| Monday, August 3rd, 2009, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:21] | orogor: | nite |
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| [00:12:49] | Gumby: | is the audio controlable via mythtv when using the hd-pvr? |
| [00:13:21] | abqjp: | Gumby, take a look at the recording profiles. You can set the audio/video inputs there. |
| [00:13:22] | gbee: | capture audio? |
| [00:13:45] | abqjp: | Same place you set the capture bit-rate, etc. |
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| [00:15:22] | Gumby: | volume control in general. Ive been fiddling with trying to set the audio up in setup/general but nothing I choose seems to allow vol+/- to do anything |
| [00:16:07] | gbee: | you need to define a mixer device, the log will probably have indicated it was failing to use the currently configured device |
| [00:16:34] | sphery: | Gumby: if you're using passthrough, there's no volume control |
| [00:16:40] | Gumby: | ah ok |
| [00:16:41] | sphery: | as the volume control exists on the receiver |
| [00:16:48] | Gumby: | I thought that might be the case |
| [00:16:59] | sphery: | i.e. the tv or the A/V receiver to which the S/PDIF or HDMI is going |
| [00:17:15] | gbee: | sphery is either psychic or there was an earlier mention of passthrough |
| [00:17:56] | sphery: | most people call me psychic, but they put an extra "ot" in there |
| [00:18:36] | gbee: | damn, the qt painter is full of bugs, or rather exposes some issues |
| [00:18:54] | gbee: | I guess I should try it more often |
| [00:19:19] | juski: | other "media centers" don't care a damn for non-opengl |
| [00:19:50] | sphery: | Gumby: if you don't care for preserving the bitstream, you can mangle the ac-3: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6279 |
| [00:20:02] | sphery: | though it's /not/ the right approach |
| [00:20:22] | Gumby: | I can live with using a second remote for now :) thanks though |
| [00:20:51] | Gumby: | I just have to figure out how to setup the IR blaster so it works with my satellite receiver |
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| [00:21:27] | Gumby: | Its not a major brand. Hopefully I'll be able to figure it out |
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| [00:31:21] | Greek-B0y: | how do I use this scan command of dvb-utils |
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| [00:56:48] | sphery: | heh, watching Harper's Island premiere episode and the (audio-described) captions said, "(birds twittering)", but not one of them had a handheld computer. |
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| [03:40:11] | android6011: | I have an hvr 1800, and I can pick up analog channels in mythbuntu, but the quality is horrible and the picture is oversized off the screen |
| [03:41:02] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu should not be able to access the analog side of the HVR1800 |
| [03:41:07] | wagnerrp: | if you can, youre doing it wrong |
| [03:41:31] | iamlindoro: | It'll work up until you try to change channels |
| [03:41:44] | iamlindoro: | it's the ioctls that are dropped, not outright inoperable |
| [03:42:01] | android6011: | I can change channels fine |
| [03:42:12] | android6011: | all I have is a default install of latest official mythbuntu |
| [03:42:30] | wagnerrp: | did you set up the card as an mpeg encoder? or as a v4l card? |
| [03:42:33] | iamlindoro: | then wagnerrp is right, you're doing it wrong |
| [03:42:38] | android6011: | v4l |
| [03:42:45] | iamlindoro: | yup, wrong |
| [03:42:49] | android6011: | mpeg 4 usb was the only option |
| [03:42:55] | android6011: | i didnt see mpeg 2 listed |
| [03:43:13] | iamlindoro: | wrooooong |
| [03:43:15] | wagnerrp: | you *can* access the framegrabber on the hauppauge encoders directly |
| [03:43:33] | wagnerrp: | but the only reason you should ever do so is when debugging something |
| [03:43:42] | android6011: | I talked to one of the driver devs the other day, he said he hopes to have the driver mythtv ready in a few weeks |
| [03:52:46] | HRearden: | got a quick question about multiple data sources and mythfilldatabase. I've got 3 video sources in mythtv mapped back to a single schedules direct lineup. (2 types of cable boxes and 1 hdhomerun). |
| [03:53:16] | HRearden: | I've been using --remove-new-channels on my mythfilldatabase to do this. |
| [03:53:25] | HRearden: | Over time new channels have been added. |
| [03:53:48] | HRearden: | I would like to add these to the video source for the 2 cable boxes (or maybe really just one of them |
| [03:54:06] | wagnerrp: | so use multiple lineups on the SD side |
| [03:54:12] | HRearden: | but not the HDHR. Can I do this with a --only-update-channels and specify the sourceid |
| [03:54:27] | wagnerrp: | i know there has been talk of this issue in the past |
| [03:54:36] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if they allow multiple copies of the same lineup |
| [03:54:45] | HRearden: | They don't, not with the same zip. |
| [03:54:47] | wagnerrp: | but you can always just add the cable lineup of the next zipcode over |
| [03:54:51] | wagnerrp: | should be the same channels |
| [03:55:01] | HRearden: | That adds overhead at retrieval time. |
| [03:55:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... a couple minutes once a day |
| [03:55:25] | HRearden: | This is a supported way to do this that was added a while back, I just don't know what to do when you DO want to update the lineups occasionally. |
| [03:56:09] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i cant say ive ever had mythfilldatabase add new channels to my lineups |
| [03:56:38] | HRearden: | I can always browse the code and check and also make a backup copy of the DB and try a few things, just wanted to see if anybody knew. |
| [03:57:02] | HRearden: | There is detection logic I know based on lineup type and attached sources I think. |
| [04:04:14] | sphery: | HRearden: in theory, mfdb will never add new channels to the HDHR's video source since HDHR is a digital tuner |
| [04:04:50] | sphery: | so that one is not a problem, but I don't know about the other video source besides the one for the cable boxes |
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| [04:05:31] | sphery: | HRearden: you'd have to use the command-line arg --do-not-filter-new-channels to force mfdb to add channels to the HDHR |
| [04:05:45] | sphery: | so even without --remove-new-channels, it shouldn't be an issue |
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| [04:06:51] | devicenull: | hmm.. any idea why one video would stutter? |
| [04:06:57] | devicenull: | while naother one was perfectly fine? |
| [04:07:00] | devicenull: | same codecs |
| [04:07:17] | sphery: | different bitrate |
| [04:07:20] | sphery: | different resolution |
| [04:07:22] | sphery: | different encoding |
| [04:07:39] | sphery: | noise/bad signal |
| [04:07:46] | sphery: | (causing corruption) |
| [04:07:52] | devicenull: | any idea on fixes? mythfrontend is only using like 2% cpu |
| [04:07:53] | sphery: | different interlacing |
| [04:07:59] | sphery: | could be any of a number of things |
| [04:08:16] | sphery: | to find the fix, you'll first have to find the cause |
| [04:08:19] | devicenull: | I would assume its a problem with this video, since all the others were fine |
| [04:08:28] | tank-man: | are they recorded from the same source? |
| [04:08:30] | sphery: | sounds quite likely |
| [04:08:37] | devicenull: | nope |
| [04:08:51] | sphery: | my guess is that it wasn't even recorded with Myth, right? |
| [04:08:55] | devicenull: | no, it wasnt |
| [04:09:16] | sphery: | if it's a random internet video, expect all sorts of garbage |
| [04:09:21] | wagnerrp: | and youre using VDPAU? |
| [04:09:28] | wagnerrp: | (considering there is no CPU usage) |
| [04:09:37] | devicenull: | VDPAU? |
| [04:09:56] | tank-man: | not enough info to help |
| [04:10:03] | devicenull: | yea I think its an issue with this video |
| [04:10:10] | devicenull: | soo not much that can really be done Iimagine |
| [04:11:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or could be standard-def or lower res |
| [04:11:48] | wagnerrp: | thats very low bitrate on a pretty hefty processor to manage only 2% |
| [04:12:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean mythfrontend-fixes would pull a couple percent just sitting there doing nothing |
| [04:12:59] | devicenull: | nothing really special |
| [04:13:03] | devicenull: | p4 3.0 ghz |
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| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | possibly something screwy happening due to hyperthreading? |
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| [04:56:06] | nuonguy: | when I switched from atrpms to rpmfusion, I lost the menus that I should have when I press I or P or E |
| [04:56:15] | nuonguy: | how do I bring them back? |
| [05:11:20] | nuonguy: | am I missing a font or something? |
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| [05:14:25] | sphery: | more likely a broken Myth theme |
| [05:17:12] | sphery: | meaning you probably don't have installed the theme you had told Myth to use or it wasn't properly installed |
| [05:17:27] | sphery: | or you're using trunk with a theme that doesn't support trunk |
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| [05:34:16] | nuonguy: | hi sphery |
| [05:34:35] | nuonguy: | I wiped my ~/.mythtv directory but that didn't help |
| [05:34:53] | nuonguy: | is there an OSD font that I need? |
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| [05:35:15] | nuonguy: | are the OSD fonts the ones that pops up the bar when I press pause? |
| [05:38:15] | nuonguy: | I see few error messages; I see is 'Unable to parse themeinfo.xml for glass-wide' |
| [05:38:36] | nuonguy: | I'm not using the glass-wide theme, so I don't know why that pops up |
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| [05:43:26] | wagnerrp: | are you using the glass-wide OSD theme? |
| [05:43:34] | nuonguy: | no |
| [05:43:42] | wagnerrp: | remember... theme and osd are kept separate |
| [05:43:50] | nuonguy: | I've been switching the OSD theme from DVR to classic et al and no change |
| [05:44:12] | wagnerrp: | themeinfo may just be some file it reads to populate the selector in the settings |
| [05:44:39] | nuonguy: | the OSD is the stuff I see when I press pause, right? |
| [05:44:56] | nuonguy: | the O key brings up a transparant menu on the right – that still works correctl |
| [05:45:05] | iamlindoro: | Classic and DVR are menu themes, not OSDs |
| [05:45:07] | wagnerrp: | or play, or fast forward/rewind, or change the channel, or hit info |
| [05:45:45] | nuonguy: | oh, I see |
| [05:46:00] | nuonguy: | so it is the 'menu themes' that are broken on my setup |
| [05:46:05] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [05:46:21] | iamlindoro: | You are just changing a setting and don't know what it does |
| [05:46:30] | wagnerrp: | menu themes merely change the button layouts |
| [05:46:46] | iamlindoro: | or more accurately, changing a setting and expecting it to change something it doesn't |
| [05:46:59] | iamlindoro: | Changing the *actual* OSD would likely be more productive |
| [05:48:19] | nuonguy: | well thank you |
| [05:48:27] | nuonguy: | it's the OSD that is messed up |
| [05:49:23] | iamlindoro: | AFAICT you still haven't changed the OSD |
| [05:49:39] | nuonguy: | you're right, I'm doing that now... |
| [05:49:48] | nuonguy: | sorry for not knowing the terminology |
| [05:52:58] | nuonguy: | thank you, changing the OSD theme fixed it |
| [05:53:34] | nuonguy: | OSD is an acronym for On Screen Display? |
| [05:53:41] | nuonguy: | at least that's what wikipedia says |
| [05:54:53] | nuonguy: | everyone hear happy with pulse audio? |
| [05:55:04] | nuonguy: | I can't seem to get 5.1 going |
| [05:55:16] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah, its great... pulseaudio is the shiznitz |
| [05:55:22] | nuonguy: | for realz? |
| [05:55:46] | nuonguy: | I've been through the guides a couple of times and I can only get sound outta one speaker |
| [05:56:02] | nuonguy: | the pavumeter gui seems to think that all speakers are getting sound |
| [05:56:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its so great, trunk was patched to... erm... disable pulseaudio so myth would function properly |
| [05:56:45] | nuonguy: | why would it need a patch? wouldn't you just disable pulse at the alsa level? |
| [05:57:25] | wagnerrp: | the patch is to forcibly stop pulseaudio if the frontend finds it running |
| [05:57:31] | wagnerrp: | so it can use alsa directly |
| [05:59:52] | nuonguy: | nice |
| [06:00:24] | nuonguy: | does that resolve the issue the sound+video speeding up and slowing down ? |
| [06:01:01] | wagnerrp: | supposedly, the audio would be horribly out-of-sync with the video |
| [06:01:13] | wagnerrp: | pulse has no way of maintaining audio latency |
| [06:02:03] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... MST3k DVD pack on woot |
| [06:02:58] | wagnerrp: | $4/disk for movies you really never want to watch |
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| [06:11:04] | nuonguy: | I never really got MST3K |
| [06:12:01] | wagnerrp: | i used to watch it when i was young... but after a while it lost its charm |
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| [08:33:57] | Gumby: | man oh man this hd-pvr is a headache |
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| [09:24:13] | laga: | so, today is the birthday of superm1, the mythbuntu founder. drop him an email at superm1@ubuntu.com ;) |
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| [09:36:06] | gbee: | will there be cake? |
| [09:36:42] | laga: | that would be most awesome, but i doubt it. :( |
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| [09:42:23] | jduggan: | send him an ascii cake |
| [09:46:03] | Gumby: | anyone here use lirc with an ir blaster? Im trying to figure out how to control an STB using either my MCE blaster or the one on the hd-pvr. |
| [09:46:15] | Gumby: | doesnt seem like there is a lot of good info out there that is current |
| [09:48:29] | juski: | whee been signed off for a week. And I have DRUGS! |
| [09:49:18] | laga: | juski: yay |
| [09:49:30] | juski: | HR dept said "try to get better". FFS |
| [09:50:04] | juski: | as if we're all trying to get sick so we don't have to go to work |
| [09:51:47] | juski: | gonna miss the other technician's last day tomorrow. this couldn't be worse timing |
| [09:52:56] | jduggan: | :/ |
| [09:53:31] | gbee: | Tamiflu? |
| [09:54:57] | gbee: | I was advised against tamiflu by the doctor, common side effects are apparently much worse than the flu symptoms and honestly I wasn't feeling bad enough to need it |
| [09:57:00] | juski: | yeah I read the list of possible side effects. scary |
| [09:57:23] | juski: | may cause nausea, aches, pains, fever... |
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| [09:57:55] | juski: | seems to me like every drug designed to cure something has side effects which are the symptoms of what it's meant to cure |
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| [09:58:34] | juski: | think what they mean is, we didn't have time to test this properly but we think it's ok. Please don't sue us |
| [10:00:37] | juski: | on the plus side, I'll have time to catch up on loads I've not had the chance to look at yet. Such as watching contraband (i.e. scifi films) I've not yet seen & maybe even do some hacking |
| [10:02:30] | juski: | NB.. not the McKinnon sort ;-) |
| [10:02:45] | sid3windr: | mm, what kind of nick is supermoan :o |
| [10:03:02] | juski: | damn, I was thinking about taking that |
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| [10:04:05] | sid3windr: | lol |
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| [10:15:25] | orogor: | gbee, before i go and buy a vdpau card, is there any difference between the vdpau versions? |
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| [10:25:43] | orogor: | doesnty seems i can find this in my version http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/e/e5/GeneralPlayback.jpg |
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| [10:37:25] | gbee: | orogor: it doesn't exist anymore, that screen was replaced with the video profiles |
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| [10:39:32] | orogor: | i was looking for the deinterlacers but apparently we can t choose em anymore |
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| [10:40:19] | ** gbee sighs ** | |
| [10:40:22] | gbee: | yes you can |
| [10:40:26] | juski: | are my eyes deceiving me? somebody on the ML offering constructive ideas to improve mythmusic? |
| [10:40:28] | gbee: | edit the video profile |
| [10:40:34] | gbee: | "Outdated: The information on this page may no longer be relevant to the current version of MythTV." |
| [10:40:48] | gbee: | juski: constructive at this point would mean patches |
| [10:41:42] | juski: | first time I've ever seen ideas fleshed out as far as this though, so it's a good sign |
| [10:42:57] | juski: | pity his web serving is so slow |
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| [10:52:30] | gbee: | juski: well he'll get what I'm prepared to write unless patches are forthcoming, I want to see mythmusic improved but I don't have the time or energy to design by committee |
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| [10:53:25] | gbee: | of course if another dev wants to work on mythmusic they are welcome, but no-one else has shown interest just yet |
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| [10:56:48] | gbee: | sorry, guess I'm just a little stressed atm |
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| [11:05:52] | orogor: | that script seems to not work anymore http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fill_mythvideo_metadata.pl |
| [11:06:03] | orogor: | i get a 1x1 transparent gif pixel |
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| [11:12:37] | orogor: | haa aparently svn is ok |
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| [11:23:31] | mazda01: | i just moved my mythtv install to a new server, moved all the recordings to it also (2 storage directories), and combined all my tuner cards into the new machine. i ran the mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg < mythconverg.sql command and all my recordings schedules are there but when I am in mythweb, the preview images aren't there. did I do something wrong? i can click on it and it doesn't give me the error that says file not found. so |
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| [11:39:43] | mazda01: | nevermind, i changed the host name, that's what i think it is. i'll gogle for changing the host name for mythtv install |
| [11:40:43] | orogor: | anyone around knows some perl ? |
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| [12:12:21] | tmkt: | seem to have found a bug |
| [12:12:40] | tmkt: | a bunch of shows that were added to my recorded programs via MythNetTV |
| [12:12:49] | tmkt: | just won't disapear no matter how many times i delete them |
| [12:12:59] | juski: | ah |
| [12:13:10] | juski: | there's your problem right there |
| [12:13:21] | juski: | I bet you deleted the files directly |
| [12:14:27] | juski: | or if you didn't there's some kind of issue with mythnettv – an unsupported 'plugin' which wriggles files into mythtv in ways it was never designed for. In other words, a kludge |
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| [12:18:06] | tmkt: | yeah..i'm guessing its mythnettv |
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| [12:18:14] | tmkt: | didn't touch the files themselves |
| [12:18:20] | tmkt: | and the previews/files keep comming back |
| [12:18:32] | tmkt: | even though i removed mythnettv long ago |
| [12:18:51] | tmkt: | tempted to just go in the DB and fine all mentions of them and delete them |
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| [12:20:11] | juski: | or maybe it deleted the files & had problems updating the database |
| [12:20:38] | juski: | course, it might even do things properly (kinda) using the myth protocol via perl bindings or somesuch |
| [12:20:47] | tmkt: | do you know table i should take a look in, before i track it down |
| [12:20:56] | juski: | 'recorded' probably |
| [12:21:01] | juski: | and 'program' |
| [12:21:16] | juski: | tread vewy vewy carefuwwy ;-) |
| [12:21:24] | juski: | *twead* |
| [12:22:01] | jduggan: | lol |
| [12:22:20] | jduggan: | that reminds me of 'i tawt i taw a puddy cat, i deed i deed' |
| [12:22:45] | tmkt: | yes sir |
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| [12:56:16] | Powderking: | Hi all |
| [12:57:29] | Powderking: | I have a problem configuring mythtv: I don't know how to get mythfilldatabase running correctly |
| [12:58:40] | Powderking: | mythfilldatabase --manual gives me "... No channels are configured to use grabber ..." |
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| [13:01:00] | test3: | well ... |
| [13:02:33] | test3: | mythfilldb is used to know the broadcast of the channels U have configured BEFORE in mythsetup. |
| [13:02:36] | Powderking: | Do I have to add the channels in the mythtv setup program under channel editor? |
| [13:03:00] | test3: | yes try |
| [13:03:17] | test3: | there also an auto search .. no ? |
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| [13:03:59] | Powderking: | yes, I've let "try-all" run |
| [13:04:37] | Powderking: | Now I have several channels called (Unnamed : 1209) (209) etc. |
| [13:04:48] | test3: | an other thing is to configure card in mythsetup ... and to know if u receive analogical tv or numerical ... |
| [13:05:37] | test3: | good, it gonna b long .. if u newbie like me ... but it works ;) |
| [13:05:41] | test3: | gl |
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| [13:07:39] | Powderking: | Yes, I'm a complete Mythtv noob |
| [13:07:49] | Powderking: | what can I do next? |
| [13:08:15] | Shadow__X: | Powderking: read the manual |
| [13:08:27] | Shadow__X: | you are not done setting it up |
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| [13:10:21] | Powderking: | Shadow_X: I've found some manuals, but I couldn't find the infos I need. Do you refer to: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [13:11:34] | Shadow__X: | Powderking: yes read the section of configuring mythtv |
| [13:11:40] | Shadow__X: | thoroughly and you should be all set |
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| [13:12:14] | Shadow__X: | then read capture cards |
| [13:12:48] | Powderking: | Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure if I'm right there. Backend, forntend... it's all new to me ;-) |
| [13:13:30] | Shadow__X: | Powderking: ok yeah if its all new the best place to start is by thoroughly reading the manual |
| [13:13:36] | Shadow__X: | it explains everything pretty nicely |
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| [13:15:23] | Powderking: | Shadow_X: You're right. But I've found out about IRC chat's yesterday and already like it pretty much :-) I will read it now. Thanks alot! |
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| [13:16:37] | Shadow__X: | Powderking: yup |
| [13:20:35] | mazda01: | i tried the command to change the hostname because I moved my mythtv install to a new machine but when I grepped the mythtv_restore.sql, there were still some places where the old hostname showed up. it's like sed didn't work? this is what I ran; cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'dell\'/\'core2duo\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql |
| [13:22:53] | mazda01: | why is core2duo still showing up in the mythtv_restore.sql file? i am now trying to open the text file with a text editor but it's so large and doing the find and replace is stalling, i guess it's too much for the computer to handle because it's still spinning trying to change all the core2duo to dell. can anyone help me figure out how to change teh hostname core2duo so that it's dell in all locations within the mythtv_restore.sql fi |
| [13:24:56] | anykey_: | you're replacing dell with core2duo, not core2duo with dell |
| [13:25:41] | juski: | hey hey anykey_. Anynews? ;) |
| [13:26:21] | anykey_: | juski: not yet, still getting my mythbox image ready (not much to be done though) |
| [13:26:43] | mazda01: | i want to replace core2duo with dell. i merely folllowed the example from this link: cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'frontend1\'/\'kidsroom\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql. and I thought kidsroom was the old hostname. |
| [13:26:46] | juski: | jus' being nosy :) |
| [13:27:12] | jduggan: | s/new/old/ |
| [13:27:18] | jduggan: | erm |
| [13:27:21] | jduggan: | no |
| [13:27:23] | jduggan: | other way |
| [13:27:55] | anykey_: | echo foo | sed 's/foo/bar/g' will spit out bar |
| [13:28:10] | mazda01: | jduggan: so the example is wrong then? because the example I thought is saying that kidsroom is the old name. |
| [13:28:39] | jduggan: | kidsroom is new |
| [13:28:46] | anykey_: | juski: don't expect too much, I'll probably fail on that buttonlist once again... |
| [13:29:09] | juski: | s'ok I'm praying you'll beat it :) |
| [13:29:50] | mazda01: | oh, i read the example wrong, they're merely telling me to ensure that kidsroom isn't already in the file. will re-run it. |
| [13:30:04] | juski: | I'm just reading through menu code now. Want to do away with one of those pesky menu buttons once & for all |
| [13:31:35] | anykey_: | juski: you said that it's just the parent that would need some sizing, true? |
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| [13:32:44] | juski: | think si |
| [13:32:46] | juski: | *so |
| [13:32:53] | juski: | there could be more to it I dunno |
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| [13:35:38] | anykey_: | maybe I'll try to keep MythUIButtonList out of the picture and just try to size a single button |
| [13:35:54] | juski: | I can't really concentrate right now, but I reckon once the parent size(s) is/are updated with the textarea size (increase or decrease), then all we need do is change the way visible items & positions are calculated (the latter by getting the area) |
| [13:36:15] | mazda01: | what is the big deal if the new hostname I am trying to use is already in the database? in this link, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15, it says this; Rename the host in the database. First, ensure that the new hostname you'll be using isn't already in the database. |
| [13:36:30] | juski: | anykey_: the key is changing the parent item(s) size |
| [13:37:01] | mazda01: | i am asking because i didn't change the hostname right away after I moved mythtv, so now the database has some recordings from the old hostname and some with the new hostname. |
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| [13:37:46] | juski: | maybe the hack I made already did it – the thing is the child elements were parsed *after* the main buttons were placed – that worries me a little |
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| [13:38:19] | juski: | might involve a lot more work. It'd still be well worth the effort though |
| [13:38:55] | juski: | I also have an idea for an analogue clock eating away at me |
| [13:39:54] | anykey_: | juski: definitly going to have a look at that again, I really want my theme to look the way I intend it to |
| [13:40:40] | juski: | AFAIK none of our 'competitors' UI engines can do this either |
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| [13:43:00] | juski: | never know, it might even pave the way for collapsible areas too, something else I've dreamed of for ages |
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| [13:48:13] | mazda01: | can someone help me please. i used to have slave backend and a master backend. i am trying to change celeron and core2duo hostnames in the mythconverg database so that they both are dell. can I issue a sed command that will change all locations of celeron and core2duo so that they read dell? OR will I lose recordings or whatever? |
| [13:48:54] | anykey_: | mazda01: as I said: sed 's/old/new/g' |
| [13:50:39] | j-rod: | blindly replacing entries for two hosts to make them all the same host is bound to be utter fail |
| [13:50:55] | j-rod: | you'll have duplicate settings for the same host |
| [13:51:22] | j-rod: | one-for-one replacement works just fine though |
| [13:51:35] | j-rod: | I've done that numerous times by simply issuing mysql statements |
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| [13:55:23] | mazda01: | anykey_: i want to change 2 hostnames though. I thought >> meant that it will append the info into the file. so if I first run cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'core2duo\'/\'dell\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql and then I run cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'celeron\'/\'dell\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql will this work?????? |
| [13:57:20] | anykey_: | probably not |
| [13:57:20] | juski: | it might just be easier in the long run to take the stuff you want (i.e. recorded etc) and start from scratch |
| [13:58:00] | laga: | no!!!!!!11eleven |
| [14:01:28] | mazda01: | juski: how would I do that. is there some script that will import all the recordings i have located on dell? we're talking about 180 recordings or more. i used to hgave a master backend that shared recordings to the slave via nfs, so previously all recordings were kept on the master. i have 2 storage directories which previously were shared to the slave via nfs. BUT now I have only one master backend called dell with all the tuner ca |
| [14:02:06] | juski: | no there's no script |
| [14:02:24] | juski: | it's generally assumed that users don't move things around |
| [14:02:58] | j-rod: | suckage... this gf 9600gt I picked up... now I know why its 'refurbished'... |
| [14:03:08] | j-rod: | er, rather, why it was returned in the first place |
| [14:03:15] | j-rod: | only the first head actually works |
| [14:03:29] | brad2: | jrod: that blows! |
| [14:03:31] | juski: | return to vendor :) |
| [14:03:38] | brad2: | but thanks for the advice on the 9500gt, am loving it! |
| [14:03:56] | juski: | then back into the loop it goes. amazing how they save money |
| [14:04:40] | j-rod: | brad2: cool, good to hear |
| [14:05:10] | mazda01: | so you're saying that i can't somehow change the hostnames in the .sql file from celeron and core2duo to dell? |
| [14:05:29] | j-rod: | juski: yeah, I need to see what newegg's return policy is on refurb stuff... hopefully it wasn't "you're stupid enough to buy this refurb stuff, if it doesn't work, you keep the pieces..." |
| [14:06:07] | j-rod: | back to the radeon x1900xt in this box |
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| [14:08:52] | janneg: | mazda01: sphery has support for changing hostnames in his backup/restore scripts |
| [14:09:42] | juski: | sadly it's a kludge but currently the best way to do it |
| [14:10:07] | mazda01: | janneg: i need to change 2 hostnames to one. i am using this command cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'frontend1\'/\'kidsroom\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql |
| [14:10:08] | mazda01: | but I thought >> only appends changes and not overwrites. is that not true? |
| [14:11:20] | juski: | mazda01: changing ONE hostname to another is not a bad idea |
| [14:11:25] | janneg: | mazda01: change one with the script and change then the hostname in the recorded table for the other one |
| [14:11:33] | juski: | trying to merge two backends into one... erm.. |
| [14:12:15] | janneg: | replacing both cries for trouble sinc eit will probably intoduce duplicate setting entries |
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| [14:16:48] | mazda01: | juski: yes, I had a slave backend and master backend sharing recordings via nfs. now I moved everything into one machine. and trying to save over 180 recordings. i noticed that celeron is in the backup.sql file. is that info most likely only about the pvr-500 being in celeron previously? |
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| [14:20:16] | juski: | so with the sed stuff change the OLD master backend hostname to 'Dell' (if 'Dell' is indeed the new hostname) |
| [14:20:57] | juski: | then as janneg said, use mysql to change the old slave backend hostname in the 'recorded' table to 'Dell' (if 'Dell' is the new hostname) |
| [14:21:55] | juski: | you might also have to update the paths of the old slave backend recordings too |
| [14:22:17] | mazda01: | i understand that but I keep asking about the ">>" part of the command. doesn't >> append info to a file and not overwrite it? so shouldn't the second time I run the command it should be run liek this: cat mythtv_restore.sql | sed s/\'celeron\'/\'dell\'/g > mythtv_restore.sql |
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| [14:23:02] | juski: | do it into a new file to be on the safe side :) |
| [14:23:31] | mazda01: | and then what as far as importing into the new mythconverg database? |
| [14:23:44] | juski: | importing into the new database? |
| [14:24:10] | juski: | so you went & started again? |
| [14:24:18] | mazda01: | yeah, after I change teh hostname in the .sql file, it says the next step is to run; mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythtv_restore.sql |
| [14:24:40] | mazda01: | i am following this guide here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 |
| [14:24:44] | juski: | that'd do it |
| [14:25:21] | mazda01: | so i am asking, if I run mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg < mythtv_restore.sql the first time with the first file, then I need to run it again???? |
| [14:25:29] | janneg: | gbee: http://www.videoweb.de/ (german internet enabled STB) uses the same/similar clipart for "watch recordings" as Terra |
| [14:26:30] | juski: | mazda01: what first file? |
| [14:26:48] | juski: | mazda01: right. you've got A restore file from the original master backend, right? |
| [14:27:13] | juski: | mazda01: update every mention of the old MASTER backend hostname with the new one |
| [14:27:21] | juski: | then import that into mythconverg |
| [14:27:42] | mazda01: | juski: you told me to do it into a new file to be on the safe side |
| [14:27:51] | juski: | same difference |
| [14:28:05] | juski: | you import the *resulting* file into mythconverg |
| [14:28:09] | mazda01: | so i have 2 files now per your instruction |
| [14:28:21] | mazda01: | i have to change 2 hostnames. |
| [14:28:48] | juski: | yes but you can only change ONE |
| [14:29:16] | juski: | as janneg said if you change both all through the database you'll end up with duplicate settings and that is BAD |
| [14:29:34] | juski: | so what you really need to do is only change the old MBE hostname globally |
| [14:29:52] | juski: | then update the recorded table to change the old SLAVE backend hostname to the new hostname |
| [14:30:21] | mazda01: | juski: oh, that sucks! i'll give it a try changing the masterback hostname to a new hsotname. then i supose I'll have to run myth.find-orphans.pl. how do I only update the recording table to change teh old slave backend to a new hostname? |
| [14:30:46] | juski: | are you even listening? |
| [14:31:14] | juski: | say the old MASTER backend was called JOHN |
| [14:31:35] | juski: | run the script to change every occurence of JOHN to DELL or whatever the new MBE hostname is |
| [14:31:41] | juski: | then import that |
| [14:31:50] | juski: | then you're done with that script |
| [14:31:54] | mazda01: | yes, change the masterbackend hostname using cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'core2duo\'/\'dell\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql, then I have to run some command to change the recording table from the old slave backend hostname to the new hostname but I dopn't know how to do that |
| [14:32:07] | mazda01: | juski: ok, with you so far |
| [14:32:40] | juski: | something like UPDATE recorded SET hostname="dell" WHERE hostname="foo"; where 'foo' is the old SLAVE backend hostname |
| [14:33:22] | juski: | or to do that from a commandline mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='foo';" |
| [14:33:53] | juski: | you might also have to change the storage group / base path of the old SBE recordings too |
| [14:34:07] | juski: | but that'll be a similar thing to what I've just said |
| [14:35:30] | juski: | did you move all the recordings to the same location? |
| [14:35:37] | mazda01: | when i tried to import the mythtv_restore.sql file into the mythconverg database I get this error: ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 399: Duplicate entry 'CPU++-dell' for key 1 |
| [14:36:42] | mazda01: | juski: yes, all recordings are in the same exact path as previous. /media/500gb/recordings/ and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/ |
| [14:36:54] | juski: | so two storage groups? |
| [14:37:18] | juski: | they should be fine then if only the hostname has changed |
| [14:37:53] | mazda01: | juski: yes, 2 storage groups. do you have any idea why I am getting that error when I try to import the mythtv_restore.sql file into mythconverg? |
| [14:38:02] | juski: | yup. it's not empty |
| [14:38:13] | mazda01: | and now I dropped the database so there's no getting it back. i now only have a mythtv_backup.sql file. |
| [14:38:44] | juski: | and if it still fails because of duplicated keys, you're screwed |
| [14:39:06] | juski: | not entirely, but I'd call it a big setback |
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| [14:39:41] | janneg: | mazda01: you already started mythtv with the new hostname? you can't change the old hostname to the new one then |
| [14:40:00] | mazda01: | janneg: no, didn't start mythtv-backend yet. |
| [14:40:12] | mazda01: | i got that error about duplicate entries???? |
| [14:42:09] | mazda01: | can I get rid of that duplicate entry somehow? i dropped the database, so the duplicate entry must be in the mythtv_restore.sql file. why would that be? |
| [14:42:33] | mazda01: | will that error cause problems? |
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| [14:44:30] | mazda01: | janneg: oh, i see what you're saying. yes, after I moved all the stuff to the new machine, I did start up mythtv-backend and ran it a day or so. so there are some recordings with the new hostname. i do have a backup though that doesn't contain any of the new hostnames at all. i'll just loise the last couple days of recordings. no biggy, i'll run the hostname change command on the backup fill I have from before I started up the new mc |
| [14:44:32] | mazda01: | thanks |
| [14:45:42] | janneg: | mazda01: ok, then just change the all the recordings to the new hostname |
| [14:46:34] | janneg: | mazda01: that's your main interest right? moving all recordings to the new host |
| [14:48:49] | mazda01: | yes |
| [14:49:26] | j-rod: | juski: for the record, newegg is perfectly willing to take back the defective card and replace it |
| [14:51:08] | mazda01: | janneg: well, I still have the slave backend hostname issue. I need to run that command for chsnaging the recording table right? |
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| [14:52:50] | j-rod: | ryanjohnston: just out of curiosity... you're not G. Ryan Johnston, are you? wondering if I know ya from a past life... :) |
| [14:52:57] | janneg: | mazda01: UPDATE recorded SET hostname='new' WHERE hostname='old_1'; |
| [14:53:20] | janneg: | and repeat that with old_2 instead of old_1 |
| [14:53:43] | mazda01: | janneg: ok, thanks. i don't need to update privileges do i? because the page I am following says something about Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems. |
| [14:53:44] | ryanjohnston: | j-rod: sorry – that's not me :) |
| [14:53:46] | janneg: | mazda01: that's the issue with the slave backend hostname? |
| [14:54:16] | j-rod: | ryanjohnston: I figured not, but thought I'd ask, just in case |
| [14:59:38] | mazda01: | janneg: before I run the command PDATE recorded SET hostname='new' WHERE hostname='old_1'; do i first need to issue use mythconverg; |
| [15:00:14] | janneg: | depends how you start the mysql client |
| [15:00:32] | mazda01: | janneg: oh, so I don't even need to run the sed command? if I just use the command above? |
| [15:00:53] | janneg: | if it's mysql -p mythconverg you don't need to but it doesn't hurt |
| [15:01:03] | janneg: | no sed needed |
| [15:01:04] | mazda01: | janneg: true, i usually just issue mysql -u root -p BUT i know that I can append mythconverg on the end |
| [15:01:38] | mazda01: | janneg: ok, cool. will try. BUT are the hostname defined for the tuner cards as well? |
| [15:01:54] | janneg: | make sure that the directories where the recordings are saved are in the storage group |
| [15:02:29] | wagnerrp: | awesome... vira spammed on -users |
| [15:02:39] | janneg: | mazda01: yes but it's probably easier to recreate them |
| [15:02:44] | mazda01: | janneg: I remeber when I imported the database a few days ago, the storage group directories weren't defined and I had to add them |
| [15:03:09] | mazda01: | janneg: so just delete all capture cards? |
| [15:05:29] | mazda01: | ok, so I have a backup from thursday before I moved anything. I am trying to figure out the order of the steps I need to perform. first I drop the database, then I import the thursday backup file (i know I will lose all the recordings from teh last couple days, no biggy since i'll be hopefully saving 180 recordings), then I need to run the command to change the recorded set table command. then I need to go into mythtv-backend setup |
| [15:05:37] | mazda01: | is that right? |
| [15:06:11] | juski: | you could always export the 'recorded' table from the recent database, then you won't lose em |
| [15:06:44] | juski: | same principle as getting your 180 recordings back in :) |
| [15:07:01] | mazda01: | juski: no big deal. I just want this over with and my mythtv backend up and running again. i want mythweb working again where it shows the thumbnails of all the recordings etc etc. |
| [15:09:36] | mazda01: | is that the right order of the steps? |
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| [15:13:24] | mazda01: | that's weird, when I issued the comamnd UPDATE recorded SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='core2duo';, it said zero rows affected. why is that?> |
| [15:13:39] | mazda01: | when I issue UPDATE recorded SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='celeron'; i get 21 rows affected. |
| [15:14:28] | jams: | maybe you should run a select first to check that there are rows to be updated. |
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| [15:15:37] | mazda01: | is there any other command to run to change teh hostname from core2duo to dell? i am trying to change hostnames from a slave backend and a masterbackend celeron and core2duo to new hostname named dell. |
| [15:16:17] | mazda01: | besides the UPDATE recorded that is? |
| [15:19:02] | mazda01: | anyone help please? |
| [15:19:55] | iamlindoro: | calm down |
| [15:20:17] | mazda01: | im calm. |
| [15:20:17] | iamlindoro: | Begging for help will get you nowhere-- you are *getting* help, but this is not Live Chat Customer Support |
| [15:20:37] | mazda01: | iamlindoro: not begging, merely asking. |
| [15:20:41] | iamlindoro: | so stop asking new questions every five seconds, and don't say stuff like "anyone help please?" |
| [15:21:31] | iamlindoro: | Ask a question, wait *up to an hour* before asking the same question a new way |
| [15:24:03] | mazda01: | can I run sed to change two hostnames at once? |
| [15:24:35] | laga: | i'm sure you can use "man sed" to get the documentation |
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| [15:25:37] | wagnerrp: | using 'sed' to forcefully change hostnames in a dump file is ill advised |
| [15:25:57] | wagnerrp: | the risk of damaging something is too high |
| [15:26:04] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: oh, just reading the mythtv documentation. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html |
| [15:27:31] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: can you maybe help me. i have a mythconverg backup file where the file was for a slave backend and master backend. trying to convert the mythconverg backup file so that it's for only one hostname now. they were celeron and core2duo, adn the new hostname is now dell. |
| [15:28:50] | wagnerrp: | and whats this about recovering off a backup... is your database fubar'd? |
| [15:29:26] | j-rod: | oh fun. |
| [15:29:53] | j-rod: | I think the 9600gt is just a bit power-hungry |
| [15:30:15] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: it's not fubar'd. it's that i moved mythtv from a slave backend and master backend to one main master backend. I have a backup file from thursday that I am trying to work with because I have 180 recordings I want saved along with all my recording schedules etc etc. |
| [15:30:20] | tank-man: | mazda01, what is the sed line you tried to use? |
| [15:30:37] | wagnerrp: | so why not just use the current database? |
| [15:30:38] | j-rod: | still only get one head lit up in the bios |
| [15:30:53] | j-rod: | but when I switched to another box w/a larger psu, X lights up both heads |
| [15:30:57] | juski: | mazda01: how many more frickin times?! |
| [15:31:02] | j-rod: | 460w -> 750w |
| [15:31:12] | juski: | mazda01: you've already been told several times what you need to do |
| [15:31:12] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: the current database calls for hostnames celeron and core2duo. I moved the database to a new machine. |
| [15:31:18] | juski: | and WHY you need to do them |
| [15:31:30] | wagnerrp: | so fix the current database |
| [15:31:36] | wagnerrp: | and stop screwing around with the backup |
| [15:31:39] | mazda01: | tank-man: i tried this per the mythtv documentation: cat mythtv_backup.sql | sed s/\'frontend1\'/\'kidsroom\'/g >> mythtv_restore.sql |
| [15:31:50] | juski: | everybody stop |
| [15:31:55] | tank-man: | . |
| [15:31:57] | juski: | we're going around in circles |
| [15:32:19] | j-rod: | hrm, no cancel rma option, guess I just let it expire then |
| [15:32:25] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: im not sure what you're saying. i moved the mysql server from one hard drive to a new hard drive in a new machine. so I first backed up the amarok and mythconverg databases. |
| [15:32:27] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: even if you were using a backup file, do you not understand how to create a new backup? |
| [15:32:30] | tank-man: | 23.7 Moving your data to new hardware http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 |
| [15:32:52] | juski: | good luckk helping that dolt. goodbye |
| [15:32:54] | wagnerrp: | you never want to move a mysql database |
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| [15:33:12] | wagnerrp: | again... risk for damage is too high |
| [15:33:30] | wagnerrp: | binary copies are a bad idea |
| [15:33:39] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i didn't have a choice. needed to move to new hardware. |
| [15:33:53] | wagnerrp: | you backup on the source machine, restore on the destination |
| [15:33:55] | sid3windr: | [03|17:30:37] <+j-rod> still only get one head lit up in the bios |
| [15:34:02] | sid3windr: | this is the same on my 9600GT and my wife's 9800GT |
| [15:34:16] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:34:27] | gbee: | and my 8200 |
| [15:35:12] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, but I am combining a slave backend and master backend setup to one master backend setup. and the sed command for changing hostnames is for only changing one hostname |
| [15:35:47] | tank-man: | mazda01, did you look at that link I pasteed a few lines up? |
| [15:35:55] | mazda01: | juski: i am not a dolt. I don't appreciate being called names. I am trying to listen to whoever is trying to help me. |
| [15:36:16] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: well... you did miss his part message |
| [15:36:25] | mazda01: | tank-man: yes, I did. that doesn't say anything about changing hostnames. I can that link you gave me but what abou the hostnames. |
| [15:36:26] | tank-man: | the title of the article is "Moving your data to new hardware" .. that sounds like what you want to do |
| [15:36:29] | wagnerrp: | * juski has quit ("leaving") |
| [15:36:53] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: lets start over fresh.... |
| [15:37:00] | wagnerrp: | do you still have the original machine with the original database? |
| [15:37:17] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, thank you very much. i'll listen very carefully. I appreciate your patience with me. |
| [15:38:16] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: no I don't. i removed the mysql server from that machine. |
| [15:39:01] | wagnerrp: | then start up the destination server, see if it works fine |
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| [15:39:46] | wagnerrp: | but for future reference, it is not good to do binary copies of mysql databases between machines |
| [15:39:47] | orogor: | gahh tomato and mozza ,i am full |
| [15:39:53] | mazda01: | it didn't, I didn't have any thumbnails in mythweb for all the recordings and I thought it was related to the fact that I didn't change the hostname |
| [15:39:55] | wagnerrp: | too much a chance for incompatibility |
| [15:40:22] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: the information in the database may be wrong, but it was all there... thats what im asking |
| [15:40:32] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: binary copies should be fine as long as mysql was closed |
| [15:40:34] | orogor: | up for the mojito now |
| [15:40:35] | sid3windr: | actually |
| [15:40:47] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: no, they wont always be |
| [15:40:47] | orogor: | sid3windr, and ity stays on the same machine |
| [15:41:05] | wagnerrp: | next time, you should use 'mysqldump' to dump to a backup file, and the restore to the remote machine |
| [15:41:18] | sid3windr: | and why wouldn't they be? |
| [15:41:44] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: because its a binary copy of the database |
| [15:41:46] | sid3windr: | exactly |
| [15:41:47] | orogor: | sid3windr, cant think of an awtual exmple but from a littlle indian arm machine to a big endian amd64 i doubt iot works |
| [15:41:53] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, yes. the database is all wrong, that's what I am trying to fix. I did do a mysqldump using automysqlbackup.sh. so I have a backup of the database but it referes to a slave backend and master backend setup. that's what I am trying to fox |
| [15:41:56] | mazda01: | fox = fix |
| [15:42:00] | wagnerrp: | and that changes between revisions of mysql, and between architecture changes |
| [15:42:02] | sid3windr: | I copied binary from i386 to amd64 without issues, orogor |
| [15:42:06] | sid3windr: | don't know about endianness though |
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| [15:42:21] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: luckily mysql is very backward compatible with its structure and will upgrade on the fly if needed |
| [15:42:28] | sid3windr: | obviously you don't want 5.0 binary data in 4.1 |
| [15:42:29] | j-rod: | sid3windr: ah, good to know. my trusty old gf 6600gt (and all my other dual-head cards) light up both in the bios |
| [15:42:30] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: i dont care if the information is incorrect, i just want to know that it is there |
| [15:42:35] | linex: | hello |
| [15:42:38] | linex: | What is similar projects like mythtv ? |
| [15:42:44] | wagnerrp: | and the database itself is functioning properly |
| [15:42:47] | ** j-rod heads out the door for a proper lunch for once... ** | |
| [15:42:52] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, i have a backup of mythconverg using mysqldump |
| [15:43:02] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:43:03] | tank-man: | linex, put the search term "pvr" into google |
| [15:43:06] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: you have an old version, you dont want to use it |
| [15:43:18] | linex: | tank-man: thanks |
| [15:43:28] | wagnerrp: | ignore that backup, its an old copy, you wont be touching it |
| [15:43:35] | orogor: | about the hostname thing , how many instances of the hostname is there supposed to be in the database? |
| [15:43:37] | iamlindoro: | Why would one come to the Myth channel and ask for alternatives? |
| [15:43:43] | orogor: | maybe he can manually replace them |
| [15:43:46] | tank-man: | troll :) |
| [15:43:49] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: when you say the database is functioning properly. I am not sure what you mean? yes, mysql has a database in it called mythconverg. I am not changing mysql server versions |
| [15:43:53] | iamlindoro: | alternatives are you figure it out your dumb ass self |
| [15:44:06] | wagnerrp: | orogor: thats what im going to walk him through, once he confirms that the binary copy worked fine |
| [15:44:29] | linex: | I want to make a box to play movies. I don't need it to be able to record anything from the TV. Is MythTV for me ? |
| [15:44:35] | orogor: | mazda01, can you access the database with phpmyadmin for exemple |
| [15:44:43] | orogor: | or do any quzery on it |
| [15:44:52] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, I had imported the mythconverg backup into the new mysql server and everything appears to work but i was missing the thumbnails in mythweb for all my reocrdings |
| [15:45:09] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i am listening to you not orogor |
| [15:45:11] | tank-man: | linex, wdtv, popcornhour, xbox1+xbmc |
| [15:45:24] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: hes trying to ask the same question |
| [15:45:24] | orogor: | :/ |
| [15:45:33] | linex: | xbox out of the question. I don;t have one. |
| [15:45:47] | wagnerrp: | so when you say you recovered the backup, does that mean you are now using the old version of the database, or the current version of the database? |
| [15:45:48] | mazda01: | i know, but i can't get help from 2 people so I am listening to you |
| [15:45:50] | linex: | I will checl out wdtv ad pocornhour. |
| [15:46:43] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i imported the mysqldump file into mythconverg, yes |
| [15:47:20] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: but what file??? the one with multiple hostnames? or the one with a single hostname? |
| [15:47:28] | linex: | tank-man: These are ready made boxes you are talking about. I want to make one. |
| [15:47:40] | wagnerrp: | you did a binary copy of the database |
| [15:47:45] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: the one with mutiple hostnames. |
| [15:47:50] | wagnerrp: | and then you recovered a backup on top of it? |
| [15:48:11] | wagnerrp: | without removing the original database? |
| [15:48:20] | linex: | tank-man: why do you think I'm in this channel ? |
| [15:48:30] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i am not sure what a binary copy means. I used automysqlbackup.sh, so I have a .sql file for each of the databases that where in the mysql server |
| [15:48:46] | wagnerrp: | how did you move the database from one machine to the other, originally |
| [15:49:15] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: no, I didn't recover the backup on top of it, i first droppped the mythconverg database that the install of mythtv created. |
| [15:50:07] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i copied the mythconverg.sql file over smb to the new machine from the old machine |
| [15:50:33] | wagnerrp: | ok, so you did transfer the database properly (rather than doing a binary copy) |
| [15:50:49] | wagnerrp: | and now you have a database containing the last information available when mythtv was last run on the old system? |
| [15:53:47] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, i followed mythtv documentation for backing up the old database, then dropping the mythconverg database on the new machine, and then importing the .sql file into a newly created mythconverg database using create database mythconverg; |
| [15:54:24] | tank-man: | did you backup both machines to one file? |
| [15:54:25] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i also did UPDATE recorded SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='core2duo'; |
| [15:54:27] | mazda01: | and UPDATE recorded SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='celeron'; |
| [15:55:10] | wagnerrp: | that should be all that is necessary to move the recordings |
| [15:55:26] | mazda01: | tank-man: both machines? why would I backup the slave, there's no mysql server in the slave and the recordings are stored on the master backend which are now in the same folders on the new machine as they were on the old machine.. if that makes sense |
| [15:55:41] | tank-man: | yea sorry :) |
| [15:55:58] | tank-man: | I forgot theres one mysql server |
| [15:56:08] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: oh, ok. so I just open mythtv-backend setup and delete all capture cards and recreate them so that they are defined with the new hostnames? |
| [15:56:21] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [15:56:28] | mazda01: | tank-man: i think i'll stay listening to wagnerrp |
| [15:56:42] | wagnerrp: | you may want to do a similar update from 'settings' to copy off the old master backend |
| [15:57:00] | wagnerrp: | make sure you add back the storage groups |
| [15:57:06] | wagnerrp: | under the same group name |
| [15:58:12] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: are you saying to run UPDATE settings SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='core2duo'; |
| [15:58:13] | mazda01: | and run UPDATE settings SET hostname='dell' WHERE hostname='celeron'; |
| [15:58:29] | wagnerrp: | no... just one or the other |
| [15:58:39] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: what do you mean same group name? i just use default storage group and define the 2 locations |
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| [15:58:55] | wagnerrp: | 'Default' would be the group name |
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| [15:59:12] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: what do you mean one or the other? i had 2 backends with 2 different hostnames. core2duo and celeron are now just dell. |
| [15:59:22] | wagnerrp: | flush out anything in settings under the 'dell' name before copying 'core2duo' on top of it |
| [16:00:04] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from settings where hostname="dell"; update settings set hostname="dell" where hostname="core2duo";' |
| [16:00:27] | wagnerrp: | you may as well delete the 'celeron' settings as well |
| [16:00:31] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: im really sorry but I don't understand what that means? my old hostnames were celeron and core2duo and new hostname is dell |
| [16:01:40] | wagnerrp: | you cannot copy multiple settings to one machine |
| [16:01:52] | wagnerrp: | you only want to copy the master backend setup to the new machine |
| [16:02:00] | wagnerrp: | or you can ignore everything, and start fresh |
| [16:02:08] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i should run the above command even though there shouldn't be any settings with the hostname dell? |
| [16:02:21] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i am trying to follow you but I don't know mysql mythtv as much as you. |
| [16:02:52] | wagnerrp: | you need to delete any current 'dell' settings before copying 'core2duo' onto it |
| [16:03:03] | wagnerrp: | you do not want duplicate lines in the database |
| [16:03:39] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: so as it stands right now, I have dropped the database that mythtv install created, I created a new database called mythconverg, then i imported the backup mythconverg into the new mythconverg I just created. I have not started mythtv-backend yet. I did run the UPDATE recorded commands btu that's it so far. |
| [16:04:22] | orogor: | i d say do another dump and grep for the old hostname in the dump |
| [16:04:33] | orogor: | on the new machine |
| [16:04:49] | wagnerrp: | orogor: if you do that, you run the risk of changing things that you shouldnt |
| [16:05:11] | wagnerrp: | which with the old name 'core2duo', theres not much likelihood in that, but its still improper |
| [16:05:14] | orogor: | doing a dump and a grep , that doesn t change anything |
| [16:06:05] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, i ran the command from settings where hostname="dell"; update settings set hostname="dell" where hostname="core2duo"; and after the second command it said 0 zero rows affected. is that bad? |
| [16:06:24] | mazda01: | when I ran the first part of the command, it said that 430 rows affected. |
| [16:06:55] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i may not be understanding, sorry. |
| [16:07:05] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i am trying my hardest to follow you because I really want your help. |
| [16:07:33] | Powderking: | I'm configuring mythtv and am not sure about mythfilldatabase: before I can use "mythfilldatabase --manual" do I have to use somehow a grabber? And is it important to chosse the correct channel ID? |
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| [16:10:04] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, i am going to start again. i just dropped the database and created it again. i have a file called mythconverg_2009-07–30_00h05m.Thursday.sql so I going to run this command. mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg < mythconverg_2009-07–30_00h05m.Thursday.sql |
| [16:10:12] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: what now? |
| [16:10:21] | wagnerrp: | dont, you want to use the current one |
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| [16:10:31] | orogor: | humm i ve found a 8400GS for 50€ at the local store unfortunally wikipedia isn t clear about whch version supports gdpau or not |
| [16:11:43] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: i already dropped it. so now I have a mythconverg database that was imported from the backup file from thursday which has the definitions for the multiple backends setup. what next? |
| [16:12:18] | tank-man: | I bought that same card last year for under $50CAD :) and it does support vdpau but I don't use it |
| [16:12:21] | wagnerrp: | but all recordings are from the one machine? |
| [16:12:40] | wagnerrp: | orogor: all versions of that card support vdpau |
| [16:12:50] | wagnerrp: | all 8-series and better support vdpau |
| [16:12:55] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, they were all stored on the master backend in 2 locations on that server which was sharing to the slave via nfs. |
| [16:13:13] | orogor: | wagnerrp, Geforce 8400 GS G98 VP3[14] SUPPORTED Note that only newer cards use the G98 chip, so check before purchase. |
| [16:13:15] | wagnerrp: | except for the original G80 8800GTX, 8800GTS-320, and 8800GTS-640 |
| [16:13:19] | orogor: | thats the wikipedia line about them |
| [16:13:30] | wagnerrp: | orogor: that doesnt matter anymore |
| [16:13:37] | orogor: | plsu 50€ is expensive fort hat |
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| [16:13:39] | orogor: | haa |
| [16:13:44] | wagnerrp: | the G98 chip used to be the only one that supported VC1 |
| [16:13:56] | wagnerrp: | however the missing bits from the other decoders are now written into the drivers |
| [16:14:02] | wagnerrp: | so all VDPAU cards function the same |
| [16:14:07] | orogor: | cool |
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| [16:14:42] | wagnerrp: | mazda01: i mean up to that backup, were all recordings done by a single machine |
| [16:14:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont care where they were stored |
| [16:15:10] | tank-man: | he said he had a slave backend |
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| [16:15:39] | wagnerrp: | but he said he had a recent backup missing a couple recordings, where all the recordings had only been performed by the master |
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| [16:15:51] | wagnerrp: | the slave backend was something very recent |
| [16:16:27] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: oh, no sorry. the slave has been involved from the begining. i thought you were asking if some of the recordings were kept on the slave? |
| [16:16:56] | wagnerrp: | storage location is irrelevant |
| [16:17:06] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, i didn't know that |
| [16:18:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, it would probably be a good idea to drop all settings and all storage groups, and start fresh |
| [16:18:59] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from settings; delete from storagegroup;' |
| [16:19:18] | wagnerrp: | youre going to start fresh, but that shouldnt take too long to add the settings back |
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| [16:19:38] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, i am ready to do that, i haven't started mythtv yet. i imported the backup file and that is all. what settings will I have to recreate, not sure what you mean? |
| [16:19:57] | wagnerrp: | delete the existing cards from within mythtv-setup, as that will restart the indexing as well |
| [16:20:01] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: and don't I need to update the hostnames for the recordings? |
| [16:20:05] | wagnerrp: | video sources should be fine |
| [16:20:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, update the hostnames for the recordings |
| [16:20:43] | wagnerrp: | but 'recorded' is the only table for recordings where the hostname shows up |
| [16:21:00] | wagnerrp: | so that should be the only table you have to edit |
| [16:21:13] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, what settings will I lose? |
| [16:21:28] | wagnerrp: | once you add storage group folders for the new machine, mythbackend should just automagically find the recordings |
| [16:22:23] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, updated the hostname in teh recorded table |
| [16:22:28] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, just do the 'update settings set hostname="dell" where hostname="core2duo";' |
| [16:22:43] | wagnerrp: | the only reason that wouldnt work is if you didnt use 'core2duo' as the hostname |
| [16:24:48] | mazda01: | wagnerrp, i ran update settings set hostname="dell" where hostname="core2duo"; and it said 430 rows affected. now should I open mythtv-setup to add the storage directories and delete all cards and readd them? |
| [16:25:14] | wagnerrp: | delete all cards, not just 'all cards from this host' |
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| [16:38:20] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: will do. |
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| [16:52:15] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, i opened mythfrontend and it saying that it can't connec tto master backend. i must not have gone into the mythtv setup and set the general settings. i'll be back. i just thought of that as I was typing. i only deleted the capture cards and setup the 2 storage locations |
| [16:54:41] | sphery: | *mazda01 gives sphery an idea of how to make the hostname change better... |
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| [16:56:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: delete old cards and storage groups? |
| [16:58:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, erm... why would we need to add to the rewrite base? |
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| [16:59:15] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [16:59:38] | sphery: | no, if someone is changing hostname core2duo to Dell, look up the backend server IP for core2duo and offer to change the master server ip if it matches |
| [17:00:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6466#comment:2 |
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| [17:01:31] | wagnerrp: | my mythweb is located at http://mythweb.domain.com, instead of http://domain.com/mythweb |
| [17:01:31] | ** sphery realizes he hasn't had enough sleep... ** | |
| [17:01:45] | sphery: | mazda01: actually, if you had done the hostname change properly all would have worked |
| [17:01:49] | ** iamlindoro knocks sphery unconscious for his own good ** | |
| [17:02:06] | wagnerrp: | i had to use rewrite base to get a couple things to work properly, with the change in basename |
| [17:02:06] | sphery: | mazda01: oh, and I hope you ended up using the scripts instead of the directions in the howto, as the directions in the howto will corrupt data |
| [17:02:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and so the url to stream from is mythweb.domain.com/mythweb? |
| [17:02:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i dont remember what offhand had trouble with it |
| [17:02:40] | kormoc: | ooh, that wasn't you commenting... |
| [17:03:11] | sphery: | (Unless, of course, you're using a misconfigured MySQL/Gentoo MySQL host, in which case, the instructions on the howto will uncorrupt data, but then your broken config will corrupt data on reading and insert new corrupt data, so you'll have a terrible mess that makes upgrading to 0.22 near impossible :) |
| [17:03:43] | sphery: | the 0.22 upgrade is gonna be a lotta fun |
| [17:05:01] | sphery: | does mark k not realize that in the summer in the US, pretty much everything /is/ a re-run? |
| [17:05:02] | kormoc: | it's all the folks without latin1 as their default? |
| [17:05:20] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah |
| [17:05:41] | kormoc: | I thought we had scripts that would convert out as latin1, etc? |
| [17:05:44] | sphery: | though I /really/ need to wake up |
| [17:05:52] | sphery: | the change hostname instructions are ok |
| [17:05:59] | sphery: | it's the partial restore instructions that are broken |
| [17:06:04] | ** kormoc feeds sphery some caffeinated water ** | |
| [17:07:14] | sphery: | that said, I still stand by my everything's a re-run statement |
| [17:07:26] | sphery: | (so, 1 out of 3 is correct...) |
| [17:09:01] | sphery: | OK, so I'm thinking that the reason mazda01 had to change the IP's in mythtv-setup is because the system's IP address actually changed. |
| [17:09:09] | sphery: | all is good, then |
| [17:11:10] | sphery: | What's up with this crazy person on -users list talking about making a low-power-usage system that has an appropriately-powerful CPU? I thought the answer to low-power-usage was always atom? |
| [17:11:56] | kormoc: | !trout sphery caffinated |
| [17:11:56] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a caffinated trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [17:13:16] | mazda01: | sphery: what do you mean if I did the hostname change right? i did do that hostname change per the directions that wagnerrp had helped me with. i did have to set the hostname in the general backend settings from core2duo to dell. |
| [17:14:08] | mazda01: | sphery: correct, the ip changed from the old machine to the new machine |
| [17:14:44] | sphery: | mazda01: yeah, it just took me way too long to figure out what happened--not awake enough, yet (even though I /should/ be much more awake this late in the day) |
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| [17:18:29] | kormoc: | Late in the day? It's not even afternoon yet, so how can it be late afternoon?!?! |
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| [17:19:42] | sphery: | well, early afternoon, but that's late compared to breakfast :) |
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| [17:28:07] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: ok, weird issue. it's saying it can't find recordings. here's the error I get http://pastebin.com/f2fe4bdcd |
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| [17:28:44] | wagnerrp: | did you add back the storage groups |
| [17:28:52] | wagnerrp: | adding the directories these files are stored in |
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| [17:29:39] | mazda01: | wagnerrp: yes, I added the 2 main paths back into the "default" storage groups that they were in on the other mahcine. /media/500gb/recordings and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [17:31:12] | iamlindoro: | ooooh, kormoc going for the big commit today :) |
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| [17:31:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: then what has he been doing the last couple days? |
| [17:31:50] | mazda01: | huh, i just did a find on the exact filename and i can only find png files containing that filename. weird. i guess I have to run myth.find-orphans.pl again. |
| [17:32:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, lots of good work, but going for the big video playback commit today :) |
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| [17:32:36] | wagnerrp: | there a ticket on trac explaining what youre talking about? |
| [17:32:48] | iamlindoro: | #4872 |
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| [17:33:04] | wagnerrp: | an old one |
| [17:33:20] | wagnerrp: | ah, the auto-zoom bit |
| [17:33:58] | davilla: | ping mkrufky, cesman recommended I contact you. PM? |
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| [17:48:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you notice how the guy who tested the anonymous submitter's lavf demuxer patch with his HD-PVR recordings said exactly what other stuff needs changed but didn't patch it? |
| [17:48:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: As soon as he wrote that, I mentioned here that that ticket is most definitely feature request without patch |
| [17:48:33] | sphery: | (anonymous user's patch making the bindings use mplayer's lavf demuxer, that is) |
| [17:48:41] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:49:08] | sphery: | maybe you could get kormoc to close it as FRWAP |
| [17:50:11] | iamlindoro: | FRWOAP |
| [17:50:22] | iamlindoro: | (though I admit it's one word, WOAP clears up misunderstanding |
| [17:50:24] | iamlindoro: | ) |
| [17:50:45] | sphery: | true, as with and without would both be W |
| [17:50:57] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's what I mean |
| [17:51:00] | sphery: | we could be all fancy and do FRSP |
| [17:51:04] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [17:51:05] | iamlindoro: | sans |
| [17:51:09] | sphery: | yep :) |
| [17:51:11] | iamlindoro: | (or senza) |
| [17:51:26] | sphery: | isn't that a new Nissan compact car? |
| [17:52:03] | sphery: | And Hiro kept talking about the Nissan Senza throughout the episode... ;) |
| [17:54:18] | Shadow__X: | nissan cube good car for americans to buy yes yes |
| [17:54:49] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:59:52] | sphery: | kormoc: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards#C . . . riable_names (but, yes) |
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| [18:05:45] | sphery: | stupid ABC is pushing off Better Off Ted for /another/ week |
| [18:05:55] | ** sphery is suffering withdrawal ** | |
| [18:07:37] | kormoc: | Do they want the show to die? |
| [18:07:50] | iamlindoro: | They do that to all their decent shows |
| [18:07:53] | iamlindoro: | didn't you know? |
| [18:07:57] | iamlindoro: | eg: Pushing Daisies |
| [18:09:22] | sphery: | well, gotta make room for the cheap^H^H^H^H^Hgood programming, like reality shows--after all, everyone wants to see The Superstars |
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| [18:11:24] | sphery: | I wonder how long until a network decided to air nothing but stupid user-submitted videos--after all, it's working for YouTube (well, except for the making money part that the networks are trying to do) |
| [18:11:52] | kormoc: | Remember kids, what kormoc hates, he immolates! |
| [18:13:56] | kormoc: | sphery, haven't watched G4 recently have you? |
| [18:14:16] | kormoc: | Around the Net, Web Soup, Wacked out videos, etc... |
| [18:14:25] | sphery: | No, haven't... |
| [18:14:46] | sphery: | Don't get those fancy-schmancy cable channels. |
| [18:15:13] | sphery: | But, it seems my worst fears are coming true... |
| [18:16:44] | ** kormoc enjoys those shows ** | |
| [18:17:04] | Shadow__X_: | the best part is if an episode of the shows that are based on showing youtube content is itself uploaded to youtube it would be dmca fest |
| [18:17:19] | kormoc: | why should I spend a few hours on youtube finding the good ones when someone who's entertaining can do it for me! |
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| [18:28:00] | peter_: | Hello, is it possible with mythtv, to send one audio channel to the headphones and |
| [18:28:06] | peter_: | the other audio channel to the speakers (or another headphones)? |
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| [18:31:12] | mkrufky: | davilla: wassup? |
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| [18:32:11] | davilla: | hi mkrufky I'd like to talk with you about kernel driver issues, cesman recommended you. |
| [18:33:03] | mkrufky: | analog or digital? |
| [18:33:18] | davilla: | digital, can we PM ? |
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| [18:45:16] | cityLights1: | hi all |
| [18:45:21] | sphery: | peter_: that's all ALSA config stuff... Though I think you want to send both channels (assuming stereo) to both sets of speakers |
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| [18:46:03] | cityLights1: | I get segfault in pip and also, advanced search the program guide using hebrew – doesnt work |
| [18:46:10] | mkrufky: | davilla: PM is a bad idea, as you can see i cant prioritize chat right now |
| [18:46:16] | cityLights1: | when in the trunk going in to bete? |
| [18:46:18] | cityLights1: | beta? |
| [18:46:22] | davilla: | mkrufky, pci-e DMA scatter/gather related, regards a hw device that I'd like to keep quiet until the details are worked out. |
| [18:46:27] | cityLights1: | ( hi sphery) |
| [18:46:28] | mkrufky: | davilla: might be a good idea to go to #linuxtv to ask about digital tv driver stuff |
| [18:47:08] | davilla: | it's hw decoder not a tuner. |
| [18:47:09] | sphery: | peter_: the only time it's beyond ALSA is if you want to send audio to headphones (therefore, /decoded/ PCM audio) and AC-3 or DTS to "speakers" (via an A/V receiver)--Myth won't do that as it either gives you PCM output /or/ AC-3/DTS passthrough--can't do both |
| [18:47:14] | cityLights1: | when is this would-be 0.22 version rolling in to beta? |
| [18:47:28] | sphery: | cityLights1: pip is known to be broken now |
| [18:47:30] | sphery: | in trunk |
| [18:47:51] | cityLights1: | I am getting the two bugs in 0.21 fixes |
| [18:48:05] | mkrufky: | davilla: I PM'd you but i dont know if you got it |
| [18:48:10] | cityLights1: | As yu asked me to use 0.21 and not trunk |
| [18:48:22] | cityLights1: | but if trunk is going in to beta... |
| [18:48:26] | sphery: | ah, don't know then... got a (good) backtrace? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [18:48:45] | sphery: | well, upgrading to trunk to fix pip won't help since pip is known to segfault in trunk :) |
| [18:48:48] | cityLights1: | I do agree that these issues ar to be fixed in trunk and not in 0.21 |
| [18:49:09] | cityLights1: | oh |
| [18:49:25] | cityLights1: | ok it wasnt clear as you pm half and the other in the chanel |
| [18:49:27] | cityLights1: | ok |
| [18:49:31] | sphery: | and 0.21-fixes will probably never have proper RTL language support |
| [18:49:39] | cityLights1: | so pip is suppose to be OK in 0.21 fixes? |
| [18:49:43] | sphery: | don't know the status on trunk, off the top of my head |
| [18:50:04] | cityLights1: | well, I will keep checking |
| [18:50:08] | sphery: | yeah, should be pretty good in -fixes (though I don't use either LiveTV /or/ PiP, so I have no direct experience) |
| [18:50:20] | cityLights1: | so I see I SHOULD report the pip bug |
| [18:50:24] | cityLights1: | segfault |
| [18:50:37] | ** sphery puts LiveTV and PiP in an arena in his head and lets them fight for the title of biggest waste of time ever ** | |
| [18:50:59] | cityLights1: | but pip is cool |
| [18:51:00] | sphery: | cityLights1: we need a good backtrace if you're going to report it |
| [18:51:10] | cityLights1: | to make more ppl use myth.... no? |
| [18:51:17] | cityLights1: | yes I know |
| [18:51:45] | cityLights1: | well, the data sturctures exam was good |
| [18:51:51] | cityLights1: | hoped I scored high |
| [18:52:02] | sphery: | If you pastebin one when I'm around, I'll take a quick look and see if it's more likely to be a Myth problem or a drivers/system problem |
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| [18:53:43] | ** sphery realizes that peter_ may actually want to send separate channels to separate sets of speakers if he, in fact, has one of those videos with 2 different languages in the different channels of the stereo stream ** | |
| [18:54:01] | sphery: | peter_: if you do want separate channels to separate speakers, it's again an ALSA thing |
| [18:54:47] | cityLights1: | thanks sphery |
| [18:56:32] | cityLights1: | just didnt understand the topological sorting of directed graphs |
| [18:56:39] | cityLights1: | does anyone here digs that? |
| [18:57:03] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:57:11] | kormoc: | I'll digg it if you have a url |
| [18:57:45] | cityLights1: | na, hope I wont need to know this soon |
| [18:57:56] | cityLights1: | just thought more CS student hang out here |
| [18:59:29] | laga: | well, they're probably not going to explain stuff to you. there are lots of good lectures on the internet, ie MIT opencourseware |
| [18:59:33] | laga: | or just google it ;) |
| [19:00:01] | laga: | or just buy the bible |
| [19:00:08] | cityLights1: | thanks didnt try to seek it in mit's open courses |
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| [19:00:33] | cityLights1: | pls put a note in the subject when trunk goes to beta |
| [19:00:41] | cityLights1: | laga – thanks |
| [19:00:52] | cityLights1: | it was worth only 15 points |
| [19:01:12] | cityLights1: | and I hate writing a lot of pseudo code |
| [19:01:32] | sphery: | cityLights1: there will likely be a call for testers on the -dev list (and/or the -users list) when we're close to a new release |
| [19:01:52] | cityLights1: | sweet |
| [19:02:13] | cityLights1: | so I need to get the skills to give ya good backtraces :-) |
| [19:03:21] | sphery: | there's more info on package-based backtraces on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging , now (but feel free to add to the instructions anything else that's useful) |
| [19:03:42] | cityLights1: | ok |
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| [19:05:08] | sphery: | wow, mythrename.pl really kicks up the load on the system... I'm at 2.5, now, because of it (normally 1.0 since I run BOINC) |
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| [19:07:36] | gbee: | on the subject of contrib, wasn't someone writing a storage group/bindings compatible version of myth.rebuild... ? |
| [19:08:24] | gbee: | something you can fire and forget because it will use auto-discovery and the storage groups to determine which directories to walk? |
| [19:08:29] | ** sphery hides in shame for not having it done ** | |
| [19:08:52] | sphery: | I'm actually working on the other half first--the orphaned metadata support (find metadata without files) because it's easier |
| [19:09:01] | gbee: | sphery: nah, just curious to know if it was still being worked on |
| [19:09:24] | sphery: | yeah, it's high on my priorities (because I hate myth.rebuilddatabase.pl and myth_find_orphans.pl) |
| [19:09:47] | gbee: | I had to copy over some recordings from my dev backend the other night and I was surprised because I thought it had already happened |
| [19:10:43] | sphery: | though it will be in the backend, the find-files-without-metadata will be in daily housekeeping, but also triggerable with a protocol command and the find-metadata-without-files will be available through MythXML (for scripts/MythWeb) and also through Watch Recordings |
| [19:11:14] | sphery: | so, in theory there will be no need for scripts (as it will all be available through mythfrontend and mythweb) |
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| [19:12:20] | sphery: | the "found" files will get thrown into an "Unknown" recgroup (unless someone has a better name for it), then users can edit title/subtitle (and I plan to add support for editing description) |
| [19:12:31] | sphery: | I'd /love/ to add support for editing all metadata for all recordings |
| [19:12:36] | gbee: | the metadata-without-files would depend on offline storage group detection? |
| [19:12:56] | sphery: | right, that's why it's only interactive (not automatic) |
| [19:13:20] | sphery: | that way, the user can say, "Yeah, I'm sure that my filesystems are all there, so let's see if we have missing files" |
| [19:13:34] | gbee: | sphery: same, I briefly considered adding that when I ported to mythui, but I've still not written the multiline text edit which would be required for descriptions |
| [19:14:02] | sphery: | right... In the interim, I may punt and just add the single-line textedit to the existing title/subtitle change dialog |
| [19:14:35] | sphery: | though if I'm really motivated, I may actually work on the multiline text edit (assuming I can steal enough of your time for all the help I'll need :) |
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| [19:17:28] | gbee: | not sure I've really got the textedit right, it's one area where I'd be tempted to depend indirectly on a QT widget to save the hassle, but making it multiline shouldn't be any harder than it was to right the single line version, in theory anyway |
| [19:17:37] | gbee: | write |
| [19:17:43] | sphery: | cool |
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| [19:18:23] | sphery: | if that's the case, and I do work on it, I may be able to get the help I need from the single-line version's code |
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| [19:19:10] | gbee: | don't want to make it sound too easy, it involves some thinking but I got there in the end with the single-line so I'm hopeful about the multiline |
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| [19:20:05] | gbee: | I'd write it as switched functionality of the current widget, rather than creating another – so the xml would go something like <textedit name="foobar"><multiline>yes</multiline></textedit&g t; |
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| [19:23:24] | gbee: | the difficult bit is just getting your head around how the drawrect/cursor has to move relative to the everything else, the current widget has to change to work in two dimensions and not just the one, we need to recognise when the cursor is moving to a new line because the text has wrapped and capture 'Return' etc to add new lines |
| [19:23:24] | sphery: | makes sense... I'll keep that in mind if I work on it (meaning if I get to it before you :) |
| [19:24:33] | gbee: | there is a good chance you will, but I need to do something for 0.22, paulh is waiting on it for the custom schedule screen |
| [19:25:59] | sphery: | I should really improve the logic used to determine whether we put the error, "mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure." in the mfdb status |
| [19:26:13] | sphery: | s/error/warning/ |
| [19:27:59] | sphery: | gbee: also, by doing the find-files-without-metadata in the backend, we have nice capabilities that don't exist with scripts--i.e. we find a file, then we ask all other hosts if they can find that file, if so, then we simply change hostname on the recording... No DB edits required for moving files to a new host, now |
| [19:28:27] | gbee: | yeah, that's nice |
| [19:28:41] | sphery: | for when we find a file whose name is the same as an existing basename, that is |
| [19:29:18] | sphery: | I haven't decided, though, whether to try to identify filetypes and ignore some or just put everything in there with support for deleting random garbage |
| [19:29:43] | sphery: | and I /hope/ no one actually keeps non-Myth files in the Myth recordings directories |
| [19:30:24] | GreyFoxx: | makes sense to just include known file typs/extension |
| [19:30:30] | sphery: | (if so we could work around it with a table of files to ignore; though IMHO, it shouldn't be a supported configuration) |
| [19:31:03] | sphery: | we'd have to come up with a list of supported extensions, then... |
| [19:31:40] | GreyFoxx: | mkv mpg avi nuv mp4 mpv mpa wmv asf ... cant bee to many more |
| [19:31:43] | sphery: | though I really like the idea of Myth's being able to find other "orphans", too (such as png preview pixmaps and stuff) |
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| [19:32:20] | sphery: | so we don't support iso or VIDEO_TS stuff in recordings directories? |
| [19:32:56] | sphery: | if not, since we have those MythVideo storage groups, this would be one more place where we'd need a storage group type |
| [19:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | well to be honest I think the recordins dirs should be rcordings only, not a general vdeo dump |
| [19:33:11] | sphery: | so we could ignore non-recordings sg's in the scan |
| [19:33:16] | GreyFoxx: | so I wouldn't mind mpg/avi/nuv :) |
| [19:33:20] | sphery: | I agree |
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| [19:33:34] | gbee: | agreed, that's what mythvideo is for |
| [19:33:36] | sphery: | but until I know which are recordings and which aren't :) |
| [19:33:44] | sphery: | which sg's that is |
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| [19:34:09] | sphery: | guess I could just ignore use the kSpecialGroups groups |
| [19:34:37] | sphery: | (like I did in #6582 ) |
| [19:34:40] | gbee: | I'd suggest that recordings would follow the format chanid_starttime.ext but since we've let people rename them :/ |
| [19:34:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:34:56] | sphery: | I wish we didn't allow them to be renamed |
| [19:35:01] | sphery: | causes more problems than it fixes |
| [19:35:35] | sphery: | though if people keep them in the "proper" filename format, it will automatically check program and oldrecorded to see if we already have metadata and set it up appropriately :) |
| [19:35:57] | sphery: | (and will do it properly--as opposed to the rebuild database approach :) |
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| [19:37:28] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I was looking at the way we handle supported extensions in mythmusic compared to mythvideo, it's screwy in mythvideo because of the external player support, but if we are really thinking about sidelining the external player stuff* then we can do something more uniform, with the REG_MEDIA stuff too |
| [19:38:55] | gbee: | e.g. plug in a drive/cd, browse it through a central file browser, select a music file and it will handle it with mythmusic, video file mythvideo etc |
| [19:39:08] | GreyFoxx: | yea that would be nice |
| [19:39:09] | gbee: | options to import "All music", "All Video" |
| [19:39:33] | sphery: | btw, gbee, the 5050e is no longer available in the US, either... Marked as a discontinued item at newegg. I don't know if AMD couldn't keep up with demand and is just making them for OEM's, now, or if we're just between chips right now. |
| [19:39:35] | gbee: | rather than piecemeal and seperate implementations for each plugin |
| [19:39:47] | sphery: | I should have bought 2 more when they went on sale |
| [19:40:11] | gbee: | sphery: real shame, I hope that we're going to see some new 45w (or lower) chips |
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| [19:40:59] | sphery: | heh... nvm\ |
| [19:41:06] | sphery: | in the last hour they've put it back in stock |
| [19:41:18] | sphery: | talk about timing |
| [19:41:28] | wagnerrp: | ill have to tell one of the guys at work |
| [19:41:29] | gbee: | wonder if they now have stock over here |
| [19:41:31] | sphery: | ask and ye shall receive |
| [19:41:39] | wagnerrp: | he was going to be rebuilding an old desktop, but that was out of stock |
| [19:41:51] | sphery: | wonder why they even marked it discontinued |
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| [19:42:51] | gbee: | nope |
| [19:44:27] | gbee: | stocks of AM2 are generally down on what they were, just 6 AM2 cpus available at Dabs :/ |
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| [19:44:59] | wagnerrp: | are then just dropping the K9 fabrication all together? |
| [19:45:00] | gbee: | 3x quad, 2x Sempron and 1x Opteron |
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| [19:45:03] | sphery: | I wouldn't mind a nice dual-core AM2+ or even AM3--though DDR2 has some benefits, still |
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| [19:45:33] | sphery: | nice meaning 45W TDP or lower |
| [19:45:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i think all AMD systems still run DDVR2 |
| [19:45:37] | sphery: | (would love a 35W TDP) |
| [19:45:45] | wagnerrp: | DDR2 |
| [19:46:10] | sphery: | the newest are DDR3--maybe just the Phenom II |
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| [19:46:41] | sphery: | the AM3 memory controller supports both DDR2 and DDR3 memory |
| [19:46:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought all AM2/AM2+/AM3 systems were cross compatible |
| [19:46:48] | sphery: | so you could stick with ddr2 |
| [19:47:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, ok |
| [19:47:22] | sphery: | am3 is compatible with am2+ and amd2 is compatible with am2+, AIUI |
| [19:47:37] | gbee: | I think we're all expected to be in love with cores and go for the quads, but there are applications where it's just not needed and the 95W, 125W TDPs are just crazy when they were putting out decent 45W just weeks ago |
| [19:47:49] | sphery: | don't think you could use am2 with am3 (that's the whole reason for the "transitional" socket am2+) |
| [19:48:16] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, the 125W TDP's are scary |
| [19:48:51] | janneg: | any potential DVB-S2 user here (with DVB-S2 capable hardware and kernel 2.6.29 or newer) |
| [19:49:18] | gbee: | I really wonder whether AMD appreciated the popularity of their Energy Efficient range |
| [19:50:19] | janneg: | gbee: the idle power consumption dropped a little after upgrading a 65W athlon X2 with a phenom 2 X4 |
| [19:51:27] | sphery: | I saw a nice article about undervolting AMD Phenom II's for quieter-/lower-power operation – http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14694/40/ |
| [19:51:42] | sphery: | talk about buying the wrong processor to achieve the desired goal |
| [19:51:52] | janneg: | full load usage of course not but it's significant faster |
| [19:51:54] | sphery: | if you want low power/quiet buy a proc for that |
| [19:52:18] | gbee: | janneg: sure, but how does that compare to the 45W, I'm not saying that the x4s aren't efficient, but that they aren't more efficient that the EE x2s and therefore aren't a good investment if you only needed the the dual core |
| [19:53:00] | gbee: | not that I'm being left with much choice |
| [19:53:58] | sphery: | if you're not running boinc, at least, you'd run at idle a greater percentage of the time :) |
| [19:54:00] | gbee: | I might go x4 on this machine and move the 4850e across to the production box, at least I might get some use out of the additional cores with this machine |
| [19:56:11] | gbee: | all this because the OSS RadeonHD driver can't do simple XV |
| [19:56:21] | gbee: | efficiently I mean |
| [19:57:13] | sphery: | yeah, and ATI/AMD drops support for not-old Radeon processors too fast |
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| [19:57:25] | sphery: | (at least in the Linux drivers) |
| [19:58:15] | gbee: | might buckle and stick a nvidia card in there |
| [19:58:39] | sphery: | it's too bad that the 2D acceleration provided by Xv now relies on the 3D support of the CPU (meaning drivers need 3D support before they get Xv) |
| [19:59:11] | sphery: | the bad part about adding the discrete GPU is that it undoes all the power savings from getting a nice low-TDP processor (and then some) |
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| [19:59:38] | gbee: | a discrete card hardly the integrated approach I was looking for and makes cooling more of an issue, which means more noise :/ |
| [19:59:45] | sphery: | (where the 2D/3D stuff above applies to the new ATI GPU's) |
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| [20:07:38] | iamlindoro: | "I have a DVB tuner card, Hauppauge HVR2250 (saa7164), and when I go to the input connections screen of mythtv-setup, I see the DVB input label, and there is no text field to put in the external channel-change script." |
| [20:07:43] | iamlindoro: | Well that's officially dumb |
| [20:07:52] | iamlindoro: | (#6794) |
| [20:08:04] | Gumby: | lol |
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| [20:08:07] | iamlindoro: | DVB + external channel change script = huh? |
| [20:08:14] | Gumby: | thats dumber than me |
| [20:08:21] | laga: | well, it could work ;) |
| [20:08:48] | gbee: | people get confused |
| [20:08:59] | gbee: | and sometimes with myth I can't even blame them |
| [20:09:41] | ** iamlindoro nominates gbee to add the DVB channel change field ;) ** | |
| [20:09:54] | iamlindoro: | *and* make it *work* ;) |
| [20:10:22] | laga: | if i say "might not be that difficult", that means i get to do it, right? |
| [20:11:01] | iamlindoro: | very yes |
| [20:11:03] | Gumby: | if I am wanting/needing to use an irblaster, do you guys know of a USB one that works well? |
| [20:11:18] | Gumby: | from what I understand the one in the hd-pvr still isnt working |
| [20:11:21] | iamlindoro: | mceusb |
| [20:11:36] | Gumby: | ah ok. Ive got me one of them... I just cant find the transmitter. lol |
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| [20:12:12] | peter_: | sphery: Thanks for your answers! I don't understand much about AC-3/DTS, but if I understand you right, I should ask the question on the Alsa list. |
| [20:12:19] | peter_: | spery: I'm currently a vdr-user, and my motivation for this question is, that this feature is missing in vdr. |
| [20:12:28] | peter_: | spery: See also here: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-June/017059.html |
| [20:12:56] | sphery: | peter_: the AC-3 stuff just means that either myth decodes the audio or myth doesn't, so you can't have both decoded and not decoded audio from myth at the same time |
| [20:13:07] | sphery: | ac-3/dts are encoded |
| [20:14:18] | peter_: | So, there is somewhere the choice, to send either pure audio (decoded) or encoded ac-3/dts to alsa? |
| [20:14:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I mentioned that ticket + http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1422#comment:2 to danielk in #mythtv with the hope he would close it FRSP :) |
| [20:14:33] | iamlindoro: | FRWOS |
| [20:14:39] | iamlindoro: | Feature Request Without Sense |
| [20:14:44] | sphery: | that, too |
| [20:14:57] | sphery: | why would you even need an external channel change script for a digital tuner? |
| [20:14:57] | Gumby: | I assume I will need to create my own channel change script since the satellite box I am using isnt common? |
| [20:15:33] | Gumby: | sphery: maybe he is running the coax from his stb to his tuner |
| [20:15:33] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [20:15:54] | sphery: | unless it was hacked to do channel changes differently from every other STB in existence, you won't--irsend digit, repeat as necessary... |
| [20:16:38] | Gumby: | hrm, I see |
| [20:17:02] | Gumby: | but I will only be able to send digits? |
| [20:17:19] | sphery: | channel numbers are digits, but you can send whatever your STB's remote sends |
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| [20:18:19] | sphery: | you may, however, need to create a new lircd.conf for your remote, but the channel change scripts with LIRC are pretty much all going to have the same approach |
| [20:18:19] | Gumby: | ok... starting to understand more. Can I capture what the STB remote sends with my mceusb? |
| [20:22:23] | Gumby: | so what I would want to do is use the STB remote, and somehow stop the STB from receiving the remote commands and only receive the blaster commands |
| [20:22:58] | Gumby: | I thought I'd have to use the MCE remote and then use LIRC to map the buttons of the STB remote |
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| [20:27:55] | peter_: | sphery: For asking my question to the alsa people, can I just say that mythtv is able to send both streams at the same time to alsa, either encoded or decoded? |
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| [20:29:28] | sphery: | peter_: that's exactly what Myth can't do |
| [20:29:48] | sphery: | peter_: myth will either send AC-3 (encoded) or PCM (decoded)--not both |
| [20:30:12] | sphery: | so you'll need something else to take the AC-3 and encode it and try to keep its timing identical to the timing of the AC-3 |
| [20:30:20] | sphery: | s/encode/decode/ |
| [20:30:32] | sphery: | or take the PCM and encode it and try to keep its timing... |
| [20:30:47] | peter_: | sphery: excuse me, I meant both *channels* at the same time (french and german) |
| [20:31:17] | sphery: | so is this a stereo audio stream in which left is one language and right is another? |
| [20:31:28] | peter_: | sphery: I don't bother, if it's encoded or not, I just want to hear it ;) |
| [20:31:29] | sphery: | if so, you just need to use a ttable to direct the output properly |
| [20:32:10] | sphery: | peter_: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/134552#134552 |
| [20:32:38] | sphery: | though yours will be more complext because you'll be crossing device boundaries |
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| [20:36:12] | peter_: | sphery: thanks, I see that I have to read documentation about ttables now |
| [20:36:27] | peter_: | sphery: device boundaries?? |
| [20:36:43] | peter_: | sphery: You mean perhaps 2 soundcards? |
| [20:37:26] | sphery: | 2 different outputs (meaning what you plug your headphones into vs what you plug your speakers into) |
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| [20:40:47] | peter_: | sphery: Ok, thanks for all your information. Now I see, that the real work is the alsa-configuration (mapping 2 streams to 2 outputs)... |
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| [20:42:26] | sphery: | exactly |
| [20:42:41] | sphery: | er, really, mapping channels from one stream to 2 different outputs |
| [20:43:16] | juski: | oops. wife bought me an issue of Computer Active today. They review a Hauppauge USB TV stick which is allegedly ready for freeview HD. Only it ain't. |
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| [20:48:25] | sphery: | How do you like the latest response on "Re: [mythtv-users] Improving Power Consumption on ASUS M3N78 Pro NVIDIA 8300 Chipset" for major fail of list etiquette? |
| [20:49:23] | peter_: | sphery: I've just seen your question about stereo: no, every language is stereo (or even 5+1 perhaps). It's dvb and each language has it's "Dolby Digital track" (expression from the vdr manual). |
| [20:49:33] | sphery: | a) top posted, b) did not trim /anything/ (even SF headers), c) wanted to quote a portion of the mail, so instead of replying inline, actually copy/pasted that portion--unquoted/not attributed--into the top-posted message... |
| [20:49:53] | sphery: | peter_: then Myth can't do what you want |
| [20:50:01] | sphery: | peter_: Myth only allows you to send one audio stream |
| [20:50:26] | ** iamlindoro looks at #6796 quizzically (<--- kormoc) ** | |
| [20:50:47] | sphery: | peter_: after all, Myth has a /ton/ of code that handles ensuring that the divergence between the (one) audio stream and the (one) video strem does not get great enough to cause noticeable audio/video synchronization issues |
| [20:50:52] | iamlindoro: | Works here many times daily |
| [20:50:58] | sphery: | peter_: so, if you have 2 audio streams, which one do you sync to? |
| [20:52:32] | peter_: | sphery: perhaps synchronisation has to be done the other way round: each audio stream gets synchronised to the image? |
| [20:52:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: nice... doesn't even mention the /which/ error (or even symptoms of the error) |
| [20:52:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, poof |
| [20:52:48] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [20:53:22] | iamlindoro: | Key questions are a) What error?, b) What version of myth? c) What type of recording? d) What is wrong with you? |
| [20:53:49] | sphery: | kormoc: so, now the reporter will create a new ticket, paste the entire contents of the MythWeb trace into the ticket (rather than attaching it) and fail to provide a description of what he was doing when it failed |
| [20:54:02] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [20:54:05] | kormoc: | that's so likely true |
| [20:54:20] | iamlindoro: | And it will read: Error Type: User Error |
| [20:54:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:54:50] | sphery: | Is mythbackend running? |
| [20:54:59] | Gumby: | whats mythbackend? |
| [20:55:11] | ** kormoc blinks and eyes Gumby ** | |
| [20:55:21] | kormoc: | So much is explained about Gumby's issues... |
| [20:55:29] | Gumby: | lol... ok ok... I know you are all trying to decide whether I am being serious or not |
| [20:55:30] | Gumby: | lol |
| [20:55:32] | iamlindoro: | For reference, I just scheduled a mythweb rec fine :) |
| [20:55:40] | ** sphery wonders if kormoc will immolate Gumby ** | |
| [20:55:53] | Gumby: | hey, thats an out hole only |
| [20:55:54] | ** kormoc immolates #mythtv-users ** | |
| [20:56:02] | ** iamlindoro gets out the door post-haste ** | |
| [20:56:22] | kormoc: | Gumby, guess you don't know what immolate means |
| [20:56:31] | Gumby: | ooohhhh.... you meant immolate |
| [20:56:39] | Gumby: | ;) |
| [20:56:48] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:56:56] | ** kormoc sets Gumby on fire. ** | |
| [20:57:05] | Gumby: | lol. I did not know what it meant, but I looked it up |
| [20:57:05] | Gumby: | hehe |
| [20:57:09] | iamlindoro: | kormoc sets quiet on *@*? |
| [20:57:10] | sphery: | at least he was warm for the rest of his life |
| [20:58:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, tempted ;) |
| [20:58:22] | Gumby: | I'm redoing my mythbox... and not a single question thus far :) |
| [20:58:34] | Gumby: | other than the remote question of course |
| [20:59:09] | peter_: | sphery: If I understand you right ("ton of synchronisaton code"), the issue is not just a little bit of coding, but a really big problem, sigh... (my sentence before about sync was just a quick and naive idea...) |
| [20:59:30] | sphery: | peter_: yep, it would be a major issue |
| [20:59:54] | sphery: | peter_: the /best/ solution to your problem (and I'm not being sarcastic or facetious here) is 2 different frontends playing the same recording |
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| [21:01:16] | sphery: | peter_: Though some broadcasters in areas where multiple languages are common would embed 2 languages in the same audio stream--I've seen it in old analog stereo stuff. If they have similarly-encoded audio in digital, then you could do what you want with only one frontend. |
| [21:02:26] | sphery: | peter_: So, for example, if they had a stream that has both French and Spanish (or whatever languages) and just encode them into different channels of the stream, you could break them apart |
| [21:03:58] | sphery: | peter_: and, sync'ing audio to video just doesn't work--thus the "Experimental" designation (meaning, "Don't use this because it does /not/ work.") on the setting, "Use video as timebase: Use the video as the timebase and warp the audio to keep it in sync. (Experimental)". It's been in Myth for at least 5 years and it has never worked and unless something /very/ big changes in the real world, it will never work. |
| [21:04:03] | peter_: | sphery: the most important channel for us (me and my wife) is Arte (french and german), and both languages are stereo |
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| [21:04:32] | sphery: | peter_: so, unfortunately, the best bet is 2 frontends--each playing back the same recording. |
| [21:04:56] | sphery: | Not ideal if you each want to enjoy the recording on your 67" widescreen TV but in different languages :( |
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| [21:05:11] | sphery: | unless you have his/her TV's... |
| [21:05:36] | laga: | get big TV, get a laptop? |
| [21:07:25] | sphery: | peter_: you might be able to make a "good enough for us, but not good enough for upstream" version by simply having the demuxer dump the other stream to a device--then it would sync to the "primary" audio stream and something (not myth) would play the other audio and if it's out of sync, it's out of sync |
| [21:07:31] | sphery: | but it would require local changes to Myth code |
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| [21:14:53] | peter_: | sphery: I see, probably I just should forget about it. I know about C, but I've never worked in the area of video and audio, so I don't think to be able to patch mythtv... |
| [21:15:46] | iamlindoro: | I have no formal programming experience whatsover... but I've managed to get some fairly notable features into myth |
| [21:15:51] | iamlindoro: | if you never try, you fail before you begin :) |
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| [21:16:22] | peter_: | sphery: But I'll try to get more information about Arte on DVB-S, if the 2 languages are really 2 streams or perhaps packed in one stream with 4 channels. |
| [21:16:44] | sphery: | I'm guessing they're 2 strams |
| [21:17:04] | sphery: | chances are a dual-audio stream would be in addition to any single-audio streams |
| [21:17:07] | peter_: | sphery: me too, but just to be sure... |
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| [21:21:41] | janneg: | peter_: arte has usually a german and a french stereo track. not sure if they have 5.1 AC3 |
| [21:22:14] | Gumby: | most of my livetv content will be SD and Im using vdpau. which deinterlacer do you guys recommend? |
| [21:22:24] | peter_: | janneg: track == stream ? |
| [21:22:33] | janneg: | yes |
| [21:22:39] | sphery: | janneg: he's trying to get both the German and French audio to play at the same time |
| [21:23:08] | janneg: | sphery: thanks figured that from the backlog |
| [21:25:03] | sphery: | wasn't sure how much of the backlog you had read... sorry for the noise. |
| [21:25:06] | janneg: | not sure how that could be implemented |
| [21:25:29] | gbee: | no-one has closed the external channel changer for dvb ticket yet? |
| [21:25:36] | sphery: | yeah, I mentioned the old dual-audio analog (one language in each channel of a stereo signal), but don't know of anything similar in digital |
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| [21:26:29] | sphery: | gbee: danielk confirmed the meaning of #1422 and that digital cards don't support external channel change script (where firewire isn't a "digital card") |
| [21:27:44] | janneg: | cleanest way would probably be multiple audio devices which would help the person who asked for simultaneous analog and digital out |
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| [21:28:22] | janneg: | and multiple audio devices are messy |
| [21:28:39] | gbee: | sphery: just surprised that it's still open, it's a no-brainer IMHO |
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| [21:29:43] | gbee: | though I wonder if the guy is getting confused, he's setup the DVB part of the card but is expecting to use the analogue side |
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| [21:30:32] | janneg: | if it were just a single recording I woud mix the stereo tracks to mono and make a dual language track |
| [21:31:13] | tigergutt: | Any known issues with mythtv and Ubuntu 9.04 ? I have big issues with my mythtv. |
| [21:31:59] | gbee: | guess that all depends which version of mythtv |
| [21:31:59] | tigergutt: | frontend seems to lose connection with the backend. |
| [21:32:04] | tigergutt: | MythSocket(fcfbe0:26): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. |
| [21:32:13] | gbee: | tigergutt: which kernel? |
| [21:32:22] | tigergutt: | I get it with vanilla ubuntu package, svn, vdapu port, and thrunk. |
| [21:32:27] | gbee: | hmm, nevermind thinking of a different issue |
| [21:32:33] | tigergutt: | I tried 2 reinstall |
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| [21:32:55] | tigergutt: | 2.6.28-13-generic |
| [21:32:59] | gbee: | tigergutt: backend and frontend on same machine? |
| [21:33:03] | tigergutt: | yes |
| [21:33:17] | gbee: | ok, that rules out fault network hardware |
| [21:33:21] | kormoc: | thrunk? |
| [21:33:22] | gbee: | faulty |
| [21:33:31] | gbee: | kormoc: thinking man's trunk |
| [21:33:35] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:33:57] | tigergutt: | Running this atm.. |
| [21:33:58] | tigergutt: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [21:33:58] | tigergutt: | Library API : 0.22.20090727–1 |
| [21:34:09] | tigergutt: | but same with any version. |
| [21:34:19] | tigergutt: | Happends after an while. |
| [21:34:20] | gbee: | Library API isn't the version number |
| [21:34:26] | tigergutt: | Spesialy when I swap channels. |
| [21:34:37] | tigergutt: | MythTV Version : Unknown |
| [21:34:44] | iamlindoro: | I think I just thrunked myself |
| [21:34:45] | tigergutt: | (mythbunty daily build) |
| [21:34:45] | gbee: | well that's broken |
| [21:34:50] | kormoc: | gbee, why isn't the API same as the proto version? |
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| [21:35:08] | tigergutt: | Network Protocol : 45 |
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| [21:35:21] | gbee: | kormoc: library API and protocol version are entirely unrelated, one can change while the other remains static |
| [21:35:38] | kormoc: | gbee, but the lib API is purely build date, no? |
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| [21:36:12] | gbee: | kormoc: no, it's manually incremented whenever something changes in public classes and methods of libmythtv/libmyth/libmythui etc |
| [21:36:18] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [21:36:33] | gbee: | it's for code linking to those libs |
| [21:36:39] | tigergutt: | Any input in how I should isolate the issue or work my way further ? |
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| [21:37:44] | tigergutt: | aik it startet when I upgraded to 9.04 |
| [21:37:51] | gbee: | kormoc: changes in the Library API couldn't affect the perl bindings or mythweb, but would break a C++ plugin built against different version of the libs |
| [21:37:54] | tigergutt: | I also testet with clean mythconverg |
| [21:38:29] | tigergutt: | went thru the google hits and made sure they din't have any useful hints. |
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| [21:40:09] | xris: | grumble. gdb dump doesn't help much if there are no symbols installed. lol |
| [21:40:37] | sphery: | gbee: one day, you'll teach the world that library version isn't version... |
| [21:41:14] | tigergutt: | xris: I did gdm the pid of mythbackend when I get the issue. I'm to n00b to make anything useful, but it did highlight the qt/mysql library. |
| [21:41:39] | xris: | tigergutt: yeah, I'm trying to debug vdpau crashes... |
| [21:42:16] | gbee: | guess I'll let superm enjoy his birthday before pointing out the broken version info in the ubuntu trunk builds |
| [21:42:19] | tigergutt: | xris: I had ~1–2 crash each 14 day with 180.60 |
| [21:42:37] | iamlindoro: | What you say? Someone set up VDPAU crash? |
| [21:42:43] | xris: | tigergutt: I don't *not* crash |
| [21:42:52] | xris: | mythtv segfaults whenever I try to use vdpau |
| [21:42:54] | iamlindoro: | But I thought VDPAU was supposed to slice, dice, julienne fries, and make me attractive to the opposite sex? ;) |
| [21:43:12] | kormoc: | We get signal |
| [21:43:22] | iamlindoro: | Start every decode |
| [21:43:29] | gbee: | iamlindoro: it does one of those ... |
| [21:43:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: well, they made all the fry stuff work, but tech could only take us so far on the last |
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| [21:43:46] | gbee: | but it's not the one everyone would like |
| [21:43:47] | tigergutt: | xris: Shot in the the dark. mythtv segfault with the last versions when I have messy xorg. (I run custom resolution) |
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| [21:44:11] | kormoc: | For great justice |
| [21:44:31] | xris: | tigergutt: nah. 1920x1080@60 should be pretty standard |
| [21:44:49] | tigergutt: | xris: I run 848X480 ;D |
| [21:45:01] | sphery: | tigergutt: on trunk the Read/WriteStringList errors (due to socket/networking errors) are rather common. On some new distros, they're extremely common (to the point Myth doesn't even work on some systems with those distros) regardless of Myth branch/version. |
| [21:45:03] | kormoc: | xris, have you tried nvidia driver version 190? |
| [21:45:14] | ** kormoc wonders why tigergutt would run VDPAU at that res... ** | |
| [21:45:16] | xris: | kormoc: not easily available to me.. so no, not yet. |
| [21:45:39] | xris: | plus it's the same problem with 185 and 180 that makes me think it's something else, maybe fedora-related |
| [21:45:47] | gbee: | kormoc: that could help, but I suspect something aside from drivers is very broken, he's had crashes with every driver tried so far |
| [21:45:49] | tigergutt: | kormoc: I run 848X480 for text and 1270X720 for tv (And \let the tv downscale) |
| [21:45:51] | gbee: | ^^ |
| [21:45:56] | sphery: | kormoc: how else will he get jullienned fries |
| [21:46:35] | tigergutt: | sphery: SO I should bug the Ubuntu forums/dudes ? |
| [21:47:09] | sphery: | tigergutt: actually, ideally you would find the cause, then mention it to the *buntu packagers (and the rest of us so we could pass it on to other distro packagers, etc.) :) |
| [21:47:12] | ** kormoc doesn't beleive that a tv would downsize HD ** | |
| [21:47:32] | sphery: | I'm guessing an old CRT "HD Ready" TV |
| [21:47:57] | tigergutt: | I have an vga -> compoent transcoder as well :) |
| [21:47:58] | sphery: | (i.e. with HD input support, but actually an EDTV without a decoder) |
| [21:48:35] | sphery: | (though it /could/ have a decoder, most EDTV's I saw didn't because the decoder was very expensive at the time) |
| [21:49:26] | tigergutt: | my EDTV plasma eats mostly anything from 320>1080I as long as the timing is right |
| [21:49:27] | kormoc: | that's absurd imho |
| [21:49:30] | gbee: | sphery: HD Ready or HD Compatible? |
| [21:49:54] | sphery: | I'd have to look at the marketing definitions again... |
| [21:50:19] | gbee: | at least in the EU "HD Ready" means capable of displaying a 720 or above resolution, HD Compatible might mean it can take a HD signal but it's downscaled |
| [21:51:11] | tigergutt: | sphery: I guess I have to work my way then. |
| [21:51:28] | sphery: | "In the USA, "HD Ready" refers to any display that is capable of accepting and displaying a high-definition signal at either 720p, 1080i or 1080p using a component video or digital input, and does not have a built-in HD-capable tuner." |
| [21:51:37] | gbee: | sphery: can't see a use-case for a channel change script combined with DVB? |
| [21:51:55] | sphery: | gbee: so, EDTV wouldn't be HD Ready--I stand corrected |
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| [22:04:22] | tigergutt: | would and frontend/backend work with 127.0.0.1 in mythtv-setup ? |
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| [22:05:02] | tigergutt: | most of google wizdom seems to suggest ip/resolution as remedy for my issues. |
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| [22:11:12] | sphery: | tigergutt: what do you have in there (and what field, specifically)? |
| [22:12:02] | sphery: | tigergutt: are you using a hostname instead of an ip for, i.e., the backend server "IP address" and master server "IP address" fields? |
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| [22:12:22] | tigergutt: | Both are 10.0.0.111 (My local ip) |
| [22:12:26] | sphery: | on trunk, using a hostname there could work, but on -fixes it wouldn't |
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| [22:13:09] | tigergutt: | Huuummm |
| [22:13:20] | sphery: | those fields must be an IP address and can /only/ be 127.0.0.1 if you have only a single combined backend/frontend machine and no other Myth boxes |
| [22:13:25] | tigergutt: | Pinging my hostname returns 127.0.0.1 |
| [22:13:40] | sphery: | Myth doesn't do any hostname->IP address resolution |
| [22:13:42] | tigergutt: | AIK it should return 10.0.0.11 |
| [22:13:46] | sphery: | (which is why we ask for IP address) |
| [22:14:58] | tigergutt: | Just though maybe mysql stuff did name resolution or like. But I test with 127.0.0.1 (I seldom use other klients) |
| [22:15:14] | sphery: | though it's irrelevant for Myth, which address it uses is dependent on your nslookup configuration (nsswitch.conf) and, likely, your /etc/hosts |
| [22:16:32] | tigergutt: | Humz, my hostname is set to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts |
| [22:16:49] | tigergutt: | I'n my head that's wrong. It should be the static ip I have ? |
| [22:16:52] | sphery: | we do allow hostname->IP address resolution for MySQL (or, technically, the Qt-MySQL driver allows) |
| [22:17:30] | sphery: | However, your best bet is to use the IP address for "Hostname" in the "Database Server Settings" (then Myth's operation is not reliant on name resolution) |
| [22:18:22] | sphery: | i.e. if you lose DNS, you don't lose Myth (and, if you lose the network, you won't lose Myth on the box on which the MySQL server is running--assuming you run any Myth stuff on that box) |
| [22:18:59] | sphery: | note that the setting, "Hostname" in the "Database Server Settings" is described, "The host name or IP address of the machine hosting the database. This information is required." |
| [22:20:41] | tigergutt: | 2009-08–04 00:19:22.142 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [22:20:41] | tigergutt: | 2009-08–04 00:19:22.142 Using protocol version 45 |
| [22:20:47] | tigergutt: | so far so good |
| [22:21:22] | sphery: | note that if you use 127.0.0.1, you can /not/ add new Myth frontends or backends |
| [22:21:45] | tigergutt: | thrunk is not so fond of alt tab or window on window I note... |
| [22:21:50] | sphery: | (really, the use of 127.0.0.1 is not recommended, even on a combined frontend/backend system with no other Myth boxes) |
| [22:22:10] | tigergutt: | sphery: Think I help nail out network issues ? |
| [22:22:14] | tigergutt: | it |
| [22:22:45] | sphery: | did you change the MySQL hostname to IP address? |
| [22:23:08] | sphery: | if not, then nothing should have changed (whether you use 127.0.0.1 or 10.0.0.11 for your backend/master server IP address) |
| [22:23:19] | sphery: | the kernel's local-routing rules should treat them identically |
| [22:23:39] | sphery: | unless you have network configuration errors on your host |
| [22:25:30] | tigergutt: | ah |
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| [22:26:35] | tigergutt: | I din't get why it wanted my real hostname linked to localhost |
| [22:26:42] | tigergutt: | now I see |
| [22:28:40] | tigergutt: | any from local nic -> localhost -> 10.0.0.11 ? |
| [22:30:43] | tigergutt: | So change /etc/hosts and my hostname -> real ip would matter ither ? |
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| [22:37:08] | tigergutt: | Thanks so far, I keep working on it. |
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| [22:57:12] | jblack_: | For the love of cheetos, where have all the pci slots gone? |
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| [22:57:38] | kormoc: | jblack_, they left with the cowboys |
| [22:57:43] | sphery: | lot of good it did to say, "Please keep any further discussion on the mailing list (and not the bug database/ticket)." on my (on-list) response to #6794 . |
| [22:58:20] | Leftmost: | Is it possible to use Myth to play a DVD backed up to the filesystem? (That is, the VIDEO_TS directory and whathaveyou is a directory on the file system.) |
| [22:58:47] | sphery: | jblack_: can still get mobos with lots for Intel CPU's--seems no one does any for AMD proc's with more than 3 PCI slots, anymore, though |
| [22:59:09] | sphery: | Leftmost: possible, but it's /much/ better to just have a single file ISO image |
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| [22:59:38] | kormoc: | sphery, his thing was... odd. a cable box sending ATSC out unencrypted? |
| [22:59:55] | iamlindoro: | Uhhhhhhh the DCH70 most definitely does NOT modulate QAM |
| [23:00:07] | sphery: | Leftmost: if you break it out, you have to ensure the filenames aren't mangled (including capitalization) and most of the time when people mount DVD's they mount them improperly (as iso9660 instead of UDF), so they mangle them |
| [23:00:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro / kormoc : yeah, it sounded /very/ much like one of those "infringing" cases to which I referred in my mail |
| [23:01:09] | Leftmost: | The filenames aren't mangled. The DVDs are playable with mplayer using the -dvd-device switch, but I was wondering how to do something similar with Myth if possible. |
| [23:02:18] | kormoc: | Leftmost, how do you know they're not mangled? |
| [23:02:20] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks for the reinforcement of the on-list thing :) |
| [23:02:30] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
| [23:02:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc / sphery : " Is there a config file that I can edit to supply the script? I don't really need the gui input box, and I am happier working from the console anyway." |
| [23:02:46] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:02:47] | iamlindoro: | implies a distinct lack of "knows what the eff he is doing" |
| [23:02:59] | iamlindoro: | His claim is 100% wrong |
| [23:03:01] | sphery: | he can hack the field in the DB, but it won't have any effect on a digital capture card :) |
| [23:03:08] | ** iamlindoro would close invalid if he could ** | |
| [23:03:19] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it is closed as invalid and mlocked to boot |
| [23:03:23] | iamlindoro: | The DCH70 *will not and cannot* modulate QAM |
| [23:03:26] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok :) |
| [23:03:34] | juski: | I think I remember somebody messing with the external script thing for some reason |
| [23:03:47] | juski: | was something esoteric & nothing really to do with controlling external devices |
| [23:03:58] | Leftmost: | kormoc, if I understand what sphery says, the DVDs would be unplayable if the filenames are mangled. I've just said they aren't unplayable. |
| [23:04:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I sincerely believe, "The cable box does send out an ATSC signal," is evidence of his misunderstanding of the difference between the content of the signal and an 8VSB ATSC signal |
| [23:04:17] | kormoc: | Leftmost, unplayable in myth |
| [23:04:27] | sphery: | Leftmost: unplayable in Myth, might work in MPlayer (as MPlayer is designed to work even when people are wrong) |
| [23:05:03] | sphery: | juski: some people use it for changing mute on broken V4L frame grabber devices and similar |
| [23:05:10] | juski: | yeah just figured that |
| [23:05:13] | sphery: | though I've /never/ heard of a valid use case with digital |
| [23:05:18] | Leftmost: | Well, then I suppose I can't be sure, but the backups already exist and the discs were properly mounted, so I'm just wondering how I might go about trying to play them. |
| [23:05:21] | juski: | and read the ticket on gossamer threads |
| [23:05:38] | sphery: | and I /think/ we've since fixed Myth so it works with those broken frame grabbers without the hack, anyway |
| [23:06:04] | sphery: | Leftmost: drop the directory in your MythVideo directory structure, scan for new videos, play |
| [23:06:15] | Leftmost: | Fair enough. |
| [23:06:15] | sphery: | if any part of that doesn't work, then it's mangled |
| [23:06:23] | juski: | good luck to the guy if he wants to find a STB which remodulates ATSC/QAM :P |
| [23:06:30] | sphery: | Leftmost: though /really/ you should redo your backup as a single ISO image file |
| [23:06:44] | sphery: | i.e. stick DVD in drive, go to MythDVD's import DVD and enjoy |
| [23:06:53] | wagnerrp: | juski: i though there was some cable box that did just that like 10 years ago |
| [23:07:06] | Leftmost: | Most likely, though I'm physically separated from the DVDs in question at the moment. |
| [23:07:35] | juski: | wagnerrp: very unlikely indeed |
| [23:07:53] | juski: | wagnerrp: modulating digital signals is expensive |
| [23:08:16] | juski: | cheaper now than it used to be, but none the more likely to see in a consumer box |
| [23:08:49] | juski: | I could accept that maybe there are some STBs around which pass the signal through.. |
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| [23:09:18] | kormoc: | that would decrypt it and then send it through? |
| [23:09:30] | juski: | nope |
| [23:09:35] | juski: | just RF passthrough |
| [23:09:48] | kormoc: | Yeah, which at that point, just remove the cable box and enjoy |
| [23:10:13] | juski: | modulation of digital stuff needs some serious DSP horsepower |
| [23:10:34] | juski: | there'd be no point in a provider going to all the effort or expense |
| [23:11:06] | sphery: | kormoc: exactly |
| [23:11:16] | sphery: | passthrough is irrelevant--just get a splitter |
| [23:11:51] | juski: | maybe the guy had a box with passthrough & everything he wanted just happened to be unencrippled ;-) |
| [23:12:10] | juski: | still unlikely, but way more likely than the former scenario IMHO |
| [23:13:26] | sphery: | yeah, even a hacked box that's used for stealing content would likely just output the stream via firewire versus remodulating as 8VSB or QAM |
| [23:13:43] | juski: | cos uhh, if this is the kind of gear you need to do it NOW, I very much doubt anybody would put it in a STB years ago: http://www.advanceddigital.ca/products/dvb/tvb590.php |
| [23:13:53] | sphery: | I can't even think of a situation--legal or not--where remodulating makes sense |
| [23:14:27] | sphery: | juski: where "Request a quote" translates as, "Way too expensive for consumer equipment." :) |
| [23:14:40] | gbee: | the HVRblah is a hybrid right? So he's connecting the RF and thinks that it's using the digital side of the card in mplayer/whatever? |
| [23:15:12] | juski: | I could be wrong of course, but fail to see why anybody would needlessly add a 3 figure sum to their hardware when it's not gonna be used by 99% of folks |
| [23:15:23] | juski: | gbee: good point actually |
| [23:15:35] | iamlindoro: | gbee, HVR-2250 is 2xdigital and 2x analog... but NO analog support at all right now |
| [23:15:44] | iamlindoro: | so the only part of that card that works ATM is DVB |
| [23:15:44] | juski: | then if he can't even tell the difference between HD & SDTV he needs to be put down |
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| [23:16:09] | sphery: | gbee: you're probably right about the fact that he doesn't realize he needs to define 4 different capture cards in Myth for that one |
| [23:16:51] | iamlindoro: | 2x right now |
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| [23:17:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: because the analog side doesn't work in Myth? |
| [23:17:20] | iamlindoro: | s/in Myth/in Linux/ |
| [23:17:23] | sphery: | ah |
| [23:17:48] | sphery: | another case of a user not understanding what he/she is trying to do well enough to report the correct issue :) |
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| [23:18:37] | sphery: | so, "MythTV 0.22 for download...?" is reason enough not to mention to the user where to find the SVN repo? |
| [23:19:22] | juski: | and folks wonder why so few people want to take mythtv to the masses |
| [23:19:27] | iamlindoro: | too late :) |
| [23:19:31] | sphery: | great... |
| [23:19:46] | sphery: | please direct all his questions to iamlindoro :) |
| [23:19:55] | iamlindoro: | though if he can't figure it out from that, I'm not helping :) |
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| [23:20:03] | sphery: | too late :) |
| [23:20:18] | iamlindoro: | It's never to late to quit, my boy |
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| [23:21:12] | iamlindoro: | UK dwellers, do I want to be watching this "Being human" show? |
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| [23:22:08] | juski: | apparently it was very good |
| [23:22:17] | gbee: | didn't watch it myself |
| [23:22:42] | juski: | saw a teeny bit of it. didn't appeal to me much |
| [23:22:46] | gbee: | can't say it appealed, might be wrong but I thought it was aimed at teenagers |
| [23:23:09] | sphery: | I have to decide whether to watch The Storm miniseries... Got the first half on Myth, but then my HD-3000 went DOA for the 2nd half, so I'd have to do Hulu for the 2nd half. |
| [23:23:12] | juski: | a vampire, a warewolf & a ghost sharing a flat. Hrm |
| [23:23:12] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, Entertainment Weekly called it one of the must-see moments of TV this week |
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| [23:23:32] | sphery: | And I can't do Hulu full screen (though CBS's flash player works fine in full screen) |
| [23:23:36] | sphery: | stupid Hulu.. |
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| [23:23:52] | juski: | grass skirt TV tech? ;-) |
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| [23:24:31] | AarononCall: | hey guys! |
| [23:24:31] | gbee: | iamlindoro: well that's the advantage of myth isn't it? You can record and if it's no good delete |
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| [23:24:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yeah, I appear to have missed it so debating trying to pick it up on reruns |
| [23:25:08] | gbee: | I could have missed a great show ... you never know |
| [23:25:10] | AarononCall: | Are we aloud to post links |
| [23:25:46] | juski: | only goatse, this is IRC remember |
| [23:26:02] | AarononCall: | heh? |
| [23:27:16] | awalls: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse |
| [23:27:17] | AarononCall: | Anyways, i have a question about my plans for a MythTV setup, i drew out my plans.. Can i post the link to the image? |
| [23:27:23] | gbee: | ignore him, yes you are allowed to post links |
| [23:27:29] | AarononCall: | http://i25.tinypic.com/2r70j0h.png |
| [23:27:33] | AarononCall: | Will that work? |
| [23:28:13] | juski: | nope |
| [23:28:53] | iamlindoro: | definitely nope |
| [23:29:03] | juski: | problem will be that the dish RF output is analogue, not digital, and the HDHR only accepts digital |
| [23:29:06] | iamlindoro: | Can't capture from a box w/ an HDHomeRun |
| [23:29:27] | sphery: | HD-PVR |
| [23:29:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you had one of these mythical atsc modulators |
| [23:29:49] | sphery: | or, better, drop DISH, get an antenna and go OTA, only |
| [23:29:53] | sphery: | vote with your wallet!!!! |
| [23:30:02] | gbee: | HD-PVR, for which you'd need promixity and component outputs on the receiver |
| [23:30:08] | AarononCall: | ugh geez. damn |
| [23:30:19] | juski: | welcome to the digital future |
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| [23:30:40] | sphery: | Where you get your DRM--getting video, though, is not guaranteed! |
| [23:31:14] | sphery: | which is why I voted no by cancelling my cable and satellite subscriptions and just do without all the non-OTA channels |
| [23:31:28] | juski: | me too. and I'll continue to do so |
| [23:31:29] | sphery: | (there's a reason they put Stargate shows on DVD, and it's me) |
| [23:31:32] | AarononCall: | I wish i could use a DVB-S Tuner card with dish network. |
| [23:31:50] | sphery: | again, DRM |
| [23:31:51] | ** kormoc eyes connections dvds ** | |
| [23:32:02] | kormoc: | sphery, are you a FSF member? ;) |
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| [23:32:17] | AarononCall: | So, i cant get a digital signal out of that dish box? |
| [23:32:17] | juski: | all the stuff worth paying for (and of that there is little rest assured) can generally be had from elsewhere anyway.. like hard media, or at other people's houses :P |
| [23:32:40] | juski: | AarononCall: nope |
| [23:32:44] | sphery: | AarononCall: might be able to get one out (via DVI-D or HDMI), just can't use it for anything other than displaying on a TV |
| [23:32:47] | sphery: | or monitor |
| [23:32:53] | sphery: | can't be recorded |
| [23:33:00] | sphery: | HD-PVR allows you to record the analog output |
| [23:33:08] | juski: | *if enabled |
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| [23:33:28] | AarononCall: | Yeah but the hdhomerun would be an awesome soultion, cause it would put the tv on my home network |
| [23:33:34] | juski: | but nothing |
| [23:33:36] | sphery: | and, don't get all, "But it would make the picture quality bad because of the digital to analog to digital conversion," until you've actually seen the HD-PVR's output |
| [23:33:52] | sphery: | AarononCall: Myth puts the TV on your home network |
| [23:34:16] | sphery: | if you use the HDHR in Myth, you can't use it outside of Myth without shutting down Myth |
| [23:34:27] | juski: | being able to get content you pay for by whatever means you see fit would be the best solution for everybody except the providers, so they don't let you |
| [23:34:28] | sphery: | Myth wants exclusive access to all its capture devices |
| [23:34:58] | AarononCall: | I knew that, idk. i guess i just thought that it would be better to have that device, because then i wouldnt have to have the mythtv box on all the time |
| [23:35:45] | juski: | even so, you'd not be able to stop conflicts between what you want to watch 'live' and what myth might fancy recording on other channels |
| [23:36:11] | sphery: | AarononCall: even without the HDHR, you don't have to have the myth box on all the time--only when it wants to record or you want to play back recordings using Myth |
| [23:36:42] | sphery: | there's even support for automatic shutdown and automatic wakeup |
| [23:36:49] | AarononCall: | wol |
| [23:36:52] | sphery: | myth is green |
| [23:37:03] | sphery: | yeah, myth supports wol |
| [23:37:20] | sphery: | or timer-based wakeup through the RTC clock alarm function |
| [23:37:46] | jblack_: | it can be greener. |
| [23:37:58] | sphery: | and in 0.22 (due RSN), support for WOL will be significantly extended for those of us with multiple backends |
| [23:37:59] | juski: | saw somebody give myth bad marks the other day for not supporting screen readers (for the non-sighted). Sheesh give folks a break! |
| [23:38:06] | jblack_: | It can check how much tv has been watched, and say "you've already seen an hour today. go outside hoser. shutting down" |
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| [23:38:41] | juski: | 2 hours of teevee a day is more than enough for anybody. Anybody who doesn't want to be clinically obese ;-) |
| [23:38:50] | AarononCall: | Are there any devices similar to the hd home run |
| [23:38:57] | sphery: | jblack_: that would be good... could even do the usage summary for the folks, kind of like the Wii does, but in an e-mail |
| [23:39:02] | juski: | none that capture analogue, nope |
| [23:39:20] | sphery: | HD-PVR looks rather similar to the HDHR |
| [23:39:22] | AarononCall: | damn, well composite in would be nice ;) |
| [23:39:28] | sphery: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [23:39:41] | juski: | AarononCall: for network video capture the HDHR is the only game in town. and it only does digital ClearQAM/ATSC |
| [23:39:44] | sphery: | AarononCall: HD PVR does Component (not composite) in |
| [23:40:11] | iamlindoro: | well. composite too |
| [23:40:16] | iamlindoro: | but not that you'd want to use it |
| [23:40:26] | sphery: | actually, might do composite in, but that's like buying an 18 wheeler to drive to the grocery store for supplies for dinner |
| [23:40:44] | ** kormoc buys a 36 wheeler for grocery store runs ** | |
| [23:41:13] | jblack_: | kormoc: not a helicopter? |
| [23:41:27] | kormoc: | jblack_, the helicopter flys the 36 wheeler around |
| [23:41:31] | jblack_: | maybe take your lear jet to france for your bagels? |
| [23:41:46] | AarononCall: | So what do you guys think will be the best solution for me? |
| [23:41:47] | kormoc: | nah, that'd be the SR-71 I have stashed in my backyard |
| [23:42:05] | AarononCall: | hauppage.com |
| [23:42:12] | jblack_: | I found a way to be green. Stay home for a week at a time. Lots of things become optional... like bathing. :) |
| [23:42:20] | AarononCall: | wrong computer lol, sorry. Using synergy here :P |
| [23:42:28] | kormoc: | jblack_, taking a page from clever eh? |
| [23:42:41] | ** sphery wonders if kormoc also bought a basketball court to use as a dining room table ** | |
| [23:42:46] | jblack_: | I'm clever enough. |
| [23:43:06] | kormoc: | sphery, of course, I wouldn't want to use anything small like a volleyball court |
| [23:43:17] | iamlindoro: | covered in sand anyway |
| [23:43:33] | sphery: | but if you get that Dutch sand, it doesn't stick as bad as the Greek sand |
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| [23:43:41] | jblack_: | I'm also green with my lawn. By mowing it bi-monthly, not only do I reduce carbon emisions from my mower, but I'm sequestering all that carbon |
| [23:44:41] | juski: | greener still to never mow it |
| [23:44:55] | sphery: | I wanted a green lawn, but when I started spreading all the chemicals, people yelled at me about runoff and leeching into the waterways and stuff... |
| [23:45:27] | AarononCall: | wait, cant i use a converter box with the dish reciever? |
| [23:45:28] | ** iamlindoro just spreads oompa-loompa hair around ** | |
| [23:45:37] | iamlindoro: | AarononCall, Convert to what? |
| [23:45:43] | jblack_: | No, because then they send me to that funny place where they make me take pills and I have to bathe all the time, and they serve crap food. |
| [23:45:46] | sphery: | converter box = those things that the government bought people with my money? |
| [23:45:52] | AarononCall: | yes |
| [23:45:54] | AarononCall: | lmao |
| [23:45:57] | sphery: | nope, can't use it |
| [23:45:58] | iamlindoro: | the box you are likely thinking of does to RF (analog), not QAM (digital) |
| [23:46:03] | iamlindoro: | er goes to |
| [23:46:13] | jblack_: | well, unless he has an analog tv card.... :) |
| [23:46:37] | sphery: | though you could use it to do analog output to a PVR-150 or HVR-1600 |
| [23:46:39] | iamlindoro: | which is not what he asked about |
| [23:46:56] | iamlindoro: | wouldn't need a digital to analog conversion with dish netowkr to get to analog |
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| [23:47:05] | iamlindoro: | the boxes already *put out* analog |
| [23:47:28] | AarononCall: | I wish i could just use a DVB-S card... Too bad theres no way to break the encryption off of dish network. |
| [23:47:40] | iamlindoro: | AarononCall, such talk is very unwelcome here |
| [23:47:50] | AarononCall: | okay sorry |
| [23:47:50] | juski: | also too bad there's no way to even do it legitimately |
| [23:47:53] | iamlindoro: | we are not thieves and talk of breaking the law is very prohibited |
| [23:48:07] | AarononCall: | let me rephrase |
| [23:48:11] | juski: | same in the UK with our pay tv providers |
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| [23:48:24] | juski: | everything's locked in to their way, or the highway |
| [23:48:30] | AarononCall: | I wish dish network would let me use a card, that supports a cam to read my subscriber smart card with my PC |
| [23:48:40] | juski: | so tell them |
| [23:48:44] | juski: | and when they stop laughing.. |
| [23:48:49] | AarononCall: | i know |
| [23:48:50] | AarononCall: | i know |
| [23:48:51] | AarononCall: | ha |
| [23:49:03] | sphery: | no, force them to allow it |
| [23:49:26] | sphery: | just cancel your subscription and tell them why and get about 99million of your closest friends to do the same |
| [23:49:31] | juski: | just phone em up, say you'd like to cancel because you've realised that everything you wanna watch on their premium channels can be had in box sets :) |
| [23:49:48] | AarononCall: | but they are *supposidly* working on a solution for windows media center... |
| [23:50:04] | juski: | mmm drm |
| [23:50:15] | sphery: | which will likely only work with "approved" devices, including WMC's built in protected-path support |
| [23:50:42] | juski: | and if they say WMC isn't allowed to record/view something, even by mistake.. whoops |
| [23:51:09] | juski: | lots of very incandescent faces all over the place :D |
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| [23:51:58] | AarononCall: | Wait, so my issue with the hd homerun is because i cant tune a QTA ATSC signal with it? |
| [23:52:20] | juski: | no, the issue is that the HDHR can *only* tune QAM/ATSC |
| [23:52:30] | juski: | and the dish box doesn't *output* ATSC or QAM |
| [23:52:59] | sphery: | and the content is encrypted until output from the dish box |
| [23:53:10] | sphery: | so you're limited to what's output from the dish box |
| [23:53:11] | juski: | and there's no such thing as a converter which would turn the dish STB output into ATSC or QAM |
| [23:53:26] | sphery: | meaning HDMI or DVI and Component (for high-def stuff) |
| [23:53:55] | juski: | Component *if enabled* |
| [23:53:58] | sphery: | and since the /only/ thing that can capture high-def on a consumer-grade level (and the only thing at all in Linux) is the HD-PVR, which uses Component |
| [23:54:02] | sphery: | you get to use component |
| [23:54:30] | AarononCall: | Mmmm i might have found somthing |
| [23:54:34] | sphery: | (OK, sure, there may be some embedded device with non-free hardware/drivers that runs Linux, but...) |
| [23:54:38] | ** sphery guesses Black Magic ** | |
| [23:54:41] | sphery: | Intensity? |
| [23:54:42] | iamlindoro: | oy |
| [23:54:44] | juski: | AarononCall: very unlikely |
| [23:54:48] | iamlindoro: | everyone always goes "finding things" |
| [23:54:52] | AarononCall: | http://www.amazon.com/Sling-Media-Slingbox-Tu . . . p/B000HBEKJE |
| [23:54:57] | iamlindoro: | news flash, we really, really know this stuff |
| [23:55:05] | juski: | AarononCall: nope, and NOPE |
| [23:55:20] | sphery: | well, it wasn't the black magic card... I'm officially not a psychic. |
| [23:55:30] | kormoc: | AarononCall, or use a pvr 150, cause it's both Standard Def |
| [23:55:31] | juski: | you won't get HD with that, and certainly not in the kind of quality you might expect |
| [23:55:47] | sphery: | quality would be /much/ worse than HD-PVR |
| [23:55:49] | juski: | those pieces of crap are made for streaming over the web |
| [23:55:51] | iamlindoro: | not to mention you can't get anywhere near myth with that |
| [23:56:00] | AarononCall: | We dont have HD, unfortunatly |
| [23:56:00] | juski: | think youtube quality |
| [23:56:01] | ** sphery wonders why he won't at least consider HD-PVR ** | |
| [23:56:22] | kormoc: | AarononCall, so get a pvr 150, it's like $30, dumps it out in mpeg-2 via hardware encoding |
| [23:56:26] | sphery: | If you don't have HD, then get a PVR-150 (for $20 + S&H from ebay) or an HVR-1600 |
| [23:56:47] | AarononCall: | which one do you reccomend sphery |
| [23:57:00] | iamlindoro: | *facepalm* |
| [23:57:07] | iamlindoro: | *deskface* |
| [23:57:18] | iamlindoro: | *repeated deskface* |
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| [23:57:56] | sphery: | basically, the HVR-1600 is a card that has both a digital tuner (for unencrypted ATSC/QAM) and an analog MPEG-2 encoder for standard-definition content (which is for all intents and purposes identical to the PVR-150) |
| [23:58:10] | juski: | lemme guess. the machine intended to run backend/recording operations has no PCI slots.. :P |
| [23:58:21] | superdug: | wait you mean I can't use my hd homerun with satellite? |
| [23:58:29] | superdug: | is QAM not a universal standard? |
| [23:58:36] | juski: | superdug: NO |
| [23:58:37] | sphery: | so, if you have no intention of dropping DISH, the PVR-150 is a good choice as the digital tuner in the HVR-1600 would just cost you an extra $60+ and provide no benefit |
| [23:59:07] | juski: | superdug: satellite/cable STBs don't output in a way you can capture with the HDHR. END OF STORY |
| [23:59:10] | superdug: | what if I hook DISH up to a amplifier? |
| [23:59:13] | AarononCall: | And i wont see a drop in quality between the two of them? |
| [23:59:16] | juski: | superdug: what if nothing |
| [23:59:20] | iamlindoro: | then you'll have dish hooked up to an amp |
| [23:59:23] | AarononCall: | that doesnt make sense superdug |
| [23:59:26] | sphery: | the only universal standard in television is that pay TV will be encrypted such that it's only available through your set-top box :) |
| [23:59:28] | iamlindoro: | and a little white paperweight |
| [23:59:30] | superdug: | juski: iamlindoro: okay I'll stop |
| [23:59:59] | AarononCall: | Amps arent converters |
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