| Wednesday, August 26th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | wagnerrp: | at least on tsmuxer, i was half-and-half on which track i had to choose |
| [00:02:43] | wagnerrp: | i thought matroska supported partial file playback |
| [00:06:06] | momelod: | sphery: i still cannot delete the missing recordings |
| [00:07:12] | sphery: | momelod: what happens |
| [00:07:32] | sphery: | does it work the way the FAQ now describes and then it just comes back after you delete it |
| [00:07:32] | gbee: | wasn't that fixed before the release of 0.21? |
| [00:07:35] | momelod: | 2009-08–25 20:07:01.671 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.100.1:6543/1001_20090201213000.nuv |
| [00:07:57] | sphery: | momelod: what happens in mythfrontend |
| [00:08:05] | sphery: | what happens on screen? |
| [00:08:13] | gbee: | i.e. "File does not exist, are you sure you want to delete?" |
| [00:08:18] | momelod: | nothing |
| [00:08:28] | momelod: | just returns to the list, and the recording is still there |
| [00:08:38] | sphery: | returns to the list from what? |
| [00:09:02] | gbee: | momelod: detail step by step what you do and what is displayed |
| [00:09:04] | momelod: | after being prompted to confirm the delete action |
| [00:09:21] | sphery: | which prompt? |
| [00:09:37] | sphery: | The one that says the recording doesn't exist or the one that just asks if you want to delete it? |
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| [00:10:16] | momelod: | 1: highlight recording. 2: hit 'D' for delete. 3. select 'yes, delete it'. 4. back the list of recordings.. |
| [00:10:29] | sphery: | so it never says the recording isn't there |
| [00:10:32] | sphery: | try using the INFO menu |
| [00:10:34] | momelod: | thats right |
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| [00:10:40] | momelod: | same with the info menu.. |
| [00:10:40] | gbee: | check the file permissions, make sure the user you run mythfrontend as has read/write permissions for the recording directory and that file |
| [00:10:44] | sphery: | in 0.21-fixes the DELETE based delete might not work |
| [00:11:18] | sphery: | momelod: yeah, now that you've done what used to be on the FAQ, a file probably exists (just a 0-byte file), so permissions become important, again |
| [00:11:46] | momelod: | right, lemme verify the perms |
| [00:11:51] | sphery: | momelod: can you pastebin the output of and ls -al of the directory that contains the recordings? |
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| [00:13:06] | momelod: | sphery: actually i just relized its only one of the rouge recordings that refuse to delete |
| [00:13:09] | momelod: | the others are gone |
| [00:16:12] | momelod: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1542541 |
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| [00:16:22] | momelod: | that is for the single remaining file that refuses to delete |
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| [00:17:30] | sphery: | momelod: I need the directory permissions, so now: ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/recordings , please (in here is fine for just one line) |
| [00:18:12] | momelod: | drwxrwsr-x 3 mythtv mythtv 98304 2009-08–25 20:12 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
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| [00:18:52] | sphery: | momelod: then, how about: rm /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1001_190000.avi |
| [00:19:22] | sphery: | then go through the (new, now correct) instructions in the FAQ: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F |
| [00:19:36] | sphery: | momelod: might need to do: sudo rm /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1001_190000.avi |
| [00:19:44] | sphery: | depending on who runs the command |
| [00:19:54] | momelod: | it deleted fine using the mythtv account |
| [00:20:00] | sphery: | ok |
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| [00:20:10] | sphery: | now try deleting the metadata using the procedure in the FAQ |
| [00:21:56] | momelod: | says the recording is unavailable, the file cannot be found. I select 'delete' and am prompted with 'are you sure' i select ' yes, delete it' , again am prompted w/ file not found error, are you sure.. i select 'yes, delete it' |
| [00:22:10] | sphery: | and then |
| [00:22:12] | momelod: | frontend spits out "2009-08–25 20:21:48.348 Error: File 'myth://192.168.100.1:6543/1001_190000.avi' missing" repeatedly over and over |
| [00:22:13] | sphery: | *crosses fingers* |
| [00:22:22] | sphery: | yeah, ignore the error in the log file |
| [00:22:29] | sphery: | that's the preview generator trying to make previews for it |
| [00:22:30] | momelod: | and then i am back in the recordings list and that damn listing is still there |
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| [00:23:40] | sphery: | momelod: how about--since all the others deleted successfully--ignoring that one until 0.22 is released (soon) and you've upgraded. I'm sure it will delete properly on 0.22--0.21-fixes has some issues with that, still. |
| [00:24:03] | sphery: | (caused, in this case, by the preview generator changing the status, so we don't treat it as an unavailable recording) |
| [00:24:30] | sphery: | we're hoping for 0.22 in Oct, so you'd only have to ignore it for about 2 mos at most :) |
| [00:25:03] | momelod: | kewl, no problem |
| [00:25:13] | momelod: | im glad i got rid of most of them |
| [00:27:10] | momelod: | any other new features coming up in 0.22 |
| [00:27:18] | sphery: | lots |
| [00:27:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22 |
| [00:28:53] | sphery: | some of the most visible changes in the UI (which now allows a /lot/ more freedom for themers). See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra and http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Home.html for examples |
| [00:29:03] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [00:29:12] | sphery: | and at the last one (Graphite), check out the gallery/videos for MythVideo changes |
| [00:29:15] | sphery: | which are also quite impressive |
| [00:29:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [00:29:44] | momelod: | wow, loving the new ui |
| [00:31:08] | sphery: | yeah, it's impressive |
| [00:31:47] | sphery: | we still need themes, so if you have artistic talent, that's a great place to begin contributing (and you can wait until 0.22 is out and start on it then) |
| [00:32:04] | sphery: | right now Terra and Graphite are really the only 2 themes we have |
| [00:32:24] | sphery: | other than some pale shadows of the "old" legacy themes |
| [00:32:26] | momelod: | i did see something on the wish-list and i dont see it listed in the updates.. i know its a slim chance but ill ask anywayz :) ..will it be possible in 0.22 to tag videos as watched |
| [00:32:30] | dashcloud: | what can I expect from using the channel scanner for my clearqam channels? (either the .21-fixes or the .22 one) |
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| [00:32:50] | sphery: | momelod: don't know... I know there was talk of that, but don't know if it went in |
| [00:32:51] | iamlindoro: | momelod, Already done, I added that 2–3 weeks ago |
| [00:33:05] | sphery: | Oh, wait... I think it might have gone in 2–3 weeks ago. |
| [00:33:09] | sphery: | :) |
| [00:33:21] | momelod: | iamlindoro: sweet! is that specific to mythvideo? where can i read about it |
| [00:33:23] | iamlindoro: | The reason it's not on the feature request list is because I've been clearing them out as I've done them ;) |
| [00:33:35] | momelod: | im glad i asked then :) |
| [00:33:41] | iamlindoro: | momelod, Erm... in the code, I guess... or in the commit log |
| [00:33:52] | momelod: | im almost tempted to install the svn release |
| [00:33:58] | iamlindoro: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21217 |
| [00:34:12] | sphery: | well, now is the time when we're hoping to get testers |
| [00:34:15] | momelod: | sphery: unfortunately i have no artistic talent what so ever. |
| [00:34:22] | sphery: | but note that figuring it out will be basically up to the testers |
| [00:34:28] | sphery: | and there's a /lot/ that's different |
| [00:34:55] | sphery: | If I can tell you one thing before upgrading, it's do a backup /before/ you start and don't lose that backup: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [00:35:07] | momelod: | :) |
| [00:35:13] | momelod: | words of wisdom |
| [00:35:27] | sphery: | you can only go backwards with a backup (from trunk to 0.21-fixes can only be done with a backup) |
| [00:35:47] | sphery: | and if you have any corruption of the data in your DB, there's a good chance the upgrade to trunk will fail |
| [00:36:01] | sphery: | so you need a backup so you don't lose anything |
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| [00:48:15] | santibiotico: | hi |
| [00:51:04] | santibiotico: | is there any way to play h264 with a radeon hd3200 – by using dedicated hw, not cpu - ? xvmc? |
| [00:51:13] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [00:52:59] | santibiotico: | mm |
| [00:55:40] | sphery: | CPU decode ftw! |
| [00:55:47] | sphery: | nvidia GPU for the rest |
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| [01:23:57] | santibiotico: | so will a geforce8300 gpu work ok for 1080p under linux¿ |
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| [01:28:18] | sphery: | It will work fine with CPU decode. I don't use VDPAU (nvidia GPU decode), so someone else will have to let you know if it works for that. |
| [01:29:06] | wagnerrp: | for decode, certainly |
| [01:29:29] | ** sphery guesses that means it may not be ideal for all deinterlacers ** | |
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| [01:29:43] | wagnerrp: | it will work great with the deinterlacers |
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| [01:30:03] | wagnerrp: | you will have no problem what-so-ever playing 1080p |
| [01:30:15] | wagnerrp: | (assuming of course it is a compatible stream, with minimal errors) |
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| [01:40:37] | santibiotico: | but do you mean by using vdpau¿ |
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| [02:00:04] | Morder: | anybody have the same issue i have with ubuntu resetting the resolution when i have the tv turned off? |
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| [03:14:14] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: u around? |
| [03:14:39] | mkrufky: | assuming yes, not that he is the only one that can help..... |
| [03:14:53] | mkrufky: | i got one of those asrock ion 330 boxes |
| [03:15:18] | mkrufky: | set it up in the office today and audio over hdmi was working with mplayer and mythtv |
| [03:15:37] | mkrufky: | i brought it home, and im using the exact same configuration, and i am not hearing any sound |
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| [03:15:58] | mkrufky: | it *seems* like the receiver is set up wrong, or simply user error... but |
| [03:16:18] | mkrufky: | i verified the receiver is set up correctly, and even plugged my cable STB into that same HDMI input to verify that audio works there correctly |
| [03:16:28] | mkrufky: | any ideas? |
| [03:20:33] | wagnerrp: | tv doesnt have HDMI inputs? |
| [03:20:44] | mkrufky: | it has three |
| [03:21:00] | wagnerrp: | see if it works attached to the TV |
| [03:21:05] | mkrufky: | and i did say that i verified audio over hdmi using the cable stb :-P |
| [03:21:08] | mkrufky: | ok, now a bad idea |
| [03:21:12] | mkrufky: | s/now/not |
| [03:21:14] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [03:24:36] | mkrufky: | grrrr that works |
| [03:24:42] | mkrufky: | thats really annoying |
| [03:24:58] | mkrufky: | lol, thanks wagnerrp ... now i have to kick around the receiver ... |
| [03:25:19] | wagnerrp: | sounds fun... you should bring a bat and play some gangsta rap |
| [03:25:29] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [03:30:31] | mkrufky: | well, i re-verified all the connections ...... if i have the ion box plugged direct to the tv, audio works fine, but if it goes thru the receiver, no audio..... but if i plug my cable STB into that same HDMI input, i get audio just fine |
| [03:30:48] | wagnerrp: | love them standards! |
| [03:31:01] | mkrufky: | clearly the software is set up properly, and the receiver is set up properly |
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| [03:31:40] | mkrufky: | i guess this means that nvidia doesnt play nice with my yamaha ? :-( |
| [03:33:18] | sphery: | what are you using for the Audio output device and/or Passthrough device in Myth? |
| [03:36:05] | mkrufky: | actually, passthru isnt working yet, dunno why. ... but for pcm, im using ALSA:plughw:0,3 |
| [03:38:46] | mkrufky: | passthru works on my other machine with the (turtle beach?) optical sound board |
| [03:39:15] | mkrufky: | im sure i can fix the passthru afterwards, but the fact that my receiver is killing the audio over hdmi is annoying |
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| [03:40:04] | sphery: | what happens if you connect it to the receiver and start playback and do: iecset audio on |
| [03:42:57] | mkrufky: | sphery: nothing happens |
| [03:43:04] | mkrufky: | well, i can show u output, hang on |
| [03:43:07] | sphery: | just wondered... |
| [03:43:13] | sphery: | that's ok |
| [03:43:19] | sphery: | was wondering about audible output |
| [03:43:22] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [03:43:59] | sphery: | we don't send IEC958 status bits before the stream, so I wondered if the receiver may just be assuming it's non-audio |
| [03:44:00] | mkrufky: | id like to believe that something can be done, but considering that it works when connected directly to the tv, and that the receiver is set up correctly, it seems like im just screwed |
| [03:44:19] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [03:44:45] | mkrufky: | well, right this moment i am playing an mkv via mplayer using -ao alsa:device=plughw=0.3 |
| [03:44:55] | mkrufky: | and that works also, only when connected directly to the tv |
| [03:45:03] | sphery: | the test we did didn't prove it (some receivers won't allow a change without closing/restarting stream), but if you want to try again, this time doing iecset audio on before starting playback, that will be a good indication it's not that |
| [03:45:26] | mkrufky: | ok, well it so happens that i did exactly that after it failed the first time |
| [03:45:31] | mkrufky: | :-/ |
| [03:46:46] | mkrufky: | i *could* use the spdif output for the time being... but i actually would have preferred to use that input on the receiver for something else .... and of course id prefer to just run the single HDMI cable rather than two |
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| [04:11:27] | iamlindoro: | xris, May I have your permission to apply this mythweb translation after review? |
| [04:11:29] | iamlindoro: | (or kormoc) |
| [04:13:23] | mkrufky: | ...and i just set it all up with optical and it works fine... of course im not satisfied with that |
| [04:13:33] | xris: | iamlindoro: if it's french, you won't get much of a review from me or kormoc |
| [04:13:53] | xris: | I can review spanish, and maybe a little german/italian... but barely. |
| [04:14:12] | iamlindoro: | xris, K. Feel confident w/ it (mom is French, grew up bilingual) :) |
| [04:14:45] | iamlindoro: | About a third of the way through and no errors, I suspect this guy knows his stuff |
| [04:20:50] | ** iamlindoro cannot stop using the word "suspect" for some reason tonight ** | |
| [04:23:41] | xris: | iamlindoro: my brain is fried from reading IRS documents for schedules direct... |
| [04:23:55] | iamlindoro: | That sounds like a barrel of laughs |
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| [04:24:13] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys |
| [04:24:22] | darkdrgn2k: | having a bit of trouble with backend crashing |
| [04:24:25] | darkdrgn2k: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1542778 <- backend log |
| [04:25:05] | darkdrgn2k: | dmesg after crash <- http://www.pastebin.ca/1542779 |
| [04:25:10] | wagnerrp: | are you running old ivtv drivers? |
| [04:25:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, What would lead you to such a wild assumption? ;) |
| [04:25:40] | darkdrgn2k: | ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.4.1 |
| [04:25:51] | darkdrgn2k: | as far as i can tell the last stable is 1.4 |
| [04:25:55] | darkdrgn2k: | so i think its latest.. |
| [04:26:20] | Dagmar: | You compiled them yourself? |
| [04:26:24] | wagnerrp: | technically, 1.4 isnt really a version at all |
| [04:26:25] | darkdrgn2k: | no |
| [04:26:34] | wagnerrp: | from that point and on, they got consumed by the kernel |
| [04:26:35] | darkdrgn2k: | came with distro |
| [04:26:36] | Dagmar: | Good, because you should be using the ones that came with your kernel. |
| [04:26:50] | wagnerrp: | 1.3 was the last version that actually existed partially outside the kernel |
| [04:27:12] | wagnerrp: | 1.4 and on is just a set of tools, no drivers |
| [04:27:18] | darkdrgn2k: | well |
| [04:27:24] | darkdrgn2k: | dmesg returns 1.4.1 when kernel is loeaded |
| [04:27:31] | darkdrgn2k: | when module is loaded |
| [04:27:38] | darkdrgn2k: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1542784 |
| [04:27:59] | wagnerrp: | of course i dont know why the backend would be complaining about ivtv versions |
| [04:28:22] | wagnerrp: | unless that is just a generic warning if it starts capturing VBI data |
| [04:28:36] | darkdrgn2k: | ive seen that warning always |
| [04:28:43] | darkdrgn2k: | and im not using pvr 250 or 350 |
| [04:28:48] | darkdrgn2k: | got a PVR 150 and HVR 1600 |
| [04:32:54] | darkdrgn2k: | any idea |
| [04:32:55] | darkdrgn2k: | s |
| [04:33:12] | darkdrgn2k: | cat /dev/video1 > testing.mpg seems to work fine |
| [04:33:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what this /dev/pvr150 is |
| [04:33:16] | darkdrgn2k: | oo |
| [04:33:19] | darkdrgn2k: | just a rule |
| [04:33:35] | wagnerrp: | i surely dont have one of those |
| [04:33:39] | darkdrgn2k: | KERNEL=="video[0–1]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x4444", SYSFS{device}=="0x0016", SYMLINK+="pvr150" |
| [04:33:39] | darkdrgn2k: | KERNEL=="video[0–1]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1", SYSFS{device}=="0x5b7a", SYMLINK+="hvr1600" |
| [04:33:53] | darkdrgn2k: | udev rules :) |
| [04:34:03] | wagnerrp: | ah, so thats something you put in to keep them separate |
| [04:34:10] | darkdrgn2k: | yep |
| [04:34:22] | darkdrgn2k: | cause my video[0–1] kept jumpint around |
| [04:34:27] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [04:35:10] | darkdrgn2k: | wow.. intersting.. |
| [04:35:21] | darkdrgn2k: | cat /dev/pvr150 > testing.mpg DOESNT work |
| [04:35:38] | clever: | the pvr150 has several video device nodes |
| [04:35:44] | darkdrgn2k: | yes |
| [04:36:00] | clever: | only one outputs mpeg |
| [04:36:12] | darkdrgn2k: | should be /dev/video0 |
| [04:36:20] | darkdrgn2k: | or 1 |
| [04:36:27] | clever: | 0 i beleive |
| [04:36:37] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: depends on which device it is.. |
| [04:36:41] | wagnerrp: | 0 for the first device, 1 for the second device, etc... |
| [04:36:52] | darkdrgn2k: | and first is a very loose term... |
| [04:37:04] | darkdrgn2k: | first device the kernel finds :-P which can change durring a boot |
| [04:37:13] | clever: | not exactly |
| [04:37:24] | clever: | within 1 psysical card, the driver registers 3 device nodes |
| [04:37:31] | clever: | and it does those 3 in the same order every time |
| [04:37:45] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: but it does 0 16 and 32 (i think) |
| [04:37:50] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:37:53] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: with 2 cards it does 0 and 1 |
| [04:38:00] | darkdrgn2k: | 0/1 outputs mpeg |
| [04:38:02] | clever: | so 0 1 and 3 would be the 'first' for 3 seperate cards |
| [04:38:12] | darkdrgn2k: | aa yes i see what you mean |
| [04:38:22] | darkdrgn2k: | unfortunatly you cant predect the 3 sperate cards |
| [04:38:48] | clever: | enless you use udev and the pciid to force them to certain names or symlinks |
| [04:39:15] | darkdrgn2k: | <darkdrgn2k> KERNEL=="video[0–1]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x4444", SYSFS{device}=="0x0016", SYMLINK+="pvr150" |
| [04:39:16] | darkdrgn2k: | <darkdrgn2k> KERNEL=="video[0–1]", SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1", SYSFS{device}=="0x5b7a", SYMLINK+="hvr1600" |
| [04:39:28] | clever: | yep |
| [04:39:36] | darkdrgn2k: | but problem remains |
| [04:39:39] | darkdrgn2k: | why does my dma timeout |
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| [04:40:10] | clever: | which of the 3 devices are you symlinking, within the psysical card |
| [04:40:25] | darkdrgn2k: | KERNEL=="video[0–1]" |
| [04:40:25] | clever: | that may be a link to the framegrabber interface |
| [04:40:39] | darkdrgn2k: | clever: problem is the card works. |
| [04:40:44] | darkdrgn2k: | i just did a cold boot.. and everythign seems fine.. |
| [04:40:48] | clever: | ls -l /dev/pvr150 |
| [04:40:51] | darkdrgn2k: | but it will start crasing again.. just dont know when |
| [04:41:02] | darkdrgn2k: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-08–26 00:38 /dev/pvr150 -> video1 |
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| [04:54:01] | wagnerrp: | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/18264/mspoland.jpg |
| [04:54:16] | wagnerrp: | forgive me... but that looks like something someone put together on 4chan |
| [04:54:50] | wagnerrp: | of course that black guy's head looks too big for his body as it is |
| [04:57:09] | wagnerrp: | in addition, the black/white guy has a macbook, and the woman's monitor is not plugged into anything |
| [04:57:20] | wagnerrp: | (in a microsoft ad) |
| [04:58:28] | darkdrgn2k: | AND theres a cable comming from nothing (off the table) |
| [04:58:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.microsoft.com/businessproductivity/default.mspx |
| [04:58:50] | sphery: | is is the same pic |
| [04:59:01] | sphery: | I do like the macbook in the MS ad |
| [04:59:06] | wagnerrp: | seriously, that dude has a huge head |
| [04:59:12] | wagnerrp: | and what is this cable youre talking about? |
| [04:59:28] | wagnerrp: | i see one coming from the keyboard |
| [04:59:41] | wagnerrp: | and i see one coming from the in-desk power/network box |
| [05:00:34] | wagnerrp: | im not kidding, that head frightens me |
| [05:02:18] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: look in front of the keyboard lower portion of it |
| [05:02:30] | darkdrgn2k: | by the ctrl.. thrs a cable going off the desk.. |
| [05:03:04] | wagnerrp: | i see the edge of a segmented desk... but no cable |
| [05:03:30] | darkdrgn2k: | ok maybe my eyes are bad |
| [05:03:34] | darkdrgn2k: | but i dont see teh segment continue |
| [05:03:39] | darkdrgn2k: | but it could jsut be me.. sorry |
| [05:04:06] | wagnerrp: | you follow it under the keyboard cable (you might mistake it as the shadow of the cable) |
| [05:04:18] | wagnerrp: | through the hole in the monitor stand, and to the inside corner of the desk |
| [05:04:53] | wagnerrp: | you can see a similar split below the banner |
| [05:07:43] | darkdrgn2k: | ok |
| [05:07:44] | darkdrgn2k: | nite time |
| [05:07:46] | darkdrgn2k: | nite guys |
| [05:07:49] | wagnerrp: | apparently they are both photoshopped |
| [05:07:55] | wagnerrp: | this is the original image |
| [05:08:21] | wagnerrp: | http://homepage.mac.com/aleksivic/.Pictures/h . . . TheBusey.jpg |
| [05:11:13] | AndyCap: | I see they woke up in MS corporate now. |
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| [06:06:18] | wagnerrp: | this mythvidexport rewrite is proving to be far more than i originally expected |
| [06:06:23] | iamlindoro: | Bahhhh |
| [06:06:37] | iamlindoro: | FCC gave the cable companies the waiver to turn on encryption on DTAs |
| [06:06:56] | iamlindoro: | adios, unencrypted QAM |
| [06:06:58] | wagnerrp: | its not that theres a lot of code i HAD to write |
| [06:07:17] | wagnerrp: | more that theres a lot of code im reading through and thinking... 'why the hell did i do it that way' |
| [06:08:49] | wagnerrp: | six months of good times |
| [06:09:00] | wagnerrp: | well... at least youre only losing out on standard definition content |
| [06:09:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: sounds like you should start reading coding horror |
| [06:16:46] | iamlindoro: | http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_ . . . amp;site=cdn |
| [06:16:49] | iamlindoro: | for reference |
| [06:17:14] | iamlindoro: | my 3x QAM tuners are going to become relatively worthless |
| [06:17:31] | kormoc: | ouch |
| [06:17:51] | wagnerrp: | i thought you already had a bunch of QAM channels, even before the DTAs |
| [06:18:11] | wagnerrp: | or do you think theyre going to be shutting down all but the broadcast channels now? |
| [06:18:22] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [06:18:31] | iamlindoro: | I would love to be mistaken :) |
| [06:18:40] | sphery: | wow |
| [06:19:08] | ** iamlindoro suspects lots of people will be coming over to sphery's way of thinking soon ** | |
| [06:19:18] | AndyCap: | haha, "Security". yeees, wouldn't want insecurity now would we. |
| [06:19:19] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [06:19:41] | sphery: | if you say "security", then users will like it |
| [06:20:08] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how many users discovered that they could just use those channels directly on their TV, without needing that box |
| [06:21:28] | wagnerrp: | i guess that means the scte channel data will get encrypted as well |
| [06:21:46] | sphery: | now if only they would allow CE companies to make displays without integrated tuners, etc. |
| [06:22:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: eh? |
| [06:22:32] | sphery: | I want to be able to buy monitors instead of TV's |
| [06:22:42] | sphery: | since the integrated tuners and decoders are completely useless to me |
| [06:22:43] | Essobi: | me too |
| [06:22:43] | wagnerrp: | you can... or at least you used to |
| [06:22:51] | AndyCap: | In June 2009, Evolution obtained a three-year waiver to couple its DTAs with an integrated conditional access system from Conax AS |
| [06:23:00] | AndyCap: | hmm, at least they make CAM's available |
| [06:23:09] | wagnerrp: | weve got an old 42" Phillips plasma monitor at work |
| [06:23:17] | wagnerrp: | multiple video inputs, no tuner |
| [06:23:38] | AndyCap: | of course monitors being for the "pro" segment probably cost more. :) |
| [06:23:43] | sphery: | right |
| [06:23:44] | Essobi: | I just saw some 42s on newegg.. |
| [06:24:16] | sphery: | and I have a 67" TV, and haven't seen any monitors in that range |
| [06:24:33] | Essobi: | o_O |
| [06:24:36] | sphery: | and generally don't see monitors with "non-computer-monitor" tech's like DLP or whatever |
| [06:24:48] | Essobi: | I want one of those 120" dlp projectors.... Mmmm. |
| [06:24:53] | AndyCap: | then again, if it's NDS Videoguard or Motorola Mediacipher you're screwed. :) |
| [06:24:59] | sphery: | and the whole point is the cost savings that are possible, which you don't get if you buy in the commercial range |
| [06:25:03] | wagnerrp: | http://www.samsung.com/he/products/monitor/la . . . ay/index.asp |
| [06:26:21] | sphery: | resolutions in the 1024x768 or 1366x768 range |
| [06:26:26] | wagnerrp: | they all seem to be poor resolutions |
| [06:26:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:26:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:26:48] | wagnerrp: | but look! you can have half a trillion colors! |
| [06:26:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:27:19] | wagnerrp: | my god... pixel pitch greater than one |
| [06:27:23] | ** kormoc taps his foot ** | |
| [06:27:25] | wagnerrp: | my laptop is like 1/8th that |
| [06:27:49] | kormoc: | raid-5 rebuilding is ungodly slow |
| [06:28:17] | kormoc: | 95 megabytes per second, ugh, forever |
| [06:28:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002444 |
| [06:29:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824007101 |
| [06:30:21] | wagnerrp: | seems the former is an IPS panel, the latter some form of VA |
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| [06:32:58] | wagnerrp: | im surprised theres not more of a market for these |
| [06:33:12] | wagnerrp: | considering most people with a large TV like that probably arent using the tuners |
| [06:33:28] | sphery: | right |
| [06:33:49] | sphery: | The FCC basically said that anything sold as a "TV" has to have an integrated digital off-air tuner |
| [06:35:11] | wagnerrp: | its not like a tuner is very expensive |
| [06:35:25] | sphery: | yeah, they're coming down |
| [06:35:28] | wagnerrp: | and you still have to include all the video processing hardware if for a monitor |
| [06:35:30] | sphery: | but tuner means integrated decoder |
| [06:35:45] | sphery: | and the decoder is still not dirt cheap (like analog tuners) |
| [06:35:51] | wagnerrp: | and how much does that cost? |
| [06:36:00] | wagnerrp: | a tuner and decoder chip could probably be had for $50 |
| [06:36:21] | wagnerrp: | considering you can buy an nvidia card with one on newegg for $20 |
| [06:36:23] | kormoc: | $50 for a single part is epic costly for mass fabbed parts |
| [06:36:40] | sphery: | when I got my TV in 2006, it was estimated to be around over a couple hundred dollars |
| [06:37:41] | wagnerrp: | i mean they sell the DTV boxes for $40-$50 |
| [06:38:00] | wagnerrp: | and thats a tuner, decoder, scaler, and modulator |
| [06:38:01] | sphery: | yeah, that's because a certain president said they would :) |
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| [07:29:35] | wagnerrp: | well the updates to the export script are finished |
| [07:29:45] | wagnerrp: | ... whether it actually works now is anyone's guess |
| [07:30:05] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed... |
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| [07:41:08] | gisborne: | Evening. My wife is unhappy with various MythTV fails recently. Hope someone can help. |
| [07:42:02] | gisborne: | First, it keeps locking up. Either the menus freeze, or during playback, it stops responding to controls until it's finished. |
| [07:43:38] | gisborne: | Second, the menus just dramatically rearranged themselves. The results are not helpful (eg watch live tv is under Utilities/Setup – TV Utilities; watch video is under Utilities/Setup – Videos) |
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| [07:44:39] | gisborne: | But worst, the tuner settings just silently disappeared, and now I can't get it to tune live TV. I get no signal on any channel, and the snow it's trying to show me is in 4:3 rather than HD. |
| [07:45:00] | gisborne: | My wife is, as I say, unhappy that my expensive box is failing all over the place like this. Please help! |
| [07:47:03] | kormoc: | gisborne: erm... you updated to trunk? |
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| [07:54:49] | gisborne: | I have the standard Ubuntu updater running. |
| [07:55:38] | gisborne: | Is this regarding the menu rearrangement? Because if that's a deliberate redesign by someone at MythBuntu, well, I'm *really* not a fan. |
| [07:56:02] | gisborne: | My biggest issue right now, though, is that I can't get live TV. |
| [07:57:28] | gisborne: | I've a pcHDTV HD3000, if that helps. |
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| [08:05:25] | kormoc: | what's the logs say? |
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| [08:05:31] | gisborne: | Set it up again and it's working now. Weird. |
| [08:05:46] | gisborne: | Any thoughts on freezing, or how to get the old menus back? |
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| [08:06:12] | kormoc: | download the old menu theme and overwrite the current one? |
| [08:06:19] | kormoc: | and what's the logs say re freezing? |
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| [08:09:35] | gisborne: | I'm confused by "menu theme". Aren't the menus defined separately to the themes? |
| [08:09:59] | gisborne: | Were they deliberately rearranged by MythTV or MythBuntu? |
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| [08:13:52] | juski: | gisborne: menu themes define the *content* of the menus |
| [08:13:56] | juski: | damn |
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| [08:57:29] | juski: | don't think there's any menu theme within mythtv that moves 'watch videos' etc to utils/setup |
| [08:57:47] | juski: | and if people are blindly installing updates, they've got what's coming ;-) |
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| [08:59:27] | juski: | oh dear God. somebody is out there saying mythtv 0.22 is gonna be KDE4 all over again. You just can't do right by some people :-\ |
| [09:00:22] | quicksilver: | juski: Illegitimi non carborundum |
| [09:00:32] | juski: | well, it'll be nice when he discovers he's wrong :) |
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| [09:05:54] | juski: | bugger. not sure I like the sound of that, seems like I might be covering somebody on holiday in October at one of our other outposts |
| [09:07:18] | juski: | maybe I'd not feel uneasy about it if the place wasn't where our rather temperamental CEO spends most of his time |
| [09:07:35] | juski: | aka Buzz Killington |
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| [09:15:50] | gbee: | juski: he could well be right, if expectations are not conditioned |
| [09:17:05] | juski: | I took it as meaning he thinks it's going to be an unusable mess. Que sera |
| [09:19:41] | juski: | I take it that an attempt to condition expectations is going to be made, then ;-) |
| [09:21:32] | juski: | FWIW gbee I think 0.22 will be a big move in the right direction in all areas. Not as big as some would |
| [09:22:02] | juski: | bah would've hoped but that can't be helped given the circumstances |
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| [09:24:13] | juski: | I won't be disappointed. the ui rewrite doesn't sound like a small deal to begin with, even without having a small idea what's involved |
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| [09:27:21] | gbee: | of course I think it's a step in the right direction and so far no-one has said otherwise, but 0.22 is well short of where I wanted it to be and yes, the new UI has a way to go |
| [09:28:19] | gbee: | some of the promised features just aren't here yet, which is all my fault for promising things that I hadn't written yet |
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| [09:28:45] | juski: | and any changes to the way things have been done in the past (no matter how wrong or odd they were) are always going to be unpopular. Which is why I'm currently rethinking some of my ideals |
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| [09:31:42] | juski: | nothing to feel guilty about though gbee – we can all only do so much |
| [09:32:25] | juski: | I wish I could help out, I'm just hamstrung by not having a clue ;-) |
| [09:32:41] | juski: | slowly getting somewhere on that front though, I hope |
| [09:33:28] | ** lyricnz makes big sad face, as his mythbox crashes some more ** | |
| [09:34:22] | gbee: | I don't feel guilty, but I do think that we need to be restrained when announcing 0.22 and careful to note that it's a work in progress, that 0.23 will follow in 5 months with more and 0.24 5 months after that |
| [09:37:20] | juski: | I thought all OSS projects were works in progress ;-) |
| [09:38:04] | juski: | no more so than the kernel – if only people didn't keep moving the damn goalposts by bringing out new hardware |
| [09:41:25] | quicksilver: | 5 month release cycle? that's pretty ambitious gbee |
| [09:42:22] | juski: | it's not wrong to aim for it IMHO |
| [09:42:31] | quicksilver: | it's great :) |
| [09:42:42] | quicksilver: | I'm just expressing admiration/impressedness ;) |
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| [09:47:36] | gbee: | not saying that it will continue like that, right now that's the target for 0.23 because the ui port is incomplete, after that there may be point releases including features |
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| [09:48:31] | gbee: | while the rest of us work on getting the major release sorted |
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| [10:15:30] | quicksilver: | for some reason I seem to get more and more DVDs which tickle dvd playback bugs. I wonder if I should try compiling from svn. |
| [10:15:40] | lyricnz: | Anyone recommend dvb tuners that'll work well in Australia? I seem to have nothing but hassle with my Dvico Dual Digital 4's |
| [10:19:19] | gbee: | hdhomerun? |
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| [10:22:57] | jya: | i have two dvico dual digital 4, works fine here... had some issues at the beginning, but got all fixed with 2.6.28 kernel |
| [10:23:37] | ** lyricnz has two, unfortunately different firmware/versions, which seems to make them incompatible. ** | |
| [10:24:13] | lyricnz: | Until recently I was using the V1 dd4, but recently it started just randomly not recording things. The backend log reports it starting, then a bit later saying that the file doesn't exist |
| [10:24:26] | lyricnz: | I don't think my DD4v2 ever worked |
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| [10:33:20] | gbee: | quicksilver: there have been a few DVD related fixes in trunk which were never backported because they were too big] |
| [10:34:09] | quicksilver: | gbee: *nod* I can't even remember what I'm running. |
| [10:34:19] | quicksilver: | gbee: I think I'm still on 0.21 as released. |
| [10:34:24] | quicksilver: | (can't check, I'm at work) |
| [10:34:47] | quicksilver: | gbee: the symptom is that some DVDs the intro/menu works fine but when you get to the real film it's like it's always in pause mode |
| [10:34:57] | quicksilver: | you can skip forward and back and see all kinds of still frames |
| [10:35:01] | quicksilver: | but it won't actually play |
| [10:35:03] | quicksilver: | weird. |
| [10:36:27] | gbee: | quicksilver: well at the very least you should be running 0.21.1 which includes many fixes that may or may not help |
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| [10:39:05] | quicksilver: | I was originally running a package from the debian multimedia repo |
| [10:39:23] | quicksilver: | but then I patched the souce by hand to fix that annoying OSD text size bug that was in 0.21.0 |
| [10:39:37] | quicksilver: | and I can't remember if I patched the deb or what |
| [10:39:43] | quicksilver: | so easy to forget what you did 18 months ago :) |
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| [10:59:24] | juski: | yeah there's a thing. I should dig out the dvds I know I have problems with on 0.21 & try them with trunk. easy, won't take much time |
| [11:00:26] | juski: | cos I've still not got round to ripping my wife's latest Chubby Brown disc |
| [11:04:51] | gbee: | I've yet to have any problems with DVDs in 0.21 aside from some latency and stuttering occassionally when reading from the disc vs an iso |
| [11:05:19] | juski: | hahahaha http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/609112 . . . chester.html |
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| [11:33:46] | Dibblah: | "A few days ago, my MythBuntu 9's menus were suddenly rearranged. The root menu was for playing back recordings, and everything else was under Utilities/Setup." |
| [11:33:51] | Dibblah: | On-topic ha ha. ;) |
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| [12:27:31] | juski: | Dibblah: I'd love to know how that was even possible |
| [12:27:56] | Dibblah: | At a guess, mythbuntu has done a little theme play. |
| [12:28:05] | _ben: | roy chubby brown?! |
| [12:28:14] | juski: | _ben: unfortunately yes |
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| [12:28:32] | laga: | Dibblah: no |
| [12:28:40] | Dibblah: | And some idiot has autoupdating on? |
| [12:28:44] | laga: | Dibblah: AFAIK, the menu theme was left untouched |
| [12:29:01] | Dibblah: | Interesting. It's on the -users list. |
| [12:29:03] | laga: | it's possible he's running trunk (9.10) and he's complaining about the new layout |
| [12:29:19] | juski: | I mean fair play, fiddle with the menus a bit but who in their *right* *mind* would put mythvideo etc under 'utils/setup' ? |
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| [12:42:42] | middy: | hey, just a quick question- is it possible to edit the title/description of a program recorded with mythtv? Trying to correct some bad guide data... thanks for any help! |
| [12:43:11] | gbee: | title yes, description no (not yet anyway) |
| [12:43:43] | middy: | oh ok, cheers for the fast reply- how would i go about that? |
| [12:43:48] | gbee: | Menu > Storage Options > Edit Title, or something like that |
| [12:47:18] | gbee: | Recording Options > Change Recording Title |
| [12:48:08] | middy: | sweet, thanks heaps for that mate |
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| [13:10:56] | BoumBoum: | now you have the result of your seeds lil jj |
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| [13:19:16] | lyricnz: | ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself! |
| [13:21:06] | juski: | I thought about trying to add an edit description option but then thought "who the hell has the patience to type in more than a few chars with the remote?" |
| [13:21:17] | juski: | maybe one for mythweb, that |
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| [13:26:12] | middy: | I was just wondering it was possible for mythweb- just out of curiosity, where is this info stored? Is it in the database or the file metadata? |
| [13:26:47] | juski: | there is no file metadata as such. All the data is in the database |
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| [13:31:34] | middy: | oh ok, just wondering lol- sorry, just another question if someone can help- |
| [13:31:58] | middy: | would changing the subtitle like that (in recording options) have an effect on duplicate rules? There was a problem with my guide data, where a few episodes where "skipped" (i.e. episodes 1–3 aired with subtitle and descriptions of shows 3–6, and the newer episodes with the same subs/descriptions). I changed the subtitle of the recorded shows, and set the duplicate check method to "subtitle" in mythweb, but the new episodes still show |
| [13:31:59] | middy: | duplicates. Any advice would be appreciated, sorry for the long post there... |
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| [13:32:49] | juski: | I guess changing the title/subtitle (and even the description) would have a bearing on duplicate finding |
| [13:33:23] | juski: | any discrepancy between the stuff you've chosen as a rule for finding duplicates results in extra recordings :) |
| [13:33:43] | juski: | erm.. *can* result |
| [13:40:22] | BoumBoum: | hostie d'épaisse |
| [13:40:31] | BoumBoum: | j,ai jamias rine eu contre la police |
| [13:40:37] | BoumBoum: | toi t,es pas une polic |
| [13:40:52] | BoumBoum: | et,es une pute du privé qui essait de prouver sa marde |
| [13:40:54] | BoumBoum: | sale chienne |
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| [13:41:18] | juski: | random |
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| [13:47:58] | middy: | would I have use the "forget old" option in mythweb? |
| [13:48:32] | juski: | if you want them to re-record, yeah |
| [13:49:08] | middy: | i.e. does it mark it in the database as soon as the guide data is updated, but not when changed manually? |
| [13:50:07] | juski: | I think it just marks the scheduler entry so when the scheduler next runs it takes notice of it |
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| [13:51:05] | middy: | ohh ok... seems to have fixed it for now anyways, thanks for all you help mate |
| [13:51:25] | juski: | np :) |
| [13:51:44] | juski: | I might be wrong about what 'forget old' actually does. A peek in the source would verify that |
| [13:52:21] | juski: | or rather *how* 'forget old' actually does it ;-) |
| [13:52:50] | middy: | lol :D I'll have a look around |
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| [14:02:19] | kyler: | I finally got all my upgraded (trunk) MythTV recordings to show. I just had to zero recorded.cutlist. |
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| [14:06:51] | Dassu: | :( trunk |
| [14:07:04] | Dassu: | I've been thinking of using trunk again because of mythtube |
| [14:07:21] | kyler: | In all my experimentation I changed the playlist so that it shows episodes by ascending date instead of descending. Now I'm not finding that setting. |
| [14:08:09] | juski: | Dassu: last time mythtube was updated was a long time ago |
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| [14:09:56] | kyler: | Hmmm...I restored "settings" from backups and I still get listings in ascending date. |
| [14:10:04] | kyler: | (Maybe the backup wasn't old enough.) |
| [14:10:57] | juski: | probably more or less where the setting used to be |
| [14:11:06] | juski: | i.e utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback |
| [14:12:37] | kyler: | juski: In "View Recordings (4/9)" I have "Sort Episodes" = 'Record date" but I don't see an option for "descending". |
| [14:12:51] | kyler: | Oh! |
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| [14:13:12] | kyler: | It's in the "orderings" above...Now I recall doing that. Thanks for the help. |
| [14:13:58] | kyler: | Crud. That didn't do it. |
| [14:15:31] | juski: | did you go all the way to 'finish' in the settings pages? |
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| [14:16:46] | kyler: | juski: Yes. I'm not sure about the values though. I don't think I set these originally so I'm guessing I just want the default values. |
| [14:17:44] | kyler: | I'm trying to get the most recent episodes at the top. |
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| [14:25:12] | kyler: | Ah! I just realized that "Sort all sub-titles/multi-titles" is the start of _two_ options for "Episode sort orderings". I can't see the remainder of those selections on my display. I suspect one is "ascending" and the other is "descending". |
| [14:31:44] | juski: | hahaha mint! Qt has QGLWidget::grabFrameBuffer which returns the framebuffer as an image. That might come in handy for doing a 'blur everything under this popup' feature |
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| [14:34:24] | kyler: | Whew! I finally got it. I found the PlayBoxOrdering listing in programs/mythfrontend/globalsettings.cpp. I was able to figure out which one was descending then. |
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| [14:35:06] | juski: | so uhh.. why couldn't you see all the setup options? |
| [14:35:34] | kyler: | Only "Sort all sub-titles/multi-titles" fit in the selection box. |
| [14:35:53] | wagnerrp: | so last night, some kids wrecked their car near my house |
| [14:36:29] | wagnerrp: | they werent paying attention so they missed their street, and tried to make it anyway... turned too hard, lost control, bumped up on the curb, drove up a guy wire on a telephone pole, and flipped |
| [14:36:42] | wagnerrp: | but of course... speed was the only contributing factor in this incident |
| [14:36:44] | wagnerrp: | because speed kills |
| [14:36:51] | juski: | oops |
| [14:37:28] | juski: | I once took out a telegraph pole. more accurately, a power company pole. fell asleep at the wheel |
| [14:37:44] | juski: | in my case, sleep kills. well it coulda ;-) |
| [14:38:22] | ** wagnerrp hates political flunkies trying to drop speed limits because some people are woefully incompetent ** | |
| [14:38:48] | juski: | save people from themselves! |
| [14:39:00] | wagnerrp: | just because the police in my town cant even manage to stay in their lane on a straight road a 35mph doesnt mean we need lower speed limiits |
| [14:39:06] | juski: | X & Y are bad for you so we're gonna stop you doing X & Y |
| [14:39:19] | kyler: | http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/2009-08-26-103745_800x600_scrot.png |
| [14:39:51] | wagnerrp: | does notta work |
| [14:40:02] | kyler: | Yeah, yeah...I know...I should only run MythTV on a widescreen... |
| [14:40:09] | wagnerrp: | no, the link |
| [14:40:23] | juski: | link worky here |
| [14:40:47] | wagnerrp: | claims it cant find the file |
| [14:40:59] | wagnerrp: | and for some reason, added some funky characters to the filename |
| [14:41:02] | juski: | wagnerrp: did you go through the log? |
| [14:41:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [14:41:19] | juski: | that'll be why. seen that sometimes myself |
| [14:41:22] | wagnerrp: | but the link in my browser address line looks fine |
| [14:41:26] | juski: | it looks right in the log too |
| [14:41:30] | juski: | weird |
| [14:42:17] | wagnerrp: | i retyped EXACTLY what was in my address bar, and it works |
| [14:42:18] | juski: | it's converted a – to something else |
| [14:42:25] | kyler: | wagnerrp: You're at 66.42.247.11? Your browser is requesting "2009-08–26%E2%80%93103745_800x600_scrot.png" |
| [14:42:37] | wagnerrp: | kyler: yeah... but why was it doing that |
| [14:42:43] | juski: | ask Beirdo ;-) |
| [14:42:48] | kyler: | wagnerrp: Dunno. Try http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/ |
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| [14:43:13] | kyler: | wagnerrp: Disregard. I see you got it. |
| [14:43:14] | wagnerrp: | like i said, i retyped it manually, and it worked |
| [14:43:33] | wagnerrp: | anyway, whats the question? |
| [14:43:47] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah.... |
| [14:43:51] | juski: | I asked why he couldn't see the setup option |
| [14:43:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv currently doesnt work with small (standard resolution) screens |
| [14:44:00] | juski: | anyway, hometime :) |
| [14:44:10] | wagnerrp: | thats something that will need to be fixed before trunk is released |
| [14:44:16] | wagnerrp: | juski: isnt it like 3pm over there? |
| [14:46:46] | wagnerrp: | probably, the settings pages will just be split into multiple pages |
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| [15:58:33] | Gav8in: | hello? |
| [15:58:46] | Gav8in: | my irc client is being weird. |
| [15:59:05] | CoreDump|home: | I can read you all right |
| [15:59:17] | Gav8in: | danke. i had to /quote join, its idea of where i was was out of sync. |
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| [15:59:38] | Gav8in: | so i'm getting some segfaults on trunk; how detailed should my bug reports be? |
| [16:00:05] | CoreDump|home: | that I do not know |
| [16:00:54] | iamlindoro: | Should include a detailed description of hot to reproduce, and a backtrace according to the documentation |
| [16:01:04] | iamlindoro: | (which presumes having built myth w/ debug symboles) |
| [16:01:07] | iamlindoro: | symbols |
| [16:01:10] | Gav8in: | right, okie dokie. |
| [16:01:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [16:01:29] | Gav8in: | i can't reproduce any of them, though I'll rebuild with debug symbols. |
| [16:01:31] | iamlindoro: | (for the gdbcommands we're looking for) |
| [16:01:31] | Gav8in: | yeah, i read that. |
| [16:02:57] | Gav8in: | would it be useful to add a SEGV handler that dumped the stack (albiet without function parameters), and then a reporting tool that massaged that into line numbers in the source? |
| [16:03:20] | Dibblah: | Not without symbols, no. |
| [16:03:21] | laga: | function parameters surely would be useful? |
| [16:03:42] | Dibblah: | However, the 'without symbols' builds seem rather pointless to me. |
| [16:03:52] | Gav8in: | yeah, but it's really easy in libc to get the PC locations, and then of course in a symbol-enabled object you can turn those into line numbers easily |
| [16:04:02] | Gav8in: | saves the user running gdb. |
| [16:04:39] | Dibblah: | ... Which AFAIK differ in a profile build. |
| [16:04:47] | Dibblah: | So there's nothing to look them up against. |
| [16:05:00] | Gav8in: | the source code line numbers change? |
| [16:05:04] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [16:05:04] | ** Gav8in confused. ** | |
| [16:05:18] | Dibblah: | The addresses in the executable image in memory change. |
| [16:05:37] | Gav8in: | sure, of course. libc's output of the pc in a backtrace is of course relative to relocatin addresses! |
| [16:05:52] | Gav8in: | eg: ./backtrace-out(dummy_function+0x9) [0x4008dc] |
| [16:06:04] | Dibblah: | However, I generally end up suggesting that everyone builds with profile. |
| [16:06:25] | Gav8in: | by with profile, you mean gprof ? |
| [16:06:34] | Dibblah: | No, I mean the build type. |
| [16:07:01] | Dibblah: | Which ends up as a version with optimisations and symbols. |
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| [16:10:28] | Gav8in: | aha, yes, the makefile doesn't link in gprof when you request a "profile" build. |
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| [16:11:42] | sphery: | gbee: re: #6786 (TeardownPlayer() not called), GreyFoxx was looking into it, but I think he wanted a player person to confirm it. |
| [16:14:24] | gbee: | sphery: right, thanks |
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| [16:22:05] | ss1981: | hello, does anyone can give me some help on configuring a webcam for mythphone? |
| [16:22:15] | wagnerrp: | ss1981: no such thing |
| [16:24:05] | wagnerrp: | ill expand on that a little.... |
| [16:24:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ss1981: mythphone will not be in 0.22, so it's kinda not worth the effort... |
| [16:24:14] | wagnerrp: | no one has maintained mythphone for several years |
| [16:24:23] | wagnerrp: | so it got dropped out of trunk several months ago |
| [16:24:30] | wagnerrp: | and trunk will turn into 0.22 in a couple weeks |
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| [16:26:54] | gbee: | month |
| [16:27:30] | gbee: | two weeks from now is the second feature freeze, release won't be for at least a another month from now |
| [16:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... He should have said 'a few weeks'... Because "a few" is defined as "from 3 to 27" from what I understand... ;-) So that would give up to 6 months... ;-) heheheheh |
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| [16:31:22] | wagnerrp: | ok.. i use 'couple' as 2–6 |
| [16:32:30] | ss1981: | ok thank you, I suspect this thing, but anyone can tell me if myth support uvc webcam and v4l2 ? |
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| [16:33:34] | wagnerrp: | it should be able to record off of them, using it as a standard v4l capture input |
| [16:33:42] | wagnerrp: | the UVC ones, you may have to define it as mjpeg cpture |
| [16:35:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | ss1981: in addition, if recording with Myth as a 'tuner' using v4l and no listings data, the recordings would be split into 30 minute timeslots of "Unknown", at :00 and :30 of every hour. |
| [16:36:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | ss1981: If you want to use it as a security camera of sorts, in 0.21 there is a 'mythzoneminder' plugin, but I don't remember if it's been dropped in trunk (to become 0.22) as well... |
| [16:37:07] | iamlindoro: | it's still in trunk |
| [16:37:11] | iamlindoro: | though it vexes me so |
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| [16:41:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Gee – you think $17.46 (incl shipping) is fair for three 1-foot FireWire 6P-6P cables? I'll only need 2, but thought I'd get a 'spare' incase I add a 4th receiver in the future... |
| [16:42:22] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Guess it depends on what monoprice wants for them :) |
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| [16:42:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shortest one that monoprice has is either 3' or 6'... These are 1' ;-) |
| [16:43:06] | kormoc: | network cables? |
| [16:43:11] | wagnerrp: | firewire |
| [16:43:20] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: But monoprice's ar $2 |
| [16:43:21] | ** wagnerrp points kormoc to the beirdo ** | |
| [16:43:36] | ** iamlindoro would buy the $2 cables and use a wire wrap ** | |
| [16:44:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [16:44:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... These are $3.50 each, less clutter... ;-) Of course, i could always buy a monoprice cable and some ends and roll my own... ;-) |
| [16:44:31] | wagnerrp: | 3' cables and some wirewrap would look considerably better/more anal retentive |
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| [16:45:10] | kormoc: | Mmm... 992 gigs free |
| [16:45:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: gee, last time I saw that much free space was when I lost a drive or two.. :-O |
| [16:45:48] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [16:47:00] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, meh, I could take that to 1800ish but then I'd lose a spare |
| [16:47:05] | wagnerrp: | im thinking of some other term... not wrapping |
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| [16:48:05] | wagnerrp: | what is it called when you run a vinyl cord along with your wire bundle, that you use to tie off every six inches or so? |
| [16:48:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: wagnerrp – well, 3 3' cables from monoprice, shipped would be $7.33... So it's about $10 more for shorter cables... I dunno, I know it's more, but I'm leaning towards the shorter cables... ;-) |
| [16:48:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Zip ties? |
| [16:49:03] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: no, this is one big long continuous cord |
| [16:49:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, in the sound world that's a 'snake'... ;-) |
| [16:50:31] | wagnerrp: | this is a bit more simple than that |
| [16:52:31] | wagnerrp: | cable lacing... thats what i was thinking of |
| [16:54:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, I found a site that makes custom cables, right-angle ends in any direction, any length, etc. Just $60 per cable!!!! I just ordered three 6" cables... NOT! |
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| [16:56:06] | kormoc: | the bloody amount of options with firewire cables are absurd |
| [16:56:46] | kormoc: | 6 pin, 9 pin, FW800, and everything uses a different a-b style |
| [16:57:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any idea why an entry in videometadata would not be visible in mythvideo? |
| [16:58:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Marked as browsable = 0? |
| [16:58:22] | wagnerrp: | browsable is 1 |
| [16:58:27] | wagnerrp: | what if 'rating' is empty? |
| [16:58:49] | wagnerrp: | or showlevel |
| [16:58:52] | iamlindoro: | showlevel = 0? |
| [16:59:02] | iamlindoro: | if showlevel is null or 0 it will be invisible |
| [16:59:04] | wagnerrp: | empty, forgot to set those |
| [16:59:05] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [16:59:08] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem |
| [16:59:23] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [17:03:22] | messerting: | Hi, my backend (trunk) is complaining about "Program #1 not found in PAT!", and I was told to rescan my transport. So I did, but I still get those messages. So my question is: Is #1 refering to the channel number? |
| [17:03:30] | messerting: | could I simply delete that channel? |
| [17:06:19] | messerting: | These errors might be harmless for what I know, but my real problem is that my recordings end up at 0 MB (while livetv is actually recorded) |
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| [17:07:04] | messerting: | Could there be some crucial option I've forgot to set? (DVB-C) |
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| [17:23:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | messerting: some googling turned up a similar issue from the 0.20 days (Jan 2008), and the fix was to delete all channels and re-scan as simply re-scanning did not fix the issue. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/309737 — probably still holds true for 0.21-fixes |
| [17:26:25] | messerting: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks – I've been wiping out my db several times the last few days, and will test some more. I have a program set to be recorded that ends in 5 mins, will look at the logs and see what happens :) |
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| [17:28:38] | messerting: | I'm using trunk btw – is 0.22 right around the corner now? I really like the new features (eg. PBP, and possibility to watch livetv/recordings) great work guys! |
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| [17:29:23] | clever: | dangit |
| [17:29:30] | clever: | mythtv tried to capture from the webcam again |
| [17:29:33] | gbee: | pretty sure the possibility to watch livetv and recordings has always been there |
| [17:29:38] | clever: | video0 and video1 keep getting mixed up |
| [17:29:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: udev rules... ;-) |
| [17:30:06] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i just threw a rmmod;modprobe combo on my mythtv start script |
| [17:30:27] | clever: | but its odd that the pci drivers are loading after the usb ones |
| [17:30:33] | clever: | because the usb board is pci:P |
| [17:30:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I had to do the same thing for my usb-serial adapter for X10 control and my usb LCD... ;-) |
| [17:31:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: it wasn't too hard once i figured out how to do it... ;-) (There was TOO MUCH info on searches, often confusing...) |
| [17:31:50] | clever: | ive done the udev magic before when i had 2 usb cams on the same box |
| [17:33:21] | messerting: | clever: Here's my udev magic doing just that: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1543569 |
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| [17:33:53] | clever: | ah, a pvr500 |
| [17:34:07] | clever: | though mythtv-setup probly wont like those symlinks |
| [17:34:14] | clever: | i'm expecting id have to hack the db to make it use those |
| [17:34:31] | messerting: | yes, lemme check my notes |
| [17:34:32] | clever: | ah, you forced the names also |
| [17:34:39] | clever: | i read the comment on line 4 |
| [17:34:44] | messerting: | yes – that's true |
| [17:34:59] | clever: | so it has static device nodes and symlinks |
| [17:35:04] | messerting: | guess I did that to avoid hacking the db |
| [17:35:32] | messerting: | I don't use my PVR500 anymore, though |
| [17:35:49] | clever: | i stoped using my frame grabber when the alsa drivers went tits up |
| [17:36:00] | clever: | i really need to fix those, i cant even play sound on that box anymore |
| [17:36:08] | kormoc: | I doubt myth cares if a devnode it's pointing at is a symlink or not |
| [17:36:34] | clever: | kormoc: yeah, but it wont be looking for /dev/pvr-500–0, its expecting /dev/video* |
| [17:36:59] | clever: | the symlinks rarely fit into the expected filename, so they wont be in the list of dev nodes you can pick from |
| [17:37:42] | clever: | SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", SYSFS{model}=="3Com Home Connect Lite", SYMLINK+="video3com" |
| [17:37:48] | clever: | thats why i prefix'd mine with 'video' |
| [17:39:51] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't care what node you use |
| [17:39:57] | iamlindoro: | you can just type it in in mythtv-setup |
| [17:40:19] | clever: | forgot about that fact |
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| [18:00:16] | anykey_: | Why would I get stuttering with VDPAU on BBC HD with a GeForce 9400GT? I've already enabled OpenGL VSync and Extra audio buffering... |
| [18:01:20] | iamlindoro: | deinterlacer set too high, or cpu throttling the clock speed too far back |
| [18:02:05] | anykey_: | cpu throttling is disabled and I can even set the deinterlacer to none and the stuttering is still there (on a 720p channel) |
| [18:02:19] | juski: | I thought BBCHD was 1080i |
| [18:02:23] | iamlindoro: | BBC HD shouldn't be 720p... |
| [18:02:57] | iamlindoro: | Also possible you have video set as timebase or something like that |
| [18:03:00] | anykey_: | yeah, BBC HD is 1080i, my point was that even with no deinterlacer (not needed on a 720p channel, not BBC HD) the stuttering still exists |
| [18:03:07] | juski: | they've recently halved their bitrate, so maybe they've messed with other encoding parameters |
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| [18:04:08] | janneg: | anykey_: I think jya has similar problems with vdpau |
| [18:04:24] | anykey_: | janneg: any solution yet? |
| [18:04:30] | janneg: | no |
| [18:04:43] | anykey_: | anything I can do to investigate? |
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| [18:07:17] | messerting: | So, I've read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/309737 suggested by J-e-f-f-A, but it seems those errors are not expected to cause empty recordings. Anyway, I'll delete all my channels, and rescan again, whish me luck... 8-) |
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| [18:09:09] | janneg: | anykey_: does it happen with zdf hd? |
| [18:09:23] | anykey_: | janneg: is that channel still running? |
| [18:09:43] | janneg: | just the trailer |
| [18:10:02] | anykey_: | The stuttering is less noticable to none on HD suisse now, arte HD is ok too, Anixe + BBC HD (both interlaced) not |
| [18:10:10] | anykey_: | (with no deinterlacer enabled) |
| [18:10:18] | anykey_: | i'll try ZDF HD in a minute |
| [18:10:35] | kormoc: | Woo! Go Peter Brouwer, sending a 'test' email to the dev list |
| [18:10:43] | kormoc: | Dum Bass |
| [18:10:52] | janneg: | ard hd has only a still picture until september 3rd |
| [18:11:19] | janneg: | kormoc: better than the idiot inviting mythtv-dev to facebook |
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| [18:11:39] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v sphery | |
| [18:12:15] | janneg: | or the "sent from my idiotPhone" without text and a full quote |
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| [18:13:51] | gbee: | idiotPhone, I like it :) |
| [18:13:55] | snakedoc: | hi, suddenly all my records started get broken and i have no idea why, the backend log keeps spamming same messages over and over again |
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| [18:23:20] | juski: | oh no, just seen your Mr Beck on our teevee again. This time on Charlie Brooker's show. That is one crazy MF |
| [18:23:29] | laga: | glenn beck? |
| [18:23:34] | juski: | yup |
| [18:23:42] | laga: | sigh |
| [18:23:45] | laga: | reddit is full of him |
| [18:23:55] | juski: | clips of him keep showing up on shows I watch |
| [18:24:21] | laga: | i'm going to block reddit.com using /etc/hosts. every time i go back there, i'm just annoyed by it always being glenn beck and the same stupid memes |
| [18:25:26] | juski: | you'll get round it somehow ;) |
| [18:26:21] | laga: | hehe |
| [18:30:43] | ** juski sets 'Shooting Stars' to 'record once' after reading the RadioTimes review ** | |
| [18:33:14] | iamlindoro: | Do they actually shoot stars? because that would be worth watching |
| [18:33:24] | iamlindoro: | let's start with hannah montana |
| [18:34:23] | juski: | lol. now THAT I would set to 'record at any time on any channel' |
| [18:35:00] | juski: | it's a surreal post-modernish anti-panel game show that was popular (and still relevant) in the 1990s |
| [18:39:44] | AndyCap: | Heh, I'm pretty sure Charlie Brooker suggested something like that in screen burn. |
| [18:39:46] | anykey_: | janneg: ZDF HD works as does HD suisse |
| [18:41:02] | anykey_: | janneg: after a few minutes though, the stuttering begins again |
| [18:42:29] | anykey_: | janneg: lots of NVP(0): prebuffering pause messages in the log |
| [18:46:18] | Gav8in: | i read "actually shoot stars" and thought "aren't they really far away?" |
| [18:46:24] | Gav8in: | (except the one, i guess) |
| [18:46:48] | messerting: | Anyone knows of a good program to sniff the relevant frequencies/sr/modulation to be used in mythtvsetup? I've been using w_scan which gives me 14 frequencies, but I don't know which one(s) to use |
| [18:46:58] | messerting: | dvb-c, digital cable tv |
| [18:47:32] | messerting: | sending an email to the cable company won't give any results me thinks.. |
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| [18:53:45] | messerting: | ok, I'll pick one at random, and see what channels I get.. |
| [18:56:42] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: So up to date on mythweb and now the stream seems to set the right address (I Think), but still fails to stream as it did before |
| [19:02:40] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:02:48] | kormoc: | what's the url it's attempting to stream from? |
| [19:02:51] | kormoc: | (is it valid?) |
| [19:03:19] | iamlindoro: | 192.168.0.99 – - [26/Aug/2009:12:01:19 -0700] "GET /mythweb/tv/detail/1736/pl/stream/1736/1244249940.flv HTTP/1.1" 302 20 "http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/tv/detail/1736/1244249940" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_6; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Safari/528.16" |
| [19:03:49] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:03:56] | kormoc: | it's as if the base href isn't being respected... |
| [19:03:57] | iamlindoro: | It seems pretty right... just no pitchers |
| [19:04:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: You're streaming baseball? ;-) |
| [19:04:21] | kormoc: | well, it should be mythweb/pl/stream not mythweb/tv/detail.../pl/stream |
| [19:04:32] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: No.. why? |
| [19:04:38] | iamlindoro: | Just testing random recordings |
| [19:04:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: pitchers vs pictures ... ;-) |
| [19:04:49] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [19:06:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: sorry... couldn't resist. ;-) |
| [19:14:46] | ** J-e-f-f-A used to stream Baseball games and Nascar for a few co-workers using 0.20 and mythstreamtv... ;-) (a few years ago now!) ** | |
| [19:16:27] | iamlindoro: | *shudder* Nascar... |
| [19:17:42] | juski: | some people actually do *work* at work apparently |
| [19:18:04] | gbee: | wait, what? |
| [19:18:23] | ** Gav8in is reconciling historic currency rates for airlines, AS WE SPEAK. ** | |
| [19:18:55] | kormoc: | We're speaking? cause if we are, I can't hear a word you are saying |
| [19:18:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: hehehe... I didn't watch it (Well, I did the ball games), but did it as a favor to them... ;-) And wait, we're supposed to work while we're at work? Then why do they give us Internet access??? ;-) |
| [19:19:06] | Gav8in: | kormoc: it's like a metaphor |
| [19:19:28] | juski: | kormoc: try lip reading. works for me (tm) |
| [19:20:11] | juski: | time now to try some more hackery |
| [19:28:59] | juski: | is there any kind of editor which shows you what you've changed somehow? |
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| [19:30:38] | snakedog: | when i add a a program to record i get the message GetPlaybackURL: ... should be local, but it can not be found. what has gone wrong? |
| [19:31:36] | juski: | frontend on a different machine but has the same hostname as the backend? |
| [19:32:23] | snakedog: | everything on the same machine, i tried to add it from mythweb |
| [19:32:42] | juski: | tried to add what from mythweb? |
| [19:32:59] | snakedog: | the program to record |
| [19:33:35] | juski: | I think GetPlaybackURL is what happens when you try to play recordings |
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| [19:34:06] | juski: | whee made the clock second hand optional :) |
| [19:34:55] | snakedog: | then i guess mythweb is trying to get a screen shot but can't find the file... but why is it missing in the first place, i see no other errors in the log |
| [19:36:54] | snakedog: | ati + ubuntu 9.04 + mythtv = no-go, i've had so much trouble with it lately |
| [19:37:06] | juski: | why would it be trying to get a screenshot from something which hasn't yet been recorded? |
| [19:37:56] | snakedog: | the mythweb takes a screenshot for a preview image that then show up in mythweb recorded programmes |
| [19:38:06] | juski: | yes when it's been recorded |
| [19:38:10] | juski: | not before |
| [19:38:19] | sphery: | snakedog: it sounds like you're using a digital card and you're starting LiveTV and getting a preview error in the logs |
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| [19:38:42] | sphery: | snakedog: if so, it's probably just the preview generator trying to make a preview of the dummy video that's used to set up the player |
| [19:38:45] | sphery: | it's not an error |
| [19:38:52] | sphery: | it's just ugly |
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| [19:39:54] | snakedog: | i just added a a program for recording thats all, i've had lots of issues with recording lately files ending up with size B, sometimes it stops after 2 min of recording and sometimes like now, its just a grand failure :( |
| [19:40:15] | juski: | you could be having problems with the signal level |
| [19:40:28] | juski: | or using USB tuners which have a habit of disconnecting |
| [19:40:37] | snakedog: | good point gonna check the cable |
| [19:41:59] | juski: | haha the 3D episode of Chuck looks like it was shot in NTSC |
| [19:42:58] | kormoc: | that's the 3d part |
| [19:43:15] | Dagmar: | It was |
| [19:43:32] | juski: | I mean it looks like US imports used to look :) |
| [19:44:03] | iamlindoro: | It was, however, not shot in NTSC |
| [19:45:50] | snakedog: | no luck... |
| [19:45:55] | Dagmar: | It doesnt' really matter. |
| [19:46:05] | Dagmar: | What matters was the segment with the blonde was NOT NEARLY long enough |
| [19:46:27] | Dagmar: | If there'd been 20 minutes of that, then maybe we'd have had enough |
| [19:46:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: so red & blue 'shadows'? old-school 3D I take it... ;-) |
| [19:47:14] | Dagmar: | It's the "new" yellow and blue |
| [19:47:52] | Dagmar: | ...the main advantage of that being that the yellow and blue is slightly less eye-watering to look at without special glasses |
| [19:47:59] | Dagmar: | _slightly_ |
| [19:48:06] | sphery: | the new yellow and blue was used in Amityville 3D in 1983 |
| [19:48:16] | Dagmar: | Complain to Intel |
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| [19:49:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Yeah, slightly... yikes. But I guess they can't yet transmit polarized light via a standard MPEG stream... Well, I suppose they could but most display devices couldn't interpret it and display it in 3D form... ;-) |
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| [19:49:47] | ** sphery didn't realize that MPEG contained any light--polarized or not ;) ** | |
| [19:49:48] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: sure, you just make a special adaptation of 'angle' |
| [19:49:55] | wagnerrp: | you send two separate video streams |
| [19:50:17] | Gav8in: | in a sense, they are angles |
| [19:50:18] | wagnerrp: | non-compatible TVs will just display the one stream |
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| [19:50:59] | ** Gav8in imagines a TV with a rapidly rotating polaroid lens in front of it ** | |
| [19:51:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehe... you know what I meant... hehe |
| [19:51:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, that could work. The new Laser TVs are supposed to be 3D capable – not sure if that's with or without special glasses. |
| [19:52:58] | kormoc: | Mmm... lasers direct into the eye.... |
| [19:53:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | I remember Amiga games years ago that were 3D that used LCD shutter glasses – too much flicker for me... Effectively 30hz display rate... |
| [19:54:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehe... Projection, so diffused. ;-) I wonder how they get around the 'twinkling' effect of lasers though... |
| [19:55:22] | Gav8in: | i'm telling you, bit spinning polaroid lens! |
| [19:55:25] | Gav8in: | err,big |
| [19:55:50] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, until your wiimote goes though the tv and you're bathed in lasers? |
| [19:56:11] | Dagmar: | more pew pew less qq |
| [19:56:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehehe... Maybe that's why they're not on the market yet! ;-) |
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| [19:58:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Actually, they are available ... ;-) On sale for $6000 – MitsubishiÂ’s stunning L65A90 65-Inch LaserVue Rear Projection HDTV |
| [19:58:53] | iamlindoro: | Keep the lasers out of my rear projection, thanks |
| [20:00:19] | kormoc: | When big bro gets tired of listening in, they just increase the power and problem solved |
| [20:04:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe... this thing is pretty amazing... 105" deep, 136.4lbs. UGH – It's got a DLP chip too... I wonder if it's prone to rainbows like 'regular' DLPs with color wheels... |
| [20:04:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^that's 10-point-5" deep... lost the . I think... |
| [20:04:43] | kormoc: | 105" deep? |
| [20:04:57] | kormoc: | well, that's still fairly thick compared to LED sets |
| [20:05:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: yeah. Although, they're calling LED-Backlit LCD sets "LED" sets now... quite misleading IMHO... |
| [20:06:45] | sid3windr: | true.dat |
| [20:09:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | wow... just 96 watts to run it... nice... |
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| [20:13:20] | iamlindoro: | Speakers of non-english languages, if you wanted something to do to help for .22: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-August/262587.html |
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| [20:26:47] | juski: | that wasn't so bad. no headache |
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| [20:29:04] | laga: | juski: you can have mine |
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| [20:38:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro: english languages too, en_us |
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| [20:40:51] | anykey_: | If I mounted my videos under /share/Video and set that path as directory that holds the videos in mythvideo, why would I get no files found? |
| [20:40:55] | gbee: | and non-terrestrial if you prefer, klingon, Elvish ... |
| [20:41:28] | juski: | Estuary English please, innit |
| [20:41:33] | _ben: | are there any files in it? :p |
| [20:41:42] | anykey_: | _ben: yes there are ;) |
| [20:41:45] | _ben: | sorry, couldn't resist |
| [20:42:52] | iamlindoro: | gbee: heh, noted |
| [20:43:22] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Did you scan for changes? |
| [20:43:54] | kormoc: | did you restart the frontend after dancing in the pale moonlight with a beheaded chicken? |
| [20:43:54] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: (assuming trunk) Press I->Scan For changes, leave mythvideo, count slowly to five, re-enter mythvideo |
| [20:44:19] | iamlindoro: | and if using Graphite, the no-metadata files are non-obvious, so try moving the cursor around |
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| [20:45:45] | gbee: | I suppose non-terrestrial languages would require special fonts |
| [20:46:19] | sphery: | and Unicode refused the Klingon charset... |
| [20:46:24] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: I assumed the "Manage Video" dialog would at least find some files... |
| [20:46:32] | juski: | never mind RTL.. what about DTU ? |
| [20:46:33] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: but I->Scan for changes works |
| [20:46:49] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Video manager is no longer necessary |
| [20:47:28] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: how would one fetch the metadata then? |
| [20:47:42] | sphery: | is that going to be pulled? did And uin mention a reason for leaving it... (half remembering his doing so, but not what it was) |
| [20:47:42] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: highlight an item, press W |
| [20:48:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Leaving it, pulled for .23, ease transition pain |
| [20:48:19] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: ah thanks, seems to miss some python things ;) |
| [20:49:07] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [20:49:08] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: If you are missing deps, can you report them here so that we can let packagers know to add them? |
| [20:49:24] | iamlindoro: | (I'm guessing you're trying to DL TV material w/ ttvdb.py) |
| [20:49:35] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: sure |
| [20:49:44] | iamlindoro: | thx |
| [20:51:43] | sphery: | oops... thought I was here. |
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| [20:54:24] | sphery: | gbee: Should I change the owner of the 2 tickets I just closed to me? (Would be nice if trac did that automatically on a Fixes/Closes commit.) |
| [20:57:24] | gbee: | sphery: up to you, I like it to be clear for anyone researching a bug to know which version included and who was responsible for a fix, though in the latter the commit message tells me |
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| [20:59:59] | janneg: | sphery: I (and probably all other) don't change the owner if the ticket is closed by a commit. |
| [21:00:47] | sphery: | yeah, I didn't know if it would be easier for you all if I, particularly, did this at least for a while |
| [21:00:49] | janneg: | that's the reason why ijr has fixed 207 tickets for 0.22 |
| [21:01:25] | sphery: | just to make it easier to search/find stuff from "the new guy" |
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| [21:01:45] | sphery: | Anyway, I'll leave it unless someone asks me to do otherwise. Thanks. |
| [21:04:21] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: for ttvdb.py I needed to compile python with the XML useflag, that was all ;) |
| [21:04:28] | janneg: | 0.22 is coming along nicely. already at 85% closed tickets. it was at 77% maybe 10 days ago |
| [21:04:46] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: Ah, okay-- suspect that won't be necessary for most distros-- what are you running? |
| [21:04:53] | iamlindoro: | oh, useflag |
| [21:04:55] | iamlindoro: | gentoo :) |
| [21:04:56] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: custom gentoo installation, stripped down |
| [21:05:11] | iamlindoro: | Yet another thing to watch out for w/ gentoo in .22 :) |
| [21:07:54] | ** kormoc wonders what person doesn't run a custom gentoo installation ** | |
| [21:08:03] | janneg: | someone should go through 2696 closed tickets from the unknown milestone ;) |
| [21:08:11] | ** kormoc also wonders who would use feature="nostrip" as well ** | |
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| [21:08:28] | anykey_: | kormoc: most users won't use ROOT= in front of emerge.. |
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| [21:09:18] | kormoc: | I don't really think there's any good reason to do that |
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| [21:13:37] | kormoc: | and a alternative root build point I don't really consider custom |
| [21:13:39] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [21:20:21] | iamlindoro: | "It had switched to the ugly orange theme and lost tuner settings. " |
| [21:20:25] | iamlindoro: | Do we have an orange theme? |
| [21:21:01] | kormoc: | no? |
| [21:21:14] | kormoc: | but there was one for 0.18 that was fairly orange |
| [21:21:30] | iamlindoro: | color blindness? |
| [21:21:39] | juski: | ahh leafers-wide we loved you not |
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| [21:25:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'd guess that the ugly orange theme is actually a gray theme with some orange stuff in it |
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| [21:26:01] | sphery: | I G.A.N.T think of its name, right now. |
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| [21:26:15] | iamlindoro: | You Blue me away just then |
| [21:26:37] | ** kormoc weeps ** | |
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| [21:27:25] | iamlindoro: | I keep trying to Terra myself away from this channel, but you guys are too much fun |
| [21:27:25] | kormoc: | One day, there will be a G.A.N.T-WIDE-MYTHUI... ONE DAY!!! |
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| [21:27:58] | iamlindoro: | Don't make this default of others, kormoc |
| [21:28:04] | iamlindoro: | Oh that's right, default's a theme. |
| [21:28:05] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [21:28:08] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [21:28:31] | ** kormoc wonders when he gets animated flames in mythui for his GDIAF theme ** | |
| [21:28:49] | kormoc: | "To fix that problem, you have to switch to the GDIAF theme" |
| [21:28:51] | sphery: | I want to make a theme with pictures of mobile homes in the background. It would be only for 16:9 screens, of course (as it would contain side views, not end views, of the homes). I'd call it double-wide. |
| [21:29:02] | iamlindoro: | harrrrr har har |
| [21:29:31] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone have any suggestions about what could cause mythfrontend to suffer from bad audio sync |
| [21:29:36] | iamlindoro: | I have a great idea for a MythUI'd program guide, but I need gbee to finish it's MythUI'ification |
| [21:29:47] | EvilGuru: | On of my frontends, my main mythbuntu one, has currently started suffering from this |
| [21:30:07] | kormoc: | EvilGuru, disable/turnoff/remove/etc pulse audio |
| [21:30:09] | EvilGuru: | Pausing and seeking usually make it worse, and the audio can often get several seconds out of sync |
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| [21:30:37] | EvilGuru: | kormoc: Pulse audio, could explain something, as after a recent update I had to switch to /dev/dsp from ALSA as I was 'hearing double' |
| [21:31:35] | EvilGuru: | Is there a simple way to banish pulse audio from a mythbuntu system or do I need to grok around in aptitude |
| [21:31:50] | kormoc: | I wouldn't know |
| [21:31:50] | cityLights: | yes you can kill it |
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| [21:32:11] | cityLights: | you can leave it in while not using it |
| [21:32:23] | EvilGuru: | The system is a dedicated frontend |
| [21:32:44] | juski: | duh! the reason I thought the <analogclock> widget was ignoring size tags was.. I was using the old <staticsize> as opposed to <area>. Idiot |
| [21:32:46] | kormoc: | my understanding is mythbuntu won't be shipping with pulse at all in the next release |
| [21:32:47] | EvilGuru: | So all it ever does is run mythfrontend |
| [21:32:48] | cityLights: | oh but you can play to ALSA:pulse |
| [21:32:59] | cityLights: | once you add pulse to your .asoundrc |
| [21:33:16] | kormoc: | EvilGuru, cityLights is a pulse lover, he refuses to understand/admit that pulse can add audio sync issues |
| [21:33:23] | EvilGuru: | Currently none of the ALSA options work in mythtv |
| [21:33:35] | kormoc: | EvilGuru, but in anycase, I would just try mucking with the apt and get it removed that way |
| [21:33:51] | EvilGuru: | Only one to produce audio is /dev/dsp which I beleive is OSS emulation |
| [21:33:52] | cityLights: | EvilGuru: pls come to #pulseaudio so I can help you |
| [21:34:13] | juski: | heehee that's cute. a little 100x100 ticking clock. |
| [21:34:13] | ** iamlindoro gasps ** | |
| [21:34:16] | kormoc: | EvilGuru, just keep in mind, whatever cityLights does to 'fix' it won't work with 0.22 |
| [21:34:19] | cityLights: | some developers prefer pulse not to run on thesystem that runs myth |
| [21:34:20] | iamlindoro: | patch -p0 --dry-run > movietvmetadata.diff |
| [21:34:22] | iamlindoro: | NO |
| [21:34:25] | iamlindoro: | NO NO NO |
| [21:34:36] | EvilGuru: | I am unsure if it is pulse audio or not, am no expert with what ubuntu ships with |
| [21:34:46] | gbee: | iamlindoro: my condolences |
| [21:34:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: can't have that problem with quilt... |
| [21:34:51] | iamlindoro: | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| [21:34:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro: quilt > push |
| [21:34:57] | sphery: | never a problem |
| [21:34:59] | cityLights: | and I just came here to see if I can say hi to sphery |
| [21:35:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: not helping |
| [21:35:04] | cityLights: | sphery: hi |
| [21:35:05] | sphery: | hi cityLights |
| [21:35:09] | mkrufky: | so, iamlindoro ... the verdict on the ion box without VDPAU: watchable, but only to the untrained eye |
| [21:35:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, no rsnapshot? |
| [21:35:33] | EvilGuru: | However, if there is an easy way to kill/disable it so that myth gets to play with raw alsa I would like that |
| [21:35:57] | iamlindoro: | F*********CKKKKKKK |
| [21:36:15] | kormoc: | EvilGuru, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RemovePulseAudio |
| [21:36:25] | kormoc: | that might work, although it seems for fedora? |
| [21:36:31] | kormoc: | ooh, it even says fedora |
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| [21:37:08] | EvilGuru: | kormoc: Hehe, it must have a really bad reputation |
| [21:37:24] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1533967?srch=%22television%22 |
| [21:37:26] | iamlindoro: | MWAAAHAHAHAHA |
| [21:37:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | +1 for removing PulseAudio |
| [21:37:32] | iamlindoro: | Thank you pastebin search |
| [21:37:39] | EvilGuru: | I'll have some time on friday to search and destroy |
| [21:37:41] | juski: | damnit. there's being proud of something you hacked & plain obsession. STOP watching the damn gl clock juski man |
| [21:37:57] | ** gbee deletes the paste and holds the contents to ransom ** | |
| [21:37:59] | ** kormoc claps for juski ** | |
| [21:38:10] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Too late! :) |
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| [21:38:26] | juski: | hahaha. in the qt painter it just sits there doing nowt |
| [21:38:35] | sphery: | pastebin has a search... |
| [21:38:37] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:38:38] | ** kormoc ponders if there's a pastebin virtual filesystem yet ** | |
| [21:38:43] | juski: | iamlindoro: nice :) |
| [21:38:47] | Dagmar: | Hey now, it's ever man's right to stand up and proudly declare... |
| [21:38:55] | Dagmar: | I SHOULD BE GIVEN ANTI-PSYCHOTICS! |
| [21:39:09] | juski: | yes Dagmar you should be given anti-psychotics |
| [21:39:21] | juski: | would you sell me some too? |
| [21:39:22] | sphery: | kormoc: wouldn't that be pvfs2 :) |
| [21:39:40] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:39:56] | juski: | right I'm off to bed. more hackery tomorrow night |
| [21:40:06] | juski: | a long, long road ahead |
| [21:40:12] | EvilGuru: | Anyway, thanks for your help, at least I know have something to work on |
| [21:40:28] | cityLights: | sphery: ok, I am dropping by here to see if the issues I reported had patchs and I can test them |
| [21:40:43] | juski: | I might start up a 'wannabe dev' page on the wiki or something. see if we noobs can't all help one another out a little |
| [21:40:48] | cityLights: | or trunk is ready for testing |
| [21:41:04] | cityLights: | I am affriad I didnt subscribe to the mailing list |
| [21:41:16] | EvilGuru: | juski: noobs helping noobs is like teenagers having sex, the less we hear of it, the better |
| [21:41:24] | cityLights: | juski: good idea |
| [21:41:39] | ** kormoc 's spider senses tingle ** | |
| [21:41:44] | nighthawk: | yes, golden girls fanfic only pls |
| [21:43:44] | laga: | kormoc: maybe you caught the clap |
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| [21:45:02] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:45:12] | kormoc: | and all I want is a few 2 tb western digital blacks... |
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| [21:49:40] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: Well, it'll do for a few weeks anyway until we have .22 out :) |
| [21:50:03] | ** iamlindoro ftps an emergency copy of his patch to his ftp server ** | |
| [21:51:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: those dont exist yet do they? |
| [21:51:41] | sphery: | Is that what epatch stands for? I always wondered where Gentoo got that... |
| [21:52:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nope, sadly :( |
| [21:52:13] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: yeah so i retract what i said yesterday .... i totally want this to work so i am down to upgrade to 0.22 immediately once the distros have it ........ and if i hit bugs then i guess ill just have to deal with them |
| [21:53:12] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: IMO people will run into some bugs, but more difficulty in learning all the (many) differences |
| [21:53:13] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: did you see what happened to me when i got home with it yesterday? Audio over HDMI works when connected direct to a television, but the moment i put my Yamaha receiver in the middle i lose audio :-( |
| [21:53:34] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: didn't see... weird... are you trying to pass through, or decode w/ the receiver? |
| [21:53:44] | mkrufky: | i had to use optical for autio :-( |
| [21:53:50] | mkrufky: | decode using the receiver |
| [21:54:19] | mkrufky: | and to rule out the receiver being dumb, i put my cable STB in the same HDMI jack and it worked fine |
| [21:54:26] | iamlindoro: | weird |
| [21:55:15] | iamlindoro: | TBH I don't use a ton of HDMI at home-- DVI on all displays (including the 1080p projector) |
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| [21:57:15] | mkrufky: | i wanted to do audio over HDMI, but i guess i should just be happy to have playback |
| [21:57:17] | cityLights: | sphery: I use gentoo now |
| [21:57:18] | gbee: | mkrufky: not really a subject I'm strong on, but I assume the receiver supports 44Khz audio? Since as far as I know that's all the current drivers/hardware allow, 48Khz has to be resampled or something |
| [21:57:28] | mkrufky: | so linux kinda sucks on this right now ... win7 + mythtvplayer is OK |
| [21:57:42] | mkrufky: | gbee: receiver supports it, yes |
| [21:58:22] | cityLights: | sphery: can I ask how does the video playing thread know what is the sound delay? |
| [21:58:24] | gbee: | :/ |
| [21:58:29] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: as long as you are using the plughw setting I told you about, you should be resampling as necessary |
| [21:58:43] | cityLights: | I mean you initiate two diffrent streams – right? |
| [21:59:36] | gbee: | iamlindoro: would work with his TV if he wasn't resampling, hence why I asked if the receiver supported 44Khz vs 48Khz |
| [22:00:10] | sphery: | gbee: they do 44.1kHz, but not 48kHz? Seems backwards. |
| [22:00:40] | iamlindoro: | gbee: yeah, just mentioning to him which setting will determine resampling vs. non |
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| [22:01:33] | gbee: | sphery: err, might have it back to front |
| [22:02:03] | gbee: | yeah I do, sorry |
| [22:02:32] | gbee: | 44.1kHz needs resampling to 48kHz |
| [22:02:54] | sphery: | just wondered... I thought it was weird that they'd do it differently from basically every other "software" sound card out there |
| [22:02:56] | gbee: | so receiver needs to support 48kHz |
| [22:03:39] | sphery: | mkrufky: and might want to try: iecset rate 48000 |
| [22:04:21] | gbee: | HDMI audio doesn't actually require it as far as I know, it's a limitation of either the driver or the intel audio chipset, can't remember which |
| [22:05:21] | gbee: | liked I said, yet another subject on which I'm hardly qualified to talk but feel to the need to anyway |
| [22:05:51] | sphery: | yeah, the AC'97 and HDA specs skimp on a lot of the support |
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| [22:06:29] | sphery: | great way to get the CPU involved in processing, making users want bigger/faster/more CPU's :) |
| [22:08:23] | mkrufky: | sorry was afk for a moment |
| [22:08:32] | mkrufky: | ok, i can try the iecset command .... (when i get home) |
| [22:09:04] | mkrufky: | i have some investigation to do ... its possible that my cablebox is doing strange things to negotiate the connection with the receiver |
| [22:09:21] | mkrufky: | that i shouldnt have to do on the ion box, but maybe... |
| [22:09:45] | mkrufky: | oh, and i take back what i said about mythtvplayer + win7 .... i have tearing ... linux is better |
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| [22:14:20] | sphery: | mkrufky: If the iecset stuff works, it can be made to work automatically... If so, let me know and I can help with setting it up. |
| [22:14:27] | mkrufky: | ok cool |
| [22:14:42] | mkrufky: | thanks, sphery ... i'll know later on tonight or tomorrow |
| [22:15:33] | mkrufky: | although..... when im using optical rather than hdmi, i would assume that the same bitrate would be used |
| [22:15:54] | mkrufky: | to change to optical i just used plughw:0,0 instead of 0,3 |
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| [22:16:04] | mkrufky: | left all other settings the same |
| [22:16:20] | janneg: | mkrufky: different device |
| [22:16:51] | mkrufky: | what do u mean, janneg? |
| [22:18:00] | gbee: | does mythfrontend run on Win 7? |
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| [22:18:17] | mkrufky: | mythtvplayer runs on win7 |
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| [22:18:23] | mkrufky: | it runs on xp too |
| [22:18:44] | gbee: | sure, but mythfrontend should too and I'm just asking if anyone knows for sure |
| [22:18:45] | mkrufky: | thats all i tested it on ... it works rather well, actually. .. . but the gui isnt nearly as cool as the REAL myth frontend |
| [22:18:51] | mkrufky: | oh, sorry |
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| [22:20:31] | gbee: | mkrufky: well the real frontend runs on Windows, OSX and *BSD among others, but I don't pay close attention to the discussion about the non-linux platforms, thus I don't know if anyone has built/run mythtv on Win 7, Vista/XP yes |
| [22:20:56] | kormoc: | if it works on vista, it's a fairly strong chance that it'll work on 7 just fine |
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| [22:23:14] | gbee: | I want to rewrite the about pages on the website for the 0.22 release, do a bullet-point style breakdown of mythtv support features including platforms, codecs, broadcast methods, notable hardware etc |
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| [22:24:17] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: did you see the intel guy having problems with EDID data and hdmi sound? :) |
| [22:24:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtvplayer should be completely broken |
| [22:24:52] | wagnerrp: | there have been enough changes in key protocol commands that mythtvplayer should no longer function |
| [22:25:49] | janneg: | mkrufky: ignore me. I thought of a seperate HDA codec on the graphic card. but that's not the case on ION |
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| [22:28:22] | todd_dsm: | hey all, I had a guy call me with some limited requirements for a DVR/PVR. What I need to know is: 1) is there a way to centralize content on a server so that you can access it from multiple TVs in different rooms? 2) where would I find hardware to facilitate that? |
| [22:28:38] | mkrufky: | janneg: ok :-) |
| [22:28:44] | mkrufky: | AndyCap: no, i haevnt heard |
| [22:28:47] | wagnerrp: | todd_dsm: that is the purpose of mythtv |
| [22:29:00] | wagnerrp: | you have one or more backends storing and recording video |
| [22:29:03] | mkrufky: | gbee: i had no idea that there was a real working mythfrontend for windows |
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| [22:29:12] | wagnerrp: | you have one or more network attached frontends for playing back video |
| [22:29:21] | wagnerrp: | check the executive overview on the wiki |
| [22:29:30] | todd_dsm: | I'm cool with linux but I've never dealt with mythtv. cool; #1 is good. |
| [22:29:38] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: probably no direct relation to your problem if you're using ION and Yamaha though. http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/05 . . . v-receivers/ |
| [22:29:43] | todd_dsm: | will do- |
| [22:29:43] | laga: | todd_dsm: wiki.mythtv.org |
| [22:29:45] | gbee: | mkrufky: seems not many people do, which is why I'd like to get that and other info up on the website |
| [22:30:27] | sphery: | todd_dsm: also http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythtv |
| [22:30:49] | sphery: | which gbee was just talking about changing only minutes before you arrived :) |
| [22:30:55] | sphery: | changing = updating |
| [22:31:29] | sphery: | todd_dsm: note, also, that MythTV is not necessarily a low-cost DVR solution |
| [22:31:31] | AndyCap: | on a related note, configuring mediaportal was a lot crappier than configuring mythtv. :) |
| [22:31:57] | todd_dsm: | sphery: I'm not necessarily a low-cost technician :) |
| [22:32:21] | sphery: | just wanted to make sure you knew where it fits in |
| [22:32:21] | todd_dsm: | I just don't know ANYTHING about this though |
| [22:32:29] | todd_dsm: | roger that |
| [22:32:30] | sphery: | IMHO, MythTV is a high-end luxury DVR solution |
| [22:32:45] | ** mkrufky agrees ** | |
| [22:33:05] | mkrufky: | especially if you consider my setup ... single backend server with 9TB+ , 5 tuners |
| [22:33:12] | sphery: | and I've spent a /lot/ more on my system than I would ever have spent on other solutions, like TiVo or Windows MCE or, especially, cable-/satellite-company-provided DVR's |
| [22:33:16] | mkrufky: | six frontends |
| [22:33:24] | sphery: | nice |
| [22:33:33] | todd_dsm: | jeeeeeze, that might be a little more entertainment than I need, lol |
| [22:33:46] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: what sources do you have? |
| [22:33:57] | todd_dsm: | sources? |
| [22:34:05] | CoreDump|home: | only 5 tuners on that beast? |
| [22:34:05] | sphery: | I have 2 backends with 6.5TB of storage and 4 HDTV tuners and 1 frontend |
| [22:34:06] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: for TV signal. |
| [22:34:24] | sphery: | yeah, good point, AndyCap |
| [22:34:28] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: if you can't get any good unencrypted tv mythtv isn't going to be any fun |
| [22:34:28] | sphery: | MythTV doesn't do encrypted |
| [22:34:36] | mkrufky: | CoreDump|home: its hard to ever use more than two at a time, now with "multirec" |
| [22:35:01] | mkrufky: | anyway, i have to jet ... i'll be back in a few hours with results of the hdmi audio stuff |
| [22:35:01] | todd_dsm: | sattlelite, as far as I know, could be cable; I'll just say 1 source for now; plus the ability to rip and archive dvd/blueray |
| [22:35:04] | laga: | sphery: it does, here ;) |
| [22:35:05] | sphery: | mkrufky: must be cable, then? (As multirec is useless for me with US OTA.) |
| [22:35:09] | mkrufky: | thanks for the advice, guys |
| [22:35:19] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: what satellite provider? |
| [22:35:19] | mkrufky: | multirec is *not* useless for OTA |
| [22:35:34] | mkrufky: | there should be at least 2 programs per mux |
| [22:35:40] | wagnerrp: | todd_dsm: mythtv can do dvd |
| [22:35:42] | todd_dsm: | I'm not sure, I'm logging that as a question to him in an email right now. |
| [22:35:46] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: tested ac3/dts passthrough on hdmi btw? |
| [22:35:49] | wagnerrp: | but bluray doesnt work on linux |
| [22:35:49] | mkrufky: | but if you try a SD program, you might have 6–12 programs per mux |
| [22:36:08] | mkrufky: | AndyCap: yes, works beautifully, provided im connected directly to the television |
| [22:36:14] | sphery: | laga: OK, I stand corrected... MythTV does not do encrypted unless you have a hardware decryption mechanism (which you won't find in the US--save an STB and analog output) |
| [22:36:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want to rip bluray, you are basically limited to AnyDVD HD on windows (or a VM) |
| [22:36:24] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: hehe. was thinking to your amp. :P |
| [22:36:39] | mkrufky: | it only works to my receiver over optical |
| [22:36:57] | sphery: | mkrufky: it's useless for me because there's only 1 channel on each of the multiplexes I get from which I would ever record. |
| [22:37:08] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: ok. |
| [22:37:36] | mkrufky: | sphery: oh... i never said the content was worth recording ;-) |
| [22:38:04] | todd_dsm: | so is the hardware contingent on the service provider? |
| [22:38:17] | mkrufky: | i mean... i can record 30+ shows simultaneously .... if you like the low-res / infomercial / church bs kinda stuff |
| [22:38:31] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: yes. |
| [22:38:48] | todd_dsm: | I'll get the answers then. |
| [22:39:00] | sphery: | (technically, I record from WMFE and WMFE-En (as in Encore), where Encore is repeats of the stuff shown in primetime on WMFE, but as WMFE-EN is shut down during primetime and I don't record much non-primetime PBS, I've never actually seen a case where I would have used multirec) |
| [22:39:03] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [22:39:12] | sphery: | but on all other muxes, I only record a single channel |
| [22:41:59] | sphery: | todd_dsm: (If not US, ignore the rest...) For satellite in the US, the only approach is analog capture. You can use something like the Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500 or HVR-1600 for standard-def or the Hauppauge HD-PVR for high-def analog capture. Note, also, that the digital side of the HVR-1600 would be useless for satellite, but you could hook it to an antenna and record over-the-air HDTV with it. |
| [22:42:22] | todd_dsm: | no, we're in the US; that's our directive |
| [22:42:38] | sphery: | so that would mean analog capture |
| [22:42:57] | sphery: | note, though, that analog capture of HDTV content with the HD-PVR is still /very/ good quality. |
| [22:42:58] | todd_dsm: | HD comes through in analog? |
| [22:43:24] | sphery: | and HD-PVR will be supported in the next version of MythTV (0.22, which should be out within a couple of months) |
| [22:43:27] | todd_dsm: | HD just sounds so 'digital' |
| [22:43:31] | sphery: | No, it comes through in /encrypted/ digital |
| [22:43:45] | sphery: | so you have to have a sat-co-provided set-top-box to decrypt |
| [22:44:07] | sphery: | i.e. satellite -> dish -> STB ->(via Component output) HD-PVR |
| [22:44:48] | todd_dsm: | what HW do you like for the sat-co-provided set-top-box? |
| [22:44:49] | sphery: | it's just that no sat-co DVRs available in the US will give you digital output you can use with MythTV |
| [22:45:03] | AndyCap: | ideally you could have a satellite tuner card with CI slot and a CA-module but you don't get that with the us providers. |
| [22:45:09] | sphery: | Basically, it's the DISH or DirecTV receivers |
| [22:45:16] | todd_dsm: | I can buy on the internet: internationally. |
| [22:46:01] | sphery: | it's not a matter of "local availability". It's a matter of DISH network does not allow it, so you can't find any hardware that will decrypt it |
| [22:46:01] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: hehe, don't think many international sat providers are visible over your horizon. :P |
| [22:46:31] | todd_dsm: | lol; sorry, like I said, I don't know anything about this. |
| [22:46:37] | sphery: | so to get hardware, you'd get hardware that works with some (non-US) provider--whose satellites, as AndyCap mentions, you can't see |
| [22:47:17] | sphery: | basically, the problem is the sat-co policies--they've decided not to allow customers direct access to the unencrypted content |
| [22:47:27] | sphery: | mainly because of pressure from content owners |
| [22:47:31] | todd_dsm: | got it, sounds like I need to wait and see who their provider is before going further. |
| [22:47:34] | mkrufky: | ok, see y'all in a lil while |
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| [22:48:10] | sphery: | Basically, todd_dsm , analog capture through S-Video (PVR-150/500 or HVR-1600) or Component (HD-PVR, allowing high-def) are your options |
| [22:48:32] | sphery: | HD-PVR requires either current trunk MythTV or 0.22-fixes, when released (we hope in Oct) |
| [22:49:04] | todd_dsm: | I guess what I'm asking is, based on your experience, forget about cost, which unit would you prefer? |
| [22:49:19] | sphery: | "unit" meaning? |
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| [22:49:52] | sphery: | I like MythTV, but I'm willing to pay the cost for it (in both time and money) |
| [22:50:09] | wagnerrp: | recording takes very little power (with proper hardware) |
| [22:50:20] | todd_dsm: | PVR-150/500 or HVR-1600 ? |
| [22:50:25] | wagnerrp: | so your backend is going to depend on how quickly you want to run post processing |
| [22:50:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning transcoding, and commflagging |
| [22:50:42] | sphery: | For dish/directv receivers, any will be equally useful, though getting a non-DVR unit makes the most sense for power consumption (since you're doing an external DVR) |
| [22:50:45] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners, just get something on the linuxtv.org list |
| [22:50:49] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: pvr-150/500 are out of production iirc. |
| [22:50:51] | wagnerrp: | analog tuners, get an IVTV card |
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| [22:51:08] | wagnerrp: | which means a new HVR-1600, or a 150/500 off ebay |
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| [22:51:34] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, you just load the backend without however much hard drive space you think you will need |
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| [22:51:35] | sphery: | todd_dsm: yeah, PVR-150/500 are basically identical, but only available used |
| [22:51:36] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: this is a lot easier when you figure out what providers are available. |
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| [22:51:53] | wagnerrp: | frontend is more complex, your frontend is defined by what kind of content you need to play |
| [22:51:59] | todd_dsm: | roger that- |
| [22:52:13] | sphery: | todd_dsm: and the HVR-1600 has the advantage of supporting digital capture of OTA signals (including HDTV) in addition to allowing recording of standard-def analog output from a satellite box |
| [22:52:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I would like to see information on how to submit samples and encouraging tickets opened against the player on the site somewhere... preferably not buried in the documentation |
| [22:52:20] | wagnerrp: | and considering you want to play bluray, that means a quad-core, a high end dual-core, or something capable of using VDPAU |
| [22:52:29] | gbee: | assume HD, since he mentioned bluray and that narrows it down |
| [22:52:37] | todd_dsm: | I'm looking at the WinTV-HVR-1600 right now and it's only $119. I wouldn't call that a big deal at all. |
| [22:52:48] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: that's just one tuner card though. :P |
| [22:52:55] | wagnerrp: | thats a bit pricey, i thought they were closer to $80 |
| [22:53:10] | iamlindoro: | Have seen them as low as $56 |
| [22:53:14] | wagnerrp: | i mean the 2250 is only 120–130 |
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| [22:53:25] | todd_dsm: | lol, how many do you need? I think 6 might be over kill as a proof of concept, lol |
| [22:53:28] | AndyCap: | HD-PVR is 200+ ? |
| [22:53:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: people got them for as low as $40 when they were selling 1600s in 150 boxes |
| [22:53:59] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, In that range, though sometimes dell runs deals and they have been as low as $156 |
| [22:54:31] | wagnerrp: | todd_dsm: how many shows do you expect to record simultaneously? do you expect to use livetv? |
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| [22:55:11] | AndyCap: | hmm, I should try using mythweb from the ps3 browser. |
| [22:55:30] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: works fine... or at least used to |
| [22:55:34] | todd_dsm: | wagnerrp: here's a good novice answer for you: the normal amount! |
| [22:55:55] | wagnerrp: | todd_dsm: the normal suggestion is 'at least two' |
| [22:56:01] | todd_dsm: | I'm not sure if the guy is a media junkie or a light user. |
| [22:56:17] | todd_dsm: | I'm putting that in my list of questions ;) |
| [22:56:18] | wagnerrp: | two tuners lets you handle back-to-back recordings on different channels, without worrying about overlay |
| [22:56:22] | wagnerrp: | overlap |
| [22:56:49] | wagnerrp: | ive used as many as five tuners before |
| [22:57:26] | todd_dsm: | good lord, this is all so surprising, I don't even have cable/sattlelite, I just rent movies, lol |
| [22:57:39] | wagnerrp: | that was a very rare occasion, i usually use 2–3 max |
| [22:57:53] | wagnerrp: | there were three shows i was recording over broadcast, plus another two on cable |
| [22:58:46] | CoreDump|home: | fwiw, that was today: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/mhcln05/mythtv-recordings.png |
| [22:58:52] | sphery: | todd_dsm: note, also, that you'll need a separate STB for each channel you want to record simultaneously |
| [22:58:55] | CoreDump|home: | 5 tuners in use... |
| [22:59:34] | AndyCap: | ah, germany, home of unencrypted satellite. :> |
| [22:59:37] | sphery: | todd_dsm: i.e. if he wants to be able to record 2 channels, he'll need 2 STB's, for 3 channels, 3 STB's... |
| [22:59:37] | todd_dsm: | sphery: STB = set top box = TV ? |
| [22:59:48] | wagnerrp: | todd_dsm: yes, set top box |
| [22:59:49] | sphery: | STB = set top box = satellite receiver |
| [22:59:52] | CoreDump|home: | AndyCap: DVB-T |
| [22:59:57] | wagnerrp: | you need an STB to access any encrypted station |
| [22:59:57] | AndyCap: | CoreDump|home: that too |
| [22:59:58] | gbee: | sphery: assuming capturing encrypted content, rather than FTA ATSC, DVB etc |
| [23:00:09] | wagnerrp: | and each STB will only access one station |
| [23:00:13] | todd_dsm: | he said he's got 3 STB in his home |
| [23:00:15] | sphery: | right, he's doing US satellite = encrypted |
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| [23:00:41] | sphery: | todd_dsm: STBs = http://www.dishnetwork.com/receivers/default.aspx or http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/equipme . . . ernavtype=-1 |
| [23:00:45] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: oh, and you need a means of changing the channel |
| [23:00:56] | AndyCap: | is irblaster the only way with dish? |
| [23:01:15] | sphery: | it was... I heard rumors that they were doing something to work better with the new thing they bought |
| [23:01:22] | sphery: | (slingbox or something?) |
| [23:01:28] | todd_dsm: | yes, what does the community like for a multi-room remote control? or does it work some other way? |
| [23:01:31] | sphery: | haven't heard if it's around |
| [23:01:43] | AndyCap: | todd_dsm: a server with three capture cards (hd-pvr), irblasters and mythtv then. :P |
| [23:01:50] | todd_dsm: | sphery: now I understand STB, thank you |
| [23:02:03] | AndyCap: | stuff it in a room with all the stb's. |
| [23:02:07] | sphery: | yeah, I should have done that first... :) |
| [23:02:25] | todd_dsm: | no worries mate |
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| [23:05:53] | todd_dsm: | Now I have some good info and some relevant questions to ask my client. thanks for the hospitality everyone! |
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| [23:09:29] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
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| [23:23:05] | heyheyhey: | is there anyway to test my serial ports? |
| [23:23:46] | AndyCap: | heyheyhey: make a loopback plug from pin 2 to 3 and see if you get any echo back? :> |
| [23:24:53] | heyheyhey: | i see |
| [23:25:07] | heyheyhey: | well i tring to get my stb to change a channel |
| [23:25:12] | heyheyhey: | it won't do it |
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| [23:27:02] | AndyCap: | heyheyhey: so your serial port is connected to what? Don't really know how to test lirc. You could look at it with a digital camera to see if the ir-led lights up when you're transmitting a command. |
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| [23:27:37] | heyheyhey: | no no i hooked up stb serial part to my serial port |
| [23:27:52] | heyheyhey: | and tring to get dct serial changer to work |
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| [23:31:16] | AndyCap: | heyheyhey: hmm, I dunno. do you know if the cable is wired correctly? tried talking to it with some other software to see what happens? |
| [23:31:56] | iamlindoro: | not to mention the elephant in the room-- the serial port is very likely disabled on the STB |
| [23:33:35] | heyheyhey: | iamlindoro on a dct2224? |
| [23:33:52] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey, on whatever STB you have |
| [23:36:10] | heyheyhey: | hmm |
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| [23:46:12] | AndyCap: | so should one buy sundtek dvb-c tuners because they're linux friendly like nvidia, or run away because they're evil binary driver scum like, umm, nvi^Wbroadcom. :) |
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| [23:55:46] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: if it only came with vodka... http://gizmodo.com/5345912/bacon-bra-needs-no . . . -explanation |
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| [23:57:01] | Dagmar: | Wobbling bacon. :) |
| [23:58:51] | kormoc: | heh, yeah, seen that before :) |
| [23:59:33] | iamlindoro: | model is narsty |
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