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| [01:05:02] | oobe: | iamlindoro, i fixed the problem with some of my fanart or banners being dloaded as html by chaning the address in ttvdb.py |
| [01:05:57] | iamlindoro: | oobe, Yes, their mirror is experiencing trouble-- please do not share the workaround (I know it also) |
| [01:06:48] | dashcloud: | what exactly do the scan existing transports and full scan of existing transports do? (and how do they compare to the other scanning options?) |
| [01:06:55] | iamlindoro: | They have asked specifically that people not do that, as a) it puts all the load on their core server and b) will stop working when their mirror is fully operational again and they start requiring that that address have a specific referrer |
| [01:07:17] | iamlindoro: | They turned the referrer requirement off for now since the mirror is having issues |
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| [01:09:02] | wagnerrp: | im going to have to seriously consider getting an antenna |
| [01:09:12] | wagnerrp: | if for no other reason than to test bandwidth |
| [01:09:26] | wagnerrp: | im getting 11.5mbps and 13.6mbps |
| [01:10:27] | oobe: | oh ok thanks for letting me know |
| [01:10:46] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [01:44:40] | Josh_: | um, Woot? I think? |
| [01:45:10] | Josh_: | "Effective Sept. 22, 2009, Comcast customers will need to have a digital converter box in order to receive Cartoon Network" |
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| [01:50:24] | Josh_: | Mabye Comcast Houston is migrating to QAM for their analog cable signal |
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| [01:57:08] | Josh_: | Comcast Houston will be making the following changes to its channel line-up: Effective 9/22/09 Cartoon Network will move from Standard Cable service to Digital Starter cable service and will air on channel 349 in addition to channel 22. Effective 9/15/09 Style and Style HD will move from Digital Preferred cable service to Digital Starter cable service and will continue to air on channels 340 and 683 respectively. Effective 9/29/09 |
| [01:57:08] | Josh_: | NBA TV HD will be added to the line-up on channel 602 and will be included with Digital Starter cable service. |
| [01:57:44] | Josh_: | so I'm paying the same price for less content, and if I want the same level of content as before I need to pay more money, gotcha. |
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| [04:10:17] | jst_home: | Captain_Murdoch: ? |
| [04:13:09] | wagnerrp: | jst_home: what do you need? |
| [04:13:45] | jst_home: | wagnerrp: oh, I was going to let Captain_Murdoch know that I found and fixed a deadlock that him and I were talking about yesterday |
| [04:13:53] | jst_home: | filing ticket now |
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| [04:25:20] | purefusion: | sooo, I know there's mythbuntu... but is there a guide somewhere for manual setup as well? |
| [04:25:38] | wagnerrp: | that would be... on the mythtv website |
| [04:25:49] | wagnerrp: | theres the official guide, and then theres a second guide on the wiki |
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| [04:26:06] | purefusion: | ah, right on |
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| [04:28:51] | ** purefusion starts from the beginning ** | |
| [04:31:45] | purefusion: | as an aside, any chance I can get a VM running of mythbuntu? or are there potential hardware pitfalls with doing something like that? |
| [04:32:24] | wagnerrp: | first... what are your reasons for running a VM? |
| [04:32:50] | purefusion: | there would be a couple |
| [04:32:50] | wagnerrp: | because in most cases, they are wrong |
| [04:33:33] | purefusion: | one could be to run windows as my main machine (except that I'm in the process of moving to ubuntu full time, now) |
| [04:33:57] | purefusion: | another would be to run beta versions of myth-tv |
| [04:33:59] | wagnerrp: | you *can* run the backend in a VM, to run it under windows |
| [04:34:06] | purefusion: | ok |
| [04:34:15] | wagnerrp: | but the only tuner you would be capable of using is the HDHR |
| [04:34:27] | wagnerrp: | performance is too low to try to run the frontend in a VM under windows |
| [04:34:28] | purefusion: | oh :/ |
| [04:34:58] | wagnerrp: | as for running a beta version of mythtv, better option would be to run it in a chroot, or vserver |
| [04:35:02] | purefusion: | HDHR doesn't work with my analogue cable goodness :P |
| [04:35:24] | wagnerrp: | unless you have to run a separate kernel (or OS), there is very little reason to use a full VM |
| [04:35:34] | purefusion: | hmmm, never ran a chroot or vserver before |
| [04:35:40] | purefusion: | sounds interesting/useful though |
| [04:35:56] | wagnerrp: | chroot is very simple |
| [04:36:00] | purefusion: | I suppose that would be a linux-only approach? |
| [04:36:15] | wagnerrp: | it does nothing more than set a new virtual root somewhere in your file system |
| [04:36:35] | wagnerrp: | as such, it has no concept of security, and you use the normal network stack |
| [04:36:49] | purefusion: | right, no worries there |
| [04:36:59] | purefusion: | I'm the only user on this machine |
| [04:37:08] | wagnerrp: | a vserver runs in a partitioned memory space on the existing kernel, with its own file root and dedicated IP |
| [04:38:58] | purefusion: | what's the suggested minimum memory for running just the backend? ...still 256MB? or less? |
| [04:39:20] | wagnerrp: | a dedicated backend, with nothing else running, 256 is an absolute minimum |
| [04:39:31] | wagnerrp: | 512 would be better |
| [04:39:53] | wagnerrp: | a dedicated frontend, with nothing else running, 384 is an absolute minimum |
| [04:40:05] | wagnerrp: | beyond those limits, youre going to start heavily swapping under normal use |
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| [04:45:36] | purefusion: | how about for a backend with stuff like commercial editing and video conversion? |
| [04:46:36] | purefusion: | I have 8GB, but want to save as much as possible for other uses (though that probably just stems from Windows's ability to eat up all 8GB and then some...) |
| [04:46:59] | wagnerrp: | that wont be a problem |
| [04:47:06] | purefusion: | perhaps ubuntu/linux has a better handle on efficient use of ram |
| [04:47:17] | wagnerrp: | (because of the aforementioned reasons that you wont be running mythbackend in a VM under windows) |
| [04:47:32] | purefusion: | wagnerrp: I'm talking about if I go the vserver route, as I assume I'd need to dedicate the memory? |
| [04:48:01] | wagnerrp: | no, if you are using a vserver, all memory is shared between all applications |
| [04:48:10] | purefusion: | ah, gotcha |
| [04:48:16] | purefusion: | so it takes more, as needed |
| [04:48:35] | wagnerrp: | the only difference is that with a vserver, it is in an isolated memory space, so you cannot share libraries between the spaces |
| [04:48:53] | wagnerrp: | you end up with two copies of the shared libraries |
| [04:49:21] | purefusion: | is a vserver the same thing as a VPS? I see tons of VPS offerings online, and they'll usually specify some limit of ram, iirc... |
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| [04:51:42] | wagnerrp: | VPS implementations can be either software virtualization (vserver, xen, openvz) or hardware virtualization (vmware, ms virtual server, xen) |
| [04:51:57] | wagnerrp: | depends on who designed the system |
| [04:52:54] | purefusion: | so a VM is hardware virtualization? |
| [04:53:12] | wagnerrp: | no, it means the hardware itself is virtualized |
| [04:53:22] | wagnerrp: | you run on a virtual machine |
| [04:53:54] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to software virtualization, which is merely an isolated environment |
| [04:54:12] | wagnerrp: | also known as a container or jail |
| [04:54:35] | wagnerrp: | not to be confused with a chroot jail which is nothing more than a (barely) isolated file system |
| [04:55:22] | purefusion: | heh, I've heard of that in correlation to servers |
| [04:55:54] | purefusion: | jailing ssh users... fun times |
| [04:55:54] | wagnerrp: | seems its raining... |
| [04:57:04] | purefusion: | so with software virtualization, the container has uninhibited/direct access to the hardware without the need for drivers other than what's already on the main root/system? |
| [04:57:49] | wagnerrp: | drivers are typically loaded as modules into the kernel, and since it is a shared kernel, the container will have whatever drivers the main system has loaded |
| [04:57:50] | purefusion: | as opposed to hardware being hidden, and faked by the VM software? |
| [04:58:04] | purefusion: | gotcha, makes sense |
| [04:58:10] | wagnerrp: | however there are usually filters available to restrict access to certain hardware |
| [04:58:18] | purefusion: | ah |
| [04:58:37] | wagnerrp: | usually, that would be all hardware, and you would have to manually allow access to the tuners |
| [04:59:05] | purefusion: | what would be all hardware? VM or VS? |
| [04:59:15] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [04:59:37] | purefusion: | oh, you're saying all hardware would have drivers |
| [04:59:59] | purefusion: | loaded drivers* |
| [05:00:39] | wagnerrp: | im saying a container would have access to all the kernel modules that the kernel has loaded, but it only has access to the hardware that you allow |
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| [05:01:22] | purefusion: | via the filters |
| [05:02:02] | wagnerrp: | on freebsd (with jails), you set up udev rules to pass device nodes over to the jail |
| [05:02:15] | wagnerrp: | using a linux blend of containers, i dont know how you do it |
| [05:02:37] | purefusion: | or are you saying it would have limited hardware access by default, and I'd need to manually create an entry somewhere saying 'container x can talk to hardware xx'? |
| [05:02:49] | wagnerrp: | very limited by default, yes |
| [05:02:54] | purefusion: | gotcha |
| [05:03:28] | purefusion: | so when you said 'manually access the tuners' you meant tuners TV tuners, not tuners meaning hardware restriction filters, yes? |
| [05:03:43] | purefusion: | manually allow access* |
| [05:04:01] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [05:04:24] | purefusion: | I think I'm good :P |
| [05:05:12] | purefusion: | initially wasn't sure if you decided to use 'tuners' in place of 'filters' (sometimes those terms are corelated) |
| [05:05:27] | purefusion: | but you meant the hardware tuners themselves |
| [05:05:39] | purefusion: | anyway... |
| [05:05:46] | wagnerrp: | i meant you would have to set up rules to allow access to hardware tuners |
| [05:06:27] | purefusion: | so, how might I go about setting up those rules? or is it different per distro? |
| [05:06:42] | wagnerrp: | its different per container implementation |
| [05:07:17] | wagnerrp: | there are several implementations of that concept in linux |
| [05:07:29] | purefusion: | does a chroot have similar issues? or is it a much simpler approach all the way around? |
| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | chroot is nothing more than a file system tool |
| [05:07:52] | wagnerrp: | containers are a security concept |
| [05:07:57] | purefusion: | gotcha |
| [05:08:09] | Dagmar: | Chroot just locks your process into that specific part of the filesystem, within limits. |
| [05:08:21] | purefusion: | what security issues might come up with a chroot approach? |
| [05:08:30] | wagnerrp: | you can easily break out of it |
| [05:08:39] | Dagmar: | It is not safe to have a process running in a chroot that is able to, for example, write directly to the disk |
| [05:08:54] | Dagmar: | ...because you can create a hardlink and get out |
| [05:09:05] | wagnerrp: | it is only designed to contain properly behaving programs |
| [05:09:07] | Dagmar: | If you want to sandbox a single app, get AppArmor |
| [05:09:26] | Dagmar: | Well, it was designed to contain improperly behaving non-root programs |
| [05:09:28] | purefusion: | and that would usually only be an issue with malware, more or less? |
| [05:09:37] | Dagmar: | malware? |
| [05:09:57] | Dagmar: | As long as you don't leave ssh open with stupid account names and passwords, malware is virtually nonexistant |
| [05:09:59] | purefusion: | or would running myth-tv in a chroot also pose a potential problem |
| [05:10:07] | Dagmar: | Just run it as non-root. |
| [05:10:10] | purefusion: | ok, wasn't sure |
| [05:10:18] | Dagmar: | It wasn't designed for a high-security environment in any way |
| [05:10:24] | wagnerrp: | you would run into problems if you want to have two different versions of mythtv running on the same system |
| [05:10:27] | Dagmar: | It's a DVR, not an ecommerce portal. |
| [05:10:39] | wagnerrp: | as they would compete over access to the same IP address |
| [05:10:43] | purefusion: | darn, I wanted to make some money on the side :P |
| [05:10:54] | purefusion: | wagnerrp: ahhh, that makes sense |
| [05:11:04] | wagnerrp: | you will have unavoidable issues with UPNP running multiple backends on one IP |
| [05:11:14] | Dagmar: | In theory you could bind them to specific interfaces, but it would still be fundamentally dim |
| [05:11:17] | wagnerrp: | but anything else, you can change the default ports so they will coexist |
| [05:12:53] | purefusion: | as an aside, does the upcoming version's frontend work with the existing version's backend? |
| [05:13:00] | wagnerrp: | never |
| [05:13:16] | purefusion: | k, just confirming... I think someone had mentioned that before |
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| [05:13:27] | Dagmar: | purefusion: There has been no fixed API between the frontend and backend for awhile |
| [05:13:35] | Dagmar: | Mismatched versions will generally fail |
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| [05:13:59] | wagnerrp: | having each version of the frontend and backend work backwards with every previous version of the socket protocol and database schemas would be a maintenance nightmare |
| [05:14:06] | purefusion: | how stable is the current trunk? j/w |
| [05:14:12] | Dagmar: | At some point the things that go on there will have steadied out into a few atomic tasks and someone will probably tidy it up, but at this point nah |
| [05:14:18] | wagnerrp: | prepping for a release in the next few weeks |
| [05:14:24] | wagnerrp: | best to just hold off until then |
| [05:14:33] | Dagmar: | Reminder: zero dot two version |
| [05:14:49] | Dagmar: | A number that low makes no promises |
| [05:15:09] | purefusion: | how difficult would an upgrade be from the trunk to the release? |
| [05:15:11] | Dagmar: | Beyond that it does work pertty well |
| [05:15:22] | Dagmar: | When trunk becomes 0.22? |
| [05:15:22] | wagnerrp: | depends on your database |
| [05:15:46] | wagnerrp: | err... trunk to release? any point before a schema bump in trunk would be painless |
| [05:16:02] | purefusion: | I figure, since I'm not running anything now, I wouldn't care if I lost some stuff due to issues/bugs... as long as it doesn't corrupt my entire system ;) |
| [05:16:11] | wagnerrp: | if trunk gets bumped, it will be difficult to revert back to the release version |
| [05:16:44] | purefusion: | oh, you mean if I used a trunk after the release of.. a release version |
| [05:17:02] | wagnerrp: | you wanted to start using trunk now, and switch to 0.22 when released, right? |
| [05:17:04] | purefusion: | doubt I would do that, just upgrade to the release when it's out |
| [05:17:10] | purefusion: | yep |
| [05:17:40] | wagnerrp: | well as said, as long as you switch to release before someone alters the database (and bumps the schema), you wont have any problems |
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| [05:18:15] | paperclip: | wootoff |
| [05:18:22] | purefusion: | does that mean using trunk without moving to the release will always use the latest version of the trunk? |
| [05:18:32] | wagnerrp: | great, another 24 hours of crap |
| [05:18:47] | wagnerrp: | it will always use the revision you have checked out |
| [05:19:29] | purefusion: | ok, so as long as I don't checkout the version bumped beyond release, I shouldn't have to worry about not being able to move to the release? |
| [05:19:46] | wagnerrp: | but if youre not keeping up with trunk, what is the purpose of running it? |
| [05:19:53] | purefusion: | heh, true |
| [05:20:04] | paperclip: | wagnerrp: it sometimes lasts for days |
| [05:20:26] | wagnerrp: | ok, so multiple days worth of crap |
| [05:20:29] | purefusion: | I just don't want to mess with the current release version :P |
| [05:20:38] | wagnerrp: | wootoffs were so much better when they didnt occur once every month |
| [05:20:48] | purefusion: | also wanted to develop a new theme |
| [05:21:00] | purefusion: | get started, anyway |
| [05:21:11] | paperclip: | true.. i'm thinking early christmas gifts |
| [05:21:30] | wagnerrp: | there are still a couple menus that have to be converted over, but most of the UI is finished (as far as it is going for 0.22) |
| [05:21:34] | purefusion: | wootoff, is that a woot.com thing? |
| [05:21:39] | wagnerrp: | un huh |
| [05:21:56] | wagnerrp: | instead of switching at midnight |
| [05:22:05] | purefusion: | I'm too poor to woot, ironically |
| [05:22:07] | wagnerrp: | they switch a couple minutes after the previous item sells out |
| [05:22:29] | purefusion: | gotcha, so it's a limited quantity rather than limited time deal |
| [05:22:48] | wagnerrp: | normal woot is a limited quantity |
| [05:23:06] | paperclip: | sometimes there are items that kill the wootoff |
| [05:23:06] | wagnerrp: | it just is usually high enough that they dont run out before the end of the day |
| [05:23:22] | wagnerrp: | as in they last for several hours without being sold out |
| [05:23:25] | Dagmar: | Man if you hadn't have mentioned that |
| [05:23:30] | paperclip: | heh |
| [05:23:38] | Dagmar: | Nevermind thta's the short lifespan battery one |
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| [05:23:45] | purefusion: | I'm an ecommerce developer by day, so I probably should know these things... but I've noticed these kinds of sites popping up a lot more, and even had a couple requests to develop sites that essentially do the same thing |
| [05:23:48] | purefusion: | more or less |
| [05:24:06] | Dagmar: | woot basically waits until they've got a lot of small lots and then flushes them all out at once in a woot off |
| [05:24:07] | paperclip: | there are a lot now.. |
| [05:24:14] | paperclip: | thing fling |
| [05:24:16] | wagnerrp: | they made an eepc with a short battery life? |
| [05:24:17] | paperclip: | onesale |
| [05:24:24] | paperclip: | and XP |
| [05:24:24] | purefusion: | backcountry |
| [05:24:27] | Dagmar: | Comparatively |
| [05:24:43] | Dagmar: | I'm waiting for one of the seven+ hour ones WITH FREAKING LINUX ON IT before I buy one |
| [05:25:14] | wagnerrp: | hell... my laptop (with new batteries) runs over 7 hours on battery |
| [05:25:20] | Dagmar: | woot also happens to be a good source for Roombas |
| [05:25:23] | purefusion: | one of the employees for backcountry had contacted me about an offshoot site, as he had permission from the employer to do his own deal-site... but they later renigged, so we had to call the project off |
| [05:25:33] | purefusion: | it was supposed to be for paintball gear |
| [05:25:41] | Dagmar: | Unless you have a maid, Roomba == WIN |
| [05:25:41] | paperclip: | that's my roomba |
| [05:26:09] | paperclip: | i got a new one for 150 on a regular woot |
| [05:26:16] | purefusion: | I haven't gotten a roomba yet, but does it actually do a decent job? |
| [05:26:21] | purefusion: | we have 4 cats :P |
| [05:26:22] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [05:26:24] | paperclip: | pretty much |
| [05:26:37] | paperclip: | you do want a newer one.. |
| [05:26:39] | Dagmar: | If you have berber carpet or wood floors, they rock |
| [05:26:40] | wagnerrp: | i can get power consumption down to ~12W with wireless running (~10W with ethernet), on a 100Wh battery |
| [05:26:47] | Dagmar: | Deep shag, they will work but they'll just be slow |
| [05:27:01] | purefusion: | ...and a Dyson, which is phenominal, if only it didn't require effort/maid-service |
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| [05:27:34] | Dagmar: | I have one that lives under my bed and vacuums the floor about every other day, after I've gone to work |
| [05:27:41] | wagnerrp: | or ~16W if im not concerned with conserving power (so long as im not hammering the CPU) |
| [05:28:13] | purefusion: | we need our carpets cleaned again |
| [05:28:15] | paperclip: | Dagmar: you have a scheduler? |
| [05:28:21] | wagnerrp: | of course its a 6lb beast, probably with less computing power than that 900MHz celeron |
| [05:28:23] | Dagmar: | I have a computer. |
| [05:28:43] | Dagmar: | ...but both of mine you can just program to run on a schedule through the buttons on the front |
| [05:28:46] | Dagmar: | er top |
| [05:28:51] | paperclip: | hmm |
| [05:28:52] | purefusion: | some of the roomba hacks have been interesting |
| [05:28:54] | Dagmar: | They literally all have serial ports |
| [05:29:03] | paperclip: | mine is supposed to have a remote |
| [05:29:12] | paperclip: | i'm too cheap to buy one |
| [05:29:23] | Dagmar: | I didn't even have to go that far tho. It's like programming in freaking morse code, but there's a lot of interesting little modes you can put them into |
| [05:29:23] | purefusion: | DIY sites like instructables have been known to be productivity leaches for me in the past, hehe |
| [05:29:38] | Dagmar: | ...and if it breaks, the test modes rock |
| [05:29:51] | paperclip: | hmm.. |
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| [05:30:13] | Dagmar: | Power it up holding this and pushing that, and it'll start a little routine testing everything |
| [05:30:18] | paperclip: | i'll research that at work tomorrow |
| [05:30:28] | purefusion: | haha |
| [05:30:55] | purefusion: | ♥ Read It Later |
| [05:30:58] | paperclip: | i am self employed.. |
| [05:31:04] | purefusion: | me too :P |
| [05:31:13] | Dagmar: | It'll run the beater, you push the button, it'll turn to the left, you push the button, it'll test the bumpers, you push the button, it'll run fill tilt forward for a bit, etc etc |
| [05:31:33] | purefusion: | sounds useful |
| [05:31:38] | Dagmar: | ...but I've not had mine fail since I've eliminated things like _long pieces of thread_ on the floor |
| [05:31:45] | purefusion: | but how do you fix it once you know what the issue is? |
| [05:31:47] | Dagmar: | I just clean 'em when I empty em |
| [05:32:01] | Dagmar: | There's literally dozens of places online to buy spare parts |
| [05:32:07] | purefusion: | ah |
| [05:32:07] | paperclip: | yeah.. they are pretty easy to maintain |
| [05:32:10] | Dagmar: | ...and about a dozen ebooks showing you where the screws are |
| [05:32:22] | paperclip: | ad you can make your own filters.. |
| [05:32:25] | paperclip: | and |
| [05:32:39] | paperclip: | from cd sleeves |
| [05:32:42] | Dagmar: | and you can change what they say. :) |
| [05:32:44] | purefusion: | yeah, I'm familiar with most of the screw-hiding techniques mfg's tend to employ |
| [05:32:56] | paperclip: | and they can rock your baby to sleep |
| [05:32:59] | Dagmar: | My older one plays techno now |
| [05:33:02] | purefusion: | the ones under the stickers annoy me the most |
| [05:33:11] | Dagmar: | yay serial port |
| [05:33:31] | purefusion: | wouldn't cd sleeves be slightly more expensive? |
| [05:33:51] | purefusion: | I assume someone online offers premade filters fairly cheaply |
| [05:34:05] | Dagmar: | I don't think cd sleeves would be a useful thing to use for that |
| [05:34:27] | Dagmar: | Their little filters are cheap, and somewhat optional |
| [05:34:33] | paperclip: | it's pretty much the same material |
| [05:34:44] | Dagmar: | All the cd sleeves I have here are paper or tyvek |
| [05:34:45] | wagnerrp: | purefusion: could be worse, mice like to have screws hidden under the slip pads |
| [05:34:53] | paperclip: | pennies per filter |
| [05:34:55] | Dagmar: | Neither of which are known for their air-filtration capability |
| [05:35:07] | Dagmar: | Perhaps a coffee filter maybe, but not things which would be airtight |
| [05:35:10] | purefusion: | somewhat optional... haha |
| [05:35:42] | Dagmar: | purefusion: Basically, without them the thing odesn't keep *really* small dust particles well |
| [05:35:47] | purefusion: | yeah, paper/tyvek can't be too good at letting air pass through |
| [05:35:55] | purefusion: | gotcha |
| [05:36:19] | purefusion: | hepa filters :P |
| [05:36:22] | Dagmar: | Dumb as this sounds, discount store pantyhose would probably be a better filter |
| [05:36:37] | purefusion: | I want to know where to get bulk hepa-filter material |
| [05:36:46] | Dagmar: | Probably DuPont |
| [05:36:55] | purefusion: | heh, stands to reason |
| [05:38:04] | purefusion: | hepa: .03 microns |
| [05:38:11] | purefusion: | dupont merv 12: .3 microns |
| [05:39:46] | purefusion: | I guess they're both good at getting all the small stuff though, and dupont's premium material seems to have more fancy features, like microban and oguard |
| [05:40:33] | wagnerrp: | .03 microns? thats certainly impressive |
| [05:40:52] | wagnerrp: | smaller internal structure than current microprocessors |
| [05:40:54] | purefusion: | I wonder how much less effective it is when used flat, instead of accordion folded |
| [05:41:21] | purefusion: | heh, makes me wonder how it lets any air pass through |
| [05:41:30] | purefusion: | but I guess it's not paper :P |
| [05:41:48] | purefusion: | not as bad as, anyway |
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| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | because air is on the scale of a fraction of a nanometer |
| [05:42:13] | purefusion: | purportedly, it's marketed more for commercial use |
| [05:43:09] | purefusion: | true, but surely not the same bandwidth of air as the .3 micron filter would allow through |
| [05:43:35] | peque: | hey godmorning guys. I've discovered a problem in my setup. I cannot change to one specific channel – http://pastebin.org/21514 --> What could carse that |
| [05:43:42] | wagnerrp: | it all depends on the blockage |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | peque: have you ever been able to tune that channel? |
| [05:44:36] | purefusion: | I'd like to do a whole-house hepa filter, but I'd need to replace my CA unit so it could pump more air through |
| [05:45:08] | wagnerrp: | looks like the channel scanner did not work properly |
| [05:45:10] | purefusion: | and I assume something like that wouldn't be much more efficient than our current 20 yr old system |
| [05:45:11] | wagnerrp: | possibly due to a bug |
| [05:45:24] | wagnerrp: | likely do the fact that S2 support is only a couple years old |
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| [05:46:39] | [R]: | so i was contemplating last night about a feature that lets you select the renderer based on the codec... i think i'm gonna write it... unless someone already knows about an effort for this? |
| [05:46:40] | wagnerrp: | purefusion: when your current AC was new... thats hard to say |
| [05:46:42] | peque: | Yes in the past I have – But aftrer loosing my / harddrive and a reinstall – I cannot change to the channel |
| [05:47:01] | wagnerrp: | however youre going to be hard pressed to make a new AC less efficient than a 20yr old unit |
| [05:48:10] | purefusion: | true... and I imagine it's going to die soon |
| [05:48:37] | purefusion: | I keep suggesting replacing the AC and furnace at the same time, to save some money |
| [05:48:52] | purefusion: | but it keeps getting postponed, heh |
| [05:49:20] | wagnerrp: | you would probably make up the cost within two years |
| [05:49:44] | wagnerrp: | maybe faster if you can easily run an underground heat exchanger |
| [05:51:14] | wagnerrp: | rent an auger from Arts, drill a couple holes in your backyard, and run refrigerant pipes through it |
| [05:59:05] | purefusion: | sounds like an interesting little project |
| [05:59:55] | Morder: | you'd have to dig holes quite deep |
| [06:00:18] | purefusion: | how deep are we talking? |
| [06:00:34] | wagnerrp: | no you wouldnt, temperature is pretty constant just a foot or two down in compacted soil |
| [06:00:39] | purefusion: | 'drill a couple holes' doesn't sound too deep |
| [06:00:51] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, its just a matter of laying enough length of pipe for your needs |
| [06:00:54] | purefusion: | btw, we have clay here... not sure if that matters |
| [06:01:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah, clay sucks |
| [06:01:21] | wagnerrp: | i hit clay around 6 inches around here |
| [06:01:26] | purefusion: | heh |
| [06:01:49] | wagnerrp: | not too bad for a machine, terrible with a shovel |
| [06:01:56] | purefusion: | how about replacing the clay in the areas where pipe would be laid? |
| [06:02:09] | Morder: | well, you'd have to dig at least 5–6 feet to make it worth while |
| [06:02:12] | purefusion: | oh, you're saying the work would be a pain |
| [06:02:24] | purefusion: | ahh, then I'd probably rent a machine, yeah |
| [06:02:32] | Morder: | but overall it shouldn't be too hard |
| [06:02:32] | purefusion: | how much pipe would need laid? |
| [06:02:49] | wagnerrp: | dont really know off hand |
| [06:03:20] | purefusion: | you know, I've always wanted to build myself an underground lair |
| [06:03:42] | wagnerrp: | theres an underground house about a mile away from me |
| [06:03:45] | purefusion: | maybe I could tackle both projects at the same time (grin) |
| [06:04:25] | Morder: | i hate to shove this in the middle of the conversation but has anyone compiled v4l under 9.10? |
| [06:04:35] | purefusion: | haha :) |
| [06:04:39] | Morder: | i should probably ask elsewhere but figured it'd be common enough here |
| [06:04:51] | purefusion: | yeah, I just noticed 9.10 was released |
| [06:05:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, but its only september |
| [06:05:39] | purefusion: | which poses another dilema, whether to use mythbuntu or manually configure |
| [06:05:47] | Morder: | yeah, i'm using an alpha :) |
| [06:06:09] | purefusion: | when is the official release supposed to be out? |
| [06:06:13] | Morder: | oct something |
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| [06:06:58] | Morder: | looks like the end of oct |
| [06:07:01] | wagnerrp: | why are you compiling v4l manually, as opposed to using the in-kernel version? |
| [06:07:11] | Morder: | good question |
| [06:07:23] | Morder: | i have no suitable answer for you |
| [06:07:27] | dserban: | q: ok now I've set the realtime priority on mythfrontend like the docs suggest. So now, when I use the program guide... it locks... odd? I can use the keyboard to switch workspaces ... go do different vt's ... but the program guide becomes unresponsive. did realtime priority hose it? |
| [06:08:04] | wagnerrp: | the docs suggest realtime priority on the frontend? |
| [06:08:20] | Morder: | i've been having problems with mythbackend shutting down while trying to start video... |
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| [06:09:19] | ExElNeT_: | is it possible to suspend a mythtv system and wakeup automatically if a show is scheduled? |
| [06:09:34] | dserban: | wagnerrp, here's the link: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 |
| [06:09:53] | wagnerrp: | ExElNeT_: yes |
| [06:10:33] | dserban: | maybe I'll disable realtime... though... the program guide is part of the mythfrontend code isn't it? |
| [06:10:33] | wagnerrp: | dserban: that should really only be done if youre on marginal hardware |
| [06:10:47] | wagnerrp: | and then you should really be upgrading the hardware rather than running the frontend in realtime |
| [06:10:50] | dserban: | wagnerrp, yeah I did it as a test... |
| [06:10:52] | dserban: | :P |
| [06:11:10] | dserban: | it's probably marginal by today's standards. |
| [06:11:38] | wagnerrp: | as seen by the referred kernel revision, that comment is ancient |
| [06:11:55] | dserban: | wagnerrp, I just wanted mythfrontend to have a higher priority than mythcommflag |
| [06:11:59] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.12 was over 4 years ago |
| [06:12:17] | dserban: | :P yeh, well it's linked from the "Optimizing Performance" wiki page |
| [06:12:19] | wagnerrp: | dserban: so go into mythtv-setup, and have it drop priority for the jobqueue |
| [06:12:49] | dserban: | ahh I remember seeing that |
| [06:12:51] | dserban: | thanks |
| [06:13:01] | wagnerrp: | its always better to drop priority of something you know you dont need, than raise priority of something you do need |
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| [06:13:50] | wagnerrp: | and putting a intensive process as realtime is likely going to break all sorts of things that actually do need guaranteed cycles |
| [06:14:05] | wagnerrp: | not something to be done lightly |
| [06:14:19] | dserban: | yeah, i follow that advice at work, but I'm just pokin' around right now trying to get a handle on this all. |
| [06:15:17] | dserban: | wagnerrp, thanks I agree with you, but .. y'know... Something's spelled out for you on the net, "Highlight, I, middle mouse click, :wq, reboot" and voila, I'm smrt :P |
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| [06:19:55] | dserban: | anyway wagnerrp thanks. |
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| [06:36:23] | ExElNeT_: | wagnerrp: does it work out of the box? (with suspend to memory) |
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| [06:38:06] | wagnerrp: | shutdown? yes... suspend to memory? not sure about that one |
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| [06:51:01] | oobe: | house wont stop being an ass just cause he graduated from the loony bin |
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| [06:57:27] | purefusion: | Morder: so how is 9.10, anyway? |
| [06:57:53] | Morder: | heh, haven't had time to mess around yet |
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| [06:59:10] | purefusion: | I assume it's fairly stable, since they're already working on the beta now |
| [06:59:26] | purefusion: | (and I use that term relatively) |
| [06:59:53] | Morder: | i've had a lot of crashes in the couple hours since i've installed |
| [07:00:13] | purefusion: | heh, ok then :) |
| [07:00:34] | purefusion: | meanwhile, this looks interesting: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-9-10-boot-in . . . -an-ssd.html |
| [07:00:42] | Morder: | it does |
| [07:02:11] | purefusion: | I think I'll run 9.10 on my laptop, and stick with 9.04 for my main machine |
| [07:02:41] | Morder: | i'll figure out what i want to do tomorrow – it's bed time fo rme |
| [07:04:10] | purefusion: | sounds good, take care and sleep well |
| [07:04:19] | Morder: | thanks :) |
| [07:04:19] | Morder: | later |
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| [07:11:31] | deeja: | is it possible to have a decent looking skin in 0.21? the defaults ones seem a little bit 1996 |
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| [07:12:01] | wagnerrp: | its a limitation of the old UI |
| [07:13:02] | oobe: | blootube-wide looks ok |
| [07:13:18] | motd2k: | ah okay, is 0.22 usable for a non-dev yet then? I take it 0.22 has better UI support? |
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| [07:13:46] | oobe: | i think so |
| [07:14:19] | oobe: | motd2k, it still has some bugs |
| [07:15:09] | motd2k: | im using xbmc on another tv and it feels a bit like im stepping back in time lol |
| [07:15:31] | oobe: | if your used to everything working alright in 21 then it can be slightly annoying but all the new features make up for it i just switched cause i heard it was in feature freeze in preperation for final release which means mostly bug fixes from now on |
| [07:15:54] | wagnerrp: | the new ui is capable of duplicating most of what xbmc does |
| [07:15:58] | motd2k: | i'll give it another go, xbmc isnt so good at the old tv stuff, and my sat box is terrible |
| [07:16:43] | wagnerrp: | there is a page on the wiki one of the devs put together with functional demo images duplicating several themes from xbmc |
| [07:17:12] | motd2k: | im not bothered about duplicating it, just having a pretty frontend that works |
| [07:17:33] | wagnerrp: | well its just showing what the UI is capable of |
| [07:17:47] | wagnerrp: | of course now the problem is one of creativity |
| [07:18:44] | motd2k: | yea – at least if the functionality is there people *can* do it though |
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| [07:20:43] | wagnerrp: | the other issue is the sheer volume of text you now have to write with the new UI |
| [07:21:38] | motd2k: | have you guys seen this http://gizmodo.com/5356596/pioneer-project-et . . . ed-media-box |
| [07:22:24] | wagnerrp: | for instance graphite (the first full mythui theme) is over 11k lines |
| [07:23:05] | wagnerrp: | Terra is missing some stuff and is just shy of 6k lines |
| [07:23:14] | motd2k: | most of that will be reusable though |
| [07:23:38] | motd2k: | well.. *some* of that at least |
| [07:23:38] | [R]: | arg... vdpau is REALLY pissing me off |
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| [07:26:59] | wagnerrp: | motd2k: the problem is licensing |
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| [07:27:12] | wagnerrp: | very few companies are going to provide an interface mythtv is allowed to use |
| [07:27:48] | wagnerrp: | and functionality that will violate ToS will never make it into mythtv |
| [07:28:01] | wagnerrp: | such as web scrapers for online video |
| [07:31:56] | motd2k: | you mean for the art-work? |
| [07:32:26] | motd2k: | or to link functionality with the pioneer thingy |
| [07:32:33] | wagnerrp: | so, tv and movie metadata can be had from thetvdb.com and tmdb.org |
| [07:32:56] | wagnerrp: | both sprung up out of necessity after imdb started actively trying to block scrapers |
| [07:33:29] | wagnerrp: | im talking about stuff like netflix, movie trailers, hulu, etc.... |
| [07:33:46] | wagnerrp: | those can be accessed using mythbrowser |
| [07:34:00] | wagnerrp: | but it is very unlikely mythtv will ever get a 'nice' interface to those |
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| [07:35:34] | motd2k: | boxee does those quite well |
| [07:35:51] | wagnerrp: | boxee is not allowed to do those things, but they do them anyway |
| [07:35:57] | wagnerrp: | thats the difference |
| [07:36:25] | wagnerrp: | boxee USED to be allowed to use hulu, with the consent and blessing from hulu |
| [07:36:38] | wagnerrp: | but back in april, hulu's content providers said no |
| [07:36:54] | wagnerrp: | and that was the end of legitimate use |
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| [07:39:31] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im surprised there hasnt been more interest in a web-radio plugin |
| [07:40:44] | wagnerrp: | especially considering shoutcast is an open standard, and things like the last.fm player are open source |
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| [07:41:02] | wagnerrp: | i know amarok has supported them for years |
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| [07:46:10] | wagnerrp: | what ever happened to mythtvnews.com? it just seems to have been abandoned at the end of january |
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| [07:57:31] | oobe: | if i run jamu.py with just the -M switch will it download all data or do i need to use --selected_data=PBFEI |
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| [08:35:27] | purefusion: | that was odd |
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| [08:42:54] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it's not as if theme creators need to type every single one of those lines though ;) |
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| [08:47:51] | justinh: | as far as web radio goes, any interest in integrating it in mythtv vanished when people realised that doing it *properly* would be a lot more work than a bunch of hacks :-\ |
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| [09:13:22] | justinh: | http://eskil.org/cv/snippets/shoutcast.txt might be a good place for somebody to pick up from |
| [09:13:35] | purefusion: | strange things, that internet does some times |
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| [09:22:16] | laga: | to be fair, i did enjoy eskil's patch ;) |
| [09:23:32] | justinh: | another thing which died from people disagreeing about how it should be done though |
| [09:24:06] | justinh: | I'm doing my bit to keep ego out of open source. by staying out of it |
| [09:26:50] | laga: | aww, you're such a cynic :) |
| [09:27:04] | _ben: | Morning |
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| [09:28:44] | justinh: | you learn to be cynical by experience ;-) |
| [09:29:28] | justinh: | heh.. Down with grammer (sic): http://bit.ly/3iUmG4 |
| [09:29:32] | laga: | justinh: is it the only way? |
| [09:30:24] | justinh: | it's not the only way. You can be cynical/angry without being informed too |
| [09:31:15] | laga: | cynicism truly is for everyone |
| [09:31:57] | justinh: | I'd love to be as optimistic as Shuttleworth. No, wait I'd rather kill myself |
| [09:33:00] | laga: | justinh: for some reason i believe shuttleworth will get there eventually. unless he runs out of money first ;) |
| [09:33:14] | justinh: | awesome. thankyou for your awesomeness. It truly is awesomely awe inspiring |
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| [09:34:15] | justinh: | where is 'there' anyway? |
| [09:34:40] | laga: | a world where the linux desktop matters ;) |
| [09:35:08] | laga: | where "matters" extends beyond the wobbly windows idiots |
| [09:35:44] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind stuff just working without being a complete & utter bastard |
| [09:36:25] | justinh: | same goes for windows though, proving you don't always get what you pay for |
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| [09:37:33] | justinh: | I was close to rebooting my backend yesterday, but decided to go hunting for rogue processes instead |
| [09:38:45] | justinh: | for some reason freenx leaves gnome-session stuff behind sometimes. and indexing isn't always off when you think it is. And apt's db rearranging can hog a lot of CPU sometimes |
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| [12:37:51] | Spida: | how do I configure mythtv if I have an analog capturecard that has "all" channels (already working) and a dvb-c card that has only a subset of these channels? |
| [12:38:06] | wagnerrp: | create a new lineup for the dvb-c card |
| [12:38:17] | Spida: | both cards are working fine, I just want to know how to do the cahnnel config |
| [12:38:42] | Spida: | so I create a new videosource with matching channel-names? |
| [12:38:46] | wagnerrp: | yes, one channel list per source, if you need different channels, you need a second source |
| [12:39:21] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, analog channels and digital channels need separate information in the database |
| [12:39:39] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt successfully share sources between them even if you tried |
| [12:39:47] | Spida: | I already importet a channels.conf, so tuning should work correctly |
| [12:40:13] | wagnerrp: | from what i understand, importing a channels.conf for DVB cards is very much broken |
| [12:40:25] | Spida: | at least it did with that channels.conf with czap and dvbstream |
| [12:43:40] | justinh: | you should try scanning for channels in mythtv-setup. if it works, great! If not you'll have to go a-digging |
| [12:45:35] | purefusion: | wow, mythbuntu 9.10a6 is already out... that was quick |
| [12:47:00] | purefusion: | I think I'll snag it, and keep clinging to windows for a bit (arg) |
| [12:47:54] | ** purefusion wonders what Morder was doing when he experienced his 9.10 crashes ** | |
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| [12:55:22] | Spida: | justinh: mythtv-setup dies and dumps core if I try to scan |
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| [12:56:42] | justinh: | multi-core CPU? |
| [12:56:52] | wagnerrp: | 0.21? |
| [12:57:42] | justinh: | if yes to both, try taskset -c0 mythtv-setup |
| [12:57:48] | Spida: | 0.21.svn20080706 on a dualcore e2200 |
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| [12:57:55] | wagnerrp: | ding ding ding |
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| [13:07:56] | Spida: | I am getting "Failed to handle tune complete" on the console when I run mythtv-setup |
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| [13:39:22] | stinger151: | hi |
| [13:42:23] | oobe: | hi |
| [13:43:06] | stinger151: | my coverart in mythweb is not working |
| [13:43:24] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups? |
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| [13:43:38] | stinger151: | yes |
| [13:43:48] | wagnerrp: | then mythweb/video will not work |
| [13:44:01] | wagnerrp: | mythweb requires direct file access |
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| [13:44:22] | stinger151: | no sorry misunderstood |
| [13:44:30] | stinger151: | my files lies directly on the backend |
| [13:45:00] | stinger151: | i can cd /var/www/data/video_covers |
| [13:45:07] | stinger151: | and ls shows my covers |
| [13:45:31] | stinger151: | can the problem be that jamu uses imdb# an no names for the covers? |
| [13:45:42] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups for your coverart? or direct paths? |
| [13:46:05] | stinger151: | ok sorry what are storage groups |
| [13:46:18] | stinger151: | the paths i enter in myth-setup? |
| [13:46:34] | wagnerrp: | if you entered paths for coverart in the frontend, that is a direct path |
| [13:46:38] | mchou: | wtf |
| [13:46:39] | stinger151: | (there i entered /media/share/Coverart |
| [13:46:46] | wagnerrp: | if you entered paths for coverart in mythtv-setup, that is a storage group |
| [13:46:57] | stinger151: | a ok than i use storage groups |
| [13:47:04] | stinger151: | then |
| [13:47:06] | mchou: | just hear about the 3 vans at the mexico border in San Ysidro |
| [13:47:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not set up to use those properly yet |
| [13:47:18] | stinger151: | but mythvideo is working i can watch the videos |
| [13:47:32] | wagnerrp: | mythweb rather |
| [13:47:48] | stinger151: | sorry i forgot to tell u |
| [13:47:57] | wagnerrp: | mythweb can access certain parts of the backend protocol |
| [13:47:57] | mchou: | that's crazy! |
| [13:48:00] | stinger151: | i am on the latest trunk if that makes a diference |
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| [13:48:04] | wagnerrp: | but file transfers are not one of them |
| [13:48:10] | stinger151: | ok |
| [13:48:24] | stinger151: | but webserver /mythbackend /mythfrontend is all on one machine |
| [13:48:32] | stinger151: | so file access would be posibile |
| [13:48:33] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [13:48:44] | stinger151: | ok so i have to enter the paths in mythfrontend |
| [13:48:55] | stinger151: | right? |
| [13:49:37] | wagnerrp: | no, because the existing files in the database will still be relative |
| [13:50:12] | wagnerrp: | better option would be to slightly alter mythtv, to manually prepend the path to the SG to the one it pulls out of the database |
| [13:50:32] | wagnerrp: | best option would just be to go back to direct paths |
| [13:50:42] | stinger151: | and how do i do that? |
| [13:50:50] | wagnerrp: | since youre running all one one system, there is no advantage to using storage groups |
| [13:51:59] | wagnerrp: | if you know a bit of sql, do a prepend the necessary path to all files listed in videometadata |
| [13:52:27] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, just delete the storage group, let a scan flush out the existing content, and rebuild your metadata |
| [13:54:18] | stinger151: | ok ill go the sql route can you point me to the right table of mythconverg? |
| [13:54:35] | wagnerrp: | already pointed |
| [13:54:58] | stinger151: | o sorry thx |
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| [14:35:52] | AndrewNC: | is a one line mythdb.py correction worth opening a ticket for? |
| [14:36:02] | wagnerrp: | what would that be? |
| [14:36:45] | AndrewNC: | incorrect variable name, so if your using $MYTHCONFDIR env variable instead of ~/.mythtv/config.xml it bombs out |
| [14:37:07] | AndrewNC: | looks like the variable was renamed at some point and this one got missed |
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| [14:38:26] | wagnerrp: | that bit was guessed by me, but completely untested |
| [14:38:27] | AndrewNC: | line 308 in MythDB.py, should be config_files.append... but it is something like local_files |
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| [14:38:42] | wagnerrp: | ah... yeah |
| [14:38:45] | wagnerrp: | screwed up that one |
| [14:39:12] | AndrewNC: | it happens :-) |
| [14:39:35] | AndrewNC: | I thought it would be silly to submit a diff for a single var name |
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| [14:40:21] | wagnerrp: | well see if you can get kormoc/sphery/iamlindoro to commit it directly |
| [14:40:28] | wagnerrp: | of course ive been the cause of worse tickets |
| [14:40:46] | AndrewNC: | I' |
| [14:41:05] | wagnerrp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7081 |
| [14:41:11] | AndrewNC: | I'd much rather track down and fix a bug than have no code to run at all |
| [14:41:53] | wagnerrp: | gvim likes to place 'p's in my code, when i hit the pause button on my keyboard |
| [14:43:22] | AndrewNC: | forced me to become slightly more familiar with python, I was trying to write out some debug lines in the jamu.py... 1 tab char != 4 spaces, especially when you dont notice the whole script is using tabs, and nano is configured with spaces |
| [14:43:32] | wagnerrp: | whew... seems i didnt screw that one up (i just didnt happen to notice and fix it when i switched it over from mysql.txt) |
| [14:43:38] | AndrewNC: | crazy kids with their new age script syntaxes!! in my day... |
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| [14:45:40] | wagnerrp: | it would appear that line has NEVER worked in the python bindings |
| [14:45:41] | wagnerrp: | go figure |
| [14:46:04] | wagnerrp: | must not be used much by mythbuntu users |
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| [15:00:42] | audiotek: | CAN someone help me please? |
| [15:00:42] | audiotek: | I |
| [15:00:56] | wagnerrp: | no, we cant |
| [15:01:02] | wagnerrp: | you havent yet explained your problem |
| [15:01:07] | audiotek: | Im trying to hook up my wii to my pvr150? |
| [15:01:17] | GreyFoxx: | That will suck |
| [15:01:17] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [15:01:27] | GreyFoxx: | The card and myth will introduce too much lag for it to be playable |
| [15:01:27] | wagnerrp: | since when did the Wii get a PCI slot? |
| [15:01:37] | wagnerrp: | oh... right... |
| [15:01:40] | Josh_Borke: | i'm confused |
| [15:01:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the PVR cards introduce a ~1s video lag |
| [15:02:08] | wagnerrp: | on top of the ~2s lag that mythtv itself causes |
| [15:02:09] | audiotek: | Well it worked good in dscaler.. |
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| [15:02:27] | wagnerrp: | dscaler probably grabbed output off the framegrabber directly |
| [15:02:29] | GreyFoxx: | And, myth records EVERYTHING and IP transports it to the FE. nothing is read raw from the card and sent raw to the display |
| [15:02:33] | audiotek: | Any alternative under linux? |
| [15:02:37] | wagnerrp: | tvtime? |
| [15:03:08] | audiotek: | I'll give it a try |
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| [15:23:21] | MrFluffy: | Hi, im trying to get myth working under gentoo with ivtv for two pvr250's, and I was just wondering how I was supposed to tell the pvr which input to take sound from, as I have no sound, but If I crank the volume up high I can just hear it bleeding through. input is into composite 3 |
| [15:26:42] | MrFluffy: | A v4l2-ctl --log-status shows :- ivtv0: Video Input: Composite 3 |
| [15:26:42] | MrFluffy: | ivtv0: Audio Input: Line In 2 |
| [15:30:39] | MrFluffy: | If I do a ivtv-ctl --audio-route=input=3, it returns ioctl VIDIOC_INT_S_AUDIO_ROUTING ok, but the --log-status still shows audio input listening to line in #2... |
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| [16:25:37] | benklop: | so, quick question: i'm getting tired of waiting and want to install .22 svn. is .22 gonna be out before I finish compiling and installing qt4 and myth .22 on gentoo? |
| [16:25:58] | benklop: | basically, should I just wait? |
| [16:26:53] | benklop: | are we lookin at days weeks months or years? |
| [16:27:35] | benklop: | part of my excitement comes from the fact that i'm familiar with Qt4 programming and could actually contribute. |
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| [16:31:45] | paperclip: | still having issues connecting a frontend on my laptop.. |
| [16:32:00] | paperclip: | i have the correct hostname user/database/pass |
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| [16:36:54] | paperclip: | hmm.. mysql logs are empty.. |
| [16:38:06] | paperclip: | ahh.. in syslog |
| [16:38:48] | CShadowRun: | Can anyone identify this card or tell me if it works in linux? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DVB-S2-PCI-Satellite-TV . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [16:39:12] | CShadowRun: | I asked the seller for a model number but all i got was "no make or model on the box, the components on the card are conexant though" |
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| [16:43:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | MrFluffy: Strange — I use a PVR-500 and PVR-250 with S-Video and analog audio input and have never had issues with Myth selecting the wrong audio input... |
| [16:43:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Is this your first remote frontend? |
| [16:44:39] | meshe: | paperclip: did you grant permission in your mysql database to allow your frontend to connect? |
| [16:45:19] | paperclip: | it is.. |
| [16:45:21] | paperclip: | and i haven't.. |
| [16:45:24] | paperclip: | working on that now.. |
| [16:45:52] | paperclip: | i also need an nfs mount to view stuff, eh? |
| [16:45:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Also, make sure you setup your backend for your 'real' ip, not 127.0.0.1 ... |
| [16:46:08] | paperclip: | ok |
| [16:46:15] | meshe: | the easiest way to test it is to use the following command from your frontend: mysql mythconverg -u <user> -p<password> -h <backend ip> |
| [16:46:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: for 0.21-fixes Videos, yes, for Trunk, you can set it to stream everything. |
| [16:46:56] | paperclip: | ok.. i'm using 0.21-fixes |
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| [16:47:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: for regular recordings, no NFS mounts are required for regular recordings (they always stream). Only plugins (videos, music & pictures) would require nfs mounts. |
| [16:48:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: (on 0.21-fixes) |
| [16:48:08] | paperclip: | ok |
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| [16:50:15] | paperclip: | i don't see where i "allow" connections.. is that binding to the real ip? |
| [16:50:22] | paperclip: | er.. done by binding |
| [16:51:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: For myth itself to work, you have to bind it to the 'real' ip by changing 127.0.0.1 to your real ip, ie: 192.168.1.50 (or whatever – your backend should have a static IP IMHO anyways) |
| [16:51:31] | meshe: | in a root mysql shell on your BE: grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'<frontendip>' identified by '<dbpassword>'; |
| [16:51:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: You also have to tell mysql to enable remote connections ^^^ exactly. |
| [16:51:46] | paperclip: | ok |
| [16:51:48] | resno: | Can a P4 2.8 ghz celeron run mythtv? I know its on the edge of min requirements. |
| [16:52:09] | meshe: | resno: SD definately, HD, probably not |
| [16:52:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: depends on what you mean... Can it record HD or SD using hardware encoders, definitely. |
| [16:52:34] | resno: | this is going to be purely SD. |
| [16:52:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: Can it playback SD? Yes, can it playback HD? Quite iffy... |
| [16:52:41] | meshe: | yeah, record should be fine, playback for HD, no |
| [16:52:52] | meshe: | it will have no problem with SD |
| [16:53:05] | resno: | wouldnt try pushing HD. |
| [16:53:13] | meshe: | i have 1.7 Ghz celerys running SD perfectly |
| [16:53:23] | resno: | is it front and backend? |
| [16:53:26] | meshe: | yes |
| [16:53:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A wouldn't touch a Celeron with anything except a Hammer... ;-) ** | |
| [16:53:29] | meshe: | 2 of them actually |
| [16:53:52] | meshe: | 1 has 1GB of ram the other has less than a gig |
| [16:53:59] | resno: | J-e-f-f-A: i needed a cheapo computer... |
| [16:54:22] | resno: | i think i need a new video card though. its circa 2001 |
| [16:54:22] | meshe: | the second one has issues when mythfilldatabase runs, but otherwise works fine |
| [16:54:35] | resno: | and cant even run youtube vidoes |
| [16:55:02] | meshe: | heh, i have a 2.66 P4 Dual Core that has problems with youtube :) |
| [16:55:26] | resno: | is that an issue with linux? |
| [16:55:34] | meshe: | no, adobe flash |
| [16:55:56] | meshe: | they suck |
| [16:56:14] | meshe: | flash is good at choking systems |
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| [16:57:29] | resno: | i ask because i dont have as many problems running youtube from windows, but at times linux has more trouble |
| [16:58:13] | meshe: | ahhh, i only do windows when I have to |
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| [16:59:04] | resno: | i see. so whats the recommended remote to use? ive seen alot on the wiki, but none are actively on sale. |
| [16:59:18] | resno: | i always check on newegg |
| [16:59:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A still uses XP @ home on his 'main' non-myth computer, but that will probably change soon... ;-) ** | |
| [16:59:41] | meshe: | i use the ones that came with my pvr-150's and pvr-350's |
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| [17:00:08] | meshe: | J-e-f-f-A: i dual boot so i can go back to windows and play my MMO |
| [17:00:20] | meshe: | that's the "have to" part of doing windows |
| [17:00:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: search for "Microsoft RC6" – that should give you hits on the Microsoft Media Center remote... The same search would work well on fleabay. |
| [17:01:45] | meshe: | the RC6 is the one that came with my pvr-150s, they work ootb |
| [17:02:15] | resno: | are the pvr 150 still the best tuners to use? |
| [17:02:26] | meshe: | for analog, yes |
| [17:02:41] | resno: | the reason i ask, i was doing this before and my tuner card didnt work. so i went to windows. |
| [17:03:14] | resno: | my current build doesnt support alot of extra fluff... |
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| [17:06:01] | resno: | im excited about getting this all up and running! is commecial skipping native or via plugin? |
| [17:06:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: I don't know if the "Roswill RRC-126" that pops up on a newegg search will work, but I suspect it will. It appears to be a 'standard' MCE remote, with a new, small, usb receiver. |
| [17:06:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: native. |
| [17:06:44] | resno: | :) |
| [17:07:12] | resno: | if i am looking to get a tuner to work, can i come here or linux or v4dlinux.com, i think the site is |
| [17:07:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: and works quite well in the US. It's about 95% accurate for my Analog recordings (Dish -> PVR encoders) and probably about 90% accurate with the Digital recordings... |
| [17:07:28] | meshe: | #linuxtv |
| [17:08:45] | resno: | J-e-f-f-A: great, becuase i am in the US |
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| [17:09:27] | resno: | meshe: they actually have irc line? |
| [17:09:36] | meshe: | yup, same network |
| [17:10:28] | resno: | wow thats great. i am ubunutu native, is using the repositories an ok way to install it? |
| [17:10:39] | meshe: | yup |
| [17:10:53] | meshe: | or use mythbuntu |
| [17:11:09] | meshe: | ubuntu is my main distro too, I use mythbuntu for my myth boxes |
| [17:11:47] | resno: | is there any big differences between the two? |
| [17:12:21] | meshe: | mythbuntu is streamlined for running myth and has lots of myth related helper apps |
| [17:12:34] | meshe: | other than that, it's just ubuntu + mythtv |
| [17:13:04] | resno: | And thats the livecd to become a front end |
| [17:13:12] | resno: | Thats what I just thinking about. |
| [17:15:17] | AndrewNC: | does ttvdb.py do caching? |
| [17:16:33] | iamlindoro: | sort of-- the python library that it leverages does |
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| [17:19:08] | iamlindoro: | see /tmp/tvdb_* |
| [17:19:18] | AndrewNC: | would it be safe to say that the bulk of ttvdb's bandwidth is image downloads? |
| [17:20:05] | iamlindoro: | Anything I tell you is just my opinion, but yes, that's my opinion |
| [17:20:19] | wagnerrp: | the bulk of the bandwidth, by far |
| [17:20:33] | wagnerrp: | but often CPU time is more expensive than bandwidth |
| [17:20:40] | AndrewNC: | I imagine they gzip their http responses, etc |
| [17:20:46] | kormoc: | (Which is why bit torrent is not a good solution) |
| [17:21:06] | kormoc: | I doubt that they'd be gzipping the images, as the images are already compressed and it'd be a waste of cpu cycles |
| [17:21:37] | AndrewNC: | I'm not bringing up that bittorrent nonsenes, just curious about the text based data |
| [17:22:02] | iamlindoro: | The text part is easy and fairly reliable, the images tend to be where they crash and burn |
| [17:22:40] | Gav8in: | i have had some funny stuff with ttvdb. i have to fetch metadata twice |
| [17:22:45] | iamlindoro: | If people can offer them some more hosting/bandwidth, that'd be great, just so long as everyone is clear that they will never ever EVAR be a soure of images for the entire EPG as some would like |
| [17:22:48] | Gav8in: | the first time errors out, the second time works |
| [17:23:05] | AndrewNC: | my casual usage in looking up text info by names is that it is very responsive on the off peak times of day |
| [17:23:25] | iamlindoro: | Gav8in: Because you're trying to download metadata for stuff in file browse mode. if you want it to work the first time, you need to scan it into the DB. |
| [17:23:47] | Gav8in: | iam, oh, interesting. i wasn't aware of the distinction |
| [17:24:03] | Gav8in: | i'll watch for that, thanks |
| [17:24:06] | iamlindoro: | filename parsing happens on the way into the DB |
| [17:24:27] | iamlindoro: | if you try to run on something in file browse mode, all the metadata fields (including season and episode) are empty |
| [17:24:40] | iamlindoro: | thus myth doesn't know what to do with it and can only take its best guess |
| [17:25:14] | iamlindoro: | I *did* apply some patches last night to help save users doing that from themselves, but the DB information produced for stuff in file browse mode is still transitory |
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| [17:26:23] | ikrabbe: | I got quite the same error as Cannot login to database (mythTV) – Ubuntu Forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1230658) post #5 |
| [17:26:40] | justinh: | so the fix will be quite the same then |
| [17:26:53] | ikrabbe: | no fix there ! |
| [17:26:59] | AndrewNC: | iamlindoro: did you happen to see my bug note here @ ~10:40 today? For MythDB.py ? one line fix |
| [17:27:13] | justinh: | fix will be the same it always is. i.e. set up mythtv & mysql correctly |
| [17:27:18] | iamlindoro: | AndrewNC: I saw the discussion, but did not see a patch |
| [17:27:19] | AndrewNC: | wasn't sure it was worth a ticket vs notifying someone here w/commit |
| [17:27:33] | AndrewNC: | should I ticket w/diff then? |
| [17:27:42] | ikrabbe: | justinh: you refernce to me? |
| [17:27:47] | justinh: | ikrabbe: yes |
| [17:27:59] | ikrabbe: | justinh thats no good answer |
| [17:28:08] | ikrabbe: | mythtv worked until yesterday |
| [17:28:15] | iamlindoro: | AndrewNC: Yeah, just open a ticket, I'm buried ATM |
| [17:28:16] | ikrabbe: | and I didn't changed mythtv configuration |
| [17:28:23] | justinh: | ikrabbe: but what did you do? |
| [17:28:36] | justinh: | dist-upgrade or something daft like that? |
| [17:28:45] | ikrabbe: | maybe I updated some packages as I use a gentoo system |
| [17:28:47] | ikrabbe: | yes |
| [17:28:51] | justinh: | oops |
| [17:28:56] | Josh_Borke: | ikrabbe: fix your database and make sure it is running |
| [17:29:00] | ikrabbe: | it is |
| [17:29:13] | justinh: | check you can still log into mysql with the credentials you think should work for mythtv |
| [17:29:15] | ikrabbe: | it is running and i can connect to the database and all tables are in good state |
| [17:29:25] | Josh_Borke: | using the same credentials that myth does? |
| [17:29:31] | ikrabbe: | yes |
| [17:29:32] | ikrabbe: | sight |
| [17:29:37] | ikrabbe: | sigh |
| [17:29:38] | meshe: | including hostname? |
| [17:29:39] | ikrabbe: | even |
| [17:29:41] | ikrabbe: | yes |
| [17:29:45] | AndrewNC: | iamlindoro: will do, that clarifies my uncertainty on ticket etiquette ;-) |
| [17:30:05] | iamlindoro: | AndrewNC: Any ticket with a patch is always welcome (regardless of how long it takes us to actually get to it) |
| [17:30:18] | ikrabbe: | just wait I'm just rebuilding the mythtv package, sometimes this does it ... |
| [17:30:29] | Josh_Borke: | ikrabbe: what about as the mythtv user? can you connect then? |
| [17:30:33] | justinh: | ikrabbe: you shouldn't be using gentoo |
| [17:30:35] | wagnerrp: | AndrewNC: if you want, im going to update #6885 with that issue later today |
| [17:30:44] | justinh: | if you think rebuilding mythtv will fix it. sheesh |
| [17:31:19] | wagnerrp: | AndrewNC: considering it has been in the bindings for the entire life of the bindings, it doesnt seem to be a very serious issue |
| [17:31:19] | ikrabbe: | justinh I will not discuss this shit |
| [17:32:08] | AndrewNC: | I'm probably the first person ever to hit against it |
| [17:33:27] | ikrabbe: | Josh_Borke: I can connect to the database as mythtv user and have all privileges on the database (mythconverg.*) |
| [17:34:09] | ikrabbe: | junstinh: you might know that gentoo even has revdep_rebuild system to rebuild packages if dependencies got updated |
| [17:34:35] | ikrabbe: | so sometimes package rebuilding helps |
| [17:34:47] | ikrabbe: | as I assume this error might arise from QSQL |
| [17:34:55] | ikrabbe: | which probably got updated last time |
| [17:36:21] | ikrabbe: | hmm mythtv uses qt3? |
| [17:36:32] | meshe: | 0.21 does |
| [17:36:33] | Josh_Borke: | 0.21 does, yes |
| [17:36:39] | ikrabbe: | yes 0.21 |
| [17:37:30] | ikrabbe: | actually mythbackend works and even records tv shows and all |
| [17:37:53] | ikrabbe: | but this error still remains and hinders nuvexport from working for example |
| [17:38:28] | meshe: | combined frontend and backend or a remote frontend? |
| [17:38:44] | ikrabbe: | on one server |
| [17:38:53] | ikrabbe: | two processes |
| [17:39:22] | justinh: | maybe you've somehow managed to mix versions of the mysql server & client libs |
| [17:39:41] | ikrabbe: | thats why I'm rebuilding guy |
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| [17:41:57] | meshe: | that shouldn't really matter, mysql is good at dealing with version differences |
| [17:43:15] | ikrabbe: | mythtv-0.21 handles all sql connection through qsql? |
| [17:43:41] | justinh: | mmmmmhmmmmm |
| [17:44:26] | AndrewNC: | wagnerrp: I attached a diff to that ticket |
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| [17:54:43] | ikrabbe: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded <<<< that should be the problem |
| [17:54:45] | ikrabbe: | hmmm |
| [17:56:02] | justinh: | forget to build mythtv with mysql enabled? |
| [17:56:08] | ikrabbe: | no |
| [17:56:11] | justinh: | er.. in your use flags I mean |
| [17:57:39] | ikrabbe: | btw, it hasn't such a use flag and the part that fails using mysql seems to be qt:3 |
| [17:57:41] | kormoc: | forgot to build qt with the mysql use flag |
| [17:58:28] | ikrabbe: | no |
| [17:58:56] | kormoc: | So then tell us what your problem is? |
| [17:59:35] | ikrabbe: | I wouldn't be here if I knew, maybe I know in about 30 minutes |
| [18:00:03] | kormoc: | Okay... so why are you here if you're not giving us any logs or any information about the problem? |
| [18:00:34] | ** justinh gets the thumb screws ** | |
| [18:00:36] | ikrabbe: | I try to give you all the information you need. |
| [18:00:46] | ikrabbe: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded <<<< that should be the problem |
| [18:00:54] | ikrabbe: | and thats part of the log |
| [18:00:56] | kormoc: | All you've given us is that your "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" |
| [18:00:59] | justinh: | still need to see the context |
| [18:01:04] | justinh: | pastebin comes cheap |
| [18:01:18] | ikrabbe: | ok ... if your really want to ... |
| [18:01:26] | kormoc: | which points to qt3 being built without the mysql use flag... |
| [18:01:36] | kormoc: | but you claim otherwise, so then there has to be more somewhere |
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| [18:01:49] | ikrabbe: | yes I know but it isn't |
| [18:02:03] | justinh: | make absolutely sure of that right now :) |
| [18:02:19] | ikrabbe: | I'm just rebuilding qt:3 and I got the confirmation from the configure run that MYSQL gets compiled in |
| [18:02:30] | ikrabbe: | also there is a libmysql in the qt:3 plugins path |
| [18:02:33] | Cybix: | Hello people. Is there a way to use mythtv to receive channels as live stream, kind of comparable to livestation |
| [18:02:42] | kormoc: | that doesn't mean the currently installed version has it |
| [18:02:47] | ikrabbe: | which is linked to the mysqlclient |
| [18:03:30] | justinh: | Cybix: a live stream from what? from where? how? |
| [18:03:42] | kormoc: | ikrabbe: libmysql or qsqlmysql? |
| [18:03:50] | Cybix: | via internet |
| [18:03:51] | kormoc: | *libqsqlmysql |
| [18:04:00] | kormoc: | cause you need libqsqlmysql |
| [18:04:45] | kormoc: | it'd be found in QTDIR/plugins/sqldrivers/ likely |
| [18:04:54] | justinh: | Cybix: internet? be more specific |
| [18:05:19] | ikrabbe: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1576795 |
| [18:05:27] | ikrabbe: | kormoc: it is |
| [18:05:52] | Cybix: | Now I use livestation. It's a piece of software on my computer that has a large list of channels that I can watch. So I wonder, would the same be possible with mythtv. |
| [18:06:07] | justinh: | Cybix: anyway, it's likely the answer will be NO. IPTV can work with mythtv, but not some random 'internet TV' streams. MythTV is primarily for *broadcast* television |
| [18:06:32] | ikrabbe: | kormoc: and it has exactly the same date as libqt-mt.so.3 has |
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| [18:06:47] | kormoc: | ikrabbe: QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null) |
| [18:06:50] | Cybix: | Ok, so I show see if the channels that I want are available as IPTV? |
| [18:06:50] | kormoc: | ikrabbe: that points to QT |
| [18:07:01] | iamlindoro: | Anyone using trunk + MythVideo parental levels/PINs? |
| [18:07:07] | ikrabbe: | kormoc: yes that was my last guess too |
| [18:07:10] | iamlindoro: | Could use a sanity check on a bug report |
| [18:07:38] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I tested it a while back, and it seemed broken, but I don't know if it was a new regression or not |
| [18:07:43] | ikrabbe: | last build of qt:3 is just ready, maybe it works now |
| [18:07:48] | ** ikrabbe crosses fingers ** | |
| [18:07:56] | kormoc: | if not, revdep-rebuild |
| [18:08:11] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I am hearing that if one escapes out of the pin prompt, it 'unlocks." |
| [18:08:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: just need competent hands to check that |
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| [18:08:31] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I wasn't even getting the pin prompt, so... |
| [18:09:22] | iamlindoro: | Have a spot where it kinda-sorta might be possible, and a possible patch, but the only condition I can think of where it would be true would be if the user had multiple values for one level, and one of them was blank |
| [18:09:33] | iamlindoro: | Ah well, i'll test at home |
| [18:09:48] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [18:09:57] | ikrabbe: | I can't believe this, the error still remains |
| [18:10:34] | justinh: | ikrabbe: let's see some log again then |
| [18:10:44] | ikrabbe: | its quite the same |
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| [18:11:47] | kormoc: | bounce the database? |
| [18:11:51] | ikrabbe: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1576807 |
| [18:11:51] | justinh: | Empty LocalHostName. |
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| [18:12:10] | ikrabbe: | hmm whats this? |
| [18:12:16] | ikrabbe: | Empty LocalHostName? |
| [18:12:19] | kormoc: | does ask resolve |
| [18:12:25] | kormoc: | line 29–30 of your paste |
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| [18:12:30] | iamlindoro: | Forgot to compile with -PEBKAC |
| [18:12:36] | ikrabbe: | I've seen but where do I fix that? |
| [18:12:54] | justinh: | you were already asked if the hostname had changed |
| [18:12:57] | justinh: | sigh |
| [18:13:23] | ikrabbe: | the hostname didn't change |
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| [18:14:54] | justinh: | it's connecting to the database just fine |
| [18:15:15] | justinh: | where it's falling over is trying to get settings for the hostname 'ask' by the look of that log |
| [18:15:34] | justinh: | or mysql is falling over |
| [18:16:00] | justinh: | "video is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput." is not good either |
| [18:16:20] | ikrabbe: | yes I know, but std is, which is what I usr |
| [18:16:22] | ikrabbe: | use |
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| [18:22:44] | ikrabbe: | oh wait, it can connect through the socket but not on the eth0 interface |
| [18:23:07] | kormoc: | Sexually Transmitted Diseases? |
| [18:23:23] | laga: | i use them all the time. |
| [18:23:44] | kormoc: | At least they're nor IRCTD |
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| [18:27:06] | ** laga sneezes on the keyboard ** | |
| [18:28:25] | ** kormoc dies of H1N1 ** | |
| [18:28:52] | laga: | sigh. coulda finished that python port |
| [18:28:58] | ** iamlindoro had H1N1 this summer ** | |
| [18:29:32] | ** kormoc got sick at Pax, where there was a H1N1 outbreak ** | |
| [18:29:44] | kormoc: | I figure I got it from Will Wheaton |
| [18:30:34] | laga: | heh |
| [18:30:38] | iamlindoro: | Frickin Wheaton |
| [18:30:43] | iamlindoro: | Wheaaaatooooooon! |
| [18:30:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.khaaan.com/ |
| [18:32:04] | laga: | lol |
| [18:32:35] | ikrabbe: | ouch |
| [18:32:42] | ikrabbe: | perl? |
| [18:32:44] | meshe: | iamlindoro: so you're immune to it now? |
| [18:32:50] | iamlindoro: | meshe: One hopes |
| [18:33:30] | Gav8in: | i'm wondering if i should get immunized before i go to argentina |
| [18:33:47] | Gav8in: | they had it pretty bad this past winter (which is just winding down, it's early spring there now) |
| [18:35:56] | laga: | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu |
| [18:37:19] | ** Gav8in shrugs. ** | |
| [18:37:45] | laga: | of course, did not mean to dismiss your concerns |
| [18:38:20] | Gav8in: | i'm not afraid of it per se, but i might as well ask my doctor. what i really need to do is get an appointment with a travel doctor in case there are any shots i need |
| [18:39:20] | Gav8in: | my suspicion is "no", but hey, wouldn't you feel like a goof if... |
| [18:40:13] | kormoc: | Given h1n1 is actually less lethal then 'normal' flu strains, just spreads easier... |
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| [18:46:58] | justinh: | my loss to swine flu (if that's what it was) was almost mythtv's gain |
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| [18:49:44] | c3l: | is there any prefered OS for mythtv? or can I go for my favourite – Archlinux? |
| [18:50:23] | ikrabbe: | This db error drives me crazy, the strace even shows that the sqldriver gets opened |
| [18:50:32] | kormoc: | c3l: the one you know the best |
| [18:50:40] | c3l: | okay :) |
| [18:51:46] | justinh: | ikrabbe: you certainly have a strange problem there |
| [18:52:27] | ikrabbe: | a newer version of mythtv uses qt4? |
| [18:52:29] | kormoc: | run with -v all and pastebin the logs |
| [18:52:37] | ikrabbe: | maybe this works better? |
| [18:52:42] | kormoc: | yes, what will be 0.22 will use qt4 |
| [18:52:58] | ikrabbe: | the problem with "all the logs" is that it loops forever on this db error |
| [18:53:19] | kormoc: | so cut it off after a loop or two |
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| [18:54:14] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks. Can someone assist me in finding an mp4 test clip with a very high bitrate? I would like to test my machine. Thanks. |
| [18:54:31] | defaultro: | I've been looking for clips in google but no luck |
| [18:54:38] | kormoc: | defaultro: I assume you mean h264? check the hdpvr page on the myth wiki |
| [18:54:43] | defaultro: | yep |
| [18:54:47] | defaultro: | ah cool |
| [18:54:51] | ikrabbe: | and finally actually there are mysql queries that the beast responses to |
| [18:54:54] | kormoc: | there's a link to a 13.5 mbit h264 clip |
| [18:56:09] | defaultro: | yep, I'm about to download it now |
| [18:56:15] | defaultro: | thanks :) |
| [18:57:09] | paperclip: | big buck bunny is around ~9Mbit |
| [18:57:20] | defaultro: | where is that |
| [18:57:22] | paperclip: | for the 1920x1080 mp4 |
| [18:57:42] | paperclip: | bigbuckbunny.org |
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| [18:58:28] | paperclip: | http://mirrorblender.top-ix.org/peach/bigbuck . . . 80p_h264.mov |
| [18:59:31] | iamlindoro: | Heh: bitrate: 32469 kb/s (Casino Royale) |
| [18:59:47] | iamlindoro: | bitrate: 37229 kb/s (The Dark Knight) |
| [18:59:49] | paperclip: | aac audio takes more cpu than the video on my vdpau box |
| [19:00:00] | paperclip: | iamlindoro: hey.. it's a legal clip |
| [19:00:11] | iamlindoro: | My examples are legal too |
| [19:00:16] | iamlindoro: | so long as I don't share them |
| [19:00:17] | defaultro: | i've downloaded that before and my machine is able to play it fine |
| [19:00:22] | ikrabbe: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1576875 |
| [19:00:28] | defaultro: | the big buck bunny I mean |
| [19:00:54] | paperclip: | i don't know of anything with a higher bitrate that is freely downloadable |
| [19:00:56] | defaultro: | what I have though is the avi file |
| [19:01:05] | defaultro: | maybe, it's different encoding |
| [19:01:12] | paperclip: | h264 seems to eat more cpu |
| [19:01:47] | defaultro: | Duration: 00:09:56.48, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 12455 kb/s |
| [19:01:55] | defaultro: | Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 24.00 tb(r) |
| [19:01:58] | defaultro: | I still have it |
| [19:02:03] | defaultro: | playback is fine |
| [19:02:54] | defaultro: | the reason why I would like to test is because, I remember, I downloaded a Departed movie clip and my wachine was able to play it but it was slow |
| [19:03:29] | defaultro: | so am wondering why I am able to play them properly now. I didn't upgrade any hardware. I did upgrade libraries about a year ago |
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| [19:04:11] | defaultro: | that's why I was looking for something like at 18000 kb/s on an h264 file |
| [19:04:39] | iamlindoro: | The stream you just pasted about is not h.264, in case you didn't know that |
| [19:04:49] | iamlindoro: | the 12 Mbit one |
| [19:05:11] | defaultro: | oh |
| [19:05:19] | defaultro: | it says mpeg4 |
| [19:05:24] | defaultro: | is it different? |
| [19:05:31] | iamlindoro: | mpeg4 = MPEG-4 part 2, otherwise known as MPEG-4 ASP, otherwise known as Divx/xVid |
| [19:05:38] | defaultro: | ah |
| [19:05:40] | iamlindoro: | h264 = MPEG-4 part 10 |
| [19:05:50] | defaultro: | and higher quality right? |
| [19:06:15] | iamlindoro: | better codec, quality is a function of bitrate and encoding options |
| [19:06:32] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:06:55] | defaultro: | i thought the h264 file I'm downloading was only 13.5. LOL. It's the filename. Filesize is close to 500mb :P |
| [19:07:15] | iamlindoro: | 13.5 is the bitrate of the file you are downloading |
| [19:07:27] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:07:50] | Gav8in: | megabits/second? |
| [19:07:55] | Gav8in: | that's pretty high quality |
| [19:08:03] | iamlindoro: | 13.5 is decent, yes |
| [19:08:06] | defaultro: | are there tools to convert these types of file so it becomes playable in bluray player? |
| [19:08:27] | ikrabbe: | komroc, I think I will try to update mythtv to newest version by hand |
| [19:08:28] | iamlindoro: | far from bluray, but in the case of the HD-PVR, which peaks at 13.5 and is where that clip comes from, it's a nice image |
| [19:08:38] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:08:46] | iamlindoro: | Blu is 35–50 Mbit generally speaking |
| [19:08:53] | defaultro: | wow, really high |
| [19:08:58] | iamlindoro: | but generally around 35–40 |
| [19:09:06] | defaultro: | so bluray quality is better than hddvd |
| [19:09:13] | iamlindoro: | depends on the disk |
| [19:09:16] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:09:24] | iamlindoro: | Blu ray has more space, but you could put the same encoding on either |
| [19:09:25] | defaultro: | i'm thinking of getting Oppo next year |
| [19:10:41] | defaultro: | if my machine won't be able to play 13.5 file properly, I will build a new machine. Card would be at least nvidia 9800 or gtx 925 or 600 |
| [19:11:00] | dmz: | howdy y'all, i'm looking to add a new tuner card to my system. preferably HD and can plug into cable coming into house; any suggestions? |
| [19:11:09] | defaultro: | or is it overkill for what I am looking for? maybe, I can save more money |
| [19:12:20] | iamlindoro: | if you are looking to play blu ray bitrate stuff, or properly deinterlace midrange bitrate h.264 (such as that from the HD-PVR) then your options are to build a machine with a high end CPU, or one with a VDPAU capable GPU |
| [19:12:20] | defaultro: | brb, need to vpn to work. LOL :P |
| [19:12:25] | Gav8in: | dmz,i always suggest the HD HomeRun. |
| [19:12:35] | defaultro: | ok |
| [19:12:46] | defaultro: | i thought vdpau only applies to video cards |
| [19:12:53] | dmz: | homerun? hadn't heard of that |
| [19:12:56] | iamlindoro: | erog "VDPAU capable GPU" |
| [19:13:02] | iamlindoro: | GPU = video card |
| [19:13:02] | Gav8in: | dmz, it's not a card, and it can't do analog |
| [19:13:08] | iamlindoro: | er ergo |
| [19:13:19] | Gav8in: | but for atsc/qam/dvb-t, it's pretty neat. |
| [19:13:21] | defaultro: | cool. Is c2d enough for what bluray bitrate |
| [19:13:29] | dmz: | it can intrface w/myth? |
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| [19:13:42] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: Core2Duo is a vast array of products, so... "Yes" and at the same time, "No |
| [19:13:43] | iamlindoro: | " |
| [19:13:52] | Gav8in: | dmz, yes, myth handles it. it uses ethernet. i use it and i am happy with it. |
| [19:14:01] | defaultro: | ok. What is your suggestion since I am writing down what I will purchase |
| [19:14:03] | jsm: | any recommendations for buying a pre-built mythtv rig? or perhaps a parts list to assemble my own? i guess the part i'm not really clear on is what video card to buy. I'd like to be able to intercept HDTV over QAM |
| [19:14:10] | dmz: | what kind of interfaces does myth use to connect to it? |
| [19:14:12] | jsm: | and record it :) |
| [19:14:33] | dmz: | what about a standard pci hd tuner card? |
| [19:14:34] | Gav8in: | dmz, myth uses tcp/ip to contact the thing, and the hdhr sends the video back to myth over the network |
| [19:14:40] | ikrabbe: | hmm the errors are produced by /usr/bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 17413 --starttime 20090921190500 |
| [19:14:44] | ikrabbe: | the rest works |
| [19:14:58] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: IMO a mid range Core 2 Duo *with* a VDPAU capable card (perhaps a fanless 9500 GT) |
| [19:15:00] | Gav8in: | jsm, i bought an ASRock Ion Nettop 330 last month. It works well, as a combined frontend/backend for me. |
| [19:15:01] | dmz: | interesting |
| [19:15:09] | defaultro: | awesomem |
| [19:15:12] | Gav8in: | Other people use that device just as a frontned to good results. |
| [19:15:13] | defaultro: | awesome! |
| [19:15:15] | dmz: | anyone have any other suggestions (not that i don't like it, just like options) :) |
| [19:15:16] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: That way you have the CPU grunt to play most things where VDPAU fails, but can use VDPAU too |
| [19:15:27] | defaultro: | cool |
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| [19:15:57] | defaultro: | aight buddy, brb, need to vpn to work :) |
| [19:16:11] | ikrabbe: | or by mythcommflag |
| [19:16:47] | dmz: | how much do these home runs cost, it seems like a bit of overhead when i already have multiple frontends, backend w/pvr350 and another backend w/a pvr500 |
| [19:17:00] | dmz: | just want a hd tuner card to swap out w/pvr500, it's quality sux :) |
| [19:17:11] | Gav8in: | i paid $150 for my hdhr. |
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| [19:17:22] | dmz: | wow 150 is a good price |
| [19:17:25] | Gav8in: | so pricy. i only reccomended it because i've used it and it works like a champ. |
| [19:17:41] | jsm: | Gav8in: does that have a tuner with it? |
| [19:18:00] | Gav8in: | jsm, no, the asrock ion needs a tuner. i reccomend the hd homerun, i use one with mine to good effect. |
| [19:18:25] | Gav8in: | i also have an external disk ~1tb i put in a storage group with the internal drive |
| [19:18:32] | dmz: | well a decent hd tuner will still cost me around 150ish and the hr comes with 2 tuners right? |
| [19:18:34] | Gav8in: | very high WAF. my wife loves it. |
| [19:18:39] | Gav8in: | dmz, yeah, two tuners. |
| [19:18:45] | Gav8in: | but no analog. digital only. |
| [19:18:54] | dmz: | i've already got a multiple analog myth setup |
| [19:18:59] | dmz: | just looking to expand :) |
| [19:20:29] | MrFluffy: | is there anyone here who knows how to set the composite3 audio input on a pvr250mce so I get audio? i can hear the audio a tiny amount in the distance like its bleeding over from another input and v4l2-ctl --log-status is reporting Video Input: Composite 3, Audio Input: Line In 2 |
| [19:22:28] | MrFluffy: | Id just patch it into the soundcard, but theres two of the cards in the chassis... |
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| [19:29:46] | Morder: | where can i find a list of capture cards that "just work" out of the box? (i'm so tired of trying to compile this and what not) |
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| [19:33:44] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [19:34:06] | justinh: | there isn't any such list. certainly nothing *definitive* |
| [19:34:33] | Morder: | heh |
| [19:34:35] | Morder: | of course |
| [19:34:45] | justinh: | linuxtv.org has a wiki with *a* *list* |
| [19:34:48] | Morder: | right now all i seem to get is errors :( |
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| [19:49:59] | justinh: | mmmm errors. descriptive |
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| [19:51:38] | gnome42: | elmojo: new patch on #6681 could use some testing as well, if you are up for it. |
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| [19:53:07] | Wicked: | Morder, my hauppauge pvr-150 is really easy to use. |
| [19:53:29] | Morder: | is it a low profile pci card? |
| [19:53:44] | Wicked: | its a pci card...i dont think its low profile. |
| [19:53:54] | highzeth: | yay, the NetUP Dual DVB-S2 pci-e is inbound. =) |
| [19:53:58] | Morder: | that seems to be my main problem :) |
| [19:54:11] | justinh: | highzeth: and you know it works in loonix? |
| [19:54:46] | highzeth: | they are *nix heads |
| [19:55:08] | justinh: | who are? |
| [19:55:25] | highzeth: | the IPTV company NetUP |
| [19:55:49] | justinh: | so you *know* for sure the card will work in linux? |
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| [19:56:39] | highzeth: | how about I let you know when its arrived, with logs etc, that work for ya? |
| [19:56:45] | justinh: | heh. they say they have drivers for linux. not quite the same as being certain the drivers are v4l compliant |
| [19:57:17] | highzeth: | well, Im looking at their driver, but I cant tell you if it works till the card is tested, no? |
| [19:58:04] | highzeth: | one of the devs on it, did fix driver for the Tevii card I got, and looking at the commit v4l logs, he aint a unfamilar face |
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| [19:58:23] | justinh: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/NetUP_Dual_DVB_S2_CI reckons so, so you should be ok |
| [19:58:33] | Morder: | Wicked: Yeah, I have two Hauppauge pvr-150s here but no case to hold them :( |
| [19:58:39] | highzeth: | but, this is their first self designed tuner, so we cant say for sure ;) |
| [19:58:49] | justinh: | looks nifty too |
| [19:58:51] | Morder: | i'm thinking i might make a hole in my case just for it though... |
| [19:59:05] | highzeth: | justinh: yeah, they have changed some of the chipsets, but they have fixed the drivers for it |
| [19:59:20] | highzeth: | *chipset in the original samples |
| [19:59:24] | justinh: | if it's in v4ldvb stuff it's good news either way |
| [19:59:40] | highzeth: | they also got a dual dvb-c/t on its way(also pci-e) |
| [20:00:00] | justinh: | dvb-c/t ? on one card? |
| [20:00:16] | highzeth: | http://www.univerdesign.ru/raboti/listovka_v2.jpg I dont have more info than that atm, but they have samples in the works |
| [20:01:14] | highzeth: | they presented that card on the IBC |
| [20:01:25] | kormoc: | Is this the $1000 card? |
| [20:01:33] | highzeth: | aye |
| [20:01:43] | Morder: | i guess i'll just check out some new cases first :) |
| [20:01:46] | justinh: | $1000 ?! |
| [20:01:54] | highzeth: | for now atleast.. very limited production # |
| [20:03:15] | highzeth: | its not aimed at the consumer marked, Ive seen worse prices on IPTV production hw :X |
| [20:04:11] | AndyCap: | well, some people are willing to pay for working pci-e hardware I guess. :) |
| [20:04:19] | highzeth: | idd =) |
| [20:04:33] | highzeth: | especially when its a dual tuner with CI =) |
| [20:04:54] | AndyCap: | unless it's closed drivers. |
| [20:05:08] | resno: | is schedules direct the way to get guide info? |
| [20:05:27] | AndyCap: | resno: if you live in a country they have data for. |
| [20:05:28] | highzeth: | AndyCap: yeah, that would have been outta the Q to even consider |
| [20:05:41] | resno: | AndyCap: i am in the USA |
| [20:05:54] | lotia: | resno: yes |
| [20:05:56] | AndyCap: | resno: I'd say yes. :9 |
| [20:06:16] | AndyCap: | highzeth: unlike say *cough*ndtek |
| [20:06:43] | resno: | AndyCap: lotia thanks, thats what i thoguht |
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| [20:07:46] | highzeth: | that bit I miss a solid euro alternative for(EPG), especially for those of us with many birds locked |
| [20:08:13] | highzeth: | I think I have 7 diff epg sources atm to somewhat commplete the channel list |
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| [20:10:26] | laga: | ask epgdata.com if they can offer you something |
| [20:11:03] | AndyCap: | ah, nothing like a good offense http://www.sundtek.de/docs/sundtek_smart_facts.pdf |
| [20:11:29] | highzeth: | laga: you affil/consumer of their services? |
| [20:13:01] | laga: | highzeth: i wrote the current grabber, but I do not receive any money. just their content for free (which I need to maintain the grabber ;)) |
| [20:13:08] | laga: | </full disclosure> |
| [20:13:27] | highzeth: | thanx for your honesty, I will check it out =) |
| [20:14:26] | highzeth: | justinh: http://udev.netup.ru/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/v4l-dvb-commits/ not checked if its come upstream yet.. =) |
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| [20:19:39] | zand: | where does mythweb store searches? |
| [20:19:59] | lotia: | this has very likely been beaten to death on this channel already, but can someone please share the current status of the bbc attempt to encrypt the epg for their hd freesat |
| [20:20:26] | paperclip: | searches are live, no? |
| [20:20:47] | zand: | well |
| [20:20:57] | zand: | when I go to the search page, it's remembering the last search |
| [20:21:06] | zand: | which is a huge AND/OR affair |
| [20:21:09] | zand: | I want to reset it |
| [20:21:22] | paperclip: | ahh |
| [20:21:39] | paperclip: | i just delete the search terms.. |
| [20:23:19] | zand: | if I do that and search, I either get an out-of-memory error or a blank white page |
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| [20:28:32] | RyeBrye: | MythTV 0.22 isn't released yet, right? (rhetorical question) |
| [20:28:44] | RyeBrye: | http://provo.craigslist.org/sys/1387367846.html <-- some guy selling his build, with Mythtv 0.22 loaded on it |
| [20:28:45] | zand: | see topic |
| [20:29:30] | RyeBrye: | Not a bad build machine, but he tried too hard to make a BE/FE in a small case – I think that was his downfall |
| [20:30:30] | Gav8in: | i'm always a fan of slot loading dvd players |
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| [20:35:35] | mchou: | $1000? |
| [20:35:50] | mchou: | what a fool |
| [20:36:11] | paperclip: | heh |
| [20:36:20] | paperclip: | it's pretty spendy |
| [20:36:26] | mchou: | how anybody spends even half that for a htpc is beyond me |
| [20:36:53] | mchou: | not to mention it's not even low power |
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| [20:37:06] | paperclip: | i bet that heatpipe crap cost a lot.. |
| [20:37:14] | wagnerrp: | several people in here spend far more than that just on hard drives for their HTPC |
| [20:37:52] | paperclip: | i spent ~$500 before drives |
| [20:38:36] | RyeBrye: | I spent a lot on my HTPC, but it's multipurpose. |
| [20:38:38] | mchou: | wagnerrp: the dude includes a 300GB drive for that price |
| [20:38:51] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, his critical downfall in that system is thinking 300GB is enough for a backend |
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| [20:39:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:39:19] | justinh: | depends on the end use |
| [20:39:21] | AndyCap: | RyeBrye: and the overheating isn't a good sign either. |
| [20:39:29] | justinh: | some people don't keep everything they record :P |
| [20:39:33] | mchou: | now, its critical downfall is spending over $500 |
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| [20:40:13] | RyeBrye: | Doesn't someone in here have over 15 TB? |
| [20:40:28] | wagnerrp: | i know of at least one |
| [20:40:37] | wagnerrp: | and several over 10TB |
| [20:41:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A only has 3.5TB ... 4 if you count the external 500GB drive just for videos... ** | |
| [20:41:21] | justinh: | some people a) have more money than sense and b) keep too much :P |
| [20:41:22] | paperclip: | my fe/be has only 2x80gb at the moment.. |
| [20:41:35] | RyeBrye: | I only have 1TB... but I have 6 extra drive bays and sata ports begging me to fill them |
| [20:41:36] | paperclip: | i'd like the fe to be solid state eventually |
| [20:41:48] | AndyCap: | paperclip: pxe boot. |
| [20:41:48] | justinh: | paperclip: very little point in that FWIW |
| [20:41:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A is a b) person by justinh's standards.... ;-) ** | |
| [20:42:00] | paperclip: | ok.. diskless |
| [20:43:08] | wagnerrp: | there is no sense putting a SSD in a frontend |
| [20:43:20] | RyeBrye: | Well, that guy's system must be good for something since it was able to go into the future and get the 0.22 release. Would have been nice if he could have submitted patches of the release, but I guess if he did that he might make the universe collapse |
| [20:43:35] | justinh: | RyeBrye: flux capacitor in the PSU? ;-) |
| [20:43:36] | mchou: | a frigging WDTV is more uselful and costs an order of magnitude less |
| [20:43:38] | paperclip: | i have a ton of CF cards in the 2–4gb range.. |
| [20:43:40] | wagnerrp: | and a CF card is making less sense now that PATA controllers are starting to disappear from motherboards |
| [20:43:49] | laga: | RyeBrye++ |
| [20:43:49] | paperclip: | but no PATA controller |
| [20:43:59] | justinh: | FWIW, pxe will prolly be faster than booting off a USB stick |
| [20:44:37] | justinh: | it's not that much slower than from HDD even, in my experience |
| [20:44:47] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether you have a crappy USB stick barely pushing more than USB 1.1 |
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| [20:44:49] | RyeBrye: | I use PATA for optical drives typically |
| [20:44:51] | paperclip: | yeah.. i don't plan on rebooting often |
| [20:45:05] | paperclip: | RyeBrye: that was my plan too.. |
| [20:45:18] | justinh: | wagnerrp: all the free ones I've got hold of have been crap :) |
| [20:45:23] | paperclip: | no controller :( |
| [20:45:35] | RyeBrye: | I don't think my DVD burner can burn at 3Gb/sec. I'll have to check though ;) |
| [20:45:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: I saw a CF<->Sata adapter recently... /me digs... |
| [20:46:01] | paperclip: | hmm |
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| [20:46:19] | paperclip: | pxe would be free |
| [20:46:36] | mchou: | free is a relative term |
| [20:46:38] | justinh: | optimise yer boot process properly & anything can boot pretty quick :) |
| [20:47:01] | paperclip: | apparently karmic koala will boot in 5 seconds on a dell mini 9 |
| [20:47:09] | mchou: | netboot is a PITA by comparison to booting off flash |
| [20:47:21] | justinh: | by that do they mean 'start loading the kernel' ? :-O |
| [20:47:27] | paperclip: | mchou: it's not that bad |
| [20:47:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: eek, $28.99 from Addonics – (haven't looked that much though...) http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/adsacf.asp |
| [20:47:40] | paperclip: | justinh: no.. gnome desktop loaded |
| [20:47:51] | paperclip: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks |
| [20:48:04] | stonith: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm running CF <-> Sata adapter right now, my only advice, if you are running frontend, try to get at least 8GB CF card. |
| [20:48:08] | joat: | anyone else's front-end crash at the end of a recording or video? |
| [20:48:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: or $15.99 for one from newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186051 |
| [20:48:29] | justinh: | paperclip: where's this reported then? |
| [20:48:58] | paperclip: | bummer there isn't an option to just let it flop around in the case.. |
| [20:49:17] | paperclip: | justinh: let me find it.. |
| [20:49:46] | wagnerrp: | stonith: what ever for? my mythtv systems consume all of ~2GB, and thats including some 700MB of compiled kernel source tree |
| [20:50:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: There's *lots* of hits... I googled "cf to sata adapter", and found one as cheap as $13.30 ... |
| [20:50:56] | justinh: | paperclip: http://open-tube.com/karmic-koala-ubuntu-910- . . . ease-so-far/ ? |
| [20:50:59] | paperclip: | mythbuntu fits on a 700mb image |
| [20:51:12] | justinh: | ah on SSD. :-\ |
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| [20:52:00] | justinh: | free OS on a £00 HDD. Woot |
| [20:52:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: 5 seconds??? Yikes! |
| [20:52:16] | paperclip: | heh |
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| [20:53:22] | justinh: | actually, more money than my frontend cost. Hahaha |
| [20:54:02] | RyeBrye: | If it's that fast on SSD, I wonder how fast it would be on this: http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255 |
| [20:54:29] | paperclip: | this is the article i read.. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/20 . . . s-arrive.ars |
| [20:54:51] | paperclip: | which i see was linked from yours.. |
| [20:54:59] | paperclip: | 5 seconds is fast |
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| [20:58:02] | toddejohnson: | I'm writing a Jabber/XMPP bot that integrates with mythtv. I've seen the python version, but it is a processor hog. I'm attempting to write it in php and hoping there is a php api. Can anyone tell me about the mythweb framework? |
| [20:58:38] | laga: | you have seen the python version of what? |
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| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | sure, I could tell you everything about it. What do you want to know? |
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| [20:59:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Gee, there's always this beast... http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory . . . ad4cfprj.asp – $39.99 – Not sure if it's linux compatible, trying to see if it appears as a standard IDE controller... ;-) |
| [21:00:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Yeah, it says it's supported by 2.4+ kernels... |
| [21:02:34] | toddejohnson: | laga: myth_jabberbot |
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| [21:04:00] | toddejohnson: | kormoc: To start I'm trying to make the bot make the stats information accessible. |
| [21:04:59] | kormoc: | Well, all the queries I use to generate that information is in the module/stats/ files, There's no API for that currently |
| [21:05:33] | toddejohnson: | The other is tv/upcoming |
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| [21:05:58] | toddejohnson: | So it can have a command conflicts. |
| [21:06:32] | kormoc: | There's a few ways to add in a 'api', you can just add in a new output template that would dump xml/json/etc and then import that into your bot, or you can actually use the bindings directly |
| [21:08:09] | toddejohnson: | I was thinking of the bindings. I see the show and program objects in upcoming.php. Just confused where they come from and how to use them with my script. |
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| [21:08:39] | kormoc: | Well, if you want to wait for 0.22 to release, I'll have a much better interface for you interacting with them |
| [21:09:18] | toddejohnson: | Is this in svn? |
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| [21:09:43] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [21:10:00] | paperclip: | J-e-f-f-A: that's cool.. shame i don't have a pci slot.. |
| [21:10:23] | paperclip: | J-e-f-f-A: and i'm not sure if that would be all that much cheaper than an SSD |
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| [21:12:27] | akv: | Is it possible to get a rescaled live-feed from mythtv? I'd like to be able to watch live tv away from home, but i have a 512Kbit upload, i know it isn't much, but better than nothing... |
| [21:12:49] | RyeBrye: | mythweb streams it using flash |
| [21:13:04] | paperclip: | even live stuff? |
| [21:13:10] | RyeBrye: | oh, not live stuff |
| [21:13:24] | RyeBrye: | but you could just click on what you want to watch and hit "record" and then in a few minutes go and start watching it |
| [21:13:52] | paperclip: | doesn't it need to transcode first.. or does that happen on the fly? |
| [21:14:06] | RyeBrye: | it does it on the fly |
| [21:14:26] | paperclip: | nice |
| [21:14:35] | paperclip: | that's in trunk, eh? |
| [21:14:47] | RyeBrye: | I thought it was in 0.21, but it's definitely in trunk |
| [21:15:04] | highzeth: | it is in .21-fixes |
| [21:15:08] | akv: | RyeBrye: i believe i tried it, but it didn't scale it down |
| [21:15:19] | RyeBrye: | You can adjust the settings on it |
| [21:15:20] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:15:24] | RyeBrye: | it definitely scales it down |
| [21:15:29] | akv: | okay |
| [21:15:31] | akv: | i'll try |
| [21:15:34] | RyeBrye: | I think the default is 320x240 isn't it? |
| [21:15:40] | kormoc: | yes it is |
| [21:15:45] | paperclip: | i have 0.21-fixes and never saw a flash thing.. is that an option in the setup? |
| [21:15:47] | kormoc: | and it should work on 64 kbit |
| [21:16:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Well, yeah, if you're only talking about 16GB capacity... ;-) Although, if you already had 4x4GB cards.. |
| [21:18:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: 0.21-fixes has a streaming flash player, if you enable it... |
| [21:18:51] | paperclip: | J-e-f-f-A: i'm looking for that now.. |
| [21:19:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: There's a checkbox in mythweb – let me pull it up... |
| [21:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | paperclip: Settings -> MythWeb -> Video Playback -> [x] Enable Video Playback |
| [21:20:38] | toddejohnson: | kormoc: Could I use the classes with .21? |
| [21:20:44] | kormoc: | no |
| [21:26:10] | akv: | RyeBrye: okay it does work as expected, just need to tweak the quality when away from home – thanks :) |
| [21:30:39] | paperclip: | k.. i'm just at work.. keep getting distracted.. |
| [21:35:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I wonder if they used one of these for those tests... http://www.trustedreviews.com/storage/news/20 . . . B-sec-SSD/p1 |
| [21:37:09] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: its got little to do with throughput, and everything to do with latency |
| [21:37:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Holy *bleep* – probably not – it's $4999!!!! yikes! |
| [21:37:32] | _ben: | Evening chaps |
| [21:37:37] | wagnerrp: | their new init system is threaded |
| [21:38:01] | wagnerrp: | instead of running each script sequentially, it forks off things that are not interdependent |
| [21:38:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I'll bet it would be even faster with this unit though! ;-) |
| [21:38:23] | wagnerrp: | the low latency of an SSD just lets them do more simultaneously |
| [21:38:26] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: to be fair, that's been in Gentoo a long time, and doesn't really speed things up that much at all |
| [21:38:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: talking about init-ng? |
| [21:38:44] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [21:39:00] | wagnerrp: | i tried that, never really got it working properly |
| [21:39:10] | wagnerrp: | my system after booting was never very functional |
| [21:39:27] | kormoc: | huh |
| [21:39:42] | wagnerrp: | of course that was like 2 years ago, have no idea what the current state is... |
| [21:39:58] | kormoc: | I've always used init-ng actually, I much prefer it |
| [21:40:52] | wagnerrp: | ill have to take another look at it, knowing a lot more now than i did then |
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| [21:46:45] | Morder: | thanks Wicked, I went out and got a new case and put my pvr-150s in and it works just fine ;) |
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| [21:48:12] | Leebier: | i know this is *slighly* OT, but anyone know what's up with the mythdora site? it appears to be a godaddy parked page? |
| [21:49:12] | laga: | hostile takeover by mythbuntu. i knew it. |
| [21:49:33] | kormoc: | looks like they let their registration laps and it was picked up by someone else |
| [21:49:34] | Leebier: | hah |
| [21:50:04] | Leebier: | well, i suppose that much was evident, no word though on why/how/when a resolution? my googling returned little, but google is not the greatest at things less than a day old |
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| [21:50:23] | paperclip: | could have just expired.. i think godaddy parks expired domains like that.. |
| [21:50:47] | _ben: | i wonder if gomummy is registered |
| [21:50:50] | kormoc: | paperclip: other then the fact it was renewed |
| [21:51:06] | paperclip: | it takes time for dns to update |
| [21:51:23] | paperclip: | i don't know what the site is/was or i'd whois it myself |
| [21:51:28] | kormoc: | Expires: 2010-06–23 |
| [21:51:43] | paperclip: | that's a long while |
| [21:51:55] | kormoc: | it was updated to a new owner on 2009-09–23 |
| [21:52:08] | paperclip: | oh.. |
| [21:52:11] | paperclip: | today.. |
| [21:52:37] | Leebier: | so i take it the folks on the project haven't been in communication w/ the rest of the community, eh? |
| [21:52:38] | kormoc: | talk to j-rod about it, he ran the website, as per the rev-ip on the historic one |
| [21:52:47] | Leebier: | guess i picked a bad day to mess w/ lirc :( |
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| [21:57:47] | Leebier: | well, looks like i'll be back later, have a good evening |
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| [22:17:36] | paperclip: | oh.. i finally got a chance to fiddle with the flash playback in mythweb.. pretty nice except for the 4:3 thing |
| [22:18:04] | kormoc: | it should resize based on recording aspect in -trunk |
| [22:18:16] | paperclip: | excellent |
| [22:18:51] | defaultro: | kormoc, iamlindoro. I played the 13.5 file, h264, 14000 kb/s, my machine was at 95% :) and video was in slow motion |
| [22:19:22] | defaultro: | i'm wondering why i'm able to play apple.com h264 9000 kb/s files from apple.com without any issue |
| [22:19:32] | defaultro: | is there something that they're hiding? |
| [22:19:37] | Dagmar: | Becuase they're encoded differently |
| [22:19:42] | wagnerrp: | yes, CABAC vs. CAVLC |
| [22:19:42] | defaultro: | k |
| [22:20:16] | wagnerrp: | CABAC takes ~35% more CPU to decode, and takes about ~25% less bitrate to achieve the same quality |
| [22:20:27] | wagnerrp: | the quicktime encoder only supports CAVLC |
| [22:20:49] | defaultro: | k |
| [22:21:27] | xris: | kormoc: except that most stuff seems to come in with the wrong aspect ratio (mine are almost always 1:1) |
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| [22:21:52] | defaultro: | are we saying the CABAC is the better encoding mechanism? |
| [22:22:06] | kormoc: | if you have the hardware to play it back, yes |
| [22:22:37] | defaultro: | I will have a new machine next year. I'm going with c2d and at least nvidia 9500 |
| [22:22:48] | wagnerrp: | no reason to get more than a 9500 |
| [22:23:01] | defaultro: | why? |
| [22:23:17] | defaultro: | is it because cpu is doing all the decoding? What about vdpau? |
| [22:24:21] | kormoc: | what about vdpau? my 9300 plays back that 13.5 mbit file just fine |
| [22:25:15] | defaultro: | cool |
| [22:25:33] | defaultro: | have you tried playing an 18 mbit file? |
| [22:25:44] | kormoc: | nope, as I don't have any |
| [22:25:45] | defaultro: | and is there any test clip available |
| [22:25:47] | defaultro: | ok |
| [22:26:07] | defaultro: | that would be better since it's going to be cheaper :) I can spend more on the cpu |
| [22:26:55] | defaultro: | and should I got this time with INTEL? My old mythbox is Athlon and I'm very happy with the performance |
| [22:27:17] | ** kormoc likes intel ** | |
| [22:27:31] | kormoc: | Mr. Dean likes AMD |
| [22:27:47] | defaultro: | ok, so it doesn't really matter |
| [22:34:58] | wagnerrp: | any vdpau capable card will do 13.5mbps h264 just fine |
| [22:35:00] | defaultro: | don't know why I can't find geforce 9300 in newegg |
| [22:35:15] | wagnerrp: | any 9500 or better will do advanced 2x at 1920x1080 |
| [22:35:21] | defaultro: | ok |
| [22:35:34] | wagnerrp: | the 9300 isnt really sold as an addon card (ive only ever seen one) |
| [22:35:44] | wagnerrp: | it is primarily a onboard chip |
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| [22:36:34] | defaultro: | oh |
| [22:36:42] | defaultro: | that's why I saw a mobo |
| [22:36:55] | defaultro: | what about 9500, is it a card? |
| [22:36:59] | paperclip: | defaultro: some of the zotac ionitx boards are on sale at newegg.. with nvidia |
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| [22:37:33] | _ben: | those are tempting |
| [22:37:46] | _ben: | no pci slot tho so i'd have to look at usb tuners |
| [22:38:36] | paperclip: | i've got the hdhomerun |
| [22:38:45] | _ben: | whats that? |
| [22:38:49] | paperclip: | and will have a pvr-500 in another box.. |
| [22:39:05] | paperclip: | atsc/qam tuners in a network box.. |
| [22:39:12] | _ben: | ah k |
| [22:39:15] | paperclip: | 2 tuners |
| [22:39:25] | paperclip: | works great |
| [22:39:32] | wagnerrp: | 9300 and 9400 are almost always onboard |
| [22:39:43] | wagnerrp: | >=9500 are always discrete |
| [22:39:47] | defaultro: | ok |
| [22:40:15] | _ben: | there aren't many boards tho |
| [22:40:30] | defaultro: | btw, i just played 13.5 file on my c2d laptop. CPU is only at 60% but playback stops, then goes, then stops again but audio is continuous |
| [22:40:39] | wagnerrp: | _ben: generally, the ION boards are only considered for frontends |
| [22:40:59] | _ben: | wagnerrp: yeah, seems sane |
| [22:41:04] | _ben: | what about backends? |
| [22:41:07] | defaultro: | my athlon 3000 played is smoothly but in slow motion |
| [22:41:14] | defaultro: | s/is/it/ |
| [22:41:27] | _ben: | or rather, a combined backend/frontend |
| [22:41:29] | paperclip: | mine is both fe/be for the time being.. |
| [22:41:46] | wagnerrp: | they dont have the expansion capacity for any meaningful backend |
| [22:42:00] | paperclip: | i can record two shows and watch a recorded show no problem |
| [22:42:09] | _ben: | i was thinking of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Asus_P5N7A-VM |
| [22:42:19] | wagnerrp: | unless youre otherwise trying to use a mini mac as your backend |
| [22:42:40] | paperclip: | what makes a meaningful backend? |
| [22:42:53] | wagnerrp: | room for tuner cards |
| [22:43:22] | paperclip: | yeah.. if it wern't for the HDHR I'd be out of business |
| [22:43:37] | wagnerrp: | if you dont care for standard definition, you can get by with a HDPVR, HDHR, and firewire |
| [22:43:50] | wagnerrp: | but then youre still limited in hard drive space |
| [22:43:56] | defaultro: | hdhr is new to my eyes, what is that? |
| [22:44:15] | kormoc: | High Def Home Run |
| [22:44:16] | wagnerrp: | network attached ATSC/QAM (or DVB-T) tuner |
| [22:44:35] | _ben: | how much storage do people tend to have? |
| [22:44:42] | paperclip: | my board has 3x sata |
| [22:44:42] | kormoc: | I have 1t |
| [22:44:52] | wagnerrp: | of course with 2TB drives, using external drives isnt really a problem either |
| [22:45:05] | _ben: | I have 750GB in my BE and i can't see it running out of space :p |
| [22:45:16] | kormoc: | I only have extrenal storage, as I'm using a mac mini as my frontend and backend |
| [22:45:19] | wagnerrp: | so there is no reason a system with no internal space cant make a worthwhile backend |
| [22:45:48] | wagnerrp: | im just opposed to it for no reason |
| [22:46:01] | paperclip: | heh |
| [22:46:38] | kormoc: | mac mini, hdpvr, firewire channel changing on the cable box, mceusb remote, external drives, quite nice |
| [22:46:58] | ** wagnerrp is stubborn for the traditional PC ** | |
| [22:48:10] | jduggan: | oh man hauppauge dvb-s usb2 doesnt work in linux |
| [22:48:14] | jduggan: | damn that ides |
| [22:48:18] | jduggan: | idea |
| [22:48:39] | paperclip: | i'd guess that there will be boards with more options someday |
| [22:48:46] | _ben: | mmm |
| [22:49:10] | _ben: | quite frustrating, the lack of boards with onboard 9300/9400 chips |
| [22:49:27] | wagnerrp: | there are quite a few boards with onboard nvidia |
| [22:49:45] | wagnerrp: | what exactly are you looking for? |
| [22:49:45] | _ben: | like? |
| [22:50:06] | _ben: | socket 775, at least 1 pci slot, micro atx |
| [22:50:07] | wagnerrp: | like... im not going to link you to a newegg search |
| [22:50:38] | paperclip: | letmeneweggthatforyou.com |
| [22:50:58] | _ben: | I'm in the UK so a lot of the stuff you guys can get i can't :P |
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| [22:51:30] | wagnerrp: | five boards with 2, one board with 1, on newegg |
| [22:52:02] | kormoc: | so fly on over and have one shipped to your hotel room? |
| [22:52:16] | _ben: | could do! |
| [22:52:35] | _ben: | i'm due a trip to our NY office! |
| [22:53:02] | jduggan: | or search on newegg and then get the model to search dabs/ebuyer/scan |
| [22:53:16] | _ben: | and i haven't done that? |
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| [22:53:45] | jduggan: | okok |
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| [23:03:07] | resno1: | i just installed mythtv, and the video is not full screening on my wide screen tv |
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| [23:09:46] | kormoc: | resno1: is it a widescreen video? Of the same aspect as the tv is? |
| [23:10:45] | resno1: | kormoc: i am watching sd video. not sure of the aspect ratio, but would like it 16:9, i guess it is. |
| [23:11:17] | resno1: | kormoc: on the os, it fills the screen, then tv only fills the small aspect ratio |
| [23:11:34] | kormoc: | does it use the full height of the tv but not the full width? |
| [23:11:45] | kormoc: | or is it letterboxed? (meaning have black border around it) |
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| [23:12:08] | resno1: | it uses the full height but not width. |
| [23:12:17] | defaultro: | off topic question folks. I burned an iso file that only has AUDIO_TS directory. My dvd player doesn't understand it. How do I play this disc? |
| [23:12:21] | meshe: | SD programming is 4:3 |
| [23:12:50] | resno1: | is there a way to make it full screen? |
| [23:13:06] | kormoc: | resno1: then, as meshe said, it's 4:3, not 16:9, you can use a zoom to zoom in, but you lose some of the picture, or you can change the aspect ratio and it'll just distort |
| [23:13:09] | meshe: | hit I choose Adjust Fill, choose full |
| [23:13:24] | meshe: | or play around with the other settings |
| [23:13:38] | meshe: | i just allow fullscreen SD to not take up the full screen |
| [23:13:45] | meshe: | it actually looks best that way |
| [23:14:03] | kormoc: | it looks odd stretched imho and I don't like loosing part of the picture |
| [23:14:10] | meshe: | kormoc: same |
| [23:14:20] | meshe: | if it's letterboxed in 4:3 then i zoom |
| [23:14:36] | resno1: | my prob is i have all this extra screen and its not being used |
| [23:14:53] | kormoc: | resno1: sure, but if you record HD material, it would be used |
| [23:14:54] | paperclip: | SD will be that way |
| [23:14:55] | meshe: | resno1: you'll get used to it, it's just wierd at first |
| [23:15:00] | _ben: | buy a smaller tv! |
| [23:15:27] | paperclip: | myth needs a plugin that will display porn or something useful in the sidebar |
| [23:15:28] | resno1: | _ben: thanks... never thought about going down LOL |
| [23:15:37] | _ben: | ;) |
| [23:15:38] | meshe: | play with the zoom/fill/aspect ratio settings to see if you like it |
| [23:16:00] | resno1: | secondly, and maybe i have it set wrong. the picture is fuzzy |
| [23:16:23] | meshe: | what tuner card? |
| [23:16:34] | resno1: | avermedia m-150d |
| [23:17:51] | meshe: | lower channels usually suck, they do on my tv and tuners, higher chans may be better, but also try replacing the coax and make sure you have a good splitter |
| [23:18:13] | kormoc: | resno1: so you have a HD tv and you got a card that only supports SD capturing? |
| [23:18:27] | resno1: | kormoc: the card is older... |
| [23:18:40] | resno1: | ive had the card for a few years... |
| [23:18:50] | kormoc: | well... you'll never get a good picture with that card... |
| [23:18:52] | resno1: | this is a test build until i get a better computer |
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| [23:19:29] | kormoc: | you can try switching to svideo inputs and increasing the bitrates, but it'll always be... not hd |
| [23:19:45] | resno1: | kormoc: oh, thats to be expected. |
| [23:19:57] | resno1: | i cant expect quality the card cant see |
| [23:20:19] | resno1: | what do i press to adjust ratio? |
| [23:20:29] | meshe: | I |
| [23:20:45] | paperclip: | w works for me |
| [23:21:07] | meshe: | well, I brings up the menu with aspect ratio, zoom, fill... |
| [23:21:29] | resno1: | w zooms for me. |
| [23:22:07] | resno1: | whats got you guys helping this time of day? |
| [23:22:21] | meshe: | it's 4:22 PM here |
| [23:22:26] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:22:52] | resno1: | ive been here other days and support is slower and almost dead |
| [23:23:21] | kormoc: | luck of the draw |
| [23:23:33] | resno1: | lucky me :) |
| [23:23:43] | laga: | FWIW, it's 1:30am here ;) |
| [23:23:43] | meshe: | i leave my chat window open 24/7, if i'm looking at it when a question I can help with comes up I answer |
| [23:24:33] | resno1: | now, i need to get my sound card working :( |
| [23:24:55] | meshe: | sudo make-soundcard-work |
| [23:25:07] | resno1: | that would be a sweet command |
| [23:25:17] | meshe: | oh, they haven't written that one yet? |
| [23:25:19] | meshe: | hmm |
| [23:26:27] | kormoc: | echo "import make-soundcard-work" > makesoundcardwork.py && python makesoundcardwork.py |
| [23:26:45] | resno1: | i see yall are hard at work finding ways to make it work |
| [23:26:51] | iamlindoro: | yeee heee hee |
| [23:26:57] | iamlindoro: | About to commit a fun change |
| [23:27:01] | meshe: | working on your python for pymythweb? |
| [23:27:05] | kormoc: | totally |
| [23:27:25] | kormoc: | I'm halfway done, I wrote 'import myth' now I just gotta import web and call it done |
| [23:27:54] | resno1: | does mythtv have a web thingy? |
| [23:27:58] | iamlindoro: | Don't miss a <TAB> or it'll crash entirely |
| [23:27:59] | meshe: | awesome! |
| [23:28:04] | meshe: | resno1: lol |
| [23:28:05] | resno1: | \nick resno |
| [23:28:22] | resno1: | i tried the ip and got "this is something cool to look at" |
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| [23:29:29] | kormoc: | Was it something cool? |
| [23:29:48] | meshe: | try ip/mythweb |
| [23:30:02] | resno1: | eh, for the first few seconds. until i notice it wasnt doing anything |
| [23:30:26] | resno1: | meshe: not found |
| [23:30:52] | meshe: | which dist did you use? |
| [23:31:19] | resno1: | ubuntu, then install myth on it |
| [23:32:11] | meshe: | sudo apt-get install mythweb |
| [23:33:23] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22012/ |
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| [23:34:27] | iamlindoro: | fancy highest-rated fanarts, varying per season |
| [23:34:41] | kormoc: | nice :) |
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| [23:36:46] | Morder: | where can i change the setting for the filenames of recordings? (i'd like to name them based on guide data) |
| [23:36:57] | kormoc: | it's not a setting to change |
| [23:37:05] | Morder: | that's what i was afraid of |
| [23:37:09] | kormoc: | you use a script like mythrename.pl (or whatever it's called) |
| [23:37:31] | kormoc: | and it'll create symlinks for you so you can still see them, but keep the original files untouched |
| [23:37:36] | johnsu01: | So, ever since a recent upgrade in debian testing (using debian multimedia packages), my recordings don't work |
| [23:37:42] | Morder: | cool, thanks |
| [23:37:50] | meshe: | it'll create symlinks for you if you use the --link option |
| [23:37:54] | johnsu01: | looking at the database, I can see the recordings scheduled there (I think), but the interface says no recordings scheduled |
| [23:38:14] | johnsu01: | I can set a show to record, and there is no error when I do so, but then when I go look at the show or at the recordings listings, it is not set to be recorded |
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| [23:38:36] | johnsu01: | this upgrade involved I think a switch from mysql5 to mysql5.1 |
| [23:38:46] | johnsu01: | but it also involved an upgrade of mythtv packages |
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| [23:40:35] | marc-us: | restarting mythbackend does not help? |
| [23:40:38] | iamlindoro: | Holy poop Caprica Six is hot |
| [23:40:48] | johnsu01: | marc-us: nope, restarted backend, mysql, and frontend |
| [23:40:54] | marc-us: | oof |
| [23:41:48] | marc-us: | that has happened to me as well from time to time but usually restarting the backend helps |
| [23:42:34] | marc-us: | how about backing up the database and reinstall? |
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| [23:43:29] | ** Batshua waves ** | |
| [23:43:38] | Batshua: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m285e0869 |
| [23:44:00] | Batshua: | I am having transcoding failures. I am unsure how to fix this. Would anyone be so kind as to give me a starting point? |
| [23:44:01] | laga: | that is a nice URL you've got there. |
| [23:44:05] | laga: | ah ;) |
| [23:44:11] | Batshua: | See, there was explanation! |
| [23:44:16] | laga: | \o/ |
| [23:44:22] | Batshua: | If I did it the other way, you would have said, well, we need to see the logs. |
| [23:44:30] | kormoc: | Ooh, I say #65 tells you why |
| [23:44:34] | kormoc: | the whole, "Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set" |
| [23:44:46] | Batshua: | Right, but uhm, where does one set that? |
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| [23:45:23] | Batshua: | I kinda broke my entire setup when I upgraded to Jaunty and everything is almost back to normal, but ... I'm sure some of my old settings are lost or broken and I'm not sure what I missed fixing things up again. |
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| [23:48:25] | Wicked: | anyone here familiar with sony projectors? a buddy just gave me a sony VPL-CS5 and im just starting to play around with it. |
| [23:49:25] | Batshua: | Afraid I don't know a thing about them. |
| [23:51:05] | Wicked: | ah thats ok :) |
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| [23:59:11] | gizmobay: | Anyone know where I can upload a file (22MB) for sharing? I tried rapidshare but it wasn't very good. |
| [23:59:24] | kormoc: | erm.... |
| [23:59:34] | kormoc: | if this is pirated material..... |
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