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| [00:03:21] | mike3: | can anyone help me out? |
| [00:04:25] | mike3: | This is a pain.. I followed the setwakeup.sh howto and if I manually turn the computer on it will boot up and mythtv will automatically update the correct RTC time in the bios and shut the computer off right away. I have 1200 sec idle set before it's suppose to shut. The only way the 1200 sec idle works is if I manually start mythtv after being completely booted up. |
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| [00:08:43] | mike3: | the problem with this is that I can't actually watch tv when I want because it will shut itsself down right away |
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| [00:24:59] | caseyd: | okay so today I'm getting 'No UPnP backends found'... I'm following a troubleshooting guide to find all mysql.txt's.. my question is which one is the one I want in /etc/mythtv or /usr/share/mythtv |
| [00:28:19] | sphery: | no upnp backends founds just means that you haven't yet told it where your backend is |
| [00:28:23] | sphery: | it's not an error |
| [00:28:30] | sphery: | it then asks you to select your backend |
| [00:28:43] | caseyd: | worked yesterday =/ |
| [00:29:47] | sphery: | well, you want to edit all mysql.txt files so they're all correct, or this will continue to happen |
| [00:29:54] | sphery: | different ones are used in different contexts |
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| [00:30:13] | caseyd: | ok |
| [00:30:31] | sphery: | (or delete them all and use $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml , instead--though you need that in the HOME used for every MythTV process) |
| [00:30:44] | caseyd: | this is kinda fun though, so far everyday theres a new hurdle to jump through to turn it on |
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| [00:34:18] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [00:34:36] | mattwj2002: | I am looking at buying a new motherboard for my mythtv box |
| [00:34:43] | mattwj2002: | it has a hdmi port on it |
| [00:34:51] | mattwj2002: | anyone know how well those are supported? |
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| [00:39:45] | sphery: | for video, rather well |
| [00:39:50] | sphery: | for audio, depends |
| [00:40:05] | sphery: | (at least that's my--admittedly very limited--understanding) |
| [00:40:49] | mattwj2002: | actually I don't need audio through hdmi |
| [00:41:06] | mattwj2002: | it'll go into a monitor without speakers |
| [00:41:07] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [00:59:11] | caseyd: | is there a way to reset my mythbuntu back to default settings easily? |
| [00:59:28] | caseyd: | guess i could reinstall and startover |
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| [01:06:11] | sphery: | I think mythbuntu provides a tool to do that, but I don't know what it is |
| [01:06:20] | sphery: | might want to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [01:08:06] | c3ntaur: | Does anyone else have a Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold? |
| [01:08:12] | c3ntaur: | The non-dual tuner one |
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| [01:08:39] | c3ntaur: | It seems like Linux and Myth recognize the card but I'm having a hard time getting it to scan for OTA |
| [01:11:11] | caseyd: | so when I run mythtv-setup again I get the no UPnP and it asks for database info, then it says Cannot login to database? and does it again |
| [01:11:14] | sphery: | might need to up the timeouts in mythtv-setup |
| [01:11:36] | sphery: | caseyd: means you still have invalid mysql.txt and/or config.xml file(s) |
| [01:12:07] | c3ntaur: | I had that problem and I'm no expert by any means but it went away when I filled out the pin number section |
| [01:12:14] | caseyd: | ah okay, i wonder how they got messed up |
| [01:12:57] | c3ntaur: | When I left it blank it was supposedly blocking all connections so maybe that'll help |
| [01:15:13] | songer: | hello, How are you doing averybody? |
| [01:15:15] | songer: | how can I run |
| [01:15:17] | songer: | mythtv-setup |
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| [01:18:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | umm... type "mythtv-setup" in a shell window perhaps? |
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| [01:32:22] | c3ntaur: | Is there a util that will help confirm whether my card can scan OTA at all? |
| [01:32:29] | c3ntaur: | I'm wondering if it's a config issue or hardware issue |
| [01:32:54] | mattwj2002: | what card c3ntaur? |
| [01:33:15] | c3ntaur: | Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold |
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| [01:33:23] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [01:33:29] | c3ntaur: | The FusionHDTV7 Dual supposedly does OTA just fine |
| [01:33:46] | c3ntaur: | And Linux and Myth seem to recognize the card so I'm a little confused |
| [01:33:55] | c3ntaur: | This is my last thing to fix before moving over to Linux completely |
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| [01:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Is the firmware in place? |
| [01:35:10] | c3ntaur: | How would I confirm that? |
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| [01:35:42] | c3ntaur: | Sorry I've read what I could find on my card but maybe am overlooking things since I've never done this before obviously |
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| [01:35:49] | mattwj2002: | that is a usb device? |
| [01:35:52] | c3ntaur: | No |
| [01:35:56] | c3ntaur: | It's PCI |
| [01:36:00] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [01:36:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: You would have had to copy a file to /lib/firmware - |
| [01:36:31] | c3ntaur: | Nope didn't do that |
| [01:36:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: See if you've got a message logged in dmesg — ie "dmesg |grep -i firmware" |
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| [01:37:11] | c3ntaur: | Yeah lots of messages |
| [01:37:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: perhaps "dvb-fe-xc5000–1.1.fw" ? |
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| [01:40:41] | c3ntaur: | Yup that's the one |
| [01:40:42] | mattwj2002: | couple of questions c3ntaur |
| [01:40:53] | mattwj2002: | kernel version? |
| [01:41:09] | mattwj2002: | and is your card a DViCO |
| [01:41:09] | mattwj2002: | FusionHDTV7 RT Gold ? |
| [01:41:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: so – you've got to find the firmware and put it in /lib/firmware, then it should start working (might need re-boot, I don't remember) |
| [01:41:23] | c3ntaur: | [ 424.327936] xc5000: waiting for firmware upload (dvb-fe-xc5000–1.1.fw)... |
| [01:41:23] | c3ntaur: | [ 424.327946] i2c-adapter i2c-2: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-xc5000–1.1.fw |
| [01:41:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: He doesn't have the firmware in place, so it's probably just that. |
| [01:41:28] | c3ntaur: | Yeah it's the RT Gold |
| [01:41:39] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [01:41:45] | c3ntaur: | 2.6.28-11-generic |
| [01:41:58] | mattwj2002: | oh good |
| [01:41:59] | c3ntaur: | Hm never thought of that before but worth a try |
| [01:42:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: You wouldn't know how to obtain the firmware for that card would you? ;-) |
| [01:42:11] | c3ntaur: | Hah my next question |
| [01:42:19] | mattwj2002: | nope but I see you have to have kernel version 2.6.26 |
| [01:42:24] | mattwj2002: | which is pretty new :D |
| [01:42:46] | mattwj2002: | I dig though |
| [01:42:47] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:43:00] | c3ntaur: | Well if I have .28 I should be set if I can find it? |
| [01:43:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xceive_XC50 . . . the_Firmware |
| [01:44:42] | songer: | what are de comanads to run mythtv-setup |
| [01:45:03] | mattwj2002: | it would help if I clicked on that link |
| [01:45:04] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: trolling???? I told you a while back – open a shell and type "mythtv-setup".... |
| [01:47:15] | c3ntaur: | Alright I got it thanks for the link |
| [01:47:53] | c3ntaur: | Lemme restart and report back |
| [01:47:54] | kormoc: | sphery: good to know I wasn't insane! (re video types in the db) |
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| [01:48:36] | songer: | in terminal |
| [01:48:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: yes |
| [01:49:01] | kormoc: | songer: in the terminal, you type mythtv-setup and press return, as J-e-f-f-A has said already |
| [01:49:29] | sphery: | kormoc: What's that supposed to mean? Are you calling me insane? ;) |
| [01:50:00] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:50:07] | kormoc: | songer: and you might want to see if there's a mythtv help channel specific to your first language to get help if English is too much for ya |
| [01:50:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha! when I first read sphery's response, I thought it was from somebody else... ;-) |
| [01:50:36] | kormoc: | sphery: heh... I don't question the mental state of others, just my own ;) |
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| [01:52:11] | songer: | I did tgis songer:/home/songer# mythtv-setup |
| [01:52:14] | mattwj2002: | hey guys I have a question |
| [01:52:39] | mattwj2002: | it is a bit of topic but a quite relevent |
| [01:53:09] | mattwj2002: | are there any plans to make any cable cards for linux and mythtv? |
| [01:53:22] | mattwj2002: | I know they have them for windows media center |
| [01:53:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: We would love them to be compatible, but it's the industry that will keep that from ever happening... |
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| [01:55:33] | songer: | I already did that but it doesn't happen nothing |
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| [01:56:03] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [01:56:05] | mattwj2002: | songer |
| [01:56:17] | songer: | yes |
| [01:56:22] | mattwj2002: | are you using ubuntu or some version of it? |
| [01:56:26] | songer: | debian |
| [01:56:33] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [01:57:16] | mattwj2002: | in Ubuntu you have to do sudo mythtv-setup |
| [01:57:23] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure in debian |
| [01:58:27] | songer: | ok thanks |
| [01:59:12] | c3ntaur: | Wow well I got video so that's a huge step in the right direction |
| [01:59:13] | mattwj2002: | I just tried it again....I guess that isn't necessary |
| [01:59:14] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:59:24] | mattwj2002: | sorry about that :) |
| [01:59:25] | c3ntaur: | I think I need to pick something besides Analog V4L Tuner though |
| [01:59:35] | c3ntaur: | I just get a single Korean channel with no audio |
| [01:59:41] | c3ntaur: | Never got that in Windows though ;) |
| [01:59:48] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [02:00:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: hehe... it's a digital tuner, you want to set it up as a DVB tuner /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [02:02:09] | c3ntaur: | That was my next guess |
| [02:02:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: re: cablecard – interesting article from last year: http://hdguru.com/how-the-cable-industry-plan . . . -owners/233/ |
| [02:02:55] | c3ntaur: | I went with analog first cuz it identifies it as the card name not the chipset as with dvb |
| [02:05:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I guess either I've got something setup wrong on my trunk box, or stepping frame-by-frame when paused in VDPAU doesn't work... doh! |
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| [02:09:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot]... wow... just when I thought the Redskins were going to go 7 points up on us, we interecept and run it back for 99 yards... yikes... [preseason game] |
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| [02:18:05] | c3ntaur: | Really lame question ... how do I surf channels with the keyboard? |
| [02:18:27] | c3ntaur: | I now get video and audio but just see NBC |
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| [02:19:09] | mattwj2002: | you only get NBC |
| [02:19:11] | mattwj2002: | sorry :) |
| [02:19:20] | mattwj2002: | 1 channel per tuner :P |
| [02:19:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: hit "M" and select the channel guide... ;-) or press the up and down arrows... |
| [02:19:35] | c3ntaur: | Hehe at least it's NBC-US |
| [02:19:55] | c3ntaur: | It's cool how they show sports like swimming and skiing |
| [02:20:38] | mattwj2002: | how does it look? |
| [02:20:54] | mattwj2002: | just have to mess you with a little bit :P |
| [02:21:01] | c3ntaur: | Looks even better than Windows |
| [02:21:15] | c3ntaur: | Well pic quality isn't crystal clear but that's on their end I know that much |
| [02:21:21] | c3ntaur: | And signal is a lot more stable |
| [02:21:29] | c3ntaur: | But for some reason it really did only tune NBC I think |
| [02:21:57] | mattwj2002: | the arrow keys didn't work? |
| [02:22:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: If you bring up the Program guide, do you have all your channels? |
| [02:22:38] | sphery: | arrow keys followed by select |
| [02:22:50] | sphery: | i.e. it defaults to browse mode enabled |
| [02:23:03] | sphery: | (because only a sadist would every turn off browse mode) |
| [02:23:17] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees... ;-) ** | |
| [02:23:33] | c3ntaur: | Yeah it'd scroll through but I only see NBC NBC-WX and NBC-US |
| [02:23:49] | c3ntaur: | Does it matter that I set it for no grabber? |
| [02:23:50] | mattwj2002: | this is OTA? |
| [02:23:54] | c3ntaur: | Wanted to first see if it'd actually tune |
| [02:23:56] | c3ntaur: | Yes |
| [02:24:03] | c3ntaur: | I know I should pic up Fox loud and clear |
| [02:24:06] | mattwj2002: | what do you have for an antenna? |
| [02:24:24] | c3ntaur: | Terk indoor |
| [02:24:34] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [02:24:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: You still didn't answer my question – if you press "M", and select "Program Guide" – do you see all your channels in the guide??? |
| [02:25:09] | sphery: | c3ntaur: no grabber isn't an issue, but you have to have done a proper channel scan before channels will work |
| [02:26:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | (Enter = Select) |
| [02:26:57] | c3ntaur: | Yeah I did hit M and those 3 chans were listed |
| [02:27:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Then the answer would be "No, only those 3 channels were shown".... Sounds like your channel scan didn't complete. |
| [02:28:23] | c3ntaur: | I just bumped up the number of ms it'll check for a chan when it scans |
| [02:28:28] | c3ntaur: | Looks like it found CBS now |
| [02:28:33] | c3ntaur: | We'll see what happens when it's done |
| [02:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Let it run all the way through... Because the virtual channel number has nothing to do with the physical broadcast channel number anymore... |
| [02:29:23] | sphery: | make sure you wait until it says it's done |
| [02:29:27] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:29:30] | sphery: | exactly |
| [02:29:43] | sphery: | nice to have someone type out my thoughts for me |
| [02:29:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehehe... ;-) |
| [02:30:19] | c3ntaur: | So now I just need to get Myth to fully work followed by winning the Mega Millions later tonight and I'll be all set |
| [02:30:33] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:30:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: You're not gonna win. I've got the winning ticket in front of me. ;-) |
| [02:30:49] | mattwj2002: | if you win you have to share with your friends on IRC |
| [02:30:50] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:31:04] | mattwj2002: | buddy ole pal |
| [02:31:06] | mattwj2002: | ;) |
| [02:31:19] | c3ntaur: | Hehe me DCCs lotto winnings |
| [02:31:35] | c3ntaur: | I have 39 tickets in front of me |
| [02:31:36] | sphery: | hey, it' smy buddy c3ntaur |
| [02:31:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I dunno... it's only $210.4M cash option... |
| [02:31:43] | c3ntaur: | Gotta love office pools |
| [02:31:51] | ** sphery wants in on this lottery action ** | |
| [02:31:57] | mattwj2002: | 39 tickets o.O |
| [02:32:05] | sphery: | I have 0 tickets |
| [02:32:12] | mattwj2002: | same here |
| [02:32:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've just got 8. ;-) |
| [02:32:18] | sphery: | How much higher are your odds of winning? |
| [02:32:32] | sphery: | Sorry... That was evil/mean. |
| [02:32:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... about .0000000000000000001% higher than just one ticket I suppose... DOH! |
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| [02:33:03] | c3ntaur: | Hah oh I know it's slim to none but for $2 to chip in to the pool I don't mind |
| [02:33:24] | [R]: | am i going to hate myself if i only get a 500gb hard drive vs a 1tb? it's gonna be recording hdpvr stuff |
| [02:33:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Gee, that's a small office pool... at my old company we bought 200 tickets when the jackpot was high... ;-) |
| [02:33:37] | c3ntaur: | And then I made sure to buy a ticket for myself so that one can win and I can rub it in everyone else's face |
| [02:34:11] | sphery: | c3ntaur: yeah, I won't be making fun of you after you win |
| [02:34:29] | sphery: | I'd probably even offer to set up the Myth box of your dreams*. |
| [02:34:31] | sphery: | *for a fee |
| [02:34:34] | mattwj2002: | is this the Powerball? |
| [02:34:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | If I win I'm buying a new Myth system. ;-) Hehehehe |
| [02:34:52] | c3ntaur: | Mega Millions |
| [02:35:14] | mattwj2002: | what state? |
| [02:35:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | MA here... |
| [02:36:09] | mattwj2002: | $333 Million o.O |
| [02:36:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: Yeah, but $210.4M cash option. ;-) |
| [02:36:38] | mattwj2002: | only haha |
| [02:37:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | 24 mins until I win... |
| [02:37:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Odds of hitting the jackpot are 1 in 175,711,536 ... ;-) |
| [02:37:58] | mattwj2002: | J-e-f-f-A when you win will you buy me a new motherboard an a 2.5 TB hard drive? |
| [02:38:03] | mattwj2002: | please :) |
| [02:38:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I suppose I could afford that. ;-) You seem like a cool guy so far... ;-) |
| [02:38:43] | mattwj2002: | hehe sweet :D |
| [02:38:47] | sphery: | So, my chances of winning: 0%. Your chances of winning: 8/175,711,536 = 0.000000045529 . c3ntaur's chances of winning: 39/175,711,536 = 0.000000221954 |
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| [02:39:00] | sphery: | I don't feel like I'm that far behind you all... |
| [02:39:05] | c3ntaur: | Not so much |
| [02:39:32] | c3ntaur: | Might as well rip up the tickets now |
| [02:39:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Actually, my chances are a little better than c3ntaur's – he's gotta share the $$$ with a bunch of co-workers, I'm all by myself... ;-) |
| [02:39:50] | c3ntaur: | But at least I have more channels now so the night isn't all lost |
| [02:39:53] | sphery: | your chance of winning is smaller, but the payoff is greater |
| [02:39:53] | c3ntaur: | Hah good call |
| [02:40:17] | sphery: | and, depending on how many are sharing his jackpot, your risk/reward may actually be higher |
| [02:40:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ah yeah, you're right... ;-) |
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| [02:40:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A "get it right!" |
| [02:40:36] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a "get it right!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
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| [02:42:52] | sphery: | For lotteries, I have a perfect approach. I buy one ticket and look at the selected numbers. Since I know that in all likelihood, those numbers are /not/ the winning numbers, I buy a second ticket with /different/ numbers. Then, I immediately throw away the first ticket (since I already determined it's a losing ticket) and hang on to my winning ticket. |
| [02:42:59] | c3ntaur: | Seems like increasing the ms that it scans worked |
| [02:43:04] | sphery: | I'm sure the logic is sound, but for some reason, it hasn't worked for me. |
| [02:43:29] | mattwj2002: | how many channels now c3ntaur? |
| [02:43:39] | c3ntaur: | Thanks guys this is gonna be nice to finally give Linux a go |
| [02:43:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Hehe... Did you hear about the big winner of $500 million hasn't come forward in FL yet from 6 months ago? (JUST KIDDING!) |
| [02:44:00] | c3ntaur: | 22 |
| [02:44:10] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:44:14] | mattwj2002: | sweet |
| [02:44:19] | c3ntaur: | Not all of them display a pic but I don't mind so much |
| [02:44:33] | c3ntaur: | As long as I get the major networks |
| [02:50:26] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: heh |
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| [02:54:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, 30 mins left I guess.... drawing is at 11:24pm Eastern... |
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| [02:55:10] | sphery: | wow, we were just talking about him |
| [02:55:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: ROTFL – I was just thinking the same thing!!!! |
| [02:56:34] | sphery: | funny timing for him to show up |
| [02:56:50] | sphery: | maybe it's a sign |
| [02:58:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'll take it. ;-) |
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| [03:10:38] | c3ntaur: | 01-17-31-37–54[31] |
| [03:12:05] | iamlindoro: | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
| [03:12:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: showing me your #'s, or is that the pick? They don't air it until 11:24 here... (another 12 mins) |
| [03:12:59] | c3ntaur: | Looks like they already did the drawing |
| [03:13:07] | c3ntaur: | That's what I found on my state's lottery page |
| [03:13:24] | c3ntaur: | The Mega Millions site seems to be getting millions of visitors |
| [03:13:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Yeah, I just tried to refresh it and it didn't come up... ;-) |
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| [03:16:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: my FiOS link isn't helping one bit with that site... DOH! (Can you say DOS?) |
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| [03:17:09] | c3ntaur: | They don't have that in my area yet :( |
| [03:18:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: I dunno – they're still not showing the #'s drawn on the megamillions.com site – it finally refreshed for me... |
| [03:19:02] | c3ntaur: | Hm hurry up and buy those numbers? :) |
| [03:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: maybe you're reading the 1st ticket that sphery threw out? ;-) |
| [03:21:26] | c3ntaur: | Hah I wish |
| [03:21:27] | c3ntaur: | http://www.illinoislottery.com/ on the upper right side |
| [03:22:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Holy *bleep* – 2 to 6" of rain overnight for me... yikes... |
| [03:23:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you better type that in again in 108 mins |
| [03:23:46] | sphery: | now you can never stop |
| [03:23:47] | iamlindoro: | glad SOMEONE got it ;) |
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| [03:25:15] | Kingsley_: | Hey everyone |
| [03:25:23] | sphery: | Kingsley_: welcome to the GNU/Linux (and MythTV) scene :) |
| [03:25:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen everyone |
| [03:25:30] | MythLogBot: | everyone was last seen 38 days 8 hours 27 minutes 20 seconds ago |
| [03:25:32] | Kingsley_: | Thanks :) |
| [03:25:41] | sphery: | wow, there really was an everyone |
| [03:25:45] | sphery: | (that may have been me... |
| [03:25:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was thinking the same thing... ;-) |
| [03:26:06] | jblack: | !seen hope |
| [03:26:06] | MythLogBot: | hope has not been seen here |
| [03:26:08] | Kingsley_: | I've been having problems with installing Windows OS's on this computer... decided to try linux... and was bounced over here after joining an Ubuntu channel |
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| [03:26:26] | Kingsley_: | Hopefully this can help my problem.. :) |
| [03:27:04] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: heh--> 20090721 14:57:58-!- You're now known as everyone |
| [03:27:43] | Kingsley_: | While I'm installing it, if I have my WinTV Tuner card already plugged in... will it install a driver for it? |
| [03:27:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha! ;-) |
| [03:27:48] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: we were trying to convince someone of something he didn't want to hear, so we did things like /nick everyone followed by /me agrees |
| [03:28:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: classic... ;-) |
| [03:28:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Yep, you're right... :-( 'live' isn't always 'live' I guess... Those are the real #'s... |
| [03:29:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: Dang... If only I hadn't thrown out that 1st ticket I bought... |
| [03:29:23] | Kingsley_: | Gah... can someone answer that question? :( |
| [03:29:28] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-07-21 at about 14:57 |
| [03:30:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: Hauppauge WinTV? Which model? |
| [03:30:18] | Kingsley_: | I actually don't have a number... :/ |
| [03:30:27] | Kingsley_: | Its an old card, with the sticker scratched off |
| [03:30:31] | Kingsley_: | but I had it running on my old PC |
| [03:30:44] | iamlindoro: | Myth has nothing to do w/ drivers... myth is an application that runs on top of linux |
| [03:30:51] | iamlindoro: | your linux distro needs to have support for it |
| [03:31:10] | iamlindoro: | but if it's an ancient WinTV, it's almost definitely supported... it'll just be terrible |
| [03:31:13] | sphery: | Kingsley_: Is this "WinTV Tuner card" a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150/500/... |
| [03:31:35] | sphery: | If it's a WinTV PVR-x50/500, it will be good |
| [03:31:43] | Kingsley_: | It probably is supported |
| [03:31:46] | iamlindoro: | otherwise... |
| [03:31:51] | Kingsley_: | but I'm confused... :/ Myth isnt a seperate OS? |
| [03:31:56] | sphery: | and well supported meaning the distro will install the driver automatically |
| [03:31:59] | sphery: | Myth is an app |
| [03:32:12] | Kingsley_: | I'm downloading Mythubuntu |
| [03:32:15] | sphery: | MythBuntu is a distribution (an "OS") that is built around that app |
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| [03:32:23] | Kingsley_: | Actually is just finished |
| [03:32:36] | sphery: | I.e. MythBuntu is an "OS" already configured to make MythTV work. |
| [03:32:43] | Kingsley_: | So what do I need to do to get this running? |
| [03:32:50] | Kingsley_: | I'm about to burn this ISO to CD |
| [03:32:54] | sphery: | Which kind of WinTV card is this? |
| [03:33:01] | sphery: | PVR-x50? |
| [03:33:15] | Kingsley_: | I dont have the exact model number |
| [03:33:20] | sphery: | if so, just install according to MythBuntu howto's and it should work |
| [03:33:38] | iamlindoro: | And for install help, see #ubuntu-mythtv (this channel is for myth-specific help) |
| [03:33:43] | sphery: | if not, you may have to jump through hoops that take a lot more time (time that's worth more than the $20 it would cost to get a PVR-x50) |
| [03:34:57] | sphery: | Kingsley_: Good place to start is likely: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
| [03:35:26] | Kingsley_: | So i need to first install Ubunut on my machine? |
| [03:35:42] | sphery: | no, MythBuntu is Ubuntu |
| [03:35:48] | sphery: | but that's a bad link--ignore it |
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| [03:35:53] | Kingsley_: | gah..okay.. lmao I'm picking this up now |
| [03:36:00] | sphery: | Kingsley_: http://www.mythbuntu.org/installation_manual is the one I wanted |
| [03:36:20] | Kingsley_: | yea I have the PDF already open and Im skimming it nw |
| [03:36:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | the link king comes through again... ;-) |
| [03:36:21] | Kingsley_: | now |
| [03:36:25] | sphery: | MythBuntu is just normal Ubuntu already configured for MythTV |
| [03:36:49] | sphery: | So it's /definitely/ the way to get started with MythTV when you plan to use Ubuntu. |
| [03:36:52] | Kingsley_: | Okey doke I'm getting this down now |
| [03:37:08] | Kingsley_: | I'm only 15... :P |
| [03:37:23] | sphery: | good time to get started with GNU/Linux |
| [03:37:33] | sphery: | one of these days, we'll have you writing and submitting patches |
| [03:37:42] | Kingsley_: | Ahaha sure, why not :P |
| [03:37:54] | Kingsley_: | Just need to erase this CD, and I'll burn this sucka and get this going |
| [03:38:19] | c3ntaur: | Kingsley_: They just helped me get it working and I'm gonna switch over to Linux from now so best of luck to you it's worth it |
| [03:38:20] | ** Gav8in copies "Cars" to his hard disk. ** | |
| [03:38:46] | Kingsley_: | Ahha well I don't think I'll be cutting off my Windows OS fix... :P |
| [03:38:54] | Gav8in: | Basically, the ability to copy our toddler's movies/TV shows to the HD consistantly is the WAF for our mythbox. |
| [03:39:38] | Kingsley_: | oh DVD Decrypter, i love you... 9 minutes and this is burned |
| [03:39:50] | c3ntaur: | What distro you going with? |
| [03:40:16] | Kingsley_: | Let me just google distro first... :X |
| [03:40:18] | Kingsley_: | lmao |
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| [03:40:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | c3ntaur: he's trying MythBuntu – so Ubuntu. |
| [03:40:46] | c3ntaur: | Ah ok |
| [03:41:00] | c3ntaur: | Missed that part |
| [03:41:01] | sphery: | Little tip for all you people out there... When quickly scrolling through command history to repeat that command you did a while back, make sure you /read/ the command before hitting Enter rather than just selecting the one that "looks about the right length." |
| [03:41:21] | sphery: | Fortunately, I only lost an unimportant file. |
| [03:41:30] | Kingsley_: | Oh boy.. I don't think I have a blank CD lying around here... |
| [03:41:32] | Kingsley_: | dammit |
| [03:41:47] | Gav8in: | sphery: :p |
| [03:42:16] | sphery: | Kingsley_: don't know if it works (haven't read the thread): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=568569 |
| [03:43:00] | Kingsley_: | Except all of my USB ports are shot :( |
| [03:43:18] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:43:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, BLAH BLAH QUILT BLAH BLAH |
| [03:43:34] | Kingsley_: | I had two computers, exactly the same, from my friends company that shut down... Both systems,none of the USB ports work :/ |
| [03:43:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Vengeance is mine! |
| [03:43:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but it wasn't a patch I lost! |
| [03:43:58] | iamlindoro: | too bad, you deserve it ;) |
| [03:44:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: I'll bet they work, but are disabled in windows by a software switch. |
| [03:44:13] | sphery: | but quilt manages my patches so I don't lose them |
| [03:44:17] | Kingsley_: | I was hoping they'd work when I install this.. |
| [03:44:36] | sphery: | seems: http://www.debuntu.org/book/export/html/160 is the way to export *buntu (including MythBuntu) to a USB drive |
| [03:44:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, blah blah blah |
| [03:45:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Don't make me smack you with my ohloh "7" ;) |
| [03:45:37] | sphery: | and to think, I've been wasting time writing Ubuntu to a CD then booting from that CD to use the "make usb boot drive" thing rather than doing it all from my other running GNU/Linux systems... |
| [03:45:54] | Kingsley_: | Im digging through all my gigantic CD rings for something I can use :( |
| [03:45:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ohloh, you di-nt |
| [03:45:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: try http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-employ . . . rts-how.html |
| [03:46:09] | iamlindoro: | ohless I did |
| [03:46:45] | Kingsley_: | Ohhh thats pretty sneaky Jeff... but this was a small company |
| [03:46:51] | sphery: | I'm still p4/r6 |
| [03:47:02] | sphery: | you're p3/r7 |
| [03:47:03] | Kingsley_: | My friend had no clue what he was doing with these computers at all :P |
| [03:47:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery, better get to work ;) |
| [03:47:39] | sphery: | I have been |
| [03:47:54] | sphery: | almost have the "partial-corruption-detection" patch done |
| [03:48:05] | sphery: | (actually, TTBOMK, it's done--I just have to test it) |
| [03:49:35] | Kingsley_: | Can i burn to DVD? :/ |
| [03:50:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: sure... |
| [03:50:15] | Kingsley_: | Just checking... :P |
| [03:50:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: It should boot off a DVD just fine... |
| [03:50:58] | sphery: | If you want to borrow a CD, I have about 270 of them sitting around... |
| [03:51:05] | Kingsley_: | the last DVD I popped in was Mercernaries 2, for PS2... :P |
| [03:51:09] | sphery: | I could try to PM one to you... |
| [03:51:35] | Kingsley_: | Found a blank! :D |
| [03:51:40] | kormoc: | dd if=/dev/zero of=Kingsley_ bs=1M count=700 |
| [03:52:21] | Kingsley_: | ...what? :O |
| [03:52:31] | Kingsley_: | Burning a 1x.... I'm paranoid of burn errors.. :p |
| [03:52:55] | sphery: | kormoc: that might flood-kick me... |
| [03:53:31] | Kingsley_: | If this works, and I can actually get this machine running everyone... I'll send everyone in this chat 1 penny PayPal |
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| [03:55:04] | Kingsley_: | HA, I lied anyways.. :P |
| [03:55:43] | Kingsley_: | 63% done... |
| [03:56:22] | Kingsley_: | 86% :O |
| [03:56:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | It would have been done 5 mins ago if you burned it at 16x! ;-) |
| [03:57:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | (or do you own an 'acer' dvd burner?) |
| [03:57:33] | Kingsley_: | aHAHA I burn at 1x :P |
| [03:57:37] | Kingsley_: | I'm paranoid... :( |
| [03:58:05] | Kingsley_: | 15 year old female, OCD :) Proud. |
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| [03:58:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: I haven't had to burn at 1x since about the time you were born... ;-) |
| [03:58:40] | Kingsley_: | lol :D |
| [03:58:57] | kormoc: | She's younger then clever's newest machine! |
| [03:58:58] | Kingsley_: | Well I always burn at 1x, since my old Playstation 2 modding scene... :) |
| [03:59:48] | Kingsley_: | Oh god... I just saw a commercial for a 40" OLED TV from LG :O |
| [03:59:53] | Kingsley_: | I want I want I want |
| [04:00:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: No... that was probabaly a 40" "LED TV" – which is a joke – it's an LED BACKLIT LCD TV. |
| [04:00:54] | Kingsley_: | Oh wow, I was fooled... |
| [04:01:07] | Kingsley_: | It didn't say OLED, it was an LED, I almost orgasmed right here on the couch :( |
| [04:01:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: Granted it's a better picture than a traditional flourescent backlit LCD TV, but that marketing is VERY DISHONEST – IMHO! |
| [04:01:39] | Kingsley_: | Very.. shame shame on LG |
| [04:01:55] | Kingsley_: | I was wondering how the OLEDs jumped from like 11" to 40" O_O |
| [04:01:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: Other companies are doing the same thing... :-( |
| [04:02:19] | Kingsley_: | Thats definitely not cool :( |
| [04:02:34] | Kingsley_: | DVD BURNT! :) I'm popping this sucker in... lets hope for the bestest |
| [04:03:43] | kormoc: | mmm... Paid my stupid tax for the month, here's hoping a lucky shot |
| [04:04:17] | Kingsley_: | Here goes nothing |
| [04:04:24] | Kingsley_: | About to start it up :) |
| [04:05:02] | Kingsley_: | Awesome! :) The logos already on the screen |
| [04:05:19] | Kingsley_: | Keyboard works :) This is awfully exciting |
| [04:07:04] | Kingsley_: | Should I test it live? Or just install? |
| [04:07:50] | sphery: | heh, my Dad in IL called to remind me about the Shuttle launch that was happening about 25 miles from my house... |
| [04:08:01] | sphery: | almost missed it |
| [04:08:21] | Kingsley_: | oohh the shuttle discovery? |
| [04:08:43] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:08:45] | sphery: | good launch |
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| [04:08:56] | sphery: | nice night with a bit of thin clouds to disperse the glow |
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| [04:09:19] | ** RyeBrye missed shuttle launch :( ** | |
| [04:09:23] | RyeBrye: | oh well |
| [04:09:26] | Kingsley_: | Wheres it launching out o? Kennedy space center in FL? |
| [04:09:32] | sphery: | Yeah |
| [04:09:43] | sphery: | Launch Pad 39A |
| [04:09:46] | Kingsley_: | Nicee :) |
| [04:09:48] | sphery: | KSC |
| [04:09:58] | sphery: | No longer visible from here, though |
| [04:09:59] | Kingsley_: | Uh oh... ran into my first problem here fellas |
| [04:10:01] | sphery: | too far away |
| [04:10:36] | Kingsley_: | Scrolling log of SQUASHFS error |
| [04:10:46] | Kingsley_: | and now Buffer I/O error on device sr0 |
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| [04:11:41] | sphery: | I get that sometimes with writable media and "picky" CD/DVD boot drives |
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| [04:12:09] | sphery: | Kingsley_: often if you let it sit (forever) it will load anyway (thanks to error checking and prodigious amounts of retries) |
| [04:12:28] | sphery: | if not, you may need to try a different CD/DVD drive for booting |
| [04:12:41] | Kingsley_: | sucks that I only have one DVD drive on this junker |
| [04:12:44] | sphery: | or try burning the disc again |
| [04:12:54] | sphery: | (this time using a slower write speed) to try to make it "cleaner" |
| [04:12:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: she burned it at 1x... ;-) |
| [04:13:07] | Kingsley_: | ahaha didn't here that whole convo? :P |
| [04:13:09] | sphery: | ah, 1x is probably slow enough :) |
| [04:13:18] | sphery: | guess I was watching the shuttle, then |
| [04:13:25] | Kingsley_: | I'll look through my computer piler of junk for another DVD drive if need be.. |
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| [04:13:52] | Kingsley_: | I kinda scare boys when they walk into my room, and see one corner dedicated to cables and parts piled up waist high |
| [04:13:54] | Kingsley_: | lol |
| [04:14:18] | sphery: | also, CD's tend to work more reliably, so if all else fails, you can try again when you come across some CD's |
| [04:14:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: Where were you when *I* was 15??? |
| [04:15:02] | Kingsley_: | Either in the womb, or still swimming around as a sperm |
| [04:15:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kingsley_: Well, not really, you were -10... |
| [04:15:58] | RyeBrye: | Kingsley_: I know plenty of guys who would think that is pretty hot |
| [04:16:07] | kormoc: | given how old J-e-f-f-A is, I bet you were still a piece of proten in a chicken somewhere |
| [04:16:10] | Kingsley_: | Ahaha well it depends Rye :P |
| [04:16:21] | Kingsley_: | lol kormoc |
| [04:16:59] | Kingsley_: | The only guys that find that attractive make some lame pickup line about inserting there hard drive into some hole |
| [04:17:01] | Kingsley_: | :( |
| [04:17:15] | RyeBrye: | how old are you? |
| [04:17:19] | kormoc: | meh, give it time, it's all about college/post college |
| [04:17:25] | RyeBrye: | you could probably have them arrested |
| [04:17:31] | Kingsley_: | lol rye |
| [04:17:39] | Kingsley_: | I'm 15 :) |
| [04:17:46] | RyeBrye: | Yes, get them arrested |
| [04:17:59] | Kingsley_: | Ahaha nahh its all good :P |
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| [04:18:13] | Kingsley_: | I think I'm gonna restart this PC... this Live test isn't working out soo well |
| [04:18:18] | Kingsley_: | Gonna try just installing |
| [04:21:48] | Kingsley_: | Jeez this obnoxious bouncing bar is still loading across my screen |
| [04:27:18] | Kingsley_: | :( Still getting this scrolling error....... |
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| [04:44:01] | kormoc: | Kingsley_: you should check the md5/sha sum of the downloaded iso you used to burn |
| [04:44:11] | kormoc: | if it's valid, it's likely a bad burn/bad disk |
| [04:44:33] | Kingsley_: | I can check that via the disc I just burned, right? |
| [04:44:40] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu will sit at the "bouncy bar" screen forever if it's having an issue w/ your hardware |
| [04:44:59] | Kingsley_: | Its actually gone past that, its been spitting errors for a while |
| [04:45:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: the squashfs errors point to a bad burn/disk imho |
| [04:45:06] | Kingsley_: | haven't checked on it in a while though |
| [04:45:16] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Ah, only just tuned back in |
| [04:45:21] | iamlindoro: | head in MythVideo all night |
| [04:45:25] | kormoc: | nice |
| [04:45:33] | iamlindoro: | but now SGs can file browse, so yay that |
| [04:45:38] | kormoc: | woo |
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| [04:46:33] | Kingsley_: | I just made myself a delicioussss salad |
| [04:46:38] | Kingsley_: | homemade dressing... yummy.. |
| [04:46:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: switched it to QUrl? |
| [04:47:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, File browse-- was just that four line fix--- sorry, the other file browse |
| [04:47:21] | c3ntaur: | Have a good one guys calling it a night |
| [04:47:23] | iamlindoro: | file browse mode, not file browsers |
| [04:47:28] | iamlindoro: | too many like terms |
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| [04:47:59] | Kingsley_: | oh god |
| [04:48:00] | Kingsley_: | wtf |
| [04:48:04] | Kingsley_: | 0% battery life on my laptop |
| [04:48:06] | Kingsley_: | oh noes |
| [04:51:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ah, I thought you meant file browse/r/ |
| [04:51:25] | sphery: | I was thinking you were way too productive |
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| [04:53:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That is my everest at the moment |
| [04:53:13] | iamlindoro: | I'd be very happy to have out resident MythUI guru handle it instead |
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| [05:02:32] | sphery: | I'm comparing before/after for this additional test. |
| [05:02:41] | sphery: | It takes an extra 4s to do the upgrade on my system. |
| [05:03:04] | sphery: | Meaning on other people's equally-powerful systems, it will take something like 8 minutes longer |
| [05:03:35] | sphery: | (based on the last time I made a change to the db upgrade and found it to be sufficiently fast for my tastes) |
| [05:04:47] | kormoc: | But my 286 doesn't support more then ASCII |
| [05:04:57] | kormoc: | too many bits for my processor! |
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| [05:09:18] | sphery: | heh |
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| [05:36:27] | caseyd: | hi, can someone look at my log and help me figure out what's wrong? http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f14ac7d30 |
| [05:36:28] | caseyd: | thanks =) |
| [05:38:40] | sphery: | caseyd: this is not good-> MySQL server has gone away |
| [05:38:47] | caseyd: | it says, '/storage/mythtv' does not exist! ... but it does exist? |
| [05:39:07] | sphery: | caseyd: is it a real directory? |
| [05:39:12] | caseyd: | weird this is a fresh install of mythbuntu |
| [05:39:13] | sphery: | it can /not/ be a symlink to a directory |
| [05:39:28] | sphery: | also it has to be writable by the user running mythtv |
| [05:41:02] | caseyd: | i think its a real directory, if i do /storage/mythtv in terminal it says it exists |
| [05:43:30] | sphery: | What does the following output: ls -ld /storage/mythtv |
| [05:44:47] | caseyd: | drwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev |
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| [05:57:39] | sphery: | caseyd: I'm guessing that's the problem |
| [05:58:10] | sphery: | caseyd: based on its group being plugdev, I'm assuming that's an actual mount point for some storage? |
| [05:58:22] | caseyd: | yes |
| [05:58:26] | sphery: | caseyd: you should /never/ tell myth to write to the directory that is the mount point |
| [05:58:31] | sphery: | always use a subdirectory |
| [05:58:40] | caseyd: | okay |
| [05:58:56] | sphery: | because if you don't mount the filesystem, then /storage/mythtv will /still/ exist, although it will be on the "parent" filesystem |
| [05:59:13] | sphery: | and if that parent is the root filesystem, you could easily fill up your root partition |
| [05:59:19] | sphery: | and that's A Bad Thing (TM) |
| [05:59:21] | caseyd: | ahh okay |
| [05:59:23] | caseyd: | yeah |
| [05:59:37] | sphery: | So, make a new dir: mkdir /storage/mythtv/recordings |
| [06:00:30] | sphery: | and then go to mythtv-setup and delete the directory /storage/mythtv the Default (and any other) storage group (use the D key to delete when editing the directory list) |
| [06:00:39] | sphery: | then add the directory /storage/mythtv/recordings |
| [06:01:02] | caseyd: | ahh okay, sounds easy enough Thanks =) |
| [06:01:09] | sphery: | you'll likely need to do: sudo mkdir /storage/mythtv/recordings && sudo chown mythtv:mythtv /storage/mythtv/recordings |
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| [06:06:40] | caseyd: | well, thanks so much! I will try again tomorrow |
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| [06:17:52] | justdave: | hmm, so I could swear I saved a copy of this last time I had this problem, but for the life of me, I can't find it now.... |
| [06:18:11] | justdave: | MythVideo is failing to find mkv files when I scan the video directory. |
| [06:18:35] | justdave: | I remember having to add something to /usr/share/file/magic.mime to fix this before (because it runs the "file" command on the files, and gets the wrong mime type) |
| [06:19:20] | justdave: | just upgraded the box from Ubuntu intrepid to jaunty, and of course, it wiped out that hack from before |
| [06:19:28] | justdave: | and they still haven't fixed it upstream it seems |
| [06:20:57] | sphery: | justdave: it doesn't run file |
| [06:21:08] | sphery: | justdave: go into mythvideo settings and set up a file type |
| [06:21:11] | sphery: | .mkv |
| [06:21:16] | justdave: | the scan thing in mythweb does, actually |
| [06:21:22] | justdave: | which I've got hooked on a cron job |
| [06:21:24] | sphery: | never used that |
| [06:21:33] | justdave: | it's not the one built into mythvideo actually, sorry |
| [06:21:34] | sphery: | so I can't help |
| [06:23:01] | justdave: | and yeah, just ran the scanner in mythvideo and it found it |
| [06:23:25] | justdave: | mythweb's scanner I know isn't picking it up because it runs file on it can gets "application/octet-stream" which doesn't say "video/" in it. :) |
| [06:23:35] | justdave: | s/can/and/ |
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| [06:25:35] | justdave: | but I know the fix to it was adding some stuff to /usr/share/file/magic.mime, but I can't find what it was I had to add |
| [06:25:49] | justdave: | to make it identify as video/x-matroska instead |
| [06:28:46] | sphery: | you sure you're not talking about the apache/mythweb conf? |
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| [06:29:25] | sphery: | I'm guessing adding the type to apache's conf would do what you're talking about: AddType video/x-matroska .mkv |
| [06:29:48] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure MythWeb's code only looks at file extensions |
| [06:30:04] | justdave: | foreach ($files as $file) { |
| [06:30:04] | justdave: | if ( in_array(strtolower(pathinfo($file, PATHINFO_EXTENSION)), $Known_Exts) === FALSE |
| [06:30:07] | justdave: | && strpos(`file -ib "$file"`, 'video') === FALSE ) |
| [06:30:10] | justdave: | continue; |
| [06:30:11] | justdave: | that looks like it's hitting the file command to me |
| [06:31:10] | kormoc: | don't paste in here |
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| [06:31:26] | justdave: | that's about the limit of what I'd paste... more than 4 lines goes to pastebin :) |
| [06:31:37] | kormoc: | that said, we could remove the file check completely |
| [06:31:41] | sphery: | that looks like it's saying, "If I don't recognize the extension, run file" |
| [06:32:05] | kormoc: | but yeah, it's a or |
| [06:32:07] | sphery: | so, again, if you have the extension defined for the host in question |
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| [06:32:23] | justdave: | mkv is in the extensions list though in MythVideo |
| [06:32:25] | sphery: | does it use the MythWeb host's hostname |
| [06:32:48] | justdave: | hmm, good question |
| [06:33:03] | sphery: | guess it doesn't matter... videotypes is global |
| [06:33:38] | sphery: | justdave: do you have it set to ignore the mkv extension? |
| [06:33:48] | sphery: | i.e. it's defined but with the ignore checkbox checked |
| [06:34:00] | justdave: | well, considering I just went to the video manager from the GUI and it found the file, probably not |
| [06:34:09] | sphery: | and I don't know if it's case-sensivite, eithyer |
| [06:34:27] | justdave: | I'm looking for it right now to doublecheck |
| [06:34:59] | sphery: | in the DB is it using caps? |
| [06:35:15] | sphery: | looks like MW is lowercasing the found file extension, but not modifying the extension from teh DB |
| [06:38:15] | justdave: | hmm, it's actually not in videotypes |
| [06:38:20] | justdave: | I know I added it before... |
| [06:38:44] | justdave: | something looped on it, iso, img, and VIDEO_T are repeated about 6 times |
| [06:39:00] | kormoc: | Ticket closed: invalid |
| [06:39:02] | justdave: | guess I need to clean that up again |
| [06:39:04] | justdave: | heh |
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| [06:40:21] | sphery: | we should really create a UI for editing that DB table so people don't accidentally put garbage in it |
| [06:43:35] | mkrufky-gone: | go to bed! |
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| [06:43:53] | mkrufky: | :-P |
| [06:44:11] | sphery: | I really should |
| [06:44:25] | sphery: | Just winding down after too much coding |
| [06:44:31] | mkrufky: | yeah i just got home... i wouldnt expect the ppl i chat with in the daytime to still be awake here |
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| [06:45:04] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:45:37] | mkrufky: | anyway, im gonna take my own advice ;-) ... good night |
| [06:45:49] | sphery: | g'night |
| [06:46:36] | justdave: | there is a UI for it isn't there? I just used it to nuke all the dupes and add mkv, avi, flv, mp4, and m4v back in |
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| [06:46:56] | justdave: | video settings > file types |
| [06:47:00] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:47:07] | sphery: | was joking |
| [06:47:24] | sphery: | we may need more checking, though |
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| [06:51:16] | justdave: | meh, messes of stuff in my auto-scan script got messed up by this upgrade |
| [06:52:20] | justdave: | my cron job hit's mythweb's scan.php via wget, and then goes through the database looking for files that are missing cover images and generates them |
| [06:52:44] | justdave: | filling in a few other details in the database like the viewing time along the way |
| [06:52:59] | justdave: | looks like the output it scrapes from mplayer to grab some of those stats changed :) |
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| [06:55:40] | jst_home: | justdave: hey there, are you the justdave I think you are? |
| [06:56:02] | justdave: | depends who you think I am. :) |
| [06:56:36] | justdave: | if you're the jst I would recognize you probably know me from mozilla |
| [06:56:52] | jst_home: | justdave: then yeah, that's who I thought you were :) |
| [06:56:58] | jst_home: | justdave: fancy meeting you here :) |
| [06:58:06] | jst_home: | justdave: how long have you been playing around with mythtv? |
| [06:59:05] | justdave: | hmm, few years at least |
| [06:59:20] | jst_home: | justdave: cool, I'm a total newbie here |
| [07:00:29] | jst_home: | justdave: got interested once the new vdpau support hit the trunk, picked up some nifty hardware etc and been playing with that for some time now, works pretty nicely... |
| [07:01:10] | justdave: | yeah, I've been using the vdpau .21 backports (avernard) |
| [07:01:20] | jst_home: | cool |
| [07:01:45] | jst_home: | I've got a HD-PVR I'm playing with too, which is what forced me onto the trunk at the time |
| [07:02:41] | jst_home: | waiting for a USB to serial adapter to get channel changes going here (DirecTV STB) |
| [07:03:14] | justdave: | keep thinking about that, haven't picked up one yet |
| [07:03:29] | justdave: | mainly because you need trunk to use it right now and I'm not quite that adventurous yet |
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| [07:03:54] | justdave: | got computer-illiterate family that has to still be able to use the thing, can't have it breaking on them :) |
| [07:03:57] | jst_home: | justdave: the HD-PVR works *really* nicely with the trunk from my testing so far |
| [07:04:11] | jst_home: | justdave: yeah, makes sense :) |
| [07:04:36] | jst_home: | justdave: I hear an official .22 is not too far away now... |
| [07:06:45] | justdave: | aha, here's my mplayer problem.. |
| [07:06:48] | justdave: | output format didn't change |
| [07:06:58] | justdave: | it's trying to run it on appleshare metadata files |
| [07:07:18] | justdave: | I remember having to hack the mythweb scan thing to skip those... |
| [07:07:29] | justdave: | and I *thought* that patch got upstream, too |
| [07:07:37] | justdave: | guess the package in Ubuntu didn't pick it up yet |
| [07:09:57] | justdave: | yep, 6431 |
| [07:10:43] | ** justdave snags the patch off the bug and applies it ** | |
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| [07:11:55] | justdave: | hmm, committed to .21-fixes 5 months ago. |
| [07:12:13] | ** justdave could swear the packages in avernard were auto-built on commits ** | |
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| [07:13:41] | justdave: | I'm spelling it wrong, it's avenard :) |
| [07:14:55] | justdave: | latest mythweb build is 20752 |
| [07:15:16] | justdave: | this patch went in as 20391 |
| [07:15:22] | justdave: | so it should have had it... |
| [07:16:10] | justdave: | installed: 19556 |
| [07:16:11] | justdave: | doh |
| [07:16:23] | justdave: | wonder why apt-get isn't finding it... |
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| [07:19:07] | justdave: | bah, this is what I get for upgrading the OS on more than one box at a time |
| [07:19:15] | justdave: | think I've done something and only did it to one of them |
| [07:19:28] | justdave: | third-party repos of course get disabled when you upgrade :) |
| [07:19:37] | justdave: | didn't get re-enabled on this one |
| [07:23:06] | ** justdave spends way too much time talking to himself ;) ** | |
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| [08:05:54] | Er1K: | I've been struggling with my upgrade from .21 to .22 (trunk 21556). My major remaining problem is that a lot of my mpeg2ts material (whether recordings or live) make anything in myth that tries to read them segfault |
| [08:07:20] | Er1K: | with "-v all", the final log entry is always "mpegts_read_header: TS packet size = 188" ...seem to get the same thing from the frontend, as well as mythtranscode, etc. |
| [08:08:09] | laga: | Er1K: report a bug. |
| [08:08:14] | Er1K: | Same input file, identical command line, works dandy in .21 |
| [08:08:21] | laga: | and include a backtrace |
| [08:10:29] | Er1K: | what sort of backtrace? ltrace/strace output? |
| [08:15:54] | ** Dibblah wonders if anyone else wants a !backtrace, !-users, etc bot. ** | |
| [08:16:00] | kormoc: | no, a backtrace, made with GDB, as is instructed in the debugging wiki page |
| [08:16:10] | kormoc: | Dibblah++ |
| [08:16:36] | Dibblah: | I know I always have to look up the pages. |
| [08:21:06] | justdave: | Er1K: I remember reading something about that earlier tonight... |
| [08:22:08] | Dibblah: | Er1K: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [08:22:12] | justdave: | http://www.avenard.org/media/Ubuntu_Repositor . . . _MythTV.html |
| [08:25:31] | Er1K: | justdave: My logs of this channel were the first thing I checked (well after google, common sense, alcohol, and profanity all failed). You are referring to "<GreyFoxx> and it's iffy playing pvr card recordings unless I rebuild them to mpegts containers... other than that it works great" ? |
| [08:26:11] | justdave: | no, I was refering to the website I just linked |
| [08:26:19] | justdave: | but I'm not sure if that's actually the same thing now that I'm re-reading it |
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| [08:27:37] | Dibblah: | Er1K: A backtrace is pretty much the only way to get help on this. |
| [08:29:16] | jya: | justdave: if you're referring to the segfault described on that entry, it's about the use of 0.21 themes with trunk... You wouldn't even get to select the file to play. |
| [08:29:44] | Er1K: | Understood, Dibblah, I was hoping for an answer that did not involve making a debug build and falling into gdb....On the plus side, if I go that route, the chances that my bug report will include a rudimentary patch are quite high :) |
| [08:29:45] | justdave: | jya: yeah, that's what I realized after I linked it |
| [08:30:07] | justdave: | so ignore me, I'm not being any help right now :) |
| [08:30:41] | jya: | something to be added BTW: check if the themes is of the old type, and ignore it if it is, rather than segfaulting |
| [08:33:06] | Er1K: | hehe, jya, I already ran into it getting hung up on old themes and seriously disliking my mods to the .21 menu xml files....those were minor... |
| [08:33:58] | jya: | yes, pretty much, any themes still installed from a 0.21 install will make mythtv segfault if selected... |
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| [09:04:25] | Er1K: | Anyone here have any "real world before and after" anecdotes regarding vdpau, especially wrt to playback of 720p/1080i/1080p h264 content? Big difference? Overrated? Underrated? Problematic? |
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| [09:30:14] | AndyCap: | Er1K: E: All of the above? :-P |
| [09:32:10] | AndyCap: | Er1K: and sorry, I can't say I have any first hand experience with it. But from lurking here I've seen people talk about lowered cpu usage, but also, bugs, crashes etc. :) It does sound like it is getting somewhere useful though. |
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| [09:46:02] | Er1K: | :) Andy. That's been kind of my take, too, hence the "real world anecdotes" clause. VDPAU cards are available in "classic" PCI flavor, which after getting burned by ATI's PciE<>AGP bridge chip debacle, and having odd hardware scattered about the family compound... |
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| [10:03:39] | Er1K: | I've got a server machine (lacking pci-e-x16 slots) that does double duty driving an hdlcd in my bedroom and a distant tv, Mr. 12yo's box has the onboard video disabled and no agp/pci-e slots so he can at least have something with s-video out |
| [10:09:43] | Er1K: | If they do the job, great, that's a cheap upgrade, and when the machines they are put in are eventually retired, stack 'em up |
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| [10:34:19] | messerting: | Hm, I can't manage to compile mythmusic from trunk. Anyone knows the magic "yum install ..." for Fedora 11? |
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| [10:35:31] | messerting: | I've used " yum install libvorbis-devel taglib-devel flac-devel libcdaudio-devel lame-devel cdparanoia-devel" but ./configure says "MythMusic requires vorbis." etc |
| [10:36:37] | _ben: | is there a libvorbis you're missing? |
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| [10:37:05] | galorin: | I'm looking to do a hibernating backend on a mythbuntu install, only docs I can find relate to the 0.1 build and nothing ubuntu specific. Are there any howtos for this? |
| [10:38:39] | messerting: | _ben: libvorbis-1.2.0–8.fc11.x86_64 is in place, but maybe configure looks in /usr/local/ instead of /usr/. hm |
| [10:39:15] | _ben: | mm, might be worth seeing if there's some --look-here-flag to pass to configure? |
| [10:39:19] | messerting: | can't seem to understand how to use "--libdir-name=LIBNAME"... |
| [10:43:35] | messerting: | so, I've got /usr/lib64/libvorbis.so and need configure to look there |
| [10:43:47] | messerting: | but I don't want to install stuff there... |
| [10:44:57] | messerting: | aha!: ./configure --libdir-name=lib64 |
| [10:45:17] | messerting: | seems to do the trick – sorry for the newbie noise :) |
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| [12:55:34] | jduggan: | anyone know anything about the k-world dvb-s 100 from maplin, its in teh bargain bucket there for £19.99 but thought id check i can use it before i grabbed it |
| [12:55:52] | jduggan: | google is giving me mixed results, more importantly, linuxtv.org doesnt list it |
| [12:56:48] | jduggan: | which isnt a good sign :) |
| [13:00:19] | _ben: | i'd steer clear personally |
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| [13:01:52] | jduggan: | yea, unless anyone pipes up shortly and says it can work, i think i'll give it a miss |
| [13:02:19] | jduggan: | its a shame, my quad lnb only has a single feed from it, i dont want to pay stupid money for a dvb-s card |
| [13:02:26] | jduggan: | and theyre not coming up on ebay at the moment |
| [13:05:18] | laga: | dvb-s cards are cheap? |
| [13:05:59] | jduggan: | they are? :) |
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| [13:06:26] | jduggan: | i paid £15 for my current nova-s, thats cheap.... new theyre £50-£70 |
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| [13:08:33] | asdasdasd: | heil |
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| [13:10:09] | asdasdasd: | i'm having an issue with my mythtv frontend, it will not show my tv shows, it connects to the backend |
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| [13:10:37] | gbee: | jduggan: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2009-June/032214.html |
| [13:10:42] | gbee: | so it's working for someone |
| [13:11:27] | asdasdasd: | it's like i don't have rights ( to access to the DTV cards) |
| [13:11:57] | stoffel: | c++ newbie alert: can someone tell me why http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1547111 doesn't compile? I'm trying to enable translations of the Keybinding descriptions |
| [13:13:03] | gbee: | jduggan: but then again they change the chipsets on some of these cards all the time, so it's still a small gamble |
| [13:14:03] | laga: | stoffel: might help if you posted the error message |
| [13:14:26] | gbee: | stoffel: use QObject::tr("Page Up", "mythcontrols") instead |
| [13:15:16] | gbee: | then again, the REG_KEY macro might assume a char string, not a QString |
| [13:15:31] | gbee: | in which case the translation should be done in the macro instead |
| [13:16:06] | jduggan: | gbee: i think its best if i steer clear :) |
| [13:16:31] | mzb: | is there any real difference between HDMI vs DVI-I/D on a graphics card? |
| [13:16:37] | gbee: | though that won't work ... what am I thinking, translation has to be explicit |
| [13:16:55] | ** mzb is wondering about getting a cheap 9400GT ** | |
| [13:17:09] | gbee: | mzb: HDMI can carry audio, so less cables, neater |
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| [13:17:37] | gbee: | and not all TVs have DVI-D, but they should all have HDMI |
| [13:17:38] | mzb: | hmm .. cables are already concealed so that's not really an issue |
| [13:18:05] | gbee: | you don't want analogue if you can avoid it |
| [13:18:08] | mzb: | actually the audio need to (currently) exit the wall in a different position for the amp |
| [13:18:37] | mzb: | currently using an LCD monitor, but planning on a big screen one day |
| [13:19:18] | mzb: | got computer DVI->HDMI wall panel ... then HDMI->DVI for LCD |
| [13:19:33] | gbee: | stoffel: the problem with translating the key descriptions is that they are inserted into the database, potentially before you are able to change the language, so it's a larger problem than simply translating those strings in the code |
| [13:19:55] | mzb: | digital audio is a long way away ;) |
| [13:20:44] | gbee: | stoffel: if you want to file a ticket we can look at doing it differently, but for 0.22 I don't think there is going to be a fix :/ |
| [13:21:10] | janneg: | there's no difference between DVI-D/HDMI electrically with the exception of the connectors |
| [13:21:20] | mzb: | k, thanks |
| [13:21:51] | mzb: | I'll stick with my current method then (of slow upgrades;) |
| [13:22:01] | gbee: | and the additional wires to carry audio/data |
| [13:22:27] | gbee: | stoffel: as it stands those strings are untranslatable |
| [13:22:29] | stoffel: | gbee: ok, will do that |
| [13:22:59] | janneg: | gbee: there are no additional wires in HDMI |
| [13:23:14] | mzb: | yep ... but can't fit amp (or speakers) on the mantel, so unless/until I can afford/find 80+W/ch speakers with inbuilt amp I'll not need HDMI |
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| [13:23:37] | stoffel: | gbee: btw ;) the error is: mythcontrols.cpp:412: error: no matching function for call to ‘MythControls::tr(QString&) |
| [13:23:47] | mzb: | (speakers I've got are the size of small bar fridges;) |
| [13:23:55] | janneg: | audio is transmitted over data wires already in DVI-D |
| [13:24:22] | asdasdasd: | if one can't tune his backend from another machine which has the frontend, what does that mean? |
| [13:24:50] | stoffel: | gbee: what about using this: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtglobal.html#QT_TR_NOOP or QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP? |
| [13:24:50] | mzb: | ssh -X |
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| [13:25:28] | gbee: | stoffel: yeah, just looked at the QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP macro, so that might actually work |
| [13:26:24] | gbee: | stoffel: try tr(desc.data().toAscii()) |
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| [13:26:50] | mzb: | so this should be ok for a cheap graphics card? : ASUS EN9400GT-DI-512M |
| [13:27:20] | gbee: | sorry, wrong way around, tr(desc.toAscii().data()) |
| [13:27:35] | gbee: | sorry, wrong way around, tr(desc.toAscii().constData()) |
| [13:27:38] | gbee: | even better |
| [13:27:53] | mzb: | not sure about the DVI-I, though |
| [13:29:13] | mzb: | advantages: HDMI HDCP DVI-I(?) VGA, low-profile (w/o VGA) |
| [13:29:22] | stoffel: | gbee: it compiles :), i'll see if it's also working, thx so far |
| [13:30:30] | gbee: | stoffel: first I'd seen of QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP :) |
| [13:32:26] | stoffel: | gbee: it's working! and is my assumption correct that the description inserted into the db will still be in english? |
| [13:32:58] | gbee: | correct |
| [13:33:15] | gbee: | thanks for making me aware of QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP :) |
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| [13:33:56] | stoffel: | gbee: good, so can i go ahead and submit a patch using QT_TRANSLATE_NOOP? |
| [13:34:04] | gbee: | please :) |
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| [13:42:43] | caseyd: | 2 questions =) .. 1) Is there a way for me to adjust brightness or contrast.. the video seems a bit washed out. 2) Can I adjust the sensitivity of my remote, it acts like I pushed a button twice sometimes when I only pushed it once |
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| [13:48:15] | stoffel: | gbee: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1547139 adds these #defines to the .ts files but the translation is not shown. any idea? |
| [13:49:42] | stoffel: | gbee and please tell me if i shouldn't bother you |
| [13:55:04] | Dibblah: | Because they're #defines? |
| [13:55:28] | Dibblah: | You should be doing this at the display end, not the code end, if I understand the issue. |
| [13:57:23] | Dibblah: | I really don't see the reason for those #defines... |
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| [14:13:37] | gbee: | those shouldn't be defines |
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| [15:12:00] | brad2: | morning guys |
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| [15:48:18] | jams: | sphery- looks like hannu is going to try to get oss 5.0 back in the kernel. |
| [15:48:32] | jams: | or so says his blog |
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| [15:56:15] | jblack: | this was a bad year for movies |
| [15:56:56] | Dibblah: | jblack: But you had Transformers 2!? |
| [15:57:06] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait – You wanted good movies. |
| [15:58:01] | jblack: | bad year for good movies, good year for bad movies. :P |
| [15:59:08] | jblack: | I don't even think there's anything worth infringing. :0 |
| [15:59:46] | jduggan: | that inglorious basterds looks good |
| [16:00:45] | jblack: | Yeah, I might go to the theater for that one. |
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| [16:12:42] | mzb: | I use fvwm2 and I'm just exploring DPMS ... seems to work as advertised (new fangled trickery that it is;). Is there a *nice* (aka recommended) method of doing a screen saver? |
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| [16:14:11] | mzb: | (planning on trying electricsheep;) |
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| [16:15:40] | mzb: | ps: what's the difference between StandbyTime, SuspendTime and OffTime ... the names seem obvious but I can't tell the difference |
| [16:15:52] | mzb: | (standby is where it's at) |
| [16:20:32] | mindoms: | hi. im trying to remove some dvb-usb-* module, but it says it is in use. any idea what that nbumber means? |
| [16:20:33] | mindoms: | lsmod | grep dvb |
| [16:20:33] | mindoms: | dvb_usb_af9005 32660 4294967295 |
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| [16:22:53] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: About? |
| [16:23:21] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: Any reason why icons in a gallery view would prefer fanart to coverart? |
| [16:23:32] | mindoms: | funny. module size says 2^32 – 1 ... |
| [16:24:44] | clever: | mindoms: the 2nd number is the number of things using it |
| [16:25:11] | clever: | so its in use by 32k things.... |
| [16:25:16] | clever: | or something went horidly wrong |
| [16:25:31] | mindoms: | hm. seems so ... |
| [16:26:03] | clever: | damnit |
| [16:26:09] | clever: | 32kb free on my mythconverg drive again |
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| [16:26:18] | mindoms: | but after that number there should be the name of the module that uses ist. shouldnt it? |
| [16:26:41] | clever: | not always |
| [16:26:47] | clever: | the module can also be in use thru file handles |
| [16:26:51] | clever: | like /dev/video0 |
| [16:27:01] | clever: | or mounts, like /proc/fs/nfs/ |
| [16:27:25] | clever: | those dont show up in lsmod, and you need to know what the module does to know where to look |
| [16:27:28] | mindoms: | well. its a dvb stick. so maybe its the /dev/dvb/adapter0/* stuff... |
| [16:27:43] | clever: | then check lsmod to see if any of those files are open |
| [16:27:54] | clever: | though with massive numbers like that, its more likely that it crashed |
| [16:29:20] | mindoms: | hm. is there a way to force removing the module? modprobe -r $name only comes up with "in use" |
| [16:29:47] | clever: | if you compiled forced module unloading into the kernel, then you can use it |
| [16:30:06] | clever: | but it may cause the system to crash |
| [16:30:12] | mindoms: | aha |
| [16:32:51] | mindoms: | is it sane to have mythbackend stopped before suspend to ram and resume it afterwards? |
| [16:33:01] | clever: | it cant hurt |
| [16:33:02] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [16:33:15] | clever: | depends on various things id think |
| [16:33:24] | Dibblah: | I use it with no issues, using plain QT. |
| [16:33:37] | Dibblah: | It's possible that there are some issues around the GL renderer. |
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| [16:33:47] | clever: | but the backend shouldnt be using gl |
| [16:33:50] | Dibblah: | As in suspend / resume with the FE running. |
| [16:33:59] | Dibblah: | Uhm... Duh. Sorry :( |
| [16:34:02] | clever: | and yet, if i put the wrong libGL.so, the backend wont even start |
| [16:34:11] | plb_: | Anyone using the WinTV HVR 1950? |
| [16:34:19] | Dibblah: | Yes, the backend ISTR is linked to GL. |
| [16:34:43] | clever: | Dibblah: and sadly, the libGL from vdpau, will exit(-1) if the CPU lacks sse |
| [16:34:54] | clever: | even if mythbackend never tries to use gl |
| [16:35:15] | mindoms: | problem is, i need to remove the dvb_usb_af9005 module for suspend. and cant remove it when mythbackend is using it... |
| [16:35:31] | clever: | ahhh:) |
| [16:35:39] | clever: | so your editing the scripts in /etc/acpi/? |
| [16:36:15] | mindoms: | well. i gues im going to |
| [16:36:22] | plb_: | I'm considering purchasing the WinTV HVR 1950 which is supposed to work with Linux but I'm curious if I can get both analog cable and OTA HDTV to work via antenna? |
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| [16:37:23] | clever: | mindoms: try black listing the module and stoping the backend from comming on at reboot, then reboot |
| [16:37:37] | clever: | mindoms: then manualy load the module, and lsmod right away to see if its still 'crashed' |
| [16:39:18] | brad2: | hey guys, quick linux question for you all. Have you ever had a situation where the bootup stops just after detecting the usb devices? It doesn't freeze.. i.e. i can still type random stuff and do ctrl-alt-delete, but it just won't continue booting.. i don't see any error messages |
| [16:39:20] | brad2: | very odd |
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| [16:44:09] | mindoms: | clever: thanks ill look at that tomorrow |
| [16:44:29] | CoreDump|home: | brad2: my notebook is doing that as well. I believe it is a udev problem |
| [16:44:51] | clever: | CoreDump|home: yeah, that could easily be a userspace level problem |
| [16:45:09] | clever: | a while ago, i had trouble with my email server failing on bootup, because loopback wasnt setup right yet |
| [16:45:14] | CoreDump|home: | it eventually continues the boot process tho |
| [16:45:20] | brad2: | coredump: wow i can't believe someone is having the same prob.. i googled all over the place and didn't see anything |
| [16:45:27] | brad2: | when you say eventually? How long are we talking? |
| [16:45:31] | clever: | in my case, it never continued |
| [16:45:35] | brad2: | 5 mins? 1 hour? ;) |
| [16:45:41] | CoreDump|home: | brad2: 4 or 5 mins |
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| [16:45:54] | clever: | i had to use a sysrq to kill all processes, then finish the bootup by hand |
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| [16:46:11] | brad2: | hmm i've left mine for 20mins-ish and nothing |
| [16:46:12] | CoreDump|home: | clever: heh, my root-server ran out of "random". That was a bitch to diagnose |
| [16:46:25] | brad2: | clever: how did you do that? |
| [16:46:44] | clever: | brad2: alt+printscreen+k, to -9 every process in the system |
| [16:46:54] | clever: | then init spawns the normal terminals at tty1 thru 6 |
| [16:47:11] | clever: | but its so early in the bootup process, that / is still readonly, and none of the standard stuff is running |
| [16:47:14] | CoreDump|home: | you could boot with init=/bin/sh for the same effect |
| [16:47:34] | clever: | CoreDump|home: yeah, but i kept forgeting it, because i reboot every 8 months:P |
| [16:47:56] | CoreDump|home: | hehe, I know exactly what you mean |
| [16:48:00] | clever: | i installed a call to strace to track down exactly what it was |
| [16:48:12] | clever: | and during the last power outage, i discover that the strace is still there:P |
| [16:48:54] | clever: | here it is i think, ifup --allow auto lo 2>&1 ; then |
| [16:49:08] | clever: | that line froze up |
| [16:49:24] | CoreDump|home: | brad2: remove all USB devices, remove the USB cabled leading to you front USB ports on the pc case, etc |
| [16:49:41] | CoreDump|home: | clever: ouch |
| [16:49:52] | brad2: | core: thanks for the tip, will try that now |
| [16:49:59] | brad2: | i tried removing the usb devices, but didn't think about the case |
| [16:50:30] | CoreDump|home: | brad2: my otherwise very high-quality coolermaster has wacky front USB ports. |
| [16:50:39] | clever: | CoreDump|home: ahh, i remember now, in the ifup scripts for the interfaces, was one for the smtp server |
| [16:50:45] | clever: | i think it was trying to dns its name, before eth0 was up |
| [16:53:35] | CoreDump|home: | initscript hackers bringing the boot-process to a halt for *anything* should be shot |
| [16:55:06] | brad2: | hmmmm, same thing |
| [16:55:13] | brad2: | maybe it's just faster to reinstall |
| [16:55:14] | brad2: | hhaha |
| [16:56:28] | CoreDump|home: | brad2: might be h/w. Tried booting knoppix? |
| [16:56:56] | brad2: | i didn't try knoppix, but i have booted into fedora's rescue mode |
| [16:57:03] | brad2: | and the drives/hardware seems ok |
| [16:57:14] | brad2: | i don't know, i musta muxxed something up |
| [16:57:15] | brad2: | haha |
| [16:57:21] | CoreDump|home: | oh well =) |
| [16:57:32] | brad2: | thanks for the advice though |
| [16:57:34] | brad2: | it's appreciated |
| [16:57:46] | CoreDump|home: | you're welcome |
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| [17:03:43] | sphery: | jams: nice... That's probably the only way it will get major acceptance in the Linux world. BTW, thanks again for pointing out the taint mode thing for backups--allowed me to do 2 things to make backups more reliable. |
| [17:04:02] | jams: | glad to hear it |
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| [17:20:24] | purefusion: | I just finished building an HTPC and am looking for a good setup for tv capturing... only I don't have any pci slots available on my box, nor an IR receiver |
| [17:20:53] | purefusion: | it also has to support analog cable, otherwise I'd have picked up a HDhomerun |
| [17:21:51] | purefusion: | a lot of people say they have problems with USB based tuners |
| [17:22:29] | purefusion: | are there any other good wifi/ethernet tv capture devices like the HDHR, that support analog signals? |
| [17:22:38] | jams: | nope |
| [17:23:21] | purefusion: | hmmm, well my other thought was to setup my current box, which has a tv card, to be used as an intermediary |
| [17:23:52] | purefusion: | but I'd need to get it setup to support tivo functions on the htpc |
| [17:24:29] | purefusion: | how can that be done? |
| [17:25:00] | purefusion: | and how would it affect performance on my desktop machine? |
| [17:25:19] | jams: | mythtv is divided into two parts, mythbackend (which does all the recording) mythfrontend (which does the playback) |
| [17:25:49] | purefusion: | ah, so one can run on one machine, and the other on another? |
| [17:25:50] | jams: | you can run mythbackend on the machine with the tuner cards |
| [17:25:55] | jams: | correct |
| [17:25:59] | purefusion: | cool |
| [17:26:02] | jams: | what card do you have? |
| [17:26:08] | purefusion: | mmm, lemme check |
| [17:27:33] | purefusion: | Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1800 |
| [17:27:49] | purefusion: | ATSC/QAM |
| [17:28:20] | purefusion: | I know QAM is digital only, not sure about ATSC... but I believe it's analog, right? |
| [17:28:39] | jams: | ATSC is digitial for OTA or broadcast |
| [17:28:56] | purefusion: | oh, hmmm |
| [17:30:46] | purefusion: | Amazon say it does support NTSC too then |
| [17:30:59] | purefusion: | and FM, haha |
| [17:33:20] | sphery: | note that the HVR-1800's analog side does /not/ work in Myth |
| [17:33:20] | purefusion: | any suggestions for IR receiving? Is a USB receiver about my only option? |
| [17:33:37] | sphery: | if you get the 1800 you'll have to wait until they fix the drivers before using the analog side |
| [17:33:39] | purefusion: | sphery, now you break the sad news |
| [17:33:50] | sphery: | the HVR-1600 works now with both the digital /and/ the analog side |
| [17:34:09] | purefusion: | hmmm, is it only a matter of time? or somewhat hopeless? |
| [17:34:10] | sphery: | and, really, Myth has no real support for use of the FM |
| [17:34:19] | purefusion: | heh, yeah I figured |
| [17:34:24] | sphery: | it's a matter of time, but there's /no/ way to know how much time |
| [17:34:30] | sphery: | i.e. you need patience |
| [17:34:42] | sphery: | the 1600 is a much better choice for today |
| [17:35:35] | sphery: | as for the lack of FM support, since you're likely in the US (since you're using ATSC), FM radio is garbage, anyway, so it's no loss :) |
| [17:35:51] | sphery: | Internet radio is /much/ better on a Myth box, anyway |
| [17:36:23] | sphery: | (assuming you don't have bandwidth limits or whatever) |
| [17:36:25] | purefusion: | heh, right |
| [17:36:42] | purefusion: | I have a 12Mbit connection, no prob |
| [17:37:29] | purefusion: | also got wireless n, which the htpc supports (one of the reason I got the mobo... zotac ion) so we can stream netflix as well |
| [17:37:32] | sphery: | yeah, some have limited bandwidth or capped bandwidth, so it wouldn't be ideal for them |
| [17:37:45] | purefusion: | is there a netflix plugin for myth? |
| [17:37:52] | sphery: | also, netflix streaming will /never/ work with Myth |
| [17:38:01] | purefusion: | haha, ok then :) |
| [17:38:02] | sphery: | because they use proprietary DRM'ed access |
| [17:38:08] | purefusion: | makes sense |
| [17:38:21] | purefusion: | I've seen other plugins though, like for WMC |
| [17:38:25] | sphery: | You'll need to get a Roku player or whatever and use that, instead |
| [17:38:42] | purefusion: | nah |
| [17:38:51] | purefusion: | I'll figure something out |
| [17:38:59] | purefusion: | not buying a roku though |
| [17:39:13] | sphery: | Yes, WMC is on a "supported OS", by which I mean an operating system that was designed with all sorts of protected-path support to prevent all those thieves out there from accessing the data they pay for |
| [17:39:34] | sphery: | I.e. WMC has more DRM than netflix needs, so not a problem to support it |
| [17:39:50] | purefusion: | people still get past it I hear, though they might update the concept easily |
| [17:40:26] | sphery: | well, we don't talk about ways around Terms of Service or legal constraints in here, so if you really want to break your service agreement, you'll have to find somewhere else to learn about how |
| [17:40:31] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:40:59] | purefusion: | no no, I'm just saying that DRM still doesn't stop people |
| [17:41:08] | sphery: | that's true |
| [17:41:14] | purefusion: | I don't care to mess with that though, myself |
| [17:41:26] | purefusion: | no reason to... when I can watch it again any time, lol |
| [17:41:27] | sphery: | the only DRM that can ever work is legal-based and only works on some people |
| [17:41:40] | sphery: | (i.e. no technical protections can every truly stop people from accessing data) |
| [17:42:13] | sphery: | the best bet, though, is a $50-$100 Roku box or other STB-player for the netflix streams |
| [17:42:23] | sphery: | (best bet for "integration" into Myth) |
| [17:42:46] | purefusion: | my only debate now is whether ubuntu supports enough for me to use it vs windows (though mainly netflix streaming, which I haven't tested yet) |
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| [17:43:23] | purefusion: | oh, you mean to record off the Roku? yeah that's not necessary |
| [17:43:31] | purefusion: | I just want to be able to watch them |
| [17:43:43] | sphery: | No, I mean to watch off the Roku |
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| [17:44:27] | purefusion: | well I'm fine with opening a browser if I have to, though a remote-compatible setup is preferred |
| [17:44:28] | sphery: | I.e. there is no legal way to decode/access the video stream from "vanilla" GNU/Linux systems (only "packaged" systems like the Roku) |
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| [17:45:03] | sphery: | and, yeah, the browser might work--assuming they don't use some Windows-only garbage, like Activex, for DRM |
| [17:45:33] | purefusion: | right, and as far as I recall it didn't work on OSX initially, which leaves me leary about linux |
| [17:45:53] | purefusion: | guess I'll have to check that though to be sure |
| [17:46:01] | sphery: | Looks like others are using Wine |
| [17:46:06] | purefusion: | ah |
| [17:46:13] | sphery: | i.e. pretending to be windows |
| [17:46:24] | purefusion: | hehe, yeah that's always an option |
| [17:46:27] | sphery: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=620640 |
| [17:47:09] | sphery: | er, maybe, "trying to use wine" |
| [17:47:23] | sphery: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4308136 |
| [17:47:38] | sphery: | so, guess you'd just have to boot into windows |
| [17:47:44] | sphery: | dual-boot system for the frontend |
| [17:47:54] | sphery: | or get a Roku or XBox 360 or ... |
| [17:49:36] | purefusion: | have you seen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythFlix ? |
| [17:49:45] | purefusion: | oh, nevermind |
| [17:49:56] | purefusion: | account management only |
| [17:50:20] | kormoc: | Is there anything sphery hasn't seen or memorized? |
| [17:50:32] | purefusion: | haha |
| [17:52:03] | purefusion: | "Windows Media Center has been closed because it does not support running in portrait mode. You must restore landscape mode in order to use Windows Media Center." |
| [17:52:07] | purefusion: | hilarious |
| [17:52:34] | purefusion: | I run my desktop monitor vertically, it's great |
| [17:52:48] | sphery: | kormoc: heh... not memorized--just keep google close at hand |
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| [17:56:57] | purefusion: | can mythtv grab video files from other places, like itunes subscribed podcasts and such? |
| [17:57:25] | purefusion: | or would I need to sync those files to a myth repository? |
| [17:57:32] | AndyCap: | purefusion: they can't even letterbox it? that's pretty fail. :) |
| [17:57:50] | kormoc: | purefusion: you'll need to setup myth to scan and have access to the files |
| [17:57:53] | AndyCap: | purefusion: can you mount that as a share on the mythbox? |
| [17:58:28] | purefusion: | kormoc, would that be done with the backend, I presume? |
| [17:58:47] | AndyCap: | or if you're feeling really kinky, perhaps use some FUSE DAAP perversion. :) |
| [17:59:00] | kormoc: | no, they'd go in as mythvideo and thus be on the frontend |
| [17:59:23] | purefusion: | oh, so the setup is on the frontend |
| [17:59:35] | kormoc: | for mythvideo (for now), yes |
| [17:59:48] | purefusion: | the backend just records and throws the encoded files somewhere? |
| [18:00:04] | kormoc: | the backend records and serves the recordings, but only recordings |
| [18:00:45] | purefusion: | so does that mean it has to record directly to a myth repository then? |
| [18:01:12] | kormoc: | it's not a repository, it's a directory, and yes, it records directly to the directory you specify |
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| [18:02:40] | purefusion: | oh, so mythvideo can either connect to the backend directly, or just grab the video out of its recordings directory? I assume the former has benefits though... |
| [18:02:47] | kormoc: | no |
| [18:02:58] | kormoc: | myth video is just a plugin for mythfrontend |
| [18:03:07] | kormoc: | mythfrontend talks to myhtbackend for recordings only |
| [18:03:11] | purefusion: | oh, mythvideo is the backend |
| [18:03:15] | kormoc: | no |
| [18:03:27] | purefusion: | oh, plugin |
| [18:03:31] | kormoc: | you install mythvideo on the frontend to allow that frontend access to non recording video files |
| [18:03:37] | purefusion: | it all makes sense now :D |
| [18:04:02] | purefusion: | sounds great, so what's your favorite theme? |
| [18:04:22] | kormoc: | I like G.A.N.T personally |
| [18:04:26] | purefusion: | I've been eyeing myth for a few years now, there wasn't much for themes back then |
| [18:08:01] | kormoc: | of course, if you wait for 0.22, there's going to be Graphite and Terra |
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| [18:09:32] | sphery: | purefusion: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra and http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Home.html and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples |
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| [18:10:37] | sphery: | purefusion: /much/ more capable theming support for the next versin, so themers can make very interesting (and very unique) themes. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI for info on creating your own |
| [18:11:36] | purefusion: | Aeon and Mediastream themes look nice |
| [18:12:09] | sphery: | those aren't actual themes, but part of a demo that shows that you can do basically anything you want |
| [18:12:15] | purefusion: | I might take a crack on my own if its simple, since I'm a designer by day |
| [18:12:25] | purefusion: | oh, you mean on the new version? |
| [18:12:28] | sphery: | It's simple, but extremely time-consuming |
| [18:12:41] | purefusion: | I'll have to do it at night then :P |
| [18:12:42] | sphery: | i.e. there's a /lot/ to theme |
| [18:12:58] | sphery: | Best bet is to wait until 0.22 is released, then upgrade to 0.22, then start the theme |
| [18:13:09] | sphery: | as a theme for the current version will be garbage once 0.22 is released. |
| [18:13:26] | sphery: | and the whole approach for themeing changes in 0.22, so you'd have to learn everything again |
| [18:13:31] | purefusion: | you're saying there's a lot to theme on the current version? or it is just easier to implement with the new version? |
| [18:13:59] | sphery: | there's a lot of screens to theme on all versions (because Myth has a /lot/ of functionality) |
| [18:14:07] | purefusion: | what's the recyclability like (say we're talking about just the new version now)? |
| [18:14:16] | sphery: | the new version makes it a lot easier (giving support for inheritance) |
| [18:14:18] | purefusion: | reusing graphics |
| [18:14:21] | sphery: | but it's still very time-consuming |
| [18:14:28] | purefusion: | ah, inheritance, nice |
| [18:14:37] | sphery: | yeah, it's much improved |
| [18:14:43] | sphery: | and much more capable |
| [18:14:56] | sphery: | so, again, wait until 0.22 before you start your new theme |
| [18:15:04] | sphery: | 0.22 should probably be out by the end of Oct. |
| [18:15:09] | purefusion: | can't be much more time consuming than desining an ecommerce theme :P |
| [18:15:18] | purefusion: | designing* |
| [18:15:28] | purefusion: | that's 90% of what I do |
| [18:15:35] | sphery: | the big difference, though, is you don't get paid to do this one :) |
| [18:15:44] | purefusion: | haha, right... hense night |
| [18:16:02] | purefusion: | although that begins to impede with my iphone dev time :P |
| [18:16:08] | purefusion: | early morning it is :D |
| [18:16:10] | sphery: | yeah, but requires some committment to do anything more than just "take an existing theme and change its colors" or whatever |
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| [18:16:47] | purefusion: | what about taking an existing theme that might be close to what I want and then just replacing graphics? |
| [18:16:48] | sphery: | that was the big problem with earlier versions of Myth--most themes were the same-old/same-old just with different colors/pictures |
| [18:17:12] | sphery: | it can be done, but we really need some new and different themes, too |
| [18:17:52] | sphery: | If you're really interested, there's a mailing list for themers (that will likely get a lot more interesting once 0.22 is released) http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-theming |
| [18:17:57] | purefusion: | ok, well if I could get more screens of those Aeon/Mediastream demos, I might be willing to take them on |
| [18:18:25] | sphery: | And, really, we're hoping for different--even different from other media centers :) |
| [18:18:31] | sphery: | i.e. we don't want to just copy the others |
| [18:20:08] | purefusion: | is the email address for the list published anywhere? how spammy is it? |
| [18:20:48] | songer: | hello |
| [18:20:58] | purefusion: | I can do something nice over time, sure... but sources of inspiration are likely to influence it |
| [18:21:14] | songer: | I can't finish with my isntalation of mythtv |
| [18:21:16] | sphery: | purefusion: the list is archived... You can read all of the theming archive at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/theming/ --it's a new list, so there's not much there, yet |
| [18:21:40] | songer: | it says, To configure Myth, you run the mythtv-setup utility and step through the options. |
| [18:22:18] | purefusion: | cool, thanks sphery |
| [18:22:45] | purefusion: | have you taken a crack at any themes? |
| [18:23:32] | sphery: | No, I completely lack artistic talent. |
| [18:23:43] | sphery: | I'm instead writing the code that users never even realize is there. :) |
| [18:23:53] | songer: | buy If I type mythtv-setup in terminal an then enter, It doesn't happen nothing |
| [18:23:57] | sphery: | (mainly background stuff with the database and backends and stuff) |
| [18:24:15] | sphery: | songer: what does happen, then? |
| [18:26:21] | purefusion: | sphery, I commend you for that :) |
| [18:26:36] | songer: | type mythtv-setup then enter nothing happen |
| [18:27:35] | songer: | it says, To configure Myth, you run the mythtv-setup utility and step through the options. so I cn't finish my installation |
| [18:28:18] | sphery: | nothing happens, meaning it doesn't even come back to the prompt in the terminal? |
| [18:28:29] | sphery: | or it comes back to the prompt but you see nothing changed on screen? |
| [18:28:57] | purefusion: | just curious, is an alpha/beta version of myth.22 available? I could build a completely custom theme in time for release, you've really got me intrigued now. :) |
| [18:29:19] | purefusion: | might be more useful on the mailing list that was, too |
| [18:29:20] | sphery: | purefusion: well, if you actually do up some themes, I will commend you for that--as that is not an easy task, either. |
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| [18:29:47] | purefusion: | that was mentioned* |
| [18:29:59] | purefusion: | just a thought |
| [18:30:56] | sphery: | You can run the trunk (development) version. You'll likely need to a) compile yourself, b) read the -commits and -dev mailing lists (to keep up with changes and see what works/what doesn't), and c) be willing to live with the fact that it won't be as stable as 0.21-fixes is (i.e. you might miss recordings or something). |
| [18:31:40] | purefusion: | no problem... I assume .22 frontend is only compatible with .22 backend? |
| [18:31:48] | sphery: | Info on getting trunk is at: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and mailing list info/signup at http://www.mythtv.org/support/ |
| [18:32:24] | songer: | OK. f I do this songer:/home/songer# mythtv-setup i got this songer:/home/songer# |
| [18:32:26] | sphery: | Actually, you can /only/ run a system where all communicating components are the same branch/version (and, really, should be the same SVN revision) |
| [18:32:49] | purefusion: | ok |
| [18:32:50] | sphery: | so that means if you're going to do trunk for frontend theme development, you have to do trunk for backend (which is why you might miss some recordings or whatever). |
| [18:33:19] | sphery: | songer: what's the output of: ps -efw | grep mythtv-setup |
| [18:33:20] | purefusion: | can both trunk and production be run adjacent to each other? |
| [18:33:35] | sphery: | purefusion: best way to do that is with a separate development-only system. |
| [18:34:25] | sphery: | that's exactly what I do... My production systems are all running 0.21-fixes, but I have one development system where I can mess it up however I want/not worry about shutting it down (I often do a lot of my work during primetime, so working on a production box would be dangerous) |
| [18:34:25] | purefusion: | ok, well I can set it up on my spare machine, but how far can I get into the system without a tv tuner? |
| [18:34:48] | purefusion: | haha, well yeah! :P |
| [18:35:05] | sphery: | You just need a "test" tuner... I.e. you can set up an MPEG-2 file as if it were a tuner... It just records from that file (meaning every show has the exact same content) and loops when it gets to the end.\ |
| [18:35:13] | sphery: | That's how my dev box works... |
| [18:35:22] | purefusion: | haha, that's cool |
| [18:35:45] | purefusion: | do you dev on ubuntu, or? |
| [18:36:42] | sphery: | For the test tuner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/217058#217058 |
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| [18:37:12] | songer: | sphery. of ps -efw http://pastebin.com/d2f0cc95d |
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| [18:38:23] | sphery: | I'm not a good person to ask about what distro I use (I do it wrong)... But, if you know Ubuntu, I /highly/ recommend you use MythBuntu to get started with Myth ( http://mythbuntu.org/ ). MythBuntu is just Ubuntu already configured for MythTV. Learning to configure the underlying distro to allow MythTV usage is the hardest part of getting started. |
| [18:38:28] | sphery: | MythBuntu does that for you. |
| [18:38:51] | sphery: | songer: *buntu? |
| [18:39:07] | sphery: | songer: if so, can you run: mythtv-setup.real |
| [18:39:10] | purefusion: | ah, cool... is windows easier to setup, I assume? |
| [18:39:25] | sphery: | actually, MythTV on windows is not really functional at this point |
| [18:39:32] | purefusion: | haha, ok then |
| [18:39:41] | purefusion: | OSX? |
| [18:39:50] | sphery: | MythBuntu (Myth on Ubuntu) or MythDora (Myth on Fedora Core) are the easiest |
| [18:40:22] | sphery: | OSX is not really working well, either... Much better than Windows, but often stops working or isn't updated for months at a time or ... |
| [18:40:56] | purefusion: | so myth .22 is really being developed for linux then? |
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| [18:41:07] | purefusion: | for now, anyway? |
| [18:41:12] | sphery: | Myth has always been developed with a focus on GNU/Linux. |
| [18:41:29] | songer: | debian |
| [18:41:35] | sphery: | some want to run it on other platforms, but typically appear, put in a few patches, then disappear, so we never really get anywhere |
| [18:42:07] | purefusion: | what language is it built on? |
| [18:42:26] | purefusion: | C* I would assume |
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| [18:42:43] | sphery: | You can make it work on Debian, but, IME, the Debian repos are kind of broken (i.e. have broken apps/libs in them), and because of the whole patent/Free-enough-for-Debian thing is probably the hardest distro to use for Myth |
| [18:43:23] | sphery: | If you know Debian, you're much better off with MythBuntu (as it's similar to debian for the debian-roots, but they don't get as caught up in the whole patent/free issue) |
| [18:43:33] | sphery: | C++ using the Qt API |
| [18:43:50] | sphery: | (though much of the code is really C code compiled with a C++ compiler :) |
| [18:44:04] | purefusion: | gotcha ;) |
| [18:44:20] | sphery: | The themes are all written in XML, though. |
| [18:44:20] | purefusion: | I've heard good things about Qt though |
| [18:44:43] | sphery: | Qt is my favorite C++ API--and only because it's FOSS. |
| [18:45:02] | sphery: | I actually like GTK+ better than Qt, but it's C :( |
| [18:45:09] | purefusion: | I suppose Qt is one of the setup steps required for non-mythbuntu ubuntu setups? |
| [18:45:15] | sphery: | However, Vala seems /very/ interesting for exactly that reason... |
| [18:45:22] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:45:25] | sphery: | one of /many/ |
| [18:45:28] | purefusion: | heh |
| [18:45:34] | sphery: | you have to completely change the whole distro configuratoin |
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| [18:45:43] | sphery: | get rid of low-level stuff like PulseAudio |
| [18:45:50] | sphery: | and install tons of dependencies |
| [18:46:08] | sphery: | and configure all sorts of layers of permissions and ... |
| [18:46:14] | sphery: | MythBuntu is the way to go |
| [18:46:24] | purefusion: | Gtk is fail on windows... xchat uses it, it's lacking in a number usability features (though that could be the implementation) |
| [18:46:31] | clever: | found a minor problem in the channel editor in mythtv-setup, the D key doesnt delete channels, so i have to hit M for each one |
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| [18:47:09] | sphery: | even if you just use it to start, then figure out how Myth works, then try to configure Ubuntu yourself later (at which point, you'll have made your Ubuntu into MythBuntu yourself, basically--i.e. MythBuntu /is/ Ubuntu) |
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| [18:47:28] | sphery: | purefusion: yeah, but since I don't use Windows, that's never been a problem for me. :) |
| [18:47:42] | sphery: | (and since I don't do C or C++ programming for my customers) |
| [18:48:06] | songer: | ok thanks |
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| [18:48:16] | sphery: | songer: did that work? |
| [18:48:25] | songer: | no |
| [18:48:38] | sphery: | oh... |
| [18:48:41] | sphery: | because you're on debian |
| [18:49:00] | sphery: | I got lost in the conversation up there--though purefusion was asking if you could make Myth work on Debian |
| [18:49:03] | sphery: | thought |
| [18:49:06] | songer: | but it can work on debian |
| [18:49:14] | sphery: | MythBuntu would be a lot easier, though |
| [18:49:52] | sphery: | I have no idea how Debian sets things up, but, again, it's probably the hardest distro to get working with Myth |
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| [18:50:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | +1 for MythBuntu |
| [18:52:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A heats up the soldering iron to repair his Linksys SD2005 Gigabit switch... (Replacing swollen Capacitors) ** | |
| [18:54:13] | sphery: | I used to do that on mobos--then I realized that just replacing the mobo/cpu/memory may actually be cheaper (due to getting more power-efficient systems), so I quit |
| [18:54:33] | sphery: | (my mobos with issues are all Athlon XP-based system, so old/power-hungry) |
| [18:54:48] | sphery: | and it takes a /lot/ of heat to make that solder flow... |
| [18:55:01] | sphery: | took forever with my little iron |
| [18:55:44] | purefusion: | so I have one unanswered question, which is how performance would be affected with running myth as a backend on my desktop (which is where I do most of my work) |
| [18:56:05] | purefusion: | or would my work possibly screw up anything with the recording |
| [18:56:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: The only MB I've taken the time to replace caps on was my neighbor's Dell... $12 in caps was much cheaper than replacing everything... ;-) |
| [18:56:15] | purefusion: | it's a quad core machine with 8GB ram |
| [18:56:42] | sphery: | the backend takes very little processor, assuming you're using a proper capture device (i.e. an MPEG-2 hardware encoder such as the Hauppauge PVR-150 or HVR-1600 or a digital capture device) |
| [18:57:12] | purefusion: | it will be an HVR-1800 when it's supported |
| [18:57:21] | sphery: | it will take a couple hundred megs of "incremental" RAM (i.e. in addition to the RAM already used by shared libs already used by other processes) |
| [18:57:36] | sphery: | the digital side of the 1800 works now |
| [18:57:47] | purefusion: | ah, right... my cable is analog |
| [18:57:51] | sphery: | and the analog side--when it works--is an MPEG-2 capture device so it is right |
| [18:58:42] | sphery: | might want to plug in the cable and do a digital scan, anyway--most cable cos have the "local broadcast" channels on clear (unencrypted) QAM, per FCC requirements (though that may change /very/ soon, now) |
| [18:58:56] | sphery: | but recording takes few resources at all |
| [18:59:01] | purefusion: | am I waiting for support from myth itself on that card, or drivers from the manufacturer? |
| [18:59:18] | sphery: | commercial flagging and transcoding are the only backend processes that take a lot of system resources |
| [18:59:37] | purefusion: | and that can be done during idle time, yes? |
| [18:59:40] | sphery: | and if you want to "farm" them out to another system, just run mythjobqueue (instead of mythbackend) on the other system and it can do commflagging and transcoding |
| [18:59:54] | sphery: | and it's a driver bug that when fixed will magically make the analog side work in Myth |
| [19:00:07] | purefusion: | ah, hehe |
| [19:00:08] | sphery: | (so not looking for a change to MythTV, but a change to the 1800's drivers) |
| [19:00:30] | purefusion: | I suspect Hauppahge is working on the fix? |
| [19:00:31] | sphery: | and you can set up time windows for jobs, including commflagging and transcoding |
| [19:00:44] | sphery: | some of the people who work for Hauppauge are working on it in their own time |
| [19:00:50] | purefusion: | ah, gotcha |
| [19:00:59] | sphery: | thus the need for patience :) |
| [19:01:04] | sphery: | (i.e. they have lives, too :) |
| [19:01:06] | purefusion: | right :) |
| [19:01:16] | sphery: | anyway, I hope you like Myth |
| [19:01:23] | sphery: | good luck getting it set up |
| [19:01:28] | purefusion: | I hope so too, thanks again for your help |
| [19:01:36] | sphery: | and I hope to see some awesome theme from you in the future |
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| [19:01:46] | purefusion: | sure thing |
| [19:02:19] | sphery: | (and keep in touch on the lists--we're lacking good themes for 0.22, so if you get one done, they may--assuming license compatibility--ask to put it into the official distribution of Myth) |
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| [19:07:55] | krisb: | weird, one of my PVR350 card creates audio artifacts for like 10 second periods every few minutes or so, the other PVR350 works fine and so does both tuners on the PVR500 card :| |
| [19:08:20] | krisb: | I wonder if it's related to heat, the problem card has slightly worse cooling than the others |
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| [20:14:10] | galorin: | Howdy yall. I'm looking to set up my frontend/backend sstem to do hibernation. I've heard it done before, but I can't seem to find the instructions anywhere. Any ideas? |
| [20:14:42] | raptorjr: | hi guys, i have a question about the EPG guide in LiveTV, 0.22. Is it the themers choice, or is it possible to change how big and how many timeslots should be shown? Thought i've seen such a setting but cant find it. Maybe i was dreaming. |
| [20:16:33] | galorin: | rptorjr:setup>tv settings > program guide (1st page) has the setting you are after. |
| [20:17:13] | galorin: | there is an upper and a lower limit though. |
| [20:18:14] | galorin: | I have 5 30 minute blocks (max) and 7 channels (max of 12) |
| [20:18:34] | raptorjr: | hmm, then they must have changed it in 0.22, because the first page only has "display genre colors, display genre text, display the channel icons, show the program guide when starating livetv" Or is there maybe something wrong with the theme? |
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| [20:19:01] | kormoc: | in 0.22, it's themed now iirc |
| [20:19:09] | kormoc: | or rather, in what will be 0.22 someday |
| [20:19:13] | raptorjr: | or maybe by design in the theme, but that feels strange. will have to change theme and look |
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| [20:20:02] | raptorjr: | i'm using the Graphite theme, it was the best looking i could find that was using some 0.22 features. But i guess that theme maybe isn't done yet |
| [20:21:17] | kormoc: | it's likely looking as iamlindoro wanted it to look |
| [20:21:27] | raptorjr: | nope, same thing with MythCenter theme. has the settings been removed or moved? or what theme should i try |
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| [20:21:45] | kormoc: | you actually haven't even said what looks wrong to you |
| [20:21:54] | raptorjr: | Program Guide setting only has two pages, and npne of them let me adjust timeslots |
| [20:21:58] | sphery: | right, in trunk you have to modify the theme to modify the program guide stuff |
| [20:22:00] | raptorjr: | yes i did =) |
| [20:22:05] | sphery: | amount of shows shown, etc. |
| [20:22:17] | raptorjr: | i said i was looking to configure timeslots in EPG LiveTV |
| [20:22:18] | sphery: | galorin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome#MythShutdown_program |
| [20:22:54] | kormoc: | and It was said that it's based on the theme, and then you claimed that you think graphite is just not done, that implies something is wrong |
| [20:23:04] | kormoc: | you never said what it was that was wrong |
| [20:23:08] | sphery: | ttbomk, since the OSD hasn't been converted to mythui, you're stuck with defaults for OSD EPG |
| [20:23:28] | sphery: | i.e. Theme != OSD Theme |
| [20:23:40] | sphery: | so Graphite is not at all involved |
| [20:23:51] | kormoc: | or that |
| [20:24:38] | sphery: | but that's just the same as what you were saying |
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| [20:25:03] | raptorjr: | ok, lets take it from the beginning. Is it possible to adjust timeslots in 0.22 in LiveTV EPG view? do i need a theme that allows that feature, or is it not possible to do anymore? that is what i am wondering |
| [20:25:23] | kormoc: | it's not a feature to adjust, you need a theme that makes it look as you want |
| [20:25:50] | raptorjr: | ok, then i was dreaming, thought it was possible to change, that i've seen that setting before |
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| [20:26:01] | kormoc: | it existed in 0.21, doesn't in -trunk |
| [20:26:06] | raptorjr: | aha, thank you |
| [20:26:19] | raptorjr: | guess i'll have to tweak the theme then |
| [20:26:47] | galorin: | sphery, thanks, will have to look at the "Needs update: kernel > 2.6.22 work with the ACPI RTC (epoc based) alarm. This article talks about NVRAM and old ACPI(/proc/alarm) interfaces that are outdated. " note though. |
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| [20:27:31] | galorin: | raptorjr, that's what I get for not using -trunk... sorry bout the wrong turn |
| [20:27:33] | sphery: | galorin: if you figure it out, we would very much appreciate your updating the page. :) |
| [20:28:10] | sphery: | raptorjr: but for the LiveTV EPG (shown on top of video), I don't think you can change it at all in trunk. |
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| [20:28:29] | galorin: | sphery, I'll do my best. I'd looked at TuxOnIce solutions but couldn't get the machine to even shut down using it. |
| [20:28:59] | raptorjr: | well, i've been running 0.21 since it was releade. thought i should upgade to 0.22 to try to help to find bugs. But besides that there is always some qeustions about new things that you think is bugs, but is by design |
| [20:29:06] | sphery: | I keep bouncing between wanting to and not trusting shutting down my myth backends... |
| [20:29:42] | raptorjr: | i'll have to try to change the theme myself, maybe i'll learn something also =) |
| [20:29:50] | sphery: | it has a lot of advantages (even money wise), but I'm just afraid I'll introduce more potential failure modes (i.e. power happened to be out for a minute or two around the time it was supposed to wake up or whatever) |
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| [20:31:25] | sphery: | raptorjr: Eventually, the entire OSD will be converted to a MythUI-based OSD, meaning it will be themeable like the GUI (with a "normal" GUI Theme, like Graphite). Until then, there's basically not much you can do to the OSD other than move things around/change fonts/change colors. |
| [20:31:44] | sphery: | note that defaultosd, Isthmus, Retro-OSD, ... are examples of OSD themes |
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| [20:39:17] | plb_: | Ok, I purchased a WinTV HVR 1950...works fine but I'd like to hook it up to my cable box via the audio video cables (the red,yellow,white ones) I did that but no picture |
| [20:39:37] | plb_: | picture is fine over coax cable |
| [20:39:47] | kormoc: | so change the card's input to composite? |
| [20:40:00] | plb_: | ah.. |
| [20:41:51] | plb_: | Is there a way I can try this in say mplayer to see that it works? |
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| [20:54:20] | plb_: | or you can change to composite via ivtv? |
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| [21:06:40] | krisb: | plb_: ivtvctl should be able to change the input |
| [21:07:08] | raptorjr: | hey, got another question. With the OSD that support to show program info the info sometimes take to much place so the text gets cut off. Is there some kind of keybinding i could use to open a screen to show the whole info while in LiveTV? Not even the EPG screen will show all the text always. |
| [21:08:22] | plb_: | hm |
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| [21:09:00] | krisb: | or V4l2-ctl seems to be the newer version |
| [21:09:26] | krisb: | http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl |
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| [21:12:26] | brad2: | anyone getting a compile error on mythcontrols.cpp in the latest SVN? |
| [21:12:44] | brad2: | I keep getting errors about tr(const char[14]) being ambiguous |
| [21:12:55] | brad2: | http://pastebin.ca/1547620 |
| [21:13:08] | raptorjr: | hmm hmm, and another question. i'm using browse mode in live tv. it seems that browse mode always start at channel 1 even if i'm tuned on another channelm shouldn't browse mode start on the current channel? |
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| [21:13:36] | krisb: | brad2: which version? i syned earlier today with no compile errors |
| [21:13:58] | krisb: | on 21585 |
| [21:14:31] | brad2: | just resynced from 21587 to 21588 |
| [21:14:37] | brad2: | and the problem went away |
| [21:14:43] | brad2: | only update with myth-controls.h :) |
| [21:14:47] | brad2: | err only update was |
| [21:15:25] | krisb: | guess someone was a little too quick on comitting |
| [21:15:32] | brad2: | guess so |
| [21:15:42] | brad2: | just glad it was easy to fix |
| [21:15:56] | krisb: | is there no separate audio settings for the internal player in mythvideo? |
| [21:16:10] | jams: | there is not |
| [21:16:34] | krisb: | guess its back to mplayer with some clever scripting then |
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| [21:21:17] | raptorjr: | is there a setting in mythweb so i get channel numbers in the guide? |
| [21:21:38] | kormoc: | Yes, turn on 'prefer channel numbers ' |
| [21:21:44] | raptorjr: | thank you |
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| [21:24:24] | raptorjr: | strange, or maybe i dont understand english that good. but you were talking about the setting "Prefer channel number over callsign"? Right? If i understand it should be selected to show channel numbers, but it is the other way around. If i unselect it i can see the channel numbers. But then again, english isn't my native language, i could be misunderstanding |
| [21:24:47] | kormoc: | update your mythweb install, that was fixed a few days ago |
| [21:25:50] | raptorjr: | aaah, sorry, only running mythbuntu weekly so far, have downloaded the source and was about to go that way. maybe i should be quiet until i run "real" trunk =) |
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| [21:26:59] | _ben: | So, trying to reduce my electric consumption... anyone done funky stuff with shutting down a mythbackend and waking up to record something? |
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| [21:43:34] | raptorjr: | i see that when you are making a theme you can use dynamic values that comes from myth, like %TITLE%, %SUBTITLE%, %DATE%, %STARS%. does anyone know where i could find all the different variables i could use in a theme? |
| [21:43:52] | kormoc: | check the theming guide in the wiki |
| [21:44:08] | raptorjr: | yes, i am looking there now, will look more |
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| [22:13:15] | sphery: | raptorjr: there's no program details screen available in the OSD, so no way to get full info. You could change the OSD theme to allow more space for the description in the normal INFO box, but that's it without code changes. |
| [22:13:29] | sphery: | when the OSD goes mythui, we'll put in a nice program details screen |
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| [22:31:29] | raptorjr: | thanks sphery |
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| [22:47:26] | krisb: | anyone have any idea why mplayer would set JACK output to 2 channels when playing from 6 channel sources? |
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| [22:49:02] | jams: | none here..perhaps asking in the appropriate #mplayer channel would be more beneficial |
| [22:50:12] | krisb: | I suppose.. compiling SVN version now so will see where that goes |
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| [22:52:43] | Cyberai: | Hello all. I'm trying to get 5.q surround working on mythbuntu 9.10. I've installed and configured pulseaudio and I can get mplyer to use it correctly. So I went to MythTV and set the audio output device to ALSA:default and the Max Audio Channels set to 5.1. But all I get when I try to watch a recording with 5.1 sound is a strange rattling sound. Can anyone suggest a fix? |
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| [22:53:53] | sphery: | Cyberai: digital audio output or 3 analog output ports? |
| [22:55:13] | Cyberai: | I have an External Soundblaster 5.1 digital card. It's connected by USB to my MythTV box. The connection from the Soundblaster to the Sony surround sound system is by SPDIF. |
| [22:55:59] | sphery: | Then set Max Audio Channels to 2. When you set it to anything other than 2, you're telling myth to decode the audio and if it's not already 5.1 channels, upmix it to 5.1 channels for output on the analog jacks |
| [22:56:38] | sphery: | i.e. by setting Max Audio Channels to 2, you're not requesting upmix, so you can pass the unchanged AC-3/DTS to the receiver and get 5.1 |
| [22:56:53] | Cyberai: | hmmmm, OK |
| [22:56:57] | Cyberai: | let me try that |
| [22:57:06] | sphery: | if you set Max Audio Channels to 5.1, you tell Myth to decode it to PCM and since S/PDIF can only output 2-channel PCM... |
| [22:57:20] | jams: | while i beleive you, that just doesn't seem like something you would "just know" |
| [22:57:26] | sphery: | right |
| [22:57:40] | sphery: | naming of the setting is rather confusing |
| [22:58:24] | Cyberai: | that is really bad naming |
| [22:58:25] | sphery: | If you read the help text /and/ someone has previously explained what it means, you can kind of see what it's saying, "Set the maximum number of audio channels to be decoded. This is for multi-channel/surround audio playback." |
| [22:58:43] | sphery: | i.e. "number of audio channels to be decoded"--if you want passthrough, you don't want to decode |
| [22:59:05] | jams: | add another value to the setting that does the same thing as two, but makes more sense |
| [22:59:21] | jams: | is that a combo box or spin box? |
| [22:59:43] | Cyberai: | funny, I'm a software interface designer and I specialize in making stuff more intuitive. I've tried talking to the MythTV team multiple times about stuff like this. Might as well be shouting at a wall. |
| [22:59:47] | sphery: | combo with values Stereo and 5.1 |
| [22:59:49] | jams: | if it's spin, then what i said wouldnt apply |
| [23:00:53] | jams: | Cyberai- did you send a rather lenghty email about the ui several about a year ago? |
| [23:01:20] | Cyberai: | probably mor elike 2 years ago |
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| [23:01:31] | jams: | heh could be |
| [23:01:36] | ** kormoc peers for patches ** | |
| [23:01:38] | jams: | pretty sure i remember it |
| [23:01:51] | Cyberai: | I got a nice email back saying to send in my ideas, but that they would not be used |
| [23:02:19] | Cyberai: | I don't remember the details, but that's the impression I got |
| [23:03:26] | Cyberai: | I realize that the developers are extremely busy on functionality. |
| [23:03:28] | sphery: | Cyberai: on the bright side, the settings are going to get a major rework "soon" |
| [23:03:32] | sphery: | so much will change |
| [23:03:39] | Cyberai: | well, I'd love to be a part of that |
| [23:04:40] | sphery: | well, keep watching #mythtv, mythtv-dev and mythtv-commits mailing lists, and get involved when things start changing (definitely after 0.22 is released--I hope soon after) |
| [23:04:54] | Cyberai: | some pretty big companies trust me to make their stuff easier to use, and I have a few case studies showing how much money was saved in training and support because of it |
| [23:05:53] | kormoc: | so submit patches? |
| [23:06:13] | Cyberai: | so sphery, can you explain what the upmix setting does? I'm not an audio expert. |
| [23:07:26] | Cyberai: | a patch is not what I had in mind. What I have in mind is a completely new and way more intuitive way for people to use MythTV. Something so transparent that grandma could set it up and use it. |
| [23:08:14] | Cyberai: | I know some folks are already working on things. I'd just like to help. My area of expertise the the underlying psychology, the "Human Factors" part. |
| [23:08:54] | GreyFoxx: | no, really noone is working on that |
| [23:09:02] | kormoc: | So what are you actually offering? Layout changes? Cause if so, that's just writing a menu theme and changing the setting screens around |
| [23:09:30] | GreyFoxx: | there is no active work on changing the interface to allow someone who has never seen a TV or touched a remote to sit down and justuse myth's advanced abilities |
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| [23:09:42] | Cyberai: | no, the entire interaction metaphore needs to change. |
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| [23:09:50] | kormoc: | what does that mean? |
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| [23:09:59] | kormoc: | To me, that's just marketing dribble that's entirely meaningless |
| [23:10:04] | Cyberai: | lol, yeah I hear you |
| [23:10:14] | Cyberai: | it's tough to communicate |
| [23:10:33] | Cyberai: | not to be an apple fanboy here, because I am neither here nor there on them... |
| [23:10:38] | kormoc: | and are you going to take into account the billion ways myth can be setup and work? |
| [23:10:59] | Cyberai: | but, a good example is the difference between your typical cell phone and an iPhone. |
| [23:11:07] | kormoc: | That doesn't really work here |
| [23:11:17] | Cyberai: | very few people have to be taught how to use an iPhone |
| [23:11:20] | kormoc: | Apple limits what you can do to make it easier and very standard for everyone |
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| [23:11:41] | kormoc: | One of myth's strong points is the billion ways it can be setup and used |
| [23:11:41] | Cyberai: | I know, try not to take that example literally. I only meant it as an example of completely changing the interaction metaphore |
| [23:11:45] | GreyFoxx: | userfriendly really means restrict usage to predicted parameters |
| [23:11:51] | mzb: | I'd would have thought that your original email, and others like it, have helped to shape the direction of the mythui "revolution" |
| [23:11:51] | Cyberai: | yes and no |
| [23:11:56] | Cyberai: | both masters can be served |
| [23:12:02] | kormoc: | Example? |
| [23:12:12] | Cyberai: | one good way is to create a three pronged approach |
| [23:12:12] | sphery: | Cyberai: Audio upmix causes mythtv to decode the audio and turn stereo into multi-channel audio through various methods (Passive, Active Simple, Active Linear), whose processor requirements and quality tend to be inversely related. |
| [23:12:20] | kormoc: | I can't think of anything that's extremely flexable and still usable for anyone |
| [23:12:24] | sphery: | Cyberai: if you have 5.1-channel audio in your source, you don't want/need it. |
| [23:12:34] | Cyberai: | thanks sphery |
| [23:12:45] | GreyFoxx: | man this being sick stuff sucks |
| [23:12:50] | Cyberai: | give the users two options for configuring the system |
| [23:12:57] | kormoc: | That's hardly enough |
| [23:13:08] | mzb: | basic vs advanced? |
| [23:13:12] | GreyFoxx: | I've had to have 6 iv bags since wednesday, and still 4 more to go before the end of tomorrow night |
| [23:13:12] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: get well... We need your help on Myth, after all. :) |
| [23:13:21] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx: Aww :( |
| [23:13:30] | laga: | GreyFoxx: what did you do? |
| [23:13:35] | GreyFoxx: | and I head back to the hospital in 30 minutes for my last onje for today |
| [23:13:38] | Cyberai: | method one entails a guided workflow that steps them through the process and detects most likely setting on the way, with the option to override if they want to. |
| [23:13:56] | kormoc: | Cyberai: if you only count the major tv card standards we support, it's at least half a dozen, and no grandma will know what to even pick there |
| [23:14:02] | heyheyhey: | kormoc ur right there are billions of ways |
| [23:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | laga: somehow go an infection. I went to bed tuesday fine, wont up a couple hours later uncontrollably shaking and throwing up |
| [23:14:17] | laga: | GreyFoxx: ouch. get better soon :) |
| [23:14:18] | Cyberai: | method two is a set of power tools that really are nothing but random access to the steps in method one, with more advanced configuration abilites |
| [23:14:30] | sphery: | Cyberai: the plan is to remove the current tight-binding between settings-related code and UI code to allow setup to work however people can imagine (and code it)... So, for example, you could create a GUI setup like mythtv-setup/mythfrontend settings or a web-based setup (i.e. in MythWeb) or a command-line setup using Curses or a wizard-/expert-style setup or ... |
| [23:14:52] | Cyberai: | and method three allows individual distirbutors like mythbuntu, mythdora etc to create their own configuration workflows |
| [23:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | laga: And up until today I've barely been able to stay awake for more than an hour or so... and forget eating :) |
| [23:15:17] | laga: | GreyFoxx: yay for losing weight? :) |
| [23:15:30] | mzb: | Cyberai, I think you'll find a fair bit of opposition to changing mythtv-setup to be "simpler" ... how about you separate _your_ suggestion into something the devs are more likely to handle: ie: separate "setup" from "use" |
| [23:15:33] | GreyFoxx: | I was rather have just gone swimming a few times :) |
| [23:16:02] | mzb: | (at least until they get used to the idea and/or you come up with something tangible they can chew on ;) |
| [23:16:04] | AndyCap: | does the settings code do anything intelligent? or just a pretty face on INSERT INTO |
| [23:16:14] | kormoc: | mzb: one of the issues too is he's not willing/able to actually do the work, he wants to talk/document it and have someone else do it |
| [23:16:27] | laga: | oh, an idea person ;) |
| [23:16:27] | jams: | AndyCap- both |
| [23:16:28] | kormoc: | AndyCap: a few settings have validation routines |
| [23:16:41] | heyheyhey: | well in my travels i found out once setup don't touch lol |
| [23:16:51] | mzb: | kormoc, takes all kinds ... I can't see talking+documentation being a bad thing |
| [23:17:06] | Cyberai: | mzb, I think there can be compromise on that. We can simplify it for some without removing functionality for the experts |
| [23:17:10] | GreyFoxx: | the problem with a "basic" menu system with a optional "advanced set which is more confusing" is that every dude out there considers themselves "power users" and will go right for turning that one. Your grandma is not the one downloading and installing myth and you know it. The geeky family tech guy is |
| [23:17:22] | kormoc: | mzb: it's just that we're not in a position where the developers are bored waiting for more work, we're all overworked already, with way too much stuff to do |
| [23:17:42] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: exactly... The people most likely to realize that they're not power users are the power users |
| [23:17:45] | mzb: | Cyberai, my point being avoid touching mythtv-setup .... just start with mythfrontend |
| [23:18:05] | Cyberai: | kormoc, not a matter of me not WANTING to do the work. I am not a developer, I'm a designer. And in the opinion of many I've spoken to on the MythTV-Users list, MythTV suffers from having too many design decisions made by non-designers. |
| [23:18:09] | heyheyhey: | well i know i am not a power user |
| [23:18:23] | GreyFoxx: | when you don't restrict user options/features and strictly control hardware use like things like apple/tivo and so on do, then it's hard as hell making an interface to suite everyone |
| [23:18:50] | kormoc: | Cyberai: you could learn, it's not that it's something hard to start to learn, we all started by going, huh, I want to change that, how would I do it |
| [23:19:18] | GreyFoxx: | I do however agree that better settings names/help text could go a long way |
| [23:19:40] | sphery: | I do plan to do a complete rework of the settings code if someone doesn't beat me to it |
| [23:19:42] | kormoc: | which is something *anyone* could update and submit patches for |
| [23:19:43] | GreyFoxx: | and maybe a "I've added a new tuner" setup wizard that goes all the way through |
| [23:19:43] | ** mzb feels that no one is getting his point ** | |
| [23:19:55] | Cyberai: | all those things are true mzb/GreyFoxx, but there is room for improvement, no matter how small. Simply changing language in some places (the sound configuration that brought me here is a good example) can provide an immediate improvement without any radical change. |
| [23:20:06] | mzb: | aren't we really talking about making it easier for grandma to USE, rather than make it easier for geek to SETUP ?? |
| [23:20:20] | Cyberai: | mzb, I get you |
| [23:20:36] | Cyberai: | and yes, much can be done there as well |
| [23:20:54] | GreyFoxx: | But if making it easier for grandma makes it hardware for the feek or removes anything they are use to they will bitch. And THEY are the userbase, not grandma |
| [23:20:56] | mzb: | Cyberai, in that case you could always start by submitting patches |
| [23:21:05] | heyheyhey: | the way .22 trunk setup my 101 year old granny can set it up |
| [23:21:20] | Cyberai: | mzb, circular logic there, as I said earlier, not a developer, I'm a designer. |
| [23:21:24] | jams: | sphery- when was the plan to remove the tight-ui binding decided? |
| [23:21:35] | kormoc: | Cyberai: if you can't change "stupid text" to "smart text", what can you actually do? |
| [23:21:50] | GreyFoxx: | but renaming the wording around settings and clearing up help text and such would be a good thing |
| [23:22:34] | sphery: | jams: been talked about for quite some time... just need someone to code it |
| [23:22:48] | jams: | More space for the help text would be nice as well. |
| [23:22:52] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [23:23:05] | mzb: | Cyberai, you don't need to be a developer to submit a patch for "language" related issues ... I suggest you start there: at least the mythtv-devs are more likely to take your ideas seriously then |
| [23:23:09] | GreyFoxx: | anyone else notice the ShowOkPopup box has gotten smaller ? |
| [23:23:22] | jams: | didn't realize that was decided. good to know |
| [23:24:01] | Cyberai: | yes, I could change some text, but I think much better solutions are out there. What if an info box was always present at the top of the setup screen? When you were in a particular box, you would see text at the top explaining that function in more detail. Clicking on a small info icon next to each box would give a very detailed, but easy to understand explanation. |
| [23:24:20] | mzb: | separate! |
| [23:24:31] | mzb: | start somewhere (simple!) |
| [23:24:37] | kormoc: | so why do small improvements when you can complain till someone spends their free time to do it for you! |
| [23:24:44] | mzb: | ie: submit patches for language! |
| [23:24:56] | sphery: | Cyberai: there's a help text area at the bottom of the screen, which could likely be moved with a theme change |
| [23:24:57] | kormoc: | and all that info location/etc stuff is theme controlled |
| [23:25:05] | sphery: | Cyberai: and clicking doesn't work for remote-based setup |
| [23:25:26] | Cyberai: | sphery, you could move to it with the arrow keys and hit enter |
| [23:25:27] | sphery: | Cyberai: but, likely, when the settings GUI's are ported to mythui, things like you mention will be incorporated |
| [23:25:49] | sphery: | again, watch for us to start work on it and get involved then :) |
| [23:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | myth would need a seperate startup mode as most people wouldn't wont that cluttering their screen :) mythfrontend -v playback -mode fisherprice |
| [23:26:02] | ** GreyFoxx heads back to the hospital ** | |
| [23:26:05] | mzb: | heh |
| [23:26:11] | ** kormoc waves to Mr. GreyFoxx ** | |
| [23:26:14] | kormoc: | g'luck@ |
| [23:26:16] | laga: | GreyFoxx: uh, have a nice day? |
| [23:26:38] | sphery: | don't drink too much of that IV |
| [23:26:39] | ** jams would just like to state that just about nothing in the current settings code is controlled by the theme. ** | |
| [23:26:50] | kormoc: | jams: well, the plan is it will be |
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| [23:27:09] | sphery: | yeah, ideally even the level of detail/what settings exist will be themed |
| [23:27:10] | kormoc: | jams: so no point in targeting stuff as hardcoded now when it won't be later |
| [23:27:18] | sphery: | (if not a GUI theme, a settings theme) |
| [23:27:26] | kormoc: | sphery: ouch, yeah, not a gui theme, that'd suck |
| [23:27:30] | AndyCap: | GreyFoxx: oh, I thought fisherprice was the current setting. |
| [23:27:33] | Cyberai: | well, I tried talking to the devs once, I got a pretty brusque response that amounted to "people who can't figure it out our arcane language and interface shouldn't be using MythTV". SOunds like maybe that attitude has changed. I'll look into the patch submission system. |
| [23:27:43] | kormoc: | Cyberai: you're talking to the devs now |
| [23:27:53] | Cyberai: | good |
| [23:27:55] | Dagmar: | ...and making a great impression. |
| [23:27:56] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, just meaning that position/layout stuff would be GUI, but what's there would be settings theme |
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| [23:28:27] | kormoc: | sphery: yeah, I was just hating the idea to change the gui theme to change the gui theme... ;) |
| [23:28:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:29:00] | kormoc: | "Once you pick my theme, you can't change to any other one! MUHAHAHAHA" |
| [23:29:12] | Cyberai: | well Dagmar, here I am saying I have expertise and I want to help. And again I'm hearing "If you can't code, what good are you?". That doesn't exactly leave a great impression either. |
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| [23:29:57] | Dagmar: | If you can't, just don't try issueing orders to the people who can |
| [23:29:58] | kormoc: | Cyberai: but as I said previously, we're busy out the wazoo already, and all you're doing is saying, Hey, drop what you want to do and do my ideas for me! |
| [23:30:01] | mzb: | Cyberai, keep an eye on this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI ... it's what makes your suggestions (now) possible (to an extent) |
| [23:30:25] | Cyberai: | Dagmar, I never said I wanted to be put in charge |
| [23:30:37] | Cyberai: | I just said I had some ideas and I would love to help |
| [23:30:44] | mzb: | Cyberai, nobody has said you need to code to get started on submitting changes to "language" |
| [23:30:55] | Cyberai: | You're the only one whose suggesting I want to tell people what to do |
| [23:31:04] | Dagmar: | I never said anything about being in charge. Dunnow why you'd argue against that |
| [23:31:15] | Dagmar: | ...and I never suggested any such thing. |
| [23:31:17] | kormoc: | he was being sarcastic, namely cause you seem upset that we're not working on your ideas |
| [23:31:19] | Dagmar: | I simply said "don't do it" |
| [23:31:34] | Cyberai: | Dagmar -> "If you can't, just don't try issueing orders to the people who can" |
| [23:31:35] | Dagmar: | ...because it's the trap non-coders fall into. |
| [23:31:49] | Cyberai: | at what point did I suggest issuing orders? |
| [23:31:57] | Dagmar: | You have communications issues as well. |
| [23:31:59] | kormoc: | bah |
| [23:32:01] | Dagmar: | I'm stepping out of this. |
| [23:32:04] | kormoc: | this should end |
| [23:32:09] | mzb: | Cyberai, if you haven't leaned already, the choice of "language" by some of the members of this # can give you the impression that they're ALL a little ... um .. .abrasive ;)) |
| [23:32:15] | Cyberai: | it already ended, the attitude hasn't changed |
| [23:32:45] | Dagmar: | What the "OMG YOU R SUGGESTING I AM KILLING BABIES" "No we're not" "YES U R" exchange? |
| [23:33:29] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [23:33:52] | ** mzb goes to make his 2nd coffee before disappointment sets in ** | |
| [23:34:10] | Cyberai: | no Dagmar the "Hey I have some ideas and I'd like to help" to "You want to tell other people what to do" exchange |
| [23:34:17] | Dagmar: | I said no such thing. |
| [23:34:21] | Dagmar: | I said "don't do it" |
| [23:34:33] | Cyberai: | Dagmar> If you can't, just don't try issueing orders to the people who can |
| [23:34:40] | laga: | for fuck's sake |
| [23:34:49] | Dagmar: | Yes. What part of "don't do it" there is confusing you into thinking I'm saying you are doing something |
| [23:34:58] | kormoc: | I'm gonna start quieting people |
| [23:35:07] | Cyberai: | I guess I don't understand why you would think I would be doing that? |
| [23:35:13] | ** kormoc eyes Cyberai and Dagmar ** | |
| [23:35:18] | jams: | end this argument or it will be ended for you |
| [23:35:29] | Cyberai: | it's OK kormoc. |
| [23:35:48] | Dagmar: | Because it's where we wind up when we're submitting bug reports that aren't a) crash related, b) typo hunting, and c) "plain weird" bugs |
| [23:35:58] | ** mzb waves the flag and rings the bell ** | |
| [23:36:17] | Dagmar: | Like, there's about a dozen things about the way the database handles keeping track of recordings that I just loathe |
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| [23:36:48] | Dagmar: | Boy howdy I would love to see them changed but 1) I don't have the time, and 2) they'd be a pretty serious change and without me helping would simply be _issuing orders_ to people |
| [23:37:06] | Dagmar: | It's very, very easy to fall into that trap without even seeing it |
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| [23:39:57] | Dagmar: | Hell, it's almost impossible to word a lot of bug reports that aren't simply fixing typos and utterly wrong behaviours as something other than "someone else do this plzkthxbai" |
| [23:40:08] | Dagmar: | It's probably why you caught flack before |
| [23:40:20] | Dagmar: | The important thing is to not get excited about it |
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| [23:43:09] | Cyberai: | you won't hear from me about this again. I get paid very well to work with coders who are open to suggestions and understand the value of user centric development. In 10 years I've never been accused of wanting to issue orders. I have very little time in my schedule for Open Source work, but I love MythTV and I wanted to help. Twice I've volunteered and twice I've gotten a less than friendly response. This kind of thing is why OSS proj |
| [23:43:09] | Cyberai: | ects get stuck and never progress beyond a tiny audience. If you ever decide you want a professional to help with this stuff you have my email from my earlier submission. I can create fully fleshed out interface examples in iRise or xml and work cooperatively with developers and users to see if we can't improve things. |
| [23:43:33] | Dagmar: | Hence the not getting excited |
| [23:43:36] | Cyberai: | unytil then, whatever |
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| [23:48:23] | laga: | so, this remote control midlet at http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~aaron/mythtvmobileremote.html works pretty well |
| [23:49:47] | mzb: | shame |
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| [23:52:15] | Dagmar: | This is why parents should leave their children to the elements like the greeks did if they think they might grow up to be middle management. |
| [23:52:23] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
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| [23:54:54] | mzb: | laga, works well (only tested pause!) on e51 ... hasn't impressed *her* much as she's watching something ;) |
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| [23:55:03] | laga: | mzb: haha :) |
| [23:55:11] | laga: | mzb: it's not really flash, but it works well enough |
| [23:55:22] | ** laga got a ghetto set up right now ;) ** | |
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| [23:56:30] | mzb: | as I've not added the usb cable through the wall (waiting on the HDMI<-->DVI cables to arrive) I've got no IR remote, relying on wiimote (bluetooth) only atm, so anything extra is good :) |
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| [23:57:21] | ** mzb is aiming for (relatively) "cable-free" to increase WAF ** | |
| [23:58:39] | mzb: | ..although, having accidentally dismantled the server hosting the frontend's NFS root I've already increased WAF somewhat by using the MBE as the FE (side-effect being that we can now watch HD;)) |
| [23:59:19] | mzb: | which is handy, as _during_ moving house the netball has moved from an SD channel to HD ... so that's a relief! |
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