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| [00:00:12] | Dagmar: | That''s the uids you've assigned that filesystem is why. |
| [00:00:20] | wagnerrp: | if your user and group IDs do not match between systems, youre in for trouble |
| [00:00:32] | Dagmar: | Type `la -al` and then `ls -aln`. Notice the numbers in the second form. |
| [00:00:46] | Dagmar: | The -n makes it show you numeric uids/gids WITHOUT resolving them into usernames/groupnames |
| [00:00:49] | new2linx: | Dagmar wagnerrp that must be it. darn it. i ran into this before and had real fun trying to sort it out |
| [00:01:03] | Wicked: | ok i think i have it all figured out now...im pretty sure i have my slave set up...how do i tell mythtv to use the slave for transcoding and commercial flagging? |
| [00:01:03] | Dagmar: | And just think, if you'd read the docs it woudln't have ever been a mystery |
| [00:01:26] | wagnerrp: | we had one user at work (who perfectly indicates the problem with everyone knowing the root password) who ended up chowning the entire user directory in an attempt to fix mismatched user ids on one system |
| [00:01:34] | wagnerrp: | entire home directory, rather |
| [00:01:53] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i didn't see anything about ensuring uid gid were the same some system to system. sorry, i'll read closer. |
| [00:02:36] | Dagmar: | Strictly speaking it's not entirely necessary, but it IS how file permissions work |
| [00:02:58] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: IIRC, the defaults are to enable transcoding and commflagging on each host |
| [00:03:13] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue will just go to the first open machine on the list |
| [00:03:50] | wagnerrp: | new2linx: the file system only holds numbered IDs, its up to the local system to alias those back into names |
| [00:04:40] | wagnerrp: | all POSIX systems function in this manner |
| [00:04:41] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [00:05:05] | new2linx: | weird, when I ran ls -aln /var/lib/mythtv/, it does show that all 104 for uid and 106 for gid. so that must mean that number 104 on one of my computers is the hplip owner and the nvram must be the group |
| [00:05:21] | new2linx: | i suppose i have to go somewhere else to get help with this? |
| [00:06:04] | wagnerrp: | you should be questioning you would be using 'hplip' as the owner of your recordings |
| [00:06:12] | wagnerrp: | rather than something more sensible, like 'mythtv' |
| [00:07:43] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, it all has to do with exporting them via nfs, i just did this and didn't realize what happened. on the main server master backend, everything is owned by mythtv:mythtv |
| [00:08:07] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Trust us on this, don't try to cherry-pick the info you think you need for a specifc task |
| [00:08:19] | Dagmar: | Read ALL of each howto or help file you come across |
| [00:08:20] | wagnerrp: | well having mythtv:mythtv being 104:106 is probably wrong too |
| [00:08:28] | Dagmar: | People WILL pay you money for no other reason than you can read, later on |
| [00:08:29] | wagnerrp: | i thought most systems usually started numbering at 1000 |
| [00:08:43] | Dagmar: | wagnerrep: It's distribution-specific |
| [00:08:44] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i am off to research how to properly export nfs so that uid and gid's match between systems |
| [00:09:01] | wagnerrp: | well the three systems ive got experience with all start at 1000 |
| [00:09:16] | Dagmar: | SOme start at 100, some start at 1000. The important thing is htat no one screws up and assigns user accounts below that number without good reason and a knowledge of how that machine handles role accounts |
| [00:09:16] | wagnerrp: | new2linx: that has nothing to do with nfs |
| [00:09:31] | wagnerrp: | and everything to do with making sure the accounts on each system match up |
| [00:09:39] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Mainly it's the /etc/passwd file on the server you're logged into typing 'ls` on that does the resolution |
| [00:09:43] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to go into your password files and change them |
| [00:09:50] | Dagmar: | ...and NOW we're getting to more reasonable questions |
| [00:09:51] | Wicked: | hmm..so i think im a bit confused. ive got the master and slave backends running....i dont see how i make the slave take on the commercial flagging and transcoding. how exactly do i achieve this? |
| [00:09:57] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, well, before I mounted the nfs share, the /var/lib/mythtv/ folder was owned by mythtv:mythtv. I thought anyway? |
| [00:10:03] | wagnerrp: | and then youre going to have to sweep through your entire filesystem, and change permissions do the files match up |
| [00:10:41] | wagnerrp: | if mythtv is user 104 on one machine, you want mythtv to be user 104 on all machines that will be sharing file systems |
| [00:10:51] | wagnerrp: | your other option is to use samba |
| [00:11:07] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, why would you say that 104:106 is wrong for mythtv:mythtv? that's what mythbuntu jaunty jackalope did by default |
| [00:11:13] | wagnerrp: | since CIFS is not a POSIX based file system, it handles user access completely different |
| [00:11:51] | wagnerrp: | because your IDs dont match between systems |
| [00:12:11] | wagnerrp: | like i said, if they are not the same numbers on ALL CONNECTED SYSTEMS, youre going to have problems |
| [00:12:11] | Dagmar: | new2linx: he was getting ahead of himself |
| [00:12:44] | Dagmar: | new2linx: You absolutely *do* however want to try to make sure the uids and gids used by Myth are the same on all your boxes tho |
| [00:12:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, about that, i thought is was common to start at 1000 |
| [00:12:49] | Dagmar: | It'll dramatically simplify things |
| [00:12:51] | wagnerrp: | but apparently ubuntu starts at 100 |
| [00:12:58] | wagnerrp: | simply ignorance on my part, nothing more |
| [00:13:04] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, well, what if I start with saying that the master backend/frontend, file server, http server uid and gid is the gospel. now I need to make sure that user mythtv uid is 104 on all machine and 106 is mythtv group? |
| [00:13:10] | Dagmar: | well, you're right because it *is* common to start user accoutns at 1000. What it isn't tho is required or universal |
| [00:13:28] | Dagmar: | Hell, Slackware was one of the few that kept starting uids at 100 for a LONG time |
| [00:13:47] | Dagmar: | new2linx: That bit is easy |
| [00:14:13] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Contrary to anecdotal reports, not a DAMN thing happens if you use vi to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group, so long as you don't muck the format up |
| [00:14:19] | new2linx: | Dagmar, well, if that's the easy part, then what's gonna be the hard part? |
| [00:14:31] | Dagmar: | Editing a simple text file without f**king it up? |
| [00:14:37] | Dagmar: | I know, not exactly hard. |
| [00:15:02] | Dagmar: | The /etc/passwd file dictates what the userid and default group id are for a given username. |
| [00:15:02] | wagnerrp: | remember that afterwards, you have to sweep through the file system and change all permissions to the new IDs |
| [00:15:23] | wagnerrp: | failing to do so would probably break your printer drivers |
| [00:15:32] | wagnerrp: | although im not sure what a 'nvram' group would be for |
| [00:15:36] | Dagmar: | So like, let's take my system for example, one line in /etc/paswwd is |
| [00:15:36] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so you're saying i just have to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group so that mythtv uid is 104 and gid is 106? |
| [00:15:37] | Dagmar: | news:x:9:13:news:/usr/lib/news:/bin/false |
| [00:15:56] | Dagmar: | That third colon-separated field says that the uid for the news account is 9, and that the default group for it is 13. |
| [00:16:05] | Dagmar: | If you look in /etc/groups... |
| [00:16:11] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, what do you mean sweep though the system and change all permissions? |
| [00:16:14] | Dagmar: | news:x:13:news |
| [00:16:27] | wagnerrp: | permissions in the file system are stored as numbers |
| [00:16:27] | Dagmar: | ...which says there's a group named 'news' that is gid 13. |
| [00:16:36] | Dagmar: | That's _really_ all there is to mapping uid/gids on the local system. |
| [00:16:41] | Dagmar: | It's just that simple. |
| [00:16:53] | wagnerrp: | currently, youre going to have files mapped to 104/hplip |
| [00:17:03] | Dagmar: | If I wanted the news account's uid to be say, 1234, I'd just have to edit /etc/passwd and change the 9 to 1234 and it would be done |
| [00:17:06] | wagnerrp: | when you cycle numbers around, those files will now be owned to 104/mythtv |
| [00:17:31] | Dagmar: | HOWEVER, all the files that were previously owned by "news" will still be owned by uid 9, so I'd need to go and re-own anything that is now owned by the wrong user |
| [00:17:34] | wagnerrp: | hplip no longer owns those files, so if for whatever reason it needs to access them and cant (because it is no longer owner), something breaks |
| [00:17:37] | new2linx: | Dagmar, understood. so after I change /etc/passwd and tell it mythtv should be 104 and group 106, i have to go into /var/lib/mythtv and ensure all permissions are mythtv:mythtv not hplip:nvram, is that what you're saying |
| [00:18:02] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Not so fast. The other thing you ABSOLUTELY must do is be SURE that nothing else is using that same uid or gid |
| [00:18:04] | wagnerrp: | right now, your files are simply owned by 104 and 106 |
| [00:18:16] | Dagmar: | Never, ever, assign the same uid to more than one username. |
| [00:18:19] | wagnerrp: | after you change the password files, they will still be owned by 104 and 106 |
| [00:18:21] | new2linx: | Dagmar, oh boy. good point |
| [00:18:22] | Dagmar: | ...and same goes for groups |
| [00:18:47] | Dagmar: | You can have manyu people in one group, but the groupid to groupname relationship (as the uid/username) should be 1-to-1 always |
| [00:18:55] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: it may not be good practice, but it doesnt break anything |
| [00:18:59] | new2linx: | Dagmar, it would probably be smartest to change the mythtv:mythtv to a really high number so that I know it's not used. |
| [00:19:14] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Considering 1100 will probably do it? Nope. |
| [00:19:32] | Dagmar: | For some reason most home users seldom have more than a dozen or so accounts. ;) |
| [00:19:58] | Dagmar: | As long as you keep /etc/group sorted properly by userid, it should be pretty easy to avoid duplicating anything |
| [00:20:08] | wagnerrp: | for a while, i had a second account on my laptop using the same UID as my main account |
| [00:20:35] | wagnerrp: | a quick fix to allow proper printing to the network LPR printers in the engineering labs |
| [00:20:44] | Dagmar: | By the way, this is a "freebie". Write it down. You will need to know this later, I'm almost certain... |
| [00:21:13] | Dagmar: | `find -uid n -exec chown username {}\;` |
| [00:21:13] | wagnerrp: | freebsd defaults to having 'root' and 'toor' accounts, both as user 0 |
| [00:21:46] | Wicked: | hmm. on the slave backend when i goto start it it keeps saying "ln: creating symbolic link `/home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt': File exists" |
| [00:21:51] | new2linx: | here are the passwd files, dell=http://pastebin.com/f7ba826bf core2duo=http://pastebin.com/f693cb5af celeron=http://pastebin.com/f19a6eab4 |
| [00:22:09] | wagnerrp: | and i just yanked my mouse off my desk with my foot, breaking a THIRD front panel USB module for this case |
| [00:22:10] | Dagmar: | If you wind up moving a username to a different id, that's the syntax you'll need to use with find in order to make it fix the file ownerships from the current working directory down |
| [00:22:28] | wagnerrp: | guess its time to call antec again... |
| [00:22:40] | Dagmar: | Minor deviation, -gid n -exec chgrp username {}\; |
| [00:22:46] | Dagmar: | The {}\; is necessary |
| [00:23:38] | Dagmar: | MOst user accounts aren't going to own files that aren't in /home/username anyway so it's not that big of an issue |
| [00:24:02] | Dagmar: | I'm just saying it because it's likely to come up and that sort of invocation is slightly more complex than is worth explaining much |
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| [00:24:24] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Whose binary are you trying to run? |
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| [00:24:36] | Dagmar: | I think they need to be reacquainted with the man page for ln |
| [00:24:37] | Wicked: | the one i compiled myself |
| [00:24:56] | Wicked: | and the same init script ive been using for over a year |
| [00:25:15] | wagnerrp: | you link the file in every time you run the backend? |
| [00:25:19] | Dagmar: | Hm... no idea what's supposedly failing to make a symlink |
| [00:25:25] | Dagmar: | I'd ignore it if nothing is obviously broken |
| [00:25:44] | wagnerrp: | besides the fact that nothing to be using mysql.txt anymore anyway |
| [00:25:44] | Wicked: | but it wont start |
| [00:25:48] | Wicked: | let me pastebin it |
| [00:25:52] | wagnerrp: | the only things that do are old abandoned scripts |
| [00:26:03] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Well, I'm sure there's more reason to it than that unless your script is just _that_ broken |
| [00:26:06] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/f2bd0e5f8 |
| [00:26:16] | Dagmar: | You can't be bothered to debug your own script? |
| [00:26:19] | Dagmar: | Start the thing manually. |
| [00:26:47] | Wicked: | i did try to run mythbackend normally |
| [00:26:59] | Dagmar: | So what did it say then? |
| [00:27:08] | Wicked: | let me check |
| [00:27:38] | Wicked: | bah its out of the buffer on that screen. but i ran /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid |
| [00:27:42] | Wicked: | let me retry to run it |
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| [00:28:06] | Wicked: | works fine. |
| [00:28:19] | Wicked: | 2009-08–05 20:27:48.070 Connected successfully |
| [00:29:34] | Wicked: | and the *same* script is working fine on my master backend |
| [00:29:46] | Dagmar: | And yet, somehow you've set your bash binary on fire |
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| [00:30:22] | Wicked: | i guess so....i havent done anything out of the ordinary |
| [00:30:32] | wagnerrp: | no recordings tonight... guess that makes it a good time to do upgrades |
| [00:30:33] | Dagmar: | Other than possibly the system needing to be dropped out the nearest ninth-story window, I see no reason why the test at line 53 of your pastebin could possibly fail |
| [00:31:07] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so if I just go through and make sure that all 3 systems have the same uid and gid in the /etc/passwd and /etc/group file, then everything should be fine? then just make sure that permissions are ok for everything in the filesystem? |
| [00:31:17] | Dagmar: | new2linx: pretty much |
| [00:31:31] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Look at it this way |
| [00:31:40] | Wicked: | i dont see why not either :( |
| [00:31:47] | Dagmar: | The filesystem itself simply keeps track of what userid and groupid files belong too |
| [00:31:59] | Dagmar: | It knows *nothing* about anything beyond those numbers. |
| [00:32:18] | Dagmar: | The system's /etc/group and /etc/passwd files are what assigns a _meaning_ to those numbers |
| [00:32:47] | Dagmar: | Once you export the filesystem across the network, there's no way to really link those two things back up again, so your exported filesystem just has only those numbers attached to it |
| [00:33:12] | Dagmar: | The other systems that will be trying to mount that filesystem must get the meaning for those numbers through their *own* /etc/passwd and /etc/grouop files |
| [00:33:19] | new2linx: | Dagmar, understood |
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| [00:33:33] | Dagmar: | ...otherwise they're just a bunch of files no one actual user owns to those systems (if you're lucky) |
| [00:33:42] | Dagmar: | (if you're unlucky it'll be the WRONG users) |
| [00:34:08] | Dagmar: | The other way around that issue is to use NIS/YP, but I could probably be hauled up on cruelty charges on that one |
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| [00:34:45] | Greek-Boy: | I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing |
| [00:34:47] | new2linx: | Dagmar, since core2duo has 104 and 106 as hplip and nvram and I would need to change 104 to mythtv and 106 mythtv, i am guessing i'll first need to chose a new number on the dell system because that's the server that's exporting the nfs shares |
| [00:34:53] | Dagmar: | Wicked: So if thine eye offends thee, rm that f**ker |
| [00:35:07] | Dagmar: | Wicked: That symlink is useless now anyway so just delete those three lines. |
| [00:35:26] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Pick a uid/gid pair that's available on all three. |
| [00:35:32] | Wicked: | thats the weird thing...locally on the server that file does not exits. |
| [00:35:41] | Wicked: | there is no sym link where it says there should be |
| [00:36:26] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Umm... Here's n idea. At line 49, add an echo statement that does this.... `echo ":$USER: :$USER_HOME:" |
| [00:36:35] | wagnerrp: | new2linx: anything between 120–65536 is probably available |
| [00:36:42] | Dagmar: | The colons would normally be important, but now that I've typed that I know what you muffed |
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| [00:36:50] | Dagmar: | Do it anyway. |
| [00:36:57] | Dagmar: | Follow that echo statement with an exit, and then run it |
| [00:37:07] | new2linx: | Dagmar, yeah, i am going to go with 12345 for mythtv uid and 12346 as gid for mythtv |
| [00:37:17] | Wicked: | hmmm |
| [00:37:28] | Dagmar: | new2linx: A little high but they'll do |
| [00:37:32] | wagnerrp: | why not make them the same? |
| [00:37:47] | wagnerrp: | UIDs and GIDs are completely independent |
| [00:37:49] | wagnerrp: | they can overlap |
| [00:38:00] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, dah, you're right, the uid and gid can be the same |
| [00:38:15] | wagnerrp: | they just happened to not to in this case because there was something else already as groups 104 and 105 |
| [00:38:42] | new2linx: | Dagmar, will this affect how mythtv is run? or i just need to make sure that stuff in /var/lib/mythtv is owned by mythtv uid and gid right? |
| [00:38:51] | Dagmar: | new2linx: That's about it |
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| [00:38:59] | Dagmar: | They're just numbers used for accounting |
| [00:39:11] | Wicked: | im not sure i understand what you want me to do Dagmar? add this line to the start up script ? `echo ":$USER: :$USER_HOME:" |
| [00:39:39] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Actualkly, just run the script with bash -x scriptname 2>&1 | less |
| [00:39:44] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i need to stop all process using the mythtv user right? since i am changing it's uid and gid? |
| [00:39:49] | Dagmar: | It'll be obvious why the command fails when you get there |
| [00:40:00] | Wicked: | ok will try now |
| [00:40:09] | wagnerrp: | that would be preferable |
| [00:40:10] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Considering those processes are owned by the uid/gid and not the username/groupname yeah |
| [00:40:19] | wagnerrp: | since those processes will continue using the old IDs |
| [00:40:56] | Dagmar: | I mean, techncially you could change them in "mid flight" with a particular command, but let's not do that because it's hellishly improper. ;) |
| [00:41:31] | wagnerrp: | one of the kill signals do that? |
| [00:41:41] | new2linx: | wait, not sure if I understand. will everything be ok if I edit the /etc/passwd file to make mythtv be 12345 and edit /etc/group to make mythtv 12345? then just check permissions in /var/lib/mythtv on the master backend and then restart mythtv? |
| [00:41:47] | wagnerrp: | or are you talking some C function in one of the libraries |
| [00:42:05] | Wicked: | Dagmar, i see where its erroring but i dont understand why |
| [00:42:10] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: No but I'm pretty sure chowning the right place in /proc might have an effect. Possibly ranging from "bad" to "spectacularly bad" |
| [00:42:21] | new2linx: | Dagmar, is there a nifty ps command that will show me which processes are being run by mythtv? |
| [00:42:28] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Yes |
| [00:42:31] | wagnerrp: | 'u' |
| [00:42:33] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/m62c5c603 |
| [00:42:43] | Dagmar: | THere's like many different ways to do it actually |
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| [00:43:34] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Okay. I think maybe bash is on fire |
| [00:44:15] | new2linx: | ps -U mythtv |
| [00:44:29] | juski: | arghhh what was I thinking? |
| [00:44:42] | juski: | biting off way more than I can chew again. heh |
| [00:45:06] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Seriously, run `if [ ! -e /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt] ]; then echo true; fi |
| [00:45:21] | Dagmar: | Um, without the extra ] tho |
| [00:45:29] | Dagmar: | If should NOT return true |
| [00:45:50] | juski: | oh yeah, analogue clock displays with bitmaps.. dead easy! Do easy sums on the time units to turn em into angles & just draw bitmaps at those angles. Yeah. LOL |
| [00:46:17] | Wicked: | Dagmar, hmm well it does return true. i have no idea why its doing this. |
| [00:46:34] | juski: | except there's not yet a method for drawing mythui images at arbitrary angles. doof |
| [00:46:46] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Check the permissions on /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [00:46:47] | Wicked: | i set up mythtv the way i always do..using the same exact script with the same exact svn revision....i am out of ideas. |
| [00:46:51] | Dagmar: | I bet at some point you set them 000 |
| [00:47:10] | Dagmar: | If it can't TELL that the file exists then it'll break |
| [00:47:11] | Wicked: | i havent touched anything in /home/myhtv |
| [00:47:24] | Wicked: | i did useradd mythtv and thats it |
| [00:47:27] | Dagmar: | So then you won't have a problem with rm -rf'ing /home/mythtv/.mythtv then |
| [00:47:42] | smithna: | what should I expect to see in my logs if I have vdpau enabled (as stated in the wiki, without the backup) and am playing a video? Right now I have no sign of vdpau/VDPAU in my logs... |
| [00:48:11] | Wicked: | nope. i just removed that |
| [00:48:14] | Wicked: | lets try again |
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| [00:53:31] | Dagmar: | FAIL. |
| [00:53:32] | Dagmar: | Mythtv's home directory should NOT be owned by root. |
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| [00:53:34] | Wicked: | thats how useradd made it |
| [00:53:34] | Dagmar: | Chown the thing to the mythtv user |
| [00:53:34] | Dagmar: | useradd muffed up |
| [00:53:34] | Dagmar: | ...ebceasue that is just _wrong_ |
| [00:53:34] | Dagmar: | On _any_ system. |
| [00:53:34] | Dagmar: | If a user doesn't own their own home directories, they'll have one hell of a time writing any files in there. |
| [00:53:35] | Dagmar: | So, either useradd is broken or you are. |
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| [00:54:03] | Dagmar: | Guess which one I'm putting *my* money on being broken |
| [00:54:29] | Wicked: | ok this is seriously annoying now lol http://pastebin.com/m4c2bab2f |
| [00:54:57] | Dagmar: | Look at the permissions on /home/mythtv again |
| [00:54:57] | Wicked: | Dagmar, if im wrong.. then this is wrong also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install |
| [00:55:17] | Dagmar: | You realize that if I read that page to find out it's not wrong, I'm going to think you're a total moron, right? |
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| [00:55:26] | Dagmar: | I'm damn sure I'm right about this. |
| [00:55:34] | Dagmar: | User accounts MUST own their own home directories |
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| [00:55:43] | Dagmar: | You can't even login otherwise |
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| [00:55:59] | Dagmar: | Most /bin/login implementations will tell you to piss off based on that criteria alone. |
| [00:56:38] | Greek-Boy: | I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing |
| [00:57:08] | Wicked: | ok. still makes no sense. i removed the user. rm -rf'ed the users home dir. readded the user. then tried the script again...guess what?....same error. i have nfi. |
| [00:57:11] | Wicked: | this makes no sense |
| [00:57:23] | Dagmar: | Wicked: How exactly is that page supposed to indicate that one of you is wrong? |
| [00:58:00] | Wicked: | Dagmar, i followed its directions. so if im wrong...that page has to be too...as i did what it said to do and nothing else |
| [00:58:03] | whoever: | juski: I got it to work but I am only gettiny up to channle 14 everythingafter that is static(I have basic cable), I have my setting to us-cable |
| [00:58:09] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [00:58:20] | juski: | oh poop. rotate is deprecated & I have to use a transformation matrix |
| [00:58:26] | Dagmar: | I'm not putting any faith in that you didn't somehow break the useradd script |
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| [00:58:56] | Wicked: | ok then w/e man. i havent modified the useradd script or anything its all default. |
| [00:59:18] | Dagmar: | Then you have an ubuntu problem |
| [00:59:27] | Dagmar: | I'm telling you, user accounts must own their homedirs |
| [00:59:29] | Dagmar: | Period. |
| [00:59:39] | Wicked: | obviously |
| [00:59:51] | Dagmar: | If you like, delete the username and it's homedir, and then use useradd to create it again |
| [01:00:01] | Dagmar: | If it creates it owned by root, go carp at the people in #Ubuntu |
| [01:00:26] | juski: | wha? google is down? |
| [01:00:27] | Dagmar: | Otherwise have the sense to admit you muffed it somewhere trivial and move on |
| [01:00:50] | wagnerrp: | works over here across the pond |
| [01:00:51] | Dagmar: | (or that you desperately need a firewall to keep the Romanians out of your network) |
| [01:01:31] | Dagmar: | juski: Must be routing. iGoogle works fine for me |
| [01:01:54] | Dagmar: | Why they decided they needed an `i` in there is beyond me tho |
| [01:01:56] | juski: | temporary hickup I think. phew |
| [01:01:58] | Wicked: | ok i removed mythtv and its home dir. i then readded mythtv. when i added mythtv no /home/mythtv dir was create. |
| [01:02:12] | Dagmar: | Did you type `useradd` or `adduser`. |
| [01:02:17] | Dagmar: | There is a difference between the two commands. |
| [01:02:19] | Wicked: | useradd |
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| [01:02:25] | Dagmar: | Either way it's still an Ubuntu problem |
| [01:02:32] | Wicked: | just like the guide says to |
| [01:02:37] | Dagmar: | Either way it's still an Ubuntu problem |
| [01:02:43] | Dagmar: | Complain to them |
| [01:02:52] | Wicked: | might want to fix that article also |
| [01:02:59] | Dagmar: | You do it. |
| [01:03:01] | Dagmar: | It's a wiki. |
| [01:03:13] | Dagmar: | However, it IS correct. |
| [01:03:18] | new2linx: | Dagmar, ok, so would I be able to fix the permissions with this command sudo find / -uid 104 | xargs sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv |
| [01:03:43] | Wicked: | no. its not. lol. i followed it step by step and ill tell ya...it didnt work. but thats ok |
| [01:04:00] | new2linx: | Dagmar, and then run this command sudo find / -gid 106 | xargs sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv |
| [01:05:17] | Dagmar: | new2linx: No. |
| [01:05:17] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i have to ask because I am no good at using find with xargs and pipes. i am not a coder nor do I understand how to use it but I am trying to learn. i have read man find and looked at the examples but i am just looking for some confirmation |
| [01:05:34] | Dagmar: | What have we said about cutting and pasting blindly and using command line arguments you don't undestand in particular? |
| [01:05:35] | new2linx: | Dagmar, my syntax is wrong then? |
| [01:06:06] | Dagmar: | If you use chown -R you will recursively change attributes on files/directories that may NOT have actually been owned/groouped to 104/106 |
| [01:06:07] | new2linx: | Dagmar, you said not to do it. i have read man find and learn by example, so I read the example and thought that woudl work |
| [01:06:26] | juski: | "Rotation is achieved by carefully setting both the shearing factors and the scaling factors". Hahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [01:06:32] | sphery: | Ah, beautiful... Trying to watch a single episode of Harper's Island on cbs.com, and it's crashed Firefox twice--and both times at stream changes when they inserted their precious commercials. |
| [01:06:52] | new2linx: | Dagmar, but I thought if I use | xargs it'll only chown -R the results of the find command. oh crap, i guess I screwed up hey> |
| [01:07:04] | sphery: | Too bad nothing will change with HTML 5--after all, if they go open standards for video, how do they keep all those thieves from stealing it. |
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| [01:07:18] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Dunno why you'd think that since -R applies to chown, not xargs |
| [01:07:37] | Dagmar: | sphery: The same way they do now. Oh wait... |
| [01:08:22] | Dagmar: | new2linx: It's very, VERY important that you be 100% sure of every little piece you run as root |
| [01:08:48] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so i probably just scrwed my whoel system then? |
| [01:09:01] | Dagmar: | "We" don't much care for the newfangled overuse of `sudo` by certain new distros that will remain unnamed, as they seem to forget that they should teach people to BE CAREFUL |
| [01:09:11] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Not particularly |
| [01:09:13] | Dagmar: | Not THIS time anyway |
| [01:09:14] | wagnerrp: | there is very little you can do to screw a system, short of mass deletion of files |
| [01:09:27] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Misusing chown -R will do it pretty fasst |
| [01:09:35] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, they protect it now with Flash and hidden URI's |
| [01:09:53] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: yeah... i had to recover from an accidental call of that from one of the other users at work |
| [01:10:02] | Dagmar: | There's a degree to which it's more useful to have new users just plain old su – to bash and learn to be wary when the # prompt is about |
| [01:10:08] | new2linx: | ok, well I ran sudo find / -uid 104 | xargs chown -R mythtv:mythtv. what would be the correct command to search the entire filesytem and chaneg all files with uid 104 to mythtv? |
| [01:10:24] | juski: | chuffing heck. looks like qt 4.5 has native 3D transforming ability |
| [01:10:24] | new2linx: | and then all files with gid 106 and change to mythtv? |
| [01:10:25] | Dagmar: | sphery: Oh is that why it takes me about 15 seconds to figure out how to pirate something |
| [01:10:36] | sphery: | some of us don't pirate |
| [01:10:47] | Dagmar: | new2linx: 1. DON'T try to apply someting like that to / |
| [01:10:56] | new2linx: | Dagmar, already did |
| [01:10:57] | Dagmar: | new2linx: It'll go digging around in /proc, and THAT would be bad |
| [01:11:06] | Dagmar: | Weird crap could happen as a result |
| [01:11:21] | Dagmar: | Settle for /etc /home /var /user |
| [01:11:29] | Dagmar: | Find will take all those as arguments |
| [01:11:47] | Dagmar: | ...although honestly only /home is likely to ahve anything |
| [01:11:48] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i already did it. so what should I do now? |
| [01:11:55] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Um... don't worry about it? |
| [01:12:12] | juski: | god, why can't qt just let me do rotatedImage = rotatedImage.transformed(Rotate 30, Qt::SmoothTransformation) ? |
| [01:12:13] | Dagmar: | Nothing _important_ anywhere shoudl have been owned by uid 104 |
| [01:12:42] | Dagmar: | juski: You ahve not yet burned your thirteen Affine candles to the gread god Phong |
| [01:13:27] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so running sudo find / -uid 104 | xargs sudo chown -R mythtv:mythtv didn't hurt the system? if that doesn't find all files owned by uid 104 and change them to uid mythtv then what does? |
| [01:13:48] | Dagmar: | new2linx: The problem is not that it wasn't doing what you say |
| [01:13:57] | Dagmar: | The problem is that it was potentially doing MORE than what you say |
| [01:14:13] | Dagmar: | Specifically and again, the -R was neither needed nor wanted. |
| [01:14:24] | new2linx: | Dagmar, oh so I did have the syntax right? WOW, I actually did what I thought I wanted it to do but you're saying I didn't want it to do that? |
| [01:14:34] | Dagmar: | No you did not have the syntax right |
| [01:14:45] | Dagmar: | -R should have never figured into that |
| [01:15:10] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so it should have been sudo find / -uid 104 | xargs sudo chown mythtv |
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| [01:15:26] | Dagmar: | Don't think for a moment that the syntax was right because if you get into the habit of throwin -R onto chmod's like some kind of special sauce you WILL eventually manage to destroy a filesstem with it |
| [01:15:45] | Dagmar: | new2linx: yes, without the -R it does exactly what you needed it to |
| [01:15:47] | brad2: | -R special sauce |
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| [01:15:48] | brad2: | i like it |
| [01:15:48] | brad2: | haha |
| [01:16:04] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i understand -R means recursive, meaning that directory and everything in it and below. |
| [01:16:08] | Dagmar: | Keep in mind there is also -exec chown mythtv {} \; |
| [01:16:52] | Dagmar: | Technically -exec chown mythtv '{}'\; but that's a bit soupy lookin |
| [01:17:14] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i am not a coder and don't understand that syntax. sorry. so it would be sudo find / -uid 104 -exec chown mythtv '{}'\; |
| [01:17:33] | Dagmar: | new2linx: yeah and the find attributes are normally only showing you _single files and directories_ which are owned by uid 104, and says nothing about who might own files and directories _under_ those |
| [01:17:49] | Dagmar: | new2linx Pretty much |
| [01:18:11] | Dagmar: | Doing it that way makes find run the -exec parameter ,with the filename replacing {} each time |
| [01:18:18] | juski: | ahh QMatrix rotateMatrix; rotateMatrix.rotate(angle); then rotatedImage = rotatedImage.transformed(rotateMatrix, Qt::SmoothTransformation); |
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| [01:19:09] | Dagmar: | The point of the '{}' single-quotes around the filename is that if you were to say, be running that in /tmp, and someone EVIL had been on your system, it would protect you from files named things like oh.... "`&rm -rf /&`" |
| [01:19:16] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i get find: missing argument to `-exec' when trying to run sudo find / -uid 104 -exec chown mythtv '{}'\; |
| [01:19:33] | Dagmar: | ...which is not 100% accurate for a reason, but could otherwise cause find -exec WITHOUT the ''s to RUN `rm -rf /` |
| [01:19:40] | Dagmar: | ...and yes I've gotten root on systems that way |
| [01:19:47] | new2linx: | Dagmar, well, that's good, dont' want to run rm -rf / ever! |
| [01:20:05] | juski: | well you might one day, say on your last day at work ;-) |
| [01:20:12] | Dagmar: | You left out the \; at the end |
| [01:20:24] | Dagmar: | The ";" actually terminates the -exec argument |
| [01:20:25] | juski: | oops. 2.20AM |
| [01:20:34] | Dagmar: | The "\" is there so that bash doesn't get the idea that the ";" is meant for it |
| [01:20:49] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i am running this exactly: sudo find / -uid 104 -exec chown mythtv '{}'\; |
| [01:20:52] | Dagmar: | new2linx: There are worse things than rm -rf / |
| [01:21:15] | new2linx: | Dagmar, what is missing. sorry i dont' understand -exec and all those symbols. i apologize for my ignorance |
| [01:21:24] | wagnerrp: | especially considering modern implementations of 'rm' usually refuse to do / |
| [01:21:32] | Dagmar: | Things like `echo "root:0::::::" > /etc/shadow |
| [01:22:06] | wagnerrp: | well shadow can be recovered, you just need to rebuild if off password and recreate passwords |
| [01:22:15] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Spaces arne't there just for your amusement. |
| [01:22:19] | Dagmar: | '{}' \; |
| [01:22:28] | Dagmar: | I would highlight the space, but that's somewhat problematic. |
| [01:22:32] | wagnerrp: | its fairly trivial to edit the boot sequence to get into the system and repair that |
| [01:22:47] | juski: | hrm if I can actually get this to work we could have a new animation type on our hands |
| [01:22:48] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Not if I've already logged in and "had my way" with the system |
| [01:23:13] | Dagmar: | ...by which time /etc/shadow might already be back in place |
| [01:23:47] | Dagmar: | ...and there's also always `cp /bin/bash ; /usr/bin/pwnzorized && chmod 4755 /usr/bin/pwnzorized |
| [01:23:52] | Dagmar: | Getting the idea? |
| [01:24:27] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i am copying and pasting the command, you're saying that I am missing some spaces somewhere? |
| [01:24:37] | Dagmar: | new2linx: yes. There has to be a space before that last backslash |
| [01:24:47] | Dagmar: | '{}' \; not '{}'\; |
| [01:25:08] | new2linx: | Dagmar, oh. does there have to be a space between teh {}? |
| [01:25:11] | Dagmar: | Nno. |
| [01:25:38] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Until I was about 24 I never had a _legitimate_ root account on anything but my own stuff at home |
| [01:25:45] | new2linx: | Dagmar, ok. then the next command would be sudo find / -gid 106 -exec chown mythtv '{}' \; |
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| [01:25:56] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: ...but I had root access on LOTS of stuff just the same |
| [01:26:10] | Dagmar: | new2linx: chgrp in that case |
| [01:26:27] | new2linx: | Dagmar, oh yeah. thanks |
| [01:26:41] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I think it took me all of two weeks to gain root at MTSU when I started there |
| [01:27:00] | Dagmar: | ...most of that time was waiting for OIT to make me a user account, and then getting around to really looking at the system. |
| [01:27:35] | Dagmar: | The truly _sad_ thing is that after I'd gone to that much trouble I looked around and found three other people's suid root shells just lying around I could have used |
| [01:27:53] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [01:28:02] | Dagmar: | No buffers were overflowed in the exploitation of that system, either. |
| [01:28:08] | Dagmar: | The admin is rather often _the_ weakest link. |
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| [01:30:01] | Dagmar: | Probably sadder is that about hte only thing I did with root access there was to occasionally forcibly logout and suspend the accounts of a couple of stalkery-types |
| [01:30:57] | new2linx: | Dagmar, hopefully everything works after I get the uid and gid changed from 104 and 106 to mythtv and mythtv on the main backend, then jsut have to go through the other 2 systems and ensure the owner and group are right on those systems. right? |
| [01:31:22] | Dagmar: | Pretty much |
| [01:32:46] | new2linx: | Dagmar, thank you so much for your help as I understand this wasn |
| [01:32:50] | new2linx: | t a mthtv issue |
| [01:32:55] | new2linx: | mthtv=mythtv |
| [01:33:09] | whoever: | need some help I have a 24" lcd and when I play tv I have about a 2" border all the way around the tv show. the border is black screen |
| [01:33:38] | Dagmar: | So maybe watch something without artificial letterboxing and try again |
| [01:33:53] | whoever: | need help to make it fill the screen I have tried changing aspect from 16:9 to 16:10 with no luck |
| [01:34:03] | Dagmar: | Hit 'w' twice. |
| [01:34:04] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
| [01:34:20] | whoever: | Dagmar: is there a way to make that perminent |
| [01:34:24] | Dagmar: | No. |
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| [01:35:03] | Dagmar: | It'll go away on it's own once you stop using 4:3 SD NTSC with fake letter boxing |
| [01:35:22] | Dagmar: | I've tried to get "them" to tie that into a playback group with little success |
| [01:35:38] | whoever: | Dagmar: Im not using 4:3 I have it set to 16:10 and it still does it |
| [01:35:48] | Dagmar: | Yes you are. |
| [01:35:54] | Dagmar: | Your broadcaster is using 4:3 |
| [01:36:21] | whoever: | Dagmar: also I can't seem to find "autofill" for db to repopulate channle lineup |
| [01:36:33] | Dagmar: | Why would you need that? |
| [01:37:08] | whoever: | Dagmar: bc Im lazy and don't always run mythfilldatase |
| [01:37:32] | Dagmar: | How about you be even more lazy instead |
| [01:37:47] | Dagmar: | At some point during the setup you were shown a screen that had one VERY important checkbox on it |
| [01:38:05] | Dagmar: | This checkox makes the backend run `mythfilldatabase` for you at the apppriate times` |
| [01:38:18] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't take you very long to find it in the frontend setup menus again |
| [01:38:32] | Dagmar: | After that you can go straight to "I don't give a @#$@" mode |
| [01:39:27] | whoever: | Dagmar: I think my brain is already in @#$#! mode :-) |
| [01:39:32] | whoever: | thx |
| [01:39:46] | Dagmar: | No worries. It's a common thing for new users to miss |
| [01:40:10] | Dagmar: | That screen is actually pretty far along in the process, and many people's eyes are starting to glaze over by then |
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| [01:49:41] | sphery: | I wonder if he really thought it would be faster to send an e-mail to the list asking if he needs to reboot and then wait for the response than it would have been to just reboot. |
| [01:50:14] | mazda01: | Dagmar, well, mythweb doesn't work. i get an internal server error when trying to go to my mythweb |
| [01:50:26] | Dagmar: | That's nice. |
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| [01:50:51] | mazda01: | Dagmar, everything worked prior to me changing the uid and gid for mythtv on all three systems. any suggestions? |
| [01:51:00] | Dagmar: | I'm pretty sure apache's logfile will tell you something useful |
| [01:51:05] | Dagmar: | Oh and the docs |
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| [01:58:25] | sphery: | pac1: what are perms of version.sh? (ls -l version.sh) |
| [01:58:42] | pac1: | -rwxr-xr-x |
| [01:59:04] | sphery: | do you have a file /etc/shells ? |
| [01:59:13] | sphery: | if so, does it have /bin/sh in it? |
| [01:59:32] | pac1: | yes. |
| [01:59:52] | pac1: | links to dash. |
| [02:00:22] | pac1: | this keeps up I'm going back to gentoo.. |
| [02:00:41] | sphery: | and I'm assuming you're compiling trunk, not -fixes, right? |
| [02:00:54] | pac1: | yes |
| [02:01:05] | sphery: | booting dev box... |
| [02:01:17] | pac1: | yours? |
| [02:01:23] | mazda01: | Dagmar, that was really weird, for some reason /etc/mythtv/mythweb-digest was only readable by the owner (mythtv) so I had sudo chmod a+r /etc/mythtv/mythweb-digest to get it work. i didn't have a problem with mythweb working before, could the commands i ran affected rwx access to any files? i wouldn't have thought so? |
| [02:01:38] | pac1: | Maybe I should drag mine back out of the closet. |
| [02:02:00] | sphery: | pac1: yeah, mine... what revision? (svn info) |
| [02:03:19] | pac1: | 21133 |
| [02:05:14] | pac1: | sphery, ubuntu 9.10, had to install a few things to get by configure step. couldnot continue without QMAKESPEC=linux-g++ |
| [02:05:44] | sphery: | pac1: what happens if you execute just: cd /home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/ && sh ./version.sh "/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/" "" |
| [02:06:09] | pac1: | runs! |
| [02:06:14] | sphery: | as root? |
| [02:06:18] | pac1: | as root |
| [02:06:30] | sphery: | are you building with make -j? |
| [02:06:41] | pac1: | no |
| [02:06:43] | mazda01: | does this mean anything to anyone? RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): Could not connect to server "" @ port -1 |
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| [02:07:02] | pac1: | What's the default for j? |
| [02:07:05] | mazda01: | im seeing that in my log of my main backend. |
| [02:07:21] | sphery: | pac1: 1, which is safest |
| [02:08:05] | sphery: | pac1: can you pastebin the contents of config.log |
| [02:09:14] | pac1: | not much there: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| [02:09:47] | mazda01: | and i am seeing this in the remote frontend log. a whole mess of them. 2009-08–05 21:05:33.801 MythSocket(9d4224f8:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. 2009-08–05 21:05:33.801 MythSocket(9d4224f8:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. 2009-08–05 21:05:33.801 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. i see that when I try to playback the pvr-350 card from the master backend on |
| [02:09:47] | mazda01: | the remote frontend. |
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| [02:11:01] | sphery: | pac1: hmmm... well, you probably should have a bit more--I recommend for now, doing: make distclean && ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt |
| [02:11:21] | sphery: | pac1: see if it runs then (after the distclean), if so, then do the make |
| [02:11:36] | sphery: | you shouldn't need to set a QMAKESPEC, either |
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| [02:12:23] | sphery: | do you know why you needed that? |
| [02:14:53] | pac1: | I think the problem is somewhere else: I'm seeing a lot of these: settings.pro:72: Unknown replace function: unique |
| [02:15:24] | sphery: | pac1: are you sure you have all of the qt development packages installed? |
| [02:15:40] | pac1: | sphery, No not sure at all. |
| [02:15:58] | pac1: | Like I said, I'm on ubuntu and not doing a lot of dev. |
| [02:16:07] | sphery: | it almost seems to me like you're missing some qt stuff |
| [02:16:11] | sphery: | but that's just a guess |
| [02:17:02] | sphery: | any reason you're compiling instead of using packages? |
| [02:17:12] | juski: | gah no joy yet. no sense in staying up all night trying to rotate images |
| [02:17:15] | pac1: | sphery, captions. |
| [02:17:47] | pac1: | sphery, good excuse to read code. |
| [02:17:50] | sphery: | doesn't Ubuntu have trunk builds? |
| [02:18:00] | pac1: | not that I'm aware of. |
| [02:18:21] | juski: | you don't need any excuse to read code. you just have to be nipped in the head |
| [02:19:07] | pac1: | juski. exactly. Doctor used forceps. left small dent and an area of white hair on my scalp. |
| [02:21:30] | Dagmar: | Well, perhaps another (scaled up for age/bodymass) nip on the head will fix it |
| [02:21:52] | Dagmar: | You have a trash compactor, right? We'll wait while you try. :) |
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| [02:22:21] | pac1: | Dagmar, ugh... |
| [02:22:52] | pac1: | same deal after installing qt4-dev-tools |
| [02:23:05] | Dagmar: | That runs on trash compactors now? |
| [02:23:06] | Dagmar: | Cool |
| [02:23:43] | juski: | crap. I should be in bed like 2 hours ago at least |
| [02:24:56] | sphery: | pac1: is this building on an NFS share or something? |
| [02:25:00] | sphery: | or just a local filesystem? |
| [02:25:18] | pac1: | no /home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv |
| [02:26:17] | pac1: | sphery, any recommendations on setting up a dev box? |
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| [02:26:52] | sphery: | only recommendation is if you want to play with trunk, set it up on a dev box |
| [02:27:17] | pac1: | doesn't play well with 021? |
| [02:27:53] | GreyFoxx: | myth is not written to be backward compatible |
| [02:28:10] | GreyFoxx: | if you run trunk on your production database 0.21 will olikely stop working |
| [02:28:10] | sphery: | yeah, no mixing |
| [02:28:19] | pac1: | k. |
| [02:28:19] | sphery: | if you run trunk, it upgrades the DB and you can't go back |
| [02:28:33] | pac1: | figures. |
| [02:28:33] | sphery: | (except through dropping the upgraded db and restoring the pre-upgrade backup) |
| [02:29:18] | pac1: | Need my old box back then. My wife wondered why it's still there.... |
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| [02:29:47] | sphery: | pac1: you're not using some kind of lndir or "outside the source dir" build approach are you? |
| [02:30:18] | pac1: | sphery, no nothing out of the ordinary. svn, cd, .configure, make. |
| [02:30:54] | pac1: | oh. outside the source dir.... |
| [02:30:56] | pac1: | hmm. |
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| [02:31:28] | sphery: | can't see any reason you'd get: sh: Can't open "/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/version.sh" |
| [02:31:46] | pac1: | odd ain't it. |
| [02:31:47] | sphery: | unless that oh means you're not building in the source dir/svn working dir |
| [02:32:06] | Shadow__X: | hello everybody |
| [02:32:14] | sphery: | if you're not in the source dir, I'd actually expect that error |
| [02:32:18] | pac1: | /home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv |
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| [02:32:52] | pac1: | contains config.h etc. |
| [02:33:07] | pac1: | cd programs |
| [02:33:08] | pac1: | ls |
| [02:33:12] | sphery: | ok |
| [02:33:49] | pac1: | also contains programs |
| [02:34:04] | sphery: | just for fun... edit version.sh and change the top line to: #!/bin/dash |
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| [02:36:49] | pac1: | ok why? |
| [02:37:06] | sphery: | does it work that way? |
| [02:37:09] | pac1: | no |
| [02:37:47] | pac1: | sh is not invoking it somehow. |
| [02:39:39] | sphery: | ok... last guess... is version.sh a dos file on your system? what do you get from: file version.sh |
| [02:40:16] | pac1: | a /bin/dash script text executable |
| [02:40:47] | pac1: | If I take out some of the quotation, it works |
| [02:40:52] | pac1: | or runs anyway. |
| [02:41:05] | sphery: | huh |
| [02:41:09] | sphery: | might be a dashism |
| [02:41:36] | sphery: | guess the file test was useless... it won't tell you if it's a DOS format if it has the *sh script magic |
| [02:41:56] | pac1: | maybe. What's your dev box do with /bin/sh? |
| [02:42:09] | sphery: | the script works fine on mine, but I have bash, not dash |
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| [02:42:27] | sphery: | though the dev who just made a bunch of changes to that file is using *buntu, so I'm guessing he's got dash, too |
| [02:42:56] | pac1: | danielk? |
| [02:43:01] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:43:21] | sphery: | what specifically did you change? can you pastebin the output of: svn diff version.sh |
| [02:43:52] | pac1: | didn't change version.h just yet. |
| [02:43:56] | pac1: | hang on. |
| [02:44:36] | sphery: | I thought you took some quotes out of version.sh? Or maybe out of version.pro? Whichever one you changed, please pastebin the diffs |
| [02:45:16] | pac1: | no, out of the command line that executes it. |
| [02:45:35] | pac1: | sh \"/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/version.sh\" \"/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [02:45:47] | pac1: | vs |
| [02:45:49] | pac1: | sh /home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/version.sh /home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [02:45:57] | GreyFoxx: | Nice, found a commandline mtx argument that significantly speeds up accessing the XL1B2 dvd changer |
| [02:45:58] | sphery: | where did you change that? In the Makefile? |
| [02:46:08] | pac1: | at the command prompt. |
| [02:46:31] | GreyFoxx: | elemnt status check goes from 16s to 3s, load from 17 to 6, and unload from 16 to 7 |
| [02:47:00] | sphery: | pac1: yeah, the backslashes for quotes are wrong at the command line, but might need to be used in some files (depending on context/whether the processor for the file eats them) |
| [02:47:33] | GreyFoxx: | That should make a large scan much nicer heh |
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| [02:48:09] | pac1: | sphery, right. |
| [02:49:05] | pac1: | but if I leave them in i get the same message at the command line as in the Make. |
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| [02:50:15] | sphery: | pac1: what do you get from: grep 'version.sh' libs/libmythdb/Makefile |
| [02:50:22] | pac1: | so what's generating the line? its not in the Makefile... |
| [02:50:55] | pac1: | there it is. |
| [02:51:01] | pac1: | sh \"/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv/version.sh\" \"/home/devel/myth-svn/mythtv\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [02:51:08] | sphery: | and it has the \ |
| [02:51:16] | sphery: | if so, your qmake is broken |
| [02:51:26] | sphery: | you do have qt4, right? |
| [02:51:32] | pac1: | supposedly. |
| [02:51:33] | Dagmar: | hheheh |
| [02:51:37] | sphery: | trunk uses qt3 |
| [02:51:42] | Dagmar: | what? |
| [02:51:43] | sphery: | er, no longer uses |
| [02:51:47] | Dagmar: | I thought it used Qt4 |
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| [02:51:48] | pac1: | Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b) |
| [02:51:52] | pac1: | oops. |
| [02:51:53] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [02:51:57] | sphery: | that's the problem... |
| [02:51:58] | Dagmar: | Uninstall Qt3 while you build that |
| [02:52:06] | sphery: | unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it on your system :) |
| [02:52:31] | sphery: | yeah, 0.21-fixes is qt3 and trunk is qt4 (which is easy to mistype as qt3 ;) |
| [02:52:43] | pac1: | sphery, no problem. I got it. |
| [02:53:43] | sphery: | we do have a check in the configure script that should prevent you from running configure with qt3's qmake, but if you did stuff to get around configure problems, that may explain why it didn't warn you/fail |
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| [02:55:10] | iamlindoro: | BTW, even though it's on ABC and will therefore be canceled, I recommend trying out "Defying Gravity" |
| [02:56:20] | GreyFoxx: | I liked the first 2 episodes of that suprisingly |
| [02:56:23] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: iamlindoro pointed out that ttvdb.py did not work with the series "Defying Gravity" specifically it's inetref number. It seems TTVDB has increased the number of digits in the inetref number. I have fixed ttvdb.py and tested. I updated the archive on ticket #6242 to the new release (v0.9.7). Of course the two changes you made to the older version need to be reapplied, |
| [02:57:24] | ** GreyFoxx heads to bed ** | |
| [02:58:15] | pac1: | sphery, I've got a library dependency knot to unravel. |
| [02:58:24] | sphery: | pac1: good luck |
| [02:58:36] | sphery: | I'm not apt |
| [02:58:40] | sphery: | to help much |
| [02:58:53] | sphery: | as my aptitude with synaptic is nil |
| [02:58:58] | pac1: | thanks. (hand me the gordeon knot? Three days later... Ok ... Here's your sweater!) |
| [03:00:22] | sphery: | anyway, I appreciate your popping in here with a new-to-me issue that has a telltale sign (backslashes in version.sh command line can result from having the wrong qt :) |
| [03:00:28] | pac1: | Dang, I love a puzzle! |
| [03:00:35] | pac1: | later all.. |
| [03:00:37] | sphery: | should be easier to debug next time :) |
| [03:00:39] | sphery: | have fun |
| [03:00:47] | pac1: | sphery, thanks for all the help... |
| [03:00:56] | sphery: | good luck with your puzzle |
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| [03:01:52] | ** iamlindoro weilds his vorpal sword ** | |
| [03:01:57] | iamlindoro: | wields, that is |
| [03:02:05] | iamlindoro: | snicker snack |
| [03:02:40] | sphery: | But he doesn't know that I welded it to his plate-mail armor... |
| [03:03:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery is my jabberwock |
| [03:03:38] | ** sphery goes to google stuff to find what we're talking about ** | |
| [03:03:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky |
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| [03:06:11] | sphery: | I'm finding I've lost all semblance of culture I ever had |
| [03:07:15] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [03:07:37] | sphery: | probably would have been more cultured if kormoc had told me to watch The Storm |
| [03:08:02] | sphery: | (actually, after my problems with cbs.com video--which is 100x better than hulu--I was /very/ glad to delete it) |
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| [04:38:27] | tmkt: | last week a game winning 2 pointer with 6 seconds to go |
| [04:38:44] | tmkt: | this week a 3 pointer with 6 seconds to go to bring us within 20pts |
| [04:38:54] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:39:05] | kormoc: | if you're 20 points behind wiht 6 seconds, does it really matter? |
| [04:39:07] | kormoc: | *with |
| [04:39:42] | tmkt: | nope |
| [04:39:50] | tmkt: | but 20 pts looks better then 23 pts back..:) |
| [04:39:55] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [04:40:10] | tmkt: | both only baskets of the game |
| [04:40:21] | tmkt: | fun times being the nooby on a team |
| [04:42:49] | tmkt: | btw |
| [04:42:54] | tmkt: | question i have |
| [04:43:05] | tmkt: | why is reception of UHF signals better on nice sunny days |
| [04:43:17] | tmkt: | and reception of AM radio nice on clear nights |
| [04:43:38] | kormoc: | Less stuff in the air absorbing? |
| [04:43:41] | tmkt: | i remember getting radio stations from other states when i was a kid at night |
| [04:44:03] | tmkt: | so wouldn't the same thing work for TV? wouldn't the best time to scan for tv channels be middle of the night like AM signals? |
| [04:44:12] | kormoc: | sure |
| [04:44:21] | kormoc: | although you might only get stuff that'll work at night then |
| [04:44:32] | tmkt: | everything i read though..says best to scan for tv during sunny days |
| [04:44:51] | kormoc: | meh, sunlight doesn't really matter |
| [04:44:55] | tmkt: | anyway to increase the timeout on trying to lock a station? |
| [04:45:07] | kormoc: | it being there or not, but it allows you to see how clear the sky is or not a bit easier |
| [04:45:28] | tmkt: | http://www.howstuffworks.com/question1.htm |
| [04:46:06] | kormoc: | so... if you knew, why ask? |
| [04:46:46] | tmkt: | i didn't |
| [04:46:49] | tmkt: | just did a search on it |
| [04:47:25] | kormoc: | anyway, scanning on a non-typical time might get you something that's only valid a few days a year, not something I'd count on for a recording slot... |
| [04:47:43] | tmkt: | just trying to figure out a way to get a channel on mythtv |
| [04:47:45] | tmkt: | that my tv gets |
| [04:47:54] | tmkt: | and mythtv doesn't |
| [04:48:28] | tmkt: | guessing i should probably try moving my antenna up first |
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| [05:31:09] | ** iamlindoro misses being able to tell the grabber to give you extra days of data ** | |
| [05:31:17] | iamlindoro: | even if they were crappy data |
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| [06:03:11] | spO: | do any of you use mythtv? my cable box has Firewire, but my htpc does not have firewire , is there any other connections other than firewire to use mythtv? |
| [06:07:14] | kormoc: | spO, nah, all 194 of us in here are hanging out pretending to use myth, but we're really using windows media center edition... Shhh! |
| [06:18:33] | sulx: | heh |
| [06:19:04] | sulx: | mythtv-users channel...we talk about harley davidsons... |
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| [06:32:25] | wagnerrp: | so thats it? one joke and you give up?...definitely the way to get things done... |
| [06:33:44] | pat___: | can anybody point me to the page that shows how to scan for dvb-t channels on a multiprocessor system? (it crashes with 0.21-fixes 20468) |
| [06:34:18] | wagnerrp: | pat___: you just run 'mythtv-setup' through taskset |
| [06:34:21] | pat___: | I seem to remember having to force single processor mode, but can't google it or find any reference to it |
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| [06:34:37] | kormoc: | taskset is how you force single processor mode |
| [06:34:38] | spO: | to connect to mythtv from your cable box, you have to use firewire? |
| [06:34:53] | wagnerrp: | sp0: that is one method |
| [06:34:54] | pat___: | ok |
| [06:35:05] | spO: | wagnerrp, what is the second method? |
| [06:35:07] | wagnerrp: | so you can use a HDPVR with component for HD analog capture |
| [06:35:20] | wagnerrp: | or you can use an IVTV card through svideo for standard definition analog capture |
| [06:35:51] | kormoc: | spO, there are a ton of ways to do it, but it'd help if you asked in a way that was clearer on what you're after (hd, sd, etc) |
| [06:35:52] | spO: | what is HDPVR mean? |
| [06:36:04] | kormoc: | spO, it's a usb capture device |
| [06:36:10] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR is a device, called the HDPVR |
| [06:36:24] | spO: | DOES PVr make it? |
| [06:36:32] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge makes it |
| [06:36:37] | pat___: | thanks guys, that worked |
| [06:36:57] | spO: | OMFG, HDPVR costs 250 dollars |
| [06:37:08] | kormoc: | spO, what's your native language? There might be a channel in that language that would be a bit easier for you to communicate in |
| [06:37:18] | spO: | i could buy a girlf riend for a month or more for that amount of money! |
| [06:37:33] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: considering hes on verizon... im guessing english |
| [06:37:41] | kormoc: | ooh... whoops |
| [06:37:49] | spO: | kormoc, individual syntextial language |
| [06:38:05] | wagnerrp: | any, the HDPVR is currently the only consumer grade HD video capture method |
| [06:38:14] | wagnerrp: | s/any/anyway/ |
| [06:38:23] | spO: | it is based on adherent beliefs that everyone should use their own syntextes and languages in talking in order to promote creativity |
| [06:38:34] | wagnerrp: | there are other cards/devices capable of this, but they are all many times more costly |
| [06:38:48] | kormoc: | ooh, so you don't believe in communication eh? |
| [06:39:04] | wagnerrp: | there are other inexpensive devices capable of component video capture, but they all do standard definition capture |
| [06:40:06] | spO: | who broadcasts HD analogue these days anyways? |
| [06:40:22] | kormoc: | spO, say what? |
| [06:40:26] | spO: | in the USA, everyone went Digital |
| [06:40:37] | spO: | it is ILLEGAL to not use digital |
| [06:40:43] | kormoc: | That's not true |
| [06:40:49] | kormoc: | You can still purchase analog cable |
| [06:40:55] | spO: | ? |
| [06:40:55] | kormoc: | least, in a lot of markets |
| [06:41:02] | wagnerrp: | low power and nighttime stations can still use broadcast analog |
| [06:41:19] | wagnerrp: | however the digital outputs on your STB (cable box) will be encrypted |
| [06:41:19] | kormoc: | spO, the analog cutoff date was only for broadcast tv, nothing at all about cable/other forms of transmission |
| [06:41:53] | wagnerrp: | analog is the only way for mythtv to capture video off an STB |
| [06:42:06] | wagnerrp: | and has nothing to do with the transmission to your home |
| [06:42:18] | wagnerrp: | it only exists between your STB and TV |
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| [06:42:53] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can get a firewire card and capture the raw encoded data stream from the STB |
| [06:43:13] | kormoc: | and not be able to watch it |
| [06:43:26] | wagnerrp: | but thats assuming the cableco has not placed any copy restriction flags on the feed, causing the STB to encrypt the firewire output |
| [06:43:30] | kormoc: | (assuming it's encrypted as most of your digital channels will be) |
| [06:43:30] | spO: | so my HD cable box gets analogue and digital data? |
| [06:43:41] | wagnerrp: | your cablebox gets digital data |
| [06:43:47] | kormoc: | spO, no... but it can output in analog... |
| [06:43:47] | wagnerrp: | it can output over analog or digital |
| [06:44:06] | wagnerrp: | or can output the raw compressed data stream over firewire |
| [06:44:19] | spO: | does it take a lot of cpu to translate digital into analgoue? |
| [06:44:27] | wagnerrp: | you have to decode it |
| [06:44:27] | spO: | to transencode |
| [06:44:34] | spO: | decode |
| [06:44:34] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:44:39] | wagnerrp: | however cableboxes have hardware decoding |
| [06:44:48] | wagnerrp: | so it takes relatively little power, just a custom chip |
| [06:45:06] | kormoc: | why does it matter if your cable box is going to do it? |
| [06:46:00] | spO: | if it is hardware decoding, ie, inside the box and not a process or command, then how come people can deactivate your box |
| [06:46:02] | spO: | how do they do it |
| [06:46:15] | wagnerrp: | deactivate your box? |
| [06:46:17] | spO: | i mean, how come you cnanot use the same hardware to continue to decode |
| [06:46:22] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [06:46:23] | spO: | since it is in the hardware you say |
| [06:46:26] | kormoc: | What are you even asking? |
| [06:46:46] | spO: | oh well, i guess we will never know, at least not now |
| [06:46:47] | kormoc: | continue to decode to what? |
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| [06:47:14] | wagnerrp: | we cant answer your question if it makes no sense |
| [06:47:19] | spO: | i guess i could get a usb device or a esata device that will convert firewire to esata or usb |
| [06:47:29] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:47:36] | spO: | ? |
| [06:47:51] | spO: | i cannot buy usb devices now? |
| [06:47:53] | kormoc: | spO, it also is entirely worthless if your feeds are output over the firewire encrypted, which they likely are |
| [06:47:55] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [06:48:12] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to buy a USB->firewire bridge |
| [06:48:28] | wagnerrp: | but getting an esata one would do no good |
| [06:48:42] | wagnerrp: | there is command data being transferred as well as the data feed |
| [06:49:00] | kormoc: | firewire to usb bridge won't work I'd venture to guess, you can't really convert the protocol cleanly |
| [06:49:05] | kormoc: | at least, it wouldn't be a cheap device |
| [06:49:25] | spO: | I see |
| [06:49:35] | spO: | so you guys bought this HDPVR device and that is how you do it |
| [06:49:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont have one |
| [06:49:59] | wagnerrp: | and if you use firewire, you dont need an HDPVR |
| [06:50:31] | kormoc: | Some have, some use firewire, some use ATSC capture devices, some use pvr 150's/500's/etc, some use hdhr's, some use framegrabbers, etc |
| [06:50:42] | kormoc: | there's no singular answer here on how to do it |
| [06:51:17] | wagnerrp: | basically, if you want to capture digital cable.... |
| [06:51:22] | spO: | can you get a tivo device and not have to pay a monthly subscription? |
| [06:51:36] | kormoc: | spO, ask tivo (.com I'm sure) |
| [06:51:42] | wagnerrp: | you can buy a QAM tuner (most ATSC tuners are QAM capable) |
| [06:52:06] | wagnerrp: | however most QAM channels will be encrypted, and mythtv is incapable of decrypting them |
| [06:52:28] | wagnerrp: | you can use firewire off your STB, but again, many of these channels will likely be encrypted |
| [06:52:39] | wagnerrp: | leaving just analog capture off the STB's outputs |
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| [06:53:02] | wagnerrp: | and you can either use an IVTV card (ivtvdriver.org) and capture standard definition |
| [06:53:12] | wagnerrp: | or an HDPVR and capture high definition |
| [06:53:27] | wagnerrp: | and then you need an ir blaster or firewire to change the channels on the STB |
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| [07:01:38] | spO: | is Sage a program that does similar things as mythtv? |
| [07:01:58] | wagnerrp: | sage is enough PVR software |
| [07:02:08] | wagnerrp: | how close it is to mythtv... i cant say, ive never used it |
| [07:02:34] | spO: | i see |
| [07:02:43] | wagnerrp: | s/enough/another/ |
| [07:02:49] | spO: | it is similar to mythtv except it is closed sourse/proprietary, right? |
| [07:03:13] | wagnerrp: | and runs on windows |
| [07:03:17] | kormoc: | erm... we don't know as we haven't used it? |
| [07:03:36] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems they have a linux version now |
| [07:04:27] | wagnerrp: | looks like hitachi has a 2TB drive now too |
| [07:04:44] | wagnerrp: | and is apparently the first 7200RPM drive |
| [07:05:00] | wagnerrp: | the Seagate and WD ones are... something less |
| [07:05:30] | spO: | wow, look what i found, i found a PVR for 10 dollars!!! http://tinyurl.com/nnfhcj , with that i can use it with mythtv to record shows now huh |
| [07:06:13] | wagnerrp: | is that even an IVTV device, or just a framegrabber? |
| [07:06:23] | wagnerrp: | either way, its only standard definition |
| [07:07:58] | wagnerrp: | well its not a ivtv tuner, but it seems the pvrusb2 drivers can use the encoder chip |
| [07:08:07] | wagnerrp: | so its not a crappy framegrabber either |
| [07:09:15] | wagnerrp: | still... unless youre going kormoc's route of a mac-mini and a bunch of external USB hard drives/tuners, its probably not what youre looking for |
| [07:10:02] | spO: | hdpvr is the only one that does HD like 1080i TV? |
| [07:10:12] | spO: | you can get 1080i over component, right? |
| [07:10:30] | spO: | why do people use digital instead of analogue 1080i ? |
| [07:10:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah, the wd 2tb is a wd green, 5400 rpm, but the black will be 7200 when it's out |
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| [07:11:36] | spO: | kormoc, did you get them for good prices? |
| [07:11:49] | kormoc: | spO, Did I get what? |
| [07:12:12] | spO: | hard drives |
| [07:12:27] | kormoc: | spO, erm... sure? |
| [07:13:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: actually, the greens run an some unknown speed |
| [07:13:48] | wagnerrp: | WD hasnt actually come out and said what RPM they run at |
| [07:14:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh, it's 5400, someone did all the calculations based on the patter density, etc. It matches 5400 rpm |
| [07:14:28] | wagnerrp: | ah, ok |
| [07:14:55] | wagnerrp: | apparently the seagate one runs at 5900 |
| [07:15:04] | wagnerrp: | who knows where they pulled that number from |
| [07:16:50] | kormoc: | oh crap oh crap oh crap, [21134]! I can write to SG's from mythweb now! Booya kasha! |
| [07:17:19] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch.... |
| [07:17:32] | wagnerrp: | .... more stuff i need to add to the python bindings |
| [07:18:03] | wagnerrp: | i suppose this means the mythvideo storagegroup stuff is staying in for the 0.22 release? |
| [07:18:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, let me know when you get your improvements ready to commit, I'll get them in when you're happy |
| [07:18:08] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [07:18:11] | kormoc: | I wouldn't say that... |
| [07:18:50] | wagnerrp: | sell if someone adds the metadata storage to SG rather than file system stuff |
| [07:19:18] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, if you're around, with the remote file writing, will I have to talk to slave backends or will the master distribute it correctly? |
| [07:19:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: at least with file READING, you have to contact the slave backend directly |
| [07:20:09] | wagnerrp: | or at least some backend that has file system access |
| [07:20:11] | kormoc: | yeah, I know (which I don't like) |
| [07:20:30] | kormoc: | but with writing, it can get complex if the SG's are different for slaves |
| [07:20:49] | kormoc: | be better to have that in the be layer rather then in the binding layer |
| [07:20:52] | kormoc: | (imho) |
| [07:21:12] | spO: | i wanted to buy another 1.5tb drive, but i ran out of money |
| [07:21:33] | wagnerrp: | sp0: dont expect mythtv to be cheap |
| [07:22:05] | kormoc: | I've only sunk a few grand into it over the years |
| [07:22:11] | spO: | why? |
| [07:22:22] | spO: | why do you pay for myth tv? what do you record, i don't understand |
| [07:22:32] | wagnerrp: | because hardware costs money |
| [07:22:41] | spO: | yes |
| [07:22:47] | spO: | but why spend it on mythtv stuff? |
| [07:22:47] | wagnerrp: | you cant divine tuners and hard drives out of thin air |
| [07:23:03] | wagnerrp: | its a hobby? we enjoy doing this? |
| [07:23:03] | spO: | i get most movies from torrents and newsgroups |
| [07:23:07] | spO: | why do you need mythtv? |
| [07:23:17] | kormoc: | spO, and if you talk about that again in here, you will be banned |
| [07:23:23] | wagnerrp: | talk of pirated content from torrents and newsgroups is taboo |
| [07:23:54] | spO: | what if my uncle is the head of cbs? |
| [07:24:09] | wagnerrp: | well then the head of CBS can give you whatever content he wants personally |
| [07:24:16] | kormoc: | spO, I'd say it doesn't matter, and given I'm the one that bans people... |
| [07:24:17] | wagnerrp: | its still illegal for you to download it |
| [07:24:50] | wagnerrp: | is CBS actually affiliated with any movie house? |
| [07:25:14] | spO: | you can record programs using a vcr |
| [07:25:43] | kormoc: | Recording falls under fair-use, downloading does not |
| [07:25:57] | wagnerrp: | so let me get this straight... you come in here looking for hardware devices to build a mythtv box |
| [07:25:57] | kormoc: | and that's all that will be said on the matter |
| [07:26:05] | spO: | i guess you use mythtv in order to save money that you would have psent otherwise on a dvr or tivo |
| [07:26:07] | wagnerrp: | and youre questioning why anyone would want to use mythtv? |
| [07:26:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I'm more guessing he's lonely and wants attention |
| [07:26:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv was never about saving money |
| [07:26:39] | wagnerrp: | its about having control |
| [07:26:57] | spO: | you can save more programs than a dvr, is that the control you are talking about? |
| [07:27:02] | wagnerrp: | if you rent a DVR from the cableco, and even if you buy a tivo, you really dont have control over that content |
| [07:27:16] | spO: | why nto? |
| [07:27:20] | wagnerrp: | a rented dvr, you are absolutely at the whim of the cable/satco |
| [07:27:29] | spO: | huh? |
| [07:27:45] | spO: | what do you mean in less abstract or figurative meaning? |
| [07:27:59] | wagnerrp: | they have the ability to delete recordings off it, or block you from recording things |
| [07:28:05] | wagnerrp: | they can block transfer of files off the dvr |
| [07:28:19] | wagnerrp: | they limit the amount of storage space you have available |
| [07:28:38] | wagnerrp: | they limit you from transferring files between multiple units |
| [07:28:54] | kormoc: | they don't allow you to patch it to auto-scale based on aspect ratio detection |
| [07:29:14] | wagnerrp: | tivo has less of these limitations, but mythtv is still capable of a wide range of thing that the retail DVRs are not |
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| [07:29:38] | wagnerrp: | by the mere fact that you are in control of it, and can modify it as you see fit |
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| [08:09:55] | AndyCap: | so they won't stuff your copy of 1984 in the memory hole |
| [08:10:38] | Dagmar: | Wow that was lame of Amazon |
| [08:10:44] | Dagmar: | I'm glad some people are suing them |
| [08:11:11] | Dagmar: | I would have thought it would be outright _illegal_ for them to yank something someone _purchased_ without at least asking first |
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| [09:07:52] | gbee: | ahh but it wasn't purchased, their model isn't that you buy the books, you rent/license/etc |
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| [09:08:46] | gbee: | it's yet another example of customers getting short changed by new tech |
| [09:08:51] | laga_: | gbee: sue the bejeezus out of them |
| [09:09:42] | gbee: | you no longer own books, a bit like DRM encumbered music, it's not yours |
| [09:09:51] | laga_: | i own books, trust me |
| [09:10:06] | laga_: | might have something to do with the fact that i don't own a kindle ;) |
| [09:10:15] | gbee: | laga_: :p |
| [09:10:41] | laga_: | it's probably sad i bought more tech books than other books, though :( |
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| [09:52:32] | juski: | I own way too many James Patterson books. It's not my fault – people keep buying them for me |
| [10:03:08] | juski: | hmm. I might have to patch mythcontrols too |
| [10:07:02] | juski: | or maybe not :) |
| [10:17:55] | juski: | this image rotation stuff might be a bigger deal than I first thought. same old same old then |
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| [10:47:48] | juski: | it's doing *something* now but the images have all turned black. hrmph |
| [10:48:30] | juski: | think I read about that somewhere |
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| [10:52:24] | sid3windr: | are you sure it's plugged in? |
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| [11:06:42] | juski: | yes! YES! |
| [11:08:13] | juski: | it's a bit rough at the mo, but there's a few things need doing to it |
| [11:08:33] | juski: | http://imagebin.ca/view/Zff7Np.html |
| [11:09:15] | anykey_: | guess the buttonlist should size according to the content :p |
| [11:09:33] | juski: | heh |
| [11:10:19] | juski: | hrm they're not being rotated about the centre either :( |
| [11:11:06] | juski: | this is fun though |
| [11:12:21] | juski: | don't think I'm calling the Rotate() method in the right place, but it's a good start for somebody who can't code :) |
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| [11:16:27] | gbee: | juski: they probably are being rotated about the centre, but the top/left position isn't changing |
| [11:17:22] | juski: | maybe. I'm thinking about resizing the rotated image to fit in the original image size too |
| [11:17:42] | juski: | it'd make it more predictable for themers ;) |
| [11:19:58] | juski: | I must've had the actual rotate stuff working at 3am but I wasn't seeing it cos I was calling Rotate(angle) in the wrong place, which I still am I think |
| [11:20:49] | juski: | I should undo my changes to the PBB code or my local tree is gonna end up in a right mess |
| [11:23:45] | juski: | seeing all the menu items rotated at 45 degrees is funny |
| [11:25:21] | juski: | http://imagebin.ca/img/pCt-nDHh.png |
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| [11:31:21] | juski: | I need to do some sums to work out where the new position should be |
| [11:36:13] | juski: | the width/height of the area bounding a rotated image would be SQRT (height ^2 + width ^2) I think |
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| [12:06:56] | neillnic: | is anyone around ? |
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| [12:07:27] | juski: | heh |
| [12:07:42] | juski: | is anybody able to answer metaquestions? |
| [12:08:30] | juski: | whee, convalescing has never been so productive (in my case) |
| [12:09:29] | neillnic: | seems not |
| [12:10:14] | juski: | just *ask* stuff and if people are around who can provide answers they will :) |
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| [12:13:07] | neillnic: | oh well i'll go hunt the web |
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| [12:13:41] | juski: | what, am I invisible or something? lol |
| [12:14:57] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [12:15:44] | Essobi_: | Morning peebles. |
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| [12:17:20] | juski: | hrm. I'm stuck in "I dunno what to do next" limbo |
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| [12:28:34] | brad2: | morn |
| [12:32:54] | juski: | rotateMatrix.translate(centerx,centery); |
| [12:33:20] | juski: | uh? sin & cos functions aren't included |
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| [12:35:05] | gbee: | juski: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cmath/ |
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| [12:35:59] | juski: | thanks very muchly :) |
| [12:37:08] | gbee: | just #include <math.h> or #include <cmath> |
| [12:38:16] | juski: | compilering now. I hate changing headers like this, makes a recompile take yonks longer |
| [12:41:51] | gbee: | aye |
| [12:42:01] | gbee: | you have ccache installed though? |
| [12:42:15] | gbee: | and it's actually using it? |
| [12:43:00] | juski: | yeah but when I change headers it takes longer |
| [12:43:18] | juski: | when I just change cpp files it's way faster |
| [12:43:29] | juski: | so it's not as if it's rebuilding everything |
| [12:46:17] | juski: | mmkay. I'm stuck on how to translate the coordinates. Maybe I should just resize the thing to fit in the original area anyway, that'll cover it I think |
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| [12:46:42] | wagnerrp: | 50–70% off sale at newegg... and yet, the deals are all complete crap |
| [12:47:01] | wagnerrp: | its like they cranked up the prices, so then they could sell them at normal price |
| [12:47:06] | juski: | wagnerrp: don't you want USB leg warmers with flashing LEDs? |
| [12:47:19] | juski: | oh, that kind of crap deal. heheh |
| [12:47:57] | wagnerrp: | i mean the stuff i might consider buying is only listed as a couple dollars off |
| [12:49:07] | gbee: | most sales aren't really great deals, after all if they can afford to knock 50% off, then just how high are their markups generally? |
| [12:49:39] | gbee: | that said I just bought a couple of shirts in a sale, 75% off |
| [12:49:55] | juski: | I think they rely on folks thinking "woooo sale!" ;) |
| [12:50:11] | wagnerrp: | then they have things like a 58" Samsung plasma for $1800, marked down from $4K |
| [12:50:26] | wagnerrp: | but you look online and even Best Buy has it for $1900 |
| [12:50:33] | juski: | I remember those shops where *everything* has 75% off in the shop. I mean wth? Just put the real price on the tag already |
| [12:51:26] | gbee: | hence the change in law stating that sale items must have been on sale at the stated original price for something like 6 weeks prior |
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| [12:52:44] | wagnerrp: | some Rosewill 802.11n/gigabit router for $40 |
| [12:52:51] | wagnerrp: | probably a good deal if i were in the market |
| [12:53:01] | wagnerrp: | and trusted Rosewill networking equipment... |
| [12:53:06] | juski: | ah crap. the patch I submitted should've had lines removed not just commented out. DUH |
| [12:53:38] | gbee: | idea being that it won't stop shops marking up stuff so that they get more impressive sale discounts, but the lost sales in those preceding weeks might make them think twice |
| [12:54:06] | gbee: | juski: well at least you can delete the old version |
| [12:54:13] | gbee: | delete or replace |
| [12:54:22] | juski: | heh that's true |
| [12:54:24] | gbee: | normal users don't have that option |
| [12:58:23] | gbee: | like the question asked in #mythtv earlier "Do any of you use mythtv?" |
| [12:58:57] | wagnerrp: | read the #mythtv-users back logs |
| [12:59:04] | wagnerrp: | that guy was pretty wrong in the head |
| [12:59:09] | gbee: | like walking into a football stand and asking "Do any of you like football?" |
| [12:59:29] | wagnerrp: | after asking about various hardware for mythtv use |
| [12:59:43] | wagnerrp: | he questioned why anyone would want to use mythtv to record tv |
| [12:59:58] | wagnerrp: | because he can just download everything he wants online |
| [13:00:10] | juski: | so did you tell him just to use XBMC? |
| [13:00:19] | wagnerrp: | then saying something about it being alright, because his uncle was the head of cbs or something... |
| [13:00:37] | juski: | hahaha. talk about a guy to make an example of |
| [13:00:38] | gbee: | o ... k ... |
| [13:01:21] | juski: | I went foraging for ideas the other day, as I do from time to time.. gave whatever Elisa is now a test drive. Oh my GOD what a mess |
| [13:02:01] | juski: | maybe I'm just too used to mythtv, but I found menu system un-navigable. there just didn't seem to be any logic to it |
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| [13:04:02] | juski: | btw since I added jump points to my frontend I've started thinking how it might be nice to have an option to make the 'back' button remember where you were last. dunno if it's at all practical |
| [13:04:15] | wagnerrp: | when did that get renamed (to moovida)? |
| [13:04:37] | juski: | I dunno when they did that, but I didn't like the UI much before & I like it even less now |
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| [13:08:51] | juski: | I'm gonna make 'make install' something I don't need a password for when I sudo it. getting sick of this |
| [13:08:56] | gbee_: | ugh, idiots replacing the street lights outside damaged the cable .. er cable |
| [13:09:18] | juski: | the VM cable? |
| [13:09:21] | gbee_: | yeah |
| [13:09:35] | juski: | ouch. more digging, more potential for damage.. |
| [13:11:07] | wagnerrp: | look like the python bindings are broken |
| [13:11:07] | gbee_: | apparently not bad enough to kill it completely and it will be interesting if they call in VM or just attempt to pretend it never happened |
| [13:11:40] | wagnerrp: | ANN FileTransfer now has a fourth option |
| [13:12:05] | gbee_: | but I know it happened as my phone/CM went dead just as there were expletives uttered :) |
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| [13:13:06] | juski: | wagnerrp: prolly thank GreyFoxx for that ;) |
| [13:13:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, kormoc mentioned it last night |
| [13:13:31] | wagnerrp: | im looking through the changeset currently |
| [13:14:01] | juski: | right. original PBB patch fixed & uploaded. Might take the dog for a wander |
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| [13:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | It's an optional element where you can tell it a storage group to specifically look for the requested file bypassing the standard "seach all groups until we find it" |
| [13:16:24] | juski: | might see if I can land some graph paper while I'm out :) |
| [13:18:17] | rhpot1991: | anyone have any words to say about these Zotiac ION boards? |
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| [13:18:29] | juski: | gbee: btw the reason for all my interest in image rotation is doing an analogue clock widget :) |
| [13:18:34] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: lots of words on the mailing list archives |
| [13:18:45] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: currently reading them :) |
| [13:18:55] | rhpot1991: | newegg has one on sale today |
| [13:19:05] | juski: | 'sale'. heh |
| [13:19:18] | rhpot1991: | wasn't paying attention, so I didn't even know they were out till I saw that |
| [13:19:26] | wagnerrp: | ugh... all these bug tickets on trac with configure logs making it difficult to search for actual patches |
| [13:19:31] | rhpot1991: | juski: perhaps a bit steep in price still I think |
| [13:20:01] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: basically, the Atom is too weak a processor to decode anything in software, meaning you will rely on VDPAU for everything |
| [13:20:27] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: even dual core? |
| [13:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | the atoms will do sdtv xvid and such |
| [13:20:37] | GreyFoxx: | but nothing hidef |
| [13:20:44] | wagnerrp: | in the event you come up against media that VDPAU does not support, or buggy bitstreams that it cannot handle, youre hosed |
| [13:21:31] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: except for h264 and vc1, which had a concept of 'slices', decoding in mythtv is all single threaded |
| [13:21:56] | wagnerrp: | and will be until the ffmpeg-mt stuff gets finished up, merged into mainline ffmpeg, and then synced into mythtv |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | oh, damn my mind. now I've got thinking about a new method where an image is repeatedly drawn at different angles. arghh |
| [13:22:50] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: so whats the prevailing theory on them then, deal with the issues, or stick with a smaller c2d setup instead? |
| [13:22:51] | wagnerrp: | single threaded, that chip might handle moderate bitrate ATSC, perhaps 13–15mbps |
| [13:23:26] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: I plan to pick a couple up, but I kno wmy media will all play on them and am willing to suffer any problems I run into :) |
| [13:23:27] | wagnerrp: | its up to you and your application and preference |
| [13:23:55] | juski: | rhpot1991: it all hinges on VDPAU being everything folks want it to be really |
| [13:24:12] | wagnerrp: | on primary frontends, i would probably stick with a normal machine |
| [13:24:13] | rhpot1991: | my HD recordings all currently come from a HDHR and firewire currently |
| [13:24:15] | gbee: | rhpot1991: even dual core, an Atom isn't a replacement for a desktop processor, it's a really, really slow processor designed for lightweight tasks |
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| [13:24:48] | rhpot1991: | would be replacing an athlon xp 1900+ that barely does HD with XvMC |
| [13:24:52] | wagnerrp: | if i were to put a frontend in the kitchen, or wanted to stuff one behind the tv in the bathroom, i would probably pick up one of those zotac boards, or some other ION blend |
| [13:24:53] | gbee: | even a top range 3Ghz dual-core processor can struggle with HD |
| [13:25:18] | gbee: | although you are talking about mpeg2 ... since your XP 1900+ can manage it... |
| [13:25:32] | wagnerrp: | gbee: well theres all sorts of types of HD |
| [13:25:35] | juski: | I'd love VDPAU to be the answer to all our HD playback prayers, and I know I'm not alone in that |
| [13:25:35] | rhpot1991: | yep, I don't do any h.264 yet... |
| [13:25:54] | wagnerrp: | on this side of the pond, we dont get your nice 25mbps h264 unless were doing bluray rips |
| [13:25:59] | gbee: | wagnerrp: yeah, I still tend to wrongly assume that people are talking about AVC encoded stuff |
| [13:26:19] | juski: | gbee: better to assume worst case, but try telling everybody else that ;) |
| [13:26:27] | gbee: | 22, but I get your point |
| [13:27:03] | wagnerrp: | only 22? i thought DVB supported up to like 31mbps/channel |
| [13:27:13] | juski: | woo look the apple TV box plays 'aitch dee' ;-) |
| [13:27:31] | gbee: | can't really dip into conversations in here anymore, always tend to be talking about something that was mentioned 10 minutes earlier, so I'll still to my work for now :) |
| [13:27:38] | juski: | wagnerrp: I doubt we'll ever see supported maximum rates in practice |
| [13:27:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah... rhpot1991, as a point of reference, the Atom processor has about as much power as the 1Ghz mobile chip in the appletv |
| [13:28:15] | wagnerrp: | which means 'next to no' |
| [13:28:36] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: I have an EEE, so I'm no stranger to the atom |
| [13:28:52] | juski: | IMHO it's better to aim for what you'll need to play in future |
| [13:28:53] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [13:28:54] | wagnerrp: | EEE? |
| [13:29:00] | sid3windr: | my atom does it fine |
| [13:29:02] | rhpot1991: | eee-pc, netbook with an atom |
| [13:29:06] | sid3windr: | obviously not for playing bluray |
| [13:29:06] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [13:29:09] | sid3windr: | but for desktop use.. ;) |
| [13:29:27] | sid3windr: | and it's being severely hampered by lack of intel graphics driver |
| [13:29:31] | juski: | I should go outside for a bit :) |
| [13:29:34] | sid3windr: | and resorting to vesa :| |
| [13:29:34] | rhpot1991: | the idea of a nice tiny low power frontend for the living room is oh so tempting |
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| [13:29:57] | wagnerrp: | rhpot1991: the problem is that theyre not very low power |
| [13:30:11] | wagnerrp: | the chip itself only pulls a couple watts |
| [13:30:13] | XLV: | rhpot1991, track down some nice MoD mb with intel c2d mobile cpus.. |
| [13:30:16] | wagnerrp: | but the chipset is a hog |
| [13:30:34] | wagnerrp: | in the end, youre pushing some 40–50W through those things |
| [13:30:35] | gbee: | yeah, nice slight of hand by Intel |
| [13:30:50] | XLV: | or just get some laptop barebone, some old vcr/dvd player chassis, and start modding |
| [13:30:56] | laga_: | AFAIK there is a new chipset which is very low-power |
| [13:31:04] | laga_: | one of the newer EEEs uses it AFAIK |
| [13:31:07] | wagnerrp: | and the 2.4GHz C2D compute nodes we have at work idle just south of 50W |
| [13:31:22] | gbee: | they jump up and down saying "look, it's only 6w!" but it has to be tied to a chipset pulling 35w ... |
| [13:31:27] | rhpot1991: | XLV: MoD? |
| [13:31:34] | XLV: | mobile on desktop |
| [13:31:41] | wagnerrp: | laga_: Intel has a new chipset maybe, but the IONs use an nvidia chipset |
| [13:32:11] | wagnerrp: | and besides, all the mobile units use different hardware than the desktop units |
| [13:32:21] | gbee: | whereas the AMD alternative reportedly pulls 8w-13w ... but has no northbridge, so it really does only use that amount |
| [13:32:24] | wagnerrp: | different chipset, different processor, stripped down board |
| [13:33:14] | XLV: | well, maybe intel finally decided to make some 945 chipset not on 130nm, but something more modern.. or you mean the chipset with gma500 igp.. dont remember its name atm |
| [13:33:45] | gbee: | of course the AMD stuff is all theoretical right now, they've not released an product to manufacture |
| [13:33:50] | wagnerrp: | XLV: the gma500 is a worthless piece of garbage too |
| [13:34:07] | wagnerrp: | its actually a 3rd party graphics processor, and the drivers for it are a complete mess |
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| [13:34:31] | XLV: | rhpot1991, basically it will entail desoldering all connectors from laptop's mb, soldering wires and mounting them to vcr/dvd chassis.. and make sure you get some laptop with vga/dvi or hdmi out.. |
| [13:34:48] | XLV: | it would be costly though |
| [13:36:29] | XLV: | wagnerrp, yeah.. dont know if thats the pulsbo chipset intel was supposed to introduce, or they just scapped it altogehter as soon 32nm atoms with gpu-in-die will be out |
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| [13:38:04] | wagnerrp: | its amazing how i can look back through code i wrote just a month ago, and have it all appear so foreign |
| [13:38:18] | laga_: | wagnerrp: i didn't know you were concerned with the perl bindings |
| [13:38:40] | wagnerrp: | laga_: im not concerned with the perl bindings |
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| [14:05:54] | tmkt: | mythtv does rock |
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| [15:10:36] | j-rod: | can Antec honestly market a 750W power supply under the EarthWatts name? |
| [15:11:13] | AndyCap: | j-rod: why not if it has excellent efficiency? :> |
| [15:11:16] | sid3windr: | Earth, What's? perhaps? |
| [15:11:33] | ** j-rod went to throw the GF9600GT in his core 2 quad box, only to find the 550W supply in it doesn't have a 6-pin pcie power connector... ** | |
| [15:11:48] | j-rod: | heh |
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| [15:12:24] | AndyCap: | j-rod: so just grab two drive connectors and an adapter? |
| [15:12:34] | AndyCap: | moaaar 12V amps. |
| [15:13:07] | j-rod: | ah, nice, hadn't thought of that... |
| [15:13:57] | sid3windr: | adapter not included? |
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| [15:14:08] | AndyCap: | old card I guess. :P |
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| [15:14:27] | AndyCap: | box long gone |
| [15:14:33] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:14:39] | j-rod: | "refurbished" card |
| [15:14:51] | j-rod: | only got the bare card and an s-video cable |
| [15:14:55] | juski: | heh back to the black images |
| [15:15:34] | j-rod: | nah, I just went back to the Quadro FX 1700 that was already in there |
| [15:15:55] | j-rod: | (which also supports vdpau, but I wanted to move that card somewhere else...) |
| [15:16:29] | AndyCap: | heh, was wondering why you'd want to switch |
| [15:18:36] | j-rod: | I want to move the Quadro into *this* box, replacing a 6600gt. the 9600gt is too long to fit in this box. |
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| [15:19:56] | AndyCap: | Hm, I should go looking for a smaller box to replace this machine with and then fill the pci slots in with tuners. |
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| [15:26:01] | squidly: | the subdomain I gave ya. that is your new box I take it |
| [15:26:12] | squidly: | oops |
| [15:26:18] | squidly: | wrong chan |
| [15:26:38] | juski: | heh I've made the rotated images scale to fit the original area. uhh I think I have anyway |
| [15:27:26] | ** j-rod still toying with the idea of picking up a pci gf9400 to see if an old P3 box will handle hdtv... ** | |
| [15:27:39] | j-rod: | just because |
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| [15:28:28] | sHiZo: | Hi |
| [15:30:40] | sHiZo: | I have two problems. First: When you create a self refering link in your video folder MythTv maybe should regonize it." My database is 16GB, full of /home/joe/home/joe/home/joe/...etc. |
| [15:30:53] | sid3windr: | or perhaps you shouldn't do that ;) |
| [15:31:10] | sHiZo: | Yes I know now. |
| [15:32:21] | sHiZo: | Second one: In Mythweb should be a popup when you hover your mouse over a recording. It doesnt work for me, and I have no clue why. |
| [15:32:50] | sid3windr: | uhh |
| [15:32:55] | sid3windr: | I don't have that either... :p |
| [15:33:20] | sHiZo: | I belive there were a function like this. Maybe years ago. |
| [15:33:36] | sid3windr: | in the listings page I do |
| [15:33:38] | sHiZo: | But it was very nice |
| [15:33:42] | sid3windr: | but not on the recordings page |
| [15:33:45] | sHiZo: | I'm sory |
| [15:33:59] | sHiZo: | In the listings page I meant |
| [15:34:25] | sHiZo: | It says something like "1 task pending" the message vanishes and nothing else happens... |
| [15:34:36] | wagnerrp: | sHiZo: perhaps a better solution would be to only allow mythvideo to scan so many levels deep |
| [15:35:23] | wagnerrp: | not to make your setup work, but rather to make it not horribly break everything else |
| [15:35:24] | juski: | if you have recursive symlinks... pfft |
| [15:36:10] | wagnerrp: | sHiZo: what browser are you running? |
| [15:36:12] | sHiZo: | wagnerrp: I think so. Is it possible to do so? |
| [15:36:25] | sHiZo: | wagnerrp: Firefox 3.0–3.5 |
| [15:36:35] | GreyFoxx: | anyone here happen to know if the perl bindings allow you to specify the backend to connect to rather than just the master ? |
| [15:36:48] | sHiZo: | Never worked. Not even in IE. |
| [15:37:13] | wagnerrp: | sHiZo: i dont think it works in IE anyway, you dont have firebug installed do you? |
| [15:37:14] | sHiZo: | Even if I make a fresh checkout from SVN |
| [15:37:21] | wagnerrp: | or anything else that hooks into javascript |
| [15:37:26] | sHiZo: | No. But I can install it. |
| [15:37:31] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [15:37:44] | wagnerrp: | i used to have a problem where those popups never worked if firebug was enabled |
| [15:37:59] | sHiZo: | I have NoScript but it say "Allways allow scripts" |
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| [15:38:37] | juski: | mmkay. Now I need to see if I can turn this into an analogue clock widget |
| [15:39:35] | sHiZo: | wagnerrp: Is there anway to debug the problem? The apache log looks clean. The mythbacken.log looks clean too. |
| [15:39:53] | juski: | sHiZo: it's not a problem. the functionality was changed AFAIK |
| [15:40:29] | Shadow__X: | wow so i have been running mythtv for close to a year now |
| [15:40:44] | juski: | oh the *listings* page you said. Ahh. then yes you DO have a problem |
| [15:41:05] | wagnerrp: | juski: yeah, its actually show that '1 requests pending' and then does nothing |
| [15:41:15] | juski: | weird |
| [15:41:38] | wagnerrp: | sHiZo: start firefox in 'safe mode' so there are no extra plugins/addons/modules/whatever added |
| [15:41:42] | wagnerrp: | see if you still have the issue |
| [15:43:28] | juski: | hrm it'd be better to *draw* the clock images rotated rather than rotating them wouldn't it |
| [15:43:36] | Essobi: | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| [15:45:00] | wagnerrp: | thats it... hes finally cracked |
| [15:46:00] | iamlindoro: | Ah, there we go, out TVDB grabber is now official :) |
| [15:46:03] | iamlindoro: | er our |
| [15:46:14] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: congrats |
| [15:46:49] | juski: | iamlindoro: http://imagebin.ca/img/pCt-nDHh.png (!) |
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| [15:46:59] | orogor: | hi here |
| [15:47:02] | juski: | <rotate>45</rotate> :) |
| [15:47:04] | iamlindoro: | juski: Heh, nice |
| [15:47:11] | orogor: | ijust bought a vdpau capable card |
| [15:47:24] | iamlindoro: | juski: Now animate it ;) |
| [15:47:27] | orogor: | however i regularly get blocks at video playback |
| [15:47:33] | juski: | iamlindoro: you bastard |
| [15:47:47] | wagnerrp: | orogor: youre running trunk? |
| [15:47:48] | juski: | orogor: oh, corruptions in the streams eh. unlucky |
| [15:47:50] | orogor: | i tried various deinterlacing methods , i semm to always get em |
| [15:47:51] | iamlindoro: | juski: Just kidding, nice work |
| [15:48:01] | juski: | iamlindoro: I know, and thanks :) |
| [15:48:07] | GreyFoxx: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1520610 woop. the first changing of discs in my chnger via mythprotocol |
| [15:48:13] | sHiZo: | wagnerrp: still the same |
| [15:48:18] | orogor: | juski, so the stream is corrupted only when using vdpau and fix itself when i use opengl ? |
| [15:48:25] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: juski: Geez, it's feature week here at MythTV ;) |
| [15:48:42] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:48:44] | juski: | orogor: software decoders often cope better |
| [15:48:51] | wagnerrp: | orogor: no, the software decoders are a lot more robust when dealing with stream corruption |
| [15:49:08] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I learned of a extra mtx commandline option which makes it MUCH faster to perform operations on the changer |
| [15:49:13] | juski: | welcome to the world of 'VDPAU is not the answer to all our prayers yet' |
| [15:49:32] | GreyFoxx: | cuts loads/unload in half and status checks from 17 to 3 |
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| [15:50:09] | juski: | iamlindoro: I've made the code scale the newly rotated image to fit the original area. not sure it's all there yet but it's a start |
| [15:50:16] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Sweet-- I still need to find a place to put it-- or, I guess, dust off the Slave BE and run it there |
| [15:51:04] | iamlindoro: | juski: Yeah, nice-- since my last MythUI feature was unceremoniously closed, I'm staying out of that business |
| [15:51:15] | iamlindoro: | juski: Don't know the right secret handshake ;) |
| [15:51:23] | juski: | dunno if I do yet |
| [15:52:28] | GreyFoxx: | whihc feature was that ? |
| [15:52:55] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: opened a small patch for an image <intensity> tag to lighten/darken an image |
| [15:52:57] | juski: | ffs I still have mythphone on here |
| [15:53:19] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Was planning to port the entire KDEImageFX stuff over to MythUI, and that was the first of many neat effects |
| [15:53:26] | GreyFoxx: | ahh . That sounds useful. |
| [15:53:28] | juski: | iamlindoro: what could possibly have been the beef there? |
| [15:53:47] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Closed by Chutt for not being in the painter, and instead being in MythImage |
| [15:53:55] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [15:53:57] | iamlindoro: | even though ALL similar effects are in mythimage |
| [15:54:09] | juski: | I can see the argument there |
| [15:54:19] | juski: | this rotation code could run into that too |
| [15:54:29] | iamlindoro: | juski: End yet exactly 0 effects are in the painter, soooooo |
| [15:54:48] | juski: | reading between the lines, he wants the effects in the painter so get to it |
| [15:55:14] | iamlindoro: | pffft |
| [15:55:18] | juski: | there's at least one good reason I can think of |
| [15:55:30] | iamlindoro: | Acceleration, I understand |
| [15:55:36] | juski: | if they're in the painter, they'll be animatable |
| [15:55:49] | juski: | not sure they could be if they were in mythimage |
| [15:56:04] | iamlindoro: | Can still animate if they're in MythImage |
| [15:56:13] | juski: | can they? heh |
| [15:56:34] | iamlindoro: | Just can't use available acceleration |
| [15:56:40] | juski: | this is how I ended up doing this in mythimage. couldn't find any transformation effects in the painter code |
| [15:56:53] | sHiZo: | wagnerrp: Any else ideas? |
| [15:56:58] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [15:57:03] | sHiZo: | :( |
| [15:57:06] | juski: | but I'll need to do it that way for the clock widget I guess – in the painter I mean |
| [15:57:30] | sHiZo: | Ok. Then thanks for the help and keep up the good work! ;) |
| [15:57:43] | juski: | add another argument to DrawIimage or whatever |
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| [15:57:57] | iamlindoro: | painterS |
| [15:58:02] | iamlindoro: | enjoy writing it three times |
| [15:58:14] | juski: | screw the QT painter |
| [15:58:38] | iamlindoro: | If we're not going to support all widgets in all painters, we need to drop painters |
| [15:58:49] | iamlindoro: | specifically, use OpenGL, or f**k off |
| [15:58:51] | tmkt: | widgets in mithtv? |
| [15:58:58] | tmkt: | myth even |
| [15:59:07] | AndyCap: | tmkt: not that kind |
| [15:59:16] | juski: | iamlindoro: there's loads of stuff that won't work in the qt painter. alpha for one |
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| [15:59:31] | iamlindoro: | juski: and alpha-derived stuff such as alphapulse |
| [15:59:36] | tmkt: | always thought it would be cool to have a fantasy football stattracker widget running while watching the game |
| [15:59:41] | iamlindoro: | juski: But eye candy is different from a whole elemtn |
| [15:59:44] | iamlindoro: | er element |
| [15:59:54] | juski: | sigh |
| [15:59:55] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: You are thinking of an entirely diferent type of widget |
| [16:00:11] | AndyCap: | a widget made of widgets |
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| [16:00:34] | juski: | I couldn't even test changes to the VDPAU painter if I wanted to |
| [16:01:17] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: Thanks for the commit of ttvdb,py:) |
| [16:01:25] | juski: | the whole *point* about doing stuff outside the painter is to make stuff more portable, I thought – and the qt docs say so |
| [16:01:43] | iamlindoro: | juski: Take it up with the man |
| [16:01:56] | juski: | he's already won |
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| [16:02:43] | iamlindoro: | If by won you mean "driven a small army of developers to other projects," yes. |
| [16:02:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [16:03:33] | juski: | thing is, I'd have said there was good reason for this if these things took a lot of time |
| [16:03:43] | juski: | I mean to transform an image |
| [16:03:56] | juski: | they don't take a long time, and there aren't *that* many images anyway |
| [16:04:11] | iamlindoro: | I think I'll start my own open source project |
| [16:04:22] | iamlindoro: | I want to say how everything should be done and do no work myself too |
| [16:05:51] | juski: | so ok, can whole themes be rendered in the VDPAU painter yet? |
| [16:06:22] | iamlindoro: | Basically |
| [16:06:25] | Shadow__X: | will getting a 5400rpm hd compared to a 7200rpm hd make that much of a difference in mythtv |
| [16:06:28] | Shadow__X: | or it is not worth it |
| [16:06:38] | iamlindoro: | Though I suspect it is closer to the Qt painter in capability than GL |
| [16:06:47] | juski: | iamlindoro: because everything fx-wise is already done in mythimage? ;-) |
| [16:06:48] | janneg: | biggest differnce is probably noise |
| [16:07:15] | gbee: | it was my fault that many image effects were done in mythimage and not the painter, the idea of putting most of that stuff in the painter was to benefit from the hardware acceleration |
| [16:07:26] | Shadow__X: | the throughput shouldn't make a difference would it |
| [16:07:43] | juski: | gbee: and I suppose putting effects in some painters & not others isn't acceptable |
| [16:07:44] | gbee: | in the QT painter they can still be implemented as QImage manipulations |
| [16:07:56] | gbee: | juski: ^^ |
| [16:07:56] | janneg: | even the 5.4k rpm drives deliver more than enough bandwidth |
| [16:09:06] | gbee: | image transformations for example can be done fairly easily with opengl and will be considerably faster, in the QT painter you just need to copy over the work already done for mythimage verbatim |
| [16:09:51] | juski: | doing some things at drawing time would be much better |
| [16:10:16] | gbee: | juski: but a benefit of hardware accelerating the rotation is that we can allow rotation animations for the GL painter |
| [16:10:20] | juski: | I bet opengl scaling is much better than qt's too |
| [16:10:42] | gbee: | that's just never going to be possible under QT |
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| [16:10:59] | juski: | is it that slow? |
| [16:11:18] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: what information were you trying to get access to about a month ago? |
| [16:11:34] | wagnerrp: | something about file properties on slave backends or something? |
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| [16:12:12] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I really do not remember. |
| [16:12:19] | gbee: | say what you will about Chutt, this mess was my fault, not his, I'm the one who put transformations in mythimage to save myself some time on the implementation and it was always meant to be temporary – I knew that wasn't how mythui was intended to work |
| [16:12:36] | juski: | gbee: fairy nuff :) |
| [16:12:53] | juski: | it's not really anybody's fault as such |
| [16:12:58] | gbee: | juski: for a single image probably not, for multiple images? For performing a movement animation alongside rotation animations etc .. |
| [16:13:35] | juski: | yeah I guess if you had multiple images on multiple paths.. |
| [16:14:01] | juski: | oh I DO like a challenge |
| [16:14:15] | gbee: | qt might manage it on a decently spec'd machine, but not these ion frontends etc |
| [16:14:30] | juski: | it didn't take me all that long to figure it out this far, so maybe it won't be so bad |
| [16:14:48] | wagnerrp: | well im thinking of implementing the new SG writes into the bindings this evening, and whipping up a simple disk balancing job |
| [16:15:03] | tmkt: | what type of widget is in mythtv? any screenshots? |
| [16:15:19] | juski: | I *want* that analogue clock working by the time I go back to work next week :D |
| [16:15:28] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: Again, you are misunderstanding-- Myth's UI is *all* widgets |
| [16:15:36] | gbee: | opengl 2D rotation shouldn't be too hard ... though I have almost no opengl experience so take that with a pinch of salt |
| [16:15:40] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: widgets in this context are UI elements in MythTV |
| [16:15:45] | iamlindoro: | *any* element |
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| [16:15:57] | juski: | gbee: basically all just matrix transformations AFAICT |
| [16:16:11] | juski: | I imagine there are already libs for the job |
| [16:16:36] | juski: | hell even 3d transforms are only matrix jobs I think |
| [16:16:44] | gbee: | widget has become a very abused term |
| [16:16:50] | gbee: | juski: aye |
| [16:16:59] | juski: | s/widgets/THINGIES |
| [16:17:17] | juski: | eep. I should cook some foods I think |
| [16:18:20] | iamlindoro: | I suppose I could become inspired today and use Captain M's SG write capability to make metadata download go to the right SG |
| [16:18:33] | iamlindoro: | Meh |
| [16:18:48] | gbee: | the guy on the street tends to think of widgets as the stuff that OSX/Plasma etc offer and not say the buttons they've been pressing in applications for years, the menus, scrollbars or text entry fields |
| [16:19:25] | gbee: | tmkt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI_widget |
| [16:20:09] | gbee: | someone, somewhere needs to be hung for using a pre-existing term to describe this facebook monitoring crap that litters so many desktops |
| [16:21:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee: So you're saying I shouldn't expect <facebook><account>iamlindoro</account><password>gbeegbe egbee</password></facebook>? |
| [16:22:25] | gbee: | I think there is a possibility that we'll support plugin widgets of an advanced nature like that, but I'm not maintaining them so they aren't going near the core library :) |
| [16:22:38] | iamlindoro: | Was facetious :) |
| [16:22:46] | iamlindoro: | Though the idea of plugin widgets is quite neat |
| [16:23:26] | mkrufky: | ah, so that mythtv can automatically broadcast to my facebook status line exactly what episode of what show im watching at this very moment? :-P |
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| [16:24:08] | gbee: | mkrufky: it's what the internet was designed for ;) |
| [16:24:32] | mkrufky: | yes, very important stuff |
| [16:24:52] | iamlindoro: | I have mentioned in the past that it would be neat to have some binding-and-MythUI guru add bindings for the UI and a way for python/perl plugins to register themselves |
| [16:25:16] | iamlindoro: | Not because I care to use them, but lowering the barrier to writing a plugin (and allowing it in python or perl) would encourage lots of new ones |
| [16:25:29] | mkrufky: | yea i can think of some fun things that could come from that ... |
| [16:25:32] | mkrufky: | anyway, gotta run, bbl |
| [16:25:41] | gbee: | so tempting just to throw this re-written ogg vorbis tagging stuff in svn without hours of testing and see who screams |
| [16:25:48] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [16:27:56] | ** gbee shuffles through a stack of giveaway cds kept for just this purpose ** | |
| [16:29:31] | meshe: | iamlindoro: yeah, we were talking about that for hooks in the recording/userjob/comflagging process |
| [16:29:36] | Greek-Boy: | I can't seem to get my WinTv-NOVA-SD2 to scan for channels or lock onto a sattelite. I am on Mythbuntu and using the latest drivers. Any ideas? I also tried to scan for channels outside mythtv using "scan" and "kaffeine" still nothing |
| [16:30:00] | iamlindoro: | Greek-Boy: If you can't get channels outside of Myth, you need to seek help in #linuxtv |
| [16:30:11] | gbee: | Duran Duran live it is ... |
| [16:30:14] | iamlindoro: | Greek-Boy: Once you have gotten it working in linux, then we may be able to help you |
| [16:30:25] | iamlindoro: | Greek-Boy: But keep in mind that myth has no DVB-S2 support yet |
| [16:30:44] | gbee: | once again, I'm not paid enough for this |
| [16:30:56] | meshe: | gbee: the band so nice... |
| [16:31:03] | ** iamlindoro gives gbee a raise ** | |
| [16:31:12] | iamlindoro: | From $0 to.... |
| [16:31:16] | iamlindoro: | $0! |
| [16:31:33] | gbee: | wow a 100x increase! |
| [16:32:26] | ** meshe tries to figure out the difference by division 0 / 0 = Fatal divide by 0 error! ** | |
| [16:32:43] | ** iamlindoro watches meshe get sucked into an alternate universe ** | |
| [16:33:09] | jams: | no, meshe was smart and used a pentium for the calculations |
| [16:33:26] | gbee: | well at the end of this I could end up a fan, but I'd not hold your breath |
| [16:34:00] | meshe: | they did some good stuff gbee :) |
| [16:34:03] | iamlindoro: | I'm going to get a migraine looking at this remotefile stuff, mark my words |
| [16:34:10] | gbee: | not a single date anywhere on the sleeve, guess I'll just make up a year |
| [16:35:20] | gbee: | meshe: well I'll concede that's probably true |
| [16:35:29] | ** gbee hums a certain bond theme ** | |
| [16:35:55] | ** iamlindoro thinks fondly of Barbarella ** | |
| [16:36:06] | meshe: | hehe, i heard that one on our satt radio the other day and was suprised that they did that one |
| [16:36:22] | janneg: | iamlindoro: mythtv has allmost DVB-S2 support |
| [16:36:41] | iamlindoro: | janneg: I know it's coming :) |
| [16:36:56] | ** janneg ponders to commit now just to prove iamlindoro wrong ;) ** | |
| [16:37:12] | iamlindoro: | There are many ways to prove me wrong without risky commits ;) |
| [16:38:00] | janneg: | if I weren't away for the weekend I would have committed it this morning |
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| [16:57:19] | sphery: | juski: Unless I'm reading it wrong, it looks like #6814 removes the DETAILS action from the PBB. Any reason not to keep it (and add INFO with the same functionality)? We use DETAILS in Previously Recorded, Program Listings, Recording Priorities, Scheduled Recordings, all the Search stuff, and the speculative scheduling stuff. And, since we're not re-purposing it, in PBB, it seems both wouldn't hurt. If you like, I can make ... |
| [16:57:26] | sphery: | ... the change. (Oh, and thanks for the patch. :) |
| [17:02:35] | gbee: | sphery: I'd sooner replace all uses of DETAILS with INFO |
| [17:02:40] | gbee: | but maybe that's just me |
| [17:02:57] | Shadow__X: | apparently newegg doesnt have my be 2400 anymore unless its hiding |
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| [17:10:59] | Shadow__X: | what happened to all the cheap amd processors that you could get for around 50 bucks |
| [17:11:01] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [17:11:30] | sphery: | Shadow__X: I think the 'BE' series was replaced by the 'e' series. Unfortunately, neither the 4850e nor the 5050e is available, anymore, either. They still have the business-class 4450B, but it's way to expensive. |
| [17:12:07] | Shadow__X: | yeah whats up with that before they discontinued the be2400 you could get it for 40 bucks or so and its a great cpu for 40 bucks |
| [17:12:30] | Shadow__X: | i wanted to try and get a mythtv system at a good price point for a family friend |
| [17:12:51] | sphery: | yeah, the 5050e was $40 or $50 (depending if you bought it on sale) and was basically a faster version of the be-2400 |
| [17:13:01] | wagnerrp: | theres something very wrong with butter in a squeeze packet |
| [17:13:10] | Shadow__X: | and instead of doing the horrible wrong thing of using an old p4 i had i am looking towards newer stuff |
| [17:13:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: butter or margarine? |
| [17:13:29] | Shadow__X: | sphery: sweet and wagnerrp i agree |
| [17:13:29] | wagnerrp: | colonel's buttery spread |
| [17:13:54] | iamlindoro: | Heh... pretty sure I have metadata download to SGs working |
| [17:14:03] | iamlindoro: | Too bad I'm busy tonight and can't really test |
| [17:14:04] | sphery: | Shadow__X: if you live near Frys, they seem to have 5050e available for pickup only |
| [17:14:41] | sphery: | unfortunately, it's $60 |
| [17:16:33] | Shadow__X: | sphery: nope i do have microcenter though |
| [17:16:42] | Shadow__X: | i have no idea where a fry's is in relation to me |
| [17:17:14] | wagnerrp: | theres a microcenter just up the road from me... but the nearest Frys is 2hrs away in indianapolis |
| [17:18:34] | sphery: | sounds like the plan is to replace all the Athlon-based 45W processors with Phenom-based 45W processors. |
| [17:18:39] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: yeah i am on the east coast even farther |
| [17:18:42] | sphery: | Probably why you can't find the Athlon ones, now. |
| [17:18:54] | Shadow__X: | yeah but arent the phenom ones moar monies |
| [17:19:07] | wagnerrp: | im perfectly fine with them swapping 45W athlons for 45W phenoms |
| [17:19:16] | wagnerrp: | if they get around to doing it |
| [17:19:31] | sphery: | yeah, I don't see any--just press releases at this point. :) |
| [17:19:38] | Shadow__X: | yeah as am i if they are in the same price point |
| [17:21:02] | Shadow__X: | are the intel pentium e5200's comparible |
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| [17:24:36] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yes it does appear to be new feature week :) |
| [17:24:57] | iamlindoro: | Wheeeee! |
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| [17:25:06] | wagnerrp: | what other new features? |
| [17:26:05] | iamlindoro: | TV support in MythVideo, Greyfoxx's DVD changer support, juski working on MythUI stuff, probably DVB-S2 support coming, etc. |
| [17:26:24] | GreyFoxx: | I have dvd changer setup menus working, now I have unload/loading working via mythprotocol, I need to tidy that up and add in a few more direct calls. Next is patching mythvideo to know to making changer calls if someone wants to play a dvd from the library , and finally setup the actually streaming of the device |
| [17:27:09] | kormoc: | dude, we have write support in myth proto now |
| [17:27:11] | ** kormoc dances ** | |
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| [17:27:34] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: And I'm midway through a patch to have metadata download in MythVideo go straight to SGs :) |
| [17:27:45] | iamlindoro: | Actually pretty certain it works, just have to get home to test |
| [17:28:05] | kormoc: | gonna get a billion popups again? ;) |
| [17:28:31] | iamlindoro: | No, I mean the ability to run a metadata lookup from a frontend with nothing locally mounted, and to stream the artwork into the appropriate SGs |
| [17:28:40] | iamlindoro: | with no local mounts of any kind |
| [17:29:05] | kormoc: | Yeah, I know, I was just poking fun given you said the same thing yesterday and had a billion popups when you tested ;) |
| [17:29:10] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:29:13] | iamlindoro: | It still *worked* |
| [17:29:26] | wagnerrp: | what TV support? |
| [17:29:29] | iamlindoro: | If it came down to it I'd put up with the popups once to do all the metadata handling once |
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| [17:30:05] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: My giganto Mythvideo patch for Subtitle/Season/Episode support in MythVideo, and support for TVDB grabbers, among other new MythVideo features |
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| [17:30:30] | wagnerrp: | oh, i saw the TVDB stuff got merged, but i didnt know about the subtitle/season/episode |
| [17:30:44] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose the latter is a requirement for the former |
| [17:30:48] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [17:31:08] | iamlindoro: | The latter was written first, and then RDV_Linux and I collaborated on the grabber logic, w/ him doing the grabber and me doing the MythVideo parts |
| [17:31:17] | iamlindoro: | And it works very, very nicely :) |
| [17:31:32] | iamlindoro: | Also adds some other commonly requested MV features |
| [17:31:35] | iamlindoro: | like "skip to" |
| [17:31:44] | iamlindoro: | (Ctrl-S) |
| [17:31:53] | sphery: | gbee: Pretty much everywhere else, INFO allows you to see/edit the info on what you're looking at (i.e. mark previously-recorded entry to allow re-record or edit the recording rule or edit the program recording priorities) but DETAILS gives you the detailed view of the program for which the record applies. To replace DETAILS everywhere, we'd just have to come up with a new action for the 2 types of information... |
| [17:31:56] | iamlindoro: | Really incremental search, but also allows one to just straight to a given letter |
| [17:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i guess ill have to update the bindings and my export job to handle season/episode numbers inside the database |
| [17:34:21] | iamlindoro: | pretty sure RDV has a patch for season/episode handling |
| [17:34:30] | iamlindoro: | otherwise dunno how Jamu could work |
| [17:34:34] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I am addicted to the (Ctrl-S) feature especially due to with the new utility I am working on. I just resynced with trunk to make sure everything work including Defying Gravity, and it does. |
| [17:34:50] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Yeah, I checked last night, thanks for the ix |
| [17:34:52] | iamlindoro: | fix |
| [17:34:53] | Shadow__X: | found a x2 4850e for 57 bucks |
| [17:35:01] | Shadow__X: | and a 5050e for 70 |
| [17:35:04] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: this info isn't backed by any knowledge of the protocol or the code, but I think there's a 7-second "quick" timeout and a 30-second timeout on protocol stuff. |
| [17:35:06] | Shadow__X: | on zipzoomfly |
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| [17:36:11] | GreyFoxx: | I can't find any user configurable option in the perl bindings for saying how long we will wait for a response heh |
| [17:36:31] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, I believe we're really bad and let it up to the default language timeout period |
| [17:37:22] | RDV_Linux: | With the latest trunk Jamu is off line. That is what I am working on now. As was proper the tvdb_api functions were moved to a separate directory but Jamu still expects it to be in the same directory as Jamu itself. Hopefully the fix and testing will not take too long. |
| [17:37:23] | kormoc: | which looks to be 5 seconds in perl by default |
| [17:37:44] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Ok. Do you know if there is a "perl bindings" way to up that ? |
| [17:37:55] | GreyFoxx: | since my task takes 7–8 seconds hehe |
| [17:38:16] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, IO::Socket::INET::MythTV subclasses IO::Socket::INET, which has a 5-second timeout |
| [17:38:55] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, aye, I can increase that, what's safe? |
| [17:39:02] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: you'd have to modify bindings/perl/IO/Socket/INET/MythTV.pm to specify Timeout => "5" in new() |
| [17:39:04] | GreyFoxx: | 15–20 seconds ? |
| [17:39:12] | sphery: | why not the same 7/30 |
| [17:39:20] | sphery: | 7 if requesting a quick timeout or 30 otherwise |
| [17:39:36] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [17:39:44] | kormoc: | we don't honor quick timeouts in the bindings afaik |
| [17:39:54] | juski: | mmkay, so should I go ahead & do the analogue clock widget or sort out the rotate effect into the qt & gl painter first? |
| [17:40:19] | juski: | I'll go have a look at the painter code |
| [17:40:23] | sphery: | I don't know whether the quick timeouts are something we specifically request in cpp code or if it's automatic for certain commands/interactions... |
| [17:40:37] | kormoc: | sphery, actually, I think we need to set the timeout by switching to nonblocking reads and do it that way with our own timer... |
| [17:40:40] | sphery: | I'd guess Anduin would know much better |
| [17:40:54] | mazda01: | i am using the --link option with mythrename but I have 2 storage directories and it doesn't appear to be making links for all the recordings. can anyone suggest what I am doing wrong? |
| [17:41:10] | sphery: | kormoc: mine was more of a guess... I trust your perl much better than mine |
| [17:41:12] | anykey_: | juski: vbw :-p |
| [17:41:25] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, and with myth_system there is no current way for me to read the output of the command |
| [17:41:38] | GreyFoxx: | might have to redirect it to a file and read that upon completion I guess |
| [17:41:41] | sphery: | mazda01: it only makes links for the files that can be found on the local filesystem |
| [17:41:50] | juski: | anykey_: no sideswiping me now :) |
| [17:42:00] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: MythVideo has several examples using QProcess to do that |
| [17:42:03] | mazda01: | sphery, all files are stored locally |
| [17:42:09] | GreyFoxx: | oh? |
| [17:42:11] | GreyFoxx: | Cool |
| [17:42:14] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: we have 2 other places where we get the output of the file--the xmltv stuff and the miscellaneous status info stuff |
| [17:42:15] | mazda01: | sphery, there's 2 storage directories |
| [17:42:19] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [17:42:25] | juski: | y'know if I manage to figure a rotate effect into the gl painter it might be as easy to make it 3D |
| [17:42:31] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, how the grabbers are called, also in mythfilldatabase I believe |
| [17:42:51] | sphery: | mazda01: and the links to files in both dirs aren't commingled in the link dir? |
| [17:42:55] | sphery: | look closely |
| [17:43:01] | kormoc: | sphery, do we default to quick timeouts or long timeouts? |
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| [17:43:08] | sphery: | kormoc: no idea... |
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| [17:43:30] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Cool. This should do the trick. |
| [17:43:46] | mazda01: | sphery, it doesn't appear that there are 130 linked files. i ahve currently 130 recordings or around that many. i need to learn a command to see how many files are in a directory. some this with ls i am sure |
| [17:44:22] | Anduin: | The normal backend socket code will wait a long time, and even occasionally reconnects successfully. |
| [17:44:23] | sphery: | Anduin: I heard a rumor that the QProcess stuff is now thread-safe in Qt4, is that true or does he need to be careful? |
| [17:44:45] | brad2: | hey guys, when finding a bug, do people normally read through all the tickets on svn to make sure it hasn't already been filed? |
| [17:44:56] | Anduin: | sphery: Care is still needed, or at least that is how I remember it. |
| [17:45:19] | kormoc: | brad2, they search for it typically |
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| [17:46:02] | Anduin: | sphery: The usual create/use in a single thread does apply to most of the functions (the xmltv stuff did it wrong initially for example) |
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| [17:46:27] | android6011: | what are the best full on myth distros? the only one i really see thats maintained it mythbuntu |
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| [17:46:38] | gbee: | brad2: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo |
| [17:47:13] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: just as a warning--when putting in the miscellaneous status info stuff (which was all called from one thread), I used QProcess and it caused problems/crashes because QProcess wasn't thread safe. I ended up changing it to use popen() rather than QProcess in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4381#comment:1 |
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| [17:48:35] | gbee: | sphery: I'd put the edit stuff under a MENU |
| [17:48:51] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: looks like Qt4's QProcess is re-entrant but Qt3's isn't. |
| [17:48:52] | gbee: | that at least would be more consistent |
| [17:49:34] | sphery: | gbee: that works for me... I don't have any strong feelings either way--except if we're going to keep an info/details separation in some places, we should make the key available in PBB. |
| [17:49:51] | sphery: | if the plan is to get rid of it, leaving it out of PBB is fine. |
| [17:52:50] | juski: | hrm. doesn't seem to be much to the opengl painter as such |
| [17:53:50] | juski: | gbee: I'm obviously missing a trick here – doubt i'd be able to just transplant the Rotate(angle) function as easy as just plonking it in mythpainter_ogl |
| [17:56:02] | juski: | any opelgl experts in da house? ;-) |
| [17:56:07] | juski: | *opengl |
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| [18:01:26] | mazda01: | sphery, nope, when I ls -la | grep /media/ (which /media/ is the location of the other storage directory), i get no results in return but when I look in the /media/500gb/recordings/ directory there are many recordings in it. So I am just wondering if mythrename.pl --link is suppose to create links for all recordings in both storage directories? |
| [18:01:58] | mazda01: | sphery, here is my sudo crontab: 30 * * * * /usr/local/bin/mythrename.pl --link /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/readable-recordings |
| [18:01:58] | sphery: | mazda01: --livetv ? |
| [18:02:25] | sphery: | mazda01: er, --live |
| [18:02:38] | mazda01: | sphery, no, both storage directories are defined in the default storage group or storage directory. whatever it's termed |
| [18:03:05] | sphery: | still, it's possible that there may not be any real recordings in the 2nd |
| [18:03:13] | mazda01: | per mythtv-setup storage directories |
| [18:03:25] | sphery: | otherwise, it's almost definitely a permissions thing |
| [18:04:30] | mazda01: | sphery, both recordings directories /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and /media/500gb/recordings/ have this for their permissions. drwxrwsrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 8192 2009-08–06 12:52 recordings |
| [18:04:30] | sphery: | make sure a) you define a valid HOME in the crontab, b) you have a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml , c) the user running mythrename.pl has read/execute on the recordings dirs and has read/write/execute on the link dir |
| [18:05:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, RE: your question about slaves and remote file writing, currently you have to write directly to the backend you want the file on, the master does not proxy. that is something in the back of my mind though. I"m thinking that the 'password' part of the url could be the desired backend. myth://Default:192.168.3.200@192.168.3.100 would write the file to .200 via .100. that probably needs a bit more intelligence othe |
| [18:05:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | r than a straight proxy because if the slave is writing to the same filesystem the master can see, there's not much reason to proxy instead of writing/reading directly. |
| [18:05:11] | sphery: | mazda01: and recordings files have read permissions for the user running mythrename.pl ? |
| [18:05:36] | mazda01: | sphery, i am running the mythrename.pl from root crontab so I would think so right? |
| [18:05:54] | mazda01: | sphery, here's my users config.xml file http://pastebin.com/f6e9ed3d2 |
| [18:06:14] | brad2: | is there an easy way i can determine what version of SVN i have downloaded and am using? |
| [18:06:15] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, well, I was more thinking of the case where I just want to store a file on a specific SG, but I don't care which backend physically has it, as long as it's available |
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| [18:06:44] | mazda01: | not sure what defining a valid HOME for the crontab means? the crontab is being run by root. all my cron jobs are edited via sudo crontab -e |
| [18:06:48] | sphery: | mazda01: I'm out of ideas, then |
| [18:07:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | you can do specific SG now, just not a specific dir, although that is something I'm thinking about as well, having a 'suggested dir' somehow. |
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| [18:07:07] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Thanks a ton for the commit on the write stuff-- I have an (untested) patch done now to handle Metadata Downloading in MythVideo straight into the appropriate image Storage Group |
| [18:07:24] | iamlindoro: | Which goes a looooooong way towards making an SG-only MythVideo possible |
| [18:07:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, yeah, thought about messaging you when it went in, but I figured you'd notice the commit email. |
| [18:07:36] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, but the mythrename.pl is suppose to create symlinks for ALL recordings in both directories though? |
| [18:07:42] | iamlindoro: | yep :) |
| [18:08:03] | sphery: | mazda01: it means put in a line: HOME=/path/to/a/home/dir/ |
| [18:08:25] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, right, but I mean, I want to write poster X to SG y, but I have to (to follow the backend's balance routines) calculate which slave has the most free space on SG y, and then somehow get the io usage and factor that in before sending it to the slave, all from the bindings, we'll be writing that at least 4 times (PHP, Python, Perl, C++), vs if the master could proxy, we'd write that once (C++) |
| [18:08:38] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, I honestly don't know how I'd even get the IO usage in the binding level |
| [18:08:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I have a hacked MythTV.pm that supports it as well, but I need to clean that up and test more. I wrote the perl upload code first then did the cpp code this week. |
| [18:09:01] | mazda01: | sphery, oh, root crontab doesn't contain anything like that? all the jobs in my root crontab run, it's just that i am not getting symlinks created for the recordings stored in /media/500gb/recordings/ |
| [18:09:27] | sphery: | kormoc: nothing currently balances I/O usage (either load or space usage) across filesystems on different hosts |
| [18:09:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | kormoc, for small files like posters I/O is not an issue. that's why I put that comment in my commit log about writing recordings via this would require some storage scheduling code changes. |
| [18:09:34] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:10:02] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, yeah, well, I was more thinking of importing videos into SG's I guess, which would happen |
| [18:10:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, the storage scheduler does balance I/O (on a high level) |
| [18:10:05] | mazda01: | sphery, if I run myth.find-orphans.pl does that search both storage directories against the database? |
| [18:10:24] | sphery: | kormoc: if you have backends with their own local storage and no NFS mounts, the scheduler will tell one to record a file and the /local/ dir with the lowest weight and most free space will be used |
| [18:10:34] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: but not across "disconnected" hosts |
| [18:10:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | correct |
| [18:10:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | because disconnected hosts couldn't share storage before. |
| [18:10:58] | sphery: | so just picking a host isn't any worse than what the scheduler does now |
| [18:11:04] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [18:11:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | with the remote writeable support, that could be changed. |
| [18:11:13] | sphery: | right |
| [18:11:33] | sphery: | I hope to make code to move recordings from host to host--either interactively, or (if enabled by the user) automatically |
| [18:11:55] | sphery: | I'm just taking my time so that you'll have all the hard work done for me :) |
| [18:11:59] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: The only thing I'm uncertain on is whether I should be checking for any sort of error state on a remotefile Write() |
| [18:11:59] | iamlindoro: | I'm testing remotefile->IsOpen(), but then I do the Write() and I'm not sure if I should just leave that hanging out there |
| [18:12:02] | iamlindoro: | Though I suppose if that fails it'll show up on the backend |
| [18:12:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | scheduler could set a recording's pathname to myth://StorageGroup@IP/CHANID_STARTTIME.mpg and the recorder would write it remotely. |
| [18:13:18] | sphery: | that should be heavily down-weighted, IMHO |
| [18:13:35] | sphery: | otherwise, it completely ignores the whole prefer-local-versus-network writes thing |
| [18:13:45] | sphery: | I'd say, by default, same as non-local/NFS |
| [18:14:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, you can see how many bytes were written, although that means written to the remote ringbuffer, not necessarily to the remote disk if threadedfilewriter had an issue. |
| [18:14:18] | mazda01: | huh??? i used to be able to run myth.find-orphans.pl and now when I try to run it with -h, -u, and -p (all correct info) i get this in return: ERROR: no directory found or specified |
| [18:14:30] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Which remotefile function? |
| [18:14:36] | iamlindoro: | That sounds like "good enough" to me |
| [18:15:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | RemoteFile::Write() returns the # of bytes sent to the remote server. if they were sent, then they were written to the RingBuffer on the remote end. |
| [18:15:55] | sphery: | mazda01: that script is a horrible legacy script that has no support for Storage Groups, so you have to specify the directory to scan |
| [18:16:11] | ** sphery goes back to working on the patch that will make it obsolete ** | |
| [18:16:15] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Ah-hah, perfect, thanks-- having the extra check would be good |
| [18:16:25] | juski: | damn damn damn damn damn |
| [18:16:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, we need some extra commands in RemoteFile now, like maybe a Sync and a Stat |
| [18:17:05] | mazda01: | sphery, oh, so it would myth.find-orphans.pl -h hostname -u mythtv -p password /media/500gb/recordings/. is there a new way to check database against storage groups? |
| [18:17:09] | sphery: | Dr RemoteFile to OR 1, Stat! |
| [18:17:26] | sphery: | mazda01: nope, I'm writing it now |
| [18:17:42] | orogor: | grummble , i fell like i bought the video card for nothing |
| [18:17:49] | mazda01: | sphery, i just tried running myth.find_orphans.pl -host 192.168.0.5 -user mythtv -pass qWDt7YiQ /media/500gb/recordings/ and i still get the error? |
| [18:17:53] | sphery: | don't know the command for find orphans, though--I'll leave figuring it out to you |
| [18:18:04] | ** kormoc likes the fact that mazda01 is shocked that the script works the same as it did the last time he ran it ** | |
| [18:18:24] | juski: | orogor: try the same file in another player which uses VDPAU. if the problem is still there, take it up with nvidia |
| [18:18:25] | mazda01: | kormoc, it wokred last time that's what I am puzzled by |
| [18:18:27] | sphery: | what do they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results? |
| [18:18:35] | iamlindoro: | Insanity |
| [18:18:48] | kormoc: | mazda01, that's unlikely given it hasn't changed in forever |
| [18:19:08] | sphery: | mazda01: you need --help |
| [18:19:23] | juski: | ah well, I'm off work til next Thursday. no rush on this 3 painter conundrum |
| [18:19:49] | mazda01: | kormoc, i know, that's what I am so shocked about. I swear I just ran it when I combined my master and slave backends into one master backend with a 3 tuners in it. now I am trying to run it again and it's not working. I swear it cleaned up things before. |
| [18:20:27] | kormoc: | juski, Swine Flu still? |
| [18:20:49] | mazda01: | sphery, sorry, got it now with the --dir syntax |
| [18:21:19] | mazda01: | sphery, i know i need help, i often jump into something and ask for help too soon. I need to remember the man pages and --verbose and --help |
| [18:21:49] | juski: | kormoc: I'm officially in isolation now, and I was signed off til next wedesday |
| [18:21:59] | kormoc: | juski, ick! |
| [18:22:06] | juski: | they wouldn't sign me off for less :D |
| [18:22:25] | juski: | work's loss could be mythtv's gain ;) |
| [18:22:37] | kormoc: | heh, as long as it doesn't hurt the bank too bad :) |
| [18:22:37] | AndyCap: | winfluenza |
| [18:22:55] | mazda01: | sphery, WOW, this can't be right. it's saying that it want's to remove 62 .mpg files in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and 24 .mpg files in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. This leads me to believe that the myth.find-orphans.pl doesn't work correctly |
| [18:23:15] | juski: | I hope not too. I hate being off the way things are with em laying folks off lately |
| [18:23:43] | kormoc: | mazda01, you could... you know... check to see if it's right or not rather then making wild guesses |
| [18:24:15] | orogor: | juski, which players support vdpau without specific patches o r using svn ? |
| [18:24:25] | kormoc: | orogor, none at the moment |
| [18:24:37] | juski: | just grab some mplayer source & build it |
| [18:24:38] | mazda01: | kormoc, how can I know if it's correct? there are in unreadable form. 1539_2009071220000.mpg |
| [18:25:08] | juski: | mazda01: they're not unreadable |
| [18:25:12] | kormoc: | mazda01, by seeing if there's a entry in the recorded table for chanid 1539 with a start time of '2009-07–12 20:00:00'? |
| [18:25:24] | juski: | chanid1539, 12th July 2009 at 22:00 |
| [18:25:35] | gbee: | 20:00 |
| [18:25:36] | juski: | er 20:00 I mean |
| [18:25:38] | mazda01: | kormoc, i wish I knew mysql command to check that. i guess I am off to goggle |
| [18:26:04] | kormoc: | SELECT FROM recorded WHERE chanid = 1539 AND starttime = '2009-07–12 20:00:00'; |
| [18:26:14] | gbee: | SELECT title, subtitle |
| [18:26:19] | gbee: | would be more useful |
| [18:26:23] | kormoc: | SELECT title, subtitle FROM |
| [18:26:24] | kormoc: | aye |
| [18:26:50] | gbee: | I was halfway through the date when you replied ;) |
| [18:26:57] | sphery: | mazda01: as I mentioned before, "a horrible legacy script" |
| [18:27:13] | kormoc: | heh |
| [18:27:14] | mazda01: | sphery, i see. when I enter the above command, I get a mysql syntax error |
| [18:27:20] | gbee: | with no replacement, yet |
| [18:27:37] | juski: | need MOARMONITOR for this work. trying to study about 8 files at the same time |
| [18:27:41] | orogor: | hahah , it seems my mplayer is still patched for vdpau, and it throws out the same cubes |
| [18:27:58] | orogor: | so... that s an nvidia issue |
| [18:28:04] | orogor: | crap |
| [18:28:05] | mazda01: | SELECT FROM recorded WHERE chanid = 1539 AND starttime = '2009-07–12 20:00'; return a mysql sytnax error |
| [18:28:07] | juski: | orogor: so take it up with nvidia via the nvnews forum I guess, find out how to post a sample of the video |
| [18:28:07] | kormoc: | mazda01, you're keeping us in suspense! What could this error be? |
| [18:28:19] | kormoc: | mazda01, read my correction? |
| [18:28:23] | mazda01: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to |
| [18:29:37] | gbee: | SELECT title, subtitle FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1539' AND starttime = '2009-07–12 20:00:00'; |
| [18:30:10] | mazda01: | kormoc, it says that the .mpg file is for Ice Road Truckers subtitle Wicked Weather. so it is in the database. so I guess I anot going to use myth.find-orphans.pl |
| [18:30:14] | gbee: | orogor: which driver version? |
| [18:30:45] | orogor: | 180.60 |
| [18:30:58] | orogor: | thats the ubuntu package |
| [18:31:22] | gbee: | distros are always weeks behind, 185.14 is the current stable version iirc |
| [18:31:29] | kormoc: | xris, if you have some time, evidently there's a short timeout of 7 seconds and a long timeout of 30 seconds with mythproto, the perl bindings are defaulting to to a 5 second timeout, would be nice to update them to support short/long with a flag defaulting to long |
| [18:31:31] | gbee: | and 190.* are in beta |
| [18:32:09] | xris: | kormoc: ping me about it tonight. |
| [18:32:14] | orogor: | humm the use they dell compile at noot thingy i dont want to screw up with that |
| [18:32:25] | kormoc: | xris, rgr |
| [18:32:47] | orogor: | compile at boot i meant |
| [18:33:07] | sphery: | kormoc: did And uin clarify the whole quick versus not quick timeout thing (and when they come into play)? |
| [18:33:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:33:14] | mazda01: | weird, when I check the database for each of these so far, I see a recordings. so I guess myth.find-orphans.pl is not working with storage groups. 500gb returns this: http://pastebin.com/f105f9b60 and /var/ returns this: http://pastebin.com/f127d5ba6 |
| [18:33:40] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, but if we support it and have a flag we can toggle, we can start supporting it 'correctly' in the bindings much easier |
| [18:33:42] | sphery: | mazda01: 08.06 14:15:55 <+sphery> mazda01: that script is a horrible legacy script that has no support for Storage Groups, so you have to specify the directory to scan |
| [18:33:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you'll want to do the same for the python bindings |
| [18:34:09] | kormoc: | sphery, it's more it's reporting bad files that are actually good |
| [18:35:15] | mazda01: | sphery, i did specify the directory to scan. ran it twice, each time specifying each of my storage locations. shoudl it work then? |
| [18:35:32] | sphery: | mazda01: I don't trust anything that script does |
| [18:35:36] | sphery: | I wouldn't use it |
| [18:35:42] | sphery: | It hasn't been maintained in years |
| [18:35:51] | sphery: | and was a hack to begin with |
| [18:36:16] | mazda01: | sphery, after what I have found, i am not going to use it either. I am jsut trying to figure out why mythrename.pl isn't creating links for any recordings located in /media/500gb/recordings |
| [18:36:20] | sphery: | it was a better hack than rebuild_database, but that one is an older hack (with only half the functionality of find orphans) |
| [18:36:38] | sphery: | mazda01: probably for the same reason you get the "no directories found" error with find_orphans |
| [18:36:55] | sphery: | your system config is broken or your db is broken or you're running things wrong |
| [18:37:10] | ** kormoc places money on all three ** | |
| [18:37:15] | kormoc: | I'll win no matter what! |
| [18:37:17] | sphery: | I don't know which specifically |
| [18:37:39] | ** sphery wonders if kormoc hedges on the commodities markets, too ** | |
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| [18:38:37] | kormoc: | sphery, totally, with Bernard Madoff |
| [18:38:45] | sphery: | mazda01: anyway, the best thing to do is start simple... run mythrename.pl as the user who runs mythbackend and/or mythfrontend |
| [18:38:48] | sphery: | get that working |
| [18:38:58] | sphery: | then try to figure out how to get the cron job working |
| [18:39:02] | mazda01: | sphery, even when I run it from the command line as root. mythrename.pl --link /media/500gb1/test/ it only puts readable links in the test directory that were in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. |
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| [18:39:11] | sphery: | is root running mythbackend? |
| [18:39:28] | sphery: | as I said, you /must/ have a valid HOME that's properly configured for bindings |
| [18:39:46] | mazda01: | sphery, user mythtv started the backend |
| [18:40:02] | sphery: | so, "start simple... run mythrename.pl as the user who runs mythbackend" |
| [18:40:19] | sphery: | sudo -u mythtv -i |
| [18:40:28] | mazda01: | sphery, i am sorry, i wish I knew what that meant. mythtv, root, and my user all have a /home/username directory |
| [18:40:57] | sphery: | sudo -u mythtv -i |
| [18:41:02] | sphery: | then run mythrename.pl --link |
| [18:41:06] | sphery: | from the command line |
| [18:41:39] | sphery: | chances are, you'll have to have root delete the entire contents of the link dir, though |
| [18:41:47] | sphery: | as mythtv probably can't use it since it's all root |
| [18:41:57] | sphery: | then run mythrename.pl |
| [18:42:41] | mazda01: | sphery, i don't know the password for user mythtv? |
| [18:43:16] | sphery: | sudo -u mythtv -i |
| [18:43:24] | sphery: | asks for the password for the current user |
| [18:44:28] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, this is what I get. |
| [18:44:29] | mazda01: | sphery, Can't create symlink /media/500gb1/test//UFC Unleashed – 2009-07–20, 6–00 PM.mpg: Permission denied |
| [18:44:38] | sphery: | 08.06 14:41:39 <+sphery> chances are, you'll have to have root delete the entire contents of the link dir, though |
| [18:44:45] | sphery: | 08.06 14:41:47 <+sphery> as mythtv probably can't use it since it's all root |
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| [18:47:58] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: whats that? |
| [18:49:23] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: if youre talking about timeouts on the backend communication |
| [18:49:30] | wagnerrp: | the default is currently set to 10 seconds |
| [18:49:44] | wagnerrp: | and the socket instance is accessible, so you can very easily change it in a script |
| [18:51:23] | wagnerrp: | right now there is no short/long timeout, or any intelligence on when to choose which |
| [18:51:44] | sphery: | I don't know what's used to choose which in the cpp code, either |
| [18:52:21] | wagnerrp: | honestly, for everything ive done, including file transfers |
| [18:52:36] | wagnerrp: | one second is plenty |
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| [18:53:50] | wagnerrp: | that may be because ive never had to wait for disks to spin up |
| [18:54:08] | wagnerrp: | and i dont have an excessive amount of recordings to walk through |
| [18:54:17] | GreyFoxx: | in my case it;'s waiting for a dvd changer to load/unload a disk can take 7 or 8 seconds |
| [18:54:45] | GreyFoxx: | so I want to be sure the client waits around long enough for the success/fail repsonse |
| [18:54:52] | wagnerrp: | right, im saying 7/30 seem a bit long |
| [18:54:57] | wagnerrp: | maybe 2/10 would b ebetter |
| [18:55:01] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, running the mythrename.pl command as mythtv and linking to a directory that is owned by mythtv:mythtv and is rwx by all, only puts symlinks for the recordings in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ |
| [18:55:45] | wagnerrp: | or of course, just being able to tune the timeout in your own script |
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| [19:03:03] | mazda01: | i am getting tons of errors in my frontend log. this one: MythSocket(9d416930:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. and this one: MythSocket(9d416930:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. and this one: RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. do they mean anything to anyone? |
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| [19:12:29] | Aval0n: | wow .21 still current |
| [19:12:39] | Aval0n: | cool |
| [19:12:41] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
| [19:12:42] | sphery: | actually 0.21-fixes is still current |
| [19:12:46] | Aval0n: | sup ppl |
| [19:12:47] | Aval0n: | been a while |
| [19:12:53] | sphery: | 0.21 release tarball is (and has been) broken |
| [19:12:55] | Aval0n: | yeah there is that ;) |
| [19:13:32] | sphery: | mazda01: those errors are common in -fixes on newer distros and /very/ common on trunk on newer distros... No known solutions (or causes), yet. |
| [19:17:28] | gbee: | but system related, probably kernel |
| [19:18:01] | sphery: | right |
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| [19:30:34] | gbee: | does anyone have some vorbis tagged flac examples? |
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| [19:34:16] | juski: | plenty tagged flacs |
| [19:36:00] | gbee: | might need a couple later to test out this code |
| [19:37:59] | iamlindoro: | HOLY CRAP IT WORKED! |
| [19:38:11] | iamlindoro: | Copying 'http://images.themoviedb.org/backdrops/4469/tt0086465.jpg' -> 'myth://Fanart@192.168.0.99:6543/0086465.jpg' |
| [19:38:24] | iamlindoro: | Mwaaahahaahah |
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| [19:39:03] | juski: | congrats! |
| [19:39:13] | iamlindoro: | thx, that should make image SGs tons more usable |
| [19:39:28] | juski: | I'm stuffed now. way in over my head |
| [19:40:24] | juski: | gbee: would the new mythuishape function be a good benchmark for how to divvy up things between the 3 painters? |
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| [19:45:40] | gbee: | juski: never really looked at it, but knowing some of the compromises Paul had to make maybe not |
| [19:45:55] | gbee: | maybe "I don't know" would be a more honest answer |
| [19:46:15] | juski: | heh thanks anyway |
| [19:46:57] | juski: | this isn't a dig, but if only there was an example of an effect in the painters already ;-) |
| [19:47:05] | gbee: | iamlindoro: nice, might actually make this storage group streaming code in mythvideo usable for 0.22 and just a week ago we were discussing the need to disable it |
| [19:47:17] | gbee: | juski: sure |
| [19:47:30] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Thanks-- working through a very small SG related problem right now but in limited testing it works great |
| [19:48:21] | iamlindoro: | Have another couple of patches that improve the situation in little ways, but this is a big one |
| [19:48:27] | iamlindoro: | stepwise, not patchwise |
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| [19:48:33] | juski: | gbee: I'm not even sure an effect is the right way to go about it as such. I'll dig around a load more & see if just the qt painter needs an actual qt translation & then maybe the opengl version just needs an angle attribute shoehorned in |
| [19:49:09] | gbee: | 0.22 might be feature packed for many people, but it's still disappointing to think of all the stuff that we had planned which probably won't make the cut and how much better it would make things |
| [19:49:32] | schuschu: | does anybody know if there is a way to use the remote control of the technotrend tt-connect s-2400? |
| [19:49:32] | gbee: | glad that at least there is a possibility of the storage group streaming making it |
| [19:49:44] | juski: | short of skills, short of people, way too many tickets... same old same old |
| [19:50:20] | iamlindoro: | juski, You know my feelings on the matter, a people shortage need not be a problem, that one is brought upon this project internall |
| [19:50:21] | iamlindoro: | y |
| [19:50:30] | juski: | what's mythpainter.cpp all about then? |
| [19:50:30] | gbee: | juski: yeah, might make more sense to make it an attribute of the paint call |
| [19:51:04] | gbee: | juski: base class, it's a shell, not directly but it's the foundation on which the other painters are built |
| [19:51:12] | juski: | ah k |
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| [19:53:56] | juski: | gbee: if I manage a rotate attribute for images ;) |
| [19:54:14] | juski: | wouldn't be too hard to do vertical text I imagine |
| [19:55:06] | schuschu: | can anybody tell me where i can get more informations about the remote control of a technotrend tt-connect s-2400? |
| [19:55:21] | laga_: | schuschu: google. |
| [19:55:32] | sphery: | lirc.org ? |
| [19:56:17] | schuschu: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/1161 . . . e-issue.html |
| [19:56:53] | schuschu: | nobody could help him so i dont have much hope about lirc (no input device in dmesg) |
| [19:58:56] | sphery: | lirc has many lirc-specific drivers that don't use the /dev/input subsystem |
| [19:59:21] | sphery: | and if they don't have anything specific, then you likely need to talk to v4l folks |
| [19:59:29] | ** dustybin looks forward to .22 and all the hard work he has put into it ** | |
| [19:59:53] | ** iamlindoro looks dangerously at dustybin ** | |
| [20:00:03] | ** kormoc eyes dustybin ** | |
| [20:00:14] | ** dustybin makes a quick ** | |
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| [20:00:21] | iamlindoro: | moron |
| [20:01:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | gbee, that's why I went ahead and worked on the remote file writing, so we wouldn't have to revert mythVideo streaming from SGs. |
| [20:04:14] | jduggan: | lmfao |
| [20:04:19] | jduggan: | that was funny for dustybin :S |
| [20:07:08] | juski: | wonder if glRotate wants args in radians or degrees |
| [20:09:20] | kormoc: | juski, Degrees iirc |
| [20:12:38] | linxeh: | offtopic question: has anyone connected an (upscaling) freeview box with HDMI out to a DVI PC monitor before (capable of 1280x1024) ? |
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| [20:16:29] | juski: | you won't get any audio with that :) |
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| [20:29:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, regarding balancing usage by moving files around, I was planning on making a routine to move/copy a file from one location to another and a way to call that via the protocol. then we can hook that into the expirer and a migration job to move files between SG's. also thinking we need a DELETE_FILE backend command as well. |
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| [20:30:05] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, if I write to an existing file, will it overwrite or append? |
| [20:31:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | overwrite. still up in the air on that. might want to put in some checks in there or could just let the OS handle perms. |
| [20:31:48] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [20:32:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | I figured if you run your backend as root there are lots of other ways to exploit that. |
| [20:32:19] | kormoc: | Heh, yeah |
| [20:32:33] | kormoc: | just set the external status command and hit the status port... |
| [20:33:01] | sphery: | sure, blame me |
| [20:33:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | multitude of things like that. I wasn't even thinking external commands. |
| [20:33:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | channel changer == "rm -rf /" anyone? |
| [20:33:17] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:33:22] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [20:33:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | I can see the trac ticket now, "LiveTV works until I change the channel, then it erases everything on the frontend's hard disk. |
| [20:33:54] | j-rod: | that'd be fun |
| [20:34:36] | kormoc: | Captain_Murdoch, nah, "LiveTV works until I change the channel, then I get heavy IO and when I reboot, the drive is corrupted" |
| [20:34:48] | juski: | hahaha my attempts to add an angle attribute are resulting in major compilation breakage |
| [20:34:50] | sphery: | kormoc: I really didn't like the lmsensors stuff that was bringing down my mythbackend, so I took it out and added the Myth pwned script capability... |
| [20:35:05] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, yeah, understandable |
| [20:35:45] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: ah... didnt know there was no way to delete files |
| [20:35:59] | ** kormoc wonders how many people who have owned mythboxes via mythweb ** | |
| [20:35:59] | wagnerrp: | guess that would make any new script only marginally better than previous ones |
| [20:36:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: only recordings, right now |
| [20:36:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, not individual files, no need for it currently. |
| [20:36:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: need a actual programinfo to delete |
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| [20:36:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well you can delete the recording files, but that deletes all the metadata as well |
| [20:36:29] | juski: | bah. svn revert libs/libmythui/* |
| [20:36:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | with my multiple-file-per-recording patch, you could theoretically have different files on different hosts. |
| [20:37:12] | sphery: | yeah, and for managing this "other" stuff, DELETE_FILE would be nice |
| [20:37:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's part of why I need a DELETE_FILE, so the master can tell a slave to delete a file. |
| [20:37:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, as I was driving this morning I was thinking all this other stuff isn't managed at all. |
| [20:37:38] | sphery: | plus, we could finally get slow delete capability for the old (pre-transcode) files :) |
| [20:38:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yep. |
| [20:39:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | and the plan with the multiple-file mod is that if you want to keep the original around, it will actually just be another recordedfile for that recording so it gets cleaned up by Myth. |
| [20:40:17] | juski: | couch time |
| [20:40:20] | sphery: | kormoc: Speaking of "only for the plot," have you watched Harper's Island? Had a lot of potential, but it went downhill. (Physics pun intended.) |
| [20:40:39] | kormoc: | sphery, I have not actually |
| [20:40:51] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I like that a lot--better than the separate entry patch that's on Trac, now. |
| [20:41:20] | sphery: | though the separate entry is better than nothing |
| [20:41:47] | sphery: | (not that it's worth committing just for that) |
| [20:42:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah. when I saw that ticket come through I went googling to find my perl hack that did the same thing from 3–4 years ago. It's like the myth_archive_job hack I did. I'd rather keep hacks external though so I didn't touch that ticket yet. |
| [20:43:41] | sphery: | speaking of myth_archive_job.pl, wouldn't it make sense to take the link command out of there for the committed version? |
| [20:44:07] | sphery: | simplifies it a little and makes it "SG compatible" (though not SG aware) |
| [20:44:39] | juski: | no way! hahaha it compiles |
| [20:44:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | if I did that I'd feel the need to do the SG work on it. :) |
| [20:44:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:44:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | juski, "svn revert" does wonders for compilation. |
| [20:44:54] | juski: | oops. spoke too soon |
| [20:45:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) |
| [20:46:37] | juski: | oh, the pain, the pain |
| [20:48:13] | android6011: | if I install mythtv in vmware esxi, how will pci tuners work? or will they not? |
| [20:48:20] | iamlindoro: | They will not |
| [20:48:24] | jams: | they will not |
| [20:48:28] | android6011: | ok |
| [20:48:42] | android6011: | so just network and usb tuners would work? |
| [20:49:03] | android6011: | I just wnat backend on the server |
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| [20:55:08] | juski: | don't think I've ever changed this many files in one session before. and all for what? heh |
| [20:55:32] | juski: | every occurence of DrawImage() |
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| [20:55:40] | laga_: | sed? ;) |
| [20:56:03] | j-rod: | however... if you install mythtv in a kvm guest on a fairly recent distro... you *can* pass a pci tuner through to the guest... in theory, anyway |
| [20:56:17] | laga_: | j-rod: even without iommu support in hardware? |
| [20:56:40] | j-rod: | hm. probably not. not certain though. |
| [20:58:36] | gbee: | juski: to throw a spanner in the works, maybe pass around an extensible struct which defines effects to apply? That way we don't need to continually extend the argument list for DrawImage() |
| [20:59:09] | juski: | gbee: in all honesty if I knew how to do that, that's what I would've been doing |
| [20:59:31] | j-rod: | laga_: yeah, needs iommu support. and dma remapping support on top of that. |
| [20:59:40] | gbee: | juski: give me a sec, I'll try and explain with a code snippet |
| [20:59:46] | gbee: | pastebin.ca is down right now |
| [20:59:57] | juski: | I was sitting here thinking ph so much for OO code, why can't I just overload/whatever |
| [21:01:04] | juski: | whee my changes built. doesn't *do* anything yet, just added the rotate attrib |
| [21:01:33] | juski: | the compiler error messages showed me exactly what I needed to do. easy when you know how |
| [21:03:22] | AndyCap: | android6011: heh, but people still want to do it. http://communities.vmware.com/thread/223498 PVR500 on esxi4 |
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| [21:03:57] | AndyCap: | his life would probably be easier if he ran mythtv on the hardware. :P |
| [21:05:51] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I have been struggling with this for the better part of an hour-- I have all the files downloading properly, but there is something very very strange happening-- even though a fanart image is being downloaded into the fanart directory, the image being loaded as fanart is the cover image |
| [21:06:13] | iamlindoro: | gbee, could there be an issue with the caching code when three iamges of the same name from different storage groups are downloaded and loaded? |
| [21:06:35] | iamlindoro: | appears to be a timing issue-- if I start the metadata download, then move off of the item, then back onto it when the download is done, it loads the correct images |
| [21:07:02] | iamlindoro: | Appears to only be exposed when downloading to SGs, which slightly delays some of the writes |
| [21:07:38] | iamlindoro: | The only solution I can come up with after trying tons of different stuff is that it's a caching issue |
| [21:09:32] | juski: | iamlindoro: looking at mythuiimage.cpp I think every image should have a unique ID |
| [21:10:34] | iamlindoro: | juski, After the initial "wrong" cache, I can remove the images from the cache and then go back over the item and they're correct |
| [21:10:48] | juski: | iamlindoro: but the ID is based on the filename among other things AFAICT |
| [21:10:51] | iamlindoro: | and yes, the attributes get added to the cached filenames-- just that they use the wrong source material |
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| [21:11:22] | juski: | iamlindoro: might need a new attribute ;) |
| [21:12:10] | juski: | oh wait, I'm looking at current code, not what you're doing. Duh, ignore me |
| [21:13:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm clawing my eyes out trying to figure out how MythVideo is managing to load a coverfile as a fanart... and since I wrote all this, it's my fault one way or the other |
| [21:13:20] | iamlindoro: | unless it really is a caching issue |
| [21:14:05] | juski: | try disabling the cache? |
| [21:14:35] | gbee: | iamlindoro: sorry, I was busy, I'll look at it in a minute |
| [21:14:41] | iamlindoro: | no worries |
| [21:15:07] | gbee: | -v file should give a little insight into how the cache is operating, the IDs being used etc |
| [21:15:31] | gbee: | GreyFoxx might be able to help, he wrote the original |
| [21:16:11] | iamlindoro: | http://pastebin.com/m20d8e0a2 |
| [21:16:23] | iamlindoro: | That's the patch to have Metadata stream into SGs, in case I did something stupid there |
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| [21:21:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | looks like that 3x repeated code needs to be broken out into a couple separate methods with arg to indicate Fanart, Coverart, Banners. :) |
| [21:22:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it does-- but this is just building on what's there (which is indeed overly repeated) |
| [21:22:46] | iamlindoro: | I'll fix it sometime soonish |
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| [21:24:59] | iamlindoro: | Anyhoo, the download portion works great, everything ends up where it's supposed to-- just that it seems to load whichever image completes downloading first as all visible imagetypes |
| [21:25:42] | juski: | details |
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| [21:26:32] | iamlindoro: | I have a vague notion that something might be wrong in VideoDialog::UpdateItem but exploratory commenting-out was unsuccessful |
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| [21:26:53] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: re: the SG fallback thing and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6255#comment:3 , is the plan to make the fallback different depending on whether the SG is being used for read or write (with more conservative fallback for write)? Or, would it make sense to change it so that we fallback from hostname to master backend hostname (i.e. never do the ignoring hosts thing)? |
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| [21:29:31] | thedarkone: | hey all |
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| [21:30:15] | thedarkone: | i bought a brand new sb sound card and i installed and all i get volume but mythtv can't control volume level |
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| [21:30:41] | sphery: | thedarkone: set your mixer device properly |
| [21:31:01] | sphery: | thedarkone: if you use Audio output device ALSA:default , use the same for Mixer device |
| [21:31:09] | sphery: | if you use /dev/dsp , use /dev/mixer |
| [21:31:26] | sphery: | and make sure you select the proper value for Mixer controls (PCM or Master) |
| [21:31:26] | thedarkone: | i tried the dev/dsp |
| [21:31:40] | thedarkone: | when i went into amixer |
| [21:31:48] | sphery: | and, if you're using digital output, you don't get volume control |
| [21:31:57] | thedarkone: | i don't see pcm or master |
| [21:31:59] | sphery: | (i.e. for S/PDIF or HDMI) |
| [21:32:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, for writing, I wonder if it should be group+hostname -> group+masterhostname -> Default+hostname -> Default+master, so we never fall back to writing to a directory we learned from a host other than ourself or the master. |
| [21:32:31] | sphery: | assuming you have passthrough enabled |
| [21:32:38] | thedarkone: | no |
| [21:32:46] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: that would work, too... |
| [21:33:11] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: I can understand the super-permissive fallback for reading, but the writing is an issue |
| [21:33:12] | thedarkone: | http://pastebin.com/m736b42ca |
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| [21:33:51] | sphery: | thedarkone: how about mythfrontend log in pastebin, please |
| [21:34:55] | sphery: | thedarkone: it looks like--from that output, you can't get internal volume control. Myth can only control the volume of PCM or Master |
| [21:35:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, might need to set a flag on a SG indicating whether we want to read or write to it (default read) and if write flag is set, we use the different fallback. as an off-the-wall idea, that could also be used to have some R/O and some R/W dirs in a SG. |
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| [21:36:08] | linxeh: | juski: I realise I wont get audio, but I can take that out of the analogue outputs (the hdmi freeview on dvi monitor thing) |
| [21:36:17] | linxeh: | juski: I was more concerned about the resolution, etc |
| [21:36:41] | sphery: | thedarkone: so you have 2 options: a) make a logical "softvol" control named Master or PCM (which you can do only because there's no hardware control called that) or b) use an external volume control (either an A/V receiver or an external script, like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/216149#216149 |
| [21:37:49] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: cool... When you looked at it last time, did you figure out where we'd need to set the write flag? I could make the SG fallback changes easily enough, but I'm not sure where to specify that we need a writable group. |
| [21:39:01] | thedarkone: | http://pastebin.com/m38e5f7c9 |
| [21:39:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think only scheduler.cpp (for normal scheduling) and tv_rec.cpp (for LiveTV fallback) and now mainserver.cpp (for remote file uploads) |
| [21:39:54] | sphery: | thedarkone: yeah, external controls is the only option... "Mixer unable to find control Master" ... "Mixer unable to find control PCM" |
| [21:40:05] | sphery: | (other than the softvol hack) |
| [21:40:41] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: alright... thanks. I haven't done anything on it, yet, because there were too many paths to trace. That will make it a lot easier. |
| [21:40:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | looks like dbutil.cpp also for backups. |
| [21:41:11] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I should have know about that one. :) |
| [21:41:56] | sphery: | any thoughts on letting the user of the SG know whether we fell back or not? |
| [21:42:06] | sphery: | better to keep it all internal to the SG or allow someone to know? |
| [21:42:14] | thedarkone: | so this sound blaster is junk |
| [21:42:32] | sphery: | or maybe just some static isDefined() function or something so you can check if one is defined for a particular host? |
| [21:42:48] | sphery: | thedarkone: actually, Intel HDA is junk. |
| [21:43:03] | sphery: | but since you can't do things differently from Intel, ... |
| [21:43:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, no big preference. can't think of much need to tell since reading falls back transparently as well. |
| [21:43:41] | sphery: | On the bright side, the next generation of Intel audio design is doing things right. It's doing things exactly like Creative did with their Sound Blasters in 1992. Finally, again! |
| [21:44:21] | thedarkone: | is there a vol thing |
| [21:44:33] | thedarkone: | or should i just take this card out |
| [21:44:34] | AndyCap: | which is what? 8-bit sound and a FM midi synth? |
| [21:45:32] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: I was considering makign a preview pixmaps SG. If it's not defined, then we just write the pixmaps in the same dir as the recording file. Otherwise, in the Previews SG. Though we /could/ just write to wherever it falls back, it could result in some previews being in different dirs from their recording files for users without a Previews SG. |
| [21:46:44] | sphery: | not a big deal, but just didn't want it to be too far different from current for people who don't set up a Previews SG |
| [21:47:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | delete code needs to be able to handle that as well. that's part of why I was thinking about a DELETE_FILE, since the current code assumes any previews are in the same dir as the video. I'm wondering whether previews need to be in the recordedfile table along with other copies of the video. |
| [21:47:05] | sphery: | anyway, I'll think more about that one later--when I'm actually working on that patch, again. |
| [21:47:09] | gbee: | sphery: what's the benefit? |
| [21:47:37] | gbee: | or is it just about keeping the recording directory tidy? |
| [21:47:43] | sphery: | mainly to clean up the recordings dirs and allow different filesystems (with different configurations) for (small) previews |
| [21:48:29] | sphery: | it was something that I thought was a good compromise for those who whine that even when they disable the option to display preview pixmaps (which you took out--yay!) that it still generates pixmaps |
| [21:49:28] | sphery: | Though some on the list have mentioned issues like doing an rm * .png (accidental space or forgotten extension) when trying to remove pixmaps and ended up deleting recordings |
| [21:49:43] | sphery: | anyway, not a big deal |
| [21:49:53] | sphery: | still a future patch, even |
| [21:50:02] | juski: | serves em right for manually mangling files, I say |
| [21:50:17] | juski: | muhahahaha |
| [21:50:20] | ** Captain_Murdoch is up in the air on a separate SG. even if your min filesize was one megabyte, what's the waste compared to the 500Meg to 6–7 Gig video file. ** | |
| [21:50:56] | sphery: | well, then that one will go to the bottom of my TODO list, then. :) |
| [21:51:03] | juski: | MOARCONFIGFIELDS! |
| [21:51:30] | sphery: | and we all know when people actually get to the bottom of their TODO lists... |
| [21:51:52] | sphery: | though it wouldn't be a config field... Just if the SG is there, it's used, if not, it's not. |
| [21:52:02] | juski: | speaking of todo lists.. I wanna dig out my c++ book but have a feeling it'll lead to yet another very late one |
| [21:52:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | the reason people touched those is because we didn't used to manage them as well. if we manage all files related to a recording in recordedfile, then we can clean them all up. find_orphans then would look at recordedfile. with the ability to use the protocol to get a list of all files and delete individual files, then a script like find_orphans could potentially cleanup all backends at once. |
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| [21:52:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/the reason/one of the reasons/ |
| [21:52:57] | sphery: | yeah, I'm actually working the orphan detection into the backend right now--first working on orphaned metadata (easier) then orphaned files. |
| [21:53:58] | sphery: | orphaned files will be automatically added to a recgroup ("Unidentified" or something?). orphaned metadata will be checked interactively (since it requires knowing that all filesystems are available) |
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| [21:54:49] | sphery: | Was planning on throwing the orphaned metadata check into MythXML to make it easy for scripts or MythWeb to use, too. Haven't decided on orphaned files. |
| [21:55:27] | zugzug: | anyone know any commercial dual QAM tuner DVRs off the top of their head? |
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| [21:55:35] | sphery: | (though it will be automatic through housekeeper, I plan to allow a user-initiated scan, too--for when you drop a backed up file in there) |
| [21:55:58] | sphery: | zugzug: TiVo? |
| [21:57:04] | sphery: | zugzug: https://www3.tivo.com/store/boxes.do?Wt.ac=sh . . . oxeslist_img |
| [21:58:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, to make your TODO list longer, make your patch look for a corresponding filename.xml file as well and import the metadata in that file into the DB. :) would also be nice to have PBB have the ability to scan a special set of SG's interactively looking for files not in the DB and display their info. thinking a recording and it's corresponding .xml file backed up to DVD. insert the DVD, go to PBB and it shows up rig |
| [21:58:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | ht where it used to be at and you can select and play. |
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| [21:59:10] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [21:59:24] | sphery: | does MythArchive make xml files for the "native export"? |
| [21:59:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | I thought that nuvexport had something like that, but could be way off base. |
| [21:59:52] | sphery: | might be nuvexport... mytharchive might just do sql |
| [22:00:06] | ** Captain_Murdoch doesn't have a clue about this, but doesn't know of any way to read it back in. ** | |
| [22:00:30] | gbee: | hey, while we're adding to todo lists, how about making RemoteFile (if it's not already) and httpcomms asynchronous, for some reason I've have RemoteFile in my TODO list, but I forget the specific reason and it might actually have been httpcomms I was thinking of at the time |
| [22:00:34] | sphery: | could easily take the mythxml format for a programinfo and use it |
| [22:01:06] | sphery: | didn't Chutt do something for the HTTP stuff recently? |
| [22:01:18] | sphery: | (meaning in the last year or so :) |
| [22:03:35] | aarons: | hey guys |
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| [22:06:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | once you (was going to type we) :) writes the ProgramInfo::ToXML and ::FromXML, we can let people set an env variable that uses XML for the protocol exchanging of ProgramInfo objects so they can see how much slower things would be than our simple []::[] separators. :) |
| [22:06:36] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:07:09] | sphery: | yeah, for the orphaned file list, I was just planning on sending an xml doc with basename, chanid, starttime and nothing else |
| [22:07:23] | sphery: | orphaned metadata, that is |
| [22:08:26] | sphery: | then let the user look up the programinfo with QUERY_RECORDING |
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| [22:11:32] | sphery: | gbee: I vote for 0.22 without live preview rather than 0.22 with old-live-preview code (i.e. don't waste your time on the old one) |
| [22:12:20] | mazda01: | anyone ever here of the hornettek mirage? http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch_v3.asp?scriteria=AA75208 it says it's supported by liunx kernel 2.4.1. has anyone used this with mythtv? |
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| [22:14:15] | kormoc: | mazda01, so it's a usb drive that plays media files off of itself directly |
| [22:15:25] | mazda01: | kormoc, that's what I read also. no video cards or computer required. what does it mean that you can schedule recordings though? it has an ethernet card as well. |
| [22:15:54] | juski: | oh right, it has a CPU, ethernet & a HDD.. perfect for a mythtv backend! |
| [22:16:21] | juski: | prolly doesn't have a clock inside though, so not much cop at scheduling ;) |
| [22:16:43] | kormoc: | it does, it has a composite capture device in it |
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| [22:16:54] | kormoc: | but it won't integrate into myth |
| [22:17:17] | mazda01: | juski, it even has hdmi support |
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| [22:17:57] | juski: | so? we've got a dev board at work with video input, video encode/decode, hdmi, ethernet. it's FA use for mythtv – and it even runs linux |
| [22:18:14] | mazda01: | kormoc, ok, that's what i was asking. seems pretty cool for only 109.99 after rebate |
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| [22:22:51] | mazda01: | should mytharchive work on remote frontends? |
| [22:23:23] | kormoc: | %s/on remote frontends// |
| [22:23:42] | mazda01: | i see in the logs it's trying to access a mysql datasbase on a host called core2duo when the host with the mysql server on it is dell. and yes, my setup does have dell in the general setup page in the remote frontend. |
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| [22:24:10] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like fallout from your "hostname ghange" debacle |
| [22:24:12] | iamlindoro: | er change |
| [22:24:21] | sphery: | mazda01: mytharchive needs files to be local |
| [22:24:29] | juski: | gah I need AC power |
| [22:24:32] | sphery: | but otherwise should work even with remote frontends |
| [22:24:50] | mazda01: | sphery, when you say local, doesn't that mean they can be mounted via nfs and that would make them local or am i misunderstanding? |
| [22:24:50] | iamlindoro: | juski, Can't just eat food like the rest of us? |
| [22:24:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro's probably right about the hostname change stuff causing issues |
| [22:24:59] | sphery: | nfs/cifs works |
| [22:25:17] | sphery: | but they /have/ to have the exact same absolute pathname as they do on the backends |
| [22:25:45] | mazda01: | sphery, i was getting traceback errors, here are my logs: http://pastebin.com/f43b9e8d9 and http://pastebin.com/f2b0b4c8f |
| [22:25:55] | mazda01: | sphery, they are the same exact path |
| [22:25:55] | juski: | iamlindoro: whoops. rumbled! |
| [22:26:10] | mazda01: | /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ and /media/500gb/recordings/ |
| [22:26:44] | mazda01: | sphery, is there a mysql command to see if I still have hostname core2duo in the mysql database somewhere |
| [22:26:49] | sphery: | mazda01: gotta fix the other problem first |
| [22:27:14] | mazda01: | what other problem? |
| [22:27:20] | sphery: | the hostname problem |
| [22:27:27] | sphery: | before mytharchive will work |
| [22:27:42] | sphery: | check every single mysql.txt and config.xml on your filesystems |
| [22:27:47] | sphery: | that's where I'd start |
| [22:27:47] | mazda01: | that's what I am asking about. is there a way to see if core2duo is still called for in the mysql database? i don't know mysql syntax. |
| [22:28:06] | mazda01: | ok |
| [22:28:12] | mazda01: | i logged into mysql mythconverg database as root |
| [22:28:22] | mazda01: | but don't know what syntax to run |
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| [22:29:15] | kormoc: | mazda01, there's no simple way to do what you want... |
| [22:29:33] | mazda01: | i tried show recorded WHERE hostname='core2duo'; but that didn't work |
| [22:29:56] | ** kormoc wonders where he even heard of 'show' as a mysql command ** | |
| [22:29:57] | sphery: | mazda01: start outside the DB first |
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| [22:30:08] | sphery: | mazda01: Obtaining MythTV settings from MySQL database for hostname core2duo |
| [22:30:13] | sphery: | says broken config.xml or mysql.txt |
| [22:30:20] | kormoc: | (or both) |
| [22:30:29] | mazda01: | kormoc, i got show from this command. show grants for '%'@192.168.0.2 |
| [22:31:05] | kormoc: | mazda01, different context there, that doesn't query a table, |
| [22:31:38] | mazda01: | kormoc, i am trying. i said I don't know mysql syntax |
| [22:31:51] | sphery: | mazda01: there's always the clean way to fix everything... backup DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), reinstall mythbuntu from scratch (wiping the entire filesystem--leaving only the recording filesystem(s)), then to a partial restore ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup ) |
| [22:31:54] | mazda01: | /etc/mythtv/config.xml calls out the correct settings so do all mysql.txt |
| [22:32:16] | kormoc: | mazda01, but there can be more then one of those |
| [22:32:48] | mazda01: | the one in /home/daniel/.mythtv/config.xml is the same as the one in /etc/mythtv/ |
| [22:32:59] | sphery: | and config.xml /has/ to live in $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml , so /etc/mythtv/config.xml is either an example, or /supposed/ to be linked from the HOME dirs, so check them all |
| [22:33:18] | mazda01: | as far as host, database name, dbpasswd, and dhusername |
| [22:33:23] | sphery: | but, in reality, if you have this much breakage, it's likely a /lot/ easier to start over from scratch |
| [22:34:12] | sphery: | (meaning backup, new install, partial restore) |
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| [22:37:16] | mazda01: | sphery, i have 130 recordings and all my recordings schedules. from what I see, all the config.xml files match up. mythtv user's config.xml=http://pastebin.com/f53c84b87 daniel users config.xml=http://pastebin.com/f3cd3cb9 and then roots=http://pastebin.com/f63b43d1a and then /etc/mythtv= http://pastebin.com/fffbf229 |
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| [22:37:53] | sphery: | mazda01: the whole purpose of a partial restore is to save the recordings and the recording schedules |
| [22:37:58] | mazda01: | all the mysql.txt match up also. |
| [22:38:09] | sphery: | but, basically, something's broken and I don't know what |
| [22:39:04] | sphery: | thus the whole, is it really faster to find it (something you seem to have been working on for days) or to backup, reinstall mythbuntu, do a partial restore, and be up and running in 3–4 hrs? |
| [22:41:15] | mazda01: | sphery, i attempted that. someone helped me change all hostnames from core2duo to dell and from celeron to dell, adn remove all settings. apparently it didn't work. |
| [22:41:54] | mazda01: | i just looked at a mysql mythconverg dump from today and when I cat the file and pipe grep core2duo. core2duo is everywhere. darn it!!!! |
| [22:42:13] | sphery: | mazda01: really, the best way is to start over |
| [22:43:02] | sphery: | if you do the backup/reinstall/partial restore on a host that's /not/ called core2duo, then you can use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend to fix the hostname properly |
| [22:43:15] | mazda01: | if I started over and did a partial restore, what settings am I going to lose? |
| [22:43:21] | sphery: | you almost definitely can /not/ do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend on your existing DB |
| [22:43:31] | sphery: | you'll lose all settings |
| [22:43:49] | sphery: | but that's good... You now know how to configure things properly, so you'll do it right the first time |
| [22:44:12] | sphery: | fighting to save your existing (broken) settings is a waste |
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| [22:44:37] | mazda01: | i basically want to save my recordings and my recordings schedules. |
| [22:45:10] | sphery: | so, when you do this, reinstall and pick a hostname that's /not/ core2duo (and, really, might not want to call it dell, either--or any other hostname you've used in your current DB). Then after the partial restore, run the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend for each old hostname |
| [22:45:19] | mazda01: | sphery, why would core2duo be all over the .sql text file anyway? what information keeps the hostname? |
| [22:45:37] | sphery: | mazda01: read the first sentence of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup |
| [22:45:45] | sphery: | mazda01: it's /all/ over the DB |
| [22:46:06] | sphery: | that's why there's a documented (and now, scripted) procedure for changing the hostname |
| [22:46:17] | sphery: | because it's /extremely/ difficult to do it properly |
| [22:46:27] | sphery: | anyway, I have stuff to do. |
| [22:46:32] | sphery: | I've given you my best advice. |
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| [22:46:40] | sphery: | If you choose to follow it, I think you'll be happy. |
| [22:46:44] | sphery: | Either way, though, good luck. |
| [22:48:41] | mazda01: | sphery, so can't I just run this command mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="core2duo" --new_hostname="somethingelse" |
| [22:49:01] | sphery: | mazda01: almost definitely not |
| [22:49:05] | mazda01: | and then run that same command for dell and celeron, and then run it again from somethingelse to dell again? |
| [22:49:26] | sphery: | mazda01: because you've got a mess of bad hostnames in there and you'll end up with duplicate entries causing the change hostname to fail |
| [22:49:39] | sphery: | you'll have to clean up your DB first--thus the partial restore |
| [22:50:26] | sphery: | you can even just backup your DB, then do a partial restore without reinstalling the OS (if you're sure your external config files, mysql.txt and config.xml are right) and then the change hostname stuff |
| [22:50:34] | sphery: | it can't hurt to try |
| [22:50:54] | sphery: | but if that doesn't work, somewhere on the filesystem is a broken external config file |
| [22:51:28] | mazda01: | sphery, yeah, i don't want to reinstall the os again. i'll try the partial restore and tehn try the hostname change. so after I do a partial restore, should I do what I said above? |
| [22:52:05] | sphery: | mazda01: yep |
| [22:52:12] | mazda01: | sphery, so you're saying that the database shouldn't contain hostnames for any frontends? |
| [22:52:46] | sphery: | mazda01: just make sure you do a /complete/ backup first with the script |
| [22:52:57] | sphery: | and the copy that backup file to another system, just in case |
| [22:53:01] | mazda01: | sphery, besides the frontend that's on the same machine as the masterback? or does the database not keep hostnames for frontends? |
| [22:53:29] | mazda01: | sphery, does the backup script use mysqldump? because I already have a .sql backup file from automysqlbackup |
| [22:53:34] | mazda01: | can I use that? |
| [22:54:23] | sphery: | mazda01: read all the instructions on that page starting with "Script-based Database Backup and Restore" through "Database Backup" then read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup |
| [22:54:33] | sphery: | mazda01: I highly recommend you creat another backup |
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| [22:54:47] | sphery: | it takes 30s |
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| [22:55:03] | sphery: | use the script because I have no clue what options were used to create your other one, so it may not be a proper backup |
| [22:55:04] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, will use the backup script linked on that page. thanks. hopefully all will be ok after I am finished with this. |
| [22:55:12] | sphery: | read everything first, though |
| [22:55:34] | mazda01: | sphery, automysqlbackup just uses mysqldump of mythconverg but i'll use the script anyway |
| [22:56:07] | sphery: | well, either way... take your chances that it's got what you want in the format the script needs |
| [22:56:12] | sphery: | or just do a 30s backup :) |
| [22:56:26] | sphery: | (actually, probably a 5s backup with 25s of compressing) |
| [22:57:30] | mazda01: | sphery, ok. thanks for the help. |
| [22:57:41] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [23:03:59] | kormoc: | John Hughes just died... |
| [23:05:02] | jduggan: | just saw that |
| [23:05:08] | jduggan: | his name is on alot of stuff |
| [23:05:11] | jduggan: | didnt realise |
| [23:05:31] | kormoc: | he defined the 80's in terms of movies |
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| [23:10:14] | gbee: | wouldn't have known him, though of course I'm familiar with his work |
| [23:10:39] | gbee: | 59 is young |
| [23:13:17] | mazda01: | sphery, i get this when running the mythconverg_backup.pl, mysqldump exited with status: 0 is that ok? there is a file located in the backup dir I told it to store it at so I assuming it worked |
| [23:14:53] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, exit code 0 means no errors |
| [23:15:01] | kormoc: | ¿ÇbÉqɹÉb ʇsnظ ʇı sı ɹo sıɥʇ pÉÇɹ noÊŽ uÉÉ” |
| [23:15:02] | sphery: | it tells you if there's an error |
| [23:15:12] | mazda01: | sphery, awesome, now to follow the partial restore right? |
| [23:15:22] | sphery: | right |
| [23:15:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, can read |
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| [23:15:32] | mazda01: | sphery, and I have to make sure no backend is running and no frontend is accessing the backend. |
| [23:15:43] | kormoc: | that's cool, didn't know freenode supported utf-8 |
| [23:15:44] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, though the j showed up in arabic |
| [23:15:49] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [23:15:58] | sphery: | mazda01: so drop db, run mc.sql, start mythtv-setup (on host that's not called dell or core2duo or ...), then partial restore |
| [23:16:53] | mazda01: | sphery, wait, I have to change my host dell to something else? i like hostname dell though, not to mention it's tied to my FQDN |
| [23:17:11] | sphery: | mazda01: if you use a host called dell or core2duo or any of the other old/broken hostnames to start mythtv-setup, you can't do a change_hostname with that hostname as an old_hostname |
| [23:17:12] | mazda01: | sphery, it's in all my hosts files on each machine and whatnot |
| [23:17:22] | sphery: | mazda01: but if you want it to be called dell, then you don't change dell to anything |
| [23:17:39] | sphery: | so if dell is the final hostname and it actually has the recordings, then start mythtv-setup on dell |
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| [23:18:04] | kormoc: | dell is a... awesome... yeah... hostname... |
| [23:18:13] | mazda01: | sphery, dell is the new master backend where I want to run the mythtv-setup again after I do the dump database, run mc.sql, and then do a partial restore |
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| [23:18:15] | sphery: | better than myth, probably :) |
| [23:18:45] | mazda01: | sphery, yeah, dell is the final master backend and that's where all the recordings are. they are shared out though via nfs |
| [23:18:58] | mazda01: | kormoc, i thought dell was pretty clever. HA HA HA |
| [23:19:01] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, so then it sounds like (not knowing how many hosts you have/have had) just starting mythtv-setup on dell to create the schema is fine |
| [23:19:11] | kormoc: | mazda01, until you get a second box from dell? |
| [23:19:20] | mazda01: | kormoc, HA HA HA |
| [23:19:25] | sphery: | kormoc: he'll call that one dale |
| [23:19:32] | sphery: | little valley humor for you :) |
| [23:19:35] | mazda01: | sphery, no, it'd be dell2 |
| [23:19:55] | kormoc: | mazda01, and then you get rid of dell, does dell2 make any sense then? |
| [23:20:07] | kormoc: | sphery, heh |
| [23:20:22] | sphery: | dell = small wooded valley, dale = open river valley |
| [23:20:41] | mazda01: | sphery, so seriously is keeping dell hostname on the master backend going to screw anything up? |
| [23:21:13] | kormoc: | Dale and Dell went up the hill to fetch a pail of recordings... |
| [23:21:20] | sphery: | kormoc: when Snowball died and Lisa got a new cat and called it Snowball 2, was that such a bad idea? |
| [23:21:34] | kormoc: | sphery, imho, yes :P |
| [23:21:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:22:08] | kormoc: | sphery, but then, mine are named, Christina, Jessica, Natasha, Janet, Rocky... |
| [23:22:23] | sphery: | she did, however, get smart for Snoball IV, which she called Coltrane, but then she went back to Snowball V |
| [23:22:43] | mazda01: | sphery, so seriously is keeping dell hostname on the master backend going to screw anything up? because I suppose I can change it, i would just have to edit all hosts files and run hostname somethingelse on dell right? |
| [23:22:44] | kormoc: | Female Hippies for the desktops/servers, Rocky Horror for the mobile devices |
| [23:22:52] | sphery: | mazda01: shouldn't |
| [23:23:06] | mazda01: | sphery, is that because I am only doing a partial restore? |
| [23:23:35] | sphery: | mazda01: mainly the partial restore is clearing out all the broken data so you can properly change the other hostnames to dell |
| [23:23:50] | sphery: | (assuming dell actually has access to the recordings files, all will work) |
| [23:24:11] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, was trying to figure out that one |
| [23:25:08] | mazda01: | sphery, all recording files are stored on dell and shared out to each of the hosts via nfs. |
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| [23:25:26] | mazda01: | all recordings have read access by user mythtv |
| [23:25:38] | sphery: | mazda01: perfect, this should fix everything |
| [23:25:47] | mazda01: | directories holding recordings are owned by mythtv |
| [23:25:47] | kormoc: | sphery, Janet is a awesome name imho for laptop cause of the song, "damn it janet" |
| [23:26:26] | jduggan: | i think of the academic network when i hear the name janet |
| [23:26:26] | jduggan: | :| |
| [23:29:14] | mazda01: | it doesn't matter that mythtv-status is running does it? |
| [23:29:25] | sphery: | mazda01: shut it down after it creates the initial database |
| [23:29:31] | sphery: | then do the partial restore |
| [23:29:35] | sphery: | then the hostname change |
| [23:29:44] | sphery: | then start mythtv-setup again and configure things |
| [23:30:11] | sphery: | exactly as described in the wiki page |
| [23:30:44] | sphery: | mazda01: and I highly recommend that you do not do the --with_plugin_data option |
| [23:32:47] | wagnerrp: | off topic... can i partition a disk by DDing the first so many bytes from one disk to another identical disk? |
| [23:33:02] | mazda01: | just trying to ensure I have the steps correct. here. 1. dump mythconverg 2. run mc.sql 3. start mythtv-setup on dell (do I have to do anything when in mythtv-setup, or jsut exit it right away?) 4. run mythconverg_restore.pl --partial_restore and is that it? then I can go into mythtv-setup and setup my capture cards and storage directories. I won't use the --with_plugin_data option. How come may I ask? |
| [23:33:14] | wagnerrp: | ive got some 60 disks to partition, and i really dont want to do it manually |
| [23:34:08] | sphery: | mazda01: 1. backup mythconverg, 1.5 DROP DATABASE mythconverg; |
| [23:34:16] | mazda01: | sphery, oh, I have already run the mythconverg_backup.pl script and I see the backup file, it says it's 12749986 when I do a ls -la on the directory it's in |
| [23:34:19] | sphery: | mazda01: don't do anything at all in mythtv-setup in step 3 |
| [23:34:36] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, just making sure you realize that "dump" is "drop" |
| [23:34:51] | sphery: | and that you're not saying "dump" to mean "backup" and forgetting a step |
| [23:35:01] | mazda01: | sphery, in step 3, that's what I was wondering. I should just open mythtv-setup and when it opens, just click escape and not run mythfilldatabase right? |
| [23:35:23] | mazda01: | sphery, yeah, sorry. I meant drop database |
| [23:35:26] | sphery: | mazda01: for step 4, you may have to specify --directory or --filename , depending on where/how you backed up |
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| [23:36:00] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, step 3, start mythtv-setup, then exit as soon as you get to the main screen with the options for setup |
| [23:36:16] | mazda01: | sphery, i backed it up in /var/lib/mythtv/mysql_backups and i created the suggested file backuprc in my users home directory. I followed the wiki verbatim |
| [23:36:26] | sphery: | mazda01: and after step 4 make sure you do the --change_hostname for old hostnames |
| [23:36:33] | sphery: | mazda01: need to do that /before/ configuring myth |
| [23:37:11] | sphery: | mazda01: then it should pick the most recent backup in that directory, but use --verbose for the mythconverg_restore.pl --partial_restore to verify that it got the one you want |
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| [23:38:21] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, so after step 4 and before going back into mythtv-setup, i need to perform the hostname change as defined here: mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="core2duo" --new_hostname="dell" and I need to run that for celeron also? I used to have celeron as a slave backend and core2duo as the old master backend. |
| [23:38:24] | sphery: | mazda01: so, step 5. run mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname , 6) configure with mythtv-setup and/or mythfrontend |
| [23:38:32] | mazda01: | sphery, i only have 1 backup file as I only did it once |
| [23:39:05] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, for the change hostname, do it for both --old_hostname="core2duo" and --old_hostname="celeron" |
| [23:39:23] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, here goes |
| [23:40:57] | mazda01: | sphery, the mc.sql file is located in /usr/share/mythtv/sql/ that's the one I should use right? i shouldn't need to download it from the internet? |
| [23:42:03] | mazda01: | sphery, what does the word database stand for in this command? mysql -uroot -p < database/mc.sql |
| [23:42:24] | meshe: | the directory that mc.sql is in |
| [23:42:27] | sphery: | right |
| [23:42:33] | sphery: | you'll have to find it on your system |
| [23:43:06] | sphery: | or get it from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=txt |
| [23:43:29] | mazda01: | sphery, got it, i already found it in /usr/share/mythtv/sql/ |
| [23:43:46] | sphery: | yeah, different distros put it in different places |
| [23:44:52] | mazda01: | ok, now I need to go down to server and run mythtv-setup and exit right away. i have been doing the other stuff from ssh |
| [23:45:44] | sphery: | can do mythtv-setup through ssh |
| [23:46:02] | sphery: | ssh -Y <hostname> |
| [23:46:25] | sphery: | then sudo -u mythtv -i |
| [23:47:04] | sphery: | actually, probably better to go down there |
| [23:47:16] | sphery: | I don't know what the wrapper would do |
| [23:47:28] | sphery: | I wonder, also, if you should be running mythtv-setup.real |
| [23:47:32] | sphery: | anyway |
| [23:47:40] | sphery: | I hope the wrapper doesn't try to outsmart you |
| [23:49:47] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, something weird, when I started mythtv-setup I saw mysql error about stuff. let me x11vnc in and paste some of the errors. |
| [23:50:32] | sphery: | it may show some errors in the logs even if all works fine |
| [23:50:48] | mazda01: | sphery, also, I am at the select preferred langauge prompt. I have to select english right. then exit? |
| [23:51:01] | sphery: | if running it a second time gives errors, then there's a problem (likely dut to running the wrapper script instead of mythtv-setup itself) |
| [23:51:16] | sphery: | yeah, select language/db stuff, then get to the main screen and exit |
| [23:51:55] | mazda01: | sphery, ok. are those errors logged anywhere that I can pastebin? i jsut wnated to show you them in case there is something else wrong now |
| [23:52:13] | sphery: | no idea... depends how you started it and what the script is doing |
| [23:52:19] | sphery: | just run it again and see if you see errors |
| [23:52:23] | sphery: | if not, then all is good |
| [23:52:25] | mazda01: | sphery, alt-tab doesn't work with x11vnc and terminal server client |
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| [23:55:09] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, after I picked the langauge, it took me to the page that has the things like General etc etc. should I go in and fill out ip addresses for local backend and master backend and click next? |
| [23:55:23] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:55:28] | mazda01: | sphery, sorry, i just don't want to screw this up again |
| [23:59:14] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, i don't know if this is bad but the backend automagically started after I got done escaping from mythtv-setup |
| [23:59:27] | mazda01: | it also informed me that I didn't define any storage groups |
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| [23:59:48] | mazda01: | sphery, now do I need to stop the backend and do the hostname change? |
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