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Sunday, August 30th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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mzb:

LCD mounted on wall seems to be agreeable so far

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** mzb decides to get on with rehanging a pair of sliding doors **

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Dagmar:

Don't do it.

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Dagmar:

The doors will get pissed off that you're implying they weren't hanging correctly all this time.

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mzb:

I think they realise that I blame the previous owner ... he's f0rked all the doors in the house to the point where they don't work as advertised ... ie: can hardly be called doors ;)

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mzb:

I've re-hung/repaired half a dozen of them so far ... almost half way!

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mzb:

(adding reed switches to these ones so it's a job of necessity anyway;))

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jya:

Is there a way to play a mp3 file using the mythtv test binary ?

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sphery:

I think the Internal player doesn't handle playback of media without video well, if at all

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sphery:

so that would affect both mythtv mythfrontend (and the plugins using Internal)

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jya:

it plays well some .mpg audio test file I created ... but not mp3

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jya:

was given a PLII mp3 test,

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sphery:

I haven't tried it, myself, but I know we've had several users with DVB radio channels who found it wasn't really usable for them.

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jya:

wanted to check some channel ordering issue in the audio upmixer

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sphery:

I don't really know the status, but I'm pretty sure it would take some changes to make it work well.

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jya:

is there a way to rescan for music and remove all the old ones ? I changed the directory used for mythmusic, when into setup , did a scan, it still shows all the old music files from the previous folder

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sphery:

I don't know...

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sphery:

I don't really use MythMusic

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jya:

would have been much easier for me to debug via mythtv ... rather than through the nyth music folder

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rooaus:

jya: Is a while since I scanned but thought it would remove music not found. Hmmm, maybe that was removed as I think people lost their playback stats when a mount went away.

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jya:

i haven't used mythmusic is a long time, but that mp3 file is the only PLII file I have for testing unfortunately

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jya:

can tell mythmusic hasn't been looked after in a while... i get segfault after segfault :(

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sphery:

that's almost definitely from using the (segfault-causing-whose-name-I-forgot) visualizers

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jya:

libvisual? yes it does make libGL segfault

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sphery:

libvisual/Project-M

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if you disable all of them, you'll probably never get a segv in MM

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jya:

but here i'm talking about plain mythmusic menu

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jya:

import files -> segfault

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sphery:

really... haven't heard of any issue, lately

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sphery:

(but I haven't used it in years, so all my info is just hearsay)

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jya:

I guess I'll need to find a video with PLII test audio to test my channel order

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jya:

import files -> #0 0x00007f215a8d9d03 in QString::operator== () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4

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jya:

No symbol table info available.

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jya:

#1 0x00007f215f8e80bb in MythUIText::SetText (this=0x0, text=@0x7fff6a884000) at mythuitext.cpp:95

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jya:

it's mythui there

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sphery:

yeah... I know gbee hasn't really done the mythui conversion for MM, so it's not too surprising it has some issues

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jya:

it's when loading GANT/music-ui.xml

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sphery:

progress dialog, maybe (which would explain its being mythui)?

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jya:

sphery: would you have a fancy mysql command that automagically delete any mythmusic settings ?

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sphery:

jya: sorry... I don't really know anything about MythMusic.

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jya:

ok ... I'm converting that mp3 to a video , will be easier to test, and won't have to sort out things with mythmusic

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jams:

sphery- thinking back prefacing all the settings with the plugin name might have been a good diea

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jams:

idea

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sphery:

yeah, I know And uin is doing that for MythVideo stuff, now

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jams:

good good

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sphery:

(or, actually, Video*)

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sphery:

would be nice for it to spread through others, too

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jams:

Mine are all prefaced with HOST, it was a very good idea =)

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sphery:

:)

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jams:

which when you look at the settings copy patch, the sql will make a whole lot more sense with that key bit of info.

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jams:

Can't decide if I want to work on that patch or update mythsmolt.

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monz187:

hi ppl....

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monz187:

any way i can have mythtv execute a script as soon as live tv starts and then execute another script when live tv ends?

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jams:

monz187- not really, the best you can do is setting up a change channel script

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jams:

what problem are you attempting to solve

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monz187:

jams: i have a script that pipes audio from my tv card to my sound system, and bypasses the sound card speakers.... if i start it before i start live tv, then there is an audio sync issue.... however if they start at the same time there is less of an issue... you know what im getting at?

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gizmobay:

I'm running trunk on mythubuntu. I did a ps -A and I see two backends running

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gizmobay:

How could this be?

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jams:

monz187- only two solutions that i see. 1) loop the audio back to myth and have it encoded with the video. 2) bypass myths player altogether and have a menu item to launch an external script that will take care of both audio and video.

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monz187:

how do you loop audio back to myth?

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jams:

get a patch cable plug one end into line-out, the other into line-in. Setup the mixer to record from line-in

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jams:

same thing you do for frame-grabber cards and mythtv.

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monz187:

jams: i'll try that....

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jams:

it should be covered in the docs or wiki

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[R]:

how big are hdpvr files?

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mkrufky:

how long do you record, [R]

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mkrufky:

and what resolution

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mkrufky:

and what quality?

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mkrufky:

as you can see, there is no straightforward answer

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[R]:

the highest quality, 1080i, 30 minutes

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[R]:

i'm just looking for a ballpark

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mkrufky:

HD PVR records in h264

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mkrufky:

depending on the quality setting of your choice, and the resolution and the length

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mkrufky:

i recorded 1 hour of battlestar galactica using default settings, 1080i .....

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mkrufky:

2856349696

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mkrufky:

2.8 G, where 1 hour of 1080i mpeg2 off CBS is more like 7 GB

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[R]:

ok so roughly 3gb/hr

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abqjp:

[R], At maximum *VBR* bitrate, files are around 2.6GB/hour

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mkrufky:

thanks, abqjp

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mkrufky:

so i must have had it on a maximum

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[R]:

i'm trying to figure out if i'm gonna hate myself if i only get a 500gb drive

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mkrufky:

that was with the first run of janneg's driver

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abqjp:

At Maximum CBR, files approach 6GB/hour

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[R]:

80 hours... how long is that? lol

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mkrufky:

dont record for 80 hours straight... ull be disappointed :-P

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[R]:

why?

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mkrufky:

actually, that was a joke — i take it back .. only few people would get it

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abqjp:

mkrufky, does the HD-PVR still fail if told to record more than 12 hours straight?

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mkrufky:

we told (i forgot who) how to fix that

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mkrufky:

its 13.5 hours

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abqjp:

Ah.

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[R]:

to be honest, right now i never save anything on my DVR

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mkrufky:

just do a quick stop/start in the driver if you notice no data coming in

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[R]:

so i think 80 hours should be fine

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mkrufky:

unfortunately, you'll notice a small glitch in the recording

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mkrufky:

but its a small price to pay

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abqjp:

Even with recording things like Tennis Grand Slams, I don't typically record a single show that long.

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mkrufky:

who records for that long, anyway?

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[R]:

what if you are recording the olympics?

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mkrufky:

abqjp: im not sure if that info got to janneg or not ... but ur involved in that driver too, right?

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abqjp:

mkrufky, Myth already has a mechanism in place, such that if a data stops flowing from the HD-PVR, it automatically re-starts it.

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mkrufky:

good

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leprechau:

lol seriously that is what i was thinking....if you are recording that long you probably forgot to turn the telly off of livetv when you left the house

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mkrufky:

my thoughts, exactly

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[R]:

what if they are playing a marathon

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abqjp:

mkrufky, I know that janneg knows about it. My memory was that it was a firmware problem, though.

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[R]:

like for a few days straight

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abqjp:

[R], even marathons are typically broken up into episodes.

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leprechau:

even tv marathons take breaks...use the scheduler instead of just leaving it on one channel

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[R]:

abqjp: so if myth starts a new recording it woudln't encounter this problem?

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abqjp:

[R], correct

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[R]:

oh, then yeah, i get your point

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mkrufky:

yeah its in the firmware

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[R]:

i'm getting my hddvr on tue, i'm so excited

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[R]:

hdpvr*

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[R]:

lol

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abqjp:

[R], I have two of them. They are a savior for anyone that wants HD from any source other that OTA.

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mkrufky:

also nice for spying on people in the other room :-P

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mkrufky:

i mean ... spying on whatever they're watching

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mkrufky:

<-- wierdo

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i want to give the big F-YOU to my cable company and their $5 dvr "service" fee ontop of the fee for the box

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abqjp:

While the fee is annoying, the cable companies excuse for a DVR was even more annoying. What a piece of junk. Directv/DISH DVRs a bit better, but even they cannot compete with Myth.

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[R]:

i think the SA8300 is atrocious

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[R]:

if i try to record 3 things at once, i have to completely cancel a recording schedule of the show i want to remove to fix the conflict

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abqjp:

Yup. Any try to watch something that is still recording from the beginning of the show --- you can't

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abqjp:

-- at least without rewinding.

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[R]:

oh, i've never noticed that

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[R]:

i always start my shows 15 minutes into recording and it starts at the beginning

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[R]:

it gives me an option 'start at beginning' or 'start at current time'

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abqjp:

they must have fixed that problem. I have been with Directv now for 2.5 years.

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abqjp:

[R], I assume you are going to use firewire to change channels?

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[R]:

a friend of mine switched to direct for the sports

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[R]:

abqjp: if only i could

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[R]:

it says "disabled" in the status page

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[R]:

and i've never been able to get plugreport to give me good news

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abqjp:

[R], even if you cannot record via firewire, it should still work for channel changes. The cable company MUST provide you with a box that has enabled firewire. FCC requirement.

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[R]:

yeah, i tried calling them up once

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[R]:

had a "supervisor" call me back

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[R]:

i might try again

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abqjp:

The city of Albuquerque has a webpage where people can complain about local "services". I issued a complaint about Comcast not giving me a firewire-enabled box. Within 24 hours I had someone calling from Comcast asking where to deliver the box.

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abqjp:

The city has the power to revoke the cable companies right to operate.

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abqjp:

Like I said, I have moved on to Directv since then. I choose Directv over Dish mostly because you can use a USB cable to control their STBs.

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Dagmar:

I saw a nifty little webpage the other day devoted to just advising people on how to carp at the cable company and what magic words to use to get things done, including who to tell at the FCC

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Dagmar:

This is a good change.

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[R]:

another problem is i am not 100% sure my firewire card works

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Dagmar:

R: You can't find some mac user with some trivial firewire device you can rope in for a simple test?

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

maybe actually

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Dagmar:

Mainly tho there's enough descriptions of what's _supposed_ to happen when you prime a firewire connection it should be able to tell you something, but it'll be easier with a known, working firewire device

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[R]:

i did find some fcc pdf that says the firewire requirement

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

The problem there is that the cable companies have taken it as meaning they have to only give lip service to that

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Dagmar:

In a lot of markets, you can change channels and get the local stations that broadcast in the clear, but actually getting anything else through firewire involves the "5c" protocol...

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Dagmar:

...which is to say, "monopoly protection"

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Dagmar:

In theory it's supposed to protect content from being sent to a device whose manufacturers have sworn to never let their device make more than one copy of the data.

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Dagmar:

In practice it's a great big middle finger to anyone with an open-source distro.

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abqjp:

mkrufky, Have you heard any rumors about the HD-PVR supporting closed-captions?

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mkrufky:

hmm i dunno

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mkrufky:

it probably does

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mkrufky:

its probably some fxx regulation or something

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mkrufky:

fcc

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mkrufky:

obviously i dont work with it during the day

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

sorry, my answer wasnt helpful, i know

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mkrufky:

i will inquire and get back to u during the week

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mkrufky:

remind me if u dont get any answer by the middle of the week

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abqjp:

mkrufky, Thanks. The HD-PVR FAQ on your website says that it is possible, but does not currently.

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drenyx:

so, my first time doing mythtv stuff, got a fresh install of slackware 13.0 and the configure script doesn't seem to like my Qt version, should I get the latest or I think I saw somewhere it might something specific

[05:09:56]

mkrufky:

on *my* web site?

[05:10:11]

mkrufky:

btw, my linuxtv work grandfathers my employer

[05:10:17]

mkrufky:

and neither of those are *my* web site

[05:10:50]

Dagmar:

drenyx: 64-bit or 32-bit?

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abqjp:

mkrufky, Ah come-on. Have some ambition ;-p

[05:11:19]

Dagmar:

(That question is only somewhat unrelated to your issue.)

[05:11:20]

drenyx:

32-bit, I see the readme says it doesn't like qt v4.0+, should I just get the most recent 3.x version?

[05:11:31]

abqjp:

mkrufky, don't you want to own Hauppauge at some point?

[05:11:32]

Dagmar:

drenyx: Yes, you'll need 3.x for 0.21-fixes afaik

[05:11:41]

drenyx:

just curious about the 64 bit versions of slackware?

[05:11:48]

Dagmar:

drenyx: Keep an eye out for me and/or GreyFoxx. We're the two Slackware heads in here

[05:11:53]

drenyx:

sweet

[05:11:57]

drenyx:

at least I'm not the only one

[05:11:57]

Dagmar:

drenyx: I've no idea about it yet as I haven't installed it

[05:12:04]

Dagmar:

...but I'll probably have that running before Monday night

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** mkrufky runs away screaming **

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Dagmar:

At the moment I've been running Myth on Slack 12.

[05:12:13]

drenyx:

I just made a freakish box from a pile of metal with an itx board inside

[05:12:28]

drenyx:

have pics :>

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Dagmar:

I'll probably have binary packages for Myth in another week built against 13

[05:12:54]

drenyx:

not soon enough to keep me from fighting it myself :>

[05:12:54]

Dagmar:

I just have to get the Dropline harness set up for it

[05:12:59]

Dagmar:

Oh hahah

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drenyx:

I was looking at mythtv's game stuff

[05:13:22]

Dagmar:

There's more than enough stuff there to keep you busy scratching your head for a week after you get it running. Heh

[05:13:45]

drenyx:

don't have a tv card in here yet, but figured I'd use the interface for playing movies and games via emulators

[05:13:56]

Dagmar:

Ah well, remember to fake it

[05:13:57]

[R]:

is the blue light on the hd pvr bothersome? does anyone just open it up and unplug it?

[05:14:00]

drenyx:

have lirc setup and just got the remote config sent off for my remote

[05:14:05]

Dagmar:

The backend will not like it if you don't have any sources set up

[05:14:10]

Dagmar:

Just lie to it

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drenyx:

got it

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Dagmar:

There's a recommendation on the wiki somewhere about what specific lies it'll accept the most readily

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drenyx:

I have to say, I'm starting to get scared...

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Dagmar:

Like I said, keep an eye out for us

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drenyx:

usually you ask for help and either no one is alive in a linux channel or they start yelling :P

[05:15:14]

Dagmar:

I don't think there's a Slackware problem that we can't solve

[05:15:31]

drenyx:

I've been using slackware solid since late 3.x releases

[05:15:34]

abqjp:

[R], it would be if it was in the same room as my TV.

[05:15:36]

Dagmar:

Same here

[05:15:47]

Dagmar:

'cept a bit earlier... 3.0

[05:16:00]

Dagmar:

I cant' remember what of it I'd installed from floppies before then

[05:16:14]

drenyx:

I did do floppies once

[05:16:21]

Dagmar:

I was still undecided between Wfwg 3.11 and Slackware then, but Trumpet Winsock finally made up my mind

[05:16:31]

drenyx:

I'm waiting to see how much I can throw at this via c7 chip and what it won't do

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Dagmar:

One too many unexplained OS explosions on Windows

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** drenyx twitches **

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Good luck with that. Hopefully it's not gimped like the C6

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Dagmar:

We had to put hooks in the Dropline installer to catch those people and tell them firmly "no"

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drenyx:

I've heard it's still underpowered for the speed

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Dagmar:

It had fake pentium operations which fail

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drenyx:

that's definately not good

[05:17:44]

Dagmar:

Like, perfectly useable binaries on a "normal" 586 would just EIP and die

[05:18:10]

drenyx:

it's supposed to be a 1.5Ghz chip, though I think I've seen some tom's hardware thing showing it running about a celeron 700Mhz

[05:19:54]

drenyx:

so far it's played back a .mkv file using ~80% cpu or so

[05:20:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah, VIA likes to cut corners with a belt sander

[05:20:33]

Dagmar:

...especially when it comes to math ops.

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drenyx:

I've ended up in construction due to demand for computer types not paying as well...

[05:20:46]

Dagmar:

Too right

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drenyx:

so belt sander is a relative term for me

[05:20:53]

Dagmar:

OKay, tree chipper then

[05:21:06]

drenyx:

that's a bit more clear

[05:21:24]

drenyx:

boss and someone used to tweak their belt sanders and have 'races'

[05:21:30]

drenyx:

and then there's normal belt sanders

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Dagmar:

Yeah either way it's nto a tool that has any business near a PC

[05:22:34]

drenyx:

you just need the right type of creativity

[05:22:44]

drenyx:

like I said, I made this case from a pile of metal...

[05:23:03]

drenyx:

all the itx enclosures I found on the market wouldn't house 2 full size drives

[05:23:12]

drenyx:

so I gave up and made one

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kormoc:

demand for computer types not paying as well as construction?

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** kormoc blinks **

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drenyx:

well, at least as of a few years ago

[05:24:00]

drenyx:

I have skills but no papers for computer types :P

[05:24:06]

kormoc:

maybe for entry level...

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drenyx:

too many people have papers and a few skills

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kormoc:

and what are these papers you speak of? Cause paper can be had for like $5 for 500 sheets anywhere...

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Dagmar:

Go to act-online

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Dagmar:

They're free and "reasonably" acceptable

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drenyx:

so I see qt embedded or qt x11 ?

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kormoc:

qt embedded won't work with myth

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drenyx:

so the qt x11 is what I need then

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drenyx:

or is there something else hiding out there?

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kormoc:

Given it's typically just called qt, I wouldn't know

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Dagmar:

You want qt-x11

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Dagmar:

You will also want to make sure you logout and back in so you'll get QTPATH and so on set

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Dagmar:

It won't build right without those set (iirc)

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drenyx:

yeah...thanks

[05:32:51]

drenyx:

File:qt-x11-free-3.3.8b.tar.gz is as it shows on the ftp, website wants you to get 4.x

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Dagmar:

Well, that's ebcasue 4.x is the tree you'd need to run KDE

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Dagmar:

He's been building against 4.x afaik

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Dagmar:

Myth, on the other hand, needs 3.x with 0.21-fixes

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drenyx:

yeah

[05:34:01]

drenyx:

that's what I seem to have gotten

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Dagmar:

I've got tidied-up builds of Qt and MySQL that'll be ported over once I get working on 13

[05:35:38]

drenyx:

I shouldn't have to worry about reinstalling MySQL right since slackware has it included

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Dagmar:

Yeah but I specifically diddled init scripts so that there's a number of install steps pertaining to MythTV that you do not have to touch

[05:36:20]

Dagmar:

...up to and including creating the database and setting up a default account with a randomized pw

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Dagmar:

It r automagicals

[05:37:16]

Dagmar:

...that and I got a little sick of retyping the same crap over and over when I'd blow the thing away and redo it all

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drenyx:

I hear you there

[05:39:30]

drenyx:

umm, so I'm feeling stupid but I fought my raid last night and tired of fighting stuff for the moment...

[05:39:52]

drenyx:

the readme says I need to have it (qt) compiled with mysql bindings

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drenyx:

should I expect it will figure this out on it's own?

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Dagmar:

Yeah I also beat stuff into the myth-mysql init script to check the db, and refuse to start if there was corruption, which ties into the mythbackend init script making damn sure the mysqld is running before *it* tries to start

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Dagmar:

...since that was my #1 failure state

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Dagmar:

drenyx: It's compiled with the mysql bindings

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Dagmar:

Unlike Ubuntu people, we don't have to make sure a package with just one library gets installed before things will work

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Dagmar:

I had an issue with my PVR-500 for awhile causing the whoel machine to crash, so database corruption was like a once-a-week occurrence here for awhile

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Dagmar:

Now for a worst-case scenario here it'll automatically slap in the last kosher backup, but I still don't trust that script well enough to inflict it on others

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drenyx:

wee...fun with networks :>

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drenyx:

what other stuff should I start pushing for working while this is compiling?

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drenyx:

so, Dagmar you still around?

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tim:

hail everybody i having this issue on my frontend, which can't seem to play live tv or play recordings from by backend on another pc

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tim:

2009-08–30 16:03:19.837 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1005_20090830160318.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

[06:21:47]

tim:

permissions issue?

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drenyx:

if I install the new (old) qt and have 4.5.1 it seems on my system now, is this gonna make a nice version conflict thing?

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[R]:

drenyx: new old?

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Dagmar:

Hopefully noyt

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Dagmar:

er not

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Dagmar:

I would assume Patrick would have made sure they could coexist if it were possible

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drenyx:

I have 4.5.1 on my system now, am compiling 3.3.8b I think for mythtv .21

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drenyx:

(for R)

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

4 and 3 can coexist

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drenyx:

do you know what 3 installs to by default?

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[R]:

wherever the pacakger decided to put it

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Dagmar:

Oh I thought you were talking about some extra package Patrick was maintaining for legacy apps

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drenyx:

or they just really coexist nicely and don't have to worry about it

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[R]:

it usually gets its own prefix in u/sr

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[R]:

/usr*

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tim:

i installed myth ubunto 9, set one machine to backend and my machine to front end, i got it connect via the ipaddress and it works..but when it comes to playing live tv and recordings that error comes up, for recording says it can't find the recording

[06:25:38]

tim:

but it plays it on a little square right hand corner..strange

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drenyx:

does qt take forever to compile normally or is it just my box?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

It's just being Qt.

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drenyx:

I think my kernel compiles faster

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Dagmar:

It generally will

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Dagmar:

I didn't try to keep metrics, but Firefox builds faster than freaking Qt

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Dagmar:

I must have compiled Qt about 40 times here in the last year, so it definitely stands out as glacial

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tim:

i tried stream from backend option but it failed

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drenyx:

a nicely before bed thing?

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drenyx:

start compile, go to bed, continue next morning

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Chaorain:

I have a show in the Live TV buffer. How do I save it?

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Dagmar:

The leprechaun in my closet says to press the 'r' key

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Dagmar:

It may or may not work. You can't really trust those guys.

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Chaorain:

tried that. no go

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[R]:

Dagmar: surely keepig a leprechaun in your closet isn't legal...

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Dagmar:

Maybe look in the key binding plugin

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Dagmar:

[R]: Squatter's rights

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

The sherrif's office has been less than helpful in the eviction process.

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drenyx:

take the opposite approach, you've imprisoned the creature and if you don't get the money you demand it's staying there

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Chaorain:

um. can't find it

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Dagmar:

pHm... I see where it's going to be documented once I find the answer myself

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Dagmar:

It *should* be mentioned at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LiveTV but it's not

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Dagmar:

I know it's a one-button operation

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Dagmar:

I've seen it discussed in here enough times

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Chaorain:

Oh and by save I mean rename it so it dosen't auto expire in 1 day

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Chaorain:

or what ever the time limit is

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Dagmar:

That's not anything to do with it's name

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Chaorain:

ok lets make that another question. How do I rename a program?

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Dagmar:

//www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg73946.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-user . . . sg73946.html

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Dagmar:

According to this, R does it

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Dagmar:

There's no real facility for renaming things without manually prodding the database

[06:41:26]

Dagmar:

Wait, actually so does the wiki, it just doesn't mention a keypress

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Chaorain:

R for me makes all groups but "Watch List" and "All Programs" disapear

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Chaorain:

oh while WATCHING it

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Chaorain:

I was doing it from the program menu

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to just drop the LiveTV flag from the recording

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Dagmar:

Yeah I thought you were pushing it while actually watching

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Chaorain:

I have it set to show live tv things

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Chaorain:

thanks

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drenyx:

dagmar: how hard is the rest of mythtv stuff after lirc is up and working?

[06:43:57]

Dagmar:

Apparently 'r' and 'R' cycle through different types, but I don't know what that's about. I thought there's just be "LiveTV" and "Not LiveTV"

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Storebought cake

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Dagmar:

lirc is a BITCH

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tim:

2009-08–30 16:31:35.359 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1023_20090830135500.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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Dagmar:

You picked the ugliest part of it all to use as an upper bounds

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drenyx:

sweet

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drenyx:

lirc is done and up

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Dagmar:

tim: Mount the remote filesystem on the frontend then

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Chaorain:

ah beat me to it Dagmar

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drenyx:

I made a serial module from the electronics store like they show on lirc.org

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drenyx:

got that working

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Dagmar:

and it works?

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Dagmar:

Cool

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drenyx:

mounted in case

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Dagmar:

I was lazy and just bought a high-powered transciever

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drenyx:

only 2 screw heads and a hole for the eye in the front of the case

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tim:

Dagmar, shouldn't it automatically work?

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drenyx:

picked up this remote http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:3-_nX7rF-W . . . 90139699.jpg

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Dagmar:

I went through too much bullsh*t back in '98 doing some IR stuff with various storebought recievers that were either wired insanely, or just crap

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Chaorain:

tim, unless your front and backends are the same computer, no

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drenyx:

I ended up having to run irrecord twice and doing the volume buttons seperate from the rest of the buttons

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Dagmar:

tim: It's telling you outright it wants a local file

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drenyx:

and having 2 remotes in 1 config file for it to all work

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Dagmar:

Just make sure they appear to be in the same place as on the backend

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drenyx:

so by the time I had all the lirc stuff played with before, only took me an hour or two to have all of lirc working

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Chaorain:

tim, the video and music plugins are weird

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Dagmar:

...then mythvideo will be happy

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Dagmar:

drenyx: I was doing some evil things with IR, so I spent a lot of time staring at mode2 output

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tim:

Chaorain, front end and backend are two sperate machines

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Dagmar:

Specifically, I was looking to mitm certain types of IR network connections

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drenyx:

mitm?

[06:48:09]

Dagmar:

man in the middle

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Chaorain:

tim, so mount the backends /var/lib/mythtv/video directory to the same on your front end

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drenyx:

ah

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drenyx:

yeah, I can see how that would make IR much less secure

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tim:

ok i'll try...

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Dagmar:

It requires ninja-like timing, but you can flip individual bits in other people's transmissions

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Chaorain:

Dagmar, Can you help tim? I have to go

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[R]:

on a scale of 1 to 10... how much does IR blasting suck?

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Dagmar:

You've no idea how much I hate NTFS

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Dagmar:

er NFS

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Chaorain:

yeah those are a little different

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Dagmar:

There's also jillions of howtos on the web for this

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mindoms:

Dagmar: turning 0 to 1 is simple, sure. but how du you turn 1 into 0 ?

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Dagmar:

mindoms: You use a stronger signal

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Dagmar:

If you're three times as bright as the other guy, you win

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mindoms:

like, a stronger no-light-impulse?

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Dagmar:

Look into how PCM works. It'll become more obvious

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mindoms:

hm

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Dagmar:

The transitions between high and low states have no upper bounds, so to speak

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drenyx:

dagmar: you're saying the receiving eye is receiving 1s about a 3/10 and you start giving it 1s at 8/10 signal, and by comparison it interprets the 3/10 signal as background noise ?

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mindoms:

is there a way to detect if the nic is idle for some minutes?

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Dagmar:

drenyx: That's what it amounts to

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Dagmar:

drenyx: It's a good bloody thing IR is *slow*

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Dagmar:

mindoms: Probably

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Dagmar:

Whether or not there's a decent use for that...

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Dagmar:

drenyx: and there is no /10

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drenyx:

well, you know what I'm saying

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Dagmar:

These things wouldn't operate unless you had curtains if they expected a particular level of light

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drenyx:

11 being the brightness level at which the fire burns up the receiving device

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Dagmar:

The amount of IR from simple sunlight floods them out

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Dagmar:

er would flood them out

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mindoms:

i just want to put my backend to sleep after some time. but its also a file server. so it should only suspend if there was no nfs and no myth activity for some while

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Dagmar:

Unfortunately, there's not even a really useful thing you could do with that as far as I can tell, other than screw with Palm PDAs and FedEx guys (who no longer use those types of handhelds)

[06:56:05]

Dagmar:

mindoms: That won't work

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Dagmar:

Far as I know the frontend will never send a WOL and the moment you try to do something with your remote frontend when the backend isn't up... *POP*

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tim:

how do i create root password again? when there isn't on

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clever:

tim: ubuntu?

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Dagmar:

Neither NFS nor CIFS/SMB handle a remote host mysteriously going away any better than a 5-year old with a popped balloon

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tim:

clever, yeah

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clever:

tim: sudo passwd root

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tim:

i'm trying mount but i need root access

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mindoms:

its waking up on unicast messages... so i might just have to increase the timeout...

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Dagmar:

Don't bother setting one. Just type `sudo bash` and give it the finger

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Dagmar:

Ah

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mindoms:

s/a/any

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clever:

Dagmar: on ocasion, nfs clients recover when the nfs server comes back

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mindoms:

lol. that substitution was nonsense

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Dagmar:

So the whole thing crumples into a heap three times out of five instead of all the time

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Dagmar:

Yay

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clever:

tim: i prefer to use 'sudo -i' over 'sudo bash'

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clever:

Dagmar: i think the problem was the server config

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clever:

Dagmar: the server that was broken, is one i messed with to make it work when sharing /

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clever:

and i believe setting a static fsid in the exports file solved it, but havent rebooted to tes

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Dagmar:

This is why we worry about your sanity.

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clever:

t

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drenyx:

holy crap qt compiled

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Dagmar:

You don't share /.

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drenyx:

past tense

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mindoms:

so, do you think it could work with wake from unicas messages?

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clever:

Dagmar: list a few major reasons why

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Dagmar:

mindoms: assuming your BIOS doesn't have a completely jacked-up WON support

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tim:

mount 192.168.0.5<---backend /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ <------should that be fine? for nfs mount?

[07:00:20]

Dagmar:

clever: /proc

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Dagmar:

clever: /tmp

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clever:

Dagmar: proc is local and virtual, procfs

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Dagmar:

clever: /dev and /sys

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clever:

same for dev and sys

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Dagmar:

There is no point in ever making them available to remote hosts over NFS

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clever:

the /dev /sys /proc are all empty folders on nfs

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Dagmar:

...and there's only madness in exporting /etc

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clever:

which the local client covers up with virtual file systems

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clever:

the bigest problem in sharing /tmp/ is /tmp/.X11-unix/

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clever:

when i shutdown :0 on 1 client, it deletes the sockets, and breaks :0 on every other client

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tim:

clever, thanks for sudo things thats done

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clever:

so i threw a tmpfs at it

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Dagmar:

Additionally, /lib and /sbin and all those other cool top-level "these had better be in your initrd or you're boned" directories

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clever:

Dagmar: and i have an initrd

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Dagmar:

No the biggest problem in sharing /tmp is that it's server local

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Dagmar:

...and many many things will expect LOCKING to work

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clever:

locking doesnt lock up

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Dagmar:

I'll wager it doesn't actually lock either.

[07:02:52]

clever:

it seems to work within the client atleast, i havent tested it much more

[07:03:08]

Dagmar:

flock() across NFS is entirely unreliable

[07:03:27]

clever:

ive had bigger problems with prelink

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clever:

prelink would keep deleting and replacing binarys, while they where in use

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clever:

causing eratic bus errors, because the file in the nfs handle no longer existed

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Dagmar:

tim: If you've not found it yet, http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s03. . . . server_setup is pretty darn comprehensive

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Dagmar:

clever: Yes the phrase "non-varadic" comes to mind

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clever:

i solved that by uninstalling prelink

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clever:

it didnt give any noticable speed boost

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tim:

Dagmar, i did this NFS stuff years ago, but i've forgotten it

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Dagmar:

tim: I used to do it frequently. Now I just go look it up

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clever:

every other problem i came across, i simply mod the program to use $HOSTNAME in the path to its 'private' state files

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Dagmar:

Too many times have I misnamed something by accident

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clever:

which seems to have broken nfs recovery(after server reset), but otherwise things work well

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tim:

still not luck after the mount

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tim:

how do i find out what dir my frontend is looking into?

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drenyx:

well my qt didn't seem to come out happy, so is there anything else mythtv type I can play with while waiting for qt?

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mindoms1:

i'd like to suspend the backend machine if there was no activity on some ports (mythtv/mysql/nfs/samba/http/ssh/maybe ping) for 10 minutes. any idea how that could be done?

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mindoms1:

maybe touching a file when such a packet is recieved. and a cronjob checks if that file is older then 10 minutes?

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[R]:

a hacky way

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[R]:

would be to get iptables to log traffic to a file

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mindoms1:

okay, thanks. ill read into iptables

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clever:

id have iptables delete the rule once traffic is detected, and put it back after ~8 minutes

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clever:

then wait a few more minutes to test the traffic

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clever:

so the rule isnt there 24/7 and eating up CPU and log space

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mindoms1:

oh, cool. can iptables launch a command?

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[R]:

the script that detects the traffic would have to do it

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clever:

you could write up a small daemon, and then run

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clever:

tail -F /var/log/kern.log | mydaemon

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clever:

then it will get all the kernel logs on stdin

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[R]:

you could just as eaisily put a cronjob

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[R]:

granted the daemon would be suspended while waiting for input

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clever:

cron would eat some cpu every x mins, while a deamon would just eat a small bit of ram and not have to load every time

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clever:

depends on if you want to waste cpu or ram

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mindoms1:

i guess ill go with ram

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[R]:

my goal is to just use myth'd builtin shutdown capabilities to suspend my box

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mindoms1:

well. thta shouldnt be too hard

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clever:

ive got way too many tools running on */5, so every 5 minutes, the system is hit with such a sudden load that the tv lags

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[R]:

someone once told me its possible to do every 5 minutes not on the 5 minute

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[R]:

but like 1,6,11

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clever:

renicing the video decoding thread to -19 fixed it

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clever:

yeah thats posible too

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clever:

but i'm trying to sync it with a */5 task on a website i dont control

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[R]:

hrm, reading the cron man page, the syntax they told me 1/5, makes sense

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[R]:

i dindt quite understand it at the time

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waxhead_:

has anyone got mythtv working on a PS3... ?

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jya:

I did.. hopeless.. The PS3 only has 256MB of RAM, the supervisor only let you access the framebuffer for any video related stuff, so you don't get any hardware accelerated video... slow as ..

[09:43:57]

jya:

no point really.

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waxhead_:

jya: cool thanks..

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jya:

and Sony has now removed the option to load 3rd party OS (e.g linux) on their new PS3

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waxhead_:

jya: yeah I see that, hence I thought I'd ask about mythtv...

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jya:

you're better off using UPnP provided by mythbackend and watch the recordings and video on the PS3 directly using their built-in video player

[09:45:35]

waxhead_:

if it worked ok, I'll track down an older one before it goes.

[09:45:55]

waxhead_:

jya: that works?

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jya:

it doesn't.. Like even drawing a menu takes over a second ; and when watching live TV, I best I got 2–3 frame per second

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waxhead_:

jya: right...

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jya:

from the PS3 OS, yes it works. You can't watch live TV, but you can watch recordings, and any videos stored on your backend

[09:47:05]

waxhead_:

jya: but can you work out what's been recorded?

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waxhead_:

I really want a front end to play live tv at some stage too...

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jya:

it will appear as a bunch of files ...

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jya:

in a "video" or "media" folder (cna't remember which)

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waxhead_:

I guess that makes sense

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AndyCap:

not to mention the new ps3 doesn't get linux support

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AndyCap:

and if they plan to run the same firmware on them, It might go away on the older one too if they can't be arsed to support the hypervisor

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AndyCap:

jya: sorry, didn't see you already mentioned that.

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jya:

the PS3 could have been a good frontend, it's small, really powerful , and very quiet

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jya:

my understanding is that they allowed to put 3rd party firmware in order to enjoy a lower tax bracket in the UK and to be classified as a personal computer rather than a game station

[09:59:08]

AndyCap:

very quiet it isn't, maybe the new one

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jya:

now that exemption is gone

[09:59:29]

jya:

my PS3 is very quiet, except when loading the disk, after that I can't hear it

[09:59:36]

jya:

it does get warm

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AndyCap:

I wouldn't think sony bothered with that for just UK.

[10:00:23]

jya:

that's an explanation I was told at a sony developer conference

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jya:

now if that was true or not ... i can't tell

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AndyCap:

was looking at the sony pressconference videos yesterday and europe's numbers werent that big.

[10:02:45]

AndyCap:

jya: you supposedly get bbc iplayer in the next release.

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jya:

but that decision would have made way before the PS3 went on for sales

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jya:

and the PS3 never sold as much as they expected

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AndyCap:

now this one would have been interesting. :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PS3_e3_2005 . . . e_AV_out.jpg

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Dibblah:

You still get those.

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Dibblah:

There are PS3s with 3 ports – 2 end-user accessible, one debug.

[10:49:21]

Dibblah:

Admittedly, you don't get them without signing a rather limiting EULA and paying shedloads of cash.

[10:50:45]

Dibblah:

http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-debug-test- . . . -106813.html

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_ben:

seems interesting – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup

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_ben:

anyone using this?

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waxhead_:

hmm.. mkv playback isn't so good...

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waxhead_:

lots of blocky artifacts...

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Dibblah:

mkv is just a container. What do you actually mean?

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middy:

@_ben: Yep! works well, system wakes up for scheduled recordings or for a time you can set manually, shuts down if there isn't any jobs running, etc, etc.

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clever:

middy: id love to do that, but i use the nfs server for alot more then myth

[11:01:49]

clever:

maybe i could rearrange the drives and tuners laer

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middy:

Yeah, true, not much point having it shut down when you still need it :D. It is possible to set predefined wakeup/shutdown times- i.e. if you're not using overnight, you could set it to wakeup in the mornings and shutdown at night

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clever:

thats odd, openoffice isnt installed

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GuySoft:

hi all, is there a shell command that will tell me if mythtv is recording?

[11:10:57]

clever:

GuySoft: mythshutdown --help

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waxhead_:

Dibblah: likely h264

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waxhead_:

GuySoft: mythtv-status I think

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GuySoft:

clever, i seem to get a strange bug, that randomly wont let the tv card lock. restarting mythmachend seems to solve it

[11:12:38]

clever:

waxhead_: never heard of that one, but apt claims its a package i can install:S

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clever:

GuySoft: DVB?

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GuySoft:

clever, yes

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clever:

never used those cards

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB and google is all i can think of

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waxhead_:

clever: it's useful...

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clever:

looks like it may actualyl install without borking mythtv

[11:14:26]

waxhead_:

clever: came pre-isntalled with mythbuntu

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clever:

plain ubuntu with trunk compiled from source

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clever:

looking at the manual, the 3rd option does what i already do with a php script i made months ago

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clever:

the 5th is an existing option on mythbackend

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clever:

only special stuff i see is email and the fact i didnt have to write it myself

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clever:

its just pulling data from many sources and putting it into a usefull group:)

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Dibblah:

GuySoft: Which kernel version?

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clever:

2009-08–30 09:06:24.190 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire.

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clever:

mythbackend has lost all sanity...

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clever:

i have atleast 2gig of stuff in the deleted recgroup(autoexpireable), and another 29 gig of normal autoexpire

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clever:

its set to keep 5gig free, yet i have 900mb, 133mb, and 1gig

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clever:

restarting the backend has solved it, this time

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sphery:

If only computers were deterministic... It just has to be that element of randomness that so afflicts computers and software.

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clever:

na, i think its that it checks every 5–10 minutes

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clever:

and doesnt get a clue(software bug) when i add more stuff to expire

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sphery:

(which is a sarcastic way of saying, "If you think it doesn't work right, run with -v important,general,file , and then figure out why it's saying there's nothing to autoexpire and fix the problem."

[12:21:12]

clever:

and doesnt check again, early

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sphery:

are you using something like automount?

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clever:

nope, never liked that useless stuff

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clever:

mythbackend -v most,nojobqueue,nocommflag,schedule,database,noplayback,trace,nosocket,nonetwork -l media.be.log -p media.be.pid

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clever:

is what i currently use

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sphery:

then dig into your logs

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sphery:

or just run it with the settings I said so you don't have to wade through gigabytes of unrelated messages)

[12:22:49]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 661M 2009-08–30 09:22 media.be.log

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clever:

<1gig :P

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sphery:

still about 600M more than I'd be willing to read through

[12:24:37]

clever:

2009-08–30 09:20:56.862 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire.

[12:24:39]

clever:

2009-08–30 09:22:57.134 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire.

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clever:

i dont have to go thru even 1 page i think, i can see it checking twice on half a screenfull

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clever:

sphery: http://privatepaste.com/6a1ZwfB4DO

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sphery:

clever: there's not a single "Unable to autoexpire <filename>" message in there that tells why it can't expire the files you claim are expirable.

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clever:

2009-08–12 16:06:55.527 SG(Default) Error: FindRecordingFile: Unable to find '1045_20090212220000.nuv'!

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clever:

now that i have something to grep for, i can instantly search and find a ton of it

[12:32:02]

clever:

these would be the remains of when mythconverg got toasted and i restored a month old backup

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clever:

so all of my deleted recordings came back, and all the new ones are missing

[12:32:42]

clever:

but sometimes, it also screws with files that do seem to exist, or i'm just not waiting long enough

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Dibblah:

So, run the find orphans script.

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clever:

Dibblah: and lately, thats been broken for storage groups

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clever:

any file not on the local storage group(even if it can be accessed localy thru nfs) is deemed an orphan and screwed up

[12:35:02]

clever:

also, mythfrontend goes nuts on those recordings

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clever:

i cant get at the usualy stuff, like editing the recording rule for it, so its imposible to schedule it to rerecord

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sphery:

if only there were a way to get database backups more than once per month so you'd never have to restore a month-old backup and have--at most--a single day's deletes/new recordings to deal with removing/adding...

[12:36:30]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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clever:

i know of that script and everything

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clever:

i just didnt expect XFS to go nuts on LVM and ignore the moved extents

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sphery:

Yeah, just saying I think we've been through this "you need to backup your DB more often" thing before :)

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clever:

the only backup i had was from a schema upgrade

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Dibblah:

"ignore the moved extents"...

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Dibblah:

Oh dear.

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clever:

Dibblah: every other file system ive used, will obey lvm and follow the moved blocks

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sphery:

and, btw, the format of the messages that tell you why it can't autoexpire files is not limited to "Unable to find"... there are many other wordings.

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clever:

because every request is proxy'd thru lvm and handled properly

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Dibblah:

Leave LVM behind and go properly SG, then.

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Dibblah:

Unless, of course, you enjoy causing yourself pain.

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clever:

ok, explain how to convert a 1tb drive from LVM to normal partitions

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clever:

without using a 2nd 1tb drive, and without loosing the data

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Dibblah:

Got a DVD writer? :)

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clever:

more like a coaster machine

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clever:

a while ago (either ubuntu upgrade or hardware failure) it broke, and i replaced it with a 4th hdd

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clever:

now theres no room for a burner in the main box

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Dibblah:

Of course, the better option is to realise "it's just TV" or "it's just porn" (for the rest of your files), wipe it and start again ;)

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laga:

hehe

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clever:

i'm not paying for the porn channels, so i cant record those:P

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clever:

and www.redtube.com works fine, so why dl the shit:P

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clever:

and all the other 'unmentionable' files, are mostly taken off the tracker now and cant be replaced

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clever:

some of them are still in limbo on the 'fried' ext3 partition

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Dibblah:

Backup stuff you care about (which you should be doing anyway) then start from scratch.

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raptorjr:

hi i have a question about 0.22, dont know if it is by design or a bug. When using browse mode in LiveTV the browsing always start in the first channel and not on the channel you are watching.

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Dibblah:

There is no 0.22.

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Dibblah:

Which trunk revision?

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clever:

Dibblah: i'd basicaly need a raid mirror then

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raptorjr:

sorry, i mean trunk

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Dibblah:

RAID is not backup.

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** juski is broken. Morning **

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raptorjr:

latest trunk, one hour ago

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clever:

and my sata card only has 1 internal port, so id need either a port splitter, or a cable hanging out the back

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raptorjr:

truck 21592

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raptorjr:

trunk

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clever:

Dibblah: though i could go for some fun if i redesign my box, in theory i can get 8 drives now

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clever:

6 pata and 2 sata

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Dibblah:

Behaviour different from what?

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Dibblah:

ie what version was it doing what you expect?

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raptorjr:

i was running 0.21 fixes before, and i'm pretty sure the browsing started on the channel you were tuned to, and not the first channel in the epg list

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sphery:

raptorjr: always or only when switching inputs? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6208 ?

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sphery:

raptorjr: it's caused by http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19071

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raptorjr:

hmm, havent tried to switch input,

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raptorjr:

it is wheni start live tv, and the channel is available in that input since i'm watching it, or am i misunderstanding the change?

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mzb:

clever, if you can squeeze in a "normal" partition and format it with xfs, you might be able to copy+grow+reduce ... +rinse+repeat

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sphery:

I'm guessing if it's not that issue (and sounds like it's not), it's due to a problem in your input connections config

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 is my standard fix

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clever:

mzb: ive done that when converting fat->lvm+ext

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clever:

mzb: it was horid, because as i shrunk the fat, the lvm grew, backwards

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mzb:

heh

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clever:

so i had 600mb chunks, in the order of 5 4 3 2 1

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mzb:

sounds like a new drive might be an option ;)

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clever:

if i had a 2nd 1tb drive, i wouldnt have to do any of this stuff:P

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clever:

i could simply use it

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clever:

and leave the existing lvm mess alone

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mzb:

it's reasons like this that I added a 1TB drive to my 3x500 ... and then why I added 2x 1TB drives to the single

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mzb:

(and why I now run r5)

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mzb:

ie: pick on a size and grow it ;)

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clever:

one of my file servers is redhat 9

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clever:

with a 2.4 kernel

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mzb:

that's a shame

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clever:

i ran out of pata ports and shoved it in the old box:P

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Dibblah:

Most of what clever has is a shame.

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clever:

most of what i run has a 2.6 kernel

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mzb:

I just mean the age+choice of distro ... not the hardware ;P

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mzb:

I like a man who can appreciate a vt330 ;)

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CoreDump|home:

never change a running system

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clever:

mzb: that was the first real server i put tother

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clever:

mzb: and i still havent really finished porting everything out of it

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clever:

and now its a 80gig file server, so i cant turn it off for good until i move the drive elsewhere

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laga:

an 80 gig file server?

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CoreDump|home:

=)

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clever:

laga: i was desperate for space and took the 'retired' 80gig drive, and shoved it in the first open PATA port

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Dibblah:

We used to use (at uni) real VT100s.

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Dibblah:

In a "forgotten room".

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Dibblah:

So they occasionally broke and we fixed them.

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mzb:

I started with a home-made VT52 ;) (screen of safety glass + green celophane;))

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mzb:

but that's another story

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brad2:

morn

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raptorjr:

i found the problem with browsing mode, which i do belive is a bug, if i'm on a channel that exist in two channel lineups it always start browsing on the first channel and not the channel i'm tuned to. but if i'm on a channel that is only on one channel lineup everything works as expected. Maybe there is some problem with the FindChannel function?

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neoteny:

i have a usb2 wintv pvr tuner which has been working pretty well but i just added an hauppauge wintv pvr-150. so far so good except the system locks up tight when deleting under under manage recordings. any ideas what i might have dorked up?

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neoteny:

seems maybe the pci latency settings were my issue. at least it's working longer than it was after changing them.

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raptorjr:

so, i'm thinking about writing a ticket for my channel browse problem. but before i do that is anyone with some knowledge of mythtv available for some questions? dont want to submit a ticket if it is i that have done something wrong

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neoteny:

raptorjr, sometimes that's the fastest way to get an answer. folks love to show how dumb you are when making unnecessary tickets :)

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raptorjr:

hehe

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raptorjr:

yes, was thinking that the developers, that i guess is in this channel also, would rather avoid a ticket if it is not necessary

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neoteny:

raptorjr, reminds me of a tv show where the owner of a shop makes type-os on the sign outside on purpose because tons of people come inside to complain of the type-o

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raptorjr:

people just love to be smarter than someone else

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neoteny:

raptorjr, yeah. in recent years i've been trying to tame that urge in me. i actually leave some meetings letting the guy who talks louder not think he was right.

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neoteny:

s/not//

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raptorjr:

i'll wait a little bit more, then i submit the ticket and take the heat

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neoteny:

i'd test it but i don't have multiple lineups

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brad2:

does anyone use Xine for their mythvideos in the latest svn?

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brad2:

it doesn't seem to work for me anymore

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iamlindoro:

if you're trying to use Storage Groups, external players do not work

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Dibblah:

No, everyone uses Internal.

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Dibblah:

Only the geeky, not-cool kids use an external player.

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Dibblah:

;)

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brad2:

ahh got it

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brad2:

thanks

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brad2:

the one odd thing for the internal player for me is that the audio/video is out of sync for some dvds that I have ripped to mp4

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brad2:

yet on xine sync is perfect

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clever:

Dibblah: using fuse, you could make SG's work with external players again

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brad2:

i'm sure it's something i'm doing.. but a kick in the butt in the right direction would be appreciated!

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Dibblah:

Using a hammer, I could stop you talking.

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Dibblah:

Many apologies – But you make my brain hurt.,

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laga:

well, using the python bindings for mythtv and python-fuse, it should be possible

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laga:

no, not going to do it ;)

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king_dan25:

hey everyone!! anyone able to help me with a lirc problem currently running trunk?

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king_dan25:

anyone??

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mindoms:

i cant run mythfrontend (21-fixes) on my laptop and the RADEON drivers. i only see a black rectangleand get this as output: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1548361 ... any ideas ? or should i wait for 0.22 with qt4 ?

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mindoms:

ubuntu 9.04, mythtv and video drivers from the ubuntu repos.

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josh:

So, where do I start looking for VDPAU support? I"m assuming the new 0.22 build will have native VDPAU support, and I'm looking at buying a video card, and want to make sure it has VDPAU compatibility

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Shadow__X:

josh yes .22 with have vdpau support

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josh:

So I'm looking at the BFG GTX 275 OC for my windows partition, is that a good card for VDPAU?

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gizmobay:

I'm running trunk from mythbuntu weekly builds. Last night I did a ps -A | grep myth and I had 5 entries for mythbackend. Anyone know what causes this?

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abqjp:

gizmobay, doing a "ps auxw" will give you a lot more information, and probably answer your question.

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gizmobay:

thanks abqjp, I'll take a look at that when it happens again. I was doing some searching and it looks like it's related to previews

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gizmobay:

I'm having a problem with some scheduled recordings giving me issues when I go to view them through the watch recording screen. I'll get a black screen and a video frame buffering failed too many times.

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: Is fanart supposed to trump coverart for icons in gallery view?

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya, erm, waht?

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twobitsprite:

how well does myth work with xbox 360? The wiki seems a bit torn on the issue

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: In gallery view in MV my movie files are displaying the fanart instead of the coverfile. videos that do not have fanart display the coverart

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya, are you sure it's not the *screenshots* displaying?

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Chaorain:

Can I edit the bane of a recorded show?

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iamlindoro:

screenshots beat coverart when the parent folder is the same name as the title

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yfaykya:

Folder name is Films so none of the titles should be the same. Might be that jamu did a bad update. Lemme look a bit

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iamlindoro:

More likely you're using a not-current version of trunk

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yfaykya:

I update twice daily :-)

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iamlindoro:

My gallery stuff is all fine, so appears to be a misconfiguration

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laga:

not current enough!!11 ;)

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yfaykya:

Iamlindoro : I have a db entry with coverfile = "XXXXX.jpg" – This file does not exists in CoverArt SG but does in Fanart SG. Should it be showing it?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

because SG fallback is not designed for this pupose

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yfaykya:

Ok- Whats the logic?

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iamlindoro:

meaning?

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iamlindoro:

if the file doesn't exist in the specified SG, it goes hunting for it in other ones

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yfaykya:

Sorry – meant what order

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iamlindoro:

which doesn't work for our purposes-- but your metadata is bad, ie you have a metadata record that says you have that file in that SG, but you don't

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yfaykya:

yup.

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iamlindoro:

so you need to fix your metadata

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yfaykya:

agreed. I am curious of the "find" order for the images though

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you

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yfaykya:

:-)

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neoteny:

i added a new tuner and it wasn't working quite right so i removed it. now watching tv just returns to the menu and when i try to watch recording it says there are no recordings but there are. i can see them.

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jasonbassett:

Hello folks

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jasonbassett:

I am having a problem with channel icons showing, or not as the case is

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jasonbassett:

They display when I run x/mythtv as root but do not display when run as a normal user

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jasonbassett:

I have checked permissions and even 777'd them to check that is not the issue.

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CoreDump|home:

jasonbassett: su into your mythtv user and try to open them

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linxeh:

is talk about furniture / cabinets / stands off topic ? :)

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josh:

Anyone know if the driver VDPAU support for the GTX 275 is available?

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laga:

not worse than usual

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laga:

josh: see the nvidia README

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Chaorain:

.Can I rename a recorded tv show?

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wagnerrp:

josh: if there are nvidia binary drivers for it, there is support for it

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wagnerrp:

Chaorain: there is no easy way to edit the metadata of a recorded TV show

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Chaorain:

wagnerrp, so no GUI method?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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iamlindoro:

Highlight the show, Menu->Recording Options->Change Recording Title

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wagnerrp:

is that new? or just one of the many things in myth i still havent discovered?

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iamlindoro:

Think it's been around for a bit

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jst_home:

abqjp: ?

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i_is_cat:

i seem to be having a weird issue with my pvr150, when i change channels on the frontend using the pvr150 tuner, 8/10 times it emits a high pitched squeal noise which pressing ch+ then ch- really fast usually seems to make go away

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i_is_cat:

it only did it every once in a while at first but now its nearly every time i change the channel

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i_is_cat:

so far it hasnt done that with any recordings which is good, but its extremely annoying.. is there any way i can figure out what would be causing it? :/

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abqjp:

jst_home, pong

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jst_home:

abqjp: hey there... sorry, my memory is failing me here, but I think we were chatting about DirecTV STBs and channel changing etc last weekend

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abqjp:

true

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jst_home:

abqjp: if not, please just ignore me :)

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jst_home:

ah, ok

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jst_home:

abqjp: I just wanted to say that I got that USB-Serial adapter that you mentioned, and I got channel changes to work here!

[18:20:00]

abqjp:

Excellent. Glad to know those adapters still work.

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jst_home:

abqjp: indeed. I need to order myself a few more, just to have

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abqjp:

Good idea.

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jst_home:

abqjp: I would've gotten more than one but the ebay store I happened to buy from made that very complicated, and with free shipping I left it at one

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abqjp:

Seems reasonable.

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jst_home:

abqjp: but anyways, thank you again for your help!

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abqjp:

np. Glad it worked.

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jst_home:

me too! :)

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yfaykya:

Is there a proper way not to compile backend stuff when I am recompiling on my frontends?

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abqjp:

yfaykya, no. The frontend and backend share a LOT, so there is little savings with only compiling one or the other.

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yfaykya:

thought I heard that before alright. Thanks

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i_is_cat:

:S

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Chaorain:

+iamlindoro, Hey thanks. it worked.

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guysoft42:

hey, i am writing something about DVB-T is mpeg4 better than mpeg2 in any way? because all i see is that it takes more cpu power

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wagnerrp:

it is far more compressible

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wagnerrp:

mpeg4avc is intended for roughly double the compression as mpeg2, with no loss in quality

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guysoft42:

wagnerrp, but it takes more cpu..

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guysoft42:

wagnerrp, why compress more in dvb broadcast, if it will only take more cpu on each side

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iamlindoro:

because broadcasts aren't meant for your CPU

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iamlindoro:

they're meant for a STB with decoding hardware

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Er1K:

GuySoft: It takes far more CPU power both to encode and decode, but a fourfold difference in compression vs mpeg2 (imho, ymmv) is not uncommon.

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iamlindoro:

your broadcaster doesn't care a bit about your CPU

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Er1K:

Transmitting/Storing 1/4th (or whatever, just an example) the data is important. $30 (or whatever, just an example) more cpu power is meaningless

[18:38:49]

guysoft42:

iamlindoro, well, if it was mpeg2, we could use in in cellphones, then the broadcaster does care. it does translate to portability

[18:38:58]

Er1K:

Once we aren't talking about just moving data across an ethernet cord, storage and bandwidth are $$$$$

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iamlindoro:

guysoft42, uhhhh, not, there's plenty of cell phone hardware to decode h.264

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iamlindoro:

er no

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guysoft42:

Er1K, and does mpeg4 mean less bardcasting power?

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iamlindoro:

and your DVB broadcaster isn't broadcasting to cell phones, either

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iamlindoro:

ie, that's not their target market, they don't care

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guysoft42:

iamlindoro, but using mythtv you need like 3Ghz CPUs, its all hardware that is built for it

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iamlindoro:

guysoft42, And as I previously mentioned, your broadcaster doesn't care whether your myth box works

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Er1K:

iamlindoro: or you could do as I do....a little VLC-VLM in the middle and my MPEG2TS DVB signals play rather nicely on my blackberry :)

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guysoft42:

iamlindoro, i can understand, but can we focus for a sec on the technology , and not the economy

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iamlindoro:

they only care about whether STBs work

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iamlindoro:

h.264 is superior in a given bitrate to MPEG-2 in picture quality. People like better picture quality. People generally use STBs which have no problem w/ the material. The end

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Er1K:

in the case of stbs, they are using hw accelerated mepg4 decoder asics just like they (and every consumer dvd player does) did with mpeg2

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[Peter]:

guysoft42: DVB bandwidth is limited, mpeg4 uses less bandwidth, therefor mpeg4 > mpeg2 for DVB use. EoD? :)

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guysoft42:

[Peter], ok, thats what i wanted to hear

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guysoft42:

[Peter], because this is the technological benefit

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Er1K:

mpeg4 is far more tunable/tweakable as well. People that know what they are doing can really squeeze a nice looking picture into 256kbit, 256kbit with mpeg2 either looks like crap or is the size of a postage stamp.

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[Peter]:

everybody was already saying that though :)

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Er1K:

guysoft42: Thanks to Moore's law, hw perfectly capable of softdecoding highres mpeg4 will be throwaway items in the near future...for some people, they already are

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Er1K:

guysoft42: If you want a good side-by-size example of mpeg1/2/4 at different bitrates in the real world, spend some time on the prelinger collection at archive.org

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abqjp:

jst_home, what model of Directv STB are you controlling?

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jasonbassett:

coredump:home – I am able to open the graphics as the mythtv user

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jst_home:

abqjp: it's an H21, I've got an H20 heading this way in the mail too

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abqjp:

jst_home, okay. I was just updating the Directv wiki page, and was specifying exactly which models that adapter worked with. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_DirecT . . . SB_or_Serial

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jst_home:

abqjp: ah, perfect

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jst_home:

abqjp: do you know of a good way to turn off the STB once mythtv is done recording? Or do people generally not bother doing that?

[18:51:22]

abqjp:

jst_home, most people don't bother. You could use something like "/usr/local/bin/directv.pl box_type D11 port /dev/ttyUSB0 baudrate 9600 off"

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jst_home:

abqjp: right, but is there a good way in myth to have it do that only if a frontend isn't currently using the input for live tv etc?

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Er1K:

jst_home: As abqjp said, most people don't bother to turn the stb off, and since many are using ir blasters, power is VERY problematic since they can only toggle it

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abqjp:

jst_home, take a look at http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html

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Er1K:

jst_home: It would not be difficult to script it, but I'd verify you are actually going to really save power

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jst_home:

Er1K: fair enough. I've got a serial connection here, and can reliably turn it on/off etc, just wondering if something already exists for this specific use case

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jst_home:

abqjp: fwiw, the version of directv.pl that I have (latest one AFAIK) supports a box_type of H20

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abqjp:

jst_home, oh? Guess I will have to look at that.

[18:55:47]

jst_home:

abqjp: I don't know if it's really any different from D11 though from a functionality point of view, haven't dug in there yet

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kormoc:

jst_home: sphery did a study and a write up and almost some very common STB out there doesn't actually save any power when turned 'off'

[18:56:08]

Er1K:

jst_home: Understood. I would script that as part of your channel change, fire off a child script that watches inuseprograms for several seconds until you get the filename, then do an inotifywait on the file....when the inotifywait returns, check inuseprograms again to make sure there was nothing back to back, and if not....send the off signal

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jst_home:

kormoc: hmm, interesting... I should put my ammeter on mine and see what it does...

[18:57:18]

Er1K:

jst_home: and I think k0rmac is right. They are usually in standby for EIT (guide) data when you tell them to turn 'off'

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kormoc:

I think Er1K just won the absolutely worse kormoc spelling mistake award...

[18:58:07]

Er1K:

my digital cable stb (motorola piece of crapola) just turns the AUDIO off, but continues to output picture. Annoying as heck.

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jst_home:

Er1K: that would make sense, yes. I guess the only thing they could really turn "off" is the mpeg decoding chips and some panel led's etc, but not really the guts

[18:58:57]

Er1K:

ugggh my apologies...this channel has so many people my tab key, she is worthless, I tell you :) Granted, not having my bifocals on isn't helping matters.

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jst_home:

Er1K: wow, that's pretty lame (regarding the motorola box)

[19:00:22]

sphery:

jst_home: though it wasn't really a full study (didn't have access to many STB's), kormoc is right: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/234916#234916

[19:00:26]

Er1K:

jst_home: pretty well describes the entire charter/motorola experience, but my bill is purdy much the same with or without the digicable service

[19:01:02]

sphery:

jst_home: If you have a /normal/ STB, it almost definitely takes exactly the same power whether on or off. The /only/ time turning off an STB will save you money is if you buy the wrong kind--a DVR.

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sphery:

DVR's use more money when on than when off

[19:01:27]

sphery:

tuner-type (non-recording) STB's use the same

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jst_home:

I've got a DirecTV DVR right now, which will probably be replaced with a non DVR receiver down the road once myth is set up here and proven to work reliably

[19:03:34]

sphery:

yeah, so for the DVR, there will probably be a few watts savings (maybe 20–40)

[19:04:04]

sphery:

you could easily make up /much/ more than that buy choosing your Myth components carefully, though :)

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sphery:

and my #1 recommendation is to make sure you get an 80 PLUS certified power supply unit

[19:04:26]

Er1K:

sphery: I've noticed that none of the stbdvr's I've had in the past did any real power management, and a lot of them can't be turned 'off', period...suckitude

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sphery:

Er1K: wow, so you've had some that don't save power with off?

[19:05:11]

jst_home:

sphery: right now my myth backend is a zotac minitx board that runs at ~24W (plus a hard disk atm) :)

[19:05:20]

sphery:

that's good to know... so it seems it's 0 difference for non-DVR's and /might/ be a difference with DVR's

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sphery:

jst_home: that's good choosing! :)

[19:05:44]

sphery:

jst_home: do you run the MySQL DB on a different system?

[19:05:59]

sphery:

just wondering how well the Atom handles it

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Dibblah:

The Zotac boards are nice, if you want to go down that route.

[19:06:08]

jst_home:

sphery: it's a little slow (and by a little I mean a lot) at doing commercial detection in H264 content :)

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jst_home:

sphery: it's all on that same box

[19:06:21]

sphery:

yeah, that would be slow

[19:06:33]

jst_home:

sphery: this particular one is the dual core atom one

[19:06:35]

sphery:

will be interesting to see how mysql pans out over time with atom

[19:06:37]

Dibblah:

However, I have a C2D mobile motherboard (T5200) which also draws 24w at idle.

[19:06:39]

sphery:

that helps a lot

[19:06:50]

Dibblah:

And is ... Somewhat faster than the Atom.

[19:06:55]

sphery:

Dibblah: +1 for real power at low power usage!

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jst_home:

sphery: I've got a single core one too that's intended for a frontend only

[19:07:09]

kormoc:

Dibblah: just somewhat? ;)

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sphery:

kormoc: it's not one of those little whats, it's some other /much/ larger what

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Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ABIT-IL-90MV-Intel-945G . . . 86.m63.l1177

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Er1K:

spherry: My Tivo series II didn't seem to have a concept of 'off', which wouldn't be so bad if it had some power management. Add a second drive (or make the mistake of installing a 7200 rpm drive in it...or two....) and what you have is a space heater

[19:09:11]

Dibblah:

Is essentially the board.

[19:09:45]

Er1K:

the p4 that replaced it uses considerably more power all fired up, but it ummmmm sleeps, spins drives down, etc., so the 24hr power picture may not be all so different

[19:09:49]

sphery:

Er1K: nice... at least with Myth, you can design it right :)

[19:10:13]

sphery:

and if you replace it with a nice Core 2 or Athlon 64 with low TDP...

[19:10:40]

sphery:

though convincing yourself it's worth the up-front cost for future savings may be a challenge

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jst_home:

sphery: but in the end, my backend will migrate to a beefier box, this is just for testing right now (but works really well it seems). The beefier box will serve as a large backend storage box for all my stuff, not just myth

[19:11:00]

sphery:

fortunately, my aging (SATA-lacking) backends are kind of convincing me to do exactly that

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Dibblah:

The actual one I use is i945GMm-HL.

[19:11:54]

Dibblah:

I had at one stage a dual processor Xeon server board running Myth.

[19:12:13]

sphery:

jst_home: that's probably a good thing... As you get north of maybe 50 recording rules (especially with 100+) and especially if you have a large number of channels via cable or whatever, you're likely to find that the scheduler query is too much

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jst_home:

sphery: makes sense, what I have now is very primitive and thus understandably not cpu intensive

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Er1K:

spherry: when I'm using a castoff machine from work that didn't cost me anything to begin with, spending money to replace it is even harder to justify. Once my amd64x2 laptop is "worn out", it will make a FANTASTIC myth box with a couple tb sitting in a firewire or esata cage on the shelf below it

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jst_home:

sphery: the atom is doing about 20fps commflagging right now, and that's 720p H264 content

[19:13:59]

sphery:

yeah, sounds like you have a good plan for it, though... As long as you realize an upgrade may be required in the future, you'll be good :)

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jst_home:

sphery: but that's probably 60fps content, so it's still pretty slow :)

[19:16:39]

sphery:

Er1K: yeah, I'm spending about $12/mo/backend on power, so even if I cut that in half, it will take a while to recoup the $120-$150 for mobo/CPU/RAM

[19:16:45]

Er1K:

spherry: On that note, I found that keeping the scheduler disabled most of the time helps a LOT, as it seems to trigger a LOT of random full "reschedule for -1" reschedules (several per hour), and that only seems to get worse the more rules/channels/guide data you have

[19:17:19]

sphery:

they're not random...

[19:17:30]

sphery:

they're when something changes that could affect the schedule

[19:17:54]

sphery:

in your case (based on description), I'd assume it's the every-5-minutes reschedule after EIT updates

[19:18:55]

sphery:

With non-EIT-based listings, you get one listings-related rescheduler per day (assuming daily SD/XMLTV runs)

[19:19:00]

sphery:

reschedule

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Er1K:

spherry: yes, I know they aren't 'random', and you are right, it's EIT data, but having a setting to "don't reschedule more than once an hour" makes a two minute reschedule no big deal

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guysoft42:

Er1K, yes, i was expecting that. but it will take a few doublings to get there. devices are now at about 400–600mhz

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sphery:

Er1K: yeah, there's a plan to limit it... If you'd like to submit the code, it could even go in rather quickly... :)

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sphery:

Er1K: just need someone to write code that runs it at "reasonable" times... I.e. perhaps always within X minutes of the next recording, but with configurable once per half hour/hour/X hours instead of every 5 mins

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Dibblah:

Also it reschedules on deletions.

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sphery:

right, any recording rule additions/changes/deletions or recording file deletions

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raptorjr:

hello, i found a segmentation fault in mythvideo. how can i get more information to help to find the bug?

[19:22:03]

sphery:

but for listings-related reschedules, it's 1/day for non-EIT or 288 for EIT users

[19:22:28]

wagnerrp:

well bringing a mythbox along for the weekend was a bit of a failure

[19:22:32]

sphery:

raptorjr: make sure you're running the most-current trunk and then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

[19:22:43]

wagnerrp:

spent 2 hours trying to get the nvidia drivers to display on TV

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sphery:

raptorjr: but you need to have debug symbols or the backtrace will be useless

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wagnerrp:

when i finally discovered that 'ConnectedMontior' was not a valid option

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raptorjr:

will se what i can do, not very good at these things, otherwise i will wait until someone else find the same problem

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bluespuke:

hi, i have a question: ca mythtv open files on my local harddrive?

[19:23:52]

bluespuke:

like avis and mpegs i've in my movies folder

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wagnerrp:

only to find immediately afterwards that the motherboard was disabling onboard sound for unknown reasons

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wagnerrp:

bluespuke: MythVideo

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wagnerrp:

its a plugin

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bluespuke:

cool ty

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wagnerrp:

sphery: best buy is going a buy-one-get-50%-off promo for 360 games

[19:26:06]

wagnerrp:

or is yours still in for repair?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no way... I just pre-ordered Fallout 3 Game of the Year edition, last night

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sphery:

mine is back, now

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sphery:

didn't take too long--it was actually more efficient than my first time (they've had a /lot/ of practice since then, it seems)...

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sphery:

seems BB doesn't have Fallout 3 GOTY (only Fallout 3, so I'd have to buy the 5 DLC's if I got that one...)

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wagnerrp:

the GOTY edition actually has additional content?

[19:29:56]

wagnerrp:

usually it just comes with the first couple batches of patches

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sphery:

yeah, will have all 5 DLC's

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3#Retail_versions

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wagnerrp:

well if nothing else, i know how big of a computer i can put in the camper (the other case i was using is about 2" too deep), and i know what i need to do to migrate content from one myth installation to another

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sphery:

Since I don't want to be disappointed for having spent $57.50 on FO3 GOTY, I'll just assume that the 5 DLC's cost > $30

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wagnerrp:

ill have to put together something to script all that up, and make some plugin menu (or more likely a webpage) to select content to sync

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know how to manage file space usage

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wagnerrp:

recordings will report their size, videos i have to initiate a file transfer to get the file size (if i dont have local file access)

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wagnerrp:

music... im rather SOL

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MythBork:

For some reason, my watch recordings menu has gotten super slow. It takes 5–10 seconds to arrow up or down between recordings. Also, the video preview in the bottom right usually does not appear. Choosing a recording causes a 5–10 second blank screen delay, but then the recording plays fine. Can anyone help?

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sphery:

MythBork: 0.21-fixes or trunk?

[19:34:23]

sphery:

nvm.. if it eventually plays the video it's -fixes

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sphery:

MythBork: the problem is your system is regenerating all the preview images

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wagnerrp:

MythBork: any problems with -fixes is likely to be completely ignored, unless it can be replicated with trunk

[19:35:12]

sphery:

MythBork: my recommendation is to go to the Recorded Programs page in MythWeb (which will trigger preview gen for all recordings) and then it should no longer be slow

[19:35:13]

MythBork:

well, what command would I use to have myth tell me what version it is in a debian distro?

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wagnerrp:

'mythbackend --version'

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MythBork:

ok, one sec

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wagnerrp:

if you are using someone elses pre-packaged myth, you are almost certainly using -fixes

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sphery:

MythBork: unless, of course, your backend system doesn't have proper permissions to update the filesystem

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MythBork:

yeah, mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

sphery: in that case, how would it manage to record?

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sphery:

yeah, it's -fixes

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MythBork:

hmmm, how would I switch to trunk?

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wagnerrp:

MythBork: hold off on that for a few weeks

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sphery:

wagnerrp: It wouldn't--he hasn't told me that since <whatever> changed any recordings have succeeded

[19:36:31]

MythBork:

new version due out shortly?

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sphery:

so I'm just being thorough

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wagnerrp:

should be out (and available from your package manager) by the end of September

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MythBork:

nice

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sphery:

end of Oct

[19:37:05]

sphery:

beginning of Oct would be nice, but plan for end of Oct

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MythBork:

I haven't had any problems with failed recordings, and I'm using firewire to 2 motorola 6200 series boxes

[19:37:25]

MythBork:

it's annoying, but not a big deal

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sphery:

yeah, just hit the Recorded Programs page in MythWeb

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MythBork:

where could I read up on the new release features?

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wagnerrp:

ah, well the final feature freeze is the end of next week anyway, so it is imminent

[19:38:01]

sphery:

oh, and--for good measure--repair your DB before hand

[19:38:05]

wagnerrp:

theres a partial page listing upgrades on the wiki

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sphery:

i.e. run optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

or click the Repair Database button in MythWeb's setup are

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sphery:

area

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MythBork:

I have optimize_mythdb.pl in a nightly cron :)

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sphery:

Yeah, still run it once just in case

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MythBork:

ok

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sphery:

then hit Recorded Programs in MythWeb

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MythBork:

thx

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sphery:

and all should work

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22

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MythBork:

thanks wagnerrp

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sphery:

i.e. rather than wait the 10's of minutes it could potentially take to generate all the previews and finish displaying the Recorded Programs web page in MythWeb and then find out that you should have done a 30s optimize_mythdb.pl run before and having to re-do the 10's of minute wait...

[19:39:58]

sphery:

Oh, and BTW, it could take quite a while for that page to display

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MythBork:

ok

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sphery:

you'll have to wait until it's done before things will be back to normal

[19:40:40]

sphery:

Oh, and if you've set yours to only display some number of recordings, you'll need to hit all pages

[19:40:55]

sphery:

i.e. need to display info for every recording to make sure it generates all the previews

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wagnerrp:

sphery: wasnt the internal refactoring of ProgramInfo supposed to allow mythvideo to use that structure or something?

[19:41:49]

wagnerrp:

or at least with the eventual intent

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Er1K:

MythBork: I've run into that, and it's always been permissions issues, which iirc, the log will usually just be littered with "recording file is not local blah blah", and mythweb will take a MUCH nastier performance hit

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which structure?

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MythBork:

Er1K, you are right – I have "Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1007_20090829184300.mpg'" all over my log

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MythBork:

Er1K, what did you set the permissions to in order to fix it?

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wagnerrp:

looks like #6862

[19:45:56]

wagnerrp:

looks like thats no making it in until 0.23

[19:46:03]

wagnerrp:

ill have to make due without it

[19:47:33]

wagnerrp:

HAHAHA.... #6942 is choice....

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sphery:

#6942 is the one where the guy posted the filename of his stolen show?

[19:48:33]

wagnerrp:

uh huh...

[19:48:39]

sphery:

#6943 is just plain wrong

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sphery:

he re-opened it as a new ticket after iamlindoro closed the first

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it... the patch is empty

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sphery:

no, it's not a proper patch, so Trac can't display it

[19:49:24]

sphery:

it's a diff, not a diff -u

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sphery:

(not unified)

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wagnerrp:

ah

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laga:

ha. i just tried 720p on my LCD TV from 2004. it overscans like hell. 1280x768 is okay, though, so i will just have to live with the 16:10 ratio

[19:49:50]

sphery:

he didn't even know what he was doing when he made the change

[19:49:58]

sphery:

it just happened to work for him

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Er1K:

MythBork: I made my recordings directories (I have a..bunch...) be owned by the mythtv group and be g+w+X....once I convinced samba to behave similarly, the problem went away.

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sphery:

laga: nothing to disable overscan for tv modes?

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raptorjr:

hmm, to find the segmentation fault in mythvideo, do i need to have debug info in mythfrontend also?

[19:51:01]

laga:

sphery: nope.

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Er1K:

MythBork: I don't remember if the mythbackend process running from the sysV rc script runs as root or mythtv by default, but if it's running as root and the filesystem is on the other end of nfs, check out the squash_root flags

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laga:

sphery: there is almost nothing in the OSD

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sphery:

laga: and the TV is actually 16:10 aspect?

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laga:

sphery: no, it's 16:9 AFAICT

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sphery:

if not, you still get 16:9 aspect, but you now have non-square pixels

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laga:

oh. is that bad?

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sphery:

no, not with 0.21-fixes and above

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laga:

yay

[19:51:51]

sphery:

so it's the same

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sphery:

assuming you properly configure X to say that the physical aspect ratio is 16:9

[19:52:21]

sphery:

otherwise, it will assume 16:10 and then it will be wrong

[19:52:27]

sphery:

but it might be wrong in a good way

[19:52:40]

sphery:

because it may just overscan the black borders

[19:53:14]

sphery:

and then you just stretch things a little bit horizontally and it's "close enough" to 16:9 and you don't lose much in the way of picture

[19:53:23]

sphery:

anyway... I'll be quiet now

[19:53:49]

laga:

hah. i do multihead with my laptop. dimensions: 1920x768 pixels ;)

[19:54:09]

laga:

so i'm not sure what X thinks

[19:54:30]

sphery:

multihead xinerama?

[19:54:34]

laga:

i will turn off LVDS later

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laga:

sphery: no, xrandr

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sphery:

(or xinerama-related?)

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laga:

on intel

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sphery:

no idea how that works

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i_is_cat:

:S

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Er1K:

laga: Play with resolutions, I had the same EXACT issue with my similarly aged LCD. 1280x720 overscanned like heck, and was just plain nasty. 1360x765 looks beautiful. Perfect.

[19:55:12]

sphery:

if xinerama-related, there are settings in Appearance that allow you to specify the aspect

[19:55:36]

laga:

well, the frontend does not stretch over all screens, so it does have some knowledge about multihead with xrandr

[19:56:04]

laga:

Er1K: will try. but not tonight. have had enough work today :)

[19:56:07]

sphery:

yeah, I just don't know how it gets aspect for that

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Er1K:

laga: "Modeline "1360x765" 84.39 1360 1424 1568 1776 765 766 769 792 -hsync +vsync" in my xorg.conf, and "xrandr -s 1360x765" in my script that starts mythfrontend

[19:56:24]

kormoc:

likely cause the video card has xinerama extensions in the driver

[19:56:37]

laga:

Er1K: does yours happen to be a hyundai?

[19:56:37]

i_is_cat:

has anyone ever experienced squealing audio when changing channels?

[19:56:41]

i_is_cat:

:s

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kormoc:

i_is_cat: enable extra audio buffering?

[19:57:08]

sphery:

kormoc: I /really/ hope that travis lets you or xris help with tmdb.... it /really/ needs it

[19:57:16]

sphery:

Application Error (Rails)

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

I've offered before without any answer

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laga:

Er1K: with an IOD panels? :)

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** kormoc shrugs **

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i_is_cat:

hmm i'll give it a shot kormoc

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Er1K:

laga: It's a "Vizco", I don't know who the original manufacturer was, but Hyundai is a definite possible

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sphery:

even just the little things

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sphery:

I wonder if it would help if someone he "knows" recommends you guys--i.e. if gbee mentioned to him that you guys know your stuff

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sphery:

kormoc: so, did you check on your battery-vaporizing-screwdriver thread? http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums?a=t . . . #76719425201

[20:00:35]

kormoc:

no I haven't actually, totally forgot bout it

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sphery:

someone needs to redirect it to a MythBusters-style experiment... "OK, so just /how much/ power does a car battery have and what kind of destruction can you do with it?"

[20:01:25]

sphery:

though I don't think watcher56 is right

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i_is_cat:

extra audio buffering is already enabled.. :S

[20:01:30]

sphery:

I don't think there's enough power

[20:01:47]

sphery:

i_is_cat: squealing?

[20:02:00]

sphery:

i_is_cat: digital audio with AC-3/DTS passthrough?

[20:02:13]

sphery:

if so, it's almost definitely your receiver not liking the transition

[20:02:21]

sphery:

i.e. not much Myth can do

[20:02:23]

i_is_cat:

ya when i use my pvr150 card on my frontend in my living room i change the channel and 8 times out of 10 the audio is a high pitched squealing noise

[20:02:39]

i_is_cat:

but if i ch+ and ch- really fast, it *usually* fixes it.. not always though

[20:02:41]

sphery:

if PVR-150, it's not passthrough

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laga:

sphery: my science teacher claimed said the screw driver would melt (a few years ago)

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i_is_cat:

no issues with my saa7134 card

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sphery:

laga: yeah, melt I believe, vaporize I don't

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clever:

what about boil?

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sphery:

(even if you confined it somehow and drained all the battery's power into the driver at max discharge rate)

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i_is_cat:

nah i just use the pvr150 with straight coax cable and the passthrough stuff on my frontend looks all default

[20:04:11]

i_is_cat:

no stb or anything weird

[20:04:17]

i_is_cat:

no digital sound

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clever:

sphery: my dad has worked on 120v DC systems before

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sphery:

though I have absolutely no evidence--empirical or theoretical

[20:04:29]

i_is_cat:

probably one of the most basic systems you can build i guess..

[20:04:34]

clever:

sphery: and ive got enough of those used batterys to recreate one

[20:05:13]

sphery:

i_is_cat: are you using 48kHz audio sampling in your recording profiles (all of them)?

[20:05:29]

sphery:

clever: yeah, other batteries might be able to do more

[20:05:42]

sphery:

but the hardest part is maintaining the circuit

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i_is_cat:

well the first one i checked out says its 32

[20:05:56]

clever:

sphery: yeah, once it melts, it tends to fall appart

[20:06:16]

clever:

sphery: you would need a ceramic troph between the terminals

[20:06:25]

clever:

something to contain the liquid metal

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** sphery is glad knowledgejunkie is handling the "grabbing epgdata and related questions" thread **

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sphery:

clever: it could be a prototype for a Terminator-killing weapon...

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sphery:

MythTV DB upgrade from schema 1160 to 1214 stuck at0m schema 1181?

[20:08:36]

clever:

sphery: that reminds me, there was a recent news article about a robot to help pick patients out of the bed and into a wheel chair

[20:08:41]

sphery:

wow... someone is just now upgrading to 0.21-fixes

[20:08:48]

clever:

sphery: the commands on the article are loaded with terminator and skynet junk

[20:08:55]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

last of the 0.17 users?

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sphery:

(assuming you mean comments :)

[20:09:14]

clever:

sphery: stick a machine gun on the thing and its perfect for skyn

[20:09:15]

clever:

et

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sphery:

kormoc: I know there's still at least one 0.18.1 user... He said f-myth-0.21-fixes

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i_is_cat:

so the software encoder ones were set at 32 and the hardware/pvr ones set at 48

[20:09:45]

laga:

Er1K: thanks, the modeline is not too bad.

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i_is_cat:

i changed them all to 48 and set the bitrate down from 384kbps or whatever it was at and changed it to 192.. so far flicking back and forth between a bunch of dif channels has not squealed yet....

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sphery:

i_is_cat: cool

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i_is_cat:

ya sphery i think that solved my problem thanks very much! :)

[20:11:15]

i_is_cat:

oh

[20:11:17]

i_is_cat:

wait

[20:11:21]

i_is_cat:

i just got it

[20:11:32]

i_is_cat:

after about 15 or so channel changes it came back

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sphery:

sounds like your tuners don't handle fast changes well

[20:12:00]

sphery:

or myth doesn't

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i_is_cat:

did two more channel changes and it did it again

[20:12:04]

sphery:

but it's not designed to

[20:12:29]

sphery:

are you giving plenty of time for the video to begin playback before changing to the next channel?

[20:12:33]

sphery:

if not, that's likely the cause

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i_is_cat:

ya i let it play for a few seconds then change the chan

[20:12:50]

sphery:

Oh, and it's possible your frame grabbers may not support 48kHz, so make sure you test them

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sphery:

yeah, if you're giving it plenty of time, I don't have any other guesses for what's causing it

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i_is_cat:

its really weird.. so far its only done it like 4 times out of however many channel changes i made so at least it seems to be doing it less often..

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sphery:

i_is_cat: you probably want to use Browse Mode, anyway

[20:15:32]

sphery:

i.e. chanup/down don't change channel, but show you the program info for what's on the other channels and you use select to change channel

[20:15:51]

i_is_cat:

normally i use either the guide onscreen or mythweb and then just punch the number in.. i'm not a fan of the browse mode because i cant seem to find a decent osd theme..

[20:16:23]

i_is_cat:

the ch+ and ch- thing its just a quick fix to get the sound working properly

[20:16:31]

i_is_cat:

i never tried muting tho..

[20:17:20]

i_is_cat:

nope muting doesnt help it out lol

[20:17:31]

i_is_cat:

well it helps out my ears..

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sphery:

heh

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i_is_cat:

im wondering if it IS the bitrate.. because the frontend i'm using is also doing double duty as a router for a second lan

[20:18:49]

i_is_cat:

and its not gbe

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i_is_cat:

and setting down from 384 to 192kbps seems to have cut down the squealing by more than half

[20:20:40]

i_is_cat:

so its probably my neighbours and their crazy bandwidth usage with torrents eating up my streaming from my backend.. only way to find out for sure would be to cut them off completely and see if it keeps it up

[20:21:30]

i_is_cat:

or maybe add a third nic and dedicate two of them to the routing and the other for the mythfrontend.. that might help.............. but then i have to string another cable in here :S

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Er1K:

i_is_cat: Is this a momentary squeal DURING the channel change itself, or does the audio stay screwed up?

[20:23:53]

i_is_cat:

it stays that way

[20:24:31]

i_is_cat:

the squeal is pretty loud and under it you can hear the audio from the program

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laga:

Er1K: yay. grabbed a random 1368x768 modeline from the modeline DB in the wiki, adjusted the position in the OSD and i'm good

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Er1K:

laga: Awesome. That one drove me nuts for quite a while, and the "perfect" modeline varied a tiny bit between the mga and the radeon xorg drivers. I think I ran 1368x768 on the matrox, but radeon likes 1360x765 for some reason.

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laga:

Er1K: haha :)

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laga:

Er1K: google just told me the native res indeed is 1368x768. the manual just talked about 1280x768. yay.

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i_is_cat:

k i just replicated it on the backend/frontend so its not a bandwidth thing

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Er1K:

i_is_cat: the native res on mine is 1368x768, perhaps when I get around to ordering a dvi<>hdmi cable I can (or might have to) do 1368x768 again, but when I tell the radeon driver to do that over the hd15, the display becomes convinced it's in 1280x768 and overscans like crazy and looks slightly cruddy

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i_is_cat:

i mean i replicated the squealing thing on my frontend/backend .. i dont have any resolution problems myself.. my netbook i'm on is 1024x576 (lame) and it pulls up just fine :)

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i_is_cat:

altho i guess i do get a bit of overscan on my frontend thats hooked up to the tv but its so minimal its not worth worrying about..

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Er1K:

cat: I would take a small recording that you KNOW is squealing, nab the raw mpeg file, and try playing it manually with mplayer and see if THAT squeals. I'd be curious if it's being introduced at the recording stage or if it's a playback related issue

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i_is_cat:

hmmm ok let me see here..

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i_is_cat:

does the streaming in mythweb count?

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i_is_cat:

cuz i went to recorded programs, livetv, selected one and its squealing

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i_is_cat:

k ya i just used the direct download button and played it with mplayer and the same squeal

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i_is_cat:

also i just tried setting the sampling rate for hardware encoder below 48000 and it wont budge

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sphery:

good

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sphery:

since the PVR-x50's don't really work with anything other than 48kHz

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sphery:

have you tried 96kbps or 128kbps?

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i_is_cat:

nope i have not..

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sphery:

if bitrate is the issue, you should be able to go below 192 without much loss of quality

[20:49:39]

i_is_cat:

well i can try..

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i_is_cat:

does it matter what stream type i use?

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i_is_cat:

im using mpeg-2 ps right now

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laga:

hum

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laga:

do we really get the "other programs are using the database right now. we shouldn't upgrade" message when running the frontend?

[20:56:00]

laga:

i mean, the backend needs to be running

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i_is_cat:

nope i guess it doesnt matter cuz i tried changing to dvd special 2 and eventually got the same squeal

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i_is_cat:

weird

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i_is_cat:

now back to mpeg-2 ps but at 128kbps

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laga:

yay

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laga:

with current trunk, my dvd playback works

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i_is_cat:

and squealing at 128kbps.. this is weird

[21:00:41]

i_is_cat:

ah well i have to head out now i'll keep trying things later thanks for the help sphery, Er1K, kormoc and others :) bbl

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sphery:

good luck

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laga:

this laptop is so painfully slow. heh

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Er1K:

i_is_cat: good luck...if you see this before you go, I would consider getting something recording then manually playing with v4l2-ctl, to see what affects it and what does not

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Er1K:

("v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video1 --list-ctrls-menus | less" is your friend)

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sphery:

d'oh... that was a close one

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sphery:

I was shelled into my dev box and needed to check something on a fixes box so I shelled over to my production box and looked at the code there but left that terminal shelled over. Went back to working on the patch I'm doing and needed to drop the database. Fortunately I'm too lazy to type DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg; and used Ctrl-R to search history--which didn't find it, alerting me to the fact that I wasn't on my ...

[21:18:24]

sphery:

... dev box. :)

[21:18:45]

sphery:

would have been very annoying to drop the DB on my production box

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laga:

heh

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** laga putting the dev box into production.. **

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sphery:

the slow laptop is the dev box moving to production?

[21:19:41]

laga:

yep

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sphery:

guess for a backend, that works

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laga:

na, combined FE/BE.. mostly a DVD player right now, it won't be used for recordings much i guess

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

so probably standard-def, only

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laga:

yep

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sphery:

(or your definition of slow is very different from mine)

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laga:

it is a 1,4Ghz pentium m which is not too bad. it's mostly i/o bound i suppose

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elprespufferfish:

eesh. time to rip ~100 episodes of tv

[21:21:44]

elprespufferfish:

this is going to hurt

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sphery:

TV DVD's?

[21:22:04]

elprespufferfish:

yeah

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sphery:

so, about 5 discs per 20 episodes, meaning ripping 25 discs?

[21:22:23]

sphery:

that sounds like a lot of work

[21:22:56]

elprespufferfish:

it looks to be a lot of work

[21:23:04]

elprespufferfish:

not to mention a lot of time!

[21:23:13]

elprespufferfish:

and i had to figure out a permissions problem with mtd first

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laga:

need to disable KMS to get Xv overlay support. older intel chipsets don't have textured video :(

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sphery:

KMS?

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laga:

kernel-based mode switching

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sphery:

ahhh

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the_alien:

hi all. trying to use mythtv as upnp server to get acceess to my videos on the ps3. just switched the folder in the settings to be my video folder. is there anything else i have to do?

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hangfire:

So I've just installed MythTv in gentoo for the first time. I'm getting "Unknown Database – Unable to connect" errors. How can I create a new (empty) DB for Myth?

[21:45:16]

iamlindoro:

mythtv/database/mc.sql

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sphery:

hangfire: specifically: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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sphery:

(which says gentoo has its own way of doing it)

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sphery:

iamlindoro's answer is right, but it seems gentoo wants you to do it with their "friendly" script

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hangfire:

sphery: thanks. I'll get on to them about integrating that into the installer :P

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zr0:

ok, is doing two different filesystems/partitions across two disks, doing raid 0 for one, raid 1 for the other a dumb idea?

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zr0:

i.e., it will kill any performance benefit of the raid 0 scheme

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kormoc:

depends on if you care about the raid0 data

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kormoc:

and that would depends on how busy the raid0 or 1 is

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zr0:

the raid 0 would be very busy and the raid 1 would not

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zr0:

i basicaly want to do an xfs filesystem for hd streams for raid 0 and then have a smaller raid 0 ext3 partition for mp3s/pics

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kormoc:

how many hd streams are you doing at once?

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zr0:

s/smaller raid 0/smaller raid 1

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zr0:

worst case: 4 recording at once, two streaming out

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kormoc:

so why raid-0 at all? just set them up as two filesystems and have myth know about both of them?

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hangfire:

sphery: fantastic – thanks for the help

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hangfire:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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hangfire:

So now I'm in myth-setup, and the fonts are all massive and the sentences are cut off.

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zr0:

kormoc: i was thinking this might be too much of a load for one harddrive

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kormoc:

zr0: well, you won't ever get a recording at more then 20 mbit per second, or 2.5 megabytes per second, a single drive can handle a few of those fine

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zr0:

hmmm

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kormoc:

hdparm -t /dev/sdx

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kormoc:

will give you a rough idea of what one disk can read at, it'll be a bit faster then that 2.5

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sphery:

hangfire: are you running at a tiny resolution?

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zr0:

kormoc: so probably a good idea just to do seperate filesystems and use one for recording and the other for dvd/bluray/hd archive files

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hangfire:

sphery: 1280x720

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the_alien:

can someone please help me getting my videos through mythtv to the ps3? it works on the mythtv box, but the ps3 shows no videos on the mediaserver

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hangfire:

sorting my theme now, never mind

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the_alien:

ps3 sucks. *switching xbox with xbmc on*

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kormoc:

the_alien: according to the upnp page in the mythtv wiki, a recent firmare update broke ps3 upnp support

[22:06:16]

kormoc:

and really, if you don't even want to try to fix it (cause you just switched to the xbox) why ask?

[22:06:28]

the_alien:

i want

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kormoc:

a pony?

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the_alien:

but i tried for an hour or so and now i just wanted to start watching ;)

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AndyCap:

hmm, well my ps3 is supposedly current (enough to logon to psn) and it played recordings fine. dunno about video though

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the_alien:

recordings start, but i shouldn't try to fast forward it

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the_alien:

and it is giving me dlna errors over and over while playing

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sphery:

the_alien: xbox with xbmc is much better for videos than xbox 360 with DRMed UPnP

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laga:

sphery: except for HD :)

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the_alien:

pretty sad that this old piece of hardware deals better with all kind of videos... except HD :/

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sphery:

laga how very true

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sphery:

the_alien: it's not the hardware--it's the software

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the_alien:

sad enough

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sphery:

i.e. MS had more time to put unreasonable restrictions into the software

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sphery:

(i.e. No MPEG-2 video unless it's given to me by a Windows box using MS container formats)

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the_alien:

i think i have to buy a dedicated living room pc when i get my new full hd tv

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the_alien:

with this old tv xbmc is good. thought i could handle all my mythtv stuff through the ps3... :/

[22:12:50]

sphery:

the_alien: better approach--buy a dedicated PC with dedicated living room wires

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sphery:

the_alien: meaning keep the PC in some other room and run the wires through/around walls to the TV/speakers

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kormoc:

Partial HD tv, sounds amusing. The left side of the screen, 1080i, the right, standard def

[22:13:33]

sphery:

then you don't have to buy a ludicrously-expensive "silent" PC that gives you 1/3 the power for 10x the price

[22:14:16]

sphery:

kormoc: it's not partially-HD, he's just buying it on an installment plan. They've delivered the first 1/4 of it so far.

[22:14:17]

the_alien:

sounds good, sphery

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elprespufferfish:

huzzah! season 1 complete

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sphery:

only 4 to go

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zr0:

does comskip require a really beefy processor?

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zr0:

i have an amd x2 3800

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sphery:

zr0: commskip requires only a processor sufficiently-powerful to play the video

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sphery:

(as commskip only skips playing a portion of the video it's playing)

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sphery:

if you mean commercial detection? that basically plays back the video... I have 2 backends doing commercial flagging (detection) but that can't do it in real time

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sphery:

so if I record a 30-minute episode of The Simpsons, it can take almost an hour to finish flagging it

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sphery:

But note, also, that commercial flagging of LiveTV never occurs, so you need "real" recordings.

[22:21:45]

sphery:

and if you're watching an in-progress recording, you'll need a backend that can flag in real time

[22:22:31]

sphery:

but you won't get any flagging information until the airing is at least 8-minutes in (because it looks through the first 8 minutes of the recording to find the logo, so it basically doesn't start flagging until 8 minutes have been recorded)

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zr0:

so for 30 minutes, the recording happens, and then an additional hour to detect where the commercials are and strip them out?

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_ben:

how accurate is it these days?

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sphery:

I have it flag while recording, so...

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zr0:

so if you flag while recording, it still takes a full hour for 30 minutes?

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sphery:

recording starts, flagging starts--but is delayed for 8mins to get a logo detection buffer--then about 50mins later, it finishes flagging that episode

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zr0:

gotcha

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sphery:

only because my backends take that long

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zr0:

what kind of processor does the backend have?

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sphery:

if you have a 4.8GHz Core 2 Quad, you can probably flag faster than real time

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sphery:

Athlon XP 2000+ and 2400+ and high-definition MPEG-2

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zr0:

hmm, i could be in some trouble then

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zr0:

i want to comskip up to three hd streams that are each in h.264

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zr0:

and i only have an athlon x2

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kormoc:

and you'll be watching them all at the same time all the time?

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zr0:

oh no, probably just watching one

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sphery:

no problem... you just need 2 more Athlon X2's (at 3.5GHz or so, probably)?

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kormoc:

so don't worry bout it

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sphery:

yeah... just set the max number of jobs to 1

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kormoc:

it'll stack up and do them as they finish

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sphery:

and it does it low prioirty

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zr0:

ah, gottcha

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kormoc:

and worse comes to worse, if you watch one that's not done, hit the skip 30 seconds button a few times and call it good

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sphery:

though you can run mythjobqueue on any GNU/Linux host to offload some of it

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sphery:

or the jump 3 minutes button

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sphery:

then fine tune with skip

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sphery:

*sigh* Someone on the -users list bought new hardware for a MythTV system and did /not/ buy a system that was exactly the minimal system requirements. So, she ended up getting a system that will do everything she needs it to do and will scale well as future requirements change.

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sphery:

and, to add insult to injury, it cost her less than the underpowered system

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kormoc:

When will users ever learn...

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sphery:

No joke... I thought the whole point of that list was to prevent that type of thing from happening.

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_ben:

mmm

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mike_hurley_1:

anybody trying out 0.22?

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_ben:

i am

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sphery:

you mean trunk

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mike_hurley_1:

i guess

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sphery:

as there isn't yet a 0.22 :)

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mike_hurley_1:

how do you get video manager to scan stuff?

[22:46:29]

mike_hurley_1:

or, how do you get mythvideo to do it?

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mike_hurley_1:

when i press M i get "video options" dialog with a "play folder" option that seems wothless (VIDEO_TS ?)

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_ben:

think you hit menu, scan for changes?

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Dagmar:

You spend more than thirty seconds poking around in the frontend configs and you'll see the option

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** _ben checks **

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kormoc:

mike_hurley_1: try i?

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_ben:

yeah, it's i

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sphery:

we really need to get rid of the M/I confusion

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mike_hurley_1:

is I a new common key?

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_ben:

yeah

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sphery:

I = INFO

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sphery:

been there forever

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sphery:

(in MythTV)

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_ben:

some stuff got moved from M's menu to I's

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sphery:

MythVideo is using it, now, to make it closer to MythTV's Watch Recordings

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sphery:

symmetry

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_ben:

delete recordings for instance

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sphery:

consistency

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sphery:

in Watch Recordings, Delete was always in INFO

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dustybin:

will one be able to move a tv recording into mythvideo?

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_ben:

Yeah, probably – I always deleted via the M menu tho

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mike_hurley_1:

funny...on my remote it's an "i" button with the text "MORE" next to it

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sphery:

in MV (which should be Delete Video), it may have been moved to make it like MythTV

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mike_hurley_1:

i think that button's currently wired to the M key...am I going to want to start remapping lirc?

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sphery:

We'll tell you when 0.22 comes out

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sphery:

i.e. it's not finished and there may be some changes

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** dustybin feels excited **

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sphery:

dustybin: TTBOMK, you can do that in trunk

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sphery:

without having to do it manually

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dustybin:

wow nice

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mike_hurley_1:

ok, I was the key I needed, then I had to exit out of the frontend and go back to get it to show up

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mike_hurley_1:

is it odd to you guys that ubuntu karmic currently points to "0.22" packages for mythtv stuff?

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_ben:

Shouldn't need to exit, altho granted it does take a while to show up

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mike_hurley_1:

is the cache in the db or inside mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

you *do* need to exit mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

and count slowly to five

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kormoc:

mike_hurley_1: it's cause Ubuntu is crazy

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mike_hurley_1:

on the upside, the annoying "Enter IMDB Number" ghost dialog upon entering mythvideo is gone

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iamlindoro:

it's because in order to sneak .22 in to 9.10, they need to put a placeholder in now

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iamlindoro:

mike_hurley_1, If you are going to the video manager, don't... it's deprecated and unnecessary

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mike_hurley_1:

good to know

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iamlindoro:

you can scan for changes in any mythvideo view

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josh:

iamlindoro, does 0.22 have the ability to scan the video directory upon entering MythVideo?

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iamlindoro:

no

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_ben:

is scanning an entirely manual process atm?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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_ben:

k

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josh:

That would seem like a logical feature, considering it takes about half a second to finish.

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kormoc:

josh: takes bout 8 minutes for mine to scan

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josh:

kormoc, Videos? really?

[23:07:41]

kormoc:

aye

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iamlindoro:

not to mention hearing what a "logical feature" is from people who don't submit patches makes my blood boil

[23:08:06]

josh:

I've got hundereds of videos on 0.21, and scanning takes about half a second

[23:08:16]

josh:

iamlindoro, I'm sorry I offended you.

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_ben:

So, anyway – I'm pondering a plugin – tho a newcomer to mythtv not sure if the framework is in place – i'd like browse a site and download stuff to my mythtvideo dir – Would this be tricky to implement?

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kormoc:

multiple NFS mounts, all automount, deep structures

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_ben:

This is entirely legal btw (I'm taking part in a BBC trial)

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kormoc:

and I have to scan my full music collection to pick up all my music videos, so a scan takes multiple thousand files into account

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josh:

kormoc, Well then.

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josh:

kormoc, let me know when you can use that frontend again. I'll be working on some way to do it all in the background.

[23:11:07]

kormoc:

who said I can't use the frontend now?

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kormoc:

nor that I even use the frontend to scan?

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** dustybin thinks of all the patches he has submitted over the years **

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** iamlindoro glares at dustybin **

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iamlindoro:

it's time for you to go

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dustybin:

interesting: http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/1003

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sphery:

and besides, autoscanning on entering mythvideo would suck for those people who have backends shut down/filesystems unmounted

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iamlindoro:

among other reasons for my not having done it

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

like the big one, we don't scan into the active instance of the metadata list

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sphery:

yeah, with the 5s thing, it wouldn't really help, anyway :)

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kormoc:

so the obvious solution is to scan on exit!

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

yeah, I know you just quit, but rather then actually quit, I'll eat up your cpu and disk resources for awhile!

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iamlindoro:

or abandon local storage for .23 (or have it only show up in "flat" browse mode), move scanning and metadata into the backend, and call it a day

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kormoc:

++

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sphery:

+++

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sphery:

(or would it be ++ ++?)

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iamlindoro:

I was thinking about doing a "hybrid" local-SG storage thing

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sphery:

oooh... SG + flat-local

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sphery:

I like

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iamlindoro:

you point mythvideo at the local setting, and on startup it sees if there's anything in that dir-- if there is, it injects it into the directory structure

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iamlindoro:

so you can use USB drives/whatever

[23:28:10]

iamlindoro:

but still go SG only

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sphery:

So, how is it that iamlindoro can get so much code written when it seems he must spend all his time sitting around thinking of ways to improve MythVideo?

[23:28:10]

kormoc:

he uses both sides of his brain at the same time! Impressive!

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sphery:

He's like an idea man who /also/ codes.

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sphery:

nice...

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kormoc:

I guess I shouldn't have sold half of mine for that cupcake back in '87

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

I tried that once, but only one side of my brain was right.

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iamlindoro:

musta been some cupcake

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sphery:

the power switch for my TV just flipped...

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sphery:

must mean my Myth productivity will be 0 for the rest of the day

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

you actually *watch* TV?

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iamlindoro:

(there's where that time comes from)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, have you noted that many MKV files will refuse to start playing via SG?

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iamlindoro:

I'm suspecting we don't serve up enough data to start playing, but I'm not sure

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dustybin:

in the future, will television eventually move to online only?

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dustybin:

http://mashable.com/2009/08/29/apple-tv-industry/

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you need to stop talking

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dustybin:

:(

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kormoc:

++

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GreyFoxx:

I've never once had that happen

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GreyFoxx:

in fact 60+% of my Sg served content are mkv's and not once had one not play

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GreyFoxx:

and since I've been sick all week I've been watching a lot of them ;)

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GreyFoxx:

almost time for another trip to the hospital *sigh*

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, very odd-- I'd say 50% of mine won't play

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iamlindoro:

but play fine locally

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I've never encountered that

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx: getting better at least?

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: so far yeah... feeling crappy right now but that could have just been a bad round of sleep

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mzb:

L1o9O6n9Y

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mzb:

*cackle*

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** kormoc sshes to mzb.com **

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** mzb sshes **

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm warehouse.13.s01e09.mkv parses correctly for me..... is this something teh guy claims broke after 21556 ?

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm no, he says it broke in 21509

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GreyFoxx:

Well, with 21556 it works for me *shrug*.... maybe after I get back from the hospital I'll update and try again

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, all of my mkvs play fine over SGs

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, That would work w/o today's changes

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, it's his random "theft signature" stuff that screws it up

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iamlindoro:

ie 720p.x264-CTU

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** wagnerrp just played Warehouse.13.S01E09.720p.x264-CTU.mkv over SGs **

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iamlindoro:

!trout wagnerrp

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** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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wagnerrp:

wait a minute... there is no S01E09 for that series

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sphery:

so it's not only a stolen copy, but he stole unreleased episodes...

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wagnerrp:

that is supposed to air on Tuesday

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** GreyFoxx heads out **

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iamlindoro:

So more Defying Gravity tonight-- shame it's definitely headed for cancellation

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wagnerrp:

there has been official word?

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iamlindoro:

don't think so

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iamlindoro:

just know so :)

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wagnerrp:

you know, i think that should would be just as good, but far less annoying, if there wasnt some omnipotent being forcing them into space

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wagnerrp:

of course the instantaneous communication is still a bit unnerving

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sphery:

I've been looking forward to watching that show, and now you guys are telling me I'll be watching it knowing that it's been cancelled... :(

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sphery:

(as I won't watch it for a while, yet)

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iamlindoro:

Well it hasn't been cancelled *yet*

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iamlindoro:

I just don't see how it won't be

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sphery:

why can't they ever keep a scifi show on tv?

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iamlindoro:

it's ABC and the ratings are worse than Pushing Daisies

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sphery:

wow

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