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Thursday, August 20th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

I see what you mean

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madLyfe:

it says unable to mount location, cant retrieve share list from server..

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sphery:

sourceid * 1000 + 1

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

with analog, that syntax worked great

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wagnerrp:

with digital, its rather messy

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wagnerrp:

especially with digital cable where some channels have arbitrary names, and others dont

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sphery:

yeah, in Myth it has sourceid * 1000 + major_channum * 100 + minor_channum

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wagnerrp:

plus the fact that you can go to three digits on channel, and three digits on subchannel

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sphery:

and, of course, checking for whether it's available and some code to make it less than 10k if possible

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wagnerrp:

in a perfect world, the end user will never see the chanid, or go digging in their file system to be confused by it

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sphery:

er, major_channum * 10

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GuySoft:

.. compile error in trunk: /usr/include/mpeg3css.h:5:28: error: mpeg3private.inc: No such file or directory

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wagnerrp:

sphery: except with digital cable, ive got channels with minor_channums in the 40s

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wagnerrp:

and major_channums in the 100s

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wagnerrp:

and at least the current state of the channel scanner seems to outright give up on naming these channels, and has the user input a chanid

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so in Myth, if you have a channel number 999_234 on sourceid 8, you'd get 18224

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sphery:

the fact that it tries to start the chanid with the sourceid is just a nicety for debugging, not a requirement

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sphery:

wagnerrp: in case you're interested: ChannelUtil::CreateChanID()

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sphery:

libs/libmythtv/channelutil.cpp + 1398

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sphery:

and we don't have code to try to keep it under 10k, anymore (now that chanid has been extended)

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sphery:

we would have a problem if someone had a channel that resulted in a chanid >= 10000000000 (though MySQL may handle it for the first, at least, without a problem)

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wagnerrp:

well at that point, you may as well just do straight incremental

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guysoft42:

um, anyone here from New-Zealand?

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janneg:

GuySoft: mythtv doesn't include mpeg3css.h directly but the package containing mpeg3css.h is broken

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guysoft42:

.. aparently we have the same DVB-T

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guysoft42:

janneg, i am back to compiling the 0.22-fixes version

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] – Anyone have recommendations for SIP provider(s) in the US?

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GuySoft:

janneg, what about x264.. i get now this compile error in fixes.. (still):

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GuySoft:

libx264.c:165: error: ‘x264_param_t’ has no member named ‘b_bframe_adaptive

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, your plan--sourceid * 1000 + incremental is fine

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janneg:

GuySoft: don't use --enable-libx264 with mythtv's configure

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GuySoft:

janneg, do you know why it does that with it?

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janneg:

version/API incompatibility

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wagnerrp:

is that flag just a carry-over from the ffmpeg configure script?

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janneg:

yes

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janneg:

and the only code using x264 is in libavcodec and can't be used from mythtv for now

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sphery:

is it possible to have our configure strip off all the "unsupported" ffmpeg configure arguments?

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josh_:

Anyone heard of "GEMS TV", from home shopping network?

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josh_:

I'm wondering what I should put for an XMLTV ID

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wagnerrp:

nothing... and mark it invisible

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josh_:

haha

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josh_:

but I like watching it!

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp++

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Dagmar:

josh_--

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josh_:

haha

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Dagmar:

Ther's somethin' wrong with you

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wagnerrp:

s/Ther/thar/

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sphery:

josh_: are you in the US? Did you do: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID

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AndyCap:

josh_: 1 or 2? :>

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sphery:

josh_: if you're using Schedules Direct and SD doesn't have listings data (and, therefore, doesn't list the channel to provide you an xmltvid), the xmltvid is irrelevant

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AndyCap:

Amazingly varied schedule :P http://www.gemstv.co.uk/TV/tv-schedule.jsp

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kka:

<kka> hi I scheduled a recording, and I told myth to run a job after the recording...

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kka:

<kka> then when it was recording, I edited the schedule and cancel the job

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kka:

<kka> but the job is launched

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kka:

is there a way to avoid this?

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sphery:

josh_: ah, nvm... seems the channel's in the UK, so not an Schedules Direct thing

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AndyCap:

sphery: it's in the us as well as far as I can tell from gems.tv

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sphery:

kka: at this point, you can cancel the job

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sphery:

kka: just go into Watch Recordings and find the recording, then INFO|Job Options|Stop <whatever job>

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sphery:

AndyCap: oh, then maybe he shouldn't nvm me :)

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sphery:

kka: generally, though, you should have decided what jobs should run on a recording before it starts recording

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kka:

mm yeah

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kka:

the job is shutdown the machine :D

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kka:

usually I want the machine to be shut down after the recording

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kka:

but sometimes I change idea

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kka:

but nevermind, it's not a big problem

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sphery:

kka: you should be using mythwelcome and mythshutdown for that

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kka:

mm actually not, it's a long story

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kka:

because I use xbmc too

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kka:

I don't want mythwelcome

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sphery:

then maybe make your user job that shuts down the computer pop up a dialog asking if you want to shut down and allowing you some time (15s or so) to cancel shutdown

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kka:

mmm ok

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sphery:

but I'd still recommend the whole, if you want to use Myth, use Myth approach :)

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kka:

I think that the correct way should be that jobs can be canceled on the fly

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kka:

I use mythweb, and it let me cancel the job, but in reality it won't happen

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kka_:

thanks btw

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sphery:

heh, another --version that gbee will love: MythTV Version : Unknown

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sphery:

wonder what distro that is

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wagnerrp:

i know, i know! windows!

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kka_:

bb

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DougSouth:

if irw isn't giving me anything when run, what's the best way to debug where my lirc config has gone wrong?

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wagnerrp:

if irw isnt giving you anything, the problem is lack of drivers, or in your lircd.conf

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wagnerrp:

not in your lirc config (lircrc)

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DougSouth:

drivers are there

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DougSouth:

and I've compiled 0.8.5

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: re: #5788 , I've seen manual skip jump backward before on -fixes, but I'm pretty sure (though haven't investigated) in all cases it was due to invalid seek data

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DougSouth:

driver my bonkers :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: it's /very/ uncommon, though, so I really haven't had a good chance to debug

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DougSouth:

wagnerrp, yeah, meant lircd.conf :)

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DougSouth:

can more than one process be listening to lircd?

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, this one is due to resolution changes reinitializing the video which temporarily resets framesPlayed.

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sphery:

ah, ok... nvm, then. Guess I should have read the ticket.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I never tracked down where it was happening, but there's been a lot of work in the video stuff since 0.21. he did say he was on trunk 7 months ago though, so it was happening as early as that.

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Captain_Murdoch:

late as that I guess. :)

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sphery:

Heh... I'm still running a -fixes build from Nov., so 7 months ago is recent to me. :)

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madLyfe:

anyone know how to get ubuntu to see my windows share? it shows the "workgroup" but wont mount the share list..?

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DougSouth:

wagnerrp: you were correct, my config was bad. Now I have a partial config :/

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DougSouth:

thanks wagnerrp

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DougSouth:

pushed me in the right direction :)

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DougSouth:

hmm, how to generate a lircd.conf...

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GuySoft:

janneg, now i got ../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.21.so: undefined reference to `libx264_encoder

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sphery:

DougSouth: irrecord or Google

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chris99_:

Anyone have an issue with the remote sometimes take up to 30 seconds to respond to button press?

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Dagmar:

GuySoft: If you're not familiar with compiling software, you need to be using MythBuntu

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, i am quite familiar, however all those compiling errors are not my expertise

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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Dagmar:

It's not useful for people to have to walk you through FIXING your broken compiles

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Dagmar:

Let alone try and solve problems that were caused because you build a horribly disfigured binary and expected it to work

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, i am left with no choice but to compile this, since the binaries dont have aac. and our dvb bradcasts use aac for audio.. Do understand that when this does works, i do plan to package it.

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Dagmar:

Then it looks like you should paste that error you got into Google

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, all i did was patch , and its a patch that is on the svn of mythtv, not something i invented

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Dagmar:

So ask the author of the patch

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, i did.. i got something. but no solution yet.

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Dagmar:

Ah well. Google's still working.

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GuySoft:

google is my friend, but its not an oracle..

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Dagmar:

bullshit.

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Dagmar:

It can come up with bizarre and disjointed answers as well as any waterlogged greek bint.

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Dagmar:

This is why I think you should NOT be attempting to compile Myth

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Dagmar:

Period.

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Dagmar:

You didn't run `make distclean` to clear out stale objects before you started the new build

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sphery:

GuySoft: you're using 0.21-fixes?

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Dagmar:

If you don't know even to do that, you simply shouldn't be compiling stuff, let alone for other people

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Dagmar:

Frankly it sounds like a threat when you say that

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sphery:

GuySoft: and *buntu?

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Dagmar:

"It might blow my face clean off, but when i'm done I'm going to share it with others people on the internet!"

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Dagmar:

sphery: I wasn't even going near the issue of which branch he got the patch from and which one he's applying it to. I am pretty sure I wouldn't like the answer.

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GuySoft:

sphery, i have a debian server that is going to run mythtv..

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sphery:

GuySoft: http://avenard.org/media/Home.html and http://avenard.org/media/Ubuntu_Repository/Ub . . . ository.html

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GuySoft:

i am not going to move distro's for this

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GuySoft:

distros*

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GuySoft:

sphery, i am on debian..

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sphery:

there may be a repo with all his patches out there for debian, too

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sphery:

I use -fixes, not his version, but I'm pretty sure it has the LATM patch in it

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sphery:

assuming it's a dedicated Myth box, downloading/installing mythbuntu and then switching to his repo would likely be a /lot/ faster than making it work yourself

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sphery:

(i.e. if you're just using it for Myth, then distro is irrelevant--especially when you have a myth-distro available)

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GuySoft:

i found several posts about this. none have a solution so far..

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sphery:

but note that most of us have no idea what patches/issues/etc. are in his version, so you'd have to get support from him or others using his version

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GuySoft:

sphery, its a serer! it has many processes..

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Dagmar:

Ohnoes

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GuySoft:

sphery, moreover. as i said, the point is to get it working..

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GuySoft:

server*

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Dagmar:

Then you should be using the repo of someone with a clue

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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GuySoft:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5794225&postcount=99 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38919 .. dead ends so far

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Dagmar:

I'm not saying this to be an asshole, I'm saying this because otherwise you're just going to plow face-first into every noob mistake possible

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, i have maintained repos before..

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Dagmar:

...which is going to mean about a week's worth of evenings wasted, IF you're "quick"

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, if i get this working, and post it to the local FOSS community. it will not be wasted

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, pardon me for being unimpressed when you coulnd't spot a stale object problem when it bit you on the nose as it were

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GuySoft:

and i am quite close here..

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, so far there was progress every night.

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Dagmar:

Right

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Dagmar:

Let's use another analogy

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Dagmar:

You're climbing a wall, right... and you're climing a few feet an evening.

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Dagmar:

You've got no idea that the wall you're climbing is the side of Trump Tower

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Dagmar:

Don't let me tell you not to climb it, but don't expect me to take you seriously when you say it's faster than taking the elevator.

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sphery:

not a bad analogy

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, but the elevator does not support aac!.. with would translate to an elevator with no weight. just a box in a shaft

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhh no

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iamlindoro:

The repository sphery pointed you at supports AAC

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Dagmar:

GuySoft: Dude, you said you're maintained a repo

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iamlindoro:

the mythbuntu packages also support AAC

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Dagmar:

http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro++

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GuySoft:

?? did it.. hang on

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I think he needs LATM...

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Then that would be the repository you pointed him at ;)

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iamlindoro:

or Paul Kendalls repos

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iamlindoro:

both contain the patches

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iamlindoro:

https://launchpad.net/~paul-kcbbs/+archive/ppa

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Dagmar:

So, am I a bad man for not mentioning the result probably could be missing h.264 support?

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, i could try just porting the mythubuntu src ..

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I wasn't positive that the repo I mentioned had LATM, so thanks for verifying

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iamlindoro:

You seem not able to build plain source, "porting" anything would be an awful idea

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org has a repo anywhere? it does not seem so

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iamlindoro:

I have to agree with Dagmar on this one, building from dirty source and then asking about it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that you will succeed

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Dagmar:

GuySoft: You could also wrap a plastic bag around your head and run in circles singing Volare

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Dagmar:

There's lots of things you _could_ do.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, it does

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Dagmar:

Some less suicidal than others.

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GuySoft:

iamlindoro, i built the source several times today. the problem is actually getting the aac patch to compile

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Dagmar:

The SMART man would just switch to using some repos that people with clue say work, use those binaries, and get on with life.

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sphery:

where the aac/latm patch is the dirty in the source he was talking about

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iamlindoro:

GuySoft, the error you asked about had nothing to do with patches and everything to do with you compiling dirty source

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Dirty source that had a configuration change as well I think

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GuySoft:

iamlindoro, that error came up after applying it..

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iamlindoro:

sphery, No, the compiling against half-built libraries against --enable-libx264 and the rest not was

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sphery:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

sphery: This is why I obliquely mentioned a likely failure to support h.264 in the result

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iamlindoro:

ie he started building w/ --enable-libx264, then when that failed, he didn't distclean

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Dagmar:

There were just too many things wrong with that error message

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wombo:

GuySoft, I normally use the sauce on my hot pie

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GuySoft:

iamlindoro, i took that like from pauls blog, i hoped that replicating his configure will give me his results.. i can not guess what a configure flag will do, since i am not a mythtv developer. i dont expect you to guess other projects code

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wombo:

:)

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GuySoft:

compile flags*

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iamlindoro:

GuySoft, --enable-libx264 doesn't appear anywhere in myth's configure help... so you were making things up or copying them from somewhere

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iamlindoro:

Which is a recipe for failure (doing things when you don't know what they do)

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Dagmar:

Works for Gentoo users doesn't it tho?

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GuySoft:

iamlindoro, nether does aac appear anywhere in myth configure help..

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iamlindoro:

anyway, this is a losing battle, I'm not going to waste my time when you're dead set on disagreeing with people who know what they're talking about

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iamlindoro:

GuySoft, Oh really now? --enable-libfaad enable FAAD support via libfaad [no]

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iamlindoro:

GuySoft, if you acknowledge that you don't know how the compile flags work, then you should listen to us, or go away if you don't plan to

[02:20:02]

GuySoft:

now, look. you can go on telling me that i dont know how to do anything, which naturally i will ignore. or you can actually help

[02:20:08]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Careful... You're about to fall prey for the old "prove that I'm wrong by telling me the right thing to do" trick

[02:20:19]

iamlindoro:

GuySoft, You're not *accepting* the help you're being given!

[02:20:31]

iamlindoro:

We keep trying to help, but you are very insultingly ignoring all the help that is offered

[02:20:37]

iamlindoro:

you have a lot more to lose by being ignored than we do

[02:20:57]

Dagmar:

Even those of us that can build this thing in our sleep would be rather likely to just use the working repo once we were told about it

[02:21:37]

GuySoft:

iamlindoro, so far you told me all the flags are wrong, and gave me a binary that does not fit my distro.

[02:21:59]

Dagmar:

*facemelt*

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iamlindoro:

/ignore

[02:22:49]

iamlindoro:

good luck getting unsupported patches working after burning the more active/helpful parts of the room down

[02:22:52]

** wombo turns the Aircon on as its getting hot in here **

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** GuySoft thinks wombo has a point **

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** wombo thinks GuySoft doesnt understand wombos point **

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superdug:

GuySoft: I'd like to help you, please tell me what your problem is and I will have a resolution for you

[02:26:18]

sphery:

He's trying to get a build of MythTV that supports AAC/LATM on Debian (not Ubuntu)

[02:26:28]

Dagmar:

He applied a patch to the wrong source tree, doesn't know how to compile things, and isn't keeping track of his configure arguments from attempt to attempt.

[02:26:33]

Dagmar:

Good luck,

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superdug:

GuySoft: not in PM

[02:26:47]

superdug:

GuySoft: channel only please

[02:26:59]

superdug:

GuySoft: channel only please

[02:27:02]

GuySoft:

superdug, as you wish,

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GuySoft:

my problem is that the audio stream that is being broadcast here, is new, and seems to have two problems, the first is that it uses aac encoding, and the second is that there is a mis-labeled audio stream. making it unplayable in anything apart from VLC

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superdug:

GuySoft: okay, and you have the latest source from VLC right?

[02:30:01]

GuySoft:

my goal, is to find a way to get mythtv, working in here. and then publish it to our FOSS community

[02:30:21]

GuySoft:

superdug, i can get it.. i am using the binaries from debian-multimedia.org

[02:30:38]

superdug:

this won't work in binaries ... we have to go from source

[02:30:51]

superdug:

GuySoft: what processor do you have?

[02:30:53]

GuySoft:

superdug, sure.. apt-get source on its way

[02:31:44]

GuySoft:

superdug, its a Pentium 4 2Ghz.. i also have a Pentium M laptop here next to me. all running debian

[02:31:59]

superdug:

GuySoft: do you have anything with an AMD processor in it?

[02:32:08]

GuySoft:

.. also have OLPCs with fedora,

[02:32:18]

GuySoft:

a pile..

[02:32:19]

superdug:

the geode will work

[02:32:23]

superdug:

grab one of those

[02:32:29]

GuySoft:

superdug, o-k..

[02:32:33]

GuySoft:

not sure what you are planning

[02:32:47]

superdug:

GuySoft: I only know how to do this with an amd based processor

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wagnerrp:

what use could a geode possibly be for anything related to mythtv?

[02:32:51]

GuySoft:

i can boot the olpc to debian too, id you want

[02:33:03]

superdug:

nope, needs to be amd hardware

[02:33:07]

GuySoft:

wagnerrp, i was wondering myself.

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GuySoft:

booting to ubuntu.. more tools there, and a decent X. so we have an AMD here with ubuntu in about 30 seconds

[02:34:03]

superdug:

excellent

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think it's called "birdwalking" or in some areas "skylarking"

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GuySoft:

... beats me.. i am googling about the compile error in the meantime. and i dont mind giving the XO-1 a stretch.. its good for the battery anyway

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superdug:

for sure

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GuySoft:

superdug, go on, ready here.

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superdug:

GuySoft: what version of egcs do you have installed?

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GuySoft:

egcs? as in c++ compiler?

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superdug:

yup

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GuySoft:

superdug, seems not to have one, let me apt-get

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superdug:

ok

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Dagmar:

egcs? lawl

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iamlindoro:

apt-get moo

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GuySoft:

superdug, mind you.. um, is this going to end up as a practical joke? because it seems most of the channel seems to be at one..

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superdug:

GuySoft: is what going to end up as a joke?

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iamlindoro:

ffs... he perceives the help as practical jokes and the practical jokes as help

[02:40:38]

GuySoft:

well, the different architecture makes no sense to me yet.

[02:40:38]

** iamlindoro orders some popcorn and a hot dog, returns to the bleachers **

[02:41:08]

GuySoft:

i gather g++ is the package you want, right?

[02:41:19]

superdug:

whatever provides egcs

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superdug:

I use SuSE

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** wombo steals iamlindoro s popcorn and watches the show on a banana lounge **

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iamlindoro:

oooh

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superdug:

so I don't know what the unbuntu varient is

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wagnerrp:

unbuntu... thats got to be a good name for something, but i dont know what

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GuySoft:

superdug, hang on, its gcc?? reading seems to say that the source package was named once egcs

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superdug:

GuySoft: when you type which egcs ... does it return anything?

[02:44:18]

GuySoft:

no wait, google connected two paragraphs in the middle

[02:44:22]

GuySoft:

no..

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superdug:

well fix that

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GuySoft:

not on any system here..

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superdug:

compile it from source then

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guysoft42:

superdug, its IS gcc, gcc i do have..

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superdug:

what?

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superdug:

egcs is a fork of gcc

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guysoft42:

superdug, gcc -v : version 4.2.3 ubuntu..

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superdug:

well I guess we can see if this works

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superdug:

guysoft42: svn the latest myth core

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wagnerrp:

the 'e' stands for 'extreme'

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wagnerrp:

they decided not to use 'x' because thats just lame

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guysoft42:

With the release of GCC 2.95 in July 1999, the two projects were once again united .. wikipedia

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superdug:

guysoft42: svn the latest myth core

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guysoft42:

um, ok.. will need an external drive first.. hang on.. poor OLPC has limited write speed

[02:50:31]

guysoft42:

.. should be here in a few mins, you are welcome to give the next step

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superdug:

guysoft42: apply the patch you have

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sphery:

hey, be nice, guys

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sphery:

don't take things too far

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superdug:

sphery: but I haven't even made sure he was wearing a clown suit

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guysoft42:

superdug, um, as cool as getting mythtv on an OLPC will be , it should i not really help

[02:51:53]

guysoft42:

.. plus i will get the same compile error

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superdug:

guysoft42: most likely

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josh_:

I've been digging and still can't find an XMLTV ID for GEMS TV

[02:52:20]

sphery:

josh_: what listings provider?

[02:52:27]

josh_:

SD

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madLyfe:

anyone know how to fix sharing on ubuntu?

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sphery:

josh_: if they don't have the channel listed on the SD website, xmltvid is irrelevant--you won't get any data no matter what

[02:53:00]

josh_:

ok, works for me

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madLyfe:

ubuntu fails to retrieve share list from my win 7 box..

[02:53:12]

sphery:

josh_: use: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID to find the xmltvid's for channels that SD has

[02:53:13]

wagnerrp:

besides, what data do you need?

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Dagmar:

madLyfe: That is so a windows problem

[02:53:26]

iamlindoro:

or at least an #ubuntu one

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guysoft42:

superdug, so you just gave me the full justification to say you are a misleading turp

[02:53:30]

wagnerrp:

2:30–3:00PM: shopping

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Dagmar:

...and you are so far from the right channel to be asking about that in it's just insane

[02:53:42]

wagnerrp:

3:00–4:00PM: shopping

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superdug:

guysoft42: that hurts

[02:53:56]

madLyfe:

hmm

[02:53:56]

wagnerrp:

5:00–6:25PM: more shopping

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josh_:

sphery, okay, that's what I've been doing

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Dagmar:

madLyfe: Click on the cute little windows icons to start the file and printer sharing wizard

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wagnerrp:

6:25–6:30PM: mixed martial arts basketfootball

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which isn't much different from: <start of visible timeline> – <end of visible timeline>: No Data

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wagnerrp:

6:30–7:30PM: shopping

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sphery:

josh_: cool... if that didn't give you an xmltvid for GEMS, you don't need one--as you won't get data, anyway :)

[02:55:18]

Dagmar:

9:00PM-Midnight: Mixed Marital Arts

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superdug:

actually the no data is there to help you know ... you don't need to buy any of the crap they're selling that hour

[02:55:22]

superdug:

it's intuitive

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josh_:

superdug, haha

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josh_:

superdug, I like watching the jewelry

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josh_:

weird

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sphery:

josh_: you can try enabling EIT on that /one/ channel, but ensure you don't enable it on any channel for which you're using SD listings

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guysoft42:

superdug, so does not taking my effort seriously. the government here is handing out DVB-T under the flag of free breadcasting. but with patented AAC encoding, and deliberately mislabelled streams.. it seems its up to our FOSS community to put the 'free' in to it

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superdug:

josh_: they have pills for that

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guysoft42:

... so you can go troll, or you can come and help..

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superdug:

guysoft42: call your senator

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Dagmar:

So you intend to change that how?

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Dagmar:

You refusing to listen to people telling you where a WORKING repo is will not change the fact that the broadcasters are using non-free codecs

[02:56:52]

guysoft42:

superdug, and you do seem to know something, you were familiar with gcc before 1998.. since you gave that away

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superdug:

guysoft42: I also know Bruce Willis is dead the whole time in the Sixth Sense

[02:57:30]

guysoft42:

Dagmar, you gave me a repo that does not fit my distro..

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Dagmar:

You compiling in support (hah) for non-free codecs will also not change the fact that the broadcasters are using non-free codecs

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Dagmar:

GuySoft: I didn't.

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guysoft42:

Dagmar, i am intending to go with this to the press.. but i also need proof of concept..

[02:58:33]

Dagmar:

Your claim that these codecs are necessary will not protect you against lawsuits stemming from intellectual property infringment.

[02:58:34]

Dagmar:

So...

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josh_:

How are the channels ordered in the LiveTV EPG? All my channels are out of order even thought the channel numbering is correct

[02:59:02]

Dagmar:

Let's not get our heads so far up out asses that we think we've come up with a justification for doing what we damn well please by acting like it's going to make something free.

[02:59:17]

Dagmar:

s/out/our/;

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** guysoft42 thinks he will leave the channel untill the nice people that helped him before will be back, and the ones here now will go **

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superdug:

Dagmar: to be fair, I like to keep my head out of my ass

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Dagmar:

The fumes in there are *not* safe to breathe for extended periods of time.

[03:00:53]

Dagmar:

At least when I was pirating as a hobby I never tried to dress it up as something other than seeing how fast I could move illicit data around the globe

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GuySoft:

Dagmar, the fact i am getting the non-free codecs working means that i bypassed this way of keeping us out. for all i care, i could build an automated compile script after this.. i have done that before too.

[03:01:58]

GuySoft:

now , i am leaving, because this channel has took a turn to the worse

[03:02:12]

Dagmar:

No it didn't.

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Dagmar:

"the fact i am getting the non-free codecs working" <-- interesting use of the word 'fact'

[03:03:04]

superdug:

.il ?

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Dagmar:

I would have sworn the point in him being here for so long was becuase he wasn't smart enough to be able to do that

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Dagmar:

superdug: Yes it was all I could do to not talk about porno television

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Dagmar:

They just shut a broadcaster DOWN in that part of the world

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wagnerrp:

superdug: .il == Israel

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superdug:

wagnerrp: yes, I'm questioning my advice to call his senator

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Dagmar:

s/senator/imam/;

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wagnerrp:

well considering there is no AAC broadcasting in the US... yeah, that didnt make much sense

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superdug:

wagnerrp: neither did telling him to get egcs

[03:05:43]

wagnerrp:

yeah, well...

[03:06:15]

superdug:

glad to see he has a "pile" of OLPCs though

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Dagmar:

I'm willing to take it on faith that he has a "pile" of children around there somewhere.

[03:06:54]

wagnerrp:

so anyway, any idea why AAC playback no longer works in mythvideo?

[03:07:23]

Dagmar:

That whole One Laptop Per Child thing makes it entirely suspicious

[03:07:23]

wagnerrp:

i thought that was supposed to get shifted to libavcodec when faad was removed

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Dagmar:

The Mossad'll probably catch up with him soon enough

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josh_:

So my channel ordering in the EPG is all screwed up even though the channel numbers are in the correct order

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sphery:

there's a setting to sort by channel number or channel name

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josh_:

i'll double check that that is correct

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josh_:

In the frontend I assume?

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sphery:

I can't find it now...

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sphery:

I'm not sure

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josh_:

Setup > General

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josh_:

oop

[03:33:02]

josh_:

Setup > TV Settings > General

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josh_:

it was correct, set to "Channel number" ordering

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sphery:

josh_: nice job finding it, though... I was looking through the source file with search and didn't find it (searched on sort instead of ordering)

[03:34:46]

sphery:

josh_: and you're sure your channel numbers are good?

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josh_:

I'm using a very simple numbering scheme

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josh_:

and all my digital channels get thrown everywhere, with the majority of them being put at the bottom

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sphery:

and it's channel number, right?

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josh_:

my analog channels are whole integers

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josh_:

my digitals are decimals, 13.2, 13,3

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sphery:

can you pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "select chanid, channum, callsign, name from channel;"

[03:36:53]

sphery:

josh_: do you have Channel format (same place as Channel ordering) set properly?

[03:37:06]

sphery:

oh, wait... wrong one

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wagnerrp:

looks like the PS3Slim removed the linux option

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sphery:

but is 1/3 the power and half the size?

[03:38:07]

wagnerrp:

significantly smaller... i doubt its much more power efficient

[03:38:24]

wagnerrp:

the recent revs were running close to 100W already

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sphery:

josh_: since you're better at finding settings than I am, tonight, the one I'm trying to ask if you have set right is the one that specifies the channel separator (used between major/minor channels)

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sphery:

for digital

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josh_:

sphery, that's in mythtv-setup

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josh_:

where you scan for channels

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josh_:

sphery, http://pastebin.ca/1535936

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wagnerrp:

apparently the PS3 Slim has some form of CEC goodness

[03:45:13]

sphery:

CEC?

[03:45:26]

wagnerrp:

the remote control over HDMI stuff

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sphery:

josh_: and how's it mis-sorting? Is it doing an alphabetical sort versus numeric?

[03:46:10]

sphery:

I think there's a setting for that, too

[03:46:20]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, cool

[03:46:20]

wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definition_ . . . nterface#CEC

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wagnerrp:

you can control the PS3 through your Bravia now

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wagnerrp:

although no word whether it works with other electronics

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sphery:

But not your Viera

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** sphery lives in Viera, so that's the only TV brand he actually remembers **

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josh_:

sphery, not even that

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josh_:

sphery, it's weird, they don't seem to be in any order at all

[03:48:31]

josh_:

oh well, i'll work it out later

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josh_:

the big thing is that the digital channels work, thanks wagnerrp

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sphery:

which guide are you looking at?

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wagnerrp:

well for all i know, i could be the one that hosed up your ordering

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josh_:

sphery, both the livetv EPG as well as the recording schedule's EPG

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josh_:

wagnerrp, I dont see how what we did would affect that

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wagnerrp:

my understanding of the channel and dtv_multiplex tables are hackish at best

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sphery:

wagnerrp: pastebin looks pretty good (though some weird ones, like 32776.0 and 32783.0 )

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sphery:

so I don't think it's bad data causing sorting issues

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wagnerrp:

32776?

[03:50:31]

** wagnerrp takes a look at the pastebin **

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wagnerrp:

woo... thats interesting

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sphery:

josh_: not sorting by callsign or channel name?

[03:51:19]

sphery:

possible that the cable co actually called it that?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, when there was no virtual channel given, i wrote my own as channel.subchannel

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wagnerrp:

but i accidentally typed in the wrong variables in the version i gave you

[03:52:06]

wagnerrp:

it should be fixed in trac

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wagnerrp:

and you should be able to fix those handful yourself easily enough in the mythweb channel editor

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josh_:

yeah, that's what I've been doing

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josh_:

which is why most of them have channel information

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josh_:

It's late, I'll hae to look at it more in depth tomorrow

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josh_:

thanks for your help guys

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Around?

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sphery:

so I'm getting notice that the server I'm on is going down for maintenance tomorrow and a recommendation to switch servers, but I don't know how to do that without exiting/restarting my IRC client

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wagnerrp:

i believe '/server' manually connects to a server

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wagnerrp:

i could be mistaken, its been like 10 years since ive used it

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sphery:

do I disconnect then reconnect?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

at that point it's just as easy to exit

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is no way to 'migrate' to another server

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wagnerrp:

know anywhere i can get a dvd insert image?

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wagnerrp:

i accidentally bought a used HDDVD

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wagnerrp:

and it seems that it was one someone else already red2blu'd

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sphery:

no idea

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sphery:

I have 2 used XBox 360 games with stupid GameStop covers

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, i need to print something out with the label on the edge

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sphery:

been wondering if finding/printing my own version of the original would be a copyright violation

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sphery:

looks like /server will actually disconnect and reconnect automatically using the same network connection

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sphery:

or /disconnect then /connect to close then open network connections

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Dagmar:

sphery: Typically just /server will do it, or press ^E i think

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Dagmar:

by the way http://www.netobjectives.com/PatternRepositor . . . signPatterns

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Dagmar:

Maybe /server 1

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Dagmar:

I hit the keybind that does "jump to split" by accident ludicrously often

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sphery:

well, that didn't work so well as the random page on the 'net claimed it would

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sphery:

said it couldn't connect, so I ended up restarted

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Dagmar:

... ^E is bound to CHANGE_TO_SPLIT

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sphery:

I'm in irssi, no bx

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Dagmar:

yeah well for all the bluster, they all copy the same slash-commands

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Dagmar:

If /server returns a list of servers, then /server 1 will almost certainly hop you

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Dagmar:

Let's find out

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Dagmar:

Hmm... Looks like it's 0 in this lie

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Dagmar:

er list

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kreggz:

hey, has anyone configured mythv with an ATI card using HDMI? – and has it working

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wagnerrp:

google has plenty of front covers, but no full insert

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wagnerrp:

oooh... jackpot!

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wagnerrp:

although ill probably have to scale the image a bit

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wagnerrp:

HDDVD cases are thinner than DVDs

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wagnerrp:

plus the 'MA 15+' rating on a movie will look a bit odd to anyone paying attention

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sphery:

won't help for DVD's, but wow: http://www.thecoverproject.net/

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wagnerrp:

seems more usable for iamlindoro

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sphery:

they actually have one of the covers I'm missing

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wagnerrp:

google images managed to pick up some random bit of porn

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sphery:

now to talk to my lawyer and see if printing a copy of it for myself would be illegal...

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wagnerrp:

oh... i stand corrected, the porn is actually in the movie

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wagnerrp:

someone just linked to a high res copy of the original image

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wagnerrp:

rather than the low res copy painted onto the back of a aircraft vertical stabilizer

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madLyfe:

is there anyway to disable mythtv ubuntu from loading at startup through command line?

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iamlindoro:

again, not a mythtv question

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iamlindoro:

ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

we provide support for MythTV, not the myth distros

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I have a new built-in JobQueue job working that can copy a file between SG's, backends, etc.. local -> remote, remote -> remote, and remote -> local. even transfers the file with a .tmp on the end and renames it when the copy completes. the file does not have to be associated with a recording either.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, sweet!

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Will have to rework/rewrite the PBB->MythVideo export stuff when all this is said and done, but I figure it's too much in flux ATM

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Captain_Murdoch:

need to fix a couple FIXME's in the error handling/cleanup stage to delete the .tmp file if there is an error, but it is working correctly. current form does not update the DB in any way other than the JobQueue table. depending on usage, we may have to have it update the new tables for instance if I move a recording to another SG and don't want the DB updated until the move is done.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I looked at your patch a little earlier when I saw the link you posted. did you want something like that in before 0.22 or just have people rely on the external script for now?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm kind of leaning towards letting people use the external script for now

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iamlindoro:

though if that's something you're interested in implementing I wouldn't argue :) (I use it all the time)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I don't know if I'd even use it. I can see myself using the ability to view recordings in MV, especially if the simple playlist is added. Right now I have some videos for my daughter in each so a combined view will be welcome.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that's the other thing, it may be rendered moot by some of your changes or slight additions to them, so I'm kind of waiting to see

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'm thinking it best to wait until after 0.22 for those right now, if we're looking at a feature freeze sometime soon. I don't want to push a table redesign in at the last minute.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I agree

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Captain_Murdoch:

stuff now is prep work. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

this copy/move job also means that we'll be able to optionally have the AutoExpirer move files around instead of deleting recordings.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that could be really useful

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Captain_Murdoch:

an extension of that is letting people record locally and then moving files to mass storage at night. that ideas has been tossed around before as well.

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sphery:

will have to start calling it the AutoExirOrMove

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/screenshots.png

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iamlindoro:

So there we go, in a TV show folder one will see screenshots instead of covers

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ^^

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sphery:

covers would have been all the same?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

or at least, within a season they would have

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sphery:

cool... good change

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure someone will find some way to break it (as it relies on the parent folder and the items having the same title)

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Captain_Murdoch:

like the previous demo videos with 20+ lost episodes with the same cover.

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iamlindoro:

I'm positive someone has some jacked up folder system that will break because of that, but they can use something normal ;)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, FWIW I *like* having the covers there instead of screenshots :)

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iamlindoro:

But hopefully for .23 I can have it such that we don't have to hardcode such assumptions

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Captain_Murdoch:

make it display the cover somewhere else on screen for TV episodes. :)

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iamlindoro:

it's precisely that kind of "conditional theming" that we lask right now-- but ideally by .23 we will have it and I can do just that

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iamlindoro:

er lack

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iamlindoro:

at least, can do it without the hacky bits I committed a bit ago :)

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sphery:

so, iamlindoro, when will you have that QtScript-for-themes work done?

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iamlindoro:

I think I smell something burning...

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DougSouth:

Is there some way to prevent getting two events from lircd? I'm getting an event for pressing and releasing of a button. Not exactly helpful... :(

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DougSouth:

Guess I could ignore every second event?!? :/

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DougSouth:

hmm, --release just doubles the amount of events :O

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sphery:

--release tells it to generate release events itself rather than use the ones the remote makes

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sphery:

sounds like your remote has a toggle bit but your lircd.conf doesn't specify it

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DougSouth:

I've used irrecord for it

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DougSouth:

it has a toggle bit in the conf

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DougSouth:

toggle_bit_mask?

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DougSouth:

I'm going to try putting in Empty configs so that the second one doesn't do anything, but that really doesn't feel like a good answer...

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DougSouth:

<sigh> that actually worked

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DougSouth:

now just one last thing to solve and that's how to get the remote to activate the start frontend button from MythWelcome...

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DougSouth:

Ok, that just works

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DougSouth:

Yay, upgrade complete :)

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levander:

I'm looking at the scte65scan tool. Just to make sure I understand. This is an alternative to doing a channel scan?

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juski:

you should always use mythtv-setup's *own* scanner wherever possible

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juski:

if that doesn't work for some reason when other scanning tools *do* work, *report* it

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juski:

what isn't known about cannot be fixed

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laga:

scan: granted, scte65 is new stuff which hasn't been added yet AFAIK

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gbee:

what versions of ncurses are currently in use by the various distros? The nvidia installer has never looked too good with Mandriva and I've finally decided to file a ticket, but I'm curious to know if it's just because other distros are using earlier versions

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gbee:

but a scte65 script can be run after initial scanning to fill in the info it provides

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gbee:

at least that was my understanding

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laga:

i dont know what the installer looks like because i use the packaged stuff. (and anyone using the installer on ubuntu will break their system). version is 5.7+20090607–1ubuntu1, though

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gbee:

mandriva are far too slow to package driver updates, so I've had to use the nvidia installer for a while now

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GuySoft:

I just ran a strace on mythtfrotend, tying to find why it freezes all the time. and it seems to be flooded with a command: http://pastebin.com/m4403514d

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GuySoft:

trying*

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GuySoft:

... give all the time read(3, 0x9bcbbcc, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)

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levander:

I still don't understand, does scte65scan actually do the scanning that the channel scanner would otherwise do?

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levander:

the Mythtv channel scanner would otherwise do***

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GuySoft:

.. um, if i stick the svn version of fffmpeg instead of the current one in the mythtv-0.21 fixes svn.. is there a chance of it working?

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GreyFoxx:

guy : No

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GreyFoxx:

not without a lot of patching

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GreyFoxx:

and I mean, a lot

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sebrock:

hello guys, quick question, if I want to remove all settings for e.g. client "temp" from mythconverg. Would this be enough: delete from settings where hostname='temp';

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sebrock:

?

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GuySoft:

GreyFoxx, does the trunk have an updated version?

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GuySoft:

can anyone compile mythtv trunk on debian? it breaks because libmpeg3-dev is on version 1.5, and not 1.

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sebrock:

hello guys, quick question, if I want to remove all settings for e.g. client "temp" from mythconverg. Would this be enough: delete from settings where hostname='temp'; ?

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jams:

the keybindings table would also have some stuff for 'temp'

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Essobi_:

WEEE!

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GuySoft:

dammit. just tested mythubuntu live cd no aac support nether..

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Bhaal:

Hey guys, quick question, I have 1 big backend server with 2 x dual DVB-T tuners, ie: 4 tuners.. However, It seesm that when I am using 2 front ends, unless I manually chnage the input on one, I cannot change channels unless on the same multiplexer ... How do I get the front to autoselect a new tuner when I want a different channel?

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Bhaal:

I accidently asked that in the dev channel

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Bhaal:

my bad...

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juski:

change inputs :)

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dlonie:

Wow, the new TV metadata look up is nice!

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dlonie:

Is there a way to do a batch lookup with it, too?

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juski:

nope, not without an external script

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Bhaal:

juski: That I can do, but I am asking if there is a setting I have missed that will allow the backend to automatically give a different input.. And I ask this because sometimes I am watching TV at work and forget to switch inputs, and my mother who stays here during the week isnt competent enough to do this at home...

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juski:

no

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juski:

then you shouldn't be using mythtv for live television :P

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Bhaal:

juski: And for reference's sake, I have a wireless link between home and work...

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dlonie:

Ah, ok. I'll check in contrib/ to see if there's one in there... (or if anyone else knows of one, I'm all ears :) )

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juski:

dlonie: JAMU ;-)

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josh_:

In my recording rules, is there a way to "prefer" a digital tuner if the same program is available on both analog and digital sources?

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mzb:

yes

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juski:

josh_: give the digital tuner a higher priority number

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josh_:

juski, I'm not sure if I want my digital tuner to *always* have a higher priority. I'll have to think about that

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Bhaal:

juski: so there is no way for the backend to select a different tuner automatically for each individual frontend?

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juski:

josh_: there are *channel* priorities too

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juski:

Bhaal: no

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android6011:

what does the prioirty number do? does it grab the highest one that isnt already recording or being watched? or just the highest one that isnt recording?

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juski:

Bhaal: how many more times?

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josh_:

Bhaal, the backend selects the best tuner that's not in use

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dlonie:

Nice — I've waited so long for something like this :D That just made my day.

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josh_:

juski, hmm?

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josh_:

juski, how does that work?

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mzb:

josh: that depends on the last channel watched, etc

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Bhaal:

josh_: So I guess it comes down to the fact that I am allowing multiple streams on the same tuner due to the multiplexing etc... Hrm...

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josh_:

Bhaal, I may be mistaken, but I belive each tuner can only tune one frequency:multiplex at a time

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Bhaal:

Thats what I mean...

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Bhaal:

All our FTA stations currently broadcast multiple channels on the same multiplex

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josh_:

You mean multiple channels on the same frequency? they would all have different multiplexes (or am I thinking programid's?)

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mzb:

same multiplex

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GuySoft:

juski, in order to compile form trunk, i seem to need libmpeg3–1.7. and debian only has libmpeg3–1.5 .. do you know any way around it? i tried compiling and installing 1.8, but mythtv does not find it

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mzb:

version of Debian?

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Bhaal:

Okey, how do I stop the backend using multiple streams from the same tuner?

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GuySoft:

i saw someone in new-zealand with aac, claims this solved the problem..

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GuySoft:

mzb, squeeze

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GuySoft:

mzb, there is a bug from 2007, that has someone asking for them to update..

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mzb:

Bhaal, reduce the number of "virtual tuners" per physical tuner

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GuySoft:

... but that does not really help, i compiled it..

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mzb:

GuySoft, I have no issues with lenny ;)

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Bhaal:

mzb: yeah just looking for that setting :) I know Ive seen it, just cant remember

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mzb:

Bhaal, backend

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GuySoft:

mzb, hmm. thats strange.. i keep getting a compile error that it carn't find a file

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mzb:

ldconfig?

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GuySoft:

mzb, let me recreate the error

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wagnerrp:

Bhaal: mythfrontend will always use the next available tuner, whether that is a physical or virtual tuner

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GuySoft:

mzb, it might have had ld in it.. yes

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** GuySoft tries running ldconfig. not familiar with it **

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wagnerrp:

when you add your DVBT tuners, your are adding multiple virtual tuners in a row

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wagnerrp:

so two instances of livetv will both go to the same physical tuner

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wagnerrp:

and the second will be locked into the same multiplex as the first

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GuySoft:

mzb, does not help.. letme get that error

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wagnerrp:

the workaround is to delete all your tuners

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Bhaal:

yeah... Just trying to find the setting which says how many virtual tuners

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wagnerrp:

go back and add each tuner one by one, making sure to go into the settings on each and set them all to one virtual tuner

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wagnerrp:

its one of the sub-pages on that page

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Bhaal:

ok

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wagnerrp:

once youve added each physical tuner, go back in and bump up the virtual tuner count on each

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android6011:

are there any usable frontends for windows?

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Bhaal:

found it...

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wagnerrp:

so they wont get used unless all tuners are already in use once

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mzb:

ah, staggered tuners?

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wagnerrp:

android6011: sorta....

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android6011:

heh

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android6011:

which one/s?

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GuySoft:

mzb, http://pastebin.com/m645273f1

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wagnerrp:

there were a couple of older 3rd party ones, but they have all been abandoned

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wagnerrp:

currently, mythfrontend will compile on windows

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Bhaal:

juski, josh_, mzb, wagnerrp: Thanks guys!

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wagnerrp:

but it is a long, complex process getting set up to do so

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wagnerrp:

and i have no idea of its stability once you do so

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android6011:

ok, i had a quad core processor and lots of ram, if i run a frontend in a vm you think it will be ok?

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GuySoft:

mzb, it might be the patchs fault. ill try reverting

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

not gonna do it

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android6011:

didnt think so

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mzb:

GuySoft, I see a lot of errors, but means nothing to me. Compile without patch first! ;)

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GuySoft:

mzb, on my way..

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GuySoft:

mzb, i guess that was dumb, i should have done that before

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mzb:

android6011, you can watch mythtv running mythtv in a linux vm under vmplayer, but no good for editing

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mzb:

and no video acceleration iirc

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wagnerrp:

mzb: certainly you need a beefy machine to even manage SD mpeg2

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mzb:

q9550 ;)

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josh_:

T

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mzb:

but the simple answer is to ditch windows :))

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josh_:

I'm half tempted to just delete the SD channels that have HD counterparts

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mzb:

and/or have a dedicated mythbox

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josh_:

even the channels on the analog tuner that have HD counterparts

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wagnerrp:

josh_: if you delete from the analog tuner, you have to delete from SD as well

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wagnerrp:

or else mythfilldatabase will recreate them on its next run

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josh_:

ahh.

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mzb:

josh_, the shepherd grabber has a setting so that you can prefer HD over SD (or vice versa), so I assume it's a relatively simple process

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josh_:

mzb, I'm just assigning my analog, SD digital, and HD digital channels the same xmltvid if they are the same channel

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josh_:

and letting myth prefer the digital tuner over analog

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mzb:

wagnerrp, isn't there a setting "--update" for mythfilldatabase to prevent that?

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wagnerrp:

mzb: yeah, probably

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josh_:

I just don't want the wife bitching when Comcast decides to re-arrange it's QAM lineup

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wagnerrp:

but over on this side of the pond, we dont run mythfilldatabase (manually)

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josh_:

we run it once

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josh_:

after tuners are created

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josh_:

then it's just automatically ran.

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wagnerrp:

josh_: just wait until comcast rolls out DTAs in your area

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josh_:

wagnerrp, *sigh*

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josh_:

wagnerrp, that would actually be a blessing

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wagnerrp:

they broadcast the channel tables that the DTAs use in-band

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wagnerrp:

so you can grab them with any QAM tuner, and update your channel tables as needed

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josh_:

because then they would (hopefully?) provide ALL my subscribed channels in QAM

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wagnerrp:

no, just all the ones from analog cable

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wagnerrp:

and then, theyre only in standard def

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josh_:

wagnerrp, I agree with Dagmar, they're probably trying to scare people into upgrading to the digital packages

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Gav8in:

How good are channel guides in ATSC PSIP these days?

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josh_:

wagnerrp, that's still a blessing. Right now I only get about 10 or so channels that I get in analog

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Gav8in:

I guess I'll find out soon. My box arrives on Monday.

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mzb:

"plop"

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: its crap

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Gav8in:

oh, that's not the answer i was hoping for.

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wagnerrp:

you get anywhere from the next show, to maybe a day of data at the maximum

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Gav8in:

isn't 12h the legal minimum?

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wagnerrp:

not that ive heard

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wagnerrp:

even if thats the case, its still far lacking from what SD will give you

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Gav8in:

yeah. i will evaluate PSIP for a while probably, then suck it up and help the SD cause.

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josh_:

Gav8in, after the 10 day trial, I had no issues whatsoever giving them $20 / YEAR

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josh_:

Well worth the money.

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josh_:

haha, this article's spot on

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Gav8in:

i had a nice xslt script that used zap2it labs data to find broadcast movies and make a web page for me

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josh_:

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josh_:

nalog

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Gav8in:

being able to do that again is well worth it

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: mythweb has built in searches for that

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Gav8in:

excellent. the xslt was quite hacky

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Gav8in:

i converted the listings data to SQL, then ran a report against the sqlite database so created

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Gav8in:

i've found that idiom for reporting on xml data useful; xml via xslt to sql, run report.

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josh_:

My wife's 78 year old grandmother *refuses* to watch recorded shows. I mean she'll watch them, but we have to hand feed her the shows becasue she "cant work the box"

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wagnerrp:

why not run it against the mythtv listings database?

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Gav8in:

wagner, hrm, i'm reading the FCC orders, andit does seem broadcasters are supposed to respect it. most significantly, the FCC wants EIT updating in realtime as programs go overtime, which means it's useful data in any case for that fact

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wagnerrp:

i have heard some discussions about using EIT for that

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wagnerrp:

but nothing has come of it yet

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Gav8in:

aye. it's just worth noting that the FCC requires it. So at the least, I'll note violations and report them to the FCC.

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Gav8in:

is there a bug for me to add rule citations to?

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juski:

the fcc requires that cable companies allow FTA channels to pass unencrypted but it still happens

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Gav8in:

yeah. i know. and my state requires i keep to 65 or less on the pike, but...

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juski:

rules schmules

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Gav8in:

complaining is useful though; organisations like the fcc respond to polite and simple complaints

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Gav8in:

yeah, so ATSC A/65C requires 12hrs of EIT

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juski:

it's not in the broadcasters' business interests to maintain an accurate supply of EIT data

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juski:

fcc or no fcc

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Gav8in:

why not?

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Gav8in:

i don't fully get that, why isn't it?

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iamlindoro:

Just because something is in the ATSC standard does not mean the FCC requires it

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juski:

because when you're not seeing show X at a given time, you'll probably watch a bit of an overrunning show, then some ads before the show you want to see

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iamlindoro:

Is there an FCC regulation that says EIT must be provided?

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Gav8in:

iamlindoro, true. But reading ATSC A/65C together with FCC order 07–228 gives me the impression that it's required

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juski:

if there were I'd have thought at least some companies would've been brought to book by now

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Gav8in:

see paragraph 185- on the FCC order 07–228

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iamlindoro:

link?

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Gav8in:

"Accordingly, we incorporate ... ATSC PSIP standard A/65C into our rules"

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Gav8in:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 07-228A1.pdf

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dlonie:

Hrm, I've got Jamu installed and configured, but when I run the interactive update command, I get a python error: http://codepad.org/odYiFGkM Any ideas?

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Gav8in:

the order goes on to say that bs names like "network programming" aren't cool

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iamlindoro:

Gav8in: That says that PSIP is part of the standard-- don't see any mention that EIT or programming info must be provided

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iamlindoro:

It says that it's part of the standard, but no compulsion to provide programming data

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Gav8in:

ATSC A/65C says that EIT-0 through EIT-3 are required as part of ATSC 1/65C.

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Gav8in:

I'm no lawyer, but if the order says: implement the standard. and the standard says "this standard requires X", then I interpret the order as requiring X.

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iamlindoro:

Don't think you'd win that case ;)

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Gav8in:

why not?

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Gav8in:

well, i have no standing. duh, only the FCC has standing.

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Gav8in:

but i mean i don't understand how it's not true that it's requred, i guess

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wagnerrp:

dlonie: looks to me like JAMU found not files to work on

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Gav8in:

from ATSC A/65C, pg 9: "The following PSIP data shall be included in all ATSC compliant transport streams ... The first four Event Information Tables describing 12 holurs of events"

[15:13:38]

wagnerrp:

and the author never accounted for the possibility that your system was somehow broken

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dlonie:

wagnerrp: That's what I'm guessing from digging through the script. I've set the video directory in Myth, do I need to specify it somewhere else, too?

[15:14:32]

wagnerrp:

i assume it just grabs out of VideoStartupDir

[15:14:37]

** Gav8in shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

dlonie: remember, those settings are local to each frontend

[15:15:07]

wagnerrp:

you must run JAMU on a machine that has been configured to run mythvideo

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dlonie:

I've only got the one box, front/backend. I'll try a mythfilldatabase and restart the backend process. Maybe that will shake something loose...

[15:15:49]

wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

neither of those has any effect on mythvideo (under 0.21)

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dlonie:

Hmm...

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wagnerrp:

oh... what version of mythtv do you run?

[15:17:26]

dlonie:

trunk

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dlonie:

I used to keep up with all the changes, but can't anymore, so I may have missed something.

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wagnerrp:

looking at the code, it should not be possible to fail in the manner you are failing

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wagnerrp:

the previous function should always return a list, it should never return 'None'

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: gbee: Glad it's working for you guys and thanks for the bugfix (though Greyfoxx, I had a similar fix applied to my local tree but had been waiting to apply it w/ my TV/Movie metadata browse mode once gbee has a second to help me get that sorted out)

[15:23:00]

dlonie:

:(

[15:23:21]

wagnerrp:

dlonie: try updating to 0.3.9 and see if that fixes it

[15:23:40]

dlonie:

That's what I've got.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: If around, you may want to see dlonie's pastebin

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: http://codepad.org/odYiFGkM

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: hehe

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Should have just applied it at the same time, though, so thanks

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RDV_Linux:

Going to look at it now

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dlonie:

wagnerrp: Line 3866 returns None

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Hopefully that's about what you were looking for :)

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dlonie:

So it looks like it's not finding the files.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: somehow _processNames seems to be returning 'None'

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wagnerrp:

dlonie: even if it finds nothing, it should still return an empty list

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wagnerrp:

not 'None'

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah it is :)

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iamlindoro:

cool

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RDV_Linux:

dlonie: Please check the version of Jamu you are using "./jamu -v" and paste back the resulting version text. Just the version text.

[15:31:09]

dlonie:

RDV_Linux: Title: (JAMU – Just.Another.Metadata.Utility); Version: (v0.3.9); Author: (R.D.Vaughan)

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dlonie:

Adding "print directories" in _findMissingInetref shows [u'/mythmounts/video/'], which is the correct directory.

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RDV_Linux:

dlonie: That is the latest version and I have a feeling I know what is wrong. I will IM you to continue the conversation.

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dlonie:

RDV_Linux: Ok

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juski:

ugh. I'm sick of my life. having to make 4 37Way 'D' connector cables, breaking out to feckloads of other plugs & sockets

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juski:

we got smart & subbed it out. So of course the subcontractor is behind schedule. Bastards

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Dibblah:

You are aware that using DB37s for video and audio is a criminal offence in some places?

[16:15:28]

Dibblah:

Or at least it bloody well should be ;)

[16:15:51]

Dibblah:

Just like the damn stupid idea of using DB15 for VGA.

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juski:

yeah well there's no room on the box for 32 BNC sockets :-\

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josh_:

Dibblah, that's actually more common than you might think.

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I know.

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davilla:

use smb connectors

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Dibblah:

It's not *too* bad with proper connector layout.

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josh_:

I had a PCI CCTV capture card that had 16 BNC inputs on a DB(Something, I didnt count the pins)

[16:17:29]

Dibblah:

But still :(

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AndyCap:

josh_: I think I saw that on dealextreme just recently. :P

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sid3windr:

=)

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sid3windr:

does it have linux support? :]

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sid3windr:

though I'd probably go with ip cams

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josh_:

No idea, Linux sees the conexant chips, but doenst know what to do with the card

[16:19:03]

josh_:

It's just sitting in a box

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sid3windr:

speaking of which, I need a wireless ip cam, need to see which one of my cats is always opening the fridge

[16:19:23]

josh_:

sid3windr, a cattle fence is cheaper

[16:19:32]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: no idea, this was h264 something.

[16:19:35]

sid3windr:

the only thing stopping them is a door

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wombo:

I need the same for my real estate agent

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josh_:

and would provide some negative reinforcement

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sid3windr:

not a fency, nothing with holes, nothing that does not rise at least 2m high :p

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wombo:

who keeps walking into my rental without notice

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josh_:

wombo, again, cattle fene

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sid3windr:

wombo: combine that with the usb rocket launchy thing from thinkgeek

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josh_:

about a thousand volts is a significant deterrance

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wombo:

Can I have barbed wire on it?

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sid3windr:

well, I like my kitties :[

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josh_:

wombo, Only if you live in texas :)

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wombo:

Lol, that would be funny to shoot them from work!!

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sid3windr:

wombo: yup

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sid3windr:

or autoshoot them with zoneminder

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

and record and autopost to youtube

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wombo:

hmmmm, im very tempted

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sid3windr:

me too now

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sid3windr:

with some contact on the fridge door

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sid3windr:

:]

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AndyCap:

only 8 channels pr dsub http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26222 good job using the same connector as VGA cards, so people don't get confused or anything.

[16:22:13]

AndyCap:

:>

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wombo:

Come on Aussies, hurry up and get UK out

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wombo:

I wish I could shoot flintoff with the USB thingo

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juski:

yeah a *mobile* DVR with 32 camera inputs, dual gig E.. dunno wtf kind of market it's intended for

[16:30:46]

iamlindoro:

The kind that watches a whole (immigrant) neighborhood from a truck at once :)

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juski:

800PPS, mpeg4 streaming & mjpeg recording (or mpeg4) ...

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juski:

it's mental

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gbee:

event security at temporary venues?

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gbee:

e.g. Parades, marathons, open air festivals?

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iamlindoro:

Probably exactly right

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Have you seen the movie trailer for Avatar. I just watched it and WOW. Unfortunately the sound is 5.1 and will not play for me in either the MythTV internal player or mplayer. Of course I have both DTS and AC3 set to passthru.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I have not seen it, will have to check it out

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RDV_Linux:

It was from Miro's Timo HD Trailer channel.

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iamlindoro:

Don't have that one subscribed-- I tend to just occasionally drop by the apple trailer page and watch them all in one go

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RDV_Linux:

After all the testing of Miro Bridge, Timo is the only trailer channel I still subscribe to.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: The issue with the movie trailer audio is that it is AAC and not AC3 as I thought so no passthru.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Ah, AAC should still work fine if you've got support compiled in

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iamlindoro:

via libfaad

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RDV_Linux:

AAC 5.1?

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iamlindoro:

yes, should work

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iamlindoro:

You won't get passthrough of it, obviously, but it should decode okay

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sphery:

does the player detect that it's AAC and no AC-3 and then decode it even if you have AC-3 and DTS passthrough enabled?

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sphery:

(assuming you have AAC support in)

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iamlindoro:

It should, just as w/ any other audio format

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iamlindoro:

ie mp3 out via SPDIF, etc.

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sphery:

good. didn't know if they were similar enough that it confuses them

[17:01:40]

iamlindoro:

Not in past experience, anyway

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: is it actually a trailer? or just a teaser?

[17:38:07]

wagnerrp:

slashdot said it made no mention of any story

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: It is a teaser but it looks for all the world as a trailer.

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CoreDump:

hello guys. Since XFS just crapped out on me (it might have been h/w related) I'm kinda wondering which FS you guys are using for your myth machines?

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wagnerrp:

CoreDump: how did XFS crap out?

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wagnerrp:

usually you can recover from everything but a hardware failure

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CoreDump:

well, I made several mistakes. a) I used one large XFSpartition for OS and myth, b) I let mythtv fill up the rootfs to 100%. After this, the xfs partition was barely useable anymore. It was *slow*. Slow as in "deleting 120Gb of stuff takes more than 6 hours". r/w speed was about 2Mb/sec

[17:51:39]

wagnerrp:

well yeah... file systems should NEVER be filled

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wagnerrp:

and depending on what they are, you dont want them even close to filled

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CoreDump:

so I finally booted my system off another drive and ran xfs_repair -> *tons* of errors

[17:52:22]

CoreDump:

I have backups, so nothing really is lost

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wagnerrp:

at least some (UFS) dont even let non-root users exceed a preset amount (defaults to 8% free space)

[17:52:59]

Gav8in:

ext2fs as well, something like 4% or 8%.

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CoreDump:

But since I'm now repartitioning and reinstalling the machine, it is a perfect time for me to ask for input =)

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wagnerrp:

i got a bad taste for XFS when i couldnt recover after one drive in a span failed

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wagnerrp:

of course i cant really expect any file system to recover from that

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CoreDump:

I'm inclined to give XFS another go for myth, but use an ext3 partition for the OS

[17:54:52]

CoreDump:

Gav8in: it's 5%, which on a 500Gb is ridiculous IMO

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wagnerrp:

we use XFS heavily at work

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wagnerrp:

and ive only once had a problem with it

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wagnerrp:

the /usr mount on one of the systems went bad, and i had to wipe the journal and remount to fix it

[17:56:06]

CoreDump:

yeah, it has been my favorite RAID FS to date. So I will write this off as my own stupidity

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wagnerrp:

i use JFS for everything at work, and the only time ive ever had problems is if i crash while replaying the journal on boot

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wagnerrp:

s/work/home/

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Gav8in:

I've always just used ext3, and never thought twice about it

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wagnerrp:

ext3 cannot handle large files well

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sphery:

handles them great

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sphery:

doesn't delete them fast, though

[17:57:18]

sphery:

but that's why we have Slow Deletes

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Gav8in:

okie. so i'll set that. what other options work? use jfs?

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wagnerrp:

jfs, zfs, ext3 (with slow deletes) are all acceptable options

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wagnerrp:

xfs, not zfs

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wagnerrp:

zfs is only available through FUSE... which is not ideal for mythtv

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Gav8in:

zfs is no good, eh?~

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Gav8in:

and sshfs is right out

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wagnerrp:

it has no native support

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levander:

Somebody can explain why I've successfully scanned for channels with my QAM tuner, but I run mythfill database and no program guide is populated? All the channels numbers are like 83#4.

[17:59:20]

iamlindoro:

You just answered your own question ;)

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wagnerrp:

levander: you need to manually specify your xmltv ids for each of those channels

[17:59:35]

levander:

manually?

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levander:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will attempt to set them automatically

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I synced up with trunk this morning to try out the screen shots as covers feature and I do not know if I am doing something wrong. All video's that have cover art are fine. Miro video covers are black even though there is a cover art in the folder. Is there an off/on switch for this feature? Maybe I just do not understand.

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iamlindoro:

The channel #s being wrong prevents mythfilldatabase from matching them against listings... so you can set the XMLTVids, or the channel numbers, and yes, manually

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wagnerrp:

but it cannot do that if the channel does not tell mythtv what it is

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levander:

wagnerrp: When does it do that?

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wagnerrp:

it does that if your station transmits identification information

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wagnerrp:

for example, calling itself by its station IDs

[18:00:45]

levander:

I'm looking at this scte65scan tool. Maybe I can figure that out and not do it manually...

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levander:

wagnerrp: But, *when* does it do that?

[18:01:01]

wagnerrp:

proper names for local broadcast channels will often get transmitted over QAM

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sphery:

levander: and the channel #'s are wrong--having a # as a separator--because Myth's scanner found absolutely no information about the channel in the stream (meaning your provider isn't giving the information necessary to allow us to automatically identify the channels). The 83#4 format is supposed to look really wrong so that you go in and fix it.

[18:01:26]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: All the miro stuff was working properly for me... You are using terminology that is confusing me, though, as the recent change deals with screenshots, not covers... sounds like maybe the items have something in the screenshot field, but it's not a valid image

[18:01:28]

wagnerrp:

but since your cablecompany does not want people using clearqam, they have no incentive to fill out that data for any other channels you may get

[18:01:36]

sphery:

levander: all the above lack of information probably caused by the whole scte65 thing

[18:01:50]

levander:

sphery: I haven't tried scte65 yet.

[18:01:54]

sphery:

right

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: and no, there's no on/off switch

[18:01:58]

sphery:

when you do, things will work

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wagnerrp:

scte65scan only works as it does, because it is capable of reading the program tables that the cableboxes themselves use

[18:02:09]

iamlindoro:

sphery: maybe, depends on cable co/location

[18:02:12]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I will check out what you suggested. Thanks

[18:02:13]

wagnerrp:

and unless you have Comcast, and they are handing out DTAs in your local area

[18:02:16]

sphery:

(if your cable co is actually using scte65)

[18:02:23]

levander:

Ah sphery, I see what you said now.

[18:02:26]

wagnerrp:

that data will be transmitted out-of-band

[18:02:32]

wagnerrp:

and your tuner will not be able to pick it up

[18:02:51]

levander:

sphery: Does scte65scan scan the cable data stream coming in itself?

[18:03:05]

sphery:

others would know better than me

[18:03:14]

levander:

sphery: I'm pretty sure it is because we've got those DC50x boxes working in the house.

[18:03:33]

sphery:

All I can tell you is that the # means there's no data in "normal" places about the channel, so you have to manually correct

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

[18:04:04]

levander:

sphery: Manually correct, or use scte65scan?

[18:04:15]

sphery:

if scte65scan works, that's easier

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levander:

sphery: I've read that page 10 times, the context isn't filling itself in for me.

[18:04:19]

sphery:

if not, manually

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: That *should* (in theory) be the only case you would get nothing at all-- if there is no screenshot, it should fall back to a coverfile... so black means there's something in the field but the image can't be loaded

[18:04:24]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: which means a) it's not a real image or b) it's a PNG being called a JPG or vice versa

[18:04:24]

iamlindoro:

levander: Where do you live, and who is your cable co?

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levander:

iamlindoro: Atlanta, Comcast

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sphery:

levander: the wiki page knows a /lot/ more about scte65scan than I do

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wagnerrp:

levander: is comcast leasing DTAs in your area?

[18:04:52]

sphery:

I use OTA, so I don't have to deal with cable co DRM

[18:05:13]

levander:

sphery: I just need the big picture. Does scte65scan also replace the channel scanning part in the myth backend setup?

[18:05:20]

levander:

wagnerrp: Yes.

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levander:

wagnerrp: Well, not leasing. They're actually free. They're giving them out because they're making everyone go to digital.

[18:05:40]

wagnerrp:

levander: then yes, it is supposed to take the place of the mythtv-setup channel scanner

[18:05:57]

levander:

wagnerrp: Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

levander: i was under the impression they were $1/mo

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levander:

That was the big picture part I needed.

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meshe:

the first 2 are free

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levander:

wagnerrp: Yeah, the 1st 2 free.

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[18:06:35]

meshe:

(says the canadian who happens to have 2 of them)

[18:06:53]

levander:

meshe: Comcast is in Canada too? did not know

[18:07:03]

Gav8in:

afaik, no comcast in canada.

[18:07:05]

meshe:

levander: no, i have property in the US

[18:07:09]

wagnerrp:

so two separate servers kicked offline?

[18:07:23]

sphery:

meshe: and a big cell phone bill when you cross the border :)

[18:07:29]

Gav8in:

although i have bell expressvu in the USA, that's not strictly speaking in completely concordance with their subscriber agreement

[18:07:47]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, there is that, but i have wifi/comcast internet at our property

[18:07:52]

Gav8in:

i might have accidentally given 'em a canadian address.

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meshe:

Gav8in: ooops :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Avatar trailer looks pretty sweet

[18:18:31]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I little more information, some show and some do not. It may be that the screen shots Miro Bridge creates with ffmpeg are the issue. What is curious is that if you pull up the information pop-up on a Miro video that shows a black cover file the screen shot is displayed on the information screen and looks good. An alternate explanation is a naming convention issue.

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GreyFoxx:

oooh avatar trailer.... on trailers.apple.com?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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iamlindoro:

IMO the aliens look like what would happen if a cat had sex w/ the creature from Alien

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GreyFoxx:

hahahaok I was thinking of Avatar, Ang the last airbender which is ALSO coming out as a movie

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iamlindoro:

A teaser for that has been out for a bit

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GreyFoxx:

I;'m trying to find adirect link to the mov since I have no quicktime on here :)

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iamlindoro:

"The Wolfman" also looks fun

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: The issue is definitely with the generated jpg file. I will have to check further.

[18:33:36]

wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: just grab a link to the qt download

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: ok... was the only thing I could think of that it could be

[18:33:54]

wagnerrp:

and add an 'h' after the last underscore

[18:34:40]

gbee:

meh, Apple trailers site won't let me have any of the videos

[18:34:55]

wagnerrp:

gbee: did they change it recently?

[18:35:10]

gbee:

wagnerrp: dunno, rarely use it

[18:35:27]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Flash work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLUrF3ItGQ

[18:35:47]

GreyFoxx:

Flash definitely works... thanks

[18:36:04]

GreyFoxx:

yeah that's the one I saw in the theatre

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iamlindoro:

gbee: have a greasemonkey addon for Firefox that adds a download popup for all the resolutions when you are on an apple trailer page

[18:36:07]

gbee:

just know that clicking on the video links does nothing and they link to 93byte junk if you follow them manually

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gbee:

guess what GreyFoxx ran into

[18:36:33]

gbee:

iamlindoro: using Opera atm

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Ah... oh well, this is what I use if you want to use firefox for this purpose: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2484

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: heh yeah, -rw-r--r-- 1 greg users 93 2009-08–20 11:30 avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_1080p.mov

[18:37:10]

iamlindoro:

screenshot of same: http://manuelseeger.de/wp-content/uploads/atd2.hd.png

[18:37:10]

wagnerrp:

gbee: like i mentioned, you have to add an 'h' after the last underscore

[18:37:27]

wagnerrp:

so you would want to download avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h1080p.mov

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: above might work for you, was still working as of a day or two ago

[18:38:10]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: I tried that and it links to an html page

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: That will be most handy

[18:39:25]

GreyFoxx:

thanks

[18:39:49]

gbee:

wagnerrp: doesn't work, just redirects back to the main page

[18:40:17]

josh_:

I understand a lot of the configuration data for each frontend is stored in the backend's mysql DB. Is *all* the frontend stored there or is only *some* configuration stored there?

[18:40:55]

gbee:

wagnerrp: http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/ava . . . r_h1080p.mov

[18:41:03]

GreyFoxx:

josh_: all. Except for LIRC and of course the config on how to reach the database

[18:41:27]

wagnerrp:

seems theyve changed the layout so thats no longer the way to do it

[18:41:54]

josh_:

hmm, backend crashed.

[18:43:55]

wagnerrp:

the filename is still the same, but now they change the path

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josh_:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x082db0bf ***

[18:44:30]

josh_:

so that means..... a memtest86 is in order?

[18:45:29]

matt2154_:

I'm a new myth user (under Ubuntu). I've got the backend and frontend on the same machine. "Watch TV" does nothing (dumps me immediately back to the main menu; "System Status" shows a "Tuner 1 is unavailable"; and when I restart /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend I get this error in the logs: "ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs(): Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Any thoughts?

[18:45:49]

josh_:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1536704

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wagnerrp:

matt2154_: sounds like you didnt do each step in mythtv-setup

[18:46:07]

josh_:

matt2154_, I agree with wagnerrp

[18:46:18]

wagnerrp:

you must add a card, add a video source, and bind the video source to one of the inputs on the card

[18:46:26]

wagnerrp:

you probably only did the first of those

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matt2154_:

wagnerrp: that was my assumption too, but I believe I have done all of those multiple times. One sec and I'll back that up with config readings

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, its steps 2, 3, and 4 respectively

[18:47:52]

wagnerrp:

you need to do all three of those

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matt2154_:

OK, let me take that for a spin again and see if it changes something

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matt2154_:

OK, maybe it is step 4. I'm very unclear on what is changeable on "Input connections". Right now it showes three input connections and (tevelision, Composite1, and S-video) and they all have " -> (None)" next to them.

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josh_:

matt2154_, that's fine

[18:51:54]

matt2154_:

I have the television connector attached to a cable tv feed

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josh_:

matt2154_, those are all inputs on your tuner card

[18:52:17]

josh_:

What card is it?

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matt2154_:

It is an ATI TV Wonder (and I can watch tv via mplayer, so I know it works ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Even though I washed the jpg through Gimp I still have the issue. Here is an error from the FE log for these problem screen shots. Any comments? http://pastebin.ca/1536706

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: change the DB record and filename to end in .png, then see if they load

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RDV_Linux:

OK

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juski:

heh ubunuts have a bug number for the 'enter imdb' theme issue

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cityLights:

sphery: hi

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cityLights:

~seen GuySoft

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josh_:

matt2154_, all three of those sound like proper sources for that card.

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sphery:

hi

[18:56:04]

sphery:

still haven't gotten a chance to look at it

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matt2154_:

josh_: yes, I have all three of those connectors on the card

[18:56:28]

josh_:

matt2154_, If you're using coax, the (I belive) you should be using "Television"

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cityLights:

guySoft422: hi mate, so what is wrong with the dvb-t ?

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matt2154_:

josh_: yes, that seems right to me as well

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josh_:

matt2154_, so in step 4, bind your television source to the linup you had specified in step 3

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cityLights:

I read in the moc.gov site that analog broadcasting will terminate in 18 months after dvb-t starts

[18:57:35]

cityLights:

is analog over cable also dieing ?

[18:57:45]

cityLights:

anyone from europe?

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cityLights:

is dvb-c taking over

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cityLights:

?

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: did you see steam now has monkey island chapter 2

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gbee:

RDV_Linux: faster method, "file {imagefile}"

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matt2154_:

josh_: OK, I think you've just solved it for me. I wasn't putting in a source name for the tv guide publishers, and therefore I wasnt able to bind to any source but "None". Now that I'm binding to a SchedulesDirect.org provider (even though I haven't put in a username and password) I finally have it scanning for available channels :)!

[18:59:21]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Came out today

[18:59:33]

Shadow__X:

do you already have it downloaded :)

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gbee:

since iamlindoro suspects that they aren't really jpgs but pngs

[18:59:50]

iamlindoro:

That is indeed my suspicion :)

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josh_:

matt2154_, Is that TV wonder an analog tuner or digital?

[19:00:03]

iamlindoro:

(and by far the most common cause of that error)

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matt2154_:

josh_: analog

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gbee:

especially with QT4

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AndyCap:

gbee: transpixuals?

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josh_:

matt2154_, don't do a channel scan with an analog tuner

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cityLights:

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josh_:

matt2154_, i"m not sure why, but I'm told it causes problems

[19:00:34]

wagnerrp:

matt2154_: just have mythtv grab a lineup from schedules direct

[19:00:35]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Yeah, that sucks, and is a regression, no?

[19:00:44]

matt2154_:

josh_: hrm... ok

[19:00:45]

iamlindoro:

thought qt3 handled it okay

[19:01:05]

josh_:

matt2154_, sign up for SchedulesDirect's free 10 day trial

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: It made no difference to the result or error message. GNOME image viewer would not open the screen shot when I renamed it to a png extension but had no problem with the jpg.

[19:01:36]

josh_:

matt2154_, and like wagnerrp said, have mythtv pull the linup from SchedulesDirect

[19:01:45]

RDV_Linux:

gbee: your comment went right over my head.

[19:01:56]

matt2154_:

josh_: woohoo! I have TV finally! :)

[19:02:03]

josh_:

matt2154_, nice work

[19:02:10]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: he wants you to run "file filename.ext"

[19:02:35]

josh_:

matt2154_, what are you using as a display device?

[19:02:38]

matt2154_:

josh: Now that I know that it will work, I'll go sign up for a SD trial...

[19:02:43]

juski:

oh crap. somebody saw my tweets about mythtv & then went postal on my inbox. Windows MCE fan c***

[19:03:11]

josh_:

juski, That's a super power I wish I had

[19:03:23]

matt2154_:

josh_: Right now it is a 19" 1280x1024 LCD, but I hope to throw in a tv-output card and connect it to my TV.

[19:03:42]

sphery:

cityLights: in that data, do you know the name of a show with all hebrew characters in the title? (pastebin, please, since I haven't set up wide-char support in my IRC client... Sorry. Thanks.)

[19:04:10]

RDV_Linux:

gbee: the result is "JPEG image data"

[19:04:29]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: What trunk revision are you running?

[19:04:39]

josh_:

juski, http://images.wowstead.com/33815/53.jpg

[19:04:57]

cityLights:

sphery: can you wait untill damages finishes?

[19:05:10]

juski:

haha people on that ubuntu bug are advocating renaming the imdb popup to 'tmdb'. Yeah that'll fix it, by making it disappear

[19:05:14]

josh_:

matt2154_, Just bear in mind that because the signal is transcoded twice, it will look worse using an analog tuner than your normal TV does.

[19:05:31]

sphery:

cityLights: sure... just mention my nick when you paste the URI

[19:05:34]

iamlindoro:

juski: Link to the bug?

[19:05:50]

juski:

https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/339880

[19:05:51]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I did a SVN update this morning. 21373

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juski:

I'd post the fix myself but I CBA to sign up again

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[19:06:26]

juski:

serves em right for getting themes from a tainted source :P

[19:06:54]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Should be up to date... I'd need to work on one in person to get any further, I think... but last night, everything (Geekbrief included) was working properly

[19:07:11]

matt2154_:

Any ideas about getting audio off of this TV Wonder card? Right now I have to use a cable to connect from the card's audio out, to my sound card's CD audio in.

[19:07:41]

wagnerrp:

matt2154_: you have a framegrabber, dealing with audio is one of the major pitfalls

[19:07:46]

iamlindoro:

Set the card on fire, then replace with a card that is not a narsty framegrabber

[19:07:54]

iamlindoro:

make sure to remove the card from the PC first

[19:08:02]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Thanks for your help. I need to leave this for a while as I want to release a fix for the Jamu issue that was spotted earlier today.

[19:08:10]

wagnerrp:

no, the PC has been tainted, it must be cleansed

[19:08:20]

matt2154_:

wagnerrp: so basically getting audio directly via the PCI bus is impossible?

[19:08:22]

juski:

wooo single tuner mythtv. as useful as something that should come in twos & only having one :P

[19:08:32]

wagnerrp:

matt2154_: that depends on the card

[19:08:34]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: May not be your issue, I'll look at it... but I suspect it's an image naming issue, still

[19:08:37]

juski:

matt2154_: yes unless the tuner has an actual audio device onboard

[19:08:39]

wagnerrp:

some framegrabbers have built in audio capture

[19:08:46]

wagnerrp:

some only have passthrough to the sound card

[19:08:46]

RDV_Linux:

aah

[19:08:54]

wagnerrp:

as they were never intended for recording, only watching

[19:09:08]

juski:

mmm fuzzy teevee on the desktop

[19:09:32]

matt2154_:

wagnerrp: hrm... i wonder if dsp1 is the tv wonder card. Let me try that

[19:10:03]

matt2154_:

wagnerrp: or does that make any sense... are the /dev/dsp* only outputs?

[19:10:03]

juski:

anyway my experience of framegrabber tuners has always been bad. If I got a good picture the audio was buzzing loudly, or else the audio would be crystal clear & the picture would be a mess :D

[19:10:26]

wagnerrp:

matt2154_: i wouldnt know... ive never dealt with framegrabbers on linux

[19:10:33]

juski:

one actually did manage to tune a channel well, but it was one I didn't want :P

[19:12:07]

juski:

anyway at least in linux you can capture audio & video from different devices & they end up in sync

[19:12:56]

juski:

anybody else ever try archiving VHS on a windows pc with a framegrabber? that was one weekend I'll never forget

[19:13:13]

iamlindoro:

good god no

[19:13:21]

iamlindoro:

You lost me at "archive VHS"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, we had multiple drawers full of recorded VHSs, that just got outright abandoned the day we got a DVD player

[19:15:24]

iamlindoro:

I understand it for home movies, but the people who are transferring purchased movies that way make me sad

[19:15:40]

juski:

heh. I ordered the DVD the next day

[19:16:23]

wagnerrp:

the only stuff we might want transferred is on super-8, and has to be sent out somewhere to process anyway

[19:16:27]

Gav8in:

VHS is so awful.

[19:16:36]

juski:

the vids I made at college, I grabbed them via a DV camcorder

[19:16:47]

Gav8in:

What I can't believe is my memories of when we got our VCR; I remember it having a video quality _indistinguishable_ from cable

[19:16:55]

Gav8in:

and yet today, that same quality is totally unacceptably poor

[19:17:14]

juski:

before digital TV, you were stuck with NTSC

[19:17:27]

juski:

which by comparison may aswell have been crayon drawings

[19:17:30]

gbee:

you have our sympathies

[19:17:47]

juski:

I miss analogue PAL :(

[19:18:06]

juski:

prolly wouldn't if DVB-T bitrates were higher or the encoding were better

[19:18:11]

wagnerrp:

you can have your high pitch voices

[19:18:27]

juski:

wagnerrp: not anymore :P

[19:18:29]

Gav8in:

and the music all played a key high!

[19:18:35]

Gav8in:

i mean that must really bug musicians

[19:18:40]

Gav8in:

or anyone with good pitch

[19:19:09]

juski:

they repitch things these days. sometimes you can tell

[19:19:29]

gbee:

you know in tv and movies where a character is watching TV and the picture quality is really awful, I just assumed for years that it was an artefact of the filming process, but that was before I saw an NTSC picture in person

[19:19:37]

juski:

hahaha

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[19:19:54]

juski:

yeh I had that in my hotel 1st time I visited the states

[19:20:03]

Gav8in:

what i find interesting is that the GDR used the same TV standard as west germany)

[19:20:04]

juski:

I rang the front desk & somebody came up to see

[19:20:21]

juski:

they told me it was better than what they got off cable at home

[19:20:54]

juski:

and the color (sic) rendition. Oh boy :D

[19:21:29]

gbee:

juski: hear the really sad news about BBC HD?

[19:21:35]

juski:

?

[19:21:41]

gbee:

the slashed the bitrate in half :/

[19:21:47]

juski:

for why?

[19:22:06]

juski:

I knew they said the 18Mbits/sec was just for a trial period

[19:22:11]

gbee:

to save money on the broadcast I suspect

[19:22:19]

juski:

how does it look?

[19:22:23]

wagnerrp:

well now youre back down to our level of quality

[19:22:38]

Gav8in:

9MBit at H.264 isn't so bad looking, is it?

[19:22:38]

juski:

wagnerrp: 18Mbits h.264

[19:22:49]

Gav8in:

18MBits h.264 is pretty good looking i bet

[19:22:51]

wagnerrp:

9mbps h264 vs. 18mbps mpeg2

[19:22:58]

wagnerrp:

are supposed to be roughly equivalient

[19:22:59]

juski:

gbee: still, won't look as bad as US HD

[19:23:18]

juski:

those stills of comcast or whatever I saw.. sheesh

[19:23:22]

gbee:

not looked yet, my production frontend can't play HD right now due to driver issues and the DVB-S card in my dev machine can't pick up BBC HD properly, I'm too lazy to record on one machine and copy it over

[19:23:43]

juski:

glad I've not rushed headlong into the HD furore

[19:24:16]

juski:

reminds me. I get to see Chuck in '3D' next week :-\

[19:24:34]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that wasnt fun....

[19:24:37]

sphery:

juski: make sure you have some aspirin

[19:24:49]

wagnerrp:

it looked like ass without glasses

[19:24:55]

sphery:

good show, but the 3D hurt my head after watching the whole ep with glasses

[19:24:57]

wagnerrp:

of course it probably looked like ass WITH glasses

[19:25:06]

gbee:

BBC reckon that with the changes they've made it's actually an improvement, but then they would say that – they just want to see if anyone is going to notice, if enough people complained they'd go back up but I suspect that most people will just accept it

[19:25:29]

sphery:

your brain was really trying to compensate for the color shifts with the glasses and it was a strain on the eyes/brain

[19:25:41]

juski:

gbee: is this to make room for 'new' HD freesat channels?

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gbee:

hmm, so a) don't watch it b) find glasses from somewhere

[19:26:06]

wagnerrp:

i can watch *proper* 3D all day

[19:26:18]

wagnerrp:

and i have at work, whether on a 3D monitor, or dual projectors

[19:26:30]

wagnerrp:

but i cant stand anaglyphs

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gbee:

juski: doubt it, suspect it's so they can use the same stream for Freeview

[19:26:43]

sphery:

yeah, anaglyphs are bad

[19:26:50]

sphery:

I really hope they don't catch on in TV

[19:27:00]

juski:

I think I'll give next week's Chuck a miss

[19:27:36]

juski:

sphery: in the UK Sky are dancing about 3D now. timetabling next year .. :-O

[19:27:44]

gbee:

I might watch it cross-eyed, see if that produces a watchable picture without glasses

[19:27:53]

juski:

look for those "3D ready" sets in the shops

[19:27:59]

sphery:

*groan*

[19:28:05]

juski:

seriously

[19:28:13]

sphery:

3d ready with 120Hz or 240Hz with active shuttering glasses?

[19:28:15]

juski:

bin the HDTV already. ffs

[19:28:20]

juski:

yup

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sphery:

I hate active glasses, too

[19:28:40]

sphery:

Maybe I'll just write code for Myth and stop watching TV

[19:28:48]

sphery:

(after getting through my backlog of recordings, of course)

[19:28:52]

juski:

been working for me :D

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[19:29:04]

juski:

I'm down to about 4 hours a week now

[19:29:22]

jblack_:

of coding, or watching tv?

[19:29:28]

juski:

watching TV

[19:29:31]

juski:

usually less

[19:29:41]

jblack_:

I believe that. it's off-season for tv

[19:29:55]

juski:

I have plenty to watch. just CBA

[19:30:07]

jblack_:

I'm down to about 10 hours a week, and I don't even have a job

[19:30:22]

sphery:

they do seasons differently over there, AFAIUI

[19:30:39]

juski:

got a whole load of the wire to watch. just CBA

[19:30:56]

sphery:

at least it seems that way since when our season ends (in the US), tv.com starts talking about all the UK/Australia/... TV shows

[19:31:39]

Gav8in:

tv is different wrt seasons in different places.

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Gav8in:

in HK, primetime is daily miniseries. a 40 episode miniseries will run 1hr/daily M-F for eight weeks

[19:32:05]

Gav8in:

very strange

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sphery:

that's pretty much what MyTV tried to do after the WB/UPN mess and CW left MyTV with absolutely no content

[19:33:51]

sphery:

(didn't work for them, though)

[19:33:57]

Gav8in:

ah. How is MyTV? I would need to go to some effort to get it, trying to decide if I should bother

[19:34:26]

sphery:

I think in the last 2 yrs, the only things I've ever recorded of it are old movies edited for TV

[19:34:48]

Gav8in:

ah. movies editted for TV usually make me sad.

[19:35:02]

sphery:

(old meaning compared to when movies first make it to broadcast)

[19:35:15]

sphery:

I have fun with them

[19:35:25]

sphery:

Sometimes it's quite obvious what's missing

[19:35:34]

sphery:

sometimes they paint underwear on people

[19:35:37]

sphery:

kind of funny

[19:35:42]

Gav8in:

i have never seen that. now that is funny.

[19:36:21]

sphery:

yeah... and tryin to figure out the reasoning behind which words are censored is quite a challenge... I'm adding a few more nodes to the cluster I made for trying to find the pattern.

[19:36:55]

sphery:

Oh, plus sometimes the audio is censored, but they leave the word completely spelled out in the captions :)

[19:38:04]

Gav8in:

whereas growin' up in toronto, there's soft porn on two channels on weekend nights

[19:38:16]

Gav8in:

broadcast

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sphery:

yeah, the US is a whole different place--from the rest of the world

[19:39:20]

Gav8in:

nah, i think generally canada gets an undeserved free pass on a lot of crap people say about america

[19:39:23]

jblack_:

Seems like every place is different than every other place.

[19:39:36]

Gav8in:

aye.

[19:39:39]

jblack_:

It's like every place is a... different place.

[19:40:07]

Gav8in:

well, except for Tucson, AZ and Cincinnati, OH, which I think were shown in the 1980s to actually be the same city.

[19:40:18]

jblack_:

wormhole?

[19:40:23]

Gav8in:

hard to explain

[19:40:35]

sphery:

heh

[19:40:41]

jblack_:

Well, it is Tucsinnati...

[19:40:56]

sphery:

WKRP in Tucsinnati

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Gav8in:

N.B. Turkeys cannot fly.

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meshe:

showing your age there sphery

[19:41:18]

meshe:

:)

[19:41:31]

Gav8in:

sphery and i went to the same place

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jblack_:

I miss the old pre-primetime shows

[19:41:41]

Gav8in:

turkeys flying is a WKRP reference too

[19:41:53]

meshe:

(not that i wouldn't mind getting ahold of that series myself)

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Gav8in:

remember, the best episode of WKRP ever is the turkey release, they let turkeys go for free over the city

[19:42:45]

sphery:

meshe: if I didn't get the turkey reference, that means I'm old, but not /that/ old, right?

[19:42:46]

jblack_:

for those that never saw wkrp... http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3661194/WKRP_ . . . n_100MB_divx

[19:43:07]

meshe:

sphery: or really old and losing your memory ;)

[19:43:22]

sphery:

well, that could be it, actually

[19:43:26]

jblack_:

The entire season is there in 6.7 gigs.

[19:43:28]

Gav8in:

there was also an episode with dancing turkeys too i remember

[19:43:30]

meshe:

but that could just be the myth encyclopedia cloggin up too many neurons

[19:43:47]

sphery:

it does take a large portion of my available storage

[19:43:50]

** Gav8in checks **

[19:43:59]

Gav8in:

those were ducks they made dance with the hotplate

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** iamlindoro blinks, wonders if someone really just posted a torrent link to copyrighted cotnent in this channel **

[19:44:05]

meshe:

jblack_: not in here please, this is a torrent free space

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm wonder if I can run stellarium on this little eeepc I have in a drawer... probably not...

[19:44:23]

jblack_:

iamlindoro: Nah. It was a typo. Sorry. I'll make sure to spellcheck in the future.

[19:44:31]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: still haven't gotten it running on your camera? ;)

[19:44:32]

Gav8in:

i think that people can just wait for the turkey drop to show up on tv eventually

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iamlindoro:

Bet the kickban will be a "finger slip" too ;)

[19:45:00]

meshe:

Gav8in: i'm pretty sure that you can buy the series on dvd now

[19:45:05]

Gav8in:

prolly

[19:45:17]

jblack_:

I apologize and say I wont' do it again, so you escalate? What's that about?

[19:45:38]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Certainly not :) but I've got a modified webcame and my camera setup for taking pictures now :)

[19:45:52]

meshe:

jblack_: you didn't notice the emoticon?

[19:46:14]

iamlindoro:

Plus, you don't get to be belligerent when you're the one who broke the rules

[19:46:19]

Gav8in:

let's talk about something nice instead. like the hurricane i'm preparing my boat for tonight.

[19:46:23]

sphery:

now I want to go check prices on optics, again...

[19:46:33]

sphery:

get myself a nice 10" mirror

[19:46:37]

GreyFoxx:

And taking this eeepc out would be a nice small handy pc rather than a full laptop

[19:46:41]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Nice!

[19:46:43]

Gav8in:

ooh, telescopes.

[19:46:46]

sphery:

yeah

[19:46:57]

meshe:

1.5 workdays left and i'm on holidays for 2 weeks :)

[19:47:01]

GreyFoxx:

I'm thinking that will be a next spring project for me

[19:47:16]

sphery:

your last mention of it got me thinking about my years-old dream of building my own scope (with purchased optics)

[19:47:21]

jblack_:

Heh. Ok. I'm double sorry. As self-punishment, I poked myself with a needle. Can we move onto the parole part/

[19:47:32]

meshe:

jblack_: kinky

[19:47:34]

sphery:

how big was the needle?

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jblack_:

30 guage

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GreyFoxx:

sphery:I've become addicted to it :)

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Gav8in:

well, by needle, he meant "glass of beer", and by "poked" he meant "took a sip"

[19:47:56]

Gav8in:

but otherwise,yeah.

[19:48:04]

GreyFoxx:

I spent a lot of nights out watching the sky now :)

[19:48:35]

jblack_:

greyfoxx: You'll inform us if the aliens arive to enslave us and eat our young?

[19:48:59]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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meshe:

heh, jblack_ thinks that hasn't already happened :)

[19:50:33]

meshe:

that's another series I want: Welcome Back, Kotter

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scan is now known as scan_away

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: and keep an eye out for a hunk of a brown dwarf hitting the moon or a comet knocking a large asteroid onto a collision course with Earth.

[19:53:02]

GreyFoxx:

oh certainly

[19:53:05]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[19:53:26]

sphery:

(those were 2 /very/ disappointing mini-series with the same idea aired by 2 networks within 2 weeks of each other)

[19:53:50]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, but Impact wasn't quite as bad as the other

[19:53:55]

GreyFoxx:

but both were poo

[19:54:06]

sphery:

One had ludicrous science with an OK story. The other had closer to real science, but with a ludicrous story.

[19:54:27]

wagnerrp:

can i rig up a pair of headphones to run off the pc speaker pins?

[19:54:34]

sphery:

Yeah, I liked Impact better. Seems that story is more important than science.

[19:54:50]

wagnerrp:

need to figure out why a machine isnt doing anything, so i need to hear the beeps

[19:55:09]

** iamlindoro kicks trac in the nads **

[19:55:11]

sphery:

you don't have 25 different PC audio speakers in a jar in the junk room?

[19:55:46]

sphery:

(the little round black cylinders with 2 wires going to the speaker connector)

[19:56:11]

sphery:

if not, stop by my house and I'll give you a bunch :)

[19:56:11]

wagnerrp:

we dont really have a junk room, just a junk shelf

[19:56:17]

wagnerrp:

the junk room is on campus

[19:56:45]

wagnerrp:

and then an entire wall filled with case boxes, filled with spare cables, and motherboard manuals

[19:58:29]

GlemSom:

Is the mythtv trac system extremly slow atm? or is it just at my end?

[19:58:37]

iamlindoro:

yes, it's busted

[19:58:41]

wagnerrp:

i was going to cut up one of the hundreds of spare USB brackets, and wire it to my headphones, or a pair of speakers

[19:59:44]

juski:

hmm. need a wired network to do proper work but this sofa is so comfy..

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sphery:

just means you need more network jacks in your house and some nice long ethernet cables

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sphery:

(I always carry a 40-foot one when traveling because some hotels put the ethernet jack in the dumbest places.)

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juski:

yeah I know I need more network sockets at home. Gonna start tackling them this weekend along with running the whole house audio cable & new alarm cabling

[20:07:27]

juski:

I'll probably fit a couple of new aerial sockets while I'm at it so I can have a tuner on my dev machine (laptop) too while I'm down here

[20:08:09]

sphery:

I'm just using the MPEG-2 file tuner for my dev box

[20:08:24]

sphery:

works well enough--just always broadcasts the same old garbage.

[20:08:52]

juski:

mpeg-2 whatnow?

[20:09:25]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/217058#217058

[20:11:24]

iamlindoro:

dummy tuner!

[20:11:34]

juski:

nifty-mongous!

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juski:

ah, snag there is that I need actual media files I have fast access to

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juski:

I'm not planning on messing with livetv ;-)

[20:12:44]

sphery:

Just put a small MPEG-2 on there... Only needs to be a couple of minutes.

[20:13:15]

juski:

I should have enough recordings on my nfs share now from this machine to keep me going for a while

[20:13:39]

juski:

wireless is too slow even for image loading :-(

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juski:

useless for music too :-(

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juski:

(in linux)

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sphery:

juski sure does give Linux wireless a lot of FLAC

[20:14:45]

wagnerrp:

looks like speakers work just fine plugged into the mobo headers

[20:14:48]

juski:

I tried mp3 aswell. less frustrating but still awful

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: You fine with the feature freeze date? (though traditionally no one notices with the plugins)

[20:15:06]

juski:

wagnerrp: active speakers plugged into line level mobo headers?

[20:15:12]

wagnerrp:

juski: yep

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: I don't know what it is :)

[20:15:29]

juski:

some people aren't in the secret coven

[20:15:32]

wagnerrp:

didnt sound good... but what do i care, it just beeps anyway

[20:15:40]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: But in all liklihood I'm fine with it, I'm only bugfixing now anyway

[20:15:45]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: proposed 24th

[20:16:13]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Sure, I can live with that-- I have one more metadata browse mode I want to get in but don't think that counts as a new feature, everything else I want to do is clean up and fix

[20:17:34]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: You think you'll have a chance to look at the file scan?

[20:19:02]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Should, it is a bug so I may delay fixing and try to get the new grabber stuff in, then fix the scan code.

[20:19:12]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Cool

[20:19:37]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Hopefully I'm not sabotaging any efforts w/ my recent hacking :)

[20:19:45]

Gav8in:

random dumb idea: variable bitrate coding for sports events that notices the in-play timer descendinmg, and ups the bitrate.

[20:20:08]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: No efforts to sabotage at this point (no actual code, just notes and an attempt I've given up on)

[20:20:38]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Whew ;)

[20:21:12]

Gav8in:

obviously not for mythtv, i am just sharing a dumb idea generally.

[20:21:19]

Anduin:

I had a lot of mtd changes that I've just given up on merging with Daniel's for this release

[20:21:25]

hadees:

anyone tried mythbox? http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/

[20:21:29]

Gav8in:

I thank you for your attention / Je vous remercie pour votre attention

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juski:

hadees: why would anyone try it?

[20:22:52]

juski:

wooo look, all my recordings in one big list!

[20:22:59]

juski:

I've been dying for that feature

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hadees:

juski, lol cause it exists? xbmc had some shitty myth support, i was wondering if it was actually usable

[20:24:01]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Yeah, I have only begun to peek at the mtd stuff, I am probably a very long way from understanding it even to the small extent that I understand the videodlg stuff

[20:24:35]

juski:

hadees: had? it still has ;-)

[20:24:40]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: I really want to kill it entirely, no one will ever be happy with it.

[20:26:33]

gbee:

works well enough for ISOs

[20:26:41]

hadees:

what is the state of mythtube?

[20:26:52]

meshe:

sorry, but what's mtd?

[20:27:37]

juski:

myth transcode daemon

[20:27:43]

meshe:

ahh, yeah

[20:27:45]

meshe:

thanks

[20:27:50]

gbee:

rips DVDs

[20:28:04]

meshe:

yeah, the acronym just wasn't clicking for me

[20:28:54]

gbee:

I used to keep confusing it with mfd and mdb

[20:29:34]

meshe:

yeah, when i first joined this room I was talking about having to kill MTD, sphery didn't like that very much

[20:30:03]

iamlindoro:

hadees: deceased

[20:30:09]

Anduin:

It sometimes works for ISOs, the ones that fail in VOB mode tend to fail there as well though.

[20:31:10]

meshe:

for some reason it would consume all the memory on my myth systems and eventually crash the boxes, and that was without even loading the dvd screen or having a dvd in the drive

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sphery:

why does meshe have it in for me?

[20:31:44]

gbee:

must admit I went straight for k3b for the last iso rip I did, though if I didn't have the desktop environment I'd really miss mtd

[20:31:55]

sphery:

I'm just glad I live a whole country away from her

[20:32:07]

meshe:

lol sphery :)

[20:32:13]

gbee:

a mile across the border

[20:32:14]

iamlindoro:

I don't know that I've ever ripped anything in myth in a mode other than ISO/VOB

[20:32:24]

meshe:

don't worry, i have no plans to visit FL anytime soon :)

[20:32:45]

sphery:

phew!

[20:32:46]

iamlindoro:

If we *do* ever get transcoding as a backend service, would be nice to funnel dvd rips into that too

[20:32:55]

jams:

sphery- about the compare settings querey. For now i'm thinking of command line only

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gbee:

and since we're effectively killing vob support in 0.22, only ISO mode is of any use

[20:33:19]

iamlindoro:

gbee: vice versa

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jams:

not for sure how to present it within the myth interface. any ideas?

[20:33:27]

sphery:

jams: cool... I'm guessing gbee is pretty busy right now with other stuff, so I'll look at getting 6704 in

[20:33:34]

iamlindoro:

gbee: VOBs work great via SG, ISO not at all

[20:33:53]

gbee:

iamlindoro: err, not here and not what GreyFoxx said the other night

[20:34:03]

iamlindoro:

I just watched a Dr. Who episode last night that way :)

[20:34:05]

gbee:

VOBs don't work at all here

[20:34:14]

iamlindoro:

ISO doesn't work via SG

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sphery:

are we forgetting about an encryption difference here?

[20:34:27]

gbee:

just sees the VIDEO_TS files as directories

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Ah, I'm talking about a standalone VOB

[20:34:53]

gbee:

I went and converted all my vobs to ISO as a result

[20:34:58]

iamlindoro:

as in a single-title rip

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ahh, I only ever rip to keep the entire disk

[20:35:23]

iamlindoro:

gbee: How are you getting ISO to play streaming? We have no support for it at all yet-- are you testing GreyFoxx's patch?

[20:35:33]

jams:

right vob for single title, iso for entire disk

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gbee:

s/entire disk/all the content/

[20:36:07]

gbee:

iamlindoro: I haven't tried it yet, I just did it because GreyFoxx said it would work where VIDEO_TS would not

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iamlindoro:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

It would be nice to figure out a fix for that for .23

[20:37:02]

gbee:

If I've just converted everything to ISO and it doesn't work I might be a little upset :)

[20:37:25]

iamlindoro:

wonder if Captain_Murdoch might have some ideas about that... wonder if ringbuffer can "emulate" a disk for streaming

[20:38:26]

iamlindoro:

or rather, whether such a capability could be added

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** laga starts humping iamlindoro's leg re #mythtv **

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sphery:

woah

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

better go read #mythtv so I'm not too worried about laga

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juski:

won't be finished anytime soon, but it'll be good exercise

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sphery:

will it be truly analog with the hands sweeping smoothly or will they click from position to position... :)

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juski:

sphery: as good as 1 degree rotates can be

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sphery:

nice... that's like 6 sweeps per second for the second hand

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juski:

I'll work that in somehow

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juski:

might be too costly to redraw that often

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Captain_Murdoch:

RingBuffer supports seeking and reading, so theoretically, it could be used for reading a remote iso if the caller can use the ringbuffer's methods like we do for libavformat in avfringbuffer.cpp

[21:11:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think GreyFoxx talked about some issues he had with the remote stuff and that's why he was using ?nbd?

[21:13:34]

** iamlindoro wonders if sphery just dumped a new screen on him four days before feature freeze that he has to theme **

[21:13:36]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: One of the packages (libdvdnav?) requires reading raw data from the device as if it were a normal block device.

[21:13:48]

sphery:

iamlindoro: no, there's a default definition :)

[21:13:56]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Not an aceptable answer

[21:13:59]

iamlindoro:

acceptable

[21:14:05]

iamlindoro:

at least , not from me

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** juski laughs **

[21:14:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, couldn't remember which.

[21:14:16]

iamlindoro:

Graphite doesn't fall back to default *anywhere*

[21:14:23]

iamlindoro:

well... *now* it apparently does

[21:14:27]

juski:

there's always a first time :D

[21:14:35]

iamlindoro:

oh, and MythArchive

[21:14:40]

iamlindoro:

and MythMusic

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juski:

iamlindoro: mythmusic?

[21:14:43]

iamlindoro:

but besides those

[21:14:46]

juski:

lol

[21:14:53]

iamlindoro:

okay, it doesn't fall back anywhere that's MythUI'd

[21:15:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, pretty sure Graphite is using default-wide for the Manage Recording Rules scren...

[21:15:10]

iamlindoro:

juski: All the MythUI parts of MythMusic are done :)

[21:15:18]

iamlindoro:

sphery: There's no MythUI for that

[21:15:19]

sphery:

you must have just forgotten to do that one

[21:15:35]

juski:

iamlindoro: you'll be ok

[21:15:38]

iamlindoro:

as in the "edit rule" part?

[21:15:42]

juski:

iamlindoro: call it a bugfix

[21:15:42]

iamlindoro:

no MythUI for that

[21:15:56]

sphery:

iamlindoro: no, the screen I just added :)

[21:16:06]

sphery:

I'm pretending you just forgot it

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** iamlindoro grumbles at sphery **

[21:16:24]

iamlindoro:

son of a bitch

[21:16:40]

iamlindoro:

(the exclamation, not name calling)

[21:16:59]

juski:

iamlindoro: putting a theme edit in for a screen just added would be what I'd call a bugfix

[21:17:26]

iamlindoro:

Here I was thinking Graphite was "done" for the moment

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sphery:

true... that can wait :)

[21:17:48]

iamlindoro:

yes, it can wait, just didn't want to be adding whole screens at this late date

[21:17:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: on the bright side, it's 99% Set Priorities

[21:18:10]

juski:

iamlindoro: so don't. You've enough to do

[21:18:14]

sphery:

just with additional info available (and, I hope, designed to provide non-priority info, too)

[21:18:18]

iamlindoro:

Meh, I'll get to it

[21:18:19]

juski:

themes are never finished anyway. Not ever

[21:18:27]

sphery:

you could always just duplicate your Set Priorities menu

[21:18:31]

sphery:

window

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iamlindoro:

If there's duplication to be had, I'll find it ;)

[21:19:03]

juski:

pity work has been so damn busy this week

[21:19:09]

juski:

get home not feeling like doing much at all

[21:19:29]

juski:

and this, a mere week after laying off the other technician

[21:20:31]

juski:

hrm. just rattling out a new widget in the editor is a recipe for fail

[21:21:10]

juski:

failing to plan.. etc yada yada

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JEDIDIAH__:

any thoughts on rating content during playback Tivo style? It could be a really handy thing.

[21:41:59]

** JEDIDIAH__ is contemplating sorting through 1000+ vaction pics. **

[21:42:21]

JEDIDIAH__:

it would be handy for mythmusic or mythvideo too.

[21:45:19]

gbee:

rating for your own benefit, or for a recommendation system?

[21:47:05]

gbee:

hundreds of people have proposed a Tivo style recommendation system, no-one one has written a patch, nor solved the many problems associated with implementation in a multinational DVR, nor provided the hefty infrastructure that recommendation systems require

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iamlindoro:

Someone turned up earlier this year and said they were willing to pay for development of such a thing, until a) some numbskull offered up some random perl script that offers cobbled together functionality that's not that great and b) he was told that it would need to be all open source and able to run on services.mythtv.org

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iamlindoro:

and just like that, poof!

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CoreDump|Zzz:

god I love apt

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andys:

juski: turns out that the RAM was paired wrong. or at the very least, it didn't like how the RAM was put in

[21:53:45]

andys:

not that I've actually tried TV-out yet – I borrowed a monitor from work instead

[21:57:27]

gbee:

I think someone once offered a $500 bounty, for work that in the real world would probably cost nearer $20,000 (very rough estimate)

[21:58:55]

gbee:

actually, probably considerably more if you factor in the algorithmic complexity of decent recommendation systems

[21:59:03]

jblack_:

once? That's a common thing!

[21:59:25]

gbee:

jblack_: well I don't read the -users list :)

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sphery:

I'm so glad that gbee did all the mythui work he did and I now know how painful it must have been.

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meshe:

sphery: there's a reason i've pretty much stayed away from GUI code in my coding career

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cityLights:

sphery: back

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cityLights:

sorry for the dealy

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, I've been doing my best to

[22:16:48]

cityLights:

my log is missing your last replay

[22:16:50]

cityLights:

!log

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sphery:

cityLights: just wondered if you have a name of a show that's in that data you gave me with an all-hebrew-characters title . My IRC client doesn't have wide-char support, so if you do, please pastebin it. Thanks.

[22:17:59]

cityLights:

ok

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sphery:

will make it easier for me to find the data that causes the problem--and, therefore, easier to find the problem

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cityLights:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1536984

[22:24:42]

cityLights:

I doule check it now

[22:24:55]

sphery:

thanks.

[22:24:58]

sphery:

that will help a lot

[22:25:06]

cityLights:

I see a show that the is that name and it ends with the number 5

[22:25:21]

cityLights:

as it is a weekly show seson 5

[22:25:47]

cityLights:

so this power search should have been orange – its not

[22:25:54]

sphery:

have you tried just using a normal rule to record it--rather than a power search?

[22:26:23]

cityLights:

I think a regular rule works

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cityLights:

let me test it not

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sphery:

OK... A normal rule should work fine.

[22:27:18]

sphery:

if it works and the power search doesn't, it's quite likely that the problem is the one I think we may have

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cityLights:

right

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cityLights:

this works: scheduale / search words / titles / new phrase – put in one hebrew word

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cityLights:

then click on the right show and a new rule is opend , choose weekly record – and all is fine

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cityLights:

but: manage / set priorities / click the rule just created / hit "e" / change the rule to program.title LIKE '%

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cityLights:

and hit test -> you get hits in hebrew

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sphery:

so test shows it, but if you save it it doesn't work?

[22:32:45]

cityLights:

click record and change to weekly -> this rule is never orange

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sphery:

i.e. seems to work until you save?

[22:32:52]

cityLights:

right

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cityLights:

right

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sphery:

if that's the case, it may be fixed in trunk

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cityLights:

sphery: I may soon start to work on mysql , so please tell me what was wrong

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cityLights:

I found this – I want to know why

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cityLights:

another example http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1536999

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cityLights:

can it be fixed in 0.21?

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sphery:

I don't know

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sphery:

but 0.21 isn't long for this world

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cityLights:

0.21 can scan analog channels

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cityLights:

trunk doesnt

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sphery:

when 0.22 is released, I'm sure it will scan analog channels fine

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sphery:

and it probably won't be long

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cityLights:

odd, how come, when I load the frontend – amarok stops playing?

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sphery:

because the frontend disables pulseaudio

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cityLights:

by then I must buy a new tv card

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sphery:

because pulseaudio isn't compatible with Myth

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cityLights:

according to wagnerrp

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cityLights:

and it seems buying a pci card today is wrong – so I must buy a pci-e card

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cityLights:

but my pentium 4 doesnt have that

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cityLights:

so I must upgrade – how sad

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cityLights:

if only someone here could say a usb v4l is good

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keith4_:

can I change the max number of transcode jobs that can run on a backend via mythweb?

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keith4_:

ah, wait. that's not the problem. nevermind!

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sphery:

cityLights: what I'm trying to say is your analog capture card should work find in 0.22 when released

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cityLights:

ok

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cityLights:

well, tell me if you find the cause

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sphery:

I will

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sphery:

and if 0.22 is released before I find anything and you upgrade and it works, please tell me. :)

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cityLights:

sure

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keith4_:

can I prioritize commflagging jobs over transcoding jobs?

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wagnerrp:

what according to me?

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wagnerrp:

ah... i must have said something bad about using a framegrabber

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cityLights:

right

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cityLights:

am I makin the right conclustiong about pci-e

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cityLights:

and probably a dual chanel card

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wagnerrp:

ive not seen a board yet that does not have PCI

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wagnerrp:

and there are only two dual mpeg encoders on the market, and only one of them actually works in linux

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cityLights:

but new boards have few pci slots

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cityLights:

haupega?

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cityLights:

1600?

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cityLights:

hvr-1600

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wagnerrp:

both hauppauge, 500 and 2250

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cityLights:

which works in linux?

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wagnerrp:

are the only two cards with two analog inputs

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wagnerrp:

the 500 is basically two 150s sandwiched together

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cityLights:

ok

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cityLights:

does it offer dvb?

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gbee:

no

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wagnerrp:

ugh... the lcdserver requires qt3support

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wagnerrp:

it is an old out-of-production IVTV card

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cityLights:

I was sure these new pci-e support dvb

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wagnerrp:

the 2250 is a ATSC/QAM/PCIe card

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wagnerrp:

but the two mpeg encoders on that card are not currently supported under linux

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iamlindoro:

He's in israel

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cityLights:

hi Iamlindoro

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cityLights:

right

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iamlindoro:

so no 1600/2250

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wagnerrp:

is there even a DVB version of the 2250

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iamlindoro:

yes, the 2200

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is the 1700 or something

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cityLights:

and that is pci-e

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cityLights:

right

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gbee:

the PVR-500, the last mentioned card before you asked about DVB is an analogue capture card with hardware mpeg encoding, no DVB :)

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is PCI

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wagnerrp:

the PCIe version does not have analog support in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

due to some bug in the linux driver

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cityLights:

look I already bought one card a year ago, without consulting you

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cityLights:

and as I wrote here – it wasnt cheap

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wagnerrp:

and that would be...?

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cityLights:

hvr-1110

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cityLights:

so next time I want to buy a card that really doea it all

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cityLights:

even dvb-c if possible

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cityLights:

now is it will be pci-e – I may plug this hvr-1110 in the free pci slot

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wagnerrp:

the 1100 and 1200 are both framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

and should not be used for analog

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cityLights:

right

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cityLights:

what?

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wagnerrp:

although the 1100 should have been relatively cheap

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wagnerrp:

i mean my 1250 was only $50

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cityLights:

50 euro

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iamlindoro:

So that would be pretty cheap

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cityLights:

and for 70 I could have got the 1300

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** J-e-f-f-A 's 1250 was only about $48 USD too... **

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wagnerrp:

the 1300 seems to have a hardware encoder, suitable for use with analog

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cityLights:

any way, isnt there a dual tuner that work in pci-e ?

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wagnerrp:

whether it works in linux... i have no idea

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cityLights:

1300 – works

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cityLights:

but I do use at least two channels in prime time

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cityLights:

should I wait?

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wagnerrp:

if it works, buy a second

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cityLights:

to see if a linux driver will support the cards you mentioned?

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wagnerrp:

the 2200 has dvb drivers (i assume so since the 2250 does)

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wagnerrp:

but it currently does not support analog

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

and i have not heard any timeline for support for said card

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I definitely need to unexplode my brain after my foray into UI stuff before working on the bug for you. :)

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cityLights:

so I will definatly need to buy a new card after that?

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cityLights:

one card for digital one for analog?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I still think mine is in the RF/SG code, so it's something you know :)

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sphery:

definitely more comfortable there than in the UI

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wagnerrp:

cityLights: you want an mpeg encoder for analog video

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cityLights:

right

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wagnerrp:

if that means you need to keep around an old machine with PCI slots to hold your old hauppauge PVRs, well then thats just what you should do

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cityLights:

sorry, you calim the 500 is the only dual tuner in linux?

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wagnerrp:

it will be easier than trying to dick around with framegrabbers

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iamlindoro:

only dual tuner w/ hardware mpeg encoder that's supported, yes

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cityLights:

o

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wagnerrp:

there might be one or two other nearly identical devices on the ivtv list, but the 500 is the only one i know of, and by far the most common

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cityLights:

are there any dual dvb cards?

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** J-e-f-f-A <3's his 500... ;-) (Until he can afford some HD-PVR's that is... ;-) ) **

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wagnerrp:

plenty

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iamlindoro:

HVR-2200

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wagnerrp:

however with DVB, you have to be careful

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cityLights:

how come?

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wagnerrp:

there is DVB-C, DVB-T, and DVB-S.... you have to make sure you get the right blend

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iamlindoro:

HVR-2200 = Dual DVB-T

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cityLights:

when I say dual I mean record two stations at the same time

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sphery:

and PCIe, right?

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iamlindoro:

yes, PCIe

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cityLights:

yes the 2200 is pcie

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sphery:

yes 2 frequencies at the same time

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cityLights:

hmm

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cityLights:

I see, so this system should be quad core

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cityLights:

as we are considering four sources....

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cityLights:

$$$$

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J-e-f-f-A:

what?

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iamlindoro:

Erm, no

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cityLights:

I assume a dual core can't do two channels at the same time

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iamlindoro:

you don't need big CPU for digital tuners

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iamlindoro:

probably don't even need a fast single core

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cityLights:

really?

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iamlindoro:

really

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cityLights:

didnt know that

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J-e-f-f-A:

yes, really... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

only framegrabbers require CPU

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners just do a stream copy

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cityLights:

so I am looking for a dual amd +mb with at leat one pci-e and one pci

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iamlindoro:

everything else is just dumping an already-encoded stream to the disk

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wagnerrp:

on hardware encoders, all the CPU had to do is again a stream copy

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wagnerrp:

so for everything but framegrabbers, all the CPU has to do is handle some IO

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cityLights:

and well, I will need a nvidia 9400 onboard

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cityLights:

for HD stuff

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wagnerrp:

the backend needs power for transcoding and commflagging

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cityLights:

more then dual?

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J-e-f-f-A:

no you don't...

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wagnerrp:

and you cannot get an onboard 9400 with an AMD processor

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J-e-f-f-A:

(need an nvidia 9400)

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cityLights:

so I need to find an intel with nvidia...

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wagnerrp:

8-series go with AMD boards, 9-series go with Intel boards

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J-e-f-f-A:

A newer nvidia card will help, if you choose to use VDPAU for HD decoding. 8400 and up support VDPAU. But if your cpu is fast, you won't need to use VDPAU.

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cityLights:

hay, but recently I read AMD offered open someting to use their gpu

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wagnerrp:

anything 8-series supports VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

except for the original G80 chip found in the 8800GTX

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, does that image download issue only occur with your patch? If so, where's a link to that?

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wagnerrp:

and the 320MB and 640MB 8800GTs

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cityLights:

does ati offers a similer thing as VDPAU?

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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J-e-f-f-A:

cityLights: It had been rumored – I myself haven't heard the latest though...

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sphery:

oooh... Captain_Murdoch picking up my slack. Nice. I can get dinner, now, then.

[23:47:39]

wagnerrp:

their drivers have listed supporting XvBA for almost a year now

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cityLights:

so I can find a amd motherboard with an onboard nvidia chipset

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cityLights:

right?

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wagnerrp:

but they have never released any documentation on how to use it

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I have seen the switchup in other cases, but this one exacerbates it http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1537062

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wagnerrp:

or really any verification that it actually works

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wagnerrp:

so it is effectively worthless

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cityLights:

wagnerrp: my SO is telling me to step away from the kyb

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, only other time I've managed to trigger it is when my entire library is SG images, and after having cleared the cache--- I'll end up with random wrong imagetypes in wrong assignment

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cityLights:

but I wan to know

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ie the banner imagetype will end up in the coverart, etc.

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cityLights:

is there a mb with an amd socket and on-board nvidia chipset?

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wagnerrp:

'[19:45] <wagnerrp> 8-series go with AMD boards, 9-series go with Intel boards'

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cityLights:

but that is a gfx pci-e card – no?

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cityLights:

this is what I didnt understand

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, ok, I'll take a look around.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Don't *think* it's an image naming issue as the screenshot download (which gets named uniquely) can sometimes end up as the fanart imagetype... leads me to believe that the problem is either in mythvideo's download code, or that I'm somehow confusing the SG imagegroups

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wagnerrp:

the 8200 and 8300 are onboard chips that go with AMD motherboards

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Would be very very appreciated, thanks

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cityLights:

great

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cityLights:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

the 9300 and 9400 are onboard chips that go with Intel motherboards

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wagnerrp:

i think there may be an 8100 as well

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cityLights:

I think I got al I need now

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, you deserve one every once in a while. (dinner)

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cityLights:

thanks sphery

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cityLights:

bye all

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, You'll probably need to be using Graphite to make it most obvious, as it uses two imagetypes at once, and I think most screens in terra only use one

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cityLights:

SO is calling

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I have that installed.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Graphite

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iamlindoro:

cool

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'll be out for most of the evening but will definitely check in when I get back, hopefully I haven't done anything totally boneheaded in the patch :)

[23:53:39]

iamlindoro:

Oh, and obviously you'll need SGs for all the imagetypes installed and SG-hosted video files

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Captain_Murdoch:

if so, we'll definitely make fun of you over it........oops, did I say that...

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

meant to /msg to sphery

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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iamlindoro:

If it's deserved, it's deserved ;)

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sphery:

heh...

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sphery:

now to eat my dinner

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sphery:

thanks for looking at it Captain_Murdoch

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wagnerrp:

i really need to figure out how to use MythLog in the python bindings...

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wagnerrp:

my export is supposed to be writing logs somewhere

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Captain_Murdoch:

yw, /me just waits for his DB upgrade to complete since this is the first time he's run anything today after the nightly DB copy.

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wagnerrp:

but i have no idea where

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