Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

AndyCap: I'm sure it involves necromancy and some other dark arts

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sphery:

or might just be a manual recording title

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meshe:

sounds like a channel with no listings data

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gbee:

lets just check that he is using a recent version of -fixes first

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AndyCap:

gbee: or the sword of a thousand truths. :P

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meshe:

gbee: but that means i don't get to use my "Jump to Conclusions Mat"

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sphery:

I still haven't bought that movie...

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gbee:

we're getting ahead of ourselves (and the problem), it's pretty simple pressing D (Delete) should popup a notice saying the file does not exist "do you wish to delete anyway", if it doesn't do that then it's a bug

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meshe:

sphery: buy it

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meshe:

i have the jump to conclusions mat at home and an initech cup

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sphery:

yeah, need to

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gbee:

now an identical bug was fixed a while back in -fixes and trunk, so I'll lay money that it's an outdated version

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sphery:

gbee: he's getting that popup and saying yes, and says it comes back

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backslash7:

I don't get that message gbee

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sphery:

07.31 19:57:37 < backslash7> ERROR: recorded file doesn't exist. Unknown. Are you sure you want to delete: Yes / No

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backslash7:

It's nothing like "anyway" or so

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backslash7:

it just repeats the question

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sphery:

you're getting the right popup

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gbee:

but really I can only speak to trunk behaviour because I simply don't remember what the 0.21 code looked like, it's a little different now :)

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backslash7:

0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8

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sphery:

Actually, the one you should get if you use the INFO menu (which is the only way I can guarantee it works) is, "Recording Unavailable" "The file for this recording can not be found. <title>" and has 2 buttons, "Show Program Details" and "Delete"

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gbee:

well it's old, but probably not old enough to miss the bug fix

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gbee:

but I'll leave you in the capable hands of sphery, I'm going to bed

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sphery:

but the one that comes after that may actually be the one that you quoted...

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meshe:

night gbee

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sphery:

yep, the one after the one I quoted is the one you quoted

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sphery:

so, look in your backend logs and check the error message

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orogor:

where s the cutlist and commflag list stored, is it embed in the video or it s linked with the database?

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clever:

database

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orogor:

humm

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orogor:

i did used a callsign to group identical channels , but apparently 2 identical channel one in HD one in SD wants to record the same show at the same tim ,and are tagged as will record

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orogor:

haa no , escuse me , upcoming shows differently

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sphery:

that will happen--especially when you have different grabbers for different channels

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sphery:

or you're using EIT on some and not others

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sphery:

just manually mark one of them Don't Record

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Shadow__X:

hello everybody

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iamlindoro:

Worst out of context remark ever, Food Network Challenge Sugar Episode: "I've never blown a giraffe before."

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Shadow__X:

good stuff

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orogor:

sphery, well in fact i had another channel wit callsign set unproperly and i fixed it and that fixed the double recording issue

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orogor:

Table './mythconverg/inuseprograms' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed

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orogor:

that seems bad

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sphery:

did you try optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

that would also break livetv

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orogor:

nope

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orogor:

mythweb has optimise repair and check tables is that safe ?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

repair

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orogor:

it seems i am only bared fromchannel 1

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orogor:

humm time to sleep

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backslash7:

Does MythTV start a new recording everytime you change channel? If so, when are these deleted?

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iamlindoro:

yes, and a) within 24 hours (if you leave the default), b) immediately (if less than a minute by default), or c) when disk space is needed as necessary

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Dagmar:

24 hours later or whenever it decides it needs space

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backslash7:

cool, thanks

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backslash7:

also, I'm getting bad lags right now

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backslash7:

Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available.

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backslash7:

I'm deleting tons of files as root, maybe root steals performance from mythtv user?

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Dagmar:

Are you using ext3 for your file store?

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backslash7:

Yes

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Dagmar:

Well, for one thing, anything the admin does *always* takes higher priority than user jobs.

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Dagmar:

For the other, that's a known and documented problem with ext3 which is why we say over and over, don't use it to store your videos. Use xfs or jfs.

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backslash7:

Hmm... I can't even switch channels right now

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backslash7:

lol

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backslash7:

too bad, I was asking in ##linux what filesystem to use for a htpc with mythtv

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Dagmar:

When you delete large files on an ext3 filesystem, it journals *the entire* deletion of the file before completing

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backslash7:

ext3 I was told

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backslash7:

okay

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Dagmar:

backslash7: Perhaps you should read the documentation on the wiki instead of asking random people

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Dagmar:

You were lied to

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backslash7:

Perhaps

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Dagmar:

For certain.

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backslash7:

Very much.

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backslash7:

^^

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Shadow__X:

or you can use ext4 and the lose of files is automatic!

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backslash7:

deletion is done

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backslash7:

let's see if it works now

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Shadow__X:

like i did for my desktop

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Dagmar:

Every time you delete a multi-gb file on ext3 the machine will hang up and do nothing but that for as long as it takes, which generally runs from a half-second to several seconds

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Shadow__X:

i used ext4 moved the system and lose a bit of files

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backslash7:

I just code my own ext5 so you can't even read or write

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backslash7:

makes it very performant

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backslash7:

huh

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backslash7:

still not working

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backslash7:

I change channel – "Error was encountered while displaying video"

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, wow, using a unstable, experimental, unfinished filesystem can cause data loss! Amazing!

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yes i know i do regular backups of whats important anyway

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backslash7:

It's already default in Ubuntu isn't it?

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Shadow__X:

backslash7: no it isnt not yet but i believe it is default in fc10 though

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kormoc:

Ugh, I don't trust anything that distro does anyway...

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kormoc:

no it's not

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: you dont trust what ubuntu does?

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kormoc:

Not a inch

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Shadow__X:

hmm how come

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kormoc:

F11 defaults to ext4, but Fedora is a unstable, experimental distro, so it's expected imho

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Dagmar:

THey were written by Ubuntu users?

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Dagmar:

...with a lack of adult supervision?

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: yeah i meant to say fc11

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Shadow__X:

ah ok so then whats a good distro to use

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Dagmar:

Hannah Montana LInux

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jroysdon:

fc is no more, we just call it f, as of f7 (fc6 and below are fc). I just revert to ext3 for f11 installs, no harm

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backslash7:

That's what happens when I change channel: http://pastie.org/567520

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backslash7:

Could anybody tell me what's wrong?

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: so any recommendations for a distro?

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Shadow__X:

gentoo perhaps?

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backslash7:

some channels work though :/ or it's just randomly crashing

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, whatever you want, I don't care

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: ok i was just curious what you use thats all

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kormoc:

That's a different question, I use Gentoo

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mkrufky:

is it Beirdo who runs that logbot?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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kormoc:

Aye

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mkrufky:

...and can i have the code ?

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kormoc:

Aye

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mkrufky:

where can i get it?

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iamlindoro:

mythtv.bierdo.ca

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mkrufky:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

er beirdo

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iamlindoro:

mythtv.beirdo.ca

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kormoc:

Used to be hosted on trac.beirdo.ca, but seems down

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mkrufky:

ah, that explains it

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mkrufky:

heh

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disks86:

Anyone heard anything about HVR-1800 support lately?

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

Myth provides no card support

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iamlindoro:

HVR-1800 analog and digital are already supported in linux

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iamlindoro:

there is a bug in the driver that prevents analog working correctly in myth

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iamlindoro:

the appropriate people are aware

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iamlindoro:

*** END OF REPORT ***

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disks86:

I know they are supported in linux but I can't use mine in Mythtv because it is two devices.

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iamlindoro:

There is nothing about it being two devices that prevents it being used in myth

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disks86:

You have to tune on one and the other is basically an mpeg2 device

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iamlindoro:

erm... sort of

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iamlindoro:

you are misunderstanding the symptoms of the driver bug

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iamlindoro:

see above

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iamlindoro:

It's not two devices, it's one tuner with two device nodes. Both should accept ioctls. However, the handling of them on the encodr node is broken

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disks86:

I don't see how this is a driver bug lol. I can tune /dev/video0 with tvtime and cat /dev/video1 out to an mpg file which I can view in mplayer etc.

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iamlindoro:

You not seeing it and it not being true are two different issues

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iamlindoro:

It's still a driver bug

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kormoc:

disks86, believe what you want, but this conversation isn't going to go anywhere

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disks86:

sigh, all I'm saying is it works outside of mythtv with a little trickery but I can't use it at all in mythtv.

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iamlindoro:

...because of the driver bug

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iamlindoro:

so when that's fixed, you can use it fine

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Shadow__X:

:)

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krisb:

has anyone here by any chance tried BruteFIR?

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devicenull:

I dont suppose there's a list of changes since 0.21 to the current trunk version?

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devicenull:

I'm surprised there hasnt been a 0.22 yet :p

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mkrufky:

oh, i just saw the backlog and i was gonna explain i tto disk86

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mkrufky:

but hes gone

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clever:

can i force mythtv to start expiring things now?

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iamlindoro:

devicenull, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/

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devicenull:

iamlindoro: ah exactly what I was looking for

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devicenull:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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mkrufky:

ftr, iamlindoro & Shadow__X .... the eager hvr1800 user should be watching v4l-dvb hg from time to time and do random testing to see if things work yet

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mkrufky:

i dont think it works YET, persay , ... but its def better now in the master branch than it was last time

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mkrufky:

and im sure the tune ioctl will be handled properly now

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mkrufky:

some other stuff, which i know myth needs, is still broken ... we're fixing little by little

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devicenull:

wow, thats a lot of changes

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devicenull:

any opinions on if running from trunk would be a good idea?

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mkrufky:

only run trunk if you have a specific reason to do so

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iamlindoro:

Unless you are in it for personally fixing bugs/enjoy the challenge of finishing half-compelte features

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iamlindoro:

and are committed to reading every message on the dev and commits lists since .21, and all forthcoming ones

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devicenull:

ahh nm then :p

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devicenull:

any idea where my remote is? you seem to know everything else

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iamlindoro:

Otherwise, .22 will be out in the not-too-distant future

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iamlindoro:

Under the couch cushion

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iamlindoro:

no, the other one

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iamlindoro:

no, not that one

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devicenull:

nah thats where it was last time

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iamlindoro:

the OTHER one

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devicenull:

it ran away with my IR reciever.. I don't want to know what they are doing together

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jblack:

devicenull: They're growing up. They need some time alone

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mkrufky:

wow there have been a lot of changes even over the past week ...... iamlindoro, do you think its worth me updating and rebuilding since the rev i had the other day? i didnt actually do my tests yet — was plannign on starting them tonight

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iamlindoro:

spawning a new process

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, most of this week's changes are bugfixes

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, But if you don't have anything huge in progress, it wouldn't hurt

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mkrufky:

so then it IS worth it

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sphery:

anyone know if you can exit the MythArchive log viewer page without stopping it?

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sphery:

(thought I'd play with MythArchive to see how it works)

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sphery:

i.e. after starting it, when it's on "Running mythtranscode --mpeg2 to fix any errors..." if I select Exit, it continues working, right?

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sphery:

Guess I can find out

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea

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iamlindoro:

DVDs make me feel dirty

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sphery:

ah, yes, then you can go to Archive Utilities to get back to teh Log Viewer

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iamlindoro:

Can't...get...clean...

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sphery:

I just feel like I should at least know how it works.

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iamlindoro:

Don't go making me feel like it should be themed in Graphite

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sphery:

was just about to ask danielk if he realized the socket code was in there

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'd guess you'd have a ton of fun theming it in Graphite... It would give you a lot of new challenges

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iamlindoro:

MythArchive = F It

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iamlindoro:

Also, Mythzoneminder

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sphery:

like all the challenge of rewriting a vast portion of the UI

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sphery:

Yeah, no reason to do MythZM... I won't ever test it.

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sphery:

I'm hoping it goes the way of the MythPhone

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krisb:

iamlindoro: I've been meaning to ask, read something about a default font supposed to be in the graphite tarball, has that changed or did you just forget to put it in there? :p

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iamlindoro:

the original font is no longer used, no extra font needs to be downloaded for Graphite

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sphery:

It's a change to make life easier for you!

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iamlindoro:

having msttcorefonts on your system (as the rest of myth requires) should be adequate

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krisb:

k no worries then

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krisb:

unless the font you first used was better and I want that one instead?

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iamlindoro:

Whether it's better or worse, you can't have it :)

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krisb:

pfft, if its better I'll even hack the kernel if need be to get it to work :p

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krisb:

though I don't know what its called or what it looks like anyway, so I'll just pretend this one is better

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krisb:

one of these days I will have to hack the sata_sil24 driver, the delay before it hard resets the eSATA bus is too short for my external port multiplier to start all the disks

[02:38:54]

krisb:

so it ends up resetting before they are ready, and then it starts all over again, etc.

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sphery:

while you're at it, can you hack the firmware for my Rosewill PCI IDE/SATA cards so they wait a bit longer for drives to initialize or retry on first fail?

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sphery:

^^^ why I'm considering replacing my Myth backend systems (to get a mobo with SATA onboard)

[02:42:24]

krisb:

firmware is a pain in the ass

[02:42:43]

krisb:

err language rules in place here

[02:43:18]

sphery:

yeah, and it's annoying that I can't do anything about their broken firmware

[02:43:38]

krisb:

well atleast this is just a kernel driver

[02:43:51]

krisb:

haven't had time to look at it yet, usually gets all the disks up after 4–5 retries

[02:43:54]

sphery:

all works as long as I power up with the power button... if my system reboots on power restore, it fails to boot

[02:43:57]

devicenull:

bah, mythfrontend seems to have frozen up while trying to play video via lan

[02:44:14]

sphery:

because the firmware on the card stops boot through bios

[02:44:21]

devicenull:

probably because I forgot to mount the remote machine

[02:44:39]

sphery:

it should timeout soon enough and return you to the menu

[02:44:55]

sphery:

then just make sure your filesystem is mounted, re-enter Watch Recordings, and you should be good

[02:45:08]

krisb:

sphery: how long does your powerouts usually last? get an UPS?

[02:45:12]

sphery:

soon enough can be 30s or more

[02:45:19]

krisb:

do*

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devicenull:

yea, its taking its sweet time for timeing out

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sphery:

Generally just power blinks. However the UPSs were taking down my systems far more often than power failures (and often leaving them down) due to surges/spikes/drops causing breakers in the UPS to throw or otherwise requiring a physical button press on the UPS

[02:46:51]

sphery:

My overall uptime has increased drastically since I unplugged my 11 UPSs

[02:46:54]

krisb:

whoa, already forgot how awesome the movie browser in Graphite looks, haven't had time to play with this for a couple of weeks

[02:47:08]

devicenull:

11 upss? holy shit

[02:47:18]

devicenull:

how many machines do you have :o

[02:47:21]

sphery:

lots of computers

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krisb:

cheap UPS'es then :o

[02:47:39]

krisb:

I'm really glad the power here is very stable

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devicenull:

damn I thought I had enough with 3.5

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sphery:

at the time I had 10 + my network switches

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krisb:

theres maybe 1 outage a year or something

[02:48:02]

sphery:

and the UPSs were all across the board--from APC to cheap

[02:48:18]

sphery:

most in the 900VA range

[02:48:47]

sphery:

And since the batteries were toast within 1 year, they were way more expensive than they were worth.

[02:49:15]

sphery:

It's a lot cheaper just to shell into my systems and do a poweroff than to buy UPSs/battery replacements/... just to get them to go down.

[02:49:43]

devicenull:

I have a belkin UPS

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sphery:

(i.e. high cost, no benefit--actually caused more problems)

[02:49:49]

devicenull:

for some reaosn, the battery lasted like 4 year

[02:50:40]

sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking my battery failures may be due to being in the lightning capital of the US

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sphery:

wow, go kormoc !

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kormoc:

:)

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devicenull:

hmmm

[02:52:14]

devicenull:

mythtv keeps screwing up the smbfs mount of the remote machine.. this is odd

[02:52:34]

sphery:

*cough*#6185 and #6640*cough*

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devicenull:

or maybe smbfs just sucks

[02:52:38]

sphery:

excuse me...

[02:52:51]

** kormoc laughs **

[02:53:27]

devicenull:

hmm

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sphery:

actually, neither of those is important at all

[02:53:34]

sphery:

I'm really just joking

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krisb:

hmm

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kormoc:

Still worth getting in :)

[02:54:20]

krisb:

is there some sort of secret setting to enable VDPAU for the internal player in mythvideo?

[02:54:53]

** meshe ponders #6774 **

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GreyFoxx:

krisb: You enabnle it in the playback profile

[02:55:22]

GreyFoxx:

It's not mythvideo specific

[02:56:03]

iamlindoro:

D'oh no wonder my commits list isn't updating

[02:56:04]

Shadow__X:

mkrufky: pull the updates and see if it works

[02:56:11]

iamlindoro:

it's not July in commit-land any more

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krisb:

GreyFoxx: ah thanks

[02:56:20]

krisb:

thats why I couldn't find it

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mkrufky:

what, Shadow__X ?

[02:56:37]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: its ok if you believe it will happen

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sphery:

meshe: best solution for that one is to use the stuff iamlindoro put in... However, $0.01 says the reporter doesn't realize he has to /explicitly/ call load_file_info() to populate that info

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: v4l-dvb

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devicenull:

this is a silly question, I know.. but does mythtv have issues with mpg's for some reaosn?

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krisb:

haven't gotten around to setting up the backend with live TV yet so I haven't touched the playback profiles

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: i am merely suggesting that you might want to watch the commits for a while and test when u see stuff that might affect u

[02:57:37]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: some of the important fixes went in last night

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i will do

[02:57:49]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wanna see if your mplayer gives any info on HDPVR files? mplayer -v -v -v -v -nolirc -nojoystick -vo null -ao null -frames 1 -identify $file

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iamlindoro:

devicenull, mpg is just a container format, and not as far as I know

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: hard at work huh

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: i highly doubt its enough to make myth work, but anything is possible

[02:58:06]

Shadow__X:

right of course

[02:58:14]

mkrufky:

doing a thousand different things at once

[02:58:14]

devicenull:

I can play avi's fine, but when I try to play a mpg mythtv somehow locks up the smbfs mount until I reboot the box

[02:58:20]

devicenull:

I've no idea what could cause that

[02:58:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: if so, #6774 could be closed as user error

[02:58:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, How goes your python binding improvements?

[02:59:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery, It's not a myth bug no matter what

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sphery:

true, but it might be a myth feature request without a patch :)

[03:00:07]

sphery:

I'd just like to see the mplayer output on an hdpvr file to see which way this one goes

[03:01:07]

sphery:

kormoc: sorry... I knew I did the translations wrong. Thanks for fixing!

[03:01:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery, hang on-- suspect it's actually a demuxer issue

[03:01:24]

iamlindoro:

sphery, think mplayer uses its demuxer instead of the lavf one

[03:02:32]

sphery:

wondering if that means you have a magic arg for mplayer to use lavf

[03:02:46]

meshe:

fsck 2 second latency sucks for ssh

[03:03:03]

mkrufky:

would VDPAU work in Xinerama mode?

[03:03:21]

iamlindoro:

sphery, -demuxer lavf

[03:03:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery, But that's just a theory, working on it ATM

[03:03:42]

sphery:

wow

[03:04:03]

sphery:

I didn't realize iamlindoro had been cheating on Myth with MPlayer--but how else could he know her that well?

[03:04:32]

mkrufky:

mplayer is crucial for testing

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mkrufky:

*anything*

[03:05:01]

sphery:

I can't delete these commit messages as fast as they're coming in...

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meshe:

sphery: you delete email?

[03:05:50]

sphery:

yeah

[03:06:04]

meshe:

i just slowly fill up google hard drives

[03:06:06]

sphery:

I figure gossamer does a great job of archiving for me

[03:06:18]

meshe:

ahh, true

[03:06:38]

sphery:

heh, I haven't found any e-mail provider that did e-mail right, so I'm doing it myself. :)

[03:06:43]

meshe:

gossamer is not far from where i work

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sphery:

cool

[03:07:22]

iamlindoro:

ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=1920

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iamlindoro:

ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=1080

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meshe:

i did that for a while, but can't be bothered to maintain a mail server anymore, i just forward everything to google

[03:07:28]

iamlindoro:

(w/ -demuxer lavf)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: patch pending?

[03:08:07]

sphery:

does it work with mpg/nuv?

[03:08:20]

iamlindoro:

should work just as well as myth, since it's the demuxer we use

[03:08:31]

iamlindoro:

ugh, don't make me patch something I don't think is a bug

[03:08:37]

meshe:

lol

[03:08:50]

iamlindoro:

mplayer's demuxer is broken. MPLAYER BUG

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sphery:

iamlindoro: it would be beautiful to see you patch it, then the OP say, "It's still uninitialized!" Then I can swoop in with my, "Because you didn't run load_file_info!"

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krisb:

sweet, now I'm using the internal player with VDPAU

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sphery:

and by patch I meant the bindings--not mplayer

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krisb:

that wasn't hard

[03:10:17]

** iamlindoro sighs **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so you just threw -demuxer lavf in the command line?

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krisb:

now I can even be lazy and don't setup any lirc keybindings for mplayer

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Gumby:

Just got an hd-pvr, how close is 0.22 to being stable? It includes native support for it correct?

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devicenull:

ugh, this is irritating

[03:12:50]

devicenull:

smbfs sucks

[03:12:59]

meshe:

devicenull: yes, yes it does

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sphery:

seems to work on mpeg with lavf

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devicenull:

I never could get nfs working though

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devicenull:

for some stupid reason

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meshe:

Gumby: yes, 0.22 will support HD-PVR natively, and a couple months is the current ETA

[03:14:37]

meshe:

devicenull: nfs is just load a couple modules, create an exports file and run a mount command

[03:14:43]

meshe:

there are tons of tutorials online

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devicenull:

meshe: right, but the NFS process wasnt behaving as I'd expect

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Gumby:

meshe: ah ok. I guess I'll have to compile it myself then. Im nto waiting a couple months. hehe

[03:15:08]

sphery:

no nuv's here... :(

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devicenull:

I may look into it now, since smbfs obviously sucks after I upgraded it

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meshe:

devicenull: cifs maybe?

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devicenull:

hm, maybe thats what I was using before

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devicenull:

I'll try it

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meshe:

that's the new "version" of smbfs

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sphery:

cifs driver is much better than smbfs

[03:17:03]

devicenull:

hmm yea sems to work

[03:17:05]

meshe:

iamlindoro: nice anonymous post

[03:17:09]

devicenull:

I'll let it run for awhile and see what happens

[03:17:17]

iamlindoro:

meshe, what post? ;)

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meshe:

smbfs quit working for me ages ago

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sphery:

meshe: that wasn't iamlindoro--it was iamanonymous

[03:17:23]

meshe:

iamlindoro: ;)

[03:17:33]

meshe:

sphery: lol

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** iamlindoro stands by "This is an mplayer bug" **

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iamlindoro:

if their demuxer is broken, it is not. Our. Fault.

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mazda01:

i know this isn't mythbuntu specific channel but I was curious if anyone could inform me of how to stop mythbuntu from directly going into mythfrontend upon booting up??Â yes, I did ask in ubuntu-mythtv. just waiting for an answer and thought i'd jump over here and ask.

[03:18:16]

sphery:

If their demuxer is broken, you are the resistance!

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devicenull:

hey look! mpg's dont freeze up mythfrontend with cifs

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meshe:

mazda01: try System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications

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Gumby:

are there any issues I will run into with the following setup. trunk, hd-pvr, vdpau

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meshe:

devicenull: good to hear :)

[03:19:46]

meshe:

Gumby: probably lots

[03:20:14]

Gumby:

meshe: lol. I mean any inherent issues with that specific setup, not counting the fact that its trunk

[03:20:15]

Gumby:

hehe

[03:20:41]

meshe:

you should apply the hd-pvr patches that haven't been commited yet

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mycosys:

mazda01 – look in the mythbuntu control center – is an option in there

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mycosys:

join /#mythbuntu

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mycosys:

i need more sleep lol

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krisb:

[=>...................] resync = 5.3% (52608800/976762368) finish=704.1m

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krisb:

*yawn*

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mazda01:

is it the autologin option? i thought that was for auto logging into ubuntu but I guess it makes sense if it's in the mythbuntu control senter

[03:22:03]

mazda01:

senter=center

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mycosys:

nah – there is another option iirc

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mycosys:

tbh cant be arsed going to check, and mine will likely be different to urs anyway since i am using the weekly build thing

[03:24:54]

Gumby:

meshe: which patches are these? Do you have a URL?

[03:28:46]

sphery:

So, when doing a 2-pass transcode with ffmpeg, should it actually write an mpg on the first pass or is mytharchive doing things the hard (on the filesystem and I/O subsystem) way?

[03:29:22]

sphery:

Whenever I've done 2-pass transcodes, the output on the first pass is always /dev/null

[03:29:36]

sphery:

any reason to actually write the file to the filesystem?

[03:29:46]

iamlindoro:

sphery, no

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iamlindoro:

first pass is a calculation for bitrate

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iamlindoro:

second pass uses those calculations to optimize the bitrate/size of file

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sphery:

so I should ask paul-h if we can switch it to output to /dev/null ?

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iamlindoro:

I runno

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Gumby:

will I run into any issues with 64bit ubuntu and .21fixes, vdpau, and hd-pvr?

[03:38:19]

Gumby:

or should I stick with 32bit

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sphery:

vdpaus and hd-pvr support are still development, so you'll get the same issues whether you're running trunk or 0.21-trunk

[03:38:56]

krisb:

FFTW support will not be included in MythMusic

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Gumby:

what about 64bit vs 32?

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sphery:

actually, not necessarily "same" issues, because one is likely to be more up to date than the other

[03:39:23]

sphery:

but 64 vs 32 bit isn't really a problem these days

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krisb:

does mythmusic need a specific version of fftw or something?

[03:39:43]

sphery:

yeah

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Gumby:

ok cool I'll give 64 a shot and see if I can wrap my head around the rest :)

[03:39:53]

sphery:

krisb: I think the newest one doesn't work

[03:40:32]

krisb:

so downgrade to 3.1.3?

[03:40:41]

krisb:

or do I need to go even older?

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sphery:

by "newest 1" I meant subtract 1 from major version number :) I think you need fftw 2.x

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sphery:

You can install it as well as fftw 3 (assuming your package manager doesn't prevent doing so)

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krisb:

no problem

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krisb:

mythplugins configure output isn't exactly verbose, was wondering why it didn't detect fftw even though I had it installed

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sphery:

maybe not... fftw3 should work

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krisb:

installing 2 now so if that works I'm happy

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iamlindoro:

Kormoc is on FIYAH

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krisb:

though I will have to bump up the output framerate for the interface, and have xrandr change it to 24hz for movies

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sphery:

krisb: it's using fftw3, not 2

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krisb:

bah

[03:45:02]

krisb:

well it detected v2 atleast

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sphery:

ah, cool

[03:45:20]

sphery:

might not have the threaded fftw3?

[03:45:31]

sphery:

libfftw3_threads

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krisb:

oh, it needs that one?

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sphery:

that's the fftw3 it uses

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sphery:

is that a different package in your distro?

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krisb:

that explains it then

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krisb:

gentoo, so I will just emerge it again with the threads use flag

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sphery:

looking at configure has a lot of useful info :)

[03:46:52]

iamlindoro:

kormoc is going to need a parachute to slow down

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krisb:

yeah, but output and config.log is totally useless for debugging something :p

[03:47:45]

kormoc:

Ha

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krisb:

usually you get a exteremely verbose config.log which tells you exactly what failed, but this one only has the configure command you ran

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sphery:

krisb: the rest is in invisible ink... Just hold the file up to an incandescent light and watch the rest appear.

[03:50:32]

krisb:

hehe

[03:50:34]

Dagmar:

krisb: This is not your father's GNU autoconfigure script

[03:50:37]

sphery:

Of course, though, we don't recommend actually owning/using incandescent lights--they're way too Earth-unfriendly

[03:50:58]

iamlindoro:

all this mythweb error detection kinda makes me want to break things to see

[03:51:18]

kormoc:

Heh, it just slims things down

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wagnerrp:

well that was fun... xchat just core-dumped

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sphery:

don't worry, you didn't miss anything that we wanted you to hear

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iamlindoro:

Since kormoc is fixing all the bugs in MythWeb tonight, is he doing all the web 2.0 stuff tomorrow?

[03:53:29]

wagnerrp:

well according to beirdo, i didnt miss anything at all

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sphery:

I'm wondering why kormoc is wasting his time fixing bugs in the PHP version of MythWeb. Python is the future of web dev!

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krisb:

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wagnerrp:

im wondering why he's fixing a divide by zero error dealing with systems with zero tuners

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krisb:

05:53:58 <+sphery> wagnerrp is fat

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krisb:

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krisb:

:o

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sphery:

I said phat!

[03:54:45]

wagnerrp:

seems im pretty hot and tempting

[03:54:51]

krisb:

(yeah, I'm that bored I actually did that)

[03:54:53]

iamlindoro:

Actually, your exact phrase was "fizzle-dizzle up in this hizzle"

[03:54:54]

sphery:

I love the way you say that

[03:54:57]

wagnerrp:

sphery is temped by my hot body

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krisb:

FFTW v.3 support will be included in MythMusic

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krisb:

\o/

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, hehe, it's largely cause I have 0 tuners right now :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, You have FIOS TV at home, yeah?

[03:56:16]

kormoc:

Aye

[03:56:21]

iamlindoro:

tried firewire yet?

[03:56:26]

iamlindoro:

could at least play a little

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kormoc:

I did previously, had no luck, but just got my firewire cable from monoprice today, so might as well give it a go!

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wagnerrp:

so i need to figure out why the languages on my file server are screwed up

[03:57:46]

wagnerrp:

i was rewiring the basement earlier tonight

[03:58:13]

wagnerrp:

and i went into mythweb from the command line using wget, just to check and make sure that mythtv was functioning properly

[03:58:24]

wagnerrp:

it replied in portuguese

[03:58:49]

kormoc:

That sounds like a clever issue, when moving a physical cable changes localization....

[03:58:54]

sphery:

So, I think that telling MythArchive to use /dev/null for pass 1 will save like 25 minutes on my system--just for the part where it rm's the 4GB file from my ext3 filesystem

[03:59:43]

wagnerrp:

the encoder actually outputs a file on the first pass?

[03:59:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: would your netrc or wgetrc have specify an Accept-Language or something?

[03:59:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah...

[04:00:02]

Dagmar:

WHy the hell would you do a multi-pass encode and then FAKE one of the passes?

[04:00:08]

sphery:

Trying MythArchive for the first time tonight just for fun

[04:00:10]

Dagmar:

Do you love crappy video quality that much?

[04:00:29]

sphery:

Dagmar: you mean it's better to write the file to the filesystem?

[04:00:57]

iamlindoro:

Umm.. the first pass in a multi-pass *should* fake it

[04:01:07]

Dagmar:

The thing generally done on the first pass is a half-assed attempt at reencoding to the target parameters so that on the second/successive passes it knows if it can/would/should set the parameters higher/lower

[04:01:23]

wagnerrp:

the first pass outputs a separate file with quantizer data

[04:01:30]

Dagmar:

Yeah but telling it to read /dev/null on the first pass is fail

[04:01:36]

wagnerrp:

any video file it may generate just gets trashed

[04:01:38]

iamlindoro:

not read, write

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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[04:06:17]

sphery:

he's burning so much bandwidth with commits his IRC client doesn't have enough to stay connected!

[04:06:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

[04:06:47]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:06:53]

kormoc:

More moving to the laptop ;)

[04:07:57]

iamlindoro:

Now commit new features!

[04:08:00]

** iamlindoro wants to playu **

[04:08:02]

iamlindoro:

play

[04:08:40]

iamlindoro:

Can it rotate on a cube yet?

[04:09:05]

sphery:

why don't you go rotate on a cube?

[04:09:38]

wagnerrp:

sounds painful

[04:09:39]

iamlindoro:

I rotate on a 2D surface, Forbidden Zone style

[04:09:43]

iamlindoro:

kneel before iamlindoro

[04:09:56]

** sphery kneels at the altar of Google **

[04:10:11]

iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFyHTU8tg_0

[04:10:17]

krisb:

god, raid 5 bulding takes forever

[04:10:19]

wagnerrp:

i thought you were supposed to kneel before Zod

[04:10:24]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Zod

[04:10:32]

krisb:

and then when i'm done i have to move over the data and rebuild it one more time which will take even longer

[04:10:53]

iamlindoro:

700 minutes is NOT forver

[04:10:55]

iamlindoro:

forever

[04:11:02]

iamlindoro:

that's less than a day

[04:11:02]

krisb:

it is when I want to play with it now

[04:11:14]

iamlindoro:

ritalin

[04:11:22]

krisb:

yeah I should probably go to bed

[04:11:24]

wagnerrp:

you mean you cant play with your raid array when it is rebuilding?

[04:11:30]

krisb:

considering it's 6am

[04:11:41]

krisb:

well its beeing built for the first time

[04:12:06]

sphery:

but that's not a forbidden zone thing

[04:12:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery, what isn't?

[04:13:01]

sphery:

the youtube

[04:13:10]

iamlindoro:

Zod was trapped in the forbidden zone

[04:13:15]

sphery:

oh...

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wagnerrp:

fargo mad, fargo smash

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sphery:

they should really say that on the wikipedia page

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure they said so that one time in SUPERMAN 2 FOR GOD'S SAKE

[04:14:12]

sphery:

heh

[04:14:12]

iamlindoro:

!trout sphery 80s

[04:14:12]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a 80s trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[04:14:28]

sphery:

I'm recording Superman IV this weekend

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[04:15:03]

wagnerrp:

was superman 4 the one with fusion man?

[04:15:24]

sphery:

Nuclear Man, according to TMS

[04:15:33]

wagnerrp:

somehow born of a nuclear missile thrown into the sun

[04:15:47]

wagnerrp:

because you know... that can happen

[04:15:53]

sphery:

perhaps Slim Pickens got the missile pregnant

[04:16:12]

wagnerrp:

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee hhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[04:16:44]

sphery:

And all this time, I thought it was just an innocent man riding a bomb to his death. How naive I was.

[04:16:58]

Shadow__X:

because you know superman is extremely plausible

[04:17:21]

wagnerrp:

hes solar powered

[04:17:27]

sphery:

I figure I'll get all the info I need to make an informed decision on nuclear energy from watching that movie.

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kormoc:

"Oh god" "Zod"

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Dagmar:

I think they weren't evil.

[04:19:22]

Dagmar:

I think they were just pissed about being made to wear that crappy black lame.

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kormoc:

So why would the X option for 'Allow Open Fail' mean force disable inputs rather then ignore them being missing

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Dagmar:

No idea what you're talking about

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Dagmar:

Hm.... Shifty. An ebay seller with high volume selling a Palm 800w which fails to mention the ESN at all.

[04:25:50]

kormoc:

(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd' or 'mouse' will be disabled.

[04:26:25]

Dagmar:

Oh weird

[04:26:34]

sphery:

wondering if I'm supposed to manually delete the work directory from mytharchive...

[04:26:43]

Dagmar:

Argh there's a differnet way to go about what I suspect youre trying to do

[04:26:54]

kormoc:

Yeah, I'm tring to recall it

[04:27:14]

Dagmar:

kormoc: There was a way to tell it to not get excited about a lack of the core pointer/keyboard but I can't remember the token *sigh*

[04:27:16]

krisb:

kormoc: that option is fun

[04:27:22]

sphery:

AllowMouseOpenFail ?

[04:27:41]

krisb:

spent hours thinking I ran into some nvidia bug that froze my system

[04:27:49]

krisb:

cause I had that problem before

[04:28:08]

krisb:

so I hard rebooted the laptop many times trying different drivers and settings

[04:28:18]

Dagmar:

I can at least give some hints about _how_ I found it--they might help.

[04:28:31]

krisb:

untill I finally figured out AllowEmptyInput seems to disable everything

[04:28:51]

Dagmar:

Running X on my laptop with it's optional PS2 mouse port, you had to edit the bloody config file based on whether or not you had the PS2 mouse plugged in if you wanted to use it

[04:29:05]

Dagmar:

Oh wait! Hah

[04:29:08]

kormoc:

Ahh, got it

[04:29:15]

krisb:

I'll configure it with HAL autodetection when I get around to it

[04:29:17]

Dagmar:

USB mice always exists as far as X is concerned

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kormoc:

I point the mouse to /dev/input/mice, it's a legacy option that's always there

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Dagmar:

You should be able to cheat it that way

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Dagmar:

Yeah the muxed output of all the mice (which might be as few as zero) satisfies the core pointer requirement

[04:30:07]

sphery:

AllowMouseOpenFail worked for me

[04:30:13]

sphery:

and didn't disable mice

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Dagmar:

Even weirder

[04:31:08]

krisb:

nah, time to sleep

[04:31:42]

krisb:

can't play with my speakers or raid array

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krisb:

so no fun

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Dagmar:

Oh... now I se

[04:32:49]

Dagmar:

e... Statically configured keyboards and mice are disabled with that option.

[04:32:50]

krisb:

finally got line in and line out to work simultaneously on my laptop, so tomorrow I can run some proper tests with Room EQ Wizard

[04:32:57]

Dagmar:

Stuff X looks for (and finds) on it's own aren't

[04:33:03]

krisb:

yeah

[04:33:10]

krisb:

and it was enabled by default here

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sphery:

they must have changed that in recent X because I've statically configured both my mouse and my touchpad

[04:33:46]

sphery:

but did so using drivers other than mouse

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krisb:

yeah, I never had problems with that before

[04:34:14]

krisb:

so I just assumed nvidia drivers hard froze everything

[04:34:16]

Dagmar:

Might be usefuk http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x1 . . . /008410.html

[04:34:18]

krisb:

cause I had that problem before

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kormoc:

Ahh! I now know why I ran mythbackend as root, for firewire support

[04:35:19]

RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Excuse my ignorance but what is the "cc kormoc added " to the Jamu ticket mean?

[04:35:33]

Dagmar:

That he's stalking you.

[04:35:45]

kormoc:

RDV_Linux, when you update the ticket, I'll get a email notice

[04:35:59]

kormoc:

RDV_Linux, pretty much exactly like cc in emails

[04:36:13]

Dagmar:

...and stalking.

[04:36:15]

RDV_Linux:

OK thanks. I am still a rookie on all of this stuff.

[04:37:59]

RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Have you finished selecting all your inetref number from TMDB and TVDB? Then got all the metadata and graphics?

[04:38:13]

kormoc:

Aye

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Do you have television in MythVideo?

[04:39:11]

iamlindoro:

(seasons of shows, etc)

[04:39:15]

RDV_Linux:

Great, I assume you are in general ah on how goof graphite looks when populated with metadata and graphics.

[04:39:18]

kormoc:

I do, a bunch of Fraggle Rock and Sam and Max :)

[04:39:27]

kormoc:

Yeah, it looks awesome :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, filename parsing picked everything up right, I assume?

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RDV_Linux:

s/goof/good/

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iamlindoro:

(and presumably Jamu handled all the metadata)

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kormoc:

Aye, so far so good

[04:40:17]

iamlindoro:

cool

[04:40:31]

kormoc:

there was a few files it failed on, but they were very very odd

[04:40:33]

iamlindoro:

I personally think it adds a lot of nice functionality to MythVideo

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** kormoc nods **

[04:40:42]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Seen the OSD with TV stuff?

[04:40:48]

kormoc:

no?

[04:40:52]

iamlindoro:

take a look

[04:41:16]

iamlindoro:

not a huge deal, just handles the season and episode there now

[04:42:27]

iamlindoro:

and actually puts the subtitle in the right place (the same place as in recordings)

[04:42:51]

krisb:

that was the reason I wanted my RAID array up and running now

[04:43:04]

krisb:

so I could put the TV shows on there and try it out

[04:43:06]

kormoc:

ooh! So it does!

[04:43:54]

krisb:

but anyway I will leave that for tomorrow, good night

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so hooked up the firewire, no joy, it changes channels, but no lock or data via p2p

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kormoc:

(or broadcast)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Tried on network TV channels?

[04:44:44]

iamlindoro:

and tried priming?

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iamlindoro:

firewire_tester -n 0 -B -r 5

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iamlindoro:

(assuming node 0)

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iamlindoro:

-n 1 for node 1, etc.

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kormoc:

WOAH!

[04:46:11]

kormoc:

the priming did it

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iamlindoro:

:)

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sphery:

on of kormoc's odd recordings that it failed on was The Cure for Insomnia--had an overflow in the runtime ;)

[04:46:36]

Dagmar:

*blinkblink*

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** kormoc laughs **

[04:46:47]

iamlindoro:

see the firewire_primer.pl script in contrib, edit it for the appropriate prime options for you, and I cron it for 55 and 25

[04:47:16]

iamlindoro:

keeps my firewire primed all the time, only primes when a recording is not in progress, and I never miss anything

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kormoc:

so yeah, only broadcast, but still, better then nothing until the HDPVR shows up :)

[04:49:04]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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kormoc:

Can I scan on firewire to get it to detect which ones are valid?

[04:49:12]

iamlindoro:

not easily

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kormoc:

sad

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iamlindoro:

could probably patch together a script that increments the channel by one, and tries to prime

[04:50:01]

iamlindoro:

when it gets (sync failed) that means no, when it ends with Success, that means yes

[04:50:23]

iamlindoro:

0–999, output successful channels to a text file

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iamlindoro:

would have to let it run for a while, failed primes take a bit

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Dagmar:

Or just run 999 copies in parallel. :)

[04:51:10]

Dagmar:

Nothing bad could possibly come of that.

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wagnerrp:

certainly not... assuming you had the 15 firewire interfaces to handle that many devices

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so you run in broadcast or p2p?

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Dagmar:

Wtf.

[04:53:16]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, broadcast here, never had any luck w/ p2p, but don't think either has an advantage over the other

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Dagmar:

Did the brits standardize on a new minute or something?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

[04:53:34]

Dagmar:

IMDB lists Color of Magic as being UK:191 min | USA:137 min

[04:53:45]

Dagmar:

That's a LOT of minutes to cut out

[04:54:02]

Dagmar:

Was there that much naked male butt and I just didn't notice it in the first part I watched last night?

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I'm getting a higher number then expected with this firewire scanner

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kormoc:

82/122 are valid channels

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iamlindoro:

not bad

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kormoc:

still have 1878 channels to go ;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hmm... i replaced this dual p3 box as my firewall (and sundry task) box due to blatent overkill, and expectations that it was drawing considerable power

[05:24:38]

wagnerrp:

it seems to be idling at 35W

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sphery:

not bad

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sphery:

especially for dual-proc

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sphery:

sounds like it would make the perfect low-noise/low-power frontend

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wagnerrp:

backend maybe

[05:26:15]

wagnerrp:

underpowered for a fronten

[05:26:15]

wagnerrp:

d

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sphery:

well, based on the list, I'd guess it would be perfect

[05:27:42]

wagnerrp:

plus the fact that the ATA controller is borked, and there is a derth of SCSI-to-CF card adaptors

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nighthawk_:

is there sata to CF?

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wagnerrp:

the board doesnt have sata either

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nighthawk_:

CF basically is an ATA interface to begin with

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nighthawk_:

so translating to another bus may not be the best solution

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wagnerrp:

its an old P3 system

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wagnerrp:

i only keep it around because i dont feel like figuring out how to properly cross-compile

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kormoc:

hrm, mini locked up on channel 161...

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linxeh:

how well do atom boxes work as frontends (say with the Nvidia VDPAU stuff), and with HD in mind?

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weiser:

Hey, does anybody know a theme to Mythtv, where it is possible to control the mythtv only by touchscreen?

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backslash7:

Good morning everyone

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backslash7:

I scheduled a recording yesterday evening for the night and this morning my logs were full of error messages, the recording failed.

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backslash7:

http://pastie.org/567719

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backslash7:

Failed to set channel to SE20

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backslash7:

I also started having difficulties switching channels myself yesterday evening, sometimes mythtv would just stop Live TV and complain about "encountered error when switching channel" or so

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gbee:

weiser: not going to be possible until at least 0.22, with full support probably coming in 0.23

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gbee:

older versions of myth were designed purely for remote control not mouse/touchscreens

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weiser:

thanks gbee, I still waiting for the screen, so I can wait...

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clever:

some parts of the old ui will work when 'clicked' (probly with a touchscreen too), but theres no escape key enless you start using the gestures thing, dragging the clicks

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strog_:

hi people i need a little help in startinh mythtv up for the first time

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clever:

but ive found that clicking is a bit more broken in mythui under trunk

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strog_:

i have installed X server and mythtv but they wont start

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backslash7:

strog_: What do you mean by they won't start?

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strog_:

backslash7: 1 sec i just restarted the system ill tell you the exact message

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backslash7:

How are you trying to start mythtv?

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strog_:

backslash7: when i enter the command "mythtv" i get cannot connecto to X server and when i enter "startx" it says cannot connect to X server

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backslash7:

are you using SSH to work on your box?

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backslash7:

Is X server running or not? What distro are you using?

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strog_:

backslash7: im using debian and i work directly on the box with a keyboard

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backslash7:

strog_: So X server is not running?

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strog_:

backslash7: aparently not. but i have installed it

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backslash7:

what's the message after issuing a startx ?

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backslash7:

get X server working first, which has nothing to do with mythtv

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strog_:

backslash7: it woudn't work with startx

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strog_:

backslash7: u know any alternative?

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backslash7:

strog_: If you installed X properly you should be able to start it using "startx"

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strog_:

backslash7: i have an intel chip but not the S3 should i install the S3 legact package? or just the vga type

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laga:

what distribution are you using?

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backslash7:

Debian

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strog_:

backslash7:debian lenny

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laga:

why don't you use a distribution which will set this up automatically for you?

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strog_:

laga: i tried mythbuntu first and saw that didnt start the gui so i thought that starting from ground out would get to solution

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backslash7:

if you can't even get X working it looks bad for you

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backslash7:

again, what happens if you try to "startx"

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laga:

ah, so autodetection doesn't work for you

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strog_:

i get "command not found"

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strog_:

laga: looks like it :)

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[Peter]:

=)

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backslash7:

strog_: You sure you installed X?

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strog_:

laga: i was successful in installing debian with evilwm

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strog_:

backslash: when enterening "apt-get install xmltv" i saw that there was X in it

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backslash7:

strog_: What WM do you want to use?

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strog_:

backslash7: tell me the exact package

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backslash7:

strog_: What WM do you want to use?

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strog_:

backslash7: WM was a testinstallation where evilwm is a gui like kde

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strog_:

but more simpler

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backslash7:

I think xserver-xorg should be fine

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strog_:

backslash7: just the mythtv and whatever it needs for it

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strog_:

backslash7: ok installed it

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backslash7:

yes just install X, a wm, mythtv and xmltv and you should be all set after some configuring

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backslash7:

strog_: It wasn't installed before?

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strog_:

backslash7: i meant that it was installed before i entered the irc chat

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backslash7:

install xinit

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laga:

moar simpler? ;)

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strog_:

backslash7: done

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strog_:

backslash7: i get some problems

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strog_:

the fontsin 100 and 75 dpi and others dont exist

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backslash7:

try installing x-window-system-core

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backslash7:

not sure why these things were not installed as dependencies

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strog_:

backslash7: installing...

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strog_:

backslash7: still get errors

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backslash7:

what about xfonts-75dpi (or 100dpi for that matter, depending on your configuration)

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backslash7:

okay, just install "xorg"

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backslash7:

appearantly you haven't installed any of the dependencies

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strog_:

it tells me " no screens found"

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backslash7:

install the "xorg" package to install required packages

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strog_:

backslash7: xorg is already installed

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strog_:

nexty

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Dagmar:

Install a distribution that isn't so demanding of the 'admin'. Seriously.

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backslash7:

Do you have a config

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backslash7:

strog_: Dagmar is right, why don't you just install ubuntu desktop

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strog_:

backslash7: /etc/X11 u mean"

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backslash7:

you'll have X preinstalled, WM, drivers, everything

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strog_:

and then?

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backslash7:

what and then

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Dagmar:

profit?

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strog_:

where do i go from there?

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backslash7:

go there first

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backslash7:

then there are plenty of howtos on the internets

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strog_:

ok ill try that

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strog_:

thanks

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backslash7:

you will just install the mythtv and xmltv packages and you'll be fine

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strog_:

good

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backslash7:

why did you install debian in the first place?

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backslash7:

have you ever used debian before?

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Dagmar:

s/debian/linux/;

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backslash7:

:P

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orogor:

hi again

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orogor:

sorry to be full of questions

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orogor:

i just changed from autoexpire instead of delete recording to delete recording normally, is that applied at the next cleanup on already deleted files?

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clever:

i think it means that anything you delete will just be deleted, and skip the 'Deleted' rec group

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clever:

but half-deleted files in the 'Deleted' group will probly stay there and expire as normal

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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orogor:

i thought that setting was a good idea at the begining , but ui have many bugged recording , so they are completely uselless

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clever:

ive got alot of recordings where the files are missing atm, so myth is having trouble expiring things

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orogor:

the most weirdo thing is some recording which were done on the wrong channel

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orogor:

clever, i have that issue as well

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clever:

i borked the database and had to restore a month old backup

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orogor:

no idea why it didnt create the files in the first place the logs shows no errors simply the file isn t there

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clever:

so anything i deleted in the past month has returned, but the files dont exist

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orogor:

i also have the issue of shows which are broadcasted as much as 30min late

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orogor:

or some recordign that last 10min instead of 1h

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clever:

digital or analog capture?

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orogor:

iptv and dvb-t

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clever:

ah, totaly diff setup from mone

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clever:

ive just got 1 ivtv card

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

I've become a printer snob

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clever:

Dagmar: ?

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clever:

echo snob | lpr ? :P

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orogor:

bought an a2 banner color printer

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orogor:

?

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Dagmar:

I was about to buy a color laser until I saw "waste toner container" in the description

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clever:

sounds waste-full

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Dagmar:

I'm astonished anyone tolerates it

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Dagmar:

The "dinosaurs" I used to repair when properly maintained never had unfused toner

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Dagmar:

I wonder what corner they're cutting that causes that hideous defect

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orogor:

humm i still have to fix that nuvexport script

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orogor:

apparently it errors because it want to use options which dont exist anymore in ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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orogor:

that s one thing , but the other is that as i understood i configured it to use mencoder and not ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

Last I checked, xris kept it up to date with ffmpeg svn

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Dagmar:

...so if you're using a "release" version of ffmpeg, that's the problem.

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orogor:

Dagmar, gotta make both in accordance , i use nuvexport and ffmpeg ubuntu packages

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Dagmar:

You say this.

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Dagmar:

...but it um, not working, would appear to be somewhat contradictory.

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orogor:

well i did run it manually with deub and used the debug instructtion , googled the error message and found somone alreadyt had this issue

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orogor:

http://pastebin.com/m14c0bf1a

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orogor:

that s the nuvexportrc as i understood it shoudl use xvid in the first place

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mazda01:

im trying to move over my mysql server to new a new machine. what do I need to do with the old machine mysql server? i have amarok, mythtv, and then there is a mysql and information_schema database. i ahve all the databases backed up into seperate files. I am not sure what to do next

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mazda01:

i want to run the master backend on a different machine. any thoughts on the question aboveA?

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orogor:

somethign like restaure the mythdb to the new machine then fix pemission with a grant all

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mazda01:

orogor: well, now I screwed up. I dropped the mysql database because I thought I needed to recreate it and then restore it from the old machine and now I am getting this error: ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 12: TABLE 'mysql.time_zone_name' doesn't exist. OOPS!

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orogor:

haa, that s bad

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orogor:

shouldn t have deleted any db from the old server

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mazda01:

yeah, so the only databases that I need to drop and recreate are mythconverg and amarok? i just leave mysql and information_schema alone????

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mazda01:

i am reinstalling mysql now, hopefully it recreates everything correctly.

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orogor:

leave everythign alone on the old server

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mazda01:

orogor: i already deleted everything on the old server. it no longer has mysql even running on it. i said I have backups of all the databases that were in the old mysql server. mythconverg, mysql, information_schema, and amarok. for some reason phpmyadmin database wasn't backed up but I don't think I am going to mess with the database either. just mythconverg and amarok

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orogor:

amarok will recreate it s own database, you wil only lose stuff like playcount

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orogor:

mysql and information shema always leave that alone

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mazda01:

understood now. ha ha

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mazda01:

weird, i just reinstalled all of mysql but the databases are still in there. any suggestions?

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gbee:

mazda01: uninstalling mysql doesn't remove the databases, you would have to delete those manually

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gbee:

i.e. uninstall mysql, rm -rf /var/lib/mysql, install mysql

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mazda01:

gbee: but I am getting that mysql table error. how do I fix that?

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orogor:

gbee, he crapped out and miss mysql and information schema

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gbee:

where /var/lib/mysql is the location to the databases in your distro

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orogor:

so heneed to get that back or nada will works

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krisb:

does anyone know if the Zotac ION mini-itx boards support HDMI audio output? if they do that would be an awesome frontend

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mazda01:

gbee: i messed around with the database named mysql and dropped it thinking I needed to recreate it and then restore the old mysql.sql file. but after I dropped the mysql database I now get that error mentioned above. it didn't let me drop the imformation_schema database thank gosh.

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krisb:

backup what you need and run mysql_install_db? not sure if it will recreate it without deleting everything first though

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mazda01:

krisb: i have mysql, mythconverg, information_schema, and amarok databases all backed up into .sql files. they were created with autobackupmysql.

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gbee:

krisb: no reason they shouldn't

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krisb:

no problem them, delete everything in /var/lib/mysql and run mysql_install_db

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krisb:

gbee: should and does are two different things :p i'm a bit wary of things that "support HDMI" after I bought a receiver and later found out it was just a HDMI switch

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krisb:

I might aswell add a windscreen wiper motor to the crankshaft and sell my car as a hybrid

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mazda01:

krisb: ok. will do. thanks. when I do a search for mysql in synaptic, do I just tell it to reinstall everything it says is installed? do i rm -rf /var/lib/mysql after or before I do the reinstall of all mysql stuff in synaptic? or do I select the completely remove option, then install it again?

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krisb:

don't know about your distro, but if you have the mysql_install_db script you don't need to reinstall anything

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krisb:

on gentoo it is installed as /usr/bin/mysql_install_db as default

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krisb:

but afk

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mazda01:

as a side question, i have a tv that has 2 options for video 1, it has the yellow, red, and white and also s-video and red and white. if I have my xbox connected to the red, white, and yellow and then also my nvidia mx440 s-video out connected to the tv s-video, will that work? i have audio out from computer onboard sound connected to red and white on the tv for video 1 so that the s-video in has sound. any thoughts?

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mazda01:

will having both connected work i am asking? will i be able to get video out from my nvidia mx440 to the video 1 on the tv if the xbox isn't on? or would I have to disconnnect the red, white, and yellow plugs?

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gbee:

krisb: all nvidia cards/IGPs with hdmi in the last couple of years (probably longer) support hdmi audio

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gbee:

can sometimes be a little lag in the availability of linux drivers, but not long

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gbee:

ION would be pretty useless without it, so I see no reason for them to suddenly exclude the feature

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krisb:

good to know

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mazda01:

any thoughts on question regarding tv with 2 options for video 1 being s-video and composite and having them both with connections? will it work or do I need to have 1 unplugged?

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krisb:

can you switch between S-video and composite input on your TV?

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krisb:

oh, both inputs go to "video 1" ?

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krisb:

I guess it will display the one it detects a singal on first then, or is there a switch between the two?

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krisb:

signal

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mazda01:

krisb: no, i only have tv (coax cable), video 1 and video 2

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mazda01:

krisb: there's no switch, i am hoping it will just display the one that's on. so that don

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mazda01:

t have to unplug the connectors each time. i just need to restart so that I can run nvidia-settings and hope that it see's the s-video connection to the tv

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dougl:

mazda01, I remember a 5700 I had... would desplay on svideo if that was the only thing plugged in or monitor otherwise

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wagnerrp:

mazda01: your card has separate svideo and composite outputs?

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wagnerrp:

every card i have ever seen, those outputs are on the same plug

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juski:

well it's possible to have BOTH but you can bet that they won't be on separate RAM DACs :P

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juski:

mazda01: likely setting display type to composite will kill the colour on svideo & vice-versa

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juski:

unless they've just been lazy/cheap-ass designers & got composite from svideo via a capacitor

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: no, my nvidia mx440 (i think it's a nvidia mx40) has a vga out and a s-video out

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wagnerrp:

basically, if you have svideo, you dont want to use composite

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wagnerrp:

end of story

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mazda01:

when I said i have composite, i was referring to the tv. i don't know if it's composite. whatever is the yellow, white, and red connectors. the tv has video 1, which has s-video red and white, and also red, yellow, white. I have the xbox connected to yellow, red, white, and also i have the s-video conected from the mx440 video card from the computer. I am wondering if I can leave both connected to the tv

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krisb:

1080p digital has spoiled me, I will never use composite again

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krisb:

red and white is for sound

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wagnerrp:

yellow is composite... red and white are unrelated

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wagnerrp:

if both inputs are labelled as 'video 1', chances are the svideo will take priority

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: ok, the tv has coax for tv, and video 1 (composite) and video 1 (s-video with red and white) and also a video 2 composite.

[15:30:36]

wagnerrp:

and you will never be able to use the composite input

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wagnerrp:

youre better off going to radio shack and getting a cheap switchbox

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wagnerrp:

video2 is otherwise unused?

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: oh, so if I have the s-video connected to video 1 as well as xbox connected to composite on video 1 will the s-video work when the xbox isn't on? because now I have both connected and when I turn on video 1 input, the xbox does show up. i am waiting to reboot my computer to then run nvidia-settings and see if the computer will display on the tv over the mx440 s-video.

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: video 2 is for the dvd player.

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wagnerrp:

just get a cheap switchbox, and run it off svideo on 'video 1'

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wagnerrp:

trying to mix and match multiple physical inputs on one logical input will never end well

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mazda01:

why get a switchbox though? because i can't connect both composite and s-video on video 1 input on the tv?

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mazda01:

wagnerrp: ok

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre going to have to get up anyway to turn the xbox on, or put in games/dvds

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wagnerrp:

so its not like a manual switchbox will be that inconvenient

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mazda01:

i don't mind if I have to get up to turn on the xbox, i just want to ahve to unplug either s-video to get xbox to work or unplug composite to get the computer to display on the tv.

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mazda01:

meant to say I don't want to have to unplug either input for video 1.

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gbee:

minimum package versions aren't being bumped following ABI/API changes in linked libs

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mazda01:

figured it out, the composite input won't work when the s-video connector is plugged in from the tv. i can't get audio to come out the tv though from the computer. I hooked up a cord that has a audio mle jack on one end with a white and red connectror on the other end to the tv but no sound from ubuntu comes out of the tv when I have video 1 selected, which is the s-video and red and white plugs on the tv

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mazda01:

nevermind, i had hooked them up to the white and red jacks that are for sound out. now they are hooked up for sound in.

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orogor:

why would somethign have been recorded 2 times if the title is the same adn the setting is record anytime anywhere?

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kormoc:

Differnet subtitle, different programid

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gbee:

different description

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mkrufky:

oooh, i accidentally installed mythtv-status, and i am pleased :-)

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gbee:

if you only wanted one recorded, you needed to select "Find and record one showing"

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sphery:

or different programid

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orogor:

no , it s a TV serie

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orogor:

so i want all episodes, but they are recorded 2 times

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sphery:

but you have guide data from multiple different listings providers, so you will almost always end up re-recording things because the different providers don't agree on a) programid or (if either has no programid) on b) title/subtitle/description

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sphery:

if either is lacking programid, change the duplicate matching policy to your desired

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sphery:

either title, title + subtitle, or title + subtitle + description

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sphery:

(and I think there's some crazy one for EIT people that title + subtitle then description or something

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sphery:

whose purpose I dont understand)

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orogor:

sphery, subtitile is episode title in fact , right?

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gbee:

different methods tend to work better with different guide data, e.g. "subtitle then description" is superior to "subtitle and description" with UK listings

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sphery:

orogor: yeah

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gbee:

default is unfortunately "sub and desc", which apparently is needed somewhere (can't remember where) but is pretty flawed everywhere else

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jams:

nice..my desk usb powered water feature is here. Little smaller then expected but I still like it.

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gbee:

heh

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kormoc:

the $5 usb gadget to destroy hardware?

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jams:

heh it is splashing a bit more then i would like

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sphery:

that must be how it destroys hardware?

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jams:

more worreid about the finish on my desk

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jams:

maybe the 2nd one wn't splash as much ( i ordred two different types). Only one showed up today.

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jams:

guess thats why they suggest adding water every 8 hours.

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orogor:

where the option is?

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kormoc:

orogor, the option to add more water? well, it's an option everywhere, unless you don't have water, I guess

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orogor:

gbee, where is the option for duplicates?

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orogor:

i ve been a bit around in the menus ,c an t find it

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orogor:

gah , it s a per show option only ?

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AndyCap:

jams: what kind of splashing device is this?

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wagnerrp:

usb powered desk fountain

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AndyCap:

hmm, I've been secretly hoping for an indoor fountain comeback

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nighthawk_:

do the vdpau filter options (beyond the deint) make much of a difference in playback quality?

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wagnerrp:

filter options?

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orogor:

i wonder gettign a card with vdpau support as well

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Mango:

does mythtv support DVB-S?

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wagnerrp:

dvb-s... yes

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wagnerrp:

s2... not as yet

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Mango:

what's s2?!

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Mango:

I never heard of it :(

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kormoc:

So check wikipedia?

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Mango:

kormoc: already did :)

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wagnerrp:

oh come on... you need to use that page every chance you get

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wagnerrp:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dvb-s2

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wagnerrp:

and that would be?

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kormoc:

Mango, that's unlikely, and why would you use both it and myth?

[20:06:05]

wagnerrp:

most software that deals with hardware access is not cross-platform

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kormoc:

Well, given it's Windows only and unlikely to work in wine...

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Mango:

kormoc: I tried Myth before and it didn't detect my card DVB-S card. I currently use Kaffeine but it freezes when I change between channels :( I just can't find any DVB software that can work for me

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Mango:

I'm totally frustrated :(

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stoth:

:q!

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stoth:

oops

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Mango:

The only software that I found it great is VLC, but it does have the ability to save many channels and to record :(

[20:09:21]

Mango:

Every time I want to watch TV I have to launch VLC and add the frequency of the channel I want to watch

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Mango:

this is horrible

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wagnerrp:

VLC cant use a channels.conf file?

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kormoc:

So if you've given up on Myth already, why are you in here?

[20:10:18]

Mango:

kormoc: never said I gave up!

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gbee:

DVB-S2 is second generation DVB-S

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gbee:

Mango: if the DVB-S card works in linux and the you give appropriate permissions to the user running mythtv, then mythtv will see it

[20:13:54]

Mango:

gbee: does mythtv have the ability to change the size of the display?

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wagnerrp:

you can set a separate resolution to play video out

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wagnerrp:

but no, it does not dynamically scale the display based off the video size

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wagnerrp:

however, why would you want to?

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Mango:

no no you understood me wrongly

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Mango:

I want to resize the window and do other works on my computer

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wagnerrp:

you can set a custom size for the frontend

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wagnerrp:

but once it is open, it cannot be resized

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Mango:

O_0!

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wagnerrp:

limitations on how mythtv was designed

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wagnerrp:

based off the assumption you would be running it full screen on a tv

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kormoc:

or on a dedicated monitor

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wagnerrp:

it was never intended to be a general purpose media player

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Mango:

yeah that's what missing on Linux distros, a "good" dvb player :(

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Mango:

something like ProgDVB

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sid3windr:

mplayer \o/

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kormoc:

Mango, I look forward to your new program

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not a 'good dvb player', or a 'good atsc player', or 'good ntsc/pal player'

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Mango:

kormoc: I'm a Java program but I'm not really interested in re-creating a DVB player.

[20:19:04]

Mango:

Kaffeine should be fixed

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is a good dvr, with capability of capturing from those sources

[20:19:16]

wagnerrp:

if you just want something to watch livetv, look elsewhere

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kormoc:

Mango, so why bitch about what other people haven't done in their freetime if you're not even willing to do it yourself?

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Mango:

kormoc: I never said anything bad about those great people, but I said what's missing and I "criticized" their programs. Criticizing is good to fix what's missing or what's bad.

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laga:

no

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laga:

in other news: cute cat pictures: http://vision02.com/cat-joins-swimming-club/

[20:23:21]

laga:

i realize it's OT, but it's better than the "send a patch!" debate we have every week ;)

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wagnerrp:

it looks scared

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kormoc:

terrified

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stoth:

Mango, people who walk in the door and say theire frustrated with stuff then compare their experiences to success on other platform usually don't get a warm reception.

[20:24:20]

kormoc:

especially when they decide that the authors just don't know what's wrong and have unlimited time to fix it all up and give it out based on user wants...

[20:24:34]

** stoth nods **

[20:25:02]

** Mango doesn't want to continue this stupid "arguing" **

[20:25:14]

laga:

would you like more cat pictures?

[20:25:24]

stoth:

oh yes, better than the other conversation.

[20:25:34]

laga:

let's see what we've got there then

[20:25:38]

laga:

http://files.sharenator.com/5-s360x736-18306.jpg

[20:25:49]

stoth:

nice

[20:26:07]

laga:

this is a video about cats doing catnip. highly recommended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xrcp6k8VE

[20:26:07]

kormoc:

I just don't want to hear, in mythtv-users, why kaffine should be fixed up or what linux needs to be a valid OS...

[20:29:41]

kormoc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

[20:29:44]

kormoc:

Spiders on drugs

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stoth:

ol

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stoth:

funny

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stoth:

ok, time to take another look at the HVR1800 ioctl / myth issue.

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wagnerrp:

'i havent done any formal performance comparisons, i found that the atom performs comparably to the 2.8GHz P4'....

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kormoc:

ha

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** laga blinks **

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wagnerrp:

funny that all the formal comparisons show the atom getting trounced by even the lowly P4

[20:43:24]

laga:

"i have no clue what i'm talking about, but the mouse moves about as fast as on the P4"

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janneg:

does anyone uses mythweb with konqueror? tv listing aren't displayed correctly.

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kormoc:

janneg, I formally test on Safari and haven't seen any issues?

[20:44:29]

janneg:

clearing of the list_head div doesn't work, I suspect more konqueror bug than a mythweb change

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orogor:

i think i ll get a vdpau card next week i didn t realised the upgrade woudl be that cheap

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janneg:

kormoc: khtml != webkit

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kormoc:

it's typically close enough for the majority of rendering qurks

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janneg:

it was working until a couple of weeks ago (probably only 2 but I don't use the tv listing page enough)

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kormoc:

there's been no changes to that second in months

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orogor:

got a 6600 i could get a 8400 for less than 50â‚¬

[20:48:50]

kormoc:

did you update konqueror?

[20:48:58]

janneg:

I updated mythweb last week after a couple of months not updating it

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orogor:

err 9400

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: depends on what you want the atom to perform of course.

[20:49:57]

janneg:

kormoc: not a major update but I think there was a ~amd64 kdelibs revision update

[20:50:24]

kormoc:

So I fired up a vm and nothing is standing out, what are you seeing?

[20:52:29]

janneg:

listing table is rendered right on the same line of the "currently browsing ..."

[20:53:08]

kormoc:

kde 3 or 4?

[20:53:13]

janneg:

the jump to listboxes are over the table header

[20:53:24]

janneg:

kde 4.2.4

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kormoc:

let me see if I can update, I'm on 3

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[21:02:45]

janneg:

kormoc: I don't think the culprit is in mythweb. I'm back on revision [19203] (20081202) and the problem is still there but

[21:03:12]

janneg:

the mythtv protocol version check is broken

[21:03:22]

kormoc:

ooh?

[21:03:59]

janneg:

mythweb is at version 42 at that stage and my backend is at 45

[21:04:05]

kormoc:

janneg, ahh, no it's not, we cache that now

[21:04:27]

kormoc:

24 hour cache on protocol version

[21:04:28]

janneg:

?

[21:05:07]

kormoc:

It was adding a very large latency on ajax requests, so we decided to cache the protocol version matching for 24 hours

[21:05:07]

janneg:

that's broken

[21:05:19]

kormoc:

well, it's that or every request is a full second or more...

[21:09:15]

kormoc:

so during high backend loads, like streaming in the channel icons, we've seen it take as long as 20 seconds to respond to the check_proto_version

[21:09:20]

janneg:

checking if mythweb's idea of the protocol still matches the cached value shouldn't take much time

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kormoc:

it's the request to the backend that adds the latency

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kormoc:

to get the backend's current protocol version

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janneg:

the backend version has not changed but mythwebs has

[21:10:48]

kormoc:

I'll change that, we cached the last lookup time rather then the version

[21:10:54]

kormoc:

but I can switch that around

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gordonjcp:

hello

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gordonjcp:

does mythtv have a upnp *client*?

[21:11:37]

kormoc:

no

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gordonjcp:

oh

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gordonjcp:

that seems a bit of an omission, that

[21:12:55]

janneg:

kormoc: good. I would reduce the cache time to a couple of hours max

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** laga queues the cat pictures **

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kormoc:

gordonjcp, we await your patches and cat pictures

[21:13:27]

janneg:

gordonjcp: patches welcome

[21:13:49]

gordonjcp:

a) wouldn't know where to start, b) got enough projects of my own crying out for attention

[21:14:15]

gordonjcp:

thanks anyway, at least I won't spend more time trying to find out how to play back videos

[21:14:16]

janneg:

gordonjcp: then live with the omission

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andreax:

Ideas why i dont get any preview images of the recordings in mythweb anymore, since i updated today?

[21:18:20]

kormoc:

updated from when??

[21:18:31]

andreax:

From svn...

[21:18:35]

** kormoc sighs **

[21:18:42]

kormoc:

not where, what changeset were you on previously?

[21:19:16]

andreax:

Urgh, good question... i guess 3 months ago approx.

[21:19:26]

janneg:

kormoc: /usr/portage/kde-base/kdelibs/files/4.2.4-CVE-2009–1690.patch or maybe /usr/portage/kde-base/kdelibs/files/4.2.4-CVE-2009–1687.patch looks related

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kormoc:

can you downgrade to 21058 and try?

[21:20:16]

janneg:

if svn had only git's reflog feature

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andreax:

Okay, ill try...

[21:22:01]

kormoc:

janneg, my VM is still updating KDE (it's a f10 vm)

[21:23:12]

janneg:

kormoc: I'm rebuilding kdelibs without CVE 2009 1690 atm

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Chicago:

Are there such things as PAL Hauppauge-500 cards? Or if someone is selling a PAL Hauppauge 500 on ebay can it do NTSC? I have bought a 500 a few years ago and I think it does both... but figured someone here may know the right answer.

[21:30:03]

krisb:

I have a PVR500MCE and a two PVR350's, both do PAL-BG

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kormoc:

janneg, yeah, I'm on the same version as you are, no rendering issues

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krisb:

atleast they did last time I used them X years ago

[21:30:35]

krisb:

err

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krisb:

I should read more carefully

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krisb:

I believe there are either NTSC or PAL tuners on those cards, but don't quote me on that

[21:31:17]

Chicago:

krisb, okay

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Chicago:

krisb, thanks for thinking about it.

[21:31:32]

krisb:

can't look at mine without powering off the box, but I'm pretty sure I remember it said PAL on the tuners

[21:31:46]

Chicago:

same here... inside a box... can't check.

[21:32:03]

Chicago:

too bad people on ebay don't post PCI hardware ids when they sell a chip.

[21:32:10]

krisb:

I will be able to in ~30 minutes though

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krisb:

installing it right now, but after that I need to reboot it anyway

[21:32:45]

janneg:

kormoc: do know if and which patches are applied against kdelibs?

[21:33:03]

janneg:

http://bugs.gentoo.org:80/show_bug.cgi?id=279187

[21:33:10]

kormoc:

janneg, sadly, no, it's f10 vanilla

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janneg:

kormoc: the full version of the kdelibs package?

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janneg:

kdelibs-4.2.4–2.fc10 or kdelibs-4.2.4–6.fc10

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kormoc:

4.2.4–6.fc10

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janneg:

that has fixes for the same CVEs: //www.mail-archive.com/fedora-package-announce@redhat.com/msg27026.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-package-an . . . sg27026.html

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kormoc:

hrm

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janneg:

doesn't mean it has the same patches

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orogor:

humm it seems all my issues arise from iptv

[21:45:38]

orogor:

no backend or frontend crash today , iptv was disabled

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janneg:

kormoc: commenting /usr/portage/kde-base/kdelibs/files/4.2.4-CVE-2009–1690.patch fixed it

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kormoc:

Huh, good to know

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janneg:

kormoc: http://bugs.gentoo.org:80/show_bug.cgi?id=274566

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gbee:

orogor: please file a ticket for the crashes, following the instructions here – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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gbee:

we can't fix bugs if we are not told about then or given the necessary information to deduce the problem

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jams:

Water splashing problem solved. Nothing a tiny amount of plastic wrap and some tape couldn't fix.

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poodyp1:

water splashing on your myth backend?

[22:09:41]

jams:

planning on using molding some plexiglass later this weekend.

[22:11:02]

stoth:

I have the hvr1800 working in pvrmode via /dev/video1, and tuning as expected, except mythtv backend doesn't list it as a valid mpeg-2 encoder cards. What the magic test myth does?

[22:11:18]

stoth:

this command works correctly:

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stoth:

mplayer -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video1:chanlist=us-cable:channel=$1 pvr://

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stoth:

maybe "m missing a capability?

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stoth:

when I cycle through the menu's under the MPEG-2 Encoder Probed Info shows Failed to Open. Permissings look great. Hmm.

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stoth:

Drivers are patched properly, shadow_x should be happier.... damned if I can get myth to recognise it though.

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andreax:

Hm. Even with 21058 no difference... Still no preview images in mythweb. I wonder why....

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gbee:

jams: got a picture of this fountain/water feature?

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orogor:

odd stuff between pure vuideo and vdpau , apparently my card would support purevideo but not vdpau

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orogor:

:/

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gbee:

early purevideo didn't use dedicated hardware, when they came to write vdpau they didn't want the extra work of writing and maintaining two different versions, one for the old cards and one for the new

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jams:

gbee http://usbgeek.com/prod_list.php?page=11& . . . mp;pgSize=12

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jams:

usb illuminated fountain is the one that showed up today. Illuminated babmoo fountain is on the way

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Greek-Boy:

anyone have a problem of going to mythtv backends setup and it displays black and orange blocks without text?

[22:47:56]

wagnerrp:

are the black and orange blocks in place of text?

[22:48:18]

wagnerrp:

are the black and orange blocks just part of the current theme?

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Greek-Boy:

i think its part of the theme

[22:49:17]

Greek-Boy:

but the text is missing

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Greek-Boy:

i googled

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Greek-Boy:

and found this bug

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Greek-Boy:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+sou . . . /+bug/341898

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wagnerrp:

are you running mythtv-setup over VNC or something?

[22:49:39]

Greek-Boy:

that seems to be related

[22:49:45]

Greek-Boy:

no, directly from the box

[22:50:07]

Greek-Boy:

a guy called mario wrote a patch. I updated from his PPA. it upgrades a nvidia package

[22:50:12]

Greek-Boy:

but it didn't fix the problem

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wagnerrp:

usually lack of text indicates using the OpenGL painter, without drivers and/or a card that support OpenGL

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Greek-Boy:

hmmm

[22:51:18]

wagnerrp:

in theory, the MESA stuff should work

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Greek-Boy:

i'm on mythbuntu by the way

[22:51:30]

wagnerrp:

but in practice, its not even worth trying

[22:51:43]

wagnerrp:

so it would run so slowly, you should just use the QT painter anyway

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Greek-Boy:

where do I change that?

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wagnerrp:

however if the frontend runs just fine, but the mythtv-setup doesnt display properly, something else is wrong

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jimi_:

Can someone tell me what a irda device would show up as in dmesg?

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wagnerrp:

youre running mythtv-setup under the same user that you run the frontend and backend, right?

[22:52:38]

wagnerrp:

jimi_: it would show up as a device that you cannot use for LIRC

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: Yes same user

[22:52:58]

wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: then try dumping the theme cache

[22:53:03]

wagnerrp:

it will be in ~/.mythtv/

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jimi_:

wagnerrp, so my laptop's built in irda wont work/

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wagnerrp:

jimi_: almost certainly not

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jimi_:

wagnerrp, how can i find out?

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wagnerrp:

there *are* a handful of IRDA devices capable of using standard consumer IR

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wagnerrp:

but from what ive heard, none of them work particularly well under linux

[22:54:10]

wagnerrp:

jimi_: mythtv does not support IR devices, we simply hook into LIRC

[22:54:21]

wagnerrp:

so you have to go to www.lirc.org to see if you have support

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jimi_:

i dont know how to find it in dmesg

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wagnerrp:

you probably wont see it in dmesg unless a driver already hooked into it

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wagnerrp:

try using lspci and lsusb

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: i Oonly have config.xml under ~/.mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: mythbuntu probably moves it elsewhere, try /etc/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

or open one of the programs (mythfrontend/mythbackend) in a text editor

[22:56:17]

wagnerrp:

and see what environmental variables it sets

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wagnerrp:

one of them should be the folder that it redirects myth to

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: I just noticed mythtv-front end has the same problem

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jimi_:

damn neither lspci or lsusb show it :/

[22:58:13]

wagnerrp:

jimi_: unless it is slaved through another device, it will probably be on one of those two busses

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wagnerrp:

try being more verbose (-vvvv)

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wagnerrp:

or try in #lirc for better assistance

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: run the frontend with '-O ThemePainter=qt' and see what happens

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jimi_:

When I do gnome-lirc-properties it autodetects linux input device power button, linux input device sleep button, and linux input device video bus

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: still same thing when i use that command

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adham:

hi

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adham:

anybody else have found out that tunner drivers are horribly broken with kernel 2.6.30?

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gbee:

no, but I suspect there are bugs with .29 and .30 which cause failed recordings

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jimi_:

wagnerrp, found it :D

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