Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 14th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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baffle:

How do I select wich DVB audio stream is default? One of the channels I use have swedish/norwegian/danish/finnish audio in the transport stream, but it always select swedish (the first). I want it to select the norwegian stream.

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Wicked:

iamlindoro, oh damn!. does that script *really* mess with all the database? or would i be able to a partial restore so i can keep my recordings and history or recordings...and most importantly...my rules for recording

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Wicked:

i dont really care about anything else.

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iamlindoro:

Wicked, anything I asy about your DB right now would be a guess-- your upgrade might be fine-- but I'd stop running random scripts on things

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Wicked:

yea. i only used that one script.

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Wicked:

which i was unaware it messed with stuff.

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Shadow__X:

only that one time

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Shadow__X:

it only takes one time you know

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janneg:

d00gle: mythtv-setup -v channelscan

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Wicked:

yea i know.

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Wicked:

but at the time i was unaware of a better way to get movie info and stuff.

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Shadow__X:

you always need to use protection from those nefarious scripts

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Wicked:

until today i had thought it was a good script. i was unaware it messed with stuff like that

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iamlindoro:

janneg, select * from settings where value = "VideoDialogNoDB";

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Is it set to 1 for the host you are on? It seems it must be

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d00gle:

janneg: o.k. so should I try scan a transponder and let it fail and log that and then do the same again but first locking on to a channel using szap-s2

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Shadow__X:

you need to do your checking and find the history of scripts

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Wicked:

yea. apparently so :)

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janneg:

iamlindoro: it's set to 1 for the combined backend/frontend host

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janneg:

d00gle: I think the failing case would be enough

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iamlindoro:

janneg, UPDATE settings set data = 0 where value = "VideoDialogNoDB" and hostname = "yourhost";

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Something strange is going on, though, as "Disable File Browse Mode" should do exactly that

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d00gle:

janneg: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1528785

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d00gle:

although it doesn't really show much

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[James]:

Hi all. Do I have to setup a lineup with my schedules direct account in order to see channel names and guide data in mythtv?

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Wicked:

kinda interesting...tmdb doesnt have a entry for the blair witch project...but they have a entry for the much less talked about known sequel to it...book of secrets:blair witch 2

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iamlindoro:

[James], yes

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iamlindoro:

Wicked, it's wiki format, if they don't ahve it, go create it

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[James]:

iamlindoro: Ok, is it just my account, or can no body make lineups right now?

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iamlindoro:

[James], Making a lineup should be fine

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kormoc:

Wicked, just don't copy and paste from imdb

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[James]:

Its showing this at the top of the page when I click it **** KNOWN SERVER ISSUES. EXPECT PROBLEMS. TRY AGAIN LATER. ****

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Wicked:

ah yea.. ill see if i can get an account made in a little bit after i get these movies updated.

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iamlindoro:

[James], Oh. Well I'd say that answers your question them ;)

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Wicked:

kormoc, damn!

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** kormoc peers at the server **

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[James]:

iamlindoro: Poop. Ok. Do their servers go down often? And is there another provider for North America dwellers?

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kormoc:

Works for me (tm)(r)

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janneg:

iamlindoro: works after setting it to 0. and toggling it works now too. strange

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janneg:

thanks

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d00gle:

janneg: i've taken the logs using mythtv-setup -v channel,channelscan there is more info in that >>> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1528789

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kormoc:

[James], what provider and zip code?

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Yeah, strange indeed but I'm happy if it's working now :)

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iamlindoro:

[James], No, it's the only option for Myth users

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[James]:

Time Warner Cable 76302

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iamlindoro:

(in North America)

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iamlindoro:

[James], And I've never missed listings, ever, and I've been on since day one

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kormoc:

It works for me

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[James]:

cool I guess Ill try to make it later tonight. Thats the last problem I have to fix, then my system is complete

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iamlindoro:

Heh... it's *never* complete

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[James]:

lol

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Shadow__X_:

i can attest to that fact

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iamlindoro:

Wait'll people see the new metadata grabbing I'm inflicting on them for .22

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iamlindoro:

or, at least, all the new metadata they'll need to download

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[James]:

Is there a way to install Myth Vodka through Synaptic? I saw the old version (myth stream) but not Myth Vodka.

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iamlindoro:

mythstream is not mythvodka

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Shadow__X_:

iamlindoro: but then i might go over the 250gb limit

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iamlindoro:

and mythvodka is dead

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iamlindoro:

has been since like three hulu countermeasures ago (many months)

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iamlindoro:

mythvodka was mythstreamS (note the s)

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iamlindoro:

but all dead and gone

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[James]:

iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythStreams

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[James]:

That says it is

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iamlindoro:

"<iamlindoro> mythvodka was mythstreamS (note the s)"

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iamlindoro:

mythstream != mythstreams

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iamlindoro:

mythstream is a totally different plugin

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Wicked:

one thing im noticing...and im not sure yet which it is...but either the tmdb.pl doesnt like ' or its the site. for instance... the devils rejects returns nothing....but the devil's rejects finds it.

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[James]:

lol oh

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iamlindoro:

MythstreamS/Mythvodka is, again, Dead.

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[James]:

:(

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Wicked:

the same thing happened with bill and ted(')s

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GreyFoxx:

wtf, I updated to 21259 and now nothign is being written to my logfiles anymore

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iamlindoro:

in .22 you can just watch Hulu through Myth's browser, works great

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** iamlindoro promises he didn't break logging **

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iamlindoro:

he hopes

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GreyFoxx:

I just pass it a -l mythfrontend.log

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janneg:

d00gle: is the modulation qpsk correct?

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GreyFoxx:

and the file is being created, but is remaining blank

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I'm getting logging here

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iamlindoro:

at least to console

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iamlindoro:

and to a file with -l

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GreyFoxx:

weird. Must be some strange open file handle thing

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GreyFoxx:

if I pass another filename stuff gets written

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, lsof to the rescue

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GreyFoxx:

had the file still open in another screen (tail -f)

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iamlindoro:

ah hah

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iamlindoro:

this commit thing is making me an anxious person ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Just waiting to break something good and have the keys taken away

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GreyFoxx:

yeah it can do that

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GreyFoxx:

now that is dangerous

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GreyFoxx:

normally hit menu/enter to scan for new stuff in mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

ah... heh

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GreyFoxx:

and what came up was the new menu/delete

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iamlindoro:

I know what you are talking about

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

Move it down in the list a bit?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, only item in the list for a folder

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iamlindoro:

hang on, will fix quick

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

I just recall delete is on the bottom for recordings cause it's so dangerous

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, just going to prevent the "M" from working on a folder (rather than present an empty menu)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, fix committed

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, For Reference, Scan for changes is I->Enter now

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GreyFoxx:

I still find it funny we use a default year of 1895

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- just did a browse by year :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Looking at metadata browse modes?

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[James]:

I just put my lineup in for schedules direct and am running mythfilldatabase. Its just looping code and pausing with a little diamond moving across for a little while then looping again. Any Ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, You like?

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GreyFoxx:

nifty yeah

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iamlindoro:

[James], That's normal

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iamlindoro:

It's looping through all the days

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[James]:

ok i was scared thanks

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iamlindoro:

And the first run can take quite a long time

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GreyFoxx:

browse by cast is kinda cool. My wife will like that one

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, the one that's still vexing me is the auto-building of TV series Title->Season #->Item

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, but I'll get it in the end

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GreyFoxx:

good stuff :)

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iamlindoro:

and it'll probably be what I use full time

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GreyFoxx:

that's what folder mode is for me since I organize my content that way :)

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iamlindoro:

As do I, somewhat

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iamlindoro:

But having it auto-built would be cool if you were a slacker

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

hmm in some of the browse by modes I see some files show up more than once in the same grouping

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GreyFoxx:

for example in user rating I have 24 6x05 and a couple pages down its there again

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wagnerrp:

remnants of SG/non-SG issues?

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh that;s EXACTLY it

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GreyFoxx:

so ignore my previous comments :)

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GreyFoxx:

duh :)

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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** kormoc thinks we should ditch the non-sg stuff **

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** wagnerrp agrees **

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kormoc:

It'd be so nice to have a single, unified way to manage files

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wagnerrp:

although thats going to cause some pain among the users during the switch

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kormoc:

nah, we just auto-create a SG from local settings

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kormoc:

piece of cake

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[James]:

Anyone know if theres a plugin to play Netflix "Watch it Now" material?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

now this is odd

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wagnerrp:

im recording eureka tonight

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wagnerrp:

ive recorded this episode previously, AND i even have it set to only record new episodes

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sphery:

Heh, "Minimum hardware recomendation" on -users... My recommendation: don't get the minimum. :)

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[James]:

is there a gui to reassign buttons on your remote?

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sphery:

I like the facebook invite on mythtv dev list, too :)

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wagnerrp:

how else is he going to continue making friends

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt leave his home

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sphery:

[James]: None that I know of, though I think some distros have some extra LIRC config tools (mythbuntu, at least)

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[James]:

oh cool Im using mythbuntu. I guess its somewhere in the mythbuntu control centre?

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sphery:

[James]: if all else fails, just start editing ~/.lircrc (or, if you're still using it, ~/.mythtv/lircrc )

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[James]:

ok

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sphery:

don't know what all they have--it may just be a "select your remote" thing

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sphery:

some *buntu users could probably tell you more

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[James]:

Ok, one more question. Do I have to have the frontend running to record shows?

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wagnerrp:

no

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[James]:

ok thanks

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Shadow__X_:

but backend needs to be running though

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sphery:

yeah, great that you can shut down the frontend--especially for dedicated frontend machines... Mine has been powered down all week (since I'm not home).

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any suggestions for how to handle the '%SEASONPAD%' request on -dev?

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wagnerrp:

someone wanting to export a season as '01' instead of '1'

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wagnerrp:

specifically, should i just do something like %SEASONPAD% in addition to %SEASON%

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wagnerrp:

or would it be better to do something like %SEASONPAD:<format>%

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wagnerrp:

err... %SEASON:<format>%

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wagnerrp:

as with episode

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[James]:

anyone here tried to setup the mymote iphone app?

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krisb:

hmm, is there some obscure dependency with mythtv-setup and ivtv to get scanning to work? I am about to downgrade to 0.21 and try scanning there

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wagnerrp:

you should not be scanning with ivtv

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krisb:

I can tune fine with ivtv-tune and play the MPEG2 stream with mplayer

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wagnerrp:

you should not be tuning with any analog card

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wagnerrp:

err... scanning

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wagnerrp:

your listings provider should give you all the channel data you need for proper tuning

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure. I didn't even understand the question on the list until you reworded it for me.

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krisb:

the XMLTV grabber doesn't provide the channel data

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sphery:

krisb: so you're not in North America?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, he wants to do 'S01E01', instead of '1x01'

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krisb:

nope

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krisb:

scan hangs at 0% on both bars, at europe-west E2

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krisb:

the first channel it starts scanning

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krisb:

I will downgrade and try 0.21

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krisb:

I suppose I could add everything manually

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sphery:

yeah, might be "in flux" in trunk with the scanner changes

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wagnerrp:

im surprised the XMLTV grabbers cannot insert channels

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sphery:

though analog channel scanning has never been that great

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wagnerrp:

since you literally need nothing more than the channel number

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krisb:

well most of them just grab from some website providing listings

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sphery:

would be interesting to see the xmltv data from one of the locations where it won't work

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krisb:

it grabs from http://fredag.dagbladet.no/tv/ and that doesn't have any channel numbers

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krisb:

and there isn't really any standard here anyway, channel freqs will vary between cable providers etc.

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wagnerrp:

oh? i thought PAL had well defined channel tables

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krisb:

yeah, but different channels will be in different slots

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krisb:

ie. one channel can be E6 on one provider and E20 on another

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that would make it not work.

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krisb:

I don't really care now though, its set and forget for me

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krisb:

I will try scanning again once I get 0.21 installed, and if that works then I will just save it and upgrade the database afterwards

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krisb:

I will have to look into DVB eventually, but they are very restricted

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krisb:

I don't watch much TV anyway, only reason I'm setting it up is because I have the tuner cards from earlier

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krisb:

the DVB standard here is nice, but they are pairing the cards with only officially supported TV's and settop boxes

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krisb:

:(

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krisb:

DVB-T that is

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krisb:

yeah scanning works in 0.21

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[James]:

Is there a way to make a button on your remote start the frontend for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

look into irexec or mythwelcome

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[James]:

wagnerrp: whats a good program like notepad to use in linux

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quinten:

[James]: gedit

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[James]:

cool thanks, is there a way to watch tv in the frontend while ripping a dvd?

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GreyFoxx:

Sure,m you don't have to stay in the dvd ripping pluggin

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GreyFoxx:

it does it all via a background daemon

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GreyFoxx:

So you can freely back out and do something else

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[James]:

cool thanks fox

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[James]:

GreyFoxx: Did I read that you have experimented with getting mythtv to work with the xbox 360?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, I added the support for upnp streaming mythvideo content to it back in DEc 2007 or so

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[James]:

So I can stream my recorded tv and ripped dvds?

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GreyFoxx:

it still worked last I tested it at the end of june against trunk

[02:38:38]

sphery:

[James]: He was doing UPnP playback of MythVideo videos on the 360. TTBOMK, the 360 still can't do recordings playback as it has a very limited list of supported container formats (mainly Microsoft formats) and won't do MPEG-2 playback via UPnP.

[02:38:44]

GreyFoxx:

so, no recordings

[02:38:58]

GreyFoxx:

the 360will NOT play non drm encoded mpeg2 content over the network

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 is a very poor video player

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[James]:

stupid ms

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

if it would play regular mpeg2 which is has the capability to do then it would be ok

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GreyFoxx:

but the only way to do that is via mce with that dvr-ms drm container crap on it

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Shadow__X_:

you can get something like mediatomb or tversity that transcodes files on the fly

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, that's about the only option

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sphery:

does it also have to transcode the video or just remux into a new container? (I.e. will it do MPEG-2 in an "approved" container?)

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GreyFoxx:

must be in the new container and use the mce protocol which appears ot be a modified upnp

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Shadow__X_:

yeah i believe it transcodes it

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[James]:

sounds too complicated for me

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sphery:

Yeah, I wouldn't really recommend using an XBox 360 with Myth. However, mythfrontend works /great/ with it. :)

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android6011:

if all the tuner cards have an on board encoder, will a sempron 1250 and 1 gig ram be enough for backend?

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wagnerrp:

android6011: analog mpeg encoders and digital cards require next to no processor, and only a bit of IO

[03:27:48]

wagnerrp:

a sempron 1250 (MHz?) would be plenty

[03:28:17]

wagnerrp:

commflagging takes a fair bit of CPU, and transcoding takes a LOT of CPU

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wagnerrp:

so neither of tasks would be running realtime on anything HD, you could probably do realtime commflagging on SD

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android6011:

then I guess i would be good, it says "2.2GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Single-Core Processor"

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wagnerrp:

oh, so its a cache limited Ath64 X2

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android6011:

pretty much

[03:29:26]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was a cache limited AthXP

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wagnerrp:

but now that i think about it, they called them Durons back then

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wagnerrp:

anyway... you would have no problem doing anything backend related on that chip

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android6011:

ok great

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android6011:

which type of commflagging is best? just all?

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wagnerrp:

never actually used anything but the default

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android6011:

whats default?

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wagnerrp:

all?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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android6011:

ok

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android6011:

just curious, not important right now

[03:35:38]

wagnerrp:

seems gbee really wants that Casio port

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kormoc:

ooh?

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wagnerrp:

he put it back on the requests page on the wiki

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s3cur17y:

Does anyone have a good suggestions on a remote to buy, something that can have every key binded

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android6011:

one other question, if i have a drive in the backend machine with all my videos and music, will i have to setup each frontend to look at those drives for the media, or do i set it up on the backend and then when i direct the frontend to the backend it will figure out where the media is stored

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s3cur17y:

sorry mapped

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wagnerrp:

android6011: yes

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android6011:

wagnerrp: set up each frontend?

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wagnerrp:

the answer to both is yes

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android6011:

so i can have it do either?

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wagnerrp:

in 0.21, the frontends have to access the content

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, the backends will send the content (for mythvideo only so far)

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android6011:

ok

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android6011:

can't wait for .22

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android6011:

its probably still a few months off right?

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wagnerrp:

weeks to months now

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, See your ticket got committed-- I have an idea of where that can go for Graphite, but not sure how well it will work yet... will try to look at it tonight

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I didn't commit the UI portion of that ticket yet, I wasn't sure if gbee has anything in mind or not since he had taken the ticket a while back, but pushed it to 0.23.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, cool, more time to think about it

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Captain_Murdoch:

so right now you just have to know what Recording Group you're on. easy for me since I know that neither Dora or Design on a Dime are in mine. :)

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, only the functional part was committed. He left the UI part for gbee.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd commit it, but wanted to check with him first and he was gone for the day already.

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abqjp:

Captain_Murdoch, gbee said he set it for 0.23 just because he did not have time to give it enough attention right now.

[04:55:21]

abqjp:

Given the current state of things, I can completely understand that.

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Captain_Murdoch:

even without the UI mod, it's worth it. the UI code could be committed even if themes don't work with it because people can run their own theme file and overide the stock.

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Cyber-Dogg:

howdy

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have X up and running... but when I load it up... my keyboard stops working and my mouse isn't working either

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Captain_Murdoch:

abqjp, ok. I might get it in then, to show another piece of eye candy for 0.23 if iamlindoro has room for it in Graphite.

[04:56:43]

abqjp:

Captain_Murdoch, right. Even with the UI patch, I can still use Graphite, if I want to.

[04:56:50]

Cyber-Dogg:

when i say keyboard stops working, I mean even the num lock

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Captain_Murdoch:

so how do you know the whole machine hasn't locked up?

[04:57:15]

Cyber-Dogg:

I guess I don't :-)

[04:57:18]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'll find somep place for it if it goes in

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Captain_Murdoch:

Cyber-Dogg, if you have another machine, see if you can ping it.

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Cyber-Dogg:

k

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[James]:

where do I watch the videos after I rip them from a dvd?

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, I thought you re-added the page-top/bottom/middle keybindings? Yeechang Lee is saying in the "making my own recording categories" thread that they are still missing from trunk?

[05:02:31]

Cyber-Dogg:

Captain_Murdoch: ping responds fine

[05:02:58]

iamlindoro:

abqjp, I proposed them, but didn't commit them since I'm trying to respect my "Mythvideo and themes" commit privs

[05:03:12]

abqjp:

Ah

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, Planned to point gbee at that message tomorrow and ask if they're okay to commit

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Captain_Murdoch:

Cyber-Dogg, so see if you can ssh in and look at the X error log whever that is on your system. Fedora puts it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[05:03:38]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure they're fine

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abqjp:

I actually mentioned their absence after he removed them. He told me he didn't even know they existed, and that is why the re-write did not include them. He promised to take a look at it, but more important things came up (I am sure).

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iamlindoro:

TBH I wrote them because I'm trying to actively respond to the Mythvideo feature request page, god bless it's little broken heart

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[James]:

Does anyone know what could cause my ripped dvds to not show up in the video viewer in mythtv?

[05:08:56]

abqjp:

" god bless it's little broken heart" — Wow. A new kinder, gentler iamdindoro ;-)

[05:09:27]

iamlindoro:

abqjp, Now I've got a reputation to uphold ;)

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** kormoc waits for iamlindoro to flick abqjp's ear **

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abqjp:

Heh

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Cyber-Dogg:

it was allowemptyinput...

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Cyber-Dogg:

WTF?

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Cyber-Dogg:

what is htat for?

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: it disables all the X inputs

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kormoc:

it should be called disableinput to be honest

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Cyber-Dogg:

right

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Cyber-Dogg:

but why is it on by default?

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kormoc:

it's not?

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Cyber-Dogg:

I had to go in and add an option to turn it off

[05:12:15]

kormoc:

unless you're back on Gentoo?

[05:12:20]

Cyber-Dogg:

yeah :-)

[05:12:21]

Cyber-Dogg:

LOL

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kormoc:

It's due to the way we compile our extra input modules

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Cyber-Dogg:

I couldn't get any other distros to work as well

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Cyber-Dogg:

do you use Gentoo?

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kormoc:

we don't compile any in the core X build as they're all extra ebuilds

[05:12:43]

kormoc:

Aye

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Cyber-Dogg:

oh ok

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kormoc:

So by default X detects no inputs and sets the default to allow it to still start

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kormoc:

it's a new 'feature' they added recently

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Cyber-Dogg:

fun...

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Cyber-Dogg:

well I tried other distros that were myth oriented and I couldn't even get the firewire to work on them

[05:13:39]

Cyber-Dogg:

I'm just more comfortable with gentoo overall

[05:13:51]

Cyber-Dogg:

so I'm going to just keep hacking at it until I can get that sound to work

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dibbz:

and you are comfortable with that?

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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** kormoc eyes dibbz **

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dibbz:

afternoon kormoc

[05:15:20]

kormoc:

Mornin'

[05:15:26]

dibbz:

i had a think about our conversation yesterday and i do agree that allowing conversations along that particular topic would degrade this channel from its meaningful purpose :)

[05:15:38]

dibbz:

so..

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kormoc:

So you'll never mention it again?

[05:15:55]

dibbz:

with .22, would it be at all useful to loa it up and test stuff for the devs?

[05:16:04]

kormoc:

sure if you want

[05:16:18]

kormoc:

we're getting closeish to a release, so testing is good

[05:16:20]

iamlindoro:

depends on how useful you are personally

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dibbz:

i work in software development?

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dibbz:

like if it works, i'm happy to test ui stuff i guess

[05:17:24]

dibbz:

i would just not bother unless there was stuff to test and a benefit to it

[05:17:30]

kormoc:

it's more about writing useful bug-reports/providing patches/etc

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iamlindoro:

fixing is likely to be more helpful than out-pointing

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dibbz:

true

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dibbz:

i jsut quit my job anyway

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dibbz:

lot of time on my hands

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iamlindoro:

I'm opening a circus with my bugs, don't touch them

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dibbz:

:)

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kormoc:

I wonder how many tickets we can close when 0.22 comes out and 0.21 is unsupported...

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iamlindoro:

for (int i = 0; i < tickets.size(); i++) { Ticket.MarkVersion(".21"); Ticket.Close(); }

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I'd foreseem more, UPDATE tickets SET status = 'wontfix' WHERE version != '0.22';

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kormoc:

;)

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dibbz:

:)

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iamlindoro:

yeah but then you leave open ones ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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iamlindoro:

mine results in 1.0!

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dibbz:

lol we use mantis here, waaaah

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dibbz:

mantis is assed

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dibbz:

is the iptv stuff any better in .22?

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iamlindoro:

that's an awful vague question

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dibbz:

yeh true

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dibbz:

does the channel change script work

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dibbz:

with iptv sources

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iamlindoro:

No idea, iptv doesn't sound like something that would *need* a channel change script

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dibbz:

not for iptv but other sorms of mpeg2ts over ip

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dibbz:

forms

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iamlindoro:

anyway, let us know when the patches are done

[05:24:22]

dibbz:

similar to dbox2 etc

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dibbz:

yeh guess i'll upgrade and let you know then

[05:25:10]

iamlindoro:

I'm less interested in knowing and more interested in someone fixing problems who != me

[05:26:32]

wagnerrp:

can you actually have a file with a '#' in the name?

[05:26:41]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's to tell you that the person making it works on a windows box.

[05:28:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

and wouldn't know a command line from a bluescreen if they weren't different colors.

[05:28:49]

wagnerrp:

you cant lay that solely on windows users

[05:29:10]

wagnerrp:

i once asked a friend how to pull up the terminal on her powerbook and got a blank stare

[05:29:20]

iamlindoro:

In my defense, I didn't define this filename :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) technically I used a lowercase w, but that's just an excuse I'm using now.

[05:30:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have to call it a 'text window' when I'm trying to get my wife to do something on her machine over the phone.

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dibbz:

my partner is a developer, its cool. I only cop the usual jibjab and no pc support

[05:38:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

without the extra video info fields like width, height, etc., I'd only have to add 6 fields to videometadata to use that to store recordings files in. chanid, starttime, filesize, dirname, storagegroup, and comment. chanid >= 0 indicates a recording, comment indicates whether it's the original file, a transcoded copy, a flv, an iPod file, etc.. ProgramInfo's insert_program could fill in the title, subtitle, etc. info w

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Captain_Murdoch:

hen the recording started.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, meant chanid > 0 is recording. chanid = 0 == MV

[05:39:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

I don't think you can have a chanid 0 unless you hand edit your DB.

[05:42:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

might make sense to have a separate flag to indicate MV though, and if that was set, when we delete the recording, we don't delete the videometadata entry. moving a file to MV is just changing that flag and "deleting the recording", or the flag could be set anytime to make sure the file was preserved. need that "move file between SG's code". When I wrote the RemoteFile writer code, I tested it using 2 RingBuffers, one re

[05:42:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

ading and one writing, copying files between backends.

[05:43:06]

iamlindoro:

Could use categories

[05:43:13]

Dassu:

Is it possible to wake up mytbox from S2ram with a serial IR receiver ?

[05:43:22]

Dassu:

I think that's possible with USB O_o

[05:43:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I was thinking the category field could be populated from the category field in the program table.

[05:44:09]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, S'pose that's right

[05:44:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

Dassu, -users question, but probably not. I think the wakeup is on ring detected.

[05:45:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

MV could filter or show the non-MV files easily enough. that would bypass Recording Groups' semi-security I guess.

[05:46:19]

** Captain_Murdoch is liking the idea more and more when he thinks abou it. **

[05:46:49]

xris:

who's working on Terra?

[05:46:54]

iamlindoro:

gbee

[05:47:35]

xris:

ok, guess I could have just checked the svn logs. heh.

[05:47:51]

xris:

recordings page needs the highlight colors changed.

[05:48:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

you mean from title <-> episode?

[05:48:15]

xris:

tried graphite for awhile tonight. my wife vetoed it. says it's too busy.

[05:48:17]

xris:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah.

[05:48:25]

** iamlindoro shrugs **

[05:48:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago.

[05:48:35]

iamlindoro:

Tell her I think her cupcakes taste funny ;)

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xris:

the main issue is that it's not consistent. only the title ever turns dark — episodes are always white no matter what.

[05:49:08]

xris:

iamlindoro: she thinks the recordings page is too busy (and the rest of it is missing artwork)

[05:49:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

right.

[05:49:16]

wagnerrp:

the highlight color theme-wide needs to be tweeked a bit

[05:49:20]

kormoc:

xris: that might be your QT theme, I had to switch mine to a different one for it to work

[05:49:28]

kormoc:

xris: and JAMU will give you all the missing artwork

[05:49:37]

wagnerrp:

the menus are especially difficult to use

[05:49:42]

wagnerrp:

settings menus

[05:50:04]

xris:

kormoc: jamu fills in things like "settings" artwork?

[05:50:20]

kormoc:

no, but recording artwork

[05:50:25]

** kormoc isn't missing setting artwork? **

[05:50:32]

kormoc:

I am in tera but not graphite?

[05:50:34]

xris:

ah. none of my sections have artwork

[05:50:36]

xris:

terra has them

[05:50:43]

kormoc:

heh, that's odd

[05:50:54]

xris:

I just figured it was something iamlindoro hadn't added yet. or had chosen to make text-only

[05:50:54]

iamlindoro:

Dunno what counts as settings artwork

[05:51:07]

xris:

iamlindoro: from the main page (with "watch tv", etc) all I have is text.

[05:51:16]

iamlindoro:

Ah, you mean watermarks

[05:51:28]

xris:

same with the second level deep of navigation

[05:51:56]

xris:

anyway, wife's biggest complaint about the recordings screen (really the only thing she saw) was that it's too busy.

[05:52:31]

iamlindoro:

Her cupcakes have too much baking powder

[05:52:47]

xris:

I like the subtitles there, but they do seem to take up a lot of focus for reading.

[05:53:10]

xris:

not sure what it would take to make them feel less jumbled (at least not without a lot of work rearranging on the page)

[05:53:19]

kormoc:

hrm

[05:53:23]

** iamlindoro shurgs **

[05:53:26]

iamlindoro:

I like it

[05:53:32]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: can you apply a mask to the fan art?

[05:53:37]

xris:

and that's why we have lots of themes. or at least 2 good ones now. :)

[05:53:40]

kormoc:

meaning to darken it a bit?

[05:53:44]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, On almost every page, I already do

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kormoc:

yeah, I think I might tweak mine darker actually

[05:53:58]

iamlindoro:

ie the menu bare and RSS bar at the top are masked out

[05:54:03]

iamlindoro:

er menu bar

[05:54:10]

kormoc:

I have a few fan art things that are almost blinding still

[05:54:21]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Just tweak the alpha down

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** kormoc nods **

[05:54:40]

iamlindoro:

I think I have it set to 200 on most pages, 120–140 or so might suit you better

[05:55:32]

kormoc:

255–0 range with 255 being no alpha change?

[05:55:58]

iamlindoro:

correct

[05:56:02]

kormoc:

rgr dgr

[05:56:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

xris, did you see my earlier comment about MythVideo and MythTV sharing a 'files' table instead of MythTV using recordedfiles and MV using videometadata. I'm wondering about merging them which would make a lot of things easier code-wise, including giving MythVideo the ability to show all TV recordings.

[05:57:52]

xris:

kind of makes sense to me

[05:58:14]

xris:

would make things easier to move out of mythtv and into mythvideo, too

[05:58:21]

xris:

"transcode to mythvideo"

[05:58:30]

xris:

esp. with all of this cool meta data stuff I keep hearing about.

[05:58:37]

iamlindoro:

you don't want that

[05:58:40]

iamlindoro:

it's busy ;)

[05:59:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

yep, the thought was there would just be a flag indicating if it was a video or recording. moving a recording to MV is just changing that flag. when you delete the recording, it deletes only files that don't have that flag set.

[05:59:41]

iamlindoro:

I would really like to have MythVideo using programinfo

[06:00:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

may need to have 2 flags, one for each MythTV & MythVideo, so they wouldn't delete a file out from under the other.

[06:01:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

merging their files cuts out a lot of dup code in ProgramInfo regarding seek and markup tables.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I wonder whether it might be smart to start a new table that we can design from scratch, and then do DB updates from both legacy tables to move them into the new one

[06:07:46]

xris:

hmm. looks like the videometadata table isn't quite ready to handle both imdb and tmdb ID numbers

[06:07:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, I'd start a new one.

[06:08:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

created by libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp

[06:08:19]

xris:

I wonder how crazy this would get if I got hired at imdb

[06:08:26]

iamlindoro:

xris, MythVideo's UI expects that only IMDB numbers will ever be used

[06:08:29]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, yeah

[06:08:42]

xris:

iamlindoro: yeah. but it'd be nice to get tmdb into mythweb to provide a link

[06:09:03]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm all for new functionality but I feel maybe we (and I don't mean you) tend to bolt on new functionality when a break with the past would sometime be best

[06:09:14]

xris:

iamlindoro: would be easy enough to just rename inetref to imdbref and add a tmdbref column

[06:09:43]

iamlindoro:

xris, Anduin has designs on a UUID for each record that will determine which grabber was last used so that it is used in the future

[06:09:52]

iamlindoro:

Which will solve that problem for you

[06:09:54]

xris:

iamlindoro: what, you mean like completely blowing away the program table schema and doing something sane and actually relational? ;)

[06:10:18]

iamlindoro:

xris, I have to say it in this channel, that kind of thing would have my commit access revoked in #mythtv ;)

[06:10:23]

iamlindoro:

And it's still shiny and new!

[06:10:23]

xris:

iamlindoro: actually, it wouldn't. tmdb returns the imdb id. it would be nice to have links to both sites for people who want to go there from mythweb.

[06:10:43]

iamlindoro:

xris, TMDB returns IMDB # *now* to work with our legacy implementation

[06:11:03]

iamlindoro:

TMDB.pl could easily do all the searching/referencing by TMDB #s

[06:11:11]

iamlindoro:

and wagnerrp has a patch in trac to do just that

[06:11:18]

xris:

iamlindoro: yeah, but it's still nice to have the imdb number for reference.

[06:11:34]

xris:

and I'm not just saying that because they might hire me. :)

[06:11:38]

iamlindoro:

blah IMDB ;)

[06:12:06]

iamlindoro:

IMO TMDB, while still a baby, offers a brighter future for projects like ours

[06:12:15]

xris:

it does

[06:12:25]

xris:

imdb has some interesting things coming up in the future, though.

[06:12:32]

xris:

will see if they can pull them off

[06:12:40]

Anduin:

None of which we will be able to use...

[06:13:46]

xris:

Anduin: depends. they didn't even know about tmdb, though.

[06:13:54]

xris:

at least the dev mgr I talked to

[06:14:19]

xris:

they may not even realize what they're missing out on. a lot of those policies are written by legal depts that don't have a clue about such things

[06:14:44]

xris:

they *do* need to redo their website.. at least make it look like it's from this decade. heh

[06:15:01]

xris:

tmdb has a lot of potential copyright problems with that artwork

[06:15:10]

Anduin:

That isn't really surprising, I'm not against keeping the imdb number in the records (could be another piece of data returned) but their TOS would limit it to maybe being useful when creating links in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

and hooking into mythbrowser

[06:15:45]

xris:

Anduin: yeah. and that's all I'm thinking about now. That and the chance tha SD might subscribe to a TMS feed that might have iMDB numbers in it.

[06:16:22]

Anduin:

Yean, I still don't think tmdb comes close to something legal

[06:16:38]

xris:

I've talked a bit with them about that. thetvdb.com, too

[06:17:30]

wagnerrp:

well they make it very easy on the website to report a copyright violation on artwork

[06:17:45]

iamlindoro:

at the urging of xris :)

[06:17:48]

xris:

but *all* of the artwork is a copyright violation.

[06:18:10]

xris:

companies like imdb and tms pay huge fees to the copyright holders for permission to use movie posters, etc.

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xris:

tmdb escapes now because they're small.

[06:18:47]

wagnerrp:

well it will be interesting to see what happens when they get big enough to show up on someone's radar

[06:18:52]

xris:

and I'd hate to see travis get his with a lawsuit.

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[06:19:16]

xris:

afk — time to take out the trash.

[06:21:00]

wagnerrp:

does the frontend socket intentionally only allow one connection?

[06:22:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yes originally, but there's a multi-connection patch I haven't had a chance to review.

[06:22:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

they didn't pay me to make it multi-user. :)

[06:23:16]

wagnerrp:

just thinking that might become a problem with all the ipod/android/whatever interfaces on the mailing list

[06:23:35]

wagnerrp:

just noticed it while messing around with things

[06:23:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I looked at the patch a little the other day, but needed longer to wrap my head around it.

[06:23:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

feel free to test and report back. :)

[06:24:41]

wagnerrp:

i was actually looking at expanding this little python/ncurses thing

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[06:24:59]

wagnerrp:

have it display some current running properties

[06:25:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

that looked interesting when I saw it.

[06:25:09]

wagnerrp:

like uptime, system load, memory load

[06:25:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

it == email notice.

[06:25:28]

wagnerrp:

i want to know who i got it from to give them credit

[06:25:46]

wagnerrp:

but google's cache of beirdo's logs is rather incomplete

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xris:

wagnerrp: there *is* a search function built into the bot

[06:36:54]

wagnerrp:

in the bot, not the webpage?

[06:37:31]

xris:

yeah

[06:37:34]

wagnerrp:

the trac site seems to be down

[06:38:06]

xris:

-> /msg MythLogBot help search

[06:38:15]

xris:

hope it works. I wrote that part. heh.

[06:38:22]

iamlindoro:

Bah, the mythvideo delete is horked somehow

[06:38:33]

iamlindoro:

always claims it failed to delete the file, even though it does

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iamlindoro:

then "touch" the same filename, and try to delete again, succeeds

[06:39:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, something like this: http://pastebin.ca/1529098

[06:39:48]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I like it a lot

[06:39:54]

iamlindoro:

100% behind the idea

[06:40:02]

** Captain_Murdoch wonders why beirdobot just sent him something. **

[06:40:30]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Planning to try to move metadata handling/downloading into the backend for .23 so it'd be nice to hook it in for everything covered by this table

[06:41:07]

iamlindoro:

ie be able to have the backend pull in fanart/coverfile/etc. at around the time it generates a preview for a recording, then just reassign the recording to mythvideo when one wants to archive it

[06:41:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, gotcha.

[06:42:33]

iamlindoro:

ah, I know what the delete issue is

[06:42:39]

iamlindoro:

the files in question are symlinks

[06:42:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

need to have the ability to share files. how do? you handle that now, if you delete a video, do you keep it's fanart around if it's the same as used by another video ro are all files uniquely named?

[06:43:09]

xris:

oooh, 15% off hard drives at newegg...

[06:43:36]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, For the most part, TV Fanart/cover/etc. are named on a season level and re-used... currently no metadata cleanup is done on a delete but I intend to fix that, and soon

[06:43:54]

iamlindoro:

ie check for its use elsewhere, and if not, purge the relevant files

[06:44:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, be forewarned, the delete code honors the DeletesFollowLinks setting.

[06:44:50]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, it *seems* the code is deleting a symlink but returning 0

[06:44:59]

iamlindoro:

deleting a genuine file returns 1

[06:49:29]

xris:

I think my wife just used "baby coming soon" as a request for me to buy hard drives. lol

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, found a bug. if you have DeletesFollowLinks Off, the link will get deleted but the command returns 0 saying it didn't do anything. it should return a 1 to say the link was deleted. let me check the logic to make sure I didn't miss something in the logic I removed.

[06:52:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

ah, previously the bug only showed up if you were doing slow deletes, now it shows up all the time.

[06:55:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, MainServer::DeleteFile returns -1 in the case of "follow symlinks" being off and it deleted a symlink. but the return value is supposed to be the file descriptor of the file being deleted, so -1 is an error in that case.

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Captain_Murdoch:

stupid bot IM-ed me again.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Hitting the sack, but thanks for looking at that

[06:58:18]

Captain_Murdoch:

will have a fix in in a few minutes and then I'm off as well.

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: what's the bot saying?

[07:13:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

giving me "3 best matches"

[07:13:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

3 links

[07:13:23]

xris:

did you do a test search?

[07:13:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, it must think I did from my comments above.

[07:13:42]

xris:

could, yeah

[07:13:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

will repaste one...

[07:13:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, MainServer::DeleteFile returns -1 in the case of "follow symlinks" being off and it deleted a symlink. but the return value is supposed to be the file descriptor of the file being deleted, so -1 is an error in that case.

[07:14:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

that one triggered it earlier for some reason, but not now.

[07:17:02]

xris:

hmm, auto commflag is off by default in mythweb....

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clever:

xris: yeah i saw that this week, but thought it was just a problem on my end

[07:19:14]

clever:

it affects auto transcode also

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xris:

kormoc says he knows how to fix.

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baffle:

How do I select wich DVB audio stream is default? One of the channels I use have swedish/norwegian/danish/finnish audio in the transport stream, but it always select swedish (the first). I want it to select the norwegian stream.

[07:25:55]

[James]:

After I rip a DVD, it doesnt show up in my videos. How can I watch them?

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slacker-:

hi there

[07:43:04]

slacker-:

I've got an mkv file, which I play with mplayer. The included subtitles show in black. How can I change that to white?

[07:43:14]

slacker-:

I've tried -ass and various options but none of them seemed to make a difference

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clever:

slacker-: 'man mplayer'

[07:51:30]

slacker-:

that's where I got the -ass stuff from

[07:51:56]

slacker-:

if you know the correct option, please tell me

[07:52:06]

clever:

slacker-: if you keep searching, youll see things like -ass-color <value>

[07:52:14]

slacker-:

I tried that

[07:52:46]

clever:

with and without -ass?

[07:52:55]

slacker-:

-ass --ass-color ffff0000 --ass-border 00000000

[07:53:01]

clever:

what about -sub-bg-color

[07:53:06]

slacker-:

didn't work

[07:53:08]

clever:

the subs may not be .ass based

[07:54:10]

clever:

[mkv] Track ID 3: subtitles (S_TEXT/ASS) "ASS", -sid 0, -slang eng

[07:54:10]

clever:

[mkv] Track ID 4: subtitles (S_TEXT/UTF8) "SRT", -sid 1, -slang eng

[07:54:26]

clever:

in this file i pulled up, i have both ass and utf8 subs, but it varies from file to file

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slacker-:

mine as S_VOBSUB

[07:54:53]

clever:

ah, vobsub is more of a bitmap image i hear

[07:55:00]

clever:

no true 'text' in the subtitles

[07:55:21]

slacker-:

can I convert vobsub to ass?

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clever:

its basicaly an image, so you cant really convert it without OCR software to read the image

[07:56:19]

clever:

wouldnt work that well

[07:56:34]

clever:

what did you try with -sub-bg-color?

[07:57:46]

juski:

prolly only by OCR'ing it

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** kormoc wonders if converting vobsub to ass is a troll or not **

[07:58:43]

kormoc:

ooh, it's a real format... huh

[07:59:02]

juski:

they have a comedian in their ranks, obviously ;)

[07:59:59]

** juski sets to work on the Fine Universal Colours Kontainer format **

[08:00:26]

clever:

:D

[08:03:15]

juski:

heh. been asked to look after a DVR unit to see if it's a good candidate for testing a new PSU.. and yes -it's already been up for 19 hours without rebooting :D

[08:03:36]

juski:

that's amazing!

[08:04:05]

juski:

no, ordinarily it wouldn't be amazing, I know that. But when it's one of our products, it IS ;)

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netrix_:

is there way to scan for new music and update the database outside of the frontend? so that it could be done automatically with a cronjob ...?

[08:10:33]

juski:

nope

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netrix_:

dang.

[08:10:49]

netrix_:

thanks juski.

[08:10:58]

juski:

not without writing your own script & doing the database updates yourself

[08:11:12]

slacker-:

clever: both 0 and 255 look the same

[08:11:28]

slacker-:

vlc displays them in white, though

[08:11:30]

slacker-:

weird

[08:11:37]

netrix_:

thats what i figured ... not sure if i trust myself to start mucking with mythconverg.

[08:11:58]

juski:

slacker-: maybe it's doing some kung-fu on the encoded bitmaps in the vobsub file

[08:12:18]

slacker-:

can I get text subtitles from dvds?

[08:12:23]

juski:

no

[08:12:29]

juski:

not without OCR'ing em

[08:12:44]

juski:

they're always bitmaps

[08:13:01]

slacker-:

hm :/

[08:13:02]

juski:

doing it that way makes the playback hardware cheap

[08:13:14]

slacker-:

yeah, I guess

[08:13:33]

slacker-:

surely, these days, a font renderer can't be that expensive

[08:13:43]

juski:

and it ensures that what the producer outputs is what the customer gets

[08:14:06]

slacker-:

put both on then..

[08:14:12]

juski:

why?

[08:14:19]

slacker-:

because I want it :)

[08:14:22]

juski:

lol

[08:14:34]

slacker-:

well, I'm not going to OCR them

[08:15:03]

sid3windr:

what?

[08:15:08]

sid3windr:

dvd subs are bitmaps?!

[08:15:13]

juski:

as subjects for OCR go, they're pretty easy to do reliably

[08:15:17]

sid3windr:

jezus f. christ

[08:15:22]

slacker-:

I wonder what the palette in the vobsub index file is for

[08:15:28]

juski:

sid3windr: sub pictures actually

[08:15:58]

juski:

sid3windr: but yeah they're actual images

[08:16:00]

clever:

juski: i havent seen much usable OCR software for linuxx

[08:16:07]

sid3windr:

:)

[08:16:10]

juski:

they are in DVB too

[08:16:25]

sid3windr:

i've seen dvb subs

[08:16:29]

sid3windr:

they look nice :]

[08:16:35]

sid3windr:

but I guess that depends on the broadcaster then

[08:16:49]

sid3windr:

clever: gocr can't even decode computer produced non-proportional font :/

[08:16:51]

juski:

well, you can have text subtitles in DVB aswell..

[08:16:59]

clever:

sid3windr: lol:(

[08:17:12]

sid3windr:

it sees l's as I's etc

[08:17:20]

juski:

but whether or not you get them in text format depends on which country you live in. not all places adopted the standard

[08:17:29]

clever:

sid3windr: would need some dictionary logic to smooth that out

[08:17:59]

juski:

geeks like typing up dialogue, let them make their own subs :P

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slacker-:

aha

[08:23:29]

slacker-:

so the palette in the idx file does it

[08:23:57]

juski:

anyway if mplayer is broken, take it up with them :P

[08:24:19]

slacker-:

it might not be

[08:26:14]

juski:

just re-rip the DVD yourself, making sure the palette index is right this time :P

[08:26:24]

slacker-:

I did that

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slacker-:

hm, using a palette from a different dvd works better

[08:29:47]

slacker-:

odd

[08:30:51]

juski:

what's on the original disc? #333333 coloured text on a #000000 background? :P

[08:31:02]

slacker-:

which one is which?

[08:31:17]

slacker-:

there are at least 10 triplets

[08:31:17]

juski:

in html, #000000 is black

[08:31:50]

slacker-:

17

[08:32:07]

juski:

I dunno the specs of DVD subtitles but I suspect they don't allow many colours to be defined

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juski:

saves space ;)

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juski:

prolly 16 colours & transparency

[08:34:15]

juski:

or 16 foreground colours & the background colour

[08:35:01]

juski:

"Subtitles are restricted to four colors (including transparency) and thus tend to look cruder than permanent subtitles on film"

[08:35:24]

juski:

http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Subpic.html

[08:37:11]

slacker-:

uh, look at that http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mencoder- . . . /009279.html

[08:38:23]

juski:

see. mplayer is broken :P

[08:38:41]

juski:

or the ripped files are. or both

[08:38:41]

slacker-:

hmm

[08:39:01]

slacker-:

well his reads very much like my problem

[08:39:09]

slacker-:

so I shall assume mplayer is broken

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juski:

if I wanted to watch films with subtitles on them I'd grow a beard, stop eating meat, smoke a pipe, wear jesus sandals & clothes made of hemp

[08:40:18]

slacker-:

how many languages do you speak?

[08:40:24]

juski:

one is enough

[08:40:30]

slacker-:

that explains :)

[08:41:29]

juski:

I was kidding. A lot of foreign films can be erm.. more cerebral than the majority of Hollywood output

[08:41:42]

juski:

but that's not difficult ;-)

[08:43:22]

juski:

and I can speak enough French (or could at one point) to reclaim my hire car from a police impound after it was towed for being incorrectly parked

[08:43:25]

juski:

;)

[08:45:30]

slacker-:

well, with english my 2nd I'd like to be able to rewind and read what I just didn't quite understand

[08:45:33]

slacker-:

sometimes

[08:46:19]

juski:

hell, English is my native language & I sometimes have problems keeping up with what people say in 'The Wire'

[08:46:34]

slacker-:

there you go. that's what subtitles are for :)

[08:47:02]

juski:

and some British films have to be shown with subs in other ENGLISH speaking countries :P

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slacker-:

ah, nothing like a good pommie accent

[08:47:40]

juski:

with The Wire it's not so much the accents, it's the actual words they use

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juski:

I don't speak 'street'. I is not down wit da kidz

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slacker-:

hm, do they put street lingo in the subs?

[08:49:46]

juski:

I've never looked. pride is a terrible thing ;)

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sid3windr:

So, you've never called for a cab, innit.

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juski:

bet you wouldn't know what I was on about if I said I was gannin doon tha toon tha neet

[08:51:16]

sid3windr:

what? :p

[08:51:24]

slacker-:

who died?

[08:51:32]

sid3windr:

who were you gunning down exactly?

[08:51:38]

juski:

(going down town tonight)

[08:51:47]

sid3windr:

what

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sid3windr:

that's just scottish

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juski:

nope

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sid3windr:

;)

[08:52:02]

juski:

near enough though :P

[08:52:10]

juski:

geographically speaking

[08:52:14]

sid3windr:

well with scottish.filter on I would have understood it :>

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slacker-:

doesn't sound irish

[08:52:28]

sid3windr:

or rather simpsons.willie filter

[08:52:34]

sid3windr:

or willy, wot evah ;)

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juski:

Ireland is nowhere near Scotland geographically

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slacker-:

relative

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juski:

in UK terms it's nowhere near

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slacker-:

fien :)

[08:53:24]

slacker-:

I was right then. good

[08:54:58]

** juski wonders if there's a distro which is better for laptops.. i.e. one that doesn't wilfully waste battery power like Ubuntu does **

[08:55:36]

juski:

it darkens the screen when it's inactive oh sure. But when I resume activity it turns the monitor brightness up full. Grrr

[08:58:22]

sid3windr:

dude

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slacker-:

they still haven't fixed that?

[08:58:23]

sid3windr:

it's open source

[08:58:24]

sid3windr:

fix it!

[08:58:29]

sid3windr:

</genericexcuse>

[08:58:44]

sid3windr:

or to put it in mythspeak: FRWOP!

[08:58:59]

slacker-:

damn I wonder which -dev package I need to install to enable mplayer actually displaying something

[08:59:08]

slacker-:

(after rebuilding it)

[08:59:23]

clever:

juski: that sounds more like a driver problem, i dont get that under my ubuntu or gentoo systems

[09:00:39]

juski:

I'm assuming there must be a very good reason why remembering the last brightness setting is impossible or they'd have done it

[09:01:51]

clever:

is it just when you leave it alone for a while, like the screen saver/dpms?

[09:01:55]

clever:

or full standby/suspend?

[09:02:08]

slacker-:

what do I need for xv?

[09:02:36]

juski:

a driver that supports it, above all else

[09:03:08]

slacker-:

mplayer that came with ubuntu uses xv, so I'm assuming that'll do

[09:04:46]

clever:

check the output of 'xvinfo'

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** stuarta cluebats ch5 **

[09:05:37]

slacker-:

what am I looking for?

[09:05:56]

stuarta:

you can't show highlights of the whole of the 5th ashes test on Thu at 3am, since play doesn't start until 11am that day

[09:06:10]

clever:

slacker-: if it spews a ton, then xv is working

[09:06:17]

slacker-:

it does

[09:06:18]

AndyCap:

slacker-: libXv-devel on fedora at least

[09:06:24]

slacker-:

aha

[09:06:42]

AndyCap:

slacker-: but perhaps you should read the configure output? :>

[09:07:30]

slacker-:

the output or the log?

[09:07:43]

AndyCap:

start with the output?

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slacker-:

and what am I looking for in there?

[09:08:08]

slacker-:

Xv.... no?

[09:09:55]

slacker-:

it just doesn't build any useful video output drivers ..

[09:11:26]

slacker-:

damn, now they want to go to the Tav :/

[09:11:34]

slacker-:

I'll never get things done this way

[09:13:59]

slacker-:

hm

[09:14:13]

slacker-:

alright, thanks for your help guys

[09:14:19]

slacker-:

have a good weekend!

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Hadaka:

hi! for some reason, the language preferences I've set are not always applied to EIT data – I see some swedish entries for programs that have finnish entries as well

[09:37:56]

jduggan:

swedish, finish, its all the same

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sid3windr:

finish!

[09:38:11]

jduggan:

sorry, im not very constructive

[09:38:18]

jduggan:

and i also spell finnish wrong

[09:38:19]

jduggan:

:)

[09:38:39]

jduggan:

but i just made a royal booboo

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jduggan:

:P

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Hadaka:

heh

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Hadaka:

hmmh, now I'm confused again

[09:43:12]

Hadaka:

is it the frontend or the backend that inserts EIT data in to the programs table?

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sid3windr:

backend

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Hadaka:

right – but the language preferences in the settings table are recorded for the frontend hostname

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stuarta:

are you saying they broadcast eit data in 2 languages?

[09:44:28]

stuarta:

for the same program?

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Hadaka:

stuarta: yes, or usually 3

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stuarta:

ooo errr....

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sid3windr:

hmm

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Hadaka:

I'm gonna go dig in the code again to confirm that how is the language preferences data fetched

[09:45:16]

sid3windr:

I don't think the programs table supports multiple languages

[09:45:26]

stuarta:

no it doesn#t

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sid3windr:

so selection on frontend does what exactly? :P

[09:45:41]

stuarta:

the languages stuff is in the frontend for selecting stuff like the audio streams

[09:46:04]

Hadaka:

well, the eit scanner uses the same language stuff to pick which eit description to use

[09:46:09]

stuarta:

since on dvb, there is often multiple audio track in different channels

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stuarta:

i'd have to re-read the code to know what it'll do

[09:47:33]

Hadaka:

I've read the code and it seems sound – but I'm still getting some swedish entries – and now I'm thinking the blame is that the preferences are not set for the backend, only the frontend – and if the backend and frontend are on different machines, it won't work

[09:47:49]

stuarta:

that's possible

[09:48:07]

stuarta:

in which case you would get whatever comes first

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Hadaka:

stuarta: right, which is "random" – some programs have swedish first, some have finnish

[09:50:03]

Hadaka:

gContext->GetSetting(QString("ISO639Language%1").arg(i), "").toLower();

[09:50:09]

Hadaka:

more or less

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stuarta:

simple test then is to set the language on you backend machine

[09:54:02]

Hadaka:

yeah, it looks confirmed

[09:54:30]

Hadaka:

the backend, when it is doing the language hooplaboobla, just uses gContext->GetSetting like I mentioned above

[09:54:36]

stuarta:

if you truncate eit_cache; it'll cause it to re-download all available eit data

[09:55:03]

Hadaka:

the gContext->GetSetting resolves to MythDB::GetSetting, which does this:

[09:55:12]

Hadaka:

query.prepare("SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value "

[09:55:12]

Hadaka:

"= :KEY AND hostname = :HOSTNAME ;");

[09:55:12]

Hadaka:

query.bindValue(":KEY", key);

[09:55:12]

Hadaka:

query.bindValue(":HOSTNAME", d->m_localhostname);

[09:55:35]

Hadaka:

so, m_localhostname is used in the setting query, and that's different on the backend

[09:55:36]

stuarta:

yup

[09:56:02]

Hadaka:

if I just truncate eit_cache, will all programs in the programs table be updated? or do I need to truncate programs as well?

[09:56:50]

stuarta:

it forces it to treat all the incoming data as new

[09:57:07]

stuarta:

i personally also do delete * from programs where StartTime > now();

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Hadaka:

well, this is a fresh install, so I can just nuke it all, it isn't important

[09:57:37]

stuarta:

then gfi

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Hadaka:

okay, added the language settings manually and nuked eit cache and programs, let's see

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Hadaka:

hmmh, I need to wait 60 seconds for it to start the eit scan I guess

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Hadaka:

ferpect! it works! I'll file a bug report, though

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stuarta:

why? it's a configuration issue

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Hadaka:

which table are the program long descriptions in?

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stuarta:

program

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Hadaka:

hmmh, can't see them there, are they fetched on-demand or something?

[11:10:10]

Hadaka:

hmmh, now I can see them, odd

[11:10:20]

gbee:

SELECT description FROM program;

[11:14:00]

gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/critical_linux_bug/

[11:14:08]

Hadaka:

hmmh, bummer, it seems like fixing the 'movie' categories by program length gets quite a few errors – for example, Los Serrano is 1h24m where as the movie The Deal is 1h16m

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filefreak:

hey all. Is there a way to increase the buffer for watching recordings on the mythfrontend?

[11:16:57]

filefreak:

i can watch videos fine streaming using mplayer, but not using mythfrontend

[11:20:28]

gbee:

filefreak: what network? you can't increase buffering without hacking at the code and you shouldn't need to, it will scale the buffer as needed

[11:21:50]

filefreak:

im using a wireless network

[11:22:12]

filefreak:

its got a decent signal

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Hadaka:

well, the Los Serranos seems to be the only one that long – I think I'll put a limit of 1h15m here, and it's good enough

[11:22:24]

gbee:

but rubbish signal quality probably

[11:22:57]

filefreak:

why does mythtv send so much data to the mythfrontend then?

[11:23:07]

filefreak:

it it plays fine in other players

[11:23:16]

gbee:

the same files?

[11:23:17]

Hadaka:

okay, if I put category_type as 'tvshow', what should I put as category? can I put anything I want as category, or are valid categories listed somewhere?

[11:23:19]

filefreak:

yep

[11:23:24]

filefreak:

HD too

[11:24:02]

filefreak:

iv read other people complaining about this

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gbee:

filefreak: I have zero problems with an 802.11b connection

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gbee:

well if you manage to fix it properly, then a patch would be welcome

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Hadaka:

also, if I want to convert all movies shorter than 1h15m to tvshow, should I put this just a cron script that changes the program table? or is there a better place? does mythtv get bothered by me changing the category of programs behind the scenes?

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gbee:

Hadaka: if (type == movie && length <= 60) – you only need to rewrite those which are already marked as a movie

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Hadaka:

gbee: yeah, obviously:

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Hadaka:

where category_type = 'movie' and time_to_sec(timediff(endtime,starttime)) <= 75*60;

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gbee:

Hadaka: put it in the EIT fixups and submit a patch

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Hadaka:

gbee: where's EIT fixups? in the source code or some scripts?

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gbee:

source

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gbee:

libs/libmythtv/eitfixup.cpp

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Hadaka:

okay, will take a peek

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gbee:

fixups are by network/country

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Hadaka:

where is the event.fixup bitmask set?

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janneg:

in eithelper.cpp

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Hadaka:

thanks

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filefreak:

+gbee i would try and see if i could optimise the data sent over the network, but i dont know how

[11:34:04]

filefreak:

i wouldn't imagine it would be a simple tweaking

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filefreak:

where would i start?

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Hadaka:

filefreak: install something which shows how much you are transferring over the network – dstat is my tool of choice

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Hadaka:

filefreak: see how much transfer mplayer causes, and compare it to the amount of transfer mythtv frontend causes

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filefreak:

alright good advice ill get right on it

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coolthreads:

anyone here anyone here got some cues about DVB-S

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rek:

hi

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rek:

need to install on hardy this prg

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pat___:

you'll need to describe what you're asking better than that

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stuarta:

i only understood because i'm fluent in gibberish

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coolthreads:

hey rek

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coolthreads:

im pleased there are some active people in here

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coolthreads:

been in #ubuntu-mythtv the last few days and its so dead

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pat___:

if you want to install mythtv in ubuntu-hardy I suggest you use the mythbuntu weekly builds available at www.mythbuntu.org

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Hadaka:

what's a suitable category for category_type 'Series' programs? can someone give me an example?

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pat___:

where you want to go is http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[11:52:40]

Hadaka:

select distinct category, category_type from program where category_type = 'series';

[11:54:00]

coolthreads:

i am new to mythtv, managed to get most things running, just trying to get my dvb-s card sorted

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juski:

there's a lot of merit in making sure the hardware all works *before* even running mythtv ;-)

[11:55:07]

juski:

less unknowns if you run into problems

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coolthreads:

I been using ubuntu for a couple years now, so got a couple cues

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coolthreads:

I have a dish that was already setup for a paytv service, but we have a free service available now, which is on the same satellite

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coolthreads:

I just plugged the cable into this dvb card basically

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juski:

my advice would be to test the tuner outside of mythtv first

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juski:

in linux of course

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coolthreads:

at the terminal Im able to enter dvdtune and other attributes and get information returning as expected and open other tab and type scan -c and it return expected info

[12:00:51]

coolthreads:

just no success using backend setup

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juski:

in mythtv-setup you need to specify an initial transponder to tune to while scanning for dvb-s

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juski:

you generally get those details from somewhere like the lyngsat website

[12:02:24]

juski:

maybe at some point those could be incorporated into the scanner but for now you need to enter them yourself

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juski:

sounds like another job for services.mythtv.org at some point in the future :)

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stuarta:

juski: we've a few ideas don't worry ;-)

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** stuarta ponders whether it's better to get $ky or virgin **

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juski:

stuarta: does it really make any difference? You'll have to use analogue capture for either of them if you wanna use them in myth

[12:05:47]

stuarta:

no, this is so me and the missus can watch live sport

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juski:

Sky might be cheaper if you already have a BT line at home

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juski:

we don't, so switching to Sky means a BT line reconnection fee :(

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stuarta:

currently have nothing

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stuarta:

well

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stuarta:

dish on roof with quad lnb

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coolthreads:

its weird I enter the info I got from lyngsat, but always returns no root device tree node

[12:06:39]

stuarta:

virgin connector already installed

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stuarta:

coolthreads: pick another transponder, maybe one with a known main channel like bbc

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juski:

stuarta: VM will prolly save you the BT line connection fee

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stuarta:

do i get a static ip?

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d00gle:

coolthreads: did you add an LNB to your card in mythtv-setup

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juski:

stuarta: as good as

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coolthreads:

yup

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juski:

stuarta: I can't remember the last time my IP address changed, it was so long ago

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juski:

I still use dynamic DNS though, just incase

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d00gle:

have you checked to make sure it is still there ? I know I have added them before and escaped out only to find i'd cancelled adding it

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Hadaka:

I'm putting in category = "Series" – this is wrong, as it isn't the point of category to have series, but "comedy" etc. – but I don't want to put "Unknown" either there, as I want to nicely see the things that the specific fixup has marked separately

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d00gle:

I think I was getting the same no root device tree node error then

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coolthreads:

is there a way to save

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coolthreads:

everytime i go and check its been reset as it seems

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juski:

coolthreads: you save settings by going all the way through to FINISH in each of the 6 mythtv-setup pages#

[12:09:38]

d00gle:

well you press ESC to exit the LNB screen, but have to remember to press enter on FINISH on the next screen

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juski:

that's something else I'd like to look at, at some point – having to go all the way through to FINISH is annoying sometimes

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d00gle:

juski: I agree, it's caught me out a few times

[12:10:28]

juski:

but I'm sure I'm not alone there

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juski:

it makes maintaining the code easier, I can see that though

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coolthreads:

when I press ESC after adding LNB doesnt show a finished, well I cant see it

[12:11:33]

coolthreads:

when pressing ESC it goes to the page saying LNB

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coolthreads:

then I press ESC again

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Hadaka:

dumdum, recompiling mythtv to test the patch

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coolthreads:

i see what finish button you mean,

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juski:

you should make sure that the user mythtv-setup is running as (which on mythbuntu *should* be 'mythtv' IIRC) has permission to use the tuner too

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coolthreads:

thats something will look into

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Hadaka:

heh, compile problem since somebody renamed category_type to categoryType between 0.21 and 0.22 :-)

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rek:

hi

[12:35:24]

rek:

need help

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juski:

the first step is coming out of denial. well done :)

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rek:

can u help me to install it better?

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Hadaka:

is there anywhere where I could see which fixups are in use?

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rek:

can u help me

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juski:

that's about as much help as you're going to get with all that information you gave us about what you're having problems with

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rek:

CAN u help me? mythtv-users

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GreyFoxx:

rek: IF you have questions , just ask

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rek:

hi

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rek:

metal gear?

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GreyFoxx:

If someon can or wants to answer they will

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rek:

i've a problem with mythtv

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rek:

must paste

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rek:

!pste

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rek:

!paste

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rek:

!nopaste

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rek:

]nopaste

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jams:

if your going to paste something use pastebin

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GreyFoxx:

If you need to paste something use pastebin.ca

[13:02:12]

GreyFoxx:

then paste the url in here

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rek:

http://nopaste.com/p/aON1av53W

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jams:

morning GreyFoxx

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[Peter]_:

rek: read the last line

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rek:

didit

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[Peter]_:

and?

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rek:

http://nopaste.com/p/aSbpvTb41

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[Peter]_:

rek: once again, the instructions are on the last line

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Shadow__X:

heh pretty self explanatory

[13:08:42]

rek:

where

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rek:

no

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rek:

i did it

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rek:

Mythbackend must be closed before continuing.

[13:11:14]

rek:

Is it OK to close any currently running mythbackend processes?

[13:11:32]

rek:

Would you like to run mythfilldatabase?

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rek:

http://nopaste.com/p/aqIXO9f5X

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rek:

hei

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rek:

tanderson:

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GreyFoxx:

rek: It looks like you haven't followed any guides or docs. You must setup the base mysql database first, then run mythtv-setup to setup the intial database and configuration

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GreyFoxx:

then you can run th ebackend / frontend

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rek:

setup says what i have pasted

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rek:

i deleted ssome text files can u guide me to compie em ?

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rek:

i dunno where they are

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GreyFoxx:

What files did you delete ?

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Hadaka:

filed a bug with a patch for the finnish program guide heuristics

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Hadaka:

but forgot to make it as enhancement, and it doesn't seem to let me change

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Hadaka:

#6844

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Hadaka:

2009-08–14 16:34:58.415 [h264 @ 0x7f1126313bd0]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding one

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Hadaka:

I see errors like this in my backend logs – why are they in the backend logs? why is the backend decoding h264?

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Hadaka:

oh, nevermind

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Hadaka:

2009-08–14 16:34:58.539 Preview: Grabbed preview '/share/mythtv/recordings/1033_20090814163300.mpg' 1920x1088@64s

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Hadaka:

I assume it would be that one...

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: its far too much fun watching people speculate... :)

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rek:

hi

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rek:

2009-08–14 16:31:31.352 Unexpected DB Schema version. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded.

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rek:

plus the hd works always

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Zathraz:

Hi. somewhat related (sorry for that): I upgraded my distro and also the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.26. Now X won't start as it is missing ivtvdev (pvr350 tvout). Is this driver replaced by something?

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Shadow__X:

Zathraz: linuxtv might be able to answer that for you

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Shadow__X:

#linuxtv channel that is

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Zathraz:

ty

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: thats probably not that area either

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wagnerrp:

hes talking about the video OUTPUT on his PVR350

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Shadow__X:

hmm really

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Shadow__X:

i thought they would have atleast some information but i guess i am mistaken

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Zathraz:

very kinky subject :-( especially the sound issue

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wagnerrp:

of course around here, it is recommended that you drop the 350 output, and just use a normal video card

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wagnerrp:

considering any 10yr old computer or better is capable of decoding everything the 350 can

[15:22:24]

juski:

which version of ivtv have you got?

[15:22:39]

Zathraz:

on an epia with limited space for PCI cards that's not reallty an option

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juski:

eew

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juski:

yeah you need the 350's decoder :P

[15:23:03]

wagnerrp:

juski: from 2.6.24 (i believe) and on, there is no IVTV

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wagnerrp:

and the drivers have moved entirely into the kernel

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Zathraz:

2.6.26–2 kernel. ivtv is part ot the kernel iirc?

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baffle:

How do I select wich DVB audio stream is default? One of the channels I use have swedish/norwegian/danish/finnish audio in the transport stream, but it always select swedish (the first). I want it to select the norwegian stream.

[15:23:35]

Zathraz:

been so from about 2.6.20 or something

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levander_:

I have a Hauppage HVR 1250, cany anyone tell me what to put for "Card Type" in mythtv-setup? Most of the options say something like "Unable to Probe Device", like when I choose IVTV it says that.

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juski:

levander_: it doesn't have an mpeg encoder, that's why

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levander_:

so, what do i put?

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juski:

for digital or for analogue?

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levander_:

digital cable, analog isn't supported

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wagnerrp:

Zathraz: your EPIA doesnt have its own video output and hardware decode acceleration (XvMC)?

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baffle:

levander_: It's a hybrid tuner according to the specs.

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juski:

wagnerrp: not worth a light, I know

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rek:

hi

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baffle:

levander_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250

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rek:

how can i use myth

[15:25:58]

Shadow__X:

levander: you select it under dvb

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juski:

rek: start by reading some documentation

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rek:

juski

[15:26:11]

rek:

installed it

[15:26:15]

juski:

rek: start by reading some documentation

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Zathraz:

wagnerrp, CLE266, 1 Ghz machine. I need the PVRs MPEG2 decoder. Mobo has not enough power

[15:26:20]

rek:

i have some problems

[15:26:34]

juski:

installing it requires no knowledge. setting it up correctly needs you to read the docs

[15:26:44]

wagnerrp:

i would have figured a 1GHz EPIA had plenty power for SD mpeg2

[15:26:51]

juski:

wagnerrp: nope

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rek:

how an i set it up

[15:27:04]

rek:

up it

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juski:

rek: start by reading some documentation

[15:27:13]

wagnerrp:

i mean my 1GHz P3 hardly breaks a sweat

[15:27:16]

rek:

can i give u some errors?

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wagnerrp:

are the EPIA chips that low performance?

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levander_:

baffle: Yeah, I saw that. That page made me think I was supposed to put "V4L", but I noticed that it's actually "Analog V4L" in the select box and analog doesn't apply to me. It said something like "Unable to probe device" below where that select box is when I put "Analog V4L" in there.

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juski:

wagnerrp: yup

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rek:

a rdy strted juski

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juski:

rek: you've gone through all that. people tried to help but you didn't answer with the right information

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Zathraz:

wagnerrp, low performance, but great on low power, low noise, compact, cheap etc

[15:27:59]

juski:

rek: so don't proceed until you're done reading the docs

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juski:

epia isn't cheap for the power you get

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juski:

or rather *don't* get

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wagnerrp:

well my P3 is great on low power too.... it idles at ~6W, load is ~20–25W

[15:28:40]

Zathraz:

I like the new ION/atom based boards too, yet the lack of PCI cards is a big miss

[15:28:54]

baffle:

Zathraz: It is great for its use; a frontend.

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: is that a fe/be

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juski:

having only one tuner would be a disadvantage anyway

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wagnerrp:

FE

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Zathraz:

On the current setup I have a risercard with two PCI TV-cards, so I have 2 tuners

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levander_:

linuxtv.org, those are the guys who make the V4L driver, right?

[15:29:53]

Shadow__X:

i was going to build a fe/be that would use qam on a p4 1.6ghz for sd only but watching recordings on it made me think it would be very unstable

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rek:

lifeview hybrid is my card

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: there is no such thing as QAM SD (or HD)

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rek:

where's the documentation for my problems?

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juski:

rek: the logs you posted in pastebins told you where you had gone wrong. read them. read the docs

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rek:

where?

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juski:

you have problems because you did not read the installation manual

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wagnerrp:

its just whatever resolution and bitrate the stream feels like being at, at that moment

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rek:

ccan u help me understanding better?

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juski:

rek: how did you find this channel?

[15:31:14]

Shadow__X:

yeah whoops i said it wrong

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rek:

irc ubuntu

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Shadow__X:

i know that system wouldnt handle hd is what i meant

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rek:

and hardware

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Shadow__X:

but i had my doubts how stable it would be on sd

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juski:

rek: go read the mythbuntu community documentation

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: it would run just fine on SD

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rek:

can i insstall mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

but you cant provide it SD, unless you transcode all recordings

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, youre going to have a mix of SD and HD

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juski:

rek: probably not, if you can't be bothered to read documentation

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wagnerrp:

you cant disable certain channels for certain frontends

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: with the switch to digital on comcast there are alot of qam channels that arent hd

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rek:

i'm reading

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rek:

italian?

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Zathraz:

hmm. LinuxTv Channel is quite dormant. It's focus is on DVB while my question is about analog YV

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Zathraz:

*TV

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Shadow__X:

but would that system be able to watch a recording while transcoding for mythdvd

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wagnerrp:

SD recording, sure

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wagnerrp:

assuming MTD is properly niced

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iamlindoro:

Zathraz: Then go to #v4l

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levander_:

Ah, I think my problem in understanding was that I thought DVB was some kind of European video format. But, as it turns out, I think that's what I'm supposed to be using for my digital tuner card here in the USA.

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: theres really no point using an old P4 1.6 unless you have absolutely no money to spend

[15:35:02]

wagnerrp:

new parts for a machine that can decode anything recorded in the US can be picked up for <$150

[15:35:11]

wagnerrp:

old parts can probably be had for <$75 on ebay

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i agree the box isnt for me also i wish i could find the amd x2 le cpu's

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: really because i have been looking and me building a system wouldnt of been that cheap

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Zathraz:

levander, check for instance wikipedia on the subject of DVB. There are various DVB standards

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iamlindoro:

levander: No, no DVB in the US

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wagnerrp:

if you already have an existing system, all you need to replace will be the mobo, proc, and memory

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iamlindoro:

levander: US uses ATSC and QAM

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Zathraz:

gets even more interesting when you look at cryptography issues

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wagnerrp:

memory is dirt cheap

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Shadow__X:

hmm true

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wagnerrp:

AMD chips can be had for ~$50, and nvidia boards for $50-$70

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levander_:

damn, still don't know what to put for card type!

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wagnerrp:

spend on the higher end and you get a VDPAU capable board, for some amount of future-proofing

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: hmm yeah true

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wagnerrp:

if you go ahead with the P4, at some point in the near future, youre going to want to watch something on one of the HD stations (even if you dont have it on an HDTV)

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wagnerrp:

and the P4 will be incapable of it

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wagnerrp:

even with XvMC its a stretch

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rek:

can u help me

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rek:

i don't find

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah again its not for me i am helping someone with the switch over to digital and they would be fine with no hd but i full agree with what your saying

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: recommend any motherboards the issue i have found is finding a mb that has composite out or even svideo out with an expansion port

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Shadow__X:

s/port/card

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wagnerrp:

erm... yeah, forgot about that one

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Shadow__X:

they dont make my asus geforce 6150 motherboard anymore

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU capable boards tend not to have SD analog outputs

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Shadow__X:

thats the problem i was having when i was looking

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Shadow__X:

heh for good reason

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Shadow__X:

is my best bet just to get a dedicated video card

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baffle:

Shadow__X: Just buy a new TV.

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Shadow__X:

of course what do you think 1080p projection be ok?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Re: Jump to top and bottom of buttonlist code, so I thought this was timely: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-August/261728.html

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Thought it might be okay to commit my patch from yesterday in light of that, but wanted to revisit it with you again

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baffle:

Shadow__X: Yeah. I bought mine before those came down in price, but they're cheap now.

[16:15:49]

Shadow__X:

baffle: yeah i would agree except thats nto plausible to someoen who wants to keep costs down and get a fe/be not buy everything new

[16:16:46]

baffle:

Shadow__X: I have a CRT in my living room as well, so I *do* feel your pain. :)

[16:17:29]

Shadow__X:

yeah i mean its not even for me i have my myth box hooked up to a 17inch lcd at the moment and it works fine but later on i will get a lcd tv

[16:18:18]

baffle:

Shadow__X: Does your CRT have SCART?

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Shadow__X:

i have no idea as i said the system isnt even for me and the tv isnt mine either how would i know if it does and would that make a difference

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iamlindoro:

We don't do SCART in the US

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mzb:

if you *must* stick with s-video for an old(er) TV, but you want to be able to watch HD at some stage then a "dedicated card" is probably the way to go

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Shadow__X:

yeah thats what it seems like mzb thanks

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baffle:

iamlindoro: I know it is an european standard, but I know some TVs in the US has them as well. He might have been lucky. :)

[16:22:08]

mzb:

fwiw I've recently converted my BE to a BE/FE by putting an NV7600GS in it. The BE is an AMD X2 4400+, and the NV is currently plugged in to a 51cm PAL TV via S-VIDEO

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iamlindoro:

baffle: No television sold in the US, nor any output device, comes w/ SCART

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mzb:

(a temporary solution)

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mzb:

hopefully this situation will change in the next week or so when I plug the DVI output into a 24" LCD

[16:23:21]

mzb:

(still "old technology" according to many of the users here;))

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Shadow__X:

mzb: yeah my last mb had component composite and svideo out through a expansion card i guess i was lucky

[16:24:11]

mzb:

SCART is popular in Europe, and pretty much no where else, right?

[16:24:32]

mzb:

Shadow__X, and was that mb capable of HD?

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Shadow__X:

mzb: yeah it has an integrated geforce 6150 with an am2 in there but they dont make that mb anymore

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mzb:

you can still buy gf6150 boards

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mzb:

heaps on eBay ;)

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mzb:

~au$50–100 iirc

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Shadow__X:

right but what guarantees them to working

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mzb:

the promise of bad feedback and a Paypal claim against the seller if it doesn't?

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mzb:

hong kong sellers

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mzb:

(in bulk)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[16:27:47]

mzb:

not some back yard script kiddie that's been overclocking it

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wagnerrp:

backyard script kiddies dont overclock on lowly gf6150 boards

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

yeah right

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mzb:

bulging caps, scorch marks on the board, onboard HSF/HS replaced with "aftermarket" .... these are not the things you're likely to see from a reputable seller whose sale are in bulk

[16:30:15]

mzb:

s/sales

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mzb:

ymmv

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mzb:

prob. comes down to what chassis/case you want to use (as well)

[16:32:10]

mzb:

do you *really* need "new off the production line" ?

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Shadow__X:

i want to build something that will work

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mzb:

does buying brand new gear guarantee that?

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Shadow__X:

mzb: http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1

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Shadow__X:

no but in my experience its easier to return something new than it is to return something used

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mzb:

I've got a different technique

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mzb:

buy it on eBay and bitch (but not bully) if there are issues

[16:36:33]

mzb:

end result is usually => keep item + full/partial refund

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mzb:

:)

[16:37:00]

mzb:

depends what you want, I guess

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Shadow__X:

i rather not have to bitch and fight just to get what i paid for

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mzb:

meh ... rare that it happens

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mzb:

particularly not from a bulk seller

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mzb:

you're bound to find a seller in HK with the mb you want

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Shadow__X:

i am in us

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mzb:

yep

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** mzb != in HK! **

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mzb:

;)

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mzb:

probably comes down to how important the s-video is to you, and how far you want to go to support it (and have HD at the same time)

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Shadow__X:

no hd though

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Shadow__X:

:) noted

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clever:

http://pics.nase-bohren.de/green-piracy.jpg

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clever:

though you can say the same thing for buying music online

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mzb:

personally, if I was buying a new board but wanted s-video as well then I'd be buying the *exact* board I wanted for the future (combined with the case I want) and adding a NV card to suit (for legacy). Once the legacy "viewing instrument" dies then the NV card can be removed ;)

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Shadow__X:

yeah i am just going to get a dedicated card and be done with it

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mzb:

but then I'm probably going senile in my old age and ....

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** mzb forgets what he's talking about ;) **

[16:49:38]

mzb:

hmm ... 2:48am and still several hours of house wiring to do ... *sigh* ... not enough beer in the day

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mzb:

s/beer/hours ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H

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mzb:

ah!

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** mzb remembers to schedule a text to the electrician that I'm out of cable+clips **

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mzb:

yeah, I know ... sounds odd ... the electrician gets me to wire my own house ;))

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clever:

mzb: that ^H problem is a real pain in the ass:P

[16:52:13]

clever:

i'm constantly having to bash stty over the head about ^H and ^?

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mzb:

agreed, starting to change my mind like a woman ;)

[16:52:52]

mzb:

*apologies*

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clever:

gentoo sends ^H, while ubuntu sends ^?

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mzb:

heh

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mzb:

well I never!

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clever:

and when ^H comes up in vim, i hit backspace automaticaly to get rid of it

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clever:

causing another!!

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mzb:

lol

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laga_:

yeah, that's clever

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mzb:

*cackle* ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H

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mzb:

^? ruh?

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** mzb needs to get another beer and pick up a rasp **

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** mzb .... **

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clever:

in my putty options, it can send both control-h and control-?

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clever:

so they both seem valid, its just the remote end(ssh) cant handle taking both at once all day

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mzb:

ambidextrous or multilingual ?

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clever:

screen is forcing 1 tty to be usable from many distro's and systems

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clever:

so i may start vim with it configured for ^H, then switch to a ^? system and have to restart it

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clever:

mzb: try using this vt100 terminal, it may help!

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mzb:

my vt330's are under the house ;)

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mzb:

I *think* I had an amber vt220 ... but not sure if I've thrown it out :((

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** mzb loves amber **

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clever:

not shure what it is exactly, but it seems vt100 compatible

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clever:

black and green screen

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clever:

keyboard connects with a phone plug type connector

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** mzb 's first child's middle name is amber ;) **

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mzb:

DEC/WISE ?

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mzb:

s/DEC/DIGITAL

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clever:

mzb: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/2gig%20 . . . 2708_005.jpg

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mzb:

does the phone-type connector have an offset clip?

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clever:

dont think so

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mzb:

the VT330 is "special"

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mzb:

it's got dual-console ability

[17:02:20]

mzb:

but ... it's ONLY green ;)

[17:02:21]

clever:

mine has a pair of DB25 ports on the back

[17:02:54]

mzb:

did I mention I *love* amber screens? ;) ... so much softer on the eyes

[17:03:38]

mzb:

that terminal+kbd look familiar, but they don't look DIGITAL

[17:03:41]

mzb:

imo

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clever:

northern technologies

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clever:

markham ontario

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mzb:

might be a rebadge

[17:04:07]

clever:

model: vision II 3200

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juski:

nowhere else AFAIK

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mzb:

looks a bit like a vt220, but the keyboard is too modern ;)

[17:04:49]

juski:

nowhere else AFAIK

[17:04:55]

clever:

lanpar

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juski:

arghhh don't try to reply to scrollback

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meshe:

lol

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clever:

juski: dont worry, i do it sometimes too

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sid3windr:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/around-town/shop . . . 3043522.html

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sid3windr:

:>

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clever:

LOL

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clever:

even worse then that video card stuff when they arrested customers!

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laga_:

no

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wagnerrp:

why would you be 'outraged' about that

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clever:

Let's think about that for one second: Best Buy didn't have anyone around who knew how to actually update their Web site. Yep, they're at the forefront of technology all right!

[17:15:20]

clever:

........

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laga_:

simply not delivering stuff is not worse than having people arrested

[17:15:49]

clever:

laga_: but the price reduction is worse

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sid3windr:

indeed

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laga_:

ah

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clever:

instead of 100$ off, it was 1690$ off

[17:16:05]

wagnerrp:

theres no way you can ever expect them to actually sell you that tv at $10

[17:16:25]

sid3windr:

in .eu you'd stand a good chance actually :p

[17:16:33]

sid3windr:

nah, actually not :[

[17:16:45]

sid3windr:

if you typo it but the price is still realistic for a promotion they have to sell it to you

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juski:

once upon a time misprices had to be sold ;-)

[17:16:57]

sid3windr:

like, if it was $1090 instead of $1690

[17:17:01]

sid3windr:

but not for $9 ;)

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laga_:

nope. for most german (hardware) web shops, when you place their order, it really is just an offer to them to buy it at that price

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sid3windr:

eu law does exist about this, but ianal :)

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laga_:

neither am i :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any problem with them going back, refunding you, and refusing to honour the error

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wagnerrp:

especially considering we expect them to take back purchased items

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laga_:

ls

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laga_:

darn

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juski:

laga was right about it not being as bad as arresting the buyers though

[17:19:51]

wagnerrp:

just when did they arrest buyers?

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clever:

maybe they learned from that event

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clever:

wagnerrp: back in 2002

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clever:

the link was posted here yesterday

[17:20:10]

wagnerrp:

did someone hack the website to change the price, and then a number of people bought off it?

[17:20:13]

clever:

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/best-buy-is . . . ed-20020424/

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juski:

wagnerrp: somebody posted a link here the other day

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juski:

there was a misprice, people bought stuff & were arrested when they went to collect the goods apparently

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juski:

all pretty hard to swallow if you ask me

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wagnerrp:

calling it criminal fraud is ridiculous

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wagnerrp:

thats a lawsuit waiting to happen

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clever:

. Even individuals holding valid receipts with legitimate grievances are being escorted away by police.

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GreyFoxx:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

and it wasnt even as bad as the TV one

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok, yeah I read about that long ago

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wagnerrp:

someone goofed and set the price as $129, instead of $329

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meshe:

if i was arrested buying something at an advertised price, i would definately be suing them

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GreyFoxx:

they had a problem yesterday where 52" HDTV's on their website were priced as 9.99 instead of 999 it was that way for hours and tons of people had "bought" the TV's online

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GreyFoxx:

they canceled lal the orders and tons of people complained :)

[17:25:04]

wagnerrp:

yeah, posted about 50 lines up

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh missed that

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wagnerrp:

thats what started this whole discussion... :P

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think they should have to honour it

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GreyFoxx:

typos happen :)

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clever:

'Prices and availability of products and services are subject to change without notice. Errors will be corrected where discovered, and Best Buy reserves the right to revoke any stated offer and to correct any errors, inaccuracies or omissions including after an order has been submitted and whether or not the order has been confirmed and your credit card charged'

[17:26:34]

clever:

the fine print now covers that

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clever:

a bigger problem, is that they knew of it and didnt do anything for several hours

[17:27:03]

clever:

' oh snap, guys i just called best buy. They are aware of this but they havent changed it because the guys that do it arent in yet...'

[17:27:12]

clever:

Let's think about that for one second: Best Buy didn't have anyone around who knew how to actually update their Web site. Yep, they're at the forefront of technology all right!

[17:27:14]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, they the guys at the store are aware

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't mean they could get a hold of the person who could fix it immediately

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clever:

they need to get the IT dude a cellphone :P

[17:27:51]

clever:

something with a built in tazer to wake him up

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GreyFoxx:

People go home, shower, movies, turn off the phone, out of signal range and so on

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clever:

ive seen a tazer mod for cellphones, abusing the built in camera flash

[17:28:34]

GreyFoxx:

It annoys the hell outta me when work expects to get me instantly 24/7 ewhen I'm not on call as if I don't get to have a life just cause I work in "IT" :)

[17:28:57]

GreyFoxx:

yeah you suits can f*ck off on your boat all day, but if I go Kayak for my day off I'm somehow not a "team player" :)

[17:29:06]

clever:

they should have somebody to cover for you durring your off hours

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meshe:

wow, best buy is a bit arrest happy: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/08/2213237

[17:29:21]

GreyFoxx:

Some jobs do no require a 24/7 alternate

[17:29:50]

GreyFoxx:

But I do agree that surely more than 1 person should be able to alter prices on their website :)

[17:30:16]

Senkrad_Luna:

Hi all. I update lots of programs on my system as I started getting dvds that would not work. Now when I try to play anything I have recorded the playback stutters and within a few minutes freezes, any suggestions?

[17:30:17]

wagnerrp:

meshe: that has nothing to do with best buy... rather a retarded store clerk

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meshe:

it's a company's responsibility to make sure their employees aren't idiots and are properly trained

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Shadow__X:

um thats a huge lawsuit its legal tender

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clever:

atleast 2 of them now from these 3 news articles :P

[17:31:57]

wagnerrp:

i wont blame best buy for expecting their employees have seen their country's legal tender before

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meshe:

i will, if you're going to put someone in charge of executing transactions involving legal tender, you should make sure they know what it is

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juski:

Senkrad_Luna: updated your video drivers to junk by mistake?

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meshe:

they obviously did some training in counterfit

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: also the man was arrested they could of checked the bill again

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wagnerrp:

well thats on the secret service for the actual arrest

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juski:

if they let the sale go through I say they should honour it

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juski:

if they ring it through the register when the price is wrong ;)

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juski:

anyhoo, time to take the dog to fun agility class

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mzb:

so paying with 5c pieces (nickels?) would be bad form? ;)

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clever:

would be more questionable to pay in 50 cent peices

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clever:

you dont see those very often

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mzb:

if the government has issued them they must be legal tender, right?

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kormoc:

correct

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clever:

but the idiot behind the register may not beleive you:P

[17:37:24]

Senkrad_Luna:

I'll check that.

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wagnerrp:

use those funky sachajawhea dollars

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iamlindoro:

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml

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mzb:

only if they don't have an automatic counting machine ;P

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kormoc:

and they have to be honored for all public debts as legal tender, the problem is stores are privately owned and thus can refuse to take any legal tender they want (until it becomes a public debt, ala sending a bill, etc)

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iamlindoro:

"There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise."

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: sure, they can just refuse to accept it.... but they cant call it counterfeit and call the feds down on you

[17:38:51]

iamlindoro:

Sure, can't say it's counterfeit (unless it is)

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mzb:

and I'd suspect that they'd not be able to claim that you've not attempted to pay a debt

[17:39:28]

mzb:

whether they've accepted it or not

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wagnerrp:

of course i see many-a-gas-station with signs requesting the 'smallest denomination possible'

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kormoc:

yeah, once it's a debt, then it's public and thus required to accept whatever payment

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mzb:

k

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kormoc:

if I only have 10 pennies and I owe you a dime, you can't refuse that if it's a debt (hurting credit rating/etc)

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kormoc:

cause that's 'public debt'

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clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_cent_piece_(Canadian_coin)

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** mzb digs out his collection of 1c pieces for the purpose of paying "debts that piss me off" ;) **

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Dagmar:

Just don't pull that with the IRS

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kormoc:

50's aren't that uncommon, thanks to the rapper

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clever:

'It is very rare to encounter this denomination in everyday transactions, since there seems to be the mistaken belief among many Canadians that the coin itself is rare and thus of value in excess of fifty cents'

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clever:

wikipedia says only 450k are made a year

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Senkrad_Luna:

I was using fglrx I am now trying the Radeon drivers, will let you know in a bit.

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laga_:

laga

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laga_:

argh

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GreyFoxx:

I got one of those dollar coins today. I had never seen one before :)

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro!

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clever:

GreyFoxx: canada has plenty of dollar coins :P

[17:42:39]

iamlindoro:

Our powers combined, I am CAPTAIN PLANEEEEET!

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wagnerrp:

they used to be common a couple years ago

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laga_:

iamlindoro: get help. SRSLY

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** iamlindoro cries **

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iamlindoro:

people are mean to me!

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GreyFoxx:

clever: I'm referring o the US one from ~2000 that looks like ours at first glance

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** mzb wonders where it will all end ;) **

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

how can you be mean to him? he has the power of HEART!

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Senkrad_Luna:

aiglx, radeon and fglrx all produce the same visble result. any other suggestions?

[17:53:47]

wagnerrp:

buy an nvidia card

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mzb:

the problem is elsewhere?

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Senkrad_Luna:

The hdmi from my mother board has worked fine until I upgraded the software.

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laga_:

downgrade?

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Senkrad_Luna:

I was trying to overcome dvd access issues related to newly purchased dvds.

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mzb:

go back to a working configuration (ie: downgrade), and work backup on a package-by-package basis

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mzb:

s/back up

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mzb:

hmm ... 4hrs past pumpkin hour ... gnite all

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I IMed you on a code issue, please respond it is about "getCastId".

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Maybe I need to just stop complaining about bugs to you at 10 minutes to midnight :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) was way past midnight here...

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iamlindoro:

or that

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gbee:

hey it's just a warning, I committed something that didn't even compile yesterday and it's probably not for the first time either

[18:40:59]

gbee:

having built and tested the changes, I gave it one last look and decided a one line addition would be good, of course I typo'd that one line and now my mistake lives forever in the commit logs :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... think it's worth having the metadata browse modes alphabetized in the menu?

[18:50:23]

iamlindoro:

Only alternative is having them in order I write them

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GreyFoxx:

Too bad it can't be dynamic. Order in which they are most often used :)

[18:51:16]

GreyFoxx:

course that would mean having to track it "_

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GreyFoxx:

maybe sorted with the most recently used option at the top ?:)

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iamlindoro:

Think I'll just alphabetize for now ;)

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GreyFoxx:

and track the most recently used ?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

But let me know when you commit that ;)

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GreyFoxx:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

Done!

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iamlindoro:

Suuuuure ya are

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iamlindoro:

Will have tracking of Date Added in sometime this afternoon

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iamlindoro:

and corresponding metadata browse

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hondo:

Having troubles finding the thumbnails that are generated by "thumbnail generator" w/ knoppmyth r5.5

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hondo:

Any suggestions?

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iamlindoro:

thumbnails as in... recording previews in mythweb, or...?

[19:34:06]

iamlindoro:

Or some external tool for mythvideo or something?

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hondo:

iamlindoro, Utilities/Setup > Thumbnail Generator

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iamlindoro:

hondo: That's not a myth tool

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iamlindoro:

sounds like knoppmyth is inserting menu options-- so you'll need to ask them

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juski:

iamlindoro: about earlier – I wasn't knocking your excellent additions, just seems we have a difference of opinion. Like I said it's a one-time config thing so I'm not really _that_ bothered. FWIW. So no hard feelings I hope

[19:35:43]

iamlindoro:

#knoppmyth or (more likely now) #linhes

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iamlindoro:

juski: Not at all :)

[19:37:00]

iamlindoro:

juski: Took no offense to anything you said-- IMHO using one storage group is fine for images w/ subdirs, but I'm not going to go back and rewrite everything, least of all on the basis of "that's too many"

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hondo:

iamlindoro, I'm in #knoppmyth as well it's quiet. Maybe I'll try #linHES

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iamlindoro:

juski: And any move to go to that, which is fine, would need to include code to move existing records to the new hierarchy/naming schemes

[19:37:46]

iamlindoro:

Which won't be me either :)

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juski:

hondo: unless you catch one of the knoppmyth/linhes guys in here, (e.g. cesman) you stand little chance since it seems that feature is knoppmyth specific

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juski:

hondo: try searching their forums too

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tmkt1:

yes

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tmkt1:

not quite sur

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tmkt1:

e

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juski:

had fun at doggy agility training just now. so did the little fella. he loves them tunnels & jumps

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juski:

somebody said we should consider competition. sod that, I've enough on my hands without taking stuff like that seriously

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iamlindoro:

juski: My sister's dogs are some sort of fancy agility champions

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juski:

pfft. one of these days I'm gonna buy a motherboard which'll come out of standby _with_ its NIC in working order

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juski:

*every* boot

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iamlindoro:

juski: I have a little mutt from the rescue, and I still think the (competitive) dog folks are nuts :)

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juski:

the owners who take it seriously are nuts

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juski:

I've met some who seem to be living through their dogs ability to do tricks. takes all sorts eh ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski: One of my sister's dogs is, ahem, "MACH CH Highlander Orion From Alamos RA OF PD2 CL1 CGC VX"

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iamlindoro:

and the other is (deep breath) "Am/Can CH Highlander He Shoots He Scores HT"

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juski:

iamlindoro: WTF?!

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iamlindoro:

juski: Crazy dog peoples and their pedigrees and their championships, etc. etc.

[19:44:07]

iamlindoro:

juski: Or, on an everyday basis, Max and Stanley

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juski:

I hate all that elitism. I was glad when our local place turned out to be !oneofthemplaces

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juski:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I think my dog is prettier, and she was free ;)

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juski:

I was pondering about pedigrees today though & thought maybe it has a place in helping keeping mutations down

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juski:

we love our Rory to bits. And I said we were never gonna get a dog

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression pedigrees just end up producing weak breeds

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juski:

well, I started figuring maybe with tight controls they could stop breeding dogs from the exact same lineage. but what do I know lol

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wagnerrp:

i thought all of those pure breeds had some common physical ailment or another

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juski:

nah, breeds can mutate & end up with defects. bad ones in some cases

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iamlindoro:

juski: Mine: http://www.fecitfacta.com/emma.jpg Hers: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NQOLVbBGXOU/SoTjK1tCLNI . . . 7%5B3%5D.jpg

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juski:

little lab up the road from us isn't very old & he's already looking like he needs a hip replacement :-(

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juski:

iamlindoro: is hers a bearded collie? looks like my sister's dog – other than hers is a proper little bastard

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iamlindoro:

juski: Yep

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juski:

don't like em. yours is cute

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iamlindoro:

My preference is for sleek, muscular dogs like Boxers and such anyway, so even if My Emma wasn't mine I'd probably still prefer her :)

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juski:

heh. over here rotties & staffs are too common now. evil ****ers

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iamlindoro:

I grew up w/ German Shepherds and love that breed, and I love working dog breeds like Aussie Shepherds

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iamlindoro:

Also Like Border Collies

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gbee:

aren't they on the dangerous dogs list?

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iamlindoro:

Which?

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j-rod:

woo! its alive...

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j-rod:

davilla: I've got it building and loading w/o oopsing on a 64-bit 2.6.31-rcwhatever now

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gbee:

Rottweilers and Staffordshire bull Terriers

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juski:

don't think so

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iamlindoro:

Here we just call them "Pit Bulls," rather than staffordshires, but IMO their behavior depends on the owner in a huge way

[19:54:27]

juski:

and er.. wtf? "What about corporate-sponsored themes?"

[19:54:45]

sid3windr:

waddabawdit!

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wagnerrp:

mythtv needs moar miley

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** juski starts selling pixels in concept-wide **

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sid3windr:

:D

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sid3windr:

milliondollarmyththeme

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iamlindoro:

I'll write a theme for sponsorship, no problem

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juski:

how much am I bid for a 10x10 rectangle?

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gbee:

law passed a few years back here in the UK after one too many small children were killed/disfigured by dogs breeds which were breed to be aggressive

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tmkt1:

same in canada

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juski:

see plenty of staffs at dogs homes, up for adoption

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iamlindoro:

juski: It's a sad problem w/ that breed here too

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juski:

call me callous but I'd never be sad to see a bastard like those put down

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iamlindoro:

Some of them are amazing dogs, others have sadly been conditioned to be nuts

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gbee:

"Pit" because they were breed for pit fighting, it's in their genes :/

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juski:

and yorkshire terriers & handbag dogs

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juski:

disappointed the only corporate sponsorship idea posted on the -dev list is as lame as that. I should've posted my *obvious* reply. Hardware :)

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gbee:

heard and read way too many stories about loving gentle family dogs who only turned nasty once, but that once instance was enough to leave a child dead or someone with their arm torn to shreds

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh, at the turn of last century they were the most popular breed in america, and they were referred to as "The Children's Dog" for gentle demeanor

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juski:

lol

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gbee:

heh

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juski:

they prolly could be, if not given an inch

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juski:

aaanyhoo. time to do some more compilering

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iamlindoro:

Getting a little punchy here at work, I want to go home

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laga:

punchy?

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iamlindoro:

Dazed

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iamlindoro:

having difficulty focusing

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kormoc:

randomly flailing body appendages at people

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laga:

ah

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laga:

that kind of thing

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: have you ever had any big rows at work before?

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iamlindoro:

Of course not, I'm very likeable

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dustybin:

o_0

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iamlindoro:

Alternate answer:

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iamlindoro:

Of course, all the cubicles are in rows, big ones

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iamlindoro:

Alternate Answer:

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dustybin:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Only when I worked in the boathouse that year

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juski:

oof. getting lots of Error loading image to scale, from file: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite/

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iamlindoro:

That... erm... when?

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juski:

going into 'watch recordings'

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, dunno what that's about, all working well here

[20:53:03]

iamlindoro:

Especially as that screen is pretty much all shape widgets

[20:53:13]

iamlindoro:

and there are no images in the above directory either

[20:53:31]

iamlindoro:

well, one, Preview.png

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juski:

maybe should do a distclean after wiping out all my mucking around

[20:56:06]

iamlindoro:

There *could* be some odd stuff on that screen related to the image hunt, though

[20:56:26]

iamlindoro:

ie the hunt for coverfile/fanart code in playbackbox.cpp

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iamlindoro:

I will look at that code again, I intended to do so to try to add SG supprt there anyway

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juski:

made by system too slow to even use :-(

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juski:

*my

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iamlindoro:

try commenting out the fanart and coverart imagetypes on that screen and then try again

[21:00:29]

iamlindoro:

This is my curiosity speaking, and will tell me where to look

[21:02:06]

iamlindoro:

Then again, it may well just be the stupid GL redraw bug

[21:02:09]

iamlindoro:

and most likely is

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iamlindoro:

(which tends to peg the CPU at 100%

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iamlindoro:

)

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juski:

cpu didn't seem pegged

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iamlindoro:

Dunno what the basis of the slowness would be, then

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juski:

commented those areas out & it's still dog slow :(

[21:05:04]

iamlindoro:

K, then it's not the image hunt

[21:05:07]

iamlindoro:

CPU use?

[21:05:15]

iamlindoro:

as in, what's it at?

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iamlindoro:

And are you using a GPU with poor GL performance?

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juski:

cpu is hanging about 25%

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juski:

and intel CPU

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juski:

GPU

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iamlindoro:

Ah-hah, so that's the problem

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wagnerrp:

newegg is running 15% off most hard drives

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iamlindoro:

Intel GPU = Broken GL

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juski:

it works fine with other themes

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iamlindoro:

juski: Yes, but negative coordinates trigger the GL redraw bug

[21:06:38]

iamlindoro:

juski: Ie the one where it goes into repaint overdrive mode

[21:06:42]

iamlindoro:

er ie

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iamlindoro:

So the combination of that bug and the poor GL performance on Intel = your experience right now

[21:07:10]

wagnerrp:

its sad when you can buy a 1TB drive for less than a 750GB

[21:07:27]

wagnerrp:

well... sad for me anyway, because i have a bunch of 750s

[21:07:39]

juski:

so, can't use the QT painter, can't use opengl. FFS

[21:07:41]

Dagmar:

No, what's sad is when your Windows Mobile 6.1 phone is looking for a hostname that doesn't exist for WindowsUpdate

[21:07:41]

kormoc:

newegg has a $10 off code, + 10% back for using bing checkout...

[21:08:06]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: 15% off (up to $10)

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iamlindoro:

juski: Both would be fixed if the painters were

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AndyCap_:

wagnerrp: I'm sure you have a 40Gb drive or something that cost more than your 750Gb drives as well

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap_: i mean current prices

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iamlindoro:

juski: ie could use any painter if it supported negative coordinates, and wouldn't trigger the bug if it did either

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AndyCap_:

wagnerrp: same manufacturer too?

[21:09:07]

wagnerrp:

no...

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juski:

I've seen the painter code inside out, I dunno wtf could be so wrong about negative co-ords

[21:09:55]

juski:

unless it's an actual opengl bug

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juski:

it's sposed to clip everything itself

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juski:

unless there's something overflowing in the redraw code somehow

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iamlindoro:

juski: Try using Graphite in Qt painter and start scrolling around Recordings on MythVideo

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iamlindoro:

you'll see its massive clipping issues

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iamlindoro:

w/ negative coords

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juski:

this is a big blocker IMHO

[21:11:25]

iamlindoro:

and AFAICT OpenGL only work with Graphite *because* of the bug, ie it's redrawing constantly which makes what would otherwise be clipped appear

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iamlindoro:

juski: IMO too but I don't know the painter stuff to fix it and nobody else seems to care

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juski:

it probably comes from the redraw decision making being based on the assumption that child images won't be outside the parent bounds

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iamlindoro:

AIUI, yes

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juski:

bad themer! :-P

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iamlindoro:

And that's exactly what gets clipped, everything outside the buttonlist

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juski:

that'll be it then

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iamlindoro:

If you think I did something that shouldn't be possible, please SVN del Graphite right now

[21:14:13]

iamlindoro:

no joke, do it

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juski:

and because you've got alphapulse in there, that'll be why it's being redrawn so often

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juski:

that's called by Pulse()

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juski:

in this day & age I wonder how much of an imposition redrawing the whole screen would be anyway

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gbee:

enough

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janneg:

iamlindoro: Terra has also negative coords

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juski:

prolly commenting out the alphapulse will improve it a bit

[21:16:55]

janneg:

iirc no

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juski:

for me, I mean :)

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Don't think it uses them to the extent Graphite does, though

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gbee:

or not supporting alphapulse with QT

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iamlindoro:

IMO It's insane not to allow negative co-ordinates or a comparable visual effect

[21:17:58]

gbee:

I'll look at the negative positioning draw issues, but I'm not in the mood right now

[21:18:07]

iamlindoro:

So they're there until either the parses refuses to take them or we fix the painters

[21:18:14]

iamlindoro:

er parser

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gbee:

iamlindoro: stop stressing, we will allow them, we have to allow them

[21:18:47]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I know you're okay w/ them, Just some left over plucked nerves from the last talking to I got from Chutt about them

[21:18:50]

juski:

gbee: I wasn't criticising the code, just pondering what it'd be like otherwise. I know it's good practise to only redraw dirty areas

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janneg:

iamlindoro: the artistic design realized with negative coords is fine. the painters will be fixed or we change something else that the same design is possible without negative coords

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Right, I totally agree w/ that approach

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juski:

at the time the redrawing code was implemented it was a reasonable assumption that no children would exceed the bounds of its parent. and then on the other side is art ;-)

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levander:

I think I screwed up. Even though Comcast is stopping it's old analog service, are some channels still being broadcast in analog, just they're part of digital cable? I'm thinking it's a screw up because I bought a HVR-1250 which doesn't have any hardware encoding for analog signals, it all happens on the CPU.

[21:21:33]

juski:

bloody crap intel. next laptop will have nvidia graphics, make no mistake

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iamlindoro:

Some other neat GL weirdness exists too-- if you define a buttonlist to extend past the end of the screen in two dimensions, it breaks the redraw order

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levander:

juski: What, the intel graphics aren't fast enough to display the picture?

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iamlindoro:

ie <area>-15,-15,200,750</area>

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juski:

levander: the rendering is slower, even on simple rectangles

[21:22:34]

levander:

is there any hardware acceleration at all?

[21:22:37]

juski:

yes

[21:22:49]

juski:

just doesn't offer much improvement over using software gl in practise

[21:22:51]

gbee:

doesn't sound like it :)

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levander:

and it can't even render simple rectangles quickly?

[21:23:10]

levander:

find it hard to believe they're that bad

[21:23:14]

juski:

oh they are

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levander:

wow

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juski:

software gl I get about 500 FPS in glxgears

[21:23:37]

juski:

in hardware, it *almost* reaches 1000

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laga:

glxgears is not a benchmark

[21:24:03]

juski:

nothing like as bad as Via's though, make no mistake

[21:24:33]

juski:

laga: yeah but it's an indicator of whether hw gl is working or not

[21:24:56]

juski:

levander: in normal circumstances, yes intel's gl is fast enough for mythtv

[21:25:02]

levander:

juski: are the intel graphics fast enough to run the desktop? Just not some 3D software you're working with?

[21:25:06]

juski:

but with this bug it's not

[21:25:08]

janneg:

not really, software emulation is to fast these days

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gbee:

only get 1300 with my nvidia 8200 and that's even despite shutting down everything that possible such as the frontend which would cause a slowdown

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juski:

should try this with SpecViewPerf or whatever it's called

[21:27:18]

juski:

now that's a 3D test

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janneg:

it's so fast that intel builds a software gl emulation hardware card

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juski:

I'm tempted to try & put offsets in so there are no negative coords

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janneg:

gbee: everything above 300 is way faster than needed

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gbee:

definitely

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janneg:

and it makes a difference if you switch the rander buffers 60 times per second or 1000

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juski:

ah. when the buttonarea is <0,0,1280,30> you can't fix the negative offsets. Heh

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juski:

fair dues :)

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Anduin:

are there any pci-e capture cards with working analog?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Think stoth finally got the HVR-1800 fix worked out

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: really? Last I checked the analog mpeg interface didn't accept any of the normal IOCTLs (though I haven't been following v4l stuff closely to know if this is just the new way of doing things)

[21:47:49]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Yeah, that was the bug, checking now on the fix

[21:48:12]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: http://www.kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/v4l-dvb/

[21:48:22]

iamlindoro:

Think it mostly got squared away two weeks or so ago

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Anduin:

I'll look, I actually have the card, just been too busy to do more than peek at things

[21:48:38]

Anduin:

Oh, good news, thanks

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Not sure it's hit mainline yet, you may need that repository

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Anduin:

Yeah, I don't care if it is built for me :)

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Anduin:

Two days ago I lost my fourth x50 card, only one left and certain shows I have no interest in ever watching are now conflicting which bothers someone.

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

stoth would know for sure, he was in earlier but not right now

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Anduin:

Yeah, I can check the source, wasn't so long ago I was digging around in there

[21:52:13]

iamlindoro:

last time I talked to mkrufky he said that they had solved it but it had not gone in upstream, so not sure exactly which repos to use

[21:52:28]

iamlindoro:

(I don't use the card so I didn't look deeper)

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iamlindoro:

Hope you find what you need

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Anduin:

looks better at least from the changeset

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juski:

ah crap. There's the gl bug dibblah mentioned

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juski:

****ing useless intel hunk of junk!

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wagnerrp:

i seem to have the opposite problem... trying to run mythtv on a machine with more video memory than system memory

[22:06:29]

juski:

this wireless networking prolly isn't helping matters either. makes image loading very very bad

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juski:

like unusably slow bad

[22:08:34]

wagnerrp:

dad wants mythtv in the motorhome... mom outright veto'd it

[22:08:54]

wagnerrp:

so im trying to piece something together with spare parts i have

[22:09:07]

wagnerrp:

taking the 'clever' approach

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juski:

in the mythvideo gallery view, with a default-wide theme xml it takes yonks to populate the screen & when it does – moving from one item to another is taking up to five seconds!

[22:10:05]

Dibblah:

juski: You saw the same bug?

[22:10:29]

juski:

Dibblah: yeah in whatsisname-wide that I made

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juski:

messed up the whole title bar at the top of the screen

[22:10:50]

Dibblah:

Hmm. I wonder if it's memory usage related.

[22:11:13]

juski:

neon-wide, that was it

[22:11:49]

juski:

strange that other themes have images with transparency which work just fine

[22:13:42]

Dibblah:

Well, I see it on Blootube-wide.

[22:13:48]

juski:

yeah commented out the header image & the weirdness is gone

[22:13:59]

juski:

not tried that on this machine yet

[22:15:50]

juski:

Dibblah: the menu screens in blootube-wide?

[22:15:57]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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juski:

they look ok here

[22:16:14]

Dibblah:

Oh – Sorry, not sure, actually.

[22:16:24]

Dibblah:

I definitely see it on the OSD -

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gbee:

wow, they are recycling that old Milkyway ad?

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Dibblah:

it turns the video 8-bit looking :(

[22:16:56]

juski:

Dibblah: I thought opengl rendering for video was borked on intel anyway

[22:17:08]

juski:

erm, on !nvidia

[22:17:19]

Dibblah:

Not OGL rendering.

[22:17:41]

Dibblah:

For video, just the OGL painter.

[22:17:48]

juski:

ah

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juski:

my wireless sucks so much I can't even play recordings

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RyeBrye:

I'm using myth over wireless, but it's not your traditional setup. It was too hard to run wires to where I wanted the frontend, so I have an 802.11n network that is used soley for that myth frontend... but it plays back hd atsc recordigns from the HDHR like a champ

[22:20:01]

juski:

only G here, and it's broadcrap

[22:23:14]

juski:

ah. think the image problem is theme switching related

[22:23:58]

juski:

yup. restart the frontend & the images are ok. hrm

[22:24:42]

Dibblah:

You're probably seeing a different issue, then.

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juski:

and this is without my hokey hacks

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juski:

gbee: seen this one? switched to neon-wide from another theme in the appearance menu. it's fine on restarting http://imagebin.ca/img/PommbTbe.png. seems to happen on different images. last time it was the header image

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iamlindoro:

juski, Yep, I've seen that one

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iamlindoro:

Saw it on the "MythTV" image on GANT the other day

[22:30:13]

iamlindoro:

was alphapulsing

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juski:

ffs maybe this is why Graphite sucked so badly on here. my networking monitor was showing *peaks* of under 100KiB/sec

[22:31:56]

juski:

that is badly, badly broken

[22:32:08]

juski:

I knew it was bad, but come on

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gbee:

juski: never seen it

[22:32:44]

gbee:

wouldn't have a clue about the cause even if I had

[22:32:48]

juski:

looks alpha channel related but from what I've seen of the ui code recently I dunno how that's even possible

[22:33:21]

juski:

unless there's something weird & racey going on in the caching somehow

[22:33:39]

iamlindoro:

oy, Markus left a bunch undone w/ this patch

[22:33:50]

iamlindoro:

like... a way to clear the text filter once you'd set one

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juski:

christ, my wireless network is like dialup. lol

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juski:

iamlindoro: I think this may be a contributory factor in why Graphite so disappointed me earlier: http://imagebin.ca/img/9BB97lFI.png

[22:37:32]

juski:

the sub 80KiB/s bump is where I go into 'watch videos'

[22:37:41]

iamlindoro:

hmm... hope so :)

[22:38:07]

juski:

well, if there's a whole bunch of images to not find, it'll take it longer to not find em on a slow connection

[22:38:45]

iamlindoro:

haha

[22:39:29]

juski:

I hope it is just the network. even the default themes are dog slow here

[22:40:05]

juski:

speed 1MB/s the info panel reckons. yeah, right

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juski:

never knowingly buying anything with broadcom in it again either

[22:42:13]

juski:

then again I didn't buy this machine with use for mythtv development in mind

[22:42:21]

juski:

or linux for that matter

[22:45:21]

juski:

what's the gallery view doing behind the scenes? preloading the metadata?

[22:46:01]

juski:

that might explain why moving from one item to the next is a bit slow here. time to get wired up

[22:49:24]

iamlindoro:

juski, If you have fanart and have not got it cached yet, that would account for it

[22:50:28]

iamlindoro:

But once it's cached the first time it ought to be lightning quick

[22:50:31]

iamlindoro:

ish

[22:54:03]

juski:

might've just found a bug in the video manager

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** iamlindoro grumbles about people indenting with tabs **

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iamlindoro:

juski, There are probably many, it's more or less useless now

[22:54:30]

juski:

downloaded data for a video & it's updated the main info pane but not the list

[22:55:03]

iamlindoro:

juski, I'll take a look at it after this patch

[22:56:19]

juski:

strange. worked 2 times out of 3 so far

[22:56:54]

juski:

scrolling updated it. heh

[22:58:21]

juski:

maybe put it down to the excruciatingly slow wireless again

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[James]:

After I rip a dvd, the meta data isnt set. Ive done some googling, but cant find a solution. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[23:10:42]

juski:

you have to set the metadata

[23:10:54]

juski:

it doesn't look anything up for you

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[James]:

I have a black windows to enter the IMDB # but when I try to type anything in to it, nothing happens. And when I hit escape, it just crashes mythtv frontend

[23:12:27]

juski:

which theme are you using?

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[James]:

let me check

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[James]:

blootube-wide

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[James]:

Ill try blootube

[23:13:40]

[James]:

could it be the theme causing it?

[23:13:47]

juski:

bingo

[23:13:58]

juski:

those themes suck

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dustybin:

[James]: blame the person who created that theme :P

[23:14:05]

[James]:

ah

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juski:

no point trying blootube

[23:14:12]

[James]:

ok

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[James]:

are there any good ones that look good?

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** juski slaps dustybin with a 2x4 **

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dustybin:

*splat*

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juski:

again though I thought I'd fixed all those problems. sigh

[23:15:23]

dustybin:

im going to ditch my mobile phone, going to setup asterisk voip instead

[23:15:35]

dustybin:

the future bright, the futures voip

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laga:

this kernel has been compiling for hours. i wonder if there's something wrong with my vbox

[23:16:40]

** dustybin looks forward to these drives dropping down to Â£100 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158614 **

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juski:

[James]: look in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml & tell me what's at line 279 please

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[James]:

umm youll have to tell me how to do that. Im new to linux and havnt had time to read up on how to do that

[23:18:01]

juski:

grep?

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[James]:

grep?

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juski:

open the file in your favourite text editor & search for 'remoteedit'

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gbee:

grep -l /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml | grep 279

[23:19:29]

gbee:

well probably a nicer way, but it would work I'd guess

[23:20:13]

juski:

if it has no occurence of that term, it's out of date

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gbee:

fwiw, it doesn't work

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[James]:

I type "> grep -l /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml | grep 279" into terminal?

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** iamlindoro kicks svn.mythtv.org **

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iamlindoro:

slow POS

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gbee:

well it might have worked if I wasn't using trunk where there is no video-ui.xml for blootube

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juski:

grep "remoteedit" /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml

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gbee:

grep -n /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml | grep 279

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gbee:

sorry, got the switch for line numbers wrong

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iamlindoro:

he's using ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

so may be /usr/local

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gbee:

no, wait, ignore me, that's wrong on a couple of levels

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juski:

doesn't matter about the line number really

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gbee:

cat -n /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml | grep 279

[23:24:21]

gbee:

but nevermind

[23:24:35]

gbee:

279 <remoteedit name="numhold" draworder="7" align="center">

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juski:

heh

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juski:

if that's not there your copy of the theme is badly out of date

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[James]:

Id tell you what 279 says, but I dont see line numbers on it

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juski:

just do the grep line gbee just posted there

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[James]:

nm

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juski:

I suspect your version won't say that

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[James]:

yeah it says that on line 279

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juski:

dunno then

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[James]:

:(

[23:27:12]

gbee:

[James]: exactly that?

[23:27:18]

[James]:

exactly

[23:27:29]

juski:

maybe it's not the theme to blame then

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GreyFoxx:

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gbee:

juski: oh, the imdb edit bug? That's the wrong code

[23:28:43]

juski:

same as in 0.21-fixes default themes AFAIK

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gbee:

s/code/xml/

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[James]:

Do I need to replace something in that file?

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juski:

and glass-wide, which works fine on my frontend, has the same 'remoteedit' line

[23:29:50]

gbee:

<container name="enterimdb"> needs a <context>3</context>

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juski:

in -fixes?

[23:30:23]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21132/br . . . e-0-21-fixes

[23:30:34]

juski:

ach, I can't be bothered to fix all those themes I'll never use again

[23:30:35]

gbee:

fixed it for the default theme 10 days ago

[23:31:25]

gbee:

how is it that no-one has reported this before now? we released 0.21 18 months ago and the first time we heard about this issue was two weeks ago!?!

[23:31:37]

juski:

god only knows

[23:31:43]

juski:

maybe only 3 people are using it

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juski:

:P

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[James]:

So what do I do with that?

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juski:

and they never use mythvideo except when there's a full moon

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[James]:

Just add that line in at 316?

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gbee:

at first it looked like it just affected default (not default-wide) so that I could understand, who uses one of the two 4:3 themes which fell back to default? But now it seems your themes were affected too and we know those are extremely popular

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juski:

oh go on then. I'll svn up, see what I need to do & commit the changes in all the ones I did

[23:34:03]

gbee:

[James]: line 270

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juski:

don't go getting any ideas about them being maintained into 0.22 though

[23:34:17]

gbee:

it's different for Blootube-wide, the commit was for default

[23:34:36]

gbee:

don't replace the existing line, just move it down

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[James]:

Im on a non wide screen monitor. Can I make that change in blootube?

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[James]:

I dont know why I was using blootube-wide

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juski:

I've got 21274 here & can't find a <context> in a mythvideo default theme file

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Tim183:

does anyone know if a Pinnacle PCTV 73e will work with mythtv???

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juski:

duh. there it is.

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juski:

Tim183: does it work in linux?

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iamlindoro:

Thank god that question merited three question marks

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iamlindoro:

Must have been darn emphatic

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Tim183:

yes that's my question

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Tim183:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

Tim183, If it works in linux, it'll work in myth. So go to linuxtv.org and work out whether it'll work in linux

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iamlindoro:

in the wiki

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Tim183:

ok thanks

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[James]:

gbee: Ok Im confused now. Before I go screwing something up. Can you tell me what I need to add in on what line in what file?

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juski:

[James]: I'll tell you which line number etc. gimme a minute

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[James]:

ok

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juski:

make blootube/video-ui.xml have this in the relevant section – hint: there's only one 'enterimdb' container

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juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1530031

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krisb:

hmm

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juski:

ie. underneath the <area>220,200,360,200</area> line add <context>3</context>

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juski:

then save it. you'll have to be sudo of course

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[James]:

and how do i be sudo?

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juski:

sudo nano /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube/video-ui.xml

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juski:

sudo just gives your user admin privileges to let you edit files you're not normally allowed to write over ;)

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juski:

make the change to the file, hit CTRL X to quit. press Y when asked if you want to save the file before quitting. Job done

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krisb:

hmm, does the budget geforce 9 series not support 24p output?

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juski:

24p. they should never have even bothered

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krisb:

the 9800m in my laptop supports it fine, the 9400 in my htpc doesn't want to do it

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juski:

now films can be as flickery/juddery as they are in the cinema yay!

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krisb:

they won't be any better at 50hz unless you have some fancy image processing that generates new frames to fill in the blanks

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krisb:

anyway, when trying to use ExactModeTimingsDVI or using 24p the card gives 50i instead

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juski:

maybe it's an xconfig issue

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iamlindoro:

10 MythVid tickets left... gotta find one more to finish to get to single digits

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krisb:

even though it validates the mode

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krisb:

same config as on my laptop, pretty much

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juski:

pretty much != same

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krisb:

well the only difference is with the screen layout

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krisb:

both have twinview disabled, and the htpc only has one monitor connected

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krisb:

so all i changed was removing one screen and using DFP-1 instead of DFP-0 for the metamode line

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[James]:

Well I did that but I still have a black window that says Enter IMDB # but I cant put a number in

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juski:

[James]: did you back out of mythvideo & then go back in?

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juski:

you need to do that

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[James]:

I restarted mythtv front end

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juski:

hrm

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krisb:

oh well might have to swap out the card anyway if I can't get native HDMI audio on it

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juski:

did you change themes to blootube, [James] ?

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[James]:

yep

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juski:

sigh. I effing hate that theme even more now

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[James]:

lol

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[James]:

should I try to do it to another theme?

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[James]:

Whats a good stable theme?

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juski:

nothing but a bloody millstone around my neck

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delsol:

mythTV work well with iSCSI storage?

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krisb:

anyway, juski, how do you figure movies will be MORE jittery at 24p?

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juski:

delsol: storage is storage. if it has enough throughput

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krisb:

the movie is shot at 24hz either way, unless you do image processing to generate new frames in between you won't get any difference

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juski:

krisb: no more jittery than in cinemas. I always think films with lots of movement look a bit crap

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krisb:

yeah, they do

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juski:

what they need is not to make a disc format with 24P, they wanna up the frame rate of cinema

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krisb:

but atleast with 24p output you avoid the 3:2 pulldown from scaling to 50hz

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krisb:

yeah, but apparently that somehow ruins the "movie" feel from movies

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krisb:

but I agree

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juski:

I don't think I've laid eyes on anything digitally projected yet. heh

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juski:

the idea of '3d' leaves me cold, yada yada

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[James]:

juski: Now I show two files in blootube. video-ui.xml and video-ui.xml.save. Something I need to do there?

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juski:

[James]: which one is right? lol

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[James]:

Well the .save wasnt there earlier

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juski:

since when did nano make a .save backup version anyway?

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krisb:

I wonder how much processing power is required to average 24 frames to 48 frames of 1080p content in realtime :p

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android6011:

do you still have to scan for channels if you use something like schedules direct?

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