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| [00:06:17] | sphery: | defecatn: though I'm not doing it, now, I'm pretty sure that LIRC has been updated to allow multiple instances without compiling 2 builds of LIRC . See "Using multiple different devices simultaneously" at http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html |
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| [00:06:25] | sphery: | i.e. though it used to be a pain, it's now much easier |
| [00:08:54] | sphery: | heh, which means that 3 of the 4 options at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LIRC_with_Mul . . . ernal_Tuners are deprecated |
| [00:08:58] | defecatn: | sphery let me go look. it would be fantastic if it's eaiser. |
| [00:09:00] | sphery: | and the preferred approach isn't even first |
| [00:09:13] | defecatn: | i hate hte problem of having tow of hte same settops with two of the same blasters |
| [00:09:37] | sphery: | though the multi-transmitter parallel one wouldn't be a bad choice if you want to only run one instance and you happen to have a "parallel" port |
| [00:10:19] | defecatn: | Load multiple LIRC drivers using irsend's --device option. For some drivers, including lirc_serial (IR Blaster, etc.), this method won't work with multiple transmitters of the same type. |
| [00:10:22] | Dagmar: | NewEgg gives away dual serial port PCI cards with a lot of crap now |
| [00:10:29] | defecatn: | that's where i was |
| [00:10:37] | sphery: | defecatn: and your STB's don't allow you to set remote codes? I.e. channels 1–16 or whatever (my DISH ones did, so I had them at like 1, 6, and 11 |
| [00:10:57] | Dagmar: | defecatn: Well, that text won't matter to you once you learn how LIRC works |
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| [00:11:21] | defecatn: | sphery not that I found. it's some cheapo set top box the cable company gave out when it went all digital |
| [00:11:32] | sphery: | defecatn: ah... guess then you have to do it the "old fashioned" way |
| [00:11:45] | sphery: | hacking the code a la http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . R-HOWTO.html |
| [00:12:05] | sphery: | got a model/manufacturer? |
| [00:12:21] | defecatn: | leads me to ask. what is a good way of backing up a linux system where I can exclude large storage directories and also restore it pretty easily? |
| [00:12:33] | defecatn: | perferably while the os is still mounted |
| [00:14:04] | sphery: | no suggestions from me... I don't back up my systems (just the info on how I configured them) |
| [00:14:50] | sphery: | and that's only about 8MiB of data. |
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| [00:15:54] | defecatn: | sphery mine probably is a bloated gig or two |
| [00:16:05] | defecatn: | wow 8megs |
| [00:16:14] | defecatn: | yeah |
| [00:16:22] | defecatn: | i just don't want to lose the llirc driver etc |
| [00:16:35] | defecatn: | newer kernel would mean getting that working again etc |
| [00:17:40] | backslash7: | Guys, is it really usual that I have to reboot my box almost every hour because Live TV isn't working anymore? |
| [00:17:57] | sphery: | not at all |
| [00:18:06] | sphery: | is it usual for LiveTV to fail on program transitions? |
| [00:18:08] | sphery: | yes, |
| [00:18:24] | backslash7: | I'm able to watch all TV stations for hours |
| [00:18:26] | backslash7: | then suddently |
| [00:18:27] | sphery: | After it does so, does it usually require a reboot to make it work, again? |
| [00:18:28] | sphery: | no |
| [00:18:28] | backslash7: | freeze |
| [00:18:34] | sphery: | normally just go back into LiveTV |
| [00:18:44] | sphery: | if that's not what's happening, then you have some system or driver level problems |
| [00:18:47] | backslash7: | I exit, restart Live TV and it won't start playing anymore |
| [00:19:02] | sphery: | what error do you get when you try? |
| [00:19:06] | sphery: | frontend logs |
| [00:19:13] | sphery: | and possibly backend logs |
| [00:19:16] | sphery: | pastebin, please |
| [00:21:16] | backslash7: | Do you need the part where it stops working or is the non-working part enough? |
| [00:21:18] | defecatn: | i wish live tv worked better with teh xbox i'm using as a front end |
| [00:21:34] | sphery: | both parts would be ideal |
| [00:21:53] | backslash7: | sphery: ok hang on |
| [00:23:19] | backslash7: | sphery: Does that tell you anything already? root@htpc:~# dmesg | tail |
| [00:23:21] | backslash7: | [ 4412.612751] ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 2 |
| [00:23:47] | defecatn: | driver/motherboard/kernel etc issue |
| [00:23:51] | defecatn: | i'd guess |
| [00:24:05] | backslash7: | also, backend logs say ivtv stopped responding |
| [00:24:25] | defecatn: | did you try different ivtv versions? |
| [00:24:31] | backslash7: | anyway i need to sleep it's 2:30 and I need to get up at six |
| [00:24:33] | backslash7: | defecatn: no I haven't |
| [00:24:39] | backslash7: | you think it helps? |
| [00:25:49] | defecatn: | yeah. maybe google your card with linux and dma timeout and see if someone else had the same issue |
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| [00:26:21] | backslash7: | okay willdo thanks defecatn and sphery |
| [00:26:24] | backslash7: | good night |
| [00:26:24] | defecatn: | actaully |
| [00:26:26] | defecatn: | add pci=noapic to your boot option |
| [00:26:31] | defecatn: | is something that comes up |
| [00:26:33] | Dagmar: | So, unstable hardware, transient crash |
| [00:26:37] | backslash7: | sure? |
| [00:26:37] | backslash7: | cool |
| [00:26:41] | backslash7: | will give it a try |
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| [00:27:29] | defecatn: | goodluck backslash, i hope you get it solved |
| [00:27:44] | backslash7: | thanks man |
| [00:27:45] | backslash7: | see you |
| [00:27:46] | backslash7: | :P |
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| [00:28:07] | sphery: | good luck |
| [00:28:28] | defecatn: | once linux is locked down it's sure nice |
| [00:28:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:29:57] | sphery: | I haven't messed with my Myth boxes since Nov 2008. |
| [00:30:07] | sphery: | It's been /very/ stable in that time. |
| [00:30:19] | defecatn: | i had a fedora core 2 system forever |
| [00:30:27] | defecatn: | only reason i upgraded was to get the two llircs working |
| [00:30:32] | sphery: | (granted, I don't have all the latest -fixes updates, but none of the fixes fix stuff that I use, so...) |
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| [00:30:48] | sphery: | yeah, that's the way to do it |
| [00:30:53] | defecatn: | i miss a lot about the older system. mysql was way faster |
| [00:31:02] | sphery: | upgrade on new myth releases or when forced to for hardware reasons |
| [00:31:25] | defecatn: | i don't know what i'd do if i ever go hd |
| [00:31:43] | sphery: | yeah, I've noticed a lot of people talking about their systems and quoting what I would consider completely unacceptable MySQL performance numbers |
| [00:32:07] | sphery: | seems it's either something with current MySQL or just new configs used by the newest distros |
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| [00:33:22] | defecatn: | if you have any tips on speeding it up please let me know |
| [00:33:27] | defecatn: | it's way worse then what it was |
| [00:34:10] | sphery: | I may find some tips in the near future... I'm actually planning a major upgrade of all my systems in the very near future. |
| [00:34:34] | defecatn: | i'm running a handme down p4 1.8 |
| [00:34:45] | defecatn: | seems pretty good for a server with two tv cards etc |
| [00:34:47] | sphery: | If I find MySQL performance like some of the people have mentioned, I'll do something about it. |
| [00:35:17] | sphery: | Yeah, my backends--including the master backend with MySQL server--are Athlon XP's (2400+ master and 2000+ remote) |
| [00:35:34] | sphery: | so same class--and they work great for my HDTV-only systems |
| [00:35:58] | sphery: | (obviously, though, they can't play back HDTV in real time, but they don't need to since they're dedicated backends--don't run frontends) |
| [00:36:11] | defecatn: | what are options for someone with hd cable and mythtv? |
| [00:36:22] | defecatn: | something that uses a cable card to dump the streams to the hard drive? |
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| [00:36:38] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [00:36:44] | Dagmar: | HD-PVR. |
| [00:36:52] | Dagmar: | ...a-a-a-and that's about it in most areas. |
| [00:37:04] | defecatn: | damn |
| [00:37:17] | sphery: | yeah, you can only dump unencrypted cable to the HDD (using any QAM-capable HDTV capture card) |
| [00:37:17] | defecatn: | i hate teh whole hd tv thing |
| [00:37:29] | defecatn: | it seems like such a hassle |
| [00:37:34] | sphery: | but no support for CableCard/decryption in the US except in "approved" STB's |
| [00:37:40] | sphery: | HDTV is great |
| [00:37:46] | defecatn: | i'm just cheap/lazy |
| [00:38:00] | sphery: | it's just the whole DRM thing that's bad |
| [00:38:01] | defecatn: | to be honest |
| [00:38:15] | sphery: | but no problem if you're willing to vote with your wallet and drop cable/satellite and just use OTA |
| [00:38:42] | defecatn: | yeah, probably the way to go |
| [00:38:45] | sphery: | and, if you can get a few million of your closest friends to also drop cable/satellite, we may actually change their minds about DRM |
| [00:38:47] | defecatn: | install a roof antenna |
| [00:39:01] | sphery: | yeah... And, the $0.00/mo cable bill can't be beat. |
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| [00:39:22] | defecatn: | my cable co just upped rates 8.7% across the board |
| [00:39:34] | defecatn: | they did up inet usage from 50gigs a month to 200 |
| [00:39:39] | sphery: | Instead, you can spend the $100/mo you would have spent on cable to buy or rent DVD's or Blu-Rays of the stuff you actually want to see |
| [00:39:39] | defecatn: | the lone good thing |
| [00:40:12] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm hoping my cable co doesn't institute usage limits |
| [00:40:23] | sphery: | though I'd probably never come close to them, I just don't want them. |
| [00:40:27] | defecatn: | for 87.90 i can get 500 a month |
| [00:40:29] | defecatn: | hell of a inet bill |
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| [01:12:22] | superdug: | sphery: I dropped cable/sat about 6 months ago ... but buying the htpc, antenna, hd-homerun, logitech dinovo, amplifier, and conversion boxes |
| [01:12:38] | superdug: | hasn't exactly made a noticable price cut :-) |
| [01:13:29] | superdug: | only recurring costs is $20/year for schedules direct ... and $12.99 for netflix |
| [01:13:57] | superdug: | hulu, amazon, itunes, netflix, and fancast have filled in the "cable" entertainment |
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| [01:28:09] | wagnerrp: | conversion boxes? |
| [01:29:03] | Shadow__X: | i like convergence boxes |
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| [01:40:32] | wagnerrp: | superdug: dont tell me youre using digital converter boxes with analog tuners.... |
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| [01:43:31] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, but but they have ir ports |
| [01:43:34] | Shadow__X: | that will work |
| [01:44:14] | wagnerrp: | sure, but you SHOULDNT BE DOING IT!!! |
| [01:44:42] | wagnerrp: | a converter box plus an mpeg encoder is easily more than youre going to pay for a ATSC tuner |
| [01:44:58] | wagnerrp: | and youre just going to end up with crappy standard definition content |
| [01:47:57] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, unless you already bought the mpeg encoders and are getting the converter box free |
| [01:48:27] | wagnerrp: | ok, well in that case you STILL SHOULDNT BE DOING IT |
| [01:48:36] | wagnerrp: | !!!!11!11!!!!1oneone! |
| [01:49:04] | dashcloud: | Shadow__X: I hope you at least got boxes with serial ports, so you can avoid the whole ir blaster thing |
| [01:49:58] | Shadow__X: | dashcloud, actually i have qam tuners and i use firewire from my stb's |
| [01:51:20] | dashcloud: | Shadow__X: wait a minute- you're getting the free boxes from the cable co because they're moving to all-digital? |
| [01:51:51] | Shadow__X: | dashcloud, no i pay to rent 2 stb's and they give me 2 free dta boxes |
| [01:51:55] | sphery: | superdug: Heh, yeah. Myth isn't cheap, but I was taking Myth as a given--cable or no. :) |
| [01:52:11] | sphery: | It's kind of a required expense. Cable's the luxury. |
| [01:52:45] | stoth: | Shadow__X which cableco? |
| [01:53:01] | Shadow__X: | comcast |
| [01:53:08] | stoth: | ahh. |
| [01:53:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, ATSC tuners are the way to go for OTA... Only downside is it requires nicer frontend(s) than SDTV. |
| [01:53:53] | sphery: | I can see going with converter boxes/analog encoders just so you can use garbage^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hold hardware for frontends. |
| [01:54:32] | Shadow__X: | stoth, yup the only thing i like about comcast left is that i have a good amount of qam |
| [01:55:09] | stoth: | Shadow__X they also broadcast psip scte (53?) in the clear also now. |
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| [01:55:45] | Shadow__X: | stoth, yeah except my tables are screwed up and dlou is helping me get around that |
| [01:55:47] | Shadow__X: | thanks comcast |
| [01:55:59] | stoth: | bah |
| [01:56:50] | superdug: | sphery: yeah myth was because iPTV or whatever the package for MacOS is .. didn't work :-/ |
| [01:57:20] | sphery: | well, IMHO, that's a good thing--a mandatory upgrade of sorts :) |
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| [01:58:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: s/nicer frontend(s)/frontends from this half of the decade/ |
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| [02:01:28] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, yeah its not like you need a core i7 |
| [02:01:34] | Shadow__X: | which does anyone have one here |
| [02:02:00] | superdug: | I have 14 servers with dual quad core nehalem x5550 xeons in them |
| [02:02:14] | Shadow__X: | superdug, you do or the people you work for does |
| [02:02:15] | superdug: | which is technically a core i7 instruction set |
| [02:02:15] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [02:02:31] | superdug: | Shadow__X: heh, I've got no use for them |
| [02:02:33] | wagnerrp: | s/I have/my employer has/ |
| [02:02:46] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [02:02:54] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, actually he has em in his closet |
| [02:03:53] | superdug: | whole lotta bogomips |
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| [02:09:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, yeah... but for some reason, it seems that a lot of people get into Myth thinking they can use any old computer that's lying around |
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| [02:09:49] | sphery: | I'm a big believer when it comes to the necessity of a powerful frontend, but unfortunately, I've failed to impose my beliefs on the everyone else in the world. |
| [02:11:19] | superdug: | sphery: and an atom is more than enough horsepower for myth-frontend |
| [02:11:27] | superdug: | sphery: combined with the correct video |
| [02:11:33] | sphery: | I'm also a big believer that if you're using Myth because you think it's cheaper than TiVo/Windows MCE/Cable- or Sat-Co PVR's/... you're bound to be /very/ disappointed (after spending /much/ more than you originally planned. |
| [02:12:18] | sphery: | superdug: where correct video means both video /card/ and video /stream/ (i.e. a certain hardware decoder does /not/ like a lot of real-world broadcast video) |
| [02:12:52] | superdug: | I like myth because I've used all the above DVR's ... and myth has fixed the one or two things I've hated about the above mentioned DVR's |
| [02:12:53] | sphery: | Personally, I'd never build a computer with an atom--at /minimum/ I want a few trillion atoms for processors |
| [02:13:16] | superdug: | sphery: heh, have you actually ever played with an atom at length? |
| [02:14:09] | sphery: | no, but I have played with processors from 2003... same diff, right (ignoring power usage) :) |
| [02:14:28] | superdug: | heh ... not at all |
| [02:14:34] | superdug: | the insides of the atom are amazing |
| [02:15:06] | sphery: | yeah, it's good tech and amazingly low power (and amazing that anyone could get an x86 processor--of all instructions sets--to run at such low power) |
| [02:15:29] | superdug: | I made my DNS server fleet out of atoms |
| [02:15:31] | sphery: | but the /only/ computer I have where I want and actually use a lot of CPU is my Myth frontend |
| [02:15:40] | superdug: | mainly because we've got a ton of them laying around |
| [02:15:50] | sphery: | In truth, atom would likely be more than enough for any of my other (non-Myth) computer systems. |
| [02:16:20] | sphery: | or maybe for a dedicated backend (that's not running mysqld) |
| [02:16:58] | superdug: | we use atoms in a lot of stuff where I work ... and the n270's with intel gma500 ... are total crap |
| [02:17:20] | superdug: | but there is emerging tech that will take the atom to hopefully kill the celeron once and for all |
| [02:20:51] | sphery: | well, killing off celeron would definitely be a good thing |
| [02:21:37] | sphery: | one big problem with atom is (at least now), Intel seems to be very concerned about/trying to prevent its taking market share from their other processor line |
| [02:21:49] | sphery: | (so, really, Intel's biggest competitor is Intel, right now) |
| [02:22:12] | superdug: | yeah ... hence why the extra video power isn't coming to them |
| [02:22:14] | sphery: | It will be interesting to see how they deal with/adapt to the changes |
| [02:22:25] | superdug: | nVidia had a big beef with their pricing |
| [02:22:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:23:53] | superdug: | but underpowered video and ram controllers are what's limiting the atom |
| [02:24:14] | superdug: | I've played with atom's with decent video and they're awesome |
| [02:24:35] | superdug: | it is intels worst nightmare ... low cost, low power, good specs |
| [02:24:50] | superdug: | and if the new arms take a foothold ... all bets are off |
| [02:26:15] | sphery: | yeah, if arm gains traction, Intel would have to focus on atom/let it take Core 2 marketshare--just like when Intel had to dump NetBurst and go "back" to the PIII-like architecture of Banias, which led to Core, which led to Core 2 |
| [02:26:33] | sphery: | though the biggest obstacle for arm is MS and Windows (or lack thereof) |
| [02:27:02] | sphery: | I love my GNU/Linux, but I know a /lot/ of people who wouldn't--regardless of price. |
| [02:27:14] | dashcloud: | sphery: windows is not the problem- the apps are |
| [02:28:07] | sphery: | does this mean you know something about a Windows 7 ARM build? |
| [02:28:07] | superdug: | well the arm cortex a9 multicores have a lot of umph |
| [02:28:21] | superdug: | I cringe at the thought of a windows mobile netbook |
| [02:28:36] | sphery: | If so, then Intel has another competitor besides itself. |
| [02:28:57] | dashcloud: | nothing that's not public, but I do know that the number of software packages for windows that are available for ARM must be very low |
| [02:28:58] | superdug: | sphery: win7 won't go arm ... xp on a geode was hard enough for them |
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| [02:29:31] | sphery: | dashcloud: well, if windows isn't on arm, then why would there be software packages for arm/windows? |
| [02:29:32] | superdug: | dashcloud: they've already got an arm operating system ... winmo |
| [02:29:56] | superdug: | IE, office, ... etc all are on arm in some form or another |
| [02:30:04] | sphery: | oh, a cut-down Windows Mobile... |
| [02:30:25] | sphery: | again, not a real problem for Intel |
| [02:30:50] | sphery: | IMHO, that is |
| [02:31:40] | superdug: | sphery: everything is in the cloud ... chrome Os!!! |
| [02:31:58] | sphery: | heh, yeah... |
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| [02:32:16] | superdug: | speaking of which ... is 0.22 ready for chrome? |
| [02:32:16] | dashcloud: | this may be a silly question, but how good is a version of windows that can't install arbitrary windows apps? |
| [02:32:32] | superdug: | dashcloud: that sounds like normal windows to me |
| [02:32:38] | sphery: | Just what I want... Upload all my personal data to the kind and benevolent behemoth that is "Do no evil" Google... |
| [02:33:12] | sphery: | dashcloud: I agree--it's not Windows, regardless of it's name. |
| [02:33:39] | superdug: | wait, are you trying to tell me that Google is in all reality a company with the interests of making money as it's primary focus and has shown little or no regard for personal online privacy before? |
| [02:33:51] | sphery: | and, therefore, no thread to the desktop/laptop mainstays (Intel, especially) |
| [02:34:39] | sphery: | heh, yeah... Google is a "friend" of OS that I would keep closer. |
| [02:34:48] | dashcloud: | it's a shame Via is such a mess- I hear they make a pretty good low-power chip |
| [02:34:51] | sphery: | (Think, "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies...") |
| [02:35:27] | superdug: | dashcloud: Via has always been a lost child in the CPU world ... they do a lot of things okay, but nothing great |
| [02:35:33] | sphery: | dashcloud: yeah, they were doing low-power x86 before low-power was in |
| [02:36:21] | sphery: | unfortunately, at the time, even high-power x86 was underpowered, so the sacrifices you had to make for low-power were too great |
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| [02:37:05] | sphery: | but, now CPU's are generally more powerful than people need and Intel has enough money to force something they may or may not want down their throats :) |
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| [02:37:21] | sphery: | (though, really, atom is good for many systems--just not, IMHO, a mythfrontend :) |
| [02:37:37] | superdug: | yeah ... I'd love to see joe user max out a quad core i7 |
| [02:38:05] | sphery: | yeah. though vista did its best to try to make it happen |
| [02:38:43] | sphery: | it's taken long enough for vista to become almost usable that hardware has moved beyond even vista requirements |
| [02:38:47] | superdug: | what do you mean ... vista clearly states the minimum specs are ... 1ghz processor and 512mb ram***** |
| [02:39:17] | superdug: | ***** = will install, but will not boot |
| [02:40:25] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah uh even a c2d t7400 feels sluggish in vista |
| [02:40:32] | Shadow__X: | vista= sledgehammer to cpu |
| [02:40:35] | sphery: | superdug: yeah, I bought my new laptop with 1GB RAM and it came with Vista. I planned to wipe vista, so didn't need more ram, but wanted restore DVD's for resale of the laptop. HP doesn't give them to you, anymore, but includes an app that writes them for you. It wouldn't run on Vista with 1GB RAM (- whatever shared memory the video used) |
| [02:40:57] | superdug: | heh |
| [02:40:58] | superdug: | NICE |
| [02:41:15] | superdug: | that's what I love most about windows ... it's 100x easier to warez than to legit |
| [02:41:16] | sphery: | after an e-mail to HP, they mailed me DVD's :) |
| [02:41:49] | Shadow__X: | sphery, i plan to call dell when my 10v comes and decline the windows license |
| [02:41:53] | Shadow__X: | get even moar back |
| [02:42:03] | sphery: | superdug: yeah... that's the big problem with DRM in all cases--makes legit usage hard and generally isn't an issue for pirates |
| [02:42:16] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah i agree |
| [02:42:45] | sphery: | Shadow__X: cool... I haven't tried that, yet. Wonder how much HP would have given. |
| [02:42:58] | sphery: | Generally, though, isn't an OEM license for Windows somewhere in the $10-$30 range? |
| [02:42:59] | Shadow__X: | sphery, i have read that i can easily get like 30 bucks or so |
| [02:43:04] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [02:43:07] | superdug: | acer offered me $35 for xp-home on my netbooks |
| [02:43:10] | superdug: | wasn't worth it |
| [02:43:11] | sphery: | nice |
| [02:43:22] | Shadow__X: | sphery, i paid 192 incl tax for my 10v |
| [02:43:36] | Shadow__X: | 30 bucks back gives me money to buy a 2gb ddr2 stick for it |
| [02:43:41] | sphery: | well, since the OEM license /only/ applies to the hardware on which you bought it, it's too bad you can't just use that license on a different system |
| [02:43:56] | superdug: | thats what I love ... all these vendors whining about netbooks ... and then they mention record sales of them in the next sentence |
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| [02:44:02] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah but i have xp from school so its all |
| [02:44:06] | sphery: | Shadow__X: nice... I saw you mention that deal earlier. |
| [02:44:18] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah a buddy of mine got his for 200 |
| [02:44:20] | sphery: | cool. |
| [02:44:24] | Shadow__X: | i can give you the number to the rep i used |
| [02:44:31] | Shadow__X: | i am sure you can get a deal close enough |
| [02:44:50] | superdug: | there was a dell mini deal on slickdeals yesterday |
| [02:45:11] | sphery: | I'm a screen snob... I like my laptops to have a 15.4" screen (anything smaller is too small, anything larger is too much to carry) |
| [02:45:21] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah there are afew there was one that if you bought a select dell laptop yo uwould get the 10v for 150 |
| [02:45:38] | superdug: | http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=1470829 |
| [02:45:46] | Shadow__X: | i used the horror story that was my e1705 which they finally replaced with an awesome precision m6400 |
| [02:45:52] | superdug: | I loved my 13" macbook |
| [02:45:53] | Shadow__X: | and they gave me the 150 deal on it |
| [02:46:31] | superdug: | didn't love the job that was attached to it though ... so I gave it back when I resigned |
| [02:48:40] | Shadow__X: | superdug, thats an ok deal but my 10v is brand new |
| [02:48:44] | Shadow__X: | and i got that great deal |
| [02:48:52] | superdug: | what's a 10v ? |
| [02:48:54] | Shadow__X: | i am sure many peopl ehere can get it for like 200 |
| [02:49:03] | Shadow__X: | its a dell mini 10v |
| [02:49:07] | Shadow__X: | its the mini 9 replacement |
| [02:49:16] | Shadow__X: | and lower model to the mini 10 |
| [02:49:47] | superdug: | Shadow__X: does it have a better resolution than 1024x600 and not have a $30 shipping fee? |
| [02:50:10] | superdug: | that's what I hate about 1024x600 .. just not high enough for a lot of stuff |
| [02:50:21] | Shadow__X: | superdug, mine has 1024x600 bluetooth 6cell batter for 192 next day air shipping and tax incl |
| [02:50:39] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah you can get a hd screen on the mini 10 |
| [02:51:12] | wagnerrp: | a HD screen on a 10" laptop? |
| [02:51:35] | Shadow__X: | yeah give me a sec ill pull up the link |
| [02:51:38] | superdug: | HD meaning 1280x800 I believe |
| [02:52:16] | Shadow__X: | Glossy 10.1 inch HD display (1366x768) WLED |
| [02:52:23] | Shadow__X: | Glossy 10.1 inch HD display (1366x768) WLED |
| [02:52:27] | sphery: | Shadow__X: wow... the cheapest 10v on dell.com/refurbished is $299 |
| [02:52:50] | superdug: | make with the link |
| [02:52:52] | Shadow__X: | sphery, are you sure here just goto their website the base 10v is 299 |
| [02:52:53] | superdug: | I'm interested now |
| [02:52:54] | Shadow__X: | http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/lapt . . . amp;ref=lthp |
| [02:53:00] | wagnerrp: | 1366x768 on a 10" is actually pretty good |
| [02:53:05] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [02:53:09] | wagnerrp: | except it's glossy... |
| [02:53:22] | sphery: | Shadow__X: yeah, I'm saying your new one was cheaper than any of the refurbished ones they have |
| [02:53:40] | sphery: | (that happens sometimes--but it's always cool to see) |
| [02:53:45] | superdug: | how do I get it $192 next day? |
| [02:53:49] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yup also to top it off i got a $25 gift card |
| [02:53:56] | sphery: | nice |
| [02:54:10] | Shadow__X: | superdug, bitch and complain bout past dells you have had and how you feel that you have been screwed over |
| [02:54:34] | superdug: | that'd be kind of hard ... considering I don't buy dell laptops |
| [02:55:18] | sphery: | heh, I've bought probably 12 Dell's (maybe 6 laptops and 6 desktops) and have never owned a single one |
| [02:55:35] | Shadow__X: | because honestly in a 2 year span i have sent my laptop to dell over 3 times i have had dell techs come to my house over 3 times |
| [02:55:42] | Shadow__X: | each time with the same problems |
| [02:55:45] | Shadow__X: | that where never fixed |
| [02:55:57] | superdug: | I only bought mac laptops until the acer aspire one hit stores |
| [02:56:01] | sphery: | so, helping friends/family get good deals on computers has given me quite a buying history with dell (for a non-company) |
| [02:56:01] | superdug: | I bought two of those |
| [02:56:07] | Shadow__X: | after that they finally replaced my defect e1705 with a refurb precision m6400 |
| [02:56:38] | wagnerrp: | god damnit.... |
| [02:56:42] | superdug: | Shadow__X: I would highly recommend Ubuntu Netbook Remix for that 10 |
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| [02:56:59] | wagnerrp: | apparently i recorded 30 minutes of whiney reality tv whore instead of better off ted |
| [02:57:08] | Shadow__X: | the m6400 is noticable heavier so i was like i want to buy a laptop thatll be portable just give me a good deal |
| [02:57:16] | Shadow__X: | so hence 192 shipped next day |
| [02:57:32] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah i have a few os's i want to mess around on with my 10v |
| [02:57:47] | superdug: | Shadow__X: it may or may not run mac os very well as well ;-) |
| [02:57:48] | wagnerrp: | was it a special two hour crapfest? or did better off ted get moved to a different time? |
| [02:57:55] | Shadow__X: | superdug, actually it does |
| [02:58:00] | Shadow__X: | DOH you tricked me |
| [02:58:36] | superdug: | Shadow__X: I replaced the wifi cards in my AAO's for broadcoms that just happen to show up as "airports" |
| [02:58:43] | wagnerrp: | west coast people... iamlindoro... you may want to check your recordings |
| [02:58:51] | superdug: | but UNR is better |
| [02:59:33] | ** sphery frantically checks his Better Off Ted recording ** | |
| [02:59:34] | superdug: | mac netbook was more a novelty thing |
| [03:00:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did it just not air tonight? |
| [03:00:16] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah actually osx runs pretty well on the 10v |
| [03:00:18] | sphery: | I got the reality garbage, too |
| [03:00:20] | Shadow__X: | without modifications |
| [03:00:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no idea |
| [03:00:28] | Shadow__X: | just installing certain kexys |
| [03:00:34] | wagnerrp: | SD had it showing tonight |
| [03:00:35] | Shadow__X: | kext's |
| [03:00:46] | wagnerrp: | i checked yahoo listings, and they matched with SD's data |
| [03:00:46] | Shadow__X: | also you use usb thumbdrives |
| [03:00:50] | Shadow__X: | which is cool too |
| [03:00:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the reality was followed by Bachelorette After the Rose |
| [03:01:00] | superdug: | Shadow__X: I'm very versed in the hackint0sh |
| [03:01:14] | Shadow__X: | i am sure you can get the mini 10 for cheaper than 350 as well |
| [03:01:21] | Shadow__X: | i just wanted to spend around 200 on a netbook |
| [03:01:45] | superdug: | yeah I dropped $350 a shot for my AAO's but that was a year ago |
| [03:02:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no airdate on tv.com, yet... good sign |
| [03:02:25] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah i wanted something portable as my e1705 was pushing the limits and the m6400 tipped the scale over although its a fantastic laptop |
| [03:03:01] | superdug: | Shadow__X: my personal AAO has a 9 cell battery ... which set me back $150 ... which gives me quite a few looks when I say I bought a $150 for a $300 laptop :-) |
| [03:03:11] | superdug: | but ... 11 hours of battery life ... |
| [03:03:13] | Shadow__X: | heh yeah |
| [03:03:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think they're just airing it later |
| [03:03:26] | Shadow__X: | my 6 cell which was a 30 dollar addon will give me about 7hrs |
| [03:03:43] | Shadow__X: | a friend of mine got the same system sans bluetooth for 200 and got it within like 2 days |
| [03:04:01] | superdug: | though my netbook is mainly my primary machine ... combined with bluetooth mouse and cell usb modem |
| [03:04:10] | superdug: | I can use it almost anywhere |
| [03:04:21] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah thats basically why i wanted it |
| [03:04:29] | Shadow__X: | portability and emailing my resume on the go |
| [03:04:34] | Shadow__X: | but esp portability |
| [03:04:44] | Shadow__X: | you get tired of lugging around a 17inch laptop |
| [03:04:46] | superdug: | emailing your resume eh? |
| [03:05:11] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah in the midst of trying to get a job |
| [03:05:15] | Shadow__X: | but thats another story |
| [03:05:29] | Shadow__X: | i am debating finishing school now or doing fulltime job now |
| [03:05:38] | Shadow__X: | but whatever i do itll work out |
| [03:06:06] | Shadow__X: | superdug, how did you get used to the vertical mouse buttons |
| [03:06:17] | superdug: | Shadow__X: bluetooth travel mouse :-) |
| [03:06:22] | Shadow__X: | ah gotcha |
| [03:06:29] | superdug: | they're annoying |
| [03:06:37] | superdug: | if I use the touchpad ... I tap the pad to click |
| [03:06:49] | Shadow__X: | yeah one problem i have with touchpads is how they feel when you move your finger around |
| [03:06:57] | sphery: | be careful with touchpads... you can accidentally copy/paste stuff into IRC with them :) |
| [03:06:59] | Shadow__X: | if the surface has too much resistance i hate using it |
| [03:07:09] | Shadow__X: | sphery, like passwords? |
| [03:07:20] | ** sphery learned to turn off his touchpad just this Sunday ** | |
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| [03:07:40] | sphery: | actually it was an out-of-channel PM |
| [03:07:46] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [03:07:54] | sphery: | pasted to here, though |
| [03:07:58] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [03:08:07] | Shadow__X: | did you get introuble with the elders |
| [03:08:10] | superdug: | ever pasted your clipboard into chat forgetting what you had in clipboard |
| [03:08:20] | superdug: | that's caused some interesting *facepalms* |
| [03:08:24] | sphery: | mainly with the guy who PM'ed me. |
| [03:08:38] | sphery: | fortunately, when people asked questions, I had no details on why/what the PM was about |
| [03:09:17] | sphery: | I've only once pasted my password into IRC--and it was with a normal mouse |
| [03:09:27] | sphery: | I see kormoc do it once every couple weeks, though :) |
| [03:09:28] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [03:09:31] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [03:09:40] | kormoc: | I don't paste, I type directly in |
| [03:09:41] | Shadow__X: | biscuits? |
| [03:09:56] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, thats how real men do it |
| [03:10:12] | sphery: | kormoc: wow... that's impressive--that wasn't an easy password, either |
| [03:10:34] | kormoc: | They only get harder the deeper in I go ;) |
| [03:11:11] | sphery: | I have one password that I only type in (and that I actually memorize). All others are longer/more complex, but accessible via copy/paste once I log in. |
| [03:11:45] | kormoc: | I know a dozen or so, mostly finger memory |
| [03:12:02] | superdug: | sphery: my passwords are insane ... you wouldn't believe how pissed I get at places that don't allow spaces in passwords :-( |
| [03:12:09] | sphery: | yeah, really, I don't know mine--can't type it while eating a popsicle, for example |
| [03:12:38] | sphery: | have to have both hands on the home keys to type it in |
| [03:12:40] | superdug: | keyboard password memory |
| [03:12:58] | superdug: | like when you see your password typed out ... you don't recognize it as your password |
| [03:14:02] | Shadow__X: | i use post it notes on the side of my moniter |
| [03:14:29] | superdug: | Shadow__X: you work for my company don't you? |
| [03:14:42] | Shadow__X: | nope i was kidding but i love how people do that |
| [03:15:07] | Shadow__X: | i am the guy that acts like he is carrying boxes in so someone lets him in |
| [03:15:16] | superdug: | I had a guy bitch to the owner about my 3 month password expiration and not letting him use a previously used password |
| [03:15:35] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [03:15:40] | superdug: | Shadow__X: actually just wear a janitor jump suit and carry around a garbage bag ... gets you anywhere |
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| [03:15:48] | Shadow__X: | good to know |
| [03:16:40] | superdug: | we were looking to go with a colo facility ... so earlier that day I walked in saying I'd forgot my pass and worked for the janitorial company |
| [03:16:46] | superdug: | they gave me a guest pass |
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| [03:16:51] | Shadow__X: | horrible |
| [03:16:54] | superdug: | and I ganked a harddrive out of one of their servers |
| [03:16:59] | superdug: | and brought it with me to the interview |
| [03:17:11] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [03:17:16] | Shadow__X: | you need me because of this |
| [03:17:17] | superdug: | "Hey were you guys looking for this? By the way can we talk about physical security?" |
| [03:17:38] | superdug: | Shadow__X: they were going to be a regional data center |
| [03:17:39] | Shadow__X: | yup |
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| [03:17:43] | superdug: | we didn't go with them |
| [03:17:46] | Shadow__X: | not after that |
| [03:18:40] | superdug: | what does a janitor need to do in a server room? |
| [03:18:46] | superdug: | it's supposed to be dust free |
| [03:19:12] | superdug: | and cameras are great ... you know ... if you actually watch them |
| [03:19:16] | Shadow__X: | vacuum the computers |
| [03:19:29] | superdug: | I like the pen tests I read about online |
| [03:19:44] | Shadow__X: | i like the iphone pen test i read about |
| [03:19:55] | superdug: | where dudes put a trojan on a thumb drive with a bunch of porn ... and dropped it at the front door and out back where people smoked |
| [03:20:04] | SlicerDicer: | Shadow__X: all my passwords are in my brainz |
| [03:20:12] | SlicerDicer: | good luck figuring that out ;-) |
| [03:20:25] | SlicerDicer: | only thing is keeping straight what to use where LOL |
| [03:20:25] | Shadow__X: | SlicerDicer, actually |
| [03:20:28] | Shadow__X: | glad you said that |
| [03:20:29] | SlicerDicer: | as they are largely different |
| [03:20:46] | SlicerDicer: | I am always getting invalid passwords when logging into crap |
| [03:20:48] | Shadow__X: | there are brain studies that they can know what you are going to do before you do it |
| [03:20:50] | Shadow__X: | soo |
| [03:21:01] | Shadow__X: | with enough time someone could figure it out |
| [03:21:08] | SlicerDicer: | pfft |
| [03:21:11] | SlicerDicer: | I wear tinfol |
| [03:21:17] | SlicerDicer: | tinfoil rather |
| [03:21:20] | Shadow__X: | SlicerDicer, :) |
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| [03:22:26] | SlicerDicer: | Shadow__X: I dont know if anybody could figure out what I am going to do honestly.. I am scatterbrained and haphazard like you would not believe... |
| [03:22:47] | Shadow__X: | SlicerDicer, doesnt matter nothing is truely random |
| [03:22:53] | Shadow__X: | no matter how hard you try to be |
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| [03:23:01] | Shadow__X: | it will follow patterns |
| [03:23:07] | Shadow__X: | even at the lowest level |
| [03:23:18] | SlicerDicer: | its all 1's and 0's damn it! |
| [03:23:29] | Shadow__X: | oh noes 2! |
| [03:23:43] | SlicerDicer: | Shadow__X: dont do that you will break the matrix |
| [03:23:44] | superdug: | I store all my password on paper as md5 hashes and reverse the md5's in my head |
| [03:23:58] | Shadow__X: | superdug, of course |
| [03:24:14] | Shadow__X: | i have a dedicated aes 1024 bit processor in my head |
| [03:24:15] | unimaginative: | I'm trying to play back a file that's been encoded in VC-1. I get audio passed through to my surround reciever, but see no video, only a black screen. The frontend log file doesn't offer any clues. |
| [03:24:39] | unimaginative: | I understand ffmpeg can decode VC-1, but not sure how I go about checking |
| [03:25:49] | unimaginative: | Without some sort of mention from the frontend logfile, I'm just lost – anyone know where I should start looking? |
| [03:26:24] | superdug: | heh trying to find the story online ... two guys walked in with a dolly and literally walked out the front door with a multimillion dollar system ... and the security guard is on camera holding the door for them |
| [03:26:46] | Shadow__X: | superdug, yeah i wouldnt doubt it |
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| [03:28:21] | Shadow__X: | hey i found a refurb mini 10 with the hd screen bluetooth 6cell batt for 360 |
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| [03:28:34] | Shadow__X: | also atom z530 |
| [03:29:02] | superdug: | that doesn't exist yet ... |
| [03:30:02] | Shadow__X: | wow found another one just like that one for 340 if i had the money i would prob get it |
| [03:30:07] | Shadow__X: | well dell has systems iwth em |
| [03:31:31] | superdug: | oh |
| [03:31:40] | superdug: | thats still the single core line |
| [03:31:41] | sphery: | unimaginative: the guy you probably need to talk to (to find out if it even works, yet) isn't around now... Pretty sure, though, it doesn't work with Myth |
| [03:31:47] | sphery: | (except /maybe/ trunk) |
| [03:31:58] | superdug: | and still 1.6 GHz |
| [03:32:09] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [03:32:35] | unimaginative: | sphery, I've never ran trunk, just 0.20 / 0.21 |
| [03:32:54] | unimaginative: | I *thought* that ffmpeg included support for VC-1, but not sure if my local version has the suppport built in |
| [03:33:00] | Shadow__X: | havnt really used an atom exesively so i am going to try it with an open mind but i know itll be faster than the omnibook 500 i am currently on |
| [03:33:08] | unimaginative: | but I'll check back tomorrow – Thanks! |
| [03:33:13] | Shadow__X: | its pretty good for free |
| [03:33:18] | superdug: | Shadow__X: the z5xx support intel VT |
| [03:33:22] | sphery: | unimaginative: well, Myth doesn't use the system ffmpeg libs, so you'd have to use mplayer or ffmpeg at least |
| [03:33:24] | Shadow__X: | although why did p3 laptops like to run super hot |
| [03:33:29] | superdug: | why the hell you'd use a virtual machine on an atom is beyond me |
| [03:33:35] | sphery: | though it would likely require a /very/ new version of either (possibly development version) |
| [03:33:45] | unimaginative: | okay |
| [03:33:56] | sphery: | and like I said, I'm almost positive that you won't get it working in 0.21-fixes |
| [03:34:05] | sphery: | fortunately 0.22 is "right around the corner" |
| [03:34:17] | Shadow__X: | sphery, like next week? |
| [03:34:38] | GreyFoxx: | well heck with this. I was gonna use fuse for remote streaming DVDs to/from a remote backend. But using nbd is infinitly simpler |
| [03:34:50] | GreyFoxx: | and basically works outta the box |
| [03:34:57] | sphery: | like more devs are thinking it's time for a release than at any time since 0.21 was released :) |
| [03:35:14] | Shadow__X: | ah wow ok |
| [03:35:20] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: no superuser privs or anything required? |
| [03:35:24] | Shadow__X: | when was .21 orig rls date |
| [03:35:37] | sphery: | Shadow__X: around 17mos ago? |
| [03:35:45] | GreyFoxx: | superdug: At work we have an atom running vmware. It runs 1 exchange box and 1 bes server :) |
| [03:35:46] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [03:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | but its not heavily used :) |
| [03:36:12] | Shadow__X: | GreyFoxx, how snappy is that |
| [03:36:15] | sphery: | Shadow__X: Mar 8, 2008 |
| [03:36:23] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [03:36:30] | GreyFoxx: | Shadow__X: quite |
| [03:36:37] | Shadow__X: | whats the normal time between rls's |
| [03:36:49] | sphery: | Shadow__X: and 0.21-fixes was usable within 2 weeks of that date :) |
| [03:36:55] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I'm gonna experiment with that now |
| [03:37:12] | Shadow__X: | sphery, hmm would'nt that be considered bad? |
| [03:37:20] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: cool... would be great if we could get an out-of-the-box solution that requires no special perms/setup by the user |
| [03:37:53] | sphery: | Shadow__X: well, I figure it was just the devs way of ensuring that people learn early that they should be using the -fixes branch instead of the release tarballs. :) |
| [03:38:07] | Shadow__X: | ah ok gotcha that makes sense |
| [03:38:50] | sphery: | really, though, it was just that a lot of parts didn't get sufficient testing on sufficiently-different systems until the release was made |
| [03:38:53] | Shadow__X: | wow this is new you can only listen to pandora for 40 hours free |
| [03:39:15] | sphery: | i.e. we needed more testers before the release, but didn't get them, so had to fix issues that were identified post release |
| [03:39:28] | Shadow__X: | sphery, well no matter what i will test |
| [03:39:28] | sphery: | Shadow__X: really? |
| [03:39:36] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah for the free account |
| [03:39:38] | Shadow__X: | i just hit the limit |
| [03:39:56] | sphery: | what about last.fm? I've heard it's now available for US users (and that it's still free for US/UK/<somewhere else>) |
| [03:39:58] | Shadow__X: | sphery, also when i wanted to try and actually do work on mythtv |
| [03:40:14] | Shadow__X: | sphery, last.fm has been available for us along time |
| [03:40:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [03:40:19] | kormoc: | sphery, now available? it's been years |
| [03:40:23] | sphery: | on the bright side, I found the flash player for pandora was awful |
| [03:40:28] | Dagmar: | I wasn't aware they were ever *not* available for the US |
| [03:40:32] | unimaginative: | Somehow I damaged my left front speaker |
| [03:40:41] | sphery: | kormoc: not years... it was UK only when I went to look at it |
| [03:40:45] | unimaginative: | but the center and right speakers are fine. |
| [03:40:46] | unimaginative: | weird. |
| [03:41:30] | Dagmar: | I totally didn't realize dfletcher hung in sparkfun |
| [03:41:33] | sphery: | germany is the 3rd country that's free |
| [03:41:42] | kormoc: | sphery, I signed up in 2007 and used it ever sense |
| [03:41:48] | Shadow__X: | sphery, spotify |
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| [03:42:25] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, May 30, 2007, CBS bought last.fm, so they probably made it available then |
| [03:42:44] | kormoc: | sphery, whoops, 2005, see http://www.last.fm/user/kormoc |
| [03:43:04] | kormoc: | 26611 Plays since 23 May 2005 |
| [03:43:09] | sphery: | really |
| [03:43:16] | sphery: | wow, how time flies |
| [03:43:31] | sphery: | I wish I remembered when I went there and it was UK only |
| [03:45:18] | kormoc: | 2005 was when last.fm was started, previous to that it was just audioscrobbler |
| [03:45:32] | iamlindoro: | re: VC1, depends on the container |
| [03:45:37] | sphery: | kormoc: it must have been after that, because I went there in response to a message on the list, and first mention of last.fm on the list was May 5, 2006... |
| [03:45:51] | iamlindoro: | VC1 in Mpeg-ts support was added post-.21 |
| [03:45:52] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm guessing their IP geolocating just failed to work properly |
| [03:46:17] | sphery: | and for all these years, I was thinking it was UK only because it said, "We're sorry, but last.fm is not yet available in your area." |
| [03:46:19] | kormoc: | sphery, in early 2006, they added in 12 different Languages, so it seemed to be not overly locked down |
| [03:47:03] | sphery: | I need to get myself one of those Lost wheels so I can go back in time, see the error, then write them an e-mail telling them to fix their site... |
| [03:47:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19090/tr . . . mpegtables.h |
| [03:47:30] | iamlindoro: | I know this because I was the one to reported it not working to get that fix ;) |
| [03:47:33] | sphery: | so trunk is required? |
| [03:47:38] | iamlindoro: | if the container is TS, yes |
| [03:47:39] | sphery: | won't work with -fixes? |
| [03:47:54] | iamlindoro: | nope, one would get audio w/ a black screen |
| [03:48:13] | sphery: | hey, that's exactly what unimaginative is getting |
| [03:48:21] | sphery: | too bad he's not here, now |
| [03:48:30] | iamlindoro: | day late and a dollar short |
| [03:48:47] | sphery: | (didn't want to mention your nick because I figured you were out having a life) |
| [03:49:01] | sphery: | well, by my clock, it won't be a day late for another 11 minutes |
| [03:49:03] | iamlindoro: | climbing mountains on my bike |
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| [03:49:33] | iamlindoro: | Triathlons to complete and all that |
| [03:49:39] | sphery: | so, it turns out I'm going to have to test out last.fm |
| [03:49:50] | sphery: | just wonder if it has the same flash-based garbage that pandora did |
| [03:49:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I'll never know how you have time... |
| [03:49:55] | iamlindoro: | when will the myth plugin be done? ;) |
| [03:50:06] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, on the server site I can "share" out the dvd blocki device as any user |
| [03:50:13] | ** kormoc dies a little more from the heat... ** | |
| [03:50:19] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, getting up very early in the morning to go to work so that I can train in the afternoon :) |
| [03:50:28] | GreyFoxx: | on the client side I have to run nbd-client as room to map it to the local blocki device |
| [03:50:37] | GreyFoxx: | so maybe a suid script or something |
| [03:50:59] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, The important thing here is... very fit women. |
| [03:51:06] | iamlindoro: | I'll *make* time. ;) |
| [03:51:08] | Dagmar: | *drool* |
| [03:51:08] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [03:51:16] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: on the bright side, I don't use Myth to play DVD's, so whatever you end up doing works for me. :) |
| [03:51:18] | GreyFoxx: | then map/unmap the device each time the playback starts |
| [03:52:09] | GreyFoxx: | this makes the DVD streaming simple. really simple as long as the user has nbd-client/server installed. we write out a tmp config file and authorized ip list at backend startup if they have it turned on and away we go |
| [03:52:29] | GreyFoxx: | barely a few lines of code in myth |
| [03:53:07] | GreyFoxx: | Or make the setup/teardown of the nbd-server a protocol triggered event |
| [03:53:15] | GreyFoxx: | so it knows who to allow |
| [03:53:47] | ** GreyFoxx kicks off the matrix in mythfrontend streamed from his backend in the basement in his dvd changer ** | |
| [04:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | yes, I think this will do nicely |
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| [04:00:54] | wagnerrp: | you mean you cant stream the dvds directly through mythtv? |
| [04:01:03] | GreyFoxx: | not from remote machines |
| [04:01:14] | wagnerrp: | i bet you could have wipped up something to do that with python |
| [04:01:25] | GreyFoxx: | getting the data is simple |
| [04:01:32] | ** wagnerrp pokes kormoc ** | |
| [04:01:36] | GreyFoxx: | the problem is that libdvdcss accesses the block device directly |
| [04:01:47] | ** kormoc kills wagnerrp with his bare hands ** | |
| [04:01:51] | GreyFoxx: | so its more for fooling that since we do not package out own copy |
| [04:02:10] | clever: | GreyFoxx: you could run libdvdcss on the server end |
| [04:02:13] | clever: | and stream its output |
| [04:02:41] | GreyFoxx: | yes but I don't want the backend involved with playback in anyway |
| [04:02:52] | GreyFoxx: | it's just a dump file server |
| [04:02:55] | GreyFoxx: | err dumb |
| [04:03:00] | wagnerrp: | and trying to seek back and forth would get messy |
| [04:03:21] | GreyFoxx: | This works without having to worry about that |
| [04:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | still lots of testing and tweaking to do though. But so far quite promising |
| [04:04:03] | Shadow__X: | anyone have a dell axim x50 |
| [04:04:30] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, I bet someone at Dell would |
| [04:04:53] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, that shows you have never called dell tech support |
| [04:04:55] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [04:05:11] | iamlindoro: | I got a bunch of Axim's free a few years ago, I used to squeeze my dell rep for free stuff, herh |
| [04:05:43] | Shadow__X: | mine used to work fine but it sat for awhile and now doesnt want to turn on |
| [04:06:10] | Shadow__X: | yeah when i get a job i will def try and get free stuff |
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| [04:06:38] | iamlindoro: | Well, You need to be spending enough money with them for them to consider it |
| [04:07:15] | iamlindoro: | But we were spending a few hundred grand a year (which is sorta small-mid business cusp) and I could get the occasional printer, PDA, and stuff like that... the big boys get *serious* free stuff |
| [04:07:24] | iamlindoro: | But a small buyer won't get jack, sadly |
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| [04:08:07] | Shadow__X: | hmm yeah i meant when i get a job and order stuff |
| [04:08:27] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, Management orders... you'll need to claw your way up a bit first :) |
| [04:08:36] | iamlindoro: | but it'll come |
| [04:08:47] | Shadow__X: | yeah atleast i love learning and want to get better |
| [04:09:10] | Shadow__X: | also although i am still learning i can still shut up and listen |
| [04:09:31] | iamlindoro: | Shutting up and listening is a skill many people never learn, so good for you |
| [04:09:46] | iamlindoro: | Even when you know what you're doing, it's still good to shut up and listen :) |
| [04:09:57] | Shadow__X: | oh how you are right |
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| [04:20:55] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet, this works for isos too |
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| [04:29:26] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, nice, thanks for the commits on those python binding tickets |
| [04:29:34] | ** kormoc isn't done yet ;) ** | |
| [04:30:22] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [04:31:45] | ** iamlindoro presses F5 on the commits list ** | |
| [04:32:04] | wagnerrp: | well if you commit mine, ill just come right back with more patches |
| [04:32:22] | wagnerrp: | RDV wanted some 'delete_recording' and 'force_delete_recording' commands |
| [04:33:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, have the url for the aspect mythweb patch? |
| [04:33:45] | iamlindoro: | oh, hang on |
| [04:34:33] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://pastebin.com/m6776a1e8 |
| [04:34:39] | wagnerrp: | looks like ive got some patching to do anyway |
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| [04:35:18] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, did you add the -deinterlace to the stream_flv? |
| [04:35:36] | jblack: | I have a problem with the Enter IMDB # screen being stuck on the edit videos screen. |
| [04:35:42] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, yeah, that was me, feel free not to use that part |
| [04:35:42] | Shadow__X: | i think i will work on batch select :) |
| [04:35:48] | Shadow__X: | anyone want something like that |
| [04:36:05] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, know if it eats up cpu on non-interlaced content? |
| [04:36:11] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I personally think it makes the streaming much nicer looking |
| [04:36:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Beleive it's ignored when there's no interlaced material |
| [04:36:30] | kormoc: | works for me then! |
| [04:36:37] | sphery: | someone should have bought kormoc a myth box a long time ago! |
| [04:37:13] | iamlindoro: | jblack, That means your theme is not compatible with your version of myth |
| [04:37:21] | jblack: | Thank you |
| [04:37:24] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:37:41] | xris: | kormoc: mythweb already deals with aspect ratio. the problem is that it's rarely actually filled in on the backend. |
| [04:37:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, and you know how that patch file was created? cause it's showing up kinda garbage |
| [04:37:49] | kormoc: | xris, for channel icons? |
| [04:38:02] | xris: | oh, sorry, was thinking vids. |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | so 6418 and 6464 are merged in now? |
| [04:38:18] | jblack: | I'm surprised the "Blue" theme isn't compatible |
| [04:38:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, made it locally w/ svn diff, but can create an actual file if you like |
| [04:38:34] | jblack: | I must be misversioned |
| [04:38:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I'm getting rejects and corruption, like perhaps the whitespace got converted |
| [04:38:58] | iamlindoro: | could be pastebin.com I guess |
| [04:39:06] | kormoc: | yeah... a new file would be nice |
| [04:39:08] | sphery: | jblack: or misinstalled (i.e. you were using packages in /usr and then you compiled from source in /usr/local and made a mess) |
| [04:39:22] | jblack: | I stick with the distro version. :) |
| [04:39:36] | sphery: | kormoc: patch -B... ? |
| [04:39:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythweb.diff |
| [04:39:44] | jblack: | but I may have the frontend held. |
| [04:40:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, yeah, that worked great, thanks |
| [04:40:04] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:40:12] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, worth looking at that one locall before committing |
| [04:40:24] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I am not sure about something he does on the recorded programs screen |
| [04:40:41] | iamlindoro: | it allows the individual recordings to be of varying heights-- but I don't know enough web-fu to fix that |
| [04:41:00] | iamlindoro: | (or even enough web style to know if that's okay) |
| [04:41:18] | jblack: | nope. /me wonders if the grey theme has it too |
| [04:41:25] | jblack: | yeah, the grey theme too. |
| [04:41:25] | kormoc: | yeah, I want to move a bit of that over to the CSS anyway |
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| [04:41:40] | iamlindoro: | jblack, What version of myth are you using? |
| [04:41:48] | sphery: | heh, not -B... it's -l in patch |
| [04:42:07] | sphery: | anyway... I'll shut up since I'm not helping. |
| [04:42:23] | jblack: | this calls itself 0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8 |
| [04:42:37] | jblack: | It's not a big eal |
| [04:43:03] | sphery: | jblack: --version |
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| [04:43:09] | sphery: | works on mythbackend and mythfrontend |
| [04:43:19] | sphery: | that is the version you're /actually/ using |
| [04:44:07] | jblack: | 19961, library api 0.21.20070304–1 |
| [04:44:33] | sphery: | same for both? |
| [04:44:37] | iamlindoro: | It's possible you don't have a corresponding theme package |
| [04:44:44] | jblack: | Does the backend matter? |
| [04:44:50] | jblack: | it's a different machine... |
| [04:44:52] | iamlindoro: | theoretically .21 themes shoudl still work w/o that popup being stuck there |
| [04:45:01] | sphery: | oh, different machine won't affect the theme |
| [04:45:29] | jblack: | let figure out which package the them is in, and make sure it matches. |
| [04:46:21] | jblack: | mythtv-common has the theme, and it's at the same version as mythtv-frontend |
| [04:46:23] | iamlindoro: | What the deuce |
| [04:46:33] | iamlindoro: | Why is my Better off ted full of reality show? |
| [04:46:39] | sphery: | they didn't air it |
| [04:46:51] | iamlindoro: | horse crap! |
| [04:46:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, tried to warn you west coasters |
| [04:46:58] | sphery: | you missed wagnerrp's emergency broadcast announcement |
| [04:47:04] | sphery: | just delete and allow re-record |
| [04:47:12] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for biking the mountains |
| [04:47:16] | iamlindoro: | Indeed |
| [04:47:28] | iamlindoro: | Though allowing me to bike the mountains is just what myth is for :) |
| [04:48:30] | sphery: | The scary part about BOT, is that it's not showing on the listings for the next 2 weeks |
| [04:48:40] | iamlindoro: | I show it next week |
| [04:48:50] | sphery: | (it's in my Myth listings because Aug 4 hasn't been updated, but it's not on the zap2it listings) |
| [04:48:57] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [04:49:06] | sphery: | yeah, Monday of next week you won't show it on Tuesday of next week :) |
| [04:49:24] | iamlindoro: | or, presumably, --refresh-all |
| [04:49:54] | sphery: | well, if you really feel like downloading all your listings again... |
| [04:50:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i just get an unnamed rerun on the 4th |
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| [04:51:50] | sphery: | looks like Superstars 8–9:30 and then Scrubs rerun |
| [04:52:02] | iamlindoro: | btw, http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB-update.png |
| [04:52:13] | iamlindoro: | Those are the newest usability update things for the PBB in Graphite |
| [04:52:25] | sphery: | trying to get people excited about Scrubs before next season's complete cast replacement |
| [04:52:47] | sphery: | words? |
| [04:52:57] | sphery: | didn't have them before, right? |
| [04:53:00] | iamlindoro: | yes, the little tags on the screenshots |
| [04:53:02] | sphery: | I like the icons at bottom |
| [04:53:29] | jblack: | damn. those tmdb instructions didn't actually update the frontend |
| [04:53:40] | sphery: | heh, they're garbage |
| [04:54:01] | sphery: | jblack: what happened? |
| [04:54:11] | sphery: | did it tell you it didn't update?\ |
| [04:54:33] | jblack: | it said it did, but looking at general settings, it didn't. |
| [04:54:52] | sphery: | yeah, since it still calls imdb.pl, but imdb.pl is now a link to tmdb.pl |
| [04:54:58] | jblack: | OHHHH. I see why. It's a symlin.. yeah |
| [04:54:59] | sphery: | i.e. 0 changes in Myth |
| [04:55:34] | sphery: | Who dares question the tmdb.pl page? |
| [04:55:40] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Mythweb changes look good, thanks-- it's a little touch, but the icons look nice (and it makes one eager to find the nice icons with transparency... which I ahve done :) ) |
| [04:55:52] | kormoc: | :) |
| [04:57:35] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: when you issue a 'delete + rerecord', is there a special protocol command for that? |
| [04:57:46] | wagnerrp: | or do you have to make the changes in the database yourself? |
| [04:58:13] | jblack: | YAY! Covers again. I love you guys so much. |
| [04:58:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there's a protocol option to do it, aye |
| [04:58:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: FORGET_RECORDING |
| [04:58:43] | wagnerrp: | ah! competely missed that one in the list |
| [04:58:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: first DELETE_RECORDING or FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING, then FORGET_RECORDING |
| [04:58:52] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [04:58:52] | sphery: | i.e. you have to do both |
| [04:59:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I like the new changes in Graphite |
| [05:00:11] | wagnerrp: | looks like they both just take a program info string |
| [05:00:26] | sphery: | sounds right |
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| [05:00:57] | sphery: | too bad wagnerrp isn't doing Perl bindings at the same time as Python bindings |
| [05:01:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery, thx |
| [05:01:24] | ** wagnerrp knows about enough perl to be able to read it ** | |
| [05:01:28] | sphery: | it may be that the python bindings have surpassed the perl bindings |
| [05:01:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that puts you /way/ ahead of me |
| [05:01:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you'll need to use FORCE for 'missing' files |
| [05:02:00] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, we'll likely default to FORCE in mythweb |
| [05:02:07] | iamlindoro: | kormoc is on fire |
| [05:02:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im just adding the functions, RDV is the one who wants to use it |
| [05:02:22] | sphery: | kormoc: defaulting to FORCE would be bad for users who have filesystems that aren't connected |
| [05:02:25] | sphery: | would create orphans |
| [05:02:30] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:02:31] | kormoc: | crap |
| [05:02:47] | kormoc: | okay, so we need to catch it and prompt the user :P |
| [05:03:58] | sphery: | should do a DELETE_RECORDING , then if it "comes back", ask user if they want to do a FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING (ideally explaining that if the file is on an unmounted filesystem--such as one on a backend or file server that's shut down--it will leave a multi-gigabyte Little Orphan Video) |
| [05:04:14] | sphery: | which is what you said 1:10 seconds before me |
| [05:04:29] | kormoc: | I really want to be able to scan SGs too, so we can detect and all that jazz via mythweb... |
| [05:04:41] | wagnerrp: | ill leave that up to whoever is using the bindings |
| [05:04:54] | wagnerrp: | how does mythvideo scan remotely? |
| [05:05:10] | kormoc: | Does it? |
| [05:05:15] | kormoc: | I didn't know it did |
| [05:05:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro would know |
| [05:05:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it will scan the remote SGs even if the file systems are not locally mounted |
| [05:06:27] | iamlindoro: | Greyfoxx knows it best, but yeah, mostly through some additions to the storagegroup code |
| [05:06:59] | kormoc: | nice, will have to look into that |
| [05:07:06] | iamlindoro: | see his set of six commits for those which pertain to storagegroup.cpp and videoscan.cpp |
| [05:07:18] | iamlindoro: | and dirscan.cpp |
| [05:07:46] | sphery: | though maybe you should wait 'til after 0.22--because I think if some pretty major work isn't done on MythVideo, the SG support needs to be disabled for the release |
| [05:08:02] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [05:09:24] | wagnerrp: | i dont see anything wrong with the videos |
| [05:09:33] | sphery: | then again, if someone pops up with his 11th hour changes just before the release, it might be nice to have the patch in waiting... |
| [05:09:49] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think the metadata storage groups should be enabled unless some code gets added to push files to the remote drive |
| [05:10:04] | sphery: | IMHO, until we remove support fo non-storage-group videos, there's a huge problem |
| [05:10:11] | sphery: | that results in double entries |
| [05:10:12] | iamlindoro: | I don't think they should be enabled until we are prepared to say goodbye to the "local" versions of everything |
| [05:10:17] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [05:10:17] | sphery: | exactly |
| [05:10:20] | iamlindoro: | jinx |
| [05:10:27] | sphery: | you owe me a coke! |
| [05:10:41] | sphery: | btw, I don't drink soda, so you're off the hook |
| [05:11:19] | iamlindoro: | and that means finishing SG support, having a way to stream a file into the SG (or moving metadata download into the backend), updating the filebrowser widget to support storage groups, removing all the old code for local stuff, etc. |
| [05:12:07] | iamlindoro: | and probably at least one or two things I have thought up that I'm forgetting right now |
| [05:12:43] | iamlindoro: | oh, like a generic way of asking for a list of all the files in an SG (using the SG code instead of what's specific to MythVideo) |
| [05:13:08] | iamlindoro: | would be extra nice if it returned it as a WStringList of myth:// URIs |
| [05:13:12] | iamlindoro: | er QStringList |
| [05:13:29] | ** iamlindoro looks accusingly at sphery ** | |
| [05:13:49] | ** sphery cowers ** | |
| [05:14:00] | wagnerrp: | looks like QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST |
| [05:14:38] | iamlindoro: | That's what was added for the SG stuff... but it has some limitations that make it not generic |
| [05:14:51] | iamlindoro: | and don't ask me what they were because I can't remember until I look at the mythvideo code :) |
| [05:15:01] | iamlindoro: | for the Video SG stuff, that is |
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| [05:19:23] | wagnerrp: | well thats just funky... |
| [05:19:34] | wagnerrp: | '-1' means 'success' for DELETE_RECORDING |
| [05:20:04] | sphery: | yeah, 'cause now the total number of recordings is -1 from what it was :) |
| [05:20:50] | Shadow__X: | bulk delete anyone heh |
| [05:21:21] | Shadow__X: | ah nvm everyone here likes to keep recordings |
| [05:21:49] | sphery: | Shadow__X: you can do bulk delete by putting a bunch of recordings in a playlist then using playlist options to delete |
| [05:22:10] | Shadow__X: | oh really i didnt know that |
| [05:22:16] | Shadow__X: | thank you sphery |
| [05:22:56] | sphery: | I use it all the time--that's how I delete the series I don't watch (the ones that get cancelled before going anywhere) |
| [05:23:39] | Shadow__X: | sphery, yeah thats my issue i record afew episodes of something then decide bleh i dont want this |
| [05:23:46] | sphery: | from the left hand column, find the series, MENU, Add this group to the playlist, MENU, Playlist Options, Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
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| [05:25:12] | jblack: | hrmmmm |
| [05:25:21] | Shadow__X: | sphery, sweet thanks |
| [05:25:26] | Shadow__X: | thatll help me out a bunch |
| [05:26:03] | Shadow__X: | i think when i get a chance i might want to add some functionality to mythweb |
| [05:26:41] | Shadow__X: | i will thoroughly test it though also i need to check out itouch streaming in trunk and hear wagnerrp advice to get it to transcode on the fly |
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| [05:44:29] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be completely failing at FORGET_RECORDING |
| [05:48:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it doesn't remove the recording from oldrecorded--it simply flips the duplicate from 1 to 0 |
| [05:48:35] | wagnerrp: | its like your psychic or something |
| [05:48:42] | sphery: | (specifically, duplicate in recorded and oldrecorded) |
| [05:49:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, everything i was trying returned '0', and the entry stayed in oldrecorded |
| [05:49:25] | sphery: | heh, I've gone through this once before when someone was debugging mythweb code |
| [05:50:45] | sphery: | it does remove Never Records, though (recstatus = 11) |
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| [09:12:26] | jduggan: | quiet here this morning |
| [09:12:27] | jduggan: | :O |
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| [09:12:50] | ** laga screams ** | |
| [09:12:51] | laga: | better? |
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| [09:15:56] | jduggan: | thanks |
| [09:16:13] | jduggan: | i was about to go crazy |
| [09:16:14] | jduggan: | :) |
| [09:19:11] | laga: | :) |
| [09:19:21] | laga: | people are probably taking their vacation right now |
| [09:19:31] | laga: | i'm at work and it's rather empty here |
| [09:19:41] | jduggan: | im at work |
| [09:19:43] | jduggan: | and its empty here |
| [09:19:48] | jduggan: | but thats because i work alone |
| [09:19:50] | jduggan: | :( |
| [09:20:01] | laga: | hum |
| [09:20:04] | laga: | get some pets? |
| [09:20:10] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [09:20:14] | jduggan: | i have you guys |
| [09:20:16] | jduggan: | :D |
| [09:20:23] | laga: | now that's scary |
| [09:20:35] | jduggan: | hahah |
| [09:20:41] | jduggan: | i was just being facetious |
| [09:20:42] | jduggan: | :) |
| [09:20:49] | laga: | ;) |
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| [09:33:38] | FisherPrice70: | Hi, has anyone had troubles with TV since the latest kernal upgrade on Jaunty |
| [09:34:09] | peque: | Hey there – are there any reported problems with downloading from SVN server |
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| [09:35:08] | peque: | Trying to make the newest build on ArchLinux and getting this error! ==> Starting build()... |
| [09:35:09] | peque: | svn: OPTIONS of 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins': could not connect to server (http://svn.mythtv.org) |
| [09:35:09] | peque: | ==> SVN checkout done or server timeout |
| [09:37:20] | laga: | let me try |
| [09:37:53] | laga: | huh, i dont seem to have a pkgbuild here |
| [09:45:44] | peque: | Hmmm – I can look into the server – But cannot get'em to build the package – error while getting the files |
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| [10:04:22] | gbee: | decided smart is useless, drive keeps suffering read failures even though smart seems to think it's in otherwise perfect health |
| [10:05:54] | clever: | Jul 26 03:22:17 olddell smartd[8903]: Device: /dev/sda, FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP DATA NOW! |
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| [10:06:18] | clever: | that drive does indeed have some kind of damage |
| [10:06:28] | clever: | i cant get an install to work |
| [10:06:33] | clever: | but it seems to work ok for swap |
| [10:06:57] | clever: | once or twice, i heard that deadly clicking and then a program i was using seg faulted |
| [10:07:11] | juski: | IMHO SMART is better than nothing at all |
| [10:07:44] | clever: | its never really saved anything for me |
| [10:07:55] | clever: | i only started using smartd after the drive went tits up |
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| [10:21:59] | gbee: | IMHO aye probably, but I've had drives slowly fail with no warning from smart and others reporting lots of errors but they've worked perfectly for months/years |
| [10:22:37] | gbee: | anyway, ordered the new drive |
| [10:23:09] | gbee: | storage on my dev backend will now be 2Tb – for no good reason, I wasn't running out of space :/ |
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| [10:38:09] | peque: | Well – can someone tell me if there's a problem with the SVN reposity – I'm half through and entire system update and syddenly the SVN arrent responding and I'm not able to grab it from there – allhough the first maxchine is almost done – just missing the plugins – but cannot download em |
| [10:39:00] | clever: | gbee: just consider it an early investment |
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| [11:15:03] | gbee: | clever: that's exactly what I am doing, don't have to be happy about it though |
| [11:15:44] | gbee: | anyone have a Thermaltake Soprano? |
| [11:17:30] | gbee: | among all of the dire ATX cases available for under £50 it's probably the least ugly, bigger than I wanted and tower rather than media centre, but very well spec'd |
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| [11:30:25] | mzb: | gbee: if you run an extended smart test, find the LBA for the error, and then "poke" a hole by shoving zeros into the bad block (not sector) then you should be able to get a clean test on the next run |
| [11:30:37] | mzb: | (assuming that there _is_ only one error;)) |
| [11:30:59] | mzb: | the hard part is calculating the _exact_ position and size of the hole |
| [11:32:06] | mzb: | I usually forget how to do all the tricky calculations ;) ... so I now tend to overcompensate by blanking several blocks around the one giving errors |
| [11:33:59] | gbee: | mzb: done that, the error keeps moving LBA, so it's not a one-off problem |
| [11:34:19] | mzb: | how many did you fix? |
| [11:34:56] | gbee: | 3, which considering the drive was entirely without problems 24 hours ago ... |
| [11:35:20] | gbee: | not really bothered about fixing it now that a replacement is on the way, it's only an old 250Gb |
| [11:35:25] | mzb: | hmm ... these errors often travel together |
| [11:35:28] | mzb: | ah |
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| [11:36:14] | gbee: | I might re-format it with ext3 and see if it's possible to keep it in circulation for a little longer as a system or backup drive |
| [11:36:38] | mzb: | mind you, 3 is not a lot of errors |
| [11:37:24] | mzb: | if you're going to format the whole drive anyway, you might want to try dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fault_drive ;) |
| [11:37:33] | mzb: | solves the calculation problem ;) |
| [11:37:37] | gbee: | hence why I might make the effort to keep it around, but XFS fails completely the moment it hits an error making it unsuitable as a media drive |
| [11:38:01] | mzb: | if it still fails a smart test after that then it's time to use it for decoration/boat-anchor ;)) |
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| [11:38:54] | gbee: | i.e. ext3 doesn't detach the drive the moment it hits a bad block, so it remains usable even as it slowly fails |
| [11:38:58] | mzb: | (or use extN-only with a badblock map ... pita) |
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| [11:39:17] | laga: | is that really worth the trouble? |
| [11:39:29] | mzb: | probably not |
| [11:40:04] | mzb: | badblock mapping is a waste of time imo |
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| [11:41:23] | mzb: | a drive that has that many errors that you need to use badblocks is going to die regardless |
| [11:41:35] | gbee: | it's moot at the moment, I don't have room in my current case to keep that drive in use |
| [11:41:45] | mzb: | ah |
| [11:42:05] | mzb: | give it a funeral ;) |
| [11:43:31] | gbee: | well techincally this case will take five drives, but 2 of those three slots are messy, one involves slinging the drive beneath the existing carriage so I've never even considered using it |
| [11:45:32] | gbee: | I'll probably disassemble the drive, the platters make handy mirrors for tight spaces and the magnets are great for retrieving tools dropped into unreachable spots |
| [11:46:29] | mzb: | I've got a similar situation with an ancient aopen case. 4x drives above PSU, 5x 3.5 (have had to make a 120mm bay-mounted fan for the drives). In theory I could probably add half-dozen drives under the bays but too much work (at this point) => custom mount, huge PSU, PCI-e SATA ... grumble |
| [11:47:09] | mzb: | if the platters are even vaguely like the ancient ones I've got they're good for making clock faces ;) |
| [11:47:27] | gbee: | already shifted off the recordings to free space on the Tb drive, I'll pop it out of the case tonight |
| [11:47:40] | gbee: | mzb: novel, I like that idea |
| [11:48:44] | mzb: | you can get clock mechanisms cheap (~au$10 on a bad day?) ... usually come with three different sets of hands and run on a single AA |
| [11:49:21] | gbee: | really need a new case, I bought this thing at a comp fair for £30 6 years ago (at least), it's badly arranged, can't leave the board tray in place because one of the drives would block a DIMM slot |
| [11:51:50] | mzb: | my problem is more to do with household reliance on mythtv ;)) ... I can't shut the MBE down long enough to do a mobo swap (and get both machines back online) just so I can add 2x 1TB drives! (SWMBO might miss out on netball or some other crap;)) |
| [11:52:42] | mzb: | getting the keys to our new house tomorrow, so hoping to perform major surgery during "unavoidable downtime due to maintenance" |
| [11:53:58] | mzb: | that plan has already been limited by the realisation the the final of one of her favourite shows is on Monday ... *sigh* ... and no I'm not going to download it ;) |
| [11:54:14] | mzb: | s/the the/that the |
| [11:55:16] | gbee: | this is my dev machine, so I avoid that hassle |
| [11:55:27] | mzb: | (the two 1TB drives have been sitting on my desk for a few weeks begging to be put in) |
| [11:55:52] | gbee: | production frontend/backend was housed in a fantastic new case 18months back |
| [11:56:10] | gbee: | wish I could find something like it for ATX |
| [11:56:20] | mzb: | I'm still cutting down on machines (lost computer room to the "nursery" for 2nd child:()) |
| [11:56:27] | clever: | i might be able to wire up 8 drives on my current master |
| [11:56:33] | mzb: | (forced cutbacks & redundancies?) |
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| [11:56:37] | clever: | it has 3 pata busses and 2 sata ports |
| [11:56:50] | clever: | though 2 of those pata busses are useless due to the bios |
| [11:57:04] | mzb: | heh |
| [11:57:07] | rooaus1: | gbee: I have an 8inch fully processed semiconductor wafer that I was thinking of doing something similar. |
| [11:57:13] | clever: | the bios cant handle any large drives |
| [11:57:24] | clever: | but the sata board has a pata controler also |
| [11:57:27] | clever: | and usb |
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| [12:01:05] | gbee: | hmm, SD slots should be standard on cases these days |
| [12:01:21] | clever: | ive only seem them on relatively new media based systems |
| [12:02:15] | gbee: | yeah, which is my point, why haven't they reached other case yet? |
| [12:02:58] | gbee: | guess I'll just get a 3.5" mounted card reader, if I go with the Soprano at least it will be hidden behind the door |
| [12:03:00] | brad2: | yeah seems kinda silly that they haven't |
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| [12:07:45] | brad2: | i think i'm going to go buy a hd-pvr today |
| [12:07:48] | brad2: | so exciting! |
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| [12:10:25] | clever: | gbee: might be a driver based problem |
| [12:10:37] | clever: | gbee: it looks like some of the embeded readers dont use usb |
| [12:10:51] | clever: | gbee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_c . . . of_standards |
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| [12:42:23] | sgtpepper: | Guys, I'm having a little issue with live tv and recordings, Video freezes a little bit, and video speed accelerates and speeds down |
| [12:42:29] | sgtpepper: | I don't know if I'm clear |
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| [12:44:05] | sgtpepper: | frontend are backend running in the same box |
| [12:45:47] | sgtpepper: | Jumpy video you could say |
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| [12:50:47] | Shadow__X: | !logs |
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| [12:50:56] | Shadow__X: | !help |
| [12:51:02] | Shadow__X: | help logs |
| [12:51:08] | Shadow__X: | MythLogBot, help |
| [12:51:13] | sgtpepper: | Shadow__X: you need logs? |
| [12:51:29] | Shadow__X: | sgtpepper, no i was going to the channel logs to see what you are talking about |
| [12:51:33] | Shadow__X: | list |
| [12:51:38] | Shadow__X: | !list |
| [12:51:50] | Shadow__X: | !search logs |
| [12:52:30] | sgtpepper: | gtpepper: Guys, I'm having a little issue with live tv and recordings, Video freezes a little bit, and video speed accelerates and speeds down |
| [12:52:31] | sgtpepper: | (09:42:28 AM) sgtpepper: I don't know if I'm clear |
| [12:55:08] | Shadow__X: | sgtpepper, hmm is it with all recordings or just hd |
| [12:55:31] | sgtpepper: | all recordings, There is no hd here |
| [12:55:34] | sgtpepper: | only sd |
| [12:55:40] | sgtpepper: | and I'm using a framegrabber card |
| [12:55:52] | Shadow__X: | you just made alot of people here upset |
| [12:56:02] | Shadow__X: | framegrabbers are horrible |
| [12:56:16] | Shadow__X: | sgtpepper, can you post the frontend logs |
| [12:56:36] | sgtpepper: | sure give me a sec |
| [12:56:41] | sgtpepper: | with any special -v? |
| [12:57:48] | Shadow__X: | no just the logs |
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| [13:02:09] | Essobi: | Morning. |
| [13:03:36] | Shadow__X: | mourning |
| [13:04:18] | sgtpepper: | mmm I think I have the issue |
| [13:04:19] | sgtpepper: | 2009-07–29 10:02:44.418 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [13:05:32] | Shadow__X: | hmm i honestly dont know how to fix that |
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| [13:08:35] | sgtpepper: | I *think* that the audio stream is 32 k and the output waits for 48 k |
| [13:08:48] | sgtpepper: | because regular video, divx, works great |
| [13:09:03] | Shadow__X: | get an mpeg encoder card |
| [13:09:12] | sgtpepper: | ohh that would be lovely! |
| [13:09:13] | Shadow__X: | framegrabbers are horrible |
| [13:09:18] | sgtpepper: | 2 pvr 500's |
| [13:09:48] | Shadow__X: | or qam tuners? |
| [13:10:22] | sgtpepper: | no hd here :( |
| [13:10:33] | Shadow__X: | where are you |
| [13:10:38] | sgtpepper: | Argentina |
| [13:10:41] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [13:11:03] | sgtpepper: | the thing is, even If I buy them in my next trip to the states, here we have PAL-NC, and there they sell ntsc cards |
| [13:11:09] | sgtpepper: | I have no guarantee that they will work |
| [13:11:58] | Shadow__X: | right yeah i cant help you there |
| [13:14:19] | mzb: | != guarantee. *Won't work* |
| [13:16:02] | mzb: | staticice.com.au ?? |
| [13:16:24] | mzb: | .. but doesn't help you with postage :| |
| [13:17:36] | mzb: | http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=argentina |
| [13:18:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | sgtpepper: The MPEG encoders will work, but the tuners won't be able to tune PAL-NC... so they'd still work if you fed them the s-video or composite video output of a set-top box... |
| [13:19:09] | mzb: | hey! Where's my ladder! ;)) |
| [13:19:17] | sgtpepper: | I found a post regarding a pvr-500 and argentina guy that got it working |
| [13:19:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: hehe... ;-) |
| [13:19:21] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [13:20:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: It's in my back-yard – you can borrow it any time. ;-) It's one of those 16' folding ladders... ;-) |
| [13:20:41] | mzb: | ok, drop it over tomorrow and I'll post it back next week ;) |
| [13:20:43] | mzb: | ~12hrs until KEYS! ... |
| [13:21:09] | ** mzb imagines idealist wiring/sockets/aerials/X10/.... .. . ** | |
| [13:21:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | yahoo! ;-) You get the keys at Noon? ;-) |
| [13:21:16] | mzb: | s/idealistic |
| [13:21:21] | mzb: | yep |
| [13:21:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses X10. ;-) ** | |
| [13:22:13] | mzb: | I've managed to accumulate ~au$1500 worth of .au X10 stuff for <au$500 ... looking forward to having weeks of playtime ;) |
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| [13:22:40] | mzb: | seriously considering buying some powerflash units from us and modifying them for 240V |
| [13:22:51] | mzb: | s/USA |
| [13:23:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: cool. ;-) X10 is fun... Older technology nowadays and slow by comparison to the new Insteon stuff... |
| [13:23:20] | mzb: | yeah, but 1/8th the price ;) |
| [13:24:28] | mzb: | got THREE climate control kits!! .. had hoped to control with computer but now realise that they use "security codes" not "house codes" ... wondering if the cm19a can receive all ... planning on modifying code to test (promising signs so far) |
| [13:24:29] | Shadow__X: | i got some x10 wireless cameras b ut havnt found a use for em |
| [13:24:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Yeah, I hear ha! ;-) 1/2 of my house is X-10, the other half is flourescent, and I haven't bothered with x-10 switches for them. |
| [13:24:35] | Shadow__X: | i did get em for free though |
| [13:24:47] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [13:25:10] | ** mzb decides to drown his sorrows in another beer ** | |
| [13:25:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Humm... I've got some of the x-10 security stuff too, never used it... |
| [13:26:15] | mzb: | I've got a GE Simon 3, but unable to get .au version of line-carrier transformer ... considering buying a USA version to find out how they work |
| [13:26:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A sighs as his boss is back from vacation today... I'm actually going to have to work today... DOH! ** | |
| [13:26:56] | mzb: | the RF security codes work differently. I have 1x door/window switch and 3x climate control which are all security RF |
| [13:27:51] | mzb: | won a cheap rain sensor on eBay today so looking at solenoids atm, too ;) |
| [13:28:44] | mzb: | ${WOMAN} not interested in hearing any more about X10 ... seems I've bored her to distraction ;) |
| [13:30:38] | mzb: | bought a 700W DIN-mount dimmer for the lounge (not planning on buying fluoro's in there!), and scored 6x *super-cheap* compact-fluoros for something like $6 (delivered) that should cover the other important parts of the house |
| [13:31:35] | mzb: | got 3x ES "socket rockets". Taken one apart and they're small enough to wire into most light fittings. |
| [13:32:21] | mzb: | (the local stockists had the X10 stuff in the clearance bin ... I cleaned out both stores ;) |
| [13:33:04] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A, are you using software to control your X10? |
| [13:35:06] | mzb: | I've got 3x CM19a (RF/USB transceivers) and 1x CM12 (CM11 equiv) ... actually, all the .au versions of those models. I suspect they're just a rebadge. |
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| [13:36:17] | mzb: | bench controller, bedside controller, rf remotes, transceiver module, lamp module ... starting to lose count tbh ... should be a fun project ;) |
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| [13:37:37] | mzb: | want powerflash modules to hook up some of the PIR's I've got so I can get lights to come on as I walk around the house ... can always do it with comp interface card, but nice to have it "hardwired" |
| [13:38:09] | mzb: | oh ... had to modify the code for the cm19a ... published module had problems decoding the dim buttons on the rf remote |
| [13:39:12] | mzb: | I'm starting to suspect that the silence re X10 in here might have something to do with ... *cough* ... that myth-related distro that does X10 as well. Should I shutup now? |
| [13:42:03] | mzb: | ps: I don't want to control X10 with mythtv :) ... but I do plan to experiment with voice control |
| [13:42:33] | AndyCap: | can you get state from them? |
| [13:42:55] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [13:42:56] | mzb: | from X10 devices? No ... but you can from A10 |
| [13:43:07] | mzb: | (apparently) |
| [13:43:12] | sid3windr: | so you can use socket rockets without having to have that ugly thing in between? |
| [13:43:27] | sid3windr: | by just moving the chip into your light thing |
| [13:43:34] | mzb: | as long as it's legal to wire them in permanently ;)) |
| [13:43:45] | sid3windr: | legal? |
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| [13:43:58] | sid3windr: | why would it not be legal? |
| [13:43:59] | AndyCap: | what's a10? apart from the warthog? |
| [13:44:12] | sid3windr: | electrically there's no difference between a socket rocket and just the chip wired in is there :) |
| [13:44:42] | AndyCap: | becuase electricity has been known to cause fires and thus is regulated in most parts of the world? |
| [13:44:43] | mzb: | err... something like "advanced" X10 I think ... it allows two way comms from devices and some extended codes. Backward compatible |
| [13:45:39] | mzb: | the socket rocket is probably classed as a consumer device. If that's the case then it would be "illegal" to wire it in permanently. |
| [13:46:32] | ** mzb wonders if he's used the correct terms there but hopes that the meaning is understood ** | |
| [13:47:03] | sid3windr: | hmm. |
| [13:47:08] | sid3windr: | good point |
| [13:47:20] | AndyCap: | seems X10 supports status in the normal protocol but it's not mandatory so cheaper devices don't have it (paraphrasing wikipedia) |
| [13:47:29] | mzb: | ah |
| [13:47:53] | mzb: | then stack heyu on top of that (with a state-based engine) ;) |
| [13:48:26] | AndyCap: | don't see how that helps. |
| [13:48:27] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [13:48:56] | mzb: | if all your commands are being watched/controlled by the comp then heyu will track all the changes |
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| [13:49:08] | mzb: | then you can just query heyu |
| [13:49:22] | AndyCap: | mzb: more a question of did the device actually turn off when the command was sent. |
| [13:49:33] | AndyCap: | so you ask the device, are you on or off. |
| [13:49:34] | mzb: | I thought I saw some state info at one stage ... then discovered that running my test setup on a filtered power board was a bad idea ;) |
| [13:49:40] | gbee: | or was it manually switched? |
| [13:50:24] | mzb: | um ... what's the question? (it's almost midnight here!) |
| [13:50:59] | mzb: | (ie: I've got more working fingers than neurones;) |
| [13:50:59] | AndyCap: | If X10 supports polling the state of the device, and it seems the answer is maybe. :P |
| [13:51:17] | AndyCap: | and having the computer keep state is not a solution since X10 can be unreliable |
| [13:51:21] | mzb: | the status command is separate to a straight on/off/dim |
| [13:51:47] | mzb: | that's true, but the state engine also watches RF (in my case) |
| [13:52:11] | tob: | hi, is there an easy way to prevent mythvideo from doing a Metadata Lookup? |
| [13:52:23] | mzb: | unplug network cable? |
| [13:52:28] | mzb: | oops |
| [13:52:35] | ** mzb hides in shame ** | |
| [13:53:59] | GreyFoxx: | tob: as in lookup from it's own database? |
| [13:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | There is an option to not do the lookup the metadata in the mythvideo setup menus |
| [13:58:57] | tob: | no the lookup at imdb.. |
| [13:59:59] | gbee: | it doesn't do it automatically, you have to ask it to search |
| [14:02:31] | tob: | yes but when i refresh the video database (i often copy videos into the video folder) it always asks me for the imdb # .. |
| [14:03:04] | GreyFoxx: | uhhhh myth asks no such thing unless you tell it to |
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| [14:03:46] | GreyFoxx: | Just to be clear.... what do you mean by "refresh"ing the database ? |
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| [14:04:15] | iamlindoro: | Could be confused--- he may be seeing the incompatible theme problem where the IMDB prompt appears (but is not actually doing the lookup) |
| [14:04:39] | GreyFoxx: | It just appears without the user having to ask mythvideo to download the metadata ?\ |
| [14:04:52] | tob: | GreyFoxx, i simply enter the video manager |
| [14:04:56] | iamlindoro: | yes... you can't actually enter anything |
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| [14:05:33] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: So, just so I'm not being dense. A User enters the video manager and without them doing anything this prompt appears? |
| [14:05:38] | GreyFoxx: | Wow that is one busted theme |
| [14:05:39] | tob: | iamlindoro, that it i think |
| [14:06:22] | gbee: | tob: which theme, that's a very old bug that was fixed well over a year back with some broken themes |
| [14:06:33] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Yes. It used to happen all the time. It's not actually "there," it's some sort of window ordering problem-- ie you can't actually enter an IMDB # into the prompt, it just floats about the other windows |
| [14:06:58] | Shadow__X: | does it bounce off the corners too |
| [14:07:29] | gbee: | it's not window ordering, specifically the old UI didn't use a popup, it was just a hidden layer, but layers weren't hidden by default the code needed to hide it explicitly by name |
| [14:07:41] | gbee: | if the name was wrong, the layer was always displayed |
| [14:07:54] | iamlindoro: | There, it was that. ;) |
| [14:08:15] | gbee: | tob: mythfrontend --version |
| [14:08:53] | tob: | its the titivillus them |
| [14:08:58] | gbee: | pretty sure only affected 0.21 and earlier, not in a release version either iirc |
| [14:09:32] | gbee: | but one theme such as Titivillus might have slipped the net initially, it was still fixed in the -fixes branch |
| [14:09:56] | gbee: | so packages should all be using the fixed version |
| [14:10:26] | gbee: | funny, but this is the second time this week that someone has mentioned it, a distro shipping busted packages? |
| [14:11:10] | tob: | MythTV Version : 19961 |
| [14:11:18] | tob: | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [14:11:24] | iamlindoro: | was the same exact revision last night |
| [14:12:17] | iamlindoro: | "this calls itself 0.21.0+fixes19961–0ubuntu8" |
| [14:12:25] | gbee: | that's at least 6 months old |
| [14:12:47] | iamlindoro: | Maybe it's the stock ubuntu version before turning on the fixes repos? |
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| [14:12:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro: saw the same revision number in a search of tickets just now, Ubuntu is shipping some old stuff |
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| [14:14:01] | gbee: | funny though, I'd have thought the bug was fixed long before then |
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| [14:16:11] | iamlindoro: | Heh @6776 |
| [14:16:21] | iamlindoro: | "Dear Support," |
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| [14:16:50] | iamlindoro: | And then proceeds to tell you the bug he is lodging is invalid as he hasn't set up myth properly. |
| [14:17:23] | gbee: | tob: could you paste the contents of Titivillus/video-ui.xml to mythtv.pastebin.ca ? |
| [14:18:46] | juski: | wtf? "Brainstorming for our MythTV song" |
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| [14:19:47] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, whats the title for that one |
| [14:20:29] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, The ticket number (which I gave you) is a lot more useful than the title ;) |
| [14:21:03] | Shadow__X: | i am trying to find it on gossamer threads but i guess its on trac? |
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| [14:21:31] | sgtpepper: | anyone had the jumpy video issue with the NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! message? |
| [14:22:03] | Shadow__X: | anyone use horrible framegrabbers |
| [14:22:17] | sgtpepper: | that should be the real question ^^^^^^^^ |
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| [14:23:38] | sgtpepper: | I'll check in the wiki if there is any mpeg2 cards that I can find here |
| [14:25:25] | sgtpepper: | apparently avermedia has 2 |
| [14:25:25] | juski: | hauppauge pvr series & *some* HVR cards |
| [14:25:55] | juski: | you'll be lucky to find a non-hauppauge mpeg encoding tuner that works in linux these days |
| [14:26:30] | juski: | i.e. there was basically only those 2 avermedia ones, and you'll be lucky to find them stocked anywhere |
| [14:27:21] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, now i found it |
| [14:28:02] | sgtpepper: | I'm unable to find any hauppauge hardware here |
| [14:28:21] | Shadow__X: | how does that sound like a reasonable error |
| [14:28:21] | sgtpepper: | and if I buy it abroad, mos probably it won't work with my tv standard |
| [14:28:33] | GreyFoxx: | Weird. It looks like all of my DVD playback complains about video being 3 or so frames ahead of the audio and attempts to slow down video playback causing slight "jumps" in video motion speed yet the audio sounds fine |
| [14:28:54] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: w/vdpau? |
| [14:29:10] | GreyFoxx: | Nope, XV/software decode using local dvdrom |
| [14:29:23] | GreyFoxx: | it just started last night after I did a svn update |
| [14:30:01] | GreyFoxx: | I was at first assuming it was related to my network streaming of the dvd's |
| [14:30:08] | GreyFoxx: | but even pointing to the local drive does the same thing |
| [14:30:24] | GreyFoxx: | I've also tried a cold boot |
| [14:32:32] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm Not sure if it's relevant but I see a lot of WriteAudio: short write messages in the log which I've never seen before |
| [14:32:35] | GreyFoxx: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1511083 |
| [14:33:12] | GreyFoxx: | At least, if I've seen them before I didn't know it :) |
| [14:34:36] | ** GreyFoxx starts the jumping back to old revisions svn game :) ** | |
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| [14:39:25] | tob: | gbee, yes it is from an mythbuntu installation |
| [14:39:43] | tob: | gbee, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1511091 the xml-file you asked for |
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| [14:55:15] | GreyFoxx: | mmmm whatever my dvd playback issue is it's specific to my box. Even going back to a known goodrevision has the same problem... .wonder wtf I could have changed |
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| [15:41:08] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I am using your latest Graphite theme and I do not see the 700 and 1080 icons. They do not show up in the help icon window or in the Watch Recording screen. I checked recordedprogram data base records and I do have the field "videoprop" populated with "HDTV,720". Any suggestions? |
| [15:41:41] | RDV_Linux: | The HDTV icon and widescreen icons do display as expected. |
| [15:41:43] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: How recent is your version of trunk? |
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| [15:41:52] | RDV_Linux: | This morinings |
| [15:42:27] | iamlindoro: | rest of that support went in in 20799 |
| [15:42:35] | iamlindoro: | (3 weeks ago) |
| [15:42:38] | RDV_Linux: | I resynced Graphite and trunk a few hours ago. |
| [15:43:01] | iamlindoro: | dunno, works here... I'd suspect you have a possibly-broken playbackbox.cpp file |
| [15:43:43] | iamlindoro: | ie maybe because you have my mythvideo export stuff installed, if you have postponed any of the changes when svn up'ing, you might not have gotten it |
| [15:44:15] | RDV_Linux: | Also thanks for updating the Jamu wiki page after the bindings were committed. |
| [15:44:38] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:45:54] | RDV_Linux: | Which patch is the export stuff? I used a totally fresh SVN and then applied patches. |
| [15:46:07] | iamlindoro: | #6158 IIRC |
| [15:47:32] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks you nailed it, I have an old patch (one older then your latest. |
| [15:50:24] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [15:52:20] | iamlindoro: | If you had a fresh checkout, I'm not entirely certain how that got broken, but we'll see |
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| [15:55:02] | iamlindoro: | hmm... Actually, my local code is different now that I look at the diff |
| [15:55:23] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: edit recordings.xml |
| [15:55:32] | iamlindoro: | er recordings-ui.xml |
| [15:55:59] | iamlindoro: | find the instances of "vid1080" and "vid720" and change them to "hd1080" and "hd720" |
| [15:56:04] | iamlindoro: | then try that screen |
| [15:56:18] | RDV_Linux: | I am just getting the SVN again and applying the correct patches. Thanks |
| [15:56:20] | iamlindoro: | My local version of that code differs from what got committed |
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| [16:03:20] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: please also try http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.072909.tar.gz |
| [16:03:37] | iamlindoro: | That should fix the issue for you |
| [16:05:25] | wagnerrp: | well thats a bit annoying |
| [16:05:38] | wagnerrp: | QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST requires you give it the full path |
| [16:06:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: That's what I was referring to last night :) |
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| [16:07:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean that just doesnt make sense, since you cant list files outside the storage group root |
| [16:07:44] | wagnerrp: | and its not like mythvideo has any logic to know when theres a duplicate file |
| [16:09:23] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Thanks for the new Graphic release. On a different topic, for the Graphite Watch Recording screen, what coverart file naming use to detect when it should use a coverfile instead of a screenshot? On the new project I am working on, having coverart show up seems almost random. This is only an issue with my new project. |
| [16:10:14] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: It's the same naming as everything else in the PBB |
| [16:10:19] | iamlindoro: | $showname.png |
| [16:10:20] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [16:10:26] | iamlindoro: | $showname Season #.png |
| [16:10:28] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [16:10:35] | iamlindoro: | $showname Season # Episode #.png |
| [16:10:36] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [16:10:42] | iamlindoro: | $showname s##e##.png |
| [16:10:44] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [16:10:51] | iamlindoro: | $showname ##x##.png |
| [16:10:59] | iamlindoro: | /jpg/gif |
| [16:11:29] | iamlindoro: | And that's not just graphite, that's any theme that uses those resources in the watch recording screen |
| [16:11:33] | RDV_Linux: | very flexible. Is png not supported? |
| [16:11:44] | ** iamlindoro blinks ** | |
| [16:11:47] | RDV_Linux: | Sorry cannot read |
| [16:11:50] | iamlindoro: | look above at the extensions :) |
| [16:12:07] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [16:12:21] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, Graphite is the only one to use it so far, but hopefully others will come along too |
| [16:12:59] | RDV_Linux: | My new project needs Graphite's extras to show off. |
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| [16:13:44] | iamlindoro: | Strange that it seems "random" to you, though, thought you had a good understanding of that file naming format |
| [16:13:49] | iamlindoro: | as Jamu seems to download them correctly |
| [16:14:29] | sphery: | sgtpepper: I'm here now. |
| [16:16:40] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: It has to do with the title names I am getting from the source for the new project. The titles have a lot of crap characters in them such as '|' and the (Video) ... I need to do more investigation. I just wanted to confirm what I suspected. Thanks again. |
| [16:16:59] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Ah, okay, makes sense-- yeah, you'll need to parse those out |
| [16:17:11] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: look forward to whatever it is :) |
| [16:17:21] | iamlindoro: | Oh, the podcast thing |
| [16:17:26] | iamlindoro: | Miro |
| [16:18:05] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, sure people will like that :) |
| [16:18:43] | sphery: | #6776 is an invalid bug whose component should be set to MythWeb--invalid because the guy is trying to do TV stuff with no capture cards/input connections |
| [16:18:52] | sphery: | too bad kormoc isn't around to close it out |
| [16:19:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Heh, he was nice enough to preface it with the fact that it was invalid, though ;) |
| [16:19:28] | sphery: | Right. |
| [16:19:30] | iamlindoro: | paraphrasing, "this bug is invalid because I haven't set up Myth properly" |
| [16:20:01] | ** sphery thinks Per needs to read about proxies and SVN ** | |
| [16:20:59] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Yes Miro. It really shines with Graphite. I will send you a link to some screen shots in a week or so. The Miro/Myth functionality is all working but I have more polish and maybe a feature or two to add. I like using my own scripts on a daily bases to make sure they are stable before releasing them into the wild. |
| [16:21:17] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [16:21:18] | wagnerrp: | and QUERY_SG_FILEQUERY returns the current time.... why? |
| [16:21:32] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: I know that many people will use/enjoy that, nice work |
| [16:22:43] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: The last modified time, not the current time |
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| [16:22:53] | GreyFoxx: | idea, what is the timestamp on the file |
| [16:23:05] | wagnerrp: | Nov 2006 |
| [16:23:36] | GreyFoxx: | the GetFileInfo code returns the QFileInfo.lastModified() |
| [16:23:39] | wagnerrp: | and it returned 1162990556, which is a couple minutes ago |
| [16:23:58] | GreyFoxx: | uhhh no |
| [16:23:59] | GreyFoxx: | greg@out:~/misc/code/perl$ ./ctime.pl 1162990556 |
| [16:23:59] | GreyFoxx: | ctime : 1248884121 |
| [16:23:59] | GreyFoxx: | Wed Nov 8 08:55:56 2006* |
| [16:24:13] | GreyFoxx: | current time is 1248884121 1162990556 is Nov 8 2006 |
| [16:24:22] | wagnerrp: | bah... stupid online javascript converter |
| [16:24:43] | wagnerrp: | ok, nevermind |
| [16:24:46] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: What I am most pleased with is all Miro interaction is through their interface it acts just like a frontend to Miro's backend. The script never directly touches the Miro database. This may give the script some resilience to Miro changes/upgrades. |
| [16:25:15] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Cool |
| [16:25:23] | wagnerrp: | i copied the text into the box, told noscript to enable javascript on that page, and it reset the text to the current date |
| [16:25:34] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [16:28:20] | wagnerrp: | amazing! it actually returns a long for the file size |
| [16:28:29] | wagnerrp: | none of this two-integer crap |
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| [16:32:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, the plan it to remove the encoding of longs to ints eventually because Qt4 no longer requires it, but it's one of those low-priority/what-we-have-already-works things |
| [16:34:31] | sgtpepper: | sphery: I'm having a werid issue when playing live tv that makes the playback jumpy |
| [16:34:47] | sgtpepper: | 2009-07–29 10:02:44.418 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [16:36:16] | sphery: | sgtpepper: audio issues will cause video issues... don't know what could cause that. Just make sure you enable Extra sound card buffering and disable Aggressive audio buffering. These are in 2 different places in setup and it's critical you do both properly. |
| [16:36:32] | sphery: | sgtpepper: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [16:36:37] | sphery: | and if you find a new one, add it on\ |
| [16:37:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: "A user on the list recently reported using an ION system as a backend. It had an Atom 230 I believe and he got near real time commercial flagging with 1080i ATSC recordings." ??? |
| [16:37:16] | sphery: | Does that even sound possible |
| [16:37:38] | wagnerrp: | all depends on the bitrate |
| [16:37:52] | wagnerrp: | i suppose if you had some crappy cableco broadcasting 1080i at 10mbps |
| [16:37:53] | sphery: | how important is bitrate in mpeg-2 decoding? |
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| [16:38:33] | sphery: | kormoc: FYI: #6776 is an invalid bug whose component should be set to MythWeb--invalid because the guy is trying to do TV stuff with no capture cards/input connections |
| [16:38:42] | iamlindoro: | I have no idea if that's possible, my first ION experience will be this weekend |
| [16:38:53] | wagnerrp: | swapping out the guy's appletvs? |
| [16:38:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I expect a full report. 3 pages. Double-spaced. |
| [16:39:07] | iamlindoro: | Woo hoo, I get to double space it |
| [16:39:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: adding to |
| [16:40:20] | meshe: | is he using apple tv's or mini's? |
| [16:41:47] | iamlindoro: | ATVs |
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| [16:42:23] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Thanks those commits last night. |
| [16:42:38] | meshe: | how well do those work, are they hd capable? |
| [16:42:40] | sgtpepper: | sphery: a little bit better |
| [16:42:50] | sgtpepper: | but still a little jumpy |
| [16:43:07] | iamlindoro: | meshe: They *will* play back ATSC content up to 1080i (with help from XvMC) but I would not wish the UI behavior on *anyone* |
| [16:43:20] | iamlindoro: | meshe: ie waiting 2–3 seconds for response from a single buttonpress |
| [16:43:21] | meshe: | heh |
| [16:43:30] | meshe: | noted |
| [16:43:40] | iamlindoro: | and sometimes queuing up a dozen keypresses-- HORRIBLE. |
| [16:44:07] | wagnerrp: | cannot open display?.... i really need to set XWin to start on boot |
| [16:44:16] | meshe: | UI is unusable approaching 1 sec imho |
| [16:44:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: maybe it's the "Myth sometimes unresponsive to keypresses" bug that everyone says exists, but can't be reproduced by any devs. :) |
| [16:44:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Heh, nor by me on any other hardware |
| [16:45:03] | meshe: | sphery: UseEvents fixed my issue with unresponsive keypresses |
| [16:45:34] | wagnerrp: | i get unresponsive when first going into recordings or mythvideo |
| [16:45:46] | wagnerrp: | but i figured that was just from a giant database lookup |
| [16:45:54] | sphery: | meshe: but the most recent post on the list about UseEvents told everyone to disable it... ;) |
| [16:46:04] | meshe: | lol |
| [16:46:17] | meshe: | sphery: i feel sorry for the people that take that advice :) |
| [16:47:00] | sphery: | BTW, that's /literally/ the most recent post (OK, it's quoting the original one, but there's 2 threads saying to do so, now) |
| [16:47:27] | sphery: | But, as I can see, since Jul 23, UseEvents is a Bad Thing (TM) |
| [16:48:05] | meshe: | my most recent email is the dish pvr channel... |
| [16:48:45] | sphery: | most recent post talkinga bout UseEvents, that was |
| [16:48:47] | wagnerrp: | it seems the 'UseEvents' fix may be an nvidia-only thing |
| [16:48:51] | meshe: | ahh |
| [16:48:54] | sphery: | it definitely is |
| [16:48:56] | wagnerrp: | maybe hes the rare ATI user |
| [16:49:10] | sphery: | UseEvents doesn't exist outside of nvidia drivers |
| [16:49:17] | meshe: | oh, JYA says to disable UseEvents |
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| [16:49:26] | sphery: | so it would just generate an error however you set it for ati |
| [16:49:32] | sphery: | (or, probably a warning) |
| [16:50:08] | sphery: | Yeah, seems it doesn't work with the beta drivers when using the unstable/unreleased VDPAU |
| [16:50:18] | meshe: | ahhh |
| [16:50:24] | sphery: | so, now the world + dog things UseEvents is bad |
| [16:50:32] | sphery: | which means... "Myth sometimes unresponsive to keypresses" |
| [16:51:09] | meshe: | if i disable useevents, myth is unusable to me, and a remote may end up going through the lcd tv |
| [16:51:09] | sphery: | wow... OSD3 "It will be full 1080p/60 capable on both encoding and decoding (h.264, etc) with *official* support for that performance from TI" |
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| [16:51:20] | sphery: | meshe: agreed... |
| [16:51:32] | sphery: | anyone who disables it deserves the outcome :) |
| [16:52:54] | meshe: | 35C makes it hard to want to do anything |
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| [17:13:58] | ** tmkt is anxious for the day he logs on, and the channel title is 0.22 ** | |
| [17:16:06] | AndyCap: | hmm, wait for the computer to catch fire or have no DVB-C reception, choices, choices |
| [17:16:38] | iamlindoro: | Even when it becomes .22, you're still want to wait 'til there's a .22-fixes to track IMHO |
| [17:16:47] | iamlindoro: | er you'll |
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| [17:25:02] | sgtpepper: | which are working better? nvidia propietary drivers or nouveau for the nvidia 6100 series? |
| [17:25:19] | iamlindoro: | no doubt about it, proprietary |
| [17:25:52] | iamlindoro: | For myth purposes, you should never, ever use the open nVidia drivers if you have a choice |
| [17:28:28] | tmkt: | yeah? seems like it has been getting ample amount of testing that it would be at least as stable as 0.21 |
| [17:28:32] | tmkt: | bug i guess you' |
| [17:28:35] | tmkt: | you'd know better then me |
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| [17:29:42] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: .21 (non -fixes) wasn't that stable either |
| [17:30:17] | iamlindoro: | .21 became really usable a few weeks into -fixes... I expect .22 to be the same |
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| [17:31:08] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [17:32:45] | tmkt: | so still 174 open tickets before 0.22, if i read the roadmap correctly |
| [17:33:11] | thedarkone: | is this anything to worry about i did dmesg in term and this is output http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1511265 |
| [17:33:40] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: many will get closed, some will slip to .23, the number of open tickets isn't a very accurate measure of when it will be done |
| [17:34:19] | iamlindoro: | as according to the roadmap, we are closer to the release of MythTV v.UNKNOWN :) |
| [17:35:44] | tmkt: | that is true |
| [17:35:46] | tmkt: | and odd |
| [17:35:55] | tmkt: | gotta love percentages |
| [17:36:11] | tmkt: | gotta love that MSFT/YHOO deal |
| [17:36:13] | tmkt: | what a bad deal |
| [17:36:29] | sid3windr: | bling! |
| [17:38:12] | tmkt: | better then last year, had they bought all of us |
| [17:38:43] | thedarkone: | have noticed one thing in .22 it segs out if u made a dvd in .21 and try to play in .22 |
| [17:38:54] | sgtpepper: | lol |
| [17:38:57] | sgtpepper: | bizarre |
| [17:39:02] | sid3windr: | segs out, eh |
| [17:39:37] | thedarkone: | well crashs |
| [17:40:01] | wagnerrp: | well now youre sending mixed signals ... is it a crash, or a segfault? |
| [17:40:16] | thedarkone: | segfault |
| [17:41:07] | sid3windr: | a segfault is a crash ;) |
| [17:41:22] | wagnerrp: | but a crash may not be a segfault |
| [17:42:15] | FisherPrice70: | Hi, my channels have all disappeared, I can get them on a digital set top box, but I can't get a lock on with my Hauppage DVB-T dual tuner |
| [17:42:19] | FisherPrice70: | any ideas? |
| [17:44:22] | sphery: | increase the timeouts in mythtv-setup |
| [17:44:28] | sphery: | FisherPrice70: ^^^ |
| [17:44:34] | FisherPrice70: | how high does it need to be? |
| [17:44:48] | FisherPrice70: | they are already at about 1750 or above |
| [17:44:49] | thedarkone: | wagnerrp here is out put |
| [17:44:52] | sphery: | start unreasonably high and see if it helps... if so, reduce until it doesn't work |
| [17:44:52] | thedarkone: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1511279 |
| [17:45:08] | sphery: | unreasonably high = as high as the UI lets you make it |
| [17:48:22] | wagnerrp: | cant really help you (ive never used mythvideo dvd playback) |
| [17:49:44] | thedarkone: | okay |
| [17:50:09] | ** iamlindoro intends to integrate MythDVD completely into MythVideo for .23 ** | |
| [17:50:23] | thedarkone: | nice |
| [17:50:45] | iamlindoro: | ie a statetype for a loaded DVD that shows up as an item in your library, with menus to bring up the ripping dialog, or to play like any video |
| [17:51:02] | iamlindoro: | versus the silliness of finding it in the optical disks menu |
| [17:51:04] | thedarkone: | cool |
| [17:51:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: isn't MythDVD just the ripping functionality? |
| [17:51:49] | thedarkone: | that would take a while to do |
| [17:52:02] | iamlindoro: | janneg: The original problem of #6720 is fixed, don't know if you want to close it |
| [17:52:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: though what you're suggesting for MythVideo is /very/ good |
| [17:52:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Well, I mean both the ripping functionality and playback functionality |
| [17:52:44] | iamlindoro: | both should be a part of MythVideo IMHO |
| [17:52:57] | iamlindoro: | specifically, the core Mythvideo screens |
| [17:53:12] | sphery: | yeah, good plan |
| [17:53:17] | iamlindoro: | But it needs to wait until my current pending stuff gets committed |
| [17:53:52] | sphery: | no, you just need to read /usr/share/doc/quilt-*/quilt.pdf :) |
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| [17:55:07] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:55:09] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [17:55:24] | iamlindoro: | I just need to have my patches committed. |
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| [17:56:54] | sphery: | the way I see it, if you have enough separate patches in the queue, they're generally committed as fast as you make them... Sure, it's many months /after/ you make them, but you still get that, "Yay! My patch went in," feeling regularly. |
| [17:57:20] | iamlindoro: | That makes more sense when the patches aren't highly reliant on one another |
| [17:57:27] | sphery: | Myth just uses a NetBurst-style pipeline :) |
| [17:57:53] | iamlindoro: | Whereas I have at least three patches in trac that all more or less need to go in together, and this would just make it worse |
| [17:59:20] | wagnerrp: | thats what you get for wanting one big change in functionality |
| [17:59:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ? |
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| [18:01:13] | iamlindoro: | Yay MythTV... Eff off unless you write patches... and when you do, eff off anyway |
| [18:01:59] | janneg: | iamlindoro: that's not fixed? |
| [18:02:13] | iamlindoro: | janneg: No, I'm saying it's open, but the problem is fixed |
| [18:02:33] | janneg: | err what |
| [18:03:06] | iamlindoro: | janneg: Ticket #6720 was fixed by your commits, but remains open |
| [18:03:35] | iamlindoro: | Just wanted to let you know the problem had gone away as a result of your work, so if you don't have anything else you want to do re: the ticket, you can close it |
| [18:04:55] | janneg: | ok, I wasn't sure if there was something which was not fixed |
| [18:05:09] | iamlindoro: | All fixed :) |
| [18:05:23] | janneg: | and the other bluray problems have seperate tickets |
| [18:05:31] | janneg: | I'll close it |
| [18:05:33] | janneg: | thanks |
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| [18:07:11] | iamlindoro: | no problem, thank you |
| [18:07:26] | wagnerrp: | are 12.5mm laptop drives really that uncommon? |
| [18:07:35] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure my laptop came with a 12.5mm drive |
| [18:07:55] | sphery: | 12.5mm = 1/2 in? |
| [18:08:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [18:08:09] | sphery: | don't they measure the width, like 2.5" or 3.5"? |
| [18:08:14] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to thinner 9.5mm drives |
| [18:08:45] | sphery: | ah, so trying to get one that fits height-wise |
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| [18:09:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: My work laptop has a 1.7" drive – same size as an ipod classic... about the same size as most laptop 'touch pads' (maybe smaller!) |
| [18:09:32] | wagnerrp: | just talking about WD releasing their 1TB 2.5" drive |
| [18:09:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you hear that WD is releasing a 1TB and 750GB 2.5" HDD |
| [18:09:39] | wagnerrp: | its 12.5mm instead of 9.5mm |
| [18:09:43] | sphery: | guess so |
| [18:09:53] | wagnerrp: | and people are complaining that its too big and wont fit |
| [18:10:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | i've heard that before... ;-) |
| [18:10:17] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [18:10:21] | sphery: | fits in their My Book case (or whatever) |
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| [18:19:26] | thedarkone: | hey iamlindoro that mythgame upgrade is nice |
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| [18:26:09] | sgtpepper: | dvd playback is 100% better with nvidia propietary |
| [18:26:15] | sgtpepper: | that sucks, but at least... |
| [18:26:29] | sgtpepper: | don't you just hate propietary stuff |
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| [18:26:47] | sgtpepper: | man, just reading about blu-ray get me on my nerves |
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| [18:28:32] | sgtpepper: | now I just need a nice splitter to remove the interference from my livetv |
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| [18:40:46] | brad2: | just got my hd-pvr today. woot woot! |
| [18:46:10] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, you're quite welcome :) |
| [18:48:01] | kormoc: | Okay, this wifi is just crap |
| [18:48:11] | ** kormoc looks for 100 foot network cables ** | |
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| [18:48:56] | RDV_Linux: | brad2: Congratulations. I have one and find that trunk and a HD-PVR recordind is very solid. Make sure you apply all the patches in the wiki. I needed both the required patches plus the optional patch, I have an older (c2) version. I am very satisfied with my HD-PVR purchase. |
| [18:49:54] | AndyCap: | kormoc: $8 at monoprice not ok? |
| [18:50:16] | kormoc: | AndyCap, I'll be drilling holes tonight! So perhaps, but perhaps I'll have it sitting around |
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| [18:50:46] | ** J-e-f-f-A just gave a friend a spool of 300' of cat5e... ;-) ** | |
| [18:50:53] | meshe: | kormoc: aren't you a sysadmin? where's your spool and crimper? |
| [18:51:04] | Shadow__X: | i even have a spool and a crimper |
| [18:51:10] | kormoc: | meshe, Heh, more of a webdev these days... |
| [18:51:18] | meshe: | ahhh |
| [18:51:31] | AndyCap: | meshe: in the back of the closet where it should stay unless its a seriuos emergency? |
| [18:51:36] | meshe: | yeah, that was my progression in the IT world |
| [18:51:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | 1–2,3–6,4–5,7–8 ;-) |
| [18:52:06] | meshe: | Windows Admin -> Sysadmin -> Web Software Developer and DBA |
| [18:52:08] | brad2: | RDV: Thanks for the tips! I've never applied a patch before. This could get interesting ;) |
| [18:52:23] | Shadow__X: | meshe, you must be loaded :) |
| [18:52:40] | meshe: | no, i'm at work, can't drink here |
| [18:52:56] | ** kormoc blinks at Shadow__X ** | |
| [18:53:05] | Shadow__X: | i meant you make alot you live comfortably? |
| [18:53:27] | meshe: | i wouldn't say a lot, but it's a good living |
| [18:53:34] | ** Shadow__X is setting up xp pro on 10v ** | |
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| [18:53:51] | ** Shadow__X waves at kormoc ** | |
| [18:53:56] | Shadow__X: | hows it going over there |
| [18:54:17] | meshe: | just hit my 10 year mark last week here at work |
| [18:54:36] | RDV_Linux: | brad2: the wiki link is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
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| [18:55:11] | Shadow__X: | meshe, conatsgr |
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| [18:55:26] | Shadow__X: | s/conatsgr/congrats |
| [18:55:28] | ** sphery is amazed at the number of error messages that signify invalid configuration that are reported as bugs ** | |
| [18:55:42] | meshe: | thanks, amusingly, there's not a single person here that's been here as long as me |
| [18:55:56] | Shadow__X: | meshe, ask for a raise |
| [18:56:11] | meshe: | heh |
| [18:56:24] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, amusing |
| [18:56:34] | sphery: | kormoc: the latest being yours, too :) |
| [18:56:48] | sphery: | (your responsibility, not your post: #6777 ) |
| [18:56:56] | Shadow__X: | ouch |
| [18:57:24] | kormoc: | And it's Jesse's none the less... |
| [18:57:30] | kormoc: | He *should* know better |
| [18:57:33] | ** kormoc pokes it at xris ** | |
| [18:58:00] | sphery: | we've had that one reported, before, too :) |
| [18:58:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: I was at my previous company for 16 years... ;-) Been at my current one for about 2 years now. |
| [18:58:11] | tmkt: | meshe..9.5 years for me |
| [18:58:19] | meshe: | nice |
| [18:58:24] | tmkt: | and that puts me at 370th most long lasting |
| [18:58:27] | tmkt: | out of 15000 people |
| [18:58:31] | sphery: | kormoc: and it follows nicely on #6776 (also yours) |
| [18:58:31] | meshe: | supposedly it's rare in the IT industry |
| [18:58:34] | tmkt: | 5 years..we get bubble gum machine |
| [18:58:38] | tmkt: | 10 an espresso machine |
| [18:58:43] | tmkt: | 15 a foozball table |
| [18:58:48] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [18:58:56] | tmkt: | getting screwed out of my espresso machine though |
| [18:59:05] | sphery: | kormoc: someone who's expecting to use Myth as a TV listings guide without capture cards/inputs configured, it seems |
| [18:59:12] | meshe: | tmkt: why's that? |
| [18:59:17] | juski: | 10 years? folks get less for murder here :P |
| [18:59:18] | sphery: | when FreeGuide would be a much better fit |
| [18:59:25] | tmkt: | being layed off before the 10 year mark |
| [18:59:40] | meshe: | tmkt: ouch, sorry to hear that |
| [18:59:47] | tmkt: | unless i want to move back to california |
| [18:59:51] | Shadow__X: | sorry to hear that tmkt |
| [19:00:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | my 5 yrs I got a "Brass & Glass clock" – wow... for the 10 year I picked the Table Saw (Grunt-Grunt!), and for my 15 year award I picked the Radial Arm Chop Saw. I figured I wanted stuff I'd actually USE!!! |
| [19:00:14] | tmkt: | no worries...on the verge of another job any day now |
| [19:00:32] | tmkt: | just pissed off that i've been drinking bad espresso for the last couple years waiting for the new espresso machine |
| [19:00:47] | meshe: | ouch |
| [19:01:22] | tmkt: | http://www.wholelattelove.com/Rancilio/rancilio_essentials.cfm |
| [19:01:25] | tmkt: | so got that instead |
| [19:01:35] | juski: | we got presents for long service in our place too |
| [19:01:41] | juski: | we get to stay. or not. depending |
| [19:01:43] | meshe: | if they lay me off here i'll get at least 2 months severance pay |
| [19:02:03] | Shadow__X: | thats an expensive expreso machine |
| [19:02:35] | tmkt: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tracyjuang/3672479199/ |
| [19:02:39] | tmkt: | is what they give after 10 years |
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| [19:04:31] | tmkt: | seems like they downgraded..it was a koala espresso before |
| [19:05:46] | MrGandalf: | I've been reading all the hoopla about the new ION motherboards and their 26 watts of draw.. Yesterday I measured my Core2 duo 3.16ghz system and it only takes 75 watts.. I don't see the big deal. |
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| [19:06:45] | wagnerrp: | MrGandalf: if you try hard enough, you can get that core2 down to ~40W consumption |
| [19:06:46] | juski: | frontends mounted on the back of displays. that is the big deal |
| [19:07:18] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: no doubt, but it may not be able to decode 1080i h264 in real time. |
| [19:07:27] | wagnerrp: | undervolt and underclock down to a speed that is still several times the capacity of an atom |
| [19:07:42] | MrGandalf: | yeah.. I guess if I used VDPAI |
| [19:07:43] | wagnerrp: | MrGandalf: what bitrate? |
| [19:07:48] | MrGandalf: | VDPAU rather |
| [19:07:52] | juski: | or just wait for the next generation Neuros OSD :-P |
| [19:08:04] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to use VDPAU, you may as well stick with the ION |
| [19:08:18] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: HDPVR material.. high bitrate (don't remember) |
| [19:08:28] | wagnerrp: | ah... theres the problem |
| [19:08:34] | wagnerrp: | single sliced material at 13Mbps |
| [19:08:45] | juski: | 13Mbps isn't high |
| [19:08:45] | wagnerrp: | is going to take a beefy chip no matter what you do |
| [19:08:51] | RyeBrye: | my psu pushes out 850 watts. I think it is overkill, but it sure is quiet when it powers my system at probably 100 or so |
| [19:08:54] | wagnerrp: | its single sliced, so single core decoding |
| [19:09:06] | MrGandalf: | VDPAU seems to handle it fine, though I don't know about the NVidia chip on the ION. |
| [19:09:18] | wagnerrp: | 13Mbps on a core is a higher end Core chip |
| [19:09:30] | MrGandalf: | I decode it on the CPU. |
| [19:09:38] | sphery: | RyeBrye: though it's probably wasting a lot of power... Since even 80 PLUS only guarantees 80% efficiency at loads between 20% and 100%, you'd have to draw 170W before you were at 20% load. |
| [19:09:40] | wagnerrp: | the chip on the ION is just a 9400, which is an overclocked 9300 |
| [19:10:04] | wagnerrp: | youll decode just fine, but you probably wont be able to use the 2x or advanced deinterlacer |
| [19:10:17] | brad2: | wow this hdpvr goes in as slick as butter |
| [19:10:19] | brad2: | hahaha |
| [19:10:21] | RyeBrye: | sphery: true... but it's downstairs and my downstairs is 75% below ground and it's always freezing... so that extra waste turns into heat which I can use more of! :) |
| [19:10:44] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: maybe, but its very expensive heat |
| [19:10:57] | RyeBrye: | true. I need a natural gas powered PSU |
| [19:11:04] | wagnerrp: | burners or heatpumps are FAR cheaper than resistive heat |
| [19:11:14] | MrGandalf: | juski: that's a good point.. they are very small and quiet |
| [19:11:23] | sphery: | heh, yeah, here we pay for extra heat 2x--generating it with the electronics, and removing it with the air conditioning |
| [19:11:35] | sphery: | (except for that week of winter, of course) |
| [19:11:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that one week where it reaches normal temperatures |
| [19:11:55] | sphery: | right |
| [19:12:19] | wagnerrp: | anyone making a big push for geothermal cooling? |
| [19:12:24] | sphery: | actually, it's probably cooler here than in many parts of the US, right now. However, it's the same temp now that it is almost all year. |
| [19:12:38] | RyeBrye: | it gets hot here, but the people who designed the AC have the whole house as one zone, so to have the upstairs comfortable (where the thermostat is) the downstairs has to be miserably cold |
| [19:12:52] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how well that would work in florida, where your water table is so high |
| [19:13:26] | sphery: | don't know... When I replaced my AC, I didn't see much discussion of it. |
| [19:13:39] | wagnerrp: | were starting to see ads around here for it |
| [19:13:51] | wagnerrp: | i know someone at work installed such a system a couple years ago |
| [19:13:51] | sphery: | I would have considered it if it was more cost-effective for me (long term) and if it was easily accessible. |
| [19:14:20] | jduggan: | what %'age signal/quality should one expect to find on a full transport scan of dvb-s |
| [19:14:33] | jduggan: | s/quality/noise/ |
| [19:16:09] | sphery: | Heh, here's a wonderful description of geothermal ( http://www.beacononlinenews.com/news/daily/957 ). "In other parts of the country, naturally warm air from beneath the earth's surface is used to heat homes and water." |
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| [19:16:22] | sphery: | Just gotta get that air out from under the ground |
| [19:16:44] | wagnerrp: | warm air underground? |
| [19:17:01] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression there was neither warm nor air underground |
| [19:17:07] | sphery: | so says the author--whose copy was never read by an editor, it seems |
| [19:18:28] | MrGandalf: | sphery: I've never understood those systems. How can they be cost effective? I mean, the (water) they pump is ground temp. which is too cool for winter and probably too warm for summer and when you add in the electric used to constantly pump the water to circulate it.. |
| [19:18:32] | sphery: | Sounds like their approach is to pump water from wells to use for heat exchange... Wonder if that's still more efficient than typical AC for "small" areas. |
| [19:18:52] | wagnerrp: | MrGandalf: the ground more than a couple feet down is a constant ~55F |
| [19:18:59] | sphery: | Yeah... It sounds like it could be efficient, but /only/ for huge areas--like a school or an airport |
| [19:19:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: 72F here |
| [19:19:07] | wagnerrp: | its immediately usable for air conditioning systems |
| [19:19:10] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: yes, my point exactly. |
| [19:19:20] | sphery: | Yeah, we have no such thing as cold tap water in FL |
| [19:19:30] | wagnerrp: | since youre exchanging against 55F ground instead of 80–90F air |
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| [19:19:56] | wagnerrp: | and at colder temperatures, its usable for heating since youre exchanging 55F ground instead of 10–30F air |
| [19:20:13] | sphery: | but pumping water is expensive |
| [19:20:55] | wagnerrp: | for heating, you might actually be able to get by with natural convection |
| [19:21:53] | wagnerrp: | but typically you lay the pipe a over a length of a couple dozen yards, just a couple feet under ground |
| [19:22:02] | wagnerrp: | so you really only need a couple PSI head pressure |
| [19:22:34] | wagnerrp: | and for air conditioning, youre running a couple hundred W pump, instead of a couple thousand W compressor |
| [19:22:37] | MrGandalf: | Those systems usually go down pretty deep or take up your entire yard. By the time you factor in the installation costs plus the pumping costs, I can't see how it would ever pay itself off. |
| [19:23:18] | MrGandalf: | but I'm probably wrong.. |
| [19:23:28] | wagnerrp: | the guys at work who did it, rented a ditch witch and installed it over a long afternoon |
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| [19:28:22] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: ok, lets say you want to heat with it. It's 30 F outside and it's 70 F inside. Your ground water is 55 F. If you're using forced air, it's heating the air in the house that's dropped below 70 F, but it's still quite a bit warmer than 55 F. So, how does using ground water help in this case? |
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| [19:29:07] | wagnerrp: | you have to draw that heat from somewhere |
| [19:29:20] | wagnerrp: | do you draw it from 30F outside air, or 55F ground? |
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| [19:29:52] | MrGandalf: | You draw it from the air in the house that's near 70 F. |
| [19:30:10] | wagnerrp: | youre going to heat the air, with the heat from the air? |
| [19:30:14] | MrGandalf: | You're just reheating the air already in the house. |
| [19:30:20] | wagnerrp: | explain this magical perpetual motion device |
| [19:30:42] | MrGandalf: | How can you heat to 70 with ground water that's only 55? |
| [19:30:56] | wagnerrp: | with the magic of heat pumps |
| [19:31:16] | MrGandalf: | Please explain |
| [19:31:20] | wagnerrp: | the same thing that runs your AC, only in reverse |
| [19:31:29] | wagnerrp: | the AC pumps heat from your internal air to the outside |
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| [19:31:39] | wagnerrp: | this pumps heat from the outside to your internal air |
| [19:32:07] | wagnerrp: | think about it |
| [19:32:32] | wagnerrp: | when your AC runs, youre extracting heat from your internal 70F air, and forcing it to the external 90+F air |
| [19:32:38] | wagnerrp: | same with your refrigerator |
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| [19:32:58] | wagnerrp: | extracting heat from 40F air and dumping it into your 70–80F outside air |
| [19:33:10] | highzeth: | I choice to go with air 2 air heat pump, rather than ground. Works great, atleast down to about 13C.. not alot of effect then. |
| [19:33:50] | highzeth: | and reg depth of pipes, that gotta highly depend on where(how far north) you live, no? |
| [19:34:16] | wagnerrp: | highzeth: apparently, considering sphery's claim of 72F ground water |
| [19:34:34] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: I guess I need to research how a heat pump works then. An AC does the trick by compressing refrigerent using quite a bit of electricity. I can't imagine a heat pump compressing water. |
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| [19:34:42] | highzeth: | I would have to go real deep to get that kinda effect up here atleast. =) |
| [19:35:04] | wagnerrp: | MrGandalf: you dont compress the water (by definition you cant compress water) |
| [19:35:13] | wagnerrp: | the water replaces the normal outside heat exchange unit |
| [19:35:25] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: exactly :) |
| [19:35:44] | wagnerrp: | instead of exchanging heat with outside air, you exchange heat with your water pipes |
| [19:36:13] | wagnerrp: | you still have some internal working refrigerant that the heatpump runs on |
| [19:38:05] | MrGandalf: | It just seems to be that at MOST you'll be heating to the temp. of the ground water. |
| [19:38:44] | wagnerrp: | you have a freezer, correct? |
| [19:38:49] | MrGandalf: | yes |
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| [19:39:12] | wagnerrp: | and how does that work? |
| [19:39:48] | MrGandalf: | through compressing a liquid and letting it vaporize |
| [19:39:52] | wagnerrp: | youre pumping heat from the 10F air inside the freezer, and dumping it onto 100F+ radiators |
| [19:40:25] | wagnerrp: | so why cant you do the same in this other scenario? |
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| [19:41:05] | MrGandalf: | if you are, you're using quite a bit of electricity running that compressor |
| [19:41:28] | wagnerrp: | temperature is temperature |
| [19:41:49] | wagnerrp: | youre going to be using more energy to extract heat from a 20–30F source than you are from a 55F source |
| [19:42:16] | highzeth: | err.. correction, my pump works well down to -13C a rather crucial – missing there ;) |
| [19:43:29] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: ok, question.. I have a well and my heat is forced air. Are there systems which could take advantage of these? |
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| [19:43:49] | highzeth: | yes, when its cold outside, it uses more electricity to keep the inside temp up. But compared to regular panel ovens, the heat distribution is uber |
| [19:44:55] | wagnerrp: | depends on the temperature of the well |
| [19:45:13] | wagnerrp: | but you can probably just drop some pipes down the side, and hook it into one of these systems |
| [19:45:25] | MrGandalf: | wagnerrp: I think mine is the typical 50–60. |
| [19:45:33] | wagnerrp: | no digging necessary |
| [19:45:49] | wagnerrp: | cost would be little more than the cost of the equipment |
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| [19:51:06] | knowledgejunkie: | anyone using ircproxyd and having problems with nickserv? |
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| [19:52:57] | iamlindoro: | Silly #6777 |
| [19:58:45] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Thanks for adding those images back in :) |
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| [20:02:10] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Ultimately HD-PeeVeeArrs? |
| [20:02:21] | GreyFoxx: | Hopefully yeah |
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| [20:02:50] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta | |
| [20:02:56] | GreyFoxx: | Once I get one I'll call up and place the sat order |
| [20:03:16] | stuarta: | what that 1/2 decent dvb-s card supplier in germany again? |
| [20:03:20] | wagnerrp: | you mean i cant use mythweb without a tuner??? |
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| [20:04:53] | wagnerrp: | was that you posting anonymously, rather than incurring the ire of some random person on the internets? |
| [20:05:08] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: Technisat? |
| [20:05:49] | stuarta: | no, thats a brand |
| [20:06:02] | iamlindoro: | oh, my mistake, thought that's what you were asking |
| [20:06:08] | stuarta: | there's a website that carries all the different makes |
| [20:08:14] | ** stuarta throws tantrum ** | |
| [20:08:26] | stuarta: | 170 euro for a dvb-s2 card!!! |
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| [20:09:49] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, didn't notice nvidia 190.18 was out.... maybe that will solve my litle xvideo playback problem ...that strangely only shows up with dvd playback |
| [20:10:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Sorry, I forgot to try your UPnP patch last-night... |
| [20:10:47] | stuarta: | ahah! |
| [20:10:55] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I have seen your Hue issues here too, BTW |
| [20:11:03] | iamlindoro: | for at least three driver revisions |
| [20:11:09] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, so it's not just me :) |
| [20:11:18] | iamlindoro: | Starting around 180.xx I think |
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| [20:13:41] | GreyFoxx: | For me it started with 185.* and up |
| [20:13:44] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: found it? |
| [20:13:47] | GreyFoxx: | Or at lesat I noticed it then |
| [20:14:26] | anykey_: | stuarta: are you kidding me? which one? |
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| [20:15:29] | anykey_: | stuarta: dvbshop.net has the TeVii S470 DVB-S2 for 79.90eur |
| [20:15:57] | stuarta: | yeah, dvbshop.net was the one (which i'd found again, hence ahah!) |
| [20:16:34] | anykey_: | and the tevii seems to be listed as supported on linuxtv.org |
| [20:17:07] | stuarta: | ooo er. |
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| [20:17:37] | stuarta: | yeah, but the technotrend s2–1600 is only 51.90 euro |
| [20:17:56] | anykey_: | even better |
| [20:20:20] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [20:21:05] | janneg: | is the technotrend supported? |
| [20:21:14] | stuarta: | nfi |
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| [20:23:02] | anykey_: | janneg: "experimental" |
| [20:25:29] | kormoc: | sphery, #6777 was added at xris' request, he has a feature planned from it |
| [20:25:45] | highzeth: | stuarta: Ive had better experience with the tevii s460 than then tt s2–1600.. ymmv |
| [20:26:42] | stuarta: | site only has the S470 which is PCIe and thus useless to me |
| [20:26:45] | stuarta: | :( |
| [20:27:00] | highzeth: | ok, I bought both from that site a couple months ago. |
| [20:27:14] | gbee: | highzeth: PCIe? |
| [20:27:22] | highzeth: | no the S460 & tt s2–1600 |
| [20:27:23] | stuarta: | they might have hidden it somewhere |
| [20:27:39] | highzeth: | 460 is pci |
| [20:28:10] | gbee: | stuarta: if you do settle, let me know which since I'm after one myself (and refuse to pay £80+) for the Nova-HD even if it would be my preferred choice |
| [20:28:17] | janneg: | well, at least the S2–1600 is a saa7146 based design, only demod and tuner can be experimental |
| [20:29:02] | highzeth: | janneg: tuner has been my main curse, not as sensitive as the tevii tuner. Many channels Ive had problems getting a lock on |
| [20:30:10] | highzeth: | it also drops stream randomly.. tevii has been rock solid, so I will get more tevii's when I replace the remaining -s cards here |
| [20:30:48] | anykey_: | I contacted TeVii sales some weeks ago, I think they would be willing to give you some $ off if you're a mythtv dev |
| [20:30:59] | gbee: | just avoid Satelco |
| [20:30:59] | anykey_: | though they ship directly from china then |
| [20:31:31] | stuarta: | ok, though they _used_ to be alright... |
| [20:31:35] | highzeth: | and skystar.. |
| [20:32:10] | highzeth: | soz, technisat that is |
| [20:32:21] | anykey_: | I had both the satelco and still have the skystar. Satelco didn't get any signal, Skystar is ok with signal but locks up after 3 hours or so |
| [20:33:20] | highzeth: | not had lock up issues with it, but plenty of tuner issues, not getting lock S/N ratio off the scale, drops in stream etc |
| [20:33:59] | janneg: | tevii has some sort of linux drivers on their support page which contains at least the right firmware |
| [20:34:26] | highzeth: | janneg: yup, only thing you need is a semi recent check out of v4l and the firmware |
| [20:35:02] | gbee: | stuarta: my Satelco can't pick up the BBC HD mux without interference which I think is actually generated by the card itself, the signal is great, Nova-S had no problems |
| [20:35:21] | ** stuarta scratches that off the list ** | |
| [20:35:26] | gbee: | since relating that others have said that the same problem can be seen with their other cards, e.g. DVB-C |
| [20:36:11] | sphery: | kormoc: OK... Interesting. |
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| [20:37:18] | janneg: | highzeth: unfortunately the tevii S460 doesn't seem to be available anymore |
| [20:37:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: mythweb question – the ISTR the search being case-insensitve, yet it seems to be case-sensitve now – anything I can change to revert it to case-insensitve? |
| [20:38:14] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: trunk? |
| [20:39:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I'm seeing it on 0.21-fixes even – I though perhaps my DB had somehow gotten goofed up, but when I decided to enter a partial title in 'correct case', it poped right up. |
| [20:39:15] | gbee: | the Technotrend looks interesting, well about the right price anyway |
| [20:39:20] | highzeth: | janneg: I find it odd if they have dropped it, its not like its a old card |
| [20:39:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | IE: A search for "america's got talent" returns no hits, but "America's Got Talent" produces the expected result... |
| [20:39:48] | anykey_: | well, at least they consider that most new motherboards have more pci-e slots than pci ones |
| [20:40:02] | highzeth: | gbee: thats why I got 2 of each, the tt looked good price wise.. Not so much performance wise as of now tho |
| [20:40:04] | anykey_: | maybe they're going to release a dvb-c version... |
| [20:40:13] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, if you go directly to the advanced search page, do you have it as sensitive or in there? |
| [20:40:14] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: it's all determined by MySQL and unless you've messed with your DB character encodings, there's no possible way it could be case sensitive in 0.21-fixes |
| [20:40:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: let me check – I don't remember changing it... ;-) |
| [20:40:31] | sphery: | unless there's some option... :) |
| [20:40:40] | kormoc: | I think there might be... |
| [20:40:46] | kormoc: | and little known 'feature' |
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| [20:41:06] | kormoc: | the quick search honors previously set advanced search settings |
| [20:41:08] | sphery: | I don't see one in Advanced Search |
| [20:41:19] | kormoc: | okay, then I'm just out of it :P |
| [20:41:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: ooh, I think you may have hit the nail on the head... I had inadvertently upgraded my 0.21-fixes DB with a trunk box on the network, about 2–1/2 updates before killing it, and manually reverting the changes. One of them was the default character set. |
| [20:41:53] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: both queries work for me |
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| [20:42:11] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: then you best revert to the pre-upgrade backup |
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| [20:42:26] | sphery: | anything else and you'll likely have a broken 0.21-fixes until you upgrade to 0.22, when you'll have a broken 0.22 |
| [20:42:52] | sphery: | i.e. don't trust /anything/ that was put in there after the partial upgrade |
| [20:43:08] | sphery: | and manually reverting those charset changes will almost definitely corrupt data |
| [20:43:14] | gbee: | just how hot-plugable is Sata? |
| [20:43:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: not possible.. it didn't exist (my cron job was broken, and I didn't realize it), that's why I jumped through hoops to revert it back... It was either that or a forced upgrade to trunk... |
| [20:43:25] | anykey_: | gbee: depends on your controller |
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| [20:44:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: All my titles, etc are all ascii-7, so nothing got corrupted for me. But it seems to have affected the case-sensitivity... humm... |
| [20:44:34] | gbee: | don't want to damage the mobo by disconnecting this dead drive without powering down (if needed) |
| [20:46:23] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, ascii-7 is case sensitive, latin1_swedish_ci is not |
| [20:46:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: I was able to hot-plug a sata drive on my backend recently – and although the os didn't automatically detect it, a few commands I found after some googling made the new drive apper fine. |
| [20:47:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Oh, my bad – it was latin1 to UTF8, then switched back to latin1. |
| [20:47:54] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, latin1 what? |
| [20:47:59] | kormoc: | (check collation) |
| [20:48:13] | highzeth: | gbee never had a issue with hotswapping sata, but, I always turn of power on said drive(s) before I do so |
| [20:48:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Here's my notes from when I did it: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1511460 |
| [20:48:29] | highzeth: | so.. perhaps not hotswapping ;) |
| [20:48:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Let me check... |
| [20:48:47] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: if nothing else, do a partial restore (no plugin data): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup |
| [20:48:57] | sphery: | though if it were me, I'd go back... |
| [20:49:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I can't – no backup prior to the issue. They're running daily since... (doh!) |
| [20:49:40] | sphery: | then partial of your current |
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| [20:49:58] | sphery: | it will throw away all corrupt data except the corrupt per-recording and recording rule data |
| [20:50:01] | backslash7|away: | -- I really have issues with mythtv, after ten minutes Live CD will just freeze. Full log here: http://pastebin.com/f2629ffb7 |
| [20:50:15] | sphery: | which you can ignore until you delete recordings and fix recording rules for |
| [20:50:55] | sphery: | anyway, the /right/ fix when you saw you accidentally started to upgrade your DB would have been to immediately drop the DB and restore the pre-upgrade backup (that's done automatically for you) |
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| [20:51:48] | gbee: | I'll just remove the drive tomorrow when the new one arrives, can't easily extract it when the machine is running anyway |
| [20:51:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: maybe you missed my notes, but the automatic b/u wasn't working... thus nothing to go back to. |
| [20:51:55] | sphery: | with that approach, there's no lost data /and/ you don't have a corrupt DB schema (that will prevent future upgrades or cause (further?) corruption on future upgrades) |
| [20:52:04] | dani22m: | hello, |
| [20:52:23] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: did you post any info on the failure? logs? |
| [20:52:37] | meshe: | J-e-f-f-A: i think he's saying that the dbcheck upgrade process does a backup before the upgrade starts |
| [20:52:48] | dani22m: | is here anybody, there me can explan the structure of the databasetable "record" ? |
| [20:52:52] | backslash7|away: | Here's the log of what happens if I quit Live TV and try to start it again: http://pastebin.com/f49114f05 |
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| [20:53:01] | sphery: | right, but if it didn't work, I need someone who sees the failure to report the issue so I can fix it |
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| [20:53:05] | backslash7: | I'd really appreciate anybody helping me |
| [20:53:13] | sphery: | as I have /never/ succeeded at causing the automatic backup to fail |
| [20:53:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: It was because it was pointing to a no-longer valid path. But I hadn't been 'watching' it to notice it wasn't working. Once I fixed the path, it worked again. |
| [20:53:19] | FisherPrice70: | Apart from signal strength what else does a signal need to be locked on to... I have some chanels on my DVB tuner that are up in the 87% or higher, but I can't get a lock on them and they won't tune in. |
| [20:53:35] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: ah, your DB Backups SG had an invalid directory in it? |
| [20:53:58] | dani22m: | is here anybody, there me can explan the structure of the databasetable "record" ? |
| [20:54:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: If that's the case, the backup file was on my Trunk box then, not my 0.21-fixes box... I ran 'mythtv-setup' from the trunk box after dropping the trunk DB, and it found the 0.21-fixes DB via UPnP and decided to upgrade it... |
| [20:54:34] | sphery: | dani22m: the best explanation is, "It's a table that's not /ever/ meant to be touched directly." |
| [20:54:39] | sphery: | dani22m: what are you trying to do? |
| [20:54:45] | backslash7: | Please |
| [20:54:49] | kormoc: | DESCRIBE record; would show the structure |
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| [20:55:30] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, it would be on the machine that performed the upgrade (or at least on a filesystem accessible by that machine--assuming NFS/CIFS) |
| [20:56:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I didn't realize that. It would have things MUCH easier... DOH! Oh well, live & learn. |
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| [20:56:55] | dani22m: | sphery i know ;-) |
| [20:57:10] | sphery: | well, we have a popup that tells you about the backup, but it only works if using a GUI to upgrade (i.e. mythtv-setup or mythfrontend -u) |
| [20:57:26] | sphery: | other than that, the only way you'd know is because it's prominently displayed in the logs... :) |
| [20:57:30] | dani22m: | sphery i have a dbox2 and ich write a perl-skript to get the epg from the dbox. |
| [20:57:45] | sphery: | though I can see failing to read the logs when you realize you just messed things up... |
| [20:57:49] | dani22m: | sphery the mythtv solution ist not realy good. |
| [20:58:09] | sphery: | (not being sarcastic--I realize fear/worry causes people to forget proper procedures) |
| [20:58:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, I saw the popup, but didn't think anything of it – I thought it was just notifying me that it was creating it from scratch, not that it had found the DB on the network and was updataing my 0.21-fixes db... doh! |
| [20:58:32] | sphery: | dani22m: Are you trying to write the script yourself (or improve an existing one)? |
| [20:58:55] | sphery: | dani22m: if so, you should /not/ be using direct DB access... You should use either the python bindings or the perl bindings or the MythXML interface |
| [20:59:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: When it was running for a couple of minutes, and going very slow, I started to think "What's taking so long", then looked @ logs and nearly pooped myself when I saw it was updating the DB on my -fixes box... |
| [20:59:37] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: ah... too bad... Still, though, I /highly/ reocmmenend a partial restore to fix your schema (then, the only corruption would be data corruption--which is fixable if it's enough of an issue) |
| [21:00:19] | sphery: | yeah... that would be scary--especially if you hadn't made a backup (because you weren't expecting anything to change) |
| [21:00:35] | dani22m: | sphery yes it is a completly new script by myself. |
| [21:00:39] | sphery: | but for future reference, it will make an automatic backup |
| [21:00:48] | sphery: | dani22m: what's your preferred language? |
| [21:00:57] | kormoc: | why would EPG require the record table? |
| [21:01:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | and I had 'assumed' the nightly backup was still working, but had forgotten to check it after re-bulding my video discs after a raid failure... :-( |
| [21:01:04] | dani22m: | sphery do you have a link to a perl-binding documentation ? |
| [21:01:36] | sphery: | dani22m: mythtv source distribution under bindings/perl/ --the documentation is all the .pm files ;) (I.e. only the source) |
| [21:02:15] | anykey_: | /win 3 |
| [21:02:26] | sphery: | dani22m: See, also, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323174#323174 (which talks about using the MythXML interface) |
| [21:02:34] | sphery: | dani22m: and that's specifically for EPG stuff |
| [21:02:56] | dani22m: | shpery ok, i try this... and the other way a documention of the mythtv database table recorded ? my mainview is the column "type" |
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| [21:03:06] | sphery: | dani22m: the best way to learn the Perl bindings is probably looking at those scripts in contrib that have the line "use MythTV;" |
| [21:03:11] | meshe: | sphery: hehe, looks like another task i can take on |
| [21:03:23] | sphery: | meshe: documenting perl bindings? |
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| [21:03:28] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [21:03:35] | kormoc: | meshe, you shooting for mythgoddess status? ;) |
| [21:03:37] | dani22m: | sphery thank's for the link. |
| [21:03:37] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Expending them with new functionality would be even more fun, no? :) |
| [21:03:41] | iamlindoro: | er Expanding |
| [21:03:42] | ** sphery begins planning the monument to honor meshe ** | |
| [21:03:49] | meshe: | iamlindoro: i can do both |
| [21:04:04] | ** iamlindoro builds the idol feet ** | |
| [21:04:11] | sphery: | meshe: yeah, you'll have to do some work to catch the Perl bindings up with the Python bindings |
| [21:04:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp working hard on the python bindings, meshe interested in the perl ones... |
| [21:04:22] | meshe: | perl code should have POD (and test cases, but i'm not sure i'm going there yet) |
| [21:04:25] | kormoc: | thanks to wagnerrp, that python lovvin... |
| [21:04:33] | sphery: | that slimy snake slid past the perl bindings when we weren't looking |
| [21:04:48] | backslash7: | -- I really have issues with mythtv, after ten minutes Live CD will just freeze. Full log here: http://pastebin.com/f2629ffb7 |
| [21:04:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp has been on quite the roll lately |
| [21:04:54] | iamlindoro: | If I avoided looking at the dates things were opened in trac, I might be fooled into believing people wanted Myth to improve |
| [21:04:55] | backslash7: | Here's the log of what happens if I quit Live TV and try to start it again: http://pastebin.com/f49114f05 |
| [21:04:56] | meshe: | i'll need to hit up wagnerrp for a list of the improvements |
| [21:05:21] | sphery: | backslash7: did you get your driver/DMA issues fixed? |
| [21:05:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, fear not! I am on a mini-induced spree! |
| [21:05:36] | ** kormoc starts closing all the tickets as "won't fix" ** | |
| [21:05:40] | sphery: | kormoc: better than a mini-spree (and longer lasting, too) |
| [21:05:48] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [21:05:58] | meshe: | sphery: i'll probably start with documenting them so I know how to use them, then extend them |
| [21:06:05] | backslash7: | sphery: No, I still get dma timeouts in dmesg | tail |
| [21:06:08] | sphery: | meshe: cool... |
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| [21:06:24] | backslash7: | I googled it for about an hour and read tons of mythtv maillists |
| [21:06:26] | sphery: | backslash7: until your driver/capture card works reliably, Myth won't work reliably at recording/capturing TV from the card |
| [21:06:31] | backslash7: | it said that the new version should have fixed it |
| [21:06:38] | backslash7: | but I have the newest version |
| [21:06:48] | sphery: | PVR-x50? |
| [21:06:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: And he said he's using a LiveCD too... |
| [21:07:28] | backslash7: | sphery: It's ivtv, automatically loaded by the kernel, my card was detected |
| [21:07:31] | sphery: | Never used a LiveCD, but I thought for backends they had to be installed to HDD. |
| [21:07:31] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: Me? |
| [21:07:43] | sphery: | backslash7: which card, though |
| [21:08:01] | backslash7: | sphery: pvr-250 |
| [21:08:19] | backslash7: | it's nowhere documented but it was detected and the driver ivtv works fine for a couple of minutes |
| [21:08:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes. do you have it installed to the HDD, or just booting off the CD? |
| [21:08:25] | backslash7: | do you think its because of the card? |
| [21:08:39] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: The the HD of course, I didn't say anything about Live CD did I ? |
| [21:08:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | backslash7: No. I run a PVR-250 and PVR-500 in my system now. |
| [21:08:51] | sphery: | backslash7: are you sure the card's fully functional? Can you get another PVR-x50 to test with (or just buy your 2nd one earlier than planned)? |
| [21:09:03] | meshe: | backslash7|away> — I really have issues with mythtv, after ten minutes |
| [21:09:04] | meshe: | Live CD will just freeze. |
| [21:09:07] | backslash7: | sphery: I have a pvr-350 here but I have to give it back |
| [21:09:18] | Dagmar: | Probably for the best |
| [21:09:24] | backslash7: | Sorry then, that should have been Live TV of course |
| [21:09:39] | Dagmar: | You'll probably be happer with a newer PVR-150 if you can find one |
| [21:09:48] | sphery: | backslash7: I'd recommend throwing the PVR-350 in (and removing the PVR-250) and seeing if it works. |
| [21:09:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A likes his 350 and 250... ;-) ** | |
| [21:10:01] | sphery: | if so, get a new PVR-250 (or PVR-150) and give back the PVR-350 |
| [21:10:06] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking the _age_ of the PVR-250 might have something to do with it |
| [21:10:13] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: My 250 doesn't work all that great as you may have noticed :P |
| [21:10:19] | sphery: | if not, ... well, I'm almost positive it's the card... |
| [21:10:19] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: How did you manage to get it working? |
| [21:10:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | backslash7: Plug & Play... |
| [21:10:43] | sphery: | as PVR-[1–3]50 have been rock-solid stable drivers for years |
| [21:10:43] | Dagmar: | Holy christ |
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| [21:10:46] | backslash7: | sphery: All right... Will I have to change anything? Or will the kernel just load the corresponding kernel module |
| [21:10:49] | backslash7: | Ubuntu Desktop |
| [21:10:59] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: Works for me too... For 10 minutes at least :P |
| [21:10:59] | Dagmar: | Windows 7 needs some polishing for it's updates |
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| [21:11:27] | Dagmar: | The thing just one-the-fly upgraded the video driver (which is cool and all) but making both my displays go black without warning was not so thrilling |
| [21:11:32] | Dagmar: | That scared the crap out of me |
| [21:11:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A deleted W7 when the beta ran out. Made it into a 2nd Trunk test box. ;-) ** | |
| [21:11:46] | sphery: | backslash7: PVR-350 is identical to PVR-250 with the exception that it has a completely useless standard-definition MPEG-2 decoder to help out your Pentium MMX CPU |
| [21:11:52] | Dagmar: | What are you talking about? The betas haven't run out |
| [21:12:00] | sphery: | (i.e. that's an anachronism--no use using it) |
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| [21:12:20] | Dagmar: | Dude if you installed the actual beta it should be valid until severla months after W7 hits store shelves |
| [21:12:22] | backslash7: | sphery: Okay |
| [21:12:23] | sphery: | backslash7: so if you put it in and don't configure the frame buffer/TV out, it will--for all practical purposes--be identical to the PVR-250 you removed |
| [21:12:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Mine did – it said it would start shutting down every 2 hours starting 7/1 ... |
| [21:12:41] | backslash7: | sphery: Why is the pvr-350 listed as fully compatible everywhere and you can't find anything about the 250 then ? |
| [21:12:53] | sphery: | the PVR-250 was replaced by the PVR-150 |
| [21:12:58] | Dagmar: | Must be the install date then. Mine's not planning on doing so until almost Q2 '10 |
| [21:12:59] | backslash7: | Oh |
| [21:13:07] | sphery: | the 150 is lower power, fewer chips, and less expensive |
| [21:13:13] | backslash7: | very confusing to just delete the 250 instead of pointing that fact out imao |
| [21:13:17] | Dagmar: | backslash7: Because the 250 is a very obsolete model |
| [21:13:20] | sphery: | the PVR-350 is just a waste |
| [21:13:38] | ** sphery bought a PVR-350 and used the TV out for 2 weeks and decided he wanted real functionality instead ** | |
| [21:13:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A didn't think it was a waste when he bought his about 6 or 7 years ago... ** | |
| [21:13:47] | sphery: | (Then I used the PVR-350 as a /very/ expensive PVR-250) |
| [21:13:53] | backslash7: | ok i'll throw in the 350 brb |
| [21:14:06] | sphery: | I bought mine in Feb 2004 |
| [21:14:10] | sphery: | And it was a waste then |
| [21:14:17] | sphery: | In 1999 or 2000, it would have been useful |
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| [21:14:38] | sphery: | 6–7 years ago, only useful if you had the wrong (pronounced, "Via") CPU |
| [21:14:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | I bought mine before I even knew what MythTV was... Was going to build a Wintel-based pvr, then found out about MythTV and the rest is history... |
| [21:15:32] | sphery: | Yeah, I bought mine because I was spec'ing hardware for building a Myth box to convince a friend that Myth was so much better than all the other DVR and HTPC software he had tried |
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| [21:16:02] | sphery: | Because I was spec'ing, I bought that, found it was useless, then told him to get PVR-250's (which he got for $45 each--which was amazing in 2004) |
| [21:16:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: That might be the case, I downloaded it the last day it was available, and installed it a few days later. That's ok – I like the box better as a Myth system anyways! |
| [21:16:44] | Dagmar: | I mainly just need to be sure I've got a "supported" operating system for video games |
| [21:17:31] | Dagmar: | I like WINE but there's a degree to which the hassle of making sure it's running likeit should detracts from the time I can spend using my dwarf to commit acts of genocidal pillagins |
| [21:17:34] | Dagmar: | er pillaging |
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| [21:17:47] | sphery: | I thought my XBox 360 was the answer to that one... I think, though, I need to get a bumper sticker that says, "My XBox 360 is in the shop--again!" |
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| [21:17:53] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [21:18:13] | Dagmar: | sphery: I know a place where you can have 100 of those made for $25 |
| [21:18:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:18:27] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: You applied a fresh copy of my MythVideo Seas/Ep/Sub patch today/yesterday, right? |
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| [21:18:33] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Compiled and worked properly? |
| [21:18:42] | backslash7: | Booting right now |
| [21:19:01] | kormoc: | sphery, cafepress! |
| [21:19:16] | Dagmar: | sphery: i've got it bookmarked at work. I'll dig it out and pass it to you when I see you tomorrow or the next day |
| [21:19:23] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Yes all the icons work now thanks. Sorry I should have mentioned it earlier. |
| [21:19:31] | Dagmar: | I'm about to have a bunch that say "UNDERCOMPENSATING" made for the scooterists around here |
| [21:19:43] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Cool, but the MythVideo parts work properly too, right? No problems compiling mythvideo? |
| [21:19:52] | iamlindoro: | (compile errors, etc) |
| [21:20:27] | backslash7: | Live TV is working with the PVR-350 right now. Let's wait ten minutes |
| [21:20:29] | Dagmar: | My boss had a bunch made up that spoof the "My child is an honor student" but with an SQL injection exploit |
| [21:20:32] | RDV_Linux: | No issues at all, everything I tried Watch Recording screen and MythVideo work. |
| [21:20:44] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: OK, thanks for the confirmation |
| [21:20:50] | RDV_Linux: | np |
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| [21:21:28] | ** iamlindoro pokes Anduin, offers him a frosty beer for a (specific) commit ** | |
| [21:23:22] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: If it doesn't happen this week I can't imagine when it will |
| [21:23:42] | ** iamlindoro mulls whether to take that as good news or bad news ;) ** | |
| [21:24:23] | Anduin: | good news, more free time this week |
| [21:24:33] | iamlindoro: | FWIW a fair number of people using it with 0 complaints in a looooooooong time |
| [21:24:46] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
| [21:25:03] | Dagmar: | og my mythmusic is silent |
| [21:25:06] | Anduin: | Yeah, I expect like most of your stuff I'll only give it a quick look before commit |
| [21:25:29] | meshe: | Anduin: don't tell him that ;) |
| [21:26:16] | meshe: | he might sneak in a pwnurmythbox patch ;) |
| [21:26:18] | Anduin: | he can tell, if only I could hide the committed version I could pretend like it took hours and what an incompetent fool he must be : |
| [21:26:21] | Anduin: | ) |
| [21:27:15] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:27:37] | iamlindoro: | I *know* when my patches are a mess-- this particular one is not :) |
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| [21:28:16] | iamlindoro: | There *could* be some parts that need explaining, but I'm around if they do |
| [21:28:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: again? is that a third time? |
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| [21:31:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this is #2 for me |
| [21:32:02] | meshe: | reason #2 not to buy microsoft products ;) |
| [21:34:37] | sphery: | Well, I /can/ say that their support site is pretty amazing (they seem /very/ well practiced). Can sign up for the return online, then they show you status and actually pull in UPS tracking info on the package to them and the return trip... |
| [21:34:58] | sphery: | Guess if you have enough money, you can make a very nice support website. |
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| [21:35:18] | janneg: | and if you have enough support cases |
| [21:35:29] | sphery: | true. |
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| [21:35:53] | sphery: | only problem is they quit sending the coffins to reduce costs, so I had to package it myself |
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| [21:36:16] | sphery: | fortunately, I have enough boxes and shipping material from newegg and amazon purchases that I didn't have to buy anything for it |
| [21:37:14] | superdug: | sphery: red ring of death? |
| [21:37:19] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:37:54] | sphery: | I was hoping after they gave me a different 360 when I sent it in after the first RRoD that the new one wouldn't have the problem |
| [21:37:59] | sphery: | unfortunately, that's not the case |
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| [21:38:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | backslash7: it's been 17 mins... any failure yet with the 350? |
| [21:38:29] | sphery: | this will probably be my last 360, too--I only have 5 months left on the 3yr RRoD warranty |
| [21:38:36] | backslash7: | J-e-f-f-A: Not yet |
| [21:38:48] | backslash7: | You guys were probably right, hardware defect I guess |
| [21:39:14] | sphery: | backslash7: on the bright side, you can get PVR-150's for cheap on ebay (like $20 + $5-$8 S&H) |
| [21:39:26] | backslash7: | hehe that sounds nice |
| [21:39:31] | backslash7: | maybe I can find another 350 at work |
| [21:39:44] | sphery: | really, you're better off with a PVR-150 (or even a PVR-250) |
| [21:39:44] | backslash7: | but it's good to know that card is broken (partially) |
| [21:39:54] | sphery: | the 350 takes more power and gives no benefits |
| [21:40:00] | backslash7: | I'm gonna go for a digital card anyway so |
| [21:40:04] | sphery: | (even if you don't use the decoder, it's still using the power) |
| [21:40:08] | backslash7: | okay |
| [21:40:36] | sphery: | if digital, you can get an HVR-1600, which has both an analog encoder (basically like a PVR-150) and an ATSC capture card |
| [21:40:44] | superdug: | sphery: there's a cpu resink kit online for that ... supposed to fix it once and for all |
| [21:40:48] | sphery: | so, use the analog side until you're ready for digital |
| [21:41:00] | superdug: | sphery: then there's the use a towel/blanket and pray method |
| [21:41:02] | sphery: | superdug: you'd think MS would be doing that... |
| [21:41:17] | sphery: | yeah, if it happens again, I may have to do that... |
| [21:41:20] | superdug: | hehehe, you're funny |
| [21:41:22] | sphery: | I won't be buying a brand new HDD |
| [21:41:29] | backslash7: | sphery: wow |
| [21:41:32] | sphery: | er, XBox 360 |
| [21:41:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I've also seen those 'super coolers' for the 360 – like 4 fans that snap on the back... |
| [21:41:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there is no reason to ever look for a PVR-350 |
| [21:41:41] | backslash7: | sphery: thanks a lot for the tip |
| [21:41:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know... 360 just takes you right back to 0 |
| [21:42:04] | wagnerrp: | you need to drop that zero and get with a hero |
| [21:42:12] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: MS has said that they will /cause/ the RRoD and any evidence of their use voids (even the 3-yr RRoD) warranty |
| [21:42:34] | ** sphery doesn't admit that RRoD #1 happened 10min after plugging in one of those coolers ** | |
| [21:42:36] | backslash7: | sphery: I can only get the hvr-1700 1900 900 3000 1300 1400 |
| [21:42:40] | superdug: | sphery: while you're in there ... might as well drop a mod chip in too |
| [21:42:41] | backslash7: | hehe just not the one you told me |
| [21:42:57] | sphery: | backslash7: USA? |
| [21:43:03] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 is ATSC/QAM |
| [21:43:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: unbelievable... maybe drawing too much power from the power supply? (Or are they externally powered?) |
| [21:43:11] | wagnerrp: | you apparently are looking for a DVB-T card |
| [21:43:34] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, if it's separately powered, it won't have negative effects, but the ones that snap on and draw power from the PSU will cause it |
| [21:44:05] | sphery: | backslash7: if you need DVB-T, I don't know which ones have good working drivers... |
| [21:44:24] | sphery: | backslash7: but check out linuxtv.org's wiki: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [21:44:34] | backslash7: | What about the HVR-930C |
| [21:44:39] | backslash7: | DVB-C |
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| [21:45:01] | sphery: | backslash7: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_Devices |
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| [21:46:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh well, time to go home and play with Myth... ;-) |
| [21:46:15] | juski: | why do people never blimmin listen when they're told to look at the linuxtv wiki? |
| [21:47:15] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: mine was the Nyko Intercooler (that I was given as a birthday present from a friend who had just gotten his RRoD). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyko and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_accesso . . . ercooler_360 |
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| [21:47:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: dont tell me you plugged it in and RRoDd while he was there.... |
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| [21:48:30] | sphery: | No... But plugged it in and RRoD'ed about 20min before we were supposed to start playing some Burnout online... |
| [21:48:41] | kormoc: | aww |
| [21:48:42] | sphery: | So he found out, anyway |
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| [21:50:51] | sphery: | I think the worst part of the RRoD is having to re-download all your XBox Marketplace content because the stuff on the HDD (that you don't send in) is licensed to your /other/ XBox 360 console. |
| [21:51:03] | kormoc: | youch |
| [21:51:11] | sphery: | They don't charge you for it, but it's annoying trying to figure out what stuff you bought and redownloading it |
| [21:51:48] | sphery: | Oh, and I had to /call/ them to have them reset the license on 3 of my games /and/ the Modest Mouse "Dashboard" video that came on the HDD when I bought the system. |
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| [21:52:25] | sphery: | (They didn't even have a process for re-licensing the video, so they told me there was nothing they could do, but abuot 10 months later, they reset it.) |
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| [21:53:19] | kormoc: | 10 months? |
| [21:53:21] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:54:14] | backslash7: | >.< |
| [21:54:15] | backslash7: | 2009-07–29 23:53:32.877 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [21:54:15] | backslash7: | 2009-07–29 23:53:33.324 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1025_20090729233000.mpg) Error: Waited 16 seconds for data, aborting. |
| [21:54:21] | backslash7: | PVR-350 |
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| [21:54:48] | backslash7: | DMA TIMEOUT again |
| [21:55:00] | backslash7: | I don't believe it |
| [21:55:20] | sphery: | backslash7: then it's likely the BIOS configuration or the chipset or ... on your system (assuming that the 350 is actually a good working card) |
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| [21:55:35] | sphery: | chipset meaning motherboard chipset |
| [21:55:51] | backslash7: | sphery: It's an ASUS board with an onboard GPU nvidia 8300 |
| [21:56:06] | sphery: | not video chipset, motherboard north/southbridge chipset |
| [21:56:09] | backslash7: | There's an option iGPU framebuffer |
| [21:56:22] | backslash7: | I can set it from 32mb to 1024mb I believe |
| [21:56:24] | backslash7: | or 512 |
| [21:57:01] | sphery: | but basically, to get it working, you're likely going to have to try all sorts of things and spend many days of your personal/free time trying to work it out |
| [21:57:05] | sphery: | again, not video chipset |
| [21:57:28] | sphery: | you'll be flipping switches on the kernel's config at boot, changing bios settings, ... |
| [21:57:41] | sphery: | or, you can just get new hardware that will likely work (new mobo, new capture card) |
| [21:57:53] | backslash7: | sphery: I told you because there was a guy in some mythtv list who had the exact same problem and he said he solved it by setting the framebuffer in the BIOS from 32 to 64 |
| [21:58:00] | backslash7: | mine is 128 by default |
| [21:58:03] | sphery: | I'm now of the "if it doesn't work, just get stuff that works" approach |
| [21:58:08] | backslash7: | sphery: The mobo is new |
| [21:58:23] | backslash7: | sphery: the card works too, in another computer |
| [21:58:39] | backslash7: | it's been running for days / weeks |
| [21:59:09] | backslash7: | sphery: someone told me something about the boot option acpi=off |
| [21:59:10] | sphery: | well, then the other computer is known to work with it, so can you set up Myth on that system? |
| [21:59:26] | backslash7: | sphery: No, it's not my computer |
| [21:59:33] | backslash7: | the project ended and I took the card |
| [22:00:21] | sphery: | yeah, there are the acpi options, there's the apic (no, that's not a typo of acpi) options, there's all sorts of others... start reading /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt for the list |
| [22:00:48] | sphery: | but basically, you're likely only going to solve it through trial and error |
| [22:00:49] | backslash7: | the funny thing |
| [22:00:53] | backslash7: | it took about 40 minutes this time |
| [22:00:58] | backslash7: | maybe I should take a week off |
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| [22:01:40] | sphery: | and if you're getting errors in dmesg, it's not Myth that's the problem--it's something lower level |
| [22:01:53] | backslash7: | yeah it's the ivtv0 module |
| [22:02:12] | backslash7: | which actually solved that bug versions ago according to their svn commits |
| [22:04:30] | juski: | so, compile yer own ivtv time? ;-) |
| [22:04:41] | backslash7: | you think that helps |
| [22:05:16] | juski: | well, all this is academic anyway, what with the way pvr350 output support is heading & all |
| [22:05:50] | sphery: | yeah, but he's not using the PVR-350 decoder/tv out |
| [22:05:58] | sphery: | so he's basically just using it as a PVR-250 |
| [22:06:14] | backslash7: | Okay now I read for the third time that compiling it yourself with one modified option in the kernel module source would fix it |
| [22:06:23] | backslash7: | that is, setting it to PIO |
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| [22:06:50] | backslash7: | dramaticallly increasing the cpu usage of ivtv but it works they say |
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| [22:10:10] | backslash7: | # version 1.3.0 for kernel 2.6.26 and up. |
| [22:10:11] | backslash7: | # version 1.4.0 for kernel 2.6.29 and up. |
| [22:10:30] | backslash7: | How can I have version 1.4.0 with kernel 2.6.28 then |
| [22:10:52] | juski: | seems you can't |
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| [22:11:07] | backslash7: | Ubuntu did it automatically |
| [22:11:44] | meshe: | install ubuntu 9.04 |
| [22:12:06] | meshe: | or maybe not |
| [22:12:11] | backslash7: | I have |
| [22:12:20] | backslash7: | I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 |
| [22:12:25] | meshe: | Linux michelle-laptop 2.6.28-13-generic — 9.04 |
| [22:12:38] | backslash7: | same here |
| [22:12:44] | meshe: | backslash7: maybe you have backports enabled? |
| [22:13:01] | backslash7: | no I haven't |
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| [22:17:05] | meshe: | no idea then |
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| [22:23:33] | notlistening: | Hi, I have a linkstation live and am planning to put debian on it then maybe come up with a method of capturing tv with it. I havea Homerun unit. To purely capture TV will it manage it on the Linkstation? |
| [22:24:17] | notlistening: | using mythbackend, I am not intrested in Live TV really just capture |
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| [22:46:01] | backslash7: | http://ivtvdriver.org/trac/ticket/48 |
| [22:46:28] | backslash7: | Seems this DMA TIMEOUT issue is pretty common because of a buggy engine for some Conax modules |
| [22:46:56] | backslash7: | * status changed from new to closed. * resolution set to wontfix. Turns out that the DMA engine of the cx23415/6 is buggy and can crash, depending on your hardware/software environment. There isn't much that can be done about it. Some guidelines: – don't use RAID – disable any CPU frequency changer deamons – Intel chipsets seem to perform better than nVidia or ATI chipsets. |
| [22:47:02] | backslash7: | fyi |
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| [22:57:34] | kormoc: | so it's 112 here |
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| [22:57:40] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [22:57:47] | iamlindoro: | 73 and clear ;) |
| [22:59:24] | kormoc: | not fair! You're south of us! What did we ever do? ;) |
| [23:00:41] | iamlindoro: | "Move to the wrong state" if I don't miss my mark :) |
| [23:00:53] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:00:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | 78 and muggy – 85% humidity here in MA... yuck. |
| [23:01:26] | meshe: | heh |
| [23:02:35] | meshe: | 90F and 43% humidity |
| [23:03:05] | meshe: | our low tonight is 72F |
| [23:03:31] | kormoc: | Seems like the official temp is 102 and 25% humidity |
| [23:03:55] | meshe: | kormoc: ouch |
| [23:04:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: at least the humidity is low... that's still da*n hot, but it could be worse... |
| [23:04:35] | kormoc: | yeah... it's very true, but still... brutal... |
| [23:04:52] | meshe: | i was playing volleyball today at 12:30, we only lasted 30 mins |
| [23:06:38] | brad2: | hey guys, playing around with this HDPVR, turns out my cpu blows, and i need vdpau, haha |
| [23:06:56] | brad2: | so i've compiled myth with VDPAU, but i'm not sure how to test it |
| [23:07:06] | brad2: | i tried cat /dev/video0 > test.ts, and then mythtv test.ts |
| [23:07:17] | brad2: | but it doesn't seem to work? any suggestions? |
| [23:07:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | brad2: What's your video card? |
| [23:07:46] | meshe: | mplayer test.ts |
| [23:07:47] | brad2: | nvidia geforce 8800 |
| [23:08:10] | brad2: | mplayer has vdpau? I tried it with vlc and xine, but they both puked due to cpu overusage pretty quickly |
| [23:08:35] | meshe: | there's an option for vdpau in mplayer, not sure what it is off the top of my head |
| [23:08:45] | brad2: | ahh cool, thanks meshe i will check it out |
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| [23:11:40] | meshe: | ./mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau file.mpg |
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| [23:15:42] | brad2: | thanks, will go try that |
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| [23:16:08] | iamlindoro: | He's using an HD-PVR |
| [23:16:16] | iamlindoro: | H.264 |
| [23:16:27] | brad2: | hey lindoro! |
| [23:16:42] | iamlindoro: | hello |
| [23:16:42] | brad2: | any chance you can give me some advice on using mythtv as a standalone player for testing? |
| [23:16:56] | brad2: | the hdpvr seems to work awesome, but my cpu doesn't have enough horsepower |
| [23:17:07] | brad2: | it tweaks at about 104% when playing 13.5mbps |
| [23:17:12] | iamlindoro: | What version of myth are you using? |
| [23:17:21] | brad2: | i've tried to compile with vdpau support |
| [23:17:27] | brad2: | the latest svn trunk (just on a test machine) |
| [23:17:36] | iamlindoro: | the command line player obeys the playback profiles |
| [23:17:39] | brad2: | but i'm not sure if i need some sort of switch to make it work in the player |
| [23:17:43] | stoth: | use vdpau |
| [23:17:48] | iamlindoro: | so go into the frontend and set your playback profiles up to use VDPAU |
| [23:17:55] | iamlindoro: | then the command line player will do so as well |
| [23:17:57] | brad2: | ahhhh okay |
| [23:17:58] | brad2: | that makes sense |
| [23:18:43] | brad2: | gotta say you were right though |
| [23:18:48] | brad2: | things captures at gorgeous levels |
| [23:18:49] | brad2: | haha |
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| [23:19:52] | iamlindoro: | yep, the picture is beautiful (I always capture at max bitrate, disk is cheap) |
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| [23:23:51] | kormoc: | I need to get a 2tb usb disk... |
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| [23:44:40] | brad2: | have you guys ever seen this: "Error at util-vdpau.cpp:196" when trying to play something in mythtv? |
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| [23:49:01] | brad2: | i seem to be failing CHECK_ST in teh source code, whatever that means, lol |
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