Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 13th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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aphyd:

colors are like big squares that move around

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juski:

I had an epia system as a frontend for a while, hence my hostility towards the platform

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paperclip:

yeah.. the hw acceleration never really came to fruition

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paperclip:

this one was a cash register for a bit..

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aphyd:

anybody listening to me?

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juski:

it was ok when the accel worked properly.. but I ran into a weird issue on recordings from BBC channels. It had to go

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juski:

aphyd: some ramblings about swirling colours

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paperclip:

aphyd: yes.. don't eat the brown acid

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mag0o:

anyone bought anything from the new circuitcity.com?

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aphyd:

in other words the tv is displayed into blocks of color and they move around

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juski:

the tv from what?

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juski:

recordings?

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aphyd:

liveTV

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juski:

be *specific* man

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aphyd:

from the tuner

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juski:

otherwise you may aswell just say "muh,, it no worky!"

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aphyd:

I don't know the technical name for this phenomenom

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juski:

sounds like it's borked

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mag0o:

discombobulated

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iamlindoro:

It's called PEBKAC

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aphyd:

ok, it's a CRT screen

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juski:

have you tried turning it off & turning it back on again?

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iamlindoro:

Is the power cable plugged in?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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aphyd:

computer CRT monitor

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paperclip:

heh.. i was just telling a friend about the show "the I.T. Crowd"

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juski:

a little bit of into about the tuner card might help

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paperclip:

half the dialog is "is it plugged in? have you rebooted it? how many times?"

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mag0o:

info too

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juski:

paperclip: the actual *tech* support they do in the show is not that much

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paperclip:

no..

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mag0o:

i had the qt painter give me nvp prebuffer pauses this evening with svn, should i report that?

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juski:

that's just the spiel they give on the phone to avoid having to do any work. Yknow like real IT depts

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aphyd:

I mean it looks fine is just the colors have like movement in their own range

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paperclip:

it's pretty hilarious tho.. mostly them being awkward geeks..

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juski:

pretty hilarious? Christ almighty talk about an understatement

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paperclip:

juski: i liked the one with the wheelchair at the theater..

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juski:

it's Father Ted 2.0

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paperclip:

hah

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mag0o:

anyone like/dislike sharp aquos?

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juski:

my fave one is the one where Jen wins Employee of The Month & she gives a presentation about the internet

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paperclip:

why bother when there is samsung for slightly less?

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paperclip:

i've only seen the first two seasons.. were there more?

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aphyd:

iamlindoro: what's PEBKAC?

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juski:

tip: don't buy goods from manufacturers who have a name you could cut yourself on ;)

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juski:

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

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mag0o:

sharp 52" lcd is $200 less than the comparable 52" samsung @ newegg

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juski:

mag0o: so audition them & see which looks best to you

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juski:

wonder whatever happened to that. trying before buying

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mag0o:

hehe

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paperclip:

mag0o: 52" woo

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mag0o:

the intarweb happened to try before you buy

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juski:

doesn't stop you trying the stuff out in real shops :P

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paperclip:

look on avsforum too

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juski:

no, do NOT look on AVSforum

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juski:

not if you want to remain unconfused

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mag0o:

yeah, i'll have to agree with that

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mag0o:

it did confuse me the one time i went there

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mag0o:

im easily confused though

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paperclip:

i like it for information on a specific tv..

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juski:

talk about anal. sheesh

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paperclip:

and the local hd info is pretty much the only place i've found

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juski:

in the context of how they go on about product comparisons, I mean :)

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paperclip:

well.. it is Anal Video Science Forum dot com

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juski:

muh, which one should I buy? These two are the same price.. which starts reams of replies about how they should buy neither, save up for one costing 10 times the price

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mag0o:

haha

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wagnerrp:

oof... out of battery

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wagnerrp:

back to the wired mouse

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mag0o:

ok, time to go wash the little one up before i put her to bed

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aphyd:

mythtv doesn't have a comic viewer

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laga_:

could use mythnews

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paperclip:

i think he means cbz/cbr

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aphyd:

yes

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iamlindoro:

mythtv doesn't get me coffee when I ask

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iamlindoro:

myth devs are dicks

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laga_:

hint: if a web comic does not come with an RSS feed, chances are the author wants you to visit their website

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laga_:

what is cbz?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv doesn't finish my spreadsheets

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paperclip:

zipped scans from a comic book

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iamlindoro:

mythtv doesn't make me more popular with $genderOfChoice

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paperclip:

cbr is rar'd scans

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iamlindoro:

freaking MythTV

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aphyd:

mm.. I am not bashing mythtv, I just noticed that.

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paperclip:

pretty high rez

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laga_:

paperclip, aphyd: any legal source for those?

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iamlindoro:

no

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aphyd:

personal collection

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paperclip:

there's probably one legal one out there..

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paperclip:

there are readers.. you can add them to the menu..

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aphyd:

yes I was using comical

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aphyd:

qt :)

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sphery:

So, I guess comics want to be free, too...

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aphyd:

comical can be added to the menu?

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AndyCap:

sphery: what is fascinating is that unlike ripping a movie scanning a magazine is a lot of wok.

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laga_:

there are automated solutions

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laga_:

but i guess they're $$

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aphyd:

bak up comics :)

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sphery:

yeah, and it used to be that the fair use doctrine specifically allowed certain types of copying for fair use but /required/ you to do the work yourself

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: an erector set and some RS232 know-how will do all the work for you

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wagnerrp:

although now days, i guess people would be using lego technics/mindstorms sets and bluetooth

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sphery:

mainly because they figured if it was time-intensive (or money-/resource-intensive), then people wouldn't do enough copying to be a problem (like photo-copying pages from books at the library)

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sphery:

now people seem to think that once someone has done the work, they can get the same benefits without the cost by just making a digital copy of the copy he made

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wagnerrp:

did google ever release their image filter that de-curves photographs of books?

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sphery:

and that's just the people who /actually/ own a copy of the media (versus those who blatantly steal it)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: hmm, you coculd just do that with hugin too

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sphery:

In my opinion, both are stealing, but I can understand those who only steal the time much more than those who steal the time and content.

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sphery:

hugin ftw!

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Dagmar:

You're still effectively requierd to do the work yourself, since it requires original media

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sphery:

but compiling the prereq's for that takes forever (enblend was the bad one, IIRC)

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Dagmar:

Watch Lessig's speech at TED

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: this was some automated method, where they projected an infrared grid on the book, took a shot of the grid pattern to produce a 3D shape, and then used that to 'de-curve' the resulting photograph of the page

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wagnerrp:

looks like Hugin requires you to do all the work yourself

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sphery:

Dagmar: that's what I'm saying, I believe that you /should/ have to do the work yourself, but it seems many people don't get that

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sphery:

thanks for the pointer to the TED talk, though

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Dagmar:

Lessig is awesome

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I dunno, but I'd try with autopano sift and see.

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wagnerrp:

ripping books is still a lengthy process

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wagnerrp:

but honestly, ripping video (DVDs) is usually faster than downloading them anymore

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sphery:

yeah, but doesn't help those who are trying to sidestep the whole, "paying for the license to view the media" part

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wagnerrp:

x264 at full resolution, maybe some de-graining, and pretty high quality options will run DVD video at better than real time on any quad core CPU

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wagnerrp:

and thats at a quantizer of 18, which is supposed to be effectively lossless, and overkill

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MarcT:

yay, finally resolved an issue I was having.

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MarcT:

Comcast in my area hadded all the extended basic channels into the digital stream

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MarcT:

I used scte65scan to add the channels to my digital lineup.. But none of the shows populated even after I added the XML ID's for them.

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iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --refresh-today

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MarcT:

originally I thought it was because the channel names and call signs did not match on the digital and analog sources.. that only fixed the issue with channels showing twice in the lineup.

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MarcT:

turns out that the ATSC major number is very important, the script leaves that blank.

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paperclip:

i never though be saying.. "wish i had comcast"

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: you only get standard definition over those channels

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paperclip:

how many channels are in the "extended basic"

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wagnerrp:

and there is the impending lockout looming on the horizon, now that they got their crypto waiver

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: saves me from encoding them tho

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Dagmar:

They what?

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wagnerrp:

why would you have to encode them?

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Dagmar:

Who got their crypto waiver?

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paperclip:

so you think they are going to cut analog all together..

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: they got their waiver to enable the 'privacy mode' on their DTAs

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sphery:

only have to provide must-carry's in the clear

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wagnerrp:

it was big news two weeks or so back

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Dagmar:

Meaning?

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: i only have analog cable

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paperclip:

so.. they did cut analog already..

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wagnerrp:

meaning they roll out a firmware upgrade, turn on privacy mode on those DTAs, and now digital extended basic is no longer clear QAM

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** paperclip is confused **

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sphery:

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_ . . . amp;site=cdn

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Dagmar:

Digital Extended Basic isn't ClearQAM here and hasn't been for awhile

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paperclip:

ah

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paperclip:

he's using a box, eh?

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wagnerrp:

it is in areas where comcast has released DTAs

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sphery:

yeah, but regular basic need not be clearqam anymore

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Dagmar:

The only things you've been able to get ClearQAM for have been the channels that are broadcast in the clear in otehr cities, like WGN and so on

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wagnerrp:

the DTA is a cheap little $1/mo box, that doesnt have the expensive modular cablelabs hardware

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sphery:

and local broadcast channels that aren't must-carry's need no longer be clear

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sphery:

http://www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sec . . . ite=cdn&

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paperclip:

hmm.. we only have locals clear QAM here..

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Dagmar:

Dude this doesn't mean what you've been told

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Dagmar:

This opened the door for them to formally say "f**k cable card, you ain't gettin away from us"

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Dagmar:

It doesn't affect ClearQAM broadcasting of channels that are elsewhere broadcast in the clear (like PBS)

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wagnerrp:

what it does is it lets them drop their analog channels without a huge backlash from their customer base about requiring them to rent expensive cable boxes

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paperclip:

yeah.. i see them dropping analog..

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Dagmar:

...and like I've been saying, it's just a matter of time before they eliminate clearQAM of channels that aren't exempted from crypto

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wagnerrp:

this is in no way affecting cablecard

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Dagmar:

http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_ . . . amp;site=cdn

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Dagmar:

I contest that

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, traditional cable boxes are incapable of receiving these 'privacy mode' transmissions

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Dagmar:

The waivers give Comcast and, potentially, other operators the green light to deploy those inexpensive, one-way "channel zappers" (they cost about $35 each) with security enabled, thereby sidestepping an integrated security ban that took effect in July 2007. Those waivers will also give MSOs access to simple digital-to-analog converter boxes that cost much less than entry-level, interactive set-tops that rely on removable CableCARDs to decrypt an

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paperclip:

didn't they just sort of open up cable card.. at least for MS MCE?

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wagnerrp:

so they still have to broadcast those same channels using traditional means

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: they let end users purchase the cards, as opposed to requiring you to use an OEM box with a special board and a custom firmware

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wagnerrp:

but they in no way have opened up the architecture

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Dagmar:

THAT is the big thing

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Dagmar:

CAbleCard was supposed to open markets for people to make DVRs

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Dagmar:

s/people/large corporations/;

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paperclip:

ahh.. shouldn't they eventually be less expensive.

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Dagmar:

They dont' want that

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Dagmar:

They want people to rent cableboxes from them, which they'll be leasing anyway

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wagnerrp:

now people can make their own DVRs, assuming theyre using windows 7 media center

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Dagmar:

I don't see how

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Dagmar:

This cuts cablecard out as something they even have to pretend to like

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: what do they care, they charge almost as much for a cablecard rental as they do a STB

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paperclip:

i wonder if there will be dll type hacks to allow linux users access

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wagnerrp:

and its not like they lose control over the content

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Dagmar:

I'm sure in another five years they might roll out a premium service that allows you to use Windows 7

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Dagmar:

Until then, it's going to be their boxes and their boxes only

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wagnerrp:

they have just as much control over that recorded content as they do on their own DVRs

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Dagmar:

They don't even _offer_ cablecard units here

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wagnerrp:

dont they have to offer cablecard?

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wagnerrp:

isnt that the whole point of the FCC requiring modular cable boxes?

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Dagmar:

This isn't about control of the content, this about them enforcing their sole access to the revenue stream provided by renting customers cable card

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Dagmar:

They've basically made the argument that the cablecard capable units are too expensive

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Dagmar:

...so instead of getting a cablecard from them you are now "allowed" to get yet another STB

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Dagmar:

So yes, they're basically ignoring what the FCC wanted there and lawyering their way back to "We are the sole source for your connecting equipment"

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I got $100 coming for my birthday

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mattwj2002:

:D

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laga_:

great

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mattwj2002:

yup

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laga_:

you should give it to the poor

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Dagmar:

They were previously required to have CableCard ready by July 1st. They failed

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mattwj2002:

anyone in mind?

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wagnerrp:

well i have to get ready to go

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wagnerrp:

seems my cousin goes up on stage in 45 minutes

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wagnerrp:

theres about a dozen of us older cousins who are going to watch

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laga_:

bring the laptop?

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mattwj2002:

I guess I could build another computer with my money

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wagnerrp:

take a laptop to a bar, so i can continue being antisocial?

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mattwj2002:

I have a quad core processor laying around..... that could be put to use

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wagnerrp:

mattwj2002: build a computer on $100?

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aphyd:

pay a mythtv dev

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mattwj2002:

no

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mattwj2002:

put that would certainly help

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mattwj2002:

I all ready have a used hard drive and monitor I could use

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mattwj2002:

and keyboard and mouse

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mattwj2002:

I think all I would need is a motherboard, some ram and a case

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mattwj2002:

with power supply

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aphyd:

and a tuner

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laga_:

take that money and ask $her out ;)

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aphyd:

lol

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iamlindoro:

or $him

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wagnerrp:

is that going to be enough?

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iamlindoro:

we don't judge

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mattwj2002:

haha

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aphyd:

$100 for hanging around??

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mattwj2002:

her

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aphyd:

wtf

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mattwj2002:

:P

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Dagmar:

If you were thikning that someday you could have access to a "wide array" of devices like DVRs that you could buy instead of renting one from Comcast, you can now officially forget it for three more years at least

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: considering where you are, you'd probably get lynched if you judged

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iamlindoro:

Oh I dunno, lynching is pretty judgmental :)

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squidly:

Hmm. Running trunk the program guide seems to only show the current house

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squidly:

hour*

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sphery:

don't use LiveTV

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squidly:

sphery: ??

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sphery:

look at the GUI program guide

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paperclip:

press M

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wagnerrp:

lot of recordings in the next two weeks

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sphery:

yeah, I even have a conflict with 4 tuners and only OTA

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mattwj2002:

:O

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wagnerrp:

heh... i havent yet spilled over onto my third

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wagnerrp:

although there was something a friend told me i should record, dont remember what

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mag0o:

who was it talking about 3d tv the other day...

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mag0o:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Overview.html

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wagnerrp:

oh, community starts up too

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laga_:

meshe was

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wagnerrp:

nope, still two tuners

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sphery:

strange... all my new recording schedules have a last recorded date of 2008-06–24 20:30:31

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'll be it was the Jay Leno Show

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sphery:

only one I can see that really looks interesting is FlashForward

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wagnerrp:

flashforward added... still only two tuners

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wagnerrp:

of course im looking at enough recordings to burn through my current free space

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juski:

3dtv.. what a load

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juski:

like HD is suddenly old

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mattwj2002:

what are you talking juski?

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iamlindoro:

Whatchu talkin' bout, willis?

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juski:

3d tv. HD hasn't been around for that long and yet it's already about to be superceded if we're to believe the marketing BS

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iamlindoro:

(though it made sense to me

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iamlindoro:

)

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juski:

methinks consumers will grow weary of the product development cycle

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juski:

woo another new thing we have to lay out loads of cash on because the last thing we laid out a lot of cash on is old a year later? neat!

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sphery:

or, if nothing else, the re-purchase cycle

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mattwj2002:

marketing people should be pulled into a field and shot

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mattwj2002:

same will sales people

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mattwj2002:

they both annoy the crap out of me

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juski:

maybe nothing to people sucked into the constant PC hardware arms race, but that doesn't account for much of the buying public

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juski:

I suppose after 3d has been out a while it'll take a fair amount of time to trump it :)

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sphery:

4dtv

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sphery:

of course, they'll get sued for using that name

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juski:

hope it gets the video2000 treatment :D

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juski:

or better yet, minidisc

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juski:

I dunno, maybe it's gonna be great & all but I just think it's a bit sodding cheeky of them to whip it out so soon. all those bluray movies you've got in 2d? Now remastered in threedee. Buy them again!

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juski:

hey let's have a little sweepstake. how long before the first time somebody asks "is mythtv good with 3dtv?"

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iamlindoro:

Ha, said it two days ago

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iamlindoro:

;)

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juski:

yeah but as a joke presumably

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iamlindoro:

yes :)

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iamlindoro:

Blah, soooo many screens, schedule editor

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squidly:

ok can someone tell me what PBP Means

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squidly:

I get PIP

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iamlindoro:

Picture By Picture

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squidly:

ahh ok

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squidly:

thanks

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squidly:

that rocks!

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iamlindoro:

np

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squidly:

looks like it has a bit of a dealy

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squidly:

but wow it's cool!

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

does anything like this work with mythtv?

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mattwj2002:

http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-MFP51S-Alum . . . 7&sr=1-1

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Dagmar:

That's a case, right?

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mattwj2002:

nope

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mattwj2002:

it goes in a 5.25 slot

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm not reassembling that multiline link

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squidly:

it looks like it will work. I have a similar Remote Control for my frontend but idk if it will or not

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mattwj2002:

I am looking to buy a case with a power supply

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mattwj2002:

is there one with a built in display?

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** mattwj2002 searches the wiki **

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squidly:

mattwj2002: let me get you the case I got

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mattwj2002:

sure what is it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: That looks like an iMon LCD in a 5.25" form factor.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: That's what's built-in to my Antec Fusion Black 430 case.

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squidly:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129054

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: That is what I was thinking. But I was unsure if my LCD was an iMON or something else (it works now I dont really care what it's called now)

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squidly:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Yep, the case that squidly linked is the one I have... seems to have come down in price... ;-)

[02:21:16]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: yea it has

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squidly:

when I got it, $200

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mattwj2002:

anything else expensive and with a power supply?

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mattwj2002:

*less expensive

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: I think I paid ~180 for mine – when CompUSA went out of business. But it was slightly damaged (box had been dropped a few times apparently), but I was able to fix it. (no returns/exchanges as the store was closing)

[02:23:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

squidly, mattwj2002 — gee, that version doesn't include the power supply like mine did...

[02:24:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Apparently the one with the PS is a "Deactivated Item"... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 30-_-Product

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J-e-f-f-A:

squi

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squidly:

yea

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squidly:

it was

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: (oops!) The only thing I wish they'd done different with this case is stood the p.s. up on edge to allow a full-size ATX mb... uAtx is limiting.

[02:26:57]

squidly:

in Mine the PSU/cdrom compartment is seperate from the MoBo area

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: Yeah, that's the exact case I have, but I happened to buy it when the 430W supply was included.

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mag0o:

on -dev, are 'me too' or 'happens here too' emails useful?

[02:28:03]

mag0o:

does that sort of help to sort out if its a single user or a reproducable error?

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squidly:

ahh

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: I think mine has an updates LCD display

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, no. Not even a little bit

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mag0o:

k

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iamlindoro:

they're the opposite of helpful :)

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squidly:

but I got a Silent 550W psu with a led and it's got those detachable puwer cables

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mag0o:

figured as much, but since i've only been there a day or two i figured i'd make sure.

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, the truth is in general (but not always) what many people see as "bugs" are things we haven't finished yet

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mag0o:

logical enough

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iamlindoro:

and speaking for myself, it gets under my skin when folks use software that hasn't been released and then want to complain about stuff we are in the middle of working on

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J-e-f-f-A:

especially with trunk. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

I am not accusing you of that, just explaining my frustration at times

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iamlindoro:

The best way to find out if it's something we know about is to open a very well written bug (after having searched for an existing one

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mag0o:

i'm definately not expecting stability out of trunk

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mag0o:

only went to it b/c slackware 13 comes with qt4 and it was too much to install the kde compat packages and get it working

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mag0o:

:)

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Dagmar:

You only needed the one qt3 package from that

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J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: Well, 0.22 will be released soon, so you won't be on the 'bleeding edge' anymore when it arrives. ;-)

[02:34:22]

mag0o:

Dagmar: i did the qt3-compat (or whatever package) and ran into some issues when compiling myth

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Dagmar:

It worked here

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mag0o:

really?

[02:34:54]

Dagmar:

Yes, but then I've been building the thing from scratch for a long time now

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mag0o:

anything special passed to configure?

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Dagmar:

I'm still trying decide if I want to keep the custom Qt build

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mag0o:

same here

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mag0o:

but i dont do anything fancy

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mag0o:

i may have to build a vm and give it another try

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mag0o:

see where i messed up

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mag0o:

this 13.0 box i have now is the first one where i tried to use slackbuilds for everything

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Dagmar:

That's a good start

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Dagmar:

Life is much easier when things are only installed as packages you can remove cleanly

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mag0o:

yeah, i used to just rebuild my box every time they released

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mag0o:

gave me lots of good practice on setting things up

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squidly:

mag0o: that is part of the reason I dropped slackware

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squidly:

but I did that back when slak was at version 8

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mag0o:

hehe, i picked it up @ 8

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squidly:

are there any working podcast plug-in's for trunk

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squidly:

lol

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squidly:

I went to fbsd for about a year after that

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sphery:

qt3-compat sounds a lot like the Qt4 package for apps that are only partially ported to Qt4 (like Myth). It does /not/ sounds like a package for Qt3.

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Dagmar:

That's not what's in slack 13 tho.

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Dagmar:

In the extras/kde3-compat directory he's just got a relatively normal qt3 package

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mag0o:

it was qt3–3.3.8b

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mag0o:

yeah, the one in extra

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mag0o:

hmm, for hhgregg to be an electronics store, you'd figure their website would be a bit more user friendly with better filtering options

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squidly:

anyone using lirc to push commands to an external program in myth?

[02:50:11]

squidly:

anyeone got an example of how to do that?

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tank-man:

if it is an external program, what do you mean "in myth"

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tank-man:

I use lirc with amarok too

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mag0o:

J-e-f-f-A: speaking of bleeding edge to .22, is there an 'upgrade' path for that? i think i remember reading that there isn't, but don't recall

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squidly:

tank-man: here is the situation. I need to control my tv via an rs-232 connection (volume and power, and what not). But I'm not sure how LIRC would need to be configured to do that

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Dagmar:

It wouldn't

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Dagmar:

Check contrib

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Dagmar:

There's an external channel changer program that works with certain serial devices

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mattwj2002:

well guys

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mattwj2002:

I think a HTPC case is out of my price range

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squidly:

mattwj2002: I saved up for mine.

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squidly:

my fiancee is in love with it now

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mattwj2002:

can you guys recommend a good LCD display for a good price?

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mattwj2002:

not a monitor

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mag0o:

im thinking ion bolted onto the back of whatever tv i get

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mattwj2002:

http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-MFP51S-Alum . . . 2&sr=1-7

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mattwj2002:

something like that would work with mythtv

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squidly:

Dagmar: I'm writing the application to deal with my tv. I just need to get LIRC to not pass the command to mythtv. but run an external script

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squidly:

(much like the channel changers)

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sphery:

irexec

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squidly:

sphery: ok Thanks. That is what I though but I was not sure

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mag0o:

any objections to toshiba lcd tv's?

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squidly:

none afaik. I have an LG plasma though

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Dagmar:

What? No mention of the known fact that they contain ninjas who will kill your family?

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mag0o:

oh noes

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mag0o:

squidly: are you happy with the plasma?

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squidly:

lol

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squidly:

mag0o: Yep

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squidly:

works well

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squidly:

I have to be careful though or risk burnin

[03:24:31]

mag0o:

with myth screens?

[03:26:01]

mag0o:

man, now that im actually looking to buy a tv, i have to figure out what looks best, 720p/1080i/p...etc

[03:26:03]

squidly:

mag0o: not just myth screens

[03:26:11]

squidly:

but with my xbox

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mag0o:

ah

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squidly:

I just keep the contrast and brightness down below 50% and it reduces the burn-in risk

[03:26:45]

squidly:

I have a 720p

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mag0o:

i found a 50" lg plasma, 720p for about $900

[03:27:19]

squidly:

mag0o: 50pg30?

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mag0o:

50PQ30

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squidly:

ok

[03:29:12]

squidly:

the newest versions

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squidly:

they are very good

[03:29:21]

squidly:

I have the last year version

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squidly:

42"

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mag0o:

and for $300 more i can get it in 1080p

[03:29:58]

mag0o:

50PS60

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mag0o:

anyone know what this is for in the tv specs? 9.514 feet altitude

[03:33:35]

mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

question for you

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mattwj2002:

would a ATi Radeon HD3200 chipset be crap for mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

unless you had a CPU that could do all the work you want it to do, yes

[03:35:07]

mag0o:

if given a choice, go nvidia

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iamlindoro:

if you are hoping for it to do any video decode, it cannot under linux

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iamlindoro:

if you want GPU offload, as mag0o said, get a recent model nVidia board

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mattwj2002:

ok

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mattwj2002:

dang it

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dserban_:

totally myth unrelated, but do you know if the latest nvidia linux drivers still support the geforce 6 line?

[03:39:31]

mag0o:

im hoping they backport vdpau to the mx4 series

[03:39:56]

squidly:

dserban_: the ones in ubuttu do

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dserban_:

squidly, so the latest in jaunty right

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dserban_:

?

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

totally off topic

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mag0o:

hehe, one of the dlp tv's im looking at has a "D ready feature makes entertainment viewing even more captivating"

[03:40:42]

mag0o:

there it is folks, 1080p tv *IN 3D*

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dserban_:

not sure how vdpau would enhance my experience yet :P

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mattwj2002:

do you guys know any big computer stores like microcenter?

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mag0o:

oops, that should be a "3D ready...

[03:41:16]

mattwj2002:

we don't have a fry's in my area either

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squidly:

dserban_: I dnot know if it's the bleading edge but it works well for me

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mag0o:

mattwj2002: i always just use newegg

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mattwj2002:

I was thinking more bricks and morter

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squidly:

newegg or frys

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mag0o:

so why is a 60" 1080p dlp the same price as a 50" 720p lcd? both are around $900

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squidly:

mag0o: dlp is still a tube system

[03:43:51]

squidly:

iirc

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mag0o:

thus, the lower price?

[03:44:17]

squidly:

iirc yes

[03:45:03]

mag0o:

i can see how the avg consumer can be overwhelmed by all of this info and believe the best buy guy

[03:45:34]

mag0o:

these product 'features' are fill with so many buzz words and meaningless jargon that it makes my head hurt

[03:45:46]

mag0o:

like the ones that have altitude listed...

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squidly:

lol

[03:46:53]

mag0o:

hmm, i need to find somehting i recorded from an ota hd source and burn it, then bring it to the store with me to watch

[03:47:19]

squidly:

lol

[03:47:26]

mag0o:

(i know the dvd wont be hd, but you get the idea)

[03:48:03]

mag0o:

this is where a portable slave backend/frontend would come in handy, on a laptop

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mag0o:

Touch Of Color (r) ...with a stylish gray tone

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aphyd:

hi?

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squidly:

hello

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bobertson:

Does anyone know what a bunch of "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." followed by what appears to be an endless parade of "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" means? I have no trouble watching/hearing the shows through xawtv/tvtime, and /dev/dsp is outputting what it should be, however whenever I try to watch or record something I get this and the frontend & backend freeze up.

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[R]:

i find it extremely difficult to see when some controls are active when i'm going throug hteh set up in mythfrontend with the Terra theme... is there some maigcal trick to make them easier to see they are selecgted? like i just noticed there is a very thin border on buttons that i can't normally see unless i look really closely at the tv

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Dagmar:

That's your Qt theme at work

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[R]:

i have it set to "Windows"

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drenyx:

Dagmar: did you see I said I figured out the splashy thing?

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[R]:

well motif is ugly as hell... but i guess its easier to see with that one

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Dagmar:

What was going wrong with it?

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drenyx:

just needed to run after udev in rc.S it seemed

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Dagmar:

Well, that's pretty much what I was saying

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Dagmar:

Something it needed in /proc or /dev wasn't there at the outset

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[R]:

so my frontend is still crashing with vdpau... anyone have any tips? i'm trying to play with gdb now

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mattwj2002:

well guys

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mattwj2002:

I have pieced together an inexpensive system for under $300 not including the cpu (I have that)

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josh_:

Wow, the new hdhomerun channel scanner in trunk seems to be working *loads* better than the old 0.21-fixes.

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mattwj2002:

how so josh_?

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iamlindoro:

It's not specific to any card, the whole channel scanner was ripped out and rewritten

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mattwj2002:

I have a hdhomerun

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iamlindoro:

What device does not matter

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mattwj2002:

what are the improvements?

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iamlindoro:

accuracy, thread safety, code cleanliness

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

accuracy would be great

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iamlindoro:

closer conformance to standards, DVB-S2 support, etc. etc. etc.

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mattwj2002:

:)

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josh_:

matt2154_, for one, it's actually finding the channels. The old scanner would timeout before it got a good channel lock, and only come back with 10 or so channels.

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

:D

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josh_:

I'm not finished scanning yet, but I am noticing a difference.

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mattwj2002:

when is the new version of mythtv coming out?

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iamlindoro:

next couple weeks

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

:D

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[R]:

very nice... how much

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[R]:

:)

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mattwj2002:

[R] are you asking me?

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josh_:

mattwj2002, development has already been locked, they're just working on bugfixes now, from what I'm reading.

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josh_:

and the channel scanner is actually showing the PID in the console

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josh_:

could mean a lot better results from EIT

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[R]:

lol

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josh_:

Now if only Comcast-Houston would switch to digital

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josh_:

forgetting what they're calling it, it's the cable equivalent of the digital-to-analog switch for broadcast.

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[R]:

mattwj2002: twas a joke

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josh_:

erg

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josh_:

analog-to-digital switch rather.

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mattwj2002:

oh okay :P

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[R]:

i think its called "cable companies trying to screw users some more"

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mattwj2002:

com take it up the *** :P

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mattwj2002:

I got vonage yesterday

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mattwj2002:

I was having some problems....

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mattwj2002:

the first person I wanted to blame was comcast because I know they have screwed with packets before

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mattwj2002:

it turned out to be something else

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josh_:

[R], Especially considering that during the broadcast DTV switch, the cable companies were touting "but you're on comcast, this won't apply to you"

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[R]:

when in doubt, it's comcast

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mattwj2002:

indeed

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[R]:

josh_: but i've been hearing companies giving set top boxes for free

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josh_:

-however-, if they switch to digital broadcast over cable, I'm reading that the converter boxes don't have support for decryption, so everything will have to be broadcast in the clear over QAM

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josh_:

matt2154_, eh? I run Vonage here and havent had any Comcast-specific issues...

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josh_:

I use a dedicated VOIP box, not some hodgepodge router/switch/voip thing

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mattwj2002:

yeah it turned out to be vonage's bandwidth saving feature

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mattwj2002:

I turned up the bandwidth and it worked fine

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mattwj2002:

happy with it ever since

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josh_:

the channel scan is definately taking a lot longer.. If it returns valid channel data, would not necessarily be a bad thing.

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[R]:

josh_: well that would be nice

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[R]:

but i'm sure they would drop the # of channels availble that way

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josh_:

[R], for DTV conversion?

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[R]:

the ones that are analog now that would be moving to digital

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[R]:

i doubt they would keep too many clear qam

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[R]:

that would be too nice

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[R]:

it's their mission in life to screw people like us

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mattwj2002:

don't they legally have to keep the OTA channels?

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mattwj2002:

isn't that some sort of FCC thing?

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[R]:

well tehy already do that

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josh_:

mattwj2002, Yes, they're legally obligated to prove the channels otherwise available with an antenna "in the clear"

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[R]:

i think i swa TBS on my clear QAM

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josh_:

[R], We'll see I guess. the way I see it, I'm paying for a package with a certain number of channels. whether theyre analog or digital I don't care, as long as I get them.

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josh_:

of course, there was no contract signed and the current deal can change overnight.

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[R]:

my provider simulcasts all the analogs in digital

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[R]:

of course they are all encrypted

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josh_:

[R], correct

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josh_:

[R], but if they phase out analog, then what's the point of paying the cable company money for the same channels I can get OTA :)

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josh_:

[R], it's in their best intereste to provide the product end-users want.

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[R]:

if that were true, everyone would have firewire that always worked

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josh_:

[R], haha, touche.

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[R]:

my firewire doesn't work... i called them up

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josh_:

I never understood the logic behind crippling devices. Verizon is bad about the same thing.

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[R]:

first she had no clue what i was tlaking about "firewall? let me transfer you"

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[R]:

then she had to talk to her manager... eventually she understood what i wanted, claimed it is enabled and they won't support me with it

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josh_:

Having firewire enabled (afaik) won't let you hack the box, just use it to stream to other devices.

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[R]:

josh_: i just want to change channels

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josh_:

[R], try switching the box out for a different brand/model?

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[R]:

well as soon as i get my hd pvr going

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josh_:

ooh.

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[R]:

i'm gonna drop the dvr and proll get a new box

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josh_:

hah, mythtv-setup segfault

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josh_:

See, this QAM stuff has me thrown for a loop too.

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josh_:

Ever since my days back at Radio Shack and other home theater places

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josh_:

Coax was always supposed to be the worst method of connection possible.

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josh_:

Now I can pull 1080i HD with dolby 5.1 out of the air?

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Dagmar:

"Because you were employed at Radio Shack"

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josh_:

Dagmar, I'm sorry?

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Dagmar:

You are now dealing with groups who know to say "Nonsense" when told a 6ft piece of cat6 is worth $500

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Dagmar:

That it's coax has little to do with why coax is generally not preferred

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josh_:

I would say nonsense to that also.

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Dagmar:

What type of signal is being sent through it is far more important.

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Dagmar:

Modulating a signal up multiple times to send it across a wire as analog is why "coax is bad"

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josh_:

Dagmar, that's what I'm trying to mention. Digital over coax has changed things.

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Dagmar:

It would have been bad for any other type of cable as well.

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Dagmar:

Just wait until you start digging into the c*ck-up that is optical cables

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Dagmar:

Without compression they don't have enough bandwidth to handle more than two channels of audio, because they've got bog-standard red LEDs in them basically.

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Dagmar:

Stores LOVE to sell them to people, but a simple shielded copper wire will do a better job unless their setup has *hideous* ground loops

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josh_:

IMO, that's the best feature of an optical cable, no ground loop.

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Dagmar:

It's not tht bloody hard to eliminate ground loops tho.

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Dagmar:

Mainly it means just not having tinfoil in the walls

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Dagmar:

...and like, _an actual ground_

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josh_:

i prefer to stay away from them, personally.

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Dagmar:

Well, the fun thing is that these stereos have them on them, right?

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josh_:

Dagmar, for some reason, still.

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Dagmar:

So people get like a turtle beach card with optical output and think using that to the reciever will work well.

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Dagmar:

IF there weren't patents in the way, that might be true

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Dagmar:

ALl you can send over is plain 2 channel stereo

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Dagmar:

At least the things have decent multiple minijack outputs

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josh_:

Another segfault, bleh.

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josh_:

Oh, well, bedtime I think. I think these segfaults are more related to me alt-tabbing during the scan and not the scan itself

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Dagmar:

That still shouldn't happen.

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Dagmar:

If you can reproduce that regularly, report it as a bug

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josh_:

I need to run it through the debugger first, that's a job for tomorrow though.

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[R]:

wtf

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[R]:

if i'm reading the gdb output correctly

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[R]:

my frontend is crashing trying to log something

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charles-swenson:

I have a problem ripping DVD's with MythTV..... I have traced it down to a change in command lines options with the later versions of transcode... does anyone have any idea how to change the command lines options passed by mtd

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iamlindoro:

Need to change the code

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iamlindoro:

but it's already fixed in trunk

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Jedi_Stannis:

what do people think of the onboard ati radeon hd4200?

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josh_:

It won't do hardware decoding with VDPAU

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Jedi_Stannis:

is vdpau recommended?

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josh_:

Up to you. If you've got the machine capable of software decoding, then you don't need VDPAU.

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Jedi_Stannis:

what's a good gpu for vdpau?

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josh_:

Anything Nvidia up above the 7800, IIRC.

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josh_:

Its on the wiki though.

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[R]:

Jedi_Stannis: 8400 is bare minimum... 8600/9600 is supposedly better

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charles-swenson:

Thanks.... I was hopeing that it would be simple change to a config file for mtd

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[R]:

sweet... i'm trying to debug this crash... and instead of recompiloing the whole system with -g... i just recompiled the file with the function that was crashing with -c

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[R]:

-g*

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josh_:

hmm, D.C.

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josh_:

mythtv-setup apparently doesnt like to be ran within gdb

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[R]:

well i'm gettin closer to my crash

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josh_:

There we go.

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josh_:

I'm just an idiot

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[R]:

so my myth is crashing and it looks like it has to do with strings in QT

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[R]:

and i'm sure its cuz i'm missing some kind of random package or something is missing in X...

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[R]:

josh_: what version of qt do you have installed?

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josh_:

[R], qt4, not sure of the minor number

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[R]:

can you check?

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josh_:

just a second

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josh_:

Looks like qt 4.5.0

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

i have 4.5.2

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charles-swenson:

Back on the problems with mtd putting together the command line for transcode.... I am looking at release-0-21-fixes/mythplugins/mythvideo/mtd/jobthread.cpp

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charles-swenson:

in subversion and the problem is not fixed

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[R]:

charles-swenson: he said it was fixed in trunk, not 21 fixes

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josh_:

what?!?

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josh_:

the channel scanner only found 3 usable transports?

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josh_:

sigh

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charles-swenson:

ok I think I understand....

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juski:

hey you guys had better get cracking. podcast guy reckons mythtv 0.22 will be out at the end of this month

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juski:

where do these people get their information from?!

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juski:

wagnerrp: lol. not a trivial task. I like that, such an understatement ;-)

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juski:

"Trying to encode (or even store)

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juski:

3Gbps video is not a trivial task. "

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aphyd:

hi

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Zathraz:

hi. Is there a special XMLTV IRC channel?

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Zathraz:

I am kind of stuck on the prep stages of tv_imdb. Just like: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&a . . . ;atid=424135

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Zathraz:

saw somewhere that the bug is fixed, but the bug is not closed so it seems

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Zathraz:

yet quite old....

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laga_:

why do you need tv_imdb?

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Zathraz:

to create a local copy of IMDB to faciltate adding IMDB info to XMLTV grabber to have a "richer" epg

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Zathraz:

like: http://wiki.mythtv.nl/index.php/Grabbers#IMDB . . . n_aan_de_EPG

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laga_:

have you looked at jamu and/or the tmbd script? that's not exactly what you're looking for, but it might be a good starting point

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Zathraz:

once looked at tmdb years ago. Have no mental picture of it anymore. Never heard of jamu

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Zathraz:

btw: my grabber issues from some says ago are resolved

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Zathraz:

besides 2 minor not to disturbing issues that is

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Zathraz:

jamu is a no go. I have version 0.21 running

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juski:

other scripts for bulk metadata downloading are available, you just have to have search-fu

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juski:

needing to have a local copy of imdb's data sucks anyway

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Zathraz:

it takes 2 hrs+ to parse and really hurts the htpc (1.2 Ghz Epia with 1 MB). Ihad to kill most stuff running to free enough CPU and RAM

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Zathraz:

but that should have been a single run once

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juski:

there's an argument for a proper computer right there :)

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Zathraz:

lol

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juski:

1MB ram? lol

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Zathraz:

*1Gb ;-)

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juski:

no wonder it was slow – all that swapping!

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** Zathraz started out once with 16kb computers.... **

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** juski started out with a 1kB computer **

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juski:

while we're playing who had the smallest game

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juski:

still, just think of all the trees you're saving with that machine :D

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cityLights:

hi juski, is trunk ready for "beta" users?

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cityLights:

I mean, was the analog scanning bug fixed?

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juski:

read trac & the mailing lists yourself

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juski:

I don't keep tags on every single bug, and my definition of 'ready' may not agree with yours

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laga_:

meh. caffeine rush and nothing to do

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laga_:

oooh, here we go

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cityLights:

juski: ok, is it ready in your mind?

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laga_:

trunk works well for me. if something is borked, pleae help getting it fixed

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laga_:

i will include you in all of my prayers

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juski:

cityLights: how should I know? I don't use it regularly

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laga_:

0.22 will be a great improvement.

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juski:

there aren't really any show-stoppers for me

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laga_:

yeah

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** laga_ having some problems when dragging&dropping the video to the other screen, but.. umm, yeah. **

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laga_:

gotta be the nvidia driver, and that's not exactly an use case for myth

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juski:

there's nothing in 0.22 that makes me want to rush to upgrade, but that's just me

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juski:

I *will* upgrade, sure. Just not in that big a hurry

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laga_:

never change a running system ;)

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juski:

and when I do, it'll be a fresh install on a different HDD, using the same media HDDs & an imported database backup

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juski:

so I can safely & easily revert :)

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juski:

mythui & all the new metadata stuff is very nice, but I won't lose any sleep if I don't have it

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laga_:

you're just afraid it'll make you go back to theming :)

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juski:

I really don't want to go back there

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juski:

scared of going mad again & churning out another 6

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juski:

do one, or two. And love ONE, maintain ONE

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laga_:

that's the spirit :)

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juski:

and if a distro asks, however nicely they do it, tell them where to shove it

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laga_:

ya, hate those distros

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juski:

fair dues to mythbuntu, they never came begging for help maintaining that theme. or is that just cos it never broke?

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laga_:

cut us some slack, we do have our own themers ;)

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laga_:

for 0.22

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tmkt:

morning

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laga_:

morning tmkt!

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** laga_ hands gbee some coffee **

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laga_:

works wonders for me :)

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gbee:

interesting

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laga_:

granted, i never have real migraine, just a headache from spending too way time on the computer which leads to tnesion in the muscles of my back

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gbee:

well I'll give it a try, about 50% of the time lying down in the dark helps, today it hasn't and of course ordinary painkillers make zero difference

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laga_:

http://www.howtodothings.com/health-fitness/h . . . at-migraines

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laga_:

no guarantees, though :)

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cityLights:

gbee: hi

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cityLights:

gbee: do you use trunk with analog at all?

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gbee:

no

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cityLights:

dvb-s2?

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gbee:

laga_: thanks, interesting reading

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gbee:

DVB-S and DVB-T

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cityLights:

btw, the new bluez 4.53 finnaly fixes pitch issues in the headphones

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cityLights:

which is only free stuff

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cityLights:

right?

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cityLights:

no encrypted stuff

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tmkt:

shot of espresso should do

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laga_:

so, konsole decided to hang on me while i was running something important

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laga_:

thanks, konsole.

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gunni:

It seems i messed up my mythfrontend installation a bit. I am running ubuntu weekly trunk builds, and due to some packaging problems i removed and reinstalled myth, but since then the osd is gone in the frontend. Is there a good way to find whats wrong? Changing theme does not help.

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gunni:

I think its no error in the package, as it does work on my other frontend on laptop.

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laga_:

how did you reinstall? using the packages?

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gunni:

Yes

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laga_:

did you install the OSD theme packages?

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gunni:

i dont know, i will check that.

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PhoenixMage:

Hi guys, is it ok to ask for support for the mythtv trunk here?

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laga_:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

,

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gunni:

laga: there are no -osd packages for my actual running theme, i will try installing a different one

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PhoenixMage:

I have trunk installed and want to run a front and backend server configuration, but when I run mythtv-setup I get qt mysql errors which in summary say QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement, Incorrect arguments to mysqld_stmt_execute

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MarcT:

what version of mysql do you have?

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PhoenixMage:

I am using qt 4.4.3 and mysql 5.1.38

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PhoenixMage:

and mythtv trunk from about 8 hours ago

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solv:

i really need some help figuring out my database issues...my drive only has 8 GIG left out of 750G and I can't delete ay recordings! Everytime I do it just reappears....and it still exists...as in I can watch it again. Also my db sometimes gets corruptions and if I run a myisamchk on it it fixes the problem sometimes, but other times it tries to update the DB schema and frigs eveything until i run another repair!

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PhoenixMage:

I compiled both QT and MySQL myself and havent used any optimisations

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MarcT:

Solv, did you try running the optimizer?

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solv:

MarcT, nope...what's th cmdline for that?

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laga_:

gunni: OSD themes are indepent from normal themes. most likely, you have enabled an OSD theme which is not installed

[13:03:41]

gunni:

laga: Now installed a theme with -osd package but same behaviour. The only osd working is the menu when watching, but everything else dows not

[13:03:58]

gunni:

Like progress bar, info osd etc.

[13:04:39]

mag0o:

gunni: you need to go into the settings and select an osd that is installed, most likely

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laga_:

gunni: choose a different *OSD* theme

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MarcT:

Solv, it is in the contrib directory, it does not get installed anywhere.

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PhoenixMage:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564184 are some of the database errors I am getting

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solv:

ok...will search for it

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gunni:

laga: where to find setting for osd theme? I only see UI theme in appearance settings

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gunni:

A found it

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gbee:

gunni: TV Settings somewhere

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gbee:

they should really all be in the same place

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gunni:

laga , gbee: thx alot .... everything is fine again

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gunni:

osd theme was empty, because of my package problems

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MarcT:

PhoenixMage, what linux version are you using?

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PhoenixMage:

MarcT, its an LFS system

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PhoenixMage:

I have other things using the database without issues

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MarcT:

what version are you moving from?

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MarcT:

mythversion

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PhoenixMage:

I am not, its a fresh install

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MarcT:

Did you install the database?

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PhoenixMage:

yes

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PhoenixMage:

ran mysql < mc.sql

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MarcT:

did you confirm it got created?

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solv:

MarcT, I've run optimiser script and reuild database...i just also ran orphan check and i have hundreds of these in my myth/tv/recordings dir: /myth/tv/recordings/mythconverg--20090913224400.sql

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MarcT:

you have hundreds of ophans?

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solv:

the first two didn't soolve the problem of deleted recordings respawning themselves like some possessed animal

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PhoenixMage:

MarcT, yes, connected to the database using the mysql client as mythtv and confirmed all the tables had been created

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solv:

well what the hell are sql files doing in my recordings dir to begin with

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solv:

should only be mpg and thumbnails as far as i knew

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MarcT:

SQL files in recordings directory? sounds like backups

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solv:

hmmm....maybe that happened when it tried to back itself up after trying to update the schema....weird

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MarcT:

myth puts backups of the database in the recording directory when it does a schema upgrade

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solv:

ah....well that explains it...although it doesn't explain why it wants to do a schema upgrade

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MarcT:

You seeing files like this?

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MarcT:

mythconverg-1239–20090810195344.sql.gz mythconverg-1240–20090810200534.sql.gz mythconverg-1241–20090814125516.sql.gz mythconverg-1242–20090829114524.sql.gz mythconverg-1243–20090903223402.sql.gz

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solv:

i'm doing a pacman upgrade now which is bringing in some new versions of mythv and associated files, plus a few extras – maybe that will help sort this issue out

[13:21:55]

MarcT:

PhoenixMage are you using minimyth?

[13:22:27]

PhoenixMage:

MarcT: No, I have no idea what that is

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MarcT:

ok, it looks like your system is failing to upgrade teh database from the base database that gets created by the mc.sql script

[13:27:16]

MarcT:

PhoenixMage, run this for me and put it in a pastebin, echo 'status;' | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

[13:28:20]

PhoenixMage:

I will have to modify that command cos the database isnt local

[13:28:43]

MarcT:

sure qhatever you have to do

[13:30:08]

PhoenixMage:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564199

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MarcT:

looks like there is an issue, but let me check something

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PhoenixMage:

sure, thanks

[13:32:35]

MarcT:

I'm using an older version, 5.0.70, and I have a Db characterset: utf8

[13:33:18]

MarcT:

solong as all yours are latin1 that is fine but you dont seem to have a Db characterset:. Not sure if that might be an issue

[13:34:07]

MarcT:

here is mine

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MarcT:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564202

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PhoenixMage:

hmmm

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PhoenixMage:

I'll see if I can set one

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MarcT:

it should have been set when the database was created.

[13:35:56]

MarcT:

thats the weird thing

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solv:

MarcT, do you have any other ideas....strangely I was able to delete about 20 recordings in my deleted items after doing the last repair...and then they just sarted respawning again....it's really freaky, and i can't find any mention of it googling for it either

[13:39:30]

MarcT:

do a backup, blow away the database, and then restore?

[13:39:50]

Hiisty:

what does -e flag do in mythtranscode?

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solv:

yeah might have to....i just have bad luck with that kind of thing....i'll end up hosing it all and losing all my recordings i know it =)

[13:40:57]

MarcT:

if you do a backup it should not delete..

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PhoenixMage:

MarcT: Didnt help :(

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MarcT:

and you can always bring them back in with the orphan finder if you do, you just wont know what they all are =p

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solv:

MarcT do you know if there is a good guide for doing that...i think i recall mythtv docs having something...but maybe there is a better one you know of?

[13:42:23]

MarcT:

PhoenixMage The only time I ever used a database on another machine was when I tried using mysql from a windows mahcine.

[13:42:45]

MarcT:

ran into issues with that however when the windows machine took longer to start. =p

[13:42:53]

MarcT:

after a power failure

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MarcT:

Solv, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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MarcT:

they should be in the contribs database folder

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PhoenixMage:

I'll compile a local instance of mysqld and see if it works then

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solv:

ah cool thanx

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MarcT:

that will at least confirm it is an issue with your remote server.. WHAT that issue would be however???

[13:45:40]

iamlindoro:

PhoenixMage, ls -al /usr/lib/libmyth* (assuming you used /usr as a prefix, amend as necessary, to a pastebin, please)

[13:46:47]

iamlindoro:

and while we're at it, ldd /usr/lib/libmythdb-0.*

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iamlindoro:

with same amendments for path

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MarcT:

oh, thats cool :P iamlindoro I guess thats why you get the big bucks lol

[13:47:27]

iamlindoro:

well, we'll see :)

[13:47:51]

iamlindoro:

for now just want to check something, though I have a vague sense of something

[13:49:11]

PhoenixMage:

iamlindoro: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564208 is ls

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MarcT:

When I goggled the errors I found this, http://www.minimyth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2393 which looks similar.. no solution thou, or none was posted.

[13:49:45]

MarcT:

that looks the same as mine

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MarcT:

slightly different file sizes thou

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PhoenixMage:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564209

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PhoenixMage:

IS LDD

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PhoenixMage:

oops

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iamlindoro:

and no aborted attempts to install, say, .21 in /usr/local or anything like that?

[13:52:01]

PhoenixMage:

nope

[13:52:12]

PhoenixMage:

have only tried installing 0.22

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PhoenixMage:

sorry trunk

[13:52:32]

MarcT:

LOL

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iamlindoro:

PhoenixMage, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/387205

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iamlindoro:

broken mysql

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iamlindoro:

(-O2 optimization w/ x64)

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iamlindoro:

In that case, anyway, but it should give you somewhere to start

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PhoenixMage:

Its not a 64 bit compile

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iamlindoro:

It need not be :)

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PhoenixMage:

ok, thanks

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PhoenixMage:

I will recompile

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iamlindoro:

just in that case the wrong optimization was used on the specific package which was x64

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iamlindoro:

good luck

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gbee:

mandriva have now fixed their package, wonder if I should mention that in the ticket

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mag0o:

interesting. with mythbackend running, i ran mythtv-setup to grab my missing channel icons, which it did just fine, but now mythtv-setup won't exit. It tells me about running mythfilldatabase and i select OK, but then it just stays, with a "Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request" on the consle

[14:03:09]

mag0o:

i can ctrl+c out of, of course

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solv:

aren't you supposed to stop mythbackend before running mythtv-setup?

[14:18:19]

mag0o:

i *think* it depends on what you're going to do, according to the popup that it displays when launching it

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solv:

i always just disable it....kind of a better to be safe than sorry approach i guess

[14:20:51]

solv:

well i give up.....did a full backup, wiped the DB, recreated it, did a full restore and my recordings still respawn themselves after I delete them!

[14:25:50]

mikasaari:

What could be the easiest way to see the current signal strength in linux side ?

[14:26:38]

MarcT:

do the recordings themselves still exist? can you play them?

[14:26:53]

solv:

MarcT, yep

[14:27:07]

solv:

they dissappea for about 2 seconds and then reappear

[14:27:34]

MarcT:

does your user have write access?

[14:28:08]

solv:

sure do...double checked that, and if they didn't i couldn't have recorded them in the first place

[14:29:10]

solv:

also to add to the weirdness, instead of using the delete recordings menu, i went watch recordings and then to deleted items and selected delete, and that worked for about 20 of them, and then stopped working again all of a sudden

[14:29:20]

MarcT:

I dont mean to the recordings.. meant to the database/

[14:29:27]

solv:

so i now have 75 GB of space

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mag0o:

permissions?

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solv:

oh....i'm not sure how to check that.....the database username and password is mythtv

[14:30:12]

solv:

and the linux username and password is mythtv

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solv:

no i know how to check permissions of a dir....but not sure how to check if the user name and password of the database is set correctl

[14:30:57]

solv:

no i know how to check permissions of a dir....but not sure how to check if the user name and password of the database is set correctly

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solv:

woops

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solv:

but i imagine it must be, or else mytbackend wouldn't be able to connect...so....yeah

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solv:

so the database is at /data/srv/mysql/mythconverg

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solv:

and the owner and group is mysql

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MarcT:

the only other idea I had was backup blow away your database create a new one, and only restore sepect tables.

[14:35:19]

MarcT:

select

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MarcT:

but repairs should work

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solv:

yeah i've done all repairs, all optimises, and a full backup and restore....which of course would restore any errors i guess if they exist

[14:36:34]

solv:

i see know why they are going to implement a scheduled db backup in 0.22, then one can restore from a few days earlier before the issues start occuring

[14:36:54]

MarcT:

I have a script that already does that.

[14:37:09]

MarcT:

been using it for years

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solv:

i hadn't ever thought to do it...but i will now =)

[14:38:21]

MarcT:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564247

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solv:

so obviously mysql DB corruption is a common thing....is it a weakness of mysql, or are all DB's susceptible to this kind of thing

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MarcT:

um.. kinda uncommon

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MarcT:

but sometimes you do stupid things.. or nature happens

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solv:

yeah...funnily enough i've had a variety of mythtv installs on different distros and currently use linhes

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MarcT:

My media folder is on a raid 5 array. my OS drive is mirrored. I got redundancy up the hoo ha.. but its always good to have a backup

[14:40:49]

solv:

both knoppmyth and linhes are very stable, but always get DB corruption issues...before that I had a gentoo box and it crashed more often ut never had a DB issue

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MarcT:

I use gentoo =p

[14:41:37]

MarcT:

hmm, I just fed my cat, but she is trying to eat the antennas to my wireless router

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solv:

i tried mythbuntu for half a day once...it is nowhere near as good or easy to setup as knoppmyth/linhes

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solv:

they are much tastier than food

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MarcT:

well if you ever want to go back to gentoo, http://github.com/MarcT/mt-mythtv

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solv:

MarcT, how is gentoo travelling after all the issues it was having with Daniel Robbins and restructuring etc etc

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MarcT:

traveling?

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sid3windr:

doing

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sid3windr:

I guess :>

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solv:

well i left and shortly after heard heaps of stories about bickering with devs etc

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MarcT:

I dont follow the dev bullshit

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MarcT:

gentoo just works for me.

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solv:

i left because i couldn't do a world update without it hosing my system or having to work through 700 conflicts

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solv:

that was about 3 years ago

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laga_:

solv: pro-tip: upgrade more often than every two years ;)

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MarcT:

Never had that issue.. there have been a few "blocking" issues but thta was resolved by removing the old version and then upgrading.

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solv:

laga_, no i stopped using it 3 years ago

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solv:

lol

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solv:

as if anybody would run a gentoo system and not update for 3 years

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MarcT:

New show season just started or is in the process.. so I'm about done with my upgrading until the season is over.

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solv:

so yeah neway....lost patience with it, couldn't afford to spend a whole weekend to get a base system compiled any longer

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MarcT:

LOL, stage 1?

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solv:

tried sabayon for a bit...cheaters way to get gentoo installed....but it was bloated back then...probably improved now

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solv:

stage 3

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MarcT:

ah, I do stage 1 still, think I am one of the only people who still know how.

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solv:

i'd say so

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MarcT:

I just did a stage 1 install for the ionitx I got a few months ago

[14:48:37]

MarcT:

I actually had the install completed before the box showed up.. lol

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solv:

i gotta give it up to gentoo, it taught me linux properly...started with fedora and once i tried gentooo realised how little i knew about linux or computing in general

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solv:

nice

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MarcT:

built it on my backend

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laga_:

and now you still know nothing except for CLFAGS? ;)

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solv:

do you run the ion as a frontend

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solv:

cflags are important

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MarcT:

ion is frontned diskless

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solv:

MarcT, handles HD okay...doesn't get too hot etc etc???

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MarcT:

I got the single core, the case I have has no fans. =p does not get too hot.

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solv:

i had a call out to work on a fitpc the other day for someone in south africa....it is slow as hell and REALLY hot

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solv:

ubuntu took about 3 minutes to load

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MarcT:

LOL

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sid3windr:

woah like

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MarcT:

well I gotta go for now.. helping close up a pool

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sid3windr:

3 minutes!

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MarcT:

my ion boots in under 45 from network.

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solv:

8.04 and it was fitpc version 1

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solv:

MarcT, yeah sweet

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solv:

ubuntu 9.04 boots off my usb on my eeepc in aobut 20 secs

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solv:

neway i gotta go to bed

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solv:

thx for the help MarcT

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

my myth install has gotten wonky – I can't delete any recordings and when I try and play any of them it says the file cannot be found

[14:55:03]

SpaceBass:

how can I truncate the recording database and start anew?

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dgilmore:

what would cause a dvb signal to lose lock?

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dgilmore:

my myth box this morning started popping up the channel info box. and saying it had a Partial lock

[15:07:05]

dgilmore:

but it seems to be switching from using LAM to LAMGV

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dgilmore:

Im guessing its maybe comcast doing something

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dgilmore:

its happening on both a hdhr and a hvr-1900

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dgilmore:

sorry its a hvr-1800

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mag0o:

SpaceBass: how much space is left on your machine?

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SpaceBass:

mag0o, 50g now, it did bottom out though

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mag0o:

so it was full?

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SpaceBass:

yes

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mag0o:

one of the mysql scripts (i dont reacll which) should fix up your db

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SpaceBass:

humm

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mag0o:

let me look

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mag0o:

maybe the optimize_mythdb.pl

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mag0o:

let one of the more experienced guys answer though

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mag0o:

although i think thats the one i've had to run in the past when my space was full

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SpaceBass:

good to know, thanks!

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Gav8in:

wow, my satellite receivers are selling for more than my entire myth setup cost me

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Gav8in:

so it's not even about how long before not paying satelitep ays for itself

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Gav8in:

it's paying for itself already

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mag0o:

heh

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XLV:

Gav8in, dreambox is hard at work to prove you right.. dm 800 500 euro or even more, dm 8000 idk, 800–1000 euro

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josh_:

This is frustarting

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josh_:

mythtv-setup standalone will segfault when doing a channel scan, but when I run the same exact scan through gdb, it works fine, but finds *far* less channels.

[16:03:39]

josh_:

aka none.

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laga_:

0.21?

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josh_:

trunk.

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juski:

XLV: wow. cheaper to pay for subscriptions huh

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juski:

who would've thunk

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XLV:

juski, i thought Gav8in meant the actual cost of hardware, not not cost of subscriptions

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XLV:

which you cant avoid with myth either.. unless its the added cost of getting a pvr ready stb from the provider thats whats discussed

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mike_hurley_1:

so using mythvideo trunk...

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mike_hurley_1:

in the video browser it'll show columns for folders and video info on the bottom half...

[16:17:12]

mike_hurley_1:

in the middle it'll show the name of the selected video...is there a way to increase the number of chars shown since it doesn't go across the screen before chopping? is that mythvideo or per theme?

[16:24:28]

mikasaari:

Is anybody facing crash with current trunk when watching live TV ? I can watch TV like 5minutes or so and then the mythfrontend crashes

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laga_:

mikasaari: get a backtrace, report a bug, thanks

[16:27:13]

mikasaari:

laga_: Clear. I shall

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sigkill_:

hey, first of all, sorry for those that think its groundhog day, but i didnt get a reply yesterday... in the uk alot of hte commercial stations have a +1 variant of a channel.. if you set the channum+channame the same, they are considered the same channel, assuming use epg to get my schedules, can i use this method to avoid conflicts etc?

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sigkill_:

basically, does this method allow the scheduler to think theyre the same channel, but using the epg, knows that its schedules for this +1 channel are an hour later?

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juski:

other than using 'epg' there's no other way to get schedules :P

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android60:

I am trying to setup mythtv-database on ubuntu server. I'm not sure how to find version number for that, but backend version is 21785. But it is refusing to accept the root password for mysql. I am 100% it is correct. I have even changed it several times thinking maybe it would take it as blank, or maybe as 1 char, but nope. It just keeps asking until it quits saying incorrect admin password

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sigkill_:

erm, sorry, i meant eit

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sigkill_:

<-- stupid

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juski:

sigkill_: if channels have the same 'callsign' they're considered the same

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sigkill_:

juski, so the scheduler would only look at the eit for schedules, for one of them?

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juski:

so if you call say E4 & E4+1 both just 'E4' in the callsign field, anything you set to record from 'E4' can be taken from either E4 or E4+1

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sigkill_:

oh, excellent

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sigkill_:

ideally id just have more tuners, but it helps to avoid some conflicts when youre limited

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sigkill_:

thanks for the clarification

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juski:

I've got 3 tuners, each set to max at 5 recordings per tuner :)

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juski:

sometimes even that's not enough but that should change by the time analogue is switched off & we lose a digital mux

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juski:

oh yes we're losing a mux. cutting from 6 to 5 when the switchover comes in. to make room for 'HD'

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sigkill_:

oh cool, im using dvb-s here, there's not much sharing transponders, ive set it to multirec 2.. it has saved my bacon a few times

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juski:

why only 2? ;-)

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sigkill_:

there's so many transponders, the only time i found it useful on dvb-s is when i was recording BBC1 (my region variant) and i wanted BBC2 recording at the same time... i found a transponder that was broadcasting bbc1 and bbc2 on the same, so that helped

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sigkill_:

it was bbc1 london i believe

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sigkill_:

sharing with bbc2 on that transponder

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josh_:

My memory escapes me. How do I force mythtv-setup to run on only one core?

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josh_:

aha got it. taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

that problem is still around?

[16:51:46]

wagnerrp:

...fairly certain the new scanner doesnt require that

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gbee:

shouldn't

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josh_:

I'm just trying random things right now, since the channel scanning isnt working the same inside gdb as it does natively.

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josh_:

Segfaulted again.

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josh_:

grr.

[17:23:35]

josh_:

So why does mythtv-setup behave differently when ran inside gdb?

[17:24:25]

josh_:

It runs, and I perform a channel scan, but only one channel returns table data inside gdb, but when mythtv-setup is ran independently, I get LOADS of channels. (mostly encrypted, but they're still there)

[17:32:30]

sphery:

increase your timeouts

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josh_:

I have.

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josh_:

let me make sure though.

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josh_:

I"ve increased the signal timeout to 2500, and the tuning timeout to 6500

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josh_:

They're already doubled from default, should I increase them to something impractical?

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messerting:

josh – are you using the mantis module by any chance?

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messerting:

I need to remove and reinsert the module for scanning to work (well – work "better")

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josh_:

messerting, I've got no idea what the mantis module is, sorry.

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messerting:

ok :)

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josh_:

I"ve increased my timeouts to something ridiculous, like 10 secons for a channel lock.

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josh_:

we'll see how that goes.

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josh_:

still no good

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josh_:

channel 20 should come back with three channels.

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josh_:

when running mythtv-setup, inside gdb, it returns "Channel 20 — Timed out, no channels"

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sigkill_:

Guys, im sure there's a setting im missing, but ive renumbered my channels to my preferred numbers, under settings->tv->general ive ordered by channel number, but it appears to be ordered in reverse??, i,e scrolling through the guide it starts 110 and 109 is below it, 108 is below that, is there some setting ive missed to reverse it?

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messerting:

fwiw, this was the issue I was referring to: //www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg08932.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg08932.html (the bits regarding FTA channels)

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iamlindoro:

mikasaari, configure with --compile-type=debug

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mikasaari:

Thanks iamlindoro

[18:02:39]

iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

For the future, #mythtv is really for actual development of the code, ie code questions about work that you personally are doing-- we answer the compile and other types of questions pertaining to use and bug reporting here

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Defense:

Hi, is it possible to record 2 movies at the same time, if they channels are on the same transponder (DVB-T)?

[18:07:08]

wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

Defense: with any digital capture card, yes

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sphery:

with HDHomeRun, only in trunk

[18:07:28]

Defense:

damn...

[18:08:08]

Defense:

but the DVB-stick should be able to record 2 movies the only question is, if mythtv supports it

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iamlindoro:

not that big a damn, trunk will branch .22 is a few weeks

[18:08:18]

iamlindoro:

yes, MythTV supports it

[18:08:32]

iamlindoro:

for a DVB-T Stick, even in .21

[18:08:33]

sphery:

are you using an HDHomeRun?

[18:08:43]

wagnerrp:

and there are some unsupported (and by now very aged) multirec patches for 0.21 in trac

[18:08:48]

Defense:

hm but why it tells me the one movie will not recorded because there is one with higher priority?

[18:08:48]

sphery:

if not, no worrires

[18:09:03]

sphery:

because you didn't set up multirec?

[18:09:09]

iamlindoro:

because you have the stick set the to default max recordings of "1"

[18:09:16]

Defense:

hmm ok

[18:09:16]

sphery:

or because you have overlapts with start early/end late

[18:09:37]

sphery:

where are all these extra letters coming from in my typing?

[18:09:46]

sphery:

Must have a broken keyboard.

[18:10:07]

iamlindoro:

you've contracted iamlindoro retarded typing flu

[18:10:19]

Defense:

so iamlindoro it should be possible to record multiple movies at the same time if the card supports it with 0.21?

[18:10:52]

iamlindoro:

*any* regular DVB card should do it in .21, yes, only exception is HDHomeRun

[18:11:29]

iamlindoro:

and in the soon-to-arrive .22, any DVB card and the HDHomeRun

[18:11:30]

sphery:

I think the confusion comes in when we say card, by which we don't just mean things you stick in PCI/PCIe slots

[18:12:09]

sphery:

If you have a USB-based "card", it will work, too, provided the USB capture device and drivers support it

[18:12:43]

sigkill_:

is it down to the osd theme whether or not to display the channel icon? or is that configurable somewhere?

[18:12:58]

iamlindoro:

OSD theme and correctly set up box

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Defense:

sphery: some time ago i allready captured multiple videos at the same time with kaffeine so it should be possible

[18:13:09]

iamlindoro:

but most show the icon

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c3l:

Im in the process of picknig out hardware to my first HTPC and im going to run mythtv. I have all the harware figured out, except the DVB-C card. Where should I be searching to find a good dvb-c card that is fully compatible with linux and mythtv (also it should work i Sweden). maybe some of you could recommend something

[18:13:32]

sigkill_:

ah, .21-fixes doesnt pull the icon from the backend?

[18:13:36]

sigkill_:

in osd

[18:13:54]

iamlindoro:

no, nor does trunk

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sigkill_:

excellent

[18:14:21]

sigkill_:

no problem, atleast i know what the issue is :)

[18:14:28]

sigkill_:

what/where

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sphery:

c3l: linuxtv.org/wiki

[18:15:01]

sphery:

c3l: I can't give any recommendations on DVB hardware (not in a DVB area)

[18:15:52]

c3l:

sphery: okay, well thanks for the link. and could I find other users setups that work well somewhere?

[18:17:02]

sphery:

c3l: on the bright side, with digital, all you have to do is get a card that works in Linux and for your TV format and it will work great with Myth

[18:17:13]

sphery:

used to be more challenging with analog stuff, but not with digital

[18:17:56]

josh_:

So if I'm running a HDHomerun, with -trunk, how many programs should I expect each tuner on the hdhomerun to be capable of tuning?

[18:18:22]

wagnerrp:

in theory, all of them

[18:18:35]

c3l:

sphery: oh, sounds great :) the fact that I need to use a card to get acces to all channels narrows down my options in the picking process, because the card Im looking for has to have a CA-module? or am I wrong?

[18:18:36]

wagnerrp:

in practice, ive heard most devices end up effectively limited to four

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wagnerrp:

c3l: if your cable provider encrypts their channels, yes

[18:19:56]

sphery:

c3l: yeah, if using CAM, you need to make sure the CAM works in Linux

[18:21:05]

c3l:

sphery: isnt it more like: CAM needs to be compatible with the TV-Card. and the TV-card has to be compatible with linux. the CAM and linux will never be in direct contact. or am I wrong?

[18:21:40]

sphery:

could well be... we can't do CAM here, so I don't know it

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sphery:

but basically, yeah, if the card works in Linux and can access your encrypted cards using the CAM, it will work in Myth

[18:22:43]

sphery:

Myth only works with unencrypted data, so as long as you get unencrypted data to Myth, it's happy

[18:23:11]

Defense:

so... cool it works... i just had to adjust the max records option :x

[18:23:24]

c3l:

ah I see. well thats the TVcards work. so now I just need to find a good TVcard with a CAM...

[18:23:38]

josh_:

Another segfault.

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HRearden:

A recent mythweb upgrade appears to have lost channel callsigns. Don't know is this is because I also don't have any channel icons, or if this is a permanent thing.. trying to check the code...

[18:25:50]

AndyCap:

c3l: If you have a choice, stay away from mantis cards. :)

[18:26:20]

c3l:

AndyCap: oh okay, will do :) could you recommend any good card?

[18:27:35]

AndyCap:

c3l: since I have a mantis card now. No. :P

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josh_:

I've narrowed the segfault down to one channel anyway.

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c3l:

AndyCap: haha okay ;)

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josh_:

It doesnt like channel 88

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c3l:

how would I find out if this card is compatible in linux? http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010127407.aspx

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wagnerrp:

josh_: when it hits channel 88, the tuner card jumps forward in time, causing temporary loss of access to the card and a segfault

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sigkill_:

what would be a possible reason a channel shows fine in the guide, but has disappeared when browsing the with the osd ?

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i_is_cat:

id like my channels to show in the guide :S

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sphery:

sigkill_: because it only shows channels on the current input

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sphery:

unless you enable "Allow browsing across inputs", which slows down channel changs

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sigkill_:

sphery, interesting, on this box there's only one input

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sphery:

and only one video source?

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sigkill_:

yep

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sigkill_:

single card, using eit for video source

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sphery:

the there's no Myth reason for it not to show up

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sphery:

unless you're browsing favorites only

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sphery:

or a channel grouop

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josh_:

heh.

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josh_:

It appears to be not only channel 88

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sigkill_:

sphery, hrm... very odd then

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sigkill_:

sphery, i'll do further troubleshooting on that, one other thing regarding the osd, its not ordered by channel number, is that configurable anywhere? its not under settings->tv->playback osd

[18:54:47]

sigkill_:

sphery, wrt to the missing channel on the osd.. if i select the channel in the guide, im watching it now, so browsing the osd im definitly on the same input and its not there

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sigkill_:

-to

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AndyCap:

c3l: btw. does your provider actually have CAM's available

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josh_:

gah, segfault again

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josh_:

this is ludacris.

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sid3windr:

this is a wrapper?

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sid3windr:

err

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sid3windr:

rapper =)

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josh_:

I just wish mythtv-setup would run properly inside gdb.

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sigkill_:

ah, restarted the backend and all is fine

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c3l:

AndyCap: how do you mean? I currently use a boxer where I insert a card to be able to watch the channels I pay for

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sid3windr:

poor boxer

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sid3windr:

do I wanna know where you put the card? =)

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AndyCap:

sid3windr: it only fits in one place. :P

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c3l:

idd =)

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MarcT:

I wish the US would get a cablecard digital tuner

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MarcT:

that works with linux

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AndyCap:

MarcT: haha, that last one ruined it

[19:05:37]

MarcT:

yeah

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AndyCap:

c3l: ok. I dunno. if they use Conax, you can probably get a CAM for it, if it uses NDS you're not so lucky

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AndyCap:

MarcT fortunately, the rest of the world is slated for a downgrade into cablecard hell with CI+, so you won't have to feel inferior for long.

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secleinteer:

hi, does anybody know if the blackmagic intensity hdmi capture card works with myth (or any other linux software)?

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MarcT:

never heard of it.

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juski:

secleinteer: who cares – I mean you'd need to grab 3Gb/sec video & compress it on the fly. Yuk

[19:12:34]

juski:

and no they don't work in linux

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juski:

so no mythtv won't support it

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c3l:

AndyCap: yeah i know a CAM will work, I just dont know what TVcard to use

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juski:

and they're no use for any source with HDCP either – which will be about every STB HDMI output

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AndyCap:

hmm, supposedly they have some linux plans http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/linux-support-b . . . movs-and-dpx

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juski:

AndyCap: plans. PAH

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AndyCap:

juski: hush, let him get his hopes up

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juski:

even if they're compressing to MJPEG (which IIRC they are) that's still one feck load of HDD space

[19:14:25]

juski:

people have been whining on & on about those Blackmagic cards for a couple of years now. Any sign of a linux driver yet? No

[19:14:47]

AndyCap:

anyhow. with the new PVR-350 coming from broadcom, why not a nextgen lamegrabber too? :)

[19:15:19]

juski:

get it compressing in good quality on the fly then we'll talk

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juski:

in MPEG/h.264

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juski:

there was another card where they supposedly had big plans for linux support – some HW HD decoder doodah. Never heard about it for 18 months now

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secleinteer:

juski: then how do those high def dvr's work?

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: which ones?

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secleinteer:

AndyCap: the ones offered by cable & satellite providers for a monthly fee

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: they have closed boxes, storing the digital videostream.

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juski:

secleinteer: they just dump the digital streams to disk

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juski:

no encoding at all

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AndyCap:

the same way you can do with mythtv with clear channels.

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juski:

jeepers: "The Blackmagic Intensity pro can capture in motion jpeg compressed hd. One hour of 1920x1080i 50fps is equivalent to 37gbs"

[19:18:39]

secleinteer:

ok, so i can do that with myth?

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AndyCap:

and for dvb-* channels where you can buy a cam

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juski:

37GB per hour!

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secleinteer:

that's ok

[19:18:58]

secleinteer:

hdd's are cheap

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juski:

transcoding won't be

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secleinteer:

i got 1 tb's from newegg for $65 each

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Pio:

where do you get a 50 fps source

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Pio:

thats weird

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juski:

beside the point – NO USE FOR HDCP outputs

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c3l:

this sucks, i need to find a dvb-c card that can use a CAM

[19:19:24]

juski:

Pio: in Europe

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Pio:

ahh

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secleinteer:

what is this hdcp crap?

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secleinteer:

can i crack it somehow?

[19:19:44]

juski:

secleinteer: hahaha. NO

[19:19:51]

secleinteer:

why not?

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: that would be illegal.

[19:19:54]

juski:

if you could, you can't talk about doing it here

[19:20:05]

juski:

violation of the DMCA & all that

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secleinteer:

well, google was more than willing to violate the dmca

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messerting:

Is it possible to import old recordings (ie. 2032_20081113140133.mpg etc) into a new into a new database (mythtv trunk). I forgot to use mytharchive... :(

[19:20:31]

juski:

secleinteer: google's problem, not ours

[19:20:56]

secleinteer:

juski: yeah yeah, anyway, is there any way to use mythtv as a dvr with high def satellite tv?

[19:20:56]

messerting:

I searched a bit in the wiki, but didn't find how to do it

[19:21:00]

juski:

secleinteer: those are the rules here, end of story

[19:21:04]

messerting:

anyone got a link?

[19:21:26]

juski:

secleinteer: if it's only 1080i, get a Hauppauge HD-PVR & use component video capture

[19:21:39]

juski:

if it's 1080p, you're boned. get the company's PVR

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secleinteer:

juski: afaik, there is no 1080p satellite

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juski:

there is, in places

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juski:

dunno how

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juski:

dunno how Joe Average can tell the difference though ;)

[19:22:32]

secleinteer:

juski: seems like there is 1080p for some video on demand

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secleinteer:

that's it

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juski:

so then, go for the HD-PVR

[19:22:46]

secleinteer:

anyway, it's all 720p/1080i for what i'm watching

[19:23:11]

secleinteer:

so i should use component out with hauppage?

[19:23:21]

secleinteer:

what about pchdtv's hd-5500?

[19:23:32]

secleinteer:

that one says it ignores the broadcast flag, which could be useful in the future

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juski:

the BF is ancient history now

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secleinteer:

ok

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juski:

the PCI HD tuner cards are only good for clear QAM (cable) and OTA HD

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juski:

i.e. you can't plug them into a STB & grab HD satellite or cable through it

[19:25:17]

secleinteer:

juski: so hauppage > pchdtv?

[19:25:28]

sigkill_:

is it a backend or frontend setting which flags up which input/video source im using in livetv? i dont want this but cant find the setting, my wiki fu fails me also :s

[19:25:42]

juski:

secleinteer: depends if you wanna capture STBs or OTA

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juski:

I know which I'd rather do

[19:26:35]

secleinteer:

i have a dishnetwork stb

[19:26:47]

secleinteer:

hauppage is better for that, right?

[19:26:52]

juski:

I don't believe in paying for TV :)

[19:26:58]

juski:

secleinteer: yes

[19:27:08]

secleinteer:

neither do i, but my parents do ;/

[19:27:10]

juski:

if you want to continue paying through the nose :)

[19:27:19]

secleinteer:

this isn't even for me

[19:27:25]

secleinteer:

i torrent all the shows i watch

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juski:

giving you a chance to save your own ass here: Ahh yes, all those public domain user-generated content shows. Very admirable

[19:29:00]

secleinteer:

lulz

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secleinteer:

looks like the hauppage hd pvr's compatible with dish network, so i guess that's the best choice

[19:29:36]

secleinteer:

will the quality be lower because i'm using component instead of hdmi?

[19:29:41]

juski:

not very

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juski:

people who use em say they're excellent

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secleinteer:

what about with cable? i'm thinking about dumping my dsl/satellite and switching to cable. will this component output thing work with cable STBs as well?

[19:30:38]

juski:

yup

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AndyCap:

secleinteer: depending on you actually having a component output on your new kit

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juski:

N.B. only as long as all these STBs have their component outputs enabled

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secleinteer:

ok

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juski:

in future that may not be the case

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secleinteer:

i'm pretty sure they will, because many older hdtv's don't have hdmi input

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AndyCap:

if it's hdmi hdcp only, you're boned.

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secleinteer:

one other question: what exactly makes 1080p hard to record?

[19:31:36]

secleinteer:

just the size?

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XLV:

secleinteer, MPAA

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secleinteer:

XLV: there is drm on the 1080p that isn't on the 1080i/720p?

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AndyCap:

does 1080p fit in component "standard" ?

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juski:

AFAIK it does

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XLV:

nope.. MPAA established the 1080i only to component

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secleinteer:

yes, according to wiki

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juski:

heh, well it *CAN* but that's different ;)

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XLV:

the cables and protocol is more than capable to transfer 1080p

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XLV:

in hdmi theres hdcp

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juski:

there is no protocol on analogue signals ;)

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secleinteer:

this is why i prefer to let some scene group take care of the drm removal for me...

[19:33:43]

secleinteer:

in any case, looks like the hauppage is the best option

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secleinteer:

thanks for the help!

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juski:

there you go digging yourself a blimmin big hole again

[19:34:04]

juski:

this is a logged channel remember

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secleinteer:

ah

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juski:

thanks for helping damage mythtv's reputation

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secleinteer:

i see Beirdo's already got it online

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juski:

unlikely no doubt but in the event the MP Ass come looking for heads to chop...

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iamlindoro:

It also makes you unwelcome here-- *WE* don't like it. If you want to stay, refrain.

[19:36:02]

secleinteer:

have they ever gone after myth users?

[19:36:13]

juski:

secleinteer: they go after innocent users all the time

[19:36:22]

AndyCap:

juski:they're too busy closing the a-hole.

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secleinteer:

ofc

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AndyCap:

"innocent"

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juski:

evil file sharers

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juski:

s/file\ sharers/terrorists/

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secleinteer:

well, i don't want to cause you guys any more trouble than i already have. have a nice day ^^

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AndyCap:

of course, bittorrent directly finances al qaeda.

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juski:

I find it hard to believe that even in light of all the cack-handed prosecutions & lawsuits – people are still talking about illegal stuff so openly ffs

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josh_:

juski, they don't belive it will happen to them. They're ignorant.

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AndyCap:

people talk openly about speeding and doing drugs too. and the odds are in their favour.

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juski:

man, I'm so baked. I think I'll install another framegrabber

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juski:

oh wow, the colors are all like.. pulsing squares

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juski:

oh wait I hadn't exited mythmusic & I'd left it on the squares visualizer

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AndyCap:

;)

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juski:

wonder if there's a 'moodlight' visualiser anywhere

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gbee:

but how would it know your mood?

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gbee:

well, in your case it would probably only need red

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juski:

just put it on flashing red all the time :D

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josh_:

gbee, that's where you're mistaken. It's not your mood, it's the frontend's mood. In this case it would always be black :)

[19:42:49]

juski:

josh_: you might have a point. all those soaps it has to play back day in & day out..

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josh_:

haha

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juski:

surprised it hasn't killed itself yet

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josh_:

have you been peeking in my windows again?

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juski:

I just have to hear the opening music to Eastenders & I reach for a knife

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And4713:

so all the drugs and pornography and computer emotions aside can I ask if Im interpreting this page correctly

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juski:

whoah. this gonna be a question about docs?

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Flubber_93:

Bonsoir a tous

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laga_:

ah, the french and their english skills

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laga_:

oh.

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And4713:

like as I understand it, certain remotes are just considered HID until you load the proper lirc module

[19:45:22]

And4713:

basically Im asking if I got that right

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juski:

laga_: better than the English & their french skills. he just declared war on the USA by my reckoning :P

[19:46:26]

juski:

And4713: sounds plausible.

[19:46:44]

And4713:

ok good this should be fine then

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juski:

sometimes the device you end up with by default is ok enough just to map the buttons to keys with xmodmap & junk

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And4713:

heh ATI remotes work out of the box but lirc is what apparently lets you move shit around

[19:47:21]

juski:

but if there's a lirc module I'd prefer to use that if it was my choice

[19:47:38]

juski:

that's what shovels are for isn't it? moving it around

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And4713:

the wiki was kind enough to provide example configs too

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_ben:

that'll teach me for using karmic

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juski:

_ben: return the CD & demand your money back

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_ben:

heh

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juski:

bill them for your wasted time too

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juski:

I would

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MythBork:

Does anyone know if there is a simple way to force MythTV to always use a specific tuner/input for watching LIve TV?

[19:53:02]

wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

what was with 'Flubber_93' about ten minutes back?

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laga_:

"Good evening to everyone"

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wagnerrp:

join, say good evening, and leave?

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laga_:

why worry? the best thing that could happen. better than "i get a black screen with livetv"

[19:55:35]

MarcT:

I get a black screen with live tv

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MarcT:

:P

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juski:

MarcT: try switching the TV on next time :P

[19:56:03]

wagnerrp:

really? i just go back to the main menu

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MarcT:

LOL

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juski:

I dunno why it's even called 'live tv'. It still just sits there on the stand doing nothing

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juski:

or maybe it just stands there on its stand. can something sit on a stand?

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wagnerrp:

i always thought a tv 'sat' on things

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juski:

here's an idea. rename it 'instant record & watch"

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wagnerrp:

well thats just madness

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juski:

mooo!

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MarcT:

Actually.. Recently I sometimes get into a funny state with live TV where I load live tv its fine, I switch channels and it does this weird thing where it says it timed out and kicks me to the menu.. try and reenter live tv and it says does the same thing again.. I close and restart the backend, and then it works.

[19:58:42]

wagnerrp:

aww... that was the perfect setup, and you missed it

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juski:

MarcT: that'd tell me I should be sifting through all the schedule info at least one of several ways every once in a while & plan to record anything I might be interested in so I don't have to find something to watch when I want some telly :)

[20:01:05]

MarcT:

um. the only reason I tried livetv was because I was testing everything out with the windows build I made.

[20:01:55]

MarcT:

Oh, and I was checking that the channels were fine after adding new channels to my digigal lineup.

[20:02:16]

juski:

that's ok then. same reason I've only used that for :)

[20:02:39]

MarcT:

comcast in my area finally added the basic channels to clearQAM

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PLC:

hi' :)

[20:03:18]

MarcT:

only standard deff but still better quality than the pvr500 signal =p

[20:03:22]

josh_:

MarcT, it's the beginning of the end.

[20:04:21]

MarcT:

moving in 2 weeks.. gonna be setting my myth backend up at work so I dont miss the shows that air while I am getting cable setup at home lol

[20:04:30]

MarcT:

my first house

[20:05:01]

MarcT:

need to have an electricial come in and wire cable, might as well have him wire for CAT-5e/6 too

[20:05:35]

MarcT:

and maybe see how much it will cost to have the entire house rewired.. still using 60amp knob and tube

[20:06:15]

juski:

a fortune

[20:06:36]

MarcT:

I'm thinking 3–5 grand

[20:06:43]

juski:

get yourself the know-how & do the bulk of it yourself. save a MINT

[20:07:11]

juski:

you still need a pro to come in to wire up the distribution board & certify the install but you will save a fortune

[20:07:22]

MarcT:

well.. I did recently find the entire set of the popular mechanics do it yourself encyclopedia

[20:07:33]

juski:

oh wait it's the USA. don't even go there. lol

[20:07:34]

c3l:

okay ive been looking around for a dvb-c with cam compatibility, ive found Technotrend Premium C-2300 is it any good?

[20:08:32]

juski:

MarcT: over here you can do it all yourself if you just pay to get it certificated :)

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juski:

dunno about where you are though

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MarcT:

I'm in the USA.

[20:08:56]

MarcT:

I could do the wiring.

[20:09:02]

MarcT:

but not the pannel work

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here have an lircd.conf file for their hdpvr remote ?

[20:09:34]

MarcT:

hmm

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MarcT:

sec

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And4713:

why the hell do you need it certified its your house

[20:10:23]

And4713:

as long as you arent planning on selling it any time soon you should be fine

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wagnerrp:

any time ever...

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_ben:

i was quoted 4 grand for re-wiring

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And4713:

wtf

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_ben:

making good afterwards was teh bugger and the vendor wouldn't take a reduced price so i pulled out of the sale

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laga_:

sounds cheap.. depends how big the house is

[20:13:11]

And4713:

lirc supports the ipaq

[20:13:17]

And4713:

man if only mine was still working

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MarcT:

ok, nope no config for the hdpvr.

[20:14:46]

MarcT:

thoguht Phill might have had one on zoomthingie

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And4713:

heh the battery on it got what can only be described as a pregnant looking bulge and broke the cover

[20:15:38]

And4713:

so I decided to not have an acid explosion waiting to happen and stopped using it

[20:15:40]

MarcT:

O.o

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MarcT:

replace the battery

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MarcT:

Ben, where are you from?

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_ben:

london

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And4713:

well it wasent cheap, probably cheaper now

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MarcT:

4K pounts?

[20:16:33]

And4713:

but the chances of finding a replacement door are pretty much nil

[20:16:33]

MarcT:

pounds

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_ben:

yeah

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laga_:

oh, 4k pound is a different thing

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MarcT:

isent that like 8K us?

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_ben:

maybe 6

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** _ben looks **

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MarcT:

6.6k

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MarcT:

more like 6.7

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MarcT:

and I would need a new panel as well. I would want a 200 amp main box

[20:18:48]

juski:

4 grand for a rewire? sheesh. I'd expect jam with that too

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_ben:

it's a lot of work juski

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laga_:

especially if you get some CAT5 for that

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_ben:

not rocket science but time consuming

[20:19:41]

juski:

cat5 is cheaper than twin & earth :D

[20:19:50]

juski:

by a considerable margin

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_ben:

mmm, seeing i have these problems with spdif out i could probably use dvi out to the tv and use a dvi -> hdmi converter and stick with analogue sound

[20:21:21]

_ben:

that'll work right?

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juski:

depends on your TV

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_ben:

tv has hdmi in/phono sockets

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juski:

some allow you to choose an external audio input – others will be hardwired to HDMI

[20:22:36]

juski:

one we have at work has analogue audio input but it only works with analogue video inputs

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_ben:

a case of suck it and see i guess

[20:23:07]

juski:

you can buy HDMI audio inserter thingies – they cost a lot more than a SPDIF cable though :P

[20:23:31]

juski:

prolly as cheap to get a HT receiver & speakers :)

[20:23:40]

juski:

then just use that for audio duty

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juski:

I watch all my shows with hifi audio but my wife insists on the awful TV sound for hers

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_ben:

Yeah, i just can't figure out the spdif header -> card issue

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juski:

ruh?

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And4713:

alright so heres a brain twister for you guys

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juski:

wire the soundcard's spdif output to the video card. badabing. Ish

[20:26:57]

_ben:

Yup, sound just isn't happening tho :p

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And4713:

this card apparently supports audio over PCI, and theres even a thread started called "cx88 tvaudio"

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juski:

_ben: unmuted IEC958/SPDIF in the mixer?

[20:27:20]

_ben:

yup

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And4713:

but the actual output for it is strangely absent

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juski:

And4713: oh no not a framegrabber

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trumee:

guys, any recommendation for the size of covers in mythvideo. Browsing in mythtv is too slow for me. i suspect it is the covers which are a problem

[20:27:45]

And4713:

yeah I know its crap but if it supported it why not try right

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juski:

AFAIK only SAA7xxx audio capture ever works in linux

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trumee:

Average cover size is about 300kb on my box.

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juski:

other than hardware mpeg encoding cards

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MarcT:

Not only do I want to have the house rewired I want to add more outlets and such. I want to install ceiling fans on the second floor as well as move the electrical outlets off the baseboard.

[20:28:47]

MarcT:

its a home built in the 1920's with wireing to match the era

[20:28:54]

juski:

MarcT: ah

[20:29:13]

MarcT:

baseboard outlets with only 2 per room.

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kusznir:

Has anyone gotten hulu working through myth? (just being able to watch content on the hd screen driven by the myth system)?

[20:29:21]

juski:

I'd still be tempted to find out what I'd need to do to get as much done myself as I could :)

[20:29:36]

MarcT:

and a 60 amp FUSE panel.. not breaker

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juski:

kusznir: there's no way to strip the video out AFAIK so you're left with viewing it in a browser window

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syphr:

i am a little confused as to how movie titles are handled with JAMU, is there anyone active right now that may be able to help?

[20:30:33]

MarcT:

kusznir: someone did it a little wile back.. but hulu kept changing their methos and breaking it so he gave up

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PLC:

bye

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juski:

MarcT: I have some plans to adapt this house's ring mains & shove even more twisted pair in for WHA :)

[20:31:31]

kusznir:

Is there a way to start up a browser window from within myth and view it (or perhaps mythweb working with it or something)?

[20:31:43]

juski:

kusznir: mythbrowser

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juski:

get that working with a flash player & you're done

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MarcT:

Yeah I want to rewire the entire house and install cable and cat5e/6 into 3 rooms (2 on 1st 1 on 3rd.)

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kusznir:

yea...does mythbrowser work with flash / whatever else hulu requires?

[20:32:45]

juski:

kusznir: I'm not sure. but firefox sure does

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MarcT:

which reminds me.. I need to rent a truck

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juski:

kusznir: 3rd google hit for "mythbrowser hulu": http://mythdora.com/?q=node/3616

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iamlindoro:

but don't do all that

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iamlindoro:

just wait for .22 and use flash + hulu in on-board mythbrowser

[20:34:01]

iamlindoro:

which works fine

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juski:

pity flash video can't make use of video acceleration huh

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juski:

:D

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

and that it mostly sucks

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And4713:

if adobe wasent such a bunch of stupid lazy fsticks we wouldent have this problem

[20:35:23]

juski:

I've tried iPlayer stuff on the teevee from my laptop & it looked nice

[20:35:37]

juski:

not as good as the native cable STB iPlayer though

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juski:

that tends to look better than broadcast TV even

[20:36:12]

And4713:

I cant wait for flash to die horribly in a huge html5 fueled fire

[20:36:18]

juski:

if only the cable box could play networked media shares :)

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Jedi_Stannis:

what's a recommended remote control for use with mythtv?

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juski:

and didn't have a sucky UI

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juski:

Jedi_Stannis: whatever you want :)

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juski:

Microsoft's MCE remotes work well apparently

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juski:

they come with an IR receiver & 2 IR blasters

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Jedi_Stannis:

juski: what do you do for a receiver?

[20:37:28]

juski:

homebrewed serial port IR receiver

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Jedi_Stannis:

yeah, I saw that on the lirc page, are they easy to get working?

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juski:

if you can't solder to save your life I wouldn't recommend it

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And4713:

itd be far easier to just buy one if you have the cash

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Jedi_Stannis:

any other recommendations besides microsoft?

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And4713:

I dont know if anyone in here has tried it but I saw an LIRC compatable remote/reciever pair on thinkgeek

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[R]:

does anyone here have the hdpvr ir blaster working in ubuntu? i've gotten all the patches and what not but i can't seem to make lirc_zilog work

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And4713:

also apparently that receiver works with more then just the provided remote

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And4713:

its like 40 bucks though

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And4713:

so not good for a budget

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And4713:

only 30 on amazon

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Jedi_Stannis:

ok

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And4713:

knowing this room Im sure theres tons of others though

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juski:

dunno what's so wrong with using MS hardware

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juski:

it's a good, well supported solution

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GreyFoxx:

my MCE remote/receiver rocks

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GreyFoxx:

and rhe receiver works with all kiinds of remotes

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juski:

they don't even make it themselves. what's there not to like?

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And4713:

¯\(°_o)/¯

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GreyFoxx:

I just configured my hdpvr remote to work with it in parallel to myt mce remote

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And4713:

I mean I dont even have one of either so

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juski:

hell it's even possible to rebadge it :)

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Jedi_Stannis:

ok

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And4713:

awwwww crap installing lirc has screeched the machine to a halt

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MarcT:

$265 truck rental and 2 guys to help me for 3 hours

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** _ben spits **

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_ben:

installing windows to see if i have broken hardware

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EvilDin_:

hi, is it possible to get multicasts in mythtv channels list ?

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sphery:

what do you mean "multicasts in mythtv channels list"?

[21:07:30]

sphery:

you mean IPTV type stuff?

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mike_hurley_1:

can somebody explain to me how video names are displayed in mythvideo? for instance with ripped tv shows, you may get "Heroes 1x10 – EpName" and if EpName is long enough, sometimes it'll just show "EpName", and sometimes "Heroes 1x10 – EpN...". Are there still some glitches being worked out for this?

[21:08:48]

sphery:

trunk?

[21:08:53]

mike_hurley_1:

yes, trunk

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mike_hurley_1:

sorry

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sid3windr:

junk in the trunk

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sphery:

mike_hurley_1: my guess is you have some other garbage in the filename

[21:09:45]

mike_hurley_1:

sphery: the filename in this case is "Heroes S01E10.mkv"

[21:09:55]

sphery:

like, "Heroes 1x10 – EpName 720p x264.avi"

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iamlindoro:

Truncated title display is a function of theme-- it's too long to fit in the space allotted

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EvilDin_:

sphery: yes i think abot iptv

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sphery:

oh, then it's getting the right stuff, but not showing it all

[21:10:23]

mike_hurley_1:

right

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iamlindoro:

"Heroes S01E10.mkv" should parse just fine

[21:10:27]

jdblack:

is a 0.22 trunk frontend compatible with a 0.21-fixes backend?

[21:10:27]

EvilDin_:

sphery: is it possible ?

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sphery:

EvilDin_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPTV

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iamlindoro:

jdblack, no

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jdblack:

ok. Thanks

[21:10:52]

mike_hurley_1:

iamlindoro: it does parse fine, it seems what gets displayed is a bit off

[21:10:58]

Greek-B0y:

Who here uses NFS shares with Myth Video? Are you happy with the performance? I need to stream 4 HD movies at the same time from backend to remote front ends. It's a gigabit network...

[21:11:12]

jdblack:

Greek-B0y: I do.

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sphery:

EvilDin_: and, although the parts abuot using this to record multiple shows from the same multiplex is irrelevant, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recordings_with_VLC shows how to set up VLC as a source using normal M3U files

[21:11:16]

iamlindoro:

The file above would get "heroes" displayed in the title field, and the season and episode in those fields, with no subtitle

[21:11:32]

iamlindoro:

then you can do a metadata grab to get the subtitle, and that should show in the subtitle field

[21:11:41]

mike_hurley_1:

iamlindoro: where is the subtitle field?

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jdblack:

Greek-B0y: I do ok with 700 megabyte movies on 802.11g. I can do 1, nearly 2 frontends at the same time.

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on the theme

[21:11:54]

iamlindoro:

"somewhere else on the screen"

[21:11:59]

iamlindoro:

but probably close to the title

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mike_hurley_1:

at the bottom i get "Heroes\nDirector\nPlot\nCast"

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iamlindoro:

all this also presumes you are using an actual trunk compatible theme

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EvilDin_:

sphery: i just need to be able to play playlist of UDP streams that my ISP provide, i don't need to stream out, i need only to watch

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mike_hurley_1:

ok, i'll try other themes

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sphery:

Greek-B0y: won't be a problem as long as its a switch

[21:12:55]

sphery:

EvilDin_: those 2 pages have all the info you need

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sid3windr:

sphery: as gigabit implies full duplex I doubt anyone made a hub ;)

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EvilDin_:

ok let's check

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sphery:

i.e. ignore the how to set up VLC to stream part, but pay attention to the how to receive the stream from <in this case, your provider>

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mike_hurley_1:

i'm using mythbuntu and its theme (which had an update available today in ubuntu karmic) but which theme is the mythtv default?

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iamlindoro:

Terra

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iamlindoro:

I don't know what fields have been added to the mythbuntu theme, I've not seen it yet

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Greek-B0y:

well that's great news guys. Some of my MKV 1080i files are 12 gigs :P

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wagnerrp:

why do you have 1080i mkvs?

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youre going through the trouble to transcode stuff, why not deint/ivtc in the process?

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Greek-B0y:

wagnerrp: I downloaded it that way man..

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Greek-B0y:

mkv is a good container for HD anyway

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jwbrown77:

Has anyone here had any experience/success with setting up a Motorola DCX-3200 cable box over firewire?

[21:19:50]

jwbrown77:

I am getting this error:

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jwbrown77:

2009-09–13 14:12:49.347 FireChan(0023EEFFFE95A24A), Error: Model: 'DCX-3200' is not supported.

[21:19:53]

jwbrown77:

2009-09–13 14:12:49.348 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.

[21:19:53]

jwbrown77:

Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?

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jwbrown77:

Using the avenard trunk repos... 0.22.0+trunk-21824-nv180–0ubuntu1

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messerting:

I'm not getting any EIT data it seems – is there anything I can look for in the logs to see if the backend is actually "scanning" for EIT data?

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mike_hurley_1:

iamlindoro: up to date ubuntu packing from trunk's terra theme doesn't show the subtitle either...and i checked metadata and it is filled in

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iamlindoro:

mike_hurley_1, Displays fine here

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iamlindoro:

Use browse mode

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sphery:

messerting: try flipping the active EIT scanning and open DVB card on demand switches (you need different combos of the settings for different cards)

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messerting:

sphery: ok, thanks will try that

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mike_hurley_1:

iamlindoro: is the directory based view not fully working yet?

[21:29:54]

iamlindoro:

firectory browsing works fine

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iamlindoro:

er directory

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iamlindoro:

but if you are viewing a file without metadata, then it will all get crammed into the title field

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iamlindoro:

you really need to be reading commits and the transition guide if you are going to be running trunk

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iamlindoro:

*especially* w/ MythVideo

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mike_hurley_1:

well the info's in the right fields ("Edit Metadata" shows correctly anyway) so I'm going to assume the Ubuntu/Mythbuntu people are out of date by a bit

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mike_hurley_1:

is there a way to have it so folders don't show the background image (I read somewhere that the first one with is used if there's no folder.jpg and a 0-byte folder.jpg seems to be ignored)

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c3l:

what good dvb-c cards with common inteface is there?

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mike_hurley_1:

ah nuts...is there a way outside the frontend to set the theme? Apparently I have some old ones and it then defaults to Terra and then says it couldn't load that which worked fine 20 minutes ago... ?

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[R]:

mike_hurley_1: its in the db

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mike_hurley_1:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

don't do that

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend -O Theme=themename

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iamlindoro:

with proper capitalization

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mike_hurley_1:

is there a way to disable fanart hunting in trunk mythvideo when you have a folder selected?

[22:11:57]

mike_hurley_1:

it's not so bad on a "Star Wars" folder, but I have 2 toplevel "TV" and "DVD" folders and for "DVD" it shows the fanart for 300 which seems odd

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josh_:

Well, I ignored the segfaults and got it to scan the channels it could without crashing, but I havent found a channel yet that plays properly of the ones it *did* scan

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iamlindoro:

no, not possible to disable the hunt

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kusznir:

quick question: what version of myth is required to get nvidia VDPAU support?

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iamlindoro:

trunk

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iamlindoro:

ie, what will be .22 in a few weeks

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josh_:

kusznir, vdpau has only been officially supported in trunk, the soon to be 0.22

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josh_:

kusznir, however, there is a vdpau backport to 0.21

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kusznir:

Ok, thanks!

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josh_:

Is there anyone else that is running trunk on an ATSC HD Homerun?

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c3l:

I need help determining whether this ( http://www.dustinhome.se/pd_5010127407.aspx ) dvb-c cartd with CI is compatible in linux/mythtv

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blubbb:

which dvb usb devices work with linux out-of-box? are the dvb-c and dvb-t standards compatible or is it just a name with no implications?

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[R]:

blubbb: linuxtv.orgb

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[R]:

linuxtv.org*

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blubbb:

[R]: i know that site. they have a wiki page for supported hardware but it's not a listing.

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josh_:

Is anyone aware of any "tricks" to get mythtv-setup to perform a proper channel scan inside of gdb?

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_ben:

pixie dust

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[R]:

blubbb: sometimes there is stuff on the myth wiki... but thats about the best you're gonna get

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mike_hurley_1:

iamlindoro: it seems the hunting is limited to immediate child videos so I just made an "Other" folder under DVD to throw them into

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[R]:

josh_: you can't run gdb after the fact?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, hunt only descends one level

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josh_:

[R], I'm honesly not that familliar with gdb, I don't know how to get any usable data from gdb outside the crash unless the affected program is ran from inside gdb

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[R]:

josh_: when it crashes... does it say "core dumped"?

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rwlove__:

Could anyone help me debug a graphics problem here? system crashed on HD video playback and now my graphics driver won't show anything other than colored lines when gdm starts. :(

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josh_:

[R], No, it says "Segmentation Fault"

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[R]:

josh_: run "ulimit -c unlimited" before you run the program

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[R]:

then when it crashes its gonna dump core

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[R]:

then run gdb mythtv-setup core.file

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josh_:

rwlove__, possibly corrupt video driver? Improper X configuration?

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josh_:

[R], let me check that out

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rwlove__:

josh_: I wiped the xorg.conf, removed the driver and reinstalled and whatnot and still no luck

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rwlove__:

josh_: I don't really see anything useful in logs, /var/log/gdm/* /var/log/X11/*

[22:31:03]

rwlove__:

josh_: I'm totally baffled

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rwlove__:

josh_: I'm worried that the graphics card died, but the nvidia splash screen displays just fine

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rwlove__:

josh_: so does bios and boot

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josh_:

rwlove__, I"m baffled also. I'd start playing with modelines at this point

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rwlove__:

like somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/ ?

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rwlove__:

josh_: When you said that I just noticed an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc.conf file...

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rwlove__:

maybe I'll blast that

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rwlove__:

and see what happens

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rwlove__:

:)

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_ben:

say, would something like a geeforce 9400 mgpu be a good choice motherboard-wise?

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[R]:

_ben: good choice for what?

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_ben:

well, a mythbox – vpdau-wise

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[R]:

well 9400 is one step up from 8400

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[R]:

people use 8400 and are very happy with it

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_ben:

cool, seems a reasonable choice

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And4713:

crap in a hat I managed to break the remote being working

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_ben:

[R]: how does the 9300 compare to the 8400?

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iamlindoro:

more codec support in VDPAU, for one thing

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iamlindoro:

9300 can do full offload of VC-1, 8400 cannot

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_ben:

well, i'm just really trying to decide between 9300 + 9400

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wagnerrp:

depends on which 8400 youre talking about

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wagnerrp:

theres two revisions

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iamlindoro:

faster chip, more shaders, better deinterlacers available

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iamlindoro:

and right, the late model 8400s can do VC-1, wagnerrp is right, forgot that

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wagnerrp:

nope, identical chip, just faster clock speed

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wagnerrp:

the 9400 is basically an OC'd 9300

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_ben:

just reading: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/361401

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[R]:

_ben: no cle... and you said 9400 before... make up your mind

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And4713:

if you are talking about mobile versions I cant say but I have a 9400 GT in this machine and VDPAU works great in mplayer

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And4713:

and I believe XBMC, so

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And4713:

I havent bothered to try anything else

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[R]:

is 1 MB/s good for wireless g?

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wagnerrp:

1 isnt bad, 2 is about the limit you should expect to get

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[R]:

i used to have a pci card, now i'm using a usb adapter that is on an extension cable must higher up than the pci card was... getting much better speeds

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[R]:

much higher*

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josh_:

[R], okay, got a core dump this time

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[R]:

josh_: now just "gdb mythtv-setup core.file"

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josh_:

now the funny part, I've got no idea how to interpret this file... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1564756

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kusznir:

Ok, I just upgraded to an svn checkout, and now myth is detecting all my old SD recordings as widescreen...Is there something I need/can to do to get it to correctly show it as 4:3?

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iamlindoro:

josh_, Is this with an HDHomeRun?

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iamlindoro:

If so, there's an open ticket for that already

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[R]:

josh_: the 3rd to last line says what line it crashed on

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josh_:

iamlindoro, oh really? I looked. let me look again.

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i_is_cat:

this is getting irritating seems when i reboot my backend system the backend config gets screwed up and i have to readd my tuners every time

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iamlindoro:

josh_, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7003

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josh_:

iamlindoro, thanks.

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i_is_cat:

and then i go into mythtv-setup and all looks good

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iamlindoro:

np

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[R]:

i_is_cat: what do you mean it gets screwed up?

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i_is_cat:

start mythbackend and it says i have no tuners defined and asks me if i know how to configure it properly

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i_is_cat:

which i might not, but i know how to configure it properly enough that it works until i manually turn it off lol

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[R]:

how odd

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[R]:

is mysql being shut properly?

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i_is_cat:

i think theres some sort of issue with my udev

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i_is_cat:

i dont know why or how

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i_is_cat:

but it seems like its swapping tuners, it seems like its switching my two tuners inputs on each boot or something so pvr350/video0 is now pvr350/video1 and saa7134/video1 is now saa7134/video0.. :S

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i_is_cat:

its also only half recognizing one of my usb sticks too which isnt very helpful.. the other usb stick works fine tho so i dunno wtf

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sphery:

i_is_cat: did you see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396988#396988

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sphery:

(I'm thinking you were the one who was having problems with MythWeb)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Brian Fuller is coming back to TV: http://www.tv.com/story/17941.html?ref_story_ . . . f_name=story

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iamlindoro:

Posted that days ago, too slow ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I didn't see my nick anywhere near the link...

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iamlindoro:

superdump is having an issue where the tunk FE is failing trying to load one of the menu themes-- think he's a victim of the theme reshuffle?

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iamlindoro:

er trunk

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sphery:

sounds quite possible

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superdump:

it's still doing it after removing all themes and reinstalling them from trunk

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sphery:

if people don't update build scripts/procedures and install myththemes after it gets empties out, they don't get much in the way of themes :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, remember the DB key to override for menu theme, by chance?

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sphery:

superdump: and you did themes and oldthemes?

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superdump:

just themes

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sphery:

mythfrontend -O Theme=MythCenter

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iamlindoro:

menu theme

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iamlindoro:

no UI theme

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iamlindoro:

er not UI

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iamlindoro:

-O Menutheme=Classic ? Maybe?

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sphery:

mythfrontend -O MenuTheme=Classic

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iamlindoro:

superdump, give that a try

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superdump:

i think i left that at default

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superdump:

ok

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wagnerrp:

fuller did dead like me too?

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wagnerrp:

well him coming to heroes is what is finally going to get the show cancelled

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sphery:

One day I'll actually get around to watching that

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