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Tuesday, September 8th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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petre:

I'm running mythbuntu. I used to run knoppmyth, but switched when I built a new server when OTA went digital.

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petre:

I'm using SchedulesDirect, as I was before. But it seems to not have as much info as it used to. Is this normal?

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sphery:

what do you mean by "not as much info"

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sphery:

if you mean you get a lot of generic episodes, that's normal for this time of year

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sphery:

(and will soon change as the new season starts)

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petre:

Previously, it had the names of all the shows on all the available channels, but now many slots just show "DTV program?

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petre:

"

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petre:

s/?/"/

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sphery:

that sounds like a lineup issue--the channel isn't reporting its info to TMS or something

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petre:

And there's no color coding of the programs when I look at it via the web interface

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petre:

which breaks the searches as well.

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sphery:

or, more likely (after thinking for a second), you've enabled EIT on channels that get their data from SD

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petre:

So, I'm not sure if I've got something misconfigured or if something changed on the SD end

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sphery:

so the EIT stomps all over the good data

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petre:

What is EIT? I remember seeing that somewhere...

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petre:

I should be able to disable EIT, right?

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sphery:

EIT is the place where data--such as program start/end times, title, subtitle, description--are transmitted in digital signals

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sphery:

You want to disable "Use on air guide" on every channel for which you get SD data

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petre:

Ok, makes sense. Would that also explain why I don't seem to have any schedule info more than a day into the future?

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sphery:

or disable "Perform EIT Scan" if you don't want to use it on any

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sphery:

petre: if you don't have info for more than a day, that either means you're not using SD or you're using it on the wrong channels (i.e. you have 2 copies of each channel in myth)

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wagnerrp:

why would the station be broadcasting 'DTV Program'?

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sphery:

I'm guessing the latter... If so, use: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

do both the video sources /and/ capture cards portion just to make sure

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sphery:

wagnerrp: because providing good info costs more $$$

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sphery:

TTBOMK, all they have to provide is now/next info

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sphery:

anything else is "a service provided for the benefit of our users"

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wagnerrp:

it costs money to write some script to copy your upcoming schedule into the EIT buffer?

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sphery:

nothing is free

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sphery:

my locals have garbage for EIT

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wagnerrp:

but... it is free, its their data

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sphery:

no, they have to have someone enter it

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wagnerrp:

i can understand only having a day, or even a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

but to have garbage data?

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wagnerrp:

thats worse than nothing

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sphery:

then have software that converts it from the format in which they're entering it to a usable-for-eit format (and that means developing/maintaining the software)

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sphery:

and possibly additional stuff to make it all work with their processes/encoders/...

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petre:

ok, I'm an idiot: Today's data is just 'DTV program', but I moved ahead a day and everything looks fine, programs listed, color-coded, etc.

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sphery:

still sounds like you have EIT enabled

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sphery:

you can /not/ have EIT enabled on a schedules direct channel

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sphery:

or it will break things

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sphery:

i.e. tomorrow "today's" data will be "DTV program", then the day after "today's" data will be...

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petre:

oh, right, once the EIT info is received with the program, it overwrites what came via SD, right?

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sphery:

so when it comes time to /use/ the data, it's already been deleted

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sphery:

right

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petre:

I'll try disabling the EIT

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sphery:

use the process I mentioned--Delete all video sources (and for good measure Delete all capture cards) and follow the instructions on the post

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petre:

sphery, does DataDirect=SchedulesDirect?

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sphery:

you can try to figure out what's broken in your current config and then fix it, but that's likely to take longer than than the 2mins to clear it and start fresh (doing it properly this time--now that you know you need to disable EIT), and you're not likely to say, "OK, fixed that, all will be good," then finding out later there's another thing, then fixing it, then finding out later there's another thing...

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sphery:

yeah, basically the same

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sphery:

DataDirect is the underlying mechanism used by Schedules Direct (and its predecessor Zap2It Labs)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/itlives.png

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iamlindoro:

Mwah hahahah

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Gav8in:

So a few weeks ago i sent a series of complaints to the FCC about invalid EIT data

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Gav8in:

so far: nothing

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Gav8in:

My guess about the ultimate resolution: nothing.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: interesting choice of image names... http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/itlives.png

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sphery:

from an old Gray Foxx

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iamlindoro:

my itlives is better ;)

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sphery:

Yours is more full of life.

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iamlindoro:

full of olga

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sphery:

and that

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iamlindoro:

Only irritating things are the stupid qt textedit bug and lack of multiline text edit

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sphery:

yeah, no one interesting in his--not even in the preview pixmaps

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wagnerrp:

it would be far better if it were theylive

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sphery:

are you fixing the <align>center</align> thing?

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wagnerrp:

of course then there would be a stark lack of color and/or life

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** iamlindoro suspects the above will be interesting to superdump **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, No idea where to begin, gbee may hav an idea

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sphery:

especially with the spinboxes centered, it looks like the textedits should be.

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iamlindoro:

Fun project, plus it forced me to theme bunched of the basic widgets-- now have popupmenu, buttonlist, basebutton, spinbox, textedit, selector style buttonlist, checkbox, and searchbutton all themed

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iamlindoro:

Which constitutes 90% of the commonly used stuff

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iamlindoro:

and, of course, all the font stuff

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johannes_:

hi, I saw this new theme graphite, which looks great, is there a development forum for new skins like the xbmc skin forum?

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iamlindoro:

johannes_, We have a theming mailing list

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-theming

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-theming/

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iamlindoro:

also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development

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johannes_:

I dont yet know how a mailing list works, but Ill have a look at it

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iamlindoro:

also: http://www.fecitfacta.com/itlives.png

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iamlindoro:

hee hee

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sphery:

( johannes_ and iamlindoro probably also appreciates your compliment for his theme Graphite :)

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iamlindoro:

shhh

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iamlindoro:

Graphite is on its way to the garbage can, long live $nexttheme

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sphery:

johannes_: the theming mailing list is very low-volume, but don't let that scare you... It just hasn't caught on yet and not a lot of people are theming now (until 0.22 is released because they don't want to run trunk), so feel free to post to it if you're really interested in doing theming.

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sphery:

Graphite is dead! Long live Graphite!

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wagnerrp:

Graphite 2: The Graphene

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johannes_:

ah, I see, so iamlindoro is Robert :-)

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sphery:

heamroberto

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sphery:

"Compadres, it is imperative that we crush the freedom fighters before the start of the rainy season. And remember, a shiny new donkey for whoever brings me the head of Colonel Montoya. ... Hmm? What? Oh, and by that I mean, of course, it's time for the "Worker of the Week Award". I can't believe we've overlooked this week's winner for so very, very long. We simply could not function without his tireless efforts. So, a ...

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sphery:

... round of applause for...this inanimate Graphite rod!"

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wagnerrp:

know your Simpsons by heart eh?

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sphery:

by Google, actually

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sphery:

just thought that Graphite deserved a little bit of acknowledgement for its tireless efforts...

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superdump:

huh? wuh? mippmuh

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iamlindoro:

superdump, http://www.fecitfacta.com/itlives.png

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iamlindoro:

It's a real boy now

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wagnerrp:

meaning... that is actually rendered by the UI? not just a mockup?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, correct

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superdump:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Not that I am likely to release it before .23

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superdump:

nice exhibition of the widgets

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iamlindoro:

As I'll probably end up cramming in whatever other new pretties we get by then

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superdump:

incremental development?

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iamlindoro:

Well, Graphite took 7 months, but was mostly spent on me learning everything

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superdump:

core functionality, stabilise, next round of important stuff, stabilise, rinse repeat?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

for MythUI, yeah

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superdump:

i guess you'll be quicker this time :)

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iamlindoro:

now we're basically mostly ported, so .23 will mostly receive new eye candy

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johannes_:

are you the only one building new themes by now?

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, I've done more this weekend than I did in the first two months of Graphite

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superdump:

cool

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iamlindoro:

No, gbee has multiple full themes, and there are people playing around

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iamlindoro:

but he and I are the only ones to have completed MythUI themes

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superdump:

how difficult is it?

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superdump:

i don't mean that in an arrogant way

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superdump:

i'm curious because i've never really touched any ui stuff

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superdump:

the closest i've come is messing with CSS :)

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superdump:

tenuous

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iamlindoro:

It's not that difficult

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iamlindoro:

grasping the concepts is tough at first, and there was no documentation

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iamlindoro:

(though we now have it as I wrote docs as I went)

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iamlindoro:

The harder part is the tiny fiddling w/ placement-- you can draw all the base widgets in a weekend (and I mostly have for this one) but then theming positioning for screen after screen takes time and thought

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iamlindoro:

and a thick skin to protect you from people w/ suggestions ;)

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superdump:

and i guess everyone has different DPIs and font sizes and...

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superdump:

doesn't that pretty much make it impossible?

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superdump:

the fonts pretty much never fully look right for me

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superdump:

they've been tiny (in debian, some issue with dpi and qt when using gtk DEs)

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johannes_:

is mythui somehow similar to other media player UIs, so you can use their themes, too?

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superdump:

or quite large ({x,}ubuntu)

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superdump:

so that bits of the text get chopped off

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iamlindoro:

superdump, w/ MythUI it's all relative, so you can (now) be sure of how font sizes will be, as they're all set by the themer

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iamlindoro:

just requires doing all the fiddling to make it so

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superdump:

good

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iamlindoro:

also, for .23 we should ave autosized text

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superdump:

the themer should have the control imo

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iamlindoro:

I will admit that there are various spots in Graphite I just never bothered finding solutions to cutoff text, but I shall do so w/ this one

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superdump:

is it as annoying as messing with CSS to make it work on all browsers? :)

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iamlindoro:

johannes_, No, there is no cross compatability, it is a language unto itself

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iamlindoro:

superdump, probably not since there's only one target :)

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superdump:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

ah, there we go: http://www.fecitfacta.com/itlives_betterer.png

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iamlindoro:

fixed annoying alignment issue

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iamlindoro:

This will (assuming I get it done before any others pop up) also be Myth's first native 1080p theme

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superdump:

:)

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johannes_:

native 1080p ^^ love that!

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[R]:

iamlindoro: shouldn't the plot be multiline?

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iamlindoro:

[R], if we had a multiline text edit, i'd get right on that

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[R]:

oh, myth can't do that? lame

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iamlindoro:

it will before .22

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sphery:

[R]: not lame, just not finished

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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[R]:

ok, that makes me feel better

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iamlindoro:

but All of us working on myth appreciate hearing what's lame

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[R]:

i dindt mean it like that

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iamlindoro:

and it makes us like those who say so ever so much

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sphery:

and I'm sure if he were here, the dev who spent basically all his free time for the last 18mos doing the new UI support for Myth would /really/ love hearing comments like that (even if they weren't intended to be mean)

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johannes_:

oh, that happened to me once, when I said I didnt like the knoppmyth boot splash

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johannes_:

ouch

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paperclip:

I'm trying to get channel icons working.. read the wiki.. dumped my icons in ~/.mythtv/channels and then added them in the channel editor

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paperclip:

do i need the full path?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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paperclip:

bleh

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paperclip:

i was afraid you'd say that

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HRearden:

Argh... just updated to svn 21680, have a Zotac Ion that used to work great, now has issues with vdpau.

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HRearden:

Anyone else having VDPAU issues recently?

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paperclip:

you know off hand where the file is that I need to edit?

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iamlindoro:

There is no file, Myth configuration is in the DB

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paperclip:

i thought their was an xml icon map

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HRearden:

first symptom was a checkboard screen... with 190.32 driver by the way.

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iamlindoro:

nope, icon locations are stored in the DB

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paperclip:

ok.. hopefully i can past the first part in each one..

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paperclip:

thank you

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iamlindoro:

np

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johannes_:

HRearden Phoronix said something about vdpau changes in 190.32, maybe thats your problem?

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HRearden:

changed back to 185.18.36 and still had a corrupted screen instead of checkboard. Interestingly, even XvMC doesn't seem to work now...:

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iamlindoro:

Xvmc would never work on an ION

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HRearden:

2009-09–07 21:12:16.934 VideoOutputXv Error: XvMC output requested, but is not supported by display.

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HRearden:

Xlib: extension "XVideo-MotionCompensation" missing on display ":0.0".

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HRearden:

Xlib: extension "XVideo-MotionCompensation" missing on display ":0.0".

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU cards cannot do XvMC, XVMC cards cannot to VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

er do

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iamlindoro:

last cards that supported XvMC were 7xxx series, first cards that support VDPAU were 8xxx series

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HRearden:

Oh. Somehow I missed that. Argh.

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johannes_:

is the opensource ati driver good enough for mythtv?

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[R]:

johannes_: good enough for doing what?

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iamlindoro:

If a) the driver provides Xv support, and b) you have lots of processor to do the work the GPU won't be doing, yes

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johannes_:

watching tv

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HRearden:

So what's the current recommendation then for nvidia driver for good vdpau support – 185.18.36?

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johannes_:

I dont think it supports Xv, the cpu would be an Athlon II 245

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iamlindoro:

if you don't have Xv support, you are sunk

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iamlindoro:

as that's really a bare minimum for any sort of actual use

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johannes_:

http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature Id like to use the R700

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f0urtyfive:

where does myth decide what to record?

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iamlindoro:

that question... my head... it burns...

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f0urtyfive:

lol.

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iamlindoro:

which is to say... huh?

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f0urtyfive:

like, where does it schedule what it records

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f0urtyfive:

after I setup recording schedules

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f0urtyfive:

that record any channel, any showing of a show

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[R]:

f0urtyfive: the database?

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iamlindoro:

That question is still escaping me-- do you want to know where the code is? Where it keeps the info? Where to view upcoming?

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f0urtyfive:

well, my myth install isnt recording any scheduled programs

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f0urtyfive:

and in "upcoming recordings" it shows nothing.

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f0urtyfive:

iamlindoro: where the code executes. Mythfilldatabase?

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iamlindoro:

no, the scheduler code in the backend

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iamlindoro:

but I will stake both testicles on it not being a code problem

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f0urtyfive:

No I was just wondering if there was somewhere I could force it to run

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f0urtyfive:

and see verbose output :D

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f0urtyfive:

to see what I fucked up in the last 2 days

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f0urtyfive:

you know, troubleshooting?

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sphery:

johannes_: ah, R700... What fun you will have getting those drivers to do video.

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johannes_:

sphery do you mean I should rather choose fglrx or even nvidia?

[01:37:36]

sphery:

f0urtyfive: trunk?

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f0urtyfive:

definitely not.

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f0urtyfive:

unless trunk is reeeeeally old

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sphery:

johannes_: fglrx would be easier than the FOSS drivers and nvidia is probably even easier

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sphery:

you can make it work with the FOSS drivers, but you'll need a very new kernel, very new DRM implementation, very new Mesa, and a lot of time to figure it all out

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: MythTV Version : 19961

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: branch is 0.21-fixes ?

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f0urtyfive:

yes

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: was this an upgrade to a new distro or did it just stop working?

[01:40:03]

f0urtyfive:

just stopped working...

[01:40:16]

f0urtyfive:

I have recently added a second frontend that is probably running a newer version

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f0urtyfive:

but :/

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sphery:

I'd guess your input connections are broken... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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sphery:

the video sources portion at least

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johannes_:

sphery I thought about fedora 12, because I really want plymouth for paf

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f0urtyfive:

...

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: I havent done anything to my input connections in several months...

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f0urtyfive:

why would they break suddenly

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sphery:

because they were broken before, but you didn't realize it

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sphery:

Myth will work fine with certain brokenness, then one day will just stop working

[01:47:41]

f0urtyfive:

alright, why would it break in a way where it was recording last week, but not recording today

[01:47:55]

sphery:

which is why I always recommend clearing everything out rather than just changing what you see

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sphery:

because the specific brokenness that I'm talking about allows myth to come up sometimes and read in the right information, but occasionally, when things go just wrong, it reads in wrong info--then usually writes enough wrong info back to the DB that things are broken from then on

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sphery:

if you do a "partial" fix--i.e. edit what you see, you're leaving the same brokenness (garbage data) in the database, so it will just happen again

[01:49:27]

f0urtyfive:

I dont see anything thats broken.

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sphery:

anyway, if you follow that procedure, you'll probably find that everything works fine again

[01:49:36]

f0urtyfive:

All I see is that its not scheduling recordings

[01:50:06]

sphery:

f0urtyfive: and you know exactly how the Myth DB schema is designed, and all the data integrity constraints that are implemented in the code in MythTV (not in the database) and exactly how the code interprets all that data?

[01:50:30]

sphery:

if not, try what I recommended and if it doesn't work, then come back and tell me I was wrong

[01:50:43]

sphery:

otherwise, if it works, enjoy watching your new recordings

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f0urtyfive:

I tend to dislike "delete all your settings" as the first step in troubleshooting.

[01:51:06]

iamlindoro:

Heh, now that's one of my favorite pieces of fanart: http://www.fecitfacta.com/winner.png

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sphery:

if you don't want to take the 2 minutes to follow that procedure, I really don't want to spend 10x or more that time arguing with you about what's wrong

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sphery:

basically, though, your following that procedure will mean that /you/ spend the time fixing it rather than /me/ spending tons of my time going through all the possible problems that could cause you to have no scheduled recordings

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sphery:

i.e. by deleting /everything/, you're deleting all the brokenness

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johannes_:

do you have pictures of other menues, too?

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sphery:

so maybe I'm just being lazy

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iamlindoro:

nothing even close to finished, I just started working on it this weekend

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f0urtyfive:

Or perhaps re-scanning and re-editing all the xmltvid's will take a couple hours... so I'd rather fix it then start over...

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: feel free to fix it, then--after spending hours and hours and hours trying to figure out /what/ is broken/needs fixing

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johannes_:

it says trailer in one line, does this mean, you can add little trailer movies that are shown in a small window?

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iamlindoro:

MythVideo in .22 has trailer capability. You can launch the trailer for the selected movie, or play a user-selected number of random trailers before playing the movie

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: per: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/391098#391098 , last time I did it "Including backing up and fixing the xmltvid's, it took all of 7 minutes--and I wasn't even hurrying. The Full Scan of the US ATSC channels took 5 of those minutes. That means 2 minutes of my time plus 5 minutes of start it and walk away computer time."

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iamlindoro:

no trailer preview yet, though there likely will be for .23

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: which is why I refuse to spend a lot of my time helping /anyone/ figure out what part of that easily-recreated data is broken

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sphery:

Of course, that's because I place more value on /my/ time than you seem to place on my time.

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johannes_:

so I can watch a trailer before, the actual movie starts in 0.22 and in 0.23 a trailer will start to play when I hover over a movie Icon?

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iamlindoro:

the first thing, yes, the second thing will be up to your theme, but basically

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Dagmar:

Where's 0.23 come from?

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BhaalWK:

Anyone here from Australia heard of a working iView module for mythtv yet? Ive seen some basic chatter when searching google, but nothing concrete

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johannes_:

sounds very nice

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: sometimes when a developer and a keyboard like each other, the developer starts tapping on the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

and then nine months later, the stork comes and gives a new version of the software

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Smartass

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Dagmar:

I guess it's karma for me buzzing a coworker last night

[02:03:39]

Dagmar:

He had some packet of pills in his wallet that looked like something it wasn't

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Dagmar:

They should reconsider their packaging, it looked like a "male enhancement" product

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Dagmar:

I told him I knew of something that worked pretty well... it's all natural, works great and all you have to do is rub it on your tongue for awhile

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Dagmar:

No side effects I'm aware of

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wagnerrp:

well... that depends on if that 'something' is contaminated

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Dagmar:

You can tell when they've gone bad. heheh

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wagnerrp:

do not use if seal has been popped?

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Dagmar:

Nah they're definnitely reuseable

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Dagmar:

Recyclable, even

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Dagmar:

I'm impressed. Either everyone's idle, or they've learned when not to ask

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J-e-f-f-A|temp2:

[ot] Humm... seems my IRC proxy is acting wonky – won't connect – says 'connection refused', yet I'm logged in with a seperate IRC client now directly to freenode... interesting...

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wagnerrp:

well 'reusable', sure.... but i lost the whole analogy at 'recyclable'

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J-e-f-f-A|temp2:

Dagmar: So, you can only use it the first time you open it? ;-)

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A|temp2: Nope

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!trout ZNC "what's wrong with you?"

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elprespufferfish:

ugh. i only get two broadcast channels :(

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wagnerrp:

why use a proxy, cant you just pull up an existing program over NX?

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J-e-f-f-A|temp2:

wagnerrp: I can, but that would require a seperate nic for the NX session- with a proxy, I can use the same nick in the NX session as well.

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wagnerrp:

i mean just leave an IRC client, and then redirect it to whatever machine youre currently using over NX

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wagnerrp:

leave it open

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wagnerrp:

or does NX not work that way

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wagnerrp:

thats what i was really using VNC for, not just remote X access

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J-e-f-f-A|temp2:

wagnerrp: Well, I've been using this for a while now (at least 6 months), and it's been bullet-proof until I came home today from a BBQ... DOH!

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: I think some people actually want to find an answer to a problem instead of just bandaiding by any means necessary. It may fix the problem, but it doesnt tell me what broke the problem besides "ITS BROKE."

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: the problem is it is /not/ "a problem"--it could be caused by any of hundreds of misconfigurations in there

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sphery:

feel free to find out what specific problem your data has, but that won't likely help anyone else (or even you the next time you have a problem)

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sphery:

In my cost-benefit decision tree, I've determined with such a quick fix, it's not worth spending time worrying about just how someone broke something

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elprespufferfish:

anybody have a problem with the spectrum visualizer in fullscreen?

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elprespufferfish:

all the bars are about the same size

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iamlindoro:

You just listen to very boring music

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elprespufferfish:

it looks fine in the little window :p

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qfx:

I wonder if I have voice

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Dagmar:

You don't look like a mega-corporation so no, you don't get a voice on the internet.

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qfx:

Shoot, I guess that rules out a say with my government too

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Dagmar:

I'm sure they were wondering when people would notice that

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qfx:

thanks though... so I can get on asking my question!

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Dagmar:

Excellent!

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qfx:

I subscribe for listings, and I suspect the listings are correct, but a while ago my cable co swapped a couple of channels and now 2 of my channels in my myth listings have "NO Data" and the wrong channel name

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qfx:

I've tried mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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Dagmar:

Drat. Iamlindoro knows

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qfx:

But unfortunately that's where my expertise fell off. I've tried some simple google searches and will continue if nobody here knows offhand

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qfx:

That's terrible news!

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qfx:

?

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Dagmar:

Well, I think he's idle right now

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Dagmar:

That's a _somewhat_ common issue.

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Dagmar:

It's *probably* documented in the wiki, but I missed it the last time I klooked

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Dagmar:

It's a bit annoying that --refresh-all would pretend to do it but doesn't

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qfx:

Thanks. I've done a cursory glance through the wiki too, but I'll keep looking in absense of iamlindoro.

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qfx:

you're right about --refresh-all it seemed like the right thing at the time

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Dagmar:

It's *possible* that --do-channel-updates followed by that might work

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qfx:

That sounds like it's just crazy enough to work!

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qfx:

I honestly ignored it for a few months because it was treehouse (kids TV) but now it turns out I have a need to record some

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qfx:

Unfortunately it didn't work. Thanks for the tip though! I appreciate the help

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Dagmar:

About the only thing I know of to do for sure is to nuke the database from within mythtv-setup but you probably dont' want to do that

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qfx:

It's a last resort. It's not an emergency so if iamlindoro comes back and can help that's great, otherwise I might just try that. I have a few schedules set up that I'd rather not lose though

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Dagmar:

Yeah I don't know what'll happen to those if you drop the channels from within mythtv-setup.

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qfx:

I found at least one post that suggested nuking the listing and re-adding it etc.

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sphery:

depending on what changed, that may work

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sphery:

or you can change the callsign and xmltvid on the affected channels

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sphery:

(and I meant, "that may be required," as opposed to "that may work"--it will always work, regardless of what changed)

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qfx:

where do I change the callsign?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID

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sphery:

in the mythtv-setup or MythWeb or mythfrontend (LiveTV) channel editor

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sphery:

but the xmltvid is probably the more important one

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sphery:

and if you do anything incorrectly, you'll break things to the point where you need to do what you saw ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 )

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sphery:

or you can just do that in the first place and know that it's right

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qfx:

I think I'll give the xmltvid a shot

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qfx:

I can see the old one on the other channel anyhow, but I'll double check with the schedulesdirect listing first

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** sphery wonders just how much time people waste when trying to do things "the easy way" just because "Delete all video sources" scares them **

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qfx:

It's a good question, but the mitigating factor is I'd have to set up my transcoding and schedules again right?

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Dagmar:

Their dish could disappear right off the outside of their hosue

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Dagmar:

s/hosue/house/;

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sphery:

qfx: nope, it won't affect any of your recording rules

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qfx:

sphery, in that case I'll just give that a shot

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sphery:

(with the small exception that if you used "this channel" rules, they might be affected, but they might not... and if you used this channel rules, the situation you're talking about (cable co moving channels around) means that they will /definitely/ be broken)

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sphery:

so if you do have "this channel" rules, you'll need to either delete and re-create them or "convert" them--change them to "any channel" rules (and leave it that way, since it's better, anyway, or if you really think you want "this channel" rules, then find a showing matched by that rule on the desired channel, then select it and change it back to a "this channel" rule)

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qfx:

OK, "all sources" deleted, new one added, running mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

what will drives show up as under linux

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wagnerrp:

always /dev/sd* and /dev/hd*?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: if the kernel is like less than a few years old... should always be sd*

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wagnerrp:

i thought /dev/hd* was for ATA drives

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Shadow__X:

i am pretty sure its just sd* now

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[R]:

the drivers that provided hd* nodes were deprecated a long time ago

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wagnerrp:

ah

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qfx:

sphery, Dagmar Thanks for your help guys. I did sphery's method and it didn't work, but not because of myth. Because of this note in schedules direct "Due to a rare software problem, if you think you're missing some stations, try to Re-Add your lineups "

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qfx:

so now I get to do it again ;)

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qfx:

Thanks guys, it's back to 100%ish

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sphery:

qfx: oh, so it sounds like an SD problem... Did you just delete and re-add the lineup at SD?

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sphery:

anyway, glad you got it fixed

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tmkt_:

22 in october or before october?

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iamlindoro:

by

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tmkt:

fabulous...no rush..... 21 rocks anyways

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mkrufky:

i was just googling and stumbled on somebody has "mythtv 0.21+fixes" build with vdpau support

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mkrufky:

am i reading something wrong? or is that actually possible?

[04:11:57]

tmkt:

windows does really suck

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mkrufky:

windows7 doesnt suck as much

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mkrufky:

but i have no idea why i just said that ... i love linux

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tmkt:

just so frustrated with xp right now

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: Becasue it took Vista to show you how bad things can get

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tmkt:

firefox 3.5 won't startup, flick uploader won't..ie wont without freezing

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tmkt:

going insane fighthing with this machine

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Dagmar:

Wipe it and reinstall.

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: vista *really* sucked

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tmkt:

work machine

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mkrufky:

w2k was their most stable OS

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tmkt:

and laid off from this job on sept 30th

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tmkt:

so 22 days of this computer left

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tmkt:

then new job..i'll take a mac

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Dagmar:

tmkt: Then call desktop support and say "FIX EET"

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mkrufky:

seriously, tho .... is this 0.21+fixes with VDPAU support for real? i am about to try it

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: W7 does a few jaw-droppingly stupid things, but largely Vista makes it look awesome

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sphery:

mkrufky: pretty sure that's the name given to one of the backports repos

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mkrufky:

ah, awesome ... i wish i knew about that before now

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tmkt:

just want to upload pictures to flickr without freezing

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mkrufky:

this will get me using my asrock ion330 with mythtv, finally

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tmkt:

might just go back to doing it with the perl script i built a while back

[04:15:39]

mkrufky:

i havent had any time to play with it yet

[04:18:14]

sphery:

tmkt: Vista? Might be an incorrect MTU. (I think Vista changed to never trusting what routers say and always "computing" the MTU, instead, and I've seen that problem with other sites due to those changes.)

[04:19:43]

Dagmar:

It's XP

[04:20:13]

Dagmar:

...and you'd be amazed at how well people manage to eff up workstations in offices where the clued employees aren't allowed to admin them themselves

[04:20:28]

Dagmar:

...and by "people" I mean "the windows admins"

[04:21:45]

Dagmar:

Here we're currently having a lovely time with Altiris agent, which insists on scanning the filesystem agressively as a hidden process for the first time the machine is booted each day.

[04:22:14]

Dagmar:

This takes about 20–30 minutes (no joke) in which time the 2Ghz machine with 1Gb of RAM runs like a 133Mhz 586

[04:23:25]

Dagmar:

I forcibly disable it, two weeks later they notice and put it back

[04:23:45]

Dagmar:

My *only* Windows adminning skills are typically considered to be "malicious tricks"

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BhaalWK:

Any aussies here wanting some iView action with the mythtv? I know I am, and hoping someone is working on it?!?

[04:31:46]

mkrufky:

sphery: remember my issue where i couldnt get audio over HDMI in linux when my receiver was inline under linux, but it works in windows?

[04:31:51]

mkrufky:

sphery: i just figured it out --

[04:32:11]

mkrufky:

the receiver was upscaling to 1080i .... and that prevented audio from working

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mkrufky:

i changed my linux resolution to 1920x1080i, and now audio works — imagine that

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sphery:

heh, never would have thought of changing the video characteristics to fix the audio

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mkrufky:

considering that it worked fine without the receiver inline, without changing the resolution..... i figured, *with* the receiver inline, it is upscaling my 720 to 1080i, and i cant even tell the difference by eye

[04:38:11]

mkrufky:

... perhaps that act of video upscaling prevents the audio from working

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mkrufky:

so now using native resolution, the audio works

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mkrufky:

i should have tried that from the start

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rhpot1991:

ok guys let me know if this makes any sense, I start viewing a recording and mythtv changes my alsa:master to a volume of 3 and mutes it, I have it set not to use internal controls

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squidly:

I cant remember for the life of me what I need to set so that select (Enter) will change channels in the program guilde

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[R]:

squidly: its in the settings -> program guide

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[R]:

squidly: i want to say "selectg immediatel" or something like that

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squidly:

[R]: I think so too. but that has not workied so far

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squidly:

let me double checked

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[R]:

i remember its named very obviously

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[R]:

and its defintely in that menu

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i forgot i had a frontend here

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squidly:

lol

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[R]:

"Use select to change the channel in the program guide"

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[R]:

page 2

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Ghost-r:

hello, I need some clarification about mythtv

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Ghost-r:

anyone there ?

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[R]:

Ghost-r: you need to ask a question before anyoen can say anything...

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Ghost-r:

am confused whether mythtv can simply be used as a TV application program for TV-tuner card through setup-box. I don't want to setup anything else something like tvtime

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[R]:

huh?

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purserj:

Ghost-r: you don't need to set any other application up to watch tv on mythtv

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squidly:

[R]: yea that must have been toggleed when I updated my myth-backedn somehow

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sphery:

if what you're asking is whether MythTV is a complete app, it is. Freevo is a PVR that integrates other apps rather than providing its own functionality.

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squidly:

ty

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sphery:

however, Myth isn't ideal for watching TV (as it airs), it's really meant for recording TV for later playback

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squidly:

even "live" tv is delayed by at least a few seconds

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mkrufky:

mythtv is *great* for watching 1 hour programs 18 minutes after they begin

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sphery:

18? if watching at 1.75x, you have to wait at least 36mins

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squidly:

mkrufky: you mean to comercial skipping and when you get home late?

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mkrufky:

exactly

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bluetyr:

Hmm, any other issues to watch for with HDMI?

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squidly:

bluetyr: ??

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squidly:

bluetyr: I have been running a hdmi system and have not had any issue with it at all

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bluetyr:

just noticed the audio issue and fix.

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mkrufky:

oh, that was *my* problem

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mkrufky:

and i think im the only person in the world with that problem

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bluetyr:

I'm very new to all of this and am hoping the HDMI interacts well

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mkrufky:

it was my receiver to blame

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mkrufky:

not the hardware, and not the software

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squidly:

bluetyr: like I said I use hdmi in my mythbuntu box and it works great

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mkrufky:

by receiver, i mean my JVC receiver with HDMI switch

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bluetyr:

tho a friend did mention that HDMI might have issues with propriatary stuff but he wasn't clear on it.

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squidly:

just had to do a bit of finagling with alsa to reactc the way I liked it

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squidly:

bluetyr: HDMI is a open standard

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mkrufky:

have a good night guys

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bluetyr:

ok, like I said... n00b here. the hdmi just caught my eye

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bluetyr:

g'night

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squidly:

later mkrufky-gone

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squidly:

bluetyr: lol np. I'm still a nood as well

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squidly:

my front end works very well with HDMI out to my tv

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bluetyr:

good to hear, I got a motherboard that has it built in just for that reason

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squidly:

it's part of the build in video card

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bluetyr:

yes

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Ghost-r:

sphery: I meant.. whether mythtv can be used as PVR like.... I plugin the cable tv -> scan channels and watch tv and for some recording ?

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squidly:

my frontend has a nvidia video card with an HDMI port, that is the only thing I have to connect to my tv.

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wagnerrp:

Ghost-r: yes, mythtv has a 'livetv' mode

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bluetyr:

ok, my onboard vidio should be more than adaquit

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squidly:

bluetyr: what type of onboard video card?

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Ghost-r:

so I dont have to use other application for doing the same like freevo or tvtime ? wagnerrp

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Ghost-r:

ohk

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will work just fine for watching, pausing, fast forwarding/reversing of livetv

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bluetyr:

I'd have to look it up.... let's see

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wagnerrp:

however understand the limitations that come with a PVR

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wagnerrp:

a PVR will necessarily add a several second lag to channel chaning

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wagnerrp:

changing

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wagnerrp:

because it needs to build up a buffer

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bluetyr:

ATI Radeon HD 3300 built-in 128MB DDR3 1333 SidePort Memory

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bluetyr:

Video Ports D-Sub + DVI

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bluetyr:

HDMI 1 x HDMI

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squidly:

bluetyr: ok I dont know how well ATI card work. I've had issue with them, and I prefer nvidia cards

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bluetyr:

this is onboard, if it doesn't go will I'll add a video card

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Ghost-r:

okay. while running mythtv-setup it says no 'cannot login to database' ?

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squidly:

Ghost-r: did you read the install howto?

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Ghost-r:

yes I have it open here... read

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wagnerrp:

namely... the point where it tells you to set up the database?

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Ghost-r:

wagnerrp: yes

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Ghost-r:

wagnerrp: am I doing something wrong ?

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i_is_cat:

irexec doesnt seem to want to run :S

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wagnerrp:

database isnt running? login permissions were never created for the database?

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And4713:

I also happen to have a database question, I have a mysql install on a seperate machine already so I decided to use that instead of making another one, it seems to populate with data fine but when I try to configure a frontend it claims it claims it cant connect to the backend even though it clearly connects to mysql

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And4713:

is there something I am overlooking here?

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squidly:

And4713: have you tried logging in to the database from the frontend from a commandline?

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And4713:

no but I know it is connecting properly, you can monitor that from the mysql admin utility

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And4713:

3 idling connections currently

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squidly:

And4713: it's must not me connecting properly... I would verify via CLI that it connects, and can see your mythconver database (or whatever you named it)

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squidly:

s/me/be

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And4713:

alright Ill try it anyway

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And4713:

and yeah I just used mythconverg to try and keep confusion down

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squidly:

And4713: same here.. just the community standard. Easy for documentation :D

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And4713:

Im unfamiliar with the mysql cli one min while I get the admin tools on the client

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squidly:

heh

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squidly:

And4713: mysql -u $mythtv_database_username -p $password -h $database_host

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And4713:

already got the utility

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And4713:

select * from `settings` works fine

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squidly:

hmm

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squidly:

from your frontend box>

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And4713:

yes

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squidly:

have you verified that database setting in your mythfrontend

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And4713:

the frontend is actually mythbuntu, the backend is this a regular ubuntu machine with the backend package installed

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squidly:

And4713: ann ok my system then :D

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And4713:

?

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squidly:

my backend is ubuntu with the backend packags

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squidly:

and I have a mythbuntu frontend

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And4713:

ok so at least someone has it working

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And4713:

you probably have mysql on the same machine as the backend though

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squidly:

I do now yea

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squidly:

but I will be moving that at some point

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And4713:

and if by verify you mean just starting the frontend and taking a look the settings are correct

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And4713:

also made sure to look in /etc/mythtv

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squidly:

and in ~/.mythtv/

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And4713:

its config.xml is correct and mysql.txt there is just a symlink to the other one

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And4713:

like I said its connecting to the database alright but it claims it cant contact the backend

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squidly:

firewall on the backend?

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And4713:

no

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squidly:

can you pastebin your logs

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And4713:

from which end

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squidly:

you frontend

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And4713:

I assume it keeps logs in the same location as the back

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squidly:

/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log yea

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And4713:

shit I think just looking at them has solved the problem here

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And4713:

heh I was too busy pouring over the backend logs

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squidly:

haha

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squidly:

what was the problem?

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And4713:

apparently using 0.0.0.0 isnt a valid way to bind to all addresses

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And4713:

because it tells the frontends to use that too

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squidly:

ahh

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And4713:

:facepalm:

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squidly:

I have not looked at that setting as of yet

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And4713:

hold on heh lets see how this does after a quick change

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And4713:

success :)

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squidly:

heh

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squidly:

:D

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And4713:

makes me a bit sheepish that was staring me almost in the face for a considerable time frame

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And4713:

hmm, I think I put in my TV info incorrect

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** squidly is almost wondeirng why I even watch tv any more **

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And4713:

ok with that now solved I inevitably have more questions

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squidly:

heh

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squidly:

fire away

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And4713:

2009-09–08 01:06:24.455 GetChannelData() failed because it could not

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And4713:

find channel number '3' in DB for source '1'.

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And4713:

2009-09–08 01:06:24.455 ChannelBase(1): IsTunable(Television,3) Failed to find channel in DB on input '1'

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And4713:

also at this time I dont have a guide provider but I assumed it could still just tune to channels

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And4713:

also a much simpler question is from what I am reading the plugins only have to be on frontends is that correct

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Dagmar:

Yes

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Dagmar:

...and yes Myth can tune channels without a provider but the scheduler becomes a pain without some data

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Dagmar:

Thankfully SD is very cheap

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Dagmar:

_very_ cheap

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And4713:

yeah I just wanted to get this side of things working before bothering with schedules

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Dagmar:

Well, you can make an SD trial account still I think

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And4713:

its a week if I remember correctly

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And4713:

but couldent I just go without until I was sure the card was properly configured

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Dagmar:

It's probably also the _simplest_ way of getting channel information for your cable provider without manually pecking it all in because unless your provider is digital there's not really any meaningful way to scan analog for actual channels

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Dagmar:

Which card?

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And4713:

this is a very generic ATI tuner

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** And4713 gets exact model **

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Yeah you're going to need to know specifics about that because ATI tuner cards are really hit-or-miss as to whether or not they're supported (i.e., have a driver at ALL)

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Dagmar:

Someone scrounged up a link for some system-pull Hauppage PVR-500 cards for $40 the other day

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And4713:

well this already works in linux itself so I dont have to worry about that

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Dagmar:

They don't have the "normal" ATX backplate on them, but it's not a big deal to yank that off if you don't mind a bit of a hole int he back of the case

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And4713:

it just uses V4L

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a framegrabber

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And4713:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Those are fairly unpleasant

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And4713:

Im doing this so cheaply at the moment

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And4713:

this is my desktop and the client is a virtual machine

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And4713:

and the tuner I have had for a long ass time

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And4713:

Model: CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder, Vendor: Conexant Systems, Inc. (ATI Technologies Inc), Connection: PCI (Peripheral Component Interconnect)

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And4713:

also it shows up properly in the backend setup Im just not sure if I configured it quite right

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Dagmar:

"shows up" doesn't mean much

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Dagmar:

Myth does NOT attempt to detect anything in mythtv-setup, but it will carp slightly if things are completely out of whack

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And4713:

ATI TV Wonder Pro is what they actually call it by the way

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Dagmar:

I'll suggest that for testing whether or not it works you use something GREATLY less complex, like TVTime (which is generally badass for "just" watching TV)

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And4713:

like I said already works in that

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Dagmar:

Oh then you're golden

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And4713:

yeah it just doesnt seem to like its config

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And4713:

ok how do I define channels, when I use the setup it doesnt add them to the listy

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And4713:

list*

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Dagmar:

Generally people just tell it to grab the lineup from SD

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Dagmar:

This is where the trial account thing is very handy because if nothing else you can make that step go by quikcly

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And4713:

well it has a channel scanner which seems to work properly, then discard the results

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And4713:

discards*

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And4713:

\o/

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juski:

if you're going to be using SD you don't need to worry about scanning analogue channels

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flexy:

Hi, I

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iamlindoro:

juski, http://www.fecitfacta.com/winner.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/itemdetail.png

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juski:

none of this looks like themes for mythtv :-D

[07:07:31]

flexy:

I just installed new svn version, and installing themes failed, cause my /bin/sh is symlink to /bin/dash

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wagnerrp:

almost makes you wonder where she found that outfit on a deserted island...

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flexy:

changing that to /bin/bash fixed the install error

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iamlindoro:

juski, That's what I hope to have people say ;)

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flexy:

should this be reported to ticket system?

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juski:

iamlindoro: looks awesome. I'm not sure I'd have centered some of those text areas though

[07:08:58]

Dagmar:

You need to add two words to the description on Tomb Raider

[07:09:06]

Dagmar:

", and boobies."

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iamlindoro:

juski, meh, I think I like it that way... for no other reason than it "feels" right to me

[07:10:24]

juski:

needs a preference setting :P

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iamlindoro:

E_TOOMANYSETTINGS

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juski:

E_TOOMANYSETTINGS -> segfault

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iamlindoro:

gotta break the mold

[07:11:20]

iamlindoro:

and throw away that POS Graphite

[07:11:26]

juski:

lol

[07:11:58]

juski:

I don't mean to worry you, but you're starting to sound like a younger me. Without quite so much angst ;-)

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** iamlindoro gets angry and deletes his entire hard drive ;) **

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Dagmar:

So like, are the UI features for that in trunk something one could refer to as "stable" now?

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juski:

POS indeed. FFS you can smell the effort that went into that theme

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Dagmar:

...and to be explicit, I mean "are they likely to change much"

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iamlindoro:

The basics are there, with much eye candy still on the way. So stable, but very far from complete

[07:12:57]

Dagmar:

I could care less whether or not they make the whole thing blow up, that I can deal with

[07:13:04]

juski:

just the one, you said. I distinctly remember you saying that

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Dagmar:

Right. Excellent.

[07:13:16]

Dagmar:

I can pull that LCARS stuff back out of mothballs then

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iamlindoro:

juski, "Just the one..." (right now)

[07:13:38]

juski:

like, oh I'll just try heroin now. I'll be able to kick it. I'm sure I will

[07:13:39]

wagnerrp:

is that plot box a current issue with mythui? or just a function of the theme being half a week old?

[07:13:55]

juski:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

We have no multiline text edit (though there will be one by .22)

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Dagmar:

I think he's talking about the text very much *not* flowing properly

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wagnerrp:

the edit box for the plot... not multiline

[07:14:13]

wagnerrp:

right

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juski:

ah

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iamlindoro:

so for the moment it's "faked"... I themed the widget and it should just need whatever single line modification for multiline edit is necessary

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juski:

there definitely needs to be a blur going on, that's fer shir

[07:15:15]

iamlindoro:

would be nice

[07:15:34]

juski:

I still wanna do it, if only to piss all over XBMC's parade

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juski:

oops. did I type that? heh

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iamlindoro:

I have no intention of letting this out from under wraps until .23, if only to be able to cram in every bit of eye candy we get between now and then

[07:16:23]

iamlindoro:

Oh, and people can damn well pay for the fonts, too

[07:16:28]

juski:

might be better with some kind of burn effect actually

[07:16:30]

juski:

what fonts?

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iamlindoro:

Frutiger, Bell Gothic, Arial ATM

[07:18:00]

wagnerrp:

oof.... hdparm does not like to run as non-root

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Dagmar:

Gosh I wonder why

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juski:

I quite like gothic fonts. Had my last run with Century Gothic a while back. Crispy

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wagnerrp:

i gave my user read-only access to the disk node

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Dagmar:

yeah but that's not the layer hdparm is working at

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Dagmar:

...and particularly, it can do things that will RUIN the drive

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Dagmar:

You don't want joe user having that ever

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wagnerrp:

any other way to access the serial number?

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Dagmar:

I don't think so

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Dagmar:

You can generally snag the model number from dmesg, but the serial number pull is a bare AT call afaik

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iamlindoro:

smartctl -a

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iamlindoro:

IIRC

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wagnerrp:

is that from smartmontools?

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Dagmar:

Yep that'll do it

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Dagmar:

Yes

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juski:

yup

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iamlindoro:

er -A

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Dagmar:

It, also has the ability to wreck your drive forever

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iamlindoro:

sudo smartctl --all /dev/sda|grep Serial

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iamlindoro:

Serial Number: WD-WCASJ2063574

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iamlindoro:

Thar we go

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wagnerrp:

thats a rediculous amount of data...

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juski:

I'll trust your judgement on using 3 fonts iamlindoro ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski, Trying to use all the enemies tricks agin' 'em

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wagnerrp:

here we go... '-i' is a bit more reasonable

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iamlindoro:

Native 1080p resolution? Check. Proprietary Fonts? Check. Loads upon loads of fancy metadata? Check.

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juski:

it's true that most OSS fonts suck arse through a badly mashed straw

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Dagmar:

awk for the win

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Dagmar:

awk '/^Serial Number:/ { print $3} '

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juski:

most == 99%

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Dagmar:

as in smartctl -a /dev/blah | awk '/^Serial Number:/ { print $3}'

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iamlindoro:

On the "hopeful" list for .23 are animation, video previews of each item, and maybe an OSD

[07:24:53]

iamlindoro:

though at least one of those should be a "definite"

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, free fonts suck

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juski:

for the amount of time it takes them to *draw* the damn things you'd think they'd take a little time to tweak the kerning

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iamlindoro:

I have *never* seen a decent OSS sans serif font

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Dagmar:

juski: When was the last time you tried to make a TTF with what's out there

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iamlindoro:

and don't say Bitstream Vera ;)

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juski:

blaming font engines only gets you so far.

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Dagmar:

Even the "professional" fonts are fairly crap once you start looking at them closely

[07:26:32]

juski:

I mean – if the font rendering was bollocks, ALL fonts would make text look like shite

[07:26:50]

juski:

but the funny thing is, not *all* fonts do look like arse in linux ;)

[07:26:53]

Dagmar:

I'm talking about the things one uses to make the TTF font itself

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iamlindoro:

There's a reason everyone and their dog steals Frutiger over at our four-lettered-friends

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Dagmar:

Fontographer is pretty painful, and just about "ancient"

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iamlindoro:

it's 60 years old and it rules

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juski:

I'm always surprised when I find out how long fonts I like have been around

[07:27:45]

Dagmar:

Well, they used to just be called "calligraphy"

[07:27:54]

Dagmar:

Of course that would be c9y now

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juski:

<3 the font the BBC uses. Can't remember what it's called though

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Dagmar:

I wonder if their subtitling font is still copyrighted

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juski:

Ah Gill Sans

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Dagmar:

I used to do calligraphy when I was like 7–9

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And4713:

ok I got the channels from SD but when Im configuring connect source to input it still asks me to add channels to the source

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Dagmar:

Good luck finding decent nibs without mail order (or a handy bird) now

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juski:

yeah you need the 'grab channels from listings provider' button

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And4713:

I did

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Dagmar:

How, specifically, is it asking you this

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And4713:

in the starting channel box

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juski:

iamlindoro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_%28typeface%29 is another of my favourites

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

Are we SURE the mysql database was created correctly?

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Dagmar:

It should only really bother you about setting a starting channel

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juski:

Oh it's not got any foreign characters. hey ho. I see that as a plus!

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Dagmar:

Normally you literally just walk down the list of menu screens

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And4713:

using the filldatabase shit yes

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Dagmar:

what?

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Dagmar:

Mythfilldatabase doesn't come into play until after you're done inside mythtv-setup

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And4713:

well it created all the tables

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juski:

maybe we should just put all the mythtv-setup menu options in a random *ucking order. We might as ****ing well

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Dagmar:

And4713: Okay so use the magic button in mythtv-setup that just nukes all channels and sources

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juski:

sod it. just randomise all the settings. then all people need to do is run mythtv-setup enough times to hit a working config :P

[07:39:46]

Dagmar:

You got something out of sequence in there and I don't know what

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juski:

then when people fail to set anything up properly just tell em they don't have enough atrophy

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Dagmar:

SKIP anything that talks about scanning for channels.

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And4713:

juski, the only reason its been run before is I have been through the setup IN ORDER about 5 times

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And4713:

so fuck you

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Dagmar:

That's the one page you don't need, and I think the last page (5?) that shows you the list of channels is also something you won't need to go through

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juski:

charming

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** And4713 nukes database and creates fresh **

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Dagmar:

On the same page where you entered your schedule provider info there's a button

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Dagmar:

You'll need to hit that

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Dagmar:

Many people miss it, and I suspect maybe that's why it was carping at you about channels

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And4713:

Dagmar, I mean REALLY fresh

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Dagmar:

And4713: Dude I've gone through that so many times here I finally scripted everything that happens before running mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

...mainly because I'm rather finicky about the way things work

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juski:

what he NEEDS is to read a bloody howto guide. none of this is rocket science. Just stabbing buttons without RTFMing gets people nowhere but pain avenue

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Dagmar:

juski: That being more or less correct, but... lots of people still miss the button that makes it actually populate the listings data with channels

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And4713:

I already told you the butten to fetch didnt do jack

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Dagmar:

It *should* have

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Dagmar:

If it didn't, then that's something we drill down on and hopefully find out why, then fix that and move on

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And4713:

I wouldent be asking about it if it had

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And4713:

which is why Im nuking the database, to make sure theres no contamination from any of the previous times

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And4713:

this will be the 3rd one

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Dagmar:

The button that flushes old tuner/channel/sources data is supposed to work fine

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Dagmar:

Granted it only takes like 12 seconds to rebuild the empty database and import the sql stuff, but you should be able to skip that

[07:46:21]

Dagmar:

So do you know how to capture what goes to stdout/stderr into a file?

[07:46:32]

Dagmar:

If not, I can tell you

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juski:

I'd kind of assume any schedulesdirect related howto guide for mythtv would mention the 'grab channels from listings provider' button. if not, BAD howto guide. I know it's easy to miss – anything can be if you don't frigging *know* about it

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure most of what mythtv-setup does when you mash the button to get channel and listings data gets chattered to stdout/stderr where you won't see it because you're looking at the X screen

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And4713:

juski, for the last time I didnt miss it, quit being an nonconstructive troll

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Dagmar:

relax

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Dagmar:

You'd be a bit more sympathetic if you actually saw how many people come through here each week who literally just booted their mythbuntu CD and expected everything to magically work

[07:48:46]

Dagmar:

It's crazy

[07:48:49]

And4713:

yeah well

[07:48:59]

Dagmar:

You learn very quickly just what the literacy level is of the average person who watches a lot of TV

[07:49:09]

Dagmar:

It'll make you despair for the future of humanity

[07:49:20]

Dagmar:

...but seriously, look up there at what I said about stderr/stdout

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Dagmar:

No joke, this is likely to reveal the answer in a jiffy

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And4713:

Im a little annoyed at his attitude considering just how much of the manual and other manuals I actually have been sifting through all night

[07:50:11]

And4713:

but yes no doubt people imagine a magical box

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Dagmar:

And4713: Yes, it's a given that there's a lot of hald-assed versions people read and that confuses things terribly

[07:50:29]

Dagmar:

But... it used to be worse

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And4713:

most of it is the wiki and the sites own documentation

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Dagmar:

I've dealt with Unixen for well over a decade and the thing gave me fits at first with 0.21

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Dagmar:

er 0.20

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Dagmar:

There was NO anything explaining exactly how it was supposed to work, just mainly some broad descriptions of commands and setting up the database

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And4713:

Ive hardly dealt with *nix for anywhere near that long but constant reading will get you everywhere

[07:51:43]

Dagmar:

I had to write http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview after I figured it out

[07:52:06]

Dagmar:

Well, in this case there's lots and lots of "not so thorough" "guides" I'd like to burn, personally

[07:52:56]

Dagmar:

but check what's being shot out to stderr/stdout when you hit the button that should make mythtv-setup go get the list of channels from SD

[07:53:13]

Dagmar:

If nothing else we might get lucky and see some SQL errors coming back

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And4713:

right now Im trying to get back that sql file

[07:53:32]

Dagmar:

There's one common symptom to the two problems you've been describing

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And4713:

which is now absent from all the terminals I have open

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Dagmar:

Wait, _what_ sql file?

[07:54:13]

And4713:

Im going to start quoting now to calm people

[07:54:16]

And4713:

"Setting up the initial database

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And4713:

This step is only required on the system maintaining the database, which may or may not be one of your MythTV boxes. If the database is on a non-MythTV machine you'll need to copy the database/mc.sql file to it."

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Dagmar:

mc.sql should be easy to find

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And4713:

it is nowhere to be found

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Dagmar:

It's rather likely to have wound up in /usr/share/mythtv/

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Dagmar:

It'll take awhile, but `find /usr -name mc.sql` will _probably_ turn it up

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And4713:

yeah that was the indicated location from the page I quoted

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Dagmar:

It's definitely in the mythtv source package if nothing else

[07:56:03]

And4713:

well fuck it Ill grab that instead

[07:56:05]

Dagmar:

It's /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql here, but lemme make sure that's not _my_ doing

[07:56:23]

Dagmar:

I *THINK* it gets installed by the Makefile

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And4713:

yeah Im not using that

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Dagmar:

Nah, that's my doing.

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And4713:

ubuntus repo is the same version for stable

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Dagmar:

Get it from the source package and just chuck it there for future refernce

[07:57:08]

And4713:

I can just leave it actually

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Dagmar:

Oh, I'm pretty sure they ship it out int hat package but I've not looked

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And4713:

since the database is another machine

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Dagmar:

No telling where they stash it

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And4713:

I can keep it over there

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Dagmar:

Fair enough

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Dagmar:

Anyway, between those two failure states you described the common element was that it doesn't appear to be writing channels to the database

[07:58:10]

Dagmar:

That's a damn weird thing to go wrong tho

[07:58:16]

Dagmar:

...so yes you have a unique problem

[07:58:43]

Dagmar:

If the mysqld wasn't working I'd assume something else would SURELY have complained before that point

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And4713:

well we will see if it still happens once I get this sql file loaded again

[07:58:55]

Dagmar:

That it's unable to write to one particular table is bizarre

[07:59:04]

And4713:

and no its working because I use it for other things and they are all fine

[07:59:25]

Dagmar:

Look carefully at what you're getting from the ubuntu repo

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Dagmar:

They like to repackage things from 0.21-fixes and call them 0.22 and stuff like that

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laga_:

do we?

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laga_:

:)

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And4713:

actually a couple of them just say + fixes and then whatever the id of their fixes was

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Dagmar:

Being that the sql file seems to contain about five lines utterly unrelated to anything useful to this problem, I doubt getting the specifically right version of it from the source pakcage much matters

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laga_:

Dagmar: if you see problems with the ubuntu packages, then go ahead and tell me or superm1 so we can look into getting it fixed

[08:01:16]

Dagmar:

laga_: I'm including historical issues in this, as well as how little I really expect someone's not using a repo from god only knows where

[08:01:32]

Dagmar:

Not really holding anything against you

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Dagmar:

I just don't know which version that's out there he might have gotten, and I'm not really assuming anything with such a weird failure

[08:02:27]

Dagmar:

People come in here all the time not having actually known to link sources to tuners, but never does the thing up and refuse to keep channels

[08:02:36]

laga_:

heh

[08:02:45]

Dagmar:

So like, you know something weird is going on

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And4713:

you are probably right about it being with the DB

[08:03:03]

Dagmar:

He was on earlier trying to manually add channels and they wouldn't stay

[08:03:03]

And4713:

the question is what

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laga_:

the 0.21 packages in jaunty should be good. karmic has trunk, so there can be some rough edges.

[08:03:17]

And4713:

because the permissions are already fine

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Dagmar:

And4713: The what is likely to be causing a visible error somewhere

[08:04:10]

juski:

somebody please shoot the guy who makes up the names

[08:04:29]

Dagmar:

juski: No we just need to get them really drunk and convince them of soem more interesting ones

[08:04:45]

Dagmar:

Priapist Penguin, for instance

[08:04:51]

juski:

no, just shoot them dead

[08:05:12]

Dagmar:

I think if they did a release named that, someone else would probably handle that detail

[08:05:41]

Dagmar:

You shoot them, you screw with your karma

[08:05:50]

juski:

like blimmin tux the penguin. sets linux apart as being only for weirdos

[08:06:06]

Dagmar:

Well, now we've got a tasmanian devil with a strap-on beak

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Dagmar:

Happy?

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juski:

here's what a cartoon penguin would look like. If it'd ever had a stroke

[08:06:33]

Dagmar:

Have you seen the tasmanian devil yet?

[08:06:44]

juski:

yeah. I thought the strap on beak was funny

[08:06:59]

Dagmar:

I thought it was a mole at first

[08:07:07]

Dagmar:

Where are the teeth and the whilrling vortex?

[08:07:19]

juski:

funnier still if it there was a flipper just peeking out of its bloodstained mouth

[08:07:29]

Dagmar:

What we need is a pygmy jerboa

[08:07:35]

Dagmar:

That'll get the chicks interested at least

[08:08:08]

Dagmar:

'cuz you know, clearly being able to use Linux is a recessive

[08:09:30]

juski:

not having stinky BO can attract chicks too. So can wearing clean clothes

[08:09:43]

Dagmar:

I've got all that covered

[08:09:47]

juski:

never gonna go to a linux expo in summertime again

[08:09:51]

Dagmar:

hahah

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And4713:

Dagmar, I found out why the file was not present, its only included in a package that tries to set up the database itself on the same machine

[08:11:40]

Dagmar:

Okay

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And4713:

luckily you can just install the package and then skip the config to get the sql definition anyway

[08:12:03]

Dagmar:

I've got custom packages that just eliminate that

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And4713:

thank god it doesnt depend on frigging mysql server as well

[08:12:14]

Dagmar:

Rather tempted to write them up in the wiki

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And4713:

oh what the shit all this file does is pretty much what I had done manually

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And4713:

the only difference is the default character set

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And4713:

which I will take into account this time

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Dagmar:

That's one of the things not covered properly in half the docs out there, too

[08:14:29]

Dagmar:

...because it semi-recently changed

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And4713:

does it actually depend on it being latin1

[08:15:15]

And4713:

default character set on my server is utf8

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Dagmar:

I've no idea, but I do know a lot of people break it hideously when they mess up converting it later

[08:16:43]

Dagmar:

I'd let it do whatever it wants for those tables

[08:17:11]

And4713:

well the question is does it specify when it creates each table, or leave that up to the schema setting

[08:17:19]

Dagmar:

It does set them explicitly to latin1, so if you hit code that assumes that and it's not... bang

[08:17:31]

Dagmar:

Look at the mc.sql file

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And4713:

this is what I am referring to

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Dagmar:

The last line: ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;

[08:17:45]

And4713:

ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;

[08:18:18]

And4713:

heh the rest are all built for a localhost server

[08:18:20]

And4713:

which isnt the case

[08:18:44]

Dagmar:

Mainly because no one wants to write docs that explain mysql's screwed up idea of wildcards

[08:19:38]

juski:

you don't need to know how an internal combustion engine works to drive a car

[08:19:39]

And4713:

the rest of the lines have pretty much been taken care of thats just granting privs and actual creation

[08:20:14]

Dagmar:

juski: Yeah but when you have to tell mysql to allow access from more than just localhost...

[08:20:27]

And4713:

you actually dont on windows

[08:20:44]

juski:

you can just blindly copy what it said in the doc ;-)

[08:20:49]

scan_away is now known as scan

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Dagmar:

If you're expecting this to work with MSSQL you will be disappointed

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And4713:

for the root account its localhost only, and for subsequent accounts its any host unless otherwise defined

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scan is now known as scan_away

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Dagmar:

It IS a requirement that the SQL server you use not be retarded.

[08:21:02]

And4713:

Dagmar, mysql on windows man

[08:21:07]

And4713:

come on

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juski:

not even mediaportal are using MS SQL server anymore

[08:21:39]

And4713:

because the mysql tools dont blow

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Dagmar:

As nice an idea as it might be that SQL be the same everywhere, in practice it's a myth

[08:22:06]

juski:

hey, we've not had anybody whining about having to use a database for a while :)

[08:22:30]

juski:

must be something about certain distros making the db setup stage more transparent ;)

[08:22:54]

And4713:

the other nice thing about mysql is almost everything can use it

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And4713:

since its popular people just seem to include it alot

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And4713:

ok they are defaulting to latin1 so I can rule that out this time around

[08:26:11]

Dagmar:

Seriously tho, just try and cause the problem to happen and then look for an error message

[08:26:35]

And4713:

yeah starting the setup again now

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And4713:

see on the account info screen it sees everything fine

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And4713:

logs on, sees which lineup I have etc

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Dagmar:

Yes, but the moment you tell it to pull the list of channels with that extra button on that screen, the database SHOULD be immediately populated with what channels you have

[08:34:02]

Dagmar:

If it's not, we need to find out why it didn't

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And4713:

lets see if it behaves this time

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And4713:

Im on source to input now

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And4713:

ohhhhh look at that

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And4713:

this doesnt happen to log to anywhere does it, I checked the usual places and it was absent

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Dagmar:

This is why I said to check stderr/stdout from mythtv-setup

[08:36:32]

Dagmar:

The backend should NOT be running yet

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Dagmar:

Figure I should mention that

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And4713:

I am but there was alot of shit and so some of it has scrolled past

[08:36:47]

And4713:

I wanted to see more

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Dagmar:

This is why I said stick it in a log file

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And4713:

oh it scrolls up nvm

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Dagmar:

run it like `mythtv-setup | tee logfile.txt 2>&1` IIRC

[08:38:08]

Dagmar:

Alternatively, mythtv-setup >logfile.txt 2>&1 & tail -f logfile.txt

[08:38:12]

Dagmar:

Something like that

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And4713:

it is throwing query errors though

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And4713:

so you hit that right on

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Dagmar:

Decades of fixing broken unix stuff

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And4713:

I dont get it, it mentions the channel table but its sitting right here

[08:41:18]

mzb:

does the mythui code now allow for OSD while in the menu system?

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Dagmar:

And4713: Dunno if it matters much but I'm using mysql-5.0.51 here still

[08:43:32]

And4713:

5.0.67

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juski:

nope

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Dagmar:

Shouldn't be a problem there then

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juski:

mythtvosd still isn't ported to mythui

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juski:

don't think that's a very high priority either :)

[08:46:50]

And4713:

also /msg incoming

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mzb:

k, thanks juski

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mzb:

shame, sounds like a nice feature to me ;)

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Dagmar:

I've got no idea about that but I can Google it

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Dagmar:

This is where it would be more useful if you used pastebin.com or something

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And4713:

if you want the whole thing I re cleared the database in the background

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Dagmar:

Did you set up your mysqld in "strict" mode?

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Dagmar:

Feed: mythtv Field 'last_record' doesn't have a default value

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Dagmar:

into Google

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Dagmar:

The first is a drupal discussion where people are having almost the same mysql error

[08:51:12]

Dagmar:

The last one is a mysql bug report from this same type of error

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Dagmar:

In both cases, setting strict mode (however the hell that works) was causing mysql to carp about no default being provided for a text field where otherwise it would happily accept NULL

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And4713:

it is a mostly default install apart from memory size tweaks to accommodate a small machine

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Dagmar:

See what select @@sql_mode says

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Dagmar:

See specifically http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=14306

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Dagmar:

I thikn that's pretty much it

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And4713:

thats that later result right

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Dagmar:

Yep

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** And4713 tabs over **

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Dagmar:

I checked that here, @@sql_mode returns nothing

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Dagmar:

If you see STRICT_TRANS_TABLES show up, we have a winnar

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And4713:

here it says theres a syntax error

[08:54:07]

Dagmar:

What?

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And4713:

oh if you wanted that I can just check the server config

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Dagmar:

sending select @@sql_mode; as an sql command should not result in an error

[08:54:42]

Dagmar:

Oh

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And4713:

whoops forgot the select, no matter anyway it is on the config

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Dagmar:

One of the clues in the drupal page is that someone has had this happen running it all on win32

[08:56:03]

Dagmar:

...as a 'default' install

[08:56:07]

Dagmar:

So it may well be compiled in

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And4713:

I wonder why it hasent effected anything else

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And4713:

I have been running shit off it for more then a year now

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Dagmar:

Because everything else probably used slightly more correct SQL

[08:57:05]

Dagmar:

There's a chance that's an actual bug you've found

[08:57:11]

Dagmar:

...in mythtv

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And4713:

isnt it also just as much a bug in mysql

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Dagmar:

Being that I don't know the rules for database creation to that degree, I have no idea

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** And4713 reads into the comments **

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And4713:

thats interesting

[09:01:03]

And4713:

if it IS a bug in mythtv they could take an easy way and set non strict mode on a per session basis

[09:01:06]

And4713:

its apparently allowed

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And4713:

"Any client can change its own session sql_mode value at any time. "

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And4713:

the apt package also includes another sql file with far more specific table definitions which I am now going to try

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And4713:

Dagmar, Im curious what is your server set to

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laga_:

And4713: that sql file is just additional settings. ubuntu-specific.

[09:42:04]

And4713:

well shit its in there now on a windows mysql install

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And4713:

but the problem was indeed fixed by disabling strict

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And4713:

so

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mzb:

running trunk rev 21604 I notice issues with lirc custom keys

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mzb:

eg: a button setup as F10 (or F20 ... whatever) doesn't work

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mzb:

but if I set it to CTRL+F10 in lircrc it does work _except_ that mythfrontend thinks it's CTRL+CTRL+F10

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mzb:

seems like a small error in logic there somewhere ;)

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And4713:

oh jesus no wonder it was so slow, mysql was flushing the log cache to disk at every commit

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juski:

ffs there's yet another mythtv forum

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juski:

http://thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=18

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Gav8in:

does anyone have any experience of what CPU use is like for streaming in a backend?

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lyricnz:

pretty low, depending on your IO system

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Gav8in:

aye. could be lower; the implementatin does extraneous memory to memory copies

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lyricnz:

maybe 5% on my athlon 3800+

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Gav8in:

okie. so it's not bad.

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lyricnz:

probably less actually, looking at sar, it was 97–98% idle all day, while wife was watching stuff

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Gav8in:

separate frontends/backends in your system?

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lyricnz:

obviously HD will be more, maybe 2–3 times

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lyricnz:

yeah

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Gav8in:

then it's not a big deal. i was just caught surprised when i saw the extraneous copy implementation

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Gav8in:

(which implementation is more portable)

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lyricnz:

My frontend uses about 15% CPU for 1080p output, on SD content

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Gav8in:

that's quite comfortable headroom

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paperclip:

is there a way to see what type of broadcast I'm getting.. 1080i, 720p, 480i?

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juski:

ffmpeg -i $file

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juski:

heh. has anybody ever considered getting one of these?

[13:56:33]

juski:

<no link or anything provided> LOL

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AndyCap:

O_o

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juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/396353

[13:58:56]

juski:

don't buy it, whatever it actually is!

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AndyCap:

I have several and I'm very happy with them, especially that it got rid of my ex-wife.

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AndyCap:

:P

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juski:

what is it – a murderer?

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AndyCap:

Reiser in a box?

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paperclip:

heh

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paperclip:

i do believe `file $file` would work better than ffmpeg

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paperclip:

nope

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paperclip:

doesn't even recognize them as videos..

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iamlindoro:

juski, Heh, just listened to 10 minutes or so of their ".22 preview" podcast-- worst part about it is you can't reach through their microphone and stab them in the face for being sooooo inaccurate

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juski:

I tried listening to another of their podcasts once. No further comment

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iamlindoro:

juski, gems so far: The new interface is thanks to Qt4, the HD-PVR is "the PVR-1212", an implication that the new UI is hardcoded to horizontal menus, that we're "providing support for a whole slew of new capture cards," etc... and that's in the first ten minutes... and they appear to go on for aN HOUR

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juski:

infact, calling them podcasts is giving podcasts a bad name

[14:17:32]

Gav8in:

would a patch to make streaming media through sockets zero copy be well received?

[14:17:34]

juski:

iamlindoro: only one way to redress the balance. Offset their complete load of utter cock with the FACTS

[14:18:23]

juski:

hey I have a voice & production facilities, I could make a 'cast. And my voice apparently doesn't make people want to kill themselves :D

[14:18:55]

iamlindoro:

heh

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juski:

reminds me, I never did get round to doing that mythtv promo video

[14:19:22]

juski:

hahahaha

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iamlindoro:

get us some blur/animation/etc. and we can make a fancy one for .23 :)

[14:20:05]

juski:

so do they get anything right at all?

[14:20:19]

iamlindoro:

I don't know... right now they're talking about our new "ftp server" ????

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juski:

wtf?

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juski:

found out how Bub's BBQ went last week? and how his mother in-law's leg doing?

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iamlindoro:

Ys, they spent 10 minutes talking about their cars and air conditioning

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clever:

iamlindoro: ftp should die

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paperclip:

where is the "podcast"?

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, they who?

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iamlindoro:

juski, Waiting for them to get to MythVideo so I can get properly horrified

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juski:

http://thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=18

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juski:

its linked from there

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iamlindoro:

http://thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f . . . cd45e31fea80

[14:22:17]

j-rod:

that was going to be my guess

[14:22:25]

iamlindoro:

also, and I know this is personal, I hate when people say acronyms differently than I do :)

[14:22:36]

iamlindoro:

Vee-dee-pee-ay-you

[14:22:47]

iamlindoro:

It's WRONG because it's not how I say it!

[14:22:56]

juski:

it's great people trying to spread the word & all, but they could at least take the trouble to get facts right

[14:23:13]

wombo_:

PD- POW

[14:23:17]

wombo_:

VD- POW

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iamlindoro:

(I say VDPAU = Vee-dee-pow! and .22 = Two-two)

[14:23:37]

iamlindoro:

and not *shudder* twenty-two

[14:23:38]

juski:

too too is the noise made by a 'la-zer'

[14:23:56]

juski:

VDPAU is a la-zer ricochet

[14:24:18]

j-rod:

by a shark with a friggin' lazer.

[14:24:35]

iamlindoro:

talking about sphery's DB backup script, and they appear to actually be accurate..

[14:24:39]

wombo_:

Why am I currently listening to my 4 or 5 Wombles song in a row?

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juski:

wombo_: because you're going to commit suicide?

[14:25:01]

wombo_:

lol

[14:25:10]

juski:

everybody gonna commit suicide listens to Mike Batt non-stop first

[14:25:15]

** j-rod needs a LOT more coffee this morning for some reason... **

[14:25:28]

wombo_:

The Wombles – Wombling Merry christmas

[14:26:18]

juski:

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[14:26:32]

juski:

they're worse than Slade & that's saying something

[14:27:32]

iamlindoro:

okay, 27:00, Mythvideo...

[14:29:08]

iamlindoro:

Heh, less than a minute, with the only point being "the IMDB script has been improved a lot"

[14:29:24]

iamlindoro:

... Well, job well done, then

[14:30:23]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux will be happy to hear that they've spent the last two minutes talking about mirobridge, though :)

[14:30:50]

RDV_Linux:

What?

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iamlindoro:

The "mythtv podcast..." if you can get around 90% of the information being inaccurate, they talk about mirobridge ;)

[14:31:38]

iamlindoro:

(in their ".22 preview")

[14:32:36]

iamlindoro:

oh, here's another good one... QAM = "CAM"

[14:32:42]

iamlindoro:

ummmm no

[14:33:07]

RDV_Linux:

After the commentary I read here I was going to skip it now I just have to hear it, (digging in the log for the URL) I am surprised so far I thought there was like 5 users at best.

[14:33:15]

iamlindoro:

28:00 or so

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I think it's most of our first (and last) time listening

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** j-rod still has setting up mirobridge on his todo list... but its a long list... **

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j-rod:

(and I didn't get squat done this weekend that I'd hoped to get done)

[14:34:43]

j-rod:

I don't know why I ever think I'll get anything done on the weekend.

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RDV_Linux:

Thanks for the time as I did not want to here the crap you guys were referring to.

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: You mean you didn't learn that the first 5 years you had kids & a house? ;-)

[14:36:18]

j-rod:

apparently not

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[14:36:27]

j-rod:

I'm a slow learner

[14:37:29]

j-rod:

however, I did manage to get out and play some golf and do some bbq'ing over a wood fire this weekend, so not a total loss

[14:37:35]

iamlindoro:

j-rod, You are given credit for HD-PVR IR at 50:20 ;)

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j-rod:

yay? :)

[14:38:41]

j-rod:

janneg did 99% of the work, I just handled the last mile

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janneg:

there was also a sagetv user who submitted diffs for ir/i2c

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j-rod:

that too

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** J-e-f-f-A is impressed that someone from sagetv submitted something to help MythTV... **

[14:47:56]

j-rod:

they didn't per se

[14:48:02]

Gav8in:

anyone have a second to answer a dumb questin about network IO?

[14:48:16]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I just listened to the Miro Bridge part and they obviously have never used the utility. They say that audio podcasts are likely supported, but even the wiki page mentions that audio podcasts are not supported.

[14:48:34]

Gav8in:

should I bother writing a patch to make myth's network io zero copy, if the result is a log if #ifdef linux?

[14:48:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

oh, just a 'user'... Oh well... it would have been nice if it was collaboration from a developer...

[14:49:08]

Gav8in:

i suspect it'd cut backend cpu use for streaming video by some largish amount; although anecdotally i hear that's not serious

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: it was to make IR work for sagetv's purposes, the existence of mythtv was irrelevant. it *did* help mythtv, but not intentionally so. :)

[14:50:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gav8in: That's probably a #mythtv question. And I don't think it would be implemented in 0.22 anyways due to the feature freeze, but it might be accepted for 0.23 ... ;-)

[14:50:18]

Gav8in:

i know not 0.22

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: That's cool... hey, that's how I've learned about 80% of what I know – by 'reverse engineering' or looking at other code. I'm mostly self-taught.

[14:51:36]

j-rod:

this was a patch to the linux kernel driver for the hdpvr

[14:51:41]

j-rod:

for sagetv on linux

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j-rod:

no RE :)

[14:52:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[14:53:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

wait... sagetv on Linux? yikes...

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j-rod:

yes, there's sagetv for linux, mac os x and windows alike

[14:57:57]

paperclip:

these guys are totally wrong about the flash stuff in mythweb, eh?

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[15:01:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

the linux version of sage has been around for awhile now.

[15:02:54]

GreyFoxx:

I wonder how many if any sage users get their data from SD..... or does Sage have it's own source ?

[15:03:21]

jams:

thought they had their own source

[15:03:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

It says 'no subscription' – so I wonder where they get their listings data from too...

[15:04:20]

GreyFoxx:

Being commercial it wouldn't be "allowed" per say, so wouldn't be in the official SD stats or I'd just check those

[15:04:22]

paperclip:

there's a list of "approved apps" on SD

[15:04:38]

jams:

It's included in the price of the product. 99% sure they are a paying customer of TMS

[15:04:44]

GreyFoxx:

cool

[15:05:01]

GreyFoxx:

anything is better than scraping :)

[15:05:44]

i_is_cat:

is it possible to get mythtv to power off my tv with a button press that doesnt use irexec since irexec doesnt seem to want to work?

[15:06:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: how about 'irsend'? – or do you mean in response to you pressing a button on your mythtv remote?

[15:06:37]

GreyFoxx:

irexec doesn't execute for you ?

[15:06:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: If you've got a MCE remote, many have a learn function for the TV Power button.

[15:07:35]

Gav8in:

i keep thinking that DPMS is the way to control tv power,

[15:07:37]

i_is_cat:

J-e-f-f-A, i have the blaster setup and working with irsend

[15:07:46]

Gav8in:

but when i enable dpms in my x, i get vdpau trauma. perhaps unrelated.

[15:07:58]

i_is_cat:

and i got my lircrc file setup with the power irexec block

[15:08:04]

i_is_cat:

but irexec doesnt work :S

[15:08:13]

GreyFoxx:

I love my TV. It's got a serial port for controls like that and an open api for it

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GreyFoxx:

./tv.pl poweroff

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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paperclip:

which tv is that?

[15:08:29]

wagnerrp:

two girls in australia get trapped down a storm drain

[15:08:30]

i_is_cat:

my tv was given to me so its nothing special but it works

[15:08:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: You have to have an irexec daemon running in the background.

[15:08:41]

wagnerrp:

use their cell phones to make a plea for help on facebook

[15:08:43]

GreyFoxx:

only thing that sucks is that I can't poll the status of the current input being used

[15:08:51]

GreyFoxx:

paperclip: LG LCD Flatscreen

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i_is_cat:

J-e-f-f-A, thats what i mean, irexec doesnt work

[15:09:08]

paperclip:

GreyFoxx: cool

[15:09:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: It has to be running before lirc starts upIIRC.

[15:09:13]

Gav8in:

australia is scary. everything there is poisonous.

[15:09:24]

wagnerrp:

and their children are retarded

[15:09:25]

GreyFoxx:

I can "tell" if the TV is powered on by sending an unmute command and seeing the response

[15:09:32]

GreyFoxx:

but no way to poll the current input being used

[15:09:34]

i_is_cat:

J-e-f-f-A, hmm thats interesting it's worth a shot thats for sure

[15:09:37]

wagnerrp:

they had cellphones...

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise I would let it auto shutdown when idle

[15:09:51]

wagnerrp:

.... so they told people on facebook that they were trapped, and to call police for help

[15:10:04]

Gav8in:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: a plea for help on facebook? Why not call the emergency services directly???? yikes.

[15:10:16]

Gav8in:

that's pretty weird

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Gav8in:

why not call auzzie 911?

[15:10:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ exactly!!!!!

[15:10:32]

GreyFoxx:

gprs often still works when you can't get a call out

[15:10:37]

j-rod:

maybe data service coverage is better than voice service coverage

[15:10:39]

i_is_cat:

i just ran irexec -d /path/to/lircrc and then ps aux|grep irex and its not running

[15:10:48]

Gav8in:

perhaps they had free text but no free minutes!

[15:10:59]

Gav8in:

they were just saving $$$.

[15:11:06]

GreyFoxx:

I've been in several places where a coworker couldn't call me due to poor signal but they could text mew

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Gav8in:

i've found that too actually, on my yacht

[15:11:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: perhaps try launching it to the foreground and see if it throws some errors...

[15:11:39]

Gav8in:

god i hate not having cell service. i have to clear us customs when i dock everywhere, so what an irritant having to row ashore and find a phone and get someone to let me use it

[15:11:59]

i_is_cat:

ya could not connect to socket

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i_is_cat:

which is understandable if lircd isnt there atm heh

[15:12:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: permissions perhaps?

[15:12:41]

i_is_cat:

i saw a page that mentioned about permissions so i changed them accordingly, still no dice

[15:12:47]

GreyFoxx:

US customs has become a major pain :) thankfully I don't have to do it nearly as often as I use to

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: or socket location different from what its expecting

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j-rod:

strace it, see what socket location its trying to open

[15:13:21]

j-rod:

it moved from /dev/lircd to /var/run/lirc/lircd in 0.8.6

[15:13:23]

i_is_cat:

i ran lircd without the -o to let it go to /var/run/lirc/lircd by default, irexec will run at that point, but when i press power, irexec gives the same socket error

[15:13:29]

j-rod:

could be some userspace part mismatches

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j-rod:

I got nothin' then

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j-rod:

haven't actually tried irexec in ages

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and j-rod is a better resource than me... so I'm at a loss too... ;-)

[15:14:58]

** J-e-f-f-A only uses irexec for a 'reset mythfrontend' button... ;-) **

[15:15:02]

i_is_cat:

:S maybe its cuz my imon is stupid

[15:15:30]

i_is_cat:

ya all i wanna use it for is just turning on and off the tv so my roomie doesnt give me crap about leaving the tv on all the time lol

[15:15:30]

j-rod:

i_is_cat: still no luck w/the mouse buttons on it, I take it?

[15:15:30]

GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: some sort of killall mythfrontend script ?

[15:16:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, it's actually from Jarod's page... ;-) (IE: "Make MythTV more 'wife-friendly'... ;-) )

[15:16:11]

GreyFoxx:

i-is: My MCE remote has a "TV" button which I trained to match my TV's power button. So we just use that to turn it off/on

[15:16:21]

i_is_cat:

j-rod, no but yesterday i installed lirc again on a fresh install of slackware 13 and when the imon is in mouse mode and is moving the cursor, irw shows the output for mouseR and mouseL

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j-rod:

I was thinking that sounded vaguely familiar. :)

[15:16:26]

i_is_cat:

but nothing else

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: Can't say I have much need for that, but I do find it immensely useful to run the FE in a looping script so when I exit 3 seconds later it auto relaunches

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i_is_cat:

obviously, it shows that output when the mouseR and mouseL buttons are pressed, just so theres no confusion

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** J-e-f-f-A is still running 0.8.3-CVS lirc on his backend... ;-) **

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i_is_cat:

but moving the pad doesnt give output in irw when in mouse mode, neither does the ch+/ch- scroll wheel or any other buttons, then i hit the mouse/keyboard button and all buttons except the mouse/keyboard one register in irw

[15:17:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: It comes in handy when the frontend occasionally locks up for no apparent reason... pressing the "PC Power" button toggles between Killing the running mythfrontend and re-starting it...

[15:18:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

(I'm still running 0.21-fixes on my 'production' machines...)

[15:18:17]

j-rod:

i_is_cat: I'll see if I can come up with a more complete debugging patch later today...

[15:18:21]

i_is_cat:

so it seems my mouseR and mouseL just arent being routed as mouse commands when everything else is and i dont know why..

[15:18:29]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh. My PC power button puts the machine to sleep/brings it back.... not that I ever actually use that

[15:18:56]

i_is_cat:

j-rod, that would be awesome i'd love to get to the bottom of this and i'm sure i'm not the only person who is having the issue

[15:18:58]

j-rod:

I haven't had to kill the frontend in ages and ages

[15:19:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I use the 'exit mythfrontend' function "Shut Down and Power Off" for that... ;-)

[15:19:29]

i_is_cat:

most people dont care too much about controlling the mouse with the remote so they just dont bother.. no mouse in mythtv anyways lol

[15:19:29]

j-rod:

i_is_cat: could be others, but you're the only one that's reported this. :)

[15:19:38]

GreyFoxx:

At one point I intentionally broke it because my daughter kept accidentally pressing it :)

[15:19:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: Mine occasionally locks up, usually on a .ts file or a badly damaged atsc recording.

[15:20:11]

GreyFoxx:

j-rod: Same here.

[15:20:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: A mouse would be quite handy for Web stuff such as Hulu...

[15:20:47]

i_is_cat:

J-e-f-f-A, hulu doesnt work in canada :(

[15:20:49]

i_is_cat:

lamers

[15:21:30]

** j-rod upgrades rawhide on both laptop and workstation... mmm... 3+ days of churn... **

[15:22:11]

i_is_cat:

yesterday my frontend shut down on me three times in a row with no warnings no beeps no errors of any kind

[15:22:15]

i_is_cat:

i think the psu is failing

[15:22:31]

j-rod:

I blame the psu for the imon issues too then

[15:22:37]

i_is_cat:

different box

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i_is_cat:

lol

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j-rod:

darn.

[15:22:44]

j-rod:

:)

[15:23:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: Ah, lame.

[15:23:05]

i_is_cat:

ya this frontend is in my coffee table and uses the mceusb so i can blast my tv on and off, the imon is in my desktop

[15:24:05]

i_is_cat:

it was given to me by my uncle its a p4 1.6ghz w/1gb ram which he bought when it was brand spanking new and has been running nearly 24/7 since so i'm not surprised if its dying really.. it just sucks lol

[15:24:49]

elprespufferfish:

anybody have any idea why using 1080p to my hdtv from my nvidia card makes the image distorted, but 1080i works? it IS a 1080p tv

[15:25:17]

i_is_cat:

i dont have hdtv so i havent got a clue sorry

[15:25:37]

i_is_cat:

haha i nearly got up to turn on the tv! then i remembered i can irsend it on!

[15:26:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

elprespufferfish: improper modeline perhaps? And is it 1080p native, or just 'accept' 1080p?

[15:26:16]

elprespufferfish:

J-e-f-f-A, 1080p native

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i_is_cat:

hmmmmm turn it on and get a black screen.... nice...

[15:28:08]

i_is_cat:

stupid tv has a piece of crap composite connector in the back that has faulty soldering or something

[15:28:53]

i_is_cat:

anyone know why channel scans would stop at channel 51 on one tuner and 52 on the other? is that some new feature in trunk?

[15:29:48]

mzb:

must be a feature specific to your machine ;) (running out of fingers?)

[15:30:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

elprespufferfish: How do you have it connected, VGA/DVI/HDMI?

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elprespufferfish:

J-e-f-f-A, DVI->HDMI

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i_is_cat:

its weird the bottom progress bar jumps to 5% and stays there as the top bar is scanning away and gets to chan 51 and then signal drops and it just hangs until i hit esc, then i try the other tuner, same thing only it gets to 52, doesnt seem to affect anything as far as watching tv goes.. just weird..

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iamlindoro:

check for stumps

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J-e-f-f-A:

elprespufferfish: Humm... I would expect the edid identification to work well then, as AFAIK it's reliable on HDMI... But evidentally that may not be the case...

[15:34:33]

elprespufferfish:

J-e-f-f-A, I don't think i can use EDID since it's going through a receiver first

[15:34:38]

elprespufferfish:

J-e-f-f-A, get-edid can't read it

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wagnerrp:

elprespufferfish: so connect directly, capture the EDID block, and force the drivers to replay it whenever you start X

[15:35:18]

elprespufferfish:

J-e-f-f-A, i'm using the stock nvidia modelines. "1920x1080i" and "1920x1080"

[15:35:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

elprespufferfish: AH! So, i suspect you'll have to connect it directly to your myth box to get the edid strings, then create a modeline... ^^ like wagnerp says... ;-)

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elprespufferfish:

shouldn't the stock ones 'just work' ?

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wagnerrp:

dont create a modeline

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wagnerrp:

just force the driver to use the stored EDID

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wagnerrp:

and let the driver do what it wants

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops. ;-) better listen to wagnerrp instead ofme. ;-)

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elprespufferfish:

wagnerrp, how do i tell the driver to use the stored edid?

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Gav8in:

listen to wagerr. i tried creating modelines, he told me it was dumb.

[15:36:56]

Gav8in:

ultimately, i failed, it was dumb. save yourself the time.

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** J-e-f-f-A goes and stands in the corner... **

[15:37:09]

elprespufferfish:

time to crawl behind the TV :0

[15:37:38]

wagnerrp:

creating modelines isnt necessarily dump, it is just a considerable waste of time in most situations

[15:38:17]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nvidia-cards_and_n . . . efore_the_TV

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wagnerrp:

modelines for analog tv can make sense in some situations

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wagnerrp:

although even then, it is usually almost as good just to ignore the problem and use the screen setup wizard

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: I think I might actually see what's wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

I guess it was more of a necessity with an Analog monitor... ;-)

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i_is_cat:

j-rod, yay! in regards to irexec or the moose?

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j-rod:

mouse buttons

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i_is_cat:

alrighty, what should i try to make them work properly

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wagnerrp:

if sudo thinks everyone is supposed to be using sudo, why is it so damn complex

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i_is_cat:

?

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elprespufferfish:

what's complex about it

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wagnerrp:

the sudoers manpage is on of the largest ive ever seen

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i_is_cat:

weird..

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i_is_cat:

half the time i end up using su -c anyways..

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wagnerrp:

if you cant be trusted to use a root account, how are you ever going to set up this file

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elprespufferfish:

huzzah, 1080p!

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elprespufferfish:

now to store this edid

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: revert any local changes, cvs up, and then apply this patch: http://jwilson.fedorapeople.org/misc/imon-debug.patch

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Zathraz:

iamlindoro, I heard you are the man to ask about flushing the EPG database?

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: build lirc_imon, load w/debug=1, hit me with the debug spew

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i_is_cat:

k

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Zathraz:

seems like I only get data for 1 channel although the xmltv file has data for 36 channels

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i_is_cat:

LOL one of my cats somehow opened my shoe drawer and then trapped himself inside!

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: the check for 'is this ffdc device mouse data' looks to be bonged for the mouse buttons

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i_is_cat:

i'll let him out AFTER ive made the imon changes

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i_is_cat:

hmm alright lets see what happens

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j-rod:

and I think this would be tanked for all ffdc imon devices, unless other ones decode mouse button presses differently

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elprespufferfish:

how can i use nvidia-config without a mouse?

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j-rod:

tab tab tab

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elprespufferfish:

or a keyboard :p

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clever:

you can enable a vnc server within the X server

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clever:

either x0vncserver(x11 client) or by editing xorg.conf to run one as a x11 server side module

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j-rod:

I've been meaning to set up synergy between my laptop and mythfrontend so I can just use the laptop kbd/mouse to control my frontend box

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Gav8in:

wow, vnc servers on linux will let you use an actual dispaly as a server now?

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clever:

ah yeah, synergy would work great too

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Gav8in:

neat!

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Gav8in:

long time coming

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clever:

and better then vnc

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elprespufferfish:

oops

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clever:

Gav8in: the x0vncserver will poll the server to get the image, and suck lots of cpu

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Gav8in:

oh, that's less than ideal.

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elprespufferfish:

so far so good

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clever:

while the one as a x11 module is hooked into the server and would work better

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j-rod:

there are other vnc servers that do serve up your actual X tho

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Gav8in:

gotya; it interposes on events i suppose

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clever:

i mainly use Xvnc4 which doesnt use a video card

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elprespufferfish:

hmm.. it's still distorted through the reciever

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i_is_cat:

lol the cat got out by himself.. what a nut

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clever:

j-rod: the only problem i can see with synergyc on a frontend

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clever:

j-rod: when your mouse is 'off screen' mythfrontend wont have focus, and the colors in certain menu's change(imposible to see whats selected)

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clever:

which then screws you up when using lirc or a joystick

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j-rod:

hrm. hadn't thought of that.

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clever:

you might be able to solve that by editing the theme

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clever:

or just whack the mouse that way whenever you want to use it

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Zathraz:

how can I clear the EPG part of the mythtv-database please?

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clever:

though i also have a tiny c app that goes into the 'telnet port' and can basicaly relay any key to mythfrontend

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clever:

basicaly synergy without the mouse

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elprespufferfish:

Invalid CustomEDID string token: "DFP-O"; discarding token.

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elprespufferfish:

Option "CustomEDID" "DFP-O:/etc/mythtv/tv-edid.bin"

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j-rod:

clever: also doesn't work for !mythtv. :)

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clever:

j-rod: yeah, but if i'm going to use an external player, i just run mplayer right under ssh

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i_is_cat:

j-rod, i have a /dev/lirc /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircd showing up now but dmesg doesnt give any errors or anything...

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clever:

easyer to enter the filenames from ssh then rescanning mythvideo

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i_is_cat:

mouse buttons still not working..

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j-rod:

clever: I was thinking of the nvidia-settings case that prompted all this

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j-rod:

or running firefox pointed at hulu.com

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clever:

j-rod: yeah for those you would need synergy/vnc

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: loaded lirc_imon with debug=1 ?

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j-rod:

you should get a ton of spew if you do

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clever:

xvidtune and stuff are special and must be run on the x server your trying to tweak

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laga_:

whose trying?

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clever:

so those cases cant be used thru x11 forwarding

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i_is_cat:

yep i did, what was that watch command you had me enter the last time? i seem to have deleted my knote with it and this is a fresh install so its not in the history..

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i_is_cat:

i enabled the debug in the configure and also set debug=1 when i loaded the lirc_imon module

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: just pastebin all of your dmesg output

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i_is_cat:

you got it

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AndyCap:

elprespufferfish: DFP-0 ZERO!

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j-rod:

(was 'watch -n 1 "dmesg | tail -n 30"' or similar for watching the spew in semi-real-time)

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laga_:

AndyCap, elprespufferfish: YMMD!

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elprespufferfish:

hahaha. good call.

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AndyCap:

elprespufferfish: but if you're using custom edid odds are you're doing it wrong

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elprespufferfish:

oh my

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elprespufferfish:

how embarassing :(

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elprespufferfish:

guh, still not working

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clever:

j-rod: tail -F /var/log/kern.log

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clever:

j-rod: much much better

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clever:

(assumes sysklogd is working, if not, cat /proc/kmsg)

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j-rod:

clever: tail: cannot open `/var/log/kern.log' for reading: No such file or directory

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i_is_cat:

hmm k.. ya that watch command doesnt give any debug output like before at all :S .. pastebin is http://pastebin.ca/1558538

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clever:

j-rod: either find out what file your syslog uses, or bypass syslog

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j-rod:

and /proc/kmsg isn't user-readable

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clever:

the kmsg 'file' acts like a fifo and is normaly used by syslog

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j-rod:

and the above Just Works

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j-rod:

so thank you, but I'm all set :)

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clever:

j-rod: the watch method will only show the last 30, while tail -F or cat will show every line

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j-rod:

yes. I know this.

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j-rod:

and its perfectly suitable for what I need.

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jams:

heh

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AndyCap:

watch --interval=0.000001 :P

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j-rod:

I believe watch also takes '0' as an interval, meaning 'do it as fast as you can'.

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i_is_cat:

j-rod, ok i think its working better now, i think it was cuz i forgot to kill LCDd which was causing issues so now i seem to be getting debug stuff lemme pastebin it here for you

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j-rod:

but again, a 1 second interval giving me the last 30 lines of dmesg is more than suitable for this application

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AndyCap:

seems 0.1 is the least it wants to do here

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i_is_cat:

:O j-rod i tried the mouse buttons, they work! only in reverse!

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: le sigh. hrm.

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i_is_cat:

ya.. seems to have caused an issue with my regular mouse tho lol

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j-rod:

AndyCap: ah, it'll take 0, but only updates every 0.1s

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AndyCap:

time to make watch-rt :P

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i_is_cat:

k http://pastebin.ca/1558549

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: do pastebin the output please

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j-rod:

heh

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AndyCap:

which will be doomed to an obscure existence out of the mainline tree

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i_is_cat:

sorry was takin a bit cuz the regular mouse is acting wonky.. half the clicks dont seem to register and such

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: is that spewing endlessly into dmesg now?

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j-rod:

gah. I have to run. (literally, time for some lunchtime pickup soccer). back in ~2.5hr...

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i_is_cat:

seems like it..

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i_is_cat:

wow nice lunch break lol

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j-rod:

I make up for it on the back end

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j-rod:

but yeah, we're plenty flexible w/scheduling here

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** j-rod runs away **

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i_is_cat:

lol thanks for the help again

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i_is_cat:

we're gettin there! slowly but surely :D

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, new inkscape seems on the verge of happening

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juski:

iamlindoro: gonna force myself to listen to that podcast & send them a list of clarifications

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iamlindoro:

juski: Don't get a repetitive stress injury

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juski:

not having jokers peddling misinformation around no matter how small the audience is

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iamlindoro:

Well, bear in bind that they mean well

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juski:

I know

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AndyCap:

does juski mean well too? :)

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iamlindoro:

Holy crap, just checking out the prerelease of the new inkscape-- their new "filters" functionality is awesome

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juski:

cute? WTF is cute?

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iamlindoro:

juski: *apparently* according to trolltech that's the correct pronunciation

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iamlindoro:

not that I use it :)

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juski:

heh

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wagnerrp:

que-tee works fine for me

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juski:

ah sod it. if anybody believes what they hear in a podcast they've got it coming

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iamlindoro:

Inkscape sucks at rendering the same SVG cross platform, though

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juski:

I often found SVGs saved in linux with effects wouldn't work properly on windows

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juski:

and that was just a simple blur

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elprespufferfish:

i wonder if this has anything to do with hdcp

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juski:

wonder if what has anything to do with hdcp?

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juski:

hdcp has absolutely *no* relevance to linux. TVs should accept uncrippled sources without complaint. If that ever changes we're sunk

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elprespufferfish:

that's good to know

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elprespufferfish:

doesn't help me figure out why 1080p looks like crap when going through my receiver

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elprespufferfish:

connected directly to the tv it works ifne

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juski:

does your TV report what res it's getting?

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elprespufferfish:

1920x1080 60hz

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juski:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

juski: These Inkscape .47 filters take all the challenge out of everything-- and there's like 100 of them

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juski:

do other hdmi sources work ok through the receiver?

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elprespufferfish:

my ps3 works like a dream

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juski:

iamlindoro: I can wait

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juski:

unless they've got some opengl shader code I can pinch ;-)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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juski:

did you catch that I tried doing the blur in c++? Even with a reportedly 'fast' algorithm it was noticably slow

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iamlindoro:

Probably not GL, but probably some fun image effects that could be stolen

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iamlindoro:

I caught that you tried, but last I saw no success

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juski:

yeah I got it to work but it was *way* slow

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juski:

no use for real time display

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juski:

which totally defeats the whole oject really

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juski:

*object

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juski:

maybe if the whole screen wasn't repainted every update in the gl painter.. but even then it'd still suck

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juski:

so it's do it properly (i.e. with shaders) or not at all

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juski:

I'll have to break out the big guns & experiment with a standalone test app

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juski:

I mean if it was too slow on a recentish C2D laptop, god help lesser systems ;-)

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juski:

and when I say 'slow' I mean the transitions were like HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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juski:

if I had to guess I'd say 100x slowdown

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Well I look forward to seeing it work

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juski:

me too. wonder when the gl whizz is coming to help

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juski:

relying on shaders won't be so bad since everything for *how* long has supported them :)

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elprespufferfish:

anybody have any ideas? 1080p going through my receiver results in speckling and distortion

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elprespufferfish:

works fine connected directly to the tv

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juski:

speckling? ouch

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juski:

when you said 'like crap' I immediately thought it was being rescaled

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juski:

this new info implies the hdmi signal is being distorted somehow

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elprespufferfish:

it looks fine for a second, then pixels start turning green and purple

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juski:

if the cable isn't bordering on too long, the only likely suspect would be a ground loop or something I think

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juski:

is everything plugged into the same power strip?

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elprespufferfish:

yes

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juski:

and what if you unplug everything else from the receiver & the TV ?

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elprespufferfish:

you mean everything else but the receiver and tv?

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juski:

I mean try having the PC into the receiver & the receiver going into the TV. nothing else connected to the receiver or TV

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elprespufferfish:

ah

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elprespufferfish:

i'll try in a second

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juski:

and then maybe try disconnecting RF cables going into any tuners you have in the PC too

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juski:

or try a different HDMI cable, even ;-)

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elprespufferfish:

just remove the other video inputs?

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juski:

yeah for now

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juski:

also any line level audio & antenna connections from the receiver too

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elprespufferfish:

no antennas here

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elprespufferfish:

no change with the other video inputs removed

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elprespufferfish:

if it's the cable it'd have to be the reciever->tv cable, right?

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juski:

not necessarily

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elprespufferfish:

the pc->reciever cable works fine when it's used for pc->tv

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juski:

yeah well it sounds to me like it's marginal when the receiver is involved

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juski:

it might be close without the receiver involved but the TV has a better HDMI receiver circuit

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juski:

how much HDMI cable are we talking about here anyway?

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elprespufferfish:

lengths of 6'

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juski:

the receiver *might* not even be buffering the HDMI signals

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juski:

even 12' should be way fine

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elprespufferfish:

the PS3 works fine at 1080p

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elprespufferfish:

which really confuses me

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elprespufferfish:

since it's also going through the receiver

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elprespufferfish:

and 1920x1080 @ 30hz works fine

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sphery:

elprespufferfish: HDCP or DVI? Some TMDS receivers/transmitters are poor quality and can't handle 1920x1080@60Hz (especially single-link DVI). HDMI /should/ be OK.

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elprespufferfish:

sphery, DVI -> HDMI

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wagnerrp:

namely older DVI transmitters cannot handle the necessary frequency

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elprespufferfish:

is there any way i can tell for sure?

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, even some of the lower end 7-series could only do 1600x1200

[17:06:46]

wagnerrp:

5-series may have been down to 1280x1024

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elprespufferfish:

I have a 7025

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wagnerrp:

yeah... probably cant manager 1080p

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elprespufferfish:

*sigh*

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elprespufferfish:

oh well. more reasons to upgrade to something with vdpau, right?

[17:07:13]

wagnerrp:

thats an... onboard? what specific board?

[17:07:44]

elprespufferfish:

I think it's an abit an-m2hd

[17:07:56]

elprespufferfish:

nope, it's twin

[17:07:58]

elprespufferfish:

that one has a 7050

[17:08:30]

elprespufferfish:

just the an-m2 maybe

[17:08:31]

wagnerrp:

here we go... http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/mainboard/nvidi . . . 0-page1.html

[17:08:45]

wagnerrp:

only 1600x1200 on the DVI output

[17:09:20]

elprespufferfish:

what a slap in the face

[17:09:54]

Dibblah:

Hmm. "I was having problems with NFS, so I switched to CIFS". Yeah, that's a good plan.

[17:10:59]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: i actually used CIFS with mythtv for a while, so i could have server side link referencing

[17:11:09]

sphery:

heh, I said, "HDCP or DVI"... meant "HDMI or DVI" (but I got "HDMI" right later???)

[17:11:27]

elprespufferfish:

i figured :D

[17:11:31]

Dibblah:

HDMI == DVI, though.

[17:11:37]

wagnerrp:

dereferencing, rather

[17:11:47]

wagnerrp:

HDMI != DVI

[17:11:54]

sphery:

HDMI v2+ are more than DVI

[17:12:09]

wagnerrp:

SL-DVI ~ HDMI 1.2-

[17:12:15]

Dibblah:

Only wrt audio.

[17:12:21]

wagnerrp:

no

[17:12:39]

wagnerrp:

HDMI 1.3 offers more capacity than DVI

[17:12:44]

elprespufferfish:

eesh. only one motherboard on newegg that has an nvidia gpu and my other requirements

[17:12:49]

wagnerrp:

HDMI 1.4 offers FAR more capacity than DVI

[17:13:16]

wagnerrp:

DL-DVI offers more capacity than HDMI 1.2-, but in a different way than HDMI1.3 and 1.4 do

[17:13:38]

Dibblah:

HDMI is essentially a connector.

[17:14:05]

Dibblah:

You can put a DVI connector on your HDMI cable and have _exactly_ the same functionality.

[17:14:11]

wagnerrp:

no

[17:14:18]

Dibblah:

Really?

[17:14:53]

** Dibblah looks at his DVI -> hdmi -> switch -> hdmi -> DVI monitor setup. **

[17:14:54]

wagnerrp:

the newer versions of HDMI, SL-DVI cables and connectors are not designed for the signal frequency

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wagnerrp:

its like cat5 vs. cat6 vs. cat7

[17:15:32]

Dibblah:

Have you seen the internal construction of most HDMI terminations?

[17:15:53]

Dibblah:

Soldered up by the cheapest worker available.

[17:16:21]

wagnerrp:

there is a basic level of compatibility, providing up to 165MHz ~4.5Gbps

[17:17:41]

Dibblah:

It's better than the abortion that is VGA :)

[17:18:13]

wagnerrp:

seems like its only 3.96Gbps

[17:18:16]

** Dibblah much prefers 13w3. **

[17:18:35]

Dibblah:

I guess that makes me old :(

[17:21:14]

wagnerrp:

anyway, yes... the original HDMI and the original DVI were compatible

[17:21:21]

wagnerrp:

but they have both branched away from that

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wagnerrp:

and are only as interchangeable as that original level of compatibility

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Dibblah:

Completely depends on luck and cable length.

[17:22:38]

Dibblah:

There is _0_ difference between a HDMI 1.4 connector and an original HDMI connector.

[17:22:40]

mcflow:

Is there already a way to import the channels of my dboxII to mythtv?

[17:22:40]

sphery:

DisplayPort ftw!!!

[17:22:49]

sphery:

(for patent/licensing reasons, only, though)

[17:22:56]

Dibblah:

True, it needs more care in assembly to get it within spec.

[17:23:07]

wagnerrp:

HDMI doubled the frequency, DVI doubled the data links

[17:23:20]

sphery:

mcflow: you need to set up channels in mythtv-setup... If digital, you'll need to scan.

[17:24:40]

Dibblah:

No.

[17:24:46]

Dibblah:

HDMI also doubled the links.

[17:25:01]

Dibblah:

Of course, not many people use that option.

[17:25:06]

wagnerrp:

if HDMI doubled the links, how would they continue to use the same connector?

[17:25:17]

Dibblah:

Type B

[17:25:43]

wagnerrp:

anyway... im just angry that my DVI-I KVM does not seem to seem to switch analog video

[17:25:51]

Dibblah:

Summary – They don't.

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Dibblah:

They use the other side of the connector for the other link.

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Dibblah:

Switching analog is expensive.

[17:27:02]

mcflow:

sphery: So I have to enter them all manually in myth-setup? The channel scanner is greyed out. (Various how tos also mentioned that)

[17:27:06]

wagnerrp:

but my laptop only pumps out 1024x768 digital

[17:27:56]

Dibblah:

mcflow: Are you using your dbox as a tuner for Myth?

[17:28:10]

mcflow:

I want to do that Dibblah

[17:28:18]

Dibblah:

I wouldn't recommend it.

[17:28:27]

Dibblah:

The code for it is old and crufty.

[17:29:38]

mcflow:

ok

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mcflow:

Is there any other software for linux that can do that? I wonder because the receiver runs linux but the software for the pc seems to be better on windows :/

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Shadow__X:

no one is stoping you from using windows

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Shadow__X:

you dont have to run mythtv

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i_is_cat:

is there a known issue with the mythtv trunk and older ati vid cards using the radeon driver?

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kormoc:

%s/issue/issues/

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kormoc:

or rather %s/is there a know issue/there are many known issues/

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sphery:

i_is_cat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164 ?

[17:41:59]

i_is_cat:

im having some strange issues like no video showing in the guide, even tho a second before the guide pulls up you see the video shrink and move to the top corner, then the guide just covers it, also seems like when it gets a blank frame or something it has a tendency to pause or skip slightly in livetv but only occasionally and i'm not sure what exactly is causing it, just *seems* like it happens when a blank frame pops up

[17:42:14]

elprespufferfish:

yikes my htpc is too slow for HD

[17:42:35]

sphery:

i_is_cat: ah, those would be trunk issues--the price you pay for running unstable code :)

[17:43:00]

i_is_cat:

it seems fine on my frontend/backend using onboard nvidia tho.. thats the thing

[17:43:17]

i_is_cat:

i'll try the suggestion in the link you posted sphery thanks

[17:43:36]

sphery:

i_is_cat: though the pause on blank frame (scratchy audio) is an audio misconfig on your system--enable "Extra audio buffering" in mythfrontend's TV Playback settings

[17:44:00]

iamlindoro:

juski: Referring to our conversation last night-- Inkscape .47 includes SVG font creation/kerning/etc. tools

[17:44:19]

sphery:

i_is_cat: the stuff on the link I posted probably won't help the video not showing--you'll just have to wait until that part is fixed for all video cards/renderers (or at least your specific one :)

[17:44:24]

i_is_cat:

extra audio buffering is enabled on both frontends..

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sphery:

i_is_cat: is "Aggressive Sound card Buffering" enabled? If so, that's causing it (disable it).

[17:45:07]

sphery:

i.e. "Aggressive Sound card Buffering" basically undoes "Extra audio buffering"

[17:45:20]

i_is_cat:

the thing that sucks is that the proprietary drivers, if they're even any better, are from 2006 for my card, and the next card up in the list has the latest 2009 updated driver so mine is like the cutoff card in their list.. dicks

[17:45:31]

i_is_cat:

sphery, i'm not sure i'll check that one out

[17:45:33]

sphery:

they are the Yin and Yang of Myth

[17:45:53]

sphery:

i_is_cat: yeah, ATI/AMD end-of-life the drivers /way/ too fast

[17:46:21]

sphery:

at least they're releasing specs for the FOSS driver devs, though

[17:46:29]

i_is_cat:

they sure do.. its not even that old a card, and my roomie has a dead desktop with the *exact* same card in it, so i've got TWO on my hands..

[17:46:33]

i_is_cat:

:S

[17:46:39]

sphery:

heh

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juski:

iamlindoro: great, so you'll be making your own fonts for your themes too. Excellent

[17:47:05]

i_is_cat:

my onboard nvidia, altho 3yrs old now, still kicks that cards ass to the ground

[17:47:41]

sphery:

juski: then, instead of users buying the font from <insert font designer/publisher>, they can send their money to iamlindoro

[17:47:43]

juski:

when ati stuff actually works apparently it's very good – better than even nvidia. that'd be the catch though – when it works

[17:48:35]

elprespufferfish:

argh, my non-DD sound is off again

[17:48:36]

Gav8in:

hopefully rbuffer->Write does the right thing if a signal comes in

[17:48:37]

i_is_cat:

actually my onboard nvidia is pretty neat cuz it has the dongle with the extra tv out things

[17:48:37]

elprespufferfish:

i forgot how i fixed htat

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Gav8in:

misfire

[17:48:39]

sphery:

yeah, and you can't do ATI proprietary drivers on an x86_64 system (without 32-bit libs) unless you actually hack the binary blobs (which is forbidden by the license)

[17:48:56]

iamlindoro:

Heh, wish I could achieve anything like frutiger.. but no thanks :)

[17:48:57]

sphery:

guess it's good most distros do multilib

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wagnerrp:

oh? thats pretty pathetic

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juski:

iamlindoro: get the tracing paper out? ;-)

[17:55:23]

iamlindoro:

heh

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juski:

ATI's SDTV output is reckoned to be second to none. while their binary driver still supports your hardware that is

[17:56:54]

juski:

intel's isn't bad but there's nothing like a decent GUI app to make adjustments :(

[17:57:13]

juski:

having to use xrandr is better than nothing, only just

[17:57:19]

** iamlindoro doesn't remember what an SDTV looks like ;) **

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sphery:

juski: sadly that's how many of the "free" fonts out there are done

[17:57:31]

iamlindoro:

though unfortunately I still know what SDTV *signal* looks like

[17:57:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: just enable the Retro theme--it's got a pic

[17:58:02]

iamlindoro:

heh... and GANT too IIRC

[17:58:15]

juski:

caveman TV set :)

[17:58:53]

iamlindoro:

"The settings table is within the mythconverg database and has nothing to do with settings of the mysql server."

[17:58:56]

iamlindoro:

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

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sphery:

heh: I tried it. It got along famously with my system (ubuntu 9.04). Thanks.

[17:59:01]

iamlindoro:

Well that's a neat idea

[17:59:05]

sphery:

(on the #7010 thread on -dev list)

[17:59:27]

iamlindoro:

preceded by "I didn't follow this guid I droped the whole mythconverg database and recreated it with the my.pl script."

[17:59:34]

iamlindoro:

WTF is the my.pl script?

[17:59:37]

sphery:

wow

[17:59:40]

sphery:

where's that?

[17:59:47]

iamlindoro:

in response to your response to the gentoo guy :)

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iamlindoro:

ML

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wagnerrp:

you know... sometimes it shames me to use gentoo

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sphery:

"The settings table is within the mythconverg database and has

[18:00:34]

sphery:

nothing to do with settings of the mysql server

[18:00:35]

wagnerrp:

we've become the ubuntu for people who think they know what theyre doing

[18:00:45]

sphery:

heh... I guess I should have known that. Oh, wait. I do.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I /hope/ he means, "mc.sql" script.

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iamlindoro:

I hope that too

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juski:

googling mc.pl found nothing

[18:01:36]

iamlindoro:

But I want to hear more about how a table in the mythconverg DB on the mysql server has nothing to do w/ the mysql server settings ;)

[18:02:21]

sphery:

he thought I meant his MySQL server config was broken when I said, "Looks like your database settings are broken"

[18:02:21]

Gav8in:

what would i put in it?

[18:02:29]

Gav8in:

woops, misfire

[18:09:36]

sphery:

So, wondering if gcc 4.4.1 always clobbers MySQL or if it only does so when people do "I'm smarter than configure" things (i.e. specify -O in CFLAGS or whatever).

[18:09:54]

sphery:

I have a distinct feeling it's the latter.

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kormoc:

Works for me (tm)(r)

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sphery:

please make royalty checks payable to "kormoc utters, Inc."

[18:14:56]

janneg:

sphery: gcc 4.4 produces bad ffmpeg binaries

[18:15:08]

sphery:

yeah, but you just said bad as in slow, right?

[18:15:40]

sphery:

I'm trying to decide between 4.4.1 and 4.3 for my new system, but since I don't want to redo this anytime soon, I was hoping for "as current as possible"

[18:15:47]

sphery:

might still be better with 4.3, though

[18:15:55]

janneg:

yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised by miscompiles

[18:16:00]

akc42:

Is this the right place to ask about dual nova t which looses its second channel every couple of weeks

[18:16:10]

iamlindoro:

That's what I thought ;)

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[18:17:26]

janneg:

akc42: do you use the IR? if not have you tried disabling it? options dvb-usb disable_rc_polling=1

[18:17:28]

TrademarkLawyer:

See you on the 20th

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akc42:

No IR – its running as just a backend

[18:18:18]

akc42:

where do I put the option, on a modprobe?

[18:18:43]

jams:

kormoc- with http://pastebin.com/m6f6c0022, where exactly does the extra where clause(line 12) get inserted?

[18:18:59]

janneg:

probably as option in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/

[18:19:14]

akc42:

OK thanks – I will go look at that

[18:19:37]

kormoc:

jams: Ahh, for the outer where

[18:19:46]

janneg:

or reloading the dvb-usb module with modprobe dvb-usb disable_rc_polling=1

[18:20:20]

jams:

thanks, just making sure =)

[18:22:41]

kormoc:

Yeah, that's a fun one :)

[18:25:10]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any chance i could get a filesize field added to videometadata?

[18:26:04]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Hmm, not sure about that one-- anything to be gained from having it in the DB versus just querying the filesystem?

[18:26:08]

wagnerrp:

on second thought... you cant really add size to videometadata, until you add a way to find the size of the file over myth protocol

[18:26:24]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: remotefile::filesize()

[18:26:43]

i_is_cat:

hmmm the onscreen keyboard thing doesnt seem to work either :S

[18:26:47]

iamlindoro:

build the myth URL, open it w/ remotefile, and use the filezise query

[18:26:50]

iamlindoro:

er filesize

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kormoc:

i_is_cat: welcome to trunk

[18:27:06]

iamlindoro:

erm, and it may actually be GetFilesize()

[18:27:16]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats what i was wanting to avoid

[18:27:17]

i_is_cat:

lol thanks good to be here, wish i knew some coding to help out :S

[18:27:26]

wagnerrp:

(having to open a remote file and query the size)

[18:27:47]

iamlindoro:

why?

[18:27:55]

** kormoc totally needs to work on the VDPAU auto aspect code again **

[18:28:02]

iamlindoro:

Yeah you do

[18:28:04]

iamlindoro:

slacker

[18:28:23]

kormoc:

Time to blow out a GPU!

[18:28:29]

wagnerrp:

so i can more easily keep track of file sizes, besides just making a separate table and populating it

[18:28:32]

kormoc:

this time, it's *integrated!*

[18:28:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: why care?

[18:28:45]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I just meant what's the big deal about using remotefile?

[18:28:50]

wagnerrp:

working on a way to manage external devices

[18:28:52]

iamlindoro:

That's what it's there for :)

[18:28:59]

iamlindoro:

ah, so for stuff that's not present

[18:29:10]

wagnerrp:

and i want to have a web page where you can select what data gets synced onto what device

[18:29:21]

wagnerrp:

recordings and music already list their size

[18:29:21]

** J-e-f-f-A laughs at kormoc ;-) **

[18:29:54]

wagnerrp:

but if i want to find the size of a video, i have to open a backend file transfer

[18:30:04]

wagnerrp:

(or hope the file is local, and query the local file system)

[18:30:59]

iamlindoro:

Think captain M was talking about keeping the video info in recordedfile once his multi-file stuff was done

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iamlindoro:

which includes filesize

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wagnerrp:

which is expected to be in 0.23?

[18:31:30]

iamlindoro:

hoping so

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Lhorian:

hello

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wagnerrp:

actually, it seems QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY does return file size

[18:33:50]

iamlindoro:

Suspect that's the same as the remotefile command

[18:34:03]

iamlindoro:

as filesize for videos is not stored in the DB anywhere that I am aware of

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wagnerrp:

well im just thinking polling the database would be much better than polling the backend socket a couple hundred/thousand times

[18:36:09]

wagnerrp:

if i put together a patch, would that violate the feature freeze?

[18:36:23]

iamlindoro:

probably

[18:36:45]

wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind then... i just have it create a separate table and store the information there

[18:38:00]

iamlindoro:

pretty sure the file size information that's usable in watch recording is just using the remotefile method

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iamlindoro:

And that's potentially hundreds/thousands of remotefile checks, too

[18:38:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: then you're just shifting the i/o to sql... Virtually the same as getting the info from the backend.

[18:38:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ exactly (you're fast today iamlindoro ... ;-) )

[18:38:38]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: yeah, our main art person absolutely loves the new inkscape too

[18:38:48]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: not at all... mysql, i can do one canned query... backend protocol would be one query per file

[18:39:09]

wagnerrp:

and that would be one query of every file, every time you refreshed the webpage

[18:39:13]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: The biggest thing for me so far is a bug fix, actually-- blur an item in .46 and export it.. you get a lopped off version of the blur equal to the original parent size

[18:39:25]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: new version adjusts the bounding box to include the full blur

[18:39:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Well, yeah, I wasn't thinking about a 'join'...

[18:39:49]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: So now I don't have to export a "near invisible" parent object below it to get the blur visible

[18:40:00]

j-rod:

heh, that's a plus

[18:40:13]

j-rod:

tbh, I've not played with it much at all myself, only very very briefly

[18:40:14]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: http://www.fecitfacta.com/itemdetail.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/winner.png

[18:40:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah, something like 'select videometadata.intid, size from videometadata,videosize where videometadata.intid=videosize.intid'

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: those are two of the best background images...

[18:41:36]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: hehehe, I know ;)

[18:42:11]

iamlindoro:

The little germinating seeds of my graphite followup

[18:42:27]

j-rod:

oh, also... after going through and making sure I'd already visited every single movie, graphite does indeed behave perfectly speedy on my ion fe

[18:42:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro:, j-rod hehe... I was thinking the same thing...

[18:42:38]

iamlindoro:

good to know

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j-rod:

mythfrontend reports using a shitload of memory, but hey

[18:42:49]

j-rod:

there's 4G in the box, so why not

[18:43:04]

iamlindoro:

I am so happy w/ the edit metadata screen, angelina aside :)

[18:43:05]

j-rod:

(I think mythfrontend was weighing in at over 2G last time I looked)

[18:43:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I think it looks awesome. ;-) Good work!

[18:43:28]

iamlindoro:

Actually clean looking and not cluttered feeling for once

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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Lhorian:

I must be a bit behind, but sure I've missed something. Can anyone telle what happened to mythtv 0.21.1?

[18:45:02]

iamlindoro:

hoping we see the video widget early in the .23 rotation so I can get that in there

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: sorry to say that my wife still doesn't like it, but I do, so its staying, for now... :)

[18:45:06]

iamlindoro:

Lhorian: it never existed

[18:45:27]

iamlindoro:

It was an arbitrary "possible" maintenance release that never was and never will be releasd

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Lhorian:

OK, I understand

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Hopefully she'll like this followup — from all the lessons learned writing Graphite-- FWIW I don't like Graphite either ;)

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iamlindoro:

Lhorian: But since .22 will be out in a couple weeks, it's really a non issue

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lhorian: 0.21-fixes is the current release. 0.22 is in the works now...

[18:46:27]

mzb:

couple of weeks?

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Lhorian:

I'm looking forward 0.22

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iamlindoro:

yes, couple weeks

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Ideally before the end of the month

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb: What are you still doing up? ;-) hehehe

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i_is_cat:

:| i wish my mythtv looked like that lol

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mzb:

I'd like to consider moving to "stable" from trunk ... is that feasible?

[18:47:24]

mzb:

(when 0.22 is branched off)

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iamlindoro:

mzb: yep, just an svn switch away once there's a .22-fixes branch

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mzb:

k, I'll ask more at the right time

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iamlindoro:

i_is_cat: Heh, *mine* barely looks like that, this new theme only has a few screens done anyway

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully this will be to Graphite what Graphite is to GANT ;)

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i_is_cat:

ah well its lookin awesome so far

[18:48:19]

pjcrux:

hello all, I'm running mythtv 0.21 under Fedora 9 and my channel listings have dissappeared. I've run mythfilldatabase and service mythbackend restart but they are still not showing up. Also I can't get my channel icons to download as well and the channel names do not appear. Please any thoughts out there?

[18:48:52]

iamlindoro:

Terra is by far more consistent than Graphite-- only reason people like Graphite is it crams in all the new fancy metadata

[18:48:55]

j-rod:

i_is_cat: hey, can you see how things behave if you reload lirc_imon w/o the debug=1?

[18:49:07]

i_is_cat:

j-rod, sure

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iamlindoro:

W/ this new little project, I'm going for consistency and building around the metadata from the ground up

[18:49:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: did your schedules direct submission run out? (if you're in the US...)

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j-rod:

curious if we're just flooding the logs, causing latency issues, or if things are truly severely jacked up still

[18:49:27]

pjcrux:

no sir still valid for another 11 months

[18:49:45]

iamlindoro:

rather than write a little theme, write a feature, cram it in, write a little more theme...

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j-rod:

woo! I love deliveries...

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laga_:

j-rod: meh. still waiting for my GPS. serves me right for giving them the wrong address

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j-rod:

this is... something different... :)

[18:51:21]

laga_:

j-rod: does it involve video decoding? ;)

[18:51:38]

j-rod:

it does indeed

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laga_:

yaytastic

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pjcrux:

my backend status is telling me conflicting info

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j-rod:

newer hardware revision than the parts I already have

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Humm... Something must have changed... do you any useful errors if you run "mythfilldabase -v most" from a shell?

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pjcrux:

one sec

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i_is_cat:

well i dont get anything weird in dmesg and it works as it was before with the mouse buttons working, only in reverse.. i think the pad is also clicking one of the mouse buttons its hard to tell for sure

[18:52:51]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Any updated ETA on that stuff?

[18:53:01]

iamlindoro:

(and any progress in userspace?)

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j-rod:

no updated ETA, still "hopefully within 2 weeks" as of a week ago.

[18:53:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

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j-rod:

I'd hoped to make some userspace progress this weekend. No such luck. I forgot that I have kids.

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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j-rod:

I do have four systems decked out with cards now though, with a 5th sitting in front of me

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iamlindoro:

That kind of thing can get a fella in trouble

[18:55:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

is that "One Myth system per child?" ;-)

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i_is_cat:

and its making my regular mouse act up pretty bad.. clicks arent registering and then when i try to say minimize a window the clicks do nothing, i try to click and focus on a different window and my click maximizes the first window i was trying to minimize.. that sort of random behaviour

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i_is_cat:

xev says mouseR is both button 3 and button 2 and mouseL is both button 1 and button 2

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i_is_cat:

sorry reverse that, mouseL is 3,2 and mouseR is 1,2

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: running it now

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pjcrux:

sorry my router crashed had to reset

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: that's... interesting. maybe. dunno. never looked at xev output.

[19:02:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: NP. I don't know if I will be able to help much, but perhaps that will help show an error to get you closer to fixing it... ;-)

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j-rod:

but we only do input_report_key(mouse, BTN_{LEFT,RIGHT}, ...);

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j-rod:

so regardless of what it thinks, we should still be sending through on/off for left and right

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i_is_cat:

ya.. i dont know why its showing that output, but at least it IS showing output.. it wasnt before so its a step in the right direction

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: lemme get another less verbose debug patch together, now that we're closer to understanding what's up...

[19:04:29]

i_is_cat:

okie dokie

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i_is_cat:

lol my mouse buttons wouldnt let me click on the terminal to close xev i had to use the remote

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1558739

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: refetch that patch, unapply the previous one and apply the new one...

[19:12:05]

j-rod:

run it w/debug=1, gimme output, etc

[19:12:14]

j-rod:

this *might* Just Work(tm)

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i_is_cat:

okie doke...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Humm... well the d/l from SD is definitely working. You sure your xmlid's are set right?

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: please explain xmlid

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Have you ever had listings data working right?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: they mentioned your thread on the podcast

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pjcrux:

yes worked fine till two days ago

[19:15:03]

sphery:

(the DTA encryption one)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: heh, didn't hear that part

[19:15:23]

iamlindoro:

mentioned by name?

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sphery:

around 14mins

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sphery:

no, just the thread

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: But now you have nothing? Are you sure you had listings data for 14 days 2 days ago, or did you just have 1 or 2 days data 2 days ago?

[19:15:55]

pjcrux:

I run mythfilldatabase every friday night

[19:16:16]

pjcrux:

worked fine I could see listings for Sept 11 on friday the 4th

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: btw: You should run it every night, that way you've always got 14 days of data, instead of 14, down to 7, then back up to 14 again...

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: ok

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, completely misunderstood the hdhr multirec (they thought it meant that you can only use one of the physical tuners in hdhr at a time)

[19:17:58]

iamlindoro:

heh, yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: go into mysql (ie: mysql -umythtv -pxxpwxx mythconverg (replace xxpwxx with your DB pw) – then type "select count (*) from program;" – does it come back with a count of several thousand?

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sphery:

(or better, just mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg and don't put the password on the command line)

[19:20:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah, that works too... ;-)

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: I typed the first command and got back "mysql: unknown option '-m'

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: -m? I think you fat-fingered something: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg Then type your password...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: (or maybe you need a space between the -u and mythtv... (sorry if that's the case...)

[19:23:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

Nope, works without a space here... ;-)

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meshe:

istr certain versions of mysql that required a space after -u

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** J-e-f-f-A was just thinking that might be the case... ;-) **

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i_is_cat:

ok this one is no good lol it continuously moves the cursor NW

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i_is_cat:

gimme a sec on pastebin of dmesg

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: is there a standard pw for mysql?

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pjcrux:

I don't ever remember setting one

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: the default for myth is typically mythtv

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pjcrux:

k let me try that then my standard pw's aren't working

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notlistening:

Hi I have reported this bug but an unsure what more information they want? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7003#comment:1

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i_is_cat:

k its http://pastebin.ca/1558763

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Although, if that doesn't work, then it's a randomly-assigned password, which is kept in a mysql.txt file somewhere usually. ;-)

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notlistening:

could someone take a peek?

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Lhorian:

goodnight everybody

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: select count (*) from program comes back with an arrow with no text

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J-e-f-f-A:

you forgot the semicolon. ;-) type ";" then enter

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J-e-f-f-A:

(without the quotes of course)

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: "ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '*) from program mythtv"

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meshe:

select count(*) from program;

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meshe:

no space between count and (*)

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: crap.

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j-rod:

for the record, I hate the older gen soundgraph stuff

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i_is_cat:

mmmm ya im not very fond of it atm either..

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pjcrux:

meshe: J-e-f-f-A; has a count of zero

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: ok, so hold on, lemme do one more debug patch...

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i_is_cat:

k

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meshe:

pjcrux: i was just fixing the mysql statement, i'm not sure what you and Jeff were working on

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pjcrux:

oops sorry thanks anyways meshe

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Greek-Boy:

should mythtv-backend be running on a front-end???

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meshe:

nope

[19:39:07]

meshe:

well

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sphery:

iamlindoro: went back to the DTA encryption thread at about 32mins

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meshe:

unless it's a combined frontend/backend machine

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wagnerrp:

the backend, frontend, and sql server are three completely independent parts of mythtv

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juski:

Greek-Boy: not unless you want to do user jobs & other processing on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and can be run on any machines that are connected over a form of ethernet

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juski:

in which case you'd have to set it up as a slave backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Humm... then it seems you're not getting any listings data into the database. That's not good.

[19:39:47]

iamlindoro:

sphery: God bless you for wasting an hour on that thing-- though the last 15 full minutes are all random music w/ no talking-- wtf?

[19:39:52]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

juski: even then, you shouldnt be running a backend on any machine without a tuner card

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sphery:

I'm still listening--got through 30mins

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Greek-Boy:

juski: ok got it. But its running on my front end. I guess I need to do a bit more reading and get to know my config better...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Double-check that you've got your SD stuff setup properly in mythtv-setup, and login to SD and verify that your proper channels are selected for your listing(s).

[19:40:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wonder about what Dan said previously about the backup/restore scripts

[19:40:23]

juski:

true, but you can set up a dummy tuner card. but then a *dummy* card is still a tuner ;-)

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: ok

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Inaccuracies not making you insane yet?

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sphery:

grating on the nerves

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wagnerrp:

juski: thats still the wrong way to do it, you want to just run mythjobqueue instead

[19:40:53]

juski:

I can't bear to listen to that podcast. I want information not earwigging on a conversation

[19:40:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: FYI... my count comes out to 436073 ... ;-) (I've got > 300 channels with satellite – but that's 14 days of data)

[19:41:02]

wagnerrp:

there is no purpose what-so-ever to a tunerless SBE

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j-rod:

i_is_cat: ok, rinse and repeat

[19:41:13]

sphery:

but overall, not bad from the "users wouldn't likely care about anything more detailed than that"

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i_is_cat:

k

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: all of this is covered on the Executive Overview page on the wiki

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juski:

wagnerrp: since when? last I heard you needed a backend to do that. always looking for new info :)

[19:41:38]

wagnerrp:

im pretty sure ive pointed you at that before

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sphery:

(so if they did have it all accurate, it wouldn't necessarily be "heard" as it's said)

[19:41:55]

wagnerrp:

juski: mythjobqueue existed in 0.21, i believe it existed in 0.20 as well

[19:41:59]

juski:

heh

[19:42:07]

wagnerrp:

but in not certain when exactly it got added

[19:42:25]

juski:

sure I've seen people here mention needing to run MBE for processing stuff. Anyway..

[19:42:35]

juski:

glad to have that cleared up :) Thanks

[19:43:12]

sphery:

mythjobqueue has been around since 0.17

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juski:

didn't even know mythjobqueue existed til now

[19:43:19]

sphery:

so even f-myth-users has it

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wagnerrp:

you still set up mythjobqueue in the same manner as you would a SBE

[19:43:29]

wagnerrp:

aside from not added tuner cards

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sphery:

but it's about 1/10 the memory footprint – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347829#347829

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: I redid all of my listings with schedules direct can you help me with another problem possibly?

[19:45:23]

pjcrux:

and rescanning my inputs

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pjcrux:

sorry tuners

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: perhaps. ;-)

[19:46:39]

pjcrux:

j-e

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pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: I am also having issues getting signal strength from certain channels

[19:47:27]

pjcrux:

channels 2–32 and 60–77 Have a signal strength of 99%

[19:47:41]

pjcrux:

however channels 33–59 drop to 0%

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pjcrux:

any thoughts?

[19:48:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: sounds like your source is cable. Is it the same for all tuners?

[19:48:14]

pjcrux:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: i'd suspect that the cableco has dropped those channels from your lineup then... (whether it's analog or clear-qam)...

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i_is_cat:

http://pastebin.ca/1558781 this time, mouse buttons are still reversed on the remote, and the mouseR acting as the left mouse button only seems to function when it feels like it the dmesg output looks a lot better tho

[19:49:18]

pjcrux:

J-e-f-f-A: I thought the same yet all of my analog tv's can see the channels just fine

[19:49:22]

pjcrux:

but not my tuners

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meshe:

pjcrux: what tuner card are you using?

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pjcrux:

PVR-150 and HVR-1600

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J-e-f-f-A:

pjcrux: Have you hooked up one of those tvs to the same cable that comes to your myth box? Perhaps the cableco has a notch filter on your feed to your myth box for some reason.

[19:51:08]

pjcrux:

my regular tv is off of the same splitter and I done the single cable from the tv (without the splitter) to the cards and it's the same

[19:51:10]

meshe:

pjcrux: don't scan analog, just set up your "video source" and when configuring the card, tell it to get it's lineup from the listings source

[19:51:12]

pjcrux:

no channels

[19:51:29]

pjcrux:

meshe: hmmm... ok

[19:51:34]

pjcrux:

let me try that

[19:51:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though since they keep going back to HDHR dual tuner doesn't work in 0.21-fixes, I was almost considering creating an account to post a reply that it's multirec that was added and dual-tuner usage worked fine in -fixes

[19:51:51]

meshe:

scanning analog has worked well for me in the past, but a lot of times it will not scan properly

[19:51:52]

iamlindoro:

doooo ittttt

[19:52:04]

** J-e-f-f-A 's HDHR works fine in -fixes....... **

[19:52:07]

sphery:

the signing up for the account is what I don't want

[19:52:19]

meshe:

the absolute fastest way to get analog up and running is to let the channels come in from the listings source

[19:52:21]

iamlindoro:

disposable e-mail

[19:53:38]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: you could create an account and leave a reply at http://thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f . . . cd45e31fea80 saying that in 0.21-fixes, dual tuner usage works fine, but in trunk, they've added multirec (recording multiple channels from the same multiple using only one of the tuners in the HDHR)

[19:53:51]

Dagmar:

Scanning analog is problematic because just because the card detects "a signal" doesn't necessarily mean it's a video signal.

[19:54:26]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: would digital 'static' show up as a real channel?

[19:54:40]

Dagmar:

Of course not

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sphery:

composite/S-Video blackness and silence?

[19:55:03]

wagnerrp:

well it would have plenty sufficient power level

[19:55:05]

Dagmar:

A digital card looking at a signal would immediately know if it's just getting garbage or an actual stream

[19:55:18]

wagnerrp:

i mean on an analog card

[19:55:20]

Dagmar:

The power level doesn't matter, it has checksums to look at.

[19:55:48]

wagnerrp:

does an analog card have anything to check but the power level

[19:55:49]

Dagmar:

Oh yes, in that instance an analog card seeing the beacon of a digital stream would think something's there

[19:56:07]

Dagmar:

Nope. Nothin'

[19:56:44]

Dagmar:

Afaik there's not even a way to compute a reasonable sn ratio without knowing for sure that there's actually signal there

[19:56:54]

Dagmar:

...and not just "lots of noise"

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Dagmar:

I mean, other than it's power level would vary wildly

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Dagmar:

HOPEFULLY

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Dagmar:

One FCC-hateful power drill is all it takes to confuse the issue

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I've started the reg process, but it apparently requires 'manual' activation by them... so I won't be able to post until they do that... :-(

[19:58:33]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i have one that lets loose a nice shower of sparks as the brushes rub

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sphery:

hope you make the cut!

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I don't know if I will — I was confused by the "What OS are these forums about?" question, so I just typed "Winblows"... I hope that's right... (Just kidding!)

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sphery:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hopefully my email address, which is real but appears fake, doesn't throw them for a loop... it's "junk_inbox@..." and it's real... ;-)

[20:05:22]

sphery:

heh

[20:05:31]

sphery:

I'm sure they've seen that type of thing from others

[20:06:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: It works very effectively... I get virtually no spam, as most spambots throw it out as a junk email address. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

i would think they would at least try once, and check for a bounce

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Dagmar:

Most will throw out email addresses with + in them as well becasue they know you're probably whitelisting, or at the very least tagging mails so you know where they scraped your address from

[20:08:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I think they look for stuff like "me.nospam@isp.com ", and parse out the ".nospam" to get "me@isp.com " – and they're trying to do something similar to my email and getting a bounce as a result. ;-)

[20:08:47]

Dagmar:

I have recieved exactly zero spams to addresses like that

[20:09:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

In either case, all of my mailing list subs go to a 'dedicated' email address for that purpose, not to my 'real', main address. ;-)

[20:10:12]

wagnerrp:

well what about stuff like 'bob.barker@gmail.com '

[20:10:19]

wagnerrp:

theyre just going to strip out the last name?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: No, probably not – but if they see 'nospam', or perhaps some variant of 'spam', they try to figure out the 'real' address...

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: do you happen to have a fix for the flash stream URL building issue?

[20:14:22]

iamlindoro:

ie the FLV path is being built on the path of the details page, /mythweb/tv/detail/3754/pl/stream/3754/1252414740.flv

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sphery:

iamlindoro: wouldn't that be FRWOP (for an unsupported feature)?

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sphery:

Though I hear MythWeb in 0.22 will have Flash support allowing the use of sites like Hulu and YouTube.

[20:20:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery: no.

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sphery:

(They meant MythBrowser :)

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laga_:

*twitch*

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Gav8in:

Wait, so Myth 0.22 includes Hulu and YouTube in the Recordings menu?

[20:21:14]

Gav8in:

Awsesome!

[20:21:14]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I mean that making the flash stream work/fixing its bugs is a feature request since the feature isn't supported

[20:21:22]

sphery:

Gav8in: better /. it

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Gav8in:

good idea

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sphery:

and while you're at it, you could mention that it uses a us-based proxy to allow access from disallowed regions

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iamlindoro:

Never mind, hacked myself up a fix since sphery would rather browbeat me

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wagnerrp:

great, there will be a 200-post discussion on the meaning of 'Recordings menu', and that we should all just switch to boxee anyway

[20:22:11]

sphery:

iamlindoro: just joking...

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Gav8in:

FIRST

[20:22:46]

** Gav8in grumbles again about hulu unfairly excluding him **

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sphery:

Gav8in: say it works like the Apple Trailers "plugin" and just adds entries to the XML menus for each show/video on Hulu/YouTube

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Gav8in:

i should just change the reverse on my IP already; hulu's geolocator puts all .ca addresses outside of the USA

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meshe:

is that all hulu does for geolocation?

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Gav8in:

i hope they do more; but certainly that's got to be the only thing excluding me

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** meshe loves hulu when i'm on my US connection **

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Gav8in:

i'm on a netblock allocated to Speakeasy for use for residentical broadband in Boston

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meshe:

yay for screwing up third person

[20:27:24]

Gav8in:

but my IP reverses to ytz.ca, so i suspect that's why

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meshe:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

you should complain

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Gav8in:

i have complained, fille dout their "your geolocation is wrong dude" form a few times

[20:28:07]

Gav8in:

nothin.

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Gav8in:

same goes for annualcreditreport.com, that don't work for me and the FTC ignored my complaint

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jrn23:

hi there i have a problem in livetv...after switching to a new channel after the initial channel the pictures gets totally distorted...here is an example http://img179.imageshack.us/i/mythtv.png/ ...also here is a log of the backend http://pastebin.com/m3fcc5e72 ...could someone tell me why this is happening? thanks in advance...

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wagnerrp:

is that part of that ATI bug?

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Gav8in:

hey, annualcrediteport.com is working now! neat.

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sphery:

jrn23: looks like bad video drivers

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sphery:

(not capture card, but video card)

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j-rod:

there, got rid of another dozen "omg, you're casting things of different sizes" compile warnings on x86_64...

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sphery:

jrn23: have you tried playing the other recording (the new recording for the after-channel-change LiveTV) on a different media player (preferrably on a different computer)

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iamlindoro:

j-rod is such a tease

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j-rod:

things are hazy right now... but they will become crystal-clear in the relatively near future... muahahahahaha

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sphery:

jrn23: and, in case it's different, the video drivers on your frontend box are the ones likely messed up

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j-rod:

ooh, I think this means I can finally turn -Wall back on

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sphery:

jrn23: In mythfrontend settings, to to Utilties/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback and on the 3rd screen, change the Playback Profile group to Slim (you probably have CPU+, now).

[20:32:58]

sphery:

that may work even with your current video drivers (but is probaby something you want to do even if you fix the video drivers)

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jrn23:

sphery: unfortunately i played it for a little time and there were no recordings for the time being played...i will try to let it play some longer...i will also try enabling that feature you suggested and also try a different nvidia-driver...currently usiing 185.18.31...any known issues concerning these drivers?

[20:34:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

jeepers... what's the point of a captcha image if they still do manual auths? jeepers, they're slow...

[20:34:50]

sphery:

jrn23: if it's less than 2min, Myth will delete it "immediately"

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jrn23:

sphery: tnx will keep that in mind...

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sphery:

jrn23: Were you using vdpau? If not, use Slim. If so, I can't help.

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jrn23:

sphery: are there any known problems concerning 185.18.31 nvidia-drivers? no vdpau using as my vga doesn't support it...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah... that explains why when I tried to create a sample video of 'scratchy' ivtv video < 2 mins long, it was never there to do a 'dd' copy from afterwards... ;-)

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sphery:

jrn23: I don't know. I'm still using ancient 173.14.12 drivers on most of my systems (and older, more legacy ones on one system with an older card)

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sphery:

yeah, if you want to create short videos using LiveTV, you need to have LiveTV recording them and change the recgroup of the recording... Hitting R tells it to finish recording the show, so you'd have to find another way to do it (can it be done through the M OSD MENU?)

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And4713:

so I have been scouring the wiki here, is there any reason a show would show up as having been recorded, but not on the watch recordings screen

[20:39:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: i think that's what I did (hit "R", then located the filename manually and created a snippet of it...)

[20:39:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: PS: I still haven't experimented with that guy's script and/or the v4l commands to try to eliminate my ivtv scratchy audio issue... (sorry)

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And4713:

nvm

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And4713:

wiki solved it before you :)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: no problem... I haven't looked into getting the scritp changed to an in-mythbackend thing, yet, either

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And4713:

also I should thank the room for being so helpful last night before I forget

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sphery:

And4713: I'm guessing it was the filter on Watch Recordings?

[20:43:08]

sphery:

glad you found it

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dgilmore:

anyone know of a way to work out a VCT_ID for scte65scan without a settop box

[20:43:39]

And4713:

sphery, Im just glad it wasent like yesterday

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sphery:

dgilmore: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan ?

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paperclip:

my pvr-500 has shipped

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sphery:

dgilmore: the bottom has a list

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paperclip:

:D

[20:44:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

the Link KING has struck again! ;-)

[20:44:05]

And4713:

tiny database quirks can take up hours

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dgilmore:

sphery: yeah my area is not in the list

[20:44:17]

sphery:

And4713: what tiny database quirk?

[20:44:29]

sphery:

dgilmore: have a neighbor with a DTA box?

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dgilmore:

sphery: i dont know anyone in the area and have analog only

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meshe:

dgilmore: the boxes are free if you they are doing the transistion in your area

[20:45:11]

meshe:

first 2 are free

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And4713:

it may be a bug in either mysql or mythtv but with certain combinations trans strict can cause channel information to never add

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sphery:

assuming you mean "no digital box" when you say "analog only"

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wagnerrp:

cant you have it do an exhaustive search, and then try to find the lineup that matches yours?

[20:45:41]

dgilmore:

meshe: no idea. i got a letter saying i can stay analog only

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paperclip:

he may mean no DTV

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dustybin:

if anybody is interested in installing Asterisk, i have created a new howto: http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/828

[20:45:48]

sphery:

And4713: yeah, Myth is not designed to work with /any/ strict settings

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: How's FiOS TV working out for you? I've been on the fence about switching, but want to go HD, and with 3 tuners and the movie package, it'll cost about $30 more per month than my current Dish SD setup... and FiOS seems to be raising their prices by $10 every few months... :-(

[20:46:05]

meshe:

sudo apt-get install asterisk

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dgilmore:

sphery: yes no digital box, i have a analog only plan but a hvr-1900 and a hdhomerun on the way

[20:46:20]

wagnerrp:

a 1900? is that the USB stick?

[20:46:22]

sphery:

And4713: see the thread at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/391406#391406

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dgilmore:

wagnerrp: no pci-express card

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meshe:

dgilmore: ahhh, they are forcing our comcast cable over to digital so we got 2 boxes free

[20:46:43]

wagnerrp:

do you mean 1800?

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dgilmore:

wagnerrp: its digital and analog but analog doesnt work

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dustybin:

meshe: apt-get install asterisk on debian is 1.4, its toooooo old.

[20:47:04]

dustybin:

asterisk has too many updates, its a bit like mythtv

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paperclip:

dgilmore: planning on doing a lot of digital recording?

[20:47:17]

dgilmore:

meshe: yuck. here they say i can stay analog as long as i dont change anything on my account

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laga_:

mythtv gets updated? ;)

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And4713:

sphery, heh once discovered its fine, but as an unknown its a whore

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meshe:

dustybin: ahhh, so: install latest ubuntu && sudo apt-get install asterisk

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dgilmore:

paperclip: not really. But i do like football

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laga_:

meshe: backports.org? ;)

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dustybin:

meshe: eeek i dont use ubuntu..

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laga_:

or i'd just backport it myself

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sphery:

And4713: did you completely disable strict modes? (i.e. sql-mode="" ) or did you go to TRADITIONAL?

[20:47:56]

j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: it still works just fine, but yeah, its about to go up another $10/mo.

[20:47:58]

wagnerrp:

dgilmore: have you heard that comcast got their waiver to enable encryption on those boxes

[20:48:06]

sphery:

And4713: just curious as no one really tested anything other than MySQL's default of sql-mode=""

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paperclip:

dgilmore: I have the hdhr.. works really well.. you should be happy

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j-rod:

I'm having a hard time coming to grips with the idea of ditching it for comcast basic tho

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And4713:

I didnt totally blank modes I kept the other two

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dgilmore:

wagnerrp: i did not hear that

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And4713:

which dont have any bearing on strict

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: <yosemite sam voice> Rass-A-Frass-A-.... </yosemite sam voice>

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wagnerrp:

and that the unencrypted extended cable is likely to disappear?

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sphery:

which other 2? by default, MySQL uses none

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And4713:

its working fine at the moment

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sphery:

is yours a Windows box?

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And4713:

well in windows, at least in thew version I have, it had 2 others

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j-rod:

I don't have unencrypted extended cable anyway

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sphery:

(seems that the Windows installer uses strict mode)

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dgilmore:

paperclip: :) cool. do you get content for it over cable?

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meshe:

i thought that those boxes couldn't handle encryption

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sphery:

And4713: yeah, that's what I thought... don't know why it's different on Win

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paperclip:

dgilmore: no.. OTA is much better here..

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And4713:

sphery, they may do it because their user@host permissions are more lenient by default

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sphery:

ahhhh

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sphery:

interesting

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And4713:

I mean I dont know but

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wagnerrp:

meshe: they can handle something called 'privacy mode', but since it is build in and not modular, they are not allowed to use it

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wagnerrp:

at least not until recently when they got a waiver to do so

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sphery:

And4713: if you'd like to patch the Windows installer script to "fix" it, that would be very appreciated by all the other people who try to get it working on Windows

[20:50:04]

And4713:

unlike *nix machines theirs is root localhost only unless changed, and everyone else any host unless changed

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paperclip:

dgilmore: i do have mediocre analog cable.. wondering how long that lasts..

[20:50:15]

dgilmore:

paperclip: OTA here is horrible. some channels come from one location and others another in the opposite direction

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And4713:

oh I probably couldent manage that sphery but it would be easy enough just to make a note of it

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dgilmore:

paperclip: im going to milk it as long as i can

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And4713:

hell if you dont want to you dont even have to restart to change modes

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paperclip:

dgilmore: I'm actually getting some UHF stations from ~80 miles away

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sphery:

And4713: perhaps a comment at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Port ???

[20:51:11]

dgilmore:

paperclip: cool.

[20:51:12]

paperclip:

dgilmore: with an antenna built from some coat hangers

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And4713:

another solution would be to have mythtv change its session mode to non strict each connection

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dgilmore:

paperclip: where are you?

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paperclip:

New Orleans

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dgilmore:

ahh cool

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dgilmore:

im in central illinois

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And4713:

it wont stick globally but it would fix anything happening within each session

[20:51:45]

wagnerrp:

paperclip: i tried one of those... didnt work significantly better than a pair of bunny ears

[20:51:50]

paperclip:

getting nbc from baton rouge at times..

[20:51:59]

dgilmore:

you would think being as flat as it is here id get good OTA

[20:52:09]

paperclip:

wagnerrp: i didn't have bunny ears :)

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sphery:

And4713: yeah, we're considering adding in per-connection mode setting

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meshe:

wagnerrp: hmmm, maybe I should stick with my analog tuners and pipe the output of the new dta's to them instead of buying an hdhr then....

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And4713:

also sphery windows port wouldent be a good place to make that note because Im running mythtv on ubuntu

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sphery:

And4713: mythtv on ubuntu pointing to a Windows MySQL server?

[20:52:48]

wagnerrp:

mesh: better to wait a month or so and see what happens

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And4713:

yes

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paperclip:

actually my channel master cm-7000 locks on more stuff than the hdhr.. but it seems to be the best of the three tuners I've tried

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sphery:

And4713: ahhh, yeah, the windows Port page won't help with that...

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sphery:

And4713: I may add in the sql-mode change... Thanks for reminding me.

[20:53:54]

And4713:

yeah it might reduce certain confusion haha

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meshe:

well, with the stb/analog tuner cards, i have all the hardware necessary except ir blasters so that may be the way to go for now instead of dropping $$'s on a hdhr that may be rendered useless in a few months

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And4713:

another thing to note to people would be when mysql logs get flushed

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paperclip:

meshe: I'm fairly certain ATSC isn't going anywhere

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And4713:

if its set to fsync on every commit filling the database with channel info will take for fucking ever

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meshe:

paperclip: our location is at the base of a mountain, cable is our only tv source

[20:55:20]

paperclip:

meshe: :(

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wagnerrp:

meshe: broadcast TV retransmitted over QAM isnt going anywhere

[20:55:42]

meshe:

and we get full comcast basic cable for $7/mo

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J-e-f-f-A:

My HD3000, HVR-950 and HVR-1250 all lock on better than my HDHR... :-( (to ATSC anyways)

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paperclip:

that's reasonable

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jams:

And4713- please watch your language

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wagnerrp:

you will get the local 'must carry' stations even with your current cable plan

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And4713:

oh is that taboo jams, np

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jams:

we try to keep it somewhat decent/clean around here

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paperclip:

J-e-f-f-A: i get everything I'm supposed to with the exception of one week station .. the WB

[20:57:29]

meshe:

yeah, they can't encrypt that, forgot about that, but cheap stb -> pvr-x50 will record all of our channels

[20:57:49]

And4713:

sphery, in case you were curious, select @@sql_mode = NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER,NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION

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wagnerrp:

or at least shroud the innuendo such that you dont have a right to be offended if you understand it

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** paperclip hopes that people eventually get a clue and beg stations to drop the bulk of the 480i stuff **

[20:59:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I was getting everything clear until the june digital switch, then signal levels seemed to drop a little bit, and thus I was actually getting less reliable, if not un-usable signal on the HDHR. I put up the antenna 4' higher and everything went from 40% marginal signal to 75–80%... and HDHR has been fine now.

[20:59:11]

meshe:

i'm going to pick up a cable co supplied pvr for HD until i can put together the hardware to deal with HD

[20:59:32]

sphery:

And4713: do you remember which one you removed?

[20:59:44]

And4713:

yeah trans strict

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: But the other tuners work just fine on the antenna that's still down 4' lower... that the HDHR was having major problems with. (new antenna has same UHF characteristics, but also has VHF as I have one station that's VHF)

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sphery:

And4713: cool... thanks for the info

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paperclip:

I'm getting pretty solid signal except for the NBC from baton rouge.. it's usually 55–70 during the day.. better at night..

[21:00:24]

And4713:

more specifically

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sphery:

(much easier than setting up a windows box to do a windows install of mysql)

[21:00:30]

And4713:

TRANS_STRICT_TABLES

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And4713:

oops

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And4713:

STRICT_TRANS_TABLES

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sphery:

yeah

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** paperclip hopes the pvr-500 is better than the tuner in his flat panel **

[21:01:21]

paperclip:

analog cable here is pretty grainy..

[21:01:28]

And4713:

paperclip, oh you lucky I want one of those

[21:01:44]

sphery:

And4713: the 2 you have left won't be a problem--and, in truth, we should probably force NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION

[21:01:44]

paperclip:

And4713: they are pretty cheap on ebay now..

[21:01:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I've actually never used the analog tuner in my PVR-350/250/150/500's... just used the encoders with S-Video feeds from sat boxes...

[21:01:57]

paperclip:

And4713: like $37.50 delivered..

[21:02:06]

And4713:

oh crap where

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** And4713 googles feverently **

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J-e-f-f-A:

And4713: ebay ... and there was a link posted the other day for an online retailer – $39 iirc... (looking)

[21:02:50]

And4713:

only one caveat did it come with a PCI backplate

[21:02:53]

And4713:

or that strange one

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paperclip:

And4713: the mounting bracket is funky.. but i think Hauppage will supply you with one..

[21:03:06]

paperclip:

And4713: yes.. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ yeah, that's the one. Just don't tell the seller that, or he'll raise the price... ;-)

[21:04:00]

paperclip:

same company sells for $5 more on their own website..

[21:04:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Still waiting to be activated... At this rate, I might be able to post a reply this week... :-(

[21:05:03]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

might have to post it on ep 8

[21:05:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[21:05:55]

And4713:

funnily enough a single tuner is fine until you get something like this working

[21:06:08]

And4713:

then all of a sudden its "I DEMAND 8 TUNERS"

[21:06:12]

paperclip:

so.. i was reading over the 0.22 change log... how do you "surf" with multiple sources in 0.21+ ? i.e. ATSC and mpeg2 cards?

[21:06:29]

sphery:

yeah, my myth started small and has grown to a huge monster (compared to what I really /need/)

[21:06:43]

sphery:

but it was worth every penny/minute of it

[21:07:06]

And4713:

Im just tired of like, not having TVs in certian rooms, and yet my laptop can be right there

[21:07:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: You pull up the guide... or use the 'menu' button to select a different tuner. Or just surf one source, then the other... but 'surfing' is pointless in Myth anyways, due to the 3-sec buffer fill delay.

[21:07:39]

paperclip:

so the guide is still populated with both sources..

[21:07:45]

paperclip:

whew

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: Better to get out of the habit of 'channel surfing' and us it for what it's meant for – a video recorder.

[21:08:10]

sphery:

paperclip: I think you mean the "Allow browsing across sources" (not exact words, but something to that effect) setting

[21:08:11]

paperclip:

i used the guide now..

[21:08:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: yes. Just when you hit 'channel up" or "channel down", you'll only get channels on the same source in 0.21

[21:08:30]

sphery:

paperclip: it can be enabled to allow browse mode to show you channels only available on other sources or other inputs

[21:08:43]

sphery:

(think it might be "Allow browsing across inputs" actually)

[21:08:54]

sphery:

but it slows things down on channel change

[21:08:59]

sphery:

so it's disabled by default

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah, something like that...

[21:09:12]

paperclip:

hmm

[21:10:10]

paperclip:

sounds kludgy.. guess i'll just wait and see..

[21:10:43]

** iamlindoro so enjoys when people who have never so much as poked the source say what's kludgy **

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And4713:

why would happuage supply a plate paperclip they aldready discontinued it

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paperclip:

it sounds kludgy :P

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iamlindoro:

and using liveTV sounds clueless

[21:11:31]

iamlindoro:

now everyone has an opinion, yay!

[21:11:50]

laga_:

imveryho, not being able to surf channels across inputs was a bad idea

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And4713:

I happen to like live tv thank you very much

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i_is_cat:

yay for opinions

[21:11:53]

paperclip:

And4713: they probably have crap like that laying around.. especially since HP already paid for the cards

[21:12:21]

paperclip:

I don't use liveTV .. and it still isn't making sense to me

[21:12:38]

i_is_cat:

i use livetv and i like livetv

[21:12:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: The only thing I use "LiveTV" for is testing new tuners and/or channel change scripts. Other than that, 99.9% of what I watch is scheduled recordings. That's what myth was designed for, and excels in...

[21:12:57]

** AndyCap uses livetv, and doesn't mind 3 seconds change time. **

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paperclip:

and the other .01% was football

[21:13:11]

AndyCap:

depending on how lucky I am.

[21:13:25]

i_is_cat:

but the comment about surfing is true, you cant surf with ch+/ch- very well because of the buffer, but browse mode is cool and i like the guide..

[21:14:13]

paperclip:

i do watch liveTV.. i just don't surf live.. i use the guide..

[21:14:13]

** sphery assumes AndyCap doesn't mind watching whatever drivel is currently airing instead of the things he told myth to record because he actually /wants/ to watch them, either **

[21:14:13]

Dibblah:

If only there was a way to get Radio Times to _stop_ doing "mini-reviews" as the first aired description.

[21:14:14]

i_is_cat:

altho i have to say, even on my remote frontend, changing the channels in trunk is noticeably faster than 0.21-fixes

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and he doesn't get the benefit of commercial flagging... I hardly ever see commercials anymore... ;-)

[21:14:31]

paperclip:

speaking of radio

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sphery:

commercials?

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paperclip:

pvr-500 has an FM tuner too..

[21:14:46]

And4713:

commercials are when I get snacks and make food haha

[21:14:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Exactly! ;-)

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And4713:

at least currently

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paperclip:

can i just dd that for some special events?

[21:15:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

And4713: If you used Myth as designed, you'd never see them... ;-)

[21:15:18]

Dibblah:

"When Jamie Oliver was little he'd dream of being a cowboy: herding cattle, sleeping under the stars and cooking beans on a camp fire. Funny that, I imagined he'd have dreamt about lobster ravioli and Michelin stars. This week, Oliver's in rain-sodden Wyoming"...

[21:15:19]

paperclip:

and would that mess with myth's access to the card?

[21:15:25]

sphery:

paperclip: there's no MythFM, anymore... no one in an area with useful FM cared enough to implement it properly (or even update the old/not-proper MythFM pulugin)

[21:15:32]

And4713:

but I dont anyway because Im using the stove, taking a piss, etc

[21:15:41]

sphery:

paperclip: if you do use it, you need to ensure you tell Myth the tuner is in use and it can't use it

[21:15:44]

i_is_cat:

myth doesnt flag all the commercials on all the channels.. i've had it miss quite a few quite often actually

[21:15:46]

And4713:

or talking to people on the internet as now

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i_is_cat:

most of the time it works but not always

[21:15:56]

Dibblah:

Yeay, we really care for your over verbose wordage. If you're going to do that, can you *at least* delimit it, or use it ALL the time?

[21:15:56]

sphery:

paperclip: you can do that by locking the tuner or using EXECTV to start your script that dd's

[21:16:12]

paperclip:

ok.. i'll google..

[21:16:16]

AndyCap:

sphery: we have far better drivel than the US. :P

[21:16:37]

sphery:

yeah, probably true

[21:16:44]

And4713:

paperclip, I envy you because I could not get within pci audio to detect

[21:16:53]

And4713:

and that 500 will do exactly that

[21:17:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

i_is_cat: Granted, it's not 100% accurate, but it's roughly 95% accurate for me... which is great. I LOVE being able to watch a 1-hr program in 40 mins, without any increased playback rate.

[21:17:02]

paperclip:

hopefully..

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sphery:

in the US, we have 21hrs of garbage and 3hrs of primetime that has some interesting stuff :)

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paperclip:

we have a few really good public stations with lots of live feeds from festivals

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And4713:

discovery channel

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And4713:

watch time warp in HD

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wagnerrp:

sphery: and depending on the channel, about 10 hours to pick up reruns you may have missed or had a bad recording

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And4713:

it looks amazing

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sphery:

(not counting, of course, the 1hr of non-Primetime each day that will be broadcast on NBC this season :)

[21:18:11]

paperclip:

who knew the today show was so long..

[21:18:35]

sphery:

wagnerrp: true, and for those of us who have more space than we know what to do with, a couple hours in the middle of the night for recording /very/ old, cut-for-TV movies

[21:19:06]

AndyCap:

that reminds me. I have to do something about the duplicate show detection. (meaning the broken EPG data I get)

[21:19:10]

sphery:

paperclip: I meant 1hr of non-Primetime during primetime...

[21:20:03]

paperclip:

i'm amazed at the amount of new stuff being produced that isn't 16:9

[21:20:12]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well you know... FOX has been running news in that timeslot for years

[21:20:23]

wagnerrp:

paperclip: like what?

[21:20:44]

AndyCap:

paperclip: like really not in 16:9 or just your lousy provider can't be arsed to do it right?

[21:20:45]

paperclip:

Craig Kilborne was going on recently about how they just are now in HD

[21:21:04]

wagnerrp:

thats a talk show, who cares about that being in WS format

[21:21:08]

paperclip:

i'll make a list and report back..

[21:21:23]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: people with plasma screens? :P

[21:21:25]

paperclip:

heh

[21:21:36]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I hadn't even put that 2 and 2 together...

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paperclip:

this non-primetime stuff is Jay Leno?

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AndyCap:

what really irks me is stuff like discovery being broadcast in 4:3 with letterboxed 16:9 content in it

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paperclip:

not looking forward to that..

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paperclip:

AndyCap: at least that will zoom and fill the screen..

[21:22:48]

AndyCap:

eew.

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i imagine thats more to do with your cableco than Discovery

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And4713:

paperclip, I dont see anywhere where they provide that

[21:23:17]

paperclip:

And4713: "w" key :)

[21:23:26]

And4713:

?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, I dunno. I suspect discovery nordic

[21:23:46]

paperclip:

er.. that was for AndyCap

[21:23:53]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: since it affects more than one provider. :(

[21:24:00]

And4713:

haha spoken order completion

[21:24:01]

AndyCap:

paperclip: sure, and so will youtube.

[21:24:59]

paperclip:

AndyCap: I didn't say it was HD or anything.. just that it will at least fill the screen without loosing anything

[21:25:00]

AndyCap:

Ah, the Discovery Normay channel. I see quality is pervasive. http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/no/?channel . . . guage_code=N

[21:26:08]

paperclip:

oh.. escapologist

[21:26:59]

paperclip:

why is the program guide the only bit in spanish?

[21:28:50]

wagnerrp:

is it normal for IPS screens to have a memory?

[21:29:17]

wagnerrp:

i mean you have something on screen for a few minutes, it will stay for 20–30 seconds after you remove it

[21:29:49]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: time to turn up the heat? :P

[21:30:14]

wagnerrp:

the heat?

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AndyCap:

as in: I've only seen that outside in freezing temperatures. :P I'm not going to promise that it was an IPS panel though

[21:32:04]

wagnerrp:

nah, this is a apple cinema in a ~75F server room

[21:33:57]

paperclip:

so.. where are the hacks/plugins that allow you to run other programs from within myth.. like firefox or neverball

[21:34:12]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I haven't seen ghosting for 20–30 seconds on an cinema display.

[21:34:26]

AndyCap:

paperclip: in your head waiting to be turned into xml?

[21:34:50]

paperclip:

ahh

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: did you turn the display off, or just change the display?

[21:35:16]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: ipf?

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paperclip:

i've seen reference to people launching the B-word from myth

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kormoc:

*IPS?

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iamlindoro:

Byatches

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kormoc:

paperclip: why would you say that? really man...

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AndyCap:

kormoc: in panel switching or something like that

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laga_:

iamlindoro: language! ;))

[21:36:03]

paperclip:

kormoc: wah?

[21:36:04]

iamlindoro:

*cough*, I mean, By patches!

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kormoc:

laga_: don't like Binary Yodeling Apple-Teal Colored High English Sounds?

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laga_:

wtf

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laga_:

(short for "what a fail")

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ups http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2807?viewlocale=en_US

[21:37:13]

kormoc:

paperclip: by saying 'The B word' you know it's a banned topic in here, there's no need to say it at all

[21:37:30]

paperclip:

hah..

[21:37:51]

paperclip:

i've witnessed others speaking about it..

[21:37:56]

paperclip:

i being silly..

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paperclip:

*was*

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laga_:

AndyCap: "persistence"? wow. they make it sound great.

[21:38:07]

laga_:

i want more persistence

[21:38:12]

AndyCap:

laga_: me too.

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kormoc:

AndyCap: wagnerrp, my 19" LCD gets image persistence after around 10 minutes of a static image, my screen is a mess of ghost

[21:38:23]

iamlindoro:

Boxee isn't disallowed, it's just off-topic and we prefer that people who want to talk about it take it to their support channels

[21:38:24]

AndyCap:

I'll stop short of permanece though

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kormoc:

laga_: I'll trade you lcds!

[21:38:41]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: thank you, I was wondering what on earth the illicit B word was.

[21:38:47]

iamlindoro:

heh

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laga_:

kormoc: no, i'm very happy with my setup

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AndyCap:

Belgium!

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paperclip:

iamlindoro: i'm looking to run neverball..

[21:39:04]

paperclip:

sheesh

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kormoc:

paperclip: so add in a entry into the menu xml that executes neverball?

[21:39:19]

jams:

paperclip- so setup mythgame

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jams:

it allows for that sort of thing

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paperclip:

just reading up on mythgame

[21:39:35]

iamlindoro:

W/ a bit of luck our metadata handling and UI stuff will rival any other software for .23ish

[21:39:37]

kormoc:

or that

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kormoc:

and by 0.24, it will take over the WORLD!

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paperclip:

kormoc: oh is that when the gnome port will be done?

[21:40:15]

paperclip:

:P

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** kormoc dies a little inside **

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paperclip:

i was only kidding..

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paperclip:

g word!

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iamlindoro:

I don't even know what a gnome port would entail

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: replace QT with GTK

[21:41:18]

iamlindoro:

how does one port something that has no particular reliance on any Window Manager to a Window Manager?

[21:41:26]

iamlindoro:

well that's different ;)

[21:41:29]

iamlindoro:

and no thanks

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AndyCap:

paperclip: neverball?, no no, you should run trackballs

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paperclip:

trackballs?

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paperclip:

neverball is sweet.. keeps me from firing up the wii

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kormoc:

AndyCap: so he should never run neverball?

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AndyCap:

kormoc: correct.

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AndyCap:

:)

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kormoc:

neverball looks like a marble arena clone

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AndyCap:

marble madness ftw!

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paperclip:

monkey ball

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AndyCap:

neverball will only lead to birdies.

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paperclip:

oh.. trackballs is full of win

[21:45:15]

paperclip:

trackballs-music is like 5 times bigger than trackballs-data

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paperclip:

not a good sign

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reyes:

dsp is OSS right?

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reyes:

I am trying to pin down the sound issue

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reyes:

mplayer works with jack output but mythtv is silent with different configurations.

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paperclip:

neverball ftw

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reyes:

what's /dev/mixer?

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clever:

reyes: thats the mixer device for OSS

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f0urtyfive:

lol anyone need an infra red receiver?

[21:55:49]

f0urtyfive:

freaking 0.95$ and I only need one :( shipping is going to be like 10x the cost

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clever:

lol ouch

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reyes:

ok

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paperclip:

f0urtyfive: i need one..

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paperclip:

ordering from HK?

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f0urtyfive:

nah just from mouser

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f0urtyfive:

just the receiver IC

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paperclip:

oh.. just the IC

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paperclip:

pass

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f0urtyfive:

heh

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paperclip:

won't they send you a "sample"

[22:00:03]

f0urtyfive:

too much hassle

[22:00:07]

paperclip:

ahh..

[22:00:11]

f0urtyfive:

might as well just buy it and find some other crap to buy

[22:00:20]

f0urtyfive:

I do need some caps and diodes...

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paperclip:

i don't understand why the usb receivers aren't cheap and plentiful.. they should be a couple of dollars from China..

[22:01:07]

reyes:

oh, where you get caps? My nvidia card recently died due to several caps busted

[22:01:41]

f0urtyfive:

reyes: mouser.com is where I'm buying from

[22:02:03]

paperclip:

busted a cap in your nvidia card, eh?

[22:02:47]

reyes:

high quality caps?

[22:02:51]

paperclip:

it's rough out there

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reyes:

yep, I kept hearing POP POP. After enquiring on freenode I was tord some caps explode.

[22:03:45]

f0urtyfive:

Yes

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f0urtyfive:

it was a big scandal back a few years ago

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reyes:

I got three /dev/mixer

[22:04:05]

f0urtyfive:

some Chinese cap maker tried to rip off a cap design from another chinese company

[22:04:09]

f0urtyfive:

and they got something wrong

[22:04:20]

f0urtyfive:

and made/sold millions of caps with a bad formula

[22:04:26]

f0urtyfive:

that boils over after extended use

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reyes:

I hope they went bankrupt

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reyes:

do I need passthrough?

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reyes:

I am troubleshooting my sound

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reyes:

or perhaps start JACK with capture card from the tuner?

[22:06:07]

reyes:

mplayer doesn't need anything special

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reyes:

is quite cool see tv like this :)

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wagnerrp:

f0urtyfive: cant you just pick one up at radio shack?

[22:08:40]

f0urtyfive:

wagnerrp: I tried, they didnt have any IR recievers

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f0urtyfive:

I think "The Shack" no longer carries such things

[22:09:06]

f0urtyfive:

they just have simple crap, the caps and resistors

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reyes:

anybody?

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paperclip:

mythui looks really nice :)

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reyes:

how do I tell which /dev/dsp belongs to my tuner?

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paperclip:

sphery: so I've located the bits about using EXECTV from the menu... i'm not quite sure how I would use this with cron

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paperclip:

reyes: logs? dmesg?

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paperclip:

reyes: lsdev?

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clever:

lshw

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reyes:

w00t lsdev

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paperclip:

lshw works well

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paperclip:

doesn't actually list any non filesystem /dev tho

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j-rod:

turns out I suck at keeping secrets. oh well.

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reyes:

on the card options only /dev/dspX shows up. And three of them

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reyes:

NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' p

[22:45:26]

reyes:

rofiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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reyes:

NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

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** reyes through aplay **

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** reyes pipes through aplay **

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reyes:

ok I have mythtv running silently and on a separate screen I do arecord -D hw:1,0 -f dat | aplay

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sphery:

paperclip: EXECTV is only interactive. For non-interactive use, you'd need to use a script (which uses either the Perl or Python bindings) to send a LOCK_TUNER command to the backend. If wagnerrp has automated LOCK_TUNER usage, that would be the best way. If not, perhaps you could add support to the bindings for using it (especially if you need to get a specific tuner, using the trunk-only support from ...

[22:59:25]

sphery:

... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 93369#393369 , which involves several protocol requests). The simple (any tuner works) approach is to just send LOCK_TUNER and use the info returned (status, videodevice, audiodevice, and vbidevice) to set up your FM recording. If status <0, an error occured (-2 = already locked, -1 = general error).

[23:00:05]

paperclip:

ok.. thanks

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sphery:

other than that, you could try using a hack with telnet control of a frontend and EXECTV, but that will require the script to execute as long as the tuner is in use and the frontend will be "locked" in that script during that time.

[23:00:44]

paperclip:

the bindings sound much cleaner..

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

perl bindings won't help much--you'd be doing low-level programming

[23:01:14]

sphery:

python has a /lot/ more high-level stuff, but I don't know if they support LOCK_TUNER, yet

[23:01:42]

sphery:

if not, though, it's probably easier to modify the python ones using wagnerrp's other "high-level" functions as a template for doing the new one

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paperclip:

I'm shocked the python stuff wouldn't be ready.. looks like LOCK_TUNER was checked in over two weeks ago :)

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sphery:

actually, LOCK_TUNER has been there for years--the 2 week old stuff is just allowing you to specifically ask for a certain tuner

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paperclip:

ahh

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paperclip:

i guess i need to figure out how the tv tuners and the fm tuner relate and how they are presented to myth..

[23:05:31]

sphery:

with that approach, you need to use things like GET_FREE_RECORDER_COUNT (to see if any are free) and GET_FREE_RECORDER_LIST (to see which are free), and then LOCK_TUNER <cardid> (to actually lock it) once you decide which tuner

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sphery:

might also need to do a GET_FREE_RECORDER in there somewhere, but I don't know for sure whether LOCK_TUNER replaces that if doing LOCK_TUNER <cardid>

[23:06:13]

paperclip:

AFAIK there is only one FM tuner, and I don't even know if it conflicts with the analog tv tuners..

[23:06:24]

sphery:

yeah, it definitely conflicts

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paperclip:

ahh

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sphery:

at least on all ivtv devices

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sphery:

and on any single-tuner card where the TV is using the tuner

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Gav8in:

OK, I'm this close ---><--- to getting SD

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Gav8in:

my EIT just stopped working this evening, alas.

[23:07:20]

paperclip:

i wonder if an xml scraper might work

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sphery:

though there may be some cards that have separate paths for those using S-Video/Composite, I seriously doubt it

[23:07:47]

sphery:

Gav8in: best $20/yr I ever spent!

[23:08:18]

Gav8in:

But my new antenna is working great! I lost two channels (one spanish, one german), but I gained solid reception on channels I actually watch.

[23:08:19]

paperclip:

it is pretty reasonable..

[23:08:46]

sphery:

for only $0.06, you can have a day of listings...

[23:09:11]

paperclip:

i wish FTA sat was more practical here

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Gav8in:

well, count me as among people who say the ClearSTream 4 works.

[23:10:02]

Gav8in:

It's working great for me

[23:10:08]

Gav8in:

although I suspect an SR15 would also have done fine

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sphery:

(though if you're a real cheapskate who values $1 more than your own time, you could sign up for the free 1-week trial and get 13 days of listings for 7 days, then after 20 days (when you're down to 1 day of listings left), subscribe for 1 year, then at the end of the year, wait 11 or 12 days after the expiration (when you're down to 1 or 2 days listings left) to resubscribe)

[23:10:58]

reyes:

I think this is a mythtv issue

[23:11:11]

Gav8in:

My EIT not working though annoys me, and I may well fire up a debugger.

[23:11:45]

Gav8in:

I feel bad for making fun of myth's IO today, and I think repentance might be to clean up at least part of the code.

[23:12:10]

reyes:

why would mythtv not have sound when everything else in the system can? I can listen to the tvtuner with mplayer aplay etc...

[23:12:23]

paperclip:

sphery: they already add your sub after your trial.. so you are only gaining a week at the beginning

[23:12:40]

paperclip:

sphery: if you plan your holiday just right..

[23:13:02]

paperclip:

any elective surgery

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sphery:

Gav8in: I think the SR-15 wouldn't be too useful for getting Myth listings--unless, of course, you know where SD officers live ( http://www.impactguns.com/store/kmc_sr15.html )

[23:14:08]

sphery:

reyes: what type of tuner? bttv-based?

[23:14:30]

dashcloud:

when scanning for clearqam channels, do I need a second schedulesdirect lineup if I want to use it to provide guide data for the channels I've found? (or can I just point it to the same lineup my analog tuner uses?)

[23:14:34]

sphery:

reyes: your audio configuration in Myth is wrong

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paperclip:

dashcloud: they are on different channels...

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sphery:

dashcloud: you may reuse the Schedules Direct lineup (though probably shouldn't--more on that later), but you /must/ have a different video source

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dashcloud:

I do a different video source- I learned that the hard way (thankfully I was able to use the backup I made for just such an occasion)

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Gav8in:

Heh

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sphery:

dashcloud: you probably don't want the same SD lineup because a) what paperclip said, b) the channels may have different content, c) for analog sources, mythfilldatabase will automatically add new channels from your SD lineup, so if you have channels on digital you don't have on analog, they'll be added

[23:17:16]

Gav8in:

Did you know myth's IO isn't EINTR safe? It's true!

[23:17:19]

Gav8in:

PANIC!

[23:17:26]

Gav8in:

well, some of myth's IO isn't EINTR safe.

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sphery:

Gav8in: trunk?

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Gav8in:

trunk!

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reyes:

sphery: is a Pinnacle i800

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sphery:

if so, the lots of changes to the socket code may have something to do with that

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sphery:

reyes: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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reyes:

module cx88 with cx88-alsa

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Gav8in:

and it maybe that i'm not reading it right, I haven't actually tested it in a debugger to see the failure

[23:18:35]

sphery:

reyes: but check out your Audio output device and Mixer device... they /must/ be matched appropriately... I.e. ALSA:default for both or /dev/dsp for output and /dev/mixer for mixer (possibly with trailing numbers)

[23:18:38]

Gav8in:

i just read some code today during compiles; and there's going to be fewer of those, as I crossed the C<->LISP barrier today in my hacking, so no more slow compiles for me.

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sphery:

reyes: and your capture card setup /must/ specify a proper audio input device

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dashcloud:

Is it possible my sharing of the schedulesdirect lineup with both video sources is causing this: http://pastebin.com/d43e91f24 (which is not letting me get into LiveTV to fix up the rest of my digital channels)

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sphery:

dashcloud: that's usually something else...

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sphery:

dashcloud: you can use the mythtv-setup channel editor to fix up channels, too--even if they're really broken

[23:22:22]

sphery:

though it's possible that your sharing is contributing to the something else that's causing that

[23:22:59]

dashcloud:

so I should probably restore from my backup before I added my new device? (and try again to add the device then?)

[23:24:23]

sphery:

before doing that, I'd probably do the Delete all video sources approach

[23:24:31]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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dashcloud:

okay

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gbee:

juski: thought you'd get a kick from this – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8241509.stm

[23:26:42]

gbee:

pot, meet kettle?

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meshe:

very nice :)

[23:31:02]

reyes:

do I run mythbackend as root or as user?

[23:31:37]

Dagmar:

Depends

[23:31:42]

Dagmar:

If you're lazy, root.

[23:31:59]

Dagmar:

If you wanna make certain it has read-write to everywhere it'll try to and all your tuner and sound devices, you can do that too

[23:32:15]

Dagmar:

If you're OCD, apparmor and a chroot

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reyes:

my bad!! is mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

RUn it as whoeever you're running the frontend as

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Dagmar:

It'll write some files you'll want the frontend to be able to find without a hassle later

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Dagmar:

Well, one file at least.

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sphery:

actually, mythtv-setup should be the same user as the backend

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sphery:

since mythtv-setup checks permissions of (backend) storage-group directories

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sphery:

if you use the frontend user, it may not alert you to permissions issues

[23:38:57]

sphery:

but if you're sure they're right, using the frontend user isn't bad (and will create a nice ~/.mythtv/config.xml for you--so maybe run it once as each user :)

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dashcloud:

if I'd like to add a storage group (when I previously didn't have one), does it matter when I add it (before I re-add the cards and everything, or after everything?)

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sphery:

doesn't matter

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sphery:

all that matters is that you have a valid Default storage group before you run mythbackend

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sphery:

(i.e. Default must have at least one valid directory with proper permissions)

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rsevero:

My mythbackend is listening at 0.0.0.0. How can I set it to listen only on the internal address?

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kormoc:

ipchains/iptables

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rsevero:

kormoc: You mean mythtvbackend always listens at 0.0.0.0 and I should block it's ports at the unnecessary addresses with iptables?

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kormoc:

afaik, aye, that's how it does

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kormoc:

%s/does/works

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rsevero:

Ok. It's strange but can be done. Thanks for your attention.

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gbee:

a net facing machine should be firewalled anyway

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jams:

never unstood why people feel the need to give a myth box a public ip

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jams:

understood

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gbee:

having mythbackend on a net facing box is certainly a bad idea, although possibly unavoidable if you are short of funds/hardware

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rsevero:

Think the other way around: I have only one server and it has a public ip. This server is where I'm putting my mythtvbackend.

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jams:

bah..any decent home router can do a port forward

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gbee:

but you should never, ever have a net facing box which isn't firewalled and exposing as few services as possible on the net facing connection

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iamlindoro:

http://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+to+myt . . . nt=firefox-a

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iamlindoro:

Wheeee!

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gbee:

jams: true, even I grew up and bought a router a couple of years ago

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reyes:

sphery: I get this NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

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jams:

hehe

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rsevero:

gbee: You are right. Besides firewalling it with iptables, which is already done by default I wanted to make mythtv not to listen at some address at all but it isn't absolutely necessary. Only desirable ;)

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jams:

rsevero- what you suggest isn't a bad idea.but i suspect it's pretty darn low on the feature list

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rsevero:

jams: I believe so.

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rsevero:

And I won't argue it should go up.

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rsevero:

I just wanted to know if it wasn't already there.

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clever:

gbee: i just made a router with iptables and 2 NIC's

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clever:

alot more control over what it does

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gbee:

clever: yeah ... like I said, I grew up and bought a hardware router

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gbee:

and saved the environment, or something

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clever:

my linksys hardware router is toast, and the dlink cant forward as many ports as i need

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clever:

and the new 'router' in my dsl modem has been basterdized by the custom ISP firmware

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clever:

80% of the config pages are missing

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clever:

i dont think its capable of even forwarding ports on its own anymore

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