Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 9th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

Yes, Myth organizes music, yes it has a dedicated player

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stuarta:

not quite sure why that require rofl...

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Dagmar:

Because really stupid people think everything is funny

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stuarta:

ah

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** stuarta beers Dagmar **

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Dagmar:

After a YEAR of studiously ignoring library upgrades to MythTV, I am now upgrading my box.

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Dagmar:

So... whiskey I think. Not beer.

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stuarta:

rum?

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stuarta:

or vodka?

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Dagmar:

I have both

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** stuarta considers drink trolley **

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Dagmar:

So far x264, faac, and faad2 built okay

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Dagmar:

I've really gotta consider making a test harness for those damn things at some point

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stuarta:

actually, whiskey x3, port, gin, baileys, and a few other things

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Dagmar:

I don't like the "they didn't burst into flames" metric for testing

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iamlindoro:

whiskeyx3 would be an awesome filesystem

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stuarta:

it's a good starting point

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Dagmar:

I'm building ffmpeg right now

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stuarta:

dunno why, myth has it's own

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Dagmar:

Whoo! ffmpeg-svn19609-k8–1mythtv.tgz built

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stuarta:

iamlindoro: cask strength whiskey is an even better FS :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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stuarta:

faster++

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** iamlindoro has some whisky from the cask he picked up in Scotland that he plans to drink someday soon **

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stuarta:

any day is a good day for whiskey....

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iamlindoro:

can't easily get more, so needs to be a special occasion :)

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iamlindoro:

ooooh, Captain_Murdoch is going to be using recordedfile... ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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** stuarta sends iamlindoro a virtual bottle **

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** iamlindoro gets virtually hammered **

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** stuarta gets properly hammered **

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stuarta:

i've run out of finger for the rum n cokes :)

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stuarta:

fingers

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, so it seems you're doing a lot of foundation work for the multi-file stuff, does that mean it's looming?

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Captain_Murdoch:

means I'm working on it during some free time I have this month. :) I'm hooking up the delete code for the recordedfile table right now. have a proof of concept for playing those videos, but still need to think through a lot of things.

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Captain_Murdoch:

auto-expire, managing files, transcoder saving the old copy in recordedfile instead of orphaning a .tmp file out there, etc..

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loosr:

can install mythtv without perl and python USE flags?

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stuarta:

gentoo crap, but yes

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, cool, I have random fantasies of looking at the code with an eye to "uPnP profiles"

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ie have a transcode that is served up via uPnP when a particular device "signature" requests it

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's one of the thoughts, same for MythWeb, so you can pre-transcode a video for streaming and have it tracked with the recording.

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loosr:

I am trying to install offline and there's a snipet in the ebuild that wants to use svn despite the fact that I already have the sauce downloaded

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stuarta:

that's a gentoo specific oddity then

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loosr:

damn

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stuarta:

suggest beating them with a very smelly trout

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loosr:

sh: ./configure: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

which means whatever directory you're in doesn't contain the configure script

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** stuarta yawns **

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** iamlindoro offers stuarta some warm milk **

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iamlindoro:

erm... "Irish" warm milk, that is

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** stuarta sticks with rum n coke **

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loosr:

NOOOO!!!

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stuarta:

!trout loosr

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** MythLogBot slaps loosr with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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** loosr prepares a smoothie **

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stuarta:

pah

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** stuarta tries adding more coke than rum **

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mycosys:

is there some particularly easy way to get myth to notice a new PS on an existing DVB-T TS without having to do a full rescan? even better is it doable over ssh?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

you can run mythtv-setup via ssh, though

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stuarta:

what do you mean by a "new PS"

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mycosys:

new program stream on an existing transport stream

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stuarta:

rescan existing transports

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mycosys:

some way to just get it to scan that one frequency?

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mycosys:

ahhhhhhhh – that would work nicely

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stuarta:

suggest deleting existing channels first

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mycosys:

? only one needs to go

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stuarta:

"it seems to work better".... (tm)....

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mycosys:

all they seem to have done is change the stream identifiers of an existing duplicate channel to make a new one

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mycosys:

stuarta: re mythtv-setup – i get

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mycosys:

xprop: unable to open display '' / (zenity:17786): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

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mycosys:

guess i will have to go to the machine lol

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iamlindoro:

or just X forward

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iamlindoro:

ssh -X username@host

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mycosys:

that wouldmean having X on this ;)

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iamlindoro:

yes

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** mycosys votes for mythtv-setup in tcl rofl **

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** wagnerrp has no idea what tcl rofl is **

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iamlindoro:

it's the parent language of tcl rolfmao zomg poniez

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wagnerrp:

surely hes not asking for mythtv-setup to be rewritten in shell script, and has an aversion to mr comma

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iamlindoro:

appears he is

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iamlindoro:

though IMHO that's the opposite of the way we are going

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iamlindoro:

I *do* think mythtv-setup needs a rewrite, but it should be 100% wizard-based

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iamlindoro:

with an option for expert-mode

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mazda01:

i am thinking about killing xorg as it takes a lot of my only 256 ram. that's ok right?

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iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

erm... huh?

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Dagmar:

If you want to run the frontend you're kinda going to need that

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mazda01:

iamlindoro: i need to have xorg running for mythbackend to run?

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Dagmar:

It has to be installed for the backend.

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wagnerrp:

xorg does not even have to be installed for mythbackend to run

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iamlindoro:

you need at least a fair number of X libraries, yes

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Dagmar:

\It doesn't have to be running

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mazda01:

Dagmar: it's really only a master backend with xbox frontends and 2 computer frontends

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wagnerrp:

all you need is the base X libraries

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: ok, i'll just have to figure out how to tell mythbuntu not to start up all this garbage that starts up like xfce4-panel, etc etc.

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mazda01:

as well as tell the system NOT to start up xorg

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mazda01:

i mean the xfce4 desktop environment anyway

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Dagmar:

That's going to require knowing a bit about how runlevels owrk

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mazda01:

there;s 1 thru 6 and S right?

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wagnerrp:

3 is full boot, 5 is full boot plus X

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wagnerrp:

4... ive never really cared to know because i dont actually run any systems that use those kinds of runlevels

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mazda01:

and would i be asking to much if i asked what file I edit to tell my system to start up a specific run level?

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Dagmar:

This would be why it's something you should already know.

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wagnerrp:

that would be #ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Google Linux Fron Scratch.

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Dagmar:

s/Fron/From/;

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mazda01:

ok

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Dagmar:

Either of those two will probably get you the info you need

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loosr:

mm... damn, william should've give Marcus some before he gave his heart to Connor

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wagnerrp:

wrong channel?

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Dagmar:

One would suspect

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loosr:

how's 22 alpha?

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loosr:

21 aint building here

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wagnerrp:

doesnt exist

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loosr:

and what's this? 0.22_alpha20959

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wagnerrp:

some packager making up numbers because of limitations of their package manager

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Dagmar:

Don't use 0.22 or anything named like that

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wagnerrp:

20959 is a revision, an old revision

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wagnerrp:

but 0.22_alpha does not exist

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Dagmar:

Newer than the one I replaced at any rate

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loosr:

gentoo testing is at ~0.21_p20877

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loosr:

there used to be frontend and backend what happened?

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wagnerrp:

0.20

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 0.20 (i believe) those options got disabled in configure

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wagnerrp:

not that it really matters, because the only thing it would do was prevent a couple relatively small binaries from getting compiled

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loosr:

so even a frontend needs a full mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

save you maybe 30 seconds and 5MB

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loosr:

ah

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Dagmar:

No, it's expected that if your'e smart enough to be able to separate them successfully you won't need help at compile time to do it

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wagnerrp:

binary packagers can still ship independent packages if they are so compelled

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wagnerrp:

but at least under gentoo, there is only the one build any longer

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loosr:

well I am trying now at a computer without tunner and see if it compiles

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wagnerrp:

you can compile just fine on a computer without a tuner

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wagnerrp:

you just arent supposed to run a backend on a computer without a tuner

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loosr:

it's a decapitated laptop

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loosr:

any good USB tuners that I can test with this lappie? My box got a Pinnacle PCTV HD 800i

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loosr:

but mythtv isn't building on this one ATM

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wagnerrp:

any of the USB tuners supported in the DVB section at linuxtv.org

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loosr:

ok

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wagnerrp:

any anything supported by the pvrusb drivers

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wagnerrp:

http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/pvrusb2.html

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wagnerrp:

'wireless network found: insight_wifi_3940'.... i love it how people continue to use defaults on computer equipment

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wagnerrp:

they just never learn

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Dagmar:

Man half the time they don't even know they've got an access point

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wagnerrp:

heres an odd issue... no aac playback on either of my frontends

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wagnerrp:

used to have playback, now its mute

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wagnerrp:

wasnt there something about mythtv switching decoders a couple weeks ago?

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wagnerrp:

looks like that was just in mythmusic

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loosr:

ZOMG!! an explosion of supported devices

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports a small handful of devices, most of the hardware support comes through V4L or DVB

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kormoc:

Download Speed: 25945 kbps (3243.1 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 16021 kbps (2002.6KB/sec transfer rate)

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** kormoc dances **

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** wagnerrp slaps kormoc a bit with his 12-yr old cisco modem **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, get with the times man!

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wagnerrp:

apparently some time before the end of the year, they can upgrade me to ADSL2 and 10mbps

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kormoc:

my free bump from 20/5 to 25/15 just happened

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wagnerrp:

i remember one of those... they bumped me from 768/384 to 3096/768

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wagnerrp:

of course that was like 5 years ago

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wagnerrp:

back when that was still a meaningful amount of bandwidth

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** Dagmar begins making an effigy of wagnerrp **

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Dagmar:

Whose got some of his hair.

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Dagmar:

?

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Dagmar:

We can fix this problem.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I'd place money that clever would be the type of guy to collect hair...

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Dagmar:

I don't see that happening

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Dagmar:

Well.. MythWeb for sure works agian

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Dagmar:

So... Here's an odd question

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Dagmar:

WTF is there a themes/ and a myththemes/ directory both in the fixes tree?

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wagnerrp:

its the same way in trunk as well

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wagnerrp:

i believe its something about 'myththemes' is themes by people with commit access

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wagnerrp:

complete assumption on my part

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kormoc:

Dagmar, one is extended 'core' themes, one in 3rd party

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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Dagmar:

Thanks that makes sense

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Al4:

Hello.... Newbie here. Wondering if anyone's around....?

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wagnerrp:

if youre looking for answers, ask you question, idle around a couple hours, see if anyone answers

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Dagmar:

Like right now

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Al4:

Well.... I guess I'll let you know my problem anyway... I'm trying to get my remote working. Drivers installed fine. I have a decent lircd.conf. "irw" displays my remote commands as i expect.

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Dagmar:

Several minutes later, we find that there are indeed people lurking about

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** Dagmar faints **

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Al4:

I'ce set up my lircrc file, and running "ircat mythtv" and pressing some buttons on the remote shows up with exactly what expect. Up down, left, right, enter, etc.

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wagnerrp:

chances are you dont have the lircrc file where mythtv wants it

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Dagmar:

Photoshopped.

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Al4:

But then I run "mythfrontend" and it simply doesn't do anything.

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wagnerrp:

that would be ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp said it

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Dagmar:

That's almost certainly the problem

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Dagmar:

...but I'm still thinking he's photoshopped and not real.

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Dagmar:

users never troubleshoot their own problems that much

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Al4:

I have my lircrc in ~/.lircrc and I've linked it (ln -s) to ~/.mythtv/lircrc (no dot)

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wagnerrp:

well then whatever script you are using to run mythfrontend is redirecting the mythtv root elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

or you have it stored under some other users home directory

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Al4:

I'[d assumed the link would work. "cat ~/.mythtv/lircrc" shows the right file.

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wagnerrp:

the link should work

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Al4:

Nope... Definitely the "mythtv" user.

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wagnerrp:

are you running 'mythfrontend' directly?

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Al4:

I'm running "mythfrontend" no options, from a terminal, as "mythtv"

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wagnerrp:

is 'mythfrontend' a binary file, or shell script?

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kormoc:

check the mythfrontend logs to make sure it has lirc support?

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wagnerrp:

well if hes running it with no options, it wont be logging anyway (unless its a wrapper script that logs automatically)

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Al4:

@wagnerrp.... "which mythfrontend" = /usr/bin/mythfrontend". "ls" that file is a 1.6MB executable.

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kormoc:

so run with -v most

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wagnerrp:

Al4: ok, some distros make 'mythfrontend' a wrapper script, with the real binary being 'mythfrontend.real'

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Al4:

How do I find out if it has lirc support built in? I just installed it on a new Fedora 11 OS last week. "yum install mythtv"

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Al4:

so "mythfrontend -v most" ?

[03:10:59]

kormoc:

and you want to see sonmething like, LIRC: Successfully initialized '/dev/lircd' using '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc' config

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Al4:

aha.....

[03:12:50]

Al4:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[03:12:57]

Al4:

mythtv: no such file or directory

[03:13:15]

Dagmar:

OKay, so that's a matter of the mythtv user probably not having the rights to bind to the socket for lirc

[03:13:15]

Al4:

lirc_init failed for mythtv. see preceding messages.

[03:13:34]

Dagmar:

......or lircd wasn't running.

[03:14:33]

Al4:

Righto.... What permissions do I need to change then? lircd is running... (ps -ef |grep lircd)

[03:15:38]

Dagmar:

No idea. I don't know what user you're running the frontend as, or what groups it's a member of

[03:15:43]

Dagmar:

...but I'll wager you do.

[03:16:17]

Dagmar:

If I'm remembering correctly you want that user to be able to read /dev/lircd

[03:16:35]

Al4:

Well, the backend starts on boot. Mythtv logs in automatically, and I'm running "mythfrontend" as "mythtv".

[03:17:09]

Al4:

but mythtv doesn't have permissions on /dev/lirc0

[03:17:37]

Dagmar:

I did some more advanced stuff here with udev so I'm trying to remember which freaking one you need, BUT...

[03:17:42]

Al4:

I'll see what happens if I change that... but "ircat mythtv" works just fine?

[03:18:10]

Dagmar:

I could swear it should be looking for /dev/lircd

[03:18:52]

Al4:

Well...I only have /dev/lirc0.

[03:19:33]

Al4:

But "irw" shows my codes from the remote. "ircat mythtv" shows what I expect. It's just that mythtv itself doesn't actually sdo anything at all!

[03:20:36]

Dagmar:

Oh... Did you start lircd

[03:21:04]

Al4:

lircd is running. (ps -ef |grep lircd)

[03:21:08]

wagnerrp:

looks like the 'multiple files per recording' stuff is almost here

[03:21:46]

wagnerrp:

everyone transcoding files for their ipod/othermediaplayer rejoice

[03:21:59]

kormoc:

Al4, so you need to find where they stick their lircd device now

[03:21:59]

Al4:

changed permissions (chmod 666 /dev/lircd0) but still getting error "mythtv: could not connect to socket, mythtv: no such file or directory"

[03:22:29]

kormoc:

it's shooting for /dev/lircd not /dev/lircd0 afaik

[03:23:05]

Dagmar:

Yeah it's definitely looking for the wrong device now

[03:23:21]

Dagmar:

You can always symlink it, but the setting is in the frontend setup menus somewhere

[03:24:01]

Al4:

"find / -iname lircd" shows me 4 things.

[03:24:01]

** kormoc waits for the fun when /dev/lircd moves to /var/run/lirc/lircd-pid **

[03:24:50]

Dagmar:

Al4: Overkill. Just do ls -al /dev/lir*

[03:24:50]

Dagmar:

It's _going_ to be in the /dev directory

[03:25:19]

Al4:

and /home/mythtv/cvsinstalls/lirc/daemons/lircd (which is obviously where i plonked the cvs stuff)

[03:26:00]

Al4:

@dagmar.... It's just /dev/lircd0. That's all/

[03:26:07]

Dagmar:

That's fine

[03:26:21]

Al4:

should i symlink that to /dev/lircd?

[03:27:01]

kormoc:

Notorious, just change the lird device in the frontend settings to point to the correct one...

[03:27:07]

Dagmar:

You can do that if you like

[03:27:21]

Dagmar:

You *do* want to go into the frontend settings and tell it where to find that tho

[03:27:31]

Dagmar:

@#$@#$%!$

[03:27:39]

Dagmar:

I hacked something into udev to fix this and now I can't find ti

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[03:29:32]

Dagmar:

Ah

[03:29:34]

Dagmar:

FINALLY

[03:29:35]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/m1b37b8fe

[03:29:37]

Dagmar:

This might be useful

[03:32:53]

Al4:

OK... No such file exists there. Guess I'll creat it and paste those lines in. And I guess i'll need a reboot?

[03:33:24]

Al4:

Do I need anything to point there to process those rules?

[03:34:57]

Al4:

And.... before we all get carried away down this route... Is there any way of confirming that Myth is using native lirc support? Or is that line in "mythfrontend -v more" pretty much telling me it's trying, but failing

[03:35:09]

wagnerrp:

it should process all the rules in the director, in the order of the number at the beginning of the name

[03:35:11]

Dagmar:

A14: Actually you don't need to reboot after you change udev rules

[03:35:27]

Dagmar:

A14: If it didn't mention lirc at all, THEN you should woprry

[03:36:14]

Al4:

crap.... Still the same two messages. "could not connect to socket" and "no such file or directory"

[03:36:29]

Dagmar:

A14: Technically the only thing that you really need to do is `udevcontrol reload_rules` and then restart lirc AND it's kernel module, but it'll probably be easier to just reboot the damn thing

[03:36:41]

Al4:

Helpfully, it doesn't tell me *which* socket it can't connect to, or *which* file it can't find.

[03:36:44]

Dagmar:

It'll fail until you've told mythfrontend where to look for the socket file

[03:37:10]

wagnerrp:

ugh... i hate it when i have bugs that are really feature requests without a patch

[03:37:16]

Al4:

ummm..... how do I do that?

[03:37:31]

Dagmar:

A14: you go into the mythfrontend setup menus and do it

[03:39:31]

Al4:

The only mention of sockets seems to be the database, and the network remote control....

[03:40:45]

Al4:

I'll reboot quickly, and see where I'm at. And thank you for your help! After 4 weeks I'm beginning to wonder whether Windows MCE would have been easier!

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wagnerrp:

easier? certainly... as functional? well theres the rub

[03:41:37]

Dagmar:

Nope

[03:41:54]

Dagmar:

Yeah I was wondering why the hell I wasn't seeing the symlinks here

[03:42:07]

Dagmar:

I forgot I needed to rebuild lirc since I replaced the kernel

[03:42:20]

Dagmar:

It's when the kernel moduels load that triggers the udev rules

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wagnerrp:

honestly thought, theres a steep learning curve with myth, but it tends to get very easy

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wagnerrp:

didnt even notice he left

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Al4:

No luck.... :-(

[03:45:53]

Dagmar:

Did you compile lirc with support for whatever dongle you yse?

[03:45:57]

Dagmar:

s/yse/use/;

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Al4:

Right... this is where my newbieism really shines through... I have no idea. I did a fresh install of Fedora 11, and after I'd installed lirc and lcdproc, i then just ran "yum install mythtv" withj all dependencies.

[03:47:36]

Dagmar:

Well, let's assume it works

[03:47:39]

Dagmar:

Use ircat mythtv

[03:47:44]

Al4:

So... I have no idea. But, like we discussed, at least when I run mythfrontend it's *complaining* about lirc, rather than ignoring it!

[03:48:11]

Dagmar:

...and we've said you probably need to tell mythfrontend where to look

[03:48:38]

loosr:

honestly why no use a hand held for remote control?? bluetooth or wireless.

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loosr:

like an iphone interface to mythtv

[03:49:04]

wagnerrp:

because... it has no buttons?

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Al4:

ircat mythtv works absolutely fine. I get Up Down, Left, Right, Enter, etc.... So, and I really am sorry for being such a moron, where in the setup do I do that? If I run mythfrontend, and go to Setup, I assume it's in General settings somewher, but i just can't see it

[03:49:29]

wagnerrp:

have you ever used a remote that was nothing but a touchscreen? it sucks

[03:50:08]

wagnerrp:

i enjoy not having to look down every time i want to do something

[03:51:01]

Dagmar:

a14: You have what kind of IR reciever?

[03:51:32]

Al4:

I have a soundgraph imon (15c2:0036) in a silverstone case.

[03:51:37]

loosr:

my pinnacle got a cute lil IR remote.

[03:52:07]

kormoc:

So the guy that says, 'Use only a iphone as a remote' uses a IR remote too eh?

[03:52:19]

** loosr goes out for a toblerone **

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Al4:

I have /etc/lirc/lircd.conf set up. running "irw" shows my all the commands from my remote.

[03:52:38]

Dagmar:

So in case you haven't noticed, we don't care.

[03:52:45]

Dagmar:

CLEARLY that part of it works

[03:52:58]

Dagmar:

Whether or not you have a /dev/lirc is a more useful question

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Dagmar:

If it's a configuration item for the frontend, it's going to be in the frontend setup menus *somewhere*

[03:54:23]

Dagmar:

You should be seeing something sort of like http://www.pastebin.org/7569

[03:54:40]

Dagmar:

Yes, I'm quite sure the filenames won't match yours.

[03:54:48]

Dagmar:

You should have more than TWO tho

[03:55:38]

Dagmar:

damn I'm having no luck looking for where it's set, i'm going to assume it's hard-wired for /dev/lirc then

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Al4:

Dagmar, I can't see anything at that link. I've symlinked /dev/lirc0 to "/dev/lircd" and also "/dev/lirc" and still get the same errors "cannot open socket" and "no such file or directory"

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Dagmar:

Well, sounds like Fedora broke something in their build then

[04:03:39]

Dagmar:

Okay. now I'm sure of it

[04:04:01]

Al4:

Oh dear... Well. I'll have another play, but right now it's 5a.m. and I should be sleeping! Thanks for your time! I may be back in a few days!

[04:04:06]

Dagmar:

Oh god man

[04:04:08]

Dagmar:

Yeah get some sleep

[04:04:22]

Dagmar:

Sleep deprivation does NOT help troubleshooting this kind of stuff

[04:04:38]

Al4:

Cheers... Honestly I appreciate your efforts! :-)

[04:05:34]

Al4:

Bye all.

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wagnerrp:

java... he logged in through some website?

[04:06:53]

Dagmar:

Dude, Freenode set up their own after they had to lock out Mibbit

[04:07:03]

Dagmar:

...although I've got no idea where that client is hosted at thoe

[04:07:11]

kormoc:

webchat.freenode.net

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Dagmar:

I figured someone knew

[04:07:31]

** Dagmar nerd rages **

[04:07:44]

Dagmar:

If the flash streaming were still in, I could be watching Eureka

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Dagmar:

I know how to use the ghost command

[04:08:23]

kormoc:

It's not still in?

[04:08:29]

Dagmar:

Nope

[04:08:38]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[04:08:43]

kormoc:

Threatening yourself?

[04:08:52]

kormoc:

So... what's not in with flash streaming?

[04:08:55]

kormoc:

You mean from mythweb?

[04:08:57]

Dagmar:

MythWeb

[04:09:04]

kormoc:

what's broken for you?

[04:09:17]

Dagmar:

It's just not *in* there by default

[04:09:23]

wagnerrp:

flash stream is no longer 'in'... its so last year

[04:09:23]

Dagmar:

I vaguely remember it being doable before

[04:09:40]

wagnerrp:

now people want fluffy bunnies jumping around their browsers

[04:09:43]

Dagmar:

...the wiki says something about it being in the middle of being rewritten

[04:09:56]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it's in there right now, just go enable it in your settings

[04:10:05]

kormoc:

(assuming trunk?)

[04:10:05]

wagnerrp:

wanda the fish is a half-assed alternative

[04:10:15]

Dagmar:

Not using trunk

[04:10:22]

Dagmar:

0.21-fixes 21176

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kormoc:

hrm. It might still be there

[04:10:40]

Dagmar:

Lemme see

[04:10:54]

kormoc:

Settings -> MythWeb -> Video Playback Tab -> Enable Video Playback Checkbox

[04:11:12]

kormoc:

(we need to flatten that out or present it differently, the tabs + boxes is confusing...

[04:11:43]

kormoc:

and yeah, I should move that over to the streaming settings

[04:11:56]

Dagmar:

Ah FINALLY

[04:12:05]

wagnerrp:

well its experimental, and users arent supposed to be using it

[04:12:15]

Dagmar:

I'm fine with it being flaky

[04:12:16]

wagnerrp:

a confusing checkbox to enable it is like a test

[04:12:22]

Dagmar:

It beats downloading 1.3Gb at work

[04:12:28]

Dagmar:

...from my cablemodem.

[04:12:31]

Dagmar:

...at 40K/s

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wagnerrp:

make sure we wont be having any PBKEC

[04:12:48]

Dagmar:

Comcast just f**king lies about upstream speeds here.

[04:14:25]

Dagmar:

Oi. Perfect

[04:15:06]

kormoc:

hachi, I just locked up my ipod on my new ajax interface... whoops

[04:15:31]

wagnerrp:

but but... apple products dont crash...!

[04:15:32]

Dagmar:

kormoc: You oughtta try using Palm Blazer sometime

[04:16:04]

Dagmar:

If I can read ten pages on wired.com on my PDA without it rebooting, I have to check the sky for angels

[04:16:07]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, evidently dynamically loaded iframes never fully load, so they stack up

[04:16:30]

kormoc:

Whee, that's great for a device

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Dagmar:

Sweeeet

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wagnerrp:

wow... ive managed to get the frontend locked up such that a -9 wont do it

[04:19:47]

Dagmar:

-15 time?

[04:19:51]

Dagmar:

No wait heheh

[04:19:53]

Dagmar:

nebvermind

[04:19:59]

Dagmar:

I'm overdue for a smoke

[04:20:09]

Dagmar:

Brain needs smoke

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wagnerrp:

well now a 'man', and a new terminal login failed

[04:21:03]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if i dropped file system access or something

[04:27:20]

kormoc:

http://ourvisaliahouse.com/br2.html <-- ha!

[04:28:47]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt buy it, it looks like they have some fire damage

[04:29:19]

kormoc:

Actually, it's dirt cheap, the house is awesome and under $400k, which makes me wonder about the area...

[04:30:13]

wagnerrp:

well its certainly not in your area is it?

[04:30:24]

kormoc:

nah, it's in CA somewhere

[04:30:26]

wagnerrp:

i mean i didnt think you could grow those kinds of plants in washington

[04:30:36]

kormoc:

but it's one of those houses that I wish I had

[04:30:51]

kormoc:

15' waterfall into the pool?

[04:30:53]

** kormoc swoons **

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Dagmar:

You actually can.

[04:32:46]

Dagmar:

Oh... anyone been using Handbrake recently? I've been trying to finally start importing my DVDs and Handbrake is trying to drive me mad

[04:32:51]

kormoc:

Heh, if I moved away from my sources of income....

[04:33:06]

kormoc:

Dagmar, I dropped handbrake after two attempts or so that lasted a week or two

[04:33:18]

Dagmar:

Is there something fancy going on with DVD video and the way it's interlaced (or not)?

[04:34:27]

Dagmar:

I seem to get uneven movement in scene when I tell it explicitly to keep the same frame rate as the source (29.976) but if i let it use "same as source" it converts it to 24fps which bizarrely is smooth as glass

[04:34:38]

wagnerrp:

telecine

[04:34:45]

Dagmar:

Telecine?

[04:34:50]

wagnerrp:

telecine

[04:35:13]

kormoc:

Telecine?

[04:35:16]

wagnerrp:

4 progressive frames into 10 interlaced fields

[04:35:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

for converting 24fps film into 29.97fps TV

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Dagmar:

Ah so it actually is the lower frame rate?

[04:35:54]

wagnerrp:

so its 60fps for tvs that cant handle progressive

[04:36:10]

wagnerrp:

but it carries the pulldown flags for things that understand what to do with them

[04:36:14]

Dagmar:

Nah, VLC says the VOB files are 29.976

[04:36:16]

wagnerrp:

to losslessly convert it back to compressive

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wagnerrp:

progressive

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Dagmar:

Okay. I'll let Handbrake do whatever it thinks is right then, since I'm clearly effing it up by forcing it

[04:36:50]

Dagmar:

I reencoded the damn thing five times, and that's just not fun

[04:37:02]

Dagmar:

...especially when it's nearly four hours

[04:37:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, it took me a couple weeks before i finally settled on an encoding profile i liked (and worked on my PS3)

[04:38:44]

Dagmar:

Well, they've got a profile for PS3 now which is one of the targets I was using

[04:38:53]

Dagmar:

Looked fine on the PS3

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wagnerrp:

this was like 2 years ago, before all the encoders had PS3 profiles

[04:39:25]

Dagmar:

Ah

[04:39:27]

wagnerrp:

the PS3 is rather finicky on what options you can use

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Dagmar:

Well, it's _also_ picked up support for a lot more stuff since then

[04:39:52]

Dagmar:

The update just before they released Sony@Home included a bunch of new things

[04:40:08]

wagnerrp:

a bunch of new formats and codecs, maybe

[04:40:18]

Dagmar:

I WISH I could make it disable freaking sdcard awareness tho

[04:40:19]

wagnerrp:

but AFAIK, h264 playback still has the same restrictions

[04:40:42]

Dagmar:

When I have it export something to my mp3 player, nothing but the PS3 and the mp3 player can ever see that data again

[04:40:51]

Dagmar:

Kind of annoying to have to plug it back into the PS3 just to nuke it

[04:41:24]

wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever experienced that

[04:41:41]

wagnerrp:

the only time ive ever used an SD card on my PS3 was loading the otheros bootloader

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Dagmar:

WEll, if your mp3 player has a smart card slot and uses embedded sdcard storage, the PS3 will actually use that "secure digital" feature

[04:42:35]

Dagmar:

...which is cool and all, except for the whole "I can't just delete this with rm *" problem

[04:42:55]

wagnerrp:

you cant delete them on the mp3 player?

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Dagmar:

Literally if you pack a 1Gb SD card with 99Mb of crap, that SDCard to *non* SD-aware devices will appear to only be 1Mb in size

[04:43:10]

Dagmar:

No, the mp3 player was _that cheap_

[04:43:17]

Dagmar:

ALl file management is expected to happen outside the player. Heh

[04:43:31]

wagnerrp:

my $30 player is capable of file deletion

[04:43:44]

Dagmar:

I can delete things from playlists.

[04:43:44]

wagnerrp:

and creation (off radio or microphone)

[04:44:21]

Dagmar:

I bought it because it was one of the rarer mp3 players that does Bluetooth

[04:44:27]

Dagmar:

Little did I know that bt audio quality is shit

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i get no wireless anything

[04:44:43]

Dagmar:

It says "high end frequences LOL"

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bugger:

hi all

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bugger:

i may be missing something here, i've got lirc working, loaded with a correct file for the bindings to my remote

[05:08:31]

bugger:

irw shows it detecting the codes correctly

[05:08:45]

bugger:

but mythfrontend doesn't do anything with the remote

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bugger:

what am i missing?

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kormoc:

run the frontend with -v most and see what's going on

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bugger:

ok

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bugger:

i don't see anything mentioning lirc, what should i be looking for?

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bugger:

i just started it up pressed a few buttons, then exited

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kormoc:

You want to see something like, LIRC: Successfully initialized '/dev/lircd' using '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc' config

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bugger:

ah yep just found that

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bugger:

lirc init success using configuration file.....

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bugger:

ahhh hrrm it's config file is /home/myth/.mythtv/lircrc, but that file does not exist

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kormoc:

so link the files together?

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notlistening:

Anypne using bpxee here and thing it would be really nice to have a app for mythweb

[05:15:39]

bugger:

ah i know what i've done wrong

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bugger:

yeah there's lircrc provided and i didn't copy it to there

[05:15:58]

kormoc:

notlistening, there's no browser 'app' for boxee?

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notlistening:

boxee is mozilla based it is just a glorified browser

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kormoc:

so just point it to your mythweb install?

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notlistening:

kinda you have to write the interface in boxee

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bugger:

hrrm that still hasn't done it

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** kormoc blinks **

[05:18:30]

kormoc:

so it's a web browser that doesn't accept HTML? Seems... silly...

[05:18:49]

notlistening:

bugger yoi sure your using the myth user to run the app?

[05:19:27]

bugger:

yep

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notlistening:

urgh this is why i wanted to discuss it in the development channel and got asked to leave

[05:19:36]

bugger:

irw shows codes

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bugger:

and the lircrc is in the right place now

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notlistening:

so if you run whoami in the termial you get myth?

[05:20:28]

bugger:

yep

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kormoc:

notlistening, unless we're talking code, this is the place to talk about it

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notlistening:

ok ;)

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iamlindoro:

notlistening, you're talking about a) development for a program that is not MythTV and b) don't seem eager to do it yourself, which would be a prerequisite

[05:20:46]

iamlindoro:

so yes, it belongs here

[05:21:03]

iamlindoro:

and c) not one of the devs that I know of uses boxee

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iamlindoro:

Get some boxee monkey to do it

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kormoc:

and d) Given the guy likely to do it if anyone asked you to come here, complaining isn't going to help

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bugger:

who hang on

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

s/likely to do it/who is capable but not interested/

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iamlindoro:

(I assume)

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kormoc:

yeah...

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kormoc:

and given I don't even get to see anything about boxee until I sign up for an account, it sours the idea even more...

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notlistening:

humm an interesting deduction about my eagerness as for the rest i am happy to do it myself but wanted to talk to some of the web interface guys that all

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bugger:

ok turns out i'm an idiot

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bugger:

my file was in the wrong place lol

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kormoc:

<-- One of the two mythweb guys

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kormoc:

So what do you want to know?

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bugger:

notlistening: lol thanks for making me double check, wasn't exactly where my problem was but close lol

[05:23:29]

bugger:

thanks all

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sphery:

kormoc: I tried to tell you it would cause all sorts of problems when you wrote that code for MythWeb to block its use from boxee... Really, it's not like we're Hulu.

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** kormoc laughs **

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notlistening:

can i ahve an e-mail address and write you some questions as i go through the development process please if that no too much to ask

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** sphery waits to see if he gets an innocent man in trouble **

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** iamlindoro can't help but feel that it would be soooooo much easier if SOMEONE would just finish that python rewrite **

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sphery:

no joke

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

notlistening, Ask them on mythtv-dev, that way they're around for others to see too

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sphery:

I've stopped all work on MythWeb until it's complete.

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sphery:

Why write my code in PHP when it just has to be converted later.

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kormoc:

notlistening, that said, I could expose the objects via JSON in a few minutes if you want to go bare metal interactions?

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** kormoc laughs **

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notlistening:

that's ok bugger

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** kormoc really needs to get wondershaper setup **

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iamlindoro:

sounds like ladies undies

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kormoc:

Heh, just a way to get QOS and rate limiting going on

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clever:

kormoc: ive got some rate limiting but its not really working well, what did you use?

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notlistening:

kormoc seems JSON would be a very good solution for use in boxee

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kormoc:

there's a fair bit of stuff that will need updates/written beyond the basic exposure, but I'll see what I can pull together

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kormoc:

Woo... Boxee is in python...

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** kormoc dies a little inside **

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clever:

kormoc: using tc?

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kormoc:

Whee... looks like there's no way to search for applications in boxee, just browse page after page after page....

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Dr{Wh0}:

i seem to be missing something. I have a HDHomeRun connected to my mythtv box running opensuse 11.1. I have schedules direct account and have picked a linup that i think is correct. When i scan for channels i select qam256 and use '_' for a seperator. In the end I have listing data for 44#0 44#1 and 44:2 all that say 'CNN' i have tried clearing out all tuners channels etc like all day long and have had little success getting everything to align.

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sphery:

"Mike, thanks for taking the time to write that response." ... but I'm going to ignore what you said because /I/ can't possibly misunderstand the MythTV scheduler.

[05:39:26]

sphery:

why do I even bother writing responses to messages on the list.

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kormoc:

sphery, careful, you sound jaded

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sphery:

like a monkey

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** kormoc steals a paw **

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

Now I'm going to spend the next 2 weeks trying to remember the name of the TV show from the early '80's which involved some monkey (I'm thinking it was jade) and a pilot and a seaplane in Indonesia (Jakarta, maybe?)

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kormoc:

Jackie Chan Adventures had a jade monkey in it a bit

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sphery:

yeah, that did and the Simpsons referenced it once (the one where Homer goes to college, maybe)?

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sphery:

Heh, mine wasn't even a jade monkey: http://www.tv.com/tales-of-the-gold-monkey/sh . . . summary.html

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sphery:

wonder when that comes out on Blu-Ray

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** kormoc laughs **

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Dr{Wh0}:

I see 3 channels in my channel table that have a callsign of CNN i dont think that is right.

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notlistening:

kormoc, right i need to get some sleep will come back to you when i am further down the line thanks for listening to me and being nice :)

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loosr:

what's been plan for the transition away from qt3?

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loosr:

i heard qt-embedded

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kormoc:

erm. we use qt4 now

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kormoc:

with qt4's qt3 compat for a few outstanding unported chunks, but the majority is qt4 directly now

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loosr:

oh wow!!!

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juski:

morning

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loosr:

so what happened with the qt embedded project?

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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kormoc:

juski, figure out your issues?

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loosr:

by the way mythtv-0.21_p20877 failed on another machine

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kormoc:

loosr, i never heard any talk about using qt-embedded, just talk about using mysql embedded

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loosr:

is 0.21_p18314-r1 bad?

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juski:

nah not yet. still a bit in the wilderness – dunno if the problem is rotating the wrong thing or whether the attribute is being left over & reused

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loosr:

kormoc: oh ok, I must've misunderstood.

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loosr:

these are my other choices 0.21_p18314-r1 (~)0.21_p18314-r2 (~)0.21_p19961-r1 (~)0.21_p19961-r2

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loosr:

which one should I pick?

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loosr:

i picked 19961-r2

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loosr:

isn't it wonderful having more than one machine??!!

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juski:

riiight. the VERBOSE I put in to spit out the x & y coordiinates seems to be saying that the rect is 128x110 which undoubtedly isn't the whole screen size so I'm prolly rotating the wrong plane or something. I need somebody with opengl-fu now

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loosr:

I got nvidia drivers

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Dr{Wh0}:

what field in the channel record relates to the tuner it is on?

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juski:

hrm. maybe the *best* way to do this would be to transform the coordinates of the rect being drawn after all

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juski:

Dr{Wh0}: don't think there is one. the scheduler picks the tuner something will be recorded with

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Dr{Wh0}:

so how does it know the tunner supports the channel?

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juski:

what's a tunner?

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juski:

and have you actually *looked* at the names of columns in the record table?

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Dr{Wh0}:

i have not no. I am using an HDHomeRun as the tuner

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juski:

there's 'prefinput' – I'd have to look in the code to find out if that's actually it or not & I CBA

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juski:

anyway since you're asking questions which will invariably lead to asking how to manually mangle the database I'll assume something's not working quite right somewhere

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Dr{Wh0}:

ya.

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Dr{Wh0}:

also cus i love databases and what to learn the schema

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juski:

there should be no need for any mythtv user to *ever* mangle the database themselves

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juski:

that's why it has a UI

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Dr{Wh0}:

so chanid is in record and channel

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Dr{Wh0}:

ya. unfortunatly its broken. so I need to get it fixed. It refuses to link my qam tuner's channels to schedules direct and I am not sure of any means to fix this other than touching the database.

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kormoc:

Dr{Wh0}, the standard key on recordings and the like is UNIQUE(chanid, starttime)

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juski:

ooo that's different. Managed to stop the big load of rotation going on but now the images have vanished

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juski:

the border of Terra's menu icons has also gone west with them. hrmph

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juski:

what I can't figure out is *why* though since the VERBOSE is only reporting the x1,y1 & x2,y2 of the icon images – that bit's good news cos I only put <rotate> on the music icon so far

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juski:

a thought occurs to me – there may be an existing bug in the gl painter which has so far been undiscovered

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juski:

nah, I reckon I should do some reading up on opengl & properly work out what the gl painter is actually doing

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juski:

there's not much to it so it shouldn't be too hard

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juski:

says he. heh

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kormoc:

it's using display objects/display lists, right?

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juski:

I dunno the terminology yet

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juski:

interesting. looks like perspective projection will be a piece of cake if I nail this

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juski:

all kinds of rotation is doable.. aaand we'll be able to animate it on timers.. and... and... oh my god

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juski:

hahaha now it's doing only one element, but it's the *wrong* element

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spO:

do any of you have Hauppauge HD PVR ? how do you get television channel listings?

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cesman:

spO: I was going to answer your question but since you insulted me...

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spO:

i was just kidding

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kormoc:

no you were not

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spO:

why would i not be kidding?

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spO:

am i sadistic?

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kormoc:

I'd say more just short sighted

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spO:

i said i was kidding

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kormoc:

Notorious, you were not, and attempting to fool us about it now rather then manning up and just apologizing is even more insulting

[07:39:34]

kormoc:

*no, you were not

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cesman:

exactly

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spO:

skinner theories that actions can give much insight on what someone was or is thinking has be refuted by people like chomsky

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spO:

sorry, i made you upset or caused conflictional emotions

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spO:

i will let you cool off

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cesman:

some people....

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kormoc:

yeah...

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juski:

ha. hahahaha. oh dear

[07:49:17]

juski:

well it's *less* bad

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/8sWbkq.html

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kormoc:

nice

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juski:

definitely a case of not knowing where to do the rotate I think

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juski:

I must be close now

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/TZEIF4lp.html ? Could be!

[08:02:00]

juski:

nearest its been so far :D

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kormoc:

Go Juski!

[08:03:32]

juski:

still looks like it's rotating the drawing surface though

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juski:

hence the position moving

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juski:

hate to think what kind of whacked-out themes people will do with rotating images

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juski:

YES

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juski:

YES!!!!

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/Uw7_YuU.html

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stuarta:

nice

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juski:

dogged persistence wins

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juski:

weird artifacting going on there too, but it's mostly ok. definitely affecting only the texture now & I know why

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juski:

still needs a position translation but I can work that out easy enough

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** cesman should have a glass of wine to celebrate 6 years **

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juski:

6 years of your distro?

[08:22:57]

juski:

wow. that's good going. congrats!

[08:23:16]

juski:

gah, you do a spot of compilering & your battery ends up flat

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cesman:

juski: yes, thanks

[08:28:35]

juski:

anyway – a glass? I'd be having at least a bottle ;)

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juski:

gonna take a break from code, maybe til tomorrow. My brain hurts now

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juski:

it's a nice day, have to take advantage of it :)

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rooaus:

Anyone in Melb/Aus having trouble with Ch9? I know GO! was added but I did a fullscan tonight. Am able to watch Ch9 in LiveTV but all scheduled recordings are unsuccessful, started this week but I thought a rescan might fix it.

[09:16:18]

grokky:

rooaus: Check dtv_multiplex for correct freq and networkid.

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grokky:

freq for melbourne is 191500000, network id is 4114. They appear to have changed sometime in the past. I found a scan did not update the multiplex table if it already had one for ch 9.

[09:18:07]

rooaus:

you notice a change this week? hmmm I thought I deleted all channels first, will check though.

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grokky:

rooaus: not sure when it changed, or why livetv worked, but I noticed it on wed night. I found doing a scan would update the channels table but not the dtv_multiplex.

[09:20:02]

rooaus:

You have any probs with SBS? I haven't recorded anything from SBS this week but just testing before noticed a similar issue?

[09:21:18]

grokky:

SBS fine here. I just scheduled it to record world news on SBS ONE and it worked.

[09:21:30]

rooaus:

cool

[09:23:12]

grokky:

rooaus, fyi the old freq was 191625000 an the old networkid was 12829 here in melb. Lots of posts on the shepherd mailing list about this too – it seems to have affected ch 9 right across the country with mythtv.

[09:24:18]

rooaus:

thanks, I haven't looked at this for years (literally I think, no have HD frontends) so my memory is pretty rusty. :)

[09:24:28]

rooaus:

*have no

[09:24:45]

juski:

channel 9 always used to cut in over The Fast Show. Very annoying & sometimes scorchio!

[09:25:26]

juski:

El Presidente, eth eff et eth, heff eff eth eth, Chris Waddle

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juski:

:D

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rooaus:

grokky: Ch9 fixed, thanks for the advice... I owe you a beer. :)

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rooaus:

grokky: Do you have the frequency and networkid handy for SBS?

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Mark_:

Anyone alive in here, I seem to have a little problem setting up lirc..

[10:04:37]

Mark_:

I am hoping someone can help me in here

[10:05:11]

kormoc:

Nah, we're all dead

[10:05:40]

Mark_:

sweet zombies

[10:06:28]

Mark_:

I am trying to setup my xpc-rco1 as a dev/input, and I can see the keys displayed as I press them but once I am done the remote still does not work

[10:07:46]

kormoc:

meaning X doesn't pick them up?

[10:07:58]

Mark_:

apperently..

[10:08:29]

kormoc:

and you have your X setup with the event input drivers for keyboard rather then kbd?

[10:08:52]

Mark_:

but the remote only works when I do, 'sudo irrecord -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event5 lircd.conf'

[10:09:13]

Mark_:

I am wanting both

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Mark_:

keyboard and remote

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grokky:

rooaus, freq for SBS is 536625000. I have a network id of 12802, but I suspect that is not right, but still works for me at least.

[10:11:45]

grokky:

If you have no luck, I found mythtv-setup, do a full scan, and then specify "add manually", it will conflict with the existing channel and prompt you for a unique channel id. In the dialog box it will display the freqid, networkid etc.

[10:12:51]

rooaus:

OK. I have 7 entries in dtv_multiplex with a networkid of 12802, weird.

[10:12:56]

grokky:

at least it does with recent trunk. Adding new channels is not something I do regularly. I then just noted these numbers and updated the multiplex table by hand (as adding the channels did not).

[10:13:11]

grokky:

rooaus, yeah, same.

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grokky:

rooaus, Interesting: I have 16 lines in multiples. The only ones references in the channels table is 1,3,9,10,11 (for the 5 broadcasters, actual id not important).

[10:17:01]

grokky:

their netword id's are 4115, 4112, 4114, 4116 and the only one with the 12802 is SBS.

[10:18:50]

grokky:

I think at some point they were all 12802 (presumbly mythtv did not use this value in the past, or something). Difference is my SBS is still working with 12802, yours isn't.

[10:20:15]

grokky:

try the trick above (by scanning and manually adding a duplicate channel) to see what the real networkid is?

[10:21:19]

rooaus:

ok

[10:23:17]

rooaus:

was about to do that, just deleted the SBS transports. I haven't looked at the channel scanner since daniel's updates, so wasn't sure about the manual method you specified. I really need a dev box, when I update main frontend I think I will keep the SD one as a dev box.

[10:28:41]

Mark_:

Anyone have a sbt-tvfm turner?

[10:37:11]

juski:

ooo a Sabrent framegrabber. Prolly junk

[10:39:28]

juski:

comes with audio cable, which tells me it doesn't have audio capture onboard. So you'd need multiple soundcards if you want to record more than 1 channel using those. Eew

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rooaus:

grokky: Couldn't test SBS as tuners in use now, the bonus is I have avoided Idol. :)

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juski:

hmmm. me hungy. must be time for lunch

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juski:

ruh? put some <rotate> into schedule-ui.xml for giggles & nothing is appearing rotated.

[11:05:08]

brad2:

wow jusk i gotta give you props

[11:05:12]

brad2:

you are dedicated!

[11:05:24]

brad2:

everytime i pop on, you are working on it nonstop for 3 days

[11:05:24]

brad2:

haha

[11:06:20]

juski:

I've made excellent progress I think

[11:06:31]

juski:

esp. for somebody of non-coding status :D

[11:06:33]

brad2:

i'll bet

[11:06:34]

brad2:

hhaha

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/Uw7_YuU.html is where I'm up to, putting a <rotate> into menu-ui.xml on the button icons

[11:09:17]

brad2:

nice job

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juski:

certainly an improvement on http://imagebin.ca/view/YxJixw.html

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brad2:

yes does seem better than that one

[11:10:38]

brad2:

you could submit the last one to some art gallery as abstract art

[11:10:40]

brad2:

:>

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juski:

opengl is neat stuff :)

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juski:

heh I'd not put the <rotate> in the right place. works fine as it turns out.

[11:32:22]

juski:

well, as fine as the opengl stuff makes it. need to sort that before going any further I think

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rooaus:

juski: You pounding on the gl painter? Nice work!

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juski:

yeah. gonna look at moving image effects out of mythimage too eventually

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mzb:

hmm ... not sure if I was connected when I asked my question ... forgive me for trying again:

[11:53:04]

liviopl:

hi. I've got a simple question. how do I make MythTV capture sound from my bttv analogue card, if sound goes directly from tv card to my audio card's "line in"? due to lack of audio capture, I get de-sync audio and speachless recordings.

[11:53:07]

mzb:

are there any recommended settings (other than default) for creating xfs filesystems on raid5 when you get up into TB? (ie. 3x1TB)

[11:53:14]

mzb:

(or mount options for that matter)

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juski:

liviopl: you've not read the 'setting up audio' section of the mythtv docs

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juski:

liviopl: you need to set the audio input the tuner audio is connected to, to be CAPTUREd

[11:54:29]

juski:

liviopl: and MUTE the same input in the 'playback' section of the linux mixer

[11:54:41]

liviopl:

juski: you mean hit SPACE on Line In in alsamixer's Capture section?

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juski:

try it :)

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gbee:

M

[11:55:57]

liviopl:

juski: tried. mythtv is silent.

[11:56:39]

liviopl:

juski: I've read about such solution but it doesn't work for me. Line In is set to be captured and muted in playback section.

[12:01:19]

liviopl:

this is interesting "change the output sound device in mythfrontend->setup->Audio from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default"

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liviopl:

how exactly should this part look like? this info it kinda abstract. I want something concrete, experimenting is boring. I lost few years to see video from tv...

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** mzb wonders if members of this # have lost interest in experimentation **

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liviopl:

juski: mythfrontend unmutes Line playback slider. mythtv doesn't capture sound at all. even after running commands from mythtv-HOWTO

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sphery:

liviopl: Note that you /have/ to specify an OSS audio device for input (i.e. /dev/dsp), but you can specify either /dev/dsp for Audio output device and /dev/mixer for Mixer device or specify ALSA:default for Audio output device and Mixer device.

[12:15:19]

liviopl:

sphery: not enough clear for me. sounds like a one big mess.

[12:15:22]

sphery:

liviopl: You can /not/ use any ALSA device for input--i.e. when defining the bttv card in mythtv-setup

[12:16:02]

liviopl:

sphery: I tried using mythtv default settings. they didn't work so I tried myself. also didn't work.

[12:16:04]

sphery:

go to mythtv-setup and see what you have set for the audio input device for the capture card

[12:16:56]

liviopl:

sphery: /dev/dsp

[12:17:19]

sphery:

OK, that's good (assuming that's correct for your sound card)

[12:17:48]

liviopl:

there's a dsp device in /dev, so it might be true.

[12:18:24]

sphery:

Can you post a mythbackend log and a mythfrontend log (on http://pastebin.ca/ ) showing what happens when you try to start LiveTV

[12:20:35]

liviopl:

sphery: http://paste.jabbim.cz/3804

[12:23:19]

sphery:

liviopl: change the sampling rate to 48kHz in all 4 recording profiles

[12:32:59]

liviopl:

done

[12:33:33]

liviopl:

but still mythtv unmutes line in playback, capturing no sound

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liviopl:

sphery: any other advices or should I just put mythtv far away from me and tell everyone it's a crap because its own advices to capture don't work :> ?

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jduggan:

liviopl: get a good card

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sphery:

liviopl: I don't know what you mean about mute, but if it's what I think, you need to have MythTV 0.21-fixes SVN revision 19249 or above. You can find out if you do with: mythbackend --version

[12:50:11]

jduggan:

:P

[12:50:24]

sphery:

or, yeah, could get a card that's not a frame grabber

[12:50:35]

sphery:

liviopl: also, see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[12:51:17]

liviopl:

I've got MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes Library API:0..21.20080304–1

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sphery:

liviopl: that's meaningless... what's Revision

[12:51:37]

gbee:

FFS

[12:52:08]

liviopl:

mm... MythTV Version : Unknown

[12:52:34]

liviopl:

rpm -q mythtv-backend: mythtv-backend-0.21–26 (official tarball, I guess)

[12:52:35]

gbee:

that's ... broken

[12:53:12]

liviopl:

Packman packages, openSUSE :]

[12:53:46]

sphery:

someone needs to get SUSE to package things properly...

[12:54:22]

sphery:

anyway, gotta go to beach volleyball. good luck

[12:54:39]

liviopl:

have fun ;)

[12:54:53]

liviopl:

and thanks, regardless the score mythtv vs me

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** gbee plans a commit which prevents the frontend or backend running if the version string is not sane **

[12:58:33]

liviopl:

should I send an e-mail to mythtv packager from packman to fix the package [and update it for my sake] :> ?

[12:58:57]

gbee:

liviopl: please :)

[12:58:59]

mzb:

uninstall and install manually?

[12:59:27]

liviopl:

mzb: too much fun.

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mzb:

killjoy ;)

[13:00:31]

liviopl:

mzb: d'oh ;p !

[13:00:45]

mzb:

I've been "experimenting" for a while now ... couldn't be happier with the change in lifestyle that mythtv brings

[13:01:07]

liviopl:

you don't want me to compile mythtv and complain if after few hours of compilation something goes wrong :]

[13:01:31]

liviopl:

besides, I own Duron 1,6GHz, so don't expect me to start compiling big stuff :]

[13:01:44]

mzb:

no, but if you ask for help you'll probably get it

[13:02:02]

mzb:

I use a script to uninstall, compile and reinstall

[13:02:19]

mzb:

there's a nice page on the wiki that explains the steps (iirc)

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liviopl:

mythtv is big suite and compiling it could take a day with my CPU

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not that big, it takes like 15–20 minutes over here

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mzb:

I've "experimented" to the point where I have wii-remote control, 4 digital tuners (each capable of 5 simultaneous recordings), 3.75TB disk space, callerID popup on screen with incoming calls, and have just moved up to HD (today)

[13:04:18]

mzb:

ps: I started with an overclocked p3–650 ;)

[13:04:35]

wagnerrp:

certainly not when compared with things such as qt or firefox

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liviopl:

I'll stay with one sucking bttv tuner ^^

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mzb:

my p3–1000 (bedtv) takes a few hours to compile from scratch (I don't count the hours)

[13:06:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my 800 was somewhere around there, 2–2.5 or so

[13:06:06]

mzb:

but you could always try distcc|icecc

[13:06:36]

mzb:

(aka icecream)

[13:07:43]

mzb:

(the difference between the two being that distcc requires the *same* compiler on each machine, whereas icecc doesn't)

[13:08:39]

wagnerrp:

well just how is that supposed to work?

[13:08:59]

mzb:

iirc it passes the code to run + the code to compile

[13:09:17]

mzb:

(basic theory)

[13:11:19]

mzb:

handy if using different distros & architectures

[13:12:04]

wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to get distcc running for a while

[13:12:12]

wagnerrp:

building things on my laptop gets painful

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mzb:

icecc is harder to get going ... not worth the effort for most, I guess

[13:15:11]

mzb:

amazing how it works, though ;) ... great gui tool to watch distribution of jobs in real time

[13:15:25]

wagnerrp:

seems like the big advantage is that its better managed, working better for shared systems

[13:15:59]

mzb:

and that it's not distro/arch/compiler limited

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mzb:

I used to use it for daily builds of an arm application/distro

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liviopl:

is there a distro which features newer mythtv revision so I could test it? the best would be one with livecd where I could try.

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

0.21-fixes is largely static, except for the occasional bug fix

[13:29:51]

wagnerrp:

and if you want to try trunk, you should really be compiling from source

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liviopl:

d'oh, I have no time, on friday I'm travelling to the Germany ^^

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wagnerrp:

it takes as much time to download and burn a trunk livecd as it would to compile and install it

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liviopl:

but changes on livecd are not saved on hdd. only in ram. I prefer my config on hdd to be untouched.

[13:39:40]

wagnerrp:

image your boot directory before doing it

[13:39:45]

wagnerrp:

boot partition

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wagnerrp:

that should only be a few GB of data, should have plenty of room on your recording partition/disk for that

[13:41:41]

liviopl:

few. yeah... I try trunk after coming back to Poland (23.08 or later) :]

[13:44:05]

chainsawbike:

hey im having a problem with mythbrowser – im using trunk – a build just before the ffmpeg update and the text entry blocks are black

[13:44:40]

mzb:

am I crazy to consider using a DVI wall plate?

[13:45:59]

wagnerrp:

mzb: if youre considering wiring your own wallplate, yes

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AndyCap:

mzb: depends what your option is. A hdmi wallplate or loose dvi cables lying about?

[13:46:22]

wagnerrp:

but they sell wallplates that are basically a female--female coupler embedded in the plate

[13:46:28]

mzb:

hmm

[13:46:33]

mzb:

expensive though

[13:46:44]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt be more than a couple dollars

[13:47:15]

mzb:

overkill: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CLIPSAL-DVI-COMPONENT- . . . notsupported

[13:47:15]

wagnerrp:

i mean its two plugs and a bit of spare wire

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mzb:

(but I need audio too)

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mzb:

considering USB too, but that's probably optional

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wagnerrp:

so use HDMI instead

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jduggan:

how far can you extend HDMI?

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mzb:

DVI->HDMI <-> HDMI<-DVI ??

[13:48:29]

wagnerrp:

depends on the quality of cable

[13:48:35]

jduggan:

ballpark?

[13:48:47]

rooaus:

mzb: FYI: http://www.ezyhd.com.au/hdmi-wallplate.html

[13:48:54]

wagnerrp:

cheap crap cables can usually go 10–15ft before you start to get issues

[13:49:16]

mzb:

not a great distance in my case ... choice of *through* redundant fireplace (now electric heater) or around it

[13:49:26]

wagnerrp:

more expensive connectors, thicker cable, additional shielding... all improve distance from there

[13:49:46]

mzb:

planning on mounting LCD on above the heater

[13:49:55]

mzb:

thanks rooaus

[13:49:57]

jduggan:

is it possible to remodulate and send via cat5

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rooaus:

np

[13:50:16]

wagnerrp:

jduggan: yes and no

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mzb:

but I still need DVI at both ends, right?

[13:50:49]

wagnerrp:

yes its possible, but it costs about 10x what that overpriced wall play does

[13:51:02]

wagnerrp:

mzb: your TV doesnt have HDMI?

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mzb:

TV? *cough* ... LCD

[13:52:14]

wagnerrp:

ah, so youre running to a monitor and a separate receiver

[13:52:27]

mzb:

receiver?

[13:52:50]

wagnerrp:

youre using the crappy 2W speakers that come with monitors?

[13:52:51]

mzb:

mythtv + LCD (although currently using old tv plugged into s-video)

[13:53:12]

mzb:

nope my old Sony Amp with home-made speakers

[13:53:52]

wagnerrp:

receiver is one of those fancy things with a slew of A/V inputs, and a video output to the TV

[13:54:01]

wagnerrp:

almost always come with a built in amp

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mzb:

err, yeah ... get it now ... old Sony Receiver/Amp

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mzb:

(10yrs?)

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mzb:

not planning on using it for video switching ... only has composite

[13:55:11]

wagnerrp:

certainly not, if DVI is otherwise an option

[13:55:28]

mzb:

exactly

[13:55:39]

wagnerrp:

i would just get a panel with a HDMI plug, and L/R RCA

[13:55:53]

mzb:

so I'd need to get (for eg) two of these too? L http://www.ezyhd.com.au/dvi-hdmi-adapter.html ??

[13:56:17]

wagnerrp:

just get cables with built in adaptors, theyre about the same price as straight cables

[13:56:46]

wagnerrp:

basically, should you decide to upgrade to a receiver with HDMI support, you wouldnt have to replace it

[13:57:09]

wagnerrp:

plus you have a much smaller plug, for about the same up front cost

[13:57:20]

mzb:

ok ... so usual computer : DVI video + 3.5mm =>> hdmi ... right?

[13:57:36]

mzb:

then hdmi<->hdmi wallplate

[13:57:49]

mzb:

then hdmi => dvi + RCA

[13:57:56]

wagnerrp:

DVI + 3.5mm --> HDMI + 2xRCA

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wagnerrp:

run the HDMI to the other plate, or directly to the TV/monitor, run the RCA to the receiver

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wagnerrp:

if you upgrade the receiver and go to SPDIF, you can use one of the RCA plugs

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mzb:

got example links?

[13:59:03]

wagnerrp:

if you upgrade the receiver and go to HDMI, you can simply reroute the cable to the receiver, and then from the receiver up to the monitor

[14:00:06]

wagnerrp:

http://homeavcables.com/75-1065.html

[14:02:22]

wagnerrp:

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PHDM2RJRF1-Audio-C . . . ef=de_a_smtd

[14:03:00]

wagnerrp:

those plugs look modular, so you can pop the coax one out and replace it with another RCA one from the local hardware store

[14:03:13]

mzb:

don't I just need a single HDMI plate + 2x cables?

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wagnerrp:

the local Lowes carries them RCA ones for about $2 each

[14:03:26]

wagnerrp:

this lets you run the ethernet through the walls too

[14:03:33]

mzb:

don't need ethernet

[14:03:54]

mzb:

only need audio & video as described (and optionally USB)

[14:04:21]

mzb:

total run is < 5m

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mzb:

don't HDMI cables carry audio too?

[14:05:08]

wagnerrp:

well youre asking for something very specific, youre just not going to find exactly what you want unless you get a modular plate and pop in exactly the ports you need

[14:05:27]

wagnerrp:

HDMI carries data

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gbee:

mzb: can carry audio, yes

[14:05:58]

wagnerrp:

that data includes audio, video, command and control, and recently ethernet, and reverse audio

[14:06:09]

wagnerrp:

but its all on one bitstream

[14:06:27]

wagnerrp:

so its not like you can easily splice in our out the 'audio wires'

[14:07:07]

mzb:

hmm

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gbee:

you could go HDMI from frontend, to receiver and then hdmi > DVI from there

[14:07:24]

wagnerrp:

old receiver, no hdmi

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gbee:

for most people using a TV, it's HDMI to HDMI

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gbee:

wagnerrp: talking theoretical

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gbee:

one cable for everything, but since you have no built in speakers with the LCD ..

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wagnerrp:

right, im trying to get him to buy a hdmi wall plate for future upgradability

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mzb:

sounds like my best option is to add RCA sockets to this: http://www.ezyhd.com.au/hdmi-wallplate.html

[14:09:03]

wagnerrp:

mzb: see if you can find a plate with HDMI plus a couple modular ports

[14:09:32]

mzb:

au$50+ for those (that I've seen so far)

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smithna:

Strange issue heree... sa3250 (channel changer) works correctly (input 210->210 on tuner), however as mythtv not (210->304). If is su to mythtv from root account it also works. Giving the mythtv user root priveliges didn't help...

[14:09:59]

mzb:

I don't mind drilling holes in a cheap plate ;)

[14:11:28]

mzb:

it'd be nice if I could get the video into the wall ... I'll check with the electrician when he comes to replace the switchboard

[14:15:28]

mzb:

not sure he'd be too keen on drilling a hole through a hearth while trying to avoid the 15A power for the heater

[14:16:03]

mzb:

(my drill would probably burst into flames 1/3rd of the way through ;)

[14:16:51]

_ba:

anyone know of a good site to reference for getting a part lists to build a good mythtv box?

[14:17:22]

wagnerrp:

here we go... http://www.thetwistergroup.com/product/516-113WH%20D51453.html

[14:17:30]

wagnerrp:

_ba: newegg.com

[14:17:57]

_ba:

ya thats where i plan to buy from but was curious more on which components to pick

[14:18:14]

wagnerrp:

what is your intended content?

[14:18:41]

_ba:

want to be able to do hdtv

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gbee:

and does your TV take HDMI or DVI?

[14:18:51]

_ba:

hdmi

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wagnerrp:

and what is this 'hdtv'?

[14:19:30]

wagnerrp:

is it broadcast mpeg2? broadcast h264? bluray?

[14:20:07]

_ba:

it would be broadcast i think whatever i'm getting from my cable provider

[14:20:23]

_ba:

1080i

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gbee:

board with integrated nvidia GPU and HDMI, 8200 or above, couple of gigs of ram+, 1Tb drive for recordings, CPU doesn't matter but with the nvidia GPU it doesn't need to be too powerful better to go with a low TDP

[14:21:06]

_ba:

tdp?

[14:21:21]

wagnerrp:

thermal design peak

[14:21:27]

wagnerrp:

or power... one of those two

[14:21:28]

_ba:

ic

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wagnerrp:

8200 chip on AMD boards, 9300 chip on Intel boards

[14:21:48]

gbee:

processors are all tagged with their max power consumption 45W, 65W, 125W etc

[14:21:56]

_ba:

what about tv tuner card?

[14:22:06]

wagnerrp:

you want nothing higher than 65W

[14:22:21]

wagnerrp:

digital cable gets a bit messy

[14:22:40]

gbee:

AMD until recently did some nice fast chips which had a TDP of 45W

[14:22:51]

wagnerrp:

you can get an ATSC/QAM tuner, but chances are most of your channels will be encrypted and unusable

[14:23:12]

wagnerrp:

you can run firewire off your cable box, but again, you get encryption

[14:23:17]

_ba:

ya for the hdtv but about my reg analog ones?

[14:23:44]

wagnerrp:

which leaves analog capture off your cable box, either standard definition with an IVTV card, or high definition with an HDPVR

[14:24:00]

wagnerrp:

the IVTV cards should be used for analog cable as well

[14:24:04]

wagnerrp:

that would be ivtvdriver.org

[14:24:30]

_ba:

i dont currently have a box

[14:24:52]

_ba:

my hdtv is coming in currently off the tv's qam tuner

[14:25:09]

_ba:

i just want to build the pc up enough so when and if i get a box i'll be set

[14:25:10]

wagnerrp:

does your TV have a cablecard?

[14:25:20]

_ba:

no

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wagnerrp:

well then anything your TV can pick up, a QAM tuner in your mythtv box will be able to record

[14:25:49]

_ba:

nice

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wagnerrp:

anything else, you will need a cablebox for

[14:26:13]

_ba:

right

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wagnerrp:

either through firewire or analog capture

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_ba:

you recommend any specfic tv tuner card?

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XLV:

_ba, analog, hauppauge pvr150 or 500 for dual tuners, digital hauppage hvr 1600

[14:32:10]

_ba:

looks like newegg discontinued the 500

[14:33:06]

mzb:

are these as cheap and nasty as the price suggests? => http://cgi.ebay.com.au/9ft-3m-HDMI-Male-to-DV . . . notsupported

[14:33:31]

XLV:

_ba, ebay

[14:33:42]

XLV:

35$ for a pvr 500

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_ba:

xlv http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware shows the 1600 as known not to work

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XLV:

iirc it works, people here recommend it, maybe that page isnt updated, or you need to run latest ivtv to get support

[14:35:28]

_ba:

i see

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gbee:

XLV: he wants HD, that only leaves the HDPVR

[14:36:45]

** mzb looks for a tape measure . . .. **

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gbee:

_ba: PVR150, PVR500, HVR* are all SD

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XLV:

yeah, for USA style cable ( where theres no subscription card so you can use a different device than the provided settop box ), only hdpvr can do it

[14:37:02]

_ba:

so what should i get for hd

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_ba:

or is the 1600 the right choice and that site is jsut outdated?

[14:37:37]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 works

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 has a big that prevents it from working in mythtv

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gbee:

the only options for HD capture would be the HD-PVR, other HD options include a QAM tuner (free channels only), HDHomerun (free only, but external), firewire from an STB

[14:37:52]

wagnerrp:

the 2250 does not currently work

[14:38:00]

wagnerrp:

(for analog... they all work just fine for digital)

[14:38:24]

wagnerrp:

the HDHomerun is just a QAM tuner in an external, ethernet-attached box

[14:38:53]

wagnerrp:

and by free channels, gbee means unencrypted ones

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gbee:

aye

[14:39:07]

wagnerrp:

usually that only means the channels you would otherwise get over ATSC anyway

[14:39:16]

_ba:

ya i think for now the 1600 will fit my needs

[14:39:23]

wagnerrp:

some people get lucky and get a lot more

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_ba:

ya i unfortunately only getting the locals

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wagnerrp:

they meet your needs now... that will change

[14:41:29]

_ba:

true...so u think the hd pvr 1212 the safer route to take?

[14:41:57]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR... only supported in trunk at the moment, and a bit pricey at that

[14:42:13]

wagnerrp:

i was just referring to you being satisfied with one single tuner

[14:42:40]

_ba:

ohhh right i wasn't aware the 1600 was only single tuner

[14:42:47]

_ba:

how do i get a dual tuner setup?

[14:42:55]

iamlindoro:

He doesn't have a box, remember

[14:43:04]

iamlindoro:

so the HD-PVR wouldn't do anything for him

[14:43:04]

wagnerrp:

buy multiple tuners

[14:43:14]

wagnerrp:

well he said he was going to get one in the future

[14:43:21]

iamlindoro:

Wouldn't do anything for him now

[14:43:42]

iamlindoro:

Besides light up and look pretty

[14:44:36]

gbee:

sooo pretty

[14:45:43]

gbee:

if I can stay awake long enough I'll commit the screenshot stuff to mythvideo tonight

[14:46:17]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: while youre around, where is the code that specifies the title shown on screen in mythvideo?

[14:46:20]

_ba:

ya dont with the price of cbl currently i don't see a box coming too soon so i guess i'll get 2x1600's for now

[14:46:35]

wagnerrp:

i found some 'CopyMetadataToUI' in videodlg.cpp line 1350... but got lost

[14:46:44]

gbee:

but I might want some thoughts on how it should be integrated, it should be automatic IMHO, done either during the scan or when the video appears on-screen

[14:46:52]

wagnerrp:

basically, the new season/episode stuff breaks the list view in mythvideo

[14:47:01]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Breaks it how?

[14:47:18]

wagnerrp:

with long show names, all you see is the show name

[14:47:26]

wagnerrp:

the season/episode/subtitle is off screen

[14:47:39]

iamlindoro:

so change that in the theme

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gbee:

wagnerrp: well that's a theme problem not code

[14:47:43]

iamlindoro:

not the code

[14:47:49]

wagnerrp:

thats the theme, not mythvideo? ok

[14:48:03]

iamlindoro:

I did quite a lot of work to make list view work properly, ergo my question :)

[14:48:25]

jduggan:

any freesat people here

[14:48:30]

jduggan:

i got a maplins sat finder

[14:48:32]

jduggan:

that fits inline

[14:48:39]

jduggan:

only it doesnt seem to be getting power

[14:48:40]

wagnerrp:

well even graphite at 720p, it runs over on some titles

[14:48:50]

jduggan:

i double checked that when i put inline its the right direction

[14:48:50]

wagnerrp:

and i dont get the subtitle on most shows

[14:48:52]

gbee:

jduggan: you've plugged the other end into the card or STB?

[14:49:08]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Understood, it's not perfect, hard to get very long titles to fit any button

[14:49:08]

jduggan:

gbee: i dont have an STB, its gone into a nova-s card

[14:49:16]

gbee:

and made sure those are both operating and tuned?

[14:49:33]

gbee:

s/both//

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gbee:

jduggan: computer is switched on?

[14:49:55]

jduggan:

the card is tuned and ive left mythtv-setup doing a scan while i was moving it

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jduggan:

only

[14:50:04]

jduggan:

mythtv-setup doesnt see any signal

[14:50:18]

jduggan:

while the finder is inline

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gbee:

jduggan: hmm, no tone/light from the finder?

[14:50:41]

jduggan:

nothing

[14:50:47]

jduggan:

its not getting power from the card

[14:50:49]

jduggan:

by the looks

[14:50:54]

gbee:

and both ends of the cable are firmly connected?

[14:50:59]

jduggan:

yep

[14:51:03]

jduggan:

as tight as possible

[14:51:12]

iamlindoro:

gbee, out of curiosity, did you see my query re: making the file browser take a Myth URL?

[14:52:05]

gbee:

at this point it's sounding like the finder might be broken, the same cable connected direction to the dish powers the LNB? i.e. power is coming from the card?

[14:52:16]

jduggan:

both ends of the cable are working cables, the mythbox -> lnb cable is working as i can lock on some channels, the piece im using between sat finder and LNB ive taken from a working virgin media STB

[14:52:18]

gbee:

iamlindoro: uh yeah

[14:52:37]

jduggan:

gbee: yea i guess its broke :(

[14:53:00]

jduggan:

provided the PC is on

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jduggan:

and the card in

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jduggan:

it should have power right?

[14:53:18]

gbee:

iamlindoro: I can give you a hand in a couple of hours?

[14:53:22]

jduggan:

i mean i dont have to do anything specific ?

[14:53:28]

jduggan:

to send power

[14:53:35]

jduggan:

other than have modules loaded i guess

[14:53:39]

gbee:

jduggan: no, shouldn't have to

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iamlindoro:

gbee, No worries, I'm out for the morning, just thought you might have a better idea about how to do it in the widget than I

[14:53:49]

jduggan:

gah, maplins closes at 4

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gbee:

tuning to a specific freq/channel maybe

[14:53:52]

jduggan:

have to wait until tomorrow now

[14:54:16]

gbee:

iamlindoro: just off outside to do some fence painting

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iamlindoro:

gbee, sure, whenever

[14:54:40]

jduggan:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=48325

[14:54:42]

jduggan:

this is the one i have

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Just getting tantalizingly close to Sgs in MythVid being viable so I'd like to see if I can get it the rest of the way

[14:54:57]

iamlindoro:

er SGs

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gbee:

jduggan: same as mine

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gbee:

connected the right way around?

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gbee:

to dish on left, card on right?

[14:57:46]

gbee:

iamlindoro: sure, Captain_Murdoch or GreyFoxx might also be able to help, I can help on the purely mythui stuff but they've got the storage group/remotefile knowledge that I currently lack

[14:58:25]

jduggan:

gbee: aha, it has to be scanning

[14:58:29]

jduggan:

or tuned specifically

[14:58:31]

jduggan:

only

[14:58:33]

jduggan:

if i start a scan

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jduggan:

by the time i leg it outside and up the ladder

[14:58:41]

jduggan:

i have 20seconds

[14:58:49]

jduggan:

i can change the scan timeouts right?

[14:59:06]

gbee:

do you have any channels already in the database?

[14:59:17]

jduggan:

i rm'd my old channels.conf

[14:59:20]

jduggan:

stupid

[14:59:22]

jduggan:

no

[14:59:36]

jduggan:

nothing in DB

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jduggan:

i started fresh

[14:59:40]

jduggan:

for this heh

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gbee:

and scan finds nothing? even without the finder?

[14:59:54]

jduggan:

i'll try again

[14:59:56]

jduggan:

brb

[15:00:24]

gbee:

if you can find a channel or manually enter it, then you can go into livetv and do it that way, no timeouts

[15:00:38]

gbee:

I originally had an old STB I was able to use

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jduggan:

well

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jduggan:

i cant get a lock in myth

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jduggan:

i did a scan using the astra 2d file in /usr/share/dvb

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jduggan:

and piped into channels.conf

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jduggan:

and was able to mplayer dvb://"BBC 3" for example

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jduggan:

but myth couldnt lock onto it

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jduggan:

scan -x0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E is what im running now

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jduggan:

and its giving power

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jduggan:

i also have that needle right up to 10

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jduggan:

so seem to have as good a signal as i can

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: line i was actually looking for was 838 in videolist.cpp... the one that actually generates the string to be displayed

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jduggan:

gbee: by the way, as i understand it, you reduce the knob to lower the reading, which means it's more accurate right?

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jduggan:

in which case, at '0' should i have a buzzing?

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jduggan:

if its in teh right position

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f0urtyfive:

Hmmm When I go ingo mythTV frontend live TV, and then hit escape to get back to the menu mythTV crashes

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f0urtyfive:

2009-08–09 11:09:57.173 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None

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f0urtyfive:

Segmentation fault

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jduggan:

gbee: yea, ive done another scan using /usr/bin/scan and have found lots of channels that i can watch fine using mplayer dvb:// myth wont lock on to them :(

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jduggan:

under mythtv-setup, input connections i have: scan type full, frequency 10714000, polarity horizontal, symbol 22000000, fec auto, inversion auto

[15:18:03]

jduggan:

i must be missing something but i cant think what

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jduggan:

the scan shows signal strength 75–79% signal/noise: 54%

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jduggan:

maybe its this noise?

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jduggan:

although its not evident using mplayer

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wagnerrp:

looks like the 'Manage' view was never updated for the season/episode patch

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wagnerrp:

of course its largely redundant now

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dodddummy:

i've searched and can't find any posts regarding watching internet tv on mythtv newer than a year or two old. and i don't see the plugin for this. can you still do that on mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

dodddummy: there was mythstreams... but that is largely abandoned

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wagnerrp:

dodddummy: then there was mythvodka, but hulu started blocking boxee, mythvodka used the same access method

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wagnerrp:

there is a mythtube for accessing youtube

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wagnerrp:

but i dont think that has been updated in several months

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wagnerrp:

and is for trunk only

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dodddummy:

wagnerrp, that's probably what i was using. i'm looking for an application to let us watch thai tv stations streaming on the net. my wive is from thailand.

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wagnerrp:

i think mythstream hasnt been updated since around 0.19

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dodddummy:

wagnerrp, i don't see anything on boxee either.

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mzb:

is it common for "HD" broadcasters to transmit SD without upscaling?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the station

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mzb:

this one only started broadcasting yesterday

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wagnerrp:

one ones around here like to upscale to 1080i, and report 'HD', when the video looks like crap

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mzb:

I can't check visually, as I'm using 51cm PAL TV on s-video (while I figure out the cable issue for the LCD;))

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mzb:

ffmpeg tells me 720x576

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wagnerrp:

thats standard definition

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

I suppose it is "after hours" music videos

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mzb:

I'm sure I've seen clips more than once, too

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mzb:

ah well ... it's all free ... but there's only so much Pink I can take ;)

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jduggan:

aha

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jduggan:

gbee:

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jduggan:

Network Name 'ASTRA 1'

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jduggan:

am i locked into the wrong satellite? :P

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gbee:

jduggan: high pitched buzzing at zero or below would be good, that means a very strong signal

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

i think im in the wrong satellite

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jduggan:

i used next door to get the general direction

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jduggan:

:S

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gbee:

jduggan: yeah, wrong constellation :)

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jduggan:

http://sigkill.noffle.net/~jduggan/channels.conf

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gbee:

you want Astra 2 and/or Eurobird 1

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jduggan:

thats what im getting

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jduggan:

man

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jduggan:

im like 10degrees off

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jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

:P

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jduggan:

well

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jduggan:

atleast i know now where im going wrong

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jduggan:

:)

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gbee:

yup, that's the lineup of the European constellation :) If you like your programming in Finnish, Dutch, or Polish ;)

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jduggan:

sweet

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jduggan:

so 10degress -> that way

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jduggan:

and i should be near

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** jduggan gets back up teh ladder **

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gbee:

idea of the sat finder is that you start with a high positive attenuation, achieve a 10, then dial it down, move until it's high again, and keep going with smaller movements each time to get it down to the highest possible with zero (or less) attenuation

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gbee:

for a Nova-S a signal strength of 79 would be very good, I don't get any better myself but remember that it can vary from frequency to frequency

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jduggan:

ok yea i just checked my channels.conf against lyngsat, im definitly in on 19.2E

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jduggan:

my neighbor is english with a polish wife, i wonder if theyve put their dish up so she can get polish channels

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jduggan:

hence my pointing in their general direction grabbing the wrong sat

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gbee:

heh

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jduggan:

with the attenuation dial up i can only seem to get 10 by pointing in that direction

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jduggan:

when i reduce it, im following the signal back to 19.2

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jduggan:

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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mzb:

found a plate I like (price is good;): http://www.4cabling.com.au/products/HDMI-Wall . . . Sockets.html

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FR^2:

Hmm. Interesting idea, laying hdmi cable into the wall

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wagnerrp:

im content with my hole-in-the-floor installation

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jduggan:

28.8E, is 28.8 degrees from south right?

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jduggan:

(east)

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jduggan:

wooh i got it

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jduggan:

remembered

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jduggan:

my G1 has a built in compass

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jduggan:

helps++

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jduggan:

:D

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gbee:

hope jduggan hasn't fallen off the ladder

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laga_:

G1?

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keith4_:

his private jet

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gbee:

Android based phone

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laga_:

ah

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laga_:

thought of a rifle

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jduggan:

:D

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jduggan:

i have everything except BBC THREE, BBC FOUR, BBC HD

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jduggan:

mplayer gets TS FILE FORMAT DETECTED

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jduggan:

with -msglevel all=9

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jduggan:

i can see it reading NNNN(bytes)

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jduggan:

im guessing the signal isnt great for it

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jduggan:

so still tweaking :S

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jduggan:

gbee: when i bring the dial down towards 0, i can only get the needle going up to like 4 or 5

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jduggan:

is this normal?

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gbee:

jduggan: yeah, just get it as high as possible at zero, if that's between 4 or 5 then that should be fine

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gbee:

jduggan: there is no right or wrong value, the signal strength would vary anyway from place to place, dish, lnb etc can all be factors

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gbee:

jduggan: you have played with the lnb rotation? That would have a significant impact

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jduggan:

gbee: ok, now im getting around 75% signal strength , but around 70% signal noise

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jduggan:

gbee: no i havent touched the rotation of the LNB, i thought it was fixed, but i'll check that, thanks

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gbee:

has values from 1–5, most are supplied at 3

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

so thats not physical rotation?

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gbee:

a good dish alignment can produce a great signal, but if the lnb is rotated to the wrong angle poor quality

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

when you say values 1–5, what do you mean by that?

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gbee:

jduggan: the lnb will have a built in range of movement, sometimes it means twisting the end, sometimes physical rotation, but there should be some markings to indicate the rotation, whether it's lines in the plastic etc

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gbee:

they should be numbered

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keith4_:

how do I find out which /dev/videoX devices go with which inputs on a pvr150?

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gbee:

skew would be the correct term

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jduggan:

gbee: appreciate the advice, i'll look at that now

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gbee:

one of the more common configurations is this – http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/images/lnbskew.jpg

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gbee:

where you have a grub screw that needs to be loosened in order to adjust the skew, there will be numbers indication the current value

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Dagmar:

That seems to be so insanely crude

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Dagmar:

heh

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gbee:

more info down the page here – http://www.uk-satellite-tv.co.uk/technicalhelp_154117.html

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mazda01:

keith4_: pvr-150 only has 1 tuner, it's normally video0, video 1, or video2 depedning on how many tuners you have. the other video ones i am not sure what they are for. like video16 and such

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Dagmar:

For my parents big dish we practically needed a level, a GPS unit, and an astrolabe, and it had a screw that you turned like five rotations to repoint by one degree

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gbee:

jduggan: value of 1 or 2 is probably what you need

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Dagmar:

mazda01: They're for raw access to the tuner

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Dagmar:

i.e., "framegrabber mode" i.e., "THE MODE YOU NEVER USE"

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gbee:

jduggan: http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/2007/08/01/a . . . sky-digital/

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gbee:

though the output is probably not that useful, trial and error will get you to the same place without an array of compasses, protractors and spirit levels

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jduggan:

ive got 70%+ signal for everything it seems, except BBC3 and BBC4, i get (LA_) partial lock

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jduggan:

i get BBC HD to

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jduggan:

which plays

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jduggan:

:D

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jduggan:

i shall try this skew next

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xaxes:

hey there.. have a question about my mythtv.. cant watch livetv anymore, and myhtfrontend says, I havnt any recordings, but the files are actually there ..

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xaxes:

cant remember to change any settings

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jduggan:

gbee: wow, thanks, skew was on 5, i set to 3 and instant lock

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jduggan:

i seem to have everything now around 70%

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juski:

hmmkay. setting the matrix mode to GL_TEXTURE then doing a rotate is rotating only the texture. seems logical

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juski:

a sneaky way round this might be to rotate the world, then do the draw & rotate it back the same amount

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juski:

the other effects are gonna be erm.. 'fun'

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jduggan:

:D

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I know, I wrote it :)

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iamlindoro:

should still he handled in the theme, though-- I think the whole string should be available to the buttonlist

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iamlindoro:

as if you cut out any part of the information, *someone* will write a patch to add it-- so better just to change the buttonlist formatting so that your titles fit (or if you make a change to the way the string is formatted, just use it locally)

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juski:

buggers, they always want MOARINFO

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iamlindoro:

Personally I'm quite happy with the way I wrote it

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juski:

damnit I am SO close to solving this

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iamlindoro:

$title ##x## – $subtitle

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iamlindoro:

falls back to

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iamlindoro:

$title – $subtitle

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iamlindoro:

falls back to

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iamlindoro:

$title

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gbee:

iamlindoro: that's the 'title' field?

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iamlindoro:

no, it's the string used to build a node in tree view

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iamlindoro:

which only maps to "buttontext"

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gbee:

oh tree view, yeah, that's pretty limited as it stands

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gbee:

always meant to make it as flexible as the list but never found the time

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juski:

some people have the time, but lack the HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

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juski:

;)

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iamlindoro:

maybe if I get through the stuff I currently want to get done I'll take a look

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iamlindoro:

would be helped a lot with the conditional stuff

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** juski rocks gently in the corner **

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iamlindoro:

ie format one way for title only, another for title w/ subtitle, another for all three

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** kormoc gives juski a very comfortable, very long sleeved white jacket **

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** iamlindoro notes nobody has committed anything since he went out, cracks the whip **

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iamlindoro:

;)

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gbee:

Viewers are advised that the following response is rated R and should not be viewed by those of a sensitive disposition.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Can you briefly outline how you intended to do the "depends=" stuff and whether you consider it to be a very hard task? There's a lot of stuff that would be helped by it and if it's not too monumental maybe I'll have a look

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gbee:

hmm, can't remember now, give me a minute and I'll think of something

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iamlindoro:

ok :)

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gbee:

well it would have to involves signals in each class which indicate a change of content has occurred, the dependants would connect to the signals triggering an evaluation of whether they are hidden or not

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gbee:

the signal/slot connections would have to be done after the entire screen is loaded, so the parent would have to manage that, in most cases the screentype

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iamlindoro:

hmm, okay... sounds like a larger feat than I had thought it might be

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iamlindoro:

but maybe I'll get inspired :)

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gbee:

each child would register the names of any dependants, parent would keep a map and iterate through after the load was complete

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gbee:

all mythuitypes would need to support a couple of functions – IsEmpty(), IsDefault() maybe which could then be queried by dependants to know whether they need to Hide/Show themselves

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gbee:

ok, assuming there isn't a fundamental flaw in what I've just mapped out, it wouldn't be difficult but it would take a few additions to the code

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gbee:

yeah, pretty straightforward really, best to start by figuring out exactly what you want from it, what conditions 'depends' should work on

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gbee:

is a widget empty (no text/image)? is it the default value? is it visible? those would cover most scenarios I'd image, so what would the xml look like?

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iamlindoro:

I presumed a depends= with comma seperated values in the widget declaration would work

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iamlindoro:

ie <textarea name="subtitle" depends="title,##x##">

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iamlindoro:

maybe with a preceding ! to negate

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iamlindoro:

(though the above is a bad example)

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gbee:

title contains ##x## you mean?

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iamlindoro:

no, I mean depends on multiple elements

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iamlindoro:

##x## is a textarea in mythvideo for season and episode in that format

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gbee:

ahh, ok, didn't know that ... not obvious from the name :)

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iamlindoro:

yeah, makes more sense in context

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gbee:

"seasonepisode" :)

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jduggan:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

there are two formats, ergo my not using that

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iamlindoro:

s##e##, and ##x##

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jduggan:

i can make a new frontend crash everytime by hitting m in livetv playback

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jduggan:

running -fixes

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gbee:

ok, yeah multiple depends would be possible, but then you'd probably want an & or || operator

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gbee:

iamlindoro: did you consider using the template stuff for that field?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, nope

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iamlindoro:

On account of my not knowing what you mean :)

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gbee:

so you'd just have one textarea "seasonepisode" and then the themer could pick the <template>{season}x{episode}</template>

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gbee:

MythUIText::GetTemplateText()

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iamlindoro:

ah, nope, didn't consider that

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gbee:

if (!template.isEmpty) text = "a default";

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gbee:

err s/!//

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gbee:

more flexible and you get to use a name which is more userfriendly

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iamlindoro:

Well if I get it done today people can start using it sometime summer '10 when it gets committed ;)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, it will get committed quickly, promise

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juski:

can I be committed quickly please?

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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juski:

that's cheered me up again. The house of wibbly wobbly

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Am I right in saying that GetTemplateText is used *nowhere* in the program so far?

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iamlindoro:

ie, there are no examples?

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** iamlindoro also casually wonders if the scroll attribute works in any fashion **

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jduggan:

2009-08–09 20:26:49.130 Unable to find font:

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jduggan:

in the frontend, for osd, there's no font selection, guess im missing a package?

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Dagmar:

How can this still be confusing people

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juski:

ffs all the examples/tutorials I can find say do the rotate before draw, which is what I'm doing but still more than what is drawn gets rotated

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gbee:

iamlindoro: umm, let me grep, it was added for a reason so it *should* be used

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juski:

oops: http://imagebin.ca/view/h3r-I-e.html

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gbee:

I'd like to use it for the Program info map stuff, rather than putting template definitions in the <value> field, since that leaves garbage on screen occassionally – e.g. %stars% %subtitle%

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gbee:

iamlindoro: iirc paul actually implemented the idea based around my suggestion, so he might have used it in one of the plugins he maintains

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iamlindoro:

hmm, grepped "grep -ir gettemplatetext *" in plugins

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iamlindoro:

w/ no result

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gbee:

ahh, ok, he did exactly what I just said, it's used in mythscreentype, in SetTextFromMap() which is used for the programme info etc

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gbee:

names are in the format %title% %subtitle% etc

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juski:

I'm beginning to wonder if images in this are being treated as individual entities or not

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gbee:

if SetTextFromMap was used in mythvideo you'd get access to that functionality automatically, otherwise you'd have to copy over the logic, or write your own regexp/replacement code to use it

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gbee:

might not be a bad idea to use SetTextFromMap() in mythvideo, a Metadata::ToMap() method would help that along and it would remove a lot of code

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gbee:

as well as being consistent with ProgramInfo

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I must admit to being hesitant to taking on any large project ATM for a number of reasons

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iamlindoro:

putting a lot of excited effort into something large and then spending month demoralized is very... well, saddening and frustrating, and I don't want to get caught in a cycle of that

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iamlindoro:

er spending months

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iamlindoro:

(note that I am not blaming you for that)

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juski:

OK. A single image is rotated, as would be expected. Anywhere there's a cluster of adjoining images – e.g. a buttonlist.. the bunch of them get rotated. W T F

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juski:

it's as if the bunch is drawn as one unit but I can't see how that could be the case

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wagnerrp:

we need bigger RAIDs at work.....

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wagnerrp:

actually... i should just grab a 2TB or so to store my stuff

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

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gbee:

iamlindoro: sorry, kernel oops, so I missed everything I said right after "as well as being consistent with ProgramInfo"

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gbee:

I'll catch up by reading the logs

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iamlindoro:

gbee, meh, just me whining :)

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juski:

wait a sec, if the image bunch was being treated as a group, then the screenshot I posted earlier wouldn't have button icon images on their own, so it's not that. Arghhhh

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iamlindoro:

juski, Just animate it and let it float around rotating and the compiz folks will wet themselves ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski, never mind usability/readability ;)

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juski:

heh

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juski:

must be close now. has to be something simple

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juski:

save the matrix to the stack, do the rotate, draw, recall the stack. tada! Nope

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darkdrgn2k3:

hye juski,

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darkdrgn2k3:

do you know if the OPENGL issue has been fiex (with it using like 100% cpu with negative vectors)

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** kormoc blinks **

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juski:

how should I know?

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kormoc:

it doesn't even sound myth related...

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juski:

sorry, but if I know answers to questions like that I wouldn't have spent 2 days bashing my head against this code

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: LOL just wondering if you heard anythign about it

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darkdrgn2k3:

kormoc: some themes use up 100% cpu just sitting idly at the menu :(

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k3, yes, that was due to negative positions, not negative vectors

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darkdrgn2k3:

kormoc: oops sorry.. Negative co-ordinacts.

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darkdrgn2k3:

kormoc: any word on that?

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kormoc:

no

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** darkdrgn2k3 sighs **

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darkdrgn2k3:

i think mycommflag is soo far behind because of that LOL

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darkdrgn2k3:

oh well..

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darkdrgn2k3:

not like im paying for any of this :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

so i cant complain

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juski:

nah. seriously need a grownup to look at this gl painter code again

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** iamlindoro applauds RDV_Linux1 on ticket #6825 **

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iamlindoro:

(which I have played with, and it is awesome, BTW)

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juski:

what's he done – put rotation & stuff into the opengl painter? :-O

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

no, but something very sought after none the less

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RDV_Linux1:

iamlindoro: Thanks. I hope people find it as fun to use as it was to write.

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iamlindoro:

IMHO it's a great tool for the "OTA only" folks looking for some extra, legal, free content, much of it in HD

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iamlindoro:

I'll admit that much of the stuff is uninteresting to me, but there are a few gems out there

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wagnerrp:

you know... it was so nice here just a few days ago

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wagnerrp:

now its just oppressive outside

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wagnerrp:

the kind of heat that its like a wall, because your body knows it doesnt want to go out there

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wagnerrp:

the kind of heat that you should only have to suffer if youre already living down there with sphery

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

I went for a 40 mile ride this AM, it was brutal

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iamlindoro:

should have gotten out a few hours earlier :(

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wagnerrp:

my car read 93 when i got in

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wagnerrp:

by the time i got to work, it said 101

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juski:

right, I've had enough

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juski:

if I don't do the push/pop stuff before/after the rotate & draw – i.e. just do the rotate & draw, everything goes screwed up. If I DO do them, the whole row of buttons gets rotated. Very WTF

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juski:

and yet, single images on their own (i.e. not in a list) get rotated fine

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juski:

see here – the top image is rotated 15 degrees, the buttonlist icon images are set to rotate 30 degrees

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juski:

http://imagebin.ca/view/faSdWB.html

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wagnerrp:

oh, i had thought the Miro stuff was for pushing content to miro, not pulling it from

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yeah, pulling from-- it's neato

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Shows up right in recordings, will full flashy metadata-- the small details are all thought out, it's really nice

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wagnerrp:

ill have to look into whatever this thing is that has been flooding the wiki for the past two days

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

is there any list of content? or do you have to download miro to get that?

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wagnerrp:

...its probably on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

yeah, you run miro and subscribe to your stuff, thereafter all the handling is done by mirobridge

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iamlindoro:

yeah, step by step there

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gbee:

crap, upgraded mysql and now it's completely hammering the system 110% cpu

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sid3windr:

hmm looks nice yup

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sid3windr:

pity it needs trunk so it'll take a while until I get to use it :)

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sid3windr:

well done! :)

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iamlindoro:

indeed, I think people will be very into it (and we have heard miro integration requested about a bajillion times)

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RDV_Linux1:

wagnerrp: Sorry about flooding the wiki, As it was my own personal page I developed the MiroBridge wiki page on I did not know that my updates were public.

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RDV_Linux1:

wagnerrp: Kind of kills the surprise factor:-D

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux1: not like my opinion really matters anyway...

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wagnerrp:

... but i dont mind as long as its for a purpose

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wagnerrp:

and not trogod doing... 'research'

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iamlindoro:

heh... stream of consciousness wiki editing

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wagnerrp:

just making a joke about all the updates

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iamlindoro:

no, you're right

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iamlindoro:

it's funny 'cause it's true ;)

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wagnerrp:

i meant RDV's updates

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iamlindoro:

ah

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RDV_Linux1:

How the heck can I avoid the excessive updates the next time? I started in a text editor but at some point you need to check all the formatting.

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux1, the preview button?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux1, can install mediawiki as a package on most distros

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iamlindoro:

Have a few wikis going at work, very very little config required

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RDV_Linux1:

I used that a lot but did not want to loose the work "just in case". I could have copied the text back to my own system.

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RDV_Linux1:

Thanks I will look into that.

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iamlindoro:

on *bunti, it's probably just "mediawiki" as a package

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iamlindoro:

and should come up as ip.add.re.ss/mediawiki

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juski:

hrm. certainly thinking this is all down to a missing glTranslatef(foo,bar,0); now

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Dassu:

Has somebody here been able to boot MythBox with a remote controller ?

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juski:

but what is foo, and what is bar ?

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wagnerrp:

Dassu: i can bring my box out of standby with my remote

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wagnerrp:

i believe there are some remotes that hook into the power switch on the motherboard to allow bootup

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: oke. When in standby does your box produce any noise

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iamlindoro:

Dassu, generally, no

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wagnerrp:

no, hard drives and fans all power down

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iamlindoro:

usually just keeping the RAM alive and waiting for an input on the buses that can wake it

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Dassu:

oke, In able for this standby to be succesful does one require special HW ?

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wagnerrp:

it has to be hardware that supports S3 standby

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gbee:

RDV_Linux1: personally I've no problem with a lot of updates in the wiki, yes, it makes the Recent Changes harder to follow, but it's not obnoxious

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wagnerrp:

and it has to be able to supply power on the necessary buses during standby

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sid3windr:

my imon remote is wired in between mainboard and powerbutton

[21:00:14]

** juski calls time **

[21:00:25]

sid3windr:

it has a green power button which simulates powerbutton press

[21:00:57]

RDV_Linux1:

gbee: You are a scholar and a gentleman:)

[21:01:03]

Dassu:

iamlindoro: ?

[21:01:09]

Dassu:

wagnerrp: ?

[21:01:17]

iamlindoro:

"<wagnerrp> it has to be hardware that supports S3 standby"

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Dassu:

oh nwm :P

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wagnerrp:

generally, standby will get your machine down under a couple watts... or a couple $/yr for operation

[21:02:02]

wagnerrp:

theres not much point to ever turn off your machine and have to wait for it to boot back up

[21:04:07]

wagnerrp:

can core2s not run in single channel mode?

[21:04:24]

Hilikus:

hey guys, is "forget old" not worknig on 0.21? i keep hitting it but it doesn't get scheduled for recording and it still says there's an old one

[21:05:08]

iamlindoro:

Hilikus, Have you waited for the backend to do a reschedule after it? Can take several minutes

[21:05:16]

iamlindoro:

Hilikus, or you can run mythbackend --resched and check the results

[21:05:58]

Hilikus:

oh it's not immdiate?

[21:06:00]

Hilikus:

didnt know that

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Hilikus:

well it's been like 2 mins and i still get

[21:06:25]

Hilikus:

MythTV Status: This episode was previously recorded according to the duplicate policy

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iamlindoro:

run the above command on the backend and check again

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Hilikus:

k

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iamlindoro:

otherwsie, I'll have to defer to mythweb gurus

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

check the duplicate policy on the schedule?

[21:11:54]

kormoc:

and if you know SQL, verify duplicate=0 in the oldrecorded table for that programid?

[21:14:11]

wagnerrp:

i guess this whole stick is just bad

[21:14:21]

wagnerrp:

it cant even bring the video online to give me an error screen

[21:14:56]

wagnerrp:

i should get a loose speaker just to plug in for BIOS codes

[21:16:22]

Hilikus:

the problem is not that it is marked as duplicate. it is true that it is a duplicate from some time ago. the problem is that it's not forgetting when i tell it to

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iamlindoro:

and just like that, he walked out of my life...

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dustybin:

has mythphone been dropped?

[21:30:48]

iamlindoro:

yes

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Dassu:

:-)

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Dassu:

wagnerrp: :-/ aargh tried that "echo -n standby > /sys/power/state" ended up with black screen (most likely fixable) and most of the fans were still turning (most likely not fixable)

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sphery:

Dropping mythphone probably isn't a big deal. I drop my cell phone all the time, and it still works.

[21:41:10]

iamlindoro:

Except as an added bonus, mythphone didn't work before it was dropped ;)

[21:41:12]

wagnerrp:

Dassu: that is a rather hackish way of entering standby

[21:41:16]

iamlindoro:

more expedient that way

[21:41:23]

wagnerrp:

and often there are other things you need to do to bring video back online

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wagnerrp:

not to mention your BIOS has to be set up to use S3 (they usually default to S1)

[21:45:13]

jduggan:

on the subject of phones

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jduggan:

i just tried mythdroid

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jduggan:

while a little buggy

[21:45:27]

jduggan:

forthe most part, it actually works

[21:46:33]

iamlindoro:

myth+noun = application!

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jduggan:

heh

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wagnerrp:

im still waiting on a pythporn

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sphery:

written in python? or pictures of snakes?

[21:47:49]

wagnerrp:

coded by people who cant type

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sphery:

heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't we already have 2 of those, mythvideo and mythbrowser?

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Captain_Murdoch:

and mythgallery I guess as well.

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gbee:

ok, I need to know if I'm the only one who is finding 2.6.31 to be totally unstable?

[21:49:46]

wagnerrp:

yes, but they dont have a privacy mode

[21:50:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

you mean the hotkey that pops up a lotus123 look-alike spreadsheet?

[21:51:02]

** sphery thinks Captain_Murdoch has been playing too much Leisure Suit Larry **

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jduggan:

gbee: im running 2.6.31 on my netbook (for various reasons) and it seems to be stable here

[21:51:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I had some dos program that would do the same thing, it intercepted the keyboard int and woud work for all kinds of things.

[21:51:38]

sphery:

jduggan: including video capture/mythbackend stuff?

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah... because being caught masturbating to spreadsheets is so much better than looking at porn... :P

[21:52:33]

Dr{Wh0}:

Q. any tips on problems with schedules direct linups not aligning with digital QAM cable channel scans?

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, IIRC, LSL actually did exactly that--even Lotus

[21:53:11]

wagnerrp:

Dr{Wh0}: the channels on schedules direct are the ones your cablebox will list off

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wagnerrp:

those have no relation to the channel/subchannel your QAM card will find

[21:53:50]

Dr{Wh0}:

i keep reading something about xmlid or something that i have to manually link?

[21:53:59]

wagnerrp:

once you do a channel scan, you will have to go back through and specify xmlids for all channels, so myth can properly insert the scheduling data

[21:54:00]

sphery:

wagnerrp: at least it's not sharks--like Chandler

[21:54:15]

wagnerrp:

that can be done in the channel editor in mythtv-setup or mythweb

[21:54:22]

wagnerrp:

sphery: eh? must have missed that one

[21:54:40]

Dr{Wh0}:

ok thanks so just a manual process and i was thinking i did something wrong.

[21:55:18]

Dr{Wh0}:

shouldnt someone have published a map? or update script to mysql? i cant be the only one going "Grr this will take an hour or 2"

[21:55:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0583645/

[21:55:29]

wagnerrp:

a map?

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Dr{Wh0}:

ok bad word. some script or sql update query to add all the xmlid's

[21:56:35]

wagnerrp:

there is scte65scan, or something like that

[21:56:39]

sphery:

Dr{Wh0}: the problem is that no one can automatically map /your/ channels to XMLTV ID's if your broadcaster doesn't include sufficient information (i.e. callsign info and logical channel number) that's close enough

[21:56:58]

wagnerrp:

comcast transmits that data in-band, so the program will automatically update it

[21:57:05]

sphery:

if you are on a cable system that's using SCTE, you'll need to use scte65scan to get it done for you automatically

[21:57:20]

Dr{Wh0}:

i have comcast

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wagnerrp:

but everyone else transmits it out-of-band, and only their cableboxes can pick it up

[21:57:39]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, cablecos like to reposition channels on a whim

[21:57:44]

wagnerrp:

so its difficult to manage

[21:57:52]

Dr{Wh0}:

ya i read about that.

[21:57:56]

sphery:

Dr{Wh0}: then you likely need/want scte65scan --search the list and/or wiki for info/where to get it

[21:57:58]

wagnerrp:

Dr{Wh0}: are you in an area that has transitioned to DTAs?

[21:58:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery, scte65scan is only useful in limited markets

[21:58:31]

iamlindoro:

ie, the ones wagnerrp just described

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Dr{Wh0}:

DTA's? i think so its all digital now and you need a box or a qam tuner.

[21:59:22]

iamlindoro:

looks like you're in oregon? If so, yes, they are likely handing out DTAs

[21:59:34]

iamlindoro:

ie "that free useless box you get because they went all digital"

[21:59:35]

Dr{Wh0}:

ya

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, but figured it would be easier for him to figure out if he needs it

[22:00:01]

sphery:

/can use it

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Dr{Wh0}:

so is it inband in my area will some option during scan get the correct xmlids?

[22:00:16]

iamlindoro:

search "scte65scan" in the wiki

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Dr{Wh0}:

k

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jduggan:

hmmm, how do you make a channel not visible on a certain frontend?, i thought you could do it in mythweb, but cant see it

[22:03:25]

iamlindoro:

not per-frontend, just overall

[22:03:25]

jduggan:

found a problem since i just got BBC HD working... when my atom frontend loads the previously recorded it tries to play these HD recordings and kills it

[22:03:45]

jduggan:

also, i accidentally hit the channel and it killed it

[22:03:46]

jduggan:

ah

[22:04:02]

jduggan:

damn, so i cant do anything about this instead of just avoid it? :)

[22:04:48]

iamlindoro:

FWIW trunk doesn't have a video preview so it'll never accidentally play :)

[22:04:57]

iamlindoro:

(in .22)

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jduggan:

yea

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tanderson:

Has anyone considered that for when a commercial break shows up, it shows you how long the cut is and you can Press Return or something to perform the cut

[22:08:24]

tanderson:

You do notifications and you also have auto-skip but there's nothing in the middle

[22:08:32]

kormoc:

tanderson, so you mean edit mode?

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tanderson:

kormoc: not really, more on the fly as it were

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kormoc:

So you want to perform cuts live? sounds dangerous, hit return one extra time, lose a chunk of the recording

[22:10:15]

tanderson:

not cuts, just choosing whether to skip the portions already flagged

[22:10:35]

tanderson:

sometimes you hit a mis-detected flag and you skip 20 minutes

[22:10:47]

iamlindoro:

#5938 is inavlid, he's misunderstanding how mythvideo hunts for the image-- it wants $IMDBNUMBER.png/jpg/gif, so something with two periods in the filename is never going to match anyway

[22:11:58]

iamlindoro:

or base_name.png/jpg/gif

[22:12:16]

iamlindoro:

but two periods in those are fine

[22:12:31]

iamlindoro:

ie file.name.avi.png

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kormoc:

it's a feature request without a patch anyway

[22:13:05]

iamlindoro:

and that

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sphery:

jduggan: since previously recorded has nothing to do with channels, you don't need to hide the channel. Instead, just use recording groups such that you have a "safe" group for your underpowered frontend and use "All Programs" on the other.

[22:13:35]

sphery:

jduggan: or, you can just disable the live preview, which is a per-host thing

[22:13:44]

** kormoc wonders if this will break the world (the world of mythweb) **

[22:13:50]

sphery:

(in -fixes, per-theme in trunk--when it's back)

[22:14:09]

sphery:

maybe it will be enough to finally get you to work on that Python port

[22:14:19]

iamlindoro:

WoM?

[22:14:21]

iamlindoro:

I love that game

[22:14:33]

iamlindoro:

I heard the devs are rewriting it in clutter and python

[22:15:53]

sphery:

I didn't want to pay the subscription price. Just too much money for a single game.

[22:16:07]

kormoc:

[21187] for those of you bothered by the mythweb not honouring scheduler done running events :)

[22:16:36]

sphery:

kormoc: I was more bothered by the people bothered by ...

[22:18:10]

jduggan:

sphery: but i'd also like to remove it out of the guide in this frontend

[22:18:35]

sphery:

including bothered by the fact that now the guy who opened a new ticket with the same issue as 2 previously closed ones that he didn't want to comment on because http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 75019#375019

[22:18:41]

jduggan:

which i understand isnt an option.. :)

[22:18:59]

kormoc:

yeah... fun....

[22:19:05]

sphery:

got validation when his feature request without a patch got fixed, anyway :)

[22:19:33]

sphery:

jduggan: right, not an option until 0.22--when you can use Channel Groups

[22:19:38]

jduggan:

i think i'll stop the playback preview though, this is a severely underpowered box, but works great for SD TV

[22:19:51]

jduggan:

sphery: ooh, excellent, atleast its something that has been thought about :)

[22:20:08]

sphery:

kormoc: That said, though, I'm /really/ glad you fixed it up properly. Thanks.

[22:20:13]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, #5064 – FRWOP

[22:20:20]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, HOLY CRAP that is the oldest FRWOP in trac

[22:21:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wow, that's an old one

[22:21:21]

** iamlindoro makes a note to add the string "This would be so incredibely great" to his trac searched **

[22:21:23]

jduggan:

also, for timeshifted (foo+1) channels, if i make teh call sign the same as the original, is that a problem?

[22:21:24]

iamlindoro:

searches

[22:21:41]

iamlindoro:

that's right, "in-cred-IBE-ly"

[22:22:00]

sphery:

iamlindoro: not to mention search by enhancement

[22:22:06]

iamlindoro:

heh

[22:22:09]

sphery:

generally, enhancements without patches...

[22:22:38]

iamlindoro:

Heh, title is "Implementation of a "playlist mode" "

[22:22:48]

iamlindoro:

he apparently doesn't grok "implementation"

[22:24:25]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, look how productive you're being! ;)

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kormoc:

hehe

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_ba:

trying to get the part list together for a new box anyone see anything i should change or missed? http://pastebin.com/m5b569dbc

[22:29:21]

iamlindoro:

#4419 should be either infoneeded or closed worksforme

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** iamlindoro hopes nobody gets the sense that he is telling them their job, just trying to see if I can find some useless ones **

[22:30:10]

iamlindoro:

All linked samples play in current trunk

[22:30:12]

sphery:

wouldn't that be closed/worksforiamlindoro

[22:30:36]

iamlindoro:

exactly ;)

[22:31:09]

iamlindoro:

Just watched diggnation courtesy of mirobridge, so I know for sure about that one, and I have H.264 files in MKV that play great

[22:31:19]

iamlindoro:

also tekzilla and pixelperfect

[22:33:13]

iamlindoro:

#3895 = have done a libdvdnav update since

[22:38:37]

Dr{Wh0}:

iamlindoro et al. Thanks that utility seems to be the best solution.

[22:41:11]

Dr{Wh0}:

_ba seems like a lot of ram.

[22:41:55]

_ba:

ram is pretty cheap

[22:42:04]

_ba:

was like $120 for 8gb

[22:42:10]

Dr{Wh0}:

wow.

[22:42:16]

Dr{Wh0}:

ya may as well then

[22:43:07]

_ba:

but you think with those tuners and vid card / cpu i should be okay to do dual tuner hdtv off qam tuner?

[22:44:17]

Dr{Wh0}:

i dont think much cpu gets used on qam its already mpeg so i dont see much cpu at all even on a pent IV

[22:44:26]

Dr{Wh0}:

unless your transcoding.

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_ba:

ic

[22:45:56]

Dr{Wh0}:

likely your single drive will bottleneck you before your cpu does

[22:46:07]

Dr{Wh0}:

if you do large transcoding jobs

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kormoc:

that's doubtful

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_ba:

should i try n get a couple of drives and do a raid0?

[22:47:03]

kormoc:

you'll max your cpu long before the drive on any real transcoding

[22:47:34]

Dr{Wh0}:

k. wasnt sure so transcoding is very cpu intensive but i figured the quad core would chew threw it fast.

[22:47:46]

kormoc:

it's not multi-threaded (currently)

[22:47:52]

Dr{Wh0}:

oh..

[22:47:55]

sphery:

IMHO, Myth does /much/ better with multiple filesystems than with 1 big multi-disk

[22:47:56]

Dr{Wh0}:

well in that case

[22:48:14]

sphery:

In fact, I would recommend /never/ having fewering filesystems than capture cards

[22:48:38]

Dr{Wh0}:

same idea as a database you want seperate spindels for log and data

[22:49:04]

sphery:

yeah, definitely put the MySQL database data on a different filesystem from your recordings drives

[22:49:11]

sphery:

and, ideally, on a different physical disk

[22:49:43]

Dr{Wh0}:

so _ba sounds like you should get more smaller drives

[22:50:01]

Dr{Wh0}:

maybe at that rate you may even use up half that power supply's capacity : c )

[22:50:07]

sphery:

not necessarily smaller drives... just more :)

[22:50:14]

Dr{Wh0}:

heh. ya.

[22:50:22]

sphery:

I have 7 drives for 6.5TB total

[22:50:44]

sphery:

_ba: note that HDTV will take between 4 and 8GB/hr

[22:50:45]

kormoc:

Drive size in bytes is fairly unrelated to power usage of the drive

[22:51:21]

Dr{Wh0}:

kormoc. i was refering to 1 vs 4 drives not size.

[22:51:26]

_ba:

ya i'll look into adding some more drives a os drive and some for a raid 0

[22:52:05]

Dr{Wh0}:

though even 1 drive uses minimal power. anyway.

[22:52:26]

kormoc:

_ba, don't bother with the raid-0

[22:52:35]

_ba:

why not?

[22:52:39]

sphery:

_ba: I /highly/ recommend getting an 80 PLUS PSU. I measured and switching from cheap PSU's that came with cases to an 80 PLUS PSU's is saving me > $1.50/mo in electricity costs per backend (I have 2)

[22:52:56]

kormoc:

_ba, IO isn't the issue, and if you lose one drive, rather then just that drive's recordings, you lose them all

[22:53:13]

sphery:

_ba: nvm... just saw that you have an 80 PLUS one on there.

[22:53:23]

kormoc:

_ba, and expanding that raid-0 isn't easy, or shrinking

[22:53:44]

Dr{Wh0}:

looks like his spec he has an 80+ 500w

[22:54:03]

sphery:

yeah, saw it later--I skipped it thinking it was RAM because of OCZ

[22:54:09]

_ba:

i'v not used mythtv yet how does handle when you fill up 1 drive does it know about the other drives?

[22:54:10]

Dr{Wh0}:

ya me too.

[22:54:25]

kormoc:

_ba, yes, it supports multiple filesystems/drives just fine

[22:54:51]

_ba:

okay cool

[22:55:27]

sphery:

_ba: it balances I/O load for you, so by having 1 filesystem per capture card, you'll a) avoid fragmentation, b) minimize seeking, c) fill all filesystems at about the same rate

[22:55:46]

_ba:

gotcha

[22:56:11]

Dr{Wh0}:

maybe a mirror for the OS and mysql drive?

[22:57:31]

Dr{Wh0}:

i am still thinking of going with a flash drive and a thin os. It will be harder but more durable.

[22:58:09]

_ba:

1 other question does anyone else do anything else on there mythtv boxes or does it need to be pretty much be dedicated to dvr?

[22:59:13]

gbee:

depends on the specs, personally I do a lot on my dev backend/frontend since it's the same machine I'm using right now

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_ba:

ya i'd be doing both on the same box

[22:59:47]

gbee:

it runs a fairly normal schedule of recordings and I watch recordings on one screen while working in another

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gbee:

ok, that's a lie, I watch recordings while pretending to work

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Dr{Wh0}:

does mythtv have a DSL distribution? i see some mention of it but not much.

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Dr{Wh0}:

hehe

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kormoc:

Notorious, there's no DSL distro packaged with myth

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kormoc:

ugh no,

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gbee:

heh

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iamlindoro:

gbee, this may sound ill-informed, because it is-- I have a mythuibuttonlist, and I want to return a mythuibuttonlistitem for its first child... is there a simple way to do this?

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sphery:

sacrificing the list's first born?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: can you reword that?

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... I have a MythUIButtonList, and would like to do something like....

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iamlindoro:

MythUIButtonListItem *item = buttonlistvariable->GetChildAt(1);

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iamlindoro:

which is pseudocode, but maybe it will make sense

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gbee:

oh right, so you want the first list item

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iamlindoro:

yes

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gbee:

ok, sorry, really tired and so I was struggling to understand what you wanted there :)

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iamlindoro:

It's certainly my unfamiliarity with the subject matter more than your misunderstanding

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Dr{Wh0}:

getintemfirst then next

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gbee:

yes you can do that and very similar to your example, let me check the function

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . 9412b68cdfc0

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iamlindoro:

gbee, great, thanks

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gbee:

couldn't have been much closer :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: that will be list position, not displayed position, if you want the second item in what is currently displayed that's a little different

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iamlindoro:

gbee, can you elaborate?

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gbee:

i.e. if you are in the middle of the list and want the second item on screen, it's not the second item in the list but maybe the 43rd

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gbee:

in which case you need to use GetTopItemPos() first, that will give you the number of the first displayed item

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iamlindoro:

ah-hah, thanks

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gbee:

say 42 and add one to get the second

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gbee:

GetCurrentPos() gives you the currently selected item's position

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gbee:

anyway, if you look over the public member functions of that class (or any other class for that matter) it should self-explanatory and where it's not I'm happy to help – http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . tonList.html

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gbee:

I've not documented that class yet, really should though

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Thanks, and it's good to know that, I was barking up the wrong list and should have been working w/ MythGenericTree

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Found what I was looking for in your docs for that, though

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iamlindoro:

gbee, reviving a very old ticket that descends into a MythVideo folder w/o an image and uses the first Child's coverimage as the image as a last resort

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iamlindoro:

Not quite working yet, but think I'm at least on the right track now

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gbee:

ah

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gbee:

the tree stuff is less developed because it's not really used in many places, just one right now

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iamlindoro:

http://pastebin.com/m7ff66408

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iamlindoro:

Think I am basically right here, but nothing yet-- suspect I'm using getChildAt wrong

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gbee:

iamlindoro: first child in the tree will usually be the 'upnode' or similar

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Assumed it started from 0, thus 1 would be first "real"

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gbee:

iirc, maybe I'm remembering wrong, stick a verbose in the if (metadata) {} to see

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gbee:

there might be another, hidden node at each level, I seem to remember something like that

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iamlindoro:

maybe so, trying 2 for fun

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iamlindoro:

Ah, think I know what my issue is, duh

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iamlindoro:

hmm, maybe I don't...

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gbee:

btw, missing a space between the if and opening bracket ( on one line

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iamlindoro:

yeah, fixed here :)

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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gbee:

"Professor Mike Dunne, who leads a European venture that is also pursuing nuclear fusion with lasers, told BBC News that if NIF was successful, it would be a "seismic event"."

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gbee:

bad choice of words

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laga_:

heh. "The LHC will be a gaping success" ;)

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juski:

I can save us all. I'll just rotate us onto another plane

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iamlindoro:

sweet, works

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juski:

yeah, still here, back at it. Like a crack addict

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laga_:

juski: still sick?

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juski:

thankfully the flu has subsided.

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juski:

been feeling more or less ok since Friday :)

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juski:

now I'm just erm.. what's the word. OBSESSED with the gl painter code

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iamlindoro:

gbee, http://pastebin.com/md8a9f6d

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iamlindoro:

There we go

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juski:

anybody know the name of variables with the screen size off the top of their head?

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juski:

in myth code, I mean. stuff I can use in mythpainter

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, now you need to consider the possibility that the first child is a directory :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

true

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gbee:

but otherwise great work

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iamlindoro:

easy fix, though

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iamlindoro:

Right, so like I said ;) http://pastebin.com/m562a944e

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juski:

yeah I think I need to translate the matrix origin to the centre of the screen before doing the rotate. hum

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carpenike:

hi all, does Myth support playing VIDEO_TS folders directly or do I need to do some extension renaming to get it to play?

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