Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 22nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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laga:

that would require some LD_LIBRARY_PATH magic i assume

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matt23:

or a runtime ld change

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iamlindoro:

matt23, yes, those are on the same multiplex

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matt23:

perhaps putting a /usr/local/mythtv/lib2 first

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matt23:

iam: thx, wasn't sure

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

ie when they share the same major channel number but different minor channel number, that's one mux

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matt23:

heh should get my perl/sort on and find out which one has the most

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Dagmar:

Looks like the first winner in the "evade Dagmar's new firewall rules" contest is...

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Dagmar:

BUDAPEST

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Dagmar:

*plonk*

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Dagmar:

Which member of the underfunded EU countries will be next to go in the banlist?

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matt23:

11 89.5 4 Comcast Hometown

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matt23:

998 98.12 4 CTCH (color bars)

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matt23:

i'll take the former, thx

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matt23:

er i mean latter! heh

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Dagmar:

That damn colorbars channel always seems to be on reruns when I check it

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iamlindoro:

those are on different multiplexes

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matt23:

dude, they just stopped trying

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matt23:

it's just a paycheck to them now

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Sad really.

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matt23:

hah you could go nuts recording these...

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matt23:

963 121.13 2 FM-KSJO

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matt23:

964 121.14 2 FM-KNGY

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matt23:

965 121.15 2 FM-KRZZ

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matt23:

etc .. 33 of them

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Dagmar:

Just record one episode for the wife and tell her it's being updated with each daily episode for her

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matt23:

wonder what bandwidth they allow

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iamlindoro:

matt23, Just for clarity, wanted to note that your color bars example is not one multiplex

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iamlindoro:

the 33/channel one is all audio channels

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matt23:

honey, i just got ColorBars HD from tvtorrents

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iamlindoro:

38 Mbit/33 = plenty for audio

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matt23:

iam: yah i got that, so i have to make a choice! :( :D

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Dagmar:

Shhh! No piracy talk!

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matt23:

er sir, i only use tvtorrents for downloading public access shows like ColorBars

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matt23:

<iamlindoro> 38 Mbit/33 = plenty for audio

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** kormoc eyes matt23 **

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Dagmar:

If they busted you for that, I would appeal to the press

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matt23:

heh yeah and Sirius and XM have plenty of room for audio

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matt23:

for 20 channels...

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matt23:

or 100+ crappy sounding ones

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matt23:

dagmar: thx man that means a lot

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iamlindoro:

> 1Mbit for an audio stream is pretty damn good IMO

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matt23:

oh ..advice. gotcha

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Dagmar:

"I am being subject to a shakedown from the RIAA's law firm over my piracy of an NTSC test signal."

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matt23:

hwh

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matt23:

heh too

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: 6x better then cd audio is absolutely horrible!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, heh

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iamlindoro:

especially given it's being allotted to FM stations :)

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matt23:

who wha? i didn't say it was bad!

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kormoc:

you implied it was bad...

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matt23:

i don't actually trust the entities to use the appropriate bandwidth though..e.g. Sirius, XM

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matt23:

^^

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kormoc:

how is Sirius/XM related at all to the audio channels comcast is sending out?

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matt23:

well i regret that you inferred what i wasn't implying

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matt23:

omg

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matt23:

hey, how about that local sports team?

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laga:

good game

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Dagmar:

Peter snagged a cool power

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matt23:

two words: sticky wicket

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kormoc:

the power to finally get a plot?

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iamlindoro:

He harnesses the raw power of hanging plot threads to destroy his enemies

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iamlindoro:

go go gadget Irish chick Stuck In the Future!

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iamlindoro:

go go gadget third twin!

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iamlindoro:

go go gadget Nissan Versa!

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matt23:

Irish chick Stuck In the Future heh

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wagnerrp:

go go gadget missing petrelli grandchildren

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iamlindoro:

hah, there's another

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matt23:

ok i must run along home. thx all for the mighty useful info as always!

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matt23:

off to my 4wheeled climate changer

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Josh__:

Matt

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: We're not watching it for the ironclad plot resolutions

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Dagmar:

We're watching it to see people do whacked-out superhero stuff

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Dagmar:

Peter bouncing around like Spiderman on empty webtanks qualifies for me

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matt23:

josh__ you askin for me or some other matt ? heh

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Josh__:

"H1's go to WAR – H2's go to "the mall""

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matt23:

oh heh

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Josh__:

saw that on someone's back window

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Josh__:

awesome

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matt23:

well i'm stuck changing it at a slower pace in my vw jetta :-P

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Dagmar:

It would be cooler if H2's went to hell

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matt23:

but at least it's a turbo so when i need to kill a baby polar bear, i just have to floor it

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Dagmar:

Drive a two-wheeled vehicle and your view on SUV drivers as a whole will take a turn for the worse.

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matt23:

like a segway?

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Josh__:

matt23, it's not a real climate changer unless you can smog the other guy at the red light when you stomp the gas.

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think the DMVs aversion to mounted anti-SUV weaponry is rather closed-minded.

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** kormoc blinks **

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matt23:

ah well it does burn a bit rich when i step on it does that count? heh

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kormoc:

matt23: yes, a segway, they're so very common on the streets and highways....

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** Josh__ has actually done that in a street race **

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Josh__:

poor guy had his windows down

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matt23:

kormoc: i keed.

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** Josh__ laughs his ass off. **

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Dagmar:

Gimme a waiver on that and I'll have faring-mounted tasers to market in less than a month.

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wagnerrp:

Josh__: HMMWVs go to war, H1s go to people compensating for something

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, that's too big for a bumper sticker :)

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Dagmar:

Some dimwit in an SUV tries to merge into you and electrodes will automatically "reach out and touch" their ECU into braindead. Another hummer off the road for safety's sake

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kormoc:

m1a1's go to war, the rest of you stop deluding yourselves...

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matt23:

next you'll tell me my segway isn't going to war

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paperclip:

grr.. newegg is charging me a restocking fee for that raid card..

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matt23:

http://bexhuff.com/files/images/china-militar . . . iny-guns.jpg

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kormoc:

matt23: you can go ride your segway into the nearest mine field...

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matt23:

damn skippy, it has a triangular bottom and kevlar wheels

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matt23:

still haven't solved the being flipped 17 feet in the air part

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Dagmar:

paperclip: Was it defective or did you just want to return it?

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paperclip:

it doesn't support drives > 1Tb

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wagnerrp:

matt23: AP mines dont have enough explosive power to do that

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Dagmar:

Wow. That kinda sucks.

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paperclip:

this "defect" is not mentioned on Adaptec or NewEggs site..

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Dagmar:

Well, you're clear to be able to mention that in the review section now

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paperclip:

it took 3 days for adaptec to email me..

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Dagmar:

...which is a good thing.

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paperclip:

true

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matt23:

hey adaptec is real busy..writing documentation. er wait n/m

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paperclip:

i'm going to email them.. it's really not fair..

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mchou:

screw email

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kormoc:

what model is it?

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mchou:

call customer service

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mchou:

paperclip: you can then forward adaptec's email

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mchou:

new egg has live chat too

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paperclip:

2420sAdaptec 2254200-R PCI-X SATA II RAID

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paperclip:

live chatting now..

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mchou:

paperclip: if you get no satisfaction then escalate

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paperclip:

"Unfortunately, we are only able to guarantee what is posted on our website. All RMA requests placed online are subject to the restocking fee. On refund RMA's there is always a 15% restocking fee. However, we are willing to make an exception and I have waived the restocking fee."

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Dagmar:

Nice

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Dagmar:

I had hopes

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paperclip:

that was so easy :)

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mchou:

now ask for a shipping label :)

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paperclip:

you just print it from the RMA request form..

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benomatic:

once i've transcoded a show, it makes a .old file; is there a trivial way to "untranscode", i.e. revert to the original file? (i want to try another transcoding method from the original file)

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hondo:

I'm only seeing "severe weather" as an option when setting up myth weather — Jaunty

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Dagmar:

I know why hiro keeps having nosebleeds

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Dagmar:

It's because he KEEPS TALKING TO HIS CHILD SELF

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Wicked:

this may be a dumb question...but i have cable from comcast and im thinking about getting a second tv card and someone here mentioned a HVR-1600. If i put a splitter in between the cable from the wall and the stb...then ran a cable to the stb and the to the atsc/qam hook up would i be able to record 2 diff things at the same time? also to be able to use the atsc/qam connector...do you need special wiring? im pretty sure we have digital cable..but

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Wicked:

inside our house is the same old cable we have always had

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Dagmar:

Why would you not be able to

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Wicked:

i dont know. im not familiar with how that card works or atsc/qam

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Dagmar:

...as to the rest, I'm sure you can find pictuers of the HVR-1600 at some online site which will explain the rest.

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Dagmar:

Obviously, you need a coax splitter.

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Dagmar:

Whether or not you'll need a signal amp depends on whether or not your cable feed has enough power

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Wicked:

yea. but as for the cable...they dont put new cable in your house for digital right?

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Wicked:

ah there is a drop amp in here. by out of the wall i meant out of the wall to the amp..then spit

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Dagmar:

...of course, whether or not you're going to be able to pick up anything useful from the cable without an STB is probably bad odds

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Dagmar:

We have no way of knowing what your cable company does

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Dagmar:

I will say that there's literally zero chance it won't be "more boring old coax"

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Dagmar:

You won't need to worry about that

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Dagmar:

Back to the real show-stopper, the ClearQAM problem

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Dagmar:

Digital cable programming is almost *always* encrypted

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Dagmar:

You won't pick up anything "in the clear" that's not a station that is being broadcast in the clear using an antenna somewhere

[01:26:02]

Dagmar:

...because that's an FCC requirement.

[01:26:30]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you wouldn't be getting anything over cable unencrypted

[01:26:45]

Dagmar:

So, plan on a set top box probably being part of your future for digital cable

[01:26:53]

Dagmar:

Over the air ATSC, any non-such antenna will do

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Dagmar:

It's not encrypted

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Wicked:

ah right

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Dagmar:

s/non-such/non-suck/;

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Wicked:

but i should be able to get the standard local channels.

[01:27:55]

Wicked:

would capturing over the qam be higher quality?

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Dagmar:

Probably wouldn't matter

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Wicked:

ah ok. thanks for the info :)

[01:29:39]

Dagmar:

Your cable company might be re-encoding, but probebly not

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Wicked:

its comcast in northeast usa

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Dagmar:

Are they reputedly less evil there or something?

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Wicked:

no idea lol

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Dagmar:

I mean, c'mon man, it's Comcast

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Dagmar:

These are the people who just got a waiver to postpone having to support CableCard for another three years

[01:34:00]

Dagmar:

...and they were supposed to have been required to start by no later than June

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Dagmar:

You can pretty much count on them being as unuseful as possible like you would count on the sun rising tomorrow

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Wicked:

ha. yea. they do suck.

[01:37:09]

Wicked:

and they are weasels

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Dagmar:

the sad thing is that if they's just stop f**king people over, they could have that monopoly they want so bad

[01:40:45]

Dagmar:

This new girl is dodgy

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wagnerrp:

new girl... heroes?

[01:42:38]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

That girl that's hanging onto Claire is shifty

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Dagmar:

I know stuff like that test, but then I know I"m a sick man

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wagnerrp:

im just concerned about having to watch commercials

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wagnerrp:

only 6 minutes of buffer left on house

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Dagmar:

by the way, something else I came up with to torture an acquaintence of mine who is a shrnk

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Dagmar:

er shrink

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Dagmar:

"It's like seeing someone attempting suicide--you want to stop it, but you also want to see how it turns out."

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Dagmar:

trust me it gets 'em good. :)

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wagnerrp:

if only i didnt have tickers for a storm already 75mi past us

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Dagmar:

tickers?

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wagnerrp:

storm warning occasionally popping up at the top of the screen

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

I wouldnt' complain

[01:52:22]

Dagmar:

It could easily be the other way around...

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Dagmar:

75mi away and approaching fast

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wagnerrp:

or they could have dropped it to standard definition, like they do for sphery

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Dagmar:

For my part, I'm just glad that I'm not waking up on a new waterbed

[01:53:02]

Dagmar:

Yuck

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Dagmar:

We've had a bit of rain here lately.

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Dagmar:

...and I live right at the edge of the river.

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wagnerrp:

we havent been getting heavy rain

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wagnerrp:

weve just had the several days of light rain

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Dagmar:

Ooof RIBS

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wagnerrp:

ribs? as in visible ribs?

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wagnerrp:

sounds painful

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Dagmar:

Looked painful

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wagnerrp:

so what happens to the show if house is no longer an ass

[02:01:53]

Dagmar:

It gets moved to Friday nights.

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Dagmar:

...on FOX.

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Dagmar:

It's the merciful thing to do.

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** iamlindoro thinks translation review is a ton of fun. No, really. **

[03:43:49]

iamlindoro:

no. Really.

[03:43:59]

iamlindoro:

Why are you looking at me like that, I... I...

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iamlindoro:

*sob*

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wagnerrp:

wonder who has to do the swedish review

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wagnerrp:

i work with a couple of swedes, and i could swear whenever they pick up the phone and start talking, theyre just mumbling incoherent gibberish

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iamlindoro:

Think that's one of reynaldo's languages

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wagnerrp:

aside from maybe aboriginal clicks and pops, ive not heard a language that sounds more foreign to me

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wagnerrp:

ever used kexec?

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iamlindoro:

I haven't

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Dagmar:

No, and I don't care to.

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Dagmar:

I'm fine with calling shutdown -r

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wagnerrp:

this isnt to speed up rebooting, this is to prevent me from having to hit power buttons around the house

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Dagmar:

You have to hit the power button after telling the machine to reboot?

[03:51:26]

wagnerrp:

im trying to move all my myth systems to a single boot image, each with a relatively small unionfs overlay

[03:51:55]

wagnerrp:

i want to be able to be able to cycle all the machines into a 'holding image' whenever i want to update the base image

[03:52:13]

wagnerrp:

and ive never had much luck with WOL

[03:52:16]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

So... why would duplicating the image, modifying it, changing what the central server shares, and then rebooting them be a problem?

[03:53:38]

Dagmar:

Seems like the simplest way around the problem to me

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wagnerrp:

well i would have to precisely time all the machines rebooting, with swapping out the image

[03:54:11]

wagnerrp:

either that, or i just make a script that changes their default boot sequence in pxelinux

[03:55:06]

Dagmar:

Wait...

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Dagmar:

You should be able to just change the image and then restart any userspace stuff that uses it

[03:56:13]

Dagmar:

A script that jumps you run runlevel 4/5 to 2 and then back to 4/5 should do it

[03:56:54]

Dagmar:

Ah nevermind me

[03:56:58]

Dagmar:

I had salad for lunch today.

[03:57:35]

Dagmar:

FOod without meat

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Dagmar:

I don't know why people bother

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wagnerrp:

i also need to figure out where to have the shutdown scripts remount the rw overlay

[04:00:13]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, NBC cranked to a curiously high bitrate for tonight's Heroes

[04:00:20]

iamlindoro:

local NBC, that is to say

[04:00:29]

wagnerrp:

simply fsck'ing it every boot isnt an ideal solution

[04:01:16]

wagnerrp:

12.3mbps here

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wagnerrp:

that cant be right... must have miscalculated

[04:01:35]

iamlindoro:

only an hour in so far tonight, but: bitrate: 17890 kb/s

[04:01:48]

iamlindoro:

average could end up lower, but not bad for getting it from QAM

[04:02:06]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i miscalculated... its really only 11.8mbps

[04:02:27]

wagnerrp:

wow, thats absolutely pathetic

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if thats the cableco's doing

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iamlindoro:

There are so many halfassed translations I don't even know what to do

[04:05:39]

iamlindoro:

ones where someone went in and translated like 50 out of 500 strings and submitted the patch

[04:05:47]

wagnerrp:

who's funeral is this at the beginning of the show?

[04:06:01]

Dagmar:

Time-travelling carnie

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, waiting for my GF to watch

[04:06:11]

Dagmar:

That's really all they let you know, in total about that guy

[04:06:19]

Dagmar:

So, not much of a spoiler

[04:06:19]

wagnerrp:

while they play the rehash of the last three seasons

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wagnerrp:

this isnt a flashback episode is it?

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Dagmar:

No

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Dagmar:

It's a little trite in places tho

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Dagmar:

Like, with Lydia. You'll see her.

[04:07:20]

Dagmar:

If you don't connect the dots on that, ask me about it tomrorow

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wagnerrp:

a carnival out in the middle of nowhere, thats kind of creepy

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wagnerrp:

of course carnies are usually creepy in general

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Dagmar:

Not really nowhere, it's just where they're setup at the moment.

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Dagmar:

Probably someplace in Kansas or something

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cesman:

wagnerrp: they are taking your $ w/o the courtesy of a reach around ;)

[04:11:16]

wagnerrp:

you know... i would have requested a new roommate

[04:15:37]

wagnerrp:

you know, ive got a video game about what peter just did

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Dagmar:

Champions Online?

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wagnerrp:

linear algebra 170.... who takes linear algebra freshman year?

[04:18:18]

wagnerrp:

that was a 300 level course when i took it

[04:18:57]

wagnerrp:

even better, who takes linear algebra with the intent of being a lawyer/politician

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Dagmar:

...an over-achieveing asshole

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Dagmar:

But that's supposed to be college

[04:19:55]

Dagmar:

They should have had something more complex than a set of bloody quadratics on the whiteboard

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wagnerrp:

and to top it all off, who considers high-school level multi-variable algebra to be 'linear algebra', and would use it for a placement test

[04:20:13]

Dagmar:

I've not had calc in years and I could do those _problems_ in 45 minutes flat easily

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Dagmar:

It's just a crapload of writing to solve those

[04:20:35]

wagnerrp:

hell, i could probably do that just in my head

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Dagmar:

Big maybe that

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wagnerrp:

i could certainly spend 2 minutes typing it into my calculator

[04:21:20]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you've forgotten how much scribbling it takes to solve those

[04:21:37]

wagnerrp:

its not that hard, x, y, and z each have their own equation with no multiplier

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's cause you went to a retard school if linear algebra was a 300 level course

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Dagmar:

Seriously they're teaching that stuff in high schools now

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mchou:

wagnerrp: plenty of schools require linear algebra in freshman year

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mchou:

Dagmar: you confusion matrix manipulation with linear algebra

[04:29:15]

Dagmar:

No, I don't.

[04:29:24]

Dagmar:

I was in college before I ever saw matrix manipulation.

[04:29:36]

Dagmar:

My reaction was unpleasant to say the least.

[04:29:43]

Dagmar:

"That's not math, that's GEOMANCY"

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mchou:

Dagmar: then tell me what's the geometric intrepretation of determinant

[04:30:00]

Dagmar:

Tell me, how much do I give a f**k what you think

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Dagmar:

If you say anything more than "asymptotically approaching not a fig" you will be wrong.

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mchou:

Dagmar: cause no highschooler short of geniuses are gonna be that sophisticated

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Dagmar:

Tough luck for you then. I am a genius.

[04:31:02]

Dagmar:

I had freaking trig and calc in my junior year of high school

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mchou:

Dagmar: bullshit. You dont even know the geometric interpretation of determinant

[04:31:21]

Dagmar:

They started us on Algebra in the 9th grade, and that was public school.

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mchou:

lol

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[R]:

this is very annoying... every now and then i'll be watching something (using vdpau) and the frontend decides to crap itself and starts to use 100% cpu and then it kills my hdpvr... after like 15 minutes of solid kill -9 on various processes i can recover my system... is there something i can do to figure out why thsi is happening?

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Dagmar:

No, I just don't care what you think because you're a dick.

[04:32:26]

Dagmar:

[R]: It's likely happening because it's trunk, or because the recordings are coming down slightly corrupted, or any number of things.

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mchou:

Dagmar: no, you don't care cause you dont know, and dont have enough deep understanding of linear algebra beyond arithmetic manipulation

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[R]:

Dagmar: my X tends to use 100% also

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Dagmar:

[R]: Having the frontend started in a way that writes anything it says to stdout/stderr to a file so you can look at it later will help

[04:33:02]

Dagmar:

mchou: Back into the ignore list, fucktard

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[R]:

Dagmar: i do, but theres not much, just that there was an audio underrun and vdpau got preempted

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mchou:

hah, you're in deep denial

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Dagmar:

Acting a fool proves nothing because a 10-year old could have googled an answer for your pathetic question

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mchou:

Dagmar: you think I give a damn

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Dagmar:

[R]: There's also the standard advisory that it's _trunk_ and experimental

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[R]:

Dagmar: yeah

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[R]:

Dagmar: i guess i'll just stop trying to watch stuff while stuff is being recorded

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Dagmar:

If it crashes in the same place in a file, you've got something tho

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[R]:

its amazing how once i've killed all the cpu suckers, my hdpvr comes back to life

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Dagmar:

Make sure you're using the exact right USB chipset driver then and not one of the generic ones

[04:35:17]

[R]:

chipset driver?

[04:35:28]

Dagmar:

Yes. The thing which makes your USB ports work.

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[R]:

theres only the 1 ehci...

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Dagmar:

It's a driver.

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Dagmar:

Good, you don't have to worry about it then

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Dagmar:

There must be some other reason your HDPVR which has nothing to do with your CPU load at all mysteriously stops working when your CPU load is high

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Dagmar:

Perhaps they're Corsican devices

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[R]:

well my theory was that the kernel wasn't processing the usb packets cuz my runaway process was using 100% cpu

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Dagmar:

How about that "if your CPU is otherwise occupied, it can't even listen to the USB bus anymore"

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[R]:

i think i'm gonna wind up just getting a dual core

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[R]:

if the frontend is using 50% ram... should i get more? i only have 512

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wagnerrp:

that sounds about right

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[R]:

that i should get more?

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matt23:

Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at ./nwsxml.pl line 151.

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matt23:

ah drat you nwsxml.pl!

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matt23:

damn, can't get mythweather to load the nws for current conditions even after i fixed the script..mehh

[05:23:51]

wagnerrp:

as in... it has no location for your area?

[05:24:18]

wagnerrp:

try various different searches for different names for your area, different major cities around

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matt23:

i think some fields changed, there are 3 or 4 that throw a concat error

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matt23:

so i went in and nuked those 4 and got the script to run without errors

[05:25:07]

matt23:

but i can't seem to convince mythweather on the frontend to use the script/source.

[05:25:16]

matt23:

hm maybe i should put my script in my src dir and reinstall

[05:25:58]

matt23:

bbc-current-xml is nice and all, and is working, but seems to be like 5 hours behind heh

[05:27:08]

matt23:

hm another mythweather update in svn eh

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matt23:

arg

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wagnerrp:

there it is... some fugly Nissan

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matt23:

ugggh so annoying. ok time to find the mythweather people. oy..so close

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[R]:

if there is some noise at the top of some of my r ecordings

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[R]:

how can i get rid of it?

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[R]:

like visual noise...

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matt23:

er you sure that's not the vbi?

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[R]:

its from my hdpvr

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[R]:

thats how it looked when i watched it on my cable box also

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[R]:

so its not myth or the hdpvr introducing it

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matt23:

perhaps you could zoom in with the playback settings a bit?

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Dagmar:

It's still rather likely VBI or some similar mechanism

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[R]:

ok, so can i get rid of it some automatic way?

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[R]:

like crop for certain channels ro something?

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Dagmar:

You can put together a custom user job that will transcode it out if you like

[06:01:22]

[R]:

i think i remember a filter filters option per channel?

[06:01:28]

Dagmar:

...but the honest truth is that it would probably be there if you were watching the video directly

[06:01:28]

[R]:

video filters*

[06:01:44]

Dagmar:

afaik that doesn't really apply to the HD-PVR

[06:01:46]

[R]:

it is... i see it when i watch directly from the cable box

[06:01:54]

[R]:

oh well

[06:01:57]

[R]:

i'll just deal i guess

[06:02:06]

Dagmar:

It's not tuning so much as it is picking up on the digital stream, which specifies each and every pixel in each 1920x1080 or whatever frame

[06:02:30]

Dagmar:

Yeah if you transcode out one or two scan lines, you're just going to get image degradation you didn't want

[06:02:40]

matt23:

sounds like your tv itself has a bit of underscan ? weird

[06:02:52]

matt23:

and does that happen with atsc now?

[06:03:35]

[R]:

well right now i'm wathcing it on a regular sd cable channel

[06:04:18]

matt23:

any recent changes to your tv screen settings? playing in the service menu...? :)

[06:04:20]

Dagmar:

matt23: He's using an HD-PVR

[06:04:37]

Dagmar:

Those artifacts he's seeing are coming from his STB

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matt23:

doh...lame

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wagnerrp:

it just has to do entirely with lazy network engineers

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wagnerrp:

they are supposed to crop and convert the VBI data

[06:07:01]

wagnerrp:

but instead, they just expect overscan to take care of it

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[R]:

well that's lame

[06:08:57]

Dagmar:

...which is freaking sad since there's no excuse for that to make it into the wrong place in a _digital_ transmission

[06:09:33]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Since you were probably here and saw it I'll apologize to the channel as a whole for cussing at mchou earlier

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matt23:

R: you should complain to your provider..and play extra dumb, don't mention pvrmythtivoanything :)

[06:10:08]

Dagmar:

I had to put up with going to a redneck high school and a redneck college, so I'll be damned if I'll take crap from someone like him about supposedly not having had what few useful classes I did have

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wagnerrp:

dont mind me, im not one to mind the language, and he was being a dick

[06:10:34]

[R]:

matt23: haha, yeah, except i really hate calling them, i dont know if i could pretend to be dumber than the person

[06:10:47]

matt23:

yeah that can be a challenge :P

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[R]:

matt23: i once called asking about firewire and she was like "firewall? oh let me transfer you"

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matt23:

heh

[06:11:19]

mchou:

wagnerrp: I was being a dict for asking him the geometrical interpretation of determinant?

[06:11:26]

mchou:

dick*

[06:11:44]

mchou:

wagnerrp: speak for yourself, dick

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paperclip:

i once called bellsouth to let them know their dns server was down.. the guy told me they used dhcp and didn't need dns..

[06:12:33]

wagnerrp:

you were being a dick for making an insulting argument when there was no purpose to it

[06:12:53]

wagnerrp:

you were picking a fight

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mchou:

wagnerrp: it's clear dagmar didn't even know what linear algebra was when 'he mentioned I took algebra and trig in 9th grade'

[06:13:17]

[R]:

paperclip: haha

[06:13:19]

wagnerrp:

he was talking about the stuff on the show

[06:13:21]

matt23:

paperclip: it's dynamic now, thanks to microsoft

[06:13:27]

wagnerrp:

which was basic algebra

[06:13:39]

wagnerrp:

not advanced calculus

[06:13:58]

mchou:

wagnerrp: exactly. doesnt have much to do with linear algebra AT ALL

[06:13:58]

paperclip:

so.. i say.. how do you resolve ip addresses for things like yahoo.com?

[06:14:04]

paperclip:

that was not in the script..

[06:14:30]

mchou:

wagnerrp: vector spaces. all that jazz. In other words Dagmar was out of his depth

[06:14:32]

Dagmar:

Especially irksome is that my kindergarden and third grade teacher (had her twice, she should have been fired when I was in Kindergarten) actually screwed me over big time when I *completed* the IQ test they gave us

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matt23:

dude you can't complete the kobayashi maru

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Dagmar:

Redneck elementary school suddenly has some kid _complete_ one and they get freaked out and ask questions and don't know any better when the kid's teacher tells them that she saw me _cheating_ on it

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matt23:

well of course you were, you had the Cliff's Notes to IQ Tests for 3rd Graders

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Dagmar:

You can't cheat on those things, but they don't know that because they're hillbillies and rednecks ten feet deep over there

[06:15:55]

Dagmar:

So I got to take it again, with her, my mother, and the freaking principle looming over me

[06:16:04]

Dagmar:

I was so freaked out I never got to the last seven.

[06:16:07]

Dagmar:

That gets you a 135.

[06:16:28]

Dagmar:

I skipped the last seven on every IQ test they gave after that. 135 every time.

[06:16:50]

matt23:

shoulda just skipped the last one, thus not completing it

[06:16:54]

Dagmar:

I caught enough flak from my parents about not having straight A's as it was without them having an even higher number to cite

[06:17:41]

Dagmar:

"You're a genius so you should be doing better in those classes. You're just so lazy." blah blah blah

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mchou:

dagmar is a genius in his own mind

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Dagmar:

They need to make kids who are in algebra play WoW now.

[06:19:08]

mchou:

[21:31:21] <Dagmar> They started us on Algebra in the 9th grade, and that was public school.

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[R]:

is it possilbe to get the resolution information for a recording?

[06:19:18]

Dagmar:

yes

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Dagmar:

ffmpeg can tell you, but I prefer to use the midentify binary, which is part of MPlayer

[06:20:14]

Dagmar:

It's got a cool mode that can emit all the information as key=value pairs you can put to use with your code.

[06:20:32]

RyeBrye:

I once heard a mother discussing her child's above-average height. "She's always in the one-hundred fifth percentile." It was clear that her mother was not in the "105%" of her stats class.

[06:20:33]

wagnerrp:

i thought midentify was just a wrapper script

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Dagmar:

It is

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mchou:

Dagmar: I dont know of a public school that DOESNT start algebra in the ninth grad. In fact in virtually a schhols you must pass algrebra at the end of 9th grade in order to move on to trig/geometry

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Dagmar:

Works freaking great

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mchou:

greade*

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Dagmar:

VLC will occasionally tell me some whacked things, but midentify always seems to be able to tell with the stranger codecs

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matt23:

we did algebra in 8th grade..and thus began my long drawn out split from the joy of math

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Dagmar:

Yeah, a kid in the eighth grade has NO context for that stuff yet

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[R]:

Dagmar: midentify is saying 0/0 for the width and height

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Dagmar:

[R]: So lord only knows what's going on in that file then

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[R]:

it's from the hdpvr

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Dagmar:

...or mplayer doesn't have support for that codec

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Dagmar:

So does it at least realize it's h.264?

[06:24:29]

Dagmar:

It *should*

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Dagmar:

matt23: ...however, now there's World of Warcraft

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matt23:

heh

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[R]:

mplayer can play it

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Dagmar:

matt23: Unfortunately, the damn game is so complex that you HAVE to use advanced calculus to accurately predict what a given set of gear can do.

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Dagmar:

*DING*

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matt23:

you're right, put it in a curriculum

[06:25:30]

Dagmar:

Houston, we have context suitable for 8th graders.

[06:25:56]

Dagmar:

You could easily explain algebra to them in terms of game mechanics, even if they'd never played

[06:27:21]

Dagmar:

The only thing that made it click for me was that I started dabbling in computer animation

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[R]:

i'm using like 60% cpu on xv playback

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[R]:

that doesnt seem right

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Dagmar:

If you're playing back a big h.264 stream it might well be

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[R]:

well its 480p h264

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wagnerrp:

[R]: youre using a P4 Celeron, dont expect much

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[R]:

haha

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Dagmar:

You're getting off easy

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[R]:

i have issues with vdpau, so if i could avoid using it in certain situations, it would be best

[06:28:40]

Dagmar:

A 1080 stream can bring my old 2.2Ghz maching to it's knees

[06:29:05]

wagnerrp:

1080 what?

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Dagmar:

h.264 looooves the taste of your clockcycles

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Big Buck Bunny

[06:29:38]

** paperclip needs to download that again **

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Dagmar:

Some of the versions of that you could really tell the CPU was about 15% shy of what it needed to be

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[R]:

well the opengl renderer uses even more

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[R]:

guess i'm stuck with vdpau

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Dagmar:

I thought I was getting wonky encodes from people

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean bitrate and codec are more meaningful than 1080-something

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wagnerrp:

deinterlacers not withstanding

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Dagmar:

It was a high-def h.264 stream of Big Buck Bunnyu

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Dagmar:

Ludicrously detailed high def

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Dagmar:

He's _really_ hairy

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[R]:

i think i read somewhere... just want to confirm it... you can't set the playback decoder based on the codec right?

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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wagnerrp:

resolution only

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** [R] ponders how difficult it would be to do that **

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Dagmar:

I got paranoid and nuked them all and then put in very specific rules about everything

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Dagmar:

Didn't help. Heh

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Dagmar:

[R]: Make a few and delete them

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[R]:

Dagmar: ?

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wagnerrp:

the standard suggestion is to nuke the whole system and replace it

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Dagmar:

Just go into that bit of the config menus, add a new profile, and fill in the blanks in what looks like it makes sense to you

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Dagmar:

THen look at what you get, maybe compare it to the ones that were in there before, and make a decision

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wagnerrp:

~$150 will get you an AMD system capable of playing HDPVR recordings in software

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Dagmar:

Yeah that's about what I spent on this motherboard and CPU I'm using now

[06:34:03]

Dagmar:

2.6ghz core

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[R]:

yeah i know

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[R]:

this is what i had, so i figured i might as well see what it can do

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Dagmar:

What video card do you have in it?

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[R]:

8400GS

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Dagmar:

Well, if vdpau works you're probably set

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[R]:

wagnerrp: how fast do you need it?

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[R]:

Dagmar: its flaky

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[R]:

like i said before, sometimes my frontend will just crap itself and start using 100% cpu

[06:35:31]

[R]:

i think i need to throw more ram in there

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[R]:

see what happens

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[R]:

right now top claims the frontend is using 60% ram

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Dagmar:

Now that I know you have the dinky P4 tho, something else you said makes perfect sense

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Dagmar:

Yes, you are GOING to have problems doing USB transfers when the machine is under high CPU load

[06:36:38]

[R]:

but it *shouldn't* be

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[R]:

tahts the thing

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you can get a 2.9 Athlon II for $70

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wagnerrp:

that should manage full bitrate recordings off an HDPVR

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[R]:

i teally hate how no one says how fast the processor is anymmore... you gotta lookup on the magic decoder ring

[06:38:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah but it only takes like two nights of poking around with Google and NewEgg to get up to speed

[06:38:08]

wagnerrp:

or depending on your board, it may be cheaper to pick up an Allendale chip (pentium dual-core and low end core2)

[06:38:14]

matt23:

well know that low level2 cache (like a celeron) is generally not good for math

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matt23:

128k ftl

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wagnerrp:

got nothing to do with math

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matt23:

i didn't ask for a dime!

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wagnerrp:

its just far less that it can do before it has to bump up to main memory

[06:38:52]

matt23:

i want my two dollars!

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[R]:

could i keep my current board? or should i just get a new one?

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Dagmar:

You can probably find one with an 8400 built into i

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what chipset is your board?

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Dagmar:

t

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[R]:

my dad found a nice amd with an 8300 or an 8200, i forget which one

[06:40:05]

[R]:

wagnerrp: like a via pm800

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wagnerrp:

ech... via

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[R]:

its 4 years old

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Dagmar:

ASUS M3N78-EM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard – Retail < $89

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[R]:

Dagmar: but is that just the board or with the cpu?

[06:41:31]

Dagmar:

Just the board, with the 8300 chipset built in

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wagnerrp:

just the board

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[R]:

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/ads/2009/ . . . -Motherboard

[06:41:41]

[R]:

well hows something like that

[06:41:45]

wagnerrp:

i think i paid $75 for mine

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Dagmar:

ASRock K10N78M AM3/AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8100 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard – Retail < $55.

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wagnerrp:

err... no, i have the VM, 8200

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[R]:

i already have an 8400 pci express

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[R]:

so the onboard video isn't that important

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Dagmar:

Both of those will take literalyl any AMD CPU you want to throw at them, boatloads of RAM, and that one has PCIe slots, etc

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Dagmar:

DDR2, but not such a big deal for this

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wagnerrp:

the video chip makes no difference for decoding, only deinterlacing

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[R]:

i could not get stable recording with 1080i

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Dagmar:

vdpau isn't decoding h.264?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it does just fine

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[R]:

my cable box is set to 480p/720p

[06:44:07]

wagnerrp:

but even the high end onboard chips struggle with 1080i deint

[06:44:26]

[R]:

i have like advanced 1x turned on

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[R]:

it seems fine to me

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wagnerrp:

youre not using any deint

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[R]:

on my qam i am

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wagnerrp:

no, youre not

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[R]:

1080i

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wagnerrp:

erm... you mean a QAM tuner? not the cable box?

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[R]:

yeah, i have a qam tuner in addition to the hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

what video card are you using?

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[R]:

8400gs

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[R]:

with the g98

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wagnerrp:

yeah, adv 1x is probably right about at its limit

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[R]:

i've tried playing around with getting an interlaced output from my computer

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[R]:

haven't had success yet though

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mchou:

[R]: I dont think that mobo from frys has PCI-E x1 (crippleware)

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[R]:

the msi website says it has 2

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mchou:

[R]: I think it has 2 PCI, PCI-E x16, and that's it

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wagnerrp:

looks to have 1 pcie x16, 2 pcie x1, and 3 pci

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[R]:

http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&am . . . prod_no=1812

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mchou:

[R]: ah, nm. confused it w/ another

[06:51:40]

[R]:

my dad has some RAM lying around... i need to figure out what it is

[06:51:59]

mchou:

[R]: sometimes frys sells some really crippleware mobos

[06:52:03]

wagnerrp:

square or rectangular chips?

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[R]:

oh i have no clue

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[R]:

mchou: i've never really had too much bad luck

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wagnerrp:

square, its DDR2

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wagnerrp:

rectangular with 1 notch, its DDR1

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mchou:

[R]: RAM should be cheap if it's DDR2 (at frys)

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wagnerrp:

2 notches, its SDR

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[R]:

i think i'm gonna need to leanr to use craigslist

[06:54:09]

[R]:

learn how*

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mchou:

DDR3 for that MSI mobo, wont be quite as cheap

[06:54:55]

mchou:

[R]: craigslist isn't all that great for computer parts

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[R]:

mchou: sell, not buy

[06:55:30]

mchou:

[R]: either selling or buying.....

[06:55:41]

[R]:

oh

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[R]:

a friend was showing me some stuff

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[R]:

its free to use craigslist right? so how does the site make money?

[06:57:46]

mchou:

brand new computer parts is always so cheap that it almost makes no sense for buyers to congregate to CL. (Sellers ask too high prices too)

[06:57:47]

paperclip:

they sell some ads..

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paperclip:

for job listings

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paperclip:

er.. parts are always so cheap

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mchou:

paperclip: dont be didactic on grammar

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paperclip:

don't

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mchou:

paperclip: haha

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hachi_:

doot

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hachi:

hey, is there a decently safe way I can scan for new channels with my mythtv?

[07:00:11]

mchou:

way too lazy to use shift for punctuations

[07:00:16]

hachi:

on a digital card

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mchou:

hachi: depends where you are

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[R]:

safe?

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hachi:

soviet america

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[R]:

are you worried about yoru computer catching fire or something?

[07:00:54]

hachi:

I don't want it to destroy my existing channel settings

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mchou:

hachi: QAM? ATSC?

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hachi:

cause I spent a while naming the channels

[07:01:09]

mchou:

hachi: back up the DB

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[R]:

hachi: thats what backups were invented for

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hachi:

hang on, I'll figure that out as soon as I can get -setup to launch

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mchou:

???

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hachi:

okiedokie

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hachi:

fair enough

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mchou:

hachi: QAM, ATSC for source?

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hachi:

one of those two, I'm looking to see specifically which now

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mchou:

god

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mchou:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

broadcast or cable?

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hachi:

cable, mythtv says "QAM subtype ATSC"

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mchou:

hachi: who is your cable provider?

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hachi:

if I say 'scan', it says broadcast 8-VSB

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hachi:

Astound

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hachi:

I don't know if the channel scanner is remembering my previous settings or not

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hachi:

backing up now

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hachi:

I can't find any decent way to figure out the scan settings I should use

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mchou:

hachi: read the mythtv official docs

[07:12:34]

mchou:

it's all covered in there

[07:13:02]

justinh:

default scan settings should work most of the time

[07:13:10]

mchou:

lol

[07:13:29]

justinh:

and if you can't 'find any decent way to figure out the scan settings' surely that just means you can't figure out what settings to use :P

[07:13:30]

hachi:

bad timing justinh, I'm talking about a DVB card :]

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mchou:

justinh, you dont even understand the context since you just joined

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justinh:

figured that much, since analogue scanning is of little relevance

[07:14:03]

[R]:

oh man

[07:14:06]

[R]:

i love it when cops is in HD

[07:14:26]

[R]:

i really hate buying stuff from china on ebay... i really need my optical audio cable

[07:14:40]

mchou:

justinh: then why did you say this? [00:13:02] <justinh> default scan settings should work most of the time

[07:14:54]

justinh:

been reading up about the BBC's latest bitrate reduction on their 'HD' channel. Seems like their new encoders need bedding in

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mchou:

[R]: lol

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justinh:

s/bedding in/thrown out & replaced with the old ones with a better bitrate

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mchou:

[R]: you cant get an optical cable in whatever country you live?

[07:15:31]

[R]:

mchou: this one was only $2

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[R]:

mchou: i can wait the 2 weeks... i just hate the waiting

[07:15:57]

mchou:

[R]: that includes shipping?

[07:16:00]

[R]:

yup

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[R]:

buy it now for 0.99 with 0.99 shipping

[07:16:09]

sid3windr:

dealxtreme ftw though :]

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justinh:

hachi: all you need to sort out is whether you need to include encrypted channels or not, and whether or not to ignore audio only channels

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[R]:

sid3windr: it was $5 there

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hachi:

justinh: how do I figure out whether to scan with QAM-* or whatever, there's a bunch of settings

[07:16:57]

hachi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dvbscan

[07:17:04]

wagnerrp:

hachi: you are using a QAM card with digital cable

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[R]:

hachi: if its cable, its qam 256

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xaxes:

hey there.. is there any way to get mythfrontend "catched in a window"? I enabled the option, but starting mythfrontend, It takes place about both screens .. after I forced it to go in a window (wmii can do this) it hold the video-size.. so I only see half of mythfrontend..excuse my bad english please ;)

[07:17:13]

wagnerrp:

you almost certainly want qam-256

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justinh:

dvbscan? WTF does that have to do with mythtv?

[07:17:22]

wagnerrp:

and you want to ignore any encrypted channels

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hachi:

I was looking at that page

[07:17:36]

hachi:

it didn't seem right

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hachi:

but I was about to ask if it had anything to do with what I was doing

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justinh:

surely when you scan for channels you want them to go right into mythtv, so scan for channels in mythtv-setup

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mchou:

lord

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justinh:

and btw that's usually after deleting all your channels. seems the best way of catching everything & existing channels being updated properly

[07:18:47]

mchou:

justinh: not if it's borked, like it has been for the last 2 yrs

[07:19:23]

hachi:

mchou: if I may ask you... do you think I should be able to use this 'dvbscan' tool to scan for channels on my card?

[07:19:42]

mchou:

hachi: that's what I recommend

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justinh:

mchou: I know it's borked, but that's the 'official' line

[07:20:14]

hachi:

the reason I thought it didn't seem right is that I can't see any templates that are for my area

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justinh:

nothing gets fixed properly but hey it's open source

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hachi:

I see germany, and tons of other countries, but none of them are 'us-'

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mchou:

hachi: you can TRY the scanner in mythtv-setup but sucess rate on that is low unless you have code base from less than 2 weeks ago

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mchou:

justinh: stfu. It's borked for real

[07:20:57]

Dagmar:

Maybe youv'e gotten dvb-s and dvb-t mixed up

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hachi:

no, I've got a very long list... uno momento

[07:21:34]

Dagmar:

One of them is decidedly not in the US

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hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/18020

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justinh:

mchou: will you just chill the f out for once? I dunno how the hell you're still here anyway

[07:22:51]

hachi:

you know, when you two just fight... I can't tell who to believe

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mchou:

justinh: not giving out false info, unlike you

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hachi:

so I'm listening to you both

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hachi:

I used the mythtv scanner last time, it wasn't exactly easy

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justinh:

hachi: no point listening to me. I mean according to some all I talk is blatant BS anyway

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mchou:

hachi: justinh lives in the UK

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hachi:

I'm going to try this scan tool if I can for giggles, maybe I'll like it better

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mchou:

hachi: he doesnt know jack shit about systems in the US

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wagnerrp:

if those are all the channels you have, somehow you have managed to install dvb-utils without the US frequency sets

[07:24:23]

wagnerrp:

s/channels/tables/

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justinh:

I'm not looking forward to rescanning either. It's always been a total PITA, even without taking into account getting channel icons and using XMLTV for guide data

[07:24:31]

hachi:

that would be debian for me

[07:24:36]

hachi:

so I'll dig it out myself

[07:24:39]

hachi:

thanks debian

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hachi:

I bet there was some licensing issue

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mchou:

lol

[07:25:18]

mchou:

there is NO licensing issue

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mchou:

wtf??

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression the channels.conf import tool in mythtv did not work properly

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mchou:

oh lord

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justinh:

er what kind of licensing issue could there be on config files ffs? they're living in debian land

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hachi:

even if it doesn't, I may be able to use this tool every couple weeks to make a diff-able output that I can see if there are new channels for me to tune

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justinh:

wagnerrp: could be :)

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mchou:

you dont need to use myth import of channels.conf

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justinh:

hachi: you generally notice you have to rescan when mythtv begins to fail to record spectacularly

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wagnerrp:

so this person clearly has no idea what any of these terms means, and you are going to advise him to tinker in the database to add the channels manually?

[07:27:22]

mchou:

wagnerrp: what are you, daft?

[07:28:08]

wagnerrp:

merely stating the obvious

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justinh:

see, I love open source because of this. So much 'fun' isn't it? :P

[07:28:22]

wagnerrp:

cant use the scanner, cant use the import tool, what else is left?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: magic wand?

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hachi:

I'm actually just fine toying with a database... I may not know dvb and other television terminology

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mchou:

wagnerrp: the operative fallacy was "manual"

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hachi:

but I do talk to the mysql core hackers on a fairly regular basis

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mchou:

lol

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hachi:

this doesn't help me here though

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mchou:

hachi: I wonder if scte65scan works with your cable provider :)

[07:32:43]

mchou:

hachi: if so, that's the easiest route

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hachi:

hah, so... my system DOES have the us channel things... it just wasn't showing them for some bloody reason

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justinh:

hachi: but the point is, manual DB wrangling isn't encouraged here. there's a lot can (and generally DOES) go wrong

[07:34:22]

hachi:

I believe you, I don't plan to play in it

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hachi:

at most I plan to back it up, and restore it if I break something

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_ben:

Moanin

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_ben:

talking of the scanner, i'm going to have terrible problems come 30th Sept when I'll need to retune

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justinh:

_ben: aren't all of us?

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mchou:

by then .22 should be out :)

[07:39:09]

justinh:

delete all channels, rescan, cross fingers, sacrifice the goat... put the xmltvids back in the database, redo the channel icons...

[07:39:10]

hachi:

I'll just assume you're trolling

[07:39:14]

mchou:

maybe by then channel scanning will work for reals

[07:39:48]

mchou:

hachi: why?

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justinh:

_ben: and that's just the first of the times we'll have rescanning imposed upon us :(

[07:40:02]

_ben:

Heh

[07:40:13]

justinh:

book a day off work

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_ben:

wonder what the status of HD over freeview is

[07:40:26]

justinh:

_ben: dvb-t2 tuners are not yet available

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mchou:

I dont understand why all you guys bitch and moan about scanning anyways

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justinh:

and from what I've seen said about BBC HD on satellite, freeview HD will look like shit

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_ben:

mchou: cos it's broken? :p

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mchou:

_ben: I was the one who guided you throught the workaround

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mchou:

_ben: well aware is borked

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mchou:

it's*

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_ben:

Yeah, but it turned out i couldn't import that channels.conf

[07:41:51]

_ben:

I just need to look at it when I have more time+patience ;)

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mchou:

_ben: only if you insist on using myth import

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_ben:

hence time needed to suss out the db schema

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mchou:

nothing a little join in a temp table cant solve

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justinh:

_ben: if no channels change number/name then a plain full scan (not of existing transports) should work

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justinh:

_ben: but since in a lot of places channels will be disappearing (yeah they will) it's delete everything then scan :(

[07:43:26]

_ben:

yeah

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justinh:

you shouldn't have to go to the extremes that some have suggested on freeview scanning threads on -users, though

[07:45:15]

_ben:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6867

[07:45:22]

_ben:

those screenshots are the kinda things i see

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justinh:

wtf are the screenshots zipped for?

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_ben:

hehe

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hachi:

because they haven't heard of zlib compression

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justinh:

why didn't they just attach 5 screenshots as jpegs rather than make it a ballache to open them?

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justinh:

ach well. another reason not to upgrade to 0.22 as soon as it's out :)

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_ben:

mm, well

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_ben:

trunk is nice and shiny tho

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justinh:

shiny but not working is as useless as not shiny

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_ben:

yeah

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_ben:

i can see me going back to .21 come 30th

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justinh:

and no, I don't see mythui as a valid reason to upgrade

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[R]:

justinh: but it look really slick

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justinh:

[R]: no it doesn't

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[R]:

i relaly like Terra

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justinh:

never been a fan of horizontal menus. and that leaves erm.. Graphite – which is intended to be used with metadata I don't care for much

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xaxes:

where can I set the default window-size of mythtv, or that mythfrontend will adjust its video dimensions automatically according to the window-size it's in

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, you can't resize the window in that way.

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Dibblah:

Myth really doesn't do well as a "standard" desktop app.

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xaxes:

mhh

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xaxes:

*got some coffee, brb

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justinh:

you still can't dynamically resize the window. somebody was looking at doing that, but most people wouldn't benefit

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Dibblah:

Shiney is not useful. Shiney is just shiney.

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xaxes:

ok thx to you .. seems that I should try to replace the other screen .. hope it's not the graphics card.. see ya

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matt23:

i found it! hah you bastages

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matt23:

in case anyone is wondering my mythweather won't bring up NWS for current conditions in the SVN versions...

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matt23:

all because of this line in weather-screens.xml:

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matt23:

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matt23:

i'll file a bug tomorrow. woot etc. arrr! that was drivin me nuts!

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matt23:

...as the sea captain said

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justinh:

wonder if there are any other media platforms that can do arbitrary skipping & timestretched playback

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xaxes:

hey .. got the screen working :D but another question... can I set a default audio-track? mp2 instead of ac3?

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ServerSage:

So I'm trying to figure out what channels I use the most in order to figure out what package I need to get with my new dish provider. What table do I look in inside the DB to figure out how many records I have for each channel?

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ServerSage:

Think I got it, never mind. :)

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xaxes:

how to set default audio-track for channels? ;)

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love has not been seen here

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stuarta:

gbee: there's your answer

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Dibblah:

!seen common_sense

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MythLogBot:

common_sense has not been seen here

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gbee:

!seen sanity

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MythLogBot:

sanity has not been seen here

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gbee:

see, I thought so

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stuarta:

:)

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janneg:

!seen common_sense

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MythLogBot:

common_sense was last seen 36 seconds ago

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janneg:

there it is

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MarcT:

!seen sanity

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sanity was last seen 1 minute 47 seconds ago

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stuarta:

boo hiss...

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jblack:

Hey, google for "ascii art".

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** stuarta can't be arse **

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stuarta:

d

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Josh__:

Sigh, I'm about tired of fighting Gentoo. Anyone have a suggested distro for a headless file/web server, web proxy, and mythtv backend?

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wombo:

ubuntu

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jblack:

yeah. ubuntu.

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stuarta:

the ubuntu server edition lets you drop a LAMP install in about 5 mins

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Josh__:

Hmm, I didnt know ubuntu had a server edition.

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wombo:

and then you can just apt-get mythtv

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stuarta:

personally i use debian

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stuarta:

and roll my own mythtv

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stuarta:

basically, whatever you are most comfortable with

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Josh__:

I'm not gonna change distros/reintall until 0.22 is released.. I've been using Gentoo on my closet server for years now.

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Josh__:

I'm just tired of the circular dependancies and package blocks.

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stuarta:

yeah, the server edition is only found under the "other installation" area (it's been a while since i looked)

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stuarta:

fm, its on the front page these days

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Josh__:

I'm just impressed by the ease of upgrading my Ubuntu laptop to QT4, and having trunk installed without too terribly much reconfiguration.

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Josh__:

Let me do some reading, thanks guys.

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justinh:

perish the thought of anybody stopping somebody doing some reading :P

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_ben:

:D

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stuarta:

him advanced user

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stuarta:

capable of reading

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** stuarta ducks **

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** Josh__ throws a "Teach yourself Linux in 3 days" bible **

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justinh:

well, looks like mythtv still wins. XBMC has no timestretch, no arbitrary skip. Absolute skip.. wtf use is that?

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Josh__:

I used to use XBMC when it was my default xbox dashboard. It was fine as a video player, I don't put a whole lot of confidence in a third party frontend "compatible with mythtv"

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justinh:

oh I must've forgotten. downloaded tv episodes don't have ads

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sid3windr:

so um

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sid3windr:

if something is broadcasted on tv, and you "tape" it with myth, or you download the same ep

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sid3windr:

why is one worse than the other? =)

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sid3windr:

(yes yes I know legal issues are offtopic here)

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sid3windr:

:>

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laga:

no

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justinh:

because Sony won a court case years ago which ruled that recording TV is fine :)

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laga:

they are not off-topic here

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justinh:

dunno how that applies to the rest of the world.. i.e. non-US folks

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justinh:

and there's not yet been a case of a public (i.e. non-commercial) broadcaster taking a file sharer to court.. so...

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justinh:

at least not any reported in der meeja ;)

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Josh__:

Why would one want to slow down the interrupt timer on a server?

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stuarta:

less contexts switches

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Josh__:

stuarta: huhwhat?

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laga:

ah, moar throughput?

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laga:

what exactly does an interrupt timer do?

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stuarta:

it's essentially a tradeoff thing

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stuarta:

the higher the interrupt rate the quicker the machine appears to respond

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stuarta:

this is better if you have interactive usage of the machine

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sid3windr:

laga: ah, right, only circumvention of, true; but still, a bit off topic here because it's not about myth per se ;)

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stuarta:

however on a server you don't want to be swapping between tasks as much (a context switch) as this lowers overall performance

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sid3windr:

tickless kernel!

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jduggan:

justinh: wb mate

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laga:

sid3windr: no, the point was it's not off-topic here, it's topic that's not to be talked about usually ;)

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sid3windr:

uhu :)

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justinh:

jduggan: as predicted no doubt. I'm bored

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sid3windr:

so anyway

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sid3windr:

I hear .22 is to be released today!

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jduggan:

justinh: we all come back in the end :)

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** stuarta laughs at sid3windr **

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sid3windr:

trolling fail? :>

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laga:

yes

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Josh__:

subject matter deflection fail

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stuarta:

motivation fail

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justinh:

whether or not I put linux back on my laptop & play with code in future.. debateable

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** Josh__ thinks it's time to get his Cobalt RaQ2 out of the closet :) **

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Josh__:

200mhz mythtv backend fail

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justinh:

holy poop. I tell purchasing dept. I'd like 300 off crimps please ASAP & they go getting them as samples. 6 week lead time because they're samples

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justinh:

could have them tomorrow if they'd paid

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stuarta:

idiots

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justinh:

why must the pretty ones all be so useless?

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stuarta:

it's their nature

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justinh:

we made the fat bloater who was good at her job redundant

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justinh:

bloody hell. mini-itx are selling ION boards/systems now. the price of those compared to what I paid for my M10k board originally

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justinh:

and not so very long ago too. heh

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ExElNeT:

has anyone tried dvb-s2 hd recording with mythtv? what hardware would be needed? i gues at least dualcore?

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stuarta:

recording is just bit banging

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stuarta:

it doesn't take much cpu

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stuarta:

playback is however, a completely different kettle of fish

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ExElNeT:

stuarta: ah ok so the decoding takes tons of cpu power? ... hmm

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justinh:

if you use the CPU, yeah

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ExElNeT:

justinh: and if not? hardware acceleration by the card?

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justinh:

but then neither dvb-s2 or GPU acceleration are available in 0.21

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justinh:

hardware decoding by binary drivers in conjunction with your VGA card

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justinh:

nvidia GPU only

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ExElNeT:

ah ok... but that will need a powerfull gpu... which uses a lot of power...doh.. ;/

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

not that much power

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justinh:

and it'd only use power when it's decoding video, as ANY hardware decoder would

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justinh:

I mean obviously it always uses *some* power when it's turned on, but it won't always be pulling the max ;)

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justinh:

get a fanless 9400gt or so, that's what they reckon round here

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justinh:

or nvidia ION platform board

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stuarta:

that why you were interested in the ION board?

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justinh:

I was just looking

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justinh:

I wouldn't be interested in one for compiling :P

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ExElNeT:

hrhr well the _some_ power does not apply to my gtx260 ^^ ... 9400gt... ok

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justinh:

ExElNeT: when it's not doing much it shouldn't pull that much juice

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justinh:

cards with external power connectors on them prolly aren't much use for linux uses anyway ;-)

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Essobi:

Morning.

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justinh:

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