| Thursday, September 10th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:11] | kormoc: | doesn't mean all the extra features are |
| [00:00:12] | kormoc: | what distro? |
| [00:00:20] | i_is_cat: | slack |
| [00:00:20] | kormoc: | and are you on -trunk? |
| [00:00:24] | i_is_cat: | yep |
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| [00:01:15] | iamlindoro: | Oh, kormoc, great new |
| [00:01:17] | iamlindoro: | news |
| [00:01:18] | kormoc: | edit /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php and remove line 17 and give it another go |
| [00:01:25] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: yeah? |
| [00:01:29] | iamlindoro: | I fixed mythweb's streaming |
| [00:01:30] | i_is_cat: | k i will give it a go |
| [00:01:33] | iamlindoro: | - $url = "pl/stream/{$show->chanid}/{$show->recstartts}"; |
| [00:01:33] | iamlindoro: | + $url = "http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/"."pl/stre . . . rtts}"; |
| [00:01:43] | iamlindoro: | Only down side is everyone needs to use 127.0.0.1 from now on ;) |
| [00:01:46] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [00:01:57] | kormoc: | I need to fix that up... |
| [00:01:59] | iamlindoro: | hehehe |
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| [00:03:57] | sphery: | ah, I was thinking that was the php posix stuff wasn't installed, but instead it's the "user didn't configure mythweb.conf properly" error |
| [00:04:25] | i_is_cat: | k so now i'm getting: Warning at /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php, line 23: require(modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php) [function.require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [00:05:44] | i_is_cat: | i just checked it out i dont have a modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl dir :S |
| [00:06:46] | kormoc: | of course, if you just do what sphery is saying and setup the database connection stuff correctly, that'll fix itself |
| [00:06:54] | ** kormoc makes note to fix up error handling ** | |
| [00:08:58] | i_is_cat: | what you're saying mythweb.conf isnt configured properly? |
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| [00:10:08] | ** i_is_cat takes another look at it ** | |
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| [00:14:00] | i_is_cat: | i dunno maybe i'm just stupid or something but it looks fine to me.. |
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| [00:16:44] | kormoc: | so remove line 23 of /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/db_vars_error.php and see what it says? |
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| [00:20:01] | i_is_cat: | i still get the directory listing and when i try mythweb.php its blank |
| [00:20:30] | i_is_cat: | lol and now the apache log is pointing to offending line #28 |
| [00:20:46] | i_is_cat: | this is just bizarre |
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| [00:22:00] | i_is_cat: | the whole file is setup for a tmpl/tmpl directory it looks like, and i dont have one, is it supposed to create it when i go to the webpage or is it supposed to already be there? |
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| [00:23:47] | i_is_cat: | i think theres some setting somewhere i'm missing.. according to the install doc, it says to have mod_env, mod_rewrite, mod_deflate, mod_headers, and mod_auth_digest enabled in http.conf which i checked and they are all listed |
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| [00:47:57] | benklop: | hey guys, is there a way to bind keys for channel up/down and a SEPARATE binding for browse up/down? as it stands, I see I can have a button to enter browse mode, and i can SWITCH browse with chan up/down, but that's not what I want |
| [00:48:03] | benklop: | I want both at the same time |
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| [00:48:47] | f0urtyfive: | lol is it bad if I get a segfault when it tries to record? :D |
| [00:50:11] | benklop: | f0urtyfive: only if you want to record anything |
| [00:50:20] | f0urtyfive: | hehe |
| [00:50:24] | benklop: | otherwise no, it's fine |
| [00:50:27] | f0urtyfive: | its scheduling recordings now! |
| [00:50:35] | f0urtyfive: | so I've solved one problem |
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| [00:51:31] | benklop: | heh, I've been using myth since about 2003 or so and i've always had "just one more problem" |
| [00:51:47] | benklop: | now thankfully it's just bindings I wish could be split up |
| [00:52:09] | f0urtyfive: | yeah, segfaulting is kind of a big "one more problem" :D |
| [00:52:13] | sphery: | i_is_cat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394075#394075 |
| [00:52:43] | sphery: | benklop: split up bindings? |
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| [00:53:34] | benklop: | yeah, there are not separate bindings for browse mode up/down and channel up/down |
| [00:53:55] | benklop: | there is only channel up/down and you can set a checkbox in the settings to have it browse or not |
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| [00:54:57] | benklop: | sphery: ^^ |
| [00:55:25] | f0urtyfive: | WOOO |
| [00:55:27] | f0urtyfive: | fixed |
| [00:55:36] | f0urtyfive: | benklop: incase your curious I needed the dtv_multiplex table :D |
| [00:55:50] | i_is_cat: | sphery, i added that alias line and still get the same thing :S |
| [00:56:11] | benklop: | f0urtyfive: cool :) glad you figured it out |
| [00:56:19] | f0urtyfive: | although... |
| [00:56:28] | f0urtyfive: | my frontend still does crash when I hit escape while watching live tv |
| [00:56:31] | f0urtyfive: | but its always done that |
| [00:56:36] | f0urtyfive: | I get "Illegal instruction" |
| [00:57:07] | benklop: | sounds like you need a less crapped up machine or something |
| [00:57:22] | f0urtyfive: | ? |
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| [00:57:59] | f0urtyfive: | ah no the frontend segfaults too |
| [00:58:11] | f0urtyfive: | while trying to do "kickoffOutputAudioLoop exiting" |
| [00:58:16] | benklop: | it sounds like you have mismatched libraries or something |
| [00:59:16] | f0urtyfive: | its an .deb, how do you get mismatched libs from a package! |
| [00:59:33] | iamlindoro: | illegal instruction = not compiled for your architecture |
| [01:02:23] | f0urtyfive: | how do I Get rid of subtitle info from all my recordings? |
| [01:02:27] | sphery: | benklop: ah, that kind of bindings... that would be a useful change (that allows us to get rid of a stup^H^H^H^H^Hnother setting. |
| [01:03:08] | sphery: | f0urtyfive: why? if it's duplicate-detection related, it probably won't help |
| [01:03:17] | sphery: | so don't start breaking your metadata, yet :) |
| [01:03:45] | f0urtyfive: | sphery: no, I have the visual subtitle data at the top of all my recordings |
| [01:03:50] | f0urtyfive: | like its not clipping it or overscanning enough |
| [01:03:59] | sphery: | i_is_cat: and the alias is for the actual directory you're using (if not using server root)? |
| [01:04:18] | sphery: | f0urtyfive: you mean the VBI data? |
| [01:04:56] | sphery: | if so, you can use the crop filter ( http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 ), overscan, or ignore it |
| [01:05:04] | f0urtyfive: | yea |
| [01:05:08] | f0urtyfive: | thnx |
| [01:05:19] | f0urtyfive: | it was bothering me on the last recording I Was watching :P |
| [01:05:46] | sphery: | crop will just cover it up, overscanning will push it off screen |
| [01:06:09] | sphery: | generally, overscanning is probably the prettiest solution (and all analog TV is supposed to be overscanned, anyway) |
| [01:06:40] | sphery: | but then again, iamlindoro is correct about the illegal instruction |
| [01:07:16] | f0urtyfive: | seperate machines, the illegal instruction is easier to ignore :P |
| [01:07:20] | sphery: | sounds like your myth was compiled for the wrong cpu--probably using some advanced sse or soemthing that your processor doesn't support |
| [01:07:51] | f0urtyfive: | hrmmm |
| [01:07:58] | f0urtyfive: | what cpu opts does a core2quad not support? |
| [01:08:21] | iamlindoro: | "lots and lots of them" |
| [01:08:25] | sphery: | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| [01:08:46] | f0urtyfive: | I already know what opts it SUPPORTS :P |
| [01:08:47] | sphery: | to see what it does support, then compare that with all the instructions supported by all the x86 processors in existence |
| [01:08:53] | f0urtyfive: | lol |
| [01:09:04] | f0urtyfive: | or just recompile a new version instead of using the ubuntu packages |
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| [01:27:15] | benklop: | sphery: the crop filter doesnt really work too well for that use because it crops at least 16 pixels when I only need at most 2 cropped off |
| [01:28:14] | sphery: | yep |
| [01:28:32] | benklop: | plus too many channels put black borders all the way around so cropping doesn't work uniformly for all stations. plus some don't need it, so a crop filter in the playback filter chain is kinda overkill |
| [01:28:38] | sphery: | then again, it's supposed to be overscanned around 16pixels per edge |
| [01:29:14] | benklop: | well overscanning plus an HDTV just means fewer pixels to spread around |
| [01:29:18] | sphery: | guess it's 8 pixels per edge at 720x480 |
| [01:29:51] | sphery: | yep, analog doesn't mix well with hdtv's |
| [01:30:07] | benklop: | i just know that 16 pixels chopped of the top of an sdtv recording looks substantial |
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| [01:57:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/tb.png |
| [01:57:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/frombottom.png |
| [01:57:58] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, this may be the one that displays enough groups for you ;) |
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| [01:58:10] | iamlindoro: | (I only have six presently ) |
| [01:59:45] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: that has a LOT of potential. Honestly, I like that type of layout much better than graphite. I would still want my recGroup list wedged in there somewhere, though. |
| [02:00:14] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I gave that some thought, was thinking just a spinbox type buttonlist would work |
| [02:00:18] | iamlindoro: | ie, only showing the current one |
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| [02:00:56] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Something like the widgets used on the right side of http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/edit.png |
| [02:01:41] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: I played around with just showing the current recGroup, and it would probably be sufficient for a theme like this one. The advantage to having a list, though, is knowing which direction to go, to get to the desired group with the fewest key presses. |
| [02:02:25] | jpabq: | Looking good! |
| [02:02:38] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, The advantage of working on a theme w/ a native res of 1920x1080 is lots of screen real estate :) |
| [02:03:10] | iamlindoro: | can put alllll the info on and still not make people feel like they're in a junkyard ;) |
| [02:03:44] | jpabq: | True. |
| [02:04:09] | iamlindoro: | Am thinking I'll hold out for our animated buttonlists, though, would like to "slide" the recording list up and down |
| [02:04:50] | iamlindoro: | It'll likely be a .23 theme, is what I'm saying :) |
| [02:05:00] | iamlindoro: | But if .23 is in March as we hope, then it won't be too bad |
| [02:05:38] | jpabq: | One advantage to using trunk, is not having to wait. |
| [02:05:53] | iamlindoro: | heh, true |
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| [02:06:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/ |
| [02:06:06] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, ^^ |
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| [02:06:15] | iamlindoro: | That's most of mythvideo-- goal this time is absolute consistency |
| [02:06:39] | sphery: | the problem, though, is you have to bribe him to give you a sneak preview copy of the theme to use :( |
| [02:07:21] | iamlindoro: | The advantage to being the theme author is NEVER having to wait ;) |
| [02:07:36] | iamlindoro: | which is the one thing to offset the many, many downsides |
| [02:07:43] | iamlindoro: | like people and their "suggestions" |
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| [02:08:45] | iamlindoro: | So with this bit done, I can use it to theme the mythvideo tree view and be extra special consistent :) |
| [02:09:13] | iamlindoro: | and since this time I'm using inheritance properly, can do it quick :) |
| [02:09:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:10:00] | iamlindoro: | time me... starting... |
| [02:10:00] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:10:02] | iamlindoro: | now |
| [02:12:41] | iamlindoro: | done |
| [02:13:13] | mag0o: | its been 3 days |
| [02:13:34] | iamlindoro: | That explains the explosive incontinence |
| [02:14:00] | mag0o: | those are quite some runs, if those are your routes @ fecitfacta |
| [02:14:04] | mag0o: | btw |
| [02:14:18] | iamlindoro: | heh, yes, they are-- have been horrible at updating it in the past year |
| [02:14:23] | iamlindoro: | but still at it |
| [02:15:01] | mag0o: | ive just recently worked my way up to 4 miles |
| [02:17:09] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/mv_tree.png |
| [02:17:12] | iamlindoro: | Shazam! |
| [02:17:44] | sphery: | nice |
| [02:17:47] | sphery: | that's MV? |
| [02:18:02] | sphery: | vurry consistent |
| [02:18:15] | iamlindoro: | Yeah |
| [02:18:18] | sphery: | Looks like I need to start watching Gravity, too. |
| [02:18:22] | iamlindoro: | MV, from the actual UI, yadda yadda |
| [02:18:51] | sphery: | you'll be crankin' out themes like there's no tomorrow |
| [02:19:23] | iamlindoro: | In fairness I stole the whole left side from browse mode, and the whole right side from Watch Recordings |
| [02:20:13] | iamlindoro: | But it's stealing from myself, so it's OK ;) |
| [02:20:29] | sphery: | does the license allow that? |
| [02:20:49] | tgm4883: | so stealing from other is bad? |
| [02:20:55] | iamlindoro: | I'm the only one the license allows to do so ;) |
| [02:20:56] | ** tgm4883 puts down iamlindoro's TV ** | |
| [02:21:27] | iamlindoro: | I'd been meaning to replace that thing |
| [02:21:34] | sphery: | wonder if tgm4883 had your projector or screen in his hands... |
| [02:21:43] | iamlindoro: | pain in the butt to develop a 1920x1080 theme on a 1360x768 screen |
| [02:21:48] | iamlindoro: | the projector stays ;) |
| [02:21:56] | sphery: | what res? |
| [02:22:01] | sphery: | 1920x1080? |
| [02:22:41] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [02:25:57] | tgm4883: | sphery, as a thief, i'm not very bright, so it must be the screen |
| [02:26:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:26:32] | sphery: | harder to carry, too |
| [02:26:40] | iamlindoro: | Wheeee, I'm awesome |
| [02:28:36] | ** paperclip thinks about moving to a mythtv closer to trunk ** | |
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| [02:29:36] | paperclip: | nifty that mythweb shows how many fps mythcommflag is processing.. |
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| [02:30:22] | iamlindoro: | So does System Status :) |
| [02:30:52] | paperclip: | hmm.. |
| [02:30:54] | sphery: | and the command-line (when you run in the command line :) |
| [02:30:59] | paperclip: | that's in the other room |
| [02:31:25] | tgm4883: | what about mythtv-status when you ssh in? |
| [02:31:36] | paperclip: | oh... trying that |
| [02:31:54] | ** tgm4883 isn't sure, but wants to know now ** | |
| [02:32:21] | paperclip: | there's no myth-status |
| [02:32:45] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-status is a motd script |
| [02:32:52] | iamlindoro: | ships w/ mythbuntu IIRC |
| [02:32:59] | tgm4883: | ah, must be a addon that distro are putting in |
| [02:33:28] | paperclip: | i'm using mythbuntu 9.04.. |
| [02:33:30] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I don't think it does anymore in mythbuntu |
| [02:33:35] | sphery: | it's a 3rd party script |
| [02:33:45] | iamlindoro: | oh no? Hmm... it used to, anyway |
| [02:33:51] | Dagmar: | THey should probably keep that. It seems too handy |
| [02:33:51] | iamlindoro: | but I'll take your word on it |
| [02:34:17] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, yea at one point it did. IIRC it was pulled because of an issue it had with the backend |
| [02:34:21] | tgm4883: | making it crash and all |
| [02:34:40] | paperclip: | my frontend crashes all the time as it is.. |
| [02:34:43] | tgm4883: | speaking of, I should look that bug up |
| [02:34:50] | paperclip: | backend is stable |
| [02:34:55] | iamlindoro: | But backend crashes are the reason users come up with complex series' of levers and pulleys to keep the backend restarting every five seconds! |
| [02:35:03] | iamlindoro: | And if they don't have that... |
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| [02:35:12] | iamlindoro: | then we might as well just give in to the terrorists now |
| [02:35:13] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You have the know of SQL? |
| [02:35:25] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Only a little bit |
| [02:35:35] | iamlindoro: | kormoc is wise in the ways of SQL |
| [02:35:42] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, true. I keep getting promisses that upstart will be able to do that all on it's own |
| [02:35:44] | paperclip: | i thought time/place shifting content was terrorism? |
| [02:35:45] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Okay. THat new guy seems like he might have found an actual bug in mythtv-setup |
| [02:36:02] | tgm4883: | which always seems to be current release +1 |
| [02:36:07] | ** iamlindoro fervently prays it's not the one bit of SQL he checked in to mythtv-setup a few weeks ago ;) ** | |
| [02:36:11] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: WHen you enable strict mode in mysql, it breaks one of the calls that tries to add channels |
| [02:36:11] | Dagmar: | Very fun |
| [02:36:22] | iamlindoro: | ah, you can ask sphery about that |
| [02:36:30] | iamlindoro: | as strict mode is apparently an unsupported config |
| [02:36:33] | Dagmar: | Okay. I figured there was someone who knew their SQL back to front |
| [02:37:03] | Dagmar: | I'm sure it is, but it blew some drupal people out of the water as well and I'm trying to figure out if myth is naughty or if it's really a mysql bug |
| [02:37:14] | j-rod: | ticket #7026: closed->worksforme, you're a muppet, this isn't the help desk? |
| [02:37:15] | sphery: | Dagmar: we don't support strict mode |
| [02:37:21] | Dagmar: | Well, obviously |
| [02:37:46] | sphery: | which bit? |
| [02:38:18] | Dagmar: | When it's pushing channels into the database from within mythtv-setup it quietly fails because no value was applied to one of the text fields |
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| [02:38:54] | Dagmar: | In theory this is fixed in mysql 5.5 |
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| [02:41:25] | sphery: | it may have been SQL written by someone who expected default values they applied to the text fields to work ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6802 and #6811 and #6820 ) |
| [02:41:55] | sphery: | probably worth reporting |
| [02:43:02] | Dagmar: | Ahh... similar bugs. Cool |
| [02:44:06] | kormoc: | I'll be fixing them soon (hopefully). We'll be specifying a sql mode on the sql connection and thus things should work as expected without the rest of the server having to be modified |
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| [02:46:41] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [02:47:23] | Dagmar: | Cool. |
| [02:47:39] | Dagmar: | This guy woudln't have run into it except he's using mysql on win32, and they ship that with strict mode enabled by default |
| [02:47:44] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [02:47:59] | mattwj2002: | well guys I got my new motherboard :D |
| [02:48:49] | mattwj2002: | it is working great :D |
| [02:48:58] | sphery: | kormoc: I was looking at the SQL mode yesterday. A user with a Windows MySQL server ran into the "Windows MySQL enables STRICT_TRANS_TABLES by default" issue and mentioned that it also enables NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER (which doesn't affect us), and NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION. It seems NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION is one we should enable to prevent issues caused by invalid MythWeather when users don't enable InnoDB. I haven't looked at ... |
| [02:49:04] | sphery: | ... others to see which ones make sense. |
| [02:49:24] | kormoc: | Yeah, that one would be really useful |
| [02:51:06] | dashcloud: | while sorting out what channels my channel scan picked up, I realized that as much as I would love to have all my channels in clearqam, if they were, it would be my second job to keep up with all of them (or am I overthinking that?) |
| [02:51:35] | Dagmar: | Yes, but for the wrong reasons |
| [02:51:50] | thedarkone: | hey dagmar |
| [02:51:53] | paperclip: | matt2154_: what'd you get? |
| [02:51:58] | Dagmar: | Cable providers are working hard to eliminate that for anything except the things they're required by law to send out unecnrypted |
| [02:52:05] | thedarkone: | i have a odd problem |
| [02:52:20] | Dagmar: | ...which is to say, broadcast TV stations, and their sorry-ass subchannel stepchildren |
| [02:52:20] | mattwj2002: | paperclip did you mean me? |
| [02:52:29] | paperclip: | yes |
| [02:52:41] | mattwj2002: | ASUS M3N78-EM |
| [02:52:50] | sphery: | kormoc: Ok, it seems that's the only one we'd want. |
| [02:52:54] | thedarkone: | if i setup mythtv with alsa and turn master to 75 and control volume by pcm i get a wicked hiss |
| [02:52:59] | sphery: | all the others are bad or irrelevant |
| [02:53:02] | mattwj2002: | it isn't the fanciest thing around....it will auto over clock |
| [02:53:28] | mattwj2002: | *overclock |
| [02:53:28] | paperclip: | ahh.. was hoping for another ionitx user |
| [02:53:29] | [R]: | thedarkone: so lower the master |
| [02:53:40] | sphery: | thedarkone: ground loop (or whatever it's called?) |
| [02:53:44] | paperclip: | auto.. that's pretty nice |
| [02:53:54] | ** j-rod decides to just stay the hell out of tickets... ** | |
| [02:53:59] | mattwj2002: | yup...considering I have quad cores it is really nice :D |
| [02:54:01] | thedarkone: | ground loop |
| [02:54:02] | thedarkone: | ? |
| [02:54:10] | Dagmar: | mattwj2002: Does the video chipset on that support any hardware-accellerated decompression of video? |
| [02:54:13] | mattwj2002: | it wasn't an update as much as a replacement |
| [02:54:20] | kormoc: | www.lmgtfy.com?q=ground%20loop |
| [02:54:47] | Dagmar: | Thankfully, ground loops are pretty easy to kill |
| [02:54:53] | thedarkone: | if i lower master to 60 then can't hear tv playing unless i turn tv volume to 46 |
| [02:54:58] | Dagmar: | ...assuming you can find a good ground _somewhere_ nearby to use |
| [02:55:06] | sphery: | since that's not "let me Goggle that for you", I'll guess it was for him, not for me (meaning I said the wrong thing) |
| [02:55:07] | mattwj2002: | Dagmar good question |
| [02:55:09] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:55:33] | Dagmar: | mattwj2002: Well, that's an 8300 and I thought the 8400 is where vdpau support starts |
| [02:55:35] | kormoc: | sphery: right, it was for him :P |
| [02:55:39] | [R]: | thedarkone: well whats PCM set to? |
| [02:55:46] | thedarkone: | 100 |
| [02:55:47] | sphery: | yay, I maybe used the right term |
| [02:55:59] | [R]: | thedarkone: and if you lower that? |
| [02:56:07] | thedarkone: | no sound |
| [02:56:15] | [R]: | Dagmar: 8200/8300 onboard supports vdpau |
| [02:56:21] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: It does this when you run speaker-test, too, right? |
| [02:56:28] | Dagmar: | [R]: COol. |
| [02:56:29] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [02:56:37] | Dagmar: | I'll have to double-check that and add it to the card matrix page then |
| [02:56:41] | [R]: | thedarkone: if you lower it slightly from 100 and get no sound... there is seomrhign seriously wrong with your connection and/or your sound device |
| [02:56:45] | thedarkone: | it a new motherboard |
| [02:57:00] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: THat won't matter to a ground loop. Do you own a multimeter? |
| [02:57:03] | ** mattwj2002 swears ** | |
| [02:57:09] | thedarkone: | no |
| [02:57:13] | Dagmar: | Drat |
| [02:57:14] | thedarkone: | i don't |
| [02:57:22] | Dagmar: | Is your stuff plugged into different outlets? |
| [02:57:33] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [02:57:35] | mattwj2002: | my mythtv frontend keeps locking up |
| [02:57:42] | Dagmar: | That would probably do it then |
| [02:57:51] | thedarkone: | i see |
| [02:58:08] | thedarkone: | well wondern if it is cause also by front audio |
| [02:58:10] | mattwj2002: | Xorg is running at 98% |
| [02:58:11] | ** sphery wonders if it's bad that his favorite show is described, "WHY YOU MIGHT LOVE IT: Hot guys hunting demons..." ** | |
| [02:58:13] | mattwj2002: | o.O |
| [02:58:15] | sphery: | http://www.tv.com/story/17909.html?tag=person . . . news;title;2 |
| [02:58:20] | thedarkone: | there was 10 pins |
| [02:58:21] | [R]: | mattwj2002: what graphics card? |
| [02:58:25] | thedarkone: | i jump 2 sets |
| [02:58:31] | mattwj2002: | onboard video |
| [02:58:34] | Dagmar: | sphery: THat's probably not good at any rate |
| [02:58:36] | [R]: | mattwj2002: what |
| [02:58:51] | mattwj2002: | NVIDIA GeForce 8300 |
| [02:58:52] | kormoc: | thedarkone: the *right* pins? |
| [02:59:06] | [R]: | mattwj2002: theres a tip floating out there on the wiki about doing noevents or something like that in your config |
| [02:59:07] | thedarkone: | i did just like my old one |
| [02:59:24] | sphery: | UseEvents |
| [02:59:25] | thedarkone: | in manual don't tell u what ones to jump |
| [02:59:25] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: It's freaking easy to mess up the passthru jumpers on the chipsets trying hard to follow intel-hda's footsteps |
| [02:59:30] | [R]: | thedarkone: well you can't make stuff up |
| [02:59:33] | kormoc: | thedarkone: are you using the front audio? |
| [02:59:34] | sphery: | UseEvents, Luuuuuke |
| [02:59:40] | thedarkone: | no |
| [02:59:54] | Dagmar: | mattwj2002: It's listed in the nVidia README for hte driver |
| [02:59:55] | kormoc: | thedarkone: so remove it and see if it helps |
| [03:00:01] | thedarkone: | i will |
| [03:00:16] | Dagmar: | The front audio will likely be setup as a headset output |
| [03:00:27] | Dagmar: | You dont' wanna pass that to your stereo |
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| [03:01:22] | mattwj2002: | [R] what does that disable? |
| [03:01:34] | Dagmar: | Headphone output and line-level are "close" to each other, but you'll have a grand old time getting the volume under control if you're passing headphone output to a line input |
| [03:01:41] | [R]: | mattwj2002: as Dagmar said... its in the nvidia documentation |
| [03:01:46] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [03:01:54] | Dagmar: | It doesn't disable anytM3N78-EMhing |
| [03:01:57] | mattwj2002: | yeah I am actually using the mythubuntu drivers |
| [03:02:18] | Dagmar: | It just tells X that it should use a wait() loop instead of what amounts to a spinlock |
| [03:02:19] | mattwj2002: | the "restrictive" drivers |
| [03:02:33] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [03:02:53] | Dagmar: | Turn on useevents and CPU usages will drop for playback of anything much involving vdpau/XvmC |
| [03:03:44] | Dagmar: | That's one of the few "applicable everywhere" options specific to the nVidia driver |
| [03:03:45] | mattwj2002: | yeah right now I am just playing back mpeg video analog |
| [03:04:14] | nuonguy: | how can I make mythmusic play .m4a files? |
| [03:04:14] | Dagmar: | Well, since it's 8xxx we know it's not doing Xv accelleration, but it can't hurt |
| [03:04:30] | iamlindoro: | by sitting around for two weeks and upgrading to .22 |
| [03:04:35] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: Find a lawyer? |
| [03:04:48] | [R]: | iamlindoro: lol |
| [03:04:49] | thedarkone: | still does it |
| [03:04:50] | nuonguy: | for real? |
| [03:04:54] | thedarkone: | but better |
| [03:05:09] | iamlindoro: | .m4a is a recognized extension in the forthcoming .22, yes |
| [03:05:18] | Dagmar: | Maybe. Make sure you've actually got support for that format in some library or other and make sure mythmusic saw it |
| [03:05:19] | nuonguy: | are you saying this is a known issue with .21? |
| [03:05:30] | Dagmar: | If you DO have support for it, you just need to tell MythMusic to actually believe that's a music file |
| [03:05:39] | nuonguy: | it's in my playlist |
| [03:05:44] | Dagmar: | No, I'm saying it's somethign easily compiled out |
| [03:05:55] | Dagmar: | Hello patent restrictions |
| [03:06:16] | nuonguy: | I get my mythtv stuff from rpmfusion — is there a runtime way to detect whether it's compiled in? |
| [03:06:22] | Dagmar: | --enable-aac should turn it on |
| [03:06:35] | Dagmar: | ldd? |
| [03:06:37] | sphery: | Wow... I just realized that today was the same day in both the US /and/ Europe. 09/09/09. |
| [03:06:45] | iamlindoro: | mythmusic has a hardcoded set of recognized extensions. |
| [03:06:49] | [R]: | sphery: rofl |
| [03:07:34] | nuonguy: | ldd: libfaad.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libfaad.so.2 (0x0000003946e00000) |
| [03:07:55] | Dagmar: | I can't remember if it gets that from flac or faad |
| [03:08:41] | Dagmar: | See also http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/390411 |
| [03:11:01] | nuonguy: | I don't quite understand that |
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| [03:11:20] | nuonguy: | I added a .m4a file to a playlist, and it shows up when I play music |
| [03:11:28] | Dagmar: | How did you add it? |
| [03:11:39] | nuonguy: | using the mythmusic browser |
| [03:11:51] | Dagmar: | So you told it to scan and it found them on it's own? |
| [03:11:57] | nuonguy: | yes |
| [03:12:41] | mattwj2002: | you guys are awesome! |
| [03:12:42] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:13:05] | Dagmar: | No idea then unless it was built without aac support |
| [03:13:20] | Dagmar: | ldd will show you both direct and indirect dependencies |
| [03:13:22] | mattwj2002: | besides a few spikes |
| [03:13:26] | Dagmar: | I'm trying to remember the other way |
| [03:13:32] | mattwj2002: | it is hooving around 2 or 3 percentage |
| [03:13:33] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:14:29] | Dagmar: | objdump? |
| [03:14:51] | mattwj2002: | I should try HD |
| [03:14:57] | mattwj2002: | bbiab |
| [03:15:07] | nuonguy: | mythfrontend shows this when I ask it to play my .m4a file: MusicPlayer: Failed to create decoder for playback |
| [03:15:33] | Dagmar: | No wait thta's not it |
| [03:16:07] | Dagmar: | This is what I get for writing code to do things |
| [03:16:22] | thedarkone: | dagmar i forgot to set alsamixer |
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| [03:16:30] | thedarkone: | i had mic on |
| [03:17:06] | Dagmar: | Ah... |
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| [03:17:26] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: readelf -d /path/to/libmythmusic.so | less |
| [03:17:53] | Dagmar: | WHat I meant by ldd listing both direct and indirect dependencies is that if binary foo has libdiggity as a dependency it'll show that |
| [03:18:21] | Dagmar: | ...and if libdiggity has a dependency of libbogus it'll show THAT as well, even though the thing you threw it at doesn't actually link to libbogus itself |
| [03:18:41] | Dagmar: | If you use readelf like that you'll see ONLY the libraries that something links to directly |
| [03:19:12] | Dagmar: | SO much of this stuff links to each other that ldd isn't as useful as it could be sometimes |
| [03:20:33] | Dagmar: | Either way, it 0.21-fixes *should* be able to play m4a files |
| [03:20:56] | nuonguy: | http://fpaste.org/gbV6/ |
| [03:21:08] | nuonguy: | I see flac in there |
| [03:21:49] | Dagmar: | ...but faad isn't |
| [03:21:52] | Dagmar: | looking more |
| [03:22:06] | nuonguy: | right, why would that be? |
| [03:22:39] | Dagmar: | Someone didn't compile it with --enable-aac |
| [03:23:20] | Dagmar: | faad is what's needed for aac/mp4 support according to the readme |
| [03:23:49] | Dagmar: | libfaad definitely is of the directly-linked variety here |
| [03:24:13] | nuonguy: | should I take this up with the rpmfusion people? |
| [03:24:20] | Dagmar: | Possibly |
| [03:24:36] | nuonguy: | well, thanks for the insight |
| [03:26:39] | Dagmar: | http://pastebin.com/d27274267 |
| [03:26:43] | Dagmar: | THat's what shows up on my end |
| [03:27:04] | Dagmar: | ...although it doesn't much matter to me since I've got zero music in aac format |
| [03:27:43] | Dagmar: | I'm at a coffee house, and the connection here is heavily lagged. Switching between subwindows doesn't always land on the same one |
| [03:28:00] | Dagmar: | SO I just send that pastebin link to a few channels that time |
| [03:30:54] | nuonguy: | that's ok, they all needed to see it |
| [03:34:15] | sphery: | Heh, so Parker Bros aren't web server admins... http://www.monopolycitystreets.com/ is the game they started today (to get people interested in Monopoly City, their new board game) and http://monopolycitystreets.com/ is proof that they're just winging it (in spite of the fact that Google is supposed to be helping). |
| [03:35:13] | ** iamlindoro blames CentOS... AGAIN ** | |
| [03:39:36] | kormoc: | I demand they uninstall that CentOS software package that replaced the IIS server... |
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| [03:40:48] | Dagmar: | That's like blaming the toothpaste company for putting DHMO in thei product |
| [03:41:27] | kormoc: | Dagmar: don't get the reference? |
| [03:41:53] | kormoc: | http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 |
| [03:42:30] | Dagmar: | I'm still a little spun by ctl+alt+del today |
| [03:42:55] | sphery: | hmmm... I'm getting a ReCAPTCHA with the "word from a scanned book" and it has a comma or a semicolon after it. I wonder if I'm supposed to include that (or if the book will end up wrong if I don't)... |
| [03:42:59] | Dagmar: | I remember that story now |
| [03:43:18] | Dagmar: | sphery: It'll probably take either if it's visually ambiguous enough |
| [03:44:17] | sphery: | it did |
| [03:44:32] | sphery: | so now I don't have a bad book scan on my conscience |
| [03:46:51] | Dagmar: | They don't hand those captchas to just one person |
| [03:47:02] | Dagmar: | They hand the same one to a lot of people, repeatedly and over time |
| [03:47:26] | Dagmar: | If bots are solving them, good for the bots. |
| [03:47:56] | Dagmar: | Mainly it's assumed that people outnumber bots, so that even though one person might get it wrong, multiple people are likely to get it right, and if one comes up with a lot of fuxx factor, they sort it out latert |
| [03:48:26] | sphery: | Yeah, but if all the people who typed in the word did it without the comma, then they might not know. Since the instructions said "type the words"... |
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| [03:48:59] | sphery: | I figure this way, I've flagged it so that someone on the "book-scanning team" will look at it, too. :) |
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| [03:49:23] | Dagmar: | Most people afaik just type in exactly what they see without worrying about whether they're all "words" or not |
| [03:49:36] | Dagmar: | The stuff in hte window is all most people look at. |
| [03:49:58] | Dagmar: | You could probably put "your mother wears army boots" in a small font below the recaptcha and it would be hours before someone would notce |
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| [03:50:35] | Dagmar: | To be a smart-ass I put a fake captcha on a site once that had the text below it 'Please type "I am not a bot" in the space below.' |
| [03:50:40] | Dagmar: | 9 people failed it |
| [03:50:45] | Dagmar: | ...out of 40 |
| [03:50:54] | sphery: | heh |
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| [03:51:11] | sphery: | I tend to fail captcha enough that I've begun to wonder if I'm not a human. |
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| [03:51:45] | sphery: | And I have a strange compulsion to seek out kormoc and destroy him before he stops the machine's uprising... |
| [03:52:46] | Dagmar: | It's when you start asking reading comprehension questions and bot solve those correctly that you should worry. |
| [03:52:56] | Dagmar: | We *know* people will fail those, and often. |
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| [04:14:24] | mattwj2002: | hi guys I have another question |
| [04:15:19] | mattwj2002: | does anyone know how to fix the online streams in mythbuntu 8.10 for shoutcast? |
| [04:15:31] | mattwj2002: | #ubuntu-mythtv seems pretty dead |
| [04:16:30] | iamlindoro: | I for one have no idea how to fix an unsupported and deprecated plugin on an out of date copy of a distro we don't support. ;) |
| [04:16:39] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [04:16:59] | mattwj2002: | just thought I would ask |
| [04:17:00] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [04:17:14] | iamlindoro: | You could e-mail the mythstream guy |
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| [04:22:42] | [R]: | i see vdpau now supporst multiple streams... is that gonna "just work" in myth... or does myth need to be changed? |
| [04:22:54] | iamlindoro: | Myth needs code to do it |
| [04:23:12] | iamlindoro: | though the only place it would be of any value (and it would be marginal) would be PIP and PBP |
| [04:23:20] | [R]: | pbp? |
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| [04:23:26] | iamlindoro: | picture by picture |
| [04:23:32] | [R]: | i'm thinking about the epg |
| [04:24:09] | iamlindoro: | There's no place to use multiple streams in the EPG |
| [04:24:25] | [R]: | i thought someone said you coudn't see the preveiwe in the epg |
| [04:24:42] | iamlindoro: | That had nothing to do w/ multiple stream handling |
| [04:24:55] | iamlindoro: | it had to do with VDPAU and MythUI not playing nicely together, and has been fixed |
| [04:25:04] | [R]: | oh, thats good |
| [04:25:15] | [R]: | my hard drive is coming on fri |
| [04:25:17] | [R]: | i'm so excited |
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| [04:26:28] | paperclip: | ok.. I'm about to install ubuntu on my server.. does myth-backend need an X server? |
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| [04:27:49] | iamlindoro: | it needs the x libs, and you'll at least need to be able to forward X somewhere to run mythtv-setup |
| [04:27:59] | iamlindoro: | but you do not need the x server running on a regular basis, no |
| [04:29:52] | [R]: | iamlindoro: do you use vdpau? |
| [04:29:58] | iamlindoro: | sometimes, yes |
| [04:30:02] | paperclip: | hmm.. I'm guessing that if i install the server.. then tell it to grab myth-backend it won't be smart enough to just grab the xlibs |
| [04:30:26] | [R]: | iamlindoro: i'm reading that the vdpau scaling isn't so good... does this effect myth and should i not be using it for non hd resolutions? |
| [04:30:57] | iamlindoro: | scaling in VDPAU seems fine to me |
| [04:31:02] | paperclip: | scaling looks pretty good to me too |
| [04:31:19] | paperclip: | like 720p scaled to 1920x1080 looks great |
| [04:31:37] | [R]: | i mean SD to 1080 scaling |
| [04:31:46] | iamlindoro: | no worse than Xv |
| [04:31:54] | [R]: | hrm |
| [04:31:56] | [R]: | ok |
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| [04:47:09] | paperclip: | so.. I'm wondering.. Will it be a problem if my backend is ubuntu 8.04 LTS and my frontend is mythbuntu 9.04 if both are using packages from the avenard repo? |
| [04:47:21] | paperclip: | it looks like he has packages for hardy |
| [04:47:42] | [R]: | paperclip: if the myth version is the same, the os around it is irrelevent |
| [04:47:56] | paperclip: | that what I thought.. |
| [04:48:10] | paperclip: | i should verify that the hardy packages do exist.. |
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| [04:48:54] | paperclip: | might be a problem when 0.22 and Mythbuntu 9.10 come out tho |
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| [05:05:07] | android60: | i just want to be sure I have this correct. If I have an nfs or samba share mounted where recordings go or with other video files say 1080p h264, all the work except for sending the file info and data is done on the receiving machine right? not on the computer storing it |
| [05:05:16] | android60: | by work i mean decoding and playing |
| [05:08:09] | tank-man: | sure |
| [05:08:15] | tank-man: | you are correct |
| [05:08:43] | android60: | ok |
| [05:09:21] | android60: | and does anyone know if the hvr 1800 analog is supported on .22? I know the issue with .21 involves the driver and myth not getting the feed from right spot or something along those lines. just wondering if its fixed in .22 |
| [05:09:36] | dserban__: | is there some way I can play/pause toggle with one key in myth? |
| [05:11:42] | tank-man: | dserban_, yes |
| [05:11:49] | tank-man: | the "p" key on the keyboard |
| [05:11:54] | iamlindoro: | android60, There is nothing for myth to fix |
| [05:12:04] | iamlindoro: | android60, They need to get the driver fixed before myth will ever be able to use it |
| [05:12:26] | dserban__: | tank-man, when I'm in edit keys, play under music isn't defined, just pause is... so p applies to play and pause? |
| [05:13:20] | tank-man: | I dont know what you are refering to when you say you are "in edit keys" |
| [05:13:27] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [05:13:34] | mattwj2002: | I have a problem |
| [05:14:08] | dserban__: | tank-man, in mythcontrols |
| [05:14:25] | mattwj2002: | I am playing HD 1080i and Xorg is taking up 94% of one of my cores |
| [05:14:26] | dserban__: | where pause and others as well as play are defined with keys on the keyboard |
| [05:14:30] | tank-man: | Im not familiar with mythcontrols |
| [05:14:40] | mattwj2002: | I am using an HDHomeRun |
| [05:15:01] | mattwj2002: | Analog is fine |
| [05:15:31] | mattwj2002: | it seems to play fine just using a lot of CPU cycles |
| [05:16:02] | dserban__: | ok. it's in mythtv :) |
| [05:16:06] | dserban__: | it's a plugin |
| [05:16:08] | iamlindoro: | mattwj2002, HD decode, deinterlace, and playback is non-trivial, it's *supposed* to take a lot of cycles |
| [05:16:22] | iamlindoro: | many times moreso than analog playback |
| [05:16:52] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [05:16:53] | dserban__: | anyway, I have a front usb keyboard on my case which has a button labeled ||> ... which is a toggle for pause and play... anyway I can make that happen in the definitions for the keys assigned to those functions? |
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| [05:17:11] | mattwj2002: | I have to say it looks quite beautiful on my 1080p monitor :D |
| [05:18:05] | mattwj2002: | I guess I was expecting the graphics to off load a lot of this |
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| [05:18:49] | iamlindoro: | When we release a VDPAU capable version of Myth in a few weks, assuming you have a new enough nVidia GPU, it will |
| [05:18:53] | iamlindoro: | weeks |
| [05:19:21] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [05:19:39] | mattwj2002: | new version of myth coming out in a few weeks? |
| [05:19:39] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [05:19:43] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [05:19:52] | mattwj2002: | awesome! |
| [05:20:40] | mattwj2002: | well it isn't a big deal like I said....it is playing well |
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| [05:52:04] | Doug8796: | hey guys |
| [05:52:15] | Doug8796: | is there a r5000 mod for hughes/directv |
| [05:52:22] | Doug8796: | HD |
| [05:52:35] | ** cesman wonders what r5000 is... ** | |
| [05:52:50] | wagnerrp: | the r5000 is a violation of your service contract |
| [05:52:54] | wagnerrp: | so talk of it is not allowed in here |
| [05:53:31] | ** cesman was thinking it was something along those lines... ** | |
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| [05:54:26] | Doug8796: | lol |
| [05:54:34] | Doug8796: | but isnt it more efficient |
| [05:54:36] | Doug8796: | how much is the pvr? |
| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | personally, i have no problem with the r5000, but it has been decided not to support such a device |
| [05:56:48] | wagnerrp: | do you mean a pvr? or an hdpvr? |
| [05:57:37] | juski: | wtf? Has hell finally frozen over? http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/09/media-cent . . . requirement/ |
| [05:57:42] | wagnerrp: | pvrs are typically the PVR150 and PVR500, analog encoder cards used for capture |
| [05:57:54] | Doug8796: | hdpvr |
| [05:57:55] | wagnerrp: | the hdpvr is a HD component encoder box |
| [05:58:03] | wagnerrp: | and is usually ~$200 |
| [05:58:10] | wagnerrp: | but can be found as low as $150 |
| [05:58:35] | Doug8796: | is it efficient? |
| [05:58:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [05:59:29] | wagnerrp: | theyre both hardware encoders, you CPU does next to nothing |
| [05:59:55] | juski: | I mean seriously – has hell frozen over?! Cablecards are allegedly going to be available to enthusiasts according to engadget.com. Anybody know any more? |
| [06:00:02] | Doug8796: | what works better |
| [06:00:08] | Doug8796: | r5000 or hdpvr |
| [06:00:19] | wagnerrp: | hdpvr... the r5000 is unsupported |
| [06:00:24] | wagnerrp: | i.e.... does not work at all |
| [06:00:24] | juski: | Doug8796: r5000 isn't supported & you can't talk about it here |
| [06:01:53] | Doug8796: | where is r5000 supported |
| [06:02:05] | juski: | Doug8796: how many times? You can't talk about it here |
| [06:02:57] | Wicked: | hmm so what does that mean juski? |
| [06:03:52] | juski: | Wicked: that means that if that story is true, USA cable subscribers will eventually be able to buy (in the near future) an approved solution to record digital cable & enjoy everything they pay for |
| [06:03:54] | Wicked: | seems like its a windows thing? all the articles im seeing are windows |
| [06:04:08] | Wicked: | very interesting... |
| [06:04:30] | juski: | not just very interesting – it's the one thing many people thought would never happen |
| [06:05:39] | wagnerrp: | juski: now the question is... what are the chances of OSS support? |
| [06:05:53] | Doug8796: | is model 1212 the betst |
| [06:05:57] | wagnerrp: | considering the cards are hardly usable even in a WMC machine |
| [06:05:59] | juski: | same as with any new tuner I guess |
| [06:06:11] | wagnerrp: | Doug8796: there is only one single HDPVR |
| [06:06:40] | mattwj2002: | honestly I don't care too much until they work well with Linux |
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| [06:06:49] | mattwj2002: | if that ever happens |
| [06:06:56] | juski: | Doug8796: other manufacturers have announced they're going to bring out HD encoding capture devices but nobody has ever seen them yet |
| [06:07:00] | wagnerrp: | juski: i imagine it would be a fair bit harder, because the card is expecting some sort of handshaking, to ensure encryption |
| [06:07:59] | juski: | wagnerrp: yeah, but it's the holy frickin grail isn't it – so I doubt any driver attempts would fail for a lack of effort or determination ;) |
| [06:08:41] | wagnerrp: | the other question, what is the legality of such a device |
| [06:08:51] | wagnerrp: | its a licensed device, so your provider cannot complain |
| [06:09:02] | juski: | exactly |
| [06:09:04] | wagnerrp: | but are you violating DMCA in some manner by using the device |
| [06:09:14] | iamlindoro: | juski, http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/ |
| [06:09:26] | iamlindoro: | juski, Lots of new developments, I'm curious about your thoughts |
| [06:10:51] | juski: | kinawesome. That's my thought |
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| [06:11:16] | iamlindoro: | Heh, nice :) |
| [06:11:22] | iamlindoro: | I'm very happy with how it's turning out so far |
| [06:11:28] | wagnerrp: | youre certainly trying to distance yourself from the old layout as much as possible |
| [06:11:31] | wagnerrp: | playbackbox looks great |
| [06:11:57] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, Graphite was a messy learning experience, but lessons well learned |
| [06:12:06] | iamlindoro: | thanks, btw |
| [06:12:21] | mattwj2002: | what we need is a company like pcHDTV to design one specifically for linux.....so they can handle all of the legal aspects with the DCMA and such |
| [06:12:37] | iamlindoro: | My proud papa moment of the night was the right side of the PBB |
| [06:12:39] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: not gonna happen... ever |
| [06:12:47] | mattwj2002: | how cares if some of the code has to be closed source if it works |
| [06:12:50] | mattwj2002: | *who |
| [06:13:00] | iamlindoro: | 2/3rd fo the area is eligible for button items, but it builds from the bottom |
| [06:13:03] | wagnerrp: | you dont understand what those cards do |
| [06:13:11] | iamlindoro: | so w/ fewer items, you see more fanart :) |
| [06:13:17] | wagnerrp: | those cards merely record the encrypted stream |
| [06:13:31] | wagnerrp: | decoding happens during playback |
| [06:13:43] | wagnerrp: | and it is a requirement of the card that it happens in that manner |
| [06:13:54] | wagnerrp: | so unencrypted video never hits the hard drive |
| [06:14:10] | Doug8796: | i wish they had 1080p support |
| [06:14:17] | Doug8796: | some of directv's channels are in 1080p |
| [06:14:21] | Wicked: | ah you have to get one of those cablecards for tivos right? |
| [06:14:25] | juski: | HDPVR goes up to 1080p |
| [06:14:25] | wagnerrp: | its in some closed, protected memory from the moment it get decoded by the card, to the moment it gets pumped out of hdmi/hdcp by the video card |
| [06:14:31] | wagnerrp: | juski: 1080i |
| [06:14:36] | Doug8796: | it said it just works with 1080i |
| [06:14:38] | juski: | thought it did 1080p |
| [06:15:07] | juski: | Doug8796: so get the satellite company's DVR then :) |
| [06:15:23] | Doug8796: | then i cant record them permanently |
| [06:15:28] | juski: | or don't – and tell them WHY :D |
| [06:15:36] | juski: | awww |
| [06:15:55] | Doug8796: | or record ps3/360 |
| [06:16:09] | juski: | we need many more abstainers in the world. then at some point all these companies might stop being assholes |
| [06:16:43] | juski: | unlikely to ever happen. Joe Schmoe is happy with the crap they farm out |
| [06:17:35] | juski: | and is any TV worth keeping forever? If yes, just buy the box set on bluray :) |
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| [06:18:24] | juski: | prolly work out cheaper than a satellite subscription if you factor in how much your time costs. Recording, transcoding, messing around... |
| [06:20:12] | juski: | if you filter out just the stuff you really want from cable/satellite content – i.e. not just the dross you might watch to pass the time I bet it works out cheaper to get stuff on discs |
| [06:21:32] | dserban__: | can I specify a keycode that binds to say... ctrl + p? can that be done with it? |
| [06:22:04] | [R]: | dserban__: why ctrl p? |
| [06:23:03] | dserban__: | [R], to have my media key play audio ... it's what's defined in myth controls... I suppose I can change which key is required to hit play.. but I was merely curious... the man page isn't exactly clear to me atm :P |
| [06:23:34] | [R]: | the man page of what? |
| [06:23:39] | [R]: | and why not juwt change it? |
| [06:23:41] | juski: | [R]: why not CTRL + P ? |
| [06:23:41] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [06:24:19] | mattwj2002: | so is component the highest quality recording off of a cable box besides of qam recording or firewire? |
| [06:24:20] | dserban__: | [R], man page for xmodmap |
| [06:24:33] | [R]: | mattwj2002: yes |
| [06:24:43] | dserban__: | [R], I can change it, I was just hoping to find out if I could |
| [06:24:44] | iamlindoro: | since QAM doesn't come off a box, it's second to firewire, yes |
| [06:24:44] | [R]: | dserban__: why don't you just cahnge the bidning instead of hacking around it? |
| [06:25:03] | juski: | iamlindoro: anyway fella. You saw the theming rule book, ripped it up, lit the bits on fire & scattered the ashes far & wide |
| [06:25:08] | juski: | :D |
| [06:25:17] | dserban__: | [R], well I can like I said ... merely curious |
| [06:25:21] | iamlindoro: | juski, Heh, in a good way I hope ;_) |
| [06:25:23] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [06:25:48] | dserban__: | iamlindoro, is that stuff for .22? It looks extremely seksi gj |
| [06:25:50] | juski: | iamlindoro: way to 'think outside the box'. |
| [06:25:58] | wagnerrp: | im guessing thats going to be the hardest part of theming for the next version or two of mythtv |
| [06:26:04] | iamlindoro: | dserban_, It's only five days old-- .23 most likely |
| [06:26:07] | wagnerrp: | everyone is still thinking 'inside the box' |
| [06:26:10] | wagnerrp: | creativity is hard |
| [06:26:20] | juski: | wagnerrp: yeah it was always kinda comforting to be restricted sometimes |
| [06:26:29] | iamlindoro: | theming itself is hard... by the time you understand the concepts you're 75% of the way through something |
| [06:26:34] | iamlindoro: | and then you look at it and go... yecchhhhh |
| [06:26:38] | juski: | I'll probably never do a good mythui theme |
| [06:26:43] | dserban__: | hah yep... been there |
| [06:27:09] | iamlindoro: | So Arclight is my chance to set Graphite on fire and pee out the flames |
| [06:27:22] | juski: | maybe an 'ok' one at some point but not til I put new toys in the painter |
| [06:27:33] | dserban__: | it looks extremely nice, though I may poke and change things here and there, but that's because I'm neurotic... anyhoo .. back to fsckin' with xmodmap and my technically challenged wireless keyboard |
| [06:27:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh, technically speaking its license will preclude you from changing it |
| [06:27:57] | iamlindoro: | not that I'd ever know |
| [06:28:08] | dserban__: | :o license? |
| [06:28:11] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [06:28:25] | iamlindoro: | No copy, no distribute, no derivative works, and you can buy the fonts, too |
| [06:28:32] | dserban__: | lol |
| [06:28:43] | dserban__: | can I look at it maybe? or does that cost as well? |
| [06:28:48] | dserban__: | :P |
| [06:28:50] | wagnerrp: | presumably to prevent questions on how to modify it |
| [06:29:00] | iamlindoro: | I won't make a penny-- just don't care the make anything using OSS fonts, they all suck |
| [06:29:04] | juski: | wagnerrp: it won't prevent that. nothing will save him ;) |
| [06:29:18] | iamlindoro: | So I'm no compromising, and if people want to use it, they can buy a $15 font :) |
| [06:29:23] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro... i want to change this particular aspect... can you show me how? while your at it, could you just send the patch my way? |
| [06:29:34] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, heh |
| [06:29:38] | dserban__: | heh |
| [06:29:42] | juski: | wagnerrp: the correct answer is GDIAF |
| [06:30:11] | juski: | I came out of 'friendly requests' a bit er.. damaged |
| [06:31:02] | mattwj2002: | is there an alternative to the Hauppauge HD-PVR Model 1212 for recording component video? |
| [06:31:05] | iamlindoro: | I learned that lesson too :) |
| [06:31:10] | juski: | mattwj2002: no |
| [06:31:11] | wagnerrp: | currently, no |
| [06:31:16] | mattwj2002: | crap |
| [06:31:20] | wagnerrp: | there are other component video recorders available |
| [06:31:20] | iamlindoro: | all e-mail w/ Graphite in the subject line that don't come through the list are summarily deleted :) |
| [06:31:22] | mattwj2002: | it is so darn expensive :( |
| [06:31:23] | wagnerrp: | but none of them do HD |
| [06:31:29] | iamlindoro: | I've deleted five this week! |
| [06:31:34] | juski: | last CES there were loads on show but nobody's seen them since |
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| [06:32:18] | juski: | hauppauge had theirs, the usual suspects also had models. So far only the HDPVR is the only one |
| [06:33:06] | juski: | and as for linux support, it looks to the most casual observer as if Hauppauge are the only company who care a damn |
| [06:33:12] | juski: | :) |
| [06:33:42] | dserban__: | hah one more question... how did the bar get entered in mythcontrols without it wanting to insert Shift+| ? |
| [06:34:05] | juski: | wonder what it was like in that board meeting. Hey, anybody have any idea how many PVR cards we've sold for use in linux? Oh my GOD.. |
| [06:34:08] | wagnerrp: | apparently BlackMagic is offering linux drivers.... for all the good a non-HDCP framegrabber would do |
| [06:34:10] | [R]: | dserban__: huh? |
| [06:34:21] | mattwj2002: | well more business for them :D |
| [06:35:15] | dserban__: | [R], heh... ok... grasp this. |
| [06:35:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Plus they're not v4l drivers |
| [06:35:45] | iamlindoro: | need to build against their "SDK" PFFFFFFFFT |
| [06:36:29] | dserban__: | when I use mythcontrols, under the front end, I want to assign say.. the bar (pipe character) to an action... then... when it asks me to enter the binding... it asks if Shift+| are what I want to bind... since shift is a modifier (...) in xmodmap... grr let me try this again |
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| [06:37:32] | dserban__: | right... so at all times I'd have to hit shift to enter it via keyboard... but i'm binding... grr forget it... I know it works heh... just asking a rhetorical question now i guess... and I don't want it answered... frick... I need some sleep |
| [06:40:00] | dserban__: | sorry for killin' the convo |
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| [06:41:04] | dserban__: | err heh |
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| [07:12:28] | reyy: | hi |
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| [07:31:13] | juski: | heh. just heard from my Sky+ PVR owning friend. He lost everything again. They're gonna bring him his 7th box on Saturday |
| [07:31:27] | juski: | I'd have thought he'd have had enough by now. heh |
| [07:32:45] | oobe: | you mean he looses all his recordings then installs a replacement then looses all his recordings again |
| [07:32:49] | juski: | I only lost *everything* I'd recorded once, and that was an rm -rf operation |
| [07:32:52] | oobe: | that's brilliant |
| [07:32:56] | juski: | oobe: yeah pretty much |
| [07:33:15] | oobe: | i wonder if mythtv will get that feature |
| [07:33:27] | juski: | even when it 'works' the recordings have random chunks of time missing if there's any weather |
| [07:33:32] | oobe: | oh wait that would suck |
| [07:34:02] | oobe: | i spose you have told him about mythtv what is his objection |
| [07:34:06] | Dibblah: | That's silly. He should have taken backups. |
| [07:34:09] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait. ;) |
| [07:34:10] | juski: | given the choice between paying £££ a year for that & having to put up with crap like that & not.. I'll take the 'not' option |
| [07:35:03] | juski: | wonder how many STBs it'll take for him to think about getting something else |
| [07:35:23] | juski: | er I mean stop thinking about something else & get something else :) |
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| [07:36:17] | juski: | people talk about mythtv being ready for the big time – in terms of stability I reckon it's past that point already if my mate's Sky+ experience is anything to go by |
| [07:36:56] | sid3windr: | so, if I submit a patch that randomly corrupts or deletes a bunch of recording every random 2–6 months and call it defaultstbbehaviour.diff |
| [07:36:59] | sid3windr: | will someone commit it? |
| [07:37:00] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [07:37:18] | juski: | if R.Murdoch had commit access.. ;-) |
| [07:37:42] | Dibblah: | If only the CAM issue wasn't so thorny. |
| [07:37:52] | juski: | I wish he was more like Robert Maxwell |
| [07:37:55] | juski: | ;) |
| [07:38:22] | sid3windr: | don't say maxell |
| [07:38:23] | sid3windr: | +w |
| [07:38:27] | sid3windr: | you just put the nanny in my head =) |
| [07:38:35] | juski: | the nanny? |
| [07:39:01] | sid3windr: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106080/ – The Nanny |
| [07:39:10] | sid3windr: | fran drescher etc |
| [07:39:24] | juski: | still... ? |
| [07:39:44] | sid3windr: | boss is called maxwell sheffield |
| [07:39:55] | sid3windr: | and I can just hear her say it now.. OOOOOOHH MAAAAAAAAAAAXWELLLLLLLLLL |
| [07:39:57] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [07:40:04] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:40:05] | sid3windr: | it's been on tv too many times ;/ |
| [07:40:08] | [R]: | that was suhc a great show |
| [07:40:26] | juski: | I can safely say I'll never see it :) |
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| [07:40:34] | ** Dibblah is busy building a new computer desk. Out of real big wood. ** | |
| [07:40:59] | sid3windr: | do we really want to know about your real big wood.. :p |
| [07:41:08] | Dibblah: | And has discovered that his new jointer (planer) / thicknesser is not so great :( |
| [07:41:11] | [R]: | i think i need to get a new desk |
| [07:41:18] | [R]: | m ycurrent one is really crappy and it was from this really cheap store |
| [07:41:40] | juski: | I got a hand-me-down from my dad. it's like a proper office desk |
| [07:41:57] | juski: | scuffed & scraped to hell now I've had it a while though |
| [07:41:59] | Dibblah: | This is going to be custom and wavey. For 2 people. |
| [07:42:07] | juski: | heh |
| [07:42:55] | AndyCap: | Thicknesser?!? I guess these are all technical terms. :> |
| [07:44:27] | juski: | I want a router, table saw, clamps.. and a pony |
| [07:44:38] | juski: | oh and a nice big workshop |
| [07:45:13] | juski: | had to play chicken with the automagical bollards in the car park this morning on the way in. Oh dear |
| [07:46:34] | juski: | stupid things are controlled by the building CCTV DVR. The illuminated sign which tells you 'stop' is controlled by the DVR too – separately from the bollards themselves. Stupid idea |
| [07:47:06] | AndyCap: | Hahaa |
| [07:47:09] | juski: | so technically it's possible for the green light to be on when the bollards are in operation :( |
| [07:47:46] | juski: | somebody's car got wiped out by one a while back – it was a write off. the indicator was green for 'go' |
| [07:48:12] | sid3windr: | uhh |
| [07:48:13] | juski: | company argued the toss & it's gone to court. guy no longer works here |
| [07:48:16] | sid3windr: | what does the dvr done? |
| [07:48:20] | sid3windr: | *do |
| [07:48:23] | sid3windr: | read license plates? |
| [07:48:27] | juski: | yep |
| [07:48:41] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [07:49:08] | juski: | some guy was messing with it at lunchtime one day. the indicator was green & the bollards came up as somebody was coming into the car park. bang |
| [07:49:09] | [R]: | bollards? |
| [07:49:17] | AndyCap: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWnfeDtnuds |
| [07:49:55] | juski: | these aren't as fast as the ones in any of the youtube vids but they can still get ya |
| [07:50:30] | juski: | put it this way, drive at the 5mph limit we have for our car parking & they can come up before you've passed over em |
| [07:50:31] | [R]: | oh damn |
| [07:50:42] | [R]: | thats so weird |
| [07:51:02] | juski: | the indicator lights should be controlled by the PLC that controls the barrier |
| [07:51:38] | juski: | like turn lights red, wait a while, raise barrier. lower barrier, wait a bit, turn indicator lights green. |
| [07:51:46] | AndyCap: | or they could make the bollards spiky. |
| [07:51:51] | juski: | then just send 'barrier up' 'barrier down' to the barrier controller. but no |
| [07:53:31] | [R]: | so that video |
| [07:53:36] | [R]: | is it t hat only certain people can go through? |
| [07:54:09] | juski: | supposedly |
| [07:54:21] | AndyCap: | [R]: public transport I think, but dunno if that reads plates or does something else, like a remote control |
| [07:54:42] | juski: | yeah it's ANPR based that one |
| [07:54:49] | [R]: | crazy british |
| [07:54:51] | [R]: | thats all i have to say |
| [07:55:14] | juski: | great way to enforce bus lanes! |
| [07:55:31] | juski: | you'd have to be a proper numpty to take those things on |
| [07:55:42] | juski: | the video shows that pretty well ;) |
| [07:55:42] | AndyCap: | the head of the driver makes quite an impression in the windshield of the large white van |
| [07:56:11] | AndyCap: | so if you are going to do stupid stuff like that, wear your seatbelt. |
| [07:56:34] | [R]: | you should always weaar your seatbelt |
| [07:56:36] | [R]: | regardless if you are being an idiot |
| [07:56:51] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [07:57:01] | laga_: | ha |
| [07:57:08] | [R]: | is it not the law in england? |
| [07:57:09] | juski: | thought it was the passenger |
| [07:57:35] | AndyCap: | juski: ah, of course. |
| [07:58:23] | AndyCap: | It was clearer with the mercedes when the airbags deployed. |
| [07:58:40] | juski: | do em for criminal damage, driving without due care.. and travelling while not wearing a seatbelt :D |
| [07:59:33] | AndyCap: | and a violation of no entry or whatever the signs posted are? :) |
| [08:02:53] | juski: | rofl. just seen this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMLt28n0-M&feature=related |
| [08:06:30] | juski: | one thing. why is there even a mythtv NZ mailing list? |
| [08:06:50] | juski: | there must be all of ooo a hundred users there |
| [08:10:02] | laga_: | they probably don't want to be subjected to mythtv-users |
| [08:10:28] | juski: | so why not just have a mythtv-users-with-a-clue ? |
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| [08:11:12] | juski: | oh wait. I see the problem with that. People think they have a clue already |
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| [08:41:41] | juski: | heh. a guy working on **** mythtv suppoer calls himself Davros |
| [08:41:45] | juski: | *support |
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| [08:46:45] | mzb: | juski, prob. because Steve Ellis (?) sells mythtv boxes |
| [08:47:07] | mzb: | (can't recall his name exactly) |
| [08:48:18] | mzb: | http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/ |
| [08:48:23] | mzb: | (got the name right) |
| [08:49:26] | juski: | what's that got to do with anything? |
| [08:50:03] | mzb: | http://www.openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/ |
| [08:50:44] | mzb: | assuming he's actually doing business, you'd expect there to be _some_ mythtv users in nz ;) |
| [08:55:16] | mzb: | I met him at LCA 2008 (Melbourne) and looks like he came here this year: http://www.openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/2009/01/ . . . rt-tasmania/ |
| [08:55:25] | mzb: | is that relevant enough for you? |
| [08:56:01] | juski: | my point is, separate mailing lists for countries... |
| [08:56:05] | juski: | where's it gonna end? |
| [08:56:19] | juski: | mythtv-users-uk-only-use-it-on-wednesdays ? |
| [08:58:24] | mzb: | New Zealanders have some special requirements (not including sheep;)) |
| [08:58:55] | juski: | looking at the kind of posts they have there I'd say they're not that special a case |
| [08:59:36] | juski: | just saddens me to see fragmentation where it's not necessarily needed |
| [08:59:42] | mzb: | and I think you'll find (if I remember what Steve said) there are some important differences in the law (for eg.) that make his business possible ... whereas it would be more difficult (or require a different product) in Australia |
| [09:00:13] | juski: | so it's his own list? that'd be a different story |
| [09:00:22] | mzb: | I didn't say that |
| [09:00:39] | mzb: | I'd guess they'd still have "normal" mythtv questions too! |
| [09:00:57] | ** mzb summoned for food ** | |
| [09:03:19] | ** juski wonders what spec the PC is on the desk of the guy who left the other week ** | |
| [09:04:09] | juski: | if it's better than a 900Mhz Duron I'm having it! |
| [09:04:35] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [09:05:32] | paperclip: | what sort of tv do they have in NZ? |
| [09:05:41] | juski: | DVB-T |
| [09:05:50] | paperclip: | strictly? |
| [09:05:52] | juski: | HD over DVB-T too. lucky sods |
| [09:06:06] | paperclip: | i guess it's compact enough |
| [09:06:11] | juski: | they can probably get 'Sky' there too |
| [09:06:24] | juski: | i.e. pay TV by DVB-S |
| [09:06:32] | paperclip: | hmm |
| [09:06:41] | juski: | doubt there's much cable ;) |
| [09:06:56] | paperclip: | why not? |
| [09:07:13] | juski: | low population density? I dunno |
| [09:07:19] | paperclip: | heh |
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| [09:08:14] | wombo_: | NZ is similar to Aus |
| [09:08:22] | wombo_: | HD and SD over DVB-T |
| [09:08:27] | cityLights: | hi all well, is trunk in "beta" status? |
| [09:08:37] | juski: | is it ever? Course it is |
| [09:08:37] | wombo_: | we have some cable here in Aus, but very very limited |
| [09:08:42] | wombo_: | I think NZ is the same |
| [09:09:11] | cityLights: | is there anyone from NJ that can get dvb-t support in trunk? |
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| [09:09:19] | cityLights: | I mean playback? |
| [09:10:18] | juski: | NJ – dvb-t ? WTF |
| [09:10:38] | juski: | no DVB-T in the USA man |
| [09:10:44] | cityLights: | sorry |
| [09:10:48] | cityLights: | ment NZ |
| [09:10:54] | peque: | Hey Guys. At a time I had mythbackendlog access through mythweb – but after an reinstall of the system I haven't get that options. IIs it becaurse I haven't installet my SBE yet or is it anything else |
| [09:11:25] | juski: | thought seeing MBE logs in mythweb was enabled by default |
| [09:11:33] | juski: | as in – it's a feature & can't be turned off |
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| [09:12:06] | paperclip: | wombo_: according to wikipedia it's pretty much dvb-t in NZ |
| [09:12:53] | cityLights: | as far as I know NZ has dvb-t |
| [09:13:09] | cityLights: | it sends mpeg4 avc |
| [09:13:24] | peque: | well – haven't got it through mythweb! So where can I enable that feature |
| [09:13:32] | cityLights: | which mean lower bitrate then mpeg2 |
| [09:13:43] | paperclip: | apparently there are a few channels available nationwide via dvb-s |
| [09:13:45] | juski: | the only caveat I can think of is that they need that silly LATM thing for NZ |
| [09:14:01] | cityLights: | right |
| [09:14:11] | wombo_: | yeah |
| [09:14:11] | juski: | which is now included in trunk |
| [09:14:17] | wombo_: | LATN is not in Aus |
| [09:14:20] | juski: | so it'll be fine for 0.22 |
| [09:14:23] | cityLights: | yet it is not solved |
| [09:14:33] | juski: | yeah your HD in Oz is mpeg2 |
| [09:14:35] | cityLights: | as you can't playback using myth |
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| [09:15:09] | cityLights: | juski: should I upgrade to trunk now? |
| [09:16:05] | paperclip: | why would such a small market chose to use different technology for television? Seems it's not even compatible with AUS |
| [09:16:14] | juski: | why not? |
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| [09:16:34] | juski: | cityLights: totally up to you. if you don't NEED what trunk offers right now, wait for 0.22 |
| [09:16:42] | paperclip: | can't get cheap consumer electronics from anywhere |
| [09:16:47] | cityLights: | mpeg2 is really old.... |
| [09:16:58] | juski: | 0.22 might only be 6 weeks or so away |
| [09:17:08] | cityLights: | :-\ |
| [09:17:18] | juski: | :-\ yourself |
| [09:17:29] | cityLights: | I got this problem with right to left – that maybe solved in trunk |
| [09:17:42] | cityLights: | yet I do know of two other problems in trunk |
| [09:17:59] | juski: | RTL text? sheesh. Get with the civilised world already :) |
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| [09:18:20] | cityLights: | I am sorry |
| [09:18:32] | cityLights: | wish I had the skills to solve that |
| [09:18:38] | paperclip: | are PAL B and G common in europe? |
| [09:18:44] | cityLights: | es |
| [09:18:45] | cityLights: | yes |
| [09:18:51] | paperclip: | with NICAM audio? |
| [09:18:53] | wombo_: | I think NZ had to use a different standard MPEG2 was not compatible with their Sheep management systems |
| [09:18:56] | juski: | paperclip: yes |
| [09:18:58] | paperclip: | heh |
| [09:19:03] | paperclip: | Sheep |
| [09:19:12] | juski: | PAL is dying out. RIP analogue TV |
| [09:19:54] | juski: | regarding 'enabling' log access in mythweb.. I've never 'enabled' it & yet there it is. Just works (tm) |
| [09:20:15] | juski: | appears as a menu link along with Listings, Searches, Recordings etc |
| [09:20:31] | juski: | in trunk it may have been moved |
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| [09:21:32] | juski: | if you're not seeing the log link in the menu, I guess your setup is broken |
| [09:22:44] | ** paperclip wonders if Adaptec support really opens in 38 minutes ** | |
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| [09:26:13] | peque: | Just compiled 21756 in mythplugins – copyed mythplugins/mythweb – to srv/http/mythweb – but still no access to the file |
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| [09:27:03] | juski: | so you see the link but it doesn't work? |
| [09:27:17] | peque: | I'm running trunk (but had it earlier – but not now) – and no – dont see the link at all? |
| [09:27:23] | juski: | then you should read the README & INSTALL files :) |
| [09:28:04] | juski: | and then search the -dev & -commits lists to look for any mention of changes to how mythweb works since 0.21 |
| [09:28:18] | juski: | like a good trunk user :) |
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| [09:31:47] | BhaalWK: | I wonder if they will be able to get 0.22 into the next Mythbuntu release... |
| [09:32:09] | BhaalWK: | One question, with a 0.22 frontend run off a 0.21 backend? |
| [09:32:17] | juski: | NO |
| [09:32:19] | BhaalWK: | s/with/will |
| [09:32:20] | juski: | absolutely not |
| [09:32:23] | BhaalWK: | Bugger... |
| [09:32:24] | wombo_: | I hope it will make it in |
| [09:32:37] | wombo_: | and no .21 and .22 will not work together |
| [09:32:42] | paperclip: | i think mythbuntu 9.10 will get 0.22 |
| [09:33:12] | paperclip: | if not at release, shortly after |
| [09:33:22] | juski: | for best result, use version of mythtv the same always! |
| [09:33:36] | juski: | no mixy version worky! |
| [09:33:37] | BhaalWK: | Hrm, well hopefully Jaunty will upgrade happily then, my backend is more then just mythtv .. its general file server and asterisk server etc etc |
| [09:33:56] | BhaalWK: | juski: I didnt think so, but was worth asking :) |
| [09:35:29] | BhaalWK: | I guess I wont be doing any upgrades until I have a few things sorted, like an image of my current system ... |
| [09:36:32] | BhaalWK: | The frontend is easy to sort out, just switch drives, I only use small drives as it is *just* a frontend in the lounge room ... but the backend is a large system... |
| [09:37:33] | juski: | what I used to do is back up the database & take out the / drive in the backend, put a new one in. install.. import the database, run mythtv-setup... start the new backend :) |
| [09:37:36] | mzb: | nfs root? ;) |
| [09:38:04] | mzb: | (do away with the drive altogether;P) |
| [09:38:50] | juski: | I need to get to the bottom of why sometimes lirc isn't starting on my frontend |
| [09:38:55] | BhaalWK: | mzb: diskless boot has been a though... |
| [09:39:09] | juski: | diskless booting is fairly easy to get the hang of |
| [09:39:16] | juski: | I mean if I can do it :) |
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| [09:44:45] | BhaalWK: | hahaha |
| [09:45:23] | juski: | when 0.22 is out proper I might ditch ubuntu once & for all |
| [09:45:50] | juski: | for the frontend anyway. way too slow at booting up |
| [09:46:07] | BhaalWK: | Does anyone have any recommendations for a miniPC frontend which has a hassle free mythtv install? Needs s-video or composite out and spdif outputs |
| [09:46:08] | mzb: | I like to use Debian for anything of importance ;) (ie: tv) |
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| [09:46:30] | juski: | BhaalWK: avoid EPIA hardware like the plague |
| [09:46:39] | juski: | you said hassle-free :) |
| [09:46:41] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [09:46:59] | juski: | mzb: even you admit you had a right chow on getting it to play nice |
| [09:47:03] | BhaalWK: | juski: okey, so any suggestions of known working hardware? |
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| [09:47:32] | juski: | notice you didn't say *cheap*. It ain't gonna be cheap |
| [09:47:58] | BhaalWK: | juski: well at the moment, I know suitable candidates are not likely to be cheap ... |
| [09:48:21] | juski: | FWIW you might aswell plump for something HDTV capable – but that'd prolly mean upgrading your TV too |
| [09:48:27] | mzb: | yeah, took me a while to remember that 99% of the information on the net is published by narcissistic 13 year olds |
| [09:48:35] | BhaalWK: | Im just sick of wasting watts on a frontend with no tuners or anything like that |
| [09:48:53] | mzb: | your time is cheaper? :) |
| [09:49:24] | juski: | buy a mac mini. Job done |
| [09:49:47] | BhaalWK: | juski: Well I would rather not upgrade my TV ... its an 80cm flatscreen which uses 80watts when running, anything close to that in LCD plasma will be 2–3x the amount of power consumption |
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| [09:50:07] | juski: | good looking. small. quiet. and not really any more expensive than an equivalent PC solution. not that there is one |
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| [09:50:41] | mzb: | asus eeepc box? |
| [09:50:57] | juski: | for the money, not worth it for only SDTV playback |
| [09:51:04] | mzb: | fair enough |
| [09:51:04] | BhaalWK: | mzb eeeBox ... not capable .. at least the B202's arent... |
| [09:51:34] | juski: | there's that ugly looking little shiny black box... |
| [09:51:35] | BhaalWK: | mzb: I have a 202 at home for my desktop ... Its barely even capable of SDTV |
| [09:51:40] | juski: | can't remember what it's called |
| [09:51:50] | BhaalWK: | juski: Fit PC? |
| [09:51:54] | juski: | yeah that's it |
| [09:52:00] | juski: | that *might* do |
| [09:52:07] | BhaalWK: | Ive looked at it, doesnt seem to have the outputs I need... |
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| [09:52:39] | juski: | nvidia ion platform might be a good buy if you can get one with svideo out |
| [09:53:08] | BhaalWK: | Hrm... |
| [09:53:39] | BhaalWK: | If I could find a notebook with the right stuff then I would go with it, they usually arent to power hungry... |
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| [09:54:10] | juski: | you could of course do what I did & grab a mobile-CPU compatible motherboard with everything onboard & buy a 2nd hand mobile C2D CPU |
| [09:54:13] | BhaalWK: | I have a number of notebooks, but they either dont have spdif or svideo... |
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| [09:54:21] | juski: | got SPDIF & svideo out :) |
| [09:54:32] | juski: | cost me about £100 exluding PSU & case all told |
| [09:54:46] | BhaalWK: | juski: That is one thought I have had... |
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| [09:54:52] | juski: | hardly small or good looking though |
| [09:55:08] | BhaalWK: | juski: Well I have a nice case and all that jazz |
| [09:55:34] | BhaalWK: | I guess I could just fix the suspend stuff ... |
| [09:56:09] | BhaalWK: | I played with it to get it to suspend when it was a front/backend ... Had to do funky stuff coz of the tuner card modules ... but now I just cant get it to play ball... |
| [09:56:32] | mzb: | you can get mini-itx am2 mobos with nv6150 onboard iirc |
| [09:56:48] | mzb: | ~au$50–80 on ebay |
| [09:57:27] | BhaalWK: | mzb: Hrm |
| [09:57:31] | BhaalWK: | mzb: You in .au? |
| [09:58:55] | mzb: | yeah, on the south island ;) |
| [09:59:06] | BhaalWK: | haha |
| [09:59:07] | wombo_: | lol |
| [09:59:15] | wombo_: | well im in the West Desert |
| [09:59:24] | mzb: | aha |
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| [10:00:09] | wombo_: | (Or the place of shops close it 6am, closed all day sunday and no daylight savings) grrr stupid state |
| [10:00:32] | BhaalWK: | mzb: Using amd worries me... |
| [10:00:40] | BhaalWK: | mzb: Im an intel person... |
| [10:01:03] | mzb: | whatever suits you |
| [10:01:40] | peque: | The new Asus EEE EB1012 is capable of HD |
| [10:02:09] | BhaalWK: | Is the Intel GMA 950 chipset a pain at all? |
| [10:04:52] | juski: | nope |
| [10:04:55] | juski: | not in my experience |
| [10:05:03] | BhaalWK: | fast enough for HD? |
| [10:05:19] | juski: | no use for HD acceleration – it's all down to your CPU |
| [10:07:37] | BhaalWK: | Okey to post urls here? |
| [10:09:04] | laga_: | sure |
| [10:09:14] | BhaalWK: | mzb: like this? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/J-W-MINIX-MINI-ITX-780 . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [10:10:16] | mzb: | 170358387901 |
| [10:10:46] | mzb: | BhaalWK, that one doesn't have s-video |
| [10:11:58] | mzb: | 260453140130 |
| [10:12:57] | BhaalWK: | Hrm... |
| [10:13:06] | BhaalWK: | Maybe I wait for the EB1012 to come out... |
| [10:13:20] | BhaalWK: | If that will install easily it will be worth the $$$ I think... |
| [10:14:03] | BhaalWK: | But it probably dont have svideo ... |
| [10:14:10] | BhaalWK: | But I can convert from hdmi to svideo |
| [10:14:26] | mzb: | f0rk s-video, check this out: 330310373768 |
| [10:15:09] | BhaalWK: | I dont see an svideo port :S |
| [10:15:23] | mzb: | :) |
| [10:16:02] | mzb: | s-video will make you choice harder unless you get a graphics card |
| [10:16:07] | mzb: | (in general) |
| [10:16:16] | BhaalWK: | yah... |
| [10:16:57] | BhaalWK: | But a converter is reasonably cheap... |
| [10:17:46] | mzb: | then get something with HDMI only ? |
| [10:19:40] | mzb: | (or DVI at least) |
| [10:20:02] | BhaalWK: | yah |
| [10:20:13] | mzb: | I'd guess your only other requirement would be CPU (speed/flavour) |
| [10:20:17] | BhaalWK: | Bah... Need to gvie up on this for the night and do some work :S |
| [10:20:43] | BhaalWK: | Thanks for the help though, given me something to think/agonise over.. :) |
| [10:20:59] | mzb: | np have fun |
| [10:21:12] | BhaalWK: | With work? Not a chance :) |
| [10:25:44] | mzb: | :) |
| [10:31:45] | juski: | I left my options open there. I can add a pci-e video card for when I need HD :) |
| [10:32:36] | juski: | buying something upgradeable is cheaper than replacing it completely in the long run |
| [10:35:19] | juski: | via might yet come up with the goods for something to contend with nvidia ion but let's not all hold our breath :) |
| [10:53:43] | oobe: | i just replaced my cpu and mobo i got a phenom 550 with a really cheap but feature rich mobo that unlocks it to a quad core |
| [10:54:01] | oobe: | very cheap but excellent solution |
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| [10:54:33] | juski: | not much use for mythtv really, til libavcodec is properly threaded |
| [10:54:50] | juski: | I mean, quad cores won't help you playing back video right now |
| [10:55:01] | juski: | unless it's sliced H.264 |
| [10:55:04] | sid3windr: | you mean it allows you to use the broken cores or something? :p |
| [10:55:53] | juski: | wouldn't it just be SUPERB if Upnp actually worked & was jazzy? Then we'd not even need a PC to use as a frontend :) |
| [10:55:57] | oobe: | sid3windr, yea but not all cores are broken |
| [10:56:07] | juski: | oh wait what am I on crack or something? Lol |
| [10:56:12] | oobe: | and if they are then just let it be dual core |
| [10:56:35] | sid3windr: | juski: I don't think upnp supports skipping ads does it ;) |
| [10:56:46] | juski: | UK TV doesn't support it either |
| [10:56:50] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [10:57:00] | juski: | so I'd miss precisely nothing :) |
| [10:57:15] | oobe: | sid3windr, around 80% unlock without issue |
| [10:57:19] | juski: | I'd miss timestretch & arbitrary skipping though |
| [10:57:39] | juski: | could live without timestretch but not arb. skipping |
| [10:58:10] | juski: | hardware companies are still missing a trick. I thought appletv would shake them into action but apparently not |
| [10:58:29] | juski: | UIs on standalone network media player devices are *still* NASTY |
| [10:59:05] | juski: | they either look nasty, are bitches to operate or both |
| [10:59:47] | juski: | people moan about how much mythtv gets wrong, but they should see what others fail to get even nearly right :) |
| [11:00:18] | juski: | how long has mythtv been around now & we're still waiting for the convergence appliance? ;) |
| [11:02:26] | juski: | hey I think arch linux finally has something going for it. They don't ship pulseaudio with it |
| [11:04:20] | laga_: | slackware doesn't either |
| [11:05:24] | juski: | never did get round to paring a slack install right down to the bone |
| [11:05:47] | juski: | then again, didn't see the need to when I really thought about it. disk space is cheap |
| [11:06:02] | laga_: | slack and arch are not exactly bloated |
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| [11:39:36] | juski: | heh. I should sign up to pigeon-net.com for uploading files to my web space |
| [11:39:59] | juski: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8248056.stm |
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| [11:46:02] | laga_: | yes, *sending* data with _A_DSL can be quite slow |
| [11:47:16] | laga_: | and if it takes one hour to load four GB on their boxen, something is wrong ;) |
| [11:47:18] | juski: | sending it with cable can be quite slow too :( |
| [11:47:44] | laga_: | yeah, all consumer pipes these days are asymmetric |
| [11:47:58] | laga_: | i could get 100Mbit/s down and 2.5 up. |
| [11:48:04] | juski: | aye well moving to business broadband would mean I'd have to charge a subscription fee |
| [11:48:17] | juski: | not forking out that much wonga for a hibby enterprise :) |
| [11:48:23] | juski: | *hobby even |
| [11:48:44] | laga_: | enterprise? what are you doing? |
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| [11:50:06] | juski: | podcasting to a few hundred listeners a month :) |
| [11:50:21] | juski: | <300 |
| [11:50:30] | laga_: | your dance stuff? |
| [11:50:33] | juski: | aye |
| [11:50:52] | laga_: | ooh. link? |
| [11:50:57] | laga_: | would be good for coding |
| [11:51:45] | juski: | I'll PM it if you don't mind. got more than enough subs for my bandwidth allowance as it is ;) |
| [11:52:01] | laga_: | sure |
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| [12:00:25] | wombo_: | Just setup a HDHomeRun in AUS. They are amazing, so easy to setup and configure for Mythtv and no artifacts like I used to get with my Dvico Dual Digital 4 |
| [12:08:29] | gbee: | wombo_: congratulations on the new job |
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| [12:31:05] | juski: | must have a much better tuner than the PCI card – not that it's often difficult ;) |
| [12:32:39] | wombo_: | To give you an example of the difference. I never used to be able to tune channel 9, now I get it perfectly. Also the same for Channel SBS |
| [12:33:44] | juski: | then again I've often said that the inside of a PC is no place for sensitive RF devices ;) |
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| [12:53:13] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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| [13:06:37] | gbee: | I'd probably make use of a few HDHomeRuns, especially if they produce a DVB-S2 version |
| [13:07:52] | gbee: | although routing the cabling is no easier (still means going down on the outside wall) at least I could potentially make the run with a single cable and not four |
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| [13:12:25] | gbee: | hmm, they are pricey and I'm cheap ... |
| [13:12:57] | wombo_: | yeah they are pricey |
| [13:13:00] | juski: | heh it'd almost be as cheap to build slave backends |
| [13:13:10] | wombo_: | but im never going to use anything else anymore |
| [13:13:12] | juski: | even taking into account the electricity usage of a whole PC... |
| [13:13:26] | wombo_: | if I need more tuner it will be a HDHR without question |
| [13:13:57] | juski: | prolly just a thing of economy of scale innit |
| [13:14:43] | juski: | hmmm.. hacked openwrt router, USB tuner cards.. |
| [13:15:31] | juski: | did I read somewhere that someone had mythbackend running on an NSLU ? |
| [13:15:58] | juski: | obviously not hosting the mysql server on that too.. way too short on RAM for that |
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| [13:24:57] | gbee: | NSLUG? |
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| [13:28:02] | GreyFoxx: | NSLUG is a linux user group here :) |
| [13:29:39] | juski: | yeah it was some linksys linuxy router-y thing |
| [13:29:48] | juski: | maybe only NSLU |
| [13:29:54] | gbee: | Nova Scotia I assume? |
| [13:30:56] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_On_NSLU2 there we go |
| [13:31:37] | gbee: | juski: dunno why, but I thought of a device that had 'slug' in it, maybe I'm just mis-remembering |
| [13:32:12] | juski: | it has an association in my memory too |
| [13:32:27] | jams: | it is sometimes referred to as a slug |
| [13:34:23] | juski: | how hard would it be to make a HDHR-ish box anyway? assuming the tuners were any use |
| [13:34:43] | juski: | plenty of linuxy routers with USB :) |
| [13:35:15] | gbee: | not so much the difficulty but the hassle |
| [13:35:23] | wombo_: | yeah |
| [13:35:43] | juski: | aye quite a time vampire making the first one |
| [13:35:59] | juski: | getting it reliable enough, yada yada |
| [13:36:05] | gbee: | damn, why is the mythmusic -wide theme broken all of sudden? |
| [13:36:23] | juski: | not guilty, I hope |
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| [13:41:15] | gbee: | nah, somehow ended up with a screwy theme directory, rm -rf'd it and reinstalled |
| [13:41:42] | gbee: | good news is that GANT and blue are no longer installed :) |
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| [13:53:14] | juski: | does that mean they've .. been .. moved? |
| [13:55:18] | sphery: | oldthemes |
| [13:58:14] | juski: | it was the beginning of the end for the old dears. heheheheh |
| [14:03:23] | iamlindoro: | Heh: http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/mythgame.png |
| [14:03:44] | iamlindoro: | This consistency thing sure makes theming some parts fast ;) |
| [14:04:46] | juski: | faster to make, and yet ... better :) |
| [14:04:58] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that |
| [14:05:13] | iamlindoro: | I only joke because that took me all of 45 seconds from start to finish |
| [14:05:17] | gbee: | it's largely because I threw some variety into Terra to demo things that it's taking so long ... well that and I'm having to write some code :/ |
| [14:05:18] | juski: | common widgetry FTW |
| [14:05:56] | juski: | no more adding custom widgets in plugins :) |
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| [14:06:33] | juski: | if it's good enough for your code, it's bloody well good enough for the rest of mythtv too :) |
| [14:06:39] | iamlindoro: | Well, and I think I'm using inheritance MUCH more wisely this time |
| [14:06:53] | iamlindoro: | I understood *what* it was w/ Graphite, but definitely didn't understand how best to use it |
| [14:07:34] | juski: | wuh, all the screens lookey samey :( |
| [14:07:35] | juski: | ;) |
| [14:07:54] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [14:08:17] | juski: | you & your sticking to a small number of fonts & colours |
| [14:08:32] | juski: | we've got a whole pallette of 65536 to choose from! |
| [14:08:53] | gbee: | yeah, one danger of that is that you become disorientated, it's why I've stuck a title in every page of Terra and in my next theme each plugin etc will carry over the main menu icon |
| [14:09:55] | juski: | I dunno about making every screen look the same but it'll be nice to at least have the freedom to do that |
| [14:09:55] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_menu.png << Those icons will appear somewhere on the page |
| [14:12:27] | iamlindoro: | I don't care to have the all *look* the same, but the big key is that they *act* the same |
| [14:12:51] | iamlindoro: | and yeah, onec if figute out some sleek clock/location indicator I'll add one, but still up in the air about it |
| [14:13:39] | iamlindoro: | very likely up in the top right, as one might expect |
| [14:20:02] | juski: | an analogue clock :D |
| [14:20:49] | iamlindoro: | I heard if you put an analog clock in, your screen becomes an acid trip of rotation ;) |
| [14:21:01] | juski: | only on intel hardware ;) |
| [14:21:35] | juski: | and there's a gaussian blur effect which visibly slows down the UI fades :D |
| [14:22:05] | juski: | God, why do I never aim for targets I can hit easily? |
| [14:22:10] | iamlindoro: | yay! The "upgrade necessitator effect" |
| [14:23:14] | iamlindoro: | Hmmmmmmm... just discovered a limitation in the current buttonlist implementation, unless I misunderstand something |
| [14:23:27] | juski: | actually the last blur I tried was only drawing each blurred object a few times so it shouldn't have been as slow as it got |
| [14:23:48] | iamlindoro: | upscrollarrow and downscrollarrow are statetypes, and not states within the "active," etc statetypes... so they can only ever look one way |
| [14:24:09] | iamlindoro: | which means I can't have them look different for the selected item than the unselected one-- which sort of makes the color inversion thing a bust |
| [14:24:53] | juski: | I think I remember running into that in 'concept' |
| [14:26:27] | juski: | you could fix that I bet |
| [14:26:50] | juski: | you are smart :) We like smart |
| [14:27:41] | juski: | ffs I'm so gonna start browsing in lynx |
| [14:28:33] | iamlindoro: | hahaha oh juski |
| [14:28:36] | iamlindoro: | I have something for you |
| [14:28:57] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-theming/20 . . . /000105.html |
| [14:29:11] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-theming/20 . . . /000106.html |
| [14:29:15] | iamlindoro: | Oh silly silly lasses |
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| [14:29:47] | laga_: | iamlindoro: well, wasn't that was is needed? :) |
| [14:30:00] | iamlindoro: | laga_, Hm? |
| [14:30:16] | laga_: | get other people theming |
| [14:30:28] | iamlindoro: | heh, I'd like to see 'em do better :) |
| [14:30:44] | iamlindoro: | my response: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-theming/20 . . . /000107.html |
| [14:30:57] | iamlindoro: | If they think all those XBMC themes use free fonts they are in for a shock |
| [14:31:08] | laga_: | yeah, just read it |
| [14:31:09] | laga_: | good job |
| [14:31:25] | juski: | iamlindoro: s/free/stolen |
| [14:31:38] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah... "It's free if I don't pay for it, right?" |
| [14:32:38] | iamlindoro: | And yeah, if it takes a little righteous indignation to get people a-themin', that's okay too :) |
| [14:33:01] | iamlindoro: | I'm not using closed fonts to be a dick, I'm using them so it doesn't look like poop :) |
| [14:33:43] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: out of curiosity, have you ever looked at the liberation font family? |
| [14:33:53] | ** j-rod no font expert... ** | |
| [14:34:06] | j-rod: | they're professionally done and they're really truly free |
| [14:34:16] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Yes... and w/ all respect to Red HAt (and I'm thankful for them supporting them) I just don't think any of them compare to something like frutiger |
| [14:34:29] | iamlindoro: | But that's no surprise, Frutiger is a masterpiece |
| [14:34:41] | j-rod: | heh |
| [14:34:55] | iamlindoro: | Just like it's not Picasso's fault for not being Da Vinci :) |
| [14:36:00] | iamlindoro: | And in deference to Liberation, they're not meant to be arty fonts, they're meant to be Monotype/Arial/Times New Roman replacements |
| [14:36:10] | iamlindoro: | so if I was looking to use one of those, Liberation would be for me :) |
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| [14:36:25] | j-rod: | yeah, I think they're more geared for use in openoffice for compat w/word docs or something |
| [14:36:34] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I think you're exactly right |
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| [14:36:56] | juski: | nobody mentions where those jokers get their artwork from either |
| [14:37:19] | juski: | I've spent a LONG time trawling public domain photo archives & never once have I found anything like they use |
| [14:37:26] | Dibblah: | ... Isn't comic sans free? |
| [14:37:28] | Dibblah: | ;) ;) |
| [14:37:30] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [14:37:59] | juski: | Barcode39 ftw |
| [14:38:11] | iamlindoro: | Hah, even better |
| [14:38:17] | iamlindoro: | "You just need a cuecat to use this theme" |
| [14:38:23] | j-rod: | I want baskerville |
| [14:38:31] | juski: | hey it's ok though. free is free is free, matters not if it's stolen |
| [14:38:49] | j-rod: | or perhaps gill sans ultra |
| [14:38:55] | juski: | may aswell. steal from imdb, steal from apple, steal from MS .. |
| [14:39:49] | juski: | wish more people had seen me when I revealed the xbox people were cooing about at the last LRL attended was loaded with software built by illegal tools. Oh man |
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| [14:41:20] | juski: | anyway, I guess there's no real impediment to modifying something yourself, as long as nobody finds out ;) |
| [14:41:36] | juski: | and you can't copyright the layout ideas :P |
| [14:42:03] | wombo_: | I follow the SVN religiously but every so often like today I see messages about Doxygen. What do you mean? |
| [14:42:10] | wombo_: | is that removing whitespace? |
| [14:42:25] | juski: | doxygen is the online document system |
| [14:42:34] | juski: | bloody useful tool |
| [14:42:42] | wombo_: | ahhh ok |
| [14:42:50] | juski: | shows you classes, members, relationships.. |
| [14:43:02] | juski: | all interlinked too |
| [14:43:03] | wombo_: | but why does they require a modification to the SVN code |
| [14:43:27] | juski: | so the automagical scripts used to build the resource can work their way through the code |
| [14:43:33] | laga_: | because the documentation is in the code. |
| [14:44:29] | iamlindoro: | juski, I could not care less if someone takes Arclight and modifies it for their own use-- The only real goal of the license is to prevent a) people repackaging it w/ the fonts illegally and b) creating a "free font" version that ruins the whole look |
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| [14:45:23] | juski: | yeah the only real reason I kyboshed the gpl versions of my themes for a while was to stop people bastardising them & folks thinking I was responsible for eyesores |
| [14:45:49] | juski: | as it turned out, nobody was even motivated to do as little as that |
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| [14:46:02] | juski: | I still don't expect a great inrush of new themers |
| [14:46:06] | laga_: | so leafers-wide was not based on a theme of yours? :) |
| [14:47:39] | wombo_: | ? |
| [14:47:47] | wombo_: | sorry ignore that |
| [14:48:02] | jams: | based!??...it was his just under a different name |
| [14:48:13] | jams: | a concept theme if you will =) |
| [14:49:14] | juski: | oh yeah I derided myself on the mailing list |
| [14:52:22] | juski: | still kick myself over going in too hard with that one. thought I was being helpful |
| [14:52:40] | Gav8in: | last night I was so surprised to find out this series that ION is pushing, Durham COunty, is canadian |
| [14:52:57] | iamlindoro: | juski, Someone suggests I use these... gulp. http://www.zvr.gr/typo/mgopen/index |
| [14:53:37] | iamlindoro: | Must... keep in mind... that not everyone.. sees the difference |
| [14:53:46] | laga_: | especially cosmetica looks good! |
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| [14:54:15] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [14:56:40] | iamlindoro: | actually very pleased to see these conversations taking place, if it gets people rolling out of anger that's okay too :) |
| [14:56:55] | laga_: | as long as they don't use cosmetica |
| [14:58:59] | juski: | the lower-case 't' is too far to the left. only slightly |
| [14:59:24] | juski: | the 'm' is about a pixel too far to the right |
| [14:59:51] | juski: | might aswell be cut-outs from different newspapers compared to decent fonts |
| [15:02:30] | juski: | heh. use the font called RansomNote :P |
| [15:02:50] | juski: | nobody'll notice how bad the kerning is then |
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| [15:08:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Really, though, can you blame them? I mean, obviously, you just don't get open-source. After all, information wants to be free. Just like nice fonts want to be free. And good music and movies and tv... |
| [15:08:51] | sphery: | Oh, wait... I guess that's not at all true. |
| [15:09:16] | juski: | yeah like we should all live in one big happy commune, sharing everything all the time. food, sleeping areas & bodily fluids |
| [15:09:41] | sphery: | yuck! |
| [15:09:42] | gbee: | juski: I take it the rotation effect isn't ready for the primetime? I'm thinking I'll try to sneak in text rotation for 0.22, but if necessary I'll do it using qt at paint time (text textures are cached anyway) |
| [15:10:01] | juski: | gbee: not sure how far off it is to be honest |
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| [15:10:36] | juski: | there's some work to be done on initialisation of the struct |
| [15:10:56] | juski: | maybe working out where best to parse the tags too |
| [15:11:02] | juski: | other than that it's good to go |
| [15:11:56] | juski: | the last diff is lying around somewhere. s ec |
| [15:12:14] | B-Man: | What is the best supported card? Not sure what is the best thing to buy right now |
| [15:12:25] | juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . rrotate.diff |
| [15:13:07] | juski: | there's another one with the rotate also done in the qt painter itself too – just another simple mess with the paint origin & 'rotate the paper' effect |
| [15:14:37] | juski: | can't find that one right now. it's in one or more of the diffs in that directory on the webspace |
| [15:14:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Very nice response, too. I may have to look up the article about fonts and font licensing and how a huge number of these "free" fonts are illegal knock-offs of commercial fonts. |
| [15:15:05] | juski: | gbee: it'll take five minutes or so to do the same again in the qt painter |
| [15:15:17] | juski: | it doesn't noticably slow anything down either :) |
| [15:15:38] | juski: | I mean like you can hold a key down on a buttonlist & it all still whizzes by faster than you can read :) |
| [15:15:48] | juski: | even with rotated elements in the buttonlist |
| [15:16:19] | juski: | wonder if qt4.6 will be primetime by 0.23 |
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| [15:17:02] | gbee: | juski: chances are that I'm not going to look at that patch before I've finished what I'm currently working on, so if I ask you about it again in a few days that's why |
| [15:17:44] | juski: | gbee: sure. I'm dying to get back to it soon but I've been so busy or out of sorts lately |
| [15:18:21] | juski: | when I start mythfrontend on my laptop all I can do is stare at the bloody clock :P |
| [15:18:35] | gbee: | juski: well I understand that, feeling a little like a drowning man myself |
| [15:19:44] | juski: | yeah I think I'll try & tidy this up, have some more break & start playing with opengl proper |
| [15:19:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | B-Man: Care to elaborate? What kind of card? Video? Tuner? Playing cards? Library Card? |
| [15:19:52] | juski: | need some shader-fu |
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| [15:21:52] | juski: | looking back on the whole rotate thing it was actually very simple. just took a feckload of brain hurting to get there |
| [15:22:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's ears perked up on 'rotate thing'... hummm... ** | |
| [15:22:32] | B-Man: | J-e-f-f-A: I am looking for a tuner card for capturing... already have my output card and hooked up to the TV |
| [15:23:11] | juski: | J-e-f-f-A: read the scrollback. nooby coder tries cool stuff (part 3) |
| [15:23:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: hehe... ;-) shall do. |
| [15:25:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | B-Man: Well, for Analog capture (from a Standard-Def STB), Hauppauge PVR-150/250/500 is the way to go. |
| [15:25:41] | juski: | right. I've had enough of this autocad lark for another day |
| [15:25:45] | juski: | hometime |
| [15:27:41] | B-Man: | J-e-f-f-A: I am hoping to capture HD... |
| [15:27:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | B-Man: For HD – lots of choices – Virtually any tuner that works with Linux will work with MythTV. I use a HD-HomeRun for ATSC currently, and have also use a PCTV HD-3000, PCTV HD-5500, Hauppauge HVR-950 USB stick, and Hauppauge PVR-1250 (PCIe) |
| [15:28:37] | Gav8in: | i haven't tried anything but an HDHR, and I love it |
| [15:28:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | B-Man: there's lots of info on the Myth wiki, and even more on the linuxtv.org dvb wiki. |
| [15:28:41] | Gav8in: | it worked instantly with no effort |
| [15:29:14] | Gav8in: | i would tell anyone to just get one of those |
| [15:29:57] | sphery: | just make sure you get one that supports the TV format used in your area |
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| [15:30:00] | B-Man: | J-e-f-f-A: Last question... Is mythtv intended to run alone or can I run it alongside KDE/Gnome? |
| [15:30:22] | sphery: | You need a window manager |
| [15:30:25] | Gav8in: | yeah; really the main question is what your source will be. that dictates what you use. |
| [15:30:28] | sphery: | You don't need a desktop environment |
| [15:31:00] | wombo_: | apparently it doesnt need an OS |
| [15:31:03] | sphery: | you /can/ use a desktop environment (KDE/GNOME) if you have RAM to spare and don't mind the DE stuff |
| [15:31:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | B-Man: I use my backend system as somewhat of a 'desktop' when I'm at home, and occasionally as a frontend too. |
| [15:31:33] | Gav8in: | my mythtv system is also my primary computer; i use it to work from home etc..., it is fine for that application |
| [15:31:56] | Gav8in: | i just switch windows between myth and whatever i want to run in my window manager |
| [15:31:56] | B-Man: | Gav8in: Kind of the same thing I am trying to do... |
| [15:32:04] | B-Man: | If I want to open a browser I want to be able too |
| [15:32:11] | Gav8in: | i use ratpoison as my window manager |
| [15:32:12] | sphery: | wonder if that means you can't depreciate the portion of the system in use by MythTV for personal use... |
| [15:32:23] | Gav8in: | (just because that's the wm i've used for years now, i favour it) |
| [15:32:38] | sphery: | RatPoison is great for mythfrontends because it's only about 300KiB incremental memory usage |
| [15:33:00] | Gav8in: | heh; i don't bother writing off my home office expenses |
| [15:33:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses KDE 3 ... My backend system is still running FC8. ;-) ** | |
| [15:33:14] | Gav8in: | as an employee who only does it here or there, i suspect i'm not losing much |
| [15:33:14] | sphery: | Fluxbox is around 1.5MiB... GNOME/KDE, I couldn't tell you (but they're much harder to measure because of all the other services they provide) |
| [15:33:57] | B-Man: | When will myth be ported to Qt4? |
| [15:34:00] | j-rod: | I used to run ratpoison |
| [15:34:03] | j-rod: | now I just don't care |
| [15:34:08] | sphery: | Gav8in: yeah, I was just joking... the whole depreciation thing just complicates matters and computers are cheap, anyway |
| [15:34:13] | j-rod: | frontend is currently running gnome |
| [15:34:23] | sphery: | B-Man: 0.22 will be Qt4 based |
| [15:34:30] | sphery: | should be out RSN |
| [15:35:04] | sphery: | j-rod: not even the MythDora default? (I'm assuming MD doesn't default to GNOME.) |
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| [15:35:30] | j-rod: | I don't recall |
| [15:35:34] | j-rod: | I don't run mythdora |
| [15:35:49] | j-rod: | not bleeding-edge enough :) |
| [15:35:57] | sphery: | Ahhh. Are you involved in development of it, or have you been too busy with other stuff? |
| [15:36:10] | j-rod: | involved in development, when I have time |
| [15:36:16] | sphery: | cool |
| [15:36:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs at j-rod ... ** | |
| [15:36:38] | j-rod: | what, the "when I have time" part? :) |
| [15:36:42] | sphery: | just wondered since you used to be the Fedora/RH go-to-guy for all things Myth |
| [15:36:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: no, not running mythdora... ;-) hehehehehe |
| [15:37:17] | sphery: | well, he probably has to run rawhide to try to finally make it work for RH |
| [15:37:41] | j-rod: | sphery: still should be able to answer most anything. save repeated stupid questions about openchrome xorg.conf settings sent to the list and cc'd to me multiple times. |
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| [15:38:14] | sphery: | heh--and can't always answer to the users' satisfaction (the "well that doesn't work" on the ticket you closed :) |
| [15:38:33] | sphery: | I have a feeling there's some user error in the "doesn't work" testing |
| [15:38:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | PEBKAC? ;-) |
| [15:38:59] | sphery: | quite likely |
| [15:39:08] | j-rod: | haha |
| [15:39:28] | j-rod: | it most certainly does work, I had the same issue w/my own setup at home |
| [15:39:40] | sphery: | or someone using a version of LIRC way too old for what he's trying to do |
| [15:40:14] | sphery: | On the bright side, he's still happy. He's just incorporating his hack into his personal copy. |
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| [15:40:46] | j-rod: | the openchrome thing... I haven't run an epia for mythtv in ages, since it doesn't handle 99% of my content... |
| [15:40:58] | j-rod: | considered replying, but decided to just ignore |
| [15:41:25] | sphery: | it's unfortunate, but sometimes that's the best bet. |
| [15:41:44] | j-rod: | I have to hit delete on a ton of stuff w/o even reading, or I'd never keep up |
| [15:42:32] | sphery: | often when you're trying to help and you have to write multiple e-mails to even get someone to try the solution you /know/ works, it becomes far too much work (rather than firing off a quick answer for someone) |
| [15:44:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: I wish I could do the same thing at work... ;-) |
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| [15:49:20] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: I *do* do that at work too. :) |
| [15:49:47] | ** j-rod on way too many damned mailing lists ** | |
| [15:51:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Ha! ;-) I guess I do too, to some extent... ;-) |
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| [16:36:24] | sphery: | j-rod: wow... I sure cost you a lot of time by mentioning that response. Sorry. |
| [16:41:00] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Will wonders never cease? I am testing the bug patch for Jamu and I find out "The Onion News Network" has a banner on TVDB. The write up is as if it was a serious news broadcast with an accurate run time of 2 minutes. The episodes are even listed. http://thetvdb.com/index.php?tab=series&id=85342&lid=7 |
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| [16:47:46] | mag0o: | following this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 & ndash; can I also back up my recording rules with grep "INSERT INTO record mythtv_backup.sql >> restore.sql ? or is there more to the recording rules than that table? |
| [16:49:57] | mag0o: | (im moving to new hardware *and* svn) |
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| [17:07:07] | sphery: | mag0o: there's more... and that approach in the HOWTO is broken. Use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (and specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup ) |
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| [17:08:32] | sphery: | mag0o: Though, really, there's no reason to do a partial restore unless you happen to have a broken DB. You can just do a full restore, then change the hostname (before starting Myth on the new system), if required ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend ) |
| [17:09:13] | sphery: | mag0o: and, as stated in the partial restore section of the wiki page, you can /not/ go from version to version with the partial restore |
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| [17:09:57] | sphery: | (you'll need to follow the instructions for a partial restore at the same time as an upgrade) |
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| [17:15:50] | mag0o: | gotcha |
| [17:15:52] | mag0o: | thanks |
| [17:15:53] | mag0o: | :) |
| [17:16:29] | tmkt: | afternoon |
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| [17:16:59] | mag0o: | so, since i did a b0rked partial restore, and backed up the freshly installed db prior to that, should I just restore the fresh db, then follow instructions on the link provided? |
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| [17:17:16] | sphery: | mag0o: yeah |
| [17:17:25] | mag0o: | ok, cool |
| [17:17:26] | mag0o: | thanks |
| [17:17:35] | sphery: | mag0o: using the whole DB is fine if you just change hostname before starting myth apps |
| [17:17:45] | sphery: | (assuming it's a different hostname, now) |
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| [17:18:12] | sphery: | mag0o: if you really want to delete all your configuration and everything, you can still do a partial restore even if you don't have the old version installed anymore |
| [17:19:00] | mag0o: | what i did was change hardware, install a fresh OK (slackware 13) and am going from 0.22 to svn |
| [17:19:07] | sphery: | mag0o: just invert the process--do a full restore, (change hostname, if required), start mythtv-setup to upgrade the DB, exit mythtv-setup, do a full backup, drop DB, create DB, do a partial restore of backup of upgraded db |
| [17:19:26] | sphery: | you mean from 0.21-fixes to SVN? |
| [17:19:29] | mag0o: | yes |
| [17:19:32] | mag0o: | sorry |
| [17:19:38] | sphery: | otherwise it would be a downgrade, involving a time machine :) |
| [17:19:42] | mag0o: | (glad the wifey is going out of town this weekend) |
| [17:19:52] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [17:19:53] | sphery: | best time to play with a Myth box |
| [17:20:10] | sphery: | Yeah, really, even with new hardware there's no reason for a partial restore |
| [17:20:15] | mag0o: | but yes, from 21-fixes to svn |
| [17:20:34] | sphery: | if your capture card hardware changes a lot, you might want to Delete all capture cards (don't delete them individually) |
| [17:20:41] | sphery: | otherwise, what you had should work fine |
| [17:20:50] | mag0o: | new hardware in way of mobo/cpu |
| [17:20:56] | sphery: | and mythtv-setup should handle the upgrade for you without issue |
| [17:20:57] | mag0o: | other than that everything else is the same |
| [17:21:12] | sphery: | (I think slack did their MySQL configuration properly for Myth.) |
| [17:21:56] | mag0o: | ok, i'll give it a whirl |
| [17:21:59] | sphery: | yeah, I recommend using the full DB, then... full restore, (possibly hostname change,) start the upgraded mythtv-setup to upgrade the DB, configure new stuff, enjoy |
| [17:22:07] | mag0o: | hostname the same |
| [17:22:14] | sphery: | that's the /best/ approach |
| [17:22:25] | sphery: | so full restore, mythtv-setup, ... |
| [17:22:27] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [17:23:08] | mag0o: | and if all else fails (by sunday evening), i just pop in the old hdd and she never knows any different :) |
| [17:23:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:23:43] | sphery: | I'm sure you'll have the new one up and running before she gets home. |
| [17:23:58] | sphery: | What with all the wonderful resources, here, at your disposal... |
| [17:24:28] | mag0o: | me too, it was rather easy to get svn to compile with some modified slackbuilds, so i have packages i can uninstall if needed |
| [17:24:43] | sphery: | (seriously, though, if you have issues, please mention them in here as we're prep'ing the 0.22 release, we want to know what to expect) |
| [17:25:04] | mag0o: | ok |
| [17:26:59] | mag0o: | i did notice something in mythbrowser settings, it has the browser set to /usrInternal, which I think I found in mythplugins/mythbrowser/mythbrowser/bookmarkmanager.cpp |
| [17:27:02] | mag0o: | GetInstallPrefix() + "Internal")); |
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| [17:31:01] | sphery: | mag0o: thx.. I noticed that on my system, but hadn't looked into it. I'll see if I can fix it. |
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| [17:44:38] | mag0o: | so far so good |
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| [17:58:21] | Greek-B0y: | why is that Kaffeine picks up the channel names on my DVB-T but MythTV doesn't? |
| [17:58:37] | RyeBrye: | Greek-B0y: conspiracy |
| [17:58:51] | mag0o: | theory |
| [17:59:05] | Greek-B0y: | com'n guys |
| [17:59:07] | Greek-B0y: | seriously |
| [17:59:14] | sphery: | Gotta love qmake... http://pastebin.ca/1561269 So, when you're linking that many thread libs, do you call it a yarn lib? |
| [17:59:38] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:59:42] | ** iamlindoro bats at sphery's yarn like a kitten ** | |
| [17:59:52] | mag0o: | haha |
| [17:59:59] | kormoc: | Good thing no-cat-day was yesterday |
| [18:00:24] | sphery: | Greek-B0y: we probably just need someone in your area to fix up the scanning to work for the tables provided by your provider. |
| [18:00:31] | iamlindoro: | and still nine days until we can talk like pirates |
| [18:00:41] | sphery: | Greek-B0y: most testing has been with UK and German DVB |
| [18:01:00] | iamlindoro: | and some .au |
| [18:01:00] | sphery: | Yay! Talk like a pirate day, approaches! |
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| [18:01:54] | Greek-B0y: | ic. So it's a scanning issue.. |
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| [18:03:23] | sphery: | Greek-B0y: channel names are picked up at scan time, so yeah... If you're using 0.21-fixes, don't worry about looking into it because the scanner was completely rewritten for trunk/0.22. |
| [18:03:52] | Greek-B0y: | I am using the latest ubuntu package |
| [18:03:54] | sphery: | Greek-B0y: on the bright side, though, channel names and numbers are user-editable, user data (not used by Myth, except for display purposes) |
| [18:04:03] | sphery: | I'm guessing that's 0.21-fixes. |
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| [18:04:14] | Greek-B0y: | i hope scanning is faster in 0.22 :P |
| [18:04:24] | sphery: | Use mythtv-setup or mythfrontend (LiveTV) or MythWeb channel editor to edit |
| [18:04:26] | Greek-B0y: | and i hope channel changing is faster too :P |
| [18:04:39] | kormoc: | it's unlikely channel changing will change in speed |
| [18:04:39] | sphery: | it's orders of magnitude faster for many, actually |
| [18:04:43] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [18:04:49] | sphery: | oh, I meant scanning |
| [18:04:51] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:04:52] | sphery: | I type too slow... |
| [18:04:52] | kormoc: | okay |
| [18:04:55] | kormoc: | I was confused |
| [18:04:57] | Greek-B0y: | lol |
| [18:05:07] | iamlindoro: | Channel change speed doesn't matter if you're using myth properly, anyway |
| [18:05:09] | sphery: | you were right, I was just slow... |
| [18:05:09] | Greek-B0y: | so do u think its a good idea for me to install from sources then? |
| [18:05:21] | iamlindoro: | no, we think you should wait a couple weeks and install from packages |
| [18:05:28] | sphery: | Greek-B0y: Better is probably to just edit the channel names/numbers |
| [18:05:33] | Greek-B0y: | alright then, got it... |
| [18:05:46] | sphery: | if you absolutely must use trunk, use the Ubuntu weekly build packages |
| [18:05:57] | Greek-B0y: | right |
| [18:05:58] | Greek-B0y: | brb |
| [18:05:58] | sphery: | but you're likely to experience much early-adopter pain |
| [18:06:17] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, we never did put out that appeal for early adopters |
| [18:06:54] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [18:07:06] | sphery: | someone just now started looking into the "how to fix partial DB corruption" |
| [18:07:22] | sphery: | (now = today--got distracted by mag0o's reminding me of the mythbrowser issue :) |
| [18:07:59] | sphery: | which should be fixed very soon |
| [18:08:21] | iamlindoro: | Don't teas me with your promises, I've become immune |
| [18:08:28] | iamlindoro: | tease |
| [18:08:37] | sphery: | woah! first time I've /ever/ used MythBrowser in my life. |
| [18:08:42] | sphery: | (and it works :) |
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| [18:09:08] | sphery: | Gotta say that the Iulius blue background showing through Google's search text box is rather ugly, but... |
| [18:09:27] | iamlindoro: | You should use the Vincent background instead |
| [18:09:34] | mag0o: | hehe, cant say i actually used the browser, but was just going through all of the screens and happened upon that :) |
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| [18:09:36] | sphery: | Vincent? |
| [18:09:47] | B-Man: | Once I have configured my card in the kernel where is it located? /dev/? |
| [18:09:50] | sphery: | mag0o: yeah, I appreciate your reminding me. I'd been meaning to fix it. |
| [18:10:03] | kormoc: | B-Man: depends on the card |
| [18:10:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/9493 |
| [18:10:27] | iamlindoro: | Note the cast |
| [18:10:36] | sphery: | hmmm... MythBrowser requires the use of the frontend exit key to exit... Don't know if that's intentional or a holdover from the pre-actual-plugin (running-as-a-separate-app) code... |
| [18:10:36] | mag0o: | it looked like an easy fix, and assuming i knew a bit more about what that tied in to, i could have actually contributed :) |
| [18:10:39] | B-Man: | kormoc: wintv-hvr 1600 |
| [18:11:00] | mag0o: | either adding the / or just taking out the /usr part |
| [18:11:40] | sphery: | mag0o: Yeah, it was easy enough the patch wouldn't have really helped that much, so your reminder was contribution enough. So, no need to help any other FOSS projects today--you've got today's requirement fulfilled. |
| [18:11:58] | mag0o: | yay me |
| [18:12:16] | sphery: | (probably would have been harder to actually download and use the patch than to just edit it and use . to repeat the edit in the 2 other places :) |
| [18:12:21] | mag0o: | (too much disney channel for me) |
| [18:12:31] | mag0o: | yep |
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| [18:13:09] | iamlindoro: | Sheesh, letting people off easy today |
| [18:13:58] | mag0o: | it *looks* like everything worked. i wont be able to actually watch tv or any recordings until i update the frontends. one is mythbuntu so im going to do the weekly build thing on it and cross my fingers |
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| [18:14:12] | paperclip: | bleh.. I flashed this raid controller and it still doesn't see my drives in the config util.. it does however see them in the disk utils which only verify/format |
| [18:14:47] | iamlindoro: | Another couple days and I can schedule FlashForward |
| [18:15:11] | mag0o: | recording rules are there, recorded shows are there...etc |
| [18:15:31] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Did you read the book? |
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| [18:15:47] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: No, though apparently it bears only a loose resemblance to it |
| [18:15:56] | Dagmar: | I figured. |
| [18:16:09] | Dagmar: | They get very arrow-shooty in there |
| [18:16:22] | Dagmar: | Like, one of the guy's vision of the future isn't the same one everyone else's is |
| [18:16:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh, and sphery's favorite show is back tonight... |
| [18:17:09] | Dagmar: | He sees himself on the surface of some non-earth planet talking to a man made out of jade--which is not the sort of thing showing up in the popcorn-eater promos |
| [18:17:23] | Gav8in: | i also look forward to FlashForward |
| [18:17:46] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Yeah, don't think they are likely to let it get that abstract |
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| [18:17:54] | jduggan: | ah, i saw commercials for it in the UK... it might be the first show i schedule on channel 5 ;] |
| [18:19:24] | sphery: | mag0o: fixed... thanks, again. |
| [18:20:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: You'll never get anywhere in this business giving credit to others, hasn't recent history taught you anything? |
| [18:20:32] | mag0o: | glad to help :) |
| [18:20:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:20:59] | iamlindoro: | Correct commit message would be "Fix for CATASTROPHIC BUG that I PERSONALLY FOUND AND FIXED which was caused by $SOMEONEELSE. Nice job, bozo." |
| [18:21:13] | sphery: | mag0o: your props at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21763 |
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| [18:22:16] | sphery: | I guess if I were truly credit-giving, I'd have said, "Thanks ... for the reminder and pointer to the bad code." |
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| [18:24:46] | gbee: | so for £45 I can have a 1Tb drive .... but I don't need a 1Tb 'system' drive, it's honestly a waste of money, but a more reasonable 120Gb drive doesn't get cheaper than £30 .... why is no-one offering a £10–15 drive? |
| [18:25:26] | Dagmar: | gbee: Because those are called 'thumb drives' now |
| [18:25:43] | AndyCap: | because the parts still cost money? |
| [18:25:57] | Dagmar: | Start scraping craigslist |
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| [18:27:05] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, it would be great if you could get a 120GB HDD for the same $0.08/GB. I've just been buying ludicrously large HDD's for the Myth system drives and partitioning it and putting other media on the extra partition. |
| [18:27:10] | mag0o: | my life is now complete |
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| [18:27:14] | sphery: | haven't noticed a problem with recordings, yet, but... |
| [18:27:18] | gbee: | I'll dive onto ebay, resent paying for something I won't use – it's not a question of the cost, I happen to think £45 is a bargain for 1Tb but if it's only ever going to hold root/home partitions ... |
| [18:27:28] | xris: | I have spare 120G drives if anyone wants one. lol |
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| [18:27:40] | mag0o: | i wanted one 3 years ago |
| [18:27:47] | iamlindoro: | I have a stack of 1TBs |
| [18:27:49] | xris: | mag0o: which is why I have spares. :) |
| [18:27:53] | mag0o: | :) |
| [18:28:04] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, maybe it won't really matter at the end of the day but I've resisted having the database on the same drive |
| [18:28:10] | mag0o: | im in the same boat, i traded my 4x200 for 1x1tb |
| [18:28:29] | xris: | iamlindoro: my biggest is two 500G drives in my mythbox. been holding off on upgrading the 250s in my file server until the prices on 1.5T and 2T drives drops a little more |
| [18:28:31] | mag0o: | now have the 200s sitting there, collecting dust |
| [18:28:40] | gbee: | I did find a 120Gb drive in a drawer here, but I can't remember whether I yanked it because it was failing or not |
| [18:29:06] | iamlindoro: | xris: swapped 2TBs in for the 1TBs so now I've got those to find something to do with |
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| [18:29:23] | xris: | I'll trade you for my 120s. :) |
| [18:29:28] | gbee: | the current 2.5" drive I'm using is TOO SLOW |
| [18:29:40] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:29:53] | xris: | my budget lately has been focused more on "finish the remodel NOW before the baby comes" |
| [18:29:54] | gbee: | I've two 1Tb in this machine currently |
| [18:29:57] | sphery: | gbee: I also set the weight on that filesystem to extremely high, so it's only used as a last resort--and I generally move recordings from my "real" recordings drives to that partition to keep it full (so it wouldn't be chosen, anyway) |
| [18:30:00] | Dagmar: | Stop using 2.5" drives then |
| [18:30:11] | mag0o: | xris, first baby? |
| [18:30:21] | Dagmar: | THey're made to be slow because it's considered more important that they don't eat your battery whole |
| [18:30:28] | sphery: | Wasn't MythWeb xris's first baby? |
| [18:30:39] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [18:31:01] | gbee: | Dagmar: only using it because it was available when my last drive died, not to save power or anything more than that |
| [18:31:07] | xris: | mag0o: first human baby, yes. :) |
| [18:31:21] | j-rod: | sphery: heh, no worries, I'd intended to follow up on that anyway. :) |
| [18:31:29] | iamlindoro: | Ah, no more reptiles |
| [18:31:29] | gbee: | I reached into a drawer and there it was ... never bothered to swap it because it didn't bother me until now |
| [18:31:29] | j-rod: | xris: rookie |
| [18:31:40] | mag0o: | congrats...and now mythweb gets no more support :) |
| [18:31:57] | j-rod: | he's still got a while before that point in time |
| [18:32:03] | j-rod: | maybe a year or so |
| [18:32:09] | j-rod: | and another kid or so |
| [18:32:11] | mag0o: | he tell her to hold off until .22 drops? |
| [18:32:13] | mag0o: | :) |
| [18:32:31] | gbee: | well I guess this box doesn't technically have room for another 3.5" now, but that's not going to stop me cramming one in there |
| [18:32:33] | j-rod: | heh, nah, but they sleep a LOT (and so does mom) when they're really small |
| [18:32:52] | mag0o: | mine never got that memo |
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| [18:33:05] | xris: | mag0o: have you been reading the commit logs lately? kormoc's been doing way more on mythweb than me for more than the last year |
| [18:33:11] | xris: | SD takes up all of my spare time |
| [18:33:36] | mag0o: | yes, i was just going thru that actually to check on the bug i found in videos, he was already on top of it |
| [18:33:48] | xris: | j-rod: by your standards, yes. rookie. happily so, too. :) |
| [18:33:53] | mag0o: | good job on s, btw |
| [18:34:03] | mag0o: | thanks for the service |
| [18:34:10] | xris: | kormoc's supposed to be helping with SD, too.. even trying to pay him for it |
| [18:34:12] | ** iamlindoro wonders which bug in MythVideo mag0o means ** | |
| [18:34:19] | xris: | iamlindoro: mythweb video |
| [18:34:24] | iamlindoro: | (as there shouldn't be any currently open bugs that aren't ancient) |
| [18:34:25] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [18:34:27] | mag0o: | yeah |
| [18:34:43] | j-rod: | xris: hey, I'm back down to only 3 kids this week... |
| [18:34:48] | mag0o: | mythweb video, edit video and hit x to get to mythweb.php |
| [18:35:03] | xris: | j-rod: "this week"? lent one out for awhile? |
| [18:35:16] | gbee: | several times lately I've cursed as a new UI bug is reported, until I notice the component is mythweb and then I breath a sigh of relief ;) |
| [18:35:22] | j-rod: | heh. took in an additional foster kid for a short-term placement |
| [18:35:32] | j-rod: | so we had 4 for about 3 weeks |
| [18:36:07] | iamlindoro: | there goes j-rod being a decent human being again |
| [18:36:42] | j-rod: | 4 kids in our shoebox of a house is ... crowded. |
| [18:36:59] | j-rod: | esp. when the 4th is special needs |
| [18:37:11] | xris: | yeah, we're not even sure how we'd handle 2 if our eventual second turns out to be a girl (boys could easily share a room) |
| [18:37:17] | xris: | computers take up too much space. heh |
| [18:37:21] | kormoc: | Time to move to Kansas where you can have a house the size of the moon? |
| [18:37:30] | j-rod: | xris: haha. yeah, I have no more office. |
| [18:37:31] | xris: | kormoc: or PA, no? :) |
| [18:37:36] | kormoc: | Heh, true :) |
| [18:37:46] | j-rod: | I only have my 42U rack in the unfinished part of the basement |
| [18:38:00] | xris: | j-rod: I've suggested it to my wife. she doesn't like the idea. but we still have a few years before that will matter. |
| [18:38:08] | j-rod: | my mythfrontends, and my laptops |
| [18:38:11] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: How many U do you get to sleep in? |
| [18:38:32] | kormoc: | He needs like, 60 to just stand in |
| [18:38:33] | ** iamlindoro pictures j-rod at a 3U ** | |
| [18:38:40] | j-rod: | hahaha |
| [18:38:40] | laga_: | j-rod: wow. to me, having an office is the best part of owning a house. i guess priorities change with kids :) |
| [18:38:42] | mag0o: | my office is now a playroom that happens to have computers in it |
| [18:38:55] | j-rod: | yeah, my office became a playroom w/computers in it |
| [18:39:00] | j-rod: | now its been overrun by toys |
| [18:39:08] | j-rod: | and I have no computers in it anymore |
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| [18:39:22] | j-rod: | well, except for the computer hooked to the tv in there |
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| [18:42:08] | ** sphery wonders how to delete text typed into a text box in a web page when using MythBrowser ** | |
| [18:44:12] | sphery: | I think the README's usage needs updating. |
| [18:44:56] | sphery: | Any users out there who are trunk MythBrowser power users want to update it? :) |
| [18:45:45] | sphery: | gotta love the guy on -users who is too cheap to get a Kill-a-Watt, but wants to figure out how to save money on power. :) |
| [18:46:33] | mag0o: | unplug everything |
| [18:47:41] | sphery: | yeah, that would work and you wouldn't need a kill-a-watt to verify. |
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| [18:53:19] | ** iamlindoro ponders the creation of #mythtv-theming ** | |
| [18:53:36] | kormoc: | might as well |
| [18:53:49] | laga_: | yeah, the theming talk in here is getting out of hand ;) |
| [18:54:10] | iamlindoro: | Only really worth it if it increases the number of people who come to talk about it |
| [18:54:28] | iamlindoro: | Just wondering if there was a place to get realtime support, whether more people would do so |
| [18:54:51] | iamlindoro: | maybe worth addressing after the release |
| [18:55:04] | iamlindoro: | ie "Here, now everyone is using MythUI, come ask questions about theming here" |
| [18:55:35] | iamlindoro: | TBH I sort of believe us having *official* forums would be a wise idea |
| [18:55:49] | iamlindoro: | But I suspect there might be resistance to that |
| [18:55:55] | laga_: | there used to be |
| [18:56:03] | iamlindoro: | Well, mythtvtalk doesn't count ;) |
| [18:57:18] | gbee: | mythtv-theming has now been registered |
| [18:57:39] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you are off-topic, please go to #mythtv-theming |
| [18:57:48] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [18:57:51] | iamlindoro: | you weren't kidding |
| [18:59:00] | gbee: | why talk about it when you can just do it? |
| [18:59:30] | iamlindoro: | Because having an idea shouted down when you've already done it is more frustrating than just having it shouted down :) |
| [19:01:55] | ** iamlindoro stares pointedly at juski_ ** | |
| [19:02:28] | iamlindoro: | echo "/join #mythtv-theming" > /dev/juskitty |
| [19:03:22] | mag0o: | haha |
| [19:03:32] | sid3windr: | jus-kitty |
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| [19:26:09] | juski_: | my ears must've been burning. I just logged back in |
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| [19:26:34] | juski_: | wtf? when did my nick change? |
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| [19:27:52] | Wicked: | hey guys. hows .22 coming along? :) |
| [19:28:05] | iamlindoro: | "nearly done" |
| [19:28:06] | Wicked: | still aiming for a release by end of oct? |
| [19:28:09] | juski: | Wicked: it needs your patches |
| [19:28:12] | Gav8in: | i propose the name "rimfire" for .22 |
| [19:28:29] | Wicked: | juski, hehe. /me gives mythtv some nicotine pathces. |
| [19:28:39] | laga_: | Gav8in: o_O |
| [19:28:46] | juski: | why? smoking is good |
| [19:29:01] | Wicked: | smoke em if ya got em ;) |
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| [19:33:08] | iamlindoro: | juski, yes, the down side of your comment about getting +v :) |
| [19:33:14] | juski: | gah wth is up with my net connection tonight? lag of 10 secs?! |
| [19:35:47] | juski: | tbh I'm not fussed about being +v either way. we don't get that many annoyances round here |
| [19:36:36] | iamlindoro: | Fewer these days |
| [19:36:53] | sphery: | gbee: plus, if the topic needs changing, we know where to find you, and it's not like you don't already do more than your share of myth stuff... :) |
| [19:37:37] | juski: | guy at work was picking my brains about LMCE earlier today. he ranted about mythtv's perceived 'attitude' towards feature requests a while back but today said LMCE make 'that lot' look like charitable types. LOL |
| [19:39:00] | sphery: | and with that jams will be forever afraid to speak in -theming :) |
| [19:39:54] | jams: | hah |
| [19:39:56] | iamlindoro: | juski: Mention to him that I went in, read the mythvideo feature request list, and implemented 100% of the sane ones in the last month :) |
| [19:40:10] | sphery: | juski: wow... any ideas what LMCE's plans are for the backend? are they upgrading from 0.20.1 to 0.21 or to 0.22 or just sticking with ancient history? |
| [19:40:10] | juski: | iamlindoro: that's what I said |
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| [19:40:51] | juski: | apart from that I just dissed the whole thing really – he's been sold the idea on the basis of him reading some forums & watching the demo videos |
| [19:42:36] | juski: | said to him yeah, well you can install windows just by putting a disc in the optical drive too, but does that get you a fully configured & working system? bah |
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| [19:49:12] | mag0o: | xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/6972/6972.diff |
| [19:49:41] | mag0o: | dunno if its the proper way that it should be handled in mythweb, but it works here |
| [19:50:53] | sphery: | kormoc: ^^^ |
| [19:51:04] | mag0o: | oh yeah |
| [19:52:47] | mag0o: | (figured i could go ahead and try to get tomorrows contribution of ow the way today) |
| [19:53:09] | mag0o: | *contribution out of the way |
| [19:54:29] | sphery: | heh, good plan |
| [19:55:31] | xris: | mag0o: change the document.getElementById to just $ (prototype notation) |
| [19:57:18] | mag0o: | ah, so it was the $ that was missing there, i'll try that and see |
| [19:58:52] | mag0o: | yep, that did it |
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| [20:19:52] | gbee: | why do I feel like Matthias Dahl has just put a saddle on my back? |
| [20:20:59] | iamlindoro: | Hey, Matt didn't say you could chat on IRC, get back to work |
| [20:20:59] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:21:27] | AndyCap: | because he's riding you? |
| [20:21:52] | Hoxzer: | maan |
| [20:22:00] | Hoxzer: | why is the sadle on the back ? |
| [20:22:20] | laga_: | gbee: well, just tell him you have no time. he offered to do it |
| [20:22:20] | Hoxzer: | I would prefer the other way |
| [20:22:22] | Hoxzer: | oh wait |
| [20:22:25] | Hoxzer: | he is a man |
| [20:22:27] | Hoxzer: | nvm |
| [20:22:57] | gbee: | laga_: plan to |
| [20:27:12] | mag0o: | sphery: should I delete all cards and readd them since i did the full db import from 0.21-fixes to svn? |
| [20:29:42] | mag0o: | or anyone really, for that matter |
| [20:29:45] | sphery: | mag0o: only if your capture cards changed significantly |
| [20:30:04] | sphery: | if they're the same cards as before in the same order as before, probably not necessary |
| [20:30:21] | sphery: | if you have new drivers, though, it may still be necessary (i.e. if drivers changed input names or whatever) |
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| [20:30:53] | kormoc: | Woo! Let's favor corrupt recordings so the user misses the replay 4 hours later! |
| [20:31:09] | mag0o: | i had them all mapped to udev names, so it all stayed the same |
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| [20:31:24] | mag0o: | or udev symlinks rather |
| [20:31:25] | sphery: | kormoc: seriously |
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| [20:31:39] | sphery: | mag0o: should be good to go, then |
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| [20:32:37] | yfaykya: | Anyone tried to do a freesat scan on trunk lately? I cannot get any channels even though I can play them with mplayer and a freshly created channels.conf |
| [20:33:05] | yfaykya: | I tried sticking a working freq into a myth scan. It finds channels but does not save them |
| [20:33:17] | sphery: | kormoc: Also, I have a feeling before he does his patch to add slop to the start/end time for timeslot recordings, he'll need to get buyoff from a dev who posted to the ticket I linked him to ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4879 --though I'm not sure he even read it). |
| [20:33:54] | sphery: | Capt M's approach has the advantage of not changing the way the scheduler currently works (so as not to anger the guardians of the scheduler) |
| [20:34:19] | sphery: | yfaykya: very current trunk? |
| [20:34:26] | sphery: | lot has changed on that recently |
| [20:34:26] | yfaykya: | sphery : Yup |
| [20:34:52] | yfaykya: | 21738 |
| [20:34:55] | ** kormoc ponders committing his scheduler features for 0.23 ** | |
| [20:35:57] | ** kormoc starts to save up to buy a few goats and some virgins ** | |
| [20:36:31] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Virgin goats? |
| [20:36:33] | sphery: | now I'm going to have to figure out what that music video with Dan Akroyd was that involved goats... |
| [20:36:47] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux: ooh! Bet that's bonus points! |
| [20:37:11] | kormoc: | I'm just hoping my two are unobtrusive enough to get by the all-seeing eyes |
| [20:37:37] | kormoc: | (Reduce priority by number of currently recorded shows and increase priority by number of previously watched shows) |
| [20:38:10] | kormoc: | those two + the currently self learning allows all my recordings to be priority 0 and still record in the order I'd want |
| [20:38:59] | sphery: | Dragnet/City of Crime... |
| [20:39:12] | kormoc: | and with another patch I have of adding shortcuts to 'Record show' and 'Record this showing' to the mouse overs, it's a nice way to schedule |
| [20:39:17] | kormoc: | ha |
| [20:39:27] | kormoc: | I still prefer Jack Webb's dragnet |
| [20:39:36] | iamlindoro: | Yay Jack Webb |
| [20:39:40] | iamlindoro: | I have Dragnet on DVD :) :) |
| [20:39:45] | iamlindoro: | LOVED that show as a kid |
| [20:40:07] | sphery: | Wonder if kormoc is a member of "People Against Goodness And Normalcy" |
| [20:40:07] | kormoc: | Totally! |
| [20:40:19] | ** kormoc shifty eyes ** | |
| [20:40:23] | sphery: | You and your PAGAN rituals... |
| [20:40:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Did you take Connie Swail home last night? |
| [20:40:57] | iamlindoro: | You mean the virgin Connie Swail? |
| [20:41:00] | iamlindoro: | *shifty eyes* |
| [20:41:12] | Dagmar: | Not anymore |
| [20:41:19] | iamlindoro: | That was the joke |
| [20:41:22] | iamlindoro: | from the movie |
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| [20:45:16] | juski: | really wtf is up with my net connection tonight? :-\ |
| [20:45:16] | juski: | arghh |
| [20:48:07] | _ben: | :( |
| [20:48:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: just re-watched the video... Wow, was it old. I had forgotten about the movie/video until kormoc reminded me. |
| [20:48:59] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:49:09] | sphery: | Didn't remember it well enough to get your joke until the lots of reminders. |
| [20:49:40] | iamlindoro: | Emil Muzz! |
| [20:49:47] | iamlindoro: | That name always made me laugh |
| [20:52:30] | sphery: | Well, excuse me, copper. Mr. Crimestopper, what is wrong with what we are doin'? We just like to dance in our goat-skin pants around these ancient ruins. |
| [20:52:31] | sphery: | the '80's |
| [20:53:55] | Dagmar: | Yeah they did some crazy stuff back in the 1900's |
| [20:54:06] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:00:43] | juski: | ooo Ti are talking about ffmpeg support on their DSP chips |
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| [21:01:03] | juski: | could be good news for the likes of Neuros |
| [21:01:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: woah, I just updated myth and graphite's wall paper changed? |
| [21:01:19] | sphery: | you mean the one with swirly lines? |
| [21:01:26] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I swapped them out, though it may do so again |
| [21:01:26] | sphery: | I noticed that earlier, too |
| [21:01:36] | kormoc: | looks like a screenshot of a '90s screen saver? |
| [21:01:36] | iamlindoro: | Not really wild about any of them |
| [21:01:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: guess you don't follow the mailing lists? ;-) |
| [21:02:04] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: with all my unlimited free time... :P |
| [21:02:20] | iamlindoro: | yeah, now lecture him about trunk w/o following commits ;) |
| [21:02:38] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: You should still have the original bgs, anyway |
| [21:02:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: J/K... ;-) I'm right there with ya... I just plowed through 200+ msgs from the last couple of days... |
| [21:02:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: just rm images/backgrounds/graphite_abstract* |
| [21:03:07] | iamlindoro: | and that should leave you only w/ the old ones |
| [21:03:16] | kormoc: | snazzy |
| [21:03:29] | iamlindoro: | that's from memory, so double check that filename ;) |
| [21:03:39] | iamlindoro: | I'll likely do up something a little better by the release |
| [21:03:51] | iamlindoro: | but since Graphite is forbidden fruit the release doesn't really matter :) |
| [21:04:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:04:17] | sphery: | forbidden fruit or fruit of the poisonous tree? |
| [21:04:23] | iamlindoro: | "yes" ? |
| [21:04:29] | sphery: | (metadata being said tree?) |
| [21:04:37] | ** kormoc copies Kaylee* to graphite_awesome_* ** | |
| [21:04:57] | iamlindoro: | I'll just create a blank inscape document and run half a dozen random filters, the svn ci ;) |
| [21:04:58] | sphery: | how to turn Graphite into something more precious than diamonds |
| [21:04:59] | iamlindoro: | er then |
| [21:05:12] | juski: | I'm gonna have to get up to speed with metadata grabbering-ifying before 0.22 comes up innit |
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| [21:13:01] | ** dustybin replaces juski with a small script ** | |
| [21:13:24] | juski: | right. NOW I'd like channel ops |
| [21:13:37] | juski: | (please) |
| [21:14:04] | iamlindoro: | I'd replace dustybin, but I already flushed |
| [21:16:50] | kormoc: | Can't even get the joke right... |
| [21:18:53] | juski: | dustybin: just rm -rf trunk/themes/Project* to do what I'd do :P |
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| [21:19:38] | iamlindoro: | Except creating the directory is one step more than dustybin has ever done for myth |
| [21:20:27] | iamlindoro: | At least I know he won't end up using my new theme, since he can't afford the font |
| [21:21:08] | juski: | he might have it at work & take it home (!) |
| [21:21:21] | juski: | though maybe they only use Comic Sans there |
| [21:21:30] | juski: | and crayons |
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| [21:26:38] | kormoc: | dustybin does have a license for my GDIAF theme, but it relies on a printer that supports the POF code or a processor that supports the IAD opcode |
| [21:28:37] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [21:29:33] | dustybin: | I have found a way to scrape RSS XML feeds, i can now create a text to speech asterisk service on my box for traffic and weather reports :D |
| [21:30:00] | dustybin: | wget -q http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/tpeg/en/local/rtm/london_rss.xml -O – | awk -F'[<>]' '/<title>/&&!/BBC Tr/{ print $3 }' |
| [21:30:09] | dustybin: | wget -q http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/obs/world/0008.xml -O – | grep 'Temp' | sed 's/°//g;s/%/%/g' |
| [21:30:12] | dustybin: | perfect :D |
| [21:31:47] | j-rod: | dgilmore: whatcha think about a sunfire v880 mythtv backend? :) |
| [21:32:10] | j-rod: | all this talk about lower power backends on the mailing list, I need to offset them... |
| [21:34:08] | dgilmore: | j-rod: :) i think it owuld work well |
| [21:34:28] | dgilmore: | j-rod: i shoudl put a backend on my T2000 |
| [21:34:55] | dgilmore: | 32 threads for ripping though transcoding/commercial flagging |
| [21:35:05] | j-rod: | I wonder how cheaply one could pimp this thing out... |
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| [21:36:06] | j-rod: | lots of free sockets or slots or whatever still |
| [21:36:35] | juski: | dustybin: you could also just get a web enabled phone & see the info yourself :P |
| [21:37:01] | juski: | we have this thing near where I live called the wheel. you should see it, it's awesome. save you reinventing it |
| [21:37:04] | dustybin: | juski: reading and driving at the same time is dangerous |
| [21:37:12] | juski: | so is using your phone |
| [21:37:18] | dustybin: | juski: hands free |
| [21:37:22] | tmkt: | with procmail...as a regular user..is there a way to see why procmail changes aren't working? dont have access to see the logs |
| [21:37:28] | juski: | dustybin: even dialling |
| [21:37:38] | dustybin: | juski: voice activated dial |
| [21:37:43] | juski: | even that |
| [21:37:59] | juski: | when it works. piece of crap |
| [21:38:00] | Dagmar: | Could be incompetence |
| [21:38:05] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: You've been talking about asterisk in the myth channel for three weeks-- can you please, please cut it out? |
| [21:38:05] | dustybin: | "GO GO GADGET, ASTERISK SERVER" |
| [21:38:16] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: We don't care, please take it to the asterisk channels |
| [21:38:21] | iamlindoro: | inflict yourself on THEM |
| [21:38:22] | dustybin: | ok |
| [21:38:50] | ** tmkt will miss the Asterisk talk ** | |
| [21:39:33] | tmkt: | too bad it isn't in french |
| [21:39:36] | AndyCap: | http://cgi.ebay.com/isapi.dll?viewItem&item=250493449817 only 4000 dollars, but not sure how you would connect a tuner. |
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| [21:40:24] | juski: | there we go. him & his fanclub on the list |
| [21:40:41] | P2E: | hi guys, has anyone tried installing mythtv on slack13 yet? |
| [21:41:57] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [21:42:18] | P2E: | I have a stock install – is there anything I need to be aware of other than needing to install lame? |
| [21:42:19] | dgilmore: | j-rod: how many cpus does it have? |
| [21:42:23] | Dagmar: | You will need the qt-3.x package from extras/ and a clue |
| [21:42:31] | dgilmore: | j-rod: and how much ram? |
| [21:42:45] | j-rod: | dgilmore: only two 750s in it. slots for up to 8 cpu packages, iirc |
| [21:42:46] | kormoc: | P2E: you should read the documentation that covers all the compile time requirements |
| [21:42:51] | j-rod: | and 4G of RAM, can take up to 64G |
| [21:42:54] | P2E: | Dagmar: got both of those. will look. |
| [21:42:56] | dgilmore: | j-rod: yeah the 880 is 8 socket |
| [21:42:59] | dgilmore: | the 440 is 4 |
| [21:43:02] | P2E: | kormoc: looked at that, that's how I figured out I needed lame. |
| [21:43:23] | dgilmore: | j-rod: i have a sb2000 here , that has dual 750's in it |
| [21:43:48] | dgilmore: | j-rod: ive never tried myth on sparc |
| [21:44:00] | dgilmore: | j-rod: i shoudl build rpmfusion for it :) |
| [21:44:34] | j-rod: | given that it currently (I think) doesn't build on ppc, I have no real desire to work on yet another arch |
| [21:44:35] | Dagmar: | I'm still working on a list of the things that don't amuse me about Slackware 13 |
| [21:46:22] | P2E: | Dagmar: er.. qt-3.x doesn't appear to be in extras. so add that to your list. |
| [21:46:44] | Dagmar: | It is in there. |
| [21:46:54] | dgilmore: | j-rod: and sparc and ppc are pretty close |
| [21:47:20] | dgilmore: | j-rod: 995 of the time if it builds on one it will on the other |
| [21:47:27] | dgilmore: | unless it nees some assembly work |
| [21:47:38] | j-rod: | not close enough for this build failure, its something inside an #if ARCH_PPC, iirc |
| [21:47:45] | j-rod: | (or something like that) |
| [21:47:54] | P2E: | Dagmar: well, I don't want to contradict, but http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/ |
| [21:47:57] | j-rod: | I need to poke jwb and get my powerstation actually booting again |
| [21:47:59] | Dagmar: | Mainly I'm just pissed that it seems Patrick has decided to do something we didn't care for when other distributions do it |
| [21:48:09] | Dagmar: | P2E: I'm not clicking the mouse for you. It's in there. |
| [21:48:36] | Dagmar: | GOD FORBID ANYONE EVER USE A SUBDIRECTORY |
| [21:48:42] | Dagmar: | Might as well encrypt the files |
| [21:48:48] | P2E: | oh it's buried in kde3 |
| [21:48:54] | P2E: | sorry, my mistake |
| [21:48:55] | dgilmore: | j-rod: i want a powerstation |
| [21:49:04] | Dagmar: | It's in *a* directory. It's _not_ "buried" |
| [21:49:38] | Dagmar: | Oi. Easier thing: `find /path/to/image -name qt*.txz` |
| [21:54:12] | Dagmar: | I would really like to know why he saw fit to remove X's configuration tool |
| [21:54:16] | Dagmar: | That was dumb. |
| [21:54:30] | Dagmar: | It probed, it was graphical, it was ugly, but it worked. |
| [21:54:44] | Dagmar: | Last night I had to go through a bunch of crap to set up a dual-headed config as a result. |
| [21:55:01] | laga_: | j-rod: is a powerstation awesome? |
| [21:55:22] | j-rod: | reasonably so |
| [21:55:36] | laga_: | j-rod: worth buying these days? |
| [21:55:56] | j-rod: | its generally solid hardware, has a nice SAS controller built-in, dual 2.5GHz dual-core ppc64 procs |
| [21:56:09] | j-rod: | worth buying if you need to do powerpc64 work, sure |
| [21:56:17] | laga_: | do you happen to know hwo much memory it can take? |
| [21:56:35] | j-rod: | don't recall offhand. I think its got at least 8 dimm sockets tho |
| [21:56:56] | j-rod: | http://us.fixstars.com/products/powerstation/ |
| [21:57:19] | j-rod: | yeah, 8 slots, up to 32G |
| [21:57:35] | laga_: | neat |
| [21:57:51] | P2E: | Dagmar: I use X -configure and edit the file and put it in the right place. |
| [21:58:09] | j-rod: | people still use X servers that require an xorg.conf? |
| [21:59:45] | j-rod: | (okay, so I actually do too, but only when using count blobula) |
| [22:00:03] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [22:00:17] | iamlindoro: | I just named an 8-core server at work DrOctopus and *nobody got it* |
| [22:00:23] | iamlindoro: | freakin people |
| [22:00:33] | AndyCap: | j-rod: what magic X server from the future do you have? :) |
| [22:00:47] | AndyCap: | my xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.6.99–28.20090804.fc12 still needs one. |
| [22:01:28] | j-rod: | AndyCap: what driver? Haven't had one on any of my boxes using intel, radeon or nouveau for two releases now |
| [22:01:48] | AndyCap: | for the Identifier "VGA1"\nOption "Ignore" "true" magic. :> |
| [22:01:50] | AndyCap: | intel. |
| [22:02:31] | Dagmar: | You guys thinking it's that simple should add a second display. |
| [22:02:44] | laga_: | Dagmar: fire up xrandr, fiddle a bit, be done |
| [22:03:00] | Dagmar: | The xorgconfig thing that threw up an ugly little diagram let you slap in a second monitor right then and there |
| [22:03:04] | laga_: | Dagmar: i do it at work every.. well, whenever i go ther |
| [22:03:06] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: well, technically since the driver thinks VGA1 exists, HDMI out is a second display. :P |
| [22:03:29] | AndyCap: | of course, it's not very happy when VGA1 doesn't reply to the EDID queries. |
| [22:03:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had a 2nd monitor on my backend on both FC6 and FC8 – haven't used it in a while, didn't seem that bad when i set it up. |
| [22:03:44] | j-rod: | Dagmar: um. yeah. I *have* a second display. No xorg.conf. |
| [22:03:54] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Well, see the thing that gets my goat is that Patrick Vokerding apparently dumped that Xorg-provided program from the package |
| [22:04:05] | P2E: | nvidia-settings is kind of nice for setting up dual-screens |
| [22:04:12] | P2E: | worksforme(tm) |
| [22:04:22] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: what progream? isn't -configure build into the server? |
| [22:04:30] | Dagmar: | It is. |
| [22:04:41] | P2E: | he's talking about the like xfree86 configurator |
| [22:04:42] | Dagmar: | However, I'm one of those loons who reads the docs and does what they say |
| [22:05:03] | ** AndyCap gave up on that when he realized that people didn't bother to update the docs ** | |
| [22:05:19] | ** j-rod staring at a dual-head nouveau-driven spanning desktop setup on a box with no xorg.conf right now ** | |
| [22:05:21] | Dagmar: | Well, no, this is *not* the xfree86 "ask a jillion questions" script |
| [22:05:31] | Dagmar: | It's the new one they added in xorg |
| [22:05:34] | AndyCap: | j-rod: oh, yeah, that was fairly sweet. |
| [22:05:37] | laga_: | j-rod: nouveau? why do you use that? is it usable? fast? Xv? |
| [22:05:38] | Dagmar: | Either they dropped it or he dropped it |
| [22:06:04] | j-rod: | laga_: its usable, its plenty fast enough for 2D, Xv is functional |
| [22:06:12] | AndyCap: | but, if I'm going for crappy performance my money goes to intel instead of nvidia. :) |
| [22:06:36] | j-rod: | also, Red Hat actually employs people actively working on nouveau |
| [22:06:42] | laga_: | ah, neat |
| [22:06:52] | P2E: | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8xYSW7uEcMQ/SeKAyzk . . . +windows.JPG |
| [22:07:00] | P2E: | there you go Dagmar, set that to your desktop background |
| [22:07:09] | P2E: | =] |
| [22:07:22] | ** AndyCap thinks the money would be better spent on amd or intel support. ** | |
| [22:07:22] | Dagmar: | Look. |
| [22:07:36] | Dagmar: | I've been using Slackware since before a lot of you actually liked girls. |
| [22:07:46] | Dagmar: | Give me a fucking break with trying to tell me how to set it up |
| [22:07:54] | Dagmar: | If the damn thing worked without a config file I would have let it run that way. |
| [22:08:17] | Dagmar: | What Pat shipped fails utterly if you want the nvidia driver to work |
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| [22:08:44] | ** AndyCap dumped slackware before girls started liking him. ** | |
| [22:08:45] | P2E: | to make nvidia work I: (1) ran nvidia utility (2) changed driver to nvidia, the end |
| [22:08:58] | Dagmar: | No shit, really? |
| [22:09:02] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [22:09:04] | P2E: | really. |
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| [22:09:11] | gbee: | heh, I actually had to look up the first Slackware release date to see how valid that claim was |
| [22:09:23] | P2E: | sid3windr: you don't happen to be into MOD files do you? |
| [22:09:26] | sid3windr: | what claim? "slackware is shit" ? :p |
| [22:09:39] | sid3windr: | P2E: why? |
| [22:09:42] | meshe: | haha, nice gbee |
| [22:09:46] | laga_: | wait |
| [22:09:53] | P2E: | because your nickname is that of a composer. |
| [22:09:54] | laga_: | i ran linux before i started liking girls |
| [22:09:57] | ** AndyCap ran SLS too ** | |
| [22:10:08] | sid3windr: | P2E: in this exact spelling? |
| [22:10:17] | gbee: | "I've been using Slackware since before a lot of you actually liked girls." < Probably true that a lot of people here are that young, but I know that many of us aren't |
| [22:10:28] | ** sid3windr is only 27 ** | |
| [22:10:33] | sid3windr: | but i've liked girls since a long time =) |
| [22:10:48] | P2E: | I don't like anyone, if it makes Dagmar feel better |
| [22:10:51] | P2E: | or anyone else |
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| [22:11:38] | sid3windr: | P2E: I used to do some but that was as "sidewinder" – and I bet the nick isnt as original as "u4ia" or similar ;) |
| [22:11:46] | meshe: | gbee: when was slackware released? |
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| [22:12:00] | P2E: | sid3windr: he usually uses sidewind on irc but I haven't seen that nick around so I asked. |
| [22:12:10] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:12:13] | sid3windr: | that's not me :) |
| [22:12:17] | P2E: | blarg. mythtv still breaks compiling on some QT stuff. =[ |
| [22:12:38] | laga_: | can we unban dagmar? it'*s getting boring |
| [22:12:40] | AndyCap: | meshe: late 93 iirc |
| [22:13:08] | gbee: | meshe: wikipedia says '93 was the first release |
| [22:13:27] | ** sid3windr was playing doom back then ** | |
| [22:13:32] | sid3windr: | not linux. |
| [22:13:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A was 25 in '93 ... ** | |
| [22:13:45] | sid3windr: | linux was for '97 :) |
| [22:13:50] | ** laga_ was going to elementary ** | |
| [22:13:51] | sid3windr: | hey |
| [22:13:53] | sid3windr: | you're an oldie |
| [22:14:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A was playing Amiga games... ;-) ** | |
| [22:14:04] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [22:14:08] | AndyCap: | why play doom when you could be configuring XS3. |
| [22:14:08] | P2E: | ah, amiga |
| [22:14:10] | ** sid3windr <- pc scene ** | |
| [22:14:12] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:14:12] | P2E: | I need to bust my 1200 out |
| [22:14:12] | meshe: | hmmm, so pretty close to not being true for me :) |
| [22:14:13] | gbee: | have to admit that was older than I expected, but I was chasing girls around the playground well before then ;) |
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| [22:14:51] | gbee: | although I'm not an old man like J-e-f-f-A ;) |
| [22:14:56] | sid3windr: | heheh |
| [22:14:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga_: got his wish... ;-) |
| [22:15:02] | laga_: | yay |
| [22:15:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: who you calling a dirty old man??? Oh wait, you didn't say "dirty" ;-) |
| [22:15:21] | meshe: | right after Dagmar left |
| [22:15:38] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: get out of my head |
| [22:16:34] | AndyCap: | blargh, seems my usb -> rf gadget requires more active components than wires and solder. :( |
| [22:17:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, to contrast these beautiful new high-res themes, maybe I should make an "Apple ][" theme... ;-) |
| [22:18:41] | laga_: | AndyCap: you just gotta believe |
| [22:19:36] | AndyCap: | or find somewhere I can get a transistor and a datasheet not written by idiots. |
| [22:20:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: "usb -> rf gadget" ? |
| [22:22:46] | AndyCap: | umm. yeah. so I have these cheap rf remote light switches and dimmers which I would like to control from the mythtv frontend. So I was thinking a ftdi usb -> serial chip + a 433.92Mhz transmitter + receiver. |
| [22:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Why not just use X-10? |
| [22:25:25] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: not as plentiful over here. |
| [22:26:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Ah, right after I typed that I thought to my self "I wonder if he's not in the US..." ;-) |
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| [22:27:27] | AndyCap: | anyhow it looks promising, (for a guy with no scope) and if I implement an on/off switch for the transmitters VCC on another line, I guess the reciver should be ok too. |
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| [22:44:20] | juski: | J-e-f-f-A: another thing. X10 sucks |
| [22:44:59] | juski: | especially if you live in CFL land :( |
| [22:45:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: It's not *that* bad... It's cheap, and works 95% of the time... ^^ Yeah CFLs cause issues because of the noise they generate on the AC line... |
| [22:46:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: The new stuff, "Insteon" is really nice, but very pricey... |
| [22:46:56] | iamlindoro: | juski, so when will I see the ability to crossfade a dynamic imagetype? ;) |
| [22:47:10] | iamlindoro: | Should be simple for a GL expert such as yourself :) |
| [22:47:15] | juski: | heh |
| [22:47:28] | juski: | s/expert/well-intentioned-soul |
| [22:47:39] | ** iamlindoro dislikes the "splat" of fanart while moving through the library ** | |
| [22:48:06] | juski: | I have some free time this weekend so it'll be a good chance to start bashing some test apps together to get the hang of some more basic concepts |
| [22:48:35] | juski: | the plus being, I can do that part on windows :) |
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| [22:48:43] | juski: | opengl == opengl :) |
| [22:48:49] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah :) |
| [22:48:55] | juski: | though I might not be able to get the tools I need to do that |
| [22:49:11] | juski: | can you not just wait til qt4.6? |
| [22:49:13] | juski: | :P |
| [22:49:21] | iamlindoro: | Say what you will about stupid flaming windows, I think we could really use someone who knows compiz internals |
| [22:49:42] | juski: | even compiz doesn't use shaders exclusively AFAIK |
| [22:50:05] | juski: | there were discussions around "muhh, what about users with gf2?" |
| [22:50:22] | iamlindoro: | Heh, sounds as though you've done far more research on it than I |
| [22:50:49] | juski: | the concept of shader code is simple enough. translating it into something *I* can use in the painter is something else |
| [22:51:04] | juski: | like there's enough stuff I can pinch to do the effects we (you) want |
| [22:51:08] | juski: | ;) |
| [22:51:21] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [22:51:31] | juski: | just getting my head around how to make myth do it.. that's the gazillion dowwar question |
| [22:51:59] | juski: | shader code can be slung in from files, text strings, structs.. |
| [22:52:33] | juski: | it might even be easier than I think |
| [22:52:44] | juski: | just gotta make some more er.. leaps |
| [22:54:24] | juski: | might be some mileage in getting the gl painter to scale the images on the fly too, but abstracting out the decision making stuff will be a BITCH |
| [22:55:08] | juski: | if $paintersupportsthis { dostuff} else do_other_stuff BLECH |
| [22:55:45] | laga_: | i think those curly braces need to be on new lines :) |
| [22:55:50] | juski: | I just put one case in while I was playing with the rotation trick & it was a right mess, testing here there & everywhere |
| [22:56:04] | juski: | so that'd need one major MF'ing refactor |
| [22:57:26] | juski: | even if we start to use qt 4.x's native ability to use different painters itself it'd still involve bastards of rewriting & that wouldn't be nice for anyone |
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| [22:58:37] | juski: | bloody qt. come up with goods after myth developers decide to pre-empt you why don't you? :P |
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| [22:59:08] | iamlindoro: | FWIW they're still far from releasing QAnimation, it seems |
| [22:59:21] | iamlindoro: | 4.6 seems like it'll be '10 at the earliest |
| [22:59:22] | juski: | maybe for 5.0 then |
| [22:59:40] | juski: | by that time I'll be an old man |
| [22:59:53] | tmkt: | any changes this week in mythtv-fixes? FE crashed twice today..hasnt crashed on me in months |
| [23:00:07] | i_is_cat: | ok so.. i seem to have mythweb running.. i dunno what was wrong, but what i did was download the 0.21-fixes mythweb and used the mythweb.conf file from it but kept mythweb the same as the one from trunk.. now it seems ok |
| [23:00:09] | juski: | and nobody will even need mythtv cos all our teevees will do everything we want, right? ;) |
| [23:00:20] | i_is_cat: | and if theres any serious issues with doing that lemme know now before i hose everything plz lol |
| [23:00:36] | juski: | right I is going to bedfordshire |
| [23:00:36] | juski: | nn all |
| [23:00:53] | juski: | if I manage to scrobble anything gl related over the weekend I'll post teaser shots |
| [23:01:53] | tmkt: | who does mythgallery? i'd love to add flickr to it |
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| [23:03:25] | iamlindoro: | Whoever is adding whatever feature does mythgallery :) |
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| [23:03:29] | iamlindoro: | and please feel free :) |
| [23:04:04] | iamlindoro: | Nobody is boring enough to own mythgallery ;) |
| [23:04:15] | tmkt: | ok |
| [23:04:18] | tmkt: | perfect |
| [23:04:31] | laga_: | flickr would be nice |
| [23:04:36] | laga_: | please don't fsck it up ;) |
| [23:04:37] | tmkt: | so just go crazy with what is in svn |
| [23:04:50] | tmkt: | i hate having my images on the hd and flickr |
| [23:05:02] | iamlindoro: | just download code, generate patches, open a ticket w/ them when you're done |
| [23:05:25] | tmkt: | i'd like to get gallery to import the pictures from the usb/camera stuff, and ask to upload to flickr, and display flickr images, and get rid of the local hd stuff |
| [23:05:28] | tmkt: | will do |
| [23:05:31] | tmkt: | guess its all C? |
| [23:05:39] | iamlindoro: | C++/Qt4 |
| [23:05:44] | tmkt: | ok.. |
| [23:06:30] | tmkt: | have October off |
| [23:06:46] | tmkt: | so lots of time for that |
| [23:08:57] | meshe: | could you make the backend for that pluggable? not everyone wants/likes flickr |
| [23:09:21] | iamlindoro: | Yes, was just going to suggest same |
| [23:09:26] | iamlindoro: | I want smugmug :) |
| [23:09:30] | tmkt: | probably not.. i could see myself making it flexible for other web services |
| [23:09:49] | tmkt: | but can't see myself developing the other ones which I have no pasion for |
| [23:09:58] | meshe: | thats all i'd ask, then we could write for our favorite gallery site |
| [23:10:00] | iamlindoro: | flexibility is more than enough |
| [23:10:06] | tmkt: | ok |
| [23:10:08] | tmkt: | will do |
| [23:10:08] | iamlindoro: | and docs on writing for the interface |
| [23:11:10] | tmkt: | sure thing |
| [23:11:23] | jduggan: | wtf, i cant find the jump amount setting under playback settings, isnt it under 'Seeking' page?? i only have fastforward/rewind for sticky keys as a figure there.. |
| [23:11:38] | jduggan: | 0.21-fixes btw |
| [23:12:56] | i_is_cat: | my roommate is irritated by the auto detect adjust fill thing when playing livetv lol |
| [23:13:12] | iamlindoro: | so teach him to turn it off :) |
| [23:13:22] | i_is_cat: | lol its a her and i showed her.. i just think its funny |
| [23:13:35] | i_is_cat: | i like the feature personally.. |
| [23:14:52] | i_is_cat: | hmmm just testing this terra theme.. aside from the butt ugly colours its pretty nice |
| [23:15:13] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure the author appreciates the tactless description |
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| [23:15:28] | ** jduggan giggles ** | |
| [23:15:42] | i_is_cat: | lol well colours are totally personal.. it is a nice theme thats for sure |
| [23:15:43] | iamlindoro: | By the way, your mom is pretty nice for a syphilitic whore |
| [23:15:58] | iamlindoro: | No, really, she's nice |
| [23:16:14] | i_is_cat: | lol my mom is nice and she sorta of is a whore which i find pretty funny |
| [23:16:30] | i_is_cat: | mostly cuz she's a lesbo lol |
| [23:17:05] | mindoms: | hm |
| [23:17:31] | laga_: | wtf |
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| [23:19:01] | mindoms: | the problem is. even nice themes and cute effects dont make crappy tv shows watchable |
| [23:19:16] | i_is_cat: | mindoms, you got that right |
| [23:21:59] | i_is_cat: | i wonder if theres a way i could add something to myth that would allow you to change the colours of the themes within myth instead of having to go and edit the files.. would that be possible? not really sure how it all works.. |
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| [23:23:04] | acidbreez: | hey im wondering if anyone here has used MythTV with Shaw Direct before? |
| [23:23:18] | i_is_cat: | not i |
| [23:23:39] | i_is_cat: | used it with a shaw cable box before.. one of the bigger motorola ones.. |
| [23:24:32] | acidbreez: | did you just use a tv tuner card with it? |
| [23:25:02] | i_is_cat: | uh.. ya it was either a pvr350 or a pvr150 cant remember |
| [23:25:47] | iamlindoro: | i_is_cat, that would not really be possible. Aside from text, and if using the shape widget (which is fairly minimally used) colors aren't defined in themes, they're hardcoded images |
| [23:25:56] | i_is_cat: | and the mceusb from the pvr150 was used to blast the channels and such |
| [23:26:20] | i_is_cat: | iamlindoro, i thought that might be how its done.. oh well.. |
| [23:28:44] | i_is_cat: | i set manson to record the other night and it said it was recording but both my tuners were left open and available and now i went to check the previously recorded section of myth and it shows its there taking space but it wont play or anything.. wtf? lol i deleted it so theres no point in trying to fix it now but wtf?? |
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| [23:35:07] | ** cesman thinks iamlindoro was teasing folks w/ his Arclight email on the user's list ;) ** | |
| [23:35:39] | iamlindoro: | Me? Noooooooo |
| [23:38:37] | iamlindoro: | cesman, I really would like to think of a way to get people interested/on broad theming, though |
| [23:38:49] | iamlindoro: | Maybe some sort of competition? |
| [23:39:27] | iamlindoro: | ie six months to create the theme, due by .23 – 4 weeks, w/ a free year of SD for each person to submit a theme, and some fanciness for the winner? |
| [23:39:36] | mindoms: | ever had the problem that a cpu forgot how to do feholdexcept after an suspen tpo ram? |
| [23:39:42] | iamlindoro: | gbee, ^^ ? |
| [23:39:59] | iamlindoro: | (though obviously there'd have to be some sort of comparable participation prize for non-NA users) |
| [23:40:03] | laga_: | mindoms: what? |
| [23:40:13] | iamlindoro: | s/on broad/on board/ |
| [23:41:24] | mindoms: | thats some system call/ instruction ... something with the floating point environment on the cpu. my laptop always failod on that after an suspend2ram. and mythfrontend uses that system call |
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| [23:43:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro: a competition sounds like a good idea ... so long as someone else is organising it :p |
| [23:43:23] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:44:13] | iamlindoro: | would need to be very clearly delineated, ie can only win w/ a "complete" theme, what constitutes a complete theme, what license terms the theme would need to be released under, etc. |
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