Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, August 11th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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T3Kn0:

Nno one is answering in there

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Shadow__X:

that doesnt matter this channel is only for mythtv speak

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Shadow__X:

so speak of ubuntu or mythbuntu is off topic

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kormoc:

T3Kn0, so try #ubuntu?

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Dagmar:

This still seems weird to see the star of Office Space playing a serious role as an astronaut.

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kormoc:

type casted after one movie, poor guyt

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urlgrey:

I need some help configuring my system for firewire input from a Motorola 6200 cable box

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urlgrey:

I keep getting the following error message in my backend log and when running firewire_tester

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urlgrey:

P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to set the oPCR[0] plug for node 1.

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kormoc:

are you using the firewire primer script?

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urlgrey:

I saw several scripts referenced from the Wiki

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urlgrey:

not sure which to use

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urlgrey:

suggestions?

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Dagmar:

Pick one.

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urlgrey:

:)

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Dagmar:

What's the worst that could happen?

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kormoc:

I believe the official one is the firewire_tester one

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Dagmar:

It might not work.

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

You're already at that stage so you've got nothing to lose.

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kormoc:

and I believe most people have better luck in broadcast mode then p2p

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kormoc:

and it needs to be tuned to a station that is in the clear

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Dagmar:

I want to lick that blonde, tho.

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wagnerrp:

anyone know of an easy way to search beirdo's logs if google fails me?

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Dagmar:

Ctrl-F

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Dagmar:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i mean over the past year or so

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Dagmar:

Ctrl-F and a lot of clicking?

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Dagmar:

He might get upset if you spider the lot

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wagnerrp:

yeah...

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urlgrey:

the wiki page refers to the device /dev/raw1394, but I have no such device (kernel 2.6.27.25)

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urlgrey:

is this necessary

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urlgrey:

?

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wagnerrp:

i have some python frontend telnet script that i want to update and put on trac

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wagnerrp:

but i have no idea who the original author is

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wagnerrp:

and the file doesnt say

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Dagmar:

Post to the ML maybe

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'm having troulbe with my audio...

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have a nvidia on board

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Dagmar:

Does it work?

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Cyber-Dogg:

when I run speaker-test, yes

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Dagmar:

That would be the very first thing to test, outside of Myth

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Dagmar:

So what did you put in the fields for the audio config?

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Cyber-Dogg:

output device is /dev/dsp

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wagnerrp:

edit date is from july, when i had to edit some keyboard codes....

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Cyber-Dogg:

max audio channels is 5.1

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Cyber-Dogg:

passthrough is default

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wagnerrp:

i know its much older than that

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have an HDMI connection that I would prefer to have work if I can

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wagnerrp:

i should have file system snapshots from back to march, but it doesnt seem to have recursed into my home directory properly

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Cyber-Dogg:

but I don't even have that working with speaker test

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wagnerrp:

ill have to see whats wrong with that script

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Cyber-Dogg:

right now the audio is just static

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Dagmar:

Cyber-Dogg: You should check the wiki

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have... :-(

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Dagmar:

"/dev/dsp" is the wrong answer.

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Dagmar:

Check it again.

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Cyber-Dogg:

ok

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Cyber-Dogg:

so let me ask thisw question first...

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Dagmar:

That's the OSS device name for the sound card, not the ALSA device name

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Cyber-Dogg:

adsp?

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's my only other option

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

It's NOT a filename you should be entering.

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'm not entering anything :-)

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's a drop down

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Cyber-Dogg:

I only have 2 choices

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

I'm not telling you how to click the mouse.

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Dagmar:

I'm just going to say "Put in ALSA:default"

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Dagmar:

How you do that is up to you.

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Dagmar:

All that stuff is supposed to be ALSA device names, not filesystem entries

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Dagmar:

There's a whole boatload of places on the wiki where it says "ALSA:default" in fact.

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Dagmar:

Heck, it's even mentioned at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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wagnerrp:

technically, thats not completely right

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wagnerrp:

you have to edit some files to alias default to the correct output

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Dagmar:

Maybe if you ahve more than one device

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Cyber-Dogg:

dagmar

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Cyber-Dogg:

tried ALSA:default

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Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:hw:0,1

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Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:hw:0,3 (which is my HDMI)

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Cyber-Dogg:

and ALSA:hw:0,0

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Cyber-Dogg:

nothing worked

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Cyber-Dogg:

the static went away though :-)

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wagnerrp:

the static means youre passing through audio that your playback device doesnt know how to decode

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Cyber-Dogg:

the static was went it was on /dev/dsp

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wagnerrp:

try 'ALSA:plughw:0,3'

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: One of the advantages of running Slackware is that since it doesn't do crap for you, I can be pretty sure my only sound card is the default alsa device

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wagnerrp:

Cyber-Dogg: that means you were pumping compressed data into the DAC

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Dagmar:

When you can recognize it based on what it sounds like, then you should worry.

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Cyber-Dogg:

ROFL

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Cyber-Dogg:

I very well could be :-)

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Cyber-Dogg:

so... my overall setup here is firewire from STB

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have a shuttle xpc

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Cyber-Dogg:

HDMI output

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'd like the HDMI to work... but what I've seen online seems like it's pretty flaky

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wagnerrp:

Cyber-Dogg: use the above output device in mythtv, see what you get

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Cyber-Dogg:

although, those were 2 years old often

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Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:Default?

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Cyber-Dogg:

tried... nothing

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Dagmar:

If it works at all, it'll probably be stable by now

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Cyber-Dogg:

not even static

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wagnerrp:

"try 'ALSA:plughw:0,3'"

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Cyber-Dogg:

nothing

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T3Kn0:

on mythtv, how do i default the input to be svideo with a dish network reciever

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T3Kn0:

i cant get it to work..

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wagnerrp:

what version of alsa are you running? what nvidia chipset do you have?

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Dagmar:

T3Kn0: If you're trying to set a "default" you're doing it entirely backwards.

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Cyber-Dogg:

let me see

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'm using gentoo

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Dagmar:

T3Kn0: You need to be in mythtv-setup, and everything happens there, up to and including telling it you have Dish, that it's connected to the s-video input of card whatever, and where you get the listings for it from.

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Dagmar:

There is no "default"

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Cyber-Dogg:

how do I check the alsa version?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's in the kernel...

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Dagmar:

Then it doesn't matter unless you're running something hideously ancient

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Dagmar:

Anything above 2.6.20 should be more than recent enough

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Dagmar:

Your distribution will have shipped an appropriate set of userspace tools

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have a 2.6.30-r4 kernel

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Dagmar:

Then youre fine

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wagnerrp:

definately a newer version of alsa than im running

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Cyber-Dogg:

and in terms of the nvidia chipset...

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Dagmar:

If speaker-test -Ddefault works you're probably fine to just tell it ALSA:default

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Dagmar:

...although you might want to try one of the "other" models, like surround51

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Cyber-Dogg:

spearker-test -Ddefault works fine

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Cyber-Dogg:

so does surround41

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Cyber-Dogg:

which is what I have

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'd really like the HDMI to work...

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Cyber-Dogg:

but it doesnt...

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Dagmar:

HDMI is a different output device

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Dagmar:

I thought I linked that page...

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Cyber-Dogg:

it will only even run with -c 2

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Cyber-Dogg:

but it doesn't do anything

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Dagmar:

Because that's one that basically needs to be "built" for ALSA

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Dagmar:

Which sound card did you say you had again?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's an nvidia on board

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wagnerrp:

should be an HDA chipset

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah it is

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Cyber-Dogg:

all I see in lspci is audio device: nvidia coopr device 0774

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Cyber-Dogg:

rev a1

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Cyber-Dogg:

I checked the alsa matrix

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's in there

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Dagmar:

Ah here we go

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Dagmar:

`aplay -L`

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Dagmar:

That'll make it list all the "devices" it knows about

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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Dagmar:

If there's one there that looks like it might be the HDMI one you can run speaker-test against it

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Dagmar:

Some pieces of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound will help

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Cyber-Dogg:

hdmi:CARD=NVIDIA,DEV=0

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Cyber-Dogg:

tried -Dhdmi

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Dagmar:

So -Dhdmi "should" work

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... it doesn't...

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Dagmar:

It might not work right now thne

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Dagmar:

Get it working correctly with "something" first, then worry about hte HDMI problem

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Dagmar:

It'll be a hell of a lot easier to troubleshoot that way

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's what I was going for

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Cyber-Dogg:

and I know speaker-test -Ddefault -c4 works

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Dagmar:

OKay, so go into the frontend setup and tell it to use that device (ALSA:default) for output, and set the mixer to Master and so on

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Dagmar:

Typically this is the point where you say "Okay, I've set it to that now"

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Cyber-Dogg:

working on it :-)

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Cyber-Dogg:

had to step away for a moment

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Cyber-Dogg:

2 year old running around

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Cyber-Dogg:

ok

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Dagmar:

Okay. Some people would just be sitting there pretending they did

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Cyber-Dogg:

so in order from top down and left to right

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Cyber-Dogg:

ALSA:Default

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Dagmar:

...which would keep everything from working and be a huge waste of time. Pardon my paranoia.

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Cyber-Dogg:

Default

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Cyber-Dogg:

5.1

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Cyber-Dogg:

Passive

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Cyber-Dogg:

uncheck (all but use internal)

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Dagmar:

In order from top down and left to right I have no idea whatsoever what thei fields are

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Cyber-Dogg:

Master

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gizmobay:

Anyone no where I can get mythstream for the trunk on Ubuntu?

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Dagmar:

Everything but the 'Master' and 'ALSA:default' parts should more or less be common sense.

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: it hasnt been updated in several versions of mythtv

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Cyber-Dogg:

k

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Dagmar:

Yes, it's counter-intuitive that we all use ALSA and the default is that crap OSS device

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gizmobay:

bummer

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Dagmar:

I was going to push a patch to change that but someone talked me out of it like a year ago

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Dagmar:

I don't even remember why

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wagnerrp:

you might want to check out the miro-bridge thingy...

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wagnerrp:

or mythtube

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Cyber-Dogg:

ok

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Cyber-Dogg:

so that's all set and no worky :-)

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gizmobay:

can those grab shoutcast feeds?

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Dagmar:

Unmute things

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wagnerrp:

no

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Cyber-Dogg:

alsamixer?

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Dagmar:

Everywhere

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gizmobay:

bummer

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Dagmar:

You absolutely want to have already unmuted the stuff in alsamixer

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Cyber-Dogg:

lol... I only know amixer and alsamixer

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have

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Dagmar:

Myth has a volume control of it's own that it might be setting to 0

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Dagmar:

Pretty sure the keys are > and < but i'm not certain

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Cyber-Dogg:

the master and PCM are both set to 85

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wagnerrp:

myth's internal volume control just controls that of alsa

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Dagmar:

Yeah but it might have woudn up on 0 earlier and it'll stay there

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Dagmar:

I can't think of any other reason why speaker-test would work, but pushing those same things into Myth would fail

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Cyber-Dogg:

everything is unmmuted and volumes are up

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Dagmar:

What is your capture source?

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Cyber-Dogg:

firewire

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Dagmar:

Okay, so we're sure that those files have some audio in them?

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Cyber-Dogg:

and I knot eh STB is outputing the audio feed

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Dagmar:

Like, you've punted one of them over to some other machine that reliably playins multimedia and it played them?

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Cyber-Dogg:

before I built the myth box, I hooked it up to my windows box and used VLC to play it

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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Dagmar:

Okay cool.

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Cyber-Dogg:

I was amazed

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Dagmar:

I'm amazed.

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Cyber-Dogg:

first time I've ever NOT hated CHarter Communications :-)

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Cyber-Dogg:

no 5C anywhere

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Dagmar:

Most cable companies act like they'd rather just burn down their offices and move to some other city before they'll let customers have video over firewire

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Cyber-Dogg:

so... I know the audio feed from it works

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Cyber-Dogg:

and my video works fine right now too

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Cyber-Dogg:

nice 1080i :-)

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Dagmar:

Oh.... Try this last test

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Dagmar:

speaker-test -c4 -twav

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Cyber-Dogg:

k

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Cyber-Dogg:

I tried it with -tsine earlier and it worked

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Cyber-Dogg:

let me try the wav

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Dagmar:

That pink noise can sometimes mess with one's ability to realize it's consistently only coming out of one spekaer

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Cyber-Dogg:

works fine

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... that's why I tried the sine wave

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Cyber-Dogg:

I didn't know if it was garbage or not

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Dagmar:

...but a chick saying "left front", "right... front...", "murple-mupha", "center" and so on makes it easier

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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Cyber-Dogg:

crystal clear ther

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** Cyber-Dogg is so confused... **

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Cyber-Dogg:

X doesn't care about the sound right?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's just video

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Dagmar:

Right

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Cyber-Dogg:

mk

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Cyber-Dogg:

any other thoughts...?

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Dagmar:

Annoyingly, I'm out of ideas.

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Cyber-Dogg:

I didn't have any to begin with... :/

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Cyber-Dogg:

so...

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Cyber-Dogg:

should I perhaps rebuild myth?

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Cyber-Dogg:

maybe I messed up a use flag?

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Cyber-Dogg:

I didn't have an alsa use flag....

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Cyber-Dogg:

:-)

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Cyber-Dogg:

rebuilding

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Cyber-Dogg:

I'm ganna be really annoyed with myself if that's it...

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Cyber-Dogg:

so here's another question regarding video

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have a small white border around the TV image

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Cyber-Dogg:

but I don't have that when I run HDMI directly from cable box

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Cyber-Dogg:

next additional will be adding iphone access :-)

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Shadow__X:

Cyber-Dogg: what version of myth are you running

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Cyber-Dogg:

21

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Cyber-Dogg:

well... .21

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Shadow__X:

hmm how about worry about geting that working

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Shadow__X:

then go from there

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... but that only benefits me... getting the main interface working benefits me and my wife

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Cyber-Dogg:

happy wife = happy life :-)

[02:16:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

well not necessarily...

[02:16:20]

Cyber-Dogg:

but an unhappy wife gaurantees and unhappy life

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Cyber-Dogg:

LOL

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Shadow__X:

right but if you follow the manual you should have mythtv setup and have it running

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... but I'm just trying to get the audio working

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Cyber-Dogg:

that's all I have left! :-)

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

well just go through all the audio devices there are

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Cyber-Dogg:

my guess right now is rebuild myth

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Cyber-Dogg:

I missed the alsa use flag

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Dagmar:

..and here I was assuming you had a sane binary

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Dagmar:

*shakes head*

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Dagmar:

Gentoo users...

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dec_ is now known as dec

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Cyber-Dogg:

ROFL

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: its a shame you arent in the #gentoo channel

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wagnerrp:

there was a bit of amusement in there a couple minutes ago

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Dagmar:

Why would I want to see that?

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Cyber-Dogg:

ugh...

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Cyber-Dogg:

rebuild... still doesn't work

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wagnerrp:

someone coming in... 'I NEED SERIUS ATTENTION'... 'I HAVE VIRUS'

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Dagmar:

hahah

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wagnerrp:

stop using caps... stop using caps... kick....

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Dagmar:

I'd tell them to wash their drive with antibacterial soap.

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Dagmar:

It'll get those nasty viruses off there

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Cyber-Dogg:

ok... I'm so confused...

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wagnerrp:

guy comes back in... 'HELP, VIRUS CAUSED HELP CHAT TO CLOSE'

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wagnerrp:

stop using caps... ban....

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Cyber-Dogg:

LOL

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Shadow__X:

heh nice

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Cyber-Dogg:

Shadow__X: do you hvae anyt thoughts on my audio problem?

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Cyber-Dogg:

speaker-test works fine

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Cyber-Dogg:

but Myth doesn't

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Shadow__X:

uh other than looking at the setup i am not sure what else i could help you with

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Shadow__X:

i am not one of the elders here i would say i am a notch above novice

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Shadow__X:

but again make sure the frontend is configured correctly with sound

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Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... that's the problem... ;-)

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Shadow__X:

Cyber-Dogg: make sure all the audio options in the frontend setup are correct

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Shadow__X:

thats what i can suggest i have had to adjust those before

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I finally got a multi-core frontend running and now I can use those fancy software based deinterlacers – was wondering which deinterlacer you liked best, Yadif 2X or Greedy 2X?

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iamlindoro:

yep, the new weather icons are nice indeed

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, I tend to use Yadif, but to be honest between the two I don't have any huge preference (Yadif runs better for me)

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elmojo:

cool, thanks

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elmojo:

running on my windows box by the way

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elmojo:

it works surprisingly well

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aarcane:

Cyber-Dogg, have you tried using one of the digital outputs from your sound card other than the HDMI connection ?

[03:05:27]

iamlindoro:

It is much improved as of late

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: yes and now I can use Mark's multi-threaded deinterlacers

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tmkt:

the new -fixes

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tmkt:

anyone have any problems with it?

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tmkt:

Watching TV is broken ever since installing it

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tmkt:

never mind

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tmkt:

0% disk space seems to be the issue

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** kormoc wonders what this new -fixes actually is **

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Shadow__X:

perhaps .21-fixes

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Shadow__X:

but live tv has been working here

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kormoc:

You don't actually read what people type do you?

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Shadow__X:

where the fun in that

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Shadow__X:

wheres

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Shadow__X:

i am just going to shut up i dont want to make you even more mad

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tmkt:

shouldn't this disk space problem not happen

[03:25:21]

tmkt:

shouldn't it be deleted/expiring stuff once i get under 1 gig?

[03:25:30]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Did I catch it right that a delete capability may be added to MythVideo?

[03:25:43]

kormoc:

unless there's nothing to auto-expire (meaning you set nothing to be expirable)

[03:25:56]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yes, well, the button is already there, it's just somewhat broken

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I have a patch here but it's driving me up the wall right now-- it works, can just cause a crash in a couple of instances and so I'd rather get it totally finished before I commit

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tmkt:

yeah..in the system status..it shows stuff that is due to expire

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RDV_Linux:

I assume it removes the video file and videometatdata record. Is that correct?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yes

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kormoc:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, that part is easy-- it's handling the UI when you do it that's proving to be a pain

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kormoc:

with the idea of using external meta data scripts, does it make sense to have a post-video-scan script option that runs the script after the scan?

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kormoc:

Thinking it'd be nice to have JAMU run right after a scan

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, After the deleting is solved, I plan to turn my attention to adding records, and had half a mind to have metadata lookup be part of that

[03:30:05]

iamlindoro:

Will see how much I can sneak in by .22

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: That is going to be a bit of an issue with Miro Bridge as the MythVideo files that Miro still references will just keep reappearing until Miro expires them. Or unless I can figure a different way to detect a MythVideo originated deletion.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Let me think about it

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, but the truth is the delete has always been there, so it's not a new problem

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I do have something in the Wiki about how to really remove a reappearing video which may be enough but people will want things seamless like is done from the Watch Recordings screen delete.

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RDV_Linux:

May be a fake oldrecording record can be used just like for Watch Recordings. I will have to think on this one.

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kormoc:

There's been a often requested feature to 'mark' mythvideo watched recordings, ala watch tv

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iamlindoro:

yes, there's an open patch for it

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iamlindoro:

but it's pretty out of date

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iamlindoro:

it's middle of my list of things to get to

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kormoc:

that might be the better option, as then the miro thing could use that

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: It is cleaner to just delete the videometadata record and the video file which may leave orphaned graphics (e.g. screenshot). You mentioned about using Jamu with a scan. Jamu is very tied to the inetref numbers except for well formed movie and TV episode file names. Guessing is very hit and miss.

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux: sure, but if the majority of users have well formed file names, it'd be useful

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** kormoc shrugs **

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RDV_Linux:

Jamu already has a -G guess option which works very well as when I finish a recording I use SD info to rename the video as part of a user job. That data is good enough to get the full TV episode or movie name right over 95 or so percent right.

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Cyber-Dogg:

so I'm trying to setup mythweb

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Out of curiosity, what do you use Jamu for after you did a mass update? Or was that it?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it tells me database setup error

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Cyber-Dogg:

but I'm certain I have the db_* vars setup right

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Dagmar:

Can you pastebin that segment?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's just the servername, database name, login and password

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Cyber-Dogg:

right?

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Dagmar:

Yes, so what did you put in for the server name

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Cyber-Dogg:

localhost

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux: Aye, that's it. Is there something I should look at?

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's running on the same box as the backend

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Dagmar:

OKay, and you shoudln't have needed to change the second one

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Dagmar:

It should still be mythconverg

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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Cyber-Dogg:

l/ps are just mythtv

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: change it to 127.0.0.1?

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Dagmar:

The rest should be the same username and password mythfrontend is using

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Cyber-Dogg:

check mysql to make sure I could in as that

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Dagmar:

kormoc: If his distro broke the resolution of localhost, it's time to shoot the machine

[03:48:13]

Dagmar:

Wait, Gentoo.

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kormoc:

Dagmar: it's not the distro, it's mysql

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Cyber-Dogg:

LOL

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Dagmar:

What was I thinking. Valid point.

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Cyber-Dogg:

k, trying it now

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kormoc:

Dagmar: mysql with a hostname defaults to using unix sockets, that isn't always valid

[03:49:07]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I can't see any rational reason why he'd have disabled unix sockets on a standalone setup

[03:49:12]

Dagmar:

...but hey it's Gentoo

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Cyber-Dogg:

LOL

[03:49:24]

kormoc:

Dagmar: it's more a permissions problem with the web user not having permissions for /var/run

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kormoc:

which I agree with

[03:49:39]

Cyber-Dogg:

man... you just have something against us gentoo users huh? ;-)

[03:49:47]

Dagmar:

Not really.

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Cyber-Dogg:

no good

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Cyber-Dogg:

same thing :-)

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: he hates the world

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Cyber-Dogg:

ah

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Dagmar:

Just something about being told repeatedly that you can customize everything leads many of their users to actually TRY it

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Dagmar:

...without evern realizing that THE DEFAULTS ARE PERFECTLY FINE.

[03:50:21]

Cyber-Dogg:

yeah... I don't change much

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Dagmar:

So... ya find a lot of really insane configs

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Permissiosn for /var/run what?

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Dagmar:

Why would that even be needed

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kormoc:

Dagmar: to connect to the unix socket, it's done via filesystem access, not a /dev/socket node

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kormoc:

it's a weird setup

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: I use Jamu regularly for three things. (1) Every second night I run a cron maintenance job to keep my meta data up to date (new graphics and meta data) (2) Every night to get graphics for Scheduled and Recorded programs (3) I use it to move files into MythVideo and do renaming the file, get metadata and graphics all in one move from a user job or command line.

[03:51:43]

Dagmar:

yeah i know, but that's totally a mysqld issue

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Cyber-Dogg:

it says

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Cyber-Dogg:

he database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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Dagmar:

If someone sets up that socket in a directory that's locked down so that no one but root and mysql can get at it, they just broke the hell out of mysql, period

[03:52:07]

Cyber-Dogg:

webserver conf or .htaccess fil

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Dagmar:

Cyber-Dogg: Can you as a normal user "see" /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ?

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kormoc:

Dagmar: most distros do that by default, including Debian, RHEL/CentOS, and Fedora

[03:52:43]

kormoc:

but in this case it's not the issue

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Cyber-Dogg:

yep

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kormoc:

so RDV_Linux, I do #1, #2 will happen later when I get a tuner, and #3 I don't really store recordings, so that makes sense

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Cyber-Dogg:

kormoc: yes

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Dagmar:

kormoc: That's going a bit far there

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Cyber-Dogg:

actually no

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Cyber-Dogg:

it says permission denied

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Cyber-Dogg:

:-)

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Cool. I was just curious.

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Dagmar:

Probably the brain rot from making all those groups named after users

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Cyber-Dogg:

I can see the file

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Cyber-Dogg:

but if I try to open it I get a permission denied

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Dagmar:

What mode is the directory?

[03:54:36]

Dagmar:

700?

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xris:

there. new text on SD website for "about", etc.

[03:55:06]

Dagmar:

You can paste that one line, no one will shoot you

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Cyber-Dogg:

LOL, I'm on a seperate machine for IRC

[03:55:51]

Dagmar:

Lemme put it this way... is it drwx------- or drwxr-xr-x?

[03:55:56]

Dagmar:

The latter would actually be useful

[03:56:00]

Cyber-Dogg:

no... r-xr-x

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Cyber-Dogg:

:-)

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iamlindoro:

xris, Firefox 3 on linux, I'm seeing Kevin Odorczyk's position shifted down one to Isaac

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Cyber-Dogg:

and the .sock file itself is +777

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Dagmar:

OKay good.

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iamlindoro:

xris, and all thereafter shifted down one too

[03:57:10]

Cyber-Dogg:

so what's next :-)

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Dagmar:

Looking for more detail about what mythweb is carping about

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: what's your php use flags?

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Dagmar:

php probably missing mysql support

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Dagmar:

That'll probably show up in apache's error_log, but I'm not certain

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Cyber-Dogg:

how do i see the php use flag?

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kormoc:

emerge -pv php

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Cyber-Dogg:

it's long

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Cyber-Dogg:

mysql is in it

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kormoc:

mysqli?

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Cyber-Dogg:

that is -mysqli

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kormoc:

add that and recompile

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Cyber-Dogg:

k

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kormoc:

for what it's worth, I have pache2 bcmath bzip2 cli crypt ctype curl gd-external ipv6 json mysql mysqli nls pcre pdo posix reflection session simplexml snmp sockets spl ssl sysvipc tokenizer unicode xml xmlreader zip zlib

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Cyber-Dogg:

how do I add that? :-)

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kormoc:

echo "dev-lang/php mysqli second third forth" >> /etc/portage/package.use

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kormoc:

if the file/dir doesn't exist, create it

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Miesco:

Can you get USB cards for HD satellite tv?

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kormoc:

Miesco: the happauge HDPVE

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Miesco:

K, does it work with any sattelite company?

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kormoc:

yes

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Cyber-Dogg:

it looks like mysqli is the only thing I don't have that you do

[04:02:01]

Cyber-Dogg:

can you paste that line one more time?

[04:02:18]

Cyber-Dogg:

I'm actually using a java client and if you hit backspace too many times... bad things happen

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kormoc:

apache2 bcmath bzip2 cli crypt ctype curl gd-external ipv6 json mysql mysqli nls pcre pdo posix reflection session simplexml snmp sockets spl ssl sysvipc tokenizer unicode xml xmlreader zip zlib

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Miesco:

kormoc: So I just put my smartcard in it?

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Cyber-Dogg:

the echo statement

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kormoc:

Miesco: no, it's a component capture device

[04:02:50]

kormoc:

Miesco: so you'd use your receiver's component out to the device

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kormoc:

echo "dev-lang/php mysqli second third forth" >> /etc/portage/package.use

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Cyber-Dogg:

thanks

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: the second third forth are userflags, and if you wanted to remove any, just do a -

[04:03:28]

Miesco:

kormoc: Does this comply to my Bell user agreement?

[04:03:43]

kormoc:

Miesco: I couldn't comment on that

[04:04:59]

Cyber-Dogg:

building now

[04:05:00]

Cyber-Dogg:

brb

[04:05:00]

Miesco:

kormoc: Can it decode the signal directly to my monitor?

[04:05:40]

kormoc:

Miesco: no, it only encodes into h264, you need a computer to decode it from h264 or a hardware device that does h264 decoding

[04:06:58]

Cyber-Dogg:

can you stream live tv from mythweb?

[04:07:12]

kormoc:

no

[04:07:38]

Cyber-Dogg:

is there any way to transcode live tv?

[04:07:56]

kormoc:

not via myth (until after it's recorded)

[04:08:05]

Miesco:

kormoc: Does the satellite receiver output in MPEG2?

[04:08:11]

Cyber-Dogg:

k

[04:08:25]

kormoc:

Miesco: not via component, it's a HD analog output

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Miesco:

kormoc: Doesn't it use coaxial?

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iamlindoro:

"via component, it's a HD analog output"

[04:10:51]

kormoc:

Miesco: component is not coaxial, no

[04:10:53]

iamlindoro:

component != coaxial

[04:12:09]

kormoc:

mishehu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=component and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hdpvr

[04:12:39]

Miesco:

kormoc: So all it does is just convert analog output to h264?

[04:13:00]

kormoc:

it converts a component signal to h264, yes

[04:13:57]

Miesco:

kormoc: What about for HD cable, is there a TV tuner?

[04:14:21]

Cyber-Dogg:

done building

[04:14:39]

kormoc:

Miesco: you'd use the same device

[04:14:46]

Cyber-Dogg:

I restarted apache

[04:14:48]

Cyber-Dogg:

still doesn't work

[04:15:01]

kormoc:

Miesco: *any* hd source that supports component out would work with the same device

[04:15:19]

Miesco:

kormoc: Well what about one for live tv?

[04:15:39]

kormoc:

Miesco: what about live tv? Just hook the receiver up to a tv?

[04:16:23]

Miesco:

kormoc: I want to have livetv with mythtv

[04:16:38]

kormoc:

the hdpvr will work with live-tv and myth

[04:17:18]

Miesco:

kormoc: So I can see HD tv from my satellite on my computer with mythtv?

[04:17:30]

kormoc:

yes, via the hdpvr

[04:17:36]

Dagmar:

Cyber-Dogg: What are the last ten or so lines from apache's error_log?

[04:19:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

caught sig_term shutting down

[04:19:20]

Dagmar:

Ten lines of that?

[04:19:24]

Cyber-Dogg:

and then resuming normal operations

[04:19:37]

Miesco:

kormoc: How does cable tv decrypt the signals?

[04:19:45]

Cyber-Dogg:

that's it :-)

[04:19:49]

Dagmar:

Miesco: not by any mechanism we can emulate

[04:19:49]

Cyber-Dogg:

over and over

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kormoc:

Miesco: the cable box decrypts the signal

[04:20:32]

Miesco:

kormoc: I see, how does it know what channels you subscribe to?

[04:21:20]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: edit includes/database.php, right before the $db = Database::connect line, add in print_r($_SERVER['db_name']); and then do one of those lines for all four of the variables

[04:21:36]

kormoc:

Miesco: by you telling it via your SD subscription?

[04:21:40]

Cyber-Dogg:

k

[04:22:00]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: then when you refresh mythweb, validate those four values are what you believe it should be

[04:22:34]

Miesco:

kormoc: Is there like a smart card or something?

[04:22:44]

kormoc:

Miesco: no, not for linux

[04:23:17]

Cyber-Dogg:

how do I copy and paste in vi? ;-)

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Dagmar:

With your mouse, just like usual.

[04:23:29]

Miesco:

Cyber-Dogg: y and p

[04:23:40]

Cyber-Dogg:

yank and put

[04:23:41]

Cyber-Dogg:

that's right

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Dagmar:

Or hid 'd' twice to delete a line and then 'p' to paste it back as many times as needed

[04:24:03]

Cyber-Dogg:

yeah

[04:24:04]

Dagmar:

the lazy way

[04:24:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

so...

[04:24:13]

Cyber-Dogg:

I added those lines

[04:24:15]

Cyber-Dogg:

saved the file

[04:24:23]

Cyber-Dogg:

refreshed the page... no additional output...

[04:24:59]

Cyber-Dogg:

do I need to reload anything?

[04:25:02]

Cyber-Dogg:

I wouldn't think so...

[04:25:18]

kormoc:

add in a echo "--start--\n"; and echo "--end--\n"; around those four print_rs

[04:25:29]

kormoc:

and then refresh and view the source and see if you see those or not

[04:25:57]

kormoc:

it so, then you're don't have the database settings correct in your vhost

[04:26:54]

Cyber-Dogg:

I don't see the start and end

[04:27:02]

Cyber-Dogg:

or the database settings...

[04:27:35]

kormoc:

then you're not hitting that code

[04:27:46]

kormoc:

so you might have two installs?

[04:28:02]

Cyber-Dogg:

oh great...

[04:28:09]

Cyber-Dogg:

lol

[04:28:35]

Dagmar:

Yay lack of proper package management

[04:29:05]

kormoc:

Yay for lack of knowing what the hell you're talking about

[04:29:39]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: so check the apache vhosts to see where it's pointing

[04:30:56]

Cyber-Dogg:

in /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/there is just one conf file

[04:31:10]

kormoc:

and it's pointing where you specified?

[04:31:17]

kormoc:

or rather where you were editing?

[04:32:07]

Cyber-Dogg:

yep

[04:32:16]

Cyber-Dogg:

it's in /var/www/localhost/htdocs

[04:32:27]

Cyber-Dogg:

I was in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb

[04:32:34]

Cyber-Dogg:

but then I'm hitting http://localhost/mythweb

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kormoc:

yeah, that's fine

[04:33:54]

kormoc:

edit the mythweb.php in htdocs/mythweb/ and put the 6 lines right after the <?php tag

[04:34:11]

kormoc:

see if you get anything then

[04:34:11]

Cyber-Dogg:

I was just going to say... perhaps it isn't even making it that far

[04:34:20]

kormoc:

and you're doing shift-refresh to reload the pages?

[04:34:33]

kormoc:

(pressing shift and clicking the refresh button)

[04:34:33]

Dagmar:

Is there some reason vhosts are even in the picture?

[04:34:33]

Miesco:

kormoc: So with any HD tv or subscription TV you have to buy the companies receiver and then you just use that to output a device to your computer, and with regular cable you can just plug the coaxial into a pci or usb tv tuner?

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Dagmar:

Miesco: Yes, provided you weren't getting premium channels that required a cable box

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kormoc:

Miesco: typically you rent the receiver, but yes

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Cyber-Dogg:

yay... I remembered cut/paste d6d and p :-)

[04:36:44]

Cyber-Dogg:

--start-- mythconvergmythtvmythtv127.0.0.1--end--

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Cyber-Dogg:

looks good to me

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

yeah, that's valid

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whoever:

hey all, Did I miss somthing? since I upgraded mythtv , now when I run mythfrontend, there isn't a "watch tv" option, I have to use "mythtv" and I am unable to scheduale recordings

[04:37:05]

kormoc:

then it goes into init.php

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whoever:

I have re installed same problem

[04:37:13]

Cyber-Dogg:

so evidently it's not even making it to the databases

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kormoc:

whoever: there's a watch tv option lower on the menu

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Cyber-Dogg:

when I looked in the access_log, the only things hit have been mythweb.php and error css

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kormoc:

that's correct

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whoever:

kormoc: nope watch recording, upcomming recordings, schedualing priorieties, utilitits/setup

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kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: in includes/init.php, inbetween the require_once lines, add in a echo __LINE."<br>\n";

[04:39:10]

kormoc:

whoever: under watch recordings -> live tv

[04:39:17]

kormoc:

perhaps?

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kormoc:

(although I thought it was under media lib)

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kormoc:

whoever: what version of myth?

[04:41:40]

Cyber-Dogg:

annoyed...

[04:41:56]

Cyber-Dogg:

so one of the wiki pages I saw for mythweb, said to add some lines to the init.php

[04:41:57]

Cyber-Dogg:

so I did

[04:41:59]

Cyber-Dogg:

that broke it ;-)

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kormoc:

which wiki page?

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Cyber-Dogg:

looking for it again

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whoever:

kormoc: I found watch tv (under utilitis/setup -->watch tv

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whoever:

)

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kormoc:

that sounds like a very broken menu theme

[04:42:56]

whoever:

kormoc: but still have the problem of not being able to schedule recordings

[04:43:15]

Cyber-Dogg:

http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythWeb

[04:43:29]

Cyber-Dogg:

stuff like $_SERVER["db_server"] = $_SERVER["DB_SERVER"];

[04:43:47]

Cyber-Dogg:

oh well... works now

[04:44:10]

kormoc:

Cyber-Dogg: erm... that's setting up mythweb for lightttpd, not apache...

[04:44:30]

Cyber-Dogg:

DOH!

[04:44:35]

Cyber-Dogg:

my mistake

[04:44:36]

Cyber-Dogg:

sorry...

[04:45:08]

Cyber-Dogg:

well... for the record, I added those because it didn't work before

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whoever:

kormoc: relese branch 0–21

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Cyber-Dogg:

so I'm certain the rebuild was needed to fix the problem

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kormoc:

whoever: it's certainly a broken menu theme then

[04:45:58]

kormoc:

whoever: I'd talk to who ever made your packages, as it sounds like the package is corrupt

[04:46:01]

** iamlindoro just wrote the whole watched flag feature... why again? **

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Cyber-Dogg:

so, there's no way to stream live tv huh...?

[04:46:11]

Cyber-Dogg:

that's a bummer

[04:46:23]

iamlindoro:

patches accepted cheerfully

[04:46:25]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: so the miro grabber knows what ones you've watched and won't re-download?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, oh, right

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** kormoc turns his frown upside down... twice **

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whoever:

kormoc: so recordings should still be 'R' ?

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whoever:

kormoc: key

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kormoc:

to record via live tv, yes

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whoever:

kormoc: I ment from the program guide

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kormoc:

I wouldn't know

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whoever:

kormoc: thx

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android6011:

what is a good dual analog tuner card? I want good good quality out of it, and I want 2 tuners so I can watch and record at same time

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kormoc:

pvr 500?

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android6011:

ok ill check that out

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android6011:

does mythtv support the fm tuner on hvr 1800 ?

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kormoc:

no

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, do we *only* set Watched in the PBB with the toggle? or is there code that sets watched when it completes?

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pat___:

is the recommended way to change the hostname of a backend as set out in section 23.15 of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html or is there a better, improved version of this using some scripts someone has written?

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iamlindoro:

There are newer, improved, better scripts, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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pat___:

iamlindoro: thankyou, just what I was chasing

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android6011:

does anyone have a pvr 150? how is analog quality?

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pat___:

many people have pvr150 capture cards. it is pretty much the standard capture card for analogue

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android6011:

i see there are a lot of revisions, are there any to look out for?

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pat___:

I'm not sure. I don't use one myself

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android6011:

or if i want good quality analog just grab any pvr 150 i can get

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android6011:

ok

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juski:

android6011: all the pvr150 models offer the same video quality

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juski:

which BTW is pretty good as analogue capture cards go. I used to use one (I no longer use analogue) & found it to live up to my expectations

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: aye, there's a mark as watched after most of the recording is done

[05:41:43]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, yeah, looked at that but there's liitle in the way of an interface for mythvideo

[05:41:54]

iamlindoro:

opted for a mythvideo setting in minutes for the moment

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iamlindoro:

(and a manual toggle)

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kormoc:

Percent would be better imho

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kormoc:

as minutes is hard when you have a mix of movies + tv shows

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iamlindoro:

hmmmmm

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iamlindoro:

there's probably an easy way and a hard way to do that

[05:43:05]

iamlindoro:

the easy way relies on having a valid length field in the DB

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iamlindoro:

the hard way involves me being a smart person

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kormoc:

Heh, I would imagine you'd be able to grab the value the OSD uses fairly easy?

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iamlindoro:

not really, mythvideo just launches the player and then goes off to chase butterflies

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

not that it *shouldn't* be more tightly integrated

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iamlindoro:

Though if I do get that kind of information out of the internal player, the users of mplayer can just as well toggle their own watched flag

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kormoc:

Yeah, I wouldn't worry bout external player users

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iamlindoro:

That said, the media handler doesn't really seem to give much back

[05:51:59]

iamlindoro:

not even an exit code

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iamlindoro:

It would be easy if I could figure out if someone watched something to the end/etc., but the media handler stuff really just does take a pginfo object and leave mythvideo behind

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kormoc:

sad

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juski:

almost figured out the re-centreing of the rotated images :)

[06:06:28]

juski:

BUT, it's still borked for buttonlists. gah

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juski:

be so much easier just to leave this to mythimage

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juski:

and to hell with those who have slow systems

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Dagmar:

Well, honestly, if it's that big if a deal, do that.

[06:17:41]

Dagmar:

Seriously.

[06:17:47]

Dagmar:

Don't drive yourself batty over it.

[06:18:11]

Dagmar:

Clean up the bits you've got so that job lies with mythimage, CPU-intensive or not, and then come back and do that bit later when it's not making your blood boil.

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juski:

thing is, I can't think of any logical reason why it's borked for buttonlists

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juski:

every shape gets drawn individually at a given position

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juski:

the matrix system used for drawing is saved to the stack _before_ doing any translate or rotate, the draw is done & the stack is restored so these things shouldn't be interacting

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juski:

just watched a tutorial show me the same as what I'm doing, only theirs works

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T3Kn0_:

for the wintv pvr-150 what setting do i put the card type on?

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T3Kn0_:

IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

hahaha just disturbed my wife. she's never seen me doing maths

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juski:

must be scary waking up to find your husband doing trig

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AndyCap:

teachers should focus more on computer graphics when teaching that. :P

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Senkrad_Luna:

Hey everyone. My system is failing to update my storage space, after it filled up. I can still watch the files but deleting files does not show that more space is available. Going to the storage directory via the file browser is also not updating the space when deleting files manually. My searching for solutions is not producing any useful results. Any suggestions?

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juski:

AndyCap: they might well do these days

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juski:

deleting files manually? Oh God please tell me you've not

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Senkrad_Luna:

Yes I know its bad but the db handles that okay after you find them via the front end. I had to try to find out where my problems were so I am trying almost anything.

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juski:

deletes don't always show an increase in free space immediately

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juski:

1. if you've enabled 'delete files slowly' because you use ext3 – the free space won't become available immediately

[07:43:30]

Senkrad_Luna:

I have deleted files by the front end. Restarted the system. Shutdown the system for 10 mins and restarted it. Done mythfilldatabase. Checked mythtv-setup. Left the system alone for 6 hours. And it is still not showing. It is also not recording I expect because it thinks the drive is full.

[07:43:58]

Senkrad_Luna:

I started diagnosing last night.

[07:46:41]

Senkrad_Luna:

1. Yes I have enabled it to slowly delete. Normally it shows slow increments of available space. It is remaining static.

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juski:

gonna have a bit of fun, see if I can do a rotatepulse

[09:06:26]

juski:

hey, why don't we flesh out the stuff like movementpulse which is in the ui already – all it needs is hooks into the xml I think

[09:07:00]

juski:

I know none of it is drop dead important but it'd be better to have it than not at all

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Senkrad_Luna:

I am going out for a bit but I'll stay connected to look back and see any suggestions on fixing my system.

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gbee:

juski: <animation><move speed="1">x,y</move><wait>300</wait><move speed="3">x2,y2</move><rotate speed="2" repeat="yes">360</rotate></animation> or something

[10:08:28]

juski:

yeah something like that

[10:09:00]

juski:

not sure it's worth bothering with the rotate until the translation (compensate for the movement caused by rotation) can be sorted out

[10:09:48]

juski:

maybe I'll get it if I work though some gl tutorials

[10:10:28]

juski:

stabbing at it has got me this far, don't think it'll get me any farther

[10:19:06]

juski:

got this: http://imagebin.ca/img/fKMWG5C.png by if (angle) move right width/2 – which looks better but see the bar at the top. Meh

[10:20:01]

juski:

but hey the buttonlist items are centred in the x axis :D

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juski:

ho ho ho.. http://imagebin.ca/img/26J_3agK.png – if (angle && (xlocation < width)) translate (xlocation + (width/2), 0, 0)

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juski:

ugly hack

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peoples:

hey all

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peoples:

is there any way to compress or convert recordings to e.g. xvid or h264 ?

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peoples:

to save space .. ;)

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peoples:

nuvexport seems to only read the database end export , but in this case there is no way to handle the recordings by e.g. mythweb in the recordings section, right ?

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** juski saved himself the hassle & just got MOARTB **

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gbee:

peoples: you could use an external application, but transcoding to xvid or h.264 is not currently supported, being worked on though

[11:25:28]

gbee:

most people wouldn't want the loss of quality when a 1TB hard drive is so cheap

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peoples:

yes right , but why quality loss ? i've seen xvid movies with 800MB and the quality was exactly the same as the mpg2 recording which has 3gb ?

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[Peter]_:

get a better TV or a new pair of glasses :)

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peoples:

hehe

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gbee:

any transcoding to a new format involves loss of quality, and xvid doesn't achieve such great compression that 3Gb > 800Mb can be achieved without losing something

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juski:

bah. lost my internet connection. had to ring the stupid tech support line

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gbee:

did you try switching it off and on again?

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juski:

heh. yeah several times

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gbee:

Do you see any lights on the front? If not it may not be connected to the power or you may be experiencing a power cut.

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juski:

lol

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juski:

the 'ready' LED was flashing at about 1Hz

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gbee:

by which time I'll have climbed down the line and be throttling the tech support guy

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juski:

which meant their end was foobar

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juski:

they 'sent some signals' which fixed it. or something. so they said

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gbee:

phoned Dave and asked him to kick the box

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jduggan:

lol

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juski:

pity we have to have 3 painters. opengl is neat-o

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laga_:

we have three painters?

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juski:

opengl, qt & VDPAU

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laga_:

oh

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juski:

can't possibly comment on the vdpau painter, not seen what it does yet – nor will I

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juski:

I should update my desktop machine :)

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juski:

could buy a Nvidia ION system for 350 quids. heh

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laga_:

sigh. my eclipse is throwing weird error message

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GreyFoxx:

Hahaha work wants to send me home (I had a cold yesterday) because they are afraid I'm going to infect the office

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quicksilver:

you probably will

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GreyFoxx:

Yet when I said that this morning on the phone to my boss he wanted me to come in anyway, until I got here and he saw I wasn't faking it

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quicksilver:

unclean unclean unclean!

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GreyFoxx:

what a tool

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GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: Everything everywhere is unclean

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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** quicksilver walks in front of GreyFoxx ringing a bell **

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GreyFoxx:

clean is a matter of perspective :)

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GreyFoxx:

bring out the dead ? :)

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laga_:

GreyFoxx: so your boss didn't believe you? wow

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GreyFoxx:

he's been a bit of a tool lately

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GreyFoxx:

really not sure why

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GreyFoxx:

He didn't say he didn't believe me, but as soon as he came over to my desk and saw me he was all " maybe you really should go home...you are sicker than I realized"

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GreyFoxx:

pfft

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sid3windr:

I would have sneezed in his face :>

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whoever_:

hey all, did something have with recording shows in 0–21 I can't schedual shows to record, I can however record shows that are I am currently watching and the 'd' key does not delete a recorded show

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whoever_:

hey all, did something have with recording shows in 0–21 I can't schedual shows to record, I can however record shows that are I am currently watching and the 'd' key does not delete a recorded show

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wagnerrp:

calm down, its only beeen three minutes

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whoever_:

wagnerrp: i am calm, I was testing the keyboard layout I just changed too

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flexy:

Using trunk, I get sometimes grayish/brownish screen with audio OK, when starting to use livetv. I'm using -v playback and logs does not show anything that I would notice... How can I get more detailed info? what should I get to make sense to write up a ticket?

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gbee:

flexy: known bug

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flexy:

gbee: ok.

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gbee:

I have a fix, I just keep forgetting to get it sorted out

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flexy:

huh?

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gbee:

the video is there, it's just being rendered below the theme background

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flexy:

ok

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flexy:

great. then there's nothing for me to do.

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flexy:

I'll keep on trying to get meaningful backtraces on couple of other issues...

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gbee:

flexy could have stuck around to test the patch ...

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gbee:

I've never been able to reproduce the problem

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iamlindoro:

Places to go, people to see

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gbee:

I think I remember what that was like, been chained up in this basement for so long

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gbee:

forced to work on myth in return for food ...

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iamlindoro:

Blah, so given the way the mediahandler stuff works, can anyone think of a better way to determine "watched" status in MythVideo than a timer and a manual toggle?

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gbee:

well there has to be a better way, it would be easier you handed a ProgramInfo pointer to the mediahandler ... since you could query the flag in that after playback

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gbee:

if you

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iamlindoro:

Hmm

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juski:

damn, lost in erm.. thingy. again

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gbee:

that's a bigger job, since done properly ProgramInfo would need to be moved into libmyth (see earlier discussion in -dev channel)

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iamlindoro:

Dunno whether it would be worth committing as I've got it working and then changing the method by which watched is determined later

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gbee:

oh wait, just modify the watched flag code in NVP/ProgramInfo or whereever it is to update the videometadata table when (isVideo && !buffer->IsDVD())

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gbee:

simple if not exactly smart

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juski:

ffs, how much does it cost to move a microphone closer to a person speaking for a web video? damnit

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juski:

http://beyondthetrailer.blip.tv/

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juski:

mmm echoey

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juski:

video production values = sparkly (almost). Audio production values.. nil points

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juski:

audio >> video, web producers

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Yeah, thought about that last night but wasn't sure if it would be an "acceptable" solution

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iamlindoro:

gbee: If that sounds alright I shall do that, then

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gbee:

iamlindoro: we are already doing it for a couple of other things, it's not really a perfect solution, but it's acceptable

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juski:

hmmm. MythQtImage is a member of MythImage, so in theory I should be able to do a image->MythImage::Rotate(angle); ?

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juski:

grr @ ccache

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juski:

hahahahaha. oops

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juski:

I need to set a flag to show the image has already been rotated

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juski:

ooo sugar. way to eat up all your CPU jus

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juski:

nasty

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juski:

damn, doing the rotate from the qt painter ain't gonna cache the image

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juski:

not on its own anyway

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/w-JzMwAJ.html

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juski:

prolly going to be better to rotate the way my original mythimage patch did. but how do I test which painter is being used?

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juski:

hmm. the painter type is tested in mythuitypes IIRC, so...

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juski:

GetMythPainter :)

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iamlindoro:

Blech, we pass so little useful/unique information to the media handler that matching the right record in videometadata could be hard-ish

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juski:

just make a new function to do the query for you?

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iamlindoro:

I'm just tacking it on to ProgramInfo::SetWatchedFlag

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iamlindoro:

It's not a big deal, just that the information passed to programinfo by MythVideo is somewhat scant and may require some regex to "de-massage" it into stuff that matched videometadata fields

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iamlindoro:

matches

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juski:

heh

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gbee:

iamlindoro: filename?

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gbee:

and by filename I mean the absolute path

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gbee:

which is what we lookup the video seektable etc with

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jk1joel:

is there a uPnP client in MythTV that will let me browse and watch video streams on the network from within Myth?

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GreyFoxx:

no, no upnp client, just a upnp server

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iamlindoro:

gbee: AFAIK we only pass a fully formed Myth URL to the player, that's what I meant about having to regex it out into something that matches videometadata

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iamlindoro:

gbee: at least, when playing in SGs, will have to account for both

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iamlindoro:

gbee: but yes, for local that will work

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jk1joel:

I'm hoping to receive a stream from PlayNow so that I can stream netflix movies, but I was hoping not to need another program

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jk1joel:

so it looks like I'll have to launch XBMC or something similar that can be a uPnP client

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jk1joel:

so does mythtv have a mode where it ignores remote keypresses while a child program is running?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: but that url has to be resolved to an absolute file path for playback

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gbee:

in NVP

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iamlindoro:

gbee: But in the case of videometadata + SG, we only have a relative path

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iamlindoro:

gbee: So the only choice is the break that off the end of the myth:// URL

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James192345:

Is anyone here?

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iamlindoro:

only the 218 of us

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James192345:

haha ok didnt see anyone talking. Im new to the whole linux, irc, cool world : )

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kormoc:

nah, 216, chanserve and MythLogBot aren't real

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kormoc:

James192345, well, typically you wait a few minutes before assuming no one is talking

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James192345:

ok

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James192345:

I just installed mythbuntu, and everything is running fine except for live tv. Its all jumpy and unwatchable. Im using a WinTV PVR 150, and saw that that card is very popular to use for this. Any ideas on what could be the problem?

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kormoc:

we would need frontend logs (and use a pastebin (like pastebin.ca ), don't paste into the channel)

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iamlindoro:

Commonly that tends to be a) proprietary video drivers not installed, and b) not using the correct playback profile (Should probably be using Slim)

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James192345:

so my NVIDA drivers could be causing that? And where would I set it to slim?

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Shadow__X:

in the frontend utilities/setup->setup->tv settings->playback

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Shadow__X:

on the third page

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iamlindoro:

^^ Page 3, you probably have something like "CPU++" right now, switch that box to slim

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** iamlindoro has a strong feeling that "TV Settings" needs to be renamed **

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iamlindoro:

or possibly broken out into two items

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GreyFoxx:

ok that's just weird.... the time on my backend just jumped backward 1 hour out of the blue, and myth bitched about being unable to talk to the db and segfaulted

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GreyFoxx:

Must be this graphite theme... tsk tsk ;)

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James192345:

Ok I think its the graphics card messing it up

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Dude clearly didn't know what he was doing-- the menus are are sideways!

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James192345:

I tried to install the restricted drivers or what ever and it said it could not get them

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iamlindoro:

James192345: You're going to need those, most likely

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James192345:

yeah i thought so

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iamlindoro:

Otherwise you are likely just running in VESA mode, which will not work well for myth

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iamlindoro:

re: getting the drivers, #ubuntu-mythtv or #ubuntu would know best for your distro

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kormoc:

James192345, if it's a new install, you likely need to do all the updates first and then reboot, then install the restricted driver, then reboot again

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GreyFoxx:

I just finished rewatching firefly... now I'm all pissy that it was canceled again heh

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: er "are all sideways"

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kormoc:

Kaylee++

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: At least we get a Dollhouse Season 2

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iamlindoro:

Anyone know a quick way to grab everything in a QString right of the third "/"?

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James192345:

is there a way to exit the front end on mythbuntu?

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kormoc:

likely pressing escape enough will get you a prompt

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iamlindoro:

James192345: Press escape until prompted whether you want to exit?

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James192345:

cool thanks. Man I feel like an idiot.

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James192345:

haha 243 updates to install

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gnome42:

James192345: IMHO it is always a safe and usually very good idea to have a look at the logs before changing settings and twiddling drivers.

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James192345:

what would I need to look for in the logs?

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gnome42:

pastebin the output from 'mythfrontend -v playback'

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: FYI: Yesterday I was asking you how you used Jamu, I forgot one other way that I personally use Jamu, That being I run a corn job once a week with the (-MJ) Janitor option to clean up orphaned graphics (Posters, Fan art, Banners). Essentially it does for graphics what the MythVideo scan does for orphaned videometadata records.

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kormoc:

ahh, snazzy

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James192345:

hehe not sure what that means. Remember Im a linux noob. Im guessing copy and paste the output from running myfrontend -v playback in terminal into something

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gnome42:

You can't screw anything up looking at the logs, and if you are new to linux then you can get into trouble fairly easily by changing a bunch settings.

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kormoc:

gnome42, in this case, he's running the nv driver, not the nvidia one

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gnome42:

James192345: yeah, paste to http://pastebin.ca

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gnome42:

kormoc: so am I :)

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James192345:

whats pastebin for? To share terminal outputs?

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: If you decide to try that feature try it once from the command line as "./jamu -MJs" which is a simulation run and you will know what would have been deleted. That is for your own protection. Remove the "s" if you are happy with the simulation run.

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gnome42:

James192345: yeah, for general sharing of stuff like logs.

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kormoc:

gnome42, heh, fair 'nuff

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juski:

damn, some images have been missed

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gnome42:

the nv driver can deal with anything from a pvr150. At least as far as I know ;)

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James192345:

ok I ran that command let me see if I can figure out where to post it on pastebin

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iamlindoro:

mythtv.pastebin.ca

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James192345:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1525306

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James192345:

anything look wrong with it?

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gnome42:

James192345: it looks fine but it looks like you didn't actually try LiveTV :)

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James192345:

I wonder what it was playing then. I hit watch tv, and it showed the channel.

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iamlindoro:

I have a hunch

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iamlindoro:

try

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend.real -v playback

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juski:

wth? now some images are rotated sometimes but not other times

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juski:

wonder if m_isRotated isn't initialised somewhere

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James192345:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1525313

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** iamlindoro blinks confusedly **

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juski:

that damn glass-wide. nothing to do with the problem, though

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juski:

iamlindoro: how's about I visit that effect you wanted hmm? ;-)

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juski:

assuming I finish this qt painter rotate tonight

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iamlindoro:

juski: Heh, which one?

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juski:

the black/whiteout thing

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juski:

got a ticket #?

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iamlindoro:

juski: Ah, yeah, that'd be neat-- I didn't have any particular need for it, was more of a test to start porting the KDEfx stuff over

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juski:

oh well if you don't need it..

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iamlindoro:

#6511

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iamlindoro:

It's basically a port of the same effect from that library-- but if you get this stuff in, I will do my best to learn and maybe try again

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/intensity.png

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iamlindoro:

(not that it doesn't still have value as an effect IMHO)

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juski:

so which part of the shot has the effect?

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh come on with the show boating

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gbee:

juski: the unselected covers

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gbee:

posters

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: it looks so purdy

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Not as though I haven't released the theme already ;)

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juski:

actually while walking the dog earlier I thought of a colour transform effect

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James192345:

Now Im getting mythtv-setup must be run in order to complete MythTV installation. Could that be the problem?

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dubstar_04:

who on here has a macbook pro and what do you think of it?

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James192345:

I have one and love it

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kormoc:

I have a mbp and love it for the most part

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kormoc:

the clicky touchpad is odd

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juski:

could extend the existing make greyscale image & make it do the same with RGB in different amounts

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dubstar_04:

Kormoc: thanks, anything else you dont like?

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kormoc:

nah, that's bout it

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James192345:

haha you say its odd, but I say other laptops clickies are odd now. Once you get used to it, its great.

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kormoc:

nah, I just would rather no buttons then the bottom chunk being the button

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juski:

with that modified we could colourise images without having to use transparent images on top of mono ones :)

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kormoc:

I use tap to click and so the physical click is odd when I tap it and it physically clicks as well as tap clicks

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James192345:

The new MPBs are like that. The whole pad will depress like a button

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kormoc:

not the whole pad, just the bottom

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James192345:

are you sure?

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kormoc:

yeah

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dubstar_04:

Kormoc: do you use osx? is it any good for developing?

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kormoc:

dubstar_04, Aye, Aye

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kormoc:

James192345, just verified, the top half does not depress

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gnome42:

James192345: hmm, I'm baffled by the lack of playback messages in your log.

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dubstar_04:

kormoc: thanks

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juski:

arghhh I'm lost in code again. seem to have misplaced m_rotate

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James192345:

uh oh

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James192345:

I think I broke it

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James192345:

I installed the proprietary drivers for my graphics card and now it wont boot past the mythbuntu loading screen. It just has a black screen now.

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James192345:

Heres what its doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJHxVKyompA

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iamlindoro:

James192345: Press Ctrl-alt-F2 and see if you get a text login prompt

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James192345:

nope nothing

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gbee:

James192345: which card?

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James192345:

PNY NVIDIA 7600 GS

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iamlindoro:

I learned the other day that ubuntu helpfully doesn't run nvidia-xconfig after installing the drivers

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James192345:

im guessing thats bad?

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James192345:

so Im guessing I get to install mythbuntu again?

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iamlindoro:

good lord no

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gbee:

Ctrl-Alt-F3?

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James192345:

I tried all the F keys and nothing

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iamlindoro:

Just get a shell somehow and run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"

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kormoc:

James192345, you tried all the f keys with ctrl and alt pressed at the same time?

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James192345:

yep

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gbee:

getting a shell is going to be tricky if the VTs aren't working

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gbee:

does Mythbuntu not show a grub boot menu with a 'safe mode'?

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juski:

ding dingy ding ding boom boom

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mindoms:

well, np with a live-cd... then copy the last backuped xorg.conf back?!

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gbee:

livecd would let you get in there and manually remove the existing config

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juski:

ugh just realised I have to go back to work tomorrow

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gbee:

you don't want to restore the backup, it's a new card so it's going to be wrong

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mindoms:

you are right. safe mode in grub... that sound better

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James192345:

it says tohit escape for the grub menu, but I hit it and it does nothing

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gbee:

sounds like the keyboard isn't working before X starts

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mindoms:

... does the keybord work in the BIOS?

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jk1joel:

sometimes you have to enter the bios and configure it for a USB keyboard

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James192345:

UPDATE: I got it to work I get blah blah 8.04 blah blah and blah blah 8.04 blah blah Recovery

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** kormoc wonders why one would yell update **

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iamlindoro:

UPDATE: No idea

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gbee:

James192345: guess recovery, different distros call it different things, many don't even include the option

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gbee:

it's analogous to the Windows safe mode though

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mindoms:

not exactly. its just a root shell. no gui, iirc

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kormoc:

And that's bad?

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gbee:

ok, let me rephrase, with some distros it's analogous ...

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gbee:

but either way, the end result is much the same

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gbee:

you can boot the machine into a usable state so that config problems can be fixed

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James192345:

ok after booting recovery I get resume normal boot, repair broken packages, drop to root shell prompt and try to fix x server. Which one should I use?

[18:05:17]

iamlindoro:

I would drop to root shell and run "nvidia-xconfig"

[18:05:19]

iamlindoro:

or rather

[18:05:32]

iamlindoro:

erm, yeah, actually, that's correct if it's a root shell

[18:05:50]

juski:

hmm quick check of the themecache tells me this stuff ain't being treated

[18:05:52]

iamlindoro:

It should give you a message about rewriting your xorg.conf

[18:06:02]

iamlindoro:

At which time you can reboot and hope for the best

[18:08:29]

James192345:

hmm its doing the same thing

[18:08:35]

James192345:

I guess that didnt fix it

[18:09:31]

James192345:

Is there a way to do it by booting the live dvd

[18:15:18]

James192345:

I guess everyone left

[18:15:45]

juski:

****ing ****

[18:15:52]

kormoc:

doubtful

[18:16:08]

kormoc:

it's more that we're not ubuntu folks and don't know the ubuntu way of fixing a ubuntu problem

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nurettin:

hello

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** kormoc tips his hat **

[18:16:38]

James192345:

ah

[18:16:51]

James192345:

How do you guys run mythtv then?

[18:17:07]

kormoc:

personally, I'm a gentoo use and I roll my own ebuilds

[18:17:25]

James192345:

that sounds complicated

[18:17:33]

nurettin:

i am using avermedia remote controller

[18:17:47]

kormoc:

yes, it is complicated, which is why I wouldn't recommend others to do it

[18:18:07]

nurettin:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/avermedia . . . 00031461.jpg

[18:18:51]

nurettin:

and i copied licd.conf file in to /etc/lirc/ http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/avermedia . . . .avermedia98

[18:19:02]

nurettin:

but i cant change channels.

[18:19:17]

nurettin:

i can open and close sound.

[18:23:31]

gnome42:

James192345: yeh, sorry your system got into that state :( I'm not familiar with ubuntu recovery either.

[18:24:21]

James192345:

i guess Im gonna have to reinstall it

[18:24:40]

James192345:

So I need to run that command before restarting after installing the drivers then huh?

[18:25:13]

iamlindoro:

I would strongly recommend going to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv

[18:25:24]

iamlindoro:

reinstalling for a driver issue is like swatting a fly with an elephant gun

[18:25:51]

James192345:

im in ubuntu-mythtv, but nobody has replied

[18:26:46]

James192345:

I guess I can go ahead and put 9.04 on also

[18:27:01]

James192345:

gnome42: what distro are you using?

[18:28:14]

gnome42:

oh, a debian install that's probably 10 years old now. mythbuntu is probably a decent place for you to start.

[18:30:27]

iamlindoro:

James192345: Go to #ubuntu

[18:30:36]

iamlindoro:

James192345: It's like grand central station, but there are people there

[18:32:05]

elmojo:

gnome42: I can no longer break LiveTV – any ideas how to fix that?

[18:32:15]

iamlindoro:

Is #ubuntu-mythtv really that dead? Everyone always says they get no response in there

[18:32:28]

iamlindoro:

laga_: is there a better mythbuntu channel we should be directing people to?

[18:32:47]

gnome42:

elmojo: can't break it? :)

[18:32:56]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: it all depends on the time a day some one goes there

[18:33:13]

elmojo:

gnome42: just a joke – but on a more serious note I had a question about #6612

[18:33:38]

elmojo:

gnome42: I'm still running a couple patches on my backend that you never committed

[18:34:10]

elmojo:

gnome42: just wondering if you forgot or something

[18:34:36]

gnome42:

ah, ok. I wasn't sure if you were using any of them, sorta thought you weren't.

[18:35:20]

gnome42:

didn't tottally forget, but thought those patches weren't needed.

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elmojo:

i've been running these 2: DTV_StartNewFile_debug.diff LiveTV_DTV_ringbuffer_check_debug2.diff

[18:36:27]

elmojo:

are they just good for debug purposes?

[18:37:03]

gnome42:

Ahh, ok. The ringbuffer check one can probably go in, it prevents getting a PayLoad start while still tuning in LiveTV.

[18:37:37]

elmojo:

I thought you mentioned you wanted to change it to eliminate something but my memory is fuzzy

[18:38:02]

gnome42:

The other is technically correct I think but the implementation has to be massaged a little.

[18:39:08]

gnome42:

oh, yeah. I thought I might be able to remove the need for the ringbuffer check but wasn't successful and that would be a bigger change at this point.

[18:39:27]

elmojo:

cool

[18:43:05]

gnome42:

elmojo: do things work properly for you if you rewind to the previous program? (in livetv)

[18:43:19]

elmojo:

gnome42: seems to

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gnome42:

hmm, skipping around isn't messed up or anything?

[18:44:20]

elmojo:

I don't do it that much, but I have some and it seemed to work OK

[18:44:35]

elmojo:

but I must admit I'm suprised

[18:44:57]

elmojo:

since the LiveTV chain gets updated so much you'd think it would have some corner cases

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gnome42:

yeah, there are still a few bugs that I was expecting to hear reports of too. :)

[18:47:16]

elmojo:

hmm – you said "rewind" which I don't do much but I do skip around and haven't noticed much

[18:47:47]

elmojo:

do you already have patches? :)

[18:48:03]

gnome42:

yeah, I meant rewind past the start of the current program into the previous program. ie. After a transition or two has occured.

[18:48:54]

elmojo:

you want me to do some digging on it and report back?

[18:49:07]

gnome42:

yeah, I got a few small patches but don't want to confuse things unnecessarily.

[18:50:01]

elmojo:

want me to open up tickets with logs for you?

[18:50:12]

gnome42:

sure, you are an excellent tester, I'm (almost) always interested in your reports. :)

[18:50:28]

gnome42:

for what problem?

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elmojo:

ok – i'll get started

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** juski tries a distclean **

[18:51:01]

elmojo:

for the LiveTV rewind/skip transition problems

[18:51:18]

gnome42:

ok, sure if you can find them.

[18:52:00]

gnome42:

elmojo: not hd-pvr stuff though, I believe it still has issues.

[18:52:19]

elmojo:

I don't have one anyways :)

[18:52:29]

gnome42:

k, cool.

[18:52:45]

elmojo:

you interested in pvr-x50 to HDQAM transitions?

[18:52:50]

elmojo:

or just keep it simple for now

[18:54:56]

elmojo:

gnome42: I ran into another FFMPEG regression – in case you have any issues with your pvr-150 recordings my ticket has a little hack to work around them here -> https://roundup.ffmpeg.org/roundup/ffmpeg/issue1306

[18:55:48]

elmojo:

I capture my recordings at 6 Mbps so that might be a little higher than normal which maybe why I haven't seen others complain

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James192345:

Ok, I have 9.04 on now, and now when I hit Watch TV, it just sorta blinks mythtv. Any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you've not yet run through mythtv-setup

[18:58:21]

iamlindoro:

but regardless, the backend logs will tell you for sure

[18:58:36]

iamlindoro:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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James192345:

hmm I exited mythtv, and just have a blank screen now

[18:59:09]

gnome42:

elmojo: Excellent work tracking down and keeping tabs on these regressions! Very useful.

[18:59:35]

James192345:

is there a way to restart the desktop, sorta like starting explorer on windows

[18:59:36]

iamlindoro:

Sure the menubar isn't just overscanned of the edge of the screen?

[18:59:44]

James192345:

might be

[18:59:51]

iamlindoro:

Move your mouse to the top leftmost and click

[19:00:01]

iamlindoro:

as in, off the screen if possible

[19:00:01]

gnome42:

what happen with the previous ffmpeg audio bug? Did it get committed to ffmpeg?

[19:00:14]

James192345:

nothing happens

[19:00:18]

James192345:

it stays on screen

[19:00:31]

iamlindoro:

What happens if you press alt-f2

[19:00:45]

iamlindoro:

note that's alt-f2, not ctrl-alt-f2

[19:01:13]

James192345:

terminal comes up

[19:01:27]

iamlindoro:

Erm... terminal? Not a prompt to run a program?

[19:01:36]

James192345:

yeah run program sorry

[19:01:54]

iamlindoro:

Then you haven't lost the wm, the menu bars are somewhere offscreen

[19:02:01]

elmojo:

gnome42: no but I pinged the dev who committed it the other day about it

[19:03:12]

elmojo:

gnome42: it's a rare problem so not a big deal

[19:03:18]

gnome42:

k, cool. And you made or will make janneg aware of any outstanding stuff before 0.22?

[19:03:38]

gnome42:

yeah, I think I've hit the video codec detection problem.

[19:04:06]

elmojo:

i chatted with him the other day about the latest regression – he seems to want to get things fixed upstream first and then capture the changes with a new resync

[19:04:07]

James192345:

ok I restarted it, and I have the desktop now

[19:04:32]

elmojo:

gnome42: of course the latest regression is more serious

[19:04:51]

gnome42:

k, cool. As long as he is in the loop.

[19:05:39]

elmojo:

sure – they are very simple fixes so I figure it could easily be back ported after a release

[19:06:04]

James192345:

is .22 coming soon?

[19:06:07]

elmojo:

my main objective is to make devs aware so they don't waste time on bugs that aren't mythtv specific

[19:06:16]

iamlindoro:

James192345: Soon, yes, but with no established date

[19:06:34]

James192345:

is there a place to read whats going to be new features?

[19:07:06]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22

[19:07:09]

gnome42:

James192345: it's always just over the next hill :)

[19:07:13]

iamlindoro:

That's pretty painfully out of date, but it gives some ideas

[19:07:19]

elmojo:

gnome: oh so you think you've hit this one too -> https://roundup.ffmpeg.org/roundup/ffmpeg/issue1306

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elmojo:

gnome42: what bitrate do you capture at?

[19:08:13]

gnome42:

yeah, I do. I think there is a livetv ticket that is likely caused by that as well.

[19:08:35]

gnome42:

fairly low I think. ~2.1 GB/hr

[19:08:41]

James192345:

You know, it would be cool if myth phone used could use skype or vonage

[19:09:01]

iamlindoro:

James192345: MythPhone has been removed

[19:09:03]

gnome42:

myth phone is in heaven now :)

[19:09:10]

James192345:

poor thing

[19:09:16]

elmojo:

gnome42: that's the rate I'm using too which should be close to 6 Mbps

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elmojo:

gnome42: I guess the FFMPEG hacks could be committed with FIXME comments that point to the FFMPEG roundup ticket

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gnome42:

elmojo: as long as janneg is aware of the issues I have no worries :)

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elmojo:

gnome42: you think I should commit a mythtv ticket and reference the FFMPEG ticket?

[19:12:16]

James192345:

are you guys all out of college and stuff?

[19:12:36]

iamlindoro:

James192345: Variable ages

[19:13:40]

James192345:

I start college in a week to major in computer science. Kinda nervous after messing with this stuff.

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gnome42:

elmojo: maybe make a note on the ffmpeg sync ticket. I think that is where Janne likes to track these things.

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elmojo:

gnome42: that ticket is locked and for good reason :)

[19:15:10]

gnome42:

oh, then you should consult with Janne. I don't want to stick my hand in the pie. :)

[19:15:20]

laga_:

iamlindoro: #ubuntu-mythtv is #mythbuntu AFAIK

[19:15:35]

elmojo:

gnome42: me neither :)

[19:15:45]

laga_:

James192345: i'm in college. don't worry, you will be ok

[19:16:45]

James192345:

laga_: cool thanks

[19:17:15]

James192345:

What is the Samba Server? After updating this stuff, it wants me to do something about it.

[19:17:48]

iamlindoro:

Samba is the open source "windows share/domain" server

[19:18:18]

iamlindoro:

for most people that means nothing more than being able to create windows shares on their linux box, but there's more to it

[19:18:19]

elmojo:

gnome42: like I say – I've mentioned the latest problem to him and pointed him to the roundup ticket so I'll leave it be

[19:18:40]

gnome42:

yeah, that's fine.

[19:18:45]

elmojo:

gnome42: any chance you know the ticket for the LiveTV problem you suspect may be related?

[19:18:56]

gnome42:

one sec ..

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gnome42:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6728

[19:21:33]

elmojo:

you want me to attach a patch to that ticket and have him test it?

[19:21:54]

James192345:

ok, when hitting watch tv, it just blinks mythtv, what did you say to check?

[19:22:01]

gnome42:

sure

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iamlindoro:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[19:22:48]

elmojo:

then if that works maybe you can just change the title of the ticket to something more appropriate

[19:24:22]

gnome42:

yeah, would be good to get confirmation if it fixes his problem. Not sure if I could edit the title of the ticket but it doesn't matter.

[19:24:46]

James192345:

iamlindoro: how do I navigate to that? I put that in terminal and it says access denied.

[19:24:59]

iamlindoro:

It's a file, not a command :)

[19:25:10]

iamlindoro:

cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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James192345:

windows has explorer, what the linux or ubuntu equivalent?

[19:26:19]

iamlindoro:

Erm... I dunno... I don't really navigate files that way... probably Nautilus

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janneg:

gnome42: I'm aware of the issue

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gnome42:

k, thanks for the ack.

[19:28:09]

gbee:

Ubuntu? dunno, KDE3 would be konqueror, KDE4 it's dolphin

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laga_:

ls

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iamlindoro:

ls is the gentoo file browser

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iamlindoro:

;)

[19:29:21]

iamlindoro:

or, alternately, exherbo

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James192345:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/1525493

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iamlindoro:

James192345: So you don't have any channels-- means you have not completed all of the steps in mythtv-setup

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James192345:

ok, let me see if I can figure out how to complete it

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elmojo:

gnome42: i've updated the ticket

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elmojo:

janneg: thanks

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James192345:

can you tell what still needs to be set up? It looks like I set everything

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iamlindoro:

You have no channels

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elmojo:

janneg: in case you're not aware (very old bug) -> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6609

[19:34:57]

iamlindoro:

which means you haven't fetched them from the listings source (which is your case should be your schedules direct account)

[19:34:58]

James192345:

I ran the channel scanner and I see a whole list of them

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iamlindoro:

Need to read the documentation

[19:35:21]

iamlindoro:

analog tuners should not scan

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James192345:

well when I hit Fetch channels it doesnt do anything

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iamlindoro:

Do you have a schedules direct account with your lineup set up?

[19:40:06]

janneg:

elmojo: that's on my list. if only ffmpeg devs would work faster

[19:40:46]

James192345:

set it to the schedules direct and us-cable. Can I set it to my region somewhere?

[19:41:11]

iamlindoro:

James192345: No, you set up your lineup at schedules direct

[19:42:02]

James192345:

ok

[19:42:25]

James192345:

ill have to look and make sure thats right, now when I hit watch tv, the screen goes black

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elmojo:

janneg: cool, understood.

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elmojo:

gnome42: do you have any digital recorders?

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James192345:

iamlindoro: youre talking about under video sources, setting the data direct line up?

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iamlindoro:

James192345: Honestly, this is basic setup stuff, you really really need to be reading the manual (and the Mythbuntu manual PDF they distribute)

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iamlindoro:

James192345: I'm at work, I really can't walk you through the stuff that's in the manual

[19:47:18]

James192345:

ah ok. Ill see if I can find the manual.

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brad2:

hey guys

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I think I committed graphite with one or two uncommitted feature textareas/widgets

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brad2:

that will give people something to figure ot

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brad2:

out

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brad2:

like a puzzle ;)

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iamlindoro:

Nah, I'll commit the outstanding stuff tonight I hope

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laga_:

XMLTV is planning a 1.0 release. yay.

[20:01:22]

iamlindoro:

Cool

[20:01:34]

iamlindoro:

I look forward to our using their setup API thingamajiggy

[20:01:50]

laga_:

oh yes

[20:03:03]

Senkrad_Luna:

Hey everyone. My system is failing to update my storage space, after it filled up. I can still watch the files but deleting files does not show that more space is available. Going to the storage directory via the file browser is also not updating the space when deleting files manually. My searching for solutions is not producing any useful results. Any suggestions?

[20:03:15]

Senkrad_Luna:

I have deleted files by the front end. Restarted the system. Shutdown the system for 10 mins and restarted it. Done mythfilldatabase. Checked mythtv-setup. Left the system alone for 6 hours. And it is still not showing. It is also not recording I expect because it thinks the drive is full.

[20:04:17]

Dagmar:

Mailing lists are the place to spew 1,000's of characters

[20:04:53]

Senkrad_Luna:

Not normally, I was trying to provide reasonable details without going overboard.

[20:04:56]

Dagmar:

It would also help if you mentioned _how_ the system is indicating to you that it has no free space available.

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Dagmar:

You went overboard.

[20:05:13]

Dagmar:

That's a lot of text with little useful detail.

[20:05:16]

Dagmar:

I'm just sayin'

[20:06:26]

Senkrad_Luna:

I used the file browser to check the storage directory. I also used the frontend to check the system info.

[20:06:39]

Dagmar:

Did you try using `df`

[20:06:59]

Dagmar:

There's plenty of conditions under which it *won't* delete files immediately when you tell it through the frontend

[20:07:31]

Dagmar:

...mainly when people enable slow deletes because they used ext3 for storage

[20:07:34]

janneg:

elmojo: btw I have impression that a patch with description get's applied faster if posted to ffmpeg-devel instead of roundup

[20:08:14]

Dagmar:

The backend logs shoudl be saying something explicit why it did or didn't record something

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Senkrad_Luna:

I left it for 6 hours and still the space did not update.

[20:09:27]

Dagmar:

Hmm... comms problem

[20:09:28]

Senkrad_Luna:

df show my volume group with 100% used of 1.8TB space.

[20:09:45]

Dagmar:

OKay so check the backend logs

[20:10:07]

Dagmar:

...and if this is all one filesystem, it's stuck because you'ev broken the database.

[20:10:12]

Dagmar:

Never let / get full. EVER.

[20:10:25]

Dagmar:

Never let the filesystem containing the database get full, either.

[20:10:49]

** iamlindoro considers reviving #3008 **

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elmojo:

janneg: I did that for roundup 1149

[20:12:41]

Senkrad_Luna:

I have used lvm to separate out my storage.

[20:12:43]

elmojo:

janneg: Unfortunately I don't have a "real" patch for 1306 – reverting a couple changesets is the only solution I have

[20:13:30]

Senkrad_Luna:

Thanks for the help. I'm able to do some more internet hunting now. I'll come back if I hit a dead end.

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elmojo:

janneg: thanks for applying #6609 – one less patch to deal with :)

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sgtpepper:

Is anyone using mythtv with dvb-s poiniting the the amazonas satellite?

[20:19:13]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: I think I am going to rewrite #3008 (sort/browse MythVideo by Genre/Category/etc.). Since it got closed for being too limited, can you tell me what other criterion you had wanted him to have?

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janneg:

elmojo: you're welcome. issue1306 is unfortunately not that easy

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elmojo:

janneg: yes, I noticed after I submitted 1306 that it's a duplicate of -> https://roundup.ffmpeg.org/roundup/ffmpeg/issue1286

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elmojo:

janneg: Maybe having the issue reported more than once might help get it noticed :) – Plus I want my sample to be evaluated too

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Thanks for the tip about mediawiki. At least now I will not be flooding the MythTV wiki when editing a wiki page.

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juski:

arghhh so close

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juski:

hey, I dunno if I ever even tested this code on the qt painter the other day. not that it should've made any difference

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juski:

wha? clear the themecache & different images appear unrotated. that smells to me like an uninitialised something

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gbee:

juski: have you initialised m_isRotated or whatever you called it in the mythimage constructor?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

erm I think I have

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janneg:

elmojo: is your sample also a mpeg pes file? if yes how's that related to mythtv? mythvideo?

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juski:

fixed it for now by taking out the test of m_isRotated in the rotate function

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android6011:

im about to commit to a tv tuner with analog, which one should I go with. I don't mind buying one used, dual tuner is a bonus. I want good analog quality. on board encoder, which card is right for me?

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android6011:

i already have an hvr 1800 with atsc/clear qam working so im not too worried about digital

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android6011:

and my tv wonder ve isnt cutting it as far as quality, and uses too much cpu for the system its in

[20:57:22]

gizmobay:

On DVB OTA is there a way to set a minimum detection limit? If I get a bad signal, the frontend hangs.

[20:58:13]

juski:

MOARSIGNL

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay: You're no on DVB, and no

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iamlindoro:

(you're on ATSC)

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juski:

BETTRSIGNL!

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juski:

MOARBETTRSIGNL

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gizmobay:

yes ATSC

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iamlindoro:

Which is not DVB :)

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juski:

I'll have to get back to this tomorrow after work. Been a productive day in all :)

[20:59:42]

gizmobay:

what's the difference

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juski:

dreading going back. A lot can happen in the time a guy's off

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay: One is used in Europe and other parts of the world, one is used in north america

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay: totally different digital broadcast systems

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laga_:

TDDBS. yay.

[21:01:36]

gizmobay:

Oh, I see. Just went to wikipedia

[21:02:14]

gizmobay:

can I set a minimum threshold on ATSC :)

[21:02:46]

iamlindoro:

no

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gizmobay:

bummer

[21:02:57]

iamlindoro:

could just fix your signal

[21:03:14]

gizmobay:

sometimes it's good and sometimes bad

[21:03:15]

iamlindoro:

if you're OTA, get a better antenna/align it better/aplify it properly

[21:03:32]

iamlindoro:

sometimes good and sometimes bad is still a sign of bad alignment/insufficient antenna

[21:03:32]

gizmobay:

yeah, I do have the cheapy antenna

[21:03:40]

Shadow__X:

so get a better one

[21:03:46]

Shadow__X:

mythtv isnt about cutting corners

[21:03:54]

Shadow__X:

or atleast thats my interpretation

[21:04:05]

Shadow__X:

the more corners you cut the worse the end protect is

[21:04:12]

gizmobay:

yeah true

[21:04:40]

gizmobay:

I may be upgrading to cable HD so I'm going to wait

[21:04:49]

gizmobay:

Qwest stopped cable TV

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gizmobay:

They only have DirectTV

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gizmobay:

in a month that is

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Shadow__X:

directTV isnt plug an play with mythtv either from my understanding

[21:07:04]

Shadow__X:

gizmobay: just follow iamlindoro 's advise and you should be good to go

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RyeBrye:

is the hd-pvr remote working as a lirc input?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: No, not yet

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: it is being worked on though correct?

[21:08:02]

gizmobay:

I'm probably going to go with Cox

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Shadow__X:

i am just not sure how far along it may be

[21:08:03]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Well... sorta

[21:08:18]

gizmobay:

I don't want a dish on my patio

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: There has been some work done on it, but it's generally low priority as the people doing the work also tend to work on stuff we would all rather have them work on

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elmojo:

janneg: it's an pvr-x50 recording so it's an MPEG-PS

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: oh ok thats understandable

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orogor:

hi here

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elmojo:

janneg: just assumed it's the same fundamental issue

[21:09:45]

orogor:

http://pastebin.com/m30958edb

[21:10:11]

orogor:

there are some channle mythtv can t read , but they works fine in vlc, anyone knows why ?

[21:10:55]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, threading the image loading is only going to work for local images, for storage group images we'd need to thread RemoteFile too

[21:11:14]

iamlindoro:

gbee: oof, bummer

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iamlindoro:

wonder is Captain_Murdoch has anything like that in mind

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elmojo:

janneg: in a nutshell both 1286 and 1306 are fixed by reverting r19000 and r19272 so I assumed they were dupes

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gbee:

not going to have time to do both, but on the other hand, RemoteFile really needs to be in threaded anyway

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RyeBrye:

http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-extras-commits/2009-08/msg03529.html shows a recent hdpvr commit by jarod related to lirc, just wondering if it was significant

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gbee:

j-rod: ^^

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gbee:

iamlindoro: actually, if I change how I was going to do this, I could cover both in one go

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** gbee puts his thinking cap on **

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gbee:

ok, maybe I can make this work

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janneg:

elmojo: yes, probably caused by the same bug so dups. I just wanted make sure it affect mpeg pes and mpeg ps

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** iamlindoro beer gbee **

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iamlindoro:

beers

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Senkrad_Luna:

Hi everyone. Okay I have made progress, however now my backend is crashing and restarting about every minute. Log is not showing any errors I can see. Tried a reset of the clock skew with no obvious result.

[21:25:08]

iamlindoro:

curse my seventh grade reading level

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: At the time it wasn't much more to sort by nearly every useful field

[21:26:41]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Okay, will see what I can get it to sort by and then bounce it off of you

[21:28:36]

orogor:

http://pastebin.com/m22a1dd62

[21:28:55]

orogor:

i tried a verbose all when switchin to a channel taht doesn t works

[21:29:16]

orogor:

if anyone ahs any idea

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: No need to bounce, just check it in, if I want something else sorted I'll just add it. Unless you break things for an extended period of time I'm unlikely to object to anything you do.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: ok

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Senkrad_Luna:

Any suggestions on what to search for or where to look to track down why my backend is now restarting about once per minute?

[21:41:19]

mzb:

# tail -F /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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mzb:

(and/or increase log verbosity)

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Senkrad_Luna:

Been repeatedly doing tail -n 200 and not seen anything useful. Using tail -F now and learning about verbosity I'll be back. Thanks for the help.

[21:46:53]

iamlindoro:

A backend will never restart itself

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iamlindoro:

If you're running some sort of process tracker, don't do that

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Senkrad_Luna:

I don't think I am.

[21:47:37]

iamlindoro:

Well it'll never restart itself, soooooo

[21:47:40]

iamlindoro:

You are :)

[21:48:09]

iamlindoro:

(or the authors of your distro have "helped")

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Senkrad_Luna:

Though I am using mythdora, maybe they set something up. Thanks I'll try looking into that too.

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iamlindoro:

On slow machines, sometimes things like monit and pcsk will kill the backend because they've decided it's dead when it's not

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iamlindoro:

The backend will usually run a reschedule on starting, which on slower hardware can make it *seem* to those programs like it is gone, when it's really not

[21:50:17]

iamlindoro:

likewise when mythfilldatabase runs

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Senkrad_Luna:

Thanks a lot. I'm now looking into those as well. I really appreciate the help.

[21:53:46]

iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Out of curiosity, are you on slower hardware?

[21:55:14]

mzb:

any multi-seat users awake? I'd like to know if xscreensaver can be independent of active seats

[22:00:47]

mzb:

ah, dm ... seems to be working

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mzb:

though I had set it to 10mins (default), but it took 30+mins to activate

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mzb:

s/thought

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Senkrad_Luna:

I don't think so, though I could go faster. Checking cpuinfo I have a 4850e (2GHz iirc) but it is showing as 1000 MHz, that does not seem like it would be normal.

[22:04:15]

clever:

Senkrad_Luna: might be cpufreq scalling

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clever:

Senkrad_Luna: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies

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clever:

mine contains 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000, so it can run at 600mhz 800mhz 1ghz 1.2ghz 1.4ghz and 1.6ghz

[22:05:45]

clever:

some distro's will run powernowd by default, which keeps you in the lowest freq until the cpu usage needs something more

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Senkrad_Luna:

Thanks forgot about that part of the chip, mine has a max of 2.5GHz

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gbee:

Senkrad_Luna: the CPU reduces it's clock speed dynamically to save power, it will scale upto 2.5Ghz when required

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gbee:

and most modern distros don't run userspace applications like powernow or cpufreq, the functionality was moved into the kernel some time back

[22:09:53]

Senkrad_Luna:

That is over my head but I will try to keep it in mind.

[22:10:17]

clever:

i'm still running a year old version of ubuntu, but i think the powernowd has more flexible options if you wanted to tweak the scalling

[22:10:47]

clever:

an example, the whole system 'locks up' for ~15 seconds when changing freq, so i wanted to fine tune it to change alot less often

[22:12:22]

clever:

just the cpu from running ls would make it jump up to 1ghz, then when i type the next command it jumps down and misses a few characters

[22:12:42]

laga_:

do you have ANY working computers?

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Senkrad_Luna:

No performance issues yet aside from my back end restarting every minute. monit and pcsk do not seem to be running but I will do some more checking on what the mythdora team might have set up to monitor the backend and come back.

[22:13:07]

clever:

laga_: that was actualy just the 1st computer with scalling support, i think its counting the bogomips again for the timing loops

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clever:

laga_: i checked cpuinfo and the bogomips was changing each time, never landing in the same exact place twice

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gbee:

start the backend manually from a terminal after shutting it down from the init script, what happens then?

[22:14:56]

clever:

every other system has the scalling working perfectly and you dont even notice the changes

[22:14:57]

laga_:

yeah, i guess then it makes sense that it loses characters

[22:15:24]

clever:

the buffers for the keyboard/mouse/serial would simply overflow because it was in a tight busy loop for too long

[22:15:48]

clever:

i simply turned it off at first and manualy changed it when needed

[22:16:16]

Dagmar:

Update the thing

[22:16:18]

Dagmar:

Those are old bugs.

[22:16:20]

gbee:

clever: we get the picture, we don't need the essay

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** laga_ would have killed it with fire **

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** kormoc hands laga_ a lighter **

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laga_:

heh. i had a dream the other day where i told an acquaintance to get some gas and a match stick and set PHP on fire. i'm glad i have a vacation coming up :)

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Senkrad_Luna:

I turned on the mythdora database checker details to solve are here http://www.mythdora.com/?q=node/4011 . Thanks everyone for your help.

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Senkrad_Luna:

It has a bug in it. I recall I tried it a year ago but I was so focused on fixing my crash I forgot that, that is what happens when it is activated.

[22:21:06]

Senkrad_Luna:

I think my system might be happy again.

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netrix_:

hi ... simple question. what is the key in mythmusic that lets you change your artwork? ie. selecting the cover, back and cd shots? for the life of me I can't remember what key it is.

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gbee:

i

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laga_:

u?

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netrix_:

nope.

[22:24:06]

netrix_:

i is track information....

[22:24:23]

netrix_:

u doesn't do anything, inside track info or otherwise.

[22:24:56]

netrix_:

you guys know what i am talking about? when you can select the back front and cd image when you have multiple jpegs. i used to do it all the time ... and can't remember what key it is.

[22:25:10]

netrix_:

mashing the keyboard hasn't helped either. :-p

[22:25:27]

gbee:

netrix_: i, bottom of the page "Album Art"

[22:26:08]

netrix_:

gbee: let me switch my theme back, i'm not seeing it.

[22:26:49]

gbee:

which theme?

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orogor:

anyone may help me to know why i can t watch some channels with myth ?

[22:27:40]

netrix_:

gbee: projectgrayhem-wide

[22:27:48]

netrix_:

arghhhh!

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netrix_:

gbee: there is is ... the button is missing from the theme i was using. thought i was losing my mind.

[22:28:18]

gbee:

I knew you'd say that, wait a minute while I break the legs of the themer

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** gbee breaks juski's legs **

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netrix_:

gbee: just don't break his hands.... i really like that theme and maybe he'll fix it.

[22:29:01]

gbee:

but in all seriousness, juski ^^

[22:29:23]

gbee:

actually I half suspected you were going to say Metallurgy

[22:30:05]

gbee:

the problem will be fixed in 0.22 anyway, PG isn't going to work anymore

[22:30:43]

gbee:

unless juski updates it and I think it's safe to say he won't want to

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netrix_:

i used to use MythCenter for a long time but found it too bright so I recently switched all my frontends to ProjectGreyhem.

[22:31:36]

netrix_:

gbee: thanks, i'll wait for 0.22 and maybe just flip between gant and projectgreyhem for now ....

[22:31:58]

netrix_:

thanks for confirming it too, thought i was losing my mind when i couldn't find the album art button :)

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gbee:

netrix_: if juski doesn't fix it, I will, but it would be easier if he did it

[22:33:10]

netrix_:

gbee: that'd be awesome.

[22:34:15]

netrix_:

will there every be any updates to mythmusic? i use it a lot... i know it's been kind of at a stand still for a while.

[22:35:18]

gbee:

netrix_: nothing to the UI, just ran out of time, it will be very different for 0.23

[22:36:19]

jduggan:

hmm, im finding alot about channel 5 not having EIT, but no fix or cause, people suggesting use active eit which im using? is there a problem getting eit from 5 ?

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gbee:

only notable changes for 0.22 will be greatly extended format support and if I can twist GreyFoxx's arm, streaming from the backend to the frontends so no need for NFS anymore

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netrix_:

gbee: well that will be a worthwhile addition for sure.

[22:36:58]

netrix_:

gbee: the only thing i want to see in the frontend is a better search.

[22:37:05]

gbee:

better how?

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gbee:

just so I know when I come to rewrite it

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gbee:

or you mean browsing by genre/artist/album/year etc?

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netrix_:

gbee: so the individual fields can be searched.

[22:38:03]

netrix_:

yes exactly.

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netrix_:

gbee: the search results window is tiny too, and some of the details are cut off.

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gbee:

right, well that's definately on my list so assuming I have the time then it will happen for 0.23 which we hope will be a pretty quick release, maybe 6 months after 0.22

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netrix_:

last thing is when you find something, instead of inserting into the playlist it'd be nice to just jump to that song within the current playlist. the options now are replace, insert, append to end.

[22:39:57]

gbee:

the UI will be completely rewritten so problems like that should get fixed

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netrix_:

gbee: cool ... so glad i ran into you on here.

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netrix_:

gbee: despite it's shortcomings i refuse to use anything else. mythmusic is so nicely integrated into the frontend and my less than technical gf and friends have no problem interacting with the current ui despite the few quibbles i have about it.

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netrix_:

going to work, thanks again gbee!

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unimaginative:

Can anyone tell me what this is called? there s a horizontal "line" on my TV that's only visible during periods of high motion. it's not obvious, just that region of the screen seems to be a frame behind

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iamlindoro:

tearing

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unimaginative:

"Screen tearing?"

[22:50:49]

iamlindoro:

Generally speaking, we just call it tearing

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unimaginative:

Awesome, there's an image of it on wikipedia, that's exactly what it is

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unimaginative:

now I can figure out what's causing it

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unimaginative:

I'm using DRM for video timing

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I have the watched patch done and working, but it does require a small patch to programinfo-- would you care to review?

[22:59:22]

iamlindoro:

(or anyone else with general commit "ok")

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James192345:

anyone here have an iPhone?

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[23:18:11]

juski:

what was that about pg-wide?

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juski:

something about a missing button?

[23:19:13]

gbee:

missing button in the metadata edit screen

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juski:

in mythmusic?

[23:19:23]

gbee:

mythmusic

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juski:

thought I fixed that

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gbee:

guess it's possible he's using an older version

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juski:

maybe I did on the others but missed one

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juski:

I'll take a look at it now, might take my mind off you know what

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juski:

I was trying to get to sleep, closed my eyes & all I could see was this clock, with sweeping hands rotating about its centre

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juski:

hell I've even started to think about how to fettle some different transitions into the UI. I'm doomed

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** iamlindoro shudders and switches to GANT to edit 4:3 default themes **

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kormoc:

Woo GANT 4 LIFE yo!

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jduggan:

heh

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juski:

I do wish somebody would say "qt painter? WHAT qt painter?" though

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iamlindoro:

We can never have acceptable UI when the painter let's clever's hardware in the door ;)

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juski:

ah crap. my local checkout of -fixes wasn't done through svn+ssh

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iamlindoro:

What the

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iamlindoro:

who left an alphapulsing square in the middle of the gant menus?

[23:25:48]

iamlindoro:

Well that confused me

[23:26:00]

iamlindoro:

Instead of the "MythTV" watermark, it showed up as above

[23:26:05]

iamlindoro:

restart fixed it

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juski:

not guilty, I hope

[23:26:20]

iamlindoro:

no, not applied yet

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juski:

wow I remembered the whole url

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iamlindoro:

I think I'll make my first theme task to make these edit metadata screens make sense

[23:27:33]

juski:

which button was missing?

[23:27:55]

juski:

album art.. hmmm

[23:28:26]

juski:

yup, sure is missing

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[23:29:47]

juski:

missing from all mine in -fixes AFAICT. Bugger

[23:30:09]

juski:

I'll do em tomorrow if I get time when I'm at work

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juski:

assuming I'm in the mood – i.e. there's no bad news

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iamlindoro:

Anyone be totally offended if I redrew a couple of the default widgets a bit (but kept them the same dimensions)?

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juski:

gah, what's the right string to override ThemePainter to gl again?

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juski:

-O ThemePainter= ?

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iamlindoro:

-O ThemePainter=opengl

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juski:

wha? why's my printscreen button not working?

[23:40:23]

juski:

worked earlier.. bah

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juski:

oops. my / is 92% full

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juski:

maybe that's it

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: What widgets?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, The checkbox and maybe the small buttons in the edit metadata screen

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gbee:

iamlindoro: not at all

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