Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 16th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

so if it doesn't in the leadup to .22, I'll swap the bindings

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kormoc:

that'll cause a bit of noise

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iamlindoro:

as the whole idea was consistency in the first place

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** kormoc nods **

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iamlindoro:

personally I like the item-specific stuff on MENU... that's a big fat green button on my remote

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iamlindoro:

INFO is a tiny little thing in the corner

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iamlindoro:

(MCE remote)

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kormoc:

(yeah, I have the same remote, but used to menu being the menu and info being context)

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iamlindoro:

I'll adapt one way or another

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iamlindoro:

Shazam, two minute turnaround on a ticket

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** Captain_Murdoch still loves it when he hears the beeeep of his WOL slave after it is started up by the master backend 5 minutes prior to a scheduled recording. **

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iamlindoro:

A great many people will like that same thing :)

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laga:

Captain_Murdoch: same thing here with acpi wakeup :)

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laga:

although this box is running most of the day anyways

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Captain_Murdoch:

laga, this is on-demand though. so if I schedule a recording that needs one of my 3 WOL slaves, the master will wake the necessary slave up.

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laga:

Captain_Murdoch: all of them, i assume. :)

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laga:

or only one of them?

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Captain_Murdoch:

only one.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the right one.

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laga:

are you using wicked patch magic?

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Captain_Murdoch:

it sends a WOL packet to the slave that needs to be awakend.

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, this is -fixes with a backport of the patch I put in trunk a while back.

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laga:

oh, nice

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laga:

yeah, i remember that patch now

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Captain_Murdoch:

master stays on 24x7, it runs on my fileserver with only the HDHR attached.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and with HDHR multirec, my WOL slave with my air2pc ATSC cards hardly wakes up at all now.

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clever:

id like to get the same thing setup here, but ive never been able to get wol working on the slave system

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laga:

clever: was the steam pressure OK?

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clever:

laga: part of the problem is that grub defaults to windows

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clever:

i need to recompile grub with network support, and then pull the grub config from tftp

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clever:

so i can change the default remotely

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clever:

laga: and no, this is actualy a powerfull slave

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clever:

it has to be powerfull, damn frame grabber :P

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kormoc:

or just edit the grub.conf file to point to the linux as the default...

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kormoc:

but that'd be too simple...

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iamlindoro:

needs MOARLEVERSANDPULLEYS

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iamlindoro:

Counterweights! Someone get me some counterweights!

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clever:

kormoc: linux is stored on NFS

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iamlindoro:

The human head weighs eight pounds

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clever:

kormoc: its just a tiny /boot/ that bootstraps the network boot

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clever:

net booting is broken on that bios

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kormoc:

doesn't matter, you can still point grub at that boot partition just fine

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clever:

kormoc: ok, how do i edit that partition remotely, when its time to boot linux?

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clever:

i want to run a script on the master be, and have it turn itself on and boot linux

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kormoc:

install cygwin, run ssh, mount it in widows on boot, ssh in, edit the grub.conf file, change it, issue a reboot command to windows

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clever:

that could work

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kormoc:

or just don't run windows on a slave backend, as it's insane

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clever:

its dads gamming computer :P

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kormoc:

so give you dad a moment of peace by not destroying it?...

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clever:

and i could do all that without cygwin

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iamlindoro:

or moving out

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iamlindoro:

and getting a job

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iamlindoro:

let him die a happy man

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kormoc:

Or even just taking a shower more then once a week...

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clever:

would be fairly simple to make a c++/qt app that runs on bootup, and checks if i wanted linux

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clever:

mounting /boot/ is painless since its actualy just fat32

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kormoc:

Cause nothing says I love you dad like destroying the last private moment of joy he has left.

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wagnerrp:

i really need to write something that automatically resets the modem...

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clever:

kormoc: i cant use it much right now anyways

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clever:

the alsa drivers are broken so i cant capture audio

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wagnerrp:

why do you need to run a backend on that machine?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt the jobqueue compile under windows now?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: he wants it to capture

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wagnerrp:

because he really needs more framegrabbers?

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kormoc:

well, he needs 24 hours of tv a day to waste the time until he dies

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clever:

kormoc: i can get 24 a day from the pvr150

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clever:

i need 48 hours a day :P

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kormoc:

cause you know, the whole job thing is out of the question, along with productive member of society...

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Captain_Murdoch:

clever, just run VirtualBox on there and give it permission to access the framegrabber. :)

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clever:

Captain_Murdoch: virtualbox isnt very nice to me, last time i used it to run windows under linux, things got unstable

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Captain_Murdoch:

"dad, I don't know why your games are slow now, but here, check out this TV show I recorded last night while you were playing"

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brad3:

evening guys

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laga:

Captain_Murdoch: vbox can't do that

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clever:

things like sleep(1000) would return asap, causing all hell to break loose

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clever:

it made the linux kernel mentaly ill :P

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kormoc:

takes one to know one...

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** iamlindoro sighs and begins working on the MythVideo Playlist "issue" **

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clever:

kormoc: i simply installed virtualbox thru the package manager and used it normaly, never screwed arround with the config

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brad3:

does anyone get the following error when hitting the W key to search for metadata in mythvideo: Video Data Query Failed. Usage: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideos/scripts/tmdb.pl -D

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brad3:

i think i somehow bunged things up, but not sure how or where? :>

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iamlindoro:

You'd need to check the frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

that's just the frontend popup, real diagnostic info is in the log

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iamlindoro:

indicates the grabber script had an issue

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brad3:

checking the frontend logs, it looks like it's trying to execute the tmdb.pl (movie db script), and then the ttvdb script for the tv show

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brad3:

and these things are happening on the tv shows

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iamlindoro:

indicates you have messed up metadata. What's the filename?

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brad3:

and whenever it tries to do the tmdb.pl search on a tv show, i get that usage error message

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brad3:

Big Love S01E01.avi

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iamlindoro:

There's no reason it ever should run tmdb on a tv show

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iamlindoro:

ever

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iamlindoro:

unless you changed settings

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brad3:

that's what i figured :>

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iamlindoro:

Mythvideo settings, page 8

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iamlindoro:

did you change the TV data command?

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brad3:

let me go look, i don't think i changed anything

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iamlindoro:

First item in the list

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iamlindoro:

and fifth

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iamlindoro:

That filename works perfectly here

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brad3:

nope no changes, still refers to ttvdb

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iamlindoro:

ttvdb.py is run on it, returns all metadata

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iamlindoro:

which indicates that you have changed *some* setting or have a broken/modified copy of the code

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brad3:

yeah for me it seems like myth alternatives back and forth between running tmdb and ttvdb.pl on the name

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iamlindoro:

It will *never* do that on untouched code

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iamlindoro:

(and default settings)

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brad3:

hmmm, i will go download latest svn

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iamlindoro:

In fact it is literally prevented from running tmdb.pl in the code

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iamlindoro:

and always has been

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brad3:

downloaded from a couple days ago, but maybe i did something

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iamlindoro:

only reason it would run TMDB would be if you didn't have season and episode values set

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brad3:

set on the filename?

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iamlindoro:

Set in the database

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brad3:

oh wait, i bet that's it

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brad3:

how do i go about doing that?

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iamlindoro:

Scan the file with any version of myth from the past two weeks

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wagnerrp:

if your files do not match some pre-canned format, it seems to load the whole filename into the title

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, That format will be parsed properly

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wagnerrp:

subsequently not having any season or episode numbers

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wagnerrp:

ok

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iamlindoro:

in fact, pretty much all the usual "internet" TV naming formats will be parsed

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brad3:

the other odd thing (and this could totally be me breaking something), but if i hit W a couple of times, it eventually gets the season and ep numbers in, and then does the search proper

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wagnerrp:

well at least a week or so ago, it was failing on 'SxEE – Subtitle.extension'

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brad3:

i'm going to go download latest svn, and will get back to you

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iamlindoro:

brad3, If you scanned any TV material into your DB before TV support went in, you will want to rescan it all so that all the values get parsed

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brad3:

probably just me being stupid

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wagnerrp:

that could have been my problem

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scrash09:

i'm planning to build my 1st myth-tv box. confused about blu-ray — i'm pretty sure to play commercial blu-ray movies, i need a standalone player, NOT a plu-ray reader in a PC, right?

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scrash09:

and, if so, so I set it up to play 'through' the mythtv box, and out to a pc-screen? or do i have to hook it up to a 'real' tv?

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wagnerrp:

ttvdb failed on stuff, and mythvideo dumped all existing data and just make the filename the title

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brad3:

iamlindoro: to rescan it all, i just hit M and select scan for changes?

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wagnerrp:

scrash09: theres a page describing bluray playback in detail on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

brad3, yes, but existing entries need to be removed from the SB first

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iamlindoro:

er DB

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iamlindoro:

brad3, ie you need to move the TV out, scan, leave mythvideo, wait five seconds, move the TV stuff back in, enter mythvideo, scan again

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Bluray

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brad3:

got it

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brad3:

thanks, will try that

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iamlindoro:

leave Mythvideo, wait 5 seconds, re-enter

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scrash09:

wagnerrp: yes, of course. read that already. that's why i'm confused — and asking here.

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gregL_:

iamlindoro, Is there a wiki or web site that explains all the naming schemes and general information on mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, no

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wagnerrp:

under linux, decrypting AACS works just fine

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wagnerrp:

there is marginal support for decrypting BD+

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gregL_:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, *any* standard naming formwat will be parsed by the new improvements to mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

windows with anydvd can do both

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, you name it, I can tell you if it will work

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wagnerrp:

however in ALL cases, you will have to extract the media files, and play them directly

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gregL_:

ia

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, Only oddball one that will not work is silly stuff like /some/path/Showname/Season x/01 – subtitle.ext

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iamlindoro:

but that is retarded :)

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wagnerrp:

even if there were libraries for decoding either of those on-the-fly in linux, mythtv still does not understand the HDDVD or BluRay file structure

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gregL_:

iamlindoro, how about dvds that are a direct rip?

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, multiple episode parsing is not supported (and there's no easy way to do so)

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iamlindoro:

mythvideo expects a 1-to-1 file to episode ratio

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iamlindoro:

But something like "Show Season 1 DVD 1" will never work

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iamlindoro:

as that's not information that can be parsed in any qualitative way

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gregL_:

ah ok i have all my James Bond dvd's ripped and wanted to see if i could get cover art and such..BTW love your theme..

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, James bond isn't a show, it's movies

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, The file just needs to be the movie name there

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iamlindoro:

"Quantum of Solace.iso" will parse and pull down cover art/etc. fine

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wagnerrp:

if you put something like '01 – Dr. No.iso', mythvideo will just get confused

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to go in and manually tweek stuff in that case

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iamlindoro:

well, Mythvideo would parse that as "01 Dr No"

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iamlindoro:

So yeah, you'd need to edit the title thereafter and make it something searchable

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wagnerrp:

and something like '13b – Never Say Never Again.iso'... well mythvideo has no chance there

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iamlindoro:

heh, prefacinf it with any useless value will confuse it, yes :)

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iamlindoro:

er prefacing

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iamlindoro:

But that's the user's fault, not mythvideo's

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gregL_:

So if i turn them in to iso's i can get what i want if i understand you. I have been trying to figure this out on my own and hit a wall..Thanks..

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wagnerrp:

well its not 'useless', its the alternate/unlicensed bond #13

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, If they're movies, the filename just needs to be the movie name and it will work fine

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wagnerrp:

iso is just an extension

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gregL_:

cool thanks

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wagnerrp:

it gets dropped off when mythvideo goes for metadata

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's useless because it's not part of the title of the film-- embedding random pieces of metadata that mean something only to the user would confuse *any* media center app

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro,on #6846, that guy probably just gave his system worse performance if he set rsize/wsize on his nfs mounts.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, feel free to re-open, was just trying to respond promptly

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Captain_Murdoch:

nah, I'm emailing him on the list, just haven't hit send yet. I committed a fix already.

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iamlindoro:

cool

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gregL_:

iamlindoro, I was able to get the scan to work..For some reason i didn't have XML simple installed..It's pretty cool with all the new cool things...Thanks for your effort..

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iamlindoro:

gregL_, np

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wagnerrp:

well that was funky... a little 10/100 switch on my desk lost its uplink

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wagnerrp:

lit up, but no transfer... unplug it, plug it back in, nothing.... plug the cable into another computer, works fine... plug the cable back into the switch, works fine

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iamlindoro:

*cricket*

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** kormoc gets out the bug spreay **

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kormoc:

*spray

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Cyber-Dogg:

howdy :-)

[04:31:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

so I figured out my ati remote wonder

[04:31:12]

Cyber-Dogg:

:-)

[04:31:27]

Cyber-Dogg:

rebuilt the kernel and just built it in, then it worked

[04:32:18]

Cyber-Dogg:

kormoc: you had asked once before to see my alsa setup

[04:32:19]

Cyber-Dogg:

http://pastebin.ca/1531107

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's from alsa-info.sh

[04:32:47]

wagnerrp:

if you manually insert a job into the jobqueue table, can you specify the host that it gets run on?

[04:40:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes

[04:41:08]

wagnerrp:

just fill the 'hostname' field, instead of leaving it blank?

[04:41:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

yep

[04:42:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's exactly what the backend does when you set the "Run Jobs only on original recording backend" setting.

[04:42:50]

wagnerrp:

ah

[04:44:46]

wagnerrp:

each jobqueue just independently polls the table once a minute or so, and grabs the first job that it is allowed to run and doesnt have a conflicting hostname?

[04:45:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

yep. when it goes through the queued job list, it ignores any jobs with a non-empty hostname that isn't equal to it's hostname. if it makes it past that check, it means the hostname is empty (ie, open for any backend to run), or the hostname is set to this backend.

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wagnerrp:

im looking to build some generic export job, capable of exporting to any device or hard drive on any machine running a jobqueue

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Captain_Murdoch:

when I originally wrote that, I didn't want to get into having a master job scheduler, I just let it be a free-for-all on who got the next job, so jobs would continue even if the 'master' was down. theoretically, with locally-accessible storage, you can shutdown all your backends at night with a copy of mythjobqueue still running and still be able to run commflag and transcode jobs. I haven't tried that recently, but beli

[04:48:18]

Captain_Murdoch:

eve that was possible at one time.

[04:48:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

export? you mean move a file?

[04:48:52]

wagnerrp:

i want to set up a second myth system for my parents in their motorhome

[04:49:55]

wagnerrp:

and have some script set up that they shove a hotswappable drive caddy into their frontend, hit 'sync', and it dumps all tagged recordings, videos, music, and relevant metadata onto the harddrive to put on the other system

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wagnerrp:

adds new content, deletes old content

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wagnerrp:

my dad is tired of having to sort through the dvd carousel and fill up a binder before going out for the weekend

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** iamlindoro thinks people should really be reading the freaking commits list and not write to dev when they dont... **

[05:11:09]

kormoc:

++

[05:13:43]

iamlindoro:

god damn irritating

[05:13:59]

iamlindoro:

He managed to question *two* new features in one e-mail to the wrong list

[05:16:51]

clever:

waxhead__: i was thinking of something similar, to sync a laptop and 'tagged' recordings, over wifi

[05:16:56]

clever:

wagnerrp: oops,

[05:17:31]

clever:

wagnerrp: basicaly, a self-contained mythtv 'box' in the van, which pulls recordings from the home wireless when in range

[05:18:55]

wagnerrp:

i was intending more to have a hard drive full of data, and a database script that dumped all existing data and repopulated the necessary files

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kormoc:

Cause nothing says creepier then a guy who spends even more time in his van...

[05:19:18]

wagnerrp:

along with some udev magic to do so on boot, or when the drive was hotplugged

[05:19:47]

wagnerrp:

so that if their needs grew beyond one drive, they could carry two and swap them like optical media

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clever:

kormoc: for if you go on some weekend vacation, you can bring some recordings with you

[05:23:11]

wagnerrp:

for when you take your van... down by the river....

[05:23:41]

wagnerrp:

when youve injured youself, and need to take a break from the motivational speaking

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kormoc:

++

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** iamlindoro is about to lose his s**t **

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kormoc:

just ignore it

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Cyber-Dogg:

kormoc: did you see my alsa output?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yuo were not in a metadata browse mode when you upgraded to a version that included them, were you?

[05:33:17]

iamlindoro:

There's literally no way for that to be the case

[05:33:29]

kormoc:

not that I recall

[05:33:36]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[05:34:41]

iamlindoro:

And I dunno about this guy, but all my Browse By... Cast stuff is accurate... He's saying the specified cast person was not in the films in the folder

[05:34:46]

iamlindoro:

There's also no way for *that* to happen

[05:34:54]

iamlindoro:

outside of he doesn't know who is in his films

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kormoc:

I'd wager on that

[05:35:54]

iamlindoro:

Irritating... I would probably be less irked if he hadn't posted it to -dev

[05:40:45]

kormoc:

In the words of Bender, 'Death to all humans!'

[05:41:54]

iamlindoro:

If he is so clueless as to have no idea that he was toggling new settings, he shouldn't be touching new settings

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iamlindoro:

Actually, I thought of a scenario where he could turn it on

[05:43:05]

eljefe1:

Does anybody have experience with using mouse clicks to control some of myth? or have an idea where to look?

[05:43:30]

kormoc:

eljefe1: turn off the hide the mouse cursor option in the frontends?

[05:43:30]

sphery:

look toward 0.22

[05:43:40]

eljefe1:

i don't want cursor support

[05:43:41]

sphery:

and wait for mythui

[05:43:49]

eljefe1:

my scroll already can change options

[05:43:57]

eljefe1:

I just want to bind one to enter

[05:44:03]

sphery:

can't be done

[05:44:08]

eljefe1:

cmon

[05:44:13]

eljefe1:

breakin my balls here

[05:44:14]

kormoc:

eljefe1: patches welcome

[05:44:22]

kormoc:

eljefe1: money is also welcome

[05:44:29]

eljefe1:

where to look?

[05:44:35]

** kormoc shrugs **

[05:44:41]

eljefe1:

because something is already bound, so something is telling something somewhere

[05:44:59]

sphery:

closest thing you can get now is to set up some other program to receive the mouse click event and then submit it as an Enter keypress to myth

[05:45:00]

kormoc:

I'd start with google personally, around X11 mouse/input architecture

[05:45:18]

eljefe1:

yea i try google before i come here usually

[05:45:26]

eljefe1:

but it was pretty bleak

[05:45:29]

** iamlindoro prevents clueless users from breaking mythvideo **

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sphery:

actually, could probably do it with xmodmap

[05:45:43]

sphery:

but then again, you couldn't use your mouse as a mouse then

[05:45:45]

iamlindoro:

A little worried he'll see the commit and think he found a bug, but we know he doesn't read commits

[05:45:58]

kormoc:

heh

[05:46:32]

eljefe1:

well myth doesn't use mouse anyways

[05:46:43]

sphery:

man xmodmap

[05:46:46]

sphery:

+ google, then

[05:46:53]

sphery:

but note that it will affect X, not Myth

[05:47:10]

sphery:

i.e. xterm and firefox and mplayer and flash and youtube and hulu and ...

[05:47:44]

eljefe1:

yea...

[05:48:19]

sphery:

though if you really want to, you can just have a 2nd mouse that acts as a, er, mouse

[05:48:28]

sphery:

and use the other mouse as a keyboard

[05:48:36]

eljefe1:

its a bluetooth mouse just so i can have simple controls from bed

[05:48:42]

** sphery just hopes it's at least a 2-button keyboard **

[05:48:43]

eljefe1:

just for myth

[05:48:45]

** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

that seems absurd compared to just getting a remote...

[05:49:21]

eljefe1:

I like to try to use what I have?

[05:49:32]

sphery:

sad thing, though, is that with some of today's mice, you could actually make it into a "keyboard" with more buttons than the Apple remote

[05:49:48]

eljefe1:

lol i hate apple...

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

one of them eh...

[05:50:15]

eljefe1:

ah bad week with an xserve, lol thats all

[05:50:38]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Shocking that someone who considers a two button remote control usable wouldn't be into mac aesthetics ;)

[05:50:46]

eljefe1:

installing a php module turned into a chore

[05:50:59]

eljefe1:

its a 5 button thinkpad

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kormoc:

heh, I also find it kinda stupid to laugh out loud while proclaiming hate for something

[05:52:09]

sphery:

5-button as in 2 buttons + scroll wheel button + scroll up + scroll down?

[05:52:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I just updated to MV trunk and am getting "Using Cast Mode" in my logs as well. I

[05:52:48]

kormoc:

hrm

[05:53:00]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Did you happen to go through the video settings recently?

[05:53:03]

kormoc:

Is there a easy way in the MV schema to tell which video file came from which dir in the storage group?

[05:53:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

no

[05:53:06]

Cyber-Dogg:

so anyone have any thoughts on my sound issue? I have alsa working (speaker-test works) but X and myth won't output to it (I have ALSA:default selected)

[05:53:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

don't think so at least.

[05:53:32]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Change it, it should stick and *think* I found the issue but we'll find out within days if I haven't ;)

[05:53:54]

eljefe1:

sphery: it might be more, it has 2 buttons, scroll and the scroll tilts left/right

[05:54:01]

eljefe1:

and clicks

[05:54:16]

eljefe1:

7 inputs possible?

[05:54:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, changed already. didn't stick.

[05:54:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

when I exit and reenter MV, back to cast mode.

[05:54:44]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Can you go to Video settings and change it there?

[05:54:52]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, The default got changed

[05:54:58]

eljefe1:

Cyber: what are you running it on?

[05:54:58]

iamlindoro:

(which is set in the Video settings)

[05:55:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

gentoo

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: and the logs say? (with -v most)

[05:55:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

didn't change.

[05:55:41]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Sorry?

[05:55:46]

iamlindoro:

I don't understand what you mean

[05:55:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

I changed it, but it didn't take

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iamlindoro:

And you went all the way through to finish?

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eljefe1:

Cyber-Dogg: ah sorry, I got mine working with pulse though – you could try it

[05:56:07]

iamlindoro:

That's... odd.. It's working here

[05:56:14]

kormoc:

eljefe1: we don't support pulse

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Captain_Murdoch:

changed to folder, hit enter to get through the end and went back into browse and it was back on cast mode

[05:56:25]

iamlindoro:

That doesn't make sense...

[05:56:27]

iamlindoro:

hang on, checking

[05:56:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

odd, it is changed in settings, but the display is in cast.

[05:56:42]

eljefe1:

well myth through alsa but pulse picks it up

[05:56:45]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: I wish you hadn't told me that LiveTV has to be in the filesystem reporting stuff for users who define LiveTV groups. Now I'm wrestling with whether to fix the patch to not exclude LiveTV just so that the patch is technically correct or whether I'll be able to leave a broken patch on the ticket with a closed/wontfix/SG types are being added soon.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Must have to do with when I reordered the settings alphabetically, Cast comes first

[05:57:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, janneg said he'd take care of that with the SG types patch. look for it in #mythtv scrollback.

[05:57:19]

sphery:

the OC side of me really wants to fix it for the sake of fixing it

[05:57:33]

Cyber-Dogg:

the logs don't seem to indicate any problem

[05:57:36]

kormoc:

eljefe1: pulse has the tendency to introduce multi-second lag into the audio, 0.22 will attempt to disable it, and if we can't, refuse to run, fyi

[05:57:36]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I know he's working on it... that's what I meant by closed/wontfix/SG types are being added soon

[05:58:18]

eljefe1:

oh really, im sorry to hear that. doesn't ubuntu ship with pulse now?

[05:58:47]

sphery:

which is why Myth users choose MythBuntu

[05:59:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I had to exit the frontend and restart to get it to honor the folder mode setting.

[05:59:14]

eljefe1:

i still feel like that is a pretty large user base

[05:59:44]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, that's very odd-- I *think* I've solved the only problem I can think of, which is if a user paged all the way through those settings without changing to folder, it would get stuck on cast

[05:59:57]

kormoc:

eljefe1: it's the piles of bug reports of 'broken audio' or prevent them. We decided to prevent them

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** kormoc shrugs **

[06:00:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

so when you change it in settings and then go into browse, it shows the mode you set in settings?

[06:00:12]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, can you change the value in the settings page now and see if it sticks?

[06:00:25]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yes, just like the default view setting

[06:00:33]

iamlindoro:

ie default mode: Gallery

[06:00:39]

iamlindoro:

default metadata browse: Folder

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Captain_Murdoch:

would be quicker if it didnt' take soooo long to "couldn't find cover image".. :)

[06:01:16]

iamlindoro:

*shrugs*

[06:01:18]

eljefe1:

since mine is still running through alsa but i have pulse will it not run in the next release then?

[06:01:19]

iamlindoro:

didn't write that part

[06:01:44]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, If you change the value now in the settings pages and go through to finish, does it take?

[06:01:44]

kormoc:

eljefe1: afaik, yes, you'll have to remove pulse

[06:02:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, no, it did not take. I changed it to director and it's on folder still.

[06:02:09]

eljefe1:

i'll have to remember not to upgrade

[06:02:33]

iamlindoro:

Well that doesn't make any sense, it works here perfectly with unmodified code

[06:03:21]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Oh well, probably worth updating with my last couple of fixes anyway

[06:03:36]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, But I'm still at a loss for why changing the setting wouldn't take-- it's just like any other setting

[06:03:37]

sphery:

eljefe1 will be the next, "What happens to my SG placement if someone upgrades from a pre-Storage-Groups version of MythTV, as I'm sure there are many of us out there," user (who's still using 0.18.1)

[06:04:07]

sphery:

I really wonder if he actually believes that there are a lot of people using 0.18...

[06:04:11]

kormoc:

If using a broken audio system is that important...

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** kormoc shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Would you mind trying to change that setting?

[06:04:42]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Video Settings->General

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iamlindoro:

page 2

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kormoc:

should I go HEAD first?

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eljefe1:

lol, sorry I don't develop this and live on the bleeding edge? gg guys

[06:04:55]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, sure

[06:05:11]

kormoc:

rgr, give me a few

[06:05:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, same symptons after updating to head again. does this settings page clear the settings cache?

[06:06:07]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I have no idea

[06:06:19]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Thing is, it's updating fine for me here

[06:06:25]

iamlindoro:

and I'm not using any patches at all

[06:08:43]

kormoc:

eljefe1: the funny thing about that statement is, you are living on the edge using pulse, it's the newest of the new, with many known issues and compatibility problems, and then complain that we expect you to stay stable by saying we are expecting you to be on bleeding edge... the irony...

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, To try something totally oddball, how about going to Video Settings->General, page 1, and changing the default view instead

[06:10:42]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Then re-enter the settings page and see if that change takes

[06:10:55]

iamlindoro:

That way it's a setting unrelated to anything I've been working on

[06:11:29]

Cyber-Dogg:

I have one thing in the log that says NVP: disabling audio params(-1,2,44100)

[06:12:29]

Cyber-Dogg:

I also see mixer unable to find control Master 1

[06:13:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

I changed that earlier to gallery. the setting in the settings page is taking, but I think the old value is cached still in the settings cache (which the settings page doesn't use)

[06:14:36]

Cyber-Dogg:

also, I'm trying to use 6200ch

[06:14:43]

Cyber-Dogg:

what do I need int he external channel change command

[06:14:48]

Cyber-Dogg:

just 6200ch?

[06:14:55]

Cyber-Dogg:

or is it something like 6200ch [num]

[06:14:57]

Cyber-Dogg:

?

[06:15:15]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, So just so I understand, when you change the Metadata Browse Mode setting in the settings page, and re-enter the settings page, *that* at least is taking, right?

[06:15:30]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, It's just the view in MythVideo?

[06:15:34]

iamlindoro:

(that is not?)

[06:16:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes.

[06:16:28]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, If that's so, I *still* don't understand, as I can change a setting in the settings page and go right to mythvideo and it shows

[06:16:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

I just added some calls to disable the cache and reenable it around each *settings.exec() in main.cpp. testing again.

[06:17:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

working now.

[06:17:50]

iamlindoro:

This doesn't make sense... It can change settings and enter and see them in effect right away

[06:18:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

you shouldn't be able to though because those values should be cached.

[06:18:17]

iamlindoro:

*shrug*

[06:18:19]

iamlindoro:

works, though

[06:18:25]

iamlindoro:

And always has

[06:18:32]

eljefe1:

can myth take inputs from compiz?

[06:18:44]

kormoc:

Myth doesn't support compiz

[06:19:23]

eljefe1:

heh, is that going to break in the next release too?

[06:19:31]

Cyber-Dogg:

kormoc: I get errors about not finding Master 1

[06:19:38]

kormoc:

no, but it's fairly broken in the current and future releases

[06:19:40]

Cyber-Dogg:

which seems right, because I always see master 0 in amixer

[06:19:51]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: so change the mixer device?

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eljefe1:

im a lucky duck.

[06:22:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, can you run mythfrontend with "-v database" and see if you see the settings cache enable/disable/clearing messages around when you go into the settings screen? maybe it's somehow related to the menu theme.

[06:22:51]

Cyber-Dogg:

would it be ALSA:master0?

[06:23:09]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yes, I do

[06:23:17]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Settings cache is cleared on entry

[06:23:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

and you're using default menu theme?

[06:23:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'll revert my changes and verify that I don't.

[06:23:41]

iamlindoro:

yep

[06:24:40]

Cyber-Dogg:

I'm not sure how to tell it Master0 instead of Master1

[06:24:43]

kormoc:

eljefe1: well, if you wouldn't be using such bleeding edge software...

[06:25:10]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: no, there's a setting to use PCM rather then master, toggle that and see if it works

[06:25:16]

eljefe1:

the latest ubuntu release.

[06:25:21]

Cyber-Dogg:

I have that on

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kormoc:

then turn it off

[06:25:38]

kormoc:

else you have to muck with your asound.conf

[06:26:00]

kormoc:

eljefe1: as I said, bleeding edge, they enable anything that's 'ooh shiny' no matter what affect it has on other things...

[06:26:14]

kormoc:

why go with stable software when you can have shine!

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, that's it, it's somehow related to menu theme.

[06:26:26]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Well, one less thing to worry about :)

[06:26:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

changed back to default and I get the cache cleared.

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kormoc:

huh

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, That said, I tried on a fresh frontend and did end up with Cast browse by default

[06:26:49]

iamlindoro:

which really weirds me out

[06:26:59]

Cyber-Dogg:

still says opening alsa audio device default

[06:27:08]

Cyber-Dogg:

mixer unable to find control Master1

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kormoc:

so what's your mixer set to?

[06:30:18]

Cyber-Dogg:

I've tried several things...

[06:30:20]

Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:default

[06:30:21]

Cyber-Dogg:

default

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kormoc:

what does the wiki page say to use?

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Cyber-Dogg:

and then for mixer controls, PCM and Mixer

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Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:default

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, trying a fix now, it's silly but maybe I just don't understand Qt settings well enough

[06:33:50]

iamlindoro:

Heh

[06:33:57]

iamlindoro:

That was it... that doesn't make sense, but...

[06:34:17]

iamlindoro:

Move the folder option back to the top in globalsettings.cpp and the defaults work fine again

[06:37:56]

Cyber-Dogg:

I still think that it's not a myth issue

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Cyber-Dogg:

because if I run speaker-test from console, it works

[06:38:14]

Cyber-Dogg:

if I run speaker-test while X is running, it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Think you can test a fix for me?

[06:39:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah. also, found the issue. with DVR theme, I have video settings in 2 places on the menu. 1 clears the cache, the other doesn't.

[06:39:42]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, delete the mythvideo.db_group_type setting for the host in question

[06:39:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

need to figure out why now.

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Captain_Murdoch:

gone.

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Captain_Murdoch:

done

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1531195

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, For some reason I cannot figure out, getting the setting by integer value gets it by it's physical location in that list, not by the numerical values

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, folder was default.

[06:44:12]

eljefe1:

just for info, imwheel can be used to control myth with a mouse. just dont forget to turn it off or your buttons do weird things...

[06:44:33]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Great, thanks

[06:44:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

put "0" in quotes. :)

[06:44:50]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Heh, should have known...

[06:45:23]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Oh well, will just unalphabetize them tonight so an immediate fix is in, and sort out the rest tomorrow

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eljefe1:

actually imwheel can be set to active in certain programs so it shouldnt!

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Captain_Murdoch:

each "could not find cover image" hits my DB 4 times looking up storage group info.

[06:52:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

the count at the bottom of the screen "1 of 47" starts counting on the "goto parent item" item so the first video is '2 of 47'

[06:53:29]

iamlindoro:

Yes, know about the counter

[06:53:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

in graphite gallery mode that is.

[06:53:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok. :)

[06:53:36]

iamlindoro:

it's not a theme issue

[06:53:48]

iamlindoro:

I'll fix the counter tomorrow

[06:53:53]

iamlindoro:

(though it's been that way for ages)

[06:54:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

have you ever run it without any images? should there be a default 'cover', it's just a blank area with the highlight moving around.

[06:54:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

no biggie, just something I noticed.

[06:54:30]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I think default covers are ugly :)

[06:54:39]

iamlindoro:

so more of a taste thing, I guess :)

[06:54:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

just something to indicate that it's not broken.

[06:54:51]

iamlindoro:

No giant question marks for me

[06:55:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

it looks weird the highlight moving around the screen and the titles changing but nothing showing up down below.

[06:55:09]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, So press W :)

[06:55:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

am doing that. :)

[06:59:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

next question, why did it create a 'metadata' directory and start stuffing stuff in there instead of to one of my storage groups?

[07:00:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

that's not even under my Videos SG.

[07:00:28]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Which metadata do you mean?

[07:00:57]

iamlindoro:

I haven't applied my patch to download metadata to SGs yet

[07:01:10]

iamlindoro:

so the only option is to download to the local setting dirs ATM

[07:01:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

my Videos' SG is /nas/video1/video/videos, my images SG's are all /nas/video1/images/blah. images it downloaded went into /nas/video1/metadata/posters/

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Captain_Murdoch:

videoartworkdir. hmmm

[07:02:27]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, yep

[07:02:34]

iamlindoro:

and mythvideo.fanartdir, etc.

[07:02:48]

iamlindoro:

mythvideo.screenshotdir, mythvideo.bannerdir

[07:02:50]

iamlindoro:

and so on

[07:04:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

so current code goes up to the parent of your video dir and creates a dir and subdirs under that for the default values?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, no, it defaults to your conf dir + /MythVideo/fanart

[07:05:29]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[07:05:36]

iamlindoro:

Just as the coverfile always did the same

[07:05:47]

iamlindoro:

Everything behaves just as the parallel settings always have

[07:06:00]

iamlindoro:

for most people that is ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/etc.

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** Captain_Murdoch doesn't remember setting up metadata dirs, but "ls -al" says he must have 2 months ago. **

[07:06:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

so I have been in settings before. :)

[07:06:39]

** iamlindoro feels absolved ;) **

[07:09:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

sorry about that. I have no clue when I did that (other than "ls -al" showing me it was June 3 @2:00AM)

[07:10:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

must be why I don't remember.

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

This BP guy is getting on my nerves

[07:11:06]

iamlindoro:

I am not responding to his e-mail if he can't even take it to -users

[07:11:12]

iamlindoro:

instead, I'll go to bed

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: night

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** kormoc waits for the flood of tickets about interactive mode not working with crtl+alt+shift+modifiers **

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luwsr:

hi

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luwsr:

w00t!! compiling mythtv as we speak

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luwsr:

anybody using the backported vdpau??

[07:49:47]

luwsr:

is it worth it?

[07:49:55]

luwsr:

I got nvidia cards

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luwsr:

vdpau capable

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luwsr:

hello?

[07:52:57]

kormoc:

We don't support the VDPAU backport

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juski:

iamlindoro: re MENU/INFO can you think of any other places they bring up menus? Tempted to track some more down & squish to just MENU a la context ;-)

[07:57:16]

juski:

I remember seeing something in the guide I was bemused by. INFO bringing up 'recording options'. I'd much rather see DETAILS or else have INFO renamed

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kormoc:

Info is information about the selected item, Menu is the menu of the mode you're in

[07:59:15]

kormoc:

that's the traditional split (previously at least)

[07:59:42]

juski:

yeah but calling it 'info' is a choice like 'video sources' IMHO

[07:59:55]

kormoc:

Ooh?

[08:00:15]

juski:

well, a menu which relates to something you've got selected is not INFORMATION as such

[08:01:59]

kormoc:

I think it's been called info cause it's the other button on the remote :)

[08:02:02]

juski:

it's just a keybinding name, but hey. I'll have a pop at it & see if it can't be squished into one menu nicely like I did with the PBB

[08:03:21]

juski:

the bad thing about all this is that it will result in some people needing to use more keypresses in some cases. I'd rather it didn't

[08:03:49]

luwsr:

don't support the vdpau backport as mythtv will never support it?

[08:03:59]

juski:

luwsr: you got it

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juski:

in 0.21-fixes

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's an INFOrmational menu

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luwsr:

oO

[08:04:27]

juski:

what will be 0.22 supports VDPAU

[08:04:34]

luwsr:

ah ok

[08:05:33]

kormoc:

hrm

[08:05:42]

kormoc:

DVD iso playback is broken in -trunk

[08:05:52]

kormoc:

it will only play the disk in the drive, not the ISO anymore

[08:06:39]

juski:

anyway whatever it is I'm still up for improving it. I don't have enough menu buttons for DETAILS, INFO and MENU, with everything else I need buttons for

[08:07:22]

juski:

I'm no '6 button' advocate though ;-)

[08:07:38]

kormoc:

heh

[08:07:50]

kormoc:

so my laptop makes an awesome wireless keyboard for myth now

[08:08:21]

kormoc:

I wonder if we can get the telnet interface added to mythtv-setup

[08:08:55]

juski:

lirc works with mythtv-setup, so why not?

[08:09:18]

Captain_Murdoch:

I just run x11vnc on all my frontends

[08:09:41]

juski:

that reminds me. has 'run mythfilldatabase' been moved out of mythfrontend yet?

[08:10:02]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: that's a bit rough with the opengl painter

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: and I just realized that your nick could be a A-Team reference

[08:12:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, x2x then

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Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, exactly :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

howling mad

[08:12:22]

kormoc:

:)

[08:12:38]

kormoc:

I'm not sure x2x works with the darwin X11 version, I'll have to give that a go

[08:13:20]

Saviq:

hello guys, an update to my gentoo system made my mythfrontend segfault :/ what can I do to pinpoint the problem?

[08:13:34]

kormoc:

follow the debugging wiki page?

[08:15:09]

juski:

did mythtv get updated too? maybe updating a lib mythtv is linked to without updating mythtv...

[08:15:16]

Saviq:

that will probably be a good place to start, thanks

[08:15:26]

kormoc:

(revdep-rebuild)

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Saviq:

juski: well that's probable, but revdep-rebuild didn't help

[08:15:45]

juski:

ah, just asking :)

[08:16:02]

Saviq:

sure

[08:16:20]

juski:

updating always tends to break stuff, so I try to avoid it

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Dibblah:

Saviq: gdb and get a backtrace.

[08:21:09]

Saviq:

Dibblah: yes, working up to it, need to recompile with debug flags

[08:21:15]

Dibblah:

Has anyone successfully got flash etc working in trunk mythbrowser?

[08:21:22]

Dibblah:

Saviq: Not debug – profile.

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Dibblah:

Debug is likely to cause you other issues.

[08:22:42]

kormoc:

Dibblah: yes

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Dibblah:

Hmm. On a recent QT version.

[08:23:09]

kormoc:

Dibblah: you need the debug flag (and release type) for Gentoo to get a valid GDB

[08:23:39]

Dibblah:

Is it actually using profile?

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kormoc:

Dibblah: yes, 4.5.1

[08:24:01]

kormoc:

Dibblah: with the +profile build, yes, it uses profile, with +debug, it uses debug

[08:24:12]

kormoc:

and with neather, it uses release

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Dibblah:

I'm on 4.4.3...

[08:24:44]

kormoc:

I think 4.5.0+ is required

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Dibblah:

Which I thought was the requirement for plugins.

[08:24:51]

Dibblah:

Ah, that explains it :)

[08:26:32]

** Dibblah wonders again about pessimising Myth. **

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Dibblah:

ie always using profile, reducing optimisation levels for bits of Myth that are non-critical path.

[08:27:51]

kormoc:

what does it gain the end user?

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Dibblah:

For the profile bit? Always having a debuggable binary.

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Dibblah:

Which can be leveraged through a crash handler, like most distros now have.

[08:28:47]

juski:

right then. time to start pretty-fying the default & default-wide music-ui.xml screens

[08:28:50]

** kormoc shrugs **

[08:29:41]

kormoc:

I just don't see the point in the hundreds/thousands of automated crash reports that likely won't have any context

[08:31:09]

luwsr:

mm... I aint got room for the database

[08:31:28]

kormoc:

if the database is too large, you likely don't have any room for TV as well...

[08:31:59]

Saviq:

juski, kormoc: does http://pastebin.ca/1531259 tell you anything? except for that I'm missing debugging info from qt, lirc etc.?

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juski:

Saviq: I'm no use at looking at backtraces

[08:32:36]

juski:

not much use even looking at code :P

[08:32:53]

luwsr:

I have 3 virgin terabytes awaiting. But I am trying to put zfs on them.

[08:33:04]

kormoc:

Saviq: what's the logs say? and you likely have to drop pulse audio too :)

[08:33:11]

luwsr:

that's the only thing holding me back ATM

[08:33:14]

kormoc:

luwsr: so you don't have 200 megs free?

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Saviq:

I'm starting to suspect some GL problems

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luwsr:

oh yes more than that

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kormoc:

so why do you say you don't have room for the database?

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luwsr:

85GB

[08:34:22]

luwsr:

that's enough to get started?

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Dibblah:

Saviq: glXWaitX

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Saviq:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1531262

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Saviq:

that's all I get in the log

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luwsr:

can I change or completely rebuild the database later on?

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kormoc:

Saviq: run with -v all?

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luwsr:

I am impatient to set this up

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kormoc:

luwsr: the database isn't going to grow beyond 500 megs anytime soon for you(assuming semi-typical usage)

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Dibblah:

Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/355242

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luwsr:

ok

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luwsr:

so 3TB is an overkill?

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Saviq:

kormoc: pulse never caused me any problems with myth and I need it for my BT headset and such

[08:36:46]

kormoc:

luwsr: no... There's a difference between the database and the video files

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Saviq:

Dibblah: thanks a bunch

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kormoc:

Saviq: just fyi, 0.22 will likely not run without you removing it/over-riding the pulse failure code

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juski:

wtf? code is saying trans-background.png isn't found but music-ui.xml isn't calling for it

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Saviq:

kormoc: ouch

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juski:

pulse support was removed because lots of people were having a/v sync issues – pulse just can't be guaranteed to have low enough latency

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Saviq:

Dibblah: do you happen to know if the fix was taken upstream?

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juski:

ahh. it's that bloody fleximage stuff from the old ui code

[08:42:17]

juski:

fleximage="yes"><filename>foo.png</filename> makes it look for a file called "trans-foo"

[08:43:06]

juski:

how soon I forgot about that kink

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juski:

erm.. I guess deleting playlists has always been off the menu?

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Saviq:

Dibblah: thanks again, it works with newer mesa

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Dibblah:

:)

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Saviq:

except for that it seems to have lost acceleration from nvidia... but I may need to rebuild the drivers etc.

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Saviq:

hmm guys now after I got mythfrontend to at all work, the UI is dead slow – like it could not use the 3d acceleration of my nvidia card, glxinfo says direct rendering yes, glxgears seems to work fine, too

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juski:

so try it with mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt & see if it's any better

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Saviq:

yep, much so

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Saviq:

only uglier

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juski:

you running trunk or something?

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juski:

the painter shouldn't make much difference to the appearance in either case in noticable terms

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Saviq:

no, 0.21-fixes

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juski:

with either painter all the image scaling is done with qt as the images are loaded, then cached

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juski:

there's nothing in the gl painter that makes images 'pop' more or less than with the qt painter ;)

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Saviq:

no, I mean the fonts

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Saviq:

they look worse

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Saviq:

not the images

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juski:

can't say I've noticed a big improvement either way

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Saviq:

it might be due to my resolution (I'm using a VGA > SCART conversion for the time being)

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juski:

anyway maybe you've still only got software gl.

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Saviq:

well that was my primary suspect but shouldn't glxinfo tell me about it?

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juski:

should do

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juski:

glxinfo |grep render

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juski:

looking for 'direct rendering: Yes'

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Saviq:

yes, I mentioned that I have that

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juski:

open source or 'nvidia' driver ?

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Saviq:

nvidia

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juski:

no good reason for it then, other than maybe a compile time config issue

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juski:

the ui being slow under the gl painter is a symptom of only having software gl AFAIK – but yours isn't – so I dunno what it could be

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Saviq:

probably a broken hardware gl... well, I'm fighting on

[10:04:05]

rek:

should i see my card on dev/ ?

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rek:

hi

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juski:

yes generally you should see your tuners in /dev/video$

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juski:

or /dev/dvb depending on the kind of tuner it is

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juski:

if your tuner card isn't getting a device node in /dev then there's a problem with the driver. dmesg will give you clues

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juski:

ugh ffs. somebody going on about a 'plugin' they've written. It's not a plugin. It's a nasty hack which writes menu XML files!

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juski:

now I want to *kill* all the old themes in a fire

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juski:

oh wait, Terra & graphite should see them off

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rek:

juski

[10:55:56]

juski:

what

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rek:

the modules i think...has been loaded

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rek:

dmesg

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juski:

so are you getting an entry for a /dev/video$device ?

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rek:

there's a file in dev alled vide0

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Saviq:

rek: try removing the module and adding it back again and see what dmesg says

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Saviq:

rek: there's your device

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juski:

rek: ok, remind me what kind of tuner it is again

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rek:

i and mindows worked hard yesterday

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rek:

lifeview hybrid pci lv3h

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juski:

so which part do you want to use? analogue or digital?

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juski:

you can't easily use both

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rek:

dvb,analogic,fm tuner and audio video acquiring card

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rek:

not both?

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rek:

analogic

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rek:

and of course vvideo in for my sourveliance camera

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juski:

on hybrid cards you can only use one part – analogue OR digital at any one time

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rek:

http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7adf1e8a

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rek:

ok

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rek:

can i use mmy sourveliance camera? composite

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juski:

"Your board isn't known (yet) to the driver"

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juski:

bad news

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rek:

there's a wale of thing in dmesg

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juski:

means the driver hasn't been able to identify your card

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rek:

bad news... it needs mending

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rek:

hello dear

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Saviq:

rek: maybe update your kernel?

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rek:

maybe

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rek:

i have hardy LTS

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juski:

oof

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Saviq:

ouch

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juski:

that's *old*

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rek:

good?

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Saviq:

rek: was the card even in production when hardy came out?

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rek:

thought was good...it's lts ubuntu developer love thier creature

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juski:

hardy heron is older than your tuner card

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Saviq:

rek: still, it won't get new software unless there are real security issues

[11:05:58]

rek:

uhm...maybe because the chip is used in a lot of card i think

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juski:

the chip is used in a lot of cards YES

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Saviq:

the chip is one thing, the card is another

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juski:

but if the driver cannot identify your card...

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rek:

we must update some libraries

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Saviq:

rek: you need to upgrade your kernel... and well, best upgrade your system

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Saviq:

hardy is what? 8.04?

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juski:

you must run a newer kernel, or else build the v4l modules yourself

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rek:

however i have the cd of jaunty... but if i press enter install... nothing happens..must re-burn the cd

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Saviq:

rek: if it's a clean install, go the easy way and get jaunty

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rek:

v4l i think is a type of card i was trying to set in mythtv

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Saviq:

rek: but v4l itself didn't recognize it

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rek:

have u got jaunty?

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Saviq:

no, I'm on gentoo

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rek:

should i use gentoo ?

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juski:

rek: is your card in this list? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#LifeView

[11:08:41]

Saviq:

rek: no, just use a newer version of a distribution of your choice

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juski:

rek: no, based on what you've told us so far you should NOT use gentoo

[11:09:49]

rek:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LifeView_FlyDVB-T_Hybrid but it's a little bit different i think

[11:10:18]

juski:

what was the name of the card on the box or in the manual?

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rek:

mine is the card with the remote control and also... in my box i read hybrid pci lv3h

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rek:

hybrid pci lv3h on the manual

[11:11:03]

rek:

spent 54.90 euro

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Saviq:

lol

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mindoms:

the problem is, his card is not in this: list: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=file;file=l . . . -1;style=raw

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mindoms:

so never v4l wont help much, i am afraid...

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juski:

it's an SAA based card, I thought

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rek:

pretty much 55 euro uh?

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Saviq:

rek: how's that relevant?

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rek:

can i paste 3 linees?

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rek:

lines*

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rek:

dunno Saviq

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mindoms:

lspci said it was cx2388x.

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rek:

02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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rek:

02:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05)

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rek:

02:0a.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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juski:

meh

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mindoms:

..and there was a driver loaded, as the /dev/video0 device was created. the dvb part was not loaded

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juski:

well done for buying a card that linux does not support

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mindoms:

.... as ssen in lshw for example

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rek:

video0 is an empty file i think

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Saviq:

it's not a file...

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rek:

so should i upgrade my distro?

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mindoms:

but, is it possible that it is just a rebrand of one of the cards on the list? then maybe this might work, i suppose:

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mindoms:

http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/problems.html#undetected

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juski:

try installing tvtime & see if you can use the tuner

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rek:

already done

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rek:

says no tuner

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rek:

Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml

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rek:

Reading configuration from /home/riccardo/.tvtime/tvtime.xml

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rek:

videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Invalid argument

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rek:

videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Invalid argument

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juski:

is your user in the 'video' group?

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rek:

don't know how i caould do that

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rek:

could*

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mindoms:

type "id" again and look if video is listed

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rek:

ah

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mindoms:

and show the output of ls -l /dev/video*

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rek:

id

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rek:

uid=1000(riccardo) gid=1000(riccardo) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(pl ugdev),107(fuse),109(lpadmin),115(admin),129(mythtv),130(sambashare),1000(riccar do)

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juski:

is mythbackend running?

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rek:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 2009-08–16 13:16 /dev/video0

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rek:

eh...how can i... sudo iotop ?

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juski:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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juski:

god I'd forgotten how awful The Art Of Noise were

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juski:

oooo we've got a sampler wooooooooooooooooooo!

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rek:

mythtv 6215 1 0 11:51 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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rek:

riccardo 8063 8046 0 13:20 pts/2 00:00:00 grep mythbackend

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juski:

rek: that is why tvtime couldn't access the card

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juski:

mythbackend was trying to use it

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rek:

sudo kill 6215

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rek:

?

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mindoms:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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elmojo:

gbee: re: BBC HD – thought this discussion might interest you -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1313688#post1313688

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rek:

done

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rek:

sudo tvtime?

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juski:

no

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juski:

tvtime

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mindoms:

cause your user is in the video group, no need for sudo...

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elmojo:

gbee: the author of RipBot264 seems to think it's pure progressive marked as interlaced which I didn't know existed and I think I remember you mentioning

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rek:

ohh....

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rek:

damit

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rek:

nit

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rek:

damn.... black and white......camera

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mindoms:

lol. so it works? black/white is because of wrong cable... most likely

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juski:

rek: wait a minute. do you want to use mythtv to record your CCTV camera?

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juski:

if you do, FORGET IT

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mindoms:

i recomendet this last night. getting the cam to work is easier just as proof that the card works

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juski:

ah

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rek:

no no low color only...... oh damn it works but i choose composite 2 .....record if i want juski

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rek:

at least i want to display something

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rek:

why forget it?

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juski:

because mythtv is not a VCR, that's why

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juski:

it's a DVR/PVR – designed to make *scheduled* recordings

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rek:

i don't her the audio

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rek:

heare

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rek:

hear

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rek:

if i aim the camera to the rt i see 8 monitor lol i see only one

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rek:

crt*

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mindoms:

juski: wouldnt "watching" video-in make sense, like playing xbox or something? ... or would the buffering just be an overkill?

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rek:

why it is so low colored?

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rek:

Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml

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rek:

Reading configuration from /home/riccardo/.tvtime/tvtime.xml

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rek:

videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Invalid argument

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rek:

why?

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rek:

i aim the camera to my tv in order to watch tv in my bedroom with ubuntu

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mindoms:

lol. that is not an option

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juski:

xbox through the live tv buffer? Hahahahahaha

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juski:

and NO, I personally wouldn't favour mythtv for just *watching* *anything*

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juski:

not even if I wanted to record what I am watching 'live'

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mindoms:

mhm. well. looks like his tuner is still unusable.... now there should start the modprobe module [options] / modprobe -r module part. right?

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juski:

oh yeah that's gonna be no end of fun

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juski:

try any of 255 options until he hit one which works

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rek:

how can i watch tv

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mindoms:

would running a jaunty live-session, installing livetv and trying to watch tv be an option. just to see if the new kernel might help?

[11:45:03]

rek:

could be

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rek:

or mythbuntu 9.04 too

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rek:

must install my camera on my cat too...

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juski:

you can't do that

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mindoms:

there are tiny wireless cams out there...

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brad3:

hey guys, i'm trying to updgrade to the latest svn (i was using one from a week ago). It has to upgrade the database schema, so i'm running mythtv-setup

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juski:

brad3: good

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brad3:

i keep getting this error message: 2009-08–15 22:43:54.320 Waiting for Database Backup to complete.

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brad3:

and then it eventually times out

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brad3:

any advice?

[11:49:40]

juski:

probably a good idea to make sure the user you run mythtv-setup as has write permission to the dir the backup will be placed

[11:49:44]

rek:

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . TRK:MEWNX:IT look i bought this

[11:50:05]

juski:

or just run mythtv-setup as the same user you run mythbackend as normally

[11:50:27]

rek:

why? just install it n the top of the cat to see where it goes

[11:50:38]

rek:

seen my card?

[11:51:48]

rek:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Lifeview_FlyDVB-T_Hybrid

[11:51:59]

rek:

it says it's supported

[11:54:05]

rek:

they sold me the wrong card

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rek:

oh damnit

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brad3:

gonna go reboot, brb

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lyricnz:

Anyone using munin with mythtv?

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brad3:

hey guys

[12:06:13]

brad3:

juski thanks for the advice, you were right.. sometimes my nfs mounts hang for no apparent reason

[12:06:21]

brad3:

so when it was trying to write the backup, it just hung there

[12:07:10]

rek:

oh mindoms!!! they sold me the wrong device!!!

[12:11:47]

juski:

lyricnz: wth is munin ?

[12:12:01]

brad3:

did the key to bring up the menu change in the latest svn? M in mythvideos doesn't seem to work for me anymore?

[12:12:06]

lyricnz:

juski: http://mail.planet-ian.com/munin/planet-ian.c . . . .html#Mythtv

[12:12:40]

juski:

lyricnz: doesn't explain what it is

[12:12:59]

lyricnz:

It's the data collection and graphing tool that drew those graphs

[12:13:18]

lyricnz:

The url above kindof answers my questions – I'm looking at that data-collection script now

[12:13:32]

juski:

so unless somebody made those images themselves, I'd guess it can be made to work

[12:14:17]

juski:

collecting stats for the sake of it. sigh

[12:15:32]

lyricnz:

I reasonably often have problems with my grabber dieing, and running out of EPG – so monitoring/alerting based on the amount of EPG available makes sense for me

[12:15:58]

** lyricnz already collects system information stats on machines on his lan anyway (CPU, disk free, IO etc), so can catch any runaway or unexpected behaviour, and plan resources better **

[12:16:24]

sid4windr:

juski: uh yeah, why else would you make stats if not for the sake of it :)

[12:16:34]

brad3:

juski: have you ever had the problem scanning videos into mythtv, where it mis-interprets the S01E02 as part of the title name, and doesn't realize it is a tv ep?

[12:19:16]

brad3:

nevermind, seems to work now

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tzanger:

has anyone in here used myth's 1394 implementation with Rogers Cable (in Ontario, Canada) ?

[13:43:28]

tzanger:

there are some reports on the wiki but they're fairly old

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iamlindoro:

Heh, kormoc going to town again on mythweb

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iamlindoro:

brad3, M and I are still the menu keys in MythVideo

[14:11:39]

iamlindoro:

though their options have all moved around to match watch recordings

[14:11:54]

iamlindoro:

"M" will only work when on an actual video item, not on the "Video Home" or a folder node

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iamlindoro:

That *may* change if I get playlists done in time for .22, but for now, the only item that would show up on pressing "M" on a folder would be DELETE, and I'm making the judgment call that I don't want to hear a bunch of complaints that users accidentally deleted whole folders of things since the same muscle memory as the old play would do that

[14:17:43]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: It is always prudent to protect a user from themselves when it comes to a one-way actions.

[14:18:07]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, damned if I do, damned if I don't in this case :)

[14:18:39]

RDV_Linux:

Error on the side of caution.

[14:18:44]

iamlindoro:

If it's not that, it's messages from people using < 7 day old features telling me how I reduced their WAF w/ bugs in baby code :)

[14:19:03]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-August/065770.html

[14:19:09]

RDV_Linux:

I read a;; of that this morning.

[14:19:21]

RDV_Linux:

s/a;;/all/

[14:19:58]

RDV_Linux:

If he wants a high WAF then do not use trunk.

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iamlindoro:

as gbee told him... In fact, I was very relieved that there was already a response to that, I didn't even get steamed about it

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RDV_Linux:

Good

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... it occurs to me that I could fairly easily add a "play Folder" option, though

[14:23:56]

iamlindoro:

Could rig that up in just a few minutes

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, the mythweb interactive remote mode is awesome

[15:34:12]

iamlindoro:

(new) interactive remote mode, that is

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iamlindoro:

sphery, rainy day?

[15:39:08]

iamlindoro:

Good day to stay out of the hurrican and work on Myth ;)

[15:39:14]

iamlindoro:

hurricane, that is

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GreyFoxx:

Interactive remote mode?

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GreyFoxx:

Telnet interface ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, kormoc added a keypress passthrough for the Mythweb remote

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GreyFoxx:

nice :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, so put it in "interactive mode" and start typing :

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's neat

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rek:

GreyFoxx: like in metalgear solid

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rek:

grey..they sold me hybrid pci lv3h as Lifeview FlyDVB-T Hybrid

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GreyFoxx:

metalgear solid... wtf are you talking about ?

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GreyFoxx:

Or was that meant for someone else ?:)

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rek:

it's a game

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rek:

however

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rek:

grey..they sold me hybrid pci lv3h as Lifeview FlyDVB-T Hybrid

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rek:

they're crazy

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GreyFoxx:

I know, I have the game. I just didn't know why you mentioned it :)

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Hoxzer:

:-)

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Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: Do you game on PC ?

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Hoxzer:

I think I need something to do for fun because I'm kinda depressed.

[16:02:20]

Hoxzer:

However I wouldn't like it to be addictive

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GreyFoxx:

Hoxzer: You be honest I play games so rarely I wouldn't say I game on any thing

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tank-man:

lol, Im playing thru metal gear solid 2 again on my ps2

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GreyFoxx:

once in a blue moon I'll spend acouple hours goofing off on the xbox, or a random pc game but it's pretty rar

[16:04:29]

GreyFoxx:

e

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tank-man:

the end of that game is trippy cause the character in the game orders you to turn off your ps2

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Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: lol. you sound like one of those guys "I dunno nothing about computers and I'm fukken cool and girls love me"

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brad3:

hey iamlindoro, i figured out my problem from last night. I was using an older svn, and it wasn't scanning the files properly (grabbing season and ep info)

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brad3:

thanks for the advice

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Hoxzer:

Just like my brother

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Hoxzer:

Then he was also like "I dunno wether or not it is best way to spend time on gaming :-("

[16:07:20]

Hoxzer:

I was like "Oh ok..."

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Hoxzer:

Then I hear what they do.

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Hoxzer:

Bathing in sun and partying

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GreyFoxx:

Hoxzer: Games overall have little interest for me :)

[16:07:37]

Hoxzer:

Like wtf. Aint no fun in that

[16:07:44]

Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: :-<

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GreyFoxx:

I have more fun figuring out a programming/nework challenge than playing a game

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Hoxzer:

>:|

[16:08:21]

GreyFoxx:

Not looking down on those that do, it's just not usualyl something I enjoy

[16:08:30]

Hoxzer:

>:|

[16:08:42]

Hoxzer:

You're like "yeah, I'm pro programmer not a gamer"

[16:08:45]

Hoxzer:

Now.

[16:08:58]

Hoxzer:

So all the girls will take "woah next Bill Cage"

[16:09:01]

iamlindoro:

uhhhhh

[16:09:12]

GreyFoxx:

Don't put words in my mount

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GreyFoxx:

mouth

[16:09:15]

iamlindoro:

He's being very tolerant and courteous to you

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Hoxzer:

:D

[16:09:33]

Hoxzer:

Anyways. I used to play ... to play...

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Hoxzer:

Gears of War with a friend

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Hoxzer:

and he was like "Oh yeah I did played today more than I had played on this year"

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Hoxzer:

>:(

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GreyFoxx:

AND FRANKLY, it's usually "gamers" who think they are king shit when it comes to ocmputers

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Hoxzer:

>:(

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iamlindoro:

Is it drunken IRC day on #mythtv-users or something?

[16:10:23]

Hoxzer:

Wtf.

[16:10:27]

Hoxzer:

Wrong channel guys

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, I paid $900 for a video card... I'm so leet

[16:10:38]

Hoxzer:

Sry guys. I though I was soemwhere else.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, the teenage therapy channel is that way --->

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Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: Naah. I also pitty guys that do

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Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: Honestly some people think they're leet if they can build a computer of parts.

[16:11:27]

Hoxzer:

GreyFoxx: I'm not like that though. :-(

[16:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

I like the 15/90 rule.... pay15% of the price and get 90% of the performance of the expensive crap :)

[16:12:04]

GreyFoxx:

You can keep your extra 5fps :) I'll keep my hundreds of dollars :)

[16:12:30]

GreyFoxx:

anyway, back to beating my head against this QRegExp

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rek:

grey fox is the monster

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brad3:

wait... wait one second

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brad3:

i'm not l33t? But i can put a motherboard in a case!

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brad3:

;)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: as in you just type? theres no on screen keyboard that you have to click with the mouse?

[16:54:23]

wagnerrp:

well this instantly makes that python script i put up on trac useless

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tzanger:

has anyone in here used myth's 1394 implementation with Rogers Cable (in Ontario, Canada) ?

[16:55:40]

tzanger:

there are some reports on the wiki but they're fairly old

[16:55:41]

wagnerrp:

HAH... apparently now im on the wrong end of a proto bump

[16:59:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro: No rain here, yet, so the beach volleyball game was a go. Got a few days before we'll start seeing the rain.

[16:59:50]

sphery:

planning to work on Myth a bit, though, anyway

[17:00:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you remember what revision the proto bump was?

[17:00:13]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember seeing a commit log for it, and im not finding it

[17:01:39]

sphery:

which proto bump?

[17:01:48]

wagnerrp:

46 to 47

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sphery:

that was Capt M's change to add filesystem blocksize, IIRC

[17:02:25]

wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

wagnerrp: [21298]

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sphery:

see, also, [21297]

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i saw 297, somehow i missed 298

[17:04:01]

wagnerrp:

thanks

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sphery:

fixing up python bindings stuff to deal with it?

[17:04:54]

sphery:

just affects FileSystemInfo , so don't know if the bindings actually even use it

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, the 'filesysteminfo' structure is internal only

[17:05:11]

wagnerrp:

never seen in mythprotocol

[17:05:31]

wagnerrp:

and captm updated those anyway

[17:05:49]

wagnerrp:

no, i just updated mythweb to see this 'interactive remote' iamlindoro was talking about

[17:06:01]

wagnerrp:

and got protocol version warnings

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wagnerrp:

just curious

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sphery:

yeah, I think the filesysteminfo stuff means that QUERY_FREE_SPACE has different args

[17:08:31]

sphery:

(return stuff, actually)

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sphery:

but probably not used directly--at least not yet

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wagnerrp:

ill have to check that, that was one of the functions i added in

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wagnerrp:

yeah, seems i do have something to update

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sphery:

wow... your python bindings are /way/ ahead of the perl bindings in usability. perl just gives the backend_command and lets you parse everything manually...

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sphery:

nice work on them

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wagnerrp:

is it at all possible make's job control can get screwed up, and try to compile the same code twice simultaneously?

[17:23:57]

wagnerrp:

four times in a row, i failed at recordingprofile.cpp with some weird assembler error

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wagnerrp:

i run 'make' instead of 'make -j3', and it compiles without error

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rek:

sphery: updated to 8.10 good news

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rek:

it's better..but. maybe i need to ki backend

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rek:

kill

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rek:

what's the commandd to see it

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sphery:

rek: sorry, I don't know your distro at all

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wagnerrp:

ps?

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wagnerrp:

usually one updates to 9.04, not 8.10

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wagnerrp:

considering 8.10 is coming up on a year old

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Sorry, was AFK, yeah, you just type

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gunni_:

Is there a way to correct the timestamps for a recorded movie, that was transcoded externally? I muxed and remuxed a file with much errors with projectx, as mythtranscode was not able to handle the errors. Now mythtv shows me a length of about 2:17 hours, but the file is about 1:45 (i cutted some parts with projectx also).

[18:19:45]

juski:

mythcommflag --rebuild $filename ought to do it

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wagnerrp:

wow, ive had three emails this morning claiming the webmail system at school is broken

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wagnerrp:

and to supply them with my address, password, and date of birth

[18:22:17]

wagnerrp:

and the guy couldnt even set up his mail server correctly

[18:23:02]

wagnerrp:

he sent the mail from some 815 minutes in the future

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sphery:

gunni_: though if it's MPEG-2, you'll need to use mythtranscode --buildindex instead (it won't transcode, it just builds the seektable). See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

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gunni_:

sphery: thx, thats exactly what i searched for

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gunni_:

juski: thx also

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sphery:

iamlindoro: OK, guess I won't be working on Myth today...

[18:29:45]

sphery:

but /tomorrow/ I should be able to.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, pffft!

[18:33:26]

sphery:

not my fault that my friends don't give me any notice on weekend plans

[18:34:28]

iamlindoro:

What good is commit access if you don't abuse it?

[18:34:54]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive noticed the flood of commits over the past two weeks

[18:35:13]

wagnerrp:

i come back three days later, and find that im a hundred revisions off current

[18:35:20]

kormoc:

sphery: I thought one of the requirements of commit access was getting rid of all your friends? ;)

[18:35:22]

sphery:

heh, I'm just waiting so my first commit will be special

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** kormoc laughs **

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iamlindoro:

oh jeez, you and every 14 year old girl

[18:35:47]

sphery:

lol

[18:36:09]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, IMHO Mythvideo has improved substantially in the past couple weeks :)

[18:36:16]

iamlindoro:

If I do say so myself :)

[18:36:37]

sphery:

I started it for the first time in a long time, today

[18:36:43]

wagnerrp:

maybe if you want to watch all of 24 in one sitting... :P

[18:36:45]

sphery:

(needed to test the delete stuff in it)

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juski:

but muh, it still doesn't automagically update itself every time I download torrents

[18:36:55]

sphery:

keybinding stuff, that is

[18:37:04]

wagnerrp:

'but i cant go to sleep now... it just wont stop playing...'

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Well that's insulting, thanks

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sphery:

yeah, the real problem with commercial-free TV--not being given a cue that it's time to get a snack/go to the restroom/...

[18:38:15]

wagnerrp:

didnt mean offense by it

[18:38:34]

wagnerrp:

anyway, i just so happen to have watched 24 in that manner, when a friend left the DVDs at my apartment

[18:38:56]

kormoc:

so dvd iso playback is broken if you have a disk in the drive

[18:39:23]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Think Greyfoxx is working on the ISO/Video_ts issues

[18:39:29]

kormoc:

cool

[18:39:42]

iamlindoro:

though I dunno if he knows about that particular one

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i agree that there has been some significant improvement of usability of mythvideo over the past couple weeks

[18:41:43]

wagnerrp:

of course that raises another problem

[18:41:59]

wagnerrp:

makes it harder to turn users away if they dont intend to buy a tuner or record TV

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** kormoc shrugs **

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wagnerrp:

is the stance that tunerless mythtv is completely unsupported going to remain?

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kormoc:

sure

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sphery:

I think both Capt M and Grey Foxx are planning to make it work

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sphery:

though, really, tunerless mythtv /is/ supposedly supported--it's just tunerless mythbackend that isn't

[18:46:53]

sphery:

i.e. if you're doing frontend only things (MythVideo/MythMusic), you should be able to do so without running mythbackend

[18:47:04]

sphery:

(sure it nags you about no mythbackend on startup/shutdown, but...)

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sphery:

laga: thought I'd help him out a bit :)

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wagnerrp:

do storagegroups function without a backend?

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laga:

sphery: :)

[18:48:43]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nope--so continued support of frontend-only operation means continuing to support non-SG MythVideo... :(

[18:48:45]

wagnerrp:

certainly you cant stream if there is nothing to stream to

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wagnerrp:

s/to/from/

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guysoft42:

hi all, how can i set mythtv to work with pulseaudio?

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sid3windr:

sphery: actually, even when you want to play a dvd it nags about no mythbackend ;)

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wagnerrp:

guysoft42: mythtv does not work with pulseaudio

[18:50:05]

wagnerrp:

the 'support' for pulseaudio that mythtv has, is disabling pulseaudio so myth can access ALSA directly

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guysoft42:

wagnerrp, there is a bug in recent kernels that makes artsd die.. so all i have is pulseaudio

[18:50:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: right... maybe we need to break mythbackend into multiple programs... mythbackend does recording/has capture devices. mythportend has storage group/filehandling. mythstarboardend has UPnP. mythfrontend does playback and plugins... :)

[18:51:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: unfortunately, though, trying to run mythportend is a bad omen

[18:51:33]

wagnerrp:

well then you would have to rename mythfrontend to mythforeend

[18:51:38]

wagnerrp:

and that will just confuse everyone

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guysoft42:

i never got jackd to work, but will that help?

[18:51:47]

sphery:

guysoft42: the best thing to do is disable all audio servers--artsd, esound, pulseaudio, etc.

[18:51:55]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and mythaftend? :)

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sid3windr:

how about mythpretend

[18:52:06]

sid3windr:

which claims to do all that

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sid3windr:

and more!

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wagnerrp:

no, thats Windows MCE

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guysoft42:

sphery, how do i stop PA?

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sphery:

guysoft42: audio servers add latency and generally make playback unacceptable, so configuring your system without one is best

[18:52:56]

guysoft42:

sphery, how do i stop it>

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guysoft42:

?

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sphery:

guysoft42: unfortunately, I don't know--how you do is distro-dependent and I'm not using your distro

[18:53:07]

guysoft42:

sphery, debian here..

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wagnerrp:

speaking of windows, ive been meaning to try to frontend port...

[18:53:12]

sphery:

though there are many here that can likely help

[18:53:25]

wagnerrp:

i think ill give that another shot today

[18:53:29]

sphery:

possibly, even the people in #ubuntu-mythtv can help, too

[18:53:35]

wagnerrp:

after my last attempt was an abysmal failure

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sphery:

guysoft42: if, however, you need help getting new frequency tables into Myth or something, I'd be much more capable of helping with that than helping with pulse-extermination :)

[18:55:46]

sphery:

guysoft42: and, you may want to look into http://mythbuntu.org/ as it's debian-based and it's already configured for Myth (including the disabling of pulse)

[18:55:54]

luwsr:

I'd like to see mythtv properly split into backend and frontend

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhh

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

what?

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laga:

luwsr: send patches!!1eleven

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kormoc:

I guess client-server isn't a proper split

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luwsr:

I am jest a regular user

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sid3windr:

well

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sid3windr:

it's kinda split

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iamlindoro:

That explains you not knowing that it's aleady a frontend and backend

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sid3windr:

but your frontend needs mysql access to your backend

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kormoc:

sid3windr: kinda? It *is* split

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sid3windr:

which means your frontend is a backend!

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kormoc:

sid3windr: so?

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kormoc:

no

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wagnerrp:

you can run the backend just fine without ever touching the frontend

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sid3windr:

yes, I know kormoc ;)

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luwsr:

I say this because I am trying to have a laptop as a client and I don't see why it should have all the mysql and backend related stuff installed.

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kormoc:

sid3windr: stop fudding...

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sid3windr:

:>

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iamlindoro:

luwsr, You don't have to...

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luwsr:

that defeats the very purpuse of thin, silent, slim front end.

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kormoc:

luwsr: cause you need the mysql client libs installed, not the server ones...

[18:57:48]

wagnerrp:

luwsr: all you need is the mysql client libraries, you dont need a full database installation

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guysoft42:

sphery, sure, they are configured here, what commands should i run, and what should i send you?

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iamlindoro:

nor do you need any part of the backend installed or running

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iamlindoro:

(on a frontend)

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** sid3windr checks the channel list on luwsr :] **

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wagnerrp:

luwsr: a couple hundred MB of files arent going to make the difference between a 'thin, silent, slim frontend' and not

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sid3windr:

s/on/of/

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kormoc:

luwsr: if 10 megabytes is the difference between thin/think, slient/loud, slim/not slim, you have a *very* specific want...

[18:58:39]

sid3windr:

or a very small flashcard

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wagnerrp:

considering even flashcards in the couple GB range are available for <$10

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sid3windr:

my frontend is 4.8G and that's including a lot of full frontend logs, probably never rotated, and a lot of bloat

[18:59:37]

luwsr:

oh, ok. I was saying because of the compile times.

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wagnerrp:

and if youre using netboot, file space is irrelevant

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sid3windr:

I figure 1G oughta do it just as well

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iamlindoro:

luwsr, You are digging yourself deeper

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sphery:

guysoft42: if you were able to choose your frequency table when scanning, all should be good. If you couldn't, then we'd need a published list of frequencies used in your area to add a new one.

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iamlindoro:

luwsr, The backend binaries can be compiled in seconds

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iamlindoro:

most of the compile is libraries, which is needed for frontend, backend, and any combination thereof

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sphery:

guysoft42: if that's the case, feel free to leave me a message here (I'm almost always in channel and I'll see messages left even when I'm away).

[19:00:23]

kormoc:

luwsr: and why would you compile on a lightweight box? compile on the main box and copy them over using a package management...

[19:00:26]

luwsr:

iamlindoro: I can lear something new

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guysoft42:

sphery, i ran a scan based on the UK frequency table

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guysoft42:

it detected the channels, including their names

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sphery:

is it the same freq table?

[19:00:47]

sphery:

probably is, then

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sphery:

should be good

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iamlindoro:

luwsr, Then you should refrain from making statements about what you'd like to see happen w/ myth if you don't know how it works in the first place

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** guysoft42 is trying to run his other computer as a frontend, since it is kde 3 **

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luwsr:

ok ok never mind then, I was flatly wrong

[19:01:06]

sphery:

if you find that there are differences between yours and the UK tables, let me know

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kormoc:

3.3 megabytes for the mysql client libs, 1.4 megabytes for the backend bin, 4.8 megs total, and perhaps 2k for support files (init.d scripts, etc)

[19:02:38]

luwsr:

iamlindoro: I presume the 'compile in seconds' claim is by using ccache?

[19:02:46]

kormoc:

luwsr: nope

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wagnerrp:

luwsr: the bulk of mythtv is in the libraries

[19:03:28]

wagnerrp:

on a decent modern system, compiling the backend executable can be done in under 30 seconds

[19:03:30]

kormoc:

luwsr: the time to compile the backend after all the libs are compiled for the frontend to use is seconds, as it's very very small

[19:04:46]

luwsr:

on an athlon x2 64bit the mythtv package took what it took me to eat a slice of watermelon

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sid3windr:

itym the dependencies of.. :)

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luwsr:

with 8GB of ram

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sid3windr:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4M 2008-07–07 10:13 mythtv-backend_0.21.svn20080706–0.0_amd64.deb

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kormoc:

woo, that's so much time to shave off a extra 30 seconds off of...

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luwsr:

now I am installing a frontend

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luwsr:

I am not sure about having both on the same computer

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kormoc:

luwsr: use the same compile?

[19:07:32]

kormoc:

luwsr: works fine, a combined FE/BE is the easy setup

[19:07:58]

gunni_:

guysoft24: i am running myth with pulseaudio here with an alsa config file that wraps alsa outputs to puleaudio

[19:08:13]

kormoc:

gunni_: which won't work in 0.22

[19:08:39]

gunni_:

kormoc: Well ... i am running 0.22 :)

[19:08:49]

juski:

nobody is running 0.22

[19:08:51]

juski:

:P

[19:08:56]

wagnerrp:

so wait.... mythtv outputs to alsa, which outputs to pulseaudio, which outputs back to alsa?

[19:08:58]

gunni_:

weekly builds

[19:09:09]

kormoc:

It's not suposto work, we attempt to detect pulse and refuse to run if it detects it

[19:09:45]

gunni_:

http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications

[19:09:52]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: only if youve compiled in 'support' for pulseaudio

[19:10:01]

laga:

kormoc: not necessarily. if compiled with the right flags, myth will try to deactivate pulse

[19:10:04]

gunni_:

kormoc: Why do you want to refuse myth to run if pulseaudio is detected?

[19:10:31]

iamlindoro:

gunni_, because most people want the voices and the lips moving to happen together

[19:10:40]

wagnerrp:

gunni_: because it only leads to problems with a/v sync

[19:11:01]

gunni_:

For me there seems to be no latency

[19:11:21]

iamlindoro:

That is not enough of an assurance for a program used by thousands ;)

[19:11:25]

wagnerrp:

are you playing audio on a receiver, instead of your tv?

[19:11:41]

kormoc:

gunni_: we don't honor the 'pulse audio' safe subset of alsa commands they use, because we want to do stuff like speedup/slowdown/etc. For a large number of setups (not all, depends on pulse version, hardware, etc), it adds upto multi-second a/v sync issues

[19:11:41]

iamlindoro:

And since hundreds of others *have* reported pulse related AV issues...

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gunni_:

hmm, thats sad for me as i like using pulseaudio

[19:12:17]

kormoc:

gunni_: pulse officially says to not use pulse if you use x,y, and z commands, we use them

[19:12:48]

kormoc:

it doesn't add jack crap to anything...

[19:12:50]

** kormoc shrugs **

[19:12:51]

trumee:

guys, this is prolly OT, but I have a DVD which refuses to play in mythvideo. Xine doesnt like to play as well, however mplayer is happy to play individual VOBs. Dragon player in kde4 plays the dvd fine. Is there anyway i can re-author the dvd.

[19:13:10]

wagnerrp:

there are only two reasons to use pulse

[19:13:16]

wagnerrp:

you want to send audio to a remote computer

[19:13:37]

wagnerrp:

or you have multiple applications playing sounds simultaneously, and you want to control them independently of each other

[19:13:54]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, its just another unnecessary layer

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luwsr:

which on a backend shouldn't be happening

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: Network Sound Server for one...

[19:14:06]

gunni_:

wagnerrp: I like to use it for switching applications between different soundcards

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trumee:

i have dumped the VIDEO_TS folder on the backend.

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wagnerrp:

its the very rare user that has more than one sound card

[19:14:40]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: '<wagnerrp> you want to send audio to a remote computer'

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luwsr:

sound cards are inexpensive

[19:15:03]

iamlindoro:

that's not the point

[19:15:11]

iamlindoro:

99.9999% of people only need *one*

[19:15:13]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah, Network Sound Server does that and has been the unix standard for a decade or so? ;)

[19:15:32]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats a program... never heard of it

[19:15:45]

wagnerrp:

but yeah, there are already a handful of similar sound servers

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luwsr:

ohtml

[19:16:08]

luwsr:

Description: Network Audio System

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were saying that was a part of pulseaudio

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it is, but it's a needless part...

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kormoc:

luwsr: good for you?

[19:17:29]

luwsr:

sorry I attempetd to paste the site address http://radscan.com/nas.html

[19:19:14]

kormoc:

Yeah, NAS is newer then NSS, but hasn't really been adopted

[19:20:28]

luwsr:

anyways I am not there yet. I'll be setting it up the backend

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luwsr:

so wish me luck :) !!

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slayven:

guys, I'm sort of out of character here – but is there an adverb of "sophisticated"? =)

[19:32:23]

slayven:

as in technically advanced

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laga:

try appending -ly?

[19:32:41]

iamlindoro:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophisticatedly

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wagnerrp:

sophisticatedly?

[19:32:50]

wagnerrp:

thats actually a word?

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laga:

seems to follow morphological rules :)

[19:33:20]

slayven:

it looks weird

[19:34:23]

slayven:

well, thanks a lot =)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: How about removing it in 0.23? If you really want it gone now go for it.

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juski:

guysoft42: /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/

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guysoft42:

juski, yes, but my country is not there.. because we have experimental one snow

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juski:

if scanning in mythtv worked, look in the dtv_multiplex table in the database

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guysoft42:

juski, is there a way to scan the whole band?

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juski:

SELECT * FROM dtv_multiplex;

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guysoft42:

juski, ok, and how would i export that?

[19:46:04]

juski:

that should output all the multiplex frequencies

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guysoft42:

juski, ok.. and i need to write that myself?

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juski:

you wouldn't. but you should be able to use the info to edit an existing scan file

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guysoft42:

. i mean the table file

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guysoft42:

ok

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juski:

the dvb-utils scan app doesn't do frequency scans

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juski:

it always needs initial tuning info

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juski:

there's a new scan app which *does* do frequency scans but I can't remember what it's called

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guysoft42:

juski, only one feild

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guysoft42:

1 1 1 100 514000000 0 0 auto v auto 8 auto 2 1/32 0 auto n auto dvb 4

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juski:

so you only have one multiplex broadcasting right now – either that or mythtv only found one

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guysoft42:

working! got vlc working

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linxeh:

does anyone here use the antec microfusion remote case ?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Doesn't bother me to leave it, just going for consistency-- I can live with leaving it for now

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luwsr:

/usr/qt/3/include/qimage.h:61: warning: suggest parentheses around && within ||

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luwsr:

programinfo.cpp: In member function 'void ProgramInfo::ToMap(QMap<QString, QString>&, bool) const':

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luwsr:

programinfo.cpp:566: warning: suggest parentheses around && within ||

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luwsr:

g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus

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luwsr:

it stopped

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luwsr:

same build but an x86 instead of amd64

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luwsr:

* ERROR: media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p20877 failed.

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luwsr:

and same verison

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like gentoo

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luwsr:

the error or the ebuild?

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wagnerrp:

the '* Error: ...'

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luwsr:

well, the error is becaused it failed to compile

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kormoc:

luwsr: please don't paste into the channel

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wagnerrp:

use pastebin for anything over 2 lines

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iamlindoro:

I'd guess arch/cpu/etc. too "gentooed out"

[20:42:48]

wagnerrp:

well the warning is just that, a warning

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wagnerrp:

i think you can run g++ in 'strict' mode that will error on warnings, but otherwise it will just pass and keep on compiling

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wagnerrp:

the 'Internal error' is the problem there

[20:43:35]

wagnerrp:

and generally means bad juju

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kormoc:

bad hardware, bad binaries, etc

[20:44:20]

wagnerrp:

its not that it failed to compile, its that g++ broke somewhere

[20:44:52]

wagnerrp:

and by and large, that just doesnt happen

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luwsr:

oh, well I am compiling off nfs without swap and the OS running in ram

[20:46:18]

wagnerrp:

then you may have run out of memory

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wagnerrp:

and linux killed off the program

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luwsr:

most likely.

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wagnerrp:

how much memory do you have?

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luwsr:

Mem: 375668 156076 219592 0 756 113596

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luwsr:

-/+ buffers/cache: 41724 333944

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wagnerrp:

what am i supposed to do with that?

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wagnerrp:

honestly....

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kormoc:

jesus h christ, we just asked you not to copy and paste in here...

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luwsr:

I was showing him my free and no more than 2 lines

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kormoc:

and that's entirely meaningless, is that 375k or 375m?

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wagnerrp:

you cant just give me a value? 1024MB, 2GB?

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luwsr:

I abide by the rules

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luwsr:

375MB

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wagnerrp:

i dont care how much memory you have free, or cache, or whatever

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wagnerrp:

total installed memory

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kormoc:

and besides that's not a OOM style kill, you don't get a internal error for running out of memory, you get a kill

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luwsr:

total with free -m is 366

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wagnerrp:

the sticks that you shove onto the board, how large are they?

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kormoc:

what sorta of half baked setup doesn't use power of 2 based chips...

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luwsr:

this is a laptop one is 128 the other 254

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wagnerrp:

well you could have consumed by onboard video

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wagnerrp:

anyway, for mythtv, assume somewhere around 512MB per '-j?'

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wagnerrp:

anything less than that, and youre going to be hitting swap

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luwsr:

oh thanks

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kormoc:

(256, 254 is not a valid ram size)

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luwsr:

well a stick of halve 512

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wagnerrp:

that would be... 256

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luwsr:

i should upgrade

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luwsr:

yo anybody seen osnews.com editor ranting about X no his article??

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iamlindoro:

Would you at least *try* to be a) on-topic and b) make sense?

[20:56:18]

luwsr:

k

[20:56:31]

iamlindoro:

getting to talk off-topis in this channel is allowed after you have been here for a few years and stayed mostly on-topic

[20:56:43]

iamlindoro:

It's not okay when you just turned up this week

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laga:

lol

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laga:

elitism++; :)

[20:57:36]

** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I think it's more the lack of sense

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luwsr:

oh ok, this is what I was gonna say

[20:58:23]

Cyber-Dogg:

so I'm still stumped on the sound issue...

[20:58:31]

Cyber-Dogg:

http://pastebin.ca/1531827

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's my output of alsa-info

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luwsr:

I try the hd channels with tvtime and mplayer and they all have different screen sizes. How am supposed to deal with that?

[20:59:32]

iamlindoro:

Myth deals with that, you don't

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luwsr:

some output what seems to be SD with black bars.

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hednod:

is there a way to edit channels without using mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

in mythweb

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hednod:

the mythweb editor seems.. buggy

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hednod:

and not as functional

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hednod:

and i can't seem to add new channels in mythtv

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hednod:

only tweak existing ones

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wagnerrp:

the mythweb editor cannot edit multiplex data

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hednod:

er in mythweb rather

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hednod:

wagnerrp: in other words?

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wagnerrp:

so it can only be used for editing digital channels (or creating analog ones)

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hednod:

ah

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hednod:

damn

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wagnerrp:

on second thought, it cannot add any channels

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wagnerrp:

only edit

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** hednod shrugs **

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hednod:

i don't have analog tuners

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mchou:

hednod: what;s your video source? ATSC, QAM?

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hednod:

both

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hednod:

HDHomeRun with one using ATSC over the air and the other QAM over cable unencrypted

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mchou:

the channels your attempting to add are ATSC or cable?

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hednod:

cable

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mchou:

who is cable provider?

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hednod:

comcast

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mchou:

google 'scte65scan'

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wagnerrp:

do you have DTAs in your area yet?

[21:38:10]

mchou:

end of problem

[21:38:16]

hednod:

nope

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wagnerrp:

cheap little $1 cable boxes?

[21:38:18]

hednod:

already scanned

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mchou:

hednod: so what's the issue?

[21:38:58]

mchou:

if you scanned it should have generated a mysql script to add all channels

[21:39:13]

wagnerrp:

if comcast is broadcasting that data in his area

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hednod:

nope as in, they have no set that up yet. the scan came away negative.

[21:39:25]

wagnerrp:

and if theyre not issuing DTAs yet, chances are the data is not available

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janneg:

mythtv trunk has now DVB-S2 support

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hednod:

my issue was that i wanted to be able to add a channel I carelessly deleted back into mythtv's databse without having to use mythtv-setup (either to add it manually or rescan)

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mchou:

hednod: then do your own scan from dvb utils 'scan'

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hednod:

scanning finds a bunch of unknown channels which i ahve to go in and delete or relabel which is why i don't want to rescan

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mchou:

hednod: so you only deleted one channel?

[21:42:07]

hednod:

oh i delted a bunch, but i want one of them back :)

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mchou:

hednod: that's easy

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mchou:

go to silicondust.com

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mchou:

look for the channel that you deleted

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hednod:

i know the information for the channel

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mchou:

add it back to the db manually

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hednod:

i'm intimiated about adding it to the DB not knowign much about how the DB is laid out

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hednod:

i don't want ot screw up the database

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mchou:

hednod: back up the db first

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mchou:

and there is nothing to be initimated about

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hednod:

obviously, but then i'd have to restore it if i screw it up and.. forget it. to o lazy to dedicate taht much time do it.

[21:44:36]

hednod:

;)

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mchou:

dtv_multiplex and channel are the only tables you need to muck with

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hednod:

i just wanted a quick awy to add it back in without mucking around in mythtv-setup, which is clunky

[21:45:30]

mchou:

yeah, and the quickest way is using mysql client

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hednod:

i don't know enough about mysql's command line interface to go in taht way and i don't ahve phpmyadmin installed on taht machine

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mchou:

should take you less than 60 secs

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mchou:

dont expect any sympathy here

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hednod:

no no, i'm not.

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hednod:

i didn't expect such a response from such a simple question :) you've been overly helpful.

[21:48:23]

hednod:

is there a reason mythtv cannot delete channels? (it does not delete them, it marks them invisible/inactive)

[21:48:27]

hednod:

sorry

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hednod:

mythtweb

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hednod:

mythweb

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wagnerrp:

it can delete channels

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mchou:

probably to prevent support issues such as yours

[21:49:22]

wagnerrp:

you can uncheck 'visible' on the right

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wagnerrp:

or you can check 'delete' on the left

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wagnerrp:

and the big red warning box on the far left is to prevent support issues

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hednod:

check i check elete and then save

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hednod:

they are still there.. but they are no longer checked visible

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wagnerrp:

seems odd they would do the same thing

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hednod:

it does, but tthat is what has happened. i've tried it several times.

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hednod:

i tried to delete severanl channels seral times, the first time i removed the visible flag, all times after it did nothing.

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hednod:

in the end, if had to load up mythtv-setup and delete them there

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wagnerrp:

you know any changes to that table dont take effect until you restart the backend, right?

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hednod:

so the only indication that the change has been configure is that the visible flag is cleared?

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wagnerrp:

it should be removed from the table in mythweb

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hednod:

its not. mythweb's table still shows it, exactly as it did before i clicked delete, then save. except that the visible flag is toggled off.

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wagnerrp:

but it will remain tunable in mythtv until the backend is restarted (and grabs a new copy of that table)

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hednod:

i assure you i'm not clicking the visible flag checkbox

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rek:

hi

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rek:

yeahhhhhhh 9.10

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rek:

dvb and v4l in dev!!!!

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Hilikus:

anyone knows why "forget old" in mythweb is not working?

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kormoc:

Likely not, as if I knew, I'd have it fixed

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