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[00:04:23] | solexious|netbk: | Great :) |
[00:05:27] | solexious|netbk: | I take it for multiple dvd movies just making the title "[moviename] Disk #" is the best way to name them? |
[00:05:45] | Dagmar: | Sure if anyone made multiple DVD movies |
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[00:07:48] | kormoc: | Director's cut of 1900 is 315 minutes |
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[00:08:08] | solexious|netbk: | well the missus likes buying the "super multidisk directors sun's cut special edition" if I didnt add all the disks she would kill me, seems as as soon as ive archived all the iso's the hard copys are going into storage |
[00:09:16] | sphery: | kormoc: so the director missed by 1585 minutes? |
[00:10:17] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, well, then there's "The Cure for Insomnia", which has a run time of 5220 minutes |
[00:11:19] | sphery: | wow... that's crazy... |
[00:11:53] | Dagmar: | solexious|netbk: So you have no intentions of concatenating the streams? |
[00:12:03] | sphery: | 87 hrs... |
[00:12:23] | Dagmar: | sphery: You will either sleep, or hallucinate |
[00:13:23] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure I'd sleep 3 different times (for 8hrs at a time) in 87 hrs |
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[00:15:36] | solexious|netbk: | Dagmar, Is that a ghostbusters reference? |
[00:19:20] | solexious|netbk: | or if you mean the size of the files from full iso rips, i've got 8tb in raid 5 and im not afraid to use it! ;) |
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[00:21:06] | Tack: | If I connect a USB keyboard to my settop cable box and press the number keys, I can change channels this way. If I connect the settop box to my HTPC via USB, is there any way I can make linux behave as a keyboard for this purpose? |
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[00:22:20] | sphery: | Is there a way? Probably. Has it been done before? I don't know of any projects that have done it. |
[00:22:34] | sphery: | You might get to be the project creator :) |
[00:22:40] | Tack: | Me neither. It's definitely an obscure idea. :) |
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[00:22:56] | Dagmar: | It's already been done. |
[00:23:02] | sphery: | you don't have firewire on the STB? |
[00:23:11] | Dagmar: | You need USB host-to-host adapter to make that kind of connection tho. |
[00:23:12] | sphery: | I know some people use firewire for channel changes |
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[00:23:18] | Tack: | sphery: I have, but don't have a firewire cable handy. :) |
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[00:23:36] | Tack: | And in any case am not sure if firewire will work, so the USB option seemed like a good fallback plan. |
[00:23:55] | sphery: | Dagmar: you know of software/drivers that allow emulating a keyboard over a USB host-to-host connection? |
[00:23:58] | Tack: | Dagmar: what sort of software would I run on the linux end? |
[00:24:04] | Dagmar: | Tack: The kind you write. |
[00:24:09] | Tack: | Naturally. |
[00:24:18] | Tack: | Hasn't it already been done, as you said? |
[00:24:18] | Dagmar: | HID protocol isn't _that_ complex |
[00:24:30] | Dagmar: | Yes, such things have already been done. |
[00:24:33] | Dagmar: | Go with firewire. |
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[00:26:28] | clever: | ive seen some micro controlers that emulate a usb keyboard thru bit whacking |
[00:26:48] | Arpman: | Im trying to port the plugins to FreeBSD, but get an error can't cd to /src/moc. I cant seem to find anything about this – can some one shed the light? |
[00:27:09] | Dagmar: | You failed to set QTPATH like the directions for Qt said. |
[00:27:35] | clever: | sphery: you might be better off using vnc or synergy, and emulate the client or server |
[00:27:46] | Tack: | Firewire is obviously the more obvious solution. It might be an interesting hack to make it work via USB though. |
[00:27:49] | clever: | sphery: that would be purely software based |
[00:28:42] | Arpman: | QTPATH – hmm – thanks for the help – I'll look into it |
[00:29:11] | Dagmar: | Tack: Interesing, yes. Also, an order of magnitude more complex |
[00:29:46] | clever: | Tack: look at vnc or synergy |
[00:30:14] | Tack: | clever: I don't think either of those will help, as neither really has anything to do with usb. |
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[00:30:27] | clever: | Tack: arent you trying to emulate a keyboard? |
[00:30:35] | Tack: | clever: over USB, yes. |
[00:30:39] | clever: | why over usb? |
[00:30:46] | iamlindoro: | jesus christ clever |
[00:30:49] | iamlindoro: | read the scrollback |
[00:31:01] | kormoc: | I swear, Canadian schools are worthless... |
[00:31:02] | iamlindoro: | if you don't have the context to ffer suggestions, STFU |
[00:31:07] | clever: | ahhh, for controling the cable box |
[00:31:12] | Tack: | kormoc: Hey, I'm Canadian. :P |
[00:31:27] | kormoc: | Tack, so get some social workers to clever asap |
[00:31:34] | Tack: | :) |
[00:31:42] | clever: | kormoc: they have allready visted |
[00:31:45] | solexious|netbk: | Is there a stand alone script to pull data from tmd into mythtv db |
[00:31:47] | Dagmar: | yeah well, we had to tell you there was special hardware involved to patch two USB hosts together so don't strain your arm patting your back |
[00:31:59] | kormoc: | why am I not surprised... |
[00:32:13] | poodyp: | you could make a micro that connects to a keyboard IC and emulates the keyboard matrix, then make the micro respond to IR codes, and hard wire it to an IR repeater |
[00:32:15] | sphery: | solexious|netbk: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
[00:32:30] | ** solexious|netbk dofs hat ** | |
[00:32:37] | Dagmar: | Granted, tehre's probably two or three people watching in silence who also had no idea, and one who's swearing I'm full of it. |
[00:32:45] | clever: | poodyp: i know something a little better, finding the link |
[00:33:06] | ** Dagmar waits for clever to come up with a plan easily ten times more complex than necessary ** | |
[00:33:53] | Tack: | Dagmar: well, we can't all be omniscient such as yourself. |
[00:33:59] | Dagmar: | Tack: Yes you can. |
[00:34:45] | Dagmar: | Keep Google as your homepage, search anything you don't immediately know, and read at least ten results from every search |
[00:35:11] | Dagmar: | Over time, the stuff piles up in your head whether you like it or not. |
[00:35:14] | clever: | Tack: http://hackaday.com/2009/04/02/capslocker-2/ |
[00:35:49] | clever: | Tack: that device has a small micro controler that acts as a usb keyboard, and randomly sends the caps lock key, with a little software tweaking it could send any key you give it over serial |
[00:35:49] | iamlindoro: | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAH |
[00:35:56] | iamlindoro: | WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS CHANNEL RIGHT NOW |
[00:36:11] | sphery: | agreed... |
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[00:36:15] | sphery: | way too much mean |
[00:36:18] | iamlindoro: | clever, That's a horrible, horrible idea, and I am dumber for having indulged it |
[00:36:26] | clever: | iamlindoro: why? |
[00:36:36] | kormoc: | not is there any proof that you can 'tweak' it with software... |
[00:37:04] | iamlindoro: | Tack, The truth is firewire is going to be the most easily supported option, and taht while the USB option is probably feasible, you'll drive yourself nuts over weeks versus grabbing a cable tomorrow after work |
[00:37:11] | clever: | kormoc: you have to change the software you put into the micro controlr |
[00:37:25] | Dagmar: | So I'm waiting for the part where you use the cat, the bathtub, the bowling ball, and forty feet of rubberized track. |
[00:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Tack, As myth has both internal and external programs for changing channel via firewire |
[00:38:04] | Dagmar: | Tack: Someday, clever will grok what an _efficient_ solution is, but until then it's like having the spirit of Rube Goldberg around. |
[00:38:04] | kormoc: | sphery, I know, it's just random garbage brings out the worst in me... |
[00:38:19] | kormoc: | a broken rube goldberg... |
[00:38:19] | clever: | Tack: http://www.obdev.at/products/avrusb/easylogger.html |
[00:38:32] | kormoc: | clever, He can google himself... |
[00:38:38] | Tack: | iamlindoro: so I've seen. If it works (as in my provider has provided me with a STB with firewire enabled), I realize the path of least resistance. But the idea of hacking something together doesn't put me off. |
[00:38:53] | iamlindoro: | Tack, If you *do* decide to hack, for the love of god, listen to nobody here |
[00:39:04] | sphery: | Any way I can tell freenode to change iamlindoro's nick to voice_of_reason ? |
[00:39:07] | Tack: | iamlindoro: I've rapidly come to the same conclusion. |
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[00:50:09] | Tack: | Thanks for the discussion. 'nite all. |
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[00:58:02] | sphery: | strange... in this Lost/Pop-up info episode, I'm noticing a lot of video errors (blinking blocks or pixels--small, anyway--and jumpiness) but only in the pop-up... the picture is otherwise perfect |
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[01:05:31] | solexious|netbk: | does any one have an example db entry for the videometadata table for a movie they could give me? |
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[01:07:32] | wagnerrp: | apollo: pastebin the message you get with your segfault |
[01:08:20] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: mythvideo runs off multiple tables, not just videometadata |
[01:08:54] | apollo: | wagnerrp: how verbose do you want it? |
[01:09:30] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, theres not a whole lot to log in mythtv-setup |
[01:09:35] | apollo: | http://dpaste.com/71844/ |
[01:09:38] | wagnerrp: | especially if you cant even get it started |
[01:09:54] | wagnerrp: | theres no error here |
[01:10:09] | apollo: | oh sorry |
[01:10:18] | apollo: | the next line is just "Segmentation fault" |
[01:10:31] | apollo: | occassionally it spits out "Illegal instruction" |
[01:10:36] | wagnerrp: | no stack trace or anything? |
[01:10:49] | sphery: | Illegal Instruction means it was compiled for a different processor than you're using |
[01:10:58] | sphery: | i.e. you've installed the wrong version |
[01:11:07] | apollo: | hmm |
[01:11:09] | apollo: | with gentoo? |
[01:11:24] | sphery: | you compiled? |
[01:11:28] | apollo: | indeed |
[01:11:34] | sphery: | if so, you broke the compile with cpu/tune/arch flags |
[01:11:44] | sphery: | i.e. you "optimized" it to non-functionality |
[01:12:01] | apollo: | yes. but I am not optimizing much :( |
[01:12:28] | wagnerrp: | i saw someone in here a couple days ago saying the configure script automatically chose '-march=pentiumpro' on an amd64 system |
[01:12:54] | sphery: | your configure line should be /very/ minimal, generally with no --disable-* and only --enable-proc-opts |
[01:13:10] | sphery: | can you pastebin the output of: mythbackend --version |
[01:13:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah... gentoo likes to fill up everything they can on that |
[01:13:16] | solexious|netbk: | wagnerrp, what tables should I be looking at? |
[01:13:28] | wagnerrp: | generally resetting all the defaults |
[01:13:59] | apollo: | there are quite a few options compiled in: http://dpaste.com/71845/ |
[01:14:05] | apollo: | defaults? |
[01:14:18] | apollo: | (are they defaults?) |
[01:15:02] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: looks like videocast, videocategory, videocountry, videogenre, videometadata, videometadatacast, videometadatacountry, videometadatagenre, filemarkup |
[01:15:04] | sphery: | OK, that doesn't show anything bad |
[01:15:40] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: videometadata is the only necessary table |
[01:16:02] | wagnerrp: | the videometadata<whatever> tables are just linking to entries in the video<whatever> tables |
[01:16:12] | sphery: | but I dont' know for sure that things like --cpu or whatever would show up there |
[01:16:18] | wagnerrp: | and filemarkup is an optional place for seektables |
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[01:16:38] | apollo: | I'll poke around the build logs... |
[01:16:42] | solexious|netbk: | wagerrp, aah, ok, I think I will leave my script till I can have a running mythtv box |
[01:16:55] | solexious|netbk: | ooh, a vm! |
[01:16:57] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: what does this script do? |
[01:17:02] | sphery: | apollo: do you still have the build dir? If so, can you pastebin config.log? |
[01:17:28] | apollo: | you wouldn't know offhand where gentoo sandboxes things? |
[01:17:46] | sphery: | don't know anything about gentoo, sorry |
[01:17:46] | solexious|netbk: | gets the dvd title from amazon based on the dvd's upc, then searches for it on tmdb and uses that to populate the mythtv db |
[01:17:57] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: if you look through the contribs folder, and trac, you can find a couple examples of scripts inserting data into the database |
[01:18:04] | apollo: | sphery: I'll track it down. |
[01:18:05] | sphery: | solexious|netbk: note that tmdb.pl populates the database for you |
[01:18:20] | sphery: | solexious|netbk: oh, wait... maybe not. |
[01:18:25] | sphery: | nvm |
[01:18:30] | wagnerrp: | apollo: /var/tmp/portage |
[01:18:48] | sphery: | solexious|netbk: I gives it to mythvideo or mythweb, which does the populating, I think |
[01:19:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, tmdb is a drop in replacement for imdb, which merely returned information on the command line |
[01:19:18] | sphery: | yeah, just forgot how the MV stuff worked. |
[01:19:28] | sphery: | both imdb and tmdb |
[01:19:37] | solexious|netbk: | sphery, yer, I was hoping to make a fully stand alone script |
[01:19:50] | wagnerrp: | check out JAMU (just another metadata utility) |
[01:20:11] | wagnerrp: | thats a (rather large) python example |
[01:20:18] | wagnerrp: | im sure you can find one for perl |
[01:20:18] | sphery: | yeah, with JAMU, your barcode script could simply look up title/change filename |
[01:20:27] | sphery: | then run JAMU on the normal files |
[01:20:46] | kormoc: | qeM32$wdq@%sfqDD |
[01:20:51] | kormoc: | Oh christ... again... |
[01:20:55] | wagnerrp: | does JAMU work with 0.21? |
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[01:21:20] | ** sphery goes to hack kormoc's system ** | |
[01:21:23] | wagnerrp: | i know rdv has done a fair bit of manipulation on the python bindings as well |
[01:21:40] | sphery: | yeah, I think it's trunk, only |
[01:21:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, no, not with .21 |
[01:21:52] | kormoc: | I'm gonna have xchat do a replace on all my passwords to something like, 'I was just stupid' |
[01:21:56] | iamlindoro: | relies on my TV ep patch, and a couple of his binding patches |
[01:22:14] | sphery: | kormoc: you're lucky that I forgot that thing we were talking about when I said, "I'll have to remember that for next time kormoc pastes his password in here..." |
[01:22:36] | wagnerrp: | thats a big ass password |
[01:22:51] | kormoc: | Heh, if you get to the box that accepts that password, I'll bow to your skillz |
[01:23:41] | sphery: | yeah, all my skillz are theoretical, as they've never been tested on real computers |
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[01:23:44] | apollo: | found this in the log: http://dpaste.com/71846/ |
[01:23:49] | kormoc: | I'm getting sick of apps that don't honor OS X window manager hints... |
[01:24:08] | sphery: | yeah, I mean really, can't they take a hint? |
[01:24:16] | wagnerrp: | disable-dvb... disable-firewire... disable-lirc... thats rather drastic |
[01:24:27] | kormoc: | sounds Gentooish! |
[01:24:32] | wagnerrp: | indeed! |
[01:24:41] | sphery: | apollo: bad things: --enable-mmx --cpu=athlon-xp |
[01:24:52] | brad2: | holy crap, nice password kormoc |
[01:24:59] | brad2: | or at least, it WAS a nice password :) |
[01:25:05] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm too used to OS X's popups taking focus in OS X, when I run x11 apps, popups don't always take focus... |
[01:25:09] | sphery: | the first isn't terribly bad (because it will automatically do that if you compile with --enable-proc-opts, which you /need/ to do--you're not now) |
[01:25:22] | sphery: | but the second is probably the reason for the illegal instruction/broken build |
[01:25:38] | apollo: | sphery: I'll fire off a build without em |
[01:25:47] | sphery: | kormoc: I had to work /very/ hard to get my popups to not take focus |
[01:26:02] | kormoc: | ooh? |
[01:26:38] | apollo: | sphery: so add ---enable-proc-opts get rid of the --cpu specifier? |
[01:26:43] | sphery: | only one i haven't figured out is Firefox... When the stupid find bar disappears, it pops to the front and steals focus--causing me to accidentally do another find in firefox, so when I switch back to the window I'm actually using, firefox's find bar will eventuall disappear causing firefox to pop to the front/take focus, causing me to... |
[01:26:50] | sphery: | well, the rest is pretty predictable |
[01:27:12] | kormoc: | Huh, fair 'nuff |
[01:27:28] | sphery: | apollo: exactly --enable-proc-opts = good, --cpu = bad |
[01:27:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, no 'enable-proc-opts' over here either... i blame cardoe |
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[01:28:08] | kormoc: | Yeah, he hasn't really updated the builds anytime recently |
[01:28:10] | sphery: | well, then again, it's compiling a --profile build |
[01:28:11] | kormoc: | I need to update mine |
[01:28:31] | sphery: | and /technically/ you shouldn't use --enable-proc-opts if you're doing a build for creating backtraces |
[01:28:53] | sphery: | --profile actually mean --compile-type=profile |
[01:29:00] | sphery: | instead of --compile-type=release |
[01:29:03] | Dagmar: | s/technically/realistically/ |
[01:29:32] | sphery: | I recommend doing --compile-type=release --enable-proc-opts and if you decide to create a backtrace some time, then you can recompile |
[01:29:50] | sphery: | you'll actually see a noticeable performance improvement (even over profile, which is fast compared to debug) |
[01:31:04] | kormoc: | wow, a full kernel release to work around one gcc bug... nice... |
[01:31:22] | sphery: | wow |
[01:31:32] | Dagmar: | It's less paperwork |
[01:31:39] | kormoc: | heh |
[01:31:50] | kormoc: | 2.6.30.3's changelog is awesomely short |
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[01:33:35] | wagnerrp: | i need to find up updated ebuild, or figure out how to write them to figure out what is wrong with my current version |
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[01:33:56] | wagnerrp: | since a couple weeks ago, its been failing on my 32-bit machines |
[01:34:29] | kormoc: | the current ~arch one is very broken |
[01:34:42] | kormoc: | I need to fix up mine for the lastest profile changes and I'll give you a url if you'd like |
[01:35:15] | wagnerrp: | ive been using one from back in november just fine until now |
[01:35:24] | wagnerrp: | thats the first problem ive had with it |
[01:35:33] | kormoc: | he changed the eclass base that they all use |
[01:35:42] | wagnerrp: | ah |
[01:35:43] | kormoc: | so it affected all of them |
[01:36:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and all my machines use a shared tree that updates nightly |
[01:37:35] | wagnerrp: | so does that mean the mythplugin ebuilds work again? |
[01:37:49] | kormoc: | in theory |
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[01:38:37] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually tried compiling them through portage in maybe 6 months |
[01:39:46] | wagnerrp: | he should really modify the eclass so that trunk builds checkout instead of export subversion |
[01:40:31] | kormoc: | yeah |
[01:40:53] | wagnerrp: | fixes builds, its not so much of a problem |
[01:41:02] | wagnerrp: | but trunk builds should be able to say what revision theyre from |
[01:41:36] | sphery: | he doesn't have a script that pulls the rev and sticks it in the version.sh script? |
[01:42:06] | wagnerrp: | at least not with the version im using |
[01:42:07] | sphery: | er, version.pro |
[01:42:12] | wagnerrp: | it may have changed recently |
[01:42:43] | sphery: | hmmm... I thought after MythBuntu guys gave him the command-line they use to do it (a simple sed, IIRC), he was going to put it in |
[01:42:54] | kormoc: | sphery, it's broken |
[01:42:59] | sphery: | ahhh |
[01:43:05] | kormoc: | it worked for awhile but broke and never fixed |
[01:43:41] | sphery: | just wondering, cause the --version things is not well used enough, so it would be nice if it worked on at least the big 3 distros |
[01:44:50] | sphery: | heh, yeah, looking back at the --version output apollo just posted, it's MythTV Version: exported\nMythTV Branch: \n |
[01:45:30] | kormoc: | sphery, question, is --enable-glx-procaddrarb good to always be set? |
[01:46:00] | sphery: | I think you want to talk to laga about that one |
[01:46:17] | ** kormoc peers at laga ** | |
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[01:46:31] | sphery: | IIRC, it was a workaround that allowed MythBuntu to compile such that it would be able to use ATI or nvidia GL |
[01:46:51] | sphery: | there were reports of GL-related issues, but no one confirmed whether they were caused by or related to that switch |
[01:46:52] | kormoc: | yeah, we're always setting it on Gentoo, and I wonder if we should only for ATI cards |
[01:47:06] | sphery: | I don't use it |
[01:47:12] | kormoc: | (Cause we can do that ;) |
[01:47:18] | sphery: | and, anymore, don't even know if recent ati needs it |
[01:47:40] | sphery: | really, if you compile with the drivers for the video card that will be used installed, you shouldn't need it at all |
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[01:48:12] | sphery: | it was a "one driver has support for finding if something is supported and the other doesn't, so make a fake version that's used if the drivers don't have it" kind of thing, I think |
[01:48:48] | kormoc: | ahh, I'm just gonna remove it from my build then |
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[01:50:35] | sphery: | from Mar 16, 2008: sure. so newer glx.h headers are already fine, older headers need to be fixed by the software vendor and package maintainers use --enable-glx-procaddrarb to make sure MythTV works on older and newer drivers |
[01:51:18] | kormoc: | ahh |
[01:52:27] | sphery: | and daniel said: but it's correct not to have glXGetProcAddressARB in newer glx.h headers.. it's just incorrect to have glXGetProcAddress in the headers for old drivers that don't support the function.. |
[01:52:36] | sphery: | so, it sounds like it was a workaround for broken drivers... |
[01:56:56] | wagnerrp: | why is the ebuild trying to grab something from 20145... |
[01:57:11] | wagnerrp: | part of the broken eclass thing? |
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[02:01:55] | wagnerrp: | ah, apparently it pulls a zip file now, rather than maintaining a subversion repository... so it was re-downloading all the files for the older ebuilds i had lying around |
[02:02:36] | wagnerrp: | ls |
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[02:03:37] | kormoc: | Yeah, and if it's not found, it'll export |
[02:08:50] | solexious|netbk: | |
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[02:09:24] | ** kormoc pokes his mac mini ** | |
[02:09:45] | kormoc: | and it was $750 for the 4 gigs of ram ;) |
[02:10:20] | solexious|netbk: | 4gigs? are you running it as a frontend? and if so do you need 4gigs? |
[02:10:32] | kormoc: | frontend and backend is the plan |
[02:10:48] | wagnerrp: | ...not like you really need 4 for a backend either |
[02:10:55] | ** solexious|netbk is poking the wiki for recommended hardware ** | |
[02:11:05] | kormoc: | I'd recommend a mini if you don't mind some oddness |
[02:11:51] | solexious|netbk: | |
[02:12:07] | kormoc: | in the same form factor? doubtful |
[02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | solexious|netbk: there is no 'recommended hardware', because your setup could fall under any number of configurations |
[02:12:35] | solexious|netbk: | + I would rather not give the cash to apple and Microsoft ;) |
[02:12:47] | wagnerrp: | how does a mini compare to say a Shuttle? |
[02:12:50] | ** kormoc wonders how MS falls under mac mini ** | |
[02:13:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, much smaller and quieter |
[02:13:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the mini is practically silent |
[02:13:10] | wagnerrp: | looks like its about half as tall.... |
[02:13:13] | solexious|netbk: | kormoc, they own alot of shares in apple |
[02:13:16] | wagnerrp: | i through those things were taller than that |
[02:13:53] | iamlindoro: | solexious|netbk, check your source, MS liquidated its Apple stock |
[02:14:28] | solexious|netbk: | iamlindoro, you have to spoil one of my good reasons :p |
[02:14:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's about .5" larger then a cdrom (in length and width) and only a inch and some tall, it's a lot less then half a shuttle |
[02:14:47] | solexious|netbk: | well, im planning to mount the front end onto the back of my tv, so as long as it isnt bigger than a 32" screen im happy |
[02:15:08] | iamlindoro: | Mini is 2 inches tall last I checked |
[02:15:33] | kormoc: | hrm |
[02:16:01] | kormoc: | so it is |
[02:16:18] | iamlindoro: | which is much shorter than any shuttle I've seen |
[02:16:23] | wagnerrp: | 2x6.5x6.5 it seems |
[02:16:42] | solexious|netbk: | and wagnerrp, I had a feeling that would be the answer to recommended hardware ;) |
[02:17:12] | kormoc: | Shuttles seem to be around 12x8x7.5 |
[02:17:47] | wagnerrp: | theyve got a 10x7x3, but thats an atom |
[02:17:57] | wagnerrp: | not even an ion |
[02:18:24] | iamlindoro: | Asrock 330 is 3 inches tall IIRC |
[02:18:34] | iamlindoro: | so closish to the mini but still bigger |
[02:20:00] | kormoc: | solexious|netbk, so yes, in short, it's going to be hard to match the mini for the same price point |
[02:20:24] | solexious|netbk: | does the mini have a tv capture card? |
[02:20:30] | wagnerrp: | it has USB |
[02:20:33] | wagnerrp: | so no |
[02:20:49] | kormoc: | but usb capture cards will work (like the HDPVR) |
[02:21:29] | solexious|netbk: | I'm looking for a freeview capture card, and in the future a freesat capture card |
[02:21:33] | kormoc: | usb disk drive, hdpvr, firewire channel changing... |
[02:22:03] | wagnerrp: | although IMO, you miss the whole point of a small, sleek machine if you connect a bunch of extra boxes to it over USB |
[02:22:05] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: i really like the new Graphite changes – the font looks good to |
[02:22:11] | elmojo: | thanks |
[02:22:15] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, np, thanks |
[02:22:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh, it's three boxes about the same size, and can get hidden |
[02:22:31] | iamlindoro: | They're mostly minor but primarily usability stuff |
[02:22:50] | wagnerrp: | so where is the intake on that thing? |
[02:22:57] | wagnerrp: | i see an exhaust, but no inlet |
[02:23:18] | solexious|netbk: | im using the raid5 on one of my servers for storage, whats "best" for mounting it on my main myth box? samba, nfs, doesnt matter? |
[02:23:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, under it |
[02:23:32] | iamlindoro: | hopefully the buttonlist autosize thing will make it in before .22... otherwise I'll have to seriously rethink the menus |
[02:23:34] | kormoc: | solexious|netbk, nfs/doesn't matter |
[02:23:45] | solexious|netbk: | kormoc, thanks |
[02:24:00] | wagnerrp: | backends (for now) need file system access to record |
[02:24:04] | sphery: | I haven't tried this doesn't matter network file system... Will have to check it out |
[02:24:08] | wagnerrp: | but frontends need nothing for recordings |
[02:24:17] | wagnerrp: | and in trunk, need nothing for mythvideo either |
[02:24:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Haven't tried TDM? Where have you been? |
[02:24:35] | kormoc: | sphery, when you don't care, doesn't matter is the selection for ya! |
[02:24:44] | sphery: | heh |
[02:24:54] | sphery: | well, with slogans like that, who could resist |
[02:27:46] | solexious|netbk: | wagnerrp, how come they need access, that could be a pain |
[02:28:04] | wagnerrp: | they need to record to the file system |
[02:28:17] | wagnerrp: | current limitation of myth protocol |
[02:28:25] | wagnerrp: | file transfers are pull only, no pushing |
[02:29:34] | solexious|netbk: | ok, I allways thought that if you mount a remote smb to a local folder it was all the same to what was accessing it |
[02:30:52] | wagnerrp: | mounting a samba share gives you file system access |
[02:31:00] | wagnerrp: | what are you asking specifically? |
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[02:34:20] | solexious|netbk: | sorry, from what you said i thought using storage over the network would not work |
[02:34:49] | wagnerrp: | backends must have file system access |
[02:35:08] | wagnerrp: | frontends can pull the files over mythprotocol from the backend, and do not need file system access |
[02:35:56] | wagnerrp: | currently, that is only available for recordings |
[02:36:12] | wagnerrp: | any files you have in use by various plugins need file system access |
[02:37:21] | solexious|netbk: | and does mounting a network share give or not give file system access? |
[02:38:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, that counts as file system access |
[02:39:43] | solexious|netbk: | Thanks :) I understand now |
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[02:53:11] | kormoc: | enable-symbol-visibility is still 'broken' right? |
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[02:59:47] | gbee: | kormoc: works just fine here? |
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[03:00:22] | kormoc: | Is there any benefit in using it? |
[03:01:15] | solexious|netbk: | any one know how fast usb sticks die? thinking of having the os of my myth backend/frontend running on it to keep the noise down |
[03:02:31] | mchou: | usb sticks are great |
[03:03:01] | mchou: | just make sure your /tmp and /var/log etc is using tmpfs |
[03:03:36] | mchou: | then you wont have to worry at all about "limited" life |
[03:05:06] | gbee: | kormoc: that I can't say, it should use less memory but memory is cheap and I'm really not sure just how much less we're really talking, it's not a dramatic amount |
[03:05:33] | gbee: | maybe you can do a comparison |
[03:05:39] | solexious|netbk: | mchou, thanks |
[03:05:56] | kormoc: | gbee, will try! thanks :) |
[03:06:20] | gbee: | binaries should be a little smaller |
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[03:09:40] | levander: | I'm looking for QAM tuners for my myth box. People are complaining the Hauppage HVR 1250 doesn't have a hardware encoder. But, I don't need one if I just use it for digital television do I? |
[03:10:12] | iamlindoro: | levander, that's correct |
[03:10:38] | iamlindoro: | levander, a couple of us have HVR-1250s (self included), they work nicely for digital-only needs |
[03:10:47] | levander: | iamlindoro: You ain't seen a page with recommendations have you? Hate doing all this work myself. I know it's been done 1,000 times before. |
[03:11:10] | levander: | What I want is just a dual-QAM card with nothing else on it. But, it doesn't seem to exist. |
[03:11:44] | iamlindoro: | HDHomeRun is dual and network attached, the HVR-2250 is dual digital and dual analog, with the digital side having experimental support right now |
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[03:12:58] | levander: | Just looked. Two 1250's is apparently less than one 2250, and with the 2250 being only experimentally supported.. |
[03:13:22] | iamlindoro: | if two cards are eligible, you should say you want a dual QAM card :) |
[03:13:28] | iamlindoro: | two 1250s would be fine |
[03:14:06] | levander: | HDHR is even more than a 2250 apparently. And, I'd rather hvae something that fits inside the box (not a bunch of devices around). So, it looks like the closest thing to what I want is 2 1250's. |
[03:14:17] | levander: | iamlindoro: Thanks. |
[03:14:21] | iamlindoro: | np |
[03:16:03] | wagnerrp: | levander: the general idea for the HDHR is that it is network attached, so you can put it wherever it makes the most sense in your house |
[03:16:10] | wagnerrp: | such as in the attic, right next to your antenna |
[03:16:29] | levander: | Ah, I see. Interesting. |
[03:16:44] | levander: | But, the most sense for me is right next to the TV. Since, I have cable. |
[03:16:45] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to put your whole machine up there |
[03:16:54] | wagnerrp: | or run a long signal line down to your computer |
[03:17:12] | levander: | If you've got an antenna, I could see that being really useful. |
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[04:20:29] | ozatomic: | I've setup my mythtv backend with a analog tv card and it finds it all good. But how can i scan channels for it |
[04:20:38] | ozatomic: | when scanning cahnnels it seems to be scanning dvb cahnnels and not analog |
[04:21:48] | crankharder: | any reason why mfe insists on showing up behind my gnome desktop panels? |
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[04:22:54] | Shadow_X: | hello everybody |
[04:23:46] | GreyFoxx: | crankharder: the FE has no concept of gnome. It just says "Hey I want a window of X/y dimensions in a/b location on the screen" and leaves it up to the WM to kept the windows in proper order |
[04:24:39] | crankharder: | k, thanks |
[04:24:52] | ** GreyFoxx realizes just how late it is and goes to bed ** | |
[04:25:32] | Shadow_X: | btw J-e-f-f-A i tried the mac .21-fixes fe and it works perfectly fine |
[04:26:57] | sphery: | ozatomic: are you in North America? If so, you don't scan. |
[04:27:10] | sphery: | ozatomic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
[04:29:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: join message says australia |
[04:30:14] | sphery: | heh, didn't think to look there |
[04:30:19] | ozatomic: | :) |
[04:30:25] | ozatomic: | yeah australia |
[04:30:44] | sphery: | don't know whether you should scan or use your listings source in .au |
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[04:36:24] | wagnerrp: | well i had been getting an ASM error in the h264 decoder |
[04:36:33] | wagnerrp: | i fixed that, only to get an even more confusing error |
[04:36:52] | wagnerrp: | make: *** [sub-libs-make_default-ordered] Error 2 |
[04:36:58] | wagnerrp: | make failed backing out of the directories |
[04:37:08] | wagnerrp: | it wasnt a compiler error, its an actually make error |
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[04:38:41] | Shadow_M: | hmm so what do you do then |
[04:38:59] | wagnerrp: | i continue not using those two machines |
[04:39:18] | wagnerrp: | actually... i should try making them manually, rather than through portage |
[04:42:55] | Shadow_M: | what is portage |
[04:43:01] | iamlindoro: | gentoo packaging |
[04:43:07] | Shadow_M: | ah ok |
[04:43:13] | Shadow_M: | and now i know |
[04:43:59] | wagnerrp: | and knowing is half the battle |
[04:44:09] | Shadow_M: | gi joe |
[04:44:14] | Shadow_M: | save the day |
[04:45:00] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, what plugins do you use? And are you using -trunk? |
[04:45:58] | wagnerrp: | video is the only one im actually using |
[04:46:10] | wagnerrp: | but i have music, movies, news, weather, browser installed |
[04:46:33] | wagnerrp: | all built manually, havent managed to get compiling them through portage working |
[04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | (havent really tried either) |
[04:47:11] | kormoc: | I just updated my overlay, video, music, and weather are the only plugins working right now, but the rest is happy HEAD |
[04:47:18] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried maybe 6 months ago, the plugins eclass didnt understand the '0.22_alpha<number' formatting |
[04:48:21] | sphery: | kormoc: not getting errors above that? |
[04:48:25] | sphery: | er, wagnerrp ^^^ |
[04:48:48] | sphery: | like maybe errors that are followed by non-errors because you have make -j <number greater than 1> |
[04:48:53] | wagnerrp: | oh... nevermind |
[04:49:03] | wagnerrp: | there was that same h264 ASM error |
[04:49:23] | wagnerrp: | but it was a half dozen commands up, some '-j2' funkiness or something |
[04:49:40] | wagnerrp: | window had scrolled enough i didnt see the error |
[04:50:31] | wagnerrp: | anyway, there was some mention of similar issues in the ffmpeg lists a while back |
[04:51:05] | wagnerrp: | saying '-fPIC -DPIC' should fix it |
[04:51:11] | wagnerrp: | but it hasnt seemed to |
[04:52:37] | wagnerrp: | probably because my changes to the ebuild dont seem to have worked and applied those.... |
[04:54:53] | kormoc: | if you're changing it above the very end of the configure section, the strip-flags will remove them |
[04:55:06] | kormoc: | add them after that command |
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[05:06:26] | wagnerrp: | stupid woot tracker |
[05:06:52] | wagnerrp: | right as a game locks up, and takes my desktop with it, i get a message on my phone |
[05:07:25] | wagnerrp: | phillips 52" 1080p LCD, $1 |
[05:07:28] | Shadow_M: | what game |
[05:07:48] | Shadow_M: | wait how does woot work |
[05:07:52] | wagnerrp: | so i curse the game for crashing my desktop at such an inopportune moment |
[05:07:58] | wagnerrp: | run downstairs to a functional computer |
[05:08:07] | wagnerrp: | get on woot, and its like $1200 |
[05:08:37] | wagnerrp: | 1 item/day |
[05:08:42] | wagnerrp: | it sells until it has sold out |
[05:09:24] | kormoc: | hehe |
[05:11:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont even know where i would put a 52" tv |
[05:12:01] | kormoc: | for $1, I'd find places... |
[05:12:07] | wagnerrp: | it would piss my dad off |
[05:12:22] | wagnerrp: | if we had a 52" tv, we would use said 52" tv |
[05:12:50] | wagnerrp: | which means our current entertainment center (a big huge wooden cabinet) was getting replaced |
[05:13:16] | wagnerrp: | and oh! now we have to get new furniture to match the new entertainment center, or whatever we got to hold the other components |
[05:13:33] | ** kormoc wonders how old wagnerrp is ** | |
[05:13:37] | wagnerrp: | suddenly this giant $1 + s/h TV is costing us five grand |
[05:13:50] | wagnerrp: | 23 |
[05:14:02] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
[05:14:23] | kormoc: | would have figured you'd have your own area, but whatever :) |
[05:14:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what they keep saying |
[05:14:48] | wagnerrp: | finish up your masters, get a job, move out.... |
[05:15:55] | Shadow_M: | :) |
[05:16:39] | Shadow_M: | so the price goes up as more and more people buy it |
[05:16:49] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
[05:17:01] | Shadow_M: | on woot |
[05:17:20] | wagnerrp: | no, it was always $1200... the tracker screwed up |
[05:17:37] | Shadow_M: | ah ok i was gonna say |
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[05:35:30] | wagnerrp: | well moving the config options later didnt change anything |
[05:35:36] | wagnerrp: | im trying a manual compile |
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[06:20:01] | ** xris has finally joined the world of HD. ** | |
[06:20:06] | xris: | gbee: gimme some themes! ;) |
[06:20:13] | kormoc: | terra and graphite! |
[06:20:19] | xris: | links? |
[06:20:43] | xris: | even normal mythtv looks pretty good at 1920x1080 |
[06:20:51] | wagnerrp: | svn, the_mailing_list |
[06:21:50] | kormoc: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz |
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[06:22:19] | wagnerrp: | terra comes with trunk |
[06:24:51] | xris: | stupid tarball without a parent dir. |
[06:25:58] | xris: | so it does. :) |
[06:26:42] | xris: | not that I can do much with myth without audio.. the PC input needs a standard headphone jack connector rather than the more traditional rca-style jacks. |
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[06:29:35] | kormoc: | Radioshack sells them (and is right next to your bus stop) |
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[08:14:31] | uncategorized: | when someone is connected via mythweb, does the mythbackend see itself as idle? |
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[09:13:27] | juski: | ahh monday morning. what a load |
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[09:49:07] | laga: | juski: yep :P |
[09:50:26] | Steel__: | Good Morning to all |
[09:51:33] | juski: | oo. boss is off this week |
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[10:59:53] | AndyCap: | heh, the EIT data is full of fail. Putting The Family Guy in the Kids category? |
[11:01:18] | juski: | LOL |
[11:01:32] | juski: | sack the EIT monkeys |
[11:01:43] | AndyCap: | Heh, wish I could |
[11:01:50] | juski: | it's animated, therefore only for kids, right? |
[11:02:05] | juski: | christ, by that token, South Park is a kids' show too |
[11:02:18] | AndyCap: | lemme check. :) |
[11:02:35] | juski: | annoys me when The Simpsons gets awards for 'best kids show'. FFS |
[11:02:39] | AndyCap: | and urotsukidoji is probably for kids too |
[11:02:55] | juski: | urowho now? |
[11:03:26] | AndyCap: | oh yeah: South Park is also in the kids category. WTF? |
[11:03:32] | juski: | EIT data categories are pissed |
[11:03:44] | juski: | they might aswell just have ONE. TV SHOW |
[11:04:06] | AndyCap: | I'm sure they'd manage to cock that one up too |
[11:04:40] | juski: | some of them are crazy. Show/gameshow .. erm..which one is it? |
[11:05:18] | juski: | I turn off category colouring in the EPG. There's too many to know the colours by heart anyway |
[11:05:27] | jduggan: | lol |
[11:05:53] | gbee: | I still find the colouring of films useful, but that's about it |
[11:06:47] | juski: | I prefer canned searches for that |
[11:07:34] | AndyCap: | btw. does myth default to original airdate = 2000 if there isn't one set or did they screw that up too? |
[11:08:04] | juski: | original airdate winds up as the epoch if not set |
[11:08:07] | juski: | IIRC |
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[11:08:16] | juski: | so not 2000 :) |
[11:08:17] | AndyCap: | i.e. 1970? |
[11:08:22] | AndyCap: | heh. ok |
[11:08:36] | AndyCap: | and why 2000? who thought this up. |
[11:08:54] | juski: | sounds like the guessy monkey operator |
[11:09:01] | AndyCap: | anyhow, the PVR has series recording so that data must be hiding in there somewhere |
[11:09:03] | juski: | dunno, put 2000. nobody'll notice |
[11:09:24] | AndyCap: | or maybe they just assumed that seried son't move. |
[11:09:26] | juski: | how the hell should I know what category it is? Oh,it's a cartoon. KID show then |
[11:09:27] | AndyCap: | don't.. |
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[11:09:59] | AndyCap: | juski: which makes it a good thing nobody airs hentai here. |
[11:10:25] | juski: | heh |
[11:10:37] | juski: | channel 4 used to over here |
[11:10:42] | jduggan: | does ct100 connect to lnb with regular f-plug |
[11:10:43] | jduggan: | ? |
[11:10:55] | juski: | jduggan: yup |
[11:11:05] | jduggan: | kkk, just checking |
[11:11:12] | jduggan: | :) |
[11:11:17] | AndyCap: | jduggan: google couldn't answer it? :P |
[11:11:47] | jduggan: | AndyCap: google doesnt always get the right answer, lots of guff out there... i know who the smart guys here are that i'd trust |
[11:11:48] | juski: | fit waterproof boot, strip cable, fit connector. Screw connector in place. Push boot over connector. Wrap it all up with self-amalgamating tape |
[11:11:50] | jduggan: | :P |
[11:11:55] | jduggan: | and im stickign to that story |
[11:12:13] | AndyCap: | jduggan: hehe, just that I wouldn't wait one day to find out. :P |
[11:12:31] | jduggan: | i was pretty sure it was f-plug |
[11:12:50] | juski: | AndyCap: too many blog posts with 'facts' out there for google to find :P |
[11:12:50] | jduggan: | |
[11:12:54] | jduggan: | frmo ebay |
[11:13:19] | juski: | reminds me I still need to fix the clutch on my chainsaw |
[11:13:21] | AndyCap: | but that's just one end of the connector right? you can't stick anything else into the lnb |
[11:13:34] | AndyCap: | iirc you get both crimp and screw f-connectors |
[11:13:46] | jduggan: | AndyCap: twist on connectors i have |
[11:13:47] | juski: | unused LNB sockets must also be waterproofed |
[11:13:48] | AndyCap: | and that's the end you're really asking about? |
[11:14:15] | jduggan: | juski: i'll bear that in mind |
[11:14:28] | jduggan: | i'll onlyl be using one for now |
[11:14:37] | juski: | unless all the sockets are underneath some kind of weatherproof cover... |
[11:14:46] | juski: | they'll prolly come capped anyway |
[11:14:54] | AndyCap: | on a related note. are F-connectors any better than IEC connector? |
[11:15:09] | juski: | AndyCap: better retention IMHO |
[11:15:26] | juski: | those 'Belling Lee'coax connectors are shite |
[11:15:29] | AndyCap: | but for signal loss? |
[11:15:55] | juski: | purely academic if the socket/plug is as slack as a prozzer's chuff |
[11:16:04] | jduggan: | lol |
[11:16:07] | AndyCap: | :P |
[11:16:31] | juski: | assuming a good fit, there's nothing between them in terms of spec really |
[11:16:34] | AndyCap: | since I'll have to redo the cabling anyway with the arrival of DVB-C |
[11:16:42] | AndyCap: | and probably find an amp |
[11:16:46] | juski: | I'd use F connectors FWIW |
[11:18:17] | juski: | manufacturers should phase out those UK UHF connectors IMHO |
[11:18:33] | AndyCap: | what are they? two prong? :P |
[11:18:37] | juski: | nah |
[11:19:03] | juski: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug |
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[11:19:49] | AndyCap: | ah, yes, that's what I meant by IEC, I think |
[11:19:49] | juski: | heh apparently it's not matched to the impedance of the cable |
[11:20:42] | juski: | funny,I just assumed it was |
[11:21:00] | juski: | since every catalogue I've ever seen em in says 75R |
[11:21:13] | AndyCap: | impedance, schmipedance |
[11:21:23] | juski: | not that wiki is necessarily right of course. |
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[11:21:31] | jduggan: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-QUAD-LNB-SKY- . . . 293:1|294:50 |
[11:21:42] | jduggan: | thats the dish/lnb ive just ordered |
[11:21:47] | jduggan: | doesnt say a brand, hope its not too shite |
[11:22:25] | juski: | I'll be getting a 60cm dish when I buy one |
[11:23:28] | jduggan: | well i intended originally on 60cm |
[11:23:42] | jduggan: | but this is the first time venturing into dvb-s |
[11:23:49] | jduggan: | so 20quid isnt too much to spend |
[11:24:22] | jduggan: | if i have issues with weather etc and i find i'll continue using it, i'll probably get a bigger disk |
[11:24:25] | jduggan: | dish* |
[11:24:38] | juski: | I'm not looking fwd to aligning a dish for dvb-s |
[11:24:55] | juski: | with analogue it was a piece of cacke |
[11:25:25] | juski: | well, kinda. dragging a telly into the garden was a piece of cake |
[11:25:38] | AndyCap: | juski: meh, it's not hard at all |
[11:25:56] | juski: | laptop, ssh'd into the backend running femon.. at the top of a ladder? meh |
[11:25:59] | AndyCap: | laptop with szap? |
[11:26:05] | gbee: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LINUX-FORMAT-111-Nov-08 . . . UK_Magazines |
[11:26:08] | AndyCap: | or femon, yeah |
[11:27:03] | juski: | oh that utterly made up LF article. I remember that |
[11:27:04] | gbee: | juski: it's still fiddly, but invest in a sat finder |
[11:27:22] | jduggan: | juski: heh, i'll be on my own doing this.. it'll be on a ladder but not high up.. im hoping i can line it up in the same direction as my neighbors and it'll work??? :\, i'll probably borrow someone's sky box though, to see signal strength etc |
[11:27:27] | gbee: | audible tone + meter |
[11:27:28] | jduggan: | otherwise i'll have to pay for a finder heh |
[11:28:00] | juski: | if I put the dish where the old one was I could have the laptop inside & use a f'ing big font |
[11:28:08] | gbee: | jduggan: if it's out by even half a cm you'll probably know about it |
[11:28:14] | juski: | it's right next to an upstairs window :) |
[11:28:20] | AndyCap: | fiddly? wth, and a 43cm dish you barely have to point it upwards. |
[11:28:35] | jduggan: | i had to re-adjust my mothers dish... it was in an awful location, if her neighbour opened the upstairs window it was in the line of sight and she lost signal |
[11:28:40] | juski: | aiming for analogue was tricky but at least you could see a flash onscreen when it hit the beam |
[11:28:52] | jduggan: | i didnt use any tools, just fiddled with it until i was happy with the sky signal readings |
[11:29:04] | gbee: | sat finder's going on ebay for £4, free postage – or pick one up at Maplin for £10 |
[11:29:05] | juski: | jduggan: yeah but you have to hit the beam first |
[11:29:12] | jduggan: | juski: true |
[11:29:50] | gbee: | jduggan: up and down the ladder, or you had someone to relay the values? |
[11:30:12] | jduggan: | |
[11:30:23] | jduggan: | gbee: relay the values |
[11:30:35] | gbee: | well £10 when I bought mine, I've no idea what current prices are |
[11:31:07] | jduggan: | i think it helped i didnt adjust it on the bracket, i unscrewed teh bracket itself from wall and raised it about a meter, directly above |
[11:31:18] | jduggan: | so it didnt need to much |
[11:31:29] | jduggan: | too* |
[11:31:34] | AndyCap: | of course it does help knowing the general compass heading and having the elevation correct. |
[11:31:36] | gbee: | AndyCap: if you just want a signal sure, a great signal isn't easy to get by shear luck though |
[11:32:22] | AndyCap: | not with the cheapo satfinder either. :P |
[11:34:40] | gbee: | cheapo satfinder is a helluva lot easier than doing it blind, I found the signal would drop 10db if I was a couple mm out in any direction |
[11:35:07] | jduggan: | crazy |
[11:35:09] | AndyCap: | yeah, doing it blind I wouldn't recommend. :P |
[11:35:38] | jduggan: | maybe i could find someone who has a sat finder |
[11:35:38] | jduggan: | :P |
[11:35:40] | gbee: | anyway, that's my advice, take it or leave it :) |
[11:36:41] | juski: | oh bollocks, my ffmpeg dvb radio export script is still way too verbose & is inflating the log like no tomorrow |
[11:37:24] | gbee: | oh and just be aware that a good signal on one frequency doesn't necessarily mean it's good on all others, better to get the highest signal possible to improve the chances of all round good reception |
[11:37:36] | WildCaterpillar: | woohoo, i just finished a nice preshutdown script....if any file is being downloaded from mythweb or if apache served any page in the last 5 min, then we won't shutdown |
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[11:38:28] | gbee: | and avoid Satelco cards, since they generate interference on the exact frequency used by BBC HD |
[11:38:42] | AndyCap: | yeah, should check all teh transponders you want to use |
[11:38:59] | AndyCap: | dang multi satellite constellations. :P |
[11:39:20] | jduggan: | i'll probably test bbc HD, just for the wow factor.. but my frontend isnt HD capable |
[11:39:36] | jduggan: | so HD isnt an issue |
[11:40:04] | jduggan: | and until there's more worth watching on HD, available i wont bother |
[11:40:22] | jduggan: | +on freesat |
[11:40:43] | juski: | ahh I just needed -v 0 |
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[12:13:21] | juski: | jduggan: HD on freeview isn't gonna be worth bothering with IMHO, so freesat it is :) |
[12:13:48] | juski: | not that there'll be any dvb-t2 tuner cards on the market when it launches |
[12:15:23] | gbee: | stoth: dvb-t2 cards on the horizon? |
[12:18:47] | gbee: | jduggan: looks like Maplin have bumped the price for the sat finder to £14.99 |
[12:19:17] | gbee: | no great surprise, all sat related kit has gone up in price due to demand for Freesat |
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[13:23:11] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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[13:33:26] | anykey_: | those satelco cards are shitty anyways, I exchanged mine with a Technisat HD2, now I can get a clear picture on all channels... unfortunately the driver is now crap |
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[13:40:16] | AndyCap: | anykey_: which driver? |
[13:43:28] | gbee: | I'd sell my Satelco on ebay but I'd feel bad about selling something so crap to some poor unsuspecting sod |
[13:43:58] | anykey_: | AndyCap: mantis |
[13:44:01] | AndyCap: | gbee: you could advertise it as crap. I'm sure somebody would buy it still |
[13:44:08] | AndyCap: | anykey_: haha. me too. :( |
[13:44:40] | anykey_: | gbee: the same satelco card for dvb-c has problems with frequencies around 600mhz, they don't think its a problem though. It even happens on windows. |
[13:44:55] | AndyCap: | O_o |
[13:45:18] | anykey_: | gbee: I don't know how they managed to do that: the KNC1 TV station card (the satelco is a clone) works perfectly |
[13:46:51] | ddettman: | does anyone know a good site that describes tv interference patterns? My new myth box has something slightly wrong with the picture, and I would like to do better than "wavey lines" to describe the issue. |
[13:47:42] | juski: | lol |
[13:48:40] | juski: | bet your life it's a ground loop |
[13:49:06] | juski: | your cable feed and/or PC is improperly grounded |
[13:49:08] | AndyCap: | ddettman: video camera? |
[13:50:38] | AndyCap: | oooh. http://www.kyes.com/antenna/interference/tvibook.html |
[13:50:53] | AndyCap: | Do you hear static, or a constant buzzing sound like bacon frying? |
[13:50:56] | AndyCap: | baconz! |
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[13:53:10] | sid3windr: | anykey_: aha! |
[13:53:17] | sid3windr: | I have a dvb-c card which can't tune a specific freq |
[13:53:20] | sid3windr: | (satelco) |
[13:53:36] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: you're not supposed to be watching that channel |
[13:54:05] | sid3windr: | it's one of the few that's not crypted here :[ |
[13:54:14] | sid3windr: | but I can't tune the transponder |
[13:54:26] | ddettman: | thanks for the suggestions. good starting points, I think ground loop is a likely suspect. The TV and PC are on different AC circuits. |
[13:54:27] | sid3windr: | on that subject, my pvr500/150's also cannot see a specific frequency on linux |
[13:54:30] | sid3windr: | while they can do on windows |
[13:54:41] | sid3windr: | I just get very bad signal quality on linux or even no image at all |
[13:54:43] | sid3windr: | 2 channels :[ |
[13:55:33] | juski: | ddettman: bingo |
[13:59:31] | anykey_: | sid3windr: can't help you, the other card works just fine |
[13:59:40] | anykey_: | juski: if it's a ground loop, why would another card work? |
[14:00:23] | AndyCap: | ddettman has the ground loop, anykey_ has the dud card. |
[14:05:48] | gbee: | heh the "normal TV reception" image in that interference guide is awful |
[14:06:37] | gbee: | probably has a lot to do with it being a gif, but even then the colour range is poor |
[14:07:43] | juski: | NTSC source :P |
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[14:08:16] | gbee: | would someone please tell Yeechang that we already have two different skip bindings |
[14:08:43] | ** juski sends the boys with baseball bats ** | |
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[14:54:03] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah, can't believe he didn't let it go after Paul's e-mail. |
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[14:55:38] | gbee: | Paul's email? |
[14:56:31] | gbee: | see emails from you, Dibblah and kormoc, nothing from Paul? |
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[14:56:50] | sphery: | Er, Dibblah's... Sorry. Gotta read those From lines better. :) |
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[14:59:09] | sphery: | gbee: BTW, I was looking at a script I wrote a while back that could be used to put Deleted/LiveTV recording info in the backend status page's Miscellaneous Status Info section, and it had info on the Watched (but not Deleted/LiveTV) recordings. Think that would be useful on the backend status page/frontend status box? |
[14:59:52] | sphery: | It would basically say, "You've watched <this much space> of recordings that you haven't yet marked to allow auto-expire." |
[15:00:14] | sphery: | don't know whether that would be annoying for people who archive stuff |
[15:00:18] | clever: | i have it set to re-record anything that expires |
[15:00:31] | clever: | so it can reclaim space, but return the episode to me later on |
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[15:01:11] | clever: | dont like it when it deletes stuff i wanted to watch and doesnt return them later |
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[15:02:14] | gbee: | sphery: maybe, it's not something I would use but people like stats generally |
[15:03:09] | clever: | i recently fried my mythconverg partition, so ive got ~78gig of recordings shoved into a /broken/ directory, so its alot easyer to see how many gig i have left to watch |
[15:03:26] | sphery: | gbee: cool... I may add it when fixing up the frontend status box. |
[15:03:28] | gbee: | generally I delete stuff as soon as I've watched it, except what I plan to archive or just save to re-watch at a later date/someone else to watch |
[15:03:35] | clever: | pvmove went nuts and didnt do things write, so sector 0 of 1 partitions got fried |
[15:03:43] | clever: | 2 partitions* |
[15:03:46] | sphery: | Yeah, I always watch and delete (I don't archive). |
[15:04:18] | gbee: | but I leave auto-expire on all the same most of the time, because I'd sooner delete something I've watched than miss out on a new recording |
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[15:13:55] | sphery: | heh, YL somehow read: "http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 390235" and decided that the guy wants to keep the Up/Down keys doing 10minute jumps??? |
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[15:18:28] | sphery: | ah, he says the guy wants to keep pgup/pgdown... potentially |
[15:18:39] | sphery: | but I think that guy--like YL--just forgot about seek (left/right) |
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[15:22:25] | sphery: | Anyone know the HVR-4000? Its analog support isn't from an analog frame grabber, is it? |
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[15:25:44] | elmojo: | clever: thanks for reminding me to add a cron job to backup mythconverg to another drive |
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[15:26:18] | clever: | elmojo: i used a month old backup that was made durring a schema update |
[15:26:25] | elmojo: | sphery: the mythconverg_*.pl scripts rock! |
[15:26:26] | clever: | which turned up in the recording drive |
[15:26:43] | elmojo: | clever: good to hear |
[15:26:53] | clever: | but that left 78gig of recordings missing |
[15:27:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Looks like |
[15:27:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4000 |
[15:27:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: No encoder mentioned in the components |
[15:27:22] | ** gbee likes exact seeks ** | |
[15:27:36] | sphery: | elmojo: glad they're working for you... |
[15:27:54] | sphery: | elmojo: if I make the time, there should be some nice improvements to the channel fixing (xmltvid and more) stuff |
[15:28:08] | gbee: | might as well increase skip to 1 minute, jump to 10 minutes and get what he wants with a single press |
[15:28:41] | sphery: | gbee: yeah that works, too |
[15:29:01] | sphery: | I just assumed he might have had seek's set to some smaller value |
[15:29:16] | sphery: | but this way, he can figure out that if he only knew of the one, he'd get exactly what he wants by doing that |
[15:29:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ok... |
[15:29:37] | sphery: | was hoping we could just send the analog channel scanning guy on -dev list to -users |
[15:30:01] | elmojo: | sphery: that would be great especially for people like me who have to manually set xmltvids manually for QAM channels |
[15:30:15] | sphery: | after all, there's barely room for another thread on -dev, what with all the brokenned (nay, major design flaw) of the channel scanner/mythfilldatabase/... ;) |
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[15:30:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Trying to scan analog w/ that hardware is the most monumental waste of a card I've ever seen |
[15:30:23] | sphery: | brokenness |
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[15:30:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, IMHO, using the analog in that card is a monumental waste (as is using any frame grabber :) |
[15:31:05] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
[15:31:26] | sphery: | elmojo: yeah, that's the idea--make it easy to do a Delete all video sources for everyone so people will just do it right |
[15:31:48] | sphery: | instead of trying to save themselves a few minutes and costing hours of extra effort |
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[15:32:44] | sphery: | wow... reading the Why MythTV didn't handle the UK Freeview lineup change thread is a challenge--what with the OP's completely broken MUA |
[15:33:29] | laga: | and their completely broken attitude |
[15:33:30] | sphery: | Guess a certain fruity mail program has no concept of References/In-Reply-To |
[15:33:36] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that too |
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[15:34:20] | sphery: | how can /anyone/ make a mail program today that sends messages without References/In-Reply-To headers |
[15:40:50] | sphery: | mythfilldatabase to "sync up the database"???? |
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[15:42:03] | sphery: | we should change the name of mythfilldatabase to mythgetxmltvorsdlistingsandnothingelse |
[15:43:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Yes |
[15:43:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I am sick of having that argument with every single person |
[15:44:13] | sphery: | gbee: seems you're not supposed to fix any more bugs/take ownership of any more tickets... score! |
[15:44:14] | gbee: | mythfetchlistings |
[15:44:35] | sphery: | yeah, saying "database" in there makes people think it does all sorts of magical stuff |
[15:44:50] | laga: | well, it used to |
[15:44:58] | sphery: | true, but hasn't for a /long/ time |
[15:45:04] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, I'm taking my forced retirement gracefully with a generous pension, thinking of taking up golf |
[15:45:04] | sphery: | and, really, all it did was delete old garbage |
[15:45:12] | sphery: | it never did anything magical |
[15:45:30] | sphery: | gbee: nice... except for the golf part :) |
[15:46:33] | sphery: | funny part is he didn't realize that stuarta and gbee are different people--I mean, stuarta wears glasses and gbee doesn't, so they /couldn't/ be the same person |
[15:46:53] | sphery: | (that was a Superman reference--I really don't know who wears glasses) |
[15:47:39] | sphery: | gbee: However, being compared to Ulrich Drepper is quite the compliment of your programming skills. |
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[15:51:13] | gbee: | I let that pass, but it was unfair to Ulrich ;) |
[15:52:35] | gbee: | fwiw I wear contacts, stuarta doesn't wear glasses, or hasn't the times I met him |
[15:52:45] | sphery: | heh... You're too modest. I'd say that if you made 2 bins of programmers, you and he would be in a different one than I. |
[15:52:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Changing the name has the added benefit of breaking all the cronjobs of the people who should be letting the listings source choose the next run time :) |
[15:53:25] | ** iamlindoro casually wonders if it might also be an opportune time to relabel "Video Sources" "Listing Sources" ** | |
[15:53:28] | sphery: | gbee: that would make for a good modern Superman... Clark Kent wears contacts, but Superman doesn't, so obviously, they're different people.. :) |
[15:53:41] | iamlindoro: | or "Television Lineups" |
[15:53:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: right :) |
[15:53:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro: aye, and invalidating all the hundreds of outdated howtos and archived mailing list posts |
[15:54:13] | sphery: | and breaking the command-lines that people are using |
[15:54:37] | sphery: | and--my favorite--the "smartfill" script |
[15:54:58] | sphery: | that upsets me--if for no other reason--because it implies that mythfilldatabase's defaults are not smart\ |
[15:55:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro: Lineups is closer IMHO, I always struggled with "Listings Sources" it's better than Video Sources but still inaccurate |
[15:55:27] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, I agree |
[15:55:31] | sphery: | I /still/ think smartfill should be deleted/removed from SVN and--if in fact the mfdb defaults are wrong--mfdb should be fixed to be "smart" |
[15:55:55] | sphery: | yeah, not listings sources |
[15:56:13] | sphery: | I don't care if it's changed as long as it's still accurate :) |
[15:56:28] | iamlindoro: | s/still// |
[15:56:45] | sphery: | video sources is accurate--even if not descriptive :) |
[15:56:53] | iamlindoro: | I disagree |
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[15:57:09] | sphery: | I guess you could say it's not accurate if you allow non-video input (DVB radio), but I ignore that |
[15:58:28] | iamlindoro: | It's vague enough to be inaccurate depending on how you think of it |
[15:58:49] | sphery: | ok, agreed it's vague, but that--IMHO--is why we can say it's accurate |
[15:59:02] | iamlindoro: | As Video Sources are to some people "Comcast"/"Satellite"/etc., and to others, "Coax"/"VCR"/"Playstation" |
[15:59:17] | sphery: | Though the big problem with using the word "Lineup" in there is that people will think that has relation to SD's use of the term Lineup (and it doesn't) |
[15:59:49] | meshe: | Video Sources sounds like a source for video, not listings |
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[15:59:59] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
[16:00:04] | sphery: | meshe: it /is/ a source for video |
[16:00:16] | meshe: | how does schedules direct send me video? |
[16:00:25] | iamlindoro: | Whatever it is, it should concretely establish that you are setting up listing information |
[16:00:25] | sphery: | that we /also/ need a source of listings for that source for video does not mean video source only implies listings |
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[16:00:44] | sphery: | but it's possible to have multiple lineups that use the same listings source |
[16:00:49] | gbee: | sphery: yeah guess I meant to say confusing or ambiguous rather than innaccurate |
[16:00:54] | sphery: | s/lineups/video sources/ |
[16:01:05] | sphery: | definitely confusing |
[16:01:21] | sphery: | but a video source is just a logical name for a list of channels available on an input |
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[16:01:40] | sphery: | a video source generally also needs a source of listings (thoughs some don't--EIT only or No Grabber) |
[16:01:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I think that in this case, you may be being a bit disingenuous |
[16:01:58] | ** meshe highlights sphery's word *list* ** | |
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[16:02:09] | sphery: | how so? |
[16:02:20] | meshe: | 12:01 <+sphery> but a video source is just a logical name for a list of channels available on an input |
[16:02:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: The fact of the matter is that "Television Listings" is a *lot* closer to the average persons understanding of what that step in setup does than "Video Sources" |
[16:02:32] | gbee: | maybe we need to rethink mythtv-setup entirely, forget arguing over the name and start from scratch on the setup experience |
[16:02:36] | meshe: | it really has nothing to do with video at that screen |
[16:02:46] | sphery: | gbee: that's probably not a bad idea |
[16:02:54] | iamlindoro: | gbee: ++++++++++++++++ ^10x9999999 |
[16:02:59] | meshe: | hehe |
[16:03:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I have always thought that a single wizard-style setup would be vastly better |
[16:03:12] | ** gbee watches iamlindoro overflow ** | |
[16:03:32] | meshe: | what would be nice is a pluggable wizard system |
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[16:03:59] | ** meshe ponders that idea ** | |
[16:04:05] | iamlindoro: | something with a short narrative explaining each step in plain english |
[16:04:14] | ** meshe nods ** | |
[16:04:28] | iamlindoro: | more than just a 50 word help text, that is |
[16:04:34] | sphery: | fortunately, it seems that a large number of users will never have to worry about mythtv-setup--as it seems that a huge number of users on F11 and other "new" distros are getting segfaults every time they try to run it :) |
[16:04:45] | iamlindoro: | but something, dare I say it, MCE or Tivo initial setup style |
[16:04:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh |
[16:05:18] | iamlindoro: | That idea would be significantly enhanced with card autodetect, too |
[16:05:23] | ** meshe laughs and appreiciates ubuntu more ** | |
[16:05:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro: not seen either, but I think we can all imagine the sort of thing that is required |
[16:05:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: anyway, I'm all for changing the name, as long as we don't change it to something that's an oversimplification |
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[16:06:01] | sphery: | We can't use Channel Groups since that's used in mfe, now |
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[16:06:25] | sphery: | but that's close to what it really is |
[16:06:26] | ** meshe changes it to "Configure your listings sources (SD, XMLTV, EIT) ** | |
[16:06:32] | gbee: | autodetection, _sane_ defaults according to user locale, lots of help text and hand holding, lose non-essential settings behind an 'advanced' configuration stage |
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[16:06:44] | sphery: | /and/ mythui! |
[16:06:50] | iamlindoro: | yar! |
[16:06:57] | sphery: | guess we'll have to wait for gbee to do it, then :) |
[16:07:00] | meshe: | gbee: yeah, like vlc's advanced options |
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[16:08:45] | javatexan: | hey guys...vacations are great |
[16:09:00] | iamlindoro: | In other news, sex fun, sky blue |
[16:09:24] | meshe: | looking forward to my vacation, only 4 work weeks to go |
[16:09:32] | javatexan: | woohoo |
[16:10:04] | meshe: | 1 week with the inlaws then 1 week to detox from the inlaws |
[16:10:26] | javatexan: | meshe lol |
[16:10:37] | javatexan: | very true though |
[16:10:41] | laga: | yay :) |
[16:10:43] | meshe: | hey, my husband said it, not me ;) |
[16:11:45] | sphery: | Heh... "database sync" == mythbackend --clearcache |
[16:11:59] | sphery: | i.e. the guy isn't shutting down mythbackend when editing stuff in mythtv-setup (despite the huge warning) |
[16:12:22] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup can now shut down the backend itself, right? Maybe we should make it compulsory |
[16:12:30] | javatexan: | I know the ripper in myth must do this or something like it, but whats the "normal" way to concat a bunch of mpeg 2 files together? I keep finding conflicting information online about it. I am on ubuntu....soon to be debian ;) |
[16:12:41] | iamlindoro: | ie "If you press OK, the backend will be shut down and any in-progress recordings will fail." |
[16:13:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: big problem is when you run mythtv-setup on a separate system... We'd have to create a protocol command that says shut down |
[16:13:39] | sphery: | (which would be a fun thing for mean people to do every time they're on a network) |
[16:13:56] | sphery: | mythtv-setup just does a kill, IIRC |
[16:13:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: not to mention nothing listening to bring it back *up* |
[16:14:03] | sphery: | heh, true |
[16:14:12] | sphery: | we could make a mythbackenddaemon :) |
[16:14:17] | iamlindoro: | Would be neat to have a "soft reset" in the backend |
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[16:14:48] | iamlindoro: | ie one that reloads settings, triggers --resched, etc.... could avoid needing to shutdown the backend at all then |
[16:14:53] | meshe: | how about "Your settings have been updated, restart mythbackend for changes to take effect"... hmmm, maybe too windows-ish |
[16:15:16] | javatexan: | lol |
[16:15:39] | iamlindoro: | I'm saying it would be great not to need to do so-- ie detect which resources are in use, and defer the reset of those resources (capture cards, etc) until idle |
[16:15:56] | iamlindoro: | sort of a cascade setting reload |
[16:16:25] | iamlindoro: | and if that were possible, you could remove mythtv-setup entirely |
[16:16:32] | iamlindoro: | and just move it into a wizard in the FE |
[16:16:40] | meshe: | it's a good idea, it would add the complexity of making sure those settings aren't interdependant |
[16:16:49] | sphery: | meshe: "Your settings have been updated. Please reboot your system for the settings to take effect. [Reboot now] [Reboot later]" (where, obviously "Reboot later" is grayed out). |
[16:16:56] | iamlindoro: | indeed it would, but the reward is worth it IMO |
[16:17:38] | ** meshe nominates iamlindoro to create and manage the settings matrix ** | |
[16:17:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but then I can't make a lean/mean mythbackend-only system... I'd have to install mythfrontend, too. That's a waste of like 20MiB of HDD. |
[16:18:30] | sphery: | I wouldn't take on that project... Figuring out which things need reloaded--not to mention how to get rid of the old and replace them with new objects--in such a complex multithreaded app would be way more work than it's worth, IMHO :) |
[16:18:42] | sphery: | I think the restart is a good (enough) way. |
[16:18:52] | sphery: | (though not a reboot) |
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[16:19:15] | meshe: | reboot is sooo windows |
[16:19:22] | sphery: | yeah |
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[16:20:02] | meshe: | 12:20:01 up 325 days, 9:57, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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[16:21:40] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... best I've got here in the office right now is 151 days... power issues during the winter, UPS's exhausted, no generator |
[16:22:23] | meshe: | that's from a vps i have which is where i run my irssi in a screen session |
[16:23:31] | sphery: | heh, your irssi has better uptime than freenode's servers :) |
[16:24:10] | iamlindoro: | Well that was odd, svn just prompted me to resolve a diff on a blank line |
[16:24:31] | jams_: | iamlindoro- isn't that what the clear_cache command does |
[16:24:53] | iamlindoro: | jams_: Whichnow |
[16:24:54] | iamlindoro: | ? |
[16:25:02] | jams_: | drops any settings cache and forces it to reload from the database when needed |
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[16:25:26] | iamlindoro: | jams_: Oh, I don't know... don't know it/never used it |
[16:25:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro: dos/unix line feeds, likely |
[16:26:15] | sphery: | jams_: clear_cache only clears the settings cache--not card/input/video source/channel info, et. al. |
[16:26:22] | sphery: | er, --clearcache |
[16:26:47] | gbee: | my old firewall had an uptime of 500-something days |
[16:27:17] | jams_: | oh i thought thats what was being discussed..settings cache |
[16:27:29] | sphery: | my router sometimes approaches an up-on-the-shelf time around that long, but never an uptime that long |
[16:27:36] | jams_: | nevermind then |
[16:28:30] | jduggan: | this box i irc from hit 603 days before i was getting page errors and forced a reboot |
[16:28:40] | jduggan: | but its locked away in teh datacenter |
[16:28:51] | jduggan: | my house gets cuts once a month or so heh |
[16:29:31] | iamlindoro: | Have a very small UPS on the Myth stuff, does a nice job of smoothing out the little glitches-- everything else I'm fine losing the power |
[16:29:52] | iamlindoro: | Only really care to have it on the Myth stuff for the sake of all the disks |
[16:32:42] | meshe: | actually, irssi only has 160 days: 12:32 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 160d 0h 33m 5s |
[16:32:56] | meshe: | probably when I moved and quit running my gateway server at home |
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[16:35:50] | meshe: | we had a database server that hit 3 years of uptime before we shut down that data center |
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[16:37:11] | clever: | 13:36:56 up 110 days, 14:43, 2 users, load average: 0.31, 0.35, 0.29 |
[16:42:37] | juski: | put the ruler away |
[16:43:00] | iamlindoro: | and the microscope, too |
[16:43:26] | juski: | and btw am I the only person who sees a solution to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/390146 ? Rather than add yet another key binding, why not try to figure a way of making totally customisable key actions? ;-) |
[16:43:28] | clever: | i forget what happened 110 days ago, but alot of the systems are sync'd at that |
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[16:52:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: a manual compile worked |
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[16:52:47] | wagnerrp: | so it seems its a problem with the ebuild, setting something in the configure that mythtv doesnt like |
[16:52:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, huh, I know my ebuilds work (just compiled head last night) |
[16:53:18] | wagnerrp: | i had 2 x64 machines build off the ebuild fine last night |
[16:53:28] | wagnerrp: | but the two x32 builds failed in the same place |
[16:53:38] | kormoc: | http://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/ If you care to try |
[16:53:45] | wagnerrp: | some ASM code carried over from ffmpeg |
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[16:58:19] | wagnerrp: | looks like you need to update the page to say to use 'http' instead of 'https' for subversion |
[16:58:35] | kormoc: | whoops |
[16:58:37] | kormoc: | yeah... |
[16:59:55] | wagnerrp: | and your ebuild is undigested |
[17:00:44] | kormoc: | hrm |
[17:01:00] | kormoc: | I was sure I did so last night... |
[17:01:03] | iamlindoro: | need more fiber |
[17:01:43] | wagnerrp: | well its running... lets see how this one goes |
[17:02:06] | iamlindoro: | Someone needs to tell Trogod that the wiki is not a blog |
[17:02:33] | iamlindoro: | "I got a kernel crash!" (and created a new wiki page about it!) |
[17:02:34] | wagnerrp: | well its not so bad as long as hes only updating his own user page |
[17:02:36] | iamlindoro: | Who the eff cares? |
[17:02:45] | iamlindoro: | and the dozens of subpages |
[17:02:54] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Trogod/System0KernCrash1 |
[17:06:52] | juski: | jesus somebody delete all his edits immediately |
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[17:10:26] | wagnerrp: | so now wait a minute... |
[17:10:32] | wagnerrp: | i dont see a kernel crash in here |
[17:10:46] | wagnerrp: | it looks like something started sucking down memory |
[17:11:02] | wagnerrp: | to the point that the kernel started killing off parts of xfce |
[17:11:15] | juski: | mythfilldatabase segfaulted |
[17:11:16] | juski: | meh |
[17:11:33] | wagnerrp: | somehow leaving the XFCE window manager running, but killing the UI |
[17:11:52] | wagnerrp: | so now he just has a blank X session, no way to directly start new programs |
[17:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and that qualifies as unresponsive? |
[17:12:19] | juski: | ubuntu won't close the bug unceremoniously though will they? |
[17:12:35] | juski: | they'll get a crack team right onto it until he has satisfaction |
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[17:13:08] | kormoc: | That's what happens when you have more money then god... |
[17:13:21] | juski: | not like mythtv, whose devs say trac is not a discussion forum & disallow users from whining on a bug tracking database |
[17:13:45] | iamlindoro: | until said users write long diatribes based on their faulty use of the software |
[17:13:59] | iamlindoro: | beginning with "The devs can choose to ignore this if they want" |
[17:14:21] | iamlindoro: | but actually meaning "You'd better not ignore this or I'll subtly imply that I'll fork the code even though I have no idea how it works" |
[17:14:49] | juski: | is it just me or is it always a Brit who comes out with that kind of crap? |
[17:15:04] | kormoc: | juski, there's a reason we dumped your tea into the ocean... |
[17:15:09] | juski: | lol |
[17:15:52] | juski: | I mean yeah I'd love not to have to rescan & faff about with channels when freeview changes its socks but.. jees |
[17:16:49] | kormoc: | Well, anyone who has CFS and then also believes that he's also the intellectual guardian of the species is bound to be a winner... |
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[17:17:09] | orogor: | hi again |
[17:17:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: nope, still that same ASM error with cabac.h |
[17:17:47] | juski: | ah one of those made up illnesses. they're cool |
[17:18:05] | juski: | kormoc: that's not how you're sposed to spell weiner |
[17:18:11] | wagnerrp: | did you compile this on any 32-bit systems? |
[17:18:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, weird... but fair 'nuff, cause that one is using the recommended flags by default |
[17:18:17] | orogor: | i bought a terratec ht-pci and i can ttuen anything , but everyone else in my building can get dvb-t, peoples at linuxtv tells me it s because internal pc cards are weaker than set top boxes |
[17:18:37] | kormoc: | nah, it was 64 bit, but it's the recommended/default flags rather then the crazy vanilla ones |
[17:18:40] | juski: | orogor: possibly |
[17:18:41] | orogor: | woudl anyone have a suggestion on a better quality card, sensitive enought so i can tune ? |
[17:18:59] | juski: | orogor: do you have anything else attached to the coax cable apart from the tv tuner card? |
[17:19:09] | orogor: | nope |
[17:19:14] | kormoc: | orogor, you can ttune anything eh? that sounds like a good thing? |
[17:19:29] | iamlindoro: | He shares the aerial with the entire building |
[17:19:43] | wagnerrp: | im going to tune down my 'CFLAGS' and see what happens |
[17:19:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, we throw them out anyway |
[17:19:59] | ** juski recommends breaking into the other dwellings & cutting their coax ** | |
[17:19:59] | orogor: | i meant can t tune anything , escuse me |
[17:20:12] | ** kormoc recommends a ' in there ** | |
[17:20:25] | juski: | orogor: try borrowing a set top box & see if that works |
[17:20:39] | wagnerrp: | oh? well it was still using '-O3' and '-march=athlon-xp' |
[17:20:42] | juski: | then you'll have one less unknown :) |
[17:20:51] | wagnerrp: | i guess it was setting those on its own |
[17:20:54] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ... it shouldn't have been... I stripped them out... |
[17:20:55] | orogor: | :s i dont know em well enought |
[17:21:14] | juski: | like, if you don't know the cable has got the signal, how the hell can you work out if the tuner can pick anything up? |
[17:21:32] | juski: | orogor: DVB-T STBs are way cheap nowadays |
[17:21:43] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: yeah, even with CFLAGS set to '-O 0 -pipe' its still using those two |
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[17:21:49] | juski: | buy a cheapo one from a place with a good return policy :D |
[17:21:50] | wagnerrp: | looks like it sets them internally |
[17:21:53] | orogor: | juski, if i use my older analog tv card i get a very good signal |
[17:22:02] | juski: | orogor: that means nothing |
[17:22:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, weird, I was fairly sure we were using -O2 |
[17:22:27] | juski: | orogor: digital signals might not necessarily be in the same frequency range as the analogue channels |
[17:22:50] | juski: | so if your cable install was crap, maybe the analogue signals come in ok but the digital ones don't |
[17:23:03] | orogor: | juski, anyhow is there cards recommended over the terratec ht pci? |
[17:23:17] | juski: | I wouldn't buy any crap terratec make |
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[17:23:55] | juski: | hauppauge nova-t are pretty good, I heard |
[17:24:07] | orogor: | good to know because i still have few days to get reimbursed$ |
[17:24:17] | juski: | I think my leadtek LR6650 cards are pretty neat |
[17:24:37] | juski: | you could always try & see if an aerial amplifier helps any |
[17:24:45] | juski: | but if you're not getting anything at all, maybe not |
[17:24:53] | juski: | orogor: what are you using to try & tune the digital channels? |
[17:24:59] | orogor: | w_scan |
[17:25:06] | juski: | w_scan? |
[17:25:22] | orogor: | yes, what shoudl i use? |
[17:25:37] | juski: | never even heard of that program |
[17:25:50] | orogor: | commandline stuff |
[17:25:58] | juski: | always use dvb-utils' 'scan' |
[17:26:04] | juski: | *I* do I mean |
[17:26:20] | juski: | so you have to provide it with initial tuning info but SO? Like that's hard! |
[17:27:01] | orogor: | juski, it sthe issue, i heard all french emetor frequency tables are screwed in that package |
[17:27:11] | juski: | ah |
[17:27:17] | orogor: | lot of placer ecommend offsetting the frequencies by some amount |
[17:27:27] | orogor: | 161hz or somethinbg |
[17:27:35] | juski: | 16khz offsets are very common |
[17:27:46] | juski: | or 166khz.. whatever |
[17:27:56] | juski: | we have them in the UK too |
[17:28:25] | juski: | drivers can lie to the tuning app |
[17:29:24] | juski: | so does w_scan totally time out all the time? |
[17:29:40] | juski: | i.e. completely fail to get a lock on anything? |
[17:29:45] | gbee: | dvbscan? |
[17:29:54] | orogor: | it lock but cant get any channekl |
[17:30:07] | juski: | because that might even indicate you've not loaded modules properly, or you're missing firmware |
[17:31:23] | orogor: | thats why i have been in #linuxtv and there s user that seems pretty confident it s the fault of the antenna |
[17:33:06] | juski: | see if you can swap the card, or maybe try an amplifier on the coax |
[17:33:34] | juski: | maybe even try a different coax cable |
[17:34:35] | juski: | if you can get hold of a STB to try, that will pretty much pinpoint the problem to the antenna/feed/outlet or the card itself :) |
[17:34:52] | juski: | at least that way you'll know there's a signal |
[17:36:25] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, i am finally getting around to emailing the author of scte scan especially that i have a dta box here that works and updated no problem |
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[17:41:35] | orogor: | juski, also i dont have a tv |
[17:42:01] | orogor: | humm maybe i could use s-video |
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[17:46:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: looks like '-enable-proc-opts' is setting '-march=athlon-xp' |
[17:47:18] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
[17:47:31] | wagnerrp: | apparently those architectures are not compatible with the ASM code |
[17:47:45] | kormoc: | that's weird, should report it upstream then |
[17:47:46] | wagnerrp: | and i guess the ASM just gets bypassed when you use the default 'pentiumpro' |
[17:47:59] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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[18:08:02] | laga: | juski: you people are awesome: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/255 . . . ml?print=yes |
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[18:09:09] | kormoc: | Mmm... diseased meat... |
[18:12:14] | iamlindoro: | Amusingly, it's still better than normal British cuisine |
[18:12:22] | SHADOW_V: | ouch |
[18:12:31] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
[18:12:47] | iamlindoro: | Leave the poor people to enjoy their sheep lung in peace |
[18:12:52] | SHADOW_V: | awesome DLou got back to me |
[18:14:33] | laga: | i need to play command and conquer *now*. that'd make me incredibly happy |
[18:14:35] | ** laga goes to stfw ** | |
[18:16:44] | laga: | oh my god, you can download it for free: http://www.fileplanet.com/55414/0/section/Command-&-Conquer |
[18:16:45] | SHADOW_V: | hmm wouldn't this dump the outcome of the command to the text file ./scte65scan -t 543000000 -vvvvvvvv > email.txt |
[18:17:18] | kormoc: | why isn't it on steam?!?! WHY GOD WHY?!?!?! |
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[18:17:41] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V, it'll dump stdout to the textfile yes, but not stderr |
[18:17:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Because they're trying to be respectful of your paycheck |
[18:18:08] | iamlindoro: | That's a lot of verbose |
[18:18:22] | laga: | kormoc: i don't use steam ;) |
[18:18:36] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok so how do i get everything to go into a text file Dennis Lou told me to do that command and email it to him |
[18:18:42] | SHADOW_V: | so thats what i am doing |
[18:18:54] | kormoc: | change it to &> rather then > |
[18:19:04] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok thanks what is the difference |
[18:19:13] | SHADOW_V: | put everything through? |
[18:19:16] | kormoc: | &> gets stdout and stderr > just gets stdout |
[18:19:17] | orogor: | iamlindoro, here you are |
[18:19:28] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok great thanks kormoc |
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[18:21:48] | orogor: | anyone recommends one of these cards ? http://www.avenir-computer.com/catalogue.php?num=3 |
[18:22:12] | SHADOW_V: | i say the dazzle dvd recorder i am sure that will fix your signal problem |
[18:22:13] | orogor: | like under 100€ and i dont need a double tuner |
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[18:22:47] | orogor: | fun |
[18:23:15] | iamlindoro: | WinTV Nova T are well supported |
[18:23:25] | iamlindoro: | and no, don't buy the Dazzle, he was having fun with you |
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[18:23:47] | orogor: | i understood that |
[18:23:59] | ** SHADOW_V nods ** | |
[18:24:09] | orogor: | iamlindoro, as you said the tuenr wasn t sensitive enought i thought maybe i d try with another card with amore sensitive tuner |
[18:24:45] | orogor: | so the "normal" nova t pci and not the nova t 500 is enought ? |
[18:24:58] | iamlindoro: | orogor: I said that it was *possible* the tuner required more signal than you have, there's no way for anyone to do anything but guess without being in your apartment |
[18:25:02] | SHADOW_V: | i know the conversation of netbooks have come up here before i was able to get a dell mini 10v with bluetooth 6cell batt for 192 |
[18:25:20] | SHADOW_V: | also a buddy of mine got one with the 6cell batt for 200 |
[18:25:26] | SHADOW_V: | so if anyone is looking for one |
[18:25:33] | SHADOW_V: | those prices are hard to pass up |
[18:25:41] | iamlindoro: | orogor: Another card could very well be similarly nonfunctional if your signal is split enough times |
[18:25:57] | orogor: | iamlindoro, if the driver is ok , then it must be that |
[18:26:32] | orogor: | or i wouldn t understand why it works for the the other peerosns in the same flat |
[18:26:42] | gbee: | laga: wonder if C&C runs under wine ok, it's funny but I was thinking about playing C&C just a few days ago |
[18:26:55] | iamlindoro: | You live in Antibes, go to the beach instead |
[18:27:03] | iamlindoro: | forget this TV nonsense |
[18:27:14] | orogor: | iamlindoro, i don t bath after 21h |
[18:27:19] | gbee: | actually my memories were actually about Red Alert rather than the original, because that was the version I played multiplayer |
[18:27:20] | iamlindoro: | your loss |
[18:27:43] | laga: | gbee: it's supposed to |
[18:27:44] | orogor: | well say 20h30 now the summer is finishing , as the sunset is starting |
[18:27:57] | laga: | gbee: might need the XP patch |
[18:28:26] | orogor: | iamlindoro, you know antibes? |
[18:28:34] | iamlindoro: | I do indeed |
[18:28:57] | laga: | gbee: i am talking about the original version, though |
[18:29:28] | orogor: | where s my rhum ! |
[18:29:51] | SHADOW_V: | gbee, according to this http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sCl . . . &iId=166 its in gold status so it should def be playable |
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[18:31:17] | gbee: | whoo! |
[18:31:25] | laga: | *unzipping* |
[18:31:29] | laga: | the isos, i mean |
[18:31:44] | gbee: | ahem |
[18:32:00] | iamlindoro: | put that thing away |
[18:32:09] | iamlindoro: | your "vob file," I mean |
[18:32:37] | laga: | heh |
[18:33:16] | juski: | orogor: you're from Antibes? Heh my favourite place in France so far |
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[18:33:53] | juski: | I stayed there while working on an IBM project at La Gaude & I've been back there on my holidays |
[18:33:55] | orogor: | maybe because there s no french here |
[18:34:21] | ** iamlindoro prefers his Aix-en-Provence :) ** | |
[18:34:27] | kormoc: | If you're French, and you're there, and there's no French there... |
[18:34:31] | juski: | ruh? met plenty of French people, I got to know boat crew people, hotel workers etc |
[18:34:31] | orogor: | i lived 15 years in aix |
[18:34:42] | ** kormoc ponders this logical inconsistency ** | |
[18:34:55] | SHADOW_V: | kormoc, dont forget where he is from |
[18:35:20] | orogor: | juski, joking ... but antibes is actually spammed with foreign crew peoples, mostly enlish out of season , and with various tourists in the summer |
[18:35:43] | juski: | I was there for 7 weeks, got a good feel of the flavour I thought |
[18:35:56] | orogor: | and for the new year , the boats are in the carribeans , the tourists are gone and the city is empty |
[18:36:03] | juski: | there are much worse places to spend that amount of time, like Nice for example :) |
[18:36:17] | orogor: | nice is good |
[18:36:31] | juski: | depends what you like :) |
[18:36:57] | orogor: | i get slightly bored of antibes, specially in the winter |
[18:36:58] | iamlindoro: | My family used to have a bakery in Nice |
[18:37:11] | kormoc: | was it a nice bakery? |
[18:37:23] | orogor: | heh |
[18:37:27] | iamlindoro: | It was ;) |
[18:38:10] | orogor: | humm i got some myhtv quircks to solve as well, but i guess nobody here has a freebox |
[18:39:39] | orogor: | iamlindoro, how did you lrent i come from antibes, it s not in my whois, neither int he proxad adress |
[18:39:49] | orogor: | learnt |
[18:40:15] | iamlindoro: | orogor: http://www.avenir-computer.com/catalogue.php?num=3 |
[18:40:28] | iamlindoro: | "Contacts" ;) |
[18:40:31] | orogor: | sharp eyes |
[18:41:12] | gbee: | and it says so right at the top too |
[18:41:19] | orogor: | iamlindoro, do you know stuff about bttv ? |
[18:41:51] | iamlindoro: | orogor: No, I have not used a framegrabber type card in a very long time |
[18:41:58] | iamlindoro: | analog makes my head hurt |
[18:42:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: heres the weird thing... doing a manual compile with the exact same compile line as portage uses works |
[18:42:14] | orogor: | i got a bttv based card , can t get any sound without the external audio cable , peoples seems to report having sounds passed internally using the oss driver |
[18:42:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, different cpu dectection? |
[18:42:29] | wagnerrp: | still athlon-xp |
[18:42:37] | iamlindoro: | orogor: Some cards are capable of it, but (I think) not all |
[18:42:39] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
[18:42:41] | orogor: | i never manager to dso so , afair using the external cable will cause issues in myth |
[18:43:01] | iamlindoro: | The jumper cable should not cause myth issues |
[18:43:17] | kormoc: | orogor, most bttv cards are not capable of getting sound via oss/alsa (and the oss and alsa drivers support different cards) |
[18:43:19] | iamlindoro: | Using a framegrabber with myth is a pretty miserable experience though :) |
[18:43:33] | orogor: | like when you record stuff you also hear the sound |
[18:43:35] | iamlindoro: | orogor: I think you will be *much* happier with DVB-T when you get it working |
[18:43:45] | iamlindoro: | orogor: That is a configuration issue |
[18:44:02] | iamlindoro: | orogor: covered in the MythTV documenation under the heading "Configuring Sound" |
[18:44:03] | orogor: | iamlindoro, i will also get very happy when i ll get the iptv to record multipel channels |
[18:44:30] | orogor: | right now it does weirdo stuff, it fake to record , even to itself , but dont create the file |
[18:46:00] | orogor: | also xmltv grabbers are a bit hellish to setup in mythtv with the freebox |
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[18:46:34] | iamlindoro: | xmltv grabbers seem a bit hellish to set up period |
[18:47:01] | iamlindoro: | one of the myth devs has plans to make huge improvements to the XMLTV setup process for MythTV .23 |
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[18:47:26] | orogor: | cool |
[18:48:22] | orogor: | i wish some private compagny would be working on myth , mythtv devs seems a bit lonly compared to some other projects |
[18:48:33] | laga: | sponsor them? |
[18:49:04] | orogor: | i d rather contribute than spnsore |
[18:50:13] | wagnerrp: | Pluto has done some work in the past |
[18:50:52] | gbee: | aww |
[18:51:06] | wagnerrp: | or is it more theyve just had work done |
[18:51:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if theyve actually contributed anything back into the main codebase |
[18:51:19] | gbee: | have pluto every submitted back changes? |
[18:54:20] | iamlindoro: | The elephant in the room is still that certain element(s) of the core group don't *want* anyone new/don't want things to change/aren't interested in a large, active dev team |
[18:55:01] | iamlindoro: | One can't deny that there have been numerous people that have come around, written tons of new functionality, watched their patches rot, and moved on |
[18:55:07] | orogor: | thats one of the most annoying in oss |
[18:55:13] | Dagmar: | If I wind up writing a new menu system with Gtk::Perl they're going to have to commit seppuku you know |
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[18:57:06] | brad2: | iamlindoro, why do you think some people don't want a large active dev team? |
[18:57:21] | SHADOW_V: | easier to manage and keep on track>? |
[18:57:54] | brad2: | ahh |
[18:58:01] | iamlindoro: | no |
[18:58:11] | iamlindoro: | It's ego s**t, nothing more |
[18:58:31] | brad2: | it would seem that management of too many resources, would be a good problem to have! |
[18:58:55] | iamlindoro: | That implies that there's management or leadership to begin with |
[18:58:59] | brad2: | iamlindoro: that's unfortunate |
[18:59:13] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
[18:59:20] | brad2: | ahh well, i am unable to contribute anything, so i thankfully take whatever i get. :) |
[19:02:33] | orogor: | brad2, last time i tweaked myth in 2002 maybe i was hired by a compagny to do so for 3 months, trust me it s not that difficult to do "little things" |
[19:03:48] | brad2: | orogor: I do actually have a goal to be able to contribute at some point. I installed trunk on a test machine this weekend, just to see if i could. So i'm slowly building a knowledge base. Hopefully i can contribute something useful down the road. |
[19:03:58] | laga: | orogor: use punctuation. makes it way easier to parse your sentences |
[19:04:00] | laga: | ;) |
[19:04:07] | brad2: | it's sad that i'm excited about my ability to get trunk going, hahaha. |
[19:04:40] | orogor: | i need a new keybord too ,some keys are stuck on that one |
[19:04:57] | orogor: | the right hand get tied very fast |
[19:05:00] | orogor: | tired |
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[19:08:28] | kormoc: | okay, that just sounded bad |
[19:09:01] | brad2: | haha |
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[19:11:38] | laga: | gbee: C&C works.. after fiddling around a bit |
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[19:13:40] | juski: | laga: ha that Sun story. No intelligent people read that newspaper |
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[19:20:45] | iamlindoro: | Heh, WMC7 still doesn't allow you to hit record on liveTV and make what you've watched a recording |
[19:21:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but the real question is would it have properly handled the Virgin 1 -> Virgin +1 lineup change |
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[19:26:01] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: well. I dunno how they did it. but analog tv looked horrible in WMC7 |
[19:26:26] | AndyCap: | but it did make hdmi video and audio work out of the box. :P |
[19:26:35] | iamlindoro: | EngadgetHD has a pretty glowing review of it, but the negatives are pretty glaring to me |
[19:27:04] | AndyCap: | didn't manage to find any dvb-c channels either. :/ |
[19:27:13] | iamlindoro: | http://www.theme7mc.com/ |
[19:27:17] | iamlindoro: | Very interesting, that |
[19:28:08] | AndyCap: | oh, and while the guide setup was pretty easy, it was also way off. :) |
[19:28:13] | iamlindoro: | Not for the themes, but for the channel icons |
[19:28:29] | AndyCap: | hehe |
[19:28:30] | iamlindoro: | Though now that I look at them, lyngsat still seems to have them beat |
[19:29:16] | AndyCap: | oh, it has no clue about ID3 v2.4 tags (which came out in 2000 or so) |
[19:29:42] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Guess I won't be switching any time soon ;) |
[19:30:06] | wagnerrp: | whats the difference between v2.0 and v2.4? |
[19:30:12] | AndyCap: | unicode! |
[19:30:31] | wagnerrp: | ah, because W7 supports some form of v2 in explorer |
[19:30:34] | AndyCap: | so a lot of my albums ended up in unknown artist, unknown album category, which was somewhat unwieldly |
[19:30:57] | AndyCap: | but not groking unicode is pretty fail. |
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[19:33:22] | juski: | effing useless music download services! ARGHH |
[19:33:36] | AndyCap: | which one? |
[19:33:51] | juski: | iTunes, Amazon, HMV, Napster.. you name em they've not got what I want |
[19:33:52] | ** AndyCap gave emusic the boot last month. ** | |
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[19:34:01] | sphery: | So, who all switched to eglibc from glibc? Just Debian? |
[19:34:26] | wagnerrp: | hmv? |
[19:34:30] | sphery: | Starting to wonder if the recent spate of "Myth doesn't work on <new distro>" may be related... |
[19:34:37] | Dagmar: | huh? |
[19:34:40] | juski: | they've got tracks, FINE. Do that have remixes of tracks, hell no |
[19:34:54] | Dagmar: | sphey: Why would Debian switch to an _embedded_ version of glibc? |
[19:35:03] | juski: | oh but they have several different copies of the same tracks of slightly different lengths. DUH |
[19:35:04] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: you know, the dog and the grammophone |
[19:35:08] | sphery: | Dagmar: because they got p/o at Ulrich Drepper's attitute |
[19:35:21] | sphery: | and felt that Drepper was doing things only to help RH |
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[19:35:38] | juski: | sphery: eh? Ego conflicts sour the open source milk again? :-O |
[19:35:45] | Dagmar: | Wow |
[19:35:48] | Dagmar: | Professional |
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[19:35:57] | juski: | bloody humans & their egos |
[19:36:13] | sphery: | Yeah, Ubuntu's next release will be Drepper-less Drake |
[19:36:53] | sphery: | anyway, if it hasn't already hit, I'll bet we have a /ton/ of problems with Myth due to that. |
[19:37:33] | Dagmar: | http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5070#c5 |
[19:37:56] | Dagmar: | Drepper's fucking wrong, too. |
[19:39:09] | Dagmar: | keltor: Fired at point-blank range, sure |
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[19:40:27] | juski: | lend me that gun. My ISP needs a bullet for piss poor caching |
[19:40:57] | Dagmar: | Get your own. |
[19:41:06] | juski: | oo, what's that you say? You want to access a popular website after $time? Hard luck, sucker |
[19:41:26] | Dagmar: | Two tall boys, some muffler tape, an awl, a can of aqua net white, one catalytic sparker from a gas grill, and some tennis balls aare all you need |
[19:45:16] | juski: | jesus. go to youtube & they've got remixes of stuff all over the place. where the hell do people get them to upload em? |
[19:45:42] | juski: | nope, I want high quality versions though.. besides which I have an actual conscience |
[19:45:45] | wagnerrp: | is that some sort of tennis ball cannon made out of a pair of oversized beer cans? |
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[19:47:49] | gbee: | laga: cool |
[19:48:18] | gbee: | just been writing a letter to my local paper, nice to vent on a subject unrelated to myth |
[19:49:28] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp:s/some sort of/a/; |
[19:49:36] | gbee: | "<juski> laga: ha that Sun story. No intelligent people read that newspaper" << Yet it remains depressingly popular |
[19:49:47] | juski: | myers |
[19:50:37] | juski: | the term 'read' is prolly alien to most buyers of that rag anyway. It has lots of pictures |
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[20:08:18] | SHADOW_V: | hey J-e-f-f-A i was able to test the mac fe |
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[20:12:26] | laga: | gbee: even the music is awesome :) |
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[20:14:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: How'd it work out for you? |
[20:14:29] | SHADOW_V: | great just like a fe should be |
[20:14:40] | SHADOW_V: | but it was on Gbit lan so i dont know over wireless n |
[20:16:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: My network is currently both Gbit and 100Mbit – I will have to test it for ya... ;-) I think we may even have her machine connected via wireless-G – don't recall if I ran a network cable for her or not. |
[20:17:01] | SHADOW_V: | it ran faster but its not a fair comparison be/fe amd be-2400 geforce 6150 to a q6600 geforce 6600 |
[20:17:12] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
[20:17:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hers is a C2D 2Ghz IIRC... it's a couple of years old now. |
[20:17:37] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
[20:17:52] | SHADOW_V: | but it ran fine no issues so i was glad to see that |
[20:22:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | A buddy of min just shelled out about $2300 on a macbook... the thing is amazing though... |
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[20:23:59] | wagnerrp: | or $2300 i should hope so |
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[20:32:40] | SHADOW_V1: | when i have the funds i think i may get a mb or a mbp |
[20:32:42] | kormoc: | on a macbook? not a pro? |
[20:33:11] | laga: | i'd buy a thinkpad t400s |
[20:33:28] | SHADOW_V1: | sorry i like updated designs |
[20:33:47] | SHADOW_V1: | i have an ibm thinkpad 600x that resembles current thinkpads |
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[20:37:06] | Dagmar: | So it has "frustration marks" on the case then? |
[20:37:20] | Dagmar: | Indentations from teeth, staplers, fists, etc |
[20:37:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's a MacBook Pro... 2.8GHz – 4GB ram, dual video cards (crazy!) |
[20:38:13] | gbee: | yup, crazy |
[20:38:28] | kormoc: | Yeah, I was so tempted by the dual video cards, but I'm not counting it as a gaming machine beyond point and clicks |
[20:38:49] | meshe: | i remember when $2300 was an above average notebook, but not top of the line |
[20:39:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: me too... ;-) |
[20:39:24] | meshe: | even with the 9400M it's not a horrible gaming system |
[20:40:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | his has the GeForce 9600M GT with 512MB Gddr3, and a 9400M with 256MB shared DDR3.... nuts... |
[20:40:32] | meshe: | yeah, the one I'm getting only has the 9400M |
[20:40:45] | kormoc: | Yeah, I'm quite happy with the 9400M so far |
[20:40:48] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah the 9600 is decent for gaming |
[20:40:54] | SHADOW_V1: | no super hi res maxed out stuff |
[20:40:56] | SHADOW_V1: | but still fun |
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[20:41:52] | meshe: | i can play lotro on my netbook, so i know it'll run much better on the 13" macbook |
[20:41:54] | Dagmar: | A 9600 should be able to do WoW with everything maxed (excepting 25-man raids) |
[20:42:22] | Dagmar: | meshe: You can probably give up on finding groupmates after DDO gets their F2P thing squared away and working |
[20:42:49] | Dagmar: | I think they're about to snatch up all the rest of the people who aren't either playing WoW or worshipping Gandalf |
[20:43:23] | meshe: | I've already got a character at the level cap, and there's lots of us for raids |
[20:43:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | I just gave my son an 8600GS for his wintel box... much faster than the 6200 he had in there before (and it fried anyways)... ;-) |
[20:43:50] | SHADOW_V1: | oh yeah 8600 would be way faster |
[20:44:02] | Dagmar: | 8800 GTS FTW |
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[20:44:12] | SHADOW_V1: | dell sent me a replacement laptop for my horrible e1705 it was replaced by a precision m6400 |
[20:44:21] | laga: | intel x3100 ftw. ;) |
[20:44:26] | SHADOW_V1: | the quadro 2700 is nice |
[20:44:34] | Dagmar: | Not very suited for gaming tho |
[20:44:49] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah atleast i can still get over 3hrs batt life on it |
[20:44:54] | meshe: | GTX 275 FTW |
[20:45:06] | iamlindoro: | ABC 123 FTW |
[20:45:11] | Dagmar: | God the amount of juice those use is crazy |
[20:45:17] | iamlindoro: | We're doing random letters and numbers, right? ;) |
[20:45:26] | laga: | iamlindoro: epnis fail |
[20:45:33] | kormoc: | ZZZ 999 FTW! |
[20:45:43] | laga: | err, epenis |
[20:45:57] | iamlindoro: | laga: The only way to win is not to play |
[20:46:04] | laga: | yeah |
[20:46:05] | meshe: | the 275 requires ~ 300W by itself |
[20:46:08] | kormoc: | but then you're lonely and you lose anyway... |
[20:46:08] | Dagmar: | A video card that uses 400W of power all by itself. |
[20:46:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I saw a nice Gigabyte motherboard at Micro Center last week – similar in features to your board, but 2x GbLan, and AMD processor – $212 – not bad imho. 10 sata, etc. ;-) |
[20:46:32] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Cool, I'm an Intel man but sounds nice |
[20:46:39] | kormoc: | good man |
[20:46:48] | wagnerrp: | what are you going to do with only 2 lan ports???? |
[20:46:51] | SHADOW_V1: | but the micro code |
[20:46:59] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
[20:47:05] | kormoc: | what about the microcode? |
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[20:47:17] | kormoc: | The fact that it's updatable and AMD's isn't? |
[20:47:23] | SHADOW_V1: | i dont think they fixed that exploit that has been floating around |
[20:47:29] | SHADOW_V1: | oh it was finally updated |
[20:47:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... ;-) I'd just use one for the HDHR's, and the other for the 'real' network. ;-) |
[20:47:49] | kormoc: | Least consumers can update their own microcode on Intel's, can't on AMDs |
[20:48:01] | Dagmar: | Like consumers know what to do with that |
[20:48:05] | SHADOW_V1: | there was an exploit for it for awhile but i am not sure how vulnerable it is |
[20:48:13] | kormoc: | I do! And I consume things! |
[20:48:15] | wagnerrp: | because that 5MB/s is even going to be noticeable on a gigabit network? |
[20:48:37] | laga: | i'd use it for VMs |
[20:48:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Nah, more so because UDP gets thrown out if there's contention... so that way it won't have a chance to... |
[20:49:01] | Dagmar: | Amazing that you've gone from "Wow these people can't make a CPU that can divide properly" to "Yay we can patch the CPU now!" |
[20:49:04] | kormoc: | I wonder if there's any good 802.11N access points that support DHCP passthough with bonding gigabit... |
[20:49:31] | kormoc: | Dagmar, slightly better then the 'Burns in under 200 milliseconds' |
[20:49:58] | Dagmar: | Fake videos are fake |
[20:50:07] | kormoc: | Real videos are real |
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[20:50:13] | kormoc: | glad we agree |
[20:50:21] | Dagmar: | Lack of replicability == fakeness |
[20:50:46] | Dagmar: | I suppose next we'll celebrate Intel making a chip you can chew on and it'll still work |
[20:50:52] | kormoc: | given how often it's been reproduced and the fact that AMD acknowledged it... |
[20:50:56] | Dagmar: | ...because it's common for users to chew on their CPU. |
[20:50:59] | kormoc: | but hey, it's only reality getting in the way again... |
[20:51:10] | laga: | i fried an amd slot k7 once. |
[20:51:35] | Dagmar: | In the real world, no one but a complete idiot ever puts power into a CPU that doesn't have a heat sink on it. |
[20:51:50] | ** laga puts on the donkey hat ** | |
[20:51:53] | kormoc: | but in the real world they do get mounted incorrectly from time to time and then poof |
[20:51:56] | anykey_: | laga: smells really bad ;) |
[20:52:24] | laga: | anykey_: the donkey hat? |
[20:53:24] | anykey_: | laga: the burnt k7 |
[20:53:24] | laga: | ah, yeah |
[20:53:24] | kormoc: | We're just two jackasses arguing is all he's saying :) |
[20:53:24] | Dagmar: | personally, I'm fine with the requirement that I be able to correctly assemble a computer. |
[20:53:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A remembers when CPUs didn't need heatsinks... ** | |
[20:53:24] | ** Dagmar remembers Cyrix claiming theirs didn't. ** | |
[20:53:24] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: i still have one of those pc's! |
[20:53:24] | clever: | 486SX! |
[20:53:24] | SHADOW_V: | intel overdrive wohoo |
[20:53:25] | laga: | ROTFL |
[20:53:26] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: But you had to buy your math coprocessor seperate :) |
[20:53:28] | kormoc: | it's his primary box! |
[20:53:29] | Dagmar: | I wish I still had that product sheet |
[20:53:33] | Dagmar: | It was awesome |
[20:54:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... I still have my Amiga 1200 with a 68030 and a 68882 math co-processor... ;-) they both run at 50mhz! |
[20:54:04] | Dagmar: | On one side they had a bar representing the temperature at which an AMD DX2–66 would blow out, in Farenheit |
[20:54:05] | meshe: | upgreade to the DX to get the math coprocessor |
[20:54:23] | Dagmar: | Right next to it, they had a bar representing the temperature the Cyrix DX2–50 operated at |
[20:54:26] | Dagmar: | In Celcius |
[20:54:32] | Dagmar: | ...and it was still slower |
[20:54:44] | gbee: | and 25 additional Mhz |
[20:55:14] | Dagmar: | The only people who might actually believe that illustration would be people so illiterate that they can't recognize numbers |
[20:55:27] | Dagmar: | "Well honey this CPU must be better because the bar is smaller and you see the other one is smoking!" |
[20:56:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, reminds me... hardnova was setting up the UAE emulator to work from 'mythgame' some time ago... I wonder where he left off with that... (don't see him on here...:-( ) |
[20:56:51] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Why would that require anything special to set up? |
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[20:57:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I dunno, although on a wintel box it required a bit of 'tweaking' for each game to get the emulation correct... |
[20:58:14] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Presumably you can feed it a profile file of some sort? I'd just make the profile file the "rom" |
[20:58:21] | iamlindoro: | (sort of how ScummVM in MythGame works) |
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[20:59:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ttytt, I haven't used UAE on Linux yet – in the winblows world, I just setup profiles for each game, different amounts of ram, sound settings, etc, depending on the game. |
[20:59:45] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Right, but each profile can be stored in a discrete file? |
[20:59:51] | kormoc: | ttytt? |
[20:59:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Might have to pass the stuff via command-line flags in the linux version – not sure ^ or a file. ;-) |
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[21:00:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | To Tell You The Truth... ;-) |
[21:00:03] | iamlindoro: | To Tell You the Truth I think |
[21:00:05] | kormoc: | ahh |
[21:00:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah. |
[21:00:17] | gbee: | ah crap, toasted a CD because k3b didn't use the image I selected |
[21:00:32] | kormoc: | slap some jam on it and enjoy? |
[21:00:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Wow, I haven't had CD Toast in some time! A TREAT! ;-) |
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[21:01:45] | laga: | nom |
[21:01:52] | juski: | om nom nom |
[21:01:56] | gbee: | heh, dunno where that came from, meant to say coastered |
[21:02:05] | wagnerrp: | i toasted a couple dvds a while back |
[21:02:18] | CoreDump is now known as CoreDump|cf-18 | |
[21:02:23] | wagnerrp: | apparently i dont have the network bandwidth to pump 25MB/s each to two burners |
[21:02:38] | wagnerrp: | and the repeated buffer underruns did not play nice |
[21:02:45] | SHADOW_V2: | i personally have bad burns that trick cd players into high speed rotation then having them shoot out |
[21:02:47] | SHADOW_V2: | :) |
[21:03:07] | SHADOW_V2: | wagnerrp, upgrade your pipes |
[21:03:18] | AndyCap: | SHADOW_V2: I'm sure you could sell those on ebay. |
[21:03:32] | SHADOW_V2: | yeah that was fun |
[21:03:38] | SHADOW_V2: | purely by accident |
[21:03:51] | SHADOW_V2: | running on a win 95 box with a parrallel cd burner |
[21:03:59] | SHADOW_V2: | oh it was bad |
[21:04:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I fixed a friend's CD drive once that had a cd disk shatter inside it – parts of the shattered disc shorted the power, shutting the pc off immediately. |
[21:04:27] | SHADOW_V2: | nice |
[21:04:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | I opened the drive up, cleaned up all the bits, and it worked fine... |
[21:04:39] | SHADOW_V2: | good crafsmanship |
[21:05:06] | clever: | next, get a band saw and carefully cut some slots in a disk so it explodes when the drive reach full speed:P |
[21:05:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... At the time a CD drive was something like $70, so it made sense to try to fix it... ;-) |
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[21:05:45] | SHADOW_V2: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah i hear that you ever have a parrallel cd burner |
[21:06:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Most modern discs are made of a tougher plastic, and are much harder to break/shatter. Heck, you can fold a CD or DVD straight over in most cases now before it 'snaps'... |
[21:06:20] | SHADOW_V2: | J-e-f-f-A, eh i dont know i snap em all the time |
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[21:06:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: No, but I knew people that did. I had an Amiga, so I had a SCSI burner. ;-) |
[21:06:53] | SHADOW_V2: | fancy pants |
[21:06:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had Parallel scanners. ;-) |
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[21:07:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | (Before this fancy USB stuff!) |
[21:07:23] | kormoc: | I had a parallel port burner, used a custom parallel port to scsi adapter |
[21:07:24] | AndyCap: | still crap. :) |
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[21:07:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | I remember my buddy buying an HP 2x CD burner for something like $1200 in 1991 or so... and making all his money back copying CDs for folks... DOH! |
[21:08:10] | SHADOW_V2: | horrible |
[21:08:28] | kormoc: | I also had a Shuttle EPIA parallel port IDE adapter |
[21:08:46] | kormoc: | I got hundreds of K per second off of that sucker |
[21:08:49] | Dagmar: | I remember a client buying a $250 pop tart warmer |
[21:09:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm suprised clever hasn't chimed in here and said he's still running all this stuff... ;-) |
[21:09:24] | iamlindoro: | I remember getting my first CD drive (pre-burners) as part of one of those MPC kits... came with a Sound Blaster and a copy of 7th Guest IIRC |
[21:09:25] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, he can't afford most of it |
[21:09:29] | Dagmar: | It caught her completely by suprise that the cd caddy actually opened once it was inside the NEC 3x burner. |
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[21:09:47] | meshe: | iamlindoro: did the cdrom drive connect through the sound card? |
[21:09:49] | iamlindoro: | It was an oddball design, the whole drive slid out and the top opened like a pizza box |
[21:09:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | My first CD drive was an Apple 2x SCSI – used it on my Amiga. ;-) |
[21:09:57] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I had one of them! |
[21:10:15] | iamlindoro: | meshe: ISTR (It's been a while) that I got both a controller for it and the sound card as discrete cards |
[21:10:35] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Think the kits that were Pro Audio Spectrum controlled the CD w/ the Sound Card/SCSI combo |
[21:10:38] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i had one of those packs, 4x drive, sound blaster, ultima 8, syndicate, wing commander |
[21:10:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Hehe nice, no? |
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[21:10:49] | meshe: | my first x86 computer had the ide controller on the sound card for the cdrom |
[21:10:59] | Dagmar: | That wasn't an IDE controller. |
[21:11:11] | Dagmar: | CDU55 wasn't IDE. |
[21:11:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, heh, took *forever* to load cds, mine would sit there and spin and spin and spin before it would 'mount' |
[21:11:17] | meshe: | yeah, you're right |
[21:11:21] | meshe: | forgot about that |
[21:11:44] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: My favorite CD-ROM pack-in game of all time will always be "Loom" |
[21:11:44] | kormoc: | Ahh... Wing Commander, now that was a space fighter sim |
[21:11:49] | kormoc: | hehe |
[21:11:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | My first x86 was a 486 dx2 66 from work... I had an Amiga, and needed a Pee-Cee for remote access to work. :-( |
[21:11:57] | kormoc: | I loved Loom |
[21:12:01] | iamlindoro: | Wing Commander 1 and 2 rocked |
[21:12:13] | meshe: | forgot the memory address for it and had to go through the addresses one by one until i found it after a reinstall |
[21:12:25] | ** kormoc pokes Steam... Free Money... just get all the classics... ** | |
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[21:12:50] | iamlindoro: | I also spent ages w/ the other Sims... Strike Commander, Privateer, etc. |
[21:12:54] | gbee: | first was an Amstrad 286, second was a second hand 486SX |
[21:13:02] | wagnerrp: | it had strike commander too |
[21:13:22] | iamlindoro: | I really liked everything they built on that engine (before they went to all the live-video stuff) |
[21:13:58] | Dagmar: | ...and added Mark Ham mil |
[21:14:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Now my first computer... ;-) That was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 (a copy of the ZX-81) ;-) |
[21:15:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | OOh, the motherboard I've been looking at that's $219 at Micro Center is just $179 on newegg... GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P ... |
[21:16:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... but I'd need an AM3 cpu and DDR3 memory too... Humm.... |
[21:16:10] | Dagmar: | 'zat have USB 3.0? |
[21:16:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | not yet. ;-) |
[21:16:26] | gbee: | ugh, installing this game is going to mean going back to school on Wine |
[21:16:33] | laga: | gbee: C&C? |
[21:16:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Is 3.0 even out 'in the wild' yet? |
[21:16:43] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
[21:16:46] | Dagmar: | ASUS has a board with it. |
[21:16:56] | Dagmar: | No idea what people are plugging into it, but it's out there. |
[21:17:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh. 5Gbp/s right? It's 'downward' compatible... ;-) |
[21:17:44] | wagnerrp: | per per? |
[21:17:46] | Dagmar: | You might want to not get that Gigabyte board actually unless you plan on buying spendy CPUs for awhile still |
[21:17:55] | kormoc: | P6X58 Premium |
[21:18:05] | gbee: | laga: yeah, running wine directly on install.exe moans about not being able to find setup files and I should run it from the CD, iirc wine will use windows style drive identifiers so that's probably what's required |
[21:18:15] | laga: | gbee: easy one |
[21:18:17] | laga: | wait a second |
[21:18:18] | gbee: | either that, or I'll look for a Loki installer |
[21:18:34] | gbee: | haven't used wine in years |
[21:18:43] | laga: | gbee: ln -s /path/to/iso ~/.wine/dosdevices/d\:\: |
[21:19:03] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: you can get AM3 chips for as low as $60 |
[21:19:04] | laga: | gbee: after you've installed it, use schedutils to disable SMP |
[21:19:19] | laga: | gbee: sorry, schedtool. schedtool -a 0x2 -e wine C\&C95.EXE |
[21:19:24] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Dude, that board doesn't support much but Phenoms |
[21:19:46] | gbee: | laga: thanks |
[21:19:54] | iamlindoro: | laga: Simple as that, eh? ;) |
[21:19:55] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: the new low end Athlons are nothing more than rebranded Phenoms with two cores disabled |
[21:20:03] | Dagmar: | http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/CP . . . 07#anchor_os |
[21:20:06] | laga: | iamlindoro: totally. |
[21:20:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Oh, it's been announced, but not released yet... Still nice. Does it have any standard PCI slots? |
[21:20:47] | iamlindoro: | laga: IMO wine has taken some dramatic steps backwards in the last year-- it used to be possible to just run it on *some* things and have it work, everything I have tried lately required tweaks like that just to start... very frustrated with it last time I used it |
[21:21:19] | laga: | iamlindoro: i guess that's just anecdotical evidence. that particular bug seems to have always existed ;) |
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[21:21:58] | iamlindoro: | laga: That particular one may have been-- just saying that my experience has been awful for the past year or so, so little "just works" these days |
[21:22:13] | laga: | iamlindoro: little has ever worked for me :) |
[21:22:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and it's got SATA 6Gb/s... wow... |
[21:22:47] | kormoc: | when calc.exe requires you to disable SMP, you know your SMP code is just wrong... |
[21:23:02] | laga: | calc.exe? who said that? |
[21:23:25] | kormoc: | Heh, last time I tried wine, *everything* including calc.exe required smp to be off |
[21:23:28] | kormoc: | but it's been a few months |
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[21:40:41] | AndyCap: | Heh, mplayer crashes X but mythtv playback works fine |
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[21:56:51] | gbee: | bah, not having much luck with C&C, now X is complaining about GLX errors :( |
[21:57:44] | laga: | gbee: care to paste them? maybe i have seen them |
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[21:58:17] | gbee: | http://pastebin.ca/1509391 |
[21:59:02] | laga: | never seen that one :( |
[21:59:29] | laga: | are you running amd64? |
[21:59:53] | gbee: | yup |
[22:00:56] | laga: | on nvidia? |
[22:01:28] | Dagmar: | That thing is carping like you don't have the nVidia driver installed/configured |
[22:01:41] | laga: | yeah, prolly missing the 32bit glx libs for nvidia |
[22:03:08] | gbee: | nope, 32bit glx libs installed |
[22:03:48] | laga: | even the right ones? ;) |
[22:03:54] | gbee: | hmm, actually maybe I didn't install them last time around, figured I wasn't actually using them .. |
[22:04:08] | kormoc: | glxinfo? |
[22:04:19] | laga: | kormoc: only useful if glxinfo was 32bit |
[22:04:32] | gbee: | screw it, re-installing the driver means killing X (stupid installer) and I'm not doing that tonight |
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[22:05:10] | kormoc: | laga, I thought most distros had both? |
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[22:05:24] | laga: | the glxinfo binary? not sure |
[22:06:03] | gbee: | kormoc: possibly, I certainly don't have it installed – 32bit repos were disabled until tonight |
[22:06:40] | ** kormoc wishes there was a standard multibin like multilib ** | |
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[22:20:07] | AndyCap: | "Fix disabling of XvMC disabled" So what exactly did they do? |
[22:20:13] | bob1: | to be able to use a remote with MythTV, do i need to buy a usb IR receiver? |
[22:20:23] | bob1: | or can i use the receiver on my tuner carD? |
[22:20:35] | kormoc: | depends if there is a driver for it or not (lirc.org) |
[22:21:37] | meshe: | bob1: what card do you have? |
[22:21:49] | bob1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116015 |
[22:21:53] | bob1: | it has the MCE remote |
[22:22:03] | bob1: | im planning on buying it |
[22:22:12] | bob1: | i just need to know beforehand if it will work |
[22:23:21] | meshe: | that one comes with a usb ir receiver (second image in the second row) |
[22:24:07] | bob1: | o, i see |
[22:24:51] | bob1: | and there is one that plugs into the headphone jack? |
[22:25:02] | meshe: | i think it's a MCE USB Philips et al or something similar by the looks of it |
[22:25:07] | Dagmar: | Not one that works |
[22:25:41] | bob1: | this remote i read works |
[22:25:50] | bob1: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
[22:25:54] | Dagmar: | Not plugged into the headphone jack it doesn't. |
[22:25:59] | bob1: | o i see |
[22:26:00] | bob1: | ok |
[22:26:02] | bob1: | thank you |
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[22:26:30] | meshe: | bob1: that looks like the receiver/remote that i have, and mine works |
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[22:30:07] | Dagmar: | I think he was really hoping it would work plugged into his headphone jack |
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[22:34:08] | meshe: | very strange |
[22:34:42] | meshe: | if that's the remote/reciver i think it is, it's of the "just works" variety |
[22:39:12] | kormoc: | the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter |
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[22:41:02] | Dagmar: | not... a... headphone... jack... |
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[22:41:26] | iamlindoro: | Um, yes, you *can* do an IR transmitter with a headphone jack |
[22:41:38] | kormoc: | it's a standard headphone plug and jack... |
[22:41:43] | iamlindoro: | there is both a driver for that and schematics on lirc.org |
[22:41:59] | iamlindoro: | and by headphone jack, I mean using the soundcard |
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[22:43:35] | Dagmar: | So, you're telling me that the lead that comes with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116015 is meant to plug into the headphone jack |
[22:43:54] | Dagmar: | Next thing we'll be calling coax "internets cable" |
[22:43:56] | iamlindoro: | Nobody said anything of the sort |
[22:44:03] | iamlindoro: | nor did the original questioner |
[22:44:16] | iamlindoro: | you're just so eager to call him stupid that you are parsing wrong info |
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[22:45:15] | Dagmar: | He was talking about recievers |
[22:45:26] | iamlindoro: | I see *nothing* in his question that implied he thought a USB receiver plugged into a headphone jack-- merely a second question asking if there was one-- to which the answer is *yes* |
[22:45:47] | Dagmar: | So there's a reciever that plugs into a headphone jack. |
[22:45:53] | Dagmar: | ...an output |
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[22:46:28] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Your constant attempts to appear better or smarter than others are really tiresome |
[22:46:35] | Dagmar: | I'm doing no such thing. |
[22:46:39] | iamlindoro: | Oh no? |
[22:46:41] | Dagmar: | No. |
[22:46:49] | Dagmar: | I took what he was saying at face value |
[22:47:08] | iamlindoro: | Please, if anyone here feels that Dagmar isn't constantly trying to rip apart everyone, please correct me-- Dagmar, you're not allowed to answer |
[22:47:09] | Dagmar: | I wasn't trying to be pedantic or anything even remotely like it |
[22:47:17] | iamlindoro: | Let's see who comes to your rescue |
[22:47:31] | iamlindoro: | I want to see who will stand up and say you are *not* constantly attacking any and everyone who comes in |
[22:47:43] | kormoc: | All I said was the headphone jack thing was a receiver |
[22:47:47] | Dagmar: | I'd like to see someone otehr than you saying I am |
[22:47:56] | kormoc: | <kormoc> the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter |
[22:48:13] | kormoc: | it's still a headphone style jack on the usb receiver... |
[22:48:42] | kormoc: | Dagmar, you are quite abrasive at times, you knew what I ment and yet you still took it as I was being a idiot and saying it plugged into a sound card... |
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[22:51:15] | Dagmar: | No, I'm saying bob seemed to be under that impression |
[22:51:58] | kormoc: | but he left the channel awhile ago... |
[22:52:16] | Dagmar: | Yes, and then iamlindoro started making accusations |
[22:52:37] | iamlindoro: | "kormoc> the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter" |
[22:52:41] | iamlindoro: | "<Dagmar> not... a... headphone... jack..." |
[22:52:49] | iamlindoro: | It's not an accusation-- it's a fact-- you were *WRONG* |
[22:52:59] | Dagmar: | It's a 3.5 miniature jack |
[22:53:00] | iamlindoro: | In any sense of the way you look at it |
[22:53:09] | kormoc: | granted, I didn't say it very well, but ... |
[22:53:24] | iamlindoro: | whether you are talking about plugging the transmitter into the USB module, OR a transmitter into the headphone jack |
[22:53:33] | iamlindoro: | BOTH are possible, BOTH are right, *YOU* were wrong |
[22:53:39] | Dagmar: | In the sense *I'm* looking at the headphone jack is the 3.5 miniature jack that is on the front of most cases for _headphones_ to plug into which has it's own volume slider in ALSA |
[22:54:07] | Dagmar: | If you want to bitch you should have said something about it at the time to make sure the guy wasn't really talking about _a headphone jack_ |
[22:54:09] | iamlindoro: | Yes, and as I've explained to you a few times now, that exact jack-- NOT a jack shaped or styled like that-- THAT JACK... can take an IR transmitter |
[22:54:38] | gbee: | come on guys, it's enough we have to fight trolls every other night, lets not start in on each other |
[22:54:47] | Dagmar: | ]...and if i'm not mistaken the IR transmitter uses the 2.5 jack |
[22:55:23] | iamlindoro: | You are indeed mistaken as-- again for the second time-- lirc.org has schematics and a driver |
[22:55:43] | Dagmar: | No, you are. |
[22:55:54] | Dagmar: | I've been clear that I'm talking about a _headphone jack_ which is an _output_ |
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[22:55:57] | iamlindoro: | But enough of that, someone has to be man enough to be done with this conversation, might as well be me |
[22:56:05] | Dagmar: | ....and specifically that I was under the impression he was talking about a _reciever_ |
[22:56:11] | Shadow_M: | my dad can beat up your dad |
[22:56:27] | Dagmar: | Now, if you think LIRC has a URL that shows how to use your headphone output as an IR reciever interface then feel free to cough up a URL |
[22:56:32] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, there's always valium. |
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[23:25:12] | sgtpepper: | guys, a question.... I'm using xmltv and when I set up my box again, I forgot to configure the correct timezone for xmltv, Do I have to erase everything and start again or will it be enough to correct the timezone and re-run mythfilldatabase ? |
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[23:32:48] | kormoc: | sgtpepper, correct the timezone and rerun mythfilldatabase with --refresh-all should do the trick |
[23:33:12] | sgtpepper: | thanks :D |
[23:37:11] | sphery: | sgtpepper: after that, do a --refresh-today |
[23:37:22] | sphery: | --refresh-all doesn't do today, IIRC |
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[23:37:40] | sphery: | but look first to see if today is still off after --refresh-all |
[23:38:57] | sgtpepper: | I wan't to buy like 5 or 6 encoder cards and frontends |
[23:39:03] | sgtpepper: | This is a new way of watching tv |
[23:42:32] | sphery: | heh, that's how it all starts... |
[23:43:07] | sphery: | I started with 1 encoder and 160GB of storage... I've now gotten to 4 digital capture cards and 6.5TB storage. |
[23:43:32] | sphery: | and, of course, went from my old standard-def 27" TV to a much nicer 67" HDTV. |
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[23:43:45] | superdug: | 67" ? LCD ? |
[23:44:11] | meshe: | plasma or DLP i'd guess |
[23:44:25] | sphery: | DLP |
[23:44:28] | superdug: | I didn't think the plasmas went over 62" yet |
[23:44:43] | sphery: | gotta last me til they come out with something better than LCD |
[23:44:50] | meshe: | LED |
[23:44:55] | kormoc: | OLED |
[23:44:58] | sphery: | LED is still LCD |
[23:44:58] | superdug: | I got a 50" plasma ... I'm happy with it |
[23:45:05] | meshe: | go to the store and see, they rock |
[23:45:06] | sphery: | I'm waiting for SED |
[23:45:09] | sphery: | I hate OLED |
[23:45:17] | superdug: | I'm waiting for holograms |
[23:45:26] | meshe: | holodeck |
[23:45:31] | sphery: | I don't want Moriarty running amok in my house! |
[23:45:36] | meshe: | lol |
[23:45:48] | wagnerrp: | who says you need portable holo-emitters? |
[23:45:55] | ** iamlindoro is on Moriarty right now ** | |
[23:46:06] | iamlindoro: | root@Moriarty:/usr/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite# |
[23:46:21] | sphery: | and I'll bet it's running amok |
[23:46:42] | sphery: | come now, people, didn't we learn anything from Star Trek: TNG |
[23:47:19] | ** kormoc learned not to step on the grass on paradise planets ** | |
[23:47:54] | sphery: | yeah, and don't step on weird plants when you accidentally go back in time after fixing the toaster |
[23:48:02] | sphery: | (oh, wait, that was The Simpsons) |
[23:48:27] | sphery: | But the #1 rule of time travel is... |
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[23:50:26] | wagnerrp: | dont kill the butterfly? |
[23:50:41] | sphery: | I skipped, again, this time to Futurama. |
[23:52:04] | kormoc: | Don't sleep with your grandma? |
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[23:52:38] | sphery: | there it is! |
[23:52:58] | wagnerrp: | is that why he has no delta waves or something? |
[23:54:06] | kormoc: | yup |
[23:54:43] | Shadow_M: | :) |
[23:54:58] | Shadow_M: | i personally liked scooty puff jr |
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