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Friday, September 18th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, Only problem w/ the patch is that recursing forever will produce unwanted results, so I'll need to limit it so that if the node and the grandparent node match title, we'll grab that item

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iamlindoro:

ie I select my "television" folder and get artwork for "Band of Brothers"

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iamlindoro:

Better to Select Band of Brothers and have it go Band of Brothers->Season 1->Band of Brothers and set it for that item only

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iamlindoro:

We already follow similar logic elsewhere

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GSF1200S:

anyone know of a USB cable tv input tuner that works on Arch linux?

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J-e-f-f-A:

GSF1200S: linuxtv.org is where you should be looking – one that should work AFAIK is the Hauppauge HVR-950Q

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mzb:

hmm ... myththemes renamed to themes ... I assume an svn switch is required? ... or is it just as easy to do a fresh pull?

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mzb:

also, couldn

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mzb:

't

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

find any mention of the change using the svn browser ... how do I find things like that?

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mzb:

(one of my email accounts has developed a black hole, so I can't browse through mythtv@cvs.mythtv.org locally;))

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mzb:

dm, fresh pull

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sphery:

mzb: svn up

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sphery:

mzb: no need for a new checkout

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sphery:

mzb: assuming you had a checkout of trunk (versus a checkout of trunk/myththemes

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sphery:

if you did a checkout of individual dirs, then a new checkout

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mzb:

nope, it refused

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mzb:

invalid path or something

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sphery:

but really, what happened was all the themes in myththemes got moved to oldthemes

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sphery:

what was your initial checkout done as?

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mzb:

ie: it's myththemes to themes

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mzb:

did a co

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sphery:

of what dir

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sphery:

and, again, myththemes did /not/ get changed to themes

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sphery:

myththemes themes got moved to oldthemes

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mzb:

I did a co of individual dirs under trunk/

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sphery:

soon themes themes (not including Graphite) will get moved to oldthemes

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sphery:

and Graphite will get moved to mythtv/thtmes

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sphery:

yeah, you'll need a fresh checkout of the new oldthemes dir

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mzb:

lol

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sphery:

and themes should actually svn up no problems

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sphery:

all this, however, assumes your working copy is pristine

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mzb:

maybe so, but as I said, I've co'd the indivual dirs in trunk/ ... so if the dirs all move around and change names I've got to make manual adjustments here

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mzb:

I *could* change it so that I co the whole of trunk/

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** J-e-f-f-A does that... ;-) **

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mzb:

and my source is *cough* reasonably pristine ;)

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** mzb feels slightly uncomfortable discussing the cleanliness of his privates ;) **

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kormoc:

your privates are in a public repository?

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wagnerrp:

did american idol get moved? or has its season just not started yet?

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wagnerrp:

i seem to remember having to run my fringe recording long last year, because AI would regularly take several minutes extra

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sphery:

heh, so I'm doing testing of some DB creation patches and I noticed a failure that said it stopped at schema ver 1216 with an error, but the DB showed version 1244... Took me forever to figure out that I was looking at ~/mythtv-seutp.log (from 2009-03–10), not ~/log/mythtv-setup.log (from the test run)

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wagnerrp:

ah, so 21924 was a problem

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wagnerrp:

i remember someone in here yesterday complaining about that not working

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mzb:

kormoc, no, my privates are in my version of the public repository ;)

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wagnerrp:

are you saying youre currently riding the village bicycle?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: 21924 is a problem?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: 21924 is a solution, rather

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sphery:

oh... had me worried

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wagnerrp:

more that the problem 21924 solves was a bug

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sphery:

someone was in here complaining that their filemarkup conversion didn't work?

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mzb:

oh rats, another database shema upgrade ...

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sphery:

or what were they complaining about

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** mzb goes downstairs to press enter ;) **

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wagnerrp:

filemarkup? no, that colon deliminated paths in VideoStartupDir didnt work

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mzb:

err ... scrap that

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wagnerrp:

the old style of supporting multiple folders in mythvideo

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mzb:

I'm getting a warning that "MythTV was unable to backup your database"

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sphery:

oh... don't know if that will have any effect on that

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sphery:

mzb: I'd love for you to give me the whole log file from that

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mzb:

I *think* I've got a storage dir setup for database, and I *think* the perms on the dir are right

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sphery:

mzb: what program are you running to upgrade DB?

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mzb:

shame I don't rotate ;)

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sphery:

mzb: well, can trim it for only /this/ instance/run :)

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mzb:

err ... after a successful build, my script restarts the backend and then changes init levels (which starts the frontend)

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mzb:

you want backend log?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i usually get several hundred megs of logs before i bother to chop it manually

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sphery:

assuming the backend is the one that's doing the DB upgrade

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sphery:

(versus mythtv-setup)

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wagnerrp:

just one of those many things i keep intending to fix

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sphery:

mzb: or, is this a frontend (plugin) upgrade

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sphery:

mzb: I'll bet it's the mythvideo DB upgrade

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mzb:

no idea

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mzb:

something about 1 version behind

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sphery:

mzb: and your DB Backups dir is set up for proper write access by the user running mythbackend, but not for the user running mythfrontend

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sphery:

different users for mfe and mbe?

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mzb:

nope

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mzb:

database dir is owned by another user in the same group. Group has write access

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mzb:

you want me to restart the frontend with logging?

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sphery:

can I get both frontend and backend logs

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sphery:

oh, you weren't logging frontend?

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mzb:

nope

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mzb:

I've not pressed anything yet

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sphery:

yeah, if you could say exit, then restart with logging, that would be great

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mzb:

I'll just kill it ;)

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mzb:

np

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sphery:

should give you a nice exit button :)

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sphery:

ah, you don't want to go downstairs...

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

doesn't seem to be *anything* in the backend log

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's quite possible that change will have an effect, but I didn't trace where all we use the GetRelativePath() function, so I can't say it will. If nothing else, it will ensure that users with mythvideo seektables created with absolute paths specified by the VideoStartupDir paths will have proper seektables :)

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sphery:

mzb: I'm almost positive this is the frontend/plugin schema upgrade, so a frontend log only is fine

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mzb:

*this* time the screen is different ... it says "Warning .. blah blah\nfor the Video shema from 1027 to 1028"

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mzb:

previously it was a windowed warning, this time it's fullscreen

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sphery:

hmmm

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mzb:

(a qt window, if that makes sense)

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sphery:

is mythbackend running?

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sphery:

if not, maybe you had both mythtv and mythvideo upgrades going on

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sphery:

(and mythbackend is still waiting on input)

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sphery:

wonder if it could have been a race-condition with 2 different processes trying to write to an identically-named backup file (which can only happen if they both try to backup within the same second)

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mzb:

FE log: http://openpaste.org/en/16827/

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sphery:

thx

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mzb:

BE: http://openpaste.org/en/16828/

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mzb:

looks like time is out ... which is confusing me

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sphery:

mzb: hmmm... this time it says the backup worked

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sphery:

Backed up database to file: '/myth/video/recordings2/mythconverg-1244–20090918104806.sql.gz'

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mzb:

don't worry about the undefined inputs ;)

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mzb:

yeah, I think it's supposed to be: /myth/stores/store0/database ... but I'll check that later

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sphery:

Current Schema Version: 1244

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mzb:

actually, I might run FE in ssh -X rather than going downstairs ;)

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sphery:

says that your TV DB is the current version

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mzb:

anything else you need from that?

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sphery:

(technically, having that line without anything saying that it's not that ver)

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sphery:

no, that's what I wanted

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mzb:

(I did do a manual backup [dump] prior to upgrade)

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sphery:

but we didn't catch the failed backup... :(

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mzb:

ok, cool

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mzb:

no

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mzb:

hmm, sorry ... nothing there ... I'll look again

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sphery:

which user runs mythfrontend?

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sphery:

mythtv?

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mzb:

yes

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mzb:

yeah, no logging (normally) for FE, so I suspect the strange error went into a black hole

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sphery:

I've never had the backups fail for me, so I really want to find out why they fail for others

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sphery:

so did your system restart both mythbackend and mythfrontend at the same time?

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mzb:

BE also run by "mythtv" user

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sphery:

if so, I'd guess that you just had a bad timing issue and they both tried to use the same filename, so it succeeded for the first one to actually write the file and failed for the other

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mzb:

pretty much, check the last 5 lines of this: http://openpaste.org/en/16829/

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mzb:

hah! got the error on another FE

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mzb:

oops, still no logging ... hang on

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mzb:

looks like it's suggesting what you're saying

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sphery:

timing issue--same filenames?

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mzb:

but possibly for a different reason (nfs not mounted iirc)

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mzb:

xps FE log: http://openpaste.org/en/16830/

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sphery:

ahhh, non-existent dir would be bad

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mzb:

yep, remote FE, NFS not mounted

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mzb:

running FE remotely through ssh -X to MBE now

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sphery:

Not allowed to upgrade the database. Skipping backup.

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mzb:

yep, I'll start mythtv-setup jic

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sphery:

mythtv-setup or mythbackend will upgrade

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sphery:

mythfrontend won't

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sphery:

but if your mythbackend is already running, it finished upgrading

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sphery:

so the frontends just started too fast

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mzb:

yep

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sphery:

if your mythbackend is not running, it may be waiting on input

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mzb:

no DB dir set

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mzb:

it was running, not doing much

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mzb:

no warnings on mythtv-setup

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sphery:

even without a DB dir, it should fall back to your Default storage group dirs

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mzb:

but going to set DB dir

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

actually, the first in the default list (I have two)

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sphery:

yeah, it will choose whichever dir is on a filesystem with the most free space

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sphery:

if they tie, just whichever comes first

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

yep, getting the video schema upgrade

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mzb:

so the contention between the FE + the BE wanting to upgrade is my fault? (timing-wise) ... or is that a mythtv problem ;)

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mzb:

ie: do I need to insert a sleep in my rebuild script ;)

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mzb:

"Converting filenames in filemarkup table from absolute to relative paths"

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mzb:

now that's something I like ;)

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mzb:

now to see if the ff issue is fixed before I remove the LCD from the wall and find the audio problem :|

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sphery:

mzb: note that could take a long time

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mzb:

mine's probably empty(ish)

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sphery:

yeah, it only affects the mythvideo videos

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sphery:

(as recordings are much better specified, already)

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mzb:

kept losing metadata, so gave up on it months ago

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sphery:

in 0.23, we hope to have the same for both

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mzb:

however I _would_ like to get back to the pretty video collection again

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mzb:

speaking of mythvideo, playlists are supported, right?

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mzb:

what sort of playlist-specific controls are available?

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mzb:

ie: next item, last item, shuffle?

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mzb:

is the list read once at start of playback? ... etc

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mzb:

any tickets?

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sphery:

mzb: no, no real playlists in MythVideo

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sphery:

only support is through the "File to always play after this video" setting

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mzb:

hmm ... nope ... I'll stick with my dodgy scripting method then

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sphery:

that, also, will likely be changed to use same playlist functionality as TV recordings (I hope for 0.23)

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mzb:

*sigh* ;)

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mzb:

ah well ... no change in current system of music videos for a while then

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mzb:

I'm planning to move from trunk to 0.22 branch when it's available

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mzb:

(WAF)

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sphery:

yeah, 0.22-fixes is the way to go

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Josh__:

mzb, same here

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sphery:

unless you're just running myth for the pain

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Josh__:

helping bug testing int he meantime

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mzb:

:) ... already in pain :)

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sphery:

yeah, I have 5 systems running -fixes and a single box that I use for development

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sphery:

mzb: but a lot less pain with -fixes :)

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mzb:

yes

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sphery:

trunk now isn't too bad (as long as you realize it's not as stable as -fixes), but once 0.22 is released, the only /good/ reason to run trunk is if you're doing development

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mzb:

reason I want more control over the playlist (whichever method I use) is that I want to be able to browse the collection remotely and enqueue songs to be played

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sphery:

(and I don't consider, "Well, trunk has this cool new feature," a good reason)

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sphery:

mzb: does the MythWeb MythMusic playlist editor allow that

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mzb:

music _videos_ ;)

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sphery:

there's a chance 0.23 will have a much improved MythMusic

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sphery:

ah, for videos won't work

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sphery:

I hear music and think audio only :)

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mzb:

I tend to avoid audio-only formats these days ;)

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mzb:

up to >1350 clips now :)

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mzb:

my recording/editing/naming/cutting technique is now dead simple

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[yzf600]:

is there a doc online that describes how mythtv goes about filling program guide data?

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[yzf600]:

my college football games have been showing "teams TBA" even today

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mzb:

the only thing that would make it easier is to enter _all_ the cutpoints in a single recording, and then feed it a list of artists/tracks for the corresponding cuts

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[yzf600]:

I just ran a "mythfilldatabase --refresh-all" and it fixed it

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mzb:

... but that's probably just lazy ;)

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sphery:

[yzf600]: mythfilldatabase downloads tomorrow's and +13's listings each day. Therefore, when you downloaded listings yesterday, it got the listings for 2 weeks from then. Since a lot can change in 2 weeks, your data is old until the day before the show.

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mzb:

and yes, I only went to trunk because some "important features" were absent

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sphery:

[yzf600]: so nothing was broken--it just wasn't as up to date as you felt it should be

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[yzf600]:

right

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[yzf600]:

good to know

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[yzf600]:

thanks

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sphery:

[yzf600]: you can fix that by specifying a smaller number of days to retrieve by setting the "mythfilldatabase Arguments" setting to "--max-days 7" (no quotes)

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sphery:

yfwork: if you don't know what you want (up-to-date listings or a lot of listings of wrong data), you can run the dumbfill--I mean smartfill script instead of mythfilldatabsae

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mzb:

heh

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sphery:

though running smartfill, you're downloading a lot more data that Schedules Direct expects

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sphery:

and doing it in a not very nice way

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|rv65_|:

hi

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[yzf600]:

so what does the "find day & find time of find date & time options" setting of mythweb mean? I can't seem to change it to anything other than sunday 12:00

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sphery:

[yzf600]: where are you?

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sphery:

(in MythWeb)

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[yzf600]:

mythweb, under "recording schedule" – details on a existing scheduled recording

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[yzf600]:

it worried me at first, since it sounded like myth would only search for this recording Sunday @ 12

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sphery:

what kind of schedule find in this timeslot every day?

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[yzf600]:

record any time on any channel

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[yzf600]:

title keyword search

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sphery:

and those are the exact words you see?

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[yzf600]:

yep

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sphery:

ahh, so a custom recording rule?

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[yzf600]:

Find Date & Time Options:

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[yzf600]:

Find Day:

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sphery:

yeah, found it once you mentioned it's a custom rule

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sphery:

what version of Myth? 0.21-fixes or trunk?

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[yzf600]:

good question

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sphery:

(can find out by looking at svn revision in output of mythbackend --version)

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[yzf600]:

0.21.0+fixes-21583-openglvdpau2-nv180–0ubuntu0

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sphery:

I'm guessing if you don't know it's 0.21-fixes

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sphery:

ah, that's modified 0.21-fixes

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[yzf600]:

so fixes-fixes or fixes-squared ? ;)

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sphery:

all I can say is that it works fine on my 0.21-fixes (which isn't modified with vdpau and other miscellaneous backports)

[01:34:01]

sphery:

fixes-unstable?

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[yzf600]:

that's probably more accurate – although I haven't had any problems with it

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sphery:

as there's no way that you can call backporting unstable features from trunk to -fixes stable

[01:34:41]

sphery:

or fixed :)

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[yzf600]:

was needing the vdpau stuff to make playback better

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mag0o:

.21-b0rked

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sphery:

yeah... I just don't know anything about what all is in those builds

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[yzf600]:

np

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sphery:

so it could be anything from those patches to a configuration issue on your side

[01:35:32]

sphery:

but, on the bright side, 0.22 is quickly approaching

[01:35:40]

sphery:

then you can go back to running actual stable code

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sphery:

Josh__: can you redo that backtrace but this type type "thread apply all bt full" into gdb (no quotes)

[01:37:14]

Josh__:

sphery, sure

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[yzf600]:

sphery: would that --max-days 7 argument be something I have to change by running mythtv-setup ?

[01:38:22]

sphery:

Josh__: also, it's giving, "/home/fuxxy/gdbcommands:9: Error in sourced command file: No registers." where I'll bet line 9 is the one that's /supposed/ to say "thread apply all bt full", but I'll bet you have a typo in there

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Josh__:

ahh, let me check.

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Josh__:

that line is blank, it may be a typo

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sphery:

[yzf600]: it's in mythfrontend settings under the main General Settings

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[yzf600]:

cool

[01:39:34]

sphery:

[yzf600]: Utilities/Setup|Setup|General Settings, IIRC

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sphery:

last page

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[yzf600]:

one more q: is there a way to force myth to re-scan and look for programs to record?

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sphery:

yfwork: if automatically reschedules recordings whenever something changes that could cause a change to what actually records

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sphery:

[yzf600]: er ^^^ that was for you (sorry yf work)

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[yzf600]:

np

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sphery:

[yzf600]: so you shouldn't need to forcibly reschedule, but can do so by running mythbackend --resched

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sphery:

I don't recommend doing that, though--if something is causing you to have to run that, fix whatever is broken... :)

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Josh__:

sphery, gdb backtrace updated. It was a typo in gdbcommands.

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sphery:

thx

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[yzf600]:

sphery: After doing the mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, I wanted to see myth schedule my recording now that the keyword is in the listing guide data

[01:42:57]

** sphery forgot that plugins builds strip debug symbols... :( **

[01:43:30]

sphery:

[yzf600]: mythfilldatabase actually reruns the scheduler for you (as that is something that can affect what records)

[01:43:31]

[yzf600]:

I have a title search for "auburn" and was wanting to make sure it found my game this weekend @ 7:45EDT on ESPN2

[01:43:42]

[yzf600]:

ah

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sphery:

Josh__: that backtrace looks /much/ better. Thanks.

[01:44:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: couldn't he force a reschedule with "mythbackend --resched" ?

[01:45:03]

Josh__:

sphery, thanks for telling me it was fubarred. I also updated the bug with a clarification of how to make it happen.

[01:46:14]

[yzf600]:

Hmm, my custom recording schdule (title search for Auburn) is still not showing anything in the upcoming recordings tab

[01:46:57]

[yzf600]:

Should the "Auburn" be in the "Title" or "Search Phrase" box?

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I told him he could, but if he needs to, something is broken.

[01:49:06]

sphery:

i.e. there should /never/ be a case when a user needs to manually force a reschedule.

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[yzf600]:

good to know

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sphery:

the only time it would be required is if someone is hacking hte DB directly

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sphery:

which is not supported.

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sphery:

[yzf600]: my recommendation is for your first search-type rule, you use mythfrontend to create the rule (Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings, then choose whichever you like)

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sphery:

[yzf600]: then, you can look in MythWeb at that rule to see how it is (properly :) configured

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sphery:

then, you'll know how to do it next time

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[yzf600]:

ok

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[yzf600]:

thanks

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AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: that scenario already happens if there are files in the "television" folder

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sphery:

[yzf600]: BTW, that's my long-winded way of saying, "I don't know."

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AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: personally I'd like to be able to optionally set/override metadata for a folder object, but that would be a more significant change

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sphery:

AndrewNC: I think he has that type of thing planned, but is waiting on (some rather invasive) changes to the Storage Groups functionality so he can do it right rather than as a hack

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AndrewNC:

sphery: jumped conv over to dev #

[02:00:15]

sphery:

"that type of thing" being what you mentioned here--directory overrides, not what you mention in dev channel

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Josh__:

sphery, I still havent been able to get *any* videos loaded in to mythvideo. Neither by using SG's nor by specifying a single folder in mythfrontend's "Videos" settings.

[02:12:14]

mzb:

how often does the backend check for jobs?

[02:12:22]

[yzf600]:

wow – power searches rock

[02:13:46]

[yzf600]:

program.title = 'College Football' AND program.subtitle REGEXP '(Auburn|LSU)' AND program.first > 0

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[yzf600]:

thanks for all your help sphery

[02:15:03]

sphery:

[yzf600]: Yeah! Power to the searches!!!

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sphery:

I love power searches.

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[yzf600]:

I wish I had more digital content than just local OTA channels

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mzb:

*she* loves %Netball% ... yep, power search == high WAF ;)

[02:15:49]

[yzf600]:

Bring on the cable card tuners for PCs!

[02:16:33]

sphery:

mzb: "Job Queue Check frequency (in seconds)" (in mythtv-setup)--by default 60

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wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: yeah.... see how far that gets you on linux

[02:16:37]

[yzf600]:

Actually, I wish I could stream HD content straight from the intertubes, but that is a whole different problem to solve

[02:16:43]

[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: I know

[02:16:54]

[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: just wishful thinking

[02:16:54]

wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: check out mirobridge

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mzb:

sphery, seems to be a lot longer ... maybe I'm operating in my own personal time warp ;)

[02:17:25]

sphery:

[yzf600]: but check out mirobridge after upgrading to 0.22 (when released :)

[02:17:47]

[yzf600]:

thanks

[02:17:58]

sphery:

mzb: it's that long--though if you're just sticking stuff in a table and expecting it to work, you'll wait a lot longer unless you did everything exactly right (which people almost never do)

[02:18:14]

[yzf600]:

gotta now go enjoy the tings my mythTV has recorded for me

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sphery:

mzb: also, if you have a job wedged, the queue in which it's wedged will hang forever

[02:18:46]

mzb:

yes, remember that one

[02:18:53]

Josh__:

sigh, and my 0.21 install didn't record last night's "Robot Chicken", and I can't figure out why.

[02:18:59]

wagnerrp:

wedged?

[02:19:29]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I've had mythcommflag jobs run for weeks because of a bad section in the video

[02:19:29]

mzb:

it's a user job where I'm inserting my cutpoints, renaming the recording, running the user job (which cuts, copies and names the music video)

[02:19:39]

mzb:

while it runs I set the points for the next one

[02:19:54]

mzb:

it's quicker to run manually, but it's nice to be able to do it in the FE ;)

[02:20:01]

sphery:

(always fun to kill that process then let the backend chug for a week trying to catch up :)

[02:20:18]

mzb:

nice if I could force the job check ... or something

[02:20:43]

wagnerrp:

obviously before you had a backend capable of running it in realtime

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mzb:

I'm a little concerned about "invalid dts/pts combination" during the mythtranscode ... anything to worry about?

[02:21:33]

sphery:

just means that someone sent you garbage

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sphery:

fortunately, the ffmpeg stuff is designed to deal with a lot of garbage and myth's mods to it allow it to deal with real-world TV garbage

[02:22:07]

mzb:

err ... no ... I've demuxed/remuxed a video (that I recorded) that refuses to transcode

[02:22:17]

sphery:

ah, then I don't know

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sphery:

quite possibly it's encoded badly

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mzb:

hmm .. ok ... logs get flooded with the warnings ... any chance of quiet?

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mzb:

I've just modified the script in an attempt to grep it out

[02:25:21]

mzb:

btw: how do I get my user script to return "valid" as the BE sees it?

[02:25:29]

mzb:

(from a bash script)

[02:26:03]

mzb:

it exits normally (and successfully afaik) but the BE thinks it's errored

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sphery:

best info I could give is a link to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

nothing about exit status ... not to worry

[02:28:15]

sphery:

yeah, probably have to look at the examples there

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mzb:

except for "1"

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mzb:

(python example)

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mzb:

which is false for bash environment :|

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wagnerrp:

exit 0?

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sphery:

looks like for User Jobs, 0 is the only one that's interpreted

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mzb:

that is the default

[02:30:43]

sphery:

(no error)

[02:30:46]

mzb:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Cutting_Music_Videos

[02:30:59]

mzb:

^^ which is *me*! ... heh ... forgot I put it in ;)

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sphery:

mzb: not the default if the last command in your script fails

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sphery:

i.e. the default is whatever is last

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mzb:

hmm ... yeah

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clever:

mzb: does the script end with grep?

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sphery:

or the grep in your pipe filtering the log

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mzb:

no

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clever:

if the grep fails, the final return code may be non-zero

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mzb:

there was an extraneous "shift" that might have complicated things ... I'll add some logic

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sphery:

( do_stuff 2>&1 | grep -v garbage && exit $PIPESTATUS )

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sphery:

(assuming bash--don't know how portable PIPESTATUS is)

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clever:

i thought PIPESTATUS was an array

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mzb:

cd "$OUTDIR" &&

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mzb:

$EXEC 2>&1 | egrep -v "invalid dts/pts combination" &&

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mzb:

$NICE mv "$TMPFILE" "$OUTFILE" &&

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mzb:

SUCCESS=true

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clever:

feels like it would return the exit status of mv

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sphery:

mzb: yeah, the egrep needs to be fixed to use PIPESTATUS

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sphery:

otherwise the && isn't doing what you want

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mzb:

but it only gets to mv if the preceeding steps are true. ref "&&"

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sphery:

no, it doesn't

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sphery:

it only does if the egrep is true

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sphery:

which you don't care about, you care about $EXEC being true

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sphery:

/successful

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squidly:

can someone explain what "GetNextFreeFrame() served a busy frame D. Dropping. UuUUUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUL" means

[02:41:12]

mzb:

hmm

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squidly:

xine plaes the video fine. MythVideo pixilates it with those errors

[02:41:26]

mzb:

wrap the whole thing in a subshell ;)

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sphery:

clever: it is an array, so returning the value of $PIPESTATUS returns the value of ${PIPESTATUS[0]}, which is what we want...

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clever:

ahh, didnt know it would default to index 0 like that

[02:44:20]

clever:

i havent used arrays much in bash, that kind of thing usualy returns the whole array

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mzb:

err, so you'd expect something like this to work? : true | egrep -v "rubbish" && $PIPESTATUS[0] && echo yes

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mzb:

(it doesn't)

[02:45:07]

mzb:

doh

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sphery:

mzb: no, you need the same syntax I used...

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sphery:

with the subshell and the exit

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sphery:

( do_stuff 2>&1 | grep -v garbage && exit $PIPESTATUS )

[02:45:27]

sphery:

parens for subshell

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mzb:

forget the &&

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mzb:

s/&&/;

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mzb:

( true 2>&1 | grep -v garbage; exit $PIPESTATUS ) && echo yes

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mzb:

works

[02:46:51]

mzb:

thanks sphery

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wagnerrp:

so... you think they changed the cipher for the new season of fringe?

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sphery:

ah, yeah, && before exit would kill it

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sphery:

if the grep fails

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Josh__:

Is this a generic error message, or mabye i have something misconfigured? 2009-09–17 21:46:07.665 VDPAU Error: DISPLAY PRE-EMPTED. Aborting playback.

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Josh__:

I've never set up and used VDPAU before.

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[R]:

Josh__: its a fact of life with vdpau

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sphery:

it's a known issue with vdpau

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sphery:

some drivers do better than others

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Josh__:

aha

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Josh__:

okay, no biggie then.

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wagnerrp:

well the end of fringe was disappointing

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Josh__:

yes it was.

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Josh__:

2009-09–17 21:52:21.363 VidOutVDPAU Error: Failed to initialise VDPAU

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Josh__:

2009-09–17 21:52:21.402 VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available.

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Josh__:

codec 'H.264' makes 'xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' available, using 'xv-blit' instead.

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mzb:

hmm ... I add the job at 0:01:00 (say). Then, prior to 0:02:00 the job has been queued, but when does the queue get checked? ... still waiting! (a couple of minutes on)

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mzb:

nope, started now

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mzb:

... long delay

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Dagmar:

Thank god someone at Fox has a clue

[03:00:39]

Dagmar:

What I was reading was that it was supposed to start *tomorrow* night

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Dagmar:

...so I didnt'g et it recorded

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clever:

Dagmar: schedulesdirect knew it was tonight

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clever:

recorded automaticaly

[03:02:20]

Dagmar:

So what

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clever:

yours should have also, enless the rule was deleted

[03:02:45]

Dagmar:

Learn to read.

[03:02:47]

mzb:

anybody around with experience/knowledge of the Philips Ambilight LCD's ? ... I'm interested in the 42pfl9603D/10

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Dagmar:

I set the schedule for it to record tomorrow night _weeks_ ago.

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Dagmar:

...because I had read THEN that it was airing tomorrow night.

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clever:

i set mine to just blindly record any fringe episode

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sphery:

wagnerrp: "end of fringe" means end of the episode, not end of series, right?

[03:04:22]

Dagmar:

They have an ep scheduled for next week, so probably just the end of the episode

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wagnerrp:

correct, last couple seconds of tonights episode

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wagnerrp:

lead in to the rest of the season that i didnt like

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sphery:

oh, good... don't want fringe to die

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sphery:

Dagmar: and, yeah, someone at Fox has a clue... WARNING: NSFW – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdnXYWSa56w

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Dagmar:

That was sarcasm actually

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wagnerrp:

WHAT?

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Dagmar:

If you try to watch the full episode of tonight's show on their site, they have LINKS that say it's the full episode, but lal you see is a two minute teaser.

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wagnerrp:

how did that get passed the censors?

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Dagmar:

They're fuckin' morons

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wagnerrp:

do they just assume their anchors will be professional enough not to do such things?

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sphery:

good question

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Dagmar:

yes.

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Dagmar:

Typically they'll slap the person who slipped up with the pink ticket if hte FCC gets mad

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sphery:

wagnerrp: he's the same guy who did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTd0t-Pxck

[03:09:26]

sphery:

also NSFW

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wagnerrp:

see, now there the woman laughs, as if it were a simple slip of the tongue

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sphery:

wagnerrp: some have said he was trying to say, "Keep plucking that chicken," to imply he's doing a difficult job, but IME, that's not a very common expression

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wagnerrp:

the last one.... she has an absolutely stunned look on her face... 'did he just say that?'

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sphery:

gotta admit that the expressions of the other 2 people on the first one are quite amusing

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, her look may be saying, 'i just farted and something came out'

[03:12:22]

sphery:

she's got a look of "Oh, no, what did he say?" and the weather guy has a look of, "What's that supposed to mean?"

[03:12:39]

sphery:

guess your interpretation is possible, too

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wagnerrp:

well the 'thanks for staying up with us' was an enjoyable, unintended pun

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i wish i could hear what they were saying as they faded to black

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzKro5SbEo

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wagnerrp:

apparently murder and mutilation is a laughing matter

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sphery:

gotta wonder what was going on to make her laugh

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poodyp_:

I was chuckling at the picture of the guy when it first came on

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JohnP789:

I'm having trouble my USB DVB (ATSC) recordings. Mythtv records shows from it just fine for several days, then it thinks it's recording programs, but no file is created.

[03:27:14]

JohnP789:

The only way I've found to fix it is to reboot.

[03:27:28]

JohnP789:

I have a Hauppauge HVR-950.

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wagnerrp:

that was last night's news cast, and it already has a quarter million views?

[03:29:22]

sphery:

JohnP789: that happens when something at the driver/card level goes wrong

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sphery:

I have one capture card that tends to do it once every few weeks or so

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JohnP789:

sphery: Yeah, I'm not sure where to go for help.

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JohnP789:

sphery: I'm hunting through the linuxtv.org stuff.

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sphery:

I'd say with that one--a new one, whose drivers are new--your best bet is to keep updating drivers and hoping for the best

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JohnP789:

sphery: OK, I haven't updated that machine in a while.

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JohnP789:

2.6.27-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Aug 18 16:25:45 UTC 2009

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JohnP789:

I guess that kernel's not _too_ old.

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sphery:

JohnP789: oh, but be careful if you're updating drivers by updating kernel because there are reports of instabilities on very new kernels (2.6.31 or maybe a high 2.6.30's)

[03:37:23]

JohnP789:

Would this thing in dmesg be relevant?

[03:37:24]

JohnP789:

[867168.934739] mythbackend: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0x0

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sphery:

and keep checking back to see if you can find someone who's actually using that card

[03:37:53]

sphery:

or send an e-mail to the mythtv-users list

[03:38:05]

sphery:

they'd know better than me how stable it should be

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clever:

JohnP789: that error doesnt sound good

[03:39:00]

JohnP789:

clever: nope. I just noticed it. Yuck.

[03:39:11]

sphery:

JohnP789: how much ram do you have?

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JohnP789:

clever: 1GB

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JohnP789:

[433596.062812] mythfilldatabas[30690]: segfault at 0 ip 09c6f8bb sp b542a80c er

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JohnP789:

ror 6

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clever:

feels like its either running out of ram(cant swap fast enough) or a programing fault

[03:39:45]

sphery:

the mythbackend crash was probably in preview generation, so not a big deal

[03:39:54]

sphery:

(and happens with bad video)

[03:39:56]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has no facility for concatenating recordings does it?

[03:40:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nope

[03:40:13]

wagnerrp:

i guess i can do it manually

[03:40:27]

wagnerrp:

...need to pull the beginning of one show off the end of another

[03:40:37]

JohnP789:

sphery: The stack trace shows several dvb-related functions.

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clever:

JohnP789: mm/page_alloc.c, line 1664

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JohnP789:

[867168.934889] [<fa69183d>] start_feed+0x9d/0xb0 [em28xx_dvb]

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clever:

printk(KERN_WARNING "%s: page allocation failure." " order:%d, mode:0x%x\n", p->comm, order, gfp_mask);

[03:41:44]

clever:

within struct page * __alloc_pages_internal(gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order, ...

[03:41:50]

clever:

* This is the 'heart' of the zoned buddy allocator.

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sphery:

JohnP789: oh, also, make sure you enable swap

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JohnP789:

clever: I'm intrigued. What's the zoned buddy allocator?

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clever:

JohnP789: not shure exactly, but this is the raw kernel source

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JohnP789:

[867168.935144] Free swap = 639796kB

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sphery:

JohnP789: well, I assumed it wasn't the real mythbackend that crashed as you should have noticed that

[03:43:31]

JohnP789:

sphery: Unless it's respawned, it's running without me restarting it, so I guess it didn't crash.

[03:43:52]

clever:

JohnP789: http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/mm/page_alloc.c#L1069

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JohnP789:

sphery: Restarting the backend doesn't bring back recording, though. It seems like I have to reboot the machine.

[03:44:25]

sphery:

it is possible that your system is set up to keep restarting mythbackend when it crashes

[03:46:04]

clever:

JohnP789: can you stick the full error from dmesg on a pastebin?

[03:46:10]

JohnP789:

The first sign of trouble in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log is this:

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JohnP789:

2009-09–17 14:30:47.670 DVBChan(5:0) Error: SetChannelByString(4_2): Multiplex i

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JohnP789:

s not available

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JohnP789:

2009-09–17 14:30:47.672 TVRec(5) Error: Failed to set channel to 4_2. Reverting

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JohnP789:

to kState_None

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sphery:

still pointing to card/driver failure

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clever:

it may not need a full system restart either, posibly just a reload of the driver module

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JohnP789:

http://pastebin.ca/1570434

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JohnP789:

That's my dmesg output.

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JohnP789:

clever: I'd like to learn how to do that. lsmod shows a lot of inter-related modules loaded by this thing.

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clever:

what i sometimes do, is just run rmmod on all of them at once, like 'rmmod a b c d e f'

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clever:

half of them may fail, but the ones that do unload will solve the problem, and i can just run it a few more times

[03:51:27]

clever:

then just 'modprove -v foo' each one till they are all back

[03:52:02]

clever:

is this a usb based capture device?

[03:53:24]

clever:

and mythfilldatabase is segfaulting an auful lot there...

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JohnP789:

Yes, this is USB.

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JohnP789:

mythfilldatabase is totally wonky.

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mchou:

holy crap

[03:54:33]

JohnP789:

It sets program descriptions to the wrong programs.

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mchou:

JohnP789: your system is totally screwed up

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clever:

JohnP789: looks like 'em28xx_dvb' and 'em28xx' are the 2 modules for your card

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sphery:

JohnP789: sounds like you've enabled EIT on channels for which you're using Schedules Direct/XMLTV

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mchou:

JohnP789: line 755

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clever:

but from what mchou and i are seeing, there may be other problems

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sphery:

JohnP789: you can't have EIT enabled on those channels

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sphery:

JohnP789: and if you're in the US and using Schedules Direct, you proabably want to disable EIT

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mchou:

that's likely to be root cause of page allocation failure

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mchou:

if ata bus disconnects all bets are off

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sphery:

JohnP789: and if you do, your system may actually start working right--including no longer giving you card usage errors

[03:56:27]

JohnP789:

I never noticed that.

[03:57:23]

JohnP789:

Mythtv isn't running from /dev/sdc, though.

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mchou:

anyway, you need to resolve your ata problems first

[03:57:38]

mchou:

that hardly matters

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clever:

JohnP789: what is on there?

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sphery:

JohnP789: fix the EIT thing and it may fix the other myth problems

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JohnP789:

sphery: Will do, thanks!

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mchou:

ata bus disconnects cause lots of kernel stalling

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sphery:

(but not other problems that the others are helping with :)

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JohnP789:

clever: It's half of a RAID1 LVM setup.

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clever:

JohnP789: and is any part of your swap/recordings/myth stored ontop of that?

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JohnP789:

clever: Nope.

[03:59:04]

clever:

still needs to be fixed

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JohnP789:

clever: It's just an extra filesystem I use (ironically) for storing backups of other machines.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

do not even use that as back up

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JohnP789:

Funny that I don't see any filesystem errors emitted from that.

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clever:

linux usualy doesnt give up very easily, and may retry until it recovers

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mchou:

the file system doesnt figure out HW errors

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clever:

where as windows will bluescreen if there are any bad sectors durring bootup

[04:02:08]

clever:

and if i mirror the disk, and leave those sectors unfixed, it boots without a problem

[04:02:24]

mchou:

that's like saying your raid is OK even if you have bad firmware on the raid controller

[04:02:26]

clever:

io error==bluescreen, missing data==no problem...

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JohnP789:

ata.wiki.kernel.org says "ATA bus error" means a "chip<->device bus error".

[04:04:01]

JohnP789:

Internal to this Seagate drive, then?

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clever:

ive had similar problems when my sata controler was sharing an irq

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clever:

all hell broke loose, it even somehow screwed with the clock and made it 20mins late

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JohnP789:

Interface CRC error during Ultra DMA transfer – often either a bad cable or power problem, though possibly an incorrect Ultra DMA mode setting by the driver

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mchou:

what drives are on ata5?

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JohnP789:

mchou: Not sure what you mean by what drives?

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mchou:

what drive models

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JohnP789:

How can I tell? It's a Seagate 640GB drive.

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mchou:

hdparm -I

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JohnP789:

ST3640323AS

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JohnP789:

I'm assuming ata5 and sdc are the same drive.

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mchou:

you beeter check you sata 1.5 jumper

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mchou:

your*

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JohnP789:

mchou: Will do.

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JohnP789:

I'm about to move this drive and it's RAID1 mirror to a different machine, anyway.

[04:15:08]

JohnP789:

Thanks for all the help. I never would have noticed this ata stuff. My dmesg on this machine has been filled with apic errors until I started booting with noapic last week.

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JohnP789:

(eek!)

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JohnP789:

Time to go to bed. Work tomorrow.

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JohnP789:

Thanks a lot everybody!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Fox might let Joss do things his way: http://www.tv.com/story/18134.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

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wagnerrp:

so Valve seems to like Yatzee... i wonder if theyll ship him a special copy of L4D2, considering it just got refused a rating in Australia

[04:42:38]

wagnerrp:

(Yatzee being the Zero Punctuation guy)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, sweeeeeeeet

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wagnerrp:

im a bit surprised those NAS boxes dont support NFS

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oobe:

iamlindoro, i just read what u said in response to jump points not working while deep in mythvideo and i checked key bindings they are all ok but noticed you said you could reproduce using a non listing view i use gallery by default and i tried listings and it worked ok

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oobe:

also i noticed video listings wont remember my last position event though i have video tree remembers last selected position

[05:08:40]

oobe:

sphery, i sorry about this morning i took what you said the wrong way

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sphery:

oobe: I wasn't offended. And I'm sure I could have found another way to say that was a pretty vague question.

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oobe:

its strange i upgraded yesterday so it has all my old prefences from .21 and jump points work but not from deep in a mythvideo menu

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oobe:

i remember hearing someone talking about that before

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oobe:

i use gallery so i assume it it just with gallery

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sphery:

I hadn't heard any mention of it, and now it seems that the right people know about it

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sphery:

I'm sure it will be fixed soon enough

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wagnerrp:

yeah, jumppoints have not worked properly for at least the last several months

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wagnerrp:

for as long as ive tried using them

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wagnerrp:

does anyone make a case that can be VESA mounted on both sides?

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wagnerrp:

such that you can mount it to a monitor, and then the whole unit can be attached to a standard VESA mount

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cerasus:

hi

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cerasus:

I just upgraded to .31 and the new xc5000, freaking awsome

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cerasus:

I have the following question I am running at 1000MHz, underclocked Athlon x2 that's capable of 2.6GHz

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cerasus:

playing tv does'nt have a performance penalty interestingly

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wagnerrp:

thats because its not underclocked

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wagnerrp:

it is temporarily scaled back

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Dagmar:

You're not using the ondemand powersave module, why?

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wagnerrp:

as soon as you start using >80% CPU, it cranks the speed back up

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wagnerrp:

so during playback, you might be running 1.8GHz

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cerasus:

because hell'uv noisy although I can tweak I haven't so far. So only for compiling I max it out

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wagnerrp:

why not get a better heatsink, or a larger/slower fan?

[05:24:39]

wagnerrp:

you obviously have an aftermarket heatsink

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cerasus:

my question is the following, what to look for when buying a card?

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wagnerrp:

because the ones AMD has been shipping for the entire A64 line are fairly quiet

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cerasus:

wagnerrp: it's on my wishlist

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wagnerrp:

quiet enough youre not going to hear it over a TV

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wagnerrp:

except for maybe the new 140W Phenoms, those might have an excessive, loud fan

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wagnerrp:

havent tested any of those personally

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squidly:

wagnerrp: from what I hear they are not that loud

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squidly:

but the people using them work them as a normal desktop

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cerasus:

well is quite shocking how smooth an athlon x2 at 1000MHz runs, with kde, compiz, the cube thingy, two webcams etc.

[05:28:50]

wagnerrp:

compiz and the cube thingy are run off the video card, not the CPU

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wagnerrp:

and generally, mythtv does not play nice with any of that stuff

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wagnerrp:

not to mention you would only ever use that stuff on a desktop, not something connected to a tv

[05:29:37]

wagnerrp:

usually on such systems, a louder fan is acceptable

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cerasus:

what's a better card than a pinnacle i800 HDTV??

[05:32:32]

wagnerrp:

anyway, as to why you can play myth content with it... what specifically is the content you want to play?

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cerasus:

I don't know if anything more technological is required to tune digital/analog

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RyeBrye:

more importantly, why do you have two webcams and the compiz cube thingy. what kind of business are you running :O

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wagnerrp:

a 1GHz A64 is going to be straining to push full bitrate ATSC

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wagnerrp:

luckily youve got the extra core to do deint and other tasks

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cerasus:

just messing around, I just installed 2.6.31

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wagnerrp:

but youre probably close to the limit of capacity at that speed

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RyeBrye:

nobody here has played around with BFS in their myth systems have they?

[05:34:44]

wagnerrp:

BtrFS?

[05:35:08]

RyeBrye:

the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

anyway, like Dagmar said, you should really be using the online clocking capability, rather than doing it in the BIOS as you seem to be

[05:35:45]

RyeBrye:

yeah, ondemand is pretty good

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wagnerrp:

let the processor run at the speed it wants to

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wagnerrp:

and for most tasks, you will still remain at that 1GHz mark

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cerasus:

mm... yes 1000MHz not good for ATSC

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wagnerrp:

if you are running the stock amd heatsink, and you still think it is too loud

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wagnerrp:

try going into the BIOS, and stepping the speed back

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RyeBrye:

don't set explicity clock speeds in the bios – use the ondemand frequency governor like he said

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wagnerrp:

most motherboard usually have the ability to use PWM to control connected fans

[05:37:44]

wagnerrp:

if not, you can always just do a quick mod to drop it to 7V

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RyeBrye:

drop the fan to 7v?

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wagnerrp:

takes nothing more than a molex/fan adapter, and some splicing

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: instead of running the fan between the 12V and ground lines

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cerasus:

mm.. I'll get a new bigger heatsink with a huge fan.

[05:38:33]

wagnerrp:

you run it between the 12V and 5V lines

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wagnerrp:

7V, half the speed, a quarter the power

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RyeBrye:

you can get one of those fan controller things too that is basically an inline resister thing

[05:39:09]

RyeBrye:

the zalman cooler I had came with one

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: this is basically a $0.10 and 5 minute fan contoller

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RyeBrye:

true

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wagnerrp:

just as easily, you can drop it to 5V

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wagnerrp:

although some fans can struggle to run at that low voltage

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cerasus:

any pci cards better than pinnacle i800?

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wagnerrp:

proper fan controllers are not a resister, but a proper PWM controller

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RyeBrye:

I think this one isn't proper

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wagnerrp:

that runs at a full 12V, but a duty cycle <100%

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RyeBrye:

Oh, maybe it is

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hondo:

How is deinterlacing activated in Mythbuntu Jaunty?

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wagnerrp:

cerasus: a digital stream is a digital stream

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cerasus:

I got PWM in my bios

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wagnerrp:

so long as your received strength isnt so low as to be dropping data, the quality will be exactly the same

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RyeBrye:

hondo: mythtv -> settings -> playback I think somwhere in there under playback profiles, you edit a setting for a particular resolution and then on the second page there are de-interlacing settings

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cerasus:

wagnerrp: meaning?

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hondo:

RyeBrye, thanks

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wagnerrp:

meaning for QAM, your choice of card is irrelevant (aside from linux compatibility)

[05:43:25]

RyeBrye:

hondo: the deinterlacing options depend upon what's on the previous page. (i.e. vdpau has different deinterlacers than ffmpeg )

[05:43:45]

wagnerrp:

for ATSC, there are some other factors

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cerasus:

ATSC is cable?

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wagnerrp:

some tuners handle low levels signals better, others are better at filtering multipath

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wagnerrp:

QAM = cable, ATSC = broadcast

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wagnerrp:

supposedly the xc5000 is one of the better tuners

[05:45:52]

wagnerrp:

but for the most part, trying to find the 'best quality tuner' on the internet is going to get you nothing more than a bunch of hearsay and conjecture

[05:46:22]

wagnerrp:

everyone is going to have their favorite, and hardly anyone is going to have any idea what theyre talking about

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cerasus:

good then

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cerasus:

I've read ivtv are supposed to be the ...

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wagnerrp:

are analog

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wagnerrp:

have absolutely nothing to do with the aforementioned 800i

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wagnerrp:

or digital tuning in general

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cerasus:

you are right though, digital stream is a digital stream. A better card would only have extra features.

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wagnerrp:

no, a better card would have a better tuner

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wagnerrp:

however for QAM, that doesnt matter

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wagnerrp:

and for ATSC, youre going to have a tough time figuring out what is a 'better' tuner

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cerasus:

umm..

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wagnerrp:

because on the internets, skippy over there who took a dremel to his new PCIe graphics card so it would fit in his AGP slot considers himself a knowledgeable user

[05:54:21]

wagnerrp:

what extra features would you put on a card anyway?

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Dagmar:

Cool leds

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wagnerrp:

as far as mythtv is concerned, you have a digital tuner, you have an analog mpeg tuner, and you have multiple of each on one card

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cerasus:

PIP, h.246 etc

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wagnerrp:

not a whole lot of room for variety

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wagnerrp:

there is no tuner capable of 'picture-in-picture'

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cerasus:

so should I get another pinnacle 800i?

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Dagmar:

Nor would there be much point

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wagnerrp:

they call those 'dual tuners', and its up to the playback device to do PIP

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hondo:

RyeBrye, I'm using a really old FX5200 XvMC / Bob is my old standby

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wagnerrp:

similarly, i know of no tuner capable of h.264

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wagnerrp:

a digital tuner with an encoder chip would just be foolish

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RyeBrye:

well, not a tuner – but there are capture cards that take analog signals and turn them into h.264

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wagnerrp:

and analog tuners are typically mpeg2, with the occasional mjpeg, or maybe mpeg4asp

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wagnerrp:

i know of no tuner with an h.264 encoder

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR has one, but it is not a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

nearly all tuners claiming that they can record to something other than mpeg2 are framegrabbers

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cerasus:

that's the one I was thinking about

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wagnerrp:

and their 'encoding' capability is really just a software encoder that ships with the card

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RyeBrye:

you could probably glue it onto a blank PCI card and slot it in your machine if you had enough room and you could CALL the hd-pvr a card

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: i believe iamlindoro did such a thing

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RyeBrye:

he's earned the right to be eccentric

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cerasus:

newegg no longer has the pinnacle 800i

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wagnerrp:

almost no one has the pinnacle 800i

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wagnerrp:

its been hard to get them for almost a year now

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cerasus:

wow, I acted quickly then :)

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hondo:

RyeBrye, OSD is not grayed-out. Is XVMC on?

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wagnerrp:

you either find them retail at $70-$80, or you find a special deal for <$30 (like woot)

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RyeBrye:

I haven't used xvmc in a long time.

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wagnerrp:

hondo: what processor do you have?

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hondo:

wagnerrp, AMD 64 Athlon ~3500

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wagnerrp:

you should not be using XvMC

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hondo:

wagnerrp, even when I capture me OTA HD?

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wagnerrp:

even when you do OTA HD

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wagnerrp:

that processor is fully capable of decoding and deinterlacing anything broadcast on ATSC

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hondo:

wagnerrp, I can't VDPAU can I? Just use the processor?

[06:02:54]

wagnerrp:

meaning XvMC is both unnecessary, and undesirably limiting

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hondo:

wagnerrp, oops missed your post on processor

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: here we go... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally

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jst_home_:

wagnerrp: nice! :)

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jst_home_:

I should mount mine inside the directv receiver :)

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wagnerrp:

do you own your directv receiver?

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jst_home_:

I do

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wagnerrp:

thought those were usually leased....

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RyeBrye:

that's Dish

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wagnerrp:

make sure you have enough ventilation in there, apparently the HDPVR can put off a fair amount of heat

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RyeBrye:

in Dish "all our receievers are belong to us". but directv typically you buy your own.

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RyeBrye:

(or you used to at least, not sure how they do it now)

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RyeBrye:

I'll mount mine inside my Apple TV

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RyeBrye:

;)

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jst_home_:

RyeBrye: yeah, but even with directv they charge a monthly "lease fee" if you buy the receiver from them

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jst_home_:

I don't know for a fact, but I doubt they charge that fee for a receiver you already own

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jst_home_:

and got through other means than through them

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RyeBrye:

that's not for the LNBs?

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RyeBrye:

but for each receiver you have?

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jst_home_:

I believe so

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RyeBrye:

I had them for a while with a direcTivo and I paid the tivo fee but I didn't pay a lease fee

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jst_home_:

at least if I'd add a receiver (thought their website), they'd charge me $5 per month to have it, in addition to the bump in the pricing of their service, and that's with no changes to the dish or lnb's

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hondo:

VDPAU ready for primetime?

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU has been available in a release form for several months

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wagnerrp:

just waiting for mainline support in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

trunk has supported it in some form or another since late last november

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hondo:

wagnerrp, you are waiting till 0.22 to use it?

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hondo:

Not certain what you mean by mainline support

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wagnerrp:

ive been using it since mid last december

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wagnerrp:

i mean no released version of mythtv has support for vdpau

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hondo:

aah

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wagnerrp:

right now, it is only available in developmental version

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RyeBrye:

I think I'm going to blow some people's minds this weekend... I have a group of friends coming over to watch a college football game – and we are going to project it outside. They kept asking me how I was going to connect my DVR to the projector and I explained a few times how my DVR is network enabled and my laptop can effectively become another DVR – so I'll just wirelessly connect to my network and connect my laptop to the projector

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RyeBrye:

The other options they suggested were to watch the game in two halves a few hours after it started by having someone record it and physically bring a DVR with it recorded somwhere else and plug it in

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MarcT:

If you have an ION then you get playback pauses in VDPAU, but they are working on it.

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hondo:

Still curious. if xvmc is on, will the OSD be grayscale

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hondo:

?

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MarcT:

vdpau does not support xvmc

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MarcT:

OSD in vdpau is on color thou if thats what you were wondering

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hondo:

MarcT, I'm using a FX 5200. no VDPAU for me.

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MarcT:

ah

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MarcT:

I originally had a 5700

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sphery:

if you don't absolutely /need/ XvMC, don't use it

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sphery:

if you need it, think about changing the system so you don't need it :)

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hondo:

sphery, I'm helping at an MythTV InstallFest. You gotta know someones gonna bring in a Pentium III and FX 5***

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MarcT:

hondo xvmc is needed on the pre 8000 cards only to offload some of the playback. But if your CPU is powerfull enough you can go without it on HD..

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MarcT:

oh.. lol

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MarcT:

never mind then

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hondo:

So I'm trying to figure out if it is on or not

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Er1K:

Anybody who keeps up with the semi-bleeding-edge mercurial repository for v4l-dvb (linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb).... Beware, digital (qam/atsc) functionality at least for s5h1409 seems dead as a doornail (hvr1800 on 2.6.31–8 on ia32).

[06:30:14]

MarcT:

if xvmc is on then yes you have greyscale osd issues

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hondo:

MarcT, thanks

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Er1K:

If it stays that way, yes, I'll narrow down what changeset broke it and shoot it on the mailing list....this is more of a friendly heads-up :) (e.g. if you are scratching your head pondering "why did my qam just break?"...you aren't alone :)

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MarcT:

which is why you might want to consider setting up a playback profile. one that worked for me with the 5700 and my apple tv was to use xv for everything up to 720p and anything higher used xvmc

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sphery:

hondo: oh, forgot about that... couple weeks, still, right?

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MarcT:

Where is it?

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sphery:

Atlanta

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MarcT:

ah.. never mind then, I'm in Mass

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sphery:

http://wiki.freesideatlanta.org/mythtv-instal . . . d-conference

[06:36:41]

sphery:

I'm about twice as close to it as you, but it's still a good 8hr drive for me

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Er1K:

Hondo: I can do you one better.....My 12 year old gets perfectly acceptable SD playback on a P3 with a PCI All-In-Wonder Pro (Rage chipset) driving his TV at (interpolated) 800x600

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MarcT:

My wife is going on a trip that weekend and I'm not on call.. so I could go.. but I think I'll be at home working on the house.. 1 more week and we close.

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Er1K:

Took some tweaking (especially to get the mach64 driver to do tv out without resorting to VESA), but all said and done, the picture quality is as good as it's gonna get for that display, no skip, no jitter

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MarcT:

ok.. time for bed.. I cant seem to sleep but I need to....

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MarcT:

have a online training I'm running in 6 hours

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hondo:

MarcT, ditto

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hondo:

Well to the sleep thing

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MarcT:

LOL

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hondo:

not the online training

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Er1K:

He's getting a new box soon, he's not happy with the (inability) to run emulators for ~>1990 consoles, but slow-a$$, exceptionally obsolete machines make GREAT dedicated mythfrontends if you are only doing standard def

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Er1K:

nighty night

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clever:

ive played SDTV on a 400mhz P2 without problems

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clever:

though its a tad slow for a master backend

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Er1K:

that it is....'unusable' is a better description if that backend is doing software encoding

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clever:

Er1K: pvr150, but the problem isnt recording

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clever:

Er1K: rescheduling takes 30–60 seconds

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Er1K:

ahhhhhh

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clever:

it would be a perfect slave backend, and an ok frontend

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clever:

but for master, its a little too slow

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wagnerrp:

rescheduling only takes 30–60 seconds because you have an absurd number of schedule rules and channels

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clever:

Highest connection count: 2 (1 clients)

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clever:

wrong paste

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clever:

2009-09–18 03:53:58.934 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 490 items in 23.0 = 0.21 match + 22.81 place

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clever:

under 30 sec right now

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Er1K:

Check your "record" table, scheduling stuff with mythweb had a tendency for me to (at one time) create a lot of dupes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got a third that number of items

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clever:

Er1K: 102 rows

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Er1K:

what's your count on recordmatch?

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clever:

770

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clever:

Er1K: 101 of them are from a single rule

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Er1K:

those all seem within reason. Is mysql thrashing? Are you vm thrashing in general? Have you tweaked your key_buffer or query_cache size in my.cnf at all?

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clever:

Er1K: its 100% cpu load for the whole 10–20 seconds

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clever:

2009-09–18 04:02:59.894 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 282 items in 13.3 = 0.11 match + 13.22 place

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Dagmar:

Go ahead. Tell him what type of CPU.

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clever:

cancled the rule for two and a half men, which had 101 entrys in recordmatch

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clever:

Dagmar: thats how the whole convo started:P

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Er1K:

that's improving.....although I am not impressed by your taste in shows :))

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Er1K:

if it's thrashing during the reschedule, you might want to experiment with jacking /proc/sys/vm/swappiness up quite a lot

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Er1K:

clever: massively truncating your program table will usually have a fairly linear effect on scheduler speed (in my experience it did, ymmv). Only keeping a few days of epg information can make a big difference.

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Er1K:

on that note, wifey is getting rather ...annoyed... night y'all

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sphery:

use --max-days=6 or whatever for the mythfilldatabase args

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sphery:

(rather than retrieving then truncating)

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sphery:

for long term

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Er1K:

absolutely, but truncating it for now will allow you to test the difference

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Er1K:

I found it easiest just to do a select into to backup the existing table then had my fun

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clever:

looks like its not cleaning the old stuff that often

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clever:

| 2009-09–10 | 2998 |

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clever:

i see 8 day old content in the program table

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sphery:

it keeps all listings for 7 days

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clever:

ah

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clever:

can that be addjusted, or would i have to recompile?

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sphery:

that way you can find out why that showing of Lost last week didn't record

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sphery:

Oh, I thought it was new, but it's actually a re-run :)

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sphery:

requires code modification

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clever:

sphery: i can use the oldrecord table for that

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sphery:

only for 10days

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Er1K:

after making a backup.... "DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime < now();"

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sphery:

and /only/ if you actually have a rule that matches the episode

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clever:

mysql> select min(starttime) from oldrecorded;

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clever:

| 2007-02–05 12:00:00 |

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sphery:

(i.e. it only goes in oldrecord if you have a match)

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Er1K:

yes it's dirty, but you can ignore it's dirtyness if it's in a cron job :)

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clever:

sphery: it seems to be doing back alot farther then 10 days

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sphery:

so if you find out it didn't record because you had a conflict and you want to know why it chose to not record lost, you can find out

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sphery:

oldrecorded keeps /all/ recorded and never record entries

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sphery:

but oldrecorded only keeps other entries for 10days

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clever:

ah

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clever:

mysql> delete from program where date(starttime) = '2009-09–10';

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clever:

Query OK, 2998 rows affected (23.44 sec)

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clever:

that was oddly slow:S

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clever:

io mainly

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wagnerrp:

this is absolutely amazing

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wagnerrp:

python is erroring on a line in a module, that DOESNT EXIST

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: check white space

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wagnerrp:

no, its a line that doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

code that isnt there

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oobe:

is it possible to specify jamu update videos in a specific path i.e a season folder you just added

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ss1981:

hi, when I try to play audio I get this error on consolle: WriteAudio buffer underrun.

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cesman:

ss1981: you are try "Aggressive Sound card Buffering"

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ss1981:

cesman: I have tried but I have got the same problem

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clever:

laga: its a 1.6ghz laptop, its real hardware

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Dibblah:

laga: If he was going to take that advice, it would have happened... Some time ago :)

[09:59:09]

laga:

Dibblah: haha

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clever:

laga: explain to me how a 1.6ghz P4 cpu can fail to pick up key messages

[09:59:42]

clever:

even a 50mhz laptop can do that without failure

[09:59:49]

Dibblah:

You're typing too fast. Obviously.

[10:00:18]

clever:

Dibblah: ok, i hit f ONCE, and it drops the damn 'key up' signal

[10:00:34]

clever:

so it thinks i'm holding f, and mplayer is constantly entering and leaving full screen mode

[10:00:40]

clever:

how is that too fast?

[10:01:18]

laga:

clever: i never said it was the CPU. but obviously, if it fails to perform properly, it ain't proper hardware ;)

[10:01:59]

clever:

enless its related to how the ethernet has failed and it wont turn on enless i hit it, the hardware is fine:P

[10:02:00]

laga:

lessons i have learned: 1) drop more money when buying hardware for a linux system 2) a working system is worth a lot of money, especially if you need it for work

[10:02:19]

clever:

this was dads work laptop

[10:02:53]

Dibblah:

Doesn't have to be a hardware issue.

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Dibblah:

Weird kernel, something eating CPU, ...

[10:03:28]

clever:

its only when the system is under massive io load, so i'm thinking the kernel is doing stupid things and droping the msg

[10:03:46]

clever:

2.6.29

[10:04:26]

Dibblah:

Oooor, the good old sync bug.

[10:04:35]

clever:

?

[10:05:29]

Dibblah:

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309#c397

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clever:

lol, and there it goes again

[10:07:04]

clever:

i cant scroll down with the wheel, becuase it thinks i'm holding the home key

[10:07:30]

clever:

the bug knows i'm about to kill it, and has begun to fight back

[10:07:31]

Dibblah:

Maybe you have "sticky keys" enabled?

[10:07:39]

clever:

thats only on winblows:P

[10:07:41]

Dibblah:

Or just spilled something over the keyboard ;)

[10:07:54]

Dibblah:

Or your dad did.

[10:08:06]

clever:

ive poked arround with showkeys, and its not a psysicaly stuck key

[10:08:32]

clever:

the 'showkey' program will show multiple key down events when the key is really held

[10:08:38]

Dibblah:

xev will too.

[10:08:44]

clever:

while when things screw up, it doesnt show anything because a key isnt held at all

[10:09:26]

clever:

cant test it with xev right now, because typing xev would bring xorg to it senses and fix the problem

[10:09:38]

clever:

i have to type it thru ssh to not 'fix' it

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clever:

lets pray this aso fixes X sucking abnormal ammounts of cpu durring xv

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clever:

damnit, there it goes again

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clever:

i spin the moue wheel and it jumps 20 pages back in firefox history

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tmkt:

morning

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cerasus:

which program is used make a theme? QT?

[12:43:37]

cerasus:

QT Designer?

[12:44:01]

laga:

vim

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cerasus:

uh?

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cerasus:

vim is a text editor

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cerasus:

lol

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laga:

and some image editing software i guess

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GreyFoxx:

myth themes are basically XML text files, and some images the xml referrs too. So a text editor and some graphics editors like laga says :)

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GreyFoxx:

there is no gui based myth theme designer

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cerasus:

but isn't used with QT4?

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cerasus:

oh my bad, I don't have this version yet.

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cerasus:

so is the theme a single file?

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mag0o:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development will explain it in great detail cerasus

[12:53:06]

cerasus:

ok I see there are several files. I was just about to ask for that.

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clever:

share/mythtv/themes

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cerasus:

that's where I looked :)

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cerasus:

mm... why isn't designed with QTDesigner?

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mag0o:

there's also #mythtv-theming

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GreyFoxx:

cerasus: We have our own XML theme format, QT Designer has no knowledge of it

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cerasus:

so which part dose mythtv rely on QT?

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clever:

from what ive seen in the code, most of the core bg stuff like qstring, qthread, qtcpsocket, qimage, and some other stuff

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GreyFoxx:

lots of it. SQL access, string handling, lots of places

[13:03:34]

GreyFoxx:

QT is not just a gui widget set :)

[13:03:45]

sid3windr:

cutie designer

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sid3windr:

mewant

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clever:

yeah, i use it on a few of my daemon programs

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cerasus:

will the new mythtv take advantage of plasma and the technologies in QT?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

it will have a much extended theme api and use the much more powerful mythui instead of the previous gui routines (well, not all of it, but much of it)

[13:07:26]

GreyFoxx:

but it's going to need themers to write the themes to use the new theme options

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oobe:

Video Tree remembers last selected position doesnt seem to work with trunk is this the same for anyone else?

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j-rod:

ok, anyone over *here* have a vfd or lcd w/o all the fancy icons that can try out a patch against trunk for me?

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I do... but am at work right now – I can try it later tonigh. I have the Antec Fusion Black 430 with the iMon LCD.

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: that would be *with* the fancy icons though, no?

[13:59:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: As a matter of fact, I was salivating over your recent changes. ;-) ^^ Yes. ;-)

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j-rod:

I'm looking for one withOUT them :)

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j-rod:

I already know how it works on one with them :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: oops. ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A read it too fast and saw "w/o" as "with" — oops! ;-) **

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j-rod:

np

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j-rod:

the basics are working mostly okay on mine now

[14:01:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I have another box I setup a while ago too – with an HD44780 16x2 display – would that qualify to test?

[14:01:52]

j-rod:

yes, that would qualify

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: Ok, I'll boot that one up tonight and give it a shot. ;-) I'm in the same TZ as you, so it won't be until about 8pm tonight though! ;-)

[14:02:43]

mag0o:

hey, what do you guys use the lcd stuff for?

[14:02:59]

mag0o:

i haven't used one and really couldn't figure out what one would be used for

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j-rod:

trying to figure out if I need to do more magic inside the myth lcdproc client to disable these calls to light up stuff not present, or if I can just let LCDd reject 'em gracefully

[14:03:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: Status display. It's great for seeing what your backend is doing without having to look at a web page, etc.

[14:03:29]

mag0o:

ah, nice

[14:04:04]

j-rod:

mag0o: it shows date/time when nothing is going on, what J-e-f-f-A said, shows feedback for a currently playing program (name, progress, etc)

[14:04:18]

mag0o:

so it sits by your favorite frontend and you get live info on whats happening. cool

[14:04:22]

j-rod:

and with this patch I'm poking at, also lights up function-specific LED

[14:04:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: I personally think the current implementation isn't very 'pretty' for use on a frontend system, but have done some work in that area. But nothing I've done will make it into 0.22, but I'll do my best to submit patches for 0.23... ;-)

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j-rod:

including audio and video codec, hdtv, spdif, etc

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j-rod:

for me, its mostly just a toy

[14:05:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: — although j-rod 's changes make it more 'pretty'... ;-)

[14:05:21]

j-rod:

I can't actually read most of it from across the room where I usually watch tv

[14:05:44]

j-rod:

they're someone else's changes, actually (at least, were)

[14:05:46]

mag0o:

geek toy that the wifey/so cares nothing about...i have plenty of those

[14:05:56]

j-rod:

I'm just cleaning them up, making them work with current svn, etc

[14:06:21]

j-rod:

speaking of new toys, just got a KWorld UB435-Q stick in yesterday...

[14:06:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: The case I have has the display built right into the front of it, like a VCR or DVD player.

[14:06:34]

j-rod:

mine is internal as well

[14:06:45]

j-rod:

thought its an after-market add-on

[14:06:52]

mag0o:

ahh, even better

[14:07:22]

j-rod:

check out the antec veris premiere and antec veris elite

[14:07:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: Although I do have a CrystalFontz 634 USB on my 'production' backend (20x4) – for a status display there. (Displays a big clock and cycles through recordings that are occuring)

[14:07:37]

mag0o:

i need to get me another usb stick that does qam256, my current one can't pick up clear qam on the cable, but a tv on the same line can

[14:08:01]

** J-e-f-f-A has the Antec Fusion Black case. ;-) **

[14:08:04]

j-rod:

this kworld thing was $30 from newegg w/free shipping

[14:08:14]

mag0o:

i got the pinnacle 800e from newegg

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j-rod:

I plan to make it work Real Soon Now

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j-rod:

kworld is stupid though

[14:08:36]

mag0o:

wait, not newegg, i got it from woot

[14:08:45]

j-rod:

its got the same device ID as the kworld 340u

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j-rod:

but slightly different hardware

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j-rod:

(I've also got a 340u, which I wrote support for... then the stick died before I could get the code merged...)

[14:09:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: good think you didn't say the "80e"... as that's a whold different animal, that unfortunately seems will never work in Linux due to the Chipset Manufacturer's resistance to allow a gpl'd driver. :-(

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j-rod:

only the tuner differs though, so the work on the 340u mostly applies for the ub435-q

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mag0o:

ive had the 800e for a while and it's worked quite well for ota stuff, and since the 'transition' the signal has bumped up about 20% without having to move my antenna

[14:11:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: I picked up a couple of "80e"s when CircuitCity went out of business for $60 each – I only opened one and fiddled with Windoze with it... I'll have to put them up on fleabay to recoop my losses... Since they're still retailing for higher than i paid, maybe I'll be ok...

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mag0o:

not a bad idea

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: is that the micronas stuff?

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Josh_:

during compilation, I always do a "su" to run the command "make install". Would it be detrimental to do a "sudo make install" ?

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bradd:

its really the same thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Yeah, I think so – I was reading up on the linux driver support, and there was hope, but then it got shut down...

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Josh_:

bradd, I didnt know if the command "make install" would be ran by root under 'sudo' or it would be ran by the user, but with elevated privileges.

[14:37:56]

Srendi:

su and sudo elevate the user to root privs

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Srendi:

by default

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J-e-f-f-A:

Josh_: I've been using 'sudo make install' for my installs for a couple of years now...

[14:39:39]

Josh_:

J-e-f-f-A, awesome.

[14:39:44]

Josh_:

much easier

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: iirc, that's the stuff Devin Heitmueller was working on, and actually had those working before whoever it was decided their IP was too precious to allow an open driver

[14:41:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: Yep.

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J-e-f-f-A:

:-(

[14:41:21]

j-rod:

someone might be able to RE a driver if they cared enough to

[14:42:09]

j-rod:

Devin's hands are tied, since he's seen the data sheets under NDA, iirc, but someone else could potentially clean-room it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: yeah, he was saying that because he had seen the actual specs that he couldn't even 'attempt' to do that or it would be a violation of the NDA... ^^ exactly.

[14:43:51]

j-rod:

it'd be fun to try, but I have enough of those sort of projects already...

[14:43:57]

j-rod:

(without time for them)

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: I reverse-engineered a non-published Tandem terminal 'block mode' protocol in the early 90's... but that was a simple serial interface... I don't have the USB tools to do that nowadays... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

How's "that other" project going?

[14:44:37]

** J-e-f-f-A was wondering the same thing... ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

could mean anything

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j-rod:

currently stalled...

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iamlindoro:

bah!

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iamlindoro:

:)

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j-rod:

someone has gone radio silent on us

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I'm presuming it had to do with the pci id. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

I was talking about his plan to become a polygamist

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** J-e-f-f-A could use a plan like that... **

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j-rod:

and I've been poking at the imon lcd stuff instead of working on the other thing, since the other thing is post-0.22 anyway, while the lcd stuff could be 0.22

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j-rod:

I'll be entirely detached from the lcd all of next week though

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j-rod:

but will have a laptop with me, with the other thing in it, so hacking on that will resume...

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GreyFoxx:

#7096: Auto Mute (or Reduce) Volume of Commercials During Live TV

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GreyFoxx:

that's a cool idea

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GreyFoxx:

But of course during LiveTV we don't know we are in acommercial do we ?

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AndrewNC:

stupid question, but I'm not local to a mythtv device at the moment: in MythVideo, is the "up folder" optional in browse/gallery?

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mag0o:

dunno if flag commercials as soon as recording starts is true with livetv

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mag0o:

it would be a cool feature though, for those that use myth for live tv :)

[14:59:34]

mag0o:

or say it sees the lifetime movie network icon in the corner, just skip the channel alltogether. that would be an even better feature

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mag0o:

:)

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Josh_:

GreyFoxx, it seems plausible though, with the way liveTV isn't actually "live". Doesnt the backend already have the capability to start commercial flagging at the beginning of a recording?

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only way I can see that working 'well' is to do 'Automatic Volume Leveling' – that way if a commercial is detected wrong, you won't lose your audio... (But I don't watch LiveTV anyways...;-) )

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sid3windr:

detection is possible while recording

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sid3windr:

livetv is recording, so..

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iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: No, it's not optional

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm, my list messages are all arriving out of order

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iamlindoro:

weird

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mzb:

frustrating that might be

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mzb:

I can understand

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mzb:

how

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mzb:

isn't the problem with "live" ad detection more to do with the FE only loading the commflags when it first loads the video? (as opposed to being "told" that "there's an ad in 10 seconds time")

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j-rod:

Okay, its official. I really hate Ubuntu. But only (well, not only, but primarily) because the vast number of people asking insanely stupid questions seem to be running it.

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DarK``:

hi all, Im a happy mythtv-user with a question. Is it possible to stream liveTV through mythweb to another pc on my network?

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mchou:

wtf??

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** j-rod apologizes to the sane and not stupid Ubuntu users in the crowd **

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mzb:

j-rod, you were saying?

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mzb:

;)

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sid3windr:

mzb: no

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sid3windr:

it does not load them upon first load

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mzb:

oh really?

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sid3windr:

at least not in my experience, in 0.21-fixes

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sid3windr:

I don't have live flagging enabled, only afterwards

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sid3windr:

and I was watching a recording that was still ongoing, but already started a while back

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sid3windr:

after it finished, commflagging ran, and then while I was still watching I could skip the commercials

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mzb:

never worked for me ... perhaps I should re-examine

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sid3windr:

I could be confused, but I think that's what I saw this week ;)

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sid3windr:

didn't expect that though :)

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mzb:

I'm talking about commflag during recording, and watching a recording while it's still being recorded (ie: a bit like live tv;)

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sid3windr:

yeah, well, I was doing the latter, but have commflag after recording.

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Josh_:

DarK``, there's 10 million things that dont' make sense in your question.

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Hadaka:

ls

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Hadaka:

whoops

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DarK``:

uh? like what?

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DarK``:

what's wrong with my question? I asked if there was a way to stream livetv through the network (using mythweb?)

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DarK``:

without having to install mythfrontend on a second computer, that is

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iamlindoro:

DarK``: Mythweb does not have any liveTV functionality, no

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iamlindoro:

Basically your only option for "live" is a frontend-- though scheduling a recording and then immediately playing back the recording opens up some more options

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iamlindoro:

ie Schedule what you want to watch "live" in mythweb, then use a uPnP player/samba mount/whatever to watch that recording

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DarK``:

allright, thanks for your information

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sphery:

though if you get a chance to use a real mythfrontend, you'll probably decide that UPnP is just as bad as watching TV straight off the wire (you lose a /lot/ of functionality)

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sphery:

mythfrontend ftw!

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Hadaka:

hello! I have a flaky dvb card that sometimes fails to get a lock on any channel – what fixes it is unloading and reloading the kernel driver – is there any way I can get mythtv to detect this, and perhaps do something automatically? or atleast exit so I can notice it?

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Huijari:

Hadaka: i have the same problem, but i haven't figured a workaround yet

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Hadaka:

Huijari: which card?

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Huijari:

Hadaka: TerraTec Cinergy 1200 DVB-C (with SAA7146)

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Hadaka:

Huijari: okay, I've got the Technisat Cablestar 2 HD (PCI)

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Huijari:

Hadaka: my card uses budget_av and saa7146_vv

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Hadaka:

Huijari: and mine is the mantis driver, compiled from s2-liplianin hg repository

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Hadaka:

hmh, mythtv does a periodic EIT scan, right? how often does it do this when idle?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Thanks for the response re: "Not a new feature"

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Saves me having to say the same, and better coming from someone else

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: And you're exactly right, the functionality has been there for over a month, that changeset just makes it behave a little more helpfully for people w/ another common organizational structure

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Hadaka:

I'm wondering about making a script that monitors changes to the sql eit_cache – and if nothing is noticed for some minutes, then it would do the reload rumbabumba

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Hadaka:

but, that doesn't seem directly trivial

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sid3windr:

rumbabumba =)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: hehe... no problem. ;-)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: is like our channel's little puppet... he makes comments for us about the HDHR support in trunk or about fixes being fixes :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehehe... ;-) It's the least I can do, since I haven't had time to do some 'real' code contributions... ;-)

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dustybin:

Tonight, Channel 4 10pm new series of Peep Show, followed by a new series of IT Crowd, perfect :D

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** dustybin prepares mythtv for the big record **

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wagnerrp:

i find the concept of a show called 'peep show' disturbing

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dustybin:

heh

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wagnerrp:

sounds about as high quality as 'cheaters'

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RyeBrye:

So when 0.22 gets ready to release, I think I'll make a release and call it 0.21-with-all-0.22-backports ;)

[17:00:20]

jblack:

Not everything can have the socially valuable aspects of "Cops"

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jblack:

just so many mullets can fit on the screen. :)

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dustybin:

if your are not a developer or contributor, i think its best to let .22 go a few months before you install

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wagnerrp:

Monkey Island is down to $5 on steam

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sphery:

meshe: redundant blocks in your lircrc? (i.e. repeated "begin\nprog = mythtv\nbutton = <whatever>\nconfig = Return\nend" sections)

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AndrewNC:

looks like .22 release is near?

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wagnerrp:

AndrewNC: down to a few weeks

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sphery:

meshe: or having the kernel's keyboard driver for your remote loaded and using LIRC?

[17:16:10]

AndrewNC:

awesome, I saw the MythUI ticket was bumped to .23

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wagnerrp:

that was a while back... stuff the author thinks are too large to get to before 0.22

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wagnerrp:

plus there has been a feature freeze in effect for a week and a half

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wagnerrp:

no new features, only bugfixes

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: re: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-S . . . /066182.html , iamlindoro is testing each response to verify it's a valid image .

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, he knows, and his latest patch does similar

[17:22:26]

iamlindoro:

though it only prevents downloading redirects, doesn't solve the issue of TVDB image mirrors may not have all the images

[17:22:37]

iamlindoro:

Not sure what to tell David about that

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: The patch for that problem is not finished testing yet but I am working on it.

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which... iamlindoro, whenever you get some time, could you walk me though mythvideo's download procedure? i want to make sure #6680 behaves the same as mythvideo and JAMU

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wagnerrp:

right now, its close, or at least it used to be... i know you changed a lot of stuff around

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: What specifically would you like to know about it? Only real recent change is that the filename has a suffix appended indicating the file type

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: The mirror site has numerous images messed up. All of the show "Eastwick" for example

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iamlindoro:

_coverart, _fanart, _banner, _screenshot

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: cool... wasn't trying to press you to get it done, but hoping that it might save you some time.

[17:25:44]

wagnerrp:

more stuff about how it handles season coverart, folder.jpg, stuff like that

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ask away-- There's a ton of logic so it's really hard to summarize-- any chance you have specific questions?

[17:26:35]

RDV_Linux:

sphery:I thought I had it done but testing proved I introduced other issues. It will be done when iamlindoro returns Monday.

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sphery:

great

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wagnerrp:

ill make a list and get back to you, thanks

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wagnerrp:

i assume that suffix is so people can have one large folder to hold all this data?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Leaving for the weekend in a few hours, but back Sunday night

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wagnerrp:

so where i have '24 Season 1.jpg', it would now be '24 Season 1_coverart.jpg'?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

thats the same format Recordings will look for?

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iamlindoro:

though there's nothing preventing you using the old one, it just won't be found *if* you reset metadata and then reload metadata

[17:29:32]

iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

movies are still stored with just the <imdb_id>_whatever.<extension>?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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iamlindoro:

re: folder.jpg, it's largely obviated now by the recursive image hunt

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iamlindoro:

but it will still override the image hunt if you put one there

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iamlindoro:

ie a folder w/ no folder.jpg will display the first valid artwork of each type found on items within the folder. But folder.jpg takes precedence as an "override"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thinking of just removing that code, since it will only place the same image the recursive hunt would otherwise find

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wagnerrp:

looks like screen shots are named SxE, no padding

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wagnerrp:

ill have to add some code for that

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sphery:

heh, did the reporter at #6367 ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 97981#397981 ) just say his ticket was invalid?

[17:35:30]

sphery:

(illusive meaning "like an illusion" versus elusive meaning "hard to find")

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Ha, I thought that very thing

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sphery:

who says you can't have fun with words

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iamlindoro:

cool people

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sphery:

that's probably true

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sphery:

iamlindoro: re: the file browser, you could use INFO to do one thing and MENU to do the other. ;)

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** sphery feels like he's just being helpful all around, today **

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iamlindoro:

heh, but we'd never agree on which for which ;)

[17:38:45]

sphery:

that is the downside

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sphery:

and then people would complain that--even though you just changed MythVideo to work like MythTV Watch Recordings--it's hard to remember that things are different, now, in MythVideo

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Do you have mod on mythtv-users list? Can you sticky http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /264629.html ?

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

just put it on your speed link macros

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sphery:

heh, that works, too

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sphery:

Or, I could just send a bump every 4 hrs to make sure people keep remembering

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sid3windr:

possibly stupid question: I guess you can't have 2 disecq switches after eachother? :p

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iamlindoro:

ISTR cascaded switches are supported in trunk

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sid3windr:

oh, so the protocol actually supports that?

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sid3windr:

I am looking at implementing dvb-s :]

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** sid3windr goes to look into that **

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sphery:

sid3windr: I (with no understanding/knowledge of the matter) think that timeouts are the main problem, when used with rotors

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sphery:

this just based on comments I've heard

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

well this would be to switch between 2 diffenrlt positioned quad/twin lnb's

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sid3windr:

I was looking at the multitenne thing but it's quite expensive and has only 2 outputs.. 4 sats though

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sid3windr:

I 'm trying to see if 2 dishes pointed at 2 sats each, connected through disecq would be cheaper

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sid3windr:

(with 4 outputs in total then)

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sid3windr:

but obviously a disecq switch isn't free :|

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_ben:

mmm, i seem to get static when playing a dvd – any obvious settings to twiddle?

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_ben:

let me try another dvd

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wagnerrp:

ugh.... Poster, Coverart, coverart, coverfile.... choose one name for it

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mag0o:

how about PosterCover

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iamlindoro:

postercovrartfile

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GreyFoxx:

I like that one

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GreyFoxx:

postercoverartshotfile

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_ben:

weird, sound on live tv is fine but static when playing back dvd's

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sphery:

_ben: trunk?

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sphery:

if so, update

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_ben:

ah k

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sphery:

_ben: then again, that could be that you're playing AC-3 as analog (and need to either disable AC-3/DTS passthrough or set up ALSA properly).

[18:30:28]

sphery:

but if your config worked on -fixes, then you just need to upgrade

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_ben:

Ah, disabling passthru did the job

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_ben:

thanks sphery, much appreciated

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laga:

j-rod: i'm at my parent's place atm, so i dont have all those niceties i have at my own place :)

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j-rod:

heh

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j-rod:

(and yeah, probably was getting OTish for #mythtv...)

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iamlindoro:

Gav8in: H.264 in VOB is basically EVOB, which was the container format for HD-DVD

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** Gav8in wavbes **

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iamlindoro:

Which is basically really on H.264 in MPEG PS by another name

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iamlindoro:

but I'm not aware of anything outside of an HD-DVD player that might have a shot at playing any of that

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iamlindoro:

and even then, probably maybe not

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Gav8in:

my hope was that myth's internal player would, and i'd call that good enough pour moi

[18:51:06]

Gav8in:

it's to make the ISOs on my spinning disks smaller

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iamlindoro:

It does not/would not

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iamlindoro:

You can create and play the bare files, but disks played in the internal dvd player rely on libdvdnav understanding them, which means bog-standard DVDs

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Gav8in:

oh, aha.

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Gav8in:

so without hacking at libdvdnav, i'm still sad. alas; it would have been a neat hack.

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j-rod:

laga: I've even got photographic evidence of having a car! http://wilsonet.com/jarod/Volvo_S60_R-2004.jpg :)

[18:54:31]

j-rod:

(okay, so it could be anyone's car just sitting there, but its mine, I swear)

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Josh__:

Anyone have any suggestions why my 0.21 install refuses to record "Robot Chicken"?

[18:54:51]

Josh__:

j-rod, now you need a 6 foot wing.

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j-rod:

no, Its not an asian import

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j-rod:

also, it actually has an engine with horsepower

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Gav8in:

i also drive a ford

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Gav8in:

sans wing

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j-rod:

ford. haha. funny.

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Josh__:

j-rod, that's no excuse! I've seen BMWs with oversized, incorrectly adjusted wings.

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Josh__:

And yes, they look as stupid as they sound.

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j-rod:

the car is 100% factory, outside of the tint job

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laga:

when i went past my car repair shop today, i saw my car in their parking lot so they had it fixed. now i'm wondering if i should just take my second key and go get my car without telling them. the look on their faces would be priceless

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j-rod:

heh

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** j-rod actually had to remove that tint to pass inspection in MA, has actually a much nicer huper optik ceramic-based tint on it now that's a bit lighter **

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Josh__:

So, yeah, Robot Chicken.

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Josh__:

According to "Upcoming Recordings", it's set to record

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Josh__:

but this is the second day now that it has not recorded.

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sphery:

j-rod: and one step up from the kernel, you also have Ulrich Drepper

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sphery:

though, I guess *buntu is sidestepping that one

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laga:

Ulrich Drepper is an awesome person

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j-rod:

uli is... both a blessing and a curse. :)

[19:08:28]

j-rod:

jakub jelinek is also crazy-brilliant

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sphery:

I'm wondering just how many problems the eglibc switch will cause

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sphery:

seems kind of bold to just replace the while libc on a distro

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laga:

j-rod: does jakub yell at people a lot? i might wanna google him then ;)

[19:09:07]

sphery:

especially for political reasons

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j-rod:

nah, jakub is actually quite helpful most of the time, if you can get his attention

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j-rod:

he's one of the core gcc guys

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laga:

sphery: political reasons? have you read dreppers replies?

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sphery:

that's politics

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j-rod:

two different glibc's in play should be ... interesting

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j-rod:

er, libc's I mean

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sphery:

yeah

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j-rod:

could definitely result in some very different behavior from one distro to another

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sphery:

though eglibc says it's not a fork, I think their definition is a bit different from mine

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j-rod:

making "linux is linux" not quite so true anymore

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j-rod:

yeah, I'd have to call a duck a duck

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sphery:

So, we'll have GNU/Linux and GNU-compatible/Linux ? :)

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laga:

Linux "sane maintainer" edition ;)

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j-rod:

that might make stallman's head asplode

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Gav8in:

i see stallman on the redline sometimes

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Gav8in:

he has a big "GNU/Linux" sticker on his laptop. I've never had the guts to go up to him and say "hey buddy, only stallman calls it that."

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I actually feel kind of guilty for not peeling the (OEM-provided) Windows stickers off my laptop (which runs GNU/Linux, not GNU-compatible/Linux)

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Gav8in:

he goes to the same grocery store as me sometimes too. he looks more gross there

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Gav8in:

he doesn't wash

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iamlindoro:

Stallman is a filthy troll

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iamlindoro:

I used to see him all the time

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Gav8in:

yeah.

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Gav8in:

on the subway, he looks like a bum

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Gav8in:

but in a grocery store, ugh.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: were you an East-coaster at one time?

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laga:

reminds me, i need to reade ESR's guide to dating again

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yep

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Gav8in:

heh, esr's guide to dating. is it about guns?

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laga:

no. that was a different article

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive still got a half worn off windows sticker on the bottom of my computer

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, i may as well just throw it away

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wagnerrp:

im never going to install Win2k again

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Gav8in:

well, i think esr should write an article that's about fetchmail, guns & chicks.

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Gav8in:

that's all i'm saying.

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sphery:

Is it about using electron spin resonance detecting damage to animal teeth to determine time since death?

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Gav8in:

heh

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laga:

sphery: okay, i'm not in on that joke

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Gav8in:

"is it about <thing it's not about>?"

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laga:

oh

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laga:

\o/

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sphery:

laga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_paramag . . . Applications

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sphery:

bad joke

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wejfilwf:

Hulu Deskop > Fox media player

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Gav8in:

religion

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Gav8in:

i forgot religion

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Gav8in:

esr writes crazy shit about religion sometimes too

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Gav8in:

so i now want his best article evar to be about guns, chicks, religion & fetchmail

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Gav8in:

.

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laga:

isn't he into polyamory as well?

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iamlindoro:

Aren't we all?

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sphery:

Gav8in: I'd be very worried to see some of the procmail recipes that come out of that one

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laga:

heh

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AndrewNC:

esr is only theoretically into any amory

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Gav8in:

i thought he was married

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AndrewNC:

no more, I might want to eat again before I die :-P

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Gav8in:

i don't want the article to be about polyamory, because even totally crazy weird polyamory advocacy is not entertaining.

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laga:

Gav8in: well, see, ranting about religion is not amusing either :(

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Gav8in:

well, then you need a different esr article.

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AndrewNC:

Gav8in: telling RMS that line regarding the gnu/linux sticker, that would be epic beyond words... if you ever decide, I will drive down to boston to film it :D

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AndrewNC:

that would go to the top tier in the pantheon of IRL trolling

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Gav8in:

it would be pretty good

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Josh__:

Can someone dumb this line down for me in the backend log? 2009-09–18 14:30:24.184 Scheduled 107 items in 0.3 = 0.01 match + 0.33 place

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laga:

"Everything is doubleplusgood. no need to worry"

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Josh__:

I'm still trying to figure out why Robot Chicken did not record. I deleted the recording rule and created a new one, let's see what happens tonight I guess.

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iamlindoro:

How many items were schedules, how long it took, and a breakdown of what parts of the query took what amount of time

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iamlindoro:

er scheduled

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Josh__:

Oh, and I had a problem this morning with my -trunk build

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Josh__:

although I'm not sure of all your stances on the situation.

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Josh__:

I only had 6GB free on my LiveTV SG, (not enough to finish one program), and the recording filled the partition completely.

[19:37:40]

Josh__:

That was the only recording on this system, so there was nothing to expire to make room

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Josh__:

Granted, most logical people are going to have a storage directory larger than 6 gigs, so this may not be a concern to you guys.

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jblack:

your problem is what?

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Josh__:

if there's not enough space on a storage group for even one recording, the backend will happily fill all the available space of the filesystem.

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Josh__:

usually 3% (IIRC) is reserved to remain free.

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jblack:

yeah, that doesn't sound like an edge case worth worrying about.

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Josh__:

I didn't think so, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

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jblack:

how many times a year is a user going to record 1 show that's larger than their entire filesystem

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sphery:

we'd happily take a patch that stops the recording when the filesystem fills up (assuming the patch is done properly)

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Josh__:

Well, that depends also, Most of us use dedicated filesystems for our recordings. If a user just decides to make a folder in his root or home directory it could become an issue though.

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sphery:

just not a case that anyone really cares enough about to have already written

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sphery:

(and tested)

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sphery:

if you're serious about doing a patch, let me know and I'll give you names of the ones who will need to sign off on the approach

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Josh__:

sphery, It's not something I'm worried about either, the average user will have a storage group many times the size of a single recording.

[19:50:42]

Josh__:

Like I said, just figured I'd check you's guys' concerns also.

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sphery:

well, we care, but not enough to fix it :)

[19:51:05]

sphery:

If someone else fixed it, we'd be happy.

[19:51:31]

sphery:

where, really, I should say the "but not enough..." part is speaking of me and not we.

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Dagmar:

"One day, Leary came by and he said 'You're kidding'" rofl

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Dagmar:

I have missed Walter's brand of insanity

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laga:

Dagmar: walter?

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Dagmar:

From Fringe.

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Josh_Borke:

i guess i missed that line last night..

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Josh__:

Oh god.. haha, "Is this bad?" > http://wilsonet.com/jarod/junk/is-this-bad.txt

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Dagmar:

I pay attention when Walter looks conspiratorial.

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Josh__:

there seem to have been multiple "oops's" there.

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j-rod:

heh, yeah, that was good fun there

[19:56:06]

j-rod:

it was really just one bad drive (which is currently en route to seagate for rma) causing havoc

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Josh__:

I'm actually surprised on my box.

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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Josh__:

j-rod, that was recent?

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j-rod:

a bit ago, don't recall how long. drive was flaky, finally died

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Josh__:

j-rod, this was an array I built sometime last year, with "system pull" drives. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1571169

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Josh__:

To my surprise, it's *still* going strong.

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j-rod:

I ran an 8x250 array for ~3 years w/o problem

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j-rod:

replaced it with 4x1.5T earlier this year

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j-rod:

have already replaced the dead drive, array back to 100% health

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Josh__:

I want to buy new drives. I want another video card for the livingroom frontend.

[19:59:28]

Josh__:

Not sure which is more important atm.

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Josh__:

and which would be more likely the better half will let me have the money for.

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RyeBrye:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/18/video-dfi- . . . ms-simultan/ finally a system for people who want their backend and frontend to be in the same box but on different machines

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laga:

umm.. awesome?

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sphery:

virtuali-case-ion?

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wagnerrp:

can you switch off between the two systems?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Josh__: 8400GS on sale at micro Center for $24.99 with a $5 MIR which brings it down to $19.99 ... http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0305869

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RyeBrye:

dunno. it's kind of interesting but it will probably be more expensive than just buying two motherboards and finding a crafty way to put them in the same case when you get down to it

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wagnerrp:

looks like its two systems and a built in KVM switch

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PeaceKeeper:

Anyone have an opion on the Zotac 230 or 330 for a new build? If I can get away with the 230 then I think I would prefer to spend the extra $ on a remote.

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Josh__:

J-e-f-f-A, I'm looking at a GTX275, so my wife can dualboot the frontend for games, but that does seem like a decent VDPAU capable interim GPU. It's well priced also.

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slowone:

peacekeeper i just built a zotac 230 (b-e) + 2gig ram + mce ir receiver +2gig usb stick to boot off and run mythfrontend... works great

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RyeBrye:

slowone: how much did that build run?

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PeaceKeeper:

slowone: awesome, thank you.

[20:25:30]

slowone:

277 includeing a $75 case

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slowone:

and shipping

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slowone:

all from newegg

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: or just get a nice Core 2 or Athlon 64 system that doesn't /need/ VDPAU for the less than the cost of the 230 and have a system that's not tied to VDPAU, can use VDPAU if you want, and has room to grow in the future...

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AndrewNC:

oh, that hybrid board isn't a virtualizing thing, it is just two seperate systems on one mainboard PCB, they don't share PCIe slots or memory on anything

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RyeBrye:

slowone: that's pretty sweet.

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sphery:

but if you don't mind a system that's annoying to use today and may not be usable as myth grows...

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AndrewNC:

neat I guess, but which one do you make frontend and backend?

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PeaceKeeper:

+sphery: I need a small, quite frontend. You think I can get that for cheaper than a Zotac?

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sphery:

AndrewNC: yeah, they're virtualizing only the case

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RyeBrye:

I think they might share a PSU?

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sphery:

PeaceKeeper: I don't know. I don't buy small/quiet--I just run cables through/around walls from a frontend in a different room/closet

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AndrewNC:

sphery: lol, that is a nice way to put (spin) it ;-)

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: they share part of the backpanel IO

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm ok time to research more on newegg.. :) thx for the help

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AndrewNC:

it is like they took the concept of a system on a PCI card (where the pci card had no slot contacts) and made it integrated!

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AndrewNC:

probably originated from a joke in a meeting

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wagnerrp:

looks like they use separate hard drives

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wagnerrp:

dedicated connectors

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AndrewNC:

two motherboards glued together with shared io panel and power supply

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I don't see that being a huge success

[20:31:38]

RyeBrye:

It'd be like having a motorcycle bolted onto a minivan

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AndrewNC:

RyeBrye: hah :P

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wagnerrp:

they have a shared power button

[20:32:22]

RyeBrye:

They do? that's actually kind of dumb

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AndrewNC:

a curiosity for a pc museum

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wagnerrp:

the power and reset buttons are connected to whichever system is currently active

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AndrewNC:

does it have some kind of integrated KVM?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

four USB ports, audio, and two DVI-I ports are run through a KVM

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slowone:

i wonder if it has some kind of intigrated network between the two?

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wagnerrp:

they each have their own dedicated ethernet port

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AndrewNC:

ah, that is sorta neat... but I think better to go with a "system in a 5 1/2" bay box" if you really need a system in your system

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AndrewNC:

dawg...

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slowone:

but no way for each one to talk to the other directly?

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RyeBrye:

electrical crosstalk maybe?

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RyeBrye:

fnd a way to tunnel IP over crosstalk ?

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AndrewNC:

lame if it doesn't have an integrated ethernet bridge connecting them

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Dagmar:

Dude the Koreans were coming up with some messed up security solutions like that

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Dagmar:

I saw a PCI card that you used to have one PC have network separation

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Dagmar:

Depending on what position the switch was in controlled which of your hard drives and network ports worked

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wagnerrp:

well there is always that network card that has a 400MHz embedded processor, and runs linux

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slowone:

killer!

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** dustybin sits back and waits for peep show to start :D **

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dustybin:

imagine my myth box failed now :-S

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iamlindoro:

Given its maintainer, entirely likely

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gbee:

why watch it live?

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mw:

dfi motherboard there is a builtin switch

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laga:

watch what live?

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dustybin:

peep show channel 4

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laga:

oh god

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laga:

i hoped it was some kind of euphemism

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_ben:

peep show :D

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gbee:

incidently, if anyone has bothered to watch Derren Brown's latest series, I'll spoil the punchline – the whole series is about gullibility, seeing how many people believe the bullshit he's spinning, if on the last episode he doesn't turn around and explain how it was all a big joke I'll eat my hat

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gbee:

laga: it's a brilliant comedy

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laga:

ah

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iamlindoro:

I've seen a bit of Peep Show, it has some very hilarious moments, though every time I try to watch it outside of excerpts I find myself getting distracted by other things

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gbee:

comedy is a very personal thing, I'm not going to try and sell Peep Show, it's either something you find funny or you don't, it's hit and miss but I've never seen anything that wasn't

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_ben:

agreed.

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|rv65_|:

cablecard is unlikely

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|rv65_|:

for now

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_ben:

i mean, catherine tate just isn't funny

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gbee:

personally I rate it much, much higher than The Office, that other 'great' British comedy, which I found to be excruciating rather than funny or the IT Crowd which is far too obvious to be funny

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iamlindoro:

|rv65_|, Uhh, thanks for the news flash, and duh? ;)

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|rv65_|:

yeah

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|rv65_|:

DCAS is interesting

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iamlindoro:

I'll go one further and say that cablecard will never, ever happen in Myth

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|rv65_|:

since it's just downloadable CAS

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|rv65_|:

DCAS though is got too many issues

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sphery:

oops... I thought I was in #mythtv-users...

[21:13:14]

iamlindoro:

apparently so did he

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sphery:

yeah

[21:13:23]

iamlindoro:

or he's just spamming the same message to random myth channels

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sphery:

Yeah, I really don't know where that comment came from

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|rv65_|:

How is 0.22

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|rv65_|:

doing

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iamlindoro:

it's two-two-riffic

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tmkt:

88% complete this morning

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tmkt:

100 open tickets

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laga:

iamlindoro: effing awesome.

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iamlindoro:

percentage means nothing

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iamlindoro:

laga, Indeed ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: it means exactly as much as it means in a Windows progress dialog

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sphery:

so, since that's what the world is used to...

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iamlindoro:

hahahaha

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iamlindoro:

in that case 12348659469534 e10 minutes remaining

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sphery:

1s remaining

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iamlindoro:

49236492346239 e14 remaining

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iamlindoro:

about a minute remaining

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sphery:

yep, that's pretty much how it works

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iamlindoro:

4237043 seconds

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

i think i heard some time ago there's some way to see current movie previews in mythtv. is that possible?

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sphery:

Hilikus: There's a script that a) violates the Apple website Terms of Service and b) does a terrible hackish job of sticking stuff into your Myth menus

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sphery:

You're best bet, though, is to use MythBrowser (on -fixes, configure it to use an external browser) to hit the Apple Trailers website

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Hilikus:

why do i need the external browser?

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sphery:

www.apple.com/trailers/

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tmkt:

yeah..that mythstream is pretty oogly

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tmkt:

compared to the rest of mythtv

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sphery:

Does MythStream support apple trailers, too?

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iamlindoro:

because mythstream isn't part of mythtv

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sphery:

that's not the hack I was talking about

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sphery:

(the one I'm talking about is result # 9 or so on a Google search for apple trailers)

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tmkt:

yeah

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tmkt:

thats where i see the apple trailers

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sphery:

if so, MythSTream is probably also in violation of the ToS

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laga:

mythstream is in violation of sane UI design :(

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iamlindoro:

violates my eyeballs

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sphery:

laga: yeah, it doesn't help that the author wanted to design it like StreamTuned (his "full" version of MythStream) rather than designing it to integrated into MythTV with a Myth-like UI

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** sphery goes to put a comment on the wiki page about how we should delete it... **

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sphery:

so, do I do that in Discussion?

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iamlindoro:

just add {{Ready_for_Deletion}} at the top

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sphery:

thx

[21:46:04]

iamlindoro:

and maybe a note box about how it violates ToS

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sphery:

and take out all links to the page?

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iamlindoro:

sure, why not

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Trailer.pl also

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sphery:

note inside {{Ready_for_Deletion}}?

[21:46:54]

sphery:

like a |Reason thing?

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iamlindoro:

no, just a note in text

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iamlindoro:

If you want to use the note box template:

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iamlindoro:

{{Note box|This page violates Terms of Service and thus may not acceptably be associated with the MythTV project}}

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iamlindoro:

or some similar text

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sphery:

yeah, found it... Thanks.

[21:48:59]

sphery:

Ready isn't working...

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RyeBrye:

or "This article is a piece of shit. You can help by deleting it." maybe?

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sphery:

lower case

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iamlindoro:

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sphery:

yeah got it

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sphery:

thanks for all the help

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sphery:

I'm a wiki-challenged user

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythCinema

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I remember when the guy started that one

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sphery:

yeah, hasn't gone far, it seems

[21:51:43]

iamlindoro:

he posted to this list about his great idea, and if someone who knew how to code could just get in touch, they'd get in gear

[21:51:46]

RyeBrye:

it's in the alpha stages of development, sheesh, what do you expect? working code?

[21:52:03]

RyeBrye:

and it's not just one, but a SET of plugins

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... unfortunately it would proably still be a violoation of TOS to play it in real-time from their site without using the actual web page, eh?

[21:52:47]

** iamlindoro pulls all his trailers off of his blu ray disks (and sometimes the DVD) **

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yep

[21:53:05]

iamlindoro:

and associates them with his films in MythVideo for #1 primo good fun :)

[21:53:14]

RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Setting_up_MythNotify does this still work?

[21:53:43]

sphery:

RyeBrye: I guess 3 alpha's do not a gamma make

[21:54:13]

RyeBrye:

I think a piece of paper can block alpha radiation

[21:55:48]

RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythRoast mytharchive wasn't good enough?

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sphery:

how do I mention on the Feature Wishlist page that a feature is a violation of the ToS of Apple's website?

[21:56:05]

sphery:

just a sub-bulletted list?

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RyeBrye:

strikethrough!

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sphery:

there...

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sphery:

much btter

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** iamlindoro helpfully hands sphery an e **

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** Dagmar looks the other way **

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Captain_Murdoch:

muche btter?

[22:07:58]

laga:

mucho bitter

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sphery:

I thought that way you could choose to either insert an e to describe my addition to the wiki or an i to describe my attitude toward the scripts that violate the apple website ToS and yet put MythTV in the first page of results for Apple Trailers

[22:08:36]

sphery:

no wonder we're all labelled thieves

[22:08:54]

Dagmar:

Mark it openly with a strikethrough and put "(Site ToS violation)" next to it then

[22:08:57]

RyeBrye:

I thought it was because I stole hardware to run my myth setup on

[22:09:07]

Dagmar:

I dont' see any reason to hold back on nixing it when it would be a clear violation

[22:09:09]

sphery:

er, maybe not labelled so much as grouped together with (by that article)

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sphery:

in the New York Times – http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/arts/televi . . . =rssuserland

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Dagmar:

Baleted.

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Dagmar:

;)

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Josh__:

sphery, it's BS that they're lumping the MythTV community with warez pirating bittorrent users.

[22:14:59]

Josh__:

sphery, sorry, not *only* bittorrent, there's lots of other filesharing technology that's being used for illegal purposes too.

[22:15:01]

sphery:

Josh__: agreed...

[22:15:09]

Josh__:

but still sad they're lumping us with P2P programs.

[22:15:22]

sphery:

but it doesn't help that we're on page one of a Google search for Apple trailers

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Dagmar:

Solution: A more aggressive stance about plugins which violate contractual or legal rules.

[22:15:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: WTF??? just like Josh__ says — that's not fair...

[22:15:47]

Dagmar:

sphery: Shouldn't be for much longer

[22:16:05]

sphery:

Dagmar: did you actually delete it?

[22:16:10]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Write and complain

[22:16:32]

sphery:

ahh, deleted the contents... Didn't think of that :)

[22:17:04]

Dagmar:

sphery: I don't even know where the link to make that happen would be, but generally nuking a page's content and waiting for Google to notice does it well enough

[22:17:16]

Josh__:

And I didn't realize it was still possible to steal pay-for-tv services, like HBO, etc.

[22:17:26]

sphery:

yeah, makes sense... I'm going to put the rationale note box back, too

[22:17:34]

Dagmar:

k

[22:17:50]

sphery:

thanks for thinking outside of the note box, too :)

[22:17:51]

Dagmar:

I'm kinda suprised the page was even up there

[22:18:14]

Dagmar:

I dunno what rationale the person commenting about whether or not it violates their ToS was using

[22:18:35]

Dagmar:

"Why here, it clearly states you're not allowed to use robots or scrapers on their site... but over here, it says something entirely unrelated"

[22:18:41]

Dagmar:

Is that the Chewbacca defense or what?

[22:18:45]

sphery:

Mind if I respell your Deleted, too?

[22:18:55]

Dagmar:

Go right ahead. It's a Strongbad reference

[22:19:11]

Dagmar:

...in case you were wondering.

[22:19:40]

Dagmar:

It's somewhat handy slang for expressing something even people as dim as Strongbad can figure out

[22:19:42]

sphery:

wasn't sure, but I figured it was some reference

[22:21:02]

sphery:

wish we could tell Google to reindex that page...

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sphery:

Dagmar: I think those words about the "As it is, the script may be..." are mine

[22:22:44]

sphery:

but not from editing that page...

[22:23:24]

Dagmar:

Someone quoted you out of context on that page?

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sphery:

from a post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/393292#393292

[22:24:06]

Dagmar:

Ah, yes they did it seems

[22:24:28]

RyeBrye:

Are there any more recent articles lumping Myth and piracy?

[22:24:32]

Dagmar:

That woudl explain why it sounded like a chewbacca defense

[22:24:48]

RyeBrye:

it's no more for piracy than TiVo is

[22:25:24]

Josh__:

Is there any documentation yet on the yet-to-be released 0.22's channel scanner? I'm curious why I'm getting three types of programs from a single ATSC tuner.

[22:25:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Well that article claims we're sharing our recordings with friends and family, etc...

[22:25:29]

sphery:

RyeBrye: haven't seen any lately, but if you find any, please add them to the wiki pages (like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Bittorrent )

[22:26:03]

Dagmar:

I has an idea

[22:26:53]

Dagmar:

Need coffee to write gooder english tho

[22:27:06]

Josh__:

RyeBrye, last page – "they're just looking for a reasonable amount of flexibility to watch the same recorded program in different rooms, or on the train to work; to lend friends a TV recording the way they used to lend videotape"

[22:27:33]

Dagmar:

I'm sure after a cuppa something will come to me that I can type in there to say "ToS and Laws are shiny. You no use MythTV to break shiny even if you no like shiny."

[22:27:36]

sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, it left out the part that made the "however in another section" different--by saying it /definitely/ violates that

[22:28:00]

Dagmar:

Such statements are currently nowhere on the site that I've noticed.

[22:28:31]

sphery:

which statements?

[22:28:49]

Dagmar:

Statements saying "Respect copyright law, noobs."

[22:29:10]

Dagmar:

"Do not involve the project in things which will get people sued."

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sphery:

ahh, yeah, something directly saying that would be good

[22:29:52]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[22:30:07]

Dagmar:

I gotta get some hot caffiene in me to get the brain per-co-latin'

[22:30:34]

Dagmar:

Plus I gotta go hunt down more cigarettes before the smoke shops close

[22:31:35]

laga:

ah, what a life

[22:31:51]

Dagmar:

Hey if the FDA were taking your brand of smokes away, you'd show an interest too

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Dagmar:

At the moment I'm still taking the approach that they know not what they've summoned

[22:33:06]

laga:

"oh wait guys, we're fscking with Dagmar d'Surreal, let's not do that"

[22:34:36]

clever:

what the heck

[22:34:44]

RyeBrye:

Anyone ever heard of ACAP before? http://the-acap.org/Implement-ACAP.aspx Apparently these places listed in that PDF (of known implementers to date) are cool with robots and scraping

[22:34:51]

clever:

my toasted mythconverg paritition somehow magicaly mounted itself, and is working fine

[22:35:10]

clever:

damn lvm

[22:36:48]

RyeBrye:

what's interesting is that the hosted.stats.com sports pages are "ACAP enabled" and might faciiltate doing some sports feeds with MythTV (i.e. revive that old recording extender plugin only use that as a datasource)

[22:37:38]

sphery:

where's it say that scraping is allowed?

[22:37:48]

sphery:

wouldn't it have a tag that tells whether it's allowed on each site/page?

[22:37:59]

RyeBrye:

I'm reading more to clarify

[22:38:10]

RyeBrye:

but on the footer of all their pages they have the ACAP-Enabled logo with a link to the ACAP page

[22:38:10]

iamlindoro:

SexFilms69.be, implemented, Belgium.... "magazine"

[22:38:18]

RyeBrye:

http://hosted.stats.com/index.asp

[22:38:38]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I was mostly looking for a sports score feed

[22:39:45]

sphery:

again, where's it say that they all allow robots/scraping?

[22:40:08]

sphery:

the robots stuff sounds more like it's saying they provide a better approach for search engines than robots.txt

[22:40:19]

RyeBrye:

I think it's implied by their robots.txt then

[22:40:21]

RyeBrye:

http://hosted.stats.com/robots.txt

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sphery:

versus saying that "you can download/copy/use all the data on all my pages"

[22:40:54]

sphery:

yeah, so it's site-specific

[22:41:01]

sphery:

and or page-specific

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RyeBrye:

right. but for the hosted.stats.com I can't find any TOS anywhere, and I see the ACAP and their ACAP seems to imply it's cool to grab basically anything on the site... the only provision I see on that site is in the footer that says "no commercial"

[22:43:48]

RyeBrye:

but it's still not very clear and I'll keep looking for some decent free sports xml feed

[22:44:04]

AndrewNC_:

isn't it a little strange that a list of sites supportive of content access is stored in a PDF?

[22:44:19]

RyeBrye:

they're all about irony

[22:44:27]

RyeBrye:

it'd be even better if that pdf was encrpyred

[22:44:39]

sphery:

though the boring parts of PDF are standardized/open

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AndrewNC_:

yeah, it is like if RMS charged for a copy of the GPL and it was in a DRM format

[22:45:01]

RyeBrye:

you didn't pay for your GPL?

[22:45:05]

** RyeBrye thinks he got screwed **

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AndrewNC_:

don't have a kindle to view it

[22:48:07]

AndrewNC_:

looks like it is more about finer grain search engine restriction than allowing users to pull data at will: http://www.ejc.net/magazine/article/letting_g . . . mining_acap/

[22:49:13]

RyeBrye:

oh well :(

[22:50:00]

RyeBrye:

one day robots.txt will be held up in court, mark my words

[22:50:37]

Dagmar:

It'll have a good lawyer. No worries.

[22:51:09]

clever:

RyeBrye: what if it 404's?

[22:51:16]

Dagmar:

...at least until the Artificials Entities For Greater Equality gets involved in the robot discrimination suit.

[22:51:28]

RyeBrye:

That's funny :)

[22:51:44]

RyeBrye:

True. if a computer is self aware does it have to obey robots.txt?

[22:51:58]

Dagmar:

35 years from now when the suit happens, someone will find this in a Google search and say "Holy s**t"

[22:52:24]

RyeBrye:

I'll be like nostradamus

[22:52:57]

AndrewNC_:

SkyNet will fight back

[22:53:02]

Dagmar:

Good thing the Temporal Auditing division has a sense or humor or there'd be cops at my door right now

[22:53:32]

Dagmar:

s/or/of/;

[22:55:02]

Dagmar:

It's all fun and games until a police box shows up on your doorstep

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tmkt:

BlueRay work with Myth?

[22:58:47]

jduggan:

is there a shortkey/jump code in the guide to see schedule information->program details?

[22:59:36]

sphery:

tmkt: Blu-Ray, no. High-definition H.264-encoded video with certain "high definition" audio formats, yes

[22:59:49]

sphery:

tmkt: Blu-Ray is encrypted/inaccessible

[23:04:40]

jduggan:

also, is there a way of seeing what rule was set for a previous recording?

[23:05:38]

jduggan:

i just noticed whilst browsing the guide that something wasnt set to record, upcoming episodes of this title shows episodes, upcoming episodes matching this rule gives nothing, but whats odd is that it has already recorded two episodes

[23:05:44]

jduggan:

so id love to see how i cocked up

[23:05:46]

jduggan:

in the past

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jduggan:

:S

[23:06:15]

jduggan:

where upcoming, is in the info menu of the previously recorded title

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sphery:

jduggan: if it's less than 10 days since it was broadcast, go to Previous Recordings (in mythfrontend under Manage Recordings) and find the episode

[23:12:46]

sphery:

it will show the reason why it didn't record

[23:13:04]

sphery:

you can sort by time or by title using 1 and 2 keys

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seventoes:

im sure this question is asked a lot, but what motherboard is recommended for mythtv?

[23:16:21]

Josh__:

seventoes, that question is entirely subjective. It really depends what type of functionality you need, and how much space you want to devote.

[23:17:26]

seventoes:

i already have a mini-atx (i think) case

[23:17:33]

Josh__:

seventoes, do you (intend?) to have a backend running seperately from your frontends? or a combination FE/BE machine?

[23:17:55]

seventoes:

i intend on using my personal pc as the backend, since i usually won't be using the pc and computer at the same tim

[23:17:57]

seventoes:

time

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jduggan:

sphery: is that assuming it didnt record because of conflicts/backend was shut down? its an upcoming show which isnt set to record... i want to see what the two previous recordings rule was

[23:18:58]

Josh__:

so you're looking more for a frontend-only motherboard. Typical concerns for a frontend are: Small size, quiet operation, video decoding horsepower.

[23:19:09]

sphery:

jduggan: yeah, that's for recordings in the past

[23:19:38]

jduggan:

sphery: in manage recordings->previous recordings, if i hit i it shows the 'do not record this program' like im trying to setup a new recording

[23:19:49]

jduggan:

i want to see what rules i set for that specific recording

[23:19:52]

jduggan:

is that possible?

[23:20:03]

Josh__:

Josh__, Some people have reported good results with the ASUS P5N7A-VM, which has an onboard Geforce 9300 GPU. Personally, I havent been able to get mine working properly, and went with a Gigabyte mini-ATX instead.

[23:20:15]

sphery:

jduggan: yeah, it's showing you the rule for that one--do not record saying you no longer have one that matches

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sphery:

jduggan: meaning you need to create a new one

[23:21:09]

jduggan:

sphery: yea, i appreciate i need a new rule, so there's no way of finding out the exact rule that was previously set?

[23:21:30]

jduggan:

it sounds to me like i selected record one showing of this title, but it actually recorded two

[23:21:37]

jduggan:

one week after the other on teh same day/time

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Josh__:

seventoes, The main points I would consider are: get something compatible with the case you intend on using, and either (a) get a board+proc capable of software decoding, or (b) get a GPU capable of VDPAU. If you can do both then that would obviously be the best solution.

[23:21:45]

jduggan:

and this upcoming is also the same day/time

[23:21:53]

jduggan:

sunday 8pm

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sphery:

no, if you have none that match the old show, you've deleted the rule (or Myth did automatically for a find one)

[23:22:22]

sphery:

jduggan: is it a timeslot rule?

[23:22:23]

jduggan:

ok, i guess i need to be more careful creating rules :P

[23:22:27]

sphery:

if so, they've changed the time on you

[23:22:34]

sphery:

which is why timeslot rules are just plain wrong

[23:22:38]

sphery:

in 99.9999% of cases

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jduggan:

sphery: nope, i selected record at any time on any channel, as its simulcasted on HD channel also, id like to get the HD if the tuners allow

[23:23:25]

tmkt:

so looks like its going to be a pita playing this blueray disc

[23:23:38]

seventoes:

actually now that i think about it.. the backend needs to be running the mythtv software doesnt it? i wouldn't be able to run my normal OS at the same time without a vm?

[23:23:59]

seventoes:

also does mythtv perform well as a backend in a vm? :P

[23:24:22]

Josh__:

seventoes, I'm not aware of anything released that can run natively in windows. I've got no experience running mythtv in a VM.

[23:24:42]

seventoes:

i run OSX actually on my main machine

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sphery:

tmkt: your options are to use a Windows app to rip it/transcode it to a non-DRM'ed version (assuming that's legal where you live) or to play it on a real Blu-Ray player

[23:25:41]

sphery:

seventoes: MythTV is just an application. You can run the mythbackend and mythfrontend applications on any "supported" OS

[23:25:43]

tmkt:

was looking into dumpHD

[23:26:05]

sphery:

(where, IMHO, GNU/Linux is the only supported OS, but some actually run it on Mac OS X or Windows)

[23:26:19]

sphery:

tmkt: most seem to use AnyDVD + Any<something>

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seventoes:

sphery: cool, so i'd be able to run the backend software on my mac, and have a seperate frontend machine running the premade mythtv distro?

[23:26:46]

tmkt:

for keydb.cfg?

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sphery:

http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

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sphery:

seventoes: for the backend, you're much more limited because you need to have a capture card that works using V4L (which is only Linux) or an HDHR or maybe a firewire or something on Mac OS

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Josh__:

seventoes, your backend OS has to support the capture cards you plan on using as well.

[23:27:59]

seventoes:

ah i see

[23:28:07]

sphery:

seventoes: best bet is probably to just make whatever machine you plan to use for the frontend running MythBuntu into a combined frontend/backend machine

[23:28:43]

seventoes:

yeah ill probably do that then

[23:29:42]

seventoes:

ill do some looking at the specs of the hardware in the case i have to see if i need to buy anything

[23:30:56]

seventoes:

what kind of power supply you think would be needed? theres a fanless one in the case but i have no idea how much power it has.. no markings at all

[23:35:42]

seventoes:

also are there any ISA tuner cards? the board only has ISA slots

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slowone:

O,o

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laga:

slowone: ++

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seventoes:

lol, i have no idea how old it is but im guessing 'pretty damn'

[23:37:53]

seventoes:

no USB slots T_T

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Josh__:

seventoes, drop that mobo

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seventoes:

yeah thought so

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Josh__:

that's probably an early i686 or a late i586

[23:39:12]

Josh__:

wait, only ISA?

[23:39:18]

Josh__:

486/586

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seventoes:

lol wow

[23:40:28]

Josh__:

splurge and get a Core2 system, you won't be let down.

[23:40:49]

Josh__:

mobo for around $50, proc probably $80 ish.

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seventoes:

not too bad

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Josh__:

I'll bet that mobo (and the case for that matter) isnt even ATX form factor.

[23:42:54]

seventoes:

i looked a little and it kind of looks like nano-itx

[23:43:38]

seventoes:

i think T_T

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Josh__:

seventoes, from what you describe, that board is neither capable of software encoding, nor will it accept any card capable of VDPAU.

[23:44:09]

seventoes:

yeah i dont think ill be using the board

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Josh__:

software *decoding* rather.

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Josh__:

seventoes, find a model number yet/

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sphery:

seventoes: Oh, my goodness! I can't believe I almost missed an opportunity to say, "I /highly/ recommend an 80 PLUS power supply!"

[23:44:34]

seventoes:

haha

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seventoes:

i don't have the board with me, its at my school atm

[23:44:55]

seventoes:

gotta get it from there, probably will on wednesday

[23:45:02]

sphery:

I love 80 PLUS PSU's... I'm saving probably $10+/mo because of them

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Josh__:

sphery, 80+ psu is the least of my power worries.

[23:45:56]

sphery:

I've replaced the PSU in all of my always-on systems and saw usage drops equating to savings from between $0.50/mo to $2.00/mo per computer.

[23:45:59]

seventoes:

bleh so research stops till i get the case :(

[23:46:20]

Josh__:

My house is 20-ish years old. The insulation in the walls has fallen down. My power bill last month was around $500 USD.

[23:46:26]

sphery:

and, yeah, a nice Core 2 (low TDP) will be a good system

[23:46:55]

sphery:

or a good new low-TDP Athlon 64

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sphery:

Josh__: woah... that's crazy

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laga:

do you heat with electricity?

[23:48:38]

Josh__:

sphery, hopefully when we actually buy the house, we'll be able to get enough extra to rip off all the exterior siding and be able to re-insulate the walls.

[23:48:44]

sphery:

I'm in the hottest month of the year in humid FL, running 7 computers 24/7 (for about $6/mo each) and have had the air conditioning on (since February) and my power bill last month was $155

[23:48:45]

Josh__:

laga, no, gas appliances.

[23:49:23]

laga:

Josh__: then what do you do to get $500 *per month* for electricity?

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Josh__:

laga, ^^^

[23:49:53]

Josh__:

insulation is important, apparently.

[23:49:58]

slowone:

i am hopeing he is heating a olympic size swiming pool

[23:50:00]

sphery:

actually, the computers range in power usage from $6/mo to $10/mo

[23:50:30]

sphery:

oh, here's one that's only $4/mo :)

[23:51:00]

sphery:

oh, wait, that was without SETI running... so it's really $9/mo

[23:51:12]

sphery:

wow, finding aliens sure is expensive

[23:51:17]

laga:

Josh__: so gas is part of the "power" bill?

[23:51:29]

Josh__:

laga, no. Gas is seperate.

[23:51:51]

sphery:

that's probably for his air conditioning

[23:51:56]

Josh__:

laga, its hot where we are. We run Air Conditioning in august / september, not Heat.

[23:52:11]

Josh__:

*grin*

[23:52:32]

sphery:

if so, sounds like maybe a good time to take advantage of the US government and local power company rebates for installing a more efficient A/C unit

[23:52:46]

slowone:

whats the cost per kilowatt hour?

[23:52:57]

sphery:

(actually, US is probably a tax credit--that they did 1yr after I replaced my unit)

[23:53:02]

Josh__:

sphery, that would help. The real problem though is the fact that the A/C runs non-stop during the day.

[23:53:11]

sphery:

yeah, that's not good

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Josh__:

slowone, about 8c / kwh

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sphery:

wow... I used to have cheap $0.08/kWh electricity, but I'm closer to $0.12/kWh now

[23:53:55]

sphery:

(that's why I started paying more attention to computer power usage :)

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slowone:

wow i would double my powerbill if i were in florida @.@

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Josh__:

sphery, I'm actually more interested in that $8000 tax credit for new homebuyers if they close before November.

[23:55:44]

sigkill_:

hey, if one wanted to take a HD recording and make it a lower bitrate (basically want to watch it on a SD only capable machine), should one transcode using mythtranscode? or do you set custom jobs and use something like mencoder/ffmpeg? please do forgive my ignorance here

[23:56:05]

sphery:

Josh__: ah, yeah, another one I missed out on due to poor timing

[23:56:08]

Josh__:

sigkill_, I belive mtd should be capable of that.

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sphery:

and then I bought my new card in Dec last year, so I couldn't get the cash for clunkers

[23:56:35]

Josh__:

slowone, I'm in Houston. The low for today was 74.

[23:57:06]

sphery:

and I don't need a DTV converter box, so I didn't get one (unlike a lot of people who saw free and government and got them even though they didn't need/don't use them)

[23:57:07]

Josh__:

sphery, hah, "cash for clunkers". That promotion was not directly aimed at helping the environment :)

[23:57:17]

sigkill_:

Josh__, excellent, am i right in thinking, though, that using mythtranscode it will actually transcode the original recording so i end up with no HD and only the transcoded variant?

[23:57:17]

sphery:

so, basically, I'm missing out on basically all the government handouts

[23:57:21]

sphery:

oh, and bailouts

[23:57:33]

sphery:

didn't get any of that action, either

[23:57:39]

Josh__:

sphery, haha. You need to get yourself a sugga momma and pop out a couple welfare kids.

[23:57:46]

sphery:

heh

[23:58:22]

Josh__:

sigkill_, i'm thinking that's correct, but founded on nothing. Mabye someone that knows more about mtd has an opinion?

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sphery:

don't think I'd ever get to work on Myth if I did that... Unless I took parenting advice from Clara

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sphery:

(The Guild reference)

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Josh__:

sphery, OMG

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Josh__:

bwahaha

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Josh__:

the "lock your kids in the kitchen" method of parenting?

[23:59:21]

sphery:

yeah

[23:59:49]

sphery:

and lie to your SO so they take the kids to your sister's wedding and you can stay home on the computer

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