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Monday, July 27th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
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[00:04:23] solexious|netbk: Great :)
[00:05:27] solexious|netbk: I take it for multiple dvd movies just making the title "[moviename] Disk #" is the best way to name them?
[00:05:45] Dagmar: Sure if anyone made multiple DVD movies
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[00:07:48] kormoc: Director's cut of 1900 is 315 minutes
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[00:08:08] solexious|netbk: well the missus likes buying the "super multidisk directors sun's cut special edition" if I didnt add all the disks she would kill me, seems as as soon as ive archived all the iso's the hard copys are going into storage
[00:09:16] sphery: kormoc: so the director missed by 1585 minutes?
[00:10:17] kormoc: sphery, yeah, well, then there's "The Cure for Insomnia", which has a run time of 5220 minutes
[00:11:19] sphery: wow... that's crazy...
[00:11:53] Dagmar: solexious|netbk: So you have no intentions of concatenating the streams?
[00:12:03] sphery: 87 hrs...
[00:12:23] Dagmar: sphery: You will either sleep, or hallucinate
[00:13:23] sphery: I'm pretty sure I'd sleep 3 different times (for 8hrs at a time) in 87 hrs
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[00:15:36] solexious|netbk: Dagmar, Is that a ghostbusters reference?
[00:19:20] solexious|netbk: or if you mean the size of the files from full iso rips, i've got 8tb in raid 5 and im not afraid to use it! ;)
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[00:21:06] Tack: If I connect a USB keyboard to my settop cable box and press the number keys, I can change channels this way. If I connect the settop box to my HTPC via USB, is there any way I can make linux behave as a keyboard for this purpose?
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[00:22:20] sphery: Is there a way? Probably. Has it been done before? I don't know of any projects that have done it.
[00:22:34] sphery: You might get to be the project creator :)
[00:22:40] Tack: Me neither. It's definitely an obscure idea. :)
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[00:22:56] Dagmar: It's already been done.
[00:23:02] sphery: you don't have firewire on the STB?
[00:23:11] Dagmar: You need USB host-to-host adapter to make that kind of connection tho.
[00:23:12] sphery: I know some people use firewire for channel changes
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[00:23:18] Tack: sphery: I have, but don't have a firewire cable handy. :)
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[00:23:36] Tack: And in any case am not sure if firewire will work, so the USB option seemed like a good fallback plan.
[00:23:55] sphery: Dagmar: you know of software/drivers that allow emulating a keyboard over a USB host-to-host connection?
[00:23:58] Tack: Dagmar: what sort of software would I run on the linux end?
[00:24:04] Dagmar: Tack: The kind you write.
[00:24:09] Tack: Naturally.
[00:24:18] Tack: Hasn't it already been done, as you said?
[00:24:18] Dagmar: HID protocol isn't _that_ complex
[00:24:30] Dagmar: Yes, such things have already been done.
[00:24:33] Dagmar: Go with firewire.
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[00:26:28] clever: ive seen some micro controlers that emulate a usb keyboard thru bit whacking
[00:26:48] Arpman: Im trying to port the plugins to FreeBSD, but get an error can't cd to /src/moc. I cant seem to find anything about this – can some one shed the light?
[00:27:09] Dagmar: You failed to set QTPATH like the directions for Qt said.
[00:27:35] clever: sphery: you might be better off using vnc or synergy, and emulate the client or server
[00:27:46] Tack: Firewire is obviously the more obvious solution. It might be an interesting hack to make it work via USB though.
[00:27:49] clever: sphery: that would be purely software based
[00:28:42] Arpman: QTPATH – hmm – thanks for the help – I'll look into it
[00:29:11] Dagmar: Tack: Interesing, yes. Also, an order of magnitude more complex
[00:29:46] clever: Tack: look at vnc or synergy
[00:30:14] Tack: clever: I don't think either of those will help, as neither really has anything to do with usb.
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[00:30:27] clever: Tack: arent you trying to emulate a keyboard?
[00:30:35] Tack: clever: over USB, yes.
[00:30:39] clever: why over usb?
[00:30:46] iamlindoro: jesus christ clever
[00:30:49] iamlindoro: read the scrollback
[00:31:01] kormoc: I swear, Canadian schools are worthless...
[00:31:02] iamlindoro: if you don't have the context to ffer suggestions, STFU
[00:31:07] clever: ahhh, for controling the cable box
[00:31:12] Tack: kormoc: Hey, I'm Canadian. :P
[00:31:27] kormoc: Tack, so get some social workers to clever asap
[00:31:34] Tack: :)
[00:31:42] clever: kormoc: they have allready visted
[00:31:45] solexious|netbk: Is there a stand alone script to pull data from tmd into mythtv db
[00:31:47] Dagmar: yeah well, we had to tell you there was special hardware involved to patch two USB hosts together so don't strain your arm patting your back
[00:31:59] kormoc: why am I not surprised...
[00:32:13] poodyp: you could make a micro that connects to a keyboard IC and emulates the keyboard matrix, then make the micro respond to IR codes, and hard wire it to an IR repeater
[00:32:15] sphery: solexious|netbk: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl
[00:32:30] ** solexious|netbk dofs hat **
[00:32:37] Dagmar: Granted, tehre's probably two or three people watching in silence who also had no idea, and one who's swearing I'm full of it.
[00:32:45] clever: poodyp: i know something a little better, finding the link
[00:33:06] ** Dagmar waits for clever to come up with a plan easily ten times more complex than necessary **
[00:33:53] Tack: Dagmar: well, we can't all be omniscient such as yourself.
[00:33:59] Dagmar: Tack: Yes you can.
[00:34:45] Dagmar: Keep Google as your homepage, search anything you don't immediately know, and read at least ten results from every search
[00:35:11] Dagmar: Over time, the stuff piles up in your head whether you like it or not.
[00:35:14] clever: Tack: http://hackaday.com/2009/04/02/capslocker-2/
[00:35:49] clever: Tack: that device has a small micro controler that acts as a usb keyboard, and randomly sends the caps lock key, with a little software tweaking it could send any key you give it over serial
[00:35:49] iamlindoro: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAH
[00:35:56] iamlindoro: WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS CHANNEL RIGHT NOW
[00:36:11] sphery: agreed...
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[00:36:15] sphery: way too much mean
[00:36:18] iamlindoro: clever, That's a horrible, horrible idea, and I am dumber for having indulged it
[00:36:26] clever: iamlindoro: why?
[00:36:36] kormoc: not is there any proof that you can 'tweak' it with software...
[00:37:04] iamlindoro: Tack, The truth is firewire is going to be the most easily supported option, and taht while the USB option is probably feasible, you'll drive yourself nuts over weeks versus grabbing a cable tomorrow after work
[00:37:11] clever: kormoc: you have to change the software you put into the micro controlr
[00:37:25] Dagmar: So I'm waiting for the part where you use the cat, the bathtub, the bowling ball, and forty feet of rubberized track.
[00:37:30] iamlindoro: Tack, As myth has both internal and external programs for changing channel via firewire
[00:38:04] Dagmar: Tack: Someday, clever will grok what an _efficient_ solution is, but until then it's like having the spirit of Rube Goldberg around.
[00:38:04] kormoc: sphery, I know, it's just random garbage brings out the worst in me...
[00:38:19] kormoc: a broken rube goldberg...
[00:38:19] clever: Tack: http://www.obdev.at/products/avrusb/easylogger.html
[00:38:32] kormoc: clever, He can google himself...
[00:38:38] Tack: iamlindoro: so I've seen. If it works (as in my provider has provided me with a STB with firewire enabled), I realize the path of least resistance. But the idea of hacking something together doesn't put me off.
[00:38:53] iamlindoro: Tack, If you *do* decide to hack, for the love of god, listen to nobody here
[00:39:04] sphery: Any way I can tell freenode to change iamlindoro's nick to voice_of_reason ?
[00:39:07] Tack: iamlindoro: I've rapidly come to the same conclusion.
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[00:50:09] Tack: Thanks for the discussion. 'nite all.
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[00:58:02] sphery: strange... in this Lost/Pop-up info episode, I'm noticing a lot of video errors (blinking blocks or pixels--small, anyway--and jumpiness) but only in the pop-up... the picture is otherwise perfect
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[01:05:31] solexious|netbk: does any one have an example db entry for the videometadata table for a movie they could give me?
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[01:07:32] wagnerrp: apollo: pastebin the message you get with your segfault
[01:08:20] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: mythvideo runs off multiple tables, not just videometadata
[01:08:54] apollo: wagnerrp: how verbose do you want it?
[01:09:30] wagnerrp: doesnt matter, theres not a whole lot to log in mythtv-setup
[01:09:35] apollo: http://dpaste.com/71844/
[01:09:38] wagnerrp: especially if you cant even get it started
[01:09:54] wagnerrp: theres no error here
[01:10:09] apollo: oh sorry
[01:10:18] apollo: the next line is just "Segmentation fault"
[01:10:31] apollo: occassionally it spits out "Illegal instruction"
[01:10:36] wagnerrp: no stack trace or anything?
[01:10:49] sphery: Illegal Instruction means it was compiled for a different processor than you're using
[01:10:58] sphery: i.e. you've installed the wrong version
[01:11:07] apollo: hmm
[01:11:09] apollo: with gentoo?
[01:11:24] sphery: you compiled?
[01:11:28] apollo: indeed
[01:11:34] sphery: if so, you broke the compile with cpu/tune/arch flags
[01:11:44] sphery: i.e. you "optimized" it to non-functionality
[01:12:01] apollo: yes. but I am not optimizing much :(
[01:12:28] wagnerrp: i saw someone in here a couple days ago saying the configure script automatically chose '-march=pentiumpro' on an amd64 system
[01:12:54] sphery: your configure line should be /very/ minimal, generally with no --disable-* and only --enable-proc-opts
[01:13:10] sphery: can you pastebin the output of: mythbackend --version
[01:13:15] wagnerrp: yeah... gentoo likes to fill up everything they can on that
[01:13:16] solexious|netbk: wagnerrp, what tables should I be looking at?
[01:13:28] wagnerrp: generally resetting all the defaults
[01:13:59] apollo: there are quite a few options compiled in: http://dpaste.com/71845/
[01:14:05] apollo: defaults?
[01:14:18] apollo: (are they defaults?)
[01:15:02] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: looks like videocast, videocategory, videocountry, videogenre, videometadata, videometadatacast, videometadatacountry, videometadatagenre, filemarkup
[01:15:04] sphery: OK, that doesn't show anything bad
[01:15:40] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: videometadata is the only necessary table
[01:16:02] wagnerrp: the videometadata<whatever> tables are just linking to entries in the video<whatever> tables
[01:16:12] sphery: but I dont' know for sure that things like --cpu or whatever would show up there
[01:16:18] wagnerrp: and filemarkup is an optional place for seektables
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[01:16:38] apollo: I'll poke around the build logs...
[01:16:42] solexious|netbk: wagerrp, aah, ok, I think I will leave my script till I can have a running mythtv box
[01:16:55] solexious|netbk: ooh, a vm!
[01:16:57] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: what does this script do?
[01:17:02] sphery: apollo: do you still have the build dir? If so, can you pastebin config.log?
[01:17:28] apollo: you wouldn't know offhand where gentoo sandboxes things?
[01:17:46] sphery: don't know anything about gentoo, sorry
[01:17:46] solexious|netbk: gets the dvd title from amazon based on the dvd's upc, then searches for it on tmdb and uses that to populate the mythtv db
[01:17:57] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: if you look through the contribs folder, and trac, you can find a couple examples of scripts inserting data into the database
[01:18:04] apollo: sphery: I'll track it down.
[01:18:05] sphery: solexious|netbk: note that tmdb.pl populates the database for you
[01:18:20] sphery: solexious|netbk: oh, wait... maybe not.
[01:18:25] sphery: nvm
[01:18:30] wagnerrp: apollo: /var/tmp/portage
[01:18:48] sphery: solexious|netbk: I gives it to mythvideo or mythweb, which does the populating, I think
[01:19:05] wagnerrp: sphery: yeah, tmdb is a drop in replacement for imdb, which merely returned information on the command line
[01:19:18] sphery: yeah, just forgot how the MV stuff worked.
[01:19:28] sphery: both imdb and tmdb
[01:19:37] solexious|netbk: sphery, yer, I was hoping to make a fully stand alone script
[01:19:50] wagnerrp: check out JAMU (just another metadata utility)
[01:20:11] wagnerrp: thats a (rather large) python example
[01:20:18] wagnerrp: im sure you can find one for perl
[01:20:18] sphery: yeah, with JAMU, your barcode script could simply look up title/change filename
[01:20:27] sphery: then run JAMU on the normal files
[01:20:46] kormoc: qeM32$wdq@%sfqDD
[01:20:51] kormoc: Oh christ... again...
[01:20:55] wagnerrp: does JAMU work with 0.21?
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[01:21:20] ** sphery goes to hack kormoc's system **
[01:21:23] wagnerrp: i know rdv has done a fair bit of manipulation on the python bindings as well
[01:21:40] sphery: yeah, I think it's trunk, only
[01:21:41] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, no, not with .21
[01:21:52] kormoc: I'm gonna have xchat do a replace on all my passwords to something like, 'I was just stupid'
[01:21:56] iamlindoro: relies on my TV ep patch, and a couple of his binding patches
[01:22:14] sphery: kormoc: you're lucky that I forgot that thing we were talking about when I said, "I'll have to remember that for next time kormoc pastes his password in here..."
[01:22:36] wagnerrp: thats a big ass password
[01:22:51] kormoc: Heh, if you get to the box that accepts that password, I'll bow to your skillz
[01:23:41] sphery: yeah, all my skillz are theoretical, as they've never been tested on real computers
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[01:23:44] apollo: found this in the log: http://dpaste.com/71846/
[01:23:49] kormoc: I'm getting sick of apps that don't honor OS X window manager hints...
[01:24:08] sphery: yeah, I mean really, can't they take a hint?
[01:24:16] wagnerrp: disable-dvb... disable-firewire... disable-lirc... thats rather drastic
[01:24:27] kormoc: sounds Gentooish!
[01:24:32] wagnerrp: indeed!
[01:24:41] sphery: apollo: bad things: --enable-mmx --cpu=athlon-xp
[01:24:52] brad2: holy crap, nice password kormoc
[01:24:59] brad2: or at least, it WAS a nice password :)
[01:25:05] kormoc: sphery, I'm too used to OS X's popups taking focus in OS X, when I run x11 apps, popups don't always take focus...
[01:25:09] sphery: the first isn't terribly bad (because it will automatically do that if you compile with --enable-proc-opts, which you /need/ to do--you're not now)
[01:25:22] sphery: but the second is probably the reason for the illegal instruction/broken build
[01:25:38] apollo: sphery: I'll fire off a build without em
[01:25:47] sphery: kormoc: I had to work /very/ hard to get my popups to not take focus
[01:26:02] kormoc: ooh?
[01:26:38] apollo: sphery: so add ---enable-proc-opts get rid of the --cpu specifier?
[01:26:43] sphery: only one i haven't figured out is Firefox... When the stupid find bar disappears, it pops to the front and steals focus--causing me to accidentally do another find in firefox, so when I switch back to the window I'm actually using, firefox's find bar will eventuall disappear causing firefox to pop to the front/take focus, causing me to...
[01:26:50] sphery: well, the rest is pretty predictable
[01:27:12] kormoc: Huh, fair 'nuff
[01:27:28] sphery: apollo: exactly --enable-proc-opts = good, --cpu = bad
[01:27:42] wagnerrp: yeah, no 'enable-proc-opts' over here either... i blame cardoe
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[01:28:08] kormoc: Yeah, he hasn't really updated the builds anytime recently
[01:28:10] sphery: well, then again, it's compiling a --profile build
[01:28:11] kormoc: I need to update mine
[01:28:31] sphery: and /technically/ you shouldn't use --enable-proc-opts if you're doing a build for creating backtraces
[01:28:53] sphery: --profile actually mean --compile-type=profile
[01:29:00] sphery: instead of --compile-type=release
[01:29:03] Dagmar: s/technically/realistically/
[01:29:32] sphery: I recommend doing --compile-type=release --enable-proc-opts and if you decide to create a backtrace some time, then you can recompile
[01:29:50] sphery: you'll actually see a noticeable performance improvement (even over profile, which is fast compared to debug)
[01:31:04] kormoc: wow, a full kernel release to work around one gcc bug... nice...
[01:31:22] sphery: wow
[01:31:32] Dagmar: It's less paperwork
[01:31:39] kormoc: heh
[01:31:50] kormoc: 2.6.30.3's changelog is awesomely short
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[01:33:35] wagnerrp: i need to find up updated ebuild, or figure out how to write them to figure out what is wrong with my current version
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[01:33:56] wagnerrp: since a couple weeks ago, its been failing on my 32-bit machines
[01:34:29] kormoc: the current ~arch one is very broken
[01:34:42] kormoc: I need to fix up mine for the lastest profile changes and I'll give you a url if you'd like
[01:35:15] wagnerrp: ive been using one from back in november just fine until now
[01:35:24] wagnerrp: thats the first problem ive had with it
[01:35:33] kormoc: he changed the eclass base that they all use
[01:35:42] wagnerrp: ah
[01:35:43] kormoc: so it affected all of them
[01:36:12] wagnerrp: yeah, and all my machines use a shared tree that updates nightly
[01:37:35] wagnerrp: so does that mean the mythplugin ebuilds work again?
[01:37:49] kormoc: in theory
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[01:38:37] wagnerrp: i havent actually tried compiling them through portage in maybe 6 months
[01:39:46] wagnerrp: he should really modify the eclass so that trunk builds checkout instead of export subversion
[01:40:31] kormoc: yeah
[01:40:53] wagnerrp: fixes builds, its not so much of a problem
[01:41:02] wagnerrp: but trunk builds should be able to say what revision theyre from
[01:41:36] sphery: he doesn't have a script that pulls the rev and sticks it in the version.sh script?
[01:42:06] wagnerrp: at least not with the version im using
[01:42:07] sphery: er, version.pro
[01:42:12] wagnerrp: it may have changed recently
[01:42:43] sphery: hmmm... I thought after MythBuntu guys gave him the command-line they use to do it (a simple sed, IIRC), he was going to put it in
[01:42:54] kormoc: sphery, it's broken
[01:42:59] sphery: ahhh
[01:43:05] kormoc: it worked for awhile but broke and never fixed
[01:43:41] sphery: just wondering, cause the --version things is not well used enough, so it would be nice if it worked on at least the big 3 distros
[01:44:50] sphery: heh, yeah, looking back at the --version output apollo just posted, it's MythTV Version: exported\nMythTV Branch: \n
[01:45:30] kormoc: sphery, question, is --enable-glx-procaddrarb good to always be set?
[01:46:00] sphery: I think you want to talk to laga about that one
[01:46:17] ** kormoc peers at laga **
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[01:46:31] sphery: IIRC, it was a workaround that allowed MythBuntu to compile such that it would be able to use ATI or nvidia GL
[01:46:51] sphery: there were reports of GL-related issues, but no one confirmed whether they were caused by or related to that switch
[01:46:52] kormoc: yeah, we're always setting it on Gentoo, and I wonder if we should only for ATI cards
[01:47:06] sphery: I don't use it
[01:47:12] kormoc: (Cause we can do that ;)
[01:47:18] sphery: and, anymore, don't even know if recent ati needs it
[01:47:40] sphery: really, if you compile with the drivers for the video card that will be used installed, you shouldn't need it at all
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[01:48:12] sphery: it was a "one driver has support for finding if something is supported and the other doesn't, so make a fake version that's used if the drivers don't have it" kind of thing, I think
[01:48:48] kormoc: ahh, I'm just gonna remove it from my build then
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[01:50:35] sphery: from Mar 16, 2008: sure. so newer glx.h headers are already fine, older headers need to be fixed by the software vendor and package maintainers use --enable-glx-procaddrarb to make sure MythTV works on older and newer drivers
[01:51:18] kormoc: ahh
[01:52:27] sphery: and daniel said: but it's correct not to have glXGetProcAddressARB in newer glx.h headers.. it's just incorrect to have glXGetProcAddress in the headers for old drivers that don't support the function..
[01:52:36] sphery: so, it sounds like it was a workaround for broken drivers...
[01:56:56] wagnerrp: why is the ebuild trying to grab something from 20145...
[01:57:11] wagnerrp: part of the broken eclass thing?
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[02:01:55] wagnerrp: ah, apparently it pulls a zip file now, rather than maintaining a subversion repository... so it was re-downloading all the files for the older ebuilds i had lying around
[02:02:36] wagnerrp: ls
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[02:03:37] kormoc: Yeah, and if it's not found, it'll export
[02:08:50] solexious|netbk:
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[02:09:24] ** kormoc pokes his mac mini **
[02:09:45] kormoc: and it was $750 for the 4 gigs of ram ;)
[02:10:20] solexious|netbk: 4gigs? are you running it as a frontend? and if so do you need 4gigs?
[02:10:32] kormoc: frontend and backend is the plan
[02:10:48] wagnerrp: ...not like you really need 4 for a backend either
[02:10:55] ** solexious|netbk is poking the wiki for recommended hardware **
[02:11:05] kormoc: I'd recommend a mini if you don't mind some oddness
[02:11:51] solexious|netbk:
[02:12:07] kormoc: in the same form factor? doubtful
[02:12:11] wagnerrp: solexious|netbk: there is no 'recommended hardware', because your setup could fall under any number of configurations
[02:12:35] solexious|netbk: + I would rather not give the cash to apple and Microsoft ;)
[02:12:47] wagnerrp: how does a mini compare to say a Shuttle?
[02:12:50] ** kormoc wonders how MS falls under mac mini **
[02:13:01] kormoc: wagnerrp, much smaller and quieter
[02:13:09] kormoc: wagnerrp, the mini is practically silent
[02:13:10] wagnerrp: looks like its about half as tall....
[02:13:13] solexious|netbk: kormoc, they own alot of shares in apple
[02:13:16] wagnerrp: i through those things were taller than that
[02:13:53] iamlindoro: solexious|netbk, check your source, MS liquidated its Apple stock
[02:14:28] solexious|netbk: iamlindoro, you have to spoil one of my good reasons :p
[02:14:41] kormoc: wagnerrp, it's about .5" larger then a cdrom (in length and width) and only a inch and some tall, it's a lot less then half a shuttle
[02:14:47] solexious|netbk: well, im planning to mount the front end onto the back of my tv, so as long as it isnt bigger than a 32" screen im happy
[02:15:08] iamlindoro: Mini is 2 inches tall last I checked
[02:15:33] kormoc: hrm
[02:16:01] kormoc: so it is
[02:16:18] iamlindoro: which is much shorter than any shuttle I've seen
[02:16:23] wagnerrp: 2x6.5x6.5 it seems
[02:16:42] solexious|netbk: and wagnerrp, I had a feeling that would be the answer to recommended hardware ;)
[02:17:12] kormoc: Shuttles seem to be around 12x8x7.5
[02:17:47] wagnerrp: theyve got a 10x7x3, but thats an atom
[02:17:57] wagnerrp: not even an ion
[02:18:24] iamlindoro: Asrock 330 is 3 inches tall IIRC
[02:18:34] iamlindoro: so closish to the mini but still bigger
[02:20:00] kormoc: solexious|netbk, so yes, in short, it's going to be hard to match the mini for the same price point
[02:20:24] solexious|netbk: does the mini have a tv capture card?
[02:20:30] wagnerrp: it has USB
[02:20:33] wagnerrp: so no
[02:20:49] kormoc: but usb capture cards will work (like the HDPVR)
[02:21:29] solexious|netbk: I'm looking for a freeview capture card, and in the future a freesat capture card
[02:21:33] kormoc: usb disk drive, hdpvr, firewire channel changing...
[02:22:03] wagnerrp: although IMO, you miss the whole point of a small, sleek machine if you connect a bunch of extra boxes to it over USB
[02:22:05] elmojo: iamlindoro: i really like the new Graphite changes – the font looks good to
[02:22:11] elmojo: thanks
[02:22:15] iamlindoro: elmojo, np, thanks
[02:22:31] kormoc: wagnerrp, meh, it's three boxes about the same size, and can get hidden
[02:22:31] iamlindoro: They're mostly minor but primarily usability stuff
[02:22:50] wagnerrp: so where is the intake on that thing?
[02:22:57] wagnerrp: i see an exhaust, but no inlet
[02:23:18] solexious|netbk: im using the raid5 on one of my servers for storage, whats "best" for mounting it on my main myth box? samba, nfs, doesnt matter?
[02:23:23] kormoc: wagnerrp, under it
[02:23:32] iamlindoro: hopefully the buttonlist autosize thing will make it in before .22... otherwise I'll have to seriously rethink the menus
[02:23:34] kormoc: solexious|netbk, nfs/doesn't matter
[02:23:45] solexious|netbk: kormoc, thanks
[02:24:00] wagnerrp: backends (for now) need file system access to record
[02:24:04] sphery: I haven't tried this doesn't matter network file system... Will have to check it out
[02:24:08] wagnerrp: but frontends need nothing for recordings
[02:24:17] wagnerrp: and in trunk, need nothing for mythvideo either
[02:24:25] iamlindoro: sphery, Haven't tried TDM? Where have you been?
[02:24:35] kormoc: sphery, when you don't care, doesn't matter is the selection for ya!
[02:24:44] sphery: heh
[02:24:54] sphery: well, with slogans like that, who could resist
[02:27:46] solexious|netbk: wagnerrp, how come they need access, that could be a pain
[02:28:04] wagnerrp: they need to record to the file system
[02:28:17] wagnerrp: current limitation of myth protocol
[02:28:25] wagnerrp: file transfers are pull only, no pushing
[02:29:34] solexious|netbk: ok, I allways thought that if you mount a remote smb to a local folder it was all the same to what was accessing it
[02:30:52] wagnerrp: mounting a samba share gives you file system access
[02:31:00] wagnerrp: what are you asking specifically?
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[02:34:20] solexious|netbk: sorry, from what you said i thought using storage over the network would not work
[02:34:49] wagnerrp: backends must have file system access
[02:35:08] wagnerrp: frontends can pull the files over mythprotocol from the backend, and do not need file system access
[02:35:56] wagnerrp: currently, that is only available for recordings
[02:36:12] wagnerrp: any files you have in use by various plugins need file system access
[02:37:21] solexious|netbk: and does mounting a network share give or not give file system access?
[02:38:30] wagnerrp: yes, that counts as file system access
[02:39:43] solexious|netbk: Thanks :) I understand now
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[02:53:11] kormoc: enable-symbol-visibility is still 'broken' right?
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[02:59:47] gbee: kormoc: works just fine here?
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[03:00:22] kormoc: Is there any benefit in using it?
[03:01:15] solexious|netbk: any one know how fast usb sticks die? thinking of having the os of my myth backend/frontend running on it to keep the noise down
[03:02:31] mchou: usb sticks are great
[03:03:01] mchou: just make sure your /tmp and /var/log etc is using tmpfs
[03:03:36] mchou: then you wont have to worry at all about "limited" life
[03:05:06] gbee: kormoc: that I can't say, it should use less memory but memory is cheap and I'm really not sure just how much less we're really talking, it's not a dramatic amount
[03:05:33] gbee: maybe you can do a comparison
[03:05:39] solexious|netbk: mchou, thanks
[03:05:56] kormoc: gbee, will try! thanks :)
[03:06:20] gbee: binaries should be a little smaller
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[03:09:40] levander: I'm looking for QAM tuners for my myth box. People are complaining the Hauppage HVR 1250 doesn't have a hardware encoder. But, I don't need one if I just use it for digital television do I?
[03:10:12] iamlindoro: levander, that's correct
[03:10:38] iamlindoro: levander, a couple of us have HVR-1250s (self included), they work nicely for digital-only needs
[03:10:47] levander: iamlindoro: You ain't seen a page with recommendations have you? Hate doing all this work myself. I know it's been done 1,000 times before.
[03:11:10] levander: What I want is just a dual-QAM card with nothing else on it. But, it doesn't seem to exist.
[03:11:44] iamlindoro: HDHomeRun is dual and network attached, the HVR-2250 is dual digital and dual analog, with the digital side having experimental support right now
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[03:12:58] levander: Just looked. Two 1250's is apparently less than one 2250, and with the 2250 being only experimentally supported..
[03:13:22] iamlindoro: if two cards are eligible, you should say you want a dual QAM card :)
[03:13:28] iamlindoro: two 1250s would be fine
[03:14:06] levander: HDHR is even more than a 2250 apparently. And, I'd rather hvae something that fits inside the box (not a bunch of devices around). So, it looks like the closest thing to what I want is 2 1250's.
[03:14:17] levander: iamlindoro: Thanks.
[03:14:21] iamlindoro: np
[03:16:03] wagnerrp: levander: the general idea for the HDHR is that it is network attached, so you can put it wherever it makes the most sense in your house
[03:16:10] wagnerrp: such as in the attic, right next to your antenna
[03:16:29] levander: Ah, I see. Interesting.
[03:16:44] levander: But, the most sense for me is right next to the TV. Since, I have cable.
[03:16:45] wagnerrp: rather than having to put your whole machine up there
[03:16:54] wagnerrp: or run a long signal line down to your computer
[03:17:12] levander: If you've got an antenna, I could see that being really useful.
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[04:20:29] ozatomic: I've setup my mythtv backend with a analog tv card and it finds it all good. But how can i scan channels for it
[04:20:38] ozatomic: when scanning cahnnels it seems to be scanning dvb cahnnels and not analog
[04:21:48] crankharder: any reason why mfe insists on showing up behind my gnome desktop panels?
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[04:22:54] Shadow_X: hello everybody
[04:23:46] GreyFoxx: crankharder: the FE has no concept of gnome. It just says "Hey I want a window of X/y dimensions in a/b location on the screen" and leaves it up to the WM to kept the windows in proper order
[04:24:39] crankharder: k, thanks
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[04:25:32] Shadow_X: btw J-e-f-f-A i tried the mac .21-fixes fe and it works perfectly fine
[04:26:57] sphery: ozatomic: are you in North America? If so, you don't scan.
[04:27:10] sphery: ozatomic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[04:29:51] wagnerrp: sphery: join message says australia
[04:30:14] sphery: heh, didn't think to look there
[04:30:19] ozatomic: :)
[04:30:25] ozatomic: yeah australia
[04:30:44] sphery: don't know whether you should scan or use your listings source in .au
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[04:36:24] wagnerrp: well i had been getting an ASM error in the h264 decoder
[04:36:33] wagnerrp: i fixed that, only to get an even more confusing error
[04:36:52] wagnerrp: make: *** [sub-libs-make_default-ordered] Error 2
[04:36:58] wagnerrp: make failed backing out of the directories
[04:37:08] wagnerrp: it wasnt a compiler error, its an actually make error
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[04:38:41] Shadow_M: hmm so what do you do then
[04:38:59] wagnerrp: i continue not using those two machines
[04:39:18] wagnerrp: actually... i should try making them manually, rather than through portage
[04:42:55] Shadow_M: what is portage
[04:43:01] iamlindoro: gentoo packaging
[04:43:07] Shadow_M: ah ok
[04:43:13] Shadow_M: and now i know
[04:43:59] wagnerrp: and knowing is half the battle
[04:44:09] Shadow_M: gi joe
[04:44:14] Shadow_M: save the day
[04:45:00] kormoc: wagnerrp, what plugins do you use? And are you using -trunk?
[04:45:58] wagnerrp: video is the only one im actually using
[04:46:10] wagnerrp: but i have music, movies, news, weather, browser installed
[04:46:33] wagnerrp: all built manually, havent managed to get compiling them through portage working
[04:46:41] wagnerrp: (havent really tried either)
[04:47:11] kormoc: I just updated my overlay, video, music, and weather are the only plugins working right now, but the rest is happy HEAD
[04:47:18] wagnerrp: last time i tried maybe 6 months ago, the plugins eclass didnt understand the '0.22_alpha<number' formatting
[04:48:21] sphery: kormoc: not getting errors above that?
[04:48:25] sphery: er, wagnerrp ^^^
[04:48:48] sphery: like maybe errors that are followed by non-errors because you have make -j <number greater than 1>
[04:48:53] wagnerrp: oh... nevermind
[04:49:03] wagnerrp: there was that same h264 ASM error
[04:49:23] wagnerrp: but it was a half dozen commands up, some '-j2' funkiness or something
[04:49:40] wagnerrp: window had scrolled enough i didnt see the error
[04:50:31] wagnerrp: anyway, there was some mention of similar issues in the ffmpeg lists a while back
[04:51:05] wagnerrp: saying '-fPIC -DPIC' should fix it
[04:51:11] wagnerrp: but it hasnt seemed to
[04:52:37] wagnerrp: probably because my changes to the ebuild dont seem to have worked and applied those....
[04:54:53] kormoc: if you're changing it above the very end of the configure section, the strip-flags will remove them
[04:55:06] kormoc: add them after that command
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[05:06:26] wagnerrp: stupid woot tracker
[05:06:52] wagnerrp: right as a game locks up, and takes my desktop with it, i get a message on my phone
[05:07:25] wagnerrp: phillips 52" 1080p LCD, $1
[05:07:28] Shadow_M: what game
[05:07:48] Shadow_M: wait how does woot work
[05:07:52] wagnerrp: so i curse the game for crashing my desktop at such an inopportune moment
[05:07:58] wagnerrp: run downstairs to a functional computer
[05:08:07] wagnerrp: get on woot, and its like $1200
[05:08:37] wagnerrp: 1 item/day
[05:08:42] wagnerrp: it sells until it has sold out
[05:09:24] kormoc: hehe
[05:11:39] wagnerrp: i dont even know where i would put a 52" tv
[05:12:01] kormoc: for $1, I'd find places...
[05:12:07] wagnerrp: it would piss my dad off
[05:12:22] wagnerrp: if we had a 52" tv, we would use said 52" tv
[05:12:50] wagnerrp: which means our current entertainment center (a big huge wooden cabinet) was getting replaced
[05:13:16] wagnerrp: and oh! now we have to get new furniture to match the new entertainment center, or whatever we got to hold the other components
[05:13:33] ** kormoc wonders how old wagnerrp is **
[05:13:37] wagnerrp: suddenly this giant $1 + s/h TV is costing us five grand
[05:13:50] wagnerrp: 23
[05:14:02] kormoc: fair 'nuff
[05:14:23] kormoc: would have figured you'd have your own area, but whatever :)
[05:14:39] wagnerrp: yeah, thats what they keep saying
[05:14:48] wagnerrp: finish up your masters, get a job, move out....
[05:15:55] Shadow_M: :)
[05:16:39] Shadow_M: so the price goes up as more and more people buy it
[05:16:49] wagnerrp: huh?
[05:17:01] Shadow_M: on woot
[05:17:20] wagnerrp: no, it was always $1200... the tracker screwed up
[05:17:37] Shadow_M: ah ok i was gonna say
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[05:35:30] wagnerrp: well moving the config options later didnt change anything
[05:35:36] wagnerrp: im trying a manual compile
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[06:20:01] ** xris has finally joined the world of HD. **
[06:20:06] xris: gbee: gimme some themes!  ;)
[06:20:13] kormoc: terra and graphite!
[06:20:19] xris: links?
[06:20:43] xris: even normal mythtv looks pretty good at 1920x1080
[06:20:51] wagnerrp: svn, the_mailing_list
[06:21:50] kormoc: http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz
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[06:22:19] wagnerrp: terra comes with trunk
[06:24:51] xris: stupid tarball without a parent dir.
[06:25:58] xris: so it does.  :)
[06:26:42] xris: not that I can do much with myth without audio.. the PC input needs a standard headphone jack connector rather than the more traditional rca-style jacks.
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[06:29:35] kormoc: Radioshack sells them (and is right next to your bus stop)
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[08:14:31] uncategorized: when someone is connected via mythweb, does the mythbackend see itself as idle?
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[09:13:27] juski: ahh monday morning. what a load
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[09:49:07] laga: juski: yep :P
[09:50:26] Steel__: Good Morning to all
[09:51:33] juski: oo. boss is off this week
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[10:59:53] AndyCap: heh, the EIT data is full of fail. Putting The Family Guy in the Kids category?
[11:01:18] juski: LOL
[11:01:32] juski: sack the EIT monkeys
[11:01:43] AndyCap: Heh, wish I could
[11:01:50] juski: it's animated, therefore only for kids, right?
[11:02:05] juski: christ, by that token, South Park is a kids' show too
[11:02:18] AndyCap: lemme check. :)
[11:02:35] juski: annoys me when The Simpsons gets awards for 'best kids show'. FFS
[11:02:39] AndyCap: and urotsukidoji is probably for kids too
[11:02:55] juski: urowho now?
[11:03:26] AndyCap: oh yeah: South Park is also in the kids category. WTF?
[11:03:32] juski: EIT data categories are pissed
[11:03:44] juski: they might aswell just have ONE. TV SHOW
[11:04:06] AndyCap: I'm sure they'd manage to cock that one up too
[11:04:40] juski: some of them are crazy. Show/gameshow .. erm..which one is it?
[11:05:18] juski: I turn off category colouring in the EPG. There's too many to know the colours by heart anyway
[11:05:27] jduggan: lol
[11:05:53] gbee: I still find the colouring of films useful, but that's about it
[11:06:47] juski: I prefer canned searches for that
[11:07:34] AndyCap: btw. does myth default to original airdate = 2000 if there isn't one set or did they screw that up too?
[11:08:04] juski: original airdate winds up as the epoch if not set
[11:08:07] juski: IIRC
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[11:08:16] juski: so not 2000 :)
[11:08:17] AndyCap: i.e. 1970?
[11:08:22] AndyCap: heh. ok
[11:08:36] AndyCap: and why 2000? who thought this up.
[11:08:54] juski: sounds like the guessy monkey operator
[11:09:01] AndyCap: anyhow, the PVR has series recording so that data must be hiding in there somewhere
[11:09:03] juski: dunno, put 2000. nobody'll notice
[11:09:24] AndyCap: or maybe they just assumed that seried son't move.
[11:09:26] juski: how the hell should I know what category it is? Oh,it's a cartoon. KID show then
[11:09:27] AndyCap: don't..
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[11:09:59] AndyCap: juski: which makes it a good thing nobody airs hentai here.
[11:10:25] juski: heh
[11:10:37] juski: channel 4 used to over here
[11:10:42] jduggan: does ct100 connect to lnb with regular f-plug
[11:10:43] jduggan: ?
[11:10:55] juski: jduggan: yup
[11:11:05] jduggan: kkk, just checking
[11:11:12] jduggan: :)
[11:11:17] AndyCap: jduggan: google couldn't answer it? :P
[11:11:47] jduggan: AndyCap: google doesnt always get the right answer, lots of guff out there... i know who the smart guys here are that i'd trust
[11:11:48] juski: fit waterproof boot, strip cable, fit connector. Screw connector in place. Push boot over connector. Wrap it all up with self-amalgamating tape
[11:11:50] jduggan: :P
[11:11:55] jduggan: and im stickign to that story
[11:12:13] AndyCap: jduggan: hehe, just that I wouldn't wait one day to find out. :P
[11:12:31] jduggan: i was pretty sure it was f-plug
[11:12:50] juski: AndyCap: too many blog posts with 'facts' out there for google to find :P
[11:12:50] jduggan:
[11:12:54] jduggan: frmo ebay
[11:13:19] juski: reminds me I still need to fix the clutch on my chainsaw
[11:13:21] AndyCap: but that's just one end of the connector right? you can't stick anything else into the lnb
[11:13:34] AndyCap: iirc you get both crimp and screw f-connectors
[11:13:46] jduggan: AndyCap: twist on connectors i have
[11:13:47] juski: unused LNB sockets must also be waterproofed
[11:13:48] AndyCap: and that's the end you're really asking about?
[11:14:15] jduggan: juski: i'll bear that in mind
[11:14:28] jduggan: i'll onlyl be using one for now
[11:14:37] juski: unless all the sockets are underneath some kind of weatherproof cover...
[11:14:46] juski: they'll prolly come capped anyway
[11:14:54] AndyCap: on a related note. are F-connectors any better than IEC connector?
[11:15:09] juski: AndyCap: better retention IMHO
[11:15:26] juski: those 'Belling Lee'coax connectors are shite
[11:15:29] AndyCap: but for signal loss?
[11:15:55] juski: purely academic if the socket/plug is as slack as a prozzer's chuff
[11:16:04] jduggan: lol
[11:16:07] AndyCap: :P
[11:16:31] juski: assuming a good fit, there's nothing between them in terms of spec really
[11:16:34] AndyCap: since I'll have to redo the cabling anyway with the arrival of DVB-C
[11:16:42] AndyCap: and probably find an amp
[11:16:46] juski: I'd use F connectors FWIW
[11:18:17] juski: manufacturers should phase out those UK UHF connectors IMHO
[11:18:33] AndyCap: what are they? two prong? :P
[11:18:37] juski: nah
[11:19:03] juski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug
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[11:19:49] AndyCap: ah, yes, that's what I meant by IEC, I think
[11:19:49] juski: heh apparently it's not matched to the impedance of the cable
[11:20:42] juski: funny,I just assumed it was
[11:21:00] juski: since every catalogue I've ever seen em in says 75R
[11:21:13] AndyCap: impedance, schmipedance
[11:21:23] juski: not that wiki is necessarily right of course.
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[11:21:31] jduggan: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-QUAD-LNB-SKY- . . . 293:1|294:50
[11:21:42] jduggan: thats the dish/lnb ive just ordered
[11:21:47] jduggan: doesnt say a brand, hope its not too shite
[11:22:25] juski: I'll be getting a 60cm dish when I buy one
[11:23:28] jduggan: well i intended originally on 60cm
[11:23:42] jduggan: but this is the first time venturing into dvb-s
[11:23:49] jduggan: so 20quid isnt too much to spend
[11:24:22] jduggan: if i have issues with weather etc and i find i'll continue using it, i'll probably get a bigger disk
[11:24:25] jduggan: dish*
[11:24:38] juski: I'm not looking fwd to aligning a dish for dvb-s
[11:24:55] juski: with analogue it was a piece of cacke
[11:25:25] juski: well, kinda. dragging a telly into the garden was a piece of cake
[11:25:38] AndyCap: juski: meh, it's not hard at all
[11:25:56] juski: laptop, ssh'd into the backend running femon.. at the top of a ladder? meh
[11:25:59] AndyCap: laptop with szap?
[11:26:05] gbee: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LINUX-FORMAT-111-Nov-08 . . . UK_Magazines
[11:26:08] AndyCap: or femon, yeah
[11:27:03] juski: oh that utterly made up LF article. I remember that
[11:27:04] gbee: juski: it's still fiddly, but invest in a sat finder
[11:27:22] jduggan: juski: heh, i'll be on my own doing this.. it'll be on a ladder but not high up.. im hoping i can line it up in the same direction as my neighbors and it'll work??? :\, i'll probably borrow someone's sky box though, to see signal strength etc
[11:27:27] gbee: audible tone + meter
[11:27:28] jduggan: otherwise i'll have to pay for a finder heh
[11:28:00] juski: if I put the dish where the old one was I could have the laptop inside & use a f'ing big font
[11:28:08] gbee: jduggan: if it's out by even half a cm you'll probably know about it
[11:28:14] juski: it's right next to an upstairs window :)
[11:28:20] AndyCap: fiddly? wth, and a 43cm dish you barely have to point it upwards.
[11:28:35] jduggan: i had to re-adjust my mothers dish... it was in an awful location, if her neighbour opened the upstairs window it was in the line of sight and she lost signal
[11:28:40] juski: aiming for analogue was tricky but at least you could see a flash onscreen when it hit the beam
[11:28:52] jduggan: i didnt use any tools, just fiddled with it until i was happy with the sky signal readings
[11:29:04] gbee: sat finder's going on ebay for £4, free postage – or pick one up at Maplin for £10
[11:29:05] juski: jduggan: yeah but you have to hit the beam first
[11:29:12] jduggan: juski: true
[11:29:50] gbee: jduggan: up and down the ladder, or you had someone to relay the values?
[11:30:12] jduggan:
[11:30:23] jduggan: gbee: relay the values
[11:30:35] gbee: well £10 when I bought mine, I've no idea what current prices are
[11:31:07] jduggan: i think it helped i didnt adjust it on the bracket, i unscrewed teh bracket itself from wall and raised it about a meter, directly above
[11:31:18] jduggan: so it didnt need to much
[11:31:29] jduggan: too*
[11:31:34] AndyCap: of course it does help knowing the general compass heading and having the elevation correct.
[11:31:36] gbee: AndyCap: if you just want a signal sure, a great signal isn't easy to get by shear luck though
[11:32:22] AndyCap: not with the cheapo satfinder either. :P
[11:34:40] gbee: cheapo satfinder is a helluva lot easier than doing it blind, I found the signal would drop 10db if I was a couple mm out in any direction
[11:35:07] jduggan: crazy
[11:35:09] AndyCap: yeah, doing it blind I wouldn't recommend. :P
[11:35:38] jduggan: maybe i could find someone who has a sat finder
[11:35:38] jduggan: :P
[11:35:40] gbee: anyway, that's my advice, take it or leave it :)
[11:36:41] juski: oh bollocks, my ffmpeg dvb radio export script is still way too verbose & is inflating the log like no tomorrow
[11:37:24] gbee: oh and just be aware that a good signal on one frequency doesn't necessarily mean it's good on all others, better to get the highest signal possible to improve the chances of all round good reception
[11:37:36] WildCaterpillar: woohoo, i just finished a nice preshutdown script....if any file is being downloaded from mythweb or if apache served any page in the last 5 min, then we won't shutdown
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[11:38:28] gbee: and avoid Satelco cards, since they generate interference on the exact frequency used by BBC HD
[11:38:42] AndyCap: yeah, should check all teh transponders you want to use
[11:38:59] AndyCap: dang multi satellite constellations. :P
[11:39:20] jduggan: i'll probably test bbc HD, just for the wow factor.. but my frontend isnt HD capable
[11:39:36] jduggan: so HD isnt an issue
[11:40:04] jduggan: and until there's more worth watching on HD, available i wont bother
[11:40:22] jduggan: +on freesat
[11:40:43] juski: ahh I just needed -v 0
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[12:13:21] juski: jduggan: HD on freeview isn't gonna be worth bothering with IMHO, so freesat it is :)
[12:13:48] juski: not that there'll be any dvb-t2 tuner cards on the market when it launches
[12:15:23] gbee: stoth: dvb-t2 cards on the horizon?
[12:18:47] gbee: jduggan: looks like Maplin have bumped the price for the sat finder to £14.99
[12:19:17] gbee: no great surprise, all sat related kit has gone up in price due to demand for Freesat
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[13:33:26] anykey_: those satelco cards are shitty anyways, I exchanged mine with a Technisat HD2, now I can get a clear picture on all channels... unfortunately the driver is now crap
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[13:40:16] AndyCap: anykey_: which driver?
[13:43:28] gbee: I'd sell my Satelco on ebay but I'd feel bad about selling something so crap to some poor unsuspecting sod
[13:43:58] anykey_: AndyCap: mantis
[13:44:01] AndyCap: gbee: you could advertise it as crap. I'm sure somebody would buy it still
[13:44:08] AndyCap: anykey_: haha. me too. :(
[13:44:40] anykey_: gbee: the same satelco card for dvb-c has problems with frequencies around 600mhz, they don't think its a problem though. It even happens on windows.
[13:44:55] AndyCap: O_o
[13:45:18] anykey_: gbee: I don't know how they managed to do that: the KNC1 TV station card (the satelco is a clone) works perfectly
[13:46:51] ddettman: does anyone know a good site that describes tv interference patterns? My new myth box has something slightly wrong with the picture, and I would like to do better than "wavey lines" to describe the issue.
[13:47:42] juski: lol
[13:48:40] juski: bet your life it's a ground loop
[13:49:06] juski: your cable feed and/or PC is improperly grounded
[13:49:08] AndyCap: ddettman: video camera?
[13:50:38] AndyCap: oooh. http://www.kyes.com/antenna/interference/tvibook.html
[13:50:53] AndyCap: Do you hear static, or a constant buzzing sound like bacon frying?
[13:50:56] AndyCap: baconz!
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[13:53:10] sid3windr: anykey_: aha!
[13:53:17] sid3windr: I have a dvb-c card which can't tune a specific freq
[13:53:20] sid3windr: (satelco)
[13:53:36] AndyCap: sid3windr: you're not supposed to be watching that channel
[13:54:05] sid3windr: it's one of the few that's not crypted here :[
[13:54:14] sid3windr: but I can't tune the transponder
[13:54:26] ddettman: thanks for the suggestions. good starting points, I think ground loop is a likely suspect. The TV and PC are on different AC circuits.
[13:54:27] sid3windr: on that subject, my pvr500/150's also cannot see a specific frequency on linux
[13:54:30] sid3windr: while they can do on windows
[13:54:41] sid3windr: I just get very bad signal quality on linux or even no image at all
[13:54:43] sid3windr: 2 channels :[
[13:55:33] juski: ddettman: bingo
[13:59:31] anykey_: sid3windr: can't help you, the other card works just fine
[13:59:40] anykey_: juski: if it's a ground loop, why would another card work?
[14:00:23] AndyCap: ddettman has the ground loop, anykey_ has the dud card.
[14:05:48] gbee: heh the "normal TV reception" image in that interference guide is awful
[14:06:37] gbee: probably has a lot to do with it being a gif, but even then the colour range is poor
[14:07:43] juski: NTSC source :P
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[14:08:16] gbee: would someone please tell Yeechang that we already have two different skip bindings
[14:08:43] ** juski sends the boys with baseball bats **
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[14:54:03] sphery: gbee: Yeah, can't believe he didn't let it go after Paul's e-mail.
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[14:55:38] gbee: Paul's email?
[14:56:31] gbee: see emails from you, Dibblah and kormoc, nothing from Paul?
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[14:56:50] sphery: Er, Dibblah's... Sorry. Gotta read those From lines better.  :)
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[14:59:09] sphery: gbee: BTW, I was looking at a script I wrote a while back that could be used to put Deleted/LiveTV recording info in the backend status page's Miscellaneous Status Info section, and it had info on the Watched (but not Deleted/LiveTV) recordings. Think that would be useful on the backend status page/frontend status box?
[14:59:52] sphery: It would basically say, "You've watched <this much space> of recordings that you haven't yet marked to allow auto-expire."
[15:00:14] sphery: don't know whether that would be annoying for people who archive stuff
[15:00:18] clever: i have it set to re-record anything that expires
[15:00:31] clever: so it can reclaim space, but return the episode to me later on
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[15:01:11] clever: dont like it when it deletes stuff i wanted to watch and doesnt return them later
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[15:02:14] gbee: sphery: maybe, it's not something I would use but people like stats generally
[15:03:09] clever: i recently fried my mythconverg partition, so ive got ~78gig of recordings shoved into a /broken/ directory, so its alot easyer to see how many gig i have left to watch
[15:03:26] sphery: gbee: cool... I may add it when fixing up the frontend status box.
[15:03:28] gbee: generally I delete stuff as soon as I've watched it, except what I plan to archive or just save to re-watch at a later date/someone else to watch
[15:03:35] clever: pvmove went nuts and didnt do things write, so sector 0 of 1 partitions got fried
[15:03:43] clever: 2 partitions*
[15:03:46] sphery: Yeah, I always watch and delete (I don't archive).
[15:04:18] gbee: but I leave auto-expire on all the same most of the time, because I'd sooner delete something I've watched than miss out on a new recording
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[15:13:55] sphery: heh, YL somehow read: "http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 390235" and decided that the guy wants to keep the Up/Down keys doing 10minute jumps???
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[15:18:28] sphery: ah, he says the guy wants to keep pgup/pgdown... potentially
[15:18:39] sphery: but I think that guy--like YL--just forgot about seek (left/right)
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[15:22:25] sphery: Anyone know the HVR-4000? Its analog support isn't from an analog frame grabber, is it?
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[15:25:44] elmojo: clever: thanks for reminding me to add a cron job to backup mythconverg to another drive
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[15:26:18] clever: elmojo: i used a month old backup that was made durring a schema update
[15:26:25] elmojo: sphery: the mythconverg_*.pl scripts rock!
[15:26:26] clever: which turned up in the recording drive
[15:26:43] elmojo: clever: good to hear
[15:26:53] clever: but that left 78gig of recordings missing
[15:27:01] iamlindoro: sphery: Looks like
[15:27:04] iamlindoro: sphery: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4000
[15:27:22] iamlindoro: sphery: No encoder mentioned in the components
[15:27:22] ** gbee likes exact seeks **
[15:27:36] sphery: elmojo: glad they're working for you...
[15:27:54] sphery: elmojo: if I make the time, there should be some nice improvements to the channel fixing (xmltvid and more) stuff
[15:28:08] gbee: might as well increase skip to 1 minute, jump to 10 minutes and get what he wants with a single press
[15:28:41] sphery: gbee: yeah that works, too
[15:29:01] sphery: I just assumed he might have had seek's set to some smaller value
[15:29:16] sphery: but this way, he can figure out that if he only knew of the one, he'd get exactly what he wants by doing that
[15:29:23] sphery: iamlindoro: ok...
[15:29:37] sphery: was hoping we could just send the analog channel scanning guy on -dev list to -users
[15:30:01] elmojo: sphery: that would be great especially for people like me who have to manually set xmltvids manually for QAM channels
[15:30:15] sphery: after all, there's barely room for another thread on -dev, what with all the brokenned (nay, major design flaw) of the channel scanner/mythfilldatabase/... ;)
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[15:30:19] iamlindoro: sphery: Trying to scan analog w/ that hardware is the most monumental waste of a card I've ever seen
[15:30:23] sphery: brokenness
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[15:30:52] sphery: iamlindoro: yeah, IMHO, using the analog in that card is a monumental waste (as is using any frame grabber :)
[15:31:05] iamlindoro: indeed
[15:31:26] sphery: elmojo: yeah, that's the idea--make it easy to do a Delete all video sources for everyone so people will just do it right
[15:31:48] sphery: instead of trying to save themselves a few minutes and costing hours of extra effort
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[15:32:44] sphery: wow... reading the Why MythTV didn't handle the UK Freeview lineup change thread is a challenge--what with the OP's completely broken MUA
[15:33:29] laga: and their completely broken attitude
[15:33:30] sphery: Guess a certain fruity mail program has no concept of References/In-Reply-To
[15:33:36] sphery: heh, yeah, that too
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[15:34:20] sphery: how can /anyone/ make a mail program today that sends messages without References/In-Reply-To headers
[15:40:50] sphery: mythfilldatabase to "sync up the database"????
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[15:42:03] sphery: we should change the name of mythfilldatabase to mythgetxmltvorsdlistingsandnothingelse
[15:43:34] iamlindoro: sphery: Yes
[15:43:45] iamlindoro: sphery: I am sick of having that argument with every single person
[15:44:13] sphery: gbee: seems you're not supposed to fix any more bugs/take ownership of any more tickets... score!
[15:44:14] gbee: mythfetchlistings
[15:44:35] sphery: yeah, saying "database" in there makes people think it does all sorts of magical stuff
[15:44:50] laga: well, it used to
[15:44:58] sphery: true, but hasn't for a /long/ time
[15:45:04] gbee: sphery: yeah, I'm taking my forced retirement gracefully with a generous pension, thinking of taking up golf
[15:45:04] sphery: and, really, all it did was delete old garbage
[15:45:12] sphery: it never did anything magical
[15:45:30] sphery: gbee: nice... except for the golf part :)
[15:46:33] sphery: funny part is he didn't realize that stuarta and gbee are different people--I mean, stuarta wears glasses and gbee doesn't, so they /couldn't/ be the same person
[15:46:53] sphery: (that was a Superman reference--I really don't know who wears glasses)
[15:47:39] sphery: gbee: However, being compared to Ulrich Drepper is quite the compliment of your programming skills.
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[15:51:13] gbee: I let that pass, but it was unfair to Ulrich ;)
[15:52:35] gbee: fwiw I wear contacts, stuarta doesn't wear glasses, or hasn't the times I met him
[15:52:45] sphery: heh... You're too modest. I'd say that if you made 2 bins of programmers, you and he would be in a different one than I.
[15:52:50] iamlindoro: gbee: Changing the name has the added benefit of breaking all the cronjobs of the people who should be letting the listings source choose the next run time :)
[15:53:25] ** iamlindoro casually wonders if it might also be an opportune time to relabel "Video Sources" "Listing Sources" **
[15:53:28] sphery: gbee: that would make for a good modern Superman... Clark Kent wears contacts, but Superman doesn't, so obviously, they're different people..  :)
[15:53:41] iamlindoro: or "Television Lineups"
[15:53:46] sphery: iamlindoro: right :)
[15:53:55] gbee: iamlindoro: aye, and invalidating all the hundreds of outdated howtos and archived mailing list posts
[15:54:13] sphery: and breaking the command-lines that people are using
[15:54:37] sphery: and--my favorite--the "smartfill" script
[15:54:58] sphery: that upsets me--if for no other reason--because it implies that mythfilldatabase's defaults are not smart\
[15:55:14] gbee: iamlindoro: Lineups is closer IMHO, I always struggled with "Listings Sources" it's better than Video Sources but still inaccurate
[15:55:27] iamlindoro: gbee: Yeah, I agree
[15:55:31] sphery: I /still/ think smartfill should be deleted/removed from SVN and--if in fact the mfdb defaults are wrong--mfdb should be fixed to be "smart"
[15:55:55] sphery: yeah, not listings sources
[15:56:13] sphery: I don't care if it's changed as long as it's still accurate :)
[15:56:28] iamlindoro: s/still//
[15:56:45] sphery: video sources is accurate--even if not descriptive :)
[15:56:53] iamlindoro: I disagree
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[15:57:09] sphery: I guess you could say it's not accurate if you allow non-video input (DVB radio), but I ignore that
[15:58:28] iamlindoro: It's vague enough to be inaccurate depending on how you think of it
[15:58:49] sphery: ok, agreed it's vague, but that--IMHO--is why we can say it's accurate
[15:59:02] iamlindoro: As Video Sources are to some people "Comcast"/"Satellite"/etc., and to others, "Coax"/"VCR"/"Playstation"
[15:59:17] sphery: Though the big problem with using the word "Lineup" in there is that people will think that has relation to SD's use of the term Lineup (and it doesn't)
[15:59:49] meshe: Video Sources sounds like a source for video, not listings
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[15:59:59] iamlindoro: exactly
[16:00:04] sphery: meshe: it /is/ a source for video
[16:00:16] meshe: how does schedules direct send me video?
[16:00:25] iamlindoro: Whatever it is, it should concretely establish that you are setting up listing information
[16:00:25] sphery: that we /also/ need a source of listings for that source for video does not mean video source only implies listings
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[16:00:44] sphery: but it's possible to have multiple lineups that use the same listings source
[16:00:49] gbee: sphery: yeah guess I meant to say confusing or ambiguous rather than innaccurate
[16:00:54] sphery: s/lineups/video sources/
[16:01:05] sphery: definitely confusing
[16:01:21] sphery: but a video source is just a logical name for a list of channels available on an input
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[16:01:40] sphery: a video source generally also needs a source of listings (thoughs some don't--EIT only or No Grabber)
[16:01:45] iamlindoro: sphery: I think that in this case, you may be being a bit disingenuous
[16:01:58] ** meshe highlights sphery's word *list* **
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[16:02:09] sphery: how so?
[16:02:20] meshe: 12:01 <+sphery> but a video source is just a logical name for a list of channels available on an input
[16:02:26] iamlindoro: sphery: The fact of the matter is that "Television Listings" is a *lot* closer to the average persons understanding of what that step in setup does than "Video Sources"
[16:02:32] gbee: maybe we need to rethink mythtv-setup entirely, forget arguing over the name and start from scratch on the setup experience
[16:02:36] meshe: it really has nothing to do with video at that screen
[16:02:46] sphery: gbee: that's probably not a bad idea
[16:02:54] iamlindoro: gbee: ++++++++++++++++ ^10x9999999
[16:02:59] meshe: hehe
[16:03:12] iamlindoro: gbee: I have always thought that a single wizard-style setup would be vastly better
[16:03:12] ** gbee watches iamlindoro overflow **
[16:03:32] meshe: what would be nice is a pluggable wizard system
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[16:03:59] ** meshe ponders that idea **
[16:04:05] iamlindoro: something with a short narrative explaining each step in plain english
[16:04:14] ** meshe nods **
[16:04:28] iamlindoro: more than just a 50 word help text, that is
[16:04:34] sphery: fortunately, it seems that a large number of users will never have to worry about mythtv-setup--as it seems that a huge number of users on F11 and other "new" distros are getting segfaults every time they try to run it :)
[16:04:45] iamlindoro: but something, dare I say it, MCE or Tivo initial setup style
[16:04:56] iamlindoro: sphery: heh
[16:05:18] iamlindoro: That idea would be significantly enhanced with card autodetect, too
[16:05:23] ** meshe laughs and appreiciates ubuntu more **
[16:05:27] gbee: iamlindoro: not seen either, but I think we can all imagine the sort of thing that is required
[16:05:43] sphery: iamlindoro: anyway, I'm all for changing the name, as long as we don't change it to something that's an oversimplification
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[16:06:01] sphery: We can't use Channel Groups since that's used in mfe, now
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[16:06:25] sphery: but that's close to what it really is
[16:06:26] ** meshe changes it to "Configure your listings sources (SD, XMLTV, EIT) **
[16:06:32] gbee: autodetection, _sane_ defaults according to user locale, lots of help text and hand holding, lose non-essential settings behind an 'advanced' configuration stage
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[16:06:44] sphery: /and/ mythui!
[16:06:50] iamlindoro: yar!
[16:06:57] sphery: guess we'll have to wait for gbee to do it, then :)
[16:07:00] meshe: gbee: yeah, like vlc's advanced options
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[16:08:45] javatexan: hey guys...vacations are great
[16:09:00] iamlindoro: In other news, sex fun, sky blue
[16:09:24] meshe: looking forward to my vacation, only 4 work weeks to go
[16:09:32] javatexan: woohoo
[16:10:04] meshe: 1 week with the inlaws then 1 week to detox from the inlaws
[16:10:26] javatexan: meshe lol
[16:10:37] javatexan: very true though
[16:10:41] laga: yay :)
[16:10:43] meshe: hey, my husband said it, not me ;)
[16:11:45] sphery: Heh... "database sync" == mythbackend --clearcache
[16:11:59] sphery: i.e. the guy isn't shutting down mythbackend when editing stuff in mythtv-setup (despite the huge warning)
[16:12:22] iamlindoro: mythtv-setup can now shut down the backend itself, right? Maybe we should make it compulsory
[16:12:30] javatexan: I know the ripper in myth must do this or something like it, but whats the "normal" way to concat a bunch of mpeg 2 files together? I keep finding conflicting information online about it. I am on ubuntu....soon to be debian ;)
[16:12:41] iamlindoro: ie "If you press OK, the backend will be shut down and any in-progress recordings will fail."
[16:13:15] sphery: iamlindoro: big problem is when you run mythtv-setup on a separate system... We'd have to create a protocol command that says shut down
[16:13:39] sphery: (which would be a fun thing for mean people to do every time they're on a network)
[16:13:56] sphery: mythtv-setup just does a kill, IIRC
[16:13:56] iamlindoro: sphery: not to mention nothing listening to bring it back *up*
[16:14:03] sphery: heh, true
[16:14:12] sphery: we could make a mythbackenddaemon :)
[16:14:17] iamlindoro: Would be neat to have a "soft reset" in the backend
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[16:14:48] iamlindoro: ie one that reloads settings, triggers --resched, etc.... could avoid needing to shutdown the backend at all then
[16:14:53] meshe: how about "Your settings have been updated, restart mythbackend for changes to take effect"... hmmm, maybe too windows-ish
[16:15:16] javatexan: lol
[16:15:39] iamlindoro: I'm saying it would be great not to need to do so-- ie detect which resources are in use, and defer the reset of those resources (capture cards, etc) until idle
[16:15:56] iamlindoro: sort of a cascade setting reload
[16:16:25] iamlindoro: and if that were possible, you could remove mythtv-setup entirely
[16:16:32] iamlindoro: and just move it into a wizard in the FE
[16:16:40] meshe: it's a good idea, it would add the complexity of making sure those settings aren't interdependant
[16:16:49] sphery: meshe: "Your settings have been updated. Please reboot your system for the settings to take effect. [Reboot now] [Reboot later]" (where, obviously "Reboot later" is grayed out).
[16:16:56] iamlindoro: indeed it would, but the reward is worth it IMO
[16:17:38] ** meshe nominates iamlindoro to create and manage the settings matrix **
[16:17:39] sphery: iamlindoro: but then I can't make a lean/mean mythbackend-only system... I'd have to install mythfrontend, too. That's a waste of like 20MiB of HDD.
[16:18:30] sphery: I wouldn't take on that project... Figuring out which things need reloaded--not to mention how to get rid of the old and replace them with new objects--in such a complex multithreaded app would be way more work than it's worth, IMHO :)
[16:18:42] sphery: I think the restart is a good (enough) way.
[16:18:52] sphery: (though not a reboot)
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[16:19:15] meshe: reboot is sooo windows
[16:19:22] sphery: yeah
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[16:20:02] meshe: 12:20:01 up 325 days, 9:57, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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[16:21:40] iamlindoro: Hmm... best I've got here in the office right now is 151 days... power issues during the winter, UPS's exhausted, no generator
[16:22:23] meshe: that's from a vps i have which is where i run my irssi in a screen session
[16:23:31] sphery: heh, your irssi has better uptime than freenode's servers :)
[16:24:10] iamlindoro: Well that was odd, svn just prompted me to resolve a diff on a blank line
[16:24:31] jams_: iamlindoro- isn't that what the clear_cache command does
[16:24:53] iamlindoro: jams_: Whichnow
[16:24:54] iamlindoro: ?
[16:25:02] jams_: drops any settings cache and forces it to reload from the database when needed
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[16:25:26] iamlindoro: jams_: Oh, I don't know... don't know it/never used it
[16:25:38] sphery: iamlindoro: dos/unix line feeds, likely
[16:26:15] sphery: jams_: clear_cache only clears the settings cache--not card/input/video source/channel info, et. al.
[16:26:22] sphery: er, --clearcache
[16:26:47] gbee: my old firewall had an uptime of 500-something days
[16:27:17] jams_: oh i thought thats what was being discussed..settings cache
[16:27:29] sphery: my router sometimes approaches an up-on-the-shelf time around that long, but never an uptime that long
[16:27:36] jams_: nevermind then
[16:28:30] jduggan: this box i irc from hit 603 days before i was getting page errors and forced a reboot
[16:28:40] jduggan: but its locked away in teh datacenter
[16:28:51] jduggan: my house gets cuts once a month or so heh
[16:29:31] iamlindoro: Have a very small UPS on the Myth stuff, does a nice job of smoothing out the little glitches-- everything else I'm fine losing the power
[16:29:52] iamlindoro: Only really care to have it on the Myth stuff for the sake of all the disks
[16:32:42] meshe: actually, irssi only has 160 days: 12:32 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 160d 0h 33m 5s
[16:32:56] meshe: probably when I moved and quit running my gateway server at home
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[16:35:50] meshe: we had a database server that hit 3 years of uptime before we shut down that data center
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[16:37:11] clever: 13:36:56 up 110 days, 14:43, 2 users, load average: 0.31, 0.35, 0.29
[16:42:37] juski: put the ruler away
[16:43:00] iamlindoro: and the microscope, too
[16:43:26] juski: and btw am I the only person who sees a solution to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/390146  ? Rather than add yet another key binding, why not try to figure a way of making totally customisable key actions? ;-)
[16:43:28] clever: i forget what happened 110 days ago, but alot of the systems are sync'd at that
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[16:52:29] wagnerrp: kormoc: a manual compile worked
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[16:52:47] wagnerrp: so it seems its a problem with the ebuild, setting something in the configure that mythtv doesnt like
[16:52:58] kormoc: wagnerrp, huh, I know my ebuilds work (just compiled head last night)
[16:53:18] wagnerrp: i had 2 x64 machines build off the ebuild fine last night
[16:53:28] wagnerrp: but the two x32 builds failed in the same place
[16:53:38] kormoc: http://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/ If you care to try
[16:53:45] wagnerrp: some ASM code carried over from ffmpeg
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[16:58:19] wagnerrp: looks like you need to update the page to say to use 'http' instead of 'https' for subversion
[16:58:35] kormoc: whoops
[16:58:37] kormoc: yeah...
[16:59:55] wagnerrp: and your ebuild is undigested
[17:00:44] kormoc: hrm
[17:01:00] kormoc: I was sure I did so last night...
[17:01:03] iamlindoro: need more fiber
[17:01:43] wagnerrp: well its running... lets see how this one goes
[17:02:06] iamlindoro: Someone needs to tell Trogod that the wiki is not a blog
[17:02:33] iamlindoro: "I got a kernel crash!" (and created a new wiki page about it!)
[17:02:34] wagnerrp: well its not so bad as long as hes only updating his own user page
[17:02:36] iamlindoro: Who the eff cares?
[17:02:45] iamlindoro: and the dozens of subpages
[17:02:54] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Trogod/System0KernCrash1
[17:06:52] juski: jesus somebody delete all his edits immediately
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[17:10:26] wagnerrp: so now wait a minute...
[17:10:32] wagnerrp: i dont see a kernel crash in here
[17:10:46] wagnerrp: it looks like something started sucking down memory
[17:11:02] wagnerrp: to the point that the kernel started killing off parts of xfce
[17:11:15] juski: mythfilldatabase segfaulted
[17:11:16] juski: meh
[17:11:33] wagnerrp: somehow leaving the XFCE window manager running, but killing the UI
[17:11:52] wagnerrp: so now he just has a blank X session, no way to directly start new programs
[17:11:57] wagnerrp: and that qualifies as unresponsive?
[17:12:19] juski: ubuntu won't close the bug unceremoniously though will they?
[17:12:35] juski: they'll get a crack team right onto it until he has satisfaction
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[17:13:08] kormoc: That's what happens when you have more money then god...
[17:13:21] juski: not like mythtv, whose devs say trac is not a discussion forum & disallow users from whining on a bug tracking database
[17:13:45] iamlindoro: until said users write long diatribes based on their faulty use of the software
[17:13:59] iamlindoro: beginning with "The devs can choose to ignore this if they want"
[17:14:21] iamlindoro: but actually meaning "You'd better not ignore this or I'll subtly imply that I'll fork the code even though I have no idea how it works"
[17:14:49] juski: is it just me or is it always a Brit who comes out with that kind of crap?
[17:15:04] kormoc: juski, there's a reason we dumped your tea into the ocean...
[17:15:09] juski: lol
[17:15:52] juski: I mean yeah I'd love not to have to rescan & faff about with channels when freeview changes its socks but.. jees
[17:16:49] kormoc: Well, anyone who has CFS and then also believes that he's also the intellectual guardian of the species is bound to be a winner...
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[17:17:09] orogor: hi again
[17:17:40] wagnerrp: kormoc: nope, still that same ASM error with cabac.h
[17:17:47] juski: ah one of those made up illnesses. they're cool
[17:18:05] juski: kormoc: that's not how you're sposed to spell weiner
[17:18:11] wagnerrp: did you compile this on any 32-bit systems?
[17:18:17] kormoc: wagnerrp, weird... but fair 'nuff, cause that one is using the recommended flags by default
[17:18:17] orogor: i bought a terratec ht-pci and i can ttuen anything , but everyone else in my building can get dvb-t, peoples at linuxtv tells me it s because internal pc cards are weaker than set top boxes
[17:18:37] kormoc: nah, it was 64 bit, but it's the recommended/default flags rather then the crazy vanilla ones
[17:18:40] juski: orogor: possibly
[17:18:41] orogor: woudl anyone have a suggestion on a better quality card, sensitive enought so i can tune ?
[17:18:59] juski: orogor: do you have anything else attached to the coax cable apart from the tv tuner card?
[17:19:09] orogor: nope
[17:19:14] kormoc: orogor, you can ttune anything eh? that sounds like a good thing?
[17:19:29] iamlindoro: He shares the aerial with the entire building
[17:19:43] wagnerrp: im going to tune down my 'CFLAGS' and see what happens
[17:19:53] kormoc: wagnerrp, we throw them out anyway
[17:19:59] ** juski recommends breaking into the other dwellings & cutting their coax **
[17:19:59] orogor: i meant can t tune anything , escuse me
[17:20:12] ** kormoc recommends a ' in there **
[17:20:25] juski: orogor: try borrowing a set top box & see if that works
[17:20:39] wagnerrp: oh? well it was still using '-O3' and '-march=athlon-xp'
[17:20:42] juski: then you'll have one less unknown :)
[17:20:51] wagnerrp: i guess it was setting those on its own
[17:20:54] kormoc: wagnerrp, ... it shouldn't have been... I stripped them out...
[17:20:55] orogor: :s i dont know em well enought
[17:21:14] juski: like, if you don't know the cable has got the signal, how the hell can you work out if the tuner can pick anything up?
[17:21:32] juski: orogor: DVB-T STBs are way cheap nowadays
[17:21:43] wagnerrp: kormoc: yeah, even with CFLAGS set to '-O 0 -pipe' its still using those two
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[17:21:49] juski: buy a cheapo one from a place with a good return policy :D
[17:21:50] wagnerrp: looks like it sets them internally
[17:21:53] orogor: juski, if i use my older analog tv card i get a very good signal
[17:22:02] juski: orogor: that means nothing
[17:22:18] kormoc: wagnerrp, weird, I was fairly sure we were using -O2
[17:22:27] juski: orogor: digital signals might not necessarily be in the same frequency range as the analogue channels
[17:22:50] juski: so if your cable install was crap, maybe the analogue signals come in ok but the digital ones don't
[17:23:03] orogor: juski, anyhow is there cards recommended over the terratec ht pci?
[17:23:17] juski: I wouldn't buy any crap terratec make
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[17:23:55] juski: hauppauge nova-t are pretty good, I heard
[17:24:07] orogor: good to know because i still have few days to get reimbursed$
[17:24:17] juski: I think my leadtek LR6650 cards are pretty neat
[17:24:37] juski: you could always try & see if an aerial amplifier helps any
[17:24:45] juski: but if you're not getting anything at all, maybe not
[17:24:53] juski: orogor: what are you using to try & tune the digital channels?
[17:24:59] orogor: w_scan
[17:25:06] juski: w_scan?
[17:25:22] orogor: yes, what shoudl i use?
[17:25:37] juski: never even heard of that program
[17:25:50] orogor: commandline stuff
[17:25:58] juski: always use dvb-utils' 'scan'
[17:26:04] juski: *I* do I mean
[17:26:20] juski: so you have to provide it with initial tuning info but SO? Like that's hard!
[17:27:01] orogor: juski, it sthe issue, i heard all french emetor frequency tables are screwed in that package
[17:27:11] juski: ah
[17:27:17] orogor: lot of placer ecommend offsetting the frequencies by some amount
[17:27:27] orogor: 161hz or somethinbg
[17:27:35] juski: 16khz offsets are very common
[17:27:46] juski: or 166khz.. whatever
[17:27:56] juski: we have them in the UK too
[17:28:25] juski: drivers can lie to the tuning app
[17:29:24] juski: so does w_scan totally time out all the time?
[17:29:40] juski: i.e. completely fail to get a lock on anything?
[17:29:45] gbee: dvbscan?
[17:29:54] orogor: it lock but cant get any channekl
[17:30:07] juski: because that might even indicate you've not loaded modules properly, or you're missing firmware
[17:31:23] orogor: thats why i have been in #linuxtv and there s user that seems pretty confident it s the fault of the antenna
[17:33:06] juski: see if you can swap the card, or maybe try an amplifier on the coax
[17:33:34] juski: maybe even try a different coax cable
[17:34:35] juski: if you can get hold of a STB to try, that will pretty much pinpoint the problem to the antenna/feed/outlet or the card itself :)
[17:34:52] juski: at least that way you'll know there's a signal
[17:36:25] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, i am finally getting around to emailing the author of scte scan especially that i have a dta box here that works and updated no problem
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[17:41:35] orogor: juski, also i dont have a tv
[17:42:01] orogor: humm maybe i could use s-video
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[17:46:55] wagnerrp: kormoc: looks like '-enable-proc-opts' is setting '-march=athlon-xp'
[17:47:18] kormoc: fair 'nuff
[17:47:31] wagnerrp: apparently those architectures are not compatible with the ASM code
[17:47:45] kormoc: that's weird, should report it upstream then
[17:47:46] wagnerrp: and i guess the ASM just gets bypassed when you use the default 'pentiumpro'
[17:47:59] ** kormoc nods **
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[18:08:02] laga: juski: you people are awesome: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/255 . . . ml?print=yes
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[18:09:09] kormoc: Mmm... diseased meat...
[18:12:14] iamlindoro: Amusingly, it's still better than normal British cuisine
[18:12:22] SHADOW_V: ouch
[18:12:31] iamlindoro: ;)
[18:12:47] iamlindoro: Leave the poor people to enjoy their sheep lung in peace
[18:12:52] SHADOW_V: awesome DLou got back to me
[18:14:33] laga: i need to play command and conquer *now*. that'd make me incredibly happy
[18:14:35] ** laga goes to stfw **
[18:16:44] laga: oh my god, you can download it for free: http://www.fileplanet.com/55414/0/section/Command-&-Conquer
[18:16:45] SHADOW_V: hmm wouldn't this dump the outcome of the command to the text file ./scte65scan -t 543000000 -vvvvvvvv > email.txt
[18:17:18] kormoc: why isn't it on steam?!?! WHY GOD WHY?!?!?!
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[18:17:41] kormoc: SHADOW_V, it'll dump stdout to the textfile yes, but not stderr
[18:17:47] iamlindoro: kormoc: Because they're trying to be respectful of your paycheck
[18:18:08] iamlindoro: That's a lot of verbose
[18:18:22] laga: kormoc: i don't use steam ;)
[18:18:36] SHADOW_V: oh ok so how do i get everything to go into a text file Dennis Lou told me to do that command and email it to him
[18:18:42] SHADOW_V: so thats what i am doing
[18:18:54] kormoc: change it to &> rather then >
[18:19:04] SHADOW_V: ah ok thanks what is the difference
[18:19:13] SHADOW_V: put everything through?
[18:19:16] kormoc: &> gets stdout and stderr > just gets stdout
[18:19:17] orogor: iamlindoro, here you are
[18:19:28] SHADOW_V: ah ok great thanks kormoc
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[18:21:48] orogor: anyone recommends one of these cards ? http://www.avenir-computer.com/catalogue.php?num=3
[18:22:12] SHADOW_V: i say the dazzle dvd recorder i am sure that will fix your signal problem
[18:22:13] orogor: like under 100€ and i dont need a double tuner
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[18:22:47] orogor: fun
[18:23:15] iamlindoro: WinTV Nova T are well supported
[18:23:25] iamlindoro: and no, don't buy the Dazzle, he was having fun with you
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[18:23:47] orogor: i understood that
[18:23:59] ** SHADOW_V nods **
[18:24:09] orogor: iamlindoro, as you said the tuenr wasn t sensitive enought i thought maybe i d try with another card with amore sensitive tuner
[18:24:45] orogor: so the "normal" nova t pci and not the nova t 500 is enought ?
[18:24:58] iamlindoro: orogor: I said that it was *possible* the tuner required more signal than you have, there's no way for anyone to do anything but guess without being in your apartment
[18:25:02] SHADOW_V: i know the conversation of netbooks have come up here before i was able to get a dell mini 10v with bluetooth 6cell batt for 192
[18:25:20] SHADOW_V: also a buddy of mine got one with the 6cell batt for 200
[18:25:26] SHADOW_V: so if anyone is looking for one
[18:25:33] SHADOW_V: those prices are hard to pass up
[18:25:41] iamlindoro: orogor: Another card could very well be similarly nonfunctional if your signal is split enough times
[18:25:57] orogor: iamlindoro, if the driver is ok , then it must be that
[18:26:32] orogor: or i wouldn t understand why it works for the the other peerosns in the same flat
[18:26:42] gbee: laga: wonder if C&C runs under wine ok, it's funny but I was thinking about playing C&C just a few days ago
[18:26:55] iamlindoro: You live in Antibes, go to the beach instead
[18:27:03] iamlindoro: forget this TV nonsense
[18:27:14] orogor: iamlindoro, i don t bath after 21h
[18:27:19] gbee: actually my memories were actually about Red Alert rather than the original, because that was the version I played multiplayer
[18:27:20] iamlindoro: your loss
[18:27:43] laga: gbee: it's supposed to
[18:27:44] orogor: well say 20h30 now the summer is finishing , as the sunset is starting
[18:27:57] laga: gbee: might need the XP patch
[18:28:26] orogor: iamlindoro, you know antibes?
[18:28:34] iamlindoro: I do indeed
[18:28:57] laga: gbee: i am talking about the original version, though
[18:29:28] orogor: where s my rhum !
[18:29:51] SHADOW_V: gbee, according to this http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sCl . . . &iId=166 its in gold status so it should def be playable
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[18:31:17] gbee: whoo!
[18:31:25] laga: *unzipping*
[18:31:29] laga: the isos, i mean
[18:31:44] gbee: ahem
[18:32:00] iamlindoro: put that thing away
[18:32:09] iamlindoro: your "vob file," I mean
[18:32:37] laga: heh
[18:33:16] juski: orogor: you're from Antibes? Heh my favourite place in France so far
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[18:33:53] juski: I stayed there while working on an IBM project at La Gaude & I've been back there on my holidays
[18:33:55] orogor: maybe because there s no french here
[18:34:21] ** iamlindoro prefers his Aix-en-Provence :) **
[18:34:27] kormoc: If you're French, and you're there, and there's no French there...
[18:34:31] juski: ruh? met plenty of French people, I got to know boat crew people, hotel workers etc
[18:34:31] orogor: i lived 15 years in aix
[18:34:42] ** kormoc ponders this logical inconsistency **
[18:34:55] SHADOW_V: kormoc, dont forget where he is from
[18:35:20] orogor: juski, joking ... but antibes is actually spammed with foreign crew peoples, mostly enlish out of season , and with various tourists in the summer
[18:35:43] juski: I was there for 7 weeks, got a good feel of the flavour I thought
[18:35:56] orogor: and for the new year , the boats are in the carribeans , the tourists are gone and the city is empty
[18:36:03] juski: there are much worse places to spend that amount of time, like Nice for example :)
[18:36:17] orogor: nice is good
[18:36:31] juski: depends what you like :)
[18:36:57] orogor: i get slightly bored of antibes, specially in the winter
[18:36:58] iamlindoro: My family used to have a bakery in Nice
[18:37:11] kormoc: was it a nice bakery?
[18:37:23] orogor: heh
[18:37:27] iamlindoro: It was ;)
[18:38:10] orogor: humm i got some myhtv quircks to solve as well, but i guess nobody here has a freebox
[18:39:39] orogor: iamlindoro, how did you lrent i come from antibes, it s not in my whois, neither int he proxad adress
[18:39:49] orogor: learnt
[18:40:15] iamlindoro: orogor: http://www.avenir-computer.com/catalogue.php?num=3
[18:40:28] iamlindoro: "Contacts" ;)
[18:40:31] orogor: sharp eyes
[18:41:12] gbee: and it says so right at the top too
[18:41:19] orogor: iamlindoro, do you know stuff about bttv ?
[18:41:51] iamlindoro: orogor: No, I have not used a framegrabber type card in a very long time
[18:41:58] iamlindoro: analog makes my head hurt
[18:42:08] wagnerrp: kormoc: heres the weird thing... doing a manual compile with the exact same compile line as portage uses works
[18:42:14] orogor: i got a bttv based card , can t get any sound without the external audio cable , peoples seems to report having sounds passed internally using the oss driver
[18:42:24] kormoc: wagnerrp, different cpu dectection?
[18:42:29] wagnerrp: still athlon-xp
[18:42:37] iamlindoro: orogor: Some cards are capable of it, but (I think) not all
[18:42:39] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:42:41] orogor: i never manager to dso so , afair using the external cable will cause issues in myth
[18:43:01] iamlindoro: The jumper cable should not cause myth issues
[18:43:17] kormoc: orogor, most bttv cards are not capable of getting sound via oss/alsa (and the oss and alsa drivers support different cards)
[18:43:19] iamlindoro: Using a framegrabber with myth is a pretty miserable experience though :)
[18:43:33] orogor: like when you record stuff you also hear the sound
[18:43:35] iamlindoro: orogor: I think you will be *much* happier with DVB-T when you get it working
[18:43:45] iamlindoro: orogor: That is a configuration issue
[18:44:02] iamlindoro: orogor: covered in the MythTV documenation under the heading "Configuring Sound"
[18:44:03] orogor: iamlindoro, i will also get very happy when i ll get the iptv to record multipel channels
[18:44:30] orogor: right now it does weirdo stuff, it fake to record , even to itself , but dont create the file
[18:46:00] orogor: also xmltv grabbers are a bit hellish to setup in mythtv with the freebox
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[18:46:34] iamlindoro: xmltv grabbers seem a bit hellish to set up period
[18:47:01] iamlindoro: one of the myth devs has plans to make huge improvements to the XMLTV setup process for MythTV .23
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[18:47:26] orogor: cool
[18:48:22] orogor: i wish some private compagny would be working on myth , mythtv devs seems a bit lonly compared to some other projects
[18:48:33] laga: sponsor them?
[18:49:04] orogor: i d rather contribute than spnsore
[18:50:13] wagnerrp: Pluto has done some work in the past
[18:50:52] gbee: aww
[18:51:06] wagnerrp: or is it more theyve just had work done
[18:51:17] wagnerrp: i dont know if theyve actually contributed anything back into the main codebase
[18:51:19] gbee: have pluto every submitted back changes?
[18:54:20] iamlindoro: The elephant in the room is still that certain element(s) of the core group don't *want* anyone new/don't want things to change/aren't interested in a large, active dev team
[18:55:01] iamlindoro: One can't deny that there have been numerous people that have come around, written tons of new functionality, watched their patches rot, and moved on
[18:55:07] orogor: thats one of the most annoying in oss
[18:55:13] Dagmar: If I wind up writing a new menu system with Gtk::Perl they're going to have to commit seppuku you know
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[18:57:06] brad2: iamlindoro, why do you think some people don't want a large active dev team?
[18:57:21] SHADOW_V: easier to manage and keep on track>?
[18:57:54] brad2: ahh
[18:58:01] iamlindoro: no
[18:58:11] iamlindoro: It's ego s**t, nothing more
[18:58:31] brad2: it would seem that management of too many resources, would be a good problem to have!
[18:58:55] iamlindoro: That implies that there's management or leadership to begin with
[18:58:59] brad2: iamlindoro: that's unfortunate
[18:59:13] iamlindoro: indeed
[18:59:20] brad2: ahh well, i am unable to contribute anything, so i thankfully take whatever i get.  :)
[19:02:33] orogor: brad2, last time i tweaked myth in 2002 maybe i was hired by a compagny to do so for 3 months, trust me it s not that difficult to do "little things"
[19:03:48] brad2: orogor: I do actually have a goal to be able to contribute at some point. I installed trunk on a test machine this weekend, just to see if i could. So i'm slowly building a knowledge base. Hopefully i can contribute something useful down the road.
[19:03:58] laga: orogor: use punctuation. makes it way easier to parse your sentences
[19:04:00] laga: ;)
[19:04:07] brad2: it's sad that i'm excited about my ability to get trunk going, hahaha.
[19:04:40] orogor: i need a new keybord too ,some keys are stuck on that one
[19:04:57] orogor: the right hand get tied very fast
[19:05:00] orogor: tired
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[19:08:28] kormoc: okay, that just sounded bad
[19:09:01] brad2: haha
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[19:11:38] laga: gbee: C&C works.. after fiddling around a bit
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[19:13:40] juski: laga: ha that Sun story. No intelligent people read that newspaper
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[19:20:45] iamlindoro: Heh, WMC7 still doesn't allow you to hit record on liveTV and make what you've watched a recording
[19:21:54] sphery: iamlindoro: but the real question is would it have properly handled the Virgin 1 -> Virgin +1 lineup change
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[19:26:01] AndyCap: iamlindoro: well. I dunno how they did it. but analog tv looked horrible in WMC7
[19:26:26] AndyCap: but it did make hdmi video and audio work out of the box. :P
[19:26:35] iamlindoro: EngadgetHD has a pretty glowing review of it, but the negatives are pretty glaring to me
[19:27:04] AndyCap: didn't manage to find any dvb-c channels either. :/
[19:27:13] iamlindoro: http://www.theme7mc.com/
[19:27:17] iamlindoro: Very interesting, that
[19:28:08] AndyCap: oh, and while the guide setup was pretty easy, it was also way off. :)
[19:28:13] iamlindoro: Not for the themes, but for the channel icons
[19:28:29] AndyCap: hehe
[19:28:30] iamlindoro: Though now that I look at them, lyngsat still seems to have them beat
[19:29:16] AndyCap: oh, it has no clue about ID3 v2.4 tags (which came out in 2000 or so)
[19:29:42] iamlindoro: AndyCap: Guess I won't be switching any time soon ;)
[19:30:06] wagnerrp: whats the difference between v2.0 and v2.4?
[19:30:12] AndyCap: unicode!
[19:30:31] wagnerrp: ah, because W7 supports some form of v2 in explorer
[19:30:34] AndyCap: so a lot of my albums ended up in unknown artist, unknown album category, which was somewhat unwieldly
[19:30:57] AndyCap: but not groking unicode is pretty fail.
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[19:33:22] juski: effing useless music download services! ARGHH
[19:33:36] AndyCap: which one?
[19:33:51] juski: iTunes, Amazon, HMV, Napster.. you name em they've not got what I want
[19:33:52] ** AndyCap gave emusic the boot last month. **
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[19:34:01] sphery: So, who all switched to eglibc from glibc? Just Debian?
[19:34:26] wagnerrp: hmv?
[19:34:30] sphery: Starting to wonder if the recent spate of "Myth doesn't work on <new distro>" may be related...
[19:34:37] Dagmar: huh?
[19:34:40] juski: they've got tracks, FINE. Do that have remixes of tracks, hell no
[19:34:54] Dagmar: sphey: Why would Debian switch to an _embedded_ version of glibc?
[19:35:03] juski: oh but they have several different copies of the same tracks of slightly different lengths. DUH
[19:35:04] AndyCap: wagnerrp: you know, the dog and the grammophone
[19:35:08] sphery: Dagmar: because they got p/o at Ulrich Drepper's attitute
[19:35:21] sphery: and felt that Drepper was doing things only to help RH
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[19:35:38] juski: sphery: eh? Ego conflicts sour the open source milk again? :-O
[19:35:45] Dagmar: Wow
[19:35:48] Dagmar: Professional
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[19:35:57] juski: bloody humans & their egos
[19:36:13] sphery: Yeah, Ubuntu's next release will be Drepper-less Drake
[19:36:53] sphery: anyway, if it hasn't already hit, I'll bet we have a /ton/ of problems with Myth due to that.
[19:37:33] Dagmar: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5070#c5
[19:37:56] Dagmar: Drepper's fucking wrong, too.
[19:39:09] Dagmar: keltor: Fired at point-blank range, sure
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[19:40:27] juski: lend me that gun. My ISP needs a bullet for piss poor caching
[19:40:57] Dagmar: Get your own.
[19:41:06] juski: oo, what's that you say? You want to access a popular website after $time? Hard luck, sucker
[19:41:26] Dagmar: Two tall boys, some muffler tape, an awl, a can of aqua net white, one catalytic sparker from a gas grill, and some tennis balls aare all you need
[19:45:16] juski: jesus. go to youtube & they've got remixes of stuff all over the place. where the hell do people get them to upload em?
[19:45:42] juski: nope, I want high quality versions though.. besides which I have an actual conscience
[19:45:45] wagnerrp: is that some sort of tennis ball cannon made out of a pair of oversized beer cans?
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[19:47:49] gbee: laga: cool
[19:48:18] gbee: just been writing a letter to my local paper, nice to vent on a subject unrelated to myth
[19:49:28] Dagmar: wagnerrp:s/some sort of/a/;
[19:49:36] gbee: "<juski> laga: ha that Sun story. No intelligent people read that newspaper" << Yet it remains depressingly popular
[19:49:47] juski: myers
[19:50:37] juski: the term 'read' is prolly alien to most buyers of that rag anyway. It has lots of pictures
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[20:08:18] SHADOW_V: hey J-e-f-f-A i was able to test the mac fe
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[20:12:26] laga: gbee: even the music is awesome :)
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[20:14:12] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: How'd it work out for you?
[20:14:29] SHADOW_V: great just like a fe should be
[20:14:40] SHADOW_V: but it was on Gbit lan so i dont know over wireless n
[20:16:56] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: My network is currently both Gbit and 100Mbit – I will have to test it for ya... ;-) I think we may even have her machine connected via wireless-G – don't recall if I ran a network cable for her or not.
[20:17:01] SHADOW_V: it ran faster but its not a fair comparison be/fe amd be-2400 geforce 6150 to a q6600 geforce 6600
[20:17:12] SHADOW_V: ah ok
[20:17:29] J-e-f-f-A: Hers is a C2D 2Ghz IIRC... it's a couple of years old now.
[20:17:37] SHADOW_V: yeah
[20:17:52] SHADOW_V: but it ran fine no issues so i was glad to see that
[20:22:58] J-e-f-f-A: A buddy of min just shelled out about $2300 on a macbook... the thing is amazing though...
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[20:23:59] wagnerrp: or $2300 i should hope so
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[20:32:40] SHADOW_V1: when i have the funds i think i may get a mb or a mbp
[20:32:42] kormoc: on a macbook? not a pro?
[20:33:11] laga: i'd buy a thinkpad t400s
[20:33:28] SHADOW_V1: sorry i like updated designs
[20:33:47] SHADOW_V1: i have an ibm thinkpad 600x that resembles current thinkpads
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[20:37:06] Dagmar: So it has "frustration marks" on the case then?
[20:37:20] Dagmar: Indentations from teeth, staplers, fists, etc
[20:37:31] J-e-f-f-A: It's a MacBook Pro... 2.8GHz – 4GB ram, dual video cards (crazy!)
[20:38:13] gbee: yup, crazy
[20:38:28] kormoc: Yeah, I was so tempted by the dual video cards, but I'm not counting it as a gaming machine beyond point and clicks
[20:38:49] meshe: i remember when $2300 was an above average notebook, but not top of the line
[20:39:09] J-e-f-f-A: meshe: me too... ;-)
[20:39:24] meshe: even with the 9400M it's not a horrible gaming system
[20:40:09] J-e-f-f-A: his has the GeForce 9600M GT with 512MB Gddr3, and a 9400M with 256MB shared DDR3.... nuts...
[20:40:32] meshe: yeah, the one I'm getting only has the 9400M
[20:40:45] kormoc: Yeah, I'm quite happy with the 9400M so far
[20:40:48] SHADOW_V1: yeah the 9600 is decent for gaming
[20:40:54] SHADOW_V1: no super hi res maxed out stuff
[20:40:56] SHADOW_V1: but still fun
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[20:41:52] meshe: i can play lotro on my netbook, so i know it'll run much better on the 13" macbook
[20:41:54] Dagmar: A 9600 should be able to do WoW with everything maxed (excepting 25-man raids)
[20:42:22] Dagmar: meshe: You can probably give up on finding groupmates after DDO gets their F2P thing squared away and working
[20:42:49] Dagmar: I think they're about to snatch up all the rest of the people who aren't either playing WoW or worshipping Gandalf
[20:43:23] meshe: I've already got a character at the level cap, and there's lots of us for raids
[20:43:23] J-e-f-f-A: I just gave my son an 8600GS for his wintel box... much faster than the 6200 he had in there before (and it fried anyways)...  ;-)
[20:43:50] SHADOW_V1: oh yeah 8600 would be way faster
[20:44:02] Dagmar: 8800 GTS FTW
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[20:44:12] SHADOW_V1: dell sent me a replacement laptop for my horrible e1705 it was replaced by a precision m6400
[20:44:21] laga: intel x3100 ftw. ;)
[20:44:26] SHADOW_V1: the quadro 2700 is nice
[20:44:34] Dagmar: Not very suited for gaming tho
[20:44:49] SHADOW_V1: yeah atleast i can still get over 3hrs batt life on it
[20:44:54] meshe: GTX 275 FTW
[20:45:06] iamlindoro: ABC 123 FTW
[20:45:11] Dagmar: God the amount of juice those use is crazy
[20:45:17] iamlindoro: We're doing random letters and numbers, right?  ;)
[20:45:26] laga: iamlindoro: epnis fail
[20:45:33] kormoc: ZZZ 999 FTW!
[20:45:43] laga: err, epenis
[20:45:57] iamlindoro: laga: The only way to win is not to play
[20:46:04] laga: yeah
[20:46:05] meshe: the 275 requires ~ 300W by itself
[20:46:08] kormoc: but then you're lonely and you lose anyway...
[20:46:08] Dagmar: A video card that uses 400W of power all by itself.
[20:46:16] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: I saw a nice Gigabyte motherboard at Micro Center last week – similar in features to your board, but 2x GbLan, and AMD processor – $212 – not bad imho. 10 sata, etc. ;-)
[20:46:32] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: Cool, I'm an Intel man but sounds nice
[20:46:39] kormoc: good man
[20:46:48] wagnerrp: what are you going to do with only 2 lan ports????
[20:46:51] SHADOW_V1: but the micro code
[20:46:59] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[20:47:05] kormoc: what about the microcode?
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[20:47:17] kormoc: The fact that it's updatable and AMD's isn't?
[20:47:23] SHADOW_V1: i dont think they fixed that exploit that has been floating around
[20:47:29] SHADOW_V1: oh it was finally updated
[20:47:37] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: hehe... ;-) I'd just use one for the HDHR's, and the other for the 'real' network. ;-)
[20:47:49] kormoc: Least consumers can update their own microcode on Intel's, can't on AMDs
[20:48:01] Dagmar: Like consumers know what to do with that
[20:48:05] SHADOW_V1: there was an exploit for it for awhile but i am not sure how vulnerable it is
[20:48:13] kormoc: I do! And I consume things!
[20:48:15] wagnerrp: because that 5MB/s is even going to be noticeable on a gigabit network?
[20:48:37] laga: i'd use it for VMs
[20:48:56] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Nah, more so because UDP gets thrown out if there's contention... so that way it won't have a chance to...
[20:49:01] Dagmar: Amazing that you've gone from "Wow these people can't make a CPU that can divide properly" to "Yay we can patch the CPU now!"
[20:49:04] kormoc: I wonder if there's any good 802.11N access points that support DHCP passthough with bonding gigabit...
[20:49:31] kormoc: Dagmar, slightly better then the 'Burns in under 200 milliseconds'
[20:49:58] Dagmar: Fake videos are fake
[20:50:07] kormoc: Real videos are real
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[20:50:13] kormoc: glad we agree
[20:50:21] Dagmar: Lack of replicability == fakeness
[20:50:46] Dagmar: I suppose next we'll celebrate Intel making a chip you can chew on and it'll still work
[20:50:52] kormoc: given how often it's been reproduced and the fact that AMD acknowledged it...
[20:50:56] Dagmar: ...because it's common for users to chew on their CPU.
[20:50:59] kormoc: but hey, it's only reality getting in the way again...
[20:51:10] laga: i fried an amd slot k7 once.
[20:51:35] Dagmar: In the real world, no one but a complete idiot ever puts power into a CPU that doesn't have a heat sink on it.
[20:51:50] ** laga puts on the donkey hat **
[20:51:53] kormoc: but in the real world they do get mounted incorrectly from time to time and then poof
[20:51:56] anykey_: laga: smells really bad ;)
[20:52:24] laga: anykey_: the donkey hat?
[20:53:24] anykey_: laga: the burnt k7
[20:53:24] laga: ah, yeah
[20:53:24] kormoc: We're just two jackasses arguing is all he's saying :)
[20:53:24] Dagmar: personally, I'm fine with the requirement that I be able to correctly assemble a computer.
[20:53:24] ** J-e-f-f-A remembers when CPUs didn't need heatsinks... **
[20:53:24] ** Dagmar remembers Cyrix claiming theirs didn't. **
[20:53:24] clever: J-e-f-f-A: i still have one of those pc's!
[20:53:24] clever: 486SX!
[20:53:24] SHADOW_V: intel overdrive wohoo
[20:53:25] laga: ROTFL
[20:53:26] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: But you had to buy your math coprocessor seperate :)
[20:53:28] kormoc: it's his primary box!
[20:53:29] Dagmar: I wish I still had that product sheet
[20:53:33] Dagmar: It was awesome
[20:54:01] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: hehe... I still have my Amiga 1200 with a 68030 and a 68882 math co-processor... ;-) they both run at 50mhz!
[20:54:04] Dagmar: On one side they had a bar representing the temperature at which an AMD DX2–66 would blow out, in Farenheit
[20:54:05] meshe: upgreade to the DX to get the math coprocessor
[20:54:23] Dagmar: Right next to it, they had a bar representing the temperature the Cyrix DX2–50 operated at
[20:54:26] Dagmar: In Celcius
[20:54:32] Dagmar: ...and it was still slower
[20:54:44] gbee: and 25 additional Mhz
[20:55:14] Dagmar: The only people who might actually believe that illustration would be people so illiterate that they can't recognize numbers
[20:55:27] Dagmar: "Well honey this CPU must be better because the bar is smaller and you see the other one is smoking!"
[20:56:02] J-e-f-f-A: Gee, reminds me... hardnova was setting up the UAE emulator to work from 'mythgame' some time ago... I wonder where he left off with that... (don't see him on here...:-( )
[20:56:51] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: Why would that require anything special to set up?
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[20:57:35] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: I dunno, although on a wintel box it required a bit of 'tweaking' for each game to get the emulation correct...
[20:58:14] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: Presumably you can feed it a profile file of some sort? I'd just make the profile file the "rom"
[20:58:21] iamlindoro: (sort of how ScummVM in MythGame works)
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[20:59:25] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: ttytt, I haven't used UAE on Linux yet – in the winblows world, I just setup profiles for each game, different amounts of ram, sound settings, etc, depending on the game.
[20:59:45] iamlindoro: J-e-f-f-A: Right, but each profile can be stored in a discrete file?
[20:59:51] kormoc: ttytt?
[20:59:55] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: Might have to pass the stuff via command-line flags in the linux version – not sure ^ or a file. ;-)
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[21:00:02] J-e-f-f-A: To Tell You The Truth... ;-)
[21:00:03] iamlindoro: To Tell You the Truth I think
[21:00:05] kormoc: ahh
[21:00:08] J-e-f-f-A: yeah.
[21:00:17] gbee: ah crap, toasted a CD because k3b didn't use the image I selected
[21:00:32] kormoc: slap some jam on it and enjoy?
[21:00:57] J-e-f-f-A: gbee: Wow, I haven't had CD Toast in some time! A TREAT! ;-)
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[21:01:45] laga: nom
[21:01:52] juski: om nom nom
[21:01:56] gbee: heh, dunno where that came from, meant to say coastered
[21:02:05] wagnerrp: i toasted a couple dvds a while back
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[21:02:23] wagnerrp: apparently i dont have the network bandwidth to pump 25MB/s each to two burners
[21:02:38] wagnerrp: and the repeated buffer underruns did not play nice
[21:02:45] SHADOW_V2: i personally have bad burns that trick cd players into high speed rotation then having them shoot out
[21:02:47] SHADOW_V2: :)
[21:03:07] SHADOW_V2: wagnerrp, upgrade your pipes
[21:03:18] AndyCap: SHADOW_V2: I'm sure you could sell those on ebay.
[21:03:32] SHADOW_V2: yeah that was fun
[21:03:38] SHADOW_V2: purely by accident
[21:03:51] SHADOW_V2: running on a win 95 box with a parrallel cd burner
[21:03:59] SHADOW_V2: oh it was bad
[21:04:14] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: I fixed a friend's CD drive once that had a cd disk shatter inside it – parts of the shattered disc shorted the power, shutting the pc off immediately.
[21:04:27] SHADOW_V2: nice
[21:04:28] J-e-f-f-A: I opened the drive up, cleaned up all the bits, and it worked fine...
[21:04:39] SHADOW_V2: good crafsmanship
[21:05:06] clever: next, get a band saw and carefully cut some slots in a disk so it explodes when the drive reach full speed:P
[21:05:08] J-e-f-f-A: ... At the time a CD drive was something like $70, so it made sense to try to fix it...  ;-)
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[21:05:45] SHADOW_V2: J-e-f-f-A, yeah i hear that you ever have a parrallel cd burner
[21:06:04] J-e-f-f-A: Most modern discs are made of a tougher plastic, and are much harder to break/shatter. Heck, you can fold a CD or DVD straight over in most cases now before it 'snaps'...
[21:06:20] SHADOW_V2: J-e-f-f-A, eh i dont know i snap em all the time
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[21:06:37] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: No, but I knew people that did. I had an Amiga, so I had a SCSI burner. ;-)
[21:06:53] SHADOW_V2: fancy pants
[21:06:57] J-e-f-f-A: I had Parallel scanners. ;-)
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[21:07:08] J-e-f-f-A: (Before this fancy USB stuff!)
[21:07:23] kormoc: I had a parallel port burner, used a custom parallel port to scsi adapter
[21:07:24] AndyCap: still crap. :)
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[21:07:54] J-e-f-f-A: I remember my buddy buying an HP 2x CD burner for something like $1200 in 1991 or so... and making all his money back copying CDs for folks... DOH!
[21:08:10] SHADOW_V2: horrible
[21:08:28] kormoc: I also had a Shuttle EPIA parallel port IDE adapter
[21:08:46] kormoc: I got hundreds of K per second off of that sucker
[21:08:49] Dagmar: I remember a client buying a $250 pop tart warmer
[21:09:11] J-e-f-f-A: I'm suprised clever hasn't chimed in here and said he's still running all this stuff... ;-)
[21:09:24] iamlindoro: I remember getting my first CD drive (pre-burners) as part of one of those MPC kits... came with a Sound Blaster and a copy of 7th Guest IIRC
[21:09:25] kormoc: J-e-f-f-A, he can't afford most of it
[21:09:29] Dagmar: It caught her completely by suprise that the cd caddy actually opened once it was inside the NEC 3x burner.
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[21:09:47] meshe: iamlindoro: did the cdrom drive connect through the sound card?
[21:09:49] iamlindoro: It was an oddball design, the whole drive slid out and the top opened like a pizza box
[21:09:51] J-e-f-f-A: My first CD drive was an Apple 2x SCSI – used it on my Amiga. ;-)
[21:09:57] kormoc: iamlindoro, I had one of them!
[21:10:15] iamlindoro: meshe: ISTR (It's been a while) that I got both a controller for it and the sound card as discrete cards
[21:10:35] iamlindoro: meshe: Think the kits that were Pro Audio Spectrum controlled the CD w/ the Sound Card/SCSI combo
[21:10:38] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: i had one of those packs, 4x drive, sound blaster, ultima 8, syndicate, wing commander
[21:10:46] iamlindoro: kormoc: Hehe nice, no?
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[21:10:49] meshe: my first x86 computer had the ide controller on the sound card for the cdrom
[21:10:59] Dagmar: That wasn't an IDE controller.
[21:11:11] Dagmar: CDU55 wasn't IDE.
[21:11:17] kormoc: iamlindoro, heh, took *forever* to load cds, mine would sit there and spin and spin and spin before it would 'mount'
[21:11:17] meshe: yeah, you're right
[21:11:21] meshe: forgot about that
[21:11:44] iamlindoro: kormoc: My favorite CD-ROM pack-in game of all time will always be "Loom"
[21:11:44] kormoc: Ahh... Wing Commander, now that was a space fighter sim
[21:11:49] kormoc: hehe
[21:11:54] J-e-f-f-A: My first x86 was a 486 dx2 66 from work... I had an Amiga, and needed a Pee-Cee for remote access to work. :-(
[21:11:57] kormoc: I loved Loom
[21:12:01] iamlindoro: Wing Commander 1 and 2 rocked
[21:12:13] meshe: forgot the memory address for it and had to go through the addresses one by one until i found it after a reinstall
[21:12:25] ** kormoc pokes Steam... Free Money... just get all the classics... **
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[21:12:50] iamlindoro: I also spent ages w/ the other Sims... Strike Commander, Privateer, etc.
[21:12:54] gbee: first was an Amstrad 286, second was a second hand 486SX
[21:13:02] wagnerrp: it had strike commander too
[21:13:22] iamlindoro: I really liked everything they built on that engine (before they went to all the live-video stuff)
[21:13:58] Dagmar: ...and added Mark Ham mil
[21:14:02] J-e-f-f-A: Now my first computer... ;-) That was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 (a copy of the ZX-81)  ;-)
[21:15:50] J-e-f-f-A: OOh, the motherboard I've been looking at that's $219 at Micro Center is just $179 on newegg... GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P ...
[21:16:10] J-e-f-f-A: ... but I'd need an AM3 cpu and DDR3 memory too... Humm....
[21:16:10] Dagmar: 'zat have USB 3.0?
[21:16:18] J-e-f-f-A: not yet. ;-)
[21:16:26] gbee: ugh, installing this game is going to mean going back to school on Wine
[21:16:33] laga: gbee: C&C?
[21:16:39] J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar: Is 3.0 even out 'in the wild' yet?
[21:16:43] Dagmar: Yep.
[21:16:46] Dagmar: ASUS has a board with it.
[21:16:56] Dagmar: No idea what people are plugging into it, but it's out there.
[21:17:11] J-e-f-f-A: ooh. 5Gbp/s right? It's 'downward' compatible... ;-)
[21:17:44] wagnerrp: per per?
[21:17:46] Dagmar: You might want to not get that Gigabyte board actually unless you plan on buying spendy CPUs for awhile still
[21:17:55] kormoc: P6X58 Premium
[21:18:05] gbee: laga: yeah, running wine directly on install.exe moans about not being able to find setup files and I should run it from the CD, iirc wine will use windows style drive identifiers so that's probably what's required
[21:18:15] laga: gbee: easy one
[21:18:17] laga: wait a second
[21:18:18] gbee: either that, or I'll look for a Loki installer
[21:18:34] gbee: haven't used wine in years
[21:18:43] laga: gbee: ln -s /path/to/iso ~/.wine/dosdevices/d\:\:
[21:19:03] wagnerrp: Dagmar: you can get AM3 chips for as low as $60
[21:19:04] laga: gbee: after you've installed it, use schedutils to disable SMP
[21:19:19] laga: gbee: sorry, schedtool. schedtool -a 0x2 -e wine C\&C95.EXE
[21:19:24] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Dude, that board doesn't support much but Phenoms
[21:19:46] gbee: laga: thanks
[21:19:54] iamlindoro: laga: Simple as that, eh?  ;)
[21:19:55] wagnerrp: Dagmar: the new low end Athlons are nothing more than rebranded Phenoms with two cores disabled
[21:20:03] Dagmar: http://www.gigabyte.us/Support/Motherboard/CP . . . 07#anchor_os
[21:20:06] laga: iamlindoro: totally.
[21:20:16] J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar: Oh, it's been announced, but not released yet... Still nice. Does it have any standard PCI slots?
[21:20:47] iamlindoro: laga: IMO wine has taken some dramatic steps backwards in the last year-- it used to be possible to just run it on *some* things and have it work, everything I have tried lately required tweaks like that just to start... very frustrated with it last time I used it
[21:21:19] laga: iamlindoro: i guess that's just anecdotical evidence. that particular bug seems to have always existed ;)
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[21:21:58] iamlindoro: laga: That particular one may have been-- just saying that my experience has been awful for the past year or so, so little "just works" these days
[21:22:13] laga: iamlindoro: little has ever worked for me :)
[21:22:20] J-e-f-f-A: ... and it's got SATA 6Gb/s... wow...
[21:22:47] kormoc: when calc.exe requires you to disable SMP, you know your SMP code is just wrong...
[21:23:02] laga: calc.exe? who said that?
[21:23:25] kormoc: Heh, last time I tried wine, *everything* including calc.exe required smp to be off
[21:23:28] kormoc: but it's been a few months
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[21:40:41] AndyCap: Heh, mplayer crashes X but mythtv playback works fine
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[21:56:51] gbee: bah, not having much luck with C&C, now X is complaining about GLX errors :(
[21:57:44] laga: gbee: care to paste them? maybe i have seen them
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[21:58:17] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1509391
[21:59:02] laga: never seen that one :(
[21:59:29] laga: are you running amd64?
[21:59:53] gbee: yup
[22:00:56] laga: on nvidia?
[22:01:28] Dagmar: That thing is carping like you don't have the nVidia driver installed/configured
[22:01:41] laga: yeah, prolly missing the 32bit glx libs for nvidia
[22:03:08] gbee: nope, 32bit glx libs installed
[22:03:48] laga: even the right ones? ;)
[22:03:54] gbee: hmm, actually maybe I didn't install them last time around, figured I wasn't actually using them ..
[22:04:08] kormoc: glxinfo?
[22:04:19] laga: kormoc: only useful if glxinfo was 32bit
[22:04:32] gbee: screw it, re-installing the driver means killing X (stupid installer) and I'm not doing that tonight
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[22:05:10] kormoc: laga, I thought most distros had both?
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[22:05:24] laga: the glxinfo binary? not sure
[22:06:03] gbee: kormoc: possibly, I certainly don't have it installed – 32bit repos were disabled until tonight
[22:06:40] ** kormoc wishes there was a standard multibin like multilib **
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[22:20:07] AndyCap: "Fix disabling of XvMC disabled" So what exactly did they do?
[22:20:13] bob1: to be able to use a remote with MythTV, do i need to buy a usb IR receiver?
[22:20:23] bob1: or can i use the receiver on my tuner carD?
[22:20:35] kormoc: depends if there is a driver for it or not (lirc.org)
[22:21:37] meshe: bob1: what card do you have?
[22:21:49] bob1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116015
[22:21:53] bob1: it has the MCE remote
[22:22:03] bob1: im planning on buying it
[22:22:12] bob1: i just need to know beforehand if it will work
[22:23:21] meshe: that one comes with a usb ir receiver (second image in the second row)
[22:24:07] bob1: o, i see
[22:24:51] bob1: and there is one that plugs into the headphone jack?
[22:25:02] meshe: i think it's a MCE USB Philips et al or something similar by the looks of it
[22:25:07] Dagmar: Not one that works
[22:25:41] bob1: this remote i read works
[22:25:50] bob1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote
[22:25:54] Dagmar: Not plugged into the headphone jack it doesn't.
[22:25:59] bob1: o i see
[22:26:00] bob1: ok
[22:26:02] bob1: thank you
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[22:26:30] meshe: bob1: that looks like the receiver/remote that i have, and mine works
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[22:30:07] Dagmar: I think he was really hoping it would work plugged into his headphone jack
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[22:34:08] meshe: very strange
[22:34:42] meshe: if that's the remote/reciver i think it is, it's of the "just works" variety
[22:39:12] kormoc: the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter
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[22:41:02] Dagmar: not... a... headphone... jack...
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[22:41:26] iamlindoro: Um, yes, you *can* do an IR transmitter with a headphone jack
[22:41:38] kormoc: it's a standard headphone plug and jack...
[22:41:43] iamlindoro: there is both a driver for that and schematics on lirc.org
[22:41:59] iamlindoro: and by headphone jack, I mean using the soundcard
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[22:43:35] Dagmar: So, you're telling me that the lead that comes with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116015 is meant to plug into the headphone jack
[22:43:54] Dagmar: Next thing we'll be calling coax "internets cable"
[22:43:56] iamlindoro: Nobody said anything of the sort
[22:44:03] iamlindoro: nor did the original questioner
[22:44:16] iamlindoro: you're just so eager to call him stupid that you are parsing wrong info
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[22:45:15] Dagmar: He was talking about recievers
[22:45:26] iamlindoro: I see *nothing* in his question that implied he thought a USB receiver plugged into a headphone jack-- merely a second question asking if there was one-- to which the answer is *yes*
[22:45:47] Dagmar: So there's a reciever that plugs into a headphone jack.
[22:45:53] Dagmar: ...an output
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[22:46:28] iamlindoro: Dagmar, Your constant attempts to appear better or smarter than others are really tiresome
[22:46:35] Dagmar: I'm doing no such thing.
[22:46:39] iamlindoro: Oh no?
[22:46:41] Dagmar: No.
[22:46:49] Dagmar: I took what he was saying at face value
[22:47:08] iamlindoro: Please, if anyone here feels that Dagmar isn't constantly trying to rip apart everyone, please correct me-- Dagmar, you're not allowed to answer
[22:47:09] Dagmar: I wasn't trying to be pedantic or anything even remotely like it
[22:47:17] iamlindoro: Let's see who comes to your rescue
[22:47:31] iamlindoro: I want to see who will stand up and say you are *not* constantly attacking any and everyone who comes in
[22:47:43] kormoc: All I said was the headphone jack thing was a receiver
[22:47:47] Dagmar: I'd like to see someone otehr than you saying I am
[22:47:56] kormoc: <kormoc> the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter
[22:48:13] kormoc: it's still a headphone style jack on the usb receiver...
[22:48:42] kormoc: Dagmar, you are quite abrasive at times, you knew what I ment and yet you still took it as I was being a idiot and saying it plugged into a sound card...
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[22:51:15] Dagmar: No, I'm saying bob seemed to be under that impression
[22:51:58] kormoc: but he left the channel awhile ago...
[22:52:16] Dagmar: Yes, and then iamlindoro started making accusations
[22:52:37] iamlindoro: "kormoc> the thing that plugs into the headphone jack is a ir transmitter"
[22:52:41] iamlindoro: "<Dagmar> not... a... headphone... jack..."
[22:52:49] iamlindoro: It's not an accusation-- it's a fact-- you were *WRONG*
[22:52:59] Dagmar: It's a 3.5 miniature jack
[22:53:00] iamlindoro: In any sense of the way you look at it
[22:53:09] kormoc: granted, I didn't say it very well, but ...
[22:53:24] iamlindoro: whether you are talking about plugging the transmitter into the USB module, OR a transmitter into the headphone jack
[22:53:33] iamlindoro: BOTH are possible, BOTH are right, *YOU* were wrong
[22:53:39] Dagmar: In the sense *I'm* looking at the headphone jack is the 3.5 miniature jack that is on the front of most cases for _headphones_ to plug into which has it's own volume slider in ALSA
[22:54:07] Dagmar: If you want to bitch you should have said something about it at the time to make sure the guy wasn't really talking about _a headphone jack_
[22:54:09] iamlindoro: Yes, and as I've explained to you a few times now, that exact jack-- NOT a jack shaped or styled like that-- THAT JACK... can take an IR transmitter
[22:54:38] gbee: come on guys, it's enough we have to fight trolls every other night, lets not start in on each other
[22:54:47] Dagmar: ]...and if i'm not mistaken the IR transmitter uses the 2.5 jack
[22:55:23] iamlindoro: You are indeed mistaken as-- again for the second time-- lirc.org has schematics and a driver
[22:55:43] Dagmar: No, you are.
[22:55:54] Dagmar: I've been clear that I'm talking about a _headphone jack_ which is an _output_
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[22:55:57] iamlindoro: But enough of that, someone has to be man enough to be done with this conversation, might as well be me
[22:56:05] Dagmar: ....and specifically that I was under the impression he was talking about a _reciever_
[22:56:11] Shadow_M: my dad can beat up your dad
[22:56:27] Dagmar: Now, if you think LIRC has a URL that shows how to use your headphone output as an IR reciever interface then feel free to cough up a URL
[22:56:32] Dagmar: Otherwise, there's always valium.
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[23:25:12] sgtpepper: guys, a question.... I'm using xmltv and when I set up my box again, I forgot to configure the correct timezone for xmltv, Do I have to erase everything and start again or will it be enough to correct the timezone and re-run mythfilldatabase ?
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[23:32:48] kormoc: sgtpepper, correct the timezone and rerun mythfilldatabase with --refresh-all should do the trick
[23:33:12] sgtpepper: thanks :D
[23:37:11] sphery: sgtpepper: after that, do a --refresh-today
[23:37:22] sphery: --refresh-all doesn't do today, IIRC
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[23:37:40] sphery: but look first to see if today is still off after --refresh-all
[23:38:57] sgtpepper: I wan't to buy like 5 or 6 encoder cards and frontends
[23:39:03] sgtpepper: This is a new way of watching tv
[23:42:32] sphery: heh, that's how it all starts...
[23:43:07] sphery: I started with 1 encoder and 160GB of storage... I've now gotten to 4 digital capture cards and 6.5TB storage.
[23:43:32] sphery: and, of course, went from my old standard-def 27" TV to a much nicer 67" HDTV.
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[23:43:45] superdug: 67" ? LCD ?
[23:44:11] meshe: plasma or DLP i'd guess
[23:44:25] sphery: DLP
[23:44:28] superdug: I didn't think the plasmas went over 62" yet
[23:44:43] sphery: gotta last me til they come out with something better than LCD
[23:44:50] meshe: LED
[23:44:55] kormoc: OLED
[23:44:58] sphery: LED is still LCD
[23:44:58] superdug: I got a 50" plasma ... I'm happy with it
[23:45:05] meshe: go to the store and see, they rock
[23:45:06] sphery: I'm waiting for SED
[23:45:09] sphery: I hate OLED
[23:45:17] superdug: I'm waiting for holograms
[23:45:26] meshe: holodeck
[23:45:31] sphery: I don't want Moriarty running amok in my house!
[23:45:36] meshe: lol
[23:45:48] wagnerrp: who says you need portable holo-emitters?
[23:45:55] ** iamlindoro is on Moriarty right now **
[23:46:06] iamlindoro: root@Moriarty:/usr/share/mythtv/themes/Graphite#
[23:46:21] sphery: and I'll bet it's running amok
[23:46:42] sphery: come now, people, didn't we learn anything from Star Trek: TNG
[23:47:19] ** kormoc learned not to step on the grass on paradise planets **
[23:47:54] sphery: yeah, and don't step on weird plants when you accidentally go back in time after fixing the toaster
[23:48:02] sphery: (oh, wait, that was The Simpsons)
[23:48:27] sphery: But the #1 rule of time travel is...
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[23:50:26] wagnerrp: dont kill the butterfly?
[23:50:41] sphery: I skipped, again, this time to Futurama.
[23:52:04] kormoc: Don't sleep with your grandma?
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[23:52:38] sphery: there it is!
[23:52:58] wagnerrp: is that why he has no delta waves or something?
[23:54:06] kormoc: yup
[23:54:43] Shadow_M: :)
[23:54:58] Shadow_M: i personally liked scooty puff jr
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