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Monday, August 17th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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Hilikus:

i see

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Hilikus:

is it a known issue though or is it just me?

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kormoc:

it's not an issue I know about

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Hilikus:

so the entry for that show in column duplicate is 0

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Hilikus:

which seems right

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Hilikus:

but it just doesn't record it, and in mythweb it still says that it was recorded and will not be recorded again

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kormoc:

sure there isn't any other entries that are set to 1?

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android6011:

i read if I need to get atsc or clear qam, I don't need a card to have a hardware encoder since its already mpeg2, is this true? i only need hardware encoder for analog?

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kormoc:

yes

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android6011:

kormoc: is that a yes to me?

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kormoc:

yes

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android6011:

ok thanks

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Hilikus:

kormoc: for that same entry?

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kormoc:

Hilikus: for the same programid

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Hilikus:

reactivate=0, generic=0, recstatus=-3

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Hilikus:

does that look normal?

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kormoc:

aye

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Hilikus:

so the table is in the right state to cause the rerecord but the scheduler is just not doing it

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kormoc:

I think if you run mythbackend --print-sched or similar (should be in --help), that might help out

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luwsr:

is this required?

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luwsr:

mysql -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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luwsr:

I am stuck

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iamlindoro:

yes, it's required

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iamlindoro:

can't run myth without creating it's database

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luwsr:

thanks

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android6011:

what do you guys think of this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814100017R

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juski:

probably useless in linux

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juski:

and it only has analogue video capability

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android6011:

ya i figured, and i only need an analog card

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luwsr:

sd hasn't been cut off as claimed. My card still gets SD channels.

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kormoc:

SD was cut off from broadcasting stations, that's it

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kormoc:

and that's all the law required

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kormoc:

your cable company/staalite company/whatever privately owned, non-broadcasting SD sources were never required to give it up

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luwsr:

aha

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luwsr:

time warner

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luwsr:

I had the impression everything would be HD by that deadline.

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kormoc:

Well, it was a mistaken impression

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iamlindoro:

and SD wasn't cut off, just analog

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wagnerrp:

you can broadcast SD all you want

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wagnerrp:

yeah... what iamlindoro said

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thedarkone:

isn't time warner comcast?

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wagnerrp:

and technically, you can still broadcast analog under low power and/or at nighttime

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luwsr:

better for me so I can use a regular monitor. I don't have a second 1080p monitor yet

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: no

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iamlindoro:

luwsr, There's no 1080p broadcast anyway

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luwsr:

I have a friend with a Scientifig Atlanta 2100 box with S-Video out, and a USB port but not firewire.

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kormoc:

Does he have a subscription to HD channels?

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luwsr:

it also has a jack for an ir.

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wagnerrp:

the USB is probably only there as a maintenance interface

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luwsr:

kormoc: not sure. Probably not because his TV is not HD

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kormoc:

then he's not required to have a working firewire port

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luwsr:

can the S-video out be used with Mythtv?

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kormoc:

yes, via a capture card that supports svideo in

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wagnerrp:

with an analog capture card and an IR blaster, yes

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thedarkone:

but isn't firewire port have 5c encryption?

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kormoc:

thedarkone: not always

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wagnerrp:

its up to the broadcaster to decide what channels they want to enable copy protection on

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thedarkone:

i know mine does

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wagnerrp:

cableco, rather

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kormoc:

Broadcast channels are legally required to be not 5C

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wagnerrp:

are they?

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luwsr:

also Time Warner is supposed to provide a box with firewire if requested right?

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wagnerrp:

i know they have to be clearqam

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kormoc:

luwsr: only if you have a subscription to HD channels

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** kormoc starts regurgitating wiki material **

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt think there was any requirement not to be flagged for 5c

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thedarkone:

well i tried local hd it encrypted

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luwsr:

aah sweet

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: local broadcast channels are required to be in the clear

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luwsr:

thedarkone: are you with Time Worner?

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wagnerrp:

of course using your STB for local channels is a waste anyway

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thedarkone:

nope comcast

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thedarkone:

i have a high def box

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kormoc:

So read the wirewire wiki, read the law, call up complain, get it fixed, enjoy

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luwsr:

help!! the directory for the database says is not writable

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kormoc:

how'd you manage that?

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

fun with chown

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luwsr:

chown by whom mythtv or the user?

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kormoc:

don't touch it?

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kormoc:

really, don't change them from the defaults...

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thedarkone:

well i call comcast they are not required to have firewire active

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luwsr:

got it su chgrp mythtv /pub/tv && su chmod g+rw /pub/tv

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wagnerrp:

do you actually have a functional mythtv system?

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kormoc:

thedarkone: then they're lieing

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kormoc:

I'm assuming he doesn't

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luwsr:

I didn't I just mountde the partition read write

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: if you have digital cable, they have to provide you with a STB with functional firewire

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kormoc:

and I guess he's never used linux before

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wagnerrp:

luwsr: your database is not on the same partition as your recordings is it?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he's using the terms wrong

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he's convinced that the database is where the recordings are stored

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luwsr:

oO ok I am confused now

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thedarkone:

well they said they don't offer firewire use

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wagnerrp:

the database is the files mysql uses

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wagnerrp:

and you should never touch them

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luwsr:

it's the place I put where mythtv-setup asked me

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kormoc:

thedarkone: they lied, you have to read the wiki, read the laws, quote back at them, etc

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wagnerrp:

unless you actually know what youre doing

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luwsr:

I did'nt touch none of them

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kormoc:

luwsr: that's the tv storage directory, the database is the mysql server, don't touch that

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thedarkone:

i do that on monday

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luwsr:

so it's allright if I got the message is not writeable?

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kormoc:

no

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wagnerrp:

if you cant write to it, how would you record anything?

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Cyber-Dogg:

kormoc: I've just spent several hours in the ##linux channel

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Cyber-Dogg:

they've had me do all kinds of crazy stuff

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: good for you?

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Cyber-Dogg:

rebuilding stuff all over the place

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Cyber-Dogg:

STILL no sound

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thedarkone:

would premium channels be 5c?

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Cyber-Dogg:

my cable company isn't :-)

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kormoc:

you never pastebinned the full frontend logs with -v most

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kormoc:

thedarkone: depends on the cable co

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Cyber-Dogg:

perhaps I didn't... but the issue is much bigger than myth

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kormoc:

thedarkone: and Comcast is a franchise, so depends on the local franchise

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thedarkone:

i see

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Cyber-Dogg:

speaker-test works from sconsole, but if X is loaded it doesn't

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: i may be wrong, kormoc seems to disagree, but from what i understand, they are not required to offer any channels without 5c encryption

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wagnerrp:

but at the very least, they have to provide an STB with a functional firewire port

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Cyber-Dogg:

I think they are required to offer broadcast channels without encryption

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Cyber-Dogg:

but that's it

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wagnerrp:

you have to transmit them in the clear

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it'd be absurd to require working firewire to access your broadcast channels if they're encrypted...

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wagnerrp:

but i dont think anything says they cant encrypt them once they get to the box

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: sure! for devices that comply with the 5C licensing

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wagnerrp:

stuff that actually talks the protocol, and has paid to confirm they will actually follow the copyonce/copynever rules

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kormoc:

"The defined business models and corresponding copy protection

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kormoc:

caps proposed in the draft rules include:

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kormoc:

(1) Unencrypted broadcast television ? no copy restrictions may be imposed;

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kormoc:

"

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luwsr:

got it

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kormoc:

FCC 03–225 D. Limits on Copy Protection Encoding, section 65.

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's what I thouth too

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wagnerrp:

i certainly dont understand the point of encrypting broadcast channels, when anyone with a qam tuner can just capture them directly

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wagnerrp:

i just thought they sometimes did anyway

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kormoc:

They do, but it's illegal

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gizmobay:

I'm using a pvr150. What stream type should I use? DVD-Special 2

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wagnerrp:

ah

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kormoc:

gizmobay: erm, I always just used mpeg ps I believe

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wagnerrp:

hey! 6 hrs later, gcc has finally finished compiling

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gizmobay:

I'm trying to improve my picture. What should I increase. Avg BitRate 4500 Max BitRate 6000. Sampling rate 48000. Type Layer II. Bit rate 384kbps

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wagnerrp:

i usually bump that up to 6000/8000

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gizmobay:

Thanks

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thedarkone:

i get this when i hit watch tv

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thedarkone:

mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/filters/liblinearblend.so: undefined symbol: please_use_av_malloc

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre running a frontend binary not compiled for the libraries youre using

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thedarkone:

what libraries

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luwsr:

mm.. I am finish with mythtv-setup, which one is next? mythwelcome or mythfrontend or mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: the ones its complaining about

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wagnerrp:

well one of those is unnecessary, and the other should never be run unless you know exactly what it is

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wagnerrp:

you have a one in three chance...

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luwsr:

lol

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** luwsr feels like doing the russion roulette **

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wagnerrp:

reading the docs should help those odds a bit

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thedarkone:

just started doing it

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wagnerrp:

actually... no

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wagnerrp:

youre doomed to failure

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wagnerrp:

NONE of those three apps are the one you want to run next

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thedarkone:

it was running fine till i updated the trunk from 21310 to newest one

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: if you dont know what a library is, you shouldnt be running trunk

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luwsr:

which one is it then?

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kormoc:

the backend

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wagnerrp:

luwsr: the backend does all recording, scheduling, and general management of mythtv

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gizmobay:

I have a dual tuner (ATSC and PVR150). The number 1 tuner is the pvr150. The first time I start LiveTV it naturally goes to the pvr 150. I'm using an IR blaster so it changes the channel to the last chanel viewed but it doesn't pop up any channel info

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wagnerrp:

the frontend is useless without the backend

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thedarkone:

i tring to figure out what libary it is

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gizmobay:

Anyone else seeing this?

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wagnerrp:

and there are large portions of the frontend that will not function at all without the backend

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: obviously something got screwed up with the compile

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wagnerrp:

which is why it is recommended you do a distclean before building a new version

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luwsr:

got it

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luwsr:

now is mythfrontend

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luwsr:

:)

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thedarkone:

i did wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: well then youre running on a system with even deeper problems

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wagnerrp:

run a 'make uninstall' before compiling next time

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wagnerrp:

because you seem to have compiled the new binaries against your old library header files

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wagnerrp:

rather, linked them against the old libraries

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luwsr:

EPIC FAIL! :(

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** luwsr starts tvtime **

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iamlindoro:

News flash: We don't want to hear about what's going on on your screen, in your life, as a part of your install, or in any way about your setup or install experience

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iamlindoro:

we're not interested in what command line you execute, or what shortcuts you invoke

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thedarkone:

i think i wacked this box

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luwsr:

I am out

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nighthawk:

whats the lowest end gpu that works well with advanced 2x deint on 1080?

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** kormoc waves to luwsr **

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kormoc:

enjoy your tvtime filled future

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wagnerrp:

nighthawk: 9500 or so

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nighthawk:

right now I've got an 8300 IGP

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nighthawk:

is it worthwhile to upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether you care to use vdpau

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wagnerrp:

probably, whatever chip you have on an 8300IGP is capable of handling everything short of bluray

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wagnerrp:

which is going to be progressive anyway

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nighthawk:

4850e cpu, so vdpau is needed I think

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nighthawk:

I believe 8300 does the vc-1 that blueray requries, but that is moot as no blueray in linux as far as I know

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wagnerrp:

all VDPAU capable hardware does VC1

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wagnerrp:

from what i understand, bluray is about half-and-half vc1 and h264

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nighthawk:

so then what do you mean by everything short of bluray?

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wagnerrp:

with a smattering of mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

hddvd is almost entirely vc1

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nighthawk:

the 8300 is supposed to be roughly close to the g98 from what I've gathered

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nighthawk:

it is designated a c77 core

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wagnerrp:

all VDPAU chips can decode all of the same content

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wagnerrp:

some just have more power for deinterlacing

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nighthawk:

ok, I see

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nighthawk:

it seems this 8300 doesn't have as much power as I thought though

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wagnerrp:

and that 4850 will decode anything you come across except h264/vc1 bluray/hddvd, and hdpvr recordings

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wagnerrp:

if the ffmpeg-mt stuff ever comes through (maybe before 0.23), the 4850 will handle hdpvr recordings as well

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nighthawk:

so maybe I'm better off not using vdpau for 1080i tv?

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nighthawk:

I found a thread that indicates the 8400gs outperforms the 8300 a lot :(

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nighthawk:

had I found that before my purchasing it would have changed my decisions, oh well

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I have download channel icons greyed out in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

anyone recall why?

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iamlindoro:

you know why, you man, and you're not getting any supper until you apologize

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** kormoc sulks away to his room **

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iamlindoro:

In all honesty, I have only used the UI one once

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iamlindoro:

usually just prefer to use the perl script

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kormoc:

yeah, there's nothing at all in the logs on feedback why it'd be disabled

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iamlindoro:

gbee would know

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iamlindoro:

I know I've managed to use it in the past month or so

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iamlindoro:

but only to theme it

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iamlindoro:

importIconButton->SetEnabled(SourceUtil::IsAnySourceScanable());

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iamlindoro:

That's your problem

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iamlindoro:

you have no scannable sources

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kormoc:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

which seems like an odd reason to disable it

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iamlindoro:

can probably just change to importIconButton->SetEnabled(true);

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iamlindoro:

(locally)

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kormoc:

heh

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iamlindoro:

sorry, that's in channeleditor.cpp

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kormoc:

yeah, or I can just setup the firewire capture card again

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iamlindoro:

programs/mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

or that

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iamlindoro:

nice, Mark accepted the windows backend patches

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

that didn't do the trick

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iamlindoro:

don't think firewire counts as a scannable source

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kormoc:

hrm, that's kinda sucky

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kormoc:

oh well

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iamlindoro:

could just do the above, should be a lightning quick compile if you've got ccache going

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iamlindoro:

or there's always the perl script

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, what do you think about this schema? http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/videofile.schema I'm wondering if there should be an intermediate table between the video metadata and the videofiles themselves, so eventually you could have a video with multiple files rather than using the 'childid'.

[02:52:22]

wagnerrp:

nighthawk: the problem is... the 8400 does not come as an onboard chipset

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: yeah, it just kinda sucks when it gives a list of 5 icons and asks which one is the correct one

[02:52:25]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Reading

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wagnerrp:

and hdmi audio only works with the onboard chipsets

[02:52:49]

kormoc:

(Or in this case, 511 icons)

[02:52:50]

wagnerrp:

so youre kind of stuck in a hole

[02:52:58]

wagnerrp:

you either get one thing or the other

[02:53:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I'm thinking that it's better to keep title/subtitle out of the file table itself since it would mean we'd have to update that in multiple places or store multiple times for recordings with multiple files.

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android6011:

if i have an old direct tv satellite dish that was on my house when I got it, is there any use for it as far as mythtv is concerned? are there free satellite stations? could it possibly be used to pick up atsc stations? i assume no on that one

[02:54:40]

android6011:

from what i can tell, there are 2 coax lines coming from it

[02:55:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

won't do much good with Myth unless you get a DirectTV receiver and subcribe to service.

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, couldnt you just run the spidf cable from mb to video card to get audio over hdmi on a dedicated card or is that only certain cards

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: only certain cards have that, and then youre limited to SPDIF

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wagnerrp:

which is far less capable than HDMI

[02:56:17]

Shadow__X:

ah ok

[02:57:20]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I like it a lot, and it has the advantage of requiring relatively few code changes in mythvideo to make work, too

[02:57:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I don't see any reason we can't have cutlists or bookmarks for MythVideo files, that's why I moved those into videofile.

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android6011:

then what is the FTA Satellite i read about? hows that work?

[02:58:03]

wagnerrp:

android6011: where do you live?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, think we already can do both in videomarkup anyway, no?

[02:58:09]

android6011:

usa

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Captain_Murdoch:

cuts out a lot of "if (isVideo)" in programinfo, other changes are fairly minor. a ProgramInfo would have a fileID which would tell us which file we were dealing with.

[02:58:19]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Not that it wouldn't be nice to unify that too

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wagnerrp:

unencrypted satellite in the US is rather lacking

[02:58:37]

wagnerrp:

sure, there are a lot of stations

[02:58:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

videomarkup needs to be changed to get rid of the filename though and split out markup info from seektable info like recordedseek vs recordedmarkup.

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wagnerrp:

but its primarily stuff like religious channels, shopping, a couple educational channels, and the NASA feed

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android6011:

wagnerrp: what would be involved in watching those channels? point the old dish in the right direction then what, do i need a certain capture card?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Sure, and the more complicated these tables become over time, the more of a pain in the ass it is to update two versions of everything

[02:59:47]

wagnerrp:

a big ugly dish and (i believe) a dvb-s card

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wagnerrp:

im talking a 2-meter dish, not one of those little 18-inch directtv jobs

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android6011:

oh

[03:00:20]

android6011:

why cant you use a small one?

[03:00:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah. if we're using ProgramInfo to represent both tv and video then they should share the same tables wherever possible.

[03:00:27]

wagnerrp:

gain

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, absolutely

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kormoc:

android6011: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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wagnerrp:

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

[03:01:05]

android6011:

thanks

[03:01:12]

wagnerrp:

forgot about all the international channels

[03:01:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, do you know if Daniel was thinking of refactoring ProgramInfo into libmyth before or after 0.22?

[03:01:46]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, He mentioned it yesterday or the day before, but I'm not sure if he thought it would be before .22

[03:02:14]

thedarkone:

would someone use a motorized dish to do freetv?

[03:02:52]

wagnerrp:

what are the tuning timeouts for external channel changers?

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iamlindoro:

One could, if one didn't care about watching anything with even a modicum of quality

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thedarkone:

i see

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Someone brought that same thing up lately-- 6 or 7 seconds hardcoded, if I remember right

[03:04:22]

wagnerrp:

chances are youre not going to find a motor that could spin the dish around, and line up properly within that time frame

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thedarkone:

would be better to get a paid one and a external box

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, abqjp has some patches in that change the external tuning behavior that would allow that kind of thing to be a *bit* more flexible, but don't think they go as far as a user-set timeout

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, see #mythtv :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

typing a message now. :)

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thedarkone:

i still getting that error wagnerrp

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thedarkone:

even with make unstall and distclean

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thedarkone:

i guess my pc don't like linerblend

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thedarkone:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I'm toying w/ the idea of a (unbound by default) MythVideo statistics popup

[03:24:07]

iamlindoro:

"X movies, with a total length of y minutes," "234 episodes of television in 15 shows" "43% comedy, 30% Adventure," etc.

[03:24:14]

thedarkone:

cool

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android6011:

ya i like that idea to

[03:32:24]

tzanger:

has anyone in here used myth's 1394 implementation with Rogers Cable (in Ontario, Canada) ?

[03:32:34]

tzanger:

there are some reports on the wiki but they're fairly old

[03:32:56]

iamlindoro:

Must have been six hours, there's that question again

[03:33:07]

kormoc:

it's been asked every few hours for days

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slacker-:

oh dear, ocr for subtitles really does suck badly

[03:33:30]

iamlindoro:

tzanger, There's nothing specific to any one cable provider in terms of firewire... moreover, the same provider can act differently even within the same city

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wagnerrp:

slacker-: sadly, thats the only way

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tzanger:

iamlindoro: hmm

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wagnerrp:

slacker-: luckily, movies tend to use one font for the whole film

[03:33:58]

tzanger:

iamlindoro: I figured the SA* boxes would be programmed differently from provider to provider (i.e. in terms of what is allowed through firewire)

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wagnerrp:

so once you train the software on each character once, youre pretty much done

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slacker-:

wagnerrp: which one do you use?

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iamlindoro:

tzanger, The box doesn't contain what's allowed via firewire

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thedarkone:

is nvidia 180 drivers any good for opengl?

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slacker-:

I've tried tesseract and gorc and I'm unhappy with both

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iamlindoro:

tzanger, That's set in the stream at the headend, and will vary even on the same channel, even within the same day

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wagnerrp:

slacker-: SubRip

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slacker-:

gocr that is

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tzanger:

iamlindoro: Ahh. I am not new to myth, but new to the idea of firewire-connected cable boxes

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slacker-:

oh, that's windows, isn't it?

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slacker-:

I saw that on doom9.net the other day I think

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my windows box is my most powerful (and the only one on my desk), so thats what i use for ripping

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wagnerrp:

SubRip is the original standard for softsubs (.srt file)

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tzanger:

ideally I'd like a damned PCI/PCIe/USB2 adapter that I could just pull down satellite with a legit card, but north american providers are rather against that

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slacker-:

hm, freeware

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thedarkone:

well if your in canada yeah north american would be

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tzanger:

thedarkone: I'm not aware of any US or Canadian satellite provder who will sell you service and a card and let you plug it in to any receiver you want

[03:39:38]

thedarkone:

well there is one

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slacker-:

How hard can it be to port it to linux ...

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iamlindoro:

freeware != Open Source

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thedarkone:

yeap

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slacker-:

i've got the source

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iamlindoro:

let us know when you're done

[03:40:30]

slacker-:

sure

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thedarkone:

well dtv offers one called wide open

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slacker-:

maybe I'll just have a look at the gocr sources and make it a bit more picky

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sphery:

too bad I left when I left... could have told gunni_ that the only reason his PulseAudio-wrapped-with-ALSA setup was working and without A/V sync issues is because compiling Myth with PulseAudio support adds support for Myth to disable the Pulse sound server when Myth is using sound, so he's actually using ALSA directly and Pulse is off when he's using Myth sound.

[03:42:27]

sphery:

And compiling Myth without PulseAudio support simply means Myth refuses to start up if the PulseAudio server is running.

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sphery:

So, by enabling Pulse support, you're truly enabling Pulse-stopping support

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wagnerrp:

he claimed he was using alsa... alsa was set up to forward to pulseaudio, which the forwarded back to ALSA in some cyclic CF

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sphery:

and by not enabling it, you're making Myth refuse to run when Pulse is running.

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tzanger:

sphery: lol

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but no matter what device you specify in Myth, if the Pulse sound server is running, Myth tells it to stop when sound is working (unless you don't compile with pulse support--in which case mythfrontend won't start when Pulse is running)

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sphery:

so, no matter what anyone says, they are not using pulse with Myth (unless, of course, they change the code)

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slacker-:

Hm, I don't think SubRip is much smarter than gocr

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slacker-:

gocr+ispell I mean

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice edit metadata screen... now for the mythtv one... :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, PBB, you mean?

[04:22:20]

sphery:

yeah, you've got the mythvideo one, so now we need one to edit all the programinfo for recordings

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

wherever makes sense to put it works for me... I just want the editor. :)

[04:22:44]

iamlindoro:

I had that patch done a while back

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iamlindoro:

but let it rot

[04:24:17]

iamlindoro:

minimally, I need to get the default theme stuff converted to use the new edit fields... then maybe I'll have a look at the PBB one again

[04:24:23]

iamlindoro:

but it's kinda low on the list

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sphery:

yeah... really if we just had title/subtitle/description instead of just title/subtitle, we'd be a lot better than now.

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iamlindoro:

maybe I'll reconsider if you start using that commit access of yours ;)

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sphery:

I may even add that one (of course, it will require messing around with adding multiline textedit support)

[04:28:44]

sphery:

heh... tomorrow, I'm thinking

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iamlindoro:

gbee confirmed to me earlier that he would have multiline done for .22

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

he also knows that I said I might try to do it if he doesn't get it done first

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** iamlindoro wonders if parental controls need any attention for this release **

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iamlindoro:

meh, nothing fun in there

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Captain_Murdoch:

encyclopediasphery, do you know if MSqlQuery supporting using the same binding twice? ie, like referencing :CHANID twice in a statement.

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/supporting/supports/

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: TTBOMK, Qt and/or Qt-MySQL doesn't

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, that sucks. no biggie and easy to fix if it turns out it does.

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Captain_Murdoch:

just was trying to optimize something in a patch.

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess I can test, but that'd take actual time. :)

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sphery:

no mention in the docs for QSqlQuery, but I'm pretty sure that it won't replace the value 2x... Might allow it if you do 2 query.bindValue(":CHANID", "value"); calls...

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'm thinking it won't for some reason I think I remember a thread on the mailing list about it, but am not going to spend a bunch of time searching for it.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and the recent thing with text fields was that they can't take a default but actually default to empty?

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sphery:

right--text and blob can't specify a default value in CREATE TABLE

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Mr_Grieves|:

Hi, does anyone know where the sound settings are in trunk?

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wagnerrp:

should be the same place they were in 0.21

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iamlindoro:

the same place they are in .21

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sphery:

same as in previous versions

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Mr_Grieves|:

Hrm, General or Playback under TV Settings, I though...

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wagnerrp:

can we get a fourth opinion?

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sphery:

main General and TV playback for a couple places

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sphery:

don't think it's Playback General

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iamlindoro:

Util/Setup->Setup->General

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sphery:

yay! main general

[05:04:50]

iamlindoro:

as ever

[05:04:51]

sphery:

not TV general

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mecheng:

I am thinking of starting a myth-tv PVR but I still have some questions after reading the wiki and faq.

[05:05:13]

Mr_Grieves|:

Ah, I'm stupid — thanks for the help :)

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mecheng:

Can someone tell me why I need a frontend? Why can't I run a video cable from the server to the tv?

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sphery:

frontend is a program

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sphery:

can be on any host you like--even the same one running the backend

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sphery:

(which is another different program)

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mecheng:

okay I understand that from the faq and stuff but I don't understand the benefit of 2 boxes.

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mecheng:

other than the use of the remote.

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wagnerrp:

two boxes?

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iamlindoro:

Myth does require two boxes, it merely makes it available as an option

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wagnerrp:

like two separate boxes running mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

most simple setups are all on one system

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mchou:

you can use frontends anywhere on your lan

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sphery:

and iamlindoro meant does /not/ require 2 boxes

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iamlindoro:

right, that :)

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mecheng:

ah okay.

[05:11:22]

wagnerrp:

the backend houses all the hard drives and tuners

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iamlindoro:

of all the words to miss...

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wagnerrp:

meaning each frontend can be relatively simple

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wagnerrp:

and you can have as many as your network and disks can reasonably support

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mecheng:

I have a noisy IBM eserver xeon 3.06 with raid. If it is in a different room do I need a remote to communicate with the server if I don't have a seperat frontend?

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sphery:

remotes are for the frontend (program)

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wagnerrp:

you need a remote on the machine running the frontend

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sphery:

IR transmitters or IR blasters are for the backend (program)

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mecheng:

but what if I want it all on one box can the one box be the server in the other room?

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wagnerrp:

if you run wires through the wall/floor... yes

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mecheng:

wires are no problem

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mecheng:

then back to the remote question...

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mecheng:

If the frontend and the backend run on the server.

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iamlindoro:

... then the IR receiver would be one of the things you would run through the wall to the TV

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mecheng:

ah ok. So then I need a IR reciever usb or something like that.

[05:16:54]

iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

you need the receiver attached to the machine running the frontend, and placed in such a location that you can point a remote at it

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wagnerrp:

however you intend to do that is up to you

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sphery:

unless you have an RF remote, but there aren't many and they have downsides

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mecheng:

Nice so I would run Video, sound, and IR reciever wires.

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sphery:

(i.e. the more people(=antennae) in the viewing room, the less reliable the RF signal)

[05:18:26]

wagnerrp:

or a bluetooth one

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wagnerrp:

i believe there is a plugin for the PS3 remote

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sphery:

yeah, bluetooth wouldn't be too bad with a good rechargeable battery

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iamlindoro:

FlashForward looks like it's going to be good

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iamlindoro:

Too bad it's on ABC

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wagnerrp:

i know ive used my controllers through several walls

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how well the remote works

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mecheng:

okay last one. Can the Digital tuners like the nova's do ntsc as well?

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wagnerrp:

you would NEVER use a nova-t in an area with NTSC broadcasts

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iamlindoro:

Since you are in the US, no Nova model will work for our TV format

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iamlindoro:

digital or analog

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mecheng:

hmm okay.

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mecheng:

Best reccomendation for a starter card then?

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mecheng:

I only have PCI-X slots in the server.

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iamlindoro:

Then something USB

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wagnerrp:

so PCI cards it is...

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iamlindoro:

because PCI-X is useless

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wagnerrp:

or something USB or network attached

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wagnerrp:

PCI-X slots are usually compatible with PCI cards

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mecheng:

yes

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mecheng:

pci will work

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mecheng:

or usb

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you hope to capture

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wagnerrp:

if you want analog, you want an IVTV card (ivtvdriver.org)

[05:23:32]

iamlindoro:

and hopefully you have a realistic idea of what you can capture digitally, etc.

[05:23:56]

iamlindoro:

However, since you are in CA, there's a fair chance analog is useless to you, depending on where you live

[05:24:07]

mecheng:

california

[05:24:10]

mecheng:

not canada

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iamlindoro:

Meaning you an capture limited channels with a digital tuner, or use something to capture frmo a cable box

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iamlindoro:

I am aware of that ;)

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mecheng:

everybody misses that one.

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iamlindoro:

what with comcast not being in canada and all...

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wagnerrp:

go to silicondust.com... they will have a lineup of what channels you can expect to get unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

over broadcast or cable

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wagnerrp:

(digital channels)

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wagnerrp:

you may get more over firewire capture from an STB

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mecheng:

hmm I looked on http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGri . . . pId=PC:95492

[05:26:07]

wagnerrp:

but theres no real information on that, you just have to try it

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wagnerrp:

other than that, youre going to have to capture analog off the STB with an IVTV card or HDPVR

[05:26:36]

iamlindoro:

That's listings, not what you can expect to get from digital capture

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iamlindoro:

You will get a small portion of that with a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

the lineup on silicondust will show you what you can expect with a digital tuner

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mecheng:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_518824

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iamlindoro:

which is to say, the basic cable channels, with the locals in HD and everything else SD

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mecheng:

okay. that is OTA from an Antenna correct?

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scan is now known as scan_away

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iamlindoro:

Look at the pulldown at the top

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mecheng:

ah nice

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iamlindoro:

The long and the short of it is, don't expect any HD past the locals, and don't expect any SD that's not in the basic lineup

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iamlindoro:

because you won't get either with just a tuner

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iamlindoro:

and no premiums

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mecheng:

okay so does that require the comcast box to be hooked up to the server?

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Mr_Grieves|:

I hate to be a bother, but I can't figure out how to set up sound. I think my problem is that I'm trying to use the second card (CARD=1) for my output, and myth is trying to use CARD=0

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iamlindoro:

For what is listed at the site, you need a digital tuner only. For anything beyond that, you will require a cable box and capture device

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Mr_Grieves|:

My settings: Audio Output Device: ALSA:spdif Passthrough: ALSA:IEC958{AES0 0x02}

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Mr_Grieves|:

I've tried changing the first to Audio Output Device: ALSA:spdif:CARD=1,DEV=0 but no luck there.

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mecheng:

any suggestions on the cards then?

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iamlindoro:

any well supported linux digital tuner. HDHomeRun, HVR-1250, pcHDTV HD-550, Pinnacle 800i, etc.

[05:33:39]

iamlindoro:

er HD-5500

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Mr_Grieves|:

I know this card works. It was working yesterday when the box had gentoo on it.

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Mr_Grieves|:

Now with arch it's not wanting to work. I think the gentoo install didn't recognize the mobo sound chip...

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mecheng:

okay kick ars thanks for the help. Thanks for dealing with the newbie questions too.

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rhce_v3:

anyone ever the the following in mythweb when trying to view the status page?

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rhce_v3:

"Error at /usr/share/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 29:"

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rhce_v3:

"file_get_contents(http://172.16.0.6:6509) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: Connection refused "

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rhce_v3:

"Error at /usr/share/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/default/header.php, line 16:"

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rhce_v3:

"Cannot modify header information – headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/mythweb/includes/errors.php:117)"

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rhce_v3:

I'm running FC10.

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rhce_v3:

Only the backend status pages gives me this issue.

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strex:

So all of my recordings are starting/ending early. ntp runs nightly and is current. Any Ideas?

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sphery:

rhce_v3: try hitting the status page directly: http://172.16.0.6:6509/ . If you get nothing, you've misconfigured your backend settings and need to fix them through mythtv-setup. (Note, also, you've messed with the HTTP status port settings as you're not using the default, 6544. Unless there's a /very/ good reason not to use 6544, you probably shouldn't be messing with those as no one really does/it's almost never tested ...

[06:09:46]

sphery:

... that way.)

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sphery:

Mr_Grieves would be best off just getting rid of his 2nd sound card (i.e. disabling the integrated audio he's not using through the BIOS, or whatever), but I can't tell him that.

[06:11:12]

rhce_v3:

Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:6509.

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sphery:

Of course, if there's a reason he can't, he could always read up on everything-he-never-wanted-to-know-about-ALSA and learn to configure ALSA.

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sphery:

rhce_v3: mythtv-setup --I'd guess you need to change your backend status port to 6544

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rhce_v3:

sphery: Where in myth-setup is this set?

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rhce_v3:

setup seems to think the status port is 6544 already

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rhce_v3:

sphery: Got the status page back1 Thanks. :) mythweb seems to be using a lot of CPU for some reason.

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rhce_v3:

My last nusance issue with mythweb is that I am not seeing pictures next to the recorded programs in mythweb like I used to. Does anyone know what setting(s) control that?

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kormoc:

it's the show pixmap setting

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juski:

arghh. Shouldn't have stayed up til stupid o'clock this morning

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guysoft42:

juski, ah, right, sorry, wrong tab

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juski:

guysoft42: if you're not getting a lock in mythtv try increasing the timeout value

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guysoft42:

juski, in what menu is that done?

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juski:

in mythtv-setup, tuner cards I think

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guysoft42:

juski, also, it does work on my other computer, i could copy settings if needed

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guysoft42:

ok

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juski:

maybe input connections. it's there somewhere

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guysoft42:

juski, still no lock

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guysoft42:

juski, you were right the first time, its in the tuner card

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guysoft42:

juski, could it be anything else? i am getting strange dmesg calls, maybe its connected

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guysoft42:

29632.596214] ec100_set_frontend: freq:514166670 bw:0

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guysoft42:

... i got a lot of those

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juski:

you having problems getting a lock during scanning or just what we call 'live tv' ?

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guysoft42:

juski, no, scanning works well

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guysoft42:

but at live tv it fails, although it works on vlc

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guysoft42:

and it works on mythtv on the other computer

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juski:

so it's obviously a configuration or a driver issue

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juski:

are both computers running the same distro/kernel ?

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juski:

you could compare settings between the working/non-working machines

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juski:

select * from capturecard;

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juski:

select * from cardinput;

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guysoft42:

juski, just a sec ill try

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guysoft42:

cardid videodevice audiodevice vbidevice cardtype defaultinput audioratelimit hostname dvb_swfilter dvb_sat_type dvb_wait_for_seqstart skipbtaudio dvb_on_demand dvb_diseqc_type firewire_port firewire_node firewire_speed firewire_model firewire_connection dbox2_port dbox2_httpport dbox2_host signal_timeout channel_timeout dvb_tuning_delay contrast brightness colour hue diseqcid dvb_eitscan

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guysoft42:

Edit Delete 2 0 DVB DVBInput NULL Golem2 0 0 1 0 0 NULL 0 2 0 NULL 0 31338 80 NULL 2000 4000 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

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guysoft42:

Edit Delete 3 0 NULL NULL DVB DVBInput NULL Golem2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 NULL 0 31338 80 NULL 2000 4000 0 0 0 0 0 0 1

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guysoft42:

.. thats the first one

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juski:

use a pastebin ffs

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Dagmar:

Let's not do that again

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guysoft42:

justdave, ok

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juski:

put them both in the same pastebin if you must

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guysoft42:

juski, looks abit messed up http://pastebin.com/mc98e72

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guysoft42:

juski, what are you looking for in there?

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juski:

you missed the point

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guysoft42:

juski, what?

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juski:

the aim there was to *compare* settings between the working machine & the one which isn't working

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juski:

sigh

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guysoft42:

ah.. so just s sec

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juski:

you could just as easily compare mythtv-setup screens of both

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juski:

*yourself*

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juski:

it's a no-brainer if something works on one machine but not another – assuming both are running the *same* software (same revision/version/distro/kernel)

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guysoft42:

juski, ok in FROM capturecard only the timout i changes was diffrent

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guysoft42:

let me see the other table

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guysoft42:

well not the same kernel

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guysoft42:

one is 2.6.30 and the non-working is 2.6.26

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guysoft42:

juski, compared both tables, apart from the timeout i increased they are the same.. do you think it could be the kernel?

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guysoft42:

juski, i can upgrade the kernel, its a pain but possible, you think it might help?

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juski:

same version of mythtv on both? if so then the kernel is the only variable

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gbee:

so bluray on linux requires a drive which accepts a particular firmware update? Noticing that the price of drives has tumbled and I'm starting to consider getting one

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janneg:

bah, I remember now why I don't like backporting to -fixes, qmake is so fragile, that it starts to run the qt4 version

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juski:

gawd, having to draw cable looms in autocad. I'd rather be hacking on xml

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AndyCap:

juski: sure autocad can't import xml? :P

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juski:

I mean I have to do *work* :P

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Essobi:

Morning all.

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swerve:

nuvexport takes an outrageous amount of time – 8 hrs. to transcode a 20 minute vid??

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swerve:

why so long?

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wagnerrp:

what type of recording is it?

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wagnerrp:

and what are you transcoding to?

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swerve:

direct from myth — is that mpeg?

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wagnerrp:

depends on your tuner

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wagnerrp:

but more specifically, is it SD mjpeg, SD mpeg4, SD mpeg2, HD mpeg2, HD h264

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wagnerrp:

what are you transcoding to? xvid? h264? SD or HD?

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swerve:

lol – how do i tell? it's a pvr-150 card

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wagnerrp:

in that case, you have a very old computer, or something is wrong

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swerve:

xvid

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swerve:

q6600?

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swerve:

4gb ram

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wagnerrp:

xvid is single threaded (last i checked), so quad core wont do you much good

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wagnerrp:

however a 2.4GHz C2 should do xvid at several times realtime

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swerve:

i can transcode the same video in avidemux in about 20 minutes, 2-pass

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wagnerrp:

even if youre doing two pass, you should finish well under 20 minutes

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swerve:

well to be fair, i am avidemuxing at the same time as the nuvexport is running

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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swerve:

so yeah, normally under 20 mins.

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swerve:

hmm, this video conversion stuff is confusing

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wagnerrp:

xvid is single threaded, so you could be running four at once

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swerve:

i se

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swerve:

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wagnerrp:

aside from some memory/cache limitations that would slow you down a bit

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swerve:

what about filters like deinterlacing and cropping, etc.?

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swerve:

do those add significant time?

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wagnerrp:

cropping is very fast, deinterlacing might add another couple minutes to the time

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swerve:

nuvexport says 1.397 fps, wth?

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swerve:

avidemux is doing 74, still maybe 1/2 what i might expect

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dannyboy:

hello, i would like to know if there's a way to bypass mpeg-2 encoding on hauppauge pvr cards?

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wagnerrp:

dannyboy: sure.... why would you want to?

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dannyboy:

gaming

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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dannyboy:

i don't want the 2–3 second lag

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wagnerrp:

the 2–3 second lag is a function of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with the card

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wagnerrp:

the card doesnt have enough onboard memory to make anything like a 2–3 second lag

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dannyboy:

hm. then is there a way to disable mythtv from doing that?

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wagnerrp:

dannyboy: its a function of mythtv being a PVR

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wagnerrp:

all PVRs have a couple second lag off realtime

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sphery:

though there is at least a 1s lag due to the card's buffers

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wagnerrp:

sphery: there is that much?

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GreyFoxx:

The card does have a 1s lag

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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juski:

now there you see, is the ONE use for framegrabber crds

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wagnerrp:

is that the time between keyframes or something?

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sphery:

dannyboy: you'll need a non-PVR app, like wagnerrp mentioned

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jams:

yes there is

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sphery:

dannyboy: and a frame grabber instead of an encoder

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GreyFoxx:

If you bypass the encoder and grab the raw frames you get live

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dannyboy:

sphery: such as?

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juski:

you need a non-pvr app, and a non-encoding tuner card

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juski:

tvtime

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sphery:

dannyboy: and even then, you'll be delayed enough that playing certain games is certain death

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wagnerrp:

dannyboy: are you trying to play a game console on your desktop or something?

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dannyboy:

yes

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juski:

emulate it then

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sphery:

hit the input button on your remote

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sphery:

play direct through the TV

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GreyFoxx:

dannyboy: To be very honest if you want to game through the system you should pick up a cheap frame grabber, configure up xawtv to use it and add that as a menu option to your box. Leave it out of myth other than the menu option to call xawtv

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sphery:

(even some HDTV's have enough of a lag in processing the HDTV picture that games can be virtually unplayable)

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juski:

or just get a better TV

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wagnerrp:

anyway, youre still going to have some amount of lag on a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

well under a second

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juski:

1 frame or so

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wagnerrp:

but depending on the game.... like sphery said, it will be unplayable

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johoja:

hey anyone here using oss4 with myth?

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sphery:

right, the frame grabber is /much/ less delay than the encoder

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sphery:

johoja: we don't really have proper OSS4 support in Myth, but we'd /love/ to have it... patches greatly appreciated!

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wagnerrp:

youre probably looking at high tens of seconds between output on the console to output on your monitor

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sphery:

johoja: we just have the old OSS support for the in-kernel OSS (garbage)

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dannyboy:

i'll check that out...but i've still heard that in windows, hauppauge cards can have a registry value set such that the card just does raw passthrough. it's something like live preview.

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juski:

oss4 emulates alsa doesn't it?

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sphery:

johoja: though you can use that with OSS4, you can't use any of the interesting/advanced stuff in sound cards

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juski:

dannyboy: either way, even if you could you'd have to tell mythtv not to use the tuner

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GreyFoxx:

dannyboy: You can access the raw frames on a pvr card under linux, but it's in no way supported by myth

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wagnerrp:

dannyboy: if you look in /dev, you will find several video[0–9]* nodes

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wagnerrp:

one of them is the framegrabber... i dont recall which

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GreyFoxx:

and myth doesn;t have a "raw mode" to not do the standard reecording stuff no matter what kind of card

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wagnerrp:

remember, mythtv is designed with separate frontend and backend

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wagnerrp:

the frontend simply does not have the access to the card to do a raw mode

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wagnerrp:

EVERYTHING must be encoded, and sent over the network, even if it is just the loopback interface

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juski:

wagnerrp: that's mostly cos 100Mb ethernet doesn't have the bandwidth for uncompressed SDTV video

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juski:

;-)

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juski:

720 x 576 x 25FPS x 32bits ==

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GreyFoxx:

1 milllllllion dollars!

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sphery:

even if you just do 12bit color, it's still a /lot/ of bits

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janneg:

you want's to save raw video in rgba?

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sphery:

and even if you have yucky NTSC (720x480) :)

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juski:

just demonstrating a point janneg . like sphery says the bit depth doesn't matter. too much is still too much

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johoja:

sphery, so i won't be able to do passthrough?

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johoja:

if i use oss4?

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janneg:

sphery: that's compensated by the higher framerate

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jams:

johoja- pass through works fine

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johoja:

i see.

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sphery:

johoja: no pass through with OSS

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sphery:

unless OSS4 has an ALSA compatibility mode

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jams:

you would need to set the device to the digital device.

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sphery:

(like ALSA has an (in-kernel) OSS compatibility mode)

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sphery:

jams: he's using OSS4

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jams:

so am i

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jams:

guess it doesn't work for TV, but works for dvd's

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sphery:

Oh, cool

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johoja:

jams, so how do you go about setting it up?

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sphery:

The best would be nice OSS4 support

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jams:

might work for TV, but all my recordings are SD, so can't be for sure.

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sphery:

if it works for DVD's with Internal player, it probably works for TV

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johoja:

jams, can i pm u?

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jams:

johoja- there isn't much to setup. Install it and then set the output device to the correct /dev/dsp

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jams:

ossinfo will tell you the correct dsp to use

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johoja:

so i odn't need to do any alsa emulation type stuff?

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johoja:

just point it to the oss device?

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jams:

and osstest will play test sounds so you can identify devices

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jams:

correct

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johoja:

k

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jams:

there is alsa emulation, but never used it and don't plan on it.

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sphery:

jams: thanks for the info... I didn't realize you got a /dev/dsp* for passthrough

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sphery:

wonder how they deal with IEC958 status bits...

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sphery:

but, regardless, it's good to know it works

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jams:

the dsp names are not the preferred names as they can move around when cards are added/removed. But there are there for legacy apps.

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jams:

but if you don't change the cards around the names will not change.

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Hoxzer:

Oke.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: In testing SG's for Jamu I realized that MythVideo is looking for fanart graphics per TV season. This even though TVDB only has fan art at the series level, This means that there are many duplicate fan art files being downloaded and stored. Is this done to support a future enhancement of random fan art graphics for a Movie or TV series?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

And because I personally tend to download different fanarts for different seasons

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RDV_Linux:

OK just checking.

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RDV_Linux:

I almost "fixed a bug" in Jamu that was not there:)

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coolthreads:

looks like I have to reload mythbuntu, setting up video on install config and got to a point when it asked about tv out and it configures xorg.conf to use tv out and so my monitor turns off after the slash screen

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iamlindoro:

Or just press ctrl-alt-f2 and fix it

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coolthreads:

I just have to learn exactly what needs to be to be entered in the xorg.conf to get it on. Ok I ssh into it

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iamlindoro:

I'd just plug in your DVI/etc. monitor, turn it on, then run sudo nvidia-xconfig

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iamlindoro:

then reboot

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coolthreads:

thanks

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tmkt:

way of using videos purchased on itunes on mythtv?

[17:37:45]

tmkt:

i do hate itunes

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iamlindoro:

none

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sphery:

are all of them DRM'ed?

[17:38:41]

sphery:

or just using some garbage like Amazon Unbox?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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sphery:

(flash-based so you don't get the videos, but play from online)

[17:39:12]

iamlindoro:

h.264 in MP4 w/ DRM

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sphery:

ah

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Gav8in:

Hi, I'm wondering if there's any support for CEA-909 Smart Antennas in mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Gav8in: only rotor stuff I am aware of that we support is DiSEqC, so that's a no

[17:40:38]

tmkt:

what about the export to AppleTV or Iphone/IPod version?

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sphery:

Yeah, I bought one Amazon Unbox (BSG Razor, IIRC) for $0.00 (special price, obviously), but I can't watch it since it requires Windows for the player. The DRM'ed videos wouldn't be any better, either.

[17:40:59]

Gav8in:

hrm. okie dokie. any particular reason why not? I haven't read through cea909 yet, but it seems like it might be useful. i don't know the level of hardware support for it in PC tuners.

[17:41:45]

sphery:

Gav8in: we'd love a patch :)

[17:41:50]

sphery:

Gav8in: if you're serious about doing so, you should probably talk to danielk22 or janneg about it

[17:42:08]

Gav8in:

well, sure, that's where I'm headed, but i'm not knowledable about the hardware to do the signalling yet

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iamlindoro:

tmkt: Those devices support Apple's DRM... myth does not

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Gav8in:

perhaps i'll read cea909 today, i'll see if there's a copy at the MIT library

[17:42:23]

sphery:

and you'll likely need to learn about the PC (and, particularly, Linux) support

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tmkt:

apple and itunes suck

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tmkt:

doesn't make much sense that i have to export my music to a cd, then rerip them to get the files in mp3

[17:43:31]

j-rod:

almost all of apple's music is drm-free now, hasn't everyone got the memo yet?

[17:43:52]

sphery:

Gav8in: especially if the spec is implemented in multiple countries, supporting it would be wonderful

[17:43:57]

Gav8in:

thanks sphery. i guess i'll read more before talking to danielk22.

[17:44:10]

Gav8in:

sphery, hrm, i do not know anything about anywhere more than 20 miles from cambridge, ma

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j-rod:

movies, on the other hand, are still drm'd. but you'd have to talk to the mpaa about that, not apple

[17:44:21]

Gav8in:

does new hampshire count as a separate country?

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Having been to NH, yes.

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j-rod:

hey

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iamlindoro:

But so does Cambridge.

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Gav8in:

sometimes i go to somerville

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** j-rod lives ~5 minutes south of the NH border **

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iamlindoro:

To flirt with the Jumbos?

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Gav8in:

big hair studies.

[17:45:27]

** iamlindoro prefers Somerville to Cambridge any day **

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Gav8in:

whyso?

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iamlindoro:

Because cambridge is a rundown hellhole

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kormoc:

New Hampshire?

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Gav8in:

i like both cities fine, but I find cambridge a lot easier to walk & ride around in

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: MA

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kormoc:

ooh! J-Rod

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Gav8in:

somerville is easier to drive in though, and has more reasonable real estate prices

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** j-rod likes neither, too painful to drive around down there **

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kormoc:

I totally thought iamlindoro said he lived near NH, and I was confused

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arrasz:

hallo

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arrasz:

is there any german spoken mythtv support channel?

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kormoc:

#mythtv-de

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arrasz:

thx

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j-rod:

boston has shithouse roads

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j-rod:

potholes like a mofo

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j-rod:

and no direct way to get anywhere

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** Gav8in shrugs **

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kormoc:

%s/boston/entire north east/

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Gav8in:

i'm more bothered by the lack of lane markings, the malfunctioning signals and the lack of signs givnig the names of streets and such

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j-rod:

kormoc: only the potholes part

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Gav8in:

it took me a while to be OK driving without those things

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j-rod:

one can go directly from burlington, ma to manchester, nh in nothing flat, perfectly direct

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: I used to commute up to Woburn, and before that to Andover... blech

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kormoc:

j-rod, new york is pretty bad, as is Philly...

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Gav8in:

but, i assure you, cambridge is quite drivable. i've learned the roads, and i get around in a crown vic even, fast and without trouble

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j-rod:

Gav8in: ok, now try driving out to Westford, MA during rush hour

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Gav8in:

i think that would be imprudent

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Gav8in:

a friend commutes from andover, it seems like hell.

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: mostly just I-495 commute?

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Gav8in:

i try to only ever walk to work

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j-rod:

see, I work in Westford

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Gav8in:

oh, going out TO westford at rush hour wouldn't be so bad

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Yeah... was worst during the snow, of course, they let the highway outside of the city get way out of hand

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Gav8in:

i have another friend's wife who reports that Somerville -> Manchester is a fine commute

[17:50:45]

Gav8in:

but she's, you know, crazy, so who knows

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iamlindoro:

j-rod: Though it was always an interesting sort of ice ballet getting home :) (lived in Cambridge)

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: they've been pretty good about plowing even outside of 495 while I've been out here

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I just work here

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j-rod:

Tyngsboro{,ugh}, MA to Westford for me

[17:51:28]

iamlindoro:

and by here, I mean in sunny California ;)

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j-rod:

and I drive my wife's beast when it gets really snowy, or just work from home

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j-rod:

though I do have an AWD ride of my own now

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kormoc:

I am so spoiled now-a-days

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j-rod:

its just ... well, rather low to the ground

[17:52:24]

** j-rod notes that a Volvo S60 R with the sport body kit does NOT make a good snow plow... **

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iamlindoro:

Snow is a bastard-- I'm never living somewhere snowy again unless it comes with scantily clad blondes

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iamlindoro:

like.. norway

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iamlindoro:

oh, and I'd have to be rich and I'd like a pony too

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j-rod:

A GMC Yukon Denali XL, however, can drive over pretty much everything we've been hit with out here.

[17:53:16]

** kormoc sends iamlindoro a pony **

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j-rod:

I kinda like the snow

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iamlindoro:

yayyyy pony

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kormoc:

I like the snow when it stays on the mountains and I can visit it whenever I want, but it doesn't visit me

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j-rod:

Gav8in: I've had more than enough times where I've had to get from Westford to Cambridge or somewhere down that way in the late afternoon/evening commute, and its *always* an hour-plus to get there

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j-rod:

I'm spoiled now w/my ~15 min drive, all backroads

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j-rod:

(with the option to pop onto the freeway for a bit if its clear and I feel like driving fast...)

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XLV:

iamlindoro, if that global warming keeps up, soon you'd have the norwgian cuties all happy to shed clothing and no snow to spoil the deal.. but then would the norwegian be so happy to go butt-nekkid?

[17:56:17]

j-rod:

the lack of regard for speed limits is probably my fave thing about driving out here

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iamlindoro:

XLV: I like to believe they would be

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j-rod:

80-in-a-55 is just flow-of-traffic speed pretty regularly on rt. 3...

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iamlindoro:

Heh... so it's been a full year now since ATI started shipping XvBA support in their drivers

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tmkt:

and still no good drivers

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j-rod:

and raise your hand if you care!

[18:00:15]

iamlindoro:

The drivers are fine

[18:00:21]

iamlindoro:

no API is your problem

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tmkt:

drivers are fine?

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iamlindoro:

tmkt: Yes. The drivers are fine.

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tmkt:

when i tried mythtv with the built in ATI card i had... i had nothing but problems

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iamlindoro:

tmkt: What does that have to do with XvBA?

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tmkt:

video showing up twice

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iamlindoro:

video showing up twice = using bobx deinterlace + Xv on ATI

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iamlindoro:

Easily fixed with a single setting

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tmkt:

Hmm, spent a week searching for solutions

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iamlindoro:

*shurg* fairly common and well understood problem

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tmkt:

is that the only problem i would have run into?

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iamlindoro:

That's the only problem you've described

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iamlindoro:

Plenty of people have made ATI work w/ Myth quite happily, self included

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tmkt:

yeah...can't remember what else there was, but not going to bother trying now that i have the 9600 in there

[18:05:26]

tmkt:

Radeon 2100

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iamlindoro:

IME ATI can be made to work with myth with a tiny bit of knowledge and barely any work, so long as you don't care about having hardware decode of video

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snakedoc:

hi my mythweb tries to find the backend at wrong ip adress is there a simple solution for this?

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iamlindoro:

fix your mythweb.conf

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tmkt:

Hmm...tempting to take the nvidia card out just to quiet down the system, if it is that easy to get it working right

[18:08:25]

tmkt:

avg system load is always under 1%

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sphery:

snakedoc: The DB info is specified in the mythweb.conf and the DB stores the backends' IP addresses. You likely need to run mythtv-setup on the backend with the issue and specify the appropriate IP address. Note that it must be an IP address (no hostnames) for backends.

[18:10:59]

dlonie:

Recently I've been unable to delete recordings (the dialog at the end of the recording never pops up). I'm using trunk — anyone else have this problem?

[18:11:06]

sphery:

snakedoc: backend with the issue = backend for which MythWeb uses the wrong IP

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sphery:

dlonie: does delete work elsewhere? I.e. using the INFO menu in Watch Recordings can you delete

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iamlindoro:

dlonie: What about pressing "D" or using the menu option?

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sphery:

or hitting D

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sphery:

:)

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snakedoc:

local

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snakedoc:

where is this mythweb.conf located?

[18:12:13]

sphery:

snakedoc: and you can /not/ use localhost anywhere in a configuration where multiple hosts are involved

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sphery:

snakedoc: apache config file

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dlonie:

Pressing D works (I never knew about that! :D), and the delete options aren't in the menu anymore

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iamlindoro:

in one of your apache conf directories

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iamlindoro:

dlonie: The delete options are defintely still in the menu

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Do you know what conditions cause the title "Unknown Prefix" to be displayed in MythVideo after a scan? In MythVideo it looks like a sub-directory and has videos in side but I cannot see why these videos are marked in this "Unknown Prefix" folder. There is no such folder at all.

[18:13:22]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Having a combination of SG and local will cause that (ergo my eagerness to purge local scanning)

[18:13:38]

dlonie:

Hrm, not here...I've just got Change group filter, change group view, change group password, add to playlist, and help (status icons)

[18:14:00]

iamlindoro:

dlonie: You're pressing the Menu key, not the info key

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RDV_Linux:

Aaaaah of course this is caused by my Jamu testing.

[18:14:19]

dlonie:

iamlindoro: eep, I just noticed that. I need to remap my remote.

[18:15:04]

wagnerrp:

yet one more front panel USB module in my desktop....

[18:15:13]

wagnerrp:

any bets on how long this one lasts before i break it?

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sphery:

heh, I've had to do FP USB surgery a couple of times on this system

[18:16:32]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: It does seem strange as I have a Videos SG but no FE video directory. All the graphics directories are local files. Should it still happen?

[18:16:43]

wagnerrp:

sadly, the header on my board was hidden underneath the full height sound card

[18:16:47]

sphery:

really annoying design for the case that makes it relatively easy to push the USB ports out of the case (then /very/ hard to get in to them)

[18:16:48]

wagnerrp:

i had to shut down to replace it this time

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: I don't understand your question

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: You have videometadata records with and without host values... that alone is more than enough to make it happen

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kormoc:

hrm

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Thanks for the last part. I understand you have gone purist on me, either all local files or all SG's for Video and graphic directories.

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kormoc:

There used to be a way if you give multiple dirs to have it the first level of menu be the root dirs, say /mnt/video and /mnt/vid2, you'd have the root be video, vid2 rather then the first level of subdirs, is that still able to be done?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Not Purist, just the way the SG implementation works-- I didn't write it and have never worked on it. FWIW I don't like the behavior

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: presumably, I've never touched that part of the code

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I wonder if it's cause I have / on the end of the dirs or not

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kormoc:

I'll have to poke

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iamlindoro:

I'll have a go at flattening the local and SG stuff into one consistent file structure tonight, maybe

[18:21:55]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Thanks I thought it was a bug in Jamu when I was testing a mixture of local file directories and SG's. In the end things are working as designed.

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sphery:

kormoc: want http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6800 closed as a dup of (already-fixed) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6777 . No response on version from #6800's submitter.

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kormoc:

sphery, by all means, sure :)

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

thanks

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snakedoc:

+sphery: do i need a GUI to run the setup because at the moment mythtv doesn't display any fonts

[18:30:22]

sphery:

mythtv-setup is a gui program

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sphery:

are you using an ATI card?

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snakedoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

run it over VNC

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snakedoc:

tried same result

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wagnerrp:

well then your X is broken

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gbee:

no fonts installed?

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sphery:

snakedoc: you need to use the following before running mythfrontend/mythtv-setup: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1

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sphery:

snakedoc: or perhaps: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1

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sphery:

don't remember which one fixes the segfault and which one fixes the display

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sphery:

think it's really the X drivers that are broken. :)

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snakedoc:

most likely...

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sphery:

and though using "pure" VNC (i.e. not :0 VNC) should work, I'm guessing you tried :0 VNC

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sphery:

using ssh -Y to a computer that's not got an ATI card should also work

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sphery:

s/to/from/

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snakedoc:

im using it right now

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snakedoc:

i see just a black box with blue corners

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sphery:

it = which?

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snakedoc:

vnc

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sphery:

not :0 VNC?

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sphery:

if not, you need to disable the OpenGL painter: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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sphery:

(:0 VNC is when you display the screen that's shown on the "normal" monitor through VNC. "pure" VNC is when you have a VNC server that runs its own X instance.)

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** iamlindoro thinks he has a clever way to suppress duplicate items in mythvideo w/ SG + Local **

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sphery:

we all have to buy Pentium II computers to make it work?

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** juski tries to fix the progressbar in mythmusic **

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snakedoc:

disabling opengl painter didn't work :(

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gbee:

juski: the popup when scanning?

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gbee:

or the play progress?

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gbee:

guys, what do we normally tell people to do when they have no text displayed?

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juski:

play progress

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gbee:

juski: ahh

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juski:

gbee: install msttcorefonts

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gbee:

right, see I'm wondering why we've had discussions about X, video drivers and vnc but no-one has thought to tell snakedoc that he might not have the fonts installed

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gbee:

:)

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hrab:

Could someone reccomend a hybrid, dual tuner for 99% analog OTA, and a few channels of QAM ota that works in myth?

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snakedoc:

didn't help

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snakedoc:

with the fonts

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gbee:

right, well it had to be tried :)

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iamlindoro:

hrab: You seem to be in the US-- where are you finding analog OTA?

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iamlindoro:

since in theory it's all been turned off

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iamlindoro:

(and there's not such thing as QAM OTA)

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iamlindoro:

er no such

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juski:

hahaha. made the progressbar initialise at empty but when playback commences it still goes to full briefly

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hrab:

I just get the signal from my cable.. no set top box, just a cable ready tv, it works for the standard 85 channels or so, then I get a few HD local stations.

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juski:

damn little wriggler

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iamlindoro:

hrab: OTA means "Over the Air"... if you are getting it from cable, it's not OTA

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gbee:

juski: might be a flaw in the widget

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gbee:

juski: flac now working?

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hrab:

pardon my cluelessness, I thought ota included basic cable and the like.

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iamlindoro:

hrab: OTA is television received via antenna

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iamlindoro:

hrab: You probably want something like a Hauppauge HVR-1600

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gbee:

might be confusing it with FTA (Free to Air), unencrypted and free to receive channels

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juski:

gbee: scanning error :)

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iamlindoro:

Which also doesn't include cable :)

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hrab:

I'm a complete newbie to tv tech....I could be confusing it with anything and everything.

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gbee:

juski: eww, fun, not what I wanted to hear :/

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juski:

gbee: and I know the guy who wrote the progressbar widget is a total git so it'd be his fault ;)

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snakedoc:

was the setup the only way or could it be done manually?

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gbee:

juski: you wrote that?

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juski:

gbee: oh no no no no. no. Tried scanning over my crappy wireless connection & ended up aborting it. Forgot about it

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kormoc:

snakedoc, if you can't run setup cause of missing fonts, the rest of the app is worthless too, as they use the same fonts...

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gbee:

juski: oh, heh

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snakedoc:

its just a server to me

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snakedoc:

mythweb is the reason why i have it

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juski:

gbee: I think I did. copied it from something else. prolly a problem with the sums/checking in it come to think

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hrab:

The 1600 works? I thought it had driver issues. Thanks.

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sphery:

snakedoc: though unconfigured, the whole app is worthless

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iamlindoro:

hrab: Works fine, there were some early issues but they've been cleared up, works nicely now

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snakedoc:

+sphery: everything worked fine until i switched router

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sphery:

snakedoc: I still think you're not properly setting those environment variables I mentioned that fix display issues for users with ATI cards

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sphery:

snakedoc: at which point you got a new IP address

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sphery:

snakedoc: meaning it needs configured

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gbee:

juski: I remembered that you added the widget to mythmusic but not that you wrote the widget

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juski:

anyway, if I did write it it'd be my fault

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juski:

:)

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hrab:

that's exactly the information I've been widening my bald spot to find out, Thank you iam.

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juski:

my memory is well fuzzy these days

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juski:

gbee: actually you're prolly right. I couldn't have written it. I must've just borrowed from the volume display code. Sounds lazy like me

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gbee:

never said you couldn't have written it, just that I didn't remember if you did

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snakedoc:

was i just supposed to run mythtv-setup LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1?

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gbee:

and when I talk about the widget here, I'm referring to whatever is in libmyth/uitypes.h

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gbee:

snakedoc: "export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1"

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gbee:

then mythtv-setup

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sphery:

gbee: only reason I didn't go to the font issue first is because the distros seem to have finally figured that one out

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sphery:

I'll admit assuming that he was using a distro/packages was a leap, but...

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sphery:

font issue = needing ms core web fonts installed or proper font replacement rules

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sphery:

snakedoc: and, when running the command, no quotes: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1

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sphery:

snakedoc: and if that doesn't help, also run: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1

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sphery:

then try mythtv-setup again

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sphery:

(gbee quoted what you should run, but if you didn't realize that and run with quotes, it won't work/do the right thing--at least not in shells I would use)

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juski:

heh I didn't write the widget. course I didn't

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snakedoc:

still doesn't work i must say my system is broken in more than one dimension...

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sphery:

snakedoc: doesn't work where? using vnc? using ssh -Y? using the system directly with a monitor plugged in?

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snakedoc:

hurray i switched to openGL and now it works!

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snakedoc:

but i get "Cannot find (ping) database host on the network" now :(

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sphery:

you really need statically-defined IP addresses

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tmkt:

where is the userinfo for mythexport stored?

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tmkt:

keeps trying to login to mysql as root@'localhost'

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tmkt:

need to switch that to mythtv

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sphery:

snakedoc: the problem now is that you have broken $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml and/or broken mysql.txt file(s) on your system . You'll need to fix them to contain the proper info for your new network config (with new IP's).

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sphery:

tmkt: likely using $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml

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tmkt:

nope..that is all nice and good

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juski:

aha! Changed showProgressBar() to just set total=100 & used=0. It's full. Bah heed

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juski:

not mythmusic's problem then

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro and kormoc: FYI: That issue of a "Unknown Prefix" in MythVideo was my problem which I have fixed.

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juski:

heh. mostly fixed it with a workaround

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juski:

there we go. Now zeroes at startup as well as on changing tracks :)

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juski:

one less thing for real devs to do

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juski:

this is sane isn't it? not doing anything outrageous? http://pastebin.ca/1532884

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gbee:

what follows the 'else' should be on a new line

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juski:

whoops. missed that

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juski:

new line & indented 4 spaces

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tmkt:

/var/www/.mythtv/config.xml for some reason

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gbee:

widget should take zero to indicate that no progress has occurred, I assume that's not the case here?

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juski:

when it's called with used of 0 and total of 100 it appears full

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snakedoc:

+sphery: okay i think i got it all covered now, thank you so very much for your time

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snakedoc:

your a life saver

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juski:

gbee: looking at the widget code I can't see any other way to fix it other than redo it, and what's the point in that?

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gbee:

juski: ok, then I've no problems with that patch

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juski:

width = used divided by total

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juski:

so if 'used' is zero.. ;-)

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juski:

hang on, I'm barking

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gbee:

wow

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juski:

how thick am I tonight? keep me away from svn

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gbee:

if (used == 0) width = 0;

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juski:

may aswell do the same to height

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gbee:

if it's vertical?

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juski:

yeah

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sphery:

tmkt: that means that $HOME (in the environment in which your process is running) is /var/www

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juski:

width & height are just set up from m_used

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gbee:

just given myself an idea for a new progressbar style in mythui

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sphery:

tmkt: i.e. you're kicking off your mythexport using apache?

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sphery:

tmkt: as the /only/ place where config.xml can exist is $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml

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juski:

bah I'll have to rebuild everything now.

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juski:

nuts. still the same

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tmkt:

yeah..dunno..just apt-get install mythexport

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tmkt:

didnt complete properly

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tmkt:

and whenever i tried to configure the package

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tmkt:

it kept using root insetad of mythtv as the mysql username

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tmkt:

so i did a purge on it..and it complained about /var/www/.mythtv/config.xml

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juski:

puttin in some verbose. yeh

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rmk:

looking for help ...watched a recording this morning and it froze near the end of the show....now when i try to watch live tv all i get is the same frozen frame from the recording....any idea what is going on here?

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tmkt:

was doing everything with sudo on ubuntu

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juski:

gbee: this might be a qt Pixmap issue

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sphery:

rmk: almost definitely a problem with your video card (not capture card) drivers

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sphery:

rmk: restart X (and/or reboot and/or shut down the computer, unplug power, hit the power button a few times, wait 30 seconds, then reboot)

[20:02:53]

gbee:

doesn't like zero width/height? Ok, just do the best you can, it's been that way for at least a couple of years now and will be gone in 6 months

[20:03:15]

rmk:

sphery:odd that i am still able to watch stuff from my media library, don't you think?

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sphery:

rmk: you're likely using a different playback mechanism for the stuff in your media library

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sphery:

rmk: i.e. you're using XvMC for recordings but using Xv for videos or using VDPAU for recordings and using Xv for videos

[20:04:27]

sphery:

but sounds like some hardware on your video card is wedged (or some portion of the video drivers are wedged)

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rmk:

sphery:i have already powered down completely (but not unplugged)...i will try that

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juski:

gbee: aha! 0,0 for the drawPixmap of that type make it do all of it. sheesh. I'll do the mythmusic patch

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sphery:

rmk: though one person I know of was using VDPAU and actually "burned" an image into his VDPAU (so to speak). Pretty sure he ended up replacing the card. (However, something like that is unlikely unless you're actually writing VDPAU code.)

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juski:

gbee: "(sw, sh) specifies the size of the pixmap that is to be drawn. The default, (0, 0) (and negative) means all the way to the bottom-right of the pixmap"

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juski:

grrr

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sphery:

rmk: but if the image lasts through a (very) cold reboot (after ensuring all caps have been drained--thus the power button while unplugged), there's definitely a big problem

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kormoc:

I still have the card, but it's not in any machine

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sphery:

still burned in?

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sphery:

(or at least at last use)

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kormoc:

I don't get the image anymore when attempting to use purevideo/vdpau (did a few firmware flashes), but still no joy on actually working

[20:07:43]

rmk:

sphery:yeah...i have not seen this issue before...i think i will try replacing the video card...i am sure i have a similar one around here somewhere

[20:08:07]

kormoc:

purevideo just spits out a 'unknown' error and fails

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sphery:

rmk: good luck... If you get it with a different video card, let us know and we can go into more detail on how you're actually configured to figure out what's happening

[20:08:37]

sphery:

get it = get the problem

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rmk:

sphery:I will try that now...thanks for the response...i have been pulling my hair out for a couple of hours......back in a few

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** sphery wonders how many Myth users are bald **

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kormoc:

88% with 11% wearing wigs

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** iamlindoro has a full head of glorious black hair, and a baby-smooth complexion **

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sphery:

heh, those are /very/ precise stats

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sphery:

I think I saw iamlindoro on an I Can't Believe It's Not Butter commercial.

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** kormoc resists making a joke about a baby's ass **

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kormoc:

my hair is currently around .5 inches long

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** iamlindoro wears a flowing, open-frontend shirt **

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sphery:

Mine is currently about 1/16 inch long--I know, I was lazy and didn't shave today.

[20:12:20]

meshe:

my hair is somewhere between 2.5 to 3 feet long

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linxeh:

heh

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kormoc:

I was so tired of my 3/4 inch long hair, I buzzed it down last night

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sphery:

(might actually be about 1/32 as it seems that 1/8" is too long to shave nicely and skipping shaving 4 days in a row is too much

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iamlindoro:

sphery: HIPPIE!

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kormoc:

you shave your head dailyish eh?

[20:13:32]

sphery:

usually every other day

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kormoc:

huh

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sphery:

http://www.headblade.com/

[20:13:44]

kormoc:

I'm way too lazy

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sphery:

Best way to shave

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meshe:

ack, skinhead

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meshe:

;)

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hrab:

Another question for you knowlegable folks, Will 64 bit buntu behind mythtv mess anything up driver wise with the tuners or remotes?

[20:14:06]

kormoc:

head blade sounds way too much like a guillotine part

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iamlindoro:

"So, my cat puked into my MythTV box. Not kidding! Since the puke, the video is all blue. The red channel of the component out is fried. The video is on the MB."

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iamlindoro:

Oh users list

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iamlindoro:

you silly minx

[20:14:31]

iamlindoro:

or in this case, possibly manx

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iamlindoro:

</catjoke>

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sphery:

meshe: heh, yeah, when I travel for work, I go to some areas where people seem to associate my hairstyle with certain world views

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kormoc:

that looks like a industrial razor... scary

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sphery:

hrab: 64-bit generally works well within the FOSS world

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iamlindoro:

hrab: No, this isn't windows, our drivers work in 32 or 64 bit ;)

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** kormoc rathers just straight razors... **

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meshe:

sphery: well, I'll add you to the list of nice people I know with shaved heads

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sphery:

hrab: when you go to proprietary stuff (like Flash or ATI video drivers or Win32 CODEC's), YMMV

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hrab:

good to know, would be my first 64 bit linux install. Figured I should check Beforehand for once.

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juski:

hmm I could hack the widget to use width & height of 1 if m_used < 1. Less lines & it'll do for now

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iamlindoro:

I love that I quoted a message about someone on the users list having their cat vomit into and destroy their mythbox, and nobody bats an eyelash

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Well, it's sorta typical around these parts ;)

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JEDIDIAH__:

I'm surprised more electronics doesn't die due to cats marking territory.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I nearly got marked at the little zoo in the Mirage that Sigfried and Roy have/had.

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juski:

dum de dumm.. compilin'

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: marked like Roy got marked?

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gbee:

sphery: braver man than I, my hair is shortish (shorter than kormoc's right now) but I don't think I'll start shaving it, happy just to get out the clippers once a week

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JEDIDIAH__:

Roy was "rescued"

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JEDIDIAH__:

do you know how a cat marks territory?

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, buzz cuts are a lot lower maintenance than shaving

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kormoc:

to die a painful death a week later...

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: depends if it's male or female

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kormoc:

gbee, ooh, *I* don't use the straight razor, the barber does! ;)

[20:22:03]

** kormoc starts humming a musical about a barber and his wife... **

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JEDIDIAH__:

This is why 400 pound creatures with 20 razors for claws are generally kept away from people.

[20:22:15]

sphery:

double-edged safety razor ftw!

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kormoc:

sphery, but then there's a shortage of meat pies :(

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juski:

gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1532942

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** kormoc doubts anyone gets the reference **

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** sphery isn't that cultured (though he has a guess) **

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juski:

gbee: makes no real difference where the hack is. I think it'll do the job either way

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gbee:

kormoc: nah anyone in the UK probably knows who you are referring to, though the musical might mean more to the yanks

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kormoc:

gbee, you guys stuck with the non-musical version eh?

[20:24:01]

kormoc:

the original movie was... ugh... wow...

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gbee:

aka history?

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juski:

iamlindoro: a guy I work with had a PC destroyed when his cat peed on the box :P

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kormoc:

gbee, erm? I didn't know he was real, and wikipedia seems to agree, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweeny_Todd

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gbee:

no seriously, a lot of people believe it was based on a real event and I've heard variations of the tale since I was a kid

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

so I guess there's a lot of bearded men over there eh? :P

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gbee:

"Sweeny Todd" wasn't real, but there are variations on a similar story that get mixed up in such a way that they are synonymous,

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kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

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sphery:

we could ask lindoro for details on another barber

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gbee:

could explain why I've never liked going to the barber since I was a kid

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh, now *that* is one that only you and I are likely to get

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kormoc:

yeah, also could explain the idea of evil men having facial hair, as they'd be scared to go to the evil man killing barber for shaves...

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juski:

I stopped going to my local place on account of one of the guys being a raging racist

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so is that really the source of your nick?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yes

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** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

cool... always wondered

[20:29:36]

kormoc:

lindoro is a barber?

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iamlindoro:

lindoro is friends with one

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sphery:

Lindoro is a student in The Barber of Seville

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iamlindoro:

Fiiiiiiiigaro

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Well, he's the Count Almaviva

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iamlindoro:

sphery: he's just disguised as a student

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iamlindoro:

(Lindoro)

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sphery:

as I said, I'm not /that/ cultured

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juski:

last time I got my hair cut there the conversation veered onto "you know what we should have every year – a 'bash a p**i day' where anybody can just take a poke at a p**i with whatever weapon they like & it's all fair game'. If he'd not already started cutting I'd have walked

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** kormoc just got culture slapped by a guy claimed to be uncultured **

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iamlindoro:

"Io son lindoro che fido v'adoro"

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gbee:

could also be that they tend to keep you waiting for ages, have the radio stuck on inane rubbish and always want to talk about some sport you couldn't care less about

[20:31:13]

iamlindoro:

"I_am_Lindoro, who will faithfully love you"

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iamlindoro:

tadaaaaa

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** sphery feels so loved **

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gbee:

fairly recently the female barber at my local mistook me for her best friend's new boyfriend, purely because I fit the physical description – that was a little awkward

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juski:

gbee: yeah that – I can only unplug my brain so far believe it or not ;-)

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kormoc:

gbee, but the drama you could have started...

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sphery:

kormoc: not really culture slapped--my understanding is based on The Homer of Seville

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

sphery, I was being overly dramatic :)

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juski:

ffs even this isn't the full story damnit

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juski:

must still need changes in mythmusic too. bah

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juski:

well, if a job's worth doing...

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gbee:

I think mostly I just really hate waiting, or more accurately wasting time doing absolutely nothing while bored out of my mind

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kormoc:

Yeah

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kormoc:

I just really hate having to pick a style

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wagnerrp:

p**i?

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juski:

wagnerrp: human being from Pakistan

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kormoc:

I'm here for a hair cut. Make it look okay without me needing to maintain it daily, that's it. I don't need/want to look though a book and pick a picture

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kormoc:

p times pointer i?

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wagnerrp:

or p to the power i

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juski:

kormoc: not a "sit in front of a mirror for 2 hours with rollers/straightners" kinda guy eh? ;-)

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kormoc:

juski, heh, very much not :)

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GuySoft:

hi all, i seems vlc works on my computer but mythtv does not. it wont get a lock on the dvb channel. dmesg floods with: .: [ 427.940490] ec100_set_frontend: freq:514166670 bw:

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** j-rod just shaves his head, whenever he gets around to it (usually when it starts to get annoyingly long, which isn't very long) **

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juski:

I dunno if my hairline started to recede before I got into OSS or because of it

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sphery:

j-rod: headblade?

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sphery:

GuySoft: likely need to adjust your timeouts in mythtv-setup

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j-rod:

sphery: suckkut!

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GuySoft:

hmm, vlc unlike mythtv puts out the line: [ 714.328912] ec100_init

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j-rod:

(not really)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

that would actually be a lot easier than shavign

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GuySoft:

sphery, to how long? because i did already, could timeout mean i have no init line in the dmesg?

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sphery:

I like headblade for shaving, though

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sphery:

GuySoft: no init line?

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sphery:

you mean your drivers show no initialization (or firmware load or whatever)?

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j-rod:

sphery: just some aging wahl clippers, iirc. they do the job for both my head and my son's head

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sphery:

ahh--that was my approach before the shaver

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gbee:

mini-me?

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j-rod:

wahl? whal? whahahahhl? I forget...

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gbee:

Wahl

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j-rod:

gbee: very much so w/the mini-me

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iamlindoro:

Narwhal

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juski:

ffs! 0:01 out of 07:33 shows the full damn bar

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** kormoc wonders what narwhal tastes like **

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j-rod:

pix of me when I was little look damned similar, and he seems to be following a very similar growth pattern

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gbee:

juski: let it go, save whatever hair you have left

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GuySoft:

sphery, it seems i saw now 3 inits.. its just tempremental

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juski:

it's anything above 7 minutes or so. seriously WTF

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: A little like humpback whale

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: But with the satisfying squish of three-toed sloth

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juski:

well it's better than it was before. I'll commit this before I go mad

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sphery:

juski: sounds like you're rolling over a 32-bit int

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kormoc:

hrm "It was tough as rubber, with a taste like congealed gravy." http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/food/2009/04/23/eating-narwhal/

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gbee:

juski: can't say I've ever noticed a problem with it before

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kormoc:

sounds like I wouldn't like it, bummer

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GuySoft:

sphery, yes, before the flood there are 3 inits, not one

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GuySoft:

sphery, and i set timeout to 10 secs, and it does not help

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GuySoft:

sphery, note that it takes seconds in vlc

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juski:

adding just one eedle beet more..

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GuySoft:

... and that this works fine on another computer, antenna in the same position

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sphery:

juski: 2^32 = 4294967296 and 7min = 420seconds, so that would roll over at 7min if using 1/10us?

[20:47:11]

juski:

sphery: maybe. added a check for if m_used > m_total now too

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sphery:

yeah, I have no idea of the context, so feel free to ignore me if my random comments make no sense in this case :)

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juski:

sphery: it's just at the start of playback – until the time hits 0:01 – on tracks of > approx 7 mins

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juski:

gah looks like you're right sphery

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juski:

still, how many music tracks are > 7 mins?

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gbee:

lots and lots

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kormoc:

21:12!

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iamlindoro:

mm, palindroey

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gbee:

iirc track length/playtime is in milliseconds in mythmusic

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iamlindoro:

er palindromey

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juski:

according to the VERBOSE I shoved in m_used & m_total are seconds

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gbee:

juski: ok, we're probably /1000 somewhere, because I know the values which go into the DB are ms

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juski:

wonder if we should be doing the maths in playbackbox instead to try & avoid the overflow

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sphery:

could also just be overflowing during some expression (and not in the actual data value)

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juski:

int width = (int)((double)((double)m_container.width() – (double)(2*m_fillerSpace)) * (double)((double)m_used / (double)m_total));

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juski:

that'd be where, maybe ;-)

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sphery:

mmm, purty

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** sphery pastes into vi to get some brace-matching **

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Gav8in:

C, eh? I'd have written those as static_cast<>.

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** Gav8in shrugs **

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kormoc:

c++

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sphery:

or at least C in a C++ file :)

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kormoc:

Gav8in, and patches welcome

[21:14:15]

Gav8in:

aye, i know. i am currently awaiting shipment of my UPS box, and i'll accumulate patches as I may

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Gav8in:

i'm unlikely though to just reformat code

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Gav8in:

i just can't write C style casts like that, i do not understand their precedence well enough to be confident without more brackets, but i'm just forgetful about precedence.

[21:15:11]

Gav8in:

i work mostly in lisp, which has no implicit precedence whatsoever, it breeds laziness

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kormoc:

there's no point in more brackets, it's all done via ()'s and very explicit

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sphery:

I'm wondering if FedEx is allowed to ship UPS's...

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Gav8in:

(double)m_container.width() – (double)(2*m_fillerSpace) // this is the one that i wasn't sure of

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kormoc:

casts are applied before operators (the -)

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Gav8in:

likewise (double)m_used / (double)m_total).

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Gav8in:

yeah, the code suggests that's the case, it'd be buggy otherwise

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Gav8in:

(although looking it up, C style casts happen after some binary & unary operators, but before most)

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juski:

shouldn't have stayed up til silly o'clock wrangling xml last this morning

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gbee:

yeah, which reminds me that I was going to get an early night, so I'm doing that now, before another 2 hours pass

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juski:

lazy me

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juski:

int percentplayed = (currentTime / maxTime) * 100; progress_bar->SetTotal(100); //SetTotal(maxTime); progress_bar->SetUsed(percentplayed); //SetUsed(currentTime);

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juski:

works though :)

[21:24:57]

gbee:

no idea why we have to pass percentages to that widget, but who cares, it's time is nearly over

[21:25:03]

juski:

yup

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juski:

I'll get this in

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juski:

crap. should've svn upped earlier

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sphery:

juski: I know I didn't break your mythmusic... :)

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juski:

wha?

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juski:

but.. I didn't actually commit anything yet...

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sphery:

just meaning my commits were nowhere near there, so hoping I didn't cause any issues

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sphery:

(or break Myth :)

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sid3windr:

~ mythmusic was my first love... but it will be my laaaast..

[21:43:02]

GuySoft:

sphery, i dont know what can be wornd

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GuySoft:

on one pc i get lock, on the other not

[21:43:25]

GuySoft:

should it be that its generating interference or something?

[21:43:35]

sphery:

different capture cards/drivers?

[21:44:09]

sphery:

might also be that one is set to use Quick Tuning and the other isn't?

[21:44:53]

papertigers:

anyone here running 0.22 trunk that could help me, or i guess anyone in general. Why cant video manager find my videos in the directory I point it towards

[21:45:28]

sphery:

because, as mentioned in the -commits list for trunk that all trunk users should be reading ;), Video Manager no longer scans automatically

[21:45:45]

sphery:

you need to use the Menu to bring up the popup with a button to scan

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iamlindoro:

Nor is video manager necessary, it should be thrown on a bonfire of framegrabbers

[21:46:04]

iamlindoro:

If only someone had access to mythvideo to do that sort of thing

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papertigers:

ahh okay

[21:46:23]

papertigers:

and that menu is brought up how?

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sphery:

M or I

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sphery:

don't know which

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sphery:

I'll figure out which when it's all settled :)

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papertigers:

thanks ill try it, I am just getting back into mythv, and I figured Id give trunk a try

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sphery:

papertigers: stable is a /much/ better one to run

[21:47:49]

sphery:

I run stable and only have a trunk system for development

[21:48:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

and for those that don't agree w/ whatever the M/I outcome, just reverse your keybindings. ;)

[21:49:13]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Heh... and for those who don't care one way or another, we just want them to all behave consistently :)

[21:49:29]

sphery:

exactly

[21:50:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

compromise and make them cycle..... hit 'M' twice and it brings up teh 'I' menu. hit 'I' twice and it brings up the 'M' Menu.

[21:50:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

[21:50:52]

juski:

or just contextualise more like I tried with my PBB patch

[21:51:09]

sphery:

does it currently dismiss when you hit M/I a second time?

[21:51:13]

juski:

yes

[21:51:17]

iamlindoro:

juski: Trouble in something like Mythvideo without a group/item context, it would make for some looooong menus or many submenus

[21:51:22]

GuySoft:

sphery, no, they are set the same

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GuySoft:

sphery, its a shame i carnt run some kind of diff

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juski:

iamlindoro: yeah I know, would take some rejiggling around I think

[21:52:17]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[21:52:22]

juski:

I *do* want to do away with one menu button though. two *should* be unneccessary

[21:52:25]

GuySoft:

sphery, could it be something like the record files?

[21:52:31]

papertigers:

sphery: the mythboxs I used to have all ran stable, however I was looking at the new one and I wanted the new interface

[21:52:31]

iamlindoro:

Though if it comes to that I have a notion of how I would do it-- would just be more submenus than I would like, though

[21:52:34]

sphery:

ah, if current behavior wasn't to dismiss on second press, I was going to say that using Captain_Murdoch's toggle approach for the 2 might be nicer than having a button for switching (though not as easy/intuitive, I'll admit)

[21:52:35]

GuySoft:

i keep getting: 2009-08–18 00:44:43.332 Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/mnt/hda1/mythtv/1001_20090818004431.mpg

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Captain_Murdoch:

juski, how about a SMARTMENU binding for those who want Myth to guess what which menu they want. :)

[21:52:57]

juski:

Captain_Murdoch: could be an idea

[21:53:04]

iamlindoro:

And a RIGHTMENU for what they atually need? ;)

[21:53:09]

iamlindoro:

er actually

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Captain_Murdoch:

keep MENU and INFO but have a new option for those 1-button-remote people. :)

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sphery:

GuySoft: the preview error probably is irrelevant--probably the code that tries to make a preview of a dummy file

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, and a "FEELINGLUCKY" menu like google

[21:54:00]

iamlindoro:

MOARMENUS

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sphery:

I like the idea of killing arrow-key accelerators--even though I've used them from day 1 and have some well-trained muscle memory by now

[21:55:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

the SMARTMENU was a joke, but I think I prefer the idea.

[21:55:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I turned them off since day 1. :)

[21:55:12]

juski:

I'm actually happier now 'show details' is on a menu level where you don't have to go into 'recording options'

[21:55:15]

sphery:

they either need to be applied everywhere or not at all

[21:55:23]

juski:

that was the main thing I wanted to rejig things for

[21:55:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

too many accidental starting of playback or exiting a screen.

[21:55:46]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, and that's true--the default is on, so you had to turn them off

[21:55:56]

sphery:

which means the transition to 0.22 (without them) will be fun :)

[21:56:09]

** sphery sees many confused users in the future **

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Captain_Murdoch:

wait till they can't wrap on some lists anymore since the theme controls that now. :)

[21:57:08]

iamlindoro:

The users will hae many new things to be confused about in .22

[21:57:16]

iamlindoro:

Confusion to the enemy!

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Captain_Murdoch:

instinct 'up' 'enter' to delete but instead it plays. (I think I got that example right)

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sphery:

as more and more stuff becomes theme-controlled, I wonder if we'll see a proliferation of same-theme-different-usage themes

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kormoc:

I would hope not

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sphery:

yeah, I hope not, too

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iamlindoro:

There are spots I don't care if someone changes for their own user, and parts where it's an artistic choice that I would prefer they didn't

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sphery:

but I fully expect people to know what they want to see and how they want it to act and not be willing to budge on either

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iamlindoro:

er for their own use

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kormoc:

whoops, wrong channel

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kormoc:

I totally ment for that here, but anyway :)

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papertigers:

sphery: what would this error mean, Can't locate XML/Simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts

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GuySoft:

sphery, anything else i can look at that might say what is going on?

[21:59:25]

sphery:

kormoc: well, here I can say: coincidence that my first commit was r21337 or is it true that I r 2 1337 ?

[21:59:39]

** kormoc laughs **

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GuySoft:

sphery, maybe its something like mpeg4 support

[21:59:41]

GuySoft:

?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Answer my question!

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sphery:

papertigers: means that you're missing prerequisite Perl modules

[21:59:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery, no, mine!

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Sphery!!!

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GuySoft:

sphery, i mean, that might explain why i am not getting anything

[22:00:09]

juski:

argghhh damn rounding

[22:00:11]

GuySoft:

??

[22:00:30]

juski:

thought it was fixed. it ain't

[22:00:34]

** iamlindoro joins in the "everybody mob sphery by name instead of courteously asking the channel in general" fun **

[22:00:48]

iamlindoro:

sphery, where do babies come from?

[22:00:55]

iamlindoro:

sphery, why don't girls like me?

[22:01:04]

** kormoc would be tempted to answer 'yo mama' to both those questions **

[22:01:09]

sphery:

GuySoft: there could be /many/ different causes... You'll likely have to do a lot of experimenting to figure out what's going on--it's not just something with a simple solution

[22:01:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery, if a train leaves houston traveling at 66 MPH at 8 AM, at what time will it arrive in Dallas?

[22:01:28]

sphery:

GuySoft: assuming it works /through Myth/ on one system and not on the other

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iamlindoro:

IRC Lesson of the day: Once someone has answered your first question, they do not become your indentured servant

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, there goes my business plan

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sphery:

GuySoft: if it doesn't work in Myth in either, it could be the whole, "Myth uses the frequency information in the signal, so if your broadcaster gives wrong info, it won't work in Myth" thing. This can happen with translators(??? don't know if that's the right word) that rebroadcast a signal for another area but on a different frequency.

[22:02:53]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: No "Kormoc's Human Trafficing LLC?"

[22:03:00]

iamlindoro:

He gone

[22:03:05]

kormoc:

Sadly not :(

[22:03:27]

iamlindoro:

Oh well, back to the business plan for KGDIAF, Inc.

[22:03:34]

juski:

I need more network ports in this house. wireless simply SUCKS in loonix

[22:03:47]

** kormoc buys futures in lighters and matches **

[22:03:56]

juski:

ENOTENOUGHBANDWIDTHFORFLAC :-(

[22:04:06]

kormoc:

juski, yeah, it's horrid :(

[22:04:21]

kormoc:

I get 300 mbit in os x, I get 11 mbit in linux :(

[22:04:45]

gbee:

papertigers: which distro? You need to install the perl-xml-simple package, the instructions for that would depend on the distro, urpmi/rpmdrak for Mandriva, yum for Fedora, apt-get for Ubuntu

[22:04:51]

** sphery tries to figure out how to push a message through to a guy who's no longer here... I took a lot of time to type that out before he left. **

[22:05:10]

papertigers:

gbee: i am running archlinux

[22:05:17]

juski:

sphery: find out where he lives, write it on some paper. wrap the paper around a brick...

[22:05:29]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

sphery, meditate, burn some incense, oom for a few hours, you'll go beyond time and space and can send it to him via a bolt of electricity

[22:05:51]

gbee:

well I've not a clue what package managers Arch uses, you'll have to refer to that distributions documentation

[22:06:02]

juski:

pacman

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jams:

pacman -S perl-xml-simple

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sid3windr:

anyone here have a device based on intel poulsbo chipset/vga ? (gma 500)

[22:06:13]

kormoc:

or just wear black until you absorb his mental thought patterns, ala the master of infinity

[22:06:14]

sid3windr:

be it on linux or windows

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** kormoc is no longer a mass murder, as he shared the information of mastering infinity **

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sphery:

kormoc: "oom for a few hours"? Guess I'll start cramming stuff into RAM...

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** kormoc laughs **

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juski:

heh helps if you *compile* the changes you made, you putz

[22:07:41]

sphery:

arch users play with pacman when installing?

[22:07:43]

sphery:

how cool

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meshe:

sounds more exciting than apt

[22:08:10]

sphery:

I'd never get anything fully installed, though--I generally lost all my lives before clearing 3/4 of the board

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sid3windr:

but did you get the melon!

[22:08:34]

papertigers:

jams: thanks that did the trick, got the metadata minus the movie poster

[22:08:39]

sphery:

sometimes I saw the cherries

[22:08:41]

kormoc:

sphery, it's also discordian, 'When the cow went moo and no one was enlightened. When the cow went oom, the world fell'

[22:08:56]

kormoc:

*moo, no

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sphery:

now that's deep

[22:09:37]

kormoc:

just remember, to be saved, never eat a hotdog bun on a thursday!

[22:10:38]

sphery:

and no pasta on Sep 16, 2009?

[22:10:53]

gbee:

heh, the subject of Pacman and last night's Wolfenstein 3D, just reminded me of the pacman hidden level where you run around collecting gold goblets cased by the pacman ghosts (in pseudo 3D)

[22:10:58]

sphery:

er, Sep 19, 2009

[22:11:47]

gbee:

chased

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juski:

right. that's the progress indicator in libmyth sorted out. phew

[22:12:09]

sphery:

gbee: you must have been /much/ better at pacman than I

[22:12:22]

kormoc:

"IV – A Discordian shall Partake of No Hot Dog Buns, for Such was the Solace of Our Goddess when She was Confronted with The Original Snub." http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/11.php

[22:12:47]

gbee:

sorry, that was a W3D hidden level which was based on Pacman, rather than a Pacman hidden level

[22:12:50]

juski:

and tomorrow, more fun with xml files. w00t. Not

[22:13:17]

papertigers:

I wish the tv seraching was as nice as xbmc's haha

[22:13:27]

juski:

papertigers: in trunk it is :)

[22:13:36]

kormoc:

papertigers, patches welcome

[22:13:49]

sphery:

where TV searching means metadata grabbing

[22:13:53]

sphery:

not grabbing anything else

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gbee:

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesR . . . le_image.jpg

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sphery:

wonder if that will be in the new one

[22:15:33]

gbee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZn9tX_yeKc

[22:16:14]

papertigers:

juski: i have trunk haha

[22:16:37]

juski:

papertigers: you should really stop whining then

[22:16:51]

papertigers:

juski: I am just playing around with it

[22:16:56]

juski:

yeah yeah

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** juski goes to bed **

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sphery:

papertigers: there's much learning involved

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kormoc:

So go back to xbmc if that's really want you want?

[22:17:29]

papertigers:

juski: if i really wanted to use xbmc i would :P i prefer myth

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** kormoc wonders if papertigers wants his cake and to eat it too **

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sphery:

and it's not done, so it requires your figuring out how to set everything up

[22:18:03]

sphery:

and what to install

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** iamlindoro cracks his knuckles and prepares to beat some patches out of those bitching **

[22:19:39]

meshe:

ls

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gbee:

guys, be nice now

[22:19:53]

sphery:

well, it's official--kormoc's not a unabomber

[22:19:57]

meshe:

wrong window

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** kormoc blinks **

[22:20:19]

kormoc:

sphery, is it cause I bomb twice?

[22:20:25]

sphery:

he said "[have] the cake and eat it too" vesus "eat the cake and have it too"

[22:20:39]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[22:20:44]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_ . . . ber_Reversal

[22:20:54]

gbee:

I don't see anyone bitching, just expressing a desire

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kormoc:

gbee, it's just that it's not constructive...

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gbee:

kormoc: sure, lets just say that though and not start telling people that they shouldn't be using myth or that they should stop whining. A small overreaction to a single comment

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kormoc:

Meh, I think we should discourage the idea that we should just copy what <insert popular media center here> is doing

[22:24:06]

** kormoc shrugs **

[22:24:21]

kormoc:

If they want it done in that style, they should use that program

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kormoc:

Especially when it comes to breaking site's terms of service

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gbee:

I'm not defending those who would have us mirror another application, I'm merely saying that we're all so jaded that we have started to overreact to the slightest thing

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papertigers:

kormoc: i didnt mean so much as lets copy them, but I like how their script works to find the tv shows and episode information, would it be hard to convert their script to mythtv, if not I would look at doing it myself

[22:26:48]

kormoc:

papertigers, or you could look at the existing script that does it called Jamu, which is covered in detail in the wiki

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gbee:

and by overreacting we generally portray the mythtv community as unfriendly etc

[22:27:30]

papertigers:

kormoc: okay I will, id like to do some development for myth , but idk how good I would be at it

[22:28:11]

iamlindoro:

erm, we already *have* a script that works on TV shows and finds episode information

[22:28:16]

iamlindoro:

and it's not even external

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iamlindoro:

well, not a contrib, anyway

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iamlindoro:

Using the exact same source as that other woftware

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iamlindoro:

software

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iamlindoro:

Would be very curious what is perceived to be missing from our TV show handling... Suspect it's more an issue of mass metadata grab than it is of not enough metadata

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iamlindoro:

but instead, home!

[22:30:06]

gbee:

we are generally a nice bunch of people, but I'm concerned that we jump to conclusions regarding peoples motives, assume that everything is user error and generally stomp on people who might deserve it but simply don't know what they did wrong because they weren't here long enough to learn the rules

[22:30:47]

gbee:

I'm as guilty as anyone else

[22:32:48]

gbee:

if no-one else recognises that picture of this channel then I guess I'm wasting my breath

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kormoc:

gbee, no, it's quite true

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** gbee goes to bed **

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papertigers:

jamu is included in trunk correct?

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kormoc:

papertigers, no, read the wiki page on installing it, it has the links to it

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kormoc:

(unless it's changed)

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papertigers:

kormoc, it points to the svn

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** JEDIDIAH__ is content to script around rough edges but figures most can't. **

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papertigers:

got it

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kormoc:

papertigers, no it doesn't, "Click on the follow link to find the jamu script archive: #6440 make sure to download the latest version (v0.3.8) "

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GuySoft:

what does mythtv use to decode the dvb stream?

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papertigers:

kormoc: jamu is only for recorded shows?

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kormoc:

papertigers, nope

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** iamlindoro would still like to know what papertigers feels is missing within myth proper **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ping?

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papertigers:

iamlindoro: what do you mean

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iamlindoro:

papertigers, You said you felt that XBMC handled TV episodes better, I'm asking you what it does that you think myth doesn't

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iamlindoro:

or... not

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sphery:

GuySoft: myth has an Internal player built in that's based on the ffmpeg code (but does not use your system's ffmpeg)

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sphery:

GuySoft: also, you left before getting this earlier: GuySoft: if it doesn't work in Myth in either, it could be the whole, "Myth uses the frequency information in the signal, so if your broadcaster gives wrong info, it won't work in Myth" thing. This can happen with translators(??? don't know if that's the right word) that rebroadcast a signal for another area but on a different frequency.

[23:12:26]

sphery:

meaning if you can't tune a particular channel using myth on any system but it works in VLC

[23:12:29]

mzb:

correct

[23:12:35]

mzb:

(term, I mean)

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sphery:

ah, thanks

[23:12:59]

sphery:

I don't know my DVB-tech

[23:13:06]

mzb:

like the digital version of an analogue relay or repeater

[23:13:10]

sphery:

I'm waiting for the Modern Marvels episode

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mzb:

I believe they're supposed to rewrite the frequency table(?) etc in the stream, but the one I can see doesn't (or didn't) and required manually editing the dvb_multiplex (?) table

[23:15:11]

GuySoft:

sphery, that still won't explain why it works on one myth server/client, and not on the ohter

[23:15:29]

GuySoft:

sphery, it makes me thing its some version of a package

[23:15:39]

sphery:

if that's the case, you'll have to ues trial and error to test things

[23:15:51]

mzb:

no longer such an issue now ... I've moved up the hill so now I can see the main transmitter (VHF 1.2(?)kW) as well as the 300(?)W translator ;)

[23:16:13]

GuySoft:

sphery, is there any package you know mythtv would use in this case?

[23:16:22]

sphery:

it's almost definitely not Myth version--as any versions that would have enough differences to affect that shouldn't work together (i.e. you might see a difference between 0.21-fixes and trunk)

[23:16:38]

mzb:

100% signal strength + 0 BER using a "wooden aerial" split 4 ways ! ... YAY!

[23:16:43]

sphery:

Myth has everything built in, so external packages won't affect it

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sphery:

Freevo is the one that takes external stuff and integrates it

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sphery:

myth takes the opposite approch

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sphery:

mzb: where I'm at, we just don't have hills--works wonders for reception

[23:18:11]

mzb:

ah ... and no view to go with the flatness?

[23:18:28]

kormoc:

the view of the pacific ocean and the ladies don't count?

[23:18:44]

mzb:

um ... well birds of a feather .. ;)

[23:18:47]

sphery:

we have the atlantic ocean

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sphery:

and lots of sand and palm trees

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kormoc:

I thought Mr. Dean was a CA guy?

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sphery:

(though I do prefer the WA/OR hills/mountains)

[23:19:15]

sphery:

nope, FL

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iamlindoro:

He's from California-2, the poor copy

[23:19:26]

iamlindoro:

where they mispronounce it flo-ree-daa

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kormoc:

Ooh, the place where old people go to die

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GuySoft:

sphery, is there anything maybe regarding the mpg4? or the tuner?

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mzb:

GuySoft, have you increased verbosity and tailed the logs?

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sphery:

GuySoft: if it works on one myth box and not the other, it's all myth configuration

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sphery:

GuySoft: meaning pouring over the setup screens to find differences

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mzb:

(assuming it's not something silly like an overclocked machine using nfs mounts without noatime, etc;))

[23:20:50]

sphery:

GuySoft: could be anything from broken storage groups config to broken input connections to video/capture card drivers

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GuySoft:

sphery, i went over it intencely

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GuySoft:

incentively

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mzb:

misapplied motivation?

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mzb:

tail the logs on the suspect machine (remotely)

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GuySoft:

sphery, maybe i should clone the ocnfig?

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GuySoft:

config?

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** mzb goes to find a sledgehammer **

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kormoc:

sphery, http://pastebin.ca/1533175

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kormoc:

sphery, that query will give you a quick report of the different settings on different hosts

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sphery:

GuySoft: no real way to do that... though you could copy frontend settings, for example, there's all sorts of frontend/backend interrelationships that are more likely involved than a simple frontend config

[23:31:30]

kormoc:

sphery, example output, http://pastebin.ca/1533177

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sphery:

could start with kormoc's query, but I'd guess it's something more non-settings-related

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sphery:

like storage groups config or input connections or ...

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sphery:

kormoc: nice

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kormoc:

sphery, figured you'd be a good one to pass that on :)

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sphery:

yeah, that would be quite useful

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sphery:

might be useful to integrate that with jams settings-copying patch

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jams:

hey that would be nice

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kormoc:

jams, let me know if you want it modified :)

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jams:

maybe add a compare option between two hosts

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jams:

i will work on that

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sphery:

jams: thanks...

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sphery:

that would likely help a lot of people

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GuySoft:

sphery, I got a lock!!!

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kormoc:

just add a AND settings.hostname IN ('hostname1', 'hostname2', 'hostnamex') :)

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sphery:

GuySoft: what did you change?

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GuySoft:

sphery, i imported the mysql databse from one computer to another , that did it

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kormoc:

speaking of settings, I owe iamlindoro a trigger too

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sphery:

GuySoft: so these are 2 separate MythTV system? I.e. not communicating with each other?

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sphery:

GuySoft: anyway, when importing a database to a new host, it's critical that you fix hostname properly... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend

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unimaginative:

Is there a script for mythtv that will compare the recordings in the database with the filenames actually on disk, and inform me what files are missing / existing files that aren't in the database?

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sphery:

unimaginative: there are 2, both legacy and unmaintained (but in contrib dir)

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unimaginative:

awesome (I thought "legacy" == "unmaintained") ?

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GuySoft:

sphery, how do i connect now a channel to a xmltv channel guide?

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sphery:

unimaginative: most important thing is step 1: backup DB before using them ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore )

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sphery:

unimaginative: I've worked at a lot of companies that use and continue to maintain legacy systems :)

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sphery:

GuySoft: mythtv-setup or mythweb (or mythfrontend) channel editor

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sphery:

GuySoft: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID

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sphery:

also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup

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unimaginative:

One last question. I"m trying to import some external videos into my database "myth.rebuilddatabase.pl" using the --ext command line option, and I'm getting an error while using it. "http://pastebin.ca/1533184" is this script no longer maintained?

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sphery:

that's one of the 2 legacy, unmaintained scripts for doing what you asked (the other being myth_find_orphans.pl )

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sphery:

unimaginative: though the problem you're seeing is due to lack of prerequisite perl modules

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sphery:

Can't locate Date/Parse.pm

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clever_:

guess my orphan recordings are screwed :P

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unimaginative:

clever_, don't you sass me :)

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unimaginative:

okay, let me install some perl modules

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unimaginative:

date::time is perl, correct?

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unimaginative:

I'm not a perl monkey

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sphery:

I don't know what packages you need for that--someone using your distro would have to help--but Date::Manip and Date::Parse are Perl modules specified with Perl names

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sphery:

the latter being the one you're lacking

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GuySoft:

sphery, http://gnet.homelinux.com/mythweb/

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unimaginative:

I'm just trying to refresh my memery, Date/Parse would correspond to date::parse, you're saying?

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sphery:

sounds reasonable

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sphery:

though I don't know if that's how your distro would actually do it

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sphery:

GuySoft: great, now it's time to properly lock down your MythWeb

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** kormoc goes to mythweb/secretRootKit **

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sphery:

(or someone out there will mess with settings/recordings--possibly filling up your HDD/deleting shows/etc.)

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unimaginative:

I tell you, Mythtv got a LOT more interesting now that I have a frontend capable of HD

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clever_:

sphery: set it to record teletoon and the playboy channel

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clever_:

that should get him added to some special list the feds keep:P

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sphery:

change the name of the playboy channel to Cartoon Network

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** kormoc doubts that the feds care **

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unimaginative:

oh god, haha

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GuySoft:

sphery, where do i set the password?

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sphery:

GuySoft: read the mythweb.conf file

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sphery:

GuySoft: and http://gnet.homelinux.com/mythweb/README

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sphery:

Oh, wait, you have one of those distros that didn't put the README there...

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kormoc:

sphery, a lot of distros strip out the readme files...

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sphery:

yeah

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** kormoc glares at ubuntu **

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sphery:

annoying

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unimaginative:

bah, readme files are just wasted disk space *grin*

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sphery:

kormoc: I heard another packager complaining that it's a security risk to put a README text file in there

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unimaginative:

I know, I know – nothing funny about that

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kormoc:

sphery, erm... why?

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sphery:

can't figure out how a text file is more risky than PHP /code/

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kormoc:

it's not

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sphery:

I didn't understand the argument

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kormoc:

sphery, who was it?

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sphery:

I could look it up to see if I could follow it

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sphery:

a certain packager that packages for a distro you might be very familiar with

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kormoc:

cause god knows I'll toss a <?php include 'root_exploit.php'); ?> in the readme, but I won't in mythweb.php...

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kormoc:

uh oh

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sphery:

I should probably look up the conversation again before I start spreading incorrect rumors

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clever_:

kormoc: the readme wont be passes thru php, so it wont do anything

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** unimaginative kicks gentoo's emerge **

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kormoc:

clever_, no shit? Imagine that...

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