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| [00:05:07] | wagnerrp: | ooh... 24" ultrasharp for under $400 |
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| [00:16:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Micro Center has an Acer 23" for $159 |
| [00:16:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Although it's only got Analog and DVI inputs. |
| [00:17:10] | wagnerrp: | Acer <<<<<<< Ultrasharp |
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| [00:18:01] | wagnerrp: | well... for general use by the undemanding user, an Acer is just fine |
| [00:18:16] | wagnerrp: | but im pissed off at TN panels |
| [00:18:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... ;-) |
| [00:19:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: My 21.6" acer in my bedroom is fine – fast response time, connected via DVI to my frontend, quite nice... only paid $179 about a year ago. |
| [00:19:15] | wagnerrp: | too many times have i had to sit up to play a game, because that 10–15deg change in viewing angle was a caused a significant change in contrast |
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| [00:21:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, My son's the gamer... I haven't played many pc games the last 10 years or so... (I'm gettin' old I guess... :-O ) |
| [00:23:09] | wagnerrp: | too many times have i stood up, and subsequently been unable to read the screen because the contrast ratio dropped to the teens |
| [00:24:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: You were right... dummy me, I forgot to load the firmware for the HD-3000 ... it's working quite nice now... DOH! |
| [00:24:59] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: You might like the new Wolfenstien |
| [00:25:11] | ** wagnerrp enjoys his firmware-free HVR-1250 ** | |
| [00:25:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... I've got a 1250 in the same box. The first time I booted, I had to fix the address of my video card in xorg.conf though since it pushed the video card up one... doh! |
| [00:26:44] | wagnerrp: | there was some discussion about that sort of thing earlier today |
| [00:26:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I never did play that too much... didn't get into the d&d stuff much. |
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| [00:27:30] | wagnerrp: | what does wolfenstein have to do with d&d |
| [00:28:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | woops, sorry, was thinking "dungeon' for Wolfenstien... but it's a FPS... anyways, I never got into either really. |
| [00:28:47] | wagnerrp: | into... dungeons? |
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| [00:28:59] | wagnerrp: | so youre not that kind of guy.... |
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| [00:29:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... HD football (preseason) looks incredibly clear, photo quality... SD commercials are horribly blurry though... DOH! |
| [00:30:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... I did play around with Wolfenstein briefly on the Amiga back in the day... |
| [00:30:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, completely different |
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| [00:31:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee... can you imagine, that in like 10 years, what we call "HD" now, will be the 'low-definition' of the future... baffling... |
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| [00:33:44] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i highly doubt that |
| [00:34:20] | wagnerrp: | current 'HD' is pretty much defined by what resolution people can actually see at a normal viewing distance |
| [00:34:53] | wagnerrp: | unless people start sitting a lot closer, or those 100"+ TVs become commonplace, 1080p is going to be here for a while |
| [00:35:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'd be interested to hear from somebody in the movie industry what the digital movies are filmed at – I would think it's higher than 1080p... |
| [00:35:34] | wagnerrp: | common formats are 2K, 4K, and 8K |
| [00:35:48] | wagnerrp: | in the case of cinema formats, thats the horizontal resolution, not the vertical |
| [00:37:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Nice. ;-) |
| [00:39:06] | wagnerrp: | understand that is just the size for mastering |
| [00:39:15] | wagnerrp: | most digital cinemas will be 2K or 1080p |
| [00:39:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: What resolution ^^ so just a bit higher than the TV standard 1080p |
| [00:39:58] | wagnerrp: | 2048xsomething, dont remember off hand |
| [00:40:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: What projector tech do they use – a triple-chip DLP? |
| [00:40:48] | AndyCap: | 4096x2160 for 4K |
| [00:41:40] | AndyCap: | iirc the cinema here used Kinoton 3 dlp projectors. |
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| [00:43:04] | wagnerrp: | something like that, theyre usually triple chip, and theyre usually several kW capacity |
| [00:43:31] | wagnerrp: | last time i was up in a booth, they had a big wheeled cart they had the projector on |
| [00:43:44] | AndyCap: | heh, 3kW to 7kW on these http://www.kinotonamerica.com/datasheets/DCP30_e.pdf |
| [00:43:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap, wagnerrp – Yeah, I figured it couldn't be a 'standard' color-wheel DLP, because my eyes are quick enough that I see the 'rainbow effect' even on the DDR DLP projectors... drives me crazy (and it's a short trip, let me tell you!) |
| [00:43:54] | wagnerrp: | complete with decoder hardware, and a PC running a RAID array to handle the content |
| [00:43:55] | AndyCap: | that's got to be a pretty hot bulb |
| [00:44:22] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: hehe, I only notice it when I'm tired. |
| [00:44:23] | wagnerrp: | the movie usually just comes on a single hard drive |
| [00:44:29] | wagnerrp: | but its encrypted and uncompressed |
| [00:44:54] | wagnerrp: | so you need some serious disk throughput, and equally serious crypto hardware to run at that throughput |
| [00:45:16] | juski: | probably FPGAs/ASICs |
| [00:45:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehee... A buddy of mine used to work at the theater as a projector tech, but that was before the digital projection days... (10+ yrs ago)... IIRC, their projectors had 12" vent stacks coming off of them... |
| [00:45:39] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: wikipedia suggests they're using jpeg-2000 |
| [00:45:53] | caseyd: | inaugural run of my first mythtv set up =) |
| [00:45:55] | juski: | wavelet compression? Mmmmm soft |
| [00:46:12] | juski: | still, rather soft than blocky |
| [00:46:44] | juski: | and FWIW, uncompressed 2k movies would probably be too big to fit on a single HDD |
| [00:46:57] | wagnerrp: | really? well one of my friends claimed they usually ran around 500GB for a movie |
| [00:47:10] | juski: | do the sums :) |
| [00:47:15] | wagnerrp: | of course doing the calc.... uncompressed 2K would be around 2GB/src |
| [00:47:16] | wagnerrp: | sec |
| [00:47:36] | juski: | so it kinda figures it's either not a single HDD or it's compressed :) |
| [00:47:56] | wagnerrp: | off by a zero, 200MB/s |
| [00:48:06] | juski: | only that? hrm |
| [00:48:34] | wagnerrp: | so that would put a 2-hr video at ~1.3TB plus audio |
| [00:48:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Jeeze... that theater projector you posted the pdf for uses 120A of power... wow... |
| [00:48:48] | wagnerrp: | maybe they just came on a generic 500GB drive |
| [00:49:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Perhaps, but I'd bet it was a high-performance SCSI drive... (Fibre Channel perhaps) |
| [00:50:04] | AndyCap: | http://www.filmlook.com/news/07fall.pdf hmm. |
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| [00:51:48] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: no, that was just for transport... they had some disk array they actually played off of |
| [00:52:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah. ;-) |
| [00:52:04] | AndyCap: | ah, here we go. http://www.dcimovies.com/DCIDigitalCinemaSystemSpecv1_2.pdf page 23 |
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| [00:55:10] | wagnerrp: | its kinda backwards from analog if you think about it |
| [00:55:34] | wagnerrp: | analog ships in several 12" or so reels that have to be spliced together |
| [00:55:42] | wagnerrp: | digital ships in one drive that needs to be split apart |
| [00:56:03] | AndyCap: | Feature films have been sub-divided for some time into discreet temporal units for film |
| [00:56:06] | AndyCap: | systems called reels. This concept and practice will continue in use for the Digital |
| [00:56:09] | AndyCap: | Cinema system. |
| [00:56:12] | AndyCap: | Wth? |
| [00:57:06] | juski: | imagine, pressing PLAY & not having to do anything for the duration of a whole movie.. |
| [00:57:21] | juski: | you could cut down your staff numbers like *that* ! |
| [00:57:23] | caseyd: | ok just set up mythtv for the first time.. I've got two images when watching a tv channel one on top and bottom of eachother |
| [00:57:24] | juski: | ;) |
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| [00:57:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] ... Gee, they just suspended play on the pre-season footbal game due to a thunderstorm in Tampa... |
| [00:57:40] | GreyFoxx: | ATI card + bob 2x deinterlacer ? |
| [00:57:48] | GreyFoxx: | caseyd: ATI card + bob 2x deinterlacer ? |
| [00:58:03] | wagnerrp: | juski: you do just press play, and dont have to do anything for the duration of a whole movie |
| [00:58:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: Hehe... and in most cases, they don't even have to press 'play'... even the 'analog' theater my buddy worked at 10+ years ago had automatic timers... |
| [00:58:20] | wagnerrp: | they splice the reels together, along with ads and previews before hand |
| [00:58:40] | caseyd: | have no idea, but will look for that =) it is an ati |
| [00:58:47] | sphery: | caseyd: on the 3rd screen of Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, change your Playback Profile group from CPU+ to Slim |
| [00:59:22] | sphery: | Slim is better, anyway, so even if you had a video card whose drivers didn't have this bug, you'd want to change it. |
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| [01:01:38] | caseyd: | sphery, awesome! that was it.. =) |
| [01:02:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp, AndyCap "The storage system is required to provide enough output to support a continuous stream of 307 Mbits/sec for compressed image, uncompressed audio (16 channels, 24 bit sample, 96 kHz) and subtitle data to allow for non interrupted Digital Cinema playback." <- Wow |
| [01:03:13] | wagnerrp: | a 4 disk stripe would be pushing it |
| [01:03:20] | wagnerrp: | you would probably go with a 6–8 disk |
| [01:03:42] | AndyCap: | The central and/or local storage system is required to have the capacity to hold at least 1 |
| [01:03:43] | wagnerrp: | or one of those TB PCIe SSD cards |
| [01:03:46] | AndyCap: | TByte of usable storage per screen, where a TByte equals 1,000,000,000,000 bytes. |
| [01:03:56] | sphery: | caseyd: For the record, GreyFoxx was right about the problem, but I just told you one good solution. :) |
| [01:03:57] | AndyCap: | so, not too much disk. |
| [01:04:13] | mike3: | okay, I just setup ubuntu 9.04. The old way I use to shut the computer down would be /proc/acpi/alarm. Well that's not there. How can I acheive this now? |
| [01:04:36] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that be the way to start the computer? |
| [01:04:54] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: heh, they also state that the decoder is not allowed to cheat but must decode all the data in a 4K frame if it is a 4K decoder, a 2K decoder can get away with less though. |
| [01:05:37] | sphery: | So, does anyone else find it really annoying that we're starting to get to the point where you actually say things like, "3 terrabytes free," in conversation, and--unlike with gigabytes--there's no good "short" nickname. So, whereas you would say, "I have 3 gigs free," you can't really say, "I have 3 ters free." |
| [01:06:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Well, yes & no... You can say "I have 3TB free" ... ;-) |
| [01:06:17] | sphery: | At least when we go to petabytes, we can say, "I have 3 pets free." |
| [01:06:26] | sphery: | (then wonder why someone stole our kittens...) |
| [01:06:50] | AndyCap: | kilogigs! |
| [01:06:53] | sphery: | but in conversation, saying the letters "T" and "B" is as hard or harder than saying "terrabyte" |
| [01:07:04] | sphery: | kilogigs works... |
| [01:07:10] | mike3: | Anyone know how I can shut the computer down and have it wakeup via RTC? |
| [01:07:22] | wagnerrp: | kilogigs works... kegs would be better |
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| [01:07:27] | sphery: | mike3: mythwelcom/mythshutdown! |
| [01:07:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what, you have 3 kegs free? I'll take them. |
| [01:07:56] | sphery: | mike3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome |
| [01:08:13] | ** sphery hopes it's a good porter or something ** | |
| [01:08:15] | AndyCap: | Theater facilities are required to provide a dial-up modem with a connection |
| [01:08:18] | AndyCap: | that will be available 24/7 for security communications |
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| [01:08:20] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [01:08:33] | Dagmar: | What's *that* from? |
| [01:08:42] | Dagmar: | The new Stasi policies? |
| [01:09:22] | AndyCap: | well, the digital cinema initiative, but poteito potato. |
| [01:09:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: We've been chatting about Digital Theaters... It's from their digitial Cinema Specs... |
| [01:09:55] | Dagmar: | I guess that's so hackers can reach in and replace large chunks of video with pictures of Rosanne Barr's paparazzi pics at Cannes? |
| [01:10:10] | AndyCap: | oh, nooo, there's supposed to be a security firewall there. |
| [01:10:15] | Dagmar: | Yeah right |
| [01:10:21] | Dagmar: | Like that'll happen |
| [01:10:28] | AndyCap: | of course, that's to prevent you from stealing the movie, not splicing in penis shots. |
| [01:10:54] | Dagmar: | Ah, I see. So the modem will be mounted atop the screen and will carefully eyeball everyone to make sure they don't have a camera |
| [01:10:55] | wagnerrp: | heh heh... AndyCap said penis |
| [01:11:36] | Dagmar: | ...because you know they're not likely to be pushing any kind of content of merit over an analog dialup connection |
| [01:12:02] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: oh yes, encryption keys. |
| [01:12:06] | Dagmar: | Theatres would LOVE to get their movies sent to them over a 56k connection. |
| [01:12:22] | AndyCap: | the ingest interface is specified to be at least 1Gig ethernet. |
| [01:12:35] | Dagmar: | Good luck making that worthwhile over dialup. |
| [01:12:56] | Dagmar: | Last I checked modems just didn't come in gigabit varieties |
| [01:12:58] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: the dialup is just for keys and logs. |
| [01:13:18] | Dagmar: | Either way, it's good to know that we can now wardial theatres and perform a DoS |
| [01:14:08] | wagnerrp: | i recall the playback server being offline |
| [01:14:17] | wagnerrp: | and them having to supply the key with a USB stick |
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| [01:15:49] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: yeah, the spec mentioned something about other key distribution methods could be agreed upon |
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| [01:18:33] | AndyCap: | A Forensic Mark is required to be inserted in real time into the content at the earliest point after decryption and prior to the content data being present on any data bus outside the Media Block. |
| [01:18:36] | AndyCap: | ah, how nice. |
| [01:20:43] | wagnerrp: | its for your protection |
| [01:21:12] | wagnerrp: | if everything gets watermarked, hackers wont break into the theater and eat your family to try to gain access to that content |
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| [01:31:45] | caseyd: | one last question.. how do I delete a Storage Group Directory? |
| [01:31:51] | wagnerrp: | 'd' |
| [01:32:22] | caseyd: | ahh great =) |
| [01:32:57] | AndyCap: | heh, so how the heck do they make watermarks that meets all the demands on page 127. visually transparent and survives camcorder capture and molestation. |
| [01:32:58] | caseyd: | actually thought of another, it seems when i'm flipping around the channels its making a bunch of small recordings.. do you know where/if theres a setting to make it automatically delete those |
| [01:33:32] | wagnerrp: | caseyd: they are first on the list to auto-expire |
| [01:33:38] | wagnerrp: | and they usually do so within a day or so |
| [01:34:09] | caseyd: | okay |
| [01:34:21] | caseyd: | just seems a little odd, i go to media library and theres lots of pieces of shows |
| [01:37:18] | Dagmar: | So turn back off the thing that lets you see Live TV in the recordings list |
| [01:37:24] | Dagmar: | Or quit changing channels so much |
| [01:37:36] | caseyd: | first option sounds best =) |
| [01:38:40] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm' to access the filter options |
| [01:42:26] | caseyd: | welp thanks for the help.. it's working great |
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| [01:50:34] | wagnerrp: | someone has a comment on their wiki user page that their catwoman DVD refused to play |
| [01:50:52] | wagnerrp: | so hard to resist making a comment about myth's content filter on his discussion page |
| [01:52:51] | Dagmar: | I'll do it! |
| [01:52:52] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [01:53:27] | wagnerrp: | its at the top of the recent changes page |
| [02:01:52] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_talk:Jaakan |
| [02:02:23] | Dagmar: | I had to pop off an opposing viewpoint on the "Comcast is transitioning from analog to digital" thing he said on his other page |
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| [02:08:31] | Dagmar: | In this market, digital users are still the minority-case |
| [02:08:47] | Dagmar: | If comcast forced eveyrone to switch, the cost of those boxes would probably put them in the red for the quarter here |
| [02:09:47] | wagnerrp: | you think? |
| [02:09:55] | wagnerrp: | (i have no idea what those boxes cost) |
| [02:10:55] | Dagmar: | Yeah because everyone who was too stupid to be able to hook them up themselves (which is sadly, also the majority) would probably say eff it and call Dish or Direct |
| [02:12:06] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt think about installation |
| [02:13:08] | wagnerrp: | theres someone else on the users list complaining about scte65scan failing because he does not have a DVB card |
| [02:13:21] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [02:13:40] | sphery: | using an analog capture card? |
| [02:13:46] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun |
| [02:13:56] | sphery: | oh, was wondering why a US user was scanning analog |
| [02:15:29] | wagnerrp: | you know, i love my computer case, but its too damn heavy |
| [02:16:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont have room on my desk to place it |
| [02:16:49] | Dagmar: | They're scanning analog because no one has any right to tell them that they can't. |
| [02:17:02] | Dagmar: | ...and they'll argue like hell that they get useful results from it |
| [02:17:05] | wagnerrp: | trying to manhandle it on my lap, while taking it apart to replace the broken FP USB connector just doesnt work |
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| [02:21:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ugh... the WSF is WAY up tonight... |
| [02:21:27] | wagnerrp: | wsf? |
| [02:21:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | (Wife STUPIDITY Factor) |
| [02:23:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A tries to control his rage before he turns green and tears his shirt off... ARGH!!!! ** | |
| [02:25:54] | AndyCap: | I knew that gammawave oven was a bad idea. |
| [02:35:28] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Does graphite check and display a banner when season and episode not equal to zero or could movies also have banners? |
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| [03:06:13] | PMantis: | Hi everyone. Is there a built-in way to have Myth download podcasts, and add them to the "recorded programs" list? Every time I search, I see links for the opposite, RSS feed for programs *already* recorded by myth. |
| [03:07:00] | wagnerrp: | there is 'miro-bridge' which does something similar |
| [03:07:25] | wagnerrp: | or you could write your own script to manage downloading rss feeds and inserting them into the database |
| [03:07:58] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: Thanks. I not opposed to writing something, but figured I'd check, rather than recreate the wheel. |
| [03:08:01] | wagnerrp: | or one of the mythstream[s|tv] incarnations may provide that capability |
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| [03:08:56] | PMantis: | I'd ideally like to see it set-up so that the programs just 'show up' in the recorded list. |
| [03:10:25] | wagnerrp: | oof... penny arcade changed their format |
| [03:10:48] | PMantis: | penny arcade? That's a bar about 5 miles from me. |
| [03:10:59] | wagnerrp: | and its black text on blue background |
| [03:11:10] | wagnerrp: | hopefully theyre not finished |
| [03:11:15] | PMantis: | well, bar/rock band place. |
| [03:15:13] | Dagmar: | Yeah I was a bit caught off guard by that |
| [03:15:23] | Dagmar: | Couldn't figure out what to click on at first |
| [03:15:39] | wagnerrp: | seems something is screwed up with firefox |
| [03:15:47] | wagnerrp: | IE manages to render the text properly |
| [03:16:43] | wagnerrp: | something is screwed up with my desktop |
| [03:16:49] | wagnerrp: | my laptop manages to render the text properly |
| [03:18:37] | Dagmar: | Time to set it on fire |
| [03:18:59] | Dagmar: | IE works but FF doesn't? It's possesed by evil and must be purged. |
| [03:21:27] | wagnerrp: | WTF is 'crn.com'... and wtf does it have an IT channel claiming that moving iChat, iCal, Finder, and Safari to 64-bit makes them more secure? |
| [03:24:05] | wagnerrp: | and ive always hated it when people call OSX secure |
| [03:24:17] | wagnerrp: | something being untested doesnt make it secure |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | theres just nothing to gain from people going after that 5% market share |
| [03:25:18] | wagnerrp: | and Snow Leopard including antivirus software just indicates that Apple is worried |
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| [03:26:25] | leprechau: | what's the best cheap atsc tuner card out there now as far as compatibility is concerned? |
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| [03:26:49] | wagnerrp: | if you want PCI, i would go for a kworld, or try to find a deal on a pinnacle |
| [03:27:01] | leprechau: | yes pci |
| [03:27:06] | wagnerrp: | if you want PCIe, go for a HVR-1250 |
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| [03:27:08] | leprechau: | any particular model kworld? |
| [03:27:16] | wagnerrp: | as always, check linuxtv.org for compatibility |
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| [03:28:00] | wagnerrp: | there is at least one kworld model that does not support QAM, if you ever intend to go that route |
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| [03:31:40] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you shouldnt be spending more than ~$50 on a single tuner |
| [03:31:59] | wagnerrp: | those cards should all be at or below that |
| [03:33:14] | leprechau: | looking now at the atsc 110/115 |
| [03:33:22] | leprechau: | just gotta find someone that sells em now |
| [03:34:47] | wagnerrp: | im surprised you cant find them on newegg |
| [03:34:54] | wagnerrp: | they used to be pretty common |
| [03:35:11] | wagnerrp: | seems the 120 was the one with no QAM support |
| [03:35:37] | leprechau: | yeah |
| [03:35:45] | wagnerrp: | they dont seem to have any of the pinnacle tuners either |
| [03:35:52] | leprechau: | newegg has the 110 listed as discontinued with the 120 selling |
| [03:37:40] | wagnerrp: | well then... i dont know what to suggest as a cheap PCI tuner |
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| [03:47:30] | leprechau: | http://cgi.ebay.com/DVICO-FUSION-HDTV5-RT-LIT . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [03:47:36] | leprechau: | how about that? |
| [03:48:34] | leprechau: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards << it's listed here...but not much info about it |
| [03:49:30] | wagnerrp: | if its listed, go for it... im just not a fan of computer hardware on ebay |
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| [03:50:23] | leprechau: | only place that I can find that still carries anything but the fusionhdtv7 :/ |
| [03:50:31] | leprechau: | and it's like $120 |
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| [04:02:44] | psm321: | http://www.multichannel.com/article/328866-FC . . . _Vendors.php |
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| [04:06:06] | ** wagnerrp points at the IRC logs, and the mailing list archives, and the wiki.... ** | |
| [04:06:45] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, Since there is no source for movie banners, we don't launch a grabber for them in MythVideo, only for Tv material-- A user can set one manually or put one w/ the right IMDB # in the banner dir and it will find it on an attempted metadata grab |
| [04:07:29] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will find existing images in the SGs now? |
| [04:08:03] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:08:07] | wagnerrp: | arent those DTAs standard definition only? |
| [04:08:15] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:09:00] | wagnerrp: | then what is this BS Disney is clammoring on about DTAs providing 'improved resolution', backing the waiver |
| [04:09:13] | iamlindoro: | just that :) |
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| [04:16:47] | ** psm321 appologizes to wagnerrp ** | |
| [04:16:57] | psm321: | sorry, i shouldve looked first |
| [04:16:58] | wagnerrp: | apology? what for? |
| [04:17:07] | psm321: | repeat link |
| [04:17:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont care... just pointing out its not new news |
| [04:17:30] | psm321: | oh ok |
| [04:17:35] | psm321: | thanks |
| [04:18:09] | psm321: | so i guess the time i've been spending trying to get my clearqam system up will probably soon be pointless |
| [04:18:22] | wagnerrp: | no more so than normal |
| [04:18:41] | wagnerrp: | they are still not allowed to encrypt the local broadcast channels |
| [04:19:12] | wagnerrp: | so it just means you likely wont get the channels you were expecting to after comcast started the transition to DTAs in your area |
| [04:19:44] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, those would only be standard definition channels anyway |
| [04:19:57] | wagnerrp: | probably only marginally better quality than the analog channels they replaced |
| [04:20:05] | wagnerrp: | (with the advantage of multirec) |
| [04:20:14] | psm321: | i just wanted functionality equivalent to current |
| [04:20:22] | psm321: | plus the multirec thing :) |
| [04:20:56] | psm321: | oh well, i guess if they follow through weith it (or have the already? i havent checked), then its a good excuse to stop wasting money on cable |
| [04:22:31] | psm321: | nope they havent yet :) |
| [04:22:57] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect it to take them long |
| [04:27:47] | psm321: | wagnerrp: did you actually see discussion on the wiki or were just mentioning it in a list of places that discussion had probably occurred? (just wondering because i was looking ofr it on the wiki to read and can't find anything) |
| [04:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i figured there would be some mention of it on the scte65scan page |
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| [04:33:41] | elprespufferfish: | I just saw the tmdb script. is there a way to run this automaticall for all my movies? |
| [04:33:53] | wagnerrp: | elprespufferfish: see JAMU |
| [04:34:19] | elprespufferfish: | thanks! |
| [04:34:49] | elprespufferfish: | time to upgrade to .22 :p |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | how would you pull that off? |
| [04:35:28] | wagnerrp: | the time to upgrade to 0.22 wont be for several weeks |
| [04:35:29] | elprespufferfish: | what? |
| [04:35:35] | psm321: | i just thought of another bright side... now i probably won't have to upgrade my raid server (i'm at sata port capacity, was looking like it was going to be a $1500+ thing) |
| [04:36:08] | wagnerrp: | psm321: heh... im looking forward to that in the next couple months |
| [04:36:16] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: now its weeks? |
| [04:36:24] | elprespufferfish: | err...svn? |
| [04:36:32] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: the first feature freeze already hit |
| [04:36:45] | wagnerrp: | theres a complete freeze in early september, with a hoped release before october |
| [04:37:03] | wagnerrp: | elprespufferfish: right now, it is still trunk, there is no 0.22 branch as of yet |
| [04:37:55] | elprespufferfish: | thanks for the heads up |
| [04:38:28] | Shadow__X: | awesome |
| [04:39:23] | purserj: | win 2 |
| [04:44:22] | psm321: | wagnerrp: looking forward to what? a new system? |
| [04:45:03] | wagnerrp: | psm321: an expensive upgrade |
| [04:45:09] | wagnerrp: | im out of space on my current array |
| [04:46:37] | Shadow__X: | external sata enclosure?> |
| [04:47:12] | wagnerrp: | i hope youre kidding on that one |
| [04:47:42] | psm321: | i was looking into SAS... expensive, but provides for future expandability |
| [04:48:14] | wagnerrp: | you dont spend $1500 on a system that you would use cheap external boxes with |
| [04:48:42] | wagnerrp: | psm321: i was actually looking at some (dumb) SAS controller to replace my RAID card in the next machine |
| [04:50:26] | leprechau: | freebsd and zfs with dumb sata controllers is the way to go |
| [04:50:37] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: thats the idea |
| [04:50:58] | wagnerrp: | well... except dump sata controllers are usual 4 or fewer ports |
| [04:51:02] | wagnerrp: | dumb |
| [04:51:18] | dsnyders: | Hi all! How powerful a processor do I need for a mythtv box? |
| [04:51:21] | leprechau: | supermicro makes a nice 8 port dumb sata card |
| [04:51:32] | kormoc: | dsnyders: depends on many factors |
| [04:51:41] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: they make a PCI-X card, and they make a upside-down PCIe card |
| [04:51:49] | wagnerrp: | neither of which im too interested in |
| [04:52:04] | leprechau: | ehh the pci-x is the one im referring to |
| [04:52:18] | dsnyders: | kormoc, such as? |
| [04:52:45] | wagnerrp: | dsnyders: what do you intend to play? are you going to transcode? commercial flag? do other tasks? |
| [04:53:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can require anywhere from a lowly P3, up to a high end quad core, depending on what you want to use it for |
| [04:53:22] | kormoc: | dsnyders: capture device, format of the pacture, resolution of the playback, deinterlacer used, timestretch, real time commflagging, how many feeds at once, frontend or backend or both? |
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| [04:53:34] | wagnerrp: | asking what you need for a mythtv box is ambiguous in the extreme |
| [04:54:05] | dsnyders: | wagnerrp, The plan was to time shift TV. I was unaware that there was so many options. |
| [04:54:09] | iamlindoro: | in essence, bad info in, bad info out |
| [04:54:15] | wagnerrp: | GIGO |
| [04:56:23] | wagnerrp: | we can answer your question, but we need to know what you want to use it for |
| [04:56:56] | psm321: | wagnerrp: my biggest problem was theres quite a few cheap SAS controller cards but no cheap SAS expanders (for certain definitions of cheap, I think the cheapest i found was 300-ish) |
| [04:57:04] | wagnerrp: | broadcast? cable? satellite? what country (atsc or dvb)? HD media playback? how many hours of recording space? |
| [04:57:06] | leprechau: | ehh who needs more than 8 ports on a home storage box anyways...especially when you can get 1.5TB seagate drives cheaper than hell if you are looking at $/GB |
| [04:57:15] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: me? |
| [04:57:34] | dsnyders: | Okay, I want to time shift regular TV channels off of cable (no HD or digital) and to store/playback ripped DVDs and video files. |
| [04:57:34] | leprechau: | you need more 10TB at home? |
| [04:57:47] | elprespufferfish: | that's not that unbelievable.. |
| [04:57:50] | ** wagnerrp points at iamlindoro ** | |
| [04:57:57] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [04:58:02] | leprechau: | lol |
| [04:58:05] | iamlindoro: | 22 Currently |
| [04:58:23] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: ive currently got just under 6 on the array, plus another 1.5 or so in other recording drives and other storage |
| [04:58:26] | wagnerrp: | and im nearly out |
| [04:58:39] | wagnerrp: | im pushing somewhere around 500GB total free across all of them |
| [04:59:19] | wagnerrp: | dsnyders: analog is easy... get an IVTV card (pvr-150/500) and be done with it |
| [04:59:42] | wagnerrp: | that lowly P3 is sufficient for playback, and anything better could probably manage realtime comm-flagging |
| [05:00:08] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, lol you keep too much stuff ;p |
| [05:00:50] | iamlindoro: | Not at all-- we both have content from HD-DVD/Blu ray |
| [05:01:02] | dsnyders: | comm-flagging==skipping commercials? |
| [05:01:04] | iamlindoro: | 5 Movies > 100 GB |
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| [05:01:42] | wagnerrp: | dsnyders: mythtv will run a batch job on recordings to try to find commercials |
| [05:02:05] | wagnerrp: | during playback, you have the option of automatically skipping them, being notified for manual skipping, or completely ignoring the scans |
| [05:02:40] | leprechau: | still 10TB even with bluray/hd-dvd you are talking 500+ movies |
| [05:02:45] | wagnerrp: | it is pretty good, but not perfect, so most users will opt for the second option |
| [05:03:08] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, Or television on Blu ray, which I have a boatload of |
| [05:03:24] | wagnerrp: | ive got about 40 so far, with another 200 or so DVDs |
| [05:03:26] | elprespufferfish: | somebody's made of money :p |
| [05:03:27] | iamlindoro: | I have 701 GB of LOST |
| [05:03:32] | wagnerrp: | and then several TB of recorded tv |
| [05:03:37] | leprechau: | lol |
| [05:03:44] | leprechau: | i don't keep anything that long |
| [05:03:44] | dsnyders: | Is 1G of RAM enough? |
| [05:03:50] | leprechau: | i watch it once or twice then delete it |
| [05:03:53] | wagnerrp: | dsnyders: should be, yes |
| [05:04:04] | iamlindoro: | dsnyders, For most people, yes, but ram is super cheap, 2 or 4 will cost you next to nothing |
| [05:04:16] | leprechau: | after two times watching something it's boring |
| [05:04:31] | psm321: | leprechau: me. |
| [05:04:49] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, Well, that's how *you* work. I like to have my library at hand in any room/frontend and never have to touch a disk. So that's how *I* work. |
| [05:05:00] | psm321: | iamlindoro: nice, have you described your setup somewhere? |
| [05:05:06] | iamlindoro: | psm321, not really |
| [05:05:11] | wagnerrp: | i have two friends who were in a competition, they were both well over 700 DVDs each |
| [05:05:28] | wagnerrp: | one got married... so that was pretty much the end of that |
| [05:05:35] | leprechau: | lol |
| [05:05:44] | psm321: | iamlindoro: i'm curious how you managed to get 22tb... is it all in one system? SAS? |
| [05:05:51] | leprechau: | i couldn't even name 100DVDs much less 700 |
| [05:06:14] | iamlindoro: | psm321, a motherboard w/ 10 SATA ports, and a 1x PSIe SATA board w/ 8 ports, 11 occupied w/ 2 TB drives |
| [05:06:18] | iamlindoro: | er PCIe |
| [05:06:56] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: which card? |
| [05:07:02] | psm321: | hmm, whats the 8 port board? i couldnt find any that were all internal (i found 4+4 or 6+2 i think) |
| [05:07:25] | psm321: | as for 2tb drives, i cant bring myself to spend that much on them when 1.5 are so much cheaper |
| [05:07:26] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, erm... I haven't looked at it in ages-- one of the rocketraid cards I think |
| [05:07:50] | wagnerrp: | ah, so cheapish softraid card |
| [05:07:55] | psm321: | i think thats one of my problems... i avoid looking at raid cards cause i hate paying for functionality i dont want |
| [05:08:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, it's all mdadm anyway |
| [05:08:22] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, lol you should have just bought an xfire 4500 |
| [05:08:35] | kormoc: | psm321: here you go, 48 tb in 4u, http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i22732/4u-storage-server.php |
| [05:08:46] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: yeah, for like $20K |
| [05:08:55] | kormoc: | and I'm sure if you call them up, they'll toss 2tb drives in the 2u 24 drive systems |
| [05:09:45] | psm321: | kormoc: hehe, maybe if i win friday's mega millions :-P |
| [05:10:03] | wagnerrp: | psm321: yeah... is that setting some sort of record? |
| [05:10:05] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, lol well if you got 22TB in your house already price is obviously not an object |
| [05:10:11] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen it over $300M before |
| [05:10:24] | psm321: | i dont think so, hold on |
| [05:10:34] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: it's not, if noone wins, next round will be a record, but not quite yet |
| [05:10:53] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: that amount of storage and a system to hold it can be had for <$3K |
| [05:11:17] | psm321: | kormoc: actually that looks like it might be good as an all-in-one myth backend with the 6 pci slots, lots of ram capacity and what i can only assume are good cpus |
| [05:11:39] | kormoc: | psm321: aye, as long as you have some place to toss it, cause it's *loud* |
| [05:11:49] | psm321: | you have one? :) |
| [05:12:01] | kormoc: | heh, nah, although I used a few when I worked at SiMech |
| [05:12:14] | kormoc: | we used a pair for our burn image holding and datastore |
| [05:12:56] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, lol no way in hell 12 x 2TB drives will cost you at least $3500 if you get good disks or at least that ball park |
| [05:13:25] | wagnerrp: | closer to $2500 |
| [05:13:31] | psm321: | leprechau: 1.5tb drives can be had for under $100 each |
| [05:13:35] | leprechau: | lol what drive are you buying? |
| [05:13:43] | wagnerrp: | however 24 1TB disks can be had for well under $2000 |
| [05:13:44] | psm321: | cheap ones |
| [05:13:45] | leprechau: | 2TBs are 250 minimum |
| [05:13:54] | wagnerrp: | no, they are regularly around 200 |
| [05:13:59] | kormoc: | nah, they're $200 |
| [05:14:02] | wagnerrp: | and occasionally under |
| [05:14:03] | leprechau: | where? |
| [05:14:07] | wagnerrp: | the internets |
| [05:14:13] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . =353%3A13499 |
| [05:14:30] | kormoc: | $199, $209, and $219 |
| [05:14:53] | leprechau: | lol OEMs ... im not paying 200 for anything that doesn't have a 5 year warranty |
| [05:15:00] | kormoc: | regular price, and with newegg's $15 off the other day |
| [05:15:08] | kormoc: | leprechau: OEM's have standard warranty |
| [05:15:19] | wagnerrp: | all of those drives have at least a 3yr warranty |
| [05:15:23] | psm321: | leprechau: you keep laughing while we get lots of storage |
| [05:15:31] | wagnerrp: | my turnover on my last two arrays is less than that |
| [05:15:41] | psm321: | wagnerrp: i think seagate still offers 5yr on retail (not sure tho), and 3yr on oem |
| [05:15:52] | kormoc: | leprechau: Seagate retail is 3 years, same as the oem, the WD (the $219 is) is a 5 year, same as the retail 5 year |
| [05:16:01] | leprechau: | psm321, yeah they do offer 5yr on retail |
| [05:16:11] | leprechau: | and so does WD on the blacks |
| [05:16:26] | psm321: | 3yr is good enough for me... they'll have 5tb drives by then anyway :) |
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| [05:16:53] | psm321: | i have an excess of was-big-a-few-years-ago-but-now-too-small drives already |
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| [05:17:15] | wagnerrp: | and by the time there are 5TB drives... well probably have something new we can fill them with |
| [05:17:29] | psm321: | leprechau: plus, you can actually get the 1.5tb's for under 100 retail pretty often |
| [05:17:31] | leprechau: | lol $3500 is around a used car price...not a 1 year raid system price |
| [05:17:54] | kormoc: | you know, I'm amused that you're physically laughing out loud in your house over that |
| [05:18:01] | psm321: | not sure where you keep getting that 3500 price from |
| [05:18:04] | leprechau: | i actually am |
| [05:18:05] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: its a hobby |
| [05:18:05] | psm321: | and yeah, thats a lot of laughing |
| [05:18:09] | wagnerrp: | no hobby is cheap |
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| [05:18:29] | kormoc: | especially when all my data is backed up at least 3 times, that's when it gets really costly |
| [05:18:30] | leprechau: | well there is a difference between cheap and excessive |
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| [05:18:58] | kormoc: | Given I spend at least 5k every other year on just computers, a few k in storage doesn't seem a problem |
| [05:19:00] | leprechau: | anwyays...none of my business i don't guess |
| [05:19:12] | psm321: | leprechau: i know someone who will spend over $1000 on a camera lens. do i think its silly? sure... but thats what he likes to do |
| [05:19:43] | elprespufferfish: | $1000 isn't even that much for a lens :p |
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| [05:20:07] | leprechau: | it's just a bit on the silly side as far as im concerned....$3000 would be better served in the kids college funds than in a raid system |
| [05:20:21] | kormoc: | I don't have kids, nor do I plan to ever have kids |
| [05:20:31] | kormoc: | so putting it into my kid's college fund would be silly |
| [05:21:00] | kormoc: | and given I spend well more then 5k per year just on my car loan, I'd be putting way more then 3k into the fund if I had a kid anyway |
| [05:21:17] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing |
| [05:21:39] | iamlindoro: | not to mention it's profoundly rude to hop on the internet and pass judgment on what people do with their money for their hobby to unwind |
| [05:21:40] | wagnerrp: | the kind of person who is going to be putting $3K into a computer, is not the same person driving a $3K used card |
| [05:21:42] | wagnerrp: | car |
| [05:21:50] | leprechau: | well...that's part of the problem with the world today...the people that should be reproducing and increasing the sustenance of the gene pool are too busy with themselves while all the dumb asses party it up and have welfare babies |
| [05:22:26] | kormoc: | I much prefer my life the way it is, thank you very much |
| [05:22:32] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, lol i already said it was none of my business |
| [05:22:42] | iamlindoro: | and then went on talking shit |
| [05:22:49] | iamlindoro: | if it's not your business, butt out |
| [05:23:05] | leprechau: | wow getting a little hostile aren't we? |
| [05:23:19] | wagnerrp: | youre calling us foolish |
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| [05:23:36] | leprechau: | not foolish...just a bit out of touch with reality |
| [05:23:38] | iamlindoro: | no, I'm telling you in no uncertain terms I don't care to hear the opinion, and you've acknowledged it's none of your busness |
| [05:23:47] | iamlindoro: | so we agree that you should let it go |
| [05:23:54] | kormoc: | out of touch with reality? Wow... |
| [05:24:12] | kormoc: | Just cause I make a fairly decent living and don't plan to procreate, I'm out of touch with reality... |
| [05:24:40] | iamlindoro: | I work my balls off all week, devote 20+ hours a week to working out and charity, I'll spend my money on what I damn well please |
| [05:27:56] | psm321: | leprechau: do you use mythtv? |
| [05:28:51] | leprechau: | I'm not sure im allowed to talk anymore...but yes i do...just one box though nothing that extensive |
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| [05:34:36] | purserj: | hell I have three kids and would love to spend 3 grand on a storage system |
| [05:35:06] | purserj: | I would love to spend 10 grand on a complete myth/asterisk based home automation system |
| [05:35:45] | kormoc: | It's too bad you chose to have 3 kids then |
| [05:36:31] | purserj: | not really, I have different priorities, however one thing I don't do is judge others based on whether they want to have kids or not |
| [05:37:02] | psm321: | leprechau: you could be spending the time you spend watching tv for playing with your kids instead. how dare you spend time on such a frivolous thing? |
| [05:37:05] | psm321: | :) |
| [05:37:36] | leprechau: | lol...it's for my kids... 99% of my content is disney princess crap |
| [05:37:40] | purserj: | kormoc: one day I'll have enough money :) I just have to be patient |
| [05:38:06] | leprechau: | and totally spies/winx club/gummi bears/etc... |
| [05:38:44] | kormoc: | purserj: heh, once they get jobs, hit them up for the hardware ;) |
| [05:38:59] | elprespufferfish: | totally spies is still on? |
| [05:39:26] | purserj: | kormoc: that's the plan "I brought you into this world, the least you can do is buy me that 16 core box" |
| [05:39:50] | psm321: | what about the time youre spending chatting right now? :-P (my point is, you can never absolutely be focused on one thing... like a fun thought experiment if you believe in lots of charity... why not give all your money excpet the bare minimum needed for a crappy apartment+crappy food to charity? ... the point being that you need to take some money/time for yourself too or you'll burn out) |
| [05:41:58] | leprechau: | psm321, i never said you couldn't .... i just said it seemed a bit excessive |
| [05:42:19] | leprechau: | and just to be an ass...my kids are sleeping now...this is about the only time i get to myself |
| [05:42:38] | kormoc: | Everything is excessive, and nothing is excessive |
| [05:43:04] | purserj: | it's all relative, one mans obsession is anothers weekend interest |
| [05:43:29] | kormoc: | LIfe is excessive, the universe would run just fine without any life at all |
| [05:43:59] | psm321: | i'll admit i'd probably be better off spending less time on mythtv |
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| [05:44:04] | purserj: | it would be very boring though |
| [05:44:06] | psm321: | dont think i spend too much money though |
| [05:44:32] | kormoc: | purserj: I find physics quite interesting, live is just needlessly full of drama imho |
| [05:44:52] | purserj: | but drama is physics |
| [05:45:03] | purserj: | without physics you can't have life |
| [05:45:30] | kormoc: | but you can have physics without life, so it's not really valid to make the two intertwined ;P |
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| [05:46:52] | purserj: | ah but can you have the concept of physics without life? |
| [05:47:02] | purserj: | or is it just a bunch of stuff floating around |
| [05:51:03] | kormoc: | sure, the concept still exists, it's just that nothing could observe it |
| [05:51:04] | ** wagnerrp slaps purserj with a tree falling in the woods ** | |
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| [06:45:03] | elprespufferfish: | argh, mythtv-setup won't upgrade my db schema |
| [06:45:16] | wagnerrp: | yep, that happens |
| [06:46:26] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
| [06:47:36] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: pastebin log output, please? |
| [06:48:04] | elprespufferfish: | it seems to be the problem wagnerrp says |
| [06:48:30] | wagnerrp: | well sphery is the one that wrote that page |
| [06:48:32] | sphery: | any chance I could still see the output? |
| [06:48:45] | elprespufferfish: | man this wiki has so many words for 3am |
| [06:48:51] | sphery: | just want to make sure the detection is doing its job |
| [06:48:58] | elprespufferfish: | sure, backend or frontend |
| [06:49:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [06:49:19] | sphery: | right, whichever was upgrading the DB |
| [06:49:20] | elprespufferfish: | dunno if i'm logging that output |
| [06:49:33] | wagnerrp: | did you run it from the command line? |
| [06:49:38] | elprespufferfish: | no |
| [06:49:42] | sphery: | can redo it... mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee setup.log |
| [06:50:19] | elprespufferfish: | i dont suppose mythtv-setup just has a -l option? |
| [06:50:27] | wagnerrp: | not at current |
| [06:51:54] | elprespufferfish: | just a second |
| [06:52:07] | sphery: | thanks |
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| [06:54:14] | elprespufferfish: | redirecting output seems to be crushing my startup script for some reason |
| [06:54:17] | elprespufferfish: | and killing X |
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| [06:54:49] | sphery: | don't worry about it, then |
| [06:55:00] | sphery: | just thought if it was easy to get to, it would be nice to see it |
| [06:55:05] | sphery: | thanks, anyway |
| [06:55:28] | elprespufferfish: | sorry |
| [06:55:47] | sphery: | no need to be. thanks for trying, though |
| [06:55:53] | sphery: | sorry for wasting your time |
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| [07:00:17] | xevilstar: | anyone from norway or the northern countries ? |
| [07:00:30] | xevilstar: | got a tuning problem |
| [07:00:34] | elprespufferfish: | huzzah! |
| [07:00:37] | elprespufferfish: | i can get into mythtv-setup |
| [07:02:15] | elprespufferfish: | :q |
| [07:04:15] | elprespufferfish: | can't see anything...but it's progress |
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| [07:06:15] | sphery: | can't see anything as in you get a black box or get a screen with boxes but no text? |
| [07:07:28] | elprespufferfish: | as in the screen is overscanned |
| [07:07:30] | elprespufferfish: | nothing serious |
| [07:07:38] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [07:09:01] | elprespufferfish: | hmm, i must have done something wrong |
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| [07:09:06] | elprespufferfish: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement |
| [07:09:06] | elprespufferfish: | Database error was: |
| [07:09:06] | elprespufferfish: | Incorrect arguments to mysql_stmt_execute |
| [07:09:29] | xevilstar: | i would really like to have a channels.conf that could work for the mo i rana norway region |
| [07:10:05] | xevilstar: | on the mythtv channel scanner there is sweden finland but not norway |
| [07:11:50] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: your MySQL is broken |
| [07:11:54] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6683 |
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| [07:12:01] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: BTW, which distro? |
| [07:12:34] | elprespufferfish: | gentoo. reinstalling mysql |
| [07:12:45] | elprespufferfish: | im sure ive made a 'its-3am' error |
| [07:13:34] | sphery: | xevilstar: Does Norway actually use different channel assignments from both of them? |
| [07:13:50] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: it's generally caused by using too-agressive optimizations |
| [07:13:58] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, i'm not using aggressive opts at all |
| [07:14:36] | xevilstar: | sphery: both what ? |
| [07:15:00] | sphery: | Sweden and Finland |
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| [07:16:29] | xevilstar: | sphery: I dunno anything I have tried with sweden but got no tuning |
| [07:16:59] | sphery: | actually, it looks like both Sweden and Finland use the same for digital |
| [07:17:07] | sphery: | are you doing digital or analog? |
| [07:17:45] | sphery: | must be digital since we don't have either of them for analog |
| [07:19:10] | xevilstar: | sphery: my pinnacle nanostick is a dvb-t |
| [07:19:24] | xevilstar: | so I think digital |
| [07:20:01] | xevilstar: | when I was in italy my pinnacle was working |
| [07:20:08] | xevilstar: | so it cannot be the hw |
| [07:23:24] | sphery: | yeah, digital |
| [07:23:35] | sphery: | unfortunately, I don't think I'll be of any help |
| [07:24:04] | sphery: | other than to say you might want to try increasing your timeous and rescanning with either Sweden or Finland selected |
| [07:24:08] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [07:25:57] | xevilstar: | sphery: tried ... I wander if can be a problem of reception ... are there any provedtobethebest boosters on the shops today ? |
| [07:28:27] | xevilstar: | or any usb dvb-c sticks that does not require an engeneering master to be put to work under linux ? |
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| [07:34:45] | elprespufferfish: | huzzah, mythfrontend started! |
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| [07:52:31] | elprespufferfish: | oh man, i can't wait for an actual release of .22 |
| [07:55:34] | xevilstar: | elprespufferfish: I am downloading the svn |
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| [08:40:40] | AndyCap: | xevilstar: you've seen this right? http://www.norkring.no/upload/Kanaloversikt%2020.08.2008.htm |
| [08:41:12] | xevilstar: | no but thanks for the info |
| [08:41:21] | xevilstar: | how can I use it with mythtv ? |
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| [08:53:59] | AndyCap: | xevilstar: of course I can't seem to find the channel -> frequency list I had. :/ |
| [08:58:46] | AndyCap: | xevilstar: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/tuning/ here, center frequency. |
| [08:59:01] | xevilstar: | thanks i am going there now |
| [08:59:44] | juski: | see ubuntu are in the process of removing themes that won't be updated for 0.22 |
| [09:00:40] | juski: | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sourc . . . /+bug/420298 |
| [09:02:50] | ** Dibblah awaits all of the "MythTV broke my WAF" tickets. ** | |
| [09:03:07] | AndyCap: | xevilstar: as for the rest, this is what I had :INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_2_3:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_MOD E_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_8:HIERARCHY_NONE |
| [09:05:03] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: you mean divorce settlementts? |
| [09:05:40] | juski: | Dibblah: the thing is, I might've said I won't be continuing to develop the themes I did, they'll safely fall back to defaults where no -ui.xml has been made for mythui'd screens. There's more than enough documentation of mythui for anybody to have a shot |
| [09:06:19] | juski: | so as far as 0.22 is concerned, every theme currently working for 0.21 *will* work on 0.22 |
| [09:06:31] | laga: | oh, neat |
| [09:06:40] | Dibblah: | However, shhhh. |
| [09:06:59] | laga: | Dibblah: oops. i already quoted juski on that :) |
| [09:07:06] | Dibblah: | Maybe you can let them die a disgraceful death, like you've said many times you want to ;) |
| [09:08:05] | juski: | Dibblah: I've said a lot of things. I'm a bit of a c*ck sometimes. It'd still be a shame to pee away all my hard work – but at the same time it'd be understandable if I didn't want to continue developing them |
| [09:08:45] | Dibblah: | Indeed. I still use BT-wide, which appears to be one of your less favored creations. |
| [09:09:19] | juski: | I dont think we've seen the last of that one |
| [09:10:37] | juski: | it was always let down by the layout limitations in the old ui, but making it what it *should* (IMHO) be won't be a quick job |
| [09:10:58] | juski: | same with glass-wide really |
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| [09:14:07] | juski: | there certainly aren't enough hours in the day to continue working on that many themes and scratch all my other itches ;-) |
| [09:15:29] | juski: | I showed my wife mepo-wide the other day. She said she hated the colour scheme but found the text much easier to read. D-I-V-O-R-C-E ? |
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| [10:28:55] | ** sid3windr also uses bt-wide and wuvving it. ** | |
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| [12:23:59] | gbee: | so now WPA can be cracked in under a minute, hmm |
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| [13:03:08] | clever: | gbee: more info? |
| [13:04:03] | clever: | nvm |
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| [13:17:21] | mkrufky-gone: | i have a "honey pot" set up that will basically confuse the hell out of anybody that tries to get into my wireless network anyway |
| [13:17:57] | mkrufky-gone: | it has a stronger signal than my real wifi, and it lets you think you successfully connected, and it will let you think your pings reply extremely quickly on any ip |
| [13:18:04] | mkrufky-gone: | but all requests really go to /del/null |
| [13:18:48] | mkrufky-gone: | for the regular wardriver, it looks more attractive than any other hotspot in the area, but it actually just sucks away their time, to the point that they'll simply drive away and look for another network |
| [13:19:14] | mkrufky-gone: | oops, but im "gone" now ... be back in a few hours |
| [13:20:44] | gbee: | mkrufky-gone: that's just mean |
| [13:21:45] | laga: | i'm sure he owns a white cat and has some evil super villain laughter |
| [13:22:00] | AndyCap: | there are meaner things to do with people mooching internet from you without asking |
| [13:29:56] | gbee: | AndyCap: if you leave a wireless access point open, that implies you want others to use it |
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| [13:31:18] | gbee: | now how am I going to fix the broken ondemand governor in ubuntu? :/ |
| [13:31:37] | AndyCap: | gbee: no it doesn't. you're assuming that the person with the AP has any clue at all. :) |
| [13:32:38] | gbee: | AndyCap: it does, it can't work any other way – how would you tell the open access points from the unsecured ones otherwise? |
| [13:34:02] | gbee: | all access points these days come with clear warnings/instructions, those supplied by ISPs come with WPA2 enabled by default |
| [13:34:36] | elprespufferfish: | whaaat? |
| [13:34:36] | elprespufferfish: | that's a stretch |
| [13:34:43] | gbee: | actually that probably goes for access points sold over the counter too, at least from some manufacturers |
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| [13:58:59] | jya: | I'm very safe here with my wireless access ; both my neighbours have open wifi .. Told them a few times ; they still don't do anything... |
| [14:01:16] | juski: | there's a huge 'FREE WIFI' network around here somewhere. Damned if I'll be lured into using it ;-) |
| [14:01:44] | dubstar_04: | is a NVIDIA 9400GT 512MB ok for VDPAU or would it be under powered? |
| [14:02:01] | juski: | wireless only gives me the convenience to surf the web from my couch. I can't actually *do* anything else with it in linux, even in the same room as the router :( |
| [14:03:22] | juski: | silly loonix driver. Get great speeds in windows, enough to stream video anywhere in the house. but in linux, forget it. I think only mp3s work – not much use to me since my collection is all flac now |
| [14:05:11] | gbee: | juski: I'd use it, but like most open wifi, only with vpn or ssh |
| [14:06:12] | juski: | heh I need to get around to trying http over ssh |
| [14:07:09] | dubstar_04: | has anyone had any joy with hdmi audio recently? |
| [14:07:18] | juski: | I've had to disable port 80 recently, bloody intrusion attempts hammering my box |
| [14:08:15] | gbee: | dubstar_04: ? |
| [14:09:31] | dubstar_04: | gbee: when I last tried hdmi audio was very problematic |
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| [14:11:13] | gbee: | dubstar_04: always worked just fine here, initial config can be a pain but beyond that |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | might be problematic if you have more than one audio device in your system & they keep changing order at bootup |
| [14:13:08] | juski: | now *that* would be a pain |
| [14:14:10] | dubstar_04: | its all onboard but thee is a jack, sony/phillips, and the hdmi |
| [14:15:33] | dubstar_04: | in all honesty I think I plugged it in, it didn't work so I never bothered again, but my surround sound is starting to play up so I might need it soon. |
| [14:16:05] | juski: | I remember sitting for 20 hours straight trying to get my epia's audio to play ball in ubuntu |
| [14:16:10] | juski: | never again |
| [14:16:24] | dubstar_04: | is there a defacto card for vdpau? or any 9*00 GT? |
| [14:16:52] | juski: | after a certain point there's no merit in buying a more expensive card. I can never remember what that point is |
| [14:16:59] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [14:17:15] | jduggan: | with hardware its usually best to get the best that you can afford |
| [14:17:17] | jduggan: | IMO |
| [14:17:29] | dubstar_04: | ha ha, well ive been made redundant so, money is a limiting factor now. |
| [14:17:31] | Dibblah: | Depends on your power budget as well. |
| [14:17:41] | jduggan: | true |
| [14:17:44] | jduggan: | dubstar_04: sucks :( |
| [14:17:47] | juski: | yeah, but even then... who'd *really* need a £400 graphics card for a mythtv frontend which isn't gonna be doing anything else? |
| [14:18:22] | jduggan: | justifiably afford |
| [14:18:54] | juski: | after being burned by a £150 ATI AIW card, I vowed to never spend that much ever again on one device |
| [14:18:54] | dubstar_04: | I have seen various 9400 Gt 512mb cards at sub £40, but no fanless units |
| [14:19:05] | jduggan: | heh |
| [14:19:12] | jduggan: | ive never spent more than about 60quid on a graphics card |
| [14:19:28] | juski: | dubstar_04: spend another £30 on wood & make a nice cabinet & run cables in from another room :) |
| [14:20:23] | dubstar_04: | juski: ummm... |
| [14:21:39] | juski: | jya: btw, I owe you an apology. May aswell say this in public. Congratulations on your promotion :) I don't really know where my rude outburst came from on Monday but it wasn't a good day |
| [14:22:37] | jya: | never mind... I never really understood the hatred for putting vdpau on 0.21 ... |
| [14:23:27] | juski: | sometimes people can be too precious about things that don't even interest of affect them I guess |
| [14:23:34] | jya: | which is I assume where it came from, provided we never really discussed |
| [14:23:40] | dubstar_04: | I bought a Abit ANM2HD thinking it would last a while, ive had 18 months out of it without adding any extras so its not too bad. |
| [14:24:19] | jya: | I bought a mighty machine purely for finally playing HD properly ; only to see VDPAU released 2 weeks later |
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| [14:24:36] | dubstar_04: | All in favour of a 9400 GT say aye! |
| [14:24:52] | juski: | I'd *love* VDPAU to be everything it's cracked up to be, but I'm a natural born doubter |
| [14:25:17] | jya: | because not even my 2.66 C2D could play the HD trailers of Terminator Salvation |
| [14:25:29] | dubstar_04: | juski: are you saying leave it? |
| [14:25:33] | jya: | (which turned out to be a crap movie anyway) |
| [14:26:12] | jya: | I think VDPAU is everything it was supposed to be, and even better, cause the deinterlacer are fantastic... |
| [14:26:19] | Dibblah: | When a franchise gets to xxx- 04, it's generally useless anyway. |
| [14:26:24] | jya: | too bad, I had to turn off VDPAU since I moved everything to trunk last week |
| [14:26:32] | juski: | yeah if nothing else the video rendering & deinterlacing will be a big boon |
| [14:26:50] | Dibblah: | Only issue I have is that it's brittle with mildly corrupt recordings :( |
| [14:27:07] | jya: | they've improved heaps with 180.60 |
| [14:27:12] | juski: | Dibblah: STBs have a tendency to be like that too, but I wonder if it's to the same extent |
| [14:27:30] | Dibblah: | They tend to restart without a cold boot, though. |
| [14:27:43] | juski: | I thought lockups were history now |
| [14:27:48] | jya: | lots of STBs use hardware decoding just the same ... |
| [14:27:58] | Gav8in: | jya, i'm having some trouble getting VDPAU to work with a 1080i output |
| [14:28:04] | Gav8in: | but yes, VDPAU is very nice |
| [14:28:06] | juski: | jya: I've yet to see an STB that uses software decoding ;-) |
| [14:28:49] | jya: | all the ones I've seen use a PPC base core, don't have the reference with me now |
| [14:29:07] | jya: | Gav8in: what's with you 1080i problem? |
| [14:29:24] | anykey_: | Gav8in: stuttering on BBC HD? |
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| [14:29:31] | Gav8in: | beats me, i'm not so sharp. I can't get xrandr with myth to pick my 1080i modeline for 1080i content |
| [14:29:34] | juski: | heh – no way even an 800Mhz RISC CPU could have a go playing back h.264 HD I'd bet |
| [14:29:54] | Gav8in: | and when i switch manually, i still see tearing. I haven't taken a large amount of time on this yet |
| [14:30:04] | Gav8in: | mostly i'm just watching US OTA |
| [14:30:14] | jya: | your TV is a 1080i set? |
| [14:30:22] | wagnerrp: | i thought POWER was a CISC architecture |
| [14:30:25] | Gav8in: | well, i am trying to feed 1080i to it to let the TV deinterlace |
| [14:30:47] | jya: | what video card do you have? |
| [14:30:57] | Gav8in: | the idea was: for 1080i content, let the TV deinterlace, for anything else, run 1080p and software deint as needed |
| [14:31:01] | wagnerrp: | and still, theres no way a POWER chip would manage anything HD at that frequency either |
| [14:31:04] | Gav8in: | i have an NVidia Ion |
| [14:31:20] | jya: | PPC is a risc architecture |
| [14:31:22] | clever: | gbee: http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2008/11/wpa-cracked.ars/2 |
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| [14:31:47] | jya: | 32 registers, very nice to program |
| [14:31:47] | Gav8in: | I read through some of Mark Kendall's posts on interlaced output, he was trying at this a while back. |
| [14:32:10] | jya: | why let the TV deinterlace? the ion is very capable |
| [14:32:28] | jya: | and you'll have heaps less problem, it's a pain to get the nvidia to properly output 1080i |
| [14:32:36] | jya: | you need to define the modelines manually |
| [14:32:46] | Gav8in: | the output is really good, the modelines i wrote worked perfectly the first time |
| [14:32:52] | wagnerrp: | huh... was looking at the POWER7 the other day, and could of sworn i read CISC |
| [14:32:53] | wagnerrp: | guess i was wrong |
| [14:33:10] | juski: | wouldn't be surprised if VDPAU's deint was at least as good as most flat panel TVs |
| [14:33:13] | Gav8in: | the problem i'm having is getting myth to sync to the frame rate properly, and getting xrandr to distinguish the modelines |
| [14:33:43] | jya: | you're using trunk or 0.21? |
| [14:33:45] | juski: | even with interlaced output isn't there still the problem of getting the field order right? |
| [14:33:51] | Gav8in: | juski: yup! |
| [14:33:55] | Gav8in: | that's what i'm talkin' about! |
| [14:34:05] | jduggan: | does vdpau allow more than oen stream to be decoded yet? |
| [14:34:06] | Gav8in: | jya: trunk, as of ~48hrs ago |
| [14:34:08] | juski: | FWIW I'd just let the card do it |
| [14:34:19] | wagnerrp: | jduggan: the chip supports it, VDPAU does not |
| [14:34:29] | Gav8in: | when i do get it right having the TV do it, it's _super_ sharp |
| [14:34:30] | jya: | ok, you need to know the limitation of the field order deinterlacer |
| [14:34:35] | Gav8in: | that's what tempts me |
| [14:34:40] | jduggan: | wagnerrp: yup, but theyre working on that right? |
| [14:34:43] | jya: | you can't do any scaling ; |
| [14:35:16] | jya: | yeah: it's one of the "soon to come" feature of vdpau ... |
| [14:35:35] | juski: | Gav8in: must be a good teevee then. A lot I've seen were useless at deinterlacing |
| [14:35:44] | jduggan: | my toshiba sucks @ deint |
| [14:35:45] | jduggan: | :) |
| [14:35:45] | jya: | Gav8in: I would try using the native resolution of your screen, let myth/vdpau do the deinterlacer |
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| [14:35:58] | juski: | even my inlaws' £1500 Sony model is poo |
| [14:36:32] | jya: | because unless you're playing 1080i all the time, as soon as you'llbe watching a SD channel, the field order will be useless |
| [14:36:50] | jya: | my Sony 46X3100 does a great job ... it's flawless |
| [14:37:00] | Gav8in: | jya, yeah. that's where xrandr comes in; switch to 1080p modeline when showing anything not at 1920x1080 |
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| [14:37:16] | wagnerrp: | jduggan: dont know about that, ive heard rumors, but nothing significant |
| [14:37:16] | Gav8in: | but ultimately, you're right. i can prolly run temporal 2x or advanced 1x and be happy |
| [14:37:32] | jya: | well, the reeason you can't select 1080i in the available resolution in mythtv , is my fault |
| [14:37:50] | jya: | i remove deinterlaced refresh rate from the list ... |
| [14:38:05] | Gav8in: | ahhh. foiled me again! |
| [14:38:29] | wagnerrp: | somehow, i seem to have not gotten a commit email for 21562 |
| [14:38:32] | juski: | heh -users list 'why did you pick mythtv instead of one of the 'other DVRs' ?'. Er.. what OTHER DVRs? |
| [14:38:53] | jya: | cause mythtv is unable to make the difference at the time the video is displayed between a video at 25Hz progressive or 50Hz interlaced |
| [14:39:23] | juski: | jya: and those streams which seem to swap between scan types are a royal PITA too |
| [14:39:33] | jya: | however, if you disable Dynamic Twinview |
| [14:39:37] | juski: | encoding 'optimisation'. Bah |
| [14:39:51] | jya: | then I won't filter the refresh rates.. |
| [14:39:57] | Gav8in: | ah, thanks. |
| [14:40:06] | Gav8in: | so I'll see a 30Hz entry in there? excellent. |
| [14:40:14] | jya: | when you have dynamic twinview activated, the refresh rates are reported by the system as 50, 51, 52 etc... |
| [14:40:18] | wagnerrp: | that, plus trac seems borked currently... other otherwise bogged down |
| [14:40:33] | Gav8in: | jya, yeah, i read through that code and the realRates map, etc..., i saw that |
| [14:40:53] | Gav8in: | i was quite surprised when myth xrandr's config actually undid the nvidia xrandr twinview breakage |
| [14:40:58] | Gav8in: | well done |
| [14:41:25] | jya: | while I can retrieve the data to know if a refresh rate is progressive or not ; I can't (yet) make the distinction between 50i and 25p ; so I preferred to completely bypass the system for the time being |
| [14:41:26] | Gav8in: | Mark Kendall suggested that one approach is when showing 1080 content, start with a progressive modeline, but then go interlaced at the first sign of interlaced content |
| [14:41:38] | Gav8in: | back in march, he said he was hacking at a patch, but never submitted it that i saw |
| [14:41:59] | jya: | the whole MythDisplay class needs to be rewritten I think |
| [14:42:18] | jya: | to handle specifically that case ... I have a few videos here that are 25p |
| [14:42:23] | Gav8in: | i can't speak to that, i'm still doing a lot of surveying. |
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| [14:43:01] | jya: | so for the time being, disable dynamic twinview |
| [14:43:02] | Gav8in: | however, the xrandr stuff is mood, because when showing 1080i content, i still can't get fields to sync up well |
| [14:43:10] | Gav8in: | s/mood/moot/ |
| [14:43:16] | jya: | you'll get access to the interlaced content, as it disable nvctrl |
| [14:43:39] | jya: | exactly why I decided to not wait and commit what I had |
| [14:43:57] | jya: | because even if I supported it, it would be broken somewhere down the line |
| [14:44:33] | jya: | the downside if you disable dyn twinview: you'll be limited to integer refresh rate |
| [14:44:41] | Gav8in: | And my frontend says "Failed to enable deinterlacing" for Bob2x, prolly 'cuz it's comparing bob2xs 60hz output to my 30hz frame rate |
| [14:44:44] | jya: | so no more distinction between 23.976 and 24Hz |
| [14:45:12] | Gav8in: | i can't refresh at 23.976 or 24. My only hope for progressive films is to telecine them, send them interlaced, and have my TV pulldown |
| [14:45:24] | jya: | hum... that may be because your TV return something like 59.97 instead.. |
| [14:45:32] | jya: | 30Hz really is 29.97 |
| [14:46:02] | Gav8in: | my TV just don't sync to vrefresh under 58Hz |
| [14:46:07] | jya: | can't remember how it rounds stuff ; some leeway was added, but it can still be an issue |
| [14:46:23] | Gav8in: | so for movies, 71.9mumblemumble is my hope, but wait, my dot clock limit on the tv is 150MHz, so that's no good |
| [14:46:23] | jya: | is that a 768 panel ? |
| [14:46:28] | Gav8in: | no, it's 1920x180 |
| [14:46:47] | Gav8in: | hsync 30kHz-68kHz, vsync 58Hz-72Hz, pixel clock max 150MHz |
| [14:46:49] | jya: | you're bothering for nothing IMHO then |
| [14:47:08] | jya: | vdpau will do just as good job as your TV, without the hassle |
| [14:47:25] | Gav8in: | i suspect you're right |
| [14:47:29] | jya: | and the adjust refresh rate would work perfectly then |
| [14:47:49] | Gav8in: | you mean the openGL vsync-matching thingy? |
| [14:47:50] | juski: | 1920x180? That's one thin display ;-) |
| [14:47:56] | jya: | and give you total control of what refresh rate you have |
| [14:48:08] | juski: | is that some not-yet-seen cinema aspect ratio? :D |
| [14:48:29] | jya: | it's not OpenGL based at all ; and with vdpau it's not necessary |
| [14:48:39] | Gav8in: | oh, what is this adjust refresh rate thing? |
| [14:48:50] | jya: | opengl v-sync actually crash with nvidia 190.xx drivers |
| [14:49:18] | jya: | when you play a video, if your TV reports a refresh rate that match the framerate of your video, mythtv will use it |
| [14:49:30] | elprespufferfish: | hooboy. time to figure out how to pass a size and offset to mplayer |
| [14:49:35] | Gav8in: | ah, in xrandr. gotya. |
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| [14:49:43] | jya: | so if your TV says it supports 24Hz ; when you watch a BD rip etc: bang it switch to 24hz |
| [14:49:50] | Gav8in: | well, but i can't run at 24Hz or 48Hz.... Alas. |
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| [14:50:17] | jya: | surprising a full-hd set not supporting 24hz |
| [14:50:24] | jya: | how old is your TV? |
| [14:50:27] | Gav8in: | it's just 58Hz-72Hz. |
| [14:50:39] | Gav8in: | my wife got it for me for christmas 2006 |
| [14:50:42] | jya: | is it a TV or a PC monitor? |
| [14:50:57] | Gav8in: | it's a TV monitor; Westinghouse 37w3 |
| [14:51:03] | jya: | 72Hz in 1920x1080? that would be over 150MHz |
| [14:51:17] | Gav8in: | yeah, so no good. it's about 162Hz with the most reducing blanking you can do |
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| [14:51:26] | jya: | damn, wives never do the reading prior purchae |
| [14:51:36] | Gav8in: | it's my fault, i told her the model |
| [14:51:40] | Gav8in: | she's innocent here |
| [14:51:43] | gbee: | even if my TV supported more than a single refresh, it takes way too long to switch between modes |
| [14:51:51] | jya: | did you try with stating explicitely the modelines? |
| [14:51:59] | jya: | I wrote something about it... |
| [14:52:02] | jya: | hold a sec |
| [14:52:19] | Gav8in: | jya, no, i haven't tried that yet. i will, the rates I'm telling you are the limits reported in EDID, and not the results of my experiments |
| [14:52:44] | jya: | just ignore the EDID , according to my sony, when with HDMI, it only supports 60Hz |
| [14:52:51] | Gav8in: | i wish in the xrandr thing i could just pick the modelines by name, but the abstraction used doesn't allow that |
| [14:52:53] | jya: | yes, I can feed anything |
| [14:53:28] | jya: | I display the refresh rate : that I calculate based on the modeline |
| [14:53:44] | jya: | actually, I could show the name there ; wouldn't be too difficult |
| [14:53:52] | Gav8in: | then i'll ignore the edid and see what I can do. the TV will pulldown 1080i content, so one path that might work for 24fps material is to telecine it, play at 60i, TV deints and pullup. however, i suspect that's too complicated and fragile to actually work |
| [14:54:04] | jya: | here it is: |
| [14:54:05] | jya: | http://www.avenard.org/media/Patches_%26_Add- . . . h_rates.html |
| [14:54:24] | gbee: | well that would mean mine supports more than 60Hz, but I can't be bothered to mess with modelines, had enough of that shit – EDID all the way |
| [14:55:01] | Gav8in: | funny thing about modelines: the mythtv modeline database has modlines that cause mythfrontend to segfault on startup |
| [14:55:17] | Gav8in: | like, actually, _most_ of the atsc modelines on mythtv.org crash mythfrontend on startup on nvidia hw |
| [14:55:37] | jya: | what's a mythtv modeline database? |
| [14:55:37] | Gav8in: | thanks for the link jya. |
| [14:55:55] | Gav8in: | this wiki page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database |
| [14:56:03] | gbee: | jya: just some wiki page where armchair 'experts' fill out their favourite modelines |
| [14:56:31] | jya: | ah ok, I thought it was in a code.. some secret mysterious code I missed |
| [14:56:48] | Gav8in: | heh, nope. |
| [14:56:51] | Gav8in: | this modeline: ModeLine "ATSC-720–72p" 89.1 1280 1296 1360 1650 720 722 728 750 |
| [14:57:00] | Gav8in: | if you use that with nvidia hw, crashy frontendy |
| [14:57:11] | gbee: | page should carry a warning "MythTV accepts no liability for damage to your TV caused by using the modelines found here" |
| [14:57:15] | jya: | if you could post a backtrace |
| [14:57:18] | jya: | it makes no sense |
| [14:57:24] | Gav8in: | jya, i found the bug and submitted it already |
| [14:57:44] | jya: | though with trunk, when I start mythfrontend it crashes many many times before it finally starts |
| [14:57:44] | Gav8in: | ticket 6926. it's funny! |
| [14:58:01] | jya: | even created a shell script to start mythtv, could segfault 20 times before it finally starts |
| [14:58:06] | jya: | always in libGL.so |
| [14:58:23] | Gav8in: | basically some code is too smart by half going through nvidia's modeline lists, and the -\d pattern in the modeline makes it think that modeline is ATSC, it strips the -720.... stuff as being position info |
| [14:58:36] | Gav8in: | it can't find a modeline named ATSC, that leads to eventually dereferencing null |
| [14:58:42] | jya: | damn, 1AM already, my wife expects me to go to the toy market tomorrow at 8 ... |
| [14:59:05] | jya: | trac is down again it seems |
| [14:59:22] | Gav8in: | good night jya |
| [14:59:32] | Gav8in: | it's 11am, i oughta start workign |
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| [15:02:17] | jduggan: | its 4pm, i oughta start working |
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| [15:07:08] | elprespufferfish: | i just reinstalled mythtv and now mythfrontend is taking up 100% cpu :0 |
| [15:07:21] | juski: | using the GANT theme? |
| [15:07:58] | elprespufferfish: | yes |
| [15:08:35] | juski: | got opengl working on your box – i.e. not software emulated |
| [15:08:59] | juski: | if not, make it so & it should perform better :) |
| [15:09:05] | elprespufferfish: | glxinfo says direct rendering: yes |
| [15:09:09] | elprespufferfish: | what else should i check? |
| [15:09:36] | juski: | try running mythfrontend with the qt painter (i.e. with -O ThemePainter=qt ) or try a different theme |
| [15:09:59] | elprespufferfish: | i switched to minimalist-widescreen and it seems to be fine |
| [15:10:32] | juski: | G.A.N.T. has a mythtv logo image which is alpha pulsed – i.e. it fades in & out against the menu background |
| [15:10:58] | elprespufferfish: | ah. |
| [15:11:08] | juski: | that can cause high cpu usage if gl is poorly performing – which is odd because the alphapulsed image isn't actually that big |
| [15:11:48] | juski: | if you're set on using GANT for whatever reason, find the 'alphapulse' definition in the theme & comment it out |
| [15:12:26] | elprespufferfish: | im fine with minimalist |
| [15:13:03] | juski: | it's in G.A.N.T/base.xml – put <!-- before <imagetype name="logo"> and --> *after* the first </imagetype> after that |
| [15:13:09] | juski: | :) |
| [15:13:12] | elprespufferfish: | thanks though :D |
| [15:13:15] | elprespufferfish: | time to figure out LCDd |
| [15:13:16] | jya: | Gosh , was reading the news, found that picture... |
| [15:13:17] | jya: | http://d13.zedo.com/OzoDB/r/c/618281/V1/56.jpg |
| [15:13:42] | jya: | top is of a pregnant girl, not fat at all... but a diet make you tan, and "unpregnant" |
| [15:14:11] | juski: | and the one easy diet rule is, cut down on the cupcakes honey ;-) |
| [15:14:35] | wagnerrp: | we were discussing those kinds of images at work a couple days ago |
| [15:14:49] | juski: | I wonder whose holiday snaps they are.. |
| [15:14:50] | jya: | what got her in that state is a different kind of cupcakes :) |
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| [15:15:09] | wagnerrp: | we were trying to decide whether the person in the top image could actually become the person in the bottom image, without having surgery to cut out the excess skin |
| [15:15:09] | elprespufferfish: | holy crap its hard to tell if options are toggled with this theme |
| [15:15:19] | wagnerrp: | jya: sure... but it was still cream filled |
| [15:15:32] | jya: | ohh, that's gross |
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| [15:17:07] | wagnerrp: | there was one where they claimed 50lbs, but the top person was easly 300lbs more than the bottom person |
| [15:17:24] | wagnerrp: | and that area of skin just doesnt go away on its own |
| [15:17:40] | wagnerrp: | not in any sensible time frame anyway |
| [15:17:44] | jya: | the girl on the particular photo doesn't have much fat |
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| [15:18:33] | jya: | just got a 7lbs tumour |
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| [15:19:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and a bunch of fat to sustain it |
| [15:19:33] | jya: | what? ever seen a pregnant girl? that girl doesn't even have love handle |
| [15:19:42] | jya: | look at her forearms, they are skinny |
| [15:20:13] | juski: | right. no more swotting up on opengl in an attempt to glean a clue today. I swear I dreamed of code last night |
| [15:20:57] | wagnerrp: | your body build up a large store of fat as a reserve |
| [15:21:09] | wagnerrp: | if it drops below a certain (relatively high) amount, it terminates |
| [15:21:34] | juski: | maybe I should just go back to the original plan – i.e. try & implement the mythimage effects we have _now_ , in the painters. on Monday or so |
| [15:21:56] | wagnerrp: | a pregnant woman gains far more weight than just the baby |
| [15:23:03] | wagnerrp: | thats not to say you dont lose most of it afterwards... |
| [15:23:13] | jya: | sure, what I'm saying is that the girl at the top isn't overweight... but those idiots can't even recognise the shape of a stomach |
| [15:23:38] | juski: | anybody stupid enough to fall for any kind of 'smart plan' deserves to fail IMHO |
| [15:23:53] | jya: | svn.mythtv.org web server is down again... |
| [15:24:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it was being slow and unresponsive about half an hour ago |
| [15:24:20] | wagnerrp: | guess it finally tanked |
| [15:24:22] | juski: | unless said plan actually *is* a good idea.. which I doubt many of them are. Losing weight is a lifestyle change, not a 'diet' |
| [15:24:30] | jya: | at least svn+ssh works ... |
| [15:24:38] | jya: | so it's just the web server |
| [15:24:49] | jya: | it has happened a few times lately |
| [15:25:04] | juski: | wonder if the release will get the server slashdotted to hell this time around |
| [15:26:12] | elprespufferfish: | argh, forgot how to get mythmusic to actually pagedown, not fastforward |
| [15:26:56] | elprespufferfish: | success! |
| [15:27:05] | juski: | time to don waterproofs & take the dog for his constitutional |
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| [15:34:59] | elprespufferfish: | mythgallery feel slow switching images to anybody else? |
| [15:37:12] | iamlindoro: | not here |
| [15:37:33] | elprespufferfish: | any suggestions? it's always been slow for me |
| [15:38:18] | wagnerrp: | slow network? slow disk? very large images? |
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| [15:39:06] | elprespufferfish: | local images, disk should be fast enough. they're somewhat large, but it still feels slow for thier size |
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| [15:43:45] | jamiem: | iamlindoro: thanks anyway |
| [15:43:48] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:44:15] | jamiem: | someone had a neato script that replaced modules for vbox/kvm/etc. |
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| [15:50:45] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: You have OpenGL transitions enabled and a card without (sufficient) OpenGL support (for your screen size)? |
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| [15:51:26] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: i.e. using a GF4MX440 at 1920x1080 would do that, or using a card without drivers that support OpenGL at any resolution |
| [15:51:44] | elprespufferfish: | i don't have Use OpenGL transisitions toggled |
| [15:51:46] | wagnerrp: | *can* you run an MX440 at 1920x1080? |
| [15:51:59] | wagnerrp: | it certainly wont run digital at that resolution |
| [15:52:06] | wagnerrp: | but can you even get it to run analog at that? |
| [15:52:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep, I did it for quite some time (with GL transitions disabled in MG and Goom set to extremely small in MM) |
| [15:53:05] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: then if everything is working properly, it's loading and scaling the images that's "slow" |
| [15:54:33] | elprespufferfish: | so nothing i can do about it then? |
| [15:54:40] | elprespufferfish: | because it's about 3 seconds between click and display |
| [15:55:08] | sphery: | could still be an overly slow video card... |
| [15:55:30] | elprespufferfish: | this video card has given me nothing but trouble |
| [15:55:33] | sphery: | with my GF4MX440, it was /very/ slow--mainly because the VRAM on it was extremely slow compared to modern |
| [15:55:47] | elprespufferfish: | it's a geforce 7025 |
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| [15:56:07] | elprespufferfish: | which is bad, but too slow to display images bad? |
| [15:57:01] | gbee: | which driver? Is it using the right version of the gl libs (Nvidia vs Mesa)? |
| [15:57:38] | elprespufferfish: | 185.18.3 |
| [15:57:40] | sphery: | if so, I'd say it's probably just loading and scaling that's slow |
| [15:57:42] | elprespufferfish: | .31* |
| [15:58:25] | gbee: | elprespufferfish: installed using the nvidia installer? |
| [15:58:38] | elprespufferfish: | gbee, installed using my distros package manager |
| [16:00:30] | gbee: | which version of mythtv? Mythgallery has always been something of a poor relation, it's not really maintained and needs serious work, the loading/scaling not least |
| [16:01:07] | elprespufferfish: | gbee, .21 |
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| [16:06:19] | gbee: | well sounds about right, without backgrounded pre-loading and scaling of the next image, it's not bad that it takes 3 seconds to load and rescale images of several megapixels (and megabytes) in size |
| [16:06:56] | gbee: | and the lack of caching, which most people would object to, means that we can't even avoid that delay the next time around |
| [16:08:10] | gbee: | hopefully someone will pay mythgallery some attention for 0.23, but right now it's pretty unloved |
| [16:08:17] | elprespufferfish: | that's sad |
| [16:08:19] | elprespufferfish: | oh well |
| [16:08:37] | elprespufferfish: | on to lowering my CPU usage |
| [16:09:15] | gbee: | opengl should be faster because I believe it has the gpu do the scaling instead, but I'm not certain about that without looking at the code |
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| [16:13:22] | elprespufferfish: | is there a page where i can see what the different guide shadings look like? |
| [16:16:53] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [16:28:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: got my first 'hands-on' taste of Graphite last-night.. ;-) pretty nice! ;-) |
| [16:29:13] | elprespufferfish: | bah, i can't do vdpau either! i really need to update |
| [16:30:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: the gallery is quite fast on my Athlon X2 4800 system with an Nvidia 8200 IGP ... |
| [16:30:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | (and vid-e-pow-pow works on it too!) |
| [16:30:32] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: I tasted Graphite when I was lubricating the lock on my front door. I found it only /looks/ tasty. |
| [16:30:44] | elprespufferfish: | quit rubbing it in :p |
| [16:30:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs loudly! ** | |
| [16:33:42] | elprespufferfish: | it looks like gallery is trying to load EXIF data from directories.. |
| [16:34:10] | juski: | elprespufferfish: generally the 'best' setting looks least like ass :) |
| [16:34:22] | juski: | in the EPG I mean |
| [16:35:04] | elprespufferfish: | the 'best' setting is too much for my computer :( |
| [16:35:10] | elprespufferfish: | when did this get so old |
| [16:35:39] | juski: | ruh? |
| [16:36:06] | juski: | I found no difference in performance on any of my boxes but the default setting looked awful IIRC |
| [16:37:27] | elprespufferfish: | i think the default was the highest for me |
| [16:37:32] | elprespufferfish: | at least it took the most cpu |
| [16:38:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: I tried to glean from the log what your hardware is, but I didn't see it... is it pretty old? |
| [16:38:43] | elprespufferfish: | geforce 7025 |
| [16:38:50] | elprespufferfish: | athlon64 x2 5000+ |
| [16:38:54] | elprespufferfish: | i didn't think it was that old :p |
| [16:39:06] | juski: | that should be *fine* with $whatever setting |
| [16:39:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: So it would seem you just need a newer video card... and it shouldn't be slow with the gallery... humm... you sure you're running the nvidia binary driver? |
| [16:39:27] | juski: | unless you've just not installed the binary nvidia driver |
| [16:39:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ hehe |
| [16:39:48] | elprespufferfish: | i am :( |
| [16:39:58] | elprespufferfish: | as far as i can tell |
| [16:40:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | strange... the gallery is quick, even on an older Asus Pundit P2 (Athlon 64 3200 single-core) with VIA (eek!) graphics... |
| [16:40:56] | elprespufferfish: | how large are your pictures? |
| [16:41:00] | elprespufferfish: | mine are 8 megapixel iirc |
| [16:41:02] | juski: | this a remote frontend viewing the images over wireless? |
| [16:41:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: Ah...much smaller in my case. Why 8MP? |
| [16:41:29] | elprespufferfish: | nope |
| [16:41:30] | elprespufferfish: | same box |
| [16:41:39] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, it's what my camera is set to take |
| [16:42:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ok, mine is 4MP. ;-) |
| [16:42:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and the really old camera was just 2MP... ;-) |
| [16:43:04] | elprespufferfish: | ~60% cpu watching HD cable |
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| [16:43:27] | anykey_: | does anyone know if the storage group streaming for DVD iso's will be fixed when 0.22 is released? Just asking because I need to know if I need to include NFS/CIFS support for my mythbox-image |
| [16:43:35] | elprespufferfish: | hmm...i guess the Alpha setting for the epg isn't that bad |
| [16:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: ^^ that's because it's doing the decoding in software, and isn't bad. |
| [16:44:08] | elprespufferfish: | i rarely view my photos, so i'll consider my mythtv install *working* |
| [16:45:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: Yeah, I don't view my photos on Myth that often TTYTT... I use Myth for what it's primarily designed for – Recording and playback of TV and Video... ;-) |
| [16:45:42] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, i actually rarely use it for tv. firewire hasn't been that stable for me |
| [16:45:47] | elprespufferfish: | i use it mostly for music and dvd rips |
| [16:47:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: I'm currently doing SD via 3xDish Network receivers feeding S-Video and a HDHR for ATSC HD... Been thinking about switching to FiOS TV for a couple of months, but the prices keep going up... :-( |
| [16:47:34] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, i need to get off my butt and get an ir transmitter |
| [16:47:39] | elprespufferfish: | or just give up cable. i rarely watch it |
| [16:47:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: From what I understand, there's many channels in my area being passed via firewire. |
| [16:47:52] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, many channels in my area are encrypted :| |
| [16:47:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | (on FiOS HD) |
| [16:48:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: As is the case in most areas... |
| [16:50:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: You could always go the HD-PVR route – when 0.22 comes out. You'd just need a beefy cpu or VDPAU capable card to playback the recordings... |
| [16:51:15] | elprespufferfish: | is there an internal equivalent? |
| [16:51:58] | elprespufferfish: | i'd really love that |
| [16:52:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: nope... it's USB 2.0 |
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| [16:55:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: Unless you mount it internally like iamlindoro did... ;-) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally |
| [16:56:27] | elprespufferfish: | that's pretty slick. my htpc is large enough as it is. i wouldn't want yet another box |
| [17:00:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yikes – how about a keyboard with a full-color LED behind every key- what next??? http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index. . . . 8dd22673b745 |
| [17:00:55] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: been there, done that (Optimus Maximus) |
| [17:01:17] | elprespufferfish: | argh. my catv isnt grounded correctly. i can either use my catv..or my subwoofer |
| [17:01:19] | elprespufferfish: | what a choice! |
| [17:01:28] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: and the Optimus Tactus is a even nicer option |
| [17:04:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: What's it got – a color LED and mini LCD on every keycap? |
| [17:04:27] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: aye, mini lcd on every key |
| [17:04:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: incredible... |
| [17:04:43] | wagnerrp: | close... mini-OLED |
| [17:04:50] | anykey_: | Is there some documentation available on how the Trailers storage group works together with mythvideo? |
| [17:05:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: so.. each key is full-color then? |
| [17:05:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: because all the images I've seen so far seem to only have one color per key, hence my single-color per key backlit guess... |
| [17:05:57] | wagnerrp: | anykey_: you add the trailer file into the metadata line, just like you would the coverfile |
| [17:06:24] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: if I'm on a remote frontend, what would I add? The relative path on the host? |
| [17:07:04] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: the filebrowser doesn't browse storage groups, it seems |
| [17:07:39] | wagnerrp: | aagh... too many questions trying to type with one hand (holding burrito in the other) |
| [17:07:54] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if youre using storage groups, all paths are relative to the base of the storage group |
| [17:08:05] | wagnerrp: | if youre using direct file system access, it is the full path |
| [17:08:24] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the original Optimus keyboard, as well as the 3-key mini, were full (65k) color |
| [17:08:26] | anykey_: | ok, how do I add a path in edit metadata without the filebrowser? |
| [17:08:45] | wagnerrp: | i believe Asus or someone else makes a grayscale keypad |
| [17:08:52] | wagnerrp: | anykey_: you type it in manually |
| [17:09:04] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: ah, can only type something in if the local trailers dir exists |
| [17:09:20] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [17:09:30] | wagnerrp: | well set that to an empty directory somewhere then |
| [17:09:31] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: file browser won't open otherwise |
| [17:09:49] | wagnerrp: | the file browser cannot (yet) use storage groups |
| [17:10:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Looks like the 10 shortcut buttons on the left are full color, the keys seem to be single color. |
| [17:10:43] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i suppose thats supposed to be the 'cheap' version |
| [17:11:10] | wagnerrp: | the Tactus looks like its just a giant touchscreen |
| [17:11:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning there are no discrete keys |
| [17:11:41] | sphery: | touchscreen remote? |
| [17:11:45] | anykey_: | nah, the filebrowser won't open with an empty dir |
| [17:11:45] | sphery: | how useless... |
| [17:11:47] | wagnerrp: | keyboard |
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| [17:11:55] | sphery: | even worse |
| [17:11:58] | sphery: | no tactile feedback |
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| [17:12:18] | wagnerrp: | depends on whether it has wacom-type functionality |
| [17:12:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Humm... on another part of the page, it is showing multi-color images on the letter keys... humm... |
| [17:14:41] | sphery: | wonder if it limits you to 70-keys-per minute... http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textt/Tactus.html |
| [17:15:02] | sphery: | still don't know how they could do tactile feedback |
| [17:15:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, only $1599.99 from thinkgeek... yikes... |
| [17:15:12] | sid3windr: | bargain |
| [17:15:14] | sphery: | no key corners to differentiate/find home keys/... |
| [17:15:16] | sid3windr: | I'll take 5 |
| [17:15:16] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: I think the Trailer button in edit metadata has no action defined |
| [17:15:19] | sphery: | no up/down |
| [17:15:57] | sphery: | why would you put a video on your keyboard? http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-tactus/ |
| [17:16:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: touch-screens drive me crazy for trying to type, etc... Maybe that's why I have a Voyage for a cell phone, with a flip-open full qwerty keyboard... |
| [17:16:10] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: That is correct, it's not done |
| [17:16:15] | wagnerrp: | because you can? |
| [17:16:29] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: ah, so whats the recommended way to get the trailers into the db? |
| [17:16:37] | iamlindoro: | manually, currently |
| [17:16:43] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A++ on full keyboards |
| [17:16:58] | sphery: | yeah, full keyboards ftw |
| [17:17:11] | sphery: | (or at least "smart" ones like on the Blackberry Pearl |
| [17:17:22] | sphery: | (though full wins hands down) |
| [17:17:59] | sphery: | I guess, though, if you don't care to ever use the keyboard, it's pretty... |
| [17:18:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | That Optimus Tactus is 'pretty', but I need physical keys – I'm a touch-typist... ;-) |
| [17:18:14] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:18:31] | sphery: | I'd have to glue some little piece of plasic on the J and F keys |
| [17:18:54] | sphery: | and even then I'd have a hard time finding keys without any touch feedback |
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| [17:19:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe... ;-) It might not be so bad it if had slight raised edges around where the 'normal' keys would be... |
| [17:19:47] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: manually meaning fiddeling with the DB? Do I need to add something like myth://Trailers@mbe/File.avi in the videometadata.trailer field? |
| [17:19:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: It could always give a tactical feedback (vibration) like the external touch-screen does on my voyager cell phone... |
| [17:20:07] | wagnerrp: | anykey_: no, just the relative path from the base of the storagegroup dir |
| [17:20:13] | elprespufferfish: | how do you get the video out of the hd-pvr? via usb, or component? |
| [17:20:19] | wagnerrp: | the trailer MUST be on the same machine as the video |
| [17:20:22] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: no, a trailer must be hosted on the same host as the video it reflects, and the entry is the relative path within the trailer SG |
| [17:20:28] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: and yes, manually fiddling |
| [17:20:30] | wagnerrp: | similarly all images must be on the same host as the video |
| [17:20:36] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: that doesn't work, it seems |
| [17:20:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: USB. |
| [17:20:42] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: I promise it does :) |
| [17:20:45] | elprespufferfish: | spiffy |
| [17:20:57] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: that's not the same as being able to detect finger position on a key by feeling the corners, etc. |
| [17:20:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: The 'output' jacks are just a passthru of the component signal. |
| [17:21:10] | sphery: | I think the vibration as feedback theory is bogus |
| [17:21:12] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, so i wouldn't even need a tuner card, right? |
| [17:21:19] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: I have a videogroup in /mnt/myth_trunk/Trailers for the trailers, a file Australia.mov, videometadata.trailer is set to 'Australia.mov', the frontend complains about not finding 'Australia.mov' |
| [17:21:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah... |
| [17:21:21] | wagnerrp: | elprespufferfish: the HDPVR captures component... what could would it be if you had to use a separate component capture device to get video back out of it? |
| [17:21:39] | elprespufferfish: | wagnerrp, which is what confused me |
| [17:21:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | elprespufferfish: No, but you'd still need a STB to provide the compent level HD output to feed into the HD-PVR |
| [17:21:53] | wagnerrp: | elprespufferfish: you need something that outputs component, typically that would be an external tuner, such as a cable or satellite STB |
| [17:21:53] | sphery: | I often have to adjust hand positions slightly as I'm typing due to feeling that I'm moving too far to a side because of edges, etc. |
| [17:22:20] | elprespufferfish: | J-e-f-f-A, wagnerrp right right, thanks |
| [17:22:30] | sphery: | My microwave has flat buttons on it and I hate it for that reason... I often miss buttons (even though I'm looking right at it) or hit them multiple times or ... |
| [17:22:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive never actually learned to use those little keyboard nubs |
| [17:22:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: does it bug you to type 'sideways' too... ;-) IE: if you're typing something in on a co-worker's keyboard? Feels awkward to me... |
| [17:22:58] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: It works fine for me-- so I suspect misconfiguration. But regardless, it's not finished so you should just wait until it is |
| [17:23:09] | wagnerrp: | which causes a problems sometimes, because my right hand can go right a key |
| [17:23:12] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: seems I've been hit by the cache bug again |
| [17:23:16] | sphery: | "Because you can" is not a valid design criteria (yeah, that applies to you, too, Compiz devs :) |
| [17:23:20] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: works now ,) |
| [17:23:21] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: definitely... |
| [17:23:27] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: ok |
| [17:23:31] | wagnerrp: | amd yjem o start tu[omg ;ole tjos |
| [17:23:35] | sphery: | I usually have to do one-finger typing if I'm not "lined up" properly |
| [17:24:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I once created a 'unique' password that way... I just had to remember to shift my fingers before typing the password all the time... ;-) |
| [17:24:17] | wagnerrp: | i type fast enough that i usually get several words in before i notice the problem |
| [17:24:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: which can be very dangerous for short (not enough time to react/correct) commands in *nix |
| [17:24:37] | sphery: | I don't know how many time's I've run the dynamic linker on a directory or a random file |
| [17:24:52] | sphery: | ld somefile |
| [17:24:53] | wagnerrp: | its never the left hand, always the right |
| [17:24:55] | sphery: | oops, I meant ls |
| [17:24:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: me too. ;-) |
| [17:25:15] | wagnerrp: | my left palm is always on the corner of the palmrest, so i know where it is |
| [17:25:28] | wagnerrp: | but the right hand is out in the middle of the keyboard, nothing to index off of |
| [17:25:35] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: is the 'Play with trailers' button also broken? |
| [17:25:40] | sphery: | I keep my left palm just under my left wrist... Helps me keep track of it. |
| [17:25:46] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: NO |
| [17:26:01] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Seriously, this is trunk, and not finished functionality |
| [17:26:06] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: why would play trailer work and play with trailers not? |
| [17:26:11] | wagnerrp: | didnt used to be a problem with my laptop, when my right palm has an edge of a keyboard too |
| [17:26:18] | sphery: | It's tough having a conversation here with them trying to talk about on-topic stuff |
| [17:26:36] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: You really need to give me until .22 is actually released to finish work |
| [17:26:50] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: ok, sorry for disturbing you |
| [17:26:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs at sphery's comment... ;-) ** | |
| [17:27:45] | wagnerrp: | ooh, apparently the european iphone screen have been exploding |
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| [17:30:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: btw... not sure if you saw my comment – tried Graphite first-hand for the first time last-night. Looks quite nice! ;-) (had issues with channel scanning, but it was an I.D.10 T error... didn't have the HD-3000 firmware in plce... oops!) |
| [17:30:52] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Thanks, glad to hear it |
| [17:31:05] | ** wagnerrp has always been partial to PEBKAC ** | |
| [17:31:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Gee, can I get one for my Wife? (oops, was that my typing out loud voice again?) |
| [17:32:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, in this case, PEBKATMB (Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Trunk Myth Box) |
| [17:35:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I hadn't done much with my trunk box for the last month or two – I had initially put together a new box and thrown my old HD-3000 in there, and couldn't get it to scan channels, so I *presumed* it was that the channel-scanner wasn't done yet... |
| [17:35:47] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the 'C' means 'chair' |
| [17:35:58] | wagnerrp: | between keyboard and chair... meaning YOU |
| [17:36:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: and every once in a wile did an update, and it still didn't work. But the other night I dropped a 1250 in there, and what do you know, it worked... |
| [17:36:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I know. ;-) I was just trying to be a little creative. |
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| [17:41:05] | wagnerrp: | anandtech has a review of some new ASUS ION board |
| [17:41:21] | wagnerrp: | on the back, it has some coaxial RCA jack |
| [17:41:34] | wagnerrp: | but it is the composite yellow, rather than the SPDIF orange |
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| [17:43:55] | anykey_: | wagnerrp: do you have a link? |
| [17:44:07] | wagnerrp: | top of the page on anandtech |
| [17:44:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: it's described as "coax/optical out" – perhaps it's just a goofup on the sample... |
| [17:44:18] | sphery: | Kill-a-Watt for $19.99 + free S&H with promo code EMCLWNW22 at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 |
| [17:44:40] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: thats what im thinking... ive not seen a single 8/9-series board with composite/svideo output |
| [17:45:03] | wagnerrp: | aside from the original reference ION that nvidia was toting about |
| [17:46:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | jeepers "The ASUS Ion is eerily similar to the Zotac board but with poorer color choices." <-- I for one don't care what color it is! ;-) |
| [17:46:33] | wagnerrp: | you have to admit, it is an ugly board |
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| [17:46:43] | wagnerrp: | of course the worst part is that tiny little fan they put on there |
| [17:47:13] | wagnerrp: | anyone who buys one is probably going to pop that off, and tie on a little 80x80x10 |
| [17:47:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | I don't 'get' the comment though – the only 'poor' color choice I see is the blue anodized heatsink... |
| [17:48:04] | wagnerrp: | the blue wouldnt be bad |
| [17:48:12] | wagnerrp: | the yellow DIMM slots wouldnt be bad |
| [17:48:21] | wagnerrp: | but the stark contrast of the two together... |
| [17:48:38] | wagnerrp: | its like something out of the 80s |
| [17:48:48] | sphery: | like a zip loc bag |
| [17:53:29] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1546051 totally untested, and would only make browsing the "local" setting work if it does work |
| [17:53:43] | iamlindoro: | Only thing I can promise is that it compiles |
| [17:54:23] | iamlindoro: | Note that it will only browse video extensions that you have added (so .mov will need to be in your allowed files for it to browse .mov) |
| [17:55:25] | gbee: | heh, go into live tv to test some stuff, as the OSD flashes up the name of the cheesy b-movie "Active Stealth" so the character on-screen repeats the movie title "Go to active stealth boys!" ... |
| [17:55:45] | gbee: | think this film's aiming for c-movie status |
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| [17:56:37] | wagnerrp: | apparently europeans are stockpiling incandescent bulbs for the upcoming sept1 sales ban |
| [17:56:44] | gbee: | whole bunch of real life footage stiched together with scenes of wooden actors sitting in cockpits which are obviously sitting on the ground in a studio somewhere |
| [17:56:46] | Gav8in: | heh. |
| [17:56:56] | Gav8in: | i was meaning to ask: are there flourescent bulbs for in your oven? |
| [17:56:57] | Gav8in: | or what? |
| [17:57:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: You built some frontends with the ASRock Ion 330, right? Did they work well? |
| [17:57:14] | Gav8in: | i have a combined frontend/backend ASRock Ion 330 that I don't mind |
| [17:57:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: Backend too? |
| [17:57:49] | wagnerrp: | Gav8in: something that runs at oven temperatures... i dont know |
| [17:58:00] | wagnerrp: | of course flourescent bulbs would be GREAT for microwaves |
| [17:58:06] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt even need to plug them in |
| [17:58:09] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [17:58:11] | Gav8in: | incandescent bulbs flouresce in microwaves too |
| [17:58:13] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, built three, work well w/ VDPAU |
| [17:58:24] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: np, report back if you would |
| [17:58:43] | wagnerrp: | Gav8in: yeah, but the connectors are usually too close to pick up any significant power |
| [17:58:50] | sid3windr: | asrock :( |
| [17:58:54] | Gav8in: | if you put an incandescent bulb in a microwave, they first turn on normally from the induced current, then the filament burns out (but stays lit, induced current), then the gas in the bulb flouresces |
| [17:59:22] | Gav8in: | each brand of bulb you try will likely have a different creepy colour |
| [17:59:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: cool, thanks. |
| [17:59:46] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: I'll patch the frontend in a sec |
| [18:00:02] | wagnerrp: | Gav8in: not quite, you have formed a high temperature plasma, different from fluorescing |
| [18:00:17] | Gav8in: | ah, sorry. it's similar lookin' to this nonchemist/nonphysicist |
| [18:01:28] | gbee: | the replacement of incandescent isn't all about fluorescent, there are some great LED bulbs entering the market which use half the electricity of fluorescent and better colour |
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| [18:02:06] | Gav8in: | LEDs would likely work in an oven, too! |
| [18:02:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: yeah, They even have some for sale at my local hardware store, but they're horribly expensive right now – $20 for the cheapest one, that's only like 15w of light... |
| [18:02:24] | wagnerrp: | Gav8in: no... LEDs cannot handle heat |
| [18:02:37] | wagnerrp: | which is why you see them with huge heatsinks on them |
| [18:03:07] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: nah, we're talking 60w equivalents and yes they are expensive but you'll not need to replace them in your lifetime |
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| [18:03:16] | wagnerrp: | its like any other semiconductor |
| [18:03:25] | gbee: | that said, the latest gen fluorescents can be indistinguishable from incandescent – instant on and practically the same spectrum |
| [18:03:30] | wagnerrp: | you get them too hot (more than a couple hundred F) and theyre toast |
| [18:03:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Assuming the manufacturer doesn't run them at too high of a current and significantly shorten their lifespan... |
| [18:04:45] | Gav8in: | oh, hrm. so incandescent light bulbs for ovens are still gonna be sold then |
| [18:04:46] | gbee: | even then, they'll probably cost as much over their lifespan as incandescents and use 5% of the electricity |
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| [18:05:09] | Gav8in: | and can't manufacturers just make "oven" lights that are kinda nice to use in normal fixtures, and get around the prohibition then? |
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| [18:05:09] | gbee: | yes, I'm a convert :) |
| [18:05:52] | gbee: | Gav8in: average oven light is about 10–15w? not really enough to read by :) |
| [18:06:03] | Gav8in: | oh, but i sell 100w oven lights! |
| [18:06:20] | gbee: | the bulb is doing the cooking? |
| [18:06:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: I love LEDs... I even had the idea for LED Strobe lights back in 1991 when my friend was on the Fire Department, but he talked me out of it... And look now... Every Fire Truck, Ambulance, and Police car has LED srobe lights now... :-( |
| [18:06:32] | wagnerrp: | gbee: well we'll just have to bring the EZBakes back |
| [18:07:14] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: latest thing over here is LED traffic lights and LED street lighting is being used in a few major cities worldwide |
| [18:07:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A mumbles and wonders why he's still friends with that guy... :-( ** | |
| [18:08:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: We've had the traffic lights here for about 15 years now, started with the Red, then yellow, then green. I haven't noticed any LED streetlights yet though... |
| [18:08:41] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: those are already fairly efficient for their power output |
| [18:08:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Most of that is High-Pressure Sodium out here... ~70w per streetlight... |
| [18:09:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: first time a saw a green LED signal light was at night, pulled up to a red light, waited, it turned green, and *blam* all of us in the car reacted the same way *BAM* "Holy, crap, I can't see a thing now – that's BRIGHT!" |
| [18:10:34] | Gav8in: | LEDs are brilliant for traffic signals. think how much money you save not replacing bulbs |
| [18:10:50] | AndyCap: | s/not replacing/replacing less often/ |
| [18:11:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: Yeah, I do see them burn out (in segments) from time to time – probably because they're overdriving them to get more brightness... |
| [18:11:19] | gbee: | they replaced the streetlight lighting in my area of the city this year, all new pillars and supposedly more efficient bulbs, it's white in the side streets and comes on instantly, but along the main roads it just looks like another sodium based tech, takes 10 minutes to warm up and orange-white light – not as monochromatic as the old Sodium lighting |
| [18:11:52] | Gav8in: | jeff, sure, so do i. but that's safer even, too, than what happens to incandescent signals |
| [18:13:01] | gbee: | being a geek I really want to know what the new bulbs are and how much more efficient they are supposed to be, guess I'll have to write a letter to the council one of these days |
| [18:13:17] | Gav8in: | gbee, my city is really good about answering emails |
| [18:13:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: sounds good! ;-) I'm the same way. |
| [18:13:33] | Gav8in: | i've emailed our traffic planner about signals/markings a few times, he always has detailed and polite answers |
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| [18:13:50] | Gav8in: | he explained a vital distinction between US & Canadian highway markings that I had never noticed before |
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| [18:14:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: which is.... ? |
| [18:14:39] | Gav8in: | ok, not actually vital. |
| [18:14:51] | wagnerrp: | kilometers? |
| [18:14:54] | Gav8in: | the double solid yellow line in the US is much more permissive than that marking in canada |
| [18:14:58] | gbee: | one is painted in bright white, the other in off-white |
| [18:15:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: that's what I was going to say... ;-) |
| [18:15:11] | Gav8in: | and in the US, there's no single solid yellow line dividing opposing traffic |
| [18:15:12] | kormoc: | that's entirely dependent on the state |
| [18:15:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: Sure there is... |
| [18:15:32] | Gav8in: | kormoc, well, sure, but most states have adopted the uniform traffic markings |
| [18:15:39] | Gav8in: | with modifications (as my state, MA has) |
| [18:16:02] | wagnerrp: | around here, solid double lines tend to be a suggestion |
| [18:16:07] | wagnerrp: | even the police dont follow them |
| [18:16:13] | kormoc: | in PA, you *do not* cross a solid yellow line, no if's, and's or but's |
| [18:16:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: I grew up in Connecticut, most roads were marked with a single solid line, except where necessary to denote passing only in one direction, etc. |
| [18:16:20] | kormoc: | meh, the police don't have to follow anything |
| [18:16:25] | gbee: | over here you cannot cross solid lines, and dividing lines are always white, yellow/red lines run along the roads edge and denote parking restrictions (do not park here) |
| [18:16:32] | ** wagnerrp wishes he had power of traffic-cop ** | |
| [18:16:33] | Gav8in: | jeffa, interesting; the MUTCD doesn't permit single solid yellow lines |
| [18:16:53] | kormoc: | in PA, we had solid yellow lines all over the place |
| [18:16:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: unless they have their lights on, police MUST follow traffic laws |
| [18:16:55] | Gav8in: | but not everywhere is as consistant about it |
| [18:16:58] | gbee: | double solid white lines are inviolable, crossing them means instant ticket |
| [18:17:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: Let me qualify that – most 'secondary' roads... ;-) |
| [18:17:05] | wagnerrp: | of course no copy is going to give them a ticket |
| [18:17:08] | Gav8in: | jeffa, ah. |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | s/copy/cop/ |
| [18:17:37] | gbee: | a dashed line and a solid line allow overtaking only for those on the dashed side |
| [18:17:41] | Gav8in: | in the five years i've lived in ma, and driven around here, northern new england & upstate NY, with occasional trips to NYC, I can't say I remember a single solid yellow line |
| [18:17:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: in PA, they have the right to break laws without the lights on, as long as it's safe |
| [18:18:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was visiting my Mother in Kansas, and folks would pull into the opposing traffic lane to slow down and take a left turn... I was blown away... |
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| [18:18:43] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: sure, they have the RIGHT to break law.... not theyre allowed to so because theyre too incompetent to follow them |
| [18:19:12] | Gav8in: | anyway, the city's traffic director, when i asked about why we use double yellows, quite politely and patiently explained that the solid double yellow here isn't as restrictive as they are in canada, and boy he wishes he could use single solid yellows to save $$$ on paint, but he can't, since it's not in the MUTCD and he likes to follow that. |
| [18:19:30] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: having the right to break the law sorta means it's not a 'MUST follow' rule |
| [18:21:30] | Gav8in: | http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2003r1r2/part3/part3b1.htm <-- a good reference. sadly, the corresponding canadian document is nonfree. |
| [18:21:44] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im just bitter because they give me tickets for speeding in my lane, but not for driving slowly into oncoming traffic |
| [18:23:42] | wagnerrp: | they charge you to read their traffic laws |
| [18:23:44] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:23:55] | Gav8in: | wagnerrp, those aren't traffic laws, they're road construction standards |
| [18:24:28] | Gav8in: | most traffic laws are free, they are a provicincial issue. But road construction standards usually in canada incorporate that nonfree document |
| [18:24:40] | Gav8in: | so i guess you could say you have to pay to read that part of the law |
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| [18:26:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | IIRC, it's not even technically legal for a police officer, fire truck or Ambulance to go through a red light, even with their lights on... But I'm not gonna fight that! ;-) |
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| [18:30:53] | Gav8in: | does anyone here wish to discuss antennas? |
| [18:31:04] | Gav8in: | i am thinking i need a nicer antenna; either indoor or outdoor |
| [18:32:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: I'm fortunate enought that all my HD stations are broadcast from the same area, within 2 degrees of each-other, so I use a UHF Yagi antenna pointed that way on my roof... works quite well. |
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| [18:54:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: FYI – here's my antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088 |
| [18:55:17] | clever: | might this system be mythfrontend capable? :P http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/asus-eee-k . . . box-even-so/ |
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| [18:55:28] | gpd: | anyone got or seen an acer aspire revo in action? considering for mythtv frontend |
| [18:56:38] | Gav8in: | jeff, that's quite an antenna. great price. |
| [18:56:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | antenna? |
| [18:56:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | find yourself a nice local store with a good return policy. |
| [18:56:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | then start trying some. |
| [18:57:08] | ** JEDIDIAH__ hasn't even seen a revo yet. ** | |
| [18:57:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | tried to buy one from UK but they wouldn't ship it across the pond. |
| [18:57:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | the mailing list has guys that have used the same type systems. |
| [18:57:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | there are boards and embedded systems based on the ION that are widely available. |
| [18:58:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | I take that back... |
| [18:58:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | I saw a revo but it was in Japan. |
| [18:59:14] | wagnerrp: | clever: as much as any ION system |
| [18:59:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: and how well do those do on average? |
| [18:59:37] | wagnerrp: | depends on the content |
| [18:59:43] | clever: | SDTV |
| [18:59:51] | Gav8in: | my nvidia ion 330 has zero trouble with any sdtv |
| [19:00:07] | clever: | nice:) |
| [19:00:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | MPEG2 HD? h264 720p? |
| [19:00:21] | clever: | so in theory, i could have a keyboard playing recordings |
| [19:00:32] | Gav8in: | mpeg2 hd is also quite good, no real trouble there |
| [19:00:36] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: only through VDPAU |
| [19:00:46] | wagnerrp: | meaning only if its a stream the hardware decoder likes |
| [19:00:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | My atv is good up until I try to play 720p hdpvr recordings on it. |
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| [19:01:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | since most of the house is not running vdpau, my hdpvr recordings are at 480p |
| [19:02:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | Oddly enough with DirecTV there doesn't seem to be much difference '-) |
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| [19:04:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | recordings "that make you go wow" seem to be the ones that require a lot of cpu to decode and I don't see that many of those even when I let the hdpvr record at 720p |
| [19:04:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | see some nice OTA ATSC stuff though |
| [19:06:05] | Gav8in: | my son very much likes the 1080i sesame street |
| [19:06:16] | Gav8in: | although i suspect he'd be ok with 480i |
| [19:06:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | I used to transcode stuff like that but I don't bother anymore. |
| [19:07:00] | Gav8in: | my ION may be able to play 1080, but faint hope transcoding it |
| [19:07:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | stuff seems a lot more stable without the transocde jobs. |
| [19:07:11] | Gav8in: | just use a humungous backing store and save 'em on disk that way |
| [19:07:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | my frontends are pretty beefy machines, plus my master backend and desktop are really beefy |
| [19:07:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | I almost don't want to replace it with vdpau enabled gear |
| [19:08:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | there never seems to be enough recording space... |
| [19:09:01] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt take much to play OTA ATSC |
| [19:09:29] | wagnerrp: | my sister's 2001-era AthXP is marginally capable of playing 1080i mpeg2 |
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| [19:10:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | OTA isn't a big deal. HD Sat is the interesting thing. |
| [19:11:20] | _ben: | Hm |
| [19:11:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | Part of this is driven by the fact that the only solution on the market spits out h264 rather than divx or mpeg2 |
| [19:11:28] | _ben: | anyone messed with using xboxes as a frontend? |
| [19:11:40] | _ben: | or is it really a waste of time? |
| [19:11:47] | wagnerrp: | _ben: not worth the effort |
| [19:11:58] | _ben: | fair do's |
| [19:12:03] | wagnerrp: | not enough memory, not enough power |
| [19:12:07] | wagnerrp: | you can do it, but its not fun |
| [19:12:16] | laga: | and the xbox 360 is not sufficiently haxxored AFAIK |
| [19:12:29] | _ben: | this is the original xbox |
| [19:12:40] | _ben: | just after a quiet, small frontend for the bedroom |
| [19:13:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | Hack an AppleTV if you want a small, quiet box for the bedroom. |
| [19:13:08] | wagnerrp: | _ben: pick up one of the ION boxes (and run trunk, or wait for the 0.22 release in a few weeks) |
| [19:13:20] | wagnerrp: | or build a small mini-itx system |
| [19:13:22] | _ben: | ION? *googles* |
| [19:13:40] | wagnerrp: | either full system can be had for ~$300–400 and can be made silent |
| [19:13:54] | wagnerrp: | you could probably do it for $250 if you cheap out on things |
| [19:14:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | There are also other embedded vendors that do all sorts of stuff besides ION and deliver systems very much like the minis |
| [19:14:05] | wagnerrp: | or get a minimac |
| [19:14:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | I once had a PIII 1Ghz playing 720P MPEG2 with XvMC – didn't skip unless there was an OSD, then it was horrible until the OSD cleared... |
| [19:14:31] | wagnerrp: | you *can* hack an appletv, but for anything HD, its not really worth the effort |
| [19:14:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | minis are cool but a likely budget bustr |
| [19:14:48] | wagnerrp: | and again, lack of power and lack of memory makes it undesireable |
| [19:14:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | _ben: I had an xbox frontend for 0.20 – worked well, but very slow menus since it's only got 64MB ram and a Celeron 733 processor. |
| [19:15:06] | _ben: | is it just a socket 370? |
| [19:15:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | an ATV does ATSC HD just fine. |
| [19:15:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's a little sluggish with trunk but otherwise very usable. |
| [19:15:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | _ben Original XBox – can't do it on a 360... |
| [19:16:03] | _ben: | J-e-f-f-A: i mean the processor, i.e. socket 370 |
| [19:16:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | _ben: No – it's ball-soldered to the motherboard. There was a company doing mods to (IIRC) 1.2Ghz processors and 128MB ram for a short while, but they've long since quit doing that. |
| [19:17:14] | _ben: | ah, balls |
| [19:17:37] | _ben: | i have a tualatin lying around |
| [19:17:50] | wagnerrp: | a BGA tualatin? |
| [19:18:02] | wagnerrp: | and a heat gun? |
| [19:18:13] | _ben: | a tualatin processor |
| [19:18:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | _ben: While you might be able to get it to work, it's not really worth the effort IMHO. |
| [19:18:35] | _ben: | Yeah, i guess the results won't justify it |
| [19:19:01] | _ben: | the appletv stuff looks cool – i don't have a mac tho which the wiki implies you need access to |
| [19:19:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | I don't think the "other mac" requirement has been true for a long time. |
| [19:20:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | you just need to make a boot disk on a usb thumbdrive. |
| [19:21:08] | _ben: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythFro . . . using_Gentoo ? |
| [19:23:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | http://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/ |
| [19:23:54] | _ben: | ta, nice one |
| [19:25:58] | ** j-rod has a big grin right now... ** | |
| [19:26:10] | ** davilla is grinning too ** | |
| [19:26:36] | ** wagnerrp is panicking, trying to prep a new mythbox for the weekend ** | |
| [19:26:53] | ** davilla puts j-rod in a box and tapes him shut ** | |
| [19:27:26] | ** _ben notes sdavilla is the project owner ;) ** | |
| [19:27:40] | j-rod: | yes. yes, he is. |
| [19:28:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | "the man" is here? |
| [19:28:22] | ** wagnerrp wonders what he should shove onto the 300GB hard drive ** | |
| [19:29:00] | davilla: | hehe, mr.appletv present and accounted for. |
| [19:29:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | get a rotary saw, cut it open and put your yu-gi-oh cards inside. |
| [19:29:34] | CoreDump|home: | JEDIDIAH__: these days HDD'S are held by screws together |
| [19:29:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | dangerous power tools are more fun |
| [19:30:08] | CoreDump|home: | point taken =) |
| [19:30:14] | ** JEDIDIAH__ grabs an old IDE drive from the shelf ** | |
| [19:31:04] | ** JEDIDIAH__ checks for suitable bits ** | |
| [19:31:33] | sphery: | I'd be really surprised if that drive didn't contain at least one of both bits |
| [19:31:39] | sphery: | 0 and 1, that is |
| [19:32:24] | _ben: | there's probably not much point getting a 160GB appletv is there... ? |
| [19:32:37] | _ben: | seeing you're be streaming most of the stuff |
| [19:33:08] | _ben: | but then for the sake of $100 |
| [19:33:27] | davilla: | no, get 40GB and stream everything |
| [19:33:49] | ** j-rod has a 40G one ** | |
| [19:34:12] | j-rod: | I think its about to become a lot more useful to me in the very very near future too. |
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| [19:38:09] | ** wagnerrp expects to run out of space well before getting through this list of movies ** | |
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| [19:40:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: You were right – it was an I.D. 10 T error... I forgot to install the firmware for my HD-3000 (Just in case you didn't peruse last-night's logs...) |
| [19:40:27] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: heh, yeah, I saw. :) |
| [19:40:30] | j-rod: | been there, done that |
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| [19:41:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | I even got the HVR-950 working fine, again after installing the firmware. ;-) |
| [19:41:26] | stoffel: | I can't choose the Graphite theme and found this message on the fe: The theme (Graphite) is missing a themeinfo.xml file For installing the Graphite theme i just copied it's directory to /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/. |
| [19:42:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | stoffel: I copied it to /usr/src/mythtv/themes , then did a 'sudo make install' there, and it got installed and worked fine... |
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| [19:43:35] | stoffel: | grr, stupied wrong permissions ;) |
| [19:43:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
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| [19:51:59] | tony__: | slightly unrelated question. anyone here try netflix in a mediacenter? is it worth it or is there free ones like hulu that work just as good? |
| [19:52:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot use netflix streaming |
| [19:53:27] | sphery: | and hulu, et al, require a browser app |
| [19:53:46] | sphery: | (which is easy enough to run on a myth box, but the UI isn't ideal for couch/remote use) |
| [19:53:55] | tony__: | i know. i'm using mediacenter for a setup downstairs |
| [19:54:25] | tony__: | i have no cable and was thinking streaming tv would be cheaper |
| [19:55:32] | wagnerrp: | 10MB/s is so painfully slow... |
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| [19:58:01] | tony__: | i'm not on a 10mb/s connection |
| [19:58:57] | ** wagnerrp kicks his laptop offline and steals its gigabit cable ** | |
| [19:59:07] | _ben: | davilla / j-rod – i guess there's nothing to stop you ripping out the hard disk and putting whatever you want in once the warranty has expired? |
| [19:59:53] | j-rod: | nothing I'm aware of. but note that its a 2.5" ata drive |
| [20:00:04] | j-rod: | so 320G is as big as you could go at the moment |
| [20:00:09] | wagnerrp: | well... thats roughly double |
| [20:00:13] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: dang, I got excited there for a minute, thought you said HVR-930. |
| [20:00:20] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: there are 500GB drives available |
| [20:00:21] | _ben: | Cool, ta j-rod |
| [20:00:27] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: not for ata |
| [20:00:33] | j-rod: | pay attention |
| [20:00:35] | j-rod: | :) |
| [20:00:47] | j-rod: | (or do *I* need to pay attention?) |
| [20:01:00] | wagnerrp: | checking... |
| [20:01:06] | j-rod: | when I bought a new ata drive for my powerbook a few weeks back, 320G was still the largest you could get |
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| [20:01:18] | _ben: | by ata you mean ide? |
| [20:01:24] | j-rod: | bought a WD Scorpio Blue 320G, working quite nicely in my powerbook g4 |
| [20:01:26] | wagnerrp: | nope, seems youre right... 320GB |
| [20:01:29] | j-rod: | I mean ata. |
| [20:01:31] | davilla: | there is a 2.5 pata to sata converter board, I have one but have never tried it. |
| [20:01:38] | j-rod: | people incorrectly also call ata ide though |
| [20:02:54] | j-rod: | amusing, my ~4 year old powerbook has a drive 4x the size of my much newer thinkpad |
| [20:03:24] | davilla: | http://usb.brando.com/2-5-ide-female-to-sata- . . . 042d015.html |
| [20:03:28] | j-rod: | thinkpad has an x25-m though. |
| [20:03:39] | wagnerrp: | im still dealing with my antiquated 40GB |
| [20:03:45] | wagnerrp: | which is up from the original 32GB 4200rpm |
| [20:05:30] | _ben: | that adapter looks handy |
| [20:06:01] | j-rod: | I have way too many 2.5" drives laying around... |
| [20:06:14] | j-rod: | put most of 'em to decent use in cases tho |
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| [20:08:18] | _ben: | heh, bit of a pain |
| [20:08:32] | _ben: | was about to buy an appartment but had to pull out of the sale |
| [20:08:39] | _ben: | i had my AV setup all worked out :( |
| [20:09:50] | wagnerrp: | me hates himself for having to dig around behind the tv and cut half a dozen cable ties to fish out a modulator |
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| [20:13:50] | wagnerrp: | 25MB/s is painfully slow... |
| [20:15:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | netflix seems like the sort o fthink where a roku box would not be out of the question... annoying to have multiple devices though. |
| [20:16:09] | wagnerrp: | does netflix do flash streaming? |
| [20:16:12] | sphery: | annoying to have DRM'ed services--so I don't subscribe/use them :) |
| [20:16:33] | wagnerrp: | oh sphery, youre so idealistic |
| [20:16:52] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:17:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | full featured AV devices are getting so small I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to have some sort of docking cradle and drag devices from room to room like a hot swap SATA drive. |
| [20:18:21] | wagnerrp: | apparently MIPS Technologies just demo'd an android-based decoder module for TVs |
| [20:18:41] | wagnerrp: | full 1080p decoding and playback support, plus post processing |
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| [20:18:52] | wagnerrp: | looks like its a little 8"x4"x1" box |
| [20:19:22] | sphery: | though why you need android for it is a whole other problem (i.e the user shouldn't ever have to see an "operating system") |
| [20:19:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | well, you will see the apps... |
| [20:20:20] | wagnerrp: | well i assume they want to bring something like sony's XMB to other TVs |
| [20:20:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | although it's hard to say how this would integrate with a TV |
| [20:20:35] | wagnerrp: | as well as offer things like web access, mail access, rss feeds, etc... |
| [20:21:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | yeah... once you have something with a video decoder and OS you're most of the way to just having a complete embedded pc. |
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| [20:21:21] | wagnerrp: | interesting concept, if perhaps one more in a long line of gadgets people wont take advantage of |
| [20:21:27] | sphery: | Why do people think reading mail/web on the TV is a good idea? Oh well, to each his own. |
| [20:22:25] | _ben: | seems a bit odd |
| [20:22:26] | wagnerrp: | reading the web? probably not... but pulling up your favorite video blog? or perhaps perusing youtube? |
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| [20:22:54] | sphery: | that makes more sense--at least as much sense as watching youtube videos can make :) |
| [20:24:07] | ** wagnerrp goes back to the copying of files ** | |
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| [20:26:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | I used to "surf" on a regular 19" TV. Compared to that a 1080p HDTV is like something out of StarTrek |
| [20:26:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | My TVs all have better resolution than my first PC monitor. |
| [20:31:35] | j-rod: | its amazing how cheap a device that can decode 1080p is now... |
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| [20:32:59] | jduggan: | my phone has about as good a res as my first `monitor` |
| [20:33:03] | jduggan: | :P |
| [20:33:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that should be on a tshirt |
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| [20:34:53] | wagnerrp: | i think 'my phone is more powerful than my first CRAY' would work better |
| [20:35:24] | wagnerrp: | where oh where is my bag of adapters |
| [20:35:51] | wagnerrp: | where oh where could it be |
| [20:38:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | ....or "My phone is more powerful than THE first Cray" |
| [20:38:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...greeting starfighter. |
| [20:38:57] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you didnt have your own room full of supercomputers back in 'the day'? |
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| [20:39:41] | wagnerrp: | back in the day, we had to walk five miles, up hill, through the snow, to code in our punch cards! |
| [20:41:43] | AndyCap: | youtube.com/xl ? :) |
| [20:42:47] | wagnerrp: | and the top recommended video is 'chocolate rain (pop-punk parody)' |
| [20:42:59] | wagnerrp: | thats it... i quit the internet... theres nothing worthwhile any longer |
| [20:43:34] | AndyCap: | tubes are clogged and the truck has broken down |
| [20:43:52] | _ben: | quick, call the internet plumber |
| [20:44:01] | wagnerrp: | yes! and the top rated videos are... two of miley cyrus, and and one of 'poking kids with sharp sticks' |
| [20:44:24] | wagnerrp: | oh, and 'girl attacked by armadillo' |
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| [20:52:21] | YangYin: | hey guys what does it mean when i hit enter to watch tv but it shows a black screen then nothing |
| [20:52:33] | wagnerrp: | means you need to check your logs |
| [20:52:52] | YangYin: | for? |
| [20:52:59] | sphery: | errors :) |
| [20:53:09] | wagnerrp: | likely culprits: improperly (or not) set up tuner cards |
| [20:53:13] | sphery: | check both frontend and backend logs |
| [20:53:15] | wagnerrp: | file permission issues |
| [20:53:42] | YangYin: | wagnerrp: i was able to setup tuner card but where are the logs located? |
| [20:54:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | gremlins... |
| [20:55:49] | sphery: | YangYin: completely dependent on your distro and where they put them |
| [20:55:49] | AndyCap: | People want cold sodas, Hot Popcorn, and no gremlins in the mythbox. |
| [20:56:04] | sphery: | seems they only want the popcorn for an hour, though |
| [20:56:06] | AndyCap: | Do you think the gremsters can beat the hulkster? |
| [20:56:14] | EvilGuru: | Hmm, even after removing pulse audio is still very out of sync in mythfrontend |
| [20:56:57] | sphery: | EvilGuru: also happens with broken videos |
| [20:57:17] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Indeed, but my other frontend doesn't exhibit the problem |
| [20:57:19] | sphery: | are these recordings? |
| [20:57:40] | sphery: | if so, digital or analog? |
| [20:57:43] | EvilGuru: | So the recordings (DVB) are fine |
| [20:58:12] | sphery: | what audio output path? |
| [20:58:15] | sphery: | digital or analog? |
| [20:58:39] | EvilGuru: | The audio goes through ALSA:default to an old analog amp |
| [20:58:58] | sphery: | so, PCM audio via analog? |
| [20:59:11] | EvilGuru: | Seems right |
| [20:59:14] | sphery: | how far out of sync? I'm thinking you said it was several seconds? |
| [20:59:33] | EvilGuru: | It varies, seeking seems to affect it, but 250ms, easily |
| [20:59:49] | sphery: | are you sure you have good seektables? |
| [21:00:06] | sphery: | (that shouldn't affect audio sync, but IME...) |
| [21:00:06] | EvilGuru: | Good question, how would I know |
| [21:00:21] | sphery: | when seeking is it slow to seek (on all frontends)? |
| [21:00:30] | sphery: | or do you get blockiness when seeking? |
| [21:00:32] | EvilGuru: | Seeking works perfectly on both frontends |
| [21:00:51] | sphery: | probably not seektable issues (unless you're seeking to previously-played parts for your test) |
| [21:01:00] | sphery: | though it still wouldn't hurt to run optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [21:01:29] | EvilGuru: | Can myth do what mplayer does and tell me A-V? |
| [21:01:29] | sphery: | and then run a seektable rebuild on one recording to verify: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable (you'll need the mythtranscode approach unless you're on trunk) |
| [21:01:52] | sphery: | the logs should say something when it detects a mismatch |
| [21:02:12] | sphery: | there's also a menu option for changing sync (so you can match it up yourself to see how far off it is) |
| [21:02:30] | sphery: | though it doesn't "save" that sync stuff (so you'd have to do it for every video) |
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| [21:02:52] | EvilGuru: | I have toyed around with the sync but can never seem to get it right |
| [21:03:05] | EvilGuru: | Be nice if myth knows how far out of sync the audio is |
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| [21:03:17] | EvilGuru: | Just so I could know where the problem lies |
| [21:03:51] | sphery: | other than that, only other thing I could think of is using broken options like "Use video as timebase" or audio misconfiguration (not using "Extra audio buffering" or actually using "Aggressive Sound card Buffering") or underpowered system... |
| [21:04:22] | sphery: | ie.. Aggressive Sound card Buffering is evil and Extra audio buffering is good |
| [21:06:47] | EvilGuru: | The system is quite quick, 2.4 core 2, 9600gt |
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| [21:07:54] | YangYin: | hey guys what is the difference between us-cable-hrc and us-cable-irc frequency tables? |
| [21:08:29] | sphery: | not much at all |
| [21:08:37] | sphery: | very few cable-co's use IRC |
| [21:08:46] | sphery: | you probably want either us-cable or us-cable-hrc |
| [21:09:10] | sphery: | though if channels (frequency identifiers) 5 and 6 don't work, you need IRC |
| [21:09:14] | YangYin: | well when i use cable i dont get any of the programming data along with it |
| [21:09:25] | iamlindoro: | Nor will you |
| [21:09:27] | sphery: | you mean EIT data? |
| [21:09:48] | YangYin: | yeah |
| [21:09:50] | sphery: | or do you mean you don't get enough info from your digital channels for Myth to map the channels it finds to Schedules Direct channels |
| [21:09:56] | YangYin: | no EIT data |
| [21:10:08] | sphery: | yeah, cable co's don't really want good EIT data because then you don't have to use their set-top-boxes |
| [21:10:23] | sphery: | Schedules Direct is the best solution in the US, anyway |
| [21:10:31] | sphery: | http://schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [21:10:36] | YangYin: | i noticed you needed an account |
| [21:10:38] | YangYin: | is it free? |
| [21:10:40] | sphery: | less than $0.06/day |
| [21:10:43] | iamlindoro: | $20 a year |
| [21:10:45] | sphery: | $20 per /year/ |
| [21:10:45] | YangYin: | ewww |
| [21:10:51] | YangYin: | bugmenot? |
| [21:10:54] | sphery: | no |
| [21:10:56] | laga: | rotfl |
| [21:10:57] | iamlindoro: | Only way you're going to be getting guide data for your cable |
| [21:11:00] | YangYin: | lol |
| [21:11:05] | sphery: | it's the same data that TiVo users pay $15/mo to get |
| [21:11:36] | sphery: | YangYin: it's a non-profit corporation started by MythTV and other FOSS developers to license and redistribute the guide data |
| [21:11:54] | sphery: | YangYin: they pay a fortune for the data and make it available to individual FOSS application users for a pittance |
| [21:12:13] | YangYin: | lol sounds like you work for them |
| [21:12:24] | sphery: | i.e. that information isn't cheap, and it /definitely/ does not "want to be free" |
| [21:12:41] | sphery: | no, but I feel that they're the best thing to happen to Myth |
| [21:12:43] | iamlindoro: | He doesn't work for them, the information costs them money and they're there solely to help OSS projects out w/ it-- and they're not-for-profit |
| [21:12:44] | laga: | we could distribute them bittorrents over the usenets |
| [21:12:44] | YangYin: | doesnt have to be free, i just dont want to pay for it |
| [21:12:48] | sphery: | (for US users, though :) |
| [21:12:52] | iamlindoro: | so no, we're not interested in ripping them off |
| [21:13:00] | iamlindoro: | And if you are, you're not welcome here |
| [21:13:01] | sphery: | laga: hahaha |
| [21:13:06] | sphery: | good thread |
| [21:13:16] | laga: | sphery: i think there were many of them :) |
| [21:13:23] | sid3windr: | lol@bugmenot |
| [21:13:24] | sphery: | yeah, true |
| [21:14:03] | YangYin: | heh |
| [21:14:15] | sphery: | YangYin: Also, note that MythTV is /not/ designed as a low-cost alternative to "expensive" $6/mo cable-co DVR's. MythTV is a high-end, high-performance, luxury DVR. If you're looking for cheap, MythTV probably isn't the right choice. |
| [21:15:04] | ** laga finds that mythtv can be cheap. IE go OTA + EIT and you're good – especially in europe. ** | |
| [21:15:07] | laga: | of course, YMMV |
| [21:15:15] | sphery: | so even forgetting that $20/yr is less than $72/yr (for the $6/mo DVR), you're likely to spend a lot of money on hardware and a lot of time on Myth |
| [21:15:20] | _ben: | ymmv? |
| [21:15:25] | wagnerrp: | and then you buy multiple frontends, and lots of drives |
| [21:15:27] | sphery: | Your mileage may vary |
| [21:15:30] | _ben: | ah |
| [21:15:46] | wagnerrp: | and then you realize you need more tuners to push those frontends, and you have multiple shows you want to record simultaneously |
| [21:15:47] | YangYin: | a luxury? i cant even get the thing to work |
| [21:15:54] | sphery: | laga: though for YangYin, moving to Europe is likely to cost >> $20/yr :) |
| [21:15:59] | _ben: | Yeah, you're sorted in the UK if you can get FreeView/FreeSat |
| [21:16:05] | iamlindoro: | If you can't drive, a BMW is still a luxury car |
| [21:16:09] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [21:16:09] | sid3windr: | in the end we have screens everywhere, and need a frontend for each... ;/ |
| [21:16:12] | iamlindoro: | the problem is in the driver's seat |
| [21:16:14] | YangYin: | good point |
| [21:16:26] | YangYin: | but it means nothing to me because i cant drive |
| [21:16:29] | wagnerrp: | YangYin: 'luxury' in that it is VERY expandable |
| [21:16:38] | sphery: | exactly |
| [21:16:41] | YangYin: | kinda like trying to sell someone something they dont need |
| [21:16:46] | AndyCap: | high-end. :> |
| [21:16:49] | wagnerrp: | its not some cheap DVD recorder with a tuner you pick up for a hundred bucks |
| [21:16:53] | laga: | sphery: tv_grab_eu_epgdata is 20€ per year ;) of course, there are some free as in beer grabbers and EIT |
| [21:17:05] | iamlindoro: | YangYin: Nobody's trying to sell it to you-- we don't care if you use myth |
| [21:17:09] | sphery: | laga: yeah, EIT here in the US is mostly garbage |
| [21:17:12] | YangYin: | wagnerrp: where can you get a cheap dvr for 100$? |
| [21:17:18] | AndyCap: | laga: the what now? where do you get that? |
| [21:17:26] | sphery: | YangYin: your cable or satellite company |
| [21:17:39] | YangYin: | well then why isnt anyone trying to help me try to get this working |
| [21:17:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, thats often free |
| [21:17:44] | sphery: | (at least until TiVo's lawsuit against them causes them to disable DVR capabilities) |
| [21:17:45] | laga: | AndyCap: sorry? |
| [21:17:54] | AndyCap: | laga: the eu epg data for 20¤ |
| [21:18:04] | AndyCap: | laga: nm, found it |
| [21:18:17] | iamlindoro: | YangYin: Erm... because the only thing you've asked is how to get free guide data, and you can't? Changing frequency tables isn't gonna do it |
| [21:18:21] | laga: | AndyCap: http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/Europe |
| [21:18:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, if you get more than the $10/mo "basic basic" cable, it's usually "free" (=included in the cost of the subscription) |
| [21:19:17] | sphery: | though my local one actually charges $6/mo for a DVR unless you go above the $40/mo package |
| [21:19:21] | AndyCap: | hmm, where was the cheap low-end DVR solution again, from the guy thinking myth was bloated |
| [21:19:50] | sphery: | AndyCap: you mean the 470 LOC Perl one? |
| [21:19:50] | YangYin: | ... never thought this was bloated |
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| [21:20:09] | AndyCap: | sphery: yes. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428 |
| [21:20:13] | sphery: | YangYin: yeah, I think he was referring to a mailing list post from ancient history |
| [21:20:23] | sphery: | AndyCap: hehe |
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| [21:20:29] | sphery: | that's such a good thread |
| [21:20:43] | YangYin: | oh |
| [21:20:44] | meshe: | you guys must have that bookmarked |
| [21:21:32] | ** AndyCap googled for mythtv bloat "no xml" ** | |
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| [21:21:57] | sphery: | we should fix the bot to give that thread... !thread perl-replacement |
| [21:22:00] | meshe: | ahh |
| [21:22:12] | sphery: | KISS to all you MythTV developers. |
| [21:23:07] | YangYin: | okay so i have added all the stuff i need to view tv through mythtv, i click watch tv and it goes black for like 5 seconds then switches back to the main screen |
| [21:23:14] | meshe: | my favorite part is: – there is no database, only plain text files <--- yeah, that's great for all the scheduling and config |
| [21:23:15] | YangYin: | anyone know what might be the culprit |
| [21:23:33] | meshe: | YangYin: up |
| [21:23:37] | meshe: | er yup |
| [21:23:58] | meshe: | check yourbackend logs |
| [21:24:00] | YangYin: | meshe: what? |
| [21:24:13] | YangYin: | could you maybe possible give me a clue as to where they may be? |
| [21:24:17] | YangYin: | im running jaunty |
| [21:24:29] | ** meshe puts money on permissions ** | |
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| [21:25:08] | YangYin: | ill go with that |
| [21:25:23] | meshe: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [21:26:21] | meshe: | i'm tethering over an edge connection, the latency sucks |
| [21:26:46] | YangYin: | eww edge |
| [21:27:35] | YangYin: | okay it seems like the ring buffer is the culprit |
| [21:27:49] | YangYin: | failed to open remote file() |
| [21:27:51] | meshe: | i've been out of 3g coverage for a week now |
| [21:28:02] | ** meshe puts money on permissions ** | |
| [21:28:26] | ** sphery wonders how a backend could possibly be recording to a remote file ** | |
| [21:28:48] | YangYin: | scrolls up to find a permissions error |
| [21:29:05] | meshe: | isn't that the way that it always accesses files in storage groups? |
| [21:29:12] | sphery: | YangYin: please pastebin the output from your logs... it's likely that's not a real error |
| [21:29:14] | meshe: | whether local or remote? |
| [21:29:18] | sphery: | meshe: frontends access them remotely |
| [21:29:32] | sphery: | backends write to "local" storage (whether it's local disk or NFS/CIFS) |
| [21:29:46] | meshe: | ahhh |
| [21:30:01] | sphery: | I'm thiking that's the preview generator's trying to generate a preview of the dummy video (i.e. not an error) |
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| [21:30:05] | YangYin: | should the folder that i set up be owned by mythtv? |
| [21:30:13] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [21:30:19] | sphery: | owned by the user running mythbackend |
| [21:30:40] | YangYin: | so root? |
| [21:30:43] | meshe: | in a standard jaunty install, yess |
| [21:30:47] | meshe: | mythtv |
| [21:31:00] | YangYin: | works |
| [21:31:01] | meshe: | don't run the backend as root |
| [21:31:30] | YangYin: | lol |
| [21:31:54] | YangYin: | i just assumed it was root because it required root password when i ran mythbackend setup |
| [21:32:05] | YangYin: | changed folder permissions to mythtv and works now |
| [21:32:09] | laga: | it required your user password |
| [21:32:11] | YangYin: | lemme test out recording |
| [21:32:34] | YangYin: | laga: yeah which is my root pass too |
| [21:32:36] | YangYin: | im lazy |
| [21:32:51] | YangYin: | plus i dont have sensative data here anywho anyways |
| [21:33:04] | YangYin: | whats the command for recording from the tv viewer? |
| [21:33:14] | meshe: | R |
| [21:33:36] | sphery: | actually, it's always recording |
| [21:33:43] | sphery: | when viewing LiveTV |
| [21:33:53] | meshe: | myth is always recording in live tv |
| [21:33:57] | meshe: | damn latency |
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| [21:33:58] | YangYin: | ah |
| [21:34:00] | YangYin: | yeah |
| [21:34:13] | YangYin: | nvm pressing r uses the DB recordings right? |
| [21:34:14] | sphery: | R just says, "Make this visible in Watch Recordings and record until the program ends even if I exit LiveTV" |
| [21:34:37] | sphery: | R uses the program listings (which you lack) |
| [21:34:58] | sphery: | but if you don't have listings, then it uses the "internal" definition of programs--i.e. things that end on top-of and half-past the hour |
| [21:36:22] | YangYin: | ummm well i noticed that the files are nuv format... umm is there a way to get this to transcode into say avi or mpeg? |
| [21:37:27] | sphery: | YangYin: if you have a DVB card and you're getting NUV files, you don't have it set up right |
| [21:37:34] | sphery: | because no broadcaster in the world sends out NUV |
| [21:37:40] | YangYin: | DVB card? |
| [21:37:47] | sphery: | digital |
| [21:37:53] | YangYin: | im still new please keep the acrynms to a min |
| [21:38:00] | sphery: | oh, yeah, you're US... and earlier person was using DVB-T |
| [21:38:08] | sphery: | What capture card do you have? |
| [21:38:21] | YangYin: | an TV @nywhere plus card |
| [21:39:35] | sphery: | ah, a framegrabber... |
| [21:39:41] | sphery: | I know exactly the person to help with that |
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| [21:40:12] | sphery: | YangYin: anyway, when recording from a framegrabber, you always get files in the NUV container, though you're likely using MPEG-4 inside |
| [21:40:19] | iamlindoro: | But he died in the 90's when the last framegrabbers were old? |
| [21:40:29] | sphery: | there he is ^^^ framegrabber lover |
| [21:40:51] | sphery: | YangYin: but if you want to transcode (or even remux) to a different container/format, you have to do that after recording |
| [21:40:51] | ** iamlindoro wields the mighty gas can and matches ** | |
| [21:41:08] | YangYin: | damnit! |
| [21:41:10] | sphery: | YangYin: or, better, just get rid of the garbage frame grabber and instead get a nice PVR-150 ($20 on ebay) or an HVR-1600 |
| [21:41:16] | sphery: | then you get plain old MPEG-2 |
| [21:41:28] | YangYin: | frame grabber eh |
| [21:42:01] | sphery: | frame grabber dumps raw video frames to memory where the CPU is used to encode them into a compressed format that's suitably small for storage/transmission |
| [21:42:20] | sphery: | PVR-150 is an MPEG-2 encoder card--it dumps already encoded MPEG-2 video |
| [21:43:11] | sphery: | HVR-1600 is basically like a combined PVR-150 with a digital duner, meaning you can get MPEG-2 encoded standard def from analog sources or get unencrypted digital broadcasts |
| [21:43:20] | sphery: | digital /tuner/ |
| [21:43:28] | ** meshe swears by the pvr-x50's for analog encoding ** | |
| [21:43:35] | sphery: | meshe: +1 |
| [21:43:42] | sphery: | PVR-150 is the way to go |
| [21:43:48] | meshe: | i have 6 of them :) |
| [21:43:49] | sphery: | it's not 1993, anymore! |
| [21:43:55] | YangYin: | hmmm.... really all im doing is using this to capture tvshows and then dump the downloaded tvshows into a folder that im transmitting to my xbox360 using twonkymedia |
| [21:44:31] | sphery: | heh, yeah, can't transmit directly to the 360 since it's UPnP player won't play back MPEG-2 without special "approved by MS Windows" DRM stuff |
| [21:44:31] | YangYin: | because i do not have a cable jack in my room and im not paying some jackass to punch a hole in my wall for $50 minus labor |
| [21:44:36] | sphery: | its |
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| [21:45:02] | sphery: | for $50, you could buy yourself a not bad drill :) |
| [21:45:03] | YangYin: | all i need is cable in my room im going insane without it |
| [21:45:13] | YangYin: | lol i could punch a hole in my wall for free |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | true... |
| [21:45:28] | AndyCap: | or YangYin could download Windows 7. (free until next summer) and get guidedata and 360 streaming in one. |
| [21:45:31] | sphery: | especially if upset enough by trying to get Myth working :) |
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| [21:45:46] | YangYin: | guidedata? |
| [21:45:50] | sphery: | "free until next summer"? |
| [21:45:59] | ** sphery suspects at most that's "free of charge" ** | |
| [21:46:04] | AndyCap: | sphery: I think that's when the beta licenses expire. |
| [21:46:09] | meshe: | is win7 still available? |
| [21:46:09] | AndyCap: | sphery: hehe, what else. |
| [21:46:10] | YangYin: | guidedata? |
| [21:46:13] | AndyCap: | hardly libre. |
| [21:46:20] | YangYin: | whats guidedata? |
| [21:46:30] | meshe: | guide data |
| [21:46:36] | YangYin: | yes guide data |
| [21:46:39] | sphery: | ah, yeah, you actually get a 30-day license, but you can reset the license 3 times using a hack MS is probably embarrassed people found |
| [21:46:46] | sid3windr: | no |
| [21:46:49] | meshe: | tv guide downloaded for recording |
| [21:46:50] | sid3windr: | you get a real license until march |
| [21:46:58] | sphery: | guide data is program listings |
| [21:46:59] | sid3windr: | after that it starts to reboot every 2 hours |
| [21:47:04] | sid3windr: | for a few months |
| [21:47:04] | YangYin: | why not just use xp? |
| [21:47:05] | AndyCap: | sphery: oh, ok. heh, well, my win7 won't expire until next summer |
| [21:47:05] | sphery: | guide data is what Schedules Direct sells |
| [21:47:07] | sid3windr: | and then it no longer boots ;) |
| [21:47:22] | YangYin: | sphery: windows 7 has it for free? |
| [21:47:22] | sphery: | AndyCap: ah, that may only be the "real" (non-beta one), then |
| [21:47:34] | sid3windr: | ye, the rc1:) |
| [21:47:52] | meshe: | i grabbed a win 7 key just in case i wanted to install it for some reason |
| [21:47:54] | AndyCap: | anyhow, I don't think it will be booted much either. :P |
| [21:47:56] | sphery: | AndyCap: would make sense for it to be the non-beta that has the 30-day license |
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| [21:49:04] | sphery: | YangYin: you could also get Windows XP MCE |
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| [21:49:25] | sphery: | But with Windows MCE, you pay for your guide listings up front--i.e. you pay for them when you buy the "OS" |
| [21:49:47] | YangYin: | if i buy the os |
| [21:49:49] | sphery: | and, of course, you cannot use the Windows MCE listings with Myth |
| [21:50:01] | sphery: | So, you get stuck using Windows MCE |
| [21:50:22] | YangYin: | wait wait so does windows xp have guide data with the os? |
| [21:50:38] | AndyCap: | I dunno. windows 7 had. |
| [21:50:43] | sphery: | Windows XP does not include the media center (unless you get the Ultimate edition or whatever) |
| [21:50:50] | sphery: | Windows Vista includes it in more versions |
| [21:50:57] | YangYin: | i have xp pro |
| [21:51:12] | kormoc_: | xp pro != xp MCE |
| [21:51:15] | sphery: | You can buy the Windows XP MCE specifically, though (if you're an OEM, of course, as users don't need it) |
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| [21:51:26] | sphery: | right, XP Pro doesn't have it |
| [21:51:51] | YangYin: | but if i "BUY" windows mce it will have it included |
| [21:52:28] | YangYin: | gotcha |
| [21:52:32] | sid3windr: | man |
| [21:52:32] | YangYin: | wink |
| [21:52:33] | AndyCap: | somehow I think you'd need to pass genuine advantage verification, validation, rectal exam and tests |
| [21:52:34] | sid3windr: | what are you |
| [21:52:35] | sid3windr: | 12? |
| [21:52:42] | sphery: | Please, no winking in here |
| [21:52:54] | kormoc: | winking == bans |
| [21:52:58] | sid3windr: | nudge nudge |
| [21:53:00] | YangYin: | sid3windr: mentaly yes |
| [21:53:02] | sphery: | We do not discuss stealing software/guide data/video |
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| [21:53:10] | YangYin: | whos discussing that |
| [21:53:17] | YangYin: | not me |
| [21:53:20] | YangYin: | not you |
| [21:53:22] | ** AndyCap gets a strange feeling we've been here before. ** | |
| [21:53:43] | kormoc: | YangYin: you implied it, and that's more then we're willing to tolerate |
| [21:54:08] | YangYin: | more? so what happens now then? |
| [21:54:25] | kormoc: | you never do it again and we forget about it |
| [21:54:37] | YangYin: | gotcha wink |
| [21:54:40] | YangYin: | that was the last one |
| [21:54:42] | YangYin: | sorry |
| [21:54:59] | ** kormoc gets the eyes ready ** | |
| [21:56:03] | sphery: | Avert your gaze, innocent people! The eyes are coming! |
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| [21:57:03] | YangYin: | im just confused now |
| [21:57:25] | YangYin: | anyway seems like my peice of junk $60 tuner card isnt what i need |
| [21:57:33] | YangYin: | theres no way i can transcode while watching? |
| [21:57:39] | YangYin: | or after? |
| [21:57:49] | sphery: | YangYin: what's the point of transcoding while watching? |
| [21:57:56] | YangYin: | lol i meant after |
| [21:57:56] | sphery: | if you can watch, you don't need to transcode |
| [21:58:07] | sphery: | if you mean while recording, then, no. |
| [21:58:10] | YangYin: | lol yeah thats why i tried to cath myself |
| [21:58:22] | YangYin: | catch* |
| [21:58:25] | sphery: | after recording, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport |
| [21:58:26] | YangYin: | im slow today |
| [21:58:54] | meshe: | see ya guys, should head back to the inlaws before they call a search team |
| [21:58:59] | sphery: | though, really, a $20 Hauppauge PVR-150 is a /much/ better solution to getting "standard" video types |
| [21:59:11] | sphery: | later, meshe |
| [21:59:47] | YangYin: | see ya |
| [21:59:49] | kormoc: | godspeed meshe |
| [22:00:03] | YangYin: | good luck with the inlaws |
| [22:00:25] | meshe: | hehe, thanks, 2 more days and we're back on the road for the weeklong camping trip |
| [22:01:21] | laga: | meshe: i'm jealous! |
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| [22:05:29] | CoreDump|home: | soooo, the states got its "Fritzl", too |
| [22:05:46] | YangYin: | okay not to bash mythtv but is there a smaller less serverlike program that would be able to do what im trying to do? |
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| [22:07:52] | AndyCap: | CoreDump|home: fritzl had a far better hairdo though |
| [22:09:02] | YangYin: | eh laterz yall |
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| [22:31:24] | sphery: | kormoc: btw, it turns out that videotypes /is/ supposed to contain all the extensions the user is using for MythVideo videos unless they enable Show Unknown File Types (or, kind of Video Browser browses files) |
| [22:31:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, that was a wasted 20 mins of reading my irc buffer... |
| [22:31:38] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:32:33] | sphery: | now you know that framegrabbers are bad and that Schedules Direct is good and that discussing piracy is bad (unless, of course, it's Sept 19 and it's not /that/ kind of piracy) |
| [22:32:46] | sphery: | of course, since you already knew all that... |
| [22:32:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | *wink* |
| [22:32:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [22:33:02] | sphery: | heh |
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| [22:33:46] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [22:33:50] | sphery: | he's back!!! |
| [22:34:06] | ** iamlindoro grumbles at Comcast ** | |
| [22:34:18] | ** iamlindoro checks the log to find out how much trouble he's in ** | |
| [22:34:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | He probably just went 'undercover' — oh wait, 'cum'cast... |
| [22:34:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: don't bother, you didn't miss nothing! ;-) |
| [22:34:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: BTW, isn't there a difference between Show Unknown File Types and Video Browser browses files? (Knowing nothing of MythVideo, it sounds to me like) "Video Browser browses files" only works in Browse mode, right? |
| [22:34:50] | iamlindoro: | Well while I was prevented from surfing the internet I made the trailer browser work properly |
| [22:35:00] | iamlindoro: | wrong-o |
| [22:35:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: that's not to say that we need both (or either setting, really) |
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| [22:35:18] | iamlindoro: | all the views are functionally the same |
| [22:35:24] | iamlindoro: | (in .22) |
| [22:35:32] | iamlindoro: | they differ in presentation only |
| [22:35:43] | iamlindoro: | me runs off to commit things |
| [22:35:47] | iamlindoro: | +/ |
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| [22:36:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: only reference to VideoBrowserNoDB in trunk is the setting itself |
| [22:36:53] | sphery: | same with VideoListUnknownFiletypes , which leads me to believe I must be searching wrong |
| [22:37:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: OK, the difference is (was?) that VideoListUnknownFiletypes actually puts the "other" junk in the DB |
| [22:38:06] | sphery: | where you can configure stuff about it |
| [22:39:52] | sphery: | i.e. you can do metadata for unknown stuff with unknownfiletypes, but not with nodb |
| [22:40:07] | sphery: | but I'm happy if you remove them both... :) |
| [22:40:18] | sphery: | As long as I know the rules, I can configure appropriately |
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| [23:02:51] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [23:03:05] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [23:03:17] | iamlindoro: | I remember when my connection was so stable... |
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| [23:04:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you have a 'net connection in your stables? |
| [23:04:32] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery |
| [23:04:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [23:04:40] | iamlindoro: | ahhh, not enough trouting going on around here any more |
| [23:04:46] | laga: | !trout iamlindoro |
| [23:04:46] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a trout on behalf of laga... ** | |
| [23:04:48] | laga: | yes |
| [23:04:51] | iamlindoro: | !trout laga |
| [23:04:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [23:05:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, am I just not searching right or are VideoBrowserNoDB and VideoListUnknownFiletypes not used in MythVideo, anymore? |
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| [23:15:58] | ** J-e-f-f-A apparently need to re-aim his OTA antenna... ** | |
| [23:19:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | !trout JEDIDIAH__ |
| [23:19:39] | ** MythLogBot slaps JEDIDIAH__ with a trout on behalf of JEDIDIAH__... ** | |
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| [23:21:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | oddly enough, wiping everything and reinstalling from scratched seemed to help me most with my OTA woes. |
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| [23:23:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | after the official cutoff 2 of my favorite OTA channels went away. After the complete wipe/rebuild they all come in better than ever. |
| [23:23:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | odd... |
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| [23:28:43] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: thus my recommending (/very/ often) the Delete all video sources approach to rescanning... |
| [23:34:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | sure |
| [23:34:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | makes sense now that I've experienced it myself firsthand |
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| [23:35:38] | sphery: | woohoo! another believer. :D |
| [23:35:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | doesn't make sense so much as I can acknowledge that things act as observed |
| [23:36:01] | juski: | sphery: why would deleting all video sources be the best way to fix it? |
| [23:36:07] | juski: | in one line please |
| [23:36:09] | juski: | :) |
| [23:36:26] | sphery: | because not deleting it can leave garbage in the DB |
| [23:36:36] | sphery: | i.e. things don't always match up pre/post scan |
| [23:36:44] | sphery: | (sorry, 2 one-liners :) |
| [23:36:49] | juski: | heh |
| [23:37:32] | juski: | if only channel lineups changed less frequently here |
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| [23:37:49] | juski: | we've not had a channel shuffle for about 2 weeks now :D |
| [23:38:08] | sphery: | if only I had finished mythtv-backup_restore-new_channel_reconfigure.patch before feature freeze :) |
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| [23:38:47] | sphery: | though anyone (even 0.22-fixes users) will be able to get the restore script with a simple download and use it |
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| [23:38:56] | sphery: | (technically, even 0.18.1 users could use it) |
| [23:39:17] | juski: | we still support gentoo 'stable' users? :-O |
| [23:39:46] | mike3: | so I just finished setting up "setwakeup.sh" so my computer will shut down and start up via RTC clock. The only thing I am wondering is, when I first start my computer it will set the RTC clock an shut the computer down right away. Why is this???? |
| [23:39:47] | sphery: | but, basically, that patch allows matching up of the already-configured-channels from a backup with the new/unconfigured channels from a scan after a Delete all video sources |
| [23:40:04] | sphery: | (Just have to put the finishing touches on it and then it will go in sometime after 0.22 is out) |
| [23:40:32] | juski: | mike3: got it in .profile or an x init, or something? ;-) |
| [23:41:13] | sphery: | mike3: You mean MythWelcome/mythshutdown shuts down the computer? It does that if you don't tell it not to. |
| [23:41:22] | sphery: | i.e. start mythfrontend and it won't shutdown |
| [23:41:33] | sphery: | (from MythWelcome) |
| [23:41:59] | juski: | I keep forgetting that thing exists |
| [23:42:13] | juski: | part of me wishes it didn't I think |
| [23:42:14] | sphery: | yeah, I don't use it |
| [23:42:33] | sphery: | generally, when my frontend isn't playing back recordings, it's playing Internet radio |
| [23:42:39] | juski: | I've run it once to see what it looked like |
| [23:42:41] | sphery: | shoutcast ftw |
| [23:42:52] | sphery: | same here... started it to see |
| [23:42:57] | juski: | hey whatever happened to eskil & his shoutcast thing? |
| [23:43:04] | sphery: | and realized I didn't need to start it again |
| [23:43:12] | mike3: | sphery: no no... If I first start up my computer it sets the time in wakealarm and then imidately shuts down the computer. WHy is this? |
| [23:43:37] | sphery: | don't know... I'm just using a "one-button-control" shell script for mine, though as I don't want to turn on my TV to turn on radio/select a channel |
| [23:43:39] | juski: | mike3: like I said – is the script linked / called anywhere at startup ? ;-) |
| [23:43:48] | mike3: | sphery: I thought if I hit the start button it will allow me my 1200 seconds to login to the computer and do whatever, but it will shutdown right away. I'm assuming if it had a recording it would stay up |
| [23:44:07] | mike3: | juski i call a script in mythtv /usr/bin/setwakeup |
| [23:44:15] | mike3: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Disable_HWclock_updates |
| [23:44:16] | sphery: | I don't know |
| [23:44:19] | mike3: | i followed that exact guide |
| [23:44:27] | juski: | mike3: yes but is anything causing it? |
| [23:44:40] | mike3: | that's why i'm asking |
| [23:44:41] | juski: | causing? I mean *calling* it |
| [23:44:41] | mike3: | :) |
| [23:45:01] | juski: | if it happens when yu start up & log in I suspect that is the case |
| [23:45:04] | mike3: | i was hoping for a different set of eys |
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| [23:48:06] | mike3: | eyes |
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