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Wednesday, September 2nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend sans Xv is not fun

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paperclip:

what hardware acceleration would that be?

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kormoc:

he's talking just the backend

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kormoc:

which could work, if the IO can handle it

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wagnerrp:

oh... backend, yeah

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paperclip:

i think it can

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wagnerrp:

if big enough machine and that would work

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wagnerrp:

but why?

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wagnerrp:

the backend is tied to the hardware

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wagnerrp:

its not like you can migrate the backend around

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paperclip:

i'd just like to keep it separated from things..

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: in his case, he could, nfs mount the data store, hdhome run is network based

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wagnerrp:

then use a vserver, or some other form of container

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gbee:

I'm still trying to deal with the realisation that 2Tb might not be enough when 12 months ago I was certain that I didn't need to upgrade beyond my then 320Gb setup

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paperclip:

I think i'll go for it..

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kormoc:

hd for the lose (of cash?)

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i remember when my old 1.5TB array was big

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wagnerrp:

that was just 3 years ago

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paperclip:

i'm going to need to fun a couple of vboxes.. webserver/development environment.. and mythtv backend..

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** paperclip thinks he may need to get a gigabit router **

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paperclip:

and more ram for the server..

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: unless you need to easily migrate between hardware, or need to run a separate kernel/OS on the guest machine.... virtualization is overkill

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wagnerrp:

as is a gigabit router (assuming you dont have an OC12 to your house)

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gbee:

so I've started recording HD with filesizes approaching 10Gb/hr and I've also started to keep a sizable store of films and the odd TV series, that wasn't something I imagined doing a year ago but still the rate at which I'm burning through this 2Tb is depressing

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: well.. i'm for sure going to need more ram!!

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wagnerrp:

gbee: do what that guy on the -users list suggested, start recompressing them to 720p asp @ 2mbps

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: i figure that virtualization will save me from finding a way to back up everything on the server if i decide to reinstall..

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gbee:

eww .... EWW

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paperclip:

i suppose i could most likely keep one of the 80gb drives on for the OS/myth

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: build your containers properly, strip them down so only what you need is running

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paperclip:

containers? partitions?

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wagnerrp:

ive got about half a dozen fully sandboxed containers running on my system, on 2GB of memory with plenty to spare

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paperclip:

or are you trying to help me with virtualization..

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wagnerrp:

containers, its like chroot on steroids

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paperclip:

i have 512mb

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wagnerrp:

freebsd jails, linux vservers, etc...

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paperclip:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

instead of a dedicated file system, you have a dedicated memory partition and kernel space

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paperclip:

and this is superior to virtualbox?

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wagnerrp:

its effectively a separate system, with no virtualization

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wagnerrp:

meaning theres no overhead

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wagnerrp:

aside from increased memory usage

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paperclip:

hmm

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paperclip:

so you would install the whole distro in a container?

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wagnerrp:

unless you NEED to run a different OS on the guest, or be able to easily migrate between heterogeneous hardware, there is no reason to use virtualization

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: you can do whatever you see fit

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paperclip:

i see..

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paperclip:

going to have to look into that..

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wagnerrp:

apache runs on a full system install, bind runs little more than the executable and shared libraries

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wagnerrp:

its like 20MB for the whole 'system'

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paperclip:

so you are just sandboxing segments off..

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wagnerrp:

basically

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paperclip:

not a whole new install for each..

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paperclip:

just saying bind is running here

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paperclip:

and it has it's own ip?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

it can be a new install for each, it can be just the handful of files you need to run your application

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** kormoc just chroot jails bind **

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wagnerrp:

each on its own dedicated IP

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wagnerrp:

basically, i started doing this when my X/gnome install got goobered up on my server

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wagnerrp:

i had to basically wipe the whole system to fix it

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wagnerrp:

which included reinstalling all those servers

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paperclip:

sounds good..

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sphery:

gotta love a mid-commit power fail that kills your working copy

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wagnerrp:

with containers, i can wipe the base system, i can wipe individual containers, or swap them out at will

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sphery:

fortunately it's all recreatable

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wagnerrp:

with the rest unaffected

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paperclip:

but in the interest of keeping my learning curve manageable I'm thinking about using a fifth drive for OS/myth.. and the raid strictly for storage..

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wagnerrp:

running the OS and SQL server on a separate disk, or at least separate partition, is advised

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sphery:

separate filesystem, too

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wagnerrp:

partition/filesystem

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sphery:

(i.e. if cat'ing partitions with LVM or whatever)

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wagnerrp:

oh

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paperclip:

that way I can trash the install all out for a bit then when i decide what I want I can come back and apply that to keep apache/wordpress separated from myth

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sphery:

most likely anyone would figure that out... I'm just being pedantic

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paperclip:

do tell..

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paperclip:

I've never used LVM really..

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** wagnerrp enjoys his little world where RAID arrays use the entire disk **

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paperclip:

that's what I'm thinking would be best in my situation..

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean youre partitioning up the disk to use in three different arrays?

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sphery:

For Myth, you don't need RAID/LVM, so only choose to use it if you want it for some other reason (i.e. redundancy from RAID)

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paperclip:

I want to store media there.. mostly dvd/bd rips and a pile of flacs

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wagnerrp:

RAID is advised against for recording partitions, in favor of independent disks

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paperclip:

why is that?

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wagnerrp:

independent drives have much more IO capacity than a RAID array

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paperclip:

ok

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wagnerrp:

for independent writing anyway

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paperclip:

yeah.. i'm mostly looking to store tv shows here and there.. but primarily store movies and music

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wagnerrp:

if you are recording two things, each recording is writing stuff on the entire array

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sphery:

independent disks mean you're not fragmenting the data, assuming you have at least as many filesystems as you have simultaneous recordings

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wagnerrp:

if you are recording two things with independent drives, they each get their own drive

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** paperclip shoulda gotten a fifth drive **

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paperclip:

hmm.. so why is LVM not disirable..

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wagnerrp:

if you want to store your rips, RAID is ideal for that for redundancy

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paperclip:

how large is HD tv at 1080i per hour.. 6gb?

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sphery:

LVM is ok as long as you're using it only to make filesystem management easier

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kormoc:

paperclip: depends

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sphery:

but if you're concatenating partitions or whatever, you're losing the "independent filesystems" benefits just discussed

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: ive had it anywhere from 4.5–8gb per hour

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paperclip:

now I'm thinking using the four drives independently.. one for os/myth/sql/buffer and three using LVM for long term storage

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wagnerrp:

on Cox (US), youre going to be limited to 19mbps/recording

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paperclip:

I have an antenna

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wagnerrp:

but youre still in the US

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paperclip:

all coat hangary and stuff

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wagnerrp:

thats all that matters

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sphery:

OTA is still basically 19Mbps max

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paperclip:

well.. I am

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wagnerrp:

technically, cable is nearly double that

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sphery:

in the us, that is

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paperclip:

cox messes the picture up..

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wagnerrp:

but its doubtful you would ever see a cable broadcast larger than a OTA broadcast

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sphery:

yeah, but they don't do QAM to fit higher bitrate channels... they do it to fit more logical channels :)

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paperclip:

i assumed they were just using the OTA feed

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Dagmar:

...because cable's motto is "Don't give the customer anything more than you're required to by contract"

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paperclip:

i get about three times the channels OTA that I do via QAM

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sphery:

and don't even give them that unless they complain to customer service...

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: well thats illegal

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paperclip:

some from other cities..

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paperclip:

hah

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wagnerrp:

or you just have a giant antenna

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting for the FCC to start busting chops about ads claiming "Switch to digital cable and get ALL your cable channels in high-def!"

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sphery:

not illegal if most of those channels are not "must-carry" channels

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sphery:

i.e. CW and MyTV are not always must-carries

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sphery:

Fox may not be in some markets, too

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paperclip:

if it's the primary channel it is must carry..

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paperclip:

if it's some multiplexed in shopping channel.. not so much

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paperclip:

so.. I get 6 pbs channels OTA and 2 on cable..

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sphery:

Dagmar: I kept waiting for them to get after DirecTV when they had Jessica Simpson saying, "All your channels in 1080i" when they were using 1280x1080i60

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sphery:

but, it seems that's true enough for the agency dedicated to keeping 7 words off the US airwaves

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Dagmar:

At least she's _technically_ correct

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paperclip:

and occasionally i get 4 more from the city about 90 miles away

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Dagmar:

QVC will never ever be high-def

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if you can get a bare X4540 from Sun, and supply your own drives

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wagnerrp:

they seem intent at selling you one filled, with excessively overpriced drives

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paperclip:

going to go play with this hardware.. thanks for the words of wisdom guys..

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nighthawk_:

directtv was using 1280x1080? wtf?

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sphery:

yeah, until just recently

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nighthawk_:

that must have nuked quality

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sphery:

their birds didn't have the bandwidth, so until they got their new ones up

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: more to the point, will it run linux ;)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i dont know if the marvel controller chips have linux drivers

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wagnerrp:

similarly, i couldnt imagine trying to dick around with 48 disks in LVM

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kormoc:

who said anything bout LVM?

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wagnerrp:

well you certainly dont want to run 48 drives in one gigantic array

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kormoc:

I did a 96 disk md device via ESATA just fine

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Dagmar:

My disks are bigger

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Dagmar:

They take up six racks.

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Dagmar:

So there.

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wagnerrp:

's/s/c/'.... ?

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kormoc:

now granted, it took a week and a half to initialize...

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: there's a few esata expasion boxes, they connect via esata but are actually a weird interconnect

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paperclip:

a week and a half!

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wagnerrp:

i dont know... i think i would be perfectly content with one of those front loading Norcos

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kormoc:

Mmm... sdcz

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paperclip:

is VDAPU support included in mythbuntu 9.04?

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wagnerrp:

no

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paperclip:

guess I will be hitting JYA's repos then

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paperclip:

vdpau even

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kormoc:

There was a feature to modify the recording priority based upon historic data, what was that option (if anyone recalls)?

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16477

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kormoc:

that'd do it!

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sphery:

I just mentioned that to a friend 4 days ago, so I had the link handy

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sphery:

(in my IM logs :)

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kormoc:

snazzy, thanks

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MrFuzzy:

Is there a configuration file with keystrokes in it that you can configure?

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MrFuzzy:

Specifically I would like to make a mouse click pause and the other play. possible?

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Dassu:

When does mythtv set wakeup times ?

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MrFuzzy:

Right now my scrollwheel works in myth so I know it takes mouse inputs somehow, I just don't know how to configure it

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sphery:

MrFuzzy: It's not in a file. You need to go to MythControls in Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys. Note that MythControls is a plugin, so you may need to install it.

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sphery:

MrFuzzy: though mice will only work if you xmodmap the buttons to keyboard keys

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sphery:

Dassu: can't really help you other than to say that the info you need is probably in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome and the section of the page on mythshutdown

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MrFuzzy:

why do some just work in then?

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sphery:

scroll wheel only works in some (Qt) areas

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Dassu:

sphery: ummm

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sphery:

i.e. the parts that aren't really Myth

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MrFuzzy:

sphery: ah okay, that's where it works

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sphery:

though in trunk there's limited support for some mouse stuff

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Dassu:

sphery: I don't think I'm using mythwelcome

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sphery:

it won't really be "mouse-ready" for 0.22, though

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MrFuzzy:

how do I check my version?

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sphery:

Dassu: well, Myth doesn't set wakeup times, so whatever you're using does it however it was set up to do it... MythWelcome is not necessary (except on a frontend machine), but mythshutdown is likely what you're using.

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sphery:

unless your distro or someone rolled their own

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sphery:

MrFuzzy: mythbackend --version

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sphery:

look at revision and branch

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Dassu:

sphery: Well.,

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Dassu:

sphery: I thought mythtv itself sets wakeups automatically at some point so.... atm I'm just using cron and shutdown script so set it as it wouldn't work without them

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MrFuzzy:

sphery: is there a ppa for the trunk?

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wagnerrp:

ppa?

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Dassu:

sphery: well. I guess I'll just fall back to scripts

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wagnerrp:

'the trunk'?

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sphery:

Dassu: read the part about mythshutdown

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sphery:

Dassu: no sense re-inventing the wheel: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#MythShutdown_program

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sphery:

MrFuzzy: your best bet is to run 0.21-fixes until 0.22 is released

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MrFuzzy:

sphery: yea thats what I have now.

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sphery:

it will almost definitely be here by the end of Oct--possibly before Oct

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sphery:

And, again, 0.22 /still/ isn't mouse ready

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sphery:

you can't do the pause thing you want or map mouse events to actions

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sphery:

so it's really no better for you than 0.21-fixes

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sphery:

unless you just want an unstable DVR

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MrFuzzy:

yea I understand

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MrFuzzy:

bummer.

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MrFuzzy:

so are they trying to get full mouse support in myth or just clicks?

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Dagmar:

Mice don't exactly work for a PVR

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Dagmar:

...unless you want a REALLY big mouse pointer

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sphery:

the mouse support is mainly for touch screens

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Dagmar:

THAT support I'm likin' because the price of kiosk-like machines with touch screens just KEEPS ON DROPPIN

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Dagmar:

I saw one for under $350 yesterday

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sphery:

I don't get the idea of getting fingerprints all over your tv screen

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sphery:

or sitting close enough to your TV to control it by touch

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sphery:

but to each his own

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Dagmar:

I have a stylus.

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Dagmar:

Believe me, I can't STAND fingerprints on a screen

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sphery:

For me, it would have to be a 6-ft long stylus or I'm not interested :)

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Dagmar:

When I bought the 22" display on my desktop, I had a choice of two almost identical options. One with matte finish on it's case, and one with a glossy finish.

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Dagmar:

I told the woman straight-up that if I got the glossy one i'd be too busy polishing it to get any work done

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Dagmar:

I'm just glad they put something special on the screen of the 800W or I would be virtually unable to make phone calls

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wagnerrp:

800W... treo?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

It seems very resistant to ear grease

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** wagnerrp wishes he didnt have to record wrestling as the spillover to warehouse 13 **

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wagnerrp:

i suppose thats the 'fiction' side of 'scifi'

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Dagmar:

I really wish they'd drop that show

[02:20:05]

Dagmar:

Of course, now that I've seen the disgrace G4 has become, I'm much less strident about them airing wrestling

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wagnerrp:

it has fallen far from its former TechTV?

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[R]:

so i got my hdpvr and it seems to be working

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Dagmar:

I don't think it can fall any farther without running commercials declaring that reading is stupid.

[02:21:10]

Dagmar:

They were airing a show called 'Hurl'.

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Dagmar:

The subject matter of which was some guys eating until they pucked.

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Dagmar:

Not IF they puked, but UNTIL.

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Dagmar:

They've done "PSAs" where they have Jenna Jameson give hygiene tips.

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know how you do that

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Dagmar:

LIterally telling their audicence "You're a bunch of geeks who can't possibly attract a real woman"

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wagnerrp:

i mean i dont have the will power to eat that much

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Dagmar:

It's like they're going out of their way to try and turn otherwise intellectual people into a bunch of forum retards

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wagnerrp:

ill get tired and go to sleep before i hit the vomit stage

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Dagmar:

They started doing reruns of "The Man Show" for chrissake

[02:23:19]

Dagmar:

So yeah, those G4 people completely f**ked things up... again.

[02:23:48]

Dagmar:

Like, how do you take a channel with 14 million viewership and turn it into a channel with 3 million viewership?

[02:23:58]

Dagmar:

You have Comcast buy them, put in the G4 management, and wait three months.

[02:28:39]

wagnerrp:

i remember my roommate used to watch Cheaters on there

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wagnerrp:

thats a worthwhile show if ive ever seen one

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and what the hell does that have to do with gaming or technology beyond eavesdropping?

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wagnerrp:

i really think he just watched it with the hope the host would get stabbed again

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wagnerrp:

i mean at least Jerry has the sense to bring body guards

[02:30:40]

wagnerrp:

far better mayoral capability than Joey Greco

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Dagmar:

ahahah

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Weezey:

I've got a ATSC card, and it finds channels but it's not showing up as an encoder on mythweb on the master backend and when I select watch tv on any frontends they just blink, no messages logged anywhere

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Dagmar:

That's because MythTV does not autodetect anything.

[02:32:09]

Dagmar:

You have to configure it with mythtv-setup.

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wagnerrp:

you are using one single database for all frontends and backends?

[02:32:18]

Weezey:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and like dagmar mentioned, you did add the card and scan within mythtv, not using the dvb utilities?

[02:32:54]

Weezey:

yes

[02:33:03]

Weezey:

mythtv has found channels

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Weezey:

they show up in the listings on the master backend in mythweb

[02:33:28]

Weezey:

eit info even flows in

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

EIT should be disabled

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Dagmar:

Someone will put an end to that EIT stuff soon enough

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wagnerrp:

but that shouldnt stop livetv from working

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Weezey:

k, I'll disable i

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Weezey:

t

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: its actually useful in some european countries

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wagnerrp:

and there always exists the possibility of someone writing code to scan the EIT data at the time of recording, to intelligently extend the show

[02:35:39]

wagnerrp:

no more losing the end of Fringe, because someone's precious American Idol had to run 10 minutes over

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Weezey:

still no encoders

[02:36:43]

Weezey:

it should show as an encoder if it's correctly configured, right?

[02:36:46]

wagnerrp:

have you restarted the backend since adding the tuner?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: though the chances of the local stations actually updating it for overruns is probably /very/ low

[02:36:59]

Weezey:

yes, master and slave

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wagnerrp:

sphery: eh.... well it was a decent thought

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sphery:

and when you say, "not showing up as an encoder on mythweb," you mean the backend status page, right?

[02:37:39]

Weezey:

correct

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Weezey:

can I check I mysql table or something on a frontend?

[02:38:05]

sphery:

can you pastebin your backend and frontend logs, please?

[02:38:14]

Weezey:

sec

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sphery:

though as previously mentioned, you should have only one database on one host

[02:38:39]

Weezey:

i do

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sphery:

ok, wasn't sure from that last question

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Weezey:

no worries

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Weezey:

actually, I just had another thought

[02:39:35]

Weezey:

I'm wondering if the master backend is running an older version.

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Weezey:

I'm going to recompile

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wagnerrp:

if the master is an older version, the slave and frontends will refuse to connect

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sphery:

right

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wagnerrp:

similarly, the master may refuse to run because the schema is too new

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Weezey:

hmm, they connect happily

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sphery:

so it should have shut down if the wrong version

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sphery:

it = frontends and remote backends

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squidly:

hmm odd issue

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squidly:

frontend connects no problem

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squidly:

but then after a while it spawns threads and then dies

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squidly:

well the threads dont die

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sphery:

trunk?

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squidly:

yes

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squidly:

mythbuntu weekly builds trunk

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sphery:

getting lots of mythsocket errors in either the frontend or backend logs?

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squidly:

let me check

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squidly:

not from what I'm seeing on the frondend

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sphery:

check both

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squidly:

2009-09–01 21:15:53.935 MythSocket(b1bdb0:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

[02:54:13]

squidly:

that is on my backends

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sphery:

one or tons?

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squidly:

quite a few

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sphery:

10's or 100's or 1000's?

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sphery:

I need some kind of order of magnitude

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sphery:

a few probably isn't causing it

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sphery:

a ton might

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squidly:

it chews up over 2x my scroll back in my xterm

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sphery:

(it=dying)

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sphery:

what revision (from mythbackend --version )

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squidly:

3k

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sphery:

yeah, that's probably what's causing it, then

[02:55:46]

squidly:

MythTV Branch : trunk

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squidly:

Network Protocol : 46

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sphery:

revision?

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squidly:

Library API : 0.22.20090813–1

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sphery:

revision?

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squidly:

MythTV Version : Unknown

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squidly:

sorry

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sphery:

ahhh

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squidly:

c&p got me

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sphery:

what's the Ubuntu version string?

[02:56:37]

sphery:

from apt or whatever

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squidly:

0.21.0+trunk21261–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 0

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sphery:

the issue that's causing that was supposedly fixed in r21608

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sphery:

so you need a newer version

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squidly:

great

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squidly:

ok ty

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sphery:

good luck

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squidly:

ty

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squidly:

I like the new gui

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squidly:

looks nice

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JEDIDIAH__:

do I have the restart the master backend after adding a new slave backend & tuner?

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sphery:

might want to see if Ubuntu is going to update their "weekly" build... r21261 is 3wks old

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squidly:

yea I'm going to have to pop them

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: as it says on starting mythtv-setup when the master backend is running, yes

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: though it's quite possible that the message isn't explicit about restarting /all/ backends

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[R]:

i can't quit mythtv-setup

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[R]:

is there some magical combination of keys i need to hit?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...yes. Restarting the master "did the trick"

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sphery:

[R]: whatever combination of keys you use to quit mythfrontend

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[R]:

i usually just hit esc

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squidly:

also is using tmdb that standard now?

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[R]:

but i havent run frontend yet... its a fresh db

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sphery:

[R]: if trunk, you may need a relatively recent revision

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[R]:

i'm on 20668

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squidly:

wow that is older then my "weekly" build

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[R]:

i'm just playing around to test my hdpvr

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sphery:

yeah, that's old enough that it may have issues

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[R]:

the video card and hard drive for my real myth box isn't here yet

[03:04:07]

squidly:

once you got myth you dont go back

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Weezey:

i'm forever trying to skip commercials at friends' houses

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** JEDIDIAH__ has been reaching for the Tivo remote in movie theatres for years (commercial skip and instant replay) **

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squidly:

lol

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Weezey:

how do i make my backends log more?

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Weezey:

-vvv ?

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JEDIDIAH__:

now that I have 2 HDPVRs I would like Myth to favor one. is that possible?

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wagnerrp:

-v option,moreoptions,yetotheroptions

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squidly:

JEDIDIAH__: any reason why you want one used over the other?

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: mythtv will favor the first in the list

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JEDIDIAH__:

different STBs are attached.

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JEDIDIAH__:

ok

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wagnerrp:

unless you add a increased preference to one

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JEDIDIAH__:

in the new world order stuff was re-added in preference order so that's good.

[03:14:13]

wagnerrp:

understand that tuner and channel priorities all add into a single value as far as the scheduler is concerned

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JEDIDIAH__:

sure

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JEDIDIAH__:

if DTV1 and DTV2 are both recording, I want the "good stuff" on DTV1

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JEDIDIAH__:

those cardinput priorities would also make more sense as a frontend accessable option.

[03:17:54]

JEDIDIAH__:

X saves the day yet again despite the legions of detractors...

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** JEDIDIAH__ contemplates X as a DC superhero **

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wagnerrp:

X?

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squidly:

if he says Xorg I think I will cry

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Dagmar:

It's like that german guy who was made from spare crap

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Dagmar:

I dont' even remember what comic that was from

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JEDIDIAH__:

German guy? Spare parts? Sounds like a Frankenstein product...

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Dagmar:

it was one of the mutant gang comics

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squidly:

2009-09–01 22:21:40.104 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'MythCenter-wide'

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squidly:

2009-09–01 22:21:40.104 Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'MythCenter-wide'ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 17794, errno = 32

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squidly:

what does that mean?

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squidly:

sorry for the multi-paste

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Dagmar:

One fo the guys was supposed to be a shapeshfter, and he was made from "whatever was lying around loose" apparently.

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sphery:

ICE errors are unimportant

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wagnerrp:

two lines is fine for pasting

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Dagmar:

He was always drawn as a bunch of scribbledly looking black lines with yellow highlights

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squidly:

sphery: it crashes out on me after that

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sphery:

so it worked out well that the paste put 2 lines in one making the 3-line paste into 2

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squidly:

sphery: heh yep. but I alwyas try to to not do more then a line

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sphery:

squidly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde . . . 5/comments/3

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squidly:

sphery: ty

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squidly:

yea that was it

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squidly:

also I has an issue with the theme it was trying to use

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Timrit:

good day all. I was in here a couple of weeks ago asking why my frontend was bombing out while trying to watch recorded shows but would playback livetv just fine. After 3 weeks or so I have found the answer and was just going to pass it on to you so in the future if someone else has this problem you may be able to help them. It is key that both the front end and backends have the same timezone. If they differ, you will NOT be able to watch record

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Gav8in:

wow, that's very interesting.

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** Gav8in notes to stop keeping his back end in newfoundland. **

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Timrit:

I am running an Arch frontend on a HP laptop and a backend sitting in my furnace room. I forgot to edit my rc.conf file and change it to the same timezone as the backend which happens to be US/Central. Thanks for all your help in the past and keep up the great work!

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Timrit:

the backend BTW is mythbuntu 8.04–2

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wagnerrp:

Timrit: that is a known limitation

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wagnerrp:

considering setting the timezone is usually one of the first things a linux setup guide will have you do

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wagnerrp:

it is usually not considered during troubleshooting

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Timrit:

Gav8in: 3+ weeks of not being able to watch recordings inside mythfrontend.

[04:23:49]

Timrit:

wagnerrp: well hopefully if anyone else runs up against not being able to recordings but live tv works, maybe suggest looking at timezones.

[04:24:02]

Timrit:

i just wanted to pass it on

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Timrit:

i thank everyone for their help in here. i blame no one but myself.

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i_is_cat:

so im using the mythtv trunk and things seem ok so far except there is no video showing in the program guide.. am i missing something?

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i_is_cat:

i can still hear the sound but there is no video showing anymore :S

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juski:

who'd have thought it.. frontends & backends have to be in the same timezone.

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[R]:

rofl

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[R]:

trynig to do some myth-over-internet?

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juski:

me? never. Just pondering how some people arrive at the realisation of the obvious ;-)

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juski:

if I had a fast enough upload pipe to allow mythtv to work over the internet I don't think I'd be wasting it on teevees

[06:40:41]

juski:

so far this week I'

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juski:

duh

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juski:

I've only watched 45 minutes of TV :)

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RedGuerrilla1968:

sup

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Dibblah:

It's the fun game of "guess the author of the quote!"

[10:07:13]

Dibblah:

"In my case the machine is too slow to run mythbackend *and* valgrind so the bug I see is not being fixed. (yes, go figure)"

[10:07:43]

Dibblah:

We've not heard from him in a while, so you might have forgotten about him. But he hasn't forgotten about HIS BUG!

[10:07:52]

juski:

just close it

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laga:

ROTFL

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Dibblah:

Not in Trac, fortunately.

[10:08:04]

juski:

hopefully he'll get pissed off & stop using mythtv :)

[10:08:23]

laga:

yeah

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laga:

i hear VDR is pretty good

[10:08:38]

juski:

for epia systems yeah :)

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juski:

no commflagging, or anything that uses much cpu :)

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Dibblah:

Interesting, the phrase I heard about VDR involved donkey balls.

[10:09:18]

juski:

TLoP is a great DVR app for epia systems

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juski:

(Two Lines of Perl)

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laga:

ha

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Traveler:

hello guys

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Traveler is now known as Guest83500

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Guest83500:

I´m new in this chat

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Guest83500:

is there any one here?

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neomag:

hello

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neomag:

I need to know some clues with mythtv, can any one help me, I´m a newby in myth tv

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neomag:

Hello

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neomag:

Can you tell me what kind of programming language is created the themes, osc screens?

[11:34:44]

neomag:

in mythtv plugins?

[11:38:02]

neomag:

hello

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juski:

mythtv is written in c++ & uses qt a lot

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juski:

themes are based around XML files which describe screen areas and how information is displayed

[11:43:11]

neomag:

thanks juski

[11:44:15]

juski:

menu screens also use xml files which define how they look and also which buttons appear

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sebrock:

is it possible to get the EPG embedded video with opengl?

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neomag:

thanks all guys

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neomag:

I have one more question

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neomag:

its possible to place a made advertise ( test proposol ) in the mythtv rule, example : 9am abc channel 15 min display ; 9,30am the movie in avi with the advertising; after that 2 min later the rest of the abc channel, it is possible to do that?

[11:50:33]

juski:

no

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neomag:

This is a example, so it is possible?

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juski:

it is not possible to do that

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neomag:

but is possible to ads ocs information in the abc channel, like this example : "lateste news: bla,bla,bla test" whem the channel is displayed

[11:52:38]

neomag:

in mythtv?

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juski:

ocs?

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neomag:

sorry ocs

[11:53:06]

juski:

do you mean OSD – the on screen display?

[11:53:18]

neomag:

yes,yes, sorry for my english

[11:53:20]

neomag:

rs

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juski:

you can use mythtvosd to force information to be displayed onscreen when video is playing – but there's no way to tell which channel is being watched with that

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Weezey:

I've added my first DVB card, the card scans and finds channels, it has a sched direct listing and it's attached to it but mythweb shows no encoders and the master backend shows "GET_FREE_RECORDER_COUNT" 0 when I try to view live tv.

[11:54:43]

neomag:

but is possible, write?

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juski:

and the information you can show onscreen with mythtvosd is text only. no graphics

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juski:

neomag: sure, but you'd have to do it yourself

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neomag:

ok

[11:56:11]

neomag:

if theres any possible way to place a video channel in mythtv is using a channel list correct?

[11:56:44]

neomag:

like creating a channel with the info that I want?

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juski:

I'm starting to guess this is for some kind of commercial product. from now on I cost $200 per hour

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neomag:

take easy juski

[11:57:22]

neomag:

Im tring to make a project

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juski:

oh, so we're helping you with homework?

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neomag:

on my own, and help in the community with my skill(s)

[11:58:26]

neomag:

nop, trying to understand the consept of mythtv

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neomag:

sorry concept

[11:59:35]

neomag:

and if the project can do other stuff or creating a new project for the mythtv

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juski:

mythtv is primarily for recording and watching TV

[12:00:26]

juski:

not displaying info on top of video, not switching video sources on a schedule

[12:00:30]

neomag:

I understand tha mythtv is like a mediacenter application, greatest that whas made in linux, thanks god

[12:00:42]

Weezey:

should my only slave backend say

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Weezey:

"starting up as the master server" in the log?

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juski:

Weezey: nope

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Weezey:

feck

[12:01:29]

juski:

Weezey: you've obviously not configured it correctly

[12:01:42]

Weezey:

damn

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juski:

Weezey: 1. make sure the master backend is set to run on the (UNCHANGING) LAN IP of the machine

[12:02:32]

juski:

2. make sure mysql can accept connections from other machines

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neomag:

I have some ideias for creating a project for the mythtv, and I thank for your time juski, I´m where to learn and ask if possible, an honest way to understant the product

[12:03:10]

juski:

3. tell the SLAVE backend the IP address of the mysql server with the correct details and

[12:03:25]

juski:

4. make sure the slave backend is running on the LAN IP address of the slave backend machine

[12:03:41]

juski:

bugs me when people call mythtv a product

[12:03:50]

neomag:

no no

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neomag:

thats where not my ideia

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neomag:

I know the mythtv is an opengl software and its free, and I thank you

[12:04:45]

neomag:

juski

[12:04:47]

juski:

see, it's not a product :)

[12:04:51]

Weezey:

juski, got it connected correctly and tuned to channel but it's not showing up as an encoder still.

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juski:

Weezey: was the master backend restarted after adding the tuner on the slave backend?

[12:06:07]

Weezey:

damn

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Weezey:

no

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juski:

just the backend process, not the whole machine

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neomag:

But in this community I tried to know if any one had that idea of creating more software stuff

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neomag:

juski

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juski:

neomag: new ideas are always welcome, especially if they come in the form of patches to the code :)

[12:08:16]

neomag:

But if there mysql included in thsi software it means its possible to add some scheduals in the channel display, correct

[12:08:18]

neomag:

?

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neomag:

juski

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juski:

no

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neomag:

ahh ok

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juski:

the EPG is for displaying EPG information, not hacking your own info in there

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juski:

if you want to customise the OSD to show the kind of information you'd like to see, you do that instead of hacking up the database

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neomag:

no I´m not hacking anything

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neomag:

I was kind to know if its possible or not

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neomag:

juski

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neomag:

I have finnaly finish my C++ curse

[12:10:44]

neomag:

and I am a linux friendy user

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neomag:

I dont have any ideias of hacking anything

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juski:

I personally couldn't care less if mythtv ran on linux or not :)

[12:11:44]

neomag:

but trying to understand the concept of mythtv,juski

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juski:

no when I said hacking I meant YOU inserting crap into the database yourself. THAT IS BAD

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neomag:

ok,ok I understand, juski

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juski:

if you want to display custom information, modify the OSD code

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neomag:

ok

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neomag:

sorry for my direct aproache about this issue

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neomag:

juski

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juski:

there have been a few people wanting to insert custom material into live media. It's a *stupid* idea IMHO

[12:14:16]

neomag:

can I ask you, if you know anything about inserting that stuff in live media?

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neomag:

juski

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juski:

I have no interest in live media at all

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juski:

live media is a 20th century concept. It's dead

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Weezey:

juski, other than adding the ATSC card with defaults, disabling EIT, adding the listings and then connecting the card to the listings and scanning for channels, is there something I'm missing with a DVB/ATSC card setup?

[12:15:14]

neomag:

Because I have a home for old people and I was having some ideas, just all, juski

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juski:

Weezey: I presume you managed to make it work on the master backend before

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Weezey:

no

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juski:

so your MBE has NO tuners?

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Weezey:

never had this dvb card show up as an encoder

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Weezey:

correct

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juski:

that isn't a supported feature

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Weezey:

I had two pvr-150s in it but removed them to test this

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Weezey:

they were in the same slave backend

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juski:

you can't have a backend without tuners

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juski:

you must have at least a DUMMY tuner

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Weezey:

k, any best-practice there?

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neomag:

whell I think is better to make the video I want with finalcut 5 in apple and try to place a DVI splitter in the 5 flat screen tv

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neomag:

juski that do you think?

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neomag:

and a computer player

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juski:

neomag: mythtv can't serve the same video to more than one frontend at the same time anyway

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neomag:

ahh, ok thanks, but is a god idea

[12:19:03]

neomag:

?

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neomag:

to display the video in 5 type of tv, in diferent roons

[12:19:57]

neomag:

sorry for the english,juski

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juski:

still sounds like a commercial application, and still not a very good idea. Hey ho

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neomag:

internal ideia

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neomag:

not commercial

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neomag:

please

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neomag:

like trips, news, etc

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Weezey:

boom!

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Weezey:

you're the man juski!

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neomag:

internal usage only, not commercial, juski

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juski:

who'd have thought that the master backend would need to be restarted after adding a tuner huh?

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Weezey:

still not playing, BUT the encoders show up

[12:22:19]

Weezey:

no, not that, i had to edit it's settings, give it a storage dir

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Weezey:

no tuner though

[12:23:29]

Weezey:

now my tuners are actually in the list.

[12:23:57]

Weezey:

but still not playing video

[12:24:07]

neomag:

i was thinking of creatin a stream internal tv channel, via intranet, its possible eith linux, juski ?

[12:24:26]

juski:

neomag: NO, nothing is possible in linux

[12:24:28]

juski:

ffs

[12:24:47]

juski:

of COURSE it's bloody possible

[12:25:13]

neomag:

but its a good ideia, no ? juski

[12:25:46]

juski:

no I don't think it IS a good idea, but that's just my own opinion, not fact

[12:26:06]

neomag:

do you know anything how can point me to that direction? juski

[12:26:28]

juski:

no

[12:26:43]

neomag:

or other idea, not for commercial, please

[12:26:54]

Weezey:

hmm, I think I may just be out of storage, hence no available tuners

[12:27:18]

Weezey:

time to clean up

[12:27:20]

juski:

I have an idea. Tell the old folks by *conversation* & don't leave them in front of the TV for hours on end every day

[12:27:37]

Weezey:

heh, he just wants to be on tv

[12:28:13]

neomag:

nop, that was not my idea to show in tv; weezey

[12:28:24]

neomag:

its a lot of people

[12:29:16]

neomag:

and its just an ideia of tranfer information , by the roons without spending money in old computers, some guys likes computers

[12:29:30]

neomag:

its real

[12:29:37]

juski:

and some people mistrust computers ;-)

[12:29:41]

juski:

especially OLD people :)

[12:29:51]

neomag:

that real to

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neomag:

too

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neomag:

can you give me some ideias,hy guys!

[12:30:33]

juski:

sometimes people look to technology to solve problems which would be easier to solve in person

[12:30:46]

neomag:

sorry english a bit rusty

[12:31:41]

neomag:

ideia is to create more activity in the workgroup not to bore them to there kill

[12:31:54]

neomag:

watching tv

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neomag:

rs

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juski:

leaflets could do that job. carers telling them in person could do that job

[12:32:25]

juski:

anyway, I'm out

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neomag:

ok

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juski:

should've known anyway, with a nick starting with the letters 'neo'

[12:33:45]

neomag:

they its not because I like "NEO" but my nickname in all kind of chat rooms what neomag

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neomag:

whas and it is neomag

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Weezey:

juski, thanks for pointing me in the right direction

[12:34:37]

neomag:

simple to remember

[12:34:50]

neomag:

thank you juski

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neomag:

for yout time

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neomag:

for about 4 years I dont enter chat conversation, My work and family takes the blaim, rs juski

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neomag:

in a good mode

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neomag:

whell its time to make lunch for the old people in the house, thanks to all and specially to juski, I will soon try to enter this chat room

[12:38:54]

neomag:

and talk about mythtv and other suff related

[12:40:18]

neomag:

thanks juski

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neomag:

best regards from Portugal

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sebrock:

juski, I guss you would know this: To be able to see the embedded video in EPG and the preview in "Watch recordings" is it possible to use opengl or is Xv the only option?

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quicksilver:

I use the opengl painter and I still see the previews

[13:24:42]

quicksilver:

so I think it works?

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sebrock:

yeah as painter ye, but how about video renderer?

[13:25:35]

sebrock:

(or whatever it is called...)

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quicksilver:

oh, perhaps I don't know then

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quicksilver:

I'd be surprised if it didn't work

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juski:

why would I know? I don't even USE livetv

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juski:

and FWIW I've never seen the point of those video previews

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Shadow__X:

hello stoth

[13:30:33]

Shadow__X:

hows it going

[13:30:54]

stoth:

Shadow__X hello, good thx.

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quicksilver:

I don't think they have much point except as a tech demo :)

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juski:

who needs em then?

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sebrock:

it just looks nice

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Weezey:

my new atsc card is now showing up as an encoder but I still can't view live tv. the backend logs (slave and master) are both showing: QUERY_REMOTEENCODER_13 IS_BUSY 5

[13:52:24]

juski:

sebrock: no it doesn't. it takes up space I want to use for other things :)

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juski:

as do all the little preview images

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squidly:

yea sorry trying to figure out why my mythsystem wont show me some files I have saved

[14:00:33]

squidly:

oops

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juski:

some files you have saved. Descriptive or what

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squidly:

I ment to say files that I have moved in to my mythvideo fold3er

[14:00:58]

squidly:

folder*

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juski:

you moved them from where?

[14:01:06]

squidly:

i see them in the ls but not in mythvideo

[14:01:19]

juski:

oh you need to use the video manager to scan for changes

[14:01:22]

squidly:

it was a local rip on my desktop and I moved them to my backend

[14:01:30]

squidly:

yea I'm trying to get that to happen

[14:01:30]

squidly:

lol

[14:01:38]

juski:

utils/setup > video manager

[14:01:44]

juski:

ding

[14:02:12]

squidly:

hmm it would be nice if that worked

[14:02:56]

juski:

then the files you put in there don't have an extension mythvideo is setup to recognise

[14:03:07]

juski:

or the permissions are wrong

[14:03:22]

squidly:

.mkv is recognized and workd readable

[14:03:37]

juski:

or you've moved them onto your backend and are expecting them to appear on remote frontends as if by magic

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[14:04:03]

squidly:

I expected to be able to go in to the video manager and have it scan for new files

[14:04:08]

Shadow__X:

mythtv doesnt do magic?

[14:04:19]

** paperclip wants his money back **

[14:04:21]

Shadow__X:

does it have anything todo with myths atleast?

[14:04:25]

juski:

Shadow__X: only in the minds of retards

[14:04:45]

squidly:

juski: no need to be mean.. a simple whiping will do ;)

[14:04:54]

Shadow__X:

juski: i was saying that in jest

[14:05:05]

** iamlindoro wonders if the critical piece of information is "I'm using trunk but obviously haven't followed -commits like a grownup" **

[14:05:34]

** juski wonders if squidly is using the 'ignore leet filenames' option **

[14:05:38]

squidly:

iamlindoro: I'm using the mythbuntu builds. what did I miss?

[14:05:42]

** Shadow__X wonders when people will admit their faults **

[14:05:47]

iamlindoro:

mythbuntu build of.... trunk?

[14:06:01]

squidly:

yea their "weekly" build

[14:06:06]

Shadow__X:

irc would be better with dramatic music

[14:06:09]

juski:

of -fixes or trunk?

[14:06:18]

squidly:

0.21.0+trunk21261–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 0

[14:06:20]

squidly:

that version

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** juski smacks squidly **

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Shadow__X:

:(

[14:06:37]

squidly:

juski: ??

[14:06:44]

Shadow__X:

use fixes

[14:07:07]

Shadow__X:

unless you are a grownup or know how to read or possible both

[14:07:10]

juski:

you're using TRUNK, not following the -commits & -dev mailing lists which tell you about how features change

[14:07:22]

Shadow__X:

also how you fail

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paperclip:

anyone know if i can install mythbuntu from a usb stick?

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juski:

there's gonna be a lot of this when 0.22 is released. Good job I won't be here to see it

[14:08:34]

iamlindoro:

juski, diagnosed with a rare terminal condition giving you only weeks to live?

[14:08:38]

juski:

and no, it doesn't matter whether or not it's documented :)

[14:08:52]

squidly:

juski: lot of what.. changes to how things work in myth.. and that a couple of things wont work as they used to

[14:08:54]

juski:

iamlindoro: I wish

[14:09:04]

juski:

squidly: a lot of things have changed

[14:09:07]

juski:

a *lot*

[14:09:15]

squidly:

juski: I know

[14:09:20]

juski:

obviously not

[14:09:32]

squidly:

like using tmbd vs imdb

[14:09:44]

juski:

you people using trunk should be building it yourselves

[14:09:56]

juski:

there should be no packages of it

[14:10:11]

squidly:

juski: then tell that to mythbuntu people

[14:10:15]

juski:

no point trying to argue it widens the test base

[14:10:24]

juski:

a lot can change in a week

[14:10:40]

juski:

squidly: no answer to that one

[14:10:54]

** laga covers his ears **

[14:11:20]

juski:

yeah don't hate on *buntu. Shuttleworth might have me killed or something

[14:11:26]

laga:

i think there's sufficient warnings surrounding the weekly trunk builds on mythbuntu.org

[14:11:44]

juski:

laga: heh if you can get people to *read* :)

[14:11:48]

squidly:

juski: how can I get trunk to scan my video dir and update

[14:11:48]

paperclip:

laga: shouldn't you cover your eyes?

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laga:

paperclip: I CANT HEAR YOU

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paperclip:

heh

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juski:

iamlindoro: I could've sworn that feature was now on some kind of MENU

[14:12:36]

squidly:

laga: I didnt see any warning's when they said "go to trunk, instrustino on how to are here"

[14:12:36]

juski:

;-)

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juski:

and if I remember correctly, you have to specify storage groups for mythvideo now too, or it won't find anything. Could just be a fake memory

[14:13:51]

juski:

but then, I might've been following the mailing list

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laga:

squidly: well, there are some. there used to be more AFAIK

[14:14:39]

squidly:

laga: there should be a lot more...

[14:15:02]

squidly:

like "dont expect any type of help with this"

[14:15:15]

juski:

heh FAIL: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/395381

[14:15:30]

laga:

squidly: we used to have that

[14:15:38]

laga:

i still remember going ballistic at the first clueless user

[14:16:20]

juski:

we should still bump everybody with mythbuntu problems to #mythbuntu IMHO. Who cares if they get no answer in 6 days

[14:16:21]

laga:

squidly: in any case, i'm not out to babysit anyone – if they want to break their boxen, they should just go ahead

[14:16:21]

squidly:

laga: I'm only clueless because I'm still fairly new to myhtbuntu.. and I want to help out.

[14:16:44]

laga:

squidly: i never meant to say you were clueless. :)

[14:16:46]

squidly:

juski: they would point out their issue to them

[14:17:03]

squidly:

laga: I did. I can admit when I need help...

[14:17:04]

juski:

squidly: the moral of the story is, if you use trunk, FFS read the mailing lists religiously

[14:17:16]

squidly:

juski: is signing up right now

[14:17:29]

squidly:

oops

[14:17:32]

squidly:

missed a /me

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wagnerrp:

squidly: theres a nice big giant page about migrating from 0.21 to 0.22 with mythvideo

[14:20:38]

wagnerrp:

if youre having troubles or questions about mythvideo, read it

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wagnerrp:

s/page/wiki page/

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juski:

I better read it at some point before I upgrade

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squidly:

wagnerrp: thanks

[14:29:24]

juski:

facknows where the wiki page is though

[14:29:40]

wagnerrp:

yeah... fixing that

[14:30:20]

wagnerrp:

link is at the top of the mythvideo page

[14:30:54]

squidly:

ok so I'm not nuts

[14:31:08]

wagnerrp:

?

[14:31:26]

squidly:

I spent the last 10 minuts digging though the wiki to try and find it

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juski:

refusing to read that. All "you do this, you do that"

[14:31:54]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i tried the same, before giving up and going to the change logs

[14:32:28]

** iamlindoro coughs and notes it's in the page title matches for "mythvideo .22" **

[14:32:47]

iamlindoro:

on the first page of results, no less

[14:32:56]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was search for 'mythvideo 0.22'

[14:33:00]

wagnerrp:

searching

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squidly:

ok my wiki/searchfu has failed me yet again :(

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juski:

think I might go on a rampage & destroy all the out of date pages

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RyeBrye:

then the wiki would have approximately 5 pages

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RyeBrye:

;)

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juski:

or maybe we should get an attempt on making a real manual going

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juski:

wikis suck ass

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squidly:

juski: that is 1 thing you and I agree on 100%

[14:35:11]

juski:

if as many people contributed to *actual* documentation as they do discussing their ****ing boxes...

[14:35:46]

wagnerrp:

does anyone else find it amusing that 'WAF' is listed as the oldest page on the wiki?

[14:35:55]

squidly:

WAF?

[14:36:00]

wagnerrp:

WAF!

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juski:

sexist

[14:36:17]

wagnerrp:

would SAF be better?

[14:36:37]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps SOAF?

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juski:

less abbrevs FTW

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iamlindoro:

< abbrvs

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juski:

acronymonious

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JEDIDIAH__:

...if the stereotype fits.

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j-rod:

you know... I try to be a good soldier and all, but... DEAR SELINUX: DIE IN A FIRE

[14:40:38]

JEDIDIAH__:

as far as docs go peoples ****ing boxes do represent useful documentation.

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laga:

j-rod: and so should pulseaudio ;)

[14:41:12]

j-rod:

yes, that too

[14:41:29]

j-rod:

well, alsa sucks rather mightily too...

[14:41:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

pulseaudio is what happens when you listen to hysterical nay-sayers.

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** wagnerrp feels like clearing out a block of non-user user pages **

[14:41:46]

[Peter]:

I actually know a person who thinks pulseaudio is good

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j-rod:

so yeah, lets rip out pulse *and* alsa, and just ship OSS again

[14:41:55]

j-rod:

pulse has its uses

[14:42:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

pulse was pushed onto users before it's time.

[14:42:18]

[Peter]:

sure, but it always fucks up

[14:42:20]

j-rod:

its also annoyingly overbearing about treating users as idiots

[14:42:22]

[Peter]:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah.

[14:42:28]

j-rod:

"you get one slider now"

[14:43:04]

juski:

JEDIDIAH__: I wholeheartedly disagree. We need REAL docs not musings where users compare penis sizes

[14:43:32]

** j-rod doesn't need to compare, confident in his manhood **

[14:43:35]

juski:

a box is a box is a box is a box

[14:43:48]

j-rod:

I tend to agree

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** wagnerrp comments on the fact that 'box' is used for slang of something other than 'penis' **

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laga:

wagnerrp: thanks

[14:44:38]

juski:

if you're talking about experience of whether or not given hardware works on a particular kernel/distro .. then yeah maybe. but not system descriptions

[14:44:40]

JEDIDIAH__:

if you really truely believe that then you won't have any problems consenting to watch 720p HDPVR captures on an AppleTV "Clockwork Orange Style"

[14:44:53]

laga:

rotfl

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janneg:

j-rod: you've seen http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=36?

[14:45:15]

juski:

JEDIDIAH__: anybody who buys an AppleTV deserves what they've got coming

[14:45:33]

j-rod:

janneg: I've not...

[14:45:52]

j-rod:

but jeebus alsa kinda sucks, so...

[14:46:05]

wagnerrp:

juski: i had to convince my parents against that a when they first came out

[14:46:11]

j-rod:

must... keep... mouth... shut...

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JEDIDIAH__:

An AppleTV is actually a very capable box, and also the opposite of the sort of dick waving you're whining about.

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juski:

myers. Whatever

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** j-rod has an AppleTV... it'll be much more useful Real Soon Now... **

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JEDIDIAH__:

Initial setup of the atv is a royal PITA. But the associated docs are a thing of art.

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j-rod:

janneg: I should have a 2.6.31 fix for the hdpvr i2c shortly

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j-rod:

I'm a dummy for not making sure things worked there first

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juski:

I'm always taken the wrong way on crap like that. I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have a neat little box under the teevee – I think people's expectations are often unrealistic

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juski:

hell, *I* would pay $200 for a frontend capable of playing HD competently.. mind you I'd be more likely to if it came with a decent remote :P

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paperclip:

I don't think that's very far off..

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JEDIDIAH__:

everyone's idea of "decent remote" is different.

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JEDIDIAH__:

fortunately that's something that's easy enough to fix (and make consistent with every other box in the house)

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juski:

no way is an apple remote even close to decent

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wagnerrp:

well one of the ION machines with a stick of ram falls under $200

[14:53:09]

wagnerrp:

if youre satisfied with hardware decoding

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paperclip:

yup

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juski:

wagnerrp: I'm not holding my breath for vdpau to deliver the goods for broadcast h.264 just yet

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JEDIDIAH__:

ready made ion for only $200?

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JEDIDIAH__:

lots of embedded atoms around that price, dunno I've seen an ION that cheap.

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paperclip:

JEDIDIAH__: mine was $160

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paperclip:

just for the board

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juski:

I got burned with xvmc through my epia waste of time frontend, so I'll be opting for enough CPU grunt to decode it for real

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wagnerrp:

you can get a board, halfway decent AMD chip, memory, and PSU for under $200

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juski:

and case?

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** paperclip is saying that soon entire systems will be ~$200 **

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paperclip:

m350 is ~$35

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juski:

a case that doesn't look like ass? and is small?

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wagnerrp:

no case in either case, you have to mount it to the side of your TV stand

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JEDIDIAH__:

industrial/embedded machines don't look too bad.

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wagnerrp:

i can think of several places i could shove a bare system into my tv stand, and have it be completely hidden

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** j-rod wonders if anyone has tried simply affixing an ion itx board to a TV's vesa mounting holes on the back, no case **

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paperclip:

http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure

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JEDIDIAH__:

several places that sell them advertise in Linux Journal

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juski:

j-rod: when they do they'll pollute the wiki with it

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paperclip:

i think that looks nice.. and it has behind the tv mounts

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j-rod:

juski: hahahaha, yeah, probably

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wagnerrp:

new parts are here... time to gut the laptop and replace the heatsink...

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paperclip:

also the enclosed usb bay is a nice feature..

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm now I need to find a component video source to try my new pdpvr

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: dvd player?

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j-rod:

is the pdpvr some new product?

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GreyFoxx:

hdpvr

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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j-rod:

or is it like a PDP-11 Video Recorder?

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Hmmm yeah that might due. I think I still have a hardware player or 2 in a box somewhere

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JEDIDIAH__:

new-ish

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** GreyFoxx heads to the wiki for info on this thing **

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JEDIDIAH__:

MythTV support for it (hdpvr) looks to be going production soon.

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JEDIDIAH__:

....no mce version in sight.

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j-rod:

people amuse me

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GreyFoxx:

yeah it will be included in 0.22

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j-rod:

I'm playing dumb. I know what the hdpvr is, thank you.

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JEDIDIAH__:

It didn't occur to me that you were faking.

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j-rod:

I hear someone got the IR part on it working too

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GreyFoxx:

I assumed he was kidding about my typo :)

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juski:

that'd be funny.MCE including support for recording HD in analogue. That wouldn't last

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wagnerrp:

besides, they have their cablecard tuners

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JEDIDIAH__:

...kind of sort of.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I can get an hdpvr at Frys and I got my hdhr at my local Microcenter. Cablecard tuners are more mythical.

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wagnerrp:

well you cant buy them (except on ebay), you have to get them with a prebuilt system

[15:06:22]

wagnerrp:

using one of a handful of motherboards and a custom BIOS

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wagnerrp:

along with an access code stamped on the case

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: and windoze only too, right? :-(

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JEDIDIAH__:

I just did a cursory search... most hits on google are to non-cablecard tuners. The ATI product page leads to a lot of dead ends on PC vendor pages.

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JEDIDIAH__:

"only available on ebay" is a bad sign.

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wagnerrp:

as small and pathetic as this heatsink is, its still the only one ive ever seen with a mirror finish

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juski:

mmmm because it matters what PCs look like on the inside

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wagnerrp:

no, the contact surface with the CPU

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juski:

that doesn't matter much either

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's a security feature. meant to blind people that try to break into the machine.

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JEDIDIAH__:

'-)

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juski:

even a 'mirror' finish isn't enough to make much difference apparently

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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juski:

time to head home

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wagnerrp:

im actually somewhat impressed by this thing

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wagnerrp:

it has a heatpipe running up to the ballast in the screen

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squidly:

how do I change the backend's name

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squidly:

I get "Backend : dragon : Is currently Unreachable. Skipping this one.

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squidly:

and dragon used to my backend, when I was an all in one box

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jst_home:

squidly: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html

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jst_home:

squidly: section 23.7

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squidly:

ahh ty

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squidly:

missed that one

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jst_home:

sorry, that's not it

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jst_home:

23.15

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squidly:

jst_home: yea it got me to the right place :D

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squidly:

ty

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jst_home:

np

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squidly:

ok note to self.. dont reuse hostnames

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nighthawk:

I recall reading somewhere that there was a perl script for changing frontend settings via tty, is that a utility included in svn? I've been poking around and haven't found it in trunk

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wagnerrp:

wee! i filled the recent changes

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iamlindoro:

Heh... laga got his paaaage moved ;)

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iamlindoro:

!trout laga use your user page

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** MythLogBot slaps laga with a use your user page trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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wagnerrp:

well i left everyone that had some indication of 'higher level user' on their page or links to their page

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wagnerrp:

apparently i dont know laga's real name

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iamlindoro:

"As you can probably tell from my email adress, my nickname is "laga"."

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wagnerrp:

anyway, everything i moved hadnt been touched since the migration from the old wiki

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wagnerrp:

ah... well...

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wagnerrp:

page is still there if he wants it

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iamlindoro:

Heh, he should use his user page :)

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wagnerrp:

does he have an account?

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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nighthawk:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fill_mythvideo_metadata.pl How does that compare to jamu, besides being written in perl ?

[18:00:53]

kormoc:

it's missing a ton of features

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iamlindoro:

it's not written for .22 DB database fields, either

[18:01:05]

iamlindoro:

so it'll insert all the wrong info into all the wrong fields

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iamlindoro:

leaving you with horribly wrong metadata

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iamlindoro:

like nothing in the Season, Episode, Screenshot, Subtitle, Fanart, or banner fields

[18:01:44]

iamlindoro:

in short, Jamu is up to date and a hell of a lot more complete than that POS

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nighthawk:

oh ok

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nighthawk:

I saw the linked pl had todays date in it

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nighthawk:

thought it might be something useful

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sphery:

though that script likely works with current 0.21-fixes and (TTBOMK) Jamu doesn't

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** iamlindoro thinks people should just name their files properly in the first place **

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sphery:

but once you upgrade to 0.22 (when released very soon), you'll have to do it all over again with Jamu

[18:04:08]

iamlindoro:

it's not like MythVideo isn't enormously permissive about what you can call things-- it is

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nighthawk:

hmm, that pl looks like it now supports .22

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sphery:

is that one of those that ignores common info in stolen videos?

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iamlindoro:

nighthawk: That script is a hack-- if you start using it don't expect to get any help w/ MythVideo from me

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sphery:

nighthawk: if you're using trunk, your best bet is probably to use the official "supported" one

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iamlindoro:

and if I do say so myself, I probably know MythVideo in .22 better than anyone

[18:05:16]

nighthawk:

was just curious, jamu works well enough for me

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sphery:

I know MythVideo, and you, sir, are no MythVideo.

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nighthawk:

i'm playing wtih scenerenamer.py at the moment to try to clean up video names

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nighthawk:

my next project is to write a script to translate files named with absolute episode numbers into proper s#e# tagged filenames

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nighthawk:

btw, is there a mechanism to kick off mythvideo's "scan for changes" remotely? i'm not local to my mythtv box at the moment

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iamlindoro:

No, nothing remote

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nighthawk:

UI is the only input for that?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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JEDIDIAH__:

how long ago did you add the season/episode stuff?

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nighthawk:

checking that my understanding is accurate: 1. scan for changes in mythvideo scans the configured directories for new/modified files and updates the db with the changes 2. jamu relies on db stored names for it's operations, not the direct file system

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iamlindoro:

a little over a month

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JEDIDIAH__:

cool

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iamlindoro:

1. Yes 2. Incorrect, Jamu does its own filename parsing

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JEDIDIAH__:

too bad my copy of trunk is old...

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nighthawk:

so a video file not yet displayed in MythVideo will still be processed by jamu?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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nighthawk:

well I guess there isn't any need for "scan for changes" remotely then... and doesn't that operation occur on a timer anyway?

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iamlindoro:

No, it does not occur on a timer

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nighthawk:

oh, thought I had noticed MV pause once and load some new files one time, must have been imagined

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sphery:

the backend scans mythvideo directories every 30 mins to make them available via UPnP

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iamlindoro:

which does not add them to the DB

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sphery:

doesn't update MV though

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nighthawk:

ok, thanks for the insight, I have a clearer picture of MV now

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JEDIDIAH__:

...so, there is still no automated metadata management?

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nighthawk:

JEDIDIAH__: jamu can be run via cron, but that wont handle new files, as I understand it

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iamlindoro:

Jamu *will* handle new files

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iamlindoro:

(as I said before)

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nighthawk:

iamlindoro: so it will add all the db data as if "scan for changes" had run? will the jamu orphan cleanup handle the other end of removing deleted files?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it will add files to the DB, no, orphan cleanup is for images, not metadata

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iamlindoro:

If you want a "clean" delete of files and metadata, do so in the UI

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nighthawk:

ok, your previous response didn't explicity imply that new files not matched in the db were handled too, so I wasn't sure

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nighthawk:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

Though IMNSHO Jamu should be run *once* to square up your DB, and no normal person should be adding files at such a rate that they cannot scan, highlight them, and press the "W" key

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does the UPNP server still require file access? or can it use SGs like mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

anyone who *is* adding files at such a rate that they regularly need mass metadata handling is very very suspect

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no idea...

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sphery:

I don't do UPnP or MythVideo, really.

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** JEDIDIAH__ bludgeons iamlindoro with his copy of "martinis and medicine" **

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sphery:

(No offense to MythVideo, just that I don't really have any non-TV videos other than DVD's and, of course, playing a DVD on an open GNU/Linux box would be illegal.)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought there was some clause in the DMCA that allow end users to break encryption for compatibility

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sphery:

according to the Librarian of Congress, DVD playback on GNU/Linux is a violation of the DMCA

[18:29:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

the law is something that people with doctorate degrees and decades of practice argue over.

[18:29:53]

sphery:

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/archives/2009/0 . . . earings.html

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sphery:

Where "on GNU/Linux" means using only FOSS software, versus proprietary binary apps, probably in a closed device.

[18:31:10]

nighthawk:

the simple logic path is, does the MPAA want you to do it? if yes, the law permits, if no, then law does not permit

[18:31:40]

nighthawk:

which is fairly accurate as they wrote most of it and paid for the senators/reps that passed it

[18:31:44]

wagnerrp:

the MPAA wants you to put a camera on a tripod, pointed at a TV in a darkened room

[18:32:04]

nighthawk:

the MPAA wants you to give them your wallet, and no one will get hurt

[18:32:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly

[18:33:17]

sphery:

but you can't take a camera into a theater

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sphery:

even if you're only recording a snippet for use in academia

[18:33:50]

wagnerrp:

sure you can, you just cant distribute said recording

[18:33:51]

clever:

wagnerrp: with high megapixel cameras, you could in throery have ~4 pixels of image for every pixel on the tv, letting you get a perfectly sampled copy

[18:33:57]

nighthawk:

I'd rather pay 9.50$ than watch another cam movie

[18:33:59]

wagnerrp:

and the theater has the right to refuse service

[18:34:10]

sphery:

no, they're pushing for laws that would make it a felony offense to take cameras into theaters

[18:34:19]

clever:

nighthawk: yes, cam rips are awful

[18:34:22]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre pushing for laws... but they dont yet exist

[18:34:25]

nighthawk:

lol

[18:34:36]

nighthawk:

it should be a felony because the quality is so bad :-P

[18:34:37]

sphery:

"Welcome to <movie>. Please check your cell phones before entering the theater."

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clever:

sphery: and yet ive gotten movies on the internet, before they hit theaters, i wont need camrips anymore:P

[18:34:52]

nighthawk:

sphery: don't forget cavity search

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JEDIDIAH__:

that would be an interesting sociological experiment...

[18:35:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

"kid, it's the phone or the movie."

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sphery:

clever: not here

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wagnerrp:

clever: not something you should admit to in a logged channel

[18:35:36]

nighthawk:

theaters aren't that much better than most home theater setups anymore, I wonder how long until the model just goes away

[18:35:49]

clever:

wagnerrp: half the special effects where missing, and i think we own that movie now

[18:35:59]

sphery:

nighthawk: that's why hollywood is pushing "real" 3D

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wagnerrp:

then again... youre canadian, youre taxed under the assumption youre going to do that sort of thing

[18:36:03]

kormoc:

clever: speak of it again and you'll be out for 24 hours

[18:36:05]

sphery:

versus this TV anaglyph garbage

[18:36:08]

JEDIDIAH__:

most home theatre setups are infact crap. Some home setups can be quite excellent, even with a smallish screen.

[18:36:10]

nighthawk:

no one has to go to a concert to hear a popstar before their CD is released, for example

[18:36:50]

kormoc:

clever: you *know* better, it's time to start acting like a mature adult...

[18:37:05]

laga:

baha

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sphery:

nighthawk: and the 2.39:1 aspect is another "differentiator"... Though they now have 2.4:1 TV's.

[18:37:34]

nighthawk:

sphery: 2.4:1 tvs?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: So as a Myth dev, I think I should have ops in this channel :)

[18:37:41]

JEDIDIAH__:

...even wider black bars for my old content.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: And a clear policy of kicking on the first offense

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** clever prays iamlindoro never gets @ in any channel **

[18:38:01]

nighthawk:

perfect for sidebyside SD content

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kormoc:

heh, I wish I could hand that power out :)

[18:38:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

according to "back to the future' we were supposed to have multi-channel concurrent TV by now.

[18:38:34]

wagnerrp:

nighthawk: you would need 2.66:1 for that

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: that was thought as the 'future' when people couldnt imagine recording to watch later

[18:39:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

...although the "scenery channle" wasn't far oof.

[18:39:25]

nighthawk:

wagnerrp: I just saw an ad for NFL "redzone" channel

[18:39:25]

kormoc:

clever: if you would just act in a socially acceptable way and respect the community rules, you wouldn't have to worry about being kick/banned/quieted....

[18:39:42]

clever:

kormoc: even when i do that, lindoro has it out for me:P

[18:40:46]

wagnerrp:

nighthawk: i have no idea what that is

[18:40:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

one of my tuners is recording the 1995 world series

[18:41:38]

kormoc:

clever: cause you've proven time and time again that you have no respect for anything and just want to spew junk. Start acting mature/etc and eventually you'll earn back some respect, keep destroying it, and you'll never get it

[18:41:39]

nighthawk:

some new channel that shows all NFL games currently playing where the team is within 20 yards of the endzone, so you don't miss the action!!!(OMG DENNIS LEARY SHOUTING!)

[18:41:55]

nighthawk:

semi neat idea though I guess

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sphery:

nighthawk: sorry... It's a 2.33:1 (21:9) "Ultra widescreen" TV from Philips – http://www.cinema.philips.com/ might have info (I don't do flash)

[18:42:24]

JEDIDIAH__:

Yeah, but what happens when more than 1 team is less than 20 yards from the endzone?

[18:42:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

...sounds like the "instant replay channel"

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nighthawk:

geez, getting that site to load is more complicated than configuring mythtv

[18:43:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

they could play just the highlights... kind of like readers digest.

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nighthawk:

that display has "ambilight" too, no gimmick held back :P wonder how those will sell

[18:46:32]

sphery:

Europe only for now

[18:46:47]

nighthawk:

if only film/tv could get along and spare us all this framerate/aspect ratio nonsense

[18:47:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

every director is going to want to do something different. part of the flexibility of a projected medium.

[18:47:27]

sphery:

the whole reason for the difference in aspect is to get you to leave your home and go to the theater

[18:47:34]

sphery:

they're trying to offer more than you get at home

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juski:

pfft

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JEDIDIAH__:

the wider wide screen stuff came out long before widescreen TVs were around.

[18:48:08]

nighthawk:

meh, forcing an obsolete model

[18:48:09]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought it was so that old 4:3 content wasnt tiny

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juski:

4:3? If it was up to Logie Baird we'd have to make do with 25 lines.

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JEDIDIAH__:

You can zoom in the old stuff by at least half usually.

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nighthawk:

artistic aspect aside, shooting at 16:9 wouldn't matter much for the bulk of holywood products

[18:49:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

a large screen presentation doesn't matter much for the bulk of hollywood products... their basic problem.

[18:49:38]

nighthawk:

I wouldn't be surprised if most directors start compositing frames with 16:9 in mind

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juski:

wooo just like erm.. 3D doesn't matter but they're proceeding to shove it down our throats anyway? :-O

[18:49:52]

sphery:

Sweet! Google is pretty impressive (even if I don't trust them.) I was typing "movie" into the search and my right hand was one right of home, so I got, ",pvoe

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sphery:

and it popped up "movie" as a suggestion

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nighthawk:

sphery: yeah, I've seen that, google is win :)

[18:50:28]

sphery:

(when typing the offset there, I forgot and hit " while shifted, so it gave an Enter :)

[18:50:32]

nighthawk:

or skynet in larval form...

[18:50:38]

sphery:

agreed.

[18:50:42]

juski:

skynet I can handle

[18:50:58]

sphery:

I'm with kormoc on this one... Skynet is here--just not everyone knows it, yet.

[18:51:01]

juski:

everybody calling themselves neo* is what I see as a nightmare

[18:51:33]

nighthawk:

juski: hah, yeah I'd rather keep some 2M sunblock on hand

[18:51:40]

juski:

The Register used to run regular RoTM articles detailing how some machines have been making a bid for power

[18:51:43]

sphery:

Yeah, you'd think that anyone who'se seen Matrix 2/3 would have long since decided to distance themselves from that franchise...

[18:51:58]

nighthawk:

2 wasn't that bad

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kormoc:

and yet there was a third one after the second one...

[18:52:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

is there a "one button option" to adjust for overscan?

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sphery:

nighthawk: when compared to 3, true. When compared to 1, not so.

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JEDIDIAH__:

The 2nd and 3rd were produced concurrently.

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juski:

JEDIDIAH__: if you have a flat panel TV no

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juski:

and if you don't have a flat panel, no

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nighthawk:

sphery: 1 was a better action movie, 2 had more story depth

[18:52:50]

juski:

there was a 2nd & 3rd matrix film?

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nighthawk:

3... why the hell have a giant mecha where the pilot is completely exposed to tenticals ??

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iamlindoro:

juski: NO and I won't hear otherwise

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sphery:

nighthawk: yeah, it's the story depth that killed it for me... I didn't like the "direction" the story went.

[18:53:10]

JEDIDIAH__:

why would the flat panel part matter? There's already a "4 button" generic option.

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juski:

iamlindoro: phew!

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nighthawk:

srsly, that killed it for me

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juski:

JEDIDIAH__: are you kidding?

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juski:

it's a bloody ONE TIME thing to do and you're moaning about it being 4 buttons?

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wagnerrp:

nighthawk: because we like gritty industrial looking mechs, as opposed to the sleek japanese variety

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JEDIDIAH__:

they started focusing on one-upsmanship rather than making good movies.

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nighthawk:

wagnerrp: battletech ? It was just a lame mechanism for the actors to be visible and show off the specialfx

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juski:

next you'll be complaining that you can't buy PCs already configured exactly the way you want, with everything installed/configured ready for you, like some mind-reader

[18:55:15]

nighthawk:

reverse plot armor

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juski:

nighthawk: s/actors/no-marks

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JEDIDIAH__:

Sure. Computers automate.

[18:55:45]

juski:

JEDIDIAH__: they can't frickin mind-read

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wagnerrp:

nighthawk: who cares if youre enclosed if they knock you off that 500ft bridge?

[18:56:07]

nighthawk:

wagnerrp: that's not how the sarge died! :P

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juski:

meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users ...

[18:56:28]

nighthawk:

but that is a good point, hovercraft ships but no jumpjets on the mechs? wtf

[18:56:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

hyberbolic mind reading is not necessary.

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juski:

JEDIDIAH__: so then how will any system know what you want it to do / how it should look & behave?

[18:59:12]

juski:

and who, pray tell, is going to program this mythical all-knowing thing?

[18:59:25]

JEDIDIAH__:

frequently recurring use cases are typically a clue.

[18:59:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

I was just asking. you were the one that got all hot and bothered.

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juski:

yeah, like the one-button overscan fixer-upper which will miraculously know where the edges of your screen are

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nighthawk:

JEDIDIAH__: you sure you meant overscan?

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juski:

run mythtv-setup. It asks 'are you a moron (Y/n)?', if the user presses Y it quits & never starts again

[19:01:10]

juski:

that'd solve a hell of a lot of issues

[19:01:47]

nighthawk:

juski: better to have it display an animated GIF of mythtv in action, so they don't get suspicious

[19:02:14]

juski:

assuming they have systems capable of displaying 256 colours :P

[19:02:33]

juski:

though a 16 colour gif would prolly keep most of them entertained

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juski:

woo look. Ugly little box you can hide behind your tv: http://fit-pc2.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

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Der-Tim:

hi there

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sphery:

juski: don't you mean, "I've found the perfect frontend for Myth!'

[19:04:50]

juski:

sphery: nope :)

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sphery:

heh

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JEDIDIAH__:

since when does a GMA500 accelerate h264?

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wagnerrp:

since always

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JEDIDIAH__:

so if I feed this thing the BD version of Dark Knight it won't catch fire?

[19:06:41]

wagnerrp:

assuming youre doing it on windows... with drivers and a program that support it...

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JEDIDIAH__:

Somehow, I think if you were trying to get this working with MCE you would be better off giving up buying a copy of sage and an extender to go with it.

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sphery:

Any artistic trunk users with Qt3 installed want to contribute to Myth dev by making a qtlook.txt that matches Terra's color scheme (using Qt3's qtconfig GUI program) to make the settings pages much more usable?

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iamlindoro:

All the artistic trunk users have already given their pound of flesh ;)

[19:48:17]

iamlindoro:

and a few pints of blood in some cases

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sphery:

I'm thinking there are a lot of quiet trunk users in here--some of whom may actually be artistic...

[19:50:18]

juski:

editing qtlook.txt can turn artistic people autistic

[19:50:35]

sphery:

I was hoping to get a user involved rather than a dev, since this is something that can be done without any coding/development experience.

[19:50:54]

juski:

sphery: muh, but feem editering is SCARY!

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sphery:

and since I don't have any artistic talent, I only created an abomination

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sphery:

juski: but this isn't even theme editing... it's running a GUI app to create a pretty color scheme

[19:51:36]

juski:

sphery: I honestly didn't know what I was doing

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juski:

it's an abomination, that qtlook.txt file

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sphery:

i.e. no learning involved for someone who knows colors/style

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juski:

you're over-selling it

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juski:

it's a royal pain in the ass

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juski:

which bit does what? why can't I see the changes already? argghhh!

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** wagnerrp is baffled by all the users wanting to run mythtv in a virtual machine **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: +1

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iamlindoro:

and most importantly, "why do all of these have nearly the EXACT SAME NAME?"

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juski:

+2

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nighthawk:

why would anyone want to do that?

[19:53:25]

juski:

nighthawk: because it's there!

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sphery:

but you know, VM's are more efficient!!!!

[19:53:36]

juski:

and it'll make mythtv moar stabler

[19:53:36]

sphery:

You can consolidate all your servers...

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nighthawk:

lol, may as well make MythTV a "Cloud Application"

[19:53:50]

wagnerrp:

yes... running additional abstraction layers is always more efficient

[19:53:53]

juski:

take two servers into the shower? Not me, I just VM and go

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clever:

sphery: oddly, windows xp inside a VM, within a Xvnc4 server, i can play pinball

[19:54:05]

sphery:

Not that you couldn't just run mythtv /and/ Samba on the same installed server without a VM...

[19:54:07]

nighthawk:

gMythTv plz!

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sphery:

that would be heresy

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clever:

sphery: yet real win xp on real hardware, running realvnc4 server, there is so much lag its imposible

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nighthawk:

MythOnRails

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wagnerrp:

thats because realvnc sucks ass

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juski:

nighthawk: way I see it is, virtualisation is the new 'cool' thing & all the kids we used to know as ricers are doing it for the hell of it

[19:55:01]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah that may be the root cause of the odd result

[19:55:03]

sphery:

Seems to me that ruby spends more time off the rails than on it... Application Error (Rails)

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clever:

wagnerrp: i havent tried stuffing realvnc into the VM aswell

[19:55:23]

juski:

and it's something they can put on their CV (played with virtualisation a bit, lie, lie)

[19:55:24]

clever:

and that vm software buggers up the linux kernel

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nighthawk:

MythTV is SOA right?

[19:55:46]

juski:

I'm a linux expert cos I compiled a kernel once

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wagnerrp:

SOA?

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nighthawk:

Service Oriented Architechture (only other buzzword I can think of at the moment)

[19:56:46]

nighthawk:

ooh: MythTV needs social networking integration :-P

[19:56:49]

wagnerrp:

that filled my center square... bingo!

[19:57:00]

juski:

nighthawk: yes, like we all need holes in our heads

[19:57:18]

juski:

have you seen the bollocks Boxee tweets about?

[19:57:28]

nighthawk:

I don't twit

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juski:

boxee does

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juski:

lots. and lots. and lots

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nighthawk:

twitter is vanity text messaging

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juski:

it's because nobody can bear others not knowing what they've just watched

[19:58:10]

iamlindoro:

But the world WANTS TO KNOW that I recorded Dora the Explorer!

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clever:

iamlindoro: and when i flushed the toilet, and when the toaster pops up

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clever:

and ive even seen a useless app to twitter when a sensor in the chair detects a fart

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nighthawk:

I have desperate need to share my recording schedule with others on facebook!

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JEDIDIAH__:

no, the world is deeply disturbed by that fact... (dora)

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nighthawk:

clever: that is 1000% more worthwhile than most twitter use cases

[19:59:34]

clever:

nighthawk: ive also seen a twittering key logger

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clever:

and atleast one case of home automation

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clever:

yet another point of failure to kill your control, and to let outsiders play with your lights

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nighthawk:

someone should point those spam text generators at twitter, to ensure their database will be useless for any analysis

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clever:

iamlindoro: if you can setup mythweb and access it from outside the network, then you have no need for twitter:P

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j-rod:

ugh. this sucks. hdpvr is registering its i2c device properly now w/2.6.31, but lirc_zilog is shitting all over itself

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wagnerrp:

oh im sure to get flamed now...

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dustybin:

hmmm, mythtv requires ALSA, so does Asterisk.. :(

[20:22:32]

wagnerrp:

and?

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dustybin:

[Sep 2 21:13:35] ERROR[3576] chan_alsa.c: Problem opening ALSA I/O devices

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treats:

it's september 2nd, and I have barley moved into my new apt and I am itching to get settled in and (now that I have a job) build a media center I can enjoy. Is mythtv the way to go? What about boxee... or how about the all powerful linuxMCE?... oh the decisions, I need some guidance!

[20:23:18]

wagnerrp:

treats: what do you want it to do?

[20:23:23]

dustybin:

[Sep 2 21:13:35] ERROR[3576] chan_alsa.c: snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory

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laga:

will you be recording tv?

[20:23:46]

wagnerrp:

boxee is a media player, nothing more

[20:23:58]

wagnerrp:

its a very fancy media player, but it will only play content you have on disk

[20:24:07]

laga:

it's a soshul media player

[20:24:17]

laga:

i thought it had podcast/webtv support etc?

[20:24:23]

treats:

I want to be able to record tv, have lots of content, and display them to my projector with one device

[20:24:40]

juski:

so you need mythbuntu then

[20:24:46]

juski:

or LinHES

[20:24:47]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is a dvr, it has media player capabilities (and mythvideo is considerably improved in 0.22) but it is primarily for recording and playing back of tv

[20:25:02]

wagnerrp:

linuxmce is a home automation program

[20:25:20]

wagnerrp:

and comes packaged with a heavily modified, old version of mythtv

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** sphery assumes treats is big into homebrewing... ("I have barley moved into my new apt") **

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wagnerrp:

laga: social?

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laga:

wagnerrp: yeah

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sphery:

dustybin: you have an invalid ALSA device specified as your Audio output device or Passthrough device--i.e. ALSA:somethingthatdoesntexist

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treats:

what do you recommend for a controller if you are saying mythbuntu is the way to go?

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wagnerrp:

as in remote control?

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juski:

treats: well, certainly not an Apple remote :P

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sphery:

treats: LinuxMCE isn't so all-powerful from a TV standpoint... It's MythTV 0.20.1's backend, IIRC, and MythTV 0.22 is about to come out. It also has a "custom frontend."

[20:27:24]

iamlindoro:

running on two year old ubuntu :)

[20:27:58]

treats:

so no linux mce for now.. unless I want to get into automation

[20:28:15]

sphery:

I wonder if LMCE would have been better off working with Freevo (since Freevo is the "integrate random programs to make a DVR" app)

[20:28:26]

juski:

no linuxmce at all IMHO, it's too far behind *real* mythtv

[20:28:33]

treats:

yea a remote for my media center. I like the dinovo mini, but it is a bit expensive

[20:28:41]

sphery:

Yeah, LMCE is way old

[20:28:55]

sphery:

dinovo mini requires too much looking at the remote, IMHO

[20:29:19]

sphery:

I prefer to watch my TV when I'm, er, watching TV...

[20:29:33]

treats:

what do you mean by that..?

[20:29:37]

wagnerrp:

treats: the current recommended remote is the standard MCE USB

[20:29:38]

treats:

not looking at the remote

[20:29:55]

wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can get a USB-UIRT, or build your own homebrew IR receiver

[20:30:13]

sphery:

the diNovo Mini is a small keyboard--too small to touch type, and who puts the remote in their lap and touch types, anyway

[20:30:23]

wagnerrp:

mythtv can be used with a keyboard, but it is intended to be used with a remote

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sphery:

A remote designed as a remote fits in one hand and is generally navigable with a thumb and can be done from muscle memory rather than visual inspection/visual typing

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sphery:

though the dinovo mini /would/ be excellent as a mythfrontend keyboard (since you almost never need a real keyboard, but it's nice to have one for when you do something unusual)

[20:32:34]

treats:

i have some investigating to do

[20:32:52]

treats:

mythbuntu is a dvr/mediacenter hybrid?

[20:33:05]

laga:

mythbuntu is mythtv + ubuntu

[20:33:16]

sphery:

MythBuntu is Ubuntu already (and properly) configured for MythTV

[20:33:43]

sphery:

MythBuntu is the way for *buntu users to get Myth, just like MythDora is the way for Fedora users to get Myth.

[20:34:43]

treats:

i'm in over my head but here comes another question: So mythtv will just record all my shows. Then I use a program like boxee to play those recordings, or simply vlc

[20:34:50]

laga:

is mythdora actually vanilla fedora or did they fork?

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sphery:

treats: ideally, you use mythfrontend to play back your shows because things like boxee and vlc don't support the features that mythfrontend supports--things like commercial skipping, integrated OSD with all the recording metadata, timestretch (well, VLC has it, but mythfrontend makes it usable), ...

[20:36:04]

sphery:

treats: so, mythbackend records, mythfrontend plays back

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** sphery is /very/ glad that janneg mentioned the lack of revision in current *buntu weekly builds **

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** iamlindoro is mildly amused that apparently it calls them "0.21" also :) **

[20:37:52]

iamlindoro:

not that .22 isn't also wrong, it's just less wrong :)

[20:37:54]

j-rod:

bwha?

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juski:

boxee are allegedly working on providing commskipping but their UI still doesn't suit TV recordings one bit

[20:38:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nice post... and thanks for the brief moment of lucidity on the -users list

[20:38:37]

Dagmar:

They should make it say version "0.21mumble"

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treats:

so would myth frontend

[20:38:43]

treats:

support all my media?

[20:39:08]

juski:

it can play tv recordings, videos, dvds, music, photos..

[20:39:12]

Dagmar:

Maybe

[20:39:31]

Dagmar:

it does very poorly with jacked up encodes of pornography and anime downloaded from usenet

[20:39:33]

juski:

maybe the website says something about that. Oh wait, it does

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sphery:

treats: mythfrontend supports recordings and /can/ be used for MythVideo videos. If you have media that the Internal player can't play, you can set up MythVideo to play it using an external player, like VLC or xine or mplayer

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: "0.21.0+trunk21261â€“0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3"

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sphery:

MythVideo is the plugin for non-recordings video

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j-rod:

oh jeebus

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j-rod:

god I'm glad I don't have to deal with debs.

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j-rod:

versioning? asstastic. method for applying patches? even more hideous.

[20:42:21]

j-rod:

(no, this is not a mastercard commerical)

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laga:

j-rod: there is a number of patch systems. some of the are GDIAF, others are nice

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janneg:

iamlindoro: is that the current available version?

[20:43:17]

iamlindoro:

janneg: I don't know, I was quoting someone talking about the package earlier

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j-rod:

laga: all the ones I've seen are a train wreck, but I gave up looking rather quickly

[20:43:27]

squidly:

that is the "weekly" build

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janneg:

that revision is from Fri Aug 14 02:37:47 2009

[20:43:39]

squidly:

that is broken per the mythbuntu packagers

[20:43:47]

janneg:

i.e. ancient

[20:44:00]

squidly:

heh

[20:44:01]

squidly:

yep

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laga:

janneg: yeah, there were problems with the teal button. i think someone is working on it

[20:44:16]

** laga goes to kick someone **

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sphery:

someone was in here last night running the most current trunk weekly build and (after wrongly going down the mythbackend --version path with him, finally had him give me the package name) and it was 0.21.0+trunk21261–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3

[20:45:12]

sphery:

the "weekly" build was built 3 weeks ago, it seems

[20:45:19]

squidly:

sphery: it is

[20:45:36]

sphery:

and there's the someone :)

[20:45:46]

sphery:

while I was typing my novel, you already answered them :)

[20:46:34]

squidly:

sphery: yea.. I've been having issues with the system, but I'm getting used to it. Well that and the fact that the blasted build is 2 weeks old

[20:46:42]

j-rod:

the latest fedora rawhide svn trunk build is about as ancient, due to rawhide being a train wreck

[20:47:04]

laga:

squidly: um, who said the build was "broken"?

[20:47:08]

squidly:

j-rod: yea the build used to be less then a week old..

[20:47:16]

kormoc:

Given that all distros tend to end up as a train wreak, does that mean all distros are trains?

[20:47:23]

sphery:

Raw-hiiiiiiiide!

[20:47:27]

squidly:

superm1

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j-rod:

head 'em up, move 'em out

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: trains distributed by trucks on a series of tubes?

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sphery:

lol

[20:47:56]

squidly:

heh

[20:48:22]

** kormoc really needs to find out how to get all the fedora and rhel kernel packages without running rhel/fedora **

[20:48:31]

squidly:

though I have to admin i'm abot to go back to -fixes

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sphery:

squidly: hope you have a -fixes backup (and not many trunk-recorded shows) or are willing to start over

[20:49:28]

squidly:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

good

[20:49:35]

squidly:

sphery: backup and backup some more

[20:49:55]

squidly:

when when you think you have enough backup's take one more just for good measure :)

[20:50:07]

sphery:

yep... and you're using a version of trunk from before my, "If users run mythtv-setup or mythbackend as root, the backup failed" fixes...

[20:50:24]

laga:

squidly, sphery, janneg: a new build was published 12 hours ago. it should end up on the mirrors soon, if it hasn't already

[20:50:26]

sphery:

so it's good that you did manual backups before the upgrade

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sphery:

nice...

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squidly:

laga: ok I will try that then

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squidly:

sphery: yea

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squidly:

also I was running an old schema

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sphery:

laga: does it have mythbackend --version revision info? *fingers crossed*

[20:51:35]

laga:

sphery: i don't know, and you're just the meanest person!

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iamlindoro:

He sure is

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iamlindoro:

sphery is always being so damn MEAN

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squidly:

he's also right!

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sphery:

squidly: "running an old schema"? Unless you do very naughty things it should be impossible to run against a wrong-versioned schema

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sphery:

laga: sorry... Sometimes I forget you're a person, too...

[20:52:38]

squidly:

it would not update

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laga:

squidly: btw, i also doubt that superm1 said the trunk build was broken. i assume he referred to the fact that no new builds were pushed

[20:52:48]

squidly:

but it was still running

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squidly:

this was before fixes

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sphery:

if it doesn't update, myth apps shouldn't work

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squidly:

laga: correct

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sphery:

they should exit

[20:53:09]

squidly:

it worked somehow!

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laga:

squidly: so, please stop saying the trunk builds are "busted" :)

[20:53:21]

squidly:

let me see if I cant find the revison I was running

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sphery:

laga: I took it to mean that the SVN revision from 3 weeks ago had a /lot/ of bugs that the current revision doesn't have...

[20:54:07]

sphery:

not as a *buntu-centric issue

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squidly:

that is what I was saying.

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squidly:

sphery: I was running schema 1214 just before I moved to trunk

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squidly:

and now I'm running 1244

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sphery:

squidly: 1214 is -fixes schema version and 1244 is trunk's current (as of last night)

[20:58:12]

squidly:

sphery: ahh ok

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** squidly is trying to figure out where the shema info is stored **

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** iamlindoro notes that changing the schema # back is NOT the right way **

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** squidly notes that and is just trying to find make sure my backup is schema 1214 **

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hoban:

hello all. does this make sense to anyone? http://pastie.org/603546

[21:00:50]

j-rod:

install the firmware

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wagnerrp:

hoban: what j-rod said

[21:01:01]

hoban:

j-rod. keep reading in the paste

[21:01:01]

j-rod:

oh, haha

[21:01:03]

hoban:

the firmware is there

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Dagmar:

It's dropping you some pretty major hints to the contrart.

[21:01:18]

Dagmar:

s/contrart/contrary/;

[21:01:35]

wagnerrp:

if you have the firmware, then it is in the wrong place

[21:01:43]

Dagmar:

Make sure it's the _right_ firmware. Make sure it's in the _right_ directory.

[21:01:44]

sphery:

squidly: if you used the backup script to make the backup, the schema version will be in the filename--i.e. mythconverg-1214-<datetime>.sql.gz

[21:01:54]

sphery:

for a 1214 schema version

[21:02:01]

hoban:

how do I determine which the correct directory is? and how is it configured?

[21:02:12]

j-rod:

hoban: what distro?

[21:02:16]

squidly:

sphery: no I sis a backup as in mysql dump ;)

[21:02:18]

hoban:

j-rod: Arch Linux

[21:02:24]

j-rod:

generally, /lib/firmware is correct

[21:02:28]

wagnerrp:

that depends entirely on your distro

[21:02:39]

Dagmar:

Might have accidentally disabled something in the kernel needed to load firmware

[21:02:44]

squidly:

ok forget this trunk for now

[21:02:48]

Dagmar:

The machine might be possesed by Quakers

[21:02:54]

hoban:

firmware is loaded for my wireless card just fine

[21:03:06]

hoban:

(from /lib/firmware)

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sphery:

squidly: for that one, you can grep for DBSchemaVer , but in the future I /highly/ recommend http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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Dagmar:

hoban: Then redownload the firmware

[21:03:46]

Dagmar:

...because until "ivtv0: Unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw" goes away, you're not getting any farther.

[21:04:06]

hoban:

Dagmar, I'll give that a shot. Does the lack of working firmware make the /dev/video0 doesn't exist message make sense?

[21:04:21]

Dagmar:

...and how about giving us a pastebin of dmesg without everything that doesn't have "ivtv" in it filtered out

[21:04:28]

Dagmar:

I'm quite sure it's probably saying something more than _just_ that

[21:04:40]

Dagmar:

hoban: Yes.

[21:04:45]

j-rod:

the device node is there, doesn't mean the device backing it is

[21:04:52]

Dagmar:

Literally nothing will work until the card has firmware. It's effectively brainless.

[21:05:24]

j-rod:

make sure nothing braindead like selinux or apparmor isn't being 'helpful'

[21:05:29]

hoban:

Dagmar, http://pastie.org/603565

[21:05:46]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure apparmor could even interfere

[21:05:46]

hoban:

selinux/apparmor aren't installed/used

[21:05:58]

j-rod:

I'm not sure apparmor can do *anything*

[21:06:04]

j-rod:

its worthless trash

[21:07:17]

Dagmar:

it is not.

[21:07:34]

Dagmar:

Anyway, the machine is broke

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** j-rod is apparently cranky today **

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j-rod:

ye olde hdpvr is pissing me off mightily right now

[21:09:32]

laga:

j-rod: why is apparmor bad?

[21:09:46]

kormoc:

j-rod: ooh?

[21:09:47]

j-rod:

path-based security ftl

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j-rod:

james morris and other various security-conscious linux folks can explain in depth

[21:10:29]

sphery:

Isn't that how the MS firewall works?

[21:10:30]

hoban:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware <--this should do it for me

[21:10:32]

hoban:

thanks guys

[21:10:42]

j-rod:

sphery: hahahahahahaha, good point

[21:11:26]

hoban:

j-rod, path-based=bad, and also, apparmor "learns" the behavior of the app and creates policy..so if the app is bad from the beginning, that's considered ok

[21:11:27]

j-rod:

kormoc: 2.6.31 i2c changes are kicking my ass

[21:11:57]

j-rod:

everything's swell on 2.6.30

[21:12:31]

j-rod:

plus, my stupid powerstation has decided it doesn't want to do anything more interesting than sit at the video card post screen indefinitely now

[21:13:05]

j-rod:

yes, thank you, I know you're a Radeon X1650PRO 512MB DDR2 600e/400m DDV

[21:13:19]

j-rod:

I can haz kernel boot plz?

[21:13:38]

j-rod:

screw this, I'm going shopping

[21:14:17]

** kormoc waves **

[21:14:47]

j-rod:

okay, done shopping. bought another 1.5T drive and another UPS

[21:15:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: So, the Sony BDP-CX7000ES was released, finally, it seems, so the one you preordered should arrive shortly... http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/se . . . 921665925651

[21:15:25]

j-rod:

crikey

[21:15:27]

iamlindoro:

Ah at last, this $1900 is heavy

[21:15:57]

sphery:

Yeah, not to mention the >>> $1900 for those 400 Blu-Ray movies.

[21:16:15]

hoban:

wow. the firmware was fine, I just did a "modprobe -r ivtv && modprobe ivtv" and the card works now. *sigh*

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superdump:

hmm

[21:22:37]

superdump:

whenever i run mythfilldatabase (using mythtv svn in xubuntu 9.04 64-bit) it seems to error out at the end...

[21:22:38]

superdump:

ICE default IO error handler doing an exit()

[21:22:59]

superdump:

it also prints out the pid and errno i think

[21:23:29]

squidly:

superdump: rm ~/.ICEauthority

[21:23:32]

squidly:

then restart X

[21:23:36]

squidly:

or dont worry about it

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sphery:

wow... It's like I trained my own replacement...

[21:24:03]

superdump:

ok

[21:24:11]

squidly:

lol sphery

[21:24:14]

superdump:

though i'm wondering what it is

[21:24:27]

superdump:

the only ICE i know apart from the cold stuff is 'internal compiler error'

[21:24:30]

squidly:

the permissions on that file got chagned

[21:24:30]

sphery:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde . . . 5/comments/3

[21:24:38]

iamlindoro:

Until he's quick draw McGraw on every topic in the wiki and in all of history on all mailing lists, there's only one sphery

[21:24:42]

iamlindoro:

SHEESH, and launchpad too??

[21:24:55]

iamlindoro:

squidly better up his game

[21:24:57]

sphery:

that's technically myth mailing lists

[21:25:01]

sphery:

I just cut out the middle man

[21:25:19]

squidly:

iamlindoro: I'm still learning here.. so I will work on that a bit

[21:26:01]

squidly:

I think sphery have a script to say the most common answers

[21:26:06]

superdump:

hmm, it was owner rw and the owner was my user

[21:26:25]

sphery:

actually, sphery /is/ a script

[21:26:31]

superdump:

but ok

[21:26:31]

squidly:

haha!

[21:26:44]

iamlindoro:

!sphery capture_card_part_of_this

[21:26:44]

squidly:

superdump: like we said.. dont worry about :D

[21:27:08]

superdump:

ok

[21:27:13]

iamlindoro:

!sphery backup_and_restore_database_wiki

[21:27:32]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:27:37]

squidly:

superdump: I have that in my boxen all the time

[21:27:37]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[21:27:39]

superdump:

also, i know this is the wrong place, but i'm just wondering if xmltv is rather slow at obtaining schedule listings for you guys

[21:27:42]

iamlindoro:

ahhhh, there he is

[21:27:44]

iamlindoro:

on a delay

[21:28:14]

superdump:

i have a core i7 and it seems to download a chunk of data then max out one of the cores for some seconds then repeat for a few minutes

[21:28:21]

sphery:

the script was eating nourishing cheeze-it crackers :)

[21:28:33]

superdump:

om nom nom nom nom

[21:28:38]

janneg:

btw: if someone needs more storage http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabyte . . . oud-storage/

[21:28:54]

iamlindoro:

superdump: the XMLTV part is probably pretty innocuous, but I suspect it's the inserting into the DB part that is maxing out the processor

[21:29:03]

iamlindoro:

mythfillDB is a beast

[21:29:07]

sphery:

superdump: XMLTV generally downloads a huge number of HTML pages and parses them to get information into XMLTV format, which it feeds to mythfilldatabase, which parses it to get a Myth format that it can insert into the DB

[21:29:31]

sphery:

superdump: it's a very processor-intensive waste required in those areas where you can't get already-appropriately-formatted info

[21:29:37]

sphery:

SD ftw!

[21:29:56]

sphery:

(though that doesn't help you non-North-American users ;)

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superdump:

i see

[21:30:26]

** iamlindoro wonders how HE-AAC and ffmepg-mt are doing ;) **

[21:30:33]

superdump:

i suspected it was parsing xml and doing something with it

[21:30:46]

superdump:

i've been away in the states for my brother's wedding

[21:30:56]

superdump:

we're trying to get funding for me to work on ffmpeg-mt

[21:31:14]

superdump:

but i'll get back on HE AAC

[21:31:19]

iamlindoro:

heh

[21:31:24]

iamlindoro:

Only curious :)

[21:31:29]

iamlindoro:

hope the funding comes through

[21:31:34]

superdump:

me too

[21:31:36]

superdump:

i'm skint

[21:32:56]

iamlindoro:

superdump: you use the radio times listings, right?

[21:33:22]

sphery:

hmmm... RT should be better than HTML-scrapers...

[21:33:24]

iamlindoro:

Don't those already come in XMLTV format? (I'm implying that I think it's the insertion that's taing on the CPU)

[21:33:31]

iamlindoro:

er taking all the

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superdump:

yes

[21:33:40]

superdump:

ok

[21:33:46]

superdump:

so it's mysql that sucks?

[21:33:47]

superdump:

:)

[21:33:50]

iamlindoro:

probably :)

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iamlindoro:

or our code for inserting into it :)

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superdump:

as an insert is a pretty basic db operation, one would think it would be hard to fuck up the interfacing code to do it :)

[21:34:47]

sphery:

yeah, I just assumed the download/max-out-cpu/download/... was because of the page-by-page approach of HTML scrapers

[21:35:03]

sphery:

we actually delete everything then insert

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sphery:

so it's /2/ operations :)

[21:35:17]

iamlindoro:

You'd be surprised what we/I can f up :)

[21:35:32]

sphery:

or, likely # of programs + 1 operations

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sphery:

one delete, then a bunch of inserts

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iamlindoro:

Even in the US, and even on my Q9650, mfdb pegs a processor for a bit

[21:38:18]

squidly:

iamlindoro: my friend called it disaster codeing :D

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sphery:

on my Athlon XP 2400+ mfdb never got about 30% (in top) and mysqld about 50% . real: 0m46.959s , user: 0m10.227s , sys: 0m0.916s

[21:41:22]

sphery:

above about

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sphery:

(and, yes, I just happened to be within 20mins of the suggested next fill time, so I ran it manually :)

[21:42:29]

squidly:

sphery: mfdb?

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sphery:

mythfilldatabase

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squidly:

ahh

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ekristen:

I need to get lircd to use the irblaster on my pvr-150, can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Wicked:

yup one second ekristen

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ekristen:

Wicked: sweet, np, I can wait

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sphery:

Why it's good that Myth doesn't allow breaking ToS for metadata: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/01/amazon_api_change/

[21:56:01]

Wicked:

ekristen, dont mind these...they are my personal notes on setting up the blaster.....but here http://pastebin.com/m103c8da3

[21:56:30]

ekristen:

Wicked: any help is welcomed

[21:57:14]

Wicked:

assuming you have the reciever working...u just need to put the blaster firmware in the lib dir then unload and reload lirc

[21:57:32]

Wicked:

then you need to find the codeset for the blaster...and set the lircd.conf up

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ekristen:

I am not using the receiver

[21:58:05]

Wicked:

ah ok.

[21:58:06]

Wicked:

well

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ekristen:

I just need it to be able to change channels on my digital adapter for my verizon fios

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Wicked:

just try to add the firmware. then you need to modprobe these "modprobe lirc_dev debug=1 && modprobe lirc_pvr150 debug=1"

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Wicked:

yea

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ekristen:

ok

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ekristen:

will give that a try

[21:58:58]

Wicked:

then grab that huge list of remotes and it will go through each codeset...but keep an eye on the receiver.

[21:59:12]

Wicked:

when it goes off or on....take note of the code output in the console

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Wicked:

iirc...after putting the firmware in the lib dir...i may have rebooted....sometimes it would work without rebooting....other times it didnt want to load right without reboting.

[22:02:00]

ekristen:

Wicked: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf <-- what are the blaster ir codes in here for?

[22:02:41]

Wicked:

thats a huge list of codes..for differnt cable boxes and things.

[22:03:00]

Wicked:

you need to use that at 1st with lirc...then use the script that goes through all them and tests them out

[22:03:21]

Wicked:

its just blindly goign through all the codes trying to find ones that work with your cable box

[22:03:37]

Wicked:

sending power on/power off codes out from the blaster

[22:04:00]

Wicked:

when your blaster turns off or on the cable box...you know it found a code that works

[22:04:07]

Wicked:

then you copy out all the codes

[22:04:36]

Wicked:

at least thats my take on it lol

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Wicked:

to make sure your blaster is sending stuff out.....it should light up iirc...if not...if you have a cellphone with a camera or a real camera....look though the camera at the blaster and you should be able to see the the signal

[22:06:55]

Wicked:

if its not sending anything its not working

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nighthawk_:

is there a favored netbook/lowend notebook on the market for mythtv frontend?

[22:24:39]

wagnerrp:

low end and mythtv do not coexist

[22:25:00]

wagnerrp:

you *could* get by with a low end proc and an nvidia graphics chip

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wagnerrp:

but all of those low end systems have crappy integrated intel

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wagnerrp:

meaning you wont have the processor to decode it... and you cant use hardware offloading

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nighthawk_:

yeah, that is what I've seen so far

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nighthawk_:

everything is intel video

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nighthawk_:

is there any intel equiv to vdpau? I haven't followed anything from other vendors

[22:28:21]

nighthawk_:

I don't plan to run windows if I get a pc note/netbook

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ekristen:

Wicked: I get "irsend: transmission failed"

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Wicked:

did the firmware load correctly?

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Wicked:

check dmesg

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wagnerrp:

there is VAAPI on their higher end stuff

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wagnerrp:

but it is not yet available as a usable API

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nighthawk_:

by which you mean no ffmpeg support?

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wagnerrp:

by which i mean no linux drivers for ffmpeg to support

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nighthawk_:

oh, so is it a paper api only then?

[22:32:36]

nighthawk_:

or does the api part not stand for api?

[22:33:06]

wagnerrp:

the 4500 stuff has the required hardware, but the interface for it has not yet been put into the linux drivers

[22:33:40]

nighthawk_:

is that a likelyhood in the next 6months or so?

[22:33:53]

nighthawk_:

or is it like ATI

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wagnerrp:

no word

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nighthawk_:

the market doesn't compare to bulk ISV purchasing, but you'd think those two would go after linux video acceleration anyway

[22:35:05]

wagnerrp:

hell... ATI has had XvBA in their drivers since before VDPAU was around

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nighthawk_:

the # of posts relating to vdpau on various forums, it must have some boost to their sales

[22:35:26]

wagnerrp:

but there is no way to use it

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nighthawk_:

yeah, that is what I read when deciding on ati vs nvidia on my build

[22:36:06]

nighthawk_:

it was a murky subject, I almost bought ati until I stopped in here and asked, and was set straight

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wagnerrp:

linux CUDA support probably sold far more than VDPAU

[22:36:53]

wagnerrp:

linux multimedia is just not a significant market

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nighthawk_:

seems to be growing though, not on the scale of the CUDA market, but growing

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nighthawk_:

wonder what hauppage sales figures look like

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nighthawk_:

price of LCD tvs + hdmi connectivity + cost of hardware that can play back video, htpc is an attractive pursuit for someone like myself

[22:40:39]

nighthawk_:

if only digital cable + linux would play together nicer

[22:43:18]

ekristen:

Wicked: lirc_pvr150: failed to get data for code 0, key 9036 — check lircd.conf entries

[22:43:25]

Dagmar:

If only monopolists weren't such gigantic assholes

[22:43:36]

Dagmar:

It's neither the fault of linux or digital cable

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ekristen:

Wicked: my lircd.conf file borked?

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nighthawk_:

Dagmar, thats what I mean, that cable card nonsense + MPAA powerplay going on right now

[22:44:43]

ekristen:

Wicked: http://pastebin.ca/1552070

[22:44:52]

Wicked:

ekristen, hmm. well make sure you have restarted lircd with th new lircd.conf

[22:44:53]

Dagmar:

It's nothing a few intensely violent earthquakes can't fix.

[22:44:56]

nighthawk_:

the broadcast channels work great, and comcast is kind enough not to encrypt their home shopping channels (srsly, wtf)

[22:44:59]

Wicked:

and make sure the firmware is being loaded right

[22:45:19]

Wicked:

hmm

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Dagmar:

nighthawk_: They're actually not _allowed_ to

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ekristen:

Wicked: I am using my own that is suppose to be able to control the STB I have

[22:46:00]

ekristen:

if I use the one from your guide, how will it know which one to use

[22:46:03]

Wicked:

oh. no idea. might be a bad conf

[22:46:08]

nighthawk_:

Dagmar, exactly... now comcast is transitioning all their transmition to digital and rolling it out, I'll be pissed if they encrypt everything (minus the broadcast nets of course)

[22:46:09]

Dagmar:

They're not really encrypting any of the other non-premium channels, they're just flagging them with 5C so you can't get them

[22:46:14]

ekristen:

Wicked: that might be true :)

[22:46:16]

Wicked:

ekristen, like i had said.

[22:46:25]

Wicked:

ekristen, use the one i mentioned

[22:46:28]

Dagmar:

nighthawk_: They are basically just fear-mongering with that talk

[22:46:32]

Wicked:

then use the script listed to check them all

[22:46:43]

** wagnerrp goes back to watching the rapid prototyper prototype rapidly... **

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nighthawk_:

Dagmar, I'm not familiar with 5c?

[22:46:48]

Wicked:

once you find the right code...the cable box will turn on or off...u have the right code

[22:46:48]

Dagmar:

They _want_ people to move to digital because it means they'll all have to pay extra money for additional converter boxes

[22:47:01]

ekristen:

ok will do

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Wicked:

then get this and save it to /etc/lircd/conf : http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/lircd.conf

[22:47:05]

ekristen:

I misunderstood

[22:47:06]

Wicked:

then

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ekristen:

when I read it

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Wicked:

use this script to check which codeset to use. http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/send_power_new

[22:47:18]

Wicked:

np :)

[22:47:18]

Dagmar:

However, they're not *about* to walk away from all the money that the people who don't and won't be getting a digital reciever until their current TV is good and dead brings in

[22:47:41]

nighthawk_:

Dagmar, it is worse than that, you can't NOT get a box now unless you go with the 20 channel grandma package

[22:47:53]

Wicked:

just pay attention to the cable box when using that script...it wont stop when it finds a match..its your job to monitor it while its checking...then when the box goes off or on...ctrl + c to end the script

[22:48:11]

nighthawk_:

I tried to return mine to get it off the bill, they refused, said it was bundled and I couldn't not have it at their lowest regular offering

[22:48:16]

Wicked:

though on my cable box...more then one set of codes turns it off or on...and only one of the codesets fully works.

[22:48:28]

Wicked:

so it may take a few tries to get the right codeset

[22:48:36]

ekristen:

Wicked: ok ... downloading script ...

[22:48:41]

ekristen:

cable box is turned on ...

[22:48:45]

ekristen:

so we'll see how this goes

[22:48:47]

Wicked:

yea.

[22:48:48]

Wicked:

also

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Dagmar:

nighthawk_: Google "5c firewire" and you'll quickly learn why

[22:49:00]

ekristen:

yes?

[22:49:00]

Wicked:

make sure your blaster is RIGHT ON THE CABLE BOX

[22:49:06]

nighthawk_:

thing sits in a drawer, what do I need a cable box for when I have no premium chans, my tv has a digital tuner, and my myth tuner is digital

[22:49:24]

ekristen:

its like 3 inches from it

[22:49:27]

ekristen:

that not ok?

[22:49:34]

Wicked:

it doesnt have the best range

[22:49:37]

ekristen:

ok

[22:49:38]

Wicked:

and the line of sight is small

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nighthawk_:

oh, I'm not using firewire

[22:49:51]

Wicked:

its really best it is litterlly right on the cable box

[22:50:02]

nighthawk_:

just a hdr 2250

[22:50:06]

Wicked:

like mine : http://gallery.roob.us/d/3138-1/blaster.jpg

[22:50:40]

nighthawk_:

I think the signal is encrypted at the qam level? anycase, I can only tune what the FCC mandates be available

[22:50:50]

ekristen:

wow ok

[22:51:19]

Wicked:

yea. and with it like that ekristen ...if it gets twisted or moved...it wont work as good.

[22:51:26]

Dagmar:

nighthawk_: I said Google it, not that you had firewire

[22:51:39]

ekristen:

Wicked: clear side of the blaster or the dark side of the blaster toward the IR receiver?

[22:51:40]

Wicked:

so just make sure its facing the right way...right on the receiver.

[22:51:45]

Wicked:

dark side

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Dagmar:

The 5C thing is a similar, but separate issue

[22:51:54]

Wicked:

the clear side should be sticky

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ekristen:

running script

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nighthawk_:

I did google it, the posts I've read imply it is a flag for not passing a channel over firewire

[22:52:10]

Dagmar:

yes.

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Wicked:

ekristen, ok.

[22:52:26]

Dagmar:

They are completely allowed to encrypt their premium channels

[22:52:32]

nighthawk_:

I just want them to have more channels not w/encrypted qam

[22:52:34]

Dagmar:

...it would be poor form for them to NOT do so.

[22:52:54]

Dagmar:

However, they really aren't interested in letting anyone have anything unless ordered at judge-point

[22:53:08]

nighthawk_:

I've read somewhere I believe that in towns they rolled out all digital, there are more unecrypted channels

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nighthawk_:

SD channels

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Dagmar:

5C isnt' even encryption, afaik. It's just a handshake protocol that your box can't do if it's not on an "approved" device

[22:54:10]

Dagmar:

...bnecause if you had a 5C-capable DVR, you can be sure it's not going to be able to do whatever crazy decryption might be necessary

[22:54:11]

nighthawk_:

you mean the device attaching to firewire port on the STB?

[22:54:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[22:54:36]

nighthawk_:

firewire is a bus, wonder if you can just sniff the stream :-P

[22:54:40]

Dagmar:

There's a very few of these on the market, and they're basically handled by five companies

[22:54:49]

Dagmar:

5 Companies

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nighthawk_:

huge pita this drm crap

[22:55:31]

nighthawk_:

especially considering one could in theory obtain the content on the internet illicitly anyway

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Dagmar:

Trying to "play nice" is the only reason I've not cracked that thing and scattered it's shatterd pieces to the winds of the internet

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nighthawk_:

you a hardware engineer/dev?

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ekristen:

Wicked: in the 100 range, still nothing

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Dagmar:

Not exclusively

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Wicked:

ekristen, may take a few mins

[22:58:09]

Wicked:

also is the script outputting any errors or anything?

[22:58:18]

ekristen:

my STB is rather new, how up to date is the scripts?

[22:58:21]

ekristen:

no erros

[22:58:28]

ekristen:

and the led on the blaster is blinking

[22:58:33]

Wicked:

ekristen, im not sure tbh

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ekristen:

ok

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Wicked:

ekristen, ok awesome. so your blaster is working..u just need the right codeset for it

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Wicked:

so your almost there ;0

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ekristen:

yeah almost

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Wicked:

dinnner time afk

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nighthawk_:

is deleting all files in theme cache an appropriate way to clear it?

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jams:

yes

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nighthawk_:

thx :D

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Wicked:

hmm crap. for some reason mysql is taking up 99%cpu but if i stop mysql it goes away..but when i start it back up it goes back upto 99% cpu...and when i start mythfrontend it cant see all the recordings

[23:04:28]

Wicked:

is there anything i can do?

[23:04:49]

Wicked:

i think its missing recordings because it doesnt know to record because it seems the database is being dumb

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nighthawk_:

the facts indicate an issue with the db or mysql itself

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nighthawk_:

I would pursue that line

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Wicked:

hmm

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JEDIDIAH__:

given some of the db code, a pegged mysql instance is not unreasonable. it should still be accessable though.

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** sphery assumes you must mean, "Given the sheer amount of database access..." **

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nighthawk_:

how does MythVideo decide when to display fanart (e.g. the background image in Graphite theme) ? I have some folders where the top level folder will show it, others dont

[23:13:59]

nighthawk_:

some that do show it dont have any files in them, but have subfolders that do, and those have all their meta data

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jya:

iamlindoro: not sure if it's a real problem yet ; I had a file name "Test\ AC3\ v2.0.avi" ('\ ' is just a space). It never showed up in mythvideo, even after several scan changes. When I renamed it to channelsac3.avi ; was added automatically and was shown after the next scan

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Dagmar:

That's weird

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** sphery is having a dilemma **

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Dagmar:

I could swear I've had videos with whitespace in the filename

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JEDIDIAH__:

spaces in filename... kind of the bane of unix.

[23:20:55]

Dagmar:

Actually, having looked, I'm damn sure of it

[23:21:04]

Dagmar:

spaces in filenames... the bane of illiterate "admins"

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sphery:

The reported distances on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_2 disagree with NASA's values at http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-reports/index.htm

[23:21:08]

jya:

oh, I have plenty of files with spaces

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sphery:

I'm /assuming/ that wikipedia knows better, but...

[23:21:22]

jya:

just that one never showed up...

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sphery:

spaces won't be an issue

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jya:

sphery: just edit the wikipedia page so it's the same on both site ; problem solved :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah, but wikipedia is /always/ right, so NASA must be wrong

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kormoc:

sphery: just out of date ;)

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squidly:

5^/rlc

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sphery:

kormoc: true, if "out of date" encompasses future dates

[23:22:59]

sphery:

(i.e. they say it's farther than NASA says)

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kormoc:

ooh?

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kormoc:

As of June 19, 2009, Voyager 1 was at a distance of 110.239 AU (approximately 16.49 terameters, 10.22 billion miles

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sphery:

wikipedia, V-2: As of June 26, 2009, Voyager 2 was at a distance of around 89.41 AU (13.375 billion km, 8.311 billion miles

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kormoc:

Distance from the Sun (Mi)

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kormoc:

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kormoc:

10,249,000,000

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sphery:

nasa, V-2: Distance from the Earth (Km): 12,828,000,000 , Distance from the Earth (Mi) 7,971,000,000

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kormoc:

I was looking at voyager 1, which is the other way around

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kormoc:

10.22 vs 10.24

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iamlindoro:

jya, 2009-09–02 16:18:34.209 Adding : : Test AC3 v2.0.avi

[23:25:04]

iamlindoro:

Added okay here

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sphery:

kormoc: V-1 at Nasa (for 6–19): Distance from the Earth (Km) 16,372,000,000 , Distance from the Earth (Mi) 10,173,000,000

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jya:

weird ... Even when I selected the "Show File" bit it didn't show

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kormoc:

I was looking at the sun distance points

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jya:

BTW, I'm not using SG, but an actual disk

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kormoc:

ugh, so it's all over the map wrong

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iamlindoro:

just cp'ed a random AVI to that filename and did a scan... weird

[23:26:24]

sphery:

kormoc: my best guess is that wikipedia is measuring from their location--and some of those wikipedia editors are /way/ out there...

[23:26:31]

iamlindoro:

can see it in my "local" browse too

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kormoc:

sphery: ha, I'll accept that

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iamlindoro:

jya, 2009-09–02 16:27:07.363 Adding : : /MythMedia/temp/Test AC3 v2.0.avi

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iamlindoro:

That's the local version

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jya:

oh well, must be a local problem then ... i've never had this issue before

[23:28:30]

iamlindoro:

jya, there's *some* rancom charset issue floating around, as some people have problems w/ umlauted characters/etc... but don'

[23:28:44]

iamlindoro:

er don't know if it's a config issue or a Qt4 issue, or....

[23:29:07]

iamlindoro:

because the same filenames will works for some people, but not for one random guy... so it's possible this is related to that, I just don't know

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sphery:

kormoc: actually, looking at the dates specified and using distance from sun, it's correct... The problem is that the distance from sun dropped for V-2????

[23:29:28]

iamlindoro:

mya (and I stress *may*) be a qt bug w/ certain versions, but it's jsut a guess

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iamlindoro:

er may

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sphery:

I was just assuming that it would continually grow, but it seems it doesn't http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-re . . . 9-06-26.html vs http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-re . . . 9-07-31.html

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sphery:

maybe V-ger is coming home, now...

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kormoc:

so perhaps it's moving slower then the sun is moving?

[23:30:32]

kormoc:

sphery: no, we have no whales!

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sphery:

wonder how long 'til we pass it?

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kormoc:

Ever play solar winds?

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** iamlindoro would really like it if the hill he lived on stopped being ON FIRE **

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sphery:

the big jump was from http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-re . . . 9-07-10.html to http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-re . . . 9-07-17.html

[23:31:36]

sphery:

maybe someone updated the definition of the km between Jul 10 and Jul 17

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kormoc:

well, the KG keeps shrinking...

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iamlindoro:

Ohhh, you want KIBIlometers ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you have a garden hose and water service, right? less talk, more doing!

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sphery:

kormoc: it's increasing, but it just decreased between Jul 10 and 17, right (looking at distance from sun)

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Dagmar:

I've been on the internet for too long.

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iamlindoro:

They just keep bringing more fire trucks...

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kormoc:

sphery: yeah, it totally did

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Dagmar:

Even the phrase "water service" sounds fishy to me now.

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** sphery can't wait to see iamlindoro being interviewed on tonights news **

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sphery:

"Concerned citizen takes matters into his own hands"

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Dagmar:

"MAH FACE! IT WAS ON FAHR!"

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sphery:

seems each time there's a fire, they have one of those people

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sphery:

and all the firemen saying, "Don't do that..."

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iamlindoro:

I just watched them dump water from a helicopter

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iamlindoro:

that was neat

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Dagmar:

You mean the ones who'll slap an entire hillside flat with a garden trowel?

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iamlindoro:

the portion of the hill on fire is all dry brush, so not much to stomp

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sphery:

kormoc: anyway, the whole thing came about because I was going to update the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_probe with values from the Voyager pages, then though, "Hey, why not just update all 3 pages..."

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sphery:

thought

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: so how long until you're running away, cursing the day you told me to go ahead and set that fire?

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Dagmar:

Bricks of packed hardscrabble don't burn very well

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iamlindoro:

GDIAFBPNOTHWIL

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iamlindoro:

Go die in a fire, but please, not on the hill where I live

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Dagmar:

Do like management does.

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Dagmar:

Put up signs saying "Fires keep out"

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iamlindoro:

Supposed to go out w/ friends, but not willing to leave the dog here if there's any danger

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sphery:

kormoc: and your slower than the sun theory may actually hold water... the pic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voyager_1_e . . . h_region.jpg shows both v-gers approaching an angle close to 90deg from the path of the sun

[23:38:04]

sphery:

(though v-ger 2 is now in the heliosheath

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sphery:

I guess I'll have to leave it for the wikipedia brains to sort out.

[23:39:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro: could put a raincoat and glasses on the dog and take him with you...

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kormoc:

Alf!

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Dagmar:

"Note: Illustration not to scale."

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kormoc:

sphery: heh, wow, who knew I was such a rocket scientist?

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iamlindoro:

her, and we don't go in for those "dress up the dog" shenanigans around here!

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** kormoc goes to apply for Nasa **

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sphery:

Dagmar: voyager probes aren't that big?

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sphery:

kormoc: I know a bunch of people who work for NASA... Though, really, none of them are rocket scientists...

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Dagmar:

sphery: How big is your monitor?

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sphery:

that being a job-description-related comment, not a comment about their smarts

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nighthawk_:

is it possible to set fanart for a folder in mythvideo?

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kormoc:

sphery: I'd work at Nasa if I could take the first rocket out of here....

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sphery:

Dagmar: the probes look to be about 2x the size of the sun with much longer arms on them...

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Dagmar:

Hence, not to scale

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sphery:

I just figured they were made that big to make it easier to get launch them

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Dagmar:

...especially not when displayed on a desktop monitor of rational proportions

[23:43:58]

Dagmar:

Arin Sun, Chiana, Jade, Scorpius' little tart, and another one not granny who I can't remember right now

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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iamlindoro:

Za'an

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iamlindoro:

;)

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Dagmar:

SHe wasn't there during the last season when it was The Adventures of Cryten And The Space Wommin

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Dagmar:

...which is what we were trying to pin down

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nighthawk_:

next topic, farscape vs lexx

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Dagmar:

Lexx didnt' have nearly as many women on it

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Dagmar:

...and not nearly as many ARMED women

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nighthawk_:

true, but it was +10 weird

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