, get an mpeg encoder

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imperfect-:

Guess I dont' understand

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kormoc:

claims it only supports ATSC or ClearQAM

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imperfect-:

Using EyeTV on the mac I've watched regular tv

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imperfect-:

so I dunno

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imperfect-:

I've got two hauppage 150's

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imperfect-:

just need my pci slots

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wagnerrp:

you should be using those 150s for analog

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wagnerrp:

and that usb stick for digital

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kormoc:

so why'd you get a digital card for a mac for a analog encoder for your linux box?

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imperfect-:

I wasn't using it at all

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imperfect-:

some dude at work got us all one

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wagnerrp:

if that usb stick does not support analog at all, then you are running tvtime off your hauppauge

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imperfect-:

i'm not married to it

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imperfect-:

huappage isnt installed.

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imperfect-:

im watching tv with it

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imperfect-:

just no sounds

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imperfect-:

and as I said

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imperfect-:

with EyeTV on the mac, I watched tv just fine

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** kormoc thinks this is a lost cause **

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imperfect-:

I believe it just means there's not hardware encoding

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wagnerrp:

lets start over from the beginning....

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wagnerrp:

you have this usb stick connected to your computer

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wagnerrp:

you have two PVR-150s, but they are not installed

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wagnerrp:

correct?

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imperfect-:

yep

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imperfect-:

sitting in boxes from yesteryear when i was all about mtv

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wagnerrp:

where is the video coming from? cable or antenna?

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imperfect-:

\cable

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wagnerrp:

so you are receiving clear QAM

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imperfect-:

yep

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imperfect-:

its shitty SDTV

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wagnerrp:

which is an mpeg stream, complete with audio and video

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imperfect-:

just no sound

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wagnerrp:

there is no sound to capture, its just a data stream

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wagnerrp:

if you are not playing sound, for some reason you cannot play back AC3 audio

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[yzf600]:

hodwy

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wagnerrp:

however the recordings DO have sound, and you ARE recording sound

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[yzf600]:

I get my hd channels via hdhome run & Charter in Atlanta, GA

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

like I said

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imperfect-:

same card

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imperfect-:

same cable

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imperfect-:

eyetv

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imperfect-:

has sound

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kormoc:

Different operating system

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imperfect-:

Of course different OS

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[yzf600]:

last night, they shuffled the channels around. Now mythtv can't find the FOX channel with the channel scanner.

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kormoc:

and besides, a return is not a valid space character in the English language...

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[yzf600]:

hdhomerun-gui can tune it just fine

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imperfect-:

I've got \n issues.

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kormoc:

so fix them...

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wagnerrp:

s/^M/,/

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kormoc:

and you also installed the firmware for the device, and used the em28xx driver?

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[yzf600]:

I saw the pointers about running scte65scan

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imperfect-:

Yeo

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imperfect-:

had to do that before tvtime evenw roked

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wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: you are using Charter, not Comcast

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[yzf600]:

but I don't think my cable co has switched to this method yet

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wagnerrp:

scte65scan is only for use with Comcast in areas that they have started distributing DTAs, in place of analog cable

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imperfect-:

em28xx_alsa is even loaded

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ctmjr:

imperfect-: you can get sound out of you need to pass the audio thru sox or another audio player

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kormoc:

is the alsa device unmuted?

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** kormoc blinks **

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: I was thinking along those lines, but wasn't sure

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imperfect-:

yea all unmuted

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: you have any hints on how to fix my issue?

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wagnerrp:

so wait, this stick does in fact have NTSC capture?

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imperfect-:

I tried to use sox to no success

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imperfect-:

i'm watching it!

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: I tried to manuall add the channel, but no luck. When I dump the "channel" table, I see my manual edit didn't fill in the mplexid and serviceid fields

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wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: are you running 0.21 or trunk?

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imperfect-:

sudo sox -r 44100 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2

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imperfect-:

sox formats: no handler for given file type `ossdsp'

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: seems that certain hardware revisions do, but it's a crapshoot, as officially it does not

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: 0.21.0+fixes-21583-openglvdpau2-nv180–0ubuntu0

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wagnerrp:

imperfect-: unload everything, install your PVR-150s, and live on with mpeg encoded goodness

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imperfect-:

hehe

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imperfect-:

thanks anyway

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imperfect-:

I will conquer this but it's bed time

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imperfect-:

thanks anyway

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imperfect-:

=)

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ctmjr:

that is wrong the last one should be /dev/dsp

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wagnerrp:

imperfect-: you dont want to mess with framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

they are a world of pain

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kormoc:

they are... imperfect...

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wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: the scanner in 0.21 is broken, IIRC it does not load any channels on multiplexes with encrypted streams

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wagnerrp:

which is why rescanning did not work

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[yzf600]:

oh – ok

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[yzf600]:

good to know

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[yzf600]:

got any pointers on how to add it manually?

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imperfect-:

Doesn't that just mean sfotware encoding?

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kormoc:

imperfect-: yes, cpu hogging, bus bandwidth filling, power eating software encoding...

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kormoc:

especially with usb...

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wagnerrp:

imperfect-: a mpeg encoder captures audio and video, and spits it out into a nice encoded mpeg2 stream

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imperfect-:

I've got quad cores for this box

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imperfect-:

bah

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imperfect-:

I've got 2x 4port ethernet cards in this box

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imperfect-:

you're killing me

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kormoc:

Hope you want to dedicate one of them to just that stick...

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wagnerrp:

with a framegrabber, you have to deal with encoding, you have to fiddle with audio capture, you have to worry about buffer underruns, you have to worry about synchronization issues

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wagnerrp:

its a world of pain beyond just CPU load

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imperfect-:

yadday yadda yadda

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imperfect-:

thansk for the help

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imperfect-:

I need my damn NIC's though

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ctmjr:

and when you get it just right it overheats and dies

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imperfect-:

You know

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kormoc:

imperfect-: what did I say about the language?

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imperfect-:

I've got a 1u server in my closet

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imperfect-:

kormoc: that you're a purtian nazi of some sort? Deep breaths. It'll be okay.

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imperfect-:

darnit. shucks.

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** kormoc wonders if imperfect- wants to be banned... **

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wagnerrp:

its not kormoc, its just channel policy

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kormoc:

It's only the channel rules...

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imperfect-:

mythtv-users-church

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imperfect-:

Better channel name

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imperfect-:

luckily for you

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imperfect-:

I've gotta go

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imperfect-:

thanks for the help guys

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kormoc:

I doubt it

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imperfect-:

shuckydarn?

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imperfect-:

pooshoot?

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imperfect-:

=)

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kormoc:

I doubt you mean thanks at all

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imperfect-:

They don't sound 'angry'

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imperfect-:

You're totally right.

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imperfect-:

My foul mouth makes me incapable of gratitude.

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kormoc:

nah

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imperfect-:

I'm a husk of a human being with window whistling in the cavern where my soul used to be.

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kormoc:

more your entitled attitude when we didn't tell you exactly what you wanted to hear...

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imperfect-:

I am beyond redemption.

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kormoc:

I'd believe that

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imperfect-:

I think you have have misunderstoo.d

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imperfect-:

I'm not even remotely married to this stick

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imperfect-:

I just didnt want to have to remove my 2 4nic cards

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imperfect-:

I assure you, I will find a way to survive.

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imperfect-:

I feel you've taken this _far_ too seirously. =)

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imperfect-:

Take care of yourself, and with as much gratitude as I can muster as a godless heathen, I thank you. =)

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wagnerrp:

well that was fun

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kormoc:

And as a godless heathen, I hope he dies in a fire

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: I got fox added and tuned correctly now

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[yzf600]:

thanks for the info

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[yzf600]:

had to manually edit the channel table and guessed the mplex ID correctly

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wagnerrp:

so the whole world blacks out, and only 'hundreds of thousands feared dead'?

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[yzf600]:

I'm starting to think I should write my own scanner script

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[yzf600]:

well – some helper scripts to take hdhomerun scan info and build up mysql inserts

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wagnerrp:

i have a scanner script that runs off hdhomerun_config on trac, but that is almost completely untested

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wagnerrp:

and intended for trunk

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wagnerrp:

and it doesnt really matter because trunk turns 0.22 in a few weeks

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[yzf600]:

will 0.22 have the vdpau in it?

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wagnerrp:

0.22 is where vdpau came from

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wagnerrp:

the packages you are using are 'backports'

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[yzf600]:

rockin

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[yzf600]:

good to know

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: I'll check out your script

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wagnerrp:

it seems to run, but as far as i know, i insert stuff improperly

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wagnerrp:

i ran it once, got weird behavior, and just flushed the whole lineup and rescanned with mythtv

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[yzf600]:

ok

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[yzf600]:

damn commericals are loud as hell

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[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: is your script in unstable svn?

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wagnerrp:

no, its in trac

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[yzf600]:

I'm not that familiar with trac, you got a url pointer for it?

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[yzf600]:

your script that is

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6872

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[yzf600]:

yea – it's in python my favorite new language

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dkeith:

good day folks. I am wondering if this is the right forum to ask a question regarding back-end/front-end choppiness

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kormoc:

Certainly is Mr. dkeith

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dkeith:

I have a 2.5GHz quad-core back end, and when I playback SD or HD on that system's monitor (a 17" CRT that use for trobleshooting and admin), it is smooth as silk

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wagnerrp:

sounds like network issues

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dkeith:

I have several front ends, and they all experience some choppiness when playing back.

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wagnerrp:

how are they connected? (type of network)

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wagnerrp:

are you streaming through the backend?

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wagnerrp:

are you streaming over some network file system?

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wagnerrp:

what file system are the videos stored on?

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dkeith:

front ends are mythtv on MACOS on mini, mythbunto 9./04 on Mac Mini, mythbuntu 8.10 on dell laptop

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wagnerrp:

what is the content?

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wagnerrp:

what are the frontends?

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dkeith:

the network is 1 GB end-to-end

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wagnerrp:

certainly you dont have a 1GB network

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wagnerrp:

you mean gigabit?

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dkeith:

I have verified all NICS are runnig at full 1 GB speeds

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dkeith:

All switches between back end and front ends are new home-office class GB switches

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i know that runs at 1GB/s is infiniband

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dkeith:

gigabit (100K bytes/sec theoretical maximum)

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wagnerrp:

that is gb, 'b' for bit, not 'B' for byte

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dkeith:

actual speed is somewhat – though not dramatically — less

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dkeith:

so....

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dkeith:

Also, SD over this network run smooth as silk

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dkeith:

so... I am thnking that I have to find some way to set up the recordings so that they are less bandwidth-intensive

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dkeith:

I have been trolling the docs, but am quite frankly lost as to how this works

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wagnerrp:

what blend of mac mini?

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dkeith:

blend?

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wagnerrp:

old G4 boxes, old Core boxes, new Core2 boxes?

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dkeith:

1-year-old 2GHz boxes

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dkeith:

running both MacOS and mybuntu 9

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wagnerrp:

are you streaming over a filesystem? or across the backend protocol?

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dkeith:

the monitors attached are new samsung HDTV's

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dkeith:

wagnerrp – I don't think I understand the question

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dkeith:

I am using the default settings

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wagnerrp:

how are they getting the recordings?

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dkeith:

to answer prior question – the backend is using 2 RAID 0 filesystems – each one is a software raid made up of (2) 1 TB Western Digital drives

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wagnerrp:

there is no longer any reason to be running RAID0 with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you might want to consider moving those to independent drives with storage groups

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dkeith:

the recording live on the backend and are streamed over 1 gb ethernet

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dkeith:

errrr... sorry – RAID 1

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wagnerrp:

streamed how?

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wagnerrp:

file system, or backend protocol?

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mag0o:

(are the shares mounted via nfs, or are you relying on myth to feed you the data)

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dkeith:

serious don't know. Backend is Mythbuntu 8.10. front end is 8.10 or 9.04. They talk

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dkeith:

ahhh...

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dkeith:

myth-to-myth

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dkeith:

no NFS

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mag0o:

:)

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dkeith:

(I am using CIFS mounts to provide music to the front ends, but that is not a problem)

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dkeith:

actually, it never occured to me to have the frontends read the recordings directly

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dkeith:

so, back to my actual question... I am thinnking that I should impose some sort of transcoding onthe recordings to reduce the bandwidth. Is there a setp-by-step guide form how to do this, or some compelling reason I shouldn't

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dkeith:

one more bit of info – the tuners are: (1) FireWire to a Moto box provided by Comcast and (2/3) HD HomeRun

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dkeith:

I am thinking of trying FIOS, since Comcast has locked me out of my favorite channels via Firewire

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dkeith:

(sorry about my typing – end of a long day here :-) )

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mag0o:

dkeith: i don't transcode anything personally

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edman007:

hrm, hd takes a lot of disk...2 days, no cable, and i got 50GB...

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dkeith:

HD typically piles up at around 6 GB/hour for me

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** wagnerrp finds it very appropriate that the song played during the ad for 'V' is named 'The Resistance' **

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dkeith:

Remarkable how fast ~800GB of available stagrage gets eaten up

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ATSC will run anywhere from 5–8GB/hr

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dkeith:

s/stagrage/storage/

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edman007:

i'm going to need more disk space...

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHA

[01:53:41]

wagnerrp:

the preview for next week's Flash Forward

[01:54:00]

wagnerrp:

theres some geek in a burned out warehouse sitting at his mainframe

[01:54:09]

wagnerrp:

he has a bunch of PCs sitting in fish tanks

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mag0o:

heh, was going to say 'i must be doing it wrong' until i found an OTA nascar recording – 5 hours @ 29gb

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dkeith:

I take a weedwhacker to the recordings if I need to go away for a few days. I just let them rerecord, since I can only watch them s fats

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dkeith:

so fast

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mag0o:

i let myth handle the deletions

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wagnerrp:

even better, the machines in whatever fluid that is have installed optical drives (also in said fluid)

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mag0o:

havent ran out of space in about 4 or 5 years now

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dkeith:

literal fluid?

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wagnerrp:

literal fluid?

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dkeith:

"the machines in whatever fluid"

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dkeith:

this is cryptic jargon to me

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wagnerrp:

yes, theyre sitting in fluid

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wagnerrp:

instead of using air or water cooling, you just immerse the entire computer in fluid

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mag0o:

were it not for the optical drives, oil would have been my guess

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wagnerrp:

something non-conductive

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mag0o:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

vegetable oil is the cheap route

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clever:

what about the vent hole in the drive

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wagnerrp:

floroinert is the expensive (can you say proper with something like that) method

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mzb:

as long as you can keep it clean

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clever:

dont think the filter in there would like oil

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wagnerrp:

the thing is, you cannot have any spinning hardware

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wagnerrp:

no fans, no hard drives, no optical drives

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dkeith:

the old cray models used articial human blood plasma

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wagnerrp:

no, they used floroinert

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clever:

dkeith: vampire server? :P

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wagnerrp:

WTF would you fill a computer with blood plasma

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dkeith:

the original cray 1's?

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wagnerrp:

you are seriously disturbed

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mag0o:

clever: yeah, they ran windows, and it sucked the life right out of you

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clever:

expected :P

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dkeith:

ARTIFICIAL. thermally conductive, chemically stable, non-corrosive, non-conducting

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dkeith:

I would LOL, but Windows is just too sad

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wagnerrp:

seems the original Cray was filled with freon

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wagnerrp:

Cray-1 ran fluorinert

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dkeith:

hmmm.... have to go check my sources. Might have been adifferent brand

[02:01:12]

dkeith:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9 . . . 98-2,00.html

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dkeith:

"Cray's answer: flooding the circuits with a continuous flow of Fluorinert, a liquid coolant that, incongruously, is also used as an artificial blood plasma."

[02:01:39]

dkeith:

Google rocks!

[02:02:39]

dkeith:

and of course "Time" is never wrong about these technical details :-S

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wagnerrp:

huh... blood plasma

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wagnerrp:

ive only ever heard of it being used as an immersion coolant

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dkeith:

I don't know which use came first, but apparently Cray was the one who (according to the version I heard) hit upon using it in a computer

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wagnerrp:

well an immersion coolant is what 3M markets it as

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wagnerrp:

i saw no reference on their site to its use as an artifical plasma

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Gav8in:

home overclockers do use mineral oil and other cheaper fluids.

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wagnerrp:

home overclockers doing immersion cooling are cracked

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Gav8in:

yes.

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Gav8in:

artificial blood is wild stuff; there's also been some really interesting questions about implied consent with field trials of it.

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Gav8in:

(legal questions)

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clever:

Gav8in: what about a really hard cord nerd using his own blood? :P

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Gav8in:

a _vampire_ nerd!

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Gav8in:

i see a show on the CW

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clever:

2 options

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dkeith:

<deadpans>I see dead circuits

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clever:

either take a pint a week and slowly fill it

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clever:

or (more risky), use your own damn body as the rad and circulate the blood back in:P

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clever:

might help in the winter months to give an extra kick to your internal body temp

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Gav8in:

hrm. your body is an highly effective cooler! it can stay 37C even when it's 40C or more outside!

[02:16:19]

Gav8in:

and that despite being exothermic; a human body generates 100W-150W of heat, mean.

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clever:

let the cpu heat warm you from the inside out

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Gav8in:

heh

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Gav8in:

it's brilliant!

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: yeah, and large buildings have evaporative coolers on the roof for just that reason

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wagnerrp:

somehow i think pumping that amount of heat through you would result in your death

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Gav8in:

wagnerr, speak for your city. not so many evaporative coolers here, in what I call a "reasonable climate."

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clever:

i came across a post online where a dude put a copper loop in the basement slab

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clever:

for cooling the pc

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Gav8in:

there are some facilities in boston that use natural gas to power their AC system; it's kinda neat

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, running your blood through a hot CPU block would denature the proteins in your cells

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Gav8in:

it's apparently less efficient than using electricity in some ways, but it generates countercyclical demand for natural gas and can thus be cheaper.

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dkeith:

there is a story from BBN back ca 1980, when they started usng the excess heat from their computers to power their AC

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, frying the blood may damage it beyond repair....

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clever:

cook your own blood

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Gav8in:

my mother in law used to make a kind of blood omelette when i was coming over for dinner

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dkeith:

apparently their power consumption dropped dramatically (70% or somesuch) and Cambridge Electric came poking around looking for electricity theft

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: its called an absorption refrigerator

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Gav8in:

wagner, yeah. A.E. patented the first one!

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wagnerrp:

much less efficient than a freon/r134 unit

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wagnerrp:

but its completely sealed, and they can run for decades

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Gav8in:

and also: countercyclical natural gas demand.

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Gav8in:

get the right deal with your utility, and you're golden.

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Gav8in:

t

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Gav8in:

So if the switch uses 10W mean, geez, that's $78. Pretty expensive!

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Gav8in:

misfire.

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wagnerrp:

'Wanted to record: The Office\nBut a user has canceled this recording'... .huh?

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wagnerrp:

neither NBC nor FOX recorded

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wagnerrp:

no, NBC recorded Community

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Gav8in:

weird.

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wagnerrp:

i bet this was some SNAFU with multirec

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Gav8in:

i turned multirec off after i had some unexplainable trauma.

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wagnerrp:

yep, its time for multirec to go

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wagnerrp:

office and fringe

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wagnerrp:

...well that pisses me off

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wagnerrp:

and grey's anatomy, but well... thats not my loss

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Gav8in:

the D-Link 2505 gigabit switch is $20/ea right now, five ports. Its spec sheet says 5w max consumption, and 1w if every connected device is off.

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Gav8in:

misfire.

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benwood:

hello, I'm having trouble getting things working with mythtv and an Asus U3100 Mini – seems to get virtually no signal but not sure

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[R]:

no signal?

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benwood:

yes

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benwood:

tested with ubuntu and windows but no luck

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[R]:

huh?

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benwood:

cant pick up any channels

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benwood:

just scans, no channels

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[R]:

if your hardware is broken, what does it have to d with mythytv?

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Gav8in:

yeah, hard to help here.

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Gav8in:

do you have any other TV nearby that gets signal? what happens if you try its antenna?

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** Gav8in shrugs. **

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benwood:

well I wanted to check if it was a settings issue that maybe Ive been repeating... you see I gave it to someone who took it to Melbourne and they said it worked ok there

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[R]:

you just said it doesnt work in windows

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benwood:

not here but it does in melbourne

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[R]:

well if it works in neither linux nor windows... hwat does your problem ahve to do with mythtv?

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benwood:

I live in Geelong (largest regional city outside of Melbourne in this part of the country) so I figure I should be able to pick up something at least

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[R]:

you figure? you do'nt know if you can pick stuff up?

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benwood:

Im in a computer store and I cant find any connection to an outside antenna to test with atm :P

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benwood:

Im not sure if my software is set up wrong or if the aerial is just cappy

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[R]:

well if it doesnt work in windows or linux

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[R]:

it has nothing to do with mythtv

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Agrajag-:

benwood: is it one of those little usb dvb sticks? if so, i've never had any luck with any of them, they have pissweak antennas/tuners

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benwood:

k just thought I'd ask in case someone said "have you checked this setting..." (I am a total noob and new to this stuff)

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benwood:

Agrajag-, yes

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benwood:

this is a notebook

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benwood:

does anyone have any recommendations for a usb dvb stick that maybe will work ? :P

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Agrajag-:

sorry, i've never come across one :)

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benwood:

dammit :P

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aresgodofwar30:

good evening

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aresgodofwar30:

could somebody give me some mythtv install help on a mac mini?

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wagnerrp:

depends on what you need help with

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iamlindoro:

aresgodofwar30, people don't generally like to volunteer to help without knowing what they're getting into

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iamlindoro:

you need to ask specific stuff

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aresgodofwar30:

ok well i looked at the mythtv site and the instructions are rather general. i'm not interested in compiling myself, so i'm using a precompiled version on sniderpad.

[04:14:13]

aresgodofwar30:

i got mysql installed and i ran the commands listed on the mythtv site

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aresgodofwar30:

when i run the mythtv-setup.app i enter some information about my database

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aresgodofwar30:

then it comes back with a message saying it wants to update my schema from 0 to 1214. then there are two buttons

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aresgodofwar30:

update and exit

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aresgodofwar30:

when i click either one, the installer exits and i get no errors or no other messages

[04:15:32]

aresgodofwar30:

so i think i've done something wrong

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aresgodofwar30:

i'm about to format and reinstall mac os x

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aresgodofwar30:

and start over

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[R]:

sounds like its crashing

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aresgodofwar30:

i was hoping somebody would be able to direct me to a step by step install guide for the mac

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iamlindoro:

aresgodofwar30, the backend on Mac OS is not really a supported setup. It compiles, but getting it work is going to be an on-your-own affair

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wagnerrp:

are you actually running on OSX? or are you running linux on a minimac?

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aresgodofwar30:

i was afraid of that. after searching the web for a few weeks, i found very little help

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aresgodofwar30:

yeah i'm running OS X

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aresgodofwar30:

i'd be open to installing linux on it, if that is preferrable

[04:23:06]

iamlindoro:

We don't have a preference, though you might if you hope to have it work :)

[04:23:13]

aresgodofwar30:

lol

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7142 So WTF is wrong with people anyway?

[04:23:29]

iamlindoro:

aresgodofwar30, Anyway, backend under OSX can *only* use the HDHomeRun

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iamlindoro:

(if you make ti work)

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aresgodofwar30:

i do have the hdhomerun.

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iamlindoro:

Well that's lucky at least :)

[04:24:08]

[R]:

iamlindoro: it is a good point... just expressed incorrectly

[04:24:20]

iamlindoro:

[R], It's not a bug, and I disagree to boot

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wagnerrp:

i wonder just how large that page would be were all that data stored in the initial download

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[R]:

iamlindoro: like i said... expressed incorrectly

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iamlindoro:

It's not a good point :)

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

it is annoying

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iamlindoro:

MythWeb's use of ajax is both tasteful and restrained IMO

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wagnerrp:

the response time could be sped up, but two seconds to pull up a popup is not considerable

[04:26:48]

aresgodofwar30:

would anyone suggest I install ubuntu, then mythtv or should I go with mythbuntu?

[04:27:20]

wagnerrp:

the complains are also wrong

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Wicked:

if its just gonna be a media player and nothing else..mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

you have to mouse-over and hold to trigger an AJAX request

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[R]:

aresgodofwar30: well do you want ubutu with mythtv... or do you want mythtv?

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Wicked:

if you plan to use it for other stuff...ubuntu

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aresgodofwar30:

ok i'll look into that ty

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aresgodofwar30:

oh just tv

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aresgodofwar30:

i ditched tivo and cable and want to just record OTA tv

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Wicked:

mythbuntu will prob save you time/effort then

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wagnerrp:

you dont 'accidentally' trigger requests unless youre lazily moving the mouse around the screen randomly

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wagnerrp:

maybe that delay was put in sometime during the last two years

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wagnerrp:

considering the ticket was against 0.21

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iamlindoro:

was still a ticket of complaints, and specifically about style/design choices, and not bugs

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wagnerrp:

well im just wondering how he managed to complain about something and be so blatently wrong about it

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oobe:

.22 seems to use a lot more ram im thinking of adding 4gb kit to my existing 2gb kit anyone think this is unnecessary

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wagnerrp:

0.22? no

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wagnerrp:

but the themes, and more importantly the artwork in 0.22 would certainly take up more memory

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wagnerrp:

and yes, 6GB is unnecessary

[05:51:36]

wagnerrp:

2GB is plenty fine

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oobe:

when i use mythvideo with graphite i use 40 – 55 % of 2GB ram when i use blootube its still as high as 35%

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wagnerrp:

1GB would probably be sufficient for a combined frontend and backend

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oobe:

this wouldnt matter if it were a stand alone frontend but i run multiple xsessions and multiple tasks

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wagnerrp:

this is a desktop?

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oobe:

my desktop i use as a BE FE and lots of other things

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wagnerrp:

then do as you see fit, recommendations can only be made for dedicated machines

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oobe:

i have a remote frontend for the living room that doesnt do anything but mythtv

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oobe:

good point

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oobe:

do you know much about memory timings and voltage compatibility

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wagnerrp:

i just follow the SPD

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oobe:

yeah me too

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oobe:

i was only asking here cause i think mythtv is using more and more ram and wanted to get an idea of what was required

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wagnerrp:

i know you have to be careful about i7s, because their controller cannot handle the high voltages of performance DDR3

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oobe:

my mobo still use's ddr2

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oobe:

its new as well

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oobe:

strange

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oobe:

i dont mind as i heard ddr3 still has more latency

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wagnerrp:

higher latencies, but much higher frequencies, so it evens out

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oobe:

what im worried about is adding ram that wont fit with my existing ram as in mine is 2.1v 5-5-5–15 @800Mhz so now i cant get 1066Mhz unless i ditch the old stuff

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wagnerrp:

correct

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oobe:

but i think i would still get better performance with 6GB @800 than 4GB @1066 would that be right

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on what youre doing

[06:05:03]

wagnerrp:

if youre swapping, or heavily using large amounts of disk cache, more is better

[06:05:08]

wagnerrp:

in all other cases, faster is better

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oobe:

yea my swap is getting pretty full

[06:05:37]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt ever touch your swap

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oobe:

Swap: 1906 1020 885

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wagnerrp:

you using swap means you need to buy more memory

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oobe:

it was 100% full the other day and my machine was lagging

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oobe:

os[Linux 2.6.28-14-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "jaunty" 9.04] cpu[3 x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B50 Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 3.10GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 22.6% free] disk[Total: 1.1TB, 2.8% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS] sound[HDA-Intel – HDA NVidia1: SAA7134 – SAA7134]

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wagnerrp:

swap cannot be 100% full

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wagnerrp:

at 100% swap usage, your system starts killing programs

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oobe:

my desktop shutdown

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oobe:

or crashed rather

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oobe:

mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 23.0% free – Swap: 1.9GB, 46.4% free]

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wagnerrp:

3x?

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oobe:

its a dual core unlocked to x4 but only x3 passes prime stable tests

[06:09:05]

oobe:

so i disabled the 4th core

[06:09:05]

oobe:

but they do make tri core cpu's

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wagnerrp:

there has been a single triple core CPU ever, that has been the one on the Xbox360

[06:10:05]

oobe:

i never would of ended up getting this cpu mobo but i had problems with my old mobo and cpu

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wagnerrp:

the rest are AMD X4s with a disabled core

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oobe:

when i was researching i found out about unlocking crippled cores

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wagnerrp:

however i asked because you listed it as a 'Phenom II X4'

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wagnerrp:

meaning quad-core

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oobe:

yes i know

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oobe:

ppl unlock tri cores to quad cores

[06:11:02]

oobe:

i could of paid more for a slow tri core

[06:11:15]

oobe:

but i paid less for a faster dual core and unlocked it

[06:11:20]

oobe:

so i feel happy

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wagnerrp:

does that affect power consumption significantly?

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oobe:

i dont really know

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oobe:

apparently some ppl find they need to up the vcore a little more

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wagnerrp:

you didnt measure temperature before and after?

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oobe:

but when i tried it made no difference

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wagnerrp:

they need to bump the Vcore because the chip is unstable

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oobe:

yea

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wagnerrp:

they can only make it stable by running it over spec on voltage

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wagnerrp:

thats why the core was disabled in the first place

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oobe:

mine seems to be fine on stock voltage

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oobe:

but i cant use the 4th core

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oobe:

im sure its fine for regular use but when i ran torture test it consistantly froze my machine

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oobe:

" however i asked because you listed it as a 'Phenom II X4'" yea it does that cause when it posts its still a quad core and i disable the 4th core in grub but /proc/cpuinfo still gets the post id

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wagnerrp:

looks like the slashdot primaries are down

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wagnerrp:

im hitting a cache error

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justinh:

pfft. translators complaining there's not enough space in themes for text. Just use English guys :P

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mzb:

(or your local variant of it?;))

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justinh:

if we start making allowances for languages which use 20 characters where 3 will do.. oof

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mzb:

s/OK/No worries, mate!/ ;))

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mzb:

yeah, you might be right

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justinh:

maybe it's time for locale-specific themes :)

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mzb:

mind you, s/error/bugger!/ doesn't seem like much of an ask :)))

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justinh:

our plan to dominate the world with English variants has to succeed sooner or later though

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mzb:

show description: Title: "Some yank production", Actors: "Mostly yanks, one Pommy, and one Aussie shiela", Rating: "Better than nothing"

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wagnerrp:

if we start making allowances for languages which add spurious 'u' where none are needed... oof

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mzb:

thanku?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: missing the odd 'u' here & there, I can handle. not having select bars which are too long to house any word in common use in my native language however..

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justinh:

e.g. if your language has "dgshfjadskgfkadsjhgfaewjhrgjhaewgfjaew hgrfaewjhrgeawjhrgaewjhrgaewjhrgjhaewrjw" instead of 'watch videos', learn English :)

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mzb:

or do everything with pictures? (and have text popup on hover?:))

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mzb:

s/hover/select ?

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justinh:

note that one or two abusive feature requests I had for my themes were from non-native English speakers

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conectate:

what is better? mythtv on ubuntu or installing directly mythubuntu?

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justinh:

text popups? eew. mousey

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sulx:

conectate: nether if you ask me...

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justinh:

conectate: none of the above. Whatever you're most comfortable with

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[R]:

conectate: do you want ubuntu with mythtv or mythtv?

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justinh:

FWIW I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu over any other distro for newbies. Well, maybe over slack or gentoo

[06:52:46]

conectate:

I have bouguth a system to run as my htpc

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conectate:

but I want the system to be my webserver, document server and everything

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

mythbuntu can do that. so can knoppmyth/LinHES, so can MythDora

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conectate:

the issue is that it is the first time I'm gonna use a media center or similar

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justinh:

first time on linux?

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conectate:

no

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conectate:

not new to linux... work develping in linux ;)

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conectate:

but I don't know if it is gonna be diffcitul to configure

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justinh:

then again, sometimes I think these all in one distros just *temporarily* shield users from the inevitable

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conectate:

and how the system is started up

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sulx:

I have these "mythtv" distros...quicker to build own setup and the way YOU wan't it

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sulx:

have = hate

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wagnerrp:

sulx: once you know what youre doing, sure

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mzb:

if you use it for other things, I suggest you stick with what you're used to

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justinh:

conectate: well, a good path to failing with mythtv is A) not RTFM B) not RTFM, C) not RTFM D) buying hardware before doing any research

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conectate:

so you recomend then installing any linux distro and then install on top of it

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conectate:

?

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mzb:

s/D) buying hardware before RTFM ;)

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sulx:

wagnerrp: but if you build own setup from start. You know exactly what it does and how

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conectate:

i have read first the manual

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mzb:

conectate, choose a distro, RTFM (for mythtv), build mythtv from source

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justinh:

I recommend you read the manual at least once before starting out

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wagnerrp:

sulx: only if you RTFM

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conectate:

actually I read about compatibility for the tuner and similar things before buying

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wagnerrp:

:P

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justinh:

conectate: generally, if it works in linux, it'll work with mythtv

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conectate:

that's what I did

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justinh:

and generally, you'll be wanting to avoid framegrabber tuner cards – i.e. analogue tuners which have no hardware compression onboard

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conectate:

actually I bouth a nova t-5000

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conectate:

500

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conectate:

it seems one of the most widely used

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justinh:

oh and most of all make sure the hardware *works* in linux before your very own eyes, before you even go *near* mythtv

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conectate:

but the issue ... after mythtv installation the media center starts at boot up or do I have to start it by myself?

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justinh:

which is where the prime disadvantage in ready-rolled mythtv distros comes from

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justinh:

conectate: depends on how it comes configured or how you configure it

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justinh:

it's not that much work to do it yourself

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conectate:

ummm ... ok... so I will be able to get a console and everything even if mythtv runs on startup

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conectate:

and the last question: mythtv runs as it owns user?

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wagnerrp:

most people configure mythtv to run as 'mythtv'

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wagnerrp:

but it can run as whoever you want, so long as you have file and device permissions set up properly

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conectate:

will it run even if I'm log off?

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justinh:

if mythfrontend runs on startup, and you have no window manager..

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justinh:

conectate: you still have some reading to do

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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wagnerrp:

if you daemonize mythbackend, it will continue to run after you log off

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wagnerrp:

if you do not understand that concept, you need some more experience with linux before trying mythtv

[07:01:47]

conectate:

yes I know daemons ;)

[07:02:08]

wagnerrp:

so you know any program you want to can be run outside your user login?

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conectate:

I think I have to read and install and try

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conectate:

wagnerrp yes

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wagnerrp:

so why did you ask the question?

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justinh:

most distro packagers sensibly provide init scripts to properly daemonise mythtv :)

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conectate:

cause of the gui and similar

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wagnerrp:

see executive overview listed above

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conectate:

I don't know how a media center runs

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conectate:

yes I'm doing now.

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wagnerrp:

backend and frontend are separate processes

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conectate:

and I will further read

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wagnerrp:

backend manages all recording, and has no UI

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justinh:

god, I hate those words. Media Center. URGHHH

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wagnerrp:

frontend is playback only

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conectate:

ok

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conectate:

that sounds great

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conectate:

cause I wanted to use ssh or web (mythweb) to program the pvr

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justinh:

ssh won't be much use to you unless you forward X over it

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conectate:

but I can access backend from console I guess

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conectate:

and then program it

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

kind og

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wagnerrp:

of

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conectate:

ummm ...

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wagnerrp:

you can access the backend protocol directly

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conectate:

ok

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wagnerrp:

which is what the frontend and mythweb use to manage the backend

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wagnerrp:

but that is not advised

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justinh:

yeah, if you're one of those perverts who prefers to do things the impossible way

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conectate:

jajajaa

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justinh:

mythweb, or mythfrontend :)

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conectate:

I gues I have to read and get experience before talking further

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justinh:

people bothered making a nice UI for mythtv, so I'd advise you make use of it

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conectate:

I thought it was gonna be easy.. but maybe it is gonna be more difficutl

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wagnerrp:

mythweb works perfectly fine for most purposes

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justinh:

it's not difficult if you arm yourself with knowledge beforehand

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conectate:

ok

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wagnerrp:

a terminal interface would certainly be welcome, if perhaps rarely used

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conectate:

i take this advice... and I will give it to my wife aswell ;)

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justinh:

where most people run into problems is A) tuner hardware not working and B) peripherals like remotes not working

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justinh:

they then associate problems they have with those devices as being 'mythtv's fault'

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conectate:

I have bought a WinTv Nova cause I read many peaople make it working

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conectate:

and the I have an antec fusion remote

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justinh:

aside from the general PEBCAK issues..

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conectate:

i know it won't be mythtv but me or the hardware

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justinh:

oh and mysql. people SO always mess up the database configuration stuff

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justinh:

or their packager does :P

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conectate:

ok

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conectate:

THANKS A LOT for the hints

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justinh:

read the docs, don't follow Uncle John's blog page

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justinh:

read the wiki, don't follow Uncle Bub's blog page

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conectate:

when free time I will start setting it up

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conectate:

but before read

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conectate:

ok..

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justinh:

if the docs you read are not from mythtv.org or the official 'mythtv howto' for your distro, IGNORE the hell out of them

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conectate:

OK cu and many thanks

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justinh:

there's a lot of half-baked info out there in internet land :)

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justinh:

heh that Intel junk is being reported on the BBC news site now

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wagnerrp:

intel junk?

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justinh:

their latest 'mythical convergence' pitch

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wagnerrp:

ah, their media processor

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justinh:

SoC for home TV stuff

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justinh:

mind you this might only be the 2nd play anybody's made.. whatever happened to Viiv ? ;)

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wagnerrp:

or Tegra?

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justinh:

never heard of Tegra

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justinh:

prolly as irrelevant as Viiv

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wagnerrp:

nvidia GPU+ARM

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wagnerrp:

supposedly the new Zune HD is a Tegra device

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RyeBrye:

to the guy wanting to use ssh to program the dvr...

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RyeBrye:

use lynx and hit mythweb on localhost

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justinh:

might be what the boss was working on a while back, or similar

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RyeBrye:

I've done it before

[07:16:18]

wagnerrp:

well thats hardly a good solution

[07:16:58]

RyeBrye:

it's not pretty, but I only had a terminal available and wanted to schedule a recording quickly. it worked.

[07:17:08]

justinh:

freenx over ssh.. different story :)

[07:19:01]

justinh:

rumour had it a certain mr mythtv was involved in the tegra demo ui

[07:25:23]

wagnerrp:

we have a mascot?

[07:25:58]

justinh:

the leader, as I remember it

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oobe:

whats wrong with ssh -X

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wagnerrp:

doesnt work too well over the internet

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justinh:

it's a bit crap over a home LAN tbh

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pak0:

good morning

[07:27:08]

pak0:

hi justinh, you remember me?

[07:27:12]

wagnerrp:

ive never had any much problem over 10/100

[07:27:17]

pak0:

about myth says my dvb-t is a dvb-s?

[07:27:19]

wagnerrp:

and its almost seamless over gigabit

[07:27:40]

pak0:

speaked with linuxtv people, jump to trunk version because they say is fixed on it

[07:27:49]

pak0:

and now i have error_open when i select my card xD

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justinh:

pak0: so stop mythbackend or any other apps using it

[07:28:21]

pak0:

i have it all closed

[07:28:31]

pak0:

how can i look for any more using my carD?

[07:28:37]

wagnerrp:

lsof

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pak0:

all process mythbackend stoped

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justinh:

is the user you run mythtv-setup as privileged enough to use the card?

[07:30:03]

pak0:

how can i tested?

[07:30:19]

wagnerrp:

ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0/

[07:31:27]

pak0:

http://pastebin.com/m473880d8

[07:31:43]

wagnerrp:

is your user in the 'video' group?

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pak0:

useradd: group video exists – if you want to add this user to that group, use -g

[07:34:10]

wagnerrp:

cat /etc/group | grep <your user>

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[Peter]:

or just 'groups'

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[Peter]:

as the user.

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pak0:

yes

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pak0:

still on video

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pak0:

what can i do?

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wagnerrp:

reboot?

[07:38:54]

pak0:

ill try it

[07:40:14]

pak0:

i have to buy another card, two days fighting with this kworld turned me crazy

[07:41:41]

pak0:

reboot finished

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justinh:

I don't get how updating your mythtv install to trunk borked the permissions

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pak0:

launch myth-setup with sudo on terminal?

[07:41:52]

pak0:

or only mythtv-setup

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pak0:

i dont know

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justinh:

just mythtv-setup by itself

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pak0:

kk

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pak0:

ERROR_OPEN

[07:43:06]

pak0:

but now says dvb-t finally not more dvb-s xD

[07:43:18]

justinh:

but is mythbackend still running?

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pak0:

i have to stoped frist?

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justinh:

yes, mythtv-setup even tells you that. FFS man

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pak0:

and killall process about mythbackend ok'

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RyeBrye:

wait. obvious dialog is obvious?

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pak0:

nothing

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pak0:

error_open

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** RyeBrye head explodes, goes to bed **

[07:45:28]

pak0:

captain obvious yes, but my card still error_open

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: get it right, its 'asplodes'

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pak0:

good night

[07:46:10]

** RyeBrye gets it right. **

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pak0:

i can see what process is using my card?

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pak0:

i have all closed

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wagnerrp:

lsof

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pak0:

lol

[07:47:46]

pak0:

i`m stupid

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pak0:

tvhead using my card

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pak0:

sorry about my problem

[07:48:00]

wagnerrp:

tvhead?

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pak0:

yes, yesterday i tryed tvheadend with xbmc

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pak0:

looking for channels now

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pak0:

work great

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pak0:

why when i scan now i cant find hd channels? or why mythtv dont find channel 1 or 2, and tvheadend find it this channels?

[07:49:45]

pak0:

its for time out option reallly?

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RyeBrye:

1 TB seagate 7200.12's for $79 in newegg's weekend deal

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pak0:

lol, failed to find channels

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: thats not much of a deal

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RyeBrye:

no, not a huge deal. just $10 off their normal price

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wagnerrp:

looks like there are four other drives at that same price

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wagnerrp:

two of which are 7200rpm

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wagnerrp:

and a WD Green for $85

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RyeBrye:

the 7200.12 is 7200rpm

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pak0:

i can buy seagate 1,5TB for 85?

[07:53:21]

wagnerrp:

so are the spinpoint F3 and hitachi drives

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wagnerrp:

pak0: cheapest ive seen for those is $100

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RyeBrye:

Is the 1.5TB for $85 one of those 5900 ones?

[07:54:23]

wagnerrp:

there is no 1.5 for $85

[07:54:40]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I see one for $109 – but not $85

[07:55:20]

pak0:

i live in spain

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wagnerrp:

looks like Joseph Owor, Deen of Faculty of Business Administration at the Uganda Christian University has an urgent business proposal for one of the FreeBSD mailing lists

[07:56:41]

pak0:

i can buy it for 85 and 16% of taxes

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wagnerrp:

so you mean euro, not dollars

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pak0:

yes, euro

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pak0:

if you see what i say, i added ? simbol xD

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pak0:

no $ xD

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gbee:

so Intel have announced an Atom with built into gpu and video decoding, guess we can expect to see even cheaper/smaller alternatives to the ION stuff

[09:00:28]

gbee:

I might be late to this subject, news is at least 24 hours old

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gbee:

oh and it supports encoding too, unlike the ION

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pak0:

i want to buy another card tv for my mythtv, any suggest for use it with 2 tuners and support for hd?

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justinh:

pak0: there is no 'support for HD' in tuners as such

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justinh:

all DVB & ATSC/QAM tuners do is pass streams they receive into software. It doesn't matter if the stream is SD or HD. All that matters is that the tuner can receive the signals correctly

[09:38:41]

justinh:

as for which tuner to buy next – look in the linuxtv.org wiki before you spend any money :)

[09:38:50]

pak0:

yes

[09:39:27]

pak0:

my kworld supports hd, but is curiosus, on mythtv i can wathc hd channels but dont ear nothing, and, on xbmc using mythtv can watch and ear lol

[09:39:41]

pak0:

but dont like wathc tv on xbmc, have poor support on this moment

[09:39:45]

justinh:

then that is not the tuner's fault

[09:39:53]

justinh:

*obviously*

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pak0:

finally works my kworld do you know justin?

[09:40:07]

justinh:

figures

[09:40:18]

pak0:

no more errors, but now i can find channels, timeout problem, later i try to solved it

[09:40:21]

pak0:

thx for your support

[09:41:14]

justinh:

if mythtv isn't playing the audio from your HD channels maybe the audio streams are a new type mythtv doesn't know about yet – or you've not configured your audio correctly. we'll need to see the output from mythfrontend -v playback when you try to play a HD recording

[09:43:06]

justinh:

whoah. nvidia-settings source is available? neat-o

[09:43:40]

justinh:

maybe soon, apps will be able to control video outputs on nvidia cards themselves :)

[09:47:59]

justinh:

Hmmm. All the goodies seem to be in NVCtrl.h :)

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justinh:

still no positioning control though. Meh

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gbee:

nvidia are still way behind ATi on positioning

[09:50:04]

justinh:

maybe they just don't have the registers

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justinh:

looking at the stuff exposed in that .h file it'd be logical to put positioning controls in there if they had registers for em

[09:51:05]

Dibblah:

WTF?

[09:51:10]

justinh:

then again why do I even care? Next time I have nvidia hardware will be when I upgrade my TV. And that's some way off

[09:51:12]

Dibblah:

A theme just appeared.

[09:51:16]

Dibblah:

Pop and it's there.

[09:51:20]

Dibblah:

That doesn't happen.

[09:51:32]

justinh:

didn't appear here :)

[09:51:45]

Dibblah:

People are *meant* to bitch and moan about the existing themes, then disappear!

[09:51:50]

Dibblah:

commits list

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justinh:

I'd better not say anything then

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gbee:

looking at the images it seems familiar, might have been some screenshots shown of it in here

[09:53:38]

gbee:

though the guy might kick himself, another week and the theming competition will be announced

[09:53:53]

Dibblah:

I cannot get to the no-ip address.

[09:53:59]

Dibblah:

Anyone have the IP?

[09:54:35]

gbee:

I grabbed it from trac, but as he notes, it's missing the background so that's not much use

[09:57:39]

gbee:

well that's a sweeping and inaccurate statement, what I meant to say is that it won't give an accurate impression of the finished product

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justinh:

fatal words: feedback & suggestions welcome

[09:59:11]

Dibblah:

I don't understand. A theme in <1Mbyte?

[09:59:24]

justinh:

anyway, my worst fears have been allayed. Nothing like Abstract of old :)

[09:59:32]

Dibblah:

http://www.adme.ru/paedia/tags/opel_corsa/

[09:59:33]

justinh:

so that's a big plus :)

[09:59:35]

Dibblah:

Oh, sorry.

[09:59:37]

Dibblah:

NSFW!

[09:59:43]

Dibblah:

Wrong window :(

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's very light on graphics

[10:00:03]

justinh:

and what there are seem very small

[10:00:28]

justinh:

and it's BLUE :(

[10:00:30]

Dibblah:

That's a good thing.

[10:00:52]

justinh:

on the plus side, it's nothing like any of my shite

[10:01:06]

Dibblah:

Oh – I probably won't like it, then ;)

[10:01:36]

justinh:

and the textareas seem aligned right & everything, so it's nothing like my half-arsed efforts

[10:01:41]

gbee:

might be a good alternative to Iulius

[10:02:17]

justinh:

I hate the fact I'm inexorably being drawn back in. I just can't ****ing help myself

[10:02:29]

gbee:

justinh: grab a screenshot? I've not tried it yet, just inspected the contents

[10:02:38]

justinh:

I can't cope with criticism, so I shouldn't even bother

[10:02:46]

justinh:

gbee: nah I inspected the contents too

[10:03:21]

gbee:

ahh, heh, when you said the textareas were aligned I thought you had installed it

[10:03:25]

justinh:

I'm filing it under "not a big fan but I appreciate & respect the effort put into it"

[10:04:01]

gbee:

still looks very familiar, I'm trying to decide whether I've seen those images before

[10:04:17]

justinh:

a lot of icons are borrowed from familiar KDE icon sets

[10:04:34]

justinh:

fair play, it's damn hard to find good off the shelf icons

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justinh:

let alone *relevant* ones.. hence all the self-drawn stuff you & iamlindoro do

[10:06:38]

justinh:

changed my mind about the ubuntu theme screenshots. It's close to what I had in mind for concept-wide but probably not near enough

[10:06:58]

gbee:

it was the widget images I was looking at, granted they aren't exactly ground breaking so that's probably why – world + dog is going with the same style these days

[10:07:50]

gbee:

many of the icons/images elsewhere either come from default themes or common icon sets as you've noted

[10:08:24]

justinh:

IMHO it's making images that takes the time. for all we know a lot of them might just be placeholders for now

[10:08:44]

gbee:

aye, still a lot of stuff missing from Terra

[10:08:47]

gbee:

a LOT

[10:09:54]

gbee:

that said, I want to finish Terra and move on, lots of new ideas I'd like to play out

[10:10:19]

justinh:

everything I want to do revolves around the stuff I was working on a few weeks ago

[10:10:42]

justinh:

my heart's just not into learning opengl shader stuff right now

[10:11:49]

justinh:

close that window. qtlook.txt was staring out at me. Shudder

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justinh:

Dibblah: anyway, I think the guy has the right approach. Not posting teasers (well he might've but I didn't see em) is a good idea :)

[10:15:47]

justinh:

it's too damn tempting to jump the gun though. You can't wait til it's finished, cos it's never finished

[10:18:34]

justinh:

as for a theming competition.. staying well clear of that. Even if the prize was one meeleeon dollars

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gbee:

heh, nah, we could only swing half a million

[10:31:03]

gbee:

besides which devs are excluded

[10:31:19]

gbee:

shame really, there is some nice kit on offer

[10:32:25]

gbee:

and it's not like I can expect much in the way of donations for my next theme when there will be a much larger choice of potentially better themes than I can create

[10:32:59]

gbee:

guess I'll have to join the bread lines ;)

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** Dibblah would do a theme. If he had time and talent. **

[10:50:41]

justinh:

how would I go about not being a dev anymore? :P

[10:51:46]

justinh:

oo I know. svn delete

[10:54:36]

justinh:

oh joy. Got some new product to 'upgrade'. Except it's not an upgrade really – more a make the hardware work by cutting tracks & lifting pins on TSSOP devices, then program the damn things with JTAG

[10:55:51]

justinh:

and then (shudder) I'll be the dept's resident 'expert' on the f'ing things meaning I'll be the guy the softies come to when they trash them

[10:56:46]

justinh:

s/trash them/change a setting & it screws the flash FS structure

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justinh:

you'd honestly think alarm bells would ring when you write to part of the flash when a setting changes – and it ruins the whole flash needing to be reprogrammed from scratch, eh

[11:05:04]

justinh:

imagine if you wrote to a file in a partition on a given device & the whole device needed to be set up again. I'd call that a bug but the driver guys here have different ideas

[11:12:19]

oobe:

wagnerrp, look at this 100% swap usage again this time no crashs http://pastebin.ca/1579047

[11:13:08]

oobe:

are there any known memory leaks in mythfrontend that need to be fixed?

[11:13:55]

justinh:

all known memory leaks are squished ASAP

[11:14:20]

justinh:

imaginary ones, like the ones the likes of Udo see – are considerably less urgent

[11:15:18]

mchou_:

oobe: there aint no way myth is responsible for your OOM

[11:15:21]

oobe:

but what can i do to fix this

[11:15:56]

mchou_:

dont install flash, for one

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mchou_:

or flash plugins

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mchou_:

load avg of 7.5

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mchou_:

that's just ridiculous

[11:17:28]

justinh:

aww but that means.. no Hula hoops, no yootoobs... wah!

[11:17:41]

mchou_:

who gives a shit

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mchou_:

flash is worse than virus

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oobe:

mythfrontend still uses 30 – 50 % ram

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mchou_:

it just rapes processors

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mchou_:

oobe: you oom issues are elsewhere

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mchou_:

your*

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oobe:

oom?

[11:20:03]

oobe:

out of memory

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

but like i said mythfrontend use's 30 – 50% ram

[11:20:37]

oobe:

which i think is quite a lot

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mzb:

oobe: top

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mzb:

O for sort

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mzb:

gkrellm is handy, too

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oobe:

i been editing my recordings and looks like i have a heap of mythtranscode processes which didnt die after a job completed

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oobe:

each is using 1.2% ram

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oobe:

i mean about 50

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snakedoc:

hi i have a Terratec Cinergy USB XS which has suddenly stopped working, i've checked a few logs and the same message keeps popping up: "MT2266 I2C read failed", can anyone help me out?

[11:25:07]

oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1579060

[11:26:26]

oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1579061

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pak0:

how can i set the correct permission to play dvd?

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pak0:

i have error on /dev/sr0 when i pluged one, and only have a recorder dvd

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pak0:

i think the problem is because i changed my br for one dvd

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pak0:

and i can see cdrom -> /dev/sr0

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mchou_:

pak0: there aint nothing wrong with that

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mchou_:

i/o erroes generally means bad HW

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mchou_:

errors*

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pak0:

no problem now

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pak0:

but when i press M crashes mythfrontend

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pak0:

lol

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pak0:

and now i have no sound on dvd

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pak0:

i have sound playing tv or mkv but no on dvd

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justinh:

heh. LaCie's LaCinema gadget has a non-sucky UI. Well, apart from the actual *usage* part of it, according to El Reg

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mzb:

oobe, check the max. number of jobs allowed to run (I think the default is 2)

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oobe:

on my system i have it set to 3

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oobe:

but what i think is happening is when i run a transcode job the job finishes but leaves an idle mythtranscode process behind

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oobe:

at the moment for the past few hours i have been scrolling thru my recordings and cutting out ads

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oobe:

since i have many recordings to edit thats why there are so many dormant mythtranscode processes that for some reason idle after completing a job

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justinh:

wow. such dedication to preserving entirely disposable material :)

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oobe:

i did a killall -9 mythtransode

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oobe:

but now im cutting out ads again

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oobe:

well see what happens when i keep going

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justinh:

bloody hell. that new theme, even with all the files is still shy of 3MB

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oobe:

which theme is that justinh

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justinh:

aww he could've uploaded a decent res screenshot

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justinh:

blue-abstract-wide

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justinh:

for trunk only

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oobe:

i never heard of it

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oobe:

do you have a linky

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justinh:

http://miroku.no-ip.com/mythtv/themes/blue-abstract.html

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oobe:

looks nice

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oobe:

some of the menu's are hard to scroll around in

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oobe:

and the fanart appears in mythvideo but none of the metadata

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justinh:

I'm not a fan of fanart yet. need to see it working properly on local content, not whizzed over the crap (in linux) wireless network

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oobe:

what do you mena

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oobe:

mean?

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oobe:

like how some images take a while to load even locally

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justinh:

until they're cached, sure

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justinh:

the initial loading is *really* slow on my wireless connection though :-\

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justinh:

in windows, speedy. In linux, it really sucks

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oobe:

i didnt think many people used wireless

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oobe:

my frontend use's wireless but doesnt really have what it takes to support graphite anyway so im using blootubelite on it instead

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justinh:

what?

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justinh:

oh wireless for mythtv you mean. it was my dev machine, using an nfs share

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oobe:

yeah

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oobe:

mine works ok but i would cable it if i had a choice

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oobe:

im using wireless-n

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justinh:

I get about 60kb/sec if I'm lucky in linux

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oobe:

i get around 6000Kb

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justinh:

and that's even in the same room as the router

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oobe:

its been ok lately but somtimes it can still crap out

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justinh:

wireless is ok for most things, but not where you need to be able to rely on it IMHO

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oobe:

thats not fast enought to stream video anyway?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

I was only messing around with ui code anyway

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oobe:

and you mentioned windows

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oobe:

do yo have a frontend running on windows?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

would never even bother

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[Peter]:

justinh: 60KB/s? I have no problems reaching 2MB/s

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justinh:

just mentioned it because it works *fine* in windows. the linux driver sucks

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justinh:

when I say 'sucks' I mean 'barely works'

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justinh:

not got the time or motivation to look into it either

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[Peter]:

everything that's not intel tends to be flakey when it comes to wireless in linux

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justinh:

it's ok for web browsing & crap though

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justinh:

which is ironic cos that tends to be what I mostly do in windows

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justinh:

well, that and audio apps like Ableton

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justinh:

sadly there are no A/V apps which even come close to those available for windows/mac on linux

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oobe:

i had a wireless card that worked poorly with native drivers so i switched to ndiswrapper and it fixed it

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oobe:

having said that ndiswrapper isnt ideal

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justinh:

I just used ubunut's restricted driver manager thing. trying to find a solution among the zillions of their forum pages was a nightmare

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oobe:

so getting back to my problem before has anyone heard of mythtranscode process idle for days after it completes a job im using trunk

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pak0:

when i scan for channels i have all time time out, no signal

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pak0:

nice, just find it 5 channels

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justinh:

"five channels is far more than enough" – J. Logie Baird

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resno:

hello guys, i recorded a show last night, does mythtv cut the commericals out?

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justinh:

if you set it to do so, and if it found commercials, and if it detected the boundaries correctly...

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justinh:

and if you've set it to automatically skip commercials on playback..

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resno:

does it cut the commericals from the video?

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justinh:

no

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resno:

ah, ok.

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justinh:

it puts markers in its database

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resno:

After it finished it started transcoding, if the video started getting jerky, is that a lack of processor speed or need for an improved tuner? or ram?

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resno:

not sure if you will know

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justinh:

without knowing anything about what format you transcoded it to.. or anything...

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resno:

I am trying to find where my weak spot is.

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iamlindoro:

Heh... new theme borrows Graphite's buttons

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resno:

i think its great how light mythtv is!

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** justinh marks em down for that **

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iamlindoro:

naw, s'ok, it's not too bad at all

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resno:

oh, about power saving mods.

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iamlindoro:

actually, borrows the buttonlists altogether AFAICT

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resno:

how do i make it go into power save if its not being used?

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justinh:

resno: how can we make you start reading some docs yourself? Like over at wiki.mythtv.org

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iamlindoro:

It's still a fairly pleasant layout and the text is nicely aligned and all that so far

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resno:

justinh: touche...

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justinh:

iamlindoro: tiny graphics though :(

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justinh:

still better than any of my efforts, if only because of the textarea definitions

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iamlindoro:

I'd want to check on the pedigree of his background, personally

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iamlindoro:

have a feeling it may have come from some wallpaper site that's not-exactly-GPL

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justinh:

GPL is bloody useless for image files

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iamlindoro:

thus the need to create them oneself

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iamlindoro:

I have no problem w/ him borrowing Graphite element's for his theme, just don't want any improperly obtained images to inadvertantly end up in there

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justinh:

all this talk of themes is depressing now

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iamlindoro:

heh... why?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: graphite's buttons? That might explain why they looked so familiar

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gbee:

iamlindoro: because he's being sucked back in

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

woiew, seems the background is 2.6 MB :)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, seems it's graphite's buttons, the main menu layout is definitely from one of the other themes-- maybe Grayhem?

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iamlindoro:

(just looking at it now)

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gbee:

a Frankenstein then?

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oobe:

do you find using that theme that its hard to see what you have selected when scrolling thru menu's?

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oobe:

or is it just me

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oobe:

maybe i have to change somthing in appearance

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gbee:

not that it's a bad thing, but I personally want to see some truely original stuff

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Not per se-- I don't think his use of other elements is too over the top, and the layout is generally solid

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iamlindoro:

definitely makes very heavy use of Graphite's buttons, and a fair number of default icons

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iamlindoro:

but there's some originality there too

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wombo:

which theme is this? (just joined chan)

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iamlindoro:

blue-abstract. See -commits

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dustybin:

is there a link between _TERRIBLE_ hand writing and computer nerds?

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wombo:

back when I was at school my writing was described by my teacher as 'Its looks like a chicken has walked over your page and then shat on it'

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iamlindoro:

"Blue abstract theme that is based on the graphite and blootube themes."

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iamlindoro:

awww, god bless 'im for the credit

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shadash:

Is that release I smell? Smells like 22... getting close :-)

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iamlindoro:

All in all, I'd say he's done a pretty good job so far

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shadash:

I can't belive it

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shadash:

myth is getting ready for a new release

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gbee:

wait, what?

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shadash:

I should go out and buy lottery tickets becasue I think hell is freezing over

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iamlindoro:

gbee, ?

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shadash:

Actually if 22 is right around the corner it's going to work out great. My wife and I are moving to a new place next month. Seems like the perfect excuse to set up a new system + all new hardware from scratch.

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shadash:

I'm very excit!

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oobe:

i just noticed jamu.py -MW uses tmdb for some tv shows and tvdb for some movies by mistake

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tmkt:

anyone running the latest mytbunbuntu 9.10 alpha?

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pak0:

the status of my backend says i have 4 encoders, but i only have one dvb-t with 2t

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pak0:

i have to add it two times on mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

oobe: That's not a script error, it can only make a "best guess" based on guide data

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oobe:

fair enough

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Jamu -MW assumes a movie when the show has no subtitle but if that fails to find anything it will try TVDB. So you actually get a test from both sources.

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: I would love to see an example of a check of tvdb for a movie. Maybe it was a movie not found on tmdb so tvdb was checked just in case.

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oobe:

do you want me to pastebin the output

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Did you try actually *going* to page 8?

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: Ummm... :-)

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yfaykya:

Wife wrestled myth off me

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iamlindoro:

rhetorical question, I know the answer ;)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, settings in question *are* on page 8

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iamlindoro:

page 4 is TMDB, the change affects TVDB

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yfaykya:

ok :-)

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** yfaykya feels really really silly **

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iamlindoro:

It's okay, was worth having on the mailing list

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iamlindoro:

since any legacy trunk user needs to change those settings to get the best image downloads

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pak0:

where can i find the ignore timeout option?

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iamlindoro:

Erik is back :)

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meshe:

iamlindoro: what did you pay for your 2TB drives and which brand/model did you go for?

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iamlindoro:

meshe: WD Green and ~200ish 9but mostly bought over time

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meshe:

yeah, they are about 2x the cost of 1.5s

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meshe:

the cheapest are $250 here

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pak0:

i cant find the ignore timeout option

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pak0:

i only can get 5 channels and sometime nothing

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janneg:

pak0: depends on the scan type, but you could also just increase the signal/channel timeout in the capture card setup

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pak0:

lol

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jams:

woohoo go my cast taken off this morning, now it's a few more weeks in a supportive boot. But at least that can be taken off.

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pak0:

its on wiki page that?

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pak0:

just find it the option for timeout

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pak0:

when i select another way for scan

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pak0:

but no new channels fin it =/

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pak0:

i will try with import channels.conf

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pak0:

kaffeine works fine with that

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pak0:

well, finally works import channels,conf

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iamlindoro:

jams: So what have we learned about kicking walls when we're angry?

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jams:

heh nothing so dramatic

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jams:

nothing broken..just surgery to remove a tumor

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pak0:

how many time need myfilldatabasE?

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iamlindoro:

oh, well, sure, make me feel bad

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iamlindoro:

pak0: Is that a trick question? As many times as you want your listings filled.

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iamlindoro:

all mythfilldatabase does is pull in SD or XMLTV program listings

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pak0:

finally works

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jams:

although i swear the PA needs a lesson is patient care. She is like two year old with shiny thing. ooh that looks like it hurts let me poke at it for now reason

[16:26:15]

pak0:

but, i cant scan all channels, i only find 10 of 24

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pak0:

now work, lol, and now find channels, i dont know why

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oobe:

pak0, have you tried making a channels.conf file for mythtv-setup to use?

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oobe:

that is if you using dvb-*

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pak0:

yes

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pak0:

just update, now i have 32 channels

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pak0:

but i cant leave from mythtv-setup

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pak0:

all time when i press "ESC" says: remeber to run myfilldatabase bla bla bla", i press ok, but nothing works xD

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Shadow__X:

pak0: rtm

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pak0:

rtm?

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Shadow__X:

from pages 0

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Shadow__X:

Read The Manual

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Shadow__X:

to EOF

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pak0:

??

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iamlindoro:

pak0: He is suggesting that you read the manual, since you are asking questions about very very basic myth concepts

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iamlindoro:

especially if you are running development code, you *really* ought to make yourself familiar with how myth works...

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: maybe there should be a pin to access dev code thats only in the manual

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Shadow__X:

just a thought

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pak0:

apologize about my answers

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Shadow__X:

alot of people become over eager to run bleeding edge before thinking what the really entails

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Soory was away for a bit. Sure pastebin the output.

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oobe:

RDV_Linux, i rebooted so i am running it again may not be the same but most likely will

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meshe:

that's kind of like the default squid config file, it has exit commands in multiple places forcing you to read it at least the first time or squid won't start

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RDV_Linux:

np I am actually leaving to install new drivers so do not post anything for me until I return or I will miss it,

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oobe:

RDV_Linux i relise you just left but i think this is funny http://pastebin.ca/1579305

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oobe:

since your not here theres no point in telling you i will repeat when u return

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oobe:

RDV_Linux http://pastebin.ca/1579305

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oobe:

im about to do the same brb

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gizmobay:

I can't get mythtv trunk to compile with alsa output on ubuntu. What dep am I missing? I have alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss.

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lcase:

alsa-dev

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gizmobay:

I don't have that package

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lcase:

there must be -devel packages, but i don't know ubuntu

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Josh_Borke:

maybe it's like alsa headers or something

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lcase:

its libasound2-dev just searched google "ubuntu alsa devel"

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gizmobay:

thanks I just found it on google to

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ForsGump:

lcase beat me to it

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lcase:

;)

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ForsGump:

i just looked in my debian/control file to see the deps for building myth

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ForsGump:

:)

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ForsGump:

i've spun my own debs on occasion

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: The pastebin you gave me looked as expected. The "The Italian Job" was treated like a TV show instead of a movie is because the TV listing source did not have a year for the movie. Jamu uses the year information to identify the version of the movie. In the end it jamu does a pretty fair job of guessing. Consider the -MW option as an added extra not an essential.

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oobe:

totally im not knocking it

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oobe:

was just curious

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oobe:

every time i transcode somthing after the job finishes the proces remains dorment

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oobe:

mythtv 2624 0.0 1.3 124148 27156 ? S 04:09 0:00 /usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 4125 -V 3 -p 27

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oobe:

after a few days of uptime there are loads of mythtranscodes laying dormant eating up ram unless i kill them

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Dagmar:

Oh well

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wagnerrp:

seems samba does not like directories with ':' in them

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt even come close to the right name

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Does it translate them to a windows-legal character, or just completely drop the ball?

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wagnerrp:

windows cannot handle directories with ':'

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wagnerrp:

so it comes up with everything before the character, and then gibberish

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yikes... I don't know if it will work or apply, but there's apparently an option called: mangled names = no

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: According to the page I was reading, it will generate 'mangled names' for any directory that contains characters that are invalid for winblows... Not sure what the setting changes the behavior to do...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i just worked around it with a symlink for now

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wagnerrp:

didnt want to bother looking at that stuff (i knew it existed but not quire sure how it works)

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stahnma:

is there a preferred hdtv capture card for US-based mythtv installations? I have my eye on the pchdtv-hd-5500, but can certainly be steered toward other options

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wagnerrp:

what re you capturing from?

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jduggan:

depends on your feed

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jduggan:

^yea as per wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

youve got broadcast, youve got cable, youve got satellite

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wagnerrp:

all three use different methods of capture

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Dagmar:

"halp me i kant use googles"

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wagnerrp:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

personally, i liked the one on the ML who basically wanted someone to build him a system

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wagnerrp:

and didnt understand the concept of english

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stahnma:

I think mostly OTA, but I may end up using some cable

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wagnerrp:

OTA, you want an ATSC tuner

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wagnerrp:

the hd-5500 will work just fine, but is really a bit expensive

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wagnerrp:

the upside being it is the only tuner with official linux support

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wagnerrp:

for cable, you have QAM (with limited success due to encrypted channels), firewire (with limited success due to encrypted channels), and the HDPVR (which cannot be encrypted because it captures the component output from your STB)

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wagnerrp:

most ATSC tuners can also tune QAM

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stahnma:

ok. I've done some reading on the mythtv wiki and the 5500 looked like a good choice.

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stahnma:

I am most concerned about driver support, both now and moving forward

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stahnma:

in the past i've used standard def pvr-350/250 cards and had pretty good luck with it

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wagnerrp:

see linuxtv.org for driver support

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehehe... I love Robert Johnson's reply in the -users "Is NVIDIA worth the bother?" thread... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

... I was simply going to reply with "You paid for your NVidia driver? Dude, you got ripped off!" ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(Johnny must be a defense lawyer...)

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stinger151:

someone has mythweb on latest trunk running?

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mag0o:

i have it running on 21949

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stinger151:

are the covers working?

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mag0o:

covers for videos?

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stinger151:

yes

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mag0o:

let me check

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stinger151:

ok thx

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iamlindoro:

Should work fine assuming you're not hoping they're load w/ Storage Group hosted images

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iamlindoro:

they'll

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stinger151:

in mythvideo i see the covers for videos

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iamlindoro:

That is not relevant to my point :)

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stinger151:

does mythvideo support storage group?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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stinger151:

for mine it is

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stinger151:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Are you using someone's packaged trunk?

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stinger151:

svn

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iamlindoro:

meaning you compiled it youself?

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stinger151:

yes

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mag0o:

yes, i see my video covers in mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Then if you are using local mount mode for images and videos in mythvideo, images should work fine in mythweb

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stinger151:

i am using /media/esata/hdtv....

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stinger151:

and /home/username/Covers

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stinger151:

but

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stinger151:

i can only set this in mythtv-setup

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stinger151:

where to set in frontend?

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iamlindoro:

If you set it in mythtv-setup, then you're using storage groups...

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stinger151:

yes i know

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stinger151:

but where in frontend

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iamlindoro:

Video settings, predictably

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sigkill_:

hey, wrt storage groups etc, its possible for 'unwatched' recordings to store somewhere and after theyve been watched, move to another drive/partition?

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shadash:

that would be a neat feature or compression of recordings after they've been watched

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sigkill_:

ideally i want to keep unwatched media on raided system then move it to normal storage that i dont care so much for once its watched

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sigkill_:

shadash, compression can be achieved with user jobs + transcoding to xvid or whatever

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shadash:

Im sure it can

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sigkill_:

you could even compress it befor eyou watch it :)

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iamlindoro:

no, you cannot move watched recordings presently

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sigkill_:

ok no problem

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wagnerrp:

where exactly is 'watched' stored

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt seem to be accessible over the backend protocol

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iamlindoro:

for videos, or recordings?

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wagnerrp:

recordings

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iamlindoro:

in videometadata, there's a watched boolean

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iamlindoro:

dunno about recordings

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iamlindoro:

recorded->watched

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wagnerrp:

im just surprised its not one of the 47 fields returned by 'QUERY_RECORDING' and friends

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wagnerrp:

i mean it has practically everything else in there

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wagnerrp:

looks like it is a field in 'recorded'

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wagnerrp:

but a tinyint(4) for some reason

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iamlindoro:

Ooooooooh, Dollhouse night!

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iamlindoro:

Looks like the only "popular" show running against it is "Medium," maybe it'll help

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Dagmar:

Good thing you said something

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'll always prefer readability and brevity over obsessive optimisation, code first has to be maintainable by others – it might cut down compile times and binary sizes to bury everything in private classes and namespaces etc but the cost is too high IMHO

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gbee:

and that's not a dig at any particular dev, but there are plenty of examples of dense and almost impenetrable code in the tree

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gbee:

some of it so obscured that it almost seems like the intent was to make it untouchable to anyone but the author

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gbee:

so if you can make your code accessible, then you'll always find me on your side :p

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gbee:

I'd probably rather code that reads like it was written by a child in simple sentences than a novel by James Joyce – latter might be literary perfection but takes a thousand pages to tell a story so simple than it might be condensed to one

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Dagmar:

Good luck with that

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Dagmar:

I've brought that particular issue up before

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Dagmar:

Things invariably devolve in one of two ways

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Dagmar:

Some people will act persomally offended that you might have possibly implied that their code is less than readable, let alone utterly uncommented

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Dagmar:

Some people will want to argue that comments are unnecessary if you know the language.

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_ben:

mm

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Dagmar:

...and the latter form usually devolves further as said person tries to cite an example of breathtaking stupidity.

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_ben:

Interesting conversation!

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Dagmar:

Comments like "# This line prints the answer"

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gbee:

sometimes comments are unnecessary (though still useful) if you use clear variable, method and class naming, that's often not the case

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gbee:

my personal pet hate is people who name strings 's'

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_ben:

Seeing mythtv is meant to be a hobby thing it'd be nice if those who aren't coders can mess with code easily to achieve what they want

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Dagmar:

These people should be forced to deal with Eggdrop for extended periods of time

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gbee:

200 lines later, I'm expected to remember what 's' contains?

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Dagmar:

Then they'd freaking learn

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Dagmar:

idx and ptr are used as "obvious" variables in pairs of nested loops all over

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Dagmar:

However, if you assume anything about their meaning you are screwed because there's four permutations on that, and you'll find all four doing relatively the same thing

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Dagmar:

idx could be the outer, ptr could be the inner, or vice-versa

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Dagmar:

etc etc'

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gbee:

yeah, it even violates the coding standards which explicitly calls for clear naming :/

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Dagmar:

This is all walking through the _same struct_ too

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Dagmar:

Back when it was finally noticed that the swedes have a slightly different view of uppercase and lowercase I wrote a patch for Eggdrop to make it comply with the RFC

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Dagmar:

I was in a hurry, and I just scribbled in a placeholder name

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Dagmar:

er when attributing the original author, just to make damn sure the code behaved exactly as the RFC and ircII specified

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Dagmar:

I typed in "Otto Harkonnen"

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Dagmar:

Forgot to fix it.

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Dagmar:

A YEAR LATER it was still there

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Dagmar:

So now we're literally to the point where it's commonly accepted that people won't comment for crap, and people are assuming comments will be crap and not even looking closely at them

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android60:

when i try to run mythfilldatabase, it connects find then says "Current Schema Version: 1233" then on the next line "killed" and does not actually update anything

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android60:

1244**

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Dagmar:

Don't mix and match versions

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android60:

Dagmar: are you talking to me?

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Dagmar:

No I'm just talking to myself.

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android60:

...

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Dagmar:

Use the same version of mythtv on everything that's talking to the database

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Dagmar:

Older/newer versions will fail because of incompatible changes to the schema, among other thigns

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android60:

I am using the same version

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Dagmar:

Then file a bug report against trunk

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dustybin:

i need to learn how to script in BASH, but first, i need to master regex

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_ben:

well, its not hard

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dustybin:

'^_ben'

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Dagmar:

String must begin with "_ben"

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Dagmar:

^ binds the match to the start of the string

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Dagmar:

$ binds it to the end of the string.

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dustybin:

master regex > master BASH > master python

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dustybin:

that is my plan

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Dagmar:

"^_ban$" then somewhat obviously means the string must ONLY contain "_ben" and nothing else

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dustybin:

'[Dd]agmar'

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Dagmar:

Case insensitive match of "dagmar" anywhere in teh string.

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_ben:

Dagmar: fail :p

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Dagmar:

Basic regexps are easy and they're all most people will need

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dustybin:

'da.mar'

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Dagmar:

It's my freaking name.

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Dagmar:

Therefore its' a proper name

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Dagmar:

Either way, you're the newbs who still need to learn regexp

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Dagmar:

Don't make me get out my army of ninja toothpick leaners on you

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dustybin:

perl / jarva / python / c / c++ all have slightly different syntax for regex

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Dagmar:

They all have slightly different extentions to it

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

...and the moment you step into i18n space, almost all string matches go straight to hell the way you "used" to do them.

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Dagmar:

Things like /[Dd]agmar/ go straight to hellishly incorrect the moment i18n gets involved

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Dagmar:

Particularly things like [a-zA-Z] which people like to use to refer to alphabetical characters, case-insensitive, fails utterly for anything but ASCII

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

You then have to switch to using [:alpha:] with a modifier, or any number of other extensions like \w or \D

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Dagmar:

Just try not to think about it while you're learning the baics tho or you'll be calling a depression hotline before the week is out

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dustybin:

the thought of being fluent in regex, bash and python excites me

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meshe:

dustybin: http://regexlib.com/DisplayPatterns.aspx

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dustybin:

meshe: interesting

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meshe:

it's a great site for finding/learning/testing regexes

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dustybin:

i like it

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meshe:

dustybin: http://books.google.ca/books?id=NYEX-Q9evKoC& . . . &f=false

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iamlindoro:

Mwah hahaha

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1579743

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iamlindoro:

Or perhaps more interestingly: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1579744

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iamlindoro:

note the time elapsed ;)

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iamlindoro:

Also note how it guessed accurately... hee hee

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meshe:

nice :)

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iamlindoro:

Will be a .23 feature, but at least I'm confident I can at least make it happen pretty shortly here

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iamlindoro:

It's already working properly, I just need to implement a way of signaling the batch to increment only when each query finishes

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iamlindoro:

because ATM I'm just kicking off all the jobs at once which doesn't work very well

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PMantis:

Hi guys. I have a (potentially) dumb question. What determines which backend is the master backend, if the database is on a separate dedicated database server?

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android60:

what table in mythconverg holds the channel info?

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PMantis:

"channel" :)

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android60:

heh ok thanks

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android60:

shoulda look first :X

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