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| [00:00:39] | juski: | weird. my PrtSc key has come out as a different code this boot |
| [00:05:55] | juski: | gbee: y'know qt has its own transforms for its painter? |
| [00:07:11] | juski: | doh I forgot. slow systems. still, if they're not animated... |
| [00:08:51] | juski: | might be a much simpler way of doing rotates & other stuff |
| [00:13:38] | iamlindoro: | There we go, one less feature request to listen to again and again ;) |
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| [00:15:02] | juski: | damn. might have to write a test to measure opengl speed vs the qt painter |
| [00:15:15] | juski: | can't find *any* stats anywhere |
| [00:17:01] | juski: | did somebody do some speed comparisons between doing realtime scaling vs using qt functions? |
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| [00:21:37] | juski: | nevermind, thinking about how long the rescaling of a couple of hundred images takes using a decent quality transform.. |
| [00:21:47] | metalfan__: | hi |
| [00:21:48] | urlgrey: | I'm in the process of setting up firewire capture: I have no /dev/raw1394 device, are the /dev/fw0 and /dev/fw1 equivalent to raw1394? |
| [00:21:51] | metalfan__: | ive installd mythbuntu, where can i add directories for my media library? |
| [00:22:14] | juski: | metalfan__: see the utils/setup -> setup > media section of the menus? try there |
| [00:22:26] | juski: | or you could RTFM in mythbuntu's documentation |
| [00:23:18] | iamlindoro: | urlgrey, no |
| [00:24:02] | metalfan__: | juski, theres no fine mythbuntu doc |
| [00:24:14] | iamlindoro: | ummm yes there most certainly is |
| [00:24:22] | metalfan__: | at least google directed me to outdated docs |
| [00:24:27] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/installation_manual |
| [00:24:36] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry, it was only at the top of their page |
| [00:25:11] | metalfan__: | thats easy to say if youre working with this thing all day |
| [00:25:36] | iamlindoro: | www.mythbuntu.org->"installation Manual" doesn't take a degree in MythTVology |
| [00:25:42] | iamlindoro: | just fourth grade literacy |
| [00:25:51] | metalfan__: | ok, i got it |
| [00:25:55] | metalfan__: | i google for mythtv |
| [00:26:19] | metalfan__: | i went through mythtv-setup three times |
| [00:26:23] | metalfan__: | sry for asking |
| [00:26:56] | metalfan__: | got confused with all the myth namings, i did in fact install mythtv |
| [00:27:01] | juski: | mythtv-setup is just for setting up capture cards, video sources, channels & storage groups |
| [00:27:20] | juski: | the place where you enter directory locations for your media is in *mythfrontend* |
| [00:27:22] | Shadow__X: | metalfan__: if you read the manual you shouldn't have issues. don't take out your issues on iamlindoro he, is trying to help.\ |
| [00:27:48] | juski: | utils/setup -> setup > media settings -> video settings (for mythvideo) -> General ... |
| [00:27:52] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, No need to stick up for me, though the intention is noted ;) |
| [00:27:59] | juski: | utils/setup -> setup > media settings -> music settings (for mythmusic) -> General ... |
| [00:28:22] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: yup :) |
| [00:28:47] | metalfan__: | im just saying that i did google, and did find outdated information that just assumed the media directory was setup automatically |
| [00:29:33] | juski: | there are *default* values sure |
| [00:29:44] | juski: | but I'll bet they aren't where your media files are :P |
| [00:30:12] | metalfan__: | theres no media settings |
| [00:30:45] | metalfan__: | and i dont have mythvideo, i started mythfrontend |
| [00:31:00] | metalfan__: | looks like ubuntu renamed the mythbuntu package to mythtv |
| [00:32:58] | juski: | mythvideo is a *plugin* which appears as part of mythfrontend |
| [00:33:19] | juski: | jees I do wish you guys would read the docs people spent months writing |
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| [00:38:44] | metalfan__: | juski, im sry. i just saw the "media library" button in mythtv, so i assumed it was included in the base package |
| [00:41:15] | metalfan__: | ive added my video directory, but it still says that there are no files? |
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| [00:54:58] | juski: | metalfan__: go into the Video Manager. That will scan the directory you added for videos |
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| [00:55:58] | metalfan__: | thx |
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| [01:17:48] | Rainman: | good evening..... Does get metadata feature work in .22, it keeps failing and terminal keeps saying that tmdb.pl fails at line 32 |
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| [01:25:07] | wagnerrp: | metadata does not exist on 0.22 |
| [01:25:14] | wagnerrp: | primarily because 0.22 does not exist |
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| [01:28:00] | Rainman: | ok, so am i imagining something or did i not clarify myself adequately |
| [01:28:18] | wagnerrp: | there is trunk... trunk is just the current development head |
| [01:28:26] | wagnerrp: | 0.22 would mean it had gone to release |
| [01:28:53] | wagnerrp: | however the error you specify is just one dealing with the TMDB grabber |
| [01:29:11] | wagnerrp: | primarily that the TMDB grabber does not gracefully handle some problems with the site |
| [01:29:13] | Rainman: | ok well i am definatly using trunk |
| [01:29:39] | Rainman: | i noticed the site was painfully slow also |
| [01:30:46] | Rainman: | would you recomend using imdb instead |
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| [01:31:23] | wagnerrp: | the site is slow, yes... but the grabber runs off independent API servers |
| [01:31:30] | wagnerrp: | which handle a lot less data and are a lot faster |
| [01:31:39] | wagnerrp: | IMDB is unusable to us |
| [01:31:48] | wagnerrp: | not to mention TMDB offers far better graphics |
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| [01:32:39] | Rainman: | so what is the solution, to keep trying until network clears up? |
| [01:33:27] | wagnerrp: | i suppose.... dont know what the line 32 error is off hand |
| [01:34:30] | Rainman: | i dont know much about code but i commented it out then it whent past it and errored at line 334 |
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| [01:34:42] | Rainman: | so i reverted and stoped |
| [01:34:59] | wagnerrp: | try updating |
| [01:35:08] | wagnerrp: | there have been some recent commits for tmdb in the past couple days |
| [01:36:20] | Rainman: | i am updated to 21216 |
| [01:37:25] | Rainman: | this ticket maybe similar http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6669 |
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| [01:38:04] | Rainman: | is it proper to post my info on that ticket or should i start a new one and niether |
| [01:38:11] | Rainman: | or neither |
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| [01:41:30] | jessie: | hello guys |
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| [01:55:38] | metalfan__: | whats the mythtv keybinding for left/right/up/down in lirc? |
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| [02:03:01] | unimaginative: | metalfan__, um. Mabye Up / Down / Left / Right ? |
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| [02:09:38] | k-man: | is there some way I can set up an rss feed of video's on youtube, google video etc, so that when I add vides to that feed ,they will be watchable in mythtv somehow? |
| [02:12:24] | clever: | i think mythnews or one of the related plugins can do that |
| [02:12:24] | cesman: | mythnettv |
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| [02:51:19] | k-man: | thanks, ill check it out |
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| [02:52:23] | Cyber-Dogg: | hey |
| [02:52:28] | Cyber-Dogg: | so I scrapped my gentoo mythbox |
| [02:52:33] | Cyber-Dogg: | trying to get mythbuntu to work |
| [02:52:41] | Cyber-Dogg: | so far... a lot faster :-) |
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| [02:58:52] | k-man: | mythnettv seems to be more about downloading torrents iinm? i'm more after something for watching videos on youtube |
| [03:04:16] | Cyber-Dogg: | I can't get my ati remote wonder to work on it though |
| [03:04:24] | Cyber-Dogg: | I looked at the wikis and they don't work for me |
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| [03:13:50] | Cyber-Dogg: | hey kormoc |
| [03:13:57] | Cyber-Dogg: | so... I scrapped the gentoo box |
| [03:14:01] | Cyber-Dogg: | moved on to mythbuntu |
| [03:14:03] | Cyber-Dogg: | :-) |
| [03:14:29] | kormoc: | Good for you? |
| [03:15:24] | Cyber-Dogg: | maybe... |
| [03:15:31] | Cyber-Dogg: | can't get my ati remote wonder working on here |
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| [03:55:48] | quinten: | hi, i accidentally created two inputs in mythtv for the same video source (a pvr-150) |
| [03:56:03] | quinten: | will mythtv now think these are two separate devices, and try to schedule programs simultaneously? |
| [03:56:09] | quinten: | or can i safely ignore this |
| [03:56:24] | quinten: | it doesn't seem easy to delete just one input, without having to recreate all of them |
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| [03:59:11] | quinten: | both are pointing to the same actual device, /dev/video0 |
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| [03:59:44] | iamlindoro: | Highlight the card in mythtv-setup, press D |
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| [04:03:08] | quinten: | huh, i feel stupid. i could swear i tried that already |
| [04:03:52] | quinten: | thanks |
| [04:03:57] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [04:26:13] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, So I committed the watched flag stuff for mythvideo today, you can probably use that in some fashion for mirobridge |
| [04:31:15] | iamlindoro: | xris, Do you have a second to tell me what transcode parameters changed that resulted in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20332/ ? Looks like it affects MythDVD also |
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| [04:43:26] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: it's covered in the ticket linked in the changeset |
| [04:43:36] | ** kormoc wonders wtf is going on with defying gravity ** | |
| [04:44:01] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Thanks, should ahve followed it one step further back (got that far from one of my tickets) |
| [04:44:09] | iamlindoro: | I think Defying Gravity seemed goooood |
| [04:44:12] | iamlindoro: | w/ hot chicks |
| [04:44:18] | kormoc: | it's disconnected |
| [04:44:19] | iamlindoro: | but it's ABC so adios |
| [04:44:35] | kormoc: | one minute they're on a space ship, then they're in a strip club, then they're back on the space ship... |
| [04:45:05] | iamlindoro: | Hey, that strip club was important ;) |
| [04:45:50] | kormoc: | Heh, I just don't understand how they're moving between them |
| [04:49:07] | wagnerrp: | the indian defies the patch! |
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| [04:54:11] | wagnerrp: | oof... changes in tmdb.pl breaking an update |
| [04:54:25] | iamlindoro: | whahappened? |
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| [04:55:13] | wagnerrp: | that crappy little patch i made a while back that transitioned tmdb.pl to the native ids, rather than imdb ids |
| [04:55:30] | wagnerrp: | means i cant just simply 'svn up' |
| [04:55:41] | iamlindoro: | Heh, was just looking at that one tonight |
| [04:56:15] | iamlindoro: | Still think it's a good idea, just needs to wait for A nduin's plan to add a field to keep which item was last updated with which grabber |
| [04:56:38] | wagnerrp: | well i either update the patch for the new script |
| [04:56:52] | wagnerrp: | or i write another script to transition all my metadata back to the imdb ids |
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| [05:03:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: add another column :P |
| [05:03:58] | clever: | keep both id's! |
| [05:04:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah... im not adding a patch that changes schema |
| [05:04:30] | wagnerrp: | not over something that trivial anyway |
| [05:04:36] | iamlindoro: | And I'm not applying (that) one :) |
| [05:06:33] | kormoc: | and we wonder why clever's stuff is always broken... oh wait... no we don't... |
| [05:07:15] | rkrishna: | Hi all |
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| [05:14:13] | ** iamlindoro watched a DVD Rip happen... slowly... ** | |
| [05:14:17] | iamlindoro: | stupid patch testing |
| [05:14:25] | iamlindoro: | can't I just commit fixes and not test them? ;) |
| [05:15:11] | kormoc: | You could have... until you said that! |
| [05:15:14] | ** kormoc eyes iamlindoro ** | |
| [05:15:25] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [05:15:37] | iamlindoro: | well believe me, I'm testing this one even though it pains me to do it :) |
| [05:16:18] | iamlindoro: | There are definitely a couple in there I can't make heads or tails of |
| [05:16:22] | wagnerrp: | any reason to add remote file save to the recording export script? |
| [05:16:37] | iamlindoro: | because it's neat? :) |
| [05:16:37] | kormoc: | not imho |
| [05:16:52] | kormoc: | why not just run it locally then? ;) |
| [05:17:00] | rkrishna: | I was wondering if we can use SCTE 35 cues for commercial flagging in myth TV |
| [05:17:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:17:02] | wagnerrp: | i mean no one should have videos on more than one computer |
| [05:17:03] | iamlindoro: | I do agree, just being a dork |
| [05:17:15] | wagnerrp: | at least not until the SG stuff becomes official |
| [05:17:23] | iamlindoro: | We're getting there on that |
| [05:17:24] | kormoc: | rkrishna: Maybe? Can we? Have any patches? |
| [05:17:42] | iamlindoro: | Isn't SCTE-35 timecode? |
| [05:17:50] | iamlindoro: | so... wouldn't that only work for analog? |
| [05:18:20] | rkrishna: | SCTE 35 cues specify time stamps that are put in MPEG ts stream |
| [05:18:54] | rkrishna: | these time stamps are used for local advert insertion. |
| [05:18:55] | iamlindoro: | Is anyone actually broadcasting their commercials that way? And if so, see above re: patch |
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| [05:21:02] | rkrishna: | Yes....for inserting local commercials on a national broadcast...they have these SCTE 35 markers I think. |
| [05:21:19] | iamlindoro: | One generally doesn't get the national feed unmolested ;) |
| [05:21:34] | iamlindoro: | since the national feed is 40 Mbit and what you get locally is 10–14 |
| [05:21:45] | iamlindoro: | You're looking at a transcode that doesn't preserve those |
| [05:21:48] | iamlindoro: | anyway, patches patches |
| [05:22:39] | iamlindoro: | (and associated stream samples that prove they work) |
| [05:22:57] | rkrishna: | ok |
| [05:25:25] | rkrishna: | I have not found much information, if these cues are present in the MPEG TS stream we recieve in the homes |
| [05:27:03] | iamlindoro: | rkrishna, for reference, the answer in the dev channel is *still* provide patches and show that they work on material that normal people get (they won't) |
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| [05:28:33] | ** Captain_Murdoch (hopefully) silences all the "I want my recordings put on the disk with the most free space" people by adding a new sort order to the storage scheduler. ** | |
| [05:28:45] | ** kormoc claps ** | |
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| [05:29:01] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, heheh |
| [05:29:46] | echosyp1: | can anyone tell me why mythfrontend says "2009-08–12 00:28:23.395 New DB connection, total: 1" and then stops |
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| [05:30:50] | echosyp: | i have another frontend configured and working properly, but this one doesn't work |
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| [05:31:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | echosyp, try running it with "-v all" to see if that gives more info. |
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| [05:32:42] | echosyp: | nothing seems abnormal |
| [05:33:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | pastebin the last 100 or so lines. |
| [05:35:22] | echosyp: | http://pastebin.org/8442 |
| [05:36:03] | iamlindoro: | Ahhh, think I've finally got mtd fixed... just one more loooooong rip to find out |
| [05:36:27] | kormoc: | echosyp: run it via strace? |
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| [05:37:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | echosyp, so it's not even connecting to the DB. any iptables rules? can you connect to the DB with the mysql client? |
| [05:38:04] | echosyp: | let see |
| [05:38:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it connected, then right below that you'd see "Connected to database 'mythtv' at host: your_db_hostname" |
| [05:39:51] | wagnerrp: | im a bit concerned with these assembler errors ive been getting |
| [05:40:07] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:40:11] | kormoc: | I'm out of vodka |
| [05:40:13] | wagnerrp: | usually that only happens when you have some sort of hardware fault |
| [05:40:33] | wagnerrp: | but in this case, it only seems to happen when compiling myth with -j2 under freebsd |
| [05:40:41] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if theres actually some fault with 'make' |
| [05:40:51] | wagnerrp: | because the system is otherwise rock stable |
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| [05:41:57] | kormoc: | I am le-sad now |
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| [05:42:13] | ** iamlindoro lends kormoc the bottle vodka he picked up in poland a few years ago ** | |
| [05:42:19] | kormoc: | Woo! |
| [05:42:40] | kormoc: | or I could wonder downstairs and pick another one out of the 11 bottles I have left |
| [05:42:46] | wagnerrp: | i won a bottle of vodka at a high school event |
| [05:43:10] | kormoc: | that school is cool |
| [05:43:19] | wagnerrp: | alumni golf outing, i was 17 at the time |
| [05:43:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont think that was supposed to happen |
| [05:43:36] | kormoc: | Don't ask, don't tell? |
| [05:43:44] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [05:44:13] | kormoc: | Time to pop the top of another 360 |
| [05:44:30] | wagnerrp: | return from an RRoD? |
| [05:45:03] | kormoc: | RRoD? ooh, nah, 360 vodka, it's an amazing vodka for the price and is a re-usable bottle to boot |
| [05:45:21] | iamlindoro: | Aren't... most bottles reusable? |
| [05:45:35] | wagnerrp: | depends on the top |
| [05:45:40] | kormoc: | well, it has one of those top things that reseal |
| [05:45:45] | wagnerrp: | either its a nice bottle, with a cork |
| [05:45:47] | kormoc: | http://www.vodka360.com/index.php |
| [05:45:51] | wagnerrp: | or cheap crap and a screw top |
| [05:46:07] | kormoc: | nah, it has a pop top thing that reseals |
| [05:46:40] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats just the rule with wine |
| [05:46:50] | wagnerrp: | most liquor ive seen has screw caps |
| [05:46:51] | kormoc: | http://shinypackages.files.wordpress.com/2009 . . . ckground.jpg |
| [05:47:02] | kormoc: | yeah, most do, but that style bottle is awesome |
| [05:47:06] | kormoc: | xris would know the name |
| [05:47:37] | kormoc: | the top is a seal on the hinge thing, so you can reseal it rather then using a cork |
| [05:48:37] | kormoc: | while I wouldn't say it's the best vokda I've had, it's the best $22.21 bottle of vodka I've ever had |
| [05:50:58] | iamlindoro: | There we go, mythvideo tickets cut by more than half |
| [05:51:06] | kormoc: | Woo! |
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| [05:52:33] | iamlindoro: | Suspect I can get them to < 5 with a little effort but those last couple will need, in the words of juski, a grownup to look at them |
| [05:52:52] | kormoc: | papa adrian? |
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| [05:53:27] | kormoc: | andurin? asomething... |
| [05:53:36] | iamlindoro: | A'tuin |
| [05:53:40] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [05:53:47] | iamlindoro: | The giant turtle |
| [05:53:54] | kormoc: | the dream of the turtle |
| [05:54:09] | ** kormoc taps his foot for the sequal ** | |
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| [06:00:04] | iamlindoro: | Bah, PERL! |
| [06:00:13] | iamlindoro: | who can rig up a quick easy perl fix for me? |
| [06:00:20] | kormoc: | Perl? Is she cute? |
| [06:00:27] | kormoc: | Depends on what it invovles? |
| [06:00:35] | iamlindoro: | Someone submitted an otherwise working grabber script but the cast comes back w/ HTML in it |
| [06:00:43] | iamlindoro: | just need to parse out the <> portions |
| [06:00:48] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [06:01:55] | kormoc: | how complicated is it? multi-line? |
| [06:02:08] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1526087 <--- Output |
| [06:02:11] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1526088 <--- Perl |
| [06:02:26] | iamlindoro: | well, it should be a matter of one regex |
| [06:02:42] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... actually |
| [06:02:45] | iamlindoro: | I think I've got this |
| [06:02:56] | kormoc: | woo |
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| [06:03:54] | kormoc: | I'd say /<.*?>//g, but I'm sure some regex guru (looking at your xris/meshe) would do something like /<(?%!*@!(%&!%^&!%&@!(%$&!@$(@!$&!@(%&!(%@!>//g |
| [06:04:07] | iamlindoro: | haha |
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| [06:05:15] | kormoc: | Poor mbamford, eaten by coyotes |
| [06:05:39] | wagnerrp: | must have been very wiley to get him |
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| [06:06:19] | kormoc: | oh, he survived the brutal attack! Woo! |
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| [06:09:37] | iamlindoro: | Mwaaahahahaah, take that perl you ignorant whore |
| [06:14:16] | wagnerrp: | now thats interesting... |
| [06:14:38] | wagnerrp: | my 2GHz AMD64 built myth faster than my 2.6GHz AMD64 X2 |
| [06:14:44] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:14:50] | ** iamlindoro shoots another ticket to death ** | |
| [06:14:57] | ** kormoc disbelieveies ** | |
| [06:15:41] | iamlindoro: | hmm, disbelieveies, eh? I've truly misunderestimated you |
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| [06:16:11] | kormoc: | Mornin B1zz |
| [06:16:28] | B1zz: | good morning/night (for me) |
| [06:18:40] | kormoc: | it's always mornin' osmewhere! |
| [06:18:54] | iamlindoro: | kormoc found another bottle |
| [06:19:04] | kormoc: | tis ture |
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| [06:21:28] | wagnerrp: | well thats why the old single core beat the new machine |
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| [06:21:32] | wagnerrp: | the new machine has died |
| [06:22:06] | B1zz: | When I try to start the tv on mythtv, I get an error stating that there is no back end running. I have tried Google this whole afternoon, to no avail making sure that my IP's match. But alas it still does not work. I keep getting the same error. |
| [06:22:10] | iamlindoro: | Why it's 100% faster! ;) |
| [06:23:10] | kormoc: | infinitely faster! |
| [06:24:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: so why did the box commit suicide? couldn't handle the stress of being the fastest compiler in the house? |
| [06:25:00] | wagnerrp: | actually, my 1.8 Opteron X2 is the fastest |
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| [06:25:22] | wagnerrp: | that little bit about having a local hard disk gives it the advantage over the otherwise faster AM2 system |
| [06:25:32] | kormoc: | the am2 has no local drive? |
| [06:25:48] | kormoc: | that seems restrictive for a box |
| [06:26:01] | kormoc: | least, a non-cluster stlye box |
| [06:26:32] | kormoc: | fo shizzle my nizzle dizzle mizzle |
| [06:26:47] | iamlindoro: | What the hell |
| [06:26:49] | wagnerrp: | it lets me run the machine off a mirror, make system snapshots, flip easily flip between system configs |
| [06:26:57] | iamlindoro: | why do people open playback tickets and never include samples? |
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| [06:27:07] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: they hate solutions |
| [06:27:09] | iamlindoro: | is it because 100% of all people opening playback tickets are freaking thieves? |
| [06:27:17] | kormoc: | that too... |
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| [06:27:45] | kormoc: | cause really, if it's some standard thing that a capture device or a sane rip uses, we'd nociet it |
| [06:28:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: plus the bigger issue, im too cheap to just buy hard drives |
| [06:28:11] | iamlindoro: | Can't find any more tickets to close right now |
| [06:28:12] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [06:28:23] | kormoc: | time to learn php? |
| [06:29:13] | iamlindoro: | Is it anything like perl? ;) |
| [06:29:17] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [06:29:20] | kormoc: | it's sane? ;) |
| [06:29:23] | iamlindoro: | 'cause I totally learned that tonight |
| [06:30:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp needs to come in and take control of some of these python tickets from me |
| [06:30:22] | iamlindoro: | as I have no clue what this imdbpy patch does |
| [06:30:48] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [06:30:56] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6219 |
| [06:31:01] | wagnerrp: | i didnt really look through it much beyond seeing it still downloaded the images off the website |
| [06:31:04] | iamlindoro: | It says it's a bugfix, but it sure doesn't *look* like a bugfix |
| [06:31:24] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, As long as it doesn't *re-add* that functionality and the fixes are correct, I'll commit it |
| [06:31:35] | wagnerrp: | of course it seems to pull the URL for them images out of the database |
| [06:31:41] | iamlindoro: | but I'm not competent to review it so I need to defer to someone |
| [06:31:52] | wagnerrp: | so imdb seems to want people to do scripted downloads of those images |
| [06:31:53] | kormoc: | ooh, it's imdb tho, we're dropping that support |
| [06:32:04] | wagnerrp: | its not a scraper |
| [06:32:09] | kormoc: | ooh... |
| [06:32:14] | wagnerrp: | it uses their downloaded database files and API |
| [06:32:16] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, yes, but we're keeping imdbpy and it's going to work only on the downloaded DB |
| [06:32:17] | kormoc: | I have no idea what's going on then |
| [06:32:26] | kormoc: | weird? |
| [06:32:34] | kormoc: | or intoxicated, one of the two |
| [06:32:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, So I guess my questions are a) in your estimation, is the code correct, and b) does it not add or re-add any illicit behavior |
| [06:33:07] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, ie if it's already there, I'll commit and we can fix later |
| [06:33:14] | wagnerrp: | ill take a look at it sometime tomorrow then |
| [06:33:18] | iamlindoro: | ok, thanks |
| [06:33:27] | kormoc: | fetch poster.py is still legit? I was sure it wans't? |
| [06:33:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, There are a few things I am itching to svn del, that's one of them |
| [06:34:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it seems to be capable of pulling from movieposters.com as well |
| [06:34:11] | iamlindoro: | though who in their right mind would want imdb posters any more anyway |
| [06:34:14] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what their rules are |
| [06:34:22] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: I was sure they wreren't legit too |
| [06:34:33] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I went looking for ToS there... couldn't find *any* |
| [06:34:40] | kormoc: | I thought we were basicall y limiting to tmdb and ttvdb |
| [06:34:49] | wagnerrp: | considering that site seems to be able selling physical posters |
| [06:34:57] | wagnerrp: | i doubt they really want you scraping their images |
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| [06:35:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Well, and the non-english sites, and anything that is allowed by ToS |
| [06:35:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, But I think the legitimacy of these scripts is something we need to revisit for .22 |
| [06:35:59] | iamlindoro: | I know that imdbpy at least has been "approved" for now to use the downloaded stuff |
| [06:36:11] | iamlindoro: | don't think we've discussed the fetch_poster stuff though |
| [06:39:37] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [06:39:50] | kormoc: | Lampshades are looking like good hats, I think that means Ishoudl sleep |
| [06:40:56] | B1zz: | or less booze? |
| [06:41:05] | kormoc: | llittle late for that |
| [06:41:30] | B1zz: | I suppose, |
| [06:41:37] | wagnerrp: | theres a guy in Big Trouble in Little China who wears a lampshare for a hat |
| [06:41:44] | wagnerrp: | lampshade |
| [06:41:51] | kormoc: | did the ladies dig it? |
| [06:42:00] | wagnerrp: | of course he shoots lightning out of his fingers |
| [06:42:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont think youre that drunk yet |
| [06:42:07] | kormoc: | although the lack of ldaies in my house negates that benifit |
| [06:42:14] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [06:42:17] | B1zz: | oh yeah! that Raiden look alike |
| [06:42:18] | iamlindoro: | If you shoot lightning out of your fingers, you can wear anything you want |
| [06:42:27] | kormoc: | godo to know |
| [06:43:02] | kormoc: | znoozy time |
| [06:43:08] | wagnerrp: | electrified for her pleasure |
| [06:43:12] | kormoc: | woo! |
| [06:43:29] | kormoc: | last's longer then a set of C's! |
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| [06:44:47] | iamlindoro: | Yay, one more ticket demolished |
| [06:44:50] | iamlindoro: | suck it, tickets |
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| [06:46:22] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo Tickets = 14, Theme tickets = 0 |
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| [07:22:37] | jst_home: | anyone here have good or bad experiences with fast forwarding of 1080i content using 0.22 (trunk) with vdpau enabled? |
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| [07:30:05] | gbee: | recordings, or video with a seektable? |
| [07:34:12] | jst_home: | recordings, from a hdpvr |
| [07:34:25] | jst_home: | 13mbps |
| [07:34:35] | jst_home: | (still in early testing here) |
| [07:35:05] | jst_home: | this is on an nvidia-ion system with an 1.6GHz Atom cpu |
| [07:35:36] | jst_home: | I'm wondering if it's CPU bound, IO bound, or graphics bound |
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| [07:39:58] | gbee: | not working here, never use FF so I hadn't noticed |
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| [07:40:25] | gbee: | in fact playback isn't too good either for some reason |
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| [07:42:28] | jst_home: | gbee: what kind of hardware? |
| [07:43:19] | gbee: | 2.5Ghz X2 w/ Nvidia 8200 using VDPAU |
| [07:43:37] | gbee: | BBC HD |
| [07:44:20] | jst_home: | ok |
| [07:46:27] | clever: | gbee: my mysql server is frozen again |
| [07:46:47] | clever: | wait, this is a different problem... |
| [07:46:52] | clever: | Repair by sorting |
| [07:46:57] | clever: | when did it, wait |
| [07:47:01] | clever: | why is the drive full... |
| [07:47:05] | clever: | wtf |
| [07:47:22] | gbee: | I'll bother Mark about the playback issue I'm seeing, the hardware shouldn't be having any trouble and the machine is fast enough to decode it even without vdpau |
| [07:47:55] | clever: | damn useless autoexpire |
| [07:48:10] | jst_home: | gbee: let me know if you find out anything interesting? |
| [07:48:57] | clever: | shure, now the damn thing expires |
| [07:49:03] | clever: | the file i was in the middle of watching!! |
| [07:49:51] | gbee: | clever: your recordings are on the same drive as your database? |
| [07:50:24] | clever: | they have been ever since i fried the mythconverg partition |
| [07:50:48] | clever: | i was expecting auto-expire to do its job and keep 5gig free |
| [07:51:04] | clever: | but lately, its been broken because of the 200 recordings with missing files |
| [07:52:27] | clever: | it cant expire the file it wants to, so it doesnt expire anything |
| [07:52:31] | clever: | it seems |
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| [07:54:38] | clever: | i suspected that my internal pata drive was too slow for mythconverg |
| [07:54:43] | clever: | so i was moving it over to the sata using pvmove |
| [07:54:57] | clever: | but it seems pvmove + xfs == wtf |
| [07:55:13] | clever: | so i lost the first few sectors of mythconverg's file system |
| [07:55:31] | clever: | next time, unmount every damn fs |
| [07:57:17] | clever: | i suspect xfs was ignoring pvmove and writing to the old location |
| [07:58:11] | anykey_: | you moved your fs from one drive to another without unmounting it? |
| [07:58:44] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:58:48] | clever: | but the way lvm works, its not usualy a problem |
| [07:59:06] | clever: | it converts it into fs->mirror->source+dest |
| [07:59:17] | clever: | then treats it as a 'broken' mirror and sync'd the dest up |
| [07:59:43] | clever: | but xfs didnt take it very well |
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| [08:17:19] | juski: | back at work, average of one email per day off. nothing changed while I was away. nothing in the lab has even been moved |
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| [08:22:04] | croppa: | hi all |
| [08:22:16] | croppa: | I have just reinstalled mythtv and all is working on the main box however I cannot get into see tv or recordings on another computer |
| [08:22:35] | croppa: | the error is "No UPnP backends found" |
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| [08:23:21] | croppa: | I remember once having to change permissions or something but I cannot remember |
| [08:23:40] | croppa: | Can someone remind me please? |
| [08:23:46] | croppa: | Thanks |
| [08:34:40] | croppa: | It is OK I just forgot to set the security code in the backend.............silly me :-) |
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| [09:04:04] | juski: | don't ever remember setting that up |
| [09:06:24] | gbee: | auto-discovery, needed for upnp, is disabled without it but it doesn't actually prevent non-upnp usage if you enter the configuration details manually |
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| [10:20:56] | juski: | oo my USB 7.1 soundcard has arrived at last |
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| [11:11:39] | notlistening_: | Hi is there still a know issue with the channel scranning when using DVB-T an it getting the wrong frequencies? I ma using version 0.21.0 |
| [11:12:02] | notlistening_: | with the latest fixes |
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| [11:30:55] | sid3windr: | anyone from US want to buy me something? |
| [11:31:05] | sid3windr: | I'd like 10x http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 202649424157 |
| [11:31:16] | sid3windr: | but it appears the don't ship outside of US/CA ;) |
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| [11:34:15] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: just as well, they would have you arrested when you went to pick it up. :P |
| [11:35:04] | sid3windr: | why? |
| [11:35:11] | AndyCap: | http://www.geek.com/articles/news/best-buy-is . . . ed-20020424/ |
| [11:35:55] | sid3windr: | LOL wtf |
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| [11:36:42] | metalfan__: | hi |
| [11:37:09] | laga_: | wtf |
| [11:37:15] | metalfan__: | ive tried browser/listing/generell as view for my media library. none of them displays folders. is there a way to see the folders? |
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| [11:44:20] | juski: | wtf? |
| [11:46:50] | juski: | arrested for what exactly? attempted fraud? |
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| [12:16:16] | juski: | whee modified my usb audio thing already. now it has 4 stereo outs (and 0 line inputs) instead of 3 stereo outs (and 1 stereo line in) |
| [12:16:25] | juski: | and they all work :D |
| [12:16:47] | laga_: | soldering iron? |
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| [12:23:58] | mzb: | sid3windr, if you find a buyer I'll take one too ;) |
| [12:25:32] | juski: | laga_: yeah. and scalpel. and kynar wire :) |
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| [12:27:25] | mzb: | hell, I might buy one for myself, and another for the buyer ;) |
| [12:27:33] | mzb: | *cackle* |
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| [12:34:15] | ** mzb goes to measure his wall space ** | |
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| [12:47:16] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [12:47:30] | sid3windr: | I found one of those shipping thingies that have a US address and then reship to you |
| [12:47:37] | sid3windr: | but it's $100 for 4.5kg to .be |
| [12:47:44] | sid3windr: | so I don't wanna know what 45kg would do |
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| [12:58:01] | AkhIL: | How to move to upper directory in mythgallery? Excape returns me to multimeda menu. |
| [13:01:41] | tmkt: | waste your time to buy one |
| [13:01:49] | tmkt: | so they can email you and cancel the order |
| [13:01:55] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [13:02:04] | sid3windr: | I'd rather they arrest me |
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| [13:04:01] | tmkt: | 999$ i'm guessing is what the price should be |
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| [13:07:55] | sid3windr: | all this, for nine ninety nine! |
| [13:08:00] | sid3windr: | *types in* 9.99 |
| [13:08:01] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [13:12:59] | juski: | *not available in ANY shops* |
| [13:13:00] | juski: | :P |
| [13:13:19] | juski: | since when did Ronco make PC gear anyway? |
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| [13:47:52] | Coded1: | hello all |
| [13:48:11] | Coded1: | anyone have experience with the ATI 3200HD on myth? |
| [13:48:28] | Coded1: | looking for 1080p hdmi output |
| [13:50:23] | ** Dassu loves nvidia's VDPAU ** | |
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| [13:52:08] | Coded1: | Dassu, your not the first one to say that today |
| [13:52:10] | Coded1: | :( |
| [13:53:06] | Coded1: | any one with luck on an ATI? |
| [13:59:49] | Coded1: | guess not eh |
| [14:03:44] | j-rod: | ATI has their heads up their arse |
| [14:04:09] | j-rod: | open drivers have shoddy support for anything newer than the X1000 series |
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| [14:04:26] | j-rod: | binary drivers haven't worked with the latest upstream Xorg server for the better part of a year |
| [14:05:57] | j-rod: | actually... wait... they might have a driver that works with semi-recent Xorg, at least for some value of "works" |
| [14:06:07] | j-rod: | but in short, get something else if you want to be happy |
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| [14:06:37] | j-rod: | iamlindoro/sphery: rock, btw. |
| [14:07:19] | B1zz: | the ticket squasher! |
| [14:07:44] | Coded1: | j-rod, thanx I figured so much |
| [14:08:46] | Coded1: | what distro is best for myth in terms of bleeding edge? I'm guessing gentoo but would like suggestions if you have them |
| [14:09:07] | Coded1: | it will all be about HTPC |
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| [14:10:46] | j-rod: | the best distro to use is the one you're most familiar with |
| [14:11:34] | j-rod: | Fedora's rawhide tree, Mandriva's cooker tree, openSUSE's factory tree, Debian experimental, etc., are all plenty bleeding |
| [14:12:07] | Coded1: | i've been playing alot with gentoo lately it helps the size of my e-peen |
| [14:12:12] | Coded1: | lol |
| [14:12:39] | j-rod: | no reason not to stick with it if you're happy with it |
| [14:13:07] | Coded1: | true, I guess I'm just playing the waiting game with ati those bastards |
| [14:13:59] | Coded1: | After all my problems with my 9800pro I swore I would avoid them, then they started releasing code and I thought it would change ... |
| [14:14:40] | j-rod: | I suspect its in no small part related to the current economy, though AMD hasn't been doing that well for quite a some time (basically, since Intel recaptured the performance crown from the opteron) |
| [14:14:54] | j-rod: | free software isn't so sexy in hard economic times |
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| [14:16:37] | Coded1: | well it is sexy but apparently just to me |
| [14:20:49] | jams: | hi j-rod |
| [14:23:30] | j-rod: | Coded1: to a company bleeding money, notsomuch. To you and me (and many people in this channel), sure, it still is. |
| [14:23:45] | j-rod: | jams: hey. got my streamzap hardware yesterday. :) |
| [14:23:54] | jams: | awesome |
| [14:24:03] | j-rod: | and my 207 line blindly committed untested patch works perfectly |
| [14:24:03] | jams: | and your a beleiver already! |
| [14:24:26] | j-rod: | heh |
| [14:24:26] | jams: | nice |
| [14:24:40] | j-rod: | it feels a bit too small and light in my hand |
| [14:24:43] | j-rod: | but not bad |
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| [14:25:21] | ** j-rod has rather large hands ** | |
| [14:25:26] | jams: | i could see that, but i do love the way the buttons feel. |
| [14:25:35] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I saw the watched flag commit. That does not effect Miro Bridge (at least to me). It is when you can delete a video file and it's videometadata from MythVideo that Miro Bridge has issue. Any video the Miro is keeping track of will reappear in MythVideo. What is the state of deleting within MythVideo. From the commit list it seems to be partially implemented am I correct? |
| [14:26:10] | jams: | guess it doesn't matter as I don't really use the remote for anything other then testing. MX-880 or MX-500 populate the rest of the house. |
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| [14:27:29] | j-rod: | jams: yep, this'll be solely for testing, harmony 880 is what I use in the living room |
| [14:27:52] | j-rod: | and its actually working quite well with the receiver in my antec veris premiere |
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| [14:31:07] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: you can delete files, and support for that is in the recent bindings in trunk (hopefully, i wrote it but never actually tested it) |
| [14:31:17] | wagnerrp: | but you have to delete the metadata separately |
| [14:32:40] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Thanks, so at this time there is no key input e.g. "D" which will remove both the video file AND it's videometaddata record? |
| [14:33:33] | wagnerrp: | there is no mythvideo deletefile() in the bindings |
| [14:33:57] | wagnerrp: | rather its a generic deletefile() in myth protocol |
| [14:34:09] | wagnerrp: | it will delete any file accessible in one of the storage groups |
| [14:35:07] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, Yes, there is (and has been) Mythvideo delete support. Current trunk segfaults in a nasty way when you try to do it. I have a patch which solves that problem and adds support for SG delete. It's just not quite as perfect as I would like it do be yet, but I hope to have that one in this week |
| [14:35:33] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Thanks, btw :) |
| [14:35:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre talking about deleting stuff from the GUI, not having mirobridge delete stuff |
| [14:36:35] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I decided to implement logic in Miro Bridge that will handle a MythVideo "D" key or similar option when it is implemented. Basically future proofing Miro Bridge. It was not as bad of a change as I first feared. Thanks iamlindoro for the info. |
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| [14:38:57] | Coded1: | as far as FTA sattelite HD goes is there a card that works better than others? |
| [14:39:26] | Coded1: | I think its DBV-S2 |
| [14:39:53] | iamlindoro: | You're in North America. |
| [14:39:58] | iamlindoro: | There is no FTA HD. |
| [14:40:00] | Coded1: | canaa |
| [14:40:03] | Coded1: | canada |
| [14:40:07] | Coded1: | eh |
| [14:40:14] | iamlindoro: | The FTA you probably mean is "FTA" |
| [14:40:15] | wagnerrp: | canada == north america |
| [14:40:31] | iamlindoro: | which would be the euphemistic way of saying "getting Bell or Dish network" |
| [14:40:38] | iamlindoro: | which is stealing/unwelcome here |
| [14:41:10] | Coded1: | how about sattelite HD in general? |
| [14:41:24] | Coded1: | if I subscribe to bell |
| [14:41:34] | iamlindoro: | et s subscription and a legit box, then capture the output with a Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [14:41:36] | iamlindoro: | er get a |
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| [14:42:02] | Coded1: | Hauppage is pretty linux friendly? |
| [14:42:08] | iamlindoro: | Yes, very |
| [14:42:15] | Coded1: | nice |
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| [14:43:36] | Coded1: | if I get a bell decoder box and plug it into the hauppage isn't there an "evil bit" in HDMI that might not let it work? |
| [14:43:58] | juski: | Dibblah: you seen these? http://www.omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/Embedde . . . p-16140.html |
| [14:44:15] | juski: | Coded1: the happauge device doesn't have an HDMI input |
| [14:44:16] | high-rez: | There is *some* fta hd – just not enough to really make it worth it. PBS is available on Ku – and there's additional stuff on C-Band if you're able to have a 6 foot dish. |
| [14:45:28] | juski: | Coded1: and FWIW HDCP is way more than one evil bit. Stupid long key exchange which changes frequently |
| [14:46:27] | iamlindoro: | Coded1, Since you're not capturing HDMI, it' |
| [14:46:30] | iamlindoro: | it's not relevant |
| [14:46:36] | iamlindoro: | you're capturing component |
| [14:46:49] | juski: | *component outputs not always enabled* |
| [14:47:24] | iamlindoro: | well, in NA they still always are |
| [14:47:25] | Coded1: | basically I want to set up a decent HTPC with OTA and sattelite, and as much HD as I can get |
| [14:47:28] | iamlindoro: | for the time being |
| [14:47:49] | iamlindoro: | there are also HDMI->component converters |
| [14:48:07] | iamlindoro: | Coded1, Any decent ATSC card + Sat STB + HD-PVR will work fine for your purposes |
| [14:48:13] | juski: | amen :) |
| [14:48:17] | iamlindoro: | (+ computer w/ mythtv) |
| [14:48:41] | Coded1: | sounds like a start :) I just have to get a nvidia card :{ |
| [14:48:43] | Coded1: | :P |
| [14:49:12] | juski: | oh bugger. boxeee done got mythtv working. muppetry |
| [14:49:20] | iamlindoro: | juski, whatnow? |
| [14:49:44] | juski: | looks like boggseee are putting native mythtv support in |
| [14:49:50] | iamlindoro: | juski, linkie? |
| [14:50:06] | juski: | still, if it works as well as eggsbee-emmcee...;-) |
| [14:50:29] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I'd suspect they're writing YAPSMFE |
| [14:50:37] | iamlindoro: | (Yet another Python Script Myth Frontend) |
| [14:50:47] | iamlindoro: | or simply stealing the existing one |
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| [14:51:04] | juski: | http://forum.boxee.tv/showthread.php?p=58133 |
| [14:51:48] | iamlindoro: | juski, That *appears* (and I've never used boxee) to be XBMC's myth:// support, no? |
| [14:52:08] | iamlindoro: | Or should I be reading further? |
| [14:52:17] | juski: | adding upnp sources |
| [14:52:48] | juski: | so basically a frontend for watching recording & a series of hacks for the EPG & livetv. naasty |
| [14:53:14] | wagnerrp: | how closely related to xmbc is boxee? |
| [14:53:16] | iamlindoro: | yarg |
| [14:53:28] | juski: | wagnerrp: boxee is a fork of xbmc |
| [14:53:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean are they developed in parallel, or did boxee completely fork off |
| [14:53:34] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Same, w/ extra plugins and a slightly modified frontend |
| [14:53:37] | juski: | they bring stuff back & forth |
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| [14:54:03] | juski: | so far nobody at xbmc has used the 'tweet what you just watched' crap |
| [14:54:05] | juski: | ;) |
| [14:54:56] | juski: | hmmmm. MythTwit, anybody? Piece of cake now we have the html viewer, no? |
| [14:55:11] | clever: | just wait till the day they start watching pron and forget thats enabled |
| [14:55:44] | wagnerrp: | 'hi everyone, i just watched Psych.s04e01.720p.x264-CTU.mkv!' |
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| [14:57:27] | iamlindoro: | I don't know which is more criminal-- the theft of the TV, or that there's been four seasons of psych |
| [14:58:10] | ** iamlindoro whimpers a little and suspects he needs to look at the mythvideo delete patch again today ** | |
| [14:58:12] | ** juski gets a warrant to ask Twitter what IP address that tweet came from, then looks up said IP address, approaches the ISP... ** | |
| [14:58:24] | wagnerrp: | fourth just started this friday |
| [14:58:43] | juski: | oh look I just found a big disadvantage in having some company know what I've been watching. Whoops |
| [14:59:14] | juski: | heh. had to reply to "Was looking through MythTV stuff, and a question come to me. What's the difference between DVR-ing a show and dl-ing it?" |
| [14:59:19] | wagnerrp: | juski: some people just have no care for their privacy |
| [15:00:21] | wagnerrp: | what am i talking about, youre over there in the Nanny Kingdom |
| [15:00:44] | juski: | true |
| [15:01:19] | wagnerrp: | im somewhat frightened with this thing about the cablebox detecting how many viewers there are |
| [15:01:25] | juski: | yet another waste of time blog entry:"Just made a quick update to the Configuring Your MCE IR Remote post. I have added in Audio Delay + and – to the mplayer lirc config". FAIL |
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| [15:02:45] | tmkt-work: | Bonjoyr |
| [15:04:46] | juski: | oo another fail: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Nik_Doof/AutoAudio |
| [15:05:08] | juski: | -acodec copy from mpeg1 layer2 to mp3? nah |
| [15:05:32] | ** iamlindoro wonders if there will be fallout from #6835 ** | |
| [15:06:10] | iamlindoro: | ie when people realize we won't be doing mixing of SGs and local mounts |
| [15:06:46] | wagnerrp: | erm... local mounts are disabled if SGs exist? |
| [15:06:57] | iamlindoro: | Scanning of them, yes |
| [15:07:03] | wagnerrp: | amazing |
| [15:07:33] | wagnerrp: | that will certainly make things easier |
| [15:07:37] | iamlindoro: | Prevents what 99% of people would get, which is duplicate records of everything |
| [15:07:54] | GreyFoxx: | who cares if they get duplicates? Or are yours showing up on "top" of each other ? |
| [15:07:56] | wagnerrp: | i would have to scan on one machine, and download imagery on a second machine, and then go into the database and string/replace everything |
| [15:08:03] | juski: | should I tell Mr Doof that his script isn't outputting mp3 or not? |
| [15:08:07] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, They show up on top of each other |
| [15:08:17] | GreyFoxx: | For example on my box here I have a NFS mount to /data/video2 which is ALSO a SG from that remote box |
| [15:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | when I scan they never show up on top of each other |
| [15:08:29] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, or rather, as two records side by side for everything |
| [15:08:29] | jams: | thats a bad idea |
| [15:08:53] | GreyFoxx: | never happens for me |
| [15:09:10] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Always has for me until I made the change I committed for one or the other |
| [15:09:23] | GreyFoxx: | probably because of the same path on each of server ? |
| [15:09:40] | GreyFoxx: | For example I have mythvideo scanning both /data/video:/data/video2 AND have a SG of /data/video2 |
| [15:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | the /data/video and SG are merged, and /data/video2 appears as a subfolder called data |
| [15:10:08] | GreyFoxx: | so if I want I can get at the "raw" file bypassing SG |
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| [15:11:02] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, as we're moving towards supporting SG only it doesn't seem the change to scanning behavior is that problematic |
| [15:11:23] | iamlindoro: | Especially as going without the change breaks more setups than it helps |
| [15:11:48] | j-rod: | someday, I should figure out why mythweb likes to think the nfs mount on my frontend/slave backend is a second 4T storage area |
| [15:12:01] | GreyFoxx: | I guess I don't see a reason to be one or the other as long as the user doesn't have duplicated displayed on the same screen of course |
| [15:12:16] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, AFAICT *most* people are going to take their existing video dir and make it their Storage Group |
| [15:12:25] | iamlindoro: | Which *does* (here) result in just that |
| [15:12:40] | iamlindoro: | 300, 300, 2001, 2001, etc. etc. |
| [15:12:55] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe my usage pattern just avoided the problem so it never happened for me |
| [15:13:05] | GreyFoxx: | unintentionally :) |
| [15:13:11] | iamlindoro: | I have one MV directory: /MythMedia/movies |
| [15:13:19] | iamlindoro: | when Sg support came in, I made that my SG |
| [15:13:27] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, that would have duplicates |
| [15:13:30] | iamlindoro: | thereafter, a scan w/o the change I committed resulted in the above |
| [15:13:32] | GreyFoxx: | since it's a merged list |
| [15:13:48] | iamlindoro: | It seems that that's what most people would do, no? |
| [15:14:13] | GreyFoxx: | I do agree users should only define a particular dir as SG or not |
| [15:14:43] | GreyFoxx: | I just don't know about forcing them off local only if they so choose |
| [15:15:40] | jams: | I'm with GreyFoxx on this one. If the SG si the same as the local dir then sure disable that one, but not all the local. |
| [15:16:21] | iamlindoro: | IMO The change should stay in and we should just get the last bits of work done to go all SG |
| [15:16:53] | iamlindoro: | I can't even do a scan without the change without wrecking my video DB |
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| [15:18:30] | iamlindoro: | I can right a bunch of code to do the compare and disable a single item in the scan, or we can just do what we should do and get to SGs only |
| [15:18:46] | iamlindoro: | er write |
| [15:18:52] | iamlindoro: | see what you people are doing to my literacy? |
| [15:18:55] | GreyFoxx: | I'm ALL for having everything avialable via SG, and users can use SG to their hearts content, but I see no reason to force someone off something that works for them now. |
| [15:19:08] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: My poor grmamar and spelling are catching ?:) |
| [15:19:22] | gbee: | support for local directories alongside SG might be useful for locally attached removable storage, whether it's an SD card from a video/stills camera or a portable HDD |
| [15:19:45] | jams: | GreyFoxx- it all goes back to your cat giving us daily lessions in how to type. |
| [15:19:51] | wagnerrp: | local directories can be in SGs |
| [15:20:02] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, gbee: Okay, and what about me? My usable pattern is "atypical"? Ie I want to be able to mount my SG dir locally and not have duplicates of everything? |
| [15:20:14] | wagnerrp: | or do you mean have any local directories be limited to browse mode, accessing the file system directly rather than going through the database? |
| [15:20:34] | iamlindoro: | IMHO my usage is far closer to what the average person would be/will be doing |
| [15:20:45] | wagnerrp: | have local directories show up in the list, but never hit the database |
| [15:20:48] | GreyFoxx: | The biggest problem, and frankly the only one really for me, is that because of the way libdvdcss works ISO playback is a problem with SG's. I have a work around that I plan to commmit pre 0.22 which definitly works for linux users, just can't confirm right now windows or osx |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | and video_ts directories do not at all |
| [15:21:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro: no, I agree with you that we shouldn't be looking in both places, I agree with the change you made just pointing out that down the road we may still want the local storage code so it shouldn't be removed yet |
| [15:21:19] | wagnerrp: | so you can browse and access the content, but not continually flood the database |
| [15:21:53] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: no video_ts? Hmm, guess I can redo the two I've got as ISOs |
| [15:22:06] | iamlindoro: | I think I could probably rig something up like wagnerrp mentions |
| [15:22:14] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: libdvdcss insists on accessing the content directly |
| [15:22:29] | GreyFoxx: | so unless we write the fuse based model which I found way too crashy |
| [15:22:37] | gbee: | ugh |
| [15:22:55] | GreyFoxx: | or distribute a custom libdvdcss which I don't see happenning .... |
| [15:22:58] | ** iamlindoro has to run to work, hopefully don't miss too much/come back and find out I can only commit to themes now ;) ** | |
| [15:23:27] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: But use nbd works PERFECTLY for iso and actually dvdrom streaming |
| [15:24:07] | GreyFoxx: | So if the user attempts to play a ISO we would bypass the normal SG stream and setup a nbd "stream" which libdvdcss happily works with |
| [15:24:17] | GreyFoxx: | with no need to modify dvdcss |
| [15:24:27] | GreyFoxx: | in fact it works amazingly well with my dvdchanger |
| [15:24:42] | GreyFoxx: | I've been playing dvd's off my changer in the basement for a couple days now |
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| [15:24:58] | GreyFoxx: | (manually stuffing entries into the vidoe db for them at the moment) |
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| [15:30:14] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I have no video_ts at all, and only a handful of iso's but the nbd approach for iso/dvd's makes my changer MUCH more useful. I've got the mythprotocol bits ready, and the mythtv-setup bits ready. Assuming I get time soon I hope to work on dvd scans and auto stuffing the dvd's into the mythvideo list during a scan |
| [15:30:41] | GreyFoxx: | So a user can pick the changer name from the top of th elist, and get a tree /list of the dvd's on that device. |
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| [16:21:12] | RyeBrye: | HD-PVR says it requires a dual-core CPU – but that's not correct if you are using VDPAU is it? (i.e. if my system can play back the sample 13.5 Mbps recordings with no problems, it should be able to hand the HD-PVR just fine as well?) |
| [16:21:37] | iamlindoro: | More or less, that's correct |
| [16:22:04] | iamlindoro: | You're looking a the windows requirement list, so little to none of that is of any consequence |
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| [16:23:20] | RyeBrye: | I'm in no hurry to get one since good TV doesn't start back up until the fall... but if it gets LIRC support maybe I'd want to put it on a slave backend on a machine that doesn't have any IR support right now and is just a frontend at the moment |
| [16:23:55] | RyeBrye: | It'd be an easier sell to the wife. "But honey, we can use a remote with that TV now... " |
| [16:24:28] | RyeBrye: | (provided LIRC eventually arrives – but I'm in no hurry) |
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| [16:25:36] | davilla: | ping j-rod |
| [16:25:43] | wagnerrp: | the hdpvr has a receiver? |
| [16:26:11] | jst_home: | RyeBrye: you can always use a separate IR receiver whether the one in the HD-PVR is supported or not |
| [16:26:37] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I can... but then I wouldn't have the excuse to get the HD-PVR :) |
| [16:26:49] | jst_home: | oh, I see :) |
| [16:27:06] | RyeBrye: | The HDHR lives in my closet, and it has IR |
| [16:27:35] | RyeBrye: | I could run downstairs and aim a remote at it, push a button, and then run upstairs every time I want to use a remote with it I suppose |
| [16:27:48] | jst_home: | RyeBrye: and yeah, HD-PVR viewing runs fine here on a single core Atom chip (which is no where near fast enough) as long as I use VDPAU |
| [16:28:21] | jst_home: | RyeBrye: though there's some issues with fast forwarding faster than 3x here, not sure what's up with that |
| [16:28:24] | RyeBrye: | when VDPAU came out, I got an extra frontend for the price of a video card |
| [16:29:18] | jst_home: | yeah, vdpau is pretty neat |
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| [17:15:17] | thedarkone: | anyone know if u can hook up more then 2 emitters on a mce remote transmitter? |
| [17:15:38] | iamlindoro: | No, two max |
| [17:16:05] | thedarkone: | even with a splitter? |
| [17:16:21] | GreyFoxx: | Heh, I completely forgot that my MCE reciever had those ports for xmitting as well |
| [17:16:24] | j-rod: | davilla: hey |
| [17:17:27] | j-rod: | thedarkone: no. there are two distinct emitter ports. there's no way to "split" an IR signal, the driver gets told which port to send on. |
| [17:17:50] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: yes, the hdpvr does have a receiver, and transmitters |
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| [17:18:53] | j-rod: | I patched the IR part enabling bits into Fedora kernels on Monday, intending to poke at it some to see what's needed (if anything) to make lirc_zilog work with it |
| [17:19:25] | thedarkone: | i see i guess i could use ir port on the pvr 250? |
| [17:19:43] | j-rod: | the pvr 250's that I'm aware of only have a receiver part |
| [17:19:50] | j-rod: | some 150s have xmit |
| [17:20:03] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [17:21:03] | ** GreyFoxx builds a new instance of stellarium, fun fun ** | |
| [17:21:37] | thedarkone: | i guess i have to build a serial one or by a usb-uirt |
| [17:22:15] | GreyFoxx: | You can make a serial xmiter with $10 of parts from radioshack and 10 minutes outting them together |
| [17:22:43] | thedarkone: | greyfoxx you have a link on how to |
| [17:22:48] | GreyFoxx: | though that assumes you have a soldering iron and solder |
| [17:22:56] | thedarkone: | yeap |
| [17:23:04] | GreyFoxx: | thedarkone: I used plans form only about4 years ago ... no idea what the urkl is now |
| [17:23:12] | iamlindoro: | www.lirc.org |
| [17:23:13] | GreyFoxx: | I made 4 of them and just keep them in a drawer now |
| [17:23:16] | j-rod: | http://lirc.org/transmitters.html |
| [17:23:17] | iamlindoro: | multiple schematics there |
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| [17:24:10] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: something worth having in the latest source? |
| [17:24:15] | j-rod: | or, get a command IR II, its got 4 xmitter ports on it |
| [17:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mmdsi.com/mythtv/MythTV_DISH_IR_LE . . . ed_LIRC.html |
| [17:24:30] | j-rod: | of course, it costs a small fortune... |
| [17:24:37] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I used years ago |
| [17:25:23] | gbee: | uninstalled Stellarium just yesterday because I needed to quickly free up space on the root partition, though I plan on putting it back |
| [17:25:42] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I want to move my instance to a faster machine, plus I want to make some mods |
| [17:25:55] | clever: | gbee: that reminds me, i'm still installing kstars but had the build on ctrl+z |
| [17:26:02] | gbee: | ah |
| [17:26:04] | GreyFoxx: | so you can connect, pass it a identifier and a time and it can spit back the ra/dec and such to find it at that time |
| [17:26:30] | GreyFoxx: | it's got all the smarts to calculate everything I just want a way to grab arbitrary objects/dates |
| [17:26:49] | ** j-rod has a command IR II kit, only used for testing though ** | |
| [17:27:16] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i dont see you in ##astronomy :( |
| [17:27:27] | thedarkone: | wow this is confusing |
| [17:27:29] | GreyFoxx: | didn't know the channel existed :) |
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| [17:28:29] | thedarkone: | on lirc site they have a simple one but what does 1n4148 mean? |
| [17:28:56] | clever: | j-rod: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info . . . ucts_id=8753 |
| [17:29:05] | clever: | this chip looks like it could have several uses in a mythtv setup |
| [17:29:24] | clever: | basicaly, you teach it 2 IR codes, and one of the pins will turn on when it detects the code |
| [17:29:36] | iamlindoro: | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http% . . . amp;ie=UTF-8 |
| [17:29:37] | clever: | could easily be used to power the myth box on from a remote |
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| [17:29:47] | j-rod: | possibly. but I'm more of a 'buy off-the-shelf shit that Just Works' kind of guy |
| [17:29:59] | iamlindoro: | neat little ION boxes |
| [17:30:10] | j-rod: | my frontend box already does that (power on from a button press on the remote) |
| [17:30:29] | clever: | j-rod: all it should need is +5v, an ir transistor, and probly a transistor or something to tie it to the 'power on' signal in the system |
| [17:30:54] | clever: | was that part of the motherboard, or a box you added? |
| [17:31:08] | j-rod: | antec veris premiere |
| [17:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Those looke nice. I love the care and spot for slimline dvdrom |
| [17:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | s/care/case |
| [17:31:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [17:31:29] | j-rod: | its a rebadged imon ultrabay |
| [17:31:46] | thedarkone: | okay well i am fully confused now |
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| [17:32:03] | j-rod: | sits inline with the power supply's main atx power cable, and has a jumper to the power pin headers on the mobo |
| [17:32:32] | davilla: | j-rod, package is on it's way for tomorrow delivery |
| [17:32:43] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: that looks suspiciously like the zotac board in there... |
| [17:32:44] | clever: | j-rod: was it part of the tower, or an addon? |
| [17:32:57] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: looks nice though |
| [17:32:58] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Probably :) |
| [17:33:03] | notlistening_: | any ideas have a hdhineryn running okay tunning in windows will pull channels on the backend but the frontend always get 0% signal and connot lock message |
| [17:33:06] | j-rod: | davilla: very cool, thanks mucho |
| [17:33:11] | clever: | looks like an addon |
| [17:33:12] | j-rod: | clever: its an add-on |
| [17:33:33] | clever: | so at a glance, its a 89$ ir receiver, that can do what that 9$ chip can do, also |
| [17:33:44] | clever: | with some fancy knobs and a display |
| [17:33:57] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone: Those are the product codes for the diodes/etc. |
| [17:34:13] | iamlindoro: | gives you the product name to go buy |
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| [17:34:26] | j-rod: | clever: yeah, um, LCD display, front panel buttons, and a remote too, not just the ability to power on the box... |
| [17:34:47] | clever: | j-rod: ah, so its got a little more extra stuff, that may justify the cost:) |
| [17:35:09] | j-rod: | I bought it quite some time ago so I had an imon device to work with while hacking on the driver |
| [17:35:26] | j-rod: | finally put it to use in this case w/my new zotac board: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/668b |
| [17:35:56] | clever: | it would be nice, but my frontend box is practicaly in a seperate room from the tv |
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| [17:37:31] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: the one w/what looks like a front panel vfd is particularly neato |
| [17:37:45] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Yeah, that's the nicer looking one to me too |
| [17:37:52] | clever: | j-rod: how much of the extra buttons work in linux?, and the lcd? |
| [17:37:54] | j-rod: | and it should already work |
| [17:38:00] | j-rod: | clever: all of them |
| [17:38:03] | clever: | nice |
| [17:38:29] | clever: | ahh, usb based |
| [17:38:33] | clever: | that makes it simpler:) |
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| [17:39:19] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: the remote is the imon mini remote, so presumably, its also a soundgraph vfd/lcd there, and should work with lirc_imon w/o a problem |
| [17:39:26] | GreyFoxx: | 'So while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual's computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies.' |
| [17:39:39] | GreyFoxx: | ugh .... man your laws really suck down there |
| [17:39:53] | j-rod: | yes indeed it does |
| [17:40:07] | GreyFoxx: | It's ok to do it, but noone can make a device or tool to do it ?wtf? |
| [17:40:09] | GreyFoxx: | Seriously? |
| [17:40:45] | juski: | oh ffs, not Frankie Boyle on You Have Been Watching again |
| [17:40:49] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: it's like in Canada where we can download music legally, but uploading is illegal |
| [17:41:01] | GreyFoxx: | now it's much worse |
| [17:41:24] | j-rod: | GreyFoxx: oh dear, this means dd is illegal... |
| [17:41:27] | GreyFoxx: | they are saying that you can rip your own cd's to mp3, BUTnoone can write a tool or create a device to do the ripping |
| [17:41:38] | GreyFoxx: | guesswhat, cat /dev/moo > file.iso is a tool |
| [17:41:43] | GreyFoxx: | j-rod: yeah |
| [17:41:48] | clever: | j-rod: last i checked, dd doesnt handle the decryption of the disks |
| [17:41:55] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: you can write the tool, but don't you dare distribute it |
| [17:42:10] | meshe: | or tell others how to recreate it |
| [17:42:16] | j-rod: | clever: open disc with a libdvdcss-aware app, then dd to your hearts content |
| [17:42:32] | clever: | j-rod: how can dd interface with libdvdcss? |
| [17:42:36] | j-rod: | (unless there's arcoss bad block bullshit in it, iirc) |
| [17:42:54] | j-rod: | it doesn't |
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| [17:43:01] | GreyFoxx: | since when idoes backup mean decryption ? |
| [17:43:26] | GreyFoxx: | If I copy , bit for bit, a dvd as an iso for backu ppurposes I am not decrypting anything |
| [17:43:31] | j-rod: | once something unlocks the drive w/the disc in it, its unlocked. period. |
| [17:43:44] | clever: | i thought that data used for the decryption is stored in some low level part of the disk, and a simply bit for bit copy wont work |
| [17:43:54] | juski: | I thought that's what the problem with Real's software was. It wasn't keeping the content encrypted |
| [17:43:58] | clever: | j-rod: so libdvdcss 'unlocks' the disk+drive and then any app can read it? |
| [17:44:14] | j-rod: | I believe so. |
| [17:44:29] | kormoc: | I thought real's software re-encrypted it so only the real app could play it back |
| [17:44:32] | meshe: | the files on the disc are encrypted, not the disc |
| [17:44:36] | clever: | that makes a little sense |
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| [17:44:52] | juski: | and no court has yet drawn a line between 'tools' and command lines ;-) |
| [17:44:57] | kormoc: | "Real's RealDVD software lets you rip DVDs to your PC hard drive--legally--and watch them on up to 4 other PCs" |
| [17:45:06] | kormoc: | yeah, it's a DRMed rip |
| [17:45:08] | kormoc: | not a clean rip |
| [17:45:48] | juski: | ah so they're not relying on the original encryption |
| [17:45:49] | j-rod: | its actually the dvd drive that needs some unlock key to permit access to all of the disc, and once libdvdcss has done that, yes, dd can copy everything |
| [17:46:09] | j-rod: | w/o doing that first, dd will usually stall |
| [17:46:17] | j-rod: | i/o error, and abort |
| [17:46:41] | j-rod: | (its been a while, this is all from vague recollections and a discussion on another list somewhere) |
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| [17:46:56] | kormoc: | j-rod, I've never had any issues dding without libdecss, and that's the way mythdvd rips in perfect quality mode |
| [17:47:45] | j-rod: | kormoc: so no libfoocss installed at all and it works? |
| [17:47:52] | j-rod: | that doesn't match my recollection... |
| [17:48:10] | j-rod: | you sure mythdvd isn't making a call to unlock the disc? |
| [17:48:34] | kormoc: | j-rod, Yeah, I know when I dd, I don't do any decss before at all |
| [17:48:38] | GreyFoxx: | I've done almost all of my dvd iso, though there are not that many, with just a cat /dev/moo > file.iso |
| [17:48:38] | kormoc: | and I'm fairly sure it doesn't |
| [17:48:47] | j-rod: | hrm. |
| [17:49:02] | GreyFoxx: | I might well have played a disc o fsome sort before or during but certainly not on each individual one |
| [17:49:09] | rza11: | there's ddrescue to get you past the discs that dd doesn't work on |
| [17:49:23] | juski: | maybe it's just discs with bad blocks you can't dd or cat to iso files directly |
| [17:49:47] | clever: | rza11: yeah ive used that to recover a winxp drive that was refusing to boot, and without even repairing the skiped blocks, it ran perfectly fine |
| [17:50:50] | j-rod: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Scramble_System |
| [17:51:02] | j-rod: | ddrescue is likely to yield an incomplete rip |
| [17:51:11] | rza11: | clever: yeah the DVDs I've backed up that have needed ddrescue have typically played fine. some are really hosed though |
| [17:51:43] | GreyFoxx: | It's amazing how much money and manpower goes into stopping someone from watching a dvd they bought |
| [17:51:48] | iamlindoro: | This is where a VM and AnyDVD HD is great |
| [17:51:53] | iamlindoro: | so I hear |
| [17:52:10] | j-rod: | meh. I give up. |
| [17:52:30] | j-rod: | I swear I've had dvds that wouldn't dd until *after* libdvdcss had done its thing, then they dd'd fine |
| [17:52:45] | clever: | ive never had any real problems with mplayer and dvd's |
| [17:52:45] | GreyFoxx: | fact is, taping music from the radio didn't kill the music industry, mp3's didn't kill the music industry, but letting me watch a dvd under linux will kill the movie industry :) |
| [17:52:51] | clever: | the only problems ive had is ripping said dvd:P |
| [17:53:12] | meshe: | that's only if they've put the bad byte "protection" in, the actual disc has very little to do with css |
| [17:53:31] | juski: | I've said it many times before, they should come down harder on the people who seed this stuff- y'know the folks *doing* *the* *distribution* |
| [17:53:37] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:53:54] | GreyFoxx: | letting me watch a blu-ray disk under linux would kill the movie industry and kittens |
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| [17:54:12] | juski: | they're not losing much in sales from Uncle Bub who lends a disc to his friend Bob |
| [17:54:14] | GreyFoxx: | It said so on a video they played at the start of a movie :( |
| [17:54:18] | mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers | |
| [17:54:40] | juski: | saw a great skit on those things a while back |
| [17:54:44] | clever: | GreyFoxx: just like you kill kittens every time i use a frame grabber? |
| [17:54:57] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [17:55:06] | clever: | my frame grabber still works |
| [17:55:15] | j-rod: | kittens are still dying |
| [17:55:16] | clever: | but the alsa drivers for the sound card crapped out one week |
| [17:55:20] | GreyFoxx: | and it's you telling the universe to kill kittens, not me specifically |
| [17:55:25] | clever: | so i havent been able to play or record on that box |
| [17:55:50] | clever: | i suspect that ubuntu uninstalled the kernel modules, and i'm using an old kernel file |
| [17:56:14] | juski: | no, this isn't it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGOn-H7s3Q |
| [17:56:19] | ** GreyFoxx should try a new distro for a change. It's been a while since I got under the hood of something other than slackware ** | |
| [17:57:41] | j-rod: | ubuntu seems to be particularly helpful with uninstalling your kernel modules you were using |
| [17:57:59] | clever: | j-rod: i probly upgraded the kernel and took out the old ones |
| [17:58:09] | clever: | j-rod: but ive got several copies of /boot laying arround |
| [17:58:27] | ** kormoc wishes ubuntu would just die ** | |
| [17:58:30] | j-rod: | +1 |
| [17:58:33] | juski: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg – on the button |
| [17:58:42] | jams: | agreed |
| [17:58:51] | clever: | kormoc: i'm converting to gentoo, but i hit a blocker, the pata drivers aint working at all |
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| [17:59:36] | clever: | stole the .config from a working gentoo but it still doesnt work! |
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| [18:00:51] | j-rod: | yeah, um, maybe you need to look at what's going wrong in the driver itself? gentoo users are all super-leet source code hackers, right? |
| [18:00:56] | ** j-rod feeling chippy... ** | |
| [18:01:09] | juski: | kormoc: if news of their privacy breach gets out to a wider audience maybe it will ;) |
| [18:01:15] | clever: | i know how they all work, but it just doesnt make sense why its not working in this case |
| [18:01:29] | clever: | and i just havent gotten arround to diving into the source to dysect what it does |
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| [18:03:06] | kormoc: | As a proud Gentoo user, the world needs less Gentoo users! |
| [18:03:12] | clever: | lol |
| [18:03:20] | clever: | i'm also working on a strange Xv problem |
| [18:03:27] | clever: | its using alot of cpu in memcpy |
| [18:03:35] | clever: | alot more then the X server from ubuntu |
| [18:03:40] | j-rod: | at least gentoo has a reasonable number of kernel folks who know what they're doing, unlike some other distros... |
| [18:04:02] | clever: | enough extra cpu to cripple any 264 decoding that the hardware normaly handles |
| [18:04:05] | kormoc: | I just think that unless you can do a gentoo install without documentation, you likely shouldn't be using gentoo... |
| [18:04:29] | clever: | kormoc: ive done LFS before, i know how all the blocks fit together |
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| [18:04:53] | jams: | more random comments |
| [18:04:54] | kormoc: | I'd disagree... You make wild assumptions on how it all fits together, that's not knowing |
| [18:05:11] | j-rod: | I've built my son's trike using detailed instructions, so I can build my own mountain bike |
| [18:05:18] | clever: | ask a question you think i wont know |
| [18:05:24] | clever: | about how linux works |
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| [18:06:03] | kormoc: | it's not a valid challenge given you can google or ask others for help |
| [18:06:18] | clever: | i wont use google or ask others |
| [18:06:20] | kormoc: | the day to day interactions with you have proven otherwise countless times anyway |
| [18:06:22] | clever: | i'll go by memory:P |
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| [18:11:14] | juski: | messin wit da cutie painter, aaaaaaaaaaahh right |
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| [18:12:12] | iamlindoro: | juski: Is that to say that the GL one is now working nicely? |
| [18:13:03] | juski: | AFAIK it is. Didn't test it to within an inch of its life but things appear to be in the right place & acting proper |
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| [18:13:31] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [18:13:51] | iamlindoro: | So sounds like you're on the hook for "coverflow style" matrix transforms, then? :) |
| [18:14:10] | juski: | shouldn't be hard to add perspective stuff |
| [18:14:25] | juski: | reflections on surfaces might be pushing things |
| [18:14:51] | juski: | but then again, having buzzed a couple of tutorials it doesn't look like rocket science |
| [18:15:28] | kormoc: | buzzed them in your rocket? |
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| [18:19:05] | linxeh: | do these AMD motherboards with integrated geforce 8200 graphics perform ok in hybrid backend/frontend systems for HD playback? |
| [18:19:37] | kormoc: | I'd shoot for a 9300+ mobo |
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| [18:21:59] | wagnerrp: | the 9000 mobos are intel only |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | the 8000 mobos are amd only |
| [18:22:24] | kormoc: | then (as I always do anyway), I'd go with a intel 9300+ |
| [18:22:26] | wagnerrp: | ...and theres not a big different in performance between the two, theyre both incapable of the higher end deinterlacers at high resolutions |
| [18:23:08] | kormoc: | you sure about that? which deinterlacers dont' work? |
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| [18:23:31] | wagnerrp: | advanced 2x is the only one that doesnt work at 720p on my 8200 |
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| [18:23:43] | kormoc: | erm wait |
| [18:23:52] | kormoc: | why would you deinterlace non-interlaced content? |
| [18:24:00] | kormoc: | (p is non-interlaced) |
| [18:24:08] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I was just thinking that |
| [18:24:14] | wagnerrp: | well its 1080i content, played back at 720p |
| [18:24:24] | wagnerrp: | i guess the '720p' part is irrelevent |
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| [18:24:47] | kormoc: | I'll have to give advanced 2x a go tonight |
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| [18:25:12] | linxeh: | I want to put together something quiet as cheaply as possible that will cope with HD playback (I have a 1080p display), so am I better off with a non-integrated graphics motherboard and separate display card ? |
| [18:25:33] | linxeh: | or is the integrated solution best? |
| [18:26:17] | kormoc: | linxeh, personally I just got a mac mini and called it good, works great for me |
| [18:26:34] | linxeh: | for a combined backend and front end ? |
| [18:26:38] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [18:26:44] | metalfan__: | ive tried browser/listing/generell as view for my media library. none of them displays folders. is there a way to see the folders? |
| [18:26:51] | kormoc: | HDPVR capture device, usb storage for recordings |
| [18:27:06] | linxeh: | I've got a mac mini (a gma950 though) but it doesnt blend in very well with the rest of the AV kit and the piano |
| [18:27:39] | kormoc: | yeah, mine is the new one, so 9300m |
| [18:28:04] | linxeh: | and I was hoping to spend less than that (I've already got tv cards, hard drives etc) |
| [18:29:23] | juski: | eew eew eew eew. Won't be doing any rotation in the qt painter natively. EEW |
| [18:29:58] | juski: | it's fast enough but gawd it's uglee |
| [18:30:05] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so there's an official monkey island app for the iphone/ipod, as well as flight of the amazon! |
| [18:31:38] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Heh, cool-- are they using scummvm? |
| [18:31:49] | kormoc: | nope! Native! |
| [18:31:53] | iamlindoro: | ooh |
| [18:31:56] | linxeh: | and are there any particular concerns with processors? eg is a E2220 or something adequate, or should I be looking at as fast as possible? |
| [18:32:02] | juski: | mmkay then, remove the rotation voodoo from mythpainter_qt & stick to doing it in mythimage. meh |
| [18:32:18] | juski: | ah, it's so smooth :) |
| [18:32:37] | sid3windr: | I have that in y frontend, linxeh |
| [18:32:43] | sid3windr: | (for sd) |
| [18:32:51] | sid3windr: | definitely fast enough.. |
| [18:33:00] | linxeh: | sid3windr: well, for a combined front and backend ? |
| [18:33:06] | sid3windr: | no |
| [18:33:08] | juski: | gbee: intervals of 90 degrees looked fine doing it in the painter directly, but anything inbetween was absolutely gash. I said I'd give it a go, I did and it sucked :) |
| [18:33:11] | sid3windr: | frontend only |
| [18:33:14] | sid3windr: | but frontend needs the power |
| [18:33:19] | sid3windr: | (unless you're doing framegrabber) |
| [18:33:25] | sid3windr: | my backend only has to dump mpeg streams to disk |
| [18:33:27] | linxeh: | isnt it the backend that does the advert removals etc ? |
| [18:33:30] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [18:33:35] | sid3windr: | yea, true |
| [18:33:42] | sid3windr: | but I do those after recording |
| [18:33:47] | sid3windr: | don't really mind how long it takes |
| [18:33:51] | sid3windr: | my backend is an E4400 |
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| [18:34:41] | juski: | rotation in the qt painter, via mythimage -> http://imagebin.ca/img/MO1r4rlo.png |
| [18:34:57] | juski: | not quite there yet :) |
| [18:36:46] | tmkt-work: | so anxious for 22 |
| [18:36:56] | linxeh: | ok hmm |
| [18:37:20] | juski: | can't get away with painting the image onto a rotated canvas & then using Assign() to make that the new image, because the painter's built-in translation sucks so hard.. so gonna have to wrap something around the current mythimage Rotate() to adjust the position to take the rotate into account |
| [18:37:35] | juski: | m-e-s-s-y |
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| [18:38:39] | juski: | gbee: or, since it'll never be animated, just leave it as is :P |
| [18:42:52] | juski: | iamlindoro: anyway, the gl painter rotate I've got on my machine here is pretty much exactly what was in the pastebin I pointed you at last night – apart from here I've removed some unused variables |
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| [18:46:48] | iamlindoro: | juski: Nice job! I know it's been an uphill battle |
| [18:47:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm tilting at windmills a bit myself right now-- "Allow MythVideo to browse by anything/everything" |
| [18:47:53] | juski: | still a bug or two to work out. gbee hinted at what needs to be done but I was half asleep |
| [18:48:31] | juski: | just having a peek at the VDPAU painter code now. looks very GL-ish |
| [18:48:36] | iamlindoro: | Have to get this one done before they take the keys away from me ;) |
| [18:48:36] | juski: | not surprisingly |
| [18:48:41] | juski: | lol |
| [18:49:48] | meshe: | iamlindoro: and why would they do that? |
| [18:50:05] | iamlindoro: | touching too much all at once, I guess? |
| [18:50:38] | meshe: | only if you broke too many things at once :) |
| [18:50:45] | sid3windr: | what? you have to keep the reputation of open source high! |
| [18:50:49] | sid3windr: | slow dev, lotsa boogs! |
| [18:50:53] | iamlindoro: | Some would say my work is defective by design ;) |
| [18:51:02] | sid3windr: | and many security issues which do get fixed fast when they are discovered |
| [18:51:03] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [18:51:15] | iamlindoro: | A tiny bit more work and I can get Mythvideo's bugs down to single digits... then I'll really be in trouble :) |
| [18:51:22] | meshe: | hehe |
| [18:51:25] | jblack_: | iamlindoro: inserting a virus to skim parts of a penny on the day you get fired? Planning on taking the stapler on your way out? |
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| [18:51:41] | meshe: | did your season/ep patch get commited? |
| [18:51:45] | iamlindoro: | jblack_: That's what they get for moving my desk to the basement |
| [18:51:50] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Yeah, a few weeks ago |
| [18:51:55] | meshe: | nice |
| [18:51:57] | iamlindoro: | well, maybe just a week |
| [18:51:57] | jblack_: | Go talk to payroll about it. |
| [18:52:35] | meshe: | but i used to sit by the window... |
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| [18:54:54] | juski: | I think I'll try my best to get this mythimage rotate ironed out by the weekend, then launch into my analogue clock widget next :) |
| [18:55:40] | juski: | then maybe tackle porting some more mythimage effects to the gl painter |
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| [18:56:39] | juski: | who knows, by then I might just be up to that variable width button stuff |
| [18:57:31] | juski: | (since nobody else has come up with the goods yet) |
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| [19:14:00] | iamlindoro: | Well god help us all, Mythvideo browse-by-any-and-everything compiles |
| [19:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | browse by video bitrate |
| [19:14:45] | GreyFoxx: | browse by average image colour |
| [19:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | browse by nudity |
| [19:15:04] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm new features |
| [19:15:48] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [19:16:00] | iamlindoro: | well techinically if you give it Genre "Nudity" that could work |
| [19:16:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm not saying it'll *work* yet, but if it doesn't, it should be pretty darn close |
| [19:16:38] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [19:18:05] | iamlindoro: | We'll see which of these new features gets me shot ;) |
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| [19:18:55] | meshe: | who do you think is behind the sniper rifle? |
| [19:19:26] | ** kormoc eyes the grassy knoll ** | |
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| [19:19:39] | iamlindoro: | could be anyone |
| [19:20:32] | kormoc: | I think it was lee harvey oswald |
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| [19:27:27] | Dibblah: | Hmmmm. Robertm. Wonder who that could be? ;) ;) |
| [19:27:45] | Dibblah: | Congrats, BTW. |
| [19:27:51] | iamlindoro: | Heh, thanks |
| [19:28:30] | iamlindoro: | Actually found myself reading the feature request page, god help me |
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| [19:31:40] | Dibblah: | It's... Interesting. |
| [19:32:01] | iamlindoro: | There's a couple in there worth doing (and within my limited capabilities) |
| [19:32:05] | iamlindoro: | but mostly... yeah :) |
| [19:32:17] | Dibblah: | Personally, my one feature request would be that ANY committed patch which adds a setting must remove at least two others. |
| [19:32:40] | iamlindoro: | haha, that would be awesome |
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| [19:34:41] | Dibblah: | Hmm. I thought there was a font family replacement of core fonts? |
| [19:34:45] | juski: | Dibblah: btw seen these? http://www.omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/Embedde . . . p-16140.html |
| [19:35:03] | Dibblah: | Yeah. I have one. From ebuyer. For £13. |
| [19:35:10] | juski: | nah msttcorefonts will be hard to replace. OSS font kerning generally sucks |
| [19:35:20] | Dibblah: | Oh, right – That thing. |
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| [19:35:44] | Dibblah: | Not too interested. Too slow, too high power consumption, don't need the embedded switch. |
| [19:35:53] | juski: | ah |
| [19:36:18] | Dibblah: | beagleboard, mini2440, ... are interesting. |
| [19:37:02] | juski: | interesting that folks are starting to hack those lcd picture frames though, I think. one with a touchscreen could make a nice wall-mounted controller |
| [19:37:42] | sid3windr: | would be nice if the samsung U70 had touch, yeah |
| [19:37:45] | Dibblah: | Yes. It's fairly limited, though – only 6 or so GPIOs. |
| [19:37:54] | gbee: | today's word, brought to you by Sesame Street, is "interesting" |
| [19:38:10] | juski: | bought a 7.1 USB soundcard from ebuyer. was handed it today. I've already hacked the line input off into an extra stereo output :D |
| [19:38:20] | juski: | ebuyer? dealextreme I meant |
| [19:38:37] | Dibblah: | dx is useful. And... |
| [19:38:40] | Dibblah: | Interesting. |
| [19:39:06] | juski: | 4 stereo pairs, spdif in & out, all in one little USB attached box :) |
| [19:40:45] | Dibblah: | USB1.1, ISTR. |
| [19:40:49] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm... Think I might be able to browse by cast, that could be neat |
| [19:41:05] | Dibblah: | Which means that you can't use too high a samplerate. |
| [19:41:07] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: hey, mythui theme-related question for you... |
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| [19:41:39] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: sure |
| [19:41:42] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: is there any impact on memory usage from a fully mythui'd theme vs. a non-mythui'd one? |
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| [19:42:11] | j-rod: | i.e., historically, high-detail high-def widescreen themes suck up a LOT of RAM |
| [19:42:15] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Not as a result of mythui itself, though memory use goes up when using lots of fanart/etc. |
| [19:42:38] | iamlindoro: | Graphite itself can be quite tiny in RAM, but add in all the metadata and it can eat a boatload |
| [19:42:56] | j-rod: | ok, so mythui vs. non-mythui really has no bearing |
| [19:42:59] | juski: | Dibblah: 48khz is fine by me |
| [19:43:03] | gbee: | and on balance a mythui theme might use a little more memory since it maintains an in-memory cache of recently used images |
| [19:43:10] | gbee: | although that is configurable |
| [19:43:14] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: yeah, at least as far as I can tell-- the themer can eat it all up, though |
| [19:43:24] | iamlindoro: | ^^ gbee is surely the expert though |
| [19:43:31] | GreyFoxx: | one thing I noticed is that startup using graphite as my theme is noticably faster thanusing mythcenter-wide |
| [19:43:40] | iamlindoro: | no watermarks |
| [19:43:45] | GreyFoxx: | so I'm assuming it's related to the watermarks |
| [19:43:46] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [19:43:53] | j-rod: | GreyFoxx: yeah, that's part of why I was asking, it seemed to spin up a lot faster than others |
| [19:44:08] | juski: | gbee: been looking & can't find this – what was it you said the other day about not copying the rotated thingy to stop confusing people who switch between painters? |
| [19:44:11] | GreyFoxx: | of course we load all watermarks at startup rather than as needed |
| [19:44:14] | gbee: | there isn't much we can do about the memory problem, themes need images and images consume memory like nothing else, but if anyone has a real solution I'd love to hear it |
| [19:44:48] | j-rod: | heh, nah, I was hoping that mythui actually *was* the solution :) |
| [19:44:50] | juski: | gbee: use opengl exclusively & put all the textures we can into GPU RAM |
| [19:44:58] | juski: | muhahahaha |
| [19:45:10] | gbee: | juski: we don't want to include the rotated attribute in GenImageLabel when the rotation isn't being saved to the cache (because it's done in the painter at draw time) |
| [19:45:17] | Dibblah: | If you're using default ALSA settings, 7.1 will not work at 44.1, even. |
| [19:45:17] | j-rod: | actually, that's kinda what I was thinking maybe mythui partially did |
| [19:45:48] | juski: | gbee: ah, in genimagelabel. heh. the lengths I went to to put it there, too. meh |
| [19:45:50] | ** iamlindoro is all for dropping stupid legacy painters ** | |
| [19:45:58] | iamlindoro: | and legacy$everything, for that matter |
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| [19:46:04] | juski: | gbee: so not doing that will stop it caching the rotated image? |
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| [19:47:19] | janneg: | load on demand and drop unsused images from the cache |
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| [19:47:46] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: That wouldn't be a good idea at this time, with GL painter / ... not working properly on Intel cards. |
| [19:47:52] | gbee: | juski: no, it will still cache the rotated image when using QT, but lets say it disk caches the image when you use the QT painter and then you switched to the GL painter, it will now load an already rotated image and rotate it again at draw time |
| [19:48:10] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Really? Sucks. |
| [19:48:38] | juski: | Dibblah: seems fine here. thought it was just the gl video wot was scrot on intel |
| [19:48:53] | Dibblah: | Yeah. Applying an alpha image ontop of anything appears to make the whole window 8-bit-color :( |
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| [19:49:16] | Dibblah: | _could_ be a configuration issue. |
| [19:49:47] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: BTW, users can't reopen tickets in Trac. |
| [19:49:59] | juski: | Dibblah: plenty of alpha going on in Terra2 (my local hacked copy of Terra) & it seems fine |
| [19:50:16] | gbee: | janneg: yeah, load on demand and dropping unused images would reduce overall memory consumption, and we're already doing it in places, but it's not by accident that the cache keeps unused images around – it speeds things up significantly and we keep a lid on it, current default is no more than 20Mb of images in the cache |
| [19:50:19] | juski: | think my chipset is 95-something on my laptop |
| [19:50:21] | Dibblah: | Easiest to just ask them to comment on the ticket and reopen it. |
| [19:50:24] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Heh... all of my trac-fu has come from observing, and so I assumed they could based on what I'd read in the past-- thanks |
| [19:50:30] | Dibblah: | juski: Interesting. |
| [19:50:46] | gbee: | the cache actually saves memory with some themes, since it prevents us ever loading the same identical image twice |
| [19:51:01] | juski: | right. back t'code. wanna wrap this up ASAP |
| [19:52:20] | juski: | after taking out the GenImageLabel thing, maybe just the positioning to sort out then it's done save some cleaning up |
| [19:52:34] | gbee: | there are places where serious optimisations can be done to get memory usage down and speed things up |
| [19:54:21] | juski: | right. need to test this def. ain't caching anything. set the angle to 45' |
| [19:55:01] | Dibblah: | Huh....? "I used Google and my brain, and traced the problem to"... |
| [19:55:10] | Dibblah: | That's not supposed to happen in Trac... |
| [19:55:20] | kormoc: | link? |
| [19:55:49] | juski: | sod. it's caching |
| [19:55:52] | ** gbee faints ** | |
| [19:55:56] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6833 |
| [19:56:04] | Dibblah: | Doesn't look right to me, though :( |
| [19:56:10] | gbee: | juski: yeah, it will _always_ cache the image, I think you've misunderstood what I was saying |
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| [19:56:36] | urlgrey: | how can I determine whether a channel being tuned over firewire uses 5c encryption? |
| [19:56:44] | urlgrey: | aside from it not working? |
| [19:56:58] | GreyFoxx: | that is the symptom |
| [19:57:19] | GreyFoxx: | manually you can check in some stb's |
| [19:57:22] | gbee: | you cannot stop it caching, you want it to cache, you just don't want it caching it with "rotate" in the filename if using the GL painter .e.g if (painter != opengl) label.append("#rotate"); |
| [19:57:24] | GreyFoxx: | but nothing myth can auto detect |
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| [19:57:41] | gbee: | note the != |
| [19:57:46] | juski: | ah |
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| [19:58:29] | juski: | gbee: I've currently got it not rotating if supportsanimation |
| [19:59:00] | gbee: | in GenImageLabel? |
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| [19:59:28] | juski: | no |
| [20:00:24] | juski: | I had if (m_isRotated) sAttrib += "rotated"; |
| [20:01:02] | gbee: | right, just change that to "if (!supportsanimation && m_isRotated) ..." |
| [20:01:24] | gbee: | where supportsanimation is the proper bool, I don't have the code open in front of me |
| [20:02:47] | juski: | GetMythPainter()->SupportsAnimation() ;-) |
| [20:03:18] | juski: | assuming that SupportsAnimation != qt painter |
| [20:03:29] | juski: | which is right, I think |
| [20:03:46] | iamlindoro: | doesn't it? |
| [20:03:52] | iamlindoro: | flipbook, at least |
| [20:03:59] | gbee: | yeah, only the GL and maybe the vdpau painters support hardware accelerated animation |
| [20:04:06] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [20:04:06] | gbee: | which is what we mean there |
| [20:04:43] | juski: | yay I switched painters & see only 45 degree rotated images :) |
| [20:05:28] | iamlindoro: | Really need to get nx set up at home, not being able to check whether my code works at work is a drag |
| [20:05:29] | gbee: | juski: in Load() you also need to set 'rotated' too, see the lines in there where it does "if (m_isReflected) image->setIsReflected(true);" |
| [20:05:31] | juski: | not sure I even need m_isRotated, I thought I could just use m_rotate – which is the angle |
| [20:05:44] | juski: | gbee: already done I think |
| [20:05:57] | gbee: | juski: ok, that's good |
| [20:06:23] | juski: | yeah, done that already. figured I needed to copy what'd been done for the other mythimage based fx ;) |
| [20:06:25] | gbee: | otherwise we load an image featuring rotation from the cache but the code doesn't know it's been rotated yet, so it gets rotated again |
| [20:06:58] | juski: | right then, I'll see if I can't fix this positioning snafu and then you can have the patch :D |
| [20:07:00] | gbee: | you have to say "this image has had effect X applied already" :) |
| [20:07:26] | gbee: | juski: ain't going to be pretty, it will conflict nicely with my threading patch |
| [20:07:33] | juski: | heh |
| [20:07:42] | juski: | you breaking my coding? wahhhh! ;-) |
| [20:08:58] | juski: | there's no rush on this really, but I'd like to get that new clock widget under my belt soon |
| [20:09:51] | juski: | thought about adding a type to the existing mythuiclock but it's so different it may aswell be something new unless you have any objections |
| [20:13:12] | abqjp: | Wow. I go away for a week, and look what happens! |
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| [20:13:55] | abqjp: | Anyone figured out how much it takes to bribe iamlindoro into committing patches? |
| [20:14:40] | Dibblah: | Easy. A patch to remove 5 settings should do it ;) ;) |
| [20:14:57] | Dibblah: | (and not lose functionality) |
| [20:15:09] | abqjp: | Choice is good, right? ;-) |
| [20:15:40] | abqjp: | Too much choice is bad? |
| [20:15:54] | abqjp: | Balance is good? |
| [20:16:14] | juski: | abqjp: you seen the 'master of the known universe' settings options in Xine? |
| [20:16:15] | meshe: | too much clutter is bad |
| [20:16:17] | juski: | :-O |
| [20:16:40] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [20:17:36] | juski: | clutter is bad. I mean, just look at clutter |
| [20:17:42] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: I'll commit anything you like, so long as it fits within what I'm allowed to commit to :) |
| [20:17:50] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: So just keep those theme and mythvideo patches coming ;) |
| [20:18:02] | abqjp: | juski, I haven't. Myth does have a LOT of options. |
| [20:18:20] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, Heh. So, I should start working on that variable sized button patch then? |
| [20:18:23] | juski: | abqjp: I suggest you take a look. More can sometimes be too much |
| [20:18:34] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Well lord knows SOMEONE should ;) |
| [20:18:43] | juski: | abqjp: if you pull that off, even I'll thank you for it |
| [20:18:45] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I have my home vpn into my desktop at work, from there I just fireup x11vnc as needed |
| [20:18:48] | GreyFoxx: | very handy |
| [20:18:49] | abqjp: | juski, I am a BIG proponent of "balance". |
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| [20:19:50] | juski: | if m_dayOfWeek = 5 && m_VidRes > 640x480 { foo } else if m_dayOfWeek = 6 && ... :-P |
| [20:20:31] | abqjp: | juski, I may take a look. My knowledge of mythui is very poor. The concept does not seem that hard, but maybe the way I would do it, does not fit the mythui structure. |
| [20:20:38] | GreyFoxx: | I'm actually planning on putting a FE in my daughters room and will put SOMETHING in to disallow mfe useable between 8pm and 7am unless I specifically setup a exception :) |
| [20:21:02] | GreyFoxx: | though that will likely be some bitchy crontjob that kills mythfe during those hours :) |
| [20:21:09] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: nice |
| [20:21:49] | GreyFoxx: | And for exceptions I'd just create a blank file in /tmp ... if it exists let the fe keep running, otherwise kill it |
| [20:21:50] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Could have a mythUI Popup show up after x hour w/ a PIN, and when the pin is correct, another popup w/ a spinbox for "unlock for x minutes" |
| [20:22:00] | meshe: | 0 20 * * * root mv mythfrontend mythfrontend.bak && killall mythfrontend |
| [20:22:05] | juski: | abqjp: between ourselves, anykey_ & I got the textarea resized, and what needs to happen is changing the size of the parent area(s) to match. That's 'all' that needs to be done aside from rejigging the button positioning & visible items calculation |
| [20:22:10] | GreyFoxx: | and the "startup" cron can clean up the exception so it's a 1 night only |
| [20:23:19] | iamlindoro: | This is either going to work great or be full of segfaulty goodness... |
| [20:24:42] | juski: | abqjp: the latter bit I can work out. shouldn't be too hard – but may turn into a chicken & egg scenario :P |
| [20:26:00] | juski: | what beat me was changing the size of the parent area(s) |
| [20:26:29] | juski: | it might bork centreing somewhat too, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it |
| [20:26:35] | abqjp: | juski, Like I said, I don't know the structure of mythui. However, it seems to me that the parent should be able to ask the child how big it wants to be, and that would propagate all the way back up. |
| [20:27:18] | juski: | abqjp: in a buttonlist that'll be harder than it sounds I think |
| [20:27:42] | abqjp: | For variable *vertical* sizing, a min and max would probably be necessary... |
| [20:27:54] | juski: | easy peasy |
| [20:28:16] | juski: | for horizontal sizing a min & max would be good too ;) |
| [20:29:15] | iamlindoro: | Ooooh |
| [20:29:25] | iamlindoro: | When I get this working, it's going to be ridiculously sexy for TV stuff |
| [20:29:47] | gbee: | it's not really that hard, you just have to see it |
| [20:29:48] | iamlindoro: | Television->Showname->Season #->Episode # – Subtitle |
| [20:30:12] | juski: | gbee: I've no doubt I just missed something simple |
| [20:31:00] | juski: | that's always the way when I do something. forget the fundament ;) |
| [20:31:09] | gbee: | juski: it's too easy to become focused on the wrong approach, or the wrong assumptions |
| [20:31:13] | meshe: | does the child object have a pointer/reference to the parent? |
| [20:31:36] | gbee: | meshe: aye, two way parent can see the child, child can see the parent |
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| [20:32:01] | meshe: | ahh, that should make it pretty straightforward then |
| [20:32:24] | gbee: | I would have done this ages ago if I didn't have some more urgent jobs to deal with first |
| [20:34:19] | gbee: | still do, we're now talking about a feature freeze within two weeks and I've got to write a whole new schedule editor, add a multiline mode to the textedit and background the icon downloading in the icon selection screen |
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| [20:35:54] | gbee: | either I find a bucketful of motivation or 0.22 is going to be released with at least one broken/incomplete feature |
| [20:37:08] | abqjp: | I usually keep up with the state of trunk, but I have been gone for a while. I run trunk in production. Looks like my last update was almost a month ago. Is current trunk less stable than it was a month ago? In other words, is it safe to update right now? |
| [20:37:27] | iamlindoro: | fairly stable for me right now |
| [20:37:35] | abqjp: | cool. thanks. |
| [20:37:40] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:37:51] | meshe: | there's a development sprint going on right now, so you may find new broken things |
| [20:37:58] | iamlindoro: | Much of what was broke is still broke, but no real new major brokenness AFAICT |
| [20:38:16] | iamlindoro: | though there sure are some somewhere |
| [20:38:53] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, looks like some nice improvements to Graphite, based on the mailing list. |
| [20:39:02] | gbee: | lest I forget all the unfinished stuff in Terra |
| [20:39:09] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Dunno when the last time was you saw it :) |
| [20:39:23] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: But yeah, people seem to like having the title/subtitle overlays in the PBB |
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| [20:41:40] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, I honestly don't use it day to day because I must have http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6318 to keep my sanity. I looked at tweaking graphite a while back, to make room for the horizontal recGroup list, but could not see a nice place to squeeze it in. |
| [20:41:53] | iamlindoro: | ah |
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| [20:43:31] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, I will grab the themes from svn and take another look at it. |
| [20:43:45] | juski: | feature freeze in 2 weeks? seriously? wish I'd started this messing about sooner |
| [20:43:57] | juski: | had no idea |
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| [20:45:50] | gbee: | well first proposal was 5 days from now and it might still win favour, nothing is decided yet |
| [20:46:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | no favor from me. I actually have time this month to work on things and don't want to be stuck doing only bugfixes. :) |
| [20:47:02] | juski: | nuh! instead of setting the textarea size in mythuitext, set textarea->parent size? Buggeration |
| [20:47:45] | gbee: | 0.22 isn't going to be the release I hoped it would be, but maybe I've just been using trunk for so long that I've lost perspective |
| [20:48:28] | juski: | there are plenty of enhancements & improvements but maybe not everyone will see it that way since it's been so long since 0.21 was released |
| [20:49:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | biggest user complaint prediction: "why doesn't it look the same it used to look like!" |
| [20:49:37] | meshe: | progress |
| [20:49:39] | gbee: | I wanted a shorter space between 0.22 and 0.21, instead of the ridiculous 0.20 > 0.21 gap, but now here we are 18months after 0.21 and I'm begging for more time |
| [20:49:40] | iamlindoro: | Have a *lot* of work I would like to do on MythVideo Storage Groups, no way I can get anywehre near done in 5 days |
| [20:49:41] | juski: | given the amount of people who commit their time to the project I don't think it'd be fair to say anything negative about it |
| [20:49:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | kinda like the livetv rewrite |
| [20:49:45] | iamlindoro: | not without a pantload of help |
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| [20:50:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | 0.22 by end of Q3, .23 by end of Q4. :) |
| [20:50:21] | iamlindoro: | not to mention we really need to kill the cache bug in mythvideo |
| [20:50:37] | juski: | 5 days vs 14.. what's another 9 days' wait? |
| [20:50:49] | juski: | ;) |
| [20:51:58] | gbee: | Captain_Murdoch: you might be joking, but yeah, I'd like to see 0.23 as a polishing release which finishes porting things to mythui and has everything tightened up and nailed down |
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| [20:52:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | gbee, not really joking. |
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| [20:52:32] | juski: | so .24 by the end of Q1 2010? |
| [20:53:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm sure there will be bugs that are ironed out after 0.22, so a 'quick' 0.23 to fix/polish sounds good. .22 is a major overhaul |
| [20:53:34] | gbee: | 0.23 by end of year would be fantastic |
| [20:53:55] | gbee: | mid feb at the latest |
| [20:54:00] | juski: | gives me a date to aim for completing 'concept' :) |
| [20:54:12] | juski: | oops did I just say that? ahem |
| [20:54:12] | jams: | not that my vote matters but missing the 5 days from now mark is ok by me. |
| [20:55:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, just because we're 'late' doesn't mean we need to rush. |
| [20:55:29] | jams: | lets face it the odds of having a quick .23 are not high. |
| [20:55:50] | jams: | intent may be there, but i could see .23 being pushed out as well |
| [20:55:53] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... is it worth having a browse by year in mythvideo? |
| [20:55:59] | juski: | actually I think I'd rather stick to helping improve mythui than do theming |
| [20:56:30] | juski: | & see what else I can turn my ham-fisted hands to |
| [20:56:31] | jams: | iamlindoro- i could see it being useful for some |
| [20:56:50] | juski: | iamlindoro: why not, so long as the filter list fits on one screen :P |
| [20:56:51] | iamlindoro: | jams: K, in that one goes then |
| [20:57:25] | iamlindoro: | juski: Heh, well it'll be in the popup menu so there'll be some scrolling down if I get all the browse types in that I want |
| [20:57:32] | juski: | iamlindoro: browse by m_kitchenSink ? ;-) |
| [20:57:42] | meshe: | browse by decade |
| [20:57:47] | abqjp: | Ah, it is themes, not myththemes. I was wondering where Graphite was. |
| [20:57:50] | iamlindoro: | Category, Genre, Year, TelevisionOnly, Television/Movies, Actors, etc. |
| [20:58:29] | juski: | we've got oodles of metadata, we live by it.. may aswell use it :) |
| [21:01:06] | gbee: | juski, iamlindoro: guys it would definately help out if you could identify those screens which maybe lack optional widgets that other have, or places where "hidden" keybindings could be moved to a popup MENU, all that consistency stuff that IMHO would improve things immensely and are pretty easy to do |
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| [21:01:26] | gbee: | also any uses of old popups that could be replaced with mythui versions |
| [21:01:34] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Sure, I'll start keeping a list |
| [21:01:43] | iamlindoro: | have a mythvideo ticket that matches the popup request |
| [21:02:17] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3711 |
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| [21:03:00] | iamlindoro: | DVD bookmark menu-- the patch itself is sound but I said it needed to get MythUI'd-- if you MythUI it you might as well move the code so that we can use it for MythVideo material too |
| [21:03:57] | gbee: | thanks |
| [21:04:20] | iamlindoro: | np, thank you! |
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| [21:05:25] | juski: | gbee: aye, when I'm done with this rotate I'll go a-rambling |
| [21:06:08] | iamlindoro: | Year browse added... |
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| [21:06:17] | iamlindoro: | hee hee, if this works, adding browse types is going to be *easy* |
| [21:06:57] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... browse by rating? |
| [21:07:24] | gbee: | iamlindoro: certification or rating? |
| [21:07:43] | iamlindoro: | Well, was thinking user rating, but both have some value IMO |
| [21:08:12] | gbee: | always thought filters/browing by a user rating was largely pointless since who wastes disk space on stuff they don't actually like? |
| [21:08:43] | iamlindoro: | some people love the stinkers |
| [21:09:03] | iamlindoro: | I just figure if I skip any conceivable browse type, someone will ask for it, and it doesn't hurt to have it |
| [21:09:24] | gbee: | in mythmusic we can rate from 0 to 10, but if I rate something under 5 then I'll usually delete it |
| [21:09:39] | iamlindoro: | Currently the userrating isn't actually user set anyway :) |
| [21:09:47] | gbee: | iamlindoro: if adding it doesn't amount to too much work and won't cause clutter, then go for it |
| [21:10:20] | iamlindoro: | gbee: yeah, practically no effort at all and it'll all be in a sub-popup |
| [21:10:30] | abqjp: | Re: Graphite. The Title/Sub-title are helpful. It would be cool if it only showed the Title when in "All Programs" or "Watch List" category, since it is redundant otherwise. That would require a programming change to PBB, though. |
| [21:12:06] | gbee: | sorry about the ticket spam, trac won't let you reassign a ticket which is in the infoneeded state |
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| [21:12:31] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: Yeah, that's something where the conditional stuff gbee has in mind would be helpful-- not currently possible |
| [21:12:34] | iamlindoro: | but I agree |
| [21:13:10] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Two doesn't seem too spammy :) |
| [21:13:30] | gbee: | iamlindoro: depending on how you've laid it out, the titlesubtitle one doesn't include the subtitle under those conditions iirc |
| [21:13:40] | gbee: | but I could be wrong on that |
| [21:14:07] | gbee: | and it was three changes to the same ticket, very nearly four but I decided not to return it to the infoneeded state |
| [21:14:11] | iamlindoro: | I need them to be two discrete text areas, not enough space for titlesubtitle :( |
| [21:15:22] | gbee: | yeah, that's fine |
| [21:15:44] | gbee: | it's not really the proper solution that the 'depends' stuff would allow |
| [21:15:56] | abqjp: | conditional stuff? Should be a easy change to the PBB code, to add another "variable" for the theme to use, which is empty if not the "All" or "Watch List" groups. Or am I over simplifying it? |
| [21:15:59] | gbee: | damn, that's the other thing I was going to work on |
| [21:16:20] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: That would work, albeit a bit hacky, no? |
| [21:16:26] | abqjp: | yes |
| [21:16:27] | iamlindoro: | Director sort! |
| [21:16:35] | gbee: | abqjp: start down that road and you'll double/treble the variables for all the possible scenarios |
| [21:16:42] | abqjp: | true |
| [21:17:27] | abqjp: | but, easy ;-) |
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| [21:19:43] | gbee: | so many things have been done the easy way, that's why we've a thousand settings instead of code to auto-detect or just do the Right Thingâ„¢ |
| [21:20:25] | gbee: | but I know what you are saying and I'm not really in a position to cast any stones :) |
| [21:21:08] | abqjp: | Hmmm, Not enough free space on my drive for xfs_fsr to defragment. |
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| [21:21:47] | abqjp: | I decided to wait a month for the Western Digital RE4-GP to come down in price. While I was gone the price changed, but in the wrong direction. |
| [21:23:38] | abqjp: | Anyone used "Bing cashback"? |
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| [21:25:54] | iamlindoro: | Same as the old "MSN cashback," right? |
| [21:26:04] | iamlindoro: | My GF used it, was as advertised |
| [21:26:31] | abqjp: | I guess. Zipzoomfly raised the price of the drive $15, but is now offering 20% back via bing. |
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| [21:29:14] | gbee: | xris: the kind that pays my bills ;) |
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| [21:36:39] | kormoc: | abqjp, amazon has fairly decent drive prices these days |
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| [21:39:38] | dustybin: | are 2TB still expensive? |
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| [21:40:03] | dustybin: | 2000 / [PRICE] |
| [21:40:13] | iamlindoro: | = 10 |
| [21:40:31] | iamlindoro: | well, 9 |
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| [21:41:00] | iamlindoro: | 9 * $price = 2000, solve for price, show your work |
| [21:41:24] | dustybin: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . =2TB%20green |
| [21:41:41] | dustybin: | 2000 / $219.99 = |
| [21:41:43] | kormoc: | nah, 2 tb drives are dirt cheap |
| [21:41:47] | iamlindoro: | or just google like a pussy |
| [21:42:12] | dustybin: | iamlindoro is correct! |
| [21:42:17] | dustybin: | 9 |
| [21:42:25] | dustybin: | $9 per gig |
| [21:42:33] | ** kormoc thinks dustybin is insane ** | |
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| [21:42:45] | ** Shadow__X knods ** | |
| [21:43:02] | ** iamlindoro knaves ** | |
| [21:43:10] | dustybin: | hell i mean, $9 per meg |
| [21:43:12] | kormoc: | Try $0.11 per gig |
| [21:43:24] | dustybin: | what did i do wrong? |
| [21:43:30] | meshe: | the math part |
| [21:43:32] | iamlindoro: | I didn't know what I was getting at, but I still solved the equation properly |
| [21:43:37] | iamlindoro: | er what he |
| [21:43:46] | iamlindoro: | 2000 / price = 9 |
| [21:44:02] | iamlindoro: | where 9 = number of drives you can get for $2000 |
| [21:44:16] | iamlindoro: | in a tax free state w/ free shipping |
| [21:44:18] | kormoc: | You pay $220 per drive and a drive is 2000 gigabytes, so $220 / 2000 is the price per gig... |
| [21:44:32] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [21:44:51] | janneg: | I can bu 2 1/2 1.5TB drives for that price |
| [21:45:03] | janneg: | buy |
| [21:45:11] | meshe: | http://www.google.ca/search?q=219.99+%2F+2000 |
| [21:45:46] | dustybin: | janneg: you will spend extra on electricity for the extra drive |
| [21:47:02] | dustybin: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158614 |
| [21:47:14] | juski: | gbee: added a note about the stuff you mentioned to my list above the clock :) |
| [21:47:50] | dustybin: | £155 / 2000 = 8p per gig |
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| [21:49:38] | linxeh: | kormoc: would this be a reasonable motherboard to consider for hd playback? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151427# (specifically to fit into the antec micro fusion case) |
| [21:50:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that board is quite nice |
| [21:50:42] | iamlindoro: | It's one of my frontends, no complaints |
| [21:50:56] | janneg: | let's say 2 drives for 170$ both, I get one TB more and can run the extra drive for a couple of years |
| [21:50:56] | kormoc: | there you go then |
| [21:51:09] | linxeh: | ok, I was looking at an E5200 cpu, using it as a combined front/back end |
| [21:51:38] | linxeh: | and having it serve to a mac mini gma950 as a secondary frontend for an SDTV |
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| [22:00:27] | Shadow__X: | wouldnt a older mac mini be good for hd or am i mistaken |
| [22:01:02] | iamlindoro: | ATSC fine w/ Intel, H.264 at high bitrates would be a stretch |
| [22:01:03] | linxeh: | well, running OSX it struggles playing any of the 1080p material I've tried, especially the BBC iPlayer stuff |
| [22:05:23] | juski: | struggles playing BBC iPlayer 'HD'? oops |
| [22:05:54] | juski: | must be what.. the best part of 10Mbits/sec ? and then prolly only 720p |
| [22:07:10] | linxeh: | yep |
| [22:07:18] | linxeh: | but running the machine at 1080p |
| [22:07:39] | linxeh: | I should try it running at 1200x756 or whatever it is |
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| [22:07:53] | linxeh: | BBC iPlayer HD is 3.5mbit/sec |
| [22:07:59] | juski: | "We use h.264 with a bitrate of 3.2Mbps and 192kbps audio" |
| [22:08:07] | juski: | from the iPlayer help section |
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| [22:08:17] | linxeh: | my internet connection isnt fast enough to stream it, but I've downloaded a few things and its dropping frames all over and stuttering |
| [22:08:55] | juski: | that a mini with single core & intel graphics? |
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| [22:11:15] | rascal999: | i can't get a lock on some channels, what can I do? |
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| [22:13:04] | linxeh: | jst_home: 1.83ghz core duo, intel gma950, 2GB ram |
| [22:13:11] | linxeh: | err juski even :o |
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| [22:13:24] | linxeh: | and connected via dvi->hdmi |
| [22:15:56] | meshe: | that proc is defilately on the low side for HD |
| [22:16:09] | rascal999: | problem solved |
| [22:16:11] | rascal999: | it was the light |
| [22:21:06] | unimaginative: | How do I change the method of buffer flipping in mythtv? |
| [22:21:12] | kormoc: | especially h264 |
| [22:21:41] | kormoc: | unimaginative, erm... you change the output type in your playback settings, but typically you'll only make it worse |
| [22:21:49] | linxeh: | its skipping on the BBC iPlayer desktop tool at 1280x720 |
| [22:22:08] | kormoc: | h264 is a bit of a beast to play |
| [22:22:16] | linxeh: | time to upgrade the cpu in the mini probably :) |
| [22:22:25] | kormoc: | too bad it's soldered to the board! |
| [22:22:28] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/genre.png |
| [22:22:29] | linxeh: | too bad it isnt |
| [22:22:30] | iamlindoro: | Ta-DOW! |
| [22:22:54] | linxeh: | and the chipset can cope with core2 cpus too |
| [22:23:21] | kormoc: | guess it depends on the generation |
| [22:23:28] | kormoc: | "First is the shiny new Core 2 Duo processor, which happens to be soldered to the logic board." http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/mor . . . upgrades.ars |
| [22:24:03] | linxeh: | mine isnt a soldered one |
| [22:24:36] | linxeh: | http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/mac_mini_c . . . o_swaps.html |
| [22:25:54] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/year.png |
| [22:25:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/director.png |
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| [22:27:58] | unimaginative: | kormoc, I'm having a bad tearing issue, and I'm sure it's related to this onboard Intel video card |
| [22:28:11] | unimaginative: | kormoc, You think the tearing will get worse if I switch to RTC or usleep? |
| [22:28:35] | unimaginative: | kormoc, the CPU's a Core2Quad Q6600 |
| [22:30:07] | kormoc: | unimaginative, that's not 'buffer flip method', switching to RTC could help, or perhaps opengl vsync |
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| [22:30:59] | unimaginative: | kormoc, OpenGl would be more preferable, from what I've read |
| [22:31:19] | linxeh: | how does the embedded 9300 graphics compared with a dedicated 8400 graphics card? |
| [22:31:48] | kormoc: | linxeh, in terms of? |
| [22:31:57] | unimaginative: | kormoc, However, this mythtv article on Frame Display Timing mentions nothing of how to switch between the methods (that I've found) |
| [22:32:02] | linxeh: | HD, and deinterlacing say |
| [22:32:09] | linxeh: | and overall system performance |
| [22:32:21] | linxeh: | is the shared graphics a major hit? |
| [22:32:30] | kormoc: | unimaginative, there's a checkbox in the playback settings I believe called 'Use Opengl Vsync', check the box |
| [22:32:41] | unimaginative: | linxeh, from what I've read, getting "latest and greatest" card in the series will not help whatsoever with video performance |
| [22:32:44] | kormoc: | linxeh, I haven't noticed any problems with my mini |
| [22:32:51] | unimaginative: | linxeh, it's all about what support the drivers have |
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| [22:33:10] | ** kormoc points out that only the latest and greatest have VC-1 VDPAU support ** | |
| [22:33:18] | unimaginative: | linxeh, that being said, You *should* get a card that's VDPAU capable, for future stable versions |
| [22:33:19] | linxeh: | well, I was looking at the wiki and it suggests that some graphics devices are capable of the 2x deinterlacing and others arent etc |
| [22:33:30] | kormoc: | indeed that's the case |
| [22:34:02] | linxeh: | unimaginative: yes, I have an 8400GS card at the moment which is VDPAU compatible I think? but I was wondering if it will be better to reuse that, or if the board with 9300 onboard would be better (or the same) |
| [22:34:17] | linxeh: | the less kit in the box the better |
| [22:34:24] | unimaginative: | linxeh, Asus P5N7A-VM ? |
| [22:34:27] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [22:34:45] | unimaginative: | linxeh, i've got one of those |
| [22:34:56] | unimaginative: | linxeh, Some have had great results with it. However, I have not. |
| [22:35:16] | unimaginative: | linxeh, mostly related to NorthBridge chipset drivers (It's an Nforce board) |
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| [22:35:52] | linxeh: | hmmm |
| [22:36:08] | unimaginative: | linxeh, I dropped that board in favor of the Gigabyte G31M-ES2L, but that would require a dedicated Nvidia video card |
| [22:36:15] | kormoc: | personally I'd trust iamlindoro's recommendation on it... |
| [22:36:43] | linxeh: | unimaginative: what kind of issues? |
| [22:36:49] | unimaginative: | the Asus board has some northbridge heat issues |
| [22:37:11] | unimaginative: | linxeh, network card refusing to be recognized, then once I get it recognized it won't show a link |
| [22:37:32] | unimaginative: | linxeh, Sound-related lag when attempting to watch HD |
| [22:38:33] | unimaginative: | I even put in a bug report, and they called it a "hardware issue", I've already RMA'd the board once. |
| [22:39:19] | linxeh: | hmm |
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| [22:40:47] | unimaginative: | linxeh, I'm not trying to stop you from buying the board, It's got a great feature set. I was not able to get it working personally, though. |
| [22:41:32] | linxeh: | yeah, I've had more recommendations than not – and many issues seem to be to do with cooling aroun the northbridge |
| [22:42:01] | unimaginative: | linxeh, I will vouch for that. For some reason they temp that the sensor is reporting is not right |
| [22:42:27] | linxeh: | did you get hdmi audio working ? |
| [22:43:02] | unimaginative: | linxeh, The heatsink is all stupid too. It's designed to look like it's got a heatpipe, but the "heatpipe" is in a totally asinine orientation |
| [22:43:20] | unimaginative: | linxeh, I never tried HDMI audio, I dont' have an HDMI capable reciever *ye* |
| [22:43:51] | linxeh: | ok :) |
| [22:44:02] | linxeh: | seems like a fairlyreasonable board |
| [22:44:15] | linxeh: | and I dont like the idea of finding a passive half-height graphics card |
| [22:44:23] | unimaginative: | where are you located? |
| [22:44:34] | linxeh: | in the UK |
| [22:44:42] | unimaginative: | ahh |
| [22:44:58] | linxeh: | visiting the US in october, but only the NJ/MD area |
| [22:45:10] | unimaginative: | I was gonna let you mess wth mine, though you may get a different revision that may not have the same issues as mine |
| [22:45:22] | kormoc: | the heat pipe does not seem that asinine to me, http://prohardver.hu/dl/cnt/2008-10/37024/asus_p5n7a-vm_mod.jpg |
| [22:46:15] | unimaginative: | kormoc, the heat pipe contains liquid that's supposed to vaporize when exposed to heat, and travel "somewhere else" where it's cooled and condensed |
| [22:46:31] | unimaginative: | kormoc, that "heat pipe" is just a loop that runs around the top of the heatsink |
| [22:46:55] | kormoc: | Which is fine assuming one (or two areas) are colder then the hot spot and it's using a wick |
| [22:46:55] | unimaginative: | where's it supposed to absorb heat from? the coolest spot on the heatsink? |
| [22:47:21] | kormoc: | actually, it absorbs from the hot part (center) and wicks out to the coolest |
| [22:47:59] | linxeh: | ok I think I'm going to go with that board |
| [22:48:02] | linxeh: | many thanks everyone :) |
| [22:49:07] | unimaginative: | kormoc, according to http://www.silentpcreview.com/article892-page2.html |
| [22:49:19] | unimaginative: | "The chipset cooler has 6 stubby horizontal fins on both sides and 5 vertical fins on the inside, all with slits to increase the overall surface area. Strangely, beneath the Asus face-plate sits a solitary heatpipe shaped like a racetrack. It seems completely out of place, both aesthetically and in terms of heatsink design." |
| [22:50:18] | unimaginative: | I'm no expert on heatsink design though, It just didnt make sense to me. |
| [22:50:24] | kormoc: | Doesnt' matter as long as there's a hot and a cool end |
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| [22:58:40] | gbee: | and the ends are the right way around, a heatsink which directs heat to the CPU wouldn't be a good investment |
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| [23:09:23] | thedarkone: | hey all what would cause a video to look like it is in ffwd mode |
| [23:10:19] | thedarkone: | when it is in play mode |
| [23:10:55] | unimaginative: | thedarkone, No idea, any weirdness out of the logs? |
| [23:11:29] | thedarkone: | none |
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| [23:13:06] | meshe: | bad seek table, is that from mythvideo? |
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| [23:18:11] | [James]: | I just installed mythtv, but it wont play my dvds. I can see them on the desktop, so I know the drive is being read. Did I miss something in the setup? |
| [23:18:12] | thedarkone: | NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
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| [23:23:15] | sphery: | [James]: you're using the Play DVD button (or whatever) in mythfrontend? |
| [23:23:30] | [James]: | yes |
| [23:23:36] | sphery: | any errors |
| [23:23:41] | sphery: | like that it's an invalid DVD |
| [23:23:58] | [James]: | nope, it just doesnt play it |
| [23:24:18] | sphery: | (i.e. because seeing it on the desktop may mean it's mounted, and it may be mounted as an ISO9660 filesystem instead of a UDF filesystem, which would make it not play) |
| [23:24:36] | [James]: | Oh, when I try to eject it with the button on the machine, it says its not a volume |
| [23:24:51] | sphery: | or perhaps it's an encrypted DVD and you don't have installed the libraries you need to play encrypted DVD's |
| [23:25:14] | [James]: | Ok, say its the first one you mentioned, how would that be fixed? |
| [23:26:02] | sphery: | tell the system to not mount it? |
| [23:26:14] | sphery: | I don't know how to do that on your distro, though. Sorry. |
| [23:27:33] | [James]: | Ok, Im on Ubuntu. What distro are you using? |
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| [23:36:08] | juski: | VERBOSE isn't included in mythimage? arghh |
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| [23:36:39] | gbee: | #include "mythverbose.h" |
| [23:37:05] | juski: | I know, just means a longer wait |
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| [23:38:06] | juski: | seeing if my trig works out ;) |
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| [23:42:00] | juski: | need trig to work out how much to move the rotated image by |
| [23:42:19] | juski: | oh and btw the rotated images are now being clipped for some reason |
| [23:42:32] | juski: | at least the drawing of them is |
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| [23:44:23] | juski: | yay the movex & movey values look sane :) |
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| [23:55:20] | iamlindoro: | Wheeeeee all the sorting by metadata works great :) :) :) |
| [23:59:01] | juski: | so, my mythimage rotate function is http://pastebin.ca/1527291 but.. should I try to move the position in there or return it to whatever calls it? |
| [23:59:39] | juski: | er return movex & movey I mean |
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