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Saturday, September 19th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
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[00:00:19] Josh__: sphery, haha, my wife and I like to point out how our friends fit with the characters in that series.
[00:00:35] sigkill_: Josh__, ok, thats fine for now, ultimately, what id probably like, is to transcode into lower bitrate/quality and maybe shove in mythvideo, but also take the original filename/show details and shove it in db, is there any provision for that? my user contributed scripts one can call as a user job?
[00:00:55] sigkill_: s/my/maybe/
[00:01:21] Josh__: sigkill_, if you want to do that, it might be better/easier to use mencoder.
[00:01:27] Josh__: and set up a job to run.
[00:01:48] Josh__: sigkill_, mencoder would leave the original mpeg intact.
[00:02:15] sigkill_: ok, got that part, the bit where it gets put in mythvideo with the same metadata is what i'm more concerned about
[00:02:42] Josh__: sigkill_, ooh, I havent learned how to use metadata in mythvideo yet.
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[00:03:06] sigkill_: Josh__, no problem
[00:03:09] marc-us: or you could use mencoder to replace the file and myth would point to the new smaller file?
[00:03:37] marc-us: retaining the metadata
[00:03:57] sigkill_: marc-us, the file im `replacing` is recorded from a HD source, i want to keep that for my main living room HD capable tv, i want to transcode into lower bitrate so i can also play it on a SD capable only frontend
[00:04:08] Josh__: marc-us, he would like two copies. The HD to play in the living room, and the SD version for his bedroom, apparently.
[00:04:10] marc-us: Understood
[00:04:19] sigkill_: Josh__, got it in one
[00:04:47] sigkill_: im one of those weird people that have to sleep with a tv on
[00:05:09] sigkill_: my bedroom mythfrontend is a fanless atom box which isnt capable of HD :P
[00:05:38] marc-us: hmm... When I transcode I have the files placed into folders with name of the episode in the title. Flolder has show name... but date time etc and show description lost
[00:06:14] Josh__: I'm at the point now where I want to switch my daily system to trunk, but I'm still skeered.
[00:06:28] sigkill_: i only just upgraded frmo .19
[00:06:35] sigkill_: there's no way im going to trunk yet heh
[00:06:42] J-e-f-f-A: [ot] Ha! I should replace my son's cell phone with one of these 'special' cell phones... ;-) http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=96
[00:06:58] sigkill_: i only even went to .21 because i replaced my sources with dvb-s and i really need to upgrade everything
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[00:07:24] marc-us: I'm usually afraid to change anything except security updates
[00:07:48] sigkill_: im not concerned with security updates on my myth setup
[00:08:10] Josh__: J-e-f-f-A, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/
[00:08:33] marc-us: do you use a distribution centric myth build or did you roll your own?
[00:09:05] Josh__: marc-us, I ran mythbackend on gentoo, and I use ubuntu for my frontends.
[00:09:11] Josh__: No idea why really.
[00:09:21] marc-us: ah interesting
[00:09:47] marc-us: use ubuntu on my backend and a popcorn hour for remote viewing
[00:09:52] sigkill_: on .19 i rolled my own and it ran fine for years, when i switched to .21 i was lazy and used mythbuntu for the backend
[00:10:09] marc-us: yep me lazy too
[00:10:16] sigkill_: all 3 frontends are debian
[00:10:58] Josh__: I'm not hunting for a new distro, but I'm not a dedicated distro fanboy anymore either.
[00:10:59] marc-us: I have only one front end that's a linux box... the others are popcorn hour and an xbox
[00:11:05] J-e-f-f-A: Josh__: Neat, and much more affordable too.  ;-) Of the 4 phones on the page I referenced, the top 2 are bluetooth, the bottom two are full GSM phones that you just put your SIM card into...
[00:11:30] Josh__: J-e-f-f-A, Still funny though, but I think the novelty would wear off quickly:)
[00:11:47] sigkill_: i run a debian workstation in my office, the 3rd head runs a mythfrontend, my bedroom atom box is debian, i found optimising much easier than ubuntus bloated default and i stuck with the theme i guess for the living room
[00:11:51] ** J-e-f-f-A has been using Fedora on all his Myth systems for years... ;-) (Thanks to Jarod's excellent guide in the day...) **
[00:11:54] Josh__: J-e-f-f-A, check out the wired handset on thinkgeek of the same design. There's something to be said about a corded handset like that.
[00:11:56] marc-us: I used to use media mvp's but dropped them because they could not play xvid
[00:12:29] Josh__: sigkill_, I like debian. Havent taken the plunge yet.
[00:12:45] marc-us: interesting that you use an atom processor
[00:12:47] Josh__: Mabye I'll switch to debian when I put trunk on the fileserber.
[00:12:57] marc-us: can the small box pull HD?
[00:13:10] sigkill_: marc-us, no, hence why i have to transcode my hd recordings
[00:13:12] sigkill_: :
[00:13:13] sigkill_: :P
[00:13:23] marc-us: Sorry, I'm slow...
[00:13:53] sigkill_: i choose to use onboard video, its in a case like a dvdplayer formfactor case, i dont want to add heat, but using vdpau capable cheap card im sure its feesible
[00:14:00] marc-us: I have a similar issue.. Fortunately the Popcorn hour plays the hd content fine... albiet on a analog tv
[00:14:34] marc-us: I transcode all the kid shows. to xvid
[00:14:43] marc-us: the xbox plays them just fine
[00:14:53] sigkill_: oh, my atom board only has pci, so i guess one would have to find a vdpau capable PCI card... im not sure they exist i havent looked
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[00:18:54] marc-us: Im still looking for a magical small thin client that can handle hd I tried apple tv but nuts trying to hack it to run gentoo
[00:19:21] Josh__: I'm looking for a new video card.
[00:19:43] Josh__: I *want* a GTX275, but I'm probably gonna have to settle with an 8XXX
[00:19:43] marc-us: Nvidia has served me very well
[00:20:14] Josh__: If a GTX275 is still in the future, I dont want to spend a lot of money on the card. So less than $50 is a plus.
[00:20:24] sigkill_: i think for thin/low power and HD you either need vdpau on something like zotac ion/equivalent, or look into a board and mobile cpu that can do it without offloading
[00:20:43] marc-us: my mini atx has ati but it sucks popped in an nvida
[00:21:16] marc-us: been tempted when I saw them on newegg
[00:21:47] marc-us: ion zotac
[00:22:10] marc-us: but seemed a chancy outcome
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[00:26:34] mchou: forget that
[00:27:18] mchou: nvidia ion and "low power" is an oxymoron
[00:27:34] Josh__: mmm.
[00:27:55] Josh__: oh well, time for some WoW to get my mind off video cards :)
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[00:29:07] mchou: you want low power get something like WDTV 2, popcorn hour, or a network media tank based on sigma designs or realtek
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[00:55:09] sphery: heh, Dell finally figured out that they screwed up their DB and moved some US records to their UK database...
[00:55:23] sphery: (customer contact/mailing list stuff)
[00:55:44] sphery: Only happened about 2 months ago, so not bad for quick turnaround
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[01:12:26] marc-us: nmt is nice but it'sno mythfrontend But I can watch any of my mythrecordings but no live tv
[01:13:26] marc-us: the ion combo does look like it can do the job
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[01:15:18] marc-us: nighty night
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[01:40:49] Loki: Good Evening. I am coming looking for suggestions of tuner cards that are known to work really well with the MythTV project. I current have an ADS Tech Instant HDTV Video Device PTV-382 PCI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815255025 and it does not work, so I am trying to find a replacement for it, that can do the same, if not more. I use Cable-TV at home, if that makes any differnce.
[01:41:39] jamesd_: Loki, i use kworld 115 and i'm quite hapy with it, and was pretty smooth to install and well documented
[01:41:54] sphery: Loki: for digital TV, generally any one that works in Linux works in Myth. Check linuxtv.org/wiki for details.
[01:42:17] sphery: there may be some exceptions with ultra-new stuff like DVB-S2 and all, but for "normal" digital, ...
[01:43:51] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: I use a SiliconDust HDHomeRun on my 'production' system. I am using a Hauppauge 1250 (PCIe 1x), Hauppauge HVR-950 USB and a PCTV HD-5500 in my Test box right now. ;-)
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[01:45:27] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: hows the 950 working out for you?
[01:45:53] mchou: also what mobo you sing for that box?
[01:46:05] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Well, so far so good, but I don't have that box on 24x7 to see if I get theissue you were seeing with your tuner...
[01:46:20] mchou: nah, my tuner is 1600
[01:46:43] mchou: I'm just wondering if your usb has spntaneous bus disconnects
[01:46:47] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: That box has an Asus M3N78-VM mb, with an Athlon 64 X2 4800 and 4GB ram...
[01:46:50] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . %20HDHomeRun ?
[01:46:56] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I haven't seen any.
[01:46:58] mchou: spontaneous*
[01:47:18] mchou: is tha a via chipset?
[01:47:19] Loki: sphery: ekk which the page you gave me i really dont know what too look for since i don't know the terms
[01:47:26] mchou: that*
[01:47:32] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Yep, that's it.  ;-)
[01:47:37] Loki: jamesd_: thanks, they dont seem to be in sale anymore though
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[01:47:58] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: nvidia MCP78S chipset
[01:47:59] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: how does it work with mythtv if it works over cat5
[01:48:08] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: wow
[01:48:37] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: It's a tuner that happens to be connected via Ethernet. ;-) Works well,
[01:48:41] mchou: nvidia chipsets are notorious for usb bus disconnects
[01:49:14] mchou: that's the only reason I'm reluctant to try usb tuners
[01:49:19] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: can more then one pc use it
[01:49:50] mchou: Loki: sure. but why would you want to do that
[01:50:15] mchou: Loki: tuner contention is not good
[01:50:39] Loki: mchou: oh not at the same time
[01:51:34] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Is this page from linuxtv.org more helpful to you? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/List_of_Device_Vendors
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[01:52:34] Loki: \ah yes J-e-f-f-A thanks
[01:53:04] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: And: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware
[01:53:05] firestorm: Howdy. My mythfrontend is separated and is at a newer version than my mythbackend. I get the 'this version of mythtv requires an updated database' error at startup. Any way to force it to work? I don't want to upgrade my backend if I can avoid it
[01:53:29] J-e-f-f-A: firestorm: guess what?
[01:53:33] mchou: firestorm: no
[01:53:46] mchou: firestorm: downgrade the frontend
[01:53:54] mchou: or upgrade the be
[01:53:59] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: that says my card is supported and it doesn't work
[01:54:00] J-e-f-f-A: ^^^ yep.
[01:54:00] mchou: end of story
[01:54:24] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: You probably need to put the firmware somewhere then.
[01:54:49] firestorm: OK I'll see how hard it is to downgrade specific packages in ubuntu
[01:54:53] Loki: it does say that xD
[01:55:19] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ADS_Tech_Instant_HDTV_PCI
[01:55:26] Loki: i am already here
[01:55:28] Loki: there
[01:55:32] Loki: that is were i seen it
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[01:56:15] mchou: Loki: dude, dont just tell us 'it doesnt work'
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[01:56:35] mchou: tell us what error messages you're getting
[01:56:49] Loki: mchou: i didn;t come in here asking about it
[01:56:56] Loki: i came in here asking about a new card
[01:57:04] Loki: last time i tried this card was a year ago
[01:57:16] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I pointed him to the linuxtv.org page – it's supported, but sounds like he just needs to install the firmware for it to work.
[01:58:05] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: yup, that's what I'm thinking
[01:58:25] mchou: or more likely, drivers werent mature a year ago when he first got it
[01:59:01] ** J-e-f-f-A had a 'duh' moment with his HD-3000 card recently when it didn't work... jarod set me straight with "did you install the firmware"? oops! ;-) **
[01:59:04] mchou: in any case, there's no real reason to doubt the info on that wiki
[01:59:59] Loki: there is no dvb folder though
[02:00:00] Loki: o.o
[02:01:15] Loki: in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28-15-generic/Documentation or clever
[02:01:26] Loki: err
[02:01:34] mchou: lol
[02:01:42] Loki: or in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.28–15/Documentation
[02:01:58] mchou: Loki is another handle for clever
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[02:02:24] Loki: no i am not another handle for clever xD that was an accident paste
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[02:08:57] sphery: mag0o: You may have picked the wrong weekend to work on themes... I think most of the themers are out and about.  :)
[02:09:09] Loki: nagnag: there is no dvb folder O.o
[02:09:34] mag0o: ah
[02:09:39] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: You need the "get_dvb_firmware" perl script
[02:09:44] mag0o: that'd be my luck  :)
[02:09:45] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: do a locate on it
[02:10:11] mag0o: i think i can wing it
[02:11:19] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: i did
[02:13:01] mag0o: Loki: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware
[02:13:32] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: is that asus mobo capable of vdpau withe on board video?
[02:13:43] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Yep. ;-)
[02:13:50] mchou: nice
[02:14:41] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: It's a good motherboard for my 'stupid' Antec Fusion Black 430 case that only accepts mATX boards... :-(
[02:14:56] mchou: heh
[02:15:38] Loki: mag0o: There is no dvb folder or that scipt on my system for some reason
[02:15:49] mchou: yeah, but you now nvidia mobos are crippleware :)
[02:15:49] AndrewNC_: I've got an asus m3n78-em, works fairly ok
[02:15:56] mchou: know*
[02:15:56] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Seems the perl tool is trying to d/l the driver from www.aver.com, but it's no longer available on their web site.
[02:16:04] AndrewNC_: not sure they are still available though
[02:16:19] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: the script is not on my system to begin with
[02:16:21] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: no pci prefetch....
[02:17:14] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Humm... I wonder if that's why I get 'scratchy' audio on my PVR-250 and PVR-500 recordings about 1/10th of the time...
[02:17:34] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: nah, that's a separate issue
[02:18:07] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: scratchy audio is ivtv quirk
[02:18:59] mchou: freaking adobe
[02:19:11] mchou: flsah is worse than a frigging virus
[02:19:17] mchou: flash*
[02:19:33] mchou: buckles core2duo 7300
[02:19:37] mchou: wtf
[02:20:11] ** mchou curses youtube for using flash **
[02:20:26] oobe: what happened to mythtube didnt it used to be in the plugins dir of trunk
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[02:22:34] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Yeah, that's what I read, and supposedly it was fixed LONG ago... And I've tried just about everything anyone's suggested for a fix (v4l control commands, etc...) I couldn't get any solution except a channel-change in Myth...
[02:23:10] J-e-f-f-A: oobe: I don't think it was ever an official plugin – I've never seen it on a 'standard' install from source.
[02:23:17] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: I dont know the current status, I'm dubious they ever found root cause
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[02:23:28] oobe: oh ok
[02:23:51] oobe: thanks
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[02:28:31] oobe: found it apparently its discontinued dev until .22 is released
[02:28:34] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I've been talking with sphery about it – I was going to try the commands in a recent ticket to see if it helps at all.
[02:29:12] mchou: anyway, why yous still using pvr-x50 anyways
[02:29:34] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: go all digital man
[02:30:11] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I've still got Standard-Def dish receivers feeding S-Video in... ;-) (3 receivers -> PVR-150 and PVR-500). I've got a HDHR for ATSC OTA, but 3/4 of what I record is on Satellite.
[02:30:26] mchou: bah
[02:30:31] mchou: that's too bad
[02:31:04] mchou: what's wrong with cable where you are?
[02:31:19] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: But... I've been toying with the idea of switching to FiOS TV – HD – in my area there are many channels that are in-the-clear on the firewire output according to jarod... ;-)
[02:31:39] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: yeah, that's not a bad idea
[02:31:56] mchou: but fios TV is lame
[02:31:57] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Cumcast sucks.  ;-) I *hate* them with a passion... I was a trapped customer for 8 years with their worst-ever customer support here...
[02:32:10] mchou: no more tha 3 concuurent programs
[02:32:23] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: What?
[02:32:28] mchou: no joke
[02:32:37] mchou: read the fine print
[02:32:54] mchou: cant get more than 3 simul. programs
[02:32:56] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I find that REALLY hard to believe...
[02:33:06] mchou: dude, do your homework
[02:33:22] mchou: 3 HD programs
[02:33:32] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: If I can get 30/15 Internet into my house, I doubt that is a limit...
[02:33:39] mchou: lol
[02:33:49] ** J-e-f-f-A suspects mchou works for comcast... **
[02:34:01] mchou: no, I dont work for comcast
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[02:34:14] mchou: and comcast is overcompressed
[02:34:36] mchou: but all QAM aint too bad
[02:35:13] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: re: comcast compression – yes, it's worse than SD when things are moving... horrible...
[02:35:13] mchou: fios stb is pretty cool though
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[02:36:31] mchou: wish cable co would get the motorola stbs that fios uses
[02:38:09] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: That limit you're referring to is apparently on the HD DVR box – limit of 3 actions at once – 2x record, 1 watch, one record, 3 watch, etc.
[02:38:34] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: That would have absolutely no impact on me as I'd have 3x HD STB's feeding firewire into my Myth backend.
[02:39:14] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Just like my current Dish receivers, the remotes would be 'hidden' and the batteries removed. Only MythTV would be controlling them. ;-)
[02:39:18] mag0o: Loki: I had to search around the internet for the script that would grab the firmware for my pinnacle 800e
[02:41:01] J-e-f-f-A: mag0o: He's set now, he found the firmware, and I pointed him to a copy of the firmware extraction script. ;-) He's working on installing/setting up mythtv now.
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[02:47:13] mag0o: ah, i only skimmed :)
[02:47:17] mag0o: didn't read everything
[02:47:51] J-e-f-f-A: mag0o: nah, we've been PMing... ;-)
[02:48:54] MarcT: Something very strange happend this evening when I was recording 2 shows, Monk and Eureka. My schedule says both shows were supposed to air from 9pm est to 10pm. However, both shows only recorded from 9pm to 9:45pm/
[02:50:30] J-e-f-f-A: MarcT: Did your backend crash at 9:45pm?
[02:50:50] MarcT: checking logs right now
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[02:52:32] MarcT: yes damn it..
[02:53:03] MarcT: or it looks like it did
[02:54:29] J-e-f-f-A: MarcT: At least you can catch the last 15 mins on Hulu tomorrow...
[02:55:10] J-e-f-f-A: MarcT: I've got Monk recorded... (watching it now, thanks for the reminder!)
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[02:56:46] MarcT: Would this in the logs always indicatethat the backend restarted? "mythbackend version: trunk [exported] www.mythtv.org"
[02:57:46] clever: MarcT: it usualy only outputs that on startup
[02:57:49] J-e-f-f-A: MarcT: Looks that way.
[02:58:06] J-e-f-f-A: MarcT: But when did it restart? Did it start a 2nd recording for the remainder of the programs?
[02:58:31] wagnerrp: MarcT: only if you didnt compile properly
[02:58:40] MarcT: if thats the case, the backend crashed and restarted itself 6 times within 1 second
[02:58:50] MarcT: er 1 min
[02:58:51] J-e-f-f-A: eek!
[02:59:28] MarcT: so I dont think that is the case
[02:59:53] wagnerrp: distros are supposed to run off subversion, or otherwise manually tell mythtv what revision it is
[03:00:08] wagnerrp: '[exported]' is displayed when neither of these takes place
[03:00:37] wagnerrp: the official ebuild has a facility to perform this, but it is currently not working
[03:00:40] MarcT: I'll need to fix the ebuild then
[03:01:03] MarcT: I know I copied it into mine.
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[03:01:39] wagnerrp: if you want to fix it, you might want to ask the ubuntu maintainers, i know they use it for their builds
[03:01:59] MarcT: ok
[03:02:28] MarcT: but still does that indicate mythbackend restarting?
[03:03:24] MarcT: because it happened 3 times at 8 mins into the recording, but nothing bad happened.. and then twice again at 45 mins.
[03:03:45] MarcT: and at 45 mins it stopped recording.
[03:04:28] MarcT: never mind.. found the issue.
[03:04:38] Loki: Okay, so now MythTV sees my card, but doesn't see it as a tv crad
[03:05:00] wagnerrp: im going to say no
[03:05:11] MarcT: This is what happened at 45 mins after 9. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571466
[03:05:16] wagnerrp: otherwise, my backend would have restarted 4 minutes ago
[03:05:22] MarcT: got device errors.
[03:05:48] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: you have to set it up as a DVB device, not v4l
[03:06:02] wagnerrp: i think thats whenever it starts up a new socket handler for a new client
[03:07:46] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: card type? It shows up as analog V4L Capture Card
[03:13:41] Gumby: is there a reason (or an option) somewhere that would cause one ivtv tuner (pvr-250) to display differently than another (pvr-150)? One displays full screen and the other is sort of letterboxed
[03:14:03] Gumby: 150 is fullscreen, 250 is letterboxed
[03:14:40] sphery: you can set it to widescreen
[03:15:34] Gumby: hrm weird. I ran mythtv-setup to check if there were any tuner options I missed and now both tuners are displaying the same
[03:15:35] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: delete all cards, then add it back in as a DVB card. It's a digital tuner.
[03:22:10] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: no go
[03:22:39] Loki: desnt detect a signal
[03:22:48] Loki: nor does it load the card when i go to watch tv
[03:25:08] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: You set it up as /dev/dvb/adapter0 ?
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[03:28:56] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: it doesn't give me a option to put a path in
[03:32:54] Loki: when i go to make a new card my card shows up as a analog v4l capture card on /dev/video0 and when i go to change to a dtv card it just gives me a option for slot 0
[03:33:21] mag0o: change the option at top (using right/left keys) to select dvb card
[03:33:27] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: back up, Delete all capture cards, then add a new card. Pick the /dev/dvb/adapter0 device
[03:33:28] mag0o: usb/dvb i think is the option
[03:33:43] mag0o: ah, there's J-e-f-f-A
[03:34:22] Loki: There is only DVB DTV Capture Card
[03:34:23] ** J-e-f-f-A was watching Monk... ;-) **
[03:34:31] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Yes.
[03:34:32] Loki: USB MPEG-4 Encorder box
[03:34:44] Loki: and Anaglog V4L Captire Card
[03:34:47] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: It is a DVB card.
[03:35:01] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: in DVB All I have is DVB Device Number, and 0
[03:35:22] Loki: It was Frontend ID Air2PC v2 SubType ATSC
[03:35:33] J-e-f-f-A: Ok, so setup that then. That should be your digital tuner. ^^^ YES!!!
[03:35:47] Loki: i did that once\didn;t worki
[03:36:05] J-e-f-f-A: ... Probably before you had the firmware in place?
[03:36:10] Loki: after
[03:36:21] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Did you confirm the firmware is getting loaded properly?
[03:36:31] Loki: how do i do that
[03:37:12] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: dmesg |grep -i firmware -might- tell you (checking one of my boxes now)
[03:37:46] Gumby: is there a way in mythtv to listen to AM radio? I know my pvr-150 has a radio coax in.. but I think its only FM
[03:38:10] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Yeah, you should see a "Waiting for firmware upload" and "Firmware upload complete" (or similar) I think...
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[03:38:59] android60: in trunk, how can I figure out what the source id for a certain source?
[03:39:16] Loki: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571491 J-e-f-f-A
[03:39:24] J-e-f-f-A: Gumby: I don't know of any AM radio tuners for computers at all... And given that the FM tuners aren't even supported, I doubt anyone even thought of AM! ;-)
[03:40:13] Gumby: J-e-f-f-A: hehe. I didnt think so, but I figured if there was a way, someone would have heard about it. Looks like there is a hack for FM radio at least
[03:40:18] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Ok, that's your problem. Your firmware isn't in the right place. You've got to put the dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw file in your /lib/firmware directory
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[03:41:31] J-e-f-f-A: Gumby: Well, you could make it work – 1) Tune your receiver to your favorite AM station – 2) Plug the line outputs from your receiver into a tuner on MythTV 3) Setup a mock lineup on that tuner... (although you may have to provide a 'dummy' video signal... ;-) )
[03:41:58] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: thing is I did
[03:42:00] Gumby: J-e-f-f-A: I dont have an AM tuner. lol.
[03:42:42] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Well, it's not where the driver is expecting it to be! ;-) try another grep – dmesg |grep nxt2004.fw
[03:43:01] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Maybe it will show the path it's looking for it in...
[03:44:03] Loki: i rebooted
[03:44:04] Loki: loaded it
[03:44:18] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: It loaded it this time?
[03:44:25] Loki: [ 16.770499] nxt2004: Waiting for firmware upload(2)...
[03:44:25] Loki: [ 18.313020] nxt2004: Firmware upload complete
[03:44:38] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Yeah! Ok, now it should work in Myth. ;-)
[03:50:08] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: Nope xD
[03:53:42] J-e-f-f-A: So, you added it as a DVB tuner, setup a source, and hooked up an antenna and got nothing?
[03:53:50] Loki: nada
[03:54:00] Loki: tried both of the ports on the back of the card too
[03:54:08] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Are you using an antenna (Over-the-air), or Cable TV?
[03:54:14] Loki: cabletv
[03:54:27] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: And you scanned for QAM channels?
[03:54:34] Loki: yes
[03:54:58] Loki: no sing
[03:55:02] Loki: no sig
[03:55:19] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Do you subscribe to HD cable service?
[03:55:24] Loki: no
[03:56:11] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Ok, they may have the digital channels filtered out then... If you're not getting anything at all. Do you have a TV with a digital tuner to test with?
[03:56:31] Loki: No but this tuner has worked in windows before o.o
[03:57:06] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Try increasing the timeout value – like 2x what it is now...
[03:57:47] sphery: or, when trying to see if the chard is working, just increase it to the max
[03:57:51] sphery: card
[03:58:18] sphery: then, if it works, you can decrease it to see how high you need to set it
[03:58:36] J-e-f-f-A: There's sphery! ;-)
[03:58:43] Loki: still no
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[04:01:15] sphery: J-e-f-f-A: sphery has been deep in code and testing today... been fun
[04:01:37] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: btw this is a dual headed tuner
[04:01:42] Loki: both analog and digital
[04:03:08] Loki: It just went through all tyhe channels
[04:03:12] Loki: no signal
[04:03:13] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Yeah, but all we're trying is the Digital side... I'm out of ideas I'm afraid...
[04:03:34] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: You let it run all the way through the scan, right? (ie: you didn't stop it)
[04:03:44] Loki: J-e-f-f-A: yes
[04:05:19] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Well, I'm out of ideas... All I can suggest is hoping to find someone with the same tuner that can confirm theirs works fine, and Googling your brains out...
[04:06:07] Loki: even trying it as anaglog doesn't work
[04:06:08] Loki: :|
[04:06:56] J-e-f-f-A: Loki: Analog may not be supported in Linux – you'd have to check on linuxtv.org to confirm that. And your cableco may not be sending analog channels anymore...
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[04:08:16] MarcT: wagnerrp where would I find the ubuntu maintainers? =p
[04:09:04] wagnerrp: try #ubuntu-mythtv maybe? dont really have any idea
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[04:09:58] sphery: kormoc: on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7057 , do you want it closed as invalid or do you want me to put some "warning"/description into the UI? (Similar to what Bruce proposed--but didn't apply--at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/158185#158185 )
[04:11:08] kormoc: Both? :)
[04:11:20] sphery: heh, now you sound like evil sphery
[04:11:33] sphery: I'll put in a description and close it that way
[04:11:54] sphery: kormoc: so, do I need to do that in multiple templates/skins?
[04:12:04] MarcT: kormoc your ebuild uses the same routine for attempting to put the svn version into version.cpp as the official ebuilds. does it work for you?
[04:12:04] kormoc: Yeah
[04:12:46] kormoc: MarcT: nope
[04:12:55] sphery: kormoc: all but iPod-default and wap?
[04:13:05] sphery: or do you want to try to squeeze it in there, too
[04:13:20] MarcT: K. I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with that code.
[04:13:52] kormoc: sphery: ignore both of those for pretty much all documentation for now, it's too space squeezed
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[04:14:21] sphery: kormoc: cool... if I feel the changes require artistic review, I'll just upload a patch. Otherwise, I'll apply/close it.
[04:14:27] sphery: thanks
[04:14:33] kormoc: God speed!
[04:14:53] ** sphery feels like an astronaut **
[04:16:11] wagnerrp: ground control to major dean...
[04:16:32] Gumby: sweet. I found a quick hack for adding FM radio and it worked like a charm
[04:17:10] Gumby: dunno whats gonna happen when a recording starts and wants to use the card though
[04:17:45] sphery: wagnerrp: I think I'm one of the only people in the world who likes that song.
[04:17:50] sphery: everyone seems to complain about it...
[04:17:51] wagnerrp: hopefully, the 'plugin' has locked the card in mythtv
[04:18:26] sphery: wagnerrp: btw, do you have good support for the proto locking commands in the python bindings?
[04:19:07] wagnerrp: i believe theyre in there... i think they were in there before i started tinkering with it
[04:19:10] sphery: a user was asking about getting FM radio and I told him to lock and said there's a chance that the python bindings have the functionality to make that easy
[04:19:13] sphery: cool
[04:19:35] wagnerrp: cant you just have the UI lock the tuner when you call the external program?
[04:19:45] sphery: yeah, if you're doing it via the UI
[04:20:14] sphery: he wanted it to be a script he could access via command-line/remote with ir_exec
[04:20:45] sphery: (I also mentioned the hackish EXECTV w/ a script that uses telnet control to invoke it, but recommended the prettier bindings-based approach)
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[04:21:11] wagnerrp: nope, doesnt seem to be in there
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[04:21:27] wagnerrp: i can add it to 6885 pretty quickly though, im sure its just a couple of lines
[04:22:47] wagnerrp: ill have to see what kind of output it produces
[04:23:10] wagnerrp: i may need to check the free tuners list to make sure it is available before hand
[04:24:03] wagnerrp: ill probably need to check to see if a connected virtual tuner is in use
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[04:28:18] sphery: wagnerrp: Note that there are 2 approaches for LOCK_TUNER. I kind of described them at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-09-08 around 18:59 – 19:07 (including stuff I don't know about how the protocol portions should be used)
[04:28:34] sphery: just in case that's helpful
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[04:35:38] wagnerrp: sphery: for future reference, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings gives a full list of available functions
[04:36:03] wagnerrp: although each only has a rather terse explination, i should probably split that into multiple pages, and explain them a bit more
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[04:40:10] sphery: wagnerrp: nice... It's no longer a black box to me.  :) Thanks.
[04:40:29] sphery: you and iamlindoro are good at documenting stuff
[04:40:33] wagnerrp: this may take a bit of work
[04:40:48] wagnerrp: well not a LOT of work, but more than a few lines
[04:41:07] wagnerrp: seems 'LOCK_TUNER' only runs on the backend that owns the tuner
[04:41:27] wagnerrp: the python bindings are currently only set up to connect to the MBE
[04:41:47] wagnerrp: ive never actually had a need to connect to an SBE until now
[04:42:22] sphery: ahhh
[04:42:26] wagnerrp: either that, or its just failing for me for unknown reasons
[04:42:38] wagnerrp: i just get a '-1[]:[][]:[][]:[]
[04:43:26] sphery: make sure you do address resolution properly (using only the values in the DB--i.e. host-specific setting for BackendServerIP
[04:44:07] MarcT: kormoc I fixed it. but its a dirty hack.
[04:44:10] sphery: that won't fix what you mentioned, but is something that's easy to forget when connecting to slaves (especially on a network with proper hostname resolution)
[04:44:48] wagnerrp: well it should be fairly simple to just add an optional input to the class to specify the backend
[04:45:00] wagnerrp: do a regex to determine if it is an IP, or something else
[04:45:07] sphery: actually, it's looking like it should go only to the MBE
[04:45:26] wagnerrp: really.... wonder why its not working then
[04:45:28] MarcT: its not a true fix., what I did was forced the base .svn folder to be copied into the working directory.
[04:46:13] sphery: wagnerrp: you're using spaces for args?
[04:46:20] MarcT: But now when I do mythbackend --version I get MythTV Version  : 21882M in the display.
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[04:46:56] wagnerrp: nope, doing exactly the line in the commit 'LOCK_TUNER <number>'
[04:47:10] sphery: yeah, that's with space :)
[04:47:10] wagnerrp: although specifying no tuner has the same results
[04:47:19] wagnerrp: err... yeah, whatever
[04:51:40] wagnerrp: well trying to communicate with the SBE yielded... nothing
[04:51:46] wagnerrp: no response, the socket recv timed out
[04:52:56] wagnerrp: oh, forgot to announce it properly
[04:55:45] MarcT: wagnerrp this better? mythbackend version: trunk [21882M] www.mythtv.org
[04:55:59] wagnerrp: yeah, thats what it should be giving
[04:56:06] MarcT: its a dirty hack
[04:56:09] MarcT: but it works
[04:57:03] MarcT: I forced the svn folder to be copied into the working folder before the build starts
[04:57:16] MarcT: normally it is left behind
[04:57:17] wagnerrp: sphery: yeah, locking on the SBE (that owns the tuners) doesnt seem to work either
[04:59:30] wagnerrp: well i guess i should add connecting to a SBE in anyway, in the event it is wanted/needed
[05:00:39] sphery: wagnerrp: if you do preview retrieval, it's needed :)
[05:01:26] wagnerrp: is that in combination with a file transfer socket? or done all within the command socket?
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[05:10:28] HapHaz: Hello
[05:10:33] HapHaz: anyone around
[05:10:44] kormoc: Nope, all 206 of us are afk
[05:10:46] HapHaz: looking for a little help
[05:10:47] sphery: wagnerrp: probably the file transfer socket, but I've never dug that deep
[05:12:07] HapHaz: got mythweb working with 3mp's but wont play 128kbps mp3s only like 320kbps play fine
[05:12:39] HapHaz: its a mythubuntu distro setup
[05:12:41] kormoc: wagnerrp: Mythweb uses a httpRequest to get the pixmap
[05:12:58] kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ram.php#L577
[05:12:59] sphery: wagnerrp: er, wait a minute... the actual pixmap is transferred using MythXML, so I'm all crazy
[05:13:37] sphery: I don't even know if you can retrieve the preview using the proto
[05:13:46] kormoc: You can't afaik
[05:13:49] wagnerrp: so is that done on port 6544?
[05:14:06] sphery: yeah, same as backend status page
[05:15:07] sphery: HapHaz: mythweb just streams the music (or maybe it just provides the location of the file? not sure) it does not play the music
[05:15:30] HapHaz: 2) Edit /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/stream/handler.pl and find around line 166, and change this:
[05:15:30] HapHaz: .' -r 24 -f flv -ac 2 -ar 11025'
[05:15:30] HapHaz: to this:
[05:15:30] HapHaz: .' -r 24 -f flv -ac 2 -ar 11025 -acodec mp3'
[05:15:44] HapHaz: changed that line to get mp3s to play at all
[05:15:56] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[05:16:10] kormoc: why would the music stuff go via that handler?
[05:16:30] HapHaz: now outputting to MP3 at all I guess
[05:16:45] kormoc: well...
[05:16:45] sphery: is this a hack to make the flash player play them?
[05:16:59] kormoc: the reason why it's failing is cause mythbuntu doesn't ship ffmpeg with mp3 support
[05:17:06] HapHaz: Its Ubuntu based so had to add mp3 playback as that was a resticed right
[05:17:32] kormoc: I can't parse that line
[05:18:04] kormoc: MythMusic uses modules/music/stream.php not modules/stream/handler.pl
[05:18:20] kormoc: so I'm not sure why you said mythmusic and then editing the flv streamer
[05:19:15] HapHaz: I know i was getting error on my windows box that it could not decode before I changed that then I played a buckcherry song or two NP
[05:19:35] HapHaz: then tried some LZ and get the same error as before
[05:19:39] ** kormoc blinks **
[05:19:42] HapHaz: could not render
[05:19:57] kormoc: Music isn't streamed via that file, so it's only luck that the buckcherry song worked I'd guess
[05:20:02] sphery: HapHaz: are you talking about music MP3's or about videos?
[05:20:07] HapHaz: olny diff I saw in the two files was the bit rate they where recorded in
[05:20:15] HapHaz: MP3s
[05:20:18] sphery: i.e. is this data that's maintained in MythMusic or MythVideo?
[05:20:32] sphery: so MythMusic...
[05:20:37] HapHaz: Yes
[05:21:13] HapHaz: sorry litte buzz atm so sorry if its a little off on the wording
[05:21:41] sphery: and you're trying to hack the proof-of-concept, not-designed-to-be-robust, ffmpeg transcoding of TV recordings to Flash such that it somehow transcodes MP3's to Flash?
[05:22:07] kormoc: sphery: actually mythweb's mythmusic has shipped for a few years with a flash streaming player
[05:22:23] wagnerrp: -ar 11025?
[05:22:24] kormoc: but the case in point, he edited the wrong streaming code
[05:22:30] wagnerrp: is that 11khz?
[05:22:37] kormoc: yes it is
[05:22:43] wagnerrp: thats absolutely horrible
[05:22:59] kormoc: for flash video streaming, it's not that bad
[05:23:11] HapHaz: Right that works great ATM
[05:23:14] kormoc: although we were hoping to make it user set
[05:24:03] kormoc: HapHaz: so the flash music player works fine? What other streaming are you asking about?
[05:24:16] HapHaz: Audio and Video on the video stream is great works like a charm
[05:24:47] HapHaz: Well it works but with that hack it only plays certain songs atm
[05:25:26] HapHaz: High kbps ones and not 128 that most of my collection is in thats what was troughing me off
[05:25:28] kormoc: HapHaz: that hack did absolutely nothing to the music flash player, it uses a entirely different streaming file
[05:25:51] wagnerrp: mythmusic has a flash player now?
[05:25:52] HapHaz: Ok let me change it back again
[05:26:03] kormoc: wagnerrp: it has for a long time
[05:26:16] wagnerrp: guess i havent used it in a long time
[05:26:29] wagnerrp: last time i used it, it would just download a playlist file
[05:26:48] HapHaz: right and thats was failing before
[05:27:18] wagnerrp: yeah, i dont see any flash, just the playlist download
[05:27:25] kormoc: hrm
[05:28:06] HapHaz: on the left side do a search and there is a single song play option next to the song
[05:28:36] HapHaz: or on this distro at least + to add to pl or play button
[05:29:01] sphery: kormoc: ah, didn't realize that...
[05:29:06] wagnerrp: yeah, the play button for me just downloads a playlist with a single song
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[05:30:35] NineTeen67Comet: Haya, I selected a very broken theme and need to know where in cli to go change the theme. I'm assuming there is a config file that I can change the path to the theme (one that works) .. anyone up on this? thank you.
[05:30:55] HapHaz: It must be something with the directory strucker or something
[05:31:00] wagnerrp: there is no config file to change the path to the theme
[05:31:07] wagnerrp: all settings are stored in the database
[05:31:19] wagnerrp: however the current theme can be overridden on the command line
[05:31:26] wagnerrp: or in mythweb
[05:32:07] NineTeen67Comet: I don't think I installed mythweb, but I'm pretty handy (dangerous) in command line .. Going back to default would do until I can toss this broken one ..
[05:32:09] wagnerrp: '-O Theme=<somethingelse>'
[05:32:10] HapHaz: as I am seeing the errors in Media Player Classic showing
[05:33:30] J-e-f-f-A: NineTeen67Comet: You could also go back in to the setup and select a different theme... it's not *that* broken that you can't even run the frontend, is it?
[05:34:33] NineTeen67Comet: Yeah, the frontend is just the background image. No menus... I did mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt and it is rerunning the setup .. looks like that'll work well enough to get back into the menu ..
[05:35:18] ** sphery guesses it's not the theme that's broken, but your video drivers **
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[05:35:40] NineTeen67Comet: Nope, just this theme .. all the others work great ..
[05:36:02] NineTeen67Comet: Been running this Myth install for about a year off and on (we moved so it was down for a few months)
[05:36:11] ** J-e-f-f-A agrees with sphery **
[05:36:50] J-e-f-f-A: NineTeen67Comet: You sure you just didn't try to switch to the GL painter, and your video driver doesn't support it?
[05:37:12] NineTeen67Comet: wouldn't if my vid drivers were bad, the X would be bad too? I can after all use VLC, MPLAYER etc to watch movies, Amarok for music etc etc .. play World of Goo .. X-Moto etc .. just that one theme doesn't have menus ..
[05:37:36] NineTeen67Comet: Just the mythtv menus, not xfce's menus ..
[05:37:54] sphery: ATI video card?
[05:38:08] NineTeen67Comet: they are all back now .. note to self .. the syth-lacquer wide theme isn't happy on my box .. (Nvidia FX5500)
[05:38:20] J-e-f-f-A: NineTeen67Comet: Is this one of the 'core' mythtv themes, or something you downloaded somewhere? ^^^ ah, that answers it.
[05:38:40] NineTeen67Comet: Downloaded it .. that's why I "know" it was the theme .. lol
[05:38:40] ** J-e-f-f-A has never heard of "syth-lacquer wide" **
[05:39:11] sphery: how it could possibly work with -O ThemePainter=qt and not without and be a theme problem I couldn't even begin to guess...
[05:39:17] NineTeen67Comet: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Themes Down a ways ..
[05:39:22] sphery: as the only thing that's changing is how we're using your video card
[05:39:50] sphery: which is why I'm guessing your drivers are broken (=not properly installed/borked install)
[05:40:08] NineTeen67Comet: Dunno .. I tried it again and it's working okay now .. just slow'ish ..
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[05:42:02] NineTeen67Comet: thank you for the command idea .. seemed to have worked .. the syth theme is working fine now .. must have been something running in the background (I've been ripping my dvd's all morning)
[05:42:06] NineTeen67Comet: take care guys, thanks again ..
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[05:42:14] sphery: slowish meaning slow to display the text the first time and slow transitions between themes?
[05:42:26] sphery: that would mean your OpenGL is broken and you need to fix drivers...
[05:42:30] sphery: but whatever
[05:44:24] kormoc: Huh
[05:44:31] kormoc: it's a popular theme, over 1000 downloads
[05:44:57] kormoc: it's Jam's theme!
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[05:51:14] weevilofdoom: is there a way to change the audio channel on a specific episode using mplayer without adding the -aid parameter to the command line that is executed?
[05:51:27] kormoc: try #mplayer?
[05:51:45] weevilofdoom: well, i meant a setting per episode on the mythfrontend
[05:51:55] wagnerrp: ^^^
[05:52:47] wagnerrp: you can define a custom playback command for a specific entry in mythvideo
[05:53:02] wagnerrp: but as to what that command would need to be, you need to ask mplayer people
[05:54:40] weevilofdoom: i know the command, i was just wondering about executing it only for the specific episodes in mythfrontend
[05:55:13] weevilofdoom: but that sounds good, thanks
[05:55:14] wagnerrp: can anyone confirm that they can run 'LOCK_TUNER' on their backend?
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[05:55:30] wagnerrp: im wondering if this is a problem with the code, or if my system is just borked
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[06:02:27] oobe: i will but you have to tell me how ? i dont know where LOCK_TUNER is
[06:02:41] wagnerrp: oobe: you running trunk?
[06:02:56] oobe: yea
[06:03:05] wagnerrp: mind if i PM you?
[06:03:14] oobe: yea its ok
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[06:10:18] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Hey, got my pvr-xxx audio to work by switching the audio input to 0, then back to 1 – but the 'v4l2-ctl' installed by default didn't work- I had to d/l the one from the linuxtv.org site and compile it...
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[06:38:01] [R]: if i have 2 channels on 2 diff tuners that are the same, but ones hd and ones not
[06:38:10] [R]: what is it thats supposed to be the same in the config of the channel
[06:38:13] [R]: is it the callsign?
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[06:39:20] HapHaz: My bad sorry guys it was a DB issue I had ordinized alot from the windows box and that had broken the DB updated the DB and all works now
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[06:40:41] HapHaz: Is there a way to auto cron or something the DB daily or something for myth music
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[07:12:01] wagnerrp: auto cron or something the db?
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[07:13:29] clever: wagnerrp: i think he wants mythmusic to scan automaticaly from cron
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[08:35:53] [R]: should mythfrontend be using 14% cpu while idle?
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[08:39:59] fnbrier: I installed Mythdora, backend master, in a KVM VM with the intention of using the PS3 as the frontend. That works, but now I realize that the frontend is needed to configure MythMusic. yum says mythtv-frontend.x86_64 is installed. When I try to start it up, it segfaults...
[08:40:57] laga: fnbrier: mythmusic needs to be configured on the frontend
[08:40:57] laga: ie the ps3
[08:42:22] fnbrier: Where would I set up the music directories for MythTV so that the PS3 can find them?
[08:42:42] laga: ah, you want to use upnp?
[08:42:51] fnbrier: In surfing, everyone was saying I need the MythTV frontend.
[08:42:54] fnbrier: Yah.
[08:43:07] fnbrier: upnp.
[08:44:27] laga: yeah, then you need to real thing. hum. well, if you're running 0.21.. people are not really interested in segfaults in 0.21
[08:44:31] fnbrier: So I tried executing the mythfrontend.sh and it segfaults.
[08:44:44] laga: try executing mythfrontend directly?
[08:45:07] fnbrier: When I did the Mythdora install I selected backend master, not both backend and frontend.
[08:45:35] fnbrier: Now I do not know how to configure the frontend, after the fact.
[08:46:11] fnbrier: I am assuming the segfault is because the frontend, while yum says it is installed, is not properly configured.
[08:46:33] [R]: there is no "configuration" that would cause it to segfault
[08:46:46] fnbrier: Good to know.
[08:46:56] fnbrier: That is one thing to not worry about.
[08:47:06] laga: does it say anything the log?
[08:47:17] laga: err, in the log
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[08:49:06] fnbrier: There is a /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log file.
[08:49:22] fnbrier: It does not appear to have any errors in it.
[08:50:17] laga: you will need to look at the frontend log. because the problem is with the frontend
[08:50:47] fnbrier: No frontend log in /var/log/mythtv...
[08:50:53] fnbrier: Would it be anywhere else?
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[08:53:02] laga: if you start mythfrontend, it should log to the terminal. however, since you're starting an .sh, they might redirect that. so start the real thing instead
[08:54:45] fnbrier: So /usr/share/mythdora/mythfrontend.sh is not what I need to run to stat the frontend?
[08:57:36] fnbrier: I was reading the mythfrontend.sh script and it refers to a configuration file that does not exist /etc/sysconfig/mythfrontend
[08:58:28] fnbrier: It actually checks for the file's existence and does not execute the script if it does not. So not having the configuration file is possible.
[08:59:24] laga: just start the executable that is used in mythfrontend.sh
[08:59:32] laga: we don't support wrapper scripts in here
[08:59:45] laga: because we have no clue what these might be doing :)
[09:02:17] jduggan: hmmmm, i used mythtranscode for the first time this morning, 6.4gb h264 BBC HD recording using the default medium quality in mythbuntu went to 5.2gb
[09:02:23] jduggan: is that about expected size?
[09:02:44] laga: jduggan: i didn't know mythtranscode could do h264 ;)
[09:03:07] jduggan: heh, either im wrong or youre work
[09:03:10] jduggan: and i suspect its me
[09:03:17] jduggan: but it transcoded fine
[09:03:20] jduggan: and i have the .nuv
[09:03:35] jduggan: 5.2G 8940_20090915205900.nuv
[09:03:52] laga: ah, so you transcoded to mpeg4 or rtjpeg
[09:03:54] jduggan: it converted to mpeg4
[09:03:57] jduggan: yes, sorry
[09:04:08] clever: anything thats done with mythtv's software encoding is .nuv, either mpeg4 or rtjpeg
[09:04:18] clever: my pvr150 card gives me mpeg2 in .mpg
[09:04:27] jduggan: u dint think i was clear, the original recording was h264
[09:04:31] jduggan: s/u/i/
[09:04:49] clever: jduggan: check the transcoding profiles, somewehre in the frontend setup
[09:04:55] jduggan: Duration: 08:46:10.90, start: 27645.060000, bitrate: 1411 kb/s
[09:04:56] clever: you can change the codec/bitrate for each
[09:05:12] jduggan: bitrate is low huh?
[09:05:19] fnbrier: Just running /usr/bin/mythfrontend seg faults as well.
[09:05:21] jduggan: Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 1440x1088, PAR 544:405 DAR 16:9, 25 tbr
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[09:06:19] fnbrier: If you have multiple monitors, will that confuse the MythTV frontend?
[09:07:07] jduggan: fnbrier: frontend seutp you can choose which monitor to start on
[09:07:16] fnbrier: It seems to recognize the X screens and picks screen 0, but then it immediately seg faults.
[09:07:26] jduggan: checked your logs?
[09:08:48] fnbrier: The /var/log/mythtv directory only contains the backend log. No frontend log file...
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[09:12:45] fnbrier: I found some doc on log files (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Log_File_Rotation), but it basically says I should be seeing the mythfrontend.log file in /var/log/mythtv.
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[09:17:04] laga: depends on your distro, really
[09:17:13] laga: if it logs to the terminal, you won't need a log file
[09:18:14] laga: but really, if all you need is to set up mythfrontend, then install the frontend on another computer, set the LocalHostName to the host name of your backend box and enter the correct paths (as they're seen on the backend box)
[09:18:20] laga: that's a bit of a hack, though
[09:18:23] laga: no warranties ;)
[09:18:29] laga: err, guarantees. whatever
[09:19:34] fnbrier: So I can setup the frontend without the backend on a different box?
[09:20:16] laga: yes, it's not exactly supported but it should work
[09:20:37] fnbrier: I just ran the mythfrontend -v all
[09:20:50] fnbrier: Yes, I read that it was not supported... <sigh>
[09:23:52] fnbrier: The verbose output does not have any errors. It gets all the way through a bunch of mysql queries, Enabling Settings Cache. Clearing Settings Then seg faults.
[09:24:41] fnbrier: Okay. I will try to install the frontend on my workstation later.
[09:25:02] fnbrier: Thank you laga for the help. Jduggan too!
[09:25:14] [R]: when i put a dvd in and i have it set to auto detect my screen goes blank like its trying to load a new menu but it doesn't... i'm on trtunk... has nayone seen this?
[09:25:23] fnbrier: I am sure I will be back later.
[09:29:21] laga: [R]: what do the logs say?
[09:29:47] [R]: nothing good
[09:30:04] [R]: i'll paste
[09:30:47] [R]: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571650
[09:36:14] laga: hum
[09:36:28] laga: try increasing the log level ;)
[09:36:42] cerasus: I am stuck with mysql automake
[09:37:04] laga: i'm sorry to hear that
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[09:38:46] _ben: so i read on the wiki that enabling DMA will help prevent stuttering with dvd playback
[09:38:54] _ben: but i seem to get: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[09:39:14] _ben: it's just a sata dvd drive
[09:39:30] laga: i'd guess that most modern devices use the new libata stack which always does DMA AFAIK
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[11:22:38] MarcT: got something weird here... looking at mythweb's upcomming recordings to check for conflicts and delete new shows I dont want to record and I found a recording set to record twice.
[11:22:57] MarcT: Same show, same channel, same exact time.
[11:23:01] sid3windr: mzb: had another commflag-after-recording work while I was watching yesterday ;)
[11:23:13] sid3windr: though I did note some false positives :[
[11:23:56] MarcT: I sometimes have false negatives and I did have my first false positive the other day =p
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[11:41:58] MarcT: anyone ever seen the same show listed twice to record on the same channel at the same exact time?
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[12:07:44] gbee: no, same channel on different sources at the same exact time, but not the exact same channel on the same source
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[12:32:16] sphery: MarcT: If it's "same exact channel" on different sources, the channels probably have different callsigns. Change the callsigns to be the same and it probably won't happen. (Known bug.)
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[12:46:39] MarcT: ok let me check
[12:48:43] gbee: sphery: needs to be more than callsign unfortunately, they should have the same channel id too
[12:48:54] gbee: err, channel number
[12:49:16] gbee: I thought it was just callsign too, but apparently not for single record rules
[12:49:50] MarcT: well thats not it.. that channel only exists on one source
[12:50:17] gbee: e.g. I set a single record rule for a show called Fubar which runs from 7am – 8am, it will record all showings of Fubar in that timeslot on every channel
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[12:59:16] sphery: MarcT: can you pastebin the output of mythbackend --printsched
[12:59:34] sphery: and mention which show it is
[13:16:40] gbee: what's the procedure for switching from packages to building from source for mythbuntu? I don't want to break autostart or anything else
[13:18:56] laga: gbee: for that, you will have to use the packaging scripts
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[13:19:12] laga: gbee: do you want to develop or just do some builds occasionally?
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[13:20:45] gbee: laga: just want to include a patch that isn't in the current builds
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[13:21:19] gbee: and in a couple of months I'll probably be switching to 0.22, so this is a one-off, but I really need that patch :)
[13:21:25] laga: heh
[13:21:26] laga: okay
[13:21:41] laga: enable apt-src repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:21:55] laga: if you have enabled the weekly builds, you might want to do that for that repo
[13:22:05] laga: ie check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:22:23] laga: then run apt-get update. ok?
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[13:25:08] gbee: k
[13:25:35] laga: now run apt-get source mythtv
[13:25:49] laga: that will give you the source and unpack it.
[13:26:07] laga: install dependencies: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv && sudo aptitude install devscripts
[13:27:02] laga: then cd mythtv-blah/, apply your patch, use dch -v 0.21–99999 to prevent upgrades of the package, run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[13:27:12] laga: yeah, might have to install fakeroot as well
[13:29:53] gbee: ok, got all that, just went back to add the weekly builds since I figured it was better to build from one of those
[13:35:03] gbee: hmm, still using the older package for source
[13:37:04] MarcT: sphery http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571796 teh show is Cougar Town on Sept 30th.
[13:37:17] MarcT: in the output it looks fine
[13:37:56] MarcT: I stand corrected
[13:38:12] MarcT: er no, I dont =p that output looks fine
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[13:43:44] MarcT: sphery here is a screen of mythweb http://imagebin.ca/view/AJAlBo.html
[13:45:45] MarcT: I went to the details of both version.. the web link is the same
[13:46:25] sphery: which show?
[13:46:31] MarcT: and there are other shows on the same channel that dont have the issue.
[13:46:34] MarcT: Cougar Town
[13:46:42] MarcT: on Sept 30
[13:47:56] gbee: laga: did you stop updating weekly builds for jaunty a while ago? I've added the weekly repo but it insists I've already got the latest version (19961)
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[13:48:25] PhoenixMage: Evening all
[13:48:37] sphery: MarcT: based on the --printsched output, it's doing the right thing--it will only record once on channel 805, using source 2, card 4, input 4
[13:48:49] sphery: MarcT: therefore, I'd guess it's a little bug in the display in MythWeb
[13:49:25] PhoenixMage: mycosys: Bought a couple of U3100's today, see how they go over the next couple of days
[13:49:36] cerasus: hi
[13:50:04] cerasus: if I un-install mysql and install a newer version do I have to recompile mythv?
[13:50:15] laga: gbee: not sure. will take a look soonish
[13:51:21] cerasus: hello?
[13:52:02] laga: cerasus: is this thing on?
[13:52:47] sphery: MarcT: I'll try to remember to look at it next week while I'm traveling... The hard part will likely be reproducing the issue.
[13:52:54] cerasus: what?
[13:53:33] sphery: cerasus: recompile mythtv, no. If the MySQL API has changed sufficiently between versions, you may need to recompile the Qt-MySQL drivers for the new version of MySQL.
[13:53:48] sphery: MythTV doesn't use MySQL directly--only through Qt-MySQL drivers
[13:54:37] sphery: cerasus: but the /proper/ way to do things is to do whatever your package manager (which was configured to work by someone who actually knows all the details of when the recompiles are necessary) tells you to do.  :)
[13:55:09] sphery: (and, if you're compiling everything yourself, you're taking on the responsibilities that are normally shouldered by the packager...)
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[13:59:18] mchou: PhoenixMage: umm, are those even suppored in linux?
[13:59:26] mchou: supported*
[13:59:40] chasep: myth is crashing and its saying that some of the tables are marked as crash, do i need to run myth.rebuilddatabse.pl?
[14:01:03] mchou: PhoenixMage: oh, nm, you're in au
[14:01:18] laga: no, optimize_mythdb.pl
[14:01:32] chasep: laga: that for me?
[14:02:39] laga: yes
[14:03:27] chasep: laga: doesnt work: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table './mythconverg/settings' is marked as crashed and should be repaired ...
[14:03:44] mchou: lol
[14:03:53] mchou: the blind leading the blind
[14:04:09] mchou: mysql _repair_
[14:04:25] sphery: mchou: laga is /not/ blind
[14:04:27] sphery: he's correct
[14:04:44] PhoenixMage: mchou: Yeah, I am, was gonna buy the Dvico Dual 4 but mycosys recommended the U3100's
[14:05:12] mchou: there is no way I'd use some mystery perl script to repair mythdb
[14:05:16] sphery: chasep: the ... in the error is the most important part of the error ... please give the rest of it
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[14:05:37] sphery: mchou: cat /path/to/optimize_mythdb.pl
[14:05:40] sphery: mchou: mystery solved!
[14:05:49] mchou: sphery: why?
[14:06:11] mchou: mysqlrepair (from the folks at mysql)
[14:06:13] sphery: because it doesn't require you to learn 1M arcane and cryptic command-line arguments that all affect how mysqlcheck works
[14:06:32] sphery: mysqlrepair = a symlink or hard link to mysqlcheck
[14:06:37] mchou: sphery: he doesnt need to check
[14:06:41] sphery: and isn't installed on most systems
[14:06:51] mchou: mysql is alrady report it's CZRASHED
[14:07:01] sphery: mysql is /not/ crashed
[14:07:09] sphery: some mysql /tables/ are crashed
[14:07:16] sphery: and mysqlcheck is the right program to use to fix it\
[14:07:30] mchou: mysql is already reporting the TABLES are CRASHED
[14:07:30] laga: sphery: you know, there is a reason i've been having mchou on ignore ;)
[14:07:31] sphery: if you want to use a bunch of stupid command line arguments
[14:07:55] sphery: an easier way is to just issue a REPAIR TABLE settings;
[14:08:06] sphery: which is /exactly/ what that "mystery script" does
[14:08:14] mchou: baloney
[14:08:39] sphery: mchou: which part of the exactly correct information I've said are you disagreeing with?
[14:08:49] chasep: sphery: mythfrontend says the schema needs to updated, run mythtv-setup (somethings fishy as there hasn't been any myth or mysql updates)... so, I run mythtv-setup and this it output: http://pastie.org/622778
[14:09:35] sphery: chasep: yes, mythfrontend is saying the schema needs to be updated because the settings table, which contains the Myth DB schema version, is crashed, so Myth can't find out that the schema version is correct
[14:09:36] mchou: sphery: I alreasy said. using mysterymeat perl script. not to mention your straw man of command line parameters
[14:09:48] sphery: chasep: so you need to run optimize_mythdb.pl
[14:11:32] sphery: mchou: you go tell the entire user base that they have to read and understand http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqlcheck.html entire page (which, obviously, you have never read and you don't fully understand, based on your lack of knowledge of what mysqlrepair is) or tell them that the optimize_mythdb.pl script does the right thing and ask which approach they'd prefer
[14:11:47] chasep: sphery: which gives me this: http://pastie.org/622784 which means i need to run mysqlrepair
[14:12:36] sphery: chasep: that's not the optimize_mythdb.pl script
[14:12:41] sphery: chasep: that's the button in MythWeb
[14:12:43] mchou: sphery: what BS, dude. mysqlrepair -u user -p passwd databasename
[14:12:54] mchou: sphery: what command line parameters?
[14:13:03] sphery: mchou: /if/ you have mysqlrepair (which many distros don't)
[14:13:09] chasep: perl optimize_mythdb.pl &> /home/chase/mythlog2 then i opened that file and pasted its conents
[14:13:45] MarcT: sphery do you want a backup of any of my tables?
[14:14:35] sphery: chasep: I see no possible way that the optimize_mythdb.pl script could /ever/ output the line, "You may need to check your settings.php file or re-run mythtv-setup."
[14:14:44] sid3windr: MarcT: only if they're crashed!
[14:15:00] mchou: sphery: lol
[14:15:01] sphery: MarcT: if you don't mind getting one, that would be nice.
[14:15:27] MarcT: I have a backup from every night of the week, you want a specific table or the entire database?
[14:15:29] chasep: me either, espically looking at the source
[14:16:01] chasep: it most be burried somewhere in the perl MythTV object
[14:16:02] mchou: chasep: welcome to mystery meat perl
[14:16:24] mchou: reduce complexity, pedal to the metal
[14:16:39] mchou: mysql native tools are your friend
[14:17:19] sphery: chasep: can you download http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/21949/trunk . . . ze_mythdb.pl and run it?
[14:17:28] mchou: wow
[14:17:38] mchou: come on man
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[14:17:58] sphery: chasep: if that fails that means that your mysql database has crashed
[14:18:02] mchou: it aint bad enough that it didnt work the first time?
[14:18:12] chasep: same thing
[14:18:18] sphery: still with the PHP?
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[14:18:24] chasep: yep
[14:18:36] mchou: hahah
[14:18:43] mchou: this is rich
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[14:19:51] chasep: it didn't hurt to try it with the perl scripts first...didn't work... mysqlrepair isn't hard to use either though, so its not a big deal to it
[14:19:59] mchou: exactly
[14:20:13] sphery: chasep: there's no way that you could get a php error from optimize_mythdb.pl
[14:20:20] sphery: can you run it without putting perl first
[14:20:27] mchou: sphery: you're in deep denial
[14:20:29] chasep: did it
[14:20:34] chasep: that way too
[14:20:36] chasep: same thing
[14:21:03] chasep: looks like we're back in business
[14:21:15] mchou: lol
[14:21:23] mchou: I swear
[14:21:35] oobe: can anyone tell me what how would myth handle guide info if i enabled EPG on top of my default guide data grabber
[14:21:38] mchou: some folks just like overcomplication
[14:21:40] sphery: mchou: yes, deep denial of the fact that his system is messed up if it's giving a PHP error when he runs a perl script that has /no/ possible way of outputting a php error
[14:22:18] chasep: sphery: the script itself doesn't have that in it, but it uses the perl MythTV libraries, which I'm assuming are written for web based interaces as well
[14:22:20] sphery: mchou: funny thing is if you replaced his mysqlrepair or mysqlcheck apps, they wouldn't do the right thing, either--bare metal or not
[14:22:31] sphery: mchou: but, hey, we're not all as smart as you seem to think you are
[14:22:44] mchou: sphery: dude, he just said he's back in business
[14:22:51] chasep: also, settings.php doesn't have to be relgated to web apps.
[14:22:58] sid3windr: chasep: I doubt mythtv library would know that all php scripts would be using settings.php.. :)
[14:23:18] chasep: sid3windr: thats why its just a generic error message
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[14:23:34] sid3windr: chasep: except it's ont, as it says check settings.php .. :p
[14:23:35] chasep: it doesn't say 'the problem is definitely in settings.php, go fix it'
[14:23:36] sid3windr: *not
[14:31:16] MarcT: sphery I just pm'd you the location of my database
[14:31:29] sid3windr: it's marked with an X
[14:33:06] sphery: chasep: I now see what was going on with the script. Thanks for the testing. I'll see if I can make it more resilient to the loss of the setting table (as well as getting a better error message).
[14:33:27] cerasus: is this ok? ~OpenGLVideoSync
[14:34:02] sphery: seems to be something saying that the destructor for that class was called
[14:34:04] cerasus: I mean if it's the fastest option? I see X taking 50% of cpu
[14:34:20] chasep: no problem. I actually thought it was an Xorg issue, and spent a few hours last night and this morning approaching it from that angle, in the process overwritting my backup config file and stuff, so now I gotta figure that all out again
[14:34:27] mchou: cerasus: hmm?
[14:34:31] chasep: a few extra minutes running some perl scripts wasn't a big deal at all
[14:35:13] ** cerasus wants mythtv qt4 ready **
[14:35:33] sphery: cerasus: trunk uses Qt4
[14:36:04] sphery: though it really makes no difference--other than which version of Qt you need to install before myth
[14:36:19] gbee: cerasus: because you don't want both QT3 and QT4 libs installed? Or some other reason?
[14:37:03] cerasus: mm.. I imagine there are improvements
[14:37:28] sphery: chasep: your $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml file got overwritten? If so, that's why you got that error.  :)
[14:37:34] cerasus: kde 3 -> kde4 is a huge difference
[14:37:51] mchou: cerasus: heh
[14:37:51] sphery: chasep: (actually, only part of the why, but still related)
[14:38:06] chasep: sphery: no, the backup of my xorg.conf file
[14:38:06] mchou: cerasus: dont get too excited about kde4
[14:38:17] chasep: after I started messing with it
[14:38:24] sid3windr: heh, kde4 is indeed a huge step backwards from 3 =)
[14:38:34] _ben: meh, i like it
[14:38:37] mchou: cerasus: I use it but that's only because kde3 is getting hard to come by
[14:38:48] cerasus: err I am already using kde4
[14:38:50] sphery: cerasus: MythTV doesn't use the Qt user-interface stuff... Myth has custom UI components designed and implemented (at a huge cost of gbee's time) to work well for the 10-foot user interface controlled through a remote.
[14:39:02] sphery: chasep: ah, I see...
[14:39:06] mchou: cerasus: that's my point
[14:39:16] chasep: sphery: so, I gotta mess around with that trying to fine tune the tvout stuff back to where I had it
[14:40:26] cerasus: anybody uses jack audio driver? I'd like to know how to use it. I am using other apps with jack...
[14:40:47] cerasus: mm.. what takes care of the sound? the frontend or backend?
[14:40:49] sphery: I don't know Jack
[14:40:55] cerasus: lol
[14:40:56] mchou: haha, good one
[14:41:38] mchou: cerasus: playback sound is taken care of by frontends
[14:41:47] sphery: the frontend is the only part that can use jack, though
[14:41:48] cerasus: ok
[14:41:57] sphery: recording can only use OSS API's
[14:42:06] mchou: but I don't like complexity :)
[14:42:18] sphery: (and, I think ALSA is now supported in trunk)
[14:42:30] mchou: it's bad enough with OSS, ALSA, PA, and god knows what else
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[14:43:03] mchou: ALSA been supported in trunk for a long time
[14:44:45] sphery: well, for about 4 weeks, it's been supported
[14:47:00] sid3windr: that's a long time!
[14:47:09] sid3windr: in IT it's an eternity!
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[14:52:19] chasep: sphery: another issues, and I was actually having this before all the db crash issues. when mythfrontend loads up, after the 'prescaling images' dialog, it just sits there and never displays the menu. If I restart the front end a few times it usually comes up. its not coming up now at all (it did once, but I had to restart x again while I was tweaking things)
[14:53:32] chasep: sphery: wait, I actual might have an idea this time
[14:55:17] chasep: nope
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[14:56:24] mikasaari1: Aboaut Terra layout and Game plugin. I do get error "container 'GameUI' is missing child 'plot'" "Cannot load screen 'gameui'". Is this propably Terra lacking something or my misconfiguration ? Thanks
[15:01:22] sid3windr: my lcd shows a heartbeat thing, even while it's turned off in mythtv (i also checked the database and it's set to 0) – any idea how to turn it off?
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[15:02:31] gbee: lcdproc config?
[15:02:49] gbee: the heartbeat thing is a feature of the lcdproc driver
[15:03:28] sid3windr: yea I'm looking there now
[15:03:34] gbee: mikasaari1: just delete game-ui.xml from Terra
[15:04:18] gbee: hmm, looks like someone themed mythgame in Terra
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[15:06:50] sid3windr: yeh, wasn't that iamlindoro? or am I making that up onw
[15:06:52] sid3windr: *now
[15:07:09] jduggan: gbee: out of intest, as i know you use dvb-s, all of the various bbc regions, do you add them all and set the callsign/number the same?
[15:08:57] jduggan: i was hoping it might help avoid conflicts with my limited tuners (moving the schedule to a channel on the same transponder as nother recording etc)
[15:09:32] jduggan: it has once, my region for bbc1 doesnt share a transponder with a bbc2 broadcast, but adding alternative regions it recorded from one that shared bbc2, it was able to record both at the same time
[15:10:04] _ben: i'm having a hell of a time trying to use the channel scanners
[15:10:05] _ben: :/
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[15:11:32] mchou: _ben: which ones have you used?
[15:11:43] gbee: jduggan: I hid them all except for the one for my area
[15:12:10] _ben: mchou: i mean the channel scanner in mythtv – I used 0.21 without any problems but trunk is proving to be a mission
[15:12:12] gbee: I don't really need them to avoid conflicts since I've also got two DVB-T cards
[15:12:26] _ben: using a nova-t 500 card
[15:12:27] mchou: _ben: forget using that
[15:12:39] mchou: _ben: you use cable or?
[15:12:41] jduggan: gbee: yea, moar tuners is the simple answer
[15:12:49] _ben: UK freeview
[15:13:10] jduggan: gbee: but i removed virgin media stb from mythtv and im still waiting for a cheap card to pop up on ebay :)
[15:13:29] mchou: _ben: nm. dont know jack about UK. but scan from 'dvb-utils has never failed me
[15:13:42] _ben: cool, i'll give that a try
[15:13:44] mchou: umm, 'scan'
[15:13:45] sphery: chasep: sounds like broken ATI or Intel video drivers: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164
[15:14:31] chasep: sphery: im using nvidia drivers, 8500GT
[15:15:14] mchou: chasep: what does fe say on the console when you start it from there?
[15:15:42] mchou: maybe it would tell you what it's searching for?
[15:15:58] mchou: (and having trouble locating)
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[15:17:14] chasep: hmm, if i start it from a terminal as myself, it loads right up
[15:17:24] mchou: heh
[15:17:26] chasep: its the init loading under mythtv user
[15:17:27] mchou: simple
[15:17:32] mchou: directory perms
[15:18:16] justdave_: I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why the fix for bug 6431 (which was commited to mythweb in rev20391) wasn't showing up in my local copy even though I had a newer rev than that from the avenard repo... finally dawned on me, it was only committed to trunk, it never got committed on .21-fixes
[15:18:34] justdave_: guess I continue re-patching it every time I update for now
[15:18:51] chasep: heh, it appears that /home/mythtv/.mythtv is symlinked to /home/chase/.mythtv
[15:18:55] chasep: why the hell did i do that
[15:19:14] mchou: cause you were too smart for your own good
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[15:24:44] chasep: mchou: everything in /home/mythtv is owned by mythtv:video still the same thing
[15:24:50] chasep: and i got rid of the symlink
[15:26:16] mchou: mkidr /home/mythtv/.mythtv; chmod -R ug+wx /home/mythtv
[15:28:02] mchou: also you might need to copy some stuff over like mysql.txt or whatever
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[15:28:22] chasep: when i said i got rid of the directory, i copied over the one that I was symlinking too. I'll change the permission though, right now they are drwxr-xr-x (755?)
[15:29:01] PhoenixMage: Is V4L an essential part of getting a DVB card working?
[15:29:16] mchou: you need to make sure everything in that dir is owned by mythtv
[15:29:43] chasep: it is
[15:30:49] mchou: PhoenixMage: most likely since tuner is dependent on v4l
[15:31:09] PhoenixMage: ok, thanks
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[15:34:31] gbee: how do you get box art etc into mythgame?
[15:35:46] gbee: and would anyone be prepared to dump their mythgame tables and zip up their mythgame art directories? It's tricky to test patches or theme the plugin without data :/
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[15:42:55] sphery: gbee: I have no MythGame stuff or I'd give you mine.
[15:44:24] sphery: gbee: iamlindoro has been trying to convince someone to do a grabber for http://www.mobygames.com/ , but I think he just manually downloaded his
[15:44:59] gbee: but what are the lazy supposed to do?
[15:45:18] sphery: Keep begging users until someone finally writes the grabber?  :)
[15:48:01] Gav8in: is it possible to use mythtv in a VCR-like way? just have it start/stop recording on an input on command, and let me name the recording?
[15:48:17] gbee: iamlindoro: I've made some changes to mythgame which makes everything but the tree optional, but also switches to the correct method of clearing textareas/images
[15:48:22] sphery: Gav8in: no, not really
[15:48:24] gbee: Gav8in: not really
[15:48:26] Gav8in: bummer!
[15:48:33] Gav8in: bu-mah i say. hrm.
[15:48:39] Gav8in: thanks
[15:49:25] sphery: Gav8in: why you can't use LiveTV with the R button: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284890#284890
[15:49:40] sphery: Gav8in: how you need to do it if you use Myth: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857
[15:50:01] Gav8in: thanks once again for the links
[15:50:03] sphery: (and that last one is also the one that mentions that Myth is the wrong tool for the job and that you're better off with even cat or dd)
[15:50:39] Gav8in: yeah, i get that. but my wife would like to integrate a gekTV (internet TV things for chinese shows) to our myth setup, and that'd mean doing this manual thing.
[15:51:11] Gav8in: so i'll chew on this, and maybe see what i can do for her
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[15:54:01] _ben: mchou: brill, that seems to have worked
[15:54:02] _ben: ta
[15:54:27] mchou: _ben: I need you to do me a favor now
[15:54:43] mchou: _ben: no joke....
[15:57:22] gbee: Gav8in: youtube type stuff, or iptv?
[15:59:10] Gav8in: gbee, gektv is an apparatus & service, so I'd have an HDPVR to record the component output
[15:59:11] gbee: the mythtube (terrible name) plugin which was in development seems like it probably would be what you want, but the guy writing it had to take a break so it's stalled
[15:59:27] gbee: Gav8in: ahh, so it's simply the lack of listings?
[15:59:40] Gav8in: gekTv is also entirely on demand
[15:59:58] Gav8in: you go through some menus (man, using these things is hard for us; I'm having to teach my wife to read chinese better) and pick a show
[16:00:30] Gav8in: then it starts; or alt3ernatively it begins downloading and lets you watch it perhaps the next day
[16:00:37] PhoenixMage: I am guesssing that SATA Blu-Ray drives require SCSI CDROM support compiled into the kernel?
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[16:01:06] Gav8in: (i do not speak chinese well, but i read/write better than my native speaker wife, so I end up helping her with that a lot, it's probably funny to watch)
[16:01:15] gbee: Gav8in: yeah that's tricky, lag doing it through the HD-PVR won't help much
[16:01:34] edman007: can anyone recommend a good clearQAM HD tuner for mythtv/linux?
[16:01:59] Gav8in: gbee, that's a good (and worrying) point. We probably need some other kind of solution than myth; although that solution might put the recording ultimately in mythvideo
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[16:04:48] okolsi: any Jamu gurus around? have some problems.. jamu finds stuff from ttvdb but doesn't download anything..
[16:08:58] sphery: Gav8in: From a quick glance at their T&C's ( http://www.gektv.com/us_en/en/terms_and_conditions.html ), they don't seem to be barring scraping the listings from their site ( http://www.gektv.com/us_en/en/program_1_1.html ), so you could theoretically create your own xmltv grabber (although they seem to be forbidding recording the output of the device...). If you have an on-demand subscription, though, you have the same issue ...
[16:09:04] sphery: ... that any cable TV VOD/PPV user has (that listings don't apply)... For that you could pop up some external VCR-like app (just make sure you do it through an EXECTV call in the menu so it locks a tuner for your use).
[16:09:49] mchou: Gav8in: wow. Is gekTV only for canada?
[16:09:52] Gav8in: right. or don't put that tuner in mythtvf in the first place
[16:10:01] sphery: mchou: only US
[16:10:03] Gav8in: I'm in the USA, and I know it's good here
[16:10:09] Gav8in: I know people use it in Canada though
[16:10:30] Gav8in: it's probably _the_ way to watch TVB miniseries in the USA.
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[16:11:12] mchou: Gav8in: you Chinese?
[16:11:23] Gav8in: nope...
[16:11:26] fnbrier: Am I better off starting with a empty Fedora 11 and installing the mythtv packages with yum or should I use Mythdora?
[16:11:32] Gav8in: daan haih ngoh ge taai taai hai wah-yahn.
[16:11:38] sphery: ah, yeah, US or Canada... "3. Eligible Subscribers. You must be a U.S. resident with a U.S. address location or a Canadian resident with a Canadian address location to receive the GEKTV service." ( http://www.gektv.com/us_en/en/terms_and_conditions.html  – I told you it was just a quick glance at the T&C's)
[16:11:40] mchou: Gav8in: lol
[16:12:00] sphery: fnbrier: MythDora is probably a much better approach
[16:12:06] gbee: iamlindoro: give me a buzz when you are around
[16:12:15] mchou: Gav8in: that's not wade giles
[16:12:18] sphery: fnbrier: otherwise you have to learn all the things you have to reconfigure to make Myth work on Fedora
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[16:12:33] Gav8in: mchou, wade giles isn't really used in canto; that was mostly yale system
[16:12:38] sphery: fnbrier: things like ripping out PulseAudio and ...
[16:12:39] mchou: Gav8in: I dont even freaking understand what you just said :)
[16:12:56] mchou: Gav8in: yeah, I dont speak canto
[16:13:01] sphery: gbee: iamlindoro is gone for the weekend, but should be back on Sun evening... (in case you didn't know)
[16:13:26] gbee: he might have said something now that you mention it
[16:13:29] fnbrier: Thank you. I installed Mythdora this week, but things are not going well. I installed just the backend. Now I need the frontend for MythMusic. And when I try to launch the frontend, it seg fautls.
[16:13:54] sphery: fnbrier: ATI video card?
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[16:14:20] mchou: Gav8in: seriously, how did you find out about GekTV?
[16:14:29] fnbrier: Actually I was trying to setup the backend in a KVM VM and use a PS3 via upnp as the front end.
[16:14:35] sphery: fnbrier: if so, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164
[16:14:39] Gav8in: mchou, i was googling how to watch TVB at home
[16:14:40] mikasaari1: gbee: Thanks, works like a dream !
[16:14:49] mchou: Gav8in: haha
[16:15:07] Gav8in: i like TVB ok, but i find the historic series kinda melodramatic and overacted
[16:15:20] mchou: Gav8in: it's not available via netflix?
[16:15:32] Gav8in: i also get annoyed by any historic drama that has a white guy in it; man the portrays are racist
[16:15:46] mchou: Gav8in: dude, that's the deinition of Chinese acting
[16:15:50] Gav8in: netflix no... they only carry movies in english, or with english subtitles
[16:15:59] mchou: definition*
[16:16:02] Gav8in: mchou, the contemporary series are usually less overdone
[16:16:19] fnbrier: The Mythdora backend installed and after getting it to use static IP instead of DHCP and the DNS working, the PS3 was actually able to play a recorded show.
[16:16:53] mchou: Gav8in: you havent seen the propaganda flict "Birth of the Chinese Republic"  :)
[16:17:01] mchou: flick*
[16:17:06] fnbrier: But I was getting an error message because it thought I had a "remote" capture device which did not have a channel assigned, which I did not.
[16:18:01] mchou: Gav8in: it's HILARIOUS
[16:18:13] Gav8in: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083346/
[16:18:14] Gav8in: ??
[16:18:16] fnbrier: Now the backend is down. The frontend segfaults. So I am thinking of wiping it and reinstalling from scratch telling the Mythdora installer to be both back and front end.
[16:19:10] mchou: Gav8in: no. It just came out
[16:19:27] mchou: Gav8in: celebrating 60th anniversary
[16:19:32] Gav8in: mchou, i'll watch for it...
[16:19:38] Gav8in: oh yeah, the PR was declared 60 years ago
[16:20:02] fnbrier: I did try to restart the backend service, but the upnp won't connect now.
[16:20:13] mchou: Gav8in: http://www-cdn.npr.org/templates/transcript/t . . . Id=112918961
[16:20:43] mchou: Gav8in: read (or better yet, listen to) the story
[16:21:43] fnbrier: Is there a problem running the MythTV in a KVM VM?
[16:22:09] Gav8in: well, at least they warned me up front that Zhang Ziyi won't be as seksi
[16:22:17] Gav8in: as usual! what a letdown that would be.
[16:22:26] mchou: Gav8in: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112918961
[16:22:35] mchou: Gav8in: there's the audio
[16:23:13] mchou: Gav8in: she wasnt sexy in "the road home"
[16:23:30] mchou: Gav8in: at least not in the convetional sense
[16:23:42] mchou: conventional*
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[16:24:24] Gav8in: mchou, let's move to msgs, i think noone else here cares about chinese films...!
[16:24:38] mchou: bah
[16:24:50] mchou: mythtv is about TV and films :)
[16:24:55] Gav8in: i haven't seen that film in years; i'll put it on my netflix
[16:26:55] mchou: Gav8in: get to the punchline yet on that npr site?
[16:27:32] Gav8in: the whole thing is weird
[16:27:35] mchou: Gav8in: "But one thing is not clear: whether the subtext of this movie represents an act of self-criticism by China's Communist Party, or a remarkable act of blindness."
[16:27:39] mchou: lol
[16:27:50] Gav8in: Chiang Kai-Shek portrayed in a POSITIVE way?
[16:27:53] mchou: that's classical chinese right there
[16:28:15] Gav8in: Mao, who nationalized everything in 1956 talking about vendors? It's very confusing to me.
[16:28:34] mchou: Gav8in: that's precisely why it's funny
[16:28:39] Gav8in: yeah
[16:28:56] mchou: Chinese irony
[16:29:18] Gav8in: i don't really get chinese jokes; i'm nowhere near fluent enough
[16:29:24] mchou: nono
[16:29:30] mchou: these arent jokes
[16:29:43] mchou: this is part of the chinese psyche
[16:29:47] Gav8in: yeah, they're a kind of weird using-history-to-make-commentary-on-the-present thing
[16:30:08] Gav8in: like when people in china start writing poems about this or that Qing figure, making a metaphor to the current republic
[16:30:21] Gav8in: i don't always get it
[16:30:47] mchou: yeah, except this is an acknwledged propaganda flick
[16:30:59] Gav8in: yup
[16:31:09] mchou: the party paid to get it made
[16:31:21] Gav8in: i used to keep a news photo of Mao & Chiang Kai-Shek toasting each other in my office
[16:31:32] Gav8in: took me a while to find it and get a copy, people were amused
[16:31:37] mchou: nah
[16:31:54] mchou: only people amuse by that are brainwashed
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[16:32:18] mchou: people who know the true history know the real deal
[16:32:24] PhoenixMage: man qt4 takes a long time to compile
[16:32:30] Gav8in: i also had a nice propoganda poster of mao & yin bao inspecting the red guard
[16:32:47] mchou: it's not as black and white as the "official" story
[16:33:17] Gav8in: at the chiang kai shek museum in taipei, i was endlessly amused by the photo of him and ghandi. dunno why, but i found it funny.
[16:33:29] mchou: hahah
[16:33:36] mchou: now that is funny
[16:33:50] Gav8in: well, it's _giant_ on display at the basement of the chiang kai shek memorial downtown
[16:33:56] Gav8in: go
[16:33:58] mchou: no-violence against japanese aggressors :)
[16:34:00] Gav8in: see it yourself
[16:36:30] mag0o: after doing an 'svn up' and rebuilding/reinstalling, do i need to run mythtv-setup again?
[16:36:56] mag0o: im letting mythfrontend upgrade the db schema and all, but wasn't sure if i needed to run mythtv-setup
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[17:04:53] android60_: for the trunk version, i configure the backend to point to my Videos directory, but on the frontend when I go to media library and any of the options, none of my stuff shows up
[17:06:55] wagnerrp: did you scan?
[17:07:14] android60_: scan?
[17:07:26] wagnerrp: scan, you have to scan to get stuff into mythvideo
[17:07:37] android60_: do i do that on frontend or backend
[17:08:08] wagnerrp: the backend has no UI to control to do the scan
[17:08:13] wagnerrp: are you in mythvideo currently?
[17:08:30] android60_: ya, but other computer is downstairs
[17:08:38] wagnerrp: which computer?
[17:08:43] android60_: the frontend
[17:08:46] android60_: backend is next to me
[17:08:54] wagnerrp: you have a frontend open on the backend?
[17:08:57] android60_: no
[17:09:10] wagnerrp: so how are you in mythvideo?
[17:09:14] android60_: frontend is downstairs, backend is next to me, this is laptop
[17:09:19] matt23: wagnerrp are you onhere 24x7? I hope the mythtv endowment fund pays you well
[17:09:30] wagnerrp: do you have a frontend open on the laptop?
[17:09:41] android60_: no, laptop is windows
[17:09:51] android60_: only 1 frontend atm
[17:10:07] wagnerrp: ok.... go to the frontend, hit 'm', and then hit scan for changes
[17:10:35] wagnerrp: they you may have to back out of mythvideo, and wait for a couple seconds, to let it flush out the old list
[17:10:37] android60_: ok, do i need to do that everytime i add videos etc then? and what about recordings? will they show up or will i have to scan then as well
[17:10:58] wagnerrp: recordings are a completely different area from mythvideo
[17:11:04] android60_: ok
[17:11:09] android60_: brb
[17:11:10] wagnerrp: recordings are core mythtv, videos are a plugin
[17:11:28] wagnerrp: and yes, you must rescan every time you add content into that folder
[17:11:51] wagnerrp: alternatively, you can check out JAMU, which can scan from the command line
[17:12:19] wagnerrp: however mythvideo only shows content in the database
[17:12:32] wagnerrp: and content only gets put into the database by performing a scan
[17:13:57] wagnerrp: matt23: im usually only paying attention in here a few hours a day
[17:14:21] wagnerrp: there are a large number of users in here who just dont turn their IRC client, or have an IRC proxy that is logged in all the time
[17:14:31] wagnerrp: turn off
[17:15:19] wagnerrp: RDV_Linux: that patch fixed the issue, thanks
[17:16:39] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: It is surprising what can be done over your first cut of coffee in the morning:)
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[17:17:41] paperclip: the first cut is the deepest
[17:18:44] matt23: wagnerrp that would be me hehe, but i haven't glanced at this window for a few days. let's here it for stable irc servers
[17:19:13] matt23: informal poll: is mplayer the preferred player for mythvideo these days?
[17:22:26] matt23: (09–19) 08:56 PDT Newark, N.J. (AP) --
[17:22:26] matt23: New Jersey police say a 4-year-old boy shared cocaine with his friends at day care because his father told him it was candy.
[17:22:34] matt23: one man's meat..another man's poison i guess
[17:23:04] wagnerrp: matt23: Internal is the preferred player for mythvideo these days
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[17:24:11] wagnerrp: must have got into his father's stash of pixie stix
[17:25:09] wagnerrp: RDV_Linux: makes me wonder how many other episodes have that issue
[17:25:47] wagnerrp: i only noticed it because i was using my export script, which set up to ignore unknown lines
[17:25:55] Gav8in: sure, i know that deadly combinatin very well indeed
[17:25:57] Gav8in: misfire
[17:26:30] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: I have no idea but I do not think there is many.
[17:26:53] okolsi: RDV_Linux: you have time to help with jamu..?
[17:27:00] wagnerrp: paperclip: were you the one asking sphery about 'LOCK_TUNER' a week and a half ago?
[17:27:05] paperclip: yes
[17:27:10] matt23: <wagnerrp> matt23: Internal is the preferred player for mythvideo these days
[17:27:15] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Sure IM me
[17:27:17] paperclip: i'd like to do some FM recording eventually
[17:27:21] matt23: hm it is? i was hoping to use ladspa to reduce the blasting sound on mine...hmm
[17:27:26] wagnerrp: have you actually tried to use that command?
[17:27:41] paperclip: nope.. haven't gotten the tuner installed
[17:27:57] wagnerrp: i know he mentioned to 'use the python bindings', although there is no canned command for that protocol yet
[17:28:15] wagnerrp: i was trying to write one up, but for some reason, LOCK_TUNER doesnt work on my system
[17:28:22] okolsi: RDV_Linux: it seems that jamu finds stuff from the ttvdb but still it doesn't download any fanart etc.. I'll prepare fresh debug output and put it into pastebin.. second..
[17:29:33] matt23: ok bbl!
[17:31:22] paperclip: wagnerrp: i'm still using .21+fixes.. figured I'd get into that once .22 was released.. moving targets and all
[17:31:57] wagnerrp: RDV_Linux: one other question, why did ttvdb.py get switched from nyud.net to the direct image downloads?
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[17:35:45] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: I am not sure when I first made the patch that was patch lines I did not expect. I resynced imported the SVN version of ttvdb.py and made my changes again. My patch does not make any changes to the URL for graphics. Take a look at the patch. I have not worked on ttvdb.py in so long I forget which URL was being used.
[17:36:14] wagnerrp: no, this was some modification made like a month ago
[17:36:26] okolsi: RDV_Linux: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571975
[17:37:10] wagnerrp: something about grabber failures using the cache
[17:37:24] okolsi: RDV_Linux: there's part of the debug output where jamu clearly finds stuff.. but then in the end nothing is downloaded..?
[17:38:06] wagnerrp: oh, i guess Coral has a low timeout, on on a busy day, if it didnt already have the content cached, it would timeout and return a 404
[17:38:07] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: I vaguely remember some discussion about forcing the NewYork mirror site for ttvdb graphics did not work for some locations. I think iamlindoro's words were "that site disappeared for some people"
[17:38:59] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Looking now. Will get back eventually.
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[17:42:00] okolsi: RDV_Linux: okay, if you need any additional info, just ask.. and by the way, I'm using FI language, if that is somehow relevant..
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[17:43:44] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Just for future reference and nothing to do with what you have reported, You can change your command line option from "-M -W -b --selected_data=PBF" to "-MW" the rest of the options are being ignored. When the -M option is specified getting coverfiles, banners and fanart are assumed.
[17:44:53] okolsi: RDV_Linux: k
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[17:45:06] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Did you specify your language in the configuration file?
[17:45:57] okolsi: RDV_Linux: yes: local_language: fi
[17:46:32] okolsi: RDV_Linux: and I've updated some of the Finnish titles to ttvdb so that it can find stuff..
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[17:49:45] xoritor: i have some lines showing up on some OTA HDTV channels, but not on others... could it be a playback profile for that specific stream
[17:49:58] xoritor: clarification: it only happens on some shows on some channels
[17:50:13] xoritor: not on all shows on a specific channel
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[17:55:39] sphery: xoritor: you're right about if it works in Linux it should work in Myth--assuming it's standard V4L/V4L2/DVB
[17:57:19] xoritor: sphery, thanks for that... but the real question was weather or not there was anything that could really take advantage of the multiple streams and "on the fly" stuff that the card can do
[17:57:45] xoritor: i realize it is more for "broadcasters" than video display output to one screen...
[17:57:48] wagnerrp: 'on the fly' stuff?
[17:58:08] xoritor: wagnerrp, http://www.bluefish444.com/downloads/Brochures/Epoch_range.pdf
[17:58:42] xoritor: video card that can scale HD and 2k video streams on the fly
[17:59:49] wagnerrp: rather impressive card to be wasted on mythtv
[17:59:54] xoritor: in that they start at about $2k for the new ones i would assume its mostly out of reach of most people
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[18:00:29] xoritor: i was wondering if myth could leverage any of the processing power of that card
[18:01:17] RDV_Linux: okolsi: I have more digging to do but I suspect (only as suspicion) that when jamu finds the Finnish "fi" version of the TV Show it skips graphics that are marked as English "en", The English fall back is only triggered when no series is found for the requested language. Remember this in only as suspicion at this point. I need to check further,
[18:03:30] wagnerrp: generally the limits of mythtv's scaling ability is feeding it to xv/xvmc/vdpau, and letting the graphics card do whatever it wants
[18:03:45] xoritor: wagnerrp, i was really impressed by that and thought of using one in my main system
[18:04:03] wagnerrp: if the card supports one of those, youre golden
[18:04:17] wagnerrp: however all mythtv does when using the x11 and xshm outputs is colorspace conversion
[18:04:18] xoritor: wagnerrp, right... as i dont have $2k to pony up for testing all i can do is try and research some
[18:04:25] xoritor: hmm
[18:04:30] okolsi: RDV_Linux: okay, sounds possible explanation :)
[18:04:34] wagnerrp: no scaling is attempted, due to processor requirements
[18:05:05] xoritor: so if the card does all of those things in linux it should "help" mythtv by offloading that from the cpu
[18:05:09] RDV_Linux: okolsi: That does not mean it is the way it should work:)
[18:05:43] wagnerrp: that card will probably not certainly not support vdpau, and you dont want to bother with xvmc even if it has it (not likely)
[18:06:07] wagnerrp: but assuming it has Xv, the card is probably set up to use the scaling hardware with it
[18:06:36] wagnerrp: in a more traditional video card, Xv is support for hardware colorspace conversion and scaling
[18:07:12] wagnerrp: now they say they support 'Linux API', whatever that is
[18:07:13] Dagmar: wagnerrp: On the subject of that, is Myth doing anything to actually affect colorspace changes?
[18:07:25] xoritor: right
[18:07:27] Dagmar: Like, I didn't notice anything I could use to fix the NTSC blackness problem
[18:07:45] Dagmar: ...and my nVidia 5200 would merrily ignore me saying NTSC-M
[18:07:52] Dagmar: bugged the hell out of me actually
[18:08:05] wagnerrp: its probably their own API, for you to write your programs against
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[18:08:20] wagnerrp: Dagmar: you mean how NTSC uses a limited color space, rather than the full RGB?
[18:08:23] Dagmar: (NTSC-J has 000000 black. NTSC-M like 131313 or somethin')
[18:08:31] wagnerrp: yeah, no idea
[18:08:41] xoritor: wagnerrp, thanks for that explanation
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[18:08:59] Dagmar: I'm talking about apecifically that outputting IRE 0 (which the card will merrily do for #000000 black) is technically wrnog and results in some weird crap
[18:09:23] Dagmar: I just made sure all my theme stuff doesn't use 000000 black at all
[18:09:40] xoritor: wagnerrp, you have to admit that is one darn impressive card though
[18:10:03] xoritor: at least the "brochure" is
[18:10:04] Dagmar: Do we?
[18:10:15] wagnerrp: xoritor: its professional equipment, it is designed for one specific purpose
[18:10:50] xoritor: right... and like anything specialized it probably only does that one thing well
[18:10:55] Dagmar: It looks like this thing would be the bomb in a studio.
[18:11:00] Dagmar: Not so useful for a Myth box
[18:11:16] xoritor: my wife will like to hear that
[18:11:17] xoritor: ;-)
[18:11:31] RDV_Linux: okolsi: the script ttvdb.py (used by MythVideo metadata collection) is returning the English graphics URLs even when "fi" is specified and the Finnish TV series name is used. So you could use the MythVideo metadata download. In MythVideo hit "W" as a quick way get metadata.
[18:12:06] Dagmar: xoritor: With a myth box you don't need 3/4 of the features on that card
[18:12:17] Dagmar: You have a machine capable of doing these types of outputs on it's own
[18:12:40] wagnerrp: he seems to want it for its upscaler
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[18:12:59] xoritor: Dagmar, upscaling, encoding, etc...
[18:13:12] wagnerrp: i didnt see anything saying that card supported encoding
[18:13:15] xoritor: oh yea
[18:13:22] wagnerrp: and you DO NOT want an HD framegrabber
[18:13:26] Dagmar: *sigh*
[18:13:33] Dagmar: Read the brochure carefully, dude
[18:13:37] xoritor: digital content
[18:13:38] xoritor: creation, video servers, encoding, decoding & streaming
[18:13:38] xoritor: of compressed files, live and non-live CG supporting
[18:13:42] Dagmar: You're about to get ripped off by a marketing guy
[18:13:47] wagnerrp: the CPU requirements for such a thing would be enormous
[18:13:54] xoritor: hmm
[18:14:25] xoritor: Dagmar, this is why i am doing more research before trying to buy one
[18:14:34] wagnerrp: better to just get an HDPVR for a fraction of the cost, and be done with it
[18:14:48] okolsi: RDV_Linux: hmm.. you mean that I can get metadata for recordings through MythVideo using "W" ?
[18:15:02] Dagmar: The reason it's got these conversion mechanisms is because it's meant to be used to take one image from the PC and send it to multiple types of outputs
[18:15:06] wagnerrp: buy consumer grade hardware for consumer intended purposes
[18:15:13] Dagmar: It is NOT designed as say, an h.264 decoder
[18:15:52] xoritor: well i have a good box for doing all this now... was just looking to upgrade around the end of the year
[18:15:53] Dagmar: http://www.bluefish444.com/downloads/Brochures/Epoch_range.pdf
[18:16:17] Dagmar: The majority of those features will be useless for Myth
[18:16:30] Dagmar: You'd be better off with an nVidia 8400 card
[18:17:03] wagnerrp: only $20 at microcenter
[18:17:06] xoritor: i have a 9800 gtx in there now
[18:17:12] okolsi: RDV_Linux: isn't the MythVideo "W" only usable when/if I've moved recordings to MythVideo..?
[18:17:13] wagnerrp: what ever for?
[18:17:21] xoritor: its what i had laying around
[18:17:33] Dagmar: xoritor: Then you migth wanna pop that out and put it in a gaming machine and replace it with a $20 8400. heh
[18:17:44] xoritor: i dont really game
[18:17:52] wagnerrp: if nothing else, so you dont have a vacuum cleaner next to your TV
[18:17:55] Dagmar: Then why the hell did you buy a 9800 gtx?
[18:18:07] xoritor: i was thinking os setting up some mame stuff for my wife though
[18:18:09] Dagmar: Do you have any idea how much power those things suck down?
[18:18:13] xoritor: Dagmar, it was a present
[18:18:22] xoritor: i didnt buy it
[18:18:24] wagnerrp: does MAME even use graphics hardware?
[18:18:25] Dagmar: Holy crap it's intense overkill for MAME
[18:18:31] xoritor: doubt it
[18:18:32] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Not the last time I checked, no
[18:18:39] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Oops I just realized you are using the jamu -MW option. Sorry jamu is the only current method of getting graphics for Scheduled and Recorded programs. I guess I will need:) to fix Jamu
[18:18:50] Dagmar: Congratulations, you just bought her a ferrari for going down to the corner store with
[18:18:56] Dagmar: That's how much overkill that card is for MAME
[18:19:11] xoritor: Dagmar, as i said i didnt buy it... it was a present
[18:19:29] sid3windr: what else would you do with a ferrari?
[18:19:33] sid3windr: I sure hope not going to work with it!
[18:19:34] sid3windr: :p
[18:19:39] xoritor: sid3windr, race the cops
[18:19:44] mchou: lol
[18:19:49] sid3windr: you can still do that while getting groceries
[18:19:51] mchou: babe magnet
[18:20:03] mchou: you'd cruise downtown :)
[18:20:04] xoritor: sid3windr, but you may break the eggs
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[18:20:14] sid3windr: eggs?
[18:20:20] xoritor: mchou, no you park downtown and let the girls come to you
[18:20:23] sid3windr: what are you saying, a ferrari has storage space for more than one egg?
[18:20:36] xoritor: yea... the passenger seat
[18:20:47] xoritor: you can put a whole dozen as long as you have no milk
[18:20:58] mchou: I fou get a chick she better have more than one egg
[18:21:07] mchou: you*
[18:21:26] xoritor: mchou, no fou is closer... but pronounce it "fool"
[18:22:30] mchou: xoritor: chick with only one egg left is past expiration
[18:22:56] xoritor: chick with only 1 egg left is 1 to many
[18:23:04] ** xoritor has 2 kids already **
[18:23:10] xoritor: dont need anymore
[18:24:56] mchou: nobody said you need the eggs fertilized
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[18:51:54] RDV_Linux: okolsi: I coded a change to my development version of jamu. If the no graphics for a specific type (coverart, banners, fanart) are found then any languages graphics for the type will be used.
[18:51:55] RDV_Linux: okolsi: The patch works but I need to think about when this could be harmful. At the very least I can get something figured out even if the fall back is the English graphics as is the stated fall back for jamu metadata or I keep this change limited to the -MW option.
[18:52:01] Dibblah: That was... Odd.
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[18:53:01] Dagmar: Yep
[18:53:41] okolsi: olsi: I coded a change to my development version of jamu. If the no graphics for a specific type (coverart, banners, fanart) are found then
[18:53:55] okolsi: blaah.. mouse error :)
[18:54:41] okolsi: RDV_Linux: okay, I'll stay tuned and wait if/when Jamu is updated in SVN.. I'm in no hurry or anything
[18:55:28] Dagmar: http://www.bluefish444.com/downloads/Brochures/Epoch_range.pdf
[18:55:36] Dagmar: bleh gotta clear that buffer
[18:56:03] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Likely a new version on Monday as I already have a few bug fixes done and was just finishing that testing,
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[18:57:23] okolsi: RDV_Linux: what if ttvdb search in Jamu results several hits.. does jamu then guess what might be correct and then fetches that info?
[18:58:21] okolsi: RDV_Linux: if so, is there a way to disable that? I mean.. I'd like Jamu to use only title when finding stuff.. and only when title is 100% the same, would it download anything
[18:59:34] okolsi: RDV_Linux: I havent' been able to download anything yet, but I'm a bit worried if Jamu would fetch wrong info and mess with the metadata etc..
[18:59:44] RDV_Linux: okolsi: No ttvdb.py and jamu use the same tvdb_api access functions. Jamu just filters on graphics that match the specified language. I am not sure I understand your title question/comment. Give an example please.
[19:01:07] okolsi: RDV_Linux: e.g.. I have recording with title "Blues".. with that search ttvdb results 8 hits but none are correct.. I don't want Jamu to fetch any of that info.. so no guessing if it doesn't find 100% exact title match
[19:02:51] RDV_Linux: okolsi: Lets move to IM as the answer is complicated (multiple options) and we will not clutter up the channel. I will IM you.
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[19:39:56] notlistening: Hi all I have a Homerun and have both tuners setup but in myther web it lists encoder 1 2 & 3 is that correct?
[19:40:44] notlistening: in the status pages
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[20:22:15] [R]: i recorded something at 6am and 6:30am and it is now 1:20pm and its just doing the commerical flagging for the one at 6am... do i have a setting wrong somewhere?
[20:22:45] Dagmar: Probably not
[20:23:00] [R]: the systme was very much idle from 7 to 1:0
[20:23:03] [R]: 1:20*
[20:23:26] [R]: actually... looking at the job queue
[20:23:39] [R]: there was something that recorded 4–5am and it was flagged at 930am
[20:23:58] [R]: then there was something 5–530am that was flagged at 11:20am
[20:24:14] Dagmar: So post to the mailing list
[20:24:14] [R]: seems pretty random to me
[20:27:07] [R]: should mythfrontend be using 13% cpu while idle?
[20:27:17] Dagmar: That depends on how you misconfigured it.
[20:27:44] [R]: haha
[20:28:02] Dagmar: I'm not joking.
[20:28:16] [R]: what could cause that?
[20:28:30] Dagmar: Misconfiguration, or not.
[20:28:37] wagnerrp: trunk or -fixes?
[20:28:42] [R]: trunk
[20:29:02] ** Dagmar walks away **
[20:29:46] [R]: i ownder if i switch to using mythwelcome and not having mythfrontend running when its not in use
[20:29:54] [R]: would that be better?
[20:30:08] Dagmar: It's a mystery
[20:30:15] wagnerrp: trunk mythfrontend should be taking next to no processor idling in the menu
[20:30:23] [R]: hrm
[20:30:25] ** [R] ponders what he screwed up **
[20:30:34] wagnerrp: 0.21 would take some processor because of inefficiencies in the QT3 UI loop
[20:30:49] wagnerrp: as well as a lot of power for the video previews in recorded programs
[20:30:56] wagnerrp: but trunk is doing nothing but sitting there
[20:31:27] [R]: looks like its stopped
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[20:31:50] [R]: its like 0.3% now
[20:32:03] notlistening: umm on mythweb i have added a few programs and it is complaining about conflicts even though i have two tuners installed it does not use the second
[20:32:36] Dagmar: Go back into mythtv-setup and make sure you actually bound the channel source to the second tuner
[20:32:52] Dagmar: ...and then make sure the second tuner actually works.
[20:32:56] Dagmar: ...by checking your logs.
[20:33:38] notlistening: its a Homerun and it is listed in mythweb but i will go check
[20:34:56] wagnerrp: you added both tuners as separate tuners?
[20:35:09] wagnerrp: and you made sure to change the ID on the second one?
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[20:40:42] notlistening: yeah did all that and setup EIT scanning on one only and not the other
[20:40:58] notlistening: just rerun through it all to double check ;)
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[20:45:51] notlistening: and still mythweb lists three encoders even though i have two. The first encoder twice and the second once so HR 0 HR 0 and HR1 and still does not assign any recording to HR 1
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[20:47:32] notlistening: I can chppse HR 1 in the prefered inputs on the adv setting on the schedule
[20:47:48] notlistening: but it makes nada difference
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[20:51:16] notlistening: :( which log is best to look at?
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[20:53:13] notlistening: Right figured it out
[20:53:32] notlistening: but can someone confirm that this is expected behaviour
[20:55:13] notlistening: seperate video sources was stopping it from working
[20:55:45] notlistening: one with EIT and the other without as i only wanted one tuner scrapping EIT data
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[21:24:13] sphery: notlistening: each video source needs listings, so if you have one video source with EIT and one without, the one without has no listings, so will not have any programs matching rules
[21:25:05] notlistening: ahh opps
[21:25:07] sphery: notlistening: Myth also knows when 2 inputs share listings, so it can be smarter about EIT grabbing, meaning you don't have to worry about using the same source with EIT enabled on both
[21:25:23] notlistening: thanks sphery
[21:25:46] notlistening: that makes sense now you just made it very clear
[21:27:35] messerting: Hi – anyone working on the News Feeds plugin? In trunk (r2104) I get "Progress count (3342388) is higher than total (3014707)" in my frontend log when I try to retrieve a feed
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[21:37:07] MythBork: Anyone ever seen a situation where MythTV records a program and the entire file is there. But when you go to watch it only a portion is there? I have had this happen twice now, once only able to see 7 minutes of a 5GB HD file, once only able to see 40 mins of a 2GB SD file.
[21:44:32] sphery: MythBork: if you start the program and hit 10 INFO , does it get you "to the other side"?
[21:45:43] justdave: if you have auto-commercial-skipping enabled, it's possible that commflag thought the entire second half was a commercial?
[21:46:10] justdave: try setting your commercial skipping to notify instead of automatic, and see what happens
[21:47:43] wagnerrp: sphery: #6885 now supports locking tuners, but i have no way of actually testing it
[21:48:00] wagnerrp: for some reason, my system does not allow me to lock tuners
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[21:48:14] sphery: wagnerrp: cool...
[21:48:23] sphery: do you have any analog cards?
[21:48:33] sphery: it probably only works for analog
[21:48:56] wagnerrp: i tried both analog cards, digital cards, and a HDHR
[21:49:06] sphery: hmmm
[21:49:22] wagnerrp: i tried on both an MBE (with no cards), an MBE (with cards), and an SBE (with cards)
[21:49:40] wagnerrp: and im doing it right, i had someone run the exact same commands i was using on their system last night, and it worked
[21:49:59] sphery: strange
[21:50:21] sphery: I've never used it, before, so I don't know what might be happening
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[22:03:09] [R]: i have 2 tuners where the 2nd tuner is a subset of the 1st
[22:03:30] [R]: and the first tuner is busy and i'm trying to record a show on a channel on the 2nd, but its not recognizing that the channel is the same on both the tuners
[22:03:40] [R]: how do i make it realize that? the callsign and name and channel number is the sam
[22:10:44] wagnerrp: there is no concept of 'subset'
[22:10:57] wagnerrp: you just have to make two lineups, and let myth recognize the duplicates
[22:11:36] [R]: yeah, its not doing that though
[22:12:18] wagnerrp: did you tell it to only record on one channel? are you getting the listings data from the same source for both lineups?
[22:12:35] [R]: hrm, there is no listings data for the 2nd source
[22:12:45] [R]: i thought if i made the callsigns and channel numbers and names the same it would work
[22:12:56] wagnerrp: nope
[22:13:10] [R]: if i set the xmltvid is that enough?
[22:13:20] [R]: or do i need to set up SD for the second source?
[22:13:22] wagnerrp: you could run some cronjob that calls mythfilldatabase, and the duplicates the channels you need
[22:13:30] wagnerrp: but easier to just set up a second SD source
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[22:27:37] messerting: Hm, I have no frontends running, but suddenly my backend started to spit out the following:
[22:27:39] messerting: 2009-09–20 00:25:48.725 [mp2 @ 0x7f343bfecc40]Header missing
[22:27:40] messerting: 2009-09–20 00:25:48.726 AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error
[22:27:54] messerting: 10 times a second
[22:28:13] messerting: I think I've got one recording running
[22:28:19] Dagmar: Fascinating.
[22:29:05] [R]: there we go
[22:29:07] [R]: victory
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[22:31:16] edman007: can anyone recommend me a good clearQAM/HD tuner?
[22:31:38] [R]: hdhomerun?
[22:34:11] wagnerrp: no such thing as an HD tuner
[22:35:01] Dagmar: Unless you're a fan of PBS, ClearQAM will be of extremely limited utility
[22:35:26] [R]: i get all of my locals in qam
[22:35:28] [R]: its quite nice
[22:35:34] edman007: Dagmar, i'm right next to NYC...i should be able to get ABC/NBC/FOX/PBS and a few others in HD
[22:36:01] Dagmar: Those same stations are likely also broadcasting in ATSC now.
[22:36:17] [R]: they are... but i currently lack an antenna
[22:36:19] Dagmar: ...which is likely why you can get them in the clear over QAM
[22:36:21] wagnerrp: for most people the only advantage of using clearQAM is that they dont need an antenna
[22:36:36] [R]: and i already have my coax from my cable company by my computer
[22:37:28] edman007: Dagmar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WABC-DT#Digital_television
[22:37:41] edman007: i want something to pick that up
[22:38:07] edman007: 720p over the air
[22:38:15] wagnerrp: you can likely just use an antenna, and not bother with a cable subscription
[22:38:20] edman007: and i'm well within range
[22:38:33] edman007: wagnerrp, well i need a tuner for that
[22:38:34] wagnerrp: so why are you looking for a qam tuner?
[22:38:54] edman007: i have an analog-only tuner now
[22:39:02] wagnerrp: qam != atsc
[22:39:10] Dagmar: So the station is broadcasting in ATSC.
[22:39:31] Dagmar: This is the likely the *sole* reason your cable company is rebroadcasting them without enabling encryption.
[22:39:41] Dagmar: They're required to leave it unencrypted by law.
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[22:40:09] edman007: wagnerrp, alright, so a decent ATSC tuner...
[22:40:23] edman007: i thought they just broadcast in QAM
[22:40:50] Dagmar: Yeah, reading is helpful stuff.
[22:40:51] wagnerrp: QAM is used for cable
[22:41:04] wagnerrp: ATSC is the north american digital broadcast standard
[22:41:50] matt23: not never but always...the same color :)
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[22:42:52] edman007: Dagmar, i did read, i could not find anything that specified what it was transmitted over
[22:43:16] edman007: search the link i gave, never mentions what it is transmitted in
[22:43:17] Dagmar: Yep. Reading is helpful stuff, alright.
[22:43:40] Dagmar: So, you're blaming the fact that it wasn't on the page you happened to be looking at.
[22:43:42] sid3windr: reading is hard, mmkay
[22:46:32] edman007: anyways, can someone recommend a tuner?
[22:48:29] wagnerrp: what kind of slots do you have?
[22:49:47] edman007: PCIe 2.0, PCI, PCI-X
[22:50:00] sid3windr: "the works", heh
[22:50:06] edman007: yup, lol
[22:50:06] matt23: a whollleee lotta slots!
[22:51:03] wagnerrp: what are you doing with PCI-X.... anyway, for an express card, grab a HVR-1250 or 2250
[22:52:52] edman007: wagnerrp, well its a dual socket board, PCI-X is kinda a given, right now i got my wifi in a PCI-X slot...
[22:53:04] edman007: but i'm not using wifi...
[22:53:33] ** sid3windr has pci-x in his desktop, too **
[22:53:57] [R]: what is the name of the key in the database for the program that includes extra output for the backend status page?
[22:54:31] MarcT: Sith
[22:54:34] MarcT: =p
[22:56:07] MarcT: J/K no idea. But I recently found out that the old developers at my company had a hard-on for starwars. The flag to make a users account an admin account was Jedi
[22:58:24] edman007: i guess i'll just buy the home run thing, that looks pretty good
[23:01:42] kusznir: edman007: I think the hdhomerun is wonderful; if you want to know more, head over to #hdhomerun
[23:01:54] clever: Dagmar: remember the sync bug you mentioned a day or 2 ago?
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[23:06:28] Dagmar: I did no such thing that I'm aware of
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[23:17:24] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Good news btw – I got my pvr-xxx audio to work by switching the audio input to 0, then back to 1 using v4l2-ctl – the reason it didn't work before was because the 'v4l2-ctl' that I had installed by default didn't work- I had to d/l the one from the linuxtv.org site and compile it...
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[23:19:23] chasep: just dropped a third tuner card in my box, and I can't modprobe cx18 AND nvidia at the same time :-( http://dpaste.com/95699/ thats the error I get. Any ideas? the third card isn't vital, so I can live without it if its going to get too involved, but I thought you might have some suggestions
[23:20:02] sphery: J-e-f-f-A: Good to hear. We still need to modify the code to be able to take care of the audio for you guys...
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[23:21:25] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: Yeah, I was getting really flustrated with it last-night, and read some posts about using v4l2-dmp to dump the registers, so I went on a hunt for that. In that source package was also a v4l2-ctl, which I tried, and it WORKED... where the one I had installed (probably from an RPM) didn't work...
[23:21:40] J-e-f-f-A: (well, some things worked with it, but changing the audio input with the card 'open' didn't...)
[23:21:55] Dagmar: chasep: Perhaps if you read what you pastebinned, and I MEAN READ IT NOT JUST ADMIRE IT'S COLOR AND FONT, the answer will become obvious.
[23:22:19] chasep: woah, there were words?
[23:22:23] Dagmar: It says RIGHT THERE IN THE MESSAGE what to do.
[23:22:31] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: So I just have my channel-change scripts kick off a shell that waits 2 seconds, then flips the audio to '0', then .25 secs back to '1'... works perfectly now.
[23:22:53] chasep: I know what it said, but I personally prefer to not mess with .h files, or memory related stuff in my kernel without getting some feedback first
[23:23:00] Dagmar: READ IT
[23:23:09] chasep: we learned earlier today in this very channel that sometimes error messages can lie
[23:23:22] chasep: right sphery?
[23:23:26] Dagmar: It says not a damn thing about changing any header files.
[23:23:36] Dagmar: It's not lying, you're illiterate.
[23:23:43] Dagmar: vmalloc= is a kernel parameter
[23:23:44] chasep: cx18–0: ioremap failed, perhaps increasing __VMALLOC_RESERVE in page.h
[23:23:47] chasep: what does that say?
[23:24:02] Dagmar: It says you're illiterate.
[23:24:19] Dagmar: ...because the line above that isn't even a little vague or doubtful.
[23:24:24] Dagmar: it says flat out to use vmalloc=
[23:25:12] chasep: okay, and like I said, I'm not as familar with memory related stuff in the kernel, so I didn't want to just go and do it without getting some feedback first.
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[23:26:12] chasep: earlier today optimize_db.pl told me to check settings.php when it crashed
[23:26:38] Dagmar: Earlier today someone asked if I wanted a reciept.
[23:26:54] chasep: so, like i said, sometimes the suggestions in error messages are wrong or misleading, and before I go and screw with things I don't totally understand, I prefer to check them out
[23:26:55] Dagmar: Perhaps a reciept will fix your problem.
[23:27:30] Dagmar: http://www.rif.org
[23:27:45] J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar: Did you receive the receipt?  ;-)
[23:27:58] Dagmar: Also... /proc/meminfo will have a piece of information you'll need
[23:28:19] Dagmar: J-e-f-f-A: I'm sure if there's something wrong with the burger I ate I'll have no problems returning it
[23:28:31] ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. **
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[23:29:38] chasep: okay, well, I dont feel comfterable tweaking those parameters without knowing what I'm doing, and since you'd rather be a little bitch than help me out, I'll try and find it somewhere else
[23:31:00] Dagmar: I guess you'll have to try locally to find someone to type it in for you since I've already told you, the kernel's already told you, a trivial web search would have told you, oh and if you had more RAM you woudln't even have had the problem in the first place.
[23:31:32] Dagmar: Don't blame others because your parents failed to teach you to read.
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[23:33:14] chasep: yes, I know HOW to do it; what I don't know is, given my resources, am I going to break or hurt something by doing it
[23:33:22] chasep: you don't even know how much ram I have
[23:33:24] Dagmar: How will you ever know anyway
[23:33:30] Dagmar: I know what it's LESS than
[23:33:40] Dagmar: I know what the FAQ says you need per tuner to run MythTV
[23:33:56] Dagmar: ...and I know you've now got less than that value.
[23:34:44] Dagmar: Each and every one of those devices requires a fixed window of mrmory to work in
[23:35:00] Dagmar: This memory space is reserved by the kernel at boot time based on how much memory you have.
[23:35:13] matt23: no way, he's got < 64M ?
[23:35:30] Dagmar: matt23: You fail at vm information
[23:35:34] matt23: heh
[23:35:41] matt23: oh vm sorry
[23:36:34] matt23: wow still..not being able to allocate 64M of vm is almost as bad :)
[23:36:48] Dagmar: It doesn't allocate piles and piles of it by default
[23:37:00] Dagmar: That would be dumb and people would complain
[23:37:00] chasep: 256m per tuner
[23:37:05] matt23: and..that's a good thing -M. Stewart
[23:37:05] chasep: x3 tuners
[23:37:13] chasep: = less than 1 gig
[23:37:21] chasep: so unless my video card is using over a 1 gig
[23:37:23] Dagmar: Guess what... Your video card requites some as well.
[23:37:24] chasep: i should be okay
[23:37:35] chasep: i have 2gb of ram
[23:37:44] Dagmar: But hey, if you want to be thick and argue that since it doesn't say anything about a video card requirement, you can go ahead and bitch at Linus Torvalds about it
[23:38:23] Dagmar: He's the one who set those allocation defaults.
[23:38:24] chasep: my video card isnt using 1.25 gigs of ram
[23:38:32] Dagmar: You're the one with the misconfigured system.
[23:38:42] Dagmar: I'm the guy writing you off as a lost cause.
[23:38:51] chasep: wait, you said i didn't have enough ram, now you are saying my system is misconfigured?
[23:38:56] chasep: which is it? i thought you knew all?
[23:40:45] chasep: i could care less if you dont want to help, but just shut the hell up then; or do you not have anything better to do than insult people and try to pick fights on IRC?
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