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| [00:11:07] | paissad-hp: | hi everybody ! |
| [00:11:48] | paissad-hp: | how can is there somewhere into mythv website where are stored the list of tv cards which are supported ? |
| [00:11:57] | paissad-hp: | thanks in advance ! |
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| [00:13:47] | wagnerrp: | paissad-hp: http://linuxtv.org/ |
| [00:13:54] | adicarlo: | also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards |
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| [00:14:18] | wagnerrp: | but for a few exceptions, mythtv does not support tv tuners |
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| [00:14:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just supported DVB, V4L, and IVTV |
| [00:14:48] | paissad-hp: | wagnerrp, ok thanks |
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| [00:26:15] | kormoc: | paissad-hp, he basically means that we just support the standard API linux drivers provide, so if the linux driver exists and works, it's likely we'll work with it |
| [00:26:32] | paissad-hp: | ok |
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| [00:54:34] | GreyFoxx: | muahahah it lives! http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/itlives.png |
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| [00:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | I should have spent the 10 minutes getting that version of watch recordings working again before heh |
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| [00:56:28] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, how does it look with only one episode recorded? |
| [00:56:48] | kormoc: | (wondering if the bottom expands up to 'fill' the void?) |
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| [00:57:09] | GreyFoxx: | I believe all of the slots that are empty just show the background image |
| [00:57:14] | GreyFoxx: | lemme check |
| [00:57:30] | juski: | no expanding of areas can happen yet afaik |
| [00:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/itlives3.png |
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| [01:23:42] | sphery: | what in the world does it mean on a Blu-Ray/DVD ad when they say, "Includes Digital Copy"? |
| [01:24:46] | juski: | I'd presume that means a ready-ripped video you can slap onto a portable device |
| [01:24:55] | sphery: | Oh... |
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| [01:24:59] | sphery: | That actually makes sense. |
| [01:25:12] | juski: | to us ;-) |
| [01:25:20] | juski: | I'm guessing of course |
| [01:25:48] | sphery: | So, by putting a low-res copy on there for your portable devices, they prevent people from ripping the full-res version... |
| [01:25:54] | juski: | that must be starting to verge on sanity on the part of content producers... |
| [01:27:00] | sphery: | yeah... Heard it on a commercial when I was getting a popsicle and searched online and it seems that most all new Blu-Ray/DVD releases have it. |
| [01:27:51] | juski: | heheheh good guess :) |
| [01:28:48] | juski: | where 'portable device' isn't just any ole generic thing, duh |
| [01:32:03] | sphery: | they need a wikipedia article about it |
| [01:32:20] | sphery: | sounds like you have to enter some kind of license key to get it off the disc |
| [01:32:25] | sphery: | that's reported to their servers |
| [01:32:33] | sphery: | probably a windows only thing |
| [01:32:57] | juski: | looks that way |
| [01:33:00] | juski: | and DRM locked too |
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| [01:33:04] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [01:34:51] | juski: | jees when did my tweets pass the 2000 mark? lol |
| [01:35:09] | superdug: | DRM helps the consumer gain a level of trust with the content provider |
| [01:35:15] | superdug: | you should be thankful for DRM! |
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| [01:38:55] | juski: | "WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH." |
| [01:39:09] | superdug: | move along citizen |
| [01:39:53] | juski: | is it time for my Soma yet? |
| [01:40:17] | juski: | oops, I forgot. Any time is Soma time |
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| [01:45:55] | CoreDump|cf-18: | Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia |
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| [05:10:55] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, still thinking to get the grabber in today? |
| [05:11:18] | ** iamlindoro is pushy ** | |
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| [05:17:51] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: Yeah, it is still today! |
| [05:17:58] | iamlindoro: | indeed it is :) |
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| [05:18:05] | Anduin: | may not technically be today but I will not have slept |
| [05:18:19] | iamlindoro: | :( Well that was definitely not the aim :) |
| [05:18:50] | Anduin: | no, not losing sleep over it, just may get to it right before bed |
| [05:19:11] | iamlindoro: | ah, well that's okay then :) |
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| [05:28:31] | kormoc: | Dear World, Today I learned I hate non-professional networking equipment... |
| [05:31:51] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure lots of fortune 500 companies run on linksys switches ;) |
| [05:33:17] | kormoc: | Which scares me beyond belief |
| [05:34:04] | iamlindoro: | Heh, was being facetious |
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| [05:40:17] | mazda01: | learned i had to add an amplifier to his setup after he split the cable line into 3. now all is well, pvr-500 happy and pvr-350 is happy. also, learned that the stupid cable box won't stay intialized if only the pvr-350 is hooked via s-video input and that I also have to have a composite connection to tv. weird. stupid SA 3250-HD stb. |
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| [05:43:54] | mazda01: | can't wait to save money to get hd homerun and get rid of time warner cable BUT what would I do about non-over air stuff? xbmc Navi-X allows for adding site info for where ever videos are on the internet to allow for streaming straight through xbmc. awesome, but having some issues setting it up. now just need to find showtimes dexter online for free. there must be some sort of rss feed of video clips in black market scene just like n |
| [05:44:29] | kormoc_: | mazda01, and if you talk any more about said black market, you'll be banned from this channel |
| [05:44:47] | mazda01: | understood |
| [05:44:51] | mazda01: | sorry |
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| [06:02:07] | mazda01: | wow, the new terra theme reminds me so much of xbmc |
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| [06:03:12] | mazda01: | is mythmusic ever going to improve and store music in a database so you can view it via genre, artist, or albums etc etc like in xbmc? |
| [06:03:29] | mazda01: | or amarok or rhythmbox or any major media player? |
| [06:03:52] | iamlindoro: | We have absolutely no aspirations to be like XBMC, and the data is already all stored in the DB |
| [06:03:53] | mazda01: | that would complete mythtv as an all around media center for sure! |
| [06:04:33] | mazda01: | i sure wish I new how to code, i would definitely help. i just tried reading over the coding standards for mythtv and it's all greek to me as I am not a coder |
| [06:05:57] | mazda01: | i never said mythtv wanted to be like xbmc. i just said the UI's look similar with the sharp looking terra video browser. |
| [06:06:05] | BeowulfBC: | Got a simple question... I have a 1TB drive for my recoreded shows that is sitting at about 5GB free and with 2 tv tuner cards plus trans coding this can get chewed up and I loose a show because the drive fills up, where on earth can I set the auto delete to be a little more agressive? I lost tonights Hells Kitchen! |
| [06:06:45] | mazda01: | don't you use auto-expire? |
| [06:07:05] | mazda01: | there an option in somewhere to always delete old with auto-expire. |
| [06:07:30] | iamlindoro: | "<mazda01> is mythmusic ever going to improve and store music in a database so you can view it via genre, artist, or albums etc etc like in xbmc?" |
| [06:07:36] | iamlindoro: | uhh, that's *exactly* what you said |
| [06:07:41] | iamlindoro: | "like in xbmc" |
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| [06:07:59] | BeowulfBC: | Yeah I know but it is not aggresive enough like I said I lost an epside this evening because it was recording and space filled up |
| [06:08:01] | mazda01: | ok, sorry. you got me. i did say it then. i apologize. |
| [06:08:06] | BeowulfBC: | I usually sit at about 5GB free |
| [06:08:10] | BeowulfBC: | Which is not enough |
| [06:08:17] | BeowulfBC: | I know there is a setting jsut where is the big qeustion |
| [06:08:47] | mazda01: | BeowulfBC: well, you need to set your most important shows to not expire and the ones that you don';t really care about have the auto-expire set for them |
| [06:09:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, was it you who wanted the ability to write a file remotely using a myth:// url? |
| [06:09:24] | mazda01: | iamlindoro: ok, is mythmusic every going to allow a person to view their music by genre, or by artist, or by album etc etc. |
| [06:09:43] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, yeah, was actaully thinking to start work on it today :) |
| [06:10:03] | BeowulfBC: | Which I have |
| [06:10:11] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, But if you've got something up your sleeve... :) |
| [06:10:23] | mazda01: | iamlindoro: is the myth:// protocol working for videos? is there some symlink i need to create for the movies folder to show my mythvideos? |
| [06:11:42] | iamlindoro: | mazda01, The answer to that is found in the commits log. Yes, there is some support for streaming of videos now. No, it is not complete. As you are using trunk presumably you can go find your answers in -dev and -commits |
| [06:12:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I did most of it a while ago, but didn't have the client side done in cpp yet, only a test program in perl. I just hooked up the cpp writing code and a test "--copyfile src dst" routine in mythcommflag and copied a file from the local filesystem into a directory in the Default storage group via "mythcommflag --copyfile /some/local/file myth://Default@MYBACKENDIP/remotefile.name" |
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| [06:12:22] | mazda01: | iamlindoro: nope, still on .21-fixes. |
| [06:12:41] | iamlindoro: | mazda01, then no, your version of myth has no streaming video support |
| [06:13:42] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, Cool! Hopefully I can use that and get metadata download support for MythVideo SGs going |
| [06:14:42] | mazda01: | ok |
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| [06:22:02] | BeowulfBC: | Well damit it was not my auto expire that was broken one of my tuner cards seems to have decided to head south on vacation |
| [06:22:03] | BeowulfBC: | :S |
| [06:25:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, currently it just uses SG::FindNextDirMostFree() to determine what dir from the SG to put the file into, but that could probably be enhanced upon but might require some changes to the storage scheduling code.. |
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| [06:58:29] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: 6242? |
| [06:59:53] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: if so I'm seeing charset issues that I'll need to look at before add it |
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| [07:00:15] | Anduin: | (-D 73893) |
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| [07:17:42] | doodz: | Hey peoples. I'm trying to restore my Mythtv database. I'm running the 'mythconverg_restore.pl' and at the moment it is giving the error message "ERROR The database does not exist" – I have followed the wiki instructions to recreate the database with the following command "mysql -uroot -p< /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql" but I'm still getting the same error message that the database doesnt exist |
| [07:20:24] | doodz: | anyone have any idea on what I might be doing wrong ? |
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| [11:37:13] | peque: | Hey guys – Is there any way to set this setting up higher OSD Theme Dimensions W: 640 H: 480 – since the screen running 1280x720 |
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| [11:48:52] | gbee: | peque: it's not a setting, it's the dimensions of the theme, if you want a higher resolution theme then try metallurgy – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [11:50:04] | gbee: | peque: not that it matters unless you are using vdpau/opengl or watching HD, since with XV the OSD is scaled to the video size (SD that's 640x480) |
| [11:51:25] | peque: | gbee – thanks |
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| [12:07:36] | waxhead: | so where do you save these 'external' themes to? |
| [12:10:11] | gbee: | depends on the install path, but on most linux machines you can either put them in your home directory under .mythtv/themes/ or globally under /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ |
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| [12:10:29] | gbee: | /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes if installing from source |
| [12:10:38] | waxhead: | gbee: thanks.. just googled it.. shouldn't be so lazy... |
| [12:15:07] | gbee: | no idea where they are stored on Windows |
| [12:15:29] | gbee: | imagine OSX has to be pretty similar to linux |
| [12:15:42] | clever: | there are a few key files in every theme, search the drive for one of them |
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| [12:21:42] | tmkt: | any toronto people here? |
| [12:25:59] | waxhead: | cool! that's a nice theme!!! |
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| [12:30:59] | brad2: | tmkt: i'm mississauga |
| [12:32:40] | kslater: | I had a gig in Missigauga a week or so ago |
| [12:32:59] | kslater: | oh wait, that email was addressed to me accidentally |
| [12:33:12] | brad2: | kslater, where are you from? :) |
| [12:33:28] | kslater: | sorry, was a lame joke – I'm from Mars |
| [12:33:31] | kslater: | PA, US |
| [12:34:43] | kslater: | I did get an email about a gig in missigauga though, apparently it went off well. Occasionally it seems GMail doesn't distinguish between First.Last@gmail and FirstLast@gmail type addresses |
| [12:35:17] | brad2: | maybe it's the user who didn't distinguish? hahaha that's gotta be an easy typo to make |
| [12:35:58] | kslater: | was tempted to show up since it was at some resort and it was all paid for |
| [12:36:12] | kslater: | only I don't play any instrument well enough to perform. |
| [12:36:25] | kslater: | except maybe the Stereo Receiver |
| [12:36:47] | brad2: | not being able to play any instrument, makes it twice as amusing :) |
| [12:40:09] | tmkt: | brad2 you get city-tv? |
| [12:40:19] | tmkt: | using antenna? |
| [12:40:39] | brad2: | i'm afraid i don't use an antenna. Never thought it would work too well in my condo |
| [12:40:57] | brad2: | i use 2 hauppauge 250's, and a haup hdpvr |
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| [12:41:16] | tmkt: | ah...yeah...i turfed cable a couple months ago |
| [12:41:24] | tmkt: | ota is great in toronto |
| [12:41:33] | brad2: | oh really? Is your antenna indoors or outdoors? |
| [12:41:42] | tmkt: | just annoyed that my TV when it scans picks up City, but Myth won't |
| [12:41:48] | tmkt: | outdoors |
| [12:42:09] | brad2: | guess i'm stick with the hdpvr :) |
| [12:42:27] | brad2: | i'm afraid i'm not much help on teh antenna front |
| [12:42:28] | gbee: | tmkt: does it only broadcast at certain times of the day? |
| [12:42:32] | tmkt: | your condo not on the east/south side of the building? |
| [12:42:34] | tmkt: | gbee |
| [12:42:35] | tmkt: | nope |
| [12:42:36] | tmkt: | all day long |
| [12:43:26] | tmkt: | broadcast from the cn tower |
| [12:43:31] | tmkt: | where i get other channels from |
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| [12:44:56] | gbee: | try disabling the ignore encrypted channels option before scanning, might be marked as encrypted even if it isn't (broadcaster error) |
| [12:45:05] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [12:45:07] | tmkt: | did that also |
| [12:45:24] | gbee: | 0.21? |
| [12:45:29] | tmkt: | thing is...when i search for city-tv seems like lots of toronto people aren't having any issues with it |
| [12:45:33] | tmkt: | yeah..0.21-fixes |
| [12:46:34] | gbee: | scanner has been rewritten in trunk, it's not worth opening a ticket unless it's reproducible there, but I appreciate that isn't easy if you want to keep your stable install working |
| [12:46:44] | tmkt: | never mind |
| [12:46:50] | tmkt: | seems the signal is weak sometimes |
| [12:46:56] | tmkt: | just tried it on the tv again |
| [12:47:34] | tmkt: | and its choppy |
| [12:48:30] | tmkt: | hmm..not choppy now.. oh well i think i need to move my antenna up a little higher, and maybe get a better antenna |
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| [12:55:16] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: So I resurrected your watch recordings demo last night(http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/itlives.png) on my boxes but I had to add back in the size and time tags into pbb .... any reason I shouldn't commit the pbb changes ? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1519147 |
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| [13:05:22] | juski: | GreyFoxx: I had no idea those bits of info were missing. They'll be useful to some folk |
| [13:06:22] | juski: | so long as they remain optional I don't think anybody'd object :) |
| [13:07:25] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [13:07:28] | juski: | one little thing though, line 13.. what happens if the size is 0 ? |
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| [13:08:54] | GreyFoxx: | it will return 0 |
| [13:08:57] | clever: | it will probly just come up as 0.00 GB |
| [13:09:09] | GreyFoxx: | It's ok to divde 0 by something, but NOT ok to divide something by 0 :) |
| [13:09:17] | clever: | though you can proply optimize the devide once, rather then 3 times |
| [13:09:25] | juski: | duh yeah . heheh |
| [13:09:38] | clever: | so maybe / 1073741824.0 |
| [13:09:54] | clever: | not shure what gcc would do with this |
| [13:10:18] | juski: | might save a couple of cycles |
| [13:10:27] | juski: | or in your case, shave off 5 seconds |
| [13:10:47] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [13:10:52] | clever: | just remember to comment what you did so the code can still be read |
| [13:11:20] | GreyFoxx: | I am not worried about that few cycles . I'd rather the code was easily readable |
| [13:11:48] | GreyFoxx: | now if you were displaying dozzens at once.... that might be significant |
| [13:12:14] | GreyFoxx: | maybe I'll make the change anyway and put the bits in comment |
| [13:12:29] | juski: | now if you were talking about optimising database accesses on large lists.. now that would be what I'd call worthwhile ;-) |
| [13:12:44] | clever: | yeah i often see it doing querys the wrong way |
| [13:12:54] | juski: | so where are all your fixes? |
| [13:12:54] | clever: | it keeps selecting 1 column at a time, with the same where clause |
| [13:13:06] | clever: | so it winds up doing 20 seperate querys |
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| [13:13:27] | juski: | I'm still heading for saving users time :) |
| [13:13:37] | juski: | namely ME |
| [13:13:59] | clever: | another place that may save some time would be something like the settings table |
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| [13:14:46] | clever: | it seems to be reading it alot durring startup, maybe if i pull the whole thing at once and shove it in the existing cache, things may go faster... |
| [13:14:48] | juski: | GreyFoxx: made any improvements to playback start time recently? |
| [13:15:00] | clever: | feels like a simple fix, cache is allready in place |
| [13:15:18] | juski: | I've had my frontend disabling ATSC font scaling for ages now & the effect has worn off |
| [13:15:19] | GreyFoxx: | There is or was code for prepopulating that |
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| [13:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | though it might have been just in my personal tree |
| [13:15:34] | Shadow__X: | anyone see todays xkcd |
| [13:15:35] | clever: | GreyFoxx: what i just explained? |
| [13:15:40] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [13:15:48] | GreyFoxx: | prestuffing the settings cache |
| [13:15:56] | clever: | ah, then i'm not just comming up with useless ideas all day long! |
| [13:16:02] | GreyFoxx: | BUT just be aware the settings cache gets blown away a lot :) |
| [13:16:11] | GreyFoxx: | there are a lot of places that clear it |
| [13:16:39] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I haven't looked in a while, but gnome and others have done a lot of improvments lately |
| [13:16:55] | juski: | feeling much better today. gonna start making notes & start chipping on those menus |
| [13:17:00] | clever: | something else id like to put in, is logging the uptime of the process in the -v messages |
| [13:17:14] | clever: | is there any feature in Qt that may help with that? |
| [13:17:27] | GreyFoxx: | why would you want that ? |
| [13:17:34] | GreyFoxx: | There is a log entry when the app starts |
| [13:17:42] | juski: | clever: for some people that'd be a stupid long long |
| [13:18:01] | clever: | then i have to find the 1st log entry and subtrack the 2 |
| [13:18:24] | clever: | i can just leave it out of the patches and keep it private so it wont spam other logs |
| [13:18:24] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I've been playing with the dvd changer stuff . Got the setup menu and mythprotocol bits done, |
| [13:18:33] | juski: | GreyFoxx: wicked :) |
| [13:18:36] | GreyFoxx: | hoping to have the mythvideo bits and such done soon |
| [13:19:19] | GreyFoxx: | But frankly since we do not provide our own modified copy of libdvdcss it limits the options/platforms |
| [13:19:39] | GreyFoxx: | only reason vlc works on all platforms is becuase they distribute dvdcss :) |
| [13:19:42] | juski: | so you need libdvdcss on every frontend? |
| [13:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | Just like now if playing a local dvd you would need dvdcss |
| [13:20:06] | juski: | I wouldn't see that as a deal-breaker |
| [13:20:08] | GreyFoxx: | but I mean if the user is using a windows frontend |
| [13:20:39] | GreyFoxx: | I'm cheating and using network block devices right now |
| [13:20:42] | juski: | maybe the political situation will change over time.. dream on but nevermind |
| [13:20:46] | GreyFoxx: | and they work perfectly for *nix users |
| [13:21:07] | juski: | time to reboot into linux & see if I can dual monitors worky on my laptop |
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| [13:24:48] | clever: | this is odd |
| [13:25:05] | clever: | i'm using grep to filter out stuff for the settings table, and it seems there are 2 querys |
| [13:25:16] | clever: | 2009-08–05 10:24:46.515 3018689376 MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'FindOneRecordRecPriority'" |
| [13:25:26] | clever: | 2009-08–05 10:25:22.197 3017964384 MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'LCDServerPort' AND hostname IS NULL;" |
| [13:25:37] | clever: | with and without an extra space |
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| [13:27:01] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, ./ttvdb.py -D 73893 working well here, what charset issues are you seeing? RDV_Linux may have some insight |
| [13:27:47] | juski: | crap. 2nd monitor is detected, buntu thinks it's worky – nothing but a black screen though |
| [13:27:50] | juski: | hrmp |
| [13:28:08] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: I just saw iamlindoro's message. What is the problem? |
| [13:30:32] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: I just tried the "ttvdb.py -D 73893" and it works on my machine also. |
| [13:31:09] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: Please pastbin the problem out put. Thanks. |
| [13:32:32] | clever: | GreyFoxx: another posible place a (pre-filled)cache could be inserted would be the keybindings table |
| [13:33:09] | ** clever checks the code to see what it does ** | |
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| [13:36:44] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: I may understand what the issue is, when you use the -D (metadata) option within MythTV the format is e.g. "ttvdb.py -D 73893 2 1" the "2 1" identifies season and episode numbers. If you do not specify season and episode numbers ttvdb.py returns ALL episode metadata for ALL seasons. I think ttvdb.py is working as expected. |
| [13:37:25] | clever: | RDV_Linux: that reminds me, i made a patch to mythfilldatabase to scrape metadata for tv shows out of the programs table |
| [13:37:46] | clever: | so i have an 'allshows' table which contains that data for every episode that has ever aired on my cable |
| [13:37:46] | GreyFoxx: | how are you tying the listing in your programs table to a season/episode # ? |
| [13:38:33] | clever: | GreyFoxx: my idea was to give the user a list of episodes in the show, and let him stamp the metadata onto a episode with a generic description |
| [13:38:58] | clever: | so i watch it, see what its about, then pick the description from a list and let myth fill the rest in |
| [13:39:09] | clever: | then its properly labled for later |
| [13:39:12] | ** iamlindoro thinks he will stick with the grabber that actually does all that *for* him ** | |
| [13:39:13] | RDV_Linux: | GreyFoxx: Was that question for me or clever. As for ttvdb.py the returned metadata includes season and episode numbers. |
| [13:39:28] | clever: | iamlindoro: except that grabber sucks some days:P |
| [13:39:33] | GreyFoxx: | RDV_Linux: For clever |
| [13:39:37] | iamlindoro: | never sucks here |
| [13:40:20] | ** Shadow__X thinks he will go grabber route as well ** | |
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| [13:40:23] | RDV_Linux: | clever: 99% of the time when either the movie or tv grabbers suck is when the source web site is having issues. |
| [13:40:47] | clever: | RDV_Linux: yeah, but i expect it didnt suck atleast once in the past when the episode aired |
| [13:41:06] | clever: | so i should have part of the data in the new table, ready for unfinished code to use |
| [13:41:53] | RDV_Linux: | clever: The beauty of this environment is you can roll-your-own, so be my guest. |
| [13:42:16] | clever: | here is am example, 3 episodes of NCIS and only 1 has a subtitle, aired at 8pm, 9pm, 11pm, on different channels |
| [13:42:23] | clever: | RDV_Linux: is yours for mythvideo or mythtv itself? |
| [13:42:48] | iamlindoro: | Shouldn't you KNOW that? |
| [13:42:53] | iamlindoro: | since you said it "sucks some days" |
| [13:42:56] | RDV_Linux: | As far as I know ttvdb.py is only used within MythVideo |
| [13:43:21] | clever: | iamlindoro: it seems we are talking about different parts of myth, my partial patch was for recordings |
| [13:43:30] | clever: | while RDV_Linux's was for mythvideo |
| [13:43:45] | iamlindoro: | Typical clever, talking about something that has nothing at all to do with the conversation at hand |
| [13:44:03] | clever: | it was related, because i'm storing the metadata for tv shows |
| [13:44:26] | iamlindoro: | The fact that you find it related only reinforces your problem |
| [13:44:29] | iamlindoro: | nice work |
| [13:44:34] | clever: | typical iamlindoro, attempting to insult me all the time |
| [13:44:44] | iamlindoro: | oh I'm not attempting |
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| [13:44:52] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod | |
| [13:44:56] | iamlindoro: | calling attention to your idiocy is not a hard job |
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| [13:47:32] | clever: | iamlindoro: explain how a metadata fetching script(ttvdb.py) isnt related to a metadata scrapping patch? |
| [13:47:47] | clever: | they both provide metadata for tv shows that can be used later on |
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| [13:48:52] | juski: | arghhh stinking ubuntu/intel |
| [13:49:01] | iamlindoro: | clever, The fact that you were comparing it to something about which you have *no idea* of the operation, and saying that it "sucks some days" without even knowing what part of myth it applies to-- As always, you'd rather tell people about how smart you think you are even though you don't even have a loose understanding of what anyone is talking about |
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| [13:49:05] | iamlindoro: | clever, now STFU |
| [13:49:15] | juski: | can't have a virtual desktop over 2048x2048 |
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| [13:49:59] | juski: | I *want* 2960x1060 |
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| [13:50:36] | juski: | ach to hell with it. I coped with a single monitor before |
| [13:51:29] | iamlindoro: | Linux (tm) – Forcing people to cope with less since 1993. |
| [13:52:22] | juski: | spent a while trying to make it do my bidding, but I have better things to do :) |
| [13:52:30] | clever: | iamlindoro: i know that his script is for fetching metadata for mythvideo files and displaying it on the screen, and i was refering to how things like schedulesdirect dont allways have that full info |
| [13:52:44] | clever: | juski: getting dual monitors working on my nvidia(tv+crt) was trivialy easy |
| [13:52:52] | juski: | SHUT UP |
| [13:52:57] | clever: | the same thing on my ati laptop, painfully imposible:P |
| [13:52:57] | iamlindoro: | clever, NOW you know-- you obviously didn't then, since you ran your mouth and then had to ask what it was for |
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| [13:53:26] | clever: | iamlindoro: did you notice how mythvideo was the 1st choice?, i was already leaning in that direction |
| [13:53:27] | juski: | yes it's easy to get things working when manufacturers provide binary blobs designed to make it easy |
| [13:53:40] | clever: | juski: what card? |
| [13:53:49] | juski: | SHUT UP |
| [13:54:13] | clever: | dont know of any cards made by 'shut up inc.' :P |
| [13:54:32] | juski: | clever: I'm not a fscking NOOB FFS. I Know what I'm doing, and I don't need the likes of YOU glad-handing me |
| [13:54:55] | juski: | 2048x2048 is a limitation of the shitty hardware |
| [13:55:03] | clever: | nice |
| [13:55:21] | juski: | I can prolly get around it by doing away with compositing on the desktop.. which I didn't think I was even using but hey |
| [13:55:25] | j-rod: | gbee: so I don't know exactly what it was that made it work, but the front panel display is working on my remote frontend now |
| [13:55:49] | iamlindoro: | Yay, boss is out today and tomorrow |
| [13:55:49] | j-rod: | ah yes, the fun of intel graphics... |
| [13:56:04] | iamlindoro: | Not that I don't like him, just more relaxing |
| [13:56:08] | juski: | god, staying at home is making me cranky |
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| [13:58:25] | juski: | jees, I CAN have larger than 2048x2048 but no DRI |
| [13:58:33] | juski: | how crap is that? |
| [13:58:33] | ** j-rod suspects it was running a slave backend on the frontend that made the display finally work... ** | |
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| [13:59:11] | j-rod: | juski: I can't remember, is it truly a hardware limitation, or is it a driver limitation? |
| [13:59:12] | juski: | course I could have my monitors arranged vertically to compensate.. ugh |
| [13:59:39] | juski: | I dunno if it's driver limited or hardware limited. Either way it sucks big time |
| [14:00:02] | j-rod: | indeed |
| [14:00:27] | j-rod: | I know its a known issue among our folks that work on the driver |
| [14:00:46] | j-rod: | just not sure if anyone is (or even can) do anything about it |
| [14:00:47] | gbee: | guess we've all seen xkcd today |
| [14:00:47] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, did you mention something the other day about looking at IR on the HD-PVR? |
| [14:01:02] | gbee: | http://xkcd.com/ |
| [14:01:07] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [14:01:22] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: I did, but I've not gotten around to it yet. I (think I) applied the necessary patches to the hdpvr driver, but that's as far as I got |
| [14:01:41] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Ah, just curious-- don't need it here but it would be nice to stop hearing about it ;) |
| [14:01:54] | clever: | gbee: i find the full screen java just as poor |
| [14:01:58] | clever: | some days, even worse |
| [14:01:59] | j-rod: | haha, xkcd, nice... |
| [14:02:04] | wagnerrp: | juski: i dont know about any limit at 2048x2048, but i do know until recently, graphics cards were limited to rending 4096x4096 |
| [14:02:07] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, From others, that is, don't mean from you |
| [14:02:30] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: I *might* actually need/want it myself soon, so it has an improved chance of working... |
| [14:02:37] | j-rod: | but I only want it for xmit |
| [14:02:38] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [14:02:41] | juski: | wagnerrp: intel's own driver docs |
| [14:02:51] | j-rod: | (and yeah, fully understood what you meant. :) |
| [14:03:01] | juski: | maybe I'll be ok, I can never remember what chipset I have on this piece |
| [14:03:45] | wagnerrp: | windows has smooth full-screen flash video? |
| [14:03:57] | wagnerrp: | thats news to me |
| [14:04:08] | wagnerrp: | it chunks hard when i try to do that at work |
| [14:04:33] | juski: | btw is it just me who has problems getting flash video to sync to vblank? |
| [14:04:46] | juski: | see horrendous tearing when I try with my laptop |
| [14:04:51] | juski: | windows and linux |
| [14:05:56] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: since replacing my dell studio hybrid w/an ion (all of 2 days ago), I no longer have firewire next to my firewire cable box... the ion has an imon device in it, and the hdpvr is completely hidden from IR signals, but could be useful for, you know, controlling my cable box... |
| [14:06:28] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, makes sense |
| [14:07:22] | j-rod: | of course, I might decide to not use the imon for receive if I find it to suck arse vs. an mceusb receiver... |
| [14:07:42] | j-rod: | I have yet to reconfig my harmony remote |
| [14:07:52] | j-rod: | but so far, the imon remote seems to work well enough at range |
| [14:08:43] | ** juski wonders if harmony remotes can be overclocked ** | |
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| [14:10:45] | j-rod: | juski: as long as you use liquid cooling |
| [14:10:53] | juski: | heh |
| [14:11:12] | j-rod: | the stock heatsink just can't keep up without it |
| [14:13:00] | juski: | if I succeed in making these menu code changes & they get committed I'll be able to go back to my OFA-6 |
| [14:13:19] | juski: | what joy that will be :) |
| [14:13:58] | juski: | it's one button short, leaving me with two menu buttons, mapped to I & M respectively |
| [14:14:21] | juski: | no way to get program details up without the OSD menu. blech |
| [14:15:22] | juski: | wonder what everybody else would do with the freed up button |
| [14:15:38] | juski: | prolly bind it to something useful, knowing my luck |
| [14:20:16] | clever: | i have trouble finding keys that arent bound |
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| [14:27:20] | Varanger: | hello |
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| [14:47:32] | new2linx: | im getting an error when trying to connect to a remote backend using .21-fixes in mythbuntu jaunty. the remote frontend log shows: MythSocket(a3350ce0:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket |
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| [14:54:10] | hendrix04: | Will a Intel Pentium E2200 Allendale 2.2GHz dual core paired with a Radeon HD 4350 (512mb) push HD from a happauge HD-PVR as a front end? |
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| [14:56:49] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [14:57:04] | iamlindoro: | You'll need a *lot* more CPU, or a VDPAU capable GPU |
| [14:58:55] | new2linx: | what frontend profile woud be best for playing back either a pvr-500 or pvr-350 when the cpu is only a p4 2.0 ghz with only 256 of ram. |
| [14:59:15] | iamlindoro: | slim |
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| [15:24:08] | new2linx: | i am seeing these errors in my mythfrontend.log when viewing mythtv from a remote frontend. can anyone help please? http://pastebin.com/f6bb626e0 |
| [15:25:16] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I wondered about his complaint about the wording too, it seems fine to me |
| [15:27:16] | new2linx: | the remote frontend has a e4300 c2d proccessor with a nvidia 6200. the remote backend (master) has a p4 2.0ghz with only 256 ram |
| [15:27:27] | new2linx: | i meant remote backend NOT remote frontend |
| [15:28:49] | new2linx: | i only have 1 master backend now. i combined a slave and master backend into one machine. so now the master has a pvr-500 and a pvr-350 in it. the pvr-500 is just hooked up to coax receiving Time Warner cable, adn the pvr-350 has s-video in from a SA 3250-HD changing channels with an irblaster |
| [15:29:38] | new2linx: | here's the frontend log from the master backend/frontend which has the GeForce MX 440. http://pastebin.com/f54a72369 |
| [15:30:08] | hendrix04: | new2linx what is the point of an HD box that isnt outputting hd? |
| [15:30:24] | new2linx: | what is the socket error i am seeing from both the remote frontend as well as the local frontend? |
| [15:30:52] | new2linx: | hendrix04, i tried firewire from the box at one time but didn't get very far. so currently just using SD output. |
| [15:31:28] | new2linx: | hendrix04, maybe i'll try the firewire again someday but for now just trying to get my current setup working good. |
| [15:39:46] | new2linx: | whats weird is that if I let a recording record, i can watch it just fine, but when I try to watch live tv i have problems with the pvr-350 card. can anyone help. what do the mythsocket errors mean? |
| [15:39:54] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: Yeah, all results seemed like a good test. MythVideo expects all returned results to be in utf-8, any objections to me hardcoding that in ttvdb.py (as is done in other grabbers)? |
| [15:40:45] | gbee: | iamlindoro: only thing I could come up with is that we don't encourage discussion of feature requests to the -dev list but that text might lead people to think that it's the right place for that |
| [15:43:37] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: ttvdb.py contains the "class OutStreamEncoder(object):" starting line 338 which forces all stdio, stderr and print output to unicode already. Please paste bin an example of the problem. thanks |
| [15:44:40] | RDV_Linux: | Auduin: s/stdio/stdout/ |
| [15:45:26] | new2linx: | mythvideo video manager is showing a large dialog box when I enter it. it says "Enter video #", how can I get rid of this? |
| [15:45:49] | gbee: | new2linx: broken theme or old version of mythtv |
| [15:46:13] | Anduin: | It doesn't do that, it forces it to be whatever getfilesystemencoding returns, in my case that is ANSI_X3.4–1968. |
| [15:46:16] | new2linx: | i am using mythtv 0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8 and mythvideo version 0.21.0+fixes19556–0ubuntu8 |
| [15:46:22] | new2linx: | i am using the gant theme |
| [15:47:17] | new2linx: | gbee, i am using waht's in the mythbuntu repos which is the lastest released version of mythtv to the best of my knowledge. i know i am not using truck but we can't all know how to run svn and trunk. |
| [15:48:18] | gbee: | new2linx: it's not, it's several months behind |
| [15:48:47] | gbee: | that said, iirc the bug had been fixed by 19961 |
| [15:48:59] | gbee: | I'll defer to Anduin |
| [15:49:01] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: You need to enable Mythbuntu's *weekly* repository, which can be trunk or fixes-- you want the fixes one |
| [15:49:41] | iamlindoro: | instructions on their web site |
| [15:49:50] | Anduin: | Yeah, the dialog box means you theme is out of date |
| [15:49:54] | Anduin: | er your |
| [15:50:12] | sid3windr: | using truck! |
| [15:50:13] | Anduin: | It should mean it is a pre .21 theme |
| [15:50:39] | hendrix04: | is a mythbuntu good or does it tend to get out of date? |
| [15:50:49] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu is very up to date-- weekly builds |
| [15:50:57] | iamlindoro: | and yes, it's quite good |
| [15:51:33] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, oh, ok. thanks so much! gbee, i found that I need to edit a video-ui.xml file but i don't see it in the G.A.N.T theme folder. weird |
| [15:51:52] | Anduin: | not really weird |
| [15:51:55] | gbee: | new2linx: because it inherits from default/video-ui.xml |
| [15:52:16] | gbee: | however if default/video-ui.xml is broken then something is wrong with the ubuntu packages |
| [15:52:19] | new2linx: | gbee, ok, thank you. i guess I jsut enable the mythbuntu weekly build repo and see what happens. |
| [15:53:24] | iamlindoro: | I should note that I saw the same issue using mythbuntu weekly packages the other day on an install for someone else |
| [15:53:33] | iamlindoro: | So I think there may actually be an ubuntu package bug |
| [15:53:48] | gbee: | the bug you are seeing was fixed before the release of 0.21 (as Anduin noted), so somehow you've got a copy of video-ui.xml that is from the wrong version |
| [15:53:50] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin" Was the comment "... in my case that is ANSI_X3.4–1968." directed at me? If it as then go ahead and force the out put to utf8. In fact If I see how you did that I will change my other scripts. |
| [15:54:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I've seen two or three people with the same issue in the last week |
| [15:54:47] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, saw it doing some consulting last week but was eager to be done for the day so I didn't pursue it very far |
| [15:54:53] | RDV_Linux: | s/Anduin"/Anduin:" |
| [15:55:19] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: yes, think that was to you |
| [15:55:20] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: I just changed lines 358/359 to manually pass 'utf8' when constructing OutputStreamEncoder |
| [15:55:33] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, when doing the weekly builds, it asking me if I want to enable the testing PPA? |
| [15:55:55] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i am activating the fixes weekly builds not -trunk. |
| [15:56:01] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: correct |
| [15:56:05] | iamlindoro: | definitely not trunk :) |
| [15:56:18] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: Thanks. Do you want me to submit an update to ttvdb.py? |
| [15:56:18] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, ok, i am just curious if I need to enable the testing ppa? |
| [15:56:32] | new2linx: | it says activate not enable |
| [15:56:38] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: I don't think you need to, no |
| [15:56:48] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, ok, thank you so much! |
| [15:56:50] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:57:15] | gbee: | new2linx: is 0.21 the first version of mythtv you've used? |
| [15:57:19] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: As above, I think you will probably still see it after the update, as I think there may be a broken ubuntu theme package-- but at least you will have eliminated one possible cause |
| [15:57:41] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: No, I've made the change locally, just wanted to check with you. I'm going to remove trailing spaces but that will probably be the extent of my changes at this point. |
| [15:58:22] | RDV_Linux: | Great and thanks. My script Jamu will also need that change. |
| [16:00:53] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: If you get a chance please pastebin the changes or the whole updated ttvdb.py script, which every is most convenient for you. |
| [16:01:20] | iamlindoro: | Can just check the commit message :) |
| [16:01:24] | iamlindoro: | (when committed) |
| [16:01:52] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Thanks, (rookie time again) |
| [16:02:00] | iamlindoro: | naww |
| [16:03:21] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i enabled the mythbuntu -fixes repo and went to synaptic and clicked mark all upgrades but it didn't mark anything? |
| [16:03:36] | iamlindoro: | I don't know anything about synaptic |
| [16:03:43] | iamlindoro: | sudo apt-get update && |
| [16:03:46] | iamlindoro: | er |
| [16:03:52] | iamlindoro: | sudo apt-get update && sudo-apt-get upgrade |
| [16:03:57] | iamlindoro: | bah |
| [16:04:09] | iamlindoro: | udo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| [16:04:14] | iamlindoro: | god damn it |
| [16:04:19] | iamlindoro: | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| [16:04:22] | iamlindoro: | there we go |
| [16:04:27] | hendrix04: | wow |
| [16:04:28] | hendrix04: | epic fail |
| [16:04:35] | clever: | worse then me :P |
| [16:05:00] | hendrix04: | just one of those days huh? |
| [16:05:31] | gbee: | Anduin: the enterimdb fix was never applied to the default/video-ui.xml, just default-wide |
| [16:06:20] | gbee: | missing the <context> line |
| [16:06:52] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, does Ign http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org jaunty/main Packages mean anything. is it saying that it's ignoring it because it has ign in the begnining. |
| [16:07:44] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: change ign to deb |
| [16:09:34] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, when I do apt-get update, it returns either Hit or Ign. for whatever reason running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade works. so nevermind about the ign thing. it's updating now. |
| [16:12:07] | hendrix04: | new2linx: after you setup a new repository, you have to update apt in order for apt-get to work with the new repository |
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| [16:21:44] | Anduin: | gbee: ? |
| [16:22:33] | Anduin: | ah, nm, you just committed the fix |
| [16:24:28] | gbee: | think that's the fix, it's so long ago I'm not sure I remember the issue entirely, but the missing context would explain it |
| [16:27:21] | Anduin: | Yeah, I didn't think I used them in .21 but it could be |
| [16:37:06] | juski: | hopefully we'll see an end of needing default ui files – when themes end up being more than just some customised screens :) |
| [16:37:30] | juski: | gah I forgot about mytharchive. not going near that again |
| [16:38:02] | sphery: | ahhh... So Jonathan Martens is the first person in the history of MythTV to run MySQL in strict mode. Explains why stuff that has been in Myth for years, unchanged, fails for him. |
| [16:38:19] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:40:28] | gbee: | got to say that I'm surprised, I don't remember explicitly putting mysql into strict mode in the past, but I've seen my fair share of warnings from mysql about invalid column definitions – when did strict mode appear or when did distros start shipping with it disabled? |
| [16:41:03] | sphery: | his distro is MS Windows |
| [16:41:17] | sphery: | don't know if it's the windows build script that does it or MySQL defaults. |
| [16:41:41] | gbee: | yeah, but I've been working on linux for years *shrug* |
| [16:42:05] | gbee: | at some point at least Mandriva must have been enabling it by default |
| [16:42:14] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Did you see my message earlier about adding back in the size/time theme tags to the pbb screen? |
| [16:42:33] | GreyFoxx: | the ones used in your demo watchrec theme from last xmas ? |
| [16:42:40] | gbee: | wonder why you'd disable strict mode, seems like a silly thing to do really |
| [16:42:50] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: no, missed that |
| [16:43:28] | gbee: | you want to use the demo theme, or just the size/time in another theme? |
| [16:43:49] | GreyFoxx: | "gbee: So I resurrected your watch recordings demo last night(http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/itlives.png) on my boxes but I had to add back in the size and time tags into pbb .... any reason I shouldn't commit the pbb changes ? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1519147" |
| [16:44:04] | GreyFoxx: | Both. I can;'t think of any reason not to put them in there for other themes |
| [16:44:11] | GreyFoxx: | it just happens to make the demo theme work for me :) |
| [16:44:38] | sphery: | gbee: the default value of sql_mode is always empty (no modes set/not "strict" in any way), but if you explicitly use --sql_mode on the command line or put sql_mode="<something>" in my.cnf, it enables strict mode. I don't think any (sane) distro would enable strict mode by default. |
| [16:45:29] | sphery: | I think it's disabled by default for the same reason HTML browsers accept garbage by default--because there's a lot of garbage out there. |
| [16:46:03] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: space mainly, with the new generation of themes I'm not encouraging them to display the same information as each other |
| [16:46:38] | GreyFoxx: | I assume if I added them it would just be an optional element they can choose to define or not |
| [16:49:37] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: well if you've got the demo theme and those bits no longer work, then it's probably because I changed the names, "filesize_str" should give you the filesize formatted with MB/GB, "starttime" the time, "startdate" the date |
| [16:49:56] | gbee: | ProgramInfo::ToMap() will give you the full list of possible options/formatting |
| [16:50:09] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: ^^ they are already there and optional |
| [16:50:18] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh ok, even better then! |
| [16:50:29] | gbee: | along with 40 other possible pieces of information and formats of the info |
| [16:51:23] | GreyFoxx: | I "fixed" them in my local pbb but I'll update recording-ui.xml and keep a backup of it :) My wife complained a lot when we went back to the old screen until I finally looked at it yesterday :) |
| [16:52:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Is there a preserveaspect equivalent in the old theme format? |
| [16:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet changing those 2 worked |
| [16:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | thx |
| [16:53:57] | gbee: | we basically dump programinfo into a map and can reference any of the information about the programme that you want in the theme, storagegroup, playgroup, recording group, category, seriesid, programid, schedule info etc |
| [16:54:16] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I really can't remember, I'd have to check |
| [16:54:30] | iamlindoro: | no worries |
| [16:57:17] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Nice |
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| [16:57:38] | GreyFoxx: | Hopefully post 0.22 we'll see a lot of interesting themes coming out of all of these changes |
| [16:57:39] | gbee: | iamlindoro: have to remember that it's been nearly two years since I had to look at the old stuff :) |
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| [16:58:01] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I understand, it's definitely not critical, don't go out of your way |
| [16:59:01] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I expect we'll probably see some tailored themes and I'd encourage that, people want different things from certain screens and information has more relevance in some countries |
| [17:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | I wonder how hard it would be to install some of the Asian/Arab/Hebrew fonts and such and see how it all looks |
| [17:00:30] | gbee: | e.g. in the US where it's provided many people would probably love to see episode info (Episode 1 of 20) but everywhere else that would look like (Episode ? of ?), but in Switzerland I might like to display the audio language instead |
| [17:01:08] | kormoc: | Go Ed W to start up the UK Freeview lineup change thread again after weeks of it being dead... |
| [17:01:18] | gbee: | simply right aligning text might not go far enough for RTL languages, so we might see dedicated RTL themes |
| [17:01:19] | laga_: | kormoc: yeah, it's awesome |
| [17:02:17] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Yeah, gonna bring it back to life :) |
| [17:02:30] | kormoc: | sphery, uuh... Craig Fry's reply is... uhh... I'm scared... |
| [17:02:46] | kormoc: | Record.recordid is not autoincrement for him |
| [17:03:32] | gbee: | iamlindoro: seems not |
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| [17:03:53] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Ah well, thank you very much for looking |
| [17:04:09] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, when using the mythbuntu weekly build repo, i get this error after it's done downloading all the myth packages: Preconfiguring packages ...Failed to connect to database (incorrect admin password) |
| [17:04:36] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: For help with ubuntu packages, you really ought to refer to #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:04:43] | laga_: | new2linx: ignore that error |
| [17:04:45] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, true, will do. |
| [17:04:46] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: But if the frontend works then it's nothing to worry about |
| [17:04:53] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, ok |
| [17:04:56] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, thanks |
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| [17:15:11] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm, someone adding external links to a bunch of wiki articles to reviews that he wrote plastered with ads, buy links, and dig/slashdot/etc. stuff |
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| [17:15:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ryanmc |
| [17:15:56] | iamlindoro: | Looks like that's *all* he does |
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| [17:16:14] | laga_: | scum |
| [17:16:27] | wagnerrp: | seems now beirdo has ads too |
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| [17:16:52] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [17:17:21] | wagnerrp: | google ad at the bottom of the irc history page |
| [17:17:29] | Beirdo: | it's been there for years |
| [17:17:38] | Beirdo: | good of you to notice :) |
| [17:17:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, now go lick! |
| [17:18:16] | wagnerrp: | oh? looks like this is the first time ive use that page with no-script disabled |
| [17:18:40] | Beirdo: | damn is it a pain to get mysql to compile under cygwin and actually work (don't ask!) |
| [17:18:49] | laga_: | Beirdo: employed now? |
| [17:18:58] | Beirdo: | have been just over a year |
| [17:19:02] | laga_: | Beirdo: great :) |
| [17:19:10] | Beirdo: | and looking for better employment closer to home |
| [17:19:17] | Beirdo: | the 112mile round trip is killing me |
| [17:19:33] | Beirdo: | takes 1.25–1.5h each way |
| [17:19:50] | Beirdo: | could be a lot worse, but still |
| [17:20:48] | laga_: | no remote work? |
| [17:21:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you getting the MSI MediaLive ones as well? |
| [17:21:05] | iamlindoro: | There we go, no more wiki shilling |
| [17:21:12] | Beirdo: | allowed to :( |
| [17:21:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, round trip.... i saw 1.25–1.5h for 112 miles, and was confused |
| [17:21:22] | Beirdo: | rarely allowed to rather |
| [17:21:23] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Yeah, got that one |
| [17:21:37] | kormoc: | slick |
| [17:21:52] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, defender of the wiki |
| [17:22:02] | iamlindoro: | heh, it would be one thing if he had contributed anything useful |
| [17:22:14] | iamlindoro: | but when all your contribs are trying to make money, that's irksome |
| [17:22:29] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [17:22:39] | kormoc: | they should all be making *me* money ;) |
| [17:23:20] | iamlindoro: | Sell geolocation to the rich kids at MythTV ;) |
| [17:23:33] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: then put your homepage under his user page... :P |
| [17:23:34] | kormoc: | Selling *free* geolocation ;) |
| [17:23:47] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [17:23:55] | Beirdo: | why can't today be over already? |
| [17:24:13] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [17:24:13] | laga_: | Beirdo: it is. for me. |
| [17:24:21] | new2linx: | i am surpirsed themoviedb.org doesn't have the movie 88 minutes |
| [17:24:26] | iamlindoro: | My boss is out for the week, I'm going to leave and go swimming at 11 :) |
| [17:24:27] | Beirdo: | !trout laga_ European |
| [17:24:27] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga_ with a European trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [17:24:28] | kormoc: | laga_, nah, we just know you crazy brits just sleep during the day and work at night |
| [17:24:39] | kormoc: | or rather |
| [17:24:43] | kormoc: | crazy Germans |
| [17:24:45] | laga_: | kormoc: meh. i'm GMT+2, not GMT+1 |
| [17:24:46] | iamlindoro: | krauts, dear |
| [17:24:49] | iamlindoro: | he's a kreaut |
| [17:24:49] | laga_: | heh, saved yourself |
| [17:24:51] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [17:25:11] | kormoc: | Today, I've been wrong on practically everything I could be |
| [17:25:15] | wagnerrp: | new2linx: make sure to check other spellings first |
| [17:25:28] | wagnerrp: | and possibly use a reverse lookup from the IMDB code |
| [17:25:45] | tmkt: | Beirdo – for my new job search...i keep my commute distance <15km |
| [17:25:51] | tmkt: | like being able to bike to work |
| [17:25:52] | wagnerrp: | ive gound the search feature on themoviedb to a bit lacking |
| [17:25:56] | iamlindoro: | TMDB will take a couple of years to get really solid, IMO, but it's of to a darn good start |
| [17:26:03] | iamlindoro: | er off to |
| [17:26:18] | Beirdo: | tmkt: not many jobs in that radius for me... and biking on the roads here is suicidal |
| [17:26:25] | wagnerrp: | well what... IMDB is like 20 years old isnt it? |
| [17:27:10] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, actually it is in there but when i use tmdb.pl it doesn't find it. i went to the site and entered 88 minutes, it returns a weird error but when I enter 88 in the search it does find it. is this a bug? |
| [17:27:59] | wagnerrp: | new2linx: sort of, yes |
| [17:28:17] | wagnerrp: | the way it is currently set up, the TMDB scraper continues to use the IMDB codes internally |
| [17:28:32] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: Manually add the IMDB # to your movie in myth |
| [17:28:36] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: 0411061 |
| [17:28:49] | iamlindoro: | then the search ought to pick it up |
| [17:28:52] | wagnerrp: | so if the movie on themoviedb does not have the IMDB code listed, TMDB will not be able to use it |
| [17:29:03] | iamlindoro: | TMDB does have the IMDB # in this case |
| [17:29:14] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i thought the mythbuntu weekly build uses tmdb.pl? at least that's what's in my mythvideo settings by default? |
| [17:29:21] | iamlindoro: | It's a search bug-- putting the IMDB # in, in this case, should work |
| [17:29:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, well then it just has to do with the shortcomings of the API search |
| [17:29:30] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: TMDB as teh grabber, but still references by IMDB # |
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| [17:29:45] | iamlindoro: | feel free not to take the advice, doesn't both me if you don't have metadata ;) |
| [17:29:56] | iamlindoro: | er bother |
| [17:30:07] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, oh, i didn't know it still used the imdb movie number so i entered the tmdb number instead. i will enter the number manually. 0411061 |
| [17:30:39] | j-rod: | now enter your credit card number manually |
| [17:31:52] | new2linx: | it doesn't seem to be working, in mythvideo video manager, i tell it to search and everytime is asks mee to manually enter the imdb number? |
| [17:32:45] | new2linx: | i am using the mythbuntu weekly builds repo, it's mythvideo version 0.21.0+fixes21064–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3 |
| [17:32:45] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like the theme problem from before, not an actual prompt |
| [17:32:46] | kormoc: | new2linx, so... enter the imdb number? |
| [17:33:35] | iamlindoro: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21132 |
| [17:33:41] | iamlindoro: | Note the change that just went in |
| [17:33:46] | new2linx: | kormoc, well, i am just asking why i would have to enter the number, is the tmdb.pl from the version of mythvideo not working propoerly? |
| [17:34:01] | iamlindoro: | There's nothing wrong with tmdb.pl |
| [17:34:17] | gbee: | new2linx: it's more a problem with TMDB's search, nothing to do with mythtv |
| [17:34:20] | new2linx: | kormoc, i don't want to have to look up the imdb number for over 788 movies or how ever many movies didn't get auto populated with metadata |
| [17:34:36] | gbee: | new2linx: the search should work for 99% of movies |
| [17:34:56] | new2linx: | would you suggest that i download the tmdb.pl file from trunk? |
| [17:34:58] | gbee: | assuming you've titled them at least close to the movie title |
| [17:35:01] | kormoc: | new2linx, well, then deal with no metadata? I fail to see what we can do to fix it? |
| [17:35:12] | new2linx: | example movie. Because I said so isn't auto populating |
| [17:35:14] | ** iamlindoro gives up being ignored ** | |
| [17:35:33] | kormoc: | "Because I said so" Way to be friendly |
| [17:35:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so how's the weather down there? |
| [17:35:44] | iamlindoro: | new2linx: Myth will *never* auto-populate your metadata-- you will always need to manually run the search on it-- however, myth will never ask you to enter the IMDB # ater running a search |
| [17:35:54] | iamlindoro: | If you *do* see that, you have a broken theme still |
| [17:35:56] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, im not ignoring you. i am trying to understand why video manager isn't auto picking up the metadata for a movie titled "Because I said so" |
| [17:36:13] | iamlindoro: | "iamlindoro: new2linx: Myth will *never* auto-populate your metadata" |
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| [17:36:29] | iamlindoro: | "however, myth will never ask you to enter the IMDB # ater running a search |
| [17:36:29] | iamlindoro: | [10:35am] iamlindoro: If you *do* see that, you have a broken theme still" |
| [17:36:37] | iamlindoro: | "iamlindoro: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21132 |
| [17:36:38] | iamlindoro: | [10:33am] iamlindoro: Note the change that just went in" |
| [17:36:41] | ** iamlindoro goes swimming ** | |
| [17:36:53] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i am using the gant theme and I don't see the enter movie number anymore after opening the video manager but I am saying that after I hit search within the context menu, it still doesn't find the movie |
| [17:37:41] | iamlindoro: | because the search isn't returning any results |
| [17:37:47] | iamlindoro: | so complain to TMDB |
| [17:37:57] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i fixed the video-ui.xml file so that's not the problem. i thought the point of the tmdb.pl was so that a person doesn't have to open the video manager and click on every single movie and hit search. |
| [17:38:33] | iamlindoro: | no, the point of tmdb.pl is to replace the old imdb.pl |
| [17:38:41] | iamlindoro: | and both require that you search for all movies |
| [17:38:43] | kormoc: | new2linx, nope, tmdb.pl is just a way for the manager to look up data, not mass populate it |
| [17:38:49] | iamlindoro: | population of metadata in myth is *not* automatic |
| [17:39:15] | new2linx: | the default command is tmdb.pl -D for movie info and tmdb.pl -P for posters. |
| [17:39:22] | iamlindoro: | Yes. So? |
| [17:39:43] | iamlindoro: | 0490084:Because I Said So (2007) |
| [17:39:54] | iamlindoro: | "/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -M "Because I Said So"" |
| [17:39:59] | iamlindoro: | works fine |
| [17:40:45] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, ok, i misunderstood. i thought when opening the video manager it would first run though al the movies and attempt to get the movie info, then for those that i couldn't find i would have to do a manual search. i guess I was wrong |
| [17:40:56] | iamlindoro: | Inded |
| [17:40:59] | iamlindoro: | indeed, that is |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | new2linx, no guessing bout it, you were wrong |
| [17:43:27] | gbee: | wasn't automatic simply because a) not everyone puts movies/tv in mythvideo b) IMDB would have crushed us if hundreds of thousands of requests suddenly hit their servers |
| [17:43:52] | ** iamlindoro *is* suddenly inspired to make a neat-ish fix ** | |
| [17:44:24] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, shaving your legs for lower water resistance isn't something I'd call a 'neat-ish fix' ;) |
| [17:44:33] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, i ran tmdb.pl -D "Because I said so" and it returned this: http://pastebin.com/f2e372b23 |
| [17:44:35] | gbee: | fetish fix maybe |
| [17:44:45] | iamlindoro: | Depends on how invested you are in me finishing a 1.2 Mile swim in < 45 minutes |
| [17:45:18] | iamlindoro: | broken script install |
| [17:45:27] | kormoc: | broken bindings install |
| [17:45:32] | iamlindoro: | Still not a myth bug, but probably a package one |
| [17:45:44] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Well, yes, that's what I meant :) |
| [17:45:47] | kormoc: | the joys of bleeding edge |
| [17:46:32] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, can anyone help or am i on my own? |
| [17:46:41] | iamlindoro: | #ubuntu-mythtv, presumably |
| [17:46:57] | kormoc: | tell them that your bindings are not installed correctly and show them that paste |
| [17:47:04] | iamlindoro: | possible they have a seperate binding package that's not installed |
| [17:47:42] | juski: | bleh. can't possibly get a clue what's going on here without proper recording files |
| [17:54:32] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I'm feeling guilty, though, for thinking it was related to the #6798 just because of proximity of #6796 and #6803 (both his) to #6798 |
| [17:54:44] | sphery: | on the bright side, though, he figured it out |
| [17:54:56] | sphery: | (though how exactly he corrupted his schema is another question) |
| [17:55:16] | ** sphery goes to look at both the upgrade and new DB path to see if it could happen somehow ** | |
| [17:56:39] | new2linx: | do you think I would have to shutdown and then boot back up after using the mythbuntu weekly builds repo? |
| [17:56:52] | new2linx: | i wouldn't think that I understand |
| [17:57:00] | new2linx: | soory |
| [17:57:28] | new2linx: | i wouldn't think that I am the first person to use the mythbuntu weekly builds and try to use the video manager. |
| [17:57:38] | new2linx: | specifically tmdb.pl |
| [17:57:44] | juski: | that's Tom Cruise-Thumb's kid isn't it – soory? |
| [17:59:44] | sphery: | new2linx: what's the question? |
| [18:00:01] | kormoc: | sphery, his perl bindings are installed incorrectly or missing |
| [18:00:14] | sphery: | ah, or not configured |
| [18:00:20] | new2linx: | i have some sort of binding problem. my pastebin is above when trying to run tmdb.pl -D from the command line. it says there is an error on line 18 of tmdb.pl |
| [18:00:26] | kormoc: | nah, missing from the reponse |
| [18:00:40] | kormoc: | Can't locate MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm in @IN |
| [18:00:50] | sphery: | ah, just found the pastebin |
| [18:01:11] | sphery: | new2linx: is that trunk or -fixes? |
| [18:01:30] | new2linx: | sphery, using mythbuntu weekly builds repo -fixes |
| [18:01:41] | sphery: | so did /you/ do this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
| [18:01:48] | new2linx: | Can't locate MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm in @INC |
| [18:01:50] | sphery: | or is mythbuntu putting tmdb.pl in, now? |
| [18:01:59] | kormoc: | new2linx, which you understand is not stable... |
| [18:02:26] | sphery: | or did you do it, but not using the instructions there |
| [18:02:37] | sphery: | kormoc: if it's -fixes, it should be stable, right? |
| [18:02:44] | new2linx: | sphery, im, sorry. I don't understand the question, "or is mythbuntu putting tmdb.pl in, now?" |
| [18:02:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yes, they are |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | (ignoring questions about the stability of 9.04 or 9.10pre or whatever he might be using) |
| [18:03:12] | sphery: | new2linx: how did you get tmdb.pl? |
| [18:03:14] | kormoc: | sphery, meh, their weekly builds include them changing build processes, etc. Our code should be stable, but the build (which is automated) isn't always going to be |
| [18:03:16] | sphery: | did you do anything? |
| [18:03:27] | sphery: | kormoc: understood... makes sense. |
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| [18:03:33] | new2linx: | sphery, i didn't follow the wiki because i was unaware I had to do that |
| [18:03:43] | sphery: | new2linx: so you did nothing to install tmdb? |
| [18:04:00] | sphery: | if you didn't do anything, that means that *buntu is likely doing it wrong... |
| [18:04:07] | new2linx: | sphery, i thought tmdb.pl was installed when I installed mythbuntu weekly builds. |
| [18:04:07] | sphery: | follow the instructions on that page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
| [18:04:24] | new2linx: | sphery, at least it was in the /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts folder |
| [18:04:31] | new2linx: | sphery, ok, will try |
| [18:04:33] | sphery: | yeah, they're probably doing it to avoid the licensing no-no that is imdb.pl, but they're dong it wrong |
| [18:05:05] | hendrix04: | ya know, for a quick, easy, simple solution... slingbox + sling catcher ;) |
| [18:05:19] | kormoc: | hendrix04, and not this channel? |
| [18:05:42] | hendrix04: | and not mythtv ;) |
| [18:05:42] | iamlindoro: | if simple solution = you're not actually looking for a DVR, which is what myth is |
| [18:05:44] | sphery: | slingbox: Perfect for those who listen to their TV |
| [18:05:50] | sphery: | (Just don't open your eyes) |
| [18:06:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: seems most Myth users just want LiveTV, anyway :) |
| [18:06:16] | iamlindoro: | Blech |
| [18:06:21] | hendrix04: | video quality bad over sling box? |
| [18:06:40] | iamlindoro: | You're the expert ;) |
| [18:06:50] | iamlindoro: | or is this another case of "recommending something one has never tried?" |
| [18:07:37] | hendrix04: | of course it is a recommendation that i have never tried |
| [18:07:38] | juski: | if slingboxes were so good, why did they have to make them all look like crap? |
| [18:08:01] | kormoc: | hendrix04, why? Why would you do such a thing? |
| [18:08:01] | brad2: | I recommend sex with multiple playmates at the playboy mansion |
| [18:08:08] | brad2: | i've never tried it.. but must be good |
| [18:08:09] | brad2: | ;) |
| [18:08:10] | hendrix04: | i know people that swear by them |
| [18:08:34] | hendrix04: | but i said simple solution, not the best |
| [18:08:37] | juski: | who, in their right mind, REALLY wants to watch crappy quality web tv streamed onto a tiny display? |
| [18:08:48] | Dagmar: | About a jillion idiot cell phone users |
| [18:08:59] | juski: | and have to pay for a box to sit permanently powered on to do it |
| [18:09:02] | sphery: | hendrix04: http://support.slingmedia.com/get/KB-005719.html (of course, their, "similar to what you would experience if you [sic] not watching the programming via your Slingbox," means, "if you're watching NTSC garbage-quality TV") |
| [18:09:47] | juski: | if you wanna watch live tv wtf are you doing outside the house? |
| [18:09:57] | hendrix04: | slingbox hd and sling catcher both support up to 1080i and hooking up to a 47" tv wouldnt be a tiny display |
| [18:10:02] | kormoc: | yeah, half the fun of TV is the lack of pants... |
| [18:10:05] | juski: | no no no |
| [18:10:11] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:10:17] | brad2: | haha |
| [18:10:25] | juski: | 'support up to 1080i' means they'll capture signals at up to 1080i |
| [18:10:25] | sphery: | juski: obviously, you're sucking up the hotel's bandwidth so that I don't have enough b/w to use a text-based SSH session |
| [18:10:32] | juski: | not that you're gonna *get* 1080i |
| [18:10:53] | sphery: | 1080i at 1Mbps... Nice. |
| [18:10:55] | kormoc: | This is a case of hendrix04 is obviously the expert who knows it all better then those of us who have researched it/used it/etc... |
| [18:11:07] | sphery: | Too bad ATSC wastes up to 19 times that. |
| [18:11:16] | juski: | and still looks like ass sometimes |
| [18:11:22] | juski: | ;-) |
| [18:11:27] | sphery: | true |
| [18:11:32] | kormoc: | This reporter welcomes our slingbox overlords |
| [18:11:48] | juski: | these kids of today worry me. they have no qualms about technical quality |
| [18:11:49] | hendrix04: | kormoc: Never said i was an expert |
| [18:12:04] | juski: | screw convenience if it looks/sounds like ass |
| [18:12:30] | hendrix04: | and over home network, you would be getting more than 1mbps |
| [18:12:31] | juski: | WTH is 'SCTE' ? |
| [18:12:46] | kormoc: | hendrix04, you're arguing with us when we said it looks like crap by quoting marketing spew at us... |
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| [18:13:04] | juski: | "found 1 non-conflicting SCTE' channels |
| [18:13:22] | iamlindoro: | US Cable |
| [18:13:27] | sphery: | Society of Cable Telecommunications Engineers |
| [18:13:38] | juski: | that's good going. I'm in the UK |
| [18:13:40] | new2linx: | sphery, i followed the wiki and I am still getting an error but now it says it's on line 23 instead of 18. it reads Can't locate MythTV/MythVideoCommon.pm in @INC |
| [18:13:41] | sphery: | They tend to fight with each other a lot |
| [18:13:46] | sphery: | lots of conflict |
| [18:14:07] | sphery: | new2linx: running form the command line or from MythVideo? |
| [18:14:23] | XLV: | btw why havent slingbox released additional devices with other type of tuners by now? they are for so long restricted to atsc.. why not dvb-t/s/c yet? would make a easy to deploy additional tuners possibility.. |
| [18:14:26] | new2linx: | sphery, running from command line. i even get this after I follow the wiki. Successfully installed tmdb.pl script to: |
| [18:14:28] | sphery: | new2linx: if the command line, cd /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts |
| [18:14:28] | new2linx: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts |
| [18:14:28] | new2linx: | Successfully configured MythVideo and MythWeb to use tmdb.pl. |
| [18:14:32] | new2linx: | sorry for pasting |
| [18:14:47] | sphery: | you have to be in the tmdb.pl directory to run it |
| [18:15:09] | sphery: | on the bright side, though, you got a better/newer version of tmdb.pl than ubuntu gives you :) |
| [18:15:12] | hendrix04: | so kormoc, you own a slingbox pro hd? |
| [18:15:21] | juski: | might have to send a patch for mythtv-setup's icon downloader popup xml |
| [18:15:37] | juski: | the box is wide, but the text is way short |
| [18:15:42] | kormoc: | hendrix04, why would I own something that I feel makes the quality crap? |
| [18:16:17] | xris: | kormoc: we should probably fix mythweb trunk to use tmdb.pl by default |
| [18:16:18] | sphery: | hendrix04: so, you ever tried to compress video of any kind using any CODEC (even non-realtime compression) to fit over a small pipe (i.e. the upstream bandwidth available on a cable connection)? |
| [18:16:35] | sphery: | the limitation is /not/ the device--it's the bandwidth |
| [18:16:44] | juski: | hendrix04: even SDTV looks like ass at < 2Mbits/sec |
| [18:16:53] | sphery: | and it always results in garbage (like you'd see on YouTube) |
| [18:16:58] | new2linx: | sphery, actually it does work from the command line. at least I am not seeing an error anymore. let me go into mythfrontend and see if the metadata is there |
| [18:17:13] | hendrix04: | sphery: so you are telling me that over a home network, the device still uses the same bitrate as going over the net? |
| [18:17:18] | XLV: | sphery, cant it be set up to use the 100Mbit ot 1GBit home network? |
| [18:17:21] | kormoc: | hendrix04, I have seen a sling hd in action, and it looks like crap compared to the raw signal |
| [18:17:23] | sphery: | note that even Hulu is probably using significantly more than 1Mbps for their stuff (but because it's downstream, it works) |
| [18:17:35] | kormoc: | hendrix04, in our viewing, yes, local net used the same crappy bitrate... |
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| [18:18:14] | sphery: | hendrix04: might be configurable, but it's designed for fast compression to low bitrate, so I'd be surprised if it goes much higher |
| [18:18:21] | juski: | whee segfault |
| [18:18:41] | juski: | and I've not touched a single line of code yet :-D |
| [18:18:56] | new2linx: | sphery, it appears to be working, it just a pain because my movis are split into 2 parts, so I have because i said so cd1.avi and because i said so cd2.avi, so i ahve to edit the metadata title and then run the search. that's what I get for having 2 files for one movie i guess |
| [18:18:57] | sphery: | How come everyone blames that poor guy, Seg? Why is it always his fault? |
| [18:19:13] | juski: | new2linx: just rip them as one file next time, silly |
| [18:19:35] | juski: | nobody really burns CDs of AVIs anymore |
| [18:20:24] | sphery: | new2linx: anything in brackets is ignored in title guessing--i.e. This_Is_Something_I_Ripped_Myself_Into_2_CD_Sized_Chunks_Not_Something_I_Downloa ded_Illegally_[cd1].avi |
| [18:20:45] | sphery: | ignores [cd1] |
| [18:21:29] | juski: | requests to fix that have fallen on incredulity & laughter :D |
| [18:21:47] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [18:21:53] | juski: | and that's one of the reasons some claim to prefer XBMC |
| [18:21:56] | XLV: | so noone else has marketed tuners that use network to transfer? theres this http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun but its limited to dbv-t too |
| [18:22:12] | new2linx: | sphery, it's not in brackets, i didn't download it either. i named them cd1 and cd2 |
| [18:22:15] | juski: | XLV: DVB-T, ATSC/QAM |
| [18:22:18] | hendrix04: | it appears that someone has seen bitrates of 7mbps over network using sling hd... far cry from 1mbps (not saying it is great) |
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| [18:22:51] | juski: | hendrix04: has the penny dropped yet? We don't care a rat's ass about anything sling make & we're not in any kind of position to recommend it to you |
| [18:22:54] | sphery: | new2linx: yeah, I'm saying rename it to have the cd1 in brackets |
| [18:23:09] | sphery: | new2linx: use a program like rename and you can do them all at once |
| [18:23:29] | XLV: | juski, yeah.. a dvb-s(2) would be nice.. maybe even with ci for subscribtion cards to be used |
| [18:23:32] | new2linx: | sphery, oh, ok. thanks |
| [18:23:33] | kormoc: | hendrix04, and it's a far cry from 19 |
| [18:23:36] | sphery: | new2linx: http://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-bulk-renam . . . the-terminal |
| [18:23:42] | juski: | XLV: never gonna happen, they've said as much |
| [18:23:50] | kormoc: | juski, actually he was recommending them to other people |
| [18:23:50] | hendrix04: | Kormoc: You are not seeing 19 from cable or sat either |
| [18:24:01] | ** sphery loves regexp-based rename ** | |
| [18:24:33] | sphery: | new2linx: also http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Rename |
| [18:24:38] | kormoc: | hendrix04, no, but I am seeing 13 fairly commonly, which is still a far cry from a 'reported' max of 7 |
| [18:24:42] | hendrix04: | actually i wasnt really recommending it to anyone, i was just throwing it out there |
| [18:24:56] | new2linx: | sphery, ok, will try. thank you so much |
| [18:25:06] | kormoc: | <hendrix04> ya know, for a quick, easy, simple solution... slingbox + sling catcher ;) |
| [18:25:07] | juski: | hendrix04: anyway they're a pretty damn expensive way to stream video on a network |
| [18:25:34] | kormoc: | that makes no sense if you're not trying to get people to use it... Reads like a magazine advert... |
| [18:25:34] | hendrix04: | juski: no more expensive than a tuner card, back end, and front end |
| [18:25:50] | juski: | yes it is |
| [18:26:00] | juski: | because you need a $200 box per source |
| [18:26:10] | juski: | and I don't think any of their boxes can multicast |
| [18:26:18] | juski: | so you need one box per viewer too |
| [18:26:48] | kormoc: | $300 for the sling hd pro, $200 for the catcher...there's practically a mac mini right there |
| [18:27:02] | juski: | and the mac mini doesn't look like ass |
| [18:27:12] | hendrix04: | their "HD front end" like 175, a pc that can push HD, over 250 |
| [18:27:13] | juski: | and hey it's useful for other things too |
| [18:27:25] | juski: | their salesman isn't doing a good job here |
| [18:27:36] | kormoc: | but hey, why are we arguing with a sling shill in #mythtv-users... |
| [18:27:45] | kormoc: | hendrix04, enjoy your slingboxes all you want, just not in here |
| [18:27:50] | sphery: | and their boxes don't pause, rewind, fast forward, record, ... |
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| [18:28:04] | sphery: | or timestretch or skip commercials or ... |
| [18:28:24] | hendrix04: | as far as back end, need a HD-PVR which is over 200 per set top box you have (if using sat) |
| [18:28:25] | XLV: | http://www.satcomresources.com/Novra-S200-DVB . . . eiver-Router only 600$ |
| [18:28:37] | juski: | rah, that text highlight being the wrong colour will be my undoing |
| [18:28:37] | hendrix04: | plus the entire backend pc |
| [18:28:56] | kormoc: | hendrix04, or use firewire and get it for free? |
| [18:28:57] | ** juski puts the shill guy on ignore ** | |
| [18:28:58] | hendrix04: | you guys are way to touchy though |
| [18:29:11] | hendrix04: | can't use firewire with a sat box |
| [18:29:35] | hendrix04: | unless you hack it... not a smart idea to hack leased equipment |
| [18:29:59] | kormoc: | hendrix04, hacking is a banned topic, don't talk about it in here |
| [18:30:59] | hendrix04: | wow... i mention the word hacking (which in this case is legal as long as you own the equipment) and you take it WAY out of context |
| [18:31:30] | sphery: | kormoc: how does MythWeb determine hostname for, i.e. getting the MythVideos video directories? (Sorry, I'm being lazy and not looking.) re: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/391175#391175 |
| [18:31:33] | XLV: | hendrix04, actually unless the EULA gets invalidated, no, you cant use the settop box as you like |
| [18:31:59] | kormoc: | sphery, hostname system call |
| [18:32:38] | hendrix04: | there is nothing illegal about breaking a EULA |
| [18:32:58] | XLV: | hendrix04, courts dont feel the same way yet |
| [18:33:03] | kormoc: | what part of no more talk on this subject don't you understand? |
| [18:33:10] | hendrix04: | against sat companys terms maybe, they may can terminate your account, but they can't take legal action |
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| [18:33:45] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh, wait, we use the defined hostname apache uses first, and if that's empty, then we use the system call |
| [18:34:39] | rascal999: | hi, i can't retrieve any channels when i try and scan, the light on the dvb should be solid red but isn't |
| [18:34:55] | XLV: | anyhow these seem to fit the bill.. http://www.novra.com/products.htm even with ci, some of them, but their prices are too high |
| [18:34:56] | juski: | the dvb que? |
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| [18:34:58] | rascal999: | here is the result of grep -i dvb /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/m511e5f01 |
| [18:35:05] | juski: | XLV: dreambox? |
| [18:35:20] | kormoc: | sphery, it's in the top of includes/defines.php |
| [18:35:26] | XLV: | juski, yeah, i suppose you could use a dreambox too.. |
| [18:35:37] | XLV: | juski, thanks for pointing it out ;-) |
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| [18:35:45] | rascal999: | i'm using mythbuntu |
| [18:36:08] | rascal999: | the error i get when i try and scan channels is Timeout Scanning offset 1 — no signal |
| [18:36:10] | new2linx: | sphery, do vfat filesystems accept a [ and ] in it? |
| [18:36:38] | new2linx: | sphery, i tried rename 's/\cd1/\[cd1]/' *cd1* and it didn't work. |
| [18:36:40] | juski: | rascal999: missing firmware? |
| [18:37:14] | rascal999: | juski, well i got v4l |
| [18:37:18] | sphery_: | Wow... That's some storm. |
| [18:37:25] | sphery_: | kormoc: thx |
| [18:37:26] | rascal999: | followed http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_ . . . vice_Drivers |
| [18:37:33] | kormoc: | sphery, /the/ storm? ;) |
| [18:37:35] | juski: | rascal999: these things usually require firmware |
| [18:37:45] | sphery_: | kormoc: speaking of which, worth watching? |
| [18:38:05] | kormoc: | sphery, I didn't care for it, seemed like a pointless story |
| [18:38:08] | sphery_: | Is it scary like this storm--that just knocked out power? |
| [18:38:17] | rascal999: | juski, how can i find the correct firmware? |
| [18:38:38] | sphery_: | kormoc: cool... If that's the case, I'll delete and allow re-record--not worth suffering through Hulu unless it's good. |
| [18:38:53] | juski: | rascal999: see if the tuner has its own wiki page on the linuxtv site |
| [18:38:56] | sphery_: | kormoc: thanks for testing the food for me, Court Jester :) |
| [18:39:01] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:40:02] | kormoc: | sphery_, one of my biggest... erm... turnoffs? for shows/movies is when people seem to just do things for the sake of the plot rather then it making any sense, and the storm seemed full of that sorta thing |
| [18:40:25] | juski: | roh look http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DiBcom_USB_ . . . -T_Stick_USB |
| [18:42:40] | sphery_: | kormoc: Ah. Sounds like it's not a winner. Probably would have watched it if I got both halves, but not worth watching without heavy timestretch/commercial skip. |
| [18:43:32] | kormoc: | "Every time we change the weather, we make the storm bigger! So let's use the weather machine to fix the problems caused by the weather machine!" |
| [18:44:20] | sphery_: | heh |
| [18:44:29] | sphery_: | wow, a weather machine. |
| [18:44:33] | sphery_: | 'nuff said |
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| [18:54:01] | sphery: | *sigh* The guy whining about having to rescan is now being told to do a workaround (i.e. ignore broken info in DB) rather than to fix things. So, if it works, he'll think he was right and that Myth (not his channels) is at fault. |
| [18:54:45] | ** kormoc hands sphery his lighter and a gas can ** | |
| [18:54:59] | kormoc: | I think you are ready. You know what to do |
| [18:55:06] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:57:31] | juski: | wth? Is ESC to quit disabled by default now or something? |
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| [18:58:41] | gbee: | juski: no, bug |
| [18:58:52] | gbee: | mythtv-setup right? |
| [18:59:01] | juski: | playing back a recording |
| [18:59:16] | gbee: | oh, ok, well then no – don't know anything about that |
| [18:59:47] | juski: | ESC seems to be pausing playback |
| [19:00:20] | juski: | I'll check my keybindings.. but erm.. |
| [19:00:25] | sphery: | juski: got prompts enabled? |
| [19:00:37] | juski: | not AFAIK |
| [19:01:30] | sphery: | Figured maybe you had "Action on playback exit" set to prompt and your OSD theme is messed up... |
| [19:01:52] | sphery: | (or the trunk OSD is messed up) |
| [19:03:49] | juski: | did I just see what I thought I just saw? OSD menu editor? |
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| [19:04:19] | linxeh: | are there any general HTPC discussion channels around ? |
| [19:04:33] | mchou: | linxeh: like what/ |
| [19:04:50] | juski: | ahaha niftyness! |
| [19:04:57] | juski: | just what I've always wanted :) |
| [19:05:03] | linxeh: | well, for discussing the merits of mythtv vs other solutions, blu ray playback, upscaling tools etc |
| [19:05:15] | mchou: | linxeh: avsforum is a good source |
| [19:05:36] | sphery: | but we can say that blu-ray playback on GNU/Linux is a no-go |
| [19:05:39] | linxeh: | yeah, I was looking today – I was hoping for IRC or newsgroups |
| [19:05:40] | juski: | no bluray playback direct from discs in linux |
| [19:05:46] | mchou: | linxeh: short of netflix mythtv is the best solution :) |
| [19:05:54] | linxeh: | netflix isn't an option :/ |
| [19:05:59] | juski: | and we're a leetle bit biassed towards mythtv here |
| [19:06:15] | ** sphery wonders how netflix is better than Myth (as it offers completely different things) ** | |
| [19:06:23] | mchou: | linxeh: google tivx :) |
| [19:06:24] | juski: | netflix ain't an option in the UK anyhow |
| [19:06:35] | mchou: | linxeh: nifty toy |
| [19:06:36] | juski: | nor on linux full stop |
| [19:07:18] | hendrix04: | out of curiosity, what is the issue with bluray and linux, hdcp? |
| [19:07:41] | sphery: | DRM |
| [19:07:53] | sphery: | not HDCP, but AACS, IIRC |
| [19:08:03] | hendrix04: | gotcha |
| [19:08:10] | linxeh: | I'm not that fussed about the tech behind it, as long as it's easy for the missus to use too – basically I want PVR, music, films, cd/dvd/bluray (or whatever is practical), andsome widgets like rss and maybe a browser |
| [19:08:11] | Dagmar: | UIm... "Doesn't work for crap" |
| [19:08:28] | linxeh: | atm I've got a collection of boxes that are a right mess |
| [19:08:47] | linxeh: | mythtv satisifies much of that |
| [19:08:51] | sphery: | wow, linxeh even types with a British accent... "andsome" widgets :) |
| [19:08:52] | mchou: | linxeh: just bite the bullet |
| [19:09:03] | linxeh: | sphery: that was a typo ;-) |
| [19:09:09] | mchou: | linxeh: set up a myth box, get over yer misery |
| [19:09:12] | sphery: | yeah, bad joke |
| [19:09:14] | linxeh: | mchou: I've had mythtv before, but didnt really invest in the hardware for it |
| [19:09:30] | linxeh: | mchou: my backend wasnt fast enough, and I didnt have decent networking in place (just wireless) |
| [19:09:37] | mchou: | linxeh: you need good HW for BBC h264 |
| [19:09:40] | linxeh: | and now I've got a full HD panel |
| [19:10:10] | linxeh: | the other issue is my broadband is only 3.5mbit, so its not good enough to get the BBC HD iplayer feeds streamed, I have to download in advance |
| [19:10:20] | mchou: | linxeh: needless to say, you need wired ethernet |
| [19:10:37] | linxeh: | yeah, which isn't terribly practical :o |
| [19:11:01] | sphery: | linxeh: yeah, Myth without proper hardware is terrible... In general, to do Myth right, you'll spend much more than you will on many other solutions. |
| [19:11:07] | linxeh: | I'll have to investigate cunning cable routing :) |
| [19:11:13] | sphery: | (But you'll get much, much more, too.) |
| [19:11:21] | linxeh: | sphery: yeah, but its much more flexible – and the backend box can double up as the general file server |
| [19:11:26] | mchou: | it you coloate the backend abd frontend in one box you wont even need wires |
| [19:11:35] | mchou: | colocate* |
| [19:11:42] | linxeh: | sphery: and I get the ability to have frontends in my living room, bedrooms, and on my laptops |
| [19:11:54] | sphery: | yep, much more, but it comes at a cost |
| [19:12:16] | sphery: | too many people think Myth is designed as a low-cost option to prevent paying TiVo prices, but it's not |
| [19:12:25] | linxeh: | yeah, its a high end solution |
| [19:12:41] | mchou: | I dont think it's so high end |
| [19:12:42] | linxeh: | are atom based machines any good as front ends? |
| [19:12:43] | sphery: | If I had paid TiVo prices, I have no idea what I'd do with all the money I saved over the cost of my Myth setup. :) |
| [19:12:54] | mchou: | it's about the same price as tivo |
| [19:12:56] | linxeh: | mchou: well, it strives to be top end too – its better than anything else imo |
| [19:13:01] | sphery: | mchou: if you do it wrong, it's not high end :) |
| [19:13:09] | linxeh: | mchou: I meant in terms of capabilities :) |
| [19:13:15] | mchou: | sphery: no, that's not what I meant |
| [19:13:45] | mchou: | sphery: you can get cpu+mobo for around $100 that will do the job righ these days |
| [19:13:48] | sphery: | if you compare a single myth box with a single TiVo box, yeah, it's about the same |
| [19:13:49] | mchou: | right* |
| [19:14:12] | sphery: | but if you make a "real" myth system (multiple boxes, more than just 2 tuners, huge storage, ...) |
| [19:14:20] | mchou: | another $100 for 1TB drive, you in business |
| [19:14:39] | sphery: | and $60/tuner card |
| [19:14:46] | hendrix04: | mchou what mobo/cpu combo you talking about? I keep hearing that i need decently beefy stuff for pushing an HD front end |
| [19:14:55] | sphery: | and $40 for a good 80 PLUS PSU |
| [19:14:55] | linxeh: | so are dual core atoms with decent graphics any cop for frontends ? |
| [19:15:02] | sphery: | and $20-$40 for RAM |
| [19:15:16] | sphery: | but, yeah, you can get a single system pretty cheap |
| [19:15:25] | mchou: | at frys over here we regularly get core2duos + mobo for about $120 |
| [19:15:27] | GreyFoxx: | linxeh: Maybe for SDTD, if you want HDTV you want something more like an ION with the nvidia hardware decoding |
| [19:15:28] | sphery: | but it will grow over time, becoming more expensive than TiVo |
| [19:15:33] | sphery: | (but also much more powerful) |
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| [19:16:09] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: hey, you got a min? |
| [19:16:13] | hendrix04: | i havnt seen a single core 2 duo processor for less than $100 |
| [19:16:21] | sphery: | I'd guess an atom of any kind is a bad choice for the system running mysqld, though. And, likely bad choice for the system running mythbackend. |
| [19:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | barely :) hehe but I can try |
| [19:16:26] | mchou: | hendrix04: frys.com |
| [19:16:43] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: turn on your PM |
| [19:16:49] | GreyFoxx: | It is |
| [19:17:01] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: which one? mysqld or mythbackend (or both)? |
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| [19:17:32] | sphery: | oh, that was referring to the "got a min", not the mysqld/mythbackend on atom... |
| [19:17:35] | sphery: | nvm |
| [19:17:59] | linxeh: | hmm |
| [19:18:20] | linxeh: | I was thinking more of the frontend for a 1280x1024 panel |
| [19:18:38] | sphery: | this atom discussion reminds me that iamlindoro didn't give me his 3-page report summarizing his findings after playing with some atom (possibly ion) boxes this weekend... |
| [19:18:39] | linxeh: | backend would be something relatively low power, but meaty |
| [19:18:52] | sphery: | yeah, doesn't need a lot of power |
| [19:18:59] | linxeh: | well depends what it does :) |
| [19:19:11] | sphery: | in truth, atom for a non-master would probably be fine |
| [19:19:21] | sphery: | not ideal for the master backend, though (since it does all the scheduling) |
| [19:19:27] | linxeh: | for the living room 1080p is a must though |
| [19:19:31] | hendrix04: | mchou: sorry, but i am not seeing where frys.com has processors or motherboards for sale, got a link? |
| [19:20:05] | sphery: | I have Athlon XP 2400+ (master) and 2000+ (remote) backends. They commflag at up to 2:1 realtime (30min recording flagged in 50–60mins), but they do fine. |
| [19:20:07] | linxeh: | do any windows bluray players run in VMs ? :) |
| [19:20:13] | hendrix04: | the only thing sub $100 new egg has intel as far as processors is Pentium dual cores |
| [19:20:20] | sphery: | Oh, and I'm assuming you wouldn't use any garbage frame grabbers for capture--instead using DVB |
| [19:20:31] | sphery: | or at worst case, PVR-x50/HVR-1600 |
| [19:20:32] | linxeh: | I'm not that fussed at commflag |
| [19:20:50] | sphery: | linxeh: likely hard to get the video performance through a vm |
| [19:20:56] | linxeh: | sphery: yeah; I had hauppauge twin tuner dvb-t cards before |
| [19:21:06] | mchou: | hendrix04: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 64&type= |
| [19:21:14] | sphery: | most people use a windows-based ripping program (AnyDVD?) and then put the unencrypted ripped content on the myth boxes |
| [19:21:21] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to get my hands on a couple ion boards and do some testing |
| [19:21:23] | sphery: | assuming that's legal where you live, of course |
| [19:21:27] | linxeh: | dvd is easy to deal with |
| [19:21:28] | gbee: | heh, mandriva have finally decided that feature requests going to bugzilla is a bad idea and places an unnecessary strain on those responsible for triage, so they've effectively /dev/null'd them by setting up a dedicated forum for feature requests :) |
| [19:21:37] | linxeh: | but bluray? can that be ripped ? |
| [19:21:44] | GreyFoxx: | linxeh: yes it can |
| [19:21:51] | linxeh: | (ignoring legality) |
| [19:21:53] | GreyFoxx: | or at least most of it can |
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| [19:21:57] | sphery: | gbee: kind of like our wiki page :) |
| [19:22:10] | linxeh: | hmmm this gets interesting ) |
| [19:22:20] | sphery: | linxeh: though when they change crypt stuff, you may have to wait a few weeks for them to re-crack it |
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| [19:22:33] | linxeh: | so ripping a bluray – is that particularly cpu intensive? or just I/O ? |
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| [19:22:42] | GreyFoxx: | linxeh: one person here has all of his hddvd and bluray content ripped and playing in myth |
| [19:22:45] | GreyFoxx: | cpu intensive |
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| [19:22:48] | sphery: | linxeh: and, though the name has DVD in it, AnyDVD is the Blu-Ray ripper: http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html |
| [19:22:56] | linxeh: | ah cool |
| [19:23:02] | linxeh: | I shall read up :) |
| [19:23:32] | hendrix04: | technically it is a copy protection breaker. gotta have another piece of software to do the ripping ;) |
| [19:23:32] | sphery: | I think you get AnyDVD-HD or something like that |
| [19:23:34] | GreyFoxx: | It's time to replace 2 of my FE's so I need to get my hands on a ion to play with |
| [19:23:40] | GreyFoxx: | see if it will do the job for me |
| [19:23:42] | sphery: | I don't know, as ripping them here is illegal, so I don't |
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| [19:23:57] | linxeh: | heh |
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| [19:24:08] | gbee: | yeah, the parallel was what made it interesting, in other words, the larger projects in general are finding feature requests to suddenly be exploding – I'll call it the ubuntu effect |
| [19:24:25] | linxeh: | so ion systems are atoms with nvidia chipsets ? |
| [19:24:33] | sphery: | linxeh: though, IIRC, you missed your chance to get the lifetime subscription (stopped it Jan 1, IIRC) and now you have to buy a subscription yearly or whatever |
| [19:24:39] | GreyFoxx: | linxeh: yeah |
| [19:24:48] | rascal999: | hi, i have mythtv backend running but frontend machine (which is separate) can't find it 'no upnp backends', what is going on? |
| [19:24:59] | GreyFoxx: | I think can take more ram, and you can use the nvidia hardware decoding with vdpau |
| [19:25:13] | sphery: | linxeh: http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html is what those who rip Blu-Ray use: http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html |
| [19:25:18] | Dagmar: | rascal999: Generally, it doesn't matter. |
| [19:25:35] | Dagmar: | If it mattered, you'd be saying something other than just "I'm getting this weird message" |
| [19:25:48] | rascal999: | Dagmar, i can't watch tv |
| [19:25:49] | sphery: | rascal999: that's informative... just means you have to specify the backend |
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| [19:25:57] | sphery: | rascal999: mythfrontend -p |
| [19:26:16] | Dagmar: | rascal999: Well it's got nothing to do with that message. Go through the install documentation and make sure each piece is set up correctly |
| [19:26:58] | wagnerrp: | hendrix04: technically, anydvd does ship with a very minimal disk ripper |
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| [19:27:14] | sphery: | and they also have CloneDVD |
| [19:27:20] | mchou: | hendrix04: go look for deals there |
| [19:27:21] | mchou: | hendrix04: they pop up virtually every day |
| [19:27:23] | mchou: | whoa |
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| [19:27:31] | mchou: | wth |
| [19:27:35] | mchou: | freenode is jammed up |
| [19:27:45] | mchou: | I have a feeling that ion is still roach motel |
| [19:27:51] | mchou: | tivx runs on linux though |
| [19:28:02] | sphery: | I'm guessing you sent these long ago... |
| [19:28:21] | wagnerrp: | something about C2Ds being expensive |
| [19:28:23] | sphery: | perhaps you got throttled by the server? pasted too much into a PM? |
| [19:28:42] | sphery: | he'll see that in 10mins :) |
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| [19:28:53] | aarons: | hey guys |
| [19:28:58] | aarons: | http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE-WINTV-PVR-150-M . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [19:29:00] | mchou: | sphery: who you talking about? |
| [19:29:06] | sphery: | good thing meshe's not around |
| [19:29:18] | aarons: | Sphery, http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE-WINTV-PVR-150-M . . . cmdZViewItem is that decent? |
| [19:29:19] | hendrix04: | may just go with an athlon x2 for front ends... My current athlon x2 handles 720p without any issues what so ever, and they are cheap |
| [19:29:48] | sphery: | mchou: just thought those statements from you were kind of delayed, and with your "whoa...freenode is jammed up", I assumed your messages were taking a while to come through |
| [19:29:53] | wagnerrp: | aarons: if you are doing analog capture or tuning, you want one of those |
| [19:30:06] | aarons: | alright thnks |
| [19:30:11] | mchou: | sphery: yup |
| [19:30:31] | hendrix04: | aarons: i used the 500 for awhile, (2 150s on 1 card) they work very nicly |
| [19:30:32] | mchou: | sphery: something very wrong in denmark |
| [19:30:41] | sphery: | aarons: for analog Standard Definition, you want a PVR-150 or an HVR-1600. PVR-150's are cheap, now, since the digital transition. |
| [19:30:59] | wagnerrp: | hendrix04: any of the ath64s or core2s should be capable of full broadcast bitrate |
| [19:31:06] | wagnerrp: | '720p' is a very ambiguous term |
| [19:31:31] | juski: | damn, I'm gonna have to get used to this highlight text in Terra being dark |
| [19:31:55] | ** sphery loves the AMD 5050e for its low-power usage (but it's hard to find, lately) ** | |
| [19:32:04] | mchou: | sphery: frys |
| [19:32:08] | aarons: | http://www.getpartsonline.com/wintv-pvr-500.h . . . intv-pvr-500 maybe this would be a better investment |
| [19:32:11] | hendrix04: | let me rephrase, the 720p and 1080p x264 files i throw at it |
| [19:32:13] | sphery: | juski: darklight? |
| [19:32:14] | mchou: | sphery: I just linke you :) |
| [19:32:20] | mchou: | linked* |
| [19:32:36] | mchou: | sphery: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 08&type= |
| [19:32:53] | wagnerrp: | aarons: 500s are usually more expensive per tuner than 150s |
| [19:32:53] | sphery: | wow, outpost, which was frys, is now frys |
| [19:32:57] | mchou: | the mobo is crap but the proc is decent |
| [19:33:07] | wagnerrp: | not much point to getting a 500, unless youre limited in PCI slots |
| [19:33:11] | aarons: | well that price is really good compared to 30 bucks for a 150 |
| [19:33:17] | aarons: | and the 500 is new |
| [19:33:38] | mchou: | new is a relative term |
| [19:33:40] | sphery: | likely new meaning only never used as Hauppauge stopped producing them for the US market about 2 years ago |
| [19:33:42] | aarons: | are there any compatibility issues with the 500 and myth? |
| [19:33:57] | wagnerrp: | ok, $40 for a 500 is a good price |
| [19:34:00] | juski: | aarons: no |
| [19:34:06] | sphery: | i.e. when our government sued them for selling legacy equipment to poor unsuspecting consumers |
| [19:34:17] | sphery: | mchou: nice... thanks. |
| [19:34:32] | juski: | sphery: aka closing the analogue hole |
| [19:34:34] | wagnerrp: | aarons: the only problem is going to be the lack of pci bracket |
| [19:34:50] | aarons: | but for analog, it will give decent qualiuty? |
| [19:35:04] | mchou: | aarons: not really |
| [19:35:15] | wagnerrp: | but its far better than the alternative |
| [19:35:17] | mchou: | aarons: if you use svideo it's good |
| [19:35:20] | sphery: | juski: more the "we're forcing everyone to go digital--even if they can't because their cable companies encrypt digital" side of the government's cluelessness |
| [19:35:26] | aarons: | i probably will be |
| [19:35:30] | aarons: | cause its going on a dish reciever |
| [19:35:36] | Dagmar: | For $40 on a PVR-500 it's an awesome price |
| [19:35:37] | aarons: | and ill use the secondary tuner for cable |
| [19:35:38] | wagnerrp: | the alternative being, using a framegrabber |
| [19:35:38] | XLV: | yeah, that one is pulled from some hp media center pc, doesnt have slot bracket.. but there are lots of pvr500 for~35–40$ in ebay |
| [19:35:41] | mchou: | aarons: if you use the tuner it's worse than a toy |
| [19:36:12] | aarons: | what card would you reccomend for using a dish reviecer with mythtv |
| [19:36:12] | Dagmar: | Just ignore mchou. He hates everything. |
| [19:36:27] | sphery: | mchou: unfortunately, the plane ticket to CA would be /very/ expensive (only available for pick up, no shipping--not even on the processor, alone, without any specials) |
| [19:36:29] | Dagmar: | The tuner on the PVR-500 generally works just fine |
| [19:36:31] | juski: | wish he hated coming here with his virtiol |
| [19:36:42] | juski: | vitriol even |
| [19:36:54] | wagnerrp: | i think im going to pick one of those up... |
| [19:37:09] | mchou: | look who is sprouting vitrol...speak for youself |
| [19:37:28] | wagnerrp: | any suggestion on how to make a replacement bracket? |
| [19:37:35] | sphery: | aarons: the PVR-150 or PVR-500 is ideal for use with Dish network standard definition |
| [19:37:56] | juski: | buy a blank bracket & beg/borrow/steal a Dremel ;-) |
| [19:37:56] | Dagmar: | So justify how "worse than a toy" is not histronic language |
| [19:38:04] | mchou: | if you think the the tuners on pvx-xx0s is decent compared to svideo then you need to gouge out your eyes |
| [19:38:06] | sphery: | aarons: though if you have any interest in high-definition, you'd need the HD-PVR (and have to wait for MythTV 0.22 to be released) |
| [19:38:23] | Dagmar: | mchoe: So invent something better or STFU |
| [19:38:26] | wagnerrp: | aarons: that PVR500 is NOT ideal for dish network capture |
| [19:38:33] | aarons: | why not |
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| [19:38:39] | Dagmar: | You acting like an ass about hardware you personally don't care for is non-productive. |
| [19:38:51] | wagnerrp: | it does not come with the secondary daughter card for video capture on the second encoder |
| [19:38:53] | aarons: | wtf? |
| [19:38:58] | mchou: | Dagmar: why dont you STFU. I have 4 of them |
| [19:39:09] | mchou: | I know what I'm talking about |
| [19:39:13] | sphery: | ah, I thought he was looking at ebay PVR-500's |
| [19:39:18] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Huh? The thing can only record from one non-RF source at a time'? |
| [19:39:33] | juski: | Dagmar: without the additional bracket, yup |
| [19:39:34] | XLV: | wagnerrp, http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE-HP-WINTV-PVR-50 . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [19:39:49] | Dagmar: | mchou: No you don't. You know how to use belittling and histronic language to make people not think it's worth arguing with you. |
| [19:39:51] | XLV: | wagnerrp, http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-2 . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [19:40:06] | sphery: | aarons: you'll need a daughterboard that has the S-Video/composite inputs for the 2nd encoder |
| [19:40:07] | Dagmar: | juski: Oohhhh... OKay. Mine was white box but it came with one |
| [19:40:13] | juski: | Dagmar: the bracket comes with ribbon cable to plug into the main card, thereby providing 2nd encoder video/audio connections to the outside world |
| [19:40:15] | sphery: | aarons: or, just get 2 PVR-150's |
| [19:40:27] | aarons: | can i use the composite and s-video inputs at the same time? |
| [19:40:31] | sphery: | see XLV's link to the daughterboard |
| [19:40:40] | mchou: | aarons: yes |
| [19:40:42] | Dagmar: | I foolishly assumed people selling htem on ebay would have the sense to not lose the bracket |
| [19:40:45] | juski: | aarons: not without the bracket for the 2nd encoder |
| [19:41:02] | sphery: | aarons: and noe that you can usually get shipping discounts on additional PVR-150's if you buy both from the same ebay seller |
| [19:41:13] | aarons: | okay |
| [19:41:48] | sphery: | I.e. http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-M . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [19:42:01] | sphery: | $19.99 + $7.99 S&H, but $5.99 S&H for each additional |
| [19:42:07] | wagnerrp: | aarons: the connectors on the card are only wired into one of the encoders |
| [19:42:15] | sphery: | not that I"m recommending that particular sller... |
| [19:42:16] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use the second encoder, you need the daughter card |
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| [19:42:28] | aarons: | so if i buy a 150, and a daughterboard, i can dual tune?! |
| [19:42:31] | wagnerrp: | the svideo and composite input on the card can not be used simultaneously |
| [19:42:34] | juski: | aarons: no |
| [19:43:51] | sphery: | aarons: no, 150 is single encoder... 500 + daughterboard = dual tune |
| [19:44:11] | sphery: | aarons: http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE-WINTV-PVR-150-T . . . p3286.c0.m14 is $20 + $5.99 (and the guy has 2 of them) |
| [19:44:30] | new2linx: | sphery, im back. sorry if you answered this but I didn't see it as i was gone for awhile I tried, rename 's/\cd1/\[cd1]/' *cd1.avi and it's not working |
| [19:45:01] | sphery: | new2linx: s/cd1/\[cd1]/ |
| [19:45:06] | sphery: | extra backslash? |
| [19:45:14] | new2linx: | also, this is on a vfat filesystem are the brackets ok? |
| [19:45:24] | sphery: | or s/cd1/\[cd1\]/ |
| [19:45:29] | rascal999: | ok installed driver for dvb card (http://pastebin.com/m3bf6e9a8) but scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-CrystalPalace > /root/.tzap/channels.conf returns http://pastebin.com/m7b5bea5b |
| [19:45:31] | new2linx: | sphery, oh, i was merely following the link you gave me. will try, thanks |
| [19:45:34] | sphery: | (you have one before the c in cd1 in the match) |
| [19:45:41] | aarons: | Okay, and what remote do you guys reccoment |
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| [19:46:31] | XLV: | aarons, ms mce |
| [19:46:34] | wagnerrp: | aarons: the hauppauge tuners should come with a remote |
| [19:46:39] | new2linx: | sphery, wait, wont [cd1\] make the names be foo[cd1\].avi? |
| [19:46:47] | wagnerrp: | but usually the MCE usb remotes are the recommended aftermarket ones |
| [19:46:57] | sphery: | new2linx: no clue... depends whether the ] needs escaping or not |
| [19:47:09] | sphery: | new2linx: do the dry run version |
| [19:47:17] | new2linx: | sphery, oh yeah. forgot about that |
| [19:47:20] | sphery: | or just test it on a single fakefile elsewhere |
| [19:47:46] | juski: | the rename command has a -test argument IIRC |
| [19:48:11] | juski: | use -n & it'll show you what it *would* do |
| [19:48:21] | new2linx: | sphery, what about renaming cue and bin files, doesn't one of the files refer the other by name within the file? |
| [19:48:31] | sphery: | no clue |
| [19:48:39] | new2linx: | sphery, ok |
| [19:48:45] | sphery: | I don't do proprietary-format CD/DVD writing files |
| [19:49:57] | new2linx: | sphery, fyi, the cue file calls for the bin file, so one must enter the cue file and change the name to match the bin filename |
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| [19:51:05] | juski: | wtf are people doing with BIN & CUE files anyway? |
| [19:51:09] | juski: | frickin pirates |
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| [19:51:39] | juski: | you wanna use em in mythtv, YOU unfuzzle em :) |
| [19:51:52] | juski: | same goes for your Yaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaar (rar) files |
| [19:52:08] | iamlindoro: | YARRRR! |
| [19:52:55] | sphery: | Today is not Sep 19th! |
| [19:53:08] | sphery: | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html |
| [19:53:18] | juski: | rascal999: you sure the aerial connection is ok? |
| [19:53:36] | juski: | rascal999: if possible try the same cable/connection on another dvb-t receiver to be sure |
| [19:54:12] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: I'm doing up a quick patch (which should be an *easy* review) to do metadata download for the whole library at once-- do you object to a new column in videometadata for "metadatadownloaded" to avoid reprocessing? |
| [19:54:19] | juski: | and it'd help if you could say whether or not Crystal Palace is actually your local transmitter |
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| [19:57:07] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I'd rather name it differently, at some point I'm going to assign uuids to grabbers so each record will know where it was retrieved from |
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| [19:58:02] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: part of that was to eventually support those batch queries or updates that I've objected to in the past |
| [19:58:07] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Hmm... is it worth my doing something up and seeing whether it jives with what you have in mind? For now I can just have it process the whole library and you can add the bit to limit it if it's already got a UUID |
| [19:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Pretty much have it (theoretically, untested) working now but if that's coming soonish I guess I can refrain |
| [19:59:01] | iamlindoro: | Since we have 100% open sources now it seemed an opportune time to revisit it |
| [19:59:38] | Anduin: | I'm in no position to promise soon so I won't, I figure at some point a hard release date will be set and I'll spend a long weekend rushing to get everything done. |
| [19:59:42] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: you know the JAMU ticket # off hand ? |
| [20:00:08] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: #6440 I think |
| [20:00:11] | GreyFoxx: | yup that's it |
| [20:00:13] | GreyFoxx: | thanks |
| [20:00:15] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:00:41] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: I guess I'm looking for whther I should invest any time in this or whether it'd just get tossed |
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| [20:02:39] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: My idea was to have batch fetching as a feature of the grabber (as in the grabber would be queried for what it supported), MythVideo would just check which grabber were the primary (or per record for updates) |
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| [20:03:01] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: How about as a compromise you just add a date of last fetch |
| [20:03:02] | Anduin: | ? |
| [20:03:03] | linxeh: | hmm :) |
| [20:03:19] | Anduin: | (That would be generally useful) |
| [20:03:37] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Sure-- I don't object at all to anything I write being rewritten by you, just don't want to do anything that contravenes your work |
| [20:03:47] | iamlindoro: | Sounds good, I'll do just that and leave it null by default |
| [20:04:11] | Anduin: | my ideas at this point, not much actually code, haven't looked at it in months |
| [20:04:32] | iamlindoro: | okay, well I'll toss something out, and if it's of any use, great, if not and osmething better happens, great :) |
| [20:04:56] | Anduin: | The date was planned anyway so if you use that method it will make it in |
| [20:04:57] | linxeh: | juski: I provide a CD mastering plant with bin and cue files for authoring CDs :p |
| [20:05:05] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Sounds like a plan |
| [20:05:06] | linxeh: | juski: I provide a CD mastering plant with bin and cue files on DVD for authoring CDs :p |
| [20:05:11] | linxeh: | oops |
| [20:05:14] | linxeh: | heh |
| [20:05:24] | new2linx: | i had some program long ago that exacted my own dvd's as cue and bin files, don't use that program anymore |
| [20:05:28] | linxeh: | how well do Mac Mini's (GMA950) run as frontends ? |
| [20:05:34] | new2linx: | that was in windows days |
| [20:05:57] | hendrix04: | linxeh: macs can do anything... |
| [20:06:52] | linxeh: | even older gma950 ones? |
| [20:07:04] | linxeh: | because mine seems to struggle playing 1080 content :P |
| [20:07:29] | j-rod: | gma950 mac mini is fine for mpeg2 hdtv content |
| [20:07:33] | hendrix04: | lol, i really have no clue, just had to poke a little fun at mac fan boys (not saying you are one by owning a mac) |
| [20:07:39] | j-rod: | I used one for about two years as my primary frontend |
| [20:07:46] | j-rod: | 1.66 GHz core duo model, no less |
| [20:07:58] | linxeh: | juski: running osx, or linux? |
| [20:08:02] | linxeh: | err j-rod sorry |
| [20:08:14] | j-rod: | linux |
| [20:08:18] | hendrix04: | j-rod: didnt realize mac had been on intel that long... wow time flies |
| [20:08:56] | linxeh: | hmm ok |
| [20:09:09] | linxeh: | time does fly indeed |
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| [20:15:02] | juski: | mmm hacking hacking hacking. the tricky part is now deciding how to organise the popup |
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| [20:18:03] | kormoc: | j-rod, I thought you were the one saying it couldn't handle HD res? |
| [20:18:30] | j-rod: | kormoc: HD res *h.264* |
| [20:18:38] | j-rod: | very important distinction :) |
| [20:19:06] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [20:19:08] | hendrix04: | mpeg 4 takes a lot more hardware to decode than mpeg 2 ;) |
| [20:19:38] | kormoc: | j-rod, so xris tells me you're an expert with Xen + Serial consoles? ;) |
| [20:20:02] | j-rod: | kormoc: I, uh, have to go, uh, somewhere... now... yeah... |
| [20:20:07] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:20:35] | j-rod: | notsomuch an expert, but I've had to set such things up more than once |
| [20:21:13] | linxeh: | j-rod: how far off coping with h264 hd is it ? |
| [20:21:16] | kormoc: | j-rod, so he mentioned that you said you have to tell the hypervisor about the serial settings? I haven't found any documentation on hypervisor arguments for serial console |
| [20:21:20] | j-rod: | xen, by the way, may die in a fire |
| [20:21:23] | new2linx: | i asked this before but i'll check again, anyone write a bulk updater for mythvideo metadata yet using tmdb.pl? |
| [20:21:29] | juski: | would it be that much of a bind to lose the group stuff when in the recordings list itself? |
| [20:21:34] | kormoc: | j-rod, yes, yes they all should |
| [20:21:40] | j-rod: | linxeh: handles some 720p stuff okay, stutters on 1080p |
| [20:21:42] | kormoc: | juski, group stuff? |
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| [20:21:57] | juski: | kormoc: yeah like the ability to change filters & stuff |
| [20:22:14] | j-rod: | kormoc: yeah, you need stuff added to both the kernel line and hv line in grub.conf |
| [20:22:15] | kormoc: | juski, personally, I never use that functionality at all, so for me. dump it |
| [20:22:18] | juski: | thinking it might be better to only have that when the groups themselves are selected |
| [20:22:30] | juski: | more contextualisation |
| [20:22:30] | kormoc: | j-rod, I'm assuming it's a different format then the kernel takes (if you recall)? |
| [20:22:46] | j-rod: | but of course :) |
| [20:23:17] | kormoc: | j-rod, yay! Heh, least I know where to look, thanks :) |
| [20:23:55] | j-rod: | attempting to dig up a reference, just can't recall exactly where it went... |
| [20:24:15] | juski: | I can see a case here for using switch rather than unloading a ream of IFs in here |
| [20:24:41] | linxeh: | j-rod: ok thanks |
| [20:24:56] | linxeh: | j-rod: do you think thats a GMA950 issue, or the cpu ? or both ? |
| [20:25:13] | j-rod: | kormoc: aha. so on the module line for the kernel... 'console=ttyS0' etc., and on the kernel line for the hypervisor 'com1=115200,8n1' or similar |
| [20:25:24] | j-rod: | kormoc: and optionally, sync_console added to the hv line |
| [20:25:50] | j-rod: | keeps shit from displaying to the console out-of-order, but slows things down a bit |
| [20:25:50] | kormoc: | slick! |
| [20:26:25] | j-rod: | linxeh: the lack of ability to decode h.264? or ? |
| [20:26:48] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [20:26:51] | j-rod: | there's no gpu video decoding with the gma950, so you're using nothing but cpu to decode |
| [20:26:56] | linxeh: | ok |
| [20:27:04] | linxeh: | I should read up on this rather than ask |
| [20:27:09] | linxeh: | sorry for the lame questions :) |
| [20:27:54] | j-rod: | kormoc: and if you think that's fun... try doing similar on an itanium running xen... :) |
| [20:28:28] | kormoc: | j-rod, IPMI is fun enough for me, thank you very much :) |
| [20:28:50] | j-rod: | 101 ways to fail, choose one |
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| [20:30:58] | aarons: | can i use the microsoft wireless keyboard with mythtv?~ |
| [20:31:05] | juski: | if it works in linux, yeah |
| [20:31:10] | kormoc: | aarons, which one? |
| [20:31:24] | aarons: | ZV1–00004 |
| [20:36:11] | aarons: | no reply, im guessing it wont work with it?! |
| [20:36:11] | j-rod: | woo! the 802.11n wifi card that comes with the zotac boards Just Works, no firmware, no out-of-tree driver, it Just Works. |
| [20:36:22] | j-rod: | be patient |
| [20:36:43] | j-rod: | most people here have actual work to do too |
| [20:37:37] | kormoc: | aarons, that's a ir keyboard, the most you can do is try http://mod-mce.sourceforge.net/ |
| [20:38:01] | kormoc: | aarons, if you have a newer kernel, I have it the patches to get it to compile with lirc 0.6.2+ but they're untested, as my keyboard broke |
| [20:38:13] | kormoc: | j-rod, speaking of which, did you ever package that driver? |
| [20:38:30] | j-rod: | nope |
| [20:38:35] | kormoc: | rgr |
| [20:38:43] | j-rod: | but merging it into lirc_mceusb is on the TODO list |
| [20:38:56] | j-rod: | I have yet to even look at the code though to see how feasible it is |
| [20:38:58] | kormoc: | (lirc_mceusb2 ;) ) |
| [20:39:03] | j-rod: | no |
| [20:39:05] | j-rod: | lirc_mceusb |
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| [20:39:11] | j-rod: | get with the program :) |
| [20:39:21] | kormoc: | 2 got merged into 1!? |
| [20:39:26] | j-rod: | yes |
| [20:39:28] | kormoc: | slick! |
| [20:39:37] | aarons: | MCE Keyboard |
| [20:39:38] | aarons: | * http://mod-mce.sourceforge.net/ |
| [20:39:38] | aarons: | * Keyboard is supported as a USB HID device |
| [20:39:38] | j-rod: | well, vice versa, really, then renamed w/o the 2 |
| [20:39:38] | aarons: | * IR Receiver is supported |
| [20:39:38] | aarons: | * IR Transmitter is supported with lirc_mod_mce > 0.1.3 |
| [20:39:51] | aarons: | So does that mean i can use the remote built into the keyboard? |
| [20:40:00] | kormoc: | aarons, yes, and don't paste into here |
| [20:40:12] | kormoc: | j-rod, ahh, nice |
| [20:40:15] | j-rod: | but yeah, I merged support for the original receiver into lirc_mceusb2, dropped the old driver, then renamed it back to lirc_mceusb |
| [20:40:17] | aarons: | sorry O_o i forgot pasting sends multiple lines |
| [20:40:34] | kormoc: | j-rod, it should be fairly simple, it's just registering as a generic usb keyboard with a thin lookup |
| [20:41:20] | j-rod: | yeah, I imagine its not too different from what's been added to the imon driver lately |
| [20:41:39] | j-rod: | mouse and touchscreen input devices there vs. keyboard, but its all input subsys |
| [20:41:53] | kormoc: | j-rod, and upstream for that driver is just... ugh, I can never get a reply from him and it's random which of my patches he commits in and which ones he rejects. I'd love for it to be a bit more open |
| [20:42:14] | j-rod: | yeah, we'll just cut him right out of the loop then... :) |
| [20:42:58] | j-rod: | if I had the hardware, I suspect I could write support for it w/o even looking at his code, but meh, its all gpl |
| [20:43:09] | j-rod: | why reinvent the wheel when you can borrow someone else's |
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| [20:43:31] | ** xris wishes SD would speed up on the "request for funding" grant application.. oh wait, that's me. ** | |
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| [20:44:40] | hendrix04: | bleh, none of the micro itx amd boards on newegg have hdmi |
| [20:45:04] | j-rod: | I beg to differ. |
| [20:45:12] | j-rod: | I bought one with hdmi on it last week |
| [20:45:15] | j-rod: | oh, wait |
| [20:45:19] | j-rod: | micro itx |
| [20:45:23] | j-rod: | != mini itx |
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| [20:45:37] | hendrix04: | mini is what i meant |
| [20:45:46] | hendrix04: | found 1 jetway with hdmi |
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| [20:45:59] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Did you buy the Asrock, btw? |
| [20:46:17] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Got to play with three last weekend, a really fun, nice little frontend box (assuming VDPAU) |
| [20:46:21] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: nope, zotac |
| [20:46:27] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: ah, okay |
| [20:46:39] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: http://www.fecitfacta.com/asrock330/ |
| [20:46:51] | j-rod: | housed in a morex venus 668b case |
| [20:47:49] | j-rod: | not too shabby |
| [20:48:00] | j-rod: | price on those looks good too |
| [20:48:15] | iamlindoro: | Fun, *eaaaaasy* stup |
| [20:48:24] | iamlindoro: | HDMI audio = ALSA:hdmi, done! |
| [20:48:42] | juski: | whee this is fun! |
| [20:48:51] | iamlindoro: | juski: What are you working on? |
| [20:48:51] | j-rod: | heh, yeah, I was sort of disappointed there wasn't more work to do to get the zotac going |
| [20:48:59] | juski: | contextualised the PBB popup menu a little |
| [20:49:09] | juski: | aiming to reduce two buttons to one :) |
| [20:49:14] | iamlindoro: | ah, neat |
| [20:49:23] | j-rod: | everything just worked, was watching tv w/it about 15 minutes after powering it on the first time |
| [20:49:36] | juski: | the group options in the recording list are going, to make way for things but I don't see that as a bad thing |
| [20:49:45] | aarons: | does the logitech harmony work with it?1 |
| [20:49:49] | juski: | and besides, they'd be easy to put back albeit in a new submenu |
| [20:50:56] | juski: | been threatening to look at this for a LONG time |
| [20:51:17] | jams: | 2 years maybe |
| [20:51:27] | juski: | maybe more :) |
| [20:51:29] | jams: | maybe longer |
| [20:51:34] | juski: | since 1995? |
| [20:55:48] | juski: | anyway, good to be finally doing something rather than talking about doing it :) |
| [20:55:51] | kormoc: | j-rod, yeah, or just use the site, it lists all the codes he uses |
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| [20:56:17] | kormoc: | j-rod, and his code is a bit messy, he's always rejected my cleanup patches, and my leak removal patches |
| [20:56:26] | juski: | ahh neato. add to playlist now moves to the next item |
| [20:56:36] | new2linx: | just curious, how come the tmdb.pl only works when i cd to the /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts directory but no where else? |
| [20:57:00] | new2linx: | otherwise I get the binding error with perl |
| [20:57:04] | kormoc: | because the include path is . |
| [20:57:25] | juski: | playlist options could do with being in both group & recording list menus though |
| [20:58:17] | meshe: | new2linx: perl -I/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl |
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| [21:00:45] | new2linx: | meshe, this is what it returned? http://pastebin.com/f72c9edd3 |
| [21:01:08] | meshe: | new2linx: yes, now you have to pass it options :) |
| [21:01:44] | new2linx: | and when i try it from another directory it doesn't work again. OH, i thought you were helping me so that i could run it from anywhere. |
| [21:01:54] | meshe: | new2linx: i did :) |
| [21:02:34] | meshe: | the command i gave you will run it from anywhere, you still need to use tmdb.pl options to tell it what information you are looking for |
| [21:02:56] | new2linx: | is tmdb.pl suppose to update the db? because if I run tmdb.pl -D "88 minutes", it returns no errors if I run it from the /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scritps folder but when I go into mythvideo, there's no movie metadata? |
| [21:02:58] | meshe: | what you pastebinned was the help text from tmdb.pl telling you the options you can use |
| [21:03:18] | juski: | hrm and maybe if there's a playlist when you pull up the recording list why not just show the playlist options rather than the submenu |
| [21:03:33] | kormoc: | new2linx, no, it doesn't update anything, it only gets the data |
| [21:03:45] | meshe: | new2linx: i'm pretty sure you need to run it from mythvideo |
| [21:04:24] | new2linx: | meshe, oh, because I read somewhere that I softlink imdb.pl > tmdb.pl the imdb-bulk-updater.pl would work but it doesn't appear to be. |
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| [21:05:38] | meshe: | new2linx: not sure about the bulk updater, i' |
| [21:05:53] | meshe: | i'm just a perl coder so I thought i'd help you with your lib problem |
| [21:06:26] | Anduin: | new2linx: just don't |
| [21:07:08] | new2linx: | meshe, a perl coder hey? are you aware of a bulk updater for themoviedb.org? i have over 700 movies trying to update the metadata for. |
| [21:07:29] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:07:31] | meshe: | jamu probably |
| [21:07:44] | kormoc: | he's on 0.21-fixes |
| [21:07:49] | new2linx: | oh yeah, but it only work with .22 hey? |
| [21:07:53] | meshe: | oh, then no |
| [21:07:56] | new2linx: | oh well. |
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| [21:11:41] | new2linx: | is there any reason why a symlink to a vfat partition containing movies isn't showing up in mythvideo gallary view. when i go into it, the other folder symlinks are showing up at the top but I don't see the vfat symlink. |
| [21:12:03] | kormoc: | it doesn't like you calling it fat, it prefers big boned |
| [21:12:08] | meshe: | you can't symlink on vfat |
| [21:13:44] | Dagmar: | You can symlink *to* a file on a vfat filesystem tho |
| [21:14:01] | new2linx: | meshe, well the main /var/lib/mythtv/videos is a symlink to a ext3 filesystem, which within that folder are 2 symlinks pointing to 1 ext3 filesystem folder and 1 vfat filesystem. |
| [21:14:03] | meshe: | ahhh |
| [21:14:27] | kormoc: | does the user running the frontend have permissions to read those files? |
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| [21:14:31] | meshe: | new2linx: ouch, sorry to hear that :) |
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| [21:15:32] | new2linx: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-08–03 07:03 movies_fat32 -> /media/fat32/movies the movies_fat32 symlink points to a folder located on a vfat partition. so you're saying that that doesn't work? how can I get those movies to show up in mythvideo then? |
| [21:16:09] | ** kormoc points at what he said ** | |
| [21:16:33] | meshe: | not the permissions on the link, the permissions on the vfat files and mount |
| [21:17:55] | new2linx: | kormoc, root:plugdev are the owners and groups. how do you get a vfat partition mounted other than owned by root. here's my fstab line: UUID=81B8–2F2C /media/fat32 vfat utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1 , i can't appear to change the owner or the group for the files on the vfat partition |
| [21:18:37] | meshe: | uid=myusername,gid=mygroupname |
| [21:20:27] | new2linx: | meshe, ok, will try |
| [21:23:18] | new2linx: | meshe, can I use the user number, 1000 and group number 1000? those are the numbers of the user that runs mythtvfrontend |
| [21:23:45] | clever: | in most places you can use number or name, but numbers are harder for hummans to remember |
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| [21:23:50] | kormoc: | new2linx, give it a try, worse that happens is it won't work |
| [21:23:51] | Dagmar: | Do not recycle UIDs. |
| [21:24:00] | meshe: | just use the name, then if your uid or gid change in due to a crash or reinstall it will still work |
| [21:24:11] | Dagmar: | There should be only *one* username per numeric uid/gid |
| [21:24:33] | meshe: | and yes, numbers and names will work in those fields |
| [21:24:34] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I map all my users to UID 0, it's easier that way... |
| [21:24:40] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
| [21:24:44] | meshe: | kormoc: good idea :) |
| [21:25:05] | ** meshe starts with the apache user ** | |
| [21:25:36] | Dagmar: | I'm about to go off on our windows admins |
| [21:25:53] | Dagmar: | They need to freaking learn to set things up properly before putting farking tests into the damn monitoring system I have to use |
| [21:26:07] | meshe: | Dagmar: lol |
| [21:26:12] | Dagmar: | They're getting irked with me calling them every five minutes for some new alert that's popped up. |
| [21:26:24] | Dagmar: | I'm getting sick and fucking tired of calling them every two minutes for the last goddamn hour |
| [21:26:39] | Dagmar: | The first one that gives me lip about it is getting reported to his boss |
| [21:26:52] | new2linx: | when sharing the vfat partition via smb, i am using this line. is this correct also? //192.168.0.5/fat32 /media/fat32 cifs noexec,users,nounix,uid=1000,gid=1000,credentials=/etc/samba/.smbcredentials,ioc harset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
| [21:26:54] | meshe: | ours do that, but they disable the alerts until the system is working and testing ok |
| [21:27:17] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Does it work? |
| [21:27:27] | clever: | new2linx: with file and dir perms set to 777, the uid/gid pretty much become useless |
| [21:27:42] | clever: | everybody has full read/write access, so it doesnt matter who owns it |
| [21:31:28] | Wicked: | hello all. i have the latest 0.21-fixes setup on here and im looking to setup a slave backend on my home server running debian....can i use the myth back end provided by the debian packages with my compiled version? they should both be 21 |
| [21:32:01] | Dagmar: | Don't mix and match versions, period. |
| [21:32:08] | Dagmar: | Bad things will happen. |
| [21:32:17] | Dagmar: | 0.21 != 0.21-fixes |
| [21:32:33] | Dagmar: | For that matter, 0.21-fixes != 0.21-fixes |
| [21:32:37] | Wicked: | ok ill pull in the svn and compile it too |
| [21:32:43] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:32:46] | Wicked: | what now? |
| [21:32:47] | Dagmar: | Use the _same_ SVN revision on both. |
| [21:32:47] | Wicked: | lol |
| [21:33:22] | Dagmar: | Using just any random revision of -fixes is not much better than mixing 0.20 and trunk |
| [21:33:31] | meshe: | are there any schema or protocol changes in 0.21-fixes? |
| [21:33:42] | Dagmar: | Many? |
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| [21:34:11] | kormoc: | meshe, not overly many, but tracking down any weird bugs makes it harder when you have mismatched versions |
| [21:34:18] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [21:34:20] | gbee: | meshe: none |
| [21:35:02] | meshe: | well those are the 2 interactions that should cause issues with mixed versions... |
| [21:35:19] | gbee: | we try hard to keep api, schema and protocol changes to an absolute minimum (as a rule it should be none, unless a major bug fix) |
| [21:37:52] | meshe: | gbee: thanks, that's what my understanding of the -fixes branch was |
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| [21:38:44] | gbee: | you could technically have a change which affects interaction between two machines without having protocol changes, but they are largely theoretical and aren't likely to be introduced by bug fixes |
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| [21:40:41] | meshe: | hmmmm, i guess having differences in how the two versions manage/work with the database could cause issues |
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| [21:43:12] | Wicked: | hmm is it possible to install mythtv backend on a headless server? the things im reading atm say it needs some form of x. |
| [21:43:23] | laga_: | it needs x libs |
| [21:43:47] | meshe: | it doesn't need X to be running |
| [21:43:55] | gbee: | Wicked: sure it's possible I do it all the time using SSH X forwarding |
| [21:44:25] | gbee: | and certain mythtv libs do depend on X |
| [21:45:18] | Wicked: | ah ok. well i just wanna set up a slave backend to offload commercial flagging too...and its my home server that i try to keep lean and mean...i really dont wanna install xorg if i dont have too. |
| [21:45:26] | gbee: | it's only the configuration which is done with a gui, beyond that you don't need |
| [21:45:36] | gbee: | Wicked: lean and mean as in diskspace? |
| [21:46:01] | Wicked: | as in minimal services/programs |
| [21:46:08] | Wicked: | disk space isnt a big issue |
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| [21:47:38] | gbee: | well like meshe said, you don't need to run X, so only diskspace matters |
| [21:48:52] | superdug: | was there not a new Warehouse 13 last night? |
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| [21:49:31] | iamlindoro: | There was |
| [21:49:42] | Dagmar: | Oh hell I was so busy jousting I forgot about it |
| [21:49:44] | meshe: | ssh -Y me@myslavemythbox mythtv-setup |
| [21:49:51] | ** Dagmar runs off to Hulu ** | |
| [21:50:08] | superdug: | Dagmar: not there |
| [21:50:11] | superdug: | :-( |
| [21:50:17] | Wicked: | ah ok im gonna give it a shot now. thanks guys :) |
| [21:50:27] | iamlindoro: | "Artie is kidnapped by a woman who blames him for the death of her brother." |
| [21:50:34] | Dagmar: | That was lasst week |
| [21:50:47] | superdug: | yeah |
| [21:50:48] | iamlindoro: | Not according to last night's recordings |
| [21:51:02] | iamlindoro: | but then, maybe I didn't get it last week |
| [21:51:07] | iamlindoro: | and perhaps it was a rerun after all |
| [21:51:11] | superdug: | well either your recording is lying ... or i've seen the future |
| [21:51:32] | Dagmar: | Well, it appears to be on SyFy's (*vomit*) site for watching at any rate |
| [21:52:20] | iamlindoro: | I show this week's on tomorrow |
| [21:52:26] | Dagmar: | My myth box shows it recorded 'Elements' last night |
| [21:52:27] | iamlindoro: | "Elements" |
| [21:52:41] | Dagmar: | Tueday, August 4th at 8:00pm CST |
| [21:52:47] | Dagmar: | You might wanna slap mythfill around a bit |
| [21:52:47] | superdug: | what's elements? |
| [21:52:57] | iamlindoro: | The name of the episode |
| [21:53:04] | Dagmar: | This week's episode of Warehouse 13, complete with people from Stargate |
| [21:53:09] | Dagmar: | ...and extra hot chicks. |
| [21:53:17] | gbee: | s/mythfill/schedulesdirect/ |
| [21:53:36] | Dagmar: | I'm using SchedulesDirect and I have the "correct" data |
| [21:53:48] | Dagmar: | I'm figuring something went strangely awry on his end |
| [21:53:51] | superdug: | so there ... was ... a new warehouse 13 ? |
| [21:53:52] | iamlindoro: | Schedules direct shows it on tomorrow |
| [21:53:59] | Dagmar: | There was a new episode last night yes |
| [21:53:59] | iamlindoro: | it may have played last night |
| [21:54:03] | iamlindoro: | but it's on tomorrow |
| [21:54:04] | gbee: | Fight, fight! |
| [21:54:11] | Dagmar: | They show their premiere stuff *many* times during the week |
| [21:54:25] | Dagmar: | Remember, the pilot for this one was on twice a day every day for the whole damn week |
| [21:59:20] | Wicked: | do you guys have any demo videos or picture galleries for 0.22? |
| [22:03:47] | kormoc: | Wicked, you should talk to our marketing executive, iamlindoro |
| [22:03:56] | new2linx: | clever, the uid/gid options are for the mount option in the servers main fstab, then i share the folder with samba and remount it on other computers with the fstab entry i showed. |
| [22:05:30] | Wicked: | yea? im just curious how it looks and stuff. would be cool if you all had a few youtube videos to show it off. or even a picture gallery |
| [22:05:47] | new2linx: | it works now that I changed the main server vfat fstab entry to read uid=1000,gid=1000 |
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| [22:06:32] | kormoc: | Wicked, http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Gallery.html |
| [22:07:23] | Wicked: | ah cool kormoc |
| [22:07:58] | Wicked: | that watch videos looks real nice |
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| [22:09:19] | Wicked: | ...cant wait for a release :) |
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| [22:18:24] | gbee: | actually managed to find someone who hadn't seen Metallurgy before today |
| [22:19:27] | gbee: | Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme |
| [22:19:44] | kormoc: | gbee, it totally should have been shipping with myth |
| [22:20:32] | Wicked: | ah. i really cant wait for a release. |
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| [22:23:28] | gbee: | going a little codeblind |
| [22:23:36] | brad2: | okay i may be completely misconfigured, and bunged something up.. but does anyone notice on trunk when watching a live recording (that hasn't finished yet), when you try to skip forward past commercials, it sometimes gets confused, and the time-line gets all bungled? |
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| [22:23:48] | whoever: | hi all, haveing a prob, when I try "watch tv" the screen go black for about 10 sec. then goes back to the mythtv menu, I did check to make sure I have a channle lineup and I ran mythfilldatabase, mythfilldatabase--refresh-all but no luck |
| [22:24:05] | brad2: | whoever: did you check the mythbackend logs? |
| [22:24:11] | juski: | whoever: look in your backend's log e.g. /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [22:24:54] | gbee: | brad2: none of the devs use livetv, so no, even if there was a bug we probably haven't noticed |
| [22:25:32] | brad2: | gbee: okay i will do some more digging and try to find the exact cause |
| [22:25:52] | juski: | hrm. going back from the playlist options menu isn't taking me back to the recording options menu. should it? |
| [22:26:05] | brad2: | i noticed it on things that i'm already recording, but start watching before it completes |
| [22:26:07] | gbee: | brad2: gnome42 might be interested, he's worked on some livetv fixes recently |
| [22:26:24] | gbee: | juski: no |
| [22:26:31] | juski: | gbee: that's ok then :) |
| [22:26:38] | brad2: | gbee, thanks I will seek him out |
| [22:26:44] | juski: | thought I'd caused that for a sec |
| [22:26:44] | whoever: | juski: "not ivtv driver" ? I have libv4l, and the firmware forohe card so I don't know what im missing right sow |
| [22:27:23] | juski: | whoever: well, it might help to tell us what make/model tuner it is |
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| [22:28:34] | whoever: | juski: see mythbackendlog http://dpaste.com/75770/ |
| [22:29:28] | juski: | whoever: still doesn't tell us what make/model tuner you've got |
| [22:29:33] | whoever: | juski: its a cx18 (hauppaug 1600) I got the firmware from mythtv site and mythtv apperently sees itsince it does recongnise the card on /dev/v4l/video33 |
| [22:30:01] | juski: | whoever: mythtv doesn't 'see' anything. you tell it where the card lives & what kind of card it is |
| [22:30:11] | juski: | if you get that wrong, myth will go wrong |
| [22:30:48] | juski: | gbee: can you envisage any problem in doing away with the group options in the recording options menu? |
| [22:31:03] | whoever: | juski: well, let me clarify, by seeing I mean it proporly Identified the card as cx18 when I pointed it to /dev/v4l/video33 |
| [22:31:25] | juski: | whoever: so what TYPE of card did you set it up as in mythtv-setup? |
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| [22:31:49] | juski: | gbee: plan on keeping the group options for the group list menu of course |
| [22:32:35] | whoever: | juski: mpeg and yes with mythtv-setup |
| [22:33:35] | juski: | whoever: tried cat or mplayer to see if the mpeg encoder part is working? |
| [22:33:43] | juski: | without mythbackend running I mean |
| [22:33:49] | gbee: | Storage options you mean? |
| [22:34:45] | juski: | gbee: I mean the options to change group filters & so on while in the actual list of recordings |
| [22:35:17] | juski: | thinking I might have already run into a problem, I've not yet tested this with group stuff turned off |
| [22:35:22] | whoever: | juski: but won't mplayer /dev/v4l/video33 just cive me a blanks screen? |
| [22:35:46] | juski: | whoever: or static, if the tuner isn't actually tuned into anything |
| [22:36:16] | juski: | but it'll prove the card is working as intended – moreso if you can use v4l2ctl to tune it into a signal |
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| [22:36:33] | juski: | knowing your hardware is *working* is half the battle sometimes |
| [22:36:48] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [22:36:57] | iamlindoro: | Just pulled in videometadata for a whoe directory at once |
| [22:37:01] | iamlindoro: | lovely |
| [22:37:07] | iamlindoro: | whole, even |
| [22:37:16] | whoever: | juski: I get this in cli Playing /dev/v4l/video33. |
| [22:37:17] | whoever: | Cannot seek backward in linear streams! |
| [22:37:17] | whoever: | Seek failed |
| [22:37:37] | Dagmar: | Imagine that |
| [22:37:44] | juski: | whoever: so cat it to a file & try playing the file |
| [22:38:10] | kormoc: | why are you using video33? |
| [22:39:39] | juski: | time to save this diff before I get carried away I think |
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| [22:41:50] | new2linx: | WOW, i sure wish there was a bulk updater for mythvideo 0.21.0+fixes21064–0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3, this is a pain going through over 700 movies and having to manually hit search to have it fill in the metadata |
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| [22:42:18] | juski: | aww, bless |
| [22:42:29] | new2linx: | and I have to do this for my 2 remote frontend and my main frontend/backend? |
| [22:42:34] | juski: | whut? |
| [22:42:40] | juski: | not if you do it properly |
| [22:43:04] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/bulkupdate.png |
| [22:43:06] | whoever: | juski: ok catted to file but when I play it I get nothing, so sound no vid |
| [22:43:12] | iamlindoro: | Slight update to the selector window for bulk update |
| [22:43:15] | juski: | i.e. export the videos directory from the main machine & mount it to the *same* *path* on all machines |
| [22:43:30] | new2linx: | juski, please inform me how to do it properly then |
| [22:43:38] | iamlindoro: | he just did |
| [22:43:41] | tmkt: | the bulk update...is that for recordings? |
| [22:43:50] | whoever: | kormoc: because I alreary hav a webcam hooked up and that what was picked |
| [22:44:03] | iamlindoro: | tmkt, no, mythvideo |
| [22:44:06] | tmkt: | ah |
| [22:44:10] | tmkt: | perfect |
| [22:44:23] | tmkt: | was wondering the point of doing it for recordings |
| [22:44:27] | kormoc: | whoever, you want your tv in YUV format? |
| [22:44:30] | tmkt: | filename based? |
| [22:44:31] | new2linx: | juski, i do share the videos directory via nfs |
| [22:44:50] | iamlindoro: | tmkt, based on the same exact logic as all other mythvideo metadata grabs |
| [22:44:51] | juski: | new2linx: and you mount it to the same path on every machine? Then you only need to do things once :) |
| [22:45:14] | tmkt: | ah didn't know mythvideo had any logic |
| [22:45:16] | juski: | new2linx: besides which, mythvideo doesn't support unique video paths per host |
| [22:45:19] | new2linx: | juski, yes, exported as /var/lib/mythtv/ and mounted as /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [22:45:28] | juski: | shudder |
| [22:45:35] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, man, i wish I had the guts to go to mythtv .22 |
| [22:45:39] | kormoc: | new2linx, and the symlinks? |
| [22:45:42] | whoever: | kormoc: no, (I assume not |
| [22:45:42] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, it sure looks sharp! |
| [22:45:42] | tmkt: | all my videos only have the filename as any useful info |
| [22:45:44] | ** kormoc thinks nfs won't follow them ** | |
| [22:45:51] | new2linx: | kormoc, the symlinks are now working. |
| [22:45:55] | juski: | hrm, what else did I wanna do with these menus? Been so long now I forgot |
| [22:46:04] | kormoc: | whoever, well, that's what the video32+ devices are, so why not use video1? |
| [22:46:19] | juski: | mark as watched for a playlist might be neat to have too I guess |
| [22:47:17] | gbee: | juski: oh, yeah I don't think those need to be displayed when we're focused on recordings, so long as there is a reciprocal link from one menu to the other (context aside) |
| [22:47:39] | juski: | gbee: good call on the menu link idea |
| [22:48:01] | gbee: | some people just won't get the context idea |
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| [22:48:25] | juski: | yeah I kinda considered that when I started messing |
| [22:48:27] | gbee: | at least not before they become frustrated because they can't find the filter options |
| [22:48:47] | juski: | bless the people stuck in doing things the 'wrong way' eh ;) |
| [22:48:57] | whoever: | kormoc: video0 is my webcam , I just changed it to 25 see what hapend |
| [22:49:21] | juski: | just because it's how it was always done doesn't make it right, won't stop people baying for blood etc |
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| [22:49:40] | new2linx: | kormoc, actually I spoke to soon. the /media/fat32/movies/ folder is owned by user daniel and group daniel and all the files within it. |
| [22:50:15] | whoever: | kormoc: video1 just changemit, brb , work |
| [22:50:37] | new2linx: | but I still don't see that folder within mythvideo gallary despite when I ls -la /media/500gb/new_movies/movies_fat32/, all the movies are there. and /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ points to /media/500gb/new_movies/ |
| [22:50:53] | juski: | sod it. gonna add 'mark as watched' and 'unmark as watched' to playlist ops too |
| [22:51:40] | kormoc: | changemit? |
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| [22:52:41] | iamlindoro: | yeah, from the same people who wrote changeberkeley and changeucla |
| [22:54:21] | juski: | heh I'm getting a bunch of fragmented recordings, restarting mythbackend like this |
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| [22:54:56] | juski: | my little usb stick is coping with 3 recordings at once though bless it |
| [22:55:33] | new2linx: | kormoc, weird, before I mount the vfat partition to /media/fat32, the folder is rwx for all and owned by daniel:daniel, but after I mount it via this fstab entry: UUID=81B8–2F2C /media/fat32 vfat utf8,umask=007,gid=1000,uid=1000 0 1, it becomes only rwx for owner and group and nothing for all others. how can i fix this? |
| [22:56:34] | kormoc: | new2linx, change the umask to 777 |
| [22:57:31] | new2linx: | kormoc, ah, amkes sense. thank you and will try asap |
| [22:58:47] | new2linx: | kormoc, now it's not nothing for nobody. fstab entries must be opposite of normal chmod |
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| [22:59:14] | juski: | now I'm staring at 'recording options' thinking hrm, but no way am I gonna get into renaming that |
| [22:59:51] | new2linx: | kormoc, sure enough, now that I have UUID=81B8–2F2C /media/fat32 vfat utf8,umask=000,gid=1000,uid=1000 0 1, now the folder contents are rwx by all. |
| [22:59:53] | EvilGuru_: | Hi all, if one is interested in BBC HD is the Hauppauge Nova S(-Plus) still the way to go? |
| [23:00:05] | new2linx: | kormoc, now, to check video manager in mythvideo |
| [23:00:45] | Wicked: | meshe, im just now trying to start mythtv-setup over ssh with the command you provided but im getting a "cannot connect to x server" on both machines x11forwarding is on...any ideas? |
| [23:00:54] | gbee: | EvilGuru_: for now, but there is no telling when they might move to DVB-S2 at which point you'll need to buy another (s2) card |
| [23:01:17] | EvilGuru_: | gbee: Do all Freesat boxes have S2-capable tuners, then? |
| [23:01:30] | juski: | EvilGuru_: freesat HD ones do yeah |
| [23:01:38] | gbee: | so if you can pick up a Nova-S for £10 then it might be a bargin, but I wouldn't spend £50 |
| [23:01:44] | brad2: | if i'm playing a recording off of the HD-PVR, am I still using the NupplePlayer? God help us all, i'm looking at sourcecode! ;) |
| [23:01:51] | gbee: | EvilGuru_: aye, it was a requirement of the Freesat spec |
| [23:01:55] | EvilGuru_: | gbee: Are there any dual-purpose alternatives? |
| [23:02:09] | gbee: | all DVB-S2 cards should support DVB-S |
| [23:02:19] | juski: | gbee: *all* freesat ones or just the HD ones? so SD channels might even go S2 too? |
| [23:02:19] | gbee: | it's a backwards compatible update |
| [23:02:32] | iamlindoro: | brad2, nuppelvideoplayer is the (archaic) name for our internal player |
| [23:02:38] | iamlindoro: | brad2, so yes |
| [23:02:44] | brad2: | excellent, thanks. |
| [23:02:45] | meshe: | Wicked: you're running that command from a machine that has an X desktop running? |
| [23:02:45] | juski: | mmmm nuppels |
| [23:02:57] | gbee: | juski: not too clear on that, but probably the SD too, the space gains are just too attractive for them to have limited themselves |
| [23:03:02] | Wicked: | meshe, yea from here(ubuntu 9.04 full gui) |
| [23:03:04] | kormoc: | Hey, get your grubby hands of my nupples! |
| [23:03:15] | GreyFoxx: | hmm looks like I need to go find a new version of taglib |
| [23:03:24] | ** GreyFoxx goes a googlin ** | |
| [23:03:31] | meshe: | Wicked: that should work |
| [23:03:42] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html |
| [23:03:45] | meshe: | try -X instead of -Y |
| [23:03:48] | Wicked: | hmm yea. i tried -X too |
| [23:03:49] | juski: | is that it? god, I spent the best part of a couple of hours playing around & here I am with something I've raimed on & on & ON about for years.. done |
| [23:03:55] | Wicked: | same thing :( |
| [23:04:05] | ** gbee has spent all evening with his hands deep in the guts of taglib ** | |
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| [23:04:09] | GreyFoxx: | sweet thanks |
| [23:04:29] | meshe: | try just the ssh command without the mythtv-setup on the end and then at the shell run mythtb-setup |
| [23:04:35] | juski: | gbee: eew. it's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it |
| [23:04:38] | meshe: | er mythtv-setup |
| [23:04:43] | juski: | gbee: yours, I mean ;) |
| [23:04:43] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: should be available in recent distros, release occurred Feb 08 |
| [23:05:06] | juski: | I just wish I could tackle more than very low hanging fruit like this |
| [23:05:07] | Wicked: | damn same error meshe "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server" |
| [23:05:20] | meshe: | echo $DISPLAY |
| [23:05:33] | gbee: | 1.6 is on the horizon, I nearly pushed for making that the minimum requirement because it adds mpeg4 tag support |
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| [23:05:36] | Wicked: | on server or local? |
| [23:05:41] | meshe: | server |
| [23:05:47] | Wicked: | thats empty meshe |
| [23:06:05] | juski: | go for broke, time to do the watched/unwatched marking playlisty bit |
| [23:06:06] | meshe: | pastebin: ssh -vvvv -Y user@server |
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| [23:07:15] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.ca/1519839 |
| [23:07:23] | EvilGuru_: | A Nova-HD-S2 seems quite nice — and supported — although pricey |
| [23:08:43] | new2linx: | kormoc, and finally, got it working. mythvideo can now see the movies in the sylink i created |
| [23:09:03] | meshe: | Wicked: to a debian box eh? it's not even trying to set up the X session |
| [23:09:14] | ** meshe hates ssh on debian ** | |
| [23:09:33] | Wicked: | err well its actualy now a ubunutu server..i just switched it over from debian |
| [23:09:38] | juski: | wonder whatever happened to the guy who wanted to integrate 'send to mytharchive' into the PBB |
| [23:10:58] | EvilGuru_: | Does anyone have any experience with BBC HD and Mythtv 0.21? |
| [23:11:13] | Wicked: | should that $DISPLAY variable be set to something? |
| [23:11:16] | EvilGuru_: | I read it is quite intensive to decode, CPU wise |
| [23:11:25] | juski: | EvilGuru_: understatement |
| [23:11:38] | juski: | EvilGuru_: think 2Ghz C2D ++ |
| [23:11:43] | EvilGuru_: | My myth box has a 2.4 core2 |
| [23:11:53] | juski: | should be ok then, so long as you've Xv working :) |
| [23:11:59] | juski: | otherwise, FAIL |
| [23:12:14] | EvilGuru_: | I got a nice 9600GT for that, so when VDPAU hits a stable mythtv version |
| [23:12:17] | meshe: | Wicked: mine is, but ssh isn't setting up your forward |
| [23:12:23] | juski: | you also need to enable > 1 CPU decoding in 0.21 |
| [23:12:27] | juski: | EvilGuru_: ^^^ |
| [23:12:27] | Wicked: | meshe, hmm |
| [23:13:03] | meshe: | Wicked: on the desktop type: xhost ip.of.my.server |
| [23:13:31] | meshe: | Wicked: in the ssh connection do: export DISPLAY=ip.of.my.desktop:0.0 |
| [23:13:39] | meshe: | Wicked: then try mythtv-setup |
| [23:13:43] | EvilGuru_: | Although, I am, for the moment tempted to rip out the 9600GT for my 7900GTX as it makes a lot less noise |
| [23:13:52] | Wicked: | ok meshe ill try right now |
| [23:14:10] | meshe: | Wicked: old school x forwarding |
| [23:14:47] | Wicked: | hmm now its saying "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server 192.168.5.65:0.0" |
| [23:15:05] | Wicked: | try just one 0 ? |
| [23:15:07] | Dagmar: | ssh/sshd should take care of setting DISPLAY for you |
| [23:15:08] | clever: | meshe: i use that all the time, the only hard part is turning tcp listening back on with the x startup script |
| [23:15:20] | clever: | which is Wicked's problem |
| [23:15:21] | meshe: | Dagmar: it's not setting up the X forward |
| [23:15:33] | Dagmar: | Then they need to reenable that in their sshd config I suspect |
| [23:16:03] | meshe: | Wicked: show us your sshd config file from your server |
| [23:16:09] | Wicked: | these lines are in both the sshd config files: |
| [23:16:11] | Wicked: | X11Forwarding yes |
| [23:16:11] | Wicked: | X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| [23:16:49] | meshe: | that's exactly what mine shows |
| [23:16:52] | Wicked: | server sshd conf: http://pastebin.com/f285296b1 |
| [23:17:03] | Dagmar: | So basically all you shoudl have to do is ssh to it from a box that's actually running X and then typing `xterm` should make a window appear on your desktop |
| [23:17:17] | Dagmar: | ssh -X hostname and that's about it (some people use -Y) |
| [23:17:28] | clever: | yep |
| [23:17:46] | meshe: | Wicked: make sure that xauth is installed |
| [23:18:14] | Wicked: | :-o xauth was not installed. installing now |
| [23:18:25] | clever: | that could be it |
| [23:18:50] | meshe: | according to the buntu forums that's probably it |
| [23:18:53] | Wicked: | WORD! that fixed it |
| [23:19:02] | Wicked: | thanks meshe :) |
| [23:19:07] | clever: | sshd needs to use xauth to add the cookies to your xauth file |
| [23:19:07] | meshe: | no problem |
| [23:19:09] | Wicked: | and everyone else! :) |
| [23:19:51] | Dagmar: | mmm..... cookies |
| [23:20:15] | clever: | xhost is a cookie-less design, and open to ip spoofing |
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| [23:20:23] | Dagmar: | clever: So what |
| [23:20:37] | new2linx: | weird problem, manually entering the imdb number for 18 fingers of death doesn't pull down the data. what gives? i am using tmdb.pl with .21-fixes weekly builds for mythbuntu and the imdb number is 0397853 |
| [23:20:38] | Dagmar: | Good luck IP spoofing something that's going through the ssh tunnel. |
| [23:20:39] | meshe: | it's fine on an internal network |
| [23:20:48] | clever: | which is probly why its disabled in the gdm startup scripts, causing the problem with meshe's idea |
| [23:20:53] | new2linx: | and tmdb.pl is working for movies like 21 |
| [23:20:55] | clever: | Dagmar: xhost isnt used when going thru ssh |
| [23:21:03] | Dagmar: | clever: No shit |
| [23:21:04] | kormoc: | new2linx, tmdb doesn't have every movie... go add it! |
| [23:21:33] | new2linx: | kormoc, i was told earlier that i thought tmdb.pl uses the imdb movie number? |
| [23:21:40] | Dagmar: | clever: You're the one who brought up xhost, afaict man |
| [23:21:44] | kormoc: | new2linx, it does, but doesn't mean it has data for that number |
| [23:21:50] | clever: | Dagmar: no, meshe did it first |
| [23:22:00] | clever: | 05 20:13:04 < meshe> Wicked: on the desktop type: xhost ip.of.my.server |
| [23:22:03] | clever: | 05 20:15:08 < clever> meshe: i use that all the time, the only hard part is turning tcp listening back on with the x startup script |
| [23:22:14] | clever: | Dagmar: a whole 2 minutes before i even started speaking |
| [23:22:25] | kormoc: | oh lord, just drop it you two |
| [23:22:33] | ** meshe chuckles ** | |
| [23:22:37] | new2linx: | kormoc, oh, never thought of that. i wonder how hard it is to add it. the cover art stinks from imdb, so i'll lokk for a better cover and add the correct imdb info to themoviesdb.org. i like contributing when I can |
| [23:22:56] | iamlindoro: | Do not copy data from IMDB to TMDB |
| [23:23:00] | iamlindoro: | that defeats the purpose |
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| [23:23:10] | iamlindoro: | IMDB is the only thing you can bring over from IMDB |
| [23:23:12] | Wicked: | hmm ok so i ran mythtv-setup over ssh and it brought up the screen....but its asking for a security pin...so i closed that to run mythtv-setup on the LOCAL machine to get the mysql password...and now its doing the same thing...asking for a security pin |
| [23:23:14] | iamlindoro: | er IMDB # |
| [23:23:31] | Dagmar: | The security pin is something you should ahev setup in mythtv-setup |
| [23:23:46] | meshe: | 12345 |
| [23:24:00] | kormoc: | the same as my luggage.... |
| [23:24:01] | Dagmar: | OMG how did you know my luggage pin?!?! |
| [23:24:03] | Wicked: | yea...but i cant even open mythfront end on here anymore... |
| [23:24:06] | Dagmar: | OMGOMG! |
| [23:24:07] | meshe: | haha |
| [23:24:17] | Wicked: | *mythfrontend |
| [23:24:18] | meshe: | didn't see that coming... |
| [23:24:21] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, not sure what you mean. I am going to copy the info like the director, plot etc etc and look for a really cover artwork. are you saying not to do that? |
| [23:24:30] | iamlindoro: | new2linx, yes |
| [23:24:54] | ** kormoc shows you the dead horse he has been hitting with a stick for the past decade or two... ** | |
| [23:24:57] | meshe: | director and cast is probably find, but definately don't copy the plot |
| [23:25:04] | iamlindoro: | new2linx, copying the IMDB information of that type is a vioaltion fo their terms of service, that's *exactly* why we have IMDB in the first place-- stealing their info to put in TMDB makes it an unclean source |
| [23:25:17] | iamlindoro: | er exactly why we have TMDB in the first place |
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| [23:25:44] | juski: | because IMDB have their own monkeys.. and they own everything those monkeys have ever typed |
| [23:25:53] | Wicked: | its saying "no security pin assinged. run mythtv-setup"....when i run that on either machine it brings me back to that screen. |
| [23:26:00] | Wicked: | how am i supposed to set it? |
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| [23:26:13] | meshe: | Wicked: in mythtv-setup |
| [23:26:47] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, oh, hopefully I can delete the new entry I created then |
| [23:26:55] | new2linx: | iamlindoro, sorry, just trying to contribute |
| [23:27:13] | Wicked: | when i run mythtv-setup it brings me to a screen saying"please select default mythtv backend server" |
| [23:27:26] | kormoc: | new2linx, if it's something that seems easy to automate and hasn't been, there's typically a reason for it |
| [23:27:29] | Wicked: | i tried running that on both the server over ssh and locally |
| [23:27:46] | kormoc: | Wicked, and so you select the backend server and? |
| [23:27:48] | Dagmar: | So tell it |
| [23:28:03] | juski: | yeah! I win :) |
| [23:28:12] | gbee: | fwiw I suspect imdb of poisoning their cast lists – dropping in roles/crew than didn't actually exist so that they can spot people stealing their data |
| [23:28:16] | kormoc: | juski, you win dynamic text boxes? |
| [23:28:21] | juski: | hahaha no |
| [23:28:23] | Wicked: | it says i need to set a pin and to run mythtv-setup |
| [23:28:28] | Wicked: | its like its in a bad loop lol |
| [23:28:28] | Dagmar: | gbee: It wouldn't even be unusual. |
| [23:28:37] | Dagmar: | It's rather common practice acutally. |
| [23:28:42] | juski: | kormoc: though it'd be nice if I'd done that by accident while messing with PBB menus :P |
| [23:28:42] | kormoc: | Wicked, run mythtv-setup on the master backend? |
| [23:28:44] | Wicked: | i am in mythtv-setup...but its telling me i need to run mythtv-setup |
| [23:28:53] | juski: | I'm afraid even *I* am not that incompetent |
| [23:28:58] | Wicked: | kormoc, i tried that. and on the server |
| [23:29:02] | Dagmar: | Hell even MY name and info is in a few alumni directories |
| [23:29:21] | Dagmar: | ...and depending on how it's spelled indicates who violated their agreement. |
| [23:29:56] | gbee: | Dagmar: aye, lots of companies do it, even the Ordnance Survey (official mapping org for the UK) add details to their maps which don't appear there in reality |
| [23:30:30] | gbee: | normally small/safe details, nothing that is going to cause people problems or worse, get them killed |
| [23:31:19] | kormoc: | gbee, ordinance survey sounds like asking bombs where they want to blow up or something... |
| [23:31:19] | juski: | here we go.. http://pastebin.ca/1519866 |
| [23:31:23] | gbee: | phone books will normally come with a number of false entries |
| [23:31:38] | juski: | gbee: traffic info services do the same from time to time |
| [23:31:42] | brad2: | oh my god, i actually made a code change.. and it actually sorta worked |
| [23:31:43] | brad2: | hahaha |
| [23:33:40] | kormoc: | Mr. Fakey McFakeFake (555)-555–5550 123 Fake Street, FakeVille, FakeState, 12345? |
| [23:33:40] | juski: | brad2: nice :) |
| [23:33:40] | juski: | kormoc: zip code is always 90210 in FakeVille, I thought |
| [23:33:40] | gbee: | kormoc: well that's it's origin, the best maps were originally produced for armies, they were the ones who actually needed them – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey |
| [23:33:41] | kormoc: | heh |
| [23:33:59] | juski: | I must be delerious. I'm actually considering posting to the -dev list asking for opinions on renaming the 'recording options menu' to 'recording *actions* menu'. STOP IT before your motivated is sapped away, young man |
| [23:34:00] | kormoc: | If I ever design a bomb, I'm gonna call it George, so I can say, 'Bomb George the third' |
| [23:34:18] | juski: | /s/motivated/motivation |
| [23:34:44] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [23:35:01] | iamlindoro: | well bulk updating works well... except for the 100 or so popups asking you to select a movie |
| [23:35:07] | iamlindoro: | at once |
| [23:35:07] | juski: | rofl |
| [23:35:16] | meshe: | ouch |
| [23:35:26] | new2linx: | kormoc, i am using nfs to share my mythtv directory. it's owned by hplip and group nvram but doesn't allow others to write to any of the folders. I am using these nfs mount options. 192.168.0.5:/var/lib/mythtv /var/lib/mythtv nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr do I just need add my user to the nvram group or how do others handle this? |
| [23:35:34] | juski: | iamlindoro: time to get it to ignore results with multiple choices eh |
| [23:35:49] | iamlindoro: | juski, Well, okay to prompt IMHO, just not for every movie at once |
| [23:35:56] | juski: | though that might end up as bad as having to do it manually |
| [23:35:57] | iamlindoro: | clearing a hundred or so prompts out is no fun |
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| [23:36:09] | gbee: | yeah, just pause the iteration while waiting for a response |
| [23:36:18] | meshe: | iamlindoro: yeah, like when my dog fell asleep on the printscreen key |
| [23:36:20] | juski: | aha! that's why nobody ever did it before! :D |
| [23:37:13] | meshe: | there were hundreds of prompts, i think gnome gave up after a while |
| [23:37:38] | iamlindoro: | yeah, will add the previously discussed updated timestamp and wait for it to be stamped until iterating |
| [23:37:44] | iamlindoro: | er stamped before |
| [23:38:52] | juski: | gbee: done & done. there might be contention about the order menu items appear, but I can live with that. I'll create a ticket in the morning. Don't feel confident enough to commit it myself |
| [23:39:34] | wagnerrp: | aww... went to work without plugging my mouse in |
| [23:39:36] | juski: | so.. what else did I have on my list apart from auto-width buttons? |
| [23:39:46] | juski: | mythdoku! |
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| [23:39:53] | meshe: | juski: sweet |
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| [23:40:19] | new2linx: | im exporting the nfs shares via this syntax: /var/lib/mythtv 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) |
| [23:40:24] | Dagmar: | Geez Syfy has definitely managed to butt up against the edge of "acceptable" levels of adverts |
| [23:40:40] | juski: | analogue clocks.. definitely want em |
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| [23:41:26] | Dagmar: | new2linx: Yeah, like before, don't ask us. Just test and see if it works |
| [23:42:15] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i have tested it. i added my users to the nvram group but I am still unable to write to it. |
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| [23:43:10] | Dagmar: | So, as with all things "doesn't work" is exactly useless for reporing a problem to others |
| [23:44:02] | juski: | hrm. arbitrary image rotation. this could be fun |
| [23:44:23] | wagnerrp: | the owners of your mythtv recordings are a printer driver, and a type of memory? |
| [23:45:29] | wagnerrp: | also, there is likely no good reason to run 'no_root_squash'... as there is probably no situation in which you need remote root access to said files |
| [23:46:24] | wagnerrp: | that plus youre storing bulk data in /var |
| [23:46:28] | Dagmar: | He's just cutting and pasting without reading |
| [23:47:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, and your father was a hamster |
| [23:48:15] | Dagmar: | Well, at least he's letting us know that he's new to 'linx' so we can warn him that blind use of copypasta is a waste of time |
| [23:48:42] | Dagmar: | You ALWAYS wind up having to read the docs anyway |
| [23:51:15] | new2linx: | how do you guys export your nfs shares? |
| [23:51:42] | wagnerrp: | set sharenfs=yes raid750/media/Movies |
| [23:51:51] | Dagmar: | By carefully reading the NFS documentation |
| [23:52:15] | Dagmar: | People have been writing documentation for NFS for what, fifteen years now |
| [23:52:24] | Dagmar: | By now, many people have probably gotten it right |
| [23:52:28] | wagnerrp: | NFS has only been around since the mid 90s? |
| [23:52:45] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, i guess so??? the nfs folders are owned by hplip and the group is nvram? i don't know why? Dagmar, i read the docs i found online at ubutnuforums.org and am using that |
| [23:52:45] | Dagmar: | OKay so twelve years |
| [23:52:58] | Dagmar: | So read them again |
| [23:53:03] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't involve anything like guessing |
| [23:53:11] | wagnerrp: | if youre using ubuntu, you probably shouldnt even be making exports |
| [23:53:18] | Dagmar: | It also couldn't hurt to read docs _other_ than whatever was up on Ubuntu's site |
| [23:53:23] | wagnerrp: | they probably have some GUI for that sort of thing |
| [23:53:27] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [23:53:32] | new2linx: | Dagmar, why is it when someone like you knows more than me you have to be really snobby about it? aren't these support channels to work together? |
| [23:53:48] | Dagmar: | new2linx: This is a MythTv support channel |
| [23:54:06] | Dagmar: | This is not an "I'm too lazy to read anything or bother to find appropriate people to ask" channel. |
| [23:54:13] | juski: | heh definitely a bit more of a challenge to get mythui to display rotated images |
| [23:54:15] | Dagmar: | It's ESPECIALLY not a channel to be an ass to people who might have information you need. |
| [23:54:40] | new2linx: | Dagmar, so everytime i see something mentioned not regarding mythtv i should kick that person out the channel? |
| [23:54:49] | Dagmar: | If you have ops, go for it |
| [23:54:56] | new2linx: | Dagmar, be realistic |
| [23:54:59] | Dagmar: | I am |
| [23:55:03] | Dagmar: | You're the one being an ass. |
| [23:55:30] | Dagmar: | NFS exposes your filesystem and it's access controls to the network at a fundamental level |
| [23:55:45] | Dagmar: | This is not something you do lightly, or do without knowing EXACTLY what you're instructing the system to do |
| [23:55:46] | new2linx: | Dagmar, nfs is part of mythtv when using remote backends and frontends, at least i've read that nfs is faster than sharing via smb |
| [23:55:54] | Dagmar: | Otherwise you just wind up paying me $300 an hour to fix it later. |
| [23:55:56] | Dagmar: | *AHEM* |
| [23:56:05] | wagnerrp: | remote backends sure... but it has nothing to do with remote frontends |
| [23:56:19] | new2linx: | Dagmar, im behind a hardware firewall, so no one is getting in. |
| [23:56:26] | Dagmar: | new2linx: So what. MythTV didn't design NFS, and I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot of VERY angry devs if you implied in public that they did have something to do with NFS |
| [23:56:30] | new2linx: | wagnerrp, when using mythvideo it does doesn't it? |
| [23:56:43] | wagnerrp: | a hardware firewall is a pair of scissors and a former ethernet cable |
| [23:56:53] | Dagmar: | An idiot is someone who doesn't know and won't learn. |
| [23:56:56] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo doesnt need nfs (not any more anyway) |
| [23:57:01] | wagnerrp: | and besides, its a plugin |
| [23:57:04] | new2linx: | Dagmar, i never implied that, i am merely stating that asking what other Mythtv users do for their nfs shares is relevant to mythtv. in my muind |
| [23:57:04] | wagnerrp: | not core mythtv |
| [23:57:07] | new2linx: | muind=mind |
| [23:57:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, it's a shame we're not so dim as to think you won't just copy/paste it into your config like you've already tried with what you copied off the Ubuntu site, and then come back to ask us why it didn't work |
| [23:57:36] | wagnerrp: | beyond that... im just making idle chatter, having never actually set up NFS on linux before |
| [23:58:04] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Honestly, it takes about twenty minutes including the time spent reading the NFS HOWTO |
| [23:58:42] | Dagmar: | You can give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. |
| [23:58:44] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt the default options, or maybe just 'rw' be completely sufficient? |
| [23:58:51] | Dagmar: | Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life. |
| [23:59:11] | Dagmar: | Give someone a "trivial" answer when they're too lazy to read the docs and that's what you'll get from them, forever. |
| [23:59:14] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, its nothing more than mounting the directory and making sure the file permissions are correct |
| [23:59:26] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: They would |
| [23:59:39] | new2linx: | i am not sure why the owner of the nfs mount is hplip and group nvram. i am trying to figure that out. thanks for everyones help on other mythtv issues. |
| [23:59:56] | wagnerrp: | remember that file permissions are nothing more than numbers |
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